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We are recording now.

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» We actually

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» the city clerk kind of goes through them
and uploads them.

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» So I think the February and March the
last last two meetings are up on our

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website.
>> Yeah.

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» On the subcommittee page.
>> Okay. Well, why don't we jump in? Do we

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start roll call for John Tantum? uh a
community member.

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» Uh we'll say Peter Mark, council
representative,

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» Tony Boyd, public works director.
>> Chris Barry, associate engineer.

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» Uh Patrick Feder, finance committee
representative.

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» Okay, good. Um next is approving the
minutes from our March 25th meeting. Um

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which Tony, you had had you distributed
those previously? Those

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may have been a link on the website, but
it doesn't look like we have a print out

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of them here. Um, so yeah, if you
haven't seen them, we can certainly make

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them available for the next meeting. Um,
I'm not sure if there was um

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I think I said,
>> first of all, do we have is I can't vote

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anyway. Do we is two a quorum?
>> Yes,

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» it's two out of three, so I'm sure it's
fine.

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» Yeah.
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» Um why don't we I I have not looked at
them. So why don't you not unless you

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feel otherwise let's let's not vote on
that now.

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» Yeah postpone that.
>> Yeah. Okay. That's that sounds good. And

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my apologies for that because um I
assume that with the agenda.

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» Okay. So that brings us to the meeting
itself. And Tony, your um memo dated

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yesterday was a useful summary. So I'll
turn it to you to to go through that and

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hit the the key points of discussion.
>> All right. Great. Yep. Thank you. Um

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chair.

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So I'm just seeing a phone call from
Adrian. Looks like I can email him the

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length. Yeah. Yeah. You should have it
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um we're being joined by Adrien Vier,
who's the construction manager. Um

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yeah, so uh the purpose of this meeting
is to uh update you on on the

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developments um that have uh occurred uh
since since we last met. Um and

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um I can run through my memo and share a
couple of images of some of the uh some

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of the details in it. Um
so starting with the contract, city

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council approved the contract um as was
uh well u recommended by this committee

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and staff uh to Gordon uh awarded to
Gordon Nball Construction

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um and that's been executed. So all the
communications with them are now formal

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communications and um they've um provi
pro provided some submittals and um yeah

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so we are moving forward with them.
We've actually had a pre-construction

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meeting um to establish you know sort of
the uh lines of communication and so on.

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Um and we've also had um an on-site
meeting which I'll get into a little bit

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later. But uh
as far as the project goes, starting

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with the permits, we have two
outstanding permits. Uh BCDC have

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approved um our application. Um but
their draft permit is in review and um

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they're unable to give us an exact date.
They say they are trying to expedite it,

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but the only definite date that we know
from them is they're uh they have to

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provide us with something by uh June the
22nd. Um, so that's uh BCDC.

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» So can you what does BCDC stand for?
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and development commission.
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» Yeah. Um, and they um they regulate uh
activities in the water um from um I

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believe it's the the mean high tide line
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everything in that zone has to be
approved by them.

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» So the June 22nd deadline, is that for a
a permit or is could they like something

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other than a permit by then like a like
a postponement or a

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» Oh, no, that's that's for a permit. So
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uh the draft that they have is for a um
approved an approved permit.

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» Yeah.
>> And you have a you have a a completeness

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confirmation
or or or there equivalency of that? Um,

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I'm not sure. I mean, I I can uh
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determine to pro the the I'm sure that
they're referring to the streamline

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permitting act, permitting streamlining
act, I should say. Um, if they determine

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something's not complete, that will
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» Yeah. So, my understanding is that they
um they confirmed that that the

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application is complete upon in uh sort
of in the first stage. Um it was then

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approved um and then um the the permit
was drafted and is now in review. Um

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that's that's my understanding and I and
I I can certainly confirm that with our

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consultants to just make sure that
there's there's no possibility of any um

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any detours.
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we should you know cross our tees and
dot our eyes just make sure at every

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step of the way that
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» we're not doing something or leaving
something off the table and that needs

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to be done.
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certainly um
make sure that uh that we get some some

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of those details um yeah the second
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Engineers um
and that's been quite a frustrating

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process um but
to to uh to summarize where we are now

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with them is is that um they uh they've
started a form consultation process,

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which means that they forward our
application to other agencies for

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review. Um, and it seems like Noah, um,
fisheries in particular were interested

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in in a more formal review. Um, so we've
now met with them and their biologist um

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to really to just try and um move this
thing along as quickly as possible. um

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ask if there's any information that we
still need to provide. Um they had said

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uh prelim before the meeting they had
said we will likely need a a survey um a

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benthographic survey of the eel grass um
beds near in the vicinity which our

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consultant thought was unreasonable um
that that there's there are no eel grass

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beds within
uh 40 50 ft of the site. Um and

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» if that I mean does the marinas have
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conducting marine activities if they're
eager there right I mean isn't that

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» well um yeah I think if that is the is
the main thing yeah it's the the problem

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was so he had done a survey and he's a
he's a biologist himself so he's able to

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provide a a sort of you know a survey
within the within the guidelines that

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they that they need um but it was from
land with binoculars um and they wanted

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something more substantial okay um he
feels that this is not not unfortunately

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not that uncommon sometimes because but
if they just don't have very much

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information about an area they might uh
they might like to get that and they'll

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use a project like this to obtain it.
But we were able to um uh you know with

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with a another consultant um able to
explain to them um what what it looks

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like out here um and they said they'd be
fine with a preliminary slogan. So, um,

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at this point, that's what we're doing.
We are, uh, we have a pre, uh, a

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proposal for a preliminary survey. Um,
and then the potential, uh,

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pre-construction survey and post
construction survey are lined up as well

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in case in case that's needed.
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wall retrofit, didn't we have to go
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» Nope. Nope. And believe it or not, it
was the same uh reviewer from from Noah

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um who said it wasn't needed at that
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» So was involved with a preliminary
survey. Is this something we have to

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contract you to come do the
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there's a there's a company I I don't
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certifications are that are needed, but
um it's uh it's a company out of San

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Francisco that's familiar with Noah um
sort of parameters of what they need. Um

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they're going to come out at low tide uh
walk out as far as they can in the water

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and identify if there are any signs of
of wheelgrass. Um and I believe probably

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similar to what what our our consultant
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estimating a distance of any signs of
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um and then presenting it as you know in
a in a sort of a formal report. So they

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have not done that yet. Is that
scheduled to be done? But yeah, we're

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we're um we're working through the
details of the contract right now. Um

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they just need some insurance um changes
for us to be able to for them to

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schedule the work and get the contract
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Um but that said, um the the Noah
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her um she was she she uh she was fine
with our assurances that we were going

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to go ahead and do it. um we need the
permit, you know, if this is what we

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need to do, then fine, let's do it. Um
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the conditions. So, um she was happy to
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back to the Army Corp of Engineers.
Um yeah, when we asked, you know, what

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how long did did she think that would
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» until she gets hers to the armed?
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everything she needs to do. Um yeah,
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Um she she uh she noted that um that
they had lost 40% of their staff and

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that um this was this this project was
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of of of work in in her inbox, I guess.
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uh she expects to return it to the Army
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middle of June. um communications with
with the construction manager um who uh

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is familiar with with these permits,
more familiar than I am certainly um

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said that they can they usually turn it
around quite quickly once once the army

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have received their documentation. Um
but we don't have we don't have an exact

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timeline for that. Um and they don't
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we dec. Uh so
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so at this point that's that's as far as
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um
yeah we're we're um in touch with them

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constantly reminding them that uh we
have a schedule and that's our deadline.

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the window that we're working in started
starts on June the 1st and closes on

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October 30th. That's the environmental
window. Um if if it goes beyond October

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30th, we need special permission for
that. Um and it's usually either a daily

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or a weekly uh permit that we obtain. So
it's not something that's that we plan

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on having to do.
Um but yeah that is the sort of the

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loose end that we don't um don't have
any control of right now. Um yeah

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moving on to utility coordination. Um
and I will actually share my screen here

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so we can take a look at the utilities
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Is it usually to turn into a panelist?

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Nice.

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All right. those attendees people who
should be at the meeting.

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» It's Yes, it's Adrian Cormier the
commander. Do you want to put him up? I

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mean, because he he can't talk if he's
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elevated to a panelist, I think.

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up any second.
Um, I'm just going to turn the screen. I

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think it might be him.

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» See,

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just uh gives us a a view of of what
we're dealing with in here.

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Um the main
the main work that needs to happen

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before the project is a P Gen joint
trench which is this yellow and black

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line. Um want to get up there? Maybe.
Yeah, that would be good. Thanks, Chris.

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Delay. There we go. Yep. It's that
yellow and black line over there. Um is

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it also the one on the other side of it
too?

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Right there. Chris to your left. Right
here. Nope. card right there.

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» Oh, that that's a Comcast.
>> Okay. Yeah, that is also yellow and

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black, your own. Um
Yeah. Okay. Um that's not a joint trench

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that Comcast using, but they are
participating in the joint trench on the

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right hand side of the screen. So, that
joint trench will be removing um all of

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the existing utilities which are shown
with the the black uh hash marks through

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them. Um uh so they're all going to be
replaced with this with um this joint

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trench here um that's going to reconnect
all the homes. Um that will be in place

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before the project so that when uh
excavation begins and the sheet piles

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all go in and this road the inroad
alignment um there's going to be no

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disruptions to uh to the properties uh
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» do they dig up the old services or just
abandon them where they are? I I believe

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they just abandoned them. Yeah. Yeah.
>> They usually just cut and cap.

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» Yeah.
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» Yeah. Um the the water line that's shown
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um will be a separate uh project and the
water district will be um I think they

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have already installed a um a temporary
two temporary shut off valves and pipe

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that they'll be able to so when the when
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work begins they'll come and uh shut off
valves remove their pipe let the sheep

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pile pass and then uh return it um as
soon as it's complete. Um why why are

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they able to cross the sheep piles where
otherwise can't? Well um the main reason

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is they're actually more nimble. Um so
they can be there uh on the day or uh in

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the morning of of uh the the
construction. Um and so they can plan to

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just be there for that wait until the
the sheet paths have passed and then

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restore the the line. Um PG& can't
guarantee that. Um so the options for EG

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were either to um uh install a bypass a
temporary bypass uh for until

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construction was complete um and then
and then reconnect their line um or um

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reconfigure their their holes. Um
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those properties below it and it goes
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» Yes, exactly. Um and
>> so that's all the water needs to do is

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what Chris showed us that one line.
That's that's it. just need to

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disconnect and connect
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» Yeah. Just for that and then the normal
connection is remain.

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» Yep. Exactly.
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there are two two gas lines actually. So

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the two uh coming down from the other
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hash marks and then a single electric
line um that are being abandoned and

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replaced.
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sewer district line which is the green
one on the left hand side. Uh that's

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actually a private lateral that goes to
to the sewer district line. Um and that

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uh the the contractor will be um uh
excavating exposing and um uh similar

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thing to what the water district's
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or um
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» uh Gordon and B. Yeah. So when they do
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cap cap and we connect.
>> Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Uh Comcast. Okay. So the next

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» Do we know what that is? I mean, could
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» Uh I don't recall. Did we I know there
was San Die. They don't know. It's not

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their line, right? So it could be could
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» Yeah. Right. Exactly.
>> Yeah. Exactly. That we we were hoping to

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do the same thing on West West Shore a
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to be PVC and it wasn't and that caused
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» really. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Clay is
is a lot a lot more difficult to

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» Well, you can't you can't cut and
replace as easily,

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» right? Yeah. Um
>> they'll they'll be prepared, I imagine.

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» Yes. Yeah. And it's kind of on them to
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thankfully, not that we don't want to
also know, but um yeah. Um

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so let's see the the next area of
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not really shown in this in this image
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But um I will get to the right page here

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and
yeah we can we can look at these gang

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ways. Um
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at gangway one we've got water, gas and
electric that all um converge at gangway

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one. And then um that's how they um
that's how this building this first

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building 16 to 20 beach road um uh has
its utilities. Uh gangway 2 has no

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utilities and gangway 3 has water and
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yeah, so I don't want to jump to that
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My notes,

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right? I mean, none of the utilities
you've been talking to have have raised

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timing issues or obstacles with the
schedule. Is that is that correct or

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what's the summary there?
>> Um, right. Yeah, thank you. Um, the PG&

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were the were the main concern because
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project for that joint trench. Um, and
the interesting thing with PG& is that

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gas and electric are almost separate
entities. they they really barely ever

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communicate with each other and so
getting them to communicate for a joint

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trench was was interesting. Um we do
have a date from them though. Um it took

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took a little it took a while but they
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last week of June and first week of July
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Um they've applied for encroachment
permits. So that's um

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uh they've assured us that that's um
that's the soonest they can get to it.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. And that when they do that, their

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work will include uh temporary electric
service uh for the for the private um uh

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facil the private buildings over here.
Um that we'll get to in a minute. Um

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» and their work would could could go
whether we're we've been or not.

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» Correct. Yep. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It
needs to happen before the project. um

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in any case.
>> Mhm.

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» Um so yeah, it's yeah, just that they're
doing it is uh is the main thing. Um

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» but none of the other utilities and you
didn't mention AT&T. Are they are they

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there too? Is that another
>> No, they're not. Um so they had a copper

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uh a co a single copper wire um that
they uh that was not in in service and

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is is won't be brought back into use.
So, uh, they were happy to abandon that.

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» So, it's only Comcast that's providing
TCO.

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» Correct. Yeah. Yeah. They're the only,
uh, provider up there. Okay. Yeah.

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» Um, yeah.
>> Would you put in would you would it make

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sense to put an additional conduit for
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we've talked about broader um, telecom
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would would it would it be I mean they
were talking about that with the 131

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project is just laying down conduit for
some future you know service provider.

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» It's an interesting thought. Um I think
uh because the and maybe that might uh

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might be useful for the inroad work. Um
but I think because the the the the top

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height elevation of the the sheet piles
is quite far down the wall. Um, anything

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that would need to come through to the
homes would be above the definition.

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» I know. Why rip it up? I mean, that's if
you're if if you

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» Yeah.
>> It's not appropriate.

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» Yeah. Yeah. No, but it's I mean, it's
like while while we have it open.

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» Actually, surprised AT&T's not wanting
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» Well, I I think I think um normal
telecom is just abandoning, you know,

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area after area.
>> Yeah. Um that that was the issue with

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131 is that no one wants to service this
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don't want to take it's just not it's
just not worth their they won't get the

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service agreements down the road for the
level of uh infrastructure improvements.

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» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah. It's
amazing. Comcast and AT&T whenever we

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deal with them on anything um to try and
be proactive. For example, uh temporary

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service here that will be that will be
needed. Um they are very reluctant to to

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do anything. They're um pretty much the
only time that they will come out

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definitely is is when um when
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repair it or
>> our contractors, Gordon, they should

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they should be able to do it. Yeah. It's
not high technology.

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» Correct. Yeah. And that's So, we're
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setting the whole thing up for them to
be able to pull their wire through for a

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temporary connect and they've uh and
they've confirmed that they'll be

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» uh they'll they'll be there for that.
But yeah, they, you know, they're not

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having to do any work for it. They just,
you know, arrive and plug it in. Um, but

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that's fine. It's not, you know, it's
not, it's not difficult, uh, or costly

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work. Um, yeah, two more things with the
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um, and speaking of,
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Comcast,

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hold on.

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Uh so that uh that line that you pointed
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that is that is a Comcast line. Um so
that will reconnect uh their line that's

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going to be um cut with with the sheet
piles. So they have two two access uh

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lines to these buildings. One one from
that that side and the other that will

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now be coming through the joint trench
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another issue that um, uh, when we met

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with the contractor and and these
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um, came to light was a a sewer line
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u basically at main road that hadn't
been been marked in the uh, in the

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original surveys or the initial surveys
of the site. So are not isn't shown in

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the plan. Um, and that runs under the
seaw wall. Uh so um that's going to have

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to be dealt with uh one way or another.
Um it's about 10 ft from the end of the

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um that the the extent of the the sheet
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going to uh we're going to ask the
contractor for a submitt for how to um

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uh bridge that bridge over that.
>> Sorry, I was writing what was that was

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that service for?
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that wasn't marked uh in the first uh
you know in the first stages of the

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design really when all the utilities
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I can show a picture of that as well but
um but yeah the the important thing

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really is that it's there.
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yeah,
let's see. Um

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so that's where we are with utilities.
Basically that loose end is is is is

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tied up as far as PG& are concerned. Um
where the modifications are concerned

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with the private utilities I'll move
into next because um that's an area that

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we're we're looking at quite closely
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uh the the team feels that there is
potential for um improvement in that

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area. Um the the engineering design
originally called for uh for the seaw

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wall um or or the sheet pile alignment
on the outside of the seaw wall uh to to

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cross through all of these gang ways. Um
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» sorry. Yes. under the gang ways. Um
which means removing the gang ways um

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and uh making sure that all the
utilities to the residents are not uh

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are not impacted or you know bypasses
and temporary services are provided and

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so on. Um, so you can see the total
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talking about is sort of just actually
in the overlap pretty much of those uh,

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yeah, it's uh, those
>> those three gang ways right there,

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right?
>> Those two and and gang way one as well

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actually is what we've been um, focused
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there's
um the original proposal for those um

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was for the alignment that's in the
street um alignment B um basically to

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continue um past all the gangways and uh
and then uh overlap with the the

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alignment on the seabboard side just as
it does right there. So that sorry just

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so that's the blue line there extending
past all the one on the the top the

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topmost blue line extending all the way
past the gang way number one is that was

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the correct
>> yeah exactly that was the original

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proposal
um and after looking at it closely the

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design engineers uh and speaking to the
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found that it was it it was not
cost-ffective um

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uh the the the costly part of that is
the the beams that need to go across

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from the the
the sheet piles in the street need these

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reinforced beams that to connect to the
seaw wall. Um and that that would have

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been very costly. Um
uh the other thing actually is that at

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gangway one there's a a cluster of of
utilities in the street um that would

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have made it very difficult uh for the
contractor to to install the the sheet

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piles there.
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» so, so, so at the end of the
>> building, I don't know the address, I

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can't see that. But before the Gangway
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» you've now shifted that to the water
side to the extent of the gangway

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building,
right? That that that upper blue line

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was longer to the right before. Now it's
longer to the left below it, right?

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» Yeah. Well, so that's Yeah, exactly. And
this actually came up in the early

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stages of of the design but was
discussed um just because it was you

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know clear that there were going to be
issues over here. Um so this is this

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this is the original design right now.
There's there's an overlap over here and

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um this this alignment over here has
these these reinforced beams that go

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across and connect to the uh to the seaw
wall with these helical anchors that are

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all um driven in as well. Um so the
first proposal was to basically extend

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that just past that that gang way that
there's that same kind of overlap over

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here and then continue on the on the
seabboard side over there. Um yeah it

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wasn't cost effective and the geotech
>> this is the yeah this but this is a

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revised plan. This is revisit
>> yeah this is revised from the early

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design conversation. Yeah. Yeah. So this
is this is the this is the 100% plan

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that um that went out for bid.
>> It was one considered before that that

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where that extended that
>> got it wall.

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» Exactly. It was considered an early
stage of design and um what brought it

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up?
>> I'm sorry. So this is better or we're

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going back to what was considered
before.

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» Well, so this is this is in place
basically um you know until

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construction, but we are uh trying to
find ways to improve it.

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» So you'd rather put it in the street
where those gangways are? Um that was so

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yeah where the gang ways are is where is
where there's there's a sort of complex

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set of issues. Um so putting it in the
street was one was one option um that uh

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that the team looked at um and you first
of all it wasn't cost effective because

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of the beams. Um second of all the
geotechnical engineer um was uh

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there are issues with it from the
geotechnical perspective because it

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doesn't provide toe protection for the
seaw wall.

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» Um so right now there's erosion that's
happening from this from from the waves

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over here.
>> Um but there's a building right here

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right on the seaw wall. So the erosion
doesn't doesn't impact this section of

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the seaw wall as much as it does does
over here. And in fact this section over

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here is where it's where it's the worst.
Um so over here it's acceptable to the

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geotech to put the uh to put the
alignment behind the the seaw wall and

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connect it with with with beams. But
over here he was he wasn't he didn't

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like that idea. Basically, um he
basically said if you're going to do

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that, if you're going to have this
extended out to here, then you'd also

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have to add toe protection on this side
of the wall in any case. Um because

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because that would, you know, you're
losing that then.

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That makes sense. Yeah. You'd be cutting
this out. See this this part of the of

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the alignment would be removed um and
and basically moved to the back of the

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seaw wall over here which would leave
the front or the front of the concrete

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seaw wall there exposed.
>> Right. But now you're considering an

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alternate to this currently and what
what might that look like? What might

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the new lead alternate be?
>> Yeah. So it's we're I I I can share

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uh with you what we u exactly what we've
been discussing. Uh this would probably

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be helpful. Um and
uh yeah,

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it up here. But

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So, this is probably quite useful. Um,

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I'll share what I was uh what I was just
talking about first.

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Okay. So yeah, basically that's
uh yeah, the very basic sketch of what

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was being discussed. Uh so
along the top there would be uh would be

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the new the continued alignment of the
sheet piles and then you'd have these

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beams going across uh to the to the seaw
wall. Um, yeah. So, that's

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» But I thought I said I thought you said
they didn't want to do that.

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» Yeah, correct. Yeah. Sorry. I'm really
just illustrating. Um,

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» okay. Sorry.
>> Uh,

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» so that's not that's not proposed
either. That's that that was one. We're

410
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:39,680
at two. You're trying to You're
proposing three.

411
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:45,040
» Uh, yes, exactly. And it's really just
to give you an idea of of um how this

412
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:50,680
has all been discussed and how you know
kind of different ideas have been

413
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,680
arrived at. Um

414
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:57,079
and yeah so I can share what we have
here.

415
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,880
This is what we're discussing right now.

416
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:17,320
Um, so it's a much more subsurgical
approach.

417
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,320
Um,

418
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160
I guess

419
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:34,800
I can Yeah, just to do a quick run
through. Uh, so basically these red

420
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,320
lines over here.
um

421
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:42,720
» say a little better.
>> That's right. Yeah, I think it is. Um

422
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:47,440
would be where new alignments would be.
So basically at each gang way. Um so we

423
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:52,800
put the two gangs here, one there and
one here. Um we've actually moved on

424
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:57,280
from this design because we discussed
this with the contractor and said how

425
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:03,200
feasible do you think this would be? Uh
before we go into you know get a a

426
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:07,359
technical drawing to you. Um they looked
at it carefully. they came back and said

427
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:11,280
that this gang way over here is not
doable not not like this because of all

428
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:17,599
these utilities that you've got in this
area. Um their uh their recommendation

429
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:23,680
is to stick with the plan, remove the
remove this gang way and keep with the

430
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:29,280
the outboard alignment of sheet piles.
Um so we've taken that on board. Um over

431
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:34,160
here
um this is this is a complicated gang

432
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:39,280
way because you have a sewer line that
actually runs on both sides of the gang

433
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:46,000
way quite low down closer to the water.
Um and um you also have a water line

434
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,640
that runs through there. Um the sewer
line runs all the way around the

435
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:53,760
footing. There's a concrete footing
under this gang way and part of it would

436
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:58,880
be above exactly above where the where
this uh where this the sheet piles would

437
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:04,560
be driven in. So that would all have to
be removed temporarily, bypasses

438
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:10,720
installed possibly with pumps um and and
then restored afterwards, which is which

439
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:13,520
is complicated. Um and so this section
here, this gang doesn't have any

440
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:19,760
utilities. So this is actually the
easiest gang to remove. Um the only

441
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:26,720
disruption to residents is access. Um
right now um we're down to this one. Um

442
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:32,560
so basically over here at this gang way
number three it's called um the the

443
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:39,119
um the sheet piles on the on the
outboard side would be up would start

444
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:44,000
over here, end over here and then on
this side they would start here and

445
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:48,000
continue over there. uh and and we're
going to have a uh a section of sheet

446
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:52,000
pile under the sidewalk. This is the
proposal. We've yet to see the the cost.

447
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:55,920
Um it seems like it should be cost
effective, especially considering all

448
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,359
the utility kind of uh work that would
be that would be needed for it. It also

449
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:05,440
would be less disruptive for the
residents uh because um it would make it

450
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:10,480
would keep access open for longer
wouldn't be removed. Um

451
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:15,599
» so the 30 foot um sheet pile installed
along the back of the seaw wall that

452
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:22,160
wouldn't
penetrate or interfere with utilities.

453
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:28,320
It would erode right. So yes there there
would still be utility work needed over

454
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:32,640
here but it would be um a lot easier
basically under the sidewalk over here

455
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:38,320
it would be a problem. Um, but over here
it's it's doable

456
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:41,520
or it's I should say it's it's not as
complicated to do it under the sidewalk

457
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,320
as it is to do it under the gang way.
>> Is it cheaper to do that or is it just

458
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,320
because you can't because you're not
removing the gang ways?

459
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:53,839
» Um, well, we've we've yet to get an
actual proposal from them with with

460
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:59,200
cost. Um, but um the gang way the gang
way removal is fairly straightforward.

461
00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:04,320
It's a carpentry task that's um it's it
involves some custom work. So it's it it

462
00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:08,320
it's it's it is detailed. Um but because
the utilities are servicing the homes

463
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:15,040
with people in there and they need to be
maintained, that's what makes um all the

464
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:19,040
utility work um costly really.
>> No, I know. I'm trying to I'm trying to

465
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,800
understand how this option is less
expensive than removing it, installing

466
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,400
the sheet piles as planned and put
putting the gang ways back because you

467
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:29,760
still have utility work.
The only difference seems to be you're

468
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,839
not doing you're putting inland sheet
piles versus waterbound sheet piles and

469
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,680
you're even putting the shallow sheet
piles there for aesthetic purposes. It's

470
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:40,400
it says in a note so I don't understand
outside of sheep are optional. It may be

471
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,839
I'm just I don't I'm not
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's um and maybe

472
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,920
let me show you a picture of that gang
way so we can get a sense.

473
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,160
» We don't need to get into too much
detail. I I guess

474
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,800
if if it's cheaper because you're not
remove the gang way. That's the answer.

475
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:59,440
Pardon me.
>> It may that's the answer because if if

476
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:04,160
it's if that if that inbound just
against the wall rebolted we don't have

477
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:09,040
to do the this the the the detach
separate connectors which you talked

478
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:12,400
about before. Um
I remember last meeting we talked about

479
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,680
that and there was a question is why why
are we detaching it so far? like why

480
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,680
don't you put it right up against the
wall and here they seem to be proposing

481
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,560
this now but there was some reason why
you didn't put it up against the wall

482
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,680
the whole way because I didn't think
there was a question why you doing

483
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,319
anything water bound why wouldn't you
just put it right along the wall on the

484
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,920
inside and bolt it to the wall
>> right

485
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:35,280
» and there was some discussion that it
was better to give some distance

486
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:40,800
especially where the building was
>> yeah um that's that's a very good point

487
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:44,480
and I don't recall what that was why we
why we're not doing it directly under

488
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:49,119
the sidewalk instead
under the curve. Do you remember Chris?

489
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:54,240
» Yeah, it's to protect um
rotation a little better.

490
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:57,599
» Um no, no. So further away. Why are we
doing it further away for a human being?

491
00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:01,599
» Well, these ones out here you mean?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

492
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,560
» Um I think this also said they couldn't
get close enough to the building to do

493
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,680
it when where the building is. You had
to do it some distance out because the

494
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,560
machinery wouldn't couldn't come up
against a wall,

495
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:14,400
» right? So that is definitely one one
factor. Um, but I'm saying if if there's

496
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:19,040
some logic and we don't need to spend
too much time this is beyond our this is

497
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,400
your guys expertise by by all means. Um,
but if there's some logic that is more

498
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:26,160
it's more in effect it's more cost
effective with the exception of where

499
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,520
the building is because of the agency of
the building itself.

500
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:33,440
» Um to put it inside the wall.
>> Yeah.

501
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:37,680
» Um why would you do that everywhere? I
mean but if it's only because you you're

502
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,760
not removing the gang way that might be
the answer.

503
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:43,839
» Yeah I guess. Well, that's yeah, that's
definitely a part of it. Um I think so

504
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:51,359
the utilities are still a complication.
It's it's still um I think the I think

505
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:58,240
over here the different one of the
differences here is that so

506
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:03,680
yeah the the erosion was the erosion is
is worse on the wall over here. Um

507
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:07,200
because of the building that's that's uh
right here that butts up against the

508
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:12,319
wall. There's protection of the wall
over here. So it's not as critical for

509
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:15,280
the for the sheet piles to be close to
the wall.

510
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:20,319
» Um so that's one thing. So they can be
further away and there are utilities in

511
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:25,920
the sidewall. So it's not as you're not
dealing with utilities as much by having

512
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:30,560
it further away. Um over here um you
have utilities. You're going to have to

513
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:37,280
deal with them. Um but you also have
have to be under the sidewall because uh

514
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:42,400
the erosion is uh uh worse here um that
the walls experiencing and there's no

515
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:48,960
protection other than um you know other
than this this alignment. Uh and the

516
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:53,440
protection over here would would still
be needed. Um it would be a slight

517
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:57,040
option of basically matching the the
rest of the seaw wall there. It just

518
00:43:54,720 --> 00:44:00,560
wouldn't go down 32 feet. it would be a
um a formed concrete.

519
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:06,800
» So if you were to this is being
considered but it doesn't change the

520
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:10,400
timeline or or it could fit within our
original timeline and and broad budget

521
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,200
essentially.
>> Yes. Yeah. Exactly. The the the timeline

522
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:20,800
would would stay the same would remain
the same. Um and it would have to be

523
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:26,319
cost effective. It would have to be um
worth

524
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:31,920
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. and and um yeah, I
mean there you know that uh disruption

525
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:38,160
to the residents and um project
coordination really are are the main

526
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:46,960
things we're looking at. So um Hadley uh
construction were um that's who we

527
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:52,319
had originally planned to do this work.
um

528
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:56,640
their uh their costs are seem to be
quite fluid. Unfortunately, they haven't

529
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:00,240
been able to give us an exact price of
how you know what what what it'll cost

530
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:06,079
to do all this work. They would prefer
to work with a time and materials

531
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:10,800
contract and um we're not comfortable
with that uh for a start. Uh and then

532
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:16,400
the other thing is now that we have some
unit prices from this contractor um we

533
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:20,160
may be able to uh you know we've asked
them to provide a a quote for the for a

534
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:27,760
similar work some of it would still be
in Hadley's uh plants but um yeah so

535
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:32,000
» this is so so the 270
if I remember correctly

536
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:36,720
» um you're not getting a firm contract
from Hadley so you're considering having

537
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,839
Gordon and Ball do some of it and Hadley
do the rest of it but still stay within

538
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:48,400
270 if they're
>> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, the costs um

539
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:52,960
Yeah. those costs that 270 um has, you
know, has has shifted and it's moved up

540
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:57,200
basically. They're above 300,000 now.
So, um and yeah,

541
00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:00,720
» but that but you're saying that because
you but you're not additively that is

542
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,240
» additely. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And so, that's the way you're describing

543
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:11,359
them being fluid or or
>> Yes, exactly. um they um

544
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:16,400
it it's it's been quite difficult to to
get a um a set price from them. Um they

545
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,359
you know and they've explained they've
been transparent about it. They said we

546
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,160
we need to add a cushion in here. If
we're going to give you a set price, we

547
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:27,760
need enough of a cushion to be
comfortable. um and you know um they

548
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:32,319
would prefer to work with time and
materials but in that case then they

549
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:37,040
they're not comfortable with not to
exceed amount of you know um

550
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:41,040
» and are they are they the the only in
town I mean are they

551
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:44,640
» no exactly this is the so and the reason
that Hadley's were specified is because

552
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,640
they've just done this work they they
built those gangways less than two years

553
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:52,000
ago and installed all of those utilities
so they're familiar with the

554
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:56,400
configuration of the utilities the the
layout of the uh scaffolding and

555
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:00,079
everything that they needed before. Um,
as far as efficiency goes, they would be

556
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:05,280
able to be in there, do the work, and
get out of there. Um, so it made sense.

557
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:09,359
Um, they're also, you know, familiar
with the residents, um, and have worked

558
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:14,160
in these buildings, I believe, many
times.

559
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:18,800
Um, but yeah, there's there's a couple
of issues. One of them is that they're

560
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:28,880
not a union, um, shop. Um, and this the
contractor is. Um so um construction sh

561
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:35,119
construction site um sharing uh is
apparently a problem. Um I think even

562
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,480
without union issues I think there are
you know there's there's there can be

563
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:43,119
friction and it's something that the
prime contractor B um they basically

564
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:48,079
said we would prefer to control the
whole project um and if you can allow us

565
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:52,160
to do that we can give you a proposal uh
for for this work uh including the

566
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:56,880
modifications. So um
>> are you doing that?

567
00:47:53,359 --> 00:48:01,200
» Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're preparing a yeah
it's it's actually it's kind of as

568
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,480
speed. um uh the design engineers are
putting together a conceptual sketch

569
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:10,079
that we're going to send out to them to
get get past.

570
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:13,920
Is there is there any rationale to um I
mean considering that that time is of

571
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:20,000
the essence from a you know with our
water bound work um is there any work

572
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:24,240
that Hadley could be doing to before the
union contractors are on site with

573
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,280
permit since since we have control over
the the work that Hadley is doing

574
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,960
arguably
>> can they can they advance that work

575
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:37,760
could they be doing that sooner than the
project

576
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:42,800
» um yes um and and in fact the, you know,
um, Hadley are are still they're not off

577
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,800
the table. Uh, because if we get a quote
back from a contractor that's that's

578
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:52,160
higher than Hadley's, then um, we're
going to going to go back to Hadley

579
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:56,960
basically. Um, but their their portion
of the work was uh, planned for before

580
00:48:55,359 --> 00:49:01,920
this contract starts.
go in there uh before the the big

581
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:07,599
project starts, remove all the gangways,
set up the uh temporary uh utility lines

582
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:12,720
uh and then move off the site. Then the
prime contractor comes in, completes the

583
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:15,839
project, um and then Hadley returns to
restore all those.

584
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:20,880
» But it does seem like if Word and Ball
can do that work, it might be more

585
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:25,280
efficient to have them just do all
aspects of it rather than have a handoff

586
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,240
between them and Havly. is not known to
be an inexpensive right

587
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:33,280
» operator. Exactly.
>> I would guess that ball could could

588
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:36,480
undertak them and it might be a simpler
less coordination and a better approach

589
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,400
ultimately.
>> Yes. Yeah. That's that's definitely the

590
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,079
um the impression that we get
>> and I I don't personally know just

591
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:47,520
because they did this work two years ago
doesn't mean that the same person's

592
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,920
going to be there doing it. I mean I
don't know what familiarity means and

593
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:55,359
when you look at it you probably see
what they did and yeah undo. So

594
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:59,920
» yeah, at the end of the day, I think um
that's

595
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:04,480
we we this is what we're exactly
discussing. Um it's you know, it's not

596
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:09,040
ideally you're not rocket scientists,
this is not that that difficult. Um so

597
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,480
Bordon Ball should be able to manage
this, especially if they've they've

598
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:17,040
already said that they would like to.
>> Can I move on to I had a question about

599
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,240
the easements by the property owners? I
didn't see that addressed here. See

600
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:26,319
easements?
>> Yes. So, we have uh uh three temporary

601
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:30,559
construction easement contracts that
have been approved. Um not signed yet,

602
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,440
but they were approved at the last city
council meeting and they've been

603
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:42,000
approved by the the property owners as
well. Um so, that's um

604
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:46,640
that is remains to be executed, but um
yeah, everybody's on the same page with

605
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:52,559
that. Um yeah so that's there were there
were there were questions about kind of

606
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:58,079
different details of the work um and it
is uh a question my understanding is

607
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:04,079
that if there are changes to the works
such as these these changes here um that

608
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:07,920
that that won't that won't change any of
the substance of the of the agreements

609
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,400
that you know maybe the scope the
description of work but not

610
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,559
» and the council didn't approve the
agreements per se they agreed they they

611
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,200
approved the city manager's ability to
excuse the agreements.

612
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,240
» Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, yeah.
So, the important thing is that the

613
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:26,960
property owners are not resisting and
are agreeing to to them.

614
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:32,960
» Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. They're um uh
Yeah. In fact, um the land company are

615
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,559
enthusiastic about the work. Um they've
been aware of the, you know, the issues

616
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:41,760
with the seaw wall. So, yeah, they're
they're happy to to see it going ahead.

617
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:47,359
Um and then the other two lots are owned
by the same group, the Strauss group. uh

618
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:52,960
and um they had a lot of questions. I
think they were sort of wanted to learn

619
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:58,640
about um what was going on. Um so and we
had been updating the land company from

620
00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:04,400
the start of the project. Um we didn't
uh yeah it was only in in January I

621
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:09,280
think that the that there was a change
changing of plans.

622
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:14,559
Um but yeah, no so the the uh the
easements construction easements are are

623
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:18,640
in place. Um
yeah, um

624
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:24,839
we should probably try and keep moving
for one or the next 10 15 minutes or so,

625
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,839
right? Um,

626
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:37,680
let's move the schedule because I think
that's just just just what are your um

627
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:43,119
» um you know are there any you mentioned
the August I think third date. Are there

628
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:51,520
any key dates that you need to achieve
and really strive to highlight there?

629
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:55,760
Well, um yes. So, so August the 3 is the
is

630
00:52:53,119 --> 00:53:01,119
using the 65 working days uh estimated
working time that the design engineers

631
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:06,960
have provided. Um August 3rd is the is
the latest start that we can have with a

632
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:10,160
you know flexibility. You talk about
water work and nonwater work. Is that 65

633
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,119
days for the whole project or just
>> project? In theory, it's a lot less

634
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:17,680
water work.
>> Correct.

635
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:22,480
» Yes. Um, does BCDC or that moratorum
care mean like if you're working what I

636
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:26,480
mean is if you're working inland of that
um is it still prohibited or or is it

637
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,880
only just literally the work on the
water?

638
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,960
» It's it's only the work on the water. So
the the outside of the

639
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:37,839
» Have you guys with um our project
managers and or Gordon Ball have you put

640
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:42,880
together sort of a schedule um
specifically um identify scope of work

641
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:46,640
which isolates water work. So that's
that's my word, not your word as far as

642
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:52,400
water work, but that that that so that
if you had to, you know, focus on um

643
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:57,040
working outside that window else
elsewhere other than water, you could

644
00:53:53,760 --> 00:54:02,960
still get it done, right? Not yet. No.
Um yeah, we

645
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:08,559
um
I I think we just don't feel that we're

646
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:12,000
there yet. Um, and I think as we
communicate more with the Army Corp of

647
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,040
Engineers, um, we've asked them if
there's any way we can have some kind of

648
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:20,160
provisional permit or pro provisional
approval, um, for example, just some way

649
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:23,760
that we can kind of start start moving
ahead. We can give the contractor a

650
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:30,480
notice to proceed and so on. Um,
they're, uh, they're not easy to work

651
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:35,040
with. Um, but in any case, um, does
their approval also, um, is that

652
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,520
required for Hadley's work? I'm calling
it Hadley's work, but

653
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:42,319
» No. No.
>> So, arguably someone could go out there

654
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,440
today and relocate the peers and I know
we wouldn't do it for the for the fear

655
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,400
of not having the project go forward in
this window. I get that. Y but

656
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,400
theoretical.
>> Yes.

657
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:55,599
» Could they could they go out there? Is
anything stopping um either Gordon and

658
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:59,280
Ball or Hadley going out there and
removing the peers, creating a wave

659
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:03,599
pathway for people to get in and out and
working on utilities?

660
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:08,960
» No. No. I mean, you know, we'd need to,
you know, obviously give them the notice

661
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:12,160
to proceed, but um that would be that
yes, that would be possible. So, we

662
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:18,960
could certainly do some of the ground
work, you know, to to minimize the the

663
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:24,720
time needed um for for inwater work. Um
but

664
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:29,920
yeah, I think because we are we're still
planning on on having uh the contractor

665
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:36,079
provide us with a schedule uh to fit
within the 65 days. Um

666
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:41,280
um we we haven't uh started thinking
about those uh those part well I mean

667
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:44,480
we've we have them in mind but um we
haven't I guess you call them

668
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:47,680
contingency plans. we haven't sort of
moved into

669
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:51,200
» well a project like this you would have
to think that it's not really a

670
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:55,520
contingency it's sort of a requirement
I'm just just throwing it out there that

671
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:59,359
» you may want to consider having unless
it's a it's it's literally an additional

672
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:04,240
cost to do so but I don't know that it
necessarily will be but

673
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:07,119
» come up with a methodology that you know
you know packs the water work into the

674
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:10,880
middle of the project which is by
definition when you'll have your window

675
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:14,720
» right you know so that you can do the
preparation work you know as efficiently

676
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:18,880
as possible do water work all when you
have to do it and if you still have two

677
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:22,160
months worth of work afterward it's not
you know project threatening because if

678
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,040
the window closes you're you're you're
out of the water

679
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:28,160
» right the 65 working days is that is
that the number of inwater working days

680
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:31,920
or is that
>> that's that's the whole project how many

681
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:35,440
roughly how many of those days are in
water is it 10 or

682
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:39,920
» that's a good question
>> um

683
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:47,280
and I would say
you know based on the on the alignment

684
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:50,960
lengths Um it's it's maybe 60 to 70%
would be in water.

685
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:56,799
» So might be 40 or so days in water. So
that 40 days counting back from from

686
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,480
October 30th does make a potentially
later start date.

687
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,880
» Yes.
>> Right. Exactly. Yeah.

688
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,760
» Yeah.
>> But you can only do that if you have

689
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,440
figured out how you can do it
efficiently.

690
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:09,440
» You're ready.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

691
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:14,799
» Yeah. Absolutely. And so just to throw
into that um the piece of equipment that

692
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:20,400
that the city has specified is needed
for this work is is called a ge or a

693
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:28,400
geon um silent driver. Um and it's a
very expensive piece of equipment uh to

694
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:31,839
mobilize. Um so um the contra
they're going to limit it and and make

695
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:37,200
it efficient.
>> Yeah, exactly. They also may not be

696
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:39,920
available at at any moment. maybe some
schedule for other projects in the list

697
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:45,040
of each kid.
>> We we haven't heard from that from the

698
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:49,839
contractor that there's that there's any
potential for that. Um but uh we're

699
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:54,799
we're definitely aware of that.
>> And is Gordon Ball also flexible? Are

700
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:58,640
they able to start
kind of in the line with how permit

701
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,480
availability? Are they showing
flexibility

702
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:07,920
» at this point? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean
um they were ready to go as soon as

703
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:13,200
possible. Um they had said early to mid
June uh they they they

704
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:20,720
anticipated being ready. Um at this
point um we've we've asked them to sort

705
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:24,960
of push that back uh to early July. Um
and they they've been understanding you

706
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:32,559
know they they know how permitting
agencies operate. So um yeah they're

707
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:37,680
they were very the other the permits and
P gen were their two almost first

708
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:42,079
questions. So P gen has been buttoned
down at this point. Um and it's the

709
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,880
outstanding permit
the window is June is it June 1 to

710
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,280
October 30th?
>> Yes. Yeah.

711
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:55,440
I'm just curious if if there's any
focusing on the residents here a little

712
00:58:52,480 --> 00:59:01,119
bit more. I mean, I personally think a
project from June 1 to or even June 15th

713
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:05,920
to to July 15th or or August 1st,
something like that, is a much different

714
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:09,760
project than August through October.
>> People being around in our city. I mean,

715
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,520
it looks like we're and we're looking
like it's going to be an August,

716
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:16,000
October,
>> right, type project. And even if we have

717
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:20,240
to extend the nonwater work beyond
October, it's getting into November and

718
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:25,599
December, which is don't want to do it
work here both weatherwise and also

719
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:30,079
people wise. Um
I mean is there a logic risk

720
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:34,559
notwithstanding of you know at least
having a contingency plan get everything

721
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:39,359
lined up and then starting you know June
15th of next year when because because I

722
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:43,839
think there is a big community impact
doing this project in June and July and

723
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,880
early August is much better
>> with a little bit of shift there than

724
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,839
doing it in August, September, October,
November.

725
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:51,280
» Um
>> well that's something we haven't

726
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:54,480
considered.
>> No, I I'm just and I know that that

727
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,680
that's an economic issue. While it is
slightly less convenient, there may be

728
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:02,799
more people around in September and
October and there's schools around

729
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:05,440
» it uh it feels like there's so much sort
of work and momentum to be sure to be

730
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,240
sure
>> and that this the slight heightened

731
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:15,040
inconvenience is not worth not worth it
change in the schedule my in my

732
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:19,040
» plus we don't know is the contract and
the fees value valid for over a year

733
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:22,079
probably not
>> right it would be too bad if it's filled

734
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,559
in the September October but it's a
minor inconvenience on the schema very

735
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:28,240
exciting. So
>> yeah, I guess it's I'm I'm agree. I'm

736
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:32,400
just saying just in the back of your
mind like you know as this schedule

737
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:38,240
pushes and as we start you know hearing
from the um Army Corps of Engineers

738
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:42,319
later in June and as as things happen um
if we're pushing this too far into the

739
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:46,880
fall I think I think it's more unions
than than just minor but that's

740
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:50,559
» yeah that might be my perception. I
think schools are a big deal and traffic

741
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:56,559
on those roads picks up quite a bit.
Weather will impact it more. Yeah, I I

742
01:00:53,680 --> 01:01:02,559
think it's well so you know I think in
the team's sort of mind that's been a a

743
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:05,680
sort of a last resort really is just
right if this army core is is not going

744
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:11,440
to come through
>> um then we're going to have to you start

745
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:17,599
negotiating with the contractor whether
they can you know what pricing they can

746
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:24,480
retain for next year and so on. Um
but the the the question of um sort of

747
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:27,920
public convenience is uh yeah that's
something that we haven't really sort of

748
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,960
included in in the conversation and a
lot of things a big inconvenience to

749
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:35,040
begin with.
>> Um but yeah if there is a big difference

750
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:39,920
um
>> no big is is our it's our capital gain

751
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:43,160
on the the 3.6
year versus

752
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:51,520
» I don't think it will be but just it's
not a bad thing to think about as I mean

753
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:55,280
John's right as I think
>> so the army approval I mean I don't know

754
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,480
if there's other I'm sure you're you're
pressuring them but I don't know if

755
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:03,200
there other things we can do to you know
calls from the mayor calls from other

756
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,240
community members to
>> US representatives I don't I'm just

757
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:12,240
trying to think of how we can influence
that um Yeah. Uh that I mean great

758
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:16,240
question and and I I did put that to our
consultants. Um is there any anything

759
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:22,480
that we can be doing at this point? You
know what where can we apply pressure?

760
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:26,160
And yeah, he said it's I mean so his his
take was that they're kind of an an

761
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:34,400
immovable object. They're a federal
agency and they're um they they're

762
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:39,359
not trans not very transparent and you
you kind of have to uh be a squeaky

763
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:44,400
wheel. Um,
I'm sure mayor, council members, maybe

764
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:47,920
um, you know, a letter or or something
from or even the subcommittee actually

765
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:50,640
would would, um,
>> I assume you are being his squeaky

766
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:55,119
wheel. Is that right? You
>> Yeah, exactly.

767
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:59,280
» bugging them tag team with them.
>> And John making just a great point. I

768
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:04,319
mean, talk to talk to them. If if they'd
like to draft a letter that the mayor

769
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:08,799
can sign, I'll talk to Sally about that.
I'm sure we can do that. to a degree

770
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:14,400
it's just adding to the squeaky.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think that's

771
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:19,960
Yeah. I mean it kind of hurt
the federal maybe our member of Congress

772
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,960
» maybe.

773
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:28,000
» Yeah. Um yeah that's that's a very good
point. Um

774
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:31,119
» I mean it seems like we should prepare
for that but

775
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:35,760
» I mean time is getting short but that
all will take time to do. So

776
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:40,400
» yeah we can certainly do that. Um,
>> okay. Well, we should probably consider

777
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,640
any final things we want to cover here,
>> Tony. Were there other things we

778
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,319
haven't?
>> Um, yeah, two two other things that I

779
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:50,319
didn't hadn't included in the memo
really because like I say, it's sort of

780
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:54,640
as we speak sort of discussions. One of
them is is that uh there was a

781
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:59,440
suggestion from the contractor that we
move the people living there uh into a

782
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:02,480
hotel for a few nights. Um, that would
allow them to cut and cap all the

783
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:07,920
utilities, do the work. they wouldn't
have to do the bypasses and the and the

784
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:11,839
temporary services uh to keep people uh
and and they would be disruptions in any

785
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:17,680
case to those people living there um
even with the the bypasses. Um so that

786
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,599
was an interesting suggestion and
something yeah I um ran by Robert um

787
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:27,119
this morning.
>> How many households is it? How many

788
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:33,440
homes is it? Um so uh there are in 16 to
20 there are three three homes uh

789
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:37,359
» is it seven total from 16 to 30.
>> Yeah. Or three

790
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:42,160
» right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
>> Um so that's something we'll definitely

791
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,880
» and make it attractive. I mean they
could stay locally or they could go

792
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:49,200
somewhere else if they want to take a
>> go time. I mean couldn't we couldn't we

793
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:54,240
give them a I don't know a budget and
say go somewhere. Well, as a contractor,

794
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:57,839
I mean, I'm sure the contractor saying
it's on us. It's not a huge amount of

795
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,960
money, but I'm sure they're it's it's
making it easier for them, too.

796
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,599
» Exactly. Well, that's
>> You wonder should come out of their

797
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,039
contract price because it's going to
make it easier for them,

798
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:10,960
» right? Yeah. And and well, so we said,
you know, what would your uh what would

799
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:14,720
your cost if if we were able to to do
that? What would your cost for that

800
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:19,039
section of work be? Um, so they they are
going to uh look more closely at it and

801
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:22,079
hopefully get us a number. If you tell
them they can save the the motel down

802
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:27,359
the road, they're going to be like, "No,
don't do it." But log on. You're telling

803
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:32,000
me you can go, you know, put this 1,500
bucks for the Ritz Carlton in Half Moon

804
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:36,799
Bay. Bad idea. So anyway,
>> yeah. No, I mean, look at the numbers. I

805
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:40,480
mean, 270,000
kind of, you know, just a

806
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:44,480
» Oh, it's on it's on that contract versus
I thought the broader contract.

807
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:49,200
» Um, well, it would be broader contract.
>> Yes. That's a yeah, just as a sort of a

808
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:52,720
number for just that that portion of the
utilities and the gang ways kind of

809
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:56,000
thing. Um, which would actually the gang
ways would still need to be removed. But

810
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:59,359
» I mean, so it's a $20,000 number at the
end of the day if it's if it's a few

811
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,200
nights, you know, for seven households,
something like that.

812
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:05,359
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> You got to sort of

813
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,839
be, you know,, 1500 bucks a night,
you're going to have to, it's going to

814
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,799
have to be attractive like that, I would
think, for someone

815
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:16,319
» want to do it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, just another

816
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:20,720
angle that we're sort of looking at. I
guess the thing is is it's all or none

817
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:25,440
really. Um, if if one person doesn't
want to do it, then we can't Yeah. make

818
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:28,400
it uh
>> I think at least some of them make them

819
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:32,720
temporary and not temporary. I don't
know if they're all full-time residents.

820
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:35,839
I think some of the part-time residents,
I believe. So, might

821
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:41,039
» Right. Yeah. Good.
>> They're all wrenches, but we part time.

822
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:46,079
» Yeah, good good point. And and I believe
a couple of those units are empty. Um so

823
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:49,839
they're not all it's not seven full, it
might be only five. Um

824
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:54,559
» and and all and since they are they're
all rentals, I mean all rental

825
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:58,559
agreements have um utility outage
provisions. So arguably it's not that

826
01:06:56,319 --> 01:07:00,160
it's not that the landlord can't legally
do that,

827
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,000
» right?
>> Where we're where the landlord's

828
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:07,200
» Yeah.
>> agent in that in that aspect,

829
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:10,480
» right? Yeah. And I think Chris actually
mentioned this. I think I think our

830
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:15,520
general guidance or general sort of
thought with this also related to the

831
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:20,640
the the new option as far as outbound if
the gang way is not moving is like knock

832
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:24,559
your socks off but as but but obviously
our our our provision or or our guidance

833
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:28,079
is is to keep it sort of cost neutral or
cost positive you know when it becomes

834
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:31,920
cost negative that's where you really
want to question the logic because we

835
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:35,280
have a we have a guaranteed you know
type of um arrangement with someone more

836
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:39,760
than we wanted but nonetheless we have
that so let's not go from there upward

837
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:42,319
let's Let's add things and subtract
things and modify things as they are

838
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:48,720
cost benefit.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's

839
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:53,280
that's really our our primary um aim.
Yeah. Um

840
01:07:51,359 --> 01:08:00,880
» so you said two things. That was one.
>> Um yes. So that was one. Uh the other

841
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:05,119
Oh. Um
yeah, it was I guess to share a traffic

842
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:11,200
control plan that was just submitted
today. Um if if you're interested in

843
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:16,239
seeing that
um

844
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:21,359
just because this is
uh so this is provided by the by the

845
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:27,600
contractor submitted uh we would still
need to approve the official.

846
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:34,279
Okay.
>> Adrian, do you have a comment?

847
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:34,279
Uh

848
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:41,359
um I think well several things I'm sorry
I I apologize but the communication uh

849
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:48,319
throughout this meeting has been very
difficult for for me so I've been uh

850
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:53,199
I've heard a bit um uh but I I don't I
think the best thing at this point I've

851
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:57,199
missed quite a bit coming in and out um
sorry

852
01:08:54,719 --> 01:09:01,199
uh but the the last thing and the most
important thing I just wanted to clarify

853
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:04,640
uh Tony and everyone that just to to
make sure that we're all on the same

854
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:10,480
page, but the contractor never indicated
and or initiated communication on

855
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:13,199
relocating residents.
>> Okay.

856
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:21,279
» That no, that was never ever the case.
No. Um so that was brought up through

857
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:28,960
the um um the ease of eliminating their
statements of if they could cap and um

858
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:36,000
um um uh take the gas line out is the
primary issue. So, if they can cap the

859
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:40,960
gas line for x amount of days to be
determined uh that they are going to be

860
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:44,319
getting back to us once now that they
have the information that we're looking

861
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:50,400
for
that would uh potentially prompt uh um

862
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:54,000
uh you know a lot a lot less work in
that area. So there's a lot of moving

863
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:58,400
parts to that, but they certainly did
not have a plan or said, "Hey, listen,

864
01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:03,120
if we if you know, we can achieve this
if the residents are gone." You know, it

865
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:09,840
it's been a moving
uh a topic of discussion on how to

866
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:15,040
accommodate and or um uh make temporary
facilities uh usable. and um in

867
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:19,679
discussions and within just the last
couple of days uh internally was it

868
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:25,040
discussed that well maybe that's a
better option and then out of that I

869
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:28,640
discussed just this morning with the
contractor I believe this was discussed

870
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:32,159
yesterday Tony correct me if I'm wrong
when we initially started to talk about

871
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:35,600
it
>> yes yesterday afternoon

872
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:41,280
» so so yesterday we discussed this that
maybe this is a viable solution so

873
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,520
» this morning I reached out to the
contract

874
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:51,760
Great. Yeah, thanks. Thanks, uh, Adrian.
Um, I stand corrected is the suggestion

875
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:56,400
didn't come from the contractor. It was
more part of that conversation.

876
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,320
» We hear you. Thanks, Adrian.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

877
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:03,600
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay.

878
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:07,280
» Um, yeah. And that's again just just
Yeah. The gas line that he that he was

879
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:12,719
talking about, there's a question of
perhaps that could be capped. Um and the

880
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:17,679
so the water would be maintained to the
to the homes but if if they could live

881
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:23,280
without gas for a little longer. Um and
yeah so really out of that that

882
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:30,560
discussion uh the idea of the hotel uh
uh

883
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:35,760
offer was uh came from that. Um yeah so
thanks Adrian and yeah let us know if

884
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:38,960
you have anything else. Um
>> uh well yeah I mean there were several

885
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:44,880
other things but I think at the best
point I'll kind of recap um um again and

886
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:49,280
there were on some of the design changes
I mean I had some insight on it um and

887
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:56,280
some of the you know with respect to the
water work versus landside work. Uh

888
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:11,520
we've lost you Adrian. Yeah.
Okay. Um

889
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:17,679
this is just a the uh to show you the
the traffic plan that's been uh provided

890
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:24,159
by uh uh the contractor. Um so this plan
would be for weekends and overnight. Um

891
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:28,960
so basically uh two-lane traffic would
be maintained uh throughout the site. Uh

892
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:33,600
the work zone in front of the buildings
over here would be their staging area.

893
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:36,880
» Is that fenced in? Is that where it's
fenced in?

894
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:42,880
» Yes. Yeah. So that's uh certainly in
front in front of these buildings. Um so

895
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:48,320
that they'll be um
forget what they barriers filled with

896
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:56,480
water big blocks that would be would
protect that that zone. Um yeah and

897
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:59,600
that's uh along Beach Road. But but is
there like I see the works on there, but

898
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,560
that orange line above it?
>> Yeah.

899
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:06,960
» Will there be a fence there?
>> Um so there there'll definitely be a

900
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:15,040
barrier and it might actually be on
here. Um but not a fence. Exactly. Um

901
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:18,159
» three foot plastic barriers. Orange.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Those Yeah, those orange

902
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,640
plastic barriers. They get filled with
water, so they're heavy for the

903
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:24,239
vehicles.
>> Um you

904
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:28,880
I I just wonder I mean those are they're
wider than they need. they're wider and

905
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:34,480
they're short. Um, and it it's not going
to prevent access if there's

906
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:37,920
» Right. Yeah. And I think well and that's
a great point. I mean, do we do we need

907
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:41,199
something
>> I I guess I'm throwing out the question,

908
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:45,199
you know, one of the issues of job sites
is you want to prevent access. You want

909
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,239
to security and safety and liability and
everything else and you don't want it to

910
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:53,120
become a
>> I don't know tempting kids or anybody

911
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:58,080
else to climb around there.
>> Yeah. It's a a fence might be a better

912
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:00,560
fence panels might be a better option
>> or just throw it out to them, you know,

913
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:03,920
how do they want to protect the site?
How do they want to um protect their

914
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,920
equipment, you know, protect the city
from liability and ourselves from

915
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:12,000
liability,
>> right? Yeah. Especially over weekends

916
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:16,000
and um yeah, when there's not going to
be people around during the day even

917
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,239
» and so dur during the day it goes to
alternative one way.

918
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,400
» Yes.
>> From peninsula to main street.

919
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:28,719
» Right. Correct. Exactly. And we have
flaggers um to to direct traffic through

920
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:33,520
uh through there. Um but yeah, this
section over here would be

921
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:36,560
um one way in one direction and then and
then in another.

922
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:40,800
» Is that expected for 65 days basically
that

923
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:46,719
or is that of the time?
>> That's I I

924
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:51,120
would say no. Um but I couldn't tell you
sort of how long that how long it would

925
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:55,679
be. the this the main thing here would
be this would this is when that section

926
01:14:53,280 --> 01:15:00,080
of road is is excavated and you've got
that alignment in the street that that

927
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:07,360
work happening um which I think they've
called phase phase one

928
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:15,120
» um yeah so that's um generally speaking
are are flaggers deemed more effective

929
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:22,480
and more um traffic u um
positive than you know fixed signals

930
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:28,400
» great question. Um I think I think so.
Um because they're able to communicate

931
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:33,600
and um if nobody's coming, they can let
people through more quickly. Um

932
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:40,400
» I'm pretty sure that that there are AI
um signals available these days. Uh so

933
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:42,159
that would probably be ideal, but um I
don't know if they're available.

934
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:51,280
» Okay.
>> But yeah. Um yeah. Uh next one is Yeah.

935
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:55,520
So when the work zone is happening, this
is phase two. This is where when work is

936
01:15:53,679 --> 01:16:02,880
happening further down beach road
towards Main Street. Um so both lanes

937
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:07,199
would be open um between Peninsula and
Cove and when that's happening then we

938
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:10,640
have a lane closed between Cove and
Maine.

939
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:15,280
So yeah, fairly fairly straightforward
but um sometimes just visualizing it is

940
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:19,520
useful.
>> Thank you.

941
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:25,520
Okay. Um I guess the next question is
whether this group wants to convene

942
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:28,560
again and have another review or what
how how and when we would do that if we

943
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:33,199
do that.
>> Um yeah I mean we can certainly when uh

944
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:37,920
» I think when we have the numbers to see
if there are savings in this alternative

945
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:41,440
it' be good to have the next one before
then I don't really

946
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,880
» Army Corp of Engineers.
>> Yes. Yeah.

947
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:48,320
» Yeah. and and hopefully a date of
construction and and um sort of

948
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:51,120
stabilizing to
>> we'll leave it up to but it sounds like

949
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:54,560
it's got to be middle beginning to
middle of June

950
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:58,400
» maybe late June if
>> well we should know I think by the by

951
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:02,719
the second week of June whether that 20
whether whether we're going to get the

952
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:08,239
permit or not by the second
>> hopefully yeah yeah exactly um and

953
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:13,760
basically as soon as we know then and
I'm hoping these sort of alternative

954
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:18,000
designs and so on can be can be
straightened out long before then so

955
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:21,280
that everything's ready to go and the
moment we get the the the word from the

956
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:25,760
army we can
>> Are you allowed to give um written

957
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:32,320
updates to this group or does it have to
be on public meeting like this?

958
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:36,000
» It's a good question. Um I can ask Beth.
I mean I think it would be I don't see

959
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:43,280
why it can't be.
>> You probably can do uh uh

960
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:47,040
uh agenda related updates. That's all
we're talking about. This is, you know,

961
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:52,080
you know, these the these design
modifications. Yay. No, yes, no go. You

962
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:55,120
know, costbenefit, you know, decisions.
Um, as long as we post them

963
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:58,320
appropriately,
>> right? Yeah.

964
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:01,040
» So, maybe do that for for for these as
they're available, you know, modest, you

965
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,880
know, quick update based on our meeting
last time and post it. I think that

966
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:10,960
should be okay. Um, and then we're
clearly going to need to need need to,

967
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:14,159
you know, understand or
make broader decisions. should you come

968
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:19,040
and we either do or don't get this
permit from ACE and then you have your

969
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,600
by that point um clear understanding of
whether this can this can this can

970
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:24,400
proceed right
>> in this this window.

971
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,880
» Yeah. Exactly.
>> So it's like you said end of June.

972
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:32,480
» Yeah.
>> Right. Yeah. Um so it sounds like

973
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:34,719
written updates sort of as they become
available

974
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,600
» don't do a lot because they have to be
agenda based. They have to be you know I

975
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,760
believe they you can't bring in new
information. I think they have to be

976
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:41,600
based on what we've talked about,
>> right?

977
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:45,360
» And you have to follow the whatever
rules Beth gives you.

978
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:49,600
» Yeah. Yeah. All the all the rules. Yeah.
Um Yeah. Okay. So, periodic updates, I

979
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:53,440
guess, based on it's only a month. It's
only been a month away. So, true. Yeah.

980
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,560
» Yeah. So, so in a couple weeks, just
say, you know, we've we've cleared up

981
01:18:55,040 --> 01:19:00,719
these design issues. We're going to do X
or we're going to do Y.

982
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:04,239
» Um and then we're AC, you know, the core
of engineers is here and we'll talk

983
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:10,400
about it more in this next meeting. Just
real simple. Uh would you like to pencil

984
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:13,679
in a date sort of late mid to late June?
Um just so we've got something on the

985
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:18,640
calendar.
>> Can you I'm probably going to be I'll be

986
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:21,040
remote then but probably dialing.
>> Is that Can we do a remote meeting like

987
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:26,400
that or is that
>> be I think at least two of you three

988
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:30,159
here. Um
um

989
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:35,080
I think I'll meet this whole second half
of June. And I expect to be right.

990
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,120
» Well, why don't let's choose the week of
the 15th. But

991
01:19:38,719 --> 01:19:43,280
» okay,
>> but why don't you as you get more

992
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:46,640
information? I mean, if everything is
going going swim similarly and you've

993
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:49,679
got your your your your permits and we
don't need to meet again. So, let's

994
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:52,719
let's target that week and do a you in
the next two weeks. Um you should have

995
01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:58,320
more information from the core of
engineers and why don't you um you know

996
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,640
shoot a a few proposed times and see if
we have a quorum.

997
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,360
» Okay. At the end of the day, that's
going to be the issue whether we can

998
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:07,280
have a quorum to do it.
>> Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. So, the

999
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:12,560
week of June 15th, you know, we we'll
sort of um

1000
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:15,760
» or the 22. I mean, we'll do the same be
there,

1001
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:20,080
» right? Okay. That's the week of the
22nd. I'm not here. So, you're gone and

1002
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:23,080
I'm gone.
>> Yeah.

1003
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:31,920
» Okay. Yeah. Well, so then the 15th is is
>> really the 15th and we'll we'll try to

1004
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:35,440
make a forum there.
>> Great.

1005
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:40,320
» Okay.
>> Yeah, sounds good. Um and yeah, thank

1006
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:46,719
you. I mean the only other thing
actually to to add is the uh public

1007
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:51,440
outreach. Um and we were planning on on
having engaged people already given them

1008
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:56,480
uh given them details especially the
residents of the homes. Um we know that

1009
01:20:53,199 --> 01:21:01,600
there have been articles in the ark. Um
um the conclusion we've come to is that

1010
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:06,880
we if we don't actually have any details
to give them um it's not going to be it

1011
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:10,239
may be unhelpful to to say there's this
big disruptive project coming but we

1012
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,480
don't know dates and we don't know which
gang ways are going to be open and so

1013
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:20,800
on. So um soon as we've got a little bit
more um that we can kind of uh that we

1014
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:26,080
can tell them um then we're going to
we're going to move move to do that. um

1015
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:32,960
the homeowners, the residents at uh 16
to 38 Beach. Um we'd like to, you know,

1016
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:38,560
have a as sort of uh intimate is
probably the wrong word, but informal

1017
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:44,000
and uh sort of on-site um communication
as possible. Um so knocking on doors,

1018
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,760
inviting people to a meeting, um and
then uh you know, and then you know,

1019
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:52,560
being able to answer questions directly
and giving cards in case there are um

1020
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:56,320
follow-up questions and so on. Uh and
then a a bigger workshop which would be

1021
01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:00,719
in the community center downstairs and
that would be so sort of for everybody.

1022
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:04,480
Um and that would be with you know
design engineers there to answer

1023
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:08,639
questions and present plans. We'd be
able to show traffic plans and and have

1024
01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:13,199
more of a show and tell uh at that
point. Um and so those would be the two

1025
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:19,760
main public outreach activities and then
uh a web page on the city website uh

1026
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:26,639
with with updates um and yeah have that
available. the web page definitely um

1027
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:30,400
open up a can of worms if you have a
public meeting like that but

1028
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:35,920
» right
>> I mean I think there's two issues I mean

1029
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:39,280
one public meaning the broad public I
think that's great

1030
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:42,800
» I I I get some feedback from the
property owners in relation to the the

1031
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:46,639
tenants themselves
>> you know if the property owners are okay

1032
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:49,760
with it and their their tenants are okay
with it you know I wouldn't go overboard

1033
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,920
with
Okay.

1034
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:54,800
» And just I mean if if we need to Yes.
Let's go over work with that. I'm saying

1035
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,560
if if the if the property owners and the
tenants are okay with what you're doing

1036
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,679
and
>> and so forth and you got the proper

1037
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:03,440
ement sign.
>> We got to get the ements signed. Yeah.

1038
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:08,239
Yeah. At first because we don't want to
start raising questions and give someone

1039
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:14,560
letter. Oh, yeah. We need to get those
signed before we do. I mean,

1040
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:19,120
» yes. you just
to the degree the public knows about

1041
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:22,000
this is if they've been paying attention
and the arc hasn't talked about it too

1042
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:27,360
much and we haven't really had all
things um

1043
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:32,199
we have to do some sort of public u
meaning I understand uh

1044
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:39,280
just there could be definitely a a
registered these works by something

1045
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:43,280
which I can't even think of but you know
>> I guess but that's the nature of our

1046
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:46,080
business Right. Yeah. No, I mean it's a
very good point and this is this is

1047
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:49,760
something Robert's definitely more sort
of um sort of

1048
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:53,920
» that in mind you're probably better off
doing it sooner than later. I mean I I

1049
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:58,239
know you want information to be final
and to be as accurate as possible but um

1050
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,639
» but if we're on the verge of getting the
easements signed, let's get those signed

1051
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,960
first.
>> Okay.

1052
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,920
» Because we don't want them to say,
"Well, before we do that, let me check

1053
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:10,639
with my tenants and see what complaints
they have and what demands they might

1054
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:13,360
have." And then yeah, we should push to
get those done.

1055
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:18,400
» Yeah, let's get those signed once we
know whether we can start this year and

1056
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:22,880
if it's start of August or late August,
then we can have the public forum.

1057
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:27,520
» I think I think our biggest opposition
is going to come from the peninsula

1058
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:29,840
people or road people which mean justify
just

1059
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:35,280
» right
>> disruption. Yeah, for sure.

1060
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:40,560
» Yeah. We say we're putting a seaw wall
so your house doesn't flood. Hopefully

1061
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:45,679
so that road doesn't fall in the house
is not washed away.

1062
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:53,760
» Okay. Um Okay. Anything else?
>> N that's it. We'll turn till next time.

1063
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:59,800
» Thank you. Yeah. Thanks very much
and the meeting.

1064
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,800
» Thank you guys.

1065
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:04,880
influences
governor's house with the