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Call meeting to order. Pledge of
allegiance. Council member Davidson.

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To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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stands. One nation under God indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.

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» [snorts]
>> Roll call, please.

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» Mayor Larkkey,
>> here.

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» Council member White,
>> here.

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» Council member Thompson,
>> here.

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» Council member Davidson,
>> here.

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» Council member Bryan,
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» Council member Lawson,
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» Council member Richardson
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» Council member McCllum
>> here.

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» Council member Johnson
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» We have a quorum. D. No presentations.
E. Personal appearances. Each person

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list on the agenda to address the city
council should step up to the microphone

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and state the name and address for the
record and limit the remarks to five

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minutes. Number one, Jim Shipley.

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I'm Jim Shipley of 8105 East 195th
Street, Belton, Missouri. Thank you for

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the opportunity to speak. My wife and I
Is the speaker working?

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah, it's working. Yeah,

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» my wife and I have lived on 195th Street
between Peculiar Drive and Mullen Road

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for 34 years. We purchased our home on 2
acres a year after we were married. In

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fact, our 35th wedding anniversary is
later this week.

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Up until this spring, we have loved
living in our home on 195th Street. We

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love the area and have never had any
reason to want to move away until now.

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You might ask what's happened. We along
with our neighbors became aware Belton

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was proposing to amend the 2050
comprehensive plan and transform the 600

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acres of farmland across the street from
us and our neighbors into a business

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park.
The 2050 comprehensive plan that was

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approved by the city council in late
2024 designated the farmland across the

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street from our front door as single
family residential.

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We soon discovered that Belton's plan
for a business park was actually to

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provide for the development of this
farmland into a superersized warehouse

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complex by Scanel Properties, similar to
the Raymore Commerce Center on the east

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side of the interstate. The big
difference is that there is no single

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family residential housing adjacent or
even visible to the Raymore Commerce

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Center. Our front door faces north
towards the farmland along with the

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front doors of my neighbors all along
195th Street.

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If the 3.3 million square f feet
warehouse development is allowed by

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Belton, our homes will forever be
changed due to us having to look out

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from our front doors, our front windows,
and our front yards at millions of

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square feet of 50 foot tall or taller
warehouses and semitrs and trailers only

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a few hundred feet from the front of our
homes.

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We will be looking directly at
semi-truckss coming and going to the

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warehouses from dozens of loading docks
24 hours a day. This area is not

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appropriate for an industrial
development of warehouses. There are

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traffic concerns,
drainage concerns, noise concerns, and

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air pollution concerns that such a
development will have on our residential

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properties.
Matt Wright has been meeting with Scanel

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Properties for well over one year.
Drawings have been developed that show

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the placement of seven superiz
warehouses on this farmland across from

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our homes.
Some of the individual warehouse

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buildings are over one quarter mile in
length. That's over four football fields

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in length. And that is some of the
individual warehouse buildings.

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These warehouses can be constructed to a
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Scanel is now actively marketing this
proposed warehouse development on the

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worldwide web. It's on the Kansas City
Kansas City area development council's

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website listed under real estate
offerings. Belton's assistant city

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manager has already responded to RFIs.

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How is this being allowed?
There's been no public hearing with the

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planning commission. There's been no
amendment to the 2050 comprehensive

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plan. There's been no annexation of the
property. There's been no reszoning

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change from the current agriculture
designation. And there's been no

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addressing this issue with the city
council to my knowledge. And there's

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been no approval from the council. I am
requesting the city to adhere to the

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2050 comprehensive plan that the council
approved in 2024.

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A plan that made sense in 2024 and it
still makes sense today. And I request

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the city to plan and guide development
on the 600 acre efforts property in

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accordance with the approved plan which
designated the majority of this area as

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single family residential.
The owner of the 600 acres, Mr. Mike

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Efforts, was even a member of the
steering committee that developed the

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2050 comprehensive plan. In closing, I
would like to read from the 2050 belt

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and comprehensive plan, page 44 titled
Graham efforts sub area. It lists three

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key recommendations for this sub area.
residents discuss the need for a variety

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of housing types and regional.
>> Sorry, sir, your time's up.

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» Can I have another 20 30 seconds,
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» Go ahead, wrap it up, please.
>> Residents discuss the need for variety

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of housing types and regional draws to
Belton. This sub area responds back to

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these desires. Number two, discourage
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the flood plane to ensure it is
preserved long term. And the number

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three key recommendation was consider
opportunities to develop a golf course

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in the sub area and construct luxury
housing around its perimeter.

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Participants shared the need for
high-end move up housing in Belton as

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there is currently a limited stock
resulting in residents having to move

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outside of the community to obtain a
larger house. Thank you for your time.

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» Thank you.

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Item F, appeal to the city council
pursuant to RSMO610.021.1

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021.1 sub paragraph 1. Documents may be
furnished without charge or at a reduced

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ch charge when the public governmental
body determines that the waiver or

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reduction of the fee is in the public
interest because it's likely to

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contribute significantly to public
understanding the operation or

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activities of the public governmental
body and is not primarily in the

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commercial interest of the requesttor.
Number one, Steven Bodka. Hey, council.

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I'm here on item F1, an appeal of $682.7
in fees on a records request about the

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city's license plate reader system. One
request before I start. Last time I

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stood here on a fee waver, this the
discussion turned to my character. I was

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called a man with a personal vendetta.
No document was disputed and no figure

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was challenged. Tonight, I ask we stay
on the question printed at the top of

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this agenda. Does this request
contribute significantly to public

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understanding of the operations of this
city?

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Now, what's being charged for? The
clerk's office produced six of eight

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categories at no cost. It's an overall
improvement from the response I received

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in May, which the city itself described
as neither an official nor comprehensive

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correspondence search. Two questions
remain, and both carry a price. Question

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six is $181.82, 82 just 12 months of
audit logs and it's who searched the

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system when and for what stated reason.
Question eight, this one cost $500.25

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and it's just complaints that residents
sent about these cameras and how the

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city answered. Not footage, not plate
data, nothing about any individual, just

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who looked, when, and why. And did
anyone object? I want to be precise

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because this is where it matters. The
fourth amendment protects the right of

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the people to be secure in the person's
papers, houses, and effects against

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unreasonable searches and seizures. A
single photograph of a plate on a public

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street is not a search. The courts have
been clear. Your plate is visible to

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anyone. One camera, one car, one time,
no constitutional question. But that's

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not what a camera network is. In
Carpenter versus the United States in

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2018, the Supreme Court held that
collecting a person's location history

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over time is different in kind from
observing them once. Chief Justice

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Roberts wrote, "It gives the government
an intimate window into a person's life,

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reveal revealing familial, political,
professional, religious, and sexual

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associations." And the court said this
technology runs against everyone.

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That unlike a traditional search, it
requires no suspicion, no warrant, no

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reason at all. Six years earlier in
United States versus Jones, Justice

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Sodom Mayor wrote that the aggregated
location de data reveals trips to the

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psychiatrist, the plastic surgeon, the
abortion clinic, the AIDS treatment

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center, the strip club, the criminal
defense attorney, the by the hour motel,

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the union meeting, the mosque,
synagogue, or church. The constitutional

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line isn't drawn at the camera. It's
drawn at how much is collected, how long

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it's kept, and how freely it's searched.
One document answer answers that. And

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it's the audit log. A handful of
searches tied to a real investigations

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means the system works the way you
intended and the question never arises.

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Thousands of queries, agencies outside
of Missouri, or searches with no stated

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reason means it's a different system
than the one council approved. Nobody in

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this room knows which one it is,
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There's a structural problem. Under
Missouri law, a citizen can be charged

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for the labor of producing records about
how their government used power on them.

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That's legal. I'm not disputing the
calculation. But look what it means in

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practice. The body deciding whether the
fee gets waved is the same body whose

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operations are being examined. You're
being asked tonight to price access your

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own record. Nobody here created that,
but that's how the statute is built. But

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it means only one thing is standing
between the government and pricing

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accountability out of reach. And that is
the government choosing not to. Tonight,

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that choice is yours. [snorts] And I
want to be accurate because this matters

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to the argument. The council did approve
these cameras in public four separate

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times. But approving something in public
is not the same as having the public

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having a say in it. Nobody in Belton
voted on this. There was no ballot

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question, no hearing where residents
weighed whether they wanted their

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movements recorded. A resolution just
passed on a Tuesday night meeting and

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the rest of us found out later if we
found out at all. I'm not saying that

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that was unlawful. I'm saying it's the
reason the audit log matters. When

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people affected by a system never got to
vote on whether it exists, they're at

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least owed the ability to see how it's
being used. Authorization isn't the

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question. Operation is. And you've
already applied the standard in June. On

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June 9th, this body granted a fee waiver
on a different request of mine, finding

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it in public interest by likely
contributing to the significant

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by likely contributing significantly to
public understanding of the operations

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or activities of the city. Same
requesttor, same statute, same standard.

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That one is about a road. This one is
about a system that photographs every

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vehicle that passes it in a city where
the city clerk confirmed in writing on

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August 25th that the police department
keeps no complaint log at all.

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I have one question for public works.
While photographing camera locations, I

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noticed at least three installations
mounted on poles that don't appear to

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have breakaway bases. I'm not an
engineer. I don't know whether those sit

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inside a clear zone where breakaway
hardware is required under MDOT or

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Ashtto standards, but someone should
answer it. Fix objects in a clear zone

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are known hazard and runoff road
crashes, and that's why the standard

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exists. I'd ask this council to direct
public works to confirm whether those

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installations were reviewed and make
that review available.

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And now what I'm asking for tonight is
to wave the fee under RS MO610,

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the statute printed on your own agenda
tonight. If you deny it, the

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determination on record, the statute
requires this body to determine whether

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this request serves the public interest.
That's the legal standard and it's the

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thing that was missing the last time a
waiver was denied. Here's what I'd ask

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you to sit with before you vote. Nobody
in Belton voted on whether this system

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exists. No ballot question, no form, no
no way to decline, just the resolution

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passed and every resident who drives
through this town has been photographed

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ever since. That was legal. But the one
record showing whether that power is

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being used properly cost $682.7.
So if you deny this, the position

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becomes we collected information about
you without asking and now you can pay

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to find out what we did with it. And I
don't think anyone on this dis set out

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to build that. But something has changed
since 2021. When this was approved, most

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people in Belton didn't know what a
license plate reader was, let alone that

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the Fourth Amendment has anything to say
about aggregated location data. But

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that's not true anymore. People are
reading Carpenter and they're filling

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out their own requests. They're asking
Cass County the same questions about the

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same system. A council can approve
whether it's legally whatever it's

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legally permitted to approve, but once
the people it was approve approved over

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start reading the law for themselves,
the arrangement changes and it doesn't

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change back. One vote decides whether
Belton is the city that showed its work

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or the city that charged for it. Thank
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» Any questions?

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» [snorts]
>> Go ahead.

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» I guess someone if we wanted to move
forward with this needs to make a

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motion. Correct.
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» Go ahead.
>> Um would we consider these two requests

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separately?
If there was a motion,

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» you could again just like last time
where you guys were determining whether

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or not I do believe council member White
might have made a motion to just

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partially wave them. It is up to the
city council's discretion as to how much

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you wave or how you wave it.
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» Is there I mean that's a valid point. Is
there is there interest in tackling

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these two separately?
I'd be comfortable with that.

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» Yeah. Um the first request regarding
audit and usage records, I'm more

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comfortable considering a waiver and
making those results public. I think the

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second request
I don't know that that necessarily

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serves the public good. Um
I don't know. I' I've got mixed feelings

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about the two separate issues.

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» Go ahead. I think it's fine to take them
separately. I have the same concerns as

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council member Lawson.

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» Anybody over here have anything?

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» All right. Can uh Patrick, can you help
me out with some language here?

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» Um yes, that would be what is it? Is it
request four and six or six and eight?

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» Six and eight. So that would be a motion
approving the waiver of fees and

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determining it in the public interest uh
regarding request six

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of the sunshine law request submitted by
Steven Vaka on

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» August 15th.
>> Moved. So moved.

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» We have a motion and a second. Any more
discussion on

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on a question?
So this is wavering partial.

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» No, this is just this is just waving him
on question six on his on his list. Can

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someone explain what that is?
>> Yes. Question six from the letter was

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audit and usage records on the memo
that's in the council agenda packet.

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It's listed as number one
>> which

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is hold on.
Can you explain that a little better?

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audit usage
what what he's asking. Can you explain

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what that is a little better?
>> I'm sorry. I was answering a question

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for Chief Sap. What was the question
again?

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» Can you explain what the audits audit
and usage log that he's requesting what

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that is in a little bit more detail,
please?

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» That would be a detailed log that we get
from Flock itself. it would require a uh

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system administrator to get and that's
one of the reasons that the cost was so

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high because it can only come from one
person.

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» Okay, that answer your question Brett.
Did that answer your question? [snorts]

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» Anybody else?

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» Um since we are in discussion,
uh can we ask a question of the

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presenter?
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» if comfortable, Mr. Vaka, would you be
willing to just kind of explain the uh

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you know, I guess purpose of the request
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less I understood I understood the
philosophical piece of what you just

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described, but I guess more of like what
the um intent is to produce with the

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data.
Uh, I'm going to report regardless on

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what our outcomes are of just this vote
decision tonight, but ultimately I'd

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like to report that the systems being
used in the way that it was approved of,

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but I could also report [snorts] what I
find when the logs are revealed. That's

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ultimately what my goal is. I want
transparency.

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What
>> And [snorts] when you say report, can

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you clarify what you mean by that?
>> Same thing I did with the North Cast

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Parkway. I just made Facebook posts.
>> Okay.

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Thank you. Go ahead.
>> Um, Chief Lines, you've spoken to us

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before about the audit logs and usage
and our internal controls for the

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automated license plate reader data. Do
you mind refreshing our memory on how

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your department manages this
information?

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» Uh, the data is 30 days and so we can go
back over 30 days and we do that

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monthly. It's also in our transparency
portal. You can actually pull it up and

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look at the last 30 days. uh but to go
beyond that is a deeper search that we

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have to go into the system and get that
from flock and that's done through the

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system administrator having access and
then with help on the back end of it.

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I remember reviewing the transparency
portal last time you mentioned this. Um,

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I'll just point it out to the council
that a retroactive search going back 12

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months,
I I would be comfortable waving that,

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but I would make it known to the public
that if you're not making use of the

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transparency portal and monitoring and
and keeping us honest that way, I will

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not feel comfortable continually waving
these at the cost to the city to pull

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these retroactive reports. So, that's my
two cents.

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» Yeah. Yeah, and I'll just to add to that
because that's a good point of which is

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the transparency portal was became
public or created or whatever on

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approximately when
>> uh we did that about um gosh what was

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that presentation maybe 60 days ago.
>> Okay.

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So retroactively there's some point to
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» Go ahead. So any person in any citizen
of Belton or any person who's been

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driving through Belton could request
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information about whether their license
plate has been reviewed.

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» Yes, you could go on that portal and
look.

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» Go ahead.
>> I have another question for Mr. Vaka.

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[snorts]

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» Have you used the free transparency
portal?

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Not yet because I went through the
sunshine request which is my right.

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» I I understand that. I I would think you
would want to start there and find

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something that would make it an easier
decision.

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» The transparency portal is only going to
show what wants to be shown.

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Whereas again he just said we're only
keeping 30 days. How much data is flock

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keeping?

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» All right. Does it go back 90? Does it
go back a year? How much data are they

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keeping on us? What all are they
recording us for?

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I mean, we've already been told that
it's pattern recognition, too. If the if

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the system flags another vehicle
following you multiple times, you're now

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put in the system. How do you get
removed from the system? Do we have back

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ways for that?
Chief Lines, I'd ask you to address his

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assertion that what is available on the
transparency portal is in any way

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modified or restricted.
>> I I don't believe so. But when we go

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back 12 months, what I've seen of that
data is you do not see license plates.

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You don't see you only see uh date,
time, location, you see reason. And so

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it's even limited to what is out there
past that 30 days. And that is more of

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who actually searched. And that could be
an agency in Florida that runs a plate

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that comes as a search on your your
actual flock. Anybody that you're

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sharing data with.
>> Thank you.

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» And I'll just say I think this is the
same concern I brought up previously

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when we had the work session, uh, which
is that it sounds like our internal

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controls are actually quite robust. and
I appreciate that and I I think that's a

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very important part of Belton. Um the
problem comes

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external controls that we don't have any
control over. Um and whether or not

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those players are potentially using our
data appropriately and so there's I

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don't know there's some concern there
for sure.

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» Anybody else?

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» Go ahead. So we are voting on one
>> voting on his question six about u it's

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18182
>> which is

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» number one in the packet

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» go ahead you have something else anybody
else

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» Mr. Mayor.
>> Yeah. Go ahead.

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» I just want to remind the council that
the standard um here is that this is in

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the public interest to wave the fee. Um
just might want to remind the council

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that the same individual made the same
plea previously and levied dozens of

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baseless accusations against staff and
the council. Um and then has made no uh

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attempts to uh correct the record even
though the records show that those

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accusations were false. You'll give me a
list.

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» Anybody else?
>> Hearing none. All in favor?

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» I
>> I

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» All oppose.
>> No.

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» No.
>> No.

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» Can you please state?
>> Can you do a roll call?

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» Yes, I can.
Council member Johnson,

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» no.
>> McCllum,

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» I
>> Richardson,

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» hi.
>> Lawson,

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» I.
>> Mayor Larkkey,

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» no.
>> Council member Bryan,

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» no.
>> Council member Davidson,

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» yes.
>> Council member Thompson,

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» no.
>> Council member White,

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» I

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passed.
>> Yeah. Motion passes.

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All right.

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Anybody else?

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» I'll I'll bite. Uh, Mr. City Attorney,
can you help me again?

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» Uh, a motion approving the waiver of
fees associated

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with the Steven Vodka's Sorry, I forget
the date again. What was it?

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» August 15th.
>> August 15th. Sunshine Law Request

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question eight as they are in the public
interest.

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» So moved.

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» I'll second.
>> We have a motion and a second. [snorts]

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» Go ahead. [snorts]
>> All right. Um I'm

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trying to this one specifically. I'd
like to better understand

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um

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the the concern. I mean the the I guess
I'm trying to understand the data and

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I'm hoping uh city staff can help me
understand what this data looks like and

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why we're getting to such a high cost.
>> Yes. with the request for all complaints

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and inquiries and correspondence
received by staff from the public. That

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will require an IT query of the date
range and

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the correspondence that staff has had
with members of the public. To find the

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questions, the answers back to the
members of the public will have to do a

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second query with the email addresses
that are discovered from the first

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query.
So basically is it am I understanding

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correctly that it comes to a time of
resources situation?

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» Yes.
on in the memo it states the amount of

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time that will be from my office and
then because this is the PD server the

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police department will also need to
review the findings to ensure that

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there aren't any active cases that would
need to be closed or other closed

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information that I wouldn't be aware of
>> things that might be currently

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investigated that kind of thing.

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» Okay. I was just uh I was just very
curious on the frontier of um

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of the complaints in that situation. So,
thank you for the explanation.

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» Anybody else?
>> Do you have anything since you want to

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separate it out? Um, I just don't see
the need um for the requesttor to access

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this information. Um, if he is
interested in public opinion on the

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cameras or concerns, he's very good at
engaging on Facebook and could request

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folks chime into him there. Also, I have
a feeling that when some people email us

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or the city, it is not a matter it is
not intended to be a matter of public

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record. Uh, conversely, people will come
to the council meetings much like you

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have and and state their opinions, but I
don't think any email that a ward member

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sends to me um is up to your scrutiny
necessarily. And so, in protecting

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residents who just have questions or
want to communicate with their council

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member, I don't understand the value to
the public for that. They could also

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make those statements publicly. And
you're welcome to invite them to do so.

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» Go ahead.
Yeah, I

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» piggybacking on uh what Councilman
Lawson said is um

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he has the right to ask.
>> Sure.

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» And uh I support that right, but at the
same time I don't think it rises to the

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level of public and so um u he has a
right to ask and the right to be charged

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for the time that it takes to do that.
So that's kind of where I'm at at this.

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Patrick, if Sorry.
>> No, go ahead. Um, go ahead.

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» Mr. City Attorney, if you wouldn't mind
again, um, the last time we were

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weighing these waiverss. Um, you
mentioned like obstructionist requests

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or
would you just refresh our memories on?

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» Uh, yeah, that was a bigger issue uh,
probably a couple years ago. The

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Missouri legislaturator has kind of
fine-tuned that nowadays, but there have

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been in the past. Um I've dealt with one
early on in my career in another city

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also similarly about a development that
was going into an area where single

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family homes were nearby that caused
quite a bit of contention. Um and in

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that case the requester was essentially
able due to just voluminous requests

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able to pretty much shut down most city
operations. Um, and that can occur.

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Again, there are just certain people
that have to do certain things. And like

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Andrea just mentioned, PD has to review
a lot of these emails and files due to

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the fact that they could be open
investigations or other closed reports.

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I might myself and Andrew would probably
have to review most to make sure that

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there is no personal identifiable
information that is also supposed to be

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closed under the sunshine law. Um, so
these sorts of when a request gets to

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the size of, you know,
50 plus staff hours just to work through

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it, it does have the unintended
consequence of causing other issues to

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slow down. And, you know, there's
obviously limited resources here at the

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city and staff has certain deadlines and
obligations that it has to meet. And the

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purpose of the Sunshine Law fees is to
make sure that a requesttor or anybody

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who has triggered that level of work is
also the one that is paying for that

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level of work instead of the general
taxpayers of the city.

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» So, did I hear you right that on a
request like this with 3500 roughly

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emails, you would likely be involved in
the review? I don't see any hours

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tracked for the city attorney.
>> You can't.

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» Okay. Just for you though.
>> Yeah, but you you can't charge for my

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time.
>> Okay. Thank you. Anybody

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else

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» hearing? None. Do a roll call again,
please. Andrea.

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» Yes.
>> Council member Lawson,

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» no.
>> Johnson,

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» no.
>> White,

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» no.
>> Richardson,

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» no.
>> Davidson,

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» no.
>> Bryan,

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» no.
>> Mckllum,

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» no.
>> Mayor Larkkey,

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» no.
>> Thompson,

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» no.
>> That motion fails.

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» Motion fails.

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Item G, unfinished business. Number one,
motion approving the final reading of

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bill 2026-43.
>> An ordinance approving an amended

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development and maintenance agreement
between the city of Belton and RPNT

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Autumn Woods Holdings LLC for public and
private improvements in the Autumn Woods

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subdivision.
>> Present.

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» Second.
>> Have a motion in a second. [sighs]

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Go ahead. Oh, you don't have anything?
You usually do so.

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[snorts]
>> Go with it.

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» Anybody got anything? All right. Roll
call.

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» Council member Lawson.
>> I.

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» Johnson.
>> I.

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» White.
>> I.

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00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,159
» Richardson.
>> I.

433
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,200
» Davidson.
>> Yes.

434
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,320
» Brian.
>> I.

435
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,760
» McCllum.
>> Nay.

436
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:43,440
» Mayor Larkkey.
>> Nay.

437
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:48,960
» Thompson.
>> No.

438
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:53,840
» Motion passes.
Item two, motion approving final reading

439
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:56,880
of bill 2026-47,
>> an ordinance authorizing the

440
00:33:55,279 --> 00:34:02,000
appropriation and revision of the city
of Belton fiscal year 2027 adopted city

441
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:06,320
budget to cover additional costs for the
water meter infrastructure replacement

442
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,960
implementation project and construction
at the public works facility.

443
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:15,240
» Present.
>> Second.

444
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,240
» A motion a second. Any discussion

445
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,280
hearing? None. Roll call.
>> Council member Bryan.

446
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,720
» Hi.
>> Davidson,

447
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,919
» yes.
>> Thompson,

448
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,960
» yes.
>> White,

449
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,000
» I.
>> Johnson,

450
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,200
» I.
>> McCllum,

451
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:26,159
» I.
>> Lawson,

452
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:27,440
» I.
>> Mayor Larkkey,

453
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,200
» yes.
>> Richardson,

454
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:34,000
» I.
>> Motion passes.

455
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,960
» Item three, motion approving the final
reading of bill 2026-48

456
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:43,679
as amended. an ordinance amending
appendix B traffic schedules table 4

457
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:47,200
speed zones of the code of ordinances of
the city of Belton Missouri to establish

458
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:52,079
certain speed zones
>> present

459
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:55,359
» second motion a second
>> what do you got [clears throat]

460
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:59,760
» so after last time's meeting there was a
lot of questions about where should the

461
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:05,520
beginning of the speed limit change be
at so I went and did a couple more speed

462
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,480
studies and I and I just took these
photos off of Google so don't think I

463
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,560
have some expert foot and photographer
here. I was able to label a street or

464
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:16,960
anything. So, this is Cleveland looking
northbound headed toward Cambridge, the

465
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,920
stop signs at Cambridge. And so, one of
the there's a couple things to consider

466
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:24,240
when you're doing speed limits. One,
what's the driver's perception? Is there

467
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:28,079
a change or there conflicts? Because
those are times when people will change

468
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:32,400
their speeds when something changes in
front of them or they or they uh think

469
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,400
that there's a danger ahead of them.
Someone's going to stop, someone's going

470
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,720
to pull out, something's going to
happen. That's a conflict. And so these

471
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,560
are things that we look for. So this is
looking northbound as you're going up.

472
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:47,680
You cross it, the road looks pretty much
the same. No need to change, right? You

473
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:53,200
keep going up, no need to change. We're
still going up. We're south of U

474
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:57,680
Park Avenue, but north of Cambridge,
things looks pretty much the same. Looks

475
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:01,359
pretty much the same. Looks pretty much
the same. Then all a sudden, you start

476
00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:05,040
seeing something different. So you
become a little bit more alerted. maybe

477
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:09,119
I need to slow down and maybe need to
make a change. And this is Park Avenue.

478
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,160
And then you start getting closer to
where the school's at and you can see a

479
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:18,640
dramatic change of what's in front of
you. And then uh Council Member Johnson

480
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:23,200
brought up about the difference in speed
limit. Now, this is from the same spot.

481
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:27,520
I just blew up the picture and you can
see ahead of you the signs and the

482
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:30,560
black. That's where the flashers at. So
that give you an idea what I'm talking

483
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:35,520
about. So that's how close the change
is. So, we went and did the speed limit

484
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:40,640
changes. And so, when you back up, when
you're in this area, the 85th percentile

485
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:45,520
speed is about 35 miles an hour. A
little bit further to the south is 36,

486
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:50,880
but it's consistently 35 miles an hour
till you get up here to park or just

487
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:55,440
past right here, the 85th percentile
drops to 32. And people are seeing a

488
00:36:53,280 --> 00:37:00,079
reason to slow down and begin slowing
down. So having a speed limit that's

489
00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:03,280
that changes at park is going to fit
what the circumstances are there.

490
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:07,040
Hopefully you can see the difference in
the areas and the reason why the change

491
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:12,880
would happen. Now someday if something
changes again, for instance, we bring in

492
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:16,160
a a trail out there or we change what
the park looks like, we build a

493
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:21,359
different entrance for the park, we can
revisit it again. This is not like this

494
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:25,040
is it forever. This is this is it for
today and this is the circumstance we

495
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,960
have out there for today. So because of
that and what the speeds are and what

496
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:33,359
how people are reacting, I'd recommend
that we have the speed limit change at

497
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:37,520
Park Avenue. And so it's 35 from the
South City limit to Park Avenue, then 25

498
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,480
miles an hour from there north. I'd be
happy to answer any questions that you

499
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,839
have.
>> Go ahead.

500
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,036
» I just it feels very validating when the
data backs me up. [laughter]

501
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:57,200
» Appreciate it.
>> Anybody Go ahead. I'll just say later in

502
00:37:52,400 --> 00:38:02,240
the packet um there's exhibit F for
sorry let me catch back up here uh

503
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:08,240
community development projects which
shows the Dryen Nature Preserve reserve

504
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:12,240
sorry with an entrance and exit between
Cambridge and Park on Cleveland and I

505
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,200
hear what you're saying that this isn't
a permanent speed limit sign for all

506
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:21,760
eternity but I think two things to
consider one is if we can get drivers in

507
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,720
the habit of reaching
Cambridge and being more alert. That'd

508
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:30,000
be great. And the second thing I was
trying to pull up is any school bus

509
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:33,599
routes that go on Cambridge. Um I've
also I recall residents having issues

510
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:40,079
with what they perceived as speeding
along Cambridge. So in my mind that is

511
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:44,079
still a logical place to alert drivers
that they are now in the city and there

512
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:49,280
are going to be people coming and going.
Um it's just my two cents. You're right.

513
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:53,400
It's not permanent, but I still like the
idea of having that start at Cambridge.

514
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:04,400
» Anybody else?
>> So, the motion on the table as amended

515
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:08,480
is to start at Park Avenue.
So, just so you're familiar with what we

516
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,800
did. So,
>> the reduction at Park Avenue.

517
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:18,240
» Yeah, the reduction starts at Park
Avenue. I I'll just I'll just throw add

518
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:22,560
in there. I I agree with Council Member
Lawson. Um but I think the most

519
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:26,720
important piece to this is that this is
now and we can always adjust for the

520
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,800
future and I think we should be doing
that across the city. You know, we

521
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:35,599
should always be looking to adjust in
the future. I've personally um had to I

522
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,119
don't know deal with is not the right
word, but I've experienced that. That's

523
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:44,640
the word. I've experienced that on and
you know in Ward One um right outside my

524
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:49,520
neighborhood when it uh was changed. So
I think uh I think it's you know

525
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,480
important to note for now and we can
always adjust in the future.

526
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:59,760
» Anybody else
hearing? None. Roll call.

527
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,280
» Mayor Larkkey.
>> Yes.

528
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,320
» Council member Johnson.
>> I.

529
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,280
» Brian.
>> I.

530
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,400
» White.
>> I.

531
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,440
» Richardson.
>> I.

532
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,040
» Mallum.
>> Hi.

533
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,200
» Lawson. I
>> Thompson.

534
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:12,400
» Yes. Davidson.
>> Yes.

535
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:16,960
» Motion passes.
New business. One motion approving the

536
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:21,760
number one. Motion approving the first
reading of bill 2026-49.

537
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:25,200
» An ordinance authorizing acceptance of
funds and execution of a grant agreement

538
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:29,040
with the Missouri Department of Public
Safety from the Emergency Management

539
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,440
Performance Grant for a total award
amount of $89,510.30.

540
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,760
» Present.
>> Second.

541
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,560
» We have a motion and a second. you're
up.

542
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:42,960
» Uh good evening, mayor and council. Uh
each year the city of Belton applies for

543
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:47,040
the 50% local match emergency management
performance grant. This provides

544
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,640
important funding in support of the
city's emergency management program. It

545
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:54,480
helps offset costs um that are
associated with maintaining our

546
00:40:52,640 --> 00:41:00,079
capabilities in emergency management as
well. Uh the awarded funds will be used

547
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:04,480
to supplement the salary um of my
position and the city has budgeted a 50%

548
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:10,640
match of that total grant award to come
out of the fiscal year 26 and fiscal

549
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:15,440
year 27 budgets. Um because this signed
agreement is uh due to be returned to

550
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:19,920
the state by September 15th. I am also
requesting that council approve a double

551
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:24,000
read of the ordinance this evening so
that we can meet that required deadline.

552
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,319
» Happy to answer any questions. Any
questions?

553
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:30,400
» Go ahead.
>> So, if we don't do a double read, it

554
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,359
would cost the city money, correct?
Because I'm guessing you wouldn't work

555
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,720
for half pay. [snorts]
>> I'd rather not. Yes.

556
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:40,079
» Okay. [laughter]
>> So, this is to save taxpayers money. All

557
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,920
joking aside.
>> Yes.

558
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,640
» All right. Thank you.
>> Go ahead.

559
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:48,960
» This is more of a general question. Um,
do we have any other positions that are

560
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:53,440
either partially or fully grant funded?
>> I'm thinking police co-responder, the

561
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:58,960
mental health co-responders one.
Is that the only other one?

562
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:02,640
» Uh, I believe the victim advocate too.
>> Gotcha. Okay.

563
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:06,160
» And it and this may not be apples to
apples, but correct me if I'm wrong

564
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:10,960
here, but I believe we also get grants
for various specialized positions within

565
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,920
the police. Um, that may not cover their
half or full salary, but covers

566
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,319
certainly a portion of the overtime,
that kind of thing.

567
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:25,599
Off the top of my head, I can't think of
any positions. We do get grants for

568
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:28,800
specialized duties through like um
traffic safety, hazardous moving, that

569
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,680
kind of stuff.
>> Yeah, maybe I guess maybe that's what I

570
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,200
was talking about. Yeah,
>> go ahead.

571
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:41,400
» Do you uh know off the top of your head
how many years we've applied for this

572
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,400
grant and received it?

573
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:53,079
» I think it goes prior to me being police
chief in 2021. It may go back at least

574
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,079
10 years. I know it's at least 15.

575
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:58,560
» That's what I was thinking.
>> It's at least 15.

576
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,200
» She's positive it's been as long as
she's been here.

577
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,680
» Yes.
>> Um I'm assuming you wrote and submitted

578
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,760
your own grant application for this.
>> Yes.

579
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,599
» Way to sing for your supper. That is
like a that [laughter] is a talent in

580
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,000
our emergency management director. We
maybe didn't select in the hiring

581
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,920
process, but good job.
>> Thank you. [snorts]

582
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,880
» Anybody else?
>> Hearing none. All in favor?

583
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:25,440
» I.
>> Any opposed? Motion passes.

584
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,760
» Motion for second reading.
>> Second.

585
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,240
» We have a motion and a second for a
second reading.

586
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:36,000
» Any discussion on the motion and a
second for a second reading. Go ahead.

587
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:41,920
» I very much appreciated Council Member
Bryan's uh point here, which is that uh

588
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:45,440
not doing so would cost the taxpayers
money.

589
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Well, just and just to be clear that we
had this on the agenda last meeting, but

590
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:52,400
we had some issues with some language
that we got wanted to get cleared up.

591
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,440
So, that's why we delayed it. So, that's
why we're behind the eightball on this.

592
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,440
So,
>> anybody else on the motion to for a

593
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,599
second reading? Hearing none. All in
favor?

594
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:07,119
» I.
>> Any opposed? Motion passes.

595
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Motion approving the second reading of
bill 2026-49.

596
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:14,800
» An ordinance authorizing acceptance of
funds and execution of a grant agreement

597
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:18,480
with the Missouri Department of Public
Safety from the Emergency Management

598
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:22,359
Performance Grant for a total award
amount of $89,510.30.

599
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,839
» Present.
>> Second.

600
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,640
» We have a motion second. Any more
discussion?

601
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,400
» Hearing none. Roll call.
>> Council member Richardson.

602
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,680
» I.
>> Thompson.

603
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,720
» Yes.
>> Brian.

604
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:33,839
» I.
>> Davidson.

605
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,440
» Yes.
>> Johnson.

606
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,480
» I. White
>> I

607
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:37,520
» Lawson
>> I

608
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,800
» McCllum
>> I

609
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:43,760
» Mayor Larkkey
>> I motion passes

610
00:44:42,255 --> 00:44:48,160
[clears throat]
>> two motion approving first reading bill

611
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:52,079
2026-51
>> an ordinance amending chapter 15 article

612
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,160
2 of the code of ordinances of the city
of Belton Missouri to establish certain

613
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:58,319
requirements related to the habitability
of property in the city

614
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:03,920
» present
>> second a motion a second you're up sir

615
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:09,280
» Mr. Mayor and Council, before you on in
this uh ordinance essentially is a

616
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:14,480
response to lots of questions in the
public. Uh many coming from council

617
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:18,960
members themselves about uh individuals
uh being allowed to inhabit or sleep in

618
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:25,760
areas of the city on private property
that lack basic amenities that would

619
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:30,640
normally make a property habitable. Um,
again, we had the work session on this

620
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:35,040
and we we specifically did not want to
make put any added burden on anybody who

621
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:39,040
might be homeless or houseless. And so
that that's not how this was written.

622
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:44,640
This was written essentially to uh try
to ensure that property owners carry the

623
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:51,440
burden to provide the basic habitable
necessities that are established by our

624
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:55,440
code in in other areas. Um, and uh, it's
not designed to be overly orous, but you

625
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,839
know, basic things like clean running
water, adequate sanitary and sewer

626
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:04,000
facilities, electric power, compliant
with code, light air, and ventilation,

627
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:08,720
uh, protection from the elements, and
adequate access to heating are

628
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:15,040
essentially what we're asking um,
property owners to to provide to anybody

629
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:19,520
who might be habiting their location.
And so, I would be glad to stand for any

630
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,871
questions.
Go ahead. [clears throat]

631
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,240
» I saw him burn.
>> That's fine.

632
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:30,160
» Go ahead.
>> It says the uh the readily available the

633
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,160
services like water, bathroom, stuff
like that.

634
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:37,280
» Yeah.
>> I would like it to say that it has to be

635
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:42,560
available 24 hours of the day all the
time versus readily available could mean

636
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,680
10 minutes a day.
>> I that's not how I would define. I guess

637
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,880
that's a question for the city attorney.
My understanding is readily available

638
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,640
would mean available at any point in
time.

639
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,800
» Yeah. Ready and available access means
that they always have to have access to

640
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,520
it.
>> Okay.

641
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:01,280
» It's not again that that would be like
if we allowed a landlord to rent a house

642
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,079
to somebody and then they put a timer on
the bathroom door that said you couldn't

643
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,280
use it from
>> Okay.

644
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,200
» you know 12 hours.
>> Well, as long as that's what we're going

645
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,520
to go by.
>> Yeah.

646
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:15,200
» Go ahead.
>> Well, Council Member Richardson kind of

647
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:20,960
stole a little bit of my question. So,
uh, if a landlord

648
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:24,480
left the house unlocked for someone to
come in and out, then that would be

649
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:30,000
readily available and they could still
sleep outside.

650
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:34,240
Is that my understanding of this?
>> That's a good question.

651
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,760
» You I thought he said sheltered from the
elements.

652
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,200
Well, it depends upon
>> having it available and and the purpose

653
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:44,560
the person utilizing it might be two
different things. But

654
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,920
» again, sufficient protection from the
elements is also key. And again, we

655
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,800
didn't one of the reasons why the
ordinance was kind of switched to this

656
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,599
is we didn't want to go over broad and
end up capturing people, you know,

657
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,520
camping with their kids in their
backyard. [snorts] So, instead it was

658
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:02,720
focused on the habitability of the
structure. I would also note that um it

659
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:07,920
is not common, and Casey can correct me
if I'm wrong, for landlords to leave

660
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,760
open their property to the elements and
to keep on water service that they will

661
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:16,079
have to pay for for other people to
utilize or electrical as well.

662
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:21,440
» Well, I was thinking of people that are
sleeping in someone's backyard, not

663
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:24,480
necessarily landlords.
>> Go ahead.

664
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:30,640
» You stole my question.
>> Sorry. I I want to get a little deeper

665
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:36,400
into that. Um let's just go with the
scenario that was presented in front of

666
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:45,520
us. We had somebody sleeping on a piece
of property, you know, on Main Street um

667
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:51,920
under a overhang uh of sorts.
would that person have been? And if they

668
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:57,839
were allowed to go in for water and
restroom and you know and if the tornado

669
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:02,160
came through, take shelter, that kind of
thing, would they meet this definition?

670
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:05,760
I would also note that sufficient
protection from the elements being

671
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:10,079
readily available would mean that the in
that case the church would have had to

672
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:14,240
keep their door unlocked 24/7 because
readily a ready and available means that

673
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:18,480
you can access them without anybody else
needing to come in and provide consent.

674
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:24,400
» Well, let's just say they did that.
Let's say they their door was unlocked.

675
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:28,400
The person was on the the front porch.
Is that is that allowable under this

676
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,839
code? I
>> I think you can argue that it's not

677
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,280
because of the extreme temperature
changes.

678
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:39,359
» Well, I appreciate that, but I guess I'd
like to know officially.

679
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:43,119
» I don't know how we would in in
>> one of the things was we went down the

680
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:48,720
same rabbit hole when it came to trying
to go with the camping sort of

681
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:52,960
situation. So, there's only two routes
we can go down. And so if we didn't

682
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:57,119
think that camping was probably gonna
get it done or be done in a manner that

683
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:01,119
we could kind of fit it in, which I
don't think most of staff thought we

684
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:05,599
could, this is kind of the this is the
route. And I I know that hypotheticals

685
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:08,160
like again that one I do not believe
that any of

686
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:13,040
» I know I know that's why I actually
didn't say hypothetical when I started

687
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,800
this because the a lawyer's worst, you
know, words.

688
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,599
» I mean, I'll just say under the facts
that were presented to the city based on

689
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:22,960
what was occurring, they were in
violation of this. Now, if they changed

690
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:29,440
that to do a bunch of other stuff, aka
allowed them the ability to go inside at

691
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:34,400
all times and gave them a key,
maybe they could be outside of the scope

692
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:39,760
of this, but that didn't happen. And so,
we don't know what the extent of that

693
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:44,000
would be. Okay. And to to play devil's
advocate, what would if how would we go

694
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:49,280
further than this and and stop someone
like yourself from wanting to sleep on

695
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:53,200
your porch at any point in time
for any reason you when you have readily

696
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,520
access to everything else? I mean,
again, are we going to at some point we

697
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:59,680
don't want to infringe on people's
individual liberties. We we just want to

698
00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:03,440
make sure that they have the the
protections that they deserve.

699
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:08,640
» Yep. Solid point. I just uh I wanted to
make sure I understood uh more

700
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:14,480
specifically there. Thank you.
>> Go ahead.

701
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:19,119
» What is our policy if one's if someone
gets their water shut off and how many

702
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:22,720
days do they have to get it turned back
on before

703
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:26,079
it's considered?
>> Um so honestly water shut off to a

704
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:30,640
building is already considered a
dangerous structure that we can order

705
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:33,920
them to vacate. Um so our again
typically if somebody gets their water

706
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:39,920
shut off and we know they're attempting
to reside in a structure that does not

707
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:46,079
have adequate access to facil does not
have adequate facilities which is

708
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:50,400
defined in our uh udc we have a couple
times not every time again because there

709
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:54,000
are extenduating circumstances somebody
could be like I'm coming down tomorrow

710
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:59,200
to pay it don't write me the notice of
dangerous building and kick me out but

711
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:01,599
we have uh ordered vacated structure in
town when somebody did not have running

712
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,960
water.
>> So technically you get your water shut

713
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:08,319
off one day, they could be at your door
the next day evicting them.

714
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,240
» Well, that would be well that's under
the IRC.

715
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,920
» Not evicting them, but yeah,
>> that's under the international

716
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:19,760
residential code requires if there is
not adequate facilities which it defines

717
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:24,160
as water sewer then a structure is
determined to be dangerous and that is a

718
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:28,400
again that was not written by anybody
here that is the international code

719
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:31,640
council. Okay,
>> go ahead.

720
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,760
» Let me come back because I just forgot
it actually.

721
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:39,680
» Go ahead.
>> Uh, can you walk us through what

722
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,000
enforcement of this would look like,
say, in the situation we had on Main

723
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:47,520
Street this summer? If this had been in
effect, what would the process have

724
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:53,280
been?
>> That's a good question. Um,

725
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:58,400
it's a code violation. So, a a a
courtesy notice to start and then a

726
00:52:55,359 --> 00:53:03,240
citation for the uh property owner.
That's generally how we've handled code

727
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,240
violations in the past.

728
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:14,079
» I I will add to that that while this was
going on this summer, I did reach out to

729
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:18,160
someone higher up in the church
organization downtown and they said, "We

730
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:25,160
know you don't have an ordinance, so we
know you can't do nothing to us." and

731
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:25,160
they told me that on the phone. So,

732
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:30,319
so just to to kind of answer what your
question is, this this will give us

733
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,000
something.
>> We could technically I mean normal code

734
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,280
violation notice is how that's handled,
but we could we could always technically

735
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:40,480
say it's not habitable and you're not
allowed to stay there.

736
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,240
» I guess
>> essentially post it like we do would

737
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:49,440
another property.
I I just want to be able to visualize

738
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:53,440
what like the final logical conclusion
of this would be. If we write a courtesy

739
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:59,520
notice, then we write a code violation,
then at some point we abate it. It's a a

740
00:53:56,079 --> 00:54:04,480
human. You know what I mean?
>> Well, I would also note that this

741
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:10,079
ordinance is directed at the property
owner and less at the actual person

742
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:14,640
occupying the premises. So, it would be
a fine. And then honestly, if somebody

743
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:19,200
continued to violate this, my suggestion
would be to actually go to the circuit

744
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:24,000
court and get an injunction
because again, you are correct. It

745
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:27,040
abatement is
>> kind of a weird term for

746
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,000
» a question mark.
>> Yeah, that's

747
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:34,880
» and and so if the situation were to
arise in that setting, I would suggest

748
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:38,079
instead of abating it in that manner,
because I don't know how you do it,

749
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:42,000
would would we just pick up all of his
stuff and set it on the sidewalk?

750
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:46,720
something like that. Instead, it would
be I would suggest that we go to Cass

751
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:50,640
County and get an injunction
uh against the property owner making it

752
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:55,342
so that they would be defying a court
order and could be held in contempt of

753
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:57,920
court by Cass County if they
[clears throat] did not comply with the

754
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,760
injunction.
>> Okay. Thank you.

755
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:05,119
» Go ahead.
>> So, if someone doesn't have gets their

756
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,720
water shut off, we could go the next day
>> Yeah.

757
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:14,079
» and and remove them from the premises.
Correct. Uh we can we can put we've

758
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:18,079
boarded properties up
>> the next day. We could

759
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:21,200
» Yeah. And they and they could sleep
outside and then if they were sleeping

760
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,839
outside, we would write them another
ticket and then we'd also end up in the

761
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,079
same situation if they were sleeping
outside.

762
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,599
» But in this situation, same thing. No
water. They could be there for months.

763
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:32,480
» Well, yeah, but the issue is the
difference in what abatement looks like.

764
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,839
Abatement to stop somebody from going
into a home is putting up boards on a

765
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,960
wall. Again, they could then sleep
outside. And then if they were sleeping

766
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:43,920
outside, we would be in the same
situation where what does abatement look

767
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:47,760
like? Does it look like, you know,
driving out there and throwing away a

768
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:52,240
bunch of tents and moving people's
property? I would in that case as well

769
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:55,520
suggest that our route would be an
injunction to the circuit court, which

770
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,960
we did in a case in Loanjack that was
somewhat similar to the hypothetical I

771
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:05,839
just gave.
>> Okay, go ahead. Uh

772
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:10,000
under A, it says it shall be unlawful
for any person, firm, corporation, or

773
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:15,200
entity owning or controlling property in
the city to permit.

774
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:20,400
Uh
there's been several situations where

775
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:27,280
I've driven
and see people sleeping on the sidewalk,

776
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:31,839
for example, underneath the interstate
uh 49

777
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:33,440
at 4:00 in the morning, 5:00 in the
morning.

778
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:37,920
» The government is not a person or
entity.

779
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:44,040
» So they can do that without without
having an issue.

780
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,040
Okay. Anybody

781
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:47,319
else?

782
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:53,359
» Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I I

783
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:58,720
» Any opposed?
Motion passes.

784
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:01,280
One consent or I consent agenda one
motion not available to approve the

785
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:04,079
recommendation noted. Any member of this
council may ask for the item be taken

786
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,960
from the consent agenda for discussion
and separate action.

787
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,720
» Present.
>> Second.

788
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:12,559
» Motion in a second. Any discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor?

789
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,280
» I
>> I.

790
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:21,520
» Any opposed? Motion passes. Ports,
boards, commissions, park board, public

791
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:26,079
arts commission.
K. Communication with city council.

792
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:29,760
Council member White.
>> I don't have anything today.

793
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:33,839
» Council member Thompson.
>> I don't have anything today.

794
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:37,440
» Council member Davidson.
>> Um, [clears throat] I just want to

795
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:43,359
remind everybody that this Saturday is
the fall crawl. There will be 40 plus

796
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:47,839
vendors set up inside and outside of
different businesses.

797
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:54,319
Um there'll be yoga at 8 o'clock at Pal
Park, music, magic show. Um just a lot

798
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:57,040
of fun. Thanks,
>> Council Member Prime.

799
00:57:55,359 --> 00:58:03,280
» I have nothing.
>> Member Lawson. Um, I would just remind

800
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:08,079
folks to stop at school buses with the
stop arm out and note that the school

801
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:11,359
district has cameras on those uh to
catch folks if they don't. And as a

802
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,480
parent whose child rides a school bus
and there's a little kid across the

803
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:19,200
street who has to cross Mill to get on
her bus, I'm glad for that.

804
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:24,480
» Council member Richardson.
>> Um, I just want to suggest the downtown

805
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:29,839
Belt Main Street is hosting the fall
craw fall crawl this Saturday, September

806
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:32,960
12th. as council member Davidson said,
um, support our downtown businesses,

807
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:38,160
enjoy everything on Main Street has to
offer. Um, the Belt and Chamber has on

808
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:43,940
September 23rd the Kansas City Symphony
will be per performing free music in

809
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:47,680
Wallace Park from 5:30 to 7:30.
[clears throat and cough] And then on

810
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:51,119
September 24th, the Belton Chamber is
they still have openings for the

811
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:55,440
glow-in-the-dark golf tournament um at
Eagles Landing. This will be the final

812
00:58:53,599 --> 00:59:00,640
year for the tournament, so don't miss
your chance to be a part of it. Thanks,

813
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:05,520
» Council Member McCllum.
>> Um,

814
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:08,799
there's what, two weeks left now to uh
put your or maybe not even a full two

815
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:12,319
weeks, but anyways, there we're there's
still time if you want to apply for the

816
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:16,720
Charter Review Board. Uh, want to remind
people to continue to apply for that.

817
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:21,280
Um,
I I got to give a shout out to our

818
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:27,040
police department who uh actually last
night the railroad uh the Belton

819
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:33,200
Historical Railroad received some
vandalism and was caught literally

820
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:37,359
moments after it happened. All because
they were doing a um driveby and

821
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:42,400
happened to notice something that looked
suspicious and um did a phenomenal job

822
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:46,480
of following up on that. And I just
really want to give this shout out there

823
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:53,440
because it it it's a it's an unfortunate
thing to um have to deal with and I'm

824
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:59,760
I'm hopeful that we're getting to the
more positive side of of dealing with

825
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:04,000
those kinds of things. Um I also got to
bring up schools uh because especially

826
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:07,119
specifically in Ward One uh there's been
a lot there's I mean there's always

827
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:11,440
chatter around drop off and pickup. I
know. Um but Ward One, there's been a

828
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:16,079
lot of conversation around Kentucky
Trail and um and so I had some

829
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,559
conversation with the city manager and I
know that we've um talked about the

830
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:24,000
police presence there is also traffic
light timing. I saw public works out

831
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:26,160
there working on that. Um so we're
already seeing some improvements, but I

832
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:29,760
just want to say thank you to the
residents for bringing that up. Um and

833
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:36,400
the city's going to try to help out the
schools, you know, in any way we can um

834
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:42,880
on that front. Um,
switching to parks updates. I uh there

835
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:47,680
was not a meeting in between that this
our last meeting. So, nothing uh new to

836
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:51,839
add from an upcoming perspective. I'll
just note they still need lifeguards.

837
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:58,000
The farmers market is still going on
Thursdays uh 4 to 7. Registration has

838
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:01,520
opened for youth basketball. Um, oh, and
HighBlue is running a special right now

839
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:08,000
where if you join in the month of
September, there will be a um there will

840
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:11,760
be no enrollment fee at all. So, um, so
just uh something to consider. And then

841
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:16,319
they have a bunch of events going on
coming up. I've already mentioned all

842
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:21,119
them, so I'm not going to repeat myself.
And that's everything I have.

843
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,680
» Council member Johnson,
>> I hope everybody had a good Labor Day

844
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:28,079
weekend even though it was
extraordinarily hot. Um looking forward

845
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:31,599
to some cooler weather tomorrow. Um also
would echo council member McCllum. Uh if

846
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,920
you're interested in being on the
charter review commission, please send

847
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:39,520
in your application. Um also echo the
fall crawl is this weekend on Main

848
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:43,200
Street and encourage everyone to
participate in that. And the Belt and

849
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:48,400
Railroad Days is the following Saturday
on the 19th from 10 to 4 um with lots of

850
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,760
activities for families and I think
there's some corresponding events on

851
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:55,440
Main Street as well and would ask
everybody to participate in those. I

852
01:01:53,119 --> 01:02:00,160
think it'll be a lot of fun. Um, and
that's all I've got.

853
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:03,599
» All right. Uh, only thing I got is a
save the date. Uh, set the date for

854
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:07,880
Mayor's Christmas tree lighting, which
will be November the 28th.

855
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:13,680
Uh, city manager.
>> Mr. Mayor, I only have one thing, and

856
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:18,079
that is that after the recent storms
this weekend, um, and the the heavy

857
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:22,720
winds that we had on one of those
evenings, um, we are going to be opening

858
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:26,319
the limb drop off for any residents who
might want to utilize it. Um, I believe

859
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:30,640
they'll be open tomorrow and Thursday.
Um, look, you can look for some

860
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:35,200
correspondence on on our uh marketing uh
Facebook pages specifically on on uh the

861
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:42,119
time for those. But
>> is that used often? I mean, do we have a

862
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:42,119
really good turnout when those are open?

863
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:48,880
» We did after the tornado have a lot of
people come by and then after one storm

864
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,160
that we had, we did have a few residents
come by. Uh there's other times that

865
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:55,463
nobody's come. So,
>> but I mean, but it's it's nice to have

866
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:59,119
it. I think I' I've dropped off brush
[snorts] more than one time there.

867
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:02,880
» Yeah. There you go.
>> Sorry. I just want to add to that. I

868
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:06,319
appreciate that a lot. I've gotten I I
I'm assuming after the other storm

869
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:10,240
you're mentioning, I've gotten a lot of,
uh, you know, residents talking to me

870
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:14,079
about thanking me for, you know, um,
having that open, that kind of thing.

871
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:17,119
So, it's even on the ones where maybe no
one shows up because they took care of

872
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,599
it themselves or whatever, I know it's
appreciated.

873
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:24,319
» I would echo that. I had a neighbor who
took five loads of down limbs and was

874
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:28,559
very happy to have that limb drop off. I
was much appreciated.

875
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:33,680
» Hey, I I appreciate that, too. Um, and I
know tomorrow and Thursday and I know a

876
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,520
lot of people have a hard time doing it
during the week. Is there any way to do

877
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:42,160
like couple two or three hours on a
Saturday or something or not? I just

878
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:46,554
thought I'd throw it out there, but
>> we'll see what we can do.

879
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:48,640
» Yeah. Thank you.
[snorts]

880
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:52,400
» Anybody else?
All right. Items for review and

881
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:55,920
discussion. Number one, Y belt and plaza
tiff.

882
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,240
» All right, Mr. Mayor, I'm not going to
talk too much about this other than just

883
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:05,280
to say that the Y belt and tiff um has
some restrictions on users and I know

884
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:08,799
that the developer of that area has a
potential user that right now would

885
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:12,720
potentially be restricted. So, I think
he'd like for you all to consider an

886
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:16,240
amendment to the TIFF. So, I'm not going
to talk too much about it, but I'm going

887
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:19,920
to invite David Christie up to discuss
um what he's looking for and what uh the

888
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:23,280
the limit is that there are no
automotive uses essentially, I believe

889
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:28,880
is what the limit says for the TIFF. And
I think he's got one specific user that

890
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:31,880
in a spot that uh hasn't developed yet.
So,

891
01:04:45,504 --> 01:04:47,524
[snorts]

892
01:04:53,364 --> 01:04:55,384
[snorts]

893
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:03,839
» Distinguished Council members, Mr.
Mayor, appreciate the opportunity to

894
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:08,319
visit David Christie.
Um,

895
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,839
excited to be in front of you. I wanted
to

896
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:16,559
um
I'd like to take a minute if you don't

897
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:23,359
mind to
open up uh both my life and my

898
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:29,599
development uh credentials and what what
I've done uh with the city's help truly

899
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:36,880
um in Belt and in other communities in
Cass County. Um, it's been an incredible

900
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:42,880
partnership going back to u over 20
years with when I uh brought Home Depot

901
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:47,200
to the market and uh I've worked with
five probably five different

902
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:52,799
administrations
and u it's just been a it's just been a

903
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:59,200
wonderful ride for me. So, I'm excited
about um the Gateway project, but I

904
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:07,680
wanted to take a couple minutes
to uh invite questions about

905
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:12,960
about what I've done. Um
if I haven't done something, why ha

906
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:16,559
haven't I not done it? Uh you know, and
those types of things. And if you know,

907
01:06:14,319 --> 01:06:21,760
if you guys would if the mayor would
allow that to have a little question and

908
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:27,599
answers period. Um, it's a little bit
sad for me because every single council

909
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:32,640
member, nearly every single one has had
my personal phone numbers

910
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:38,720
» for 25 years and they've called me and
I've called them and I've met them for

911
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:46,079
coffee and I just don't feel like I have
um a relationship with you all and uh

912
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:51,599
the way that the council the council
members and this city and and you

913
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:55,599
basically
um I used to call you alderman.

914
01:06:53,839 --> 01:07:01,200
Everything everything has changed so you
know over so many years. But um is they

915
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:05,920
shared ideas with me
like when I when I talked to the mayor

916
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:09,119
and Joe about what they wanted on the
property that I bought from you all.

917
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:15,039
They said Olive Garden and I went and
got Olive Garden and I moved Olive

918
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:18,640
Garden from the Gateway project because
that's where I had a letter of intent

919
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:23,680
signed but with Olive Garden with
Darden. and I showed them this property

920
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:28,640
where they're currently open and they
said, "We like that better." And I said,

921
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:35,839
"Great. So, let's go do it." But I can't
please this council or anybody else if I

922
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:39,119
don't know number one that what I'm
doing right because I do a lot of things

923
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:44,640
wrong.
But if you all share these things with

924
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:49,760
me, then it allows me to be a better
tool for you in your city to do the

925
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:55,599
projects that you need done.
So, you all may know I bought 100 I

926
01:07:52,640 --> 01:08:00,000
bought 171st in homes. I'm trying to do
a big grocery store powder center there

927
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:07,119
next to Lock Lloyd.
Um I Ive redeveloped the Y58 project uh

928
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:13,039
that the Constantinos were not able to
lease and we just signed another lease

929
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:20,480
today. So, that's really going well. I
built the the other place project in

930
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:26,640
Valvaline. Um, I've provided uh a copy
of a signed letter of intent from Swig

931
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:31,040
that we signed in late June and I'm
trying to make that project go forward.

932
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:39,199
They came in and reviewed it and they're
worried about the size of the land is 39

933
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:45,839
acres. So, it's a pretty substantial
substantially small piece of property.

934
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:50,159
And so, um, they said, "We want to make
sure that we can lay out and get traffic

935
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:57,040
in and out of this project because
everybody knows when the swig goes in

936
01:08:53,040 --> 01:09:03,520
there, the traffic is just monumental."
>> So, anyway, so I provided that um for I

937
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:08,480
think some of the council members have
had questions about uh Swig and what was

938
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:13,440
going to happen there. So there's
there's a signing agreement that I

939
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:18,960
signed in June, but I just I just really
want to have a better relationship with

940
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:24,799
you because I I try to do what um you
guys asked me to do because you guys are

941
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:32,400
speaking for the citizens of Belton and
I've been here a long time and so um I'm

942
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:40,239
trying to get Gateway developed.
I've learned as re as as recently as

943
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:45,520
today that uh the beeferoo deal is now
the neers deal and I did the deal with

944
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:50,000
neers after flying to Utah to meet with
them and look at their concept and I

945
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:55,280
loved it. I thought this is like Panera.
This is going to be amazing. And the

946
01:09:52,159 --> 01:10:00,320
folks that were running it, the fourh
four foods group, I think is the their

947
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:04,960
name, you know, ended up having about 80
or 90 stores and then the owners of of

948
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:08,719
of
Neers

949
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:14,400
refused to sell the concept and
everything in in its entirety to them.

950
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:19,199
So they bought the Neers Group out
and then they closed all their stores

951
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:24,640
including the one at 119th
and Metcap in front of Target. Who can't

952
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:31,280
make money there?
So it was just terrible. So, as a city

953
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:36,480
and as a developer and as a community,
we've lived with a black eye with the

954
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:42,320
neers project and it's really hurt my
pad marketing.

955
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:46,080
When we decided to do this project, I
invited

956
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:50,480
u the council members and they I think
there was a an actually like a task

957
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:56,080
force that said these are the tenants
we'd like to see in our city.

958
01:10:54,080 --> 01:11:02,239
So, but they're essentially like
attached, I think, Joe, to to the tiff

959
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:09,600
agreement. This is what we want. So, the
previous administration, uh, Mayor Davis

960
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:15,040
asked me not to do fast food.
And out of respect for him, because he

961
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:20,640
he was he was a good leader just like
Mayor Mary's a great guy and great

962
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:27,120
leader, I didn't do it. So, we're trying
to develop that. I spent

963
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:32,000
I believe it's 11 to 12 million dollars
building Turner Road and Marky Parkway

964
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:39,760
of my own money that I would like to get
back by having this project completed

965
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:46,480
and I'm excited about it. So, um, but
I've done everything I could. I I

966
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:51,520
flew and met with Costco. I put the land
under contract, which is now going to be

967
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:57,520
the Petra project. I put the land under
under uh contract to negotiate the the

968
01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:04,560
Costco deal. So, I've done everything
that I can within my power to bring

969
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:09,280
retailers that make Belton
successful and a place that people want

970
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:13,600
to live. And when I shared with the
council many moons ago, a different

971
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:19,679
obviously a different body, how are you
going to get companies like like that

972
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:23,840
went in uh North Point's project when
they can't? There's no department

973
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:28,239
stores. And so when I brought Kohl's and
negotiated that project, I said, "You

974
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:32,159
got to have a department store in your
city so that the wives, if they're if

975
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:35,760
their husbands are being transferred
here or they're thinking about bringing

976
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:40,159
the company here, they've got some
services." And that's what this whole

977
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:46,480
this whole thing has been about with me
over the years. So, I'd like to invite

978
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:51,760
anybody that has questions about me, uh
my life, uh the project, these projects

979
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:56,719
that I've done here. I'm happy to answer
them for one minute or two and then I'll

980
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:59,840
talk about the uh the project there at
Gateway and we can finish uh our

981
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:03,679
conversations.
>> Go ahead.

982
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:07,360
» Uh thank you for being here. Um, I have
great respect for what you've done, but

983
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:13,840
I'm going to tell you my personal
opinion. I don't want anything there.

984
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:18,960
I want it to be because of what's coming
down around the corner, the big process.

985
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:23,040
I'd like to have some vacant land, some
little things for for parks, for

986
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:28,480
something there that people can still
see grass before they start going around

987
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:33,280
the corner and seeing Petra. So, that's
just my personal opinion. And if you

988
01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:38,239
could do something that would promote
that, I would be thoroughly involved

989
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:41,520
with that. But I do appreciate every
effort that you've made. I just don't

990
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:47,120
necessarily agree with every effort. But
that doesn't mean it's not a good idea.

991
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:51,400
I just have a personal opinion.
>> Thank you.

992
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,400
» Anybody else?

993
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:57,360
» Oh, sorry.
>> Yeah, I'll agree. Credit where credit's

994
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:01,120
due. a lot of kind of the creature
comforts and and things folks have come

995
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,880
to enjoy in Belton have been your handy
work. Olive Garden is a feather in all

996
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:09,600
of our caps. Uh even though you did a
lot of the heavy lifting, um I will say

997
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:15,679
this concept, I don't know how
privileged it is, but um I'm a fan. So

998
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:17,360
there's that.
>> Go ahead.

999
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:21,840
» Yeah, I appreciate everything you've
done for Beldon, too. Thanks.

1000
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:25,896
» Thank you. Been a pleasure.
>> Anybody else? [snorts]

1001
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:30,480
Oh,
>> Mr. Mayor, if I may, I I didn't realize

1002
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,360
at the time when we did this work
session that he's wanting to do to have

1003
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,480
keep some of this information
privileged.

1004
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,040
» We we do have on the agenda for
executive session real estate and

1005
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,679
things. If he wanted to hang out a few
minutes and get get to the executive

1006
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,719
session, we could put him at the
beginning and he and he could be more

1007
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:47,280
detailed about the individual
>> Yeah, we can do that.

1008
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,239
» Stuff if he's if he's concerned with the
confidentiality on some of this stuff.

1009
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:53,600
Uh do you want to hang out?
>> So, I mean the rents in there,

1010
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,000
» that's a signed letter of intent.
>> Yeah. the rents in there, what they're

1011
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:58,719
doing.
>> Of course,

1012
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:02,719
» they don't want it public and there's an
open records obviously we just heard

1013
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,560
that a little bit.
>> We'll do that.

1014
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:07,360
» I'm just saying we can push we can
postpone the rest of this discussion for

1015
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,560
a few minutes until we get to executive
session when it is a privileged

1016
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,800
conversation and the rest of the public
isn't available to see that.

1017
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,199
» Whatever you all prefer.
>> Yeah.

1018
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,920
» You you okay with that, Patrick?
>> Yeah.

1019
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,679
» All right.
>> I and I do have some questions. So,

1020
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:25,040
» that's fine. All right.
So, hang out for a few minutes, please.

1021
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:28,920
to code enforcement parking driveways
presented by city manager.

1022
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:40,239
All right. Um we're this is the third in
five installments we're discussing

1023
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,880
discussing code enforcement and it
doesn't need to take up all of our time,

1024
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:47,199
but I just would like a little bit of
feedback. Um specifically today, I'd

1025
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:53,199
like to discuss the driveways and
parking um in residential, specifically

1026
01:15:49,679 --> 01:15:58,880
single family residential. Um I've
provided at your uh at the uh you know

1027
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:04,080
kind of the existing code in section uh
26 of our code and ordinances uh uh

1028
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:08,320
discussing residential driveways. You
know um 2652

1029
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:15,040
is you know driveway sizes and coverage
limits. Of course those things um the

1030
01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:20,480
existence of this code comes came after
a lot of the housing stock in our city

1031
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:24,480
was built. So, um, obviously, yes, any
new residential is going to have to

1032
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:28,640
abide by these, uh, guidelines
essentially, but that doesn't take into

1033
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:32,800
account the pre-existing housing stock,
which we have a lot of, that may not

1034
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:39,280
meet these guidelines, right? So we're
trying to to uh ex exist in a space that

1035
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:43,760
marries, you know, what is best
practices and what's best for the future

1036
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:48,480
with what do we have now currently and
how do we best utilize it and and make

1037
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:50,159
it useful for our residents um and for
the neighbors that are around the

1038
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,040
residents.
>> Mr. Wright, can you can you get sorry to

1039
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:57,400
put you on the spot here, but can you
give us that term you always use,

1040
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,400
non-conforming?

1041
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:02,719
» Legal non-conforming.
>> Legal non-conforming. Okay, thanks. So

1042
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:06,080
and then and then on the second page,
you know, driveway paving materials and

1043
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:10,080
this is kind of where we really um need
to have the the most of our discussion

1044
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:13,199
or my biggest question for you. You
know, obviously paving materials says

1045
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,640
all driveways will be paved with the
permanent materials such as asphalt,

1046
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:20,320
concrete, paving blocks or other
approved material meeting the standards

1047
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:23,600
of the city. Driveway aprons that are
accessed in the rightway shall be

1048
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:27,679
concrete to meet standard specifications
for public improvements in the rightway.

1049
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,880
Um, and the entire driving and parking
surface of a driveway shall be paved

1050
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:34,880
with a few exceptions. You know,
interior sideyards, rear yards where

1051
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:39,120
driveways extended, those types of
things. It does discuss the existence of

1052
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:44,800
ribbon driveways. Um, and give some some
guidelines to that. Um,

1053
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:48,560
or PA block driveways, those types of
things. So, that that's what's existing,

1054
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:56,239
I guess, is what what I'm trying to say.
Um but that does not by any means or

1055
01:17:51,600 --> 01:18:01,040
stretch um allow us to essentially you
know maintain what we have as existing

1056
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:05,040
housing stock and how do we handle that
from a code enforcement perspective and

1057
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:11,679
what kind of codes do we need to allow
those to exist. Um I know that there's

1058
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:16,080
um if we discussed things like gravel um
which we've allowed as a as a kind of a

1059
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:21,280
legal nonconforming
um for those that have it um as long as

1060
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:24,719
they keep it up. Uh and I know that that
public works um will get in up in arms

1061
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:29,040
in a hurry if we start saying let's just
let people use gravel all throughout

1062
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:33,440
because we have obviously
an issue with gravel when it comes to

1063
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:38,880
our storm sewer um and how that's
handled. Um, but what makes sense for

1064
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,199
our residents? Do we do we want to allow
and some people don't have anything.

1065
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:44,560
They don't have any gravel. They've not
had anything. There's you'll you can

1066
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:48,560
drive around. You'll see a lot of folks
driving, you know, parking on grass. Um,

1067
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:53,040
there are a lot of properties where
they've essentially taken that front,

1068
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:59,280
you know, 10 feet or so off of the
street and kind of made it like a little

1069
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:04,320
pad site. Um, and there's any level of
things whether it's grass or gravel or

1070
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:08,000
used to be gravel or just dirt or you
know that that exists throughout the

1071
01:19:05,679 --> 01:19:13,120
city as well. And so how do we want to
handle that? Um, you know, overall we we

1072
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:18,239
would definitely like some guidance
because this is a situation that exists

1073
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:22,480
all too commonly and we we want to be
working with people but also trying to,

1074
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:26,880
you know, maintain standards for
residents and and neighbors. So, I how

1075
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:32,520
how do you want us to handle, you know,
the drive, the parking, those types of

1076
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,520
of instances?

1077
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:38,560
» Any thoughts?
>> Are you you're talking so people that

1078
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:42,320
have gravel driveways tell them they got
by a certain date to concrete them or

1079
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:45,040
pave them or
>> not necessarily unless that's what

1080
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:48,640
everybody everybody decides they want to
do. I think that the in the past what

1081
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,679
we've allowed to do and I don't think
we're advocating for anything different

1082
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:54,800
is that if they have gravel that they
maintain the gravel and keep it. They

1083
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:58,800
don't allow the gravel to dissipate to
the point where it becomes grass and

1084
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:03,040
then try to bring bring back the gravel
is what that's kind of the issue.

1085
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,360
» Yeah. I mean, I I would never support
going out there and telling everybody,

1086
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:07,920
"Hey, you got to have a gravel or you
got to have a concrete driveway now." I

1087
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,000
mean, that's
>> I don't think anybody's advocating for

1088
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:15,199
that at this point.
>> Yeah. I I I'm not I don't think anybody

1089
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,800
» staff's not even advocating for that at
this point. I We just want some

1090
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:20,239
guidelines.
>> Go ahead.

1091
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:26,640
I
I guess I didn't realize if this is a

1092
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:32,480
prevalent thing, but parking on grass in
the front yard, especially specifically,

1093
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:36,000
uh that is
common, you're saying, in various

1094
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:40,719
places. Yeah. I don't
>> places that don't have a formal drive.

1095
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:46,320
Yes. So you're
I can think of maybe only a couple in my

1096
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:52,239
ward, but maybe I'm
okay. Um

1097
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:55,600
I guess that's essentially not having a
drive period, right? That's not gravel,

1098
01:20:54,159 --> 01:21:00,159
that's not paved, that's not a ribbon
driveway, that's

1099
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:04,320
» nothing. Um
>> I could see where that might need to be

1100
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:08,480
addressed. I can think of a couple of
instances where we have a house and it's

1101
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:13,120
on a street and there's not a really
good there's not really good on street

1102
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:16,800
parking available and there's no drive
and there's folks that drive and park on

1103
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:21,360
the grass because there literally is no
way no place to drive on the or park on

1104
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:24,880
the street and there's no place to park
at the house formally so that there you

1105
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,120
know they're parking the best place they
can.

1106
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:32,080
» Yeah, I guess my assumption has been you
park on the street in those situations

1107
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:35,120
but okay can we can we get a list? I
would like to see some of these places

1108
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:39,199
like what kind of conditions they are
because I I can't think of one

1109
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:42,400
specifically but I I would like to see
what we're talking about.

1110
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:44,960
» You mean as far as has nowhere to park
and they're parking on in the in

1111
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:49,120
» and they're parking in their yard
essentially in their yard? Yeah.

1112
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:53,360
» I could pick out a couple for sure.
>> Okay.

1113
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:58,239
» Go ahead. Um, I've had several people
reach out to me just recently about um

1114
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:03,199
the lack of driveway that their, you
know, their rental and their driveways

1115
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:08,080
are not provided by the landlord. Um,
there's also been some big discussion um

1116
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:12,880
with the code advisory committee about
the ribbon driveways. We worked on that

1117
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:18,080
for quite a long time. Um, I think that
probably needs to be clarified a little

1118
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:21,040
bit because I think, at least in my
mind, when we were talking about a

1119
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:24,639
ribbon driveway that they wouldn't
necessarily have to connect to an

1120
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:28,639
existing driveway, that they could come
to the street even if it was with an

1121
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:35,520
apron. And I think that's been a little
bit of um confusion there. Um,

1122
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:38,960
I can think of two in particular that I
know that it's been permitted to do, but

1123
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:43,760
they didn't they weren't understanding
that they couldn't come to the street

1124
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:48,880
with it, but because them tying on to
their existing driveway was a with a

1125
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:53,040
ribbon driveway made parking a big
vehicle even more difficult because of

1126
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:57,600
the hard turn they had to make off of a
existing driveway. So, that I think

1127
01:22:54,960 --> 01:23:04,159
needs to be clarified a little bit. And
um I can I can um tell you that in one

1128
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:08,480
particular instance that
there's a house, there's a camper, and

1129
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:13,600
there's six other vehicles parked there,
and there's no grass left. There's um

1130
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:18,719
it's a it's a muddy mess when it's going
on. And I I kind of like Alex says that,

1131
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:24,080
you know, we need to take a little bit
of better ownership with the front yard

1132
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:27,920
in particular. Um, you know, maybe maybe
you know, because there's on especially

1133
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:33,440
in the old older neighborhoods, there's
not room to park on the streets without

1134
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:37,840
it being a public safety problem. Um, on
in my ward specifically, there's four

1135
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:42,000
houses on one street that have no
driveways and they have to park on the

1136
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:45,040
street and that means it's impossible to
get a fire truck or anything through

1137
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:49,199
there in the evenings when they're all
parked there. So, I think we need to

1138
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:53,040
tighten that up a little bit. Um, I'm
for sure would like some clarity on the

1139
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:58,080
ribbon driveways for sure. And I think
we've got to come up with a standard.

1140
01:23:55,280 --> 01:24:02,560
You know,
you can't have a camper in five trucks

1141
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:07,679
or or you can have it, but you've got to
figure out a way to manage it.

1142
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:12,560
» Okay. So, are are you advocating then
that on streets where there's not a sign

1143
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:15,440
not sufficient space and there's not a
drive and even if there's not a drive to

1144
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:18,960
not allow folks?
>> No, I don't think I mean, how can you do

1145
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:21,120
that? That's my Yeah, I guess that's my
point, too.

1146
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:24,719
» But I don't know what the solution. I
mean,

1147
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:28,719
» I'm assuming at one point or the other
those houses all had driveways, but I

1148
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:32,159
don't know that, you know, because it's
Oldtown for sure.

1149
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:36,400
» So, you know, I don't know what the
solution is if if there's never been a

1150
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:41,360
driveway there, then what do you do? I
mean, on the, you know, there's seven

1151
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:45,280
cars parked there at night,
>> right? [snorts]

1152
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:48,639
Okay. Go ahead.
I'll say I'm

1153
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,960
Yeah, let's talk about the ribbon
driveways. That was going to be my

1154
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:55,840
second part of the conversation because
I know I brought this up previously. Um

1155
01:24:54,000 --> 01:25:01,360
because I had a resident specifically
complaining to me that their ribbon

1156
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:05,520
driveway wasn't allowed and that the
city was

1157
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:08,719
well I don't know the city was they were
working with the city but it was somehow

1158
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:13,280
not allowed but this seems to suggest
the otherwise. Can you help what?

1159
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:16,239
This sounds to me like ribbon driveways
are no problem.

1160
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:20,800
» Specific.
>> So ribbon driveways are a secondary

1161
01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:25,199
driveway. So they're allowed to come off
of your primary driveway accessing the

1162
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:30,639
street and they're allowed to be in the
sidey yard and going to the back. So

1163
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:34,960
they're mostly used to accessory
structures in the backyard or if you

1164
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:38,159
have a boat or camper or something that
you need to pull on to the side of your

1165
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:41,920
house or the backyard. So they're just
not allowed as the prime. Like if you

1166
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:45,120
only have one driveway, you can't have a
ribbon driveway.

1167
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:49,040
» Yeah. We were trying to balance the
aesthetics because there were concerns

1168
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:53,920
of ribbon driveways are in the front
yard, people and our people are parking

1169
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:59,120
on the ribbon driveway. All the grass
and everything underneath is going to

1170
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:02,080
die. So then then it's just a mud pit.
Somebody eventually comes back in and

1171
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:06,719
puts gravel or something else in
between. So we're kind of back to this

1172
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:10,480
the place where we started.
So, we were trying to avoid that and

1173
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:13,840
trying to push those into the side and
rear yard that aren't as visible to the

1174
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:19,360
street so they don't become as much of a
nuisance. The the ribbon driveway with a

1175
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:24,239
gravel in the middle. Now, I understand
that's, you know, not allowed based on

1176
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:29,280
what is currently in here, but is the is
there a concern that that is problematic

1177
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:32,080
from an aesthetics standpoint as long as
again it's maintained? It's not, you

1178
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,120
know, we don't have weeds growing up
through it. We don't have, you know,

1179
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:40,560
it's not a mud pit. not, you know, it's
truly a is that I mean just generally is

1180
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:44,960
that where that came from? Is that
concern with the aesthetics?

1181
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:49,760
» Yeah, I mean that's the primary concern
is to

1182
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:53,040
the the reason why there's a solid paved
surface in the current code. So again,

1183
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:57,040
we just added this a couple of years ago
because it was a cost-effective approach

1184
01:26:55,040 --> 01:27:01,120
for people, especially because the
requirement was if you're putting a

1185
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:05,120
detached garage in your backyard, you
need to have a paved surface and that

1186
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:09,040
can be very cost prohibitive for people.
So the ribbon driveway was the solution

1187
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:13,600
to make that more affordable and
feasible for people. Um, but the concern

1188
01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:20,239
of putting them in the front yard was
the aesthetics of that. If it's not if

1189
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:24,080
the area between the pavement tracks is
not maintained,

1190
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:28,480
then you're just you either end up with
an area that's has no vegetation or they

1191
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:32,880
come back and put rock or something
else. And the concern with the gravel in

1192
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:38,719
the front is that it washes out into the
street or into the storm drains.

1193
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:44,400
» Go ahead, Brett.
I saw uh one ribbon with artificial turf

1194
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:47,199
in between
to make it look quite attractive.

1195
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:53,280
» Go ahead.
>> So, I know W three has a lot of back

1196
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:58,159
alleyways that are gravel um with grass
grown up. Who is responsible for the

1197
01:27:55,440 --> 01:28:04,719
alleys behind the behind the houses? Is
that city? Is that okay?

1198
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:07,600
So, are we going to hold ourself to the
same standard that we're going to hold

1199
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:11,360
everybody else to? cuz there's a lot of
alleyways that have a lot of weeds and

1200
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:19,120
grass growing up through. Some of them
you can't even get through. So, it's

1201
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:22,320
it's the same thing as a driveway.
So,

1202
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:25,440
are we are we going to hold ourselves to
that same standard?

1203
01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:29,280
» We should.
>> I'm just I'm just asking because I know

1204
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:34,560
» Ideally, we would again, if you have the
money tree to help us to fix all those,

1205
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:38,000
then we'd be glad to utilize it.
>> Go ahead. You're done. So, are you done?

1206
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:43,679
» Go ahead.
>> I under my my biggest problem is front

1207
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:47,199
yard parking and the fact that, you
know, that you can't in some of these

1208
01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:50,880
instances, you can't see the house
because of the vehicles. Um, I know that

1209
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:56,000
this is not something we're talking
about now, but I would like it to to

1210
01:28:53,040 --> 01:29:01,120
look at in our um in our comprehensive
plan code ideas is, you know, there are

1211
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:04,960
other solutions to loose gravel that
involve gravel. you know, they have the

1212
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:08,080
new spring form things now that you put
down and it holds gravel in place and

1213
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:15,760
there's epoxy and there's all sorts of
stuff. So, you know, I um I recently uh

1214
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:20,880
looked at
adding an extension on my driveway and

1215
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:25,199
resurfacing my driveway because I was
adding an extension and it was uh

1216
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:29,040
$14,000
which is a little cost, you know, then I

1217
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:32,960
had to in turn do the sewer so, you
know, it was kind of a wash there. But,

1218
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:38,719
um, I'd like to look at something, you
know, in our community development,

1219
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:42,960
you know, to to come up with some more
permeable ideas or some more

1220
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:48,239
cost-effective ideas. And I know that
that's not what we're talking about now,

1221
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:51,600
but um I, you know, ribbon driveways are
the thing I get the most complaints

1222
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:56,960
about in people parking so that they
they no longer have a yard. There's so

1223
01:29:53,440 --> 01:30:02,159
many vehicles. So,
>> all right. [sighs]

1224
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:09,520
Anybody else?
Item three, Cozy Pet Hotel, SUP Renewal.

1225
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:13,520
» Yeah, Cozy Pet Hotel is located at 342
North Scott. Um, and they are an animal

1226
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:17,679
services boarding use that provides
overnight and longer term stays. Um,

1227
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:22,159
they received a 5-year special use
permit in 2021, which is due for

1228
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:27,199
renewal. Um, since then they've also
acquired 400 North Scott um, back in

1229
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:30,800
2024 and they completed a remodel of
that building and opened in 2025 for

1230
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:35,120
grooming and other non-boarding
services. Um, staff recommends adding

1231
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:39,280
that property or that building to their
special use permit to provide additional

1232
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:42,800
flexibility. Um, to their business needs
if they decide to use part of that

1233
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:45,600
second building for boarding. Um, a
public hearing for the renewal will be

1234
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:48,960
heard by the planning commission next
Tuesday, September 15th, and this item

1235
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:54,040
will be brought forward to council in
October. Any questions?

1236
01:30:55,040 --> 01:31:02,960
Hearing none. Number four, Little Fleet
SU and final plat. Yes, we have um also

1237
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:07,040
received a reasonzoning and a special
use permit as well as platting request

1238
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:10,960
for Little's Fleet maintenance um which
is proposed to be located at the former

1239
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:15,280
Master Transportation facility at 800
Quicktrip Way. Um, Little's fleet works

1240
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:19,440
with commercial customers on the
upfitting of vehicles for commercial

1241
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:23,920
vehicle fleets, uh, with most of their
customers using small trucks that do not

1242
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:28,960
require CDLs. Um, they have at least one
customer that has semi-truck vehicles,

1243
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:33,199
which they estimate, um, submits about
100 vehicles to them a year. Um, based

1244
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:38,000
on the nature of the business, uh, this
is a vehicle repair heavy use requiring

1245
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:41,760
reszoning to C3 regional commercial, uh,
with a special use permit. Um, this

1246
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:45,520
would have been the same requirement to
make Masters Transportation a legal

1247
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:49,199
conforming land use had they remained at
that site. Um, as part of the special

1248
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:52,560
use permit, staff is coordinating with
the applicant and the owner on bringing

1249
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:57,040
the landscaping and screening up to
compliance with the code along with an

1250
01:31:54,719 --> 01:32:01,600
updated parking plan uh, which includes
paving the gravel lot that is along

1251
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:06,400
Marquy Parkway. Um, the property is also
currently two unplatted parcels that

1252
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:09,440
will be combined into a single lot. Um
public hearing is scheduled for October

1253
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:13,280
6th planning commission and this item
will be brought forward to council

1254
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:18,159
after.
>> Go ahead.

1255
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:22,159
» See there you used legal conforming not
not anyways. Um which means they must

1256
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:26,560
have been legal non-conforming prior. So
that's where my question's going

1257
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:32,400
essentially is that so this sounds very
similar. I mean I know not the same but

1258
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:36,080
similar in idea of masters
um for that area. Is that accurate in

1259
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:39,360
how I'm thinking about this?
>> Correct. It's very It falls into the

1260
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:47,280
same land use category.
>> Okay. And yeah, updating of landscaping

1261
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:50,000
would be nice in that area, I think. So,
>> I think they've already talked about

1262
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:57,199
that and are getting ready to work on
that, too. So, anybody else?

1263
01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:00,400
Item, I'd entertain a motion to enter
executive session to discuss mayor tain

1264
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:04,400
to legal actions according Missouri
State Statute 610.021.1 021.1 pertain to

1265
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:07,520
lease and purchase seller real estate
according to Missouri state statute

1266
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:12,080
610.021.2
pertaining to negotiated contracts state

1267
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:13,679
statute 610.021.12 021.12 as the record
be closed and meeting adjourned from

1268
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,280
there.
>> Present.

1269
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:21,760
» Have a motion in a second.
Any discussion?

1270
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:23,520
Roll call.
>> Council member Richardson.

1271
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,639
» I.
>> Thompson.

1272
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:25,920
» Yes.
>> Mayor Larkkey.

1273
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:26,960
» I.
>> Davidson.

1274
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,159
» Yes.
>> Brian.

1275
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,199
» I.
>> White.

1276
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,159
» I.
>> Lawson.

1277
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,360
» I.
>> McCllum.

1278
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:36,280
» I.
>> Johnson. Hi. Motion passes.