1 00:00:01,580 --> 00:00:11,840 2, stay September 22nd, 2026. It is 6,03pm. I am going to call the meeting to order. 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:23,160 present are myself, Gina Lyon, trustees, also Marilyn Proo and Elis Merchett, and we have Chris 3 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,520 Scowren joining us. 4 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:34,140 Um, any changes to the agenda, additions or deletions? 5 00:00:35,540 --> 00:00:36,800 I do have one, 6 00:00:39,700 --> 00:00:43,480 I actually have a couple, so age, community giving garden, they cancels, 7 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:45,360 they were not able to come. 8 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:52,380 Tentatively, they might be coming on the 13th that our next meeting, not set in stone yet, 9 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:54,580 but so that is getting scratched out. 10 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:02,760 And I am adding the SKRP because we have a final number and we have to get a notice out 11 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,620 to our electric customers which I'm planning to do in the next billing cycle. 12 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:11,320 Privilege of the floor. 13 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:12,220 Chris, that's you. 14 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:13,800 Do you have anything for us? 15 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:22,780 Nope. Okay. Move and rate on. Teams meeting with Curt Muller with the HB Amerike Kelli 16 00:01:22,780 --> 00:01:29,920 regarding the High Street Project. Good evening. Thank you for joining us. 17 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Absolutely. 18 00:01:35,340 --> 00:01:44,420 So I think we wanted to have all parties together to meet to discuss where exactly this 19 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:48,280 project is at, as far as the testing. 20 00:01:48,740 --> 00:01:52,700 I know the last report was sent into the state 21 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,580 and I believe EPA, but Kurt, if you went 22 00:01:58,580 --> 00:02:03,440 mind just updating the full board as to where this project is, 23 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,760 currently, that would be great. 24 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:06,680 Totally. 25 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,880 And I guess just for the sake of everybody here 26 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,200 should I start from the beginning of it, or just 27 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,680 shortly enough date of Princess the last time we connected. 28 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,140 So I should say, 29 00:02:17,140 --> 00:02:18,780 Marica Kelly is joining us. 30 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:22,400 She is the attorney that was assigned to us from BLCT. 31 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Marica, what would you prefer, 32 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,020 a quick synopsis from the beading? 33 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:30,320 Yeah, I'm just needing a quick synopsis stuff to... 34 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:30,580 Okay. 35 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:32,100 Great. 36 00:02:36,970 --> 00:02:39,050 So, for the sign that this project 37 00:02:39,050 --> 00:02:41,350 can work working with the middle of our instance, 38 00:02:42,030 --> 00:02:44,070 historically there have been a lot of transformers 39 00:02:44,070 --> 00:02:50,010 in this area that had a leak in this, in the honest site on high street that had an apparently leak. 40 00:02:50,290 --> 00:02:54,650 I'm going to share a figure showing the, the parcel here. 41 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:59,570 And so, as a result, there have been some media action prior to our involvement. 42 00:03:00,110 --> 00:03:06,150 And at some degree of remediation, namely the removal of those transformers, 43 00:03:06,550 --> 00:03:08,990 but this is a little interlocked, the interlocked, so I've never been investigated. 44 00:03:08,990 --> 00:03:18,190 And it's actually sat for better part of decades until the village got a letter from the state to take for their action. 45 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:30,870 So as a result, we, because the PCBs are a contaminant that is considered toxic, they are in this toxic substance control act of the vision of the EPA. 46 00:03:30,870 --> 00:03:34,590 And there's a very prescribed way that they need to be investigated. 47 00:03:35,750 --> 00:03:42,630 It's not like a petroleum release where you just sample here there and everywhere to understand the extent. 48 00:03:42,990 --> 00:03:47,710 There's a requirement to sample basically under 10 feet, and then it's 6 inch intervals below. 49 00:03:48,290 --> 00:03:54,230 And the idea is that you can delineate the extent of these PCB, because ultimately dating them out, 50 00:03:54,230 --> 00:04:00,270 in a, you know, almost surgical manner and segregating them to various categories, but more 51 00:04:00,270 --> 00:04:03,950 contaminated being very expensive to give rid of. And obviously, one of the minimize that 52 00:04:03,950 --> 00:04:12,390 about and the lower concentrations being less expensive to get rid of or isolate. So we have done 53 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:19,870 a now two three iterations. There's a sort of an overview sampling effort that was initial. And then 54 00:04:19,870 --> 00:04:23,310 we've been following this task of prescribed grid here. 55 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:26,930 So I've got, this is an overview of the entire site. 56 00:04:27,970 --> 00:04:33,270 And then I've got individual maps, you can see page 9, page 12 57 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:34,810 that can zoom in on those locations. 58 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:36,410 But I think this is the most helpful. 59 00:04:37,230 --> 00:04:39,870 The color coding, there are three different standards 60 00:04:39,870 --> 00:04:41,690 that we're looking at here. 61 00:04:42,970 --> 00:04:45,150 The first being the residential standard, 62 00:04:45,230 --> 00:04:46,650 which essentially says if you're both 63 00:04:46,650 --> 00:04:52,250 the residential standard. You can reuse the soil. It's not contaminated in an un-covered 64 00:04:52,250 --> 00:04:57,990 waste. Then, until we go off-site, the purple standard is what's considered the non-residential 65 00:04:57,990 --> 00:05:05,530 standard in the state. Then, the red is representative of the litosca threshold standard. 66 00:05:06,970 --> 00:05:13,390 So to put a little more context there, the litosca standard is one part per million, one 67 00:05:13,390 --> 00:05:21,550 kilogram per kilogram. The residential standard is 0.1 and the industrial or or not 68 00:05:21,550 --> 00:05:29,630 residential standards 0.5.8. So all that to say, we've got, we've got a scenario 69 00:05:29,630 --> 00:05:37,830 here where the last round of sampling really focused on this southern portion south 70 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:42,650 of the high-speed property itself. And so there have been reports that there 71 00:05:42,650 --> 00:05:48,850 potentially transformers that were still buried in this particular area. So we hired a 72 00:05:50,530 --> 00:05:57,090 underground utility locator that used ground penetrating radar and a magnetometer to better understand 73 00:05:57,090 --> 00:06:04,410 where those underground transformers or objects were still buried. And in doing so you can see 74 00:06:04,410 --> 00:06:10,290 it's void here where we did not put the boring. And the reason being, we need to put boring 75 00:06:10,290 --> 00:06:16,170 through a transformer to then pierce it to cause more of a release but we did take a lot of samples 76 00:06:16,170 --> 00:06:23,270 around there and you can see that the so if you zoom in really close here you can see that there 77 00:06:23,790 --> 00:06:29,550 if it's red in the middle and lean on the outside that means we determine the vertical 78 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:36,530 instead. And so what I'm going to do is shift here to another figure, excuse me, and it's 79 00:06:36,530 --> 00:06:39,330 right here, as we move them all up there. 80 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,060 Move this key, pardon me. 81 00:06:44,380 --> 00:06:45,140 Oh, you're good. 82 00:06:47,220 --> 00:06:51,960 There's a patient meeting in kind of great quotes. This is the one I'm looking for. 83 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:03,860 Mm-hmm. 84 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:11,640 What was it self? Okay, perfect. There's another one for it. So if you go, if you don't 85 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:18,060 here. We have, you'll see each one of these call-out boxes as a series 86 00:07:22,350 --> 00:07:24,430 of, 87 00:07:28,330 --> 00:07:29,970 sorry, it's not like in this file. 88 00:07:31,420 --> 00:07:33,460 And I have to hear it. It's coming again. 89 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:48,540 Just to get a sense here. So you can see that there were, I'm trying to zoom in, but it's not liking as I, there. 90 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:58,060 So you can see there were, there were samples collected at six inch animals at each of these locations. The idea here is that we're trying to find the vertical extent and the horizontal extent. 91 00:07:58,060 --> 00:08:05,840 So, if you look at this one location here, for example, V-21, we had pretty elevated concentrations. 92 00:08:06,220 --> 00:08:13,140 They got really high in the 12th and just 18, 18, and 24th, but then they peered off down to non-detect at that. 93 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,300 So, the purpose of this investigation is to determine the lateral extent and the vertical extent, 94 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:22,840 to then know where is this problem, to then be able to remediate it and dig it out. 95 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,780 And until we do that, task of the EPA requires the intern and the extent before you build a remediation plan. 96 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:36,060 And so the thing we can done this investigation is innocent, where we collect a lot of samples in the field 97 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:42,500 and run them iteratively, meaning we run them, you know, we run them up the first one, the second one, the third one, the fourth one. 98 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:45,500 There's no point running all of them if we found the vertical extent. 99 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:50,640 And that saves money at the end and that we don't need all the data just to determine the extent. 100 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:58,300 So, the bottom line here is, we've done pretty well in determining the extent in some of the locations. 101 00:08:59,020 --> 00:09:05,420 However, there are a few that remain, but still the extent has not been determined. 102 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:10,780 So if you look down here, all of this work down here was this last iteration, 103 00:09:11,340 --> 00:09:15,960 but we still have these elevated concentrations at the far southern end. 104 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:21,500 and we took, you know, many more than we had anticipated what we would need, we thought we would be ending here 105 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:28,380 and then boom, it came back, you know, the concentration is again, Rose. So in terms of next steps, 106 00:09:28,620 --> 00:09:35,680 it's important to determine that extent down here. There's a little area here that we require a little 107 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:41,140 a little bit more investigation, but not much. Now in terms of cleanup, it really depends on two things. 108 00:09:41,140 --> 00:09:44,140 the reuse of the property and the zoning. 109 00:09:45,220 --> 00:09:51,540 So this property, the former facility here, 110 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,860 that is not considered a residential property 111 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:55,940 and the use is not residential. 112 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,100 Therefore, in terms of remediation, 113 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,740 you wouldn't have to remediate it to the residential standard. 114 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,480 You could remediate it to the EPA standard. 115 00:10:05,340 --> 00:10:07,540 And furthermore, there may be opportunities there 116 00:10:07,540 --> 00:10:09,900 to leave some of the contamination in place 117 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:16,200 After you read the worst source, the leads of contamination in place, and then tap it in a way 118 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,440 with the agentages of gravel and an indicator marker, and then potentially put a fence around 119 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,560 it to say, you know, the Philiniciacs. 120 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:32,080 So there ways to address the issue without getting rid of every green contaminated soil off the site. 121 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,060 And ultimately, that is a more cost effective approach. 122 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,760 So, with EPA, there are two kind of categories, there is a high occupancy, and a low occupancy. 123 00:10:42,020 --> 00:10:48,060 The high occupancy means you use it more than 6.7 hours per week below occupancy, 124 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:53,560 and if you use it less than 6.7 hours per week, just the way the standards are calculated. 125 00:10:54,860 --> 00:11:03,980 So, we are the opinion that a more cost effective way to address the property of here would be to take that lower occupancy route, 126 00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:07,640 potentially, you're storing, you know, what have you there, but 127 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,800 fence it off and then put some sort of barrier down after you've gotten rid of 128 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:18,660 the worst forest down in this parcel though, unless the zoning is changed to 129 00:11:18,660 --> 00:11:24,140 non-residential, we're going to, the requirement will be that we 130 00:11:24,140 --> 00:11:29,420 delineate to the extent of residential and we would need to, to take more samples. 131 00:11:29,420 --> 00:11:35,700 We still will, in some extent, down here, but we can kind of end it at the purple, let's 132 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:40,100 say, as opposed to ending having to go all the way to green, which is a much lower standard. 133 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:45,540 So it really depends on how far we take that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that 134 00:11:45,540 --> 00:11:51,020 of investigation, depending on what the future uses and what the property will be zoned at. 135 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,160 So once we determine the extent, which, again, will require one more iteration of investigation 136 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:03,140 another round of investigation. Then we develop a remediation plan, which will, like I said, 137 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,410 excavate some cap sum, and then address this area where these transformers were located 138 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:15,140 that appear to be vertical. So we're in a game of another round of investigation that 139 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:20,460 is remediation planning, so that's kind of my feel, but we're going to open up your questions if you 140 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,900 Great. Thank you. 141 00:12:27,390 --> 00:12:34,290 At this point, we can't go on to the next phase of testing until you hear back from 142 00:12:34,290 --> 00:12:35,030 Is it EPA? 143 00:12:38,620 --> 00:12:41,960 Correct. Yes, I'd like the EPA to provide input. 144 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,080 They've been out of the loop for about a part of 18 months on this because there's one EPA coordinator 145 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:54,560 in New England and their responsiveness is isn't less than favorable. So I think it's 146 00:12:54,560 --> 00:13:01,560 proved to check back in so there where we are and where we're headed and then determined 147 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:04,900 to begin to determine even though we needed a more investigation we haven't really 148 00:13:04,900 --> 00:13:09,160 been sensitive but where we're headed. I want to connect with them on the proposed 149 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:16,540 just radiation plan as well, just so we're designing the investigation to get that in line. 150 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,000 Okay. 151 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:17,040 Okay. 152 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:17,880 So yes, I need your back. 153 00:13:18,220 --> 00:13:24,120 So just to clarify, this isn't being held up because of the village or anything. 154 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,500 This is. 155 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:25,720 Okay. 156 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:26,300 Perfect. 157 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,860 Thank you. 158 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:28,500 Um. 159 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,540 Can you do either of you have any questions? 160 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:35,820 No, not really. 161 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:42,460 pretty much covered. Yeah, I mean we're kind of a stance still but it sounds. Yeah, very okay. 162 00:13:45,220 --> 00:13:52,460 Yeah, I just wanted clarity on you said that both of us 163 00:13:55,150 --> 00:13:58,330 are gonna be just finding both zoning and 164 00:14:01,690 --> 00:14:09,330 use our determinative in terms of what you need to do, one by using this occupancy. 165 00:14:09,330 --> 00:14:10,210 The 166 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:25,960 zoning, so from this, it's two different kind of regulatory bodies, from the state's perspective, what dictates the standard used to clean something up is the zoning. 167 00:14:26,740 --> 00:14:42,960 So even if you have a property that's in a residentialized area, but is used for parking garage or a parking lot, it's not, it doesn't have a home, the zoning is what will dictate the cleanup standard. 168 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:52,050 Because if it's known as residential units, it spends the off and not used, you still have 169 00:14:52,860 --> 00:14:53,960 Please check out 170 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,060 Here's on residential 171 00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:59,800 Yes, there's a bit more flexibility 172 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:14,840 If you were to say, look, we can never, we can't afford to clean up to that standard, and we're never going to use this property. There'd be a way that you could put a dean restriction on the property, but in terms of the investments, in terms of investigating the extent. 173 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:25,440 Not necessarily the cleanup, but investigating the extent you'd investigate to what it is zone with the zoning suggested, so under five of the benefits. 174 00:15:26,340 --> 00:15:30,960 Okay, so that's the investigation as the remediation. 175 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:31,860 Correct. 176 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:37,920 And the remediation aside of things, the EPA days, if we have two categories, is either 177 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,180 higher from the C or low occupancy. 178 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,320 EPA doesn't care if it's a paint factory or nursery school. 179 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,000 The paint factory has people working there for more than 6.7 hours a week. 180 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,960 The EPA, the EPA standard is quite a higher than the state standard, so what we're trying 181 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,560 do is essentially pull the state along to agree to the EPA standard given the fact that 182 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,620 this will be non-residential and the bill is just spent an arm in a way that trying to 183 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:09,020 eliminate this and with a deep restriction on the property saying there are these issues 184 00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:15,500 in place, we're taking these remedial measures. Can you leave us alone in state? I think that's 185 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:19,760 the direction that the arm already kind of connected with them on that, but we need EPA to 186 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:26,960 you know that approach as well. Okay, and that's all. Thank you. You're sure. Great. 187 00:16:28,380 --> 00:16:34,400 Any other questions? I don't have any. That's time. No, I don't. No. 188 00:16:35,860 --> 00:16:40,940 Thank you so much for joining us, Kurt. I'll see you all next time. 189 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,740 We'll be in touch again. I'm sure once you hear from EPA, I'll hear from you. 190 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:50,500 Okay, forgive that sounds good. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye bye. 191 00:16:51,840 --> 00:17:00,100 All right, so that leaves just Mary Caves and us, based on this conversation that we just had. 192 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,560 I would like to go into Executive Session to discuss the matter. 193 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,360 So unfortunately, it's a little cold. 194 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:11,780 Press. 195 00:17:12,700 --> 00:17:15,740 Okay, you're welcome to come back because we still have more items. 196 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:20,180 I'm anticipating it to be like seven, quarter after seven. 197 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:27,300 Okay, feel free to call me after, though, if you want to and you know how to get all of them. 198 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:29,600 Have a good night. 199 00:17:29,660 --> 00:17:30,160 Thank you. 200 00:17:30,260 --> 00:17:31,660 Be careful on that step. 201 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:32,160 Okay. 202 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:32,800 I will. 203 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:33,360 Thanks. 204 00:17:33,940 --> 00:17:34,740 You too. 205 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:41,940 So, um, it is now 7, 21, p.m. 206 00:17:42,340 --> 00:17:43,500 6, 6, 21. 207 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:44,540 She's on Corbus. 208 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:46,620 It's been a long week and it's like Tuesday. 209 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:49,000 6, 21, p.m. 210 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:55,340 thank you Marilyn. I am going to make a motion that we go into executive session under legal 211 00:17:55,340 --> 00:18:00,940 action one VSA State Statue 313A1E. 212 00:18:00,940 --> 00:18:02,960 Let's do it. 213 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,560 Chipper is seconding, all those in favor. 214 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:09,920 All right, motion passes, we are now in executive session.