1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,160 Call this meeting to order. At 9:00. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:12,840 FOIA appeal for Mr. Dwyer. Join me with the Pledge of Allegiance. 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:21,760 I pledge allegiance >> I pledge allegiance to the United States 4 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:28,000 of America. And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,520 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 6 00:00:32,599 --> 00:00:36,880 Madam Clerk, would you please take roll call? 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,600 » Supervisor Johnson. >> Present. 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,480 » Supervisor Crocco, here. Treasurer Davis. 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,080 » Here. >> Trustee McKay. 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,400 » Here. >> Trustee Monkey is excused. Trustee 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,240 Blanchard is excused. Trustee Hoskins. >> Here. 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:53,520 » Five present, we have a quorum. >> Good. 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:58,760 Okay. The forwards we have FOIA appeal of 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:03,880 William Dwyer. Appeal FOIA request received on June 22nd, 2026. 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,200 So, I'm now going to turn over to our attorney to 16 00:01:05,199 --> 00:01:10,880 to uh take it from here and 17 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:14,760 and I'll explain the appeal. >> Okay, so thank you, Randy. So, 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:19,760 as you said, we're here for Mr. Dwyer's FOIA appeal. And on June 22nd, he did 19 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:23,880 FOIA uh an email for a FOIA request requesting uh the copies of the 20 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:28,360 completed unabridged fifth down pilot logs, transition history, and metadata 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:32,560 generated by BS&A software database pertaining to the property located 4300 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:37,160 Halstead Road in Willow Creek. Uh the request specifically covered uh the 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,160 entire historical record for this parcel from the date uh the township's BS&A 24 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:47,320 system was first implemented to present day. Uh so, there was um 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:51,040 we did grant the uh the the request to the extent that the 26 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:55,720 records did do exist. We do know that there's a BS&A system BS&A system that 27 00:01:53,280 --> 00:02:03,800 allows uh for us to research uh some some of these uh these requests. Uh 28 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:07,160 So then on did Mr. Ryder did submit a FOIA appeal 29 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:12,240 and that was received by the Township on August 11th at its regular meeting. And 30 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,520 the appeal is Mr. Ryder requesting following relief a public body cannot 31 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,360 capably perform its function when basic statutory deadlines are routinely 32 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,280 ignored because the Township failed to comply with mandatory time frames 33 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,720 established under the statute and legal authority. 34 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:30,400 And because he's been forced to contact the Township's over administrative 35 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:34,840 lapses he's collecting the problem. Uh he's requesting that the clerk's office 36 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:40,120 to produce the actual BS&A change logs/audit trails for personal number 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,120 04-014-031-00 38 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,280 and the permanent and waiver of all processing fees as well associated with 39 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:51,440 this request. And there weren't any fees associated with this request before um 40 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:55,000 my understanding. So the findings for this 41 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:58,160 just a just some background oh regarding 42 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:04,120 what the Township did to to look for these records. Uh they the Township does 43 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:09,239 have the BS&A software program and that I I recall I believe it was a Friday 44 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,160 myself, Joyce, and Kristy I think it was most of that afternoon 45 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:16,640 we're going through and trying to trying to to figure out how to pull these 46 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:19,920 records. We we did contact BS&A their help desk and they they did 47 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,560 help us walk through that process. 48 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,400 I think they had someone specifically that was working with us. It was 49 00:03:25,239 --> 00:03:31,239 complicated from what I recall. Uh we were able to pull uh 50 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:35,360 uh several I think I think a bunch of records. There was a couple years that 51 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:39,040 BS&A didn't have any records for and you know because of that we weren't 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:44,040 able to produce those records but the records that we did have we did 53 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:48,640 produce them. So once you know the Township does have a ongoing duty to 54 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:52,560 disclose which means that if new records come up along the way that we discover 55 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,680 we still have to turn those over. Okay? Now, 56 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:00,040 with that um the assessor is most familiar with BS&A 57 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,320 because they just work with it a lot more than the offices of the clerk and 58 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,880 treasurer and or myself, I've never really worked with BS&A before. So, we 59 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:11,400 just followed up with the assessor to see is there any more additional records 60 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:15,640 that she could find that maybe we we couldn't find during 61 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,640 during our research. And and I think just for the time frame, I think it was 62 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:22,520 about 4 hours that we all were working with BS&A to try to to pull 63 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,040 all the records for the first go. Um do you know if you had an opportunity to 64 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,760 see if there was any records more records? 65 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:33,480 » So, it was in the administrative BS&A system I was able to pull an audit log 66 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:39,760 for each individual year, but my audit log only shows changes such as address 67 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:43,560 changes and stuff. Administrative changes. 68 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:48,120 I did call it. I did print it. I believe they gave each year to you also. 69 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,000 That was the only other thing I was able to find. 70 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,160 » So, were all those records disclosed to you 71 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,600 by her? >> I think 72 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,080 they they gave them to him. >> Yeah, he's got them. 73 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:02,520 » Okay. >> I I mean beyond that, I'm not aware of 74 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,160 any additional records that exist. 75 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:10,000 You know, like I said, we did a a search with BS&A for about 4 hours and then to 76 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,080 to make sure we didn't miss anything else. 77 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,560 The the assessor she just went through what she did. 78 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,040 There were some additional records that were found, which is which is fine and 79 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,560 we're not going to really go into any of this most of today. 80 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Um Mr. Dwyer did we speak with you today? Um 81 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:29,320 Mr. Dwyer, we also during this process too would also like you to 82 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:33,520 if you have anything additional you'd like to tell the board, uh go ahead and 83 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:39,040 have your chance. Okay. >> All right. First of all, I asked for the 84 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:42,360 the records in in the digital format. And um 85 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:49,880 uh I filed a previous FOIA request for the 86 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:53,880 audit log on a building permit. And 87 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:57,840 I received that in digital format. Here it is in spreadsheet. 88 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:02,000 And I don't understand why I haven't 89 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:05,080 received what I asked for in digital format. I've got a stack of 90 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,440 paper here. >> Okay, so if you receive that today, we 91 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:12,480 can scan this and then send it to him. That if he prefers a digital copy, 92 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,000 that's something we can do. >> Okay. 93 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,840 » Maybe even as soon as after the meeting. >> Okay, if that's possible. 94 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:21,240 » I can do it as soon as I can for you. >> So that would be fine. 95 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,040 » And the initial response was 3 days late. 96 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:27,560 » And because of that, there was no cost. There was a miscommunication of when the 97 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,440 records went out and we discussed that. There was no cost associated with it. 98 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:35,040 » I'm sorry. >> There was no cost associated with it. 99 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,720 » We were 3 days late. >> Yeah, there was a miscommunication of 100 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,000 when and who sent the records. And we I believe we addressed that. 101 00:06:41,919 --> 00:06:45,919 Yeah, we addressed that previously. There was There was no cost associated 102 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,440 with it. We're We're processing it for you. 103 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:58,520 » And that initial response gave me everything except what I was asking for 104 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:03,520 from from BS&A software. I gave You gave me the the 105 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,880 records that are publicly visible, not the audit log. 106 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:11,080 » As far as I know, we gave everything we had. That's If the record doesn't exist, 107 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,840 it it doesn't exist or we don't create something, but as far as I know, we gave 108 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,160 everything that that we had. 109 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:21,760 » I think they're for 4 hours. It was actually between 4 and 6. And it was 110 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Cody Joyce and I, and I believe there was two other attorneys involved and 111 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,120 BS&A. >> And Michelle was on the phone. 112 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:31,440 » Yeah, and I did have Michelle on the phone and I couldn't I dug up everything 113 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:35,880 that I could find. And that's all that I could find. Um 114 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,840 and I don't think BS&A actually even knew what we were asking for is what I 115 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,080 felt like. >> Right. 116 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,360 » So I I did try to pull everything I could. 117 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:49,000 » You know, at this point we can only produce the records we have and that's 118 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,360 that's what we have. Uh so, 119 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:56,080 like I said, it's not really I mean there was a thorough search. I at least 120 00:07:54,440 --> 00:08:00,600 4 hours with two attorneys, several uh um 121 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:04,600 yeah, township officials and I think part of that and Shell was on on the 122 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:09,520 phone to part of that process, too. Uh so, in addition to what happened that 123 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:12,800 day, um she also was able to pull a few uh files and pull a couple more uh logs 124 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,320 that we have here which have been uh scanned from Mr. Dwyer and we 125 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,960 So, I don't have anything additional to add. That's the summary of what happened 126 00:08:22,919 --> 00:08:27,040 with um we talked to Mr. Dwyer. 127 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,240 So, Mr. Dwyer doesn't have anything additional. Uh no, I don't want to cut 128 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,240 you off. Do you have anything additional about your political field we found for? 129 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:39,440 Okay. Uh so, with this type of uh 130 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,560 anytime there's an appeal, there's a few different uh 131 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:47,680 motions that could could be uh adopted by the board. I I gave you the 132 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:52,000 proposed motions. Uh you could deny the appeal because no other records exist. 133 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:56,800 Uh you could grant the appeal because on additional research uh by the assessor, 134 00:08:54,320 --> 00:09:01,800 additional uh records uh were located. Uh and in this case, they 135 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:06,480 were located. We have to get them to a a digital copy uh which he's going to get 136 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,200 in you know, in probably the next hour. Uh so, 137 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,960 and in the second request is a full permanent waiver of costs, but there 138 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,240 there was no motion associated with it, so there's no motion associated with 139 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:21,760 that. I I think then So, as far as the motion 140 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:24,680 goes, yeah, I think we're going to grant the 141 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:28,640 appeal because there was additional research and there were additional 142 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:32,960 records that were located and I think in there you could qualify that uh 143 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:38,880 that they were going to they will be produced to Mr. Dwyer today uh via 144 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,880 email. 145 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,760 So, I'm happy to answer any additional questions. 146 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:57,280 » I have a few. Um, 147 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:02,320 the 3-day late miscommunication, I guess we don't need to go over what that was, 148 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:05,680 but sometimes that seems to be continuing. 149 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:09,680 What can we do to move this forward so we're not having these delays? 150 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:13,640 » No, it's a good question, Karen. So, there's for example, we did receive a 151 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:17,200 couple of, uh, FOIA requests since. So, the 10-day extension, uh, went out for 152 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:21,680 one of them yesterday. I confirmed Mr. Dwyer received it on before the meeting. 153 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Uh, the second one, uh, is going to go out today. We also need a 154 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:29,680 10-day extension for that. And it's, you know, for FOIA requests, uh, 155 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:33,760 on our end, it's maintaining contact now with with with 156 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:39,120 Joyce and Kristy with a copy to if, you know, to Randy. And then, uh, also with 157 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:43,400 with records that go out. Like for last night's, for example, uh, 158 00:10:40,839 --> 00:10:45,680 I was copying the whole board on it. Uh, it's typically that, I mean, that's not 159 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:48,080 required FOIA, but I think that's probably just the best case. 160 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:52,800 » Yeah, we appreciate that. >> Yeah. We can handle that. 161 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:57,560 » My other question is this audit that we just got here. And so did Mr. Dwyer. 162 00:10:55,680 --> 00:11:00,680 Um, and this was printed out the 18th. Moving forward, 163 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,839 I'm not sure who printed this out or who had it, but it would be really nice to 164 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,760 get these earlier. So, we have a chance to look at it 165 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:10,839 before the meeting. Cuz this was printed the 18th, so that's a week. It We don't 166 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,400 have a chance to look at this. Mr. Dwyer did not have a chance to look at this. 167 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:18,960 To me, that's not fair. >> Okay. So, in the future, if there's, uh, 168 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:21,360 additional records, then let's let's get those out 169 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,800 » The day they're printed. They should be flying out to everybody. 170 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,200 That's it. Thank you. Oh, one other 171 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,360 » Sure, sure. >> our Zoom 172 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:44,720 that just went on the website and our Facebook. We have to do better on that, 173 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,720 too. 174 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,160 Because that's how the public can keep an eye on what's going on here as well 175 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:55,720 as us. The Zoom should have went out on the 176 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,520 website, on Facebook. It's not It just went on 177 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,720 at least 5 minutes before our meeting. So, I've already have people sending me 178 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:06,160 messages that wanted to watch this that are asking me where that Zoom is. It 179 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:09,560 should go should have been on Friday, Thursday. 180 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:14,440 So, the public has a chance to be there as well. I'm done now, thank you. 181 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,320 » I have a question. >> Sure. 182 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:22,360 » for Dwyer. Um, under the transaction history, what is it 183 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:27,320 that you're looking for specifically? >> I just want 184 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:31,240 audit logs that show timestamps, usernames, and what was changed. 185 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,839 » Okay. >> On everything. 186 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:41,000 » Okay, I don't know that I can find that. I can pull up 187 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:45,520 the one that I did myself when I cashed that check, but that's the 188 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:49,640 only part that I can get into. Michelle's system and my system is 189 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:54,960 completely different and a lot of her stuff I'm not allowed into, but I can at 190 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,400 least pull up what I processed for you and when I processed it. 191 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,640 » Okay. >> And it's going to be the only one that I 192 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:05,400 can do and I can also send it over to you. Is that Michelle? Is that something 193 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,480 you can do, the audit log? I I'm new to I don't know. 194 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,800 » I just wanted that I did provide that I that I did not I wasn't sure what was 195 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,760 what it was why I didn't pass it on until I confirmed this morning that you 196 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,360 were going to pass it on. >> Okay. 197 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:21,160 » Um, that is just administrative. That basically will show to you if you just 198 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:24,800 took a parcel like address changes or if there was a permit pulled that that was 199 00:13:22,839 --> 00:13:29,280 put into my system. They we link together and that 200 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,560 Yeah, different changes to the actual administrative database. 201 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,680 » Okay. >> You want my audit log to show? 202 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,400 It doesn't show any payments or anything like that. 203 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,520 » Okay. So, between both of you, you can >> Yeah, I can only pull up the one. 204 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,720 » Got you. >> But the one that I did, I can pull up. 205 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:48,760 But I mean, I can try to dig deeper, but I 206 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,960 can only go so far. I'm only allowed to go so far in the system. 207 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:56,240 » Yeah. So, between both of you, like I said, they can probably 208 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,080 get better or both of you printing something out and comparing it? I don't 209 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:03,920 know. >> I have a question. It's a 210 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:08,360 It's a Microsoft SQL database. Why is it not linked? 211 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:12,520 » Well, they're linked, just I don't have access to or they do anything in the 212 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:16,720 treasury system or pull any reports. I only have access to my 213 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:21,320 administrative BSA database. They're two different 214 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:23,960 systems. They're linked, but um a building permit, per se, I can look 215 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,880 into that there is a building permit, but the specifics of it I have to 216 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,880 manually put in. That's 217 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,680 » Okay, that doesn't make any sense, but okay, whatever. I don't care. 218 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:38,960 » I don't disagree. >> Yeah. 219 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:42,480 » And I am the same. I can't change anything on your system. There are some 220 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,040 things I can see, but I can't change anything. 221 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,120 » Is that the normal stuff? >> I I've run this issue before. 222 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,440 » Okay. Okay. >> Yeah, and it is See, like the problem is 223 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:55,000 is like you're we're limited to the program that we use. So, a lot of times 224 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:58,800 when there are requests for this it's exactly what you're seeing now. 225 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:02,960 Like you pull the records and then that's the record we have and we 226 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:07,760 produce. And if there's something that additional records that exist somewhere 227 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:13,560 we don't have them. And that's why you see that nothing exists as far as on 228 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,440 that end, but that that's been a It's not the first time I've ever heard 229 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,360 that. >> Okay. 230 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,600 » So, that's um pretty normal for the job. Each job has their own program that they 231 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,920 deal with. >> Right. 232 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:27,200 » And Yeah, a lot of them you can do a read-only, 233 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:30,240 » Mhm. but not produce anything from. >> And I get that, but with Christie's 234 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,040 printout and Michelle's printout, it seems like we could do a comparison and 235 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,880 maybe make a spreadsheet on those comparisons on each of yours and yours. 236 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Does that make sense, or is that >> I don't know that I can dig that deep. I 237 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,880 might just be able to pull up the transaction that I did. 238 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,160 » Yep. >> So, anything else 239 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,120 I think it's only going to be the one transaction. 240 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,560 » Okay. >> The one that I processed. 241 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,400 » Yeah. >> It's what it is, so I don't know if 242 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,800 there'll be a comparison. >> Okay. 243 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:59,680 » My audit log won't show her transaction. >> Correct. 244 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,680 So, okay. 245 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:09,240 » For the record, you you know that you you processed the one in May on the 20th 246 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,720 on May 21st. >> Yes, that was the 247 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:17,840 » That was building permit. >> It was a building permit that he he 248 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:23,360 actually processes it in his system under building and zoning, 249 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:27,839 and so he enters the information in, and then he brings it over to my office, and 250 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,760 I cash receipt it, or actually you cash receipt it. 251 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:35,200 And then I'm the one that does the deposit to the bank on that. 252 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:43,080 So, that was the only part that I I deposited it. Pretty much is all I 253 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,080 did with it. 254 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,400 » Um this is what I got from that 255 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,640 from that uh that May 256 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,080 uh request. >> That was the one from the building 257 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,560 permit. >> I got the one from the building permit. 258 00:17:05,199 --> 00:17:10,920 So, I had even tried when we were talking about it last week recreating 259 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:15,560 that one, and every time I tried to run that same record, BS&A was giving me an 260 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:19,720 error, like memory something something. Uh so, I'm looking into that, but so I 261 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:22,800 on my side, like I know there's a couple of enforcement and stuff I was trying to 262 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:26,079 get the auto lot for, but it kept giving me that same error. 263 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:29,400 Um, but I'm working on that. I can okay, send all that over to you when I get it. 264 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,120 » Go ahead and pass it around the room to me. 265 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,120 » Okay, sure. 266 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:52,640 » So, what we need then is the motion to grant the appeal with an understanding 267 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,640 that any new info will be forwarded. 268 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:06,120 » I move to uh grant the appeal 269 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:11,960 with the understanding that any research has been located 270 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,960 and will be distributed on 271 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,240 » And that >> later today? 272 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:19,640 » with zero fee? >> With zero fee? 273 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,640 » fee. There was no fee. 274 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,120 » I'll second it. 275 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:33,560 » Moved and seconded. Is there any dis- more discussion on it? 276 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:39,440 » I just if you pull the original paperwork on that permit, you'll see 277 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,440 that the the dates are wrong. 278 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:46,920 » I don't know if I can pull Cody's um paperwork on that. 279 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,520 » I'm talking about my paperwork with my handwriting on it. 280 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:52,480 » Can I copy this? >> Yeah. I have 281 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:56,760 the same version. I can send it to you. >> Okay. 282 00:18:53,920 --> 00:19:00,720 » It's a PDF file. >> If you can forward that to all of us, 283 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,720 please. 284 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,760 » There's a motion on the floor to be voted on. 285 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,040 Any discussion can take roll call. >> Trustee Hoskins. 286 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,400 » Yes. >> Treasurer Davis. 287 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,160 » Yes. >> Clerk Barocco. Yes. 288 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,520 Trustee McAd. >> Yes. 289 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,720 » Supervisor Johnson. >> Yes. 290 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,720 » Five yes. Motion carried. 291 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:40,360 » Who did you want to speak? 292 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:44,280 » After public. If anybody need anybody on the board to talk after public. 293 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:48,360 » Okay, Mr. Blair, are you satisfied? 294 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Are you satisfied with your comments so far or you need more time? 295 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,920 » I guess. I mean, that's 296 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,880 that's if that's the best you can do, then 297 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:04,320 I guess that's all I'm all I'm going to get. 298 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:08,240 » Okay, we'll move to a public comment. Anybody wishing to speak at this 299 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,240 hearing? 300 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,440 » No. 301 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,280 All right. >> I'll be back. 302 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,560 So, 303 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:34,000 here we are again in another FOIA appeal. 304 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,000 Um 305 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,800 that was done everything last minute again. 306 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Like you said, should be done. Many things are done, we should have it 307 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,200 put out to the public for anything. I mean, 308 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:51,880 the only reason and I know because I had conversations with people that was here 309 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:57,000 about how politics work and the power works. Somebody do things like 310 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:00,960 send out your emails at, you know, 4:29 on Thursday when you're leaving for the 311 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:05,160 weekend and that's what you do with the game that you play 312 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:11,160 and it's a regular occurrence that happens 313 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:17,600 from attorneys as well as from boards. Um you form patterns when you do things 314 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:23,560 like I have for as long as I have. You form some patterns of things. And 315 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:26,600 then when you're told things that have happened. 316 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:33,040 And then you you can say that someone's lying, but then oh, I guess I the nice 317 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:37,840 way to put it out there was someone misspoke. 318 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:41,680 Someone must have just misspoke recently because 319 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:46,200 because we don't we don't have a pattern yet of 320 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:53,000 not sharing properly. We don't have patterns yet of 321 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,000 doing things incorrectly. 322 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:04,000 The data that he requested is absolutely 100% a part of the BS&A system. 323 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,680 Whether you're not talking to a technician, you're talking to a 324 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:12,280 salesperson instead of actual data technicians. 325 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:17,480 The The records are there of who 326 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,760 as a representative in your in your departments 327 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:26,200 did any changes within the system. Those records are there. 328 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:33,480 1,000% I am building these same exact systems. 329 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:36,560 And guess what? For retention of all records for when you build a system like 330 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,440 this, every single bit of data is in the 331 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:44,440 system. And it is a record. 332 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,440 It's there. 333 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,440 You guys can just deny and play ignorant all you want. 334 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:59,000 But you guys' ignorance is costing the township too much money. 335 00:22:54,360 --> 00:23:03,160 And it is growing at a rapid pace. So I suggest you again, like I said last 336 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:09,160 meeting, we probably need to fire the attorney again and find someone that's 337 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:13,320 competent. I think we should maybe get people on the board that actually are 338 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:18,120 competent to do work like FOIA requests that are actually simple. You guys are 339 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:22,760 screwing it up at a very very severe degree. Attorneys and the 340 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:27,320 clerk are not doing it at all. Simple work. 341 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,320 Simple work. 342 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,400 » Anybody else would like to speak in public comment? 343 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:46,040 Seeing none, we'll go to uh trustee personal privilege. 344 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,080 » Mr. McGinn. >> I'm all set. 345 00:23:53,360 --> 00:24:00,240 » I'll again reiterate that I but I'm earlier that we do need to do better. 346 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:03,400 These need to get to us. We have to have time to review these instead of them at 347 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:08,920 our desk here at our seats when we come in 348 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:12,880 for this FOIA. Emails would be great. I want to work on these dates. We should 349 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:18,480 not be filing extensions unless it's something major. I would like to know 350 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:22,320 what constitutes a 10-day an extension for 10 days that we're not 351 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:26,680 able to get that information. The 3 days late and stuff, I just 352 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:30,880 the public's asking for that and they're seeing that. So, we need to move that 353 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:34,720 forward. That's it. 354 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,720 Thank you. 355 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,360 » Um 356 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:44,440 I will try to get on the phone again with the FOIA and talk to them again to 357 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:49,040 see if there's something that I can find or something they can help me find to 358 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:53,240 see if I can help him find what he's looking 359 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:56,440 for. Again today, I'll try. Um that's all I have. 360 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:05,240 » I'm good. >> No further comments. 361 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,240 Hearing is adjourned.