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Why do we have extra copies of the
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Hey,
>> so I I get this the resolution

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on these um Austin had mentioned that
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ores,
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already. I just want to show you

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short terminal
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that's the shortterm and then
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actually in the the meat of the other
one is sort of the these are sort of the

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covers that say we're hereby adopting
this law

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» and what you want to be concerned about
is it won't be so much this that

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All right. Good evening and happy
Tuesday, the 1st of September. We have

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officially entered the burr months.
That means [laughter] I can start

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drinking um pumpkin spice lattes now. I
can't do that in October because that

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just doesn't feel right. So, you guys
will get to hear this again. I'm

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practicing.
>> I'm glad you didn't stop with I

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» All right. I will call this meeting to
order at 5:00 pm. Can I get a roll call,

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please? Council member Lara
>> here.

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» Council member Fen
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» Council member Martinez
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» Mayor Prom White
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» Mayor Vo
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» All right. And um can we do we have any
public comment for close session?

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» I have no written requests. Simone, do
you have any callers on the line?

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» Simone, can you hear me? Do we have any
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She's not.
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time. Thank you.
>> All right. Excellent. And Mr. Pinkney,

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can we please get a readout for the
items for discussion?

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» Yes. The council meeting in close
session. Item B1 is conference with

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legal counsel regarding potential
initiation of litigation. That involves

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three potential cases. Item B2,
conference with legal counsel regarding

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significant exposure to litigation, one
potential case.

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» All right. And we will adjourn to close
session at 501.

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member Laura. The second was by Mayor
Prom White and the vote was as follows.

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Mayor Voit uh was yes in favor of the
motion. Mayor Prom White in favor,

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council member Martinez in favor,
council member Fen in favor of the

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motion, and council member Laura was
also in favor of the motion.

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The other item that the council met on
in close session was item B2, conference

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with legal counsel regarding significant
exposure to litigation. One potential

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case and there was no reportable action
on that item. And that concludes a

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report out.
>> All right. Thank you, sir. And if you um

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would please join me as we bring up Mr.
Bolognio for our u prayer this evening

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followed by the pledge of allegiance by
Council Member White.

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Thank you. Let's bow our heads for a
word of prayer.

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Dear God of all faiths and of no faith,
we come together today in gratitude for

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our city of Bumont and the people who
call it home. We thank you for the gift

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of community and for the opportunity to
work together for the common good.

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We ask for your wisdom and discernment
to rest upon our mayor, city council

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members, and city staff. Will you grant
them clear minds, compassionate hearts,

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and the strength to lead with integrity
and fairness?

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Help everyone in this room to listen
well, respect one another, and seek

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solutions that benefit all residents.
Bless their discussions tonight and

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guide their actions
so that they build a stronger, safer,

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and more united community. We pray.
Amen.

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» Amen.
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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» And that will take us on to our
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And for that, uh, we will start out with
E1, our national senior center month,

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and bring up Mr. Story and Miss Star.

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Thank you, mayor. I want to bring staff
up to uh talk about National Senior

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Center Month to share some highlights
and some great things that are happening

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with our senior.

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» Good evening, Mayor and Council.
Tonight, as we recognize National Senior

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Center Month, I am excited to share with
you the tremendous growth we have seen

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in programming at our senior center or
what we refer to as club 55. So in 2022

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23 we had offered eight events and five
programs for our seniors. Today we offer

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23 events and 20 programs dedicated
specifically to this age group. That's a

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231% increase in what seems like we're
adding something new every single week.

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Our participants range in age from 55 to
85 and beyond, which is a tremendous

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span of ages, experiences, and
interests. So, we work hard to provide a

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variety of opportunities that fit people
in every season of their lives. These

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range from wellness classes like
aerobics to reliving activities from

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their youth like attending prom or
summer camp to learning more about their

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community through our tour programs or
destination walks at our parks. We have

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done speed dating, sing karaoke, create
works of art, learn about new

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technology, dress up for every holiday,
and have had intense chair volleyball

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competitions, just to name a few.
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» One of our more recent and exciting
expansions is our ASB, our associated

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senior body. So, you may be familiar
with an associated student student body

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in a school setting. Well, we decided
that our seniors deserve one of their

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own. The group of individuals I have
with you here tonight volunteer their

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time and energy and creativity to help
us advertise and promote the senior

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center to both current and potential
members. And our growth does not stop

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within the walls of our facility. Our
staff and ASB members have also begun

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outreach efforts in the community and
with other senior centers. Just last

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month, we hosted SIP with the senior
center in conjunction with coffee at the

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cop at Panera. We also toured the
Banning Senior Center and are scheduled

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to tour Calamea and Ukipa very soon. The
goal of these outreach efforts is to

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build a stronger network of resources
and opportunities for older adults, not

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just in Bulmont, but throughout our
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Some of the wonderful events we have
happening at our senior center this

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month are our red, white, and boots
senior dance on September 11th. And on

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September 22nd, we're hosting our senior
health fair featuring more than 30

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vendors providing information resources
um to help our residents live happy and

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active lives. And on September 22nd,
we'll be hosting a talent show for our

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amazing group to show off their skills.
And we want to thank you, our council,

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our staff, especially um our recreation
specialist, Alma Frostto, here, uh our

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community partners, and all of our
seniors for helping us shape what the

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future of senior programming looks like
in Bowmont, and for making Club 55 a

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place where fun never gets old. So,
thank you.

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[applause]

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And thank you. And thank you ladies for
your time and energy and all that you

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have dedicated to the community. You
know, when I first was walking for

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campaigning for city council, one of the
things I heard often was, "We don't have

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our own designated senior center." But
let me tell you, you guys have

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designated this as the senior center.
And it's amazing to see all the

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activities and I love to watch all that
you guys do and participate in what you

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have. I think we had a bingo night
recently, didn't we?

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» We did, mayor. And I I had a chance
opportunity [laughter]

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to call a bingo game.
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» it was a big M, you know, for Mike, but
I you know, I digress. [laughter]

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» I was looking for a big W for like
winning, right?

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[gasps]
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much. I believe we have a proclamation.
We do have a proclamation. I think maybe

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just a photo with the Absolutely. Come
on up and we'll take our photo. Go here,

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lady.

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You ready? Three, two, one.
Thank you.

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[applause]

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All right. And that moves us to
recognizing the city of Bowmont's

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finance department through their
achievement in excellence in procurement

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award.
Miss Lisa Leech.

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Good evening, madame mayor and councel.
Tonight, I am proud to recognize the

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city of Bumont Fi finance department for
receiving the achievement of excellent

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in procurement award from the national
procurement institute. This

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distinguished award recognizes public
agencies that demonstrate excellence,

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professionalism,
transparency, and accountability in

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their procurement practices. Receiving
this award reflects the dedication and

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hard work of our finance department and
purchasing team as well as their

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commitment to managing public resources
responsibly and serving our organization

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with the highest standards. The city of
Bumont is among only one of 93 cities

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and a total of 251 public agencies
nationwide.

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As interim finance director, I am
incredibly proud of the team and

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grateful for their continued dedication
to the city of Bumont. Please join me in

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congratulating them on this outstanding
achievement

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[applause]

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and they have a nice little award.
Excellent. Thank you guys. And uh it's

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always excellent when we get to present
financial awards and um the stewardship

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that you guys have towards all of that.
So, thank you, council.

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» You still have room on the wall for
that? [laughter]

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» We're adding a lot lately. Well, very
good. Come on up and let's get a

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picture.

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Okay, ready? Three, two, one.
[clears throat]

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[applause]

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And moving right along, that'll bring us
to our public comment period for items

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that are not on the agenda. Any one
person may address the city council in

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any manner not on the agenda. If you
wish to speak, please fill out a public

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comment form provided to the at the back
of the table, excuse me, at the back

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table and give it to the city clerk.
There are there is a threeinut time

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limit on public comments. There will be
no sharing or passing of time to another

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person. State law prohibits the city
council from discussing or taking

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actions brought up by your comments. And
do we have any public comment this

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evening?
>> Yes, ma'am. I have an in person of

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Douglas Emory.

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» Good evening, Mayor Voy, Mayor Prom
White, and council members. I'm here

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just to say thank you. Thank you to the
city of Bowmont for your support of the

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Bowmont Cherry Valley Rotary Club and
everything we uh do in the community. I

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want to say a thank you to Laura James
who came to our club meeting on July

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30th and talked about the great
development in the city of Bowmont,

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what's happening here and that was uh
very educational for our Bowmont Cherry

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Valley Rotary Club members. Uh thank you
for Christopher Bowman, city manager

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coming August 20th and sharing his
experience and what's happening within

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the city. I think Chris, we put you on
the spot a couple of times, but uh he

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did a great job in uh responding and
supporting our club members. Uh last

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Thursday, um I want to thank we had the
K9 program for the city of Bulmont. So

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thank you to Police Chief Christopher
Ramos, Lieutenant Jeremy Harris, and

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Corporal Taylor and Corporal Lynn. They
brought their two K9 dogs um at the

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Chattney Center and we had a great uh
presentation about the K9 program. So

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that was exciting. And I also want to
thank Oh, she's here. Both um Ashley

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Star and Doug's story. As you know, we
meet the Chattney Center and it's a

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great uh venue uh great team that they
have and we couldn't have our successful

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growing Rotary Club meetings without
Ashley's and her and her staff and

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everything they did and Doug's story.
And so I just want to thank you Ashley

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and and Doug um for everything you
support our club on. We're going to have

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a little lunch tomorrow celebrating the
staff. So um the other part is um

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invitation. And as you know, we had an
excellent peace pole unveiling at the

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Chattney Center on a couple of months
ago. And thank you, Mayor Voit, for

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coming and speaking. The weather was
beautiful. I know Ashley missed that cuz

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you were enjoying some vacation time and
all that. Um, but we're having our

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second one on Friday, September 18th at
11:00 a.m. at the renovated Bulmont

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Library District. And thank you for
Mayor Prom uh being our guest speaker.

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And I'm going to hand out the flyers to
the invitation. Uh hopefully council

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members can attend that event. Chris and
Lauren, others as well. We're looking

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for an exciting, peaceful unveiling
event at the library on Friday,

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September 18. So pass these invitations
over. So thank you. We'll see you then.

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» And thank you,
>> Simone. Do we have any callers on the

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line?
>> We have no callers at this time.

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» No other speakers.
>> All right. Very good. That will move us

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on to our consent calendar. Are there
any items to be pulled from the consent

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calendar for discussion?

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All right, seeing none, do we have any
public comment for our consent calendar?

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I have no written request. Simone, do we
have any callers on the line?

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» Simone, do we have any callers on the
line?

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» We have no callers at this time.
All right. And seeing no public comment,

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I will entertain a motion.
>> Mayor, I'll move that we uh approve

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consent item um consent calendar items
um G1 through G8.

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» I'll second.
>> And can we get a roll call, please?

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» Council member Laura,
>> yes.

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» Council member Finn,
>> yes.

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» Council member Martinez,
>> yes.

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» Mayor Pro Tim White,
>> yes.

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» Mayor Voit,
>> yes. And I just do want to make a

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comment for G5 as uh just a thank you
for uh the grants specific to traffic

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enforcement. I know that that is always
um a big topic throughout the city. So

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it's nice to see when we're able to um
enhance our opportunities there. So

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thank you. And yes.

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All right. That will take us to our
youth council report.

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» Yes, mayor. Just a quick um report that
we have concluded our application

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process for the youth council and uh our
first meeting will be on the 8th and

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we'll be going over all of the bylaws
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to you on the 15th and I'm not sure what
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So we look forward to
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that was good. I was really impressed.
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balance of of grade levels. So, look
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» Great. Always looking forward to their
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on to our public hearings. We have our
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adoption of the 2026 Bumont
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have Mr. Jones for a report.
>> Yes. Good evening, your honor, Mayor Pro

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Tim, and council members. This evening,
we are pleased to welcome Sammy Taylor

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from Alta Planning and Design, who will
present the city sustainability plan

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prepared as an update to modernization
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Taylor.

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» All right, let me just get sorted here.
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» Yeah. Do we have that option?

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» Your notes. Yeah, I've got my computer.
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» Just have
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» Are you able to see the slides?
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» All right. Sorry everyone for that
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slides. Yes,
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notes on there.
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We will get this sorted. Okay, we'll do
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All right. Well, sorry for that delay.
Um, let me introduce myself. Good

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evening, Mayor Boy and council members.
I'm really excited to be here tonight to

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present the uh 2026 Bumont
sustainability plan. Uh I am with Alta

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Planning and Design. We are the
consultant team who has been leading the

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development of this plan.
So a brief overview of what we'll cover

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tonight. Um we'll give an overview of
the sustainability plan development

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process, greenhouse gas emissions in
Bowmont, followed by natural hazards and

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climate impacts in in Bowmont as well as
the sustainability and resilience

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measures to red to reduce both of those
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So moving right along, sustainability um
the city is of Bowmont is committed to

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providing a more livable, fair, and
economically vibrant community. Uh these

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three components the environment, people
and the economy make up the concept of

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sustainability. Sustainability is the
ability to meet the needs of the present

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without compromising the ability of
future generations to meet their own

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needs. In Bowmont, this means creating a
thriving, healthy, diverse, and

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resilient community for this and future
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So, some of the benefits of
sustainability include cost savings for

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families, improved health outcomes due
to less air pollution and more active

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lifestyles, less traffic congestion and
safer streets for biking and walking,

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and more trees and increased access to
nature resulting from healthier

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ecosystems and cleaner watersheds.
Additionally, while not shown on this

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slide, uh another important benefit of
sustainability is improved community

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resilience to climate hazards and
natural disasters.

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So, the Bumont sustainability plan
updates the 2015 plan with new

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implementation focused actions to
advance environmental sustainability.

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Uh, it is a short-range plan with a
timeline of about 5 to 10 years. Uh, and

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it builds on Bowmont's existing plans
and policies, most notably the general

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plan update. Um, it aligns with recent
state laws and charge a sustainable path

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forward to continue implementation as
resources and capacity become available

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in the city.

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So, in addition to the full plan, we
created some collateral materials,

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including a comprehensive and standalone
executive summary that is more

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accessible and distills the plan into
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for those who want to take a deeper dive
into the topics of the plan, uh we

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developed focus area fact sheets that
detail the measures within each section

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um that enhance community sustainability
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So, how did we get here? The plan
development process has followed the

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sequence seen on the screen. We started
with background technical analysis to

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understand the underlying conditions in
Bowmont, including updating the city's

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greenhouse gas inventory and conducting
a vulnerability assessment. Uh, which

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I'll touch on the results of those
coming up next. Um, the technical

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analysis creates the foundation to
develop the measures which are really

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the meat of the plan. Uh, and these
lists of strategies reflect the city's

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unique characteristics, priorities, and
needs. The second step then is that

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measure development phase. Uh and this
was an iterative process that included

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collaboration with staff partner
agencies and incorporates feedback from

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the community. Uh finally we wrote the
plan, released it for public comment and

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are moving through the final adoption
process. And then most importantly you

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can see here at the bottom community
engagement has been a throughine of this

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effort.

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So community input has been incorporated
throughout each step in the development

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process. We utilized different methods
to engage different populations in the

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city. Uh we uh conducted two rounds of
focus groups with stakeholders including

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representatives of the business
community, residents, the youth

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commission, seniors and cyclists. Uh we
gathered feedback on the measures via an

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online community survey and attended
events like Bowmont nights. Uh we also

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distributed executive summaries to the
chamber of commerce and finally like I

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mentioned released the plan for public
review and comment.

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So we heard a lot of things re received
a lot of different comments from

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stakeholders throughout the process and
this is a small collection of what we

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heard but mainly there is support for
creating a more livable community that

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is resilient to the natural hazards has
clean air and safe access to walking and

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biking and more dependable utilities. Uh
to be sure the community did express

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concern over the cost to themselves and
to the city uh of implementing these

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sustainable lifestyle changes. Um, and
all of these comments helped us draft

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measure language that prioritize actions
and prioritize actions that make things

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feel more accessible um, and catered to
this community.

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So, next I'll explain the results of the
foundational technical analysis uh,

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including where Bowmont's greenhouse gas
emissions come from and understanding

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where our emissions come from help us to
focus efforts on where meaningful

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reductions can take place uh, to improve
our environment. And this technical

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analysis informs measure development.
And we look at emissions because they

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also help us um when we reduce those
emissions, help reduce the impact of

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climate hazards, which we'll get into
next.

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So, moving back to 2022, total
communitywide emissions, greenhouse gas

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emissions were about 376,700
metric tons of carbon dioxide

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equivalent, which is how we measure the
suite of greenhouse gases. Um, we use

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2022 because when we did this analysis,
that was the most recent year for which

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complete data was available. Uh, on-road
transportation, so that includes driving

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cars and trucks on our roads, was the
largest contributor to emissions at 63%,

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followed by residential and
non-residential energy use, including

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both electricity and natural gas, which
accounted for 28% combined. Uh this

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distribution aligns with many cities
across California and shows us where the

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biggest opportunities for reductions
lie, which again is that energy and

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transportation sectors.

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So we also compared these results back
to 2018 which was the other inventory

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that was done for the city. Um and
emissions did rise by 11% from 2018 to

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2022. uh the breakdown by sector did
remain constant but the per capita and

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per service population so the total
number of jobs and people in the city

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decreased by 6% as compared to 2018. So
that suggests that emissions are not

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increasing at the same rate that the
city is growing which is good news.

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So moving on to the natural hazards.
So, Bumont currently faces a range of

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climate hazards um such as extreme heat,
wildfire, flooding, and severe weather.

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Most of the comm community feedback that
we heard was about people's experiences

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with these natural hazards. Um we also
use natural hazards and climate hazards

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somewhat interchangeably. Climate
exacerbate exacerbates many of these

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hazards. So, and that's also why we look
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greatest impacts of these hazards. So,
in terms of heat, uh, we're expecting

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more extreme heat days and warm nights
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in the future. For precipitation, we're
not expecting to see a great change in

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total precipitation. However, there will
be more variability and extreme weather

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events. Um, and the next two are kind of
related to that. Flooding may become

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more frequent and extreme. Um, and
drought on the flip side may become

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longer and more intense. Uh, finally,
wildfire. We're expecting to see more

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area burned. wildfires that burn more
intensely and increased impacts from

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wildfire smoke.

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So, these hazards have impacts not only
on the environment but on our community.

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Children, older adults, low-income
households, and renters face greater

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risks and have fewer resources to
recover after an event. Um,

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additionally, buildings and
infrastructure can be damaged uh leading

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to disruptions in daily life and
business activity. And furthermore,

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continued environmental stress on our
natural systems can do reduce their

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ability uh to function and recover after
a disaster as well.

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So like I mentioned, all of that
background analysis that has been done

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um helped to inform measure development.
So the measures included in the plan

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have been vetted by staff including the
departments responsible for

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implementation uh to ensure capacity uh
partner organizations including

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Riverside County Fire as well as CalFire
and the community most importantly uh

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and based on the feedback we received
the measures have been designed to

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incentivize action rather than mandate
it uh and leverage existing external

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resources like existing regional
programs and utility rebates. Um, we're

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also building these measures off of
ongoing city city efforts to best fit

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into department work plans. So, the plan
focuses on things that are within the

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city's control and under its direct
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So the plan contains 37 community
sustainability measures focused on

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buildings and energy, transportation and
land use, solid waste, water and

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ecosystems, and community uh
accountability and activation. Um by

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taking steps to support sustainable
development, we can lower energy use in

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our homes and businesses, make it easier
to travel by different modes, uh reduce

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waste, and protect natural resources.
The measures included in the

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sustainability measure section were
selected based on their benefits to the

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community, local priorities, staff
capacity, alignment with the general

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plan and state goals and legislation,
and the availability of resources for

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implementation.

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So, the city also worked on developing a
suite of 21 community resilience

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measures and these ones um address the
climate hazards that we just talked

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about. Um and so they are designed to
increase the resilience of residents,

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natural resources, critical facilities
and infrastructure and services from the

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impacts of climate change. Uh the
actions in this plan section focus on

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preparing for emergencies, maintaining
essential services, and supporting quick

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recovery when disruptions do occur. Uh
with particular attention to residents

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who may need additional assistance. Uh
the benefits of the measures contained

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in this section include improved air
quality, lower risk of property damage,

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improved habitat quality, job creation,
as well as strengthened infrastructure,

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emergency response systems, and
community readiness. And this, of

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course, all can improve our public
safety, reduce damage and downtime after

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an event, and support long-term sil
stability, excuse me, for residents,

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businesses, and city operations.
So, we took uh the draft plan to

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planning commission earlier this summer,
and these are some of the thoughtful

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questions that the planning commission
asked us in our responses. I won't go

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into detail uh now, but we can certainly
return to any of these if uh if needed.

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And so, there's a second slide of of
those questions.

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And so, today we're asking you to
discuss ask us questions. I have Shannon

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George from David J. Powers on the Zoom
who is um available to answer any

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questions related to the environmental
review. Uh and with that we hope that uh

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we recommend that you adopt the 2026
sustainability plan.

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Thank you so much.
>> All right. Thank you for that. Um I will

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open this public hearing at 6:38. Do we
have any public comments?

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I do have a written uh email public
comment that I can read into the record.

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Sure.

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This is from Sergio Perez. Says, "Hello,
as a longtime resident, I would like to

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first and foremost express my
appreciation to the city council for its

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work over the years. I do believe the
council has the best intentions in mind

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for the development of the city and I
very much appreciate the particular

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emphasis placed on revitalizing the
downtown core. I do believe there is

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still room for improvement with this
revitalization plan. However, there is

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simply a lack of density for people who
want to come to downtown.

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I believe Bulmont lacks middle housing
today. There aren't enough duplexes,

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triplexes, or multiplexes or vertical
housing developments that offer a middle

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ground between single family housing
units and midrises. Especially for young

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adults and single adults who would like
entrylevel housing. The downtown core

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could be revitalized if some of these
projects were to be initiated. One

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particular solution could be vertical
two to threetory mixeduse property where

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the ground floor could be used for
commercial space such as a cafe,

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restaurant or retail while the above
floors would be designated for

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residential use. I would strongly
suggest looking into this concept and

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seeing if the feasibility of it.

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This would not only offer housing in the
heart of town, but it could also create

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new job opportunities while
simultaneously making downtown more

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attractive for residents and visitors to
each as well. We can even see

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01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:59,840
neighborhood neighboring Redlands
developing similar concepts on a large

432
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:05,119
scale like the transit village specific
plan and the Tennessee Village mixeduse

433
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:09,360
project. On the corner of Edgar Avenue
and East Fifth Street, there is a fairly

434
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:13,920
sizable empty lot. next to the newly
refurbished pass area bizub.

435
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:18,800
I think this could make for an ideal
location to consider developing

436
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:23,679
developing into a multi-story mixeduse
property and would make for an effective

437
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:28,639
use of land. I strongly suggest an
inquiry be made into this lot along with

438
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:32,239
the mixeduse concept so we may see a
stronger revitalization plan for

439
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:35,239
downtown. Thank you for your time and
consideration

440
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:40,080
and I have no other written comments.
Simone, do we have any callers on the

441
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:45,840
line?
>> We have no callers at this time.

442
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:50,239
» All right. Thank you. Seeing no further
public comment, we'll close it at 6:40

443
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:53,239
and I will open it up for council
discussion.

444
01:48:56,239 --> 01:49:03,679
» Mayor Prom.
>> Hi. Yeah, I have a couple questions.

445
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:10,000
Adopting this plan is a state mandate,
correct?

446
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:14,960
» It is. It is and the states uh provided
um financing for us to have the study

447
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:18,800
and sustainability plan created.
>> There are grants available but for this

448
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:24,480
particular project and sustainability
plan there's been no state funding.

449
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:28,880
» Okay. And then how was how were the
emission numbers calculated or or where

450
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:33,360
did those numbers come from?
>> Sure. So the greenhouse gas emissions

451
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:37,920
inventory and forecast were calculated
using the US community protocol which is

452
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:42,080
a very standardized approach to how all
of these inventories are done across

453
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:46,000
both the US and then there's a global
version of that protocol as well and

454
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:50,639
it's based on real data. So we collected
real data activity data is what we call

455
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:54,719
it from Bowmont including you know
energy use in kilowatt hours as well as

456
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:59,040
therms from both our residential and
non-residential customers. uh real

457
01:49:57,440 --> 01:50:03,840
vehicle miles traveled which we used
from the general plan update to align

458
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:09,840
with that um forecasting as well. Uh we
looked at solid waste hall data all

459
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:17,119
these real data that then we apply what
we call emission factors to. So um there

460
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:21,440
is an emissions intensity associated
with each of these different activities.

461
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:27,199
So we apply emissions factor to that
number to get us our greenhouse gas uh

462
01:50:24,639 --> 01:50:30,639
emissions. So it's kind of an amorphous
topic but it's based in real Bowmont

463
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:36,400
local data.
>> So when when you calculate the amount of

464
01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:41,199
electricity used to generate the uh
electric electric vehicles um that adds

465
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:46,400
to the emissions too. Correct.
>> Yes. So how we do energy for example is

466
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:52,400
we get a report from the utilities. So
we have we got data um at a high level

467
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:56,480
um fromce and the gas company about
total emissions or total excuse me

468
01:50:54,719 --> 01:51:01,040
kilowatt hours and therms consumed
within the community um by residential

469
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:05,679
and non-residential customers. We can't
tell exactly how that energy was being

470
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:09,679
used. So if it was being used, you know,
to heat your home using a heat pump, we

471
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:13,199
can't tell the difference between those
kilowatt hours and kilowatt hours that

472
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:18,239
are going to charge an EV, for example.
>> Okay? And when you're using these

473
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:26,560
protocols uh to sort of I guess
basically you're taking um averages or

474
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:31,760
comparisons of other cities. So we c no
so this is all like based only on bowont

475
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:37,679
and so these are a standardized set of
methods and data sources that we use to

476
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:42,080
then um you know make this inventory and
all cities who are complying with the

477
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:45,199
protocol do it the same way so that we
can look across jurisdictions and

478
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:49,679
compare apples to apples.
>> So do you so apples to apple comparison

479
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:51,840
do you take into account that the
interstate 10 goes right through our

480
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:56,320
city?
>> So no. So that's a great question. So

481
01:51:53,840 --> 01:52:01,920
when we look at vehicle miles traveled,
we don't count pass through traffic. So

482
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:05,920
anything all travel that doesn't um
either originate or end in Bowmont is

483
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:10,080
not considered because it's not under
the city's control to do anything about.

484
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:18,080
» So even if we do everything that we need
to do in the plan to curb our emissions

485
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:24,000
and we can't do anything about I 10
corridor going through our city.

486
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:29,679
» Yeah. Um, how much did we pay for the
for the sustainability plan?

487
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:33,040
» Close to 300,000.
>> Okay. Thank you.

488
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:35,679
» That was what was budgeted for the plan.
I don't know that we've spent that much

489
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:39,520
yet, though.
>> Okay.

490
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:42,080
If there are no other comments, I'll go
ahead and make a motion.

491
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:48,480
» All right.
>> I'll move to approve the adoption of

492
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:51,119
this plan per the state requirements.
>> I'll second.

493
01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:53,360
» All right. Can I get a roll call,
please?

494
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,880
» Council member Laura,
>> yes.

495
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,639
» Council member Finn,
>> yes.

496
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:58,400
» Council member Martinez,
>> yes.

497
01:52:57,199 --> 01:52:59,520
» Mayor Prom White,
>> yes.

498
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:02,639
» Mayor Voit,
>> yes.

499
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,480
» Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you.

500
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:09,520
» All right, that will move us on to our
public hearing for our short-term rental

501
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:14,760
program and ordinance.
And we will have a staff report by Mr.

502
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,760
Usher.

503
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:34,320
Good evening, Mayor and City Council.
Tonight's item we are bringing forward

504
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:38,520
is the first public hearing for the
city's short-term rental program.

505
01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:45,920
The action before council is to
introduce chapter 5.21, 21 adopt the

506
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:52,239
related fee schedule and establish a
framework needed for beginning the toot

507
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:56,639
collection in January of 2027. This is
the next step in the discussion council

508
01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:59,840
has had over the years with staff and
the ordinance reflecting direction

509
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:04,040
council previously provided to move
forward with this program.

510
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:14,080
So this item has been brought to council
several times in the past by staff.

511
01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:18,800
first beginning this discussion in 2023.
In 2025, council asked staff to return

512
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:23,599
with additional information on the
number of short-term rentals in the city

513
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:29,199
of Bumont, regulatory operations,
program cost, and of course, Toot, which

514
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:34,000
is a transient occupancy tax. By April
2025, staff had identified more than 50

515
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:38,400
short-term rentals operating in the city
of Bulmont. In March 2026, council

516
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:42,960
directed staff to move forward with a
short-term rental management software

517
01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:47,760
option and prepare to implementation
beginning January of 2027. Tonight's

518
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:51,800
ordinance puts that prior direction into
enforcable local framework.

519
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:58,000
What is being proposed now is an
ordinance that creates an annual

520
01:54:55,840 --> 01:55:02,239
licensing program for short-term rentals
and establishes clear operating

521
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:05,840
standards. Each property and each
dwelling unit that is used as a

522
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:10,719
short-term rental would require its own
license. Applicants would provide basic

523
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:15,199
ownership, operation information,
insurance, a floor plan, parking

524
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:19,360
information, and toot registration to
the city. The ordinance would also

525
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:25,840
require local responsible party, whether
that's the owner or a manager to provide

526
01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:30,639
information that is available 24 hours a
day, and a response time within 60

527
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:35,520
minutes if there's a code violation. It
establishes standards related to

528
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:41,040
occupancy, parking, quiet hours, life
safety, trash, property maintenance, and

529
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:47,320
advertising. And it requires that the
city have the short-term rental license

530
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:47,320
number appear on the listing.

531
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:56,880
So, the proposed fees, as you see on the
screen, are intended for cost recovery,

532
01:55:54,560 --> 01:56:02,560
not for the sole purpose of generating
revenue. The annual short-term rental

533
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:08,400
license is proposed at $250 with a $100
compliance inspection or reinspection

534
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:13,040
fee. A $100 late renewal or appeal fee.
And then operating without a license

535
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:17,360
would require or would follow the city's
existing administrative citation tier

536
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:22,159
with the first tier being $100 for the
first violation, 200 for the second

537
01:56:19,599 --> 01:56:26,480
violation, and 500 for the third and any
other violation afterwards. Failure to

538
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:31,440
display the short-term rental license
would would carry a $250 penalty. The

539
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:34,639
program would be administrator through
administrated through community

540
01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:39,360
development in coordination with the
city manager's office using the council

541
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:43,199
selected software model that was
approximately $16,000.

542
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:47,360
Code enforcement would conduct the
initial compliance inspection and

543
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:53,000
respond to violations as needed.
Inspections would not automatically

544
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:53,000
occur every single year.

545
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:58,719
The overall goal of this program is to
allow short-term rentals to operate

546
01:56:56,880 --> 01:57:02,080
while creating clear local
accountability, protecting

547
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:06,080
neighborhoods, and ensuring that
operators are compliant with Toot

548
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:10,239
requirements. Staff recommends that
council wave the first reading, adopt

549
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:13,520
the fee resolution with any council
directed changes, and will bring it back

550
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:17,520
for the second reading at the next
available council meeting. Once the

551
01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:20,800
program is operating, staff can also
return to council if the experience

552
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:24,639
shows that the fees or penalty
structures need to be adjusted. That

553
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:28,040
concludes my presentation. I'm available
for any questions.

554
01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:34,360
» All right. Thank you. And I will open
that up to public comment at 6:49.

555
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:41,520
And do we have any public comments?
>> I have no written requests. Simone, do

556
01:57:39,679 --> 01:57:47,040
we have any callers on the line?
>> We have no callers at this time.

557
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:52,800
All right. And I will close the public
comment period at 6:49 and open it up

558
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:56,000
for council discussion. Um, Council
Member Finn,

559
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:57,679
» I'll defer to Mr. Martinez. He had his
light on first.

560
01:57:56,800 --> 01:58:02,960
» Oh, very.
>> Well, thank you. Uh, just clarification

561
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:09,480
on the non-compliance. Can you put that
back up because it looked different than

562
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:09,480
it did in the staff report?

563
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:20,320
So
here we have a proposal of 250

564
01:58:16,639 --> 01:58:26,239
plus 100. So 350 correct for your
license and the inspection and then

565
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:32,239
non-compliance we have at one two and
five. I thought the uh report said 500

566
01:58:29,679 --> 01:58:35,920
for first offense.
Am I reading it wrong? established

567
01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:42,239
amounts of 500 for operating without a
license and 250 for failure.

568
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:48,480
» So the 500 was referenced to the highest
tier. So the administrative citation has

569
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:52,719
multiple tiers and so it is just an
error in the report where it's just 500.

570
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:55,840
It was supposed to state one, two, and
500 for operating without a license.

571
01:58:54,560 --> 01:59:03,360
» Right? Because I have a concern that
it's too low. I mean your violation is

572
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:07,520
is cheaper than your license. So I mean
I mean, I understand it's we're starting

573
01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:11,119
and we don't want to come in with very
large because we're getting everybody

574
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:15,840
used to it, but on the other hand, I'm a
strong believer if you don't have a a a

575
01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:20,320
non-compliance that's going to give a
little bite, then it's really

576
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:24,480
ineffective. So, I was hoping that we
were going to start with five, not the

577
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:29,440
third violation. But if you started at
five, um, and then 250 for your no

578
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:33,599
license number, because they're not
going to have one if they're not

579
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:37,920
compliant, then that pulls to a 750, uh,
violation,

580
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:41,520
uh, versus the 250 that they paid if
they would have gone through the proper

581
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:45,199
procedure. So, it's it's a little it's
not thousands like the other one, but

582
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:50,000
it's a little, you know, significant
more to, you know, if you're not

583
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,960
complying with the license. Am I making
sense?

584
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:57,920
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Um, so that's my suggestion. Um,

585
01:59:54,400 --> 02:00:01,040
to bring it up a little higher to re um
to have more of an effect.

586
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:04,400
» I just want to clarify too that is a
fine per day. So, every day that they

587
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:06,719
they operate without the license.
>> Oh, I didn't know that.

588
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:10,639
» Yes. I I don't know if that if that
materially changes your thought on that.

589
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:14,000
» Did I miss that? No, I think it just
states a flat rate. I maybe in the

590
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:17,760
ordinance it's different.
>> In the ordinance it states it's it

591
02:00:15,679 --> 02:00:20,719
specifies per day.
>> Per day, correct?

592
02:00:18,719 --> 02:00:22,880
» So, we're going back at 100 per day.
>> Yes.

593
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:28,080
» Okay. Well, that's different then. So,
I'm okay. I We'll discuss that, but

594
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:35,520
that's different than the 215.
>> Um, so I'm okay. If it's a per day, then

595
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:39,040
I mean still though it's difficult for
me to have a fine that's lower than your

596
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:42,960
fee. just doesn't make sense to me
because if they get a fine and they come

597
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:45,920
in and pay it, then it was, you know,
they still have to go and get a license.

598
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:51,119
So, they'll have to go back and pay the
250 and 100 anyway, right? So, they're

599
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:57,280
paying the fee, then they're coming back
and paying for the license and the and

600
02:00:53,440 --> 02:01:00,960
the um compliance inspection. We we and
you know we could council with council's

601
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:05,840
direction we can certainly adjust the
first tier violation to be consistent

602
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:10,960
with the the fine the the license amount
and then we could tier to um 500 and 700

603
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:15,599
or 750.
>> It just seems to me there has to be for

604
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:19,840
your first has to be higher than than
not because if not they're going to play

605
02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:23,119
the odds you know and the odds are if I
get you know hit all hundreds 100 bucks.

606
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:26,719
» Yeah.
>> I I don't know. That's my suggestion,

607
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:30,400
but I'll hear counsel of course. Thank
you.

608
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:35,360
» But again, I just want to also just I
guess and city attorney was brought up a

609
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:40,639
good point. So with those tiers, the the
first violation of $100 is for the first

610
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:44,960
violation. So that's day one.
>> So that's

611
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:47,920
» the second violation of $200 is the sec
is for the second violation, which is

612
02:01:46,639 --> 02:01:53,280
day two in a calendar year.
>> Okay. The third violation is $500, which

613
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:55,599
is which is is technically day three in
a calendar year.

614
02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:59,199
» So, let me go back then because I'm
still not quite following it. So, if

615
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:03,840
they're fined Yes.
>> So, they don't have a a um a license,

616
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:06,000
they're fined $100, day one.
>> Yes.

617
02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:08,719
» They don't come in on day two to pay
that, then it goes to 200.

618
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:14,719
» That's my question.
>> Yeah. So, basically what this is saying

619
02:02:10,639 --> 02:02:19,360
is technically they could be fined um
$300 for operating two days in a row.

620
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:24,719
Technically, they could be they or they
could be fined $800 for operating three

621
02:02:22,719 --> 02:02:27,040
days in a row without a license or three
days within a calendar year.

622
02:02:26,639 --> 02:02:30,080
» So,
>> so it's every day they're operating.

623
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:34,480
» Every day they're operating. So, if they
oper if if they have if we if we confirm

624
02:02:32,639 --> 02:02:40,960
a violation
for three days at any point within a

625
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:45,119
calendar year, that's $800. It could be
three days in a row. It could be three

626
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:50,080
days spread across the year. Yeah.
Wouldn't it make sense that we would

627
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:56,480
find them a flat fee for not having it
and then for every day that you follow?

628
02:02:53,119 --> 02:03:02,159
Because to me, if if you don't have the
license and you're operating and you

629
02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:06,639
close, that was one day. So, what was
what did you have to pay? $100 for one

630
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:10,880
day operating. That was all
>> what one day if it's the first violation

631
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:15,119
or first offense within a calendar year.
>> So, then what was the incentive of not

632
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:18,880
paying the 250? to me. Maybe I'm I'm
thinking about it wrong, but it makes

633
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:23,599
sense to me. If you have 250 for a for a
fee and you got caught and you didn't

634
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:28,159
have a license, then you have to pay a
something higher than that 250 for not

635
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:31,119
doing what you were supposed to do. And
then if you continue to operate, then

636
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:35,760
whatever that number is, council
decides, you know, if that can be done.

637
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:39,119
But to me, the first initial hit has to
be, hey, you were caught, you didn't

638
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:42,639
have it. Here's your here's your fine
higher than what it was that if you

639
02:03:40,719 --> 02:03:46,560
would have just come and complied. And
then if you go on then that's that's

640
02:03:44,719 --> 02:03:51,199
another story. But that's the way I look
at it. I'm just trying to see we want

641
02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:54,000
people to comply but if you don't put a
a sting enough on there then they're

642
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:59,520
going to play the odds and say well
we'll just see if we get caught or not.

643
02:03:55,440 --> 02:04:01,840
And to me that doesn't make sense.
>> Council member Fen.

644
02:04:00,639 --> 02:04:06,719
» Okay. Thank you. I've got a few
questions. Um first on the violation and

645
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:11,440
the license is it by property or by
property owner?

646
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:14,560
because there's a high in my opinion
there may be a high probability that

647
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:19,280
that somebody owns more than one
property and you know if they've

648
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:22,800
» Yeah, it's by property.
>> Okay. And so then do they need a license

649
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:26,719
for each property?
>> Yes.

650
02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:33,800
» Okay. All right. And then um how is the
city staff going to go about informing

651
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:33,800
the current ones that are out there?

652
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:39,119
So, if council moves forward with the
adoption of this program, the city

653
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:42,480
manager's office and community
development department would work with

654
02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:46,639
communications to have a campaign
notifying the current short-term rentals

655
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:50,480
because the software that we purchased
that we're onboarding right now has the

656
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:54,320
address based on the listings that they
have on Airbnb and all the other

657
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:58,000
short-term rental websites and they have
the contact information for them. So

658
02:04:56,239 --> 02:05:01,360
then we can contact them directly with
letters that we're already drafting. But

659
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:04,719
then, as I mentioned, we can do a
campaign with our communications

660
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:07,520
division so that it's on social media
and it's available for everyone to know

661
02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:13,840
that we're going to start implementing
this program come January 2027.

662
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:18,639
» Okay. And then um after the program
starts, if we had a new listing pop up

663
02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:22,800
from someone that was was a brand new
short-term rental, is there a grace

664
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:26,320
period for them to be, you know, would
we reach out to them and say, "Hey, I

665
02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:29,040
see you just listed your property for
the very first time. We have this

666
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:31,440
ordinance.
Do they have a grace period? Do they

667
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:35,119
have a, you know, a certain number of
days to get on board?" Or it's no, you

668
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:39,520
immediately get fined because you didn't
follow the rules. My thought was if

669
02:05:37,599 --> 02:05:43,520
somebody new came in after all those
notices went out, they may not know this

670
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:47,360
exists.
So, as of now, there is no specific

671
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:51,520
grace period. However, it's something
that we can establish if council would

672
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:54,880
like a specific time frame. There is
going to be, of course, a time period

673
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:58,000
between when a letter is sent out to
them and of course when code enforcement

674
02:05:56,480 --> 02:06:02,719
can then go out and visit the property
to make sure they are in compliance. But

675
02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:06,960
our software also checks the websites to
make sure that if a listing pops up, if

676
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:10,560
there is no short-term rental license
number, which will be assigned once they

677
02:06:08,719 --> 02:06:13,280
purchase one, then they will be sent a
letter saying, "Hey, you need to be in

678
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:18,159
compliance and purchase a short-term
rental license." Okay? So then, so fast

679
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:22,719
forwarding, let's say we're in the month
of February now, and this has been

680
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:27,840
passed and a new one pops up, you see it
advertised online, reach out to that

681
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:31,040
property owner. At what point does that
property owner need to get that license

682
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:35,920
or they're looking at fees? Are we just
catch them hopefully while it's just

683
02:06:33,119 --> 02:06:40,639
listed and not rented out yet or is it
or is the fee kick in once it's been

684
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:43,679
once it's been rented and they've
actually used it?

685
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:48,880
» You understand my question?
>> Yeah. Okay. So, the software runs weekly

686
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:53,119
reports on when a short-term rental
license is listed on the website and it

687
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:58,000
scans through all the websites online.
Now, once one is listed, they are sent a

688
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:00,960
notice or a letter stating, "Hey, you
need to be in compliance with getting a

689
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:04,000
short-term rental license."
>> Then they have 15 days in between each

690
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:05,840
notice.
>> Okay?

691
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:09,679
» And then once they receive the first
notice, it's just a, "Hey, you need to

692
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:13,040
get a short-term rental license." After
15 days, then they'll get their forced

693
02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:16,480
warning and then that's when the
citations end up kicking in.

694
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:18,719
» And we've got an automated automated
system that is correct,

695
02:07:17,679 --> 02:07:21,679
» currently doing that. So, we don't have
to wait on human intervention in case

696
02:07:20,159 --> 02:07:25,599
they missed it. And I just want to add
we we wouldn't penalize somebody if they

697
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:29,679
didn't receive that initial notice. We
would make sure they get a notice first.

698
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:33,280
» Okay. All right. Thank you. And that 15
days is what I was was I was looking

699
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:38,560
for. Thank you,
>> Council Member Lara.

700
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:41,920
» Thank you, Mayor. Um and I I agree with
Council Member Martinez. I think maybe

701
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:45,599
the the initial fee may need to be
higher and then maybe what you do is you

702
02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:49,760
give a 15-day grace period in order to
obtain that license because what I've

703
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:57,520
seen that that can happen is if you do
it by the day staff will lose track and

704
02:07:53,920 --> 02:08:01,840
then it ends up being $100 or maybe it's
you know 200 or 300 but it's it's

705
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:06,079
difficult to track the number of days I
think in some instances especially if

706
02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:11,360
you're you're busy with other items. So,
you just might be easier to do a $500

707
02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:14,719
and then wait 15 days. If they don't
comply within the 15 days, then it's

708
02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:19,119
another 500 or it's another 200,
whatever that next level is. But that

709
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:25,280
may be something to consider to look at.
The other uh question I have is if you

710
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:31,840
go into the draft ordinance
under section B or excuse me, C

711
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:35,599
subsection,
>> it's under section 8.

712
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:40,239
» Oh, section 8, excuse me.
and then C

713
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:45,360
» and then C. And then subsection B goes
into any person violating the subsection

714
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:49,520
may be ordered to immediately cease a
short-term rental operations, but those

715
02:08:47,199 --> 02:08:54,400
fines are $1,000 for the first
violation, 3,000 for the second, and

716
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:59,360
5,000 for the third. So, [snorts]
they're completely different than what

717
02:08:56,000 --> 02:09:03,760
we're talking about on the proposed uh
recovery fees. So the attachments that

718
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:08,239
were on the dis were the updated
ordinance that was in correlation with

719
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:13,679
our current administrative citation.
Now this is an option that was from when

720
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:17,840
we did a survey of surrounding cities
that had short-term rental license as

721
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:21,679
well. They did have higher amounts but
the what the ordinances on the dis is

722
02:09:20,159 --> 02:09:26,480
the correct amount based on our current
administrative citation. As you guys

723
02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:30,000
stated, if you want an higher fee,
that's something that council can direct

724
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:35,040
staff to incorporate and then we can
bring that back. However, the current

725
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:41,400
amount is the 100, 200, 500 based on
what's currently in the code.

726
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:41,400
Okay. Um,

727
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:51,079
and here does not reference the number
of days. Is that is that somewhere else?

728
02:09:57,280 --> 02:10:02,760
At least
>> it's un sorry it's under section C

729
02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:08,320
» right below that
>> each calendar day that the unlicensed

730
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:13,239
operation can use constitutes an
additional violation under C.

731
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:22,960
» Okay.
And then it uh aside from the fees or

732
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:27,480
the the penalties once we get those uh
worked out um

733
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:33,890
» just for clarification it's under
section C subsection C

734
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:38,040
» correct
[laughter]

735
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:38,040
each separate

736
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:50,239
» see and and and that kind of goes to my
concern is that how does staff verify

737
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:53,920
that that is in operation for those
calendar days because they can say, "Oh,

738
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:57,119
we stopped, but the advertisement is
still up." Because you'll see that the

739
02:10:55,119 --> 02:11:00,079
website will stay up so they can
continue to make reservations, but they

740
02:10:58,719 --> 02:11:02,400
can tell you, "Well, nobody's been
here."

741
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:06,639
» You you'd have to validate it. So, you
have to perform a site visit and

742
02:11:04,719 --> 02:11:12,159
» yeah, I'd like to try to keep it and at
least in this initial roll out, make it

743
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:17,679
simpler for staff. Um, that's just my my
thought on that. Um, and then we we

744
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:21,840
looked at contracting out. It sounds
like we're we've p we're going to

745
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:25,679
purchase software and then roll this out
and see how that goes. And I'm assuming

746
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:29,440
it's going to be our first year is going
to be pretty dynamic. Uh, obviously we

747
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:32,800
we compared fees with other
jurisdictions without because we don't

748
02:11:31,119 --> 02:11:36,560
have anything to do a nexus study on.
And so I think maybe after a couple

749
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:39,440
years we'll see how this operates and
and go from there.

750
02:11:39,119 --> 02:11:43,760
» Okay.
>> Yeah. So the initial agreement with the

751
02:11:41,679 --> 02:11:48,159
software company will be one year. Okay?
It'll be one year from last month and

752
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:51,360
then we will bring it to council with
results. We'll have tangible results

753
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:55,440
based on number of listings, revenue
that's received by the city and then of

754
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:59,119
course the toot tax collected and then
we'll bring forth a multi-year agreement

755
02:11:57,119 --> 02:12:00,880
if council decides to move forward with
continuing the short-term rental

756
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:03,440
program.
>> Okay. Thank you very much. That's all I

757
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:07,440
have.
>> Mayor Prom White.

758
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:12,560
» Uh yeah, I have a couple questions. I I
noticed that um in that same section, I

759
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:18,320
believe, no, it's down below operational
standards, the occupancy is limited to

760
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:22,639
two persons per approved bedroom. I know
every time I've gotten a Airbnb, it

761
02:12:20,719 --> 02:12:28,400
always has one bedroom that has two bunk
beds in it. So, you got four people

762
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:32,000
there. Um how do we how do we deal with
that?

763
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:37,199
that that's going to be. So, some of
these provisions in here are provisions

764
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:41,280
we're stating to to create limitations,
but in practice, they're hard to monitor

765
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:43,840
and enforce. So, you know,
theoretically, you could get an

766
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:46,800
inspection warrant and go in and see
four bunk beds in a room if it if

767
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:50,719
something really escalated to that
level, but but definitely in practice,

768
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:53,679
it's going to be a difficult thing to
monitor, enforce.

769
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:57,920
» I would think if they have a license, we
know how many bedrooms they have. And if

770
02:12:55,760 --> 02:13:03,599
they're advertising it sleeps 10, you
know. And the other question I have,

771
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:08,719
again, my experience with Airbnbs or um
what do they call short-term rentals is

772
02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:12,880
um there's also usually a fold out in
the front room and that kind of stuff.

773
02:13:11,199 --> 02:13:18,880
Um
I think my bigger question is,

774
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:23,599
is it really worth it to try and enforce
all this?

775
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:30,800
I mean, I I I could see where we could
have things that we can enforce and some

776
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:35,040
things are in here like noise, parking,
um, some of those things without having

777
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:39,360
to, you know, go into the house. I mean,
sure, we can go into the house if they

778
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:45,119
want a license. I'm just wondering how
much it's going to cost for staff time

779
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:50,320
to do all of this when it may be easier
to maybe have higher dollar amounts and

780
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:54,719
and and only focus on the kinds of
things that we can point to and take a

781
02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:59,199
picture of and say, "Look, you've got
five cars in your parking in your

782
02:13:56,719 --> 02:14:03,920
driveway and and you got a party in the
back with 50 people." Uh those kinds of

783
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:08,880
things we can we can monitor a lot
easier. So, so just so for for I guess

784
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:12,880
number one, I agree with you. I the main
reason to create an ordinance like this

785
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:16,880
in a city is to deal with house
short-term rentals that come be could

786
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:21,199
become a nuisance or or an issue. That's
the idea behind it is having an active

787
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:25,440
monitoring mechanism with parameters in
place and expectations in place with how

788
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:30,320
they operate. Um it's it's not a revenue
generating tool. It is an administrative

789
02:14:27,599 --> 02:14:34,400
burden and that's one of the reasons why
um staff presented a recommendation to

790
02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:38,239
council early this year to have this
third party help us with this and staff

791
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:44,159
was supportive of that. Um for
clarification, are you suggesting that

792
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:49,840
rather than having a system or an active
monitoring mechanism, we address permits

793
02:14:47,599 --> 02:14:52,560
on a case-byase basis when we get a com
when we get a complaint on a prospective

794
02:14:51,679 --> 02:15:00,239
short-term rental?
>> You know, I don't know. I I I'm a big

795
02:14:55,440 --> 02:15:04,480
proponent of regulating in some way the
uh short-term rentals. I know that it it

796
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:10,639
can impact neighborhoods. It can impact
higher cities um and countries that have

797
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:16,480
so much air, you know, so much
short-term rentals that kids in their

798
02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:21,920
20s and 30s can't find a place to rent
because it's much more, you know, much

799
02:15:18,239 --> 02:15:25,679
more um it's a a better investment for a
home to turn it into short-term rental.

800
02:15:23,679 --> 02:15:30,639
So, I understand when you try and put 10
people into to a home that has three

801
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:34,880
bedrooms. I've been in those homes and
and they're really not that bad. And I

802
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:40,320
mean, you're not expecting a Taj Mahal
type home, but um I just I think this is

803
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:46,320
going to be a big issue when the
Olympics come and I think that we we

804
02:15:43,119 --> 02:15:49,599
need to address it some way. I just
now I'm I'm more interested in what

805
02:15:48,079 --> 02:15:54,000
you're talking about as far as a third
party doing this because I, you know, I

806
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:58,960
think that's something that they're
going to do it in a way that is

807
02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:02,480
profitable for them and that's going to
give them a little more direction and

808
02:16:00,239 --> 02:16:06,560
we're not spending a lot of staff time
on on these kinds of issues. And then

809
02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:11,040
the the other question I have for you is
if somebody in in a lot of the other

810
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:16,239
things that the ordinances that we have,
there's always an appeal process. So, if

811
02:16:14,079 --> 02:16:20,960
someone comes through and says, "Wait a
second. I I didn't have two bunk beds in

812
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:26,719
that room, and you're charging me x
amount of dollars." And does it then go

813
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:34,880
I think in here talked about a um an
appeal hearing person? Um, and then if

814
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:40,399
if that if that hearing or that process
is not satisfactory to the person who's

815
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:43,760
bringing it forward, then it does it
that does it then come to council and

816
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:48,639
we're sitting there deciding these kinds
of issues. At that point,

817
02:16:46,960 --> 02:16:52,240
what I would say is it would revert to
the standard code enforcement process.

818
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:56,719
It can't be remedied through this fine
tier, which does include other remedies

819
02:16:54,960 --> 02:17:02,479
for addressing an issue. And sometimes
these do resort to that. Um,

820
02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:06,240
so what I I guess I would what I would
say just going through the the course of

821
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:09,439
some of your points. Number one, I think
that the idea behind utilizing this

822
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:15,679
particular software product that I think
is 16,000 a year is it automates it

823
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:21,040
automates identifying, noticing, and
monitoring rentals. That's the main um

824
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:25,359
advantage of it and it takes most of the
administrative burden off of it. the

825
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:30,719
part the portion of the administrative
burden it doesn't remove is having to in

826
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:36,240
you know investigate a situation and
then follow up on the violation part of

827
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:41,519
it. I I think the the software is a good
starting point for us to give a to to to

828
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:48,240
begin the program and see what we have
and then we can re you know revisit it

829
02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:51,439
in the future to to um evaluate if that
if that is a good approach if that

830
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:56,800
software is worth it or if we should
retool. Um, and I also think that, you

831
02:17:54,800 --> 02:18:01,280
know, when we come back later, we'd
probably also have a better perspective

832
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:06,880
on if some of these fine amounts um need
to be further tweaked. And and and I'm I

833
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:10,240
certainly um, you know, I'm I agree with
everything the council has said tonight,

834
02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:15,200
and I think adjusting a fine amount to
be equal to the first tier or more of of

835
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:18,000
the license makes a lot of sense. But,
um, I do think we'll learn a lot that

836
02:18:16,880 --> 02:18:23,040
first year, and we'll be able to come
back and and further evaluate. Um, and

837
02:18:21,519 --> 02:18:26,960
that answered my next question, which
was when you say come back later, you're

838
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:30,719
saying after it's in place for a year as
opposed to coming back with some of the

839
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:34,639
changes that we've talked about up here.
We can make the changes now to the fine

840
02:18:32,960 --> 02:18:38,319
amounts. If the council would like, we
can, you know, per whatever with your

841
02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:42,800
direction tonight, we can adjust the
fine amounts to equal whatever you

842
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:47,599
suggest. 250 for the first fine, 500 for
the second fine, 700 750 for the third

843
02:18:45,439 --> 02:18:53,679
fine, or a different amount if you
suggest a different amount. Um,

844
02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:56,479
» I really like the 1,00 2,000 5,000.
>> That's fine. We can do that, too. We can

845
02:18:55,359 --> 02:18:59,920
do that, too.
>> I want to be clear here. I I I

846
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:07,679
appreciate the work that's gone into
this. I think this is a

847
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:12,479
an issue that has got a lot of a lot of
issues with it, a lot of problems that I

848
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:18,960
see going forward. And I think the
easier we can make it to identify the

849
02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:23,439
issues we're finding them over and
increasing the fine amounts that makes

850
02:19:21,679 --> 02:19:30,000
it a lot I think it makes it more
palatable for me. Um I think we need

851
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:35,040
something. So um again I I unlike ADUs
this is a place where we can actually

852
02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:39,359
restrict parking. Correct. I mean we can
we can say and and that's another

853
02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:44,559
question. If you have a home and an ADU,
how does how does that play into it? If

854
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:49,760
you're I'm sure if I'm a short-term
rental person with a home, I'm going to

855
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:54,479
put an ADU on there for sure and and now
increase the amount of people and amount

856
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:58,720
of cars that can can be in there.
So, I don't know. I don't know what the

857
02:19:55,760 --> 02:20:03,600
answer is. We need something. Um
>> Well, why don't we why don't we seek for

858
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:07,280
a couple um points of clarification? So,
let's start with

859
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:10,640
Go ahead. I do want to mention um
accessory dwelling units are not allowed

860
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:12,000
to be used as short-term rentals per
this ordinance.

861
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:13,760
» Okay.
>> Just wanted to mention that. Sorry.

862
02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:18,080
» Okay.
>> No, thank you. No, that's okay.

863
02:20:16,319 --> 02:20:22,960
» All right. So, if we want to address the
fines, let's um figure it out. What

864
02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:29,040
seems to be a reasonable fine that we
would like to see here? Is it double so

865
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:32,319
that it stings a little bit? So, if 250
is your license or are we seeking for

866
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:36,560
compliance? For me, I would be seeking
for compliance. So, I would think that

867
02:20:34,319 --> 02:20:40,160
the 250 would be reasonable. I get your
point, though, you know, it's not

868
02:20:38,479 --> 02:20:45,120
really, you know, but I'm we're I think
we're trying to to seek for compliance.

869
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:49,840
So, for me, it'd be the same as um that
first tier. And I would suggest 250,

870
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:54,960
500, and then a thousand because if you
don't comply, I do like um Council

871
02:20:52,479 --> 02:20:58,319
Member Lara's discussion about 15 days.
So, you get your initial warning, that's

872
02:20:56,479 --> 02:21:02,880
your 250, you don't pay it. your next
one's 15 days later, we send you a

873
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:07,600
notice, you're paying 500 on top of the
250 and then um kind of compounding from

874
02:21:06,319 --> 02:21:13,840
there.
>> I I like either 350 or 500. And the

875
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:19,600
reason I say that is because it's if
somebody follows the the ordinance,

876
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:25,680
» it's 250 for the license plus $100 for
the inspection. So, they're out 350 to

877
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:29,359
begin with. And so there's got to be a a
in my head anyways a benefit to

878
02:21:27,920 --> 02:21:35,920
following the ordinance as opposed to
not following. So that's why I would say

879
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:39,359
500 um and then 15 days to uh obtain
your license.

880
02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:45,120
» Okay.
>> You know, I um I look make an analogy

881
02:21:43,120 --> 02:21:49,280
here. Um when you're driving on the
freeway and you see HOV lane, there's no

882
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:55,600
one around to stop you from going in
there. But when the sign says it's a

883
02:21:51,280 --> 02:22:01,280
$450 violation or $500 violation, I'm
not I'm not gonna even think about it.

884
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:07,920
So I think if we can if the fines are a
deterrent because even atund 250, we're

885
02:22:04,960 --> 02:22:14,720
not we're not regulating how much they
can charge for for a rental. So, they

886
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:21,439
could charge a rental $ 1,500 for a
night and then they have to pay a $250

887
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:27,120
fine if they get caught.
I I think I think if we don't have a

888
02:22:24,319 --> 02:22:34,399
fine structure that is a deterrent more
than a cost savings or a co or a revenue

889
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:41,280
I know it's not a revenue um process but
I just um I think I' I don't know how

890
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:46,640
I've never rented a short-term rental
for less than $5 $600

891
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:49,520
uh not a night but you know what I'm
saying I

892
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:54,240
» I do want to add I have had quite a bit
of experience with this and the ones

893
02:22:51,760 --> 02:22:59,680
that tend to be nuisances tend to rely
on booking many days of rentals. They

894
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:06,080
they end up, you know, they're relying
on continually booking out their rental.

895
02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:10,080
So, um I think you definitely and again,
I'm not advocating for any particular

896
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:15,600
dollar amount, but there is there's a
lot of um ability the city has to ramp

897
02:23:13,439 --> 02:23:18,880
up fines quickly when there are repeated
offenses, and we can validate them. I

898
02:23:17,439 --> 02:23:23,120
mean, they do happen during the week,
too. It takes staff time and work, but

899
02:23:20,880 --> 02:23:27,920
it is something that can be validated. A
>> and I'm okay with a small first one. I'm

900
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:31,760
okay with $100 for the first one, but
then it really needs to go up after that

901
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:35,120
because the first one is like someone's
like, "Well, oh, shoot. I didn't know

902
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:38,479
about that." Um, and then they say,
"Well, maybe I won't pay the hundred."

903
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:41,920
Well, now it's 500 tomorrow.
>> So, one suggestion might be 500 for the

904
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:46,479
first offense, a thousand for the
second, and 2,000 for the third. And

905
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:49,439
each individual date, each individual
offense constitutes a separate

906
02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:52,319
violation.
>> What does the council think about that?

907
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:55,439
» I'm good with that.
>> Okay. Looks like we have an answer.

908
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:59,680
You're good.
>> All right. Check that one off the box.

909
02:23:58,895 --> 02:24:05,800
[laughter]
>> I love checklists. Okay. What did we

910
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:05,800
have?

911
02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:15,680
» Okay. So, I just want to make sure I
understand the $500 fine. the initial

912
02:24:13,600 --> 02:24:21,920
fine when they're operating without a
license is that 500 per day or 500 and

913
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:26,479
then they have 15 days to get a license.
>> I think the way I the way I the way I

914
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:31,280
recommended it is 500 for the first
offense which is day one,000

915
02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:35,120
for the second offense which is day two
and and 2,000 for the third offense

916
02:24:33,680 --> 02:24:39,760
which is day three. Now, we don't have
to apply it that way every time, but we

917
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:43,280
have the ability to. And when there's a
repeat offender, you know, it would ramp

918
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:48,080
up to the 2,000 very quickly.
>> I'm still good with a low first day be

919
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:53,120
just because some people I mean, we
talked about a grace period for new pe

920
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:57,439
for new a short-term rentals, but
short-term rentals that are in operation

921
02:24:55,040 --> 02:25:01,280
right now and maybe still we don't c we
don't catch on to them until two or

922
02:24:59,439 --> 02:25:05,600
three months from now, they're probably
still not under a grace period. But I

923
02:25:03,359 --> 02:25:09,680
think the $100 says, "Hey, you know,
please don't do this again. It's only a

924
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:14,000
hundred bucks this time." Um, if you if
you plan to fix if you you know, make

925
02:25:11,359 --> 02:25:19,040
arrangements to fix it, it won't be 500
the next day. Um, but

926
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:21,040
» Council Member Martinez,
>> the only the only concern

927
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:24,080
» and they will they will get noticed
first. I just want to make sure you

928
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:27,120
» Yeah, they're going to get a warning.
Everyone get So, to be clear,

929
02:25:25,520 --> 02:25:31,359
everybody's getting a warning. Yes.
>> And then you're coming into compliance.

930
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:36,080
If you get a second notice, that is day
one. That is your first fee.

931
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:41,200
» I was under the impression that we would
um so after the warning if you got the

932
02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:45,680
fine 500 and then I thought there'd be a
15 days to come and get it settled

933
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:49,920
before it hits a thousand and and
>> so the so the council did bring that up

934
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:55,120
as an option. I'm in in practice though
um and you we we could do that where we

935
02:25:51,920 --> 02:26:00,240
have 15 days in between violations. The
only caveat is they could theoretically

936
02:25:56,800 --> 02:26:04,479
operate 15 days, book for 15 days, then
get another violation, then operate for

937
02:26:01,920 --> 02:26:08,240
another 15 days, and then get the third
violation.

938
02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:11,600
» 500 and then 100 days for every day they
haven't come in.

939
02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:14,240
» And it would be it would be
>> 500, a,000 2,000,

940
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:16,640
» right?
>> One, day, two, day, three. You got your

941
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:18,800
warrant. They have already had a
warning.

942
02:26:16,960 --> 02:26:24,479
» And in practice, we don't have to apply
it as

943
02:26:21,439 --> 02:26:27,760
» $2,500 for a three-day run. We could
give them, you know, if they ignore it

944
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:32,240
the first time, we could give them $500
for the violation and then let them give

945
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:36,399
them time to comply and then wait till
the second to charge them the 2,000 to,

946
02:26:34,240 --> 02:26:40,720
excuse me, the the 1,000. But this gives
the latitude if there's a really

947
02:26:38,640 --> 02:26:45,120
significant offense, for example, to
apply a greater fine amount.

948
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:49,760
» Well, to me, having the 500 in the
beginning, to me, again, like I already

949
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:53,920
stated, it's above what they're paying
in the first place. So, that's your

950
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:57,600
first deterrent. Plus the fact that it
would to me it's more work on staff. If

951
02:26:55,680 --> 02:27:01,760
you keep it low, then they have to kind
of keep going back and checking. But if

952
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:06,560
they have a higher one or at least equal
like a 500 one, then their chances of

953
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:10,080
coming in and getting that taken care of
is easier for staff to deal with and not

954
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:12,720
having to keep following up and so
forth. So,

955
02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:19,520
» and if you wanted a pause between it,
you could you could say per um per

956
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:22,960
booking instead of per day. But
>> too much.

957
02:27:20,960 --> 02:27:28,479
» I mean, it to me it appears the city
manager is recommending that we do it

958
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:32,960
one, two, and three to give latitude um
for us to then use it at our discretion

959
02:27:31,280 --> 02:27:35,920
essentially. But that puts it to the
strictest if I'm

960
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:38,960
» gives us the tool basket to do that.
Yes.

961
02:27:36,319 --> 02:27:43,520
» Which is five 1,00200
>> 5 1,000 2000.

962
02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:49,840
» I'm okay with that latitude. The concern
that I would have is

963
02:27:46,479 --> 02:27:56,319
homeowner A gets $5,000 fines in three
days and homeowner B gets a th000. And

964
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:59,200
so there's no consistency in regards to
the fines. And that's where I would have

965
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:03,280
a concern because then they're just
arbitrary or they can be. I shouldn't

966
02:28:01,520 --> 02:28:07,200
say that they would be, but that's that
would be my concern in that regard. the

967
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:11,040
the code and the code right now has that
is actually states similar language for

968
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:15,680
a lot of a lot of offenses in the code a
lot of nuisances and in practice the way

969
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:19,200
it's applied is based off of you know
there's a number of factors. So for

970
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:22,960
example with short-term rentals maybe
somebody's hosting a commercial wedding

971
02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:26,880
at their house and it lasts two days or
three days and we've we've talked to

972
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:31,760
them and they're still holding it. you
know, that might be a situation where,

973
02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:34,560
you know, it's determined a greater, you
know, more significant application is

974
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:38,560
necessary, especially if we're
validating every consecutive day. That's

975
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:44,280
» well, and then I like the booking idea
as well. So, however you think is the

976
02:28:40,720 --> 02:28:44,280
easiest way to be

977
02:28:45,840 --> 02:28:52,399
» and just so to be clear for someone who
is following the rules, the initial fee

978
02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:56,960
is
>> $500 after a warning.

979
02:28:54,800 --> 02:29:00,000
I'm saying they no warning. They're just
they come in and they say, "Look at I

980
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:05,040
don't want to deal with any of this. I'm
going to follow the rules. The initial

981
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:09,920
fee for the license, I guess, is
>> $250 and $100 for the inspection

982
02:29:07,359 --> 02:29:11,120
» and then so it's 350 for the year."
>> Mhm.

983
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:15,280
» Okay.
>> Correct.

984
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:19,680
» Okay. Yes. I've got a concern that you
these are absentee owners and if we try

985
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:24,960
to do it per day, I would think nearly
everyone's going to have a, you know,

986
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:30,080
$3,000 or so by day two or three. Um
that I I like the idea of a of a time

987
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:35,840
frame in between those
um you know, the fees, you know,

988
02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:41,600
increasing. Um so I think of maybe a
bigger fee initially for not having the

989
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:45,120
license. Um, but I think there needs to
be a time frame in between. If you've

990
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:48,319
got an absency owner that's on the other
side of the country, depending on what

991
02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:52,720
time of day you contact them, they've
already lost a day. Um, and so I think

992
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:55,920
that we're getting to a point where then
it's going to get everybody's going to

993
02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:59,359
be looking at really high fees and it's
going to just not to say get out of

994
02:29:58,160 --> 02:30:04,399
hand, but it's going to get very
expensive on them and they'll probably

995
02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:09,840
come back to say I responded as soon as
I could and now I'm, you know, I would

996
02:30:07,439 --> 02:30:14,240
think a 48 or 72h hour response time
would be reasonable for somebody, but

997
02:30:12,240 --> 02:30:18,240
then if they're looking at a $3,000 fine
because it was the weekend or they were

998
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:20,880
gone or family emergency or they were in
Tahiti or whatever,

999
02:30:19,840 --> 02:30:24,960
that
>> it it would be troublesome. So, I think

1000
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:29,200
that there should be a I like the idea
of a 15 day window in between each each

1001
02:30:28,479 --> 02:30:34,800
increase.
>> Yeah. How are uh noise uh disturbances

1002
02:30:32,720 --> 02:30:38,560
dealt with currently? So, if you get a
fine for a noise disturbance and then

1003
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:42,880
you have it the following day, how do we
currently rectify that issue? Is it day

1004
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:46,080
it's compounding?
>> It's dependent on it's dependent on how

1005
02:30:44,399 --> 02:30:51,040
the note that the it's served, the
citation is served. So if it's served in

1006
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:55,040
person then it's it can be applied
immediate then well usually there's a

1007
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:58,319
period there's a 15 period day period of
correction if it's served in period in

1008
02:30:56,560 --> 02:31:03,040
person and typically a 20-day if it's
mailed. Um however there's a caveat in

1009
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:07,120
the code that if it has to do with
health safety and welfare you can apply

1010
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:10,720
it immediately.
So, you know, and and if you want to be

1011
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:15,680
consistent with that and based off the
council's comments, then then you you

1012
02:31:13,520 --> 02:31:19,120
could you could add a 15-day, especially
considering a lot of these probably

1013
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:23,040
would be mailed.
>> In the ordinance, they are required to

1014
02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:27,520
have somebody that's responsible 247 and
that person be the one that pays the fee

1015
02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:30,160
if an owner is
>> on the ball is going to have that person

1016
02:31:29,040 --> 02:31:34,479
be able to take care of that. So, I
think that that's on on the owner to to

1017
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:38,720
make sure that that happens.
>> Okay. So, um,

1018
02:31:37,359 --> 02:31:42,160
» one more comment, please.
>> Yeah.

1019
02:31:39,439 --> 02:31:44,880
» Um, this is a first reading, right?
>> Yeah.

1020
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:51,280
» I think there's too many unknowns and
too many different ideas up here that we

1021
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:54,560
should bring it back for another, you
know, you you take into account what

1022
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:58,720
we're what we're talking about. Try and
find something that sort of addresses

1023
02:31:56,240 --> 02:32:02,319
what we're concerned with and then we
bring it back for the next one as

1024
02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:06,399
opposed to approving anything tonight.
>> Can we narrow down the concerns first?

1025
02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:09,040
So, I'm I know it's the fees. What are
the other concerns?

1026
02:32:07,439 --> 02:32:12,319
» I think we've voiced all the concerns
and I think you you guys normally what

1027
02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:16,399
you do is you go back and review the
video and and and look at I think you

1028
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:20,880
have a good sense of where we're coming
from. We're not in that kind of a hurry.

1029
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:25,200
I mean, there's nothing urgent that
makes us have to move forward with this

1030
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:29,439
tonight without getting some of our
concerns answered. Maybe you won't

1031
02:32:27,040 --> 02:32:33,840
answer the concerns of each one of us.
But if if you put it more in a way that

1032
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:37,520
that I'm I know what I'm voting on right
now, I don't really know what I'm voting

1033
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:41,040
on because even if we give you a list of
of things that you're going to put into

1034
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:45,120
this and it comes back for a second
reading and we're at the point now where

1035
02:32:42,960 --> 02:32:47,840
we need to approve it or or start over,
that's my that's my concern and that's I

1036
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:51,359
would
>> I would like I don't want to table it.

1037
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:55,520
If if I need to table it, I'll make that
motion. But I think just bring we can

1038
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:59,040
address that in a second reading, can't
we? No, we I and and I concur. I think

1039
02:32:57,760 --> 02:33:02,640
based off of some of the comments,
especially if we're adding um the gap in

1040
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:06,080
there, it would be good for us to have
some additional time to work on the

1041
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:09,600
language. So, I would I would say
continue it to the first meeting in

1042
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:13,359
October and we can bring it back to you
with some revised language. Okay.

1043
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:15,680
» So, not just as a second reading. You'd
like to continue this first meeting.

1044
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:19,200
» First reading, correct?
>> So, I will move to continue this to the

1045
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:21,359
first meeting in October.
>> I'll second.

1046
02:33:20,240 --> 02:33:23,520
» All right. Can I get a roll call,
please?

1047
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:25,439
» Council member Laura?
>> Yes.

1048
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:27,120
» Council member Finn. Yes.
>> Council member Martinez.

1049
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:28,640
» Yes.
>> Mayor Prom White.

1050
02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:30,880
» Yes.
>> Mayor Voy.

1051
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:34,640
» Yes.
>> All right. Well, we will go on to our

1052
02:33:33,120 --> 02:33:40,760
next public hearing. Ebikes and
e-conveyance ordinance. Also, a staff

1053
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:40,760
report by Mr. Usher.

1054
02:33:58,319 --> 02:34:06,240
Good evening, mayor and city council.
The items on the dis are the corrected

1055
02:34:03,280 --> 02:34:09,920
versions with this uh ordinance. They're
just adjustments in the formatting.

1056
02:34:08,399 --> 02:34:12,319
» So there's no adjustments or changes to
the to the fine amounts. It's just the

1057
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:15,479
formatting.
>> Got it.

1058
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:25,280
So tonight, council's first review of a
comprehensive local ordinance addressing

1059
02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:30,720
bicycles, ebikes, e scooters, and other
electric conveyances. Staff is asking

1060
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:35,760
council to review this ordinance, adopt
the fee related schedule, and establish

1061
02:34:32,720 --> 02:34:40,359
a clear framework for how these devices
may be operated and forced within the

1062
02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:40,359
city.

1063
02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:47,600
So why this ordinance is needed? Now,
the use of ebikes, e- scooters, and

1064
02:34:46,160 --> 02:34:53,120
similar devices has increased
significantly both for transportation

1065
02:34:50,080 --> 02:34:57,600
and recreation. With that growth, staff
has seen more concerns involving

1066
02:34:54,800 --> 02:35:01,760
excessive speed, reckless riding,
conflicts with pedestrian and motorists,

1067
02:34:59,840 --> 02:35:06,560
and the use of motorized devices in
parks and other areas that were not

1068
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:11,120
designated for this specific activity.
We're also seeing high-powered electric

1069
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:14,800
scooters off off the highway and
sometimes even driven on sidewalks,

1070
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:19,280
which does not fit neatly within the
rules most residents associate with

1071
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:23,520
traditional ebikes. The purpose of this
ordinance to give riders, parents, and

1072
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:27,160
enforcement staff one clear set of
operational standards.

1073
02:35:29,439 --> 02:35:35,840
The ordinance focused primarily on
unsafe operation where these devices can

1074
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:40,880
be used. It prohibits riding against
traffic, unsafe passengers, racing,

1075
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:46,880
stunts, willies around pedestrians or
vehicles, distracted riding, operating

1076
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:51,920
without required lighting or helmet, and
operating on sidewalks or unnecessary or

1077
02:35:49,359 --> 02:35:57,680
prohibited areas. Sidewalk riding would
be limited to 5 mph or a lower speed

1078
02:35:54,960 --> 02:36:01,920
when conditions require it, and riders
must yield when entering sidewalks or

1079
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:06,479
roadways. E-conveyances would also be
prohibited in city parks, recreation

1080
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:11,280
areas, athletic fields, landscaped
areas, or similarly public spaces unless

1081
02:36:09,359 --> 02:36:15,000
the city specifically designates those
areas for that use.

1082
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:23,840
So, the ordinance also specifically
addresses electric offhighway

1083
02:36:21,359 --> 02:36:27,200
motorcycles. Unless they are lawfully
manufactured and registered for

1084
02:36:25,359 --> 02:36:31,760
onhighway use, they would not be
permitted on public streets, sidewalks,

1085
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:36,560
parks, paths, or trails. The ordinance
preserves ADA mobility devices use and

1086
02:36:34,640 --> 02:36:40,800
exempt for first responders performing
official duties. Helmet requirements are

1087
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:44,160
already within the code, which is why
it's not mentioned specifically in this

1088
02:36:42,479 --> 02:36:48,240
code.
For minors, a parent or guardian may be

1089
02:36:46,080 --> 02:36:52,000
held responsible for these violations,
and limited empoundment authority would

1090
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:56,240
be allowed if a device is to be taken
for safekeeping when an unaccompanied

1091
02:36:54,560 --> 02:37:00,560
minor is operating in a manner that
creates an immediate danger for

1092
02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:05,520
themselves or the public.
The proposed penalties on the screen, as

1093
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:10,560
you can see, for first violation offense
of any violation of this code is $500.

1094
02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:16,399
And there's an error supposed to be
2,000, not 200. The second violation is

1095
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:21,040
a thousand and the third violation is
2,000. That is correct in the ordinance,

1096
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:24,720
just not on the presentation.
So there is a comparison with the city

1097
02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:30,399
of Akypo, which is what we heavily base
this ordinance on where every violation

1098
02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:33,520
is a $2,000 fine. Now the city of Meny,
they have similar to our standard

1099
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:39,160
administrative citation, which is a
$100, $200, and $500 tiered amount

1100
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:39,160
citation.

1101
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:48,160
So this ordinance is intended to provide
a meaningful enforcement tool, but

1102
02:37:46,240 --> 02:37:52,640
education and clear notice are also
important. Community services and staff

1103
02:37:50,880 --> 02:37:56,399
plan to update park signage after
adoption, and the city manager or their

1104
02:37:54,800 --> 02:38:01,359
designate would have the authority to
designate additional no dismount or

1105
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:06,479
restricted areas within the within the
city specifically to address any safety

1106
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:10,880
concerns. Staff recommends that the city
council wave the first reading, adopt

1107
02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:13,439
the resolution, and return and staff
will return with the ordinance for a

1108
02:38:12,160 --> 02:38:18,240
second reading at the next available
council meeting. The goal of this is not

1109
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:22,319
to discourage ebike use. Is to create
predictable rules so these devices can

1110
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:26,080
be used safely and responsibly without
creating unnecessary conflicts in the

1111
02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:29,439
streets, sidewalk, parks, or other
public areas. That concludes my

1112
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:33,840
presentation and staff's available for
any questions. I I just want to add to

1113
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:39,040
there actually is one mention of helmets
under 10390205.

1114
02:38:36,399 --> 02:38:46,560
It refers to chapter 10.35
and actually we're recommending that

1115
02:38:40,640 --> 02:38:51,760
that that um a subsection 5 be removed
um just because it's duplicative and

1116
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:55,760
already in in chapter 10.35 of the
municipal code which is our helmet

1117
02:38:53,680 --> 02:39:00,040
ordinance. We don't feel like it it
needs to be um restated twice.

1118
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:11,120
And also um the helmet issue is already
covered in our existing ordinance and

1119
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:17,920
it's also raised again in 1039050
BNC. So we'd recommend approving it with

1120
02:39:14,800 --> 02:39:21,960
those provisions deleted because we feel
like it's adequately covered.

1121
02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:32,600
All right. Thank you. I will open up the
public hearing at 7:31. Do we have any

1122
02:39:29,359 --> 02:39:32,600
public comments?

1123
02:39:33,439 --> 02:39:40,399
» I have no written requests. Simone, do
we have any callers on the line?

1124
02:39:36,880 --> 02:39:43,760
» We have no callers at this time.
>> All right. I will close the public

1125
02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:49,600
hearing at 7:31 and open it up for
council discussion. Council member Lara.

1126
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:52,880
» Thank you, Mayor. Um, I had brought this
up last year, so just want to thank

1127
02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:58,319
staff for getting on this so quickly.
And my concern at that time was I was

1128
02:39:55,760 --> 02:40:02,640
coaching little kids on the soccer team
and they were we were in the park

1129
02:39:59,600 --> 02:40:09,520
practicing and it was a bunch of ebikes
turn terrorizing the uh the park. Um,

1130
02:40:06,720 --> 02:40:14,319
since then though there's been a lot of
ebike issues in regards to accidents,

1131
02:40:12,560 --> 02:40:18,160
hospitalization as a result of those
accidents, kids riding. I mean, you see

1132
02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:24,080
them riding all through the town without
helmets and uh and they're traveling at

1133
02:40:20,960 --> 02:40:29,600
a high rate of speed. It just so I it's
it's good that we've got this. I think

1134
02:40:25,680 --> 02:40:33,760
the timing is is right. Um as a the
school leaison, I did reach out to the

1135
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:38,399
school district because I think we need
to I really like the ordinance and I

1136
02:40:35,840 --> 02:40:42,880
think I'd like to try to obviously if
council agrees to partner with the

1137
02:40:40,960 --> 02:40:46,080
school district on a educ some type of
an education campaign for this

1138
02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:52,560
ordinance.
um and and if possible to do some type

1139
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:57,439
of training for these uh kids that are
using these ebikes because they they

1140
02:40:55,359 --> 02:41:02,720
they go a lot faster than they appear.
Um I got on one and haven't been on one

1141
02:41:00,160 --> 02:41:06,240
since. So um that could be just cuz I'm
old, but I don't you know I don't want

1142
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:08,720
to go that going down that road. But I
think this timing is perfect. I

1143
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:12,720
appreciate the efforts that have been
put forth by staff. Um I like the

1144
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:17,120
ordinance. I just want to make sure that
we get that word out and let folks know

1145
02:41:14,960 --> 02:41:22,800
that there is a ordinance that we have
that we're looking at. Thank you, Mayor.

1146
02:41:20,160 --> 02:41:28,080
» Absolutely. Uh, Council Member Fen.
>> Uh, yes. Thank you, Mayor. Um, so I know

1147
02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:33,439
that there's some legislation that's
being proposed or maybe even recently

1148
02:41:30,319 --> 02:41:38,000
signed in reference to um, ebikes and so
forth at the state level. Is there

1149
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:41,359
anything that in process on that that
would impact what we're trying to do

1150
02:41:39,280 --> 02:41:45,359
tonight?
So, I have a ledge update coming next

1151
02:41:43,439 --> 02:41:48,640
council meeting that will address those
concerns. However, there are a few

1152
02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:53,200
bills. I think it's about four or five
bills that address it. Some do include

1153
02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:57,120
education. Some include speeds and even
the types of vehicles that are allowed

1154
02:41:54,960 --> 02:42:00,960
to travel based on the speed that they
have. So, if a vehicle is in excess of a

1155
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:04,800
certain speed, then it requires
educational and then the state will then

1156
02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:08,080
come out with how we're supposed to
enforce that and the time frame for it.

1157
02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:12,240
But, I'll have more information during
the ledge update on the 15th. Okay.

1158
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:15,280
Thank you.
>> Piggybacking on that just a little bit,

1159
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:19,280
do you feel confident that this
ordinance will meet those if any of

1160
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:23,200
those do pass or get signed into law?
>> Yes. So, drafting this ordinance, we had

1161
02:42:21,120 --> 02:42:27,040
it in mind that these were going to pass
due to in contact with our legislative

1162
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:30,479
consultant. All these bills have been
flying through the committees. So, none

1163
02:42:28,800 --> 02:42:34,000
of them look like they won't pass, but
we've made sure that the ordinance is

1164
02:42:31,920 --> 02:42:36,720
compliant with those bills, making sure
that if they do pass, we wouldn't have

1165
02:42:35,520 --> 02:42:43,200
to change anything.
>> Okay, great. Thank you, Mayor Prom. Uh,

1166
02:42:39,680 --> 02:42:46,080
first of all, I I like Mr. Lara's idea.
I think partnering with the school

1167
02:42:44,640 --> 02:42:50,960
because I think who we really have to
reach are the parents who are going to

1168
02:42:47,439 --> 02:42:55,840
have to pay these fines. Um, my question
here is in in the definitions you talk

1169
02:42:53,439 --> 02:42:59,760
about um
where is it? It's an offhighway

1170
02:42:57,680 --> 02:43:04,240
motorcycle. We're talking about an
electric vehicle that drives as fast as

1171
02:43:02,080 --> 02:43:09,920
a motorcycle or we are actually talking
about mo gas gas motorcycles.

1172
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:14,399
So all this is in related to
specifically to electric vehicles. Now

1173
02:43:12,399 --> 02:43:18,960
there are electric motorcycles that go
just as fast 60 mi or even higher. And

1174
02:43:17,359 --> 02:43:24,000
so the whole point of this is
specifically is some of those are ridden

1175
02:43:21,200 --> 02:43:28,479
off on the sidewalks on the side of the
street and in parks in some instances.

1176
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:34,960
So it's in hopes to regulate those
specific vehicles. Um I have two

1177
02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:40,960
concerns. Uh number one is I think uh
Mr. Finn can attest to this, but you

1178
02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:45,040
drive up and down or go for a walk on um
Oak View

1179
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:50,319
» Oak View and there are gas motorcycles
going on the sidewalks. Do we have an

1180
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:54,319
ordinance for that? Do we have a way to,
you know, to penalize that?

1181
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:59,120
» Yep. So, that falls under the vehicle
code and what's allowed on on streets

1182
02:43:56,080 --> 02:44:04,080
and highways. Um this further refineses
that. So, offhighway vehicles as defined

1183
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:07,600
from here would be essentially a bike
without pedals. It's a motorcycle, an

1184
02:44:05,520 --> 02:44:10,399
electric motorcycle. So, there's vehicle
code, California vehicle code

1185
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:16,880
definitions for this. And I'm happy to
call um Chief or his design up to

1186
02:44:13,359 --> 02:44:24,319
» because my, you know, my concern is um
especially with what you guys just said

1187
02:44:18,880 --> 02:44:29,359
um is that gas driven motorcycles
um are a vehicle violation, which means

1188
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:35,200
the police are involved. are they
involved with electric bikes or is that

1189
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:42,000
something that a that a citizen can can
file a complaint? Um and then the other

1190
02:44:38,960 --> 02:44:47,520
question I have is there is an area
right in front of um my my development

1191
02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:53,600
where I live in Stson. It's a goodiz
area that is a

1192
02:44:50,080 --> 02:45:00,800
required natural um natural area the
city owns and maintains. Um, and it's

1193
02:44:57,279 --> 02:45:05,040
turning into a motorcycle track because
the kids are going out there both with

1194
02:45:02,240 --> 02:45:09,040
ebikes and with ga mainly gas motorcycle
and they're not kids. They're in their,

1195
02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:11,439
you know, I would call them kids, but
they're adults.

1196
02:45:10,000 --> 02:45:14,903
» Oh, so they're my age.
>> No. [laughter]

1197
02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:18,960
» Uh, thanks.
>> Sorry.

1198
02:45:18,319 --> 02:45:24,640
» Thanks.
>> I could get I couldn't. But if we're not

1199
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:30,000
addressing that um here I know that in
here it talks about uh these vehicles

1200
02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:36,240
cannot these rules and restrictions are
based on being on city rightaway

1201
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:43,120
property. Um and so again I just wonder
if if there's not a way to to make this

1202
02:45:38,800 --> 02:45:49,520
apply to uh kids on on motorcycles
because they're all over Oakland or Oak

1203
02:45:46,479 --> 02:45:52,680
View. Yeah. So anyways, that's just my
two cents.

1204
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:58,800
» Yeah, just to address if the question is
is yeah, the those that are riding in

1205
02:45:56,479 --> 02:46:02,960
the field as well as on um city manager
said when it comes to the gas uh

1206
02:46:01,040 --> 02:46:07,840
motorcycles, we yeah, anything on the
roadway has to meet the same as the DMV

1207
02:46:05,040 --> 02:46:12,080
for blinkers, for you know, brake lights
and so on so forth. So, we have that

1208
02:46:09,840 --> 02:46:18,080
ability to um they would have to have a
license that meet the requirements as

1209
02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:21,840
well as have a valid driver's license.
We can sign them for that. Impound the

1210
02:46:19,920 --> 02:46:28,080
motorcycle, impound the vehicle. And we
do that as well with some of the e-

1211
02:46:24,160 --> 02:46:33,840
motorcycles um as well that uh as Miss
Rusher mentioned when it comes to the um

1212
02:46:31,359 --> 02:46:38,080
that do reach up to that 60 plus mile an
hour and treat them as as vehicles on

1213
02:46:36,319 --> 02:46:40,880
the roadway and have to have licenses
accordingly. So the ordinance would

1214
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:45,920
strengthen that or give us another
option to enforce um when it comes to um

1215
02:46:44,479 --> 02:46:50,319
it's nice to have multiple options out
there and hold accountability. Sometimes

1216
02:46:47,439 --> 02:46:55,120
at the local side we have that more in
our grasp to uh deal with than through

1217
02:46:53,279 --> 02:46:59,279
maybe the court system. So it gives
gives options.

1218
02:46:57,120 --> 02:47:02,720
» Okay. Um
okay. Thank you.

1219
02:47:00,640 --> 02:47:06,720
» Does that Okay.
>> I too want to I just thank you. I think

1220
02:47:04,960 --> 02:47:11,600
this adds to the tool in the tool box
that we have to enforce some of these

1221
02:47:08,720 --> 02:47:14,880
things. Um we have a a local neighbor
that rides up and down the street doing

1222
02:47:12,960 --> 02:47:18,960
wheelies every day and I think Addison
screams and yells at him every time.

1223
02:47:16,240 --> 02:47:24,000
you're going to die. Um because she too
is concerned for this uh kid as well. Um

1224
02:47:22,399 --> 02:47:27,680
additionally, I think that the education
campaign if we could coordinate through

1225
02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:31,920
the PIO and communications office I
think would be absolutely vital

1226
02:47:29,520 --> 02:47:35,279
specifically for the younger generation
um who are writing these that maybe

1227
02:47:34,080 --> 02:47:38,560
they're writing them when their parents
aren't home or are working um and they

1228
02:47:37,279 --> 02:47:42,560
don't even know that their kids are on
them uh out during those time frames. So

1229
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:46,560
um thank you for the work on this. I
think that it um you know the goal is

1230
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:50,399
compliance once again and not revenue
and that it is a true public safety

1231
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:55,439
concern. Um I am back in the hospital
now as a nurse and I can't tell you how

1232
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:59,920
many of these um I mean we call them
auto versus auto at this point, right?

1233
02:47:57,439 --> 02:48:03,760
Or auto they're not auto peds um because
it's not hitting a pedestrian. This is

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02:48:01,439 --> 02:48:08,640
truly an auto versus auto uh traffic
collision for us now with the impacts

1235
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:12,960
and they have much less um protective
gear on um and the speeds are

1236
02:48:10,960 --> 02:48:17,200
essentially the same. So, the injuries
um are significant. So, um I truly thank

1237
02:48:15,840 --> 02:48:20,160
you guys for the work that's gone into
this because I know that it was

1238
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:24,960
collaborative.
So, with that, if there's no further

1239
02:48:22,479 --> 02:48:30,560
comments or no changes,
um I will move to wave the full reading

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02:48:28,319 --> 02:48:33,359
um and adopt the recommended action.
>> I'll second.

1241
02:48:32,080 --> 02:48:35,279
» All right. Can I get a roll call,
please?

1242
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:36,800
» Council member Laura,
>> yes.

1243
02:48:35,680 --> 02:48:38,560
» Council member Finn,
>> yes.

1244
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:40,080
» Council member Martinez,
>> yes.

1245
02:48:38,960 --> 02:48:43,760
» Mayor Prom White,
>> yes. Moroy.

1246
02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:49,359
» Yes.
All right. That takes us to our action

1247
02:48:46,720 --> 02:48:53,439
items and we will be moving on to item
J1, memorandum of understanding with the

1248
02:48:51,359 --> 02:48:59,040
Bowmont Chamber of Commerce for fiscal
year 2627 sponsorships and determination

1249
02:48:57,359 --> 02:49:07,080
uh that the sponsorships provide a
public benefit. And for that we have a

1250
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:07,080
staff report by Julie

1251
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:13,600
and Laura.
>> Good evening council. Um I do that every

1252
02:49:10,800 --> 02:49:17,680
time and um actually Laurel will be
joining too um for tonight's

1253
02:49:15,359 --> 02:49:22,080
presentation. So before you is anou
between the city and the Bowmont Chamber

1254
02:49:19,439 --> 02:49:27,200
of Commerce and in the audience today we
have executive director Crystal Leaper

1255
02:49:24,319 --> 02:49:32,960
with us um here tonight to support um
theou in front of you is just under

1256
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:37,200
40,000. Um it was actually um the amount
was already approved in your budget

1257
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:42,240
allocation back in June.
The agreement itself before you is just

1258
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:46,960
um to establish a framework uh between
the city and the chamber with a primary

1259
02:49:44,240 --> 02:49:53,120
focus on planning and presenting the
2026 state of the city. The um how theou

1260
02:49:50,880 --> 02:49:56,960
is written the chamber will take lead on
hosting and supporting this year's event

1261
02:49:55,359 --> 02:50:00,720
um which includes a couple things such
as collaboration on the event

1262
02:49:58,800 --> 02:50:04,319
production, some marketing and
collaboration here with the city as well

1263
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:08,479
as engagement and with our business
community.

1264
02:50:06,640 --> 02:50:13,920
the city will provide some leadership
content um highlighting accomplishments,

1265
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:19,760
video um production um information on
our current projects, programs, and

1266
02:50:15,439 --> 02:50:25,359
future initiatives to name a few. So um
the other half of the the agreement also

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02:50:22,399 --> 02:50:29,040
provides a structure for other community
and business initiatives um throughout

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02:50:27,680 --> 02:50:32,000
the year that we do with the chamber.
And so at this point, I'm going to hand

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02:50:30,160 --> 02:50:35,240
it over to Laura to talk a little bit
about that.

1270
02:50:36,479 --> 02:50:44,240
Good evening, mayor and council. Thank
you. So, as Julie said, the main focus

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02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:51,720
of thisou agreement is um regarding the
state of the city event coming up.

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02:50:46,319 --> 02:50:51,720
That's $30,000 of the proposed $37,350.

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02:50:52,000 --> 02:51:00,080
The remaining
$7,350 of thisou agreement covers other

1274
02:50:58,240 --> 02:51:03,439
events that we traditionally do in
partnership with the Chamber of Commerce

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02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:08,319
throughout the year. Those are listed on
the final page of exhibit A in your

1276
02:51:05,359 --> 02:51:13,760
packet and they include the uh one
sponsorship of a good Morning Bowont

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02:51:10,319 --> 02:51:17,680
breakfast at $300. The communitywide
business egg hunt sponsorship which is

1278
02:51:15,840 --> 02:51:21,120
an event that the chamber organizes and
the city supports that gets the

1279
02:51:19,600 --> 02:51:26,560
community going out and visiting
different businesses all throughout the

1280
02:51:22,800 --> 02:51:32,640
city. And that we split the cost of in
half. So, it's estimated that that costs

1281
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:36,080
about will cost about $700 this year.
And then the chamber's annual

1282
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:39,920
recognition night, the city has
traditionally provided whatever the top

1283
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:45,279
level sponsorship. And on some of these,
you'll see a range. This says 3500 up to

1284
02:51:42,880 --> 02:51:48,720
$5,000. That's because the chamber has
recognized that some of their

1285
02:51:46,479 --> 02:51:52,160
sponsorship prices need to increase a
little bit this year because the cost of

1286
02:51:50,399 --> 02:51:55,840
putting on events has gone up quite
dramatically. So, so the first numbers

1287
02:51:54,800 --> 02:51:59,760
there that you're seeing are kind of
what they've historically been, but the

1288
02:51:57,680 --> 02:52:04,319
projected new amounts for this year are
those higher higher numbers. And then

1289
02:52:02,319 --> 02:52:09,279
the final one is our chamber sustaining
membership, which we get lots of great

1290
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:14,560
recognition for at $1350.
So those those events combined make up

1291
02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:19,439
the remainder of this amount. And in
total, as Julie said, it all falls well

1292
02:52:16,800 --> 02:52:24,240
under the initial $40,000 that was
allocated in the budget. Um, so we are

1293
02:52:22,479 --> 02:52:28,960
happy to answer any questions. Either
Julie, myself, or Crystal.

1294
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:32,080
» All right. Great. Thank you.
>> All right. Do we have any public comment

1295
02:52:30,399 --> 02:52:35,279
on this item?
>> I have no written requests. Simone, do

1296
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:38,960
we have any callers on the line?
>> We have no callers at this time.

1297
02:52:37,279 --> 02:52:41,960
» Okay. We will open it up for council
discussion.

1298
02:52:42,560 --> 02:52:47,080
All right. Seeing none, I'll entertain a
motion.

1299
02:52:47,359 --> 02:52:52,240
Mayor, I'll make a motion to move and
approve the memorandum of understanding

1300
02:52:50,399 --> 02:52:57,120
between the city of Bumont and the
Bowmont Chamber of Commerce authorizing

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02:52:54,080 --> 02:53:01,439
sponsorships for fiscal year 2627 and
further determine that the sponsorship

1302
02:52:58,880 --> 02:53:06,560
provide a public benefit because the
help support they help support and

1303
02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:08,399
further local businesses within the
community.

1304
02:53:07,439 --> 02:53:10,240
» I'll second.
>> All right. Can I get a roll call,

1305
02:53:09,760 --> 02:53:11,680
please?
>> Council member Laura,

1306
02:53:11,279 --> 02:53:13,279
» yes.
>> Council member Finn,

1307
02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:16,399
» yes.
>> Council member Martinez,

1308
02:53:14,720 --> 02:53:17,760
» yes. Mayor Prom White,
>> yes.

1309
02:53:16,880 --> 02:53:22,560
» Mayor Voy,
>> yes.

1310
02:53:19,600 --> 02:53:26,319
» All right. Thank you.
And that will take us to J2.

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02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:31,920
Consideration of a relocation agreement
between the city of Bowmont and Lamar

1312
02:53:28,399 --> 02:53:33,520
Advertising Company. And uh Mr. Steven
Jones.

1313
02:53:32,319 --> 02:53:36,640
» Yes. Good evening, your honor. Again,
thank you. Mayor Pro Tim and council

1314
02:53:34,800 --> 02:53:40,399
members, assistant planner Kylie
Presiato will briefly present key

1315
02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:44,479
details for tonight's council
consideration of a proposed relocation

1316
02:53:42,160 --> 02:53:48,640
agreement. Miss Braciato.
>> Good evening, council members and mayor.

1317
02:53:46,479 --> 02:53:52,080
Kylie Brciato, planning staff. The item
before you tonight is a request to

1318
02:53:50,080 --> 02:53:55,359
review and consider the resolution in
the billboard relocation agreement

1319
02:53:53,600 --> 02:54:00,640
between the city of Bowmont and Lamore
Central Outdoor LLC.

1320
02:53:58,960 --> 02:54:04,319
The project was approved pending a
relocation agreement with terms that are

1321
02:54:02,399 --> 02:54:07,520
agreeable to the city. The proposed
relocation agreement is subject to the

1322
02:54:06,240 --> 02:54:11,520
council's discretion regarding
parameters. The request is to convert

1323
02:54:09,680 --> 02:54:15,920
the southern face of the existing static
billboard located at 174 Bowmont Avenue

1324
02:54:14,399 --> 02:54:19,600
to an electronic billboard with a
digital display. Lamar Outdoor Palm

1325
02:54:18,080 --> 02:54:23,600
Springs limited a sign permit
application to the city prior to the

1326
02:54:21,439 --> 02:54:28,080
draft billboard ordinance. Therefore,
the application is not subject to

1327
02:54:25,439 --> 02:54:33,439
pending regulations. The existing static
billboard was originally constructed in

1328
02:54:29,920 --> 02:54:37,439
1989, but in March 2007, the city passed
provisions prohibiting billboards making

1329
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:41,760
the billboard non-conforming.
On July 22nd, 2026, the planning

1330
02:54:40,240 --> 02:54:45,760
commission unanimously approved the
billboard.

1331
02:54:43,680 --> 02:54:50,240
The existing billboard is located in the
community commercial zone and has a

1332
02:54:47,359 --> 02:54:54,160
general land use designation of general
commercial. The billboard policy in the

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02:54:52,319 --> 02:54:59,359
Bowmont Municipal Code allows existing
billboards to be relocated through a

1334
02:54:55,920 --> 02:55:03,040
relocation agreement with the city.
The proposed project would deconstruct

1335
02:55:01,200 --> 02:55:06,720
and remove the existing south-facing
billboard face and construct a new

1336
02:55:05,200 --> 02:55:10,880
electronic billboard in the same
location with a slight change in

1337
02:55:08,319 --> 02:55:14,399
orientation. The north face is proposed
to remain static, but the south facing

1338
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:20,960
display would be converted to a digital
display measuring 9 ft 8.25 in by 32 ft

1339
02:55:18,560 --> 02:55:26,240
and maintain an overall height of 28 ft
10 in. The applicant also proposes to

1340
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:30,319
install a decorative support pole that
incorporates city of Bowmont

1341
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:34,319
identification.
The proposed relocation is subject to

1342
02:55:32,240 --> 02:55:38,479
council's discretion for parameters. The
staff recommends that city council

1343
02:55:36,399 --> 02:55:42,399
review and consider the resolution and
relocation agreement and if terms are

1344
02:55:40,640 --> 02:55:48,720
not agreeable, direct staff to make
findings for subsequent council action.

1345
02:55:46,640 --> 02:55:51,920
This concludes my presentation. We are
happy to answer any questions that you

1346
02:55:50,160 --> 02:55:55,680
might have.
All right, thank you for that. Do we

1347
02:55:54,080 --> 02:56:00,080
have any public comments related to this
item?

1348
02:55:56,640 --> 02:56:05,326
» Yes, I do. I have a couple in person.
>> Uh, first one is last name of Fiser.

1349
02:56:03,307 --> 02:56:05,326
[snorts]

1350
02:56:11,600 --> 02:56:14,840
Oh, I see.

1351
02:56:15,920 --> 02:56:22,720
» Um, Mayor Voit, uh, Mayor Pon White,
members of the council, my name is Ethan

1352
02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:28,160
Fischer and I'm from AMG Outdoor
Advertising. We would urge the council

1353
02:56:25,040 --> 02:56:31,439
to reject the relocation agreement. Um,
we understand that the planning

1354
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:36,960
commission next week is going to be
considering a um a uh comprehensive

1355
02:56:35,279 --> 02:56:41,840
ordinance to regulate all digital
signage. And uh we feel that you should

1356
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:46,000
establish a co coherent policy governing
the number location, concentration of

1357
02:56:44,240 --> 02:56:49,680
digital billboards before allowing
additional conversions. Um we spoke

1358
02:56:48,479 --> 02:56:53,439
about the signs being illegal
non-conforming. Uh once these signs are

1359
02:56:51,840 --> 02:56:57,439
up, they're impossible to get down. The
the city's got to pay pay to get them

1360
02:56:55,200 --> 02:57:01,439
down. We're concerned because we're
spending about a million dollars to

1361
02:56:59,359 --> 02:57:08,080
construct a welcome to Bumont sign on
the 10 freeway that's supposed to reach

1362
02:57:04,319 --> 02:57:13,279
140,000 140,000 cars a day and try to
bring people into the city to shop,

1363
02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:18,080
shop, and spend money here. Um, there is
a limited advertising market and the

1364
02:57:15,760 --> 02:57:22,080
investment we're making requires that we
be able to sell advertising at certain

1365
02:57:19,680 --> 02:57:27,200
rates. Lamar is one of the largest
companies in the country. They have

1366
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:31,920
signs in 45 states. I think they haveund
uh let's see actually

1367
02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:37,760
360,000 signs across the United States
and in Canada. Uh this is a minor deal

1368
02:57:35,200 --> 02:57:42,720
for them. This is a major deal for AMG.
We're a local company. Uh this is a uh

1369
02:57:40,800 --> 02:57:46,160
sign we're we care about. We're going to
maintain. We're going to try to promote

1370
02:57:44,240 --> 02:57:50,640
the city. We're going to offer discounts
to local businesses when we have this

1371
02:57:48,640 --> 02:57:55,040
kind of competition. And we're not we're
not uh concerned so much about fair

1372
02:57:53,279 --> 02:57:59,359
competition, but this is going to be
oversaturation. There's only these you

1373
02:57:57,359 --> 02:58:04,319
have to remember these signs. Each one
of these signs has eight slides on it.

1374
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:08,640
So this one sign becomes effectively
eight signs on one side and the static

1375
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:13,600
sign remains one sign. So you're adding
you're adding eight additional signs,

1376
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:18,399
seven additional signs to the city. Uh
the air the advertising traffic in there

1377
02:58:16,080 --> 02:58:21,439
already can't support this. So, it's
going to mean that we're going to have

1378
02:58:19,279 --> 02:58:25,600
less money for maintenance, less money
to um provide discounts for local

1379
02:58:23,760 --> 02:58:30,319
businesses and free advertising to the
city. And just generally, it's not it's

1380
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:34,800
not a good idea. What you want to have
is you want recognition of Bowmont. You

1381
02:58:32,640 --> 02:58:38,399
want people driving through here to know
that they're in Bowmont and to want to

1382
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:42,960
stop here. You don't want saturation,
oversaturation of these signs. Um, in

1383
02:58:41,920 --> 02:58:46,880
particular, we want the planning
commission to consider the the how much

1384
02:58:44,640 --> 02:58:51,279
light pollution you want, how how much
of these these glowing signs you want at

1385
02:58:48,960 --> 02:58:54,640
night. One sign is a nice nice feature
to tell people where they are, but you

1386
02:58:53,359 --> 02:58:58,800
don't want a forest of these things.
We've encountered this sort of thing in

1387
02:58:56,160 --> 02:59:03,439
other cities and it just is not it's not
economically viable. It the South Bay

1388
02:59:01,279 --> 02:59:07,439
curve in Los Angeles or in Long Beach
area is a good example. It's just run

1389
02:59:05,439 --> 02:59:11,200
down because there's no money for the
advertising and the structures are not

1390
02:59:09,359 --> 02:59:14,080
maintained and so forth. If I have any
if there are any questions, I'd be happy

1391
02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:17,800
to answer it.
>> Thank you.

1392
02:59:14,640 --> 02:59:17,800
» Thank you.

1393
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:23,319
» I have one more speaker, uh, Lesie
Lockin.

1394
02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:32,560
» Good evening, honorable mayor and
council members. It's good to see you

1395
02:59:31,040 --> 02:59:38,560
all again.
Um Lamar, first of all, I want to

1396
02:59:35,359 --> 02:59:44,720
respectfully disagree with uh the
comments ahead of of mine or or what I

1397
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:50,800
have to say. Um fair care competition is
something that exists in every market

1398
02:59:47,920 --> 02:59:56,880
and um one comment I want to address is
the uh oversaturation.

1399
02:59:54,000 --> 03:00:00,880
um this would be a second digital
billboard and I would not consider that

1400
02:59:59,120 --> 03:00:07,120
oversaturation
um of digital billboards. The

1401
03:00:04,880 --> 03:00:13,200
location that we proposed is a gateway
to the city and we we feel that we chose

1402
03:00:10,720 --> 03:00:18,000
this location because of the gateway to
the city and the benefit that it has to

1403
03:00:15,200 --> 03:00:26,160
the city with the decorative sign and
the identification welcome to Bowmont.

1404
03:00:21,680 --> 03:00:30,960
Um, my comments are to address the
alternative recommended by staff or

1405
03:00:28,960 --> 03:00:35,840
suggested [snorts] by staff. Lamar
respectfully asks council to approve

1406
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:40,160
plan 2026-0042
as recommended by staff and by the

1407
03:00:38,000 --> 03:00:44,560
planning commission without imposing the
takedown alternative described on the

1408
03:00:42,080 --> 03:00:48,640
last page of the staff report. The
alternative should not be adopted for

1409
03:00:46,240 --> 03:00:53,600
four reasons and with legal input
provided by our council as follows.

1410
03:00:51,920 --> 03:00:58,800
First, the al alternative is
inconsistent with the very draft

1411
03:00:55,359 --> 03:01:04,479
ordinance it references. The draft DBOD
ordinance under council's consideration

1412
03:01:00,800 --> 03:01:09,600
would require a 3:1 takedown ratio only
for new digital billboards approved by a

1413
03:01:06,720 --> 03:01:14,319
major sign permit within the Bowmont
Freeway digital billboard overlay

1414
03:01:11,600 --> 03:01:21,040
district along Interstate 10 or State
Route 60. The Mr. Taco site is on State

1415
03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:27,760
Route 79 and is not within the proposed
overlay. More fundamentally, the draft

1416
03:01:24,000 --> 03:01:34,479
ordinance expressly accepts from the 3:1
ratio any project authorized through a

1417
03:01:30,399 --> 03:01:38,080
relocation agreement under section 17C
08040

1418
03:01:36,319 --> 03:01:42,399
M2,
which is exactly the path Mr. Taco

1419
03:01:40,319 --> 03:01:47,359
follows. Even if the draft ordinance
were adopted tomorrow, it would not

1420
03:01:44,000 --> 03:01:52,560
require a 3:1 takedown for this project.
Second, applying an unadopted ordinance

1421
03:01:50,240 --> 03:01:58,160
to a pending application is contr
contrary to California law and to basic

1422
03:01:55,120 --> 03:02:02,399
fairness under settled California land
use principles and applicants rights are

1423
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:07,680
determined by the ordinances in effect
when the complete applica application is

1424
03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:13,600
filed. Lamar submitted its complete
application in March 2026 and staff has

1425
03:02:11,279 --> 03:02:18,960
expressly determined in the staff report
before council today that the subject

1426
03:02:16,160 --> 03:02:24,240
application has been evaluated under and
is consistent with the city's existing

1427
03:02:21,439 --> 03:02:28,240
regulations. The alternative will layer
on a requirement that staff in its own

1428
03:02:26,319 --> 03:02:32,880
professional judgment did not find
necessary or applicable under the rules

1429
03:02:30,560 --> 03:02:37,600
that actually govern.
Third, Lamar has been working on this

1430
03:02:35,040 --> 03:02:43,359
project with the city since 2024 in
reliance on the rules then and now in

1431
03:02:39,760 --> 03:02:47,760
effect. Through Lamar's initial inquiry
in 2024,

1432
03:02:45,760 --> 03:02:52,080
I received an email confirmation from
the city that this location would be

1433
03:02:50,000 --> 03:02:57,279
acceptable and that Lamar could move
forward. Since that time, Lamar has

1434
03:02:54,880 --> 03:03:02,720
expended substantial time, resources,
including engineering, application fees,

1435
03:02:59,200 --> 03:03:07,120
entitlement work, and attorney work.
Changing the rules at the final approval

1436
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:13,279
stage based on an ordinance that has not
been adopted undermines any applicant's

1437
03:03:09,920 --> 03:03:17,760
ability to rely on published city codes.
Fourth, the alternative would establish

1438
03:03:15,680 --> 03:03:22,800
a precedent that harms every future
applicant in Bowmont. If council can

1439
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:28,399
impose the terms of an unadopted
ordinance on pending fully vetted

1440
03:03:25,600 --> 03:03:33,359
applications, no applicant can plan,
invest, or process a project through

1441
03:03:30,880 --> 03:03:38,160
Bumont with any confidence in the
standards that will actually govern

1442
03:03:34,960 --> 03:03:41,600
approval. The city's own interest in an
orderly and predictable entitlement

1443
03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:45,279
process cuts strongly against this
alternative.

1444
03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:50,000
We are prepared to move forward
immediately and with the modernization

1445
03:03:47,279 --> 03:03:55,600
of this site as discussed and we believe
this agreement represents a balanced

1446
03:03:52,319 --> 03:04:00,640
reasonable path forward for both Lamar
and the city.

1447
03:03:57,520 --> 03:04:04,960
Lamar respectfully requests approval as
recommended by staff and by the planning

1448
03:04:02,960 --> 03:04:07,960
commission. Thank you for your
consideration.

1449
03:04:09,760 --> 03:04:16,800
Simone, do we have any callers on the
line?

1450
03:04:13,600 --> 03:04:21,112
We have no callers at this time.
>> Okay. Very good. I will open it up for

1451
03:04:18,560 --> 03:04:24,399
council discussion.
[clears throat]

1452
03:04:23,040 --> 03:04:30,080
» Council member Fen.
>> U Mayor U. I have a point of order

1453
03:04:27,359 --> 03:04:34,720
question. Could we give uh Mr. Ethan
Fischer another minute or two to

1454
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:38,399
respond? Um given that Lesie went over
the three minutes.

1455
03:04:37,520 --> 03:04:42,640
» Yeah, we can.
>> Thank you.

1456
03:04:39,840 --> 03:04:46,560
Um I would just point out that uh this
is a discretionary action by the

1457
03:04:44,160 --> 03:04:51,520
council. Uh there's no there's no issue
that uh Lamar's relied upon laws in

1458
03:04:49,680 --> 03:04:57,920
place. The law in place says that the
council can approve or disapprove. It's

1459
03:04:53,200 --> 03:05:02,000
entirely discretionary. Um again Lamar
has built for example a bunch of bunch

1460
03:04:59,680 --> 03:05:05,279
of these signs on the 91 freeway. We're
aware because we have other operators

1461
03:05:03,520 --> 03:05:10,160
out there that the sign advertising
rates have plummeted to about $2,000 per

1462
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:13,439
slide, which is not viable. The signs
can't can't maintain and the other

1463
03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:17,200
companies are going out of business.
This is the equivalent of letting Costco

1464
03:05:15,200 --> 03:05:21,680
come in and driving out smaller
businesses. Uh this is a major major

1465
03:05:19,439 --> 03:05:24,880
investment for AMG. Lamar's not even
putting up two two sides. They're

1466
03:05:23,680 --> 03:05:29,840
spending a little bit of money to
modernize one side because this is not

1467
03:05:27,680 --> 03:05:35,600
this is only a dot on a on a national
map for them. this we we is a Southern

1468
03:05:32,960 --> 03:05:39,760
California company. We're in Corona and
we have a limited number of signs in

1469
03:05:37,920 --> 03:05:43,600
premier locations that we we've for
example put one in uh banning and we've

1470
03:05:42,080 --> 03:05:47,760
we've invested a great deal in the land
empire and it's important to us uh far

1471
03:05:46,240 --> 03:05:52,160
more important as a local company than a
national company. Uh this is not about

1472
03:05:50,240 --> 03:05:56,399
competition. This is about a controlled
growth. The city is going to put one

1473
03:05:54,240 --> 03:06:00,800
large welcome to a bowont sign on the 10
freeway the major entrance to the city.

1474
03:05:58,880 --> 03:06:04,399
uh other other growth should be planned
and if this if the planning commission

1475
03:06:02,479 --> 03:06:08,240
is going to put come up with an overall
overall uh idea of how many signs you

1476
03:06:06,720 --> 03:06:12,319
want because you can't get rid of these
again you have bill you have static

1477
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:15,840
billboards in the in town and I'm sure
you would get rid of those if you could

1478
03:06:13,600 --> 03:06:19,760
but you can't and you're going to end up
with a situation if you do this peace

1479
03:06:17,680 --> 03:06:25,200
meal where you've got digital signs
where you don't want them night

1480
03:06:21,200 --> 03:06:29,279
» okay thank you all right council member
Laurara

1481
03:06:26,080 --> 03:06:37,200
» thank you mayor Um so just just to
verify this um relocation agreement is a

1482
03:06:33,520 --> 03:06:41,040
discretionary action. Correct.
>> Yes, that's correct.

1483
03:06:38,319 --> 03:06:47,040
» Okay. Um
so ju just a a couple things. One is I'd

1484
03:06:44,160 --> 03:06:51,279
like because I believe Lamar has
reviewed the draft ordinance. Um Mr.

1485
03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:54,640
Fischer, have you had an opportunity to
review the draft ordinance as well? I

1486
03:06:53,040 --> 03:07:00,560
just would suggest that you do that. We
would appreciate any input you have uh

1487
03:06:57,439 --> 03:07:02,000
just as well as any other billboard uh
company.

1488
03:07:01,279 --> 03:07:06,080
» Thank you.
>> Um

1489
03:07:04,399 --> 03:07:09,920
I
mayor pro Tim White had brought up a a

1490
03:07:08,000 --> 03:07:16,000
point early on when we that we first
started discussing this which was the

1491
03:07:12,319 --> 03:07:22,640
option for potential revenue sharing of
electronic billboards. Um, I would like

1492
03:07:19,040 --> 03:07:26,800
staff to consider that. Um, work with
the developer to see if that's something

1493
03:07:24,080 --> 03:07:31,120
that they would be interested in. Um, I
do think that the removal of at least

1494
03:07:29,600 --> 03:07:37,920
three static signs or something else
that the developer would agree to would

1495
03:07:32,960 --> 03:07:42,000
be something we could work on. Um, I I
like the sign, but I would like to see

1496
03:07:39,520 --> 03:07:46,000
something a little bit more monument
type style that is coming into Bulmont.

1497
03:07:44,000 --> 03:07:49,279
It is the only sign coming in off the
79. So, I like the direction they're

1498
03:07:48,080 --> 03:07:57,520
going, but I would just like to see
maybe something a little bit um

1499
03:07:53,680 --> 03:08:02,640
more stylish, I guess I would say. Um
and those would be the the things that I

1500
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:06,399
would like and the staff to give an up
to give staff an opportunity to discuss

1501
03:08:04,399 --> 03:08:12,240
with the developer. Thank you, Mayor.
>> Sure. Mayor Promip.

1502
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:16,880
» Um wow. Um,
I've been working on this for five, six

1503
03:08:14,399 --> 03:08:21,040
years trying to get a movement towards
more billboard signs or I'm sorry,

1504
03:08:19,359 --> 03:08:27,840
digital signs. And I think one of the
issues as as Mr. Laura just brought up

1505
03:08:23,760 --> 03:08:34,160
is is the ability to uh to share
revenue. I know that that's happening in

1506
03:08:30,000 --> 03:08:38,720
other cities. Um, and I think but at the
same time, you know, he brings up my

1507
03:08:36,640 --> 03:08:43,771
argument that now it makes sense the
revenue. I'm going to bring up his

1508
03:08:40,479 --> 03:08:50,000
argument which was that we
[clears throat] believed that

1509
03:08:47,040 --> 03:08:54,160
Let me back up for a second. What does
our ordinance say now? Because my

1510
03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:58,800
understanding is for years we had an
ordinance no billboard signs or no

1511
03:08:56,640 --> 03:09:05,040
digital signs and then I thought we came
up with an ordinance that said there

1512
03:09:01,600 --> 03:09:10,720
they were available in some cases. Um,
and if we have a draft ordinance, then

1513
03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:15,120
the existing ordinance is is in place at
this point. Correct. So any decisions

1514
03:09:12,800 --> 03:09:19,680
that Lamar made was based on the
ordinance at the time.

1515
03:09:17,520 --> 03:09:23,920
She brought up two dates. She brought up
uh May of this year as far as the

1516
03:09:21,439 --> 03:09:29,920
application and she talked about working
with the city in 2024. So I'm really I'd

1517
03:09:28,160 --> 03:09:34,319
like to get a better understanding on
where we are as far as what's required

1518
03:09:31,680 --> 03:09:37,200
and when it's required.
So,

1519
03:09:35,840 --> 03:09:41,439
I'll jump in first and then they can
correct me if I'm wrong. So, council

1520
03:09:38,880 --> 03:09:45,920
discussed um a draft ordinance several
times and the last time council

1521
03:09:43,600 --> 03:09:50,000
discussed it uh you referred it back to
the planning commission for further

1522
03:09:47,520 --> 03:09:54,960
refinement. That has not occurred yet.
There there um we we are continuing to

1523
03:09:52,800 --> 03:09:59,040
work on the draft and it's most likely
going to go to planning commission next

1524
03:09:56,399 --> 03:10:03,120
month. The so today the current
ordinance prevails and the current

1525
03:10:01,120 --> 03:10:07,200
ordinance states that a relocation
agreement is required. It does not it's

1526
03:10:05,120 --> 03:10:11,520
silent on digital billboards but through
through the relocation agreement excuse

1527
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:16,319
me through the relocation agreement a
digital billboard can be approved and uh

1528
03:10:15,200 --> 03:10:19,920
Stephen can correct me if I'm wrong.
>> That's correct, Mr. City Manager. and

1529
03:10:17,760 --> 03:10:23,439
and the language does include that the
term should be agreeable to the city

1530
03:10:21,600 --> 03:10:27,840
council and that leaves it broadly open
for your discretion and your your

1531
03:10:25,600 --> 03:10:31,600
parameters for what an agreement should
look like.

1532
03:10:29,040 --> 03:10:39,279
» See, and and and my concern or my issue
is I don't I was a one in the four votes

1533
03:10:36,560 --> 03:10:43,600
for this is about the maybe the fourth
time we've addressed this, third or

1534
03:10:40,720 --> 03:10:47,359
fourth time. Um, and I thought
originally we said no digital at all.

1535
03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:54,000
And that's what I was trying to change.
And I don't ever remember a vote coming

1536
03:10:49,840 --> 03:10:58,240
forward that was in favor of digitals.
Um, other than the idea, I think

1537
03:10:56,000 --> 03:11:03,439
originally we had the idea, is the
ordinance the one that says um, for

1538
03:11:00,800 --> 03:11:06,720
every face you take down, you have to or
you want to put up, you have to take two

1539
03:11:05,920 --> 03:11:09,200
down.
>> That's the that's one of the drafts that

1540
03:11:08,399 --> 03:11:13,840
have come before you.
>> Okay. So So are what ordinance? What are

1541
03:11:11,680 --> 03:11:17,040
we under right now? It's is it
>> discretion

1542
03:11:14,560 --> 03:11:21,680
» a very broadly worded relocation
agreements should be agreeable to the

1543
03:11:19,840 --> 03:11:26,319
terms of the city council and that that
can authorize a digital or electronic is

1544
03:11:24,960 --> 03:11:29,359
what it's called but trending now
marketwise we call it digital but it

1545
03:11:27,840 --> 03:11:33,520
says an electronic billboard may be
placed with approval of an a re

1546
03:11:31,279 --> 03:11:38,000
relocation agreement. So, all the all
the discussions and and votes we've had

1547
03:11:36,080 --> 03:11:44,880
in the past
um I thought were to allow digital

1548
03:11:41,600 --> 03:11:47,359
boards in the city and
>> subject to

1549
03:11:46,080 --> 03:11:52,399
» sub subject to
>> let me let me read you the relevant

1550
03:11:49,120 --> 03:11:55,359
provision of this is our existing code
>> and I'm not going to read the whole

1551
03:11:53,680 --> 03:11:59,439
thing but I'll read what I think goes to
the point that you're uh raising a

1552
03:11:57,760 --> 03:12:03,200
question about notwithstanding any other
provision of this chapter upon entry

1553
03:12:01,279 --> 03:12:07,840
into a relocation agreement with the
city. In accordance with business and

1554
03:12:05,520 --> 03:12:13,600
professions code section 5412, the owner
of an existing billboard within the city

1555
03:12:10,640 --> 03:12:19,680
may convert a static billboard to an
electronic billboard subject to approval

1556
03:12:17,520 --> 03:12:24,720
of a permit application. And then it
goes on and then it talks about what a

1557
03:12:22,240 --> 03:12:28,640
relocated billboard is. A relocated
billboard is an existing billboard that

1558
03:12:26,319 --> 03:12:33,840
is located in the city that is relocated
through a city council approved

1559
03:12:31,120 --> 03:12:37,840
relocation agreement including the
replacement of a static billboard phase

1560
03:12:35,760 --> 03:12:42,880
with an electronic message. The
relocated billboard is not considered a

1561
03:12:40,240 --> 03:12:46,560
new billboard. Then under state law,
business and professions code section

1562
03:12:44,560 --> 03:12:51,760
5412,
it [snorts] provides um it defines what

1563
03:12:49,439 --> 03:12:55,920
relocation is and as used in this
section includes removal of a display

1564
03:12:53,520 --> 03:13:00,399
and construction of a new display to
substitute for the display removed. And

1565
03:12:58,640 --> 03:13:04,640
then it talks about these relocation
agreements. It says cities are, and I'm

1566
03:13:02,720 --> 03:13:10,000
paraphrasing, I'm just cutting to the
chase here. Cities are specifically

1567
03:13:06,720 --> 03:13:15,680
empowered to enter into reloc relocation
agreements on whatever terms are

1568
03:13:13,120 --> 03:13:20,880
agreeable to the display owner and the
city. So as was stated by the city

1569
03:13:18,240 --> 03:13:26,560
manager earlier the agreement the
relocation agreement is discretionary on

1570
03:13:23,840 --> 03:13:33,520
terms that the two parties agree to.
>> Okay. And the two parties agreeing to

1571
03:13:29,279 --> 03:13:37,920
this is the the applicant
>> and the council. not applicant and

1572
03:13:36,239 --> 03:13:44,000
staff.
>> So, so but at this point we do not have

1573
03:13:41,279 --> 03:13:48,960
an application agreement until we make
it official tonight. Is that correct? I

1574
03:13:46,479 --> 03:13:55,040
mean that was what I think that's what
uh the um the representative from Lamar

1575
03:13:52,479 --> 03:13:59,200
pointed out was that we're going under
the original the existing ordinance

1576
03:13:57,600 --> 03:14:04,160
» and what I just read is the existing
ordinance. So, what's before you tonight

1577
03:14:00,880 --> 03:14:08,720
is the terms of a relocation agreement
that would permit them to replace their

1578
03:14:06,080 --> 03:14:11,600
static billboard face with an electronic
one. But you have to agree to those

1579
03:14:10,399 --> 03:14:16,160
terms. They have to agree to those
terms. It's a negotiated agreement.

1580
03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:20,000
» Okay. And and a negotiated agreement, if
it's not approved by both sides, can

1581
03:14:18,160 --> 03:14:25,040
continue to be renegotiated. Correct.
>> Right. It requires

1582
03:14:22,800 --> 03:14:28,399
two willing parties that agree on the
terms.

1583
03:14:25,680 --> 03:14:31,200
» Okay. And I have I have a question for
both representatives if you don't mind.

1584
03:14:30,399 --> 03:14:36,279
» Yeah, absolutely.
>> So I'll start with the gentleman from

1585
03:14:32,640 --> 03:14:36,279
AMG, please.

1586
03:14:37,680 --> 03:14:45,120
» So you mentioned the sign in Banning. Um
there's two signs in Banning, right?

1587
03:14:42,720 --> 03:14:46,640
There's another digital those, right?
There's two digital.

1588
03:14:46,000 --> 03:14:48,640
» That's correct.
>> Who's who's the owner of the other

1589
03:14:48,080 --> 03:14:52,160
digital?
>> Uh I believe uh actually I don't I don't

1590
03:14:50,960 --> 03:14:56,319
know. They might be general. I'm not
sure.

1591
03:14:53,120 --> 03:14:59,120
» Okay. And so which one is closer to your
sign?

1592
03:14:57,920 --> 03:15:01,760
» Which of which
>> or Mr. Taco?

1593
03:15:00,479 --> 03:15:06,560
» Oh, I see. Uh I
>> No, not Mr. Taco.

1594
03:15:03,520 --> 03:15:11,200
» The the welcome Bont. Which banning sign
is further west?

1595
03:15:08,640 --> 03:15:15,359
» Yours or theirs? Yours or Generals?
>> Uh Generals, I believe.

1596
03:15:12,800 --> 03:15:21,439
» Okay. So, I just wonder um because you
bring up the saturation issue,

1597
03:15:18,640 --> 03:15:24,880
you're saturating yourself.
>> Yes. It's just it's just a matter of how

1598
03:15:23,279 --> 03:15:29,279
many signs you want. I'm just saying it
might be a good idea to to set overall

1599
03:15:27,279 --> 03:15:32,160
parameters rather than do this peace
meal. That was my only suggestion.

1600
03:15:30,800 --> 03:15:38,000
» Okay. Because I think what we discussed
and even though it's not yet ordinance

1601
03:15:34,479 --> 03:15:42,080
that's been drafted, it's it's the the
position or the point of view of of the

1602
03:15:40,080 --> 03:15:47,520
council was what we wanted in the
ordinance and some of those things are

1603
03:15:44,319 --> 03:15:51,520
not um not being applied in in in this
agreement as far as I understand at this

1604
03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:55,880
point. Uh thank you sir. If I could ask
for the other um representative,

1605
03:15:56,000 --> 03:16:01,200
» I I my first question may be for you or
for staff. I'm sure you probably know.

1606
03:16:00,720 --> 03:16:08,720
» Sure.
>> Um the the one that's coming in on the

1607
03:16:04,880 --> 03:16:13,680
79 is a much smaller billboard. Correct.
>> It would be a 10x6 by 36, which um is

1608
03:16:11,920 --> 03:16:15,680
not Yes.
>> And what what

1609
03:16:14,399 --> 03:16:20,560
» it would be the same size that it is
now. And what is the size of of a usual

1610
03:16:18,880 --> 03:16:22,880
like the uh the other billboards we're
talking about?

1611
03:16:21,200 --> 03:16:28,800
» They're called bulletins and those are
14 by 48. So this would be a smaller

1612
03:16:26,560 --> 03:16:33,680
sign. The Mr. Taco site would be smaller
than a a freeway sign that you see. And

1613
03:16:32,399 --> 03:16:38,239
if I may just make a couple of
corrections

1614
03:16:35,359 --> 03:16:42,960
um to this gentleman's comments, the
billboard the there is another digital

1615
03:16:40,640 --> 03:16:48,640
billboard on the I 10 freeway besides
the AMG sign and it is a Lamar sign and

1616
03:16:46,560 --> 03:16:53,279
it was approved by the city to banning
under a relocation agreement oh gosh

1617
03:16:50,960 --> 03:17:00,000
four or five years ago. Um, I'd also
like to point out that um AMG was I

1618
03:16:57,200 --> 03:17:06,160
believe um here before council a few
weeks ago or I'm sorry maybe at the last

1619
03:17:02,560 --> 03:17:13,120
council meeting and had a extension to
an existing relocation agreement

1620
03:17:08,080 --> 03:17:19,520
approved to modify the sign that has
been in existence for many years that

1621
03:17:15,600 --> 03:17:25,600
unmaintained. Um, and at that point, I
don't believe that he brought up that

1622
03:17:22,000 --> 03:17:30,960
council should possibly delay or I'm
sorry, or approve his relocation

1623
03:17:28,160 --> 03:17:37,279
agreement um, under the terms of the new
ordinance as he's asking that ours be

1624
03:17:35,439 --> 03:17:42,319
but that
>> not to get in a debate or an argument

1625
03:17:39,040 --> 03:17:46,720
with you, but um, the ordinance was just
read to us and the ordinance says that

1626
03:17:44,319 --> 03:17:50,640
it it's mutual agreement. Absolutely.
>> And if the council here is of the

1627
03:17:48,479 --> 03:17:54,640
mindset that we like what the direction
the draft ordinance was going

1628
03:17:52,880 --> 03:18:00,000
» that even though it's not it's still a
draft ordinance we can talk about some

1629
03:17:57,680 --> 03:18:03,600
of those those issues and those concerns
in that.

1630
03:18:01,279 --> 03:18:08,239
» Let me the question I wanted to you
brought that up. So the question I

1631
03:18:04,800 --> 03:18:13,279
wanted to ask you is the concern that
that we've all had and and Mr. Laura has

1632
03:18:10,880 --> 03:18:17,680
presented this many times over the years
is the number of billboards on the tin.

1633
03:18:15,600 --> 03:18:20,560
Not just digital but static billboards
and they're all Lamar, right?

1634
03:18:20,160 --> 03:18:23,840
» Well,
>> in Bumont

1635
03:18:21,920 --> 03:18:28,160
» in the city of Bowmont, the static
billboards are Lamar. We are the largest

1636
03:18:26,160 --> 03:18:33,040
stakeholder. One of one of our ideas and
one of our big concerns here was that

1637
03:18:30,880 --> 03:18:36,479
first of all, I don't have I have a
problem with the the language and I

1638
03:18:35,520 --> 03:18:40,560
don't know where it's coming in the
draft ordinance, but I had a problem

1639
03:18:37,840 --> 03:18:45,279
with the language that said um only the
o only owners of existing signs can can

1640
03:18:43,359 --> 03:18:49,680
bring in new digital signs because that
limits other individuals who want to

1641
03:18:47,439 --> 03:18:54,640
come in who may who make who may make a
better revenue offer to us than than

1642
03:18:52,399 --> 03:19:02,080
than um than you might.
>> Sure. and and we bring in another

1643
03:18:58,239 --> 03:19:06,720
digital off the 79. We still have I
don't know how many on do you know how

1644
03:19:03,359 --> 03:19:09,600
many are on on Lamar that are on the 10
by the train tracks and on the other

1645
03:19:08,640 --> 03:19:13,840
side of the freeway?
>> You know, I'm sorry I don't have that

1646
03:19:11,040 --> 03:19:17,600
exact number with me. Um no, I don't
know. [laughter]

1647
03:19:14,960 --> 03:19:23,040
» Will you will you um make a commitment
to re to eliminate some of those if we

1648
03:19:20,880 --> 03:19:28,960
we start putting in digitals? and and
that is what the um Lamar has been

1649
03:19:26,560 --> 03:19:37,439
involved and worked with Mr. Jones on
the um the forthcoming uh draft

1650
03:19:34,560 --> 03:19:44,239
ordinance that would make those changes
and we are in agreement with the 3:1 for

1651
03:19:41,200 --> 03:19:50,239
future ordinance. This this one that
we're here forth tonight obviously is as

1652
03:19:47,520 --> 03:19:56,560
you are everybody is aware based on the
reading

1653
03:19:52,720 --> 03:20:02,960
is permitted um without the takedown,
but we absolutely would agree to any

1654
03:19:59,840 --> 03:20:07,279
future um digitals by Lamar or any
digital request or to the 3 to1

1655
03:20:05,439 --> 03:20:10,960
takedown. In fact, when Mr. Jones
consulted us and our attorney, we we

1656
03:20:09,680 --> 03:20:16,399
were in agreement with that.
>> Well, I I mis I guess I misunderstood

1657
03:20:13,200 --> 03:20:23,840
either the our attorney's uh opinion or
your your opinion. um if you're in

1658
03:20:19,760 --> 03:20:28,560
agreement to doing that. Actually, our
current ordinance says it's permitted

1659
03:20:26,800 --> 03:20:34,800
and we don't put a restriction on how
many you have. But as we know, our

1660
03:20:32,479 --> 03:20:37,279
current ordinance also says we can say
yes or no to whatever we want to say yes

1661
03:20:36,560 --> 03:20:44,080
or no to.
>> That is true. And and all I'm asking for

1662
03:20:40,160 --> 03:20:49,600
is um if if Lamar would make a
commitment going forward to to reducing

1663
03:20:47,200 --> 03:20:53,200
the number of billboards that are on the
tin. Now I'm I'm in favor if you've

1664
03:20:51,359 --> 03:20:57,760
watched some of our rather I'm in favor
of the billboards and I'm also in favor

1665
03:20:55,040 --> 03:21:02,640
of the idea that we put one at each
entrance and and yours in 79 I think

1666
03:21:00,319 --> 03:21:07,120
makes sense to me. I think uh the
welcome Bowmont coming in west makes

1667
03:21:04,560 --> 03:21:13,120
sense. We've already agreed that the uh
the uh Regency uh property is going to

1668
03:21:11,040 --> 03:21:17,680
have one coming in from that direction.
We've all already agreed one coming into

1669
03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:22,160
the 60, but it doesn't address the
problem that I've been trying that I've

1670
03:21:19,680 --> 03:21:28,000
been that Mr. Laura and I have been
discussing for years now is it doesn't

1671
03:21:24,880 --> 03:21:32,479
bring down any additional um billboards
at this point. And we have an

1672
03:21:29,359 --> 03:21:36,640
opportunity here to to get that kind of
commitment from you. Um, and if we have

1673
03:21:34,960 --> 03:21:40,640
to make it part of the agreement for me
to for me to vote yes on this, um, I'm

1674
03:21:39,520 --> 03:21:45,520
in favor of that.
>> Sure. And I I think I I I thought I had

1675
03:21:43,200 --> 03:21:49,040
stated that we are in favor of the new
ordinance, which

1676
03:21:47,120 --> 03:21:52,080
» but but you're saying in favor you're
not

1677
03:21:49,920 --> 03:21:58,960
» Well, we are I'm not sure how you want
me to say it. I we are in agreement that

1678
03:21:55,200 --> 03:22:02,800
the new ordinance should have a um 3:1
ratio takeown.

1679
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:08,720
» So why not take down two now? will agree
to to to your your proposal.

1680
03:22:05,840 --> 03:22:16,160
» Couple of reasons. Um one there's a
financial impact that this sign Mr. Taco

1681
03:22:12,720 --> 03:22:21,200
when when we um evaluate whether a
digital makes sense. We look at all the

1682
03:22:18,560 --> 03:22:25,680
factors in revenue and and advertising
dollars and and the cost to Lamar and

1683
03:22:23,920 --> 03:22:30,560
you know the cost to even uh upgrade
this sign with the city um wrapping pole

1684
03:22:28,399 --> 03:22:34,960
wrapping if you is what it's called is
about $45,000. So we we consider all

1685
03:22:33,200 --> 03:22:39,760
those factors on whether this digital
makes sense. It made sense under all the

1686
03:22:37,840 --> 03:22:46,319
parameters with the existing ordinance
and and with the existing um parameters

1687
03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:50,479
that the city has. We would have to take
another look at this because there may

1688
03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:56,000
be another
sign or digital location that would make

1689
03:22:53,600 --> 03:23:00,479
more sense if you're asking us to take
down faces. So we have to look at the

1690
03:22:58,640 --> 03:23:08,960
financial impact and then we also look
at the impact of um your local you know

1691
03:23:04,560 --> 03:23:11,680
the local uh land owners who are going
to be affected by this

1692
03:23:10,080 --> 03:23:16,080
» and and I understand that and that's the
argument you brought up in the past and

1693
03:23:13,520 --> 03:23:19,439
and I we have a shot clock up here. It's
unspoken shot clock and I'm over it

1694
03:23:18,205 --> 03:23:23,040
[laughter] and and I can see there's
other light

1695
03:23:20,800 --> 03:23:26,399
» but I do want to finish my thought and
that is

1696
03:23:24,399 --> 03:23:28,880
» when we talked to you about this before
and I've had a phone call with you as

1697
03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:34,000
well. Sure.
>> You've made the argument that those are

1698
03:23:31,040 --> 03:23:39,120
properties that those current billboards
are billboards that are the property is

1699
03:23:36,479 --> 03:23:42,800
owned by local land owners and we would
be impacting them for taking them down

1700
03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:48,080
which is a really good argument. But it
also tells me that if if we put this

1701
03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:52,560
bill if we approve your billboard now on
the 79 and then we change our we now

1702
03:23:51,279 --> 03:23:56,319
have an ordinance in place where you
have to take two or three down, you

1703
03:23:54,319 --> 03:24:00,399
can't take them down anyways.
>> Well, we would look at where what

1704
03:23:58,319 --> 03:24:02,960
locations those would be. So, I mean,
there's there's

1705
03:24:01,359 --> 03:24:05,359
» you would have to tell us and and I'm
I'm like I said, I've overdone it, but

1706
03:24:05,040 --> 03:24:10,560
um
>> but but we look at there's there's many

1707
03:24:08,479 --> 03:24:17,680
um considerations, financial
considerations that Lamar takes in into

1708
03:24:13,760 --> 03:24:22,000
consideration um as to what location
makes the best sense or most sense for a

1709
03:24:20,080 --> 03:24:26,800
digital. What's the financial impact?
What's the financial impact on taking

1710
03:24:23,920 --> 03:24:31,200
down other signs to you know, should we
do we look at the railroad? Would that

1711
03:24:28,560 --> 03:24:35,040
be a better um less impact so we're not
impacting local residents? There's

1712
03:24:33,279 --> 03:24:40,319
there's several factors. I mean, the
city has a a billboard um you know, do

1713
03:24:38,319 --> 03:24:44,080
we look at taking this city's billboard
down and reducing your revenue? I I

1714
03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:48,160
don't think that's something we'd want
to do. [laughter]

1715
03:24:46,080 --> 03:24:51,439
» Not a great way to to start talking
about a negotiation development

1716
03:24:50,562 --> 03:24:54,479
[laughter] agreement.
>> No, but I think we're I think we're

1717
03:24:52,720 --> 03:24:59,520
saying the same thing. I we are
definitely in favor of everything the

1718
03:24:57,600 --> 03:25:03,200
new ordinance states. We are just trying
to get this approved under the current

1719
03:25:01,120 --> 03:25:07,600
ordinance because honestly I started
this process with Carol Kendrick, I

1720
03:25:06,640 --> 03:25:11,040
believe her name was.
>> You know, I understand, but I really

1721
03:25:08,880 --> 03:25:12,319
would like my other my colleagues to
have a chance to speak.

1722
03:25:11,920 --> 03:25:16,000
» No problem.
>> All right, Council Member Fen.

1723
03:25:13,760 --> 03:25:20,160
» Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Uh staff, am I
correct that there's only two billboards

1724
03:25:17,439 --> 03:25:26,319
on Bulmont Avenue south of the freeway?
Um, I know that there's another one at

1725
03:25:23,200 --> 03:25:32,560
the norththeast corner of Bowmont Avenue
and Fourth Street, just a few feet away

1726
03:25:28,880 --> 03:25:35,920
from the entrance to the freeway. So, to
my understanding, there's only two

1727
03:25:33,840 --> 03:25:39,520
billboards on that whole part of of
Bowmont Avenue. Is that correct?

1728
03:25:37,840 --> 03:25:41,920
» Based on Lamar's website, there's four,
but it might be four faces. I would have

1729
03:25:41,200 --> 03:25:46,160
to validate,
>> I would think.

1730
03:25:42,800 --> 03:25:48,960
» Okay. Um, and from a satellite photo, I
can tell that this is a two-face

1731
03:25:47,760 --> 03:25:55,600
billboard. the one that I'm talking
about fourth and um and Bulmont Avenue.

1732
03:25:52,160 --> 03:25:59,920
Um when as when you're driving up into
Bowmont, coming from the south, I think

1733
03:25:57,439 --> 03:26:06,560
a monument type sign and a welcome to
Bulmont's a good idea. Um I think and

1734
03:26:03,279 --> 03:26:12,160
the discussion with swapping billboards
for other billboards that to me would be

1735
03:26:09,359 --> 03:26:17,279
in higher saturated areas along the 10.
I don't think we're overly saturated on

1736
03:26:14,720 --> 03:26:20,880
79 south of the freeway. Um, and again,
I think there's only the two billboards.

1737
03:26:19,279 --> 03:26:23,680
Um,
Lesie, do you know if that billboard

1738
03:26:22,319 --> 03:26:26,479
belongs to Lamar?
>> Yes. And it's um it's on the city

1739
03:26:25,600 --> 03:26:27,920
property.
>> Okay.

1740
03:26:26,880 --> 03:26:31,439
» So, that is that's
>> and it's a and it's a small one. It's

1741
03:26:30,160 --> 03:26:34,720
very close to the freeway.
>> That's exactly right. That is actually

1742
03:26:32,880 --> 03:26:39,920
city property and that is one that the
city does um you do a revenue share with

1743
03:26:38,080 --> 03:26:43,279
the city. Okay. And they
>> they get a percentage.

1744
03:26:41,920 --> 03:26:45,680
» Have her use the mic.
>> And I would think that that's probably

1745
03:26:44,560 --> 03:26:48,000
not a good place for digital
billboarders. People are trying to get

1746
03:26:46,800 --> 03:26:50,399
on the freeway right there and they're
probably not even paying attention to

1747
03:26:49,200 --> 03:26:54,640
that quite so much.
>> It's it's a size um there's a size

1748
03:26:53,120 --> 03:26:58,239
limitation that's a smaller billboard
and it it does not

1749
03:26:56,239 --> 03:27:02,000
» is that even smaller than the t the Mr.
Taco one? Yes, it is. Okay. All right.

1750
03:27:00,160 --> 03:27:05,520
» It's a considered a poster.
>> So to move forward to give some type of

1751
03:27:04,000 --> 03:27:07,439
direction, I would I would support
what's being proposed tonight. Thank

1752
03:27:07,120 --> 03:27:11,359
you.
>> Thank you, Council Member Martinez.

1753
03:27:09,279 --> 03:27:16,239
» Yeah. It baffles me that we're even
having a discussion on billboards when

1754
03:27:13,279 --> 03:27:21,680
we're process revising our ordinance.
Um, you know, there's a comment made

1755
03:27:18,000 --> 03:27:25,520
about the uh we shouldn't be looking at
the ordinance that's still in draft form

1756
03:27:23,600 --> 03:27:29,279
yet because it's not finalized. But the
whole idea of that is because our

1757
03:27:27,040 --> 03:27:33,040
mindset was still in many different
places. We still don't have an agreement

1758
03:27:31,279 --> 03:27:38,000
on an overlay. We still don't have an
agreement on how many we take down

1759
03:27:35,200 --> 03:27:41,760
statics where they go. And to sit there
and to start saying yes, we'll approve

1760
03:27:39,840 --> 03:27:45,680
this and that to me is ahead of
ourselves because we haven't seen the

1761
03:27:43,920 --> 03:27:50,000
whole totality of what the ordinance
looks like. I think we really should

1762
03:27:47,680 --> 03:27:52,479
wait until the ordinance is done, see
what it says because I have a feeling

1763
03:27:51,439 --> 03:27:56,560
we're still going to go through some
debate on it and then once we get to a

1764
03:27:54,640 --> 03:28:00,800
consensus for those things that come up,
we can start looking to see how are they

1765
03:27:58,319 --> 03:28:05,040
fitting in this, you know, whole
totality. Because what we're doing is

1766
03:28:02,880 --> 03:28:08,479
one-offs. We're doing this one. Yeah.
And then what happens when the next one

1767
03:28:06,479 --> 03:28:11,600
comes up? And then well, we're going to
is that a saturation? Is that an

1768
03:28:09,840 --> 03:28:15,760
outsaturation? And that's what the whole
idea of the ordinance revision is for is

1769
03:28:14,000 --> 03:28:20,640
to sit there and come up with a plan of
how this is looking. So why would we sit

1770
03:28:18,080 --> 03:28:26,399
there and start saying yes and no before
that's done. It makes no sense to me.

1771
03:28:23,120 --> 03:28:30,640
Um, so I I have in agreement uh to not
pass anything right now until that's

1772
03:28:28,239 --> 03:28:34,560
done so we can look at this in totality
because I think, you know, we made a

1773
03:28:32,880 --> 03:28:39,600
comment which is a good comment and let
me be clear, I'm not for or against the

1774
03:28:37,040 --> 03:28:44,160
sign or anything like that. I I think
it's a good place for one. I think it'll

1775
03:28:41,359 --> 03:28:48,399
work. But to me, doing a decision or
making a decision without having the

1776
03:28:45,920 --> 03:28:52,399
ordinance in front of us doesn't make
sense because it's a oneoff and then and

1777
03:28:51,359 --> 03:28:58,239
I just don't know where it's going to
stop. So I say, why don't we wait and

1778
03:28:55,279 --> 03:29:02,960
get the thing here, get it fine-tuned,
and then come up and say, "Okay, where

1779
03:29:00,640 --> 03:29:07,120
does that fit in this totality?" Because
the comment is, well, it makes sense to

1780
03:29:04,720 --> 03:29:11,040
them, but it doesn't make sense to us if
we don't have an agreement of what what

1781
03:29:09,439 --> 03:29:15,200
it is we're talking about. Because we
brought up saturation, we brought up

1782
03:29:12,880 --> 03:29:20,319
zoning, we brought up uh how many to
take down, and we there's just too many

1783
03:29:17,520 --> 03:29:24,960
questions. And to me, to make a decision
on something that we don't even have

1784
03:29:22,319 --> 03:29:30,720
clear uh vision and unity on doesn't
make sense to me. So, maybe I'm I'm solo

1785
03:29:28,080 --> 03:29:34,399
on that. But to me, I think the council
got ahead of itself and I I think we

1786
03:29:32,560 --> 03:29:38,000
should say, you know, thank you for
this, but let's wait until it's done,

1787
03:29:36,319 --> 03:29:40,000
then come back and let's see how it fits
in with the ordinance. That's my

1788
03:29:39,520 --> 03:29:43,520
comment.
>> Thanks, Council Member Martinez. Mart

1789
03:29:41,760 --> 03:29:46,399
Mr. Martinez, I do believe that we have
the city attorney who has some

1790
03:29:44,720 --> 03:29:50,239
additional information. Yeah, I just
wanted to say, you know, I read earlier

1791
03:29:48,399 --> 03:29:55,040
provisions that I think are relevant to
this discussion from the existing

1792
03:29:51,840 --> 03:30:00,160
ordinance and that's the only ordinance
or law that you have before you on which

1793
03:29:57,200 --> 03:30:06,399
to deal with this application
and you know the the the provisions that

1794
03:30:04,000 --> 03:30:12,239
deal with the discretionary agreement.
If there are terms, if if you're able to

1795
03:30:09,359 --> 03:30:16,399
work out a deal with the applicant on
terms that you find acceptable, that's

1796
03:30:14,479 --> 03:30:23,120
the way to deal with it is through the
mutually negotiated agreement. Um rather

1797
03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:26,080
than applying a rule that has not been
adopted yet, you should work with the

1798
03:30:24,640 --> 03:30:29,040
ordinance that you have on the books
now.

1799
03:30:26,960 --> 03:30:34,239
» So, so may I ask on that?
>> Yes. So going back then, so when we look

1800
03:30:32,080 --> 03:30:40,640
at something to our discretion as the
ordinance is written now, we would be

1801
03:30:36,880 --> 03:30:45,040
discussing what where it fits,
where it stands.

1802
03:30:42,239 --> 03:30:47,120
» It's it's actually what does that mean?
Our discuss

1803
03:30:45,600 --> 03:30:51,120
» Well, that's that's a good question and
and it's very broad both under the city

1804
03:30:49,439 --> 03:30:56,399
ordinance and I think intentionally
broad under the city ordinance and under

1805
03:30:53,120 --> 03:31:00,720
state law. it's um to enter into
relocation agreements on whatever terms

1806
03:30:58,800 --> 03:31:04,399
are agreeable to the display owner in
the city. So you can negotiate those

1807
03:31:02,239 --> 03:31:08,239
terms but do it through the agreement
rather than trying to apply what might

1808
03:31:06,720 --> 03:31:11,760
be adopted at a future date.
>> So then let me rephrase and say that I

1809
03:31:10,319 --> 03:31:15,840
don't believe that we should have
digital any more digital at this moment

1810
03:31:14,319 --> 03:31:20,399
and that's what I would base my decision
on. So I I think I'd like to step in for

1811
03:31:18,720 --> 03:31:23,840
just a second. And I think when I'm
looking at things through the lens of

1812
03:31:22,479 --> 03:31:28,720
always trying to think about right
reason, right time, right place, and and

1813
03:31:26,560 --> 03:31:32,000
for the right purpose, you know, these
are often things that we're thinking

1814
03:31:30,560 --> 03:31:35,840
about and contemplating while we're up
here. And and we have to look at it

1815
03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:40,160
right now, which is we have the
opportunity to enter into an agreement

1816
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:44,720
and have a discussion. And I think that
we can direct staff to go further out

1817
03:31:42,239 --> 03:31:48,479
into that discussion and then to bring
back what that agreement would look

1818
03:31:46,560 --> 03:31:51,840
like. Now, at that point, there's
negotiating power and we do have the

1819
03:31:50,239 --> 03:31:55,680
opportunity to come to a sensible
agreement that says, "Hey, yeah, this

1820
03:31:53,359 --> 03:32:02,239
might be the place to go." But
currently, right now, I personally have

1821
03:31:58,080 --> 03:32:05,920
an issue with not looking at what is in
place currently. So, right now, we are

1822
03:32:04,399 --> 03:32:09,439
bound by this ordinance, which actually
gives us great latitude to be honest

1823
03:32:07,600 --> 03:32:12,399
with you. And when I'm looking at policy
decisions, sometimes it's nice to have

1824
03:32:10,880 --> 03:32:17,040
great latitude because then I'm not
painted into a corner. You know, there

1825
03:32:14,399 --> 03:32:20,960
in policy from a nursing perspective, I
have what's called nursing judgment. And

1826
03:32:18,720 --> 03:32:24,880
sometimes it's important to exercise my
judgment because not everything is black

1827
03:32:23,359 --> 03:32:30,640
and white. And sometimes we need to live
in a gray area. And for this, this feels

1828
03:32:27,520 --> 03:32:35,359
like a gray area. This is, is it the
right

1829
03:32:32,399 --> 03:32:38,880
project for the right reason for the
city of Bmont? I think that's really the

1830
03:32:37,120 --> 03:32:43,600
question that we're grappling with and I
think that we all at this point probably

1831
03:32:41,520 --> 03:32:46,720
to council member or mayor pro Tim
White's point for the previous

1832
03:32:45,200 --> 03:32:52,000
discussion don't have enough information
to make that decision today and I would

1833
03:32:50,160 --> 03:32:56,160
like to see us go to the drawing board
on what an agreement looks like that has

1834
03:32:54,160 --> 03:32:59,439
further parameters and I don't know what
the rest of the council looks like or to

1835
03:32:57,760 --> 03:33:05,120
investigate right now we don't know a
revenue sharing we've heard on the table

1836
03:33:01,600 --> 03:33:08,560
a removal of other ones um and so for me
it makes sense to go out into an

1837
03:33:06,800 --> 03:33:12,640
agreement and to start negotiating that
process.

1838
03:33:10,640 --> 03:33:15,359
» So, so yeah, just to tear off what you
said and you know, of course staff can

1839
03:33:14,239 --> 03:33:19,600
go back and further work with the
applicant. The the ideas that were

1840
03:33:16,720 --> 03:33:24,319
brought up tonight include um removal of
additional static billboards in exchange

1841
03:33:21,520 --> 03:33:29,520
for approval of this one. U potential
revenue sharing. Uh looking at the

1842
03:33:27,600 --> 03:33:35,439
opportunity to make this into more of a
monument sign or aesthetic improvements

1843
03:33:32,160 --> 03:33:38,720
to what it's what's currently proposed.
Um, I believe that's all the I believe

1844
03:33:37,200 --> 03:33:41,200
that solidifies all the comments I've
heard. I

1845
03:33:39,359 --> 03:33:46,000
» I just have one more that I forgot to
add. I apologize. Um, it it kind of goes

1846
03:33:44,399 --> 03:33:51,520
along the lines of revenue sharing or
perhaps maybe um

1847
03:33:48,960 --> 03:33:55,359
where it go public uh public service
announcements like if the city has

1848
03:33:53,040 --> 03:33:59,600
something projects that they could be on
there and then that's a it's a a

1849
03:33:58,080 --> 03:34:01,760
trade-off so to speak. So just something
else to negotiate.

1850
03:34:01,040 --> 03:34:04,640
» Thank you, mayor.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead, M.

1851
03:34:03,279 --> 03:34:10,479
» I just want to mention that I guess
tonight I'm fickle. So, I will say that

1852
03:34:08,000 --> 03:34:15,680
um I've never wanted to stop, you know,
discussion and compromising. So, I am

1853
03:34:13,120 --> 03:34:20,160
also for going back to see maybe what we
can do about this to to see if this

1854
03:34:17,520 --> 03:34:23,359
could work. So, go ahead and state that.
>> Okay. Very good. Do we need a motion to

1855
03:34:21,760 --> 03:34:28,000
move forward?
I think we

1856
03:34:25,120 --> 03:34:31,439
» my sense is we probably have the city
manager just went over his understanding

1857
03:34:29,920 --> 03:34:36,160
of some of the direction that was given
and and we could work um staff can work

1858
03:34:34,640 --> 03:34:39,680
with the parameters that have been
provided and then try to negotiate and

1859
03:34:38,160 --> 03:34:40,399
see if there's an interest on the other
side.

1860
03:34:40,080 --> 03:34:43,840
» Okay.
>> And then bring something back based on

1861
03:34:42,319 --> 03:34:47,120
the direction given tonight.
>> Okay.

1862
03:34:44,720 --> 03:34:49,760
» So yeah, direct staff to move forward
and I would table the item tonight and

1863
03:34:48,800 --> 03:34:54,800
then we'll bring it back.
>> Okay. So, I will make a motion to table

1864
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:56,720
the item. Uh, pending further
discussion.

1865
03:34:55,760 --> 03:34:59,760
» I'll second.
>> Can we get a roll call, please?

1866
03:34:58,560 --> 03:35:01,439
» Council member Laura,
>> yes.

1867
03:35:00,160 --> 03:35:03,520
» Council member Finn,
>> yes.

1868
03:35:02,160 --> 03:35:05,120
» Council member Martinez,
>> yes.

1869
03:35:03,920 --> 03:35:06,560
» Mayor Pro Tim White,
>> yes.

1870
03:35:05,680 --> 03:35:10,399
» Mayor Voit,
>> yes.

1871
03:35:08,080 --> 03:35:13,120
» All right. Do we want to take uh 10
minutes?

1872
03:35:12,640 --> 03:35:17,439
» Five.
>> Five minutes. Okay. How about we take a

1873
03:35:15,040 --> 03:35:24,920
five minute break? We'll we'll come back
at How about 8:35?

1874
03:35:20,080 --> 03:35:24,920
8:35 we'll come back. All right.

1875
03:45:22,880 --> 03:45:31,840
All right, we are back at 8:37
and we will be moving on to J3, adoption

1876
03:45:30,000 --> 03:45:34,319
of the city of Bowmont sponsorship
policy and we have a staff report by Mr.

1877
03:45:33,760 --> 03:45:38,080
Craw.
>> Mayor, I'd like to uh interject if if

1878
03:45:36,560 --> 03:45:41,760
it's possible to see if there's any
public comments. I'd like to make a

1879
03:45:39,760 --> 03:45:44,960
motion if there are no public comments.
Are there any public comments on this

1880
03:45:43,439 --> 03:45:48,479
item?
>> I have no written requests. Simone, do

1881
03:45:46,560 --> 03:45:52,479
we have any callers on the line?
>> We have no callers at this time.

1882
03:45:50,399 --> 03:45:56,479
» Okay. So, I will move to approve the
city of Bowmont sponsorship policy and

1883
03:45:54,399 --> 03:45:59,920
direct staff to administer future
sponsorship requests in [clears throat]

1884
03:45:58,080 --> 03:46:04,720
accordance with policy and subject to
available funding. I did read the right

1885
03:46:01,840 --> 03:46:07,600
one this time. Right.
>> Yes.

1886
03:46:05,279 --> 03:46:12,080
» Okay. Before I've done it
>> for the recommended action.

1887
03:46:09,120 --> 03:46:15,920
» I'll second if it's the right one.
All right, we have a first and a second

1888
03:46:13,680 --> 03:46:17,760
and it was the right one. Uh, can I get
a roll call then?

1889
03:46:16,800 --> 03:46:19,920
» Great job, Don.
>> Wow.

1890
03:46:18,160 --> 03:46:22,319
» Council member Laura.
>> Yes.

1891
03:46:20,800 --> 03:46:25,040
» Council member Finn.
>> Yes.

1892
03:46:22,800 --> 03:46:31,319
» Council member Martinez.
>> Yes. I'm sorry.

1893
03:46:26,640 --> 03:46:31,319
» Mayor Prom White, sit down.

1894
03:46:32,399 --> 03:46:38,239
» I just want to know if you have a pool
tonight. Which ones are going to get

1895
03:46:35,439 --> 03:46:42,239
pushed through?
>> Okay. Are you operating?

1896
03:46:39,520 --> 03:46:45,199
» Uh uh yes, I approve it. [laughter]
>> Mayor Void.

1897
03:46:43,120 --> 03:46:51,040
» Yes. Okay. [snorts]
And in an expeditious fashion, we'll go

1898
03:46:47,520 --> 03:46:54,800
to J4 2026 Bowmont Night season recap
and proposed 2027

1899
03:46:53,520 --> 03:47:00,960
program.
>> Yes. Uh mayor and council, we do want to

1900
03:46:57,920 --> 03:47:07,120
provide a recap of some of the successes
from uh this last year and our Bowmont

1901
03:47:04,080 --> 03:47:12,560
Nights program. This is our third season
running the Bowmont Nights on Thursday

1902
03:47:09,359 --> 03:47:17,760
nights in downtown. Uh, and we had some
great successes. I have Ashley here from

1903
03:47:14,560 --> 03:47:21,760
our staff to go over some of the uh,
exciting things that we saw this year to

1904
03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:26,239
help provide uh, just a little bit of
context of some of the victories and

1905
03:47:23,760 --> 03:47:31,359
things that uh, happened out there. So,
I will turn it over to Ashley and I will

1906
03:47:28,399 --> 03:47:34,600
pull up a PowerPoint as she goes through
her presentation.

1907
03:47:35,840 --> 03:47:43,920
So
there we go. So our 12week Bumont nights

1908
03:47:41,359 --> 03:47:49,040
ran from April 30th to July 30th from
6:30 to 9:30 p.m. Um we had

1909
03:47:46,720 --> 03:47:54,880
approximately 130 vendors applied for
our 94 available booth spaces. Um which

1910
03:47:52,479 --> 03:48:00,720
did represent 1.4 applicants per
available booth space. The 94 space

1911
03:47:58,319 --> 03:48:05,600
figure represents our physical capacity,
not a target of 94 vendors because we do

1912
03:48:03,680 --> 03:48:11,279
have like food trucks take up two
spaces. So, um that does impact the

1913
03:48:09,439 --> 03:48:17,359
number of vendors we are allowed to
take. For our visits, Placer AI um

1914
03:48:15,120 --> 03:48:23,040
estimated there are approximate 33,000
total visits across the 12 event dates

1915
03:48:20,000 --> 03:48:26,880
with an average of about 2,700 visits
per event. The strongest estimated

1916
03:48:25,439 --> 03:48:34,160
attendance occurred during block one,
which is in April and May with visits

1917
03:48:29,920 --> 03:48:39,120
about 3,500 on May 7th and 3100 on May
21st. We do estimate that some of the

1918
03:48:37,520 --> 03:48:43,680
numbers for our events were a little
under reppresented specifically with

1919
03:48:40,960 --> 03:48:48,080
National Night Out. Due to how Placer AI
uses their analytics based on cell phone

1920
03:48:45,520 --> 03:48:52,399
data, events that are heavily attended
by youth may not be captured in that

1921
03:48:50,960 --> 03:48:56,560
data because they don't come around with
their cell phones. So we do anticipate

1922
03:48:54,399 --> 03:49:00,960
that there were highly attended events
later on in the year as well. Uh next

1923
03:48:59,680 --> 03:49:04,800
slide Doug.
>> Okay. So your enterprise and downtown

1924
03:49:02,880 --> 03:49:08,160
civic life. This whole event provided
affordable opportunities for our small

1925
03:49:06,239 --> 03:49:11,840
businesses, our food vendors, artisans,
entrepreneurs to reach the residents as

1926
03:49:10,319 --> 03:49:16,319
well as our city departments and our
nonprofits to engage with the community.

1927
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:20,319
Um you can also see if you attended the
events that we had a lot of the downtown

1928
03:49:18,239 --> 03:49:24,160
businesses came out to participate. You
had Red Dragon Karate, the Modern Music

1929
03:49:22,399 --> 03:49:29,760
Studio,
um, Red, Dance Spectrum, Chamber of

1930
03:49:28,080 --> 03:49:32,880
Commerce was out there, the antique shop
did little promos to get people to come

1931
03:49:31,359 --> 03:49:37,439
inside. So, it's really engaging, not
for just the vendors, but also the

1932
03:49:34,239 --> 03:49:41,199
downtown businesses as well. The family
experience, we had live entertainment

1933
03:49:39,279 --> 03:49:45,840
and activities with a broad range of
ages and encouraged which encouraged

1934
03:49:43,760 --> 03:49:49,600
repeat attendance. Um we do remain
committed to providing a broad range of

1935
03:49:47,520 --> 03:49:53,920
musical entertainment across a variety
of genres. Although do we do typically

1936
03:49:52,319 --> 03:49:59,600
see higher attendance and we have like
classic rock and country bands.

1937
03:49:58,880 --> 03:50:03,520
Next slide.
>> Yeah.

1938
03:50:01,664 --> 03:50:07,840
[snorts] So, new for this year, we did
have our Battle of the Bands, which took

1939
03:50:05,279 --> 03:50:12,239
place June 11th through July 23rd and
added a participatory element to the

1940
03:50:10,479 --> 03:50:18,239
entertainment program um providing
emerging musicians of the opportunity to

1941
03:50:16,080 --> 03:50:23,120
um showcase their talents and connect
with the residents. And this also tied

1942
03:50:21,199 --> 03:50:27,199
in with our Blizzard bash. So, the
winner of the Battle of the Bands, which

1943
03:50:25,040 --> 03:50:32,239
was Crimson Rose, is now going to
perform on December 12th. Um, we did

1944
03:50:30,479 --> 03:50:36,399
learn that these local entertainments,
they do bring out more attendees. They

1945
03:50:34,960 --> 03:50:39,680
invite their family, their friends to
come out and watch and to vote for them.

1946
03:50:38,000 --> 03:50:44,239
So, it does increase attendance earlier
on in the evening, which was amazing to

1947
03:50:42,000 --> 03:50:48,960
have that. Another enhancement we had
this year was our kids zone and our

1948
03:50:45,680 --> 03:50:52,399
extended shade structure. So, we moved
our kids zone from 7th Street over to

1949
03:50:50,960 --> 03:50:55,680
the Sheer Wonders parking lot, which
provided a little bit more area so we

1950
03:50:54,000 --> 03:51:01,359
could have different types of games and
activities. We also had um Highland

1951
03:50:59,680 --> 03:51:06,319
Academy Charter School. They attended
with us, had a booth, did some outreach

1952
03:51:03,199 --> 03:51:11,279
as well. And then our shade structure
was a 30 foot x4t extended shade

1953
03:51:08,960 --> 03:51:16,000
structure, which provided a lot more
comfort to our attendees, especially

1954
03:51:13,120 --> 03:51:22,800
during the summer months.
And we had the addition of a four pod

1955
03:51:20,319 --> 03:51:26,319
layout. The two previous years we had
pods of six and fours as a variety

1956
03:51:24,880 --> 03:51:30,960
throughout the event, but streamlining
it to a four pod layout made the whole

1957
03:51:28,960 --> 03:51:35,359
event space just planned out a little
bit better with a little bit more flow

1958
03:51:32,640 --> 03:51:40,640
of traffic through the event.
And then our July 23rd beer garden was a

1959
03:51:38,560 --> 03:51:45,279
success. So, we look forward to your
feedback on bringing that back in the

1960
03:51:42,880 --> 03:51:51,680
future. And I'll turn it back over to
Doug for our 2027 plans.

1961
03:51:47,760 --> 03:51:56,960
» Yes. And as we get into the 2027,
um Ashley and her staff did just a

1962
03:51:55,040 --> 03:52:00,000
fantastic job. And I know um each of you
were out at different times and saw

1963
03:51:58,640 --> 03:52:03,680
different things going on with the
staff. I can't um give them enough

1964
03:52:01,840 --> 03:52:07,600
credit. And I, you know, please continue
to give them their praise because they

1965
03:52:06,160 --> 03:52:11,760
they worked hard. They deserve it and
did a fantastic job. We did learn a lot

1966
03:52:09,439 --> 03:52:17,279
of different uh lessons and a lot of
things throughout the 2026 season and

1967
03:52:13,920 --> 03:52:23,760
going into the 2027. Uh a couple of
things that we are looking to change and

1968
03:52:20,319 --> 03:52:28,880
to adjust is uh the offerings the dates
in which we offer the um program. Uh we

1969
03:52:27,120 --> 03:52:35,520
are finding that the hotter summer
months definitely impacts the attendance

1970
03:52:30,880 --> 03:52:39,199
and um as we have multiple years of data
uh we see that kind of no matter no

1971
03:52:37,439 --> 03:52:43,840
matter what we do and what we offer you
know it's just hard to get people to

1972
03:52:40,399 --> 03:52:48,000
come outside when it's 102. Uh and so
one of the things we want to do is

1973
03:52:45,120 --> 03:52:53,840
adjust the schedule. We would like to
introduce an opportunity to have um a

1974
03:52:50,560 --> 03:52:57,680
single night of a month uh dedicated to
a Bowmont Nights program where that'll

1975
03:52:56,080 --> 03:53:02,239
open us up an opportunity to have some
other thematic programming go on during

1976
03:53:00,000 --> 03:53:09,600
those nights. So what we're looking at
is um doing um single nights per month

1977
03:53:06,479 --> 03:53:13,920
in the months of March and April. uh in
March that would allow us to do some fun

1978
03:53:11,359 --> 03:53:17,279
theming maybe with St. Patrick's Day. Uh
in April, we have some fun opportunities

1979
03:53:16,080 --> 03:53:20,560
with some partnerships that are coming
to the city and hopefully some an

1980
03:53:19,120 --> 03:53:23,760
exciting event uh that's going to be
able to happen on that day as well. And

1981
03:53:22,319 --> 03:53:28,239
so we're going to kind of incorporate
some of some of that as well. Then you

1982
03:53:25,439 --> 03:53:32,560
go into uh the month of May where we saw
our highest nights. That's when we would

1983
03:53:30,160 --> 03:53:37,760
start our each week program. And so we
would operate uh the four weeks in May

1984
03:53:34,960 --> 03:53:40,960
and then offer the times in June as
well. Uh, and that would be our

1985
03:53:39,120 --> 03:53:45,040
consistent weeks that we would work
through the summer. Uh, and then as we

1986
03:53:42,800 --> 03:53:48,640
get into the July, uh, we would have our
Fourth of July night tied with our

1987
03:53:46,720 --> 03:53:53,359
weekend for the Fourth of July event.
And then we'll end it with a national

1988
03:53:51,199 --> 03:53:57,439
night out event again as well. Then as
we go into the fall, open us up for some

1989
03:53:55,120 --> 03:54:01,840
new opportunities, take uh, the hot the
hot time of August off. Uh, and then get

1990
03:54:00,160 --> 03:54:06,319
back into things in September and
October. perhaps do like an October Fest

1991
03:54:04,720 --> 03:54:11,040
themed night where we can have some of
those fun things or a fall themed event.

1992
03:54:08,479 --> 03:54:17,199
And then November 11th is Veterans Day
and we want to do a a fun uh just a a

1993
03:54:14,319 --> 03:54:20,720
really great uh national themed day and
honor our veterans and bring out some

1994
03:54:18,640 --> 03:54:24,080
real special agencies and groups uh that
can partner us with those days. No

1995
03:54:22,319 --> 03:54:27,520
matter what day we do the market night
event, we'll have some of the same

1996
03:54:25,600 --> 03:54:30,960
formatting. So, we're looking at having
u musical performance, we'll have the

1997
03:54:29,199 --> 03:54:35,840
same type of closure, the same type of
stage performance. uh the the shade uh

1998
03:54:33,760 --> 03:54:39,199
when we need it uh and then be able to
offer some of that other thematic uh

1999
03:54:37,760 --> 03:54:43,359
opportunity. So the scheduling we're
looking at tweaking a little bit. Uh

2000
03:54:41,040 --> 03:54:47,439
we're able to absorb these into our
current budget that we have right now.

2001
03:54:45,359 --> 03:54:50,800
And so we're not necessarily asking for
additional funds to fix any of these

2002
03:54:49,520 --> 03:54:54,560
right now. We're just going to shorten
some of the things that we have. And

2003
03:54:52,319 --> 03:54:59,279
this also uh we have in our budget some
other events that are taking places at

2004
03:54:56,399 --> 03:55:03,279
other places. Uh we've tried to do a um
St. Patrick's Day event up at the CRC.

2005
03:55:01,600 --> 03:55:06,160
Uh, and it's been great and our staff's
been doing a fantastic job, but now this

2006
03:55:04,560 --> 03:55:09,040
kind of opens us an opportunity to bring
it downtown and make it a little bit

2007
03:55:07,600 --> 03:55:11,600
bigger. Uh, so some of these things are
already in the budget in different

2008
03:55:10,399 --> 03:55:16,800
categories and we're just going to move
them into the Bowmont Nights category.

2009
03:55:13,920 --> 03:55:20,399
Uh, and then [clears throat] one of the
other enhancements and that Ashley

2010
03:55:18,160 --> 03:55:24,399
mentioned too as well is the the beer
garden. We did try a beer garden and one

2011
03:55:22,720 --> 03:55:28,720
of the nights that operated on on
Seventh Street and we had a local uh

2012
03:55:26,560 --> 03:55:32,720
vendor that operated that for us. we
were only in charge of kind of setting

2013
03:55:30,720 --> 03:55:36,239
up that area for them and then they
operated that area. Uh went through the

2014
03:55:34,800 --> 03:55:40,880
necessary permitting and the process
with ABC and the police department to go

2015
03:55:38,239 --> 03:55:44,640
through that. Uh and and that was a a
great turnout and I think people really

2016
03:55:42,560 --> 03:55:48,800
enjoyed having additional areas to sit
and enjoy the the music and the

2017
03:55:47,040 --> 03:55:52,319
environment and the fun. Uh and they
were able to make it successful on

2018
03:55:50,399 --> 03:55:58,000
probably one of the the hottest nights
that we had out there. Uh and so that is

2019
03:55:55,199 --> 03:56:02,640
something that we want to look uh at uh
if if council's in favor of that is

2020
03:56:00,319 --> 03:56:07,680
figuring out ways to uh encourage that
and expand that opportunity in the

2021
03:56:05,359 --> 03:56:11,040
event. We're also looking at adding some
specialty items to our market nights.

2022
03:56:09,920 --> 03:56:16,399
One of those and one of the requests
from community has been a certified type

2023
03:56:14,160 --> 03:56:20,720
farmers market that sells vegetables and
different foods and artisan eats and

2024
03:56:19,040 --> 03:56:24,000
stuff. Uh and so we're looking at
carving out that. there's a few uh

2025
03:56:22,640 --> 03:56:27,040
additional hoops that we have to jump
through in order to have a farmers

2026
03:56:25,439 --> 03:56:31,439
market on site, but we think we can
navigate through that process. Uh so

2027
03:56:29,439 --> 03:56:34,399
there's uh some really cool uh
distinctive programming and some

2028
03:56:33,120 --> 03:56:39,680
different elements that we would like to
encourage adding in 2027. So all in all

2029
03:56:37,760 --> 03:56:43,359
uh has been a great thing uh mostly
because we have such a great staff and I

2030
03:56:41,760 --> 03:56:48,880
will say that I think over the three
years our staff has become uh very

2031
03:56:46,160 --> 03:56:52,560
proficient and efficient in putting on
these events. um whether that's through

2032
03:56:51,120 --> 03:56:56,640
building relationships with the county
or different permitting agencies and

2033
03:56:54,880 --> 03:56:59,920
getting this process done or also
teaming with all of our other

2034
03:56:57,680 --> 03:57:03,279
departments that we have here. Uh we
couldn't do it without public works and

2035
03:57:01,760 --> 03:57:06,080
planning and building and everyone else
who comes out and fire and PD and

2036
03:57:04,640 --> 03:57:10,399
everyone who's there to to help support
us. But um the community and the staff

2037
03:57:07,920 --> 03:57:13,359
as a whole feels that that um those
experiences have been really strong and

2038
03:57:11,840 --> 03:57:17,040
it's it's just providing a great
opportunity for our community. So, we'd

2039
03:57:14,880 --> 03:57:21,359
love to continue to operate it and offer
it to our community and love to hear

2040
03:57:18,479 --> 03:57:25,120
some comments from your experience.
>> All right, great. Thank you. Do we have

2041
03:57:22,960 --> 03:57:30,080
any public comment for this item?
>> I have no written request, Simone. Do we

2042
03:57:26,800 --> 03:57:34,399
have any callers on the line?
>> We have no callers at this time.

2043
03:57:32,560 --> 03:57:37,840
» All right, great. First off, I'd like to
start off with a huge thank you. As you

2044
03:57:35,920 --> 03:57:42,560
said, um I spent many nights down at
Bowmont Nights this year and absolutely

2045
03:57:39,760 --> 03:57:47,520
enjoyed myself thoroughly. um the family
time, all of the families that were out

2046
03:57:44,319 --> 03:57:52,080
there. Um you know, and even a date
night out there as well. So, I thought

2047
03:57:49,680 --> 03:57:56,640
it was an excellent event. Um I think
the entertainment was better this year

2048
03:57:53,920 --> 03:58:00,800
as well and uh that truly helped to step
it up. Um I sat many times underneath

2049
03:57:59,199 --> 03:58:06,000
that shade structure. So, I can tell you
that that was a very added very much an

2050
03:58:03,120 --> 03:58:09,199
added benefit. And in fact, uh, the two
nights I sat underneath the shaded

2051
03:58:07,600 --> 03:58:13,920
structure, I met people from other
cities, um, who were there, who were

2052
03:58:11,520 --> 03:58:18,000
coming to our event. And I think that
not only is this a community event for

2053
03:58:15,760 --> 03:58:22,720
us, but it also showcases our community
to other communities. Um, and I truly

2054
03:58:20,720 --> 03:58:31,040
appreciate all of the work that has gone
into that. Um, on another note, I like

2055
03:58:26,880 --> 03:58:37,520
beer and I like uh the opportunity uh to
partake. Um, and so I appreciate the

2056
03:58:34,640 --> 03:58:44,319
addition of the beer garden as well. I
think that it provides um an area

2057
03:58:40,319 --> 03:58:49,040
outside for um our community to be able
to listen to the entertainment and enjoy

2058
03:58:46,479 --> 03:58:53,279
it uh in a safe manner. Um and I
appreciate all the work that went in for

2059
03:58:50,479 --> 03:58:57,680
that night to try it out. Um I also like
an October Fest and so I think that that

2060
03:58:55,840 --> 03:59:02,960
is a great addition and a wonderful
theme uh to bring to the town. In fact,

2061
03:59:01,199 --> 03:59:06,560
uh I had this vision for State of the
City. I didn't really voice it to a lot

2062
03:59:04,640 --> 03:59:10,239
of people. Um but I thought that I could
string lights, you know, down a street

2063
03:59:08,239 --> 03:59:14,239
one day and have picnic tables line it
and it would be like a coronation for

2064
03:59:11,920 --> 03:59:20,160
me. Um but who knows, maybe we could do
that at an October Fest [laughter] in

2065
03:59:16,960 --> 03:59:25,040
the beer garden downtown. Um but great
work on this. I really um like the

2066
03:59:22,399 --> 03:59:29,680
addition. I have heard consistently that
vendors would like more options

2067
03:59:27,199 --> 03:59:35,359
throughout the year. Um, and I also have
visited uh numerous businesses downtown

2068
03:59:32,640 --> 03:59:41,359
who have said that Bowont Nights is what
gets them through the summer when um it

2069
03:59:38,960 --> 03:59:46,000
is slower for them. And so I think that
being that partner with our community

2070
03:59:43,680 --> 03:59:50,560
businesses is absolutely vital to their
success as well. Um, and I really thank

2071
03:59:48,640 --> 03:59:55,520
the team for you guys being such great
partners with the businesses downtown

2072
03:59:52,640 --> 04:00:00,239
because they can feel it. So great job.
All right, Council Member White.

2073
03:59:58,399 --> 04:00:03,600
Um,
there was no way I was going to pass on

2074
04:00:02,000 --> 04:00:06,640
this one to have the discussion. So,
sorry there Doug. Um,

2075
04:00:05,359 --> 04:00:11,680
» happy to have it.
>> Um,

2076
04:00:08,479 --> 04:00:16,640
it's amazing you guys have raised the
bar significantly each year. Um, it's

2077
04:00:14,800 --> 04:00:20,960
going to be hard to continue to do that,
but I know you will. Um, and I'm I'm not

2078
04:00:19,439 --> 04:00:25,359
texting other people. This is how I
write notes since I don't have a pen up

2079
04:00:22,640 --> 04:00:32,479
here, but um,
uh, what happens? We had last year the

2080
04:00:29,439 --> 04:00:35,680
very first event was I think in March or
was it even April?

2081
04:00:33,840 --> 04:00:38,640
» April. It was very April
>> rainy and it rained on us cold.

2082
04:00:37,760 --> 04:00:44,720
» It was
>> and what happens if we do a special

2083
04:00:41,439 --> 04:00:49,520
event earlier in the year and it just
bombs because of the weather.

2084
04:00:46,239 --> 04:00:53,279
» Yeah. And it is a I mean weather as
awesome as our staff is you know

2085
04:00:51,680 --> 04:00:59,439
controlling weather is still a challenge
for us and we have to operate within the

2086
04:00:56,239 --> 04:01:06,960
confines of weather. We get it. Um you
know we do have some because we do a lot

2087
04:01:02,399 --> 04:01:09,760
of events and so when um rain p you know
for specifics you know we have

2088
04:01:08,399 --> 04:01:13,920
thresholds where it's got to be a
certain percentage of rain guaranteed

2089
04:01:11,840 --> 04:01:17,840
during the event uh in order for us to
cancel it. So, we try to do things rain

2090
04:01:15,520 --> 04:01:22,319
or shine or in different in different
weathers. Um, we are counting on the,

2091
04:01:20,880 --> 04:01:25,840
you know, it will be a little bit of a
challenge. I think that because we'll be

2092
04:01:23,600 --> 04:01:28,720
out there when it's not just 102 and so
we'll probably deal with a little bit

2093
04:01:27,279 --> 04:01:32,479
cooler weather, we could deal with a
little bit of rain or different things.

2094
04:01:30,399 --> 04:01:37,040
We have some parameters that would be be
set um and if we had to cancel it when

2095
04:01:34,800 --> 04:01:41,600
most of our vendors know that um we're
collecting a fee uh where we would we

2096
04:01:39,760 --> 04:01:44,560
usually give back 50% of that fee if the
vendor comes to all those events. So

2097
04:01:42,960 --> 04:01:48,960
obviously if if we initiated that
cancellation, we wouldn't we wouldn't do

2098
04:01:46,960 --> 04:01:53,359
that. If we still had the event and it
was like marginal weather uh or not the

2099
04:01:51,439 --> 04:01:56,399
best weather, um we would still
encourage that vendor to be out there um

2100
04:01:54,960 --> 04:02:01,359
because they paid that fee and they want
to get that part of that fee back.

2101
04:01:58,479 --> 04:02:07,199
» Um the shade structure this this year
was was amazing.

2102
04:02:03,279 --> 04:02:10,160
» Um if we did if we consider I think we
need to do the beer garden. She's

2103
04:02:08,640 --> 04:02:12,640
actually made four references to
drinking tonight.

2104
04:02:11,997 --> 04:02:15,600
» [laughter]
>> Not who's counting

2105
04:02:13,600 --> 04:02:21,680
» not counting the
>> crown long item. It was a long item.

2106
04:02:18,560 --> 04:02:25,520
» Um I think a second straight shade
structure. I don't know how much you

2107
04:02:23,120 --> 04:02:28,319
know how much those cost. Um it's
something we're renting. Correct.

2108
04:02:27,199 --> 04:02:32,800
» Yes, sir. Yes.
>> Yeah. So I you know maybe another one

2109
04:02:30,319 --> 04:02:36,560
because the first the first couple
nights when it was really hot there was

2110
04:02:35,040 --> 04:02:40,800
there wasn't a whole lot of room under
there. Um

2111
04:02:37,439 --> 04:02:45,439
» Yeah. And um
I think the farmers market is is a great

2112
04:02:43,279 --> 04:02:48,880
idea. I think people have been asking us
for that forever and and if you can put

2113
04:02:47,439 --> 04:02:54,319
it together. I think in the past when
we've brought it up it's the response

2114
04:02:51,279 --> 04:02:58,000
has been that it's not easy to do. But I
guess there's companies that will put

2115
04:02:56,560 --> 04:03:00,960
those together for you. Yeah, we're
reaching out and trying to build some

2116
04:02:59,680 --> 04:03:04,720
relationships and there's some
successful ones in the area and we're

2117
04:03:02,640 --> 04:03:07,439
trying to build those relationships and
figure out how they're doing it and see

2118
04:03:06,160 --> 04:03:12,160
if we can get them to come out on some
of our specific dates.

2119
04:03:08,800 --> 04:03:15,439
» Okay. And two suggestions
even [clears throat] on the really I

2120
04:03:13,359 --> 04:03:19,600
missed one night
>> and it was ACTC and I couldn't believe I

2121
04:03:17,600 --> 04:03:23,640
I missed that one night but I had I had
something else to go to. Um,

2122
04:03:23,680 --> 04:03:30,080
what about on the hot nights going
later? Because even on the very hot

2123
04:03:28,319 --> 04:03:33,040
night, the one of the last ones was
really hot. People started showing up at

2124
04:03:31,840 --> 04:03:34,640
7:00 or 7:30.
>> Mhm.

2125
04:03:33,439 --> 04:03:39,920
» You know, [clears throat] I got we got
there, we came late and when we came

2126
04:03:37,199 --> 04:03:43,920
there, it was sort of lower attendance
and then within an hour everyone came

2127
04:03:41,680 --> 04:03:45,439
out because it was the sun was down.
Yep.

2128
04:03:44,239 --> 04:03:50,160
» And it was cooler.
>> Yeah. And that was one of our successes

2129
04:03:47,439 --> 04:03:54,800
of this year. I think in 25, 2025, and
2024, we started at 5:00 p.m. And then

2130
04:03:53,199 --> 04:03:58,560
after two years doing that, we realized
it is just it's really, really hot on

2131
04:03:56,560 --> 04:04:03,040
some days at 5:00 p.m. And so bumping it
to 6 helped us do that. And then we

2132
04:04:01,439 --> 04:04:07,680
extended it a little bit longer till
9:30. We were originally ending at 9:00

2133
04:04:05,680 --> 04:04:12,399
and then we kind of left it open till
till 9:30. Uh, but you're right. I think

2134
04:04:09,840 --> 04:04:16,399
the the later the once the sun starts
getting behind those trees and heading

2135
04:04:14,640 --> 04:04:18,960
down uh it it definitely makes a big
difference. People more people come out.

2136
04:04:17,600 --> 04:04:21,439
So we can look at that and see if that's
an option for us.

2137
04:04:19,920 --> 04:04:25,600
» Yeah. And and a lot of the people
especially if you do have a beer garden,

2138
04:04:23,359 --> 04:04:28,479
a lot of people are still hanging around
after 9:30, you know, [clears throat]

2139
04:04:26,960 --> 04:04:32,000
watching you you guys take the whole
thing down and that that's something fun

2140
04:04:30,080 --> 04:04:36,880
to watch. Um, and then one last
suggestion. When when we first started

2141
04:04:34,239 --> 04:04:43,760
discussing Bulmont Nights, we still
hadn't really decided what downtown was.

2142
04:04:40,880 --> 04:04:48,720
And I think with all the investments
we've made on Grace Street, trying one

2143
04:04:46,160 --> 04:04:53,760
Belmont night there might be just just
worth trying. I know you're right by the

2144
04:04:50,479 --> 04:04:58,080
freeway. Um, I know all of that, but
it's set up for for bringing in vendors.

2145
04:04:56,160 --> 04:05:00,720
there's a lot of, you know, the parking
you don't really

2146
04:04:59,120 --> 04:05:05,760
» want to you you could use that parking
for more vendors and more activities,

2147
04:05:02,319 --> 04:05:10,399
but um just just think about it. Um I
thought that was an idea and that's all

2148
04:05:07,840 --> 04:05:13,199
I had. But good job and I really
appreciate the fact that every year

2149
04:05:11,920 --> 04:05:17,760
you're trying to make it better and
you're doing it. So thank you.

2150
04:05:16,080 --> 04:05:21,520
» Yes. And I echo the sentiment on the
farmers market. I forgot to mention

2151
04:05:19,199 --> 04:05:25,680
that. Uh Council Member Martinez.
>> Yes. So thank you, Mayor. So, when I

2152
04:05:23,600 --> 04:05:29,840
first saw that we were uh increasing
days, my first thing is, "Oh my gosh,

2153
04:05:27,840 --> 04:05:34,239
we're going to burn the staff out."
>> But you made it so clear that the

2154
04:05:32,080 --> 04:05:39,600
efficiencies improved, that we're
spreading it out, and you know, they've

2155
04:05:37,279 --> 04:05:43,600
they got the routine now, and best of
all, they're motivated. They want to do

2156
04:05:41,199 --> 04:05:47,680
it. And thank you for clarifying that um
with me when we talked um because it

2157
04:05:45,840 --> 04:05:50,800
makes me confident that we're not
putting too much, you know, they're

2158
04:05:49,279 --> 04:05:54,699
they're handling it. and I'm sure they
would speak up and said, "Hey boss,

2159
04:05:52,239 --> 04:05:57,840
we're probably stretching it." So,
[laughter] I encourage them to do that.

2160
04:05:56,160 --> 04:06:02,640
But, you know, we really have been
upping the bar. Um, I'm supportive of

2161
04:06:00,640 --> 04:06:05,840
the beer garden. I think it's necessary
because it has that and, you know, I

2162
04:06:04,479 --> 04:06:11,600
wouldn't want to disappoint the mayor,
but it brings that element, you know, in

2163
04:06:09,760 --> 04:06:16,880
uh for those extra. And I think it was
well done and and I compliment the

2164
04:06:14,399 --> 04:06:20,800
public safety presence. Uh, I sense a
clear message that we're familyfriendly.

2165
04:06:19,120 --> 04:06:26,640
people felt comfortable because they
were there and you know and it just it

2166
04:06:23,680 --> 04:06:30,479
just had that overall fun feeling. So,
um you know I'm supportive of everything

2167
04:06:28,319 --> 04:06:34,160
you're doing and I appreciate you
thinking how you know adjust here and

2168
04:06:32,160 --> 04:06:37,920
there and so forth. And like I said, it
just keeps getting improving and things

2169
04:06:36,000 --> 04:06:41,680
that didn't work, we'll we'll adjust
that and maybe that time didn't work or

2170
04:06:39,840 --> 04:06:46,160
so forth. Another shade structure would
definitely be nice if it's possible. I

2171
04:06:43,439 --> 04:06:51,120
know they're expensive. Um, but I just
and I like the data, the ability to go

2172
04:06:48,720 --> 04:06:55,520
back and and quantify things. Um, so
we're just not guessing. So that helps

2173
04:06:53,120 --> 04:06:58,560
us subst, you know, um, uh, with the
decisions for, you know, money that we

2174
04:06:57,040 --> 04:07:02,399
give into it that it's, you know,
substantiated. So I appreciate that. So

2175
04:07:00,880 --> 04:07:06,560
I think everything's going in the right
direction. I'm fully supportive. Um, you

2176
04:07:05,040 --> 04:07:10,640
know, just come back when you think we
need to adjust things here and there as

2177
04:07:08,640 --> 04:07:14,239
you usually do, but um, I think we're on
the right track. So, I appreciate it and

2178
04:07:12,319 --> 04:07:19,040
thank you staff for all their hard work
and everyone because it just takes this

2179
04:07:16,399 --> 04:07:22,880
whole village to do to make those work
every time. Not just one time, but every

2180
04:07:21,439 --> 04:07:25,279
time. So, thank you.
>> Thank you.

2181
04:07:23,359 --> 04:07:28,880
» All right, Council Member Fen.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh Doug and your

2182
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:31,840
staff, thank you so much for the good
work that you guys have been doing. I

2183
04:07:30,160 --> 04:07:35,040
appreciate that. And I'm excited about
the farmers market.

2184
04:07:33,520 --> 04:07:38,960
» First year that we did it and I was
mayor that year and was there nearly

2185
04:07:37,359 --> 04:07:41,920
every night and that was something I
heard multiple times every night. Hey,

2186
04:07:40,640 --> 04:07:45,279
can we get a farmers market? So,
appreciate the effort towards that and

2187
04:07:43,840 --> 04:07:51,120
look forward to hopefully that works
out. Um, two questions for you. Um, one,

2188
04:07:48,640 --> 04:07:54,960
the Veterans Day, would you would staff
be planning on maybe blocking out a

2189
04:07:52,960 --> 04:07:58,560
certain number of spaces for veteran
services or something like that? Is that

2190
04:07:56,800 --> 04:08:02,800
kind of the vision for it?
>> Yeah. and and council member Fen, you

2191
04:08:01,040 --> 04:08:08,080
know, with our relationship with the Vet
Expo, uh we have just a really great

2192
04:08:06,160 --> 04:08:13,760
connection with different vet groups
that um are wanting to either provide

2193
04:08:11,120 --> 04:08:19,040
information or um help provide services.
And so that would be our one of the

2194
04:08:16,720 --> 04:08:22,880
goals uh is is is reserve some of those
spaces for them or or maybe a little

2195
04:08:20,560 --> 04:08:27,199
area uh for them, but then also
incorporate some some fun recognition

2196
04:08:25,520 --> 04:08:31,439
maybe before or after the concerts and
and get some folks on stage and uh maybe

2197
04:08:29,359 --> 04:08:35,279
get some of our electeds from from
outside of even Bowmont to give some

2198
04:08:33,520 --> 04:08:39,120
certificates and just really acknowledge
some some great people in our community.

2199
04:08:36,720 --> 04:08:43,840
So uh tie that in. We'll still have a
parade that day as well. Uh and so we'll

2200
04:08:42,000 --> 04:08:47,120
coordinate all those things together and
just make it a real fun day uh where we

2201
04:08:46,000 --> 04:08:51,040
honor our veterans.
>> Very good. Would it make sense to try to

2202
04:08:48,960 --> 04:08:55,199
do the parade in the afternoon then?
>> We're working on some of those

2203
04:08:52,560 --> 04:08:57,120
logistics. So Okay. Yes. So we've we
we've

2204
04:08:55,760 --> 04:08:59,680
» that's a challenge we do is we during
the week that it's hard to get folks out

2205
04:08:58,560 --> 04:09:04,160
in the morning sometimes.
>> Yeah. So, that's one of the things we're

2206
04:09:01,840 --> 04:09:07,199
considering. And we've we've in the past
with Blizzard Bash, when we do the

2207
04:09:05,760 --> 04:09:10,720
Blizzard Bash and we also do the the
Christmas light parade, uh, we've

2208
04:09:08,880 --> 04:09:14,160
changed that route to be able to have
Bowmont Nights up and running, but also

2209
04:09:12,640 --> 04:09:19,760
allow for a parade route to kind of come
in and around the, uh, the event area.

2210
04:09:18,080 --> 04:09:23,920
And so, yeah, that's one of the things
that we would consider doing as well.

2211
04:09:21,520 --> 04:09:27,359
» Okay. Very good. And then, um, if I
understood you correctly, you had more

2212
04:09:25,439 --> 04:09:28,880
vendors than you had spaces. Is that
right?

2213
04:09:27,680 --> 04:09:32,239
» Yeah, we have a really large waiting
list. There's a lot of people that

2214
04:09:29,840 --> 04:09:36,239
really want to be in Bowmont for
>> Do we have a priority like pecking order

2215
04:09:34,319 --> 04:09:39,520
like, "Hey, Bowmont business gets first
dibs." That kind of thing.

2216
04:09:37,600 --> 04:09:43,680
» Yeah. If you're in the downtown, if
you're a Bowmont business, if you're

2217
04:09:41,359 --> 04:09:47,520
local, you get first dibs on things. And
then once we have that all settled, we

2218
04:09:45,439 --> 04:09:49,520
start moving uh down that list, but we
do have a priority for everyone that

2219
04:09:49,040 --> 04:09:53,800
comes in.
>> All right. Very good. Thank you. Thank

2220
04:09:50,640 --> 04:09:53,800
you, Mayor.

2221
04:09:54,080 --> 04:10:02,880
» All right. Well, that leaves us to a
motion for tonight. So, I will move to

2222
04:10:00,239 --> 04:10:07,760
receive and file the 2026 Bowont Knights
season recap and direct staff to develop

2223
04:10:04,800 --> 04:10:12,319
the proposed 15 date 2027 program
calendar through the annual budget and

2224
04:10:10,000 --> 04:10:17,439
contracting process. As I'm doing this,
Mr. Laura, did you want to

2225
04:10:14,880 --> 04:10:23,520
» Okay, sorry. Um, and to approve alcohol
services within a designated beer garden

2226
04:10:19,279 --> 04:10:27,920
at 20 in 2020, excuse me, at 2027
Bowmont Nights event in the Town Center

2227
04:10:25,199 --> 04:10:30,880
area subject to applicable licensing and
responsible alcohol service

2228
04:10:29,439 --> 04:10:33,680
requirements.
>> I'll second.

2229
04:10:32,080 --> 04:10:35,279
» Can I get [snorts] a roll call, please?
>> Council member Laura,

2230
04:10:34,880 --> 04:10:36,800
» yes.
>> Council member Finn,

2231
04:10:36,399 --> 04:10:38,560
» yes.
>> Council member Martinez,

2232
04:10:38,160 --> 04:10:40,160
» yes.
>> Mayor Proim White,

2233
04:10:39,840 --> 04:10:43,920
» yes.
>> Mayor Voy,

2234
04:10:41,040 --> 04:10:49,840
» yes. All right. Thank you for that. And
that takes us I don't believe we have a

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ledge update today. City manager report.
>> Well, in light of me losing my bet

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against um Deputy City Clerk Willight on
what time this meeting will end, I'm

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going to give you a really a bridged
version of my report tonight. So, um I

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really the biggest thing is I want to
announce just remind everybody that

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we're going to have a ribbon cutting
tomorrow at the sports park uh at 400

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pm. It's a great opportunity to
recognize the completion of a $4.5

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million investment that brings
significant improvements and upgrades to

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the park and its athletic facilities and
um we'll have a number of fun activities

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for anybody who joins. So, we hope that
the public can make it and we're looking

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forward to it. And that's it.
>> Great. I will be there and hopefully the

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rest of us can join as well. All right.
Any future agenda items?

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Council member Martinez.
>> No.

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» Okay. All right. That takes us to our
council reports. We'll start with

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council member Finn.
>> Well, yes, Mayor. Thank you. Um question

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for Stephen out there. He mentioned when
I asked about the ebikes, he said there

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was um state that we'd have an update.
Did I

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» Did I It was next meeting. Okay. All
right. Just making sure I heard that

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correctly. Okay.
>> All right. Very good. All right.

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» I just heard later and I wasn't sure
what the later was. So, thanks for the

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clarification. Um on the 27th of um of
August, I attended RTA's um general

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meeting. And after that meeting, we had
a ribbon cutting um for a new hydrogen

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bus um that was delivered and a ribbon
cutting for the new hydrogen fueling

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station that's there at their facility
on Third Street in Riverside. So, we're

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all excited about that. Um trying to
meet the mandates from the state in

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terms of zero or very low emissions. And
we think the the hydrogen wave for now

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is the the best way to make that happen.
So, uh, that's my report for the

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evening.
>> All right, Council Member Martinez.

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04:12:38,560 --> 04:12:44,880
» Thank you, Mayor. I attended the
libraryies, uh, books and bruise,

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» and, uh, it was, uh, well attended. It
was well attended, and it's really nice

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to see how the new annex fits, um, in
the whole scheme of things being my mind

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04:12:52,800 --> 04:12:57,840
couldn't get around it because I was
still thinking Carnegie side. And, you

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know, they explained to me and it
several times what the difference was.

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04:13:00,800 --> 04:13:07,439
They built a false wall between the two.
So, my brain's looking for the old and

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04:13:05,199 --> 04:13:11,279
it's not there and I know now it's
behind the other side being part of

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phase two. So, it's really nice to see.
I think the community should be really

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appreciative of the modernization going
on and I'm proud to have it in the city

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04:13:17,760 --> 04:13:24,000
because it really gives that feeling of,
you know, we are really building up here

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and and moving things. So, I just want
to give kudos to Lauren and and all the

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04:13:26,960 --> 04:13:33,760
trustees at the library and all library
and all of the uh volunteers because it

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takes a lot to get the library going and
there are a lot of volunteers, friends

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04:13:35,600 --> 04:13:41,199
of the library and so forth and and
kudos to all of them.

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» Great.
Mayor Pro Tim.

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04:13:46,560 --> 04:13:54,399
» Okay, Council Member Laura.
>> Okay. Um

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they moved the WRCOG meeting to the
14th, Monday the 14th because of the

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04:13:56,239 --> 04:14:04,319
holiday coming up. Um I did attend the
senior citizen day at Chhattney Center

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04:14:01,120 --> 04:14:09,680
was uh well attended at least that I can
remember you know. So um and I did they

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04:14:08,080 --> 04:14:15,279
did allow me to call a bingo game which
was great. Um, and then just just

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04:14:12,239 --> 04:14:20,159
lastly, the staff here, you know, with
the Bulmont Knights and all the stuff

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04:14:17,359 --> 04:14:24,080
that it takes to prepare uh the the
ideas that they have for the different

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04:14:21,520 --> 04:14:28,479
events for seniors and youth and it's
just they do it with a great attitude

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04:14:26,560 --> 04:14:31,600
just like council member Martinez
referenced and it's just very proud to

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04:14:30,239 --> 04:14:33,920
be a part of that. So, I just wanted to
reference that and that's all I have,

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mayor.
>> All right. Thank you, Mayor Prom.

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04:14:36,960 --> 04:14:43,120
» I have nothing to report.
>> Oh, look at that.

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04:14:40,319 --> 04:14:47,439
Uh I attended uh the mayor breakfast. We
were able to get it off the ground for

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04:14:45,520 --> 04:14:52,159
um Calama and Banning. It was great to
see our colleagues. Um a lot going on in

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04:14:50,479 --> 04:14:57,279
those areas as well, but always good to
collaborate with them. And then today I

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04:14:54,159 --> 04:15:02,080
had the absolute honor to attend um our
Banning and Bulmont Unified School

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04:14:59,120 --> 04:15:08,960
District student of the month. Um these
four students that they um awarded today

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04:15:06,319 --> 04:15:14,159
had every single one of us crying in the
room today. The dads were so proud um

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04:15:12,000 --> 04:15:17,279
and it was just a great great experience
to start off the day and I am so

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04:15:15,680 --> 04:15:21,520
thankful that we participated in that as
well. So it was truly a wonderful day.

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All right so with that we will adjourn
to our next meeting at 9:07.