1 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:06,240 No such request. The agenda is approved as written. Various correspondents. Does 2 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:10,200 any commissioner have correspondence they'd like to share with the board? 3 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:17,760 I have several. It's been a good week. [snorts] For additional correspondence. 4 00:21:15,679 --> 00:21:20,960 Uh, first of all, I think most of you received a letter from Mr. Jacobs. I 5 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:26,799 don't know if everybody on the board got it, but um just with some information. 6 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:31,840 He wants us to consider a a different property for a jail location. Listed 7 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:36,720 some good reasonings in there. We have looked at that property in the past. Um 8 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,240 when Granger gets more boots on the grounds up here, I think we'll probably 9 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,120 have them look at it again. We've had the same response from a couple 10 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,400 different companies who have looked at it as far as the size not being big 11 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:54,000 enough especially for ancillary buildings and other space but um we're 12 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:59,360 not close-minded about anything. So we will look at that. I think Commissioner 13 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:05,200 Hatfield and I um had an email that was addressed to us about body cams, the 14 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:10,559 usage, the concerns that we were paying a subscription that's not being used 15 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:17,039 used for. also does not feel that the timing is correct for a multi-million 16 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:22,559 dollar jail upgrade um with the safety and also had some comments his concerns 17 00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:27,600 about the sheriff and the taxpayers at this point and where the where the focus 18 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:33,760 was on that. Um, I got another one from Christine Murray, um, who is also in 19 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:39,600 Barry Township, um, and also was concerned about money being spent on the 20 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:42,880 design of the jail and concerned about the political performance. And the last 21 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:47,200 one was about someone who had concerns about the roads and had sent me some 22 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:51,600 photos and I will forward those on to the road commission as well. Anybody 23 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,280 else have anything that they >> I just saw this morning that I saw one 24 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,640 from one of my constituents about the jail expressing concern about us going 25 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:05,480 forward right now. >> Okay. Anything else? 26 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Okay. 27 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,080 Consent agenda. 28 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:15,360 Commissioner Basset, would you like to read the consent agenda for us? 29 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:21,760 » Can do that. Um I make a motion to approve the August 23rd vote. 30 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:25,919 office commissioners meeting minutes >> support 31 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:29,200 » motion by Basset support by Getty for all items listed on the consent agenda. 32 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,039 Discussion is not allowed in a roll call vote is required. All those in favor 33 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,720 vote I and oppose vote nay. Madame clerk would you call the role. 34 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,679 » Basset >> I. 35 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,720 » Colton >> I. 36 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,760 » Can Bell >> I. 37 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:38,720 » Eddie >> I. 38 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,760 » Smeelker >> I. 39 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:40,640 » Tunison >> I. 40 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,840 » Hatfield >> I. 41 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,520 » And Jackson >> I. The consent agenda is approved. We 42 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:49,600 have [clears throat] no presentations this morning. No public hearings this 43 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,720 morning. Items for consideration. The chair would entertain a motion for 44 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:57,480 approval of prepaid invoices in the amount of 5 million2 $24,3569. 45 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,720 » So moved. >> Support. 46 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:07,799 » Motion by Hatfield. Support by Camp Bell for approval of prepaid invoices in the 47 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,799 amount of $5,24,35.69. 48 00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:12,400 Is there discussion? Hearing none. Madam clerk, would you 49 00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:13,360 call the role? >> Colton. 50 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,480 » I. >> Canell. 51 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,360 » I. >> Getty. 52 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,360 » I. >> Smeler. 53 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,400 » I. Tunis >> I 54 00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:19,360 » Basset >> I 55 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,559 » Hatfield >> I 56 00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:23,919 » and Jackson >> I the motion is approved the chair would 57 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:27,799 entertain a motion for approval of claims in the amount of $64,9369 58 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:35,120 » so moved >> support 59 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,279 » motion by Smelker support by Tunis for approval of claims the amount of 60 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:44,480 $64,9369 cents is there discussion 61 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,159 » madam clerk would you call the role >> I 62 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:47,279 » Getty I >> Smaler. 63 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,400 » Hi, >> Tunis. 64 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,360 » Hi, >> Basset. 65 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,240 » I >> Colton. 66 00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:51,200 » Hi, >> Pat. 67 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:55,279 » Hi, >> and Jackson. 68 00:24:52,240 --> 00:25:00,279 » I The motion is approved. Approval of commissioner reimbursement mileage in 69 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,279 the amount of $25,5.72. 70 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:05,840 » So moved. >> Support. 71 00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:10,480 » Motion by Getty, support by Hatfield for approval of commissioner reimbursement 72 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:14,240 mileage in the amount of $255.72. Discussion. 73 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,919 » Madame Clerk, would you call the role? >> Getty. I 74 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,039 » Smoker. >> Hi 75 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,000 » Tunis. >> Hi 76 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,960 » Basset. >> Hi 77 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,159 » Colton. >> Hi 78 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,120 » Campbell. >> I 79 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,240 » Hatfield. >> I 80 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:27,760 » Jackson. >> I The motion is approved. 81 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:31,039 » Next up, Matt Ward. >> No, Matt was here somewhere. 82 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:33,440 » Hiding in the back, lurking in the shadow. 83 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,520 » There you go. [laughter] >> There you go. 84 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:43,279 » Morning, commissioners. I'm here today to talk about a request for a purchase 85 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:47,840 of a multiffactor authentication subscription. So, in our budget last 86 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:51,760 year, we made a request for roughly $36,000 87 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:55,840 uh for the software tool to implement multiffactor authentication across 88 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,760 county systems. And uh turns out that we're going to be able to accomplish 89 00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:04,000 that with a little bit less expenditure than we had originally thought. We can 90 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,679 use a lower tier of the service and still provide the security that we need 91 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,720 to meet all the requirements that we need to. Um but it's not going to cost 92 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:15,080 quite as much. So, we're going to come in at fixed costs of about $19,635 93 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:21,679 and a variable cost uh which is dependent upon 94 00:26:19,878 --> 00:26:26,000 [sighs] some of our users won't have access to mobile devices or things like 95 00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:30,320 that to get the codes on. So, we'll have to buy some hard tokens for them for 96 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:36,960 that. We're estimating that between $1,500 and $2,500. Uh so that comes in 97 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:41,440 about maximum of about $23,000 as opposed to the $36,000 that we requested 98 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:46,720 in our budget. And the piece that Eric asked me to speak about a little bit 99 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:50,640 today is also the MMRA grant. Uh Eric indicated to me just before the meeting 100 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:55,520 that that grant should cover half of up to $30,000. Uh we will apply for that 101 00:26:53,440 --> 00:27:01,279 and hopefully get that and if that's the case, we would apply that to our $19,000 102 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,360 cost and and cover some of the costs there as well. But I'm happy to answer 103 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:10,080 any questions about the underlying technology that you might have. Um, as 104 00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:13,919 far as the grant goes, I we can ask Eric if we have more questions on details for 105 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:17,840 the grant. Um, get some more information for you there if we need. 106 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:22,320 » Can you give the rest for a while? >> Yeah. So, multiffactor authentication is 107 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:26,799 just another way of helping us secure accounts. Um, people are bad at choosing 108 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:30,320 passwords, frankly. Uh, all of us have too many passwords to remember. So we 109 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:35,600 generally try to pick things that we can recall and uh frankly we're not all as 110 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,200 unique as we'd like to believe. So we oftentimes choose things that people 111 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:43,600 have already chosen somewhere else and it's easier to build a list of just 112 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,360 stolen passwords that people are going to attempt to try. Multiffactor 113 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:51,279 authentication is one tool we can use to try to make it more challenging for 114 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,240 someone. It's not just a password that you need from somebody, but you'd also 115 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,399 need to get something that generates a token and steal that as well. So, it 116 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,600 makes it a little bit like having two different keys on two different key 117 00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:04,399 rings for your home. One that you have and one that your wife has. You both 118 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,360 can't get in the house unless you're both there to do it at the same time. 119 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,039 So, it is a little in the same way it's a little less convenient than just one 120 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:14,159 key, but it also makes it harder for anybody else to get in the door as well. 121 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,919 So, >> okay. Training required on this or is it 122 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:21,039 going to be something that we're all pretty much used to using at this point? 123 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:25,840 I think unfortunately we're all pretty much used to using it uh in other areas 124 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:29,919 of of our lives, but we'd be happy to go through it with any of our users that uh 125 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:33,520 have a challenge facing them to get it done. That's kind of what we do. Um but 126 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:40,480 yeah, and it's also a requirement for us from many more of our security audits or 127 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:45,120 other things like lean audits and um you know, the court's offices have uh MDHHS 128 00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:48,880 audits that they're required to go through. They want to see these kind of 129 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:52,320 features inact activated to go ahead and make it more challenging for accounts to 130 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,399 be compromised. >> Is [snorts] that 1920,000 is that a 131 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,919 one-time cost then? >> I wish that it was, but no, it's a 132 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,960 subscriptionbased model. There's nobody that does it as a one-time cost uh for 133 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:10,000 this kind of service. Um it's just it's a subscription that is sort of mandated 134 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,039 for us to have that level of security. So whether we're doing it on the 135 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:18,000 firewalls and paying a firewall vendor, we're doing it with Duo at a operating 136 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:23,039 system level, um almost everybody who offers that kind of functionality offers 137 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:25,440 it as software as a service type model. >> Okay. Is this a three-year contract, 138 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,440 fiveyear contract? >> A single year. So we are in a boat where 139 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,799 if something becomes dramatically cheaper somewhere else, I would be love 140 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,919 I would love to see that happen. I'm not sure that it's going to, but if it does 141 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:40,310 become available to us to use a less costly solution even in a year, we can 142 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,840 go ahead and reexamine that at the time. [clears throat] 143 00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:44,960 » Everything costs money. Everything's going to subscriptionbased. 144 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,480 » Unfortunately, we are seeing it across the board. I was talking to Commissioner 145 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:54,320 Smoker earlier and our computer costs from May of this year to October went up 146 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:58,559 35%. Just for a regular desktop computer that sits on someone's desk for the 147 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:03,279 exact same box. Um, memory costs right now are incredibly high. Storage costs 148 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:07,520 are incredibly high. Um, and all of these software subscription tools 149 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,480 utilize those things in their data centers. So, they're going to pay those 150 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,320 costs and they're kind enough to share them with us. 151 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:19,200 » Plus, they like profit, unfortunately. So, 152 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,520 » sure. Questions from commissioners. >> Commissioner Bassid. 153 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,480 » Thank you. Uh, when will this be implemented? 154 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:28,240 » So, the goal for us is to implement it on a small test number of users. So we 155 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,159 probably get it implemented I would guess within the next 30 days and then 156 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:36,720 everybody else shortly thereafter if we're going to discover a problem we 157 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:41,279 like to you know perform the experiments on oursel as opposed to everybody else 158 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:45,360 first. So uh I don't know that we're going to have all that much trouble with 159 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:49,600 it. It is. I hate to say things like that out loud because that's the fastest 160 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:54,399 way I know of to invite trouble, but um it's it's a feature that we've utilized 161 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:57,919 for our Microsoft Office users for a while and we're just looking to 162 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:02,080 implement it at an operating system level to add some more security. So, 163 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:08,399 » thank you. >> Okay, there are no further questions. 164 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:12,080 The first agenda item is a request for a submission of the grant application MMR 165 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:16,000 to assist in the purchase of the multiffactor authentication software and 166 00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:19,200 authorize the county administrator to sign on behalf of the county. 167 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:23,360 » So move >> support 168 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:27,120 » motion by Colton support by Basset to a for authorize the submission of a grant 169 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:30,240 application MMR to assist in the purchase of multiffactor authentication 170 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,440 software and authorize a county administrator to sign on behalf of the 171 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:38,240 county. Further questions or discussion? 172 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,679 » Madame clerk, would you call the role? >> Smaller. 173 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:40,799 » I. >> Tunis. 174 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:41,840 » I. >> Basset. 175 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,720 » I. >> Colton. 176 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,840 » Hi. >> Campell. 177 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,640 » I. [clears throat] >> Daddy. 178 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,519 » I. >> Catfield. 179 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,679 » Hi. >> And Jackson. 180 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:53,919 » I. The motion is approved. Second part of that is the chair would entertain a 181 00:31:52,399 --> 00:31:59,440 motion for approval of the attached quote from CDW-G 182 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:04,320 for $19,635. U my deal pricing for yearly Cisco Duo 183 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:08,799 advantage multiffactor authentication licensing for 300 users plus additional 184 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:13,919 cost of provising providing physical tokens to a portion of our user base. So 185 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,279 move support [clears throat] >> motion by Tunis, support by Hatfield for 186 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:22,799 approval of the attached quote from CDW-G for $19,635 187 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:27,519 for yearly Cisco Duo Advantage multifactor authentication licensing for 188 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:32,159 300 users plus additional cost for providing physical tokens to a portion 189 00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:34,080 of our user base. Further questions or discussion? 190 00:32:33,887 --> 00:32:36,960 [clears throat] >> Madame clerk, would you call the role? 191 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,640 » Nasset I. >> Colton. 192 00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:39,600 » Campbell. >> I. 193 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,039 » Daddy, >> I. 194 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000 » Smoker. I >> Tunison. 195 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,880 » Hi, >> Gatfield. 196 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,600 » Hi, >> and Jackson. 197 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,799 » I The motion is approved. >> Thank you, Matt. 198 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,799 » You're welcome. 199 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,600 » Okay. Contract with Granger Construction. 200 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,600 Eric, did you want to lead on this? >> Yep. 201 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:23,840 Good morning, Mr. Chair, commissioners. Uh, in your packet is a contract and 202 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,600 addendum with Granger Construction for the 203 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,519 purpose of um construction manager services for the 204 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:36,080 construction of a law enforcement facility for Barry County. 205 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:40,559 This obviously as you all have sat through some long meetings in the past 206 00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:44,880 month um came about as a result of the interview process uh working with Mark 207 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:50,000 Nettleton our county attorney for these type of issues. Um the contract that was 208 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:55,360 proposed by Granger was renewed. Mr. Nettleton also developed an addendum 209 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:59,279 that tackled certain issues not covered by the contract which he says is very 210 00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:04,799 typical in these situations. Um [snorts] both parties uh Mr. Tim, myself and 211 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,879 Granger have uh signed off on the contract. So now it's here for your 212 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:14,879 final approval. Uh what you're being asked today is this contract is two full 213 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:21,520 um it handles pre-construction services, but then there's also a um maximum 214 00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:24,560 um there's a there's a document in there for the maximum price amount when we get 215 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:29,200 to the end of the pro like the end of the pre-construction services. So, it 216 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:35,679 sets in place the whole construction manager process. Uh, what you're what 217 00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:40,159 you're on the hook for if you approve it today is going through the 218 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:46,320 pre-construction phase, which for the Granger U proposal is $96,259. 219 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:51,839 That deals pre-construction, the funding, and final that gets right up to 220 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:57,520 uh deciding whether to go for millage or not. 221 00:34:53,119 --> 00:35:01,280 Um, so and that's and that would be a discussion down the line for where we 222 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:06,079 go. So this would get us going. This would help develop the plan as I've in 223 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:10,240 my two years now here I've heard last time outside of the people as Mr. 224 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:14,240 Osborne quoted that just don't like taxes and we're going to vote against 225 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:17,680 everything. Um, the issues have been shared with me is that we didn't have a 226 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,880 solid plan. We didn't have a solid location. Uh, we didn't have a solid 227 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:25,760 design and cost. So my commitment at the start of this is we will have all those 228 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,040 three issues tackled before we move forward on this. This will get us to 229 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,920 that point where you will have those items in place and you will be able to 230 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:37,200 make a decision about whether you want to move forward and when you want to 231 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:41,280 move forward at that time. Our best estimate at this point is that we would 232 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:45,359 finish um pre-construction services in the first quarter of next year. If we 233 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:50,400 get if you approve this today, they'll get started right away. 234 00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:53,200 Um and the and the architect is ready to roll too. So, everyone's just waiting on 235 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,880 this final approval to start moving forward, working with uh representative 236 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:02,800 the sheriff's office, repres working with administration and the members of 237 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:08,240 your small law enforcement group from the board of commissioners um is the 238 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:11,119 intended process. So, I'm happy to answer any questions you have from that 239 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,079 point. >> Questions from commissioners? 240 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,720 » Mr. Chair, >> Commissioner Colton, C 241 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:22,400 » could you repeat that number for preconstruction services? 242 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:30,160 Pre-construction total $96,259. >> Okay. So, does that get us 243 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:34,480 through a millillage? >> That would get us Yes. 244 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,560 » It would get us through the millillage. >> Yes. 245 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:42,160 » So, if we had a millage and it failed, >> $96,250 246 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,760 $259 is your exposure. >> Would end right there. And then what 247 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:51,040 would you anticipate if we win a millillage or some other 248 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,960 form of funding? What would the total cost if we ever if we go through the 249 00:36:52,880 --> 00:37:01,680 whole process of building a jail? >> The construction manager quote was I 250 00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:06,160 believe 2.3 million total. Um and that was their quote. You'd have the 251 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,760 architect side of that as well. So when we when we were laying it out and this 252 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:14,880 is where some of the confusion was our budget was 30 to 35 million. 30 million 253 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:18,320 construction, 5 million soft soft costs. So your construction manager, your 254 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:23,119 architect, your other in ancillary costs, 255 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:27,599 bond coun, bond council, uh cost to issue bonds, all those type of things. 256 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,520 » So is Aban Marsh considered the architect or 257 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,480 » Yes. >> Okay. 258 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,839 » So that that would be part of that their cost. There would be a separate contract 259 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,800 with them at that point. Right now we have a contract with them to get through 260 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:45,520 this pre-construction phase. I know I worked with uh buildings uh villages at 261 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:50,720 Maple Valley schools and and architect costs were about 5%. 262 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:53,920 The total cost is that in a ballpark? >> It varies but yeah that could be a rough 263 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:58,480 cost at this point. >> Okay. [snorts] Thank you. 264 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,520 » Commissioner Campbell, did you have a question? 265 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:05,200 » I did not. >> Okay. 266 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:08,480 » Additional questions from commissioners. We've gone through a lot of the details 267 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:13,920 on this already. So, it seems like we've spent a lot of time on this and [snorts] 268 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:17,520 um after a couple long meetings, I think Granger 269 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:22,880 » certainly came prepared was a good choice for it. Um, and I think it's a 270 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:28,560 good investment that because of what we're asking them to do, which is take a 271 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:33,119 look at all options, but certainly if we can utilize some of the existing square 272 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:37,920 footage in the existing jail >> that we don't know if that's four, five, 273 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:43,599 6,000 square ft, but if it turns out being 5,000 square ft, that's $5 million 274 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:47,280 of estimated savings that you're putting back in the pocket of the taxpayers. So 275 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:54,320 that's what we're trying to do is look at all options on how to make this a 276 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:57,920 solid project law enforcement center that'll create safer communities that'll 277 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,520 address mental health that'll do a number of things that we can't do right 278 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:06,560 now including the safety of the people that work in the jail um and get us out 279 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:11,520 of a facility that's probably the oldest and one of the most rundown facilities 280 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:15,280 in the state at this point. So it's one of the older things. It's one of the 281 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,800 biggest things that we have not been able to address or haven't been 282 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:25,280 addressed yet that we're willing to take this on. So, but this is a good starting 283 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:28,640 point for a you know for 96,000 you're going to get a real good feel for what 284 00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:31,599 the challenges are, what the opportunities are and what the real 285 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,320 costs are on it and we can make a decision at some point in the first 286 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,480 quarter where we want to go forward with this and how we're going to go forward 287 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:40,880 with it. So, >> uh to me that's key uh Mr. Chair is you 288 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,880 need to start here. you need to get to a point where you know what you're talking 289 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:48,640 about with the final cost design is um you have the final decision to make next 290 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,400 year >> if and you want to move forward with the 291 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:58,480 millillage in 27 if there's another way of doing it um if you want to move to 28 292 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:03,200 those are your decisions that that point as the administrator for the county my 293 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:08,160 recommendation is you need to move ahead because the building's not getting 294 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:12,320 better there needs to be and these issues need to be addressed all The 295 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:16,000 other factors I get, I understand. But from our standpoint is we need we can't 296 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:20,000 leave the liabilities out there for the county. We need to address this and move 297 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:24,640 forward. How we make the final decision on moving forward, 298 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,440 that can be a different approach, two different ways. And now I think all that 299 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:30,960 will come through the pre-construction services. 300 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:35,200 » Yeah. And and I appreciate Mr. Osborne's comments and the other comments we've 301 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:39,839 got from people. Um, and I agree the economy is not in a great place right 302 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:44,240 now with f with food, fuel there. There's a few other things that are 303 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:47,680 obviously weighing on our constituents and our taxpayers. We don't know where 304 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,119 it's going to be in 6 months or a year, but we're certainly going to be 305 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:55,040 cognizant of that moving forward. If the economy is in a worse spot, then we may 306 00:40:52,800 --> 00:41:00,160 very well decide to hold off on this and look at this in 28 versus 27. So, uh, we 307 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,000 need to keep taxpayers at the forefront of our decision-m and we will as we go 308 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:08,400 through this. So, it's not going to be a rush decision. It's been a a very slow, 309 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,359 thoughtful process. I'm glad that we engaged the sheriff with this. He had 310 00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:15,280 some good ideas on what to do with this as far as a facility. So, we need to 311 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:19,440 just kind of mold some of those ideas together with the help of them and and 312 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:24,079 uh as we get the process rolling, hopefully we can um have a part with I 313 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,160 don't know if it'll be monthly or weekly sitdowns with Granger and how this is 314 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,960 going because it's going to need to be tweaked 315 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,760 » certainly as we go through it. So >> that that aspect of the process will be 316 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,200 worked out >> uh after we get I think the first part 317 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,800 of the phase will have a kickoff but then it'll be a lot of granger working 318 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:45,839 with a marsh >> to get things moved forward. It may be 319 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:50,000 bi-weekly it may be I think it'll get more frequent middle of the project 320 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,264 » as we have to make start making decisions. 321 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:56,640 » Well and the challenge of of [clears throat] 322 00:41:54,319 --> 00:42:01,680 building a jail or a jail pod while you have prisoners in the jail. I mean, 323 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,359 there's a few things that we have to we have to really focus on and figure out 324 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:09,040 how to make that work. So, >> and my last comment, then I will step 325 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:13,200 back. I want to be clear, this isn't just a jail. This is a law enforcement 326 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,440 facility. This is if you've been in the facility, the sheriff's department 327 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:24,560 offices are inadequate. Uh, I mean, to me, um, for their administration, for 328 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:28,880 the officers, the sergeants, um, the CEOs, correction officers, I mean, it's 329 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:34,400 inadequate. It's not safe. we need to do something to address these issues for 330 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:37,359 operationally. Um so whether it's whatever version it is, it's just 331 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:40,480 something that needs to be addressed um sooner than later. 332 00:42:40,424 --> 00:42:44,079 [clears throat] >> Yes, I agree, Mr. Chair. 333 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,599 » Commissioner Tennyson. >> Um [clears throat] you know, through 334 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:54,400 this whole process, I mean, when they started out at 4852 million, we're like 335 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:59,200 there's no way this we can even begin to take that to taxpayers, right? We've 336 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:04,400 worked really hard to try to figure out how to get this down to where we think 337 00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:11,119 it's a manageable number, which $30 million from from 52, 338 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:15,760 that's a big big drop, right? And uh as far as timing, I understand, Larry, 339 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:20,319 exactly what you're saying, timing. But when is time? What what is a good time? 340 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:27,359 Okay, you keep kicking this can down the road, it will never be a possibility. 341 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:31,440 Okay. Um because five years from now, three years from now, you won't be 342 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:37,760 talking $30 million. You're gonna be talking back to the $50 million. Okay? 343 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:42,960 So, this has been a problem for 20 years. 344 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:49,040 Okay? We as a board are putting all of our efforts into trying to figure out 345 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:55,119 how to do this and make this better, not only for the employees down there, but 346 00:43:52,160 --> 00:44:01,359 this is is something that's it's falling apart as we speak, okay? And then 347 00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:05,200 someday when the state steps in and says you can no longer house them here, then 348 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:09,200 what are we going to do? we're gonna be forced 349 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:13,680 to do something this way. We have a plan. 350 00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:18,160 Let's try to get everybody on board with this and say, "Okay, include everybody 351 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:23,440 and say, "Hey, how can we get this done?" Okay, but I understand your your 352 00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:27,119 concerns. I know how people are hurting right now, 353 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:32,560 okay? I got a lot of employees that barely get by, okay? And they make a 354 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:38,160 decent wage, but they still struggle. just talked to one of them yesterday 355 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:42,960 about it. So, I understand and we all feel it, too. We all have lives. We all 356 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:48,319 pay bills. We see our insurance rates going through the roof. We see our daily 357 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:52,560 costs going through the roof. But there's not going to be a better 358 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,560 time to try to get this done than right now. Okay? So, that's all I got to say 359 00:44:55,839 --> 00:45:01,440 about it. >> There's a lot more coming. There's a lot 360 00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:03,760 more opportunity. the the plan is not by far is not finalized. 361 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,200 » Yeah. When we started doing the commission on aging building, we're 362 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:12,720 talking like 72 half million 7.5 million. And we by going through that 363 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:19,680 bidding process and getting the contractors all in a room, we saved a 364 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:23,040 lot of money when that process was done. And we'll do the same thing through this 365 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,079 process. >> So, 366 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,040 » absolutely, Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. Now, I have something. 367 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,880 » Now, it came it came back. [laughter] Okay. 368 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:39,920 » Light bulb went off. >> Uh yeah, the whole issue here, all you 369 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:46,400 got to do is walk walk through our jail and look at the uh the the safety issues 370 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:51,280 for our deputies that are there, the uh immense amount of money that we're 371 00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:55,760 paying constantly to try to keep that thing up and and we still have many 372 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:58,560 violations. We we we can't work fast enough to correct the violations over 373 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:04,319 there. So for us to sit here and do nothing, 374 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:08,560 it's just we're just not doing our job. We have to do something. We have to 375 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:13,920 prepare something. And yes, it ends up being a voter decision, but I'm not 376 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:18,560 doing my job if I don't try to do something about what's going on in our 377 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:22,079 law enforcement facility over there. >> Mhm. [clears throat] 378 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:27,119 » Mr. Chair, >> Mr. Colton, 379 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:31,400 » is location still a discussion? Um, you brought up Fred Jacobs letter. 380 00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:36,720 » We feel the best location at this point if we're going to use some of the 381 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:41,680 existing space at the current jail to save taxpayer dollars that that's the 382 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:46,720 best location. But until we get the final program or we get back with them, 383 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:52,480 if they come back and say you can build a new jail and it'd be better to not use 384 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:56,720 that space, then that may open the door to look at other locations as well. But 385 00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:00,160 at this point, that's kind of what we're thinking. But we're not opposed to 386 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,792 looking at anything. There's no closed doors at this point. So, [snorts] 387 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:12,000 » Commissioner Getty. >> So, I agree with everything that's been 388 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:16,720 said and I think it's important to keep in mind that this is bigger than one 389 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:23,200 person or people's opinion about one person. This is about public safety and 390 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:29,119 um and really seizing the moment. So, I encourage everybody um to frame it that 391 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:36,079 way, you know, to keeping our corrections officers safe, to providing 392 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:39,760 um a safe working environment for all of our officers that are out there on the 393 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:48,680 front lines. Um it it's it's really not a referendum 394 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,680 on one person. It's about public safety. 395 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,440 » Okay. There are no additional comments or concerns. 396 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,280 The chair would entertain a motion for approval approval of the proposed 397 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:04,079 contracts and addendum with Granger Construction to form and authorize the 398 00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:06,480 county board chair to sign on behalf of the county. 399 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,240 » So moved. >> Support. 400 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,359 » Motion by Hatfield support by Tunis for approval of the proposed contracts and 401 00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:17,280 addendum with Granger Construction to form an authorized county board chair to 402 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:21,599 sign on behalf of the county. Additional comments or discussion. 403 00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:23,119 Madame clerk, would you call the role? >> Colton 404 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,480 » I. >> Campbo. 405 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,359 » I. >> Daddy. 406 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,319 » I. >> Smilker. 407 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,280 » I. >> Tunison. 408 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,160 » Hi. >> Basset. 409 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,200 » I. >> Hatfield. 410 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,280 » Hi. >> And Jackson. 411 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:37,680 » I. >> The motion is approved. 412 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:43,599 Thank you all. We'll proceed quickly. >> All right. Budget introduction. [sighs] 413 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:48,240 All right. Um, in front of you or in your packet is a proposed budget for 414 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:54,079 2027 uh of approximately [snorts] 415 00:48:49,839 --> 00:49:01,599 23.789 million from expenditures. Um, with revenues of 23.8 million for a 416 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:05,440 surplus proposed surplus of 38,000. Um, that's a little misnomer because there's 417 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:10,480 also $300,000 contingency in here. So, there's really a surplus of $338,000. 418 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,920 Um, I know I threw some of you off when 419 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:16,960 looking at the document this year and I wanted to walk through a little bit on 420 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,880 there. So, if you look at So, if you look open the the budget document, the 421 00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:25,599 first thing you run into is the resolution. Pretty much standard form we 422 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:30,880 use every year. Covers all the issues that we need to address and it um 423 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:35,839 before your next meeting you'll have my transmitt letter which will go into more 424 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:38,480 detail on certain issues. But what I want to start with is the revenue 425 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:43,960 expenditure summary for the general fund. The chart that looks like that. 426 00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:52,640 So 27 requested. Let's start with that uh 427 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:56,079 column. That is the requests as we received them from the departments. I 428 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,960 didn't touch it. I wanted you to see these are all the requests that we got 429 00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:07,680 on the air. It could be new positions. It could be line items um etc. Um so in 430 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:12,160 the requests um if we took the request versus and that includes new positions 431 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:17,520 as well. Um as you see most of that is the rationale for the deficit. There 432 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:20,480 would have been a deficit of $428,000 if I brought it to you and said here's my 433 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,119 recommended budget. Obviously I wouldn't bring you my recommended budget that 434 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,520 way. I wouldn't be here very long if I did. 435 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:31,599 » Um unless there was a very specific reason. Um there are [laughter] a number 436 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,440 of position requests that I will cover when we get deeper into the budget uh 437 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:40,319 discussion. The next column being the 2027 438 00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:44,480 recommended is what you have to consider um today and this is introduction. So 439 00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:49,440 you're really not taking any action on this today. This is introduction review 440 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:53,040 to lead to questions. Um I guess you should have started with that reminder 441 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,880 of the process. Uh your next meeting will be your budget appeals and 442 00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:02,880 finalizing of the budget. for an October 27th public hearing. 443 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:07,839 So, um we will [clears throat] know next week how many appeals we have, if any. 444 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:12,640 Um I could guess a couple um just by 445 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:17,599 knowing the decisions I made or recommendations I made, but um there 446 00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:20,559 shouldn't be a ton, but once again, we'll probably be surprised to have more 447 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:26,720 than a couple. [laughter] Mhm. >> Um and then if you look at 28 and 29 448 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:31,040 again, we carried those requests over. Um so do we really have a million dollar 449 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:35,680 deficit next year? No, we don't. But that's where I'm starting from. So those 450 00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:39,760 are projected wages, projected retirement 451 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:45,359 um requests that we received from certain departments, certain agencies, 452 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:48,559 uh carried over to 28 29. So if you would have start seen where we started 453 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:54,079 last year, we we were in the negative on those as well. So, don't get too excited 454 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,359 about 28 29 right now. Those are future projections. And I could have spent a 455 00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,280 lot of time going through and knocking things down. And I can if that's what 456 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:04,240 you would prefer, but from my rationale, I wanted to show you where we're 457 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:07,760 starting from [snorts] um in future budgets cuz you're not 458 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:12,400 really held to those. The only thing that you're held to is what you approve 459 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:15,599 for 2027 at this point. So, I feel comfortable with the budget 460 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:21,599 we've proposed. So, I think it's it's balanced with and then some with the 461 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:26,559 $338,000 surplus. Um, so I think that's a good time to shift 462 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:32,240 into some of the revenue discussion. Ignore the chart on the next page. 463 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:37,920 If you get into some of the you get more detail than the line items on revenues. 464 00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:42,240 Um, just you can see the line share where we pull our money in. Really, the 465 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:50,480 first line is what you need to look at. 17.2 2 million of our 23.8 million comes 466 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:55,359 from General Mills property taxes. So that is what that is how we provide 467 00:52:53,440 --> 00:53:01,599 our services to the residents of Barry County and the lo local governments in 468 00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:05,440 Barry County. Um if you were in a city Hastings, you look at their budget, it's 469 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,319 a lot more diverse. They have taxes. They have they have a lot more in 470 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,880 revenue sharing relative to what they do. They have fees for services, you um 471 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:17,680 utilities, those things are a lot different than what we do. So, we carry 472 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:22,079 a lot of our uh revenue from just general fund taxes. That being said, we 473 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:28,480 do get about a million and a half from the state in revenue sharing. Um the key 474 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:32,640 is when you get a bulletin from MAC that says, hey, the legislature is looking at 475 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,960 revenue sharing. Cities catch a cold when revenue sharing 476 00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:40,960 gets cut. When revenue sharing gets cut for us, they can cut it all tomorrow. 477 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:44,160 And they have in the past. So if you see that, you need to reach out to your 478 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:48,800 legislators and say, "Hey, look, leave us alone." I mean, we get hit a lot as 479 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:51,200 it is, but that million and a half would be a big hole in our budget cuz they 480 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:57,920 could pull that tomorrow if they wanted to. It's all alleg statutoily set. 481 00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:03,280 Um there are other issues in here, costs, court costs are in charges for 482 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:08,480 services. Um we have a variety of things that we get um from the state you know 483 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:13,760 sharing probate judge part of district court salaries 484 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:18,800 other court related costs. I know one of the questions one of the 485 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:22,240 commissioners had was EMP grant center federal states the first line 486 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:28,079 that's the emergency management planning grant that gets has been just killed for 487 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:30,720 the last three or four years. I think when I I think the first year I was 488 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:35,440 here, I think we might have been closer to 40 and then last year we were this 489 00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:39,839 current year we're at 17 and the next year we're projected to be at nine. So 490 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:45,200 this it's that's money from the feds. The feds just are starting to really cut 491 00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:48,240 that back. Um so that's one thing if you talk to Representative Molinar or any of 492 00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:53,200 our senators might put a bug on their ear. That's so 493 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:56,880 that's we're getting $9,000 projected for supporting Patrick and everything 494 00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,640 he's doing. Um, that's one of the reasons that I need to I didn't propose 495 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,960 one of his positions that he requested. We need to have a long talk on how we do 496 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:09,839 that, but emergency management is very important for what we do at the county. 497 00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:14,720 Um, we need to find a way to continue to support that because we're not getting 498 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:19,520 help from others. Um, the HMP grants are new this year. You 499 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:22,640 just approved that, the $1,500. That's a grant we'll get every year. That's a 500 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:27,040 hazardous materials program, the database that you approved of the 501 00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:30,720 earlier this year. Um, 502 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,880 trying to think what else highlights in there. Those are the big ones for the 503 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:38,880 revenue. There's a ton of charges for services, but a lot of them are small. 504 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:44,559 » You get real estate, the register of deeds has real estate transfer tax and 505 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:48,640 the um clerk has the vital records. There are two big numbers. Recording 506 00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:52,720 fees for the register of deeds. Those are your really big numbers there. Um, 507 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:57,440 copies, record copy fees, 508 00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:01,920 fines and forge for obviously look if you look at those number really small 509 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,720 right in interest. We've actually made a good amount of interest the past few 510 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:10,559 years [snorts] compared to say six years ago when 511 00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:13,280 interest rates were down to nothing. So we're we're making a little bit of money 512 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:17,440 there, but we're also paying a little more than we used to. Um, couple of 513 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,040 areas I wanted to talk about. Revenue, uh, miscellaneous revenue. That really 514 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,480 is what it is. There's a lot of things that go into that. Um, I tend to be a 515 00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:30,319 little more conservative with that number. So, I dropped it 100,000 from 516 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:33,440 where we were, uh, in the current year. Uh, and then transfers. There's a number 517 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:39,280 of transfers that come in. Some of these are done if we don't need them. So, 518 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:44,319 animal shelter donation fund uh, that provides medical and food care for 519 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:48,400 animals. Um we have over a million dollars in that fund right now. So we've 520 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:54,960 been very generous supporters of the animal shelter. Um if we don't spend it, 521 00:56:51,520 --> 00:57:00,400 we don't transfer the whole amount. Um defense, that's uh just a standard 522 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:04,079 amount. Building rehab, if we don't spend the money on those specific things 523 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:08,319 proposed in the budget for those items, we won't spend it. Uh building 524 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:12,559 inspection, if you recall, this is new this year. This also a new expenditure 525 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:17,200 department. you approved a new contract with PCI. That contract has 10% of those 526 00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:21,680 revenues coming back to the county to support our overhead um for the 527 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,280 treasures office. A lot of the work they do, the planning, zoning or community 528 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:32,240 development department. Um that's another get into shortly and then admin. 529 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:35,280 So there are items in there um that we'll get some we'll get some of 530 00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:40,319 that revenue u to support those operations this year. Diverted felons is 531 00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:44,880 another one that helps to pay for court security. If we don't if we don't need 532 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:48,400 the 216,000, we won't transfer it. It's been in the budget the last three years. 533 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:51,760 We haven't transferred it. So that money continues to grow in the diverted felon 534 00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:56,000 funds. Um and the other ones from the vehicle 535 00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,400 fund, it's for maintenance. If we don't spend it again, we won't transfer it. 536 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:03,359 And the umbrella fund. Looking back at the general 537 00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:06,799 expenditures, [clears throat] um you get a little bit more. You don't 538 00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:13,520 get the line items here because this document would be huge if you did. Um 539 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:19,599 you get the general areas that we cover um by function. 540 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:23,680 Again, ignore the cart the chart please. Mandated services run through all of 541 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:28,079 those areas that we are mandated by law to provide. 542 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:34,559 Um obviously jail sheriff's department you see are 543 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:38,640 7.5 million of the 20 you know some million dollar general fund budget we 544 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:43,520 have it's a big number courts are another big number in there 545 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:48,240 uh I intend to when you see the final document have a breakdown by functional 546 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:53,119 area of where we spend our dollars to help support the county 547 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:56,000 non-mandated service level required this format hasn't changed at all so you're 548 00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:01,040 seeing the same format you've seen in has passed. Uh all these are items that 549 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:08,319 we are not mandated to do but we do expect certain um efforts from them. 550 00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:13,040 Legal counsel kind of have to have an attorney unfortunately in these days. Um 551 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:16,640 admin uh animal shelter is something we have 552 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:21,040 chosen to do as a county. Animal control again not mandated but we've chosen to 553 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:26,480 do it so we need to support it. Veterans Affairs is another one that's in there. 554 00:59:24,551 --> 00:59:32,559 [snorts] So that is those general fund items. As you can see, 16 million of the 555 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:37,040 general fund budget is mandated. 5.4 million is nonmandated, but service 556 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:40,559 level is required. And typically those areas where you go, well, we don't 557 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:46,720 really have to do it. Um there's no requirement to do it is the next page. 558 00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:52,000 And $849,000 total, but really of that 300 that's contingency. So $550,000 is 559 00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:57,200 truly non-mandated. There's no service level required. 560 00:59:53,839 --> 01:00:01,040 Um that's so a conservation district money we transferred for parks and wreck 561 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:05,920 and the road commission very small numbers economic development. 562 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:10,880 Uh that's one of the items I wanted to share. They they put a larger request in 563 01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:15,359 this year. Um $277,000 and uh that's one of the areas that you 564 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:21,839 can see a big difference on that I uh I gave them a 5% increase in my proposed 565 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:24,480 budget. So um they gave them a little more. They've been pretty static the 566 01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:28,319 last several years, but I know they've upped their efforts and they've come to 567 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:32,319 the county to ask for additional support. 568 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,680 Uh, and then again, we're we are continuing to fund the half million 569 01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:40,720 dollar extra payment into the retirement fund 570 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:46,480 uh to help get us to we're 100% covered. I believe we're 84% still. Um 571 01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:50,720 but if we get closer to that 100% that's when our requirements drop down lower 572 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:57,520 and we're able to free up some operational cash um for debt service 573 01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:00,880 payments or other things. Uh the bottom of this page is what I really want to 574 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:06,160 talk about new position request. Every year we do give departments opportunity 575 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:10,000 to put a request in and this typically in the past I know is one of the areas 576 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:13,920 where we've seen appeals. Um, as you can see, there were about $45,000 in new 577 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:17,200 requests. [snorts] Two positions from the prosecutor's 578 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:20,559 office. They've asked for new uh new assistant prosecutor and a new legal 579 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:25,680 secretary. [snorts] U Patrick, emergency management has 580 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:30,400 asked for a halftime deputy. Uh right now, Jim uh has been serving as the 581 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:36,240 volunteer deputy like Patrick did before. Um he was the 582 01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:40,079 director. U but Jim's getting older so Patrick's and Patrick is trying to up 583 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:43,119 our game there. So, he is asking for some support there, but it's not 584 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:47,599 something I could recommend yet. The sheriff's department has asked, as their 585 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:51,200 staff is getting older, the correction side of it has asked for an 586 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:54,799 administrative sergeant to help with foyer issues, but also to help training 587 01:01:53,040 --> 01:02:00,480 to be Lieutenant Nevin's replacement when he retires in the next few years. I 588 01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:04,559 see value in it. Um, I just couldn't support the request at this time. U, but 589 01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:09,359 that's one of those things in appeals. I said if you guys would consider 590 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:13,040 um some of your vacant deputy positions kind of a swapping it for a few years 591 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,680 that that would be something that I could get behind. Um so that's up to 592 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:21,760 sheriff's department if they want to come forward to the appeals on that. 593 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:28,400 Uh the three items I did recommend uh two position reclassifications in the 594 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:33,119 courts uh uh $7,000 total for each and then adding eight hours to our code 595 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:39,200 enforcement position um with the soil erosion process is just really been 596 01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:43,920 extremely busy the last few years um and other we're getting a lot more blight 597 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:48,240 requests or asked to issue address blighted issues across the county. um 598 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:52,559 having those eight hours for our code officer would be extremely important uh 599 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:56,559 to support those efforts. So that would be $30,000 in new requests in year one. 600 01:02:55,463 --> 01:02:59,680 [clears throat] So that's the general fund revenue 601 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:04,079 expenditures capital budget. 602 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:08,079 You see you have a requested document of just over $2 million in capital 603 01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:14,480 requested by departments. Each of the funding sources for those 604 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:21,680 items are listed. Uh big ticket items in here. 605 01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:26,319 You have $468,000 in building rehab projects. 606 01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:33,039 You have half a million dollar in it, which 80% of that is we have to replace 607 01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:37,920 our servers. Um it's time they're due for replacement. um we've been moving it 608 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:42,079 along, kind of carrying it. So, it is proposing that for next year. I fully 609 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,960 support that request. Um that's one thing we cannot do without 610 01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:49,280 unfortunately. Um 611 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:53,599 and then $400,000 in vehicle replacements. We have a number of them 612 01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:58,880 this year. This is abnormal amount. A lot of our court vehicles are over 10 613 01:03:55,680 --> 01:04:02,960 years old. Uh and we're starting to see their age. Uh 10 years is where we look 614 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:06,799 at start replacing those vehicles. So, we're proposing several of them. You 615 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:11,440 have a request for a new transporter van from the jail, a new vehicle for 616 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:16,480 community development, uh a cost share for parks for a new um 617 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:21,200 GMC 1500, two top two patrol vehicles, which is 618 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,680 we're in our two-year cycle um as opposed to three, which will be next 619 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:28,960 year and three, which we did this current year. Two administrative 620 01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:33,280 vehicles for the sheriff. Uh and then three vehicles in the courts 621 01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:39,359 and FOC. Your next page shows the amount what I 622 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:45,359 recommended of those requests of 1.6 million. So what knocked off uh 623 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,680 there was a request from the parks for cost sharing on the proposed the grant 624 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:53,280 that they received for a new welcome center. I believe that's the title we're 625 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:59,280 using for it, right? [snorts] Um I see a lot of value to that. Um and 626 01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:03,680 I proposed an idea to Dan. um for next year's budget request. 627 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:08,319 » Uh I just felt that this year we weren't in a position um to help fund that. At 628 01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:11,839 this point, I wanted to know a little bit more where we stood on um the 629 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,635 sheriff's department prior to coming moving that forward to uh the 630 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:19,920 commission. [snorts] Um unfortunately, we can't 631 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:24,000 there are certain items we can't wait on. Health department parking lot, that 632 01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:27,440 whole area, if you've been up there, is beyond repair. It needs to be milled and 633 01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:31,839 replaced. Um, we've we have improvements we need 634 01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:34,960 to make to the former FOC building. Again, please help me find a new name 635 01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:39,680 for that building. Tired of calling it former FOC. [snorts] 636 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:44,400 Um, especially as we look to we working with agencies to get them into that 637 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:47,680 building. Uh, one of the big things and those this item and the courthouse 638 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,760 security are things the ad hoc uh, building committee has been working on 639 01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:56,559 um, is that we need to make improvements to mostly our first floor offices um, 640 01:05:55,039 --> 01:06:04,240 clerk, treasure, register of deeds and courts. Um, unfortunately we've started 641 01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:10,319 to have issues with some of our um, residents who have 642 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:13,839 become a little threatening and um, abusive of staff. So, we're trying to 643 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:18,319 address those issues to make sure we protect our staff. I mean, um, some of 644 01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:21,200 these departments, it gets a little heated and what they do. I mean, you're 645 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:26,960 dealing with courts, it's not always fun. So, we need to make sure our staff 646 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:31,440 is protected on that side. Uh, let's see what else we have in 647 01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:36,240 there. Uh, the clerk's office has um the next year of the vital record book in uh 648 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:40,000 dig index digit digitalization. Easy for me to say Sarah, but there's an item 649 01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:44,240 that you you approved last year and it's just the next year. Uh she has new 650 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,960 software training for election officials. That's a collaboration 651 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:51,520 between multiple counties and municipalities. So, uh depending on how 652 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:55,119 that goes, it may reducing cost as more people jump on. 653 01:06:53,599 --> 01:07:01,119 Uh the one thing I wanted did want to talk about is Patrick has requested 654 01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:04,079 outdoor warning sirens project. Um this will be one you probably seen 655 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:09,359 appeals. It's in here for approved because we would be we're the fiduciary. 656 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,720 I'm not proposing that we fund this, but we are the fiduciary, so I need to show 657 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:17,359 the expense. Uh there's a grant that went into FEMA to help fund some of this 658 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,640 replacement cost. This is new technology that would set things off automatically 659 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,839 with from National Weather Service issues an tornado warning or severe 660 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,599 thunderstorm. They've actually got a new downgrade where they never did it 661 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:32,160 before, they're doing it now. Um it would set it off automatically. It 662 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:36,400 wouldn't depend on 911 to do it. wouldn't depend on somebody else to do 663 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:40,640 it. Um, takes the human element out. Uh, but we have a grant in for that and the 664 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:44,400 cost share on that. Uh, right now I would suggest is on the local 665 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:47,920 communities. Uh, what you may get as a request from Patrick. Uh, and I know 666 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:52,720 he's talked to the 911 director about helping to share in that cost. Um, my 667 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,000 concern is that it's not countywide. It's very targeted in the communities 668 01:07:54,079 --> 01:08:01,039 that have it. So, those communities have invested in it. Um, if we had more 669 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,440 countywide approach on that, that would be different. I'm not suggesting it 670 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:07,359 because we don't have the capital to put it in countywide. So, [snorts] by 671 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,880 putting this grant together, I think we're helping the locals, which is what 672 01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:15,280 we're here to do, but I think the the cost share is on them at this point. And 673 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:20,560 in my proposal, my proposal, um, register of deeds is going to use 674 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:26,159 some of her own fund to restore some of their information. [snorts] 675 01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:29,040 Oh, a new duty weapon replacement for the 676 01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:32,960 sheriff's department is included in capital budget. the capital replacement 677 01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:37,679 fund. You can see the building rehab items. 678 01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:42,000 One item in there I I recommended. I'm I'm a little a little apprehensive about 679 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:45,759 right now is security garage exterior intercom for the jail. I don't think 680 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,679 that's an area that we're going to keep. If [clears throat] we do a facility, so 681 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:53,040 that would be one that I would understand. I'd be completely okay with 682 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:56,319 you cutting. I think the sheriff's department, the jail staff would still 683 01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:59,359 prefer to request it to get them through the next couple years. But again, I 684 01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:03,199 think that's something that we can discuss. 685 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:06,880 It uh pretty straightforward in what they're doing. Everything besides the 686 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:12,000 server is standard year-toear. The diverted felon funds is additional 687 01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:15,120 funds to um fingerprint machines for the jail. They're they're due for 688 01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:19,520 replacement. They're can't get parts for theirs anymore. [snorts] And vehicle 689 01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:23,679 replacement. I think I talked to the sheriff about this originally when we 690 01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:27,359 met. Um I'm only going to be able to do one administrative vehicle this year and 691 01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:31,600 we'll bring back the second one for next year. 692 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:36,480 Um that the rest of them were funded even the 10,000 for the parks share the 693 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:41,520 recommended capital pro. So that's the recommended capital projects 694 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:45,440 new positions I talked about already. You see this you have a chart on that 695 01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:49,759 that explains a little more in each one. Uh again, if I could have recommended 696 01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:52,799 for administrative sergeant in emergency management, I would have done so. I just 697 01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:56,480 was not comfortable with where we were at the time to do so. Uh again, if they 698 01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:01,840 make an appeal and you want to take that a contingency or a cost share or cost 699 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:07,840 swapping with the sheriff's department, um I I would I would support those 700 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:10,239 decisions. Um I think that takes us in the next section, the approved vacant 701 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,840 positions. This is a little different than what you've seen in the past. Uh, I 702 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:17,840 know there were a lot of questions last year on or comments made too about, 703 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:21,360 well, there's a ton of vacancies in those departments. Well, I wanted to 704 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,480 show you truly where we're at right now. So, you have approved the approved list, 705 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:29,840 which is what you see every year. Current vacancies [snorts] outside of 706 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:34,239 someone just left and we're posting. These are ones that have been vacant for 707 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:40,159 a bit. So, custodian one, we're having a hard time attracting custodians. We had 708 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:43,760 a number retire all at once. Um, so we still have one missing there. We're 709 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:46,480 still trying to find I know Jeff would love to find somebody who's interested. 710 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:51,600 So, if you know anyone looking for work on that side, please send them our way. 711 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:55,920 Um the specialy courts program since I stole Tammy to come work for admin. 712 01:10:53,600 --> 01:11:00,880 They're working through that issue of how they replace her. So, that's still 713 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:04,960 shown in here. Um as an approved position, but at this point, it's not 714 01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:08,640 filled and they're not planning on filling it as they work through those 715 01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:11,760 items. Um, I think the other big one is in the 716 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,920 sheriff's department right now. They're down five deputies. I know they have two 717 01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:19,199 going to the academy. So, I believe they're truly down three deputies at 718 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:25,600 this point. Those two, one started. One's already 719 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:28,960 you had one more thought going. >> One backed out. 720 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,560 » Okay. >> Again. 721 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:38,480 » Yeah. Same thing. And I would say to this, you um every county administrator, 722 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:42,960 sher city manager I talk to have the same issue. It's tough to attract police 723 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:48,560 officers right now. Talked to tough to attract fire. Um it's just a tough field 724 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:53,760 uh that uh we'll [snorts] continue to work away at. But that is um you know 725 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:59,600 five five deputies in there. You've got four to $500,000 that's budgeted for but 726 01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:03,120 not being spent. So, some of that will be at the end of the at the end of the 727 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:07,800 year if you haven't filled them. That's where some of your surplus comes from in 728 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,800 the general fund. 729 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:13,360 Um, and I know that I talked to them about those positions and they don't 730 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:17,920 want to give up the approved items. U, but I wanted to make sure that you were 731 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:23,920 aware of that item. And the last page covers all of our other funds. Um, 732 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:28,880 the summary of those items because again, um, some of those are very 733 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:33,840 specific. There are some we will need to have long discussions with certain 734 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:38,239 departments. Um I will tell you just uh as you look at FOC, you look at child 735 01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:42,080 care funds, those departments 736 01:12:40,385 --> 01:12:45,920 [snorts] um the cost of providing services to take care of kids if we have 737 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:50,719 to put them in a residential program is just ridiculous. I I'll tell you back 738 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:54,640 down the amount that she requested this year. I still didn't fully fund either 739 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:58,000 request. I did more FOC than the childcare fund. The childcare fund is 740 01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:01,679 over 2 million in fund balance but that would get eaten away pretty quickly too 741 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:07,679 if you put kids into residential programs FOC we're 742 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,960 about 100,000 just over 100,000 in fund balance so we need to keep that closer 743 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:15,120 to funding and again those are worst case scenarios if we don't need to 744 01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:19,840 transfer if we don't spend it all we won't transfer the full amount of money 745 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:26,080 um a lot of the other ones happy to answer any questions on 746 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:29,440 and that is the proposed budget for this year. I'm sure there will be lots of 747 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:34,640 questions. I'm happy to answer them now. I'm happy to meet with commissioners 748 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:38,719 individually to go over any item that you would so like to discuss. 749 01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:42,159 » Okay. >> And I would like to thank all the 750 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:46,000 departments. I probably should have started with that. All the departments 751 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:49,840 for their help. Um deputy administrator Tammy Price has been invaluable in 752 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:54,880 getting this together. uh former deputy administrator Luella Dennison came in to 753 01:13:52,320 --> 01:14:00,239 help us get in over in the transition a bit. Um so I appreciate their support 754 01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:05,040 and help and uh I feel comfortable. We've given you a budget that is 755 01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:08,719 balanced for next year. Um and hopefully at the end of the day there will be a 756 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:14,320 surplus. That being said, we have some items for 27 that we will look at. Um I 757 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:17,679 think one of the things for me is without you know I talked to you 758 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:23,040 individually but as a commission we don't have an approved set of priorities 759 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:25,840 and I don't as a administrator I I don't like that. 760 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:30,400 » Um so one of the things we're going to look at next year early in the year is 761 01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:34,880 some type of strategic plan discussion process. So at least as I understand 762 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:38,800 going through your budget, you say, "Hey, law enforcement is our top 763 01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:43,440 priority." When we look at requests, then I prioritize that or parks are our 764 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:46,880 top priority. Then I know that. So those are those things and I do and once again 765 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,480 talking to you individually, I can I know where some of those are. But as a 766 01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:55,840 commission, I need five of you at least to say yes, that's our top priority. 767 01:14:52,719 --> 01:15:00,000 » Um so I think we just good governance is that we do that. Um how we do it is 768 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:04,719 another question is something we'll work through. Then Timmy and I have started 769 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:09,679 to have discussions on how we improve this process for us and for you for next 770 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:12,560 year. Um I know there's some commissioners that want to be more 771 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:17,040 involved and we're happy to have those discussions. Um and I know some of your 772 01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:21,440 questions that I've heard from a couple of them already. We're addressing those 773 01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:28,000 issues. we're we're anticipating some of those um to get out ahead of you and 774 01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:30,719 making sure we don't just accept numbers uh that are requested that we're really 775 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:35,840 digging into why they're being requested. Uh I did meet with a lot of 776 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:40,080 the departments this year. There are certain departments, mental health, they 777 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:43,440 just get a number every year, so it doesn't really matter for us to meet 778 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:48,320 with them. Um some other departments like that. Um road commission, they a 779 01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:51,280 small amount. They just set their stuff. They do their own thing. Central 780 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:55,280 Dispatch I don't need to do much with. Uh they have their own boards. So it's 781 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:58,960 the ones that we work with in a dayto-day that we have a little more 782 01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:03,040 control on and a little more responsibility for. So we have some 783 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:07,040 thoughts and we'll be happy to discuss that early in 27 with all of you. 784 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,520 » Okay. [snorts] Questions from commissioners? 785 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,320 » Mr. Chair. >> Yes. 786 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:17,840 » Thank you. So, Michael Brown used to use this method where he took the budget 787 01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:25,679 surplus and then divided into uh the contingency funds like data management, 788 01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:29,600 vehicle replacement, building um and I guess I was used to that and thought 789 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:35,840 everyone did it, but I guess I was told that we were the only county that did it 790 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:40,560 that way. Are you moving away from that? >> That's what we've done the last two 791 01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:44,000 years. Um, so we don't budget for those numbers because we have no idea what 792 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:46,400 that number is going to be. We wait till the end of the year and you make you 793 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,679 give us that resolution at the end of the year that we say, "Hey, you give me 794 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:53,360 the authority to split it up between these funds in this manner." [snorts] 795 01:16:51,360 --> 01:17:00,400 And so we'll do that in December again this year if there's a surplus. 796 01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:05,920 ideal ideally commissioner um I don't like that approach because to me it's 797 01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:10,320 great for capital and some of the other things but like it is a demonstrated 798 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:14,960 cost center for the county. We need to find a way to we budget for that on an 799 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:18,719 annual basis not going oh hey I got $800,000 this surplus I can throw in 800 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:23,600 there. Well next year if I don't have $800,000 I still have that IT cost. And 801 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:28,080 I think you guys have been seeing a trend 802 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:31,920 um when we bring it costs and Matt hates coming to you because he he says the 803 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:36,400 same thing every time is that costs are up. There's a different model for how 804 01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:38,640 they're doing business and it's not one where we can just say well we don't want 805 01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:43,520 to deal with that model. We're stuck with that model. So how we deal with 806 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:49,040 that in our own budget. So that's one of those things I will be working with um 807 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:53,920 Dave Dhan our auditors our cost allocation folks to look at the impact 808 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:59,760 of how we change funding certain services. So it if we change we put a 809 01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:02,960 cost for it and we treat it as truly as an internal service fund which is listed 810 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:07,920 at but to do that we would need to budget it at the beginning of the year 811 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:12,400 and say hey we're taking 100,000 out of the general fund for this we're taking 812 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:17,440 10,000 out of other funds for that. I think Michael did that because what he 813 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:21,920 did is he shared some of the pain to some of the special revenue funds. So 814 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:27,520 the the special revenue funds aren't absorbing any of the cost of it. So when 815 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:33,040 we provide services and I don't mean to scare some of our special revenue folks 816 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:37,520 but like transit COA others we provide parks we provide service to them. We 817 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:42,080 provide payroll to them. We provide an IT infrastructure to them. They don't 818 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:47,120 share in that cost. So, philosophically, um, as a local 819 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:51,360 government administrator, I have a problem with that. That is not the way 820 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:54,159 I've been trained to do things. So, that's a discussion, but that's an 821 01:18:52,719 --> 01:18:58,640 approach the county has taken over the years, and that's and that's served us 822 01:18:56,159 --> 01:19:01,520 well. Um, and if that's something you still want to do, I will continue to do 823 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:07,440 that. But that's one of those discussions we need to have next year 824 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:13,520 » of how we move forward. Again, I love my my special revenue um partners. Um, but 825 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:20,880 the fact that we are sharing costs from that of the general fund without them 826 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:25,280 sharing back concerns me for a long-term viability 827 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,760 vehicle. We don't really we just kind of like, yeah, we'll get to vehicles 828 01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:31,120 hopefully. Hopefully, we have the money there and we've had the money there, but 829 01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:34,880 again, we get to a point where we were back in 2008 where things where we were 830 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,880 cutting everything. Well, there's only so long you can cut and not replace 831 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:44,640 certain things before things fall apart. >> Mhm. And once again, the county was in a 832 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:49,679 good spot. Um I just I have a different philosophy on that. 833 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:53,679 » Okay, Mr. Smoker, 834 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:58,480 » question on that. Then on the special revenue services, 835 01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:04,239 uh on the fund balances, who receives the 836 01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:07,360 interest off of that money? >> That is a great question, John. 837 01:20:05,790 --> 01:20:12,719 [laughter] Uh and I'm still trying to 100% understand that. I know some of 838 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:16,400 them uh have been built up or some of it goes to general fund. 839 01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:20,080 I don't think that's the case for all of them and some of that was I don't know 840 01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:25,360 if it's something that Sue had put in place working with the departments um or 841 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:28,719 not. I know COA we just made a a contribution at the end of the year last 842 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:33,360 year to make sure that they got their interest in the building fund. Um but we 843 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:36,960 need to be doesn't to me it doesn't matter who the treasurer is. It doesn't 844 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:40,719 matter who the administrator is. There should be these standard processes is 845 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:43,520 how it works. Um, >> everybody should be treated the same. 846 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:48,000 » Yeah, absolutely. Everybody should be treated the same. Um, but that goes good 847 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:52,239 and bad. There should be shared cost, revenues, shared expenses. Um, so those 848 01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:57,360 are those issues we're trying to understand and uh with the transition 849 01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:02,000 from, you know, Sue to Kelly after 40 years, there's the change in certain 850 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:06,159 approaches. So, I think they're all good discussions. 851 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:10,159 » Okay. Commissioner Tunison. 852 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:15,679 » Eric, I got a question on the unfunded liabilities that we pay that extra half 853 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:19,679 million. Do we pay interest on that? Is that why we're paying the extra 500? 854 01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:22,719 » No, we're paying the extra 5 because we have a required contribution that will 855 01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:25,199 get us to >> 100% funded at a certain point, 856 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,920 » right? >> The commission has made a decision that 857 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:36,159 they want to speed that up. We want to help put more money in there so we reach 858 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:40,239 that 100% funded earlier. Um and and it may be valuable for us to bring Mge back 859 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:45,440 in. And it's probably been a while since you've heard from MES because Michael 860 01:21:41,679 --> 01:21:48,960 was the board president and um but I think it may be valuable to have one of 861 01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:53,520 our reps from Mge come back in to walk you through some of that process. Um I 862 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:58,800 know I've met with them multiple times since I've been here. Tammy's You met 863 01:21:55,679 --> 01:22:02,800 with her yet? Veronica? Okay. Uh Jeff had met with her before he left. Um, so 864 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:06,159 that's I think that's a valuable thing we can bring in uh later in the year, 865 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:11,199 early next year and have run through the annual evaluation with you. 866 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,639 » But no, it's not an interest. It's just a matter of trying to get ahead of the 867 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:16,800 game. >> Okay. That's I was just curious if we're 868 01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:20,560 paying interest on that. >> They just frustrate me because they keep 869 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:24,239 changing their actuary numbers and keep telling us we owe more. So, 870 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:29,600 » and they did they did this year. Um, it was a good year. So, it was a good year 871 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:34,639 for them to do it. But um and it's some people will say it's a more realistic 872 01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:39,440 approach. I mean they used to be I think closer to 8%. I mean to have 8% returns 873 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:43,920 every year historically probably not. 874 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:48,400 Some you'll have 15 other years you'll have two. Some years you lost money. I 875 01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:50,560 would say I know there are people out scheduling them in later for a 876 01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:58,520 presentation. >> Okay. 877 01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:58,520 But I also would say I think that MS is 878 01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:11,920 yeah their practices are somewhat unusual atypical for a member to 879 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:16,639 accelerate the the catch up on the unfunded. Um yeah 880 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:24,400 » yeah in the private sector whatever that unfunded is and whatever the pension 881 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:26,239 funds uh provisions are for that that's usually what is done. 882 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:34,400 » Yeah. >> Uh it's just you know the nature of the 883 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:45,218 beast. Um the bottom line is that uh when you look at any 884 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:48,000 reasonable projection of future returns [snorts] 885 01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:54,560 they're our employees are going to be fine 886 01:23:51,360 --> 01:24:02,080 whether we have caught it up sooner or whether we play it out the way MS wants. 887 01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:10,080 So I think that in my mind playing yeah paying the additional half 888 01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:16,159 million a year uh is okay. It's really not necessary. And 889 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:20,800 I think that as we start going through the exercise that Eric is talking about 890 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:27,199 prioritizing really uh uh where our funding 891 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:35,840 priorities are that one very much in to me has a 892 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:44,000 question mark next to it. Um, I I think and I and I say the same thing about the 893 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:51,360 our practices with establishing all of these extra fund balances. 894 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:56,960 Uh, to to to me that reminds me an awful lot of uh uh household budgeting when 895 01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:00,639 you sort out all the envelopes and allocate your 896 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:09,520 joy of fund accounting. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I think that you 897 01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:16,960 know what is lacking when you do that is uh an analysis of what are your total 898 01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:21,840 available fund balances out there and what are the chances that you're ever 899 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:28,320 going to get hit in in each of those operational areas that would could not 900 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:33,040 be addressed by a consolidated fund balance. In some aspects you can't 901 01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:36,639 because of the funds we have to keep it separate. Um for I mean I will tell you 902 01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:42,400 for example I think there's 7 million in the 100% umbrella fund right now. 903 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:45,760 » Is could more of that be available? >> I I can't tell you yes right now. 904 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,679 » I can't tell you no right now. Um that would be discussion with the treasurer. 905 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,679 » Yeah. >> There's four plus million in the 906 01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:56,639 foreclosure fund. We very very deliberately not touch that until all 907 01:25:54,480 --> 01:26:01,120 the court cases are resolved. And that's a shock to a consolidated fund that you 908 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:04,320 would not want to have to deal with. >> No. And and I think the the one thing 909 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:08,880 that we haven't really talked about and it's a decision the county made I think 910 01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:13,840 in 12 to move away from retirey healthcare. Um we have the statement we 911 01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:19,520 put in uh on a monthly basis for everyone right now. Uh we have a handful 912 01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:23,600 of people left on retirey healthcare. Um so when they hit 65, they age out, they 913 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:29,600 go to Medicare. We don't fund that anymore. So, we have [sighs and gasps] a 914 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:33,360 few people. I think 2032 the last one comes off the books. Uh, but at some 915 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:36,880 point you could make a decision to say, "Hey, we're going to buy you out of our 916 01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:42,080 the liability standpoint. We're going to pay you off. We'll take that risk." And 917 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:46,800 you probably have about 8 $900,000 in that fund right now over what our 918 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:51,440 long-term liabilities are that you could then put into something. So, are there 919 01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:55,600 resources there that if we got down into a crunch and you need to make I had to 920 01:26:53,120 --> 01:27:00,080 make a call? Well, sure there are. Am I going to say, "Hey, that 800,000 921 01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:04,400 was taken tomorrow." Absolutely not. Unless we make some other decisions. So, 922 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:07,840 um, those are more discussions we can have going forward. It 923 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:10,320 » It's a It's not a simple discussion. 924 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:16,719 » No. >> But it's one that we need to y 925 01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:19,760 » we do need to have at some point. >> Just give me plenty of time to be 926 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:23,679 prepared for that discussion. >> Yes, sir. 927 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,360 Why do you think we haven't pushed you the last couple? 928 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,960 » I appreciate that. >> Yeah. 929 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,440 » Okay. I don't think we need a vote on this, do we? You do not. 930 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:37,840 » This is just an open discussion. >> It's introduction. So, you will at your 931 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:41,120 next meeting um your next meeting after. So, the intention is we get through 932 01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:45,040 appeals uh at that meeting and you have whatever 933 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:47,840 number if you approve any appeals. we pop that into the budget right away and 934 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:53,679 we give you a total number at that meeting that you approve a budget for um 935 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:57,360 the public hearing to be scheduled in October. So 936 01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:03,360 there are items in here we'll tweak between now and then. Um but the coming 937 01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:08,320 out of the next meeting on the 22nd is when you will have a final budget uh 938 01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:11,760 draft for your consideration on October 27th. 939 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:15,760 » Okay. [snorts] Okay. We have no unfinished business, no 940 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:18,800 new business. Do you have anything for the county administrator's report? 941 01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:22,320 » I covered the ad hoc building committee already. That's something we'll continue 942 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:26,400 to work on. We'll have more information when we have uh fixed cost software 943 01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:31,040 project. There are hiccups. We're working through them. We had a check 944 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:35,920 run. I notified you all that the checks printed without routing numbers on. So, 945 01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:41,760 uh those were fixed the next day and remailed out, but we're addressing that 946 01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:45,920 with folks. Um Tammy's got him BSA scheduled the next three days when they 947 01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:51,280 come back tomorrow with departments to make sure we have everything built out, 948 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:55,520 access to what they need. Um I love the functionality. I love having it at my 949 01:28:53,360 --> 01:29:00,320 fingertips. I never had access to Tyler prior to this. I kept telling everyone 950 01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:05,920 that they're like, "Eric, that's fine." Um but I love having it at my 951 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:08,320 fingertips. I can pull things up. Um so there will be headaches. You will 952 01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:10,719 probably hear from some of your departments saying, "Hey, we don't have 953 01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:15,760 access to this." We're working through it. BSNA has got a great support going 954 01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:20,000 forward. Um, and they're also working with the locals to try and get everybody 955 01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:25,600 on the cloud tax and some of the other cloud stuff that they may give it an 956 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:29,920 incentive if they do it now. Um, because we're on it. We have tax for the first 957 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:33,520 time in our history as a county. So, well, we will in November. They'll get 958 01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:39,440 that implemented there. So, all in all, there has been pain, but um, it's going 959 01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:42,560 okay. So, we'll continue to plug away. >> Okay. [clears throat] Thank you. 960 01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:46,239 » I think that's all I have. [snorts] >> Chairperson's report. We're at the start 961 01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:51,280 of the cycle, so it will be Barry Township tonight, Rutland on Wednesday. 962 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:53,040 So, other than that, vice chairperson's report. 963 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:57,040 » Same thing. >> Okay. Commissioner reports. Commissioner 964 01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:01,679 Tunis, >> uh, be attending Hastings charter 965 01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:08,560 tonight. That's about all I got. >> Okay. Commissioner Campbell, 966 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:13,280 » I do have uh Syria tonight and I believe Johnstone on Wednesday. 967 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:20,719 » Okay. Commissioner Smoker, >> I'm good. Commissioner Gaddy 968 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:25,120 » got Yankee Springs on Thursday night. Um and yeah, start of the cycle. So, 969 01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:28,719 » Commissioner Colton, >> Woodland Township tonight, Village of 970 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:32,719 Nashville on Thursday. >> Okay. Commissioner Basson. Uh, I don't 971 01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:37,360 know where I'm going to be for the next couple of weeks since my trip was 972 01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:41,040 planned today or canceled today, but um, uh, Katherine was telling me about a 973 01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:44,800 Yankee Springs planning uh, meeting tonight that I think I'm going to try to 974 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:49,679 go to. And then Yankee Springs and again the cycle glib Prairieville coming up 975 01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:53,040 next week, so see where I am. >> Commissioner Basset was supposed to be 976 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:55,679 in Hawaii for 10 days, but >> she decided she wanted to stay with us. 977 01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:58,080 Hurricane. [laughter] >> Good decision. 978 01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:01,040 » Lel four-letter [snorts] word right now. Yeah, hurricanes are 979 01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:04,320 your friend. >> Oh, yeah. 980 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:07,280 » Okay. Limited public comment at this time. Any member of the public wishing 981 01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:11,760 to address the board may do so for up to three minutes. 982 01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:17,040 » Twice I was referred to as Mr. Osborne, so that made my drive from Delton well 983 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:23,199 worth it. So, thank you. Um, don't get me wrong, I'm also feel the 984 01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:28,159 jail needs upgrading. Um, I've only been there a few times, luckily, to register 985 01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,880 guns. Uh hopefully after today that doesn't change. 986 01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:36,400 » Oh, we'll take you back anytime you want to go, Larry. [laughter] 987 01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:41,520 » Um but uh my intent is just to start thinking what you need to do to work as 988 01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:45,440 a county to come together to get it passed. I just don't want it to, you 989 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:51,600 know, that was a lot of tax dollars wasted. Um but it needs to happen. Just 990 01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:56,639 everybody needs to work together to bring all the groups together. Dave has 991 01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:03,600 mentioned a couple times now to me about the uh uh mental health. That's a big 992 01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:08,080 thing, man. That promote that more because that's that's a very important 993 01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:12,320 aspect of this. So So anyway, don't get me wrong. I I'm with you. I appreciate 994 01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:16,480 what you're doing, but I don't see everybody working together to try to get 995 01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:21,120 the community to come together for a yes vote. And that's what you really need to 996 01:32:18,719 --> 01:32:26,520 Let's make that happen. >> Thank you. 997 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,520 Additional public comment. 998 01:32:32,719 --> 01:32:38,480 » Always hate coming right there and you know it. Where are you? Where are you? 999 01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:42,400 All right. I'm going to do uh seems out this was released and I didn't release 1000 01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:45,679 it. Uh hope this is hopefully to calm me down a 1001 01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:49,600 little bit on some of the stuff we've been doing with elections. This is this 1002 01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:53,280 is released to Rasmusen and it says yes the Dominion systems have modems that 1003 01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:57,199 can connect to the internet but they are disabled by election officials who do to 1004 01:32:55,120 --> 01:33:02,560 fully uh test to asssure they're switched off. Venezuelan engineer and 1005 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:06,880 might add this all goes back to Venezuelan Maduro just got arrested not 1006 01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:09,840 too long ago. I got goosebumps when that happened. some of the information we had 1007 01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:15,120 that we shared with the federal government that we come on with uh the 1008 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:19,040 uh um 1009 01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:24,480 oh email addresses or email messages back and forth uh that helped. So 1010 01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:28,960 anyways, V Venezuelan engineer testimony that doesn't matter. They can be 1011 01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:33,920 remotely switched on by us. So this is my job, okay? It's not political. And uh 1012 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:39,760 if you want to read more of the testimony here, it says uh uh I got 1013 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:43,920 time. This is a question by an attorney. Do the computers made in China and 1014 01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:47,760 Taiwan include circuits that can communicate with the internet? The 1015 01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:51,440 answer, and this is from this Venezuelan engineer, correct? They have internal 1016 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:55,199 modems that allow external communications. And it is the 1017 01:33:53,040 --> 01:34:00,480 responsibility of each one of those each one of the different corporations to 1018 01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:04,960 disable those components or to leave them disabled for the elections. 1019 01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:10,400 This is a question from the attorney. Now, can the firmware keep those modems 1020 01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:16,600 enabled even if the software commands the system to disable the modems? In 1021 01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:16,600 other words, 1022 01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:24,159 can you have fir firmware that allows the modems to remain on even when the 1023 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:29,745 software thinks it's off? The answer from the Venezuelan uh engineer, yes. 1024 01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:33,120 Well, for that you would need an [snorts] engineer that understands a 1025 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:38,080 Windows pipeline system which will allow you to block certain parameters within 1026 01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:42,159 the systems. But through the operating system, then I can enable the 1027 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:48,639 components. In other words, yes. The answer to your question is yes. So 1028 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:53,679 again, this is my job to get stay on top of this right here. That is not 1029 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:56,719 political. And uh this is one of those things I had to sit on for a long time 1030 01:34:55,120 --> 01:35:02,400 and now I looked at it going, "Hey, they released that to Ras Mus." All right, I 1031 01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:08,000 can say it now. So again, um we're still marching forward on that and it is not 1032 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:12,280 political. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Additional public comment 1033 01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:19,120 hearing. None. Other business. We have none. Commissioner comments. 1034 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:24,400 Commissioner Basset. >> Um I think at some point I'd like to 1035 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:27,840 hear a report on the um webcams that we have and uh figure that out if we're 1036 01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:30,880 going to have a separate me, you know, some kind of meeting or whatever. But 1037 01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:34,000 I'd like to have a report on where that stands. 1038 01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:39,040 » Okay. [snorts] Commissioner Colton, Commissioner Getty. 1039 01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:43,600 Um, I guess I'd still like some answers 1040 01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:47,440 about the body cams. I'd like to hear a status update from 1041 01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:52,719 the sheriff and the sheriff's department. Just want I don't want that 1042 01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:57,600 to I don't want to lose focus on on making sure that those are implemented 1043 01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:01,520 and and being used. >> Okay. Commissioner Smilker, 1044 01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:06,480 » I'm good. >> Commissioner Hatfield. Uh just a very 1045 01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:13,440 brief uh comment repeating what I think I said uh at the last meeting. We 1046 01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:19,520 realize, believe me, we realize the importance of how we conduct a 1047 01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:26,320 millillage campaign if we decide to move ahead. But what we're doing now is what 1048 01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:32,800 is necessary to get the information that we need to go out there and effectively 1049 01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:39,040 communicate with everybody in the county exactly what the costs are are going to 1050 01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:48,000 be, what's what services are connected with those and uh why we feel that now 1051 01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:58,239 is the time to move ahead. So nothing that's going on now should infer that we 1052 01:36:52,560 --> 01:37:03,199 don't intend to conduct a very effective millage campaign if we decide [snorts] 1053 01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:07,920 that that's the direction we're going. So don't criticize us for where we are. 1054 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:13,920 You know, we're right where we need to be. We're gathering information and 1055 01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:19,600 talking to the experts so that we can put an effective campaign out there if 1056 01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:23,920 that becomes the the direction we choose. 1057 01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:27,840 » Okay, Commissioner Campbell. >> Uh just to say go along with the 1058 01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:33,440 Commissioner Getty and Commissioner Basset, I I mean we're all getting calls 1059 01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:36,719 on on the body cams for sure. Uh so we we just need to continue staying on top 1060 01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:40,320 of that. Make sure we have a direction and a plan what's going to happen with 1061 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:46,560 that so we can answer to our constituents. Um also um uh I'm not 1062 01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:51,920 going to call you Mr. Osborne. I know you too well, Larry. He brings up a very 1063 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:57,360 appreciate what you said there, Larry. Uh I have a thing down at the VFW 1064 01:37:55,600 --> 01:38:03,280 uh and it holds true in everything we do. It's three simple words. Together we 1065 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:08,080 can. and together we can make this law enforcement uh facility come a reality. 1066 01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:12,000 But it's going to take every one of us. Every one of us has got to be on board. 1067 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:16,880 Every one of us has got to be knowing what's going on and being upfront on it. 1068 01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:21,679 Now, on another thing, we have 9/11 coming up on Friday night. We all 1069 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:28,000 remember what a tragedy that was to our country and [snorts] uh the uh Scouts of 1070 01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:34,560 America, the uh Delta Moose, the Hickory Legion, and uh BFW 422 family. We always 1071 01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:40,080 put together an event at the fire barn. Starts at 6:00. It's a it's a 1072 01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:45,199 remembrance and a ceremony honoring those who died there and a chance for us 1073 01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:50,400 to never forget what happened there. And uh we'd like to see you all come out 1074 01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:56,000 afterwards. there's uh free uh uh extensive hot dogs, so come on down and 1075 01:38:53,760 --> 01:39:00,719 enjoy that if you can. Uh we'd love to see you there. Thank you, Commissioner 1076 01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:04,800 Tennis. >> Um wanted [clears throat] to give little 1077 01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:11,600 update on the Commission on Aging building. I went out there last Tuesday. 1078 01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:16,159 Um it's looking fantastic out there. Uh they had a few loose ends. They were 1079 01:39:13,679 --> 01:39:21,040 planning on moving in this coming Friday. start over the weekend. Uh it's 1080 01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:24,480 going to be like a week delayed, but it won't affect like the grand opening or 1081 01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:28,239 anything. They're going to start moving in just a week later. Give the 1082 01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:33,360 contractors a little bit more time to finish up small details. 1083 01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:37,760 So the 16th, I think she's going to start moving furniture and stuff in 1084 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:44,960 there. And then um the 29th will be for the public to 1085 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:48,080 come and finally see the great results of us 1086 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:52,080 the community coming together and putting this together for the seniors of 1087 01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:56,880 this county. It's really going to be special for them. A lot of people 1088 01:39:53,920 --> 01:40:01,920 excited about it. So, it's been a long time coming. So, it has the process 1089 01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:05,600 worked with that though, like you said, saving almost a million dollars, bidding 1090 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,960 out locally, doing some things that really worked well for that. So, proud 1091 01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:12,560 of the effort that they all put together and I'm sure that that staff at 1092 01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:15,040 Commission on Aging is going to be happy to have this behind them. 1093 01:40:13,679 --> 01:40:20,000 » They're excited. really excited. 1094 01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:24,639 » Um, I don't have much other than don't forget school buses are out there and 1095 01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:28,639 tractors right out on the road as we get to the harvest season and back in 1096 01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:34,280 school. So, watch out for those. Take care. Thank you all for coming. We'll 1097 01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:34,280 look forward to seeing you soon. 1098 01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,320 Okay.