1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:15,920 your worship. We are live. >> Good evening and work. Welcome to the 2 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:20,400 regular session of council for the municipal bam. It is Thursday, September 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:25,119 the 3rd, 2026, 7 p.m. and I will call this meeting to order. 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:29,679 I'll remind members of any disclosures of pecuniary interest in the general 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:35,600 nature thereof. Seeing none noted 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:40,480 would note that there are no items not listed on the agenda. 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:45,440 So we're clear there. Let's go with announcements. Does anyone have any 8 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:48,840 announcements for the evening? Councelor Chopan. 9 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:58,480 » The Mason breakfasts are back this year and I know John is very excited. 10 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:02,000 » So they start September 20th. September 20th from 8 till 1. 11 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:08,000 » From 8 to 1. >> Be there. 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:13,600 » It's in Vienna. Just to make it clear. >> In Vienna to be clear. 13 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:17,840 » Thank you for that. Uh, Mr. Mark. >> Oh, thank you, your worship. Uh, the 14 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:22,600 registration date for the September bulk garbage pickup is Monday, September 15 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,600 14th. 16 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,439 » No. Is that right? 17 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:34,720 I thought the pickup was the 14th. >> Oh, that's what 18 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,640 » Okay. >> I thought the registration date was the 19 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:38,960 eight. >> Yes. 20 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,320 » That's what it says in the sign out front. 21 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,439 » Oh, maybe is the pickup date. >> Pickup date is the 14th. Registration's 22 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:48,960 on the 8th. >> Okay. Sorry. 23 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:52,640 » This was just a trial run. Okay. >> Okay. 24 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:58,000 » No worries. No, >> we'll just uh Yeah. Okay, 25 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:03,280 » I'll get it right next time. All right. Uh I have three announcements. Uh the 26 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:09,520 first is that uh the decoration day for the Eden Cemetery is this weekend. It is 27 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:12,959 on Sunday uh the 6th of September. Uh if any one wishes to participate, please 28 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:20,319 do. Uh this uh also today marked the last 29 00:02:16,959 --> 00:02:23,760 day for our public works students and uh we thank them for their service over the 30 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:28,800 year. Hopefully they had a decent experience this past summer and uh we 31 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:34,080 thank them for their help and I believe this is the last week as well for our 32 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:38,400 students at the marine museum. Likewise uh these are programs that uh would be 33 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:44,000 difficult to run without having students around to get the to staff exactly you 34 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,400 know the the museum itself. So, we thank them for that. 35 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,440 And I'm seeing no more announcements, which then moves us down to section 36 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,640 seven, adoption of the minutes of previous meeting, which include the 37 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:01,280 regular meeting of council held on August 20th, 2026. 38 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,360 Everyone's had opportunity to approve those minutes. If there are no errors or 39 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,480 omissions, the motion would read that the minutes 40 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:12,959 from the regular meeting of council held on August the 20th, 2026 be approved as 41 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:18,239 presented. Do I have a mover and second her? Councelor Emerson will move. 42 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:23,560 Councelor Chilcott will second. All in favor? 43 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,560 That's carried. 44 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:31,440 Moving on down to section 12, development services, sustainability and 45 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:36,319 conservation 121, correspondence and 1211 to receive for information. Item A, 46 00:03:34,799 --> 00:03:41,519 notice of public meeting regarding ZBA0726, 47 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:50,480 an official plan amendment OPA0326 at two, not at, but it's 2455892, 48 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:56,040 Inc. at 11470 Plank Road. Does anyone have any questions regarding that piece 49 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:56,040 of correspondence? 50 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:05,280 If not, need a mover and second that item 1211A be received for information. 51 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:12,640 Councelor Chilcott will move. Deputy Mayor Weisler will second. All in favor? 52 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:17,600 It's carried. Section 13, finance administration 131 53 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:24,240 correspondence and 1311 to receive for information. 54 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:28,320 Five pieces of correspondence. Item A is the Elgen County regarding the committee 55 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:32,080 of the whole minutes for July the 14th, 2026. 56 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:36,800 Item B, Elgen County regarding the county council minutes for July the 57 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:41,600 14th, 2026. Item C, Elgen County regarding Elgen, 58 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:47,520 excuse me, county council highlights for August the 11th, 2026. 59 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:52,639 D, town of Plimpmpton, Wyoming regarding sustainable provincial grant funding for 60 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:57,040 fire services in Ontario. And item E, the Ontario Energy Board regarding 61 00:04:54,320 --> 00:05:01,199 notice of hearing for Nbridge Gas, Inc. Does anyone have any questions regarding 62 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:07,039 this correspondence wish to draw attention to? 63 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:11,919 Councelor Chilcott. >> Thank you. I believe we received some um 64 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:15,680 emails regarding PR11 and the clarification of the funds being 65 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:21,440 transferred. I >> think we will deal with that under the 66 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:25,280 uh waterfront advisory committee recommendations. Okay. Which will be 67 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:31,199 upcoming 132. you. Any other questions on any of this 68 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:34,960 correspondence? All right. Then I need a mover and 69 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:39,600 seconder for the following. That items 1311A through E be received for 70 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:46,880 information. Moved by councelor Schilcott, second by Deputy Mayor 71 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:52,720 Weisert. All in favor? That's carried. Moving down to 13.2 reports to council. 72 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:55,759 Item A, CL0926 by Alan Bushell. clerk regarding the 73 00:05:54,479 --> 00:06:01,919 waterfront advisory committee recommendations. Uh Mr. Bushell, 74 00:05:59,039 --> 00:06:07,360 » uh thank you, worship. Uh there is some uh recommendations put through from um 75 00:06:03,919 --> 00:06:11,600 the waterfront committee. Um the list is before you. Uh ultimately, we're just 76 00:06:09,919 --> 00:06:18,160 asking that you receive this information for this report for information. 77 00:06:15,919 --> 00:06:22,639 » Thank you, Alan. Councelor Chilcott, this was the item that you uh were 78 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:26,479 mentioning, >> correct? I think there was um a little 79 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:34,479 bit of clarification that needed to be made or was requested to be made as to 80 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:38,319 where that 325 came from and how it was going to be reallocated. It was a 81 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:42,319 request that it be kept in the beachfront rather than allocated 82 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:47,759 elsewhere if we no longer have to do the peers. Correct. 83 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,720 That's not what the recommendation states in the waterfront advisory 84 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:54,160 committee, but I understand that may be the intent of what uh they were 85 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:58,240 speaking. The chair of the waterfront advisory committee happens to be here. 86 00:06:55,759 --> 00:07:04,479 Perhaps she might recall what specific was. Otherwise, uh Cindy, I think you're 87 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:10,000 prepared to uh speak to that. >> Did you want to speak to that, Cindy? 88 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:16,639 » Um thanks. Yes, through uh the mayor to council. Um so there was a discussion 89 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:23,759 about the total there is 50,000 that was part of the 2026 capital budget um and 90 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:28,080 it's from the parking reserve. So if the money is not spent then that money will 91 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:34,800 still remain in that reserve. The rest of the money was 275,000 92 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:40,800 um for the East Pier rehab project and that is part of the 2027 budget and it's 93 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:46,240 actually a source of financing would be levy but during the 2027 budget capital 94 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,319 budget we would be talking about that there. 95 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:55,280 » Okay. >> All right. 96 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:58,800 Any other comments or questions? 97 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:06,800 So I assume the process uh to receive for information is something that uh 98 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:13,360 would possibly come up during the capital budget. 99 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:15,840 » The items could be received. Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Wiser. 100 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,599 » Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just for clarity with the budget re these 101 00:08:17,919 --> 00:08:22,560 recommendations will show up on the report 102 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,639 » or do we have to bring them forward again? 103 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,919 » That's where I was looking for clarification. 104 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:32,000 » Yeah. These will be I just want to confirm 105 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,360 these recommendations will be provided in the report when the capital budget is 106 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:39,680 presented. >> Uh the administrative decision regarding 107 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:46,080 that would come through the CEO and or the treasurer and or the uh manager for 108 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:50,399 infrastructure which would be Steve. Uh so ultimately I would defer to the CEO 109 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:55,279 whether we're confirming we're putting it on the budget. The the issue largely 110 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:59,680 is is a lot of these items go across decades. So when when we plug it is is 111 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:03,760 going to have to have some form of discretion 112 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:10,000 » through you, Mr. Mayor. Perhaps maybe even if we could just refer to the 113 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:14,320 report, not necessarily like bring that information forward, but we do need to 114 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:19,360 refer to these recommendations specifically from this report for 115 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:24,040 budgets because this council is going to be different when we're looking at the 116 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,040 budget. 117 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:30,880 So, if if I could make that recommendation or just make sure that 118 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:35,440 that these reports are itemized in the capital budget 119 00:09:32,959 --> 00:09:39,880 » through the mayor to uh council. Uh yes, we can find a way to be able to do that. 120 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,839 » Similar to attached to it. >> Yes. 121 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:55,600 So the question begins or is deputy mayor, are you comfortable with what the 122 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:59,360 proposed recommendation may be >> or would you like to have it more 123 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:02,800 formalized? The recommendation reads that report 124 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:05,839 CL0926 regarding the waterfront advisory 125 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:11,120 committee recommendations be received for information. 126 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:17,839 » Um through you, Mr. Mayor, perhaps we could include and that report CL0926 127 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:21,920 be referenced in the upcoming budget, capital budget. I I'm I'm not sure what 128 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,399 the wording would be on that, but >> referred. 129 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:28,079 » I would say referred to >> or referred to. Okay. And I'm 130 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:32,320 comfortable with that. I just would like to make sure that these get brought 131 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:36,600 forward so that they can have a robust discussion about that at budget time. 132 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:42,560 Got that? >> Yep. 133 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:48,640 » You like to read it? >> Okay. So, it's it's a two-stage 134 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:51,920 resolution that report CL96 regarding waterfront advisory committee 135 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:58,399 recommendations be received for information and that uh report CL926 136 00:10:56,560 --> 00:11:03,680 regarding waterfront advisory committee recommendations be referred to the 137 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:09,760 upcoming capital budget. Okay. Do we have a move or second for 138 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:17,279 that? Deputy Mayor Wisler, Councelor Chilcott. All in favor of 139 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:21,600 that? That's carried. Thank you. Item B, CL 1026 by Alan Bushell, clerk, 140 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:26,320 regarding the museum advisory committee final meeting. 141 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:30,720 » Thank you, worship. Uh, the final uh museum advisory committee uh 142 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:35,760 unfortunately uh failed to be quorum due to uh very understandable circumstances. 143 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:41,680 Uh with that, the group still did go through the agenda. Uh so what we're at 144 00:11:38,959 --> 00:11:48,640 right now is a procedural moment where the committee can't uh approve the 145 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:52,720 items. Uh so council being the body that oversees the committee will just have to 146 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:56,720 make the resolution for them. >> And so we're just asking that you accept 147 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:00,560 the agenda and that you approve the items inside of it. The items inside of 148 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:05,360 it had no actions whatsoever. They were allformational and very very down low 149 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,160 operational day-to-day stuff for the facility. 150 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,240 discussion. 151 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,560 » Deputy Mayor Wiser. >> Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. Sorry, 152 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,560 this is the first time I've had this come up, so I'm just going to ask for a 153 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:31,519 clarifying question. I reviewed the agenda but I there's no minutes so there 154 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:37,360 was no in terms of like so there's no action to be taken just so because I 155 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:40,000 don't if I'm blanket approving something >> I haven't seen any minutes 156 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:44,000 » through through your through your worship that's the exact problem uh 157 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:48,240 since we weren't able to hit quorum we didn't actually generate minutes 158 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:49,839 » ah okay >> supplementary 159 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:53,040 » yes >> so if we didn't generate minutes what 160 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:57,279 are we approving uh just the reports inside of the 161 00:12:54,959 --> 00:13:02,399 reports. It's just a cascading council to the committee uh finalizing the 162 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:04,480 committee's final meeting. It's just >> interesting. 163 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:09,839 » It's closing a file. >> It's just it's okay. Okay, fair enough. 164 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Because usually when there's cor when there isn't quorum, we don't have a 165 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:17,440 meeting >> through your worship. Uh yeah, and what 166 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,839 would happen procedurally is we would have rescheduled a meeting. 167 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:24,160 Unfortunately, since we're at the end of our term, we couldn't do that. Uh, fair. 168 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:28,079 » Then I had to create this, you know. >> Okay. 169 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:31,440 Sorry. [laughter] >> I'm getting all the good stuff right at 170 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,600 the end, man. >> It's a learning moment, 171 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:38,399 » right? >> Okay. Any other questions? 172 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:42,720 » All right. The motion would read that report CL 1026 regarding the museum 173 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:47,920 advisory committee final meeting be received for information and that the 174 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:52,240 items listed on the August 12th 2026 museum advisory committee agenda be 175 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:56,880 received for information second councelor froze will move 176 00:13:54,160 --> 00:14:05,120 councelor Chilcott will second all in favor that's carried 177 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:05,120 brings us down to section 14 the bylaws 178 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:12,639 Looks like we only have one bylaw number 2026049 179 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:17,040 being a bylaw to authorize execution of an agreement between the corporation and 180 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:21,680 municipality of BAM and Bros Excavating Limited for the Eden Pump Station 181 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:28,760 upgrades. Does anyone have any questions on the bylaw? The report was out last 182 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,760 month or last meeting, excuse me. 183 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:37,120 Seeing none, the motion would read that bylaw number 202649 be read first, 184 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,959 second, and third time, and finally pass. Do I have a mover or second for 185 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:46,480 that? Councelor Emerson will move. Councelor Chilov will second. All in 186 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:50,000 favor, carried. 187 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:54,120 Don't believe we have any unfinished business or other business. 188 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:02,639 We can close this meeting out because we have a public meeting coming up. So 189 00:14:59,199 --> 00:15:07,279 we'll do the confirming bylaw. Need a mover and seconder for the 190 00:15:04,079 --> 00:15:11,760 following. That bylaw number 2026 050 be read a first, second, and third time and 191 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:16,800 finally passed. Councelor Chilcott will move. Deputy Mayor Weiser will second. 192 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:21,760 All in favor? That is carried. Which brings us to the 193 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:27,680 adjournment motion that the council meeting be adjourned at 7:15 194 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:31,360 p.m. >> Move and second. 195 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:35,920 » I kind of thought councelor froze would get there and councelor Chilcott will 196 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:41,199 second. All in favor we are. That is carried. We are 197 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:46,639 adjourned the regular meeting. Um please stand by. We will reset for 198 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:48,880 the public meeting which will begin at 7:30. 199 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,159 your worship. 200 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,320 Good evening everyone and welcome to the statutory planning meeting for the 201 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:12,240 municipality of BAM is Thursday September the 3rd 2026 7:30 p.m. and I 202 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:16,480 will call this meeting to order remind the uh council of any disclosures 203 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:22,559 of punary interest in the general nature thereof. 204 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:26,480 Seeing none noted just to remind everyone this evening we 205 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:31,840 are dealing with an application. This is an approval that this is an application 206 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:37,919 for a proposed zoning bylaw amendment ZBA0726 207 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:45,039 and the official plan amendment OPA0326 2455892 208 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:48,640 Inc. 11470 Plank Road. The purpose of this combined official 209 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,720 plan amendment and zoning bylaw amendment is to permit the development 210 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:57,679 of two two-story apartment buildings containing a total of 36 residential 211 00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:03,279 units, 18 units in each building on lands serviced by private water and to 212 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:10,320 reszone the subject lands from holding Hamlet residential HRH2 zone to sight 213 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:14,720 specific Hamlet residential HRH1 H2X 214 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:19,039 zone to permit multiple unit residential dwellings on lands that are not serviced 215 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:25,799 by municipal water, which requires the additional following provisions. 216 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,799 Sections 9.12.x 217 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:32,720 to add apartment buildings as an additional permitted use on the subject 218 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:37,760 lands. Section 9.12.x to apply a holding H1 provision to the 219 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:41,679 lands addressing servicing capacity confirmation prior to development 220 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:47,840 proceeding. The subject lands are located at 11470 221 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:51,440 Plank Road. The effect of this combined official plan of amendment and the 222 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:56,080 zoning bylaw amendment is to permit multi-unit residential development, 223 00:31:53,840 --> 00:32:00,399 including apartment buildings, on lands within the Hamlet designation that rely 224 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:04,799 on private rather than municipal water services. Additionally, the effect of 225 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:08,640 the zoning bylaw amendment is to permit the development of two two-story 226 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:13,679 apartment buildings containing a total of 36 residential units on the subject 227 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:19,039 lands subject to the sight specific provisions described above and subject 228 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:24,000 to a holding H1 provision addressing the servicing capacity confirmation prior to 229 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:28,559 development proceeding. The holding H1 provision is intended to ensure public 230 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:32,640 health and safety, an agreement with the municipality or the satisfying of 231 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,880 conditions of severance which addresses the impacts of the new development on 232 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:41,840 the applicable water supply system and/or sewage treatment and disposal 233 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:47,600 system which may include issues relating to water capacity, water quantity, water 234 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:52,320 quality and financial costs will be required prior to removal of the H1 zone 235 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,159 symbol. Now, at this point, I'm pleased to 236 00:32:54,399 --> 00:33:00,640 welcome uh Matt Bond, director of planning for Alvin County. I believe 237 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:07,039 Matt, you're here to provide a a brief presentation. So, floor is yours. 238 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:11,279 » Okay. Thank you very much. Um through the mayor, to council, and the folks in 239 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:14,960 the room tonight. Uh yes, I'm here to uh give a a brief presentation on the 240 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,200 application OPA0326 and ZBA0726. 241 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,360 So the subject lands are located on the east side of Plank Road between Grey 242 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:31,440 Street and Bailey Court. Lands have a frontage of 22 meters on Plank Road and 243 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:38,200 a depth of 182.8 m. They have a total area of 1.36 244 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:38,200 acres. They are currently vacant. 245 00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:44,000 So the next slide here just shows some of the surrounding land uses. So, uh, 246 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:49,440 primarily we're looking at existing detached, uh, single detached dwellings, 247 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:55,000 um, surrounding the property and, uh, a development, um, adjacent that is 248 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,000 currently under construction. 249 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:02,720 This next slide just shows a view of the subject lands from the road looking east 250 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:06,120 from Plank Road and also looking south Grace Street. 251 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:12,639 The Elgen County official plan um has the lands that are within the tier 2 252 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,280 settlement area on schedule A of the county's uh structure plan. Uh these 253 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:22,760 settlement areas have limited municipal services and lower levels of amenity and 254 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,760 employment opportunities. 255 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,520 Uh municipality BAM official plan. The proposed development is located within 256 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:33,839 an established settlement area being the Eden Hamlet area. The Hamlet's 257 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:38,159 designation permits a range of low to medium density residential uses. 258 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:41,200 Although the proposed development is a permitted use, an official plan 259 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:45,919 amendment is required to permit the proposed development as a uh as the 260 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:50,760 subject lands do not have access to municipal water or sewer services. 261 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:57,520 Uh the proposed development um the subject lands are proposed to be 262 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:02,480 developed for a for two two-story apartment buildings containing a total 263 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:07,359 of 36 residential units with associated surface parking. Uh right now it's 264 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:11,200 showing 63 uh spaces total. Each apartment building is proposed to 265 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:17,920 contain 18 residential units and development would comprise of a density 266 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:22,160 of approximately 65 units per hectare. The next slide just shows some 267 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:26,720 conceptual elevations. So these these aren't in concrete or anything. These 268 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:30,520 are just um just an idea of what the buildings could look like. 269 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:37,599 So the propo proposed official plan amendment um they are designated hamlet 270 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:42,480 as I said in schedule one of the land use uh in municipality of BM official 271 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:46,400 plan. The hamlet land use designation permits multi-unit residential forms 272 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,480 such as apartment buildings. However, the settlement area of Eden is on 273 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:54,720 partial municipal services. An official plan amendment is required to permit 274 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,560 multi-unit dwellings on lands that do not have municipal water services 275 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:03,280 available. And the zoning the subject lands are 276 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:08,320 zoned holding hamlet residential in the municipality of BAM zoning bylaw. The HR 277 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,160 zone permits single detached dwellings, a bed and breakfast, lodging or tourism 278 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:16,640 home, converted dwellings, home occupation, private garage or carport as 279 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:21,119 an accessory use. An apartment building is not a permitted use. Sight specific 280 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:26,000 zoning bylaw amendment applications required to add apartment buildings as a 281 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:30,480 permitted use. The purpose of the existing holding H2 zone is to ensure 282 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:35,079 orderly development and address servicing impacts of the new 283 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,079 development. 284 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:41,359 So a sightsp specific zoning bylaw amendment is requested uh to add 285 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:45,920 apartment buildings multi-unit dwellings as a permitted use and just to point out 286 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:50,640 all of the other zoning provisions of the parent zone will be met according to 287 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,400 what has been proposed. So the next steps in the planning 288 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:57,760 process um following this public meeting all comments received will be reviewed 289 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:02,880 and considered as part of planning analysis including in relation to 290 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:07,280 applicable provincial policies and plans preparation for future recommendation 291 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:11,680 report. A staff recommendation report will be brought forward to council at a 292 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:15,040 future meeting for consideration and a decision regarding the proposed zoning 293 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:20,400 bylaw amendment and official plan amendment. Lastly, I would just like to 294 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:27,119 point out that uh staff did receive uh a number of letters, emails um with some 295 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:33,119 concerns about the proposal. Overall, the central issue um is whether Eden has 296 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:37,680 groundwater, sewer capacity, transportation infrastructure, and 297 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,760 community services necessary to safely and appropriately accommodate the scale 298 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:45,839 and density of residential growth, particularly when the proposed 299 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:49,920 development is considered cumulatively with other planned developments in this 300 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:53,280 hamlet. Um sounds like there's some folks here that will speak to that. And 301 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,640 I will also point out with us tonight is the applicant agent Matt Campbell who 302 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,839 can also help to answer some questions about what's being proposed. There any 303 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,839 questions for me? I'm happy to answer them. 304 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:10,160 » All right. Thank you very much for that. Uh Matt, I'm thinking at this point uh 305 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:17,680 unless someone wants a specific question from uh Mr. Vaughn, uh we'll move right 306 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:21,240 on into the uh the public participation. Okay. Thank you. 307 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:30,160 So this is uh your opportunity to speak. Uh if you've signed in, please come up, 308 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:33,560 state your name, and uh yes, have your say, please. 309 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:44,960 My name is Robert Ketchup and uh to address 310 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:50,240 worship and the council. Okay. 311 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:55,520 My first concern is the wells and the attic water water 312 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,880 supply. Guess I better get my glasses on. 313 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:07,920 This well that was drilled and the one they're 314 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:15,119 going to use it has had a pull test 315 00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:21,839 done on it. It was completed by Tom Thompson Hecky, the engineer at MTE 316 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:30,079 Consultants. Results were not shared with the public. 317 00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:35,760 The phone number that they gave on the letter that they put out is no longer in 318 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:41,760 service. and the email. I'm still waiting for a 319 00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:47,839 response. In the past, 320 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:55,040 there's been three wells drilled here on this parcel of land. All three contained 321 00:39:50,480 --> 00:40:00,160 thick black sulfur water. The pipes were removed from two of the 322 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:05,839 wells and the holes were filled. Their third well remains and is on the 323 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:12,720 neighbor's property at the back. When the pool test was done on it, their 324 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:16,720 water was thick and black sulfur. The bylaw officer was called because 325 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:22,400 people thought someone was pumping sewage on the ground. This should be on 326 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:27,520 record with the township. My question is, is there going to be a 327 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:33,680 purification system and storage tank put in for that water? 328 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:39,119 If yes, then where is it going to be? A large number of people in Eden now get 329 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:44,079 one to two gallons a minute because of all the wells being drilled and that 330 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:49,680 have been drilled there in the past few years. 331 00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:58,160 With 36 more apartments being added, how will this affect Eden's water supply? 332 00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:07,839 Number two, my number two concern is the sewer on the proposed property. 333 00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:12,800 There is a sewer line installed which is bigger than a private sewer 334 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:17,839 line. This line was attached to the public 335 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:24,720 sewer line across Plank Road on the west side. 336 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:30,160 I witnessed this myself. The township 337 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:37,119 oversaw this. This should be on public record. Why is it being described as a 338 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:43,680 private sewage line when it is already connected to the public sewage line? 339 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:52,400 Number three, Plank Road is very high traffic 24/7 340 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:57,040 and a very congested area. According to a vehicle count report done 341 00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:02,160 two years ago, there were 28,000 342 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:07,040 vehicles recorded going to be 343 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:12,000 using Plank Road. This should be on public record as well. 344 00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:17,200 At the very least, there will be 36 345 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:24,560 more vehicles going in and out on this site on Plank 346 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:26,724 Road with only one laneway. [clears throat] 347 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:36,000 No stop signs are there now and no lights and no warning signs. 348 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:40,240 There have been several accidents at the intersection of Plank Road and Eden 349 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:46,960 Line. And this is just going to add to 350 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:54,640 number four. Eden is a hamlet, not a village or a town. 351 00:42:50,640 --> 00:43:00,640 The service services and resources are nonexistent 352 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:10,160 or very very limited. A high density residential development 353 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:13,480 is not appropriate for this handle. Any questions? 354 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,560 » Thank you, Bob. 355 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:27,040 » Next, council. My name is Matt Campbell. I'm 356 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,240 the agent. >> Oh, sure. Did you sign in, please? 357 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:36,560 » Uh, I can. Yes, >> we would appreciate that. 358 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:41,440 » Um, I don't have a there's no pen here. >> Oh, would it be more for me to respond 359 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:46,240 back? >> Okay. Perhaps uh Matt, I apologize. Just 360 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,839 been advised by the clerk that might be more appropriate uh after everyone's had 361 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,680 an opportunity, you can respond. >> Sure, we can do that. I just wanted to 362 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:58,000 clarify some information that may be beneficial for the discussion going 363 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,800 forward potentially. I'm happy to answer any other questions, but I'll 364 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,680 » let's let's do that. >> Sure. 365 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:07,280 » On on the points raised and hope maybe and but still I would remain available 366 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,319 at the end. >> Absolutely. 367 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,119 » Does that work? >> Yes. 368 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,400 » All right. >> Yes. Uh so again, my name is Matt 369 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,800 Campbell. I'm a partner with Zelinka Priamo. We're the agent on behalf of the 370 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:22,240 the applicant for these applications here. Um I just wanted to point out 371 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:26,079 first to council uh that there were a number of background and supporting 372 00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:30,160 studies that were done in support of these applications including a 373 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:35,760 hydrogeeological report that was just referenced. Uh there was a peer review 374 00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:40,880 of that report. So and the peer reviewer was selected by the municipality. Uh 375 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:46,240 both of those reports came back quite positive. Um so we can certainly get 376 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:50,240 into the nuances and and specific information about what is in those 377 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:54,400 reports as we go through everything tonight. Uh there was a traffic report 378 00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:59,920 prepared. That traffic report also came back as supporting the development with 379 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:04,560 no uh traffic infrastructure such as turning lanes, traffic signals, stop 380 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:08,960 signs, anything like that required from an engineering perspective. Uh there was 381 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,480 a servicing report prepared as well as a planning justification report and site 382 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:18,240 plan and elevations some of which was already presented by Mr. Vaugh. Um the 383 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:23,839 servicing report just one thing to to clarify there is a holding provision 384 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:27,280 that's proposed uh because of servicing constraints capacity constraints. I 385 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:31,119 think council may have already identified that and voted on that at the 386 00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:34,480 previous meeting to rectify some of those issues. So, we're certainly 387 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:38,160 cognizant of the fact that there are servicing issues in Eden and that's why 388 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:42,640 we're certainly happy to move forward with a holding provision essentially 389 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:47,119 saying these lands cannot be developed until that servicing constraint is 390 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:51,119 identified. Uh to the point about the actual servicing connection, I I 391 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:56,640 apologize. I'm not aware of any servicing connection that's there. 392 00:45:53,200 --> 00:46:01,280 However, the uh the holding provision that is being uh recommended by staff 393 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:04,800 here that would prevent that development from actually occurring. So, nothing's 394 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:11,359 going in that pipe if it is indeed there until that occurs. Um to the point about 395 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:15,920 uh you know what what is before council and what are we looking at uh for this 396 00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:20,400 application? There's the notion of well an apartment building. Uh the 397 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:25,280 municipality's official plan encourages intensification of underutilized lands 398 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,280 and encourages uh apartment buildings. Why we are before council for an 399 00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:34,079 official plan amendment is specifically to deal with the policy regarding 400 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:43,599 servicing for apartment buildings. That policy exists simply to act as a flag to 401 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:48,480 prohibit any ad hoc development of a high density form of housing such as 402 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:53,280 what is being proposed. What I mean by that is if the municipality had a policy 403 00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:57,520 that allowed apartment buildings without this check and balance, then that could 404 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,560 create a real issue in terms of groundwater. 405 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,319 Where we're coming from with this application is to say, okay, we 406 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:07,599 recognize that that is a constraint. We're going through the appropriate 407 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,240 checks and balances and supporting studies to demonstrate that yes, this is 408 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:16,560 a form of housing that can be supported in this area backed up by the reports 409 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:22,000 that we have from the qualified subject matter experts. So, the notion of an 410 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:25,839 apartment in principle, if you were to take out the servicing aspect, yes, that 411 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:29,839 is something that the official plan very much supports. what we're here to talk 412 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:34,720 about is more so how does that relate to the servicing aspect of it. Um I won't 413 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,839 belabor the point anymore. I know that we're probably gonna have a lot of 414 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,160 comments, but if there are any questions that I can answer, please um I'm happy 415 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:47,119 to answer those. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Someone else from 416 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:53,440 the public, please come forward. State your name. 417 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:59,359 » I'll sign in here. >> Hi, my name is Sharon Zelstro. 418 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:04,400 I was directly beside part of this lot and it that is being 419 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:11,680 proposed where the apartment buildings are. It also is directly so the lot 420 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:17,839 beside us is an empty lot but it is my husband's aunt's lot. So it is our 421 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:25,359 family lot that it is also beside. So this directly concerns us. 422 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:31,359 Um, this proposed 36 apartment buildings that are going to be drawing on a water 423 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:38,160 source. We currently only get a gallon a minute. So, how is another building 424 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:44,000 right beside us going to affect our water? We do run out of water and there 425 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:50,160 are only two of us in our house. Um, so what what is going to be done if 426 00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:56,400 we run out of water? What is like how are we supposed to 427 00:48:52,720 --> 00:49:03,280 or what is council or the township going to do if we run out of water? That is my 428 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:09,040 number one concern. A number two concern is two apartment buildings two stories 429 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:14,160 high. It's going to be very congested. They're going to be able to see into my 430 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:18,720 backyard. I have a pool. It's private. It's fenced. But they're going to be 431 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:24,960 able to see into my backyard. uh what is going to be done to ensure 432 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:29,760 our privacy in our own personal property um while we're say in the pool or in our 433 00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:34,400 yard just hanging out. 434 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:38,640 They're going to be able to see us. What is going to be done for our privacy and 435 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:43,520 our safety? Uh noise 436 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:48,240 is another is another concern. Uh it's going to be a very high density 437 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:56,160 populated area. If you put in 36 more units, that's at least 36 to 72 438 00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:02,640 and exponentially more than that people in that area. Uh what is going to be 439 00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:09,599 done to restrict noise? Um also safety and traffic. Um our little street, I 440 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:15,599 don't even think it's a street for uh Gray Street. Um, we've already got uh 441 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:21,599 speed bumps put in our street, but people just zoom right through it like 442 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:26,079 at high high rates of speed and there are young kids on our street that use it 443 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:32,839 all the time. What is going to be done about safety and traffic? 444 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,839 Those are my concerns. 445 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,280 » Thank you. 446 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:44,800 Uh, anyone else? Please come on. Repeat on neighbors. 447 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:47,520 » Sure. Please just state your name for the record. 448 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:53,520 » My name is Denise Kennedy and I live on Grey Street in Eden. Um neighbors that 449 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,520 live directly behind the apartment building unit. Um I'm just going to read 450 00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:01,680 this if that's okay. So they can't make it, but they are curious about the 451 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:05,200 property boundary lines being redone. Uh cuz they're she says they're pretty 452 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:09,440 positive that they took more on Grey Street than they were supposed to. They 453 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:13,440 ripped out some fences along the way. Um, she also was curious about the water 454 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:16,640 testing because that was done during the low time where everybody's at work and 455 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:21,440 she's wondering if it could be done during peak time. I know for ourselves 456 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:25,599 being on Grey Street, our well is not the greatest. We're probably about the 457 00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:29,760 same as Sharon, about a gallon per minute and we have concerns as well. 458 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:34,960 What's going to happen if we run out of water? Who's going to protect us? 459 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:38,200 Those are my questions. >> Thank you. 460 00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:43,280 Do you have a supplemental? >> Yes. 461 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:49,760 » Okay, Bob. Uh, just before you do, anyone else want to speak before? 462 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:54,720 » Okay, we'll get to you, Bob. Okay. >> Signing in right now because my wife is 463 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:59,760 signing. >> My name is Lucian Vanam. 464 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:04,400 » I live on Eden Line. I'd like clarification. 465 00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:11,760 You've seen them physically put in a sewer connection already, correct? Yes. 466 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:17,200 » How can someone start connecting to a sewer without this being even approved? 467 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:22,880 They've already started the development without approval. 468 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,359 How does that happen? >> If you're asking me 469 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,920 I'm >> asking anybody. 470 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:31,119 » Okay. No, I appreciate the question because [clears throat] I wasn't even 471 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:35,839 aware that there was a line. I'm I don't know if council is but I don't 472 00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:39,839 » so since since this line is already in can they be forced to rip it out because 473 00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:46,119 this is not an improved development already. 474 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,119 » Very good question. 475 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:56,240 » Good question. Thank you >> Bob. 476 00:52:53,599 --> 00:53:02,000 » Um yeah I was there when they did the poll test. 477 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:08,000 » Okay. on that well. And when they did the pull test on my 478 00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:15,599 property on the well that I drilled, this is how they did it. 479 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:17,520 They measured the level of water in my well. 480 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:27,520 » Mhm. >> Then they run that water, that well. 481 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:34,079 It was two days for sure, maybe three. Then they come back and they measured 482 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:38,559 the water in my well again. Then they pumped water into a 5gallon 483 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:42,800 pail and 484 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:51,119 time that how long it took the pale to fill up. And that's how they figured out 485 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:57,839 how many gallons a minute that we got. Now the pull test that was done behind 486 00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:04,559 this was nothing like that at all. I thought it very strange 487 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:10,480 because they had a truck there and the truck had a 45gallon barrel 488 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:17,079 and they filled that 45 they pump water into that 45gallon barrel and this went 489 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,079 on 490 00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:28,240 four, five, six hours, I'm not sure. Then they shut everything off and left 491 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:32,720 and they come back the next day and they did the same thing. 492 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:38,160 And then they come back, I believe, another day, they shut the well off and 493 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:46,800 they come back another day and did the same thing. 494 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:51,760 To me, that is not a viable pull test because every time they did their build 495 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:56,319 the barrel, so they did that all day long, 496 00:54:53,760 --> 00:55:01,760 they shut the well off. So, that would give the well 497 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:08,079 almost uh well, it give it plenty of time to regenerate and come back up to a 498 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:13,440 normal level. So, to me, that's 499 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:23,000 Not really a viable pull test that they did. 500 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,000 Thank you. Thank you, S. 501 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,079 Anyone else? 502 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:46,359 One more call. Like anyone else from the public wish to address? 503 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,359 » Oh, you don't want me to talk? 504 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,880 » It's an opportunity. >> Yeah. 505 00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:59,960 power forever holding 506 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,920 my shoulder. 507 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:55,200 Oh, I also live on Grace Rafe. Um, when they did the poll test, like Ed Ed said, 508 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:59,200 they did it in May. Um, sorry, not Ed, >> Ed. Bob, what 509 00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:02,799 » Bob? Um, said they did it in May. We'd had lots of rain. So, the wells are 510 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:08,720 going to be higher. They should have done it in August when 511 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:13,040 when we've had a heat wave like they said. They did it in the middle of the 512 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:18,480 workday so nobody was home. Why not do it Saturday when everybody's home doing 513 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:23,760 their laundry, right? They did it at the most ridiculous time. Um I have been 514 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:28,799 also told that the test was inconclusive. 515 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:34,160 So the results basically are null and void. there is no proof that we do have 516 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:38,720 enough water that we don't. Um I was told that by a gentleman who has made 517 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:42,960 inquiries and was more successful than Bob at getting an answer. 518 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:50,079 Um so if the results were inconclusive, 519 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:57,440 then how can you make a decision? We have 32 houses that are currently being 520 00:57:52,960 --> 00:58:05,200 put up slowly, thankfully. Um, but once they're up and we have the apartments, 521 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:10,319 » is that test going to be any good when we now have double the amount of 522 00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:18,640 residents um from what they tested? Like it makes 523 00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:22,720 no sense to have 32 apartments plus 32 housesing 524 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:27,839 when we don't have any of those actually lived in at the moment. 525 00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:32,400 Um, another issue is we're going to have a lot of people buying these h houses. 526 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:36,319 They're going to come in from cities because it's cheaper to live out here. 527 00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:40,480 Um, they're going to they're not going to be 528 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,200 used to living on a well, so they're going to want to water their lawn. 529 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:50,480 They're going to want to wash their trucks. Anybody in the area and is used 530 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:53,839 to it knows we don't water our lawns. We we only water something that you can 531 00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:56,799 eat. But a lot of people are going to be 532 00:58:55,359 --> 00:59:01,200 buying these houses because they're going to be cheaper than say a house in 533 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:05,599 Kitchener. So that's part of my concern as well. They're going to start watering 534 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:10,640 their lawns not realizing be that they're on wells, not city water, and 535 00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:16,160 we're all going to suffer. So, if my well goes dry because you put through 536 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:20,799 this bylaw that we can put an apartment building plus this subdivision into 537 00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:24,880 Eden, even though none of us want it there. 538 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:29,520 Are you guys going to truck water into us? 539 00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:34,960 » I can't afford to pay for water to be brought in on a monthly basis. Who's 540 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:41,599 going to pay that bill? Are you going to put up a water tower? If you put in um 541 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:45,599 water lines for us, that's coming out of my tax money. I'm going to have to pay 542 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:50,240 for that. So, I'm getting dinged either way. Who's going to cover the water if 543 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:55,680 we don't have it? And we're already telling you, we're running out of water. 544 00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:59,599 Years ago, I was taking care of a woman cuz I'm a PSW. I was taking care of a 545 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:06,559 woman. I had her in the middle of a shower. Her neighbor started the wash. 546 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:11,760 Her water was gone. We had no water. because they were on the same line. They 547 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:17,520 were on the same well and they had none and that was probably 548 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:23,520 a decade ago. So if the problem is a decade old or older, right? Why are we 549 01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:28,640 even discussing this? We do not. We all in this room know we don't have the 550 01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:32,079 water for this. And everybody knows you're not just going to have one person 551 01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:36,799 in each apartment. You're going to have up to four families of four. 552 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:40,880 They're all going to want to do their laundry. They're all going to want to 553 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:45,599 like have a swimming pool. They're all going to have splash pads. I can't have 554 01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:50,319 a slip and slide in my yard because I don't have enough water pressure. 555 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,920 Like my kid growing up never could have had a slip and slide. I don't have 556 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:57,920 enough water pressure to actually have a slip and slide for my kid when they had 557 01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:02,160 a birthday party. And these are all things that concern 558 01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:06,079 us. Not to mention the traffic. We already have people who are blowing 559 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:11,359 through Eden. It's a 50 zone. They're blowing through doing 110 easily. 560 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:15,520 What are you going to do to stop people? Are you How are you going to slow them 561 01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:20,319 down? There's going to be so much more traffic. We have plenty of kids that are 562 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:25,760 out all the time, right? They're riding their bikes. They're walking their dogs. 563 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:30,400 They're all over the place. We've already got an issue on Grey 564 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:35,359 Street because we've got kids who are out riding their bikes on a street that 565 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:41,040 is not even wide enough to let two cars pass without somebody pulling into 566 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:46,079 another person's yard. >> And now you're going to add that many 567 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:50,400 more people to the community. Somebody's going to get hit as it is. 568 01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:56,640 They don't pay attention to the stop signs at the only intersection we have 569 01:01:53,520 --> 01:02:02,799 in E. Hey, it's just it's unsafe. We don't have the 570 01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:08,319 the water for the water is a huge concern for all of us. That is the major 571 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:14,240 concern and we don't have it. Everybody in this room knows we don't have the 572 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:19,040 water. If we're already running out and they haven't even finished these these 573 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:25,440 buildings, there's no way that you're going to be h we're going to have enough 574 01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:32,480 water when they're done. So then you're going to have to end up spending money 575 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:36,079 in the end with supplying us with water. >> Okay, Michelle, it's your name. 576 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,760 » Estelle. >> Estelle, sorry. 577 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,000 What? >> Thank you. 578 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:54,799 Is there anyone else? >> Have to be a question. 579 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:59,720 concerned question. You want a follow-up question? Yes. 580 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,720 » Y please. 581 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:06,720 » I live at the end of Grey Street. >> Hi, Ed. 582 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,440 » I apologize. >> He's now the mayor. 583 01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:12,480 » Yep. There you go. Congratulations. >> My concern is she's right. We're on Grey 584 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:14,720 Street. >> Yeah. 585 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:19,760 » There's not enough room for two vehicles to pass. We have three speed bumps. The 586 01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:23,760 speed limit is 50 kilometers an hour >> on that little alley. We have kids 587 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,720 riding up and down that street like crazy because that's the only safe spot 588 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:32,640 for them to play >> other than the park which is in the 589 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:39,440 middle of being been uh Timbuktu, right? It's like way out. So, we have these 36 590 01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:43,680 houses that are coming in. We have a potential two buildings coming in. Plus, 591 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,359 is there not another subdivision across the street 592 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,920 » on the west >> possibly coming in? So, how many houses 593 01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:54,079 is that? How much water? How many more people? 594 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,599 Where's the safety? I don't know. I live rural. I come from a big city. I moved 595 01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:02,559 rural for a reason. >> I really don't want to see apartments. 596 01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:06,799 It doesn't belong in a hamlet. Maybe a village, maybe a town, 597 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:10,680 but not where we are. >> Great. Thank you for your comments. 598 01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:18,760 » All right. Final call for anyone else in the public. 599 01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:25,680 Okay, >> I think it might be appropriate to ask 600 01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:29,680 if Matt had any further information. >> That's where I was heading for. Uh Matt, 601 01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:35,119 did you have any followup or anything you wanted to uh add at this juncture 602 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:39,520 and keeping in mind just to want to clarify with uh Mr. Vaughn, the comments 603 01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:43,760 that have been uh put forward tonight will be captured within the uh the staff 604 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:47,469 report coming forward. >> All right. Thank you. 605 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:50,880 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um [clears throat] I we've certainly heard 606 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:54,559 a lot of commentary, some of which that is directly related to this application, 607 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,319 some of which is indirectly related to it. So I'll focus my comments on the 608 01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:04,079 ones that are directly related to this application. Um you know, certainly a 609 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:09,440 lot of uh concern about the the water. Um what I would suggest that council 610 01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:14,480 take a look at is the two reports that were completed by the subject matter 611 01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:20,319 experts, the mte hydrog report and the peer review. Um, I can't comment 612 01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:24,720 specifically on the actions that were taken on the ground at the time. I 613 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:28,559 wasn't there. Uh, in my line of work, we rely on those subject matter experts. 614 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:32,559 They're they're PNES. They're qualified by the province of Ontario. We rely on 615 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:36,960 them for their their opinion uh and their scientific work. So, uh, that's 616 01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:40,880 what we rely on in order to make our opinions as land use planners. So I 617 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:46,000 implore council to take a look at those reports uh and if those are satisfactory 618 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:50,319 to you then make your decision accordingly. If those reports are not 619 01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:55,760 satisfactory the municipality can certainly ask for more work to be done. 620 01:05:53,119 --> 01:06:00,880 I if that is the case, I suggest you you consult with your subject matter experts 621 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:06,319 to determine uh if the peer review that was done is not satisfactory. Well, what 622 01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:10,799 else may give council some comfort uh and comfort to the people of Eden that 623 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:16,720 have those concerns. Um I think that's I'll limit my comments 624 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:21,039 uh there. Um, one thing I did neglect to mention was that the um, I don't know 625 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:26,079 how much this really factors into it because it can't be regulated by zoning, 626 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:31,119 but um, this particular client is looking at buildings that are friendly 627 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:35,680 towards seniors. He's actively targeting that demographic. Just to be clear, this 628 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:41,920 is not a seniors building. This is not long-term care. Uh, his his market 629 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:47,119 strategy is to um try to attract seniors to his buildings. So, I think that's all 630 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,559 the additional information I have. I'm happy to answer any other questions, 631 01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:51,359 though. >> All right, Matt. Uh, thank you for 632 01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:55,920 opening the door on that because that is a question of mine. What are we looking 633 01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:59,920 at from a proposed build here? Are we looking at uh bachelors? Are we looking 634 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:03,440 at single? We looking at doubles? What are we looking at from a proposal? 635 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,240 » The build. >> That's a great question, right? 636 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:11,119 » I don't have a very good answer because the building plans themselves haven't 637 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:15,839 been created. The renderings that you saw, those are conceptual in nature. So 638 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:19,200 what what we do as a planning firm, so we're not architects, we don't design 639 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:23,119 the buildings. Uh the reason that those buildings have not yet been designed is 640 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:26,480 because that's a significant cost for our clients to go through. That's tens 641 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:31,920 of thousands of dollars. So that's why they're not designed yet. Uh t the 642 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:36,160 typical practice is we provide conceptual designs using you know how 643 01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:39,920 much area does a floor plate of the building then we can figure out roughly 644 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:44,400 how many units would that yield our clients tell us well what kind of square 645 01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:48,640 foot is there looking per unit not to your question what is the breakdown of 646 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:52,319 units how many onebs two bedrooms so on so and this that's a long-winded way of 647 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:55,039 saying I don't have a good answer I would anticipate a mix of one and two 648 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,400 bedrooms though >> all right because I think that is 649 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:02,000 probably some of concern out in the community too wondering know what's the 650 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:08,319 mix mix going to be uh again the population density you talked about 63 651 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:14,000 units per tech uh you know uh is uh we we don't know 652 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:18,239 whether we're talking about u attainability housing or accessibility 653 01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:21,520 housing or are we talking about affordable housing 654 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:26,640 there's a lot of unknowns >> so can I just respond to that so th 655 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:29,759 those specific terms attainable housing affordable housing 656 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:33,600 in in land use planning and I'm going to put on my land use planner hat. Those 657 01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:37,920 have specific meanings under the provincial planning statement. That is 658 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:43,279 not what this building is intended to be. So affordable housing by definition 659 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:46,960 is housing that is provided below market rate. And there's different ways to 660 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:51,600 figure out what market rate is. This would be a market rate building. Uh the 661 01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:56,400 information I provided to you was that in terms of marketing who our client is 662 01:08:53,920 --> 01:09:00,640 looking to to rent these units is typically he's targeting uh the senior's 663 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:04,640 demographic. >> Thank you for that. 664 01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:10,880 Does anyone on council have any additional questions for Matt before we 665 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:13,839 ch >> Thank you. I'm not sure if you can 666 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:19,440 answer this or not, but we're talking about um two gallons of uh water per 667 01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:25,759 minute coming in. So, when you do your pull test, you've got 36 residences 668 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:32,319 there. So, are you pulling it at 72 gallons per minute or at $2 or two 669 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:37,199 gallons per minute? Is like how are you quantifying it that it it works? So 670 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:42,080 through the mayor, the conclusions of the the water supply test, the pole test 671 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:47,839 is just a different term for it, uh was that there's 80 lers per minute that's 672 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:53,199 demonstrated to be sustained capacity. That's that's the 673 01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:59,600 So if there are those who have concerns about that report, I suggest that the 674 01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:04,560 municipality provide a copy of that report, all of the well tests. So as 675 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:09,280 part of that report, there's all the well logs as well. That's a required 676 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:13,600 component of that. As well, there is a peer review that the municipality 677 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:18,960 commissioned that our client had been pay the bill for. So it's at no cost to 678 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:22,560 the taxpayers. So to to answer your question, the conclusion states that 679 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:26,000 it's 80 liters per minute and that's right in the conclusion section of the 680 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:31,520 report. And the other question was someone requested that a new test be 681 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:36,800 done during peak times rather than during off times. Is that something that 682 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:39,600 they would be looking at doing? So through the mirror, I would I would 683 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:44,159 preface my answer with I'm not the subject matter expert on when those 684 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:49,760 tests should be done. However, I heard two different uh descriptions of what 685 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:53,440 happened. One was it happened during the middle of the day when nobody was home. 686 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:58,320 And then I had and then I heard another description saying it happened three 687 01:10:55,679 --> 01:11:02,080 consecutive days. So I'm not quite sure what to say on 688 01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:06,239 that. I don't have the specific information top of mind to tell you 689 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:11,520 exactly when that occurred. However, all of that information is contained in the 690 01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:17,199 well logs and the pump test reports in the document itself. So to to your 691 01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:23,920 question, is that something that would normally be done? No. the scope these 692 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:28,080 tests are scoped with the municipality prior to any work actually occurring. So 693 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:32,239 the the people who are responsible for making the decisions on whether a test 694 01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:36,800 is acceptable or not, they get together to figure out what is what is the scope 695 01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:41,520 when are these tests going to be done and my role is I assume that the subject 696 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:46,239 matter experts have done that and they're they're in agreement when that 697 01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:50,080 test was done. Again, the municipalities peer reviewer reviewed the tests and 698 01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:56,159 agreed with the findings. They didn't express any concern about that. 699 01:11:53,280 --> 01:12:02,960 » Okay. Thank you. to you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, probably out of 700 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:09,120 your scope, but who or how do you determine the maximum 701 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:14,080 uh capacity of that aquifer? There has to be a top limit. So, if you add 702 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:18,320 project on project, even if you're fine, and then the other ones, but there has 703 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:23,520 to be a total estimate of what that aquifer can support. Through the mirror, 704 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:28,480 great question. My degree in geography does not get me that answer. What I can 705 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:32,080 tell you though is um with all of the developments that I've been involved 706 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:38,400 with over my career, including we're doing a major uh hydrog pull test for a 707 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:44,080 site near Strathroy and they asked pretty much the same question. My 708 01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:49,040 understanding is that it's there isn't a specific answer to show well what is the 709 01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:53,760 total capacity of that aquifer. It's rather the other way around. It's what 710 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:59,120 is the water demand from that specific use and can that be supported by the 711 01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:02,080 aquaper. So it's a different way of answering a similar question. That's I'm 712 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:06,719 sorry that's the best that I can give you right now. 713 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:11,679 » Okay. Supplementary then. Um, when you do the pull test, is somebody checking 714 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:17,280 everybody else as well to see where the d draw down from the water table is? 715 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:22,880 Because it's it's going to pull closer to the source and less of a drop farther 716 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:30,560 away. I've been in a lot of old tests on large dairy farms in the 717 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:36,719 states and and and there is a draw down area. So assuming that you're fine, that 718 01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:42,000 doesn't mean somebody else's well or sandpoint is deep enough for the draw 719 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:46,239 down. And how in that study do people determine the effect? Are they going to 720 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:51,120 somebody else's well to see what the draw down is or did they estimate that 721 01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:54,159 through the mayor? Again, great question. I don't have a great answer 722 01:13:52,320 --> 01:14:00,159 for you. What I can tell you is that this this report concluded that effects 723 01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:03,440 on other wells uh is unlikely. I'm paraphrasing that. If you want to give 724 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:07,520 me a few minutes, I can go into the report and maybe get you more accurate 725 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:12,640 answer. I'm not aware if they actually went and monitored anyone else as well. 726 01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:16,480 If they did, it would be in the report. >> Just Matt, for clarification, is that 727 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:22,159 something that might be included within a future planning justification report? 728 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:25,400 » Yeah, if you wouldn't mind, just so they can hear you. 729 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,880 » Yeah. through the mayor. I thought it would good if I came to speak in case 730 01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:34,960 there's anyone at home listening as well. Um I I think it would be important 731 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,679 in our next report that we're going to bring forward. I think we need to dig 732 01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:41,520 into this a little bit more. Yeah, we need to look at those numbers. Uh we 733 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:46,080 need to, you know, talk to the folks that that did the study to make sure 734 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:50,080 everything checks out. I I hear it is a important concern from um those living 735 01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:53,120 around in the area. So I think it's something that we we need to really dig 736 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,400 into for our next report to make sure that everyone is getting um the 737 01:14:55,040 --> 01:15:01,040 information they're looking for. >> All right. Thank you for that. 738 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:04,880 » Can I ask you for a question? I know I'm not the mic but 739 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:08,320 » public meeting so we'll allow it. Come to the mic please. 740 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:12,040 » Please please come to the mic as so that they can hear you at home. 741 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:23,199 » How did the residents in Eden find out what the results of these tests were? 742 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:28,400 » Good question. You can never get >> should since it's going to affect us the 743 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:31,280 most. Shouldn't that information be available to us? 744 01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:34,320 » Please. >> How many people were involved in the 745 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:37,760 test? Right. >> Right. 746 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:42,080 » What all of the what all the results were. 747 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:46,480 » All right. Thank you. >> Through the mayor to ask the council and 748 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:50,719 everyone here. The the reports will be made public. This is um because they are 749 01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:53,280 associated with the application. They are public information just like 750 01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:58,560 everything else that has been part of this application. So, um they will be 751 01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:04,320 posted online. Um you can contact the planner uh Diana Morris who's working um 752 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:07,920 on this file and um if you can't find them online, we can also just email them 753 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:13,520 to you. But um yeah, we can we can share all of that information and then you can 754 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:18,400 peruse it at uh at your own leisure. >> Okay. Thank you for that. Matt, 755 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:21,679 would you please come up to the microphone and 756 01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:28,560 Make sure you sign in somewhere along the line and give us your name. 757 01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:32,320 » Yeah, my name is Elizabeth Mashian and this is my first time ever in this kind 758 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:36,880 of setup. >> Um, it took a lot of uh thinking whether 759 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:42,640 I should open my mouth or not. >> Um, my question is um I live in Eden on 760 01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:50,480 Eden line. >> Um, I have no problem so far with water. 761 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:59,679 Thank God. Um now if the residents of Eden did a petition that they refuse to 762 01:16:54,000 --> 01:17:04,960 accept the 36 unit the you know heavy density 763 01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:14,480 for Eden. Um what rights do the residents have to say we do not wish to 764 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:20,239 have so many units in our little hamlet. who decides 765 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:25,920 what you know what rights do we have? >> You have a right to be heard for sure 766 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:30,960 and your comments and all the comments tonight will be a part of the decision-m 767 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:38,000 process going forward. >> Yeah, because like u beside um and I 768 01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:44,800 would welcome um you know the resident how can I put it senior building I would 769 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:50,640 welcome it however um Eden is may not be the you know best um place for you know 770 01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:55,679 the seniors because they would need rights to deal somewhere 771 01:17:53,199 --> 01:18:01,920 there are no services and when also another thing is if that 36 unit were to 772 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:08,239 be approved uh does the municipality have um land for parks on the east side 773 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:15,840 of Eden um where the children could go to 774 01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:20,560 » um yeah And should there be no other, you know, bigger improvements in Eden, 775 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:26,719 like widening, if it can be done, widening the streets, you know, and 776 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:33,199 making um um place for children on the east side, like I'm concerned about the 777 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:40,640 social welfare of the people. Um Eden, I moved to Eden 11 years ago and it has 778 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:48,000 grown so much. Um the population uh statistic was 596 people at that time 779 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:55,040 and um we had cornfield across from us and so many houses uh popped up since 780 01:18:51,280 --> 01:19:02,560 then and now 34 31 units on the west side 34 units on 781 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:06,239 the east side and another 36. That's like um Eden doubling almost. 782 01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:12,640 » Mhm. >> Uh you know and and not to mention you 783 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:17,520 know like um if it's a smaller property I haven't paid attention how big the 784 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:24,960 property is but it's not just the people possibly you know families with children 785 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:30,480 also pets and everything. Um I'm I feel for the people who would be in the 786 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:35,920 neighborhood because it's a big change. So um 787 01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:42,159 My my question and recommendation would be is to turn that land into just you 788 01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:46,400 know put up a few other new houses if you know the owner 789 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:53,120 and you know wishes to put something there or turn it into a nice park 790 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:58,719 » or something like that. But anyway, it may be too late for me to 791 01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:04,159 suggest anything. But anyway, that's that's all the question is what the main 792 01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:09,520 main point I wanted to make is do the residents of Eden if every house in Eden 793 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:18,159 signed we do not wish to have that 36 unit two stories um two buildings um in 794 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:22,159 the on that property penetently refused. >> All right. Well, thank you for your 795 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:25,159 comments. Thank you for listening to me. >> Absolutely. 796 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:44,159 We do did move to Eden uh to have a quieter life too. And the traffic on on 797 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:49,520 Eden line has quadrupled in the 10 years. and and we like to walk and we 798 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:56,719 walk on the side of the road and we have to cross the street highway 19 every day 799 01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:59,760 and um yeah we have to stop and yeah it's it's it's dangerous that corner is 800 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:03,679 very dangerous. >> It is. Elizabeth may may ask do you live 801 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:06,400 on the west side or east side? >> I live on the west side next to the 802 01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,560 cemetery. >> Okay. Yeah. Not a problem because uh we 803 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:14,880 happen to have a county official here. I just wanted to make a comment. It's a 60 804 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:18,719 kilometer zone there, isn't it? Um it is yeah on 805 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:24,480 » 50 km on blank and 50 km on Eden. >> Yes. And can it be reduced to can it be 806 01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:28,400 reduced to 50 on Eden line as well? >> That's what I'm trying to see from 807 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:32,159 people. >> Wow. That's 808 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:36,000 » well that's a different story but uh you know I I would love to have someone 809 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:40,080 write me a letter and tell me that there was a request and then we can push that. 810 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:47,040 Well, I know tonight is it's not the topic, but a kind of traffic reduction 811 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:53,440 needs to be um done. Yeah. >> And under 6 hours and be out there 812 01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:58,560 » and and can be four o'clock in the afternoon too coming. Yeah. And and it 813 01:21:55,679 --> 01:22:06,560 is that corner is very dangerous. I had two close close calls in just in the 814 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:10,800 last month. Somebody almost took took me took the corner sharp and the other one 815 01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:16,560 is motor bike jumping out you know near the corner to pass cars. Anyway, that's 816 01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:20,320 another topic. Sorry. Thank you. >> All right. Well, thank you for that 817 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:24,639 those comments and we kind of strayed a little bit off topic. I think it was 818 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:29,040 important. >> Uh 819 01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:30,639 okay. You have additional >> Yeah. 820 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:34,800 » supplementary. >> Yeah. 821 01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:39,480 Okay. Because it's a public meeting. 822 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,480 Absolutely, Robert. 823 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:45,280 » Yeah. >> It's not just repetitive though, right? 824 01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:51,679 It's new. >> Well, part is a question and the other 825 01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:56,199 part is just a statement. >> Okay. 826 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:56,199 Sure. 827 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:11,760 When they did the pull test, I mentioned how it was how it was done. 828 01:23:08,719 --> 01:23:18,880 I I've watched them do that. Other pull tests, like I said, ours was 829 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:25,440 run for two or three days straight, 24 hours a day. Wasn't done here. 830 01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:32,719 » Okay, that's that statement. The second statement I'd like to make is that the 831 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:39,600 county sent me information on they put up radar 832 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:43,320 uh coming into Eden and going out of Eden, Strafordville 833 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:50,239 and the top speed going through Eden 50 kilometer hour 834 01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:56,600 zone was 835 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,600 180 kilometers an Uh 836 01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:03,520 » that should be a matter of public record, 837 01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:07,199 » Rob. Bob, it was this was discussed around council 838 01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:10,639 » last summer. That best was done last summer 839 01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:14,800 » and the uh this was discussed around council at that time. 840 01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:19,280 » Uh I know that public or excuse me uh the director of engineering up at the 841 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:23,280 county is well aware of what's going on. >> Uh it is a it is a 842 01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:27,679 » it's a huge issue. It's an enforcement issue. You're absolutely correct. 843 01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:33,440 » So, but we are aware of it. Yes. >> And the Stratfordville, I believe it was 844 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:37,679 100 and 12 or 140 845 01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:41,760 » 140 at the library. >> Yeah. In the school zone. 846 01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:43,920 » Uh well, the library isn't school zone, but there was uh 847 01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:45,360 » there was a school zone. >> There was another one at the school 848 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:50,880 zone. >> Yeah. And it was very like two or three 849 01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:53,920 times the speed limit there. Well, some of this was at 10 in the morning. 850 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:57,920 » Yeah. >> Okay. It's kind of disturbing, but yes, 851 01:24:56,239 --> 01:25:00,639 and that we are kind of getting off topic. 852 01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:02,239 » Yeah, I know. So, I just wanted to add that in. 853 01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,520 » All right. >> Thank you. 854 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:08,000 » Thank you. >> Yeah, Matt, please. 855 01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:13,280 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just to respond to councelor Emerson's question 856 01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:16,800 about were other properties monitored, looking at the report, yes, other 857 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:20,159 properties were. There were four properties that agreed to have their 858 01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,960 wells monitored for this. that is reflected in the test. 859 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,800 » Just get back to that question. Thank you. 860 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:28,239 » Great. Well, thank you for that. L, you had a followup. 861 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:33,840 » Um, now that it's been stated that they're 862 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:40,000 targeting seniors for these apartments, what is to stop the developer from 863 01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:45,920 changing his mind and going to three, four bedrooms for families? That is 864 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:50,719 going to make a huge difference on the water drop. 865 01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:57,520 » Yeah. at 80 lers per minute. That has been said of correct 866 01:25:53,760 --> 01:26:04,320 that's less than 20 gallons a minute. >> How many units 867 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:10,159 will support will that 20 gallons support? There's a minimum water 868 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:14,800 allowance before you can have a uh move in permit. because they're not 869 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:22,719 like you have to have a minimum amount of water going into a house before it'll 870 01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:27,120 be allowed to be occupied. So a 36 unit that's not even a gallon a minute going 871 01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:32,400 into each unit. 872 01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:36,639 Point is well taken. I'm not sure how the calculation is on a multi-res, but 873 01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:41,280 you're right. From a single residential, there is a quantity component from the 874 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:44,159 provincial requirement. I don't know how it's calculated, but you're right. And I 875 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:47,280 don't even know what the design is going to be. And and Matt, you're not the 876 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:51,199 architect of Exactly. >> We don't know whether they're going to 877 01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:54,400 incorporate tanks to pressurize things and have holding tank. We don't know. 878 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:58,800 But you've got a valid point and the crew has a valid point. What's going to 879 01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:05,360 stop them though from deciding, oh yeah, we can't get enough seniors. Let's bring 880 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:09,520 in four or five people families. >> You're right. 881 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:14,239 » So until that is settled, until we have an absolute concrete plan, 882 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:19,600 there should be this shouldn't even be considered because when they can change 883 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:24,400 it at will, they can do what they want and once it's approved, it's too late. 884 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:27,400 » All right. Well, thank you for your comments. 885 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:35,800 Final call. Anyone else? 886 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:57,520 » My name is Dean Crawford. entirely uneine and uh I just wanted to express 887 01:27:54,960 --> 01:28:02,880 my concern about the the amount of volume of traffic and the growth in the 888 01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:06,159 village. Uh the playground, the store, the restaurant, the church, the 889 01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:10,639 mailboxes are all on the west side of of Highway 19 [clears throat] 890 01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:14,159 » and uh there's no pedestrian crosswalk. I mean, we're talking about some lights 891 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:20,239 and some paint here, right? To uh make it safe for kids and for the citizens of 892 01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:24,480 the of the neighborhood. So, I would like to put forward a request. I'm 893 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:30,159 sorry. I have a condition that caused me to shake, but uh I'd like to uh put 894 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:33,920 forward a request that we have a a pedestrian crosswalk put in. Take that 895 01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:37,840 under consideration. >> All right. Thank you for that. 896 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,840 » Thank you. 897 01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:56,960 Okay, I'm seeing no one move to the mic. There's been a lot of issues raised this 898 01:28:54,719 --> 01:29:02,239 evening. I want to thank you all for uh bringing this forward. It's important 899 01:28:59,679 --> 01:29:06,480 from a planning perspective and for gathering all the information we can 900 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:11,280 before we move forward. Uh Matt, uh there has been no 901 01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:15,920 correspondence other you mentioned there has been some correspondence you've 902 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:20,080 received with this file. Okay. 903 01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:25,440 I don't believe there is any other business before this public meeting 904 01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:28,880 which will then bring us to the adjournment. 905 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:32,400 So, we have a motion that would read that the zoning bylaw be considered at a 906 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,880 future meeting of council and that pursuant to the planning act 907 01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:40,880 requirements, the public meeting for zoning application ZBA 0726 908 01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:44,880 and official plan amendment OPA0326 is now completed at 909 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:49,280 8:29 p.m. 910 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:55,679 Do I have a mover and second, please? Councelor Chilcott seconded by Deputy 911 01:29:52,159 --> 01:30:00,480 Mayor Wisler. All in favor? That is carried. We are jured.