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first order is roll call and I'll start

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and then we can go around. John Tantum,

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I volunteered to be chair of this

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committee, a Cove Road resident.

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Go ahead, Mr. Isaacson. Sitting in for

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Larry Store.

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town resident. Uh Peter Mark, city

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council member. I'm going to excuse

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myself and get a pen. This one doesn't

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city manager Robert Zadnik.

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Robert, Robert, can you hear us? Are you

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Uh yeah, hi everyone. Can you hear me?

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Yeah, can you can you hear us okay,

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Yes. Yeah, you're coming through loud

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and clear. Thanks.

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And I'm Chris Berry, assistant engineer

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works department.

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» You know I said it, Peter. Okay, thanks.

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the approval of the minutes from our

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prior meeting on February 26th,

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uh which are in the packet here and were

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distributed earlier. Are there any

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Happy to make a motion to approve it.

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next is the the the matter at hand to

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project and the bids and reviewing the

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discussing those and hopefully come out

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come up with a recommendation for the

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Great. So, maybe Tony, I'll let you take

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it take over. Yep, thank you. Yeah, and

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in your time.

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this uh this meeting is a follow-up from

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uh to you all and uh basically um

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uh request a recommendation uh that the

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city council approve uh the the contract

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uh for the for the project and award the

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informal. We can, you know, discuss and

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in the memo. Um this contract is for the

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sheet pile installation portion of the

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project, which is the main uh the sort

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of the meat of the project. Uh there is

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installation of the pre of the of the

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numbers that that amount was included in

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that out in the memo.

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that was followed by a mandatory site

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meeting uh with with prospective

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submit a bid would have to be at the at

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the site meeting.

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a change to the insurance requirements

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provided uh the details of that.

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clarification of of some of the uh

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different contractors' representatives

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representative. Um A union from

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local three. Operators. It's not

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uncommon that they show up knowing about

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this type of projects. Yeah, thank you.

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bids uh bid amount was was read out

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at a at a table and opened each bid

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documents, and read out the number to

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the to the uh the contractors. Is that

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requirement? It is the It's a law. I'm

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lowest bid, basically. Um if it's not

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the lowest bid. But but is there is

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made meeting the deadline. Did anybody

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saying anybody come in just for

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» No, no, nobody came in after the

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bats and then I'll and then I'll let

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equipment that was um specified in the

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RFP and and uh and that was this uh

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silent piler, this guy can machine. And

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and I think yeah, some of the comments

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at the pre-bid meeting um

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related to that. They they sort of said,

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well, I mean, if we're all going to have

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the same prime I mean, if we're all

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going to have the same sub,

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um

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what difference does it make to you

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guys? And so, I think a lot of people

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felt that they wouldn't have a

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competitive chance. So, you know, so

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didn't didn't want to waste their time.

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Um but yeah, Adrian Yeah. So, uh you

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know, it was certainly a great turnout

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at the pre-bid versus who pulled plans.

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And who pulled plans could be a host of

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individuals that may actually not even

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have any

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ultimate goal of bidding on the project.

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However, they are very interested

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whether it be a vendor. Uh there are

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several

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uh communication

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uh companies that will track projects

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and then, you know, post items. Um so,

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you usually have a very broad spectrum

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of individuals that will pull plans and

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and anyone's allowed to do it. So, then

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you get down to the pre-bid meeting,

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which is certainly a more uh fine-tuned

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group of individuals

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that still may consist of additional

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individuals outside of who will be

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bidding on the project. Myself signed in

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on the pre-bid sheet because I was an

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attendee.

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Um my project manager Kyle, you know,

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Tony. So, there were

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others at the pre-bid that necessarily

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weren't going to be bidding on the

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project including subcontractors

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to potential primes.

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So, one of the critical uh

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subcontractors and at that point we

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weren't sure if there was a

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uh a prime or a subcontracting component

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to the uh company that does retain

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several of these Dyken silent pilers.

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And they were, you know, there with

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three individuals, you know, that are

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all from Blue Iron. So, that's how your

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list kind of kind of kind of

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that we ended up with? Is that a

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successful process or would we wish we'd

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had more or what what how do we how do

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you evaluate that? Exactly. Yes. So,

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good question. So, because of the uh

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selective equipment for installation,

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these contractors all knew that Blue

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Iron was going to be

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involved with this contract. You can

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only make the case Blue Iron's you know,

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selected who they who they want to work

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with. Correct. So, we do know based on

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the bid results that Blue Iron so

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provided numbers to several contractors

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and that's great. And all of them were

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very close on that one particular bid

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item when we analyzed the results.

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» But they're not though. But they're not

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though. I mean, unless it's embedded in

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these lines. I mean, there's there's

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there's quite a big of variance in the,

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you know, uh line five, six, seven, and

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eight.

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You would think you would think if it's

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the same contractor between the same The

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contractor is this the opinion of cost

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for the

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project? I'm just looking at the

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line-by-line breakdown. Must be in the

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bid

364
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Okay. Yeah, so that's a computer too.

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I'm sure it's in a more detailed

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tabulation. But but you know, where you

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would where you would expect to see

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So, I'm I'm my bad. I'm sorry. I didn't

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have a thought that was on the one Where

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you would expect to see some consistency

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among them all

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would be alignment A, alignment A,

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alignment B, alignment C, you know,

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where this where where the the

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structural steel um sheet piles are

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being driven. You know, basically line

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five, six, and seven.

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Um

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and part of I guess

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Yeah. I don't know what I'm seeing right

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now, but

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To jump in, I'm I I I 100% see what

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you're saying and it is a bit of a head

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head scratcher about why Valentine

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uh uh

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have 2.3 million whereas the other

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contractors I think are more

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closely um converged at, you know,

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between 1.6

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and and 1.8 million. Quick question. Are

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uh are

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are we we're in at this point we're not

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even discussing Valentine's numbers or

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do you want to discuss their I mean,

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they're they're they're way high. No,

396
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no, no, I know. I know. I know. I'm I'm

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I mean, well, just just with four on the

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page and I you may want to just mention

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why you knocked out Corcus.

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Yes. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I was

401
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coming to that. Yeah.

402
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Yeah, so

403
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they knocked out Corcus. They didn't

404
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they didn't really follow the process.

405
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Yeah, we can we can look at the

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administrative oversight by Corcus and

407
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they just forgot to sign something or

408
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was it like a substantial

409
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they didn't

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complete something important? Uh it was

411
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an it was I think

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I if it was me, if it was my company,

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I'd be very frustrated uh because um

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it is it's it's a very minor

415
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detail when you're filling out a form,

416
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but

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in in an RFP um it's it's significant

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um and

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uh it basically

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um

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The frustration for us too is that um we

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we were aware that Corcus had downloaded

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those those addenda

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um and

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so when they when they filled in their

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form um saying that they had not they

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they did not acknowledge uh the the

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addenda basically. I mean, but but but

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in the city's defense and our in our

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broader legal defense of this is also

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that when and if

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they're they're not acknowledging those

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two addenda which we we we can't verify

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that it's in their their their budget

435
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data and and they'll perform the work

436
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according to the specs that you laid

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out. Exactly. What's your real change?

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Which is why you have to sort of

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eliminate that.

440
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There's no way to have them acknowledge

441
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the addenda after the fact. It was too

442
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late at that point after the envelopes

443
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have been opened. Is that right? It you

444
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know, it's

445
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It would have been basically, yeah. I

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think that would have resulted in

447
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protest from from the other bidders um

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basically that they didn't follow

449
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procedures and then were being given an

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allowance for

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you know, to to correct items in their

452
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in their bid.

453
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Um

454
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Yeah. And you know, I mean, I think

455
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ultimately um

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you know, the city attorney weighed in

457
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on it and and uh

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yeah, it it was quite clear that uh this

459
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was the only option.

460
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Yeah. Um

461
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Luckily for us the the next the next

462
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bidder was was a very close in price and

463
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they, you know, for the total.

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I mean, but on those my question was a

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lot of those install sheet pile. Yeah,

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you go from

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even if you take out Valentine, you

468
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know, there's a six there's a $300,000

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swing on line five.

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Between between between Thompson and and

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Gordon Gordon Mhm. And and Thompson

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being the third. That's why they were in

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third place. No, no, no, but I'm saying

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but if if if the same subcontractor is

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providing the service, maybe there's

476
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more detail that that there that I'm not

477
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seeing. Because they are carrying costs

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of unforeseen to for covering a sub. So,

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guaranteed Thompson is a more local

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contractor from Nevada and they may or

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may not have worked with um um Blue Iron

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as much, but I do know that both Corcus

483
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and Gordon Ball both

484
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work with them quite often and that is

485
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probably that is a reflection in Gordon

486
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Ball's number is that they have a very

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good understanding and operation for

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their subcontractor which is carrying,

489
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you know, 75% of this this project

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weight here.

491
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Um that is the way I see it.

492
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What a really good question. Um what is

493
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the ultimate nature of our agreement

494
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with this contractor? Is it a guaranteed

495
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max? What factors you you mentioned that

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in your review of um

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uh

498
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references that one of the one of the

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things you got back about Gordon Ball in

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particular was that they were able to

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finish the project on time and on

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budget.

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What

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what are the opportunities or what are

505
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the negative opportunities to be off

506
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budget for us? I mean,

507
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if is this a guaranteed max? Is this a

508
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fixed price? What happens

509
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um certainly I understand client driven

510
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change orders or or or material driven

511
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change orders, but is that what can can

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can can drive this into an overage

513
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situation? Yes. And and it's really and

514
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and Adrian definitely please do chime in

515
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here, but

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um

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my understanding is that

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uh they based their

519
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their their estimates of of costs or

520
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their their price

521
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on the If if other

522
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you know, if they get out to the sites

523
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and and um you know, they start digging

524
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and there's something something else

525
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down there than other than loose sand

526
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and rock, for example, um that causes

527
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delays and

528
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you know, changes um then then costs can

529
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change. Yeah.

530
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Yeah. Most of them Yeah, and then some

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of the units are are are stated you have

532
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you do a square foot for the sheet pile,

533
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but primarily they are either single

534
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units or total and or, you know, lump

535
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sum. So, each the only the square

536
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footage is on the the sheet pile, which

537
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is total.

538
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And then it's a furnish and install, so

539
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it's a completed system. I mean, Jason

540
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repair that was completed a few years

541
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ago. Were there many change orders

542
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associated with that project? Not one.

543
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And did it come in on budget? Uh well,

544
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that one was a little There was there it

545
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was not the same development of that

546
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project based on the situation because

547
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it was more of a observation that was

548
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made with both and Miller Pacific during

549
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and Stetson during the H and H study in

550
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2019 for the shoreline resiliency for

551
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both shoreline and

552
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Santa Paula and Beach.

553
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Uh so, that was when it was prompted and

554
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the wall was showing uh significant

555
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signs of failure. So, that was what

556
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prompted that project. So, it certainly

557
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was in line with pricing

558
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um and there was no additional inflated

559
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,960
costs due to a

560
00:19:20,679 --> 00:19:24,640
you know, expedited, you know, time

561
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,960
frame. Blue Iron came in well under

562
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,679
because they had a unique perspective on

563
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:32,679
the installation of sheet with uh

564
00:19:29,679 --> 00:19:32,679
um just cutting edge tech

565
00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,159
you know, so

566
00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:38,840
they were we were able to complete the

567
00:19:36,159 --> 00:19:41,240
project faster than other companies.

568
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,440
So And can you confirm my understanding

569
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,600
as well that it's it it would go both

570
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,120
ways as well. So, if less materials are

571
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,679
used, for example, um

572
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:53,520
than than anticipated calculated the

573
00:19:50,679 --> 00:19:56,240
square footage, um then

574
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,760
then uh that's what's that is what it's

575
00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,880
built to the city as well as well

576
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,880
invoiced. Yeah, I mean they're they're

577
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,200
you know, this is what they were

578
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,360
expecting and they're going to they're

579
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,200
going to procure sheets like this is the

580
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:09,760
first thing that has to happen. So

581
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,880
» Right. So as far as the sheets go those

582
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,480
that would be a single kind of bulk

583
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,720
order I guess.

584
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,360
» Oh yeah, and they're going to jump on

585
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,840
that as soon as possible just because of

586
00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:19,960
the lead time and getting into a roll

587
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,600
because these sheets very well may not

588
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,480
be on the brand yet. Okay. So it's yes

589
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,600
specific to sheets yeah. Okay.

590
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,920
I just know that I mean you know with

591
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,560
paving for example if um

592
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,800
you know for whatever reason it turns

593
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:37,120
out that it's a few tons less than than

594
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,240
expected. Absolutely

595
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,480
and that's what's important just for

596
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,080
keeping on track with you know that all

597
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,320
those all those things. But yeah we'll

598
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,080
certainly do that. And the good thing

599
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,040
that we have going for us is

600
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,320
the knowledge base of both Gordon and

601
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,320
Blue Iron is that they're

602
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,160
straightforward contracting that very

603
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,000
they work well together. So the mere

604
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,560
fact that they are a well-oiled machine

605
00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,600
is going to have you know it's going to

606
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,240
just you know

607
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,960
assist tremendously versus you know

608
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:08,520
other subs that may or may not have that

609
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:11,480
well of a communication yeah you know

610
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,320
so. And then also yeah just to just to

611
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,680
add

612
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:18,040
if there is if there are complications

613
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,840
you know it's it's uh

614
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:23,040
the city you know through its through

615
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,000
its engineer engineering team would have

616
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,640
to

617
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,960
um

618
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,720
um

619
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,640
uh

620
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:32,240
basically approve any any changes like

621
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,080
that any changes to the to the scope.

622
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,240
So cost would be a part of that

623
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,440
decision. So if you know if there's a if

624
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,760
there's a huge change

625
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:44,160
it because of you know some

626
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,880
some unforeseen circumstance that that

627
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,120
results in a big change in cost

628
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,320
somewhere

629
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,600
that would be a decision that the city

630
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,200
would weigh

631
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,320
for in terms of the project as a whole.

632
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,640
What we do know is that we had very

633
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,320
little issues whatsoever with a

634
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,400
significant section of Beach Road

635
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:04,880
several years ago. We saw very

636
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:07,679
very bland questions from contractors.

637
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,720
The bids came in without carrying costs

638
00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:11,080
of which we had no idea how this is

639
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,440
going to go down.

640
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,280
So that was those were all really good

641
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:17,560
signs of a well-designed bid package

642
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,000
from both the technical side as well as

643
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,800
the opinion of cost. It was it was very

644
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,880
it was right in line with what we you

645
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,360
know we were hoping to see. We're just

646
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,840
very excited we didn't see this as a

647
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:31,040
huge The lowest the lowest bid it's

648
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,760
Gordon Ball not Norman Ball right. I

649
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:36,320
think in your memo you Yeah right sorry

650
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,720
I for some reason I kept So I think a

651
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,760
little bit of Herman Ball I don't know

652
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,240
why it is wrong. See you the experience

653
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,200
they have but we have not worked with

654
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,600
Gordon Ball before as a city. They are a

655
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,640
large contractor so there's a very good

656
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,920
chance that they wouldn't have probably

657
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:54,000
been worked on any They are typically a

658
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:56,000
huge large scale commercial contractor

659
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,720
doing anything else than that.

660
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,240
But I I do know of that nature cuz they

661
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,800
they do a lot of municipal work.

662
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,400
» Okay. I don't know but I don't know the

663
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,320
company is that are public company or a

664
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,400
privately held company we have I'm not

665
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,320
sure and or if it's a member owned we

666
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,880
have to you know have to look into look

667
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,800
into that. One of them There was there

668
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:16,320
was a level of analysis required for

669
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,400
for this

670
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,800
review. But this is this is They they

671
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,240
are a large company that does many

672
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,960
projects that's not name I've never

673
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,760
heard of. No yeah.

674
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,679
um Yeah it's I have noted them either.

675
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,000
um

676
00:23:28,679 --> 00:23:31,080
I don't know if they're nationwide I

677
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,679
don't know if they're that

678
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,040
» No they're not. I do know that they do a

679
00:23:32,679 --> 00:23:38,200
lot of work with PG&E. They do a lot of

680
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:41,600
public utility work so they are they

681
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,840
understand the public process. And I do

682
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,480
know again that they work with Blue Iron

683
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,360
quite a bit with projects. And a lot of

684
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,360
times Gordon Ball is in prime for PG&E

685
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:53,600
projects where Blue Iron is their sub.

686
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:56,679
Yeah their their references were um

687
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,600
uh were I thought I thought very good

688
00:23:56,679 --> 00:23:59,920
that the projects that they that they

689
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,679
highlighted

690
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:05,040
were very similar to this.

691
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:07,960
They all involved installing sheet pile

692
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:10,080
in in locations a lot of locations with

693
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,200
with water river banks and and boat

694
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,720
launches and and these kind of

695
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,440
situations and and one of the

696
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,240
one of the project managers that I spoke

697
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,800
to from I think it was the Santa Clara

698
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,760
Santa Clara

699
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,320
water district

700
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,120
said that they

701
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,480
um

702
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:28,320
that they were also in very close

703
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,480
proximity to homes and that they

704
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,960
uh you know they performed everything

705
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,800
that they needed to with you know

706
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,760
vibration monitoring and and that kind

707
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,000
of equipment so they they're definitely

708
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,400
familiar with with this this type of

709
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,280
work. They were they were nearby

710
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,800
projects here in the area in Northern

711
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,480
California.

712
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,480
» Yes yes yeah.

713
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:56,040
Yeah.

714
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:59,967
Right well so okay

715
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,400
where did I where was I? um

716
00:24:59,967 --> 00:25:05,120
» [clears throat]

717
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,120
» Addenda yeah okay. So

718
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,640
The addenda were were required to be

719
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,440
acknowledged and and one contractor

720
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,240
didn't as we know

721
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,400
um

722
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,240
Is there

723
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,240
and I understand that the strict nature

724
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,800
of the

725
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,320
bid process

726
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,320
uh

727
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560
We're not obligated to take anything

728
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,840
just just thing you guys have to get

729
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,760
right? Correct.

730
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,880
» Right we can say cuz you're

731
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,400
you're above what our expected cost will

732
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,520
be we're not obligated to take anything

733
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,160
on

734
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,760
» Yes. Yeah. Um it's still subject to city

735
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,760
approval

736
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,480
but you I mean there's there's there's a

737
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:43,040
number of line items you know

738
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:46,480
you know 10 12 and 15 for example where

739
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,760
they are higher than everybody else.

740
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Uh and I know that just the it's the

741
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,360
discrepancies that you guys have the

742
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,679
uniqueness of that individual

743
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,280
contracting approach and their their

744
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:57,400
sensitivity to that particular line item

745
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,800
I can imagine. But you can't go back to

746
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,080
them and say you know we'd like to we'd

747
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,080
like these three items to be

748
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,720
reconsidered or looked at is does does

749
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,000
this municipal process allow for that or

750
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,840
not?

751
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,720
No um

752
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:12,640
yeah unfortunately not because of the

753
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,480
because of the RFP process um

754
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,640
you know everybody

755
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,679
uh everybody provide you know has the

756
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,200
same uses the same parameters for their

757
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:23,320
for their costing and and the the final

758
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,560
price

759
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,400
um

760
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,760
can't be changed before the before the

761
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,320
contract is awarded. After the contract

762
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,000
is awarded

763
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,000
then there can be some negotiation with

764
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,360
with the contractor. The contractor is

765
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,560
awarded at that price but change orders

766
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:41,120
can

767
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,960
be

768
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:46,240
generated by the city that change the

769
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,040
scope of work. So that's often in

770
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,160
negotiation.

771
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,120
» Be I mean I'm just saying cuz we have to

772
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,120
separate decision by the city as to

773
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:56,240
appropriate more money for this

774
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:59,679
right. So that's not insignificant. um

775
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:02,280
uh ask so it would be against this

776
00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:03,480
process and perhaps municipal law I

777
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,120
don't know

778
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,640
that you can't go to them and say you

779
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:10,000
were the low bidder

780
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,080
after we excluded one you know full

781
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,480
transparency you're the low bidder

782
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,400
but you're still above our budget we

783
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,880
can't award the contract unless you were

784
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,720
to reconsider these three line items

785
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,520
which you're you're you're 10% above the

786
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,679
competitors. Would you consider to do

787
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:26,720
so? That's not you can't do that?

788
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:28,240
We do you Yes so

789
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,679
and and just so you know that we have

790
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,679
discussed

791
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:32,320
that

792
00:27:30,679 --> 00:27:34,480
angle because in a public contract

793
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,120
that's kind of where you go next. You

794
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,640
look to VE or value engineer some of

795
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:42,720
your items

796
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:45,080
and where you do not take away or

797
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:49,000
we don't want to adjust and or go back

798
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:52,200
to the design team to say we need to

799
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,040
change the how we go about getting you

800
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,600
know this design completed. It is maybe

801
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,400
a reduction of overall footage and we

802
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,520
can't you know there's a very good

803
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,160
chance that the contractor is going to

804
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,920
be willing to negotiate cuz they want

805
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,800
this project that's for certain. But if

806
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,280
you

807
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,000
by your process you award the contract

808
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:12,400
at this price what reason do they have

809
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,400
to negotiate It's not as easy as looking

810
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,360
why are you well you're $80,000 more

811
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,960
than the competitor so why can't you do

812
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:20,000
it for their cost? Because there are so

813
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,040
many different moving mechanics we don't

814
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,720
know what the other contractor may or

815
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,679
may not have had or if they underbid

816
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,480
that.

817
00:28:24,679 --> 00:28:27,040
But

818
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,400
at this point with them we don't care.

819
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,080
Realistically we don't care. I mean if

820
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,400
if if if we're if we're now one to one

821
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,040
with these folks

822
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320
and we want to award it then we don't do

823
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,040
it. I I get where you're going with

824
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,159
this. I

825
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,200
I'm just I'm just saying that.

826
00:28:37,159 --> 00:28:40,520
We haven't added obstacle here that

827
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,919
we've got to get this money from this

828
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,679
from the city and ultimately from our

829
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:46,520
residents. And

830
00:28:44,679 --> 00:28:47,880
that's not a

831
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,760
you know

832
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,440
something the city council is going to

833
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,720
love to be vote on and be comfortable

834
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,440
with and the the way you propose to do

835
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,000
it is to put up other projects.

836
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,080
You know other lanes other maintenance

837
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,280
projects other other capital

838
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,080
improvements

839
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,960
or finding it in the this this this

840
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,560
broader budget whether it's contingency

841
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,400
or things like this which probably

842
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,120
possible but

843
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,040
depending on what you find out there.

844
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,040
Yeah

845
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,840
yeah no for sure. 300,000 for

846
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,000
Belvedere's is is a big

847
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,720
» Well let's let's let's shelve that

848
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,919
aspect over for now cuz if and when we

849
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,880
go there there's other things to talk

850
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:19,400
about certainly. Um

851
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,240
I would just say that it's a it's a

852
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,560
competitive public bidding process and

853
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,919
so you've provided all the parameters in

854
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,760
the contract documents and these

855
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:29,840
contractors have put their best foot

856
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,320
forward so to speak. This is this is

857
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,960
what they're proposing to do and I would

858
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,800
say you're not really one to one with

859
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,120
anybody until the contract is awarded.

860
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320
But they also know your estimate going

861
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,000
in.

862
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,480
I mean it's it's it's not it's not a

863
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,400
it's a coming from the private you know

864
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,720
construction world that's just lunacy

865
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,760
lunacy to me.

866
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,680
But

867
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,000
Well I get it. If you if you if you're

868
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,120
attempting to negotiate with one

869
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,880
contractor before awarding a contract,

870
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,880
all the other ones say, "Well, how come

871
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,440
you didn't come to us? We We could We

872
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,960
could do it, too." And it just, you

873
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,560
know, it could sort of unravel the whole

874
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:04,440
process. I get it. I get it.

875
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,400
Yeah, and I I mean, to your point, you

876
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,760
lose all your leverage if if you've

877
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,400
already signed a contract with them. Um

878
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,320
but I think I mean, in my in my

879
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,480
experience, and and maybe you you guys

880
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:18,920
can chime in on this, um

881
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:21,640
you know, contractors are generally uh

882
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,280
willing to talk. You know, they they're

883
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,080
um

884
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,040
that

885
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,520
if you say, you know, "By the way, you

886
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,520
know, we We've got everything signed,

887
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,480
but

888
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,880
um

889
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,640
this is this uh you know, finances are

890
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,480
very tight for us, and we would like to

891
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,000
find ways to to reduce the costs. Um we

892
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,960
we may want to reduce the scope

893
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,640
somewhere. Um

894
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,280
but we did notice in your in your uh bid

895
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,600
that you know, these were much higher

896
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,960
than than other people's, and Okay. are

897
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,440
you able to, you know, you know, share

898
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,640
with us what the you Cuz we can always

899
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,400
say to them, "So, we're not going to

900
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,560
either uh

901
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,920
Ball, you reduce by this amount. And and

902
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,920
we'll award it to you, otherwise we will

903
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,360
award it to nobody, and we will we will

904
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,120
we won't go forward, and we'll do

905
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,680
another RFP, and we'll just

906
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,360
we'll rebid the whole thing, and let let

907
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,200
them it's a little bit of a

908
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,880
Put that on the table then. If they say

909
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,880
they won't, then we just put the RFP out

910
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,400
again, and start the process again. I

911
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,720
don't think you can Well, well, I don't

912
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,400
think you can do that. Well, why not?

913
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,920
Why Why What What Well, look, it's

914
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,320
public I mean, I'm not a I'm not a I'm

915
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,720
not a contractor. It changes the scope.

916
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,200
It changes the scope. I mean, obviously,

917
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,040
or the timing. No, no, because because

918
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,200
basically, if if if if if we choose not

919
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,640
to do this now, realistically at this

920
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,080
point in time, even with the same scope

921
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,600
in a rebid process, or modify this

922
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,160
slightly, we missed the '26 window.

923
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,400
Right. If you miss the '26 window, it's

924
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,720
not going to get any less expensive

925
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,720
knowing, you know, that

926
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,680
» That, for sure. And the re so the the

927
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,320
re-solicitation process, what we've done

928
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,120
is certainly has a a cost that isn't

929
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,640
going to necessarily, you know, be able

930
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,320
to be recouped as well in a lot of the

931
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,520
public, you know, process has, you know,

932
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,640
there's has to be, you know, completed

933
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,480
again. But but if we don't have the

934
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,240
money Yeah, no, I I they might say,

935
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,040
"Okay, well, we'll we'll help you with

936
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,600
that." So, I mean

937
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,760
they might say, "Okay."

938
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,960
And that's why I know that, you know,

939
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,280
again, internally within you know, with

940
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,040
James, I'll try to remember who else was

941
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,160
on that call, but Stetson, we talked

942
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,800
about at least areas identified that we

943
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,440
can discuss, um and it was confident We

944
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,480
don't have specifics, you know, but

945
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,679
there were certainly some areas uh to

946
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,480
look at that we started to discuss. You

947
00:32:18,679 --> 00:32:21,400
know,

948
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,120
one of them would be, you know, just uh

949
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,520
essentially

950
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,360
I I think again, though in accordance

951
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,200
with the public contracting, you you

952
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,640
can't begin these negotiations until

953
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,120
after a contract is awarded to to one of

954
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,760
these. And so, I think that's probably

955
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,920
what the city is looking at. You You

956
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,160
either have to make the decision to

957
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,760
award a contract Could we go to all of

958
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,840
them and say, "This is This is our

959
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,720
budget. Would you like to Uh I think

960
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,400
that that that sort of involves

961
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,160
reopening up the bidding process. I

962
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,480
don't I can't I think once it's closed,

963
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,520
you can't reopen it. You would be

964
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,160
looking at a rebid.

965
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,280
The issue with the timing is that

966
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,880
there's an in-water work window, June

967
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,960
through October.

968
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,520
And so, to start the process over means

969
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:04,040
we wouldn't have enough time to issue a

970
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,880
rebid, open it all up, and receive bids

971
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,200
in order to construct this year. So,

972
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,480
re-bidding the project does mean you're

973
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,440
you're you're looking at next year,

974
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,440
2027.

975
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,360
Let's be realistic.

976
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:19,080
Um

977
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,360
how confident are we that

978
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,840
with the ability to start this project?

979
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,240
First question. Second question is

980
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,640
um what I would be afraid would happen

981
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,400
is that there would be a delay, there

982
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,920
would be a uh uh

983
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,760
a backlog of this particular equipment

984
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,040
or something like that, and the

985
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,400
contractor gets started under this

986
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,760
price, and says we have to finish it

987
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240
next year, and here's the here's the

988
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,440
cost to do so.

989
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,679
Well, I think they would be under

990
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,520
contract to um

991
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:45,679
uh you know, to to complete it by

992
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,040
October uh 15th, I think is what the

993
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:49,880
contract says. But just like but just

994
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,320
like finding a a a you know, Right.

995
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,720
immovable boulder under the ground,

996
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,000
there's a there's a there's a delay with

997
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,960
Blue Hill Stetson. I apologize. Blue

998
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,040
Iron. Blue Iron. That That can't deliver

999
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,679
it. It's out of their control, and

1000
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,440
they're they're they're delayed a month,

1001
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:03,400
and they and they That's I don't for I

1002
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,560
mean, anything's possible, but I'm um

1003
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,960
they're they're they have agreed to

1004
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,919
perform this project by a certain date,

1005
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,080
and if not, there are liquidated damages

1006
00:34:10,919 --> 00:34:16,480
daily that occur if they are not

1007
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,600
complete by that time frame.

1008
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,440
Do we Do we think we'll get this done in

1009
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,760
this time frame?

1010
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,320
I mean, can it be They need to go, yeah.

1011
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,679
Permit I mean, we're you know, there's

1012
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,240
Um there are there are a few factors um

1013
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:31,000
that that are outstanding. Um

1014
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:32,840
Yeah. What Like what? So, first of all,

1015
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,280
uh permitting. Uh we're waiting for a

1016
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:39,679
BCDC permit. Um

1017
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,760
and they are in a review sort of stage.

1018
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,000
Um they have a commission meeting where

1019
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:48,120
it needs to be approved. Um and which I

1020
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:51,200
believe it is April 29th, I think, 19th

1021
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,520
or 29th, so it can only be after that.

1022
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,760
Um

1023
00:34:52,520 --> 00:35:00,800
uh PG&E need to complete some uh some

1024
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:02,720
work in on Beach Road to modify their uh

1025
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,640
their lines, their um

1026
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,920
utility lines, main lines through there.

1027
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,840
» Before we get going.

1028
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,000
Yes. Yeah. Given what we've heard from

1029
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,040
PG&E, is that is that likely?

1030
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,600
Uh they uh we we ask them We We meet

1031
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,840
with them about every 2 weeks uh

1032
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,680
to get progress and and update uh

1033
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,200
updates from them. Um

1034
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,040
they

1035
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,120
assure us that um that that it's that

1036
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,960
it's

1037
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:31,080
doable to do before before June. Um

1038
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,160
but we have no control over that or or

1039
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,240
over their their work. So, if these

1040
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:39,240
dependencies um if if Gordon and

1041
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:41,359
Company, Gordon Ball, can't get started

1042
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,480
to comfortably make the window

1043
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:44,200
this contract's void then, right? We're

1044
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,320
not, you know, cuz obviously, the prices

1045
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,600
probably wouldn't be held for the next

1046
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,880
year.

1047
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,960
Well, I think there's probably room to

1048
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,920
negotiate, and and if they would like to

1049
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,880
keep the contract for next year um you

1050
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,680
know, they may they may be some uh some

1051
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,840
way to um

1052
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,000
you know, to

1053
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,160
to keep them on board um with some kind

1054
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,960
of uh

1055
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,120
you know, adjustment in price, you know,

1056
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,040
related to inflation or something. There

1057
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,680
There is some flexibility built into the

1058
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,240
way this is structured. There's a

1059
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,400
There's a The in-water work window is a

1060
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:18,600
5-month period, June through October,

1061
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,160
but the actual construction period is

1062
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,000
only 65 days. And so, even if they don't

1063
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,200
necessarily have to start on June 1st, I

1064
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,359
mean, that can slide backwards, and

1065
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,320
there would there would still be room

1066
00:36:26,359 --> 00:36:30,040
for them to complete this project. And

1067
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,400
in theory, the the out-of-water work can

1068
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,960
continue outside that window. That's

1069
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,080
correct. It is. Yeah. Yeah.

1070
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,920
Um

1071
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,960
And so, you know, that's

1072
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,920
that's the reason we did try to put this

1073
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,920
out to bid early, to get the bids early,

1074
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,520
to have a contractor under contract

1075
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,480
early so that these these scheduling and

1076
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,120
um

1077
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,480
the the coordination between the city,

1078
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,080
Hadley, PG&E, this can all kind of be

1079
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,760
worked out over the next several months

1080
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,510
until June, and when when the

1081
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,440
construction would actually occur. Mhm.

1082
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:02,240
» [clears throat]

1083
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,520
» Yeah. Um

1084
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,920
The other The other factor is uh

1085
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,920
easements with uh temporary construction

1086
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,960
easements with the property owners on on

1087
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,320
Beach Road, because uh

1088
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,240
the work that would need to take place

1089
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,320
on their property um for this project to

1090
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,400
to go ahead. I mean, the seawall

1091
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,320
actually

1092
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,840
enters their property at uh you know,

1093
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,200
at at their property lines. Um

1094
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,800
so, it's a couple of feet in from the

1095
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,520
property line, so the the work and the

1096
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,080
structures would would all be on their

1097
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,080
on their land.

1098
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,880
Um

1099
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,440
and we've met we've met with them um

1100
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,040
a few times, uh described the project,

1101
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,000
and we've sent over the uh the easement

1102
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,440
agreements. Um

1103
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,680
So, at this point, we're waiting for

1104
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,520
them to

1105
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,520
um review those. Uh

1106
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,160
And we're we're ready to go for the for

1107
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,320
the April meeting for them uh to to have

1108
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,520
those easements um

1109
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,240
approved by City Council. Um

1110
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,840
And yeah, but but we do have to wait for

1111
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:00,200
their their signatures, basically, on

1112
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,440
their side.

1113
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,560
How many property owners are we talking

1114
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,640
about again? Uh three property owners.

1115
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:09,440
Um Yeah. Um

1116
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:12,640
And one of them has indicated that um

1117
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,880
he's is absolutely willing. Um he's just

1118
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,240
out of the country right now. Um so,

1119
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,240
he's uh seems seems like he's ready to

1120
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,720
sign as soon as he gets back. Uh the

1121
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,800
other two

1122
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:26,840
uh are new uh new owners of of the

1123
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,359
property. And um

1124
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,800
I think it seems like they're wanting to

1125
00:38:28,359 --> 00:38:32,840
review the the language more carefully,

1126
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,880
and um Was it a

1127
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,800
It's three properties, but two owners,

1128
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,240
right? Cuz there's Yeah.

1129
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Yes.

1130
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:41,280
» Hadley owns one building, and the Spruce

1131
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,200
Group owns the other two. Yes, yeah. And

1132
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,600
those other two are are owned, I think,

1133
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,760
on paper by two different LLCs, but it's

1134
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,440
the same people. Okay, so that's okay.

1135
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,640
Yeah.

1136
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,080
Yeah.

1137
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,320
So, from a financial perspective, I'm

1138
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,440
looking at

1139
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,840
this overall project budget relative to

1140
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:02,600
appropriations funding at the top. Um

1141
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,080
we're looking at that 3.475

1142
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:08,480
line

1143
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:11,480
of which includes two $280,000 or so,

1144
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,560
that's going to a separate contractor to

1145
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,160
do the utility work.

1146
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,200
Right? So, that's where we get the 300

1147
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,720
So, that the the we have a $315,000

1148
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,640
variance on that line if we take this

1149
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,960
this this bid from Gordon and Ball,

1150
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,240
right?

1151
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Uh yeah, it's it's

1152
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:30,400
uh without knowing it, we don't have the

1153
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,120
exact number for the contracts uh of the

1154
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,760
other amounts. I would assume the 279

1155
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,320
that the way you got your 315 was the

1156
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,320
279

1157
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,120
um plus the 35 over

1158
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,240
this number. Correct, yeah. With a with

1159
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,440
a little bit of Yeah, yeah. flexibility

1160
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,880
to in case that 279 is over.

1161
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,880
» So, I'm just writing 315 in parentheses

1162
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,240
next to the 3475, which means Right. on

1163
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:56,520
this page we're 315 over budget on that

1164
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:58,960
particular line. And you've

1165
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,920
discussed this with Helga and her and

1166
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:04,320
your recommendations with Robert as well

1167
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,040
is to handle this either within this

1168
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,760
$4.6 million

1169
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,720
total project expenditures

1170
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,120
budget, finding it somewhere, whether

1171
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:14,120
it's coming out of your hide

1172
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,640
I mean from a project manager

1173
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,360
perspective or somewhere along this line

1174
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,080
of our mass remediation, somewhere

1175
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,080
somewhere through here you think you

1176
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,000
might be able to find some

1177
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,480
money. That that's option one, right?

1178
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Just confirming that's what that means.

1179
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,800
» Yeah. And option two is in the broader

1180
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,720
public works budget.

1181
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,560
Um capital improvement projects, whether

1182
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:34,000
it's paving or whether it's a retaining

1183
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,760
wall or whether it's a lane improvement

1184
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,160
or something like that, finding that

1185
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,960
money in that over the next couple

1186
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,600
years. Yeah, and and

1187
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,960
and there are two components to that,

1188
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,360
too. So, there are existing CIP funds

1189
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,760
that

1190
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,360
that that

1191
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,000
overlap with

1192
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,000
with with some of the work in this

1193
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,880
project. So, paving for example, there's

1194
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,880
a we have a we have a CIP fund for

1195
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,440
paving.

1196
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,840
And that that could cover the cost of

1197
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,920
the the paving restoration

1198
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,880
in instead of using this

1199
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,320
this account for that for for those

1200
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,040
costs.

1201
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,320
» Use that account.

1202
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,320
» Yeah, exactly. I get it. Um

1203
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,920
Yeah, exactly. And the sidewalk, yeah,

1204
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,760
exactly.

1205
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,120
And and we have it in we have not

1206
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:22,120
embedded the contingency on this budget.

1207
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,480
Um

1208
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,680
Well, with that

1209
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,960
so

1210
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,960
so with that over

1211
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,760
I'm just saying on paper on paper right

1212
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,320
now we're talking about that one line

1213
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,840
item having a

1214
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:40,000
a negative variance.

1215
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:43,280
But that 383 arguably still exists if we

1216
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,160
if we know we have 4.6 in our in our in

1217
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,920
our fund at this point.

1218
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,480
» Yes, right. Yes. So, so yeah,

1219
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,520
sorry I I I

1220
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,960
took me a minute there, but yeah,

1221
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,800
basically that would restore that that

1222
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,840
contingency amount.

1223
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,240
» Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1224
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,080
So,

1225
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,320
however we decide,

1226
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,520
you may want to work with Helga. I would

1227
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,440
suggest if this is to be recommended to

1228
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,520
the city council, I wouldn't go in with

1229
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,720
this to $315,000 over tier.

1230
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,040
I would I would I would front it by

1231
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:10,720
saying exactly what you've talked about

1232
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,600
before, that we're going to approach

1233
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:16,800
this if we award this contract with

1234
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,800
diligent approach to value engineer to

1235
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,360
to line item look at things to to

1236
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,920
recognize this is over budget and see

1237
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,240
where we can get some some some

1238
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,520
potential savings out of this contract.

1239
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,720
May yield nothing, but but that's an

1240
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,720
approach and we certainly should do

1241
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,480
that. I would also try to identify

1242
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:33,400
specifically where you think this money

1243
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,480
can come from. Meaning if you if you if

1244
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,640
you have known expenditures that you

1245
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,520
think are going to be less than what you

1246
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,880
have up here anyway,

1247
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,080
for example, if you know that

1248
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,440
you know, the

1249
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,400
the

1250
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,520
environmental mitigation costs are not

1251
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,800
$100,000, but they're going to be

1252
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,960
$80,000 much like we had with the repair

1253
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,200
over there on Beach Road. You know,

1254
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,640
you that came in less than we thought we

1255
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,160
were going to commit. So, I'm not saying

1256
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,640
we take that money, but I'm saying if

1257
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,120
you know already where we are, I

1258
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,480
identify it. You could you could

1259
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:05,720
probably say of that we know we've got

1260
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,600
$35,000 in

1261
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:12,560
city planning paving sorry, sidewalks

1262
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:16,480
for the next 2026 2027 we have

1263
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,520
$45,000 in in road paving for the 2026

1264
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,120
and 2027 budget that we can apply to

1265
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,680
this.

1266
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,680
And our assessment is that that won't

1267
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,000
damage our overall

1268
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,720
value of our infrastructure around the

1269
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,240
city. So, we can apply that those small

1270
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:31,000
amounts of those larger budgets. We can

1271
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:33,760
also apply

1272
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,840
$200,000 of contingency to that and

1273
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,320
that's where we think we can make up

1274
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,960
this money and still and still retain

1275
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,480
the 4.630.

1276
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,120
Right.

1277
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,720
» Yeah, exactly. You need to present it in

1278
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,800
a fashion like that. Right. Yeah, and

1279
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:46,160
that's that's that is definitely what's

1280
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,640
what we had planned was you know, be

1281
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,800
able to be specific about you know,

1282
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,400
about how you know, how this is

1283
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,080
possible.

1284
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,600
And and there would be council approval

1285
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,840
for for some of those changes as well.

1286
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,880
Well, they'll have

1287
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,640
comments and they'll and they'll

1288
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,880
probably stress you know, we really want

1289
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,520
you to push the value engineering and

1290
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,760
and really you know, sharpen your pencil

1291
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,400
on the scope, you know, once you have

1292
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,480
the contract selected to keep within the

1293
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,280
the appropriate public bidding process

1294
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,920
so that we can make sure we we make this

1295
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,240
project as as tight and and not only

1296
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,800
timely, but also it does our our our

1297
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:20,200
base minimum needs for the for the for

1298
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,760
the for the money we're spending so we

1299
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,840
get as much value as we possibly can.

1300
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,080
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

1301
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,200
Yeah, I yeah, I I hear you and I think

1302
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,680
um

1303
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,320
I we all feel that way. We definitely I

1304
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,880
know I I you know, and and and I

1305
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,120
definitely know Robert does and

1306
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,480
everybody does.

1307
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,720
Yeah, I mean it's it's um it's

1308
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,480
we we all want a want a project that's

1309
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:47,120
delivered on time and under budget.

1310
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,040
You know, some of this this

1311
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,840
law that we have to

1312
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,840
comply with

1313
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,560
is is a little cumbersome and

1314
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,800
frustrating,

1315
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,120
but you know, from from the time that we

1316
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,600
start meeting with the with the

1317
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,840
contractor,

1318
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,840
there will definitely be you know, a lot

1319
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,440
of emphasis on on um

1320
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,760
keeping costs you know, within budget.

1321
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,040
Um and if I mean you know, I I

1322
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,720
to be fair, I think I think the

1323
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,280
contractors probably get that from from

1324
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:20,080
everybody that they all the cities that

1325
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,440
they work with. Um But yeah, and I mean

1326
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,440
you know, some of the costs, you know,

1327
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,720
and I can I can point to some in on here

1328
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,720
that's um

1329
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:29,480
we anticipate

1330
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:32,120
not not having to pay for example,

1331
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,800
environmental mitigation costs.

1332
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,359
BCDC

1333
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,080
uh

1334
00:45:34,359 --> 00:45:40,480
may ask us to you know, mitigate for

1335
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:43,120
much more than than we are already. Um

1336
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,280
but it seems like they're not

1337
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,880
um

1338
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,200
in in our discussions with them so far,

1339
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,400
they haven't said that they that they

1340
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,440
will that they will and they've accepted

1341
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,240
our

1342
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,680
submission with with the mitigation that

1343
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,960
we've proposed. Um So,

1344
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,000
uh you know, for example there, there's

1345
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,560
potential for that full 100,000 to be

1346
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,480
available to be to be moved into another

1347
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,240
sort of road. Um

1348
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,040
Yeah. Um

1349
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,720
Yeah, and then

1350
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,960
you know, land surveying and mapping for

1351
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:14,960
example, that's another item that's we

1352
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:17,720
haven't we haven't had to Yeah, I you

1353
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,800
know, I I I Yeah. You understand me.

1354
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:22,200
Just as you prepare it, sharpen your

1355
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,800
pencil in because you you know, come in

1356
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,880
solution oriented to the council.

1357
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:30,120
» Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah, okay.

1358
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,120
Yeah, appreciate that.

1359
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,320
Are you guys probably I mean

1360
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,640
you've sat down with them. You've you've

1361
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,320
you've you've met with them. Are you

1362
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,280
comfortable with them being a partner in

1363
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,400
in if not that it it doesn't sound like

1364
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,200
it's a big job for them, but it's a big

1365
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,560
job for us.

1366
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,440
» Yeah, no, we haven't actually met with

1367
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,600
them.

1368
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:51,000
Yeah, we we wanted to but you know, I

1369
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:54,600
actually I I spoke to

1370
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,200
Gordon Ball yesterday on the phone. Um

1371
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,000
And

1372
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,520
um but we had wanted to have this

1373
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,640
meeting before we you know,

1374
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,120
provided any kind of official

1375
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,720
communication to especially well, to the

1376
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,840
other contractors. Um and it's obviously

1377
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,680
not going to be an easy phone call with

1378
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,760
Marcus, but um

1379
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,040
yeah, that's So, Peter, I mean so

1380
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,760
if we make a recommendation, we're

1381
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,240
making a recommendation knowing it's

1382
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,000
higher than the budget, although with

1383
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:24,280
your mitigating

1384
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,840
recommendations, it may be lower, but it

1385
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,280
sounds like it's it's worth discussing

1386
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,720
among the city council anyway. I mean

1387
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,359
it's it's not so far out there.

1388
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:32,040
» Absolutely. It's

1389
00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:33,000
it's achievable potentially. Well, I

1390
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,840
mean

1391
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,120
I mean I'm sure maybe Glenn you less so

1392
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,080
than us, but we're

1393
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,840
we're just all reacting to that like

1394
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,200
public process is you know, I wouldn't

1395
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,760
bid my house with that process. You

1396
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,880
know,

1397
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,160
and it's just a it's just a just a it's

1398
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,960
sort of frustrating, but um

1399
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,400
I think you need to present it that you

1400
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,920
know, this is the process and and it's

1401
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,960
not it's not unusual to have our

1402
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,760
estimate be be a little bit short of the

1403
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,200
of of the in fact, the dynamic of the of

1404
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,280
the process to to to almost have that be

1405
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,640
the the norm.

1406
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,120
But there is an opportunity

1407
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,760
and I and I do believe it's worth the

1408
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,560
time because because we have a lot to do

1409
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,600
between BCDC, PG&E and the easements um

1410
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,560
which would at the end of the day if

1411
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,600
those if those don't come through,

1412
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,640
you know, this project's not going to go

1413
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,120
ahead anyway. So, work aggressively with

1414
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,200
with the selected contractor to and it's

1415
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,680
not like we have much of a choice. We

1416
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,240
have to choose

1417
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:29,240
the non-eliminated low low bid, right?

1418
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:30,840
Right. Yeah, and and I think

1419
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,760
if if we're choosing if we're choosing

1420
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,520
any, yeah.

1421
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,880
Right, yeah, exactly. And and I I think

1422
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,200
that you know, if if if there was

1423
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,920
another close bid for example, and and

1424
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:43,120
you know, there was a way to parse

1425
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,000
through the qualifications, um then then

1426
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,040
we might be having a different

1427
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,160
conversation, but I think you know, we

1428
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,680
have one apparently bidder. The the next

1429
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,240
one is you know,

1430
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,480
500,000. I mean you know, higher. I

1431
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,600
touched on this last meeting, too, and I

1432
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,640
know this will come up in the city

1433
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,440
council is

1434
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:03,280
and it's hard it's hard to weigh this

1435
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,920
against known risk failure there, but is

1436
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,280
this is this something that you know, in

1437
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,600
a year or two might be might be better

1438
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,480
pricing?

1439
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,359
I'm not saying non-inflationary pricing,

1440
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,120
but just better pricing relative to the

1441
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:15,880
war, the supply chain issues, steel

1442
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,880
prices, gas petroleum prices. Good good

1443
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,440
question. And currently so far, we

1444
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,720
actually

1445
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,800
do a lot of supply chain analysis for

1446
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:27,359
our projects nationwide.

1447
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:31,640
So, right now I do know that most of the

1448
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:34,400
sheet pile is coming from US. So, no

1449
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:37,480
tariffs. So, that has not been impacted.

1450
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:40,440
Currently, the price of oil has not

1451
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,160
impacted the sheet pile pricing. And

1452
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,000
that was something that, you know, once

1453
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,840
we started to see what was happening in

1454
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,960
around and that's typically one of the

1455
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,680
first triggers is the price of oil will

1456
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,080
just start to impact everything for

1457
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,520
production and

1458
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,360
specifically sheet pile. So, at this

1459
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,680
point we don't foresee

1460
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:02,280
any changes and we're that close that it

1461
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,680
would be not a major escalation. We may

1462
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,600
have more impacts if we push the project

1463
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,440
and

1464
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,000
you know, without

1465
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,200
you know, we're talking, you know, two

1466
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,240
years down the road we're probably Even

1467
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,000
these folks these folks gave these bids,

1468
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,160
you know, these orders are good. The

1469
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,400
price associations have been two or

1470
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,320
three weeks, right? Two three and a half

1471
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,520
weeks.

1472
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,800
Um

1473
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,080
would it could or would they come back

1474
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,120
and say there's a 10% premium based on

1475
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,200
recent events?

1476
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,040
They I do know that there there is a

1477
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,160
level of like they are entitled to that,

1478
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,440
but I don't know the specifics

1479
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,680
personally to what that is.

1480
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,480
» They could do that. They could come back

1481
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,840
with a I'm not sure to the specifics.

1482
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,520
So, it all depends on I think on the

1483
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,160
specifics of the contract. I'm just not

1484
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,474
fully aware they are, you know, entitled

1485
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,480
to that.

1486
00:50:44,474 --> 00:50:47,520
» [clears throat]

1487
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,200
» All the good scenario I mean as far as

1488
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,360
whether the contract

1489
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,800
Yeah, yeah, two or three two or three

1490
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,080
as as as they go lower their price they

1491
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,600
can ask us to raise the price. No, this

1492
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,880
is what the contract would be. Yeah.

1493
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,760
And that's yeah, they're they're hanging

1494
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,640
their hat on that and knowing that okay,

1495
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,720
well, you know, we have to

1496
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,560
we get a word once, you know, supposed

1497
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,800
to that we you know, move specifically

1498
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,840
on the sheets that would be the big

1499
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,520
thing. So, I mean if it's if it's if

1500
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,520
it's

1501
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,400
legitimately now a cost of theirs big

1502
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,600
it's

1503
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,840
choose not to take the contract, right?

1504
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,080
Or the or are they obligated to take

1505
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,280
this contract?

1506
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,760
Well, they're I think yeah, they have

1507
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,960
you Julian can speak to this as well.

1508
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,360
Again, are they obligated or that's

1509
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:29,440
where they're yeah, that's where we have

1510
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,440
a bond. Mhm. A bid bond.

1511
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,240
Yeah.

1512
00:51:31,635 --> 00:51:34,320
» [clears throat]

1513
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,640
» Well, so this committee we were going to

1514
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,840
make a recommendation. It sounds like

1515
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,240
the staff's recommendation is to to

1516
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,680
recommend city council to accept the bid

1517
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,800
of Gordon

1518
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,720
Ball.

1519
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,680
Um are we ready to decide on that with

1520
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:51,520
the committee? I don't know how we what

1521
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:54,120
do we further questions or discussion?

1522
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:57,400
I would I would

1523
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:59,080
edit that a bit in the sense that

1524
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,760
it's not this committee's decision to go

1525
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,480
ahead with the project.

1526
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,440
Right? From a from a broader risk

1527
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,080
perspective from a broader financing

1528
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,040
perspective and from a broader um

1529
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,760
operations perspective. But in in the

1530
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,440
event the council is clearly said to us

1531
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,800
at a retreat hence the formation of this

1532
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,120
committee is um

1533
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,160
we want this project to go forward. It

1534
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,840
should it go forward we want you to do

1535
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,320
the proper due diligence and proper

1536
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,000
transparency to make sure that it's done

1537
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,080
in a fair equitable manner and that

1538
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,680
you're getting as much value for the

1539
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,640
process as possible.

1540
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,920
I think we should that's what we should

1541
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,920
say is that given the process and given

1542
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,200
the understanding of the project and the

1543
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,600
scope,

1544
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,840
this is the best contract for the job

1545
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,520
and given the conditions that we talked

1546
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,920
about a second ago that you're going to

1547
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,280
post awarding of the contract value

1548
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,240
engineer and look for look look for

1549
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,880
potential values in the scope itself and

1550
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,960
um

1551
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,560
here are ways we can potentially

1552
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,120
mitigate the cost in the existing

1553
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:51,600
budgets or other budgets. Um that's the

1554
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,040
recommendation to choose Gordon Ball.

1555
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,120
What is it the

1556
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,440
» Yeah, I think it should be yeah. We're

1557
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,040
not saying the project should go ahead

1558
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,760
with this. Ultimately,

1559
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,200
you know, five people up there with

1560
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,360
public comment are going to decide

1561
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,760
whether this is this this, you know,

1562
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,320
$4.6 million is something the city sees

1563
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,600
a priority for the next, you know, year

1564
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,720
and a half to

1565
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:13,080
to mitigate this risk. Yeah. Yeah.

1566
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:15,760
Um so it sounds like it it's um

1567
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:18,760
on the understanding that there will be

1568
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,000
you know, aggressive um

1569
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,640
uh

1570
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,800
what

1571
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,760
I don't want to say reduction in cost

1572
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,120
I mean, you know, you know the people up

1573
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,360
there myself and and what I mean

1574
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,480
they're going to say, you know, find a

1575
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,680
place, you know, figure out the 315,

1576
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,520
right? You know, we'd rather not have

1577
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,280
that. We'd rather we'd rather you, you

1578
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,560
know, get it out of the get it out of

1579
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,760
the project one way or the other, you

1580
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,840
know, either sharpen your pencil from a

1581
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,360
scope perspective, value engineer it or

1582
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,440
if you have to do exactly what what what

1583
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,800
you guys talked about is is, you know,

1584
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,600
take a portion that that's responsible

1585
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,080
of a paving and a sidewalk budget or

1586
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,520
other public works budgets and apply it

1587
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,960
to this recognizing that you're you're

1588
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,440
you're you're stealing from Peter to pay

1589
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,640
Paul, but but be confident that you're

1590
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,120
you're doing that in a in a in a in a

1591
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,480
balanced way that you're not

1592
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,440
jeopardizing Paul in that scenario.

1593
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,720
They're going to want to see that

1594
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,880
information. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

1595
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,240
And and just just be confident that you

1596
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,000
thought about it so that if you're not

1597
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,400
able to lower the price

1598
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,960
that we're not we don't have a, you

1599
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,359
know, day one $315,000

1600
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,720
hit to this budget. You don't want to go

1601
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:23,359
through a project day one with that kind

1602
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,560
of, you know, budget deficit.

1603
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:25,680
» For sure.

1604
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,280
Um

1605
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I I

1606
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,280
» Help you with the staff report too. I

1607
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,680
mean, like I'm don't stress about that.

1608
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,720
Between Robert, you and me and Helga we

1609
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,800
can figure out how to Yeah. write that

1610
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:38,760
up. Yeah, that that

1611
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,240
I really appreciate that. Um

1612
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,280
Yeah, and and I think I think part of

1613
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,359
the

1614
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,800
um

1615
00:54:42,359 --> 00:54:45,800
you know, one of the questions that that

1616
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,400
we'd have for you is is uh whether you

1617
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,359
think, you know, where would be a more

1618
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:54,400
appropriate um place to to look for um

1619
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:56,400
savings uh and yeah, so

1620
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,880
you know, see our existing CIP funds

1621
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,520
versus scope of the projects and um

1622
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,040
yeah, these kind of Well, that's kind of

1623
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:06,280
a contract. I mean, I mean, yes

1624
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:08,680
the the city can start with, you know,

1625
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,400
what what what what um

1626
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,720
parks and lanes what what what broader

1627
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,760
public works infrastructure are you

1628
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:15,120
doing that one you don't think you're

1629
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,680
going to get to. Every year we don't get

1630
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,359
to projects, right? That happens all the

1631
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,520
time. So so so so

1632
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:21,960
figure out which are the ones we don't

1633
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,600
think we're going to get to

1634
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:28,960
and roll that into '27 '28 or '26 '27 or

1635
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,120
even '26 '27 '27 '28 and that's that's a

1636
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,440
that's appropriate that potentially

1637
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,760
could be used um for this recognizing

1638
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,560
you're just kicking a can down the road.

1639
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,560
It's not a savings, but

1640
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,359
but it's a new public works budget next

1641
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,280
year. Right. Yeah, exactly. And and if

1642
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:44,600
through your personal or a professional

1643
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,680
assessment

1644
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,640
that

1645
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,480
project can be deferred for that amount

1646
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,760
of time. I mean, that's got to be part

1647
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,280
of it as well.

1648
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,200
Yes, exactly. And I think I actually

1649
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,760
didn't get to that part of when I was

1650
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,160
talking about the CIPs and the and the

1651
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,720
paving um yeah, the It's got to be based

1652
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,200
on some assessment

1653
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:02,640
Well, exactly. Yeah,

1654
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,720
I mean, because there are as you say

1655
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,000
projects that roll over every year and

1656
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:09,720
there are also, you know, sort of

1657
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,359
forecast funds for

1658
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,880
for for different projects that you

1659
00:56:12,359 --> 00:56:16,200
know, won't be used for one reason or

1660
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,520
another and and can be pushed off to the

1661
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,400
following year. Yeah.

1662
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,120
And we'll just see if there are any I

1663
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,680
see Patrick has joined. If there are

1664
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,960
comments from Patrick or any I don't

1665
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,440
know if there are any other Robert or

1666
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,880
Rob or Glenn or anyone else who might

1667
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,160
not have a chance to speak about this

1668
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,160
and

1669
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,720
Robert, Patrick, Glenn, any

1670
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:36,880
Hey,

1671
00:56:36,869 --> 00:56:38,720
» [clears throat]

1672
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,080
» I can go ahead and comment. I've just

1673
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,560
been listening to this

1674
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,240
well, to the whole conversation, but on

1675
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,280
this last part we we did actually meet

1676
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:49,240
Tony, myself and Helga and take a look

1677
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:51,200
at our 20 our current budget in terms of

1678
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:53,920
rollover and then what we're looking at

1679
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,720
for next year in terms of projects that

1680
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,560
have funds assigned, but not necessarily

1681
00:56:55,720 --> 00:57:00,920
a project earmarked for those funds. So,

1682
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,440
I think there um you know, to Peter and

1683
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,320
and Tony to your point there is enough

1684
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,120
flexibility in the next, you know, this

1685
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,920
current year and next year

1686
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,600
we need to we we can find a way to pay

1687
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,680
for this 315. Um but but the broader

1688
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,080
point is let's let's work really hard

1689
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,600
and try and bring the cost down, which

1690
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,120
is of course what we'll present to city

1691
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,120
council.

1692
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,480
Yeah,

1693
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,359
and so and this is just Robbie, you've

1694
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,200
just reminded me of another thing that's

1695
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:30,640
um

1696
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:34,000
we would like to emphasize is that we

1697
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,480
have no plans to request more funds from

1698
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,200
from reserves

1699
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,800
uh from general fund or critical

1700
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,160
infrastructure reserves.

1701
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,320
Um the you know, all the all the cost

1702
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:46,480
savings would come from existing and

1703
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,640
forecast funds and from the projects

1704
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,040
itself.

1705
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,720
Yeah.

1706
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,200
That's a bit that's that's

1707
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,240
sort of splitting hairs because it's

1708
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,440
Well,

1709
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,080
it's just going to be it really comes

1710
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,720
from the city

1711
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,080
» All all the same funds. So, it's a

1712
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,120
matter of Right.

1713
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,680
» Whether it's

1714
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:05,359
in an existing appropriation or not.

1715
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:07,240
Right. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. We

1716
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:08,080
can't print money. So, it's it's at the

1717
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,160
end of the day it's coming from

1718
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,359
something or we're not doing something.

1719
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,800
Oh, yeah, exactly. We're putting

1720
00:58:12,359 --> 00:58:17,080
deferring something or yeah. But I I I

1721
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,240
think Robert said it exactly right and

1722
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,359
Yeah. we can we can endeavor to to make

1723
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,520
that presentation and I'll and I'll

1724
00:58:20,359 --> 00:58:23,200
certainly

1725
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,359
be part of that and help explain it to

1726
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,920
the council as we go forward.

1727
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:29,359
Yeah, well, thank you. Yeah.

1728
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,320
Okay, well, there's no further

1729
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:33,080
discussion. It seems like we should try

1730
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,800
and bring our our committee's

1731
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:38,200
recommendation to our to a vote and

1732
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,400
I think the movement is that the sub

1733
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,440
committee

1734
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,680
will vote to

1735
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,080
um

1736
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,480
I guess

1737
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:49,040
that the vote along with the the staff

1738
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,320
has made the proper recommendation to

1739
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,600
the city council subject to the

1740
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:57,040
adjustments and sort of

1741
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,359
financing and payment. Um

1742
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,120
and I I I guess we're not quite

1743
00:58:58,359 --> 00:59:01,720
endorsing that the the committee should

1744
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,120
do this, but the committee supports the

1745
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,200
staff's recommendation. I think you said

1746
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,680
it exactly right that that that we we

1747
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,440
support the recommendation of the of the

1748
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,600
city staff that

1749
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,400
Gordon Ball is the is is the contractor

1750
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,240
to select and that

1751
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,359
um

1752
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,640
uh we encourage the the staff in the

1753
00:59:16,359 --> 00:59:19,640
presentation to city council to to focus

1754
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,800
on

1755
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:24,320
you know, value engineering and and and

1756
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,480
scope considerations and then identify

1757
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,880
where the

1758
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,320
surplus $315,000 can come from within

1759
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,160
existing budgets.

1760
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,160
I was um [clears throat] may I move into

1761
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,880
the vote on that?

1762
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,840
Uh second that.

1763
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,800
I can second that. And all all in favor,

1764
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,800
I

1765
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,520
I think it's just the three of us

1766
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,640
Well, thank you. Yeah, and hopefully the

1767
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,360
the speaker caught all of the

1768
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,680
caught all of the language in there.

1769
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,920
It's much better than the last one, I

1770
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,560
know that.

1771
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,560
Um so, the microphone of the speaker,

1772
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,440
yeah.

1773
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,240
And so, this may be the final time we'll

1774
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,160
have to meet, I guess maybe subject to

1775
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,760
Yeah, I don't know.

1776
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:05,600
Robert, remind me, do we think it makes

1777
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:07,560
sense to because because there's still

1778
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,720
as you mentioned between BCDC, Genie,

1779
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,840
and the

1780
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:14,400
easements and the ultimate, you know,

1781
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,960
issues of permits and getting going. Uh

1782
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,480
and and after all, this committee

1783
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,160
is designed to be the eyes and ears of

1784
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,400
the community just just just just to

1785
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,960
understand and, you know, either

1786
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,560
anecdotally or or publicly make a

1787
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,720
comment that, you know, we've been aware

1788
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,080
of what's going on. I'd suggest another

1789
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,000
in, you know,

1790
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,400
if not one or two month at monthly

1791
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,000
intervals, just to check in where you

1792
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,200
are in this process

1793
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,280
um so that the next month you presumably

1794
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,440
would have received city council

1795
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:41,880
approval, you presumably would have

1796
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,480
engaged in a contract with Gordon Ball,

1797
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,280
and have those initial discussions, and

1798
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,000
have a tentative timeline for the

1799
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,480
project. That would be So, in about a

1800
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,160
month's time from now That's what I

1801
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,320
think unless you think that's that's too

1802
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,800
soon.

1803
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,080
Um

1804
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,560
No, I think I think there would be uh

1805
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:01,360
quite a few there'd be a few updates in

1806
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:03,560
a month's time. Um and we can

1807
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,880
possibly, you know, change the date if

1808
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,720
if we need to if we're waiting on for

1809
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,560
some, you know, some

1810
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:12,480
um decision or something. Robert, that's

1811
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:16,400
not surpassing the the the um

1812
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:18,480
charter or design of this subcommittee?

1813
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,800
No, the the subcommittee is ad hoc. We

1814
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:23,600
can't exist forever. Um but if we have a

1815
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,960
clear ending point which may align

1816
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,680
you know, with the duration of the

1817
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:29,400
project and maybe at the close out uh

1818
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,080
we'll have a final report that goes back

1819
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,040
to council. I think that's still the

1820
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,480
scope. Yeah, I would agree. I think it'd

1821
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,880
be good to meet in another month.

1822
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,400
And actually maybe throughout the until

1823
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,800
the project is completed I absolutely We

1824
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,080
discussed even having maybe one

1825
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,600
committee member available for whether

1826
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:47,320
it be every construction meeting, but at

1827
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,680
least it's certainly up to speed whether

1828
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,120
it's even also a follow-up after our

1829
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,640
construction meeting with the

1830
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,560
contractor. I'm under the impression

1831
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,520
we'll be doing those weekly. Could be a

1832
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,080
bi-weekly check-in or something of that

1833
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,440
nature, but I think that it's very

1834
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,160
important to keep you guys in the loop

1835
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,080
throughout the process, too. You know,

1836
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,280
we'll also have the have the contract

1837
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,040
happening,

1838
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,880
it sounds like. So, you'll you'll bring

1839
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:13,200
this to council in April?

1840
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,600
Yes. Yeah, that is the plan. Okay. Yeah.

1841
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,920
Um

1842
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,360
Yeah, so April 13th

1843
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,120
um and

1844
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,800
yeah, unfortunately, I'm going to be out

1845
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:26,200
of town for a couple of weeks here, but

1846
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:29,080
I have the the draft staff report and um

1847
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:31,440
you know, uh I think the finance the

1848
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,160
fiscal impact section is is the part we

1849
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,480
need to um

1850
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:37,400
drill down into. Yeah.

1851
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,000
But uh

1852
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,680
yeah, that and hopefully the

1853
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,480
construction easements

1854
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,680
and maybe even a contract for the other

1855
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,680
portion of the work if that can all

1856
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,120
happen in in in April,

1857
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:51,440
uh that would be There's no bid

1858
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,240
requirement for that? Is that the bid

1859
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,240
threshold or something? They would

1860
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,040
typically be, yes,

1861
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,400
but there is in this case

1862
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,320
what's called a sole source

1863
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,720
justification

1864
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:06,000
for for this for this contract

1865
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,040
because they have specialized

1866
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,360
knowledge of that company.

1867
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:12,720
» Installed it.

1868
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,720
Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

1869
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,840
Yeah, and

1870
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,480
but that's, you know, these are all

1871
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,360
updates that can can come at the next

1872
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,040
meeting for sure. Yeah. Okay, so we'll

1873
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,000
plan on having a meeting probably late

1874
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,680
April after the city council meeting and

1875
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,960
after progress has been made. Um

1876
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,040
and then we'll see

1877
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,960
periodically after after that. Um would

1878
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,040
you like to pencil in a date now that we

1879
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,720
can

1880
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,360
uh

1881
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:38,480
or or uh

1882
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,600
Would you Yeah. prefer to to wait and

1883
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,840
have a a poll maybe further down the

1884
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,800
line? If we if we sort of have a a

1885
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,840
target date that we are, you know, can

1886
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,120
then confirm, I think um

1887
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,560
All right, for me that always seems to

1888
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:53,760
work work better.

1889
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:55,880
So, maybe the week of the 27th?

1890
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,680
Okay.

1891
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,000
I'm gone that whole week.

1892
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,040
Are you there the week of the 20th? I'm

1893
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,040
there the 20th.

1894
01:04:02,359 --> 01:04:08,160
I I'm here the week of the 20th.

1895
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,120
When does city council act? Uh you said

1896
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,040
it was the

1897
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:13,720
13th. 13th, yeah. So, that's great.

1898
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,440
So, that's a week after the city council

1899
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,400
meeting. But you might not have made

1900
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,600
much progress with the contract. Yeah,

1901
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,160
it might be a little soon. Might shoot

1902
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,680
for beginning of May, like the week of

1903
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,520
the 4th. Early May might be better. I'm

1904
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,040
away the week of the 4th, so I can do

1905
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,040
the Monday or Tuesday.

1906
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,880
And there's always, you know, we can

1907
01:04:28,359 --> 01:04:31,440
there's no reason this for emailing

1908
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,480
communication Personally, I could I

1909
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,200
could join a Zoom call.

1910
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,840
» Or even a remote call if that's Yeah.

1911
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,400
Yeah, I know it works for you. I guess

1912
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,280
it would do we if we're not voting on

1913
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,160
things necessarily, we don't have to all

1914
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,440
be present, correct? And

1915
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,880
I don't know what the or can we not have

1916
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,960
a meeting? It's not a Brown Act, I don't

1917
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,960
believe. Right, Robert?

1918
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,880
That is correct. I don't believe this is

1919
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,800
a Brown Act. I don't believe

1920
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,440
So, I mean If this same group is meeting

1921
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,320
Sorry, sorry. If this same group is

1922
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,600
meeting meeting the

1923
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,480
you know, the the core group that we

1924
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,440
have here today, then it is a Brown Act

1925
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,080
meeting. If it's just one person

1926
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,560
assigned to meet with staff and what's

1927
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,560
not

1928
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,720
Well, I I guess our question, Robert, is

1929
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,320
if

1930
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,760
we couldn't do this as a complete remote

1931
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,760
meeting.

1932
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,560
Right, we need to have a quorum. Then

1933
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,760
then the majority a majority of the

1934
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,320
members have to be in person.

1935
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,400
It worked out today because only one

1936
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,320
person

1937
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:28,840
member of that sub of the subcommittee

1938
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:30,960
was was connected remotely.

1939
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,840
Do we want to shoot for say Wednesday

1940
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,680
the 6th and

1941
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,640
if John can't I did do it remotely, but

1942
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:39,240
I'm happy to do that remotely. Yeah,

1943
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,760
sure. Let's do that. Okay. Let's May the

1944
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,760
6th.

1945
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:51,320
2 2 p.m. Or sorry, 1 p.m.

1946
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:54,600
Yeah, if that time works for everyone.

1947
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,600
Keep it consistent, I guess.

1948
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,280
Okay.

1949
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:01,000
All right, I just need to raise one

1950
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:03,640
point.

1951
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,120
Yes, a design point. Yeah, uh go ahead.

1952
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,960
Yeah, that's okay.

1953
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,680
So, this is addressed to Stetson.

1954
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,680
Uh has to do with the height of the

1955
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,760
sheet piling.

1956
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,560
Larry's question to you apparently was

1957
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:18,200
misunderstood.

1958
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:20,480
He's asking why not

1959
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,880
maintain the level the

1960
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,000
» [clears throat]

1961
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,000
» Same as the existing sheet piling.

1962
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,600
Oh, the 2019 sheet piling, the top of

1963
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,080
it.

1964
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,359
Um

1965
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:35,000
» Maintaining that height. It was It was

1966
01:06:32,359 --> 01:06:38,440
primarily to save cost to to not have a

1967
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:41,760
higher sheets and more concrete backfill

1968
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:45,680
and any any fill you put along the wall

1969
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:47,520
um requires a mitigation from the

1970
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,920
jurisdiction. So, the wall where

1971
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,960
existing sheet piling

1972
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:55,560
is the new sheet piling. It's It's

1973
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,600
approximately a foot lower.

1974
01:06:55,560 --> 01:07:00,480
You're cutting it off.

1975
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:02,680
You're cutting off longer pieces anyway.

1976
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,960
Maybe. I mean, it depends where they

1977
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,600
where they drive it to. Well,

1978
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,040
I could drive it in and drive it in

1979
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,520
those. These aren't being driven.

1980
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,080
These aren't being driven. Yeah, they're

1981
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:15,240
being pressed. There's no driving.

1982
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,800
There there will be a It's that We did

1983
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,400
We did We did design it so there's a

1984
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,160
It's a It's a It'll be a gradual

1985
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,840
transition, so it's not going to be a an

1986
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,240
abrupt, you know,

1987
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,000
90° change. It's There is going to be a

1988
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,840
transition

1989
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,680
over over a period of a horizontal

1990
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,440
distance, so

1991
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,359
» And and the 2019

1992
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,720
repair has one as well. There's a a

1993
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:37,120
little slope down to two different

1994
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,920
elevations.

1995
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:41,920
Um but to add

1996
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:43,800
Julian to the reason for keep reasons to

1997
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,000
keep it keep it down, one is the

1998
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,880
permitting

1999
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,520
because permitting agencies um

2000
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:52,120
were

2001
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:54,359
happy to see that if that's the the all

2002
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,720
the pile would be kept below the the

2003
01:07:54,359 --> 01:07:58,600
height of

2004
01:07:55,720 --> 01:08:00,760
where the sea sea lettuce reaches

2005
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,080
because that would be colonized much

2006
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,760
more quickly by sea lettuce and

2007
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,359
barnacles and so on. So, the lower the

2008
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,120
better for them

2009
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:10,840
as far as habitat goes.

2010
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:13,080
Um then also aesthetics. Um right now

2011
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,040
from from the the homes along there or

2012
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,000
from from the water

2013
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,880
um

2014
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,600
it's it's less visible

2015
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,000
the the lower down it is.

2016
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,880
Um so,

2017
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:25,600
that along with the embedding the

2018
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,839
uh the gravel into the top of the

2019
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,680
concrete along there um

2020
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:31,680
you know, sort of the the permitting and

2021
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,719
and somewhat for aesthetics. So, we're

2022
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,600
talking about a foot.

2023
01:08:33,719 --> 01:08:38,200
About a foot, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

2024
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,520
Yeah, so I mean, and if you look at the

2025
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,880
the 2019 piles, there's a point on the

2026
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:45,000
piles where the barnacles stop. And then

2027
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,359
above that is just the the metal, you

2028
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,480
know. So, the idea here was that

2029
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:51,000
the this would be completely below that

2030
01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:54,160
that level of

2031
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,839
you know, habitat. Is Is there Is there

2032
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,560
inherently a

2033
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:59,680
you know, for the people viewing it from

2034
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,280
the water side or from the

2035
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,920
homes out there? Obviously,

2036
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,160
um

2037
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,359
I mean, there is every every aesthetic

2038
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,880
appeal to having it consistent as as

2039
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:09,640
much as consistent as as possible. Um

2040
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,719
but you're saying there's there's

2041
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,040
there's no structural need for it cuz

2042
01:09:11,719 --> 01:09:16,200
that the note we got today clearly said

2043
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,560
that the the the structural requirements

2044
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,560
are really down below as opposed to

2045
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,719
above. No structural need for it. My my

2046
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,000
biggest concern is is it would add

2047
01:09:21,719 --> 01:09:25,000
additional mitigation measures and

2048
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,640
potentially hold up the BCDC permitting

2049
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,040
process. Um you guys need to sort of

2050
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,759
give us a thumbs up and thumbs down

2051
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:33,040
this. I mean I see Larry's point that it

2052
01:09:30,759 --> 01:09:35,759
might look better if it was less It was

2053
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:38,160
all the same. jig jaggy.

2054
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:40,000
But not enough to delay or or the

2055
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,319
project or to have a cost consideration

2056
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,640
or have

2057
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,640
you know, permitting issues with you

2058
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,480
know, the lead agency there. Right.

2059
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,920
Yeah. Or even if we can do it from an

2060
01:09:47,480 --> 01:09:51,240
environmental perspective whether

2061
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,319
whether ours are are

2062
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,320
review covered that scope. But then

2063
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,760
again, we did we're we're we're we're

2064
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,680
we're we're

2065
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,360
we're we're I'm leaning on the broader

2066
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,520
review, right? So that matter that

2067
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,080
should matter. The environmental review

2068
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,880
should matter, right?

2069
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:09,200
No, so that it wouldn't I don't think

2070
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:11,560
impact the EIR if it was you know, if if

2071
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:14,320
what you're talking about is is the 2019

2072
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:17,120
sheet piles cuz I think that's

2073
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:20,160
probably what was kind of envisioned as

2074
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,880
the sort of a comparable Yeah, exactly.

2075
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,560
Yeah, I don't know if Julian if you have

2076
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,160
any thoughts on that. Well, it would

2077
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,320
require going back to all the agencies.

2078
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,840
It would be it would be more fill in the

2079
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,440
jurisdictional waters. So we'd have to

2080
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,200
restart or you know, renegotiate with

2081
01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:36,000
all the agencies and there would be a

2082
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,200
cost increase.

2083
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,200
Yeah.

2084
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,480
Any answer?

2085
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:44,520
» If I could chime in here too, from from

2086
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:45,960
what we've talked about on this project

2087
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,520
from the beginning we we always

2088
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,440
envisioned I think this aesthetic

2089
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,400
improvement that we're talking about

2090
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:53,880
whether that be a cap or riprap or some

2091
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,560
other kind of concealment method

2092
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,640
for hiding that you know, the steel

2093
01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:00,240
sheet piles and the concrete. That would

2094
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,960
always be coming as kind of a phase two.

2095
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,600
And it's just a matter of when we can

2096
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,640
get that done in terms of you know,

2097
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:08,000
perhaps the larger project or when funds

2098
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,040
are available. But you know, the

2099
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,880
structural [clears throat] component

2100
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,600
holding up the wall and you know,

2101
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,600
keeping the cost down low was always our

2102
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,920
primary target at least in the short

2103
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,920
term.

2104
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:22,480
Okay, I'll tell Larry. Thank you.

2105
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,600
Yeah, he raised it last month also. And

2106
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:25,200
I think

2107
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,800
Yeah. You should I don't know if Larry

2108
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:30,200
got that note you sent around today. Um

2109
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,960
Um I I think he uh

2110
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,520
with with the response from the state

2111
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,840
and I think he must have because I think

2112
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,920
that's what what you might be referring

2113
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,040
to then for the

2114
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,760
as far as the the misunderstanding. I

2115
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,720
think that's maybe what what he was

2116
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,280
referring He brought it up last week too

2117
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:48,400
last month too. So he he may or may not

2118
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,800
have it well.

2119
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,360
» Right. Yeah, and I I mean I I

2120
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,120
misunderstood it too actually cuz I

2121
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,640
thought he was talking about having a

2122
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,760
higher up

2123
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,520
you know,

2124
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,320
to support the wall. I think he just

2125
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,080
wanted it to match what was there. Yeah,

2126
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,120
I understand. And yes.

2127
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,800
And so

2128
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,640
Okay, I think we can adjourn unless

2129
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,040
there's any further comments. Thank you

2130
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:11,240
so much. So many thanks. Thanks. Yeah,

2131
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,800
thank you all. Thank you all so much.

2132
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,080
Thanks Robert.

2133
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,080
» Thanks Robert.

2134
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:18,640
What