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So I now call this, uh, meeting of the baytown. This meeting of the baytown city council order

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is thursday, april 14th. It is 6:31 pm we are in baytown city hall council

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chambers. We do have a quorum. Uh, we will be led in our pledge and invocation this evening by council

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member charles johnson of district number three.

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you would join me in reciting the pledge to the flag. I pledge allegiance, allegiance

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to the flag of the united states of america, and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation under god and

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indivisible with liberty and justice. Now the texas

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flag, honor the texas flag. I pledge allegiance to

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the texas one state under god, one

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and indivisible. You would bow your heads for a moment of prayer.

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dear lord, heavenly father, we thank you for your many abounded abundant

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blessings. Thank you for life itself. Thank you for the ability to be involved

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in useful work and for the responsibility associated with

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it. I pray for the various levels of city officials. I ask that

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you grant us the ability to work in harmony even when there is honest

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disagreement, the wisdom, knowledge, and understanding needed to

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govern. And I pray that you protect all of our first respond responders

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and our armed forces. I pray for

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the agenda that is set before us tonight. Please give us the assurance of what you

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would have us to do and how you would have us to do it for the benefit of those

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citizens in our city. I ask all of these things in your son,

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our lord and savior jesus. The christ's name I pray. Amen. Amen. Thank

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you councilman. Alright.

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alright. Our first item we have is item one, a approval of the minutes for the baytown

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city council regular meeting held on march 10th, 2022. Uh, to entertain a

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motion for approval as written. Motion to approve. Second, we have a motion to second any

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questions or comments or abstentions, if not all those in favor of the, of the minutes.

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uh, to approve the minutes as written, please say, aye. Aye. Those opposed. We'll

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move on to item two, a recognition of city of baytown employees, laia

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ton and lanette leon. For awards received from the american water works association,

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we have mr. Frank semino. Hopefully I got the, I'm gonna read yes,

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yes. But, um, but certainly we have some awards, uh, and it's always great when our,

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when our employees can be recognized for outstanding work they do

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for our citizens. Um, so once again, this, this is recognition

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from the, uh, american waterworks association,

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latia ton. Superintendent wastewater treatment received the w the william d. Hatfield

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award, which recognized an operator wastewater treatment plans for outstanding performance

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and professionalism. Leon leon asset manager received the sydney

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l allison award, which recognizes a person who has made a significant contribution to

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the, to the engineering, science and or operation and maintenance of wastewater

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collection and pumping stations with the mission to transport wastewater to a treatment

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plant. She also received the water environment association of texas innovative

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technology award, which recognizes individuals who have deployed or deployed

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innovative technologies to solve water challenges. So I'd like to recognize

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these two individuals, uh, by our director of, uh, engineering and public works.

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uh, mr. Semino.

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that or just one? Okay. There was just one.

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okay. Thank you. So next, there'll be a

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proclamation and recognition for the lee college basketball team, which we're all proud of. So if I can go, I

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think I'm gonna read a proclamation down there and say a few short comments. And then,

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uh, I would, if I can, I get counsel to go and join me as we recognize these individuals,

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and I'm sure we'll take a picture with them. Uh, I would assume charles

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and myself and others will be well in front of all these young men.

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such a,

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I'll go ahead and read the proclamation for these, these young men, their

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successes in lee college athletics. So proclamation c of baytown lee college,

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men's basketball, uh, 20 21, 20 22. Whereas lee college

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men's basketball team is made up of the following players. Joshua cooper,

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devonte austin, darius smith, kyron gibson lemon, jean

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nicholas trailer, mario whitley, terrence johnson, reese peel,

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uh, jean vinney, uh, chance brown di jean

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dii. I, uh, edrick wil, uh, wilkinson, darrell washington,

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braden reed. And is also coached by obviously, uh, coach nicholas wade,

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who are, we're all very proud of, uh, all his accomp accomplishments that he has done here in

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lee college. Lee college men's basketball, through countless hours of practice and preparation

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off the court, had a great year ending with the season with 27 wins, the most wins

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in a single season in school history, an 18 game win streak in the highest rank

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the school has ever achieved, which is 14th. Coach wade earned the

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distinguished honor of being named region 14 south zone coach of the year, while leading

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the team to the first south zone championship in school history and earning

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an invite to the national tournament. And whereas the members of the team were invited to

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participate in all region teams, including kyron gibson and chance brown, chosen

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for the first team all region selection, darius smith and mario whitley chosen for the

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second team all region selections with kyron gibson also chose for all

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american. So now, therefore, I, brandon cap's mayor of the city of baytown, texas, do

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hereby pro came april 15th, which is tomorrow 2020 as lee college

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men's basketball day in baytown. And I urge all our citizens to join me in

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recognizing the dedication and hard work the team put to achieve the successful,

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uh, season. And certainly we wish 'em a very, uh, very bright future next

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year. We have a lot of returning players. I got to meet with them, uh, briefly before the meeting. And so we're

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certainly excited that we go deeper into the playoffs. So if I can get counsel and myself,

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uh, to go and recognize these individuals.

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yes, you have your own day. You have your own day. Yes. We, we

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can wear red, everybody can wear red tomorrow. But I, I would also like to recognize

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if I can, I think we have some lee college regents and I know we have, uh, dr.

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linda, linda eva to join us.

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and if you're at lee college regent, uh, we have, uh, regent susan

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morono, regent gilbert santana.

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we have regent gina guillory, regent weston

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cotton. Who are we missing?

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that's four. That's it. Okay. That's fine.

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anyone else? Any other regents? I wanna make sure I didn't miss them. Alright, thank you.

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where spokes make forgot.

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so we want not give you another one of these next year if we can

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you,

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this has been signed by all the baytown city council and our city manager. So best

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of luck.

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go guys. Alright, ready?

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1, 2, 3

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blinding moments. Get

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are you gonna rec, am I gonna recognize the people that

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are here? Okay. They have names, right? Smaller when you're in

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the stands.

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good start. Yeah.

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what are these, what are these? This for something else.

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next item.

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is that scott? Back there? Is that scott?

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where? In the back? Right here, outside the door.

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is that him? Yeah. That's,

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this is just a solution. Uhhuh.

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well, we, we should give some time to present

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this. I don't.

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okay. Next we'll move on to item three a. We're gonna consider resolution adopting the city of bay town's five-year

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community-based strategic plan. We have mr. Brian moham, I believe they'll be presenting, or

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mr. Rick davis and spac

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chair kelly williams. Okay.

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uh, you wanna go? There's three names.

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okay. Well, mayor and council, I'll, I'll tip it off right here and then I'm gonna hand

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it over to, uh, mr. Mackey smith, who has been our facilitator

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in this whole process. I'm extremely proud of the work that

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our strategic planning advisory, uh, committee has done. Uh,

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we have one council person that, uh, knows what it's like to go through this process,

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and it was, uh, very instrumental in creating our first five year plan, which

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was successfully implemented and continues to be implemented until the end of

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this year. This sets a blueprint, uh, for the next five

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years, and it is based on a, a multitude of,

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of exercises designed to, uh, to encourage deep

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community listening as I like to always, uh, say so that

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we can adequately evaluate what our citizens believe are the

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factors, the initiatives, ideas, and dreams that are most likely to elevate their

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quality of life. Uh, very proud of this, in fact, uh, as

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I read through this, and I hope you've had the chance. Also, I, I'm

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so impressed with the process and in fact, in the 15 years

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that I've been engaged in community based strategic planning, uh,

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I do not recall a process that has gone better than this one

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and a plan that's better than this one. And, uh, with that,

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I commend them, uh, for their, um,

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their participation. Uh, and I'll just gonna

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slaughter your names. Um, ali singh,

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rebecca kojo, steven bingham, mark stafford,

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kelly williams, tommy smith, nicholas rice, trevor smith,

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and taylor henkel. So, uh, just commend you

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and thank you from the bottom of our hearts. And aren't you glad we don't need to do this

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for another five years? 'cause it will. But honestly, at

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the end of this process, I think you could say that you know this community

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fairly a lot better than you did before. I'm guessing that would be

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true. With that, I'm gonna turn some time over to, uh, mr.

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mackey smith. And, uh, we'll take it from there the rest of the way. And look for

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your ratification of the five year strategic plan for the city of baytown.

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hello, counsel. It's a real pleasure to be here. Um, thanks to

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everyone in the room for showing up to listen to me speak. I came all the way from utah,

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and so I just, yeah, you guys knew about it. I don't know how I, I know

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you're here for this, right? Um, so

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following on, based, what I wanna start off with is outline the process

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by which we got to having this plan. In some ways,

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it's as important or even more important than what the final deliverable is.

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uh, a phrase that we like to use is the broader the base in participation

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of creating the plan, the higher the likelihood of actually implementing the

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plan. It's this process that ensures that it, it establishes

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an expectation of accountability, and it also ensures that the plan doesn't

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sit on the shelf, but actually leads to, uh, to guiding

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the city's budget and the initiatives that you choose to focus on over the next five

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years. So, to start the process, this committee helped lead out

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and identify groups that we wanted to talk to. We followed this community engagement

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approach where we facilitated dialogue sessions in my time of doing

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community-based strategic planning. I don't think I've ever gotten close to the number

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of focus groups we did, uh, with this community. Big thanks to this

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committee and to brian and rick for their help and to all the council members who

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each hosted a session in each of your districts. So we facilitated 26

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dialogue sessions, both to the public and already going to a meeting that was

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taking place with different organizations throughout the community. We collected

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over 2,500 public survey responses. We didn't do a statistically

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significant, well, we did a sta a statistically significant survey as well.

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but we leveraged this survey to guide the plan because everyone who wanted

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to participate had the chance to fill this survey out by design other

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type types of surveys. You're only allowed to take certain amounts of people in different neighborhoods.

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we wanted to make sure that any resident who wanted to participate could.

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we also launched an essay contest where you had over a hundred,

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uh, eighth graders respond of what does a perfect baytown

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look like in the future? Um, and I believe you, uh, you honored the, those

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essay contest winners here in a previous council meeting. So really the

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goal and the result of this was to leave no stone unturned as to how we got

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to this plan. We took the feedback that was create that, that the

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citizens gave us, and we analyzed that feedback

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and created the strategic plan to reflect and capture the feedback

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that was given. This isn't, uh, we didn't do community outreach

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to say, oh, thanks everybody, pat them on the head now we're just gonna go into a back room and create

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a plan. It was a really transparent process, and nothing that's in this plan

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wasn't brought up directly by residents as a priority to them. So for

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those in the room who participated, thank you so much. Again, this is your plan,

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not, not ours. So with that, I'm gonna turn over to start talking.

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well actually, let me, um, jump in right here and talk about the format of the

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plan. The primary directive is to, uh, capture

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what quality of life do we want in our community? And in a way it's the mission

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statement of this plan. What is the city's mission statement for the next five

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years? Under that are five strategic directives or key

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focus areas. How should the city focus its resources? Under

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those are strategic initiatives, what I like to call action items. What specifically can

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we do to drive success in each of these key focus areas?

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and lastly, how will we measure success that what what we typically

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refer to as goals. So with that format in mind, I'm gonna turn it

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over to rebecca who's gonna talk about the mission statement or primary directive of

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I hello. Good evening. Thank you all for having us tonight. Uh, my

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name is rebecca coho and I'm the first, uh, committee member that you'll hear from tonight.

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so to start our primary directive, this is as maggie mentioned, our mission statement,

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our main idea, ethos, thesis, if you will, that we want the city of baytown

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to continually pursue as the strategic plan is carried out over the next five years.

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our primary directive is to build upon vibrant, build upon

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our vibrant economy and unique sense of community by strengthening a more

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connected baytown that further embraces people from all backgrounds of life,

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um, from all backgrounds, and invest in improving their quality of life. As we considered

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the previous primary directive, we really wanted to focus on building upon the successes

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of the last strategic plan as the city works to achieve more and grow in the next five years.

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and with that, the first strategic, uh, directive we have is economic prosperity.

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uh, citizens want to live in a city that provides a multitude of essential

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and recreational activities where they can live, work, and play

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without the need to leave baytown. And so why is this in the plan? Well, in

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community feedback, as mackey mentioned, such as the survey sent out, the residents when

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asked for their priorities, uh, really want the city to focus on things like upscale

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shopping, fine dining, fine dining, and really things to do. Uh, so the

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key initiatives for this directive, uh, first continue to recruit new shopping and dining options.

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this next one, adopt, uh, sorry, action plan for mall

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renovation. So why is this in the plan? Well, the mall was brought up in every focus

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group. Residents are ready for the area to thrive and bring new opportunities.

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and citizens are hopeful that renovation will contribute to new options.

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and then we also noticed that residents and especially younger families, uh,

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desired more options when it came to entertainment. So, uh, things like enter,

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um, sorry, businesses like air entertainment are seen as a big win, but really

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as a starting point in the right direction. Um,

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uh, so success for this in, uh, this initiative. Uh,

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we would wanna track it in continued high and, uh, high employment rates,

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diversified retail and dining options and average household income. And with that,

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I will turn it over to my next to the next committee member.

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hi, I'm kelly williams, and I'll be going over, uh, strategic directive number

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two, which is focused on providing improvements to critical infrastructure

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and in and mobility. Um, as it says, uh,

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our citizens wanna live in a community that's cognizant of growth with manageable

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traffic, where they can arrive safely and timely

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based on our citizen feedback and considering projected growth. This directive

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asked the city to focus on traffic management to improve congestion as well as,

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uh, pedestrian access improvements to improve safety and connectivity along major

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thoroughfare. Go back. One. Um, when asked

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where they wanted resources applied, applied citizens responded,

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roads and traffic relief were among their top concerns after the shopping

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and dining options, of course. But, um, in order to be able to get there in time

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for your entertainment, um, we need infrastructural

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improvements that will resolve traffic on major roadways, and that

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was a frequent point of feedback in our surveys.

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to address these concerns, we've identified three key initiatives. The

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first being, um, additional investment into road and traffic improvements,

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which will include coordination between stoplights, uh, being improved,

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alleviating traffic congestion, and completing planned road projects

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for major thorough affairs such as garth road and others. Uh,

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the second initiative is to improve connectivity of sidewalks, walkways, and trails

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so that the city is safer and more walkable, uh, particularly along

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school routes. This will be accomplished by constructing additional sidewalks,

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walking and biking trails, and improving pedestrian access to city

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facilities and amenities. The third objective objective focuses

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on continuing to implement, um, flood mitigation projects throughout the

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city. While our strategic plan expands on all these initiatives and

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sets metrics to gauge success, um, those include reduced

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traffic at the primary streets and intersections and proof pedestrian access,

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which will be measured through additional feat of sidewalk constructed over the next

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five years. And I believe mackey will go over our next initiative.

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tag me back in. Um, one thing I do want to clarify, um, for those

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in attendance, these aren't the only initiatives that are in the plan. It's

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a rather large document that we invite you all to read. It's really, you know, exciting stuff

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before you go to bed. Um, but there's

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just, if it isn't mentioned today, it is still, there are a lot of other things that are

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in the plan. We just want to cover those highlights of what's going to get us furthest along in terms of

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implementation. So the third directive was beautification and environmental

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stewardship. Residents want to live in a community where they can be

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proud to call it home, where and where they can take neighbor, where neighbors take

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pride in maintaining their homes and to enjoy the rich beauty of the

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area. So likewise, of residents

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voicing what they do. Like, um, we also were able to better

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understand what do residents not like so much. As you can see, location

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was one of the top things that residents love about baytown,

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but on the flip side, they don't necessarily like the city reputation and image when it

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specifically, when it comes to physical appearance. Now, location, which is a good thing,

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you can't change that. So we already have that under check . But,

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uh, enhancing the image and the way that that's going to be done is through these key initiatives.

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one is partnering with local stakeholders on cleanup initiatives of the trash

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that we find throughout town. Um, that's an effort that is

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ongoing and something that the city is already mindful of and is going to find

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new ways to address that. Same with continuing to enact consistent

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and proactive code enforcement. And lastly, uh, continue efforts of

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tree planting, tree preservation and natural beautification efforts, whether

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it's land ordinances and ensuring that there's enough green space and access to

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the bay for residents. The way that the city will measure success is

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quite simply the less number of residents that are calling in and complaining.

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it's, uh, it's a pretty simple science there. You can, you can more easily track that.

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and then also measuring the amount of trash that's found and additional

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green space. So fourth, we have outdoor recreation and amenities.

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good evening, I'm mark stafford. Uh, and to share the strategic directive four,

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outdoor recreation and amenities. You see the quote there. I wanna live in a community

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where all members of my family can enjoy an active lifestyle. So a lot of

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good discussions about involvement of families and our recreation areas

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in, uh, three key initiatives. Uh, for this, as you can see, the first one is

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identify waterfront front property to develop for recreational

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use. And if you notice the phrase there, uh, kayak and paddleboard rentals access

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to the bio, but the phrase emphasize the bay and baytown,

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uh, and continue to do that because we know that our city does that. Uh,

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and has been, uh, secondly to expand trails and bike paths

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and recreational pedestrian access. So improve connectivity

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of our trails, expand trails. Goose creek trail was often mentioned

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in discussions and maintain properties and enable organized

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sports for all ages. Increasing opportunities for both youth and

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adult rec leagues. And just again, the idea of connecting, uh, young

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families, uh, uh, uh, folks, um, all, all in between in

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our community. And the metrics for this for success. Uh, increase quality

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waterfront access points, improving satisfaction survey

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scores, and increased enrollment in our organized sports

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here.

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good evening. I'm tommy tommy smith. I'm

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going to discuss our fifth directive. As he stated earlier, it's not

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our final one, but one of our final points that we'll make this evening one of our quotes

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from our surveys. I want all members of baytown to enjoy the same connection and

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sense of community that I do that really grounded our work and my feelings

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about building a connected baytown. And this being a key initiative

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that really hit home with me. Uh, one initiative that I really,

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really hold true is a way to

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engage our community and, uh, through different plans

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and implementation. Another way we want to, um, achieve

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this initiative is to leverage, um, civic, uh, academy

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and to expand our opportunities to volunteer. Even with this, for myself,

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volunteering really told me a lot about my community, learned

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a lot about the people that I live with and what people want. Uh, the key initiative

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also discusses, um, help from all

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backgrounds for all backgrounds by way of community development and

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pro uh, programs. A metric that we will use to determine success

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would be, again, our satisfaction survey scores, uh,

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reduce the discrepancy of neighborhoods. When we drive from one end of town to the other, we

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see that different things are there and other things may not be here. And also we want

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to increase our volunteerism with our citizens. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

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so before I discuss, uh, next steps, um, I wanna take a moment to

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commend our department directors and their staff for their commitment, uh, to implementing

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the plan. During the last five years, um, we have annually

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been able to successfully complete 75 to 85% of

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the strategies and ideas, uh, the council has developed,

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um, to meet the desires identified, um, by the community.

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of course, not everything can be accomplished within the year.

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specific projects like the reconstruction of garth road take multiple years

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to accomplish. However, many of our successes would not be realities

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without their professionalism and expertise to keep our

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momentum moving forward. We're also upgrading our community scorecard to an online dashboard

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that will be more visibly able to depict, um, the progress that we're

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making and implementation of our plan and help increase engagement with

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the community. The dashboard will be updated quarterly and available

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on baytown.org. We are looking to launch the dashboard later

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this year that will coincide, um, with our fiscal year 23

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budget in october. And one

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thing that we'll also be doing is the spac will conduct annual status

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updates with staff on the implementation as well as an annual report

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to the city council. And as you all are aware of, one thing that we do

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currently is an annual go goal setting, uh, between staff

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and council on the annual implementation plan.

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so what questions do you have? Alright, counsel,

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is there any questions that, uh, mackey could, uh, could answer for you if

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you have any? No. Okay. Awesome. Well, thank

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you. I guess I'll exit out , easy enough. Well, thank you. And, and certainly,

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uh, I think it's, it is certainly a great plan and, and, uh, I do really do appreciate

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this. It's pretty easy to read and understand, I think the, uh, the outcomes,

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uh, and deliverables from, from a lot of effort. So we do appreciate, uh, all

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the effort in, in this, this plan itself. So being with that, I guess we

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didn't consider resolution in a, in adopting this item.

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so there's an item three a, so I'd entertain a motion for that move to

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approve three a second, but motion to second. Any additional questions or comments,

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if not, all those in favor? Item three as presented, please say, aye. Aye. All those opposed?

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item carries. We have item three b, recognize the members of the city of baytown strategic planning advisory committee.

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mr. Moran or mr. Davis,

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we have all the spac members. Please come to the podium, please.

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surprise, . Now

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this order? Yeah, there. Okay.

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get a picture. Okay. Oh, there you go. I can

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see the names now. . All right. Rebecca kho.

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so thank you again for, for one second.

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how about if I go there and, and you handle me one. Okay, let's go over here.

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okay.

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sync? Yes. Thank you.

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then we'll do a applause out. Thank you. Say the

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name of the microphone. Okay, I'm sorry.

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taylor henkel. Sorry.

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kelly williams. Ms. Williams. Thank

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you. Enjoyed that process. Thank you.

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okay, and tommy smith.

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mark stafford.

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can we get a photo with all them all, uh,

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stand basketball players?

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close up

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a little bit closer.

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okay, here we go. One, two.

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okay. Thank you.

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thank you. You're welcome.

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all right, counsel. What I'm gonna do next in the interest of, uh, I'm sure we have a lot of assistance here that

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are, uh, signed up to speak. Uh, we do have to take, take. We took care of some items that

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we needed to, uh, but I'm gonna take a point of privilege. I'm gonna move items 11 a

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12 a, and 12 b up. So we'll start taking this in that order.

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uh, what we'll do first is we're gonna, we're gonna get go in executive session, then we'll

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come back out and then we'll continue, uh, continue our meeting. So folks,

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thank you for coming out this evening, but just please hang on, we'll be back. We're gonna go go into

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an executive session here from our attorney, um, and then we'll come back

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out and we'll continue our meeting. Okay, so let me, I do have to read

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this. So we'll now recess into and convene an executive session pursuant

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to texas government code sections 5 5 1 0.071 and 5 5 1 0.087

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to deliberate the offer of a financial or other incentive to a business prospect and to seek the

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advice of the city attorneys on legal matters related there too.

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yeah, I always do that. I forgot because there's another one in there.

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alright, we're good.

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so I'll now reconvene our open meeting with the baytown city council and, and announce that in accordance with section

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5 5 1, uh, 1 0 2 of the texas government code. No action was

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taken in executive session.

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so we were, we're gonna move on to item 12 a. And so, um,

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I'm assuming we're gonna go ahead and move to public comment. Is there a list of individuals, I'm

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assuming?

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okay,

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so everybody signed up on for 12 a

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b okay. Alright.

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so I believe what's gonna, what's gonna take place, folks, tonight, obviously there's many people that signed up. It

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is eight 40. Um, I will, will

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ask you to do a few things for, for us this evening. Um, there's

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a long list of people who wants, who have, who wants to make comment, and we want to give everybody the opportunity

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to do so. This item is obviously very important to our community.

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um, um, there's lots of things to say. I ask

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that everyone in the room be respectful, make your comments. I think each of you'll have three minutes

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each. Uh, you don't have to use the full three minutes, but you can, uh, if

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you'd like. Um, and then, um, there's gonna be some beeps that take place. So I, I

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believe the, the yellow light gives you a minute. So if you're up, if you speak here at the

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podium, uh, at when the yellow light comes on, you have one minute, and then when the red light

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goes on, I'm, I'll give you about a second or two, but I'll ask you to make

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your closing comment, whatever it may be. Okay. So with that,

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uh, we will hear from our citizens this night. We will start first with, uh, pam wolfer.

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uh, when you do come up here, please uh, state your name and your home address. Brandon,

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I'd like to relinquish my time to chris wilford, please. Okay, thank you.

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alright, so next we have chris wilford .

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all right, thank you mayor council. I really appreciate y'all being here

441
00:36:30,245 --> 00:36:33,985
tonight and hearing me. Um, as much as you know, pam and I are lifelong bayton

442
00:36:35,345 --> 00:36:39,285
and, uh, we only want the best for our community that we love. It's very important to

443
00:36:39,445 --> 00:36:43,385
us. We are strongly in favor of the proposal before

444
00:36:43,805 --> 00:36:47,445
you tonight. We believe the proposal will greatly benefit our community.

445
00:36:48,985 --> 00:36:52,085
we could bring golf back to baytown in less than two years

446
00:36:53,145 --> 00:36:56,645
and begin the process of developing the south side and the waterfront

447
00:36:57,565 --> 00:37:00,485
property that I feel like is probably our biggest asset in this town

448
00:37:01,835 --> 00:37:05,165
with the hotel and convention center opening. Hopefully by next summer.

449
00:37:05,865 --> 00:37:09,785
the time I feel like in, in pam and I feel like is now the

450
00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:14,085
development of the property has unlimited potential, but has to

451
00:37:14,205 --> 00:37:18,185
be addressed now rather than later. With the addition of the golf course, we

452
00:37:18,405 --> 00:37:22,325
can now have restaurants, bars, and possibly even a boardwalk. The possibilities are totally

453
00:37:22,715 --> 00:37:25,885
unlimited. As far as the golf, I believe rio

454
00:37:27,265 --> 00:37:30,565
ano and david henkel had put together an unbelievable team

455
00:37:31,585 --> 00:37:35,405
of, of expertise with rick buckin, who has developed over

456
00:37:35,725 --> 00:37:39,315
a hundred courses and with landscapes unlimited, who have managed,

457
00:37:40,145 --> 00:37:43,565
uh, some of the top courses in the country as well as 40 in the state of texas.

458
00:37:44,345 --> 00:37:48,295
his team of expertise is unbelievable and I really think we're

459
00:37:48,645 --> 00:37:52,525
fortunate, very fortunate to have that here. And I really do believe that

460
00:37:53,955 --> 00:37:57,825
they have developed a concept of taking, essentially using half the amount of property, of

461
00:37:58,045 --> 00:38:01,005
traditional golf course and building it to where you can actually have a full par, 71, 72 18,

462
00:38:03,075 --> 00:38:06,925
even probably 36 hole golf course. These are experts

463
00:38:07,505 --> 00:38:11,235
in the industry that are putting their reputation on the line because

464
00:38:11,835 --> 00:38:15,585
they know how successful this can be. We

465
00:38:16,125 --> 00:38:20,085
recognize that the concept will be a huge part of golf in the

466
00:38:20,205 --> 00:38:23,165
future. This concept will pursue all over the country,

467
00:38:24,305 --> 00:38:28,245
and we have the opportunity here in baytown to be unique in that we can

468
00:38:28,365 --> 00:38:32,245
be the first one if we think nine hole golf courses.

469
00:38:32,405 --> 00:38:36,145
know many people here think 18 is the only way to go. Nine hole golf courses are not new. In

470
00:38:36,525 --> 00:38:40,205
19 74, 9 hole, there were more nine hole golf courses in this country than 18.

471
00:38:41,055 --> 00:38:44,755
right now, the nine hole concept is being pursued all over, even in the houston area

472
00:38:45,175 --> 00:38:49,165
right now in chambers creek, which is just outside of north of in willis, texas.

473
00:38:49,595 --> 00:38:53,165
they're building a 4,000 home community and they're building a tom layman

474
00:38:54,155 --> 00:38:57,885
nine hole double golf course. And it's also in

475
00:38:58,325 --> 00:39:02,005
considered one of the top golf courses to be built in 2022 on a lot of the golf

476
00:39:02,445 --> 00:39:05,765
magazines. This concept even takes it better,

477
00:39:06,635 --> 00:39:10,365
even farther. The development site we know has so much potential.

478
00:39:11,545 --> 00:39:14,965
you know, we know as much as maybe in a hundred million over the next 10 years,

479
00:39:16,345 --> 00:39:19,765
and we feel like now is the time.

480
00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:24,165
we all remember keah fishing village, clear lake,

481
00:39:25,125 --> 00:39:28,965
a mud hole, cattle grazing asked eddie gray, he was there doing it.

482
00:39:29,835 --> 00:39:33,765
look at it today. In closing, I belief this is an opportunity

483
00:39:34,205 --> 00:39:38,205
the city can't let pass by. Now's the time. We need to be

484
00:39:38,325 --> 00:39:41,205
bold. We need to be proactive, not reactive.

485
00:39:42,395 --> 00:39:46,225
it's something that I feel like we need to go forward with and, and, and make this for all.

486
00:39:46,445 --> 00:39:50,405
be victorians for the kids. Who knows if the next tiger woods didn't

487
00:39:50,725 --> 00:39:54,085
right around the corner, but he hasn't had much opportunity here in baytown.

488
00:39:56,025 --> 00:39:59,925
the other thing I have to say is after hearing the strategic plan, oh my gosh,

489
00:40:01,035 --> 00:40:04,755
this is it. After hearing the strategic plan, this is right along with that

490
00:40:05,285 --> 00:40:09,205
strategic plan. So in closing, I just wanna say thank you very much

491
00:40:10,185 --> 00:40:13,785
and that, um, I feel thankful that you'll allow us to speak tonight and

492
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:18,075
I hope that you'll consider voting for this proposal. Thank you. Thank you dr. Wilford.

493
00:40:18,675 --> 00:40:22,605
alright, move on, uh, down the list. Um, I'm gonna skip two names. I think they're gonna speak a

494
00:40:22,725 --> 00:40:25,805
little bit later. Uh, we have philip yoder. Is it, is that correct?

495
00:40:27,755 --> 00:40:28,265
alright sir,

496
00:40:35,645 --> 00:40:39,635
thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. My name's phillip yoder. I live at

497
00:40:39,895 --> 00:40:43,815
2 4 0 2 doral drive, that's in the evergreen, uh,

498
00:40:44,395 --> 00:40:47,015
fairways subdivision. Um,

499
00:40:48,505 --> 00:40:52,295
when my, my, when my wife and I decided to move back to

500
00:40:53,175 --> 00:40:57,175
the houston area, we spent a great deal of

501
00:40:57,395 --> 00:40:59,875
time looking at communities all over

502
00:41:02,095 --> 00:41:05,635
and we decided, I started to say settled,

503
00:41:07,095 --> 00:41:10,665
but we didn't settle. We chose baytown,

504
00:41:12,015 --> 00:41:15,935
we chose baytown for a number of reasons. We chose our house for

505
00:41:16,195 --> 00:41:20,175
a number of reasons. One of them is the

506
00:41:20,395 --> 00:41:24,375
park. Um, yes,

507
00:41:24,975 --> 00:41:28,435
it was a golf course. Yes, I used to play golf.

508
00:41:29,635 --> 00:41:33,565
I don't anymore. Um, I do see a lot of

509
00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:37,705
people out there on the discourse and they seem to be enjoying it.

510
00:41:38,425 --> 00:41:41,805
and we're talking about, I've seen in the last

511
00:41:42,735 --> 00:41:45,485
three years that we've lived there, I've seen

512
00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:50,355
probably 10 tournaments that's pretty good for disc,

513
00:41:52,065 --> 00:41:56,005
uh, um, anywhere in the city. I

514
00:41:56,125 --> 00:41:59,985
would like to see a number of things happen. One is

515
00:42:00,945 --> 00:42:04,565
I'm not seeing a, a revenue off of this

516
00:42:05,085 --> 00:42:08,625
proposal. I see revenue for

517
00:42:09,665 --> 00:42:13,385
the developer to the tune of 6,000 or $6 million

518
00:42:14,345 --> 00:42:18,225
out of my pocket, mine and every other person in

519
00:42:18,445 --> 00:42:22,425
baytown. Um, and we

520
00:42:22,645 --> 00:42:26,425
get $40 back. I have a problem with

521
00:42:26,705 --> 00:42:30,385
that. I would like to see the council

522
00:42:31,855 --> 00:42:35,325
vote. No,

523
00:42:36,825 --> 00:42:40,665
I don't wanna see this tabled. I think it's a poor proposal.

524
00:42:41,905 --> 00:42:45,755
I think that if we wait for a couple of years after

525
00:42:46,125 --> 00:42:49,565
the 99 corridors has, uh, finished opening up,

526
00:42:50,835 --> 00:42:54,665
we're going to see a lot more development all around us.

527
00:42:55,445 --> 00:42:58,865
and at that time we may see multiple people

528
00:43:00,295 --> 00:43:04,045
interested in bidding on this project. Thank you

529
00:43:04,335 --> 00:43:08,195
again for your time and I appreciate you hearing me. Alright,

530
00:43:08,685 --> 00:43:12,265
thank you sir. Next we have it looks like robert, is it yda?

531
00:43:28,055 --> 00:43:31,735
good evening ladies and gentlemen and counsel. My name is robert guevara

532
00:43:32,225 --> 00:43:36,065
and I live at 1 4 1 1 doral court in the evergreen fairways,

533
00:43:36,845 --> 00:43:40,615
uh, subdivision. I am greatly

534
00:43:41,105 --> 00:43:45,025
opposed to the development of the golf course

535
00:43:46,045 --> 00:43:50,025
and some of the reasons why are, when we bought this

536
00:43:50,715 --> 00:43:54,445
house that we live in, one of the main reasons that

537
00:43:54,755 --> 00:43:58,295
we purchased a house is we like our privacy.

538
00:43:59,445 --> 00:44:02,765
it's close enough to the main city of baytown,

539
00:44:03,715 --> 00:44:07,655
but far enough out and secluded enough that we get that

540
00:44:07,855 --> 00:44:11,655
privacy. The golf course was just shutting down

541
00:44:11,895 --> 00:44:15,685
when we moved into our house and they

542
00:44:15,975 --> 00:44:19,715
turned it into a park that we enjoy very much that still has the

543
00:44:20,125 --> 00:44:23,595
streams and the little ponds and the walking trails.

544
00:44:24,595 --> 00:44:28,415
and you know, a lot of, a lot of our neighbors enjoy

545
00:44:28,735 --> 00:44:32,645
it as well as he earlier stated. But some of my concerns

546
00:44:33,225 --> 00:44:37,205
are is so we live a little bit, even though we're in the

547
00:44:37,285 --> 00:44:39,755
sea limits, we still live to the outskirts.

548
00:44:41,625 --> 00:44:45,205
and with no disrespect to the law enforcement sir, but it takes

549
00:44:45,985 --> 00:44:49,925
the baytown law enforcement a little bit of time to get there

550
00:44:50,945 --> 00:44:54,835
for any type of call. They're probably undermanned

551
00:44:55,715 --> 00:44:58,885
because I used to be a peace officer, so I understand how that goes.

552
00:45:00,025 --> 00:45:03,965
um, but we're bringing in something

553
00:45:04,365 --> 00:45:07,925
that is supposed to be a gentleman's sport

554
00:45:09,225 --> 00:45:12,465
and you're basically trying to put

555
00:45:13,435 --> 00:45:17,425
something that's more like a pup putt golf on

556
00:45:17,645 --> 00:45:19,965
this property. In my opinion,

557
00:45:21,725 --> 00:45:25,145
I don't feel that that this is in any way

558
00:45:25,895 --> 00:45:29,805
gonna help us as bayton as far as the revenue

559
00:45:30,195 --> 00:45:33,465
goes, like it was already stated. And

560
00:45:35,425 --> 00:45:39,365
we need to build something for us, not against

561
00:45:39,665 --> 00:45:43,615
us. And that's all I have to say and thank

562
00:45:43,965 --> 00:45:46,605
you for hearing me out. Alright, thank you sir.

563
00:45:48,195 --> 00:45:52,025
alright, next, uh, dave hessel. I'd like to text my time to

564
00:45:52,245 --> 00:45:55,985
calvin. Okay. And then we have, is it tom,

565
00:45:56,465 --> 00:45:58,075
is it shop or chop? Chop?

566
00:46:06,795 --> 00:46:10,185
my name is tom s chop. I live at 2 4 1 1 doral drive.

567
00:46:11,005 --> 00:46:14,775
it's also in the evergreen subdivision. I happen to be the hoa

568
00:46:15,175 --> 00:46:19,095
president of the subdivision. And after conferring with people, we had

569
00:46:19,255 --> 00:46:23,085
a couple concerns, uh, with the proposal. One, the biggest concern

570
00:46:24,355 --> 00:46:28,215
is that of the 12 acre track, uh, that is attached

571
00:46:28,375 --> 00:46:31,775
to this. The reason for that is that it backs right up to people's

572
00:46:32,815 --> 00:46:36,735
backyards that bought that property so that they could be on a golf

573
00:46:36,895 --> 00:46:40,485
course. It worried me a little bit that that

574
00:46:41,365 --> 00:46:45,295
part of the proposal had not been identified for doing anything with, which left

575
00:46:45,575 --> 00:46:49,535
it up to the developer after all said and done, that they could come in

576
00:46:49,995 --> 00:46:53,595
and change what they wanted there. So we,

577
00:46:54,195 --> 00:46:58,175
we, we met and we just wanna make sure that the concern was, was felt that that

578
00:46:58,475 --> 00:47:02,255
12 acres there that runs parallel to evergreen,

579
00:47:02,775 --> 00:47:06,655
that backs up right to those people's backyards was something that you would

580
00:47:06,855 --> 00:47:10,775
take into consideration of thinking let's possibly cut this section out of

581
00:47:10,895 --> 00:47:14,755
that. If something were to, to be, uh, looked at later on

582
00:47:14,975 --> 00:47:18,595
in this proposal. And if that was to be done, we,

583
00:47:18,995 --> 00:47:22,975
we would really thank you a lot. At least the neighbors of that, that side of that,

584
00:47:23,275 --> 00:47:27,075
uh, subdivision. I think that I want to stand in favor of,

585
00:47:27,555 --> 00:47:31,425
uh, making sure that they're kept in, in your hearts and things as, as

586
00:47:31,925 --> 00:47:35,165
property owners. And that's really what I've had to say.

587
00:47:36,215 --> 00:47:40,125
thank you. Thank you, sir. If, if I may counsel, I think and may

588
00:47:40,285 --> 00:47:43,925
thank you sir. Okay. Um, if I may, and this may help with, with some other people who speak,

589
00:47:44,465 --> 00:47:48,365
um, may, may be a good time to have councilman lester if you can at

590
00:47:48,485 --> 00:47:52,005
least address that 12 and a half acres that may help future comments.

591
00:47:52,875 --> 00:47:56,845
alright, thank you mayor tom, tom, I appreciate your comments. After visiting with your

592
00:47:56,965 --> 00:48:00,785
group, I got back with the mayor and we talked about it. Um, and

593
00:48:01,005 --> 00:48:04,925
you're correct that that 12 acre track, which you was referred to as

594
00:48:05,085 --> 00:48:08,285
track b, um, the developers really

595
00:48:09,185 --> 00:48:13,085
didn't have a specific plan or guidance, what they wanted to do with it. And in discussion

596
00:48:13,875 --> 00:48:17,725
they've agreed to, to pull that from this agreement so that

597
00:48:17,965 --> 00:48:21,955
12 acres is off the table. So that's where

598
00:48:22,115 --> 00:48:25,775
we stand with that today. And I, I appreciate you again, that's

599
00:48:26,375 --> 00:48:29,875
one of the issues that I've been talking with and trying to resolve for a while.

600
00:48:31,015 --> 00:48:34,485
the developers have agreed that they really didn't have specific plans

601
00:48:35,175 --> 00:48:38,995
and if that was such a concern for the neighborhood, they agreed

602
00:48:39,355 --> 00:48:43,065
to, to drop it and they did so. And we, it has been removed.

603
00:48:44,045 --> 00:48:47,335
so I appreciate that. Thank you mayor. Alright, thank you councilman. Alright.

604
00:48:48,425 --> 00:48:52,345
I believe this may be tom kincaid if I'm not mistaken, but if

605
00:48:52,485 --> 00:48:55,945
not, if not, I can tell you what street you live on. You live on, on weight lane,

606
00:48:56,805 --> 00:49:00,365
so whoever lives on, or your right lane, excuse me, tom, is that tom

607
00:49:01,125 --> 00:49:04,455
tom still here? I seen him earlier, but, um, okay.

608
00:49:05,525 --> 00:49:07,345
so we'll move on down. So we have, uh, sharon johnston.

609
00:49:12,525 --> 00:49:12,525
sharon johnson.

610
00:49:22,135 --> 00:49:25,465
okay. Okay. Alright, thank you.

611
00:49:30,565 --> 00:49:31,785
so next we have, uh, steve white.

612
00:49:39,975 --> 00:49:43,965
uh, thank you for the opportunity. My name is steve white, I live at 83 0 6 pine falls drive,

613
00:49:44,315 --> 00:49:47,495
houston, texas. I live in cyprus. Um,

614
00:49:49,345 --> 00:49:53,295
june, june the 13th, I'll be moving to baytown. Uh,

615
00:49:54,135 --> 00:49:56,715
and I will be living in the subdivision.

616
00:49:58,395 --> 00:50:02,355
I want to thank you for taking tract b off the table, but I want to know

617
00:50:02,535 --> 00:50:06,535
one, what table did you put it on? What's

618
00:50:06,955 --> 00:50:09,795
it gonna be? Is the city gonna maintain ownership of that?

619
00:50:12,015 --> 00:50:15,635
yes. Yeah, it's city property. Okay. Alright. So,

620
00:50:16,135 --> 00:50:20,035
so, alright. So if it, if they, if you wanna sell it, it's gonna have

621
00:50:20,275 --> 00:50:23,915
to be through the okay. Through the same process.

622
00:50:24,495 --> 00:50:28,115
the, the, the biggest question I have as far as this whole process

623
00:50:28,675 --> 00:50:32,625
goes, and I've been following this since it broke, uh, back in, in

624
00:50:33,035 --> 00:50:37,005
nove, uh, january, is the, the lack of

625
00:50:37,165 --> 00:50:40,645
due diligence on the part of baytown as far as

626
00:50:41,915 --> 00:50:45,465
projections, uh, looking at, uh,

627
00:50:46,075 --> 00:50:49,765
development plans, you know, seeing what would be done,

628
00:50:50,225 --> 00:50:54,205
you know, a nine hole course that's supposed to be 18 holes. How much

629
00:50:54,975 --> 00:50:58,325
would, how much traffic would that generate as far as players playing it?

630
00:50:59,225 --> 00:51:02,755
how much would that be affected by tournaments, whether

631
00:51:03,245 --> 00:51:06,805
it's local tournaments or tournaments through the, through the convention center?

632
00:51:07,845 --> 00:51:11,445
I wanted, I, and you know, there doesn't seem, you know, I haven't seen anybody

633
00:51:12,255 --> 00:51:16,045
bring out any, uh, plans that show that there have been studies

634
00:51:16,355 --> 00:51:20,285
done that it's gonna create all this business, you know, the

635
00:51:20,485 --> 00:51:23,805
millions and millions of dollars of business that everybody call keeps talking about.

636
00:51:24,985 --> 00:51:28,785
you know, it's, as best I could tell, it's the developers telling you

637
00:51:29,435 --> 00:51:31,995
that there's going to be millions of dollars of business generated.

638
00:51:33,565 --> 00:51:37,365
I I wanna see a study that will show a hundred thousand dollars worth

639
00:51:37,745 --> 00:51:41,525
of business generated. That's all. I,

640
00:51:41,925 --> 00:51:45,605
I hope you'll vote against it. Thank you. Thanks sir.

641
00:51:46,155 --> 00:51:47,845
alright, we have, next is mitch martinez.

642
00:52:03,145 --> 00:52:06,515
good evening. Um, I would just like to

643
00:52:07,305 --> 00:52:11,275
address, hmm, address. Oh s**t, what is my

644
00:52:11,435 --> 00:52:15,395
address? , I just moved there. I'm sorry. I'm, I

645
00:52:15,515 --> 00:52:18,775
just moved there. Well, um, I'll, I'll repeat it for you. 24 30.

646
00:52:20,165 --> 00:52:23,955
there we go. That's the one. Um, I would just like to address the fact that, like

647
00:52:24,195 --> 00:52:27,995
I said, I did just move to the neighborhood. Okay. And I enjoy that

648
00:52:28,235 --> 00:52:31,875
neighborhood because like the other gentleman said, it's, it's a little bit farther

649
00:52:32,265 --> 00:52:35,995
away, you know, um, I don't, I don't like the hustle and bustle

650
00:52:36,355 --> 00:52:40,215
all the time. You know, you're surrounded by folks all day long. You're in traffic all

651
00:52:40,435 --> 00:52:44,255
day long and while growth is good for the city and

652
00:52:44,475 --> 00:52:48,265
all that, it's encroaching and encroaching and encroaching, encroaching. And soon

653
00:52:48,855 --> 00:52:52,755
if I want to get away from it, I'm gonna have to move again. And that's

654
00:52:53,075 --> 00:52:56,955
just not something that I want to do. Is this a great thing?

655
00:52:57,775 --> 00:53:01,635
it could be potentially, but disneyland is a great

656
00:53:01,795 --> 00:53:05,635
thing. That doesn't mean I wanna live there. Um, and in this

657
00:53:05,835 --> 00:53:09,275
case it's not even a full golf course from what I'm understanding.

658
00:53:10,495 --> 00:53:13,865
so it's not even really disneyland, it's

659
00:53:14,545 --> 00:53:18,115
like a rodeo carnival that comes and goes

660
00:53:18,895 --> 00:53:22,795
and, you know, that's just not something that I want to have to deal with. And like

661
00:53:23,035 --> 00:53:26,845
all these other points have been made, it's gonna increase traffic. It's gonna

662
00:53:27,115 --> 00:53:31,065
have a negative effect in the sense that you

663
00:53:31,285 --> 00:53:35,125
don't know who or what or where is gonna be around your house

664
00:53:35,465 --> 00:53:39,445
and all of the houses in this neighborhood, they're not like the neighborhoods that you have

665
00:53:39,605 --> 00:53:43,445
closer to town where you have your tall fences and you have more privacy.

666
00:53:44,695 --> 00:53:48,485
these are low fences you can see right into everyone's backyard, but it's a tight-knit

667
00:53:48,915 --> 00:53:52,785
community. You start bringing in people that don't live there and

668
00:53:53,425 --> 00:53:57,385
it, it defeats the purpose of a gated community in my opinion. Uh,

669
00:53:58,575 --> 00:54:02,125
thank you. I'm gonna go and memorize my address. .

670
00:54:02,595 --> 00:54:06,485
alright. Oh no, you can, uh, get a little

671
00:54:06,655 --> 00:54:10,565
latch and tie your address around your, your, your, your, I get it.

672
00:54:10,755 --> 00:54:13,245
alright, next we have calvin inger. I believe you have nine minutes.

673
00:54:23,635 --> 00:54:26,985
I my time mark wilkerson.

674
00:54:28,105 --> 00:54:31,895
okay. Uh, so you have 12 minutes. I, I was asked not to pick up the microphone, so

675
00:54:32,235 --> 00:54:36,155
I won't, uh, counsel, it's good to be back before you this evening.

676
00:54:37,255 --> 00:54:41,065
uh, I appreciate as always, uh, what

677
00:54:41,355 --> 00:54:44,275
y'all do and endure, uh, for the betterment of our citizens.

678
00:54:45,495 --> 00:54:49,485
uh, I would also like to thank chris

679
00:54:49,865 --> 00:54:53,415
presley for his words in the paper today. Uh,

680
00:54:54,615 --> 00:54:58,455
and I, and, and the, the, the

681
00:54:58,675 --> 00:55:02,175
beautiful, serene peaceful nature

682
00:55:03,815 --> 00:55:06,715
of that facility and that property.

683
00:55:08,335 --> 00:55:10,995
and I'll tell you why in a little bit

684
00:55:12,435 --> 00:55:15,595
why that struck home with me. But

685
00:55:16,495 --> 00:55:20,495
I, I, I just wanna reiterate just, and, and I know y'all

686
00:55:20,775 --> 00:55:23,295
understand this, but I, I just allow me to reiterate,

687
00:55:24,905 --> 00:55:28,855
we're gonna pay somebody $6 million. We're gonna

688
00:55:29,015 --> 00:55:32,285
give them a $2 million clubhouse.

689
00:55:33,075 --> 00:55:36,875
the use of the use of city property, the use of a parking lot,

690
00:55:37,435 --> 00:55:40,975
the use of a driving range, the use of two big metal

691
00:55:41,575 --> 00:55:43,575
buildings, a practice facility,

692
00:55:46,955 --> 00:55:50,735
and other city property, as you said it best, that totals up to about $14 million

693
00:55:51,885 --> 00:55:55,165
when you consider the value of all that. Okay?

694
00:55:57,275 --> 00:56:01,135
so I think, chris, that was a good number. I think that was a fair

695
00:56:01,335 --> 00:56:05,155
number. Now, as y'all recall, will recall the

696
00:56:05,375 --> 00:56:07,535
last time I was here, I made a request

697
00:56:09,435 --> 00:56:13,325
for some additional due diligence to pump the brakes. Okay,

698
00:56:15,005 --> 00:56:18,015
well I took it upon myself to do that

699
00:56:19,555 --> 00:56:23,485
and I think I have some good interesting numbers for y'all to look

700
00:56:23,685 --> 00:56:23,685
at.

701
00:56:37,695 --> 00:56:41,505
there might be two in there. Make sure, see if heather, yeah, there's two. Give heather one

702
00:56:44,465 --> 00:56:45,505
and wall off.

703
00:56:49,435 --> 00:56:53,305
okay, so last mon, last monday

704
00:56:56,125 --> 00:56:59,625
I called, uh, outbid

705
00:57:00,245 --> 00:57:03,935
called fusion golf. A nice young man named casey jones.

706
00:57:05,025 --> 00:57:09,015
and he were talking, he, and I was asking him, I'm trying to get from casey

707
00:57:11,405 --> 00:57:15,345
a price per hole to build an

708
00:57:15,845 --> 00:57:19,365
18 hole golf course. Okay? These guys,

709
00:57:19,875 --> 00:57:22,825
they're not as big as, uh,

710
00:57:24,035 --> 00:57:27,885
landscape unlimited. They're not even close, but they're a good solid little

711
00:57:28,205 --> 00:57:32,075
company. They built golf courses, they work on golf courses, they built golf

712
00:57:32,365 --> 00:57:36,165
courses in europe. They're good guys and they know what they're talking about.

713
00:57:38,455 --> 00:57:42,235
about, he offered to meet me out there to look at it. 'cause I said basically this

714
00:57:42,525 --> 00:57:46,325
used to be a golf course. Some of the holes are still there, some aren't.

715
00:57:47,665 --> 00:57:51,485
but yeah, if he come see this casey, that would really be a good thing.

716
00:57:51,785 --> 00:57:55,365
and he did. He came out and we visited and he looked at everything

717
00:57:56,065 --> 00:58:00,025
before he came out. He said, you're looking at

718
00:58:00,355 --> 00:58:04,105
comfortably $400,000 per

719
00:58:04,395 --> 00:58:07,755
hole to build an 18 hole golf course. Okay?

720
00:58:09,255 --> 00:58:12,505
he comes out, he looks at everything, he goes, well,

721
00:58:13,385 --> 00:58:17,215
this looks better than I had imagined it. He said, now I can say,

722
00:58:17,695 --> 00:58:20,475
and I, I sent an email, you have the email,

723
00:58:23,405 --> 00:58:25,635
casey, thank you for our meeting yesterday.

724
00:58:27,665 --> 00:58:31,565
correct me if I'm wrong, or let me reiterate, you said a rough

725
00:58:32,275 --> 00:58:35,995
estimate per hole was 350 k to 400

726
00:58:36,755 --> 00:58:40,595
k. Is that correct? And you'll notice at the top of the email

727
00:58:40,975 --> 00:58:44,895
he says, yes, sir. Okay, so now

728
00:58:45,655 --> 00:58:49,435
you have some rough math that I've attached. I apologize for the loose

729
00:58:49,745 --> 00:58:53,395
leaf notebook, paper copy, golf course

730
00:58:54,195 --> 00:58:57,835
construction. Cost 350 k to 400

731
00:58:58,455 --> 00:59:00,575
is a range of 6.3 million

732
00:59:02,855 --> 00:59:06,665
to 7.2 million. Now, again, revisit, this

733
00:59:06,955 --> 00:59:10,895
is just for a golf hole, okay? Not a parking lot,

734
00:59:11,295 --> 00:59:15,175
not a clubhouse. Not a driving range, not for all the ancillaries. By

735
00:59:15,395 --> 00:59:18,485
the way, this number also does not include irrigation.

736
00:59:19,985 --> 00:59:22,025
okay? So,

737
00:59:24,025 --> 00:59:25,825
but this is, this is what's

738
00:59:28,145 --> 00:59:32,085
6.3 million to 7.2. Okay, there it is.

739
00:59:32,335 --> 00:59:35,595
we're, that's 18 holes. Okay?

740
00:59:36,495 --> 00:59:39,645
we're knocking on the door of an 18 hole golf course

741
00:59:40,905 --> 00:59:44,705
for between 6.3 and 7.2. There'll be other costs to

742
00:59:44,925 --> 00:59:48,485
that. But this is the shocker. Here's the shocker.

743
00:59:50,375 --> 00:59:53,985
eight holes out there are intact. They are intact.

744
00:59:54,475 --> 00:59:58,285
there's tee boxes, there's fairways, there's greens, and

745
00:59:58,805 --> 01:00:02,685
elevated greens. Okay, did any of y'all know that? Did any of y'all

746
01:00:02,885 --> 01:00:06,595
know that that was out there? Eight holes, they're

747
01:00:07,085 --> 01:00:10,845
only using six. They're adding three small, three parts, I think to theirs.

748
01:00:12,535 --> 01:00:15,715
eight holes are intact. So now look at your math

749
01:00:17,215 --> 01:00:19,825
eight, which is the eight holes times $200,000

750
01:00:21,385 --> 01:00:24,685
to get those holes in operation. That's 1.6 million.

751
01:00:26,065 --> 01:00:29,775
you can add another three hole golf, uh, hole for another 200 grand.

752
01:00:30,425 --> 01:00:34,045
now you're up to 1.8 million. Then there's your

753
01:00:34,465 --> 01:00:38,085
10 times 400. I'm using the higher range of what casey

754
01:00:38,475 --> 01:00:41,195
said. 10 times 400,000, $4 million,

755
01:00:44,105 --> 01:00:46,775
5.6 million. Add another 1.2 million

756
01:00:48,135 --> 01:00:51,845
for irrigation, and you're at 6.8 million. There

757
01:00:52,265 --> 01:00:55,975
will be other costs, okay? It won't be at six minutes. But

758
01:00:56,375 --> 01:00:59,515
here's the killer. Here's the catch. This is amazing.

759
01:01:02,235 --> 01:01:06,175
remember the eight holes in tact, there are also golf. The

760
01:01:06,425 --> 01:01:10,035
golf, the, the cart trails are still in place.

761
01:01:10,495 --> 01:01:14,175
that's how much they are. And so for eight times two,

762
01:01:14,975 --> 01:01:18,915
200,000, 1.6 million plus another two for a

763
01:01:19,035 --> 01:01:22,175
three hole golf course, add in,

764
01:01:23,775 --> 01:01:27,595
add in. That's just under 2 million. Add

765
01:01:27,835 --> 01:01:31,525
in $800,000 for irrigation. Okay?

766
01:01:32,595 --> 01:01:36,575
you're under 3 million. You could actually,

767
01:01:36,835 --> 01:01:40,575
and it wouldn't take long to build and get these holes functional.

768
01:01:41,915 --> 01:01:45,415
the point is, you can have a functional nine hole golf course

769
01:01:46,045 --> 01:01:48,415
with a plan to build 10 more later

770
01:01:50,235 --> 01:01:53,975
for $3 million less. That's $3 million

771
01:01:55,085 --> 01:01:58,895
less than you're gonna pay them to have a nine hole functional golf

772
01:01:59,175 --> 01:02:01,335
course with a plan to bill nine more later.

773
01:02:03,355 --> 01:02:07,255
that's a better deal. That's due diligence. Okay, ladies and gentlemen,

774
01:02:07,755 --> 01:02:11,315
that's doing your homework. And

775
01:02:11,815 --> 01:02:15,485
I beg you, I beg you to table this

776
01:02:16,955 --> 01:02:20,755
and engage in some real due diligence. Go out for some bids,

777
01:02:21,235 --> 01:02:25,045
find other math in mind. Don't rely on what I've showed you. Go out

778
01:02:25,245 --> 01:02:29,165
and find others to do the same thing that I've done and come up

779
01:02:29,325 --> 01:02:33,225
with other numbers. This begs to put the brakes on

780
01:02:33,745 --> 01:02:37,125
and, and stop this and engage in real due diligence

781
01:02:37,985 --> 01:02:41,585
and save a whole bunch of money in the process as to

782
01:02:42,005 --> 01:02:45,875
pose to building this nine hole gimmick that

783
01:02:47,495 --> 01:02:51,445
lemme take the, the achilles te heel of what they want to do. It's nine holes.

784
01:02:52,595 --> 01:02:56,565
it's basically you, it's nine fairways, okay? You can add all the

785
01:02:56,645 --> 01:03:00,645
greens you want, but the fact is, if it's nine

786
01:03:00,845 --> 01:03:04,845
holes, you can only have 18 foursomes, maybe 20

787
01:03:05,265 --> 01:03:09,145
on that course at a given time. If you have 18 holes, you

788
01:03:09,365 --> 01:03:13,085
have 36 to 40 foursomes. It's simple math and revenue.

789
01:03:15,405 --> 01:03:18,945
so please, you have new information, that's good information,

790
01:03:20,045 --> 01:03:23,945
that's cost effective information that saves you money from what

791
01:03:24,145 --> 01:03:27,785
you're gonna be giving them along with all the other property for nothing.

792
01:03:29,285 --> 01:03:33,285
you have a good deal here. Explore it. I'm just asking you to

793
01:03:33,905 --> 01:03:37,865
pump the brakes and look deeper into this. That's all I'm asking

794
01:03:38,065 --> 01:03:41,705
you. And I think it's a, I I think you'll ultimately,

795
01:03:42,345 --> 01:03:46,085
I hope y'all will consider rethinking everything and,

796
01:03:46,725 --> 01:03:50,145
and, and let's end up with a quality facility.

797
01:03:50,965 --> 01:03:54,665
one other thing, if I'm mike brandon, fred marty,

798
01:03:55,565 --> 01:03:59,405
uh, I grew up knowing fred marty. He was on the u of a golf team that won

799
01:04:00,045 --> 01:04:03,885
the national championship back in the sixties. He

800
01:04:04,105 --> 01:04:08,045
worked with tim hazelwood and those guys, fred, uh,

801
01:04:08,485 --> 01:04:12,345
was a tour professional for many years. Went out and worked for the city of phoenix

802
01:04:12,645 --> 01:04:14,345
and, and helped manage four golf courses.

803
01:04:17,365 --> 01:04:20,785
he told me saturday he, and he told me the number, I can't remember,

804
01:04:21,565 --> 01:04:25,345
it was in their youth golf program and their youth

805
01:04:26,095 --> 01:04:29,405
golf program. If you were a youth golfer, you didn't pay a green fee.

806
01:04:31,505 --> 01:04:35,115
thousands and thousands of youth golfers in phoenix never

807
01:04:35,975 --> 01:04:39,885
paid a green fee ever. We can do that.

808
01:04:40,545 --> 01:04:44,445
we can be that. We can, we can do youth golf. We can't do a viable

809
01:04:44,695 --> 01:04:48,605
youth golf environment because they can't afford it. They

810
01:04:48,885 --> 01:04:52,705
can't afford to have all those kids running around out there. So that's

811
01:04:53,125 --> 01:04:56,915
just one of the things I would love to see. He's, fred

812
01:04:57,235 --> 01:05:01,065
said we had one of the best youth programs in the united states. We

813
01:05:01,285 --> 01:05:04,975
could have that here. We could have that here. So thank

814
01:05:05,325 --> 01:05:09,305
y'all. Please do the right thing. Let's look down the road and

815
01:05:09,525 --> 01:05:12,365
let's make a good decision. Thank y'all. Alright, thank you.

816
01:05:17,825 --> 01:05:18,565
so next we have david mccartney,

817
01:05:25,175 --> 01:05:29,065
david mccartney, 1 0 5 3 9 eagle drive. Uh,

818
01:05:29,555 --> 01:05:33,365
good evening, mayor and council. Uh, you know, I just

819
01:05:33,565 --> 01:05:37,185
want to state, I am pro golf. Uh, after all, I was the

820
01:05:37,685 --> 01:05:41,385
district council member for the golf course for many years and I did try

821
01:05:41,705 --> 01:05:45,425
to have a successful boat to get the golf course passed.

822
01:05:45,945 --> 01:05:49,055
and unfortunately we lost it by, uh, 61 boats.

823
01:05:49,985 --> 01:05:53,885
and now that the hotel convention centers coming in, that

824
01:05:54,085 --> 01:05:57,885
is a game changer. And I'd like to see a golf course. It would help,

825
01:05:58,745 --> 01:06:02,645
uh, the development in the area and it would help the hotel convention center.

826
01:06:03,195 --> 01:06:06,995
however, I, I just don't like this deal. I think it's a bad deal. It's

827
01:06:07,285 --> 01:06:11,265
one of the worst I've ever seen. It's way too rich for the developers and the

828
01:06:11,545 --> 01:06:15,525
city's getting too little back in return and there's just too many unknowns.

829
01:06:16,665 --> 01:06:20,665
and I didn't like the rfp process. We have one bidder

830
01:06:21,145 --> 01:06:25,045
and in the past, whenever we had, uh, rfp with one bidder, we always

831
01:06:25,285 --> 01:06:29,245
went out and put it out again to see if we could get more. We didn't reach out in

832
01:06:29,445 --> 01:06:33,245
any golf trade magazines. We didn't really try to get anybody

833
01:06:33,705 --> 01:06:36,845
in that industry to come out here and give us any more options.

834
01:06:37,825 --> 01:06:41,805
and that's another thing I don't like. We're all told there are no other options.

835
01:06:42,295 --> 01:06:45,785
there are no other options. Uh, we have to do this one.

836
01:06:46,315 --> 01:06:50,155
well, you know, it takes a former mayor to go out in three days.

837
01:06:50,625 --> 01:06:54,525
he can come up with another option. So I know that there's other options that

838
01:06:54,805 --> 01:06:58,775
could be done. We just need to pump the brakes and look at it. Let's

839
01:06:59,585 --> 01:07:03,365
not make a mistake. Let's make sure we're making the right deal for the taxpayers

840
01:07:04,065 --> 01:07:07,635
and the citizens of baytown and do our due diligence. There's

841
01:07:08,125 --> 01:07:12,005
no rush to do this. So we have nothing to lose and everything to

842
01:07:12,205 --> 01:07:15,965
gain. And, and calvin just made a perfect example of what,

843
01:07:16,275 --> 01:07:20,245
what might be able to be done. That that's what I gotta say. So I encourage you

844
01:07:20,405 --> 01:07:24,245
to either table this or, or vote no. Okay. Alright. Thank you.

845
01:07:27,985 --> 01:07:31,925
so next I think I see, uh, so next we have jeff walters, you move seat.

846
01:07:32,165 --> 01:07:36,085
so I didn't know where you went. I'm jeff walters 2303

847
01:07:36,845 --> 01:07:40,705
james bowie drive. Um, you know, we

848
01:07:41,085 --> 01:07:43,665
elect y'all to represent us in, uh,

849
01:07:45,115 --> 01:07:48,845
have good financial sense. Um, this wasn't

850
01:07:49,205 --> 01:07:52,085
looked into as well as I thought it should be.

851
01:07:53,385 --> 01:07:57,125
um, you know, baytown definitely needs a golf course.

852
01:07:57,595 --> 01:08:01,165
there's no question about it. Uh, there's an oil field that backs up to that

853
01:08:01,645 --> 01:08:05,635
property. You could put 18 holes, beautify the city, but instead,

854
01:08:07,105 --> 01:08:10,685
uh, this was very short term in trying to find someone

855
01:08:11,705 --> 01:08:15,385
to put something in. Uh, kind of raises

856
01:08:16,085 --> 01:08:18,105
questions of why, um,

857
01:08:21,545 --> 01:08:24,805
you know, I vote for you and you

858
01:08:25,905 --> 01:08:29,895
we want the best for our city. Um, don't

859
01:08:30,245 --> 01:08:34,165
bring in some half baked idea of a golf

860
01:08:34,365 --> 01:08:37,745
course. Put something in here we can be proud of. Um,

861
01:08:38,825 --> 01:08:42,485
that's all I have. I know that there's other people looking into it,

862
01:08:43,505 --> 01:08:45,925
uh, because of the way it was done.

863
01:08:47,625 --> 01:08:51,605
so vote your conscience, vote what's financially responsible

864
01:08:52,485 --> 01:08:56,045
for our city and build something that we'll be proud of.

865
01:08:57,505 --> 01:09:01,125
so that's all I've gotta say. Alright, thank you. Alright, next we have scott johnson.

866
01:09:17,065 --> 01:09:21,055
good evening. Uh, scott johnson, 24 18 dorell

867
01:09:21,475 --> 01:09:25,415
drive in baytown. I live in evergreen sub fairways for

868
01:09:25,635 --> 01:09:28,555
over 19 years and it is a great neighborhood.

869
01:09:30,635 --> 01:09:33,835
I never, ever planned to ever attend another council meeting.

870
01:09:36,305 --> 01:09:40,075
much less to end up here at the podium. And I'm sure mike probably said the same thing.

871
01:09:40,895 --> 01:09:44,755
and there we are. So when I retired less than six months

872
01:09:45,055 --> 01:09:48,955
ago, there was no talk of a golf course. So discussion

873
01:09:49,555 --> 01:09:52,295
of a cop of a golf course completely surprised me.

874
01:09:53,685 --> 01:09:56,995
first of all, I love to play golf. I'm not any good,

875
01:09:58,015 --> 01:10:01,835
but I love the game. And I want you to know that I support

876
01:10:02,155 --> 01:10:04,695
a golf course, a quality course.

877
01:10:06,585 --> 01:10:08,775
baytown deserves a first class course.

878
01:10:11,665 --> 01:10:15,425
baytown has spent millions on evergreen park, including

879
01:10:16,055 --> 01:10:19,515
the purchase of land. We've heard all this before. The renovation of the clubhouse,

880
01:10:20,315 --> 01:10:23,875
lighting the parking lot, irrigation improvements, trail improvements,

881
01:10:24,475 --> 01:10:27,915
disc, golf cart. This park offers so much to the community.

882
01:10:28,505 --> 01:10:32,355
fishing, backing, walking the trails, driving range in beautiful

883
01:10:33,045 --> 01:10:36,975
green space. And habitat. The, the

884
01:10:37,195 --> 01:10:40,115
city has several first class facilities, pirates bay,

885
01:10:41,215 --> 01:10:45,195
uh, the nature center, the marina, and soon to be a first

886
01:10:45,355 --> 01:10:48,955
class hotel in the convention center and several other fantastic

887
01:10:49,685 --> 01:10:53,505
parks around town. Let's hire a, a golf course architect,

888
01:10:55,055 --> 01:10:58,545
the silver firm, do a feasibility study, get input from,

889
01:10:59,225 --> 01:11:03,025
from, uh, area golfers and design the first class golf

890
01:11:03,315 --> 01:11:06,215
course, one that we could all be proud of.

891
01:11:07,895 --> 01:11:11,635
bid it out and do it right. Our neighborhood in trinity

892
01:11:12,105 --> 01:11:15,845
oaks has a beautiful park around it. It serves as a community,

893
01:11:16,225 --> 01:11:19,595
as a park. It has a sign, evergreen park.

894
01:11:21,555 --> 01:11:24,125
this land is more valuable than a dollar a year.

895
01:11:26,205 --> 01:11:28,315
I know municipal uses is on the deed,

896
01:11:30,345 --> 01:11:34,185
but it's an established park. Just say no.

897
01:11:34,895 --> 01:11:38,845
thank you. Thank you, scott.

898
01:11:41,515 --> 01:11:45,445
next I have, uh, byron beck. Oh, there you are,

899
01:11:56,415 --> 01:12:00,265
byron beck, 47, 27 blackstone street, and the,

900
01:12:00,505 --> 01:12:04,225
uh, beautiful east point subdivisions. Mr. Johnson. Uh,

901
01:12:06,815 --> 01:12:10,545
we've heard a lot of info, uh, interesting information tonight. Um,

902
01:12:12,405 --> 01:12:15,905
I, I'm a reformed sunday duffer. I guess, uh,

903
01:12:16,465 --> 01:12:20,405
my back won't allow me to play golf anymore. So, uh, I approached

904
01:12:20,645 --> 01:12:24,625
this from somebody that's been on the course. Um,

905
01:12:26,145 --> 01:12:30,085
I'm not opposed to the city building a golf course, and what

906
01:12:30,365 --> 01:12:34,345
I'm hearing from other people is really, for the most part, people

907
01:12:34,865 --> 01:12:38,765
are in favor of building a golf course. They're just not in favor of this deal

908
01:12:39,305 --> 01:12:43,155
and the way that this process is moving ahead. Um, there's

909
01:12:43,685 --> 01:12:46,915
a lot of red flags that I've seen in this that

910
01:12:47,725 --> 01:12:51,625
I think we should all take note of. Um, one

911
01:12:51,865 --> 01:12:55,305
is I've never seen so many former

912
01:12:55,875 --> 01:12:59,755
council members and mayors come out publicly against

913
01:13:00,245 --> 01:13:03,835
something that the council is considering right now. I know many

914
01:13:04,365 --> 01:13:07,885
of them would counsel, uh, counsel you privately

915
01:13:08,445 --> 01:13:12,275
if they disagreed with something, but, uh, it's really an unprecedented step

916
01:13:12,665 --> 01:13:16,345
to, for them to come out publicly in the sun and to address, uh,

917
01:13:16,785 --> 01:13:20,565
you folks against something that you're considering. I think that has a lot of weight.

918
01:13:21,745 --> 01:13:25,285
uh, we heard tonight, everyone that lives in that

919
01:13:26,035 --> 01:13:29,885
area is against this. The ones that are most effective are asking

920
01:13:30,385 --> 01:13:33,645
you not to do this. Uh, I think that carries a lot of weight.

921
01:13:34,425 --> 01:13:38,205
uh, there's a few other things I'd like to maybe bring up that if we're gonna look at other

922
01:13:38,685 --> 01:13:41,965
proposals, there's some things that maybe we ought to look at

923
01:13:42,785 --> 01:13:46,785
to see if it would help out the situation. One

924
01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:50,405
is we have that eyesore of a

925
01:13:51,265 --> 01:13:55,205
former driving range on I 10 by the nissan store. I don't know if

926
01:13:55,325 --> 01:13:58,645
somehow that can be utilized to help out the students.

927
01:14:00,105 --> 01:14:03,965
um, another fact I looked up, uh, I haven't heard it here tonight, but

928
01:14:04,165 --> 01:14:08,145
I've heard it in many other places, is the, the

929
01:14:08,525 --> 01:14:12,485
students have to drive so far if they want to go to eagle point. I plotted

930
01:14:12,925 --> 01:14:16,565
it out on google. It takes 15 minutes to get to evergreen. It takes 22

931
01:14:17,125 --> 01:14:19,465
to get to eagle point. I, I don't see that worth $6 million.

932
01:14:21,505 --> 01:14:24,745
um, I would urge you to

933
01:14:25,655 --> 01:14:29,645
maybe take another look at everything, see what other proposals would be out there.

934
01:14:30,305 --> 01:14:34,085
uh, mostly go to the voters and tell 'em that you're very fiscally

935
01:14:34,645 --> 01:14:38,645
conservative. I don't think you could say that again if you voted yes on this proposal.

936
01:14:39,705 --> 01:14:43,285
so I would just urge you to vote your conscience, but consider everything

937
01:14:44,065 --> 01:14:47,795
and the amount of opposition that's come out to this particular plan.

938
01:14:48,385 --> 01:14:51,725
and I think it'll come to the right decision. Thank you. Alright, thank you.

939
01:14:52,425 --> 01:14:53,445
uh, next we have chet thi.

940
01:15:01,455 --> 01:15:05,005
hello, counsel. Mayor, my name is chet thi. I live at two 11 post oak drive.

941
01:15:05,985 --> 01:15:09,865
um, I'm a real estate appraiser by profession. A lot of you know that. And

942
01:15:10,085 --> 01:15:13,845
my whole little world revolves around comparable sales and comparable projects.

943
01:15:15,305 --> 01:15:18,925
um, there's nobody here that can tell me anything about

944
01:15:19,675 --> 01:15:23,325
comparables or similar projects to what this project, this t 36

945
01:15:23,965 --> 01:15:27,035
proposal is in reference to how it's being evaluated.

946
01:15:28,465 --> 01:15:32,445
uh, and that's a real problem for me as far as from a professional standpoint

947
01:15:32,885 --> 01:15:36,805
and just being a tax paying citizen. Uh, nobody can give me an idea

948
01:15:37,265 --> 01:15:41,245
of anything, but we're guessing the su the success of this project

949
01:15:41,535 --> 01:15:45,485
based on educated

950
01:15:45,645 --> 01:15:49,485
guesses at best. And I understand that's a part of our,

951
01:15:49,835 --> 01:15:53,625
that happens sometimes. But my concern with this is

952
01:15:54,535 --> 01:15:58,325
we're talking about multi-millions of tax dollars at hand here and into,

953
01:15:58,715 --> 01:16:01,885
it's going into an unproven with no similar projects,

954
01:16:03,115 --> 01:16:06,945
nothing to evaluate from a new concept, one

955
01:16:07,165 --> 01:16:10,845
of a kind never been done before. But the most concerning

956
01:16:11,325 --> 01:16:15,245
is unproven project with there being no similar

957
01:16:15,455 --> 01:16:19,075
comparable projects to evaluate from. I'm asking that,

958
01:16:19,675 --> 01:16:23,485
that if this proposal does come to a vote, that you please consider

959
01:16:23,725 --> 01:16:27,725
a no vote. Uh, and it's spending the city's tax dollars on such

960
01:16:27,925 --> 01:16:31,605
an unproven project. The city claims to be a citizen driven

961
01:16:33,755 --> 01:16:37,725
citizen that is driven by citizen comments. And I ask that

962
01:16:38,005 --> 01:16:42,005
you actually do that in this situation. There've been

963
01:16:42,085 --> 01:16:45,845
many, many citizens asking out loud where this

964
01:16:46,125 --> 01:16:50,025
conceptual ideas come from. And one

965
01:16:50,245 --> 01:16:54,005
thing's for sure, this hasn't been citizen driven in any shape, form, or fashion.

966
01:16:54,995 --> 01:16:58,135
there's only been a handful of citizens when you consider the total population.

967
01:16:59,195 --> 01:17:02,885
only been a handful of people have even commented. I appreciate your consideration.

968
01:17:03,415 --> 01:17:06,675
thank you guys. Alright, thank you, che. Alright,

969
01:17:10,225 --> 01:17:14,005
so we have two individuals. Uh, they are the developers of, of this project,

970
01:17:14,385 --> 01:17:18,245
and so we wanna hear from them. Before we do that, um, there is some letters that

971
01:17:18,445 --> 01:17:22,235
I did wanna make the community, uh, aware about. I'll read one and I think the city manager will

972
01:17:22,525 --> 01:17:26,125
read two. Um, the first one does come from, uh, goose creek schools.

973
01:17:27,185 --> 01:17:30,365
uh, it was, it's from the, uh, director of athletics, lee lee martinez.

974
01:17:31,225 --> 01:17:35,165
uh, dear mayor cap and council members, I'm writing to express my support for the proposed golf course

975
01:17:35,405 --> 01:17:38,925
in baytown for the benefit of our students athletes in goose creek. C uh, c-I-s-c-I-s-d.

976
01:17:40,945 --> 01:17:44,465
as the district athletic director, it is my responsibility to help provide resources for

977
01:17:44,965 --> 01:17:48,565
athletic programs under my purview. Our high school golfers have historically been

978
01:17:49,005 --> 01:17:52,785
provided with the necessary amenities in baytown to practice, uh,

979
01:17:53,075 --> 01:17:56,965
golf throughout the school year. Many, many years ago, students from the high school and sterling high school

980
01:17:57,365 --> 01:18:01,365
practice at the country club golf course, and more recently, our high school students utilize evergreen as a

981
01:18:01,605 --> 01:18:05,565
practice facility. Due to the unforeseen or unfortunate, uh, closure of

982
01:18:05,765 --> 01:18:09,765
these golf courses are high school students from and goose creek memorial are required to

983
01:18:09,925 --> 01:18:13,565
travel to neighboring mountain bellevue each day to practice golf at eagle point golf club.

984
01:18:14,215 --> 01:18:18,145
while appreciative, this agreement creates several challenges for our student golfers, the

985
01:18:18,365 --> 01:18:22,085
travel time and associated costs are higher due to the distance in relation to our local

986
01:18:22,395 --> 01:18:26,245
high schools. And in addition to that, our district pays thousands of dollars each year

987
01:18:26,465 --> 01:18:30,365
for this service. A golf course situated in baytown would allow our student golfers to

988
01:18:30,725 --> 01:18:34,725
practice in their hometown. This provision would also reduce the amount of travel time for

989
01:18:34,925 --> 01:18:38,715
most students on the golf team. Expenditures for this program would be locally allocated,

990
01:18:39,325 --> 01:18:43,305
which would benefit our local economy. A golf course in baytown would greatly benefit our

991
01:18:43,525 --> 01:18:47,485
golf teams in goose creek, cisd for many reasons. Uh, it is my hope

992
01:18:47,755 --> 01:18:51,645
that the golf course is approved by city council. Signed, uh, lee martinez,

993
01:18:52,165 --> 01:18:56,125
director of athletics. So just wanna make you aware of that. Uh, and then I, I believe there's two letters.

994
01:18:56,285 --> 01:18:58,725
if you can briefly, uh, I guess convey that message.

995
01:19:00,755 --> 01:19:04,505
sure. To whom it may concern, montego management two

996
01:19:04,965 --> 01:19:08,465
llc montego owns approximately 180

997
01:19:09,205 --> 01:19:13,105
acres of land immediately west of the former evergreen golf course located on

998
01:19:13,325 --> 01:19:17,085
evergreen road, baytown, texas. Montego is writing to submit

999
01:19:17,365 --> 01:19:20,245
this letter of support for the golf course proposed by miramar properties.

1000
01:19:21,515 --> 01:19:25,325
montego has had numerous conversations with rio ano, the owner

1001
01:19:25,735 --> 01:19:29,365
slash representative of miramar properties regarding the golf course development.

1002
01:19:30,345 --> 01:19:34,005
we believe that the golf course project would be a significant enhancement to the amenities

1003
01:19:34,405 --> 01:19:38,405
on the south side of baytown and ultimately attract both residents and visitors

1004
01:19:38,625 --> 01:19:42,485
to the sector of town. The project would compliment the housing development that

1005
01:19:42,755 --> 01:19:46,645
montego intends to develop on its property. The vistas afforded by

1006
01:19:46,805 --> 01:19:50,645
a golf course and the residences that would use such a facility make high quality

1007
01:19:50,965 --> 01:19:54,825
single family housing and attract a development option. Given the

1008
01:19:55,045 --> 01:19:58,965
near completion of grand parkway and the improved access to the southern part of

1009
01:19:59,155 --> 01:20:02,725
baytown, montego is eager to move forward with the development of his property.

1010
01:20:03,305 --> 01:20:07,060
the layout and structure of its development will be impacted by the golf course project.

1011
01:20:07,755 --> 01:20:11,625
therefore, montego submits this letter of support for the golf course project in

1012
01:20:11,845 --> 01:20:15,825
hopes that it can work cooperatively with both the city and the golf course operator to

1013
01:20:16,045 --> 01:20:20,045
achieve development that benefits all parties. Thank you. The second

1014
01:20:20,205 --> 01:20:24,155
letter, and that's signed, by the way, bradford, a phillips president

1015
01:20:25,385 --> 01:20:26,885
of montego management, llc.

1016
01:20:29,585 --> 01:20:33,405
um, this is, uh, addressed to rio. As a developer

1017
01:20:33,915 --> 01:20:37,885
with an interest on the south side of baytown, I support well-planned and quality

1018
01:20:38,085 --> 01:20:41,645
development that brings value to the south side and community as a whole.

1019
01:20:42,225 --> 01:20:46,205
it appears that you have done considerable due diligence and have surrounded yourself

1020
01:20:46,325 --> 01:20:50,245
with top professionals that would result in a product that we can all be proud of.

1021
01:20:51,145 --> 01:20:54,165
our hope is that the community will unite in an effort to do the same.

1022
01:20:55,835 --> 01:20:58,685
matt wells. Wells holding. Alright, thank you.

1023
01:21:00,075 --> 01:21:03,665
alright. Uh, now we will, um,

1024
01:21:04,145 --> 01:21:08,085
we will hear from our, the two developers. So we have rio and david, whoever wants to

1025
01:21:08,165 --> 01:21:10,245
go first or however y'all want to. You have.

1026
01:21:21,125 --> 01:21:24,495
okay. I'll be brief. Um, I'm, uh, rio

1027
01:21:25,195 --> 01:21:29,035
ano. I'm from east tennessee. And, um, my

1028
01:21:29,255 --> 01:21:33,235
partner david henkel, also from east tennessee. Um, I wanted to,

1029
01:21:34,075 --> 01:21:36,655
uh, also introduce, we've got, uh, our professionals,

1030
01:21:38,335 --> 01:21:41,735
designers, builders and operators, uh, world class,

1031
01:21:42,555 --> 01:21:46,515
uh, as has been, was aptly stated by, uh, chris, uh, dr.

1032
01:21:46,765 --> 01:21:50,615
walford. Um, uh, thanks for, for your, your talk and

1033
01:21:50,775 --> 01:21:54,495
your, your kind words. Uh, jack morgan, uh, with,

1034
01:21:54,795 --> 01:21:58,435
uh, landscapes unlimited is on the, on the zoom call with us. Uh,

1035
01:21:59,125 --> 01:22:02,975
jake rickson, uh, also one of our ops guys. He's on

1036
01:22:03,135 --> 01:22:06,615
the call. Um, let's see. Mark mattingly,

1037
01:22:07,285 --> 01:22:11,155
he's our operations guy. He would be operating the course, uh,

1038
01:22:11,435 --> 01:22:14,775
for us, marketing, et cetera. He's also on the call with landscapes unlimited.

1039
01:22:16,235 --> 01:22:20,135
uh, rick buckin is on the zoom call with us is, uh, rick buckin

1040
01:22:20,535 --> 01:22:23,965
is our designer. Uh, rick has presently

1041
01:22:24,595 --> 01:22:27,925
has five courses in the top 100 residential

1042
01:22:28,615 --> 01:22:31,365
courses in the country, uh, currently has number five.

1043
01:22:32,635 --> 01:22:35,695
um, the, uh, colorado golf club that he, uh, co-developed

1044
01:22:37,085 --> 01:22:40,455
with, uh, mike mcg gidrick, um, who's also on the call,

1045
01:22:41,315 --> 01:22:44,925
uh, who was a legend in, in, um, in the, uh, pga circles.

1046
01:22:45,415 --> 01:22:49,375
and, uh, lpga, uh, he's a, a, an amazing golf

1047
01:22:49,655 --> 01:22:53,495
swing coach as coach some of the legends of golf. So he's

1048
01:22:53,775 --> 01:22:57,455
on the zoom call with us as well. And he's gonna say a few words here in a minute.

1049
01:22:57,995 --> 01:23:01,415
and, uh, we also have jeff, jeff tennell. He owns allegheny

1050
01:23:02,015 --> 01:23:05,885
image factory. And one of the things that we were planning to

1051
01:23:06,085 --> 01:23:09,805
do as part of this development is actually film an eight

1052
01:23:10,115 --> 01:23:14,045
episode, essentially kinda a reality tv show that would

1053
01:23:14,325 --> 01:23:18,165
provide the city of baytown an opportunity to have a national platform,

1054
01:23:19,065 --> 01:23:22,245
um, and showcase the course, obviously in baytown in general.

1055
01:23:23,625 --> 01:23:27,475
um, so I'm gonna turn things over briefly to, um, mike

1056
01:23:27,785 --> 01:23:31,395
mcg gidrick, who wants to say a few words about, uh, this 18 hole

1057
01:23:31,995 --> 01:23:35,455
golf course. And I can't emphasize that, that enough. 6,200

1058
01:23:36,375 --> 01:23:40,275
yards par. 71 72 18 hole golf

1059
01:23:40,565 --> 01:23:44,565
course. Okay. It's not a gimmick, it's not a

1060
01:23:44,705 --> 01:23:47,885
toy. It's not some mini golf. It's an 18 hole golf course.

1061
01:23:49,225 --> 01:23:53,165
uh, mike, are you there? Angie? Is he there? Mike, if you would,

1062
01:23:53,565 --> 01:23:57,105
I am. Mike. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. You got the helm.

1063
01:23:58,585 --> 01:24:02,265
yeah. Thank you for, uh, the opportunity to speak. My name is mike

1064
01:24:02,875 --> 01:24:06,795
ettrick. I'm a pga golf professional. I've been a pga golf

1065
01:24:06,995 --> 01:24:10,195
professional for 37 years. I'm a golf professional

1066
01:24:11,375 --> 01:24:15,065
in at the robert trent jones golf course in gainesville,

1067
01:24:16,075 --> 01:24:19,675
virginia. I used to be a golf professional in houston,

1068
01:24:20,125 --> 01:24:24,045
texas, a golf club of houston. Many of you know, we used to host the shell

1069
01:24:24,395 --> 01:24:27,895
houston open, and I was the developer and founder of

1070
01:24:28,435 --> 01:24:31,815
colorado golf club, where rick ton was

1071
01:24:32,635 --> 01:24:36,635
a land planner and a golf course developer. And I used landscapes

1072
01:24:37,035 --> 01:24:41,035
unlimited to build colorado golf club. What I'd like to

1073
01:24:41,155 --> 01:24:44,795
share with you is the essence of this golf course.

1074
01:24:45,455 --> 01:24:48,755
and it's new, it's a new concept to some of the audience,

1075
01:24:49,495 --> 01:24:53,285
but around the world, it really isn't new. If you would go to japan,

1076
01:24:53,635 --> 01:24:57,155
for example, a large majority of their golf courses

1077
01:24:57,825 --> 01:25:01,455
have duo grains on every hole. And the purpose for that is

1078
01:25:01,985 --> 01:25:05,975
they have summer greens and they have winter greens in the, in

1079
01:25:06,195 --> 01:25:10,105
the united states, there's many golf courses that have been designed both

1080
01:25:10,505 --> 01:25:13,635
past and currently that have multiple,

1081
01:25:14,535 --> 01:25:17,925
uh, tees and have multiple, um, green

1082
01:25:18,545 --> 01:25:22,435
complexes on a golf hole, where you, you'll see two holes. So, for example,

1083
01:25:23,615 --> 01:25:27,235
old memorial in tampa has, uh, a couple

1084
01:25:27,725 --> 01:25:31,535
extra holes on their golf course. Uh, the traditions in

1085
01:25:31,985 --> 01:25:35,325
palm beach, um, west or in, uh, california

1086
01:25:37,015 --> 01:25:40,785
has, uh, a hole like that. And if you look at what

1087
01:25:41,145 --> 01:25:44,345
rick buckin has designed, I think it's just magical because

1088
01:25:45,345 --> 01:25:49,195
this is a regulation golf course that has multiple

1089
01:25:49,625 --> 01:25:53,475
tees, that you have different shot lines to play. You have

1090
01:25:53,995 --> 01:25:57,835
multiple greens. So think about it, if, if you're going to play nine holes,

1091
01:25:58,115 --> 01:26:02,035
you're gonna play a regulation, nine holes, and now you're gonna play

1092
01:26:02,335 --> 01:26:06,245
the second nine holes from a different tee box to a different shot line

1093
01:26:06,445 --> 01:26:10,145
down the fairway to a different green. And so you're

1094
01:26:10,565 --> 01:26:14,485
playing an 18 hole regulation golf course. So, because

1095
01:26:14,785 --> 01:26:18,715
of land constraints, it's a brilliant concept. The best

1096
01:26:19,115 --> 01:26:22,445
part about this is if you do your research, the usga,

1097
01:26:23,165 --> 01:26:27,115
which is the governing body of, and which is the united states golf association,

1098
01:26:28,545 --> 01:26:32,525
uh, will approve this golf course as a legitimate 18

1099
01:26:32,685 --> 01:26:36,285
hole golf course. They will do the slope rating, the golf course

1100
01:26:36,705 --> 01:26:40,245
rating, and it would be, this golf course would be a legitimate

1101
01:26:40,765 --> 01:26:44,685
golf course to hold sanctioned golf tournaments at. So if you, if you

1102
01:26:44,845 --> 01:26:48,815
ever had a usg golf tournament or other golf tournaments, state

1103
01:26:49,235 --> 01:26:52,575
golf tournaments, this would be considered a legitimate

1104
01:26:53,275 --> 01:26:56,165
golf course. Now, if you take the best architects in the world,

1105
01:26:57,345 --> 01:27:01,035
ben crenshaw, bill coer, I've shown him this concept, jack

1106
01:27:01,685 --> 01:27:05,575
nicholas, I've talked to about this concept. If you look at what golf is today,

1107
01:27:06,475 --> 01:27:10,025
golf is different. Jack nicholas, the biggest name in golf, is

1108
01:27:10,485 --> 01:27:14,445
building 12 hole golf courses. Right now, you're seeing a lot of nine hole golf

1109
01:27:14,685 --> 01:27:18,685
courses being built that are reversible nine. So in atlanta,

1110
01:27:19,085 --> 01:27:22,885
georgia, three years ago, they built a reversible nine hole golf

1111
01:27:23,165 --> 01:27:26,485
course. It's one of the most popular golf courses in that area.

1112
01:27:27,585 --> 01:27:30,985
so what they're trying to do, uh, I think reals, uh,

1113
01:27:31,805 --> 01:27:35,805
assembled a great team. You'll have a fantastic golf course.

1114
01:27:36,705 --> 01:27:40,405
and, and it is more than the golf course. It's a place to play golf on the golf course.

1115
01:27:41,315 --> 01:27:45,085
it's a place to practice golf and learn golf with the practice

1116
01:27:45,685 --> 01:27:49,665
facility. And then you have the clubhouse and the amenities to enjoy the

1117
01:27:49,885 --> 01:27:53,685
social aspects of golf and the world. And so at the end of the

1118
01:27:54,005 --> 01:27:57,685
day, you will have one of the top facilities in the country.

1119
01:27:58,665 --> 01:28:02,565
and this, this will be known as, uh, one of the

1120
01:28:02,725 --> 01:28:06,445
first ever 18 over nine golf courses. And, and I promise

1121
01:28:06,785 --> 01:28:08,485
you, you will see many of these in the coming years.

1122
01:28:11,465 --> 01:28:14,195
mike, thanks. Thanks very much, uh, for your words.

1123
01:28:15,495 --> 01:28:18,875
um, mark mattingly, are you there, buddy?

1124
01:28:22,475 --> 01:28:26,355
I am, yes. Hello. We go. Yeah. Thank you. Good evening, paul. Yeah, mark, can you basically give

1125
01:28:26,515 --> 01:28:30,475
us a quick overview of your company, landscapes unlimited, and, uh, just

1126
01:28:30,755 --> 01:28:34,695
talk in general terms, if you would, about what we're trying to accomplish, and,

1127
01:28:34,975 --> 01:28:38,955
uh, we'll go from there. Sure. Well, as, as you said

1128
01:28:39,115 --> 01:28:43,105
earlier, um, I represent the operations, uh, side of our company. Um, like

1129
01:28:43,395 --> 01:28:47,315
mike before me here, I'm a pga member as well, and been in the business for about 30 years.

1130
01:28:47,655 --> 01:28:51,385
but we have a, uh, team of experts in every element

1131
01:28:52,255 --> 01:28:55,955
of, uh, golf operation, discipline, from marketing and human resources

1132
01:28:56,335 --> 01:28:59,835
to food and beverage, obviously agronomics, golf operations, programming,

1133
01:29:01,145 --> 01:29:04,945
and everything in between. And, uh, we would be fully deployed at this project to

1134
01:29:05,165 --> 01:29:09,125
see, to it that, um, it really comes to life in the way that it's been,

1135
01:29:09,385 --> 01:29:13,185
uh, prepared in the proposal. And, um, we're confident, uh,

1136
01:29:13,405 --> 01:29:17,385
that there is definitely a market need there in the research that we've done in the area. And, uh,

1137
01:29:17,605 --> 01:29:21,525
we've used some modeling, as a matter of fact, and using some of our benchmarking

1138
01:29:22,085 --> 01:29:26,005
within the company. We're very comfortable at the, um, feasibility of this

1139
01:29:26,245 --> 01:29:30,085
project from an operations perspective. And on the line with us, uh, tonight too, our other

1140
01:29:30,325 --> 01:29:33,625
members of our team that really specialize in the, um,

1141
01:29:34,585 --> 01:29:38,165
the execution or the construction, if you will, of the, uh, the project.

1142
01:29:38,665 --> 01:29:42,565
and that would be, uh, jake brite and jack morgan. And if you want to ask a little

1143
01:29:42,685 --> 01:29:46,685
bit more from them, rio, in terms of, you know, bringing it out of the dirt and into life, they

1144
01:29:46,925 --> 01:29:50,825
can speak to that. But operationally, we're very comfortable with it. We're excited about it, and

1145
01:29:51,045 --> 01:29:54,275
I really think it's gonna be an asset to the community. Thanks, mark.

1146
01:29:55,555 --> 01:29:59,405
jack, jake, any of you guys want to, uh, kick in here? A few words,

1147
01:29:59,565 --> 01:29:59,565
please?

1148
01:30:05,475 --> 01:30:06,865
sure. Hi, bri. Thanks. Um,

1149
01:30:09,605 --> 01:30:13,305
landscapes of limb has been building golf courses for 40 to 45 years, um,

1150
01:30:13,855 --> 01:30:16,385
right across the country and internationally as well. Um,

1151
01:30:18,705 --> 01:30:22,265
we have a, we definitely have a footprint in texas, in the houston area. Um,

1152
01:30:23,025 --> 01:30:26,885
you know, our, our, um, our process, our approach

1153
01:30:27,115 --> 01:30:30,565
with this one would be to work with rick, um, on the architectural

1154
01:30:31,395 --> 01:30:35,025
side and come up with a schedule of values on an open book, uh,

1155
01:30:35,435 --> 01:30:38,945
transparent cost plus scenario. Um,

1156
01:30:40,105 --> 01:30:44,085
in terms of, you know, in terms of, um, one of the, the gentlemen that, that brought up the,

1157
01:30:44,265 --> 01:30:48,225
the cost per whole, you know, really this is an iterative process where we

1158
01:30:48,445 --> 01:30:51,945
take all things into account, retain what we can retain, um,

1159
01:30:52,865 --> 01:30:55,785
and, and, and build, build from there. So, um,

1160
01:30:56,915 --> 01:30:59,325
from jack, any, anything to add on there?

1161
01:31:01,185 --> 01:31:04,765
no, I just, I, I think that open book cost plus is our approach

1162
01:31:05,235 --> 01:31:08,585
with rick's group as far as our, uh, engagement and, um,

1163
01:31:09,745 --> 01:31:13,215
you know, we'll, we'll work within a prescribed budget and, uh, we'll

1164
01:31:13,845 --> 01:31:17,745
maximize those dollars and, and, uh, you know, figure out how to get this thing in

1165
01:31:18,105 --> 01:31:22,035
at, in under our app budget. And that

1166
01:31:22,325 --> 01:31:26,305
open book transparent approach is if it costs

1167
01:31:26,585 --> 01:31:30,085
a dollar, you pay a dollar. So that's, that's the way this thing will work. And, uh,

1168
01:31:30,605 --> 01:31:34,465
you know, we're dedicated to get this thing in the ground and at the best possible

1169
01:31:34,665 --> 01:31:38,505
price of most efficient schedule with utilizing our best resources.

1170
01:31:40,925 --> 01:31:44,745
thanks, joe. Uh, you know, I might add that we've done, I don't know, we've completed well over

1171
01:31:44,945 --> 01:31:48,945
2,500 projects. I think we're pushing up on 3000 now. Most of those

1172
01:31:49,085 --> 01:31:52,745
are golf courses all around the country. We have had a significant

1173
01:31:53,745 --> 01:31:57,065
presence in, in, in texas and done a lot of municipal work in texas.

1174
01:31:58,245 --> 01:32:02,205
so, um, you know, we're well familiar with the, with the, with the marketplace.

1175
01:32:03,265 --> 01:32:07,005
um, we we're, we're set up regionally, so we have a very strong texas

1176
01:32:07,305 --> 01:32:10,885
region. We have equipment personnel all time there in texas,

1177
01:32:11,985 --> 01:32:15,975
and a lot of resources in and around the houston area. So, um, you know, we're

1178
01:32:16,325 --> 01:32:17,565
ready to, we're ready to get in the ground.

1179
01:32:20,785 --> 01:32:23,905
thanks, jack. Uh, in the interest of time, um,

1180
01:32:25,105 --> 01:32:28,965
I'm gonna go ahead and just, uh, finish up here. Um, and, and

1181
01:32:29,165 --> 01:32:31,845
what I wanna say is, uh, you know, mackey smith,

1182
01:32:33,225 --> 01:32:37,165
uh, you enlightened me, uh, you know, I'm, I'm glad you

1183
01:32:37,325 --> 01:32:40,985
came up before me. And here's, here's, here's

1184
01:32:41,405 --> 01:32:45,385
their package right here. Okay. They presented you guys, and here we are knocking at

1185
01:32:45,605 --> 01:32:49,525
your door and write down in under key initiatives,

1186
01:32:50,785 --> 01:32:54,205
it says, maintain, expand properties to enable organized sports

1187
01:32:54,795 --> 01:32:58,275
such as soccer, football, disc, golf pickleball, and more

1188
01:32:59,765 --> 01:33:03,085
evaluate partnerships with private sector entities on increasing

1189
01:33:03,835 --> 01:33:07,405
golfing amenities to your residents, namely the private development

1190
01:33:08,005 --> 01:33:10,525
of evergreen golf course. And here we are knocking at your door

1191
01:33:13,455 --> 01:33:16,975
and closing, what I'd like to say is vote for yes, brings

1192
01:33:17,715 --> 01:33:21,035
18 holes, 6,200 yard public golf course to your community.

1193
01:33:22,095 --> 01:33:26,035
it brings junior golf back to your community. A vote for

1194
01:33:26,255 --> 01:33:30,235
yes, brings approximately, probably in excess of a hundred million

1195
01:33:31,055 --> 01:33:33,915
of new development to the south side overlay

1196
01:33:35,415 --> 01:33:39,375
u-haul. Have several lois, this isn't something we

1197
01:33:39,595 --> 01:33:43,515
just pulled outta the air that specifically touches on who those

1198
01:33:43,755 --> 01:33:47,755
people are. They're willing to come to your community. They're willing to come

1199
01:33:47,835 --> 01:33:48,435
to south side overlay

1200
01:33:53,275 --> 01:33:57,135
a vote for yes. Uh, for an entertainment hub for

1201
01:33:57,355 --> 01:34:00,705
the new convention center. The convention center needs somewhere

1202
01:34:02,095 --> 01:34:05,475
off campus where your patrons and your convention years can go.

1203
01:34:06,405 --> 01:34:10,395
right now, you do not have that. We can provide you that.

1204
01:34:15,375 --> 01:34:18,835
and the last thing I'd say is a vote for yes, brings hundreds of jobs

1205
01:34:20,485 --> 01:34:24,285
to the south side overlay, which is also extremely important to

1206
01:34:24,615 --> 01:34:28,605
baytown and a vote for no

1207
01:34:29,715 --> 01:34:33,495
kills all the entertainment opportunities that, uh, and indefinitely

1208
01:34:34,445 --> 01:34:38,375
that we could provide you. And, uh, mayor, I thank you for your time,

1209
01:34:39,045 --> 01:34:43,035
council members appreciate your time as well. I'm gonna turn things over to, uh, my

1210
01:34:43,255 --> 01:34:45,615
partner, david henkel .

1211
01:34:50,145 --> 01:34:53,965
thanks, uh, appreciate the opportunity to speak to you guys again for the

1212
01:34:54,565 --> 01:34:58,265
citizens who are here. Um, my background is retail,

1213
01:34:58,785 --> 01:35:02,595
retail development. I've spent 34 years working both

1214
01:35:02,905 --> 01:35:06,715
as a retailer on the development side. And we started this process working

1215
01:35:07,205 --> 01:35:11,205
with the city on the golf course. Uh, couple of things that I

1216
01:35:11,325 --> 01:35:14,485
did, I wanted to really show the council members and city leadership

1217
01:35:15,715 --> 01:35:19,605
some of the things that I've been involved with and really introduced in some city leaders,

1218
01:35:20,225 --> 01:35:23,305
uh, in oklahoma city that I think has really done a great job

1219
01:35:24,435 --> 01:35:28,045
with a public, private, um, program over the last 30 years.

1220
01:35:28,465 --> 01:35:32,285
so we, we met in oklahoma city, we toured an outlet center that I'm

1221
01:35:32,485 --> 01:35:36,245
the managing partner of a 400,000 square foot outlet center, is the only outlet

1222
01:35:36,525 --> 01:35:40,385
center in the state of oklahoma. We met city leaders, uh,

1223
01:35:40,905 --> 01:35:44,405
who really have been instrumental in, and again, creating programs,

1224
01:35:44,965 --> 01:35:48,925
public, private, uh, programs over the last 30 years

1225
01:35:49,165 --> 01:35:52,995
because oklahoma city, like houston in the late eighties was hit hard

1226
01:35:53,285 --> 01:35:57,235
when with oil prices. So we, you know, the mayor, city

1227
01:35:57,525 --> 01:36:01,525
manager, economic development, councilman lester, councilman johnson,

1228
01:36:02,105 --> 01:36:05,905
we all spent a day and a half up there. And so I'm immersed in

1229
01:36:06,125 --> 01:36:09,205
a world of retail, entertainment concepts,

1230
01:36:10,515 --> 01:36:13,855
food and beverage. So we met earlier today

1231
01:36:14,995 --> 01:36:18,765
with a, a big name in the entertainment concept, with an entertainment

1232
01:36:19,165 --> 01:36:22,605
concept about baytown. I brought them

1233
01:36:23,465 --> 01:36:26,885
to the community. I met with, uh, some sit leaders up here

1234
01:36:27,695 --> 01:36:30,805
three or four weeks ago. This has nothing to do with the golf course.

1235
01:36:32,025 --> 01:36:35,565
and what I say to everybody in this room is, we're here because we want to be here.

1236
01:36:36,985 --> 01:36:39,855
and economic development is momentum based.

1237
01:36:41,065 --> 01:36:44,995
and on the south side right now, there's no momentum to speak of.

1238
01:36:45,415 --> 01:36:49,295
and we think the golf course starts that. And we've been in discussion with all

1239
01:36:49,515 --> 01:36:53,315
the adjacent landowners. I've been asked more than once, david, can you guys give

1240
01:36:53,555 --> 01:36:57,355
us a master plan? And the example I I would say to you is, we can't

1241
01:36:57,595 --> 01:37:01,595
master plan your neighbor's yard to build a

1242
01:37:01,795 --> 01:37:05,775
swimming pool. You don't own that. But I can tell you there's strong interests by

1243
01:37:06,235 --> 01:37:10,175
rio. And I have not only developing the golf course, but

1244
01:37:10,505 --> 01:37:14,135
also being part of making baytown a better community by

1245
01:37:14,635 --> 01:37:18,595
offering some of the things that was presented in this presentation tonight. That's why we

1246
01:37:18,795 --> 01:37:22,735
named the the llc build baytown one. We

1247
01:37:22,955 --> 01:37:26,355
hope that there's a build baytown two and a three and a four.

1248
01:37:27,375 --> 01:37:31,235
and again, you know, these guys have, have seen some of

1249
01:37:31,395 --> 01:37:35,355
my work. You know, the relationships that we have are real, I'm on the

1250
01:37:35,435 --> 01:37:39,375
board of a, of a food tech company, just put a ceo in

1251
01:37:40,335 --> 01:37:43,715
30 plus year professional, and he's gonna be part of developing

1252
01:37:44,535 --> 01:37:48,275
the food and beverage concept for the clubhouse. So we have

1253
01:37:48,795 --> 01:37:52,735
invested an inordinate amount of time, energy, not just in the project, the

1254
01:37:52,955 --> 01:37:56,465
golf project itself, but trying to, to be part of

1255
01:37:56,995 --> 01:38:00,965
helping craft the future of baytown. So I can

1256
01:38:01,125 --> 01:38:04,975
understand, a lot of questions have been asked about

1257
01:38:05,325 --> 01:38:09,085
the golf course. It's different. I get that. But, you know, there's been a lot of,

1258
01:38:09,345 --> 01:38:13,035
of, of untruths of a lot of things said that just flat

1259
01:38:13,485 --> 01:38:16,845
out aren't true. So we're here tonight 'cause we want to be here.

1260
01:38:18,175 --> 01:38:21,915
we've worked with, with leadership to try to help our part

1261
01:38:22,265 --> 01:38:26,085
of helping baytown move forward. So obviously we want you guys to

1262
01:38:26,285 --> 01:38:29,945
vote yes. 'cause we want to be here. We're not a couple guys flying in

1263
01:38:31,295 --> 01:38:35,085
doing a deal and leaving town. That's not the way I built my career.

1264
01:38:35,905 --> 01:38:39,845
that's not the way rio has built his career. So, council members, we appreciate

1265
01:38:40,165 --> 01:38:44,165
the opportunity to speak to you tonight. You know, I, I think the team that rio

1266
01:38:44,345 --> 01:38:47,925
has assembled is world class. You know, everybody has strong opinions,

1267
01:38:49,025 --> 01:38:52,965
but this group of professionals is at the top of the food chain

1268
01:38:53,205 --> 01:38:57,205
when it comes to the golfing industry. Our goal is to build this golf course

1269
01:38:58,305 --> 01:39:02,035
and then find ways to do the other developments, retail developments with

1270
01:39:02,325 --> 01:39:06,305
entertainment components and food and beverage. So we appreciate your support and

1271
01:39:06,525 --> 01:39:09,245
thank you for the opportunity to speak. Alright, thank you.

1272
01:39:10,795 --> 01:39:14,605
alright. That, that has been everyone who has signed up to speak and obviously we heard from the developers.

1273
01:39:15,465 --> 01:39:19,365
uh, what I'm gonna do now is, um, go, and I'm gonna start with district

1274
01:39:19,545 --> 01:39:23,305
six, uh, the district council member, uh, to hear, hear some comments. Um,

1275
01:39:24,265 --> 01:39:28,185
I'm go from there. Second. Gonna go

1276
01:39:28,405 --> 01:39:32,365
seconds. Okay? Yes, sir. Okay, mayor, thanks.

1277
01:39:32,865 --> 01:39:36,325
um, I tell you this, this whole process, in my opinion

1278
01:39:38,145 --> 01:39:41,965
has been difficult without a doubt. I, I don't think anybody up here would disagree with that.

1279
01:39:42,425 --> 01:39:46,105
and in some aspects it's been backwards. Um,

1280
01:39:46,635 --> 01:39:50,485
typically we look at three 80 agreements. Uh, developer will come in

1281
01:39:50,645 --> 01:39:54,485
and say, we're gonna do a, b, and c. And for that we want

1282
01:39:55,165 --> 01:39:59,125
d, e, and f. And then we sit up here as a council and say, okay, we, we like

1283
01:39:59,325 --> 01:40:01,615
that and we go for it. Or don't.

1284
01:40:03,595 --> 01:40:07,005
this process kind of was, well, we'll, we'll come in and,

1285
01:40:07,785 --> 01:40:11,565
and please don't be offended to anybody. We'll, we'll come in and we'll build a nine hole

1286
01:40:11,805 --> 01:40:15,805
that plays 18 or an 18 hole course. It's got a little extra proper on it.

1287
01:40:15,925 --> 01:40:19,845
we'll decide what we're gonna do that later. But trust us. Give us 6 million bucks and we'll, we'll

1288
01:40:20,085 --> 01:40:23,905
call you when we're done. We'll, no,

1289
01:40:24,395 --> 01:40:28,325
that didn't settle well with me. And so since january, we've been going back and forth

1290
01:40:28,865 --> 01:40:32,805
and, and we have modified and tweaked and discussed and made changes

1291
01:40:33,185 --> 01:40:37,085
to the three 80 agreement. And I've said all along, that was my whole point

1292
01:40:37,425 --> 01:40:41,295
was to get it where the three 80 agreement and the lease would

1293
01:40:41,785 --> 01:40:45,685
be better for the city. Now how much

1294
01:40:45,865 --> 01:40:49,665
has that changed? Originally, I think the original three 80 agreement was

1295
01:40:50,085 --> 01:40:54,005
probably 99% developer, 1% city, in my opinion. I think it's

1296
01:40:54,245 --> 01:40:58,075
about a 60 40 split at this point in time. Could it be better? Yeah,

1297
01:40:58,365 --> 01:41:02,125
but at what point do they say, eh, it doesn't,

1298
01:41:03,465 --> 01:41:07,205
the difference between nine that plays 18 or 18 hole, I like the comment that it would be

1299
01:41:07,485 --> 01:41:10,965
approved as an 18 hole versus an absolute 18.

1300
01:41:12,625 --> 01:41:15,785
I'm not gonna get into that argument. I'm really not. Um,

1301
01:41:17,515 --> 01:41:21,315
when it first started out, I got phone calls, how could you be opposed to golf

1302
01:41:21,745 --> 01:41:25,605
in the city of baytown? You're crazy. And then I got the same

1303
01:41:25,765 --> 01:41:29,345
amount of phone calls from people who said, we've already voted on this, and the answer's no.

1304
01:41:31,405 --> 01:41:34,385
now that's transitioned to if you're not for 18,

1305
01:41:35,565 --> 01:41:39,265
the answer's no. And if golf never comes back, that's better.

1306
01:41:39,975 --> 01:41:43,145
well, that can't be, we, we can't draw those hard lines like that.

1307
01:41:44,165 --> 01:41:47,865
but I've worked hard over the last few months along with the mayor and a couple other members of this council

1308
01:41:48,965 --> 01:41:52,785
to get this contract more equitable for the city.

1309
01:41:53,035 --> 01:41:56,575
we've added in a performance matrix, we've added in clarification that

1310
01:41:57,485 --> 01:42:01,005
any amenities beyond the golf course itself

1311
01:42:01,525 --> 01:42:05,145
on the what's left of the 105 acres, has to be golf related

1312
01:42:05,565 --> 01:42:08,785
and approved by the city, by us, the landlord.

1313
01:42:09,845 --> 01:42:13,705
um, we've made some, again, again, changes and changes

1314
01:42:14,335 --> 01:42:17,665
incremental. And it's gotten to a point that,

1315
01:42:19,285 --> 01:42:23,235
you know, do we want to have golf to be an amenity for our our hotel

1316
01:42:23,585 --> 01:42:27,185
conference center or not? And again, I'm not gonna argue nine versus

1317
01:42:27,785 --> 01:42:30,185
18, a traditional 18 versus a modified 18.

1318
01:42:31,925 --> 01:42:35,545
you know, if, if we vote no on this deal, golf is gonna go away

1319
01:42:36,985 --> 01:42:40,745
because I got half the people calling me say they voted and they said no golf.

1320
01:42:42,215 --> 01:42:46,215
and I have the other half saying, well, we want golf off. So

1321
01:42:46,435 --> 01:42:50,135
here we go back again. How are we gonna argue that point? Um,

1322
01:42:50,655 --> 01:42:54,515
$6 million. This is a lot of money. I I got stormwater

1323
01:42:54,955 --> 01:42:58,915
issues in my district that never will end. $6 million will go a long

1324
01:42:58,995 --> 01:43:01,555
way towards those, the $6 million for a course

1325
01:43:03,745 --> 01:43:07,635
that somebody else is gonna own and operate basically, even though it's our property. I,

1326
01:43:07,875 --> 01:43:11,735
I use the term own loosely. They're gonna, if there's a loss on

1327
01:43:11,955 --> 01:43:15,875
an annual basis, they're gonna absorb that loss. The city's not. If the city builds

1328
01:43:16,235 --> 01:43:20,235
an 18 hole golf course and we operate it, if there's a loss, we absorb that

1329
01:43:20,505 --> 01:43:24,195
loss. I don't know if any municipal course in this area that doesn't sustain

1330
01:43:24,675 --> 01:43:28,595
a loss on an annual basis. So when you start talking about what it costs the city, you gotta build

1331
01:43:28,875 --> 01:43:32,255
back that loss every year. So it may cost us

1332
01:43:33,175 --> 01:43:37,115
double, okay, six to $12 million and then we have a $500,000 a

1333
01:43:37,235 --> 01:43:41,135
year loss every year. It's an amenity, it's a part. We

1334
01:43:41,355 --> 01:43:44,995
would absorb that, but this is a private entity gonna absorb

1335
01:43:45,395 --> 01:43:49,235
that loss. So it's a difficult

1336
01:43:49,645 --> 01:43:53,645
issue. There's been a lot of going back and forth. I've had folks

1337
01:43:53,965 --> 01:43:57,805
that I've known for a long time, uh, very terse conversations

1338
01:43:58,405 --> 01:44:02,405
with me and that's fine. I like those conversations. Um, but I also

1339
01:44:02,605 --> 01:44:06,605
heard that, you know, we need to listen to the people. And, and believe me, we are, I am. And that's

1340
01:44:06,805 --> 01:44:10,605
why we have delayed this until this point in time.

1341
01:44:11,025 --> 01:44:14,725
we have, you know, we started off pretty much running downhill with scissors

1342
01:44:15,105 --> 01:44:18,815
and, and a couple of us up here, and chris is one of them, have said, no, we're

1343
01:44:19,165 --> 01:44:23,045
not doing that. We're gonna, we are gonna methodically do that. Would I like to see

1344
01:44:23,205 --> 01:44:27,125
some, some options? Yeah, I would, but there's really not

1345
01:44:27,325 --> 01:44:30,885
an appetite for it. So again, do we walk away from a potential

1346
01:44:31,365 --> 01:44:35,365
deal? You know, I'll wait till the

1347
01:44:35,445 --> 01:44:39,305
vote comes to make my vote. But it, it's, it's tough. It

1348
01:44:39,525 --> 01:44:43,485
is tough to do this. Any developer doing any project, there's always incentives

1349
01:44:44,865 --> 01:44:47,005
and so forth. And so we're looking at a return on investment.

1350
01:44:49,265 --> 01:44:53,205
the potential return on investment is truly being a catalyst.

1351
01:44:53,485 --> 01:44:57,065
disperse some stuff up there. And I've argued with this council for months, 99

1352
01:44:57,945 --> 01:45:01,925
is gonna be significant activity down there. They're already starting

1353
01:45:01,965 --> 01:45:05,965
to clear some of those properties down there. It's amazing. So get ready.

1354
01:45:06,395 --> 01:45:10,265
it's gonna be a whirlwind when that stuff kicks in. So,

1355
01:45:11,985 --> 01:45:15,045
and mayor, I'll just let go with that. But it, it's pretty frustrating.

1356
01:45:16,015 --> 01:45:19,815
again, the coalitions that have transitioned since january today,

1357
01:45:20,415 --> 01:45:24,055
there are people that are working together that I thought would never

1358
01:45:24,635 --> 01:45:28,565
work together, but they are. So it is just one of those things.

1359
01:45:28,745 --> 01:45:32,605
but yeah, it is folks that say that we're not listening. They're not paying attention

1360
01:45:33,205 --> 01:45:37,205
'cause we are listening. But for every one of you that sits up here and says, I want it this

1361
01:45:37,365 --> 01:45:40,205
way, I've got somebody else on my phone says, I want it a different way.

1362
01:45:41,545 --> 01:45:45,345
so it's not that, it's not like flipping the switch. It's not that cut and dry.

1363
01:45:46,185 --> 01:45:49,485
so again, we've, we've done the best we can. We carved out some of the properties.

1364
01:45:50,275 --> 01:45:53,625
some of the biggest issues that we had or that I had was

1365
01:45:54,505 --> 01:45:58,145
the extra property that's not being used specifically by the course. That's

1366
01:45:58,565 --> 01:46:02,365
a question mark. It's a blank. What are we gonna put in there? Well, some

1367
01:46:02,645 --> 01:46:06,645
of that's come to light and I appreciate that. Again, that's a little different than a normal three

1368
01:46:06,885 --> 01:46:10,505
80 because a normal three 80 would, you've already laid it all out to me. So

1369
01:46:10,905 --> 01:46:14,205
it, it's, it's been a long process. It's difficult, it's difficult for the developers.

1370
01:46:15,185 --> 01:46:19,105
um, so, you

1371
01:46:19,325 --> 01:46:23,105
know, it really comes down to me to we want golf or not. And,

1372
01:46:23,545 --> 01:46:27,125
and we'll make that decision here in a little bit. Thank you, mayor.

1373
01:46:27,735 --> 01:46:31,685
thank you councilman. I think, uh, councilman resley, you wanna go next and yes sir. You may

1374
01:46:31,805 --> 01:46:34,705
have take a small recess. I'm not sure. . Okay. Alright. So

1375
01:46:38,355 --> 01:46:42,225
I've talked from the very start about the process. And in

1376
01:46:42,465 --> 01:46:45,205
my opinion, it was a backwards process.

1377
01:46:46,785 --> 01:46:50,605
and it, it, it was a poor process in my

1378
01:46:50,805 --> 01:46:52,305
opinion. And,

1379
01:46:55,025 --> 01:46:58,945
you know, it, it, it appears their, their council may be somewhat divided to

1380
01:46:59,165 --> 01:47:02,905
some degree. And when I came here tonight and saw how crowded this room was,

1381
01:47:03,205 --> 01:47:06,955
I thought, well, the community is divided. But sitting

1382
01:47:07,525 --> 01:47:11,465
through these open sessions, to

1383
01:47:11,685 --> 01:47:15,245
the best of my knowledge, out of all the people that have spoken,

1384
01:47:16,905 --> 01:47:20,865
out of all the people that have come up to that podium and said, I'm for or against it,

1385
01:47:21,685 --> 01:47:25,205
I only know of, of the wars that have said there are for it.

1386
01:47:26,375 --> 01:47:30,325
every other voice and every other person that has come to that podium

1387
01:47:31,455 --> 01:47:35,105
other than the developers are not for it. So

1388
01:47:36,485 --> 01:47:40,125
I don't think the community is divided. I think the community

1389
01:47:40,625 --> 01:47:44,245
is together. And I am frustrated.

1390
01:47:44,705 --> 01:47:48,645
I'm a passionate person and, and I'm a little rough around the edges sometimes,

1391
01:47:49,985 --> 01:47:53,945
but I am frustrated that that council has

1392
01:47:54,165 --> 01:47:57,325
been put in a tough position and the developers have endured.

1393
01:47:58,505 --> 01:48:01,785
but it's a position, in my opinion, we didn't have to be in.

1394
01:48:03,225 --> 01:48:04,765
and to me,

1395
01:48:07,945 --> 01:48:11,325
all, you know, all it takes to rectify the situation

1396
01:48:12,425 --> 01:48:16,225
is four of us to vote no or to table it

1397
01:48:16,525 --> 01:48:19,415
indefinitely and allow

1398
01:48:20,865 --> 01:48:24,585
the taxpayers, all of the citizens that have opposed it,

1399
01:48:25,825 --> 01:48:29,325
the respect they deserve, and to see

1400
01:48:29,995 --> 01:48:33,685
what other options may exist, possibly the developers

1401
01:48:34,445 --> 01:48:36,965
involved in that process. I don't know. I,

1402
01:48:39,985 --> 01:48:43,885
you know, the, the question to me is, is why pump the, you know,

1403
01:48:44,065 --> 01:48:48,065
is it's not why pump it's, it's why not? I do agree there. There's nothing to

1404
01:48:48,285 --> 01:48:52,165
lose by doing that. And you know, mayor, you, you mentioned last time

1405
01:48:52,325 --> 01:48:56,125
that the former mayor spoke, you know, you, you closed with the comment

1406
01:48:56,395 --> 01:48:59,825
that you're not opposed to looking at options. And

1407
01:49:01,025 --> 01:49:04,765
you know, we've heard tonight, , there there may be other options

1408
01:49:05,085 --> 01:49:08,905
that could save the city millions of dollars. And

1409
01:49:10,065 --> 01:49:13,645
so, you know, that's, that's kind of where I'm at. And I, I

1410
01:49:14,165 --> 01:49:17,865
represent the lowest income district in this city. And

1411
01:49:18,245 --> 01:49:21,535
I, I'm here to tell you, I haven't had any calls

1412
01:49:22,345 --> 01:49:26,125
to me that said we voted no, we don't want golf.

1413
01:49:27,155 --> 01:49:31,125
I've had zero. And you know, I,

1414
01:49:31,265 --> 01:49:34,285
I'm not gonna rep plow old ground. Clearly. I don't think it's a good deal.

1415
01:49:35,665 --> 01:49:39,525
but, and, and I usually look at everything from a business perspective,

1416
01:49:40,185 --> 01:49:43,905
that's sometimes that's a fault of mine. But I, I've lived on texas avenue

1417
01:49:44,545 --> 01:49:48,205
for 17 years and I was attracted

1418
01:49:48,625 --> 01:49:52,045
to the area. And what I was most attracted

1419
01:49:52,665 --> 01:49:56,525
to were the people down there because I met a lot of

1420
01:49:56,685 --> 01:50:00,485
good people that cared. And I've sat on this dais for nine years,

1421
01:50:00,945 --> 01:50:04,165
and I can't tell you the number of times that we voted and talked about

1422
01:50:05,515 --> 01:50:08,575
very important issues, and no one cared.

1423
01:50:10,275 --> 01:50:14,175
and, and I see a room full of people that care. And that's what

1424
01:50:14,375 --> 01:50:18,375
we have here tonight. And it's very special. And I think this

1425
01:50:18,575 --> 01:50:22,135
council should listen to it and heed to that.

1426
01:50:23,195 --> 01:50:26,255
so that's where I'm at. You know, I, I respect these developers.

1427
01:50:27,335 --> 01:50:31,335
I had the opportunity to meet 'em. I think they're nice guys. I, I really do. I mean, it

1428
01:50:31,495 --> 01:50:35,495
was a pleasure to meet you and and you guys haven't called me or, or leaned on

1429
01:50:35,655 --> 01:50:39,635
me and tried to convince me of anything, and I really respect that. I do.

1430
01:50:40,755 --> 01:50:44,615
so I'm just putting it out there. I'm, I'm making a personal

1431
01:50:44,965 --> 01:50:48,585
plea , and, and I've served with these folks

1432
01:50:49,035 --> 01:50:52,655
for a long time and, and I respect everybody up here. I'm making a

1433
01:50:53,055 --> 01:50:56,695
personal plea to pump the brakes. And I'm asking the developer

1434
01:50:58,035 --> 01:51:01,805
to, to be okay with that and, and, and give

1435
01:51:02,155 --> 01:51:06,095
the respect to these citizens. They, they deserve that. So I'm making a

1436
01:51:06,415 --> 01:51:10,375
personal plea. I've done everything I can and, and I'm just, I'm not gonna

1437
01:51:10,575 --> 01:51:14,495
fight anymore. I guess we'll vote it up or down or table. And, and I've been an open

1438
01:51:14,675 --> 01:51:17,655
as and as honest as I can be. And, and I appreciate the time.

1439
01:51:18,985 --> 01:51:19,335
thank you.

1440
01:51:25,115 --> 01:51:28,555
so we'll move on to other council comments and then, uh, then, uh,

1441
01:51:29,745 --> 01:51:33,675
we'll move from there. Yes, ma'am. I'll, I'll start at district one if you have any comments or questions. Um,

1442
01:51:33,895 --> 01:51:37,655
just a few comments. Uh, mayor and I, I do appreciate those

1443
01:51:38,245 --> 01:51:41,805
that, that showed up and spoke, but I also have those that

1444
01:51:42,345 --> 01:51:46,195
would call me. They may not be here, but we also listen to

1445
01:51:46,415 --> 01:51:49,855
those that may not have been able to show up or, or just preferred

1446
01:51:50,515 --> 01:51:54,395
to call or email us. So it's not just those that show up

1447
01:51:54,885 --> 01:51:58,815
that we listen to. But I do appreciate y'all taking time out of your

1448
01:51:59,215 --> 01:52:03,195
schedule to come down. And I know it's already gonna be 10 o'clock and you're hanging in

1449
01:52:03,415 --> 01:52:07,375
there with us. Um, you know, a year, a year

1450
01:52:07,635 --> 01:52:11,055
ago before this whole golf course came into play,

1451
01:52:11,835 --> 01:52:15,595
um, I was told about a, a, a root at report that the

1452
01:52:15,975 --> 01:52:19,805
city had conducted back in the nineties. And so I'm like, what

1453
01:52:20,095 --> 01:52:23,965
is that? And so I, I looked it up and, uh, made

1454
01:52:24,255 --> 01:52:28,175
copies. I gave some to council during a retreat. I talked to rick about

1455
01:52:28,495 --> 01:52:31,825
it. Um, and it was the regional urban design assistance

1456
01:52:32,525 --> 01:52:36,335
team that visited baytown on june 7th through the 11th

1457
01:52:36,755 --> 01:52:40,235
in 1990. Since that report,

1458
01:52:42,215 --> 01:52:45,795
they stated that we are underutilizing our waterways,

1459
01:52:47,285 --> 01:52:51,285
1990. Here we are in 2022. Now granted a

1460
01:52:51,405 --> 01:52:55,335
lot of the stuff that was on the report, the city has moved

1461
01:52:55,805 --> 01:52:59,645
tremendously forward. And that was credit also to those that were here before

1462
01:53:00,065 --> 01:53:04,005
us on this da. So I give them a lot of credit as well, because

1463
01:53:05,025 --> 01:53:08,885
we are where we are because of this report and the, the needs

1464
01:53:09,205 --> 01:53:12,855
that they identified that we needed for the city, and again,

1465
01:53:13,665 --> 01:53:17,445
the waterways, um, to quote one of the residents that was

1466
01:53:17,805 --> 01:53:21,525
a part of this is to be successful. I'm afraid

1467
01:53:21,815 --> 01:53:25,365
we'll just have to work together. We have to work

1468
01:53:25,885 --> 01:53:29,475
together to bring forward the future that we need for baytown.

1469
01:53:30,905 --> 01:53:34,685
it goes on to say that building a better baytown will require not only

1470
01:53:35,125 --> 01:53:38,925
a community consensus about the direction in which baytown should

1471
01:53:39,315 --> 01:53:43,225
move forward in the future, but a willingness to

1472
01:53:43,445 --> 01:53:47,325
spend money to bring that future forward. It's a 79

1473
01:53:48,035 --> 01:53:51,685
page report. Uh, you know, the city has a copy of it. You can google

1474
01:53:52,105 --> 01:53:55,705
the report and read it page by page because I did.

1475
01:53:56,965 --> 01:54:00,545
and I took a lot of that to heart. The, one of the other

1476
01:54:00,985 --> 01:54:04,805
questions that I got from, um, some of my residents were about, you

1477
01:54:05,025 --> 01:54:08,885
know, is this golf course going to be eco-friendly? And

1478
01:54:09,495 --> 01:54:12,305
they kept telling me that golf courses were not eco-friendly.

1479
01:54:13,535 --> 01:54:17,485
look at all the waste and, and, and, you know, it's not environmentally friendly. So

1480
01:54:17,785 --> 01:54:21,655
I went back and I did some research as well, according to golf

1481
01:54:22,085 --> 01:54:25,905
digest, environmentally friendly golf courses are the wave

1482
01:54:26,445 --> 01:54:30,345
of the future. I asked rick, I said, do we need to put

1483
01:54:30,505 --> 01:54:34,315
something in into this agreement that ensures these

1484
01:54:34,715 --> 01:54:38,465
developers are gonna create an eco-friendly golf course for the environment

1485
01:54:39,315 --> 01:54:43,265
being so close to our waterways? And he said, we don't

1486
01:54:43,545 --> 01:54:47,325
need to put it into the, the contract, but we can

1487
01:54:47,775 --> 01:54:51,665
look at it during the design design phase of the golf

1488
01:54:51,905 --> 01:54:55,885
course. And that's certainly something that I would be keeping an eye on should

1489
01:54:56,305 --> 01:55:00,305
this measure pass tonight. Um, mossy oak

1490
01:55:00,535 --> 01:55:04,295
over in west point, mississippi, they, they were the ones that

1491
01:55:04,585 --> 01:55:08,135
this article was written about. Palm desert. Um, country club

1492
01:55:08,815 --> 01:55:12,675
also has an eco-friendly golf course. So this is not going

1493
01:55:13,025 --> 01:55:16,825
to be something that they're just gonna go throw out there, and it's

1494
01:55:17,105 --> 01:55:20,845
not gonna be eco-friendly. I'm addressing this because it was brought up by

1495
01:55:21,265 --> 01:55:25,265
a resident. So I'm addressing their concerns. So there it goes

1496
01:55:25,445 --> 01:55:29,325
on to state how golf courses can be eco-friendly, but, um,

1497
01:55:29,935 --> 01:55:33,825
many of you may already know that. But, um, to me,

1498
01:55:36,185 --> 01:55:39,785
every business begins with an idea. I heard comments about,

1499
01:55:40,435 --> 01:55:44,205
oh, this is unique. This is one of a kind, whatever. Every business,

1500
01:55:44,745 --> 01:55:48,605
you know, starts with an idea. You, if you are a business owner,

1501
01:55:49,185 --> 01:55:53,005
you had an idea to build your business, did someone tell you it's not gonna work?

1502
01:55:53,495 --> 01:55:57,005
don't do it. It's too much money, you're gonna lose money. Did you move forward?

1503
01:55:57,725 --> 01:56:00,965
probably, and hopefully you were successful in your business,

1504
01:56:01,825 --> 01:56:05,725
but we're beginning with an idea and I, I really,

1505
01:56:06,185 --> 01:56:10,105
you know, I have had those mixed reviews of yeses and nos and, you

1506
01:56:10,325 --> 01:56:13,725
know, do I fall in between? So I have had those. So really

1507
01:56:14,345 --> 01:56:17,185
our goal is to create and, uh, you know, and foster

1508
01:56:18,405 --> 01:56:22,325
economic development in an area that has not had it and has

1509
01:56:22,525 --> 01:56:26,525
been asking for it since 1990. So that's where

1510
01:56:26,645 --> 01:56:30,605
I'll leave my remarks. Thank you, councilwoman. I'm going to

1511
01:56:30,845 --> 01:56:30,965
district three.

1512
01:56:38,285 --> 01:56:41,485
I wanna say thank you to everyone that came out tonight. Uh, the developers,

1513
01:56:42,825 --> 01:56:46,685
I'm gonna call out some people in my district that I see sitting in the audience that I've had

1514
01:56:47,085 --> 01:56:50,785
communication with. Chet ths, mr. Rebeck, um,

1515
01:56:51,565 --> 01:56:55,075
I really appreciate you all coming out and showing your concern

1516
01:56:56,545 --> 01:57:00,285
for the city of baytown with this being so far away from our district.

1517
01:57:01,155 --> 01:57:04,675
that being said, I'm going to address some issues that I've,

1518
01:57:05,715 --> 01:57:09,695
I've had maybe six emails today

1519
01:57:10,515 --> 01:57:13,005
from some people from my district with their concerns.

1520
01:57:14,785 --> 01:57:18,565
I'm out, I'm out and about around town with my family a lot,

1521
01:57:19,505 --> 01:57:23,165
and I've had more phone calls, dinner interruptions,

1522
01:57:24,595 --> 01:57:27,925
grocery shopping trips that took an extra 30 minutes.

1523
01:57:29,025 --> 01:57:32,605
not complaining, but I love those opportunities where I have an opportunity

1524
01:57:33,105 --> 01:57:35,845
to interact with our citizens out in public.

1525
01:57:38,185 --> 01:57:42,085
one of the main concerns was safety. Going

1526
01:57:42,435 --> 01:57:46,315
back to the, uh, first time that the developers presented, they said

1527
01:57:46,515 --> 01:57:50,455
that the greens were going to be, I believe, twice the size of

1528
01:57:50,975 --> 01:57:54,915
nor of, um, the average golf course. So I

1529
01:57:55,035 --> 01:57:58,525
looked up some statistics on people getting hit by golf balls.

1530
01:57:59,615 --> 01:58:03,465
and what I found was that it is less than 1% of individuals

1531
01:58:04,155 --> 01:58:07,955
who play golf or hit by golf balls and even smaller number

1532
01:58:08,575 --> 01:58:12,515
are killed. And that's not a joke. I've had a couple of questions

1533
01:58:12,715 --> 01:58:16,715
asked about if we were gonna get sued if someone was killed by a golf ball,

1534
01:58:17,455 --> 01:58:21,395
looked it up. That being

1535
01:58:21,785 --> 01:58:25,335
said, something else that was brought to my attention

1536
01:58:25,955 --> 01:58:29,835
on several occasions was the opportunity to bring golf back. Not

1537
01:58:30,155 --> 01:58:31,975
for us older people before the children.

1538
01:58:34,455 --> 01:58:38,315
I had a son this year, well last year that was asking me

1539
01:58:38,535 --> 01:58:42,165
about wanting to play golf. We went out to

1540
01:58:42,945 --> 01:58:45,965
the golf course up I 10, we played,

1541
01:58:47,065 --> 01:58:50,845
he enjoyed himself, started asking some constituents and friends

1542
01:58:51,335 --> 01:58:54,805
about their experience. And the one thing that really

1543
01:58:55,505 --> 01:58:58,245
struck a chord with me is how our children are being treated

1544
01:58:59,825 --> 01:59:03,525
on the golf course up the road from us. I don't wanna subject

1545
01:59:04,185 --> 01:59:07,815
my child to that. I don't want to hear of any of our children being

1546
01:59:08,195 --> 01:59:12,165
subjected to that type of treatment. I think we need

1547
01:59:12,405 --> 01:59:14,965
a golf course here. I've listened to the developers,

1548
01:59:16,745 --> 01:59:20,695
trained professionals. Five of the top

1549
01:59:20,975 --> 01:59:24,935
100 golf courses have been, these guys have had

1550
01:59:25,195 --> 01:59:29,085
a part in that. We talk about the image of the city. Rick can

1551
01:59:29,285 --> 01:59:33,235
attest to this. When I got on council, I said, we need to really look at the image of our city.

1552
01:59:34,145 --> 01:59:37,895
people on the outside have a bad, we have a bad reputation

1553
01:59:38,865 --> 01:59:41,965
on the outside. And even with on the inside with misinformation,

1554
01:59:43,635 --> 01:59:47,585
this is an opportunity to bring something new to baytown. We

1555
01:59:47,805 --> 01:59:50,795
say that we are different here in baytown, that we want a better baytown.

1556
01:59:52,195 --> 01:59:55,645
this is something that's new and different that is being

1557
01:59:56,475 --> 02:00:00,325
offered to us. We have an opportunity for development,

1558
02:00:01,865 --> 02:00:05,845
had comments in the paper. I've said it from the beginning. When was the last time

1559
02:00:06,045 --> 02:00:09,325
we had a developer want to come in and do anything south of 1 46?

1560
02:00:10,765 --> 02:00:14,665
I, I can't remember, of a town.

1561
02:00:16,045 --> 02:00:19,865
but we have an opportunity here, and I don't know if we're gonna get that opportunity

1562
02:00:20,515 --> 02:00:22,985
again, talking about working together

1563
02:00:25,805 --> 02:00:29,805
if we can't come to an agreement that if

1564
02:00:30,025 --> 02:00:34,005
it's something that we need, something that people want. It came up in,

1565
02:00:34,805 --> 02:00:38,785
um, some studies some years ago that everyone wanted

1566
02:00:39,105 --> 02:00:43,025
a golf course. When it come to answer the question about taking our time,

1567
02:00:43,355 --> 02:00:45,425
we've been talking about this since november,

1568
02:00:47,465 --> 02:00:51,445
december, january, february, march, april, roughly five or

1569
02:00:51,665 --> 02:00:55,555
six months. I don't think we've taken this, this much time on any topic

1570
02:00:56,095 --> 02:00:59,445
that I can remember since I've been on council except

1571
02:01:00,885 --> 02:01:04,215
the hotel conference center. And this is gonna be a compliment to it. Hopefully

1572
02:01:05,405 --> 02:01:09,135
we can do something to have a golf course open

1573
02:01:09,775 --> 02:01:13,185
that would coincide with the opening of the hotel conference center.

1574
02:01:13,975 --> 02:01:16,345
hopefully we can, um, make that happen.

1575
02:01:18,225 --> 02:01:22,145
I keep hearing the word gimmick being thrown out. So I looked up the definition

1576
02:01:22,665 --> 02:01:25,345
of gimmick. It's a trick to bring attention to.

1577
02:01:28,585 --> 02:01:32,505
I don't believe that we have trained professionals here trying

1578
02:01:32,825 --> 02:01:36,415
to trick us into something new is not always bad.

1579
02:01:37,235 --> 02:01:40,245
I keep hearing about traditional tee boxes,

1580
02:01:41,525 --> 02:01:45,525
fairways greens in a hole. I think that is pretty

1581
02:01:45,885 --> 02:01:49,505
traditional. We also heard tonight, and I've seen it myself,

1582
02:01:50,755 --> 02:01:53,725
when golf started, it was nine hole courses.

1583
02:01:54,995 --> 02:01:58,945
looking at research, it's saying that it's going back to

1584
02:01:59,195 --> 02:02:02,485
less than 18 because people don't want to spend five hours

1585
02:02:03,265 --> 02:02:07,205
on a golf course. They're gonna rate this as an

1586
02:02:07,525 --> 02:02:11,405
18 hole golf course. You don't have to play 18. You can play nine and

1587
02:02:11,565 --> 02:02:15,565
go home. 75 minutes. I can go play

1588
02:02:16,005 --> 02:02:20,005
golf with my children and be back home in the amount of time it would take me to go

1589
02:02:20,125 --> 02:02:23,725
to showbiz and watch a movie. I'm, I like the family

1590
02:02:24,185 --> 02:02:28,165
aspect of this. I really hope that

1591
02:02:28,455 --> 02:02:30,975
we can come to an agreement. I hope that the misinformation,

1592
02:02:32,715 --> 02:02:36,185
um, if it's voted one way or the other would cease.

1593
02:02:37,675 --> 02:02:41,455
that's not what we should be about. And we should really think about our image when

1594
02:02:41,735 --> 02:02:45,695
we're giving misinformation out and, and, and, and we're speaking

1595
02:02:45,875 --> 02:02:49,055
it as a truth. There's a difference between truth and fact.

1596
02:02:50,295 --> 02:02:54,235
a fact is like math two plus two is not going to change. Truth is

1597
02:02:54,735 --> 02:02:58,675
relative to the person and their perception and their opinion. We

1598
02:02:58,895 --> 02:03:02,615
should be speaking facts when we speak about this. Fact is it's gonna cost us $6 million.

1599
02:03:04,445 --> 02:03:08,335
it's a matter of opinion. If you think it's too much. That's something that we've

1600
02:03:08,655 --> 02:03:12,525
been debating. And really, when

1601
02:03:13,115 --> 02:03:16,935
mr. Lester said that we are listening, we are listening,

1602
02:03:17,815 --> 02:03:21,805
I, I applaud us as a council for getting this

1603
02:03:22,095 --> 02:03:25,375
agreement worked out to where it's more favorable

1604
02:03:26,155 --> 02:03:29,495
for the city. I applaud us for that. We've had some tough conversations,

1605
02:03:31,435 --> 02:03:35,255
but we're not separated up here. Once this vote goes through,

1606
02:03:35,455 --> 02:03:39,255
guess what's gonna happen? We're gonna support it 100%. One way or the other.

1607
02:03:42,135 --> 02:03:45,965
I would like to see us come together. That's what I'm

1608
02:03:46,165 --> 02:03:46,345
looking for.

1609
02:03:50,265 --> 02:03:54,055
um, I'm gonna leave that with my comments. Thank

1610
02:03:54,405 --> 02:03:57,005
you for the opportunity, mayor. Thank you councilman councilwoman.

1611
02:03:58,905 --> 02:04:02,705
so for me, the course design's never really been an issue for me. Um,

1612
02:04:03,525 --> 02:04:07,325
I see both sides of it. Um, I could have gone either way with traditional 18

1613
02:04:07,585 --> 02:04:11,245
or this new design. Um, so that, that's

1614
02:04:11,605 --> 02:04:15,395
never really been the deal. Um, for me, the, the deal's always been the details

1615
02:04:16,025 --> 02:04:19,645
of the three 80 agreement. Um, from the beginning,

1616
02:04:20,355 --> 02:04:23,895
I've always thought that the, the 40 year land lease

1617
02:04:24,505 --> 02:04:27,765
and the 20 year tax free was a really excellent incentive

1618
02:04:28,625 --> 02:04:32,525
to build any development. And I was always kind of stumped on why the

1619
02:04:32,745 --> 02:04:36,725
6 million needed to be, um, on top of that and, and something that I

1620
02:04:36,845 --> 02:04:40,525
was always stuck with, um, I had asked from the very beginning

1621
02:04:41,515 --> 02:04:45,405
that we maybe, um, recruit some financial partnership with the

1622
02:04:45,525 --> 02:04:48,915
school district. And the reason for that is because they have always expressed

1623
02:04:49,585 --> 02:04:53,405
to me and others that a golf course is a need for baytown. Whereas

1624
02:04:54,025 --> 02:04:57,985
for us as a city, it's just been a want for our citizens. And so

1625
02:04:58,235 --> 02:05:01,835
when this opportunity came up, I was really hoping that,

1626
02:05:02,265 --> 02:05:06,075
um, this would be, um, a financial partnership with the school district. And I'm very

1627
02:05:06,365 --> 02:05:10,105
disappointed that that couldn't come to fruition by tonight. Um,

1628
02:05:11,705 --> 02:05:15,525
the big thing that I keep hearing over and over is that this isn't about

1629
02:05:15,765 --> 02:05:19,265
a golf course. This is a catalyst or a multiplier effect

1630
02:05:20,345 --> 02:05:23,845
for what was just said could be a hundred million in new development

1631
02:05:24,455 --> 02:05:28,365
south of 1 46. Um, some citizens ask, you

1632
02:05:28,565 --> 02:05:32,235
know, what's in it for us? What's the revenue? Um, if that

1633
02:05:32,905 --> 02:05:36,885
new development was, would come to fruition, that would be, that would be

1634
02:05:37,005 --> 02:05:40,915
the revenue and the properties being developed and the property taxes generated

1635
02:05:41,625 --> 02:05:45,625
and the sales tax. That, that's, that would be the revenue for the city. Um,

1636
02:05:46,265 --> 02:05:49,645
the question is, because none of that new development is in this

1637
02:05:50,325 --> 02:05:54,095
contract. So the question is, is, uh, do we trust

1638
02:05:54,585 --> 02:05:58,365
the developers to deliver what's just a promise?

1639
02:05:59,825 --> 02:06:03,235
um, and do we think that $6 million plus

1640
02:06:03,985 --> 02:06:07,785
the, the other, the land, uh, value is worth that, um,

1641
02:06:08,755 --> 02:06:12,725
that development, if it did come to fruition, if this was

1642
02:06:12,925 --> 02:06:16,345
heather bettencourt $6 million, I would be, I would be all in.

1643
02:06:17,105 --> 02:06:20,885
um, because, um, you know, I don't mind taking that kind of risk.

1644
02:06:21,265 --> 02:06:24,845
and you guys are, are reputable developers. Your resumes and y'all's experience

1645
02:06:25,545 --> 02:06:29,485
is, um, is great. And I'm really disappointed to hear you say,

1646
02:06:29,685 --> 02:06:33,645
if this doesn't pass, that it would kill development by you indefinitely in

1647
02:06:33,805 --> 02:06:37,765
baytown. Because I think you do have a place here, as you can

1648
02:06:37,885 --> 02:06:41,885
see, this particular issue or property is contentious, but there are so many

1649
02:06:42,005 --> 02:06:45,685
other opportunities in case this doesn't go through. So I hope you would

1650
02:06:46,045 --> 02:06:49,925
reconsider that. If it doesn't, um, it, like

1651
02:06:50,245 --> 02:06:54,145
I said, if this was my money, it'd probably be no brainer when it's other people's money. Um,

1652
02:06:54,485 --> 02:06:58,485
I have to take a second look at it. And, and what I'm voting on is what

1653
02:06:58,725 --> 02:07:01,805
is in this three 80 agreement. And, and all it is is the golf course.

1654
02:07:03,105 --> 02:07:07,005
um, the last thing I just wanted to mention, mayor, was how disappointed

1655
02:07:07,685 --> 02:07:11,565
I am in the amount of misinformation that was put out there

1656
02:07:11,975 --> 02:07:15,665
about this entire experience. Um, there were rumors,

1657
02:07:16,475 --> 02:07:19,795
innuendos, and flat out lies passed out as fact.

1658
02:07:20,825 --> 02:07:24,765
um, I have to say that I am fully confident in the rfp

1659
02:07:25,245 --> 02:07:29,205
process for this. And I have, uh, no doubt

1660
02:07:29,445 --> 02:07:33,345
in my mind that anyone up here is going to

1661
02:07:33,935 --> 02:07:37,845
personally gain from this development whatsoever. And the innuendos

1662
02:07:38,445 --> 02:07:42,255
that we are pushing this through for personal gain is just offensive. Thank

1663
02:07:42,605 --> 02:07:45,535
you. Thank you ma'am. Councilman,

1664
02:07:46,745 --> 02:07:50,295
uh, just wanna thank everyone who came out, uh, to speak tonight. I really do value,

1665
02:07:51,105 --> 02:07:54,565
um, the input from each one of you. Um, got a lot of

1666
02:07:55,175 --> 02:07:59,045
calls and text messages, um, over the last few days. Tried to

1667
02:07:59,205 --> 02:08:03,165
return as much of those as I could. Um, and, but today

1668
02:08:03,725 --> 02:08:07,525
actually I decided to reach out to, I just randomly picked some people who I hadn't

1669
02:08:07,805 --> 02:08:11,665
heard from. 'cause I mean, the folks that are calling me are very passionate one

1670
02:08:11,885 --> 02:08:15,885
way or the other. Right? And I was kind of curious where, um, everyone in the

1671
02:08:16,005 --> 02:08:19,985
middle stood, um, unfortunately about every single one of 'em said, oh, I'm

1672
02:08:20,205 --> 02:08:23,965
on the fence. And I said, well, welcome. It's comfort,

1673
02:08:24,315 --> 02:08:28,245
it's comfortable here. Unfortunately, I have to fall off the fence one way or

1674
02:08:28,325 --> 02:08:31,865
the other. They don't necessarily have to make that decision. So, um, for me,

1675
02:08:33,185 --> 02:08:36,745
um, as far as the, the, the golf course itself,

1676
02:08:37,585 --> 02:08:41,485
um, that was not a, um, you know,

1677
02:08:41,845 --> 02:08:45,465
a make or break type point for me. The, the nine that plays is

1678
02:08:45,885 --> 02:08:49,765
18. Um, I believe in the, in the, the, the folks you've put

1679
02:08:50,045 --> 02:08:54,025
together that have reviewed that, and I, I believe it will work. Um, and

1680
02:08:54,245 --> 02:08:58,155
so for me, the thing that I had to look at was, um, similar

1681
02:08:58,665 --> 02:09:02,345
to what you said, it was just this, this deal that we have in front of us. Um,

1682
02:09:03,505 --> 02:09:07,425
and I do, I do think $6 million is, um,

1683
02:09:08,005 --> 02:09:11,705
a substantial amount of money to, to give out on the front end of

1684
02:09:12,285 --> 02:09:16,145
a contract. You know, most of our three eighties. Um, we have some other way

1685
02:09:16,585 --> 02:09:20,565
to, uh, give that back to developers farther along in the process,

1686
02:09:21,265 --> 02:09:25,125
um, through through sales tax incentives or, or, or something having to do with a

1687
02:09:25,405 --> 02:09:29,395
valorem. Um, and so, uh, and that's, that's what

1688
02:09:29,685 --> 02:09:33,145
I've heard from, from, from uh, residents is they're, um,

1689
02:09:34,825 --> 02:09:38,785
you know, they have hesitation with giving out that much, um,

1690
02:09:40,765 --> 02:09:43,675
that much cash on the front end of this deal on a, um,

1691
02:09:44,975 --> 02:09:48,815
unproven, uh, concept. Whether, whether you believe it's gonna work or

1692
02:09:49,015 --> 02:09:52,335
not, it is the first of its kind. So it is unproven in that regard.

1693
02:09:53,315 --> 02:09:57,235
um, and so I, I think, um, for

1694
02:09:57,455 --> 02:10:01,375
me, uh, there was a, um, a pastor, uh, that I had once who actually lived

1695
02:10:01,555 --> 02:10:05,175
in evergreen fairways. Uh, he, he would always say, you can't wanna do something

1696
02:10:06,035 --> 02:10:09,975
so badly that you do it badly. Um, and I, and I'm, so, I I

1697
02:10:10,095 --> 02:10:13,975
think we have, this has moved very quickly. Um, I mean, up to tonight

1698
02:10:14,335 --> 02:10:18,115
we're still talking about little tweaks in the lease. And so,

1699
02:10:18,515 --> 02:10:22,295
um, you know, for me, uh, it's just,

1700
02:10:22,855 --> 02:10:26,345
I think this is a bit fast and, and there is still more discussion

1701
02:10:27,015 --> 02:10:30,245
we could have to make this a better deal for the city. Okay.

1702
02:10:32,045 --> 02:10:36,025
alright. So obviously we've heard from many of our citizens, and for me, uh,

1703
02:10:36,245 --> 02:10:39,605
I'll, I'll take a little bit, maybe a broader perspective and certainly,

1704
02:10:40,305 --> 02:10:44,085
uh, more of a, a legacy in a sense from cradle to grave.

1705
02:10:44,425 --> 02:10:47,885
so, you know, I've been here for quite a while in a sense where

1706
02:10:49,105 --> 02:10:52,745
the, at least a since the, uh, the golf field that took place, uh,

1707
02:10:53,205 --> 02:10:57,205
a few years ago, so many in your room in the room here have been contacting

1708
02:10:57,765 --> 02:11:01,645
me for years. And it's really on two on two things that

1709
02:11:01,845 --> 02:11:05,685
I'll discuss. One, golf, once we didn't,

1710
02:11:06,025 --> 02:11:09,445
you know, at one time we've had two golf courses, 18 hole traditional courses.

1711
02:11:10,425 --> 02:11:13,805
it was great. And I'm sure in the heyday it was, it was awesome and it was well played.

1712
02:11:14,755 --> 02:11:18,605
however, we don't have any today.

1713
02:11:19,045 --> 02:11:22,795
there is zero golf in baytown right now. It doesn't matter if it's nine hole,

1714
02:11:23,315 --> 02:11:26,425
18 hole, 36 hole, you name it. Not one golf

1715
02:11:28,405 --> 02:11:32,215
round today. So for years, people like chat and

1716
02:11:32,435 --> 02:11:36,365
others have, we've had, I don't know, maybe spent 40

1717
02:11:36,715 --> 02:11:40,595
hours on the phone talking about golf chat and, and all that. And

1718
02:11:40,825 --> 02:11:44,315
what are you gonna do, mayor, to bring golf back to baytown? What can I do to help you?

1719
02:11:45,045 --> 02:11:48,915
right? I've heard it from many, many folks, uh, on both

1720
02:11:49,075 --> 02:11:52,275
sides of this issue, to tell you the truth, right? Golf is an amenity.

1721
02:11:53,195 --> 02:11:57,075
I believe that a city our size, we should have, there's, and I think everybody

1722
02:11:57,395 --> 02:12:01,135
in the room seems to have expressed that there's no doubt, you know, mr. Walters,

1723
02:12:01,875 --> 02:12:05,675
you're in real estate. You understand that an amenity, even if you don't play golf,

1724
02:12:06,135 --> 02:12:09,545
brings value. It brings value to evergreen

1725
02:12:10,155 --> 02:12:14,075
fairways, it brings value to the south, south side of town and it brings value to our

1726
02:12:14,275 --> 02:12:18,255
entire community. And so, um, I will tell you, uh,

1727
02:12:18,905 --> 02:12:22,725
golfers that have been been calling me for years about mayor,

1728
02:12:23,425 --> 02:12:27,345
what, what will it take to bring back golf? What I have told them repeatedly, because

1729
02:12:27,975 --> 02:12:31,685
the hyatt regency was on the hills, right? The convention center hyatt.

1730
02:12:32,455 --> 02:12:36,315
and to compliment that, to add an amenity for those individuals that are gonna stay

1731
02:12:36,895 --> 02:12:40,875
at the hyatt regency in baylor island, they need somewhere to go. They may come in here and

1732
02:12:41,035 --> 02:12:44,335
have a half a day, whatever the case may be. Uh,

1733
02:12:45,795 --> 02:12:49,545
offering the amenity of golf nearby is, I think, very

1734
02:12:49,835 --> 02:12:53,785
much needed. And I think we all can agree on that. So what

1735
02:12:54,075 --> 02:12:57,795
has taken place though is, and what I've told these guys said, after we break ground

1736
02:12:58,135 --> 02:13:01,915
on the height regency, let's talk golf, because I believe it's a game changer,

1737
02:13:02,625 --> 02:13:05,635
okay? What has occurred was, in last november,

1738
02:13:06,715 --> 02:13:10,275
a developer came forth with a concept when they toured our city,

1739
02:13:11,015 --> 02:13:14,655
as is expressed by ms. Alvarado and, and others, that throughout the years is

1740
02:13:15,145 --> 02:13:18,995
baytown. We do not take advantage and we have not taken advantage of our water frontage.

1741
02:13:19,735 --> 02:13:23,435
we just haven't. And now there's an opportunity in front of us from these developers

1742
02:13:24,185 --> 02:13:28,175
that were able to see something that either we haven't seen ourselves, or

1743
02:13:28,635 --> 02:13:32,485
whatever the case may be. They, they go, they see this water frontage along the bay

1744
02:13:32,685 --> 02:13:36,645
there, along galveston bay, along evergreen. And it is true. There is no doubt. It is a

1745
02:13:36,765 --> 02:13:40,605
beautiful neighborhood. I considered moving there myself. Uh, still may, who

1746
02:13:40,805 --> 02:13:44,725
knows. But I will tell you that, uh, when it comes to golf,

1747
02:13:45,385 --> 02:13:49,245
I'm not gonna sit here and debate what nine holes looks like and what 18 holes

1748
02:13:49,485 --> 02:13:53,325
look like. At the end of the day, it's grass and sand and bunkers and all that.

1749
02:13:53,925 --> 02:13:57,835
I leave that up to the, to the experts. Not these two guys, but the folks that,

1750
02:13:58,125 --> 02:14:02,085
that, that were on the call earlier, um, to go and hear that

1751
02:14:02,285 --> 02:14:05,605
this would be a sanctioned 18 hole golf course, usga,

1752
02:14:07,025 --> 02:14:10,805
you know, sanctioned, that we could have that, that means something to me. It may not mean something

1753
02:14:11,045 --> 02:14:14,925
to you, it means something to me. And, uh, a lot of you, I look,

1754
02:14:15,205 --> 02:14:19,185
I can look at the list right here. I mean, a majority, obviously, you live on evergreen, and

1755
02:14:19,475 --> 02:14:23,115
I've talked to many of you, I've talked to the president of hoa and y'all had a, y'all's

1756
02:14:23,605 --> 02:14:27,085
biggest concern was the fact that y'all were told multi-family

1757
02:14:27,895 --> 02:14:31,525
apartments were gonna come right in front of your neighborhood. And we, we went,

1758
02:14:31,945 --> 02:14:35,755
it was misinformation, it was disseminated, and it was wrong, okay?

1759
02:14:36,265 --> 02:14:40,215
and there's many things that have been said and, and printed in the local paper.

1760
02:14:40,945 --> 02:14:44,555
and it's just really, it's, it's disturbing. And, um, anybody

1761
02:14:45,225 --> 02:14:49,205
who goes and operates irresponsibly like that, um, certainly has certainly

1762
02:14:49,725 --> 02:14:53,665
lost my respect. But I still have to go and govern as

1763
02:14:53,885 --> 02:14:57,825
a mayor and look at everything that y'all have told me throughout the years. So what happens? So

1764
02:14:58,045 --> 02:15:01,905
we have golf now, or we have golf. We have a proposal here for

1765
02:15:02,365 --> 02:15:06,325
somebody that looked at the acreage. I believe they looked at one 17, I think the footprint's

1766
02:15:06,805 --> 02:15:10,125
one 105. And they went and put their, put their experts

1767
02:15:10,845 --> 02:15:14,625
together, people who have developed courses like tory pines, and

1768
02:15:15,045 --> 02:15:19,005
I think four of the top 200 golf courses in the world. That is the

1769
02:15:19,085 --> 02:15:22,685
team that we're looking at. So, I do value a lot of your opinion as citizens

1770
02:15:23,105 --> 02:15:26,915
on everything. There's people in this room, the mike wilson's, everybody. I lean

1771
02:15:27,205 --> 02:15:31,145
on y'all for advice on how do we progress our city, right? And

1772
02:15:31,365 --> 02:15:34,965
you give me the advice, and I value it. I value, even if I disagree with it, I do value it.

1773
02:15:35,385 --> 02:15:39,285
but I gotta rely on the experts when it comes to anything and any decision that

1774
02:15:39,445 --> 02:15:43,305
I make. And so, when I hear people of

1775
02:15:43,525 --> 02:15:47,405
the magnitude that, that these guys put the team, a team together, when it comes to the number

1776
02:15:47,665 --> 02:15:51,525
one, uh, you know, developer in texas for golf, that means

1777
02:15:51,765 --> 02:15:55,645
something to me in a decision making authority. Okay? And it should mean something to you.

1778
02:15:57,025 --> 02:16:01,005
so we'll put golf aside, 'cause we have to talk about the rest of the

1779
02:16:01,165 --> 02:16:04,705
picture. I think we solve and mitigated the issue with, um,

1780
02:16:05,255 --> 02:16:08,925
apartments that are gonna, that are not gonna come to, uh, evergreen fairways.

1781
02:16:09,585 --> 02:16:13,365
the, the entire 12 and a half acres is taken out of the agreement. And the city,

1782
02:16:13,945 --> 02:16:17,745
as it was expressed by count, councilman lester, that is our responsibility. And

1783
02:16:17,965 --> 02:16:21,965
it, it, there is no development, uh, in its future. I mean, who knows, but

1784
02:16:22,145 --> 02:16:25,845
I'm just gonna say nothing from what we're talking about today. And so

1785
02:16:26,765 --> 02:16:30,485
I asked myself, okay, let's look at the bigger picture. And I've said it before,

1786
02:16:31,355 --> 02:16:35,205
this is more than golf. And it is, okay, when it, when

1787
02:16:35,445 --> 02:16:39,345
we go and, and I have, um, had many conversations. So as

1788
02:16:39,565 --> 02:16:42,845
councilman lester, so as councilman johnson and, and others, if they've had conversations,

1789
02:16:44,065 --> 02:16:48,025
uh, I've visited this individual, uh, david henkel, uh, uh,

1790
02:16:48,305 --> 02:16:52,085
retail center in oklahoma city. And there's a lot of great, great things

1791
02:16:52,325 --> 02:16:56,165
that can come to baytown. That's the other side of this. For years,

1792
02:16:57,605 --> 02:17:01,445
I have councilmen out there. Uh, I have, uh, councilman hoskins and

1793
02:17:01,665 --> 02:17:05,095
hessel and mccartney, if he's still here. I have, uh, former mayor

1794
02:17:05,805 --> 02:17:09,235
minger for years. The one thing we hear all the time, besides

1795
02:17:10,185 --> 02:17:14,005
what's gonna happen with the mall, is why can't we have this? And why can't

1796
02:17:14,285 --> 02:17:17,965
we have that? Why don't we have one of these things? Why don't we have one of those things?

1797
02:17:18,745 --> 02:17:21,965
why does, why do these things develop not here in baytown?

1798
02:17:22,825 --> 02:17:26,645
and sometimes I think it's 'cause well, one, nobody's been knocking on our door.

1799
02:17:27,305 --> 02:17:31,065
that's just the truth. The other reason is, are we able, as

1800
02:17:31,325 --> 02:17:35,305
a council and as a community be, are we able to be innovative, to

1801
02:17:35,545 --> 02:17:39,525
go and really be a community that can welcome when good developers come knocking

1802
02:17:39,645 --> 02:17:43,285
at your door? And I believe these two definitely are, are we able

1803
02:17:43,665 --> 02:17:47,245
to go put aside our personal purposes on how we pray, play golf?

1804
02:17:48,145 --> 02:17:51,325
are we able to really, really wrap our mind around and listen to the experts

1805
02:17:52,295 --> 02:17:55,525
value our citizens and move forward with something? And for me,

1806
02:17:56,685 --> 02:18:00,605
I believe, and I have to trust, I wish we could, if I, believe me, I tried. If I can

1807
02:18:00,765 --> 02:18:04,645
go and say, david henkel, I want you to guarantee me this, that, and the other,

1808
02:18:05,345 --> 02:18:09,005
and a hundred million dollars development, I would love to put that in a contract. But unfortunately,

1809
02:18:09,445 --> 02:18:13,355
that's just not how it works. Okay? And so when people tell

1810
02:18:13,645 --> 02:18:17,645
me, why don't we have this? And why don't we have that? It's because people haven't been knocking

1811
02:18:17,725 --> 02:18:21,555
on our door or the people. We have people knocking on our door, but they don't have the resources. Okay?

1812
02:18:22,305 --> 02:18:26,245
so when I look at all these pieces of the puzzle that could really progress

1813
02:18:26,435 --> 02:18:30,345
baytown of where, what we really think our city wants to be like when it comes to

1814
02:18:30,745 --> 02:18:34,695
retail and entertainment and food and beverage and all the neat things. These

1815
02:18:35,045 --> 02:18:38,805
are some of the guys, I can't say they can make it all happen. Uh, I have trust that

1816
02:18:39,125 --> 02:18:42,925
they can make some of it happen. And I think you'll be very happy and rewarded with that.

1817
02:18:43,505 --> 02:18:47,245
um, I do wanna respect all the, the individuals that live in evergreen. I've been very protective

1818
02:18:47,725 --> 02:18:51,665
of them along with councilman lester encroachment and, and, and

1819
02:18:51,885 --> 02:18:55,805
obviously the, uh, the, uh, the beautiful serene surroundings. That is

1820
02:18:55,925 --> 02:18:59,625
something we still wanna respect. But it was a golf course there before and everybody seemed

1821
02:19:00,045 --> 02:19:03,765
to be happy then. A lot of people. And, and actually

1822
02:19:04,085 --> 02:19:08,065
recently a personally, a personal friend of mine moved there 'cause he was hoping golf would return. And

1823
02:19:08,285 --> 02:19:12,265
so I did. I hear, I have heard a lot of those calls from the individuals in,

1824
02:19:12,485 --> 02:19:16,275
uh, in the area. I will tell you what, I've actually also

1825
02:19:16,625 --> 02:19:20,565
had a lot of calls on, uh, especially on that side of town. And I think that's what councilwoman

1826
02:19:21,485 --> 02:19:25,465
alvarado mentioned. Uh, people along the alexander corridor off

1827
02:19:25,685 --> 02:19:29,175
of ward road in eva, maud in plumwood, all those areas,

1828
02:19:30,105 --> 02:19:33,815
uh, it's about, and, and roseland, uh, they're all like, why can't

1829
02:19:34,165 --> 02:19:38,085
we get something here on alexander? Why don't, why do we

1830
02:19:38,265 --> 02:19:41,885
get nothing that travels here? Why don't people look here? And I could tell you this, council

1831
02:19:42,345 --> 02:19:46,325
and administration, you've seen a little bit of improvement. Sidewalks and

1832
02:19:46,605 --> 02:19:50,285
painting and, and that, and ward road is, uh, yeah, ward road has just recently been,

1833
02:19:50,745 --> 02:19:54,285
uh, kind of been redeveloped. And we're hoping, we're hoping that with 99

1834
02:19:55,135 --> 02:19:59,075
hyatt regency and people like this and a golf course will

1835
02:19:59,365 --> 02:20:02,665
make things, those things happen. Um, fiscal responsibility.

1836
02:20:03,625 --> 02:20:07,165
you know, mr. Beck, I, I, you and I, we go round and round all the time about fiscal responsibility.

1837
02:20:07,885 --> 02:20:11,805
there's no doubt. You know, we may not share the same perspective of what that looks like, but I

1838
02:20:11,925 --> 02:20:15,805
could tell you this, this is what I do know. I know. Um, I mean, we did

1839
02:20:15,965 --> 02:20:19,485
have mayor manager, he did present some options on possible stuff on, on paper.

1840
02:20:20,145 --> 02:20:24,045
but I have to listen to experts at the end of the day, what it didn't say in there, and I'm

1841
02:20:24,245 --> 02:20:28,085
gonna tell you, I'm gonna make a statement that I can't believe I'm gonna, that, that I'm gonna make.

1842
02:20:28,625 --> 02:20:32,555
but I came to this realization recently was I'm actually glad that

1843
02:20:33,265 --> 02:20:37,065
the, the vote that took place a few years ago about an 18 hole golf course, I'm

1844
02:20:37,285 --> 02:20:41,085
glad that it felt, and I'm gonna tell you why, because I believe

1845
02:20:41,365 --> 02:20:44,925
this is actually a better product at the end of the day

1846
02:20:45,585 --> 02:20:49,555
for the height regency for our citizens. It's a sanctioned course. It's

1847
02:20:50,005 --> 02:20:53,765
18 holes, regardless if it's what you may see as 18 holes. But I guarantee you

1848
02:20:54,195 --> 02:20:57,325
that these guys have run all the numbers and analysis. It's not our course.

1849
02:20:58,265 --> 02:21:02,085
and that's what's good about it. It's a public course and a municipal property.

1850
02:21:02,625 --> 02:21:06,285
but at the end of the day, these guys are on the hook for that, uh, maintenance

1851
02:21:06,845 --> 02:21:10,845
and operations. And I'm gonna tell you that if you want 18 hole golf, then we're gonna have to go

1852
02:21:11,225 --> 02:21:14,525
and do a lot of more digging and some deep pockets that we don't have right now for this particular

1853
02:21:15,355 --> 02:21:19,235
type of amenity that we all want. There's not, the land doesn't

1854
02:21:19,725 --> 02:21:23,605
matter, but there's been statements about land and all this magic land that exists. But if you go look

1855
02:21:23,765 --> 02:21:27,665
on maps other than a beach, there is not land to go and

1856
02:21:27,945 --> 02:21:31,905
put 18 holes on. These guys went and recruited the experts to

1857
02:21:32,125 --> 02:21:35,945
do the best they can to give us a sanction 18 hole golf course on

1858
02:21:36,205 --> 02:21:40,085
105 acres or whatever it may be. And that's the reality that we gotta

1859
02:21:40,245 --> 02:21:43,745
look at. Okay? And that's the reality I have to make a decision on.

1860
02:21:44,345 --> 02:21:48,285
um, I'm hopeful I'm trustful that, that these guys will do what they say. If this

1861
02:21:48,485 --> 02:21:51,785
passes. Um, I, I certainly think baytown is a great place for them to invest.

1862
02:21:52,745 --> 02:21:56,065
uh, but when it comes to the course itself, um,

1863
02:21:57,325 --> 02:22:01,285
I have a lot, I mean, I, the renderings, the renderings have been out there, all the type of golf play. I don't

1864
02:22:01,485 --> 02:22:05,245
think golf balls are gonna rain on our head, but we have to make a decision on really

1865
02:22:05,595 --> 02:22:09,565
what do we wanna look like? And, and, and really the information I have is I

1866
02:22:09,685 --> 02:22:13,565
gotta rely on the experts, uh, to go and move this forward. Um, I

1867
02:22:13,765 --> 02:22:17,725
do appreciate everybody's input and certainly opinion. And I hate that a golf

1868
02:22:17,925 --> 02:22:21,125
course, even even six years ago or seven years ago was divisive.

1869
02:22:22,385 --> 02:22:25,365
why is it that we have to divide our community on something,

1870
02:22:26,465 --> 02:22:30,325
uh, that we should be enjoying, but for some reason we do that.

1871
02:22:30,865 --> 02:22:34,865
um, my, the reason why I made the statement about I'm glad the golf course failed is because the

1872
02:22:35,085 --> 02:22:38,885
operational cost 6 million is all, is a chunk and change, a chunk and change.

1873
02:22:39,105 --> 02:22:43,005
but believe me, it is. But that's nothing compared to if we

1874
02:22:43,125 --> 02:22:46,805
go into an 18 hole course and go and try to operate it with someone else.

1875
02:22:47,685 --> 02:22:51,405
'cause these guys are gonna go away. We will be on the hook for millions of dollars

1876
02:22:51,775 --> 02:22:55,605
every year perpetually, okay? And it's not gonna be anything like

1877
02:22:55,905 --> 02:22:59,405
$6 million. So for me, when I look at it, the investment of $6 million

1878
02:23:00,385 --> 02:23:03,925
for what we get is an amenity and the, and the development that's gonna take place.

1879
02:23:04,685 --> 02:23:08,565
'cause I gotta consider, I have to consider all those things. Chet does not,

1880
02:23:08,845 --> 02:23:12,805
chet wants to play golf, I understand that. But we have to consider all those type of

1881
02:23:12,925 --> 02:23:16,845
things. And I respect you, chet, you know that. But I'm just saying, we, I have, those are the things that's in front of us as a

1882
02:23:16,965 --> 02:23:20,965
council. And so I wish I could share the opportunities of some really

1883
02:23:21,165 --> 02:23:25,085
neat stuff that can come to baytown. I hope that comes to fruition. I really, really do.

1884
02:23:25,605 --> 02:23:29,605
I gotta trust david henkel and, and rio on that. But that's where I'm at.

1885
02:23:29,685 --> 02:23:33,675
that's where I'm at on the decision. It's tough. This is a tough job, believe me. Okay?

1886
02:23:34,025 --> 02:23:37,915
you get dragged through the mud just 'cause you're sitting up here in one of these chairs, okay?

1887
02:23:38,305 --> 02:23:42,165
and so I do appreciate everybody's time this evening. It is late and I, and I think let's,

1888
02:23:42,405 --> 02:23:45,755
it's time to make a decision. So what I'm gonna do, okay,

1889
02:23:50,715 --> 02:23:54,365
what I'm gonna do, unless there's any reason why I think we need to go in executive session,

1890
02:23:56,875 --> 02:24:00,605
okay? If not, then I'm gonna do a roll call vote. I'm gonna start with just, I have one last

1891
02:24:00,925 --> 02:24:04,885
question for the city manager please, or city attorney. One last question, quick question. Sure.

1892
02:24:05,265 --> 02:24:09,215
so just to clarify, so I have asked

1893
02:24:09,495 --> 02:24:13,415
about the patent pending status several times, and I think some folks

1894
02:24:14,245 --> 02:24:18,155
kind of see that as a way to, to maybe catch somebody to

1895
02:24:18,375 --> 02:24:20,335
lie or gig somebody or whatnot. But really,

1896
02:24:22,395 --> 02:24:26,115
you know, , believe it or not, one of the reasons why I ask

1897
02:24:27,435 --> 02:24:29,775
is that if, if we do this product,

1898
02:24:31,515 --> 02:24:35,455
listen, I, I don't have to see it, but has the city attorney or the city

1899
02:24:35,615 --> 02:24:38,925
manager, I I, I wouldn't want the city to have any liability

1900
02:24:40,315 --> 02:24:44,045
for infringement or anything like that. So have, have,

1901
02:24:44,955 --> 02:24:48,575
has the city attorney seen the, the patent application or the patent pending status,

1902
02:24:49,435 --> 02:24:53,395
or has the city manager so that we don't incur any

1903
02:24:53,735 --> 02:24:57,735
potential liability? I have not council member as the city attorney. I have

1904
02:24:57,855 --> 02:25:01,735
not. Well, that

1905
02:25:01,895 --> 02:25:05,785
seems like it could be a problem, mr. Mayor. Uh, we, we, we could incur

1906
02:25:07,465 --> 02:25:11,275
substantial liability if someone else has the patent on the design

1907
02:25:12,825 --> 02:25:16,795
hole. So, okay. So

1908
02:25:16,955 --> 02:25:19,995
for if you, if you're gonna, if you're gonna speak it, you're gonna have to go to the mic though.

1909
02:25:26,795 --> 02:25:29,845
yeah. Since we started on this path, there's been lots of questions about

1910
02:25:31,025 --> 02:25:33,925
the business model and about the intellectual property

1911
02:25:35,145 --> 02:25:39,145
and we've disclosed what we have to

1912
02:25:39,365 --> 02:25:43,185
date. And quite frankly, when you read the newspaper and

1913
02:25:43,405 --> 02:25:47,355
you see quotes out there, I think it's very smart that we have disclosed

1914
02:25:47,995 --> 02:25:51,365
what we have within reason. But the patent process

1915
02:25:53,025 --> 02:25:56,885
and how that impacts disagreement are mutually exclusive

1916
02:25:57,405 --> 02:26:01,315
events. The only way the city could violate a patent is if the city decided

1917
02:26:01,805 --> 02:26:04,945
to build a competing golf course. So

1918
02:26:05,945 --> 02:26:09,765
I'm not sure what you're, you're asking about patent protection, quite frankly,

1919
02:26:10,315 --> 02:26:14,245
it's not relevant okay. To this business transaction. Okay. In your opinion it's not.

1920
02:26:14,325 --> 02:26:17,725
and I just wanna be sure we, we have a duty to do the best we can. And listen,

1921
02:26:18,385 --> 02:26:22,165
you understand it has no relevance to this. No, sir, I don't. Or I wouldn't ask it. Yeah. Well,

1922
02:26:22,445 --> 02:26:26,045
you've asked me three times and I've told you and I just asked you four. Okay, we're gonna move on guys.

1923
02:26:27,425 --> 02:26:31,405
so, so the good thing is on the patent

1924
02:26:31,845 --> 02:26:35,605
I will say this is that that is their worry. If anybody were to go and replicate

1925
02:26:36,605 --> 02:26:40,515
whatever they do, wind up patenting, if it gets patented, I guess then

1926
02:26:40,805 --> 02:26:44,405
that is, that the risk is on them. That has really nothing to, it's irrelevant to the city

1927
02:26:45,025 --> 02:26:48,985
itself. So I that I'm gonna do a roll call vote. I'm gonna start with district six. Uh, uh,

1928
02:26:50,515 --> 02:26:54,345
confirm motion and second. Oh yes, that's right. I guess we do need to do that, right? Alright, let

1929
02:26:54,565 --> 02:26:56,595
me get my agenda here.

1930
02:26:58,985 --> 02:27:02,805
you're right. No, you're right. So it's getting late. So the first item, so we know, yes, it's getting very

1931
02:27:03,045 --> 02:27:06,865
late, um, but I will say we are on item 12 a. So

1932
02:27:07,085 --> 02:27:11,005
the first, the first item that I'll entertain a motion on would be item 12 a consider an

1933
02:27:11,125 --> 02:27:15,125
ordinance authorized in a chapter three 80 economic development agreement for public golf course and golf

1934
02:27:15,285 --> 02:27:19,085
related amenities. S the long term lease of evergreen park, previously located

1935
02:27:19,505 --> 02:27:23,045
at 1530 evergreen road to build baytown one, llc.

1936
02:27:24,225 --> 02:27:28,005
um, I think I, I wanna say a few things on this, if I may. And, and councilman,

1937
02:27:28,405 --> 02:27:32,205
if you can express, um, I, I'm gonna call 'em controls,

1938
02:27:32,825 --> 02:27:36,745
but kind of the things that made this a more equitable type of

1939
02:27:36,965 --> 02:27:40,905
agreement. If, if you don't mind sharing that. Yeah, thank you mayor. Um,

1940
02:27:41,455 --> 02:27:45,435
again, as a couple of my colleagues have, have indicated up here, it's,

1941
02:27:45,725 --> 02:27:49,065
it's been the three 80 agreement all along for me. The, the, the course itself

1942
02:27:50,665 --> 02:27:54,445
not that much. Um, but we've added in a significant number of controls.

1943
02:27:55,145 --> 02:27:59,125
um, one of the things we clarified is to any other amenity other

1944
02:27:59,405 --> 02:28:03,125
than the course that goes in, has to come, it has to be golf related

1945
02:28:03,705 --> 02:28:07,685
or inter golf entertainment related. And we have the ability

1946
02:28:08,225 --> 02:28:12,165
to review and approve that. Now, there's a type timeline

1947
02:28:12,405 --> 02:28:16,325
on that, and I can understand from the developer's point, they bring a concept forward for the few acres

1948
02:28:16,645 --> 02:28:20,405
that are left, that's not part of the course. They want

1949
02:28:20,725 --> 02:28:24,705
a quick turnaround. I got that. So, so that, that's one of those, we,

1950
02:28:25,265 --> 02:28:29,195
um, shorten the valorem from the full 40 to down

1951
02:28:29,485 --> 02:28:33,345
to 20. I've, I've asked the questions of other entities and,

1952
02:28:33,585 --> 02:28:37,325
and 15 to 20 valor for if they build buildings and so forth

1953
02:28:37,665 --> 02:28:41,665
is, is appropriate. I had, uh, clarified and,

1954
02:28:41,905 --> 02:28:45,725
and made sure of that. What happens to those buildings if they build

1955
02:28:45,965 --> 02:28:49,485
something, what happens at the end of the lease and it reverts to the city.

1956
02:28:50,185 --> 02:28:54,085
so there's a lot of comments out there. Well, we're giving it away. We'll never get it back. Now the property belongs

1957
02:28:54,445 --> 02:28:58,245
to the city, will always belong to the city, and if they build something at the end of the lease,

1958
02:28:58,465 --> 02:29:02,395
it belongs to the city. Um, I also asked this evening, what

1959
02:29:02,685 --> 02:29:06,565
if they default, they go outta business, then whatever they build

1960
02:29:06,875 --> 02:29:10,785
belongs to the city so the property doesn't go away. Um,

1961
02:29:12,275 --> 02:29:16,265
what are some of the other, we, we built a significant number of those issues

1962
02:29:16,785 --> 02:29:20,295
in, we were able to carve out the 12 point half, 12.6 acres

1963
02:29:20,935 --> 02:29:24,885
right along evergreen because the, the, the folks out there were concerned about that.

1964
02:29:25,705 --> 02:29:29,645
the developers came forward and said, you know, we really don't have an idea

1965
02:29:29,845 --> 02:29:33,765
what we're gonna do with that yet. And it's kind of, okay then if you don't, we're gonna pull it out. And they

1966
02:29:33,925 --> 02:29:37,845
said that's not an issue for them. So we pulled that out. So there's been progress

1967
02:29:38,225 --> 02:29:42,045
all the way through. And I would agree that when, when we're talking about how we're rushing into

1968
02:29:42,325 --> 02:29:46,325
this, um, I've been around through the city a long time and this

1969
02:29:46,525 --> 02:29:50,305
is probably one of the longest debated, discussed, heated

1970
02:29:51,045 --> 02:29:54,915
arguments in closed door sessions that I've ever been

1971
02:29:55,205 --> 02:29:59,005
aware of. Um, so could we continue this

1972
02:29:59,265 --> 02:30:02,845
and continue to browbeat it down? It, it basically comes down to

1973
02:30:03,385 --> 02:30:07,005
are we gonna do golf or not? And so there's a lot of stuff in the three 80.

1974
02:30:07,835 --> 02:30:11,785
yeah. You know, I'd like to see it better, but at what, at a point in time in

1975
02:30:12,025 --> 02:30:15,905
any negotiation for anything, you've gotta be willing to

1976
02:30:16,995 --> 02:30:20,685
take some and give some. And, and I think the developers have, have, they've

1977
02:30:21,085 --> 02:30:25,085
been real tightlipped on what their, their thoughts and processes are, and I can somewhat understand

1978
02:30:25,565 --> 02:30:29,565
that. But we as a city, the bottom line is do we want to put a

1979
02:30:29,685 --> 02:30:33,545
golf course down there or not? And so that's where we

1980
02:30:33,705 --> 02:30:36,945
are. Alright. So I think we still need a motion

1981
02:30:37,925 --> 02:30:41,905
and, and, and again, up until tonight, and I told folks what I may do

1982
02:30:42,025 --> 02:30:45,665
and what I might do, and I wasn't going to decide upon listening

1983
02:30:46,065 --> 02:30:49,925
to the folks tonight, the discussions that we had, you

1984
02:30:50,145 --> 02:30:53,945
know, the five minute discussion we had in the executive session,

1985
02:30:54,495 --> 02:30:58,415
I'll move that. We approve the current three 80 agreement as discussed in executive

1986
02:30:59,025 --> 02:31:02,905
session. Okay. I think with that one thing, if I may and may be in use to

1987
02:31:03,065 --> 02:31:06,725
them, um, I don't think he touched on it. So this course is

1988
02:31:07,525 --> 02:31:11,285
6,210 yards. Correct. Uh,

1989
02:31:11,685 --> 02:31:15,495
one control that, that we were looking at because there was information,

1990
02:31:16,325 --> 02:31:20,185
you know, that this course can be a putt putt golf course, whatever the case may be. So

1991
02:31:20,405 --> 02:31:24,285
there was one provision that we were looking at to entertain, um, uh, a

1992
02:31:24,615 --> 02:31:28,445
could not be reduced more than 10%. We just kind of just came up with a 10% clause.

1993
02:31:29,305 --> 02:31:33,195
um, we can either shrink that or just put a period that you could not reduce this

1994
02:31:33,755 --> 02:31:37,725
less than 6,210 yards. I hate to do this on the dice, but

1995
02:31:37,885 --> 02:31:41,605
is that something that would be acceptable to you? Absolutely. The last thing we wanna do is reduce,

1996
02:31:42,715 --> 02:31:46,665
well, I figured that, but we were trying to add absolutely some brackets and controls. So,

1997
02:31:47,105 --> 02:31:50,945
so that's good. So, um, I would say your, just so you'll know, the, the

1998
02:31:51,275 --> 02:31:55,165
agreement would include, or at least on operation would include the, it would be that

1999
02:31:55,425 --> 02:31:59,365
it would be 6,210 yards no less. So this

2000
02:31:59,605 --> 02:32:03,425
could never be reduced. I think additionally there, I wanna let, I want everybody to

2001
02:32:03,645 --> 02:32:07,465
know what's taking place was also, um, we

2002
02:32:07,685 --> 02:32:11,605
want to, we wanna put some kind of some performance metrics or at least some measures in a sense where,

2003
02:32:12,585 --> 02:32:16,465
um, after five years of, of, of operation, we

2004
02:32:16,685 --> 02:32:20,485
will average that, uh, round of golf, uh, play

2005
02:32:20,875 --> 02:32:24,695
in a sense yearly, we'll come up with an average, let's say it's 500,

2006
02:32:25,835 --> 02:32:29,705
any, any subsequent year following that, what will trigger something

2007
02:32:30,285 --> 02:32:33,985
to, to kind of revisit with them to, to go and, and mitigate why are they're not promoting

2008
02:32:34,385 --> 02:32:37,265
the course, whatever the case may be. It could never fall below 50%

2009
02:32:38,725 --> 02:32:42,585
of, of whatever that five year average was. So we're, we, were trying to put everything

2010
02:32:42,985 --> 02:32:46,785
we could in play that would go and add control to make sure that, that these guys,

2011
02:32:47,445 --> 02:32:51,345
um, are being held accountable for, uh, a, a golf course, 18 hole

2012
02:32:51,505 --> 02:32:55,445
golf course. It can't be reduced. It couldn't get enc encroached in our, in

2013
02:32:55,665 --> 02:32:59,545
our neighborhood. So those are a lot of the things that, that were included in that. So there is a motion.

2014
02:32:59,685 --> 02:33:03,485
do I hear a second? Second. I have a motion and a second. Any

2015
02:33:03,705 --> 02:33:07,685
additional question of comments on, uh, item 12 a? If not, uh,

2016
02:33:07,905 --> 02:33:11,725
we'll do a show of hands, um, or we'll do a roll call vote. I'm

2017
02:33:11,945 --> 02:33:14,485
gonna start with councilman lester in district six.

2018
02:33:16,045 --> 02:33:19,245
aye. All right. Uh, I'll go back to district one.

2019
02:33:20,445 --> 02:33:23,085
aye. Uh, district two nay.

2020
02:33:25,265 --> 02:33:28,045
district three aye. District four nay,

2021
02:33:29,385 --> 02:33:32,525
district five nay, and myself is a yes.

2022
02:33:33,405 --> 02:33:37,225
so item 12 a does pass and we move on to item 12

2023
02:33:37,665 --> 02:33:41,625
b. Consider an ordinance accepting, uh, the bid of miramar properties llc

2024
02:33:42,065 --> 02:33:46,025
and authorizing the lease of approximately 117 acres of land situated

2025
02:33:46,145 --> 02:33:49,985
in the williams caught lower league abstract number 65, harris county, texas

2026
02:33:50,645 --> 02:33:54,265
to build baytown one llc for the development and operation of a public golf course.

2027
02:33:54,805 --> 02:33:57,355
so I'd entertain a motion for item 12 b. Councilman

2028
02:33:59,535 --> 02:34:03,345
move to approve 12 b. Second motion. Second. Yes sir. For a moment to

2029
02:34:03,545 --> 02:34:07,465
clarify that motion is for the reduced amount, not the one that was in the record, but one,

2030
02:34:07,625 --> 02:34:11,315
it was just information. Yes. Alright. Okay. So obviously whatever agreement would

2031
02:34:11,665 --> 02:34:13,625
reflect that that yard at 6,210.

2032
02:34:15,815 --> 02:34:19,745
okay. So we have a motion to second any additional questions or comments, if

2033
02:34:19,965 --> 02:34:23,925
not all those in favor of well, I'll just do a roll call, vote again. Uh, we'll start with district six

2034
02:34:24,125 --> 02:34:27,905
again. Aye. District one, aye. District two

2035
02:34:28,625 --> 02:34:32,245
nay. District three. Aye. District four,

2036
02:34:32,745 --> 02:34:36,565
nay five, nay and myself is a yes. Item 12

2037
02:34:37,085 --> 02:34:40,965
b does carry. So we do appreciate everyone for coming out this evening. Uh, we

2038
02:34:41,165 --> 02:34:44,225
do have some more business to take care of. If you want to sit here and

2039
02:34:45,185 --> 02:34:48,835
do consent agenda with us, you can. Alright.

2040
02:34:54,425 --> 02:34:55,885
so we have item four a.

2041
02:34:59,505 --> 02:35:03,405
we have to conduct a second hearing. We gotta go

2042
02:35:03,605 --> 02:35:03,765
to the hearing.

2043
02:35:08,345 --> 02:35:12,065
yes. We did the resolution or did we? Yes.

2044
02:35:13,755 --> 02:35:17,565
okay. Yes, yes, we did the three a. Recognize that we're on four and yeah, we

2045
02:35:17,965 --> 02:35:21,625
recognize. Does anybody need a recess for three minutes or something for

2046
02:35:22,165 --> 02:35:25,645
bathroom break or not? No, I'm okay chris. No, I'm good. It went away, believe it or not.

2047
02:35:26,355 --> 02:35:30,295
well, I don't know where it went, but, okay. Alright. Well maybe,

2048
02:35:32,945 --> 02:35:36,745
nah, just went away. I don't have to go. It don't just, he went away. My

2049
02:35:36,965 --> 02:35:40,795
son used to say that. Alright, let's move forward guys. Alright, we have item four a. It's,

2050
02:35:41,085 --> 02:35:44,925
uh, conducted a second public hearing regarding the proposed annexation appro, approximately be quiet, 18.9,

2051
02:35:45,385 --> 02:35:49,205
uh, 18.95 acres of privately owned land located generally south

2052
02:35:49,485 --> 02:35:53,165
of I 10 and east of thompson road. So, uh, yes sir, go ahead.

2053
02:35:55,465 --> 02:35:59,445
as you know, this came before you already, this had our first public hearing last month.

2054
02:36:00,225 --> 02:36:04,025
uh, this is 19 acres at I 10 and thompson road. Uh, it

2055
02:36:04,245 --> 02:36:07,245
is also going through the rezone process to, uh, light industrial.

2056
02:36:08,425 --> 02:36:11,995
um, so this part of the process is just par for the course. Alright.

2057
02:36:12,745 --> 02:36:16,565
ah, no pun intended. Alright, so let me read this public hearing for today is being held for

2058
02:36:16,765 --> 02:36:20,685
the purpose of giving all interested persons the right to express their views regarding the subject of this public

2059
02:36:20,845 --> 02:36:24,645
hearing. Everyone desired to be a part of today's hearing. Should it be either signed the appropriate list in the foyer

2060
02:36:24,925 --> 02:36:28,325
or emailed the city clerk prior to the posted time of this meeting. Each participant

2061
02:36:29,295 --> 02:36:32,855
shall give his or her name and address in order to provide a proper record of this hearing. The rules allow,

2062
02:36:33,425 --> 02:36:37,365
uh, each person three minutes to present information. However, I encourage everyone to be as

2063
02:36:37,525 --> 02:36:41,345
brief and to the point as possible. If you are a group of persons wishing to address the council on

2064
02:36:41,565 --> 02:36:45,525
this same subject, please select a spokesperson to present the information. And if anyone

2065
02:36:45,785 --> 02:36:49,705
has any questions, please direct 'em to me. So it is now ten forty two. So

2066
02:36:49,925 --> 02:36:53,845
I now call this, uh, uh, second public hearing, uh, regarding the

2067
02:36:54,085 --> 02:36:57,965
proposed annexation of the land. I did describe to order, uh, if the subject matter has

2068
02:36:58,165 --> 02:37:02,065
been summarized by staff. I believe there is one person that is, that has signed up to speak. Mr.

2069
02:37:02,825 --> 02:37:06,445
tus, I'm assuming you do not want to speak. I know

2070
02:37:06,845 --> 02:37:10,505
, I'll tell you what anyway,

2071
02:37:10,925 --> 02:37:14,805
but I do appreciate it. I'll tell you what, you're a trooper. Alright, so, uh, there being

2072
02:37:15,045 --> 02:37:18,465
no one else desiring to speak, it is now 10 42 still, uh, pm

2073
02:37:19,225 --> 02:37:23,205
uh, and I close the second public hearing regarding the proposed annexation of the land that I did

2074
02:37:23,365 --> 02:37:27,045
described. So we move on, on to item five

2075
02:37:27,405 --> 02:37:31,205
a consider resolution to establish, uh, a city baytown naming policy for city

2076
02:37:31,445 --> 02:37:35,425
parks, roadways, trails, and facilities. For this, I'm gonna move, uh, if

2077
02:37:35,645 --> 02:37:39,625
I can, if I can get a motion to table this item to a future agenda, that'd

2078
02:37:40,045 --> 02:37:42,455
be great. Move to table this item to april 24th.

2079
02:37:44,065 --> 02:37:47,795
second. Second. 28th. 28th. 28th. Yeah. 28th, second. Okay,

2080
02:37:48,145 --> 02:37:52,125
we have a motion to second to table, uh, item five, eight to april 28th. I will

2081
02:37:52,285 --> 02:37:55,565
say, uh, only comment I'll make on this, I think this item that we will have some good discussion.

2082
02:37:56,585 --> 02:38:00,525
uh, and so obviously, uh, moving it beyond tonight, I appreciate the feedback

2083
02:38:00,645 --> 02:38:04,565
that I've received from you all. I know we're having some so much fun guys, but let's just move forward. Thank

2084
02:38:04,765 --> 02:38:08,445
you. Yes. We have a motion to second on item five a to the table.

2085
02:38:08,835 --> 02:38:12,645
yeah, yeah, we we got that. Did we get a second? Yes, I made a second.

2086
02:38:12,905 --> 02:38:16,805
oh, did, okay. Thank you. Alright, motion second, uh, for table. So all those in favor of table

2087
02:38:17,195 --> 02:38:21,085
tabling item five a please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed discussions, receive and

2088
02:38:21,205 --> 02:38:25,005
discuss a presentation of the comprehensive plan 2040. That is not gonna happen tonight

2089
02:38:25,285 --> 02:38:28,965
on that on united. So, so I, I would, I would like to,

2090
02:38:29,505 --> 02:38:33,445
um, just meredith dang from our consultant, this is the

2091
02:38:33,605 --> 02:38:37,485
second time we've made her sit for hours and not oh, you're another trooper. So I'd

2092
02:38:37,685 --> 02:38:41,565
like to, let's do respectfully request that we give her 15 minutes to just go ahead

2093
02:38:41,765 --> 02:38:45,485
and give you what we got. Okay. If that'd be all right. Well, I, yes. 'cause you're here.

2094
02:38:46,345 --> 02:38:49,785
I'm gonna, if that's the case, I'm gonna ask for a three minute recess, or,

2095
02:38:50,385 --> 02:38:54,285
or you can go ahead and give it. And chris, if you can come here, sit there and I'll be right

2096
02:38:54,445 --> 02:38:58,425
back. Okay. I'll sit here. Okay, we're good? Yes, sir. You

2097
02:38:58,645 --> 02:39:02,485
got 15 minutes. I'll be back 15 minutes. So, well, well, I'll, I'll give meredith

2098
02:39:02,805 --> 02:39:06,475
a quick intro only to say that, um, remember that

2099
02:39:06,865 --> 02:39:10,485
as the comprehensive plan, um, we, we just wanna make sure

2100
02:39:10,955 --> 02:39:14,925
that this is basically the quick intro to say over the next month or so

2101
02:39:15,125 --> 02:39:18,885
before we bring this back for adoption. We wanna make sure that you understand

2102
02:39:19,285 --> 02:39:22,885
kind of how it's, uh, how it's organized, how it got to where we're at,

2103
02:39:23,585 --> 02:39:27,385
and that we really want everybody, uh, to, to take some time and,

2104
02:39:27,665 --> 02:39:31,565
and go over the document as it is. Um, if you have any questions,

2105
02:39:31,765 --> 02:39:35,565
obviously staff is, is easily available for this. Um, we'd also

2106
02:39:35,805 --> 02:39:39,725
like to offer if anybody would like, um, some one-on-one time to go through the

2107
02:39:40,085 --> 02:39:44,045
document. Again, it is a big document, but we feel it's important enough that it warrants

2108
02:39:44,405 --> 02:39:48,325
that kind of attention. Um, and, uh, remember we only get

2109
02:39:48,485 --> 02:39:52,485
to do this every few years and it is an important document. We wanna make sure

2110
02:39:52,645 --> 02:39:56,285
that it jives with everything that, that you guys have set forth, everything

2111
02:39:56,925 --> 02:40:00,725
that's in the strategic plan for the next five years. And, um, everything that's

2112
02:40:01,045 --> 02:40:04,485
in all the other related plans. Remember we just did a parks plan last year that was

2113
02:40:05,185 --> 02:40:09,125
600 pages or something like that. Um, so we, we wanna make sure that everything fits

2114
02:40:09,645 --> 02:40:11,805
together. So with that, I won't take any more of meredith's time.

2115
02:40:14,545 --> 02:40:18,485
all right. Good evening. It's a pleasure to join you. Uh, can I get

2116
02:40:18,645 --> 02:40:22,525
my presentation second? And I will try to make it

2117
02:40:22,705 --> 02:40:25,885
way quicker than 18 minutes because I know it's, uh, very late.

2118
02:40:27,075 --> 02:40:29,245
it's a bf thank you for hanging out. There you go.

2119
02:40:31,225 --> 02:40:34,965
all right, so my name is meredith dang. Again,

2120
02:40:35,265 --> 02:40:38,845
I'm the practice leader of community planning at ken keys collaborative, and we've been assisting

2121
02:40:39,285 --> 02:40:41,555
the city on developing the comprehensive plan.

2122
02:40:43,835 --> 02:40:47,235
okay, let's get through that. So the comprehensive plan is a 20 year

2123
02:40:48,035 --> 02:40:52,025
long range plan. So we're looking out to the year 2040. It touches on

2124
02:40:52,275 --> 02:40:56,205
land use, infrastructure, housing and neighborhoods, economic development, parks and

2125
02:40:56,325 --> 02:41:00,285
recreation. So really all sorts of, uh, things that the city deals with every

2126
02:41:00,545 --> 02:41:04,205
day. It is a policy and guidance document, and it provides

2127
02:41:04,585 --> 02:41:07,795
the legal basis for the city's land development regulations.

2128
02:41:10,015 --> 02:41:13,645
we've been working on this plan since january of last year. We've gone through

2129
02:41:14,485 --> 02:41:18,345
multiple different phases, um, and now we're kind of nearing the end. So

2130
02:41:18,565 --> 02:41:22,445
the plan finalization stage, we have, uh, throughout

2131
02:41:22,805 --> 02:41:26,645
this, uh, process, been engaging the community. And I want to thank

2132
02:41:26,945 --> 02:41:30,645
the members of the comprehensive plan advisory committee for all their input and

2133
02:41:31,085 --> 02:41:34,805
feedback, um, over the course of the project, as well as all the public and stakeholders

2134
02:41:35,275 --> 02:41:38,965
that came out to the various listening sessions, town halls, open houses,

2135
02:41:40,105 --> 02:41:43,995
um, surveys, community events, and also, um, providing

2136
02:41:44,885 --> 02:41:48,685
feedback through baytown engage. One of my favorite things

2137
02:41:49,225 --> 02:41:52,665
was we held an art contest, uh, last summer. And

2138
02:41:53,255 --> 02:41:56,965
since this is looking out to the year 2040, uh, the plan is, is really

2139
02:41:57,465 --> 02:42:01,445
for, uh, uh, the youth of tomorrow as well. And we asked them

2140
02:42:01,605 --> 02:42:05,585
to imagine what will baytown look like in the year 2040. And the art

2141
02:42:05,805 --> 02:42:09,605
that they generated, um, has become the covers of each of our planned sections.

2142
02:42:10,505 --> 02:42:14,345
so I think this is, uh, really neat. On the left, uh, that's our land use and development cover, and

2143
02:42:14,565 --> 02:42:18,465
on the right, that's our economic development section cover. So

2144
02:42:18,965 --> 02:42:22,765
the plan, uh, when you go through it, you'll see that there's sections on growth, capacity,

2145
02:42:23,155 --> 02:42:27,085
land use and development, housing and neighborhoods, transportation, economic

2146
02:42:27,245 --> 02:42:31,165
development and recreation and amenities starts with existing city,

2147
02:42:31,405 --> 02:42:35,375
which is the existing conditions in baytown today. So in each of those different topic areas,

2148
02:42:35,835 --> 02:42:39,605
there's information about, um, what those things are like

2149
02:42:39,845 --> 02:42:43,555
in baytown today, whether it's transportation or land use. And there's

2150
02:42:44,045 --> 02:42:45,915
also, um, a series of demographic data.

2151
02:42:49,275 --> 02:42:52,765
skip through that. Then the plan is all the, uh, recommendations

2152
02:42:53,445 --> 02:42:57,235
are organized by these top priority themes, which we presented to you. Um, last

2153
02:42:57,755 --> 02:43:01,725
fall. They, uh, jive very well with what's in the strategic

2154
02:43:01,995 --> 02:43:05,885
plan. So things like enhancing mobility and access, putting the bay back in

2155
02:43:06,005 --> 02:43:09,855
baytown, which, um, y'all were talking about tonight as well. Um, image

2156
02:43:10,205 --> 02:43:12,245
and appearance. So a lot of these same, same themes.

2157
02:43:14,235 --> 02:43:17,925
then in the future city, again, we try to integrate that feedback that we got from

2158
02:43:18,245 --> 02:43:21,325
residents as much as possible. So you'll see quotes from residents throughout.

2159
02:43:22,345 --> 02:43:25,925
and then we have a, uh, matrix that summarizes all the recommendations in each section

2160
02:43:26,825 --> 02:43:30,745
as well as if it's a short range, medium range, or long term, um,

2161
02:43:31,455 --> 02:43:35,085
initiative. And then proposed, uh, action leaders as well as partners.

2162
02:43:37,775 --> 02:43:41,705
and then, uh, each of the recommendations has, um, specific details

2163
02:43:42,455 --> 02:43:46,355
and also call out boxes or best practices that kind of provide a little bit more

2164
02:43:46,555 --> 02:43:50,555
background information on different topics. This is also, I wanna

2165
02:43:50,715 --> 02:43:54,635
mention an online plan. So, um, when you go through it, we're still in the process

2166
02:43:54,855 --> 02:43:58,835
of kind of linking all the different, um, other, other plans and things like

2167
02:43:59,035 --> 02:44:01,425
that, but it will be, um, hopefully a very accessible plan.

2168
02:44:03,335 --> 02:44:07,115
uh, the land use map is a, um, an important part of all comprehensive

2169
02:44:07,605 --> 02:44:11,295
plans. The future land use map is, uh, different than a zoning map.

2170
02:44:11,655 --> 02:44:15,195
it, um, is not, uh, parcel based. It's a little bit more generalized

2171
02:44:15,755 --> 02:44:19,575
development pattern, and it shows the, uh, desired and, and

2172
02:44:19,795 --> 02:44:23,585
or expected land uses in the future. Uh, so there are eight different land

2173
02:44:23,875 --> 02:44:27,875
use categories ranging from rural all the way, um, up to industrial.

2174
02:44:28,495 --> 02:44:32,275
and for each of those, we have information about the land use types

2175
02:44:32,535 --> 02:44:35,915
you might find in that category, as well as some location criteria.

2176
02:44:36,935 --> 02:44:40,515
uh, so this is what the, uh, draft map looks like. And we won't go into details

2177
02:44:40,995 --> 02:44:44,995
tonight, but you can take a look, um, at your leisure and let us know

2178
02:44:45,155 --> 02:44:48,875
if you see anything, um, that, uh, again, we're still in the draft phase,

2179
02:44:49,295 --> 02:44:51,655
so we can still, um, update this map.

2180
02:44:53,495 --> 02:44:57,105
so how the comprehensive plan will be used, it is a guidance document that,

2181
02:44:57,615 --> 02:45:01,515
uh, you all and city staff will use during your normal processes like budgeting,

2182
02:45:02,035 --> 02:45:06,015
capital projects, planning grant pursuits, uh, planning and zoning. Uh,

2183
02:45:06,235 --> 02:45:09,755
commission uses the future land use map during their zoning and subdivision applications,

2184
02:45:10,455 --> 02:45:12,515
for example. And of course, um, partnerships.

2185
02:45:14,735 --> 02:45:18,265
so, uh, once the plan is adopted, um, any of the recommendations would require

2186
02:45:18,755 --> 02:45:22,515
additional action by city council, um, since it's not a regulatory

2187
02:45:23,195 --> 02:45:26,485
document. So recommendations move forward through, um, ordinances,

2188
02:45:27,225 --> 02:45:30,475
budgeting, et cetera. And then

2189
02:45:31,895 --> 02:45:35,875
the outdated presentation here. Um, but we have, uh, since there are like over

2190
02:45:36,035 --> 02:45:39,955
a hundred recommendations in the plan, we whittled it down to kind of

2191
02:45:40,075 --> 02:45:43,975
the top 20. And then over the past month, um, we've had an open house in

2192
02:45:44,195 --> 02:45:48,075
the library and, uh, we had, um, folks come out and

2193
02:45:48,235 --> 02:45:52,155
they voted for their, uh, top three. So I won't go through, um, all these

2194
02:45:52,585 --> 02:45:56,385
tonight. Um, but they are things like updating the unified, uh, land

2195
02:45:56,675 --> 02:46:00,635
development code, um, working on things like storm

2196
02:46:00,965 --> 02:46:03,555
water detention, uh, regional storm water detention,

2197
02:46:05,135 --> 02:46:08,195
um, revitalizing and protecting older established neighborhoods,

2198
02:46:10,635 --> 02:46:14,105
looking at congestion mitigation programs and, um,

2199
02:46:14,825 --> 02:46:18,735
key intersections in traffic flow and, uh, protecting

2200
02:46:19,405 --> 02:46:23,365
large trees and using low maintenance, uh, landscaping.

2201
02:46:24,145 --> 02:46:27,965
so a variety of different, um, priorities that kind of have filtered up

2202
02:46:28,225 --> 02:46:32,145
to the top. Oh, and economic development. Um,

2203
02:46:32,475 --> 02:46:36,245
looking at revitalizing commercial corridors, including sites away from guard

2204
02:46:36,505 --> 02:46:40,355
row. So alexander road, I know that, uh, was brought up tonight. That

2205
02:46:40,645 --> 02:46:44,585
was also a focus, um, that we heard. So in terms of, um,

2206
02:46:44,805 --> 02:46:48,505
beyond tonight, we just wrapped up our month long open house and

2207
02:46:48,825 --> 02:46:52,605
public online commenting period. We're working on finalizing the public hearing

2208
02:46:53,015 --> 02:46:57,005
draft. We'll be taking the, um, public hearing version of the plan

2209
02:46:57,625 --> 02:47:01,335
to the planning and zoning commission in, in may. And then we'll bring

2210
02:47:01,705 --> 02:47:05,585
the plan before you all at your, um, late may meeting as

2211
02:47:05,805 --> 02:47:09,685
well. And plan is online.

2212
02:47:10,115 --> 02:47:12,025
we'd love to get any comments from you all.

2213
02:47:14,315 --> 02:47:18,245
hopefully that was less than 15 minutes. Thank you all very much. Um, we hope

2214
02:47:18,365 --> 02:47:21,705
you're able to, uh, take a look at the plan and we welcome any,

2215
02:47:22,385 --> 02:47:26,265
um, questions or comments anyhow, any

2216
02:47:26,645 --> 02:47:30,605
questions, comments, sir? Thank you for sticking with us. Thank you, ma'am.

2217
02:47:30,895 --> 02:47:34,765
mayor, I just want it, appreciate it. I just wanted to say thanks to meredith and, and your group and

2218
02:47:34,965 --> 02:47:38,905
our planning step. It's, it's hard to to adequately describe to you the

2219
02:47:39,125 --> 02:47:43,115
amount of work that went into this plan and, and how closely they

2220
02:47:43,405 --> 02:47:47,325
tied it to the community-based strategic plan in stretching that five

2221
02:47:47,565 --> 02:47:51,565
year plan out, even, even further 18 years to kind of see what it looks like,

2222
02:47:52,105 --> 02:47:56,045
uh, that plan looks like in the future. And so thank you for your work. Very fine work.

2223
02:47:56,655 --> 02:47:59,565
thank you. Frankie. Is frankie here? Thank you. Frankie.

2224
02:48:01,735 --> 02:48:05,045
thank you. Thank you.

2225
02:48:06,405 --> 02:48:09,885
I know she's probably thinking this. It'll be 2040 by the time this meeting's over. Alright,

2226
02:48:10,865 --> 02:48:14,525
so we'll move to a consent agenda. Agenda. We have items

2227
02:48:15,215 --> 02:48:17,995
there on the consent. It is seven, eighth through

2228
02:48:20,165 --> 02:48:23,765
k. Is it? K? Hold on. I know we're gonna pull some, but mm-hmm

2229
02:48:24,205 --> 02:48:27,225
. Uh, so what is printed as a a through m? Um,

2230
02:48:28,245 --> 02:48:32,085
I guess there's three items. So first, if I can, uh, get, uh, three items to be pulled

2231
02:48:32,285 --> 02:48:36,245
that we're not ready on. I'm assuming they're not ready. So, uh, first we need

2232
02:48:36,365 --> 02:48:39,925
to pull or we can just, um, omit them from the consent motion.

2233
02:48:40,415 --> 02:48:44,285
which three? It's a, b, and k move to approve

2234
02:48:44,565 --> 02:48:48,105
consent items a through m, save and accept a, b, k. Second,

2235
02:48:49,105 --> 02:48:53,045
you have a motion to second. So with that consent agenda, all those in favor consent as

2236
02:48:53,205 --> 02:48:57,205
presented, minus the three items as said, please say aye. Aye. Those opposed?

2237
02:48:57,915 --> 02:49:01,845
alright. Uh, then we have appointments item eight a, consider

2238
02:49:02,005 --> 02:49:05,805
two appointments at the baytown housing authority. Ms. Jackson, uh, looks like, uh, there's two reappointments,

2239
02:49:06,335 --> 02:49:10,065
grace, coronado, and fran parent I'd entertain a motion for these two individuals. Uh,

2240
02:49:10,745 --> 02:49:14,265
second, a motion a second. Any questions or comments? If not all those, uh,

2241
02:49:14,785 --> 02:49:18,565
are those willing, uh, to reappoint these two individuals, please say, aye. Aye. Those

2242
02:49:18,845 --> 02:49:22,725
opposed? Carrie, we'll go to item eight b, consider one appointment to the baytown fire control prevention

2243
02:49:23,165 --> 02:49:26,885
emergency medical services district board. Uh, we have district

2244
02:49:27,205 --> 02:49:30,965
reappointment, uh, mr. Pre singh motion to approve.

2245
02:49:31,625 --> 02:49:35,365
second, I have a motion and a second. Any questions or comments on mr. Singh?

2246
02:49:35,945 --> 02:49:39,925
not all those, uh, for approval please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed? We have our managers

2247
02:49:40,405 --> 02:49:44,225
report way too much about my career to

2248
02:49:44,445 --> 02:49:48,325
come up with anything right now. I good choice. I, I'm ju I'm just fine, mayor and

2249
02:49:48,485 --> 02:49:52,215
council. Thank you. All right. And I, I would assume, uh, for the, in the interest of time that, uh, let's,

2250
02:49:52,825 --> 02:49:56,485
uh, the next agenda item, let's place the council member district report, uh, for councilman

2251
02:49:56,845 --> 02:50:00,755
johnson on that item please. So I'll entertain a motion. I guess we have to suspended.

2252
02:50:01,635 --> 02:50:05,215
suspended. Okay. Suspended to the next meeting. Motion to suspend until

2253
02:50:05,735 --> 02:50:09,125
april the 28th. Second. Motion to second.

2254
02:50:10,105 --> 02:50:14,105
all those in favor? Uh, for suspension please say aye. Aye. Opposed? And

2255
02:50:14,325 --> 02:50:18,285
we have taken care of all the other items. So that being that baytown city council has addressed

2256
02:50:18,885 --> 02:50:20,525
all post agenda items as meetings now adjourned.

2257
02:50:23,585 --> 02:50:23,585
bye.