[2:42] No,
[2:45] they like me.
[3:08] Yeah. Know once you figure it out,
you're like, "Oh, wow. That worked."
[3:11] Pulled it up.
>> Oh, was it this way?
[3:17] Yeah.
[3:25] Look at that.
[3:29] [clears throat]
[3:33] There we go.
[3:44] » Okay.
I also learned the old guy for both
[3:49] staff and officials. I'll be here. We
can expand like
[3:53] whatever. You know that one.
>> Just carry a magnifying glass.
[3:57] » No, that's not cool.
>> A monle.
[4:01] » Yeah.
>> Actually, I had a lady do that tell me
[4:06] about that in Lowe's one day. Started
living. She goes, "And man, just take a
[4:10] picture of it."
>> Oh, yeah. Blow it up. Yeah.
[4:12] » Wow. Makes sense.
[4:43] What?
[5:02] We good?
>> Yes, we're good.
[5:05] Like
>> to welcome everyone to the September
[5:08] 3rd, 2026 Bellingham Zone Board appeals
meeting. Uh, can I get a motion to open
[5:13] the meeting?
>> Motion to open the hand.
[5:16] » Yes. Second.
>> A second. All
[5:18] » in favor?
>> I believe we have people streets on the
[5:24] agenda tonight, right?
>> Yes.
[5:27] » So, come on up, guys.
[5:33] Rachel, what we're going over the
waiverss tonight? Is that what we're
[5:36] doing?
>> Yes.
[5:38] » Yes. Going over the waivers. I think uh
the attorney um I think that was a
[5:41] comment from both deals and Thomas and
the board um was to just elaborate on uh
[5:46] the waiverss
>> the waiver list. So they did go back
[5:49] through and there's some that you know
we don't need anymore, some that you
[5:52] know we still do, but they did elaborate
on those. Um they've also revised the
[5:57] plans um since the last and Thomas
review and they're going to revise them
[6:02] again. Um there weren't too many issues
again from what I could see on there,
[6:07] but you know um we'll let the board um
decide. The traffic review came back
[6:13] that was and I think they only had one
item on that one.
[6:17] » One outstanding comment.
>> Yeah, one outstanding comment. And I
[6:20] think that that was sent just um today
probably. So if you haven't had a chance
[6:23] to look at it, that's
>> it wasn't anything big. It wasn't
[6:28] anything large. Um
>> great. So, we actually need to go over
[6:32] all of these lately or just the ones
that are extremely pertinent for us.
[6:37] » We uh we have our attorney on the line
or during Stephanie is uh here. So, you
[6:42] know, generally what we like to do if
it's okay with the board is you can kind
[6:45] of walk through the waiverss and and
say, you know, kind of expand or ask any
[6:49] questions that you have um just because
they draft the waiver list and you know,
[6:54] some of them may be frauds you can talk
through. Um but like Rachel said, some
[6:58] of them have been taken out or modified
based off what we need. U typically the
[7:04] the planning board one is gone. The
parking space one is gone because we now
[7:08] meet that uh regulation. Um so if you
don't mind, you know, if we could I can
[7:14] hand it over to her. She can kind of
talk through them and then if you guys
[7:16] have any questions, uh she's on Zoom. So
uh can you hear me? Okay, Stephanie?
[7:21] » I can. Yes. Can you hear me? Okay.
>> Yep. Yep. Uh, take it away, please.
[7:27] » Okay, fantastic. Um, good evening
members of the board. Stephanie Kefir
[7:31] from Small and Vaughn in North Andover.
Um, on behalf of the applicant
[7:36] and and really how you would like the
waivers approached this evening is it
[7:42] boards vary the way that they would like
to do it. I can go through them one by
[7:45] one or if the board had specific
questions about certain ones. So, let me
[7:51] know what your pleasure is and and I'll
proceed.
[7:55] You want me to share it on the screen? I
can do that, too.
[7:57] » Yeah, if you don't,
[8:01] » I do read through. Nothing really
screams. Oh my god. To me.
[8:09] Okay.
[8:16] Would
[8:22] you like me to start walking you through
it or do you want to?
[8:25] » Yeah, why don't you?
>> Absolutely. So, the first page of the
[8:30] waiver list is obviously just an
explanation of the authority pursuant to
[8:35] 40B that allows us to seek the waiverss
from local requirements and regulations.
[8:40] And and just to pause here for a second
and clarify, pursuant to the board's
[8:45] authority and power under chapter 40B,
there's no waiver given to any state or
[8:50] federal requirements. So obviously,
these are only related to local
[8:55] requirements and and those local
requirements that were in effect as of
[8:59] the date that the 40B application was
submitted.
[9:04] Um [clears throat] likewise within kind
of the introductory there you may see
[9:08] note one that's highlighted or bolded
rather. Um, basically that just
[9:13] highlights the provision of the uh 40B
regulations at 56057
[9:19] that when seeking waiverss, if there are
uh zoning bylaws that are um or or uh
[9:26] provisions within the zoning ordinance
that are
[9:31] by special permit, a waiver is
technically not sought. So within the
[9:35] waiver list, sometimes you'll see us
asking for something that requires a
[9:38] waiver because it's a special permit.
That's technically not required, but we
[9:43] just highlight that because within your
zoning ordinance, sometimes there's
[9:46] special permits that are granted by this
board and sometimes there are special
[9:50] permits that are granted by the planning
board.
[9:53] So, with that said, I'll launch in if
you want to turn to the next page. So,
[9:58] it's page two of the waiver list.
And what we're seeking um from the first
[10:05] the first requested waiver is under
article four, the street opening. um
[10:10] sections 191 uh 12 through 15.
And basically that provision just
[10:17] provides out a street street opening
permit um is to be issued by the DPW
[10:23] director to authorize extensions,
driveway access, utility connections
[10:28] subject to the standards and and
pavement moratoria um unless that's
[10:33] otherwise been waved. And this because
this is a 40B, this is more of an
[10:37] administrative waiver because this is a
comprehensive permit and the board, the
[10:42] zoning board issues all local approvals,
including those by the DPW. We've asked
[10:46] for that to be procedurally waved, the
comprehensive permit. It subsumes all
[10:51] your local permitting. Um, but just to
clarify, we're not seeking to um to wave
[10:57] the DPW standards. It's just that
process that there's a separate permit
[11:02] that's issued by the DPW director, him
or herself.
[11:07] So, if you have no questions on that,
I'll move on to our next waiver request.
[11:13] » Nope. Go right ahead.
>> Okay. Um,
[11:16] you someone jumped the gun there. So,
the So, the next one was actually Oh,
[11:20] sorry. It is there. It's the uh wetlands
protection bylaw. That waiver request
[11:25] has been withdrawn. So, since we were
last before the board, the uh the
[11:30] applicant has submitted a notice of
intent to the conservation commission um
[11:34] for jurisdictional work both under the
act and the bylaw. So, we're withdrawing
[11:39] that. So, that makes your job a little
easier on that one. And then on starting
[11:44] on page three,
we've requested a waiver under sections
[11:51] 242 and three. And basically that's the
provision that says that the building
[11:57] inspector
um has to certify that any buildings
[12:02] that are that are uh created um that
they comply with the applicable zoning.
[12:09] Obviously because this is a 40B it's
it's by nature it's in conflict with
[12:14] that because we're seeking waiverss and
we're and we're seeking to develop
[12:18] pursuant to chapter 40b. So the waiver
request is just that it um the inspector
[12:25] of buildings is to enforce the zoning
bylaws with the caveat that it's as
[12:30] modified by the waiverss approved by the
comprehens by the um by the board under
[12:35] the comprehensive permit. So it just
clarifies that
[12:41] um the following or the next waiver
request is under 240
[12:48] 15 uh 24022 and through 24027
and as I had previously suggested in the
[12:58] introductories there's that note that
under chapter 40B
[13:03] you don't need to seek a waiver or
something that's permitted by special
[13:06] permit. So this this waiver request is
really more of just a clarification
[13:11] that 40B waivers are not required for
uses or developments that's permitted
[13:16] subject to a special permit review
process. Essentially, it's because the
[13:19] zoning board of appeals is conducting
all review within the comprehensive
[13:23] permit review process itself.
From there we go on to the waiver
[13:30] request under 240 uh16 through 2421
uh development plan approval.
[13:39] Similarly, this is basically a
procedural waiver that uh
[13:45] under under those provisions of the
bylaw development proposal that are
[13:49] subject to a development plan approval
by the planning board. Um and again this
[13:54] is chapter 40B. It's a comprehensive
review conducted by the zoning board
[13:59] appeal. So more of a procedural waiver
there.
[14:03] Um from there it gets into the use
regulations
[14:09] within the uh within the zone by article
5 if you will and specifically 24031
[14:18] that's your uh use regulation schedule
for both principal and accessory uses.
[14:24] So the project is within the residential
district and within that per the bylaw
[14:30] there are only single family and two
family residential use is allowed other
[14:34] multif family is not allowed. So project
here is a multif family. It's 58 aid
[14:41] restricted rental units um together with
um one community building as an
[14:48] accessory structure. And then for
accessory uses to to the project we have
[14:53] surface parking, earth removal, the
common septic system related to
[14:58] pertinances, water, storm water,
landscaping, uh lighting and screening,
[15:02] signage. And so for that we requested a
waiver from 24031
[15:09] for the um principal and accessory uses
that are otherwise allowed within the
[15:14] residential district.
[15:19] Um
from there
[15:23] um moving from uh the intensity of use
regulations. So under article 7 of the
[15:32] ordinance, all buildings uh erected in
any district be located in a lot that
[15:37] has the minimum requirements under
24040.
[15:41] So if I this is somewhat of a two-step
here. So under 24040,
[15:46] that's your intensity.
The project does meet minimum lot size.
[15:52] um it does meet the minimum frontage,
the front yard setback, the rear yard
[15:58] setback, um and the sideyard setbacks as
it's currently designed. And we've we've
[16:03] provided you this red line so you can
see the adjustments that um were um have
[16:08] been made on the most relevant plans.
[clears throat]
[16:12] The um this somewhat plays in however
under our the following waiver request
[16:20] that we have under 24037
and that's that regulation pertains to
[16:25] the number of buildings that are
permitted on a lot. And so subp part A
[16:29] of 37 provides that not more than one
one single family or two family shall be
[16:35] erected on a lot. So, we've asked for a
waiver under 24037A
[16:39] to allow for the 10 multif family
buildings and the one accessory building
[16:43] all on the 5.2 acre lot. And then
secondly, subp part 37B
[16:51] provides that more than one principal
building um or use other than a single
[16:57] family or two family may be erected
provided that. And then it goes on to
[17:01] provide that um the lot and yard area
requirements are met for each building
[17:08] um and used without counting them
anytime twice. Um but there's no um
[17:15] increase in lots. So we've asked for a
waiver of that because what the proposal
[17:20] is to have the 10 buildings, 58 units,
and the one community building as
[17:25] located on the approved site plan. So if
one were to strictly seek compliance
[17:30] under 24037B,
you would have to go back to the um
[17:37] 24037A
with those setbacks for each to look at
[17:41] each of the buildings. So that's why
here we've requested waiverss for both
[17:45] of them. So when under
24040
[17:51] when you look at the setbacks from all
the buildings as a whole, no waiver is
[17:55] sought. However, if one interprets 240
37B to say that you have to look at each
[18:01] of the individual 10 buildings and the
community building, um it's not clear
[18:07] that we would meet each one of those
sideyard and front yard setbacks if you
[18:12] can't count them twice. Um does does
that make sense to the board?
[18:18] » Does to me. Yeah, I've read to all
these. So,
[18:20] » okay.
[18:24] Actually, before you go on,
>> yes.
[18:27] » Ask my board members. Have all you guys
read through all these waiverss? We had
[18:30] time to read through them all.
>> Yeah.
[18:34] » Okay. Do we have And yeah, I mean, just
be for a sense of time, too. Um, is
[18:39] anything sticking out that we need to
have before she goes through and kills
[18:44] herself reading 6,500 words? I mean, in
all fair, that's true. everyone. Is this
[18:51] something that's jumping that you want
explanation on for way? Because to me
[18:55] it's pretty been pretty standard.
>> I know
[19:02] I said yeah maybe just might miss my
understanding. Um
[19:08] um
real quick question on the um I guess
[19:13] the very first one. Um,
I'm just wondering how how is it like
[19:18] the same enforced if if we do a a waiver
on it.
[19:24] I mean, that's [clears throat]
pretty
[19:25] » for the 340-2 and 3
or for the street opening. Sorry for
[19:32] this
>> 12 through 15
[19:34] » uh 19112 and 19115
>> you will be issuing the permit with
[19:41] consultation from the DPW for the street
opening.
[19:45] » Okay. So since that come from DPW come
from us.
[19:48] » It'll come from us. Yeah. We'll probably
that's my understanding white out DPW
[19:52] and put ZBA on street street opening.
You know that's essentially you know
[19:56] what will happen.
>> Okay. But it still be be within the DPW.
[20:01] » Yeah. I used to build houses forced to
basically throw our waiver.
[20:05] » Yeah.
>> But you aren't going to be required to
[20:07] like go out there and you know no DPW
>> roadway stuff.
[20:13] » Oh, the new guy is going to have to
>> Yeah.
[20:17] [laughter]
>> I'm sorry if I go Brad.
[20:20] » Um
I have dug through these waves because
[20:24] we've had them for a couple days now.
Um, I don't think there's any one of
[20:29] them that's really jumping out and
saying, "Hey, what are you doing here?"
[20:32] They're pretty standard
comprehensive permanent wave. We all
[20:37] know what's going on in there.
Is the board okay with her not reading
[20:42] everyone or wanted to continue?
>> I I'm just looking at one of them. I'm
[20:47] just curious with earth removal just
because that has impacted traffic. Is
[20:52] there anything
>> that that's why I mean let's hit on the
[20:55] ones that
>> cuz I know Yeah. I don't know how much
[20:57] they're broken but I know in the past
sometimes like that we have
[21:02] » Would you mind hitting on and I don't
look for the number right now so bear
[21:05] with me.
>> So it's under article 17 the earth
[21:09] removal provisions.
>> Yeah.
[21:12] » Okay. So what Thank you. The applicant
here is seeking a waiver of the
[21:19] earth removal provisions from uh 240
subp parts 113 through 118.
[21:27] Um which which um subp part 114 speaks
to that there's a permit that's issued
[21:32] by the board of appeals and that it's
subject to a bond. And what we're
[21:37] requesting here is that the
comprehensive permit include a waiver of
[21:42] that and that the the specifics for the
earth removal. Um it within the subp
[21:48] parts there it talks about the plans
that would be submitted which I think
[21:51] that we've through the engineering
engineering plans have been submitted
[21:56] today and then obviously the final um
plans that will be part of the building
[22:01] permit application. It's going to have
you know that level of detail. Um what
[22:05] we've requested is that the earth
removal be um addressed through the
[22:12] detail that's going to be on the
building permit level plans um together
[22:16] with the submission of a construction
management plan. That typically happens
[22:20] prior to or as the applicant's preparing
to submit its building permit
[22:24] application. And then it'll be um you
know, I'm not quite certain how
[22:27] Bellingham likes to do this. If they
have a meeting with the building um
[22:32] inspector and then certain other people,
like a a pre-construction meeting, if
[22:36] you will, and they and the applicant
would submit a construction management
[22:40] plan, which would detail the earth
removal, um how much is going to be
[22:44] removed, the schedule for doing that,
and and and that level of detail. So,
[22:48] it's not it's not seeking to not provide
the information. What it's seeking is to
[22:55] um wave the separate permit um special
permit approval process and to provide
[23:02] um the detail as to the earth removal
within a construction management plan
[23:07] and to have that obviously be a
condition of the comprehensive permit.
[23:12] And um aside from that though, the
applicant is also seeking to have a
[23:17] waiver of the earth removal bond. Um
>> about in the past those conditions come
[23:25] through us.
>> That's what I was wondering. I know
[23:27] we've had ones before us for earth
removal.
[23:29] » I think it's a certain thresh threshold,
right?
[23:32] » Yeah,
>> it is.
[23:33] » The earth removal special permit. Okay.
>> Is through you guys.
[23:36] » Well, it had it has been in the past.
Yeah,
[23:38] » that's why I mean the project behind us
came to us.
[23:42] » Um
>> yeah, you are the special permit
[23:45] granting authority
>> over threshold of earth removal. I think
[23:49] it's a certain number.
>> I don't you know what that number is?
[23:51] » I I believe it's 2500.
Um I'm sorry I don't have the ordinance
[23:56] provision right in front of me and and I
believe that we are going to exceed that
[24:00] amount. Um the amount of um export is is
going to be greater than that from the
[24:06] site than the um than the that get you
below the threshold.
[24:12] » So you're looking for a waiver of that
special permit from us. Is that what
[24:17] you're asking for in this?
>> Correct. Correct. And what we're what
[24:21] we're requesting is that the board um
wave the the submission requirements for
[24:28] that wave wave that process if you will.
And um again to have the comp permit
[24:34] itself though be conditioned to include
a condition that construction management
[24:38] plan um that the applicant and its uh
contractor will will prepare that and
[24:44] submit it prior to issuance of building
permits. Um and and obviously that will
[24:48] include the earth removal schedule and
the earth removal details.
[24:55] » Maybe it's a question for uh Rachel. Do
you know with this then I guess maybe
[24:59] because before it has come before the
Ford. Yeah. Would this be something that
[25:04] um like uh your office and the building
inspector then would be involved with
[25:09] the earth removal plan?
>> Yes. Yeah. you guys are still quote
[25:16] unquote I mean it's not a special permit
that you're being issued but the
[25:20] requirements for the earth removal are
included in this which is this um what
[25:27] is it a construction management plan I
thought I had put it in here I didn't
[25:30] see that I put in the requirement of
submitting a construction management
[25:34] plan as a standard um condition
um
[25:41] does that answer or no I think I mean to
me I think as long as someone with um
[25:46] which I assume but like the building
inspectors
[25:49] » yeah I mean I think
>> part of the planning
[25:51] » that's coming before us because we we
don't want the land stripped
[25:55] » and we also want to manage the dump
trucks in and out
[25:58] » that's remember during school hours
traffic hours
[26:02] » which if that's something that can be
handled administratively
[26:06] I'm okay with it but
>> that's not something you don't want to
[26:09] handle administratively. It's one of the
things we do talk about when we have
[26:14] this pre-construction meeting is we talk
about okay when are you going to be
[26:17] starting oh okay it's during school then
you need to watch out for these are the
[26:21] school bus routes this is the timing you
know that kind of stuff there's a sort
[26:25] of like a checklist that we go through
that they'll provide um you know items
[26:28] on that so that
>> but I can yeah
[26:32] » that's me
>> I'm confused about the lawyer or
[26:39] um the
bond that normal.
[26:46] » So for earth removal projects, you
typically have a bond, you know, that's
[26:51] collected um for that. It's usually a B,
again coming from the community I came
[26:55] from, it was $5,000 base and then X
amount, you know, more over a certain um
[27:00] cubic of yards. and that would be held
in a bond that the town would hold until
[27:06] the project was completed or as it
progressed um moving forward. Um but if
[27:11] the question is is it normal to wave the
bond for a comprehensive permit?
[27:17] » Yes, I normal.
>> Yeah, they they can do that. Um
[27:21] » the last one we did, we we did not the
bond on it.
[27:25] » No metal. We did not
one on the other one yet. Actually, we
[27:30] did on the other one. going some so it's
at the discretion of the board I guess.
[27:34] Okay. Cuz I know the bond I guess is
good at insurance but um if it's a I
[27:39] mean a good
um applicant.
[27:43] » The other ones I think we held the bond
on because um the anticipation was the
[27:48] town was going to take the road and we
held the bond until the town was down.
[27:53] » Yeah. And um you know like on the Curtis
one that one had like a a sewer line
[27:59] that was going through that the town is
going to be taking you know that um
[28:02] infrastructure over. So that I can
understand. Um this is a private septic
[28:06] roadways are going to be private
>> um you know we do have something in here
[28:10] about um holding a $3,000 just sort of
>> Yeah. Okay. Um you know for that the
[28:17] neighbors water line again just in case
we you know find something that happens.
[28:22] Uh
so
[28:26] you know
[28:30] » any other questions on the waves of
assessment
[28:35] I just got to save from
[28:40] is there reason I guess the the title
five restrictions regulations they
[28:44] originally were seeking a waiver but
then decided not to. I mean, I guess
[28:49] that falls with that, but in a way, I
guess it's
[28:53] » just the local ricks. They can't wave
the state rerecks. They can just ask to
[28:57] wave our local rags.
>> Okay. But didn't land better than what
[29:01] it was anticipated to as well. I
>> think so. I would have to ask the
[29:05] engineer about that one.
>> Yes, it was a good park. Less than two
[29:07] minutes and groundwater was pretty deep.
So, there was no there's no issue that
[29:12] the land can support uh a shared system
there. And you if you do remember they
[29:17] are they're designing the system not at
the reduced rate of what seniors
[29:23] typically um produce what the design
rate is for that they're producing it at
[29:27] a larger you know adult regular people
>> I don't know what you
[29:33] » nonen
that's above the minimum kind of like or
[29:38] it's like a higher
>> correct yeah it's higher yes this is it
[29:41] you know it's design the rate that
they're designing their septic at is a
[29:46] you know for larger um size so it'll be
able to handle whatever you can throw at
[29:51] it. [laughter]
[29:54] » Sorry bar here designed it age
restricted.
[29:58] » Yes. Thank you. [laughter]
[30:01] » All right. So is is the board okay
moving off of the way it was at this
[30:06] point
so we keep rolling
[30:11] this? Yeah.
>> Yeah. James. Okay.
[30:15] What else we here for tonight? I've got
my own questions for you. So,
[30:20] » um, no, I that's Thank you, Stephanie. I
If you want to stick around or go,
[30:26] whatever, it's up to you. Um,
>> well, if the board was going to discuss
[30:29] the decision.
>> Yes. Yeah. So, yeah.
[30:32] » No, happy to stay on.
>> Uh, great. I would say the only other
[30:36] update is we have our first Concom next
week. Um, so that that was kind of all I
[30:43] had. Um, if you have any questions, we
have Peter here, uh, as well. So, you
[30:47] know, happy to answer though.
>> Traffic just came in today traffic. So,
[30:52] we're not going to lower traffic. Is
that correct?
[30:55] » Correct. I mean, I can re I was just
going to bring that up.
[30:58] » If there's one comment, unless it's
something crazy, we I, you know, an
[31:03] intro on the fly. um traffic.
>> It seemed like the traffic, you know,
[31:10] agrees with our findings uh as well as
uh you know, the parking I know which
[31:16] was an issue. Um we have a lot of
parking also which is good.
[31:20] » Um
>> as far as the um sidewalks and 88 flying
[31:26] wheelchair ramp stuff that it's all in
the new plans.
[31:30] » Yeah.
>> Yes.
[31:31] » Yep.
So it was um comment 10 um which just
[31:37] talks about the striping. So I will
share that
[31:46] pavement markings.
[31:57] » It'll provide your striping gland.
>> Okay. stripe and glam including stop
[32:02] sign. Do we have a stop sign on?
>> No.
[32:05] » All right. So, I had a stop sign.
>> It's just a free-for-all.
[32:09] » Actually, that's been in all along. Had
a stop sign there.
[32:12] » Yep.
>> At the exit.
[32:14] » Yep.
>> Stop sign.
[32:17] » Yep. We can we'll make sure to include
that uh next time. That's not issue.
[32:23] » Yeah, that was the only comment. The
rest of um the rest of them all have all
[32:27] been resolved.
>> Yep. So, and if I may chime in even, it
[32:32] may even just be easier to have that as
a condition of approval that the the
[32:37] final plans that get submitted have that
striping on there.
[32:41] » Whatever the board's preference is on
that
[32:45] » plans um
[32:51] stop sign.
[32:55] Um,
this may be, and I know we've got a
[32:59] couple lawyers here, so
um, and I brought this up for Rachel
[33:04] earlier today.
Everything says townhouse on it.
[33:10] » Are we
I I just The special permit says
[33:14] townhouse. Your project says townhouse.
Is that technically town houses, per se?
[33:19] Is that going to be an issue with state
funding?
[33:24] No, I mean it's kind of the name we've
gone off of, you know, I don't it
[33:29] doesn't classification when it comes and
please Stephanie cut me off if I'm being
[33:34] incorrect here, but it's just a name
we've been using just because in our we
[33:39] feel that they are like these are
attached kind of town homes. That's the
[33:43] name of the project. Um it may change.
I'm sure we'll pick another name when it
[33:48] like it's all said and done. That's just
been kind of how we've referred to it
[33:51] internally.
>> I don't think it means anything to us as
[33:53] a board or a town. The name um just
legally with the state found for party B
[33:59] where it's not called a townhouse.
>> Yeah.
[34:01] » I just thought
>> Yeah. When we had to fill up the app you
[34:05] don't have a townhouse as an option.
It's kind of like rentals, condos, uh
[34:09] subdivision. So, uh I don't believe I
didn't have to is Yeah, it won't affect
[34:16] anything.
Um, the other question I have, and I'm
[34:19] pretty sure the rest of the board
members
[34:22] hopefully remember being a water man.
>> Yep.
[34:25] » Um, there could very well be a water
water team going through that property.
[34:31] » Yes. So, which we have looked into. Um,
you know, we reached out to DBW. DBW's
[34:37] answer to us was kind of the same as
we're not sure. So, um, we we have a
[34:42] something in there in escrow. Um, if we
were to hit the water man and and not I
[34:48] mean what we would do is obviously like
go into action and figure out how to
[34:52] like kind of move it on the either on
the property um to where it's no longer
[34:56] going to you know
>> number 16.
[34:59] » Yes,
>> it is. Um and and I just I didn't find
[35:02] that strong enough. We'll be honest with
you.
[35:05] » And and my and I'll tell you what my
concern is.
[35:07] » Yep. Um, all well and good. We'll put a
blind up and x amount of dollars for the
[35:13] town to repair it or move it. But if
that water m is hit at 4:30 on a Friday
[35:19] afternoon,
>> um, I want wording in the decision that
[35:24] it gets temporary, something happens.
>> So, the other residents aren't without
[35:30] water until someone gets around to it on
Monday at noon time.
[35:33] » Let me see. I just again I I drop check
the residents too.
[35:38] » Yeah. No,
>> not that I'm saying your food is just
[35:40] going to walk away.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[35:43] » Why?
>> No, I got to take care of that.
[35:46] » Yep. I understand. That's that's
completely
[35:48] » Is that too much to put in there,
Rachel? Or
[35:52] » Oh, might have something.
>> No, I think that's we can we can um find
[35:58] something that's a little bit stronger.
Yeah,
[36:01] » on that. Yeah,
>> I said the concern that you know bulk of
[36:05] the guys are gone. It's 4:30 and one
last guy hits it and like oh well it's
[36:10] » Yeah,
>> we'll deal with it Monday. It's not fair
[36:11] to the residents.
>> Yeah, the timing too because it's with
[36:15] the septic.
>> Maybe we want to try and do that like
[36:19] ahead of time.
>> Yeah, we we'll get you know we will do
[36:23] what we can to try to like see ahead of
time or like be very careful in that
[36:27] area. Um our our hope is if it is there
we won't hit it. We we'll we'll like
[36:32] we'll find it and be like okay how are
we going to you know adjust this on the
[36:36] fly. So
>> it's not going to be taped. It's not
[36:39] going to be macked.
>> It happened a few years ago. So
[36:43] » no it does. We just we run a project
this week over in Upton and there was
[36:48] like a Phantom gas line from the 60s
that just showed up and so everyone's
[36:52] like all right stop. And we can see it
decaying even though it's decaying.
[36:56] We're like, we still got to stop and
figure out what this is. So,
[36:59] » I just want to make sure that people
that connected to that water man don't
[37:02] go without water because
>> yep,
[37:04] » we're waiting for the time, wait for
this or that. Just need a regret.
[37:08] » Absolutely. We can definitely work on
some uh language that would hold us to a
[37:12] timely response or we're definitely not
opposed to that. I can help out. Um
[37:18] before I open up to everyone else, the
other thing that I did have and I don't
[37:22] see it in our decision,
um [clears throat]
[37:27] the land clearing starting to land
cleared where everything's in place with
[37:31] the state.
>> Okay.
[37:33] » We have had other projects in the town.
>> Mhm.
[37:36] » That have been and again not saying you
guys are do this, but they've been land
[37:40] cleared,
went into appeal, went into court, they
[37:43] no longer have the funds to do it, and
now we got a vacant property. So no land
[37:48] clearing.
>> So everything is done new. The last one
[37:51] that we did with Sanka Meadow, we held
them to after no land clearing.
[37:55] » Okay.
>> And I'm glad we did because the
[37:56] project's not going forward.
>> Well, it's it is it's Yeah, it is.
[38:00] » It might eventually, but it's been
years.
[38:02] » Yes. Yeah.
>> Um no land um clearing
[38:06] » till everything is ready.
>> Yeah. The issuance of um state
[38:14] » the state held that one up.
>> Yeah.
[38:19] We could do I'm just trying to think of
of of where would make sense to
[38:23] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> We could do
[38:24] » Stephanie also you can chime in too if
you have any word smithing.
[38:30] » Yeah. So,
you know, I think the the one concern is
[38:34] that you don't want to make it such that
you can do no prep work before building
[38:38] permits. Um and and I think that the
draft decision currently has it written
[38:42] that
um you're to have uh your final approval
[38:47] from um the EOHLC before
building permits. Um
[38:56] » we could do so when we apply to the
state usually means like financing is
[39:00] ready, we're ready to go. Um would it
maybe be on once we apply for a final
[39:06] approval from the state then we can
start just because I know the
[39:09] construction guys were in here they
would be chewing my ear off saying like
[39:12] we want us we want to get the site ready
you know just in case you know we're up
[39:17] against time up against the elements the
time of year you know I think at that
[39:21] point when we apply to the state that
means like everyone's kind of ready
[39:25] we're putting in money to the state
we're getting our approvals and we'd be
[39:28] a you know max a month or two out from
like BGO kind of construction there
[39:35] » if we hold true to what we've done in
the past. No. And again, I'm just one
[39:40] person in the board members, but um when
Suna was in front of us, we we had the
[39:46] same thing. And it was one something
with state kicked it back and
[39:51] they never broke ground.
Again, that's just my opinion.
[39:57] » No, I've seen it before. uh for the
sunken meadow uh was no grading, land
[40:02] disturbance, issuance of any building
permit or construction of any structure
[40:06] or infrastructure shall commence until
the project receives final approval from
[40:10] the subsidizing agency and evidence of
said approval is provided to the ZBA.
[40:17] That was the wording from sunken meadow.
So when they got their final approval,
[40:23] how do we
>> from the subsidizing agency
[40:28] » and Okay.
>> And the reason why I bring it up and the
[40:33] vote is is held other people do it. Um
we've got many lots in this town that
[40:38] have been cleared.
>> Mhm.
[40:40] » And then they just sit. I I can think of
three right now that are cleared and
[40:45] nothing ever get built on them.
We just we just don't want that in the
[40:50] town. I'm just and this is a great
project we're work you guys have been
[40:53] great working with us but there are
things we just got to protect our
[40:56] residents with too
>> I guess and I I completely understand
[41:00] and you know I don't the last thing I
ever want to do is like just ugly empty
[41:03] lots around town I guess the only other
thing we've done in the past is we kind
[41:07] of put a no cut line so you know I don't
know if it would ever made sense I mean
[41:12] we came back with the construction team
says this is where we would want to like
[41:15] move early if we could and then would
you know preserve most of the site If
[41:20] something were to happen where then we
stop like then it's you know that's the
[41:23] only only compromise. You know what I'm
talking about Peter?
[41:27] » Yeah. Like a a staging area.
>> Yeah. Some some kind of staging area
[41:32] where we could circle on the plan saying
we will disturb like you know this area
[41:37] and we can come back to you know sounds
like might have one more you know. But
[41:42] so that that's just one idea.
So when would you be submitting this to
[41:48] because you still have to do revised
plans.
[41:51] » Yep. Um
we'll have one more you know look for
[41:55] the Beals and Thomas. Again I think
that's a condition what we've done
[41:59] before at least we've had it in planning
board decisions you know prior to
[42:03] building permit final plans with X Y and
Z type of a thing. Um and any
[42:08] outstanding items from peer review be
wrapped up. um which again there was
[42:12] maybe less than a handful of those um
items. Um and then once you get that and
[42:19] you submit it to EOHLC, how long is like
what's that timeline anyway?
[42:24] » My experience it's
>> for them to get back to you
[42:26] » if and Stephanie if you know maybe you
know about I believe it's about two
[42:30] months.
So it it it varies and and I'm not quite
[42:35] certain what the standard is right now
um only because the um the woman who had
[42:40] been kind of the head of the LIP program
at EOHLC,
[42:44] she left about two months ago. Um and my
last final approval I did for a lip
[42:50] project took a little longer than
expected. Um but you know it used to be
[42:56] sometimes you could almost get a
turnaround in three weeks. Um, so I
[43:00] think that, you know, two months
probably if if if everything is there
[43:06] for them and you keep kind of like
following up saying, "Do you have any
[43:09] questions? Is there anything we can do?"
You know, just kind of the attorneys
[43:12] being an annoyance. Um, you know, I
think a two-month is isn't a reasonable
[43:17] time frame.
Um and and just for the board's
[43:20] edification, you you probably know this,
but as the applicant is preparing its
[43:24] application, there would be notice to
the town because the applicant's going
[43:31] to go back to the select board and ask
for um their letter of support that they
[43:35] need as part of that final approval
application.
[43:39] Um and and pretty much once that is
requested, the the applicant's pretty
[43:45] much on the heels of making the
submission of to the state for final
[43:48] approval.
>> So how long for your gifts made to the
[43:53] state?
[43:56] » That I do not know. It depends on
construction timelines, financing, um
[44:03] you know, may apply for some possible
grants. So that I don't know, but we
[44:08] wouldn't clear it if there's a a you
know four, five, six months gap in
[44:12] between us applying to state and the end
of these hearings. So
[44:26] » how do I feel about the staging?
>> If I could even propose an interim um
[44:32] time frame um when the as part of the
final approval application process, the
[44:37] applicant has to prepare an affirmative
fair housing and marketing plan that
[44:41] gets submitted to EOHLC as well. um kind
of different parts of ELA, EOA, EO LHC,
[44:48] review those um the the final approval
application and then the U marketing
[44:53] plan. But it's it's it's a good
indicator that the applicant is getting
[44:59] close to doing final approval if they've
already submitted um the uh the fair
[45:05] housing and marketing plan to get that
um because that that's a big that that's
[45:09] kind of a a time suck um at HLC.
[45:21] I thought so.
>> I mean, I Yeah, I get where you're
[45:24] coming from trying to mitigate potential
risk from there. Yeah. Being this gap in
[45:33] » final approval
>> just got burned the past two years with
[45:36] this.
>> Yes.
[45:38] And
>> we hel we held our standard and it was a
[45:41] good thing we did.
[45:48] I agree with you. I mean, I think it's
Yeah, I think the um it's just that
[45:55] concern that they might that he's at
previous projects that their crews are
[46:01] slow, so they just send them they clear
the site.
[46:04] » They're waiting for
>> Yeah.
[46:06] » Nothing happens.
>> Yeah.
[46:08] » Yeah. It's been a volatile timing in
development. There's a lot of projects
[46:12] on the sidelines right now waiting for
rates to get better and other things
[46:15] which
>> exactly.
[46:17] » So I I I I completely understand. I'm
just trying to think if there's any
[46:20] » and I and I don't want to hold up uh you
know I'm sure in your mind you have a
[46:26] construction cycle that you know we're
applying by this date of November 1st
[46:30] and I we got our guys coming in and you
know
[46:33] » yeah you can usually get like a good
amount of work done before building
[46:38] permits are pulled. I guess the only
other thing and Is there a possibility
[46:41] of like an escrow for this like where
it's if we don't you know we apply and
[46:46] we don't you know pull a building permit
within a four or five months maybe we're
[46:53] stretching here just
>> yeah I mean those because you're you're
[46:55] going to not those trees aren't going to
grow back
[47:00] » yeah and the poison ivy you know um
>> can't blame the dollar bills so that's
[47:03] true
>> but I think like you said past projects
[47:07] though that's happened that neighbors
get like dust control issues
[47:12] » and then the project just sits because
funding something happened with funding
[47:16] the state kicks back something
>> I mean
[47:19] » so even if it was like I mean you're
obviously a uh you know it's a a good
[47:23] kind of working relationship even with
best intentions sometimes things can
[47:28] happen
>> another pandemic could slow shut
[47:31] everything down you know that doesn't
happen but no I I get completely
[47:35] understand the board's concern
especially if it's been an issue
[47:39] recently it
Yeah.
[47:44] » Staging area. Uh if you just want to
make sure I completely understand
[47:49] what size [clears throat] of the staging
room is that just kind of basically
[47:53] where the house and I guess there's some
kind of garage there. Um because right
[47:58] now they're just like aren't they just
uh abandoned? Is that right?
[48:02] » Yes. Yeah. Right. That is because we
would probably want we demo that. Um I I
[48:07] honestly I'd have to ask the
construction team more of like what they
[48:10] would need uh given the site and what a
staging area would
[48:15] » if you're when you're clearing I mean is
it something that it's it only makes
[48:18] sense if you're clearing a substantial
amount of the lot
[48:21] » generally. Yes.
>> But there's not anything like you could
[48:23] do like this is a little area to clear.
>> Yeah.
[48:26] » Kind of get the roads and everything.
Okay. clearing is relatively quick, but
[48:29] then the the longer is moving there and
cutting and billing and getting
[48:33] » and I mean the way that the last
decision was written is the the decision
[48:38] was approved.
>> Mhm.
[48:40] » But there was the I'm not sure the word
I'm looking for
[48:45] » um that they couldn't do anything till
they were fully funded by the state.
[48:50] Yeah, I did.
>> It wasn't affecting, you know, the the
[48:54] potential of the board approving or
denying the decision for it. It's just
[48:59] » that was one of the conditions that they
had.
[49:01] » One of the conditions
>> and I checked back on another um
[49:04] decision and you also had it in that one
too. Taft estates.
[49:08] » Yeah, I don't remember that one.
>> Oh, I remember.
[49:14] » I've only been here four months.
[laughter]
[49:17] Um yeah, that's just something that
hasn't been that thought came my mind
[49:21] about a week or so ago. We haven't
discussed it as um that has been
[49:27] outstanded. So
>> Okay. All right. Yeah. If it's a
[49:30] condition that's you know appeared in
the other I understand why it's in
[49:33] there, you know, we could work around
that. So
[49:36] » um
anyone else have anything for those in
[49:39] the public
questions?
[49:43] Yeah.
>> Anyone in the public comments,
[49:47] questions?
>> If I passed our concerns, correct? We're
[49:52] » not far past anything.
>> No.
[49:53] » Name and address if you don't mind.
>> Gary Bubble with 18 Judy Lane.
[49:57] » Okay.
>> Still have concerns on on a few things.
[50:00] Um,
[50:04] people must both come to my place and
take a look at what I'm going to lose
[50:06] and what I'm going to what's going to be
altered and changed for me. That never
[50:10] happened. I know he's looking to put in
a tree line. He says my elevation is 12
[50:14] feet to my grass. 6 feet to my deck. I'm
6 foot person. That's another 12 ft. You
[50:20] okay this tree line to be maintained at
12 to 14 ft. You didn't ask put it up on
[50:24] an earthworm. U it's going to take years
for them to grow for us to gain privacy
[50:29] back again. Um the statement was made
from Mr. Lois in the last meeting that
[50:35] 126 is a state road. It is not a state
road that is owned by the town,
[50:40] maintained by the town. He said he
couldn't put up lights there because it
[50:44] was a state road. That is false. It
becomes state at the highway, the
[50:48] on-ramps and the offramps.
Um,
[50:53] anybody think about where they're going
to get two and a half million gallons of
[50:56] water extra year for this development?
We got a 300 a unit at the golf course.
[51:02] We got Blackstone Street. We got Paduzi
doing North Street. in this development.
[51:08] We got warehouses that are empty that
aren't filled and as soon as they are
[51:11] filled, they're going to start drawing
one or two. Is that was that a concern
[51:16] throughout this at all?
>> I think that has come up one bit.
[51:20] » Oh, did is that something you address
conservation or
[51:26] » the water usage? [clears throat]
I one thing um
[51:30] » DPW has a requirement where all new
projects have their um hydrarology run
[51:35] through a hydrarology model. We have a
hydraology model to sort of see how it's
[51:41] going to affect um their system and then
they'll have to you know pay to upgrades
[51:47] um to it. warehouses um and historically
just don't draw that much water and so
[51:51] DPW actually at least again in my past
experience they liked it because it
[51:56] didn't draw a lot of water warehouse
properties but
[51:59] » so it's something that they have to deal
with DPW
[52:02] » a lot of DBW was in the tech review
meeting so they're aware of of kind of
[52:07] the project and and you know the amount
of units we're proposing so and they you
[52:11] know I think every department came up
with concerns you know water usage
[52:15] wasn't one of them Um, so I would also
say uh 126 is a state uh state road is
[52:24] way way I'm looking at it. Although
routes are all while they're not like
[52:27] the the highways uh and I apologize I
use the term highway the routes those
[52:31] routes are owned by the state and under
mascots's uh jurisdiction
[52:37] » the state highway layout um website.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it has a root number and
[52:41] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> Actually, it's just Google, but it is a
[52:45] state road.
um civic maintenance responsibilities
[52:49] sometimes involve local towns
acceptance.
[52:55] Yeah, that's that's something it
happened I think in like the 90s where
[52:59] towns were offered to you know have
increase in their chapter 90 funding to
[53:05] sort of take over maintenance of those
roadways so they wouldn't have to be on
[53:09] the tip you know for any improvements
um because but it's DOT still owns those
[53:16] roads we have again in the community
surrounding my last community they
[53:20] decided to do that we didn't and it took
forever to get any roadway improvements
[53:24] because it had to go through the state
and prove
[53:27] » did the intersection of 140 and Maple
Street. The state did all that.
[53:32] » Yeah.
>> I have
[53:35] » Yep. Go ahead.
>> Off the site, it said on route 126 and
[53:37] no mass the portion known as North Main
Street is entirely town owned and
[53:41] maintained rather than stateowned. Even
though the route 126 is designated state
[53:46] route, Massachusetts Department of
Transportation and the Mass GIS
[53:49] administrative road records clarify
North Main Street as a town accepted
[53:53] roadway. The town of Bellingham holds a
legal jurisdiction and layout rights
[53:57] over it.
[54:02] » Okay.
>> I think the only question that came up
[54:06] on that is were we going to ask them to
put a traffic light up there,
[54:10] » which is why you sent the traffic it up
for traffic review.
[54:12] » What's traffic review?
>> That just came in today. Okay.
[54:17] » Well, the second review came in. You've
already already had the first review
[54:21] done.
[54:26] Um,
this project couldn't happen without
[54:29] portb and a border selectman granted it.
And you don't have to allow it to this
[54:36] size. You can shrink it down on density.
You can shrink this down. Um,
[54:44] I'm not thrilled that 40B is coming in
behind my home value, property value.
[54:50] Um, I'm concerned.
I'm concerned. I'm going to see and hear
[54:54] these people behind me. It's It's close
to my property.
[54:59] I ask that you ask them to put their
trees, maintain a 20ft height,
[55:05] put it up on an earth burn, do
something, make a concession so that
[55:08] what they're taking away, I don't have
to endure with what they're putting in.
[55:17] » What number you rely on?
>> 18.
[55:18] » 18. Good.
[55:22] » I would uh I you know we do have a clear
cut line there and I know there's the I
[55:27] believe on the landscaping plan we do
have the uh app with the green what's
[55:32] the technical term
>> green
[55:33] » green giants
>> we have the green giants which you know
[55:37] are some of the they're deer resistant
uh you know grow at a relatively solid
[55:42] pace and uh do you know behind them when
they're first put in six to seven feet
[55:46] » six to seven feet and they you know
I can get a box before those get to a
[55:52] height for privacy.
[55:59] » We did walk the site, by the way.
>> I I I know you did. Yep. Absolutely.
[56:04] And your thoughts on that? What the
people were going to lose and the
[56:07] puffers? Quite a bit.
Quite a bit. I invite you to come out to
[56:14] my property and take a look.
[56:19] Mr. Massi was supposed to come out, but
that never happened either.
[56:24] » The other thing to know about the fact
the elevation it does like it kind of go
[56:28] it goes up as well. Um, so you know, I
do think the most affected neighbor
[56:34] would be the one directly to the left of
us. So, you know, between the no cut
[56:39] zone, the, you know, a lot of
landscaping and keeping in mind the
[56:43] rating plan was picked with great care,
you know, we're doing everything we, you
[56:48] know, we we we can to prevent any kind
of disturbance to the back when it comes
[56:53] to the visualization. Um, and keeping in
mind too, these are one story, you know,
[56:59] units. It's it's most multif family and
and probably the most cost effective way
[57:05] is one building three or four stories
tall. So even next door on depot court
[57:12] those are twotory uh buildings. So will
be shorter than those.
[57:17] » So so behind something like uh um 18
what's the cut line then? The no cut
[57:23] line. Sorry.
So I want to say it's like so that area.
[57:29] Can you go back to the grading plan?
So he's at 18. So those contours are two
[57:35] foot contours as you look. So So it's
two 46. There's a 8ft difference there.
[57:42] 10 foot difference cuz that's 266. So
that's 276 in his backyard and all the
[57:48] way down is 266. See how that is kind of
highlighted? That area right there is
[57:53] like 42 feet from the tree line. The
widest part is 42 and the lowest part is
[57:59] like 25 where that recharge area is. And
that's a cut. And like like David had
[58:04] said, those structures are only one and
a half story. So I mean how I mean I
[58:10] don't know how high that would be, but
30 ft.
[58:15] » So it's actually we had that dimension.
>> We had that dimension on one of the
[58:20] plans.
I don't think
[58:22] » well what the height of those are, but
they're only one and a half stories, you
[58:26] know, so they're they're not as tall as
uh even a regular house.
[58:31] » As tall as a house would be as tall as a
house.
[58:40] » But that area right behind 18, that's
like 42 42 feet wide. And those trees
[58:44] are going to stay. And they're all big
trees. They're all tall.
[58:47] » Yeah, you have them all locked.
>> [clears throat]
[58:50] » And we try I tried to kick that area as
far. I had to do a cut though. So that's
[58:56] why because the unit above that there's
a big cut to get that lower. So that you
[59:01] know so we're trying to put we're trying
to put those units on the high side
[59:05] lower down into the ground. So you're
just looking you're not looking at a
[59:09] structure. You're looking at the top of
the growth
[59:13] that
21.
[59:17] So those units are only 21 from finish
grade to the top of the roof. They're
[59:23] only 21 feet 4 in. And that's why we
kind of sunk sunk them down in the
[59:29] ground.
I mean, and like I said, I I pushed all
[59:34] that grading, but I need to get any
runoff around the buildings and into the
[59:40] drainage system. So that's why it's kind
of a little bit wider there because
[59:45] it's, you know, where the backyard is
flat and it's basically the same
[59:50] elevation as the unit and we're trying
to get it around that unit right there.
[59:57] But it's it's probably the that area
behind
[1:00:01] 18 is probably the widest buffer
throughout that whole back area there. I
[1:00:08] mean just in that one up up in that
upper corner too, but that it's only
[1:00:12] right in the middle between you know 18
and that other one that it's where it's
[1:00:18] narrow
[1:00:21] and that was the intent you know to sink
the structures down so it wouldn't
[1:00:26] affect the neighbors.
[1:00:30] » Anything else?
[1:00:33] » Yeah, awesome thought. Um, you walked
the property, you said, you saw the
[1:00:40] ribbons. I can see them out my kitchen
window how close that cut line's going
[1:00:43] to be. I'm sure when you walk it, you
saw my whole backyard or right from
[1:00:47] where the ribbons were, it's going to be
completely over. Uh, what waiting for
[1:00:52] sixoot trees to grow is just not ideal.
And then to be maintained at 12 to 14
[1:00:57] feet, it might be great for them not to
look up, but me looking down, it's not
[1:01:02] so great.
Um,
[1:01:10] I guess that's about it.
>> Anyone else?
[1:01:15] » Quick question on the um
>> neighbor depot. I'm sorry.
[1:01:19] » That's right.
>> Yeah, Vader. Um, so if you looked at the
[1:01:23] property, they had they had put the
fence and the green giant you said upy I
[1:01:29] believe. Mhm.
>> Um and at one point the last meeting I
[1:01:32] think they moved the access road
um along that property line.
[1:01:37] » Yep.
>> Um and it was also mentioned that the
[1:01:40] fence would be on
erected on uh our
[1:01:44] » on your side. Is there enough room? I
mean the green giants grow from what I
[1:01:48] understand pretty good. There's enough
room between the fence and that
[1:01:53] uh I'm sure you should know, but it
seems like uh
[1:01:59] there's not much room for them to
[1:02:05] blow it up.
>> Yeah, the access road in the and the
[1:02:08] trees in the fence. It doesn't seem like
the maybe I'm just looking at them
[1:02:12] wrong. Now, so those circles that you
that I showed on the plant, that's
[1:02:17] roughly a a 10-ft diameter.
[1:02:21] So that I mean that's not how they're
going to be when they're first planted.
[1:02:25] They're going to be able to grow wider,
but they would have to on on this side.
[1:02:31] They would have to be maintained and
trimmed. They're going to have to do
[1:02:34] some kind of trimming.
>> Yeah, I was as all all our landscaping
[1:02:37] that we're proposing would be
maintained. So yeah, I guess there is
[1:02:41] enough room. Uh obviously we would make
sure that the they don't get too big on
[1:02:46] our side uh where it would affect the
fire lane going in. So
[1:02:50] » and the access drive was was part of the
fire the meeting with the fire chief.
[1:02:55] » Yes.
>> So that's how that access drive was.
[1:02:58] » Yeah. That's I love that. Thank you. But
um I'm just curious looks like the fence
[1:03:04] line still right on the property line.
It was agreed, I guess, to bring it in
[1:03:07] onto your side of it and then then the
trees come in too. I'm assuming
[1:03:12] » on our side. Yeah, the trees would be on
our side so we can obviously maintain
[1:03:16] them. Uh I mean that's it's just on the
property line right now or just as
[1:03:21] designed. I think maybe a good idea is
we put in the conditions, you know, that
[1:03:25] the fence would be uh on our side and
maintained um you know, in forever. So
[1:03:31] that that could be a good way just to
make sure that there's, you know, no
[1:03:34] funny business 50 years.
>> That's that's that's good. Also, you
[1:03:38] brought up point of trimming these
bushes. I mean,
[1:03:42] thank you. Because they're going to be
trim on both sides, so they don't knock
[1:03:47] the fence over and wind up in this
gentleman's backyard, too. So,
[1:03:50] » what's the distance between the property
line and the edge of that fire lane?
[1:03:55] » At the closest point, it's probably uh I
would say it looks like it's eight feet.
[1:03:59] Okay. Up near the corner. I mean I mean
I could try to adjust that access right
[1:04:04] and push it down a little further
>> or I mean there are problem
[1:04:07] » but I am in the process
>> there are pro yeah there there might be
[1:04:10] other species of
>> yeah those are just good because the
[1:04:14] deer don't
>> they don't well but of arborite that
[1:04:19] might be a little bit thinner still tall
um you might have to plant them a little
[1:04:23] bit but so that way they don't get
they're not as bushy out
[1:04:26] » okay
>> so they might be like a you know an
[1:04:29] eight foot diameter at mature size.
>> Yeah, we can I can
[1:04:34] » but again I mean you can also just trim
them.
[1:04:37] » Yeah. Yeah. Let me let me talk to my
landscaper now between the next meeting
[1:04:41] and just see his thoughts and whether he
thinks you know if he has a better
[1:04:44] suggestion or you know saying kind of
what what you know how those would be
[1:04:49] maintained and we can definitely put
that in the order of conditions.
[1:04:55] I could there was also talk of a walking
trail between Depot court and this place
[1:05:00] of residency. Um the last thing you want
is people walking around your your
[1:05:06] property even though it's not on your
property, you know, from place to place.
[1:05:11] I think there's plenty of room. You put
sidewalks in for them to go for common.
[1:05:14] I think the walking trail between both
places to me is a bad idea.
[1:05:18] » Yeah. It's actually not on the plans
right now.
[1:05:20] » Yeah. No, but for
>> it was just the sidewalk. Just the
[1:05:23] sidewalk was
>> just the sidewalk going up on Depot
[1:05:27] Street.
>> That's it. But yeah, the first party
[1:05:29] mentioned
>> it was it was mentioned in an earlier
[1:05:32] meeting.
>> Um yeah, it truly was.
[1:05:35] » Yeah, there's someone I don't know if it
could have been me. It was throw out an
[1:05:39] idea at some point of of that
possibility, but I think what we landed
[1:05:42] on is we're extending our sidewalk and
uh Depot Court's sidewalk. So they're
[1:05:47] connected. Depot Port right now has a
sidewalk that goes to the road. So,
[1:05:51] we're gonna give it a location hopefully
over to where we are.
[1:05:55] » It goes to the road. It connects to the
the block up there.
[1:05:58] » Yeah. But I think it's like they don't
have the sidewalk kind of like here. So,
[1:06:01] it just kind of goes there and then
their driveway. So, it's you know that
[1:06:04] way the we'll probably connect down to
that. So, um and then then it connects
[1:06:09] the park. So,
all right. Any questions, comments from
[1:06:15] board members?
[1:06:19] I mean, I think it seems like that that
gun has shown good faith to try to work
[1:06:24] with the buffer as as uh well as can be
expected. there's a big elevation change
[1:06:30] and I think that
they've massaged and moved around the
[1:06:35] buildings and I think um it seems
reasonable for a close design to me.
[1:06:46] Um Rachel, what are our next steps for
this? Um I don't know if you and again
[1:06:52] just because it seemed that a couple
times somebody was making a motion to do
[1:06:56] a decision. So I was like we can just
we'll do a decision to you know we can
[1:07:01] walk through it um on the conditions
um if you want to try and go through
[1:07:07] those tonight um and do a vote approve
or deny. Um
[1:07:15] » okay
>> we can do that. Again I just following
[1:07:18] the conversation. I think I only missed
one meeting. Um so, but I did have
[1:07:23] meeting minutes. Watch the recording of
it. Um
[1:07:26] » because currently we're still open.
Meetings still currently be open.
[1:07:29] » Yes. Yeah, your public hearing is open.
Um still
[1:07:33] um if there's any information that you
need. I think again there's there's
[1:07:38] minor things with the um peer review
that need to be wrapped up which again
[1:07:42] we can condition that as uh prior to
building permit. Um, also adding in that
[1:07:47] condition um, from what you've done
before on the land clearing as well,
[1:07:52] » the condition on the water man
>> on the water man. We're going to
[1:07:54] strengthen that a little bit um, on
that. I I can word smith something on
[1:07:59] that one too. Um,
[1:08:04] and then the
fence um, I'm going to say set one foot
[1:08:08] onto um, 46 depot inside of that um,
property line. Um, that's similar to
[1:08:16] other towns I've worked in.
>> Yep.
[1:08:21] » I think what else
question the board what you folks would
[1:08:25] like to do
[1:08:30] again. We're still an open meeting. So,
we want to close it. We want to keep it
[1:08:36] open. Um, our next meeting won't be
until November.
[1:08:40] » Yeah.
We won't have quorum in October. N
[1:08:46] » and so far Peter's missed a meeting
already. So he can't do another Mullins.
[1:08:51] I think you've missed a meeting. So he
can't miss another he can't miss another
[1:08:55] meeting.
>> Um or else he'll be he won't be eligible
[1:08:58] to vote. And then they would have to
readvertise again in order to get a full
[1:09:03] board um to be eligible to vote, which
is, you know,
[1:09:07] » not not fair to the applicant.
>> Yeah. Um, so if you want to deliberate
[1:09:11] on it, you open, close, you know,
whatever. Um,
[1:09:15] » just one thought. Um,
just asking out to the neighbor. Um,
[1:09:21] would having a little section of fence,
would that be desirable? I mean, because
[1:09:26] I think they I get where you're coming
from and I, you know, I think I could
[1:09:29] see being in your possession and not
being thrilled.
[1:09:33] would having any kind of aortion if the
applicant was willing to do any kind of
[1:09:36] aortion offense to obscure the view.
>> It would it would be considered I'm not
[1:09:41] here to bleed them for offense.
>> Okay.
[1:09:43] » I just want privacy.
>> No, [clears throat] I'm just just trying
[1:09:46] to think if there's anything
>> if you guys go there and see what I'm
[1:09:48] losing, you know, it's it's it's
everything out the back. I get it. Yeah,
[1:09:54] » you have the right to cut all those
trees down and clear cut. I get that.
[1:09:58] But um
>> I think the hardship is in the natural
[1:10:01] landscape just kind of that there's a a
fair grade change and I think it is good
[1:10:06] that they're one story. So I mean I'm
just throwing something out there. If
[1:10:10] there's any story helps
>> might help, you know, be looking them
[1:10:14] out at it.
>> Okay.
[1:10:16] » The idea of having a 40D product behind
it is not thrilling. You have the right
[1:10:20] to shrink it down. Hoping you take that
into consideration
[1:10:24] uh by density. Um,
it would be entertained. A a resolution
[1:10:31] would be entertained. What it is, I
don't know. Plant much taller trees, buy
[1:10:36] them already much larger. Put them up on
an earth burn. Do something. So, there's
[1:10:42] density put back so I don't have to see
or hear it.
[1:10:45] » Okay. The only issue I would have with
having a I understand having a larger
[1:10:49] calipiber any um would be good, but
there is a higher risk of it not taking
[1:10:55] to its new location because it's now
used to it's older. I get it, you know,
[1:11:00] same as people. I move around as a older
person and uh I don't I don't like it,
[1:11:05] you know. Uh it's just, you know, when
it's a smaller caliper, if you but you
[1:11:09] can get a tree that is going to grow
quickly, you know, put on a couple of,
[1:11:14] you know, feet in a few years.
>> Um that's just my concern. Um is if you
[1:11:19] get a larger tree, there is a there
might be a higher chance of it dying and
[1:11:24] then
>> that's not what we want either. We don't
[1:11:27] want to look at dead trees.
>> And you know, and please don't think we
[1:11:31] take it lightly. I I can just be very
honest with you. I know there's at least
[1:11:35] two board members sitting here that have
40B projects. They're above us, too. Um,
[1:11:41] I'm one of them. And I know Brian is as
well. So, we
[1:11:45] » I was going to ask you guys, where you
live in town?
[1:11:48] » Oh, I got one right by here.
>> He's got one right next to I have a 40B
[1:11:51] at the end of my driveway. It It didn't
affect my house value. I'll tell you
[1:11:55] that. But
>> it didn't.
[1:11:56] » No, it didn't.
>> It's been in for 15 years.
[1:11:59] » I can tell you. I worked for the town
for 29 years and the police for fire
[1:12:02] have been at the one down here and the
other one quite often. They got their
[1:12:06] own keys. They bring problems.
>> Well, this is what if it was all
[1:12:10] veterans, great. Bring it all.
>> This is an over 55 development, too. So,
[1:12:15] » place that's pretty quite busy, too. Um,
it is a fence the resolution if you
[1:12:21] can't put bigger trees, maybe. I don't
know. But some sort of resolution would
[1:12:25] be nice.
I think you can f I would I would
[1:12:29] suggest that the applicant take a look
at with their landscape architect
[1:12:34] looking at some species of trees that
can put on some height you know quickly
[1:12:39] or fast growing trees.
>> Yeah.
[1:12:41] » To you know again that's just my
concern. If you want to spend the money
[1:12:45] on a you know much larger caliber tree
that's fine. No, just because I think
[1:12:49] you nailed it on the head is we have
tried that before. The the the reason we
[1:12:53] do the the green giants is because
they're they're they they maintain green
[1:12:58] because they're thick rebellent. They
grow pretty fast. Like it's not
[1:13:02] » the least expensive tree we go with or
like the tallest tree. It's the one that
[1:13:06] like it's the most sturdy. It's going to
grow and we find that provides the best
[1:13:10] shading. So, it's it's that's kind of
why we we go that way.
[1:13:17] Okay.
>> Can I get a copy of that uh traffic
[1:13:20] study?
>> It's online.
[1:13:22] » It's online.
>> Absolutely.
[1:13:23] » Thank you.
>> Yeah. Absolutely.
[1:13:25] » Any other uh still
it's still open unless someone wants to
[1:13:32] make a motion to close bulk here.
>> I
[1:13:37] No, I was just Stephanie,
>> you can't make a motion.
[1:13:39] » Yeah, I can't make a motion. [laughter]
[1:13:43] Can't make one.
Um,
[1:13:46] » may
>> Yes. May I ask one question?
[1:13:51] » Um, go ahead, Stephanie.
>> Thank you. So, if the if the board isn't
[1:13:55] going to meet again um until November,
um if they're not prepared to
[1:14:05] well, under 40B, you can vote the
decision um and then you have 40 days to
[1:14:11] issue the decision. So you have time and
that you can then go and review an
[1:14:17] updated draft of it and get it out. So
voting it doesn't mean that you have to
[1:14:22] issue the written decision within a day.
Um and the other part of my comment was
[1:14:28] if you aren't comfortable with that at
this point, is there any ability for the
[1:14:33] board to have a special hearing yet
later this month um rather than wait
[1:14:36] until November?
Um we myself and Rachel did discuss that
[1:14:42] at one point. Um
>> the only time I would be available um in
[1:14:49] this room would be available um is the
17th. The planning board meets um the
[1:14:53] 10th and the 20. So I would not be here.
Um but I'm sure you not that you can't
[1:15:00] do anything without me like you guys are
capable adults.
[1:15:06] » [laughter]
>> Um
[1:15:10] » I can do the sub but what
>> I guess you run the risk of yeah people
[1:15:16] schedules it gets
>> tricky
[1:15:18] » I guess so Stephanie would an option be
that the board votes to accept the site
[1:15:24] plan and you know the waiverss tonight
with an understanding that we would need
[1:15:29] like can they condition a clean letter
from uh Beals Thomas with like you know
[1:15:35] you know appropriate plans or changes
made. Is that possible?
[1:15:39] » You you can do that as a condition of a
comp permit. Yes. Just because it's it's
[1:15:43] it's just wrap-up items at this point
with respect to the bills and Thomas. So
[1:15:48] if if the board's inclined, they can
they can vote and condition that you
[1:15:53] know one of the conditions um you know
before building permits obviously um is
[1:15:59] that the the you know peer review has
has acknowledged you know close out of
[1:16:04] all of any of any open comments
>> um and and like
[1:16:08] » yeah I have some you know standard
language that I've used in planning
[1:16:11] board and as well as your decisions too
um before
[1:16:15] » and plus we have 40 days to go through
the the decision And it would it's
[1:16:19] essentially we're doing the same thing
that we normally do is you're making
[1:16:22] you're decide making a vote subject to
draft conditions or draft conditions and
[1:16:26] standard conditions and the following
special conditions. You don't have to
[1:16:30] get them perfectly wordsmith tonight.
That's usually what I do. And then you
[1:16:34] know then you do you do whatever your
vote is and then I write up that
[1:16:39] decision you know making it planner
flourishes you know great word smithing
[1:16:44] that I do. Um and um then you just come
in and sign it.
[1:16:49] » You want me to make a motion?
>> Yeah,
[1:16:52] I did entertain the motion um to close
the public hearing.
[1:16:56] » I'll make the motion to close the public
hearing.
[1:16:59] » I have a second.
>> Second.
[1:17:01] » All those in favor?
>> I
[1:17:03] » I
[1:17:07] have a question first because I'm not
really sure
[1:17:11] what's the value in closing right now.
Do you want any new information?
[1:17:18] Do you need any new information to make
your decision?
[1:17:22] Like substantially new information.
Once you once it's closed, then you
[1:17:27] don't you can't take any new
information. You take clarifying
[1:17:30] information except what's conditioned
within your decision. You know, like
[1:17:34] we're going to
>> So, how do we proc this later on like as
[1:17:37] it's being developed? So, we're out of
out of it after this
[1:17:40] » once once we condition it. um they have
to follow all our conditions.
[1:17:45] » Mhm.
>> Yes.
[1:17:46] » We won't actually follow it unless the
building inspector comes back and says,
[1:17:49] "Hey, this is outside the scope of your
decision."
[1:17:52] » Okay.
>> So, they process.
[1:17:54] » Yeah.
>> If they decide that they're going to put
[1:17:56] up a 15th building, three stories high.
>> The only thing that's probably going to
[1:18:01] come before you is on any of these
permits like the DPW street opening
[1:18:04] permit. That'll come back before you at
some point, you know, when they're
[1:18:07] ready. any of those things, those will
come back before you. But that's not a
[1:18:11] public hearing.
>> It's just a permanent. It's
[1:18:14] administrative.
>> Yeah. Yes.
[1:18:21] » Okay. [laughter]
[1:18:26] » Discussion with the board.
Thoughts,
[1:18:30] concerns?
[1:18:34] You can speak.
You can't vote. to speak.
[1:18:38] » My first uh my first real looking at
this. So, it's
[1:18:43] kind of just learning how the process
works. And
[1:18:49] » I mean, you know, I'm I'm still
concerned about traffic in that area.
[1:18:54] You know, it's
it can be very difficult to get in and
[1:18:59] out of that area.
>> I've actually been down the past three
[1:19:03] or four mornings for something else.
[1:19:08] at home's going to disagree with you.
>> That's observation bias. Maybe
[1:19:12] » it is. [laughter]
I was I was actually there quart 8 this
[1:19:16] morning. I pulled back out about 910. I
think at like four o'clock different but
[1:19:23] » yeah that whole
>> I will say that with that in the past
[1:19:28] because I know Brian Salsbury would be a
stapler for that and say like are we
[1:19:31] going to calculate the worst case
scenario and it still didn't really
[1:19:34] change anything with the
>> trafficis
[1:19:38] » I feel like I don't fully trust all the
traffic analysis but you know at all but
[1:19:43] I also feel like it's hard to
>> I don't know how you um
[1:19:49] » quantif ify it or condition it.
>> No, no. It's just an observation that
[1:19:54] every time they say it's not going to
happen anything right there.
[1:19:57] » Yeah.
>> I've never read a traffic study that
[1:19:59] said this is going to impact traffic.
>> Every single one of them says this will
[1:20:03] not impact traffic at all.
>> Yeah, it's true. Yeah.
[1:20:09] » You do have a peer review that was done,
you know, independently for you though
[1:20:13] that says the same thing. Yeah.
>> The same thing.
[1:20:17] » I agree with you. I know it is kind of
to me it is sometimes frustrating
[1:20:21] because it does seem like every time
they say it's never going to impact.
[1:20:25] » Yeah. And I mean
maybe it's not in the grand scheme of
[1:20:30] things and maybe it's other things going
on but it is a very congested
[1:20:34] » area. So
[1:20:39] that's that's my one right questions.
>> No, I don't think so. I I think I'm
[1:20:46] comfortable.
[1:20:50] » I just want to make sure they
[clears throat]
[1:20:53] they do the best effort, you know, to uh
for the ones that are on the left side
[1:20:58] or I guess I guess that be the west
side.
[1:21:02] » Yeah, be the left side.
>> Um you know, work with the the
[1:21:10] mothers there.
>> Absolutely. Um, but I think, you know, I
[1:21:13] think uh everything's been worked pretty
well over that.
[1:21:16] » I mean, I don't um go back to that. I
mean, I hate using the word BM. Um, I've
[1:21:22] seen them. I'm not a huge fan of them
and and I'm not sure you even have the
[1:21:28] width to get a a 10-ft burm up there.
The width you would need for a 10-ft
[1:21:33] burm, you'd wind up clearing more trees
to get a burm in there.
[1:21:37] » Yes. Because
>> 10 feet you've got to be what 20 20 30
[1:21:42] feet wide taking down more trees
>> and you've got terrible storm water I
[1:21:47] think like your control for storm water
like the things going up and then really
[1:21:52] and then like you're saying like I get
like you need to you can't have the
[1:21:55] thing slope right to the back of the
building.
[1:21:58] » No,
>> you want some sort of a flat area. I
[1:22:01] » think you want to take up more trees,
but the width is what the height of it.
[1:22:07] I hate burps.
It's worse than the sound is.
[1:22:12] » You brought up something hate.
>> I just We've allowed it a few projects
[1:22:17] and I'm just like, why did we do that?
Um
[1:22:25] Rachel, you have the
[1:22:29] um
the water man.
[1:22:32] » Yes. Jack, we're going to strengthen
that language.
[1:22:36] You have the
um Oh my god, I brought a metal blank.
[1:22:41] The clearing the land clearing.
>> Yes.
[1:22:44] » And wasn't there one more?
>> This the fence.
[1:22:47] » The fence
>> the I have water main strengthen. Um use
[1:22:53] the no land clearing from sunken meadow,
the construction management plan that
[1:22:58] could that's part of our um
pre-construction meeting. Um but I can
[1:23:03] put it in there just so it's there. Um
and then final plans to show the line
[1:23:08] striping and a stop sign. Uh the fence
um over by 56 Depot Street to be set one
[1:23:15] foot onto 46 Depot Street's property. Um
that's what I have for the special
[1:23:22] additional conditions that have come out
of this discussion tonight.
[1:23:25] » Do we need to put in that it's they
maintain they continue maintenance on
[1:23:29] it?
>> I will I think I might have some
[1:23:31] language in here already. If I don't, I
will put that in there along with the
[1:23:34] landscaping maintained in perpetuity.
>> Um,
[1:23:40] have the rest of the board, have you
read her preliminary decision that she
[1:23:44] emailed?
[1:23:47] » And now, do you want that word changed
townhouse to something else?
[1:23:52] » No. As long as it's not okay. Listen, if
if we're going through all this effort,
[1:23:56] they're going through this effort, the
neighbors going through it. I don't my
[1:24:00] thought was I don't want that one word
to get to the state of whoever's
[1:24:04] approving it and say oh these are town
host and just dump everything right back
[1:24:08] to them. That was my only concern.
>> Okay.
[1:24:11] » I just in fairness to
everyone put effort into this. Ask them
[1:24:16] and neighbors and
>> Yeah. Okay.
[1:24:19] » That's as long as it's not going to
screw up their application. It's on
[1:24:23] them. If it does
[clears throat]
[1:24:27] on them,
>> right? Yeah. [laughter]
[1:24:30] Okay.
>> Do we want any wording for the west
[1:24:33] side?
[clears throat]
[1:24:39] » Um, do you want uh fencing along the
rear of the property line?
[1:24:45] » I don't know. Fencing will help.
>> You You're putting up six foot green
[1:24:50] giants.
>> Yeah.
[1:24:51] » And a sixoot fence. What's that going to
>> Yeah. That sounds like the neighbor is
[1:24:56] saying too that it's um it's got the
second floor and
[1:24:59] » yeah the old
>> I think what you said was good James
[1:25:02] that kind of that I guess just the
applicant kind of working
[1:25:06] » with the abutter
>> say that
[1:25:08] » going as as
>> you can't
[1:25:11] » maintaining whatever you can
>> landscaping including some trees that
[1:25:16] have maybe more of a canopy
understanding yes that means it's
[1:25:19] deciduous so it's going to lose its
leaves but even then that's you
[1:25:24] how how long how you know that's that's
something a tree that has a canopy so
[1:25:29] that way he's not looking at that
>> you know see where the your landscape
[1:25:34] architect can fit one of those in.
Yeah, we
[1:25:38] » I mean, yeah, that's that's something
that I could think of because again, you
[1:25:42] look at something with 21 feet, there's
plenty of trees that could get well
[1:25:46] above that, you know, quickly. Um, and
have a canopy that comes up and over,
[1:25:51] you know, and provides enough.
>> And I think the hard thing is the the
[1:25:54] elevation differences that you put up a
50ft tree.
[1:25:58] » Yeah. because you're looking down on
>> but then that canopy is going to be out
[1:26:03] you know you know
>> so the current cut area how tall are
[1:26:08] those trees
[1:26:11] » yeah I thought
>> yeah they're they're big pines
[1:26:16] » they're over they're over 20 ft
>> yes
[1:26:19] » the non cutter is already you know
>> yeah right
[1:26:22] » I think we yeah all we can do is kind of
ask that they maintain as best they can
[1:26:27] » I yeah
>> they're
[1:26:33] What do you guys want to do?
[1:26:38] » Make commercials.
[1:26:42] » We haven't heard from you for a while.
[1:26:47] [laughter]
>> Well, you're not listening to
[1:26:51] a long time.
>> Been quiet over there past.
[1:26:57] tired.
Um, yeah, I mean I, you know, I don't
[1:27:02] think we need more information other
than what we still have to receive. I
[1:27:07] guess I have one clarifying question,
Rachel. Um, if we vote and approve and
[1:27:13] it has the 40 days, will we have that
time period to review the additional
[1:27:19] submissions and the new plans? Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah, they may get that stuff
[1:27:24] prior to even having that, you know,
meeting that that happens a lot too.
[1:27:29] This just gives you that buffer that
okay, this is your stop dead date. Like
[1:27:32] if you do not have it by this, you know,
you're not getting a building.
[1:27:35] » And when you email us or when Amy emails
us that the other question I have here,
[1:27:40] thank you for bringing that up, was is
the 20-day appeal period, is that from a
[1:27:46] vote, if it was approved, is that either
way they got 20-day appeal. Is that from
[1:27:51] today or 40 days when we sign off from
the file decision?
[1:27:55] » 20. It's 40 days from today. If you
whatever your vote is today, you have 40
[1:28:00] days to get that decision. And then as I
understand it, once you as soon as you
[1:28:05] submit that
>> decision, that's when the 20 days
[1:28:09] starts.
>> Yeah.
[1:28:15] » Yeah. Um Okay. I will make a motion to
approve
[1:28:23] the
the special permit
[1:28:26] » comprehensive permit
>> comprehensive permit with the
[1:28:32] conditions that Rachel is going to
>> specified
[1:28:36] deliberation in our deliberation
>> and draft and uh the draft conditions as
[1:28:42] presented in the draft conditions as
presented. Anything more missing than
[1:28:47] that?
[1:28:56] » I know you're looking at me. Do you want
me to second?
[1:29:00] » Don't tell me what to do. It's going to
be a long night.
[1:29:03] » Yeah, there's other people here. I'll
second.
[1:29:07] » Well, we have a motion. We have a
second. Um, we have to do a roll call on
[1:29:11] this.
>> Yeah, might as well. You did it for the
[1:29:13] last one. So, oh, do we also need to do
the waivers um individually
[1:29:18] um or do a vote to uh approve the
waivers as presented?
[1:29:24] » All right. Should we
>> do this vote and then you know you could
[1:29:26] do your the waivers as as well. Is that
order okay, Stephanie? Or
[1:29:32] » I sometimes prefer the vote on the
waiver first, but um
[1:29:35] » Okay.
>> All right. We can hold on that vote.
[1:29:38] » Does the motion withdraw
you need me to withdraw?
[1:29:42] » No. No,
>> I entertain a motion to accept the
[1:29:45] waiverss
um and hold.
[1:29:52] » So move
>> second.
[1:29:56] All those in favor?
>> I
[1:29:58] » I
>> All right. So, we have a motion and a
[1:30:02] second to approve the comprehensive
permit with the inserts that you're
[1:30:08] going to put in. And we're still waiting
for comments back on the one item
[1:30:13] traffic study.
>> Yes. Yes.
[1:30:18] um
>> which that was one of the um special um
[1:30:21] conditions subject to the draft
conditions as presented and the special
[1:30:25] conditions um as discussed during your
deliberation.
[1:30:30] » We'll do a roll call.
>> Liz I [clears throat]
[1:30:36] can't
I
[1:30:43] motion passes.
[1:30:47] the lawyers run out of the wrong
question.
[1:30:49] » Yeah. Right.
>> Okay. Um so yeah, 40 days to do that. I
[1:30:55] could I probably have it, you know,
minor tweaks here and there. Um probably
[1:30:59] by end mid end of next week um to you
guys.
[1:31:04] » I'm here until the 25th. So
>> Okay.
[1:31:08] » All right. Great. And then we we'll
respond just to you just to me.
[1:31:13] » Yes. Not Not reply.
>> Not reply.
[1:31:16] » Yes. I will make sure I will blind copy
you as well so you don't you know set
[1:31:22] you guys up for success.
>> God damn it.
[1:31:25] » No.
>> Okay. Awesome.
[1:31:28] » Good.
>> Thank you.
[1:31:30] » Thank you.
>> Thank you Stephanie.
[1:31:33] » Thank you Stephanie.
>> Thank you Stephanie. [clears throat]
[1:31:37] » Thank you. Have a good evening all.
[1:31:41] Thank you. try.
[1:31:47] » Okay.
[1:31:51] I guess we're not.
>> So,
[1:31:54] um the next item we have on the agenda
[1:31:59] » actually has approve meeting minutes. I
>> have some question.
[1:32:04] » Liz um did have an edit. The copy that
you have in your packet doesn't have
[1:32:08] that edit, but I did change it. Um the
LA end it was to close the meeting of
[1:32:12] August 8th as opposed to August 6. So I
did make that change in the final
[1:32:17] version. Thank you for double checking.
>> Oh
[1:32:22] maybe
>> I'm just sometimes I throw things in
[1:32:25] there, you know, just to see if you guys
are paying attention.
[1:32:30] » We should Can we still approve them with
the Yep. Yeah. I understand motion to
[1:32:35] move the minutes from
May 6th, 2026
[1:32:40] » as amended.
>> As amended
[1:32:43] moved
>> second
[1:32:46] favor I
>> Okay. Um
[1:32:50] I don't even remember doing this but
next item on the agenda is certificate
[1:32:56] completion statement of Curtis
Apartments development.
[1:33:00] » Uh vote to release of the covenant.
Yeah. Um
[1:33:04] » honestly I don't know about the covenant
accept that when we did this but
[1:33:09] » that's okay it happened. Um so they are
going through their um transferring of
[1:33:15] ownership of this. So we're going
through the comprehensive permit with a
[1:33:18] fine tooth comb um and tying up all of
those ends. Um and one of them was this
[1:33:23] um only thing so you know they have
completed which is that letter um bowler
[1:33:30] um provided to us as well as um as plans
too the we're not taking over the it's a
[1:33:36] private property still it's just a sewer
um that goes through their line u but
[1:33:43] that's we're not taking ownership of the
private property
[1:33:47] » selling it amazing
anyways
[1:33:50] » so um if you is vote. Again, they are
entitled to a release because
[1:33:54] everything's completed. Um,
sign it. One person can't sign it
[1:34:00] because they need to have it their um
thing notorized.
[1:34:04] » Okay, great. Awesome.
>> So,
[1:34:07] » so motion to release
[1:34:14] » release the covenant.
>> Release the Curtis.
[1:34:17] Curtis
located at 165 Street, Bellingham,
[1:34:21] Massachusetts.
>> Okay. But so moved.
[1:34:24] » No, I need a motion, dude.
>> Okay. Motion to release as as stated.
[1:34:28] » A second.
>> Second.
[1:34:29] » All in favor?
>> I
[1:34:36] can hear for just for that. Yeah.
>> I Yeah, I told them that that you didn't
[1:34:41] need to come. So,
Yeah,
[1:34:51] » unless you guys want to hang out more.
>> No, I I definitely say a motion to
[1:34:56] adjourn this meeting.
>> Second.
[1:34:58] » Okay.
>> All those in favor?
[1:35:01] » I.
>> And we are closing the September 3rd,
[1:35:04] 2026 meeting.
>> There's no October.
[1:35:07] » No. Great. That's great. Fantastic. I
can't say this.