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they like me.

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Yeah. Know once you figure it out,
you're like, "Oh, wow. That worked."

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Pulled it up.
>> Oh, was it this way?

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Yeah.

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Look at that.

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[clears throat]

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There we go.

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» Okay.
I also learned the old guy for both

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staff and officials. I'll be here. We
can expand like

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whatever. You know that one.
>> Just carry a magnifying glass.

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» No, that's not cool.
>> A monle.

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» Yeah.
>> Actually, I had a lady do that tell me

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about that in Lowe's one day. Started
living. She goes, "And man, just take a

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picture of it."
>> Oh, yeah. Blow it up. Yeah.

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» Wow. Makes sense.

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What?

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We good?
>> Yes, we're good.

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Like
>> to welcome everyone to the September

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3rd, 2026 Bellingham Zone Board appeals
meeting. Uh, can I get a motion to open

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the meeting?
>> Motion to open the hand.

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» Yes. Second.
>> A second. All

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» in favor?
>> I believe we have people streets on the

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agenda tonight, right?
>> Yes.

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» So, come on up, guys.

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Rachel, what we're going over the
waiverss tonight? Is that what we're

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doing?
>> Yes.

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» Yes. Going over the waivers. I think uh
the attorney um I think that was a

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comment from both deals and Thomas and
the board um was to just elaborate on uh

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the waiverss
>> the waiver list. So they did go back

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through and there's some that you know
we don't need anymore, some that you

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know we still do, but they did elaborate
on those. Um they've also revised the

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plans um since the last and Thomas
review and they're going to revise them

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again. Um there weren't too many issues
again from what I could see on there,

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but you know um we'll let the board um
decide. The traffic review came back

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that was and I think they only had one
item on that one.

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» One outstanding comment.
>> Yeah, one outstanding comment. And I

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think that that was sent just um today
probably. So if you haven't had a chance

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to look at it, that's
>> it wasn't anything big. It wasn't

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anything large. Um
>> great. So, we actually need to go over

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all of these lately or just the ones
that are extremely pertinent for us.

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» We uh we have our attorney on the line
or during Stephanie is uh here. So, you

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know, generally what we like to do if
it's okay with the board is you can kind

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of walk through the waiverss and and
say, you know, kind of expand or ask any

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questions that you have um just because
they draft the waiver list and you know,

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some of them may be frauds you can talk
through. Um but like Rachel said, some

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of them have been taken out or modified
based off what we need. U typically the

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the planning board one is gone. The
parking space one is gone because we now

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meet that uh regulation. Um so if you
don't mind, you know, if we could I can

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hand it over to her. She can kind of
talk through them and then if you guys

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have any questions, uh she's on Zoom. So
uh can you hear me? Okay, Stephanie?

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» I can. Yes. Can you hear me? Okay.
>> Yep. Yep. Uh, take it away, please.

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» Okay, fantastic. Um, good evening
members of the board. Stephanie Kefir

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from Small and Vaughn in North Andover.
Um, on behalf of the applicant

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and and really how you would like the
waivers approached this evening is it

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boards vary the way that they would like
to do it. I can go through them one by

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one or if the board had specific
questions about certain ones. So, let me

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know what your pleasure is and and I'll
proceed.

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You want me to share it on the screen? I
can do that, too.

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» Yeah, if you don't,

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» I do read through. Nothing really
screams. Oh my god. To me.

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you like me to start walking you through
it or do you want to?

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» Yeah, why don't you?
>> Absolutely. So, the first page of the

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waiver list is obviously just an
explanation of the authority pursuant to

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40B that allows us to seek the waiverss
from local requirements and regulations.

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And and just to pause here for a second
and clarify, pursuant to the board's

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authority and power under chapter 40B,
there's no waiver given to any state or

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federal requirements. So obviously,
these are only related to local

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requirements and and those local
requirements that were in effect as of

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the date that the 40B application was
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Um [clears throat] likewise within kind
of the introductory there you may see

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note one that's highlighted or bolded
rather. Um, basically that just

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highlights the provision of the uh 40B
regulations at 56057

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that when seeking waiverss, if there are
uh zoning bylaws that are um or or uh

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provisions within the zoning ordinance
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by special permit, a waiver is
technically not sought. So within the

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waiver list, sometimes you'll see us
asking for something that requires a

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waiver because it's a special permit.
That's technically not required, but we

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just highlight that because within your
zoning ordinance, sometimes there's

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special permits that are granted by this
board and sometimes there are special

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permits that are granted by the planning
board.

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So, with that said, I'll launch in if
you want to turn to the next page. So,

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it's page two of the waiver list.
And what we're seeking um from the first

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the first requested waiver is under
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sections 191 uh 12 through 15.
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provides out a street street opening
permit um is to be issued by the DPW

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director to authorize extensions,
driveway access, utility connections

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subject to the standards and and
pavement moratoria um unless that's

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otherwise been waved. And this because
this is a 40B, this is more of an

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administrative waiver because this is a
comprehensive permit and the board, the

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zoning board issues all local approvals,
including those by the DPW. We've asked

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for that to be procedurally waved, the
comprehensive permit. It subsumes all

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your local permitting. Um, but just to
clarify, we're not seeking to um to wave

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the DPW standards. It's just that
process that there's a separate permit

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that's issued by the DPW director, him
or herself.

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So, if you have no questions on that,
I'll move on to our next waiver request.

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» Nope. Go right ahead.
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you someone jumped the gun there. So,
the So, the next one was actually Oh,

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sorry. It is there. It's the uh wetlands
protection bylaw. That waiver request

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has been withdrawn. So, since we were
last before the board, the uh the

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applicant has submitted a notice of
intent to the conservation commission um

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for jurisdictional work both under the
act and the bylaw. So, we're withdrawing

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that. So, that makes your job a little
easier on that one. And then on starting

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on page three,
we've requested a waiver under sections

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242 and three. And basically that's the
provision that says that the building

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inspector
um has to certify that any buildings

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that are that are uh created um that
they comply with the applicable zoning.

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Obviously because this is a 40B it's
it's by nature it's in conflict with

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that because we're seeking waiverss and
we're and we're seeking to develop

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pursuant to chapter 40b. So the waiver
request is just that it um the inspector

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of buildings is to enforce the zoning
bylaws with the caveat that it's as

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modified by the waiverss approved by the
comprehens by the um by the board under

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the comprehensive permit. So it just
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um the following or the next waiver
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15 uh 24022 and through 24027
and as I had previously suggested in the

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introductories there's that note that
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you don't need to seek a waiver or
something that's permitted by special

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permit. So this this waiver request is
really more of just a clarification

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that 40B waivers are not required for
uses or developments that's permitted

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subject to a special permit review
process. Essentially, it's because the

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zoning board of appeals is conducting
all review within the comprehensive

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permit review process itself.
From there we go on to the waiver

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request under 240 uh16 through 2421
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Similarly, this is basically a
procedural waiver that uh

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under under those provisions of the
bylaw development proposal that are

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subject to a development plan approval
by the planning board. Um and again this

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is chapter 40B. It's a comprehensive
review conducted by the zoning board

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appeal. So more of a procedural waiver
there.

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Um from there it gets into the use
regulations

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within the uh within the zone by article
5 if you will and specifically 24031

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that's your uh use regulation schedule
for both principal and accessory uses.

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So the project is within the residential
district and within that per the bylaw

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there are only single family and two
family residential use is allowed other

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multif family is not allowed. So project
here is a multif family. It's 58 aid

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restricted rental units um together with
um one community building as an

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accessory structure. And then for
accessory uses to to the project we have

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surface parking, earth removal, the
common septic system related to

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pertinances, water, storm water,
landscaping, uh lighting and screening,

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signage. And so for that we requested a
waiver from 24031

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for the um principal and accessory uses
that are otherwise allowed within the

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residential district.

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Um
from there

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um moving from uh the intensity of use
regulations. So under article 7 of the

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ordinance, all buildings uh erected in
any district be located in a lot that

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has the minimum requirements under
24040.

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So if I this is somewhat of a two-step
here. So under 24040,

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that's your intensity.
The project does meet minimum lot size.

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um it does meet the minimum frontage,
the front yard setback, the rear yard

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setback, um and the sideyard setbacks as
it's currently designed. And we've we've

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provided you this red line so you can
see the adjustments that um were um have

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been made on the most relevant plans.
[clears throat]

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The um this somewhat plays in however
under our the following waiver request

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that we have under 24037
and that's that regulation pertains to

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the number of buildings that are
permitted on a lot. And so subp part A

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of 37 provides that not more than one
one single family or two family shall be

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erected on a lot. So, we've asked for a
waiver under 24037A

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to allow for the 10 multif family
buildings and the one accessory building

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all on the 5.2 acre lot. And then
secondly, subp part 37B

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provides that more than one principal
building um or use other than a single

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family or two family may be erected
provided that. And then it goes on to

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provide that um the lot and yard area
requirements are met for each building

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um and used without counting them
anytime twice. Um but there's no um

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increase in lots. So we've asked for a
waiver of that because what the proposal

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is to have the 10 buildings, 58 units,
and the one community building as

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located on the approved site plan. So if
one were to strictly seek compliance

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under 24037B,
you would have to go back to the um

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24037A
with those setbacks for each to look at

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each of the buildings. So that's why
here we've requested waiverss for both

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of them. So when under
24040

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when you look at the setbacks from all
the buildings as a whole, no waiver is

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sought. However, if one interprets 240
37B to say that you have to look at each

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of the individual 10 buildings and the
community building, um it's not clear

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that we would meet each one of those
sideyard and front yard setbacks if you

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can't count them twice. Um does does
that make sense to the board?

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» Does to me. Yeah, I've read to all
these. So,

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» okay.

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Actually, before you go on,
>> yes.

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» Ask my board members. Have all you guys
read through all these waiverss? We had

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time to read through them all.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. Do we have And yeah, I mean, just
be for a sense of time, too. Um, is

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anything sticking out that we need to
have before she goes through and kills

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herself reading 6,500 words? I mean, in
all fair, that's true. everyone. Is this

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something that's jumping that you want
explanation on for way? Because to me

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it's pretty been pretty standard.
>> I know

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I said yeah maybe just might miss my
understanding. Um

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um
real quick question on the um I guess

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the very first one. Um,
I'm just wondering how how is it like

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the same enforced if if we do a a waiver
on it.

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I mean, that's [clears throat]
pretty

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» for the 340-2 and 3
or for the street opening. Sorry for

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this
>> 12 through 15

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» uh 19112 and 19115
>> you will be issuing the permit with

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consultation from the DPW for the street
opening.

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» Okay. So since that come from DPW come
from us.

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» It'll come from us. Yeah. We'll probably
that's my understanding white out DPW

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and put ZBA on street street opening.
You know that's essentially you know

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what will happen.
>> Okay. But it still be be within the DPW.

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» Yeah. I used to build houses forced to
basically throw our waiver.

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» Yeah.
>> But you aren't going to be required to

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like go out there and you know no DPW
>> roadway stuff.

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» Oh, the new guy is going to have to
>> Yeah.

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[laughter]
>> I'm sorry if I go Brad.

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» Um
I have dug through these waves because

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we've had them for a couple days now.
Um, I don't think there's any one of

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them that's really jumping out and
saying, "Hey, what are you doing here?"

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They're pretty standard
comprehensive permanent wave. We all

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know what's going on in there.
Is the board okay with her not reading

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everyone or wanted to continue?
>> I I'm just looking at one of them. I'm

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just curious with earth removal just
because that has impacted traffic. Is

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there anything
>> that that's why I mean let's hit on the

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ones that
>> cuz I know Yeah. I don't know how much

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they're broken but I know in the past
sometimes like that we have

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» Would you mind hitting on and I don't
look for the number right now so bear

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with me.
>> So it's under article 17 the earth

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removal provisions.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. So what Thank you. The applicant
here is seeking a waiver of the

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earth removal provisions from uh 240
subp parts 113 through 118.

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Um which which um subp part 114 speaks
to that there's a permit that's issued

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by the board of appeals and that it's
subject to a bond. And what we're

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requesting here is that the
comprehensive permit include a waiver of

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that and that the the specifics for the
earth removal. Um it within the subp

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parts there it talks about the plans
that would be submitted which I think

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that we've through the engineering
engineering plans have been submitted

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today and then obviously the final um
plans that will be part of the building

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permit application. It's going to have
you know that level of detail. Um what

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we've requested is that the earth
removal be um addressed through the

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detail that's going to be on the
building permit level plans um together

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with the submission of a construction
management plan. That typically happens

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prior to or as the applicant's preparing
to submit its building permit

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application. And then it'll be um you
know, I'm not quite certain how

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Bellingham likes to do this. If they
have a meeting with the building um

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inspector and then certain other people,
like a a pre-construction meeting, if

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you will, and they and the applicant
would submit a construction management

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plan, which would detail the earth
removal, um how much is going to be

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removed, the schedule for doing that,
and and and that level of detail. So,

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it's not it's not seeking to not provide
the information. What it's seeking is to

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um wave the separate permit um special
permit approval process and to provide

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um the detail as to the earth removal
within a construction management plan

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and to have that obviously be a
condition of the comprehensive permit.

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And um aside from that though, the
applicant is also seeking to have a

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waiver of the earth removal bond. Um
>> about in the past those conditions come

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through us.
>> That's what I was wondering. I know

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we've had ones before us for earth
removal.

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» I think it's a certain thresh threshold,
right?

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» Yeah,
>> it is.

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» The earth removal special permit. Okay.
>> Is through you guys.

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» Well, it had it has been in the past.
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» that's why I mean the project behind us
came to us.

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» Um
>> yeah, you are the special permit

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granting authority
>> over threshold of earth removal. I think

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it's a certain number.
>> I don't you know what that number is?

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» I I believe it's 2500.
Um I'm sorry I don't have the ordinance

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provision right in front of me and and I
believe that we are going to exceed that

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amount. Um the amount of um export is is
going to be greater than that from the

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site than the um than the that get you
below the threshold.

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» So you're looking for a waiver of that
special permit from us. Is that what

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you're asking for in this?
>> Correct. Correct. And what we're what

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we're requesting is that the board um
wave the the submission requirements for

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that wave wave that process if you will.
And um again to have the comp permit

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itself though be conditioned to include
a condition that construction management

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plan um that the applicant and its uh
contractor will will prepare that and

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submit it prior to issuance of building
permits. Um and and obviously that will

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include the earth removal schedule and
the earth removal details.

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» Maybe it's a question for uh Rachel. Do
you know with this then I guess maybe

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because before it has come before the
Ford. Yeah. Would this be something that

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um like uh your office and the building
inspector then would be involved with

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the earth removal plan?
>> Yes. Yeah. you guys are still quote

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unquote I mean it's not a special permit
that you're being issued but the

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requirements for the earth removal are
included in this which is this um what

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is it a construction management plan I
thought I had put it in here I didn't

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see that I put in the requirement of
submitting a construction management

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plan as a standard um condition
um

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does that answer or no I think I mean to
me I think as long as someone with um

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which I assume but like the building
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» yeah I mean I think
>> part of the planning

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» that's coming before us because we we
don't want the land stripped

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» and we also want to manage the dump
trucks in and out

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» that's remember during school hours
traffic hours

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» which if that's something that can be
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I'm okay with it but
>> that's not something you don't want to

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handle administratively. It's one of the
things we do talk about when we have

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this pre-construction meeting is we talk
about okay when are you going to be

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starting oh okay it's during school then
you need to watch out for these are the

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school bus routes this is the timing you
know that kind of stuff there's a sort

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of like a checklist that we go through
that they'll provide um you know items

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on that so that
>> but I can yeah

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» that's me
>> I'm confused about the lawyer or

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um the
bond that normal.

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» So for earth removal projects, you
typically have a bond, you know, that's

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collected um for that. It's usually a B,
again coming from the community I came

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from, it was $5,000 base and then X
amount, you know, more over a certain um

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cubic of yards. and that would be held
in a bond that the town would hold until

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the project was completed or as it
progressed um moving forward. Um but if

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the question is is it normal to wave the
bond for a comprehensive permit?

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» Yes, I normal.
>> Yeah, they they can do that. Um

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» the last one we did, we we did not the
bond on it.

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» No metal. We did not
one on the other one yet. Actually, we

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did on the other one. going some so it's
at the discretion of the board I guess.

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Okay. Cuz I know the bond I guess is
good at insurance but um if it's a I

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mean a good
um applicant.

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» The other ones I think we held the bond
on because um the anticipation was the

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town was going to take the road and we
held the bond until the town was down.

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» Yeah. And um you know like on the Curtis
one that one had like a a sewer line

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that was going through that the town is
going to be taking you know that um

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infrastructure over. So that I can
understand. Um this is a private septic

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roadways are going to be private
>> um you know we do have something in here

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about um holding a $3,000 just sort of
>> Yeah. Okay. Um you know for that the

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neighbors water line again just in case
we you know find something that happens.

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Uh
so

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you know

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» any other questions on the waves of
assessment

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I just got to save from

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is there reason I guess the the title
five restrictions regulations they

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originally were seeking a waiver but
then decided not to. I mean, I guess

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that falls with that, but in a way, I
guess it's

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» just the local ricks. They can't wave
the state rerecks. They can just ask to

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wave our local rags.
>> Okay. But didn't land better than what

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it was anticipated to as well. I
>> think so. I would have to ask the

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engineer about that one.
>> Yes, it was a good park. Less than two

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minutes and groundwater was pretty deep.
So, there was no there's no issue that

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the land can support uh a shared system
there. And you if you do remember they

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are they're designing the system not at
the reduced rate of what seniors

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typically um produce what the design
rate is for that they're producing it at

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a larger you know adult regular people
>> I don't know what you

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» nonen
that's above the minimum kind of like or

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it's like a higher
>> correct yeah it's higher yes this is it

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you know it's design the rate that
they're designing their septic at is a

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you know for larger um size so it'll be
able to handle whatever you can throw at

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it. [laughter]

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» Sorry bar here designed it age
restricted.

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» Yes. Thank you. [laughter]

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» All right. So is is the board okay
moving off of the way it was at this

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point
so we keep rolling

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this? Yeah.
>> Yeah. James. Okay.

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What else we here for tonight? I've got
my own questions for you. So,

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» um, no, I that's Thank you, Stephanie. I
If you want to stick around or go,

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whatever, it's up to you. Um,
>> well, if the board was going to discuss

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the decision.
>> Yes. Yeah. So, yeah.

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» No, happy to stay on.
>> Uh, great. I would say the only other

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update is we have our first Concom next
week. Um, so that that was kind of all I

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had. Um, if you have any questions, we
have Peter here, uh, as well. So, you

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know, happy to answer though.
>> Traffic just came in today traffic. So,

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we're not going to lower traffic. Is
that correct?

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» Correct. I mean, I can re I was just
going to bring that up.

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» If there's one comment, unless it's
something crazy, we I, you know, an

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intro on the fly. um traffic.
>> It seemed like the traffic, you know,

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agrees with our findings uh as well as
uh you know, the parking I know which

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was an issue. Um we have a lot of
parking also which is good.

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» Um
>> as far as the um sidewalks and 88 flying

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wheelchair ramp stuff that it's all in
the new plans.

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» Yeah.
>> Yes.

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» Yep.
So it was um comment 10 um which just

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talks about the striping. So I will
share that

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pavement markings.

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» It'll provide your striping gland.
>> Okay. stripe and glam including stop

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sign. Do we have a stop sign on?
>> No.

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» All right. So, I had a stop sign.
>> It's just a free-for-all.

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» Actually, that's been in all along. Had
a stop sign there.

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» Yep.
>> At the exit.

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» Yep.
>> Stop sign.

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» Yep. We can we'll make sure to include
that uh next time. That's not issue.

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» Yeah, that was the only comment. The
rest of um the rest of them all have all

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been resolved.
>> Yep. So, and if I may chime in even, it

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may even just be easier to have that as
a condition of approval that the the

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final plans that get submitted have that
striping on there.

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» Whatever the board's preference is on
that

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» plans um

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stop sign.

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Um,
this may be, and I know we've got a

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couple lawyers here, so
um, and I brought this up for Rachel

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earlier today.
Everything says townhouse on it.

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» Are we
I I just The special permit says

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townhouse. Your project says townhouse.
Is that technically town houses, per se?

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Is that going to be an issue with state
funding?

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No, I mean it's kind of the name we've
gone off of, you know, I don't it

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doesn't classification when it comes and
please Stephanie cut me off if I'm being

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incorrect here, but it's just a name
we've been using just because in our we

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feel that they are like these are
attached kind of town homes. That's the

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name of the project. Um it may change.
I'm sure we'll pick another name when it

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like it's all said and done. That's just
been kind of how we've referred to it

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internally.
>> I don't think it means anything to us as

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a board or a town. The name um just
legally with the state found for party B

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where it's not called a townhouse.
>> Yeah.

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» I just thought
>> Yeah. When we had to fill up the app you

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don't have a townhouse as an option.
It's kind of like rentals, condos, uh

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subdivision. So, uh I don't believe I
didn't have to is Yeah, it won't affect

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anything.
Um, the other question I have, and I'm

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pretty sure the rest of the board
members

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hopefully remember being a water man.
>> Yep.

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» Um, there could very well be a water
water team going through that property.

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» Yes. So, which we have looked into. Um,
you know, we reached out to DBW. DBW's

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answer to us was kind of the same as
we're not sure. So, um, we we have a

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something in there in escrow. Um, if we
were to hit the water man and and not I

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mean what we would do is obviously like
go into action and figure out how to

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like kind of move it on the either on
the property um to where it's no longer

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going to you know
>> number 16.

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» Yes,
>> it is. Um and and I just I didn't find

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that strong enough. We'll be honest with
you.

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» And and my and I'll tell you what my
concern is.

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» Yep. Um, all well and good. We'll put a
blind up and x amount of dollars for the

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town to repair it or move it. But if
that water m is hit at 4:30 on a Friday

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afternoon,
>> um, I want wording in the decision that

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it gets temporary, something happens.
>> So, the other residents aren't without

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water until someone gets around to it on
Monday at noon time.

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» Let me see. I just again I I drop check
the residents too.

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» Yeah. No,
>> not that I'm saying your food is just

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going to walk away.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» Why?
>> No, I got to take care of that.

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» Yep. I understand. That's that's
completely

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» Is that too much to put in there,
Rachel? Or

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» Oh, might have something.
>> No, I think that's we can we can um find

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something that's a little bit stronger.
Yeah,

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» on that. Yeah,
>> I said the concern that you know bulk of

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the guys are gone. It's 4:30 and one
last guy hits it and like oh well it's

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» Yeah,
>> we'll deal with it Monday. It's not fair

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to the residents.
>> Yeah, the timing too because it's with

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the septic.
>> Maybe we want to try and do that like

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ahead of time.
>> Yeah, we we'll get you know we will do

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what we can to try to like see ahead of
time or like be very careful in that

422
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:34,480
area. Um our our hope is if it is there
we won't hit it. We we'll we'll like

423
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:37,839
we'll find it and be like okay how are
we going to you know adjust this on the

424
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:41,440
fly. So
>> it's not going to be taped. It's not

425
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:46,560
going to be macked.
>> It happened a few years ago. So

426
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:51,440
» no it does. We just we run a project
this week over in Upton and there was

427
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,160
like a Phantom gas line from the 60s
that just showed up and so everyone's

428
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,920
like all right stop. And we can see it
decaying even though it's decaying.

429
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,560
We're like, we still got to stop and
figure out what this is. So,

430
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,240
» I just want to make sure that people
that connected to that water man don't

431
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,320
go without water because
>> yep,

432
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,920
» we're waiting for the time, wait for
this or that. Just need a regret.

433
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:15,599
» Absolutely. We can definitely work on
some uh language that would hold us to a

434
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:20,000
timely response or we're definitely not
opposed to that. I can help out. Um

435
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:25,280
before I open up to everyone else, the
other thing that I did have and I don't

436
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:29,520
see it in our decision,
um [clears throat]

437
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:32,800
the land clearing starting to land
cleared where everything's in place with

438
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,599
the state.
>> Okay.

439
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,760
» We have had other projects in the town.
>> Mhm.

440
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,599
» That have been and again not saying you
guys are do this, but they've been land

441
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,839
cleared,
went into appeal, went into court, they

442
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,960
no longer have the funds to do it, and
now we got a vacant property. So no land

443
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,040
clearing.
>> So everything is done new. The last one

444
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:55,599
that we did with Sanka Meadow, we held
them to after no land clearing.

445
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,480
» Okay.
>> And I'm glad we did because the

446
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,160
project's not going forward.
>> Well, it's it is it's Yeah, it is.

447
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,839
» It might eventually, but it's been
years.

448
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:08,480
» Yes. Yeah.
>> Um no land um clearing

449
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:16,000
» till everything is ready.
>> Yeah. The issuance of um state

450
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:18,720
» the state held that one up.
>> Yeah.

451
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:24,240
We could do I'm just trying to think of
of of where would make sense to

452
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,800
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> We could do

453
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:32,560
» Stephanie also you can chime in too if
you have any word smithing.

454
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:36,000
» Yeah. So,
you know, I think the the one concern is

455
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:41,040
that you don't want to make it such that
you can do no prep work before building

456
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,480
permits. Um and and I think that the
draft decision currently has it written

457
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:52,240
that
um you're to have uh your final approval

458
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:58,240
from um the EOHLC before
building permits. Um

459
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:03,760
» we could do so when we apply to the
state usually means like financing is

460
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:07,920
ready, we're ready to go. Um would it
maybe be on once we apply for a final

461
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,880
approval from the state then we can
start just because I know the

462
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:15,520
construction guys were in here they
would be chewing my ear off saying like

463
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:18,880
we want us we want to get the site ready
you know just in case you know we're up

464
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:23,760
against time up against the elements the
time of year you know I think at that

465
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:26,880
point when we apply to the state that
means like everyone's kind of ready

466
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:31,280
we're putting in money to the state
we're getting our approvals and we'd be

467
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:37,599
a you know max a month or two out from
like BGO kind of construction there

468
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:42,960
» if we hold true to what we've done in
the past. No. And again, I'm just one

469
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:49,119
person in the board members, but um when
Suna was in front of us, we we had the

470
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:54,480
same thing. And it was one something
with state kicked it back and

471
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:59,920
they never broke ground.
Again, that's just my opinion.

472
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:04,960
» No, I've seen it before. uh for the
sunken meadow uh was no grading, land

473
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,880
disturbance, issuance of any building
permit or construction of any structure

474
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:13,760
or infrastructure shall commence until
the project receives final approval from

475
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:21,680
the subsidizing agency and evidence of
said approval is provided to the ZBA.

476
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:24,160
That was the wording from sunken meadow.
So when they got their final approval,

477
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:30,800
how do we
>> from the subsidizing agency

478
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:36,160
» and Okay.
>> And the reason why I bring it up and the

479
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:39,520
vote is is held other people do it. Um
we've got many lots in this town that

480
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,000
have been cleared.
>> Mhm.

481
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:49,119
» And then they just sit. I I can think of
three right now that are cleared and

482
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:51,839
nothing ever get built on them.
We just we just don't want that in the

483
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,359
town. I'm just and this is a great
project we're work you guys have been

484
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,319
great working with us but there are
things we just got to protect our

485
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,680
residents with too
>> I guess and I I completely understand

486
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:06,160
and you know I don't the last thing I
ever want to do is like just ugly empty

487
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:10,400
lots around town I guess the only other
thing we've done in the past is we kind

488
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:13,680
of put a no cut line so you know I don't
know if it would ever made sense I mean

489
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,760
we came back with the construction team
says this is where we would want to like

490
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:21,920
move early if we could and then would
you know preserve most of the site If

491
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:26,640
something were to happen where then we
stop like then it's you know that's the

492
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:31,200
only only compromise. You know what I'm
talking about Peter?

493
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:34,960
» Yeah. Like a a staging area.
>> Yeah. Some some kind of staging area

494
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:39,359
where we could circle on the plan saying
we will disturb like you know this area

495
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:46,160
and we can come back to you know sounds
like might have one more you know. But

496
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:50,319
so that that's just one idea.
So when would you be submitting this to

497
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,520
because you still have to do revised
plans.

498
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:57,599
» Yep. Um
we'll have one more you know look for

499
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:02,000
the Beals and Thomas. Again I think
that's a condition what we've done

500
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:06,000
before at least we've had it in planning
board decisions you know prior to

501
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:10,480
building permit final plans with X Y and
Z type of a thing. Um and any

502
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:16,240
outstanding items from peer review be
wrapped up. um which again there was

503
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:22,319
maybe less than a handful of those um
items. Um and then once you get that and

504
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:25,520
you submit it to EOHLC, how long is like
what's that timeline anyway?

505
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,440
» My experience it's
>> for them to get back to you

506
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,640
» if and Stephanie if you know maybe you
know about I believe it's about two

507
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:37,839
months.
So it it it varies and and I'm not quite

508
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:42,960
certain what the standard is right now
um only because the um the woman who had

509
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:48,160
been kind of the head of the LIP program
at EOHLC,

510
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:52,880
she left about two months ago. Um and my
last final approval I did for a lip

511
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:57,839
project took a little longer than
expected. Um but you know it used to be

512
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:03,520
sometimes you could almost get a
turnaround in three weeks. Um, so I

513
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:07,680
think that, you know, two months
probably if if if everything is there

514
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:10,960
for them and you keep kind of like
following up saying, "Do you have any

515
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:14,880
questions? Is there anything we can do?"
You know, just kind of the attorneys

516
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:19,200
being an annoyance. Um, you know, I
think a two-month is isn't a reasonable

517
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:22,640
time frame.
Um and and just for the board's

518
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:28,880
edification, you you probably know this,
but as the applicant is preparing its

519
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:33,440
application, there would be notice to
the town because the applicant's going

520
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,680
to go back to the select board and ask
for um their letter of support that they

521
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:42,800
need as part of that final approval
application.

522
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:46,880
Um and and pretty much once that is
requested, the the applicant's pretty

523
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:51,599
much on the heels of making the
submission of to the state for final

524
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:56,599
approval.
>> So how long for your gifts made to the

525
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,599
state?

526
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:06,160
» That I do not know. It depends on
construction timelines, financing, um

527
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:10,880
you know, may apply for some possible
grants. So that I don't know, but we

528
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:14,480
wouldn't clear it if there's a a you
know four, five, six months gap in

529
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:19,240
between us applying to state and the end
of these hearings. So

530
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:35,680
» how do I feel about the staging?
>> If I could even propose an interim um

531
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:40,079
time frame um when the as part of the
final approval application process, the

532
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:44,960
applicant has to prepare an affirmative
fair housing and marketing plan that

533
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:51,359
gets submitted to EOHLC as well. um kind
of different parts of ELA, EOA, EO LHC,

534
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:57,040
review those um the the final approval
application and then the U marketing

535
00:44:53,359 --> 00:45:01,760
plan. But it's it's it's a good
indicator that the applicant is getting

536
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:07,920
close to doing final approval if they've
already submitted um the uh the fair

537
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:15,400
housing and marketing plan to get that
um because that that's a big that that's

538
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:15,400
kind of a a time suck um at HLC.

539
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:28,960
I thought so.
>> I mean, I Yeah, I get where you're

540
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:34,319
coming from trying to mitigate potential
risk from there. Yeah. Being this gap in

541
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,720
» final approval
>> just got burned the past two years with

542
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,480
this.
>> Yes.

543
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:45,040
And
>> we hel we held our standard and it was a

544
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:45,040
good thing we did.

545
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:57,760
I agree with you. I mean, I think it's
Yeah, I think the um it's just that

546
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:03,200
concern that they might that he's at
previous projects that their crews are

547
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:06,079
slow, so they just send them they clear
the site.

548
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,760
» They're waiting for
>> Yeah.

549
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,640
» Nothing happens.
>> Yeah.

550
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:14,160
» Yeah. It's been a volatile timing in
development. There's a lot of projects

551
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:16,640
on the sidelines right now waiting for
rates to get better and other things

552
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:19,599
which
>> exactly.

553
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:24,000
» So I I I I completely understand. I'm
just trying to think if there's any

554
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:28,079
» and I and I don't want to hold up uh you
know I'm sure in your mind you have a

555
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:33,280
construction cycle that you know we're
applying by this date of November 1st

556
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:36,079
and I we got our guys coming in and you
know

557
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:39,599
» yeah you can usually get like a good
amount of work done before building

558
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,760
permits are pulled. I guess the only
other thing and Is there a possibility

559
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:50,079
of like an escrow for this like where
it's if we don't you know we apply and

560
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:54,560
we don't you know pull a building permit
within a four or five months maybe we're

561
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,520
stretching here just
>> yeah I mean those because you're you're

562
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:02,240
going to not those trees aren't going to
grow back

563
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,960
» yeah and the poison ivy you know um
>> can't blame the dollar bills so that's

564
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:09,760
true
>> but I think like you said past projects

565
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,240
though that's happened that neighbors
get like dust control issues

566
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:18,640
» and then the project just sits because
funding something happened with funding

567
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,280
the state kicks back something
>> I mean

568
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:26,400
» so even if it was like I mean you're
obviously a uh you know it's a a good

569
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:29,680
kind of working relationship even with
best intentions sometimes things can

570
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:33,839
happen
>> another pandemic could slow shut

571
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,200
everything down you know that doesn't
happen but no I I get completely

572
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:40,319
understand the board's concern
especially if it's been an issue

573
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,319
recently it
Yeah.

574
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:50,960
» Staging area. Uh if you just want to
make sure I completely understand

575
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,200
what size [clears throat] of the staging
room is that just kind of basically

576
00:47:53,280 --> 00:48:00,240
where the house and I guess there's some
kind of garage there. Um because right

577
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:04,319
now they're just like aren't they just
uh abandoned? Is that right?

578
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:08,720
» Yes. Yeah. Right. That is because we
would probably want we demo that. Um I I

579
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,480
honestly I'd have to ask the
construction team more of like what they

580
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:17,440
would need uh given the site and what a
staging area would

581
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,319
» if you're when you're clearing I mean is
it something that it's it only makes

582
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,160
sense if you're clearing a substantial
amount of the lot

583
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,839
» generally. Yes.
>> But there's not anything like you could

584
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,079
do like this is a little area to clear.
>> Yeah.

585
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:31,760
» Kind of get the roads and everything.
Okay. clearing is relatively quick, but

586
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:36,400
then the the longer is moving there and
cutting and billing and getting

587
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:39,839
» and I mean the way that the last
decision was written is the the decision

588
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:43,680
was approved.
>> Mhm.

589
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:47,440
» But there was the I'm not sure the word
I'm looking for

590
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,040
» um that they couldn't do anything till
they were fully funded by the state.

591
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:56,240
Yeah, I did.
>> It wasn't affecting, you know, the the

592
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:00,880
potential of the board approving or
denying the decision for it. It's just

593
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,160
» that was one of the conditions that they
had.

594
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,480
» One of the conditions
>> and I checked back on another um

595
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:10,640
decision and you also had it in that one
too. Taft estates.

596
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,040
» Yeah, I don't remember that one.
>> Oh, I remember.

597
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,440
» I've only been here four months.
[laughter]

598
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,880
Um yeah, that's just something that
hasn't been that thought came my mind

599
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:28,240
about a week or so ago. We haven't
discussed it as um that has been

600
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,680
outstanded. So
>> Okay. All right. Yeah. If it's a

601
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:34,640
condition that's you know appeared in
the other I understand why it's in

602
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,400
there, you know, we could work around
that. So

603
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,520
» um
anyone else have anything for those in

604
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:45,280
the public
questions?

605
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:48,640
Yeah.
>> Anyone in the public comments,

606
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:53,680
questions?
>> If I passed our concerns, correct? We're

607
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,119
» not far past anything.
>> No.

608
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,920
» Name and address if you don't mind.
>> Gary Bubble with 18 Judy Lane.

609
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,559
» Okay.
>> Still have concerns on on a few things.

610
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,559
Um,

611
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,800
people must both come to my place and
take a look at what I'm going to lose

612
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,319
and what I'm going to what's going to be
altered and changed for me. That never

613
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:17,839
happened. I know he's looking to put in
a tree line. He says my elevation is 12

614
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:22,720
feet to my grass. 6 feet to my deck. I'm
6 foot person. That's another 12 ft. You

615
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:27,599
okay this tree line to be maintained at
12 to 14 ft. You didn't ask put it up on

616
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:32,800
an earthworm. U it's going to take years
for them to grow for us to gain privacy

617
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:38,480
back again. Um the statement was made
from Mr. Lois in the last meeting that

618
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:43,200
126 is a state road. It is not a state
road that is owned by the town,

619
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:46,720
maintained by the town. He said he
couldn't put up lights there because it

620
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:51,440
was a state road. That is false. It
becomes state at the highway, the

621
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:55,200
on-ramps and the offramps.
Um,

622
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:59,760
anybody think about where they're going
to get two and a half million gallons of

623
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:05,440
water extra year for this development?
We got a 300 a unit at the golf course.

624
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:10,400
We got Blackstone Street. We got Paduzi
doing North Street. in this development.

625
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,200
We got warehouses that are empty that
aren't filled and as soon as they are

626
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:18,240
filled, they're going to start drawing
one or two. Is that was that a concern

627
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:24,319
throughout this at all?
>> I think that has come up one bit.

628
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:28,480
» Oh, did is that something you address
conservation or

629
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:32,640
» the water usage? [clears throat]
I one thing um

630
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:38,000
» DPW has a requirement where all new
projects have their um hydrarology run

631
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:44,800
through a hydrarology model. We have a
hydraology model to sort of see how it's

632
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:49,760
going to affect um their system and then
they'll have to you know pay to upgrades

633
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:54,720
um to it. warehouses um and historically
just don't draw that much water and so

634
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:59,119
DPW actually at least again in my past
experience they liked it because it

635
00:51:56,079 --> 00:52:01,119
didn't draw a lot of water warehouse
properties but

636
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,839
» so it's something that they have to deal
with DPW

637
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:09,520
» a lot of DBW was in the tech review
meeting so they're aware of of kind of

638
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:13,200
the project and and you know the amount
of units we're proposing so and they you

639
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:19,359
know I think every department came up
with concerns you know water usage

640
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:26,000
wasn't one of them Um, so I would also
say uh 126 is a state uh state road is

641
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:30,160
way way I'm looking at it. Although
routes are all while they're not like

642
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:34,160
the the highways uh and I apologize I
use the term highway the routes those

643
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:39,839
routes are owned by the state and under
mascots's uh jurisdiction

644
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:42,880
» the state highway layout um website.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it has a root number and

645
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:47,200
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Actually, it's just Google, but it is a

646
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:52,160
state road.
um civic maintenance responsibilities

647
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:56,880
sometimes involve local towns
acceptance.

648
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:02,960
Yeah, that's that's something it
happened I think in like the 90s where

649
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:08,000
towns were offered to you know have
increase in their chapter 90 funding to

650
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:13,040
sort of take over maintenance of those
roadways so they wouldn't have to be on

651
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:19,200
the tip you know for any improvements
um because but it's DOT still owns those

652
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:22,720
roads we have again in the community
surrounding my last community they

653
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:26,400
decided to do that we didn't and it took
forever to get any roadway improvements

654
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:29,839
because it had to go through the state
and prove

655
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:34,400
» did the intersection of 140 and Maple
Street. The state did all that.

656
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,920
» Yeah.
>> I have

657
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:39,760
» Yep. Go ahead.
>> Off the site, it said on route 126 and

658
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:43,440
no mass the portion known as North Main
Street is entirely town owned and

659
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:48,000
maintained rather than stateowned. Even
though the route 126 is designated state

660
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:51,599
route, Massachusetts Department of
Transportation and the Mass GIS

661
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:55,119
administrative road records clarify
North Main Street as a town accepted

662
00:53:53,200 --> 00:54:00,920
roadway. The town of Bellingham holds a
legal jurisdiction and layout rights

663
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,920
over it.

664
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:08,240
» Okay.
>> I think the only question that came up

665
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:12,000
on that is were we going to ask them to
put a traffic light up there,

666
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:15,520
» which is why you sent the traffic it up
for traffic review.

667
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:20,000
» What's traffic review?
>> That just came in today. Okay.

668
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:24,440
» Well, the second review came in. You've
already already had the first review

669
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,440
done.

670
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:34,319
Um,
this project couldn't happen without

671
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:39,040
portb and a border selectman granted it.
And you don't have to allow it to this

672
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:45,920
size. You can shrink it down on density.
You can shrink this down. Um,

673
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:53,119
I'm not thrilled that 40B is coming in
behind my home value, property value.

674
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:56,559
Um, I'm concerned.
I'm concerned. I'm going to see and hear

675
00:54:54,640 --> 00:55:01,200
these people behind me. It's It's close
to my property.

676
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:07,200
I ask that you ask them to put their
trees, maintain a 20ft height,

677
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:10,880
put it up on an earth burn, do
something, make a concession so that

678
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:15,240
what they're taking away, I don't have
to endure with what they're putting in.

679
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,440
» What number you rely on?
>> 18.

680
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,440
» 18. Good.

681
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:29,599
» I would uh I you know we do have a clear
cut line there and I know there's the I

682
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:33,040
believe on the landscaping plan we do
have the uh app with the green what's

683
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,079
the technical term
>> green

684
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:40,160
» green giants
>> we have the green giants which you know

685
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:44,960
are some of the they're deer resistant
uh you know grow at a relatively solid

686
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:50,400
pace and uh do you know behind them when
they're first put in six to seven feet

687
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:55,720
» six to seven feet and they you know
I can get a box before those get to a

688
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,720
height for privacy.

689
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:06,880
» We did walk the site, by the way.
>> I I I know you did. Yep. Absolutely.

690
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:12,160
And your thoughts on that? What the
people were going to lose and the

691
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:18,359
puffers? Quite a bit.
Quite a bit. I invite you to come out to

692
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,359
my property and take a look.

693
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:25,760
Mr. Massi was supposed to come out, but
that never happened either.

694
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:31,440
» The other thing to know about the fact
the elevation it does like it kind of go

695
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:36,799
it goes up as well. Um, so you know, I
do think the most affected neighbor

696
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:41,520
would be the one directly to the left of
us. So, you know, between the no cut

697
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:45,839
zone, the, you know, a lot of
landscaping and keeping in mind the

698
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:51,200
rating plan was picked with great care,
you know, we're doing everything we, you

699
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:56,640
know, we we we can to prevent any kind
of disturbance to the back when it comes

700
00:56:53,520 --> 00:57:03,040
to the visualization. Um, and keeping in
mind too, these are one story, you know,

701
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:07,839
units. It's it's most multif family and
and probably the most cost effective way

702
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:14,720
is one building three or four stories
tall. So even next door on depot court

703
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:21,520
those are twotory uh buildings. So will
be shorter than those.

704
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:26,720
» So so behind something like uh um 18
what's the cut line then? The no cut

705
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:32,640
line. Sorry.
So I want to say it's like so that area.

706
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:38,799
Can you go back to the grading plan?
So he's at 18. So those contours are two

707
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:44,960
foot contours as you look. So So it's
two 46. There's a 8ft difference there.

708
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:51,359
10 foot difference cuz that's 266. So
that's 276 in his backyard and all the

709
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:56,000
way down is 266. See how that is kind of
highlighted? That area right there is

710
00:57:53,200 --> 00:58:01,839
like 42 feet from the tree line. The
widest part is 42 and the lowest part is

711
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:06,880
like 25 where that recharge area is. And
that's a cut. And like like David had

712
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:13,839
said, those structures are only one and
a half story. So I mean how I mean I

713
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:18,720
don't know how high that would be, but
30 ft.

714
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:21,680
» So it's actually we had that dimension.
>> We had that dimension on one of the

715
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,319
plans.
I don't think

716
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:29,760
» well what the height of those are, but
they're only one and a half stories, you

717
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:34,160
know, so they're they're not as tall as
uh even a regular house.

718
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:37,160
» As tall as a house would be as tall as a
house.

719
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:46,240
» But that area right behind 18, that's
like 42 42 feet wide. And those trees

720
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:50,490
are going to stay. And they're all big
trees. They're all tall.

721
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:53,520
» Yeah, you have them all locked.
>> [clears throat]

722
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:58,559
» And we try I tried to kick that area as
far. I had to do a cut though. So that's

723
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:03,440
why because the unit above that there's
a big cut to get that lower. So that you

724
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:07,359
know so we're trying to put we're trying
to put those units on the high side

725
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:11,040
lower down into the ground. So you're
just looking you're not looking at a

726
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:15,599
structure. You're looking at the top of
the growth

727
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:21,119
that
21.

728
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:26,960
So those units are only 21 from finish
grade to the top of the roof. They're

729
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:32,400
only 21 feet 4 in. And that's why we
kind of sunk sunk them down in the

730
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:36,720
ground.
I mean, and like I said, I I pushed all

731
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:42,880
that grading, but I need to get any
runoff around the buildings and into the

732
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:48,079
drainage system. So that's why it's kind
of a little bit wider there because

733
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:52,319
it's, you know, where the backyard is
flat and it's basically the same

734
00:59:50,400 --> 01:00:00,160
elevation as the unit and we're trying
to get it around that unit right there.

735
00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:05,200
But it's it's probably the that area
behind

736
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:10,559
18 is probably the widest buffer
throughout that whole back area there. I

737
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:15,920
mean just in that one up up in that
upper corner too, but that it's only

738
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:21,240
right in the middle between you know 18
and that other one that it's where it's

739
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,240
narrow

740
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:29,960
and that was the intent you know to sink
the structures down so it wouldn't

741
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,960
affect the neighbors.

742
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,720
» Anything else?

743
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:41,599
» Yeah, awesome thought. Um, you walked
the property, you said, you saw the

744
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:45,599
ribbons. I can see them out my kitchen
window how close that cut line's going

745
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:50,000
to be. I'm sure when you walk it, you
saw my whole backyard or right from

746
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:55,920
where the ribbons were, it's going to be
completely over. Uh, what waiting for

747
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:00,319
sixoot trees to grow is just not ideal.
And then to be maintained at 12 to 14

748
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:04,720
feet, it might be great for them not to
look up, but me looking down, it's not

749
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,720
so great.
Um,

750
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:17,040
I guess that's about it.
>> Anyone else?

751
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,000
» Quick question on the um
>> neighbor depot. I'm sorry.

752
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:25,520
» That's right.
>> Yeah, Vader. Um, so if you looked at the

753
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:30,079
property, they had they had put the
fence and the green giant you said upy I

754
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:35,680
believe. Mhm.
>> Um and at one point the last meeting I

755
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:38,480
think they moved the access road
um along that property line.

756
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,400
» Yep.
>> Um and it was also mentioned that the

757
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:46,880
fence would be on
erected on uh our

758
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:50,160
» on your side. Is there enough room? I
mean the green giants grow from what I

759
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:57,040
understand pretty good. There's enough
room between the fence and that

760
01:01:53,599 --> 01:02:03,880
uh I'm sure you should know, but it
seems like uh

761
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,880
there's not much room for them to

762
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:11,040
blow it up.
>> Yeah, the access road in the and the

763
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:15,359
trees in the fence. It doesn't seem like
the maybe I'm just looking at them

764
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:21,480
wrong. Now, so those circles that you
that I showed on the plant, that's

765
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,480
roughly a a 10-ft diameter.

766
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:27,839
So that I mean that's not how they're
going to be when they're first planted.

767
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:32,880
They're going to be able to grow wider,
but they would have to on on this side.

768
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,599
They would have to be maintained and
trimmed. They're going to have to do

769
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:39,200
some kind of trimming.
>> Yeah, I was as all all our landscaping

770
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,680
that we're proposing would be
maintained. So yeah, I guess there is

771
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:48,799
enough room. Uh obviously we would make
sure that the they don't get too big on

772
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:53,359
our side uh where it would affect the
fire lane going in. So

773
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,760
» and the access drive was was part of the
fire the meeting with the fire chief.

774
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,799
» Yes.
>> So that's how that access drive was.

775
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:05,599
» Yeah. That's I love that. Thank you. But
um I'm just curious looks like the fence

776
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:10,640
line still right on the property line.
It was agreed, I guess, to bring it in

777
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:14,400
onto your side of it and then then the
trees come in too. I'm assuming

778
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:18,559
» on our side. Yeah, the trees would be on
our side so we can obviously maintain

779
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:23,680
them. Uh I mean that's it's just on the
property line right now or just as

780
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:29,039
designed. I think maybe a good idea is
we put in the conditions, you know, that

781
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:33,039
the fence would be uh on our side and
maintained um you know, in forever. So

782
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:36,319
that that could be a good way just to
make sure that there's, you know, no

783
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:40,079
funny business 50 years.
>> That's that's that's good. Also, you

784
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:45,039
brought up point of trimming these
bushes. I mean,

785
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:49,119
thank you. Because they're going to be
trim on both sides, so they don't knock

786
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,240
the fence over and wind up in this
gentleman's backyard, too. So,

787
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:57,680
» what's the distance between the property
line and the edge of that fire lane?

788
01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:01,520
» At the closest point, it's probably uh I
would say it looks like it's eight feet.

789
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:06,079
Okay. Up near the corner. I mean I mean
I could try to adjust that access right

790
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:08,799
and push it down a little further
>> or I mean there are problem

791
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:13,440
» but I am in the process
>> there are pro yeah there there might be

792
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:16,000
other species of
>> yeah those are just good because the

793
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:21,920
deer don't
>> they don't well but of arborite that

794
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:24,799
might be a little bit thinner still tall
um you might have to plant them a little

795
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,520
bit but so that way they don't get
they're not as bushy out

796
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:33,920
» okay
>> so they might be like a you know an

797
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:36,799
eight foot diameter at mature size.
>> Yeah, we can I can

798
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:39,520
» but again I mean you can also just trim
them.

799
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:43,359
» Yeah. Yeah. Let me let me talk to my
landscaper now between the next meeting

800
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:47,599
and just see his thoughts and whether he
thinks you know if he has a better

801
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:50,640
suggestion or you know saying kind of
what what you know how those would be

802
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:53,920
maintained and we can definitely put
that in the order of conditions.

803
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:04,319
I could there was also talk of a walking
trail between Depot court and this place

804
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:08,319
of residency. Um the last thing you want
is people walking around your your

805
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:13,039
property even though it's not on your
property, you know, from place to place.

806
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:16,640
I think there's plenty of room. You put
sidewalks in for them to go for common.

807
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:20,400
I think the walking trail between both
places to me is a bad idea.

808
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,000
» Yeah. It's actually not on the plans
right now.

809
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,520
» Yeah. No, but for
>> it was just the sidewalk. Just the

810
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,760
sidewalk was
>> just the sidewalk going up on Depot

811
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:30,720
Street.
>> That's it. But yeah, the first party

812
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,599
mentioned
>> it was it was mentioned in an earlier

813
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:38,559
meeting.
>> Um yeah, it truly was.

814
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:41,280
» Yeah, there's someone I don't know if it
could have been me. It was throw out an

815
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:45,119
idea at some point of of that
possibility, but I think what we landed

816
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:49,440
on is we're extending our sidewalk and
uh Depot Court's sidewalk. So they're

817
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:53,920
connected. Depot Port right now has a
sidewalk that goes to the road. So,

818
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:56,720
we're gonna give it a location hopefully
over to where we are.

819
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,839
» It goes to the road. It connects to the
the block up there.

820
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,039
» Yeah. But I think it's like they don't
have the sidewalk kind of like here. So,

821
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:06,720
it just kind of goes there and then
their driveway. So, it's you know that

822
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:13,119
way the we'll probably connect down to
that. So, um and then then it connects

823
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:18,680
the park. So,
all right. Any questions, comments from

824
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,680
board members?

825
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:28,720
I mean, I think it seems like that that
gun has shown good faith to try to work

826
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:32,880
with the buffer as as uh well as can be
expected. there's a big elevation change

827
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:38,799
and I think that
they've massaged and moved around the

828
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:43,960
buildings and I think um it seems
reasonable for a close design to me.

829
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:54,319
Um Rachel, what are our next steps for
this? Um I don't know if you and again

830
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:58,880
just because it seemed that a couple
times somebody was making a motion to do

831
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:05,039
a decision. So I was like we can just
we'll do a decision to you know we can

832
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:12,319
walk through it um on the conditions
um if you want to try and go through

833
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:16,079
those tonight um and do a vote approve
or deny. Um

834
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:20,400
» okay
>> we can do that. Again I just following

835
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:25,200
the conversation. I think I only missed
one meeting. Um so, but I did have

836
01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:27,760
meeting minutes. Watch the recording of
it. Um

837
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:31,280
» because currently we're still open.
Meetings still currently be open.

838
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:36,079
» Yes. Yeah, your public hearing is open.
Um still

839
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:40,559
um if there's any information that you
need. I think again there's there's

840
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:44,720
minor things with the um peer review
that need to be wrapped up which again

841
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:49,920
we can condition that as uh prior to
building permit. Um, also adding in that

842
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:53,680
condition um, from what you've done
before on the land clearing as well,

843
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:57,280
» the condition on the water man
>> on the water man. We're going to

844
01:07:54,799 --> 01:08:04,119
strengthen that a little bit um, on
that. I I can word smith something on

845
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,119
that one too. Um,

846
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:12,720
and then the
fence um, I'm going to say set one foot

847
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:20,000
onto um, 46 depot inside of that um,
property line. Um, that's similar to

848
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:24,480
other towns I've worked in.
>> Yep.

849
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:29,080
» I think what else
question the board what you folks would

850
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:29,080
like to do

851
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:39,520
again. We're still an open meeting. So,
we want to close it. We want to keep it

852
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:43,040
open. Um, our next meeting won't be
until November.

853
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:49,199
» Yeah.
We won't have quorum in October. N

854
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:54,080
» and so far Peter's missed a meeting
already. So he can't do another Mullins.

855
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,480
I think you've missed a meeting. So he
can't miss another he can't miss another

856
01:08:55,679 --> 01:09:00,719
meeting.
>> Um or else he'll be he won't be eligible

857
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:06,960
to vote. And then they would have to
readvertise again in order to get a full

858
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:09,120
board um to be eligible to vote, which
is, you know,

859
01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:13,520
» not not fair to the applicant.
>> Yeah. Um, so if you want to deliberate

860
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:17,520
on it, you open, close, you know,
whatever. Um,

861
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:23,120
» just one thought. Um,
just asking out to the neighbor. Um,

862
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:27,600
would having a little section of fence,
would that be desirable? I mean, because

863
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,199
I think they I get where you're coming
from and I, you know, I think I could

864
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:34,880
see being in your possession and not
being thrilled.

865
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:39,600
would having any kind of aortion if the
applicant was willing to do any kind of

866
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:42,880
aortion offense to obscure the view.
>> It would it would be considered I'm not

867
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,640
here to bleed them for offense.
>> Okay.

868
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,199
» I just want privacy.
>> No, [clears throat] I'm just just trying

869
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,120
to think if there's anything
>> if you guys go there and see what I'm

870
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:55,840
losing, you know, it's it's it's
everything out the back. I get it. Yeah,

871
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:59,199
» you have the right to cut all those
trees down and clear cut. I get that.

872
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:03,280
But um
>> I think the hardship is in the natural

873
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:08,719
landscape just kind of that there's a a
fair grade change and I think it is good

874
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:12,000
that they're one story. So I mean I'm
just throwing something out there. If

875
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:15,440
there's any story helps
>> might help, you know, be looking them

876
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:18,239
out at it.
>> Okay.

877
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:22,560
» The idea of having a 40D product behind
it is not thrilling. You have the right

878
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:28,800
to shrink it down. Hoping you take that
into consideration

879
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:33,360
uh by density. Um,
it would be entertained. A a resolution

880
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:39,760
would be entertained. What it is, I
don't know. Plant much taller trees, buy

881
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:43,920
them already much larger. Put them up on
an earth burn. Do something. So, there's

882
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:47,520
density put back so I don't have to see
or hear it.

883
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:52,880
» Okay. The only issue I would have with
having a I understand having a larger

884
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:58,239
calipiber any um would be good, but
there is a higher risk of it not taking

885
01:10:55,440 --> 01:11:02,880
to its new location because it's now
used to it's older. I get it, you know,

886
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:07,199
same as people. I move around as a older
person and uh I don't I don't like it,

887
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:11,760
you know. Uh it's just, you know, when
it's a smaller caliper, if you but you

888
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:16,960
can get a tree that is going to grow
quickly, you know, put on a couple of,

889
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:21,840
you know, feet in a few years.
>> Um that's just my concern. Um is if you

890
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:25,600
get a larger tree, there is a there
might be a higher chance of it dying and

891
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,719
then
>> that's not what we want either. We don't

892
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:33,199
want to look at dead trees.
>> And you know, and please don't think we

893
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:37,760
take it lightly. I I can just be very
honest with you. I know there's at least

894
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:44,080
two board members sitting here that have
40B projects. They're above us, too. Um,

895
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:46,880
I'm one of them. And I know Brian is as
well. So, we

896
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,520
» I was going to ask you guys, where you
live in town?

897
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:54,560
» Oh, I got one right by here.
>> He's got one right next to I have a 40B

898
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,480
at the end of my driveway. It It didn't
affect my house value. I'll tell you

899
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,239
that. But
>> it didn't.

900
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,800
» No, it didn't.
>> It's been in for 15 years.

901
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:04,719
» I can tell you. I worked for the town
for 29 years and the police for fire

902
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:08,880
have been at the one down here and the
other one quite often. They got their

903
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:11,760
own keys. They bring problems.
>> Well, this is what if it was all

904
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:19,840
veterans, great. Bring it all.
>> This is an over 55 development, too. So,

905
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:23,520
» place that's pretty quite busy, too. Um,
it is a fence the resolution if you

906
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:27,600
can't put bigger trees, maybe. I don't
know. But some sort of resolution would

907
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:31,199
be nice.
I think you can f I would I would

908
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:36,880
suggest that the applicant take a look
at with their landscape architect

909
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:41,040
looking at some species of trees that
can put on some height you know quickly

910
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:43,520
or fast growing trees.
>> Yeah.

911
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:47,360
» To you know again that's just my
concern. If you want to spend the money

912
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:51,120
on a you know much larger caliber tree
that's fine. No, just because I think

913
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:55,280
you nailed it on the head is we have
tried that before. The the the reason we

914
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:59,600
do the the green giants is because
they're they're they they maintain green

915
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:04,960
because they're thick rebellent. They
grow pretty fast. Like it's not

916
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:07,920
» the least expensive tree we go with or
like the tallest tree. It's the one that

917
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:12,320
like it's the most sturdy. It's going to
grow and we find that provides the best

918
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:16,600
shading. So, it's it's that's kind of
why we we go that way.

919
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,960
Okay.
>> Can I get a copy of that uh traffic

920
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:22,800
study?
>> It's online.

921
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,000
» It's online.
>> Absolutely.

922
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:29,440
» Thank you.
>> Yeah. Absolutely.

923
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:35,679
» Any other uh still
it's still open unless someone wants to

924
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:38,719
make a motion to close bulk here.
>> I

925
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:42,666
No, I was just Stephanie,
>> you can't make a motion.

926
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,666
» Yeah, I can't make a motion. [laughter]

927
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,159
Can't make one.
Um,

928
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:53,120
» may
>> Yes. May I ask one question?

929
01:13:51,199 --> 01:14:00,560
» Um, go ahead, Stephanie.
>> Thank you. So, if the if the board isn't

930
01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:08,239
going to meet again um until November,
um if they're not prepared to

931
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:14,560
well, under 40B, you can vote the
decision um and then you have 40 days to

932
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:19,679
issue the decision. So you have time and
that you can then go and review an

933
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:24,880
updated draft of it and get it out. So
voting it doesn't mean that you have to

934
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:30,800
issue the written decision within a day.
Um and the other part of my comment was

935
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:34,719
if you aren't comfortable with that at
this point, is there any ability for the

936
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:39,679
board to have a special hearing yet
later this month um rather than wait

937
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:46,080
until November?
Um we myself and Rachel did discuss that

938
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:51,280
at one point. Um
>> the only time I would be available um in

939
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:58,159
this room would be available um is the
17th. The planning board meets um the

940
01:14:53,679 --> 01:15:02,719
10th and the 20. So I would not be here.
Um but I'm sure you not that you can't

941
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:05,920
do anything without me like you guys are
capable adults.

942
01:15:06,451 --> 01:15:14,239
» [laughter]
>> Um

943
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:18,159
» I can do the sub but what
>> I guess you run the risk of yeah people

944
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:21,520
schedules it gets
>> tricky

945
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:26,880
» I guess so Stephanie would an option be
that the board votes to accept the site

946
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:31,679
plan and you know the waiverss tonight
with an understanding that we would need

947
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:37,600
like can they condition a clean letter
from uh Beals Thomas with like you know

948
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:41,600
you know appropriate plans or changes
made. Is that possible?

949
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:46,159
» You you can do that as a condition of a
comp permit. Yes. Just because it's it's

950
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:51,040
it's just wrap-up items at this point
with respect to the bills and Thomas. So

951
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:56,400
if if the board's inclined, they can
they can vote and condition that you

952
01:15:53,440 --> 01:16:02,239
know one of the conditions um you know
before building permits obviously um is

953
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:07,040
that the the you know peer review has
has acknowledged you know close out of

954
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:10,239
all of any of any open comments
>> um and and like

955
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:14,480
» yeah I have some you know standard
language that I've used in planning

956
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:17,040
board and as well as your decisions too
um before

957
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:20,239
» and plus we have 40 days to go through
the the decision And it would it's

958
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:24,159
essentially we're doing the same thing
that we normally do is you're making

959
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:28,640
you're decide making a vote subject to
draft conditions or draft conditions and

960
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:32,400
standard conditions and the following
special conditions. You don't have to

961
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:37,120
get them perfectly wordsmith tonight.
That's usually what I do. And then you

962
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:43,040
know then you do you do whatever your
vote is and then I write up that

963
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:48,480
decision you know making it planner
flourishes you know great word smithing

964
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:50,880
that I do. Um and um then you just come
in and sign it.

965
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:54,960
» You want me to make a motion?
>> Yeah,

966
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:58,000
I did entertain the motion um to close
the public hearing.

967
01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:00,320
» I'll make the motion to close the public
hearing.

968
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,880
» I have a second.
>> Second.

969
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:06,360
» All those in favor?
>> I

970
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,360
» I

971
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:14,800
have a question first because I'm not
really sure

972
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:20,800
what's the value in closing right now.
Do you want any new information?

973
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:25,520
Do you need any new information to make
your decision?

974
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:29,199
Like substantially new information.
Once you once it's closed, then you

975
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,800
don't you can't take any new
information. You take clarifying

976
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,480
information except what's conditioned
within your decision. You know, like

977
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:39,120
we're going to
>> So, how do we proc this later on like as

978
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:43,600
it's being developed? So, we're out of
out of it after this

979
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:45,600
» once once we condition it. um they have
to follow all our conditions.

980
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,159
» Mhm.
>> Yes.

981
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:51,679
» We won't actually follow it unless the
building inspector comes back and says,

982
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,120
"Hey, this is outside the scope of your
decision."

983
01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:54,800
» Okay.
>> So, they process.

984
01:17:54,400 --> 01:18:00,080
» Yeah.
>> If they decide that they're going to put

985
01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:02,880
up a 15th building, three stories high.
>> The only thing that's probably going to

986
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:06,719
come before you is on any of these
permits like the DPW street opening

987
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:09,679
permit. That'll come back before you at
some point, you know, when they're

988
01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:13,120
ready. any of those things, those will
come back before you. But that's not a

989
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:17,360
public hearing.
>> It's just a permanent. It's

990
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:21,560
administrative.
>> Yeah. Yes.

991
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,664
» Okay. [laughter]

992
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:33,719
» Discussion with the board.
Thoughts,

993
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:33,719
concerns?

994
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:40,719
You can speak.
You can't vote. to speak.

995
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:44,719
» My first uh my first real looking at
this. So, it's

996
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:48,040
kind of just learning how the process
works. And

997
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:57,040
» I mean, you know, I'm I'm still
concerned about traffic in that area.

998
01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:01,520
You know, it's
it can be very difficult to get in and

999
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:07,800
out of that area.
>> I've actually been down the past three

1000
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:07,800
or four mornings for something else.

1001
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:14,000
at home's going to disagree with you.
>> That's observation bias. Maybe

1002
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:20,239
» it is. [laughter]
I was I was actually there quart 8 this

1003
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:25,920
morning. I pulled back out about 910. I
think at like four o'clock different but

1004
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:29,760
» yeah that whole
>> I will say that with that in the past

1005
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:33,120
because I know Brian Salsbury would be a
stapler for that and say like are we

1006
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:36,480
going to calculate the worst case
scenario and it still didn't really

1007
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:40,719
change anything with the
>> trafficis

1008
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:45,920
» I feel like I don't fully trust all the
traffic analysis but you know at all but

1009
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:51,760
I also feel like it's hard to
>> I don't know how you um

1010
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:55,440
» quantif ify it or condition it.
>> No, no. It's just an observation that

1011
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:57,679
every time they say it's not going to
happen anything right there.

1012
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:02,320
» Yeah.
>> I've never read a traffic study that

1013
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:06,159
said this is going to impact traffic.
>> Every single one of them says this will

1014
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:11,760
not impact traffic at all.
>> Yeah, it's true. Yeah.

1015
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:16,800
» You do have a peer review that was done,
you know, independently for you though

1016
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:20,320
that says the same thing. Yeah.
>> The same thing.

1017
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:23,120
» I agree with you. I know it is kind of
to me it is sometimes frustrating

1018
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:28,239
because it does seem like every time
they say it's never going to impact.

1019
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:32,000
» Yeah. And I mean
maybe it's not in the grand scheme of

1020
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:38,760
things and maybe it's other things going
on but it is a very congested

1021
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,760
» area. So

1022
01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:49,080
that's that's my one right questions.
>> No, I don't think so. I I think I'm

1023
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,080
comfortable.

1024
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:57,120
» I just want to make sure they
[clears throat]

1025
01:20:53,040 --> 01:21:01,360
they do the best effort, you know, to uh
for the ones that are on the left side

1026
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:04,640
or I guess I guess that be the west
side.

1027
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:11,360
» Yeah, be the left side.
>> Um you know, work with the the

1028
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,199
mothers there.
>> Absolutely. Um, but I think, you know, I

1029
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:19,040
think uh everything's been worked pretty
well over that.

1030
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:25,679
» I mean, I don't um go back to that. I
mean, I hate using the word BM. Um, I've

1031
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:32,239
seen them. I'm not a huge fan of them
and and I'm not sure you even have the

1032
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:36,320
width to get a a 10-ft burm up there.
The width you would need for a 10-ft

1033
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:39,840
burm, you'd wind up clearing more trees
to get a burm in there.

1034
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:44,800
» Yes. Because
>> 10 feet you've got to be what 20 20 30

1035
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:48,800
feet wide taking down more trees
>> and you've got terrible storm water I

1036
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:53,440
think like your control for storm water
like the things going up and then really

1037
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,679
and then like you're saying like I get
like you need to you can't have the

1038
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,719
thing slope right to the back of the
building.

1039
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:02,960
» No,
>> you want some sort of a flat area. I

1040
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:10,800
» think you want to take up more trees,
but the width is what the height of it.

1041
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:15,280
I hate burps.
It's worse than the sound is.

1042
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:22,320
» You brought up something hate.
>> I just We've allowed it a few projects

1043
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:25,320
and I'm just like, why did we do that?
Um

1044
01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:29,480
Rachel, you have the

1045
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,639
um
the water man.

1046
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:39,120
» Yes. Jack, we're going to strengthen
that language.

1047
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:44,000
You have the
um Oh my god, I brought a metal blank.

1048
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:46,159
The clearing the land clearing.
>> Yes.

1049
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,320
» And wasn't there one more?
>> This the fence.

1050
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:56,239
» The fence
>> the I have water main strengthen. Um use

1051
01:22:53,280 --> 01:23:01,199
the no land clearing from sunken meadow,
the construction management plan that

1052
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:05,600
could that's part of our um
pre-construction meeting. Um but I can

1053
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:11,520
put it in there just so it's there. Um
and then final plans to show the line

1054
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:20,639
striping and a stop sign. Uh the fence
um over by 56 Depot Street to be set one

1055
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:24,000
foot onto 46 Depot Street's property. Um
that's what I have for the special

1056
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:27,840
additional conditions that have come out
of this discussion tonight.

1057
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,840
» Do we need to put in that it's they
maintain they continue maintenance on

1058
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:32,960
it?
>> I will I think I might have some

1059
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:37,679
language in here already. If I don't, I
will put that in there along with the

1060
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:41,600
landscaping maintained in perpetuity.
>> Um,

1061
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:47,239
have the rest of the board, have you
read her preliminary decision that she

1062
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:47,239
emailed?

1063
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:55,040
» And now, do you want that word changed
townhouse to something else?

1064
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:58,080
» No. As long as it's not okay. Listen, if
if we're going through all this effort,

1065
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:03,040
they're going through this effort, the
neighbors going through it. I don't my

1066
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:06,960
thought was I don't want that one word
to get to the state of whoever's

1067
01:24:04,719 --> 01:24:10,560
approving it and say oh these are town
host and just dump everything right back

1068
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:14,800
to them. That was my only concern.
>> Okay.

1069
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:18,320
» I just in fairness to
everyone put effort into this. Ask them

1070
01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:21,920
and neighbors and
>> Yeah. Okay.

1071
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:25,828
» That's as long as it's not going to
screw up their application. It's on

1072
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,080
them. If it does
[clears throat]

1073
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,760
on them,
>> right? Yeah. [laughter]

1074
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:35,653
Okay.
>> Do we want any wording for the west

1075
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:37,673
side?
[clears throat]

1076
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:47,760
» Um, do you want uh fencing along the
rear of the property line?

1077
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:51,199
» I don't know. Fencing will help.
>> You You're putting up six foot green

1078
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:54,159
giants.
>> Yeah.

1079
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:58,080
» And a sixoot fence. What's that going to
>> Yeah. That sounds like the neighbor is

1080
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:00,320
saying too that it's um it's got the
second floor and

1081
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:04,560
» yeah the old
>> I think what you said was good James

1082
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:07,600
that kind of that I guess just the
applicant kind of working

1083
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,639
» with the abutter
>> say that

1084
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:14,480
» going as as
>> you can't

1085
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:18,080
» maintaining whatever you can
>> landscaping including some trees that

1086
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,639
have maybe more of a canopy
understanding yes that means it's

1087
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:27,280
deciduous so it's going to lose its
leaves but even then that's you

1088
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:32,880
how how long how you know that's that's
something a tree that has a canopy so

1089
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:37,840
that way he's not looking at that
>> you know see where the your landscape

1090
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:40,960
architect can fit one of those in.
Yeah, we

1091
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:44,320
» I mean, yeah, that's that's something
that I could think of because again, you

1092
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:49,840
look at something with 21 feet, there's
plenty of trees that could get well

1093
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:53,360
above that, you know, quickly. Um, and
have a canopy that comes up and over,

1094
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:57,840
you know, and provides enough.
>> And I think the hard thing is the the

1095
01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:01,280
elevation differences that you put up a
50ft tree.

1096
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:06,159
» Yeah. because you're looking down on
>> but then that canopy is going to be out

1097
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:11,560
you know you know
>> so the current cut area how tall are

1098
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,560
those trees

1099
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:18,480
» yeah I thought
>> yeah they're they're big pines

1100
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:21,360
» they're over they're over 20 ft
>> yes

1101
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:24,400
» the non cutter is already you know
>> yeah right

1102
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:28,560
» I think we yeah all we can do is kind of
ask that they maintain as best they can

1103
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,719
» I yeah
>> they're

1104
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:37,080
What do you guys want to do?

1105
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,960
» Make commercials.

1106
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,840
» We haven't heard from you for a while.

1107
01:26:47,965 --> 01:26:53,440
[laughter]
>> Well, you're not listening to

1108
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:57,400
a long time.
>> Been quiet over there past.

1109
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:04,960
tired.
Um, yeah, I mean I, you know, I don't

1110
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:09,040
think we need more information other
than what we still have to receive. I

1111
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:16,800
guess I have one clarifying question,
Rachel. Um, if we vote and approve and

1112
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:22,400
it has the 40 days, will we have that
time period to review the additional

1113
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:26,800
submissions and the new plans? Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah, they may get that stuff

1114
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:30,639
prior to even having that, you know,
meeting that that happens a lot too.

1115
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:34,239
This just gives you that buffer that
okay, this is your stop dead date. Like

1116
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:37,280
if you do not have it by this, you know,
you're not getting a building.

1117
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:42,159
» And when you email us or when Amy emails
us that the other question I have here,

1118
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:48,880
thank you for bringing that up, was is
the 20-day appeal period, is that from a

1119
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:54,320
vote, if it was approved, is that either
way they got 20-day appeal. Is that from

1120
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:58,639
today or 40 days when we sign off from
the file decision?

1121
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:02,560
» 20. It's 40 days from today. If you
whatever your vote is today, you have 40

1122
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:06,960
days to get that decision. And then as I
understand it, once you as soon as you

1123
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:10,159
submit that
>> decision, that's when the 20 days

1124
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,159
starts.
>> Yeah.

1125
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:25,440
» Yeah. Um Okay. I will make a motion to
approve

1126
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:27,520
the
the special permit

1127
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:34,719
» comprehensive permit
>> comprehensive permit with the

1128
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:40,239
conditions that Rachel is going to
>> specified

1129
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:44,639
deliberation in our deliberation
>> and draft and uh the draft conditions as

1130
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:50,840
presented in the draft conditions as
presented. Anything more missing than

1131
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,840
that?

1132
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:02,239
» I know you're looking at me. Do you want
me to second?

1133
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:05,600
» Don't tell me what to do. It's going to
be a long night.

1134
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:08,560
» Yeah, there's other people here. I'll
second.

1135
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:12,400
» Well, we have a motion. We have a
second. Um, we have to do a roll call on

1136
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:16,000
this.
>> Yeah, might as well. You did it for the

1137
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:21,199
last one. So, oh, do we also need to do
the waivers um individually

1138
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:25,360
um or do a vote to uh approve the
waivers as presented?

1139
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:29,840
» All right. Should we
>> do this vote and then you know you could

1140
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:34,400
do your the waivers as as well. Is that
order okay, Stephanie? Or

1141
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,560
» I sometimes prefer the vote on the
waiver first, but um

1142
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:41,040
» Okay.
>> All right. We can hold on that vote.

1143
01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:43,199
» Does the motion withdraw
you need me to withdraw?

1144
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:47,280
» No. No,
>> I entertain a motion to accept the

1145
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:51,800
waiverss
um and hold.

1146
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:58,320
» So move
>> second.

1147
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,080
All those in favor?
>> I

1148
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:04,800
» I
>> All right. So, we have a motion and a

1149
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:10,800
second to approve the comprehensive
permit with the inserts that you're

1150
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:14,639
going to put in. And we're still waiting
for comments back on the one item

1151
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:18,639
traffic study.
>> Yes. Yes.

1152
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:22,960
um
>> which that was one of the um special um

1153
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:27,760
conditions subject to the draft
conditions as presented and the special

1154
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:32,719
conditions um as discussed during your
deliberation.

1155
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:36,617
» We'll do a roll call.
>> Liz I [clears throat]

1156
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:41,400
can't
I

1157
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,679
motion passes.

1158
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:52,000
the lawyers run out of the wrong
question.

1159
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:57,040
» Yeah. Right.
>> Okay. Um so yeah, 40 days to do that. I

1160
01:30:55,280 --> 01:31:03,600
could I probably have it, you know,
minor tweaks here and there. Um probably

1161
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:06,960
by end mid end of next week um to you
guys.

1162
01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:11,440
» I'm here until the 25th. So
>> Okay.

1163
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:16,000
» All right. Great. And then we we'll
respond just to you just to me.

1164
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:20,400
» Yes. Not Not reply.
>> Not reply.

1165
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:23,679
» Yes. I will make sure I will blind copy
you as well so you don't you know set

1166
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:26,320
you guys up for success.
>> God damn it.

1167
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:30,080
» No.
>> Okay. Awesome.

1168
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,239
» Good.
>> Thank you.

1169
01:31:30,719 --> 01:31:35,040
» Thank you.
>> Thank you Stephanie.

1170
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:41,480
» Thank you Stephanie.
>> Thank you Stephanie. [clears throat]

1171
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:41,480
» Thank you. Have a good evening all.

1172
01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:46,040
Thank you. try.

1173
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,760
» Okay.

1174
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:58,760
I guess we're not.
>> So,

1175
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:58,760
um the next item we have on the agenda

1176
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:06,800
» actually has approve meeting minutes. I
>> have some question.

1177
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:10,719
» Liz um did have an edit. The copy that
you have in your packet doesn't have

1178
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:15,760
that edit, but I did change it. Um the
LA end it was to close the meeting of

1179
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:19,920
August 8th as opposed to August 6. So I
did make that change in the final

1180
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:24,159
version. Thank you for double checking.
>> Oh

1181
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:27,280
maybe
>> I'm just sometimes I throw things in

1182
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:30,600
there, you know, just to see if you guys
are paying attention.

1183
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:38,639
» We should Can we still approve them with
the Yep. Yeah. I understand motion to

1184
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:41,280
move the minutes from
May 6th, 2026

1185
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:43,920
» as amended.
>> As amended

1186
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:48,480
moved
>> second

1187
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:54,320
favor I
>> Okay. Um

1188
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:58,560
I don't even remember doing this but
next item on the agenda is certificate

1189
01:32:56,239 --> 01:33:03,280
completion statement of Curtis
Apartments development.

1190
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:07,040
» Uh vote to release of the covenant.
Yeah. Um

1191
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:13,040
» honestly I don't know about the covenant
accept that when we did this but

1192
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:16,880
» that's okay it happened. Um so they are
going through their um transferring of

1193
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:21,520
ownership of this. So we're going
through the comprehensive permit with a

1194
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:27,440
fine tooth comb um and tying up all of
those ends. Um and one of them was this

1195
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:33,679
um only thing so you know they have
completed which is that letter um bowler

1196
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:39,280
um provided to us as well as um as plans
too the we're not taking over the it's a

1197
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:46,080
private property still it's just a sewer
um that goes through their line u but

1198
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:49,760
that's we're not taking ownership of the
private property

1199
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:52,960
» selling it amazing
anyways

1200
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:58,080
» so um if you is vote. Again, they are
entitled to a release because

1201
01:33:54,560 --> 01:34:02,239
everything's completed. Um,
sign it. One person can't sign it

1202
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:06,480
because they need to have it their um
thing notorized.

1203
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:11,719
» Okay, great. Awesome.
>> So,

1204
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,719
» so motion to release

1205
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:19,120
» release the covenant.
>> Release the Curtis.

1206
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:22,400
Curtis
located at 165 Street, Bellingham,

1207
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:25,440
Massachusetts.
>> Okay. But so moved.

1208
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:29,440
» No, I need a motion, dude.
>> Okay. Motion to release as as stated.

1209
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,440
» A second.
>> Second.

1210
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:34,440
» All in favor?
>> I

1211
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:44,880
can hear for just for that. Yeah.
>> I Yeah, I told them that that you didn't

1212
01:34:41,679 --> 01:34:47,880
need to come. So,
Yeah,

1213
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:57,679
» unless you guys want to hang out more.
>> No, I I definitely say a motion to

1214
01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:59,199
adjourn this meeting.
>> Second.

1215
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:02,159
» Okay.
>> All those in favor?

1216
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,920
» I.
>> And we are closing the September 3rd,

1217
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:09,679
2026 meeting.
>> There's no October.

1218
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:12,560
» No. Great. That's great. Fantastic. I
can't say this.