1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:10,460 We're rolling. Okay, good evening, everyone. It's 5.30 p.m. on Monday, March 4, and we're at 2 00:00:10,460 --> 00:00:15,560 Beachwood City Hall in conference room A, and this is a safety and public health 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:21,560 committee meeting. And we're here tonight to discuss the Chagrin Boulevard ODOT 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:27,980 project. Can you please call the roll? Sure. Mr. Isaacson? Here. Sure, I can't. 5 00:00:27,980 --> 00:00:55,420 here Mr. here Mr. Sineberg. He's walking in. Okay. Say here. Say here. Here. Okay so on our agenda item number one is the mayor's report. I will wait for the regular council meeting. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. And item number two discussion and update regarding ODOT project. 6 00:00:56,580 --> 00:01:03,520 Okay, I will start while we're back here again to talk about the chagrin boulevard corridor 7 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:10,440 improvement project. This project originally came up to us from the Ohio Department of 8 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:17,020 Transportation in about 2012. This is a safety improvement project. I want to stress that 9 00:01:17,020 --> 00:01:17,960 This is about safety. 10 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:26,400 We had done a study that was done over the course 11 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,400 of several years by GPD. 12 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,200 They've found several things that their representatives will 13 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,220 go through this presentation that you've seen. 14 00:01:35,660 --> 00:01:37,040 Most of you have seen this previously. 15 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,880 We have, I would say, two new council members. 16 00:01:40,140 --> 00:01:41,440 So they have a beautiful presentation. 17 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,080 And we've kind of shortened that presentation down 18 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:53,640 a little bit due to the most pertinent items to present. So again this is a 19 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,580 project that's about safety, it will improve traffic flow and it will 20 00:01:59,580 --> 00:02:06,640 eliminate, part of it will eliminate the left turn that you currently have to 21 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,940 make into Brighton, across two lanes of traffic which has been stated from 22 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:16,820 members of the police department is being in very hazardous situation as well as 23 00:02:16,820 --> 00:02:20,960 Mr. Westbrooks will go through this. It's widening of the Shagrin Boulevard 24 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,980 bridge. There's some changes to the entrance and exit ramps to 271 and 25 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:31,780 certainly changes to the Richmond-Shagrin intersection. So with that I 26 00:02:31,780 --> 00:02:35,020 will turn it over to Mr. Westbrooks if you want to introduce the people that 27 00:02:35,020 --> 00:02:39,620 are on your team who are here today. So Kevin Westbrooks of GPD been in front 28 00:02:39,620 --> 00:02:45,340 of most of you. Many times it's a very similar presentation. I've got Mike 29 00:02:45,340 --> 00:02:50,540 Hobbs with me, he'll be the principal on the project, and then Mark Grossman who will be the 30 00:02:50,540 --> 00:02:57,720 PM on the project. Mark is our director of transportation. He's the guy we bring in 31 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,740 for the big design jobs, particularly they've got a lot of ODOT involvement, 32 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,840 a lot of ODOT oversight, a lot of experience, that's what his prime 33 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,340 I'm doing this larger jobs, dealing with ODOT, 34 00:03:11,500 --> 00:03:12,900 dealing with all the design issues. 35 00:03:13,380 --> 00:03:15,140 So that's why we wanted to have Mark on the team. 36 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,560 So for the first time, any of you have met Mark? 37 00:03:20,380 --> 00:03:22,320 And then I'll get the presentation. 38 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,720 Let me tell you something while we're pulling that up. 39 00:03:27,380 --> 00:03:28,800 If this pilot, as you'll recall, 40 00:03:29,020 --> 00:03:30,680 was previously approved by city council, 41 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,920 there was an amendment made to it 42 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:35,680 by the Ohio Department of Transportation 43 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,860 since the last time that this was approved. 44 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,460 And that's why we're back here this evening. 45 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,120 Hopefully move forward with this project at this point. 46 00:03:43,340 --> 00:03:44,680 So we can do it. 47 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:53,820 I'm going to do it. 48 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:54,700 I'm going to do it. 49 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:55,800 You can just air around the house. 50 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:56,400 Like 51 00:04:02,260 --> 00:04:04,080 the mayor said, this is a presentation most of you 52 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,280 have seen before, or at least parts of it. 53 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:08,860 We have kind of streamlined it due to time 54 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:10,900 and because most of you have seen it already. 55 00:04:12,940 --> 00:04:14,060 Basically, why are we here? 56 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:16,060 Whatever you're discussing wants to do this time. 57 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,220 So obviously, it's a couple new council members 58 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:20,260 and kind of a refresher for everybody. 59 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,240 It's been about coming up on two years 60 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,700 since we've talked to you about this. 61 00:04:24,780 --> 00:04:26,960 And there's a new agreement with ODOT. 62 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,000 They call it the LPA Agreement. 63 00:04:29,140 --> 00:04:32,420 LPA in ODOT world is the local public agency. 64 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,320 It's the beach world. 65 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,080 So you guys are the local one. 66 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:37,280 So there's a new LPA agreement. 67 00:04:37,460 --> 00:04:40,340 You sign the original one back in July of 2023 68 00:04:40,340 --> 00:04:42,800 where the council authorized the city to sign. 69 00:04:43,460 --> 00:04:46,760 But there's been a modification to that since that time. 70 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,840 I've now put on is a new document. 71 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,280 This requires a third party review 72 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:55,220 of the plans on the city's behalf. 73 00:04:55,940 --> 00:04:58,440 So that's the really only big thing 74 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,080 that's in this modified agreement. 75 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:02,760 We will also go over project history 76 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,020 and the overview status of it 77 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:07,020 and kind of go over the funding. 78 00:05:08,420 --> 00:05:10,440 So we'll go through every single detail 79 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,320 but the main point of this is to show you 80 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,560 this is not something that's just recently happened. 81 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,000 And this has been going on for at least since 2011, 82 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,280 some form of trying to improve things on Chagrin Boulevard 83 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,380 and near and near the interchange, 84 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:28,360 where the heaviest traffic probably in the city. 85 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:32,320 Now from signals that I worked on back in 2011 86 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,800 to studies in 2012, 2015, there was a safety study 87 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,340 that ODOT, based on the study, 88 00:05:40,540 --> 00:05:42,300 ODOT gave the city a half a million dollars 89 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:50,560 to put towards future further study of it further investigation 2018 there was 90 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:57,040 an alternative study kind of deciding what should be done out here from 2019 to 91 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,740 22 there was a variety of different council committee meetings council 92 00:06:00,740 --> 00:06:05,740 meetings public hearing the public involvement meetings between that March 93 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:11,460 13th and 2019 that's the one that the ODOT staff came to some of you were 94 00:06:11,460 --> 00:06:16,420 there. In 2020, ODOT awarded two and a half million dollars out of their safety 95 00:06:16,420 --> 00:06:20,220 program, the same program that gave you the half million dollars to further 96 00:06:20,220 --> 00:06:23,180 investigate it. They put two and a half million dollars towards the 97 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:28,840 construction at that time. Then we've had a couple other studies, an interchange 98 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:33,000 operation study was approved in 2021. That's an ODOT-acquired study that 99 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,460 anytime you're dealing with the interchange, even if it's just the 100 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:41,220 ram she'd got to get that approved there's also turn alternatives evaluation 101 00:06:41,220 --> 00:06:47,560 study that's probably the biggest effort we had and that's actually drawn some 102 00:06:48,660 --> 00:06:52,220 lines on paper to see where things are actually going to lay out what are your 103 00:06:52,220 --> 00:06:58,040 impacts where is the right away needed how can this be designed that study was 104 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:05,500 finished in 21 then later into 2021 the mayor Chris area and I went to the 105 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:09,100 track, which is the Transportation Review and Advisory Council. 106 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:13,580 It's the committee that's made up of a variety of politicians, 107 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:18,320 ODOT, various organizations, and they control the big dollars 108 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:18,920 for ODOT. 109 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,160 The big projects that need large amounts of funding 110 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,880 have to go to the track to get those. 111 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,180 So we went down to, we were at the Agri-Kinn Airport 112 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,260 where they were meeting that time, 113 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:31,820 and we were able to secure a million dollars 114 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:34,200 towards the design of the project. 115 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:49,940 Then in June 21st, 2022, that's when we came and did the similar presentation and council approved the LPA agreement that was current at that time, one that we're looking to get approval for again. 116 00:07:50,700 --> 00:08:01,140 And then in March of 2023, additional funding was provided by TRAC, almost $600,000 towards the acquisition of Brightway. 117 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:11,500 So between ODOT's safety program and TRAC, ODOT has really started to make investment in this project. 118 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,520 They're putting a pretty significant financial investment. 119 00:08:15,380 --> 00:08:18,160 They're definitely still on board with this project. 120 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,240 It's important to them, just like it's important to the city. 121 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,040 So that was kind of a quick overview of it. 122 00:08:25,060 --> 00:08:29,780 This has been a long process and it's what these processes are for these large projects. 123 00:08:29,780 --> 00:08:35,920 It takes the cost of a lot of money every year to kind of study every detail of it, and it's a process giving the funds. 124 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:44,940 So just going back to the overview, that's the project area. It's primarily Chagrin Boulevard, but it's also on Richmond Road. 125 00:08:45,620 --> 00:08:50,000 Just west of the Richmond-Chagrin intersection to just north of Briden Road. 126 00:08:50,340 --> 00:08:56,560 It goes all the way out through the interchange, includes some work on the ramps right to the city line. 127 00:08:58,020 --> 00:09:01,660 This is just to give you some idea of the traffic numbers that are out there. 128 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,780 Most of you have seen this. 129 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,760 Today, there's about 50,000 cars a day on chagrin. 130 00:09:10,140 --> 00:09:11,820 Another 25,000 on Richmond. 131 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,500 75,000 cars a day traveled through that Richmond chagrin intersection. 132 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:17,580 That's a good guess. 133 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,420 I'm assuming that that's just a typo and not a projection for the last column where it says 2042. 134 00:09:22,660 --> 00:09:24,080 That is a projection? 135 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:25,080 Well, that is a projection. 136 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:32,720 So when we do all our traffic work, we're always going to project out at least 20 years 137 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:38,140 trying to see, make sure that our design is going to at least last for 20 years, hopefully 138 00:09:38,140 --> 00:09:42,540 it lasts longer, hopefully it solves everything, but you want to make sure they are at least 139 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:49,480 getting out of ways and handle that future traffic growth, but it's one of the busiest 140 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,440 intersections around. 141 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:51,320 So 142 00:09:55,380 --> 00:10:00,060 as the mayor said, this is really it's a safety driven project. If it wasn't for 143 00:10:00,060 --> 00:10:03,720 the safety issues and it was just congestion, ODOT would not be quite as 144 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,680 interested in it. If you've seen anything from ODOT in the last few years, you know, 145 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:14,420 safety, vision zero, all these various things, safety is a big deal. And this 146 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:17,760 intersection has got a lot of safety, or not the intersection, it's a project area 147 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,280 has a major safety concern. And three years when we did the safety study, 148 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,820 This is a summary of the crash data that we pulled at that time. 149 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:30,780 Five over 500 crashes in that area in three years. 150 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,000 That's big. 151 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:33,900 It's big numbers. 152 00:10:34,180 --> 00:10:35,260 Thankfully, it's not. 153 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,160 I don't think we had any fatalities. 154 00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:39,720 But there's a lot of crashes. 155 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,400 Primarily rear end site swipe, which 156 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,460 is related to congestion. 157 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:52,000 So it's lots of traffic and lanes 158 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,840 that aren't quite where you want them to be. 159 00:10:55,140 --> 00:10:57,400 You can't quite get to that left turn lane 160 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,040 or you don't want to be in that left turn lane 161 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,180 or there's one single curb lane that takes you to 271, 162 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,880 whether it's north or south, everybody wants to be 163 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,900 and people changing lanes at the last second. 164 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,700 I'm sure we've been heading towards 271 165 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:11,640 and that sure comes up on your side 166 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,320 and wants to get over to the last second. 167 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:15,960 That's where the side swipes come in 168 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,420 and somebody slams on their brakes behind him 169 00:11:18,420 --> 00:11:19,560 because somebody's getting over there. 170 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:24,200 where the rear ends are coming from or the long line of traffic coming down Richmond to take a left 171 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:31,400 on the chagrin user rear so it's congestion caused but it's it's the safety concerns is what's the 172 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:40,160 big deal this is kind of a summary of those same statistics in ODOT's ranking every ODOT ranks 173 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,920 everything in the state not just their roads they've got a variety they've got intersections 174 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,740 they look at they've got sections of road they've got ramps that they look at 175 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:51,720 and they rank them based on a variety of statistics. 176 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:52,980 It's not all just numbers, 177 00:11:53,140 --> 00:11:55,160 but there's a lot of things that go in that ranking. 178 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:57,560 But if you look at the little star there, 179 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,360 that's the primary intersection of Richmond-Chagrin. 180 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,040 That's the number 72 ranked intersection in the state. 181 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,500 Think of all the intersections, 182 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:08,400 how many thousands of intersections there are, 183 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:09,440 and it's number 72. 184 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,760 The orange section says urban segment number four. 185 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:22,000 that's the fourth highest ranked in terms of crash safety in the entire state and 186 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:29,460 you've got, you know, 252, number 13 ramp, the number 51 ramp. If this was, if there 187 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:32,720 were good way prizes you guys would be taken home a lot, but they're not good 188 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,700 prizes, you know, it's, it's, it just shows you in the state, this is 189 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:40,240 significant. That's why ODOT is very interested in doing this. They need to 190 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,980 get these cleaned up they need to get these things off their list they and they 191 00:12:44,980 --> 00:12:49,940 want things to be safer out there on the roads. This is a little too small to see 192 00:12:49,940 --> 00:12:53,300 and if we want to get the nuts and bolts of what's actually being improved I've 193 00:12:53,300 --> 00:12:58,220 got a PDF on the computer as well that we can zoom in on areas but this kind of 194 00:12:58,220 --> 00:13:03,200 shows you the whole scope of the project. There's gonna be widening but 195 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,280 it's really not an excessive amount of widening it's a lot of reconfiguring 196 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,280 there's a bridge itself is getting wider but what the main thing we're not just 197 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,880 adding lanes to get traffic to plow through and move traffic we're trying 198 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,920 to get cars are aligned where they should be a separate lane even on as far 199 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,420 back as Richmond north of Brighton you'll get a specific lane if you want 200 00:13:25,420 --> 00:13:28,520 to get to 271 south you'll get a specific lane if you want to get to 201 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,560 271 north and carry you the whole way through without having to change 202 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:39,320 lanes and there's there's you know both directions you'll be able to bypass an 203 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,180 intersection so you don't have to stop another inch it's really going to make 204 00:13:43,180 --> 00:13:48,120 the traffic flow and have people get in the lanes that they need so there's not 205 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:54,180 all that shifting of cars trying to change lanes it really cleared that up 206 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:58,120 which is going to lead to your your improvements in safety if you've ever 207 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,260 come down Richmond there come south on Richmond to take a left on the 208 00:14:01,260 --> 00:14:06,460 should ruin, you know, everybody wants to be in that right of the left two turn 209 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:11,400 lanes. You get about 10% in the other one because that one goes, only goes over in 210 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,260 the wood. If you want to get on 270, you got to be in that one. And if you want to 211 00:14:15,260 --> 00:14:18,620 be in that second left turn lane, you can't get to it because it's backed up 212 00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:23,020 through Bride and Road and you just, you got to wait, wait, wait. And then you 213 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:27,500 can finally get over. A lot of people, you know, will try and do that then to 214 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:31,720 sneak around the long line of queue and that's where you have your safety problems. 215 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:37,420 So that's what the job is really aligning and again we can get into any of the details if you want to know that. 216 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,880 We'll save that to the end because I know you're short of time. 217 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,660 One of the more important slash controversial I guess you would call it, 218 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,160 changes that are going on here is Briden Road. 219 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:55,360 So the image on the left Briden currently is signalized. 220 00:14:56,860 --> 00:14:59,860 You can turn left on the right, you can do anything. 221 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,440 If you want, except when there's traffic there, you've got cars queued up through the intersection during busy times. 222 00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:11,900 And I agree for Brydon, and you're looking at a line of cars. 223 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:16,160 They've tried various things. We've tried things with signal timing. 224 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,520 They've got, you know, the pavement marked out there to show people don't stop your car, 225 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,480 but some people either don't care or they don't realize they're going to get stuck in that spot. 226 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,380 they think the cars are moving oh it turned red now I'm out in the middle of the intersection. 227 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,760 So on the on the right side is what the proposed intersection will look like in the future. 228 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,260 When we when we first spoke with this project the the plan was to cut right off call the 229 00:15:42,260 --> 00:15:47,800 sack it just eliminate the intersection all together and that was I think that was ODOT's 230 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:53,080 preference that's what they wanted to see that was our recommendation through the public 231 00:15:53,080 --> 00:16:02,200 meetings, town hall, talking to the city, the council, counselors. It's clear that we didn't 232 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:07,560 want to just necessarily cut that off at least at that point. So we came to an agreement. 233 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:16,000 ODOT has agreed. There's been a compromise. So the signal will go away, but the Briden Road will 234 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,660 then become a right-in right-out. You can take a right turn southbound in the Briden. 235 00:16:20,660 --> 00:16:23,460 You could take a right turn out of Bride and the head south. 236 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,620 You will not be able to go take a left turn out. 237 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:28,420 You will not be able to take a left turn in. 238 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,860 If you were heading north and want to take a left turn in, 239 00:16:31,940 --> 00:16:33,580 you're going across four lanes. 240 00:16:34,780 --> 00:16:38,860 Many times, both of those lanes are going to be full. 241 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,460 It would be a very dangerous movement coming out. 242 00:16:42,620 --> 00:16:46,060 I can't imagine trying to come out across all those lanes. 243 00:16:46,780 --> 00:16:48,880 But the lanes are set up because that's where you want. 244 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,780 This is the arrangement that I was talking about. 245 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,220 You can get one lane for 271 North, one for 271 South. 246 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,240 You can make those turns and stay in your lane 247 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,740 and you'll keep on moving. 248 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,980 So that's where that stands right now 249 00:17:03,380 --> 00:17:05,020 as I'll write it right out. 250 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,380 Some of these are kind of common sense 251 00:17:09,380 --> 00:17:10,420 and we've kind of talked about them 252 00:17:10,420 --> 00:17:12,360 and the benefits of the project, 253 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:14,540 consequences not doing, they're basically obvious. 254 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,300 But yeah, improve safety. 255 00:17:16,580 --> 00:17:17,560 That's what we'd like the mayor to say. 256 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,480 This is what we're here for, to improve the safety, 257 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,020 get those crash numbers down. 258 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:23,160 Ideally it would be zero, I'm realistic. 259 00:17:23,380 --> 00:17:26,020 We just want to get it down to a normal number 260 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:28,180 that's not put you at the top of the list. 261 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,280 Make the intersection, make the whole project area safer. 262 00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:34,080 Improved traffic flow is secondary, 263 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,100 only secondary because the safety is so important, 264 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:38,680 but to improve the safety, 265 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,500 you're going to have better traffic flow. 266 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,440 Economic benefit, it's kind of a more obscure thought, 267 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,460 but the businesses in town, the hospitals, 268 00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:52,040 the headquarters, the offices, 269 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,480 all these businesses that are located in Beechwood, 270 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,900 that's the light of what makes Beechwood so great. 271 00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:02,440 The last thing you wanna do is make somebody mad 272 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,180 and a business decides either not to locate in Beechwood 273 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:07,420 because man, I don't wanna go through that traffic 274 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:11,940 every morning, I kind of see crashes or it's jammed up 275 00:18:12,580 --> 00:18:15,060 or they, once their lease is up, 276 00:18:15,140 --> 00:18:16,160 they're like, we're getting out of town. 277 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,200 We've got to go somewhere where it's a little easier. 278 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:19,640 You don't want to do that. 279 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,900 You don't want to chase off these great businesses. 280 00:18:22,340 --> 00:18:24,480 So this is important not only to the safety, 281 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,380 but economic health of the city. 282 00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:30,860 This will reduce Charter Dunn-Briden and Halberd, 283 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:31,360 we believe. 284 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,040 I believe there's concerns from residents 285 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,180 that there's people out there that use their road that 286 00:18:39,180 --> 00:18:40,080 aren't residents. 287 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:41,980 They're legally allowed to. 288 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,160 But they wouldn't normally be there 289 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,860 if they weren't trying to avoid something else. 290 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,140 Well, let me make those left turns. 291 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,140 We're going to immediately cut out some of that traffic 292 00:18:50,780 --> 00:18:51,360 that's in there. 293 00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:52,980 And then a regional impact. 294 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:56,220 While you guys are the ones that 295 00:18:56,220 --> 00:18:58,580 have to carry the weight of the project, 296 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,540 this is not just for you guys. 297 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,220 I mean, in other communities, other shakers, 298 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:08,380 your universities, this is an important area for them 299 00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:10,880 as well, having traffic flow through your area. 300 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,900 And then obviously the consequences is just the opposite. 301 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,680 Safety's not gonna fix itself. 302 00:19:16,260 --> 00:19:17,920 You can't just leave this intersection alone 303 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,680 and expect that things are gonna get better. 304 00:19:21,860 --> 00:19:23,780 Traffic flow's only gonna get worse. 305 00:19:24,140 --> 00:19:25,600 Traffic's gonna continue to increase. 306 00:19:26,860 --> 00:19:28,020 And if you don't do anything, 307 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,680 it's gonna become worse than the obviously 308 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,480 the opposite of the economic impact. 309 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,260 You don't wanna chase off these businesses. 310 00:19:36,180 --> 00:19:44,080 Moving forward, hoping that the council will authorize the mayor to sign the revised LPA 311 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:44,540 agreement. 312 00:19:44,740 --> 00:19:47,800 Hopefully it's in the next council meeting. 313 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:54,240 That agreement then we go to ODOT and then ODOT is, because they've got a million dollars 314 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:01,060 of federal funds in the design, they will have to review the design fee again and approve 315 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:07,020 that and then start to contract for the design. Then our, you know, we'll get 316 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:11,260 hopefully contract, you know, everything will move forward, design will start and 317 00:20:11,260 --> 00:20:16,680 then our next major thing is to go try and get more money. We have to get to a 318 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,340 certain point in design before we can ask for more money, at least through the 319 00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:24,900 track which I think is again your best option for getting funds there. I've 320 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:27,880 already shown twice that they're interested in putting money into this. 321 00:20:28,540 --> 00:20:29,740 So we're going to go back to track. 322 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:31,780 We'll also apply for raise and build grants, 323 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,280 but you're competing nationally for those funds. 324 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,480 We'll try. 325 00:20:36,020 --> 00:20:38,200 There are big pots of money, but you never know. 326 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:40,120 But we'll put the application into that, 327 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:45,860 but I really think track is where the money is going to, 328 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,840 you're going to find the money. 329 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:50,500 Estimated design is going to take a couple of years. 330 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,520 It started in 24, and probably finished in 26. 331 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:00,820 Construction would follow that in 20 estimate now 2027 2028. It's a two-year 332 00:21:00,820 --> 00:21:07,720 construction. Bridge work is probably you know pushing a lot of that. There's a 333 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,880 lot of stuff to do out there. 334 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,300 Funding I'm sorry. It's the most 335 00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:17,500 important thing. The first kind of preliminary engineering that's the half 336 00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:23,120 million dollars and the city's match that ODAC gave back in 2015 to do to 337 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:27,780 get you to this point. See the million dollars under secured track that's the 338 00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:32,780 design money that the track has given you. The five sixty-four that's the 339 00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:37,500 nearly six hundred thousand dollars of track is put towards the acquisition of 340 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:42,200 right-of-way along chagrin. There's going to be some strips of right-of-way 341 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,960 that are going to be needed to make the road a little wider. Under construction 342 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,860 you see the ODOT HSIP that's their safety program. Same program they gave 343 00:21:50,860 --> 00:21:54,020 maybe the half million is they've got two and a half million dedicated to it. 344 00:21:55,100 --> 00:22:00,060 Nowakka resurfacing, there's 433,000 that Nowakka's putting into this. 345 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,860 That was to resurface, should grin. 346 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:07,220 It was probably supposed to happen, but no, the city requested, hey, 347 00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:11,320 can we hold off on that till we do this project and put it in the pocket? 348 00:22:11,820 --> 00:22:12,740 That makes sense. 349 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,780 Let's not do this work twice, so they put that money in. 350 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,700 Then the 8.6 million, the big number there, that's the money that we're 351 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:27,220 going to be going back for probably likely to track total all those things up 352 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:32,360 some big numbers but I think there's a big opportunity to get to get funding 353 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:39,380 believe that is my last slide so that questions maybe 354 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,360 I don't there's anything 355 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:53,380 else that I missed that you want to throw at that I just wanted a few 356 00:22:53,380 --> 00:23:00,340 things. Thank you for the presentation. You know, looking at this project, I think this is the most 357 00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:10,240 important project probably that we've seen since probably 1988-89 when Richmond Road got expanded 358 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:17,100 from two lanes to four and five lanes. And you know, the vision back then, actually I think I was 359 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:25,460 here as a part-timers and dates, but you know looking at a head and forecasting 360 00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:30,900 where our commercial district is, we're not built out yet completely in the 361 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:35,440 Chagrin Highlands and you know ODOT and the City of Beechwood had a vision to 362 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,400 widen Richmond Road to Forsyth Park before all these commercial districts. 363 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,440 So I think this is probably the most important project since that time, so 364 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,880 But I think it's really important. 365 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:49,460 ODAC did come to us because of all the accidents. 366 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,700 And gee, you can attest it. 367 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,820 They approached us back in 2012. 368 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:58,360 And the governor knew there was a problem there. 369 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,560 And it's continued on. 370 00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:03,380 So I just think that looking at everything, 371 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:08,940 it's a regional thing, a further commercial area, 372 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:11,060 not only in this city, but other cities also. 373 00:24:11,860 --> 00:24:16,860 When we went down to Akron, the Mayor, myself and Kevin made this presentation. 374 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:24,480 It was very encouraging. We had three, I think, of the track council members that wanted us to write a check for construction that day. 375 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:30,740 So they said, what's the hold-up? Let's write a check to the City of Beechwood and get this thing done. 376 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:37,840 So it's been on pause for a couple of years. Hopefully the council has the same state of mind going moving forward. 377 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,800 we're going to go back to them and we anticipate that we'll be able to get a 378 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,520 lot of construction funding towards this project. So it's just it's extremely 379 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,600 important. Mayor and I met with Deputy Picuri a couple weeks, two or three weeks 380 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:56,120 ago, and Kerry Wells from ODOT and they still feel the same way about this 381 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,640 project that they wanted to move forward. They wanted construction to 382 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,900 happen in 2027 and 2028 and get this done and this job completed because 383 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:11,740 spend 12 years. So it's an important project and I hope that Council sees it that way and 384 00:25:11,740 --> 00:25:15,740 approves the agreement. So that's all that I had on the bill if you want to answer. 385 00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:20,900 Like Chris said, when we went down to AFRIN I was floored by one of the members who wanted 386 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:24,240 to write a step chat that day and I walked out of there and I think I said to Kevin 387 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,940 we should have asked for 3 million more because it was really tough at that time. And I 388 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:33,580 would say that was two years ago and nearly now and the cost of the project in here 389 00:25:33,580 --> 00:25:38,900 is increased like you know all of our projects I'm increased in cost. I felt confident, I'm 390 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:43,320 guaranteeing, but confident that they will give us additional funding and I got that 391 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,580 sense when we met with the deputy director a couple weeks ago as well. 392 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,780 And Mayor Frager, the reason, the only reason they couldn't give you all the money that 393 00:25:50,780 --> 00:25:55,000 they wanted to at that time is because there were no plans were started, had to 394 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,720 be through an environmental clearance and they had to explain to a couple of 395 00:26:01,140 --> 00:26:02,760 They haven't gotten to that point yet. 396 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,160 The city will have to come back and ask for that in you at a later time. 397 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,160 The only thing to stop them is Director Marshmings. 398 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,340 Yeah, I think he was the one who had to speak up. 399 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,740 I did have a question. 400 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,980 Could you go back to the picture that shows current and proposed? 401 00:26:25,060 --> 00:26:27,560 So right here, I'm sorry, the existing condition. 402 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,340 the rights from Brighton on to Richie. 403 00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:41,560 Is there concern that someone who turns right and they're trying to get to 271 404 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:49,020 has to come over now? Are they having to come over more lanes in the proposed condition? 405 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:56,640 Yes, thank you. Well, I think it's still three lanes you've got to get across. 406 00:26:57,980 --> 00:27:07,320 There's going to be two through lanes on Richmond Road but there will be two turn lanes that will extend all the way to that point instead of just the one. 407 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:15,880 And even that one you can't really get to. So you still have to get across three lanes. You might be able to go straight to it. 408 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,340 But I mean that is a concern. That's one reason that some of that cutting is considered. 409 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,620 Because when does it will there be a so once you turn on to Richmond does it turn 410 00:27:27,620 --> 00:27:31,200 it do you have how much feet do you have before it turns into a right only 411 00:27:32,140 --> 00:27:36,160 your concerns traffic coming out right hand turn out here and then trying to 412 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,600 get into these things correct yeah like how many ladies are they having that 413 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,100 somebody somebody wants to get on the chagrin going eastbound so I don't know 414 00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:49,300 I'm not sure it gets in the intersection, but this is why ODOT wanted this cul-de-sac. 415 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:55,180 Because they knew that people would be coming out of here and causing the same situation to have on a strip. 416 00:27:55,780 --> 00:28:01,060 So if people are going to turn right on here and then they're going to try and get into these two lanes and get out of the two separate lanes. 417 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,900 That's why they wanted the light remove within the cul-de-sac. 418 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:04,480 Okay. 419 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,580 They ended up with this, but yes, that is still a concern. 420 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,100 Okay. 421 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,100 Thank you. 422 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,160 So I shared some of Ms. Delong's concerns regarding, and I've expressed this before, 423 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,160 people trying to make that right idling while they attempt to get into the center lane. 424 00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:25,180 Have we consulted with the superintendent and asked at all if the school would prefer 425 00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:26,300 for there to be a cul-de-sac? 426 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,240 Would there be any enhanced safety to the students at Brighton Elementary 427 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,720 if we were to reduce traffic in any sense? 428 00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:36,680 I think that the schools don't actually come up there. 429 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:43,040 I don't know if buses utilize that intersection just because it's a very difficult intersection 430 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:49,140 to navigate left northbound while corporate park is exiting left at the same time. 431 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,200 The other thing that I wanted to just clarify that you had mentioned to me earlier is that 432 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,340 median is a rollover so if we have an emergency vehicle we are able to press over. 433 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:03,940 It's built and constructed so emergency vehicles can go over it. 434 00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:09,840 Even if it was cul-de-sac, and we determined to go that route, we could still build that 435 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,180 where emergency vehicles can get over it, as long as it's a roll-curve. 436 00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:19,920 And finally, have you timed, if this were to take place or we needed to, we followed 437 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,580 ODOT's recommendation and made this a cul-de-sac, do we have a general range or estimate of 438 00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:30,280 how much longer it would take for the residents on those streets to leave their homes 439 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,140 and access one of the major roads for alternative routes. 440 00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:37,180 Is it like a five minute additional commute? 441 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:39,760 Does it take them another minute, 30 seconds? 442 00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:43,100 When this first came up, we did time it out, 443 00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:47,100 and a resident that was living on, I believe, Halburden 444 00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:51,240 or Bryden, it was between a two to three minute range, 445 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,260 extra, but that was without the phasing of the lights. 446 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,340 Obviously, if we went with this project, 447 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,060 lechwood would be a lot longer. 448 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,900 Yes, it would be additional two to three minutes, but that's without the additional time for the 449 00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:08,040 light, so I'm sure that time would be less. There would be more time on that left-ward 450 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:14,960 light. So what's the impact to 451 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,840 Lechworth? Because if people who want to go northbound on Richmond, 452 00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:25,080 that is north, right? Yeah. People who want to go northbound on Richmond, they're 453 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:31,420 to have to go over to Letchworth and then make the left turn from Letchworth on to Richmond 454 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,500 and when school, when Briden lets out, we're going to see school buses and parents who 455 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:42,740 are picking up their kids backed up and I could see that as being some, is creating 456 00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:47,560 some congestion for a little while. Plus, well plus if you adjust the light timing 457 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:50,160 then it's going to have a knock on impact on Richmond. 458 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:58,160 But just to be clear right now, Bride and School all exits out to leftward, so I don't think that there's going to be any more cars coming because they can't get to Bride. 459 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:04,960 And I say I'm going to drive around and utilize Solgway and then they, you know, come back up to Bride and maybe a right turn out of Bride. 460 00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:17,000 The plan with the schools also is that the Bride and Driveway is going to be buses only, and the leftward driveway is going to be vehicular traffic for a school drop-off. 461 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:18,700 That's correct. 462 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,360 So it's not going to be one way any more bright. 463 00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:22,640 It is not going to be. 464 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:23,520 Only buses. 465 00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:25,020 And again, talking to the schools, 466 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,180 they would not have the buses come up to this intersection 467 00:31:28,180 --> 00:31:31,520 unless they were headed to go south by an entrepreneur. 468 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:33,780 South by an enrichment, I'm sorry. 469 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,080 It's been a few years, but when my kids were at Brighton, 470 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:41,280 buses would come south by Richmond, 471 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,780 hook the turn onto Brighton Road, 472 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,920 and then work their way around and go in the driveway there 473 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,740 to drop the kids off. 474 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:56,440 So far as I know, the buses, all the buses would be coming in on the bride and they want to, they want to separate the carers from the buses. 475 00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:58,100 That's our plan of both schools. 476 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:05,900 So, Chief, do we sit, how often do we sit and cite people for blocking the box? 477 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,400 Not very often because it's so dangerous. 478 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,320 Pulling out. 479 00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:13,980 Pulling out for the officers is so dangerous. 480 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,520 There's nowhere to sit up there, because it's so congested. 481 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:25,180 We get complaints and we try to address them, but it's very difficult for them to take action there because there's congestion. 482 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,940 There's not a simple fix like paving a pad for a police officer to sit on and ticket everybody they see? 483 00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:31,420 No. 484 00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:31,880 Okay. 485 00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:39,330 So I saw, sorry, I have some high-level questions. 486 00:32:41,550 --> 00:32:43,690 So this project you said was initiated 487 00:32:43,690 --> 00:32:51,170 by ODOT, not by the city of Beechwood or anybody else, correct? Correct. And then, in whose 488 00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:56,930 direction does it proceed? Is it ODOT's project? Is it Beechwood's project? It's Beechwood's 489 00:32:56,930 --> 00:33:05,410 project. ODOT will be in the construction because you've got the interchanged interstate involved, 490 00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:13,230 but it's Beechwood's project to champion, carry through, provide the bulk of the funding, 491 00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:20,750 or at least find the funding, get the design completed, and then hand the, you know, 492 00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:23,730 ready to go to construction, ODOT's going to take it over to the enterprise. 493 00:33:27,270 --> 00:33:34,550 So, but the city of Beechwood, the administration of Beechwood is going to be the ones who are 494 00:33:34,550 --> 00:33:38,930 controlling the project and making sure that it's, that it happens, that the phasing happens, 495 00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:43,330 that the right amount of work happens, not too much work or too little work or anything 496 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:44,110 like that, correct? 497 00:33:44,770 --> 00:33:48,830 Yes, all the parameters, what type of work is being done, once it goes into that 498 00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:52,950 construction phase usually will just be answered questions to ODOT thing is okay 499 00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:57,610 but but deciding you know is this a left-turn lane is this a through lane are 500 00:33:57,610 --> 00:34:01,790 we widening the bridge are we changing the signal on are we doing those 501 00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:06,230 decisions that have been the city's now it has to fit in with ODOT parameters 502 00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:12,590 don't do anything it's outside of one of their approved countermeasures or 503 00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:16,770 outside of their manuals but the city made all the decisions I had to go 504 00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:20,450 through the end but I had to agree that that's yes that's that makes sense and 505 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:25,050 that's the right thing okay and there's there's there's four elements to this so 506 00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:29,830 now we have obviously ODOT we have GPD group the city of Beechwood and the 507 00:34:29,830 --> 00:34:34,350 third party engineer and so all four of those entities will get together and work 508 00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:39,490 together to make sure that everything's right on the project the now the 509 00:34:39,490 --> 00:34:44,690 third party engineer that's that that's a new mandate from ODOT there 510 00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:47,490 they've changed the ground rules for everybody that's correct so every 511 00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:51,010 project no matter who's doing it anywhere in the state of Ohio going 512 00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:57,690 forward requires this unfunded mandate no no not for 513 00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:07,100 projects that where the 514 00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:14,500 company that is the city engineer is doing the design plans okay that makes 515 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:18,400 up a requirement that they've had before but it is a statewide requirement 516 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:26,500 now so okay but it's not so but it's not a term and condition that only beachwood 517 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:34,700 is required to follow correct okay got it so I saw that design is expected to 518 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:39,840 take two years that seems an awful long period of time is this something that 519 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,880 can be done a little more quickly so we can at least get some cost savings 520 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,280 through avoiding inflation that's not not really because there's there's 521 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,960 certain things that have to happen there's you know there's a big chunk in 522 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:55,020 there that's review time you know where the third party and ODOT will be 523 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:59,620 reviewing the plants there's big chunks of that there's a certain amount of 524 00:35:59,620 --> 00:36:03,260 work that has to be done before they can go acquire right away there's 525 00:36:03,260 --> 00:36:06,720 certain amount of work before they can go to environmental clearance so 526 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:11,580 really honestly the two years is a pretty condensed schedule for something 527 00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:16,640 of those sides Alec we probably have a year of moving utilities before the 528 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,360 project starts to so that's part that's part of a planning phase that's for 529 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,620 leading up to construction yes I mean it's gonna take it's gonna take some 530 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:26,320 time to do that sorry I was under the impression that it was simply people 531 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,300 sitting around drawing making drawings for two years there's there's a lot of 532 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:34,820 field work there's other elements are going on at the same time this is going to be two 533 00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:39,500 phases phase one and phase two so it'll be that's it'll be over the 534 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:43,020 course of two years okay do the grants that we've been offered 535 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:51,000 expire. They can eventually at this point everybody's holding their money 536 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,180 that would have safety program is let you hold on to the two-and-a-half million 537 00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:58,680 for quite a while and the lack of money has been held for quite a while. At some 538 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,660 point I feel like they're going to eventually say we're not giving up. As long as a 539 00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:08,460 project is moving forward the funding will be there. Okay. Council votes it 540 00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:12,280 down. The agreement down? I don't know how much longer the funding is going to last. 541 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,820 Mr. Eisenstein, we asked that exact question, Chris and I, when we met with the Deputy Director 542 00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:22,160 a couple of weeks ago, and he assured us that he felt that all the funding that we currently have 543 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,660 would still be there for his project to continue to move along. 544 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:32,140 A couple more questions. In the safety rankings that were in there, the least safe pieces of road 545 00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:34,680 in the state, those were from 2018? 546 00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:36,740 Those are, yes. 547 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,140 So have they been updated? That was six years ago. Have they been updated? 548 00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:52,700 We have not updated, you know, this is the data that we use in the safety study, in the studies that have been given to ODOT was based on this snapshot of data, a three-year period. 549 00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:01,860 There's also food wanted to update it. The data gets a little sketchy. 2000 was kind of, everybody kind of throws that out. 550 00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:07,140 that was 2021, things were starting to get back to normal. 551 00:38:07,540 --> 00:38:09,320 Then we've got 22 and 23. 552 00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:11,960 They like to have a good three years of solid data 553 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,200 to do anything. 554 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,920 So we haven't pulled new crash data. 555 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,400 We know there's a safety issue. 556 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,600 Is it gonna be slightly different than this? 557 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,020 Yes. 558 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,480 Is it gonna be ballparked this? 559 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,080 Yes. 560 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,060 Yeah, it's gonna be somewhere in that same range. 561 00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:28,460 I honestly, I don't know if they've updated 562 00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:29,160 any rankings. 563 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,360 I know when this data was pulled, 564 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:37,080 which was in the studies that got you a safety funding this is this is what it was so we haven't 565 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:44,600 we haven't expended you know the additional hours and fees to to pull that data oh that's not what 566 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:51,580 we're going to do right so yeah that's sure and then if we do this if this work is complete 567 00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:57,720 what happens to the east end of the bridge the lighted orange place that will still be part 568 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:03,280 of the prod. You know, it'll still be there like it is. There is going to be a turn lane 569 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,800 turning on the orange places added. So there is an improvement. It's pretty tough to see, 570 00:39:07,860 --> 00:39:14,040 but down there in the far right corner, there's a turn lane to keep that help get that intersection 571 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,120 moving a little bit better. There's going to be additional lanes coming off the freeway 572 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:24,540 ramps to try and clear that. So hopefully more time can be given to other of the 573 00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:28,540 traffic signal green time and we give it the other phases but you will get over 574 00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:33,440 there and you know we're not doing anything outside of the you know into 575 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:39,480 orange place the road that's there is there what we will be doing is peeling 576 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:46,060 off the 271 south peeling off the 271 north traffic so when the traffic gets 577 00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:52,380 over there it's not 271 and eastbound traffic mix it's you know so we're 578 00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:57,520 still the same amount but they keep it separate. I think things will still flow 579 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,100 better a little over there on their end probably because the signal operations 580 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:07,720 will be more efficient but we are not adding any lanes over there. It seems to 581 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,320 me then that anybody who's been stuck on that bridge waiting to get on 271 582 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,640 they're going to have their own lane. Okay all right. This will improve 583 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,860 traffic on wood or something. 584 00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:22,380 Yeah, and with that bridge, it's a mess anyway. 585 00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:25,940 I mean, with the crumbling concrete and the, 586 00:40:26,580 --> 00:40:29,720 I've seen workers on it and the fence looks like it's coming down. 587 00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:32,260 I mean, I think that bridge is, is, 588 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,000 it concerns me to drive under it. Let's put it that way. 589 00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:39,580 They did some repairs to the fence, actually, over the last few months. 590 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,480 And then, one last question. 591 00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:46,960 We've been considering putting in a connector road 592 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,380 that would take traffic out of Commerce Park 593 00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:51,160 over to Harvard. 594 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,900 Would that have any impact on a project like this? 595 00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:57,800 Might it replace this project? 596 00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,440 I don't think it'll cause for the need to replace it. 597 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,980 I don't think it would easily replace this. 598 00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:07,360 I think that's gonna facilitate traffic in that area. 599 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,480 Hopefully, things move a little bit better over there. 600 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,640 but the demand is always still going to be up here. 601 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,040 I think it's going to give you more ability to move traffic 602 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,560 in that area, open up some more area for development. 603 00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:25,060 But I think the traffic that wants to be here 604 00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:26,460 is still going to be here. 605 00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:27,160 Got it. 606 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:27,660 Thank you. 607 00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:28,560 Thank you for showing it. 608 00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:29,160 Thank you. 609 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,780 Mr. Centerberg, do you have any questions? 610 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,500 Yeah, so the call to sec, is that a discussion 611 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:38,160 that is now closed or might we reopen it? 612 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,720 because it sounds like when I'm here tonight the idea of called us acting may have some 613 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:49,100 benefits. I mean, it does have benefits, obviously. There's benefits and costs of any, either way. 614 00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:52,840 It was likely closed, I guess you could say. I mean, it's kind of, you know, came to this 615 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:59,040 agreement. Could it be, could we go back and say, hey, we want to do this now? I certainly 616 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,420 think ODOT would be in favor of it. It's, you know, I don't think it jeopardizes 617 00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:06,300 as any of the approvals that we've gotten from ODOT, 618 00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:08,320 you know, there is an interchange study 619 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,520 that I mentioned that ODOT has to approve to allow you. 620 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,580 That's far enough removed, that changing, 621 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,720 call a second, Matt, in my degree. 622 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,520 I do agree. 623 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,320 I think if the city was interested in doing that, 624 00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:22,600 you could decide to do that. 625 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,720 We probably met and noted with ODOT 626 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,700 and they'd probably have to. 627 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,700 They wish they did. 628 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,460 When did that determination need to be made? 629 00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:29,500 Was that it? 630 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,000 Was that determination need to be made? 631 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,360 Very quickly, because that would affect 632 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,040 your public involvement and would affect your environmental clearance that was mentioned 633 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,000 that you have to have before you can get the next round of funding. So the actual project 634 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:48,060 footprint has to be decided very quickly. What is very quickly? Within the first six 635 00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:49,920 months of the design project. Thank you. 636 00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:54,890 So it's okay. So we have time to make a 637 00:42:54,890 --> 00:43:00,330 final decision. From what I'm hearing tonight, it sounds like there are, as I'm 638 00:43:00,330 --> 00:43:05,110 rethinking this process I'm hearing maybe some more benefits to call to sacking it 639 00:43:05,110 --> 00:43:12,010 than to not call to sacking. There's always been my recommendation but yes. What is 640 00:43:12,010 --> 00:43:18,390 GPs recommendation? We think it's the safest and you know I'll say I think 641 00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:24,510 people on the roads back there might appreciate not having this connection 642 00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:28,510 cut through. I know if I'm coming down South Green and I'm going somewhere I 643 00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:32,870 I always put my GPS on just so I can see if there's going to be a traffic back of what I'm going to do. 644 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:35,150 I know how to get there, but I want to see if it turns out right. 645 00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:40,110 It tells me to turn on the Brighton and cut through here to avoid all that. 646 00:43:40,170 --> 00:43:44,590 I don't do it, you know, but that always tells me to do that. 647 00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:46,990 Yeah, but there are people who will follow that. 648 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:50,290 There are people who are passionate about that issue, 649 00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:53,270 and if we're going to consider cul-de-sac in Brighton, 650 00:43:53,270 --> 00:44:11,210 Then we're going to have to work carefully with the residents who live in that part of the community and help them to understand the value and the costs and the benefits and the steps that we're going to take to mitigate any perceived or real inconvenience that they run into. 651 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:16,250 And now like I like to point out that we've already done a survey survey went 652 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:21,590 out to the residents of Briden and I think mayor was over 50% that wanted to see a 653 00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:23,990 closer. Wait was that survey conducted? 654 00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:28,910 Yeah I don't remember the exact 655 00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:33,610 sample size was I mean I don't have the exact numbers. I'm going to get you those 656 00:44:33,610 --> 00:44:37,630 numbers but we did do a survey we did reach out to the residents and that 657 00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:44,370 was a you know that was a concern of ours and they did they did respond and 50% 658 00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:50,430 saying that they okay is there any thought to re-issuing a survey or I 659 00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:55,910 mean I know like you know a lot has changed on that street too. It might be nice 660 00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:58,630 just to engage them and get their thoughts too. 661 00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:03,540 Yeah, I think that might be an idea that we pursue. 662 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,420 You've been telling us that. 663 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:17,920 The more I think about it, the more I'm hearing from at least the professionals in the room, Mr. Aiden, and the GPD team that called us that, and Anne O'Donnell, it sounds like. 664 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:29,580 That was O'Donnell's original plan. That's why we wanted to stick with it. And I think we pointed out some valid reasons as to why Ben and Jillian pointed out, I think Allie did too, that there's going to be issues with the right end and the right out end. 665 00:45:30,740 --> 00:45:34,480 The last thing we need is a cartridge right out on the Richmond cell phone. 666 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,520 Stopping because it can't get left. 667 00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:38,260 And backing up traffic. 668 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,600 We're going to be in the same situation we are now. 669 00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:45,560 One thing I'll put some money on is that the survey is not going to be 100 to 0 either way. 670 00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:47,200 There will be people on those lists. 671 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:48,860 So we know that. 672 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,200 I think last time it was slightly, it was like 50, I don't know, 673 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,540 it was around 55, 45 or something. 674 00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:56,780 It was pretty even, pretty close. 675 00:45:56,780 --> 00:46:04,040 So, you know, we know it'll be over probably within 40 to 60, whatever, on both sides, either way. 676 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,720 So we're going to have to ultimately, whoever's in this room, 677 00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:11,160 will have to make the decision based on what they think is overall. 678 00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:13,960 Property values go all up with the cul-de-sac. 679 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:14,660 What's that? 680 00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:16,480 Property values increase when it goes in. 681 00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:17,220 Yeah. 682 00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:24,980 So I guess my only thought from this presentation is to reopen the cul-de-sac conversation. 683 00:46:26,340 --> 00:46:28,160 If we're going to do that, I'd like to do that. 684 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,780 We can be, certainly council can be expeditious. 685 00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:43,680 I know that my idea of no left turn during morning and afternoon rush is, I think, a non-starter. 686 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,440 Although I did notice today that that's exactly the way it works in front of the middle school, 687 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,700 but I know it's not as many lanes to go across. 688 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,560 coming out of the middle school. 689 00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:57,480 When you're coming out of the middle school driveway, 690 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,880 there's a sign right there that says no left turn 691 00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:01,480 morning and afternoon, 692 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,700 but you're going across four or five lanes there 693 00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:08,020 as opposed to six lanes here. 694 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,020 Because that would be a... 695 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,360 I think a solution that would... 696 00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:19,780 There's no way to have a limited left turn 697 00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:21,220 in there with a right and right eye. 698 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,040 No, I know. 699 00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:23,820 There's just no way to... 700 00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:29,080 And then within a while, people can go left in a long time. 701 00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:31,960 And then we're relying on the chief for traffic enforcement. 702 00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:33,580 And again, if there's a safety issue, 703 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,900 we don't want to put officers at risk like that. 704 00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:37,520 It's just difficult for them to get out. 705 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,080 And then if they make a stop right there, 706 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,600 then that backs up traffic even more. 707 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,880 Ms. Taylor, did you have a question? 708 00:47:44,660 --> 00:47:45,360 Yeah, I did. 709 00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:47,240 It's nice to see you guys. 710 00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:48,660 And thank you for this presentation. 711 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,900 I don't know how much leeway you're 712 00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:54,280 going to have with the proposed bridge structure. 713 00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:09,600 But having just come off the campaign, I know a lot of our citizens are very cognizant that other cities have really nice bridges with nice lighting and nice signage and brooding. 714 00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:15,980 So when appropriate, I think it would be nice to kind of let people know how that does or does not occur. 715 00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:24,600 because people are very prideful and they want a nice you know you know I mean 716 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,360 if you look at Westlake I mean you drive under their bridge and you're like 717 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:34,320 wow an opportunity quarter certainly has made an impact too. When we met with 718 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,520 Deputy Director Precari I mentioned that exact thing and I said it's really 719 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:43,880 nice driving up 480 and seeing that independence bridge and he acknowledged 720 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,920 that they get more compliments about that right now and he was open to that. 721 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,220 I think that the idea here right now is only one side of the bridge would be 722 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,520 reconstructed. Correct. But maybe we could get B to it 723 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,180 on that side so you're traveling northbound. There's a 724 00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:03,040 fair number of bridges. There's one in Canton. There's a couple in Canton. Yes. 725 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,760 The Independence one is kind of the most amazing one. I think that would be really, 726 00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,740 and the lighting piece would really make a difference. 727 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,600 And so, you know, before it's too late. 728 00:49:15,020 --> 00:49:16,900 That'd be great. Thank you. 729 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,560 Last thing, it's hard for me to, I have to like be driving down the street to actually visualize it. 730 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:31,340 But with these repairs or with these enhancements, do we need to look into any sound mitigation for these areas 731 00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:35,420 if we're expanding the roads, are we going to need to explore sound barriers 732 00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:38,660 or is that not relevant to the stretch of road? 733 00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:43,060 I don't think we need to look at it because it's all commercial property. 734 00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:45,740 It all is, it is all commercial property. 735 00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:47,540 And that's usually just where residential is. 736 00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:48,380 Yeah. 737 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,060 So I don't think that that would be looking at anything unless you know something about it. 738 00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:53,720 I don't think so. 739 00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:58,980 I don't have to be like in my car driving down these streets for me to really be able to remember where everything is. 740 00:49:59,120 --> 00:49:59,320 Thank you. 741 00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:04,520 I've only seen some barriers on freeway lane additions, not arterial sort of streets. 742 00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:05,380 Okay. 743 00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:09,780 I want to be mindful of time, too, because I know we have another meeting after this, 744 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,280 but Mr. Long, I know you have another question. 745 00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:13,060 Yeah, thank you. 746 00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:16,440 If you could just go back to the proposed condition one more time. 747 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,220 Looking at the other side, I'm going to call it where you go to Hex. 748 00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:22,940 The other, yeah. 749 00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:23,380 Yes. 750 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:23,680 Okay. 751 00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:25,400 So there's no light there. 752 00:50:25,780 --> 00:50:30,840 If I'm coming southbound on Richmond and I want to go into Hex or the chiropractor, 753 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:39,500 how is that can I turn is that left now gone that option but we we did make 754 00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:44,940 provisions for this corporate place we gave them a right in and right out on 755 00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:49,360 enterprise got it okay so we gave them that so if I was coming southbound I 756 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,220 would turn left on the science park right on enterprise and then right into 757 00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:58,640 into that corporate place that would be the other driver that North 758 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:08,860 If I was driving down there, I would take the back of the van and wait until it turned left 759 00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:10,960 on Richmond, but they do have the other things. 760 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,480 A couple of things. 761 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:19,340 When this study was started, Pinecrest wasn't even envisioned, Van Aken District didn't 762 00:51:19,340 --> 00:51:22,080 exist, so I don't know about the future traffic. 763 00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:27,480 I can tell you that every administration surrounding us has all been in favor of this project. 764 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,140 I know that it doesn't cost them anything, but they've all been in favor of it. 765 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,500 And Woodmere is in the midst of it, driven down there, in the midst of widening the traffic 766 00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:37,360 going westbound. 767 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,360 So they're going to push all their traffic into Beechwood. 768 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:43,920 We're going to have to deal with, I don't know, later in the summer, all, and then 769 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,580 probably the kids' time. 770 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:53,180 So, sorry, in this picture then, traffic coming, heading east to west, out of the 771 00:51:53,180 --> 00:51:57,080 the next driveway, would they be able to go straight into 772 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,640 Brighton? No, right here, right now. 773 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,360 Especially if it's cul-de-sac. Well, no, but if it were 774 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,200 right now, yeah. No, if it were cul-de-sac, obviously. 775 00:52:12,190 --> 00:52:15,890 Is it okay if we move to item number three, in the interest of time? 776 00:52:16,510 --> 00:52:19,730 Okay. So are there any other matters 777 00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:21,710 coming before the safety and public health committee? 778 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,120 Seeing none. 779 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,680 but I'm going to make a motion to adjourn the meeting. 780 00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:31,300 Is that Mr. 781 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:32,540 Okay. 782 00:52:33,140 --> 00:52:33,580 All right. 783 00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:34,380 Mr. Isaacson. 784 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:34,700 Yes. 785 00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:35,220 Mr. Jacob. 786 00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:35,660 Yes. 787 00:52:35,860 --> 00:52:37,380 Mr. Cinnaberg. 788 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:37,780 Yes.