1 00:00:00,050 --> 00:00:00,650 It 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:18,520 is 6.31 PM, and I call the September 3rd, 2026, environmental services commission meeting to order. Next, I will do a roll call. 3 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,340 Commissioner Margolis, Commissioner Highnosh. 4 00:00:25,340 --> 00:00:28,200 Here. Commissioner Tyson. 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,180 Present. Commissioner de Pertis. 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,600 Present. And commissioners, one, and 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,660 Laxon are excused as evening. 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Good evening and welcome to the September 3rd 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,020 Environmental Services Commission meeting. 10 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:46,980 At this point I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda. 11 00:00:48,260 --> 00:00:49,920 I have motion to approve. 12 00:00:52,090 --> 00:00:52,870 I second. 13 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:55,550 Hearing no objections. 14 00:00:55,550 --> 00:00:58,610 the agenda is approved as motioned. 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,400 First item on the agenda is oral and written communications are now open. 16 00:01:08,060 --> 00:01:13,540 Remember there is a three-minute time limit per person and 30 minutes total per meeting. 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,040 Public comment shall be limited to matters relating to the city of Bellevue Government and 18 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,100 to subject matters encompassed within the powers and duties of this commission. 19 00:01:23,100 --> 00:01:29,520 Persons participating in commission meetings must not engage in speech or conduct that disrupts 20 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,040 disturbs or otherwise impedes the orderly conduct of any meeting. 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,460 Disruptions may include, but are not limited to, failure of a speaker to comply with the commission bylaws, 22 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,200 concerning public combat. 23 00:01:43,460 --> 00:01:46,260 Joe, do we have anyone registered for oral communications? 24 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:47,840 I see we do. 25 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:54,640 I have the list. And on there I see, make sure I get the correct one. 26 00:01:59,090 --> 00:02:00,430 Okay, the Mr. Zimmerman. 27 00:02:01,190 --> 00:02:05,950 You're up, you're up. If you'd like to make a comments. Yes. 28 00:02:05,950 --> 00:02:11,690 Yeah, guys. That's a pure discriminatory and harassment because it's shared different from your chair. 29 00:02:12,830 --> 00:02:16,150 So this week we can get you a nice chair. There we go. 30 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:17,630 Yes. That was easy to do. 31 00:02:17,630 --> 00:02:19,890 The last as is all equal. 32 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:25,980 I love you guys. 33 00:02:26,420 --> 00:02:29,080 For you, you'll create a bunch of videos. 34 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:31,320 I'm sorry. 35 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:33,160 Yeah. 36 00:02:37,420 --> 00:02:38,360 My name is Alexander. 37 00:02:38,460 --> 00:02:40,420 I'm president of Sanda Paterica. 38 00:02:41,140 --> 00:02:43,120 Guys, you look to me like, 39 00:02:43,620 --> 00:02:44,340 what is this? 40 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:45,280 Yeah. 41 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,000 What is civilized war, I need to come to you, you. 42 00:02:52,980 --> 00:02:54,440 I like one detail. 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:55,960 I think I like one detail. 44 00:02:56,580 --> 00:02:59,120 about an environment, what does it mean? 45 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,960 Consul Tugaservit Union, what is min acting like a bunch of fascists in a human brain? 46 00:03:07,180 --> 00:03:09,140 Bell of YouTube, total collapse. 47 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:13,200 In environment, what does your environment you're talking? 48 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:15,380 Look what is happening around. 49 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,980 Building, building, building, building. 50 00:03:19,220 --> 00:03:21,020 People, people, people. 51 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:23,560 Transportation. 52 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:33,520 It's a nightmare. What is talking about the environment? Right now, Beloved, you have so many 53 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:39,080 gas from car, you know what is mean? Because traffic huge. 54 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:43,260 People stay in for hours. 55 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,340 It's a nightmare, 56 00:03:47,340 --> 00:03:55,340 But as I cannot understand who this is, or you did this, absolutely, because I talking about this for many years. 57 00:03:56,220 --> 00:03:59,660 You need something fix it, how we can fix it, this is only one. 58 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,500 Sounds for fix it clean all. 59 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:07,820 Consum, together with you, because by definition you are a killer, a bad jitter. 60 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:14,100 I remember Bella, before a year or a year or a year, I remember Bella, a nice beautiful place. 61 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:21,460 air, clean, not traffic. But this go worse, they don't go better, and I never see one 62 00:04:21,460 --> 00:04:26,000 board from you. You know what is mean? No, from console, cow, we can stop and this. 63 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:32,700 No, one. It's a nightmare, you know what is mean? You know, care about people. You don't 64 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:37,420 understand this? We have right now traffic, what is probably, don't have a knowledge, you 65 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:45,920 small city like Blackbell with 450,000 people. Why you do this? Is a cutting cut speed, 66 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,820 cutting cut speed, cutting cut speed, each time but as you cut speed for five miles, 67 00:04:50,820 --> 00:04:53,400 and then working 25% of the work. 68 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,780 You understand by a token? 69 00:04:56,140 --> 00:04:58,580 You know, it's a way to do this. 70 00:04:59,080 --> 00:04:59,980 Yeah? Oh, maybe... 71 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:14,700 If you mentally sick, or there's a problem, yeah, absolutely. You post to be, maybe, you'd go to mental institution, yeah, and doctor will be helping you. Little bit may situation better. 72 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:25,020 We were Trump. We were New American Revolution. Stand up, slave and happy cow. Guys, it's cannot be forever. It's possible to be stopped and stopped and destroyed. 73 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:32,040 Bell of Youth Fundamentally on Nazi dirty pig, Viva America. 74 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:41,860 Thank you for my ask from my ask. 75 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:45,600 Okay. 76 00:05:45,860 --> 00:05:51,200 I see no other names on the sign-up list for the oral communications or their others, members 77 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,180 of the audience that would like to make three-minute oral communications at this point. 78 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:02,640 Joe, do we have any written communications? 79 00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:08,990 No written communications outside of the public here in this time. 80 00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:10,170 Okay, thank you. 81 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:17,830 Right, and then we'll move on to staff reports, do we? 82 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:24,770 I do have a short staff report. I'm just one of touch-based, you recall of Dave Baish, 83 00:06:25,010 --> 00:06:29,710 our engineering assistant director, Dave took a position with North Shore Utility District 84 00:06:29,710 --> 00:06:34,950 to be their engineering manager. I don't know if we, I don't think we covered that back in these, 85 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:41,990 it just was announced in July. So he left in late July early August and he's starting up over there. 86 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:48,930 Very happy to be closer to home. Well, miss him. Thank you. That's it. All right. 87 00:06:50,570 --> 00:06:56,670 Then the next item on the agenda is approval of the minutes, the first being the June 18th 88 00:06:56,670 --> 00:06:57,990 minute. 89 00:07:00,730 --> 00:07:02,370 Motion to approve those minutes. 90 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:09,420 Hi, second. Any discussion or corrections? 91 00:07:12,290 --> 00:07:13,970 Hearing none, those minutes are approved. 92 00:07:14,470 --> 00:07:18,450 Next, we'll look at the July second meeting minutes. 93 00:07:19,030 --> 00:07:19,750 I 94 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:27,010 moved to approve the July second meeting minutes. 95 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:37,530 Hi, second. Any discussion, corrections, alterations, additions, elaborations. 96 00:07:37,530 --> 00:07:41,990 Hearing none, the July 2nd meeting minutes are approved. 97 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:48,260 Unfinished business, there is none at this point. 98 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:59,460 So new business, we will have a presentation on the 27 and 28 utilities budgets and 99 00:07:59,460 --> 00:08:02,940 an update and then launch into a public hearing after that. 100 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:14,900 Good evening commissioners. 101 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:19,180 With me tonight, as you know, as Matt Hobbson, our fiscal manager, and we're here tonight 102 00:08:19,180 --> 00:08:23,120 to continue the Commission's review of utilities proposed budget and rates for the next 103 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,530 biannium moment, 104 00:08:42,950 --> 00:08:43,930 just a quick preview. 105 00:08:46,420 --> 00:08:49,660 So the action for tonight, as you can see, the Commission will hold a public hearing 106 00:08:49,660 --> 00:08:56,800 on the utilities department proposed 2027 and 2028 operating budget, the 2027 to 2032 capital 107 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:02,060 budget, and the rates needed for the next two years to fund the proposed budgets. 108 00:09:03,700 --> 00:09:09,040 Looking at the agenda for this evening, since we last presented to you, we've made a handful 109 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,560 of minor updates to the proposed budget and the rates to share with you and the updates 110 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:15,640 come in two essential flavors here. 111 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,520 First, there were a series of technical adjustments made to citywide expenses like medical 112 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,480 benefits, general insurance and indirect costs. 113 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Our capital renewal and replacement or RNR fund. This funding strategy preserves the long-term asset management 114 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:13,980 strategy for the water utility, while also creating some near-term rate relief for customers. Following 115 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:19,540 the recap, we will segue to the public hearing, and that will include a brief overview of the proposed budget 116 00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:26,680 and rates. Next, I'll turn it over to Matt to actually highlight the updates to utilities proposed budget and rates ahead of the public hearing. 117 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:44,490 So the proposed rate increases for 2027 and 2028 as well as the projected rate increases for the following four years are shown on screen. 118 00:10:45,390 --> 00:10:51,350 These rates have been revised downward since July 2 commission meeting. 119 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:57,990 The revision is due primarily to the Commission's direction to redirect the 120 00:10:57,990 --> 00:11:00,990 portion of the Water Utility Transfer from the R&R program. 121 00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:06,930 Generally, the rating crisis has been adjusted downward each year of the financial 122 00:11:06,930 --> 00:11:11,130 forecast by about 2-10s to 3-10s of 1%. 123 00:11:11,130 --> 00:11:15,130 I want to just pause here for context. 124 00:11:15,130 --> 00:11:22,190 So the figures on this slide represents the overall rate revenue increases required to support 125 00:11:22,190 --> 00:11:23,050 each utility. 126 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:31,710 Due to the sewer rate equity adjustments, the actual bill impacts to single family residential 127 00:11:31,710 --> 00:11:36,250 and non-residential customer impacts will be slightly higher than shown here. 128 00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:41,650 And conversely, the rate increases for multi-family residential rate increase will be slightly 129 00:11:41,650 --> 00:11:43,090 lower than these estimates. 130 00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:45,390 more than these, these staff percentages. 131 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:53,000 I'm now going to turn over to the vice chair to start the public hearing. 132 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:55,420 Okay. 133 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:10,730 Then we will start into the public hearing. The purpose of this hearing is to allow public comment on the 27 and 28 utilities proposed budget and rates. 134 00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:16,590 I want to remind all those who wish to speak at the public hearing to please sign up on the sheet. 135 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:20,270 If you haven't already registered and I have that sheet. 136 00:12:21,350 --> 00:12:24,690 I want to remind the audience members that you don't need to sign to speak. 137 00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:28,530 However, those who sign in on the sheet will get to go first. 138 00:12:29,390 --> 00:12:35,190 The Commission's role is to consider the requested budget in rates, as well as the comments received, 139 00:12:35,870 --> 00:12:39,870 and provide a recommendation to City Council for their consideration. 140 00:12:40,930 --> 00:12:45,770 A summary of the public comments and the Commission's recommendation will be provided to City Council. 141 00:12:45,770 --> 00:12:50,590 This is tentatively scheduled for the Council's October 13th meeting. 142 00:12:51,910 --> 00:12:56,450 Scott Edwards, Utilities Deputy Director, who just moved closer. 143 00:12:57,070 --> 00:13:01,870 Okay, and Matt Hobbs and Fiscal Manager are here to present a high level overview of 144 00:13:01,870 --> 00:13:04,170 for the requested budget, which they just did. 145 00:13:06,540 --> 00:13:06,880 Thank you. 146 00:13:07,140 --> 00:13:09,120 Do I have a motion to open the public hearing? 147 00:13:10,700 --> 00:13:12,800 I move that we open the public hearing. 148 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:24,040 and the second. The date is September 3rd. The time is 644 PM and the public 149 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,140 meeting is now open. We will start with the testimony here of the signing 150 00:13:29,140 --> 00:13:35,100 sheet, Mr. Zimmerman. You are up first. You're ready for the day to day to day to 151 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:40,220 Yes, I'm very happy. In my ass, I'm very happy. 152 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,100 To people in my face. 153 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,760 Oh, yeah. 154 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,300 Yeah, my name Alex Abram, President of Stentabarka. 155 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:58,720 Guys, what does she go racism? 156 00:13:58,860 --> 00:14:02,780 I'm spending school, Tvone, plus here, I cannot understand. 157 00:14:02,780 --> 00:14:10,020 I prefer cash, but it's cash, you can show me cash, I don't show me cash. 158 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,280 Because this figure is this percentage, it's confused me. 159 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:19,840 Are you idiot? Why don't show cash? 160 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,760 Make this idiot look better? 161 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,920 Because this room in a forest here at Bellevue, 150,000 idiot, 162 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,440 Where is cash? 163 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,340 Show me cash. 164 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,320 You don't want to show cash, I will show cash now. 165 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:41,980 So last week, two weeks ago, proximity, I am budget hearing here. 166 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:43,940 So situation is so unique. 167 00:14:44,420 --> 00:14:45,500 So idiotic. 168 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,020 Only pure, the generative, the idiotic can do it. 169 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:50,840 With Bellevue, what is happen? 170 00:14:51,780 --> 00:14:55,880 So Bellevue budget, one point you billion dollars. 171 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:59,640 So people from room ask. 172 00:15:00,140 --> 00:15:07,700 Budget director, you know what is mean? What's going on in city? He told me, yes, we don't have enough money. 173 00:15:08,420 --> 00:15:15,000 I am totally interested. So I'm stupid, you know what is mean, and I prefer cash. 174 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:23,980 So a little bit come to my head and I think in my gosh GDP in bill 350, $150 billion. 175 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:31,320 And, see, you barged $1 billion. So you freaking degenerative in the EU, what? 176 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:39,140 And, when did you criminal, you know what I mean? Don't understand different between $150 billion and $1 billion. 177 00:15:40,220 --> 00:15:45,660 Who have the 100th floor, you nine billion dollars, where is the money go? 178 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:47,700 You don't understand? 179 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,560 Belawicitation absolutely idiotic, console pure critiquin' a bandita. 180 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,320 Kill people, kill city, do you never seen? 181 00:15:56,820 --> 00:16:01,740 150 billion dollars, GDP, one billion dollars, bail will be budget. 182 00:16:01,740 --> 00:16:03,320 But, that's what it's here. 183 00:16:03,580 --> 00:16:05,560 Cash, cash, cash, cash, all of me. 184 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,540 Exactly. Why are you doing this? Can you explain to me? 185 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,220 Amazon, Microsoft, this country, 186 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,900 20,000, Slav, Hobartin, for them, 187 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,240 make a ton of money. 188 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,040 If we have people or dinner, people like Mikho, 189 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,320 Livin Belly, for four years, low income, 190 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,100 senior citizen, you know what is mean? 191 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:24,860 How only one billion dollars? 192 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,420 My question to you, you freakin' creatina. 193 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,560 What is different between 150 billion dollars? 194 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,160 You know, it's a dual something, you know what is mean? 195 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:36,840 Maybe, you don't know the other. 196 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:39,900 Tvoni Bax, you don't know the other. 197 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:42,320 Tvoni Millions, you don't know the other. 198 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:43,360 Tvoni Millions, you know the other. 199 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,020 Tvoni Millions, you know the other. 200 00:16:45,020 --> 00:16:45,740 You understand? 201 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,040 Viva Trump, you know American Revolution. 202 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:49,260 Stand up, Slevin. 203 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,040 Happy cow. 204 00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:51,900 Stop it, steal us money. 205 00:16:53,660 --> 00:16:54,660 Thank you very much. 206 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:55,780 Have a nice day. 207 00:16:58,810 --> 00:16:58,930 Bye. 208 00:16:59,770 --> 00:17:00,290 Bye. 209 00:17:04,620 --> 00:17:05,080 Bye. 210 00:17:16,070 --> 00:17:23,710 the second name on the list and I forgive me if I mispronounce this Al-Deaderman. 211 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:40,200 I have exchanged emails concerning the low income utility rate assistance program. 212 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:48,380 As you all know, a major driver for rate increases is cascaded in King County wastewater 213 00:17:49,460 --> 00:17:50,500 rate increases. 214 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:58,380 Well, both of those agencies have shown a lot of sympathy for a little income customers. 215 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,100 I don't believe either one of them is stepped up to the plate in terms of trying to provide 216 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:04,400 some assistance. 217 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,660 Many low-income customers have problems that they can't really solve. 218 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:20,840 Leaks both in the service lines and indoor polling fixtures. There's really no helpful 219 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:33,080 assistance that they can obtain that's going to help lower their costs and what's the 220 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:40,660 as well as the city step up and offer some kind of assistance and I think that program would 221 00:18:40,660 --> 00:18:48,100 be best driven through the contributory rate assistance program where there's other two 222 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:54,240 wholesale utilities in the city could contribute funds and practices and could also contribute 223 00:18:54,240 --> 00:19:02,700 funds to assist, well, I come customers to get plumbers or to get, we play our fixed 224 00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:08,540 broken fixtures, toilets, appliances, so that they get on track to reduce their consumption. 225 00:19:09,020 --> 00:19:15,160 And my suggestion was that you look at the high consumption customers that are already on 226 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,460 rate of assistance. Those are the folks that really could use the help. Maybe that's some kind 227 00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:27,640 threshold target those folks and offer them some type of additional financial 228 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:38,680 assistance not not that you know some kind of subsidy is not appropriate for them I 229 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:45,420 think it is but I think they need to help in hand more than just a handout and I 230 00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:50,740 really like the city to consider offering a program like that do there will 231 00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:53,560 to come customers, particularly the high consumption. 232 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:54,580 We'll come customers. 233 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,240 Thank you. 234 00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:57,600 All right. Thank you for your comments. 235 00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:09,860 There are no other names on the list. Are there members of the public in attendance that would like to comment? 236 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:15,960 All right, seeing none. 237 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:53,830 Go at this point, we'll provide a high level overview of the 2,027-2,028 operating budget for the utilities department, as well as the 2,027-2,032 six-year capital improvement program. 238 00:20:53,830 --> 00:21:09,630 And then finally, in overview of the 2027 and 2028 utility rates, the slide up on screen shows the proposed to your operating budget for the four lines of business provided by the utilities department. 239 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:14,730 It would be for water for sewer, storm water and for solid waste. 240 00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:22,330 In total, the two-year operating budget is about $588 million, and once again, that represents 241 00:21:22,330 --> 00:21:28,290 the funding necessary for the next two years to pay for our operating and our capital support 242 00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:29,350 needs. 243 00:21:30,150 --> 00:21:34,530 The commission has seen this pie chapter four, but just as an overview, starting at 12 o'clock, 244 00:21:34,770 --> 00:21:42,110 and moving clockwise, wholesale costs, which are in the red slice, total $175 million, or about 245 00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:44,510 one-third of the total biennial budget. 246 00:21:46,170 --> 00:21:53,310 Local and state taxes total $48.8 million, and support services total $34 million. 247 00:21:56,150 --> 00:22:01,210 Together, the wholesale services, the taxes, and support services, 248 00:22:01,890 --> 00:22:06,550 the comprised just over half of the total operating budget for the Utilities Department. 249 00:22:07,790 --> 00:22:15,550 The next PISLICE Intel is CIP support that's capital improvement program support and totals 250 00:22:15,550 --> 00:22:21,010 176.7 million dollars, which is about a third of our operating budget, and then finally 251 00:22:21,010 --> 00:22:28,910 in the light blue PISLICE is the local operating costs, which total $74 million or about 15% 252 00:22:28,910 --> 00:22:30,130 of the operating budget. 253 00:22:34,450 --> 00:22:38,150 The next PISLICE is now moving into the capital improvement program 254 00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:49,210 Over the next six years, and this pie organizes the capital improvement program into areas of investment which align with city council strategic target areas. 255 00:22:50,990 --> 00:23:02,450 The primary funding source for the capital improvement program over the next six years is the annual transfer from the operating fund, which makes up about 90% of total funding. 256 00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:09,030 It is also funded by interest earnings on fund balances, grants, and in limited cases connection 257 00:23:09,030 --> 00:23:09,750 charts revenue. 258 00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:15,710 Due to the city's strong financial policies which proactively plan for the replacement 259 00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:20,710 of utility infrastructure, no new debt is required to fund these capital projects. 260 00:23:22,270 --> 00:23:27,950 The utility continues to invest over 75% of the CIP dollars for renewal and replacement 261 00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:33,590 of aging infrastructure which is shown in the blue slices and they're broken down by each of the three 262 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:40,990 pipe utilities. In addition, the proposed capital improvement plan includes $66 million in the capacity 263 00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:46,850 for growth category. That's the orange slice and this is to fund the new reservoir, serving the 264 00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:51,050 downtown area and associated infrastructure needed to provide drinking water storage for downtown 265 00:23:51,050 --> 00:23:52,730 Bel-Red and Wilburton areas. 266 00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:58,690 And then the proposed CIP also expands investment in environmental preservation. 267 00:23:59,970 --> 00:24:05,650 The budget focuses on flood reduction and water quality improvement programs, while continuing 268 00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:10,450 to find fish-passage and stream improvement projects to preserve and protect our natural resources. 269 00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:21,030 And finally, some of the smaller slices, we have proposed to renovate E-Scape Yard as well 270 00:24:21,030 --> 00:24:27,610 north-end operation and maintenance facility. We would also continue funding projects that 271 00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:32,890 rehabilitate and improve existing groundwater wells and associate infrastructure for emergency 272 00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:34,510 supply which is shown in green. 273 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:40,590 Annual rate increases are proposed as a support of the operating 274 00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:45,350 capital budgets from the previous two slides. Once again this is a recap of a previous slide in 275 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:51,490 this presentation. You're being shown the overall rate revenue increases as proposed for the next 276 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:56,010 two years by utility. In addition to that, a four-year projection from 277 00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:57,830 2023-92,000, 32. 278 00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:12,720 The bill impacts associated with these proposed rate increases will vary by customer type, as well as by the level of water use, level of sewer flow, and the drainage intensity for each customer. 279 00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:20,560 To give you an idea of a typical bill impact, we have two slides, one for single-family residential and one for multi-family residential. 280 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:26,320 So we look at the top left corner of the screen there, if these rate adjustments are approved 281 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:32,980 by city council in November, the typical single-family residential monthly bill would increase 282 00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:40,860 $21.51 per month next year, from $229.52 to $251.3. 283 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,580 A little less than half of that increase is to support pass-through cost increases for water supply 284 00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:51,540 and waste water treatment services from our wholesale partners. 285 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:58,020 Expanding the City's Utility Bill Assistance Program would increase the monthly bill by about $1.93. 286 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:08,140 All other local rate drivers, which include utility operations, capital program funding, taxes, 287 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:12,740 and city support services would add $6.23 per month. 288 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:19,660 To preserve fairness and utility rates, the typical single-family residential bill would increase 289 00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:21,840 $2.84 next year. 290 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:28,440 This increases part of a five-year plan to sustain fair sewer rates for each of the different 291 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,780 sewer utility customers' groups. 292 00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:36,700 And then finally, beginning next year, this would expand its utility assistance program to be 293 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:39,720 available to approximately 10,000 more households. 294 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:48,140 These customers would be eligible for a 35% discount on basic utility services, low-income 295 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:53,040 seniors who are currently enrolled or who are currently eligible for the existing assistance 296 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,200 program would continue to receive a 70% discount. 297 00:26:57,740 --> 00:27:02,100 And then if you move your eyes the right of the column there in 2028 using the same layout 298 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:08,860 the typical single-family residential bill is projected to increase about $23.55, you can see 299 00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:16,470 middle of that right column. And then just to clarify those are monthly amounts rather than 300 00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:20,770 bi-monthly bills. Correct. The city does bill in a bi-monthly basis. 301 00:27:23,740 --> 00:27:24,920 Similarly out, I'm just 302 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,400 for the other half of our customers, or households in Bellevue live in multifamily complexes, 303 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,740 and so for a multifamily residential household, the typical bill impacts from these proposed 304 00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:41,800 rate increases will depend largely on how the property passes through these costs of utilities to its 305 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,080 So these figures are on screen are more for illustrative purposes. 306 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:49,440 Looking at the left side of the screen again, 307 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,880 if these red adjustments are approved by Council November, 308 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,400 the typical multi-family residential monthly bill would increase 309 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,400 $10.15 per month. 310 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,200 Generally, the rate drivers are proportionally similar 311 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,180 to those shown in the previous slide with exception to two key differences. 312 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,120 First, there is a downward adjustment of 95 cents per month 313 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:16,020 sustain fairness and sewer rates. And even though many multi-family households do not receive 314 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:20,860 bills from the city of Bellevue, they are still eligible for a rebate from the city if they 315 00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:26,480 qualify for low-income assistance. The eligibility and percent discount levels for this rebate 316 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,620 are the same for our single-family residential customers. 317 00:28:33,670 --> 00:28:35,370 The next steps in this process are 318 00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:42,870 later on this month on September 17, the commission will be asked to consider the information presented 319 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:49,590 today as well as the public feedback received to develop a recommendation to city council on utilities 320 00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:57,510 budget and on the rates. Then on October 13, the commission chair would present that recommendation 321 00:28:57,510 --> 00:29:03,630 to city council and council would then review and pose budget and rates and then we are anticipating 322 00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:10,270 action by city council on the overall budget that citywide plus in addition to the utilities department 323 00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:16,790 on November 17th. And just as a point of reference here, we also anticipate at that time that the 324 00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:22,170 sea council will consider the adoption of municipal code changes that would support expanding the 325 00:29:22,170 --> 00:29:27,590 bill assistance program, as well as the improvements to the utility connection charges that the 326 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:29,490 commission reviewed earlier this year. 327 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:40,250 With that said, I that concludes the brief summary of the 328 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:40,970 I don't know. 329 00:29:42,570 --> 00:29:46,850 Chair, just before we conclude the public hearing, I did want to acknowledge the comments. 330 00:29:46,990 --> 00:29:52,450 Written comments that we included in your desk packet that will be included in the official record. 331 00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:58,330 With that, I think we can close the public hearing when we're in. 332 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:08,560 All right, I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing, moved to close the public hearing. 333 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:17,280 Second hearing, no dissent. The public meeting is closed at 7.01 pm. 334 00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:26,270 All right. Thank you. Scott and Matt and our next order of business 335 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,620 is on the wastewater remote sensor monitoring program. 336 00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:17,850 All right, good evening, commissioners. I'm Chad Beck, the assistant director for operations and maintenance. I'm here today to share an exciting new maintenance operations program in our wastewater utility that has provided valuable insights prevented damaging overflows and reduced maintenance costs. 337 00:31:18,150 --> 00:31:23,430 Here with me today is Richard Peckler, a senior engineering technician in our wastewater maintenance section. 338 00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:33,190 He's been with the city of Bellevue for 25 years starting as a maintenance worker and promoting through the ranks to become one of our most knowledgeable subject matter experts on the city's ways for you to 339 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:49,610 All right. Okay, so we'll write here. Yep. All right. Thanks for bearing with us. All right. Next. Next slide. 340 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:57,460 This presentation is informational only the purpose of the presentation is to provide the Environmental Services Commission. 341 00:32:58,140 --> 00:33:01,780 With an overview of Bellevue's wastewater collection system maintenance program, 342 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:05,820 explain how the level monitoring technology works and how the pilot was implemented. 343 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:13,100 And highlight the operational, financial, and asset management benefits observed to date. 344 00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:25,830 All right, so the wastewater preventive maintenance program is one of three maintenance programs along with our condition assessment and corrective maintenance programs. 345 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:33,290 So the wastewater maintenance section is broken up into three teams that align into those three programs. 346 00:33:34,010 --> 00:33:40,150 The preventive maintenance program is comprised of a team that goes around the city and basically 347 00:33:40,150 --> 00:33:45,510 jets the lines with high pressure water to remove blockages that could be caused by a number 348 00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:53,650 of things including roots, what we call fog or fatso oils and grease, and other things that get flushed 349 00:33:53,650 --> 00:33:56,090 down the toilet like rags, 350 00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:01,170 sanitary wipes, all kinds of different objects, wedding rings, 351 00:34:02,130 --> 00:34:05,010 Anything can be flushed if it can fit through the pipe. 352 00:34:06,650 --> 00:34:09,430 So they'll bulge up those lines to remove those blockages 353 00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:12,550 and ensure that the lines the flow is as designed. 354 00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:17,350 Our goal in general is to try to eject those lines every 10 years. 355 00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:23,610 So every line in the city, and we have over 600 miles of wastewater pipe, 356 00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:26,490 is the goal to eject those every 10 years. 357 00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:31,570 However, there are some lines that need that maintenance more often. 358 00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:38,410 And we do those either on a monthly, quarterly, semi-annually or annual basis. 359 00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:46,750 In addition to jetting, we also use either specialty saws or in some cases a foam solution 360 00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:49,330 to clear roots in particular. 361 00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:54,510 So they'll send it's like a circular saw that goes through the pipe 362 00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:59,970 and actually clear the roots and then push them down to the next manhole or where we'll. 363 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:10,060 The recurring maintenance of specific serial lines with based on limited data, routes and intervals were created as reactions to open flows or observations of the manhood. 364 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:17,160 So basically, if they had a line and they were before this technology, if it was blocked by a root safe, then they'd watch it. 365 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:25,320 If it did it again, in six months, they just put on a list and every six months, they just go out and clean it and get it, because they didn't have the technology available that we have today. 366 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,340 So that's all these lines, these maintenance lists were done. 367 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,120 Are they see this, that's coming, the roots coming through the manhole, 368 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480 why they were jetting, and then it's okay, we got an issue here. 369 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,700 Historically, there wasn't any records kept why these lines were added 370 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,920 to these maintenance lists, and these maintenance lists grew over time. 371 00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:49,900 As a result of maintenance frequencies were largely inherited 372 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,620 from previous generations. 373 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:58,820 So, you know, when I started here, there was a gentleman at work first named Mike Burbridge, 374 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:01,620 and he grew up here with the restructory fields. 375 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,740 So, he's seen all this change and, you know, he's to tell me about the stuff that they found 376 00:36:06,740 --> 00:36:10,560 in the house and it was literally observation, okay? 377 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,700 In 2012, one, we began evolution of technology, 378 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:18,200 you gather, evaluate your technology, gather, system data, 379 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,640 as time has passed, the data that 380 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,140 has become available and the sensors that have been come available for us to monitor our 381 00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:36,640 system. These are the sensors that we're using now. They're used so in our, it's like a submarine. 382 00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:44,140 This is the unit here. This is the one that we're using right now. They're mounted below the 383 00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:50,580 So I can mount this in a road wave manhole, a sidewalk manhole, any pedestrian path. 384 00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:54,460 They're never going to be in a figure with this and it's not ever going to be a hazard 385 00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:55,340 for them to worry about. 386 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,100 They'll never even know it's in there. 387 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:04,520 So you can measure the depth and what it does is when I program it, I program it to the bottom 388 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:10,260 of the channel is and then the sonar bounces off the water and tells us the depths and it will 389 00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:13,600 to give us live data, as it goes through. 390 00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:17,160 And it's all done via 5G cellular for this antenna. 391 00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:18,880 They've actually improved these antennas 392 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,880 and these newer ones that we have now, 393 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,420 this is an actual better antenna. 394 00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:25,840 The software that comes with these things 395 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,800 that we can run a dashboard allows us to define 396 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,880 our own parameters on our end. 397 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,980 We don't have to interject with anybody else. 398 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,060 We do it ourselves. 399 00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:43,780 So I do it right here on the computer, I'm going to put it in the head back there. 400 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:55,400 The software, which here's an example of our page, that right there, I can program that 401 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:01,140 so that it sends out an email, there's three people on the email, there's a supervisor 402 00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:07,480 the crew leader of myself, and it also sends out one to our wastewater standby personnel, 403 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,280 And it sends them a text message saying they need to check the system. 404 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:14,760 So it's 24-7 live monitoring. 405 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,740 The one you're looking at here is actually one that will never move. 406 00:38:19,060 --> 00:38:22,760 It is on the lakeline down at Burroughs Landing. 407 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,200 And what you're seeing there is actually at night when they flush that line. 408 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,280 That's the flush cycle coming through right there. 409 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,660 And in fact that little bump is when I asked them to test it to make sure everything was working right 410 00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:38,060 because it was a little bit of a problem, 411 00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:39,140 and it caught that bump. 412 00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:40,820 Those two lines up there, 413 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,100 those are the threshold lines. 414 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,140 The yellow one is the early morning one, early warning, 415 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,460 and the red one is, you've got an issue, 416 00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:48,780 come on, get out here. 417 00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:53,180 So that one, that one is, it's just a series of, 418 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,000 you've got something going, hey, it's moving forward, 419 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,740 you need to react, not just monitor it, okay? 420 00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:00,660 And like I said, all this is programable. 421 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,360 Okay, so the implementation, 422 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:18,780 We initially purchased 10 sensors, and the sensors were deployed on the means that we had the most cleaning on it, which was the monthly ones, where we would go out monthly and cleaning these lines. 423 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:28,920 Again, those were being cleaned with high velocity pressure. So there's 3,000 PSI at the pump. 424 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:35,600 It's one foot drop per foot of hose, we have 800 foot of hose, so that's 22 psi, so anybody 425 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,380 is familiar with using a pressure washer, that's what we're doing in the inside of pipe. 426 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,960 Where that becomes really important is the degradation to the pipe. 427 00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:47,680 I'm sure that you've all seen old curves that got the rocks on them and the smoothness is gone, 428 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,560 well that's what happens inside of a concrete pipe. That smoothness goes away and then the pebble 429 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,280 shell, once that does it reduces the volume that can flow through there, and that's caused by 430 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,520 overgating. And that's one of the reasons this program was implemented. 431 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,160 Okay? To slow that degradation down. Okay? 432 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:23,180 The maintenance activities. Once you've put in, the maintenance activities were deferred. So they put one in a monthly. They didn't touch it. They've monitored for a prescribed amount of time. When they decided, you know what we don't need to do this monthly and more, they put it on a different rotation. Because it still needs to be done, but not as frequently as monthsly. Okay? 433 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,460 The staff monitors the sensor and the data and analyze pipe flow behavior. 434 00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:31,280 There's three of us that have the ability to look at this. 435 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,640 One of the things that came up is there's a one up there on the top of that screen. 436 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,180 That map way up top right across the redmond technology center. 437 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,740 That one we found. 438 00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:43,140 I found that every once in a while there's a blip at night where there's a high flow spike. 439 00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:44,040 And it goes away. 440 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,000 There's no longer the manual. 441 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:45,980 I think there's dumping something. 442 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,240 But it's data that we didn't know it was happening before. 443 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,780 Now, we know what's happening. 444 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:59,660 So, when the sensors go off, the manhole levels indicate a pipe lock, and trigger cleaning. 445 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:03,260 So, what happens is we're watching them and if it says, hey, it's getting up at this level, 446 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:04,600 go clean it. 447 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:06,460 Well, that's the frequency that we'll start cleaning it now. 448 00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:08,780 So, some of them might sit for a year before we have to do anything. 449 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,060 But then, we got to, hey, now, is the real time frame. 450 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,720 Some may come off at least completely. 451 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,960 That's the ideal to reduce the overall maintenance by implementing the way we did. 452 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,380 Once the data identifies optimal clean and frequency sensor is usually moved to a new location, 453 00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:26,140 that is true with acceptance of three locations so far. 454 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,060 There's one front of overly hospital. 455 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,980 We have problems with some of this stuff that comes out of the hospital. 456 00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:34,300 You got a lot of people working there. 457 00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:35,340 They don't know all of the rules. 458 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:36,560 They're going to flush something eventually. 459 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,500 So that's the critical site, right? 460 00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,600 So 116th, we don't want that one over full. 461 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,140 In fact, we had a response to that this last week. 462 00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:43,800 We got an alarm. 463 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,580 Our crew was able to go out there and take care of the issue. 464 00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:48,800 and it never even hit the street. 465 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,320 They were able to clear the manhole and move on 466 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,560 and not cause any environmental issues 467 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680 and we didn't have to go out there previously, 468 00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:00,360 just to get it just because, okay? 469 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,060 So these frequencies are slowly coming down 470 00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:05,160 to a more manageable level. 471 00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:07,740 So again, once they're identified, 472 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,860 they'll sit there a long time, then we can move them. 473 00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,480 But it's a long process. 474 00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:16,280 But some of these clean amounts are annually, okay? 475 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,320 like the ones down in it, in fact, 476 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,360 or you're all they're quarterly, 477 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,700 so they're gonna sit there a while. 478 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,500 And then we'll be able to move them. 479 00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:23,960 One thing to add to it's nice is that 480 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,840 when they, on a lot of cases, 481 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,320 when these were put on those different maintenance 482 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,260 frequency lists, it was the results of some incident 483 00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:31,940 that happened. 484 00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:33,360 It could have been a blockage, 485 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,500 but it was probably a blockage 486 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:35,800 that resulted in an overflow. 487 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:38,740 And in some cases, maybe it was an overflow 488 00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:40,200 that hadn't associated claim. 489 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,260 And so we would put it on a list in order to try, 490 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,640 not just obviously to maintain the system better, 491 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,740 but also to avoid having to pay out a claim of a similar nature. 492 00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:53,220 But what you don't always know is what caused that 493 00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:55,060 and how often do we actually need to go out. 494 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,080 So as Richard said, we're able to reduce the maintenance frequency, 495 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:05,760 which then allows us to redirect that labor hour toward something else. 496 00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:10,900 But also importantly, it's defensible from a risk perspective. 497 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:18,540 So we can actually point to the the updated frequency and it's not just because we haven't had any issues 498 00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:23,880 it's because we can show the actual data and say we're you know we're basing this cleaning frequency 499 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:30,720 on the historical data that we've seen from that manhole. So it's not just the maintenance benefits 500 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:35,400 it's also you know the risk and financial benefits that come or the risk of avoidance I should say. 501 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:56,260 So some of the benefits that we've already realized since we implemented this, I know that we previously came to the ESC back and I want to say 2022 when we were first 502 00:43:56,260 --> 00:44:08,240 Really initializing this project or this pilot project with with the sensors that we had initially selected and we've actually updated our technology over time 503 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:14,340 and try different vendors just to get a sense for what the different capabilities are and the different 504 00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:20,560 cost models associated with different services. But regardless of the vendor, we have been able 505 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:26,480 to make significant changes to those frequencies. So almost all of our monthlys were moved 506 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:32,240 into either quarterly, semi-annually or annually. And now we're at the point where we're rotating 507 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:38,640 amongst the different, or sorry, quarterly sites to better evaluate those, right? 508 00:44:38,660 --> 00:44:43,880 So we were able to put all of the monthlys on a six-month sort of test pit phase and 509 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,320 see how often we had to clean and now we've moved on to those quarterlys. 510 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,780 The other, so as Richard said, one of the main benefits in addition to reduce maintenance 511 00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:56,560 is we're extending the life of the pipe, right? 512 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,960 Every time you scour it, as he said, you're removing some of that. 513 00:45:02,060 --> 00:45:12,080 So we're sending the life of the pipe, we're also improving the performance over the life of it, because, again, we're not making the pipe rougher. So it's going to stay smooth, which is going to improve flow. 514 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:28,460 We've been able to redirect the staff who would have been doing that monthly cleaning to other activities. So we are progressing from what our goal used to be of about 80 repairs per year to defects that were found through our CCTV program. 515 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:53,660 We're migrating towards what we think is an eventual goal of something close to maybe like a hundred repairs per year and that will definitely help with working through our backlog of repairs or sorry of defects that we have found through the CCTV program many of which are just sitting waiting to be repaired but we just don't have the staff capacity to address them you know all at once right we have to work through them over time. 516 00:45:54,500 --> 00:46:00,980 We are importantly avoiding overflows, so Richard brought up a great example. 517 00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:05,620 If you've ever been to Burroughs Landing, which is a really small, it's actually maintained 518 00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:09,680 by parts department, but it's really just more like a small water excess within a neighborhood. 519 00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:16,460 It's just south of Chis and Beach Park, but the manhole that is there is, I don't know, 520 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,580 five feet from the water line, and it's where the lakeline comes in to the shore. 521 00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:39,200 And if there was a blockage downstream of that in the lake line, that would cause an overflow from that manhole, there is no way that we would, by the time anybody sees it, by the time we get there, we've already put water in the lake. 522 00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:50,280 So having, this is one location that we talked about where we will always have this sensor, because it allows us to see that overflow or the potential for an overflow before it actually occurs. 523 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,320 we can set the level so that by the time it's starting the line is starting to search 524 00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:01,760 charge, we can already dispatch a crew or our standby person can and we can be 525 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,860 unseen to mitigate that overflow hopefully or at least find out what the cause is 526 00:47:05,860 --> 00:47:10,560 and greatly reduce the chances of an overflow. So it's not just the maintenance 527 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,880 improvement, it's also protecting the city from a list of discharge. 528 00:47:15,340 --> 00:47:24,320 And then finally, it's, we are, we have not just the initial 10 that we talked about in our deployment, we have now doubled that. 529 00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:33,320 So now we now have 20 sensors throughout the city, which is important because we want to continue to rotate them through different sites to better learn what's happening in those areas, 530 00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:36,140 but we want to still keep them at those critical locations. 531 00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:42,580 One of the things that was important to us is that we were able to justify the costs during this pilot phase 532 00:47:42,580 --> 00:47:48,920 with some sort of ROI, and the ROI we use was the deferred or the maintenance that we were able to avoid, right? 533 00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:54,780 So, but with those ones that are left in place, that ROI kind of goes away. 534 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,640 In that case, you're really just paying for it with risk avoidance instead of deferred maintenance. 535 00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:04,860 So, there's a balance there where we have to decide, okay, which ones are going to be for learning, 536 00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:09,320 and which ones are going to be for preventive preventive overflows. 537 00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:17,420 So, what are we looking at for the future? 538 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,860 We are planning to install additional sensors in the coming years. 539 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,100 Our hope is in the 2728. 540 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,960 We've budgeted assuming, you know, it's always hard to know how the vendors costs will 541 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,380 go up. 542 00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:37,780 But assuming that they progress what we think we are, we're hoping to double again the number 543 00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:39,260 of sensors that we have in the system. 544 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:40,320 That is our goal. 545 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,540 And we've budgeted for that. 546 00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:47,900 In addition, we're also looking at other places within the utility that we can employ 547 00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:48,520 these sensors. 548 00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:51,700 The most logical one is actually the storm and surface water system. 549 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,180 It's a little different. 550 00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:59,240 We don't have the same type of preventive maintenance, like rigid preventive maintenance 551 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:04,080 schedule for the storm water system that we do in sewer, so the ROI would be different. 552 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,520 But from a risk avoidance, there's a lot of really good use cases. 553 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,020 The example you see here is in the downtown area. 554 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,940 There are some pipes because of the development that we've had downtown. 555 00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:18,420 There are some parts of our storm system 556 00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:23,160 that when we have these large rain events that are unfortunately more common, 557 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,780 you see the system search, 558 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,600 charge, and you see localized flooding. 559 00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:32,730 And so at least having earlier indicators, 560 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,520 there's probably some things that we could do to 561 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:42,080 to help mitigate those search charges and then also it provides really valuable information 562 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:49,920 for engineering team as they try to do system modeling and I and I. And then lastly, we're 563 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,760 also, I would say one of the cool things is that this has also in a sense kind of changed the 564 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,460 culture within our wastewater utility. 565 00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,420 Our maintenance staff 566 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,640 We saw the benefits that the censors had, and they're now looking for other things that they can bring in. 567 00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:15,340 And one of the cool things is we've, instead of sending like the superintendents or the managers to the trade shows, we've been sending the field staff. 568 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:27,200 And they come back and they, instead of the manager trying to sell the guys or girls in the section on this cool new thing, they saw the conference, they're coming back and telling their boss, hey, I really think this could help us. 569 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,600 And that helps with implementation because they're buying off on it. 570 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,000 And so two really cool examples would be that I hope to come back maybe in a year to 571 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,960 and tell you about our implementation of is the first is a UV cure balloon. 572 00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:48,620 So when we slip line a pipe, which means when we put a fiberglass sock kind of in, 573 00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:54,700 and then inflate it, we usually put in a catalyst to cure that epoxy that has to sit 574 00:50:54,700 --> 00:51:01,400 maybe an hour with that balloon inflated pushing against the pipe to repair like a crack or a break of some sort. 575 00:51:02,140 --> 00:51:08,720 But there's a new system where they actually have inside the balloon a UV light that will cure it almost instantly. 576 00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:12,660 So instead of our crews having to sit there for an hour and wait for this thing to cure, 577 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:19,560 they can put it in and inflate it, turn the light on, turn the light off, pull the balloon, move on. 578 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:26,920 Right? So imagine how much faster you can work. The other piece of technology that we're buying is something that's called the reinstatement tool. 579 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:41,200 So when we use that slip line, in any sections where there might be a T that goes to a with a stub to a house, that would be an area where if there was a defects there, we couldn't slip line that because we don't want to cover the T going to the house, right? 580 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,960 So in those cases, we would actually have to dig that section up and replace it with a whole new whole new T. 581 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,960 But now they've made a tool that allows us to find exactly the center of where that covered 582 00:51:52,960 --> 00:52:00,420 area is and then drill through it with a perfectly sized hole and basically reinstate that connection. 583 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:05,700 And so not only does that make the repair faster, but now we don't have to dig up either the street, 584 00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:09,280 or the person's yard to do that repair. 585 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:16,280 So, both of those were brought to us by members of our crew who went to these trade shows, 586 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:23,360 found these things, and are excited to be implementing new tools or technology, however you want to look at it. 587 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:31,040 So, it really is a great attitude that we have right now in that section of just looking for ways to improve. 588 00:52:32,810 --> 00:52:33,770 Do you want to add? 589 00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:39,690 You know, I honestly, I say this is one of the things that I do most excited about lately. 590 00:52:40,290 --> 00:52:42,650 My job is gotten kind of boring because I've been doing it so long. 591 00:52:43,230 --> 00:52:46,230 So, it's literally I can do it so easy that I just do it. 592 00:52:46,270 --> 00:52:47,230 I don't even have to think about it. 593 00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:48,890 But that's fine with me. 594 00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:51,150 But this kind of stuff coming into the evening tree. 595 00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:52,350 It helps us so much. 596 00:52:52,530 --> 00:52:53,110 This technology. 597 00:52:53,550 --> 00:52:57,690 One of the things I didn't show you earlier is when this is mounted in the manhole. 598 00:52:59,070 --> 00:53:00,230 This stays in the manhole. 599 00:53:00,230 --> 00:53:08,490 If this unit goes bad, I can take one from not another critical area, bring it over, drop it back into the clip, 600 00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:18,610 put my computer next to it on the truck, connect to it by Bluetooth or satellite and reprogramment for that spot. 601 00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:28,810 That's one of the greatest values of this. It's completely hidden from the public. It's not a hazard, it's movable. It's easily to put it in another spot. 602 00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:36,250 I'm excited about this stuff. In fact, I've been pushing their system pretty hard and they've had to make some changes to it. 603 00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:43,930 So they're actually quite pleased because I'm using it differently. We, the city, are using it differently than they envisioned. 604 00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:47,870 Yeah, so there's actually did a paper on it. 605 00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:54,510 Case study on it and put it out for the water waste water world as bringing new technology in. 606 00:53:54,510 --> 00:54:09,590 Also, highlight Richard was recently invited to present at the smart water conference down in Portland this year, in combination with Caliper, the vendor, and so it's not just that we're excited about it. 607 00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:10,770 The industry is as well. 608 00:54:12,070 --> 00:54:14,830 Congratulations. It is really exciting. 609 00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:22,970 It's infectious to hear your, you tell the story and we're excited just before hearing all the details really, 610 00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:25,270 like a great success story. So thanks for sharing. 611 00:54:25,390 --> 00:54:29,650 So really great. I've had that adaptation of technology for our work. And that's what 612 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:07,140 With fresh water coming to your faucet and you can live with sewage not going works both to be. It's not the most pleasant, but you can't live without good water. 613 00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:13,880 But so as water quality and all this stuff in regulation to come in, more people are paying attention to what we're doing. 614 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:19,020 And this technology is rapidly being applied to our industry and it's wonderful and it's exciting. 615 00:55:19,540 --> 00:55:23,800 These things I'm really excited about these things because we're going to be able to change our business on it. 616 00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:25,280 A lot better efficiency. 617 00:55:29,050 --> 00:55:43,490 So, yeah, echo what Commissioner Thieson said it is really exciting to hear about this new technology and I'm really excited because I focus on work force transitions and our work force in the water industry is really 618 00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:52,210 we're struggling to keep people interested in water and wastewater and so when we have these kinds of tools or toys, right? 619 00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:56,370 I think the younger generation is going to go, yeah, that's really cool. 620 00:55:56,490 --> 00:56:01,370 I want to do this, right, and so your remarks about the culture and everything, I really 621 00:56:01,370 --> 00:56:05,310 appreciate that, and I hope to see more. 622 00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:11,170 One question I did have, you sort of already addressed that I was wondering about laterals and 623 00:56:11,170 --> 00:56:16,610 the direct customer impacts of technology and what are we going to see? 624 00:56:16,610 --> 00:56:22,270 you know, and I wasn't sure if this particular tool was helping, you know, from a customer 625 00:56:22,270 --> 00:56:26,470 standpoint, but it sounds like you've got other things that you're going to be deploying 626 00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:32,030 to really help customers figure out when they're, whatever, six-year-old lateral is going 627 00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:38,450 to fail. I'm a neighbor who had to replace their lateral, and then they had to dig up the street 628 00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:42,570 as you, and wow, was that expensive? Right. 629 00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:46,640 Do you want to address the laterals? 630 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,160 I mean, as far as with this. 631 00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:51,600 Well, as far as the lottoes themselves as an individual, 632 00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:53,100 we don't have to wait them on until those yet. 633 00:56:53,140 --> 00:56:54,780 There's no way to monitor a lot, or yeah, 634 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,720 that's something the homeowner would have to do. 635 00:56:57,020 --> 00:56:59,200 However, with this, there's a backup in the main, 636 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:00,780 just going to fit multiple people. 637 00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:04,160 You know, we can get ahead of it before it actually happens. 638 00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:06,900 There's one, the sensor that's behind, 639 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,380 like a Samaritan high school on the trail that runs behind it. 640 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,860 And our standby guy got pinged by that one 641 00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:19,460 was able to get out there and get response to it before it became a real issue. Because that's 642 00:57:19,460 --> 00:57:23,960 back there on the trail, right? Who's going to see it? Right? It's just like Burrell's landing. 643 00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:28,240 If it's overflowing in the winter, no one's down there. I've only seen two people down there all 644 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,940 the time they went down there. Neither one of them lived in Bellevue. They were here visiting. 645 00:57:32,460 --> 00:57:39,120 And so, yeah, it's it's exciting for this data driven. It's for data driven responses to stuff. 646 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,800 So yeah, I like it. 647 00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:46,420 I would say the one thing that the other tool I talked about was probably more likely to 648 00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:53,360 benefit the homeowner with respect to their lateral, just because instead of those T's and 649 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,160 maybe the problems that are up from those T's within the stuff being avoided because we don't want 650 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:06,280 to do a major digging repair project for a T. Now we can slip on it, we'll do the reinstatement 651 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,500 And then with that, we're more likely to see problems that might be within the 652 00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:14,700 stub as we, you know, video and reinstate that that's connection. 653 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,620 This is a super cool. I remember, I think it was probably when I first joined the commission here. 654 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:22,760 Yeah. 655 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:22,920 Yeah. 656 00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:25,400 Cool toys. 657 00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,620 So very cool that you're doing it. 658 00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:33,700 I'm just curious kind of the business arrangement with the vendor. 659 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,820 So obviously you're buying the hardware from them. 660 00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:38,940 So you didn't depend on them for all the software or how much 661 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,720 What's the relationship, which parts do we take over to be on? 662 00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:45,240 She just explained that briefly. 663 00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:51,720 Yeah, so the initial cost for the unit, there's a hardware purchase cost. 664 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,160 And then with that, there is a small SaaS fee. 665 00:58:57,340 --> 00:59:01,220 But it's nominal compared to actually the purchase cost of the hardware. 666 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,580 And they kind of put you into tears. 667 00:59:04,580 --> 00:59:33,400 So if you have like zero to, you know, 10 devices and then 10 to 100, you know, and it kind of goes from there. So obviously as we deploy more, they will probably, we may, we may go into different tiers and then have to reevaluate. And, and as we've shown, we're also not afraid to look at different vendors. You know, this is our second vendor, but we've evaluated a number of them and, and we're always going to be looking for what the best deal is from a stewardship standpoint. 668 00:59:34,820 --> 00:59:39,960 I will say to if Richard keeps pushing them to add new functionality, we might see our cost 669 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,040 club as well. 670 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,280 I wanted to let you know that we don't have to worry about software because it lives on 671 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:45,620 the cloud. 672 00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:49,080 So we never have to update our software, it's on their end. 673 00:59:49,340 --> 00:59:53,560 We just access their cloud, there's no software that actually lives on ours on our system 674 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,460 at all. 675 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:55,280 It's just a web accident. 676 00:59:56,180 --> 00:59:58,780 It sounds like it's their software that we're using. 677 00:59:58,780 --> 00:59:59,960 it's that we haven't more not 678 01:00:01,460 --> 01:00:27,880 The reason Richard highlights that is because our video trucks have the software that we use to collect the CCTV footage that is on within those trucks, and then, like any system, you've got to update them, it can be painful at times to keep those things up to date. So it's a big deal to them to have a cloud-based system because it's such a breath of fresh air compared to what they deal with on the video trucks. 679 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,280 that. 680 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,620 And not having to clear blockages reactively when you can 681 01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:44,100 proactively get it just in time. The crews are a lot of happy. I've seen 682 01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:50,080 Richard smile like this a lot. So so it's it's it's it's very valuable. A lot 683 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,080 of levels. I do think like I'm the condition assessment of the video 684 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,920 inspection will be coming back probably in five or ten years talking about AI 685 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,880 and some of the things and how that can help our our inspection processes as 686 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,300 Well, we're just going to be careful here. 687 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,240 I'll be getting into contract negotiations with staff because you're all in the same 688 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:09,940 other time. 689 01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:11,180 It won't replace anybody. 690 01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:12,500 This stuff needs to happen. 691 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,780 We need to get out there and make sure we're looking at our infrastructure, making sure 692 01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:16,620 it's maintained properly. 693 01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:23,120 But doing stuff proactively in all the field sections is always preferred if we can do that. 694 01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:31,040 One of the phrases that you use the resonates is reduced risk and that can be a tough 695 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:37,020 So, I support investing in reduced risk. 696 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,500 Just to piggyback on what Mr. Harvard just said 697 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:42,480 about personal and contractual stuff out, 698 01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:44,660 we have so much work to do. 699 01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:45,980 There's still system like cleaning. 700 01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:46,740 It has to be done. 701 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,960 They have to go through the whole system 702 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,180 every 10 years no matter what we do with this. 703 01:01:50,420 --> 01:01:51,940 There's so much work for these guys to do. 704 01:01:51,980 --> 01:01:53,460 We're not taking anything away from anybody. 705 01:01:54,020 --> 01:01:56,980 We're just making it so they can focus their efforts 706 01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:58,960 in a more strategic manner. 707 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:04,740 Maybe we get one or two more repairs a year, something like that, and maybe we can not have so much 708 01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:08,260 staff out on the jetting program and they can do other things that are just as important. 709 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:18,600 And I think what might be really interesting is taking the analysis that you do and then tying that back to the budgets that we, that we see. 710 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:28,100 And it could be that there is a blind spot in the budget where you actually are going to come back, not with the cost savings, but with an investment that we need to make. 711 01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:36,200 I'm open to that. But don't be afraid of that scenario as a as a department. You may you may find that we've 712 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,960 under invested in certain places and that's valid. 713 01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:46,360 All right. No further questions. Thank you for your presentation. 714 01:02:47,380 --> 01:02:48,120 Thank you. 715 01:02:48,220 --> 01:02:51,140 That was fun. 716 01:02:53,180 --> 01:02:55,280 It's not that I just like my god. 717 01:02:55,780 --> 01:02:57,220 But I've only got two lines to go. 718 01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:58,300 Wow. 719 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:26,970 All right, next item on the agenda, Joe, we want to review calendars, or okay, that we will take that. 720 01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:35,210 your back? Well, let's try. So in early October, we had an ESC meeting schedule, and it was going 721 01:03:35,210 --> 01:03:42,430 to be covering the stormwater system plan update and another session on budget. We don't believe 722 01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:48,090 we need to come back. We will be looking for your recommendation in two weeks. And so what my plan 723 01:03:48,090 --> 01:03:56,950 is, what our plan is, is to post cancel the October meeting for the ESC. The chair will 724 01:03:56,950 --> 01:04:02,270 still be going to Council, I believe it's on October, I don't have it for me 13th. It's a Tuesday, obviously, 725 01:04:04,210 --> 01:04:06,930 on behalf of the ESC and making that recommendation to Council. 726 01:04:09,730 --> 01:04:15,770 And so with all the double meetings you've had this year, we do want to offer that up 727 01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:21,850 as October would be canceled. We'll move into November with the ESC hitting on the stormwater 728 01:04:21,850 --> 01:04:30,840 system plan and the water system plan update and then in December, we would be having our 729 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:41,280 annual planning retreat to recap on 2026 and plan for 2027. Council, we have some normal 730 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:47,880 types of consent items going and then I think it's again October 13 where Commissioner 731 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:53,440 one would be going to council it touch on the recommendation from the ESC on budget and rates. 732 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:59,660 With that, I'm just going to say that's what I got off the top of my head. I hope that works for you. 733 01:05:00,270 --> 01:05:17,630 Thank you. That means no further opportunity for input into the budget. Correct. Well, into weeks. Meeting in two weeks to provide the official recommendation to council. So that is another opportunity.