1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:08,000 call the architectural border review meeting for Wednesday, August 26, to order, call the roll. 2 00:00:08,380 --> 00:00:12,860 Tom said last year. Sarah Burns, Meyer here. Craig, because, because of, because of 3 00:00:12,860 --> 00:00:19,420 the calc, you can't even practice before you got here. Did you? I did. It'll take a lot. 4 00:00:19,860 --> 00:00:28,060 Okay. Okay, sorry, continue. We have no minutes to do. Well, there are minutes to approve, 5 00:00:28,060 --> 00:00:32,180 but you won't be able to sign them because it's got 6 00:00:32,940 --> 00:00:37,420 Greg's name on it. But you can sell it for a home. June 10th. 7 00:00:37,420 --> 00:00:39,580 All right, so our motion to approve the minutes from 8 00:00:40,260 --> 00:00:43,140 was this the last meeting? Yeah, June 10th, 2026. 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:44,220 Senator? 10 00:00:48,980 --> 00:00:50,940 Yes. Sarah? Yes, Greg? Yes. 11 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:53,500 Okay. 12 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:57,640 The item on the agenda is the application for 13 00:00:58,220 --> 00:00:59,000 recounts. I 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,560 see one on the sign permit application that says 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,620 parking lot, tracing, Detroit, those things. 16 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:10,230 What are those things? 17 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:12,190 Don't worry about that. 18 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:18,610 Julie, would you like to explain what you're planning on doing? 19 00:01:18,970 --> 00:01:22,630 Well, there are three signs, and I did not draw this piece up. 20 00:01:22,690 --> 00:01:24,310 It was done by Kevin. 21 00:01:25,430 --> 00:01:26,570 I can't remember the company's name. 22 00:01:27,210 --> 00:01:30,350 The people who did the old signs are doing our replacing them with ours. 23 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:33,170 And so there are three signs, all the same size. 24 00:01:34,190 --> 00:01:40,050 one is facing that parking lot and then two face on the corner so it's 25 00:01:40,050 --> 00:01:47,030 over-center and over-center and over-out road. Same materials and everything 26 00:01:47,030 --> 00:01:47,410 too. 27 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:56,140 Eric does the signage conform to the code and 28 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,840 what is this sign made out of? 29 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,360 I submitted it to you. 30 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:15,110 Yeah, I think so. I can confirm that I brought you a copy of your 31 00:02:25,590 --> 00:02:30,990 Yeah, the company is called a sign above and it's Kevin Holiday who's doing this. 32 00:02:31,150 --> 00:02:31,510 Okay. 33 00:02:36,180 --> 00:02:36,700 Let me see. 34 00:02:39,590 --> 00:02:42,010 It is vinyl-ladaluminum. 35 00:02:42,510 --> 00:02:43,470 That's what it is. 36 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,260 And there's an existing sign in it now. 37 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,000 It's coming down. 38 00:02:57,540 --> 00:02:57,820 Yes. 39 00:03:01,580 --> 00:03:02,800 And it is the same size. 40 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:03,960 It's going in the same place. 41 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:04,600 Yeah. 42 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:10,360 It's a different shape, but it's the same general size and it's been going right in the same 43 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:18,420 Just a suggestion to add to the motion that if there are any 44 00:03:18,420 --> 00:03:29,090 voice holes that are left from the difference in the size or the configuration of the signs that be repaired. 45 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:35,680 Did you plan to have windows signage also? 46 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:39,720 They are going to replace those stickers with. 47 00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:44,470 So it's literally a replacement and connect. 48 00:03:44,470 --> 00:03:45,170 How 49 00:03:49,170 --> 00:03:53,330 are Hannah and those retiring so we are taking over the whole space? 50 00:03:53,790 --> 00:03:54,470 I want 51 00:03:58,790 --> 00:04:01,230 to note that in your motion too because I don't know if that was included in me. 52 00:04:01,370 --> 00:04:05,130 You may want to note the window signage in your motion. 53 00:04:07,750 --> 00:04:09,690 Yeah, I didn't see that on the application there. 54 00:04:10,770 --> 00:04:13,990 I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to submit the stickers. 55 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:23,420 And that's similarly going to just take up the entire center panel of the assembly. 56 00:04:23,420 --> 00:04:25,900 Yeah, same exact size for those. 57 00:04:28,460 --> 00:04:30,020 So what is there now? 58 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:31,940 Is it the same exact sign? 59 00:04:33,260 --> 00:04:34,100 So the Howard Hanon? 60 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:35,260 The Bill Riley sign. 61 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,420 The Howard Hanon sign. 62 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Yeah, that's there still right now. 63 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,240 And they're going to just take that off and put ours on. 64 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:44,240 Same sign as this, but it will. 65 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,040 So this sign goes away. 66 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,200 And you're going to put a sign there. 67 00:05:05,580 --> 00:05:05,780 Yes. 68 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:06,820 And a sign here? 69 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Yes. 70 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:07,420 Yes. 71 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:09,440 We don't have a drawing of that. 72 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:10,840 Okay. 73 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,760 I didn't know we needed a drawing for the stickers. 74 00:05:13,260 --> 00:05:16,420 I can, I can, that's a different company who's doing that anyway. 75 00:05:19,130 --> 00:05:23,230 I can redo that if I need to, a new application for the decals. 76 00:05:23,570 --> 00:05:24,150 Well, is it? 77 00:05:24,810 --> 00:05:25,730 It's the same sign. 78 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:26,630 Yes, the same thing. 79 00:05:26,750 --> 00:05:31,730 It would be this, but with a background, just so it's not all window. 80 00:05:32,730 --> 00:05:37,070 Thomas, that's something that can be on your, could that be emailed to us and then we could, 81 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:40,090 you know, potentially without having to meet again. 82 00:05:40,250 --> 00:05:40,370 Yeah. 83 00:05:40,870 --> 00:05:41,170 Okay. 84 00:05:41,630 --> 00:05:42,070 So 85 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,920 I guess there would not be an approval as a result of this meeting pending. 86 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:05,880 An opportunity to see the rest of it. 87 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:09,340 You could have proved as just the wall sign. 88 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:10,160 The wall sign. 89 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:11,180 Okay. 90 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:11,780 That'd be good. 91 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:12,780 Because they haven't even started meeting. 92 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,100 So are you proposing that you approve the other one via email? 93 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:19,440 I'm just well more asking at that. 94 00:06:20,180 --> 00:06:21,520 I would be in favor of that. 95 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,400 If they include the motion provided as described or something like that, so that way we don't 96 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,160 have to meet again, assuming that the summing an error proves it. 97 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:31,280 Yeah. 98 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,580 I mean, I'll find with that just like, do you want to see it, Tom? 99 00:06:35,060 --> 00:06:35,220 Yeah. 100 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:38,980 I'd want to see it before I approve that the window sign. 101 00:06:39,980 --> 00:06:40,140 Right. 102 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:41,520 So we could do that by email. 103 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:44,680 And is it going to cover the whole panel or is it going to be? 104 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:47,120 Yeah, it'll cover the whole thing, just like that one. 105 00:06:47,940 --> 00:06:52,860 So, is there going to be a little bit more kind of white space behind it? 106 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:59,440 I think what he's doing is it will be this color for the logo piece in the middle and 107 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:05,420 then the background will just be like a shade darker than this, but like the graphics 108 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:07,320 nothing will be reoriented differently. 109 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:07,720 No. 110 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,060 So, take up that much space then. 111 00:07:11,380 --> 00:07:12,700 Well, the background will take up that. 112 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:14,740 Yeah, that's that from the actual graphic. 113 00:07:14,740 --> 00:07:18,240 Yeah, but the graphic will just be less than what it is. 114 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:23,160 Quite small, if it's going to send you kind of flipping that graphic would be. 115 00:07:23,580 --> 00:07:25,420 Yeah, it'll be probably the size of it. 116 00:07:25,420 --> 00:07:27,520 Small letters in a large field of white. 117 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,720 So you're going to background out this entire panel of glass. 118 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,720 And the logo will be on the background. 119 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:43,700 I just want to ask like is it possible just you know could 120 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,440 you not do that? Is there 121 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,360 or like could you just have the letters perhaps on the glass as opposed to 122 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,280 waiting out the inspire without the background? Yeah it is going to be like 123 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,200 architecturally it might be on to me. You won't see them. You won't see them. Black 124 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:07,320 letters. Good point. You could do white letters. Yeah. Or even that pill kind of 125 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:30,280 I mean he might maybe want to do a sample just do some final letter samples stick them 126 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:35,580 on the adjacent panel step back to see how that looks as you write if you can't see it 127 00:08:35,580 --> 00:08:36,560 was a was a point. 128 00:08:40,050 --> 00:08:44,150 It just seems like a large field of way. Yeah, I wasn't going to be 129 00:08:44,150 --> 00:08:48,010 white. It was going to be a darker shade of this purple color. 130 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:52,790 That's purple, you stand? 131 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:58,450 Yeah, that's a lavender. This lavender? And the background behind that would be a darker 132 00:08:58,450 --> 00:09:04,110 lamp. Do you have a rendering of it on your computer? I haven't seen if he sent me one. 133 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:09,880 He didn't 134 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:10,780 give me anything. 135 00:09:14,590 --> 00:09:19,070 I have a natural inclination to not want to suggest anything or interfere with 136 00:09:19,070 --> 00:09:24,310 anybody's commercial enterprise, you know, we start but but it's a lot of I just wonder if it 137 00:09:24,310 --> 00:09:28,790 wouldn't be a lot better if it was just the logo because 138 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,780 that's on three sides of the film too. 139 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:06,820 So it's really gonna really gonna stand out as a large lavender walk. It's green no, it's it's it 140 00:10:06,820 --> 00:10:13,080 worse than what's it no but okay this is bad but arguably what's there now isn't terrific either. 141 00:10:13,780 --> 00:10:21,880 This is a bad picture. This is my business card. I just sent it to Dan so he could see so the dark that's the background and that's the logo. 142 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:24,400 So that's what we are going to do for the window decals. 143 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:37,820 So could you do potentially just again just a suggestion just do that logo maybe in the you know upper third of this block of the glazing block instead of the entire background being lavender. 144 00:10:37,820 --> 00:10:39,620 I'm fine with that. Yeah, so 145 00:10:45,980 --> 00:10:47,120 just the logo itself. 146 00:10:49,780 --> 00:11:01,940 Yeah, and then otherwise as far as you know, I you know and Eric's confirmed. I had a question about the 40% wall area. I think but Eric's confirmed that that's all good. So I didn't have any other times. 147 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:08,660 Well, that just that doesn't include the window signs. 148 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,640 Yeah, actually, I look at it on the chart, but that's different. 149 00:11:13,180 --> 00:11:13,860 Are different. 150 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,960 There are actually another 40% of the glazed area. 151 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:18,420 Yeah. 152 00:11:18,580 --> 00:11:22,480 Which that might even, well, glazed area of the entire side of the building, right? 153 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:23,680 That's what I was saying. 154 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:24,180 That's what I was saying. 155 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,260 But I was kind of looking at right here. 156 00:11:28,910 --> 00:11:32,370 So there are, there are two of the wall signs. 157 00:11:32,750 --> 00:11:32,930 Three. 158 00:11:33,970 --> 00:11:34,610 I'm sorry. 159 00:11:34,830 --> 00:11:36,030 There's three cut 160 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,660 through area, the street facing area, parking lot. 161 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:47,180 I think, you know, and they've done such a terrific job with the SNAT, this isn't great, 162 00:11:47,420 --> 00:11:51,920 but they've done such a terrific job with the signage on the new daycare facility, 163 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:58,920 you know, the Mally's location, that ice, I really would encourage you to not think about an 164 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,960 alternative to it. 165 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:17,140 The daycare, and we went around and ran with the SNAT at the daycare. I think 166 00:12:17,140 --> 00:12:23,160 we had two meetings for that. I missed that, but whatever you did, it worked, it looked terrific. 167 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,240 So this application is for one sign. 168 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,120 I think it mentions all three, but I don't know. 169 00:12:31,660 --> 00:12:33,720 Well, it mentions, I think, all three of the wall signs. 170 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:37,880 It didn't mention the window signs, but it 171 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,240 sounds like she wasn't aware that it needed to. 172 00:12:41,220 --> 00:12:43,520 But it does give the three locations. 173 00:12:44,260 --> 00:12:45,040 Actually, I work with it. 174 00:12:45,340 --> 00:12:45,520 There. 175 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,120 Parking lot facing. 176 00:12:47,780 --> 00:12:49,300 Oh, I think that's the big difference on her. 177 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:56,580 Yeah, and it does show it a diagrammatic area. 178 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,040 We've got the picture, but the narrative 179 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,880 below the picture is what does it and then it's time says on the application. 180 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,380 You have a case refers to the drawing but the drawing narrative does the same 181 00:13:07,380 --> 00:13:08,080 thing about the window. 182 00:13:17,700 --> 00:13:21,480 I've been there a year so I just took over the 183 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:27,000 least though last month. Yeah, yeah. You're probably ready for sandwich. 184 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:34,580 I have no idea. It's hard to find us but yeah we're growing fast and it's a good 185 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:35,760 thing. So you 186 00:13:38,740 --> 00:13:44,520 want to make a motion then to prove the wall sign, wall sign, so only a second. 187 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:51,900 Were you making the motion? I guess I was. Okay, but that was the motion. So I'm sorry I'll 188 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:56,340 take a second to clarify then your proposing that we come back for the window signage. Yes. 189 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,700 Well then do you want to wait to make the motions so that she doesn't have to like fully reapply? 190 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,220 I don't want to. Was it ever too easy for the applicant? I would think it would be easiest, 191 00:14:10,220 --> 00:14:14,520 probably to come back with the other ones. I mean you kind of know they're 192 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,220 gonna approve the other signage, right? But that way you don't need to 193 00:14:18,220 --> 00:14:22,080 resubmit an entire fee, at least that's how I think about it. I don't know 194 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,980 how you feel. So you're amending and... That way you can just amend your 195 00:14:26,980 --> 00:14:30,500 application if you're going to have to come back anyway. That way you don't have 196 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:37,260 to redo the fee and everything. Yeah so just add the new proposal, the new 197 00:14:37,260 --> 00:14:41,160 renderings and then whatever you just maybe you can take the feedback that was 198 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,340 provided and decide what you want to do and then come back with the final mock-ups 199 00:14:45,340 --> 00:14:49,580 of what you're hoping to have. Okay. Does that work? Yeah that worked. But I would 200 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:56,520 really discourage you from putting that lavender on that whole last panel. I think 201 00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:59,700 you're not going to be happy and we're not going to prove it. 202 00:15:00,270 --> 00:15:01,450 No, that's fine with me. 203 00:15:04,660 --> 00:15:30,940 But you have to, you have to find some way to make it stand out. Yeah, you're just a logo in the upper third of that panel. Probably, probably pretty good. There's a lot of downright on it as well. So it kind of washes over that. And I was actually, that's crazy. I was going to skip the decals and Dan kind of talked me into it. Now I'm thinking, is it just going to be repetitive? Because I'm going to have the sign at the top and the sign at the bottom. It would be exactly the same thing. Definitely repetitive. 204 00:15:30,940 --> 00:15:32,280 So maybe we don't need that. 205 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,120 Well, if you decide not to do it, they could move to it. 206 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,000 And then we could just do it. 207 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,180 And then later, if you decided you wanted them, 208 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:40,060 you could come back with another application in a year. 209 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:41,880 Yeah, see what they look like now. 210 00:15:42,380 --> 00:15:44,360 In that case, we could approve the wall science tonight. 211 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,160 Yeah, why don't we just do that? 212 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:47,760 I'm texting everybody out. 213 00:15:47,860 --> 00:15:48,820 Yeah, let's just do that. 214 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Because I, yeah, I'll just skip them. 215 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,960 I'll skip the window decals for now. 216 00:15:55,060 --> 00:15:57,760 And if I change my mind, I'll come back with a new application. 217 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:01,260 Okay, so should we stick with the original? 218 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,440 So we have no drawing for the window signs. 219 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,340 Anyway, so we're essentially approving. 220 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:17,480 I propose that we approve three wall signs for reconciling. 221 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Second. 222 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:19,200 That's submitted. 223 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:21,480 Do we need to amend that? 224 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:23,880 It says Detroit and there should be clear. 225 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:38,880 Yeah, yeah, you mean on the application it said that. No, no, we're good. Okay. Yeah, I wonder what the history of that is originally I got a feeling of total hunch that the window signs went in initially. 226 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:47,520 And you miss them. You don't see the window. They don't add that much. They don't communicate that well. I wonder if they put the wall signs up later. 227 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,780 Okay, I'm going to call roll for the motion. 228 00:16:52,140 --> 00:16:52,960 Tom said that. 229 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:53,240 Yes. 230 00:16:53,380 --> 00:16:53,960 Sarah Burns, Meyer. 231 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:54,260 Yes. 232 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:54,900 Craig. 233 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:57,560 Kowalski. 234 00:16:58,060 --> 00:16:58,500 Kowalski. 235 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:58,820 Yes. 236 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,080 Okay. 237 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:01,760 Okay, great. 238 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:04,740 And then you can continue. 239 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:06,280 Or I don't know if you want to adjourn. 240 00:17:06,860 --> 00:17:08,760 You wanted to continue your thoughts on that. 241 00:17:09,420 --> 00:17:10,000 That was it. 242 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:10,560 Okay. 243 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:13,410 We're adjourned. 244 00:17:14,010 --> 00:17:14,150 Okay.