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[0:05] Well, welcome, everyone. We appreciate you being in court meetings. Looks like Mike has our invocation
[0:12] and pledge of allegiance, and we'll come the time to him.
[0:22] Our father in heaven, as we come
[0:24] before the of this night, Father, we pray that thy spirit will be in attendance here at
[0:29] this meeting. Father, we pray that the rain may fall upon us that we so desperately need
[0:38] in the water for our crops. Father, we thank thee for the opportunity we have to serve
[0:44] thee and pray for the citizens of Boxelter County and the water issues that we have that
[0:50] we may make wise decisions. We thank thee once again, Father, for all blessings which flow
[0:57] from the, and pray for these things, and do so in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
[1:10] I pledge allegiance to the high of the United States of America and to the Republic for which
[1:17] it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, new with liberty and justice for all.
[1:29] Thank you, Mike.
[1:30] I need conflicts of interest tonight because he declares.
[1:38] I don't know what the only existence is.
[1:43] If you need a minute, I'll read it.
[1:47] The end of that and we'll go when we want.
[1:50] We're going to take a motion to adopt the agenda and approve the minutes of May 27th, 2026.
[1:56] I'll move. We do that.
[1:58] I will second that.
[1:59] I have a motion in a second on the table while in favor.
[2:03] Aye.
[2:04] Any opposed?
[2:05] Motion passes.
[2:08] Apparently, Lyle stuck in Florida, so I do have a statement from him if you want me
[2:16] to read that.
[2:17] Sure.
[2:18] So Lyle sent me a text this morning from the Miami Airport.
[2:22] He said, let everyone know that I have reviewed the finances and find everything in order.
[2:26] I feel yeah,
[2:32] okay? We'll try and answer it. I have a number 5174. That's a payment
[2:39] to JUB for some engineering. $62,000 for any $3 and it says it's from Bear River Plan. It's an EIS study.
[2:47] Is that the one we talked about last month? And the question I have on that is part of that lower
[2:56] or a river plan, or river, is that,
[2:59] is that what DCIS is for?
[3:01] Yes.
[3:01] And so we pay in that money, because I understand
[3:03] and I have was that that was going to be where the clearing
[3:07] house, but that, but we're not the ones that are actually
[3:11] paying that.
[3:12] So it's just a pass-through.
[3:14] So we do pay JUB, but we get reimbursed.
[3:16] Yeah, we get reimbursed.
[3:19] NRCS?
[3:20] Yes, so I'm going to be on the non-operating income.
[3:24] Yeah, it's NRCS, the account number 5155, the federal grant, and then right below that is the
[3:34] VR Canal PL566.
[3:38] And that's where that income comes in. So we pay it out and then they send it back to us.
[3:43] I'm just curious if that's where it was and it's kind of like comfortable with that.
[3:50] So is it the same situation with the connection fee that was paid for $4,600 to a resident
[4:02] or an adress in Deweyville?
[4:07] No, that's not the same.
[4:10] What was it on the way?
[4:12] That we received from a resident?
[4:14] We paid it.
[4:16] We paid a resident.
[4:17] I don't remember paying any resident.
[4:18] Is it on your check register? Is that where you're looking at? Hold on one minute.
[4:34] Sorry, I'm having more time going on.
[4:36] You know where it's out, Brian? Check register? Yeah.
[4:42] It's on page two.
[4:51] Sorry, just take a minute to get this told up.
[5:00] Page two, did you say?
[5:02] I didn't see it on page two.
[5:04] No, it's not on page two.
[5:06] I just needed a mouth there, but it wasn't there.
[5:11] What's the check number again?
[5:12] I'll tell you this is going to be right here.
[5:15] I'll
[5:42] check number 5198.
[5:54] That's our ex-cognitive company that does our connections.
[5:59] And I'm wondering why we're paying that instead of having the residents?
[6:03] Well, they pay us.
[6:05] So that's a pass through again.
[6:06] That's my question.
[6:07] Yeah, yeah.
[6:08] Yeah, so we put a connection fee on the customer.
[6:12] Okay.
[6:13] Okay.
[6:14] That's what I was asking.
[6:16] Any
[6:19] other questions?
[6:22] Those clarifications are sufficient for both of you.
[6:27] I'd entertain a motion to accept the financials.
[6:32] Let me accept the financials as reported.
[6:35] It's been moved and seconded, all in favour?
[6:38] here. Hi. Hi. Any opposed? Action items tonight. We have Anderson Development, 200 units
[6:45] in Bothwell, and Anderson Family Representative. You want to come to the table and? Sure.
[6:53] Are we do I think? Right there at the front and center. Or wherever you're comfortable?
[7:06] We were in here a year ago on a little serve for a property and I believe that later was for a year.
[7:15] We're trying to see if we can extend that a year.
[7:21] Anything you want to add to that?
[7:25] chance or around the question anybody has say have the original and in your
[7:33] packets the original will serve letter that was provided for the Anderson family
[7:37] all those same conditions that applied with that original will serve which I've
[7:41] got got here all those same contingency still apply and you have a petition
[7:51] no there's only good for one year and then you have to come back and and repotitions
[7:55] That's just what this is.
[7:57] What is it?
[7:58] What's the reason?
[7:58] How?
[7:59] Nothing.
[8:00] It's complicated.
[8:01] Yeah.
[8:04] We've had answers with two or three parties.
[8:07] And the economies of scale what we need to make that work and bring out water and water.
[8:14] We're still struggling with a little bit.
[8:17] Dr. Rambe and he's, I want to say he's lost enthusiasm.
[8:23] He says, if you made me work with, I'll participate as well, but we've got a group in
[8:30] light, and then the group is so late, and it's
[8:36] just complicated and need no more time.
[8:40] So has anything changed as far as water commitments in that year's time frame that we have, so water
[8:46] is available as you know, there's nothing to do.
[8:51] Yeah, if you remember right, we had a hands-on and loose do some modeling and quite a bit of infrastructure would need to be built by the Anderson family and other developers to make it happen which is, you can see here in the will serve letter.
[9:08] The family would be forced to follow what our engineers have advised and so on.
[9:14] I spoke last year, there was some of the line that was going to be built by the
[9:20] conservancy at a point in time. I'm curious where that's at.
[9:28] It's engineered and shovel ready, but the district doesn't build infrastructure
[9:33] without real commitments. And so, so we, there's lots of things that are
[9:38] talked about out there, but nobody's really stepped up to force the construction of
[9:44] that, just yet. But it's your already could go tomorrow.
[9:48] Have they paid their down payment to receive this water?
[9:53] Nope. Nope. No, they haven't paid any impact fees.
[9:57] And our water is on a first come first or basis. So if someone
[10:00] came in next meeting and actually committed to the water and
[10:04] paid for it. Are we waiting for Anderson to make a commitment
[10:07] on a monetary or financial statement?
[10:10] Absolutely.
[10:10] see before we can. Yeah, the Anderson family and many other developments out in that area,
[10:15] including Tremont City.
[10:21] Gentlemen, we just found you think a little more time. I hope I'm not
[10:24] here next year saying we need another year, but we've done, we've got quite a bit accomplished,
[10:32] but we'd like to continue on. I'd make a motion, stuff that's changed, and we've
[10:39] Approved it on your extension for the Anderson family.
[10:44] I'll second it.
[10:46] We've moved and seconded that we make the one-year extension for the Anderson family development.
[10:52] All in favor?
[10:53] Aye.
[10:54] Any opposed?
[10:56] Motion passes.
[10:57] Thank you.
[11:00] Thank you very much.
[11:01] Thank you.
[11:05] The Sunset Vista subdivision.
[11:09] You're not in Mortensen?
[11:17] Welcome.
[11:18] Thank you.
[11:19] I'm Bruno Mortensen.
[11:20] Good to meet you all.
[11:24] Let's see here.
[11:25] I've got some.
[11:26] I like your shirt.
[11:27] Thank you.
[11:28] I like your shirt.
[11:30] That was natural way to go.
[11:32] Did you guys call me?
[11:37] Let's see.
[11:38] I have some notes.
[11:39] Did you say you're going to do a background on this first?
[11:43] No, I'll just turn it over to you if you want to explain.
[11:46] Okay, the location. I'll bring up whatever you need.
[11:49] Sure. And there was a packet.
[11:52] I prepared a couple of pages of bullet points and notes about this little development.
[11:59] And if there was a packet, people had a chance to glance at it.
[12:03] Were there any things initially?
[12:05] Or the questions, the comments that anybody would like me to touch on or just go through what I have first?
[12:15] Start with that.
[12:15] Yeah.
[12:16] Yeah.
[12:17] Okay.
[12:19] Let's see.
[12:20] I'm just going to give you a little bit of brief, very brief background about myself.
[12:24] I'm originally from Colville, Utah.
[12:26] It's where I grew up, and then I tend to school in Utah State in Logan, Tello, 5, and I had
[12:32] at home in North Odden until 2016, and then moved to South Wheeler.
[12:36] So I've been in Box Elder County enjoying life here for the last 10 years.
[12:41] obviously spent a lot of time before then and I'm like, everybody here, I assume
[12:48] loves the quality of life here and the rural atmosphere and drying around, you know, I love
[12:57] seeing the open fields in the open space and don't like to see, you know, when I see a
[13:02] lot of it getting plowed up, fortunately we haven't had much of that yet, but one of the
[13:07] things about developments. I'm not a long-term, long-time professional developer. I just did a nice
[13:18] little one by my home in South Lillard, where we extended the street on 10 acres that I had
[13:26] purchased from the school district recently. And it's just going to keep the same look and feel on a
[13:35] of the half-acre logs like I live on there in South Wheeler.
[13:39] And so I feel like a lot of the multi-family housing
[13:43] and things like that, you see going in different places
[13:46] other than like some isolated pockets in the cities
[13:49] where they're allowed and it doesn't really fit
[13:50] well with Boxilla County.
[13:52] So in fact, when I was thinking about this one
[13:55] or some other ones that I work on like this,
[13:59] the Boxilla County general plan states
[14:02] that it protects opportunities to live in a rural atmosphere through decisions that support
[14:07] our farmers and ranchers and their agricultural stewardship by encouraging developments
[14:12] on ground that isn't well-suited for agriculture and focus most of the growth in our near existing
[14:17] cities and towns.
[14:19] So this one, the nice thing about this, is it checks all those boxes, it's not a high-density
[14:26] the development. It is a narrow and existing community and it's got single family homes
[14:33] in a rural setting on ground that's not well suited for agricultural uses. And I dug
[14:41] the test holes for the sewer system or the septic feasibility letter. The septic test holes
[14:51] And it's like Rocky not even a foot underground. I mean, I was struggling with my it's a pretty good mini-expert
[15:00] I was having a hard time getting down. So nobody's going to go plough it up and grow any crops there. I can tell you that. So I've got some more thoughts on that. But what I've done here is just laid it out. And it happens to be if you look through the notes on it. It's right there north of Deweyville in an area that I really like. And this very ever water conservancy district, you guys have a pump house on actual
[15:29] property itself. So we had a pre
[15:38] -petition meeting and so I should back up a
[15:44] little bit and say that what I've put together here these are all over half
[15:50] acre lots. Obviously in the county code they have to be at least point out
[15:55] square cutter and half a through to half a septic system. So these are all approximately
[16:02] 21,000 square feet.
[16:06] You can see how that comes in and just shows a temporary turnaround
[16:10] because the piece there is part of it that's in the town, a Deweyville, but I don't know
[16:15] what to do or have plans on that one. Immediately this is just on a piece that's in an incorporate
[16:20] a box of the county.
[16:25] And so then on section 4 of my notes as it relates to
[16:29] variable water, conservancy districts, water service policy. It says that you
[16:41] consider each position on individual basis, state and dental location costs, the
[16:46] impact water supplies and system capacity.
[16:49] So I wanted to touch briefly on each.
[16:51] The location is within the service area,
[16:55] but it's not within the boundary of another public water
[16:57] system.
[16:59] The second one is cost, which would be minimal.
[17:02] And it should result in revenue to the water district
[17:06] through the connection fees and the recurring service
[17:09] provided each lot and result in zero cost to the district.
[17:14] And the impact is minimal of any where there's already an existing pump house that exists on the actual property.
[17:24] Fourth one is water supplies.
[17:27] Again, we looked at that. The district floor supplies far exceeds the needs for this development.
[17:35] System capacity is more than sufficient for the project needs.
[17:39] and at our pre-petition meeting, we noted that there's 12 inch main lines
[17:45] to and from the pump house that I think at the time was around 116 psi.
[17:51] So we can determine that providing the service will be a problem.
[17:59] In summary, I think it's a pretty straightforward proposal on petition for water service.
[18:05] I feel like each of the criteria for riding the water
[18:09] serves is easily met, possibly more easy than any previous petition in history, I
[18:15] guess since the water is already on the parcel. And so we have good opportunity
[18:21] for a good work in relationship work, so you get there's neighbors that location
[18:25] going forward. I also am excited about this because it checks the boxes of the
[18:31] county's objectives with it being in close proximity to an existing community
[18:36] and by keeping it in the farm ground open rather than building home down on good
[18:43] farm ground.
[18:48] How long have you owned the property? How long have you owned it? I haven't
[18:53] closed on it yet. I'm still in the I'm working on closing here within the next
[18:57] month. I've got a letter. Same thing happened with the piece I purchased in
[19:02] South Wheeler, I got work through my process on that development there and then closed
[19:09] on it. Most of that work had been completed.
[19:14] What was the mayor to go to think about?
[19:16] I'm not the mayor anymore, former mayor. Former mayor, okay.
[19:23] There was a letter that
[19:24] we built to climb the water. Did they do that just because it's not in our boundaries?
[19:29] Well, they didn't actually decline the water. They told me that they had plenty of water
[19:33] But they would have needed what they declined was the annexation and there were people who I needed to have zoning for
[19:43] 20,000 square foot lots into my
[19:46] dismay and I didn't know I mean the stuff you learn to work into the process they don't have
[19:51] Zoning for half-fated lots their smallest one in the county does the R120 zoning like I have by my home in South
[20:00] but the smallest residential zone in New Haven was an 8th of an 8th year, so 35,000 square
[20:07] full lots, and so what they declined was the annexation, and there were quite a few
[20:13] people that didn't want to adopt the 20,000 square foot.
[20:22] So how many, if you did the zoning to meet New Haven's request, how many lots would you be able to do that?
[20:31] Well, they'd still have to annex it and then we'd have to zone it as that 35,000 square foot.
[20:41] I think it showed B-I-H.
[20:44] It was what?
[20:45] 0.85 of an anchor.
[20:47] 0.85 of an anchor?
[20:48] Yeah.
[20:48] Okay.
[20:51] Yeah, that math works better.
[20:53] I thought it was 0.8 of an anchor and I did the math today and it looked, it came out closer
[20:56] to the point.
[20:57] Yeah, it's .85.
[20:59] Either way, I think your bill is time to go.
[21:02] You'd have 11 if we included that 2.5284 parcel at the bottom that's in the town.
[21:09] And right now, we can do 12 just on the portion that's in Baxle, County.
[21:21] And I did want, I had one more comment about that.
[21:25] I don't, when I had, I shared a nice little, I thought it was a nice PowerPoint presentation
[21:31] with the Planning and Zoning Commission in New York and also the Town Council and everybody
[21:38] was like, this looks great, they were like, everybody was very positive, like after I did
[21:44] share it with the Planning Commission they said, put him on the agenda for next week and
[21:50] have him share it with the Town Council and so I came back and did that.
[21:53] And then, but in order to annex and have, especially have the reason that that town hearing, so then people came out and I decided not to attend just so it could be a neutral thing.
[22:07] It's probably a bad decision, but then people came out and they're like, well, we want to keep maintaining the rural field here, we want to have the open space.
[22:16] I'm like I had a whole slide on my presentation saying the same thing like that's why I like
[22:21] Boxel the county and
[22:23] So since then I've looked and done some research and there's actually over 20 parcels in the town boundaries
[22:29] They're half acre or smaller
[22:31] Most of them are really close to this developer and so
[22:35] And I will just say on the top of Deweyville they were all created before we even had that's true
[22:46] That's right, I'm just saying they exist and everybody still feels like it's rural.
[22:51] My position is this isn't going to change the rural field.
[22:54] In fact, this property is going to end up there digging the test holes for the septic
[22:59] feasibility letter.
[23:00] You can only see like one town straight line of sight visually one house that's even inside
[23:06] the town boundaries.
[23:07] The other homes, three or an unincorporate boxhill of county do trees and then a couple others
[23:13] and they look way over top of this.
[23:15] So to me, it's in a perfect location,
[23:18] as far as being close to existing community,
[23:22] it's not gonna diminish anybody's quality of life
[23:25] by any stretch.
[23:26] And the other thing I got thinking about too
[23:28] the other day that I did some math on this before the meeting.
[23:32] Like a lot of times people think,
[23:34] well, lower density zones,
[23:38] like the two acre zones and the five acre zones,
[23:40] that it keeps the feel more rural, well, kind of, but in certain ways that's completely not true
[23:50] because we know we have people want to move to the county because they want to enjoy the same quality life that we all have.
[23:57] But like in this example, we can fit 12 lots on 7.67 acre piece of ground. It's not usable for farm ground.
[24:06] But to put those same 12 lots on two-acre zone, we had two acres only, you'd have to have
[24:16] like 29 or 30 acres, probably a good farm ground by the time you put in your infrastructure
[24:22] for your development.
[24:23] And if it was five acres, it's even worse because they would be like 69 acres to have the
[24:30] same 12 single-family homes.
[24:31] And so to me, I think it's a home run as far as preserving e-mails counterintuitive, it preserves open space and makes it so some guy doesn't go put in 12 single family homes on the two acres on eight or five acres only when you can get.
[24:48] And you still have, as I like to say, you can't shake hands with your neighbor out the window. You still have a little bit of room, you know, so I think it's great.
[25:08] I think we better turn this meeting around a little bit, it's starting to sound like a planning commission meeting instead of a water providing meeting tonight, so I'd like to stick to the agenda, whether the Conservancy is willing to do a well-served letter.
[25:28] or not worry about his other items that we're spending so much time talking about.
[25:34] I apologize.
[25:35] I have a tendency to go off on attendance and get out of my way.
[25:37] That's all right.
[25:38] We need an answer.
[25:39] So it's currently zone for what?
[25:40] Just unzoned in the county or zone for what's the zone going on?
[25:44] I don't see.
[25:44] I believe it's, isn't it?
[25:46] Act 40?
[25:47] No.
[25:48] Is it RR2?
[25:50] Is what we thought.
[25:52] Your letter says A40.
[25:53] The one that came from, I think that's the one that's in the 2.52 acres in the town was the 840.
[26:00] I think the no-surveller, I think, identifies it.
[26:04] Oh, what?
[26:05] That's my question.
[26:06] What's it currently, zone?
[26:09] Yeah.
[26:09] I think it's 840.
[26:11] I believe that is our two, the piece that's in the county, but I'm looking for that for you right now.
[26:18] says here it's currently a no serve letter says AG that's 40 so from do you so
[26:27] to Brian's point I don't know that that's necessarily our concern it's not
[26:32] that's what I could say we need to decide whether it would just serve the
[26:34] water or not as long as the county improves the development yeah so I have a
[26:39] question that kind of deals with this but I know that districts intent is to be a
[26:45] wholesaler, not a retailer. And how does that fit in this? We're doing bills, right?
[26:52] I mean, basically, it looks like that line is right on the bottom there. How's that fit?
[26:58] Well, what we see in the district, that's the problem you have is where do you bill? You'd have
[27:05] the wholesale, but the county, but the county's probably not going to give them the water business.
[27:11] Because you've got a wholesale to whoever it's providing, you know,
[27:14] So like down in South Wheeler, we have subdivisions that we've annexed and we're going to wholesale
[27:20] water but Wheeler is going to provide the water, we'll sell it from you guys and sell it to the
[27:28] subdivision. Here's another spot it doesn't work because they're in the county. Another thought is
[27:34] Conservancy's buying water from Deweyville. We want to turn right back around and sell it to
[27:39] something to their neighbor? Well you can because your water policy allows you to sell it to me
[27:46] it's just a retail sale or instead a wholesale but in the water policy it talks about retail
[27:55] petitions for new retail water service to resident commercial entity industrial or new development area
[28:01] or wholesale. You have the order to retail me water I just have to pay more than if you're wholesale
[28:07] somebody.
[28:11] But you've maintained the system then. Well, I did it back to you guys. So I have to pay for all the infrastructure costs to do it.
[28:21] But I think we would have to maintain that system then wouldn't we?
[28:24] Another basically a question is, even though there's a pump on the property here near the property,
[28:30] that doesn't mean that's not a treatment plan or anything and it have to go to it.
[28:35] Where's the closest where the water comes from?
[28:38] to come from district sources that are just a little bit further south or
[28:44] south, sorry. And then it would be treated where? At that booster station. There's a
[28:51] treatment plan after that property, that pump pass. It's not a treatment. It's just
[28:55] chlorine. That's where we chlorinate the water. Okay. So south of that booster station
[28:59] is what we call raw water. Everything north is finished water. And our first
[29:04] This district retail customer is 400 feet up the road from this location.
[29:08] And it would reservoir would be south or north?
[29:13] The reservoir is clear north.
[29:16] So on the south of the pump station we have, that's our low pressure zone.
[29:20] And so for this development they'd have to tie onto the high pressure side of the pump station
[29:24] and it would just back feed.
[29:25] So you wouldn't have to go back to the reservoir and then pump back?
[29:29] No, it would just naturally feed via gravity.
[29:33] I have one more thing I'd like to say and then I'll be done.
[29:37] I think we really should consider a feasibility study because I go back to my days of UConn.
[29:49] UConn has a contract with the Conservancy District to provide water to them up until 2036,
[29:56] I believe, and uh...
[30:01] So, Deweyville has, we got a letter from the Conservancy District stating that there might be a chance that Deweyville would not provide water. And that's why that, um, was it the flat canyon well was dug? Yes. Now, a couple of years ago, a couple of years ago. And so, flat canyon well didn't produce very well. It may only. So, I'm saying, if Deweyville
[30:31] both chooses not to continue to serve the district.
[30:36] We need to know we have additional capacity to add customers to it and do we have the,
[30:43] is it in our policy to do feasibility studies when these type of things become requested?
[30:51] So the studies have already been done, even on just the district existing source,
[30:55] flat canyon it has the capacity for over 200 and I think don't quote in the 240s as
[31:01] far as even if do we build chooses not an honor to contract anymore yep yep so
[31:07] you can meet your contract rule agreements plus that more customers to it that's
[31:13] correct yep that's correct I
[31:23] just look at it with our agreements then purchasing
[31:27] water from Deweyville. Like I just I've got nothing against this project but I just think we need to be
[31:35] careful with all we're doing with buying water from Deweyville and then going back around and that's just my opinion.
[31:45] Say and an ideal situation this would be identical to what we're doing down in South
[31:50] Wheeler. We wholesale the water to Wheeler City and Wheeler City retells it. That's the that's the Goldie
[31:56] Yeah, do you bill would step up and say approve this then you would be
[32:00] whole safe.
[32:01] I wanted to do a bill and get that bill.
[32:02] That's easy.
[32:03] It's easy.
[32:03] It could happen.
[32:04] Nothing in the development changes.
[32:06] It just happens.
[32:07] But do he.
[32:07] But do he's retarded?
[32:08] Yeah.
[32:09] I've talked to do we bill.
[32:11] And they said absolutely no.
[32:14] Let's see.
[32:15] That's the hard part because with do we bill kind of bowing out of it?
[32:19] And the problem is that's probably in do we bill's annexation zone?
[32:25] Yes, it is.
[32:26] And so they're going to have an island in their city someday that's going to have this little
[32:32] nothing in it, and that isn't very good looking forward for them, you know what I'm saying.
[32:39] So, now that's just the outside first look at it in.
[32:45] But water, the water issue is it doesn't sound like we're in a place where we can't supply
[32:52] them the water.
[32:53] Well the question is whether we, or we want to get away from retail connections and
[33:00] wholesale water shall, or we still bound by honoring and retail connection, request.
[33:07] What would it be?
[33:08] I think so.
[33:09] What would it be?
[33:09] We're following.
[33:10] We're following policy.
[33:12] The policy says we can.
[33:14] Yeah.
[33:14] It says we can, but we've been trying, I mean, I know, it's more ideal to be wholesale, I
[33:19] guess, the direction that we can definitely.
[33:21] Does this create more problems for our district to have something like this on our victim?
[33:26] You're going to have these come from time to time in different places.
[33:29] What does that do to us?
[33:30] I don't like seeing the district in the situation at all.
[33:32] And I talked to Vernon about this.
[33:34] This is always puts us in a contentious spot.
[33:38] But our policy allows for when a retail customer is denied service by the closest town,
[33:45] the next step is to come to us.
[33:47] And Vernon's following that policy tonight.
[33:50] But I don't like it.
[33:51] I have no other option.
[33:53] I mean, if it's not within an existing water utility,
[33:58] but it's in your service district,
[33:59] you're the ones I come to.
[34:00] Because that's the only thing that's, you know,
[34:06] the role of the district to provide water on it
[34:08] where else to go and ask for water.
[34:11] Kelly?
[34:12] I'm just wondering.
[34:13] It seems like the car before the horse a little bit here.
[34:16] I mean this obviously needs to be rezoned and I wonder if we were to give a
[34:22] wheel serve letter if we could put that contingent on the county coming back
[34:27] and stand that after a zone needs to take place because obviously that's going to
[34:32] take place before we can do anything else. And that's my biggest grief with the
[34:36] county is all Vernon has to come do this first and the county requires him to do
[34:41] this just to move that that zoning process forward.
[34:43] We put a letter though that we will serve letter based on that contingency.
[34:47] Absolutely.
[34:48] Is that an option that we can do?
[34:49] Absolutely.
[34:50] Or can you continue to put them approved in the development?
[34:53] Yeah, I don't have a problem with that at all having it with a contingency.
[34:57] But right now without water, he can't even try.
[34:59] Sure.
[35:00] Yeah, he can.
[35:01] There's nothing he can do the way.
[35:02] Did you have to have a will serve letter at South Liverpool?
[35:05] To the county.
[35:06] From Liverpool City.
[35:07] I know you have that from South Liverpool to Washington.
[35:09] You might street.
[35:10] Yeah, they're on the right there next to you.
[35:12] Yeah.
[35:12] Yeah, our street but you have a will serve letters so why do the county before I allowed that to turn in with my pack?
[35:19] Yeah, so
[35:22] and to Brian's point we're not approving a development tonight
[35:25] That he's still burning still got a lot of work to go through zoning and everything else the counties though on the wouldn't inevitably
[35:32] approve the development not us
[35:34] That's right. So if we enter into a will serve for a contract for a period of like a year like we just did
[35:40] Yeah, exactly something like this. Yeah, yeah
[35:42] The well-served that we just approved has contingencies just like Kelly's mentioning and
[35:49] no one that it's first come first serve somebody comes in once water
[35:53] While they're still in the planet
[35:56] It's too late. Yeah
[35:59] So does any of this south water south of Deweyville make it all the way through
[36:05] Do you go all of it?
[36:07] Huge portion of it. I
[36:12] just think about what we're at that does make me a little bit nervous there
[36:23] But we have water to meet for obligations, correct?
[36:31] Well, then I don't see.
[36:32] We have a lot of choice to deny this.
[36:35] I think we should move forward.
[36:37] But I've made that motion.
[36:38] We make a will serve letter for the.
[36:42] What is it?
[36:42] Sunset, Mr. Subhibition.
[36:46] For a year.
[36:49] I'll make that motion.
[36:51] I will second it.
[36:53] Can we add that contingency into the bridge of that building?
[36:56] Yeah, absolutely.
[36:57] I don't want them to add that in there.
[36:58] Yeah, I can help get them.
[36:59] It's all getting permitted.
[37:01] Yeah, and all petitions like this is a conditional approval is what this is.
[37:05] Vernon still as he moves forward, he'll come back before the board.
[37:09] Just like we did at our last meeting with the Hawkeway bench.
[37:13] If he gets further on in the process, he still has to come back for final approval from the board.
[37:19] So this is not the last time we'll see Vernon.
[37:23] Unfortunately for everyone.
[37:27] The point of clarification, I just pulled up that letter from a duty bill.
[37:31] My proposal was introducing half acre zone and then re-zoning the two acres from the current ad 40.
[37:39] So I think it's the two that's in Deweyville, it was Ag 40, but the one, either way it doesn't
[37:45] matter.
[37:46] It would have to be changed to the zoning to allow us either way, I just read in that because
[37:51] I thought I remembered the county piece we thought was RR2, but either way it's going
[37:59] to be conditioned on them approving the development and having the correct zoning to do the development
[38:05] like you said.
[38:09] There's a motion on the table.
[38:11] Any other discussion?
[38:12] If not, I'll call for vote.
[38:14] Colin Favour?
[38:16] Aye.
[38:16] Aye.
[38:18] Opposed?
[38:19] Motion passes.
[38:23] Thank you, Vernon.
[38:24] Appreciate your thanks for all your comments.
[38:26] I appreciate that.
[38:30] We're to the Lower Bare River Watershed Plan Agreement.
[38:34] Amin Boswell.
[38:38] I'm Amin Boswell.
[38:39] I'm the Watershed Program Manager for the NRCS.
[38:43] for the state. I believe this agreement was presented to you before, and one of the
[38:50] issues that you had was it had just your entity on there as a sponsor, and so
[38:57] after meeting with Chase, Chance, we put all of the, there's nine sponsors on here,
[39:07] so that way it's not just singling you guys out.
[39:12] So what this agreement does do,
[39:14] just to kind of put your mines at rest a little bit.
[39:20] So the verbiage of here is basically the plan
[39:24] that we developed for how many every year it was.
[39:28] It just says, we hereby agree, so the NRCS and the sponsors,
[39:32] hereby agree on this watershed project plan.
[39:35] So that's the draft plan that was presented and that the works of improvement for this project will be installed, operated, and maintained in accordance with the terms, conditions, and stipulations provided in this plan and including in the following.
[39:51] So they basically this, what you're signing here is these are the terms that you would
[39:58] be agreeing to when you install.
[40:01] This doesn't financially tie you to anything right now, it doesn't tie you to any operation
[40:09] and maintenance right now, but it does lay out for operation and maintenance.
[40:15] So for example, operation and maintenance, that it would be for 100 years, the project life would be for 100 years.
[40:27] So those are the types of things you're doing.
[40:30] In terms of the cost year, because we added all of the sponsors, basically what this table and the numbers that it's presenting
[40:41] is just a representation of what the percentages would be, right, because these are so preliminary,
[40:52] they're based off of estimates. So they list the numbers of, hey, this is our best guess
[40:58] of what this will cost, and these are the percentages or the distribution of funds among NRCS and then the
[41:07] partners, but it doesn't necessarily say, hey, you're tied to this, this amount. So before
[41:14] then you would have to go through the design phase and then in the construction phase and
[41:19] that's what I want to point out here. So in number 11, it says a separate agreement will
[41:25] be entered into between NRCS and the sponsors before either party initiates work involving
[41:31] funds of the other party. Such agreements will set forth in detail the financial and working
[41:38] arrangements and other conditions that are applicable to the specific works of improvement.
[41:43] So, again, not financially binding now, just kind of laying out like, hey, this is what
[41:49] to expect.
[41:50] These are the percentages, this is what the operation and maintenance terms look like.
[41:57] And so, that's it.
[42:01] Any questions?
[42:05] We did, and that was our big question.
[42:07] This looks a lot better than the sole sponsor we did,
[42:10] but there were a lot of other hidden balls.
[42:12] So, let's clarify.
[42:13] Yep.
[42:14] We just want to bring it back before the board.
[42:16] Now, let's be clarified.
[42:19] Okay, yeah, we spent a long time on this thing.
[42:21] Yeah, it's time.
[42:23] So, now you've got what?
[42:24] 10 different entities on the here.
[42:26] I think they're nine.
[42:29] Could you just tell me in a nutshell what some of the projects might look like in the future?
[42:36] I don't know all the works of it.
[42:38] I'm going to say that there.
[42:39] Big much.
[42:41] Tell me one.
[42:43] You're guys.
[42:44] There's like sections of the canal.
[42:47] The canal being pipe where there's a bunch of erosion.
[42:52] Okay.
[42:53] There's that.
[42:55] I think there's like levies and stuff down by the bird refuge.
[42:59] There's.
[43:00] Okay.
[43:08] Okay, that's good. I just wanted to give you an idea of what's going on.
[43:12] Okay.
[43:14] Well, a lot of pipe canals.
[43:16] Sure.
[43:17] We had a attorney review this.
[43:23] No.
[43:23] No, we have not.
[43:28] You're comfortable with language, don't you?
[43:30] Yeah.
[43:30] Like I said, this just gets us this far.
[43:35] Once they actually go into engineering
[43:37] and develop the projects and construct the projects,
[43:40] all the individual sponsors will have to enter
[43:43] into individual agreements within RCS.
[43:46] Well, so the sponsors in order for us to go to construction,
[43:52] the sponsor has to have taxing authority
[43:56] and imminent domain.
[43:57] And so, that's why your entity is the Ed entity.
[44:04] So even when we come to the construction part, what that's going to look like is you're
[44:11] going to probably have some kind of inter-, into some kind of agreement which eat with each
[44:15] entity and kind of be a pass through, right?
[44:18] I mean, you're kind of like what you're doing for other things.
[44:21] You're going to be the entity that is the pass through and you're going to have a memorandum
[44:26] understanding or agreement that you're not financially you know that for this entity they're
[44:32] going to be the ones in charge of financial aid or over operation of maintenance so just
[44:40] to be completely upfront. The county did something like this seven week well when I was a commissioner
[44:48] to rebuild all those levees and flood controls in Blue Creek and the county became the
[44:58] pass through. And then the
[45:01] Then the service district out there collected the taxes to pay for the repairs. And so I do get it. I understand what you're doing now.
[45:13] Any other questions?
[45:33] our ag water management projects and so the cost share is 75% 25% on those 270
[45:43] drive yeah up to 75 and then what is that how much in our sases with your already
[45:48] player yeah so so like on other purposes flood like flood protection water
[45:54] prevention type purposes those are covered 100% through the NRCS but but
[46:00] depending on the purpose and I don't remember what all the
[46:02] purposes are for this particular project but I'm pretty sure
[46:06] majority of them were Ag Water Management.
[46:10] Under these projects become a ranking thing that
[46:15] are aligned with priority type.
[46:18] Okay so the plan includes all of the improvements
[46:24] that gets authorized by the chief.
[46:27] At that point we go into design
[46:29] and then it kind of depends on after design that's where you want to be is we want
[46:36] to go through design because that's paid you know when we get the kind of like a
[46:41] scoping fee from our from you folks that have gotten from an A&E from then we say
[46:49] okay yeah we cover up to a hundred percent of what was in the agreement and then
[46:56] And at that point when the design is completed,
[47:02] we then can phase projects.
[47:09] So there's eight different, you know, nine different entities.
[47:12] They may not all have the ability to do it right then or at that time, so you can go
[47:18] into phases.
[47:19] Okay.
[47:23] So what do we need, Jay, a motion to discuss this before I went to the, this was the reason
[47:30] in ways of revealing it.
[47:32] Yeah.
[47:33] And you're good with it.
[47:34] You just need a motion to,
[47:36] oh my God, this morning we'll go ahead.
[47:37] That will have a very exciting agreement, right?
[47:39] The chairman.
[47:40] Yeah, the chairman.
[47:40] I'm not the chairman.
[47:41] We'll go, the lower mayor of watershed plan agreement.
[47:45] All right, we'll second that.
[47:47] It's been moved and seconded, all in favor.
[47:49] Hi.
[47:50] Any opposed?
[47:54] Thanks, Evan.
[47:55] Thanks, Evan.
[47:56] Appreciate you.
[48:00] We welcome Riggum City. It looks like Derek's going to...
[48:04] How about a good drink of water?
[48:08] It's a little stronger.
[48:14] For
[48:25] team, Mr. Chair, it gets sourced.
[48:27] Let's just roll right ahead.
[48:28] We can't hear you anyway.
[48:31] Chance has got my power point.
[48:33] Mayor Boats asked me to do a little presentation tonight
[48:36] about a proposal for Wrigam City has got for the Conservancy District we met last week
[48:43] with your executive committee so if you view it's going to be a repeat tonight I'll go into
[48:48] a little bit more color I guess night for the public meeting. Pictures for me right? Yeah I'm very
[48:53] many so now I'm grateful to be here and chat about this kind of a cool unique opportunity maybe
[49:01] for the district and bring them City Corporation to discuss and we're excited about it so we're
[49:06] actually here tonight to discuss Brigham City Corporation mentoring into a
[49:11] short-term wholesale purchase agreement for some water out of the Harper Ward
[49:16] well that you guys have been successful in getting online less than a month ago
[49:22] right chance yeah so yeah I think chances excited the data about switch the
[49:30] other way and our board is on your own water system so it's been many years you
[49:34] go to the next one chance. So Brigham City right now we currently our water system currently
[49:41] serves about 20,000 and 23,000 residents. We have a max capacity roughly 18 to 20 million
[49:48] gallons a day of water through our system. 60 to roughly 6,800 connections. The reason
[49:54] I'm here tonight is Brigham City Corporation has just over 3,000 entitled residential units
[50:01] that are going to be coming online over the next five to 10 years and that
[50:07] growth is the reason I'm here today to discuss and I think I'll go into this
[50:15] a little bit more going to go to the next slide so if you look at the
[50:18] Conservancy District obviously it's been here since 1988 you guys should be
[50:24] fully aware that you guys are providing your retail municipal and industrial
[50:28] We'll supply it as you know Riverside,
[50:30] Turing, North Gardening,
[50:31] you'd call in St. South, Willard, et cetera.
[50:34] And you know, most of your connections are wholesale.
[50:37] And that's exactly what we're here to talk about tonight.
[50:41] And you know that we just participated
[50:43] in your county-wide, Doug County-wide master plan.
[50:47] And I don't think any of us had,
[50:49] me included, had this conversation on our bingo card
[50:53] when we went through that process.
[50:54] But here we are chatting about it tonight.
[50:56] So good chance. I've taken a look at your guys' kind of whole self-pricing. You'll see this number in a minute, but you guys have been doing some rate increases over the past few years.
[51:09] I hope I got that right chance. Might be a couple of cents off on some of them, but we're right there at 493 and change in the current whole self-pricing per acre foot on a go-forward.
[51:21] and that's obviously the district's rate set by this board.
[51:28] Roughly 3% increase is what you've seen historically.
[51:33] Yeah, it's a pretty safer.
[51:37] We did some math over the last 20 years and that's what inflation has been if you averaged
[51:41] out it's 2.7% and so the district board did instead of having to increase rates every year
[51:47] have public hearings they approved to do a 3% annual increase for 5 years up to 27 or 28 or is it even or 29?
[51:57] It was 5 years from 2 years ago. We should be able to see that man kind of go forward and think it's probably about 2 years ago so it's probably 3 more years.
[52:06] Yep, you got on that one. Yeah, good.
[52:08] But, you know, you look at the opportunity, like I think we're going to talk about
[52:16] here tonight and, you know, kind of the reasons for it, obviously, the bearer development
[52:19] something that was one of the biggest reasons that the bearer water conservancy district was
[52:24] formed.
[52:25] Now, I briefly mentioned the county wide master plan that we would recently went through
[52:29] and I think every single one of us in cities incorporated even little developments of private
[52:36] in the northern side of our county realize that we all got to work together to make the future
[52:41] of this county work water wise and I think you know that that opportunity and what we're
[52:46] here to present tonight is is in line with what the intent of that is and obviously when you look
[52:52] at infrastructure and sharing infrastructure breaking cities had a lot of emergency connections the other
[52:57] municipal water systems with even way prior to the the better water conservancy districts exist
[53:05] and all of those still exist today.
[53:08] And I think we can continue to do those types of things
[53:12] county-wide in the future.
[53:13] I know you guys are working on a lot of stuff
[53:15] in that kind of northern part of the county
[53:17] right now with Tremont.
[53:18] And so go ahead, Chance.
[53:20] So the kind of the punchline here is our official request.
[53:26] And like I said, we kind of chatted about this
[53:28] in your executive committee a week ago.
[53:30] So I got some of these numbers kind of dialed in with Chance.
[53:32] but we're breaking cities request is 1.2 million gallons of water a day from the
[53:38] art of reward system. The capacity of that is I'll put that on social media
[53:46] just kidding. So 800 gallons a minute I think that chance was comfortable with
[53:51] that if that's changing to discuss that one I'm done chance but it's approximately
[53:57] 23.6 acre feet of water a year. That would generate your current rates. That would be about
[54:04] a $662,000 yearly payment from bringing city corporation to the district.
[54:08] 3.68 daily. Correct. I said yearly. Thank you.
[54:16] The cash or mouth is the yearly figure though. Yes, that's correct.
[54:20] 3.68 acre feet would be daily, right? Yep, that's correct.
[54:22] Okay, all right.
[54:24] So the proposal when it's a little unique
[54:27] and we discuss this in our meeting last week.
[54:32] So when you guys normally sell wholesale water,
[54:35] there's an impact fee associated with it
[54:37] and there's a long term commitment.
[54:40] Brigham City's request is a short term commitment
[54:44] and I'll discuss the reasons for that in just a second
[54:46] but we're asking for a five year contract
[54:49] active 5-year renewal short-term agreement for the purchase of the water and
[54:55] we are asking for a 50% reduction in the whole cell rate with this short-term
[55:03] deal. A couple of reasons for that. First of all, short-term is not a long-term
[55:10] commitment, a long-term contract, which it may turn into. I discussed that with
[55:16] the executive committee last week that none of us know what the future holds, and none
[55:23] of us know the growth and development that's going to happen in our county.
[55:27] So we would like to leave that option on the table, want to go forward of potentially making
[55:32] it a permanent purchase, but not in that initial five-year term.
[55:38] Like I said before, the 3000-plus residential connections is the plan.
[55:42] And I think to provide a little color, and I'm going to jump out in front of this question
[55:50] because I got it in our executive committee last week.
[55:54] Bringing cities got plenty of water.
[55:56] Why are we sitting here?
[55:57] Why are we talking about this?
[55:59] Bringing cities got a lot of water because of a lot of people that existed long before me
[56:03] and the three gentlemen sitting there.
[56:05] Bringing cities, water system is what it is today because of people's foresight and future
[56:11] thinking and we feel like that's this is a continued step in that type of
[56:16] direction. We do have additional water rights available to put beneficial use
[56:21] but it is really expensive as you know to put some of those dollars on the
[56:27] ground immediately to produce some of those water rights and get those to
[56:31] beneficial use. Brigham City has currently got over $40 million out in
[56:37] projects with waters right now as we speak. I don't have the cash right now the
[56:42] drill and other well and this is a short-term opportunity for Brigham City and
[56:48] the district in my opinion on the can benefit both of us greatly. You know
[56:54] some of those benefits for both parties in my opinion are obviously cash to
[57:01] district immediately as we move forward with the purchase like this. I realize I'm sitting here
[57:09] asking for a discount on that and you know it's there's a reason for that it's because it's not
[57:14] necessarily an absolute have to but I will tell you that you know this I guess late spring or
[57:23] early summer we had a catastrophic failure of our spring source is coming out of my own way
[57:28] And there was about 30 days there that these three people and myself were looking each
[57:34] other wondering if we're going to have to do a slow to flow in Brigham City because
[57:40] of what was going on there.
[57:42] Those things happen, especially when you have as many sources as we do, the summer before
[57:47] the biggest producing well in the county which Brigham City homes was down for about 90 days.
[57:52] And it's a big deal when you're lost a source like that.
[57:55] when you're when you're putting 19 million gallons of water out in your
[57:58] community and so this is for redundancy this is to help us for situations like
[58:05] this and we also feel like it's a unique opportunity for the district to work
[58:11] with Brigham City Corporation. I don't want to go over spilled milk frankly but
[58:17] I've been in front of this board as it is representing Brigham City multiple
[58:21] multiple times in the past, and I think this is an opportunity for us to, as a district
[58:26] and bring them city corporations that put the past behind us and make some steps forward
[58:30] in the right direction. And that's why I'm here. I think a couple other things with
[58:34] redundancy. It's two ways. Chance understands this, and I'll give a chance, a chance. That's
[58:41] a tough one there. Sorry, a chance. To talk about it in a second, but that emergency connection
[58:47] and goes both ways, not hard-per-ward system.
[58:50] Our ability to feed the hard-per-ward system is obviously there.
[58:53] We've been doing it for 40 years,
[58:55] and if something was to happen to the hard-per-ward system
[58:58] or the hard-per-ward well,
[59:00] it's part of this agreement that Graeme City
[59:02] would honor an emergency connection to feed that way,
[59:06] as long as Canyon ULA is working
[59:09] and the pipeline coming out of Manoway
[59:11] is not ready to wash 89 down the canyon.
[59:13] Yeah, so I feel like you folks have missed anything.
[59:21] I think the chance probably to talk about the event that is ready for the well.
[59:26] Yeah, as we talk about redundancy, we have developed a really good source in Harper Ward.
[59:34] It's a month old.
[59:36] We don't know, there's no way of knowing for sure.
[59:38] I mean we've done all the engineering and preliminary work
[59:40] and spent I think just under $5 million
[59:44] developing that source, hoping that it'll be a good source forever,
[59:49] but we just don't know honestly.
[59:52] So redundancy is always a great thing.
[59:56] The district is a whole as we operate water systems throughout the county.
[1:00:01] We are people's fallback in all of our other water systems, but nobody backs us up. That being said, this agreement, or working with Brigham City here, it would be the only water system that we operate that would actually have a fallback plan.
[1:00:19] Very soon in the future, I think the Harperward system will provide water to West Crinn water.
[1:00:25] We've already committed 200 acre feet.
[1:00:27] Additional 200 acre feet to West Crinn waters were a total of 400 acre feet total coming from
[1:00:33] Harperward.
[1:00:34] I see.
[1:00:34] He is not.
[1:00:36] He is not.
[1:00:37] He's still working through some things, but they began taking water out of the Harperward system.
[1:00:45] Their current contract out of Both will allow them to move half of it to a harbor ward upon its completion,
[1:00:50] which we began working through the operations of doing that.
[1:00:54] Krin City has expressed interest in buying water from the district in the future.
[1:00:58] They're not ready to do so right now, but they do have one source that they could develop,
[1:01:03] but then after that they're out, so they would rely on the Conservancy District for future water after that time.
[1:01:10] So the district's going to make out, well I guess we've got Honeyville too.
[1:01:16] Honeyville hasn't expressed any interest, did you have a chance to talk to Bruce at all about that?
[1:01:20] But in conversations I've had with Bruce in the past, he feels that Honeyville's okay right now,
[1:01:25] but we all know your pipeline can break coming out of the canyon and things can change.
[1:01:31] And so there is a connection that the district could supply water to Honeyville in an emergency situation or also.
[1:01:38] And so I think redundancy is extremely important as we enter into different agreements and essentially pushing this water throughout this entire valley.
[1:01:50] Is that-
[1:02:07] We've been deducted for it to get to freedom cities.
[1:02:10] Yeah, we've done some high-level modeling and just capacity stuff.
[1:02:15] We need to nail that down, that's, we just didn't want to get way into the weeds before we had these discussions.
[1:02:21] But we do have ample water to make these deliveries, as we speak,
[1:02:31] that I miss anything.
[1:02:33] I guess, I don't think I would add chance in Fender and Krippen-Ranon, but this is a discussion to see whether or not the discussions move forward in negotiation and more.
[1:02:40] discovery on this, not so much a decision and I don't know whether or not this should
[1:02:43] be done at all.
[1:02:45] Yeah, and a chance, if you want to talk about that, it sounds like we're going to need
[1:02:48] a booster station with that request initially, but a chance and I discussed it, I'll speak
[1:02:57] for you, I guess, for a second, a chance and I discussed it, and we're going to need to spend
[1:03:01] engineering money on figuring out how to do it, neither one of us wants to spend any money
[1:03:05] the board is not supportive of the idea so and like I said we've just took a
[1:03:10] high-level approach here we can be of some order to Brigham City immediately
[1:03:15] there's about a 12 psi difference between our two cities but this volume of
[1:03:22] water would need pumping to achieve that so would that pump be Brigham
[1:03:28] cities or ours I would as I thought about in our conversations last week I think
[1:03:36] I think it would be hours where we're making commitments.
[1:03:39] The pump station would benefit more than just Brigham City.
[1:03:41] It would benefit all the other cities that could take water from us in the future.
[1:03:47] So I would think it would be hours.
[1:03:50] Where would that be at the south of the T that goes out
[1:03:56] to the Korean or north of the T?
[1:03:59] We'd go north.
[1:04:01] We'd go north.
[1:04:02] The hydrology of it once the engineers both Brigham City, the engineers and hours,
[1:04:05] Well, identify the most efficient location, but as I just roughly think about it, I'm thinking north,
[1:04:13] a number of miles north of both the west Korean connection and the Korean city connection.
[1:04:20] Yeah, I do have any details apparently exactly what he's made with. I'm all in favor of cooperation with the Brigham City and working out
[1:04:29] something we do here. A couple of questions I've got.
[1:04:32] Why the short-term agreement that you'll how come you're going on your five or ten years?
[1:04:36] What you go plans just bring the city's got additional water. It's put beneficial use
[1:04:42] so you know you have to make it it's a financial decision essentially so
[1:04:47] there's a tipping point with with every project financially and you know
[1:04:52] does it make sense for bring-and-see corporation to keep paying the district into
[1:04:56] perpetuity for $331,000 a year or put
[1:05:05] I see 662 here, but the proposal is 50% of it.
[1:05:11] That was going to be the next question.
[1:05:14] How do we justify, I mean, I'm willing to negotiate and deal with it.
[1:05:20] How do we tell our other wholesale customers?
[1:05:23] How do we justify, we're like a better word that we're selling.
[1:05:26] Bring them to the earth and we ain't giving them back.
[1:05:28] But we've got to have a good reason.
[1:05:30] It's a tree mine comes next month and they want their 50% discount, the water we're selling
[1:05:35] in for your sand.
[1:05:37] Yeah, that's great.
[1:05:39] The water comes back and said, wait a minute, you told me this price.
[1:05:41] So I got an idea on that.
[1:05:42] I think this is great, but what you mentioned you had $40 million in water projects out there
[1:05:49] right now.
[1:05:50] Why could we do some kind of, I think we need to keep that, we set their wholesale rate
[1:05:55] at a rate and we need to be consistent with it, whatever that rate is, but maybe we could
[1:05:59] You could do some kind of a, you could, we talked about doing a project and maybe helping
[1:06:02] you in a project and maybe get your, your value back.
[1:06:07] Yeah, and I felt, we felt like we did to do something for breakmen.
[1:06:09] And that goes back to that history we're talking about concerns and then some of the
[1:06:14] feelings about it.
[1:06:14] But you're something in time to where we would help find some of the things that I'm saying
[1:06:19] is working on sound.
[1:06:21] Yeah, all I'm saying is working on sound.
[1:06:22] Same for does, when it does is how are we going to explain that to anybody or other customers.
[1:06:26] I'm not ready to sell them the water, and if it's a short term deal that you don't need it, but I'm just wondering how I'm going to answer to somebody else, or wheelers aboard.
[1:06:39] If we got good reason, then I can defend it.
[1:06:42] Well, don't we keep the rate the same, and we help them out somewhere else.
[1:06:44] Well, I guess the request I officially made to the executive committee for even
[1:06:52] City will pay the $662,000 a year to the district. I'm asking for a reimbursement of up to
[1:06:58] $330,000 of $331,000 of that back for us to continue with our water projects for the terms
[1:07:05] of the contract. So 50% of it will be returned to the city for us to spend on water projects
[1:07:10] in the city. That's my specific request. That makes sense, because that goes to what
[1:07:15] you're talking about, Kelly. So what's your cost per acre on that water coming out of
[1:07:21] that new well? To produce it. I don't know yet, for sure. I haven't even got the first
[1:07:26] power bill off of it yet to know it. And especially at this level, that would be part of our analysis
[1:07:31] is to see with the pump efficiency and power bills. Yeah, that's one thing we don't want
[1:07:36] do is we dinner into this agreement but if we wind up with some additional
[1:07:42] costeter. Absolutely lunch and we might be on the backside of and that'd be
[1:07:46] that part of the discovery as we if we choose to move forward then that's
[1:07:52] why we're just talking at a pretty high level. I can't write down a set
[1:07:56] to go through the screen. So going back the 23,000 right out to get gate and 6,800
[1:08:03] connection is what you currently have and 20,000, 18, 20, and per day an additional 3,000 connections
[1:08:12] that's what we're looking at in the next five to ten years. That's what we currently
[1:08:15] have in title through zoning and approval of the city. Yeah, that was the word I wrote
[1:08:20] down in title. It title when it gets by taking what do you mean in title two?
[1:08:24] City Councils approved subdivisions and they're just waiting for construction. A lot of them
[1:08:30] We're growing in.
[1:08:31] You guys are growing pretty good.
[1:08:32] 3,000 new homes in the next building.
[1:08:38] You know any building inspectors?
[1:08:41] What happened?
[1:08:42] What's the name?
[1:08:42] He doesn't expect any more.
[1:08:46] I can't remember his name.
[1:08:47] He went to work for Chamber of the City.
[1:08:49] Oh, yeah.
[1:08:51] Kirk.
[1:08:52] Or, I didn't know that.
[1:08:56] Tim, I can answer your question.
[1:08:57] I think it's a board question, though.
[1:08:59] I don't think it's my role to answer the question of, I give you my opinion, of why it makes
[1:09:07] make sense to mean that Brigham City should get a 50% reduction in the purchase of temporary
[1:09:12] water as compared to Tremonton or somebody else's long-term commitment or the valve will
[1:09:18] never shut off and their subject impact fees.
[1:09:21] This is not that request.
[1:09:24] I'll look at it.
[1:09:25] I'm going to look at it.
[1:09:26] It's going to be different.
[1:09:27] Good reason to defend our decision if in fact we decided to go forward will have to defend
[1:09:31] it.
[1:09:32] Yeah.
[1:09:32] I mean at the point in time Brigham City would make this permanent if it did were subject
[1:09:36] every impact fee that anybody else is subject to and we're subject to the exact same rate.
[1:09:41] Okay.
[1:09:41] But that's the order.
[1:09:42] Board for temporary.
[1:09:43] The shorty comes permanent and you're going to pay the same to the other body else
[1:09:46] though.
[1:09:46] We'd have to.
[1:09:48] Yeah.
[1:09:48] That's the way this board is about to do your resolutions and ordinances and we'd be subject
[1:09:53] to the same.
[1:09:54] What does it do?
[1:09:55] So if you guys get through some of these water projects that you're trying to accomplish
[1:09:58] right now.
[1:09:59] I think it helps chance proof up on what's there.
[1:10:02] There's a lot.
[1:10:03] Yeah, the water's not proofed on at this point in time.
[1:10:06] I don't think anybody in the entire county's got the capacity of a water system to flow that through it to actually proof that.
[1:10:13] I think there's a lot of benefit to the district, in my opinion.
[1:10:17] But I think, I think, in the board should discuss that maybe not necessarily move myself.
[1:10:23] How much time we've got to prove beneficial use to proof up on water?
[1:10:27] We've got, I'll very municipalities have four years or 40 years to do that.
[1:10:32] plus a four-year extension. Yeah, plus a 40-year extension. I don't even get 40. 40-year.
[1:10:37] Four zero extension. In other words, we won't be around when I am.
[1:10:43] It's more water out of my well. I want to prove up some more. Well, what? Yeah, it's not an action item.
[1:10:51] No, we're just talking. But I, in my opinion, I think we should move forward with discussion
[1:10:57] You know, it's even works out now.
[1:10:59] That's much docent or motion
[1:11:05] on that or no.
[1:11:06] No, no, no.
[1:11:07] No action, no action.
[1:11:09] So it just gives me direction to begin.
[1:11:11] I just, I like what I'm seeing here.
[1:11:12] I think this is, you know, it got some good possibilities.
[1:11:16] I really do.
[1:11:18] For the district and for the city.
[1:11:21] Yeah.
[1:11:22] It'd be a really first time in the history
[1:11:24] of the district to help the people who have contributed
[1:11:30] did most of it. Well, I agree. That's what I said. I mean, at least time we did something.
[1:11:35] Yeah. That's not 100% true though. According to money. Well, okay, whatever.
[1:11:49] Well, I'm
[1:11:49] just.
[1:11:52] And if you want to point something out that they've done in the past, I'd be glad
[1:11:56] here but it's been far and back of my memory I can't remember. I'm not disputing
[1:12:04] that. Brigham City's in the time I've been here has never came with an ask but
[1:12:10] apparently historically there were some things that were done that so how we
[1:12:18] phrase it I guess tomato tomato I don't know. Very good. More importantly they're
[1:12:24] and we welcome this discussion, certainly, with open arms and have a desire to work together.
[1:12:34] I don't see anything around with hooking, you know, and selling water.
[1:12:38] I do have some art learned with a 50% deal level.
[1:12:42] I think that's going to, I mean, especially where we have West Korean to the penny on their ask a couple of months ago.
[1:12:50] you know what I mean and we haven't and so I I don't think we can come off on the
[1:12:56] price I think it's just the price of the price but if we can help them in other
[1:13:00] areas like Kelly's doing yeah just dollars and cents yeah that's what our bottom line
[1:13:09] is to absolutely yeah make sure our bottom line is good and then do this thing with
[1:13:14] the 50% pass through which basically that 50% of what they pay would be passing back
[1:13:21] to them and to help these projects.
[1:13:24] But then, but I mean, it's true, I'm going to come to the table and be like, we want
[1:13:27] 50% of our money back to you.
[1:13:29] But I think we need to keep in mind their agreement, it's a different agreement, they're talking
[1:13:35] long-term, committed, and so there's...
[1:13:40] But I mean, I'm not against it.
[1:13:42] I'm not even against, I've just said it was,
[1:13:45] but I'm really not against the 50% reduction,
[1:13:47] either in principle.
[1:13:50] I think it's just fine that the deal of rigidity,
[1:13:52] but I'm just thinking everybody else is.
[1:13:55] So where did we come up with a 50%?
[1:13:58] I mean, could we go 60% or 75%?
[1:14:03] I mean, or go 20%.
[1:14:05] Where did you come up with a 50% is what I would like.
[1:14:08] It's a financial analysis on our part on putting more infrastructure in the ground to drill them another well over a five or a ten-year period, frankly.
[1:14:16] I thought there's a tipping point financially for us as a city that makes sense financially that if it's more expensive than it's going to cost me to do my own infrastructure, then that's where you're going.
[1:14:31] Like I said, and I think I think it's a unique opportunity, but no one's going to walk
[1:14:37] in this door and tell you I'm going to write you a check for $331,000 a year, I think everybody
[1:14:43] understands that.
[1:14:44] Oh yeah, I just wondered why the 50, you know.
[1:14:50] Well I think in principle too, we'll approve this, we'd have to, it would be very complicated
[1:14:57] They're like you said, to do a 50% degree degree, so you can't.
[1:15:00] But the way the books would work is we would receive payment of $662,000 a year from Brigham City, and in turn, there would be commitments that would be a separate line item. We have one in our books currently. It's called contributions to other governments. We use it to do projects all over the county. That's where that money would be returned, which would really clear up that issue of Tremont City coming back.
[1:15:24] Paying the same rate, but there's an agreement that we are committing
[1:15:29] through contributions of other governments back to to Brigham City into the future for the length of this contract.
[1:15:35] So Jamie, is this deal on? We get recorded on everything in a minute.
[1:15:38] Yes, every time.
[1:15:41] You're always live Tim.
[1:15:45] Don't want to talk about Dave's funeral and come get lost.
[1:15:50] No.
[1:15:52] We never get remote mics, so don't let Tim have when we walk in here.
[1:15:57] It's a pretty good YouTube videos of that.
[1:16:01] I think I've got some direction from the board that we can begin looking at this a little deeper
[1:16:10] and see what it's actually going to take.
[1:16:12] Is that an agreeance there?
[1:16:15] I think we're all agreeance.
[1:16:16] That's why you move forward.
[1:16:18] I like it.
[1:16:19] You want to go 70% off?
[1:16:21] We can bet it.
[1:16:22] No, I have to say that.
[1:16:24] I have to say that.
[1:16:25] You're not present.
[1:16:26] Let's do it.
[1:16:27] Christmas is coming.
[1:16:29] Christmas is coming.
[1:16:31] Well, I was thinking you pay 75%.
[1:16:33] Okay.
[1:16:35] I was thinking you pay 75%.
[1:16:37] Yeah, I heard that.
[1:16:38] That's the last way the 75% paid for.
[1:16:44] Okay, anything else you've got, Derry?
[1:16:46] Thanks.
[1:16:47] Sure.
[1:16:47] We feel like we can do it.
[1:16:48] We've got a direction here to move forward.
[1:16:50] Thank you guys for bringing that to us, that's awesome.
[1:16:52] Start working.
[1:16:54] So we appreciate your time.
[1:16:55] Chance you and Mike go to work.
[1:16:57] My favorite thing.
[1:16:58] Thank you.
[1:16:59] hydraulics.
[1:17:00] Our
[1:17:08] nexus just abandoned us.
[1:17:09] No, we don't need it.
[1:17:12] There's something I don't have anywhere.
[1:17:14] It was just as if it's needed.
[1:17:15] All right.
[1:17:18] Thanks, Mayor.
[1:17:19] Yeah.
[1:17:20] Thanks for all of you.
[1:17:21] Good to see you getting remiss, you.
[1:17:32] So we have no no need to go in close session tonight. So we're to the public comments section and I I see no public now.
[1:17:41] Everybody's gone. No, we don't need to go into one. It's just it's on the agenda in case we did, but we're good.
[1:17:50] so we'll start here with prestige reports and I don't have anything at the
[1:17:56] moment I am trying to get a hold of Bruce Nelson to talk about that if he
[1:18:02] needs water at all and he's been unavailable he's he's young and in love
[1:18:08] give him some slack so I hear I talked to him to smile did he get married?
[1:18:12] excuse me? It's getting married. He's not married now. A couple weeks. Okay. But I will get a hold of him and talk about that. But otherwise, nothing.
[1:18:24] Mike. I don't have anything. Are you? Nope. I'm good. No.
[1:18:31] I would call man. None.
[1:18:35] I mean, where do you, Tim? No story is just a report.
[1:18:42] No, not a data center, just a report.
[1:18:45] No report that if you don't want to talk about the data center now I can let's say what
[1:18:50] of it.
[1:18:51] No, I don't mean to.
[1:18:53] I'm not sure yet.
[1:18:54] Well, it's in my area, but what a shit show.
[1:18:59] Well, that's on this board.
[1:19:03] Who knows where that deal is going to end up.
[1:19:05] That's a good question.
[1:19:07] Are they hunting water now?
[1:19:08] Sure they are, but yeah.
[1:19:11] Yeah, since I can say that any more, I might be in any word of discussion.
[1:19:15] I've talked to anybody for two, three weeks, it's still on the agenda.
[1:19:19] It's obviously in my area, it's a hot button issue, which we all know.
[1:19:25] So I don't know what that is.
[1:19:29] They would throw their application to change you views with drawn, so it's just waiting.
[1:19:38] I don't know what he's looking to put it back in again, but that's not going to happen.
[1:19:42] The hell it is, now, we're under the microscope, me, my boy's anything for a colon error
[1:19:49] stock well, anything, anybody drive it down the road, somebody's, yeah I'm taking a picture
[1:19:54] and looking at it's like holy moly, whoever dreamed of what's going on, but that's the deal
[1:20:00] I just hope, well I'm the only way out there with the irrigation well, the several colonering
[1:20:07] Well, like I said, it waits to see if still big if I think whether it's going to
[1:20:13] materialize more likely will that
[1:20:16] It could be longer in time than the plans
[1:20:21] Okay, that's the end of my report. Thank you
[1:20:25] mission
[1:20:26] Jamie, anything you need to straighten us out on? No
[1:20:31] No, thanks for coming to get pictures. Yeah, everybody is tended
[1:20:36] Did you guys get them? Oh man
[1:20:38] And we'll have you put up there.
[1:20:40] Now hold this.
[1:20:42] I'm talking at social there, I figured I had an hour to kill
[1:20:45] and then I looked at my watches.
[1:20:47] By go.
[1:20:47] You're right.
[1:20:51] Surprisingly, from a canal standpoint,
[1:20:54] we've gone on natural flow a lot longer
[1:20:57] than we ever anticipated with this spring.
[1:21:00] That's been good.
[1:21:02] It was longer than you thought.
[1:21:03] Yeah, really.
[1:21:04] Yeah.
[1:21:05] When they go on barely.
[1:21:06] like two weeks ago, I think, really?
[1:21:09] I made it.
[1:21:09] That's what I thought.
[1:21:11] So now what, that being said, now you're pulling out of the way?
[1:21:15] Yes.
[1:21:16] I didn't have lunch or dinner.
[1:21:18] We could go to night with the governor of Idaho
[1:21:23] and commissioner or dip, who the next guy in line is.
[1:21:28] We could lieutenant and governor Scott Bedke,
[1:21:31] and quite a discussion.
[1:21:32] They're actually coming back the next day,
[1:21:33] 40-minute conversation on several things, water, and then I was at the ICA meeting,
[1:21:38] I don't count them in chairman of the Idle Water Resource Board spoke to us yesterday.
[1:21:43] Jeff, somebody, Jeff, and another guy with him, and yeah, the water's a big,
[1:21:49] I'm everywhere, and we know that, but you guys.
[1:21:54] Yeah, I was trying too, isn't it?
[1:21:56] Pardon?
[1:21:57] I hope it's dry as well.
[1:21:59] Yeah, the canal company's in a search for some management talent,
[1:22:04] and we interviewed a guy from Gunnison that they had like 2% water.
[1:22:12] That's all he's getting?
[1:22:13] That's all they had.
[1:22:15] When we interviewed him a week ago, they were done.
[1:22:18] No water left.
[1:22:19] I think the Ogden Valley their last day was Sunday.
[1:22:23] I didn't get specific with the government brand a little bit.
[1:22:25] We thought it was just, or just steal the kind I'm having.
[1:22:29] Yeah.
[1:22:32] Well, we didn't even turn on.
[1:22:34] or we are ready to water, they don't really shut off that early water.
[1:22:40] We're pretty blessed here.
[1:22:42] Yeah, we are.
[1:22:43] Actually, I was up in the hills up above Logan and up there.
[1:22:47] You know, Beaver Creek is green, is green up there.
[1:22:51] I mean, there's still some mud puddles here and there.
[1:22:54] So they've had a little more water than other parts of the state.
[1:22:58] And that's probably why the bear is doing so well because Logan really probably
[1:23:02] had a little more in it than we thought.
[1:23:04] Well, in my opinion, I don't know what a resource can.
[1:23:08] I think then, January and December and January, we got them rains.
[1:23:12] The ground wasn't frozen.
[1:23:13] We got that water stored in the dirt.
[1:23:16] You know, it's there.
[1:23:17] It came and we didn't freeze till later, whether we were very frozen or in any way, but
[1:23:21] what rains, we got a lot of moisture in December and January, and it's just still in the soil.
[1:23:28] Instead of hitting and running off the snow, everybody weren't about that.
[1:23:31] But yeah, lowest note back overnight, hold.
[1:23:35] And here, two looming nets.
[1:23:37] Well, OK.
[1:23:38] Just need one more motion.
[1:23:40] I'll move it to the urn.
[1:23:42] Second.
[1:23:43] Didn't take long to get that, though, really.
[1:23:46] It's been moved in second, at all, in favor.
[1:23:49] Hi.
[1:23:50] Thank you for your attendance tonight.
[1:23:52] Good time you're spending your thinking.