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Yeah, we got a lot of things to look at.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. Um, we're good to go.
>> Yep. Recording. Doing all this ready.

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Okay.
>> We've been ready for a few minutes now.

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John,
>> sorry [laughter]

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this
a new chair.

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Uh, let's see. will bring the city of
Belleview Planning and Zoning Commission

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meeting to order for Monday, August
17th, 5:32 p.m. Uh Brian, do you roll

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call?
>> Great. Mr. Hers here.

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» Mr. Here.
>> Okay. Um, notice of agenda compliance

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finding that the regular meeting notice
and agenda were posted in accordance

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with Idaho code 74204 within 48 hours
prior to the meeting of the city city of

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Belleview city hall post office on the
city's website on August 13th.

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» I move the notice for the August 17th,
2026 regular meeting was completed in

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accordance with Idaho code section
74-204.

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» I'll second.
>> Okay. All in favor? I I

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conflict
>> uh [clears throat]

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item DR26-09

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that applicant they are friends of ours.
>> Okay.

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» You have any financial interest?
>> No, sir.

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» Anybody in your family?
>> No, sir.

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» Okay. It's a small town.
>> Yeah.

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» You can get rid of everybody you're
acquainted with. It's gonna be tough.

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» Exactly.
>> Okay. Um, please public comment. Any

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comments for items that are not on the
agenda?

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See, we have couple people online, but I
don't see anybody raising their hand.

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Okay, we'll move on to the consent
agenda.

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think

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I think I was going to take another look

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Uh, you all set? I'm
>> good. I move to approve consent agenda

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uh items
A and B.

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» Second.
>> Okay. All in favor?

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» I I [clears throat]

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Okay, new business. Um DR 2608 217 North
Second Street.

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[laughter]

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Okay.

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Okay.
Um, okay. An application for design

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review approval for the placement of a
manufactured home and construction of

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the garage with accessories dwelling
unit at 217 North Second Street.

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» Okay. Brian, do you have anything you
want to

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» Uh, yeah. Go through this real quick.
Uh, the limited business residential

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zone requires design review for all
structures. So, even though it is a

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single family residence, still requires
that review. Uh, there is an accessory

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dwelling unit proposed with it. Our code
uh does not allow for those if the lot

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is less than 6,000 square feet. Uh so
there's a requirement that they get a

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survey done and provide that showing
that it is 600 feet or larger. Um this

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zone has a maximum parking requirement
for residences. Uh so the requirement

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for a maximum six parking spaces.
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additionally, the uh zone requires that
parking areas in front of building be

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screened by landscaping uh or moved not
in front of the building, which I think

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is going to be difficult. So, there's a
requirement to either remove it or

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screen it effectively. Um they work with
so public works on alleyway improvements

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and snow removal plan uh and utility
connections

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and then they need to provide it to your
late and the is here if you have any

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questions.

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Is there anything else that you'd like
to add to that?

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You guys have questions?
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according to the GIS, we're coming up a
couple of square feet short,

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» right? Bl County GIS calculates it based
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GIS math and it usually is pretty close,
but it's not surveyed. Yeah. So,

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survey by smart and it's 8 ft over 6,000
a little bit larger just over

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threshold 6000
have the survey it's from this year

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recent

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the results of those don't change most
barely stay.

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[snorts]

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» Let's see. Brian, you were talking about
the the

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um
parking and screening.

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Walk walk me through that where what's
required and what's being proposed. Is

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there a way to find that?
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so like I said, this residential zone
has, I believe it's a four space maximum

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for a single family residence and a six
space for a two family residence. Since

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this is a house with an AU, it kind of
falls in the queen by air outside of a

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two family residence. Um,
so there's a twocar garage, parking for

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three cars in the front, and then along
the side here,

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uh, is identified as gravel parking
space. Just on the length of it, looks

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like you could fit three to four cars. I
don't recall exactly how many I counted.

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Um,
so my recommendation, we just remove the

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three parking spaces along Second Street
and have a nice little front yard area.

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Uh,
and then you can still use the garage

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and the parking lot inside.

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Okay. So, not have the parking up top,
right?

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But then we've got some trees here.
maple trees. Would that still then allow

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for like
>> Yeah, there's also sufficient spacing to

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add.

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Are there Well, let's see here. Are
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Let's see. Right next to it is a home
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um
my

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the challenge is that I got to be like
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It's normal.

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See the storage.

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So what does our code say with we can't
have parking on second because of

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is that because it's light industrial
limited

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» it's not no parking on the second it's a
maximum total

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» maximum parking right
And then a screening requirement.

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» Screening requirement
either be located at the rear building

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or screens.
Not necessarily completely screen but

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nicely.

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really not a good way to to screen that
parking off a second that I can see

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» with I mean with the footprint of
everything that we've got going on

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screen.
>> Yeah. I mean if you could put screening

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in the right of way then
That would be different but you got to

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keep that and that's
got to stay clear.

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» Oh let's see. So that is there is

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so yeah I guess with this uh page 69 the
site

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» site plan there that does so the parking
is 100% on this property and there is a

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25 foot back
street is that right

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» yes from the right
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You could potentially do

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if you did some some screening or some,
you know, some shrubs or something like

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right along the property line. You could
probably sneak two

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two parking spots like here

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and it's

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see where you're going with that.
Well, then don't we don't we allow for

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some
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as far as trees or shrubs in the right
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our current code allows for roadways,
utilities,

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and range
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Yeah, you said our current code, but
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in well once we we're trying to address
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which would allow for
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» for that

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which we would actually encourage
and in right location. Yeah.

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appropriate. Yeah.
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Tree or
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process-wise,
you know, assuming that we move forward

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with with modifying that in our code and
that does pass to allow for

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um vegetation right away.
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would would he the applicant be able to
come back to apply for uh to put right

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away
>> and then and then at that point modify

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the
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» right right now with a 20 you know if
this is 20 ft wide um you could easily

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get some shrubs in there and then one
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you know If those shrubs were right on
the property line and you parked

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carefully, you could probably get two
cars in there.

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» Um, depending on what exactly those
shrubs were. Um,

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you know, you could do something that's,
you know, that gets to 4 feet tall and

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foot and a half in diameter, right?
>> Put half a dozen of those there and and

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that becomes in my mind pretty good
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Um, and then you know that car pulls in.
One would be pretty comfortable and

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easy. Two would be tight.
>> And how many do we total do we need? We

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need to have six maximum.
>> I'm just trying to figure a way where,

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you know, because you don't want all the
parking to be in the back. If we're

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setting this up or if we're assuming
that this is two families, you know,

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some parking, you know, on the on the
side of the lot that the that the

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modular home is on would, I think, be
appropriate and highly preferable

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versus having the parking blocking the
garage from exiting. That just seems

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like a
like a tenant squabble waiting to

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happen.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. Uh
well, we need to we need to have a well

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maximum of six, I guess. But um
>> so are we considering this a twocar

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garage or three? A
>> twocar garage. Just like that.

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» All parts along the side and then
breathe card.

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» Oh, along the side, right?

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Well, that could definitely get

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set so that there's like a, you know, a
designated number of spots in that in

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that gravel area. Yeah.
>> My measure went 82 ft. Assuming they're

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parallel parks,
that is 23 foot is the parking length on

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that. So,

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of course, they could drive through the
alley.

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almost like

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[snorts] do we invite some uh
input from the applicant as far as what

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they would like to what their preference
would be to to kind of

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adjust this parking plan? Most
definitely. Yeah.

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Do you you see where we're at and what
we're struggling with? the gas cops or

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» ideally you would have parking on the on
the rear garage and then parking at the

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front or
the manufactured house

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and on the side the long drive through
would be store RV or some kind of

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trailer

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only.
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um
should be just a single person in the

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ADU. one family that's one and the front
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a family with
two adult two married couple or married

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couple

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born in like a small
under 10

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» children

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» sure but the permit has to be for what
could happen in future.

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» We can't tailor it too closely to
>> figure

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[laughter]
like

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on both sides on both sides of this
parcel there is parking. They have their

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the garage is sort of in the front of
the home with the front door on the side

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and they have
parking in the garage and on the

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concrete
system.

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» So yeah, with with that then the the
garage parking is that within the six

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foot setback or not?
>> No, this site plane you're seeing it

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all.
>> Okay.

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So yeah, then there could be another
option to put one there on I guess it'd

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be
the upper left hand corner, right? That

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would still
would be parking for the garage, but it'

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be parking
there.

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I mean, maybe a little bit awkward
depend on where the

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there's a back door or whatever
residence, but that's another spot if

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we, you know, had some shrugs or
something along the front.

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Thank you recommending that.
>> Is your intent for the for the

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modular home occupants to use the garage
for parking or is your intent to have

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the ADU occupants use the garage for
parking?

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» The ADU occupants will use the garage.
Okay. So,

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» okay. So, to my mind, we need to find a
we need to find a way to accommodate

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a couple cars on on or near the second
street side rather than the alley side

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» is how I'm
>> uh

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conceptualizing this. So,

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is there a Brian? Is there a way that we
can

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have a
gravel have a portion of that be

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designated as like a gravel storage area
that rather than a rather than having

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the whole thing be designated as gravel
parking space

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or is that splitting that here too?
Finally,

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» designate it whatever we want.
Generally, if you designate something

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with the knowledge that it's going to be
used for something else, you're setting

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it up for code enforcement issues.
>> Sure.

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» Well, but I guess that's where I'm going
with this is that

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the I don't think we are setting it up
with the knowledge that it will be used

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for something else. I think a
a place to store

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an RV or a trailer. I mean, that's
different than a single vehicle parking

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space.
>> Yes. So, if the intent is not to park

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four cars along the side of the modular
home, but rather to to

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do seasonal storage of of an RV or or a
trailer, then that's to my mind that

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that is
um designating it to the

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actual future use.

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could just yeah or require that the
storage alongside be for RVs or similar

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enough for vehicle parking

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and then it's just an ongoing
requirement that they maintain that

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you know maybe we move snow storage to
to somewhere in here so

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It's, you know, at least in winter time,
that snow storage

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area is blocking
so that you can't just pull on through,

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» right?
>> And then this this spot here,

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you can park a
park a car there.

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That's not really screened if you're
pulling through here, but

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it's back further off the street.

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Maybe this is getting too far into
designing the

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» need to feel obligated.
Well, and the other part of it too that

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I would be concerned about it being a
neighbor is if we plant a tree too close

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to the to the fence, then we're
actually, you know, then you're

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encroaching, you know, depending on the
type of tree and what it is onto the

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neighbor's property, they might like or
they may dislike.

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And
that's right. That's why they're

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Yeah.
Um

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yeah, I mean that's that is kind of a a
weird thing where here is actually doing

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the design
on the fly here which

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I'm not totally

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uh if we
if we deny this can we deny it with the

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specific
you know on the on the grounds of of the

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specific parking issue and give staff
authority to do an administrative

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approval without having to do you know
submit a new

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» I would deny it. I would
>> add a condition of approval or modify

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one conditional
>> and then

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» Gotcha.
So we could we could approve it

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with a condition that that parking
uh

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parking plan gets adjusted gets modified
to to meet code and give staff approval

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to or give staff authority to
administratively approve that revision.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. Um and then also with with that if
you modify

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including some vegetation um to
>> yeah I think we provide that as a

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suggestion for for a direction to move
towards towards meeting that

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requirement.
>> Yeah

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» that would satisfy the parking issue for
me.

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everything else on.
>> Yeah, I I think the rest of it looks all

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right.

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Um,
>> yes,

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» you know, we'd want to leave a a
condition of approval

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on exterior lighting that a lighting
plane gets submitted. That's all that's

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dark sky compliant.

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» I think that's probably in the suggested
>> Yes.

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» conditions. Right.
>> Yep.

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» And I am not a expert by any means as
far as moving or setting up a project or

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home, but I'm assuming that actually one
can get

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with the room where the speed of the
bike and everything else. One can

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actually be placed
somebody can back in there. [laughter]

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» Those guys are good.
>> Skilled backer.

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» I have the answer to that. They're going
to have to rent a special thing called a

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trans cat because it's going to it's
coming in in two pieces. First piece

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there's not enough room on the lot to
have two side by side. So they bring in

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one piece they pull it to the when it's
placed on the concrete they pull it to

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the other side and then probably the
next day bringing section two

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pieces together. So be like a two day

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» as long as it's logistically possible.
>> They have the equipment to do it.

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» Looks like condition one is
met

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» or or easily will be when that when that
survey gets submitted.

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two is what we were just talking about.

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» And three,

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» four is standard.
Five is what we were just talking about.

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I

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think I'm comfortable with this.
>> Oh, okay.

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Uh I move to approve uh DR 2608 subject
to the conditions outlined in the staff

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report and to direct staff to prepare
findings of fact conclusions of law and

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decision documents reflecting this
recommendation based on the record

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provided.
I'll second

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here.
>> Okay.

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» All right. [clears throat] Moving on to
DR 2679, addition of

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addition to 213 North Third Street.
Application for design review approval

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for a setback encroachment for an
additional an addition to a structure

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located at

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» Yes.
>> This one

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they got started a little bit. If you
look on the GIS, you can see it's in

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progress. We've been working with them
on getting it fixed and all up to stuff

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and all that. Uh the reason in front of
you guys tonight if I can find

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zoom way
[laughter]

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right there
is just a couple inches over

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» that's the eve.
>> Yep. So by coincident residential zone

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they can get a reduction to four feet
with design approval.

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» Have you talked to them about using a 1x
six spacer instead of a 2x6 face?

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[laughter]
>> I think they volunteered to get

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[laughter]

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a foot right that if that

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I looked at the
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's inches.

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» I'm good.
>> You're good.

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» Okay.

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2609.
>> Yes.

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» Uh I move to approve design review 2609.

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» Sec.
>> I I

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Okay, we're on to the third one. Uh
CP62,

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Family Health Services Parking Lot
Extension.

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» You know, I was I do recall. And what
was it? What was it? This came in front

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of us
ago.

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» No, this the the parking lot.
>> I think it was 202.

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» Oh. Oh, this one. Yeah. Yeah, that's
right. Yep.

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» And I was curious what Was
there much change earlier?

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I did not mean the plans that were
submitting at that point in time. I

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would guess that they're very similar
because that's really one way of doing

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this.
>> Yeah. Well, I'm curious why it's in

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front of us again.
>> Uh because they didn't progress

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and progress on construction within the
year.

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expired. Yeah.
>> Okay.

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So, any changes then?
>> No. Um [clears throat]

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with engineering, but no major changes
to the parking lot layout. We did uh the

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director add some landscaping um into
the parking lot layout to a little

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there's there's two additional trees on
street side um to create some some

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vegetation for a fronting the highway.
And then we also omitted all of the ITD

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improvements that were previously
proposed. Um we reached out to ITD and

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they're planning on constructing the
sidewalk section in 2027

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to next year. So that will be something
that ITD is installing.

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» But the on improvements are largely the
>> and as far as it does say here the

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landscaping green. Um what
[clears throat] what landscaping are you

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closing? Did I miss that or is that
>> I don't think we specified that the

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owner is going to work with a landscape
installer. Um we will have you know I

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think there's existing trees that we'll
try to maintain where possible. They're

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really nice shade trees. And then we'll
have two new trees um that are proposed

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in the two-way scape island. And then
we'll probably have some

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the

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» Yeah, that south end basically kind of
>> falls off.

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» Yeah.

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» Yeah. I was going to maybe recommend
some taller trees in there, but I'm not

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sure if that would be a good idea as far
as winter. That's going to cast a lot of

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shade. probably ice a parking lot. We
don't probably need that in the family

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services type of a facility.
>> Yeah.

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» Reduce the amount of ice.
>> Yeah. Well, I I would love if we can let

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the the owners work with the lander for,
you know, to make a recommendation

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that'll be good for screening and also
shade the too much.

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» Sure. Yeah. Yeah. That would be my
recommendation, especially on that side.

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Yeah.

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Well, I move to approve it the first
time around.

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» [laughter]

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» I move to approve CUP 2602.
I will second uh well with

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with conditions uh [snorts] recommended
by staff. There's some stuff about

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» um
building permit before starting

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construction and stuff like that.
So, you want me to remake the motion? I

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withdraw my motion.

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[laughter]
>> I'll do my best.

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» Uh, I move to approve CUP 2601 for an
expansion of the motor vehicle sales.

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Whoa, no, that's a long page.
Not where I need to be.

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» Um,
>> 2602. 2602

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» 621.
>> Okay. I move to approve COP 2602. We're

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a parking lot at the
Family Health Facility at

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the address again. 621 North 621 North
Main Street.

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and to direct staff to prepare prepare
findings of fact, conclusions of law and

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uh decision documents reflecting this
decision.

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» All in favor?
>> I

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[clears throat]
Okay, now we are on to

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preserve management plan action item.
Um,

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so C city initiated update to the Howard
Preserve Management Plan. Um, and maybe

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before we get too far into that, I was
curious what our what our role as PMZ is

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for what's the plan.
>> Uh, it's not really specified, but uh,

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it seemed like worth bringing to you
guys. It's just tangentially associated

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with a lot of the other projects we've
got going on. So, Gotcha.

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Um,
and it's of course it's been updated. I

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didn't don't know the first one.
>> I printed it out.

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If you would like to
2017 is the current room. Uh,

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things that have changed and I suspect
that Florence here may be able to tell

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us more as well. Um but
it accounts for the acquisition of the

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buyer's parcel. Um
there is now an annual update and review

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process where we take the council and
say here's what we did in the last year.

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Here's some minor changes we should make
to the plan. So we just keep doing that

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and then every five years we do a more
substantial update. um capital

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improvement projects. There's a few that
have been added to the list, but it's

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also split out into short-term and
long-term.

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Um the events section uh is the part
that really initiated this whole thing.

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Um the current one

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allows for two general events per year,
I believe, and

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small educational events and those sorts
of things. The new version is

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um
no events except for

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fundraising activities, small picnics uh
all sponsored by the three managing

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board or members uh managing agencies.
Um

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it's changed a little bit. So I printed
out a new version for you guys as well

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on this one. Uh

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the managing partners uh can have one
picnic and one fundraising event per

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year. Uh provided that motor vehicle
access prohibited. The preserve remains

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open during preparation.
Uh the manu department need notification

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review 30 60 days prior to the event. Uh
no fires without permit from the fire

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department. Crash equipment otherwise
removed within 48 hours. Amplified sound

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is prohibited. Uh alcohol has to be
approved by landing partners and

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attendance is limited to our to 200.

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And then the last thing that I noted is
a more significant change is the fire

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management. Under our current plan, the
only allowable method is for the fire

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chief to pull coal burn permit and do
control burning in there. U this allows

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for mechanical vending and other fuels
mitigation strategies utilizing best

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available science.

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» So going back to the organized
activities and this does allow for like

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yeah people to go down and have picnics.
What's what's the threshold on

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like if somebody you instead of one
family what happens if you want to have

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four families and you know is there a
number

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» right
>> um associated with just informal use of

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the preserve
>> uh it is not specified in that

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» you can just go down and have a picnic
that's not what we're trying to prevent

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» an annual picnic that we've usually had
every five years we have a picnic to

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celebrate the Howard preserve But
anybody could go down there anytime and

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ask.
>> Well, where I'm going with that,

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Florence, is like if there's if four if
four families wanted to go down there,

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you know, and then you've got, say
you've got, you know, 30 people or 40

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people, you know, down there having a
picnic. Is that cool or not? Where do

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you where do we draw the line on
>> when does it become an event?

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» Yeah. When Yeah. When do we when do you
tip the threshold from a just a regular

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problem?
>> Yeah. Right. [laughter]

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» So I guess if that problem comes up, we
deal with it. But it's, you know, I

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think one of the reasons that we're kind
of trying to limit events, you know,

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private events is because
the preserve has been getting so much

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increased use.
I mean, we have six 16,000 visitor days

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approximately this past year. The trails
are getting worn out. You know, there's

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wildlife there. We have a conservation
easement. We have to sort of balance it

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all,
>> right?

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» And I think that's
that's, you know, the public access that

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people have now, it's not going to
change.

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» Yeah. It's just that,
you know, people cannot apply for a

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permit for large events like a big
wedding or something like that. And

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that's the kind of thing we want to
protect the preserve. I know you guys

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have a lot of decisions you have to make
that actually reduce wildlife habitat.

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you know,
subdivisions, Carl Malone, places we

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used to see animals, don't see them
anymore. They have a chance here kind of

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just put an extra layer on the hard
preserve just to keep it

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» Yeah.
>> a little contained in that respect.

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Well, the reason why I kind of bring
that up is because the one thing that I

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would would be unfortunate is all of a
sudden if people did have, you know,

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four families went down there and they
didn't contact the city, they didn't

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contact anybody, they just went down,
then all of a sudden people are going to

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get upset because there's but there was
no process or any no way for them to

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actually try to do the right thing
because they didn't even know there was

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a thing to do. And I should clarify
this plan is not by like it's not legal,

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it's not law, it's a guidance document.
Yeah.

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» Uh the actual laws and ordinances are
city code. Uh our current code has three

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categories. Uh there's organized event
which is 25 to 99 individuals. Major

449
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:11,839
event is 100 to 199 and a special event
is 200 plus. Gota

450
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:17,440
and so
it would be an event by code if there

451
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:22,720
are more 25 on property.
>> Yeah. City part.

452
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:26,400
» Yeah. Yeah. So we could we could you
know that of course is in the plan. The

453
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:32,000
one thing that I think would be good to
do is somehow um associate that with

454
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:37,359
there's I haven't looked at the website
associated with Howard Preserve or in

455
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:40,640
the interpretive materials that are down
there so that people have we can say

456
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,799
that they've been informed.
>> Yeah.

457
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:47,760
» Um otherwise it's on us to it's not
their fault. It would be our fault

458
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,760
because they didn't weren't aware of
that.

459
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:58,000
» Cool. Yeah.
I think with the purchase of the Myers

460
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:03,760
property, we plan to have all new
signage down preserves.

461
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:08,680
That's great.
>> And things like that.

462
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,680
» Yeah. Yeah.

463
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:16,960
You know, the one thing that I didn't
see anywhere,

464
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:23,440
and I know that it has come up recently
is addressing hazard trees

465
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:31,040
or or maybe I didn't read it mostly
enough to see it. Um, is that

466
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:34,040
in here somewhere that I might have
missed?

467
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:43,760
I thought there was but
that added

468
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:50,319
» there's vegetation
mention hazardous trees just invasive no

469
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,319
weeds
um

470
00:57:54,240 --> 00:58:00,640
and the one thing that I think it's
important to do

471
00:57:58,744 --> 00:58:05,200
[clears throat] with with hazard trees
is

472
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:09,520
you actually need to have, and this
would be a recommendation, have a

473
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:14,240
certified arborist who's actually
certified in hazard trees because

474
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:18,799
there's arborists and then there's
arborists that know hazard trees.

475
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:25,040
There's not that many around to actually
come through and give recommendations.

476
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:28,720
Um, which is, you know,
uh, it's good and bad because soon as

477
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:34,400
you know about the hazard, we got to
address them. Um, but I as I parked

478
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:38,319
underneath parked there, I looked up,
make sure I'm not parked, there's not

479
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:43,040
widow makers or something in the
cottonwood that's going to fall on my

480
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:46,880
car while I'm down there. And by not, I
mean, probably 90% of people have no

481
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:52,079
idea. They should roll in their park and
away they go. Um

482
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:56,440
and then uh anyway I know it's be it's
become a little bit of a [clears throat]

483
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:06,720
of a concern regarding it's like when
you have infrastructure like a parking

484
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:12,799
area um then you have something to
protect or to actually address. But when

485
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:16,960
you just have trails that go through um
those don't necessarily need to you

486
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:18,960
don't need to mitigate every single
hazard. associated with every single

487
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,960
trail.
>> Yeah.

488
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:27,200
» Um but I think that would be maybe
important to to to add add to this would

489
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:33,520
be um
uh the mitigation has trees. Um and then

490
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:38,280
maybe put some type of a definition on
that.

491
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,280
Um

492
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:46,720
is this you want people to be safe and
don't want vehicles or people or anybody

493
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:50,599
else to be
injured damage.

494
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:21,280
Maybe the last thing I guess once this
will go down city council

495
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:29,880
going to run through the parks committee
once I a recommendation from both of you

496
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,880
that is more or less cohesive go

497
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:38,440
and then land trust and the friends
They'll have good approve it on there.

498
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,040
Any

499
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:09,400
other significant changes from the
current?

500
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:18,720
» I don't believe so. Most of it is
formatting

501
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:25,440
other than things that I mentioned
formatting. Uh

502
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:29,712
some wording tweaks for clarity.
Well, it's the same [clears throat]

503
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,480
Um,

504
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:34,440
I see a fair amount of
um

505
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:42,680
a fair amount of bicycle usage there. Um
I don't

506
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:53,920
I don't have a an objection to
it.

507
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:58,799
I think my preference would be to not
have like

508
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:02,960
no bicycle signs there.
Um,

509
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:05,960
you know, obviously that's not really
an,

510
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:17,440
you know, potentially we, you know,
limit them to the to the ADA portion of

511
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:23,599
the trail. Um, but I think,
you know, it's a nice place to ride a

512
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:27,839
bike. Um, my
16-year-old is not particularly

513
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:33,680
interested in mountain biking there, but
my 5-year-old and my 8-year-old think

514
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:37,520
it's a great place to mountain bike. Um,
you know, so they really enjoy the

515
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:45,079
single track. And I realized that, you
know, a 5-year-old and an 8-year-old is

516
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:45,079
a very different kind of impact than

517
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:53,760
uh a
real [clears throat] mountain biking

518
01:03:48,799 --> 01:04:00,079
adult um in terms of speed and hazard to
walkers and stuff like that. And I I

519
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:05,440
realize you can't write the regulations
around that, but it would be a shame to

520
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:10,559
have for for me personally, it would be
a shame to have a

521
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:15,599
no bicycles sign at the entrance to the
park. I think that would that would be a

522
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:22,880
disappointment to a lot of people and I
think it would be uh you know the the

523
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,880
impact that I see of bikes there is is
low.

524
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:30,799
So, I would,
you know, if we're talking about signage

525
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:36,160
and and
you know, what's a rule versus what's a

526
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:43,359
guideline,
I'm not quite sure how you

527
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:49,839
parse that out, but that would be a a
bit of input that I would have. Is there

528
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:55,984
a specific section that you're
looking at that

529
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:59,200
» uh in the
[clears throat]

530
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:06,079
in the
customary public use permissible regular

531
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:10,079
public access currently allows for
passive activities such as hiking, bird

532
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:14,160
watching, fishing, cross-country skiing,
photography, and snowshoeing. I'm I'm

533
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:18,960
comfortable with that language, with
that verbiage. Um, I'm just thinking as

534
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:25,520
we're as we're moving towards, you know,
all new signage and that kind of thing,

535
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:34,039
having that as a as a
rule or a signed

536
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:34,039
uh regulation, I would be

537
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:42,880
I don't know if I'd say I'm against it,
but I would be I'd be bummed, let's put

538
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:48,640
it that way, if that was on the sign.
It's not allowed.

539
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:52,720
» It doesn't say they are or are not. Uh,
it says, oh, 4.1, public access within

540
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:56,960
the preserve is intended to be
pedestrian only. A bicycle wreck is

541
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:01,119
provided near the Martin Lane parking
area and others may be installed at

542
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:06,400
other entrances in the future. Motorized
juice is prohibited. Totally fine with

543
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:12,559
that. Um, and I think ebikes
totally should be included in that. Um,

544
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:16,880
so
that that to me is where it gets a

545
01:06:14,319 --> 01:06:21,440
little, you know, a little fuzzy like,
you know,

546
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:25,280
» I have to agree with you. I didn't think
we would have a bicycle back 20 years

547
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:30,240
ago.
>> But lately, we've had a lot of kids that

548
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:34,880
just don't respect pedestrians riding
bicycles.

549
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:39,440
I don't know how to stop that, you know.
And some some adults are not very polite

550
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:45,599
either. They don't warn you when you're
coming by

551
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:48,319
» and it's increased and
you know

552
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:51,920
» and also you know a lot of kids have
these little motorcycles are they

553
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,839
electric bikes?
>> They're trying to use those in the

554
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,799
preserve.
>> Yeah.

555
01:06:54,319 --> 01:07:02,799
» And they don't understand that they're a
vehicle. Have to stop two or three kids

556
01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:07,839
say walk that bike out of here. Mhm.
>> So, it's something we need to address.

557
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:14,559
» I I don't disagree. Um I think I think
the ebikes thing for me is a that's an

558
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:20,799
easy one. Like um I don't think that's a
place for

559
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:26,319
» gas or electric motors. Um,
you know, I think I think possibly

560
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:32,319
because another thing that, you know,
our our more like, you know, middle-aged

561
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:38,640
pre-teen kids actually use that as a,
you know, as a way to get into town. Um,

562
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:44,240
that is, you know, it's off of Main
Street. It's a safe, you know, a safe

563
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:49,599
place to, you know, it's a it's a
corridor that they use to, you know, for

564
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:55,760
transportation through town. Um,
>> that I need to go look at something,

565
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:58,799
» which is a lot of days.
>> I have a bike. I

566
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:03,680
» Yep.
>> Absolutely. And and I think there's a,

567
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:09,119
you know, there's maybe a middle ground
where the where the single track down in

568
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:14,240
the
down in the river bottom.

569
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:19,199
I don't know. I having trails that are
and trails that aren't allowed I I think

570
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:25,120
would be getting into a pretty thorny
difficult enforcement

571
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:29,839
condition. Um
I think

572
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:35,279
to to me I think some signage you know
at the at the entrances to the park you

573
01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:41,359
know that this is primarily a pedestrian
area. cyclists be respectful of

574
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:48,400
pedestrians that something like that
could be a a good kind of middle ground.

575
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:55,759
Uh because I it would be a shame to to
to prohibit them. I think

576
01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:01,440
I would follow that up with installing
more bike decks,

577
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:05,679
urge people to park in.
>> Yeah. I hope all this new signage will

578
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:09,199
address those kinds of things.
really do to me the signage.

579
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:13,402
» Yeah.
>> 20 years old.

580
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:17,839
» Yeah. When I was gone down like
[clears throat] you know [laughter]

581
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,359
this fence, which is fine, but it's also
really hard

582
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:26,719
for that.
>> Yeah. Um, and then also you want to make

583
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:32,640
sure when you have your your pike
stations is

584
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:38,159
close to where people can, you know,
go hang out the canal and, you know,

585
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:44,400
don't like that to walk up their bike.
So it's so it's right close by. It's

586
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:49,000
what it is instead of at the far end of
the parking lot where you can't get to

587
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,000
it.

588
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:57,520
Yeah, and I would agree with the no
definitely no

589
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:02,159
motorized because well that's already
says on motorized but then I would even

590
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:07,920
compare with
>> you know it's such it's not like it's a

591
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:12,400
a designated trail system like place for
young kids to go ride around whatever

592
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:17,040
but for like to go for a mile bike ride
through an hour preserve is not where

593
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:20,868
most people are going
>> so I

594
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:22,888
webin.
[laughter]

595
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:31,120
» Yeah, I think proper signage kind of
gets the point across of what the

596
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:35,880
managing partners would encourage. Bike
racks kind of help suggest market.

597
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,159
Anything else?

598
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,080
I think I'm comfortable with the rest of
it.

599
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:19,480
» Great. Uh the notes I have for edits uh
is the

600
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,480
uh

601
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:29,040
section to allow for hazard tree
removal. Vegetation management section

602
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:34,880
hazard removal when identified by
license arbit

603
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:42,000
scale wind hazard tree identification
uh and then allowing acoustic bikes

604
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:47,640
uh and adding additional bike racks at
all entrances. Did

605
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:47,640
» you say acoustic bikes? Yes,

606
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:54,280
» I like it. [laughter]
Guitar

607
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:03,104
» nonmplified.
[laughter]

608
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:17,640
» Well, we need a motion, Brian. I like
that motion.

609
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:31,040
» I'll take it back at it. Uh, I move
to

610
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:37,199
recommend approval of the
power preserve management plan

611
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:40,199
with the
suggested

612
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:49,600
uh
adjustments regarding

613
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,159
bicycle usage.
Tree

614
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:56,120
Hazard tree.
>> Hazard tree maintenance.

615
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,719
» Bike racks
>> and bike racks.

616
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:09,719
All [clears throat] set. All
>> right. I passes.

617
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:09,719
» Okay.

618
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:13,719
[clears throat]
All right.

619
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:22,640
Okay. For pass this hurdle.
[laughter]

620
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:26,080
Yeah.
Okay. Now we're on to old business.

621
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,159
» Thank you.
>> Yeah. You're welcome.

622
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,920
» Thanks for coming.
>> See you.

623
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:35,960
» Thanks for
>> um CU 260.

624
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:46,440
» Thanks.
>> Uh CU 2601

625
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,440
for expansion.

626
01:13:46,541 --> 01:13:48,561
[clears throat]

627
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:53,400
Okay. So, here we are.

628
01:13:53,600 --> 01:14:00,400
Uh, [snorts] this one was in front of
you guys in June, I believe. It been a

629
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:07,120
little bit.
Um, but it is back today. Uh, they've

630
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:12,000
updated their plans primarily. Uh, the
main difference

631
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:17,600
is the landscape plan. We've added five
additional

632
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:25,280
uh Colorado spruce along the
northern edge of the property roughly 25

633
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:29,600
to 30 feet on center. Uh
they I mean you all know how the screw

634
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:35,120
is. It's going to get big and bushy
eventually and those are all kind of

635
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:38,120
touched together
wall.

636
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:44,560
Um, other than that, site plan appears
to be about the same. Cal Johnson and

637
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:47,880
David Hicks are online and can answer
any questions.

638
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,406
Um, [clears throat]

639
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:10,382
» hey, so my my first question and this is
to you guys. Um,

640
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:13,679
a lot of Colorado spruce in the valley.
[sighs]

641
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:17,280
Kind of nice to see some different types
of trees.

642
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:22,159
Um,
and one that I would maybe recommend

643
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:29,280
would be best drop that does well in
here in the valley spun.

644
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:32,000
Um, tall provides some screen.
>> Um,

645
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:38,640
I don't know how you guys feel about
that for them. [clears throat]

646
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:45,520
Uh, I am a much bigger fan of Ponderos
of Pine than I am the Blue Spruce. Um,

647
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:51,520
we're actually working on a project in
our at my house and we're going to have

648
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:56,800
to take some trees out and I'm doing
everything I can to keep the the ponder.

649
01:15:54,000 --> 01:16:01,600
I've got a I don't know a handful of
good mature ponderosas and a handful of

650
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:06,057
good mature blue spruce. And I am
getting rid of every spruce that I can

651
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:08,077
to save every ponderosa that I can.
[laughter]

652
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:13,360
» Sounds like you could be a bit of that
then. Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat]

653
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:18,320
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> They're just way prettier trees. Long

654
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:23,120
softer needles and the big pine cones
and they're just

655
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,960
» to me they're they're a much more
attractive tree.

656
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:32,080
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, one thing to keep in mind is

657
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:36,239
that as ponderos pine matures, they tend
to drop below branches. So, you just

658
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:41,040
have
>> the base of the stone.

659
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:44,960
That is an outside.
>> Yeah, you're not going to have say

660
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:49,120
visual history.
>> Yeah.

661
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:54,480
» Um
I [clears throat] do wonder about

662
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:59,840
because the other tree was maple tree.
>> Yeah, it was a maple maple

663
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:05,040
» to like um [clears throat]
because the one thing Yeah.

664
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:09,120
I'm not a professional landscaper, but I
do know a little bit about it. But just

665
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:18,800
to have like a wall of any I don't care
what it's one species of thing. It just

666
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:24,000
makes a wall and maybe to inter um to
interace that with maybe a maple or or

667
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:28,560
something else. [clears throat] So where
it's not just a wall of whatever type of

668
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:35,199
a pine tree it is. It's got maybe two
and one and we got a few more to kind of

669
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:41,120
mix that diversity up. Diversity is good
too because if one gets diseased it

670
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:46,000
carries over to the next.
So by having different species and

671
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:53,679
different types
limit your risk of everything

672
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:57,920
out by one bug or one fungus.
>> Yeah.

673
01:17:54,800 --> 01:18:01,480
» And yeah it does it brings a lot greater
visual variety

674
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:08,000
monoculture. Yeah. Well, and then in
addition to that, it's like to go, you

675
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:14,480
know, it looked like they stopped right
there where the um

676
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:19,199
where the employee parking stops, you
know, it's like [clears throat] yet

677
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:24,400
there's still, you know,
two/ird of the lot or twoirds of yeah,

678
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:28,159
the lot that goes back to the west. I
just didn't like to see those those

679
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:33,840
trees extend all the way to the head of
the property.

680
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:38,640
Um so, we're providing screening. um for
the the inventory storage area. I

681
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:43,600
realize there's fence around it, but
>> yeah, got dog woods and other things

682
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:47,239
specified
along the fence.

683
01:18:53,739 --> 01:18:55,759
[clears throat]

684
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:03,760
» I see a lot of trees.
>> You would or Yeah. Yeah.

685
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:08,040
» Right. trees, two, three different
species, coniferous, deciduous.

686
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:16,320
See, if you did, if you did that, ran it
all the way back to the back corner when

687
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:22,719
you wouldn't necessarily got need
anything there in front of the fence.

688
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:28,040
um
or you get up

689
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,040
uh

690
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:37,280
and kind of to Brian's point
end up putting some there or something

691
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:42,159
then you do have some lower shrubs and
you still

692
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:45,120
so that's probably
be a good idea to keep

693
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:08,560
And then I'm not What's the What's Can
you see the back of that inventory

694
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:13,040
storage area from down below anywhere?
Is that like visually

695
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:16,840
um
a visual to anyone.

696
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:30,040
» This is owned by the airport. This is
the ranch bar, I believe.

697
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,040
Uh

698
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:41,000
potentially if this parcel were to get
developed at some point in the future,

699
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,000
there may be some

700
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:49,640
opportunity to see something, but it
would be questionable whether that

701
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,640
Yeah.

702
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:02,000
And you know the reason I throw that out
is like you know we are talking about

703
01:21:00,156 --> 01:21:05,840
[clears throat] you know conserving
water but yeah we're creating something

704
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:11,600
but something that nobody can see and
we're just

705
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,600
maybe isn't a good use of resources.

706
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:51,920
I'll just throw out a couple other
things that um

707
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:57,440
unless we want to stick with vegetation
for a moment.

708
01:21:53,840 --> 01:22:01,040
» Um on that other stuff I'd like to talk
about.

709
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:03,120
» Okay. So, well, you want to go ahead
with your

710
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:06,800
» Yeah. Why don't you go with what
>> Okay.

711
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:12,159
Um no particular order. you know, if
there's the the fence, the one thing

712
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:16,080
that I think that that fence needs to
be, because we're talking about

713
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:19,120
basically, if not mistaken, has a chain
link fence with SL in it or whatever,

714
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:24,880
right?
>> Is for that fence to be black.

715
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:30,000
Um, and you've seen it in different
places. There's you can have a black

716
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:36,400
chain link fence. Um, and it is way
nicer visually, way less visually in

717
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:40,080
your face than a silver, you know, than
the galvanized beds.

718
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:48,600
» Um,
so I would [clears throat] I think we

719
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:48,600
ought I recommend that be black and then

720
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:56,239
Yeah.
Then they rubberized or coated with no

721
01:22:54,560 --> 01:23:01,520
slats
with slats. Well, see that's

722
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:06,572
» those flats. I mean, they look good on
day one, maybe, but they sort of

723
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:09,120
» they look tolerable on day one.
[laughter]

724
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:14,239
» They don't last.
>> They provide the screening until

725
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:19,520
something hits it.
>> Yeah. And then it's we get into a

726
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:27,080
maintenance issue for them and for us.
And what does that look like? place that

727
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,080
um

728
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:35,520
you know I what I would recommend is
>> [clears throat]

729
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:43,440
» um and maybe I'll just bring it up
is show you guys a picture um I

730
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:49,840
mentioned this before with the
um

731
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:55,520
the city of Ketchum and they're um
uh down up there

732
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:59,600
by the elementary school. They've got
some things that they actually put on

733
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:05,920
the fence and it actually looks like a
mountainscape.

734
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:12,280
Um, and I took a picture of it here
when I was up there last and and it's

735
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:35,920
um and maybe the one thing that you
you're okay with it. If we go to Can you

736
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:39,400
bring up um
like Google Maps

737
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:47,443
since I'm having a hard time finding
this cool

738
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:50,560
and just go to the
[clears throat]

739
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:56,440
And you can go to street view. Oh, here
it is. Of course, nobody's going to be

740
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:56,440
able to see it. So,

741
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,639
And that's

742
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:16,159
one
you have to go over by the other side of

743
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:19,400
the field.
Oh yeah,

744
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:28,960
just
have to go that way a little bit more.

745
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:35,320
» A little bit more.
Yeah, right where those cars are parked.

746
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:35,320
And then if you look back to the

747
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:50,840
go a little bit further to the to where
the raw cars are.

748
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:59,120
And you can of course there's some
shrubs there and stuff. Can't really

749
01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:59,120
tell.

750
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:09,040
You can kind of mesh you kind of the one
thing on that on that that fence is of

751
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:12,719
course in that picture there's fabric
there. So there's it's not a true

752
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:17,679
representation. There's a black fence
but then there's some mesh but then the

753
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:20,960
the light blue is kind of like you can
see it's kind of like a mountain

754
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:26,880
silhouette.
Um, yeah. And it helps break up the

755
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:31,120
continuity of the Um,
>> Can you send me that photo so that I can

756
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:36,719
share it with the applicants?
>> Yeah. Um, I was going to see, is there a

757
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,560
way that I can do this
so you can put it up there? Can I email

758
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:42,124
it to you?
>> Yeah, you can email it to me.

759
01:26:40,104 --> 01:26:42,124
[clears throat]

760
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,120
Yeah.
Um

761
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:23,800
yeah, I mean something like that. Um, I
would be in favor of trying to

762
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:32,080
to do and then then you could, you know,
not have the slats coming down and then

763
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:35,920
just provide a little bit of a because I
think where people will see it is, you

764
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:40,639
know, when they're of course driving in
to go to the gas station, you'll have

765
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:44,000
some of the
vegetation [clears throat] there where

766
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:47,280
people drive by, but then you will be
able to see through to that fence,

767
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:52,400
» you
where the storage area is. So to have

768
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:56,560
something along um along that section of
the fence

769
01:27:53,520 --> 01:28:00,159
» well that will probably still give them
you know visual screening as well

770
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:04,000
because I'm sure a big concern for them
is security

771
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:08,920
anything back there
>> right

772
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,920
» so it kind of accomplishes both

773
01:28:11,805 --> 01:28:13,825
[clears throat]

774
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:24,120
I think that's one thing that I would
throw out.

775
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:36,040
» You like to hear from the applicants?
>> Uh, sure.

776
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,600
» David,
>> is that is that my queue?

777
01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:44,639
» Yeah.
>> Can you all hear me? Okay.

778
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:48,800
» Yep.
>> Perfect. Uh well, good evening,

779
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:54,080
commissioners. Uh my name is David Hicks
with the Carl Malone Group. Um I believe

780
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:58,719
that a few of us have met before. U I
would just maybe speak to a couple of

781
01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:03,840
things that you've said so far. Um first
of all, about the trees, we're very open

782
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:08,000
to whatever tree configuration uh that
you guys like best. If you want to have

783
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:11,679
us break them up a little bit with some
different species or run them a little

784
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:19,520
bit further down that property line, uh
we would be uh very amicable to that uh

785
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:26,320
as an approval condition. Um as far as
the fence goes, um we would be uh happy

786
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:31,120
to do a black fence. You are 100% right
about a black fence uh looking much

787
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:35,600
better. We have some black fences in
some of our other locations um and they

788
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:40,159
are way less noticeable than a
galvanized fence. So, we agree with you

789
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:44,320
and that's a great idea uh that you had
for that. So, we would be very open to

790
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:50,560
that. Um
as far as the um last graphic that you

791
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:56,159
showed with the, you know, mountain
scheme on it, I like that. Love the feel

792
01:29:52,639 --> 01:30:01,920
of it. My only concern would be you can
see through that much more than you can

793
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:05,360
see through uh the slats. I can
understand that the slats, you know,

794
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:11,360
your concern that they're maybe not the
most aesthetic or whatnot. Um but I just

795
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:14,880
would my concern is like I think
somebody mentioned is security. And so

796
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:20,000
that's what that's what we're looking
for is uh is security in that fenced

797
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:27,120
area that everybody can't see what's in
there. Um, but I I think as long as far

798
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:33,199
as the that issue goes, we're open once
again as an approval condition to what

799
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:40,400
y'all uh uh like or what you feel is
best. Um, maybe there's a combination of

800
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:44,880
of something we could do there. Um, but
you know, our our main main focus is the

801
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:49,440
security of that area cuz we're going to
have, you know, mult multiple millions

802
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:55,920
of dollars worth of inventory
potentially in that area at depending on

803
01:30:52,000 --> 01:31:01,040
what time of year it is. So, um, one
other thing that I wanted to mention is,

804
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:05,360
um, since the last meeting, there was a
couple of things that were concerns

805
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:14,120
that, uh, that you all had. Um, one of
them was the trees.

806
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:14,120
I'm sorry. Did I missed something?

807
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:21,760
Okay. Uh, anyways, one of them was the
trees, which is why we made that change,

808
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:25,840
uh, so that when you're coming down the
highway, you'd be able to see that. The

809
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:31,199
other one was a snow storage concern.
And what we did on that is we actually

810
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:35,920
added a gate uh on the back of that
fenced area so that we would uh be able

811
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:40,480
to it would be able to accommodate the
snow storage a little bit better um to

812
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:44,719
get the snow out of that fenced area. So
we'd have the option to bring the snow

813
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:50,960
out the front or out the back of that
fenced area. I believe that was on the

814
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:54,239
recommendation of uh the commission.
Anyhow, I kind of did a lot of talking

815
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:59,840
there. If y'all have any questions for
me, I'm happy to answer them. But, uh,

816
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:04,520
you know, we're we are happy to, uh,
make any adjustments that y'all see fit.

817
01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:15,360
» See back if we're missing that.
>> Yeah, David. I think not sure if that

818
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:19,920
just got omitted from these plans or if
I'm not seeing this.

819
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:29,320
» Yeah, these plans are from
July 8th. I'll hop over to the civil

820
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:29,320
site plan. That'll show it real clear.

821
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:35,960
Yeah, that C1 right there is the one.

822
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:49,840
» Okay, there it is.
>> Yep.

823
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:54,719
» Yeah. And then also with respect to the
question if anything could be visible

824
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:58,639
from below. This is set back off the
property line. And not only that,

825
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:02,960
there's, you know, at the moment,
nothing uh what's the what would that

826
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:06,080
direction be west of there? There'd be
nothing west of there. And as Brian

827
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:10,480
pointed out, you know, if we were to
develop this and build a actual building

828
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:15,920
there, that could possibly change, but
obviously that would invol involve a

829
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:19,760
whole another uh P&Z review at that
point. But this is set back off the

830
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:26,400
property line to accommodate for that
snow storage and um also that ditch

831
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:29,400
easement uh that runs behind that that
piece.

832
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:50,499
» [clears throat]

833
01:33:54,480 --> 01:34:02,400
» And I'm sorry, quick question. What was
the species of uh pine that was being

834
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:06,480
recommended?
>> Ponderosa pine.

835
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:12,360
» Oh, yeah. Ponderosa.
We agree with you. That's a great tree.

836
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:12,360
We'd be happy to mix those in.

837
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:18,679
or have them all that. Whatever y'all
recommend.

838
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,940
[clears throat and cough]

839
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:47,480
Well, it's so with the we got maybe
resolve this slats

840
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:57,760
because I'm like the one thing I get the
security side of it but then also it's

841
01:34:54,719 --> 01:35:02,880
like we want to see what's behind that's
not likeable to the eye

842
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:07,960
through
so I don't know if I totally get the

843
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:14,239
the being able to see through there, but
then also on the flip side of it, you

844
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:18,719
can see through there and the marshall
drives by, you see somebody back mess

845
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:22,080
around,
you know, you actually take some action

846
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:25,600
versus if it's slanted up there, then
it's like somebody go back there, pretty

847
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:30,320
easy to jump fence and do whatever they
want to do. So, it kind of goes both

848
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:33,920
ways, I think, from the security side of
things.

849
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:39,199
At least that's the way I would view it,
unless there's something missing there.

850
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:46,560
If you all like that fabric material
that we could put on the front of that,

851
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:50,980
we'd be open to that. No problem.
>> Well, the one thing with that picture

852
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:53,840
that Brian showed you there, there is I
[clears throat] would not recommend the

853
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:57,280
fabric because that's just one thing
that's going to deteriorate. You're

854
01:35:55,040 --> 01:36:00,800
going to have to replace periodically.
But if we wanted to break up the

855
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:05,440
continuity of this, the fence itself
would be the because those that actually

856
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:09,440
that that art that's attached to the
fence, it's metal.

857
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:15,201
Um, so it's it's cut metal that's
attached to the fence. So it's going to

858
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:17,920
be there that color
[clears throat]

859
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:23,800
probably
associated with that, you know, artwork,

860
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:23,800
so to speak.

861
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:29,040
» So just to make sure I'm understanding,
are you saying like the little mountain

862
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:33,840
graphic that's on there, that's actually
like a a metal piece that's maybe cut

863
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:38,126
out on a table that then they put on the
fence and then the fabric is behind

864
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:40,480
that? Yeah. Yeah. This is a I would
[clears throat] like to say I would not

865
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:44,639
recommend the fabric. Yeah. In the
picture that's exactly right. The fabric

866
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:51,679
is I think the fabric is on the inside
of the fence and then the the the

867
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:55,960
mountaincape is on the the outside. Um
but I wouldn't recommend the fabric

868
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:04,000
for this reason. They probably want
additional screening. But for for what

869
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:10,440
we're dealing with,
it's just one more thing to go wrong.

870
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:10,440
» Understood.

871
01:37:10,639 --> 01:37:15,440
» Um
but [clears throat] some type of a it's

872
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:21,760
you know pretty pretty simple design but
also represent the um you know the

873
01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:26,159
surrounding hillside
topography

874
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:31,600
so
>> yeah we could do that.

875
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:34,600
What I've got down is a artistic gateway
feature.

876
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:41,239
Um,

877
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:48,560
we're good on.
So, one other thing, I'm not sure if

878
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:51,440
this could be accommodated or not, but
it's

879
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:55,280
Go ahead.
>> I suggest that we might be getting the

880
01:37:53,840 --> 01:38:02,840
cart ahead of the horse a little bit
here. Um,

881
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,840
I am still

882
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:14,360
somewhat uncomfortable with
I just

883
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:14,360
So, we've got 160ish

884
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:25,840
parking spaces on the existing facility.
We have an application for 60 more. So,

885
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:34,000
that would bring it to 220ish.
And if that is what the applicant needs,

886
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:41,760
then I'm really struggling with why
they didn't stripe their parking lot for

887
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:47,163
the 227 spaces that were on the approved
plans for the

888
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:51,040
» for the original facility. M
[clears throat] like

889
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:55,920
why do we need to make the gateway to
the city be a parking lot to accommodate

890
01:38:54,400 --> 01:39:01,239
something that would have been
accommodated if it was built as approved

891
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:17,679
» to me it just extends what feels like a
I don't want to name a particular city

892
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:24,960
but It
it's taking what feels like a strip

893
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:29,119
development that is not the
the character that I and most of the

894
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:36,239
people that I talked to want Bellev to
be. And it's extending that parking lot

895
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:40,719
strip commercial development feel, you
know, another lot to the north. And

896
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:46,159
we're and at that point we're out of
room to

897
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:52,239
have something else go in there to make
that not be the I mean what it does is

898
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:55,920
it it
puts an endpoint on that northward

899
01:39:54,400 --> 01:40:02,000
development because nothing else is
going to go north of there. Um, and it

900
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:08,560
just cements that that commercial strip
development as what is at the north end

901
01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:13,679
of town and makes that the gateway.
>> Um,

902
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:19,840
and I don't like it. And I don't and I
really don't like that that it is being

903
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:26,719
built as a necessity
because the applicant didn't

904
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:30,719
follow through on building out the
facility that we're now trying to

905
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:36,040
remediate
um based on what was approved.

906
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:44,000
» Is it okay if I ask a question?
>> Sure. Yeah.

907
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:50,159
What? I don't I don't know anything
about the facility current the current

908
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:55,119
facility not being built as approved and
that we didn't build it as approved. So

909
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:59,920
that that's affecting this. I think the
whole thing to my knowledge was built as

910
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:06,960
it was approved.
So my understanding is the is the design

911
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:14,800
review for the original um
for the dealership uh had 227

912
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:21,920
uh striped parking spaces which was a
concession. Um you know by by code it

913
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:26,719
should have had 360.
Um and so it was a concession that you

914
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:32,239
guys said oh we don't need that much
parking. uh we'll be fine with 227. And

915
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:38,800
so that was what was approved in the
design review process

916
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:44,560
um for the for the dealership. And then
when it got built out, uh you currently,

917
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:51,679
my understanding, I haven't gone and
counted them. My understanding is you've

918
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:55,360
got 154 standard parking spaces,
um

919
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:59,600
four handicapped accessible and six
trailer parking spaces.

920
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:06,080
on site.
So you're well under half of what would

921
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:14,320
normally be required by code and you are
coincidentally about 60 short of what

922
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:17,760
was on your site plan
when you built the dealership.

923
01:42:16,765 --> 01:42:22,800
» [clears throat]
>> So, this is the first time that I've

924
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:27,600
ever heard that what you just said that
that we asked said that we didn't need

925
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:32,480
this many spots as we had planned and
that we put in less than we had planned.

926
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:38,320
I have I haven't heard that. Maybe you
can speak to that, Cal. Um, but there

927
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:43,840
was also some
um I believe there was some confusion

928
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:50,320
with the parking calculations, not when
the dealership was built, but recently

929
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:55,199
in some of the reports there was uh some
parking calculations that I believe were

930
01:42:52,159 --> 01:43:00,560
maybe not correct. So, I don't have the
exact information in front of me to tell

931
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:03,440
you that that's not the case, but I have
not heard that before and I don't

932
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:08,119
believe it's the case. But I would have
to maybe get some more information on

933
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:08,119
that

934
01:43:11,786 --> 01:43:15,040
[clears throat]
>> because that's what you're referring to

935
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:21,600
that
the approved building permit plan had

936
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:29,119
» straight parking
>> all along here all through here all here

937
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:36,159
down here and the
actual construction plan omitted

938
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:38,400
everything along the new fence area,
converted a bunch of it to trailer

939
01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:40,880
parking.
>> Yep.

940
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:42,639
» Did not include any.
>> Yep.

941
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:46,480
» Okay.
>> Yeah. There's a lot of parking that's on

942
01:43:44,639 --> 01:43:53,679
your original site plan that is not on
the ground right now. And

943
01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:59,440
yeah, what you've got up, Brian, is a I
think a very uh

944
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:04,320
clear picture of that.
So, I think maybe the confusion is for

945
01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:09,760
me then is what you're talking about is
mostly what's actually striped versus

946
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:15,840
what's not striped because there's some
of that parking that is being used as

947
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:21,760
parking and they are parking spaces. We
just opted not to actually stripe the

948
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:26,480
spots. Is that maybe where some of that
difference is coming in?

949
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:29,520
» Maybe a little bit, but not the majority
of it.

950
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:37,040
Can you see Can you see Brian's spit
split screen here with the satellite and

951
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:41,159
the and the
>> site plan?

952
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:41,159
» Yes.

953
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:48,320
So to the north of that storage
facility,

954
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:54,960
there are a there are a bunch of striped
parking spaces on the site plan. And it

955
01:44:52,080 --> 01:45:00,239
doesn't look to me like those are being
used for vehicle parking

956
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:08,080
» to the south of that.
>> And then you've got

957
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:11,080
to the east of that storage area.
Um,

958
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:22,133
there's a there's a bunch of right angle
vehicle parking on the site plan and

959
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:26,000
on the ground there's a bunch of
[clears throat] a bunch of trailer

960
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:33,040
parking.
And then at the south edge of the

961
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:38,400
property, it looks like there's eightish
spots on this on the site plan that are

962
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:42,119
not being used for vehicle parking.
Uh and then

963
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:52,080
to the
Yeah, just

964
01:45:48,880 --> 01:46:00,000
all over the place, man. There's there
are spaces that are on the site plan as

965
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:04,320
striped vehicle parking that are not
being used for striped vehicle parking

966
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:10,719
that are being used for like inventory
storage and

967
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:17,280
angled trailer parking and
just it was not the parking lot was not

968
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:20,280
striped as as [clears throat] approved
and

969
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:28,159
I I haven't gone through and counted
vehicles or counted spaces or counted

970
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:38,560
vehicles that are that are not in
striped spaces, but it seems to me that

971
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:43,040
that 160ish number, you know, that that
60 short of what was approved on the

972
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:48,560
site plan
>> looks like about what you've got on the

973
01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:52,679
ground. And
And I mean,

974
01:46:54,159 --> 01:47:00,719
» so I can speak to a couple of those
things if that if that's okay.

975
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:04,560
» Um, and I I I can see why you're saying
what you're saying, so I'm not I'm not

976
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:10,080
trying to argue with you, but this
picture that is up on the screen is not

977
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:16,560
100% representative. This is right after
this was taken right after we paved that

978
01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:20,400
area. And so we had we hadn't even got
the containers moved yet and all the

979
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:26,159
other inventory is not there. So when
you on that uh north side of the storage

980
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:34,800
area that you're talking about um that
is now all moved into the storage area.

981
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:40,000
Also we added an entire row of parking
that goes all the way across the front

982
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:47,360
of that fence that is now on that
storage area. So that would be facing

983
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:52,159
the um east. Yes, you are correct that
um a few of those spaces we turned into

984
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:57,040
angled trailer parking which instead of
them being dual spots

985
01:47:54,960 --> 01:48:02,320
um they are now they're now one spot for
a truck and a trailer. So yes, I I see

986
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:08,719
what you're saying there. But I g I
guess at the end of the day whether

987
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:16,480
those spots are striped or not, we're
they're still being utilized

988
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:21,119
um currently. And so we are still even
if I go and stripe those spots next

989
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:26,480
week, it still doesn't create
necessarily more space for me because I

990
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:32,080
got inventory sitting around taking up
some of those spaces. Um,

991
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:36,560
and at the end of the day, I still need
more space. Even if they're striped, I

992
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:41,920
still it's it's a matter not of the
spaces being striped, it's a matter of

993
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:47,600
total space, period. So,
you know, that's the need for this this

994
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:52,880
other lot. Um, so, you know, obviously
obviously to help park our employees as

995
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:56,800
well. So, I I see what you're saying. I
don't I don't 100% agree. That's just,

996
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:59,440
hey, we didn't build it as we were
supposed to have. I can see why you're

997
01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:04,320
saying that because there are some
things that are different than the plan.

998
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:09,440
So, yes, I agree there. But, um, with
the inventory that we have and the

999
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:15,760
employees that we have right now, yes,
we're all on that lot currently today.

1000
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:20,320
We are all on that lot, but we got 5 lbs
of stuff in a 10 or 2 lb bag, I think

1001
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:27,920
the saying, or something like that. 10
pounds of stuff in a 5B bag. How's that?

1002
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:33,280
Anyways, uh, yeah. So regardless of how
many spaces are striped, we still need

1003
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:36,840
more space uh overall and that's what
we're looking to do.

1004
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:50,080
One other thing, let me add to that.
There is another lot that we have that

1005
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:55,760
is on the north side of this what we're
proposing for this parking lot. So,

1006
01:49:52,239 --> 01:50:00,800
there still is a space between this lot
and the airport property. It is correct

1007
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:04,880
that it is not technically in the city
of Belleview, but there is another lot

1008
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:10,320
there that will have some sort of
development on it. And so, this won't

1009
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:13,760
necessarily just be the absolute edge of
Belleview or edge of the development.

1010
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:18,719
Let's say that it is the edge of
Belleview, but it will not be the edge

1011
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:23,360
of the development um going to the
north. There will still be something

1012
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:28,639
else there at some point. Uh that will
be the edge of the development.

1013
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:35,281
It will It's not in the city, however.
It's in technically in the county. Maybe

1014
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:35,281
we can annex it. Who knows? [laughter]

1015
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:13,080
I see where you're at.
I definitely understand that cuz I feel

1016
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:13,080
like

1017
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:20,880
the the parking lot, you know, it's
going to be a book end whether you like

1018
01:51:18,639 --> 01:51:26,000
it or not. It is.
And we're asking the citizens to make a

1019
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:31,520
concession
for a plan that wasn't implemented,

1020
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:35,600
right? What was what was approved, what
was required,

1021
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:41,440
and what wasn't implemented by the
business.

1022
01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:47,440
Um, you know, looking at that aerial map
on the left, you can see a lot of

1023
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:52,080
a lot of the spaces that should be used
for parking are being used for equipment

1024
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:59,840
storage. And yet, you have this very
large fenced in storage yard

1025
01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:06,599
that potentially, I mean, this is a
snapshot in time, but potentially

1026
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:06,599
doesn't have it's not being utilized.

1027
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:17,400
I can assure you it's chuck full right
now. [laughter]

1028
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:17,400
It's stacked.

1029
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:33,440
I just I'm going back to
that meeting.

1030
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:40,920
What was it three or four weeks ago
where we had a handful of public comment

1031
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:40,920
talking about

1032
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:48,360
the style of development there that is
you know

1033
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:54,199
to my memory there were there were at
least

1034
01:52:54,960 --> 01:53:02,000
at least a few folks who stood up and
said you know

1035
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:09,880
that style of development belongs in
Twin Falls. It doesn't belong in Belio.

1036
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:09,880
Um you know the the

1037
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:19,360
all that asphalt
the the the style of the you know just

1038
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:26,719
the the style of the development is not
doesn't fit with the character that

1039
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:33,920
to my mind most Bellev residents want
Bellev to look like. And

1040
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:38,679
just extending more parking
is a continuation of that.

1041
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:51,159
A good point to uh mention this is a
public hearing and there might still be

1042
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:51,159
somebody online wishing to comment.

1043
01:53:54,159 --> 01:54:02,000
» Is there [clears throat] any
iss Yeah.

1044
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:08,239
I'm guessing. Okay.
>> Hi guys. Uh Evan Stelma 111 Tendoy.

1045
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:15,119
Um this has been a very interesting
meeting. I did speak at the last one. Um

1046
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:20,639
I would love to have you guys think
about putting a fence. If you want to do

1047
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:28,239
this there, put a fence that looks like
Sawtooth Plumbings. It looks good.

1048
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:35,280
They've landscaped it well and it's not
awful for everybody else to look at.

1049
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:41,360
Obviously, I'd rather not have something
that looks like a parking lot. Um, your

1050
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:46,239
other
dealership building, you've got weeds

1051
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:51,760
all around it. It looks terrible right
now. If you guys

1052
01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:57,119
brought your landscape guys in every
month or so to pull the weeds, go down

1053
01:54:54,320 --> 01:55:03,199
the hill down Curtly, make it look nice.
We live here. We care about our town.

1054
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:10,239
Um, we're trying to be good neighbors to
you guys and we appreciate that you guys

1055
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:16,800
are considering doing the same. I think
we still have some trees coming um on

1056
01:55:13,599 --> 01:55:23,599
the main dealership area and we haven't
seen those. Um wrap the trees around the

1057
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:28,639
back. It will make a difference. We have
a very cold climate here. Stuff doesn't

1058
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:35,840
grow fast. Don't put tiny little things
in that won't grow big and screen

1059
01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:41,199
things. Um but please consider
doing nice looking fencing. I don't

1060
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:47,119
consider chain link parking lot and
storage areas with snow machine boxes

1061
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:52,560
um an attractive entrance to the town I
live in. I chose to live here. Um I was

1062
01:55:50,639 --> 01:55:57,840
born and raised in this valley. I love
it here.

1063
01:55:54,320 --> 01:56:02,320
But this is making it difficult for all
of us to be proud of our town when this

1064
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:08,560
is what you look at. Um you've got the
Maverick sign that is so bright it's

1065
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:13,679
appalling. Um, you guys did turn the
lights down on the motorsports

1066
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:20,480
dealership. I appreciate that. But
please just listen to what these guys

1067
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:26,560
are saying. Um, we want we want to have
you succeed here, but we also want to be

1068
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:32,400
proud of what's here. So, add to the
landscaping. Maple trees don't do well

1069
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:38,560
here. Listen to them as far as the
different evergreens. That's a good good

1070
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:43,800
choice. So, thanks so much for uh giving
me a chance to um air my opinions.

1071
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:51,159
» Thank you.
>> Thanks, Alex. [clears throat]

1072
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:51,159
» Uh anyone else?

1073
01:56:52,510 --> 01:56:54,531
[clears throat]

1074
01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:01,239
» Okay, we'll go and close public comment.

1075
01:57:02,335 --> 01:57:04,355
[clears throat]

1076
01:57:06,265 --> 01:57:12,080
» [sighs]
>> You know, I guess I I'll go back to, you

1077
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:17,320
know, I I said this multiple meetings
ago that, [clears throat]

1078
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:17,320
you know, we're

1079
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:25,760
the business model they were trying to
put into that is too big. And they they

1080
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:32,920
intentionally made a choice to make a
lot smaller and now we're kind of

1081
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:32,920
suffering because of that.

1082
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:41,199
But that's that's their choice and
that's where we are. And the one thing

1083
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:51,119
that I do wonder is terms of like like
our ability to deny

1084
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:55,239
um this application to have a
to not have this at all.

1085
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:06,159
So you are the sighting body on this. In
order to approve it organized, you must

1086
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:10,800
go through the uh standards of approval
for a conditional use permit and either

1087
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:17,599
find that it meets all of them or there
is some point that they are deficient

1088
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:22,159
and there's no conditionable method for
that to be

1089
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:25,760
helpful if I read through these and you
guys discuss one by one.

1090
01:58:24,211 --> 01:58:31,960
[clears throat and cough]
170.

1091
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:31,960
» I didn't think that

1092
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:35,080
there.

1093
01:58:40,587 --> 01:58:42,607
[clears throat]

1094
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:53,360
» Yeah, probably should start here.
>> Go ahead. Okay. A will in fact will in

1095
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:57,719
fact constitute a conditional use as
established for the zoning district.

1096
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:08,000
» Y will be harmonious with and in
accordance with the general objectives

1097
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:12,679
or with any specific objectives of the
comprehensive plan and this time.

1098
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:21,560
So that's one where I have an issue.

1099
01:59:47,440 --> 02:00:01,159
Uh, chapter Five, land use goal one
objective one. Uh number five, just

1100
01:59:56,400 --> 02:00:01,159
discourage strip commercial development.

1101
02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:15,119
Uh number seven, ensure that new
development fits. I'm on page 179

1102
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:19,599
the packet. Uh, number seven, ensure
that new development fits in with

1103
02:00:17,679 --> 02:00:24,119
Belleview's historic smalltown character
and maintain its quality of life.

1104
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:47,920
I would also add in the promo infill or
essentially taking away a viable

1105
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:53,520
lot
to create a parking lot.

1106
02:00:51,760 --> 02:01:03,440
Uh we've [clears throat] got language
about gateway to the city also. Uh, I'm

1107
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:06,440
drawing a blank on where that was,
>> but

1108
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:31,760
Yeah. Uh, yep. 5.4 on page 178. Uh,
which have recognizable gateway

1109
02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:36,719
entrances are needed to define city
limits and be reinforced by signage,

1110
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:44,320
beautifification, and mark changes in
the type, style, and intensity of land

1111
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:49,840
uses. And I mean to my mind going from
agriculture to

1112
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:53,360
parking for strip development that's not
the kind of marked change in the type

1113
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:56,760
style and intensity of land use that
we're looking for.

1114
02:02:01,019 --> 02:02:03,039
» [clears throat]

1115
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:11,840
» So I don't I don't
disagree with you though and I'll

1116
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:19,599
challenge you on this and this is like
okay we're so we're going to put a

1117
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:24,119
business or a building or whatever what
is not strip development

1118
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:31,199
if you put anything up what's
>> [clears throat]

1119
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:34,199
» That's a fair question.
Uh,

1120
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:52,040
I mean, that's I know it's not a very
satisfying answer, but it's the truth. I

1121
02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:52,040
don't I don't know what you know

1122
02:02:52,159 --> 02:02:59,639
doesn't belong to the city so we don't
get to dictate what does go there. Um,

1123
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:10,239
and I wouldn't want to,
but

1124
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:17,719
I think it is within our purview to say,
you know, if something doesn't meet the

1125
02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:17,719
the the

1126
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:27,280
goals laid out in the comprehensive
plan, I I think we do have

1127
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:31,920
a place to say, you I don't know. I
don't know what it is, but it's not

1128
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:34,320
this.
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't have an

1129
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:38,080
answer either,
>> but I do wonder. I mean,

1130
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:43,599
» I remember writing that in the
comprehensive plan, you know, and

1131
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:47,440
everybody I'm like, and you're all for
it, but then it's like, okay, as a

1132
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:51,840
strip, it's like an add strip mall when
you have multiple businesses on separate

1133
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:54,960
lots. Is that considered strip
development?

1134
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:57,920
You know, I don't know. We didn't. We
certainly never defined it. I mean,

1135
02:03:56,320 --> 02:04:05,440
that's that's verbatim. What's the
confidence? So, it's like so is if we

1136
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:11,040
have somebody else brings us another
proposal and they have a building to

1137
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:14,239
sell whatever, is that not stripped?
Then,

1138
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:17,520
you know what I'm saying? It's it's kind
of an awkward situation. Oh,

1139
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:22,400
» chair,
>> chair, can I make a

1140
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:27,520
uh an observation here on these two
sections about strip development?

1141
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:34,239
» Uh, sure.
>> Um, both of these points say any

1142
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:38,400
reszoning of land outside the downtown
core for business

1143
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:42,880
must be carefully analyzed to avoid
strip development. So, these points are

1144
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:50,040
actually talking about reszonings
on these goals.

1145
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:50,040
It seems like to me

1146
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:06,599
» where are you seeing that at? I'm not
following you

1147
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:19,599
» whether it's the page 109 under chapter
5

1148
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:23,199
or page 178 under chapter 5 section 5.4.
That bullet point that speaks to strip

1149
02:05:21,679 --> 02:05:28,239
development
does say any reszoning of land and then

1150
02:05:26,719 --> 02:05:33,760
continues on to talk about strip
developments and those types of things.

1151
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:41,880
I think we may be looking at different

1152
02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:50,000
» Yeah, I was talking about the downtown
core.

1153
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:56,400
» So, you were you were referencing page
178, right? The strip development on

1154
02:05:53,599 --> 02:06:02,719
178 of the packet.
>> Yeah, that's where I am as well.

1155
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:08,560
So, I'm on towards the bottom of the
page. We've got chapter 5, land use,

1156
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:11,840
section 5.4,
concerns.

1157
02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:15,760
» One of the unique qualities of Belleview
is its visual appeal as a western

1158
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:21,040
mountain town. Critical concerns in
maintaining this asset are bullet point

1159
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:25,440
one, talking about undeveloped lands.
Bullet point two, recognizable gateway

1160
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:29,760
entrances are needed to define city
limits and be reinforced by signage,

1161
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:32,560
beautifification, and marks changes in
the type, style, and intensity of land

1162
02:06:31,599 --> 02:06:35,199
uses.
>> Right.

1163
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:38,320
» The next bullet point, any reasoning of
land outside the damp time court for

1164
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:42,800
businesses
uh and light industrial uses must be

1165
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:51,119
carefully analyzed to avoid strip
development. Um, so that does reference

1166
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:58,159
resoning. But on the next page, we get
to chapter 5, land use goal one,

1167
02:06:54,639 --> 02:07:02,880
objective one.
So this is not talking about reszoning.

1168
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:07,599
Foster a business climate that pri
prioritizes the retention of existing

1169
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:13,520
businesses to attract new independent
local businesses into the downtown

1170
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:17,840
commercial area. um and discourage drip
development

1171
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:21,840
and incur ensure that new development
fits in with Belle's historic small town

1172
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:27,679
character and maintain its quality of
life. Those are action items in chapter

1173
02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:33,360
5, land use goal one, objective one
that's not connected to resoning.

1174
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:38,280
» Gotcha. Is there like a definition
section for strict development?

1175
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:46,400
No, but I will say that there there's
been a lot of public comment over the

1176
02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:51,280
last
couple months, more than a couple months

1177
02:07:49,119 --> 02:08:00,480
that that
there's a there's a widespread community

1178
02:07:54,480 --> 02:08:05,760
sentiment that uh that this
pair of buildings at the north end of

1179
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:13,480
town have a very strict development-like
feel. I've heard it referred to that

1180
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:13,480
» that way several times.

1181
02:08:15,028 --> 02:08:22,880
[clears throat]
>> I did find within the

1182
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:26,639
I pulled up the contra comprehensive
plan the the full comprehensive plan

1183
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:33,760
document
and it does talk about

1184
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:38,880
strip malls specifically there.
um says avoid strip development, avoid

1185
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:45,760
strip commercial, the things that we
just read. And then it does say

1186
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:50,320
prevent strip mall look within
Belleview. speaking specifically towards

1187
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:54,440
national chain retail outlets and fast
food rep frauds.

1188
02:09:27,734 --> 02:09:29,754
» [clears throat]

1189
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:42,400
» So where it talks about a signage of the
gateway to the city, is there a

1190
02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:47,360
condition that could be put on that we
could provide some signage or something

1191
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:52,040
that would make that
um make that work.

1192
02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:18,960
Yeah, I mean we're we're in a kind of a
tough position because we we we

1193
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:22,480
have approved our model coming in. By
the way, it didn't meet some of the

1194
02:10:20,719 --> 02:10:26,800
specifications that we all envisioned,
but

1195
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:30,239
um we all thought the member of the
discussion building was going to look

1196
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:35,840
good. We were pleased with the mod.
There's a lot of mod building

1197
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:39,920
and uh compared to what they came in
with.

1198
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:45,840
Um and don't get me wrong, I'm not like
trying to argue for this. I'm just I

1199
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:50,400
also don't want to keep us from getting
in a pinch down the road too from

1200
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:55,000
something that
poor decision making.

1201
02:10:55,599 --> 02:11:04,239
And so, um,
I I

1202
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:09,760
I just think we got to figure out a way
to, well, I guess when it comes when it

1203
02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:16,400
comes to this and to answer, you know,
Cal's question, I think, you know, one

1204
02:11:11,679 --> 02:11:21,760
thing that I had on my list is like we
we don't have an entrance. Welcome to

1205
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:28,079
Belleview entrance sign from the north.
Um, and but I was sitting here looking

1206
02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:33,440
at the the this this particular owner
the lot line for this is it probably is

1207
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:38,480
not a good place for a local ability
because it's is going to be awkward and

1208
02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:43,280
kind of janky with it needs to be on the
lot to the north to the county. I don't

1209
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:49,599
know if that's something that we can
address or not, but but to have

1210
02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:58,079
something along that the you know the
southbound traffic say a nice line would

1211
02:11:52,719 --> 02:12:06,159
be a way that you could mitigate that
um and provide

1212
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:09,840
um provide something that that we could
could utilize.

1213
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:14,800
you know and
if [clears throat] without that then

1214
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:19,280
it's probably you know maybe there's
other ways to do that with the city

1215
02:12:16,719 --> 02:12:24,480
right or the ITV right away or whatever
maybe maybe not but it could be missed

1216
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:29,199
opportunity um if we I don't Brian if
you have thoughts on that terms of the

1217
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:33,520
you know building sign but then the ITD
has their rightway and whatever they're

1218
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:38,159
going to do with this the highway right
there is there a wiggle room to put

1219
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:42,159
something like that And
um may not have to answer that question

1220
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:46,440
right now. I won't put you on the spot,
but you see where I'm going with this.

1221
02:12:46,639 --> 02:12:56,880
An opportunity if we
don't take that

1222
02:12:52,000 --> 02:13:01,400
um to to mitigate that and to meet that
particular

1223
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:01,400
um

1224
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:15,920
I think that yeah, a way to resign would
be an appropriate condition of approval

1225
02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:21,760
to potentially mitigate this
discrepancy between their required

1226
02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:27,360
finding and what being proposed.
As far as doing it on-site or offsite, I

1227
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:31,360
would recommend not requiring offsite
improvements unless the applicant is

1228
02:13:29,119 --> 02:13:39,480
available to it.
>> Yeah. But then one thing is if there's

1229
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:39,480
not room for it, then they're out of it.

1230
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:51,239
» Brian, can you do a Google search for
the the sign at Sie Botanical Gardens?

1231
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:58,960
I mean, it's got a it's got a really
nice landscape burm behind it that to my

1232
02:13:56,800 --> 02:14:03,760
mind would provide the kind of visual
screening that we're that we're looking

1233
02:14:00,719 --> 02:14:08,560
for. And it's a really attractive
um

1234
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:16,000
you know, the last thing I would want is
a is a brightly lit billboard that says

1235
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:20,159
welcome to Belleview. Yeah.
>> Uh

1236
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:24,560
» you don't want like a Las Vegas style
one with all the lights and

1237
02:14:21,679 --> 02:14:27,960
» Oh yeah, we could do neon. [laughter]
>> I love it.

1238
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:35,639
That is one of the best signs I would
>> Yeah. Valley

1239
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:48,280
» I think that's an artifact of the photos
of the

1240
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:48,280
» That's what I'm saying.

1241
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:52,520
» Yeah, that's funny.

1242
02:14:54,239 --> 02:15:03,280
garden. Um but
that would be something you know

1243
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:09,280
especially if we
you know if there was a

1244
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:15,599
so it's not just trees screening you
know I know typically we would probably

1245
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:21,679
discourage
like an earth and berm there but I think

1246
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:26,320
that might be a a situation where one
could be appropriate

1247
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:32,079
um you know provide you know, provide a
a backdrop for for a s, you know, for

1248
02:15:29,679 --> 02:15:36,920
some some signage or or a welcome
feature like that. Um,

1249
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:44,880
I don't know that that's something I
could get on board with as

1250
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:49,119
um, you know, kind of dual purpose,
providing that that gateway to the

1251
02:15:47,599 --> 02:15:55,119
community.
um providing some, you know, some more

1252
02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:59,040
hard or solid visual screening from the
parking area coming into town from the

1253
02:15:57,040 --> 02:16:05,280
north. You know, you'll still see it if
you look out your passenger side window

1254
02:16:02,079 --> 02:16:08,480
driving into town, but to me, having
that, you know, having that windshield

1255
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:12,719
view as you're coming into town from the
north, that's a that's a pretty big

1256
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:15,119
deal.
And this is kind of our one chance to do

1257
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:18,719
it
>> and to provide some type of, you know, I

1258
02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:22,960
don't want to mirror this, but to
provide some type of texture

1259
02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:27,360
» to it instead of just like a billboard
sign or something or other, I think that

1260
02:16:24,639 --> 02:16:30,480
would be um
and material. I mean, that's with

1261
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:35,519
something like that.
>> Yeah.

1262
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:38,160
» Even the Haley sign right there on Fox,
it's nicely done.

1263
02:16:37,359 --> 02:16:42,639
» Yeah.
>> I prefer this.

1264
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:48,920
» Yeah. or something like that as well.
That'd be I would lean toward that more

1265
02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:48,920
than I would lean toward.

1266
02:16:49,679 --> 02:16:53,960
» I would agree.
>> I don't completely.

1267
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:06,559
» Yeah, it's it's going to be partially
hidden by trees there

1268
02:17:04,880 --> 02:17:11,080
hopefully.
But yeah, that to me it just looks too

1269
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:26,240
something that that's not just one one
plate, you know, that has some backdrop

1270
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:31,280
to it. But
I would write that into a condition, but

1271
02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:35,359
I think
generally speaking, I would recommend

1272
02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:37,920
against you guys being the judges of
art.

1273
02:17:36,559 --> 02:17:41,679
But you guys seem to have a lot of
opinions on this. It may be appropriate

1274
02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:45,760
to request that they come up with some
concepts and bring them back to you guys

1275
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:50,240
for
>> So with that though with looking at the

1276
02:17:48,319 --> 02:17:56,240
property line,
you know, I don't know if there if

1277
02:17:52,080 --> 02:18:02,559
there's really room to
put much in there.

1278
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:07,760
» The snow storage makes that tough.
>> Yeah. Um

1279
02:18:05,359 --> 02:18:13,120
cuz when I as I [clears throat] have
driven by

1280
02:18:10,399 --> 02:18:19,359
» Yeah, they would.
>> It's uh the the location that I was

1281
02:18:16,399 --> 02:18:25,200
thinking of was actually just just I
mean just a teeny bit north of where the

1282
02:18:21,439 --> 02:18:28,800
actual entrance is to that,
you know, the current entrance off the

1283
02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:32,080
main street, but not north of the
property, this property.

1284
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:35,599
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. drive there.

1285
02:18:33,439 --> 02:18:38,639
» Could we
go?

1286
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:43,920
» Could we shift that? Could we shift that
spruce back a little bit and put it

1287
02:18:40,960 --> 02:18:50,000
there between the sidewalk
and where that spruce is? Sorry, not

1288
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:54,559
that spruce. Out on the frontage.
Yes.

1289
02:18:51,679 --> 02:19:00,000
Yep. Kind of in in that area between the
sidewalk and that spruce.

1290
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:05,040
And maybe we swap, we flip-flop so it
goes maple spruce so that it would be

1291
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:10,000
the maple kind of over the top of this
sign and then the spruce and alternate

1292
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:13,880
from there. Of course, maybe it's a
ponderosa pine. Now

1293
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:25,519
» I'm not sure if that's
how much room is that there.

1294
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:29,200
» Yeah. What's the depth of that little
island?

1295
02:19:27,359 --> 02:19:32,479
Give me one second. I'll measure it real
quick.

1296
02:19:30,319 --> 02:19:36,559
» What What's the width of that island? I
think this is the question.

1297
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:39,200
» Yeah. If you built anything up, would
you be

1298
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:43,960
» sightines blocking?
>> I I guess I had in my mind something

1299
02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:53,280
substantial enough that if we put it in
that island, it's going to make sight

1300
02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:58,560
lines from that that
uh curb cut off Main Street.

1301
02:19:57,120 --> 02:20:05,319
problematic. Yeah.
>> So, the space between the sidewalk and

1302
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:05,319
that curb and gutter is 35 ft.

1303
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:12,160
It's a pretty good amount of space that
you know if you put that kind of on an

1304
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:19,280
angle
so that it's kind of more perpendicular

1305
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:23,600
to the driver's eyes as they're passing
by.

1306
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:30,640
Um, you could actually get a pretty
substantial, you know, BM sign deal in

1307
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:37,319
that space and still maintain a clear
sight triangle down the sidewalk

1308
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:37,319
clearing the sign.

1309
02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:48,000
think I could
if we did something like that and kind

1310
02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:52,800
of also rethink going back to our
intersections and setbacks and all that

1311
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:58,000
kind of stuff. Are we are we setting
everybody up for a failure here if we do

1312
02:20:55,520 --> 02:21:01,760
something like that because of our a
vision triangle debacle?

1313
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:07,439
» Vision triangle.
>> So yeah, your sight triangle there would

1314
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:12,399
be fine. Um, I would just make sure that
the rightmost end of that sign, and we

1315
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:15,439
draw this all out to make sure that it
doesn't go into the side triangle, but

1316
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:19,319
the rightmost corner is the only thing
that would get close.

1317
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:29,439
And I believe this is a great swale. It
dips down below.

1318
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:34,520
» Yeah, that goes down. Yes. So, it could
even theoretically expand a little bit.

1319
02:22:02,399 --> 02:22:08,640
You go Um, you go to Google Earth
because I'm not sure if you go on Google

1320
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:12,479
Maps you can measure or something. I'm
just curious like the width of that

1321
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:20,640
city.
We can estimate it too, but I just

1322
02:22:15,439 --> 02:22:24,160
» city is like 10 or 12 feet wide
at the most. I think it's more like

1323
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:28,240
eight.
>> Yeah,

1324
02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:34,240
» if I had to guess. It's hard to
>> get a great sense of it, but

1325
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:41,280
» yeah, most most street monument signs
that we've done or been a part of have

1326
02:22:37,359 --> 02:22:49,359
kind of been in that 6 to 12t range
generally. Um, larger displays kind of

1327
02:22:45,359 --> 02:22:52,359
get more in that like just shy of 20
usually.

1328
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:58,040
That might be a tough one to

1329
02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:04,080
» I'll bet you that saw to one that one
looked more like a

1330
02:23:03,439 --> 02:23:09,720
» It's big.
>> Somewhere between Yeah. like 18 20ish.

1331
02:23:10,960 --> 02:23:16,000
» Yeah.
>> I bet that's 30.

1332
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:21,280
» Yeah. Right there.
I've seen landscape trucks parked in

1333
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:26,120
that area and
it's a good bit longer than a

1334
02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:31,160
Oh, it's longer than that.

1335
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:37,800
» Oh, yeah.
>> I can't I see it.

1336
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:50,960
Yeah. So total end to end with all the
rocks on the sawtooth one that one's

1337
02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:54,640
like 50 feet.
>> I know

1338
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:58,439
that [laughter] is that is a very large
one.

1339
02:23:55,439 --> 02:23:58,439
» Yeah.

1340
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:06,479
» Yeah. That's the SI mechanical gardens.
Yeah.

1341
02:24:05,120 --> 02:24:12,000
» Yeah. Yeah. And that's I guess that's
measuring from

1342
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:16,080
even the the rock at ground level all
the way over to the other rock at ground

1343
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:19,040
level. That's not where it starts
getting vertical and depth to it,

1344
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:26,000
» right?
>> That's kind of hard to pick out, but

1345
02:24:22,800 --> 02:24:31,359
and that's kind of where where my mind
goes is, you know, something

1346
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:38,240
substantial. It doesn't have to be a,
you know, a sign that's 25 ft wide, but

1347
02:24:34,479 --> 02:24:44,479
a feature that's got some some movement
and some substantial size to it. Um, you

1348
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:50,560
know, some some boulders placed in that
in that swale kind of off to each side

1349
02:24:46,960 --> 02:24:55,920
of it can will really help. I you know,
we're getting again too far, I think,

1350
02:24:52,319 --> 02:25:02,000
into the design aspect of it. Um, but I
guess that

1351
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:11,240
my vision for something that is, you
know, that's a gateway to the city, um,

1352
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:11,240
is something with some substance to it.

1353
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:17,840
Just throwing an idea out there. One
thing that I've seen in some other

1354
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:21,280
cities that we do business is uh they
have like a you know a big a big rock

1355
02:25:19,840 --> 02:25:27,280
like a big boulder and have it all
engraved you know and then the in the

1356
02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:31,439
letters are painted inside and it lasts
you know it it's not it it doesn't uh

1357
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:36,080
look like
>> crap after a few years. Something like

1358
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:41,280
that may be in order as long as you guys
like something like that.

1359
02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:45,439
Feels like a memorial.
>> Yeah, maybe a flag pole or something

1360
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:49,920
next to it. Who knows? I mean, I think
we could do something cool.

1361
02:25:48,160 --> 02:25:53,240
I'm being serious about the flag pole,
by the way.

1362
02:25:53,280 --> 02:26:00,319
Well, I think the one thing though maybe
the question so we don't get too far

1363
02:25:56,399 --> 02:26:05,359
into the the design at this time is to
go if there's enough room. We think

1364
02:26:02,240 --> 02:26:10,760
there's enough room there to not be a
safety issue. they end up with something

1365
02:26:07,359 --> 02:26:10,760
there then

1366
02:26:11,760 --> 02:26:19,280
do the do the armchair [clears throat]
quarterback running you know they could

1367
02:26:16,720 --> 02:26:23,160
bring us up and then
start that around

1368
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:32,000
do do we but of course that's 35 ft we
don't want to use the whole 30 or 35 ft

1369
02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:37,200
we so
>> yeah you know there's a ton of design

1370
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:41,280
work that could happen there. But, you
know, you could make, you know, it could

1371
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:44,800
be a curved shape, so you get the the
substance, but you don't you're not

1372
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:49,680
locked into any one straight line
dimension. There's some there's a

1373
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:52,920
there's a lot of different ways to skin
that cap.

1374
02:26:54,399 --> 02:27:01,359
» Yeah. And for reference, that line that
you have in front of you drawn right

1375
02:26:57,840 --> 02:27:04,520
there is about 40 some odd feet long in
that orientation.

1376
02:27:06,399 --> 02:27:09,399
more

1377
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:15,920
signage
that

1378
02:27:14,240 --> 02:27:20,960
I just want to go back to making sure
from the safety aspect.

1379
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:26,240
» I mean,
just make sure that they're the ones

1380
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:29,520
designing it that they're a competent
engineer that can make sure that it's

1381
02:27:27,520 --> 02:27:32,520
out of sight lines.
Okay.

1382
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:39,600
Yeah. And I guess one one last thing
before we stop that. Is is that the

1383
02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:44,319
location
for that, you know, you're coming into

1384
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:47,280
that the
is that the spot we want to sign because

1385
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:51,760
it's, you know, you got you're going to
have Maverick right behind it. You have

1386
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:58,080
Maverick right behind it. So be in front
of that. Um, and maybe even there could

1387
02:27:55,760 --> 02:28:02,880
be
some shrubbery

1388
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:05,880
that would help soften the maverick
sign.

1389
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:16,200
» How you get shrubbery that
softens the maverick sign but doesn't

1390
02:28:12,319 --> 02:28:16,200
impede sight lines.

1391
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:20,080
» Those are kind of competing.
>> Yeah.

1392
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:24,399
» Goals.
You kind of have that with some of the,

1393
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:28,560
you know, pulling to Atinson's the
street boulevards.

1394
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:30,160
» The the worst one in town is the country
store.

1395
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:34,319
» Yeah.
>> Getting out of the country store on the

1396
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:36,399
main street is total
>> is tough.

1397
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:41,399
» Yeah.
>> When those trees are have foliage on

1398
02:28:38,399 --> 02:28:41,399
them.

1399
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:50,240
» Yeah. Um
[clears throat] I would like it north of

1400
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:54,560
that. I would too if I had a magic wand.
>> Came in wants to, you know, maybe e over

1401
02:28:52,479 --> 02:28:57,760
a little
>> piece to the city.

1402
02:28:56,160 --> 02:29:02,240
» Is that something you would consider,
Ken?

1403
02:29:00,399 --> 02:29:05,680
» I'm sorry. What was the question?
>> To put it on the the the lot to the

1404
02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:08,000
north,
>> I'm assuming.

1405
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:11,040
» Well, I think that that is certainly
something that we would consider. The

1406
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:14,880
only I don't want to throw up a
roadblock, but the only thing I would be

1407
02:29:12,880 --> 02:29:20,640
concerned about is what happens if we
sold that lot and we were no longer the

1408
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:25,439
owners of it. So, I think that there's a
few things there that we would need to

1409
02:29:22,880 --> 02:29:29,760
talk about. But, absolutely. I mean, if
that's something that you guys like

1410
02:29:27,439 --> 02:29:35,520
better. I mean, I like that spot inside
that island. I think that that's I I

1411
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:40,479
think that that's it's actually um very
visible when you're coming in the city.

1412
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:45,120
And who knows what could potentially go
on that northern lot in the future or

1413
02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:49,479
who is going to own it. So I I think
that's maybe just something to consider.

1414
02:29:49,680 --> 02:29:55,680
» We're not actively selling it just in
case you're wondering. But [laughter]

1415
02:29:53,120 --> 02:29:58,240
» no, it's going to need a access and
maintenance easement or something to

1416
02:29:57,359 --> 02:30:04,640
that effect.
>> Yeah.

1417
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:09,200
» Regardless of which lot it falls on.
>> Yeah. Well, then that's with the county

1418
02:30:07,359 --> 02:30:13,280
and I don't know the county rags off the
top of my head as far as like signing

1419
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:20,720
and that kind of thing.
Sure, it's maybe possible, but who knows

1420
02:30:15,439 --> 02:30:26,800
what stipulations they may. Um,
you know, I almost like to, you know, I

1421
02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:32,160
want to take this into future meetings,
but also I almost want to like go out

1422
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:37,600
and almost have a field tour to to look
at that. And I'm serious about putting

1423
02:30:34,880 --> 02:30:41,040
some type of a tree or something, even
if it's a ponderosa that grows up and

1424
02:30:39,359 --> 02:30:48,080
you lose some of the stuff to soften
that maverick sign. I'd be all for and

1425
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:53,600
but I couldn't tell you where from right
here where to place that and the type of

1426
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:56,080
of tree or shrub or whatever that would
be.

1427
02:30:54,000 --> 02:31:01,240
» Right. It's tricky with that drainage
well running through the middle of it.

1428
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:05,760
» Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we got to thread the
needle. I think it's possible,

1429
02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:09,600
» but we [clears throat] got we got I
can't do it by sitting around.

1430
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:13,680
» When you say
stopping that, are you talking about the

1431
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:20,160
the sign with the gas prices on it or
are you talking about the the

1432
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:23,439
front of the store or are you talking
about the canopy?

1433
02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:29,120
» Well, I was originally thinking about
the sun with the gas.

1434
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:32,600
Um
cuz I think

1435
02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:40,960
is that on that's not on any image yet,
is it? The Maverick.

1436
02:31:40,020 --> 02:31:43,960
[snorts]
Um,

1437
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:53,240
I would I would be warm to

1438
02:31:54,479 --> 02:32:05,760
much warmer to this project if it did
incorporate some things like that that

1439
02:31:59,520 --> 02:32:11,720
that um that kind of soften the the
bright commercial. [snorts]

1440
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:11,720
Lots of pavement

1441
02:32:12,960 --> 02:32:18,439
you know 100,000 person city feel

1442
02:32:18,479 --> 02:32:21,479
um

1443
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:29,200
or you know not 100 thou what you know
what I'm saying um [clears throat]

1444
02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:36,000
» if we could incorporate a few things
into this plan that that soften that um

1445
02:32:33,359 --> 02:32:39,920
that as the as the feeling you get
coming into Belleview from the north I

1446
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:43,120
would be I'd be much warmer to the
project overall.

1447
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:49,840
» You know, I think one thing that we
could

1448
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:53,600
consider requesting is a mockup,
>> you know. Some renderings from

1449
02:32:52,479 --> 02:32:54,800
perspectives and
>> Yep.

1450
02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:58,880
» Yep.
>> Yep. Because that would

1451
02:32:57,280 --> 02:33:02,640
because you know, even if we all went
out there, it still is would have some

1452
02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:08,560
renderings that we could all wrap our
head around. Mhm.

1453
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:08,560
» Um would be I