[6:55] Good evening and welcome to our Tuesday,
[6:57] April 14th town council meeting. Uh
[6:59] we're going to go ahead and start with a
[7:01] work session though on the Midland
[7:03] design guidelines. Um and we've invited
[7:06] uh planning and zoning and we have Bill
[7:08] Marone here. So uh yeah. Yeah. And the
[7:12] rest of the council is in the room or
[7:14] online or coming in and uh Jessica
[7:16] Hubard's on. I see some folks. But uh I
[7:19] think this is going to be uh James and
[7:21] Carlton kind of running the show here um
[7:24] as far as the work session. So I will
[7:26] turn it over to you both.
[7:28] >> Carlton's going to run with it here.
[7:31] >> Good evening council. Uh
[7:33] >> actually before before you get started
[7:35] also this is a work session so like
[7:38] Elise you can come sit up here because
[7:40] this is you're going to be this is
[7:42] you're going to be part of this. So,
[7:44] everybody who's [clears throat] going to
[7:45] be part of it should be up here in the
[7:47] front as long as you guys are okay. I
[7:50] think it's Gloria and I talked about it.
[7:51] You you go with that,
[7:52] >> Jack? Just take Let's get up. Let's get close.
[7:56] >> This is a work session, not a council
[7:58] meeting. So, we want to, you know, the
[8:00] idea is we we've seen it. You've seen
[8:02] it. We have a new council that's going
[8:04] to come vote on this. Um so, we all want
[8:07] to level set on what we're going to do
[8:09] um together. So that way the next
[8:11] council when they vote on it, it's, you
[8:13] know, we've all kind of been there and
[8:15] spoken together. That's the idea. So
[8:18] Carlton, sorry.
[8:19] >> All good. Good evening, council. Carlton
[8:22] Henry, planner 2 with the town of Asalt.
[8:24] Uh, I'm here this evening to uh
[8:27] introduce a work session on the Midland
[8:30] Avenue District Design Guidelines. Um,
[8:33] we also have Jessica Hubard from uh GMJ
[8:36] Architects online uh who will be uh
[8:39] walking you guys through the work
[8:41] session and presenting the draft of the
[8:44] Midland Avenue District design
[8:46] guidelines. Just a little bit of
[8:48] background for the record. Uh this
[8:50] project began last summer when town
[8:52] council passed a resolution to approve a
[8:55] contract with GMA in order to pres
[8:57] perform consulting consulting services
[9:00] and establish architectural design
[9:02] guidelines in Basalt's historic
[9:05] commercial core. Uh 2025 was a milestone
[9:08] year in the history of Midland Avenue
[9:11] with the complete completion of the
[9:13] Midland Avenue streetscape project. The
[9:16] development of the Midland Avenue uh
[9:19] district design guidelines was a natural
[9:22] um
[9:24] uh successor to the completion of this
[9:26] project. Uh the completion or the
[9:29] creation of the architectural design
[9:30] guidelines seeks to implement the 2020
[9:33] basalt master plan goals regarding the
[9:36] historic character of Basalt as listed
[9:39] under related town statutes and/or town
[9:42] actions below. Over the last nine
[9:44] months, the consultant team has
[9:45] conducted research, engaged in extensive
[9:48] community outreach, and produced sever
[9:50] several drafts with consideration given
[9:52] to feedback from staff, [laughter]
[9:54] planning and zoning commission,
[9:56] architecture, and design industry
[9:58] professionals and members of the public.
[10:01] At the March 10th town council meeting,
[10:03] council considered a presentation of the
[10:05] design guidelines from GMA and requested
[10:08] that staff and the consultant team
[10:10] return for a work session at a future
[10:12] meeting. Council also requested that
[10:14] planning and zoning be invited to
[10:16] discuss the design guidelines with
[10:18] council in a work session. And as
[10:20] mentioned, we have Bill Marin here from
[10:22] planning and zoning um to provide input
[10:25] as well. GMJ architects have provided a
[10:28] draft of the district design guidelines
[10:30] for review by town council and that
[10:32] those design guidelines are linked in
[10:34] the agenda as well as in this memo
[10:36] below.
[10:37] Um,
[10:39] we ask that council hear a presentation
[10:41] from GMJ architects, ask questions of
[10:44] the consultant and of staff, provide
[10:47] feedback on the drafted design
[10:48] guidelines,
[10:50] um, and uh, I'll just add that a final
[10:53] draft of the design guidelines and a
[10:55] resolution will be presented at a future
[10:57] meeting for council approval. With that,
[11:00] if you guys have any questions, I'd be
[11:02] happy to answer any questions you may
[11:04] have. Otherwise, I will hand it over to
[11:06] Jessica.
[11:11] » Great.
[11:13] Go ahead, Jessica. You are muted, by the
[11:15] way.
[11:16] >> Okay, great. Yeah, I was wasn't sure if
[11:18] there were any questions. Uh, can
[11:21] everyone hear me? Okay. Slash see my
[11:23] screen.
[11:24] >> Yes.
[11:26] >> Okay, great. Well, yes. Uh, thank you,
[11:29] council, for having me this evening. I
[11:32] apologize. I'm not in person. Um, but
[11:35] I'm I'm very honored to be here and to
[11:37] present the design guidelines to you.
[11:40] Uh, tonight we are going to dig in a
[11:43] little bit deeper into what the
[11:45] guidelines specifically entail. And I
[11:49] know most of you have heard this
[11:50] presentation before, so I will try to
[11:52] give the background um just a few
[11:55] minutes. But for those that are new to
[11:57] the project, uh we're just going to talk
[11:59] about the history and what design
[12:01] guidelines are really quickly and then
[12:02] we'll dive into the draft itself. So, um
[12:06] for those of you that have not met me,
[12:08] my name is Jessica Huard. I'm an
[12:09] architect, planner, and uh principal of
[12:12] GMA.
[12:14] And uh we'll we'll dive in.
[12:21] Okay. So for those of you that are not
[12:23] familiar with what the project is, as
[12:26] Carlton gave a background, we were
[12:29] contracted by town planning to develop
[12:31] design guidelines for what we determined
[12:34] as the Midland Avenue district. So the
[12:37] district aligns with the C2 downtown
[12:39] business district in the zoning and then
[12:42] most properties that are fronting
[12:44] Midland Avenue. And we have a map that
[12:46] I'll get to in the next slide.
[12:50] So here you can see the district
[12:52] boundary. All of the buildings that are
[12:54] within the hatched blue region are
[12:59] buildings that will be um upheld to the
[13:02] design guidelines. Uh it's kind of hard
[13:05] to see on the screen, I'm sure, but the
[13:08] small orange circles represent what
[13:11] we're calling contributing buildings.
[13:13] And we'll get more into that when we
[13:15] talk about section two.
[13:18] So, what are design guidelines? As
[13:20] you've heard and as we've discussed many
[13:22] times with planning and zoning and with
[13:24] council on March 10, design guidelines
[13:27] are policies. We are thinking of them as
[13:30] an overlay to the existing zoning. They
[13:34] specifically describe architectural
[13:36] styles, features, and characteristics
[13:38] that essentially define what assault is.
[13:41] So for any new development or existing
[13:45] buildings that are purchased by an
[13:47] owner, a new owner, uh basically these
[13:50] guidelines are going to help them craft
[13:52] uh making more basalt and contributing
[13:55] to what basult sense of place is. And so
[13:59] they really are a planning tool. They're
[14:01] proactive planning tool and they'll be
[14:03] upheld by town planning staff or the
[14:05] commission through site plan and
[14:07] building permit review.
[14:11] And then just why design guidelines? As
[14:14] Carlton mentioned, 2025 was a large year
[14:17] for Basalt with the Midland Avenue
[14:19] streetscape project. And so the design
[14:22] guidelines will really support again
[14:25] creating more Basult celebrating the
[14:27] culture of Midland Avenue. It'll also
[14:30] provide a framework for the planning
[14:33] department so that as development comes
[14:35] down the valley as new owners are coming
[14:39] into town um new applicants they will
[14:42] have a framework to look to for when
[14:44] they are building new developments or
[14:48] altering existing buildings. And the
[14:50] guidelines help uh town planning and or
[14:54] the planning and zoning commission
[14:56] council property owners make informed
[14:58] decisions about these potential
[15:00] projects. And then also uh we in these
[15:05] guidelines are encouraging preservation
[15:08] of some of the salt's most unique and
[15:11] historic buildings. Uh and those are
[15:14] what we're referring to as the
[15:15] contributing buildings that we are
[15:18] encouraging preservation of.
[15:23] And then this we always like to
[15:24] highlight this in each presentation.
[15:27] This came from a resident of Basalt just
[15:30] asking what really makes Midland Avenue
[15:33] special. And if when you think about
[15:34] Midland Avenue, you think about the
[15:36] vibrant colors, the playful roof lines.
[15:40] Most of the buildings are either two or
[15:42] three stories, which means they're
[15:44] designed to human scale. They're not
[15:47] like a huge skyscraper making you feel
[15:49] like a small ant when you're walking on the street. Uh Midland Avenue really
[15:54] is designed to scale to human scale. It
[15:58] also has an inviting walkable street
[16:00] environment. And then there's a ton of
[16:03] connection to history and nature with
[16:05] Basalt being a railroad town. Uh there's
[16:09] a lot of history and connection to why
[16:12] Midland Avenue is the way that it is
[16:14] today. And then just to highlight that
[16:17] characteristics like this, playful roof
[16:19] lines, vibrant colors, the scale of
[16:22] buildings, um creating inviting walkable
[16:25] streets comes from storefront at the
[16:27] ground level. These are all
[16:29] characteristics that are driven by
[16:31] zoning, but they're reinforced by the
[16:33] design guidelines.
[16:37] So digging into the guidelines
[16:39] themselves, we have divided the
[16:42] guidelines into seven sections. So we'll
[16:46] start with the introduction section and
[16:48] then we'll dig into the meat of the
[16:49] guidelines which is the existing
[16:52] buildings and the new construction and
[16:54] then we'll conclude with sustainable
[16:56] design and the review processes in
[16:58] chapters six and seven.
[17:01] So section one, this is truly an
[17:04] introduction to how to use the
[17:06] guidelines, the history of basalt and uh
[17:11] what to expect in the design guidelines.
[17:14] So for example, just to put this project
[17:18] flow diagram to use, for example, I'd
[17:21] like you all to think about what if an
[17:23] owner, a new owner comes into the town
[17:26] of Basalt and they purchase the Alpine
[17:28] Bank. So they'd start at the top
[17:31] rectangle. So the project located in
[17:33] Midland Avenue District. Yes. Step one,
[17:36] does the project involve an existing
[17:38] building? Yes. Alpine Bank is existing.
[17:42] Two, is the building historic? Yes, we
[17:45] are considering that building a
[17:47] contributing building. So then we'd
[17:49] follow that line all the way down to um
[17:54] C-section 3.2 working on contributing
[17:56] buildings. And then we do have a
[17:58] subsection of is the building
[17:59] restorable, but I don't think we need to
[18:01] get into that during this work session
[18:04] unless council requires we dig into
[18:07] that. So anyway, just using that as an
[18:09] example of how to use the guidelines.
[18:11] Obviously, if a owner came in and
[18:14] purchased a parcel of land, I'm not sure
[18:16] where, that does not have an existing
[18:18] building, we would consider that new
[18:20] construction and then they would be
[18:21] directed to section five architecture
[18:23] and new construction.
[18:28] So then moving on to section two. This
[18:31] section we really dive into the history
[18:33] and character of Midland Avenue. So what
[18:37] architectural styles and periods of
[18:39] significance developed from the history
[18:41] of Basalt? And this section and chapter
[18:45] 3 really stem from whether or not to
[18:49] designate the Midland Avenue District as
[18:51] a national historic landmark district.
[18:53] And what that means is that it would be
[18:56] registered with the National Park
[18:58] Service and it would adhere to the
[19:02] Secretary of the Interior standards most
[19:04] of the buildings that are contributing.
[19:06] And so since that is not a that has not
[19:11] been formalized, this is the next best
[19:14] way to preserve some of these existing
[19:17] buildings that are so cherished by the entire town. And so in order to
[19:24] identify those contributing buildings,
[19:25] we also had to identify certain periods
[19:27] of significance. And if you're not
[19:29] familiar with that term, it's
[19:31] essentially a time frame in the context
[19:34] of historic preservation. So you're most
[19:37] likely familiar with the false front
[19:39] commercial period of significance or the
[19:42] queen revival is or there's those are
[19:45] probably the top two that you're most
[19:47] familiar with with buildings around the
[19:49] soul.
[19:52] And then diving in a little bit deeper
[19:54] of what is in section two, we then took
[19:56] these periods of significance and we
[19:59] broke down in alignment with uh history
[20:02] Colorado which is our state historic
[20:04] preservation office. We broke down the
[20:07] history of these periods of significance
[20:09] and then we also identified common
[20:11] features so that say an individual comes
[20:15] in and wants to create more of a 19th
[20:19] century commercial building or wants to
[20:22] restore or recreate false front
[20:24] commercial. They have some of those
[20:25] common features.
[20:29] And then finally we outlined the
[20:32] contributing buildings. So these are the
[20:35] cherished buildings. These are buildings
[20:37] that if we ever wanted to, we could
[20:41] apply for these buildings to be listed
[20:43] on the national register because right
[20:45] now there are not many protections for
[20:48] these buildings. [clears throat] Uh an
[20:50] individual or or company or or whoever
[20:53] could come in and purchase these
[20:55] buildings and there's no protection that
[20:59] it's beyond just town planning.
[21:05] So naturally, if we're going to
[21:07] designate contributing buildings, we
[21:09] need to talk about how to treat these
[21:11] existing buildings. So in section three,
[21:14] we begin to outline types of existing
[21:17] buildings. So this is where we define
[21:20] historic, contributing,
[21:21] non-contributing, and non-historic
[21:23] because there is a difference. We then
[21:26] go into the recommended treatments of
[21:28] historic features. And this all comes
[21:30] from the Secretary of the Interior
[21:33] standards. So preserve, repair, replace,
[21:35] reconstruct. That those are the four
[21:38] types of treatment. Um so a lot of this
[21:40] is is in direct alignment with the
[21:43] National Park Service. And then we also
[21:46] go into discourage treatments.
[21:48] Naturally, demolition is a very large
[21:51] discourage treatment for historic
[21:53] buildings. But then we talk about
[21:55] exterior alterations, additions, and
[21:58] then treatments of some of these
[22:00] details. So, foundations, windows,
[22:02] historic doors, roofs, materials, things
[22:06] like that.
[22:08] And so, tonight, the format is a little
[22:10] different than our presentation on March
[22:13] 10th. I really wanted council to see how
[22:17] the guidelines align directly with the
[22:20] checklist for an applicant. And so the
[22:24] checklist is divided into two sections.
[22:27] It's essentially existing and new
[22:29] construction. And so I've included a
[22:32] snip here for you all to see. We have a
[22:36] different row, different line items. So
[22:38] site, foundation, window and window
[22:41] openings, doors, roofs, and then other.
[22:45] And then when you dig into the
[22:46] guidelines, you start to see that those
[22:50] line items are tied directly to the
[22:53] guidelines. So here we have where we
[22:55] talk about the work on contributing
[22:57] buildings, the different types of
[23:00] treatments and then we start to talk
[23:02] about historic sites. Again, this comes
[23:04] from directly from the secretary of the
[23:07] interior standards. So, for example, if
[23:10] someone wants to come and purchase
[23:12] Alpine Bank and they want to move it,
[23:14] that is not recommended or allowed per
[23:17] the Secretary of Interior standards. So,
[23:20] just trying to layer in some of those
[23:22] parameters for historic buildings.
[23:27] And then, you all saw this last time,
[23:29] but just some more diagrams of how to
[23:32] treat historic doors and entries. So you
[23:35] can see in this diagram on the left, the
[23:37] top left, we're showing the window
[23:40] proportions, original [clears throat]
[23:42] window openings have been reduced from
[23:46] two single hung windows to one, but
[23:49] we're still maintaining the same
[23:51] proportions. And then similarly on the
[23:54] bottom, you can see that there used to
[23:56] be a door here, but in the process of
[24:01] infilling it, now the proportions are
[24:03] the same. it's just been turned into a
[24:06] wall. So, and then on the right hand
[24:08] side here is an example of how to treat
[24:11] historic roofs. Uh at the top, the
[24:15] historic roof has not been altered.
[24:16] That's acceptable. In the middle,
[24:18] dormers have been added to the rear
[24:20] elevation. That's acceptable. But what's
[24:24] not recommended is a [clears throat]
[24:26] front gable dormer has been added to the
[24:28] primary elevation and dominates the
[24:30] facade. So again, just thinking about
[24:33] and showing design characteristics that
[24:37] tie back to the historic nature of the
[24:39] contributing or non-contributing
[24:41] building.
[24:43] And then I just wanted to show one more
[24:46] example of how we're thinking about
[24:49] what's acceptable, what's not permitted.
[24:51] So you can see here on the original
[24:54] building
[24:55] uh now the alteration there's an
[24:59] appropriate awning that's been added but
[25:02] if you see in the not permitted diagram
[25:03] that that awning is slightly too large
[25:06] and it's covering the brick recess or
[25:09] the brick sign uh panel and then
[25:12] similarly you can see that the original
[25:15] cornness was kept in the acceptable
[25:17] version but removing the cornness is not
[25:20] permitted. So again, small details that
[25:23] uh are acceptable and nonacceptable.
[25:29] So moving on in section four, this is
[25:33] now applying to new construction and in
[25:36] this section we are focusing on anything
[25:40] with the site. So, compatible infill,
[25:43] parking, landscaping,
[25:47] um signage, what's appropriate, what's
[25:49] not appropriate, overhangs and awnings,
[25:52] arcades and galleries, uh really
[25:54] focusing on [clears throat] those design
[25:57] elements that contribute to a site and
[25:59] not necessarily the design of the
[26:01] building.
[26:03] And then looking at the checklist again,
[26:06] you can see that the line items directly
[26:08] correlate with the section. So in this
[26:11] checklist we have a line item for site
[26:14] design, compatible infill, parking and
[26:17] curb cuts, landscaping, fencing and
[26:19] overhangs. And then moving on to show
[26:22] you some of the diagrams. So here we
[26:25] have compatible infill. This just shows
[26:29] uh we have more diagrams but you can see
[26:31] here in the diagram on the bottom where
[26:33] the building that is extremely recessed
[26:37] is not allowed. And a lot of this
[26:39] overlaps with zoning, but just to show a
[26:43] diagram of of what's expected and and
[26:46] what will contribute to a walkable and
[26:49] inviting streetscape. And then we're
[26:53] also identifying that we prefer when the
[26:56] facades align and also aligning with
[27:00] zoning that there is a zero lot line. So
[27:02] zero foot setback from the property
[27:05] line. And then here we're showing just
[27:09] appropriate and not appropriate awning
[27:12] treatments. So you can see up here in
[27:14] the top right where the awning is
[27:17] covering a part of the building and
[27:18] extending past the opening. That's not
[27:20] acceptable. Whereas we would prefer that
[27:24] the awning is broken up or if it's
[27:27] extending over a piece of the building
[27:29] that that piece of the building is a max
[27:31] of 2 feet. And so these are proportions
[27:33] and uh design elements that we've
[27:37] studied and we came up with some of
[27:39] these parameters for how to make more of
[27:43] a salt. And then keep in mind that again
[27:47] everything that we're talking about in
[27:48] section four, five, and six, well six
[27:52] could be for existing four and five are
[27:54] for new buildings. So, anything that's
[27:56] already existing on Midland Avenue is
[27:59] essentially grandfathered in unless they
[28:01] were to apply for any alterations moving
[28:03] forward.
[28:07] And then here's another example of one
[28:09] of our diagrams uh showing arcade
[28:13] treatment and dimensions. So, it's
[28:16] recommended that the arcade is 10 and
[28:18] 1/2 ft minimum.
[28:21] um that the arcade is minimum 60% of the
[28:24] overall length just so that it doesn't
[28:27] feel too short. Um the bulkhead is what
[28:32] this is called. The area under the
[28:34] storefront is 18 in minimum. So again,
[28:36] just small guard rails to help um
[28:40] contribute to making more of a soul.
[28:45] And then here is a snip from our sign
[28:48] matrix. we start to build on what's
[28:52] already in the zoning code. So we go
[28:54] into the different types of signs. Um
[28:57] and then so a wall or projecting that
[29:00] layers in with what's existing into the
[29:02] zoning code. But then we go and define a
[29:04] wall sign versus a sign band versus a
[29:07] blade sign. Um a vinyl decal, what
[29:11] percentage is allowed, things like that.
[29:13] And then I just want to point out that
[29:15] the town of Basalt sign application must
[29:18] be in must be completed in addition to
[29:21] the COA checklist. So uh we already have
[29:24] some processes in place, but this again
[29:28] builds and reinforces the zoning code
[29:31] and what processes are already in place.
[29:36] And then finally, we're at architecture,
[29:39] which is the bulk of the design
[29:42] guidelines.
[29:44] And so here we're really digging into
[29:46] the details. We are outlining guidelines
[29:50] for windows, detailing,
[29:53] um, massing and scaling, doors, building
[29:56] entrances, roofs, and exterior
[29:59] materiality.
[30:01] And this is uh continued in the new
[30:04] construction checklist. And so you can
[30:06] see those line items align with what I
[30:09] just showed. So transparency, windows
[30:12] and window openings, doors and door
[30:14] openings.
[30:16] And then here in this column, there are
[30:18] specific requirements. So transparency,
[30:21] there's a ground floor percentage, upper
[30:23] level percentage, and then do the
[30:25] windows meet the proportion and size
[30:27] requirements, yes or no. And if if no,
[30:30] the applicant would have to explain what
[30:32] their reasoning for that is.
[30:36] So here we break down some of the
[30:38] minimums and maximums of that
[30:40] transparency requirement. So how much
[30:43] glazing
[30:45] is allowed at the ground level versus on
[30:47] level two or level three. And here you
[30:50] can see the basically the hatch of of
[30:54] what that transparency should be, the
[30:56] minimum and the maximum. And then down
[30:59] here we [clears throat] just have some
[31:00] simple simple equations for proportions.
[31:03] Um, and it it looks a little scary, but
[31:06] if you do the math, you can you can
[31:07] actually see that there's a lot of
[31:09] flexibility in that, but the equation
[31:11] just allows for maintaining proportions.
[31:17] And then roof lines. It was really
[31:19] important for our team and we received
[31:22] this feedback from a lot of our survey
[31:25] results that the playful roof lines is very uh distinct in basalt. And so we
[31:34] created some guidelines around how to
[31:36] recreate that. So uh if a if there's a
[31:39] roof plane change it has to be 12 in
[31:42] minimum. You can see that in these
[31:44] existing buildings on Midland A. It's
[31:46] currently 4 and 1/2 ft. Similarly, on
[31:49] the other side, it's 40 in and there's a
[31:52] 12 in minimum. So, it's a guardrail.
[31:54] It's it's very small in comparison to
[31:58] what's actually on Midland, but it just
[32:00] ensures that we can maintain playful
[32:03] roof lines.
[32:07] And then this is pretty textheavy, but
[32:09] essentially we dig into encouraged
[32:12] materials. So peach glow brick is um is
[32:16] a vernacular material to the valley.
[32:19] Novelty sighting is a material that is
[32:23] uh
[32:25] it's part of the uh periods of
[32:28] significance. So wean Victorian and uh
[32:32] false commercial both have no novelty
[32:34] sighting traditionally or wood sighting.
[32:37] However, wood sighting is prohibited in
[32:39] accordance with an ordinance in the
[32:41] zoning code. So exterior cladding shall
[32:43] be composed of fire retardant and
[32:45] non-combustible materials such as etc. And then uh we also have some
[32:52] requirements around storefront windows.
[32:54] So the minimum exterior mullions must be
[32:57] 1 in exterior mins must must be 3/4 of
[33:01] an inch which essentially we're talking
[33:03] about what's dividing the panes of glass
[33:06] in the storefront. And then again I had
[33:09] put this in another diagram at the
[33:11] bulkhead there's a min and a max
[33:13] suggestion and then material materiality
[33:17] around doors. So wood aluminum
[33:20] storefront or proposition panelized
[33:22] design is encouraged.
[33:27] And then section six is is pretty small
[33:30] but it's very straightforward. Here we
[33:33] are talking about just recommendations
[33:35] for applicants and owners on how to make
[33:39] their building more sustainable. So we
[33:41] go into different types of green
[33:44] certifications that they could pursue.
[33:46] And then here in this diagram, we tried
[33:48] to do an all-in-one showing what
[33:51] sustainable strategies
[33:53] you could implement into your building
[33:55] and how you could treat that, especially
[33:57] if it's a contributing building. So,
[33:59] where your solar panel array could go,
[34:02] where your bike rack should should fall,
[34:06] uh where awnings could be, and then uh
[34:10] how you can control solar heat gain,
[34:12] things like that.
[34:15] And then finally, so review process.
[34:17] This is where we talk about the
[34:18] certificate of appropriateness
[34:20] checklist, which we've been talking
[34:22] about for the duration of this
[34:24] presentation. But then we also have a
[34:28] another flow diagram of when you need a
[34:31] [clears throat] COA. Um, essentially if
[34:33] your project's located in Midland
[34:35] Avenue, you will need to fill out the
[34:37] checklist and submit the application.
[34:40] And then once you have an approved COA,
[34:43] then you can proceed to site plan review
[34:45] and or building permit. And then in this
[34:49] section, we also talk about appeals to
[34:51] the design guidelines. So
[34:52] [clears throat] any building types that
[34:54] may not apply such as a monumental
[34:57] building uh as we've discussed before
[34:59] like the library would be an example of
[35:01] a monumental building that are typically
[35:04] civic or institutional in nature. And
[35:07] then there's also a few sentences about
[35:10] a form that applicants could fill out if
[35:14] they feel that their design should not
[35:17] or does not meet the design guidelines.
[35:23] And then this was asked about on March
[35:25] 10th. So we just threw this in here, the
[35:27] glossery of terms. So I'm sure I've said
[35:30] a few things tonight that some of you
[35:32] are not familiar with. Uh so if if any
[35:36] of those questions come up as an
[35:37] applicant is reviewing the guidelines,
[35:39] they can uh head to section 8. And there
[35:43] are a lot of definitions here and
[35:45] diagrams too.
[35:49] And then just wanted to
[35:52] uh remind council that this uh process
[35:55] was very extensive with the community.
[35:58] Um we hosted two open houses. We were
[36:02] consistently posting on Let's Talk the
[36:04] Salt for those that were unable to
[36:06] attend our in-person sessions. We met
[36:08] with planning and zoning and we also
[36:11] attended the farmers market to get the
[36:13] word out about the project at the
[36:15] beginning. So, we've gotten extensive
[36:18] feedback from the community and from
[36:20] town planning staff. Uh, and we feel
[36:24] very strong that this has been a
[36:27] community centered approach from the
[36:30] beginning.
[36:32] And then you all saw this on March 10th,
[36:34] but this just gives you a timeline of of
[36:37] how we got here. So, we were at the
[36:39] farmers market. We conducted a survey.
[36:42] Then we came up with the first draft
[36:44] which we presented at the open house
[36:46] number one. We had draft number one ords
[36:50] that were posted on let's talk basalt.
[36:52] Then we revised and came back with draft
[36:55] number two.
[36:57] We presented draft number two to
[36:59] planning and zoning commission as well
[37:02] as the second openhouse. And then we
[37:04] took all of that feedback and compiled
[37:08] the we had two versions of draft number
[37:11] three because we also got some feedback
[37:12] on let's talk the soul and some of the
[37:16] commissioners gave us feedback as well.
[37:18] And then uh that brings us to the PNZ
[37:23] commission recommendation to council on
[37:24] February 17th. We uh continue to work on
[37:29] the draft that was up on Let's Talk the
[37:31] Salt. And then we now have the final
[37:33] draft which all of the diagrams and all
[37:36] the information that you saw tonight is
[37:38] part of that final draft. And then uh
[37:41] you all saw me on March 10th and here we
[37:44] are on April 14th.
[37:48] So the next steps have not changed. Um I
[37:52] look forward to discussing. Um sorry I
[37:54] took a little bit longer but hopefully
[37:56] we have some good time to answer any
[37:59] questions or concerns that you may have.
[38:01] Um otherwise the next step remains the
[38:05] same. Team is requesting a resolution
[38:07] for adoption at a future meeting and
[38:09] I'll open it up to the floor for
[38:11] questions.
[38:12] >> Thanks Jessica. Every time we go through
[38:14] this I learn something uh new in this in
[38:16] this space. So appreciate it. What
[38:18] questions or comments do you all have?
[38:24] » Well I wanted to make a comment
[38:28] that goes way way back.
[38:31] I've been on turn that way.
[38:33] >> I've been on planning commission for a
[38:34] while now and I participated in three
[38:38] master plans chairing two of them and
[38:41] every single one the the subject of
[38:44] small town character or community
[38:46] character was the major subject to
[38:49] everyone in every public outreach from
[38:51] the very beginning and everything that
[38:54] people complain about for every large
[38:56] project we have ever seen downtown or
[38:59] not. And so, um, you know, with with the
[39:02] that being of such a high importance to
[39:05] the electorate at large and the citizen
[39:08] body at large, um, there has been in the
[39:11] past a lot of pressure for the town to
[39:14] institute design review boards,
[39:18] which having worked in development for
[39:20] in mountain towns for 30 years, those
[39:22] are just a nightmare to deal with. and
[39:25] they can and sometimes do get co-opted
[39:28] in in strange and funny ways. And um
[39:32] Aspen does it, Tellelurai does it,
[39:34] Mammoth Lakes does it, and I've dealt
[39:35] with all of those boards. And they
[39:38] aren't they don't really function as
[39:40] intended, but people feel like, oh,
[39:41] they're there doing their thing, but um
[39:44] they make development really really
[39:46] painful and you get results that the
[39:50] community doesn't necessarily like and
[39:53] it's more impedimented to the process.
[39:55] But the thing about this design review
[39:57] guidelines that I as an architect
[40:00] working in the community for a long time
[40:02] have felt would be is useful is it's
[40:04] very prescriptive. You can look at it
[40:07] and know what you can do, what you can't
[40:09] do. It's been through a rigorous public
[40:11] process, so it's very defensible.
[40:14] It is is it always the best design? No.
[40:18] Is it a pain in the ass? Yeah. But um
[40:21] for a lot of people coming here, they
[40:23] come here for downtown and we even have
[40:27] a similar process in Willlets. It's
[40:28] different because Willlets is different,
[40:30] but you know, it's it's I think it's
[40:32] really useful and it's very
[40:35] it's simpler than it seems for the staff
[40:37] to administer and it's simpler for
[40:42] uh the planning commission to deal with
[40:44] because you have prescriptive rules just
[40:46] like with the with our master plan. um
[40:49] is very clear what we wanted and it's
[40:53] very easy to judge a project before us
[40:55] based upon those criteria and those
[40:58] criteria are all vetted by the
[40:59] community. So it you have something to
[41:01] stand on. So that's why you know for us
[41:05] as a board this is a very useful tool.
[41:10] >> Thank you for your comments. Yeah, I
[41:12] tend to agree. It's you want something
[41:13] that's going to define and help people.
[41:15] But if it's too constrictive and not
[41:18] just prescriptive, but you know
[41:20] constricts people their ability to get
[41:22] things done and makes it painful, then
[41:24] >> yeah,
[41:24] >> why you know that's not that's not what
[41:26] we want to do. And I I agree. I don't
[41:28] think this does that.
[41:29] >> And design review boards can be fairly
[41:30] capriccious.
[41:32] >> You know, um HBC and Aspen can be a real
[41:36] pain in the ass. And this wouldn't be
[41:38] like that. that you know it's not like
[41:40] you're going in front of a board who you
[41:42] know may like dislike you for other
[41:43] reasons or you know Clark and
[41:46] [clears throat] Tellyide which has
[41:48] political concerns and you know or
[41:50] Mammoth Lakes kind of backed off of
[41:52] theirs and went more to a prescriptive
[41:55] planning uh department-based process as
[41:59] opposed to a board which you know I had
[42:02] been in front of that board a number of
[42:03] times and you couldn't figure out what
[42:04] they wanted. So that that's why this is useful.
[42:10] What else? What other thoughts and
[42:12] comments with this?
[42:15] >> Well, I you know, Bill's touched on a
[42:17] lot of things I was going to say. I
[42:18] think that small town character has
[42:20] always been a negotiation
[42:23] at every level, and people have
[42:25] different definitions of what that is.
[42:28] For me, it's uh
[42:30] in especially with Midland Avenue, it's
[42:33] the scale, it's the simpleness, it's the
[42:36] organic nature of it. it's well
[42:37] balanced. um you know and and it stayed
[42:41] that way for a long time and then in the
[42:43] last 10 years it you know the changes
[42:47] have accelerated significantly and some
[42:50] of them were
[42:53] you know took a long time to resolve you
[42:55] know and and I'm not talking about the
[42:57] replacement of the infrastructure and
[42:58] things like that but just other things
[43:00] that were [laughter] built on top of
[43:01] that that started to enhance or
[43:04] potentially detract from what was a
[43:07] quintessent ential description, you
[43:09] know, of a mountain town or described as
[43:11] quintessential. I think that
[43:14] um it's a multi-generational
[43:17] downtown and it's taken 125 years to get
[43:21] to where it is and the last 20 have
[43:23] probably been the most challenging I
[43:25] would say. But the success of
[43:29] recognizing the importance of downtown
[43:31] Midland and the confluence of the rivers
[43:33] and fighting hard to keep the post
[43:35] office a gathering place. You know,
[43:37] someone mentioned that
[43:40] you'd say, "Well, we'd meet at the post
[43:42] office." People are saying now, "Well,
[43:44] we'll meet at the statue of this." So,
[43:47] but I so I think there's a transition
[43:48] that we see that could commercialize it
[43:52] more than it needs to be and keep that
[43:54] same feeling that it's a place you
[43:56] return to and that you do it mult, you
[44:00] know, multiple times over your life. Um,
[44:03] we don't yet know what the full-time
[44:05] occupancy of the building across the
[44:07] street's going to bring. So, you know,
[44:10] what's next with that? I really think
[44:13] too that on the technical side, those
[44:15] are all tactical type conversations. I
[44:18] think the construction impacts um really
[44:22] have to be part of that checklist.
[44:25] You know, construction management plans,
[44:28] schedules, um planning, notifications,
[44:34] uh
[44:35] you know, oversight,
[44:38] management of those things to tear down
[44:40] and replace. You mentioned foundations,
[44:43] there's a groundwater issue here on the
[44:45] street. Um, things like that that you
[44:48] know below grade construction,
[44:51] all that stuff gets to be very
[44:53] complicated in a core like this. So, I
[44:56] think that's got to be taken into
[44:57] consideration and maybe P&Z can bring
[45:00] some expertise to the table with someone
[45:02] that could advise on that. Uh but other
[45:05] than that, if we can keep it low impact,
[45:07] organic,
[45:09] balanced in a way that doesn't overwhelm
[45:11] one thing or the other, the spaces that
[45:14] are open now, the alleys, all the little
[45:16] funky places need to be maintained,
[45:20] stuff like that.
[45:22] >> Thanks, Rick.
[45:28] This is a very minute thing, but I grew
[45:31] up in a historic district in a historic
[45:33] house, and the thing that my parents
[45:35] always complained about was the single
[45:37] pane windows and not being able to
[45:40] upgrade to a double pane window. And I
[45:42] saw in section six it says you should
[45:45] maintain the original window. And I'm
[45:47] all for original window shape, size,
[45:51] vibe. Um, but if someone wants to update
[45:56] the actual window in there, I I would
[45:58] feel fine about that.
[46:00] >> Can you comment on that? Is that
[46:02] >> My understanding is that would be the
[46:04] wood and the frame and not the actual
[46:06] glass. The glass could be it could be
[46:08] rebuilt, so to speak, but I don't
[46:10] [clears throat and cough] know
[46:11] >> exactly. So, because those historic
[46:15] buildings are technically not
[46:16] registered, you could very well replace
[46:20] all of the windows. um if a building if
[46:22] a contributing building is on the
[46:24] national register then it's it is very
[46:27] difficult to get away from the single
[46:29] pane window but um and maybe I should
[46:32] revisit the section 66 fix language
[46:35] because that is our sustainability
[46:36] section where upgrading to an energy
[46:39] efficient envelope would be encouraged
[46:42] and so uh yeah the the guidelines
[46:45] honestly this is the the perfect
[46:48] application of having a historic quote
[46:50] unquote building, but also being able to
[46:53] upgrade it to more quote unquote modern
[46:56] systems and energy efficiencies.
[47:01] » That's a good call.
[47:03] >> Yeah.
[47:03] >> Anything else like that that we need to
[47:06] kind of make sure we got baked into this
[47:08] before it comes back for resolution.
[47:14] » All right.
[47:15] >> Well, um it's 5:46 and now we have our
[47:17] regular meeting.
[47:19] >> Yes. This is I didn't know if you wanted
[47:20] to do this. I just did see some people
[47:22] in the audience. I don't know if you
[47:23] wanted to invite have any public comment
[47:25] or anything on this on the Yeah, if you
[47:28] wanted to.
[47:29] >> So, yeah, Laura, I know we've had others
[47:31] come in since, but Laura, if you have
[47:33] anything,
[47:34] >> you know,
[47:35] >> feel free to come up to the mic.
[47:41] » Thanks, Jeff. Yeah, sure.
[47:42] >> Thank you. I appreciate being able to
[47:43] sit in and listen to um this, I guess.
[47:49] My question remains
[47:51] whether we're dealing with historical or
[47:55] design wish list. And sometimes I think
[47:58] that they get
[48:01] um mixed in together.
[48:04] So I guess my concern is
[48:07] the purpose of this document, this
[48:10] overlay.
[48:11] Is it historical? Is it design wish
[48:13] list? Is it both? I don't know. Um
[48:21] I I will say I don't think there's been
[48:24] rigorous community input.
[48:27] Um I've had to
[48:30] proactively find out where meetings are
[48:35] to find the information. You know, it it
[48:37] I went to a meeting, the second meeting,
[48:39] there were four people there from the
[48:40] community. Um so that's my observation.
[48:46] Um,
[48:48] and then my final one again since you
[48:50] asked is, um,
[48:55] and I know it's been explained to me a
[48:56] few times, but how an overview overlay
[49:00] guideline, how what the relationship
[49:03] specifically is to the C2 zoning. So, if
[49:06] someone's asking,
[49:08] I want to do something that it's been
[49:10] zoned for,
[49:12] which comes first, I guess, or
[49:14] >> like the use or the uh or the I don't
[49:18] know that's like might be a planner
[49:21] question to answer but
[49:24] >> yeah so so the these guidelines were
[49:27] designed with the zoning in mind and are
[49:29] compatible with the the C2 zoning as
[49:32] well um so that includes uses any kind
[49:36] of standards like setbacks
[49:38] um
[49:39] >> so this doesn't
[49:41] infringe on the C2
[49:43] >> that's that's correct Okay.
[49:46] >> Um
[49:47] those are my comments. Thank you for
[49:48] your time.
[49:49] >> Can you comment on the uh the design
[49:51] wish list versus um
[49:54] >> yeah so so these guidelines similar to
[49:56] our housing uh guidelines uh are a town
[50:00] regulation. Um but it's not zoning code.
[50:04] Those two things are legally separate
[50:06] and Jeff could probably expound upon
[50:08] those at length um if you guys need. But
[50:12] uh so it it is a town regulation and
[50:16] applicants uh for development in the
[50:20] town who qualify
[50:22] by being in the Midland Avenue District
[50:26] will be required to provide um
[50:29] documentation through the COA form that
[50:32] Jessica prov uh you know touched on and
[50:35] is provided as a part of the packet
[50:36] materials um for redevelopment
[50:40] um within the Midland land avenue
[50:42] district.
[50:43] Uh, does that answer your question?
[50:46] >> That for me it does. Laura, I mean hard
[50:49] >> more or less. I I um
[50:51] >> Can you come back up? Sorry.
[50:57] » The COA is an interesting thing to me.
[51:00] Um, and I just ask that you look at that
[51:03] closely. Um,
[51:06] yeah, but I I I got what you're saying.
[51:09] But the the COA I read that and I was I
[51:11] don't know just take a look at it.
[51:14] >> I I have one real quick quick
[51:16] hypothetical then I think that's going
[51:17] to probably Laura's question and concern
[51:20] is that let's say someone bought
[51:22] Temperno wants to build a whole new
[51:24] building. It has to fit into these
[51:27] guidelines. Correct? Because it's late
[51:29] in the zone district. Yet the building
[51:32] next door is from 1980 and completely
[51:36] different. And so if if someone came and touched on a handful of these, maybe
[51:42] it's not everything,
[51:44] then does that supersede
[51:47] does this supersede the the general
[51:50] building guidelines that if it if it
[51:53] doesn't if it doesn't have the perfect
[51:54] brick front and a door in this way and
[51:57] the window in this way and a certain
[52:00] awning,
[52:02] does that mean that they have to go back
[52:04] and check everything in these
[52:07] guidelines.
[52:08] >> So, I I I see this as like a two-part
[52:12] question here. So, the the one answer
[52:15] would be that if it's a if it's new
[52:18] construction that it follows the new
[52:20] construction section of this. If it's
[52:23] redevelopment of an existing building
[52:25] such as Temperno, it would follow the redevelopment
[52:30] section of the design guidelines. In
[52:33] regard to the buildings that were
[52:37] constructed before these guidelines were
[52:40] uh established, which you know there are
[52:42] a lot of buildings um on Midland that
[52:46] are similar to what you're referring to
[52:48] that late 20th century architecture. Um
[52:53] those are not going to be required. you can't require folks to go back and
[52:59] institute architectural elements to a
[53:03] building that is non-contributing.
[53:05] And so Jessica touched on that a little
[53:07] bit, but the contributing buildings have
[53:10] a different standard uh for replacement.
[53:13] So you're not going to be required to go
[53:14] back and uh put in V Victorian elements
[53:18] to a building that was built in 1985.
[53:20] >> But then that so then this would
[53:22] supersede just a C2C zoning. This is
[53:24] like redirecting the zoning is kind of
[53:26] what she's asking like
[53:28] >> Ryan [clears throat] actually zoning
[53:30] applies. So zoning is really dimensional
[53:33] requirements and uses, right?
[53:35] >> Y
[53:35] >> so the dimensional requirements and uses
[53:38] are are limitations in zoning that that
[53:40] would apply to a new project that would
[53:43] apply to improvements to an existing
[53:47] project, an expansion to or other
[53:51] property that's existing. Um, you also
[53:55] have the guidelines which the guidelines
[53:58] have certain requirements in them and
[54:01] there's a waiver process that if if
[54:05] certain requirements
[54:06] don't fit the historic nature of the
[54:09] building which Tempo and some of the
[54:12] other properties on Midland Avenue are
[54:15] designated historic through our local
[54:18] historic designation program. um they
[54:21] have to be the improvements would have
[54:23] to be compatible with the existing
[54:26] >> character and nature of the structure
[54:29] >> but it's an it's an added layer
[54:31] >> sure
[54:32] >> of restriction to a building that's
[54:35] designated in this map
[54:36] >> correct
[54:38] >> that that's the answer Lauren's looking
[54:40] for
[54:40] >> it doesn't change the zoning zoning but
[54:44] that building is going to have to fit in
[54:47] if I'm going to redevelop temperno right
[54:49] now Yes,
[54:50] >> it has to fit in to everything on this
[54:52] checklist. E
[54:53] >> either that or get a waiver and and so
[54:56] >> so there is a waiver process.
[54:58] >> There is a waiver process and and
[55:00] >> you know for Temperno which is a
[55:02] historic building and and fits into one
[55:04] of the timelines that that was
[55:07] established in the guidelines. We
[55:10] wouldn't be looking to you know
[55:13] requiring brick on tempo which
[55:16] >> wouldn't fit with the time period. But
[55:18] let's say you're going to scrape
[55:19] temperno.
[55:20] >> Yeah.
[55:20] >> Right. And take advantage of the lot,
[55:22] >> right?
[55:23] >> Yeah, you can.
[55:23] >> Yeah, we can.
[55:24] >> Yeah, you could do whatever you want.
[55:25] It's the C2C. This doesn't protect the
[55:28] building.
[55:29] >> No, but we have historic protections
[55:31] through our historic designation and
[55:33] certain properties including Temperno
[55:36] are historically designated under the
[55:38] current code.
[55:39] >> That that's separate from these design
[55:41] guidelines.
[55:42] My only point and what I think you're
[55:44] saying is that you're adding more
[55:47] restriction on certain buildings
[55:51] um
[55:53] >> certain buildings get it and certain
[55:54] buildings don't in this overlay. We're shooting we're hoping for
[55:58] >> and so character.
[56:00] >> Yeah. So what
[56:03] >> honestly what do you what do you provide
[56:05] for the building owner
[56:06] >> to give that up? Well, and and actually
[56:09] just as clarification, all buildings get
[56:12] additional design guidelines. So, it's
[56:14] not just historic buildings. It's not
[56:16] just certain buildings. These design
[56:19] guidelines apply to all buildings in the
[56:21] district
[56:25] or would would apply if adopted.
[56:27] >> And thank you for the feedback on the uh
[56:29] on the communication process, Laura.
[56:31] We'll we'll talk about
[56:36] >> All right. Well, it's 5:55. We got a lot
[56:40] of people out there that you guys can
[56:41] hear for some of the agenda items coming
[56:43] up, which will be pretty exciting. Thank
[56:44] you, Carlton,
[56:46] and Jessica and James for uh leading us
[56:50] through this. This was helpful. And
[56:51] looking forward to and Bill for for
[56:53] being here. Appreciate it. And all of
[56:55] you, it's good to see you. And we'll
[56:58] take a quick break and be back uh just
[57:00] after 6. Thanks a lot.
[57:04] Oh my god.
[1:11:37] Good evening and welcome back to uh
[1:11:38] Basalt Town Council. It's Tuesday, April
[1:11:40] 14th. Uh we're going to go into our
[1:11:42] regular meeting now in a moment. Uh
[1:11:45] earlier tonight, we had a work session
[1:11:46] on the Midland design guidelines. That's
[1:11:49] completed now. And uh just really quick
[1:11:51] before we get going, I always give the
[1:11:53] announcement about how to join on Zoom.
[1:11:55] If you're interested in that, you can go
[1:11:57] to basalt.net, look at the agendas and
[1:11:59] minutes and uh find the April 14th and
[1:12:03] the link instructions are all in there.
[1:12:05] Um I'm going to go ahead and call the
[1:12:08] meeting to order and Pam, would you
[1:12:09] please call the role?
[1:12:10] >> Absolutely. Let's begin with Deer
[1:12:12] Schindler
[1:12:13] >> here.
[1:12:13] >> Angela Anderson,
[1:12:15] >> Rick Stevens
[1:12:16] >> here.
[1:12:17] >> Hannah Berman
[1:12:18] >> here.
[1:12:19] also her honel dupart
[1:12:22] >> here.
[1:12:23] >> Ryan Slack
[1:12:24] >> here
[1:12:24] >> and David Knight
[1:12:25] >> here.
[1:12:26] >> Thank you.
[1:12:26] >> Yeah, thank you. They both
[1:12:28] >> All right. Um, next up on the agenda is
[1:12:30] the consent agenda, but I'm going to
[1:12:31] propose we uh modify this slightly. We
[1:12:35] are going to do items uh if everyone's
[1:12:38] amendable to this item 6A and 6B next
[1:12:42] before the consent agenda. Um, we have a
[1:12:44] lot of folks here for that. Um, we're
[1:12:46] going to do 6A in the room here. Um, the
[1:12:50] proclamation recognizing Tim Goodwin of
[1:12:52] Timbos. And then 6B is the proclamation
[1:12:55] recognizing Basalt High School coach
[1:12:57] Carl Freric's. We're going to do that as
[1:12:58] well, but we're going to take that
[1:13:00] outside once we get done with, um, the
[1:13:02] proclamation for Tim. So, um, we're
[1:13:05] going to go ahead and do those. So, uh,
[1:13:07] item 6A, proclamation recognizing Tim
[1:13:10] Goodwood from Timbo's Pizza. And uh
[1:13:12] Robbie uh you can come up here and uh
[1:13:14] speak there or at the table.
[1:13:16] >> Uh Basalt is so fortunate to have Tim
[1:13:19] Goodwin and his family as a part of this
[1:13:21] community for the past 29 years. Tim
[1:13:24] needs no introduction, but here is Tim
[1:13:27] Goodwin.
[1:13:29] [applause]
[1:13:34] Um I guess I'm sort of flabbergasted. It
[1:13:36] was quite the surprise of an honor and
[1:13:39] I'm just glad to be one of the citizens
[1:13:42] of town and I grew up in Carbondale and
[1:13:45] started at Pipinos when it was a Papinos
[1:13:47] here. So I've been in that building for
[1:13:48] 40 years and watching kids and families
[1:13:50] grow up here has just been a real
[1:13:52] special honor and thanks for uh thanking
[1:13:55] me I guess.
[1:13:56] >> Yeah. Well, thanks for for doing what
[1:13:58] you do. I know um I have an 11-year-old.
[1:14:00] Our kids go over there and hang out. You
[1:14:02] know, it's a always a place to go if you
[1:14:05] want to get a slice. said, "I'm a
[1:14:06] progressive rock fan as well."
[1:14:08] [laughter]
[1:14:08] >> Nice.
[1:14:09] >> So, I mean, I go in there and it reminds
[1:14:10] me of uh my high school years with the
[1:14:13] Rush and you you got even the deeper
[1:14:14] cuts in there at times, the Dream
[1:14:16] Theater. What?
[1:14:17] >> Yep. Exactly.
[1:14:18] >> What? So, uh No, it's pretty cool what you've got going there. And you
[1:14:22] know, just thank you for being a part of
[1:14:24] this community for so long. We have a
[1:14:27] proclamation for you that um we'll go
[1:14:29] ahead and read it and pass it around.
[1:14:31] Everybody will read a different
[1:14:32] paragraph. So um a proclamation honoring
[1:14:35] community service in the town of Basalt.
[1:14:37] So whereas the town of Basalt
[1:14:39] acknowledges that the performance of
[1:14:40] government and other social institutions
[1:14:43] is powerfully influenced by citizen
[1:14:45] engagement in community affairs. And
[1:14:49] >> whereas individual citizens and citizen
[1:14:52] networks working for the common good of
[1:14:54] the community are part of special
[1:14:56] character of the town of Basalt. And
[1:14:59] keep going down.
[1:15:00] >> Yeah.
[1:15:02] This is a big paragraph, so
[1:15:04] >> you got the big one, Rick. [laughter]
[1:15:06] >> I planned it that way.
[1:15:07] >> Lot of responsibility.
[1:15:09] >> Tim Goodwin and family members Julian,
[1:15:11] Jason, and Jesse have long been more
[1:15:13] than just the owners of our beloved
[1:15:15] Timbos Pizza. Tim has served as a
[1:15:18] steadfast pillar of our community.
[1:15:21] You are right there. Timbos is more than
[1:15:24] a place to eat for those fortunate
[1:15:26] enough to enjoy his triedand-true
[1:15:28] recipes. It is a place for students to
[1:15:30] gather and adults to run into friends. A
[1:15:33] hot spot for delicious food, good music,
[1:15:35] positivity, friendships, and a place
[1:15:37] where the spirit of Basalt comes alive.
[1:15:40] >> You want me to just keep rocking?
[1:15:42] >> Sure.
[1:15:43] >> Take us home.
[1:15:44] >> With the [laughter] yearbooks lining the
[1:15:45] walls and photos of the sports teams he
[1:15:47] has sponsored tell quite a story better
[1:15:49] than words ever could. Each one a
[1:15:52] testament to the lives that have
[1:15:54] intersected with those doors and they
[1:15:56] support freely given and the support
[1:15:59] given freely to all who enter. It may
[1:16:01] take a village to raise a child but it
[1:16:03] takes a pizza joint to raise a
[1:16:04] community. [laughter]
[1:16:08] [applause]
[1:16:12] Therefore,
[1:16:14] >> what's that? Therefore,
[1:16:16] >> therefore, we the Bassalt Town Council
[1:16:18] proclaim that on this 14th day of April,
[1:16:21] 2026, the town of Basalt is a far far
[1:16:24] better place by the role model and good
[1:16:26] deeds of Tim Goodwin and family. So,
[1:16:29] well done. [applause]
[1:16:43] All right.
[1:16:47] outside.
[1:16:47] >> All right. Well, next up we have and
[1:16:49] we're going to after I read this, we're
[1:16:51] going to go outside, but item 6B is a
[1:16:53] proclamation recognizing Basalt High
[1:16:55] School coach Carl Freric. And uh we're
[1:16:58] going to go ahead and go outside out
[1:17:00] here because there's a crowd out there
[1:17:02] for that. So, you're all welcome to come
[1:17:04] on out.
[1:17:10] » Okay.
[1:17:20] I just need to stand up.
[1:17:23] >> Still still not in yet.
[1:30:22] All right, welcome back. We are back
[1:30:24] inside from our uh have done our two
[1:30:26] proclamations for the evening. Um but
[1:30:29] stay tuned. There's more. Uh next up is
[1:30:32] our consent agenda item two and I'm
[1:30:34] going to read a laundry list of things
[1:30:35] that are on that. If anybody wants to
[1:30:37] pull anything off, let me know at the
[1:30:38] end. Item 2A is resolution number 17
[1:30:41] series of 2026. Resolution of the town
[1:30:43] council of Basalt, Colorado approving
[1:30:45] the 2026 streets m streets maintenance
[1:30:48] chip seal project and authorizing staff
[1:30:50] to enter into contract with GMCO LLC.
[1:30:53] Item 2B is to continue to April 28th,
[1:30:56] 2026 public hearing and introduction
[1:30:58] meeting 555 Basalt Avenue development
[1:31:00] application for special review PUD
[1:31:03] amendments and associated development
[1:31:04] review actions for 54 commercial storage
[1:31:07] units and 47 residential units. Item 2 C
[1:31:10] is an Arbor Day proclamation. Item 2D is
[1:31:13] resolution number 18 series of 2026
[1:31:16] resolution to the town council of Basalt
[1:31:17] Colorado granting approval for the 2026
[1:31:20] Basalt Sunday market on Midland Spur in
[1:31:22] Lions Park in downtown Basalt 2E
[1:31:25] resolution 19 series of 2026 resolution
[1:31:28] the town council of Basalt Colorado
[1:31:30] ratifying and approving an
[1:31:31] intergovernmental agreement for the
[1:31:33] operation administration and financial
[1:31:34] support of the picking county regional
[1:31:36] emergency dispatch center 2F is a
[1:31:39] reappointment of basalt public arts
[1:31:41] commission member mber reappointment of
[1:31:43] Liz Bell to the BPAC for a three-year
[1:31:45] term to expire April 14th, 2029. And
[1:31:49] last, item 2G, special event activity
[1:31:51] permit, food truck at 72 Sunset Drive. I
[1:31:55] would entertain a motion to approve the
[1:31:57] consent agenda items as presented.
[1:32:01] >> Mayor, I move that the town council
[1:32:03] approve the consent agenda items as
[1:32:05] presented.
[1:32:06] >> Second.
[1:32:07] >> It's been moved and seconded. All those
[1:32:09] in favor, please signify by saying I.
[1:32:11] Hi.
[1:32:12] >> Hi. Thank you. Um, next up we have our
[1:32:15] item three, which is the call to the
[1:32:17] public. Uh, just a reminder on this, um,
[1:32:20] if you, uh, are going to speak, you have
[1:32:22] three minutes, and you can address your
[1:32:24] comments directly to me. Uh, make sure
[1:32:26] you identify yourself by name and
[1:32:28] address and sign in the back of the
[1:32:29] room. Comments should be courteous,
[1:32:31] civil, and constructive. Um, town
[1:32:33] council will make no decision or take
[1:32:35] action except to direct the town
[1:32:37] manager. And, uh, we're going to have
[1:32:40] our timer set up. up and this is the
[1:32:41] last timing maybe
[1:32:46] >> I ever have to do
[1:32:50] » there is so uh if anyone wants
[1:32:53] >> anyone wants to come up to the podium
[1:32:56] floor's open
[1:32:58] >> hi
[1:32:59] >> you can start
[1:33:00] >> okay hi I'm Stacy Stokes and hopefully I
[1:33:03] won't be here for the next couple of
[1:33:04] months because I'll be out of town but I
[1:33:07] am here because a few years ago we moved
[1:33:10] to a property that is on Few Lane. It's
[1:33:13] a very dangerous street. It's not even a
[1:33:15] street. It's an alley. And I'm starting
[1:33:18] to lose my mind because the accidents
[1:33:21] that I see waiting to happen are
[1:33:23] horrible. Um, regardless, I want to put
[1:33:26] a few requests out there to you. I can
[1:33:28] follow up with an email. I've spoken to
[1:33:30] a few neighbors. But we need a slow
[1:33:32] children plane sign. We can't have
[1:33:35] little green men that fall down in the
[1:33:37] wind. They don't do any good. We need an
[1:33:39] absolute sign saying we've got kids
[1:33:41] playing. We need a speed limit sign
[1:33:44] saying 15 miles an hour. We need a
[1:33:46] street sign that says we are East View
[1:33:49] Lane because people drive around in
[1:33:50] circles trying to find East View Lane
[1:33:52] because we look like Basalt Avenue. Uh
[1:33:56] we need a stop sign at the end of Few
[1:33:58] Lane in Alexander where people fly right
[1:34:00] through. And let's see, the other thing
[1:34:03] is we I would like to see the straight
[1:34:05] at some point be made one way with a
[1:34:07] nice big 5-ft bike and safe pedestrian
[1:34:10] path that then can be used as emergency
[1:34:14] access within minutes if need be. Um
[1:34:17] because on to I mean I just feel like we
[1:34:20] need to be have a progressive vision
[1:34:22] about what we need to do with this road
[1:34:24] because it's scary and it's horrible and
[1:34:26] I I tell people all the time to slow
[1:34:28] down. And I'm probably like known of the
[1:34:29] pitch of F Lane by now because I walk
[1:34:31] there. But I'm scared about Mayor
[1:34:33] Wolfer's kids. I'm scared. She's scared.
[1:34:35] You know she's scared. She's talked to
[1:34:36] you. And unfortunately, people have lost
[1:34:39] the decorum to take good care of each
[1:34:41] other. On to
[1:34:44] the road that was supposed to be by big
[1:34:46] O. I'm going to implore you yet again to
[1:34:50] get with Picking County. Get with the
[1:34:53] state. Get with your people here. We've
[1:34:56] got to get another access in and out of
[1:34:58] Southside and Stosmill. You have to
[1:35:00] You've You've approved all this dense
[1:35:03] development thinking that was going to
[1:35:05] be there. It's not fair to those
[1:35:07] residents. That's grass up there. They
[1:35:10] don't have time to get out. For where I
[1:35:12] live, I can run to the river. They
[1:35:14] can't. And I guarantee you, if they got
[1:35:17] some sort of information with some evac
[1:35:20] plan that only has one way in and one
[1:35:22] way out, they might be in this meeting,
[1:35:24] too. asking you to put the road in that
[1:35:26] you were supposed to put in and we have
[1:35:29] to find the money to keep the residents
[1:35:31] over there safe or everything needs to
[1:35:33] stop before somebody dies and it's going
[1:35:35] to be a lot of people if it happens. So
[1:35:38] that's um that's all that I have to say
[1:35:43] and I will stop talking at some point
[1:35:45] about this but I think my points are
[1:35:48] valid. I think they're very important
[1:35:50] and I don't think people pay enough
[1:35:51] attention because like I said last time,
[1:35:53] they just want a home to raise their
[1:35:55] family in Stats Mill, but they need to
[1:35:58] be safe at the same time. Thank you all.
[1:36:00] >> Thank you,
[1:36:01] >> Stacey, for your comments.
[1:36:03] >> Perfect timing, too.
[1:36:07] » Look at that.
[1:36:08] >> Yeah, use the whole three minutes. All
[1:36:10] right. Uh,
[1:36:10] >> speak.
[1:36:12] >> Anyone else? Anyone else like to come up
[1:36:14] and speak for public comment?
[1:36:18] All right. Anybody online?
[1:36:22] » I don't see anybody raising their hand.
[1:36:24] So, going to move on to uh mayor and
[1:36:27] council reports and comments.
[1:36:32] » Well, I'm going to start real quick
[1:36:34] because this is probably one of the last
[1:36:35] times I can do this, but I would like to
[1:36:38] thank the police force. Um, you guys
[1:36:41] have done an amazing job over this last
[1:36:45] year, two years. Um, I just can't thank
[1:36:48] you guys enough.
[1:36:51] >> So, and then also Jordan left, but
[1:36:54] public works. Um, they had a big water
[1:36:57] valve change last week, two weeks ago,
[1:37:00] and uh, I went over talked to one of the
[1:37:01] guys. Just can't thank our public works
[1:37:04] department. Can't thank the staff. Can't
[1:37:05] thank everyone enough for this town. Um,
[1:37:09] just awesome. We're lucky to have all
[1:37:11] this great stuff.
[1:37:14] >> You're here. Thanks, Ryan.
[1:37:17] Anyone else?
[1:37:22] » Um, well, I'm not I might be remote the
[1:37:24] next meeting. So, I'm going to take this
[1:37:26] opportunity to say it in person. Thank
[1:37:27] you to Ryan and to Deer for their
[1:37:31] service. Uh, and congratulations to
[1:37:33] Angela who gets to keep her seat as well
[1:37:35] as our two new counselors uh that'll be
[1:37:36] coming on board. But specifically for
[1:37:39] tonight, um Ryan has given eight years
[1:37:42] uh to the town of assault and is only
[1:37:45] leaving because he's termed out.
[1:37:46] [laughter]
[1:37:49] Um and deer, you know, thank you. I
[1:37:51] think that um our police department, our
[1:37:54] public works, our town staff,
[1:37:55] everything. Um, this town wouldn't be
[1:37:57] the same, of course, without any of
[1:37:58] them, but it also wouldn't be the same
[1:38:00] if not for people like you who give
[1:38:03] their time to do this um job, this
[1:38:07] service. And so, thank you for your
[1:38:08] service.
[1:38:11] We'll miss you guys.
[1:38:14] [applause]
[1:38:21] Anyone else
[1:38:23] real quick? Um,
[1:38:26] you know, it's evenings like tonight
[1:38:27] where you have Tim Goodwin and Carl in
[1:38:31] here. It makes you appreciate what this
[1:38:33] community is really about. And I, you
[1:38:36] know, most of us don't forget that, but
[1:38:39] sometimes you need a reminder. And
[1:38:41] tonight was a nice reminder. So, thank
[1:38:44] all you that showed up and the young men
[1:38:47] on that football team for doing what
[1:38:50] they do. And with any luck at all,
[1:38:52] they'll stick around and become our
[1:38:54] future leaders.
[1:38:56] And you know, football's not the only
[1:38:58] activity that young men and young women
[1:39:00] and young people can engage in. There's
[1:39:03] a lot of it going on around here. And uh
[1:39:06] we need to support it as much as we can
[1:39:09] uh everywhere we can all the time. And
[1:39:12] uh I appreciate it because that's I was
[1:39:16] raised by guys like that and it makes a
[1:39:18] difference.
[1:39:20] So when you see him on the street, say
[1:39:22] hi. Same with these two that are
[1:39:25] leaving, don't forget about him.
[1:39:30] >> He's a big person. You can't forget
[1:39:31] about him.
[1:39:33] >> Thanks you guys for coming out
[1:39:36] everybody. Thanks, Rick.
[1:39:39] >> Anyone else?
[1:39:42] This community is so great and just
[1:39:44] nights like tonight remind me that there
[1:39:46] for just so many people in this
[1:39:48] community that are just giving so much
[1:39:51] of themselves and of their time and
[1:39:53] talents and um I [clears throat] don't
[1:39:55] want to raise my kids anywhere else.
[1:39:57] Thank you to everybody that's here
[1:39:59] >> for just for being a part of Basalt.
[1:40:03] >> It's so encouraging to know that there
[1:40:05] are communities like this.
[1:40:08] >> Sure.
[1:40:10] >> All right. Anyone else have anything to
[1:40:13] add?
[1:40:14] >> Any comments you said? These are like
[1:40:16] the most memorable comments of the year.
[1:40:18] [laughter]
[1:40:19] You're
[1:40:19] >> already crying by me.
[1:40:21] >> I know.
[1:40:24] >> Um, we'll move on uh to our next agenda
[1:40:27] item, which is the manager's report. Um,
[1:40:30] item five, which also includes 5A,
[1:40:32] police lieutenant pinning.
[1:40:33] >> Yes. I would like to start off my
[1:40:35] manager's report with the pinning
[1:40:38] ceremony for our new lieutenant, Travis
[1:40:40] St.
[1:40:42] [applause]
[1:40:49] Thank you all. Yeah, you're good right
[1:40:51] there. Um, I own a little proclamation
[1:40:54] since we're on that kick tonight. So,
[1:40:56] uh, to all who shall see these present
[1:40:58] greetings, know ye that reposing special
[1:41:00] trust and confidence in the fidelity and
[1:41:03] abilities of Sergeant Travis Still, I do
[1:41:05] appoint this officer a lieutenant for
[1:41:07] the town of Baal Police Department to
[1:41:10] rank as such from the 14th day of April,
[1:41:12] 2026.
[1:41:14] Effective with his appointment, you are
[1:41:15] charged to carefully and diligently
[1:41:17] execute the duties and responsibilities
[1:41:19] of a lieutenant. and I do strictly
[1:41:21] direct and require all personnel of
[1:41:23] lesser grade to render obedience to
[1:41:25] appropriate order. As a lieutenant, you
[1:41:28] must set the example for others to
[1:41:29] emulate. Your conduct and
[1:41:31] professionalism, both on and off duty,
[1:41:33] shall be above reproach. You are
[1:41:35] responsible for the accomplishment of
[1:41:37] your assigned mission statement and for
[1:41:39] this safety, professional development,
[1:41:41] and well-being of the officers in your
[1:41:43] agency. You will be the embodiment of
[1:41:45] our institutional core values of
[1:41:47] integrity, compassion, and
[1:41:49] professionalism. You will lead your
[1:41:51] officers with firmness, fairness, and
[1:41:52] dignity while observing and following
[1:41:54] the Constitution of the United States,
[1:41:56] the laws of the state of Colorado, and
[1:41:58] the ordinances and policies and
[1:42:00] procedures of the Town of Assault. Given
[1:42:02] under my hand at Town of Assault
[1:42:04] Colorado, this 14th day of April, 2026.
[1:42:08] Congratulations.
[1:42:10] [applause]
[1:42:17] To do uh to do the pinning, I'm going to
[1:42:19] have uh Travis's wife Christy and his
[1:42:21] two kids come up. They're right behind
[1:42:23] me. All right.
[1:42:26] >> You want to start with the batch? There
[1:42:27] you go.
[1:42:32] Excellent. [laughter]
[1:42:50] [applause]
[1:42:54] Baby
[1:43:09] » [applause]
[1:43:16] » You don't have to say anything. All
[1:43:17] right. Well, the other day I failed, so
[1:43:18] I'll just um I just I appreciate the uh
[1:43:24] vote of confidence to fill this role to
[1:43:27] assist you in leading our team, which is
[1:43:30] a phenomenal team.
[1:43:32] uh which is also in part due to support
[1:43:34] we get from you guys as council. So I'm
[1:43:37] super excited for this opportunity and
[1:43:39] thanks.
[1:43:41] >> Thank you.
[1:43:42] >> Awesome. Thank you. I APPRECIATE
[1:43:44] [applause]
[1:43:54] like a perma smile on my face right now.
[1:43:56] [laughter]
[1:43:59] » Good feelings. Yeah. Okay. I have more
[1:44:03] on my manager's report. Um [laughter]
[1:44:06] just wanted to report out that the
[1:44:08] >> bad news. [laughter] It's actually a
[1:44:11] good news. Um ebike safety working group
[1:44:14] um with RAFTA. Uh we attended last last
[1:44:17] week. Um and Basalt is joining Aspen's
[1:44:20] campaign in Go Slow Say hello. Um so
[1:44:23] you'll see more um more stuff coming out
[1:44:27] on Go Slow Say Hello. We're also
[1:44:29] evaluating how we can effectively
[1:44:33] uh regulate emotos. Um so that's
[1:44:36] something that we're working on with the
[1:44:37] school resource officer. So um we're
[1:44:40] also partnering right now with Eagle
[1:44:41] County to do a curbside chipping program
[1:44:43] to encourage residents to clean up their
[1:44:45] yards and reduce fire danger. Uh so this
[1:44:48] is funded through Eagle County but will
[1:44:49] serve the entire town of Basalt. Uh and
[1:44:52] pickup will start at the end of May. Um
[1:44:56] and then we received 10 proposals for
[1:44:58] the design and entitlement services for
[1:45:00] public service building and we will or
[1:45:03] we're actually calling it public service
[1:45:04] facility and we have a we will have a
[1:45:08] recommendation to you all by um April
[1:45:10] 28th we're doing um and then I wanted to
[1:45:13] remind everyone that Earth Day is next
[1:45:15] week. Um so we are hosting an Earth Day
[1:45:17] celebration. Um so that is on Wednesday,
[1:45:21] April 22nd from 12 to 6 pm. And um we'll
[1:45:26] have activities including guest
[1:45:27] speakers, um solar power exhibits,
[1:45:30] electric car demos, um and uh free
[1:45:34] composting bins, kids crafts, tree
[1:45:37] giveaways, [cough and clears throat]
[1:45:38] and a food and music. So um stop by from
[1:45:42] Yeah. from 12 to 6 on Earth Day. And you
[1:45:46] know, do you know offh hand what which
[1:45:48] time is the elementary school kids
[1:45:50] coming over? I know that's
[1:45:51] >> So they are going to be doing their
[1:45:52] performance at 12:30 p.m.
[1:45:54] >> 12:30. That's a that's a good one.
[1:45:57] >> It's all good. But that's a really
[1:45:59] >> Yes.
[1:46:01] >> All right. That is my manager's report.
[1:46:04] >> All right. Great.
[1:46:06] >> Thank you, Gloria. So, we are going to
[1:46:08] move back into presentations uh and to
[1:46:11] 6C, which is a presentation on Cavern
[1:46:14] Springs Mobile Home Park and John Fox
[1:46:17] Rubin.
[1:46:18] >> Sir, if I might, um we do have our
[1:46:20] translator available this evening.
[1:46:22] >> Okay. [clears throat]
[1:46:27] » And yeah, if anybody else wants to come
[1:46:29] up and and be up here at the front uh
[1:46:31] with the mics, they're
[1:46:33] >> more than welcome to.
[1:46:38] » [clears throat]
[1:46:39] >> Thank you everyone. We're just getting
[1:46:40] prepared.
[1:46:49] » Well, I haven't seen some of you in a
[1:46:51] while. I've sat in your chairs a long
[1:46:53] time ago when Rick Stevens was the
[1:46:56] mayor. And
[1:46:59] I'm here for one of the issues that we
[1:47:00] worked on back then, which is preserving
[1:47:03] community through mobile home parks.
[1:47:06] And tonight we just want to share with
[1:47:08] you what we're doing around Cavern
[1:47:09] Springs Mobile Home Park.
[1:47:14] » We've got
[1:47:16] um couple folks here that live in Cavern
[1:47:19] Springs. Monica Mun is the vice
[1:47:22] president of the Soress Mountain
[1:47:25] Collective, which is the organization
[1:47:27] they've formed to try to become a
[1:47:30] residentowned community. and
[1:47:32] [clears throat] her colleague here,
[1:47:35] Anadina Garcia, is going to speak and
[1:47:38] share her story. And then Enid Richie,
[1:47:42] who is another member of Mountain Voices
[1:47:44] Project, Mountain Voices Project, she's
[1:47:47] going to tell you a little bit about
[1:47:48] what it is for those of you that don't
[1:47:49] know, has been involved throughout the
[1:47:52] community with other mobile home
[1:47:54] communities that are at threat of being
[1:47:57] um displaced, etc. So, those are the
[1:48:01] people that are going to speak tonight.
[1:48:03] Monica's going to go first
[1:48:05] there.
[1:48:12] » Just pull it. Yeah. Speak into it.
[1:48:14] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:48:16] >> Hello. My name is Monica Monise.
[1:48:20] I am the vice president of the Sus
[1:48:22] Mountain Collective, which represents
[1:48:24] the residents of Cavern Springs
[1:48:26] community. just next to Habitat Restore
[1:48:30] on this side of Glennwood Springs. There
[1:48:32] are 98 families. Several have lived here
[1:48:35] for over 30 years. There are uh 260
[1:48:40] uh residents, children, disabled
[1:48:43] children, and adult senior citizens and
[1:48:45] veterans.
[1:48:47] Um 22 of our residents work in Basalt
[1:48:50] and 14 of them al work in Elabel.
[1:48:54] [clears throat]
[1:48:55] My husband and I moved to the Royin Fork
[1:48:56] Valley in 1998 and then moved to uh the
[1:49:00] Cavern Springs um which at that time was
[1:49:02] called HL Lazf in 1991 raising our
[1:49:06] daughter and caregiving our my special
[1:49:09] needs brother.
[1:49:11] We enjoy our view of Mount Srris
[1:49:14] from our home and our garden and the
[1:49:16] longtime connections and the new ones we
[1:49:19] have developed in our community.
[1:49:21] I own a small business in Carbondale and
[1:49:24] I have served on the Royan Fork Resource
[1:49:26] Center board. I enjoy uh volunteering in
[1:49:29] community events in the Royan Fork
[1:49:30] Valley.
[1:49:32] Thank you for your time.
[1:49:34] >> Thank you.
[1:49:34] And I'm going to This is
[1:49:37] Inadina Garcia and she'll speak.
[1:49:45] » [clears throat]
[1:49:46] >> is Garcia
[1:49:57] Spring.
[1:50:43] Yes.
[1:50:59] They
[1:51:19] spring.
[1:51:29] Kilo
[1:51:48] fresco.
[1:51:54] AJesa.
[1:52:20] Colleen
[1:52:42] [clears throat]
[1:52:50] Audencia
[1:52:53] Pimar.
[1:52:56] Um
[1:53:12] seasoning device.
[1:53:28] The interpreter would just request one
[1:53:29] moment because that was a little
[1:53:31] >> good. You're good introduction.
[1:53:54] Good evening. My name is Anedita Garcia.
[1:53:58] I've
[1:54:01] lived in the valley for 26 years and
[1:54:04] I've lived in Cavern Springs for five
[1:54:06] and a half years. I have three children.
[1:54:10] I have one uh who serves in the US Army.
[1:54:14] He's been there for five years
[1:54:16] and he comes to the area about three
[1:54:21] times a year. Comes uh about three or
[1:54:26] twice a year. And whenever he comes
[1:54:28] back, he comes back to Cavern Springs.
[1:54:30] And we always celebrate when he comes
[1:54:33] back and visits.
[1:54:36] His desire is to be able to have his own
[1:54:39] family back in Cavern Springs at some
[1:54:42] point in the future.
[1:54:44] And
[1:54:46] we're fighting to be able to retain our
[1:54:49] home and our community.
[1:54:52] I also have another son who is a plumber
[1:54:55] in the Basalt area for a company and
[1:54:58] based out of Basalt.
[1:55:01] Um and I myself have worked uh for six
[1:55:06] years also in the basalt area.
[1:55:11] Um, we have um
[1:55:14] our home is uh very calm and
[1:55:19] our family enjoys living in the area
[1:55:23] um in Cavern Springs because um well, I
[1:55:27] really enjoy it because it's close to
[1:55:28] work and and it's very calm and and safe
[1:55:34] and tranquil.
[1:55:36] [clears throat]
[1:55:37] >> I have an tree in my patio. It's very
[1:55:40] fresh. It's very fresh in my patio. Um
[1:55:45] uh that I uh upkeep during the
[1:55:47] summertime
[1:55:49] and
[1:55:50] I've had the opportunity to be able to
[1:55:52] get to know my neighbors better because
[1:55:55] of work. And we're currently uh pursuing
[1:56:02] the uh the ability to be able to
[1:56:05] establish a residence in our community.
[1:56:09] Uh just this past weekend we had our
[1:56:13] fifth
[1:56:14] uh community collective just last
[1:56:16] weekend and we were uh
[1:56:21] between all of us there's um we were
[1:56:25] able to make about 5,000 tamales and we
[1:56:30] were able to raise about $6,000
[1:56:33] and that's money that we planned uh on
[1:56:37] using those funds to be able to pay for
[1:56:39] the upcoming expenses that we have with
[1:56:42] the preliminary preliminary hearing.
[1:56:45] Um there are other residents in the area
[1:56:48] uh some of which are uh elder
[1:56:52] and encompasses also uh young
[1:56:55] individuals and children.
[1:56:58] Um thank you for your time and for
[1:57:01] listening to part of my story.
[1:57:06] » Thank you.
[1:57:16] Good evening. I am Enid Richie, a Basalt
[1:57:19] resident for the past 9.5 years. I
[1:57:23] joined my daughter and her family in the
[1:57:25] Roaring Fork Valley. She has been a
[1:57:28] teacher at Basalt Elementary. Her
[1:57:30] husband works for Sko. Both my
[1:57:33] grandchildren are currently attending
[1:57:36] BHS.
[1:57:37] Not knowing anyone in the valley except
[1:57:40] my family, I reached out as a volunteer
[1:57:43] in the following organizations.
[1:57:46] A tutor in English in action, a library
[1:57:49] board member for six years and currently
[1:57:52] a library trust member. As a
[1:57:55] representative of English in action, I
[1:57:58] became a leader in Mountain Voices
[1:58:00] project early in it in its inception. I
[1:58:05] continue to volunteer in each
[1:58:07] organization.
[1:58:08] Tonight, I'm here on behalf of Mountain
[1:58:12] Voices Project. MVP is a regional
[1:58:16] organization from Aspen to parachute
[1:58:19] consisting of 20 organizational members
[1:58:23] from faith, nonprofit and community
[1:58:26] sectors to address civic issues. Early
[1:58:30] on we had structured small groups group
[1:58:34] community conversations
[1:58:36] where deep concerns bubbled up. We took
[1:58:39] action.
[1:58:41] Examples are MVP was instrumental in the
[1:58:45] early childhood tax initiative on both
[1:58:48] the ballot and its successful passing
[1:58:52] during COVID. A housing crisis occurred.
[1:58:56] Tenants were unable to pay rent due to
[1:59:00] the clo the US closing down during the
[1:59:03] pandemic. Property owners were unable to
[1:59:07] pay their property bills. Uh um and we
[1:59:12] helped them both the um renters and the
[1:59:16] property owners to find the money they
[1:59:19] needed to survive through the pandemic.
[1:59:22] Currently we are dealing with a
[1:59:24] different community issue regarding
[1:59:26] housing. The next speaker
[1:59:30] uh John will clarify the issue and the
[1:59:33] needs.
[1:59:36] >> Thank you.
[1:59:37] >> Thanks Enid.
[1:59:39] >> [clears throat]
[1:59:40] >> I also want to recognize Ellen Dubet in
[1:59:42] the audience here. She's a member of
[1:59:45] Mountain Voices Project as a leader from
[1:59:47] the Snow Mass Chapel. We have leaders
[1:59:49] [clears throat] throughout the community
[1:59:50] from our member organizations. My member
[1:59:53] organization is the Aspen Jewish
[1:59:55] Congregation. So, I act as a leader and
[1:59:58] bring their perspective to our community
[2:00:00] conversations.
[2:00:02] The
[2:00:03] thing that you may not know about me, a
[2:00:06] lot of you probably don't. Rick, my I I
[2:00:08] lived in Aspen Village when I was seven
[2:00:11] years old for a few years and it was a
[2:00:13] wonderful experience and that's probably
[2:00:15] what where my passion for preserving
[2:00:18] mobile home communities came from.
[2:00:21] Historically, they've been a very
[2:00:22] affordable a market-based affordable
[2:00:24] solution for housing in this community.
[2:00:27] There are over 50 mobile home parks
[2:00:30] between Parachute and Aspen. And about
[2:00:32] 25% of the people you see, or maybe you
[2:00:35] don't see, but that do the work for us
[2:00:39] with us live in mobile homes in this
[2:00:42] community.
[2:00:44] We are concerned that the privatization,
[2:00:49] the hedge funds, the private equity
[2:00:50] funds that have been pretty active are
[2:00:53] getting even more active. There's an
[2:00:55] article in the paper recently about
[2:00:56] seven parks from Rifle to Grand Junction
[2:00:59] that all got purchased by one entity.
[2:01:02] That's really challenging because if you
[2:01:05] live in one of those parks and the rents
[2:01:06] go up, you don't really have another
[2:01:09] place to go. Even with the legislation
[2:01:12] that's been advancing in the state, the
[2:01:14] state has been very proactive in trying
[2:01:16] to make a difference here. But the
[2:01:18] legislation is not quite there. So,
[2:01:20] Mountain Voices Project has also been
[2:01:22] involved in some policy papers to help
[2:01:25] strengthen the legislation and there's
[2:01:27] two bills that are that are being pushed
[2:01:29] right now that would continue to help
[2:01:31] strengthen it, but it's still not there.
[2:01:33] And meanwhile, Cavern Springs has this
[2:01:36] is the second time they've been sold
[2:01:38] under the new opportunity to purchase
[2:01:40] law. I worked with them the first time
[2:01:43] they got the notice in 2019
[2:01:46] and they were being sold for $18 million
[2:01:49] and we couldn't come up with the
[2:01:51] financing to keep the rents at all from
[2:01:53] doubling and so the residents turned
[2:01:55] that opportunity down. There was not
[2:01:58] wide community support for that. Today
[2:02:00] there's a lot more community support.
[2:02:02] We've already received some community
[2:02:04] support from some municipalities. Pigan
[2:02:07] County is weighing in on it tomorrow. We
[2:02:09] presented in front of Garfield County
[2:02:11] and to be determined if we can get
[2:02:14] anything from them. However, their
[2:02:16] housing authority is potentially
[2:02:19] participating as a special limited
[2:02:21] partner which would allow for property
[2:02:23] tax abatement. So, we're really trying
[2:02:24] to weave together the right equity that
[2:02:29] would come in as a subsidy and the right
[2:02:31] lending from what's called a CDFI
[2:02:33] lender, community development financial
[2:02:35] institution lender. There's a company
[2:02:37] called Rock USA which is the primary
[2:02:39] lender that helped the two parks already
[2:02:41] in this comm actually three in this
[2:02:42] community. Basalt Carbondale and one in
[2:02:44] Glenwood already. And so we're hoping to
[2:02:47] follow that with with them and another
[2:02:49] one called IDF Impact Development Fund
[2:02:51] out of the Front Range that has been
[2:02:53] active in a couple of the the capital
[2:02:55] stacks in our community. So the reason
[2:02:58] we're here tonight is just to educate
[2:02:59] you, let you know what we're up to.
[2:03:01] Mountain Voices Project has also created
[2:03:04] a fund at the Aspen Community Foundation
[2:03:06] that funds uh legal support for
[2:03:09] residents like Cavern Springs, but also
[2:03:11] for other communities. We our goal at
[2:03:13] Mountain Voices Project is not to be
[2:03:15] solving this one at a time, but it's to
[2:03:17] really to get things like a tax
[2:03:20] initiative that can cover preservation
[2:03:23] of communities. There's a there's a fund
[2:03:25] called the Prop 123 fund at the state
[2:03:27] level that is designed for preservation
[2:03:31] and construction of new affordable
[2:03:32] housing. But in the Colorado Sun
[2:03:35] recently, there was an article that only
[2:03:36] point two or was it actually 0.02% of
[2:03:40] the funds in Prop 123 have gone towards
[2:03:43] preserving existing units. And when you
[2:03:46] look at the bang for your buck, your ROI
[2:03:48] on preserving units, in this case, we're
[2:03:51] looking for about a $8 million total
[2:03:54] community investment for approximately
[2:03:57] 100 mobile homes. So that's $80,000 per
[2:04:00] mobile home saved from
[2:04:04] uncertain future and most likely
[2:04:07] doubling rents if the Cavern Springs
[2:04:10] residents do not prevail in purchasing
[2:04:11] and becoming a residentowned community.
[2:04:14] So, that's pretty much why we're here
[2:04:16] today is to let you know what we're up
[2:04:18] to. And we'd love support in raising
[2:04:22] this capital. We're talking to
[2:04:23] businesses. We're talking to
[2:04:25] philanthropists. We're also looking at
[2:04:27] creating a loan fund where people who
[2:04:30] may not be able to donate but could put
[2:04:32] some of their capital into a a loan fund
[2:04:35] that would probably be managed by
[2:04:37] another CDFI or a local institution
[2:04:40] where your money would only earn 3% per
[2:04:43] year, but that's a possibility as well.
[2:04:45] So, we're trying to be very creative to
[2:04:47] finance this this community. Any
[2:04:50] questions?
[2:04:52] >> And I don't know what was in your
[2:04:53] packet. Did you end up putting in the
[2:04:55] slide deck in the pack? Okay.
[2:04:57] Yeah.
[2:04:58] >> Yeah.
[2:04:58] So, you can review that and if you
[2:05:00] have questions, we're more than happy to answer.
[2:05:02] >> This is this is good kind of getting the
[2:05:04] um the talk track over because you
[2:05:05] already read the slides, but kind of
[2:05:07] getting the commentary I think is
[2:05:08] important. I mean, like I I read that
[2:05:11] Colorado Sun article as well. And that's
[2:05:13] what just struck me is, you know, it
[2:05:16] with limited resources for affordable
[2:05:18] housing, what can we do? And this is I'm
[2:05:21] not asking you to see you have a great
[2:05:24] idea, but like we need to change the the
[2:05:27] focus to be a little more balanced
[2:05:29] between existing housing and
[2:05:31] construction. It seems like there's a
[2:05:33] lot of a push a lot of a push like let's
[2:05:35] do have nonprofits be able to develop
[2:05:37] inexpensively. Let's you know density
[2:05:40] your transit that's great. We also have
[2:05:43] a lot of housing that's um kind of
[2:05:46] affordable by design that we need to
[2:05:49] preserve. Yeah,
[2:05:50] >> it's going to be a lot more um
[2:05:53] expeditious and efficient with money to
[2:05:56] make that uh stay affordable. And that's
[2:05:58] what just kind of
[2:06:00] >> confounds me is why we're not focusing
[2:06:03] on that more. Um so I don't know. I mean
[2:06:06] that's kind of a rhetorical question of
[2:06:08] sorts, but
[2:06:09] >> that's that's what strikes me with this
[2:06:11] because I mean Cavern Springs is one of many like you said was it 50
[2:06:16] >> 40 50 to parachute. I would say about 8
[2:06:19] to 10 have been preserved. So when I say
[2:06:21] 50, it includes Smuggler Mobile Home
[2:06:23] Park in Aspen.
[2:06:24] >> And so as you get closer down here,
[2:06:27] almost all of them have been preserved
[2:06:28] one way or another. Either it's RORO or,
[2:06:31] you know, Woody Creek is actually a
[2:06:32] metro district that that manages it in
[2:06:35] manages it instead of an HOA. Um, you
[2:06:38] know, over here we're lucky there's a
[2:06:39] land use restriction on the Roaring Fork
[2:06:41] mobile home park, but that's been slated
[2:06:44] for development a couple times when a
[2:06:46] developer bought the parcel. And I don't
[2:06:48] know the the current status of it. I
[2:06:50] know that's something of long-term
[2:06:52] interest for you all as well is how do
[2:06:55] we balance the needs there?
[2:06:58] >> Thanks.
[2:07:01] Other questions or comments for the
[2:07:05] team here? Thank you for taking the time
[2:07:08] to come out and share about your
[2:07:10] community to let us know what you're
[2:07:12] doing to preserve it.
[2:07:16] >> Are there specific things like there,
[2:07:18] you know, web pages, social media, like
[2:07:21] you know, the things that we can do to,
[2:07:23] you know, help?
[2:07:24] >> Yeah, the the
[2:07:27] what is it called? The housing justice
[2:07:30] fund. It's a special interest fund at
[2:07:33] the Aspen Community Foundation. We have
[2:07:37] readily raised over $100,000 with small
[2:07:40] donations already to that. And so that's a great thing where anyone in the
[2:07:45] community can play a role not just for
[2:07:48] Cavern Springs, but for the ongoing work
[2:07:50] that's that's going to need to occur.
[2:07:53] We are going to be talking to
[2:07:54] businesses. We're just starting the kind
[2:07:56] of the the philanthropic side. We've
[2:07:58] been working pretty heavily on the
[2:08:00] municipal side with commitments from
[2:08:02] Carbondale, Snow Mass Village,
[2:08:06] town of or city of Glennwood Springs,
[2:08:09] city of Aspen has said yes to some
[2:08:11] amount there. They haven't determined
[2:08:12] the amount yet. And then picking county
[2:08:14] and Eagle County will be approaching as
[2:08:17] well. So we're now that those are those
[2:08:19] conversations are in flight with
[2:08:20] different communities.
[2:08:22] We our target there is about $6 million
[2:08:25] and and April Long of the West Mountain
[2:08:27] Regional Housing Coalition is going to
[2:08:31] manage the municipal and county piece of
[2:08:33] the work as she's done before and has
[2:08:35] done, you know, an incredible job with
[2:08:37] that. And then we're going to tap our
[2:08:39] networks for the business community. And
[2:08:41] the business community rose to the
[2:08:43] challenge last time and it's very hard
[2:08:46] on the heels of that for for all of us
[2:08:48] to, you know, to just keep keep doing
[2:08:49] it. Um, so we're gonna we're trying to
[2:08:51] expand that business community network.
[2:08:56] >> Good.
[2:08:56] >> So any anything you can do and touch
[2:08:58] base with me if you have ideas and we're
[2:09:00] trying to be creative and keep it moving
[2:09:02] forward. You know, we've we've talked
[2:09:03] with RAFTA, we've talked with all sorts
[2:09:05] of interested organizations that that
[2:09:07] have already invested in affordable
[2:09:08] housing. And, you know, we're we're
[2:09:10] looking at flexible ways for things like
[2:09:13] buying the opportunity if a if a mobile
[2:09:16] home needs to be sold for a business to
[2:09:18] be able to purchase it for their staff.
[2:09:21] Uh, which which actually worked with
[2:09:23] Garfield County and Habitat for
[2:09:25] Humanity. That approach helped Garfield
[2:09:27] County get their first affordable
[2:09:29] housing units that were paid for by the
[2:09:31] government, which was a big
[2:09:33] [clears throat] big step for them.
[2:09:36] >> Yeah.
[2:09:37] I actually watched the RAFTA
[2:09:39] presentation and I was really interested
[2:09:41] by coming up with creative ways to try
[2:09:43] and figure out more pieces to that
[2:09:47] capital stack. And I just want to say
[2:09:49] thank you for being here, Monica and
[2:09:50] Elena. Gracias.
[2:09:54] Your stories are important to hear. And
[2:10:03] in partic
[2:10:10] and I know we're we're in a tight place
[2:10:13] for funding, but I think thinking
[2:10:15] creatively and trying to see where we
[2:10:17] can help um elevate your stories is
[2:10:20] really important.
[2:10:23] Every bit helps. Thank you so much.
[2:10:25] >> Thank you.
[2:10:26] so much for your time tonight.
[2:10:29] >> Thanks for coming out. Good luck.
[2:10:36] All right,
[2:10:38] we have uh council actions next and the
[2:10:42] first one and the only one is item 7A
[2:10:44] which is a resolution number 20 series
[2:10:46] of 2026 resolution of the town council
[2:10:48] of the town of Basalt, Colorado
[2:10:50] allocating funds from the town's
[2:10:51] short-term rental regulatory fee and
[2:10:53] lodging tax fund toward acquisition of a
[2:10:56] deed restriction on a free market unit
[2:10:58] at 720 Lakeside Drive in partnership
[2:11:01] with Eagle County and James you're up
[2:11:04] for this one.
[2:11:04] >> Yeah, thank you. Uh, as the mayor
[2:11:06] indicated, this item is a resolution to
[2:11:09] allocate funds to participate in a buy
[2:11:11] down of a deed restriction uh, in
[2:11:14] partnership with Eagle County on the
[2:11:16] free market unit at 720 Lakeside Drive.
[2:11:19] Uh the council previously approved the
[2:11:22] framework for a prior buy down potential
[2:11:25] uh that didn't go through at that time
[2:11:26] and now uh we have this new opportunity
[2:11:30] at 720 uh Lakeside Drive. Uh the town's
[2:11:34] contribution would be 97,500
[2:11:38] uh which equates to 15% of the purchase
[2:11:42] price. Uh and Eagle County would be
[2:11:44] putting in 15% of the purchase price as
[2:11:47] well. Uh the resolution would allocate
[2:11:51] approximately 80,000 from the town's
[2:11:53] short-term regulatory fee uh which is
[2:11:56] what we have uh gained this year from
[2:11:59] the regulatory fee. And then the
[2:12:01] remainder would be made up uh from the
[2:12:04] additional lodging tax funds uh that
[2:12:07] were uh granted by the voters uh this
[2:12:09] past uh election. Um and so staff
[2:12:14] believes that this is a good opportunity
[2:12:16] to increase uh the number of uh buy
[2:12:20] downs that we have uh in the uh town of
[2:12:23] Basalt. Uh it is within the town's
[2:12:26] boundaries. Uh so staff would suggest uh approving the resolution uh to
[2:12:33] allocate the funds towards the buy down
[2:12:36] uh so that we can participate with Eagle
[2:12:39] County in this buy down scenario. Jeff,
[2:12:43] do you have anything to add? We've been
[2:12:45] working uh with Eagle County staff um on
[2:12:49] kind of the framework of the buy down a
[2:12:51] bit and so we're we're still kind of
[2:12:54] talking to them about that, but staff
[2:12:56] would suggest uh allocating the funds.
[2:13:00] >> Yeah, I think you covered it.
[2:13:05] » How does that work on the
[2:13:09] p the purchase of the unit? I assume
[2:13:11] this unit is for sale.
[2:13:14] Person who wants to buy it has applied
[2:13:16] for the benefit is getting the benefit
[2:13:18] and then what is their role and
[2:13:21] responsibility beyond that other than to
[2:13:23] just sign it off as a restricted unit.
[2:13:26] Do they still have to come up with 20%
[2:13:28] of the down that's left or how does that
[2:13:31] all
[2:13:31] >> uh you know in terms of you know what
[2:13:34] would the buyer have to come up with in
[2:13:37] for down payment and so forth? I think
[2:13:40] it might vary. I don't know that it's
[2:13:42] prescribed.
[2:13:44] Harper might be the best one to answer
[2:13:45] this having gone through this but or all
[2:13:48] the way to the you have a near finish
[2:13:51] line. I don't know. Do you want to can
[2:13:53] you help with that a little bit?
[2:14:01] » Yeah. So
[2:14:03] trying to re recollect my um memory but
[2:14:06] I think the um the buy down is it's 30%.
[2:14:12] So the buyers
[2:14:14] has to put in at least 3% of their own
[2:14:18] funds
[2:14:20] and however they come up with that is up
[2:14:22] to them. But um typically the good deeds
[2:14:26] program requires that the the buyer put
[2:14:29] in some of their own equity so that they
[2:14:32] have some teeth in it. Um and then and
[2:14:35] then between Eagle and the Town of
[2:14:37] Assault, then they provide the rest of
[2:14:38] the
[2:14:40] um of the funds for the initial down
[2:14:43] payment.
[2:14:44] >> And and I think it's a 3 to 5% uh range
[2:14:48] for the actual purchaser to put down and
[2:14:51] it's on a case-byase basis. It's my my
[2:14:54] understanding. And then Eagle County and
[2:14:57] the town in exchange for the down
[2:14:59] payment get the deed restriction to
[2:15:01] prefer preserve the affordability of the
[2:15:03] unit.
[2:15:06] » And it comes with a 3% appreciation cap
[2:15:10] on an annual basis and a requirement
[2:15:12] that they be a full-time employee the
[2:15:15] next purchaser as well.
[2:15:18] I had a question on on on the funding
[2:15:20] source to see if a a different scenario
[2:15:24] we could perhaps explore. I know in the
[2:15:26] past um we had had a hundred,000
[2:15:30] um from the Balt forward 2030 money
[2:15:33] budgeted for I think even last year um
[2:15:36] budgeted for uh deed buyowns. Um, and
[2:15:41] that that was a a sticking point with
[2:15:44] West Mountain as far as a contribution
[2:15:46] because it could only be used within um,
[2:15:49] you know, because of the ballot language
[2:15:50] only could be used within the town
[2:15:51] limits. Um, so what I would I would like
[2:15:56] to explore is looking at taking
[2:15:59] if we didn't use that 100,000 last year.
[2:16:02] [clears throat]
[2:16:02] Um, and we I think we were considering
[2:16:04] that for the last deed buy down, even
[2:16:06] that 100,000
[2:16:07] using that for this purchase and the and
[2:16:11] the funds that we have from the
[2:16:12] short-term rental fees and lodging tax
[2:16:14] because they have greater flexibility,
[2:16:16] could we use that instead for um West
[2:16:20] Mountain Regional Housing Coalition and
[2:16:22] like a regional um effort because that's
[2:16:26] going to be recurring. Um we're a member
[2:16:28] and you know I know Angel and now you
[2:16:31] Gloria sit on on that board representing
[2:16:32] BAL but I'm also there for RAFTA. So, I
[2:16:34] know that um you know, we don't kind of
[2:16:38] have a free and completely free and
[2:16:40] clear um funding source for them at this
[2:16:43] up until this point, but we could use
[2:16:45] this money for that and we could use um
[2:16:49] basalt for 2030 money potentially for uh
[2:16:53] for this deed bite down because that's
[2:16:55] important too, but it's in the town
[2:16:56] limits, so it would fit better. Um I
[2:16:59] wanted to see if that was feasible and what what others thought. Well, and
[2:17:04] so for a while we've been telling West
[2:17:07] Mountain, oh, we can't give more. Our
[2:17:08] hands are tied because this money sits
[2:17:11] in a pot that is tied to this ballot
[2:17:13] language. And so it has to be used
[2:17:14] within the boundary of basalt.
[2:17:17] And so and and David and I, you know,
[2:17:20] are in agreement on this that
[2:17:22] why not use that money that is so
[2:17:25] restricted for this specific purpose for
[2:17:28] which it was intended and free up the
[2:17:30] other funds, the STR and the lodging
[2:17:32] funds that aren't as restricted for
[2:17:36] other use to, you know, it can be what
[2:17:38] we give to West Mountain as our annual
[2:17:41] commitment because then it can be used
[2:17:43] outside of the boundaries of assault. I
[2:17:45] think that makes a lot I think that
[2:17:47] makes a lot of sense.
[2:17:48] >> Doug has some opinions on the [laughter]
[2:17:51] >> or Jeff about like the specific uses of
[2:17:53] funds and the where they are in the
[2:17:55] ballot language and
[2:17:58] >> I'll let you speak to where this money
[2:18:01] lives in the budget. I can speak to the
[2:18:02] restrictions, but go ahead.
[2:18:04] >> Yeah, I mean I think um it's not really
[2:18:06] in my opinion. I think it's like the
[2:18:08] it's true that the ordinance for the
[2:18:09] short-term regulatory fees can be used
[2:18:12] for at the sole discretion of council.
[2:18:14] So it's quite a wide aperture on how the
[2:18:17] funds can be used. I believe that's
[2:18:19] similar to the lodging tax as well. And
[2:18:22] it is true that we have about right now
[2:18:25] 83,000 or so collected in short-term
[2:18:28] regulatory fees. We have that in the
[2:18:30] books and I'm anticipating that we would
[2:18:33] likely get somewhere between two to
[2:18:35] $250,000 of additional lodging taxes for
[2:18:38] the 2% lift that we received in the
[2:18:41] fall. So those those
[2:18:42] >> I [clears throat] feel pretty good about
[2:18:43] those numbers. I would caution the uh
[2:18:47] using the the basalt forward money is
[2:18:49] really the bond money. Uh we had taxable
[2:18:51] and a tax exempt offering. The tax
[2:18:54] exempt money for the bonds went for
[2:18:56] Midland. The taxable bond offering went
[2:18:58] for affordable housing in green. And
[2:19:01] this council um had and this was before
[2:19:05] me um I think had some sort of
[2:19:08] allocation that 25% of that should go to
[2:19:10] green and 75% should go to affordable
[2:19:13] housing. So we really been dividing up
[2:19:14] the money in my mind 75% affordable 25%
[2:19:19] green. So right now I would say to you
[2:19:22] that we we do have money uh in the bond
[2:19:24] taxable bond money to use for this
[2:19:26] purpose. Uh my caution would be is that
[2:19:29] we're looking at funding parcel nine.
[2:19:32] Parcel 9 rugby field has 16 units has a
[2:19:35] funding gap of potentially $8 million
[2:19:40] and um and that's you know
[2:19:44] [clears throat] could be more could be
[2:19:45] less but it's looking look looking at
[2:19:47] now there's two different people looked
[2:19:49] at the same time and both came up with
[2:19:51] $8 million. So I'm thinking you know
[2:19:53] it's probably going to be $8 million. So
[2:19:56] it would be good to use in my view of
[2:19:58] closing that gap the bond money and that
[2:20:01] bond money would be parcel 9. Now if you
[2:20:02] use the bond money this as we're
[2:20:04] referring to as bought forward money for
[2:20:07] this deed buy down that's just another
[2:20:10] $100,000 or so you won't have. So that
[2:20:13] would be just laying it out. That's how
[2:20:15] I would view it. It's up it's up to it's
[2:20:17] council's decision about how it's used.
[2:20:19] Just kind those are all the facts as I
[2:20:22] see the field. Well, it's not
[2:20:23] necessarily money we wouldn't have
[2:20:25] because we could then apply STR and
[2:20:27] lodging tax money to parcel 9 as well.
[2:20:30] >> That's true. And money money is
[2:20:31] fungeible. That's true.
[2:20:32] >> I guess that's our point is that the
[2:20:34] bond money is highly restrictive.
[2:20:36] >> It is.
[2:20:37] >> Whereas the other revenue sources are
[2:20:39] less so. So if we have a kind of rare
[2:20:43] opportunity to apply the bond money I I
[2:20:47] don't know
[2:20:48] >> within the town limits which obviously
[2:20:50] pal 9 is too parcel 9 is as well but
[2:20:54] I guess you know I've been sitting in
[2:20:56] West Mountain meetings for in these
[2:20:58] meetings for two years and we've been
[2:21:00] saying we wish we could do more but we
[2:21:02] can't because this bond money can't be
[2:21:05] used outside you know and then here we
[2:21:08] are using other funds
[2:21:10] >> to fund exactly what we have been
[2:21:13] waiting for the opportunity to use the
[2:21:15] bond money to fund.
[2:21:16] >> So it's also just a little bit
[2:21:18] contradictory, you know, to what we've
[2:21:20] been saying.
[2:21:22] >> I I would agree. I mean, and that was
[2:21:24] one of the big re I mean reasons I
[2:21:26] wanted to support and I supported the
[2:21:28] short-term rental fee is I wanted to
[2:21:30] have another lever, another source to
[2:21:33] use at the uh the regional level. I
[2:21:36] mean, that was that was a big driver for
[2:21:38] that. I I don't think I'm the only one.
[2:21:40] Um, in that case, I I know we're going
[2:21:43] to we we have a gap. We're going to have
[2:21:45] to find a partner. I mean, and we're
[2:21:47] probably going to talk about that at
[2:21:48] some point, but I this is again it comes
[2:21:51] to that balance too of, you know,
[2:21:52] building versus um preserving existing
[2:21:56] >> as well. And I think to relate it just
[2:21:59] Jeff opinion this was again my view is
[2:22:03] that you know I don't believe it's been
[2:22:05] written anywhere that that arbit it was
[2:22:07] somewhat arbitrary how the the money was
[2:22:09] divvied up between green and affordable
[2:22:10] balancing I don't think that's really
[2:22:11] ordained anywhere and I think the bond
[2:22:13] offering uh contemplated the construct
[2:22:16] of both of them and did not specifically
[2:22:18] call out that money. We have had we have
[2:22:21] had one green project and that was the
[2:22:24] installation of the solar roofs at the
[2:22:26] basically the high school and the middle
[2:22:28] school
[2:22:28] >> and we're not we don't have anything on
[2:22:30] deck to to use that money for the
[2:22:33] question% of the bond money.
[2:22:35] >> Exactly. So could we use the green money
[2:22:37] >> and I and again that's not a decision
[2:22:39] for me to make but that would that would
[2:22:41] open up the
[2:22:42] >> that would open up the available
[2:22:45] >> that's over my hands too. It's all good.
[2:22:46] >> Can't steal the green money.
[2:22:48] So that's that's my plan.
[2:22:50] >> The green money.
[2:22:51] >> Why?
[2:22:53] >> No, but
[2:22:54] >> I get um
[2:22:55] >> but just removing the money. Like it's
[2:22:57] like this is such semantics.
[2:22:59] >> Like I get it. I'm sure we can figure it
[2:23:02] out on the back end. I think we all
[2:23:04] agree on it. We're going to talk
[2:23:07] ourselves in a circle.
[2:23:09] I I I would say whatever you want. We'll
[2:23:12] tell Doug he'll get it done and we'll
[2:23:14] vote on it. Let's go there
[2:23:17] >> on the on the bond money. I'd have to go
[2:23:20] back and [clears throat] look at this,
[2:23:21] but I mean there was it's not in the
[2:23:25] ballot question, but it was specifically
[2:23:27] I know contemplated
[2:23:29] >> how that money would be allocated
[2:23:31] between the three purposes at the time
[2:23:34] it was put forward because there was,
[2:23:36] you know, rough estimates for
[2:23:38] calculations of the work on Midland and
[2:23:40] so on and so forth. And so, and I I
[2:23:42] don't recall if that was in like recital
[2:23:44] to the ordinance that submitted the
[2:23:46] ballot question or or not, but just
[2:23:49] before we rush into reallocating money
[2:23:52] related for for green purposes, I just
[2:23:55] would
[2:23:56] >> want to take and we're not doing that
[2:23:58] today.
[2:23:59] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[2:24:00] >> We we have either
[2:24:01] >> an example, but I don't think we're
[2:24:02] looking to do that.
[2:24:04] >> We're going to have either an 8 million
[2:24:05] or uh an $ 8.1 million gap. a different kettle of fish than uh trying
[2:24:14] Yeah, that's another conversation. We're
[2:24:16] I think for tonight the 100,000 is or so
[2:24:20] is what we got to figure out if we want
[2:24:22] to source that from uh but the salt the
[2:24:25] bond money and I I would support doing
[2:24:27] that.
[2:24:28] >> Yeah.
[2:24:30] is my support.
[2:24:34] » Mayor, I move the town council adopt
[2:24:35] resolution number 20 series of 2026 with
[2:24:39] the change of the money coming from the
[2:24:40] bond fund instead of
[2:24:42] >> STR and lodging
[2:24:43] >> the S str and lodging tax.
[2:24:45] >> Second.
[2:24:46] >> All right, it's been moved and seconded.
[2:24:48] Uh Pam, will you please call the role?
[2:24:51] [clears throat]
[2:24:52] >> Okay, let's begin with Angela Anderson.
[2:24:54] >> Yes.
[2:24:55] >> Rick Stevens.
[2:24:58] Um,
[2:24:59] yes.
[2:25:01] >> Angel Dup Prebuchart.
[2:25:03] >> Yes.
[2:25:04] >> Ryan Slack.
[2:25:04] >> Yes.
[2:25:05] >> David Knight.
[2:25:06] >> Yes.
[2:25:06] >> Deer Schindler.
[2:25:07] >> Yes.
[2:25:08] >> Hannah Berman.
[2:25:09] >> Yes.
[2:25:09] >> Motion carries unanimously. Thank you.
[2:25:12] >> As a caveat though, I think that, you
[2:25:14] know, just running numbers in my head
[2:25:16] here. If someone was to come in with a
[2:25:19] million half dollar
[2:25:22] purchase and apply for 30%
[2:25:25] from the fund, they would get $450,000
[2:25:30] if Eagle County and Basalt still agreed
[2:25:32] to the same policy. Where's where's the
[2:25:35] cap, you know, and how fast can this six
[2:25:37] million be exhausted if people that are
[2:25:41] willing in this, you know, a different
[2:25:43] market um to come in and you offer their
[2:25:46] home up for sale with a deed restriction
[2:25:49] attached with the current benefit
[2:25:52] attached and then not have to and then
[2:25:54] the purchaser doesn't have to come up.
[2:25:56] The purchaser just has to qualify for
[2:25:59] the 70% of the original purchase price
[2:26:01] with no down payment. It's it's kind of
[2:26:03] a slippery slope, I think, at the end of
[2:26:05] the day. And the bond proceeds are are
[2:26:08] six million bucks. That's it.
[2:26:11] >> Well, we Well, we don't have six million
[2:26:14] more.
[2:26:14] >> It's a it's a fair point. I mean, I But
[2:26:17] in my mind, we have a we had a h 100,000
[2:26:19] that we've been budgeting for at least
[2:26:21] one if not two years, right?
[2:26:23] >> And now we've allocated that. So if if
[2:26:26] there are more requests for deed
[2:26:27] restrictions, we're going to have to
[2:26:28] have a different conversation because
[2:26:31] there is no more money budget if this
[2:26:33] was our
[2:26:34] >> in town potentially. I think there is
[2:26:37] >> if people but we could that would be a
[2:26:39] different
[2:26:40] >> you know we'd have to basically be
[2:26:42] reappropriating or appropriating
[2:26:43] additional funds. So
[2:26:45] >> but back to the original like intent
[2:26:47] though is that what this decision in my
[2:26:49] mind allows us to do is to if the
[2:26:52] council wanted to give more to West M up
[2:26:56] their contribution to West Mountain
[2:26:58] Regional Housing Coalition
[2:27:00] >> comes from another
[2:27:01] >> because it can come from STR and lodging
[2:27:03] fees which has a broader use
[2:27:06] >> uh allowance and that can still help buy
[2:27:10] you know buy down houses outside of the
[2:27:12] town boundaries. So it doesn't h that's
[2:27:14] the whole point is that like doesn't h
[2:27:16] we don't have to use bond money. It's
[2:27:18] very unusual, I think. I mean, to find
[2:27:20] someone that can afford a mortgage on a
[2:27:22] million dollars, which is what the
[2:27:24] homeowner still has to do, I think it's
[2:27:26] the limiting factor.
[2:27:30] >> Um, yes,
[2:27:32] >> that's [laughter]
[2:27:33] narrow.
[2:27:35] >> Yeah. Market for that.
[2:27:38] >> Anyways,
[2:27:39] >> all right. Um, well, thank you all. And,
[2:27:42] uh, next up we have, um, our, uh, an
[2:27:46] executive session. So, I'd entertain a
[2:27:47] motion. May there
[2:27:48] >> mayor move the town council enter
[2:27:49] executive session to discuss personnel
[2:27:51] matters in accordance to CRS24-6-424F,
[2:27:55] more specifically town manager review.
[2:27:59] >> Second.
[2:28:00] >> It's been moved and seconded. All those
[2:28:02] in favor, please signify by saying I.
[2:28:04] >> I.
[2:28:06] >> So, thank you very much. We're going to
[2:28:08] move into executive session in a moment.
[2:28:09] Um, when that is and so we're going to
[2:28:11] cut the uh TV feed. When that is over,
[2:28:14] the meeting will be adjourned. So, uh,
[2:28:17] those watching online, good night. And
[2:28:19] uh take a few moments here to set