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and I'm texting. Uh,
>> okay. It's 7 o'clock so many. Okay. Uh,

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first thing just a short announcement.
Uh, Greg David passed away this

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afternoon. speak John David
that's why he will not be joining us

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today this evening um let's just run
around and quickly do an introduction

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because I know planning commission and
city house don't always interact too

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much with each other so let's start with
Mike Proctor

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say who you are and where what you do
it's Mike Proctor I'm on city council

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and I do run an investment advisory US.

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I'm just joined planning commission and
I'm recently retired. Would you like to

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spend some time with two grand?
>> Brandon Moff council.

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I work as an engineer direct street.
>> I'm Demian

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retired engineer.
>> Well, Jordan, planning commission,

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retired architect and I have some real
estate and some I have a farm and Jim

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and I was talking about that I did a
little bit. I just not

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city council lived in Beller since 2010
and I work at Wildcat to start.

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I'm Jim Bage. I'm mayor and mostly
retired

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» and I'll if you don't mind I have my
staff introduce themselves so they know

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who who's.
>> Yep. announce

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the development director and the staff
person for

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» James Miller, facilities director and
interim police manuction.

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Huh?

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BC.
>> Ted Henry, city manager, proud employee

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for the last 10 years. And tonight we're
here to or you want to queue it off,

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Jen, or you want me to?
>> Oh, well, go ahead.

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» First thing on the agenda, try to keep
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think we have somebody.

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» Thank you, mayor. Yep. I'm Kylie
Jennings. Um, I work at PEC,

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professional engineering consultants. We
serve as your guys' on call city

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planners and city engineers. Um, do a
variety of things with the city. And

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tonight, we're going to work through a
zoning and subdivision regulations

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update. This is the first workshop that
we'll do with you all out of four.

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All right. So, are we ready to dive into
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» Yeah. I I will just say we are
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audio because I have her presentation on
the the live stream. So just just be

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aware that um audio [clears throat] is
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» and if you have any questions at all
during this, please let me know. Um

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we'll do a little presentation um to
explain what this project is. You guys

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will do some discussion amongst
yourselves and then as a big group we'll

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go back to a presentation. We'll do one
more activity and then wrap it up. Um,

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so my co-orker Lance Onto is also um
your guys's on call planner and he's in

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Rose Hill right now helping them with
something and is on his way as we speak.

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So he'll get here eventually. Um, but
how did we get here? Some of you that

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were on council previously for any
commission, remember that we just

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wrapped up the Bellair 2035
comprehensive plan. This is a

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comprehensive plan document. spent two
years talking to the public um and

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working with you all um and we at that
time the city council and planning

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commission through several workshops um
we talked to several different

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stakeholder groups like the Lions Club,
the Rotary Club, the tree board. Um

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we're at pop-up events at festivals here
in Bair all gathering community input to

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give us the values and goals for Bair
for the next 10 years for Belair 2035.

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So there's multiple values. We won't go
through all of them. Um, one of them was

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economic development. Your value
statement there is Bellair's

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non-residential environment will enhance
the quality of life for all residents

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and visitors alike. Right. And one of
those goals that's boxed to your goal

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number two is review and amend adoptive
regulations to identify inconsistencies,

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improvements, and revisions. And then
focus this review towards incorporating

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modern best practices for
non-residential regulation tailored

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specifically to assist with the
implementation of this plan. Sorry,

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that's kind of jargony, but that means
do the projects that we are now doing.

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So, um you guys and same thing in
housing. We had the exact same goal for

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housing as well as goal number six here,
explore amending or redoing the zoning

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code, especially as it pertains to
residential development. Um to ensure

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best practices are in place for the
city, the developer, and the citizens.

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So, you all get to say hello
constituents. We are doing exactly what

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you asked us to do. This is awesome. So
what this project is that we're

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partaking on is the next best step for
Belair and often the step that comes

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after a comprehensive plan update.
So does that make sense where we're

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going right now?
>> Yeah. Who who um was involved in the

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process of the comprehensive plan? You
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So most of you. Great.
Okay. So before um we dive into Belair's

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zoning code specifically, we'll do a
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zoning 101, it existed all the way back
in antiquity. For as long as humans have

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been alive, we have been organizing our
space in some sort of order, right?

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There was a religious center, a
commercial center, um a place where you

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know all the business happened. There
was places where people lived and there

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was places where people played. There
was outdoor things. Think of a walled

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city. Certain things were allowed to
happen outside the wall, certain things

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had to happen inside the wall. They
probably didn't have it written down in

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several articles on the MUN code
website, but it existed and it was in

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some form happening. Um, then zoning, as
we call it now, took a big shift during

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the industrialization period. So, um,
people always kind of lived and worked

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in the same place, right? They didn't
have to, we didn't have cars back then,

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so they didn't have to travel far to go
to work. So work and home work together.

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Now industrialization comes about and we
have all these factories and we realize

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that work and home together is very very
bad for the human person. Um think of

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like the London the great smog of London
and all of these uh pretty quickly

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escalating health problems. So that
started a pendulum swing of we have to

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separate land uses. People need to live
over here and work over here for health,

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safety and welfare. good idea until that
pendulum swung and swung and swung and

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swung. We never stopped it and we said,
"Okay, people are going to live here if

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they live in one house, but they're or a
single family house. They'll live here

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if they live in a duplex or a triplex or
quadlex. They live over here if they're

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in an apartment. The uh healthcare will
be over here. Retail will be over here.

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The grocery store will be over here. And
the factory will be over here." And so

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now no one can access the things that
they need on a day-to-day basis. Right?

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So that is what 20th century um zoning
has kind of swung towards. And we have

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some really good things that did happen
um like really walkable cities, things

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that are, you know, uh just think of
like our really historic neighborhoods

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um in Witchah, historic neighborhoods
here in Melair, things that we all enjoy

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being in. And then some things that
weren't good happened like just endless

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endless endless suburban sprawl, right?
That is generally not great for the

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human spirit. So the modern goals of
zoning are to take away this. So this uh

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dashed circle is like a a walkable
radius, right? And we do sometimes live

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in this world where often now our uses
are surrounded by parking lots on very

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large roads leading to the fact that no
one can walk to anywhere that they need

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to go. And the goal is kind of shifting
towards mixing those uses to make them

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um more usable so that you can maybe
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neighborhood. I think a lot about uh
kids and elderly who cannot drive. How

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much how far can they go without a car
in their day-to-day lives? Can they get

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any of their needs done in their
day-to-day life? Right? There's kind of

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like a big uh some people are saying
like, "Oh, kids these days can't can't

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handle anything. We were out till the
street lights came on." Well, it was

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like different to be out till the street
lights came on when you could go to the

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quick trip and you could go to the park
and you could go to all these places

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with your friends. Um, and now you
can't. Like I know growing up if I

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wanted to go to the store I had to cross
a four-lane road um with cars going 45

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miles an hour, right? So that wasn't
really part of an option. So zoning now

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today we're trying to get more into this
area on the right where the environment

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that we're building is good for
development for the human. Okay. And I

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know that's kind of a heavy statement
and that's not that perfect, you know,

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combination of uses there isn't going to
fit in every single um city, right? So

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the goal here is to make Belair's a
little bit more oriented toward what the

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citizens want, what all what you all
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Um, I will say that this is so we'll get
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note that this is not unique to Belair.
Every city in America is trying to go

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through this zoning and subdivision
regulation update, right? This is not

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something that it's like you guys are so
behind. This is crazy. Um, at the same

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time, this is impressive that we're
already making this next step, right?

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you guys just adopted the comprehensive
plan and you're already starting on this

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next project, which isn't necessarily um
common everywhere. So, it's really

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exciting. So, this is this is the next
best step for citizens. Um and these

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regulations will be like continuing to
evolve, right? Just like our knowledge

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of zoning, our knowledge of planning,
the way we build houses changes, the way

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we design cities changes. So, now you
guys will get to talk. Um, and we're

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going to do this kind of in groups. So,
I think maybe each table could have a

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miniature discussion and then we'll
discuss as a group. Um, you guys get to

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decide as a group what is the most
important rule of your zones and

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regulations. I'll put a timer on my
phone for like three or four minutes and

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then we will discuss as a large group.
So, go ahead discuss amongst yourselves.

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What's the most
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That's part of it.

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» It's designed to

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availably

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don't know very
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easy.

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Whatever.

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All of us
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another

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Facebook.

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» Oh, yeah.

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I know

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something

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This is exciting. You guys are daddy. I
love it. Um we are in a strict request

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to keep us under now but we're trying to
starting

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let's start at the table you guys want
or are you guys ready to what was your

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answer for the most important role of
your code?

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» I mean I don't know if we had a
collective answer but I just said to

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bring order and value out of chaos.
>> Nice. Yes.

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» Yeah. I talked about how, you know, when
I came to city council, I pretty much

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have this idea, hey, you know, property
rights are king. You know, if you own

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the property, I want you to have maximum
ability to do what you want on that. If

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you've got a problem with it or you form
HOAs to kind of enforce, you know, we

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have different things in there, but
minimize top down control. Um, but I

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hear from residents, you know, this
feels like in black city, you know, is

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there a role that we should play in
shaping or minimizing some of that? So,

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um,
bring order with it and freeze it, but I

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don't always know, uh, what that should
look like and how complicated that

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should be for
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» Yeah, that is that'll be a core, we'll
discuss that later is how do you balance

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personal property rights and maintaining
an ordered city? Yeah, great. And your

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guys's job as elected employment
officials. Great. I'm not envious, but

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that is very cool.
Okay, this table. Yeah,

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» we we said just the most important role
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» We didn't think it was fair. You did
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I think it comes down to um the citizens
safety but also with the vision that

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they have for the city um and then
staying on top of like what we are now

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as as things change and evolve trying to
make sure that we're staying ahead of

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that so that the the quality of life is
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regulations are there for a reason and
it it

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to just change them or ask for changes
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struggle with.
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» Why?
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are we changing right now?
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» but why back on that? So we talked a
little bit about making sure that the

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regulations are clear and
I don't know the words predictable,

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right? But we don't want more. We would
like less and less case by case and more

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and more structure.
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one of the things that we talked about a
little bit too is being creative and

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having some option especially for
variety of housing

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you chat about a little bit.
>> I'm going to come back real quick. So

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what about the changes?
>> So when people ask for changes, why do

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you need that change? Is it all
financially driven? is that you think

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it's better if we do it this way. And so
all of these documents, all these words

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we put in here were thought out. And if
we just say, okay, here it is. And then

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somebody talk, I don't like this or I
don't like this. I want to change that.

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» And they want to come in and do it. And
and why why do you want to

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» not just I want to do it.
>> Okay. Having reasons behind the variance

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request. reasons how those help citizens
of Belair and the city.

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» Nice. Okay. Is there anything else in
this table? Housing flexibility.

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» I think we wanted to see something. The
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safety.
>> Yeah. Knowing the separating isolating

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compartments
from quiet from more safe areas maybe

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less safe areas.
>> That's the role of of zone. I don't

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know. I'm not trying to bash on the
because it's actually a pretty neat

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city, but if you've ever gone to
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find something that's just different and
and and that is um it's weird. There's

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houses next to businesses, next to fire,
and it's just kind of weird. So, if you

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ever go there, just I've just noticed
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» Um so, trying to
make those what you saying order of the

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right place, the right place to be
separated by the right amount of

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distance or together or what. But Jim
didn't know the connectivity and we

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talked a little bit about how
subdivisions and zoning, you know, you

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build a subdivision, you build a
subdivision and they're just kind of

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desperate. They're not connected. But we
really do as we want to master plan our

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city need to be thinking about how do we
provide for future connectivity knowing

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there's going to be some sidewalks to
nowhere until we connect that but if

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there requirements for putting that in
then eventually we'll start connecting

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them or the city might take a path if
the side connect

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» awesome yeah

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it's it's also a balance of there's
families that have been in the valley

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for decades So they they love why
they're here and they don't always want

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the change. Um so it's it's a it's that
balance of really trying to make sure

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that we're that they feel heard and that
the reason they want to stay here is

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we know how and I haven't had a chance
to read that just

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35 point fits in this play.

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Um, yes, I will come back to that in
just a second to hit on what you're

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saying. That will be yes, the thing that
we kind of tie in, right? We're not

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going to change the way Belair looks
with the zoning regulation update. How

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do we tease it? How do we make it more
flexible, more predictable for people,

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for citizens, so that people can not be
out of shock when something new goes in?

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Right. So, yes,
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there. I agree with that. Um, I think
it's important to see what strengths

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Belair has, what unique characteristics
Belair has and and and and try to try to

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maintain those to some degree and not
just be a meto city like, oh, we want to

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be like dirty, we want to be like God,
we want to be like mates. No, look at

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what's made us really different
>> and sure we maintain some of those

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special qualities. So that's if you got
more nerds that that's what I I was in

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that thing.
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» Yes. So So for some more context on with
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comprehensive plan that's a legal
requirement by the state of Kansas and

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by most states um to have in place
before you can enforce zodia

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regulations. So you have to be able to
tell a citizen we've thought through the

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next 10 years. We've looked at our
utilities. We've talked to citizens.

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we've gathered all this feedback um and
that gives us the legal right to say you

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cannot build a so and so on your
residential plotted neighborhood. Um so

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the comprehensive plan is much more
visionary in um just in its personality

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of a document. I guess if you can give a
document a personality, right? It goes

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through we can come back to um one of
these slides here.

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You have four value statements. There's
only two of them here. Economic

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development and housing. Um but we can
read this uh paragraph for housing here

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real quick. Retaining residents in
Belair over the next 15 years will

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largely hinge on housing. If resident is
able to rent or purchase a starter home,

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move into a larger home as their family
expands, and then downsized during

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retirement, Belair will have served them
well. City can proactively take steps to

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ensure that missing piece of housing
stocks, the missing pieces of housing

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stock are incentivized and eventually
built to keep citizens in Belair. Um, so

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those are the type of that's like the
level that we're looking at when we're

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looking at the comprehensive plan,
right? is like this is a thing that

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needs to be addressed and this is what
we heard from your citizens that needs

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to be addressed as well as planners
looking at the city. This is what we

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recommend. Um and then we list these
goals. So you'll see they're pretty

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vague, right? Like goal number three is
promote multiple housing types and

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densities of housing to ensure residents
at all stages of life can remain in

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Belair. Goal four, support and encourage
maintenance and redevelopments of

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underutilized and or deteriorating
existing neighborhoods. Um because that

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this is a plan for the next 10 to 15
years. So this is the uh the workload

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basically of your staff here um and you
all is how do we achieve these goals

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over the next 10 to 15 years. So many
ways you can do that. Um this zoning

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regulation update is like the next best
step to start to do that. Does that kind

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of give more context for that piece?
And it's a little bit but this is on

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your website. Um it is a large document
but there's a lot of pictures. So I

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would recommend working through it. um
that is the comprehensive plan will be

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updated annually by the planning
commission. So that is something that

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you guys will continue to review as
being

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» just to kind of add to a little bit your
about things that get requested changed.

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Some of that comes from our side too
like we'll review a plan at planning

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commission or we'll review the city
council and we'll go wait here's

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something missing here and we'll say hey
we want to sidewalk there connection. So

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it goes both ways. But I think the
intent of updating our zoning is so it's

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very clear what our expectations are of
the developers and what we're providing

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our citizens. So that hopefully we have
less and less and less of that over

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time. But also one thing I've observed
is developers will come in and ask for a

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change and a lot of times I'll hear hey
this is how Witchah does it or this is

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how and so they're used to developing in
areas across the area and our code is so

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old and so dated that a lot of those
little things have just not caught up

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and I'm not saying that everything Wita
does or everything that Derby does is

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going to want to do but I think there is
probably a decent chunk of the issues

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we're having are probably related to
we're kind of on some of those things

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and that's what I've observed over the
last several weeks since I've been on

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council when they have asked for
adjustments or changes. It seems like

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it's rooted in it's kind of normal but
you guys are different.

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» So how these aren't good I'm not saying
get rid of all

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» there are good differences but there are
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they were yeah
>> press four. All right, if there are no

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more questions, we're gonna move on to
your this is your second discussion

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question that you'll do on your tables
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evening. Um

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the next section,

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» what is the most common development
oriented complaint you hear in Belair?

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» Yeah. No, this is small small groups
first. I know what one answer is going

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to be. I know if anyone can come up with
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start

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When you start getting

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down, I mean,
that's all

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that

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burning
city.

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about

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you know

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what's

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Thursday

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night

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special.

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» I hope that was some good.
>> I'm sure you guys all want to hear these

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things. I'm interested in your guys's
answers for this one, too. And the

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previous one, sorry.
>> All right, let's start over here again.

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Come up with
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your hand.
it would be deeplexes idea like

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like on one hand you know and I feel
this way too like but the bedroom

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community isn't such a slur to me
because we're close to W 11 nice things

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to say you know like you've been here
for 20 years you like a restaurant but

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you don't want all the hassles of
restaurant or maybe more people coming

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up here that might cause other issues.
So just that tension of how do you grow?

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How do you grow in an organic way where
you're not putting your thumb on the

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scale maybe with incentives that don't
make sense but at the same time there's

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an upper use in
just

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so um we're not going to say the word
[laughter] and but I think in some way

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it's a bit of a red herring and I want
to go back to what we talked about when

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planning commission meetings what I gave
you some homework because I know that

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there's
these laws which just come down to

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Kansas that would make it difficult for
us to do anything if you single out a

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certain type of house. But as I thought
about it really I don't think people are

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necessarily complaining about a duplex.
What they're complaining about is 200 of

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the exact same floor plan, exact same
color side by side. And I think if even

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if those were million dollar single
family homes, if they were all identical

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floor plan, all identical color side by
side in the same subdivision, we'd all

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have the same complaint. So I think when
you listen to what people mean versus

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what they say is the homogeneity,
right? We all love variety. And I think

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one of the things I think people should
look at is is there a way in that we can

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force the developers to have some kind
of variety whether it's duplexes, single

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family homes, forplexes, apartments, I
don't care

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regardless of residential type. We want
variety. And so if we had that as

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goal number three or statement number
three that would go back I'd like to see

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that driven out
in the individual zone.

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» Yes, we will get to that next.
>> So I think so not single out a type of

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residential property but we want
variety.

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» Awesome.
Yeah. Um, to go off of that, I live in a

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neighborhood that is filled with
duplexes and I find a new one almost

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every month that I didn't know was there
prior because of the design of the homes

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or I live in Riverside. So, you drive
through and you never realize that's a

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duplex until you notice there's two
addresses on the front. Where's the how

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they where are they going? So, yeah,
it's a great a great comment.

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» I'll add on to that. I think also
besides the variety, I think the mix,

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and we talked about this a little bit,
the mix of green space, sidewalk

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accessibility, some of those things do
get more cramped when you're just trying

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to fit as many duplexes as we can on
that partial, you know, 40 acre lot. So,

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if we're thinking about making a
requirement, it may needs to be more

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driven to our vision of how much green
space do we need per acre or whatever

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metric we come up with. And maybe that
can help drive a little bit of no matter

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whether it's duplex or a single
favorite, it's going to have these

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things and that could help to y
>> as we're saying that I was kind of

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thinking those same things. So I think
you it's well well said the way you put

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» as I am in uh the outside of
I don't know exactly what I'm called but

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» but anyway those of you who have known
me for a while know there are few things

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I talk house and one of them is
lighting. Okay, those are the kinds of

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things that you look at I think in
zoning from the standpoint of people

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from the outside looking at your city
when they come in. example

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for part of the community. I live on
Greenwood Road. If you come down 85th

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Street and Greenwood Road, people talk
about the Christmas tree.

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You know what that is? That's a SEMA
facility and it's all referred to as the

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Christmas tree. People talk about the
duplexes. They all look alike. And then

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there's another issue that's coming
about with this zoning too that we need

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to think about our whole society how
we're becoming more geared towards even

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light pollution. You know, it used to be
water pollution. It used to be, you

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know, soil pollution. Now we're looking
at black pollution also. So this is what

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some of this thing of the zoning changes
can do is to look forward and bring Bair

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into this concept of all the way around,
you know, beyond the city limits.

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» Thanks.
>> I got one thing I'd like to density

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versus green space and pocket.
So the more dense populated and area it

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is, the more green space and pocket
parks they need to be able to get out.

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Imagine living in Soviet Russia during
the 1970s.

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You're in 20story building and there's a
park outside. This whole room is the

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building and this is
so we need to have a we need to put

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something in. It's been done in those
cities where density

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per
acre of major has to have so many

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feet of square feet or square yards of
open space pocket parks.

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» And the pocket parks are so important
for a neighborhood because where the

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kids go to they walk to the park and
then they it's five tin the houses down

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where the parents go with kids where the
parents they meet the other parents that

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neighborhood forms to cohesive
identity.

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» Yeah, I I guess I'll let's say
several of these concepts together. I

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know the question is is a little bit
broader than what I'm about to say. I

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would say what I hear is reflexes. So
that but I think um one thing that Brian

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mentioned and you got V mentioned I
think what I would like to see is a

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variety a variety of lot sizes
>> in in this in let's say one subdivision

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typical subdivision
we need a variety of lot sizes you need

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a variety of housing types like talked
about maybe they're not all good places.

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Maybe they're not all single family, but
maybe a variety of living choices,

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creative living choices and a variety of
green space. And even if there's two

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adults that wanted to share a nice green
space and it was a special green space,

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maybe that that's an opportunity to save
some of the financial burden often by

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developer. So, okay, this development,
this 4 acres has to be green space and

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this 4 acres has to be green space.
there could be a little bit space on

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shares. So I guess variety is

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thing I got brought up was what is our
we said the key word but uh the second

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biggest thing is just not having
sidewalks or sidewalks and this is

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usually an issue in older parks failure.
It's obviously not as big an issue in

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our new subs because most of those can't
say all most of them have sidewalks on

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at least one side. Some of them have it
on both, but there are some new

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specifically duplex development that did
not get sidewalks put in. So that's a

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problem in my opinion with the density.
Uh so the other issue is just we we kind

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of a couple times of green space. I
don't know if it's city parks. I think

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00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:09,359
when I hear pocket park sets probably
tends to lend itself to requiring an HOA

420
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:14,400
supply that and us not taking on more
city general budget to do that. But um I

421
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,480
think it is probably the second biggest
thing I hear is just not having enough

422
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:27,440
connectivity, enough sidewalks, enough
safe space to walk, bike

423
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:31,760
and other timing under what said. Yeah,
I agree. The city doesn't need anything

424
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:35,440
more than the budget like five huge
parks.

425
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:42,720
» But you know, sometimes simplicity is
fun. like maybe it's okay to have a

426
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:46,079
green space because it can just be,
>> you know, it doesn't have to have a

427
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:51,160
$350,000
play set. It can just be gratitude

428
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,800
what Tyler said.
>> I'm gonna come to the staff table real

429
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:06,000
quick. What do we think?
I'm a little biased, but um I think in

430
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:09,680
addition to um the zoning code related
to housing and I know we talked a lot

431
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:14,400
about the types of I'm worried about
retail and commercial opportunities

432
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:20,079
because oftent times when you have a
little something it brings people into

433
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:23,200
the city and when you only have houses
of thinking, oh my gosh, I've got to

434
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,119
drive 10 miles to get to a grocery
store. I got it. So, I think retail uh

435
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:30,640
the right kind of retail in the right
kinds of places according to the

436
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,400
comprehensive plan is going to be really
important and I know that sometimes when

437
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:37,440
you get a few a few more may come,
right? And so, we're starting to see a

438
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:41,359
little bit of that right now and I'm
really excited about that. Um as long as

439
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:45,599
it's the right kind and what people want
and so I think um I think that's really

440
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:50,800
helpful because I don't want to continue
I don't want Belair to continue to rely

441
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:56,359
on driving some other city all the time.
I I appreciate having some of those

442
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,359
conveniences in the city.

443
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:02,960
» You do. You do. The reality
>> it's not quite zoning related, but we're

444
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:08,319
about ready and some of the new council
members are going to experience their

445
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:13,760
first bond issue. Pro special
assessments are the main one I hear. And

446
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:19,359
and and it's all tied together, guys.
That's what's fun. It's uh it's

447
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:23,760
interesting how citizens want one thing
and then the other and then retail is

448
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:28,000
another big one.
>> The other thing when I'm talking is it's

449
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:32,000
funny how why do people move to Valair?
They want to look up at the sky. They

450
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:37,599
want to go to their backyards and have
that sense of I'm outside the city but

451
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:42,559
also, you know, close to the city. So,
how do we preserve that feeling of and I

452
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,880
hate hate to say it, but you know that
I'm out in the open but not out in the

453
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:53,280
open and that's where we talk about lot
sizes and and those types of things. So,

454
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:58,480
those are the three things I get.
>> Okay, thanks you guys. That was really

455
00:51:55,839 --> 00:52:05,040
informative, really good. Um, we are
going to move on to project philosophy.

456
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:08,760
Lance is going to take it from here.
gets to all fun

457
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:16,720
act and she says lance once you can be
in there just deflate everybody's

458
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,800
» conditions
>> like a in parks and wreck the show it's

459
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,760
a lot like cities there's the two
finance guys and one of them like talks

460
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,480
about all the good things they're going
to do and then the other guys launches

461
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:31,280
the budget
>> welcome to another guy

462
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:35,920
» so I'm generally the second least
popular person at every party the first

463
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,280
finance guys. So, at least I have you
guys beat. So, I don't have to worry

464
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:45,280
about paying, right? Say that jokingly
because uh that is a point that I'm

465
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:49,359
going to try to make. So, what we're
trying to do here tonight is kind of

466
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:53,359
what we've started with. Trying to get
some of your guys's thoughts, ambitions,

467
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:58,400
the things that you guys struggle with,
start to kind of put some context around

468
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:04,079
what this next version of your zoning
code will look like. Um,

469
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:09,280
the other part of what we're trying to
do tonight is kind of ground you guys.

470
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:13,680
So, we're all marching forward with this
with the same goals in mind. So, what is

471
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:17,520
this project going to do? What is this
project not going to do? Are we going to

472
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:23,599
be able to address every single thing
that every person in this room wants to

473
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:26,960
address? No. Uh, so what is our purpose?
So, we're going to pause. We're going to

474
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,640
talk about a little bit of that here in
the middle and then we're going to get

475
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:35,680
some we're going to hope we'll try to
set some priorities so we can at least

476
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:41,280
identify those really big ticket items
that we have to make as part of this

477
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:47,520
update. Again, we will not be perfect.
This will not be a code that you guys

478
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:51,119
adopt and never has to be touched again.
That's how we get into the situation

479
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:55,280
we're in now, right? where we've kind of
got to reset, go back to foundations,

480
00:53:53,839 --> 00:54:00,559
figure out what's important, and figure
out what we need to do just to make it

481
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:05,200
work correctly. The one piece, and I
caught most of that last thing that I'm

482
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:10,400
not that's not on this section that I
wanted to mention, I want to I want to

483
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:15,680
remind everyone the difference between
encouragement of and requirements and

484
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:20,800
regulations.
So just because we want our built

485
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:26,640
environment, our city to look a specific
way, uh there are different ways we can

486
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:30,400
make that become reality or actuality.
Some of that is through our requirements

487
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:36,960
and our regulations. You must do this,
right? Not everything fits a zoning code

488
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:40,800
in that way. So not saying that this is
applicable or not, but just to use an

489
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:46,000
example because we've talked a lot about
variety of lot sizes, variety of housing

490
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:50,640
types, all those things, right? Can you
write a regulation that requires that?

491
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:55,440
We're going to find out, right? Uh but
there are other mechanisms that a city

492
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:59,680
can use to encourage that rather than
just require that or have the

493
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:05,359
regulation. So I want you to be thinking
in that mindset, too. Not only are we

494
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:10,800
talking about requirements and laws here
within the zoning ordinance, uh, but

495
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:14,960
even if it's not appropriated or does it
fit well in a zoning ordinance, some of

496
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:20,000
these ambitions and goals can live
elsewhere. Uh, which we can talk about

497
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:23,920
those as we go.
So, I'm actually going to let Kylie

498
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:28,400
explain that. I don't want me to have
all the fun. So, I'll let Kylie explain

499
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:31,920
this slide, then we'll get into the real
stuff.

500
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:35,760
» Okay. So this analogy is usually given
um for time management, right? What are

501
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:40,079
your rocks in your life? What are your
pedals? What are your stay? So rocks are

502
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:43,760
like I have to eat three times a day. Um
me, I have to also snack like three or

503
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,839
four times a day. Love snacks. Um I need
eight hours of sleep and I need to hang

504
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:54,640
out with my husband, right? That might
be your rocks. And then your pebbles

505
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:57,920
could be um I I like to cook. I like to
um hang out with my neighbors. These are

506
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:02,000
things that add value to my life, but
they're not required for me to survive.

507
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:06,720
And then the sand are things that are
just now I have free time. What am I

508
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:12,720
going to do? Right? I'm going to read a
book or go outside. Um, so you pick

509
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:18,000
where your things land. But that's
basically what we're saying here is if I

510
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:21,839
only read books and never eat lunch,
then I will not continue to survive as a

511
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:25,760
human, right? That would be putting my
sand in before my rocks and my pebbles

512
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,680
go in. So you have to put in your big
things first that are the most important

513
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:34,319
then the next important and then fill in
around the rest. So for this project the

514
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:40,880
most important thing is organizing the
code right the zoning code currently

515
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:45,440
does not flow in the most uh what do I
want to say intuitive way right that the

516
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:48,799
organization of this will be the rocks
we have to get the right sections in the

517
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:52,960
right place the right things in the
right order and it has to talk well to

518
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:57,040
the subdivision regulations and then the
pebbles the next important thing we're

519
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:01,280
going to look at are districts and uses
so that's single family residential

520
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:05,599
multif family residential
um light commercial, heavy commercial,

521
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:10,559
light industrial, heavy industrial,
those types of uh zoning districts, what

522
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:14,559
your piece of property is zoned and then
what is allowed to happen on that piece

523
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:19,680
of property. Those are the next level of
importance. And then the final thing,

524
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:24,480
the sand that fills in the jar um that
we do absolutely last um is the

525
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:30,000
regulations. So that is what we were
talking about earlier like what is the

526
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:34,000
uh recommended acre per density of green
space for this housing development right

527
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:38,319
how far do we want these street trees to
be placed apart from one another what

528
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:43,760
type of architectural facade do we want
people to use on their buildings those

529
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:48,880
are the sand things so that would be
something that we have to shift our

530
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:52,319
minds is away from wanting to fill out
all of those sand regulations right

531
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,880
because we say okay I know I want brick
and limestone stone with the spots. Why

532
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:59,119
can't we just write that as a
regulation? We're not there yet. We have

533
00:57:57,359 --> 00:58:04,319
to start with the organization so that
we can get there without just making

534
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:09,119
things more confusing in the process.
That make sense? Does that land? Cool.

535
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:12,400
She's an analogy expert, so I give all
analogies to her. How long is that gonna

536
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:19,440
take?
>> Two weeks now. No, I'm No. I I think a

537
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:24,000
lot of the pacing of this project. So,
we will cover all of these as part of

538
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:28,000
this project. A lot of the pacing I'll
have we'll have a better idea of

539
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,599
following the end of this workshop and
before our next workshop. next workshop

540
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:40,960
which we'll talk about we'll be
presenting actual districts and UC

541
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:45,280
we'll see how close we are as a group to
getting through that. So, I hate

542
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:49,760
putting, but my goal is to have full
draft zoning code in the minimal

543
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:55,200
subdivision that we're touching by the
end.

544
00:58:51,680 --> 00:59:00,240
That's the goal. And as Kylie knows, I'm
meetings I'm in never go late. Projects

545
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:06,680
never go beyond the deadline.
>> And steering phase like yourself never

546
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,680
request another meeting like

547
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:16,880
Okay. So what hopefully this will look
like at the end it will not we are not

548
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:20,640
going to be submitting this to some
national you know hopefully some

549
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:24,160
national award there's not going to be a
number of cities that are going to be

550
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:29,040
like I want their code so what is
successful for us at this stage of what

551
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,359
we're trying to do as Kylie mentioned
our code is not overly organized user

552
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:38,000
friendly which means we have a lot of
compliance issues development has a lot

553
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:41,839
of risk that's unnecessary homeowners
don't really know what to do it drags

554
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:46,240
down staff time. So, they can't be
proactive. They're very reactive. So,

555
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:52,400
hopefully our code by the end of this is
well organized. It's consistent. We've,

556
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:57,440
as Paula can tell you, uh we often are
debating conflicts in your code. It says

557
00:59:55,359 --> 01:00:01,200
one thing in one section and contradicts
it in another section. We got to figure

558
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:06,319
out what it says. So, organized,
consistent. Uh we always give cities

559
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:10,400
this as kind of the the process or the
pathway. So we did your guys'

560
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:15,839
comprehensive plan that can set those
goals and those ideals. Now the zone

561
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:19,599
goes next which is a tool to implement
that comprehensive plan. So better it

562
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:23,359
should be aligned with that
comprehensive plan. So remember one of

563
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:28,000
the reasons why we did comprehensive
plan A is because it's not just us in

564
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:32,480
this room that's saying we want our city
to be this. It should be something that

565
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:37,200
is reflective of the community
consensus. So always should be relating

566
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:41,680
back to the adopted comprehensive plan.
If we can make this easier to either

567
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:45,760
self administer or staff administer
administer or for you guys on the

568
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:50,319
planning commission to make decisions
and city council to make decisions.

569
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:56,720
That's what we want to do. So, we want
to be necessarily strict and have heavy

570
01:00:54,319 --> 01:01:01,280
requirements where it makes sense from a
community vision perspective, but those

571
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:04,559
places where we want people can do
business or we want they're going to do

572
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:09,119
it for the code. We want it to be
predictable and easy enough to do. I

573
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,400
don't want anyone to say, I don't want
to move to Belair. I don't want to build

574
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:17,040
in Bair. I don't want to start a
business in Bair because the process is

575
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:22,079
too hard.
And then uh again to use a different

576
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:26,000
analogy, I'm not highly going to be
nearly as good, but we're at the

577
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:31,359
foundation phase, right? So we'll
continue to add on and do renovations

578
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:35,200
and maybe focus on one piece of the
house, one room at a time in the future,

579
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,960
but we got to get the framing, the
foundation, everything ready. That's

580
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:45,440
what success will look like for this
phase hopefully by the end of the year.

581
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:50,799
So what this project is and what this is
not. So my goal is with this is just to

582
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:54,319
make sure that we're being efficient
with your guys' time and you guys

583
01:01:52,559 --> 01:02:01,440
understand what our role is. So when we
get to the end of this uh it's a success

584
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:05,599
for everybody. So this is a project to
build a stronger foundation for you guys

585
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:12,079
when you're making decisions on some
basis. Um it will align with the 2035 or

586
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,839
the ballet comprehensive plan. We will
reorganize this. We'll modernize the

587
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:20,720
structure to bring it up to best
practice. We'll look at your zoning

588
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:24,319
districts and your procedures, your
definitions because right now they're

589
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:28,319
kind of all over the place. They're
usable, right? We use them on a daily

590
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:33,040
basis, but we can definitely make this
uh this work a lot easier. Our goal as

591
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:38,799
planners when we write zoning
regulations now is you shouldn't have to

592
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:43,040
have a master's in planning to read with
them. So, we try to use common language

593
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:48,480
as much as we can. There are some
terminology that genius what it is. Uh

594
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:53,599
but if a homeowner can't understand it
and they're constantly asking Paul of

595
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:56,559
interpretations which happens uh I don't
know how many times a day follow a lot

596
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,240
» a lot.
>> That means we we need to do a better job

597
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:06,559
as a profession and writing this for
people to understand. Uh and then

598
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:11,280
that's the last. So what we're not doing
we're not rewriting every single

599
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:16,319
regulation in this country. I am not
going to sit down and draft a brand new

600
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:22,000
landscape code that specifies the the
types of uh allowable species. We're not

601
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:26,960
going to get into that level of detail.
Um are there things that we can kind of

602
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:31,599
pick the h maybe some high touch things?
Yes, we're we'll be looking at lot sizes

603
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:36,480
and maximum building heights and
setbacks and all the things we typically

604
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:41,599
think about uh for sure. But some of
those hightouch unique items to to the

605
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:46,640
city of Delair, we're not going to be
diving into these. Those are the later

606
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:50,720
additions or revisions. We do a good job
organizing here. Then maybe phase two of

607
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:55,359
this project is looking at your
landscape, but phase three potentially

608
01:03:53,200 --> 01:04:00,160
looking at your parking. That one's got
a little aspect next to it. We might

609
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:04,160
talk real about that. every complaint
that you've ever got with the issue

610
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:08,640
that's been raised by a resident, a
business owner, a developer or yourself,

611
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:12,880
we don't we're not going to get into
that level of detail here. It will not

612
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:18,480
be perfect. The foundation, the
organization will be perfect, but there

613
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:23,359
will always be something to touch. We
will kind of benchmark you guys against

614
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:28,240
other communities. So, let's say we look
at lot sizes, right? I want to know what

615
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:33,440
Goddard and Vandover and Witchaw and
Skicha and everyone's doing. Uh but

616
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:39,200
we're not we're not aiming to be like
anyone. We're also not aiming to be

617
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:44,160
unlike anyone. We want you guys to have
context of what is happening here, but

618
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:48,079
we want those to be reflective of what
you guys want to be as a city. So you

619
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:52,240
guys are going to say, I heard Dodd's
done this or I heard Derby's doing this.

620
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:58,160
That's perfectly fine. We just have to
make sure it's right for your nexus.

621
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:02,480
You will find at the end of next year
when you implement this, you will find a

622
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:07,440
mistake. Somebody codes are complex,
right? People will find something. I

623
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:13,359
know. Believe me, it shocks us when
people find our mistakes. This happens

624
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:18,079
like maybe never forgets to me. But uh
you guys will find things you want to

625
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:21,760
keep. Maybe not even like a mistake, but
something like, "Oh, I didn't really

626
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:26,240
think that all the way through." So,
that's just the way zoning codes work.

627
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:31,200
They are living documents. They should
be updated, reviewed every every year. A

628
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:36,400
lot of times after a case, you'll
recognize or question a resident will

629
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:40,000
call like, "I've never really had to
incorporate that or interpret that. I

630
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:44,319
don't really like it." So, I just want
to set that expectation. Now, there will

631
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:48,880
be some of these things. So, we want to
keep you guys at least to start at this

632
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:54,640
higher level, right? The rock's not the
same. Any questions about what this

633
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:59,920
project is or what this project is not
now that I've deflated everybody's So,

634
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:04,400
I'm going to say this in like the most
negative way possible clearance. Don't

635
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:10,559
take it the wrong way. That's my stuff.
Um, so are you telling us that, hey, we

636
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:14,640
just heard your number one complaint to
Europeans, but this project's not going

637
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:21,920
to address that? No, we are looking like
if those things if those things can be

638
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:28,000
incorporated, we want now like that
specific example like yes, we want to

639
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:31,119
know the number of every complaint
that's

640
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:34,599
will address the number one complaint.
We all pre-wesome

641
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:51,000
variety issues.
>> No, we will very much be looking at 90

642
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:57,200
» and we'll talk a little bit more about
how we get there towards the end. Yeah,

643
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:01,359
I think it has to be data driven too
because I think there's a perception

644
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:06,400
that there is a ton of something and
data just doesn't that so you do have to

645
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:11,760
be cognizant of perception versus
reality and then how do we overcome that

646
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:15,599
as a part of this project too.
you know, there there are ways to market

647
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:19,280
that information out, right? It's just a
decision we have to make as a city of

648
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:23,839
how we're going to communicate, what our
changes are, why they were made, and

649
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:27,520
maybe some statistics on our housing
inventory.

650
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:33,520
» I think that's a good idea no matter
what we do on a regular

651
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:39,599
» what air is defines it better.
>> I think it's to your point just for our

652
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:43,760
notes. So we did look at uh existing
land uses as part of the comprehensive

653
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:47,920
plan. That's a year and a half ago year
and a half or so ago that we pulled that

654
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:53,200
data. So we can simply update that map
and maybe we present that next

655
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:57,359
workshop. We'll give you an update with
land use because we'll be talking about

656
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:02,240
land usees next. So we'll present it
here and figure out really

657
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:10,160
lance. One thing I I think we need to
talk about is I've been to the uh

658
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:16,640
planning and zoning and each and every
time we have a board of zing

659
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:23,359
landscape
weave landscape off I think is a

660
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:27,920
mistake. We have to have some baselines
so we're not okay. We're gonna do this

661
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:35,120
over here and this person wants to do
this. I think it's it's a it's a mistake

662
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:39,679
not to attack that. I generally agree
that your guys's landscape code needs

663
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:44,319
work. I think everyone in here would
agree with that. The way that we have

664
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:47,759
this project scheduled right now is
we're going to take what's in your

665
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:52,640
landscape code. We're going to
reorganize it, make it fit within the

666
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:57,440
the updated code. So, you're not getting
rid of Mscape. The same requirements

667
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:03,359
that are on developments for landscape
and for houses will be there in the end

668
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:06,799
uh as part of this project. Um, if we
want to write and revise the landscape

669
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:10,640
code because that's a completely
different

670
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:17,520
part of our brain subject matter
expertise, we can definitely do that.

671
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:22,640
That's not really my my goal is to take
what we have and make it enforceable.

672
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:28,400
» Yeah. Yeah. Little tweaks like that we
certainly will be looking because we say

673
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:32,400
2 in somebody I want to put one.
>> Yeah. Why you want to put one in? Well,

674
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:36,560
that's not good enough.
>> Well, that's why landscape specifically.

675
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:43,440
I don't want to get off on landscape on
my own. That's why it's so challenging

676
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:47,679
because enforcement is a major piece of
landscape code. You're going to have the

677
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:51,600
greatest most extensive landscape code
in the world, but if you don't have

678
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:54,560
equal if you don't spend equal time
thinking about how you're going to

679
01:09:52,640 --> 01:10:00,320
enforce the thing, it doesn't really
matter so much. So, a lot of that is

680
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:04,560
outside of the realm the realm of the
community development department

681
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:08,640
includes other departments. It includes
budget and finance and all those things.

682
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:14,480
But we will certainly look to improve on
your existing landscape code. We will

683
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:19,520
not totally remove as the the thing
about landscape code is certificate of

684
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:22,520
occupancy.
>> That's

685
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:29,840
until somebody wants a certificate of
occupancy in November and they can't

686
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:35,760
plant the landscape until next spring.
>> Eight months. Yeah. That's like bring

687
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:38,159
back to wrap this up pretty quick. I
don't know if it's done through

688
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:42,880
presentation but
>> almost we have no more activity for you

689
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:49,280
guys. So I will
>> of course not the duplexes being

690
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:53,600
» and talking about how heavyhanded we
want to be because I don't I don't know

691
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:58,000
it's really duplexes it's like cheap
housing or or things that are going to

692
01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:01,600
look rund down or out of place. That's
something that I'd like to talk about

693
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:07,440
here. you know how talking about maybe
having and how many requirements and

694
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:11,800
facads and things like that that we
don't care how many people fit in there

695
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,719
» how do you agree neighborhood it's been
20 years we'll do something with the

696
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:20,880
city right
>> well I'll end the density is still an

697
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:25,840
issue for me like we do need to get more
defined off how many duplexes are we

698
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:30,560
going to allow piece of l like can't we
set that like maybe we don't agree with

699
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:35,280
how many are being fed into a certain
And there's nothing wrong with us saying

700
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:40,800
I get [clears throat] your lot size
variations but we can come up with what

701
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:48,960
we feel comfortable allowing
>> yeah like dirt it's black and white 40%

702
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:55,040
of any type of vision can be duplexes so
yeah so thatation that can happen

703
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:59,360
» I don't want to prolong it but you're in
a kind of unique position because you've

704
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:03,679
worked with the city for a year or so
Now, talking about the foundations,

705
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:08,480
what's maybe one thing that you see in
our code that we should think about when

706
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:11,360
we're addressing in these meetings? Um,
because you're very familiar with our

707
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:15,199
code, but yet Lance travels throughout
every city and runs these presentations.

708
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:18,400
So, I'm just interested in your quick
opinion.

709
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:24,000
» Yeah. The biggest items for me working
to implement your code on a daily basis

710
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:30,800
is having a list of zoning districts
that are functional that make sense that

711
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:34,800
cover all of the different or different
possibilities of development and within

712
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:40,320
those zoning districts having a
concentrated thought process in what's

713
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:44,800
allowed and then when you get to a point
to where use is appropriate. What are my

714
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:49,199
setbacks? What is my maximum height? So
just that basic that real basic

715
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:54,560
understanding land uses where can I
build it how do I build it mass and sus

716
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:57,520
and those types of things uh are the
biggest issues that we currently have

717
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:03,520
with
>> those are the foundational

718
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:06,640
zoning 101ies what else if I said
anything else

719
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:11,280
» I think uses is a huge problem that's
why you all see so many cases is because

720
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:15,679
we at some point went down the laundry
list versus the use list so right Now,

721
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:20,640
Beller doesn't even allow restaurants
>> anywhere in the city. You can't build

722
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:23,840
» anywhere in the city. Restaurant without
That's right.

723
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:28,560
» So, that's an issue. That's a problem.
>> Unfortunately, that was done on purpose.

724
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:34,640
No, it was done on purpose when I first
moved up here. They That was a source of

725
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:39,199
pride for
misplaced pride in my opinion, but that

726
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:44,800
was a source of pride. They wanted to
lock it down. So again, wrap yourself

727
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:48,640
up. We are out of time.
>> You guys are in charge. So you guys tell

728
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:53,920
us
okay

729
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:58,960
» pretty brief individually. I'll give you
90 seconds so that we can wrap it up

730
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:06,120
quickly. You're going to mark three
priorities that you think we need to

731
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:06,120
focus on for this.

732
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,080
Sorry.

733
01:14:22,566 --> 01:14:24,586
[laughter]

734
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:35,880
» Your call.
>> Circle them, underline them, however you

735
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:35,880
want to identify them on your paper.

736
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:45,719
Does anybody need a pen? I think they
already got one.

737
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:20,679
keep them. I will take them at the end.

738
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:29,280
» Yeah, I think what we'll do is then last
three. Yeah, I know.

739
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:32,320
» We're gonna have you guys try to find
some commonality, but I think what we'll

740
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:37,199
do is we'll just take them when you're
done and then we'll go back and do some

741
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:42,239
analysis and we'll just start next
meeting with our next workshop with that

742
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:46,560
uh to see where you guys agree.
>> Well, then turns out I had a data

743
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:49,840
question. Are you going back and if so,
how are to see what kind of cases are

744
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:55,440
you seeing
>> to see a pattern of what people are

745
01:15:51,840 --> 01:16:00,080
asking for having to look at?
We know I feel pretty confident

746
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:04,239
anecdotally for the last year and a
half, but before that we we haven't

747
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:08,239
talked about it, but I think that's
probably a really good idea.

748
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:11,679
» So I told Paul and I talk about all the
time if you've got a variance case

749
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:17,600
that's the same variance case every
time. You might want to change your ide

750
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:20,960
if you can see data points and actually
see our

751
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:25,120
» things that we're constantly saying yes
to that should be helpful. Well, and

752
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:28,560
just a reminder, you've only had a
couple of cases because up until

753
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:33,600
recently, we haven't had a board of
zoning appeals. So, you're those cases

754
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:38,320
have not been bought, right? You'll
you'll see more of the zoning change of

755
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:41,679
uses, you know, those kinds of things.
But as a BCA, you've not seen a lot of

756
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:47,040
variance cases. So,
>> you see other ones and see absolutely

757
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:50,560
then you can decide does that fit our
plan and then decide whether we want to

758
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:53,760
adopt it. But it gives you more data
points to actually help the kids to make

759
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,840
their decisions off of.
>> Oh, for sure.

760
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:02,480
» That's a great point. So, one I'll just
end here. So, the next workshop we have,

761
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:06,480
we will be looking at those core
building blocks. We will bring to you

762
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:10,960
guys what we recommend are your zoning
districts and we will be working through

763
01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:15,360
what uses are allowed in which zoning
districts. So, we'll be digging in

764
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:19,760
technically on the next workshop. After
that, that's the foundation or the

765
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:23,520
foundation. to the next workshop. So the
third workshop will be looking at the

766
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:29,840
regulations within those district
groups. So lot sizes, max length, I set

767
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:34,239
that more technical details. And then
workshop four which to Ted I didn't I

768
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:39,760
should have answered Ted's question with
also this caveat is the other big piece

769
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:45,040
is process and procedures that we have
in our Z today need overhaul. So we will

770
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:49,360
be looking at process and procedures and
implementation in workshop four. You

771
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:53,920
need more workshops. We'll travel down
that road when we get there. Are all of

772
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:56,880
these combined city council?
>> Yes.

773
01:17:54,560 --> 01:18:02,719
» Okay. Would it be possible to have a
single planning commission workshop?

774
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:06,159
» I'm not opposed to it. I like it just to
have you guys together sometimes because

775
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:10,800
you guys work together, right? And you
got to have that relationship.

776
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:14,880
» So you get more Yep. There's two groups
here once.

777
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:20,239
» Yeah. No, I think we can definitely game
plan that. I'm not opposed to it anyway.

778
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:25,280
So, questions for me before the mayor
kicks me out of those doors. [laughter]

779
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:29,280
» It's always going to keep
>> literally.

780
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:32,960
If you have any questions, reach out.
So, shoot them to Paula and Ted. They

781
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:35,199
know how to get a hold of us. And just
don't give out my personal information.

782
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:37,040
Paul,
>> I'm doing it.

783
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:39,760
» You guys,
>> I'm so doing it.

784
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:46,120
» All right. Now you guys can have fun
with the budget.

785
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:46,120
» Thank you so much. That was really

786
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:51,239
» just remember the buzzing

787
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,040
question.

788
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:55,040
Okay, let's continue the workshop with
the uh presentation of the final draft

789
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:59,920
of the 2027 budget, all funds. And I
think Mr. Barry Smith is going to help

790
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:05,440
us learn all about this. Thank you.
>> Oh, yes. Good evening, Mayor Council. Uh

791
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:11,199
tonight is the overall draft of the
fiscal year 27 budget. Um we'll

792
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:15,520
um review all the funds we've already
presented. Um this time we'll also have

793
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:19,679
the non- taxing funds included like
streets, land bank, equipment reserve,

794
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:22,880
bond and interest. Um the goal of
tonight is just to receive comments and

795
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:27,138
feedback and if there's anything else we
need to change before our hearing on the

796
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:30,400
first.
[snorts]

797
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:34,719
Just to recap with general fund, um, our
2027 valuation estimate came in at just

798
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:38,273
over 142 and a half million, which was
increased from about 130 million the

799
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:41,600
year prior.
[snorts] What does this mean for the

800
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:48,080
city? At the same mill levy as last
year, we'll generate um about 520ome or

801
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:53,040
514,000 more dollars in property taxes
that we levy. our revenue neutral rate,

802
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:58,239
which was if we didn't levy a dollar
more than we did the year prior, would

803
01:24:55,360 --> 01:25:02,320
equate out to the 37.390 mills number
there. So, if we didn't generate one

804
01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:06,159
more dollar of tax revenue than we did
for this year in 26, that's what the

805
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,320
overall mill levy would be at the end of
the day.

806
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:15,199
Here's a breakdown of the valuation
estimate we received. breaks it out into

807
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:19,199
real estate which is all real and
personal property like businesses and

808
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:22,400
commercials and residential housing
personal property status assess

809
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:27,199
utilities and which [clears throat]
makes up our overall valuation. We had

810
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:31,440
an overall increase of 9.66%
um from 26 to 27.

811
01:25:30,674 --> 01:25:36,480
[snorts]
So what's that mean? If we keep the same

812
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:43,679
mill levy for a $250,000 house, the
average increase of that 9.6% was 6.63%.

813
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:50,480
So, the owner of a $250,000 home will
roughly pay $70 more in taxes in fiscal

814
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:53,840
year 27 than they did this year in 26.
Um,

815
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:56,719
and we last time we presented, we had
those various various different

816
01:25:55,199 --> 01:26:01,000
calculation models and methods up there.
So, that's what those other three charts

817
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,000
are.

818
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:07,360
So, I added in this slide for this
presentation, which was the Epic Sports

819
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:11,040
IRB that was recently um voted upon at
our last meeting.

820
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:14,719
This is a unique opportunity. I have
never had this happen um during a budget

821
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:18,400
cycle where an IRB sold midway through
the year and not as planned at the very

822
01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:22,480
end of the year. So, I reached out to
the county and figured out how they

823
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:26,639
actually do this. And the appraisers's
office, their answer was they'll take

824
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:30,880
the total valuation of that property
divided by 365.

825
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:34,000
Whatever day is it sold, if there's 100
days left, they take that number times

826
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:38,000
those 100 days, and that's what will
come back on the tax roll for this

827
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:42,560
budget cycle.
So what does that basically mean? Well,

828
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:48,800
that original valuation number I just
talked about will actually increase to

829
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:54,480
146 million. Um, which will actually I
miss I didn't update that one. It's 143

830
01:26:50,719 --> 01:27:00,480
million. The no value goes from 142 543
to 143 415. Since we've already set our

831
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:05,600
cap of how many property tax dollars we
can levy, that automatically pushes down

832
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:11,600
the overall mill rate when it's
calculated out. So, I calculated this

833
01:27:08,639 --> 01:27:14,800
based on a September 1st sale date,
which I think it's going to sell this

834
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:19,520
week or next. So, it actually be a
little bit more. But even though our at

835
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:24,800
our hearing our mill levy is going to be
41.003, 003 at the end of the year in

836
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:31,040
November when those final taxation extra
abstracts come out our mill levy should

837
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:34,960
be around that 40.753 number
and that's exactly how these IRB

838
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:39,199
incentives are designed to work right
when they come back on the tax role we

839
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:42,960
absorb that into our property tax
dollars which drives down the levy for

840
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:47,570
everyone citywide especially
residentials users since those are our

841
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:50,639
highest tax base
[snorts]

842
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,199
don't hold me to that Exactly. It is an
estimate. It's the first time I've been

843
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:58,080
through this, but it should be hopefully
it's pretty close to that number there.

844
01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:01,199
So, general fund, all of our revenues,
what are those made up of? fines and

845
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:06,480
fees charged for service, property
taxes, sales taxes, um very small amount

846
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:10,400
of those grants and other [snorts]
once that revenue bucket um all the

847
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:14,560
revenues come in that bucket tips over
and that's how we pay for everything all

848
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:18,239
of our city services that the general
fund provides which is administration,

849
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:21,840
wreck, PD, parks and facilities,
planning and zoning and then all of our

850
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:28,639
transfers to bond and interest our debt
service payments etc. [snorts]

851
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:32,080
Not much. Well, nothing has changed
within all the departments. I can run

852
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:36,960
through each one again if you want to or
I can kind of skim back to the last

853
01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:43,719
slide of general fund.
>> Yeah. If anybody wants to go through any

854
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:43,719
of these details and just say so.

855
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:51,520
» Okay.
>> So, city manager, we're going to split

856
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:54,719
an FTE um to assist with rec retention.
We have some additional monies budgeted

857
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:58,560
for engineering and legal services
regarding Willon. It's there if we need

858
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:01,679
it. If we don't need it, we don't spend
it.

859
01:29:00,276 --> 01:29:05,520
[snorts] Um engineering on call
engineering services are maintaining

860
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:08,239
that PUC. Um added in some extra money
for other additional engineering

861
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:11,600
services, plan review for new
subdivision developments, things like

862
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:15,679
that.
Of our finance department, we're g one

863
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:20,560
of us can do the KUCPM course and we
added that new waterwork software. We're

864
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:25,199
going to continue that for 27.
um governing body highlights here is

865
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:30,960
just the annual chamber dues that we're
gonna um start providing and then we

866
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:36,000
increase hotel and travel because LKM
will be in Kansas City next year for

867
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:41,542
anyone that wants to attend. [snorts]
Human resources actually had a slight

868
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:44,800
deduction reduction from 26.
[snorts] Um legal is going to get the

869
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:46,800
other half that FTE we mentioned when
talking about the city manager

870
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:51,040
department. It's going to help with
record retention. um sight increasing

871
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,600
quantities and reducing contractuals for
additional legal services.

872
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:58,400
Question
>> I don't I don't want to get hung up on

873
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:01,920
details, but we're we're going to talk
about the chamber in November, but

874
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:05,760
that's just budgeted.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Budgeted, I guess, would be

875
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:09,707
the proper word.
>> Sarah, if you need it, if we don't need

876
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:12,800
it, don't got to spend it.
[snorts]

877
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:17,440
» Um court moving one part-time employee
to full-time employee. um reduction in

878
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,199
various items within the commodities,
training, dues, memberships, supplies,

879
01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:26,320
and furniture. Um we're looking at the
addition of that diversion project for

880
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:29,760
2027 and the utilization of code
enforcement cases through municipal

881
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:36,159
court start that process.
>> Just just a comment on that. I'm kind of

882
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:39,679
concerned about the amount of cases
we're running through court and

883
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:46,800
especially the continuitances.
Um, I'm not saying change this, but I I

884
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:51,679
do want to see us find a way to reduce
that significantly because I that's

885
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:54,560
expensive, especially continuences
because every time you have continuous,

886
01:30:53,199 --> 01:31:00,400
especially if you had police officers
had to come in or, you know, everybody

887
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:05,679
has got to come back again and we're
paying them every time they come. So we

888
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:10,960
need to really work on on that and I
know Mia and I have had some discussion

889
01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:16,719
about that but uh we need to see what we
can do in that area. So,

890
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:20,880
» and if I might not, you did great. Uh,
the difficult part, too. And we can we

891
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:25,440
can talk about continuations. That's
kind of a separate matter and just the

892
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:28,960
total volume as we grow. It's it's we
really just, you know, the more people

893
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:33,040
you have, the more cases tickets you're
going to write and cases you're going to

894
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:37,440
have as well. And I think that's part of
the growing pains as well. I'm not I'm

895
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:42,000
not saying we can't do measures to help
reduce those numbers. It's just it we're

896
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:47,520
really noticing that especially in um on
the court and PD side is as we get

897
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:52,719
bigger the more more tickets more uh
misdemeanors and actually felonies as

898
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:57,600
well. I think some of those too I'm not
the expert at it but uh um it's um it's

899
01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:01,400
one of those things that's tough as you
get keep growing.

900
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:08,239
» Yes, I do I think Marie has done a
fantastic job with Missile Core moving

901
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:13,040
forward. Um, we actually received our
draft audit today and I think we're one

902
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:19,360
audit away from having any reference of
Miss Pakort totally off there. So, kudos

903
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:24,000
to Maria. Um, work with me on the
internal control side of things, making

904
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:28,623
sure everything's flushed out. Um, so
just want to give Maria a quick shout

905
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,623
out on that one. [snorts]

906
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:37,440
Uh for police, no or we had an FT um
full-time records clerk back in 26 27 no

907
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:42,960
additional personnel were requested. Um
just minor adjustments here and there to

908
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:47,360
commodities contractuals moving forward.
>> The pool um some increase for chemical

909
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:54,040
costs at the pool and we also did
include $35,000 for the coping repair

910
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,040
next year at the pool.

911
01:32:54,400 --> 01:33:02,159
» Day camp. no significant changes for
2026. Um,

912
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:06,960
recreation in general, increased the
event planning line item to help with

913
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:10,000
those events throughout the year. And
for the capital projects, still waiting

914
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:14,320
on getting that final direction on the
rec center there. Um, when we get down

915
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:19,280
to the CIP reserve fund later, we'll
talk a little bit about the maintenance

916
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:25,280
items for the rec center. [snorts]
Senior services, no significant changes.

917
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:29,440
Land development, the special
assessments there, 42,000 of that will

918
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:36,159
expire this year. So that's why you see
our commodity line item there go from 79

919
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:39,679
to 37 for 27. Uh 33,000 of that 37 will
expire at the end of 35. So that's

920
01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:43,920
slowly going down as we pay off those
special assessments. [snorts]

921
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:48,560
This is where our land um debt service
transfer comes from. So we bring in

922
01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:52,800
property tax revenues into the general
fund. It gets transferred from the land

923
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:56,320
uh department out of the general fund
into our public building commission fund

924
01:33:54,480 --> 01:34:00,880
to make that debt service payment. So if
you follow the money trail, that's where

925
01:33:57,679 --> 01:34:07,040
that's how that goes. [snorts]
Parks. Um we added a facilities manager

926
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:12,239
position back in 2026 as James Miller
who's also here with us today. Um done a

927
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,719
great job so far. correct quantities. We
increased a little bit in playground

928
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:19,360
equipment, replacement maintenance,
vehicle equipment maintenance, um all

929
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:24,800
those reoccurring items there. We moved
all the capital items out to CIP. So the

930
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:28,320
general fund for 27 is essentially
strictly operating. The only really

931
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:32,420
capital item in there is that pool
coping for 27 [snorts]

932
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:39,600
planning and zoning. We had $30,000 this
year for the zoning code updates that we

933
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:44,080
just had the workshop on downstairs. We
reduce that to 7500 in 2027 for

934
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:48,159
additional enhancements to the zoning
code miscellaneous um engineering

935
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:52,120
service needs which through PC and
zoning code that's what that is

936
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:59,760
for the facilities department here at
city hall. We have that personnel

937
01:34:58,239 --> 01:35:04,800
placeholder for the compensation
classification study for all general

938
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:10,320
fund employees only. We budget that at
300,000 does not mean we'll spend that.

939
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:14,560
Um, it just means we have room if the
competence class study says we need to

940
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:18,320
go that route. So, it's just sitting
there if we need it. [snorts]

941
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:23,280
This also handles the transfer to our
CIP reserve fund. 415,000 100,000 to

942
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:27,120
equipment reserve and 850,000 to the
streets fund for the streets annual

943
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:30,719
maintenance program.
>> Can we go back a slide or two slides?

944
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:34,960
Now,
>> this one

945
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:41,600
» we one more. So we had you had an
engineering one where we pay PEC

946
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:46,400
a retainer
to do services for us,

947
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:53,679
» but then I seem to see a bill every time
we ask PC to do anything for us. What is

948
01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:59,280
the the money we pay them on a monthly a
regular basis bias?

949
01:35:56,719 --> 01:36:05,520
» Sure. Um, [clears throat] so if you see
a bill for and a lot of what you'll see

950
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:09,920
on the AP ordinance might be related to
inspection services for a certain

951
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:14,560
project. So that means we contract them
through a work order um that they'll

952
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:18,480
inspect that particular project that's
spread then spread on special

953
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:24,880
assessments to the benefiting lot. What
PC does for us on a monthly basis, boy,

954
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:29,440
a lot. Um, one they we were talking
earlier, Lance and Paula will review

955
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:34,000
cases together. Um, I think they have a
one once a week meeting. Um, that's a

956
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:38,960
little bit of it. And we'll have all the
reviews that we have for those

957
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:45,760
subdivision projects they'll do um with
under that MSA or that on call

958
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:50,639
agreement. Um they also have um MS4
permit regulations that they handle for

959
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:57,360
us that takes a load off an and her uh
staff. Um we also have a general uh the

960
01:36:54,800 --> 01:37:02,000
traffic study you're going to hear next
uh Tuesday from Tam Asure is done

961
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:10,000
underneath that agreement. So these
little little uh projects that I don't

962
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:14,880
can't really give u uh that uh maybe
take their professional traffic engineer

963
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:21,119
five hours to do. We don't have to go
out to bid or uh go out to a single work

964
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:24,560
order. We just put it under that um that
MSA.

965
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:27,760
» So there's probably 20 other examples
and I'll probably I can write I can

966
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,159
write a good report on it if if you'd
like, but those are the ones that come

967
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:34,800
top of mind.
>> Okay. [snorts] Thank you.

968
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:39,679
» Another one of those is since we don't
have a um GIS technician on staff,

969
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:45,360
whenever a new subdivision comes online,
they submit those GIS asbuilts with the

970
01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:50,639
um final asbuilt documents after
construction's completed. Then PEC gets

971
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:55,360
those uploaded to our GIS system for us.
That's not the big thing to do.

972
01:37:53,452 --> 01:37:58,639
[snorts]
>> Barry, while you're on that one, I did

973
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:04,719
have a quick comment or question. No,
the the next one. Uh, so we talked a

974
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:07,920
little bit about moving Sky View Park
forward.

975
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:10,639
Where would that come from in this
budget?

976
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:16,320
» That would be the CIP reserve funds.
>> Okay. So, that $415,000

977
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:19,520
transfer is what would be covering at
least part of that

978
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:23,239
» if we move that forward. Okay. Yeah, I
just wanted to clarify that.

979
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:30,400
So here's just a brief overview of
everything, all the highlights from each

980
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:35,119
of those slides there.
And then here's our overall revenues in,

981
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:40,159
expenditures out, and change in fund
balance. So the fiscal year 25 actual

982
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:45,520
numbers are from our draft audit we just
received today. Um, so through 2027,

983
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:49,119
we'll be down to around 24.4% of our
annual revenues.

984
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:52,458
So I think we're sitting at a good spot
there. [snorts]

985
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:58,320
There's a note down there about the
recent legislation. If they did pass

986
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:04,159
that 3% cap this year, that would have
caused a reduction of 355,000 in

987
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:09,440
property tax dollars. So that reduction
with all expenses in this budget would

988
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:15,383
result in a deficit of 643 instead of
293 that it's currently at. This is just

989
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:15,383
side note. [snorts]

990
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:24,480
Utility funds. We went over this um at
our last workshop or no regular council

991
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:28,080
meeting um talking about water, sewer,
storm, and solid waste. Water fund

992
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:34,560
highlights. Um everything in here
includes a 0% increase for 2027. We're

993
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:38,719
adding in 75,000 additional for our
personnel for the comp class study.

994
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:44,480
maintaining our water tower maintenance
at 75, water meter replacement program,

995
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:50,639
GIS information input, uh maintain wish
purchase, CCA operations, debt payments

996
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:54,639
were adjusted, um included 75,000 for
water sampling stations. Those are the

997
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:58,400
blue water sampling stations you'll see
outside along the roads now, which makes

998
01:39:56,239 --> 01:40:02,080
collecting samples a lot easier. Um as
we grow, we'll get those installed

999
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:07,119
around town, make that process very much
more efficient. [snorts]

1000
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:11,760
Then also included is the 930,000 for
water line replacements [clears throat]

1001
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:15,040
which was our 10-year CIP plan for that.
Once again, these are just maintaining

1002
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:20,880
what we have. Nothing new, nothing
additional at this point.

1003
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:28,840
So our change in fund balance there from
25 through 27, we are expected to be

1004
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:28,840
down around 27% of revenues.

1005
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:38,639
I do want to point out here, you'll see
the capital projects line for 27.

1006
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:44,000
There's $ 1.92
million budgeted for that. And then down

1007
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:48,960
here, you'll only see a reduction of
700,000 in fund balance. That's because

1008
01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:53,920
right now, currently, I have the 2026
waterline project also budgeted in 27

1009
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:58,560
because it's looking like it might roll
over depending on the timing of 45th

1010
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:03,360
Street and that main replacement itself.
So it's in there so we don't have to

1011
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:08,360
amend the budget next year.
If we don't need to use it once again it

1012
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:08,360
won't be used

1013
01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:18,960
as pursuer once again includes 0%
increase for 27. We got the additional

1014
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:23,280
funds for the common class study 120,000
for chemicals. That's the chemical

1015
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:27,520
injections at the lift stations once we
get that original or that main hole

1016
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:32,639
project up and going and completed.
um 80,000 in system maintenance and

1017
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:36,960
repairs, CCUA payments were adjusted. Um
the fence or wall around the Harding

1018
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:40,400
lift station. Um and then we're still
working on refining that CIP plan

1019
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:43,760
longterm from there. But right now
currently we do have that manhole

1020
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:48,080
project skated system all budgeted in
there.

1021
01:41:45,325 --> 01:41:52,719
[snorts] So from 25 to 27, those are our
fund balance changes. Uh we get down to

1022
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:57,199
a 61% fund balance by the end of 27.
still sitting in a pretty good position

1023
01:41:54,800 --> 01:42:02,960
even with the 0% rate increases for
water and sewer for 27

1024
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:06,239
solid waste. We just budget our accounts
that we have that have trash accounts

1025
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:09,920
revenue in expenses out via the
contract. Pretty straightforward. We did

1026
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:13,679
transfer an additional 100,000 from
solid waste to streets since the fund

1027
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:18,000
balance could handle it and we're going
to be sitting around 32% at the end of

1028
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:23,199
27
>> and that's the rates on that are set in

1029
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:25,440
contract. So we don't have a we won't
have a rate increase this year, right?

1030
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:29,920
» Correct.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1031
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:32,239
» Whenever that is it July to June?
>> June.

1032
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:36,960
» Yeah. So June. Yeah. I think that's when
the first rate increase will take

1033
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:40,719
effect. [snorts]
>> Storm water fund. We talked pretty

1034
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:44,880
extensive extensively about this um at
the last meeting. Um our fund balance

1035
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:49,920
will be down to around 20,000 at the end
of 2027. Um we workshop some ideas.

1036
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:56,000
We'll bring back uh some potential
solutions to that later on.

1037
01:42:54,239 --> 01:43:00,159
So non- taxing funds, where does the
money come from for the streets fund?

1038
01:42:58,480 --> 01:43:03,271
Comes from fuel taxes from the state and
the county transfers from the general

1039
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:07,040
fund.
[snorts] Land bank is just straight land

1040
01:43:04,639 --> 01:43:12,000
sales. Bond and interest is transfers in
from general fund, water fund, sewer

1041
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:16,639
fund. Equipment reserve transfer in from
general water and sewer. And CIP is a

1042
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:19,840
transfer in from general. So these are
all funds that are budgeted and the

1043
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:23,199
primary funds are just coming into these
funds that are non-budgeted or non-

1044
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:26,639
taxing.
SH's fund like I said relies heavily on

1045
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:31,040
the gas taxes from the state and the
county. I think we're it's around

1046
01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:35,920
338,000 that we get from both state and
county fuel taxes. Um and then the

1047
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:42,800
transfer from the general fund for the
streets plan. So 27 we maintain those

1048
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:50,960
transfers. Um the fuel tax estimates
surprisingly did increase for 27 about

1049
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:55,520
19%. Um up from 26 or 25 expenditures
the 2027 street maintenance plan 950,000

1050
01:43:53,840 --> 01:44:01,567
pave street repair gravel repair snow
and ice material and removal. Um

1051
01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:04,239
currently working with our street
[clears throat] maintenance plan

1052
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:08,080
individuals to get that continuous
five-year plan rolling. I think Ted

1053
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:14,480
touched on that our last meeting about
what next five years consists of

1054
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:20,520
fund balance there. Um get down to about
200,000 at the end of fiscal year 27

1055
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:20,520
which is about 14%.

1056
01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:27,760
» Can you remind us again what the the
target revenue or balance ending

1057
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:33,199
percentages?
>> So in our comprehensive plan it's

1058
01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:36,320
anywhere between 17 and 30. 17 would be
>> so 30 is the high end

1059
01:44:34,719 --> 01:44:39,440
» there. There's no official number.
That's kind of our targets like right

1060
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:43,119
between 17 and 30. Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1061
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:48,719
» That's I I wouldn't say this fund's
different, but it's a unique fund in

1062
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:53,520
that it only handles streets and um I I
think we would like to continue to

1063
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:57,840
bolster that to probably 17%, but we're
we're comfortable it resting at 14

1064
01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:01,119
knowing we have transfers available or
any anything to bolster it up. But a lot

1065
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:05,280
of this expense is the street
maintenance repair that we do on a

1066
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:10,560
yearly basis. So, we're pretty
comfortable in the controls elements of

1067
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:14,480
this um fund. We're not quite relying on
the state and county fuel tax

1068
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:20,960
distribution because it is
>> 300,000 of a million

1069
01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:26,000
» budget. I will say that just to keep it
alive, I've been doing this for a long

1070
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:30,239
time and what fuel tax brings in doesn't
nowhere near covers the the street

1071
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:35,040
maintenance uh that you need to do on
streets. not a proponent of increasing

1072
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:40,159
it, but it hasn't changed since I think
1997. So, it's something that maybe the

1073
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:45,280
state legislators want to grapple with,
but nothing kind of out of our hands.

1074
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:50,000
» I think they actually were toying with
the idea of doing a holiday on that tax,

1075
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:53,840
but that it didn't go any worse. And I
hope it never does because that I don't

1076
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:58,000
think they understand where that money
goes. It's just kind of an interesting

1077
01:45:55,920 --> 01:46:03,280
point and you know property taxes are
100% subsidizing the streets uh which is

1078
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:07,280
a fine process. I just want to make sure
everybody understands that your your car

1079
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:12,440
taxes aren't really going to maintain
the streets.

1080
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:12,440
» Okay.

1081
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:20,480
And then another point on that that
percentage there, the streets fund, it

1082
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:24,719
doesn't have any um dedicated bills like
debt service that we have to pay every

1083
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:28,320
year with just streets money. So that
that threshold is a little more relaxed

1084
01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:32,480
in this case. Now, if this a general
fund or water or sewer, yeah, we would

1085
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:36,080
need to be getting that back up there
within that range for sure. Um because

1086
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:39,760
we have those debt service payments for
a long time coming out of those funds.

1087
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:43,760
So Barry, just to kind of restate that
what you're saying is the control as you

1088
01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:47,360
referred to really this is an annual
fund that every year this body is

1089
01:46:45,679 --> 01:46:51,520
approving. Yep, we're going to spend a
million or we're going to spend 600,000

1090
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:55,199
or we're going to spend 1.5 depending on
our priority. And that's kind of why you

1091
01:46:53,600 --> 01:47:02,159
feel more comfortable because it's more
project annual focused and less

1092
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:06,080
» we can change it a lot more than some of
the other contractuals.

1093
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:10,719
» Yeah. And and this comes from the
fiveyear street plan. So yeah.

1094
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:14,800
» Right.
>> Yeah. Based on that plan, if four years

1095
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:19,679
from now we're going to need $1.3
million to do that annual plan, well,

1096
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:24,619
we'll track our spending. So we do have
that within our means at that point in

1097
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:28,400
time. So it's going to eb and flow.
[snorts]

1098
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:34,719
Land bank. Not much out of here. We just
get some interest every year um and let

1099
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:39,360
our balance sit. We started off at 6.2
million25. Then we transferred out um

1100
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:43,199
the city portion of the base grant for
the public works building. So that

1101
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:48,159
building is completely 100% paid for in
cash. No debt service needed for that

1102
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:52,719
project. So great use of funds. Saved a
bond payment for 20 years. Um by the end

1103
01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:56,760
of 27, we're still sitting around a $3.7
million fund balance.

1104
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:04,239
An interest fund. This is just what pays
our debt. It's funded by transfers in

1105
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:08,320
general fund water sewer. Um special
assessments also go here and it goes

1106
01:48:06,719 --> 01:48:14,159
right back out to pay the debt service
for our annual payments.

1107
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:20,719
» Barry, I'm sorry I'm slow.
>> If we go back to the land bank,

1108
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:25,760
um are there any restrictions on how
we're allowed to use this money?

1109
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:28,210
» So that's a that's a fun loaded
question. [laughter]

1110
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:35,520
um inside the land bank. Yes. But um the
council always has the option to

1111
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:40,480
dissolve completely dissolve the land
bank and transfer those funds into the

1112
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:45,760
general. That would be the the big uh
the big swing. But uh pretty much you

1113
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:51,360
can use them for some economic
development. Um there I'm losing the my

1114
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:54,960
mind on the state statute because we uh
we just discussed it when we did that

1115
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:59,600
transfer for the public works, but it's
it's relatively flexible in the type of

1116
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:01,760
needs that you would like to use that
money on.

1117
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:04,880
» Okay. Thank you.
>> What was the source of that funds where

1118
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:10,320
that where that money come from?
>> That would be all our all the land sales

1119
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:14,960
we've done over the last 10 years. Yeah.
>> Thank you.

1120
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:19,639
And this is the remaining amount from
those sales. It's the remaining amount.

1121
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:19,639
Correct.

1122
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:28,080
» Interest payments. Equipment reserve
fund. This is funded by general fund

1123
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:33,760
water and sewer. Our annual transfers
there. The 400,000 comes in per year. We

1124
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:36,400
take that 400,000 in per year and budget
out all of the equipment. I know it's

1125
01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:39,840
really hard to read. Sorry. I tried to
fit it all in there just to show it. Um,

1126
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:46,639
[laughter] but it has all of our admin,
parks and wreck, parks, um, water,

1127
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:52,159
sewer, streets, uh, PD, fleet, and heavy
equipment on the schedule planned out

1128
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:55,280
for 10 years. So, right now, as of what
we currently have, we have a replacement

1129
01:49:53,679 --> 01:49:58,560
plan for it over that time frame. And
this will more than fund that program as

1130
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:04,880
we move across that 10ear period.
>> And and we don't want to be here till

1131
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:10,320
9:30, but um, this is kind of the Barry
and Ted version. The James version is a

1132
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:15,840
lot more in depth and uh he could he
could fill you with um tons of knowledge

1133
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:20,880
that we've even learned from this our
new hire. I'm very very happy with James

1134
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:26,056
and what he's doing to just make us
rethink the fleet maintenance

1135
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:29,840
completely. Um, I mean, we're talking
[snorts] uh how much it costs per mile

1136
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:32,800
on on certain vehicles, probably proper
fleet ma maintenance, but he's actually

1137
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:37,760
doing it and we're going to start
implementing here and there uh to one

1138
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:43,520
save taxpayer money, but two, but have
reliable vehicles uh at all times. So,

1139
01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:47,760
um, again, I'll I'll let James take the
podium at a later date when he's ready,

1140
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:51,760
but, uh, very impressed with his work
and I think you'll see a lot of fruits,

1141
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:56,080
uh, and honestly, a lot of return on
that investment we made this year.

1142
01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:59,119
» Barry, one other thing I I didn't want
to cut you off when you were doing that,

1143
01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:04,480
but I did want to touch one more time on
the land bank money. Um, just wanted to

1144
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:07,840
make a statement. One, thank you. And
some of we all [clears throat] know

1145
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:12,320
this, but the fact that we were able to
build the public works facility with the

1146
01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:15,840
grant and do it with no debt is amazing.
And I think that you guys deserve a lot

1147
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:19,520
of credit for staying on that and making
it work. But also, we have to remember

1148
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:23,840
that the reason why we had those funds
was because we borrowed a lot of money,

1149
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:27,760
bought a lot of land that,
you know, generated that issue. But at

1150
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:31,520
least we put some of those funds back to
use and paying for a facility that's

1151
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:36,719
going to benefit the city for decades.
But I'll also

1152
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:41,360
say that I don't like the idea of
keeping that money in that bank for too

1153
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:45,199
much longer. I'd like to see us put that
back into the community in a way that

1154
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:50,159
could be a value proposition for our
community and we can start benefiting

1155
01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:55,199
from whatever that thing is in the in
the nearer future. Um,

1156
01:51:53,520 --> 01:52:00,159
this body has no control over what the
next body might do, but that money could

1157
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:03,280
be spent any number of ways. Um, so I
just put that out there that we need to

1158
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:11,000
be thinking about how we can put that
money to use for the community.

1159
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:11,000
» Definitely. Yes, we need to.

1160
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:22,480
» So for 2027 out [clears throat] of
equipment reserve fund, we have two PD

1161
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:28,400
responders um scheduled. the PD drone,
the passenger van at the rec center, um

1162
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:36,480
computer replacements, the track Bobcat,
new new Holland TLA or TL100A, um new

1163
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:41,040
mower, and that totals around 443,000.
So that'll get us to a fund balance of

1164
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:44,040
right around 1.1 million in fiscal year
27.

1165
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:53,679
CIP reserve fund. Um, council member
Dean, this is what we'll talk about the

1166
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:57,920
sky view park here. This fund's funded
by the transfer from general fund of

1167
01:52:55,040 --> 01:53:01,599
that 415,000 a year. It's 400,000 for
the projects and we al always do the

1168
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:08,719
15,000 for the sidewalk reimbursement
grant. Um, if that is continued. Um,

1169
01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:12,428
this fund it's
it's like we were talking about with the

1170
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:15,599
zoning code updates downstairs. The CIP
[clears throat] reserve fund, it's a

1171
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:19,840
living breathing document. It can change
anytime we want it to change. Just

1172
01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:22,719
because we have items up here that we
want to talk about does not mean that

1173
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:28,000
they are set in concrete and then we
must do them. It's a non-budgeted fund.

1174
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:32,239
We have no requirements to spend what we
want out of here.

1175
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:38,000
So for based on our discussion last
time, um we got Sky View Park going.

1176
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:42,800
It'll start here in 26. I don't know if
it'll be done in 26, but maybe early 27.

1177
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:46,800
Um, we have 50,000 for engineering
architecture for city hall and the rec

1178
01:53:44,639 --> 01:53:51,679
center. We have an HVAC replacement for
city hall. For the other seven units, I

1179
01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:55,040
think it was um the sidewalk grant
program still in there. And we have

1180
01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:59,119
100,000 for wreck maintenance repairs
and then 150,000 for refreshing existing

1181
01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:06,599
parks.
With all those, at the end of 27, we'll

1182
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:06,599
have a fund balance of around 890,000.

1183
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:15,599
Barry, you might go back one slide and
touch a little bit on what we're

1184
01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:18,639
thinking as far as paying for some of
the drainage improvements. Uh,

1185
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:21,760
» sorry, skip right over that.
>> I think that's a really nice a good idea

1186
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:27,440
that we should touch on.
>> Yeah. So for one of our recent projects

1187
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:31,920
um regarding a lot of drainage
improvements was Voro Park that that

1188
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:36,239
project um there were definitely some
overages along with the city portion

1189
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:40,639
that was guaranteed when we initiated
those projects. So our total city

1190
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:45,360
portion of that project came out around
585,000

1191
01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:50,080
overall all said and done. Um obviously
storm water doesn't have the money to

1192
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:56,400
cover that cost now. So, what we're
proposing is we'll take out a CIP um

1193
01:54:52,960 --> 01:55:00,400
335,000 of that out of CIP this year,
then Storm Water will reimburse CIP

1194
01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:03,360
those funds over the next two fiscal
years.

1195
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:07,440
» I do that.
>> So, essentially instead of bonding it

1196
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:13,440
and paying interest, we're
>> we're using CIP funds, but we'll get

1197
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:17,840
paid back. So, it's it's more of a
So, we're not paying interest on on

1198
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:21,239
money if we have some idle reserve that
we can use.

1199
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:30,000
» Thanks, Ted. Let's skip right over that.
>> Always better to borrow from ourselves.

1200
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:33,440
» You know, it's it made more sense and
and we're getting ready to start

1201
01:55:31,945 --> 01:55:36,560
[snorts] we're getting ready to finish
audit season and go straight into bond

1202
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:40,239
season. So, we wanted to have that
conversation tonight so you guys aren't

1203
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:44,480
surprised or what asking questions.
We'll bring it back up when we roll that

1204
01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:48,320
bond uh in the next couple months.
>> Okay.

1205
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:52,480
» Um
so yeah, that's what we the ideas we

1206
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:57,040
have presented for 2027. If those are
all if we want to do all of those, then

1207
01:55:55,360 --> 01:56:02,239
um that drops our fund balance down to
that 890 611 number at the end of 27.

1208
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:06,719
Once again, this is just a plan. It's
not set in stone. Anything that comes

1209
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:10,800
out of this fund will come before you
for presentation and approval. Um it's

1210
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:13,800
not a blank check or anything like that.
So

1211
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:21,920
we have there um
>> I already have this all inputed in that

1212
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:25,280
state form I talked about last time. So
this is the budget hearing notice that

1213
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:30,080
will be published in the paper on August
20th. Um this is what be sent out. It

1214
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:35,840
shows the actuals for 25, estimates for
26 and proposed budget for 27. It does

1215
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:39,760
say the mill levy is 41.03 003, which is
what we filed on our intent to exceed

1216
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:44,880
the levy form we submitted to the county
in July. So, we're all um up to code

1217
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:49,679
there. Um but once again, I do think
that number will fall around to that

1218
01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:53,920
40.75 number
when November gets here and those final

1219
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:58,800
numbers come out. I didn't realize I
talk with my hand so much. Hang on a

1220
01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:02,719
second. There there's a couple things we
didn't talk about that was mentioned

1221
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:09,599
earlier and I I want to address a few of
them. Uh we are looking at some health

1222
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:14,159
insurance uh options for our um for our
uh employees. That's something that

1223
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:18,400
we're already budgeting for where where
we're at right now. So any cost savings

1224
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:22,880
we'll we'll be able to discuss and and
review with you. The other thing that

1225
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:28,000
didn't quite make it just because I I
didn't think it um economic development,

1226
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:31,599
we've met with a few type of uh there's
some outsourcing e economic development

1227
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:36,480
opportunities.
um the value in that we can have

1228
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:41,199
discussions about it. I just didn't feel
um right now $50,000 for, you know, some

1229
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:45,679
training and some different things
didn't quite match up with me. It didn't

1230
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:48,719
make it to the main board. Um but that's
definitely something that's always on

1231
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:53,280
top of our mind. I do my best to meet
with everyone and uh honestly with all

1232
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:56,639
the housing and the growth we got going
on that we're really starting to get

1233
01:57:54,800 --> 01:58:02,000
recognized. So, how do we how do we
steamroll that into more successes? and

1234
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:06,719
I'm I'm very open for that conversation
and uh but it just didn't quite make it

1235
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:10,639
past the line for what we were looking
at earlier this year. So that that's a

1236
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:16,040
little update on that, but always
welcome to have that discussion with you

1237
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:24,880
» and that's just our remaining schedule.
We'll um we're presenting the final

1238
01:58:23,679 --> 01:58:29,199
draft today. We'll get it published in
the paper on the 20th and then on the

1239
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:34,880
1st we'll hold our revenue neutral rate
hearing. We'll adopt the resolution to

1240
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:40,880
exceed the RNR with a roll call vote at
the hearing and then we'll hold our 2027

1241
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:45,599
budget hearing and um have the item to
adopt the 2027 budget. And the rest of

1242
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:48,880
that is just internal things. We'll
publish it to the website. Then I'll get

1243
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:53,400
everything wrapped up in a nice bow and
send it to Cedric County for submitt.

1244
01:58:53,679 --> 01:58:57,239
That's all I got.

1245
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:04,960
If there's any questions or
>> I I just had a couple of just really

1246
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:08,800
fast things. First of all, thank you
guys. Back in May, hearing all the

1247
01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:12,880
department heads, I'm like, there is
zero nonsense in here. And we used to

1248
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:17,679
subtract out, you know, our land debt.
This is a this is a tight ship you guys

1249
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:23,520
are running. So, thank you. Um, and it's
cool about that IRB that we get that

1250
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:27,599
symbolic drop. Um, kind of painfree. Um,
regarding the water 3%, I know we

1251
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:31,280
touched on the last workshop.
>> So, you guys are comfortable with that

1252
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:35,920
knowing we might need a water tower. You
know, even that even though that fund is

1253
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:40,480
high, you're comfortable doing the
holding the line for now and with the

1254
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:45,760
intent we're going to go back and
continue that 3% increase each year.

1255
01:59:43,679 --> 01:59:50,400
» Yeah, I'm comfortable with the one year
for sure. Um, now once we get ahead and

1256
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:55,760
get into the timing of when that water
tower actually come, we may have to make

1257
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:58,880
a bigger adjustment one year, two years
down the road and then drop back down to

1258
01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:04,199
three. It just all depends on that
timing and the overall cost and how we

1259
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:04,199
approach that.

1260
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:11,920
» Okay.
>> But the the $100,000 difference isn't

1261
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:17,159
going to make a huge impact on a $3
million project if we get to that point.

1262
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:17,159
So, yeah.

1263
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:27,760
Once again, the water and sewer funds
there, [clears throat] even though they

1264
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:31,599
are budgeted at the 0% increase, the
expenditures is what really matters. So,

1265
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:36,800
when we normally do the water and sewer
rates in November, it's fine if we do it

1266
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:40,239
then or don't do it then. Like, it's not
going to affect what we have to have

1267
02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:43,360
certified to the county for our budget.
They're just worried about our

1268
02:00:41,199 --> 02:00:46,880
expenditure side. If we do increase
rates, then our revenues will just come

1269
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:49,840
in a little bit higher. If we keep it at
0%, then it should be pretty close to

1270
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:56,239
what we have on the board here today.
>> So, this is th this doesn't tie us to a

1271
02:00:53,599 --> 02:01:02,639
a no increase. If we decide later that
we we need to do that. Okay. All right.

1272
02:00:59,679 --> 02:01:07,599
That's good to know. I like I would like
probably a little more finite analysis

1273
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:11,360
on that on the water fund because uh
while I thought it was good idea, I

1274
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:15,760
wanted to see the numbers. and you say,
"Well, it it worked on paper, but these

1275
02:01:14,239 --> 02:01:18,159
are some things we didn't think about.
We need to we need to think about

1276
02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:22,159
those." So,
>> and just a quick update, I'm meeting

1277
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:25,440
with the author of our master plan
tomorrow at 9:00, 9:00 in the morning.

1278
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:28,880
So, I'll have some some of that
information to you guys well before we

1279
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:32,639
need to actually make the official
decision in November. I just think it's

1280
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:36,239
important we have these discussions now
during budget season because a lot of

1281
02:01:34,719 --> 02:01:40,560
times we'll get to November and say,
"Oh, I gotta pass this resolution of 3%

1282
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:43,679
increase." We didn't talk about it. So,
I'm glad we're having the conversation

1283
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:46,639
now so that we have an informed
conversation when the fee schedule comes

1284
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:50,440
up. [snorts]
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1285
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:59,760
» Okay. Any other questions or concerns
with budget proposals

1286
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:02,560
because this is what's going to be what
we're going to be asked to approve here

1287
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:06,000
in a couple weeks, right?
>> Yes. Much more condensed, but yes, it

1288
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:09,360
will be. Yes. [laughter]
>> But the entire state form will be in

1289
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:15,960
there to see every fund broken out. um
how we need to report it and submit to

1290
02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:15,960
the county. So, it'll all be in there.

1291
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:24,400
» Okay.
>> Well, thank you very much. I know this a

1292
02:02:21,679 --> 02:02:26,320
lot of work, but it's what you like to
do, right?

1293
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:29,440
» Like I say, it's my most favorite 12
months of the year. So,

1294
02:02:27,599 --> 02:02:33,599
» yeah.
>> Thank you so much.

1295
02:02:31,599 --> 02:02:38,480
» Okay. Well, that's the only issues on
the agenda for tonight. So, uh, thank

1296
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:42,159
you everybody for taking time to to, uh,
go through the planning, the zoning

1297
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:46,480
codes and with the planning commission
and budgets, and I think we're good to

1298
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:50,920
go. So, everybody have a good evening.
We'll see everybody next Tuesday.