[0:08] your worship. We are live.
>> Good evening and work. Welcome to the
[0:13] regular session of council for the
municipal bam. It is Thursday, September
[0:17] the 3rd, 2026, 7 p.m. and I will call
this meeting to order.
[0:22] I'll remind members of any disclosures
of pecuniary interest in the general
[0:26] nature thereof.
Seeing none noted
[0:32] would note that there are no items not
listed on the agenda.
[0:37] So we're clear there. Let's go with
announcements. Does anyone have any
[0:42] announcements for the evening?
Councelor Chopan.
[0:48] » The Mason breakfasts are back this year
and I know John is very excited.
[0:56] » So they start September 20th. September
20th from 8 till 1.
[1:00] » From 8 to 1.
>> Be there.
[1:04] » It's in Vienna. Just to make it clear.
>> In Vienna to be clear.
[1:10] » Thank you for that. Uh, Mr. Mark.
>> Oh, thank you, your worship. Uh, the
[1:15] registration date for the September bulk
garbage pickup is Monday, September
[1:19] 14th.
[1:23] » No. Is that right?
[1:28] I thought the pickup was the 14th.
>> Oh, that's what
[1:33] » Okay.
>> I thought the registration date was the
[1:36] eight.
>> Yes.
[1:37] » That's what it says in the sign out
front.
[1:39] » Oh, maybe is the pickup date.
>> Pickup date is the 14th. Registration's
[1:42] on the 8th.
>> Okay. Sorry.
[1:44] » This was just a trial run. Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:50] » No worries. No,
>> we'll just uh Yeah. Okay,
[1:55] » I'll get it right next time. All right.
Uh I have three announcements. Uh the
[2:00] first is that uh the decoration day for
the Eden Cemetery is this weekend. It is
[2:05] on Sunday uh the 6th of September. Uh if
any one wishes to participate, please
[2:11] do.
Uh this uh also today marked the last
[2:16] day for our public works students and uh
we thank them for their service over the
[2:22] year. Hopefully they had a decent
experience this past summer and uh we
[2:26] thank them for their help and I believe
this is the last week as well for our
[2:31] students at the marine museum. Likewise
uh these are programs that uh would be
[2:36] difficult to run without having students
around to get the to staff exactly you
[2:41] know the the museum itself. So, we thank
them for that.
[2:48] And I'm seeing no more announcements,
which then moves us down to section
[2:52] seven, adoption of the minutes of
previous meeting, which include the
[2:55] regular meeting of council held on
August 20th, 2026.
[2:59] Everyone's had opportunity to approve
those minutes. If there are no errors or
[3:03] omissions,
the motion would read that the minutes
[3:06] from the regular meeting of council held
on August the 20th, 2026 be approved as
[3:11] presented. Do I have a mover and second
her? Councelor Emerson will move.
[3:15] Councelor Chilcott will second. All in
favor?
[3:20] That's carried.
[3:23] Moving on down to section 12,
development services, sustainability and
[3:28] conservation 121, correspondence and
1211 to receive for information. Item A,
[3:34] notice of public meeting regarding
ZBA0726,
[3:38] an official plan amendment OPA0326
at two, not at, but it's 2455892,
[3:45] Inc. at 11470 Plank Road. Does anyone
have any questions regarding that piece
[3:52] of correspondence?
[3:56] If not, need a mover and second that
item 1211A be received for information.
[4:03] Councelor Chilcott will move. Deputy
Mayor Weisler will second. All in favor?
[4:10] It's carried.
Section 13, finance administration 131
[4:15] correspondence
and 1311 to receive for information.
[4:22] Five pieces of correspondence. Item A is
the Elgen County regarding the committee
[4:26] of the whole minutes for July the 14th,
2026.
[4:30] Item B, Elgen County regarding the
county council minutes for July the
[4:34] 14th, 2026.
Item C, Elgen County regarding Elgen,
[4:39] excuse me, county council highlights for
August the 11th, 2026.
[4:44] D, town of Plimpmpton, Wyoming regarding
sustainable provincial grant funding for
[4:49] fire services in Ontario. And item E,
the Ontario Energy Board regarding
[4:54] notice of hearing for Nbridge Gas, Inc.
Does anyone have any questions regarding
[4:59] this correspondence wish to draw
attention to?
[5:04] Councelor Chilcott.
>> Thank you. I believe we received some um
[5:09] emails regarding PR11 and the
clarification of the funds being
[5:14] transferred. I
>> think we will deal with that under the
[5:19] uh waterfront advisory committee
recommendations. Okay. Which will be
[5:22] upcoming 132.
you. Any other questions on any of this
[5:28] correspondence?
All right. Then I need a mover and
[5:33] seconder for the following. That items
1311A through E be received for
[5:37] information. Moved by councelor
Schilcott, second by Deputy Mayor
[5:42] Weisert. All in favor? That's carried.
Moving down to 13.2 reports to council.
[5:50] Item A, CL0926
by Alan Bushell. clerk regarding the
[5:54] waterfront advisory committee
recommendations. Uh Mr. Bushell,
[5:59] » uh thank you, worship. Uh there is some
uh recommendations put through from um
[6:03] the waterfront committee. Um the list is
before you. Uh ultimately, we're just
[6:09] asking that you receive this information
for this report for information.
[6:15] » Thank you, Alan. Councelor Chilcott,
this was the item that you uh were
[6:19] mentioning,
>> correct? I think there was um a little
[6:24] bit of clarification that needed to be
made or was requested to be made as to
[6:30] where that 325 came from and how it was
going to be reallocated. It was a
[6:36] request that it be kept in the
beachfront rather than allocated
[6:40] elsewhere if we no longer have to do the
peers. Correct.
[6:46] That's not what the recommendation
states in the waterfront advisory
[6:49] committee, but I understand that may be
the intent of what uh they were
[6:52] speaking. The chair of the waterfront
advisory committee happens to be here.
[6:55] Perhaps she might recall what specific
was. Otherwise, uh Cindy, I think you're
[7:01] prepared to uh speak to that.
>> Did you want to speak to that, Cindy?
[7:07] » Um thanks. Yes, through uh the mayor to
council. Um so there was a discussion
[7:13] about the total there is 50,000 that was
part of the 2026 capital budget um and
[7:20] it's from the parking reserve. So if the
money is not spent then that money will
[7:25] still remain in that reserve. The rest
of the money was 275,000
[7:31] um for the East Pier rehab project and
that is part of the 2027 budget and it's
[7:38] actually a source of financing would be
levy but during the 2027 budget capital
[7:44] budget we would be talking about that
there.
[7:48] » Okay.
>> All right.
[7:52] Any other
comments or questions?
[8:00] So I assume the process uh to receive
for information is something that uh
[8:04] would possibly come up during the
capital budget.
[8:09] » The items could be received. Yes.
>> Deputy Mayor Wiser.
[8:14] » Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just for
clarity with the budget re these
[8:17] recommendations will show up on the
report
[8:20] » or do we have to bring them forward
again?
[8:23] » That's where I was looking for
clarification.
[8:25] » Yeah.
These will be I just want to confirm
[8:30] these recommendations will be provided
in the report when the capital budget is
[8:34] presented.
>> Uh the administrative decision regarding
[8:38] that would come through the CEO and or
the treasurer and or the uh manager for
[8:43] infrastructure which would be Steve. Uh
so ultimately I would defer to the CEO
[8:49] whether we're confirming we're putting
it on the budget. The the issue largely
[8:52] is is a lot of these items go across
decades. So when when we plug it is is
[8:58] going to have to have some form of
discretion
[9:01] » through you, Mr. Mayor. Perhaps maybe
even if we could just refer to the
[9:06] report, not necessarily like bring that
information forward, but we do need to
[9:12] refer to these recommendations
specifically from this report for
[9:16] budgets because this council is going to
be different when we're looking at the
[9:21] budget.
[9:24] So, if if I could make that
recommendation or just make sure that
[9:27] that these reports are itemized in the
capital budget
[9:32] » through the mayor to uh council. Uh yes,
we can find a way to be able to do that.
[9:40] » Similar to attached to it.
>> Yes.
[9:48] So the question begins or is deputy
mayor, are you comfortable with what the
[9:53] proposed recommendation may be
>> or would you like to have it more
[9:57] formalized?
The recommendation reads that report
[10:01] CL0926
regarding the waterfront advisory
[10:04] committee recommendations be received
for information.
[10:09] » Um through you, Mr. Mayor, perhaps we
could include and that report CL0926
[10:15] be referenced in the upcoming budget,
capital budget. I I'm I'm not sure what
[10:20] the wording would be on that, but
>> referred.
[10:23] » I would say referred to
>> or referred to. Okay. And I'm
[10:26] comfortable with that. I just would like
to make sure that these get brought
[10:30] forward so that they can have a robust
discussion about that at budget time.
[10:39] Got that?
>> Yep.
[10:40] » You like to read it?
>> Okay. So, it's it's a two-stage
[10:45] resolution that report CL96
regarding waterfront advisory committee
[10:50] recommendations be received for
information and that uh report CL926
[10:56] regarding waterfront advisory committee
recommendations be referred to the
[11:00] upcoming capital budget.
Okay. Do we have a move or second for
[11:06] that? Deputy Mayor Wisler,
Councelor Chilcott. All in favor of
[11:12] that? That's carried. Thank you. Item B,
CL 1026 by Alan Bushell, clerk,
[11:19] regarding the museum advisory committee
final meeting.
[11:23] » Thank you, worship. Uh, the final uh
museum advisory committee uh
[11:28] unfortunately uh failed to be quorum due
to uh very understandable circumstances.
[11:33] Uh with that, the group still did go
through the agenda. Uh so what we're at
[11:38] right now is a procedural moment where
the committee can't uh approve the
[11:44] items. Uh so council being the body that
oversees the committee will just have to
[11:50] make the resolution for them.
>> And so we're just asking that you accept
[11:54] the agenda and that you approve the
items inside of it. The items inside of
[11:58] it had no actions whatsoever. They were
allformational and very very down low
[12:03] operational day-to-day stuff for the
facility.
[12:08] discussion.
[12:16] » Deputy Mayor Wiser.
>> Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. Sorry,
[12:19] this is the first time I've had this
come up, so I'm just going to ask for a
[12:21] clarifying question. I reviewed the
agenda but I there's no minutes so there
[12:28] was no in terms of like so there's no
action to be taken just so because I
[12:33] don't if I'm blanket approving something
>> I haven't seen any minutes
[12:39] » through through your through your
worship that's the exact problem uh
[12:42] since we weren't able to hit quorum we
didn't actually generate minutes
[12:45] » ah okay
>> supplementary
[12:49] » yes
>> so if we didn't generate minutes what
[12:51] are we approving
uh just the reports inside of the
[12:54] reports. It's just a cascading council
to the committee uh finalizing the
[12:59] committee's final meeting. It's just
>> interesting.
[13:03] » It's closing a file.
>> It's just it's okay. Okay, fair enough.
[13:08] Because usually when there's cor when
there isn't quorum, we don't have a
[13:12] meeting
>> through your worship. Uh yeah, and what
[13:15] would happen procedurally is we would
have rescheduled a meeting.
[13:18] Unfortunately, since we're at the end of
our term, we couldn't do that. Uh, fair.
[13:21] » Then I had to create this, you know.
>> Okay.
[13:25] Sorry. [laughter]
>> I'm getting all the good stuff right at
[13:29] the end, man.
>> It's a learning moment,
[13:32] » right?
>> Okay. Any other questions?
[13:36] » All right. The motion would read that
report CL 1026 regarding the museum
[13:40] advisory committee final meeting be
received for information and that the
[13:44] items listed on the August 12th 2026
museum advisory committee agenda be
[13:49] received for information
second councelor froze will move
[13:54] councelor Chilcott will second all in
favor that's carried
[14:00] brings us down to section 14 the bylaws
[14:07] Looks like we only have one bylaw number
2026049
[14:10] being a bylaw to authorize execution of
an agreement between the corporation and
[14:14] municipality of BAM and Bros Excavating
Limited for the Eden Pump Station
[14:19] upgrades. Does anyone have any questions
on the bylaw? The report was out last
[14:23] month or last meeting, excuse me.
[14:30] Seeing none, the motion would read that
bylaw number 202649 be read first,
[14:35] second, and third time, and finally
pass. Do I have a mover or second for
[14:39] that? Councelor Emerson will move.
Councelor Chilov will second. All in
[14:43] favor,
carried.
[14:48] Don't believe we have any unfinished
business or other business.
[14:54] We can close this meeting out because we
have a public meeting coming up. So
[14:59] we'll do the confirming bylaw.
Need a mover and seconder for the
[15:04] following. That bylaw number 2026 050 be
read a first, second, and third time and
[15:08] finally passed. Councelor Chilcott will
move. Deputy Mayor Weiser will second.
[15:14] All in favor?
That is carried. Which brings us to the
[15:18] adjournment motion that the council
meeting be adjourned at 7:15
[15:25] p.m.
>> Move and second.
[15:29] » I kind of thought councelor froze would
get there and councelor Chilcott will
[15:33] second. All in favor
we are. That is carried. We are
[15:38] adjourned the regular meeting.
Um please stand by. We will reset for
[15:45] the public meeting which will begin at
7:30.
[29:54] your worship.
[30:00] Good evening everyone and welcome to the
statutory planning meeting for the
[30:04] municipality of BAM is Thursday
September the 3rd 2026 7:30 p.m. and I
[30:09] will call this meeting to order
remind the uh council of any disclosures
[30:14] of punary interest in the general nature
thereof.
[30:19] Seeing none noted
just to remind everyone this evening we
[30:24] are dealing with an application. This is
an approval that this is an application
[30:29] for a proposed zoning bylaw amendment
ZBA0726
[30:33] and the official plan amendment OPA0326
2455892
[30:40] Inc. 11470 Plank Road.
The purpose of this combined official
[30:46] plan amendment and zoning bylaw
amendment is to permit the development
[30:50] of two two-story apartment buildings
containing a total of 36 residential
[30:54] units, 18 units in each building on
lands serviced by private water and to
[31:00] reszone the subject lands from holding
Hamlet residential HRH2 zone to sight
[31:06] specific Hamlet residential HRH1
H2X
[31:11] zone to permit multiple unit residential
dwellings on lands that are not serviced
[31:16] by municipal water, which requires the
additional following provisions.
[31:22] Sections 9.12.x
[31:26] to add apartment buildings as an
additional permitted use on the subject
[31:29] lands. Section 9.12.x
to apply a holding H1 provision to the
[31:35] lands addressing servicing capacity
confirmation prior to development
[31:39] proceeding.
The subject lands are located at 11470
[31:44] Plank Road. The effect of this combined
official plan of amendment and the
[31:49] zoning bylaw amendment is to permit
multi-unit residential development,
[31:53] including apartment buildings, on lands
within the Hamlet designation that rely
[31:58] on private rather than municipal water
services. Additionally, the effect of
[32:02] the zoning bylaw amendment is to permit
the development of two two-story
[32:07] apartment buildings containing a total
of 36 residential units on the subject
[32:11] lands subject to the sight specific
provisions described above and subject
[32:16] to a holding H1 provision addressing the
servicing capacity confirmation prior to
[32:21] development proceeding. The holding H1
provision is intended to ensure public
[32:26] health and safety, an agreement with the
municipality or the satisfying of
[32:30] conditions of severance which addresses
the impacts of the new development on
[32:34] the applicable water supply system
and/or sewage treatment and disposal
[32:39] system which may include issues relating
to water capacity, water quantity, water
[32:44] quality and financial costs will be
required prior to removal of the H1 zone
[32:50] symbol.
Now, at this point, I'm pleased to
[32:54] welcome uh Matt Bond, director of
planning for Alvin County. I believe
[32:58] Matt, you're here to provide a a brief
presentation. So, floor is yours.
[33:04] » Okay. Thank you very much. Um through
the mayor, to council, and the folks in
[33:09] the room tonight. Uh yes, I'm here to uh
give a a brief presentation on the
[33:12] application OPA0326
and ZBA0726.
[33:19] So the subject lands are located on the
east side of Plank Road between Grey
[33:23] Street and Bailey Court. Lands have a
frontage of 22 meters on Plank Road and
[33:27] a depth of 182.8 m. They have a total
area of 1.36
[33:33] acres. They are currently vacant.
[33:38] So the next slide here just shows some
of the surrounding land uses. So, uh,
[33:42] primarily we're looking at existing
detached, uh, single detached dwellings,
[33:47] um, surrounding the property and, uh, a
development, um, adjacent that is
[33:51] currently under construction.
[33:55] This next slide just shows a view of the
subject lands from the road looking east
[34:00] from Plank Road and also looking south
Grace Street.
[34:06] The Elgen County official plan um has
the lands that are within the tier 2
[34:11] settlement area on schedule A of the
county's uh structure plan. Uh these
[34:15] settlement areas have limited municipal
services and lower levels of amenity and
[34:19] employment opportunities.
[34:23] Uh municipality BAM official plan. The
proposed development is located within
[34:27] an established settlement area being the
Eden Hamlet area. The Hamlet's
[34:31] designation permits a range of low to
medium density residential uses.
[34:36] Although the proposed development is a
permitted use, an official plan
[34:39] amendment is required to permit the
proposed development as a uh as the
[34:43] subject lands do not have access to
municipal water or sewer services.
[34:50] Uh the proposed development um the
subject lands are proposed to be
[34:55] developed for a for two two-story
apartment buildings containing a total
[34:59] of 36 residential units with associated
surface parking. Uh right now it's
[35:04] showing 63 uh spaces total. Each
apartment building is proposed to
[35:08] contain 18 residential units and
development would comprise of a density
[35:13] of approximately 65 units per hectare.
The next slide just shows some
[35:19] conceptual elevations. So these these
aren't in concrete or anything. These
[35:24] are just um just an idea of what the
buildings could look like.
[35:31] So the propo proposed official plan
amendment um they are designated hamlet
[35:36] as I said in schedule one of the land
use uh in municipality of BM official
[35:40] plan. The hamlet land use designation
permits multi-unit residential forms
[35:44] such as apartment buildings. However,
the settlement area of Eden is on
[35:48] partial municipal services. An official
plan amendment is required to permit
[35:52] multi-unit dwellings on lands that do
not have municipal water services
[35:56] available.
And the zoning the subject lands are
[36:00] zoned holding hamlet residential in the
municipality of BAM zoning bylaw. The HR
[36:06] zone permits single detached dwellings,
a bed and breakfast, lodging or tourism
[36:10] home, converted dwellings, home
occupation, private garage or carport as
[36:14] an accessory use. An apartment building
is not a permitted use. Sight specific
[36:19] zoning bylaw amendment applications
required to add apartment buildings as a
[36:23] permitted use. The purpose of the
existing holding H2 zone is to ensure
[36:28] orderly development and address
servicing impacts of the new
[36:32] development.
[36:35] So a sightsp specific zoning bylaw
amendment is requested uh to add
[36:39] apartment buildings multi-unit dwellings
as a permitted use and just to point out
[36:43] all of the other zoning provisions of
the parent zone will be met according to
[36:48] what has been proposed.
So the next steps in the planning
[36:52] process um following this public meeting
all comments received will be reviewed
[36:56] and considered as part of planning
analysis including in relation to
[37:00] applicable provincial policies and plans
preparation for future recommendation
[37:04] report. A staff recommendation report
will be brought forward to council at a
[37:09] future meeting for consideration and a
decision regarding the proposed zoning
[37:13] bylaw amendment and official plan
amendment. Lastly, I would just like to
[37:17] point out that uh staff did receive uh a
number of letters, emails um with some
[37:24] concerns about the proposal. Overall,
the central issue um is whether Eden has
[37:30] groundwater, sewer capacity,
transportation infrastructure, and
[37:34] community services necessary to safely
and appropriately accommodate the scale
[37:39] and density of residential growth,
particularly when the proposed
[37:43] development is considered cumulatively
with other planned developments in this
[37:47] hamlet. Um sounds like there's some
folks here that will speak to that. And
[37:51] I will also point out with us tonight is
the applicant agent Matt Campbell who
[37:54] can also help to answer some questions
about what's being proposed. There any
[37:58] questions for me? I'm happy to answer
them.
[38:03] » All right. Thank you very much for that.
Uh Matt, I'm thinking at this point uh
[38:07] unless someone wants a specific question
from uh Mr. Vaughn, uh we'll move right
[38:12] on into the uh the public participation.
Okay. Thank you.
[38:23] So this is uh your opportunity to speak.
Uh if you've signed in, please come up,
[38:27] state your name, and uh yes, have your
say, please.
[38:33] My name is Robert Ketchup
and uh to address
[38:41] worship and the
council. Okay.
[38:47] My first concern
is the wells and the attic water water
[38:53] supply.
Guess I better get my glasses on.
[39:00] This well
that was drilled and the one they're
[39:04] going to use
it has had a pull test
[39:11] done on it. It was completed by Tom
Thompson Hecky, the engineer at MTE
[39:19] Consultants.
Results were not shared with the public.
[39:25] The phone number that they gave on the
letter that they put out is no longer in
[39:33] service.
and the email. I'm still waiting for a
[39:39] response.
In the past,
[39:44] there's been three wells drilled here on
this parcel of land. All three contained
[39:50] thick black sulfur water.
The pipes were removed from two of the
[39:56] wells and the holes were filled.
Their third well remains and is on the
[40:03] neighbor's property at the back.
When the pool test was done on it, their
[40:09] water was thick and black sulfur.
The bylaw officer was called because
[40:15] people thought someone was pumping
sewage on the ground. This should be on
[40:19] record with the township.
My question is, is there going to be a
[40:24] purification system and storage tank put
in for that water?
[40:30] If yes, then where is it going to be?
A large number of people in Eden now get
[40:36] one to two gallons a minute because of
all the wells being drilled and that
[40:41] have been drilled there in the past few
years.
[40:45] With 36 more apartments being added, how
will this affect Eden's water supply?
[40:54] Number two, my number two concern is the
sewer on the proposed property.
[41:01] There is a sewer line installed
which is bigger than a private sewer
[41:10] line.
This line was attached to the public
[41:15] sewer line
across Plank Road on the west side.
[41:21] I witnessed this myself.
The township
[41:26] oversaw this. This should be on public
record. Why is it being described as a
[41:33] private sewage line when it is already
connected to the public sewage line?
[41:41] Number three,
Plank Road is very high traffic 24/7
[41:48] and a very congested area.
According to a vehicle count report done
[41:55] two years ago,
there were 28,000
[41:59] vehicles recorded
going to be
[42:04] using Plank Road. This should be on
public record as well.
[42:09] At the very least,
there will be 36
[42:14] more vehicles
going in and out on this site on Plank
[42:20] Road with only one
laneway. [clears throat]
[42:27] No stop signs are there now and no
lights and no warning signs.
[42:33] There have been several accidents at the
intersection of Plank Road and Eden
[42:38] Line.
And this is just going to add to
[42:43] number four. Eden is a hamlet, not a
village or a town.
[42:50] The service services and resources are
nonexistent
[42:57] or very very limited.
A high density residential development
[43:04] is not appropriate for this handle.
Any questions?
[43:14] » Thank you, Bob.
[43:22] » Next,
council. My name is Matt Campbell. I'm
[43:26] the agent.
>> Oh, sure. Did you sign in, please?
[43:29] » Uh, I can. Yes,
>> we would appreciate that.
[43:31] » Um, I don't have a there's no pen here.
>> Oh, would it be more for me to respond
[43:41] back?
>> Okay. Perhaps uh Matt, I apologize. Just
[43:44] been advised by the clerk that might be
more appropriate uh after everyone's had
[43:48] an opportunity, you can respond.
>> Sure, we can do that. I just wanted to
[43:51] clarify some information that may be
beneficial for the discussion going
[43:55] forward potentially. I'm happy to answer
any other questions, but I'll
[43:59] » let's let's do that.
>> Sure.
[44:01] » On on the points raised and hope maybe
and but still I would remain available
[44:06] at the end.
>> Absolutely.
[44:07] » Does that work?
>> Yes.
[44:08] » All right.
>> Yes. Uh so again, my name is Matt
[44:10] Campbell. I'm a partner with Zelinka
Priamo. We're the agent on behalf of the
[44:14] the applicant for these applications
here. Um I just wanted to point out
[44:19] first to council uh that there were a
number of background and supporting
[44:24] studies that were done in support of
these applications including a
[44:28] hydrogeeological report that was just
referenced. Uh there was a peer review
[44:33] of that report. So and the peer reviewer
was selected by the municipality. Uh
[44:38] both of those reports came back quite
positive. Um so we can certainly get
[44:43] into the nuances and and specific
information about what is in those
[44:48] reports as we go through everything
tonight. Uh there was a traffic report
[44:52] prepared. That traffic report also came
back as supporting the development with
[44:56] no uh traffic infrastructure such as
turning lanes, traffic signals, stop
[45:02] signs, anything like that required from
an engineering perspective. Uh there was
[45:06] a servicing report prepared as well as a
planning justification report and site
[45:10] plan and elevations some of which was
already presented by Mr. Vaugh. Um the
[45:15] servicing report just one thing to to
clarify there is a holding provision
[45:20] that's proposed uh because of servicing
constraints capacity constraints. I
[45:25] think council may have already
identified that and voted on that at the
[45:29] previous meeting to rectify some of
those issues. So, we're certainly
[45:32] cognizant of the fact that there are
servicing issues in Eden and that's why
[45:36] we're certainly happy to move forward
with a holding provision essentially
[45:40] saying these lands cannot be developed
until that servicing constraint is
[45:44] identified. Uh to the point about the
actual servicing connection, I I
[45:49] apologize. I'm not aware of any
servicing connection that's there.
[45:53] However, the uh the holding provision
that is being uh recommended by staff
[45:59] here that would prevent that development
from actually occurring. So, nothing's
[46:02] going in that pipe if it is indeed there
until that occurs. Um to the point about
[46:08] uh you know what what is before council
and what are we looking at uh for this
[46:13] application? There's the notion of well
an apartment building. Uh the
[46:18] municipality's official plan encourages
intensification of underutilized lands
[46:22] and encourages uh apartment buildings.
Why we are before council for an
[46:27] official plan amendment is specifically
to deal with the policy regarding
[46:31] servicing for apartment buildings. That
policy exists simply to act as a flag to
[46:39] prohibit any ad hoc development of a
high density form of housing such as
[46:45] what is being proposed. What I mean by
that is if the municipality had a policy
[46:51] that allowed apartment buildings without
this check and balance, then that could
[46:55] create a real issue in terms of
groundwater.
[46:59] Where we're coming from with this
application is to say, okay, we
[47:02] recognize that that is a constraint.
We're going through the appropriate
[47:06] checks and balances and supporting
studies to demonstrate that yes, this is
[47:10] a form of housing that can be supported
in this area backed up by the reports
[47:14] that we have from the qualified subject
matter experts. So, the notion of an
[47:19] apartment in principle, if you were to
take out the servicing aspect, yes, that
[47:24] is something that the official plan very
much supports. what we're here to talk
[47:27] about is more so how does that relate to
the servicing aspect of it. Um I won't
[47:33] belabor the point anymore. I know that
we're probably gonna have a lot of
[47:35] comments, but if there are any questions
that I can answer, please um I'm happy
[47:40] to answer those. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you. Someone else from
[47:44] the public, please come forward. State
your name.
[47:50] » I'll sign in here.
>> Hi, my name is Sharon Zelstro.
[47:56] I was directly beside
part of this lot and it that is being
[48:02] proposed where the apartment buildings
are. It also is directly so the lot
[48:08] beside us is an empty lot but it is my
husband's aunt's lot. So it is our
[48:14] family lot that it is also beside. So
this directly concerns us.
[48:21] Um, this proposed 36 apartment buildings
that are going to be drawing on a water
[48:27] source. We currently only get a gallon a
minute. So, how is another building
[48:35] right beside us going to affect our
water? We do run out of water and there
[48:40] are only two of us in our house.
Um, so what what is going to be done if
[48:47] we run out of water? What is like how
are we supposed to
[48:52] or what is council or the township going
to do if we run out of water? That is my
[49:00] number one concern. A number two concern
is two apartment buildings two stories
[49:05] high. It's going to be very congested.
They're going to be able to see into my
[49:10] backyard. I have a pool. It's private.
It's fenced. But they're going to be
[49:16] able to see into my backyard.
uh what is going to be done to ensure
[49:20] our privacy in our own personal property
um while we're say in the pool or in our
[49:27] yard
just hanging out.
[49:32] They're going to be able to see us. What
is going to be done for our privacy and
[49:36] our safety?
Uh noise
[49:40] is another is another concern. Uh it's
going to be a very high density
[49:45] populated area. If you put in 36 more
units, that's at least 36 to 72
[49:53] and exponentially more than that people
in that area. Uh what is going to be
[49:58] done to restrict noise? Um also safety
and traffic. Um our little street, I
[50:06] don't even think it's a street for uh
Gray Street. Um, we've already got uh
[50:13] speed bumps put in our street, but
people just zoom right through it like
[50:18] at high high rates of speed and there
are young kids on our street that use it
[50:23] all the time. What is going to be done
about safety and traffic?
[50:29] Those are my concerns.
[50:33] » Thank you.
[50:37] Uh, anyone else? Please come on. Repeat
on neighbors.
[50:43] » Sure. Please just state your name for
the record.
[50:45] » My name is Denise Kennedy and I live on
Grey Street in Eden. Um neighbors that
[50:51] live directly behind the apartment
building unit. Um I'm just going to read
[50:55] this if that's okay. So they can't make
it, but they are curious about the
[50:58] property boundary lines being redone. Uh
cuz they're she says they're pretty
[51:03] positive that they took more on Grey
Street than they were supposed to. They
[51:06] ripped out some fences along the way.
Um, she also was curious about the water
[51:11] testing because that was done during the
low time where everybody's at work and
[51:15] she's wondering if it could be done
during peak time. I know for ourselves
[51:19] being on Grey Street, our well is not
the greatest. We're probably about the
[51:23] same as Sharon, about a gallon per
minute and we have concerns as well.
[51:28] What's going to happen if we run out of
water? Who's going to protect us?
[51:32] Those are my questions.
>> Thank you.
[51:38] Do you have a supplemental?
>> Yes.
[51:41] » Okay, Bob. Uh, just before you do,
anyone else want to speak before?
[51:47] » Okay, we'll get to you, Bob. Okay.
>> Signing in right now because my wife is
[51:52] signing.
>> My name is Lucian Vanam.
[51:57] » I live on Eden Line. I'd like
clarification.
[52:01] You've seen them physically put in a
sewer connection already, correct? Yes.
[52:08] » How can someone start connecting to a
sewer without this being even approved?
[52:15] They've already started the development
without approval.
[52:20] How does that happen?
>> If you're asking me
[52:25] I'm
>> asking anybody.
[52:26] » Okay. No, I appreciate the question
because [clears throat] I wasn't even
[52:28] aware that there was a line. I'm I don't
know if council is but I don't
[52:32] » so since since this line is already in
can they be forced to rip it out because
[52:37] this is not an improved development
already.
[52:42] » Very good question.
[52:47] » Good question. Thank you
>> Bob.
[52:53] » Um yeah I was there when they did the
poll test.
[52:59] » Okay. on that well.
And when they did the pull test on my
[53:05] property on the well that I drilled,
this is how they did it.
[53:11] They measured the level of water in my
well.
[53:16] » Mhm.
>> Then they run that water, that well.
[53:22] It was two days for sure, maybe three.
Then they come back and they measured
[53:30] the water in my well again.
Then they pumped water into a 5gallon
[53:36] pail
and
[53:40] time that how long it took the pale to
fill up. And that's how they figured out
[53:46] how many gallons a minute that we got.
Now the pull test that was done behind
[53:53] this was nothing like that at all.
I thought it very strange
[54:00] because they had a truck there and the
truck had a 45gallon barrel
[54:08] and they filled that 45 they pump water
into that 45gallon barrel and this went
[54:14] on
[54:17] four, five, six hours, I'm not sure.
Then they shut everything off and left
[54:25] and they come back the next day and they
did the same thing.
[54:31] And then they come back, I believe,
another day, they shut the well off and
[54:35] they come back another day and did the
same thing.
[54:40] To me, that is not a viable pull test
because every time they did their build
[54:50] the barrel, so they did that all day
long,
[54:53] they shut the well off. So, that would
give the well
[54:59] almost uh well, it give it plenty of
time to regenerate and come back up to a
[55:06] normal level.
So, to me, that's
[55:10] Not really a
viable pull test that they did.
[55:18] Thank you. Thank you, S.
[55:25] Anyone else?
[55:37] One more call. Like anyone else from the
public wish to address?
[55:42] » Oh, you don't want me to talk?
[55:51] » It's an opportunity.
>> Yeah.
[55:56] power forever holding
[56:07] my shoulder.
[56:43] Oh, I also live on Grace Rafe. Um, when
they did the poll test, like Ed Ed said,
[56:50] they did it in May. Um, sorry, not Ed,
>> Ed. Bob, what
[56:56] » Bob? Um, said they did it in May. We'd
had lots of rain. So, the wells are
[57:01] going to be higher. They should have
done it in August when
[57:06] when we've had a heat wave like they
said. They did it in the middle of the
[57:10] workday so nobody was home. Why not do
it Saturday when everybody's home doing
[57:15] their laundry, right? They did it at the
most ridiculous time. Um I have been
[57:21] also told that the test was
inconclusive.
[57:25] So the results basically are null and
void. there is no proof that we do have
[57:30] enough water that we don't. Um I was
told that by a gentleman who has made
[57:36] inquiries and was more successful than
Bob at getting an answer.
[57:41] Um
so if the results were inconclusive,
[57:47] then how can you make a decision? We
have 32 houses that are currently being
[57:52] put up slowly, thankfully. Um, but once
they're up and we have the apartments,
[58:02] » is that test going to be any good when
we now have double the amount of
[58:08] residents
um from what they tested? Like it makes
[58:14] no sense to have 32 apartments plus 32
housesing
[58:20] when we don't have any of those actually
lived in at the moment.
[58:25] Um, another issue is we're going to have
a lot of people buying these h houses.
[58:30] They're going to come in from cities
because it's cheaper to live out here.
[58:34] Um,
they're going to they're not going to be
[58:38] used to living on a well, so they're
going to want to water their lawn.
[58:41] They're going to want to wash their
trucks. Anybody in the area and is used
[58:46] to it knows we don't water our lawns. We
we only water something that you can
[58:52] eat.
But a lot of people are going to be
[58:55] buying these houses because they're
going to be cheaper than say a house in
[58:58] Kitchener. So that's part of my concern
as well. They're going to start watering
[59:03] their lawns not realizing be that
they're on wells, not city water, and
[59:08] we're all going to suffer. So, if my
well goes dry because you put through
[59:13] this bylaw that we can put an apartment
building plus this subdivision into
[59:18] Eden,
even though none of us want it there.
[59:23] Are you guys going to truck water into
us?
[59:27] » I can't afford to pay for water to be
brought in on a monthly basis. Who's
[59:32] going to pay that bill? Are you going to
put up a water tower? If you put in um
[59:39] water lines for us, that's coming out of
my tax money. I'm going to have to pay
[59:43] for that. So, I'm getting dinged either
way. Who's going to cover the water if
[59:48] we don't have it? And we're already
telling you, we're running out of water.
[59:52] Years ago, I was taking care of a woman
cuz I'm a PSW. I was taking care of a
[59:57] woman. I had her in the middle of a
shower. Her neighbor started the wash.
[1:00:02] Her water was gone. We had no water.
because they were on the same line. They
[1:00:09] were on the same well
and they had none and that was probably
[1:00:14] a decade ago. So if the problem is a
decade old or older, right? Why are we
[1:00:21] even discussing this? We do not. We all
in this room know we don't have the
[1:00:25] water for this. And everybody knows
you're not just going to have one person
[1:00:30] in each apartment. You're going to have
up to four families of four.
[1:00:35] They're all going to want to do their
laundry. They're all going to want to
[1:00:38] like have a swimming pool. They're all
going to have splash pads. I can't have
[1:00:43] a slip and slide in my yard because I
don't have enough water pressure.
[1:00:48] Like my kid growing up never could have
had a slip and slide. I don't have
[1:00:51] enough water pressure to actually have a
slip and slide for my kid when they had
[1:00:55] a birthday party.
And these are all things that concern
[1:00:59] us. Not to mention the traffic. We
already have people who are blowing
[1:01:04] through Eden. It's a 50 zone. They're
blowing through doing 110 easily.
[1:01:09] What are you going to do to stop people?
Are you How are you going to slow them
[1:01:12] down? There's going to be so much more
traffic. We have plenty of kids that are
[1:01:18] out all the time, right? They're riding
their bikes. They're walking their dogs.
[1:01:23] They're all over the place.
We've already got an issue on Grey
[1:01:28] Street because we've got kids who are
out riding their bikes on a street that
[1:01:32] is not even wide enough to let two cars
pass without somebody pulling into
[1:01:37] another person's yard.
>> And now you're going to add that many
[1:01:43] more people to the community.
Somebody's going to get hit as it is.
[1:01:48] They don't pay attention to the stop
signs at the only intersection we have
[1:01:53] in E. Hey,
it's just it's unsafe. We don't have the
[1:02:00] the water for the water is a huge
concern for all of us. That is the major
[1:02:05] concern and we don't have it. Everybody
in this room knows we don't have the
[1:02:11] water. If we're already running out and
they haven't even finished these these
[1:02:16] buildings, there's no way that you're
going to be h we're going to have enough
[1:02:20] water when they're done. So then you're
going to have to end up spending money
[1:02:27] in the end with supplying us with water.
>> Okay, Michelle, it's your name.
[1:02:35] » Estelle.
>> Estelle, sorry.
[1:02:38] What?
>> Thank you.
[1:02:47] Is there anyone else?
>> Have to be a question.
[1:02:52] concerned question. You want a follow-up
question? Yes.
[1:02:55] » Y please.
[1:03:00] » I live at the end of Grey Street.
>> Hi, Ed.
[1:03:05] » I apologize.
>> He's now the mayor.
[1:03:07] » Yep. There you go. Congratulations.
>> My concern is she's right. We're on Grey
[1:03:12] Street.
>> Yeah.
[1:03:13] » There's not enough room for two vehicles
to pass. We have three speed bumps. The
[1:03:17] speed limit is 50 kilometers an hour
>> on that little alley. We have kids
[1:03:22] riding up and down that street like
crazy because that's the only safe spot
[1:03:25] for them to play
>> other than the park which is in the
[1:03:29] middle of being been uh Timbuktu, right?
It's like way out. So, we have these 36
[1:03:36] houses that are coming in. We have a
potential two buildings coming in. Plus,
[1:03:41] is there not another subdivision across
the street
[1:03:44] » on the west
>> possibly coming in? So, how many houses
[1:03:47] is that? How much water? How many more
people?
[1:03:52] Where's the safety? I don't know. I live
rural. I come from a big city. I moved
[1:03:56] rural for a reason.
>> I really don't want to see apartments.
[1:04:00] It doesn't belong in a hamlet. Maybe a
village, maybe a town,
[1:04:04] but not where we are.
>> Great. Thank you for your comments.
[1:04:13] » All right. Final call for anyone else in
the public.
[1:04:20] Okay,
>> I think it might be appropriate to ask
[1:04:24] if Matt had any further information.
>> That's where I was heading for. Uh Matt,
[1:04:28] did you have any followup or anything
you wanted to uh add at this juncture
[1:04:33] and keeping in mind just to want to
clarify with uh Mr. Vaughn, the comments
[1:04:37] that have been uh put forward tonight
will be captured within the uh the staff
[1:04:42] report coming forward.
>> All right. Thank you.
[1:04:45] » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um
[clears throat] I we've certainly heard
[1:04:49] a lot of commentary, some of which that
is directly related to this application,
[1:04:52] some of which is indirectly related to
it. So I'll focus my comments on the
[1:04:56] ones that are directly related to this
application. Um you know, certainly a
[1:05:00] lot of uh concern about the the water.
Um what I would suggest that council
[1:05:06] take a look at is the two reports that
were completed by the subject matter
[1:05:11] experts, the mte hydrog report and the
peer review. Um, I can't comment
[1:05:17] specifically on the actions that were
taken on the ground at the time. I
[1:05:22] wasn't there. Uh, in my line of work, we
rely on those subject matter experts.
[1:05:26] They're they're PNES. They're qualified
by the province of Ontario. We rely on
[1:05:30] them for their their opinion uh and
their scientific work. So, uh, that's
[1:05:34] what we rely on in order to make our
opinions as land use planners. So I
[1:05:38] implore council to take a look at those
reports uh and if those are satisfactory
[1:05:43] to you then make your decision
accordingly. If those reports are not
[1:05:48] satisfactory the municipality can
certainly ask for more work to be done.
[1:05:53] I if that is the case, I suggest you you
consult with your subject matter experts
[1:05:58] to determine uh if the peer review that
was done is not satisfactory. Well, what
[1:06:03] else may give council some comfort uh
and comfort to the people of Eden that
[1:06:08] have those concerns.
Um I think that's I'll limit my comments
[1:06:13] uh there. Um, one thing I did neglect to
mention was that the um, I don't know
[1:06:19] how much this really factors into it
because it can't be regulated by zoning,
[1:06:23] but um, this particular client is
looking at buildings that are friendly
[1:06:28] towards seniors. He's actively targeting
that demographic. Just to be clear, this
[1:06:33] is not a seniors building. This is not
long-term care. Uh, his his market
[1:06:38] strategy is to um try to attract seniors
to his buildings. So, I think that's all
[1:06:45] the additional information I have. I'm
happy to answer any other questions,
[1:06:48] though.
>> All right, Matt. Uh, thank you for
[1:06:49] opening the door on that because that is
a question of mine. What are we looking
[1:06:53] at from a proposed build here? Are we
looking at uh bachelors? Are we looking
[1:06:57] at single? We looking at doubles? What
are we looking at from a proposal?
[1:07:02] » The build.
>> That's a great question, right?
[1:07:04] » I don't have a very good answer because
the building plans themselves haven't
[1:07:09] been created. The renderings that you
saw, those are conceptual in nature. So
[1:07:13] what what we do as a planning firm, so
we're not architects, we don't design
[1:07:17] the buildings. Uh the reason that those
buildings have not yet been designed is
[1:07:21] because that's a significant cost for
our clients to go through. That's tens
[1:07:24] of thousands of dollars. So that's why
they're not designed yet. Uh t the
[1:07:29] typical practice is we provide
conceptual designs using you know how
[1:07:34] much area does a floor plate of the
building then we can figure out roughly
[1:07:37] how many units would that yield our
clients tell us well what kind of square
[1:07:41] foot is there looking per unit not to
your question what is the breakdown of
[1:07:46] units how many onebs two bedrooms so on
so and this that's a long-winded way of
[1:07:50] saying I don't have a good answer I
would anticipate a mix of one and two
[1:07:54] bedrooms though
>> all right because I think that is
[1:07:56] probably some of concern out in the
community too wondering know what's the
[1:07:59] mix mix going to be uh again the
population density you talked about 63
[1:08:04] units per tech uh
you know uh is uh we we don't know
[1:08:10] whether we're talking about u
attainability housing or accessibility
[1:08:16] housing or are we talking about
affordable housing
[1:08:20] there's a lot of unknowns
>> so can I just respond to that so th
[1:08:23] those specific terms attainable housing
affordable housing
[1:08:28] in in land use planning and I'm going to
put on my land use planner hat. Those
[1:08:31] have specific meanings under the
provincial planning statement. That is
[1:08:35] not what this building is intended to
be. So affordable housing by definition
[1:08:40] is housing that is provided below market
rate. And there's different ways to
[1:08:44] figure out what market rate is. This
would be a market rate building. Uh the
[1:08:49] information I provided to you was that
in terms of marketing who our client is
[1:08:53] looking to to rent these units is
typically he's targeting uh the senior's
[1:08:58] demographic.
>> Thank you for that.
[1:09:02] Does anyone on council have any
additional questions for Matt before we
[1:09:09] ch
>> Thank you. I'm not sure if you can
[1:09:12] answer this or not, but we're talking
about um two gallons of uh water per
[1:09:16] minute coming in. So, when you do your
pull test, you've got 36 residences
[1:09:22] there. So, are you pulling it at 72
gallons per minute or at $2 or two
[1:09:28] gallons per minute? Is like how are you
quantifying it that it it works? So
[1:09:34] through the mayor, the conclusions of
the the water supply test, the pole test
[1:09:39] is just a different term for it, uh was
that there's 80 lers per minute that's
[1:09:45] demonstrated to be sustained capacity.
That's that's the
[1:09:50] So if there are those who have concerns
about that report, I suggest that the
[1:09:56] municipality provide a copy of that
report, all of the well tests. So as
[1:10:03] part of that report, there's all the
well logs as well. That's a required
[1:10:06] component of that. As well, there is a
peer review that the municipality
[1:10:11] commissioned that our client had been
pay the bill for. So it's at no cost to
[1:10:16] the taxpayers. So to to answer your
question, the conclusion states that
[1:10:20] it's 80 liters per minute and that's
right in the conclusion section of the
[1:10:24] report. And the other question was
someone requested that a new test be
[1:10:29] done during peak times rather than
during off times. Is that something that
[1:10:34] they would be looking at doing? So
through the mirror, I would I would
[1:10:37] preface my answer with I'm not the
subject matter expert on when those
[1:10:41] tests should be done. However, I heard
two different uh descriptions of what
[1:10:47] happened. One was it happened during the
middle of the day when nobody was home.
[1:10:51] And then I had and then I heard another
description saying it happened three
[1:10:55] consecutive days.
So I'm not quite sure what to say on
[1:11:00] that. I don't have the specific
information top of mind to tell you
[1:11:03] exactly when that occurred. However, all
of that information is contained in the
[1:11:08] well logs and the pump test reports in
the document itself. So to to your
[1:11:14] question, is that something that would
normally be done? No. the scope these
[1:11:20] tests are scoped with the municipality
prior to any work actually occurring. So
[1:11:26] the the people who are responsible for
making the decisions on whether a test
[1:11:30] is acceptable or not, they get together
to figure out what is what is the scope
[1:11:34] when are these tests going to be done
and my role is I assume that the subject
[1:11:39] matter experts have done that and
they're they're in agreement when that
[1:11:43] test was done. Again, the municipalities
peer reviewer reviewed the tests and
[1:11:48] agreed with the findings. They didn't
express any concern about that.
[1:11:53] » Okay. Thank you.
to you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, probably out of
[1:11:59] your scope, but who or how do you
determine the maximum
[1:12:05] uh capacity of that aquifer? There has
to be a top limit. So, if you add
[1:12:10] project on project, even if you're fine,
and then the other ones, but there has
[1:12:15] to be a total estimate of what that
aquifer can support. Through the mirror,
[1:12:21] great question. My degree in geography
does not get me that answer. What I can
[1:12:25] tell you though is um with all of the
developments that I've been involved
[1:12:29] with over my career, including we're
doing a major uh hydrog pull test for a
[1:12:36] site near Strathroy and they asked
pretty much the same question. My
[1:12:40] understanding is that it's there isn't a
specific answer to show well what is the
[1:12:46] total capacity of that aquifer. It's
rather the other way around. It's what
[1:12:51] is the water demand from that specific
use and can that be supported by the
[1:12:56] aquaper. So it's a different way of
answering a similar question. That's I'm
[1:13:00] sorry that's the best that I can give
you right now.
[1:13:03] » Okay. Supplementary then. Um, when you
do the pull test, is somebody checking
[1:13:09] everybody else as well to see where the
d draw down from the water table is?
[1:13:14] Because it's it's going to pull closer
to the source and less of a drop farther
[1:13:19] away. I've been in a lot of
old tests on large dairy farms in the
[1:13:25] states and and and there is a draw down
area. So assuming that you're fine, that
[1:13:34] doesn't mean somebody else's well or
sandpoint is deep enough for the draw
[1:13:39] down. And how in that study do people
determine the effect? Are they going to
[1:13:44] somebody else's well to see what the
draw down is or did they estimate that
[1:13:49] through the mayor? Again, great
question. I don't have a great answer
[1:13:52] for you. What I can tell you is that
this this report concluded that effects
[1:13:56] on other wells uh is unlikely. I'm
paraphrasing that. If you want to give
[1:14:01] me a few minutes, I can go into the
report and maybe get you more accurate
[1:14:05] answer. I'm not aware if they actually
went and monitored anyone else as well.
[1:14:09] If they did, it would be in the report.
>> Just Matt, for clarification, is that
[1:14:14] something that might be included within
a future planning justification report?
[1:14:20] » Yeah, if you wouldn't mind, just so they
can hear you.
[1:14:26] » Yeah. through the mayor. I thought it
would good if I came to speak in case
[1:14:29] there's anyone at home listening as
well. Um I I think it would be important
[1:14:33] in our next report that we're going to
bring forward. I think we need to dig
[1:14:36] into this a little bit more. Yeah, we
need to look at those numbers. Uh we
[1:14:39] need to, you know, talk to the folks
that that did the study to make sure
[1:14:43] everything checks out. I I hear it is a
important concern from um those living
[1:14:48] around in the area. So I think it's
something that we we need to really dig
[1:14:51] into for our next report to make sure
that everyone is getting um the
[1:14:55] information they're looking for.
>> All right. Thank you for that.
[1:14:58] » Can I ask you for a question? I know I'm
not the mic but
[1:15:02] » public meeting so we'll allow it. Come
to the mic please.
[1:15:06] » Please please come to the mic as so that
they can hear you at home.
[1:15:14] » How did the residents in Eden find out
what the results of these tests were?
[1:15:20] » Good question. You can never get
>> should since it's going to affect us the
[1:15:25] most. Shouldn't that information be
available to us?
[1:15:30] » Please.
>> How many people were involved in the
[1:15:32] test? Right.
>> Right.
[1:15:35] » What all of the what all the results
were.
[1:15:38] » All right. Thank you.
>> Through the mayor to ask the council and
[1:15:43] everyone here. The the reports will be
made public. This is um because they are
[1:15:48] associated with the application. They
are public information just like
[1:15:51] everything else that has been part of
this application. So, um they will be
[1:15:56] posted online. Um you can contact the
planner uh Diana Morris who's working um
[1:16:01] on this file and um if you can't find
them online, we can also just email them
[1:16:05] to you. But um yeah, we can we can share
all of that information and then you can
[1:16:09] peruse it at uh at your own leisure.
>> Okay. Thank you for that. Matt,
[1:16:16] would you please come up to the
microphone and
[1:16:22] Make sure you sign in somewhere along
the line and give us your name.
[1:16:26] » Yeah, my name is Elizabeth Mashian and
this is my first time ever in this kind
[1:16:31] of setup.
>> Um, it took a lot of uh thinking whether
[1:16:34] I should open my mouth or not.
>> Um, my question is um I live in Eden on
[1:16:41] Eden line.
>> Um, I have no problem so far with water.
[1:16:45] Thank God. Um now if the residents of
Eden did a petition that they refuse to
[1:16:54] accept the 36 unit the you know heavy
density
[1:17:01] for Eden. Um what rights do the
residents have to say we do not wish to
[1:17:09] have so many units in our little hamlet.
who decides
[1:17:17] what you know what rights do we have?
>> You have a right to be heard for sure
[1:17:23] and your comments and all the comments
tonight will be a part of the decision-m
[1:17:29] process going forward.
>> Yeah, because like u beside um and I
[1:17:35] would welcome um you know the resident
how can I put it senior building I would
[1:17:40] welcome it however um Eden is may not be
the you know best um place for you know
[1:17:48] the seniors because they would need
rights to deal somewhere
[1:17:53] there are no services and when also
another thing is if that 36 unit were to
[1:17:58] be approved uh does the municipality
have um land for parks on the east side
[1:18:06] of Eden
um where the children could go to
[1:18:12] » um yeah And should there be no other,
you know, bigger improvements in Eden,
[1:18:18] like widening, if it can be done,
widening the streets, you know, and
[1:18:22] making um um place for children on the
east side, like I'm concerned about the
[1:18:29] social welfare of the people. Um Eden, I
moved to Eden 11 years ago and it has
[1:18:36] grown so much. Um the population
uh statistic was 596 people at that time
[1:18:44] and um we had cornfield across from us
and so many houses uh popped up since
[1:18:51] then and now 34
31 units on the west side 34 units on
[1:18:59] the east side and another 36. That's
like um Eden doubling almost.
[1:19:05] » Mhm.
>> Uh you know and and not to mention you
[1:19:09] know like um if it's a smaller property
I haven't paid attention how big the
[1:19:14] property is but it's not just the people
possibly you know families with children
[1:19:20] also pets and everything. Um I'm I feel
for the people who would be in the
[1:19:27] neighborhood because it's a big change.
So um
[1:19:32] My my question and recommendation would
be is to turn that land into just you
[1:19:39] know put up a few other new houses if
you know the owner
[1:19:44] and you know wishes to put something
there or turn it into a nice park
[1:19:50] » or something like that. But anyway, it
may be too late for me to
[1:19:56] suggest anything. But anyway, that's
that's all the question is what the main
[1:20:01] main point I wanted to make is do the
residents of Eden if every house in Eden
[1:20:06] signed we do not wish to have that 36
unit two stories um two buildings um in
[1:20:13] the on that property penetently refused.
>> All right. Well, thank you for your
[1:20:19] comments. Thank you for listening to me.
>> Absolutely.
[1:20:34] We do did move to Eden uh to have a
quieter life too. And the traffic on on
[1:20:40] Eden line has quadrupled in the 10
years. and and we like to walk and we
[1:20:46] walk on the side of the road and we have
to cross the street highway 19 every day
[1:20:54] and um yeah we have to stop and yeah
it's it's it's dangerous that corner is
[1:20:59] very dangerous.
>> It is. Elizabeth may may ask do you live
[1:21:02] on the west side or east side?
>> I live on the west side next to the
[1:21:05] cemetery.
>> Okay. Yeah. Not a problem because uh we
[1:21:09] happen to have a county official here. I
just wanted to make a comment. It's a 60
[1:21:12] kilometer zone there, isn't it? Um it is
yeah on
[1:21:15] » 50 km on blank and 50 km on Eden.
>> Yes. And can it be reduced to can it be
[1:21:21] reduced to 50 on Eden line as well?
>> That's what I'm trying to see from
[1:21:27] people.
>> Wow. That's
[1:21:29] » well that's a different story but uh you
know I I would love to have someone
[1:21:34] write me a letter and tell me that there
was a request and then we can push that.
[1:21:38] Well, I know tonight is it's not the
topic, but a kind of traffic reduction
[1:21:43] needs to be um done. Yeah.
>> And under 6 hours and be out there
[1:21:51] » and and can be four o'clock in the
afternoon too coming. Yeah. And and it
[1:21:55] is that corner is very dangerous. I had
two close close calls in just in the
[1:22:01] last month. Somebody almost took took me
took the corner sharp and the other one
[1:22:08] is motor bike jumping out you know near
the corner to pass cars. Anyway, that's
[1:22:14] another topic. Sorry. Thank you.
>> All right. Well, thank you for that
[1:22:17] those comments and we kind of strayed a
little bit off topic. I think it was
[1:22:22] important.
>> Uh
[1:22:26] okay. You have additional
>> Yeah.
[1:22:29] » supplementary.
>> Yeah.
[1:22:32] Okay.
Because it's a public meeting.
[1:22:36] Absolutely, Robert.
[1:22:40] » Yeah.
>> It's not just repetitive though, right?
[1:22:43] It's new.
>> Well, part is a question and the other
[1:22:49] part is just a statement.
>> Okay.
[1:22:53] Sure.
[1:23:02] When they did the pull test, I mentioned
how it was how it was done.
[1:23:08] I I've watched them do that.
Other pull tests, like I said, ours was
[1:23:16] run for two or three days straight, 24
hours a day. Wasn't done here.
[1:23:22] » Okay, that's that statement. The second
statement I'd like to make is that the
[1:23:28] county sent me information
on they put up radar
[1:23:36] uh coming into Eden and going out of
Eden, Strafordville
[1:23:43] and the top speed
going through Eden 50 kilometer hour
[1:23:48] zone
was
[1:23:51] 180 kilometers an Uh
[1:23:56] » that should be a matter of public
record,
[1:24:01] » Rob. Bob, it was this was discussed
around council
[1:24:05] » last summer. That best was done last
summer
[1:24:08] » and the uh this was discussed around
council at that time.
[1:24:12] » Uh I know that public or excuse me uh
the director of engineering up at the
[1:24:16] county is well aware of what's going on.
>> Uh it is a it is a
[1:24:21] » it's a huge issue. It's an enforcement
issue. You're absolutely correct.
[1:24:25] » So, but we are aware of it. Yes.
>> And the Stratfordville, I believe it was
[1:24:31] 100
and 12 or 140
[1:24:36] » 140 at the library.
>> Yeah. In the school zone.
[1:24:39] » Uh well, the library isn't school zone,
but there was uh
[1:24:42] » there was a school zone.
>> There was another one at the school
[1:24:44] zone.
>> Yeah. And it was very like two or three
[1:24:48] times the speed limit there. Well, some
of this was at 10 in the morning.
[1:24:52] » Yeah.
>> Okay. It's kind of disturbing, but yes,
[1:24:56] and that we are kind of getting off
topic.
[1:24:58] » Yeah, I know. So, I just wanted to add
that in.
[1:25:01] » All right.
>> Thank you.
[1:25:02] » Thank you.
>> Yeah, Matt, please.
[1:25:06] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just to
respond to councelor Emerson's question
[1:25:10] about were other properties monitored,
looking at the report, yes, other
[1:25:14] properties were. There were four
properties that agreed to have their
[1:25:18] wells monitored for this. that is
reflected in the test.
[1:25:21] » Just get back to that question. Thank
you.
[1:25:23] » Great. Well, thank you for that. L, you
had a followup.
[1:25:26] » Um,
now that it's been stated that they're
[1:25:31] targeting seniors for these apartments,
what is to stop the developer from
[1:25:36] changing his mind and going to three,
four bedrooms for families? That is
[1:25:43] going to make a huge difference on the
water drop.
[1:25:46] » Yeah. at 80 lers per minute. That has
been said of correct
[1:25:53] that's less than 20 gallons a minute.
>> How many units
[1:26:00] will support will that 20 gallons
support? There's a minimum water
[1:26:06] allowance before you can have a uh move
in permit. because they're not
[1:26:12] like you have to have a minimum amount
of water going into a house before it'll
[1:26:17] be allowed to be occupied. So a 36 unit
that's not even a gallon a minute going
[1:26:25] into
each unit.
[1:26:29] Point is well taken. I'm not sure how
the calculation is on a multi-res, but
[1:26:34] you're right. From a single residential,
there is a quantity component from the
[1:26:39] provincial requirement. I don't know how
it's calculated, but you're right. And I
[1:26:42] don't even know what the design is going
to be. And and Matt, you're not the
[1:26:45] architect of Exactly.
>> We don't know whether they're going to
[1:26:48] incorporate tanks to pressurize things
and have holding tank. We don't know.
[1:26:53] But you've got a valid point and the
crew has a valid point. What's going to
[1:26:55] stop them though from deciding, oh yeah,
we can't get enough seniors. Let's bring
[1:27:01] in four or five people families.
>> You're right.
[1:27:06] » So until that is settled,
until we have an absolute concrete plan,
[1:27:12] there should be this shouldn't even be
considered because when they can change
[1:27:16] it at will, they can do what they want
and once it's approved, it's too late.
[1:27:23] » All right. Well, thank you for your
comments.
[1:27:30] Final call. Anyone else?
[1:27:51] » My name is Dean Crawford. entirely
uneine and uh I just wanted to express
[1:27:54] my concern about the the amount of
volume of traffic and the growth in the
[1:27:59] village. Uh the playground, the store,
the restaurant, the church, the
[1:28:04] mailboxes are all on the west side of of
Highway 19 [clears throat]
[1:28:08] » and uh there's no pedestrian crosswalk.
I mean, we're talking about some lights
[1:28:11] and some paint here, right? To uh make
it safe for kids and for the citizens of
[1:28:18] the of the neighborhood. So, I would
like to put forward a request. I'm
[1:28:23] sorry. I have a condition that caused me
to shake, but uh I'd like to uh put
[1:28:26] forward a request that we have a a
pedestrian crosswalk put in. Take that
[1:28:32] under consideration.
>> All right. Thank you for that.
[1:28:35] » Thank you.
[1:28:48] Okay, I'm seeing no one move to the mic.
There's been a lot of issues raised this
[1:28:54] evening. I want to thank you all for uh
bringing this forward. It's important
[1:28:59] from a planning perspective and for
gathering all the information we can
[1:29:04] before we move forward.
Uh Matt, uh there has been no
[1:29:09] correspondence other you mentioned there
has been some correspondence you've
[1:29:12] received with this file.
Okay.
[1:29:18] I don't believe there is any other
business before this public meeting
[1:29:24] which will then bring us to the
adjournment.
[1:29:26] So, we have a motion that would read
that the zoning bylaw be considered at a
[1:29:30] future meeting of council and that
pursuant to the planning act
[1:29:33] requirements, the public meeting for
zoning application ZBA 0726
[1:29:38] and official plan amendment OPA0326
is now completed at
[1:29:43] 8:29
p.m.
[1:29:46] Do I have a mover and second, please?
Councelor Chilcott seconded by Deputy
[1:29:52] Mayor Wisler. All in favor?
That is carried. We are jured.