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Okay. Good evening. Let's uh I will call
to order this uh Bavadier City Bader

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city council meeting for Monday, June
the 8th, 2026. Um can I get a roll call,

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please? Beth.
>> Council member Cooper here.

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» Council member Burke here.
>> Mayor Wilkinson present.

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» Council member Mark here. Council member
Carropia here.

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» Okay, we will be moving to close
session. Before we move, can I ask

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whether there's any public comment on
the close session agenda item?

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» There are no public present.
>> Okay, perfect. In that case, we will

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adjourn. Thanks.

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Okay, I will uh reopen our um public
session. There is nothing to report out

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from our close session today. Um Beth, I
don't need to take a roll call again.

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No. Okay, perfect. So, we are going to
move on to item number three, which is

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reports and presentations 3A, city
council reports. Does any city council

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member have any updates?
Um I attended the um remotely attended

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the uh May RBR meeting and uh want to
report that uh the RBR um received grant

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approval from the EPA
um for funds to um proceed with

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additional um eel grass plantings.
That's it. Anybody else? Jane.

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» Yes. Um, as the mayor's proxy, I
attended the last um, MCCMC

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city selection committee made up of
mayors, marine county mayors, and city

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council people. And I wanted to proudly
announce that um, the group elected

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council member Cara Pietette as the
alternate representative to Abag, which

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is the Bay Area Housing Group. Um, and
as our legislative representative, I

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will be attending the annual Abag
meeting on June 18th. And as um, Council

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Member Caret is the alternate, she will
be attending with me. We'll both find

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out what's going on there.
Um, I did also want to remind residents

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that while we haven't seen many coyotes
for the past few months, this is the

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time of year that if there were any
parents um with pups that they would

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begin the pups would begin to be
investigating their surroundings around

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this time for the next couple of months.
So, please pay attention to your pets.

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Our website offers many articles and
suggestions and I recommend reviewing it

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and to contact Marinhumane if we have if
you have any concerns or want to report

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an incident.
Um lastly, I attended the meet and greet

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for the Malard Point coordinator
um Eric Sebrook. Um I was very pleased

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that the get together happened. We had a
great turnout. uh wonderful community

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comments.
But um one thing that surprised uh all

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of us, including me, was that um the
their company was not going to begin any

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oversight until the demolition phase uh
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So, um, I'm assuming that we all misread
the April breeze when it said that they

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would be organizing project submitts,
tracking conditions, ensuring

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compliance, and serving as a liaison
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contractors, and engineers.
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it than what was intended. Um
but I also found um the proposal that

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was submitted by Philip Cbrook
Associates and um it did mention ensure

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conditions of approval are adhered to.
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they were going to be involved with the
conditions of approval. Um, and I just

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wonder if we perhaps should review the
scope of work so that it can be

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clarified to everyone what the actual
expectations should be um on this

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position. I think we all thought it
would be more than that. So that was a

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surprise. Thank you.
>> Anybody else?

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» I do. Uh I attended the uh monthly um
sea level rise meeting um also known as

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Baywave. Two things to report uh they
just hired chief climate officer Dr.

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Nadia Satarim uh who started about two
weeks ago. Um so that was an exciting

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development there. And uh we also
discussed um how the different

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municipalities in our county will be uh
preparing for um SB272 which is a

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requirement by state law that we submit
an adaptation plan for sea level rise by

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January 1st of 2034. Um there is a grant
writing process that's underway right

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now. Some of the municipalities are
deciding to do it independently, meaning

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they'll apply on their own, whereas
others are considering to do it doing it

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in collaboration with other
municipalities, so multi-jurisdictional.

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Um, and we will be in the process of
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Belvadier, and we'll report back.

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» No. Okay. I don't have anything to
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to public comment.
Anybody in the room? I don't see

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anybody. Is there anybody online?
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hands raised. Okay, great. Thanks, Beth.
Okay, so we'll move on to 3B, which is

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our city. Oh, I'm so sorry. Come up.
>> What you just said?

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» Yes.
>> I just wanted to say that.

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» Do you mind if you don't mind? Can you
just announce name and Jill Barnett, 50

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Peninsula Road? I just wanted to agree
with uh Jane that uh about Eric Seabol

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and that I think you should review uh
where his the their contract starts

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because he is the project manager and
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the project. So I agree with uh
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» Thank you.
>> Okay. Unless there's anything else,

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we'll move to 3B, our city manager
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» Yes. Thank you, Mayor Wilkinson. I'll go
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the police department staffing matter.
As you know, the city council has

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established a subcommittee of the city
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strategies to address staffing matters
within the police department. This topic

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was discussed during February's council
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report that the decision has been made
to refill the vacant sergeant position.

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This position was left open following
officer Sabida's retirement last year.

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This week, Chief Will will be restarting
the internal interview and hiring

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process that began earlier this year.
Uh, more significantly, the proposed

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budget before you this evening also
includes three years of funding to

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temporar temporarily restore the
previously deferred seventh officer

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position. Recruitment as expected to
begin immediately following tonight's

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adoption of the budget. This additional
position will help will help bring back

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staffing resiliency within the
department and give Jason's team the

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opportunity to focus on more proactive
and diverse police work like parking and

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even some code enforcement matters that
we're looking into. Uh looking towards

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the future, the budget also includes
$30,000 for the development of a mid and

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long-term strategic plan for the
department. The subcommittee is drafting

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an RFP and has identified several
qualified firms to assist with this

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effort.
The selected consultant will evaluate

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the department's staffing and
operational model, review succession

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plans for when key staff retires, and
assess alternative service delivery

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options appropriate for a small agency
such as Belvadier. Staff anticipates

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that this analysis will take
approximately four to six months

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following consultant selection.
Onto other topics, uh rodents,

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specifically rat activity, has been on
the rise in Marin. I have personally

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heard from several residents who've
experienced costly vehicle damage and

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other property dam damage this year from
rats. Staff is developing a pilot

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mitigation program that we that we
expect will run approximately 3 to six

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months uh in lie of toxic poisons. The
pilot will focus on deploying

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contraceptive bait stations uh that can
also track usage around the city. Other

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cities in and around the Bay Area are
using this similar method with success.

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Uh the initial look will help us
understand the extent and concentration

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of that rodent activity. Uh evaluate the
bait's effectiveness and inform any

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longer term strategy. We plan to return
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findings and recommendations following
completion of the pilot. Staff has also

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coordinated with Marine Humane and
Wildcare to develop a frequently asked

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questions FAQ document for the residents
and anformational page will be available

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where folks can find details about the
pilot and the best practices for rodent

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med mitigation as well as the FAQ.
More to come. And then finally,

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beginning with the July city council
meeting, the agenda will include a new

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standing item titled council member
request for future agenda items. This

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item will provide council members with a
formal opportunity to request future

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agenda topics. They're outside of the
annual goal setting process. Requested

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items may be scheduled for future
council consideration or referred to

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staff for preliminary review subject to
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members present. And that's all I have
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» Thank you, Robert. Do council members
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Jane, go ahead.
When do we get to start requesting?

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» Uh, I think the earliest we put this on
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August. Yeah.
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» Okay. Let's open this for public
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that wishes to make public comment?
Seeing none, I will open that to online

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comment.
>> Mary Wilkinson, there are no hands

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raised.
>> Okay, great. In that case, we will close

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item 3B and move on to 3C, which is an
update on the Marin Sonoma Mosquito and

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Vector Board presented by Peter Bonrude.
I hope I pronounced that correctly,

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who's a district manager and our
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who's here to present as well. So,
welcome to both of you.

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» Hi, Richard Snyder Ten Commander Walk.
I've been a member of the board since

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you appointed me back in 2018. And of
those several years, I've served four

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years on the executive committee and I
was president for the year of 2023

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and currently serve on the nominating
committee trying to shape the future.

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I'd like to introduce Peter Bonura who
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presentation for you.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your

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service.
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» Thank you, Richard. Um, yes, my name is
Peter Bon. I am the district manager at

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Marinoma Mosquito and Vector Control and
we're going to go through a little bit

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of what we do at our district and try to
focus a little bit on uh the city of

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Belvadier as well.
So, just a quick overview. Oh, is it?

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Oh, there we go. Um we are an
independent special district. So,

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similar to like a fire district or a
water district, we have our own tax

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base. We have our own governing body. Um
and basically our role is protecting

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public health uh from mosquitoes and
other vectorbor diseases in both Marin

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and Sonoma County. Uh we have a board
that's governed by 24 different members.

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Some of those from incorporated cities
and as as well as from Shasta County,

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I'm sorry, from Marin and Sonoma County
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Our tax base is um within the property
assessments and our authority is under

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the California Health and Safety Code.
We cover two different counties, 2200

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square miles. We are the largest largest
district in California. um just under a

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million residents and over 25 species of
mosquitoes are monitored.

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Interesting history for Marinoma
mosquito and vector control. We are one

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of the the earliest mosquito and vector
control districts in California. Uh the

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San Rafale Improvement Club, which was a
women's club uh in San Rafale, raised

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money early in the 1900s to try to
reduce nuisance-causing mosquitoes in

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the area. it was uh impossible to live
during certain parts of the time of the

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year from largely u salt marsh
mosquitoes. Uh so the Sanfell Women's

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Club came together and they raised a
bunch of money and they were actually

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able to hire an animologist from UC
Berkeley that then trained the first

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mosquito inspectors in California uh to
try to reduce those mosquito

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populations. Then not too far after
that, California passed legislation that

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allowed the creation of mosquito and
vector control districts and ours was

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one of the first. Uh so the marin
mosquito abatement district was created

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not too long after the vector control
law was passed in 1915 and we've been

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around ever since. So we've added new
districts, we've consolidated um but

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ultimately we've included now both
Marin, all of Marin and all of Sonoma

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County within our boundaries as you can
see. So from 1976 to 2004 and then we

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continued to annex um some of the outer
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western Marin County. Uh today we are a
modern uh organization that covers as

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mentioned 2200 square miles. We follow
what's called integrative vector

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management which is a form of integrated
pest management which basically is

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looking at the toolbox and finding the
right tool for each job that you have.

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Um no specific position or no specific
outcome is expected. We use our

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surveillance to guide our control
interventions and ultimately whichever

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um control intervention we need to use
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Okay, here are some of the programs that
we offer. Uh, everything is driven by

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our surveillance and monitoring. So,
we're running close to 100 mosquito

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traps across the the 2count district
every week. Um, we also add additional

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traps as part of that, but our regular
trapping is 100 plus. Um, in addition to

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that, we're also doing our rodent uh
rodent issues. Uh, so we're out there

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looking for uh homes and helping out
with exclusion. Um, we're also working

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on tick surveillance. So both in Marin
and Soma County, we're out looking in

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the areas where ticks are the most
prevalent. We're collecting those ticks

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and then we're testing them for disease,
mostly bellia burgdorfry, which is lyme

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disease. Um and then some other bellas,
which are akin to belly burgdorfry,

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which can cause relapsing fever. In
addition to our surveillance and

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monitoring, obviously we have the
control element. Most of our focus for

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mosquito control is on the immature
stages of mosquitoes. So while they're

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in their water, um we find that we have
a lot more options when we're dealing

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with mosquitoes in the water versus
while they're on the wing. And we have

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um it's a lot easier to find, right? We
can find these different mosquito

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sources. We can treat them before they
ever become adults. Um our goal as a

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public health agency is disease
prevention. So we're always focused on

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those mosquitoes that can cause disease
and we're focused on trying to reduce

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the transmission of those diseases to
people. The main diseases that we're

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concerned about here in both Marin and
Sonoma County right now is Westnau virus

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is still the main main player in our
area. Um however, we are keeping an eye

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out and testing for western ecoin and
sephilitis as well as St. Louis and

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sephilitis which have been in California
but at different times of the um over

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the last 50 60 years. Service requests
do drive our operations to some degree.

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Um last year we had over 12,000 service
requests. Uh this year hopefully we'll

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have a few a few less um because it was
quite a few. Most of those were on

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yellow jackets. U public education as
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that goes into the schools, teaches kids
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curriculums that are approved by
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group is. So, we try to target not only
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out there, but also what the teachers
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our PIO who will do a variety of

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different events. If there's events in
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us attending, let us know. We're always
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then obviously all of our different
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media.
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said, we completed over 10,000 service
requests. We tested over 17,000

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different mosquitoes. Uh we inspected
40,000 different locations for potential

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mosquito breeding and of those treated
around 16,000. And we did have one

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Westnau virus positive incident last
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Districtwide trends overall our mosquito
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positive thing. Even though we did see
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overall in comparison to previous years,
last year was a lower year. Uh we're

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sort of seeing similar uh at this point
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we're hoping that continues. Um and
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things that will drive our operations. I
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the different mosquito species. Like I
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are the ones that we're looking at
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are disease causitive or very nuisance.
um positive mosquitoes.

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Let's look a little bit at Sylvia
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are locations that um we have done
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on both Tibberon and Belvadier property
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that we inspect regularly for uh for
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average, we're inspecting 3 to 4,000
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year dependent. Um, in addition to our
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over 24 rodent inspections on the island
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This is kind of what the work looks
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morning. Uh, they're identifying those
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identified as potential mosquito
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those habitats to see if they're
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finding the best control strategy and
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strategy for each one of those
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everything from source reduction to
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biological control. Uh we have a variety
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habitat dependent and species dependent.
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we're dealing with wetland habitats,

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we're dealing with urban habitats. We do
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types of mosquito breeding habitats
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counties. Um on the right hand corner
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Fury, actually created a whole new trap
using our 3D printing, which is really

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exciting. That's actually out catching
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mosquito surveillance. So, we're pretty
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new trap that's doing better than the
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costing us a lot less money and we can
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to see what's going on from a mosquito
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of our technicians, our rodent
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for a property owner.
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on is this emerging threat for 80s
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80s. Uh, basically these mosquitoes
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more than just 80s egypti but 80s egypti
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Uh there's also 80s noiscriptis and 80s
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area all the way up to shasta county and
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egypti and either mariner or Sonoma
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surrounded. So they're now been found in
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Cruz, um Yolo, still not in Napa, still
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not in Sonteo. So we got a little bit of
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keeping an eye out for those mosquitoes.
Uh why do we care? It's just another

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mosquito. Well, we care because these
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up until the last three years were not
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chicken, zika virus. Um and
unfortunately now we have had locally

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transmitted denge in southern California
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established and the concern is that
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those diseases could also be
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are different than westnile in the sense
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diseases. So in West Nile's case it's a
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bird mosquito disease. For deni chicken
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come back, get bit by that mosquito, and
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that's why it's a concern. Um we have
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mosquitoes, and we are looking for them
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them, we have a good response plan put
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Um just a quick little financial
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covered by largely property taxes as
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assessments. Um that accounts for just
under $13 million for our revenue uh

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basically each year. Um and with that we
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members as well as a fully funded
capital program and uh we are currently

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looking to do some facility
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projects in the next two years uh is
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new admin building as well as the
expansion of a new shop and vehicle

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storage. Um which is exciting. We
haven't done any expansion since the

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late 90s. Uh and we're we're busting at
the seams a little bit. So, we're

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excited to have some some expansion
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uh boundaries.
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uh beyond. So, technology modernization
is our goal. Uh we just rolled out uh a

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new grant that we were able to take
advantage of through the state that we

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were able to completely reorganize all
of our digital infrastructure. We're

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going to take that and continue to build
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improvement that we're looking at. Um
additionally, climate resilience is on

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our minds. Um, when you're talking about
climate, vectors tend to be the canary

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in the coal mine. Meaning, we know that
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or the mosquitoes that are carrying them
often are coming ahead of some of the

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other larger climate changeoriented um
indicators that are out there. Uh, we

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know that the expansion of these
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due to climate change. And so we're
always trying to identify where the next

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emerging disease or emerging mosquito
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change in in an overall climate. Um
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surveillance. So finding new traps, new
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remote modeling, looking into things
like identifying our old data set and

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utilizing it to inform future decisions.
So big data questions. Um, uh, we just

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hired a new data system specialist
that's going to be working through a lot

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of that old historical data on the
mosquito side of things. We're very good

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at collecting it. We're not as good at
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that's the next goal. Um, and then the
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exactly what we're doing here today,
getting people to know that we exist and

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we can help you with your rodent issues
if you have questions is we have a rat a

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rodent specialist and we do this all
over Marin and Sonoma County. Um, so

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we're always happy to partner partner
with cities, counties, anybody that's

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interested in making things better for
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standpoint.
With that, I'll open it up to any

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questions if there's time.

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» Peter, thank you for that very
interesting presentation and all the

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work that you do, which is which is
super important. Um, I do have

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questions, but I'll open up to other
council members first.

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» So, yes, thank you for your
presentation. It's very informative and

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I have to say I personally have used
your service. Um, but the question I did

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have that um is sort of relevant
or soon to become relevant to the city

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is um addressing our uh uh rodent
problem. And I'm not sure what your

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program is about and and and the steps
all that are going to take place. um but

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you are available that the city can
reach out to you and see if there's

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something that you can help us with. Um
whether it's a service or just advice on

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um um addressing that problem. Is that
um possibility?

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» Yeah, we can do exactly what has already
been discussed and and lend hopefully an

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additional voice to that information. So
our rodentborn disease program is

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focused on exclusion largely. So our
rodent specialists will get called

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through a service request. will go out
to the property and then we'll provide

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an exclusion report. So they'll do a
full inspection of the property,

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identify areas that are either um entry
points or potential harbridge areas or

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food sources and they basically will
give a laundry list to the property

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owner of things they can do to improve
their um the rodents that either are on

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the property or potentially even in the
home itself. Uh they can then take that

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report and they can either hire a pest
control company to do the work for them

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or they can do some of that exclusion
work themselves. So we don't actually do

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any of the rodent control. We just
provide consultation on the road. So, it

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sounds perfect for what you guys are
working on. We can work with you on your

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FAQs. We already have a whole lot of
that on our website. Um, and it's going

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to be just as relevant for Belvier as it
is for any other part of Marin County.

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» And that service is free.
>> That service is already paid for through

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your property taxes.
>> Thank you.

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» Yeah.
>> Any other questions?

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» No. Just one I guess it you mentioned
ticks and we have a little party favor

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here. Did you?
>> That's right. I I am not super liked at

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parties because I bring some of the
strangest party favors. But um yes, what

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you have is a ticky. Uh so what that is
is a tick remover. Um great to throw in

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your your vehicle or your purse or your
bag or whatever you use to go hiking. Um

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and it's to remove ticks. It's a nice
easy way to uh cleanly remove the tick.

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Um that's the main thing. If you find a
tick, getting as much of that tick off

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as you can, getting as much of the
hypostome out or the head parts out as

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you can is going to prevent any kind of
secondary infection from like bacterial

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infection or something. So, uh, really
key to have with you. It was

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» Thank you. Well,
>> and then it was married with hopefully a

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tick card that will let you know the in
our area and the concerns, uh, of

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certain species in our area. Well, I I
just wanted to check so that I could

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thank you for this nice gift and also
thank you for the presentation.

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» Well, and to the public, I'll let them
know that those are available to them as

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well. So, if you need anything for tick
surveillance or for tick removal, just

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give us a call. We're happy to make
those available.

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» I would very much like to thank you for
this key because my husband has removed

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two ticks out of his leg in the past
week associated with mountain biking and

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it's never quite sure whether he's got
them out completely. So, so thank you

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for that. One of my questions was um in
relation to ticks, what's the data

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showing in terms of the prevalence of of
lime? So, whatever the the the latin is

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for that, but what what what are you
seeing in terms of the data?

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» Sure. So, in general, our Lyme disease
numbers are lower than Midwest and East

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Coast. Uh but Marin County does have
some of the highest rates of Lyme

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disease within our ticks in terms of
California counties. So, if we're

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looking in California, Marin does have a
higher uh risk than other counties, but

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it's still very low. Four to 5% is the
infection rate that we typically see in

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most of our ticks that we collect. Um,
you know, we can see microhabitats where

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we'll have higher infection rates. Uh,
but in general, those numbers are fairly

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low. Um, and there's a couple different
reasons. One is our temperature. One is

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that we have a slightly different
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Pacificus here on the Midwest and East
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slightly different. Um, and then also we
have uh a really interesting um

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biological environment here where if the
tick feeds on a lizard that is endemic

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here to California, it will actually
kill the the burrellia. It'll it's a

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bellioidal effect. It'll kill the Lyme
disease bacteria in the tick. Um, and

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that'll also reduce our overall
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not bad if you compare it to Midwest and
East Coast, but definitely something in

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Marin County you want to be aware of. Do
your tick checks. Make sure you're

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wearing um you know some sort of insect
repellent uh when you're out and about.

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Make sure you're wearing light colored
clothing if you're going to be in areas

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where you know ticks are going to be. Uh
and ultimately making sure that you

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remove those ticks as quickly as
possible. If you're worried, you can

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always hold on to it. Um we can always
ID it. We won't test ticks for people,

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but both public health labs, I believe,
will test for ticks. Uh we only test the

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ticks we collect. Uh it's the same as
the state. If you go to CDPH, they won't

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test ticks that are collected off of
people. And that's because we don't want

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to give people a false sense of either
security or um you know the other end

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that it did test positive that doesn't
mean you have Lyme disease and vice

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versa. So we really work on the medical
side of things informing uh doctors as

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to what our risks are for Lyme disease,
knowing uh the signs of Lyme disease and

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then hopefully treating the Lyme disease
quickly and effectively for those people

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that have gotten bitten.
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city will be reaching out in relation to
our um our rap question. So, thank you

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for that offer. Um, unless there's other
questions, I will open this up for

409
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:41,840
public comment.
>> I just have one comment I wanted to

410
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:48,159
make. I wanted to thank Richard Snider
for his service on the um mosquito

411
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:51,360
vector board and representing the city.
So, well, that's all.

412
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,559
» You're very welcome.
>> My pleasure.

413
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,760
» Uh, okay. Let's Is there anybody in the
room that would like to make public

414
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:02,559
comment?
Seeing none, I will open this to

415
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,960
» I see none. Seeing none. Okay. In that
case, we will um close item 3C. And

416
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:11,200
again, thank you to Peter and Richard
for everything that you both do.

417
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:16,080
» Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
>> Okay. We'll be moving on to item 3D,

418
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:20,880
which is interviews um for applicants
for appointment to the to the planning

419
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,799
commission and the Belvadier Tibron
Library Agency board. Is there a staff

420
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,080
report before we go to interviews?
>> I'm happy to give you a summary of the

421
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,799
staff report or you can jump right into
it, whichever you prefer. Do you want to

422
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:34,320
give a quick summary of the of the
positions that we're interviewing for?

423
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:38,320
» Yeah. So, we have two vacancies
currently on the planning commission.

424
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:43,760
Uh, one four-year term currently held by
Commissioner Oslay J, who is seeking

425
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:48,480
reappoint, and one partial term created
by Commissioner Butros's reg

426
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:54,080
resignation. We received one application
from Jason Jacob Laneski, who is present

427
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:58,240
this evening for an interview. We also
have an opening on the Belvadier

428
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:03,760
Tibbrron Library Agency board. Incumbent
Tony Hooker is seeking reappoint and one

429
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:08,559
additional applicant Andrea Barish has
been has applied uh and is here this

430
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:12,320
evening to interview as well. And then
finally, two finance committee uh

431
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:17,840
members terms are expiring. Both
incumbents Bob McKascal and Patrick

432
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:23,279
Feder have requested reappoints. Um no
additional applications were received

433
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:27,200
for those open positions. Um that's all.
>> Thank you very much. Um, in that case,

434
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:32,720
can I ask Jacob, who I see over there,
come and introduce himself um to the

435
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:37,279
city council.
>> Uh, good afternoon, Madame Mayor,

436
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:41,760
members of the city council. My name is
Jacob Lanitki. Uh, I'm applying for the

437
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:46,399
vacant uh seat on the planning
commission. I do have to reflect that

438
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:50,320
going after the mosquito presentation,
which was actually quite interesting, is

439
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:55,039
not an easy task. Uh however, I'll try
not to bite and hopefully uh the buzzing

440
00:32:52,480 --> 00:33:01,440
in your ear will be very very minimal.
Um just uh by uh by just sheer back

441
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:06,159
introduction, you know, I moved to uh
Belvadier um last February. It's a

442
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:10,960
fascinating town. It's a beautiful town.
There's a sense of history. There's a

443
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:15,519
sense of aesthetics. Um there's a kind
of a charm and appeal that's almost

444
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,240
indescribable and makes it unique. And
uh one of the reasons I want to be on

445
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,000
the planning commission is because it
dovetales with my interest in preserving

446
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,919
this town and making sure it can
continue and grow in an intelligent way.

447
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:30,799
Um but also dovetales with my
professional background. Uh just on a

448
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:34,640
day job I oversee the real estate
transactions for a large technology

449
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:37,840
company in Silicon Valley. Um always
have been professionally in real estate

450
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,360
all my life. My first job was as a real
estate attorney, then went to business

451
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,519
school and then um served in various
other real estate functions since then.

452
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:50,000
I'd like not to make this long, but
rather open up to Q&A. As I said, very,

453
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:53,760
very interested in this town, very
interested in the history. Um, but also

454
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:58,240
just making sure that the people here
can continue to thrive and whoever moves

455
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:01,039
in can also just live up to their full
potential and how they see their

456
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,440
residences.
Open up the questions.

457
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:06,760
» Jacob, thanks so much. Who would like to
start with questions?

458
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:15,760
» Kevin.
>> Oh, I don't have many questions. we we

459
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:19,839
had the opportunity to um spend some
time on the phone and uh I was very

460
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:23,520
impressed with your background. I think
uh I can definitely see how you could

461
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,720
leverage some of those or many of those
experiences for the work that you're

462
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,879
doing, I guess. I mean, given that you
are working at such a a large

463
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:35,919
high-profile technology company in
Silicon Valley, how do you imagine sort

464
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:41,440
of balancing the demands of that with
the demands of the planning commission?

465
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:46,399
uh especially, you know, given um I
think your travel schedule, which seems

466
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:48,639
like it's uh pretty uh interesting to
say the least.

467
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,800
» Yeah, I'll just get Claude to do my
other job.

468
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:57,119
» Um I think the the answer to your
question is I can devote the time to

469
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,839
this as long as I know how to schedule
it, right? And the beauty of this

470
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,880
position is that you know when the
meetings are, you know what has to take

471
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,480
take place before the meeting, the kind
of the due diligence that has to happen.

472
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:10,320
So that becomes much more schedulable.
It's the issue of where you know I have

473
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:14,240
to have a meeting in three hours that
becomes much more problematic. So to the

474
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,240
extent that there's visibility and the
time commitment it becomes a much more

475
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:23,040
manageable task.
>> Thank you.

476
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,480
» Hi Jacob. Uh like like Kevin we spent
some time on the phone so I'll be brief.

477
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,680
Uh
something that I think has evolved in

478
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:35,119
the planning commissioner's
responsibilities is some of the longer

479
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:41,280
term planning perspectives and policy
related to housing elements and general

480
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:44,800
plans. And uh
I think I think someone can really step

481
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:47,680
into that the longer they've been
involved with the city and going

482
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,599
forward. I just wanted to gauge your
your interest and your openness to being

483
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,800
involved in that long-term planning
aspect for our city both from a

484
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:59,920
municipal code perspective and as I
mentioned um housing policy and general

485
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:04,800
plans as well. Um you know I worked uh
in Berkeley, California for five years

486
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:08,640
as a practicing real estate attorney um
helping them with their housing element

487
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,200
helping working with their zoning board
with their planning commission as well.

488
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,880
I it's been an interest of mine. The
question I think you're asking is how do

489
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,560
we balance this intelligently? Like the
city is not a straight jacket. It's the

490
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:24,240
question of how do we accommodate the
growth of the city but do it in a way

491
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,839
that still preserves that which makes it
special. And it's not an easy answer,

492
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,400
right? It's a question of you have to
delve into the code. You have to delve

493
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:33,839
into the legal requirements, but
moreover, you also have to delve into

494
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:39,400
what can be built in a way that doesn't
infringe and impinge upon the lifestyle

495
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:39,400
of the existing residents.

496
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:47,040
» Pat, do you have any questions? two. Hi,
thank you. We've not had a chance to

497
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:52,560
chat, so this will be our first chat.
Um, so, uh, one question I always have

498
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:56,400
and I believe I know the answer because
I've seen you, but have you had an

499
00:36:54,240 --> 00:37:00,880
opportunity to attend any planning
commission, um, meetings?

500
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:05,200
» I have. I've attended the last two
meetings.

501
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:10,640
» And what have you learned from that?
Um,

502
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:14,000
what I've learned from it is that there
is a question of how do you balance some

503
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,599
of the growth. There's a question of
also how do you balance some of the

504
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,240
improvements that people want to make to
their homes, legitimately want to make

505
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:29,040
to their homes with the concerns of the
neighbors, with the aesthetic concerns

506
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:33,440
that various members have expressed. Uh
what I've learned it's that it's an

507
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:37,040
interesting job but and it's one that I
think to the extent that there is a

508
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,640
legal perspective the commission could
benefit as well. The kind of the

509
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,320
structured thinking that a that a law
school teaches you or being a lawyer

510
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:50,960
teaches you I think could enrich the
discussion.

511
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:56,079
» Okay. And um thank you for that. And um
this is a little bit kind of connecting

512
00:37:53,280 --> 00:38:04,800
a question that Kevin had and that Peter
had. And um I I think for for me it's

513
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:11,520
talking about you know your your work
life balance schedule. And um and for me

514
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:16,240
it's it's
um

515
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:22,400
not only you know your your expertise
and and and and what you bring to the

516
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:27,520
commission um as far as working on
municipal code and housing element and

517
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:33,599
general plan, but also um you know
there's subcommittees, task force,

518
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:38,480
things like that that come up and they
are not three-hour notice meetings. Is

519
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:42,480
there more, you know, in advance? Are
you available to help? And so the

520
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:50,320
question is is is would you be able to
carve out more time if um you were to uh

521
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:58,560
serve on one of those committees or task
force um to um develop new new codes,

522
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:02,240
new approaches, new new the new housing
um element and and the revision of our

523
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,880
general plan that's going to be coming
up. Uh the answer is yes because it's

524
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,200
can be schedulable. It is can be
scheduled ahead of time. The answer is

525
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,240
absolutely yes.
>> Yeah. Okay. I have something but it's a

526
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:21,760
comment so I can't I it's question time.
Um let's see. Um here's a question. Um

527
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:30,160
would you feel comfortable
um offering constructive feedback or

528
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:37,680
suggestion on improvements to a plan? Um
especially if it's the applicant is is

529
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:42,640
someone that you know, a friend
um not necessarily a neighbor within 500

530
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:49,200
ft, but maybe a neighbor, you know, 600
feet away and you're allowed to

531
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:54,400
participate in that um project. would
would you be able to give, you know,

532
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:59,119
constructive criticism, your your honest
opinion and and and not feel you needed

533
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:04,400
to hold back because you might hurt
their feelings or

534
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,960
» um so as part of my job, I negotiate for
a living.

535
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:11,280
» And when you negotiate with the other
side, there is a part of it that is

536
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,000
about the feedback. Now, you could do it
in a very unconstructive fashion. You

537
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,880
could call them names. You could say
they're stupid. You could do a lot of

538
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:20,079
things and you've insulted them. you've
affected their ego and you've gotten

539
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,680
nowhere in whatever view you're trying
to convey. And then there's a way of

540
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:29,200
doing it in a way that is actually kind
of not just constructive but in a way

541
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:32,720
that takes their views and unites yours.
And moreover, what you find is these

542
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,880
conversations are not debates, they're
discussions. The goal is to actually

543
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:42,480
find common ground rather to score than
to score a point. So absolutely, I mean

544
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,520
this is what I do for a living.
>> Okay. Um,

545
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:54,359
let's see. Um,
oh, here's one. Um,

546
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,319
I was a planning commissioner for 10
years. So, sometimes I would I'll do my

547
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:07,040
own my own life experience here. So,
sometimes I would have a project visit,

548
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:10,319
do all my homework, everything else. And
though you're not supposed to make your

549
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:14,000
final decision on how you feel about the
project, you kind of come in and kind of

550
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:17,520
have a feeling how you feel about this
project, like you know, I'm really for

551
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:21,520
it or I'm kind of got some issues with
certain things or I'm not really, you

552
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:27,280
know, this is needs a whole lot more
work. So, um, but then I also learned

553
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:31,680
that as you listen to other
commissioners and you listen to other

554
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:36,079
viewpoints and their ideas and their
opinions that you can change your mind

555
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:41,280
and say, "Wait a minute, I didn't think
about that." And that does make sense.

556
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:45,440
And so for a project that maybe I wasn't
going to vote for, I might change my

557
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:49,440
mind and vote for it. Or a project I was
going to vote for that I'm going to vote

558
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:55,359
for it to be continued so they can do
further work. Do you feel that you have

559
00:41:52,079 --> 00:42:00,240
that kind of open mind analysis that you
know you would be open to other people's

560
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:02,800
viewpoints and being able to change your
mind?

561
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,480
» Uh I hope I can learn.
>> Okay.

562
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:06,560
» I hope I can learn from my fellow
commissioners. That's part of the

563
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,800
experience, right?
>> Okay.

564
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:13,440
» Nobody nobody has a monopoly on wisdom
or a monopoly on good ideas. So you have

565
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:21,520
to absolutely listen to others.
And um

566
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:30,280
do you um believe that um
uh as as a planning commissioner that

567
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,280
your role is to

568
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:40,480
balance the municipal code with the
interest and wants of a applicant

569
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:45,599
against what's best for the entire
community.

570
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:50,240
I believe that the job of the commission
is often a balancing of factors. That is

571
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:55,280
absolutely true. It is also one where
you cannot disregard the law. So the law

572
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,839
may set a bright line in which case you
have to follow it and if the law is not

573
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:04,800
as exact then of course you have
discretion.

574
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:12,880
» Okay. Thank you. And then I guess my
last question is is that when

575
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:15,880
we we all have our
um

576
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:26,560
careers, jobs, interests,
specialties that we bring to whatever

577
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:32,480
we're doing in our volunteer um life.
And um as a planning commissioner, you

578
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:39,359
know, we're going to be looking at you
to be um making your your

579
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:45,040
approach to being a planning
commissioner and your decisions and

580
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:53,760
everything else as more as a citizen
um versus a um as a role as a lawyer.

581
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:57,839
And so do you see yourself having a
problem with that?

582
00:43:55,839 --> 00:44:01,440
No, not at all. Okay. I think lawyers
can be good citizens.

583
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:07,440
» Okay. All right. Okay. Well, those are
all my questions. Thank you,

584
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,640
» Jane. I think I skipped you. Do you have
questions?

585
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,359
» You didn't skip.
>> Oh, we didn't skip you. I'm sorry.

586
00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:13,760
» It's my turn now. That's all.
>> Go ahead.

587
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,079
» Hi. Nice to meet you.
>> Likewise.

588
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:22,319
» Uh, I was not on the planning
commission, but I've attended many of

589
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:27,920
the meetings over the last four or five
years, so I've learned a lot. Um, and my

590
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:34,000
qu a lot of my questions have already
been asked and answered. So, thank you,

591
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:36,560
fellow commissioners. Um, I I think you
said you've only lived here for four

592
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,160
months.
>> No, no, no. Uh, February of 2025.

593
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:48,720
» Oh, okay. Great. Um, I was going to say,
wow, you're really jump jumping in. You

594
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:54,720
fell in love fast. Um, okay. So, I'm
assuming, you know, one of the things

595
00:44:50,720 --> 00:45:01,280
that um can come up is that where you
live, you know everything intimately

596
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:07,040
about that neighborhood, but we do have
um three to four different types of

597
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:14,319
zoning here based on um if you live on
the water, if you're living on a small

598
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:20,640
hill, larger island, whatever. So, um I
I just wondered if you were familiar

599
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:25,280
with all the different um physical areas
and that they may have zoning

600
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:30,880
differences and that you would be
representing all of the areas equally,

601
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:35,440
not just the one that you live in
because you're most familiar with it.

602
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:38,240
» Yeah. So, uh two-part answer. The first
is I've tried to walk pretty much every

603
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,880
street in the town. I think it's just
beautiful. It's also good exercise given

604
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:46,319
the slopes. Um, but the second part of
your question is there's going to be

605
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:50,319
aspects of the code that I'll need to
learn, but it's not like I represent one

606
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:56,079
particular block and that has to triumph
over everything else. Absolutely not.

607
00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:00,720
» Yeah. Yeah, you're right. The code is uh
complex at first, but then it gets

608
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:05,440
easier as as you learn it. At least
that's what I've heard. Um, I wondered

609
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:09,920
if you'd had any chance to speak with
any of our planning commissioners that

610
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:12,800
sit there now.
Uh I have not other than just observing

611
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:16,160
that. Okay.
>> And I've spoken to Marshall Aski. She's

612
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:20,079
an alternate.
>> Yes. And a previous planning

613
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,599
commissioner. And have you had an
opportunity to meet with our planning

614
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,599
director, Rebecca?
>> Just briefly.

615
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:31,440
» Briefly.
>> During the meetings.

616
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:36,240
» Okay. So, um although um the the monthly
meetings are scheduled in advance as you

617
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:42,079
said, you've also responded to questions
about um perhaps smaller subcommittees

618
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:48,079
or additional small task force that
might have to do with housing element or

619
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:53,839
general plan review and update etc. Um,
but there's also we have a requirement

620
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:59,359
of training of going to training.
Although that's again you it's set up in

621
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:04,640
advance for just one time. It's not
ongoing training so that shouldn't be an

622
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:11,040
issue. Um, but something that is ongoing
is the communication back and forth from

623
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:16,400
our planning director. And um, uh, I'm
assuming that when you're doing all your

624
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:21,839
traveling, you have email availability.
and get back could would be able to get

625
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:24,720
back to her for whatever it is she needs
from you at least within 24 hours. That

626
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,640
is correct.
>> Does that seem reasonable?

627
00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:29,359
» That is correct.
>> Okay, good. That's

628
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:34,800
» If I didn't have that, I'd probably be
fired. So, yes.

629
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:37,920
» Yes, probably. Um but um
uh yeah, otherwise my other questions

630
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,760
have been answered. So, thank you. Thank
you for offering to serve.

631
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:46,400
» Thank you,
>> Jacob. I have no questions of you. we've

632
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:51,680
met and had a nice coffee together and I
learned a lot about you so I think I had

633
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:55,520
my questions answered. Um so um with
that shall I open for public comment in

634
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:58,079
relation to this first or shall I do the
other or should we proceed with the

635
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,240
other interview first?
>> You could just do one round after we

636
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,240
complete the interviews.
>> Okay, perfect. So Jacob, you're not

637
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,960
required to stay on. The decision won't
be made until the end of the meeting and

638
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,720
it could be a long meeting. So it's
entirely up to you whether you wish to

639
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,920
stay or not.
>> That's fine. Thank you very much.

640
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:17,280
» Thank you so much. Thanks for your time.
Okay. So, we'll move on to our um second

641
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:21,359
position which is for the Belvadier
Tibbron Library Agency Board of

642
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:25,240
Trustees. And this is for Andrea Barish
who I believe is here.

643
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,760
» Andrea, welcome. Um please just uh
introduce yourself, where you live, and

644
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,079
your interest in serving on the uh the
agency board.

645
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:40,400
» Yes, thank you so much for having me
here. I'm really happy to be here. Um I

646
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:45,760
live in Belvadier, just on San Avenue. I
actually grew up here. I my family moved

647
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:49,359
here in 1968 and we promptly all became
members of the Belier Tibbron Library

648
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:54,000
when it was based in the same building
where the post office is now. Um my

649
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:58,160
family was very much engaged in the
library. My father was very involved in

650
00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:03,200
the fundraising to help move it to the
new I say new location but the newer

651
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:08,559
location where it is now. And my mom at
the age of 90 last year was working as a

652
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:12,480
volunteer at corner books and she did
that for several years. So the library

653
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:17,280
has been a very big part of my family's
life. I had moved away after college and

654
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:22,559
came back every year to spend time at
the library when I was home. And as soon

655
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:27,520
as I moved back nine years ago, I became
I got my library card renewed. Um so

656
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:32,720
it's been a really big part of my life
and um libraries in general have been.

657
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:38,240
So I when this position opened up, I
actually misread it in the tip in the

658
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:43,599
arc and I applied for it and the last
cycle and it was actually for the

659
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:48,319
Tibbron position and so I said we're not
doing Tibbron now, but Belvadier's

660
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:52,720
coming up. So I um waited and waited
until it opened up and wanted to take

661
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:58,400
the opportunity. But um I've been doing
a lot I do a lot of research and reading

662
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:02,480
about where the library is now and was
really engaged with reading and I have

663
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:09,280
been reading about it for a couple years
now. But the strategic plan and the um

664
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:14,160
let's connect theme really resonated
with me. I that's who I am as a person

665
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:19,680
was connections are really important to
me but also in my career in

666
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:26,000
communications. I worked for a large PR
agency for decades um in strategy and

667
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:31,440
communications and then now I work for
the American Heart Association in

668
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:36,960
communications um VP communications. So
um most of my job has been about finding

669
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:44,480
ways to connect communities with either
a brand or a product or a service and um

670
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:50,240
that's what I do. I look at the data, I
interpret it, I find an idea, and then I

671
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:54,480
inst implement it. Um, as part of my
role in the American Canc right now, I'm

672
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:58,640
very integrated with the development
team with our event planning and

673
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:03,599
fundraising. I do a lot of work with
that team to help them um meet their

674
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:07,760
goals as well. So, I'm sort of a
horizontal position that works on all

675
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:12,480
sorts of things. I have to know
everything about everything and not just

676
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:16,240
one part of the channel. But I'm really
excited about this position because I

677
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:21,119
feel like it's a lot of opportunity to
really help connect the community to the

678
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:25,839
library. Um I'm not you know and looking
at the I see the plan goes till 2026. So

679
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,359
I'm a little bit excited that there's a
new plan in place hopefully or there's

680
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:33,599
going to be some strategy around putting
one together. Love to be part of that

681
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:39,440
plan. Um because that's sort of what I
do. I love putting strategy together and

682
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:43,680
seeing it come to life. Um, and then
I've just just a personal note, just

683
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,880
watching the library when I first walked
in a couple years ago and had been

684
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:51,280
rebuilt, I felt I walked into a
cathedral, I was like, "This is

685
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:55,359
amazing." And I was so proud of what the
community had done and just some of the

686
00:51:53,359 --> 00:52:00,480
programs and services now just blow me
away. So, um, I'd love to be more of a

687
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:05,599
part of that and bring it to life. And
as a side note, I'm retiring in nine

688
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:09,680
days, but who's counting? After 40
years, and I'm looking forward to

689
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:14,000
spending time and investing in my more
in my community. Thank you,

690
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:18,720
» Andrea. Thank you very much for that
introduction. I'll go to council members

691
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:25,599
with questions. Jane,
>> um I uh welcome. Thank you so much for

692
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:32,720
your interest in this position. Um I
just do do you understand that there is

693
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:36,079
another candidate and um he's not here
tonight because we had already

694
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:40,880
interviewed him before he took his
position.

695
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:44,800
» So um uh just I wasn't sure if you
understood that. I I learned that when I

696
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:48,800
got the packet and I saw that he was
coming back and I understand how

697
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,800
important people who have been in that
role are and have that continuity. But

698
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,200
I'd love to bring a different
perspective and different ideas and

699
00:52:55,359 --> 00:53:01,680
» but I do understand it because I've
served on boards myself and know that

700
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:08,800
» that's important. So,
>> so, um, whatever decision gets made

701
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:13,760
tonight, um, I I'm really impressed with
a lot of the things that you mentioned,

702
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:19,839
such as connecting the community to the
library and that you have this

703
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:25,839
background in communication and um,
community engagement, marketing, etc.

704
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:32,400
And, um, I wondered if you were familiar
with other opportunities at the library.

705
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:40,640
They have an extremely active uh
foundation board which actually sounds

706
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:48,240
like a very wonderful match
>> um as a possibility if you would be open

707
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:54,000
to that. Um, I served for a year or so
as the representative to the library

708
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:58,880
board from our city council and the um,
foundation board representatives attend

709
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:05,280
every board meeting, are very involved
in everything the board does, but they

710
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:11,440
actually are the arm that connects the
community to the library, much more so

711
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:16,079
than the board does. And so, um, I I'm
just putting that out there in case

712
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:20,319
you're, um, at all interested in that
that I think would be a great

713
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:26,800
opportunity for you. But otherwise, I
think you're, um, very prepared for, uh,

714
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:29,440
joining the library at any on any
position there.

715
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:33,920
» Thank you. Well, you know, I've never
been a really a title person. I'm more

716
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:39,040
about the work and the job. So, if the
job is somewhere else, that's fine. I'm

717
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:41,040
open to that for sure.
Okay, great. I'm glad you're open to it.

718
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,760
Thanks.
>> But Jenny, are you saying there's a

719
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:46,400
position on the foundation available
right now? Okay. Thanks,

720
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,800
» Kevin.
>> And I'm happy to connect you if

721
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,319
» Thank you.
>> if you needed that.

722
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:57,760
» Um, thanks for your interest and
congratulations on your impending

723
00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:02,720
retirement. The water is fine. You will
enjoy it. I promise. Um, just maybe

724
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:07,119
quickly if you could share some of your
lessons learned from your board service

725
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:12,400
um with the American uh Cancer Society,
I think it was. Yeah. Um, yeah, sure. I

726
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:18,720
worked for the American Cancer Society
for a few years and when as an employee

727
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:25,200
and then when I moved to New York um to
take a new position um I wanted to stay

728
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:31,359
engaged so I joined the board and um I
did a lot of work through fundraising. I

729
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:37,440
did a lot of work with um going to see
um prospective donors and um creating

730
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:42,160
stories and really understanding
connecting them to our mission. Um I was

731
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:45,440
also I'm a cancer survivor. So one of
the things I did I did a lot of patient

732
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:50,160
outreach. Um so that was really
important to me and I just stayed really

733
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:55,280
engaged throughout I did lobbying on the
hill in in Washington and that was

734
00:55:52,640 --> 00:56:00,799
really amazing opportunity. And then
when I moved back to California um nine

735
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:05,200
years ago, um I was still really
connected to my American Cancer Society

736
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:09,440
team and they approached me and they
said, "Would you like to be on the board

737
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,400
here?" And I said, "Well, I love it."
They said, "Well, how would you like to

738
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:16,799
be the chair?" And I was like, "Okay,
that's a little bit different." So, um

739
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:22,799
but I did take that on and um I really
enjoyed it. I loved we sort of built

740
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:27,520
that board um for the Bay Area. Um so I
uh was in part of my job was to go out

741
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:33,359
and meet people and ask them to be part
of that team. Um also develop programs

742
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:37,760
and services for our board and and
really I navigated

743
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:43,839
you know I well I managed the board
meetings and came up with the strategies

744
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:47,680
and the um the overall agenda. But the
best part was you know we were talking

745
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,520
earlier about you know being open to
ideas and that to me is like the best

746
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:55,599
part. I mean, I always feel like the
best idea can come from anywhere. It

747
00:56:53,920 --> 00:57:00,400
doesn't matter who you are. If you have
an idea, I'm open to it and I think

748
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:05,680
that's part of my creative job that I
had. You know, the good idea comes from

749
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:09,280
anywhere. So, I really appreciate that.
>> Uh, thank you. And I I'm just very

750
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:12,880
inspired by the work you're doing. I
mean, all of these organizations that

751
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:16,640
you're helping with um such important
purposes. So, thank you for all that

752
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:20,000
work.
>> Peter,

753
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:23,839
» hi. Thanks, Andrew. I don't really have
a question. Um, I really loved your

754
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:29,440
letter and I and I really applaud and
thank you for your interest. Um, and I

755
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:34,559
think your engagement and your community
focus

756
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:39,119
is is right up um, exactly what our
representative to the board would um,

757
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,760
require and I think um, you know,
pending our deliberation, you'd be an

758
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,000
asset to that library representing
Beladier. So, I just thank you for your

759
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:48,280
for your
>> for your um, involvement.

760
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:58,960
So, thank you very much for coming
forward and um I really um

761
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:03,520
feel um inspired by your enthusiasm. It
really comes across and I just sit here

762
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:07,520
like Council Member Jane Cooper sitting
there going, "Wait a minute. She would

763
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:11,280
be great here. She would be great there.
So, we probably should all connect later

764
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:17,200
because I think there's a lot of great
opportunities for you out there." Um but

765
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:22,400
the one question I did have for you
above and beyond this role um is that

766
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,920
have you attended any of the library
board meetings? Have you had an

767
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:30,079
opportunity to just spend time in the
library um and that you know and I have

768
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:35,040
to say part of the hard part is that
because I work full-time so many of the

769
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:39,680
programs are during the day. Yeah. And
you know, my mom attended many of them.

770
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:45,040
So I knew from her what she was doing in
her Spanish and her, you know, how to

771
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:48,319
redraw, you know, iPad, all those kind
of things she was taking I thought was

772
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,680
great. But I haven't really t been able
to take advantage of too many things. I

773
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:56,880
go every I I work in the library
sometimes, do my I bring my computer and

774
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:58,640
work out of the library. Um and then but
I haven't really been at the board

775
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:02,160
meeting. So
>> Okay. Will you have the opportunity in

776
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:07,599
nine days to be able to
>> expand your time? But um it's always

777
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:12,720
very difficult for us when there's so
many great people that come forward to

778
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:18,559
volunteer because this town runs on
volunteer. I mean other than our staff,

779
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:22,960
we're all volunteers for everything that
happens here and there's so many great

780
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:30,079
opportunities,
multiple opportunities that could use

781
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:35,040
your talent. So, um I just hope that um
whatever the decision is tonight that

782
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:42,880
there's many more opportunities that you
would fit in so perfectly with um that I

783
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:47,359
think that you know we we'll be taking
up some of your retirement time and

784
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:51,040
taking advantage of all your talent in
one form or fashion as uh our future

785
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:55,040
unfolds.
>> I would love that. Thank you so much.

786
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:57,920
» You're welcome. Thank you for applying.
>> Thank you. Um, Andrew, I don't have any

787
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:02,240
additional questions. You're obviously
incredibly qualified for this role. So,

788
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:05,599
we will be deliberating at the end of
the council meeting. So, again, you're

789
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:08,000
welcome to stay. You do not have to
stay. Um, and we can

790
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:12,720
» I don't know if I have a higher
self-esteem for that.

791
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:17,040
» Um, but thank you for for your
application. As I say, you're incredibly

792
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,040
qualified and talented and we look
forward to connecting with you.

793
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:20,319
» Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.

794
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:24,079
» Thank you.
>> Um, okay, let's open this for public

795
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,440
comment. Is there any public comment in
the room?

796
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,160
Not seeing any.
>> I see no hands.

797
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:35,280
» Okay, perfect. In that case, we will
close item 3D um and move on to the

798
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:38,880
consent calendar, which is item four.
The consent calendar consists of items

799
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:42,880
that the city council considers to be
routine or council has discussed

800
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,720
previously and do not require further
discussion. Unless any item is

801
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:51,359
specifically removed by any member of
the city council, the consent calendar

802
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:55,119
will be adopted by one motion. Council
will take public comment on all items on

803
01:00:53,280 --> 01:01:00,480
the consent calendar when the calendar
is called. Can I first ask council

804
01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:03,760
members whether anybody wishes to remove
any of the items from the consent

805
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:08,799
calendar?
Seeing none, um I will open the consent

806
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,559
calendar 4 A to 4 C up to public
comment. Is there any inbody in the

807
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:13,839
room? Seeing none, is there anybody
online?

808
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,520
» I see none.
>> Perfect. In that case, can I get a

809
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:22,160
motion for the for approval of 4 A
through 4C? I can make a motion to

810
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:24,640
approve the consent calendar as um
written 4 A through 4C.

811
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,400
» Second.
>> All in favor?

812
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,720
» I.
>> Motion passes. Okay. We're going to move

813
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:35,200
on to the individual consent calendar.
Um I guess I will read out the verbiage.

814
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:39,119
Um, the individual consent calendar
consists of items that the city council

815
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:42,559
considers to be routine or council has
discussed previously and do not require

816
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:45,839
further discussion but are separately
listed because a council member or

817
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:50,559
members have a conflict of interest
which require them to recuse themselves

818
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:56,079
from participation in this decision. Um,
I will identify myself as being one of

819
01:01:52,960 --> 01:02:01,200
the council members recused from item 5A
as I live within 500 ft of the property

820
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:05,040
through Belvadier Way. I likewise will
recuse myself because I also live within

821
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:10,520
500 ft of the subject property
>> and I will hand over to vice mayor.

822
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,520
» Thank you.

823
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:22,480
» I'll ask just so the public can hear
too. Do we have a staff report?

824
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:25,839
» No staff report.
>> Okay. Um so I'll bring it back to the

825
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:30,480
council. Do we have questions from the
council?

826
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:37,359
» I do have a question. I don't know if it
needs to be pulled or if I could just

827
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:42,799
ask ask a question. Um
I know what's before us tonight is the

828
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:46,559
vocal. Did do you want to say something?
>> Do you want us to pull it or not? I mean

829
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,880
essentially just pull it.
>> Just pull it.

830
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:52,559
» It doesn't matter as a practical matter.
So please go ahead.

831
01:02:50,000 --> 01:03:00,640
» Okay. All right. So, um I know what's
before us is the revocable license for

832
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:07,920
three Belvadier Way and that last month
um there was also a second revocable

833
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:13,359
license for the lane portion. So, my
question has to do with the lane

834
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:21,920
portion. I asked the question before the
meeting. I don't know if the answer

835
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:29,119
was able to be researched and answered,
but there were are existing several

836
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:37,839
PVC
drainage pipes that are coming out onto

837
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:43,200
our property and into
I guess the drainage that's along the

838
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:51,520
lane. So the question is is were we able
to ascertain if those are a public drain

839
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:54,640
or if they're private improvements?
>> A clarification from our council,

840
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:59,440
please. Can we be discussing something
that's not been agenderized?

841
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:03,440
We're only the RL is for Belvadier Way,
not the lane.

842
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:06,240
» Right. But I believe the council member,
vice mayor, I believe the council member

843
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:09,039
is asking just a little bit more context
and asking a factual question.

844
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:14,880
» Okay. So, I think staff can go ahead and
answer if they have that information.

845
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:20,319
» I was able to reach out to um Tony Boyd
and um currently we have no record of

846
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:26,079
these pipes and they are not city-owned.
So, my guess is with this building and I

847
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:29,920
quickly look through our um the building
permit submitt for comments from

848
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:36,720
engineering.
I assume a more robust drainage plan has

849
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:42,480
to be submitted and approved. And I'm
not sure I would guess that these might

850
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:45,920
go away as part I I don't know. Okay. I
don't know what

851
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:50,559
» the drainage may come later. So it may
prove that when they submit their

852
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:58,079
building plan with their drainage
included if they are doing any kind of

853
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:01,599
tape extension across our property, they
would then have to come back and get an

854
01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:04,720
RL for that portion.
>> Yes, they would.

855
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:09,680
» Okay. All right. That was my question.
Any

856
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:15,599
other questions?
>> Well, I I had a lot of problems with

857
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:21,039
this. Um,
but um I've been reviewing it a little

858
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:26,799
bit more and I guess I'll just ask some
for clarification

859
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:32,880
purposes. Um, there was some statement
that public benefit would be because

860
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:38,880
some of the road was being repaved to
make it easier to drive on. And I think

861
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:42,720
there were in the staff report and um
something about easier maneuverability

862
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:49,359
for the public when they drive on
Belvadier Way. Um, but we actually have

863
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:56,000
signs on Belvadier Way that say there is
no turning on Belvadier Way at the top.

864
01:05:53,039 --> 01:06:02,799
So, I don't think um easier
maneuverability is going to work as a as

865
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:10,559
a public benefit, but I um recognize
that

866
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:17,599
the actual driveway as it is now is uh
over city property and the property line

867
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:24,880
is in from where the driveway would go.
So, by um redoing that area, that would

868
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:29,680
benefit the city property because it
would take care of the roadway there for

869
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:32,680
their entry into their home. Is that
correct?

870
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:40,079
» Yeah, that that's correct.
>> Okay. And then also

871
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:46,400
um all the planting that already exists
going up Belvadier Way, that's also

872
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:52,160
currently on city property. And so the
RL would take care of them providing the

873
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:55,760
maintenance for all those plants.
>> Correct.

874
01:06:52,720 --> 01:07:00,480
» Okay. So I do then see that there's a
benefit to the public based on those two

875
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:10,240
things, not necessarily on what was
written in the staff report. So um just

876
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:13,240
to clarify that. And then um uh I also
um

877
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:25,119
uh had a little I have a concern
um because I know that the RL was pulled

878
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:28,559
for along the lane and I think in the um
uh

879
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:34,559
planning commission condition of
approval there's a statement that says

880
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:40,799
if any of the construction impacts the
retention ion wall or that area of land

881
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:47,599
that the owner will have to provide the
repairs for everything there. But um it

882
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:52,480
seemed when I read it, I mean I I don't
have it in front of me. Sorry. Um, I it

883
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:57,280
did it seemed like it went something
like we'll talk about it, but I would

884
01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:02,880
what I would like to ask if there was a
way that we could make that more

885
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:08,880
definitive and make it more um that I
would like the public works to actually

886
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:14,000
go out and and look at the
wall that's there, measure its angle

887
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:20,560
because I have a hard time believing
that a foundation for a huge pool which

888
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:26,239
is going to be built 10 feet from that
wall is not going to have any

889
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:31,359
um
construction vehicles that are going to

890
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:36,239
impact that area. And since that is in
the planning commission

891
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:41,679
uh condition and unfortunately I was
very disappointed. We usually have our

892
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:47,759
our residents are usually really great
neighbors of the lanes and they usually

893
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:54,319
are very generous in wanting to work
with the city and figure out a way to um

894
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:58,960
improve what's next to them. So, it was
disappointing to me that that didn't

895
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:04,719
happen. And I just want to make sure
that if there's any way we can

896
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:11,040
strengthen that uh condition by um
having the actual measurement of the

897
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:18,239
angle of that retention wall so that we
once any construction demolition begins

898
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:27,279
we'd be able to show that it was related
to that not simply time or weather. So

899
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:31,120
it is that's my request. Uh, if I may,
Vice Mayor, just briefly, uh, just to

900
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:34,480
clarify, the procedural posture here,
Council Member Cooper, uh, the planning

901
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:39,040
commission resolution and the condition
of approval that you mentioned is not

902
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,920
currently before the city council. Um, I
can certainly understand your concerns

903
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:45,040
and I'm sure those concerns could also
be shared with the planning commission.

904
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:48,239
So, they may bear in mind in the future,
but that has not been appealed to the

905
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,880
council. What is before the council is
the real license, but we will certainly

906
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,400
pass it along.
>> Okay. Thanks.

907
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:55,400
» Thank you, council member.

908
01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:01,840
That's it.
>> Thank you. Uh, so we'll now open it up

909
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:05,840
to the public for any public comment.
Anyone in the room that's on the phone?

910
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,600
» I see none.
>> Thank you. So, we'll bring it back to

911
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:15,920
the council for deliberation and or
decision. Any discussion?

912
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:23,360
» Uh, do I hear a motion?
>> Oh, yes. Hold on one second.

913
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:26,960
» I'm listening. I can make a motion to
approve the revocable license for

914
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:31,199
existing private improvements in the
public right of way for the property at

915
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:35,120
three Belvadier Way.
>> James faster with the trigger. Yeah. Do

916
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:39,840
I hear a second?
>> That's just second.

917
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:46,480
» All those in favor?
>> I I motion carries.

918
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:52,040
» We can now invite our Sally and Mark
back in uh Peter. Sally and Peter back

919
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:52,040
into the room.

920
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:15,679
Okay.
All right. We are going to be moving on

921
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:20,080
to item six, which is our um our public
hearings. Item 6A, discussion and

922
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:25,600
approval of a request for an extension
of the tentative subdivision map for the

923
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:29,760
Malad Point project located at 1 to 22
Malad Road. Um I think if we can ask the

924
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:34,560
applicant and his team to come to the
front, that would be helpful. Um and on

925
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:39,600
the staff side, I'm going to identify
everybody who I think we have available

926
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:45,280
if that would be helpful to begin. Um we
have um our city engineer is is

927
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,440
available online, John Mo, is that
correct? Yes, he is. Uh

928
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:54,080
» Brian is here somewhere.
>> Brian, our city building official is

929
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:58,480
here. Rebecca obviously is here, our
director of of planning. Um and we have

930
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:03,679
our specialist attorney, Barbara Keltz,
is present as well, along with our city

931
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:06,080
attorney, Andrew Shen. Um, okay. I think
we are going to do this a little bit

932
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:11,920
differently, which is we're going to
start with the um the staff report from

933
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:16,719
Rebecca and then if that's okay with the
um with the applicant, we'd like to go

934
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:20,239
over to you to give an update on where
you are with the project and then we

935
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:26,159
will take it back to city council
questions for um for both our

936
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:31,280
representatives and also from the Mallet
Point team as well. So, Rebecca, do you

937
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:33,520
want to kick off with um this specific
item?

938
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:37,679
» Yes, I do. Thank you, mayor, and good
evening, council members. Um, as you

939
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:42,800
mentioned, the item before you tonight
includes discussion of a request for an

940
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:48,320
extension of a tenative subdivision map
for the Malard Point project, which is

941
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:53,280
located at 1 to22 Malard Road. On March
19th, 2024, planning commission approved

942
01:12:51,120 --> 01:13:00,400
demolition and design review for the
demolition of 22 units and construction

943
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:05,760
of 14 units located on Malard Road. On
May 13, 2024, the city council approved

944
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:10,159
the tenative subdivision map and
revocable license for the project.

945
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:15,440
Pursuant to this resolution, the
tenative map was set to expire on May

946
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:19,760
13, 2026.
On February 2nd, 2026, the planning

947
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:24,880
commission considered the applicant's
request for amendments to the planning

948
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:28,640
commission and demolition resolutions.
At that meeting, the planning commission

949
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:34,800
made several changes. extensions of
design review approvals. Um, additional

950
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:39,679
time of 75 days for demolition,
adjustments to lots 1 and 12 to remove

951
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:44,960
one unit from the forplex on lot 12 and
add one unit to the apartment building

952
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:48,239
and clarification of the timing
regarding construction of the apartment

953
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:53,360
building so that it receives a
certificate of occupancy or final

954
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:58,640
inspection as applicable applicable
prior to or at the same time as issuance

955
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:02,560
of the certificate of occupancy
or final inspection as applicable. able

956
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:07,440
for any other dwelling unit on the
project

957
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:13,360
or in the project. Um in April of 2026,
the applicant applied for a three-year

958
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:18,239
extension for the tenative map um until
May 13, 2029.

959
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:23,679
The applicant's reasoning behind the
extension includes need for additional

960
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:27,760
uh requests while continuing to navigate
the ongoing permitting, utility

961
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:32,560
coordination, tenant noticing
requirements, and sequencing issues

962
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:37,360
associated with the project, including
coordination relating to the existing

963
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:42,239
PG& easements, demolition permitting,
outside agency approvals, and final map

964
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:46,880
processing.
uh state and local law govern the

965
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:52,320
subdivision of property dividing it into
larger par larger parcels into smaller

966
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:57,920
parcels and under that subdivision map
act and the Belvadier municipal code a

967
01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:02,880
tenative map expires 24 months after its
approval. Local law states that an

968
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:07,760
applicant can seek an extension for up
to three years. New or revised

969
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:12,400
conditions cannot be attached to a
request for an extension, but the city

970
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:15,760
council may determine the length of the
extension.

971
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:21,040
So long as a request for an extension
was made before the tenative map

972
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:26,400
expired, the extension may be approved
even after the automatic 60-day

973
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:30,480
extension expires. Uh Belvadier
Municipal Code section provides that

974
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:34,719
planning commission considers extension
of tenative maps. However, the

975
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:39,920
subdivision map act provides that either
the legislative body like the city

976
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:42,960
council or an advisory agency like the
planning commission may approve an

977
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:48,000
extension.
Here the applicant has requested that

978
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:52,400
the council considered the extension.
And since council approved the final

979
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:56,560
resolution regarding the tenative map,
staff believes it appropriate that the

980
01:15:54,400 --> 01:16:00,480
council consider this pending request
for the extension.

981
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:05,120
The project is an important part of the
city's site inventory and the recently

982
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:08,880
approved housing element. The applicant
has submitted applications for

983
01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:14,640
demolition, infrastructure, and bulkhead
replacement and is continuing to address

984
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:17,920
all of the final map conditions.
The applicant has submitted a request

985
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:22,080
for a three-year extension of that
tenative map. Based on the applicant's

986
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:27,520
explanation for the three-year
extension, staff can recommend a shorter

987
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:31,760
two-year extension for the tenative map
through May 13, 2028.

988
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:35,040
Staff estimates that a two-year
extension would be sufficient to

989
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:40,159
complete the conditions required for the
final map approval. Ultimately, the

990
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:45,120
duration of this extension is at the
council's discretion. And I'm here for a

991
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:50,080
question should you have any.
>> Thank you. Um Bruce, do you want to

992
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:56,280
introduce your team? And um I believe
you have a update on the status of the

993
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:56,280
project. If you'd like to give that now

994
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:06,440
the question is where do I find

995
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,480
This is

996
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,360
aologies.

997
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:04,199
No worries.
Oh, good.

998
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:11,920
Good evening, mayor and city council
members. I'm Bruce Dorfman with Malard

999
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:16,800
Point. Uh joining me tonight are Jayli,
our project manager, and Riley Herd, our

1000
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:22,560
council. Um I wanted to give a quick
overview of why we are where we are

1001
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:26,440
relative to the extension request for
our tenative map.

1002
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:34,719
So, um needless to say, there's been a
lot of actions taken by the city council

1003
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:40,239
as well as the planning commission over
the years. Um, but since uh 2024, we've

1004
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:44,960
been working diligently
uh to process a number of items in order

1005
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:52,239
to get to a point where we could get the
final map approved. Um,

1006
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:56,640
but basically uh relative to getting the
final map approved, we put together this

1007
01:18:54,480 --> 01:19:01,520
development sequencing milestones that
not just reviews uh getting to the final

1008
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:08,320
map but also to some of the other
elements of the project. Uh, but a key

1009
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:12,400
first step is to get the demo permit and
walking you through this process. Once

1010
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:17,040
we've received the demo permit, then
that starts a 60-day then we can provide

1011
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:23,040
a 60-day notice to our residents to
vacate, which is statutory. Um, and

1012
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:27,840
after they vacate, then we can demolish
the project. Demolishing the project is

1013
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:33,760
important relative to the final map. And
I'll go to the lowest line which is it

1014
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:40,560
allows us then to abandon the utilities
um which can't be done uh on a

1015
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:46,239
conditional basis. Uh we then record new
utility easements and at that point in

1016
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:51,280
time we can record the final map or or
get the final map approved. uh relative

1017
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:55,840
to the demo permit, it's also important
relative to other aspects of the project

1018
01:19:53,600 --> 01:20:01,040
as it allows for the bulkhead
construction to commence. Um allows us

1019
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:06,080
to access sites that are currently
inaccessible to do additional

1020
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:10,640
geotechnical exploration which lead to
foundation design and ultimately to

1021
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:16,400
building permits allowing for the
construction of the single family and

1022
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:20,920
multifamily homes. Um, and it also
allows us to move forward with

1023
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,920
infrastructure.

1024
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:31,520
Went too quick. So, this is what we've
been dealing with over the past two

1025
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:36,320
years. Uh, above the five permits are
the various agencies and departments

1026
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:41,440
we've been working with in order to get
the various uh permits approved. Um,

1027
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:47,040
there it's probably close to a couple
dozen uh that we've been involved with

1028
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:51,440
in total. And then down below are is our
team that responds to the various or is

1029
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:56,719
developing the design as well as
responding to the various questions uh

1030
01:20:53,760 --> 01:21:02,400
that have come up. What I want to
mention is that this um is just for

1031
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:09,199
permitting and it excludes all the
thirdparty attorneys. Uh excludes our

1032
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:13,040
marketing and our finance teams and also
um should be noted that several of these

1033
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:17,679
agencies are federal agencies and were
impacted by the government shutdown at

1034
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:20,679
the end of last year. So that slowed us
down.

1035
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:28,080
So, the status of the current reviews,
we have gone through multiple uh

1036
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:32,719
iterations of these and I think that
staff would agree. We're um on the

1037
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:38,159
fourth revision of the bulkhead permit.
We're on our fourth revision of the

1038
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:44,640
infrastructure permit. Uh we're on our
fourth re revision of the final map.

1039
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:48,400
We're on our fifth and um revision of
both the affordable housing agreement

1040
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:52,679
and the regulatory agreement and the
third revision of the SIA

1041
01:21:52,880 --> 01:22:04,560
and that's a lot. Um finally um relative
to the sequencing of our construction

1042
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:08,880
activities once we get to um vertical uh
we are starting with the apartment

1043
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:15,440
building which is lot one and then
effectively building counterclockwise or

1044
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:22,239
sorry building clockwise uh on the site
uh until we get to lot 12 which is the

1045
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:27,760
lot right across from uh city hall.
So with that, that provides a quick

1046
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:33,239
overview and um here to answer any
questions. I don't know if there's

1047
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,239
anything you want to add.

1048
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:40,000
» Good evening. Uh my name is Riley Herd.
I'm a local land use attorney. I

1049
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:46,000
specialize in state housing laws and I
was also part of the project team that

1050
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:50,560
got Malard Point uh approved. Uh, in the
last five years, I've personally

1051
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:58,239
entitled over 3,000 housing units in
Maring County. And I can guarantee you

1052
01:22:53,920 --> 01:23:02,159
that no one wants delay less than a
developer. I read some of the comments,

1053
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:08,320
you know, like let's get them going and
all this. They are trying that. Um, that

1054
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:12,480
is our goal to get to get these things
across the finish line. But it's very

1055
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:18,320
hard out there right now. What's being
asked for tonight is not uncommon across

1056
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:23,920
the county and the state. Interest rates
are holding back investment.

1057
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:29,360
Construction costs are particularly high
and Marin has a very special problem of

1058
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:36,400
no local workforce because there is no
local housing. So, it's this kind of um

1059
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:41,280
cycle that is making things take a
little longer uh right now. But the only

1060
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:44,560
thing before you tonight is uh extending
the tenative map. But I did understand

1061
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:48,400
why you wanted to hear about the
project. I wanted to let you know that I

1062
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:55,840
wrote a letter to the city. It was dated
May 12th, 2026. If you haven't read it,

1063
01:23:52,320 --> 01:24:01,520
I suggest you get a copy, take a look.
And what this letter is about is post

1064
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:08,080
entitlement permits. So the legislature,
as you know, has been chipping away at

1065
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:13,920
local control. like it or not, that's
what's happening. And you know, they got

1066
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:18,400
builder's remedy, they've got objective
standards only, and they're moving into

1067
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:23,679
kind of what I call the final frontiers
because um the permitting, the projects,

1068
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:29,040
they're getting approved. But what they
were seeing is this phase that Malard

1069
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:34,239
Point is in right now was hanging them
up. And remember, most of these are

1070
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:38,719
4,000 unit developments in the Central
Valley, and this is just a microcosm of

1071
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:43,520
it. But the improvement agreements, the
building permits, demo permits, they

1072
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:49,600
were taking forever to get out of
cities. So basically, they mirrored the

1073
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:54,239
permit streamlining act and said, "We're
going to make these rules apply to those

1074
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:57,840
postit permits as well." So, what my
letter does is kind of explains and you

1075
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:02,400
know, we're trying to work
collaboratively and educate um as all

1076
01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:07,760
these new laws come down, but it's
basically explains that um all of these

1077
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:12,239
permits that are keeping us from moving
forward on the map um should have been

1078
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:17,520
issued quite some time ago here in
Belvadier and a number of dates have

1079
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:21,280
passed. We're still just kind again
trying to work in partnership and and

1080
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:24,639
get those issued. But that's one of the
reasons for the request before you

1081
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:30,320
tonight is we're waiting on these
permits and we must get the demo permit.

1082
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:33,840
So, you know, as you heard, this site is
the cornerstone of the housing element

1083
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:38,080
and there is something coming up called
the midcycle review and it's where HD

1084
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:41,920
goes to the cities and says, "Okay,
you're halfway through the planning

1085
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:46,320
cycle. How are you doing? What have you
approved and what has gotten built?"

1086
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:53,360
because if we're not seeing good
progress, you know, we may have to take

1087
01:25:48,880 --> 01:26:00,159
another look at things. And um for
Belvadier's um uh purposes, this project

1088
01:25:57,679 --> 01:26:06,320
will will really be under the microscope
for HD. So, we're hoping that we can um

1089
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:12,639
move forward as quickly as possible, but
we need this extra time that Roarshock

1090
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:16,000
test that Bruce put on the screen. you
know, the people that care about housing

1091
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,800
are ringing their hands and saying, "Why
don't why aren't we getting more

1092
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:24,800
housing? Where is it?" Well, that
diagram is is why besides the

1093
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:30,000
construction costs and interest rates,
it just takes more time and it takes

1094
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:34,639
more money. So, you know, the only thing
before you tonight is extending the

1095
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:39,120
tenative map. It's not rehashing the
whole project and you know what what

1096
01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:43,199
other things would we like to have
changed or done differently, but we hope

1097
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:48,000
that that you can extend the map so that
we can keep working with staff and and

1098
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:53,520
get something going. Um, and we're all
here for any questions. Thank you.

1099
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:58,320
» Thank you very much for that. Okay, I'm
going to open to council for comments,

1100
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:02,440
questions. Sorry. Start with you, Peter.
>> Sure. Thank you. Uh

1101
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:08,400
we've received a lot of letters and uh I
just wanted to a couple questions both

1102
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:11,960
to our staff and perhaps the applicant
as well. Um

1103
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:23,000
relating to the de demolition per the
bulkhead permanent infrastructure. Um

1104
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:30,320
among the existing um conditions of
approval, there's there's there's two

1105
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:34,960
two that are are of of particular
interest relating to those. One is the

1106
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:41,280
demolition permit as a requirement to um
be issued along with the um demolition

1107
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:45,199
permit at the same time. Um I think it's
condition 12 of the as you mentioned in

1108
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:48,800
the staff report. The second relates to
the affordable housing agreement which

1109
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:54,000
requires among other things that the
affordable units be built and completed

1110
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:58,880
prior to CO of um any other property in
in the development. Can you just confirm

1111
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:02,080
that those conditions won't change with
any potential extension? I assume it

1112
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:05,080
isn't, but I just wanted a clear
confirmation.

1113
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:13,600
» All they're asking for is an extension
of the ten of the tenative map. None of

1114
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:16,960
the conditions change.
>> Okay.

1115
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:21,440
» Neither they can change. They would have
to make a new application for a tenative

1116
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:25,120
map to change the conditions which they
have not done.

1117
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:28,320
» And and on as as you mentioned that
what's before us tonight is this simple

1118
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:32,080
extension
>> exactly

1119
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:37,679
» to to this um tenative map. And can you
likewise um confirm as the staff report

1120
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:42,719
identified is that any real
consideration of of um what's before us

1121
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:46,400
is really just a length of a
consideration. Um new terms and

1122
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:51,199
conditions really are off the table um
short of

1123
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:54,239
um a significant change other than we're
seeing tonight. We don't really have

1124
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:57,600
much discretion to change anything other
than the length that they're asking for.

1125
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:01,600
» That's the only thing you have
discretion. There have been a number of

1126
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:05,920
court cases that say that no new
conditions can be attached to a to a

1127
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:12,000
tenative map extension.
>> Thank you. Um I'm also um Rebecca, you

1128
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:16,880
mentioned the February uh 26 planning
commission review of a number of um

1129
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:20,960
alterations
to the program to to the to the to the

1130
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:25,360
entitlements. I know this is not before,
but I'm just hypothetically or I'm just

1131
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:29,840
I'm just throwing out there um if and
when that one and if there are new

1132
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:35,120
alterations um that come before the
planning commissioner or ultimate city

1133
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:38,639
council, they follow the same um
non-discretionary review associated with

1134
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:43,199
multi-unit housing and affordable
housing law as well. Meaning it's it's

1135
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:48,800
it's any alteration to the existing
permits would follow the same

1136
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:53,719
limitations that our original approvals
were to begin with.

1137
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:53,719
» Correct.

1138
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:57,520
» Yes. Yes.
>> Okay.

1139
01:29:56,639 --> 01:30:03,040
» Yeah.
>> And and and finally, uh perhaps um Bruce

1140
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:08,960
or Riley, you could comment on this. I
know you talked about the uh 60-day

1141
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:14,159
notice. Um I wonder if you could confirm
or or describe the tenant um

1142
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:20,639
notification and and um eviction process
and timeline a little bit.

1143
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:25,840
» Sure. Um we've been providing regular
updates to all of our residents as to

1144
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:31,280
the status of the project. Um in
February we did provide a 180day notice

1145
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:36,000
that's required under um the affordable
housing agreement. Um, and we're

1146
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:41,280
prepared to provide the 60-day notice,
but uh, one of the requirements is that

1147
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:45,840
we have the demo permit in hand. So, as
soon as we get the demo permit in hand,

1148
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:51,199
then we would issue the 60-day notices.
And, um, you know, our objective would

1149
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:57,679
be to start demolition in August, uh,
which would allow us to, uh, complete

1150
01:30:53,280 --> 01:31:02,880
the bulkhead this um, uh, summer season.
>> And you've got the same um, water

1151
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:05,520
moratorum. Is it June to October 31st?
>> I think it's October 15th.

1152
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:09,360
» October 15th.
>> October 15th. October 15th is the

1153
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:13,120
» same as ours or is yours April? Because
ours was June, I thought.

1154
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:15,840
» Yeah, it's different waters. It's the
same waters, but it's different

1155
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:20,400
conditions.
>> But ours wasn't April. I guess different

1156
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:24,400
waters. The bay is is June
>> because was it wasn't isn't ours isn't

1157
01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:29,280
ours June. June 1st.
>> Yeah, it's yours. It's October 15th

1158
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:32,639
through April. I believe it's the 15th
or or early April is when there's no

1159
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:38,520
work in water.
>> Got it.

1160
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:38,520
» Okay. Um, thank you. I appreciate that.

1161
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:50,800
» Okay. Uh, Kevin, I'll go to you next.
>> Sure. Uh, thanks. Uh, so one of the

1162
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:56,480
questions was one that Peter asked, so
I'll skip past that. Um, I guess another

1163
01:31:54,080 --> 01:32:00,239
question for our attorney would be, and
these are questions that have come up

1164
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:04,000
through the community. Um, so regardless
of what we're considering tonight, uh,

1165
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:08,400
our job is to represent the community
and provide a voice for them. So, I will

1166
01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:11,840
do that. Uh, can the extension
resolution include language to clarify

1167
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:19,000
that all existing conditions in
resolution 202416 remain in full force?

1168
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,000
Do you think that's necessary or

1169
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:27,280
» um, it's certainly not necessary?
Um

1170
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:32,639
but I mean yeah I I think they I think
you could say that but the I mean that's

1171
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:37,520
they're they're asking for an extension
of the tenative map and the conditions

1172
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:41,840
as they've already been approved.
>> Got it.

1173
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:46,639
» Yeah. Um, and then maybe one last thing
for our attorney is, uh, if we can't add

1174
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:52,639
an extension condition, which you've
been very clear that legally we cannot,

1175
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:58,159
um, uh, do existing demolition, design
review, final map building, etc., public

1176
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:03,840
improvement conditions, um, allow staff
to coordinate or withhold permit

1177
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:10,159
issuance for, um, infrastructure, uh,
bulkhead, etc. I mean can you make

1178
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:13,600
» the staff can only do the coordination
basically that's allowed by the

1179
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:19,199
conditions. So for instance in the
demolition permit requires that the

1180
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:23,760
bulkhead permit be um issued at the same
time that the bulkhead construction go

1181
01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:28,639
along with the demolition permit.
There's not a condition that requires

1182
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:33,520
that the final map and the final map
improvements be built um uh at the same

1183
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:38,719
time as the demolition.
>> Got it. Okay. Thank you. Um then moving

1184
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:43,120
on to staff. A question for staff is uh
and this is different than what the

1185
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:48,960
attorney had stated or implied I think
is I think based on your report 30 of

1186
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:56,000
the 80 conditions are still outstanding.
Is that correct?

1187
01:33:51,760 --> 01:34:04,159
» Yeah. I have uh John Mo is a panelist.
He's tracking those through a

1188
01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:09,360
spreadsheet. So, um I John, can you
answer this one?

1189
01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:14,000
» Um sure, I can answer that. There are um
in my count, there were about half of

1190
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:20,719
the um conditions still remaining for
the for the demo permit, but um several

1191
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:26,800
of them are minor, very minor items. Um
so um it's it's closer probably about

1192
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:30,320
85% of the demo permit items have been
answered or can very easily be answered.

1193
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:37,120
It's just a matter of a complete
application. And so if you had to

1194
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:43,520
estimate so in terms of those last 15%
are those um significant issues are they

1195
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:49,679
minor issues? Are they easy to answer?
They're timely to answer.

1196
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:54,880
um they are integral to the improvement,
some of which relate to the the

1197
01:34:51,760 --> 01:35:00,560
bulkhead. Um some relate to noise
mitigation. Um there's uh permitting

1198
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:04,239
issues. Um it's just a matter of whether
or not they've got their uh paperwork in

1199
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:08,719
order. It's just a matter of if they've
got it submitted.

1200
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:12,000
» Um and there's also geotechnical peer
review that have they have to answer

1201
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:15,600
those questions relating to the
bulkhead.

1202
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:20,400
» And so why don't we what's the mediest
one? Is it the geotechnical um condition

1203
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:23,520
that's outstanding? I I also I thought I
heard that there was something related

1204
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:28,880
to storm water drain.
>> There there is uh timing of drain. There

1205
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:33,199
is a major um public storm drain that
goes through the site. Um it's just the

1206
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:39,840
timing of when that storm drain is
replaced. It must be in place remain in

1207
01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:42,960
place until the new um storm drain that
will route it around the new

1208
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:47,440
construction is installed. So in other
words, we have to maintain drainage

1209
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:53,520
through the site during construction and
and certainly through demo.

1210
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:57,840
» So if 85% of the conditions have already
been met or nearly been met, I think is

1211
01:35:55,360 --> 01:36:03,679
what you said. Correct. So the other 15%
you would say are um things that can be

1212
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:08,480
easily addressed within the next 30 to
60 days or

1213
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:12,480
» I'm just trying to get a sense. It's
there was an implication that it's

1214
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:17,679
basically the city's slow. um and
everything's done and uh based on the

1215
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:20,719
status report that we've seen or what I
understand there's still a number of

1216
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:23,600
issues. It's actually more than what you
had suggested. So maybe the status

1217
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:26,560
report has been updated since the last
time I saw it.

1218
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:29,600
» Um
um to answer the amount of time is

1219
01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:34,159
difficult to say if their plans are
complete. Um you know we typically try

1220
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:39,520
to re uh complete our review within two
weeks and the city in general is within

1221
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:43,920
30 days right all departments.
>> Okay. So again going my question though

1222
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:47,760
is of the remaining like what is your
assessment in terms of how long should

1223
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:52,480
that take to you know if we're meeting
our deadlines and doing things according

1224
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:57,280
to the process what type of time is
required to get this to 100%.

1225
01:36:55,280 --> 01:37:01,040
It depends on the completeness of the of
the submitt honestly.

1226
01:36:58,639 --> 01:37:05,280
» Yeah, it's difficult to say.
>> And your experience and the completeness

1227
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:09,440
of these submitts has been what?
>> Um generally they've been good. They've

1228
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:15,920
been responsive. U they made good
progress. Um it's just hard to say what

1229
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:20,800
that last 15% might take. Um I I just
don't have that before us to to be able

1230
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:26,719
to tell you that question.
So if you're thinking that this 15% is

1231
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:32,000
it's sounding I again I just want to
make sure I'm clear it's it's very

1232
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:36,239
manageable then then why is why would
three years and certainly even two years

1233
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:40,960
be required or needed for this? I mean
it sounds like this could get done in

1234
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:45,600
months not in years.
>> Uh I think for the demo permit that's

1235
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:48,960
correct. There may be some other
outstanding issues that the developer

1236
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:54,800
may be aware of that I'm I'm not aware
of. Um I I don't know.

1237
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:58,719
» Okay.
Yeah. And you were talking about the

1238
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:00,960
tenative map when I asked the questions.
>> Uh 85% or you were talking about the

1239
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,560
demo.
>> I was talking about demo, but both the

1240
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:09,840
the the tenative map, excuse me, the
final map in particular is probably uh

1241
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:12,400
closer to 90% or above. Um they have
there's a couple of easement issues on

1242
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:16,080
the final map.
>> So they're very close. The improvement

1243
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:21,360
plans are very close as well.
>> Got it. So I guess they made they've

1244
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:24,800
made good progress.
>> Okay. Uh

1245
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:31,199
» demolition dependencies.
>> Right. Right. Right right. Uh

1246
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:33,679
yeah, I think that's it for right now,
but I'll have others.

1247
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:38,320
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

1248
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:44,119
» Okay. Jane, do you want to go next?
>> I'll try.

1249
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:44,119
» I'll try. Um,

1250
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:55,199
so let's see.
Um, we we learned about how much is

1251
01:38:52,639 --> 01:39:06,560
left. I I guess I'm just going to jump
into how uh asking the um developer, how

1252
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:10,960
do you anticipate
um demolishing

1253
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:16,719
in August,
which would require you to

1254
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:25,280
um let the tenants or have them be
evicted in June for 60 days. And then

1255
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:32,320
you need the demo permit. But
are are you h are you assuming that the

1256
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:42,000
last 15% which has to do with the
bulkheads noise and geotech from what

1257
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:50,119
we've been told that that can be um
submitted, reviewed and responded to in

1258
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,119
two weeks or three weeks.

1259
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:57,840
effectively correct. Um everything that
um uh John just referred to are things

1260
01:39:55,679 --> 01:40:04,000
that we've that he has seen before or
the staff has seen before. And frankly

1261
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:13,440
um the one new item in April we received
a um uh uh a geotechnical review uh that

1262
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:18,400
was uh completed by staff. So that's
relatively new uh that we're in the

1263
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:24,480
process of responding to. as it relates
to the bulkhead specifically and to the

1264
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:28,960
demolition. Um we think that uh we'll
have a response here this week.

1265
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:35,199
» Okay.
And um I I agree with uh Council Member

1266
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:39,600
Burke that
um

1267
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:44,400
it seems that you were saying that the
city is causing you to be late on

1268
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:49,920
several different reasons throughout
this report, but according to uh our

1269
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:57,040
engineer, he does his best to get back
to you within two weeks. And I've been

1270
01:40:52,800 --> 01:41:03,199
reading the post entitlement section on
uh the California

1271
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:08,639
uh housing website and certainly they
are talking about more like 30 and even

1272
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:15,840
60 days would be considered adequate to
get back to um after reviewing. So I I

1273
01:41:13,679 --> 01:41:19,440
am also assuming that since you've
submitted

1274
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:27,040
I don't know how many three or four
reports four times and a few five times

1275
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:32,480
and one three three times um that I
guess my question is or my assumption

1276
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:36,800
has to be that what you're sending into
the city is not really responding to

1277
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:41,520
what they need and so it has to keep
going back and forth. I don't know, but

1278
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:48,080
I don't really see how this is a city
issue. Uh it sounds to me that it's uh

1279
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:57,280
the developers submissions that are
causing any issue here. Um, and I think

1280
01:41:52,639 --> 01:42:03,199
um, but if you're planning on demoing in
the next two months and the final map is

1281
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:07,520
90%
complete,

1282
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:14,880
uh, again the question is why would you
need three years for this um, tenative

1283
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:19,760
map extension?
>> So let me go back. What I said was

1284
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:23,440
there's a lot of agencies that are
involved with this permitting process

1285
01:42:21,679 --> 01:42:29,360
and there's a lot of coordination that's
required amongst those agencies. We do

1286
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:33,520
get new comments um coming from various
agencies including the departments that

1287
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:37,600
we probably shouldn't be getting under
the new permit streamlining act.

1288
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:44,159
Nevertheless, we are responding to
those. Um, as it relates to the reason

1289
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:50,159
for the MAP extension, the map is
independent of the demo permit. It's

1290
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:55,280
independent or it's uh incumbent upon
the demo permit being issued. It's

1291
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:59,760
incumbent upon easements being removed.
There's a process with various utilities

1292
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:04,639
to get those easements removed and
replaced. And frankly, we don't control

1293
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:11,040
those utilities either. Stuff comes up
all the time. We didn't see last year um

1294
01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:16,080
going into the fourth quarter that the
government was going to shut down and

1295
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:19,760
frankly agency review of various permits
uh did delay our project. So

1296
01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:24,480
consequently there are just things that
are out there and we're not naive to say

1297
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:27,480
yes we control everything.
So

1298
01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:37,280
after you demo, let's say in August,
you're saying that to actually

1299
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:42,560
complete the final map with all the
agency requirements

1300
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:44,320
would take up to three years. could I
mean

1301
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:50,320
» okay
>> part of this is frankly one of the next

1302
01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:56,000
steps is to get um PG& to vacate their
existing easements and then to place new

1303
01:43:53,760 --> 01:44:00,239
easements on the site and working with
PG& right now is that the most

1304
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:08,840
streamlined uh organization
>> yes we've heard that

1305
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:08,840
um okay so let's see what else do I have

1306
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:12,199
Um,

1307
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:17,920
» can I jump in with a question while
you're reviewing the others just to

1308
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:25,440
because we're on this topic.
>> Um, if for whatever reason you um

1309
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:30,480
you don't get the demo permit until
September, October, and that runs you up

1310
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:34,719
against a wall in terms of uh the work
that you can do on the bulkhead.

1311
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:38,159
» Um, that presumably therefore pushes
work out into potentially beginning next

1312
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:41,679
April.
>> Affirmative. So the question there is

1313
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:47,280
would you therefore delay the eviction
notices as well or is your intention to

1314
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:50,960
issue the uh eviction notices as soon as
you get the demo permit and I was

1315
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:56,880
wondering from a legal perspective also
whether there's any constraints on that

1316
01:44:54,159 --> 01:45:00,880
meaning does is can there be how long
can the gap be between when they issue

1317
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:04,480
the eviction notice and when they start
to demo if there's a legal constraint

1318
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:14,159
and I'd love to understand from Bruce
what your intention is. Our intention is

1319
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:17,119
um to issue the eviction notices when we
get the demo permit.

1320
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:20,239
» So even if you can't demo for another
six months because of the bulkheads,

1321
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:22,639
» we haven't contemplated that scenario
necessarily.

1322
01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:26,000
» But in that scenario, is there a reason
why you'd want to lose that income

1323
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:29,760
because you have other other conditions
that you

1324
01:45:26,639 --> 01:45:32,800
» just so that you can deal with um or you
don't have to deal with it at some

1325
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:35,440
future time.
>> Okay. So you can't really provide us

1326
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:37,600
with any clarity on that. You're just
saying it will depend on the

1327
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:40,080
circumstances at the time.
>> Affirmative.

1328
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:43,920
» Okay. Thank you. Sorry, Jane. Back to
you.

1329
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:53,679
» Okay. Um I noticed on one of your slides
that there was a mention of um when you

1330
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:59,600
drew that picture and it said demo um
evict um bring that up.

1331
01:45:56,080 --> 01:46:07,840
» Demo permit evict and then actual demo.
And then after that it said additional

1332
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:13,119
geotech after demo. I just wondered
what kind of geotech is that that would

1333
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:17,600
be different from the geotech that's
required

1334
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:20,400
in the demo permit.
>> See

1335
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:23,440
» it was all the little arrows,
>> right? The chevron.

1336
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:26,880
» The chevron.
>> Chevron. Thank you.

1337
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:30,800
» Here we are.
>> Yeah, this one.

1338
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:36,320
» Yeah. So in row two it said additional
geotech exploration

1339
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:40,960
» right. So we did uh the initial phase of
geotech work was specifically for the

1340
01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:46,639
bulkhead. Uh the bulkhead is not a
structural element. It's primarily there

1341
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:51,520
to prevent erosion. Uh the geotechnical
work that we're going to be doing on the

1342
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:57,520
go forward um is for the foundation
design of the buildings themselves. And

1343
01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:03,360
so that can be only we can only get a
rig in there once we remove some of the

1344
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:08,960
homes uh that are on the property.
>> Okay. So it's for foundation work.

1345
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:13,400
» Foundation work for the homes that are
along the lagoon. That is correct.

1346
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:17,520
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Sure.

1347
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:26,199
Um,
so, um,

1348
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:26,199
Andrew, everybody else is busy.

1349
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:36,480
» That's okay. I didn't want to start um
interfering with your conversation.

1350
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:41,760
Um, I unfortunately have tried to
memorize all these things, but um, I

1351
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:47,040
haven't quite mastered it entirely, and
I realize I left my important piece of

1352
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:56,880
paper at home. So, I need your help. And
that is um listed on the um demo permit.

1353
01:47:54,000 --> 01:48:04,000
I think it's number 17
was Geotech

1354
01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:11,119
um as I recall. And so what what were
the um listed were there any listed

1355
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:16,000
components of what that geotech was
covering? It says that the uh engineer

1356
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:20,800
shall provide a letter stating that the
pro proposed structural construction of

1357
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:26,880
the structures
and uh storm water drainage is in

1358
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:31,679
compliance with the geotech report.
probably I would think this refers to

1359
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:36,560
the bulkhead which is you know
associated with the demo permit and

1360
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:40,320
» and you're talking about wait you said
structures and wait

1361
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:43,360
» it and proposed site storm water
drainage

1362
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:47,119
» before that one sorry
>> um

1363
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:50,560
the geotechnical do you want me to read
you the condition again

1364
01:48:48,719 --> 01:48:55,840
» uh the geotechnical engineer shall
provide a letter stating that the

1365
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:59,440
proposed structural construction of the
structures

1366
01:48:57,119 --> 01:49:02,320
which are somewhat unspecified
>> and the proposed drainage is in

1367
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:09,360
compliance.
>> So we have no way I mean how would

1368
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:15,520
anyone make the determination that the
use of the word structures only refers

1369
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:20,960
to the bulkhead and not to buildings
since buildings are structures

1370
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:26,639
that are going to be there.
And so my question is if they're not

1371
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:32,000
doing geotech
for the buildings during the demo

1372
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:38,239
permit, which is what's listed there in
the condition, um I guess I have a

1373
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:44,719
concern that we're not doing this
properly or that it should be done that

1374
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:50,639
the foundation and structures that are
going to go on the property that's

1375
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:56,480
quite a bit of water borders this
property not it's not landlocked and so

1376
01:49:54,320 --> 01:50:02,400
there are a lot of differences
potentially in weight and size of

1377
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:11,679
structure etc and how it's going to work
and all that is geotech and I question

1378
01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:17,840
why why you think it's only bulkhead
>> well the I mean they have submitted I

1379
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:22,719
you know probably John Mosha it would
might be better to Sure.

1380
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:28,639
» Describe, but they have des they did
submit a geotechn sorry a geotech report

1381
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:34,080
for the original approval which had
fairly um which had a lot of borings. Uh

1382
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:39,440
talked about the bay mud and the kind of
treatment they would need to do um in

1383
01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:44,400
order to safely brought up in the peer
review also and that they need to still

1384
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:51,199
respond to. So all that was all that was
done I these are the uh detailed

1385
01:50:48,639 --> 01:50:53,840
foundation designs for each structure
>> right

1386
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:56,159
» and for that they probably need a vacant
site

1387
01:50:54,800 --> 01:51:00,400
» because their ability to
>> we don't know that

1388
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:02,960
» yeah this is where this is where John Mo
should Yeah exactly

1389
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:08,719
» should
>> he might have an idea to

1390
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:12,080
» Sure sure be happy to chime in um it
would be for both the bulkhead and the

1391
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:15,280
structure it's the foundation for the
residences themselves.

1392
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:19,360
» That's what I would assume. Thank you.
Um,

1393
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:23,119
» so that is required in the demo permit
>> noted in number 17.

1394
01:51:20,719 --> 01:51:28,560
» Well, no, no. Um, that was No, no, that
was they were noting that they needed

1395
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:33,840
access for additional geotechnical work
to assess the uh

1396
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:37,760
» geotechnical uh conditions for the
residential the homes, the structures of

1397
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:43,119
the homes, their foundations, but they
needed access to get to those locations

1398
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:43,119
on site.

1399
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:52,800
So, you're saying they need to demo to
be able to determine the ground

1400
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:55,119
underneath. Is that it?
>> Yeah, I believe that's what Bruce just

1401
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:57,040
explained.
>> Oh, okay.

1402
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,080
» That I I
>> Okay,

1403
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:04,080
» that's what I understood him to say.
>> Okay.

1404
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:07,199
And you agree with that? that they need
to be.

1405
01:52:04,719 --> 01:52:12,000
» That sounds correct in that uh those
that location is unique uh relative to

1406
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:16,119
the water and they I don't believe they
do have access to that location.

1407
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:21,920
» You don't believe they have access to
their own rental property?

1408
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:24,320
» Well, for a drill rig to drill into this
>> Oh, a drill rig. Yeah. Okay.

1409
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:30,400
» Correct.
>> Okay. I don't know what a drill rig is.

1410
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:34,719
Okay. Thank you. Thanks.
>> Okay.

1411
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:38,159
Can I are you I'm sorry. I just wanted
to jump in with one one related

1412
01:52:36,719 --> 01:52:44,239
question. Um
>> Barbara on the on the post entitlement

1413
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:49,040
uh permit provisions and laws that Riley
mentioned and we've been talking about a

1414
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:53,599
little bit. Uh
are those applicable to all permits or

1415
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:56,639
only permits that were in place that are
subsequently in place? because it you

1416
01:52:55,360 --> 01:53:03,440
know these these entitlements were made
of 24. Are subsequent um post-p permit

1417
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:10,560
um streamlining provisions applicable to
a May 24 entitlement?

1418
01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:14,880
» Um by post entitlement permits they're
meaning all the permits that they

1419
01:53:12,639 --> 01:53:18,800
required after after you.
>> So it is applicable to the current

1420
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:24,800
» based on those application dates.
>> Yes. the building permits the this uh

1421
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:29,119
the statute went into effect I think
either certainly in 2025 and perhaps in

1422
01:53:28,159 --> 01:53:34,480
2024.
>> So those are pegged to those particular

1423
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:39,119
post entitlement permits not the
entitlement itself.

1424
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:46,159
» Correct. Correct. They're they're it's
the demolition permit. Um the final map

1425
01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:49,040
has separate uh separate timelines. Um
the building permits.

1426
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:52,239
» Wonderful. Thank you.
>> Yeah.

1427
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,440
» Let's move down to you, Pat. If you've
got questions,

1428
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:59,119
» I didn't save the best for last.
>> No, no, not yet.

1429
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:04,080
» Oh, not yet.
Um so

1430
01:54:01,599 --> 01:54:12,560
um
since we're talking about extending

1431
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:16,239
based on the um final map requirements,
um

1432
01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:20,880
we're also waiting for certain
conditions of approval for that to go

1433
01:54:18,719 --> 01:54:27,040
forward, but it sounds like we're close.
although I don't know what things are

1434
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:33,800
outstanding so it's hard to judge um how
much time might be necessary for them.

1435
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,800
Um

1436
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:42,520
so
uh do you does are you still there John?

1437
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:53,360
» John yes I am. Okay. Sorry. Um, uh, do
you feel like I was trying to review

1438
01:54:49,440 --> 01:55:02,080
some of the information on the website
and I saw that a sense technical

1439
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:10,480
report review had been submitted in 22
and 23 and then resubmitted and then

1440
01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:16,639
revised? Or do you feel that um from
what you're saying with the 90% that

1441
01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:21,920
most of these submissions and reviews
are have been completed?

1442
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:25,280
» I couldn't tell if there was a a final
version that was totally complete or

1443
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:31,920
not.
>> Well, um yeah, their final map final map

1444
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:37,520
is well along uh um in the review
process. Almost all items are complete.

1445
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:43,280
One of the big items is the uh P Gen
easement as uh Bruce has noted.

1446
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:48,400
» Um and um
>> the other element of that is the

1447
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:51,040
improvement plans. So it's it's a
package of both final map and

1448
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:55,679
improvement plans along with the
subdivision improvement agreement goes

1449
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:59,920
to council for approval and all of those
elements. So it's not just the final

1450
01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:04,880
map, but they're integrated or it's it
involves both uh final map and

1451
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:09,599
improvement plans. So um so it's
>> and then are there sorry sorry

1452
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:14,719
» so it's not just one you know it's not
just one element even though the final

1453
01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:18,080
map is well along uh the review process
um

1454
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:22,560
» it's uh there are there are more items
that need to be completed. So

1455
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:29,119
» okay and then are there I understand
that you're an authority on this are

1456
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:35,520
there um separate subdivision map act uh
requirements as well? Um they've all of

1457
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:41,280
this governed by the subdivision map
act. The final map is and they've met

1458
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:45,920
all of those requirements and one of the
requirements is to identify the needed

1459
01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:51,360
easements and uh that's one of the final
steps.

1460
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:58,400
» Okay. Okay. Thanks. And um I did have a
question based on I I think it was um

1461
01:56:55,440 --> 01:57:02,639
council member Mark's question about the
adjustments

1462
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:06,719
from the February 20 uh February 2nd,
2026

1463
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:11,520
planning commission meeting. There were
some adjustments. I think it was lots 1

1464
01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:18,320
and 12.
Um, it it seemed to me that our

1465
01:57:14,639 --> 01:57:25,599
municipal code Oh, and
and I think if I recall correctly, that

1466
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:32,400
some of the footprints of those two
buildings did change. Is that correct?

1467
01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:37,920
Or was it just merely an exchange of a
per of um

1468
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:42,719
of numbers of apartments?
But I thought the footprint changed. I

1469
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:45,679
remember seeing something about more
open space in between or something like

1470
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:49,679
that.
>> The footprint of the apartment building

1471
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:54,080
did not change. There was one forplex
and one triplex. The forplex became a

1472
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:56,639
triplex and I believe there's a little
bit more space in between the two.

1473
01:57:56,159 --> 01:58:00,880
» Okay.
>> Those two structures.

1474
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:10,040
» And I was just wondering, I know it
seems minor, but I would like to ask uh

1475
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:10,040
that our municipal code 18.24 24.060

1476
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:18,080
uh states that what was approved in the
tenative map must not have changed, but

1477
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:25,119
you're just saying there was a change.
And I wondered if that needed to be

1478
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:29,400
amended or if that needed any any review
or discussion or

1479
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:36,800
and if that was part of the need to
extend out is that

1480
01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:38,960
» it was approved by the planning
commission.

1481
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:40,800
» Correct. But the tenative map is
approved by us.

1482
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:45,760
» Yeah,
>> it's a good question.

1483
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:47,840
» Okay.
>> So,

1484
01:58:46,159 --> 01:58:51,360
» we'll dig into that one. Okay. You keep
going.

1485
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:54,320
» Okay. Um,
>> it's a clean

1486
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:59,360
answer.
>> Okay. I think I think it's your turn,

1487
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:02,960
» Pat.
No change.

1488
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:09,760
» All right. I'll try and be somewhat
organized here with all my questions.

1489
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:14,480
Um, have they responded to the um third
city response back to the applicant?

1490
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:16,960
Have we received their response yet?
>> No.

1491
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:19,960
» Okay.
Um

1492
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:31,040
the same question on the tenative map if
it needed to be adjusted at this point.

1493
01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:39,560
Um
and then um just um well that's more of

1494
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:39,560
a comment than a question. Um

1495
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:56,440
So, I think that's what I have for
staff. Um, the rest of my questions are

1496
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:56,440
for the applicant.

1497
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,719
So, um,

1498
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:10,239
Hi, how are you? Good. Uh, so you've
made a comment and I just want to make

1499
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:13,239
sure I understood it. Um, it had to do
around

1500
02:00:15,679 --> 02:00:21,520
Sorry, please go ahead. I just want
>> It's distracting. Um, it has to do

1501
02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:24,400
around um P Gen.
>> Yes.

1502
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:29,760
» And you said that something about a
conditional basis for the utilities.

1503
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:34,159
Um
that

1504
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:38,639
I guess in the demo and that you had to
wait for the final map.

1505
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:45,119
» Yes. To clarify, uh a final map cannot
be approved on a conditional basis. So,

1506
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:51,440
you can't look at at the easements and
say we'll approve it with the easements

1507
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:56,639
as is, but um conditional conditional
recording. Am I saying conditionally

1508
02:00:54,800 --> 02:01:00,000
record it once the easements have been
replaced?

1509
02:00:57,280 --> 02:01:04,719
» Okay. And so, um, that brings up the
question, um, regarding your, um,

1510
02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:12,400
easement
agreement with PG&

1511
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:17,280
» So, does that when when you ask them for
an easement, does that require like an

1512
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:22,159
application with a permit number with P
Gen or is it like a different

1513
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:25,599
» So, you actually have a permit number?
>> We

1514
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:30,000
Yeah,
come on up.

1515
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:34,159
Yeah, we've been communicating with PG
through our joint trench consultant

1516
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:37,280
Jackaloney Design. Um, we have a project
manager and have gone through their

1517
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:44,159
going through their process.
>> And does the city have a

1518
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:47,599
» um the city? U
final design from PG&

1519
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:50,639
forthcoming.
>> Okay.

1520
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:52,880
» The permit number is very important.
I've learned.

1521
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:58,480
» Yes. Yes.
>> Dealing with PG. So that's a good thing.

1522
02:01:56,239 --> 02:02:04,960
Um,
so the other question has to go back to

1523
02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:08,639
your your little display and it was um
where you had the uh clockwise.

1524
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:13,119
» Yes.
>> On the sequencing and you're starting

1525
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:19,119
with the apartment building, then you're
going to those condos in lot number

1526
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:25,440
three, two and three. Um and and you
show the sequence as it goes around and

1527
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:30,239
all the way back to lot number 12. So,
the question is, is that the single

1528
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:33,840
family homes?
>> Mhm.

1529
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:37,440
» Um, you're going to be selling the lots.
I mean, you've been very honest about

1530
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:40,960
that from day one.
>> Oh, okay.

1531
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:44,719
» Okay. Right. Am I correct?
>> Well, we're selling homes.

1532
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:46,960
» So, you're going to be building the
homes.

1533
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:50,800
» That is our current thinking. That is
correct. So that's different from when

1534
02:02:48,639 --> 02:02:52,880
you came before us in planning that you
were going to sell the lots and let the

1535
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:58,320
people
>> build their homes. It I think we may be

1536
02:02:56,159 --> 02:03:02,400
getting a little bit into the semantics
of it of when we close relative to

1537
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:05,440
construction, but our objective is to
try and build this all in one fell

1538
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:13,599
swoop.
>> Okay. Even if you don't sell the lots.

1539
02:03:09,599 --> 02:03:16,800
» Well, I guess our current sense is that
we're going to sell all the lots as

1540
02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:21,560
well.
Okay. All right. Um

1541
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:35,119
so, um another question was um well that
has to do um with the demo that um

1542
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:43,199
why originally you didn't sequence it
with just the demo and the um bulkhead

1543
02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:47,280
but rather you also did the um
infrastructure. So it was just a

1544
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:52,159
question why it took to this point to
realize that you should have separated

1545
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:56,880
out that process
>> because we weren't well

1546
02:03:54,719 --> 02:04:01,960
I don't know John if you want to respond
to that.

1547
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:01,960
Oh,

1548
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:11,080
» that that's up to the developers
discretion to decide what their sequence

1549
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:11,080
might be

1550
02:04:11,199 --> 02:04:16,800
» relative to the demo and the improvement
plans. They were included together for

1551
02:04:15,599 --> 02:04:22,880
» they worked together. Correct.
>> And it was recently where uh staff

1552
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:28,639
requested that we separate it.
>> Staff requested you separate it.

1553
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:32,960
» Affirmative. So, but you chose in what
my question, sorry if I wasn't clear.

1554
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:38,000
You who told you to do the demo and the
improvement together.

1555
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:39,760
» We've submitted the demo and improvement
plans together,

1556
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:45,280
» right?
>> And uh they've been processed together,

1557
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:51,840
albeit with separate permits have been
filed for each and uh recently we have

1558
02:04:48,639 --> 02:04:56,080
been requested and it's fine request to
pull out the demo plans. So, we are

1559
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:58,800
doing so. Okay, Rebecca, can you confirm
if that's correct?

1560
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:01,840
» Yeah, I don't remember that's how I
remember being in a meeting with John

1561
02:05:00,159 --> 02:05:05,760
and Brian and you guys asked if we could
separate them out and Brian said yes,

1562
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:11,520
they could be separated.
>> That was the suggestion in order to

1563
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:15,599
process the demo plans separately.
>> But what's what's changed? I guess the

1564
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:19,520
question is what's changed to in your
thinking that requires those two to

1565
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:24,880
separate? Is it the PG& issue or what is
the reason to separate the two? uh just

1566
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:28,920
in order to get the demo permit prior to
the improvement plan permit.

1567
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:33,239
» Okay.

1568
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:40,119
» Pat, do you have more questions? Um

1569
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:50,480
no, most of my questions um
uh oh let well let me ask this question

1570
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:58,440
of John Mo. Thank you very much. So um
it is my understanding that the both the

1571
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:58,440
geotech and the hydraology

1572
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:12,400
reports from the applicant and the peer
review reports

1573
02:06:05,679 --> 02:06:20,080
um have the have to the peer review um
has to approve of what the geotech and

1574
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:24,800
the hydraology report finally is um that
they both have to agree on what that is

1575
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:30,599
before anything is going to be approved
for the geotech or the hydraology.

1576
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:35,760
» Is that correct?
>> Yeah, that that's correct. There's a

1577
02:06:33,119 --> 02:06:40,880
peer review for both the hydrarology and
hydraulics and for the geotechnical

1578
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:46,800
review and they have some comments um
regarding those reviews to you know

1579
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:51,719
better summarize the conditions of the
site. Okay. Okay.

1580
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:59,360
All right. I think that's
those are my questions. Everything else

1581
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:05,280
has been asked. Thank you.
>> I'll follow

1582
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:09,520
» Bruce and company on the uh the the
separation of the infrastructure from

1583
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:13,599
the from the demo permit. Um I I know
that this doesn't necessarily mean a

1584
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:18,239
whole lot necessarily for the extension,
but just from an understanding

1585
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:22,719
perspective, uh you seem to indicate and
it makes perfect sense that that you

1586
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:26,480
need to have um um abandoned easements
and then convert it to to final new

1587
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:29,119
easements for the various services with
PG& let alone other service providers.

1588
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:34,560
» Correct.
>> Um in order to fill out the the full

1589
02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:40,079
requirements for the final map. That
seems to be how you presented it, which

1590
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:42,719
seems to be a dependency, not just an
option to split split the two apart,

1591
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:46,320
» right?
>> So maybe it's semantics or splitting

1592
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:49,679
hairs, but I don't think, you know, you
saying the city requested it, why would

1593
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:56,400
the city request it if in fact it's a
dependency that just seems a little odd

1594
02:07:51,440 --> 02:08:02,560
and squirly. Um well
again um the these plans have gone

1595
02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:08,960
through a process and it's just a
mechanics sort of thing. But then to say

1596
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:13,520
that there isn't a demo permit on file
or a demo plan on file. The city has

1597
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:18,079
already reviewed the demo plans. They're
fine. We're going to separate them and

1598
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:23,119
then we'll resubmit those independently
with some of the other elements or some

1599
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:29,280
of the other uh responses that have been
asked for such as the Herzog uh peer

1600
02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:34,400
review letter response to that as it
relates to the bulkheads.

1601
02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:38,880
» Okay. Can I follow follow up to the same
just so Bruce doesn't have to keep

1602
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:42,480
jumping back up is so I think maybe just
to put it out there I think one of the

1603
02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:46,079
concerns from the community is that you
demo and then it just sits there for

1604
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:50,079
ever
>> uh it's just a big black hole um before

1605
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:54,639
you when and if you do the
infrastructure and so I guess maybe I

1606
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:59,440
mean there's there's not a condition
that we can apply to obviously extending

1607
02:08:56,719 --> 02:09:05,360
the tenative map deadline but can you
just talk about your thinking or how you

1608
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:10,400
you envision this happening. Um that
gives the community some reassurance or

1609
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:13,920
some peace of mind to know how this is
all going to play out.

1610
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:18,159
» Sure. Um
our objective is to get it done as

1611
02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:24,239
quickly as possible. As I previously
stated, uh this is a 150 million to $200

1612
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:30,480
million project once it's fully built.
and consequently between my partners,

1613
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:35,520
lenders and just you know general
economics

1614
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:39,719
um this isn't going to sit follow
provided we can get this going

1615
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:48,880
» so I had another question
>> no

1616
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:51,760
» just somewhat related and again this is
going beyond the scope necessarily of

1617
02:09:50,719 --> 02:09:54,079
why we're here today but I'm just
curious

1618
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:57,599
» because everybody's concerned about
whether you actually develop this whole

1619
02:09:56,239 --> 02:10:02,560
project. Can you give some background on
where you are on the financing?

1620
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:05,599
» Meaning um is the bulkhead and
demolition one separate part of the

1621
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:09,440
financing, the infrastructure the second
and and where are you on that? Um and

1622
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:11,360
what contingencies and so forth are
associated with that that you can share

1623
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:16,800
with us?
>> Sure. Um no, actually uh we are working

1624
02:10:14,639 --> 02:10:21,440
with a lender right now that uh is
financing all of the infrastructure as

1625
02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:27,520
well as all the vertical improvements.
of a single source and um uh we hope to

1626
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:32,079
make an announcement about that in the
next several weeks.

1627
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:35,360
» Okay, that's clear. Thank you. And then
in terms of the demo, you've already got

1628
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:38,480
that funded and ready to go.
>> The demo is also part of that package.

1629
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:42,079
» That's part of the package. Okay, thank
you. That was one of my questions.

1630
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:47,520
» Okay.
>> Okay. So, the next last question I think

1631
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:49,679
I have is you're going to be demoing.
>> Okay. You're going to be demoing

1632
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:54,159
» affirmative.
>> Yeah. Yeah. and get your permit. And

1633
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:57,440
what exactly are you going to be
demoing? Are you gonna be taking out all

1634
02:10:55,760 --> 02:11:00,480
the infrastructure, you know, the stuff
in the road? Are you taking the road

1635
02:10:58,719 --> 02:11:04,480
out? Are you just taking the vertical
housing down or what? What what what

1636
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:11,760
what exactly are you demoing?
What we're demoing is the residences so

1637
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:16,480
that we can get um as mentioned the
boring rig to do the geotechnical and

1638
02:11:14,079 --> 02:11:24,639
also get access to the bulkhead to
replace the um uh or access to the

1639
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:30,079
lagoon so we can replace the bulkhead.
>> Okay. So you're not going to rip up the

1640
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:35,119
road right now? Not to some degree we'd
like to use the road and keep dust down

1641
02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:39,599
um to the extent possible but eventually
the roads being replaced the

1642
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:46,320
configuration of Malard road changes.
>> So um so this you know all the fun stuff

1643
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:48,719
underneath the road is going to stay
there till you get ready to demo the

1644
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:51,840
road
>> effectively.

1645
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:56,000
» Effectively you'll cap off all the
utilities cap it off and some may be

1646
02:11:54,800 --> 02:12:03,760
abandoned in place.
>> Yeah. Okay, then that brings me to a

1647
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:07,119
question on the demo that they have 75
days to demo, which if you're just doing

1648
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:14,560
the vertical, you're going to get that
done way in advance. But do they then

1649
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:19,360
need to is is the
demoing deconstructing of the road and

1650
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:25,040
the infrastructure under the road, is
that considered part of demo? And you

1651
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:30,560
know, would they then need to ask for an
extension because you have 75 days and

1652
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:38,239
maybe you need 90 days to get to the,
you know, whatever 120 days or would

1653
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:44,199
that be part of the um improvement
the infrastructure improvement permit

1654
02:12:41,199 --> 02:12:44,199
thing.

1655
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:53,040
U Brian Vanson is on the call.
>> I think he can answer that better than

1656
02:12:50,639 --> 02:12:53,040
me.

1657
02:12:56,079 --> 02:12:59,520
Hello everyone. How are we? How are we
tonight?

1658
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:04,560
» Good.
>> Fantastic. Um,

1659
02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:10,880
» in terms of the the timing of the
demolition, we would have to review some

1660
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:16,480
of the statutes. Um, it sounds like the
application or the new application that

1661
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:21,520
will be submitted by the applicant um
would be just for the vertical elements

1662
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:25,280
at that point. Um, and so whatever
listed whatever is listed on the

1663
02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:30,560
application as a scope of work would be
what the permit would be valid for.

1664
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:35,199
» So they're going to be submitting for a
new application for demo just for and so

1665
02:13:33,599 --> 02:13:38,560
that it's not including everything like
it did before. And he's they're going to

1666
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:44,800
do you he's going to they're going to
submit a new demo application.

1667
02:13:42,079 --> 02:13:47,199
Is that correct?
>> According to the applicant, that is what

1668
02:13:46,159 --> 02:13:51,840
I understand. Yes.
>> Is that correct, Mr. Dorfman? We are

1669
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:56,079
submitting a separate demo application.
>> Okay. Thank you. And does that

1670
02:13:53,520 --> 02:14:01,440
» and I do want to clarify. So everything
that's included in the demo application

1671
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:07,040
is what's going to be demoed in 75 days
that uh we are allowed. So to the extent

1672
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:11,920
that it specifically shows foundations
or roadway improvements being removed,

1673
02:14:09,599 --> 02:14:16,560
then that's the scope of what we will be
doing during that period of time.

1674
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:23,199
» Okay. All right. And then does the new
application

1675
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:26,480
require another um application fee?
>> Yes.

1676
02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:29,480
» Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Sure.

1677
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:38,719
» No, no, you ahead, Jane. Go ahead. Um
I'm about the um new application.

1678
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:42,960
I'm not I'm not sure. I thought I heard
you say you were submitting two new

1679
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:48,400
applications because this is one
application. So would you be submitting

1680
02:14:45,199 --> 02:14:50,159
a demo application and a infrastructure
application?

1681
02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:54,079
» Improvement application.
>> I mean improvement application

1682
02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:58,079
» effectively I mean we're in the process
of new iterations of documents but

1683
02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:06,400
effectively we're going to remove the
demo um the demo pages from the uh

1684
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:12,480
current set of plans issue those and
then issue the improvement plans.

1685
02:15:08,800 --> 02:15:17,520
» Okay. And then do you anticipate that
they will be identical applications to

1686
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:20,639
what is written there except they'll
just be on two separate or will they

1687
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:26,320
change?
>> No, they are effectively the same but

1688
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:31,079
updated uh responding to the last set of
comments.

1689
02:15:28,079 --> 02:15:31,079
» Okay.

1690
02:15:31,679 --> 02:15:38,880
» But the conditions don't change. I guess
that's what I'm asking. the conditions

1691
02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:44,480
that the planning commission that
nothing

1692
02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:47,360
nothing along that would change. Okay.
>> Okay. I don't have questions because so

1693
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:50,239
many have been asked, but I just wanted
to ask staff before we go to public

1694
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:54,639
comment. Is there anything extra that
you want to add uh from legal or from

1695
02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:58,480
Rebecca that we've sort of skated over
at all?

1696
02:15:57,599 --> 02:16:03,920
» Not at this point.
>> Okay. So, um I'm going to open it for um

1697
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:09,679
public comment. Um anybody's free to
speak for 3 minutes. Um, please come

1698
02:16:07,679 --> 02:16:12,320
when you come to the podium if you
wouldn't mind identifying yourself and

1699
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:15,360
where you live. You don't have an
obligation to do that, but if you're

1700
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:20,239
willing to do that, that certainly helps
us. Um, we won't be addressing any

1701
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:23,599
questions that might get asked during
public comment. Um, it will come back to

1702
02:16:22,079 --> 02:16:28,400
the council afterwards and they may
decide to uh to ask questions that have

1703
02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:32,559
been brought up through public comment
and that's at the discretion of the um

1704
02:16:30,560 --> 02:16:38,000
of the city council. Again, I would just
remind everybody that the item that is

1705
02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:42,639
here tonight is a discussion of uh what
level of extension we want to give to

1706
02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:48,399
the tentative um map, but you are
welcome to comment on malad point

1707
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:54,240
related uh uh comments, but this is what
we're here tonight to deliberate on. So,

1708
02:16:50,399 --> 02:16:57,599
I'll invite the first person up to
>> um Thank you very much. My name is Susan

1709
02:16:56,240 --> 02:17:02,000
Kluff and everybody always says go
first, so I'm going to go first here. Uh

1710
02:16:59,679 --> 02:17:06,000
Peninsula Road. I'll be brief. I'll try.
I know many of you and I know how hard

1711
02:17:03,679 --> 02:17:08,639
this job is. I you're volunteers and
you're handling a lot of competing

1712
02:17:07,439 --> 02:17:11,439
pressures and you're trying to write.
So, I appreciate the time and I wanted

1713
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:15,760
to thank you right off the bat for that
because this is a very complicated

1714
02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:20,559
project. On paper and certainly in the
noticing, tonight's item looked routine,

1715
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:25,040
just more time for the applicant to meet
project conditions of approval. But I

1716
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:28,719
don't think it's routine because what we
understand now is the applicant plans to

1717
02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:32,160
try and decouple the parts of the
project starting with the demolition

1718
02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:36,479
while holding on to the entitlements
through a patchwork of agreements and

1719
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:41,280
bonds and deferring the real hard work.
Geotech and soil structural design,

1720
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:46,880
grading, cut and fill plans and a final
survey maybe even until later. That's

1721
02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:52,240
not just a few technical details. That's
what determines feasibility, public

1722
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:57,679
safety, and community impacts. This
large subdivision project was approved

1723
02:17:54,319 --> 02:18:03,840
as one integrated hole. It should stay
as one integrated hole. So if you grant

1724
02:18:01,599 --> 02:18:10,240
an extension, please keep it tightly
aligned with the other expirations that

1725
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:15,599
this map depends on. Push it out only to
the March 2027 when the design review

1726
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:19,840
and demolition approvals run out and
then if needed look at everything al

1727
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:26,080
together again.
Second, I think it's important that you

1728
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:31,040
know really know where there's a where
this project stands. There is no written

1729
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:36,880
status report. There is no written
compliance. This is the same map. And I

1730
02:18:34,479 --> 02:18:40,960
think that's really important. What
permits are complete and ready for

1731
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:45,359
review of you review and approval.
What's still pending? Which agencies

1732
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:49,599
have signed off? Have any of those
expired? Have any of those got

1733
02:18:47,519 --> 02:18:54,479
conditions that might affect this
suggestion that came through and what

1734
02:18:51,760 --> 02:19:00,319
remains outstanding, particularly storm
water, drainage, bulkheads, floodplane

1735
02:18:57,439 --> 02:19:04,240
compliance, and core site improvements.
Right now, it's genuinely hard for

1736
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:10,080
residents and probably city council as
well to understand where things stand.

1737
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:16,319
Third, please state clearly that any
proposal to defer, phase, resequence key

1738
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:20,559
components of this project must return
to the planning commission or city

1739
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:25,599
council for discretionary review in a
noticed public hearing, a well-noticed

1740
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:30,319
public hearing. If project plans or
timing or conditions change in a real

1741
02:19:27,519 --> 02:19:34,000
way, which it kind of sounds like it was
what's that's what's been talking about

1742
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:39,439
tonight, it should come back to be
discussed and decided in public.

1743
02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:43,280
Lastly, the applicant has already had
two years to complete their

1744
02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:47,280
applications. So, please ask them what
the critical path is to the final map

1745
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:51,840
and improvement plans and what the
applicant is committing to accomplish

1746
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:55,600
during the period they're asking for. If
current tenants there are being

1747
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:59,600
displaced this summer, but there's no
clear timeline or certainty the full

1748
02:19:57,680 --> 02:20:05,840
project will be built as approved. That
just feels wrong to me. Thank you.

1749
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:10,120
» Thank you, Susan. Would anybody else
like to make public comment in the room?

1750
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:23,120
» Good evening. Uh David Kenneth Smith at
7 Leeward Road. I thank the city council

1751
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:27,760
and the city engineer for their careful
review of the proposed Malard Point

1752
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:32,240
development plan. I speak tonight only
as a Leeward road neighbor to Malard

1753
02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:36,880
Point with considerable time spent
reviewing the geotechnical aspects of

1754
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:42,080
the soil water interface as well as the
sites winter storm water drainage.

1755
02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:45,359
I currently hold a license from the
state of California Department of

1756
02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:50,720
Consumer Affairs as a registered
professional geologist number 5689.

1757
02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:56,399
Tonight we are deliberating about the
timing and sequencing of the project. In

1758
02:20:54,000 --> 02:21:01,439
this context, I applaud the city for
taking the vital steps of contracting

1759
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:06,319
for expert independent third-party peer
review of what continues to be the most

1760
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:12,640
delicate and technical aspects of the
project. The performance of the geology

1761
02:21:08,960 --> 02:21:16,640
beneath the Malard Point site as a
foundation for the vertical

1762
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:21,520
infrastructure as well as the flow of
peak winter storm water drainage from

1763
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:27,040
Belvadier Island to discharge in the
Belvadier Lagoon. The contracted peer

1764
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:32,000
reviews are objective and provide a
comprehensive evaluation of engineering

1765
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:37,280
reports supporting the project
application. They also frame criteria

1766
02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:41,840
for the project to go forward with full
confidence. There are many technical

1767
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:46,000
issues here that are the the domain of
engineers, geologists, and construction

1768
02:21:44,479 --> 02:21:51,120
specialists.
However, I will focus on one topic that

1769
02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:56,560
is easy to understand and conceptualize
particularly in the project of timing

1770
02:21:54,399 --> 02:22:00,319
and sequence and that is storm water
drainage.

1771
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:04,960
The lagoon functions as the downstream
boundary condition for the entire mallet

1772
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:12,280
point drainage system. In the absence of
an implemented drainage infrastructure

1773
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:12,280
plan, demolition of existing

1774
02:22:13,359 --> 02:22:21,280
structures would alter site conditions
in ways that could materially affect

1775
02:22:18,399 --> 02:22:26,479
runoff behavior. Specifically, changes
in the timing, volume, and peak flow of

1776
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:32,720
storm water could discharge directly
into the lagoon in an unexpected ways

1777
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:38,080
without adequate engineering controls to
moderate or attenuate flow. Demolition

1778
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:43,200
activities could also expose soils and
disturb existing surfaces, increasing

1779
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:47,760
the likelihood of sediment transport.
Temporary or disrupted drainage pathways

1780
02:22:45,439 --> 02:22:51,920
may further alter hydraulic conveyance
to the lagoon. In addition, fine

1781
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:56,640
sediments and residual materials from
structural demolition could be mobilized

1782
02:22:54,240 --> 02:23:01,359
during storm events, contributing to
turbidity, localized sediment deposition

1783
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:06,640
near lagoon margins or outfalls, and
potential impacts to adjacent bulkhead

1784
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:10,399
structures.
Importantly, the peer review also

1785
02:23:08,319 --> 02:23:15,359
highlights that system performance under
a mandated 100-year maximum of storm

1786
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:20,000
event has not yet been adequately
evaluated.

1787
02:23:17,439 --> 02:23:25,359
If demolition proceeds immediately after
the site is vacated in August 2026

1788
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:29,439
and by agency requirement, further
construction work must be suspended

1789
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:33,840
before the next winter rains commence.
Drainage analysis does not appear to

1790
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:38,319
provide defensible mitigation strategies
for these conditions should demolition

1791
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:42,640
and construction phases not be sequenced
properly. I urge the city and its

1792
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:47,200
engineering staff to proceed in a
sequenced and deliberative manner to

1793
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:53,120
answer questions posed by their own
third-party experts which raise issues

1794
02:23:50,240 --> 02:23:56,000
essential to the success of the project.
Thank you.

1795
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:59,880
» Thank you, David. Is there any other
public comment in the room?

1796
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:04,680
Ken, come on up.

1797
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:17,200
Good evening, Ken Johnson. Um,
uh, we've worked with the BLPA is I'm

1798
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:22,319
president of the BLPOA. We've worked
with Bruce and Jay and, um, our

1799
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:28,880
subcommittee of the board of directors
and I think we're gaining a lot of

1800
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:33,680
traction. Um, but I think that we're in
a position here and I have no

1801
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:41,760
recommendation regarding the time for an
extension. I think it should be given.

1802
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:49,680
Um the time is is really um you know in
my opinion personally um um a little bit

1803
02:24:46,319 --> 02:24:55,520
of a um side issue. Um I think it should
be given but I think we have to look at

1804
02:24:52,160 --> 02:25:00,560
the consequences of the demolition. Uh
and perhaps this is in the city

1805
02:24:57,200 --> 02:25:05,840
engineers bivwok but we've got two peer
reviews uh one in February of this year,

1806
02:25:03,439 --> 02:25:13,600
the other one in April of this year. Uh
the BPA has um written its own

1807
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:20,000
evaluation in April of this year. Um and
um here we are tonight. Um you know we

1808
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:25,520
don't have any documentation or response
to those peer reviews. And what worries

1809
02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:32,319
me from a practical standpoint, and it's
not Bruce's fault that um the economic

1810
02:25:29,359 --> 02:25:40,319
situation has changed so much, uh thank
you Riley. Um the uh

1811
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:44,240
city nor um Bruce have been responsible
the city nor Bruce have been responsible

1812
02:25:42,399 --> 02:25:52,160
for the economic situation of our
country. Um the issue we have here and

1813
02:25:48,160 --> 02:25:58,000
my worry is simply um we go forward
without accounting for the potential of

1814
02:25:55,840 --> 02:26:05,280
uh having a demolition
um and just empty dirt um without a

1815
02:26:02,319 --> 02:26:09,760
mitigation um
as to what would happen when the storm

1816
02:26:07,200 --> 02:26:15,200
comes up this winter.
Um, and we all know there's an October

1817
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:21,760
15th date set by the state of California
that the bulkhead must be completed. No,

1818
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:29,200
I'm sorry. They have until October 15th
to do work on the bulkhead. There is no

1819
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:35,359
um, in my understanding of that permit
requirement that they complete it. um we

1820
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:40,479
could end up with a situation if people
are forced into it. We have demolition

1821
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:46,720
and we have no bulkhead.
Um those are the worries that uh concern

1822
02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:53,600
the BLPA. We're continuing to work with
Bruce and his team. Um but somehow in

1823
02:26:50,640 --> 02:27:00,640
this mixture of things uh it's just kind
of human nature uh we need deadlines to

1824
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:06,800
uh get things done. But so far the
deadlines in terms of responses are not

1825
02:27:03,200 --> 02:27:13,120
complete. Um I'm sure they'll be done
soon, but then what happens if those

1826
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:20,080
responses have an issue? What happens if
the city um engineer finds them not

1827
02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:26,160
completely 100%.
Um so those are the concerns that we

1828
02:27:23,439 --> 02:27:32,479
have and we asked for the city's help in
helping resolve them. Thank you.

1829
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:36,120
Thank you, Ken. Is there anybody else?
Jill coming up.

1830
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:48,640
» Uh Jill Barnett, 50 Peninsula Road.
Okay. So, I agree with all the other

1831
02:27:45,600 --> 02:27:55,040
comments from the residents and just to
add to it, the Malard project was

1832
02:27:51,359 --> 02:27:59,600
approved as one whole project. All
approvals and expiration dates must

1833
02:27:57,280 --> 02:28:06,640
align so that the project moves forward
as one project just as it was approved.

1834
02:28:04,160 --> 02:28:10,800
So if you grant an extension, because
that's what I understand we were

1835
02:28:08,479 --> 02:28:16,560
supposed to be discussing tonight, not
demolition permits, etc. If you do grant

1836
02:28:14,399 --> 02:28:21,760
an extension, make it a 9-month
extension so that the project lines up

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with the other approvals, design review,
and demolition expirations. Then you can

1838
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:31,280
look at everything together. I believe
that that would be the most organized

1839
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:36,800
and clear direction to take. And
speaking of being organized, uh you must

1840
02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:42,560
I feel you must require a written status
report of items that are pending in

1841
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:49,120
process where they are in the process.
Have they started? Are they almost

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02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:54,479
finished? I asked this same question the
last time I spoke to the council. It was

1843
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:59,760
a request to have a swim lane diagram,
which is common in construction

1844
02:28:56,160 --> 02:29:04,080
projects. So, I think that should be uh
made available.

1845
02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:08,560
And the city's latest incompleteness
letters and peerreview comments show

1846
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:14,399
that the developer is still far from
providing a complete permit approval

1847
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:20,479
ready package, especially on the key
technical items like geotechnical and

1848
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:27,920
drainage and storm water.
So anyhow, that's my comments. Thanks.

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» Thank you. Any other comments in the
room? Yes. Come on up, Andy.

1850
02:29:34,080 --> 02:29:41,920
Andrew Barnett, 50 Peninsula Road. Um,
I'm a surgeon and we frequently go into

1851
02:29:39,439 --> 02:29:47,520
the operating room
um, planning to remove or to change

1852
02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:53,760
things. And we always go in with an A,
B, and a C plan. What'll happen if the

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02:29:50,399 --> 02:29:57,920
best happens? What we'll do if it's more
difficult, and what we're going to do if

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02:29:55,840 --> 02:30:06,479
it's a disaster.
And I think that SP 330 is designed to

1855
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:13,120
make sure that there's no net loss.
There's no reason that we can't expect

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02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:19,120
rather than decoupling these two things,
the demo and and the replacement that

1857
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:24,000
the developer provide an AB and C plan
and how they're going to respond based

1858
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:28,720
on what the geotechnical
studies show after the demolition is

1859
02:30:26,720 --> 02:30:34,080
concerned. What are they going to do if
it's B or C? Are they going to be

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02:30:32,080 --> 02:30:38,000
equipped or able to do their
construction? So, I think it's

1861
02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:45,359
reasonable for to expect that they
provide multiple scenarios and how

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02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:49,280
they're going to satisfy the no net loss
requirement of SP330

1863
02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:55,439
to replace those things. And that
includes financing as a major part of it

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02:30:52,560 --> 02:31:02,160
because you can build almost anything if
you can get the financing. And we don't

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02:30:57,840 --> 02:31:09,920
know that this developer can. So I I
request that the uh council consider

1866
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:16,080
requiring that the developer provide
comprehensive solutions to the various

1867
02:31:13,520 --> 02:31:22,479
potential responses
to the geotechnical

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02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:26,560
studies that were will be done after the
demolition

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02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:29,560
but prior to issuing the demolition
permit.

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02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:38,960
Thank you. Any other comments in the
room?

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02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:42,319
Okay, seeing none, we're going to go to
public comment online. Beth, can you

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02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:48,120
invite the p first person in?
>> Yes, Mayor Wilkinson, we have uh Delhi

1873
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:48,120
Woodring.

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02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:52,280
Deli, you should be able to speak.

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02:31:53,439 --> 02:32:02,800
Hi everybody. Uh Deli Woodring. I live
on Peninsula Road. Following up on what

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02:31:58,880 --> 02:32:08,640
Andrew Barnett just said, um should
financing for the whole project be

1877
02:32:05,359 --> 02:32:14,319
approved, what guarantee do we have that
funding will be available after

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demolition if there should be some
geotechnical problem that involves

1879
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:25,760
completing the project. I think this is
really a loophole that needs to be

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02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:30,840
tightened before anything is even
thought of being started. Thank you.

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02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:36,439
» Apologies. We have Ruben Gelvin.

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02:32:38,479 --> 02:32:44,800
» Ruben, welcome.
>> Hi. Uh, good evening, mayor, council

1883
02:32:42,880 --> 02:32:48,399
members, staff, members of the
community. My name is Ruben Galvan. I'm

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02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:53,720
a field representative of the North
Coast State's Carpers Union Locosa 51

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02:32:53,760 --> 02:33:02,240
» which covers Ring County.
As we discuss development and growth in

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02:32:59,359 --> 02:33:07,760
Velvir, we know housing is needed, but
it's important the new projects don't

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02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:12,960
just add units. We must also set
standards to protect the workers who

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02:33:09,359 --> 02:33:18,000
build them. That's why I'm here asking,
will there be strong labor standards on

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02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:18,000
this project?

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02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:24,720
When I say labor standards, strong labor
standards, I mean contractors that pay

1891
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:28,800
fair wages, that support working
families, access to health care, so

1892
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:33,200
workers don't have to choose between
going to work or taking their kids to

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02:33:30,479 --> 02:33:37,920
the doctor.
Giving real opportunities to apprentices

1894
02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:42,960
from state accredited programs who want
to the apprentices who want to learn a

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02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:46,720
trade and build a career and meaningful
labor compliance.

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02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:51,200
real enforcement to make sure
contractors follow labor laws, pay

1897
02:33:49,359 --> 02:33:56,160
workers properly, and provide safe
working conditions. These protections

1898
02:33:53,840 --> 02:34:01,520
don't just help workers, they also help
the community as a whole. When workers

1899
02:33:58,880 --> 02:34:05,600
earn fair wages and get health care,
they can better support their families

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02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:09,840
and contribute to our local economy.
Apprenticeships train the next

1901
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:13,600
generation of skilled workers who will
keep our city growing strong for years

1902
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:17,840
to come.
On the other hand, when labor standards

1903
02:34:15,359 --> 02:34:24,160
are ignored, we leave the door wide open
to irresponsible contractors.

1904
02:34:20,880 --> 02:34:30,560
The kind who pay low wages and offer no
benefits, mclassify workers to avoid

1905
02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:36,640
paying those benefits, and even uh worst
cases wage theft. These bad actors don't

1906
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:41,680
just hurt or workers, they hurt the
community by lowering the quality of

1907
02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:46,240
work and putting safety at risk. Velier
deserves projects built by responsible

1908
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:50,960
developers and contractors who will
treat our working families with respect

1909
02:34:48,080 --> 02:34:55,280
and dignity. I urge the council to
encourage strong labor standards on this

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02:34:52,720 --> 02:35:00,399
project to make sure the development
benefits everyone, not just the

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02:34:56,960 --> 02:35:03,280
developer. Thank you for your time.
>> Ruben, thank you for your comment. Beth,

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02:35:02,160 --> 02:35:08,920
is there anybody else?
>> Yes, we have Jim Hornthal. Evening Jim.

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02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:14,000
Hi, can you hear me? Okay,
>> we can hear you.

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02:35:12,399 --> 02:35:17,520
» Perfect. Perfect. I'm going to be very
brief. I think that, you know, this is

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02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:21,359
by my count almost six years since this
project began and rather than getting

1916
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:27,760
into issues of microeconomics or
macroeconomics, I think the city needs a

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02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:31,600
developer who's solvent. I think that
working on financing six years into it,

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02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:36,640
I don't know why the council wouldn't
just require this financing being in

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02:35:34,240 --> 02:35:42,800
place before any demolition's done. The
risks seem too high. And I'm also very

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02:35:40,399 --> 02:35:50,479
disturbed by the way the developer said
tonight that the that the staff asked

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02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:55,280
for the permits to be split when it's my
understanding that quite the opposite.

1922
02:35:52,479 --> 02:35:58,640
The staff was reluctantly willing to
allow it because they thought they

1923
02:35:56,560 --> 02:36:03,359
didn't have a choice and that it came
from the developer. And a sense of

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02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:07,680
honesty would be really nice and
transparency I think is essential and

1925
02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:11,680
six years into a project to not have the
financing in place is not the city's

1926
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:15,680
problem. The laws in Sacramento do not
guarantee developer profitability. We do

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02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:20,240
need more housing. We do need more
low-income housing. And how we get there

1928
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:24,720
is the question of if we get there. So,
I'm troubled by that depositioning and

1929
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:29,520
disinformation statement that's
fundamental to the trust that the city

1930
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:33,920
and the residents are looking to have
with a developer who's got such a big

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02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:38,399
responsibility to improve the area.
That's all.

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02:36:36,800 --> 02:36:40,399
» Thank you.
>> Anybody else?

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02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:44,800
» Mayor Wilkinson, there are no other
hands raised.

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02:36:41,359 --> 02:36:48,240
» Okay. We will bring this back to um the
city council um essentially for

1935
02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:52,000
deliberation, but I do have a few
follow-up questions if that's okay from

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02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:56,080
things that have been uh mentioned by
through public comment and others might

1937
02:36:53,680 --> 02:37:02,720
also have questions as well. I'm going
to start.

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02:36:57,920 --> 02:37:09,760
Um the first is obviously we've heard um
concerns about um potentially some

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02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:15,040
demolition happening the bulkheads being
partially done before we we go into the

1940
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:19,600
the winter season and the and the issues
associated with that. I wonder if our

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02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:23,040
building official or John can comment
about the sequencing of that and who

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02:37:21,280 --> 02:37:26,600
makes those determinations to make sure
that it is safe.

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02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:36,000
Rebecca, is that a Brian question or is
that a John question?

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02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:41,439
» Well, let me read the condition of
approval or just summarize it quickly um

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02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:46,319
to refresh Brian's memory. Um and then I
think he can comment on it. Um so it

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02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:49,600
says the demolition permit shall be the
demo permit application shall be

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02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:54,080
accompanied by a permit application to
replace the lagoon bulkheads along the

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02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:57,840
entire length of each property adjacent
to the lagoon. Bulkhead shall be

1949
02:37:55,920 --> 02:38:01,920
replaced as soon as reasonably possible
in conjunction with demolition of the

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02:38:00,479 --> 02:38:06,000
existing buildings based on
recommendations from the city building

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02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:12,240
official and city engineer.
So Brian, would you like to um comment

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02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:18,319
on that condition
in terms of the time frame and

1953
02:38:15,359 --> 02:38:25,200
when that will happen?
Uh yeah. So again, as as per the

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02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:30,160
developer statement, um it's going to be
far easier to install the bulkhead

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02:38:28,479 --> 02:38:35,120
um
once the structures are removed due to

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02:38:32,800 --> 02:38:39,600
the length of the bulkhead that the uh
that is intended to be replaced.

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02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:46,560
Um
in terms of the timing,

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02:38:42,800 --> 02:38:50,240
we could have both permits issued. Um
however it would be up to the the

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02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:57,399
applicant or the developer at the time
to install the bulkhead on in a timely

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02:38:53,359 --> 02:38:57,399
manner. Um

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02:38:57,439 --> 02:39:02,439
per per the conditions um

1962
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:10,080
we we could not limit issuing the
permits. Um, however, we would be able

1963
02:39:07,439 --> 02:39:15,760
to follow up with the developer um and
make sure the installation of a bulkhead

1964
02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:19,600
is is timely with um the demolition
work.

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02:39:17,280 --> 02:39:22,560
If that answers your question, mayor,
>> I guess it's just there's no condition

1966
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:28,520
in which during the winter season we're
going to leave a half removed, half

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02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:28,520
built bulkhead.

1968
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:34,960
» Yeah. I mean, the building off Go ahead,
Rebecca. Go ahead. I'm sorry. the

1969
02:39:32,720 --> 02:39:40,960
building official and the city engineer
will work on the sequencing of issuing

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02:39:38,399 --> 02:39:47,439
the demolition permit and the bulkhead
replacement only when it is permitted

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02:39:45,680 --> 02:39:50,000
which is
>> so are you

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02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:54,399
» not between October and April.
>> So you're saying you wouldn't issue a

1973
02:39:51,439 --> 02:39:56,960
demo permit in in October or November
because they can't do the bulkhead till

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02:39:56,000 --> 02:40:00,640
April.
>> I don't know.

1975
02:39:58,399 --> 02:40:04,720
» I'm not saying that. That's something
the engineer and the building official

1976
02:40:02,479 --> 02:40:09,600
need to
>> Okay. So the other thing is is that

1977
02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:15,680
there's also a condition 23 that
addresses I think the same subject about

1978
02:40:13,359 --> 02:40:21,600
if the bulk if the demo is done and the
bulkhead is not complete or isn't

1979
02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:30,160
started that I think condition of
approval number 23 addresses that. And

1980
02:40:24,399 --> 02:40:35,359
so that brings the question of um
having a robust site protection and

1981
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:42,399
mitigation uh
for that in place in case it's not done.

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02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:48,160
So,
could Brian or John Mo address that item

1983
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:56,160
number uh condition of approval number
23 that would give

1984
02:40:53,439 --> 02:41:03,600
» the sweat plan and the replan?
Uh it's it's well no it's not it's a um

1985
02:41:00,800 --> 02:41:08,000
» if it disturbs more than an acre number
23 it's not the storm it's

1986
02:41:06,560 --> 02:41:12,399
» right the plan if it disturbs more than
an acre then it's required to have

1987
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:16,319
staging and scheduling component um
indicating when facilities must be

1988
02:41:14,240 --> 02:41:20,720
installed and when they may removed a
separate rain event action plan shall be

1989
02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:24,800
required and prepared as part of the
sweat plan the storm water pollution

1990
02:41:22,319 --> 02:41:31,040
prevention plan
>> yeah So that will be also be required as

1991
02:41:27,760 --> 02:41:35,680
part of the demolition. And would that
would that um

1992
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:41,200
» John Mo we have here um the expert um
would would you put in place would that

1993
02:41:38,800 --> 02:41:49,439
properly address
any issue and who if it doesn't who's

1994
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:54,640
responsible in case there is a uh
incident in the water that will bring in

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02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:58,800
the um agencies
>> right there's a it's a storm water

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02:41:56,720 --> 02:42:02,720
pollution pre prevention plan and that's
required ired before the uh

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02:42:00,800 --> 02:42:07,359
» before the permit would be issued. So
they'd have to have that in place and

1998
02:42:04,399 --> 02:42:12,319
they would uh um submit that to the
state water board which issues the

1999
02:42:09,680 --> 02:42:16,960
permit for that that SWIP reviews that
and there's

2000
02:42:14,479 --> 02:42:23,359
um a process for the submitting of that.
Um and they as along with that they have

2001
02:42:20,240 --> 02:42:27,439
to monitor um the rainfall events and
monitor uh storm water discharge on

2002
02:42:26,080 --> 02:42:30,399
site. Um,
>> and that that's included in condition of

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02:42:29,359 --> 02:42:34,800
approval 23.
>> That correct?

2004
02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:40,240
» So, does that storm water um prevention
plan carry all the way through while

2005
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:43,359
it's still a muddy lot before anything
gets added in? Meaning, if if for some

2006
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:48,240
reason the developer decides to sit on
an empty lot, does that plan still apply

2007
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:51,040
and they still have to follow those
conditions?

2008
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:55,520
» That is correct. Yes. And it it and it
can change. It can change as the site

2009
02:42:52,720 --> 02:43:00,720
conditions change as they phase their
work. um that plan is to be updated uh

2010
02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:04,960
to meet the site conditions as they
progress through the project.

2011
02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:11,840
Okay, that's
>> and are there protections there that um

2012
02:43:09,120 --> 02:43:18,960
you know taking a worstc case scenario
that you know things don't get build for

2013
02:43:15,600 --> 02:43:26,800
three four years and you know then the
developer needs to do a new kind of uh

2014
02:43:21,760 --> 02:43:30,960
improvement because of the situation and
they choose not to do it. What what are

2015
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:36,000
the resources the city has to make sure
that whatever is required um will be

2016
02:43:33,760 --> 02:43:40,240
done?
>> I um are we talking about just the demo?

2017
02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:44,800
Are we talking about improvement plans
there? No, we're talking we're talking

2018
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:49,359
about um if we have a dirt lot
>> or a partial dirt lot, you know, part of

2019
02:43:46,880 --> 02:43:55,680
it gets built and then part of it not.
Um you know, worst case scenario and

2020
02:43:51,920 --> 02:44:00,399
we're left with a dirt pile and over the
years the conditions change and this and

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02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:03,760
that and you go to the developer and of
course he wouldn't do that. Um but you

2022
02:44:02,319 --> 02:44:08,399
go to the developer and you say, "Okay,
now you need to do XYZ." And he goes,

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02:44:05,840 --> 02:44:13,680
"I'm not paying XYZ. I'm not doing it."
What what protections do the city does

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02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:16,960
the city have to make sure that that is
always protected?

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02:44:15,120 --> 02:44:24,720
» Yeah, they they they have to stabilize
the site um and um in whatever condition

2026
02:44:21,439 --> 02:44:29,040
it's in. Um so whether it be for a month
or two months, what whatever it is, 3

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02:44:26,720 --> 02:44:34,640
months or more, that site's required to
be stabilized. And so um no, um muddy

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02:44:32,960 --> 02:44:39,600
water runs off the site. They have to
have best management practices in place,

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02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:45,040
that sort of thing. But beyond that uh
you know fines for you know clean water

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02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:50,720
from the you know uh monitoring by the
state um that's the limit I think of the

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02:44:48,080 --> 02:44:54,960
SWIP um there's no other teeth in that
to say oh you must develop further

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02:44:52,880 --> 02:44:59,200
regarding that particular condition and
that that storm water pollution

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02:44:57,040 --> 02:45:07,439
prevention plan
>> and if the B bla is forced with

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02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:10,319
additional costs for um cleanup the uh I
yeah I believe there's

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02:45:08,319 --> 02:45:13,120
» property owner is responsible.
>> I I correct.

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02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:16,880
» Thank you.
>> Um I had one additional just a

2037
02:45:15,520 --> 02:45:21,600
confirmation. So obviously there's been
lots of requests around us somehow

2038
02:45:19,600 --> 02:45:25,439
imposing some financing conditions or
financing certainty and just to stress

2039
02:45:23,600 --> 02:45:30,960
again and confirm with legal we have no
ability to attach any additional

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02:45:27,120 --> 02:45:34,640
conditions to the extension of this
permit.

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02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:37,840
Barbara Andrew,
>> I apologize.

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02:45:36,880 --> 02:45:39,120
» Do you need me to ask the question
again?

2043
02:45:38,479 --> 02:45:44,399
» Question.
>> Sure. The question was um there's been

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02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:48,560
requests for us to attach certainty
around financing and financing

2045
02:45:45,920 --> 02:45:53,840
conditions to confirm again. We have no
legal authority to apply any any

2046
02:45:51,359 --> 02:45:56,560
conditions to this extension.
>> No.

2047
02:45:54,880 --> 02:46:01,200
» And at no point in the future will we
have any ability to attach new

2048
02:45:58,399 --> 02:46:04,960
conditions to this project.
>> That's correct. unless the applicant,

2049
02:46:03,439 --> 02:46:08,160
you know, requests changes in the
conditions already adopted.

2050
02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:11,520
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. I will go to Peter next in terms

2051
02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:14,800
of any follow-up questions you might
have.

2052
02:46:12,080 --> 02:46:22,319
» Uh I'm not sure where I come out on this
from a from a from a correlating various

2053
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:27,359
uh ex um extensions and uh expiration
dates of various entitlements. But

2054
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:31,840
Rebecca, do you know what the demo
expiration date is as it was extended?

2055
02:46:30,319 --> 02:46:34,800
and the and the design I don't think
demo was extended. Design review was

2056
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:39,680
extended recently. Do you know what
those were?

2057
02:46:35,279 --> 02:46:45,520
» I do. The um design review will expire
on March 19th, 2027

2058
02:46:43,120 --> 02:46:50,240
unless the city has issued both a demo
permit for all required demolition and a

2059
02:46:47,760 --> 02:46:53,640
permit for all subdivision improvements
>> and a demo.

2060
02:46:53,760 --> 02:47:00,560
» Well, the demo the design review is
contingent on the demo. If the city has

2061
02:46:57,920 --> 02:47:06,080
issued the demo permit,
all of these entitlements are contingent

2062
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:08,960
on us issuing the demo.
>> But does demo expire itself?

2063
02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:12,279
» I don't know if there's an expiration
for the demoired

2064
02:47:14,080 --> 02:47:21,840
appear to be an expiration date for the
demo permit. Um the condition on the

2065
02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:27,279
demo permit is that the demo has to be
completed within 75 days after after

2066
02:47:25,520 --> 02:47:31,920
it's issued. Yeah.
>> Okay. Um and then the design review if

2067
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:37,760
the demo had been had not been issued by
then it it expires on March of 2027.

2068
02:47:35,200 --> 02:47:41,840
» Both the demo and effectively the final
map because the public improvements go

2069
02:47:40,399 --> 02:47:43,439
along with the final map.
>> Got it.

2070
02:47:42,720 --> 02:47:48,960
» Yeah.
>> And uh and the final map was is the May

2071
02:47:45,279 --> 02:47:52,640
of 26. I understand that. Um, and John,
uh, there's been a lot of questions and

2072
02:47:50,720 --> 02:47:57,520
and and I think the, uh, storm water
pollution prevention plan you talk about

2073
02:47:54,560 --> 02:48:01,120
goes a long way towards this, but
it's my understanding and my experience

2074
02:47:59,279 --> 02:48:05,840
that
all the technical requirements,

2075
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:11,760
geotechnical, storm water, and so forth
for the demolition plan are handled for

2076
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:15,760
the demolition permit. And likewise the
infrastructure improvement requirements

2077
02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:20,960
are handled in the in the review and and
subsequent issuance of that permit and

2078
02:48:19,040 --> 02:48:27,840
subsequent building permits. One of many
perhaps the infrastructure um sorry the

2079
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:32,399
uh uh uh geotechnical storm water and
any other structural requirements are

2080
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:35,200
resident in that review as well. only
mention that because I want I'm I'm

2081
02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:38,560
curious,
you know, the the discussion about the

2082
02:48:37,279 --> 02:48:43,359
whole project being being being being
being being uh uh reviewed in its

2083
02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:49,120
entirety.
I don't know that that can really be the

2084
02:48:45,520 --> 02:48:53,920
case because without this a a a
segmented approach to some degree. Um, I

2085
02:48:52,800 --> 02:48:57,760
mean certainly you could have a
demolition permit that's complete and

2086
02:48:55,439 --> 02:49:00,640
final and put it on a shelf and then do
your infrastructure review and analysis

2087
02:48:59,439 --> 02:49:05,840
assuming you can get access with your
rig to to do those various various um um

2088
02:49:03,760 --> 02:49:08,640
investigations and do the subsequent
review and analysis associated with the

2089
02:49:07,439 --> 02:49:12,640
building permits. But it would seem
logical to do it in a stepped fashion.

2090
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:17,479
And I'm just want to confirm whether
whether that's true or whether you think

2091
02:49:17,680 --> 02:49:22,720
we have some some resident assertions
that it should be held all together as

2092
02:49:21,439 --> 02:49:25,840
one and the applicant is saying that
they can't do that physically not only

2093
02:49:24,319 --> 02:49:29,200
with the requirements of their easements
but that's not not the practical way to

2094
02:49:27,520 --> 02:49:34,399
do it. I just wanted your comments on
that please. Yeah, I I don't think this

2095
02:49:31,840 --> 02:49:41,600
is unusual in that uh many times people
or developers rather come forward with u

2096
02:49:37,920 --> 02:49:47,600
demo permits prior to um to improvement
plans um and final maps being complete.

2097
02:49:44,720 --> 02:49:52,000
Um a lot of times it's timing. They also
want to um potentially get rough grading

2098
02:49:49,520 --> 02:49:58,800
done. Um this is unique site next to the
lagoon. Um but it it's not unusual for

2099
02:49:56,880 --> 02:50:02,640
uh applicants to come in with rough
grading and demo permits in this

2100
02:50:00,640 --> 02:50:08,800
fashion.
>> And do you have any uh with the the um

2101
02:50:06,960 --> 02:50:12,240
the various um prevention plans which
are state regulated and fines associated

2102
02:50:10,800 --> 02:50:16,160
with lack of lack of upkeep and
maintenance with those whether it's

2103
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:22,720
three months or three years. Uh do you
have any concerns about our city's

2104
02:50:18,720 --> 02:50:29,760
ability or your ability uh with your um
uh support to to adequately review the

2105
02:50:27,439 --> 02:50:32,880
geotechnical and um structure
requirements of the subsequent

2106
02:50:31,120 --> 02:50:39,120
infrastructure plans and building permit
plans beyond the demolition?

2107
02:50:35,439 --> 02:50:43,520
Uh yeah, we we've reviewed almost all of
the improvement plans to date and we did

2108
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:48,080
get assistance for um the geotechnical
peer review and the hydraology and

2109
02:50:45,840 --> 02:50:53,520
hydraulic peer review for the drain uh
for the drainage system. Um

2110
02:50:51,439 --> 02:50:59,920
structural review is is separate as
well. So, um um

2111
02:50:57,600 --> 02:51:04,319
yes, we're we we feel like we have the
resources that we are needed that are

2112
02:51:01,760 --> 02:51:08,720
needed rather uh for the imp improvement
plan review. If there if there's if

2113
02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:14,240
we're not then, um you know, we would
certainly u seek outside help for that.

2114
02:51:11,840 --> 02:51:20,319
But but I think we do uh we've got that
those u those consultants in place to

2115
02:51:17,840 --> 02:51:23,560
provide that support.
>> Thank you.

2116
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:33,120
Um so I have a question on um actually
two. So

2117
02:51:31,520 --> 02:51:38,960
they submitted a letter for the
extension which allowed an automatic

2118
02:51:36,479 --> 02:51:45,200
60-day administratively
approved extension which brings us to

2119
02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:49,760
this evening. So when we give the
extension whatever the amount of time is

2120
02:51:47,439 --> 02:51:56,319
we give
does it include that 60 days or is it

2121
02:51:53,840 --> 02:52:02,880
from like today?
>> It's from the uh it's from the date of

2122
02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:05,840
expir that it would otherwise that it
would have otherwise expired.

2123
02:52:05,040 --> 02:52:11,040
» Okay. Yeah.
>> And then I had a follow-up question

2124
02:52:07,760 --> 02:52:16,240
because you made a comment and said that
uh regarding that we can't put any new

2125
02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:23,200
conditions on any of the conditions of
approval for anything that all of that

2126
02:52:18,640 --> 02:52:28,800
is set in stone right now.
As long as the applicant doesn't ask for

2127
02:52:26,399 --> 02:52:35,120
a revision. If the applicant asks for a
revision on a condition, then the door

2128
02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:41,920
would be open for us to add more
conditions.

2129
02:52:36,960 --> 02:52:47,040
» I think let's see. I did say that. Um
>> yeah, you did say that.

2130
02:52:44,640 --> 02:52:52,080
» Gotcha.
>> I mean, I think you would need to um I

2131
02:52:50,240 --> 02:52:56,880
think they would need to be related to
what the applicant was requesting the

2132
02:52:54,560 --> 02:53:00,960
additional conditions. So whatever the
condition was, it would kind of have to

2133
02:52:58,399 --> 02:53:05,040
be related to that. Yes. And not to
something over here in left field.

2134
02:53:02,399 --> 02:53:08,479
» Something over here or you suddenly say
uh the building has to be moved or you

2135
02:53:06,960 --> 02:53:11,200
know something like that that has no
relationship.

2136
02:53:09,200 --> 02:53:14,479
» But it does request. It does give a
crack in the door.

2137
02:53:12,160 --> 02:53:18,479
» It's a small crack in the door. Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you. Those were my followup

2138
02:53:16,560 --> 02:53:21,479
questions. Anybody else have follow-up
questions?

2139
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:30,880
I was wondering um I know there was a
question about the agency letters and if

2140
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:37,040
they had all been submitted if they were
reviewed and if they were still valid

2141
02:53:34,399 --> 02:53:46,240
given the number of years that uh they
may have um been already submitted to

2142
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:53,120
the city. who who reviews those agency
letters and determines whether they need

2143
02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:58,279
to be resubmitted or redone.
>> Brian and John review those letters.

2144
02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:01,720
Um,

2145
02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:11,439
I think my other questions,
um,

2146
02:54:07,840 --> 02:54:18,800
I mean, John, I guess I think I know how
you're going to answer this, but, um, it

2147
02:54:14,560 --> 02:54:25,120
is nerve-wracking to to, uh, one of the
questions I asked Mr. Dorfman was even

2148
02:54:22,240 --> 02:54:34,080
after demo and the requesting of the
three years um more time that he agreed

2149
02:54:31,439 --> 02:54:42,640
that it could take a while uh to get
what is necessary for the final map um

2150
02:54:38,960 --> 02:54:52,640
and things could sit there for a while
empty. Um is it your belief that

2151
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:57,920
when um the geotech can be done the
second parts of the geotech after the

2152
02:54:56,319 --> 02:55:06,000
demolishing
um is it your belief that

2153
02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:12,640
these type of structures can actually be
built in this location without so that I

2154
02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:19,279
think the fear is from many people in
the community. The demolish will occur

2155
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:26,399
and then they'll do the geoteex study to
see if the land actually could support

2156
02:55:23,600 --> 02:55:31,359
um what's being uh proposed there or
what was in the application and do you

2157
02:55:29,279 --> 02:55:37,920
have any
um concerns along those lines or can

2158
02:55:34,960 --> 02:55:41,920
anything be built anywhere?
Uh, no, no. I think that's why we need

2159
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:46,000
the geotechnical evaluation to
determine, you know, um, what that

2160
02:55:44,800 --> 02:55:52,720
foundation
>> Yeah. But they're demolishing first. So

2161
02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:55,920
then if it turns out that, oh, oops,
these things can't be built here, then

2162
02:55:54,479 --> 02:55:59,200
what happens?
>> Well, I think it's the the type of

2163
02:55:57,439 --> 02:56:01,200
foundation that we're talking about.
>> Okay.

2164
02:55:59,840 --> 02:56:04,680
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Thanks.

2165
02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:13,920
» Okay. If all questions have been asked
and answered, I'm going to see if a

2166
02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:20,000
council member wants to uh open the
discussion around the actual extension

2167
02:56:16,880 --> 02:56:24,000
of the map. Kevin, would you like to go
first?

2168
02:56:21,359 --> 02:56:26,960
» Sure. Okay. So, there's two issues and
the one that we're here to answer or

2169
02:56:25,760 --> 02:56:31,439
address is the timing, which
unfortunately I'm going to make you wait

2170
02:56:28,080 --> 02:56:36,240
till the second half of my conversation.
Um, for fear that you'll tune out on the

2171
02:56:33,279 --> 02:56:39,760
first part. Um, no seriously is I think
that um all of the context that we're

2172
02:56:38,240 --> 02:56:47,600
talking about and the concerns that have
been raised by um the community like

2173
02:56:42,479 --> 02:56:52,319
Susan, David, Ken, Jill, Andy, Deli, um
Jim, Jimh, uh the folks who had sent in

2174
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:56,479
letters uh are really valid. We had a
meeting uh a week ago where um some of

2175
02:56:55,120 --> 02:57:00,640
those individuals and other community
members also voiced their concerns. And

2176
02:56:58,319 --> 02:57:06,240
so while this may not be a popular
opinion um among some people, I do feel

2177
02:57:03,760 --> 02:57:11,520
like many of the concerns or a number of
the concerns are things that we the city

2178
02:57:08,720 --> 02:57:15,680
we the city council as a governing body
can do a better job at communicating. I

2179
02:57:14,000 --> 02:57:20,319
think that this the community has sort
of raised the bar in terms of what they

2180
02:57:18,000 --> 02:57:23,439
want to hear about this project, how
informed they want to be about this

2181
02:57:21,680 --> 02:57:27,279
project, the things that they are most
concerned about this project. And I

2182
02:57:25,359 --> 02:57:32,560
think we have to find a way of upping
our game too um to rise and meet that

2183
02:57:30,800 --> 02:57:35,520
standard. And I know that's going to
require more work of staff and I

2184
02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:39,439
apologize for that. I'm hoping the
consultant can be further engaged to do

2185
02:57:37,760 --> 02:57:43,760
that. I'm certainly willing to jump in
and help wherever I can to do that as

2186
02:57:41,120 --> 02:57:48,479
well. Um but some of the comments,
especially the ones made by the public

2187
02:57:45,279 --> 02:57:52,880
today, um during the open forum were
things that could be better managed or

2188
02:57:51,040 --> 02:57:59,279
better addressed with just more
transparency and more detail and more um

2189
02:57:57,279 --> 02:58:03,120
you know telegraphic communications as
to where things stand, what's

2190
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:08,240
outstanding, to what degree are we near
completion and so forth. So that's one

2191
02:58:04,479 --> 02:58:14,240
part. Um so I think that's on us. Um, I
do think that we have to continue to

2192
02:58:10,560 --> 02:58:18,399
work with the developer to um move this
project along quickly. Uh, because I

2193
02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:21,920
think at this point in time now, it's
really about getting it done. Um, that's

2194
02:58:20,399 --> 02:58:26,880
the most important thing and get it
getting it done uh even more importantly

2195
02:58:24,880 --> 02:58:30,800
based on all of the conditions that we
all agreed to. Um, and we've heard many

2196
02:58:29,359 --> 02:58:34,399
times tonight we can't add any more
conditions, but I think it's super

2197
02:58:32,160 --> 02:58:39,600
important for us to ensure that every
single one of those conditions is met to

2198
02:58:36,880 --> 02:58:43,040
its fullest extent. Um, and I know that
I have the city's commitment that they

2199
02:58:41,359 --> 02:58:47,600
will do that. We will not issue any
permits unless every single condition

2200
02:58:45,120 --> 02:58:53,439
has been met to the fullest extent that
it requires or it needs to be um, met.

2201
02:58:51,279 --> 02:58:57,920
And nobody's nodding their head, but I'm
sure you're nodding it inside your

2202
02:58:56,800 --> 02:59:03,279
» you're envisioning what it would look
like to nod your head, but go ahead. Um,

2203
02:59:00,240 --> 02:59:06,560
so I think that's another thing that um
we all need to just, you know, put in

2204
02:59:05,200 --> 02:59:12,240
the public record that we're we're all
agreeing that that's in true and and I I

2205
02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:17,200
saw actually Bruce not his head um and
he is agreeing that those conditions

2206
02:59:14,479 --> 02:59:20,319
need to be met. Um and in the details is
where the challenge will be. But again,

2207
02:59:18,560 --> 02:59:26,960
I think that's uh on us to make sure
that they're met to the standard that we

2208
02:59:22,319 --> 02:59:30,640
agree to. Um I do think though that uh
the

2209
02:59:29,279 --> 02:59:34,880
you know some of the things that are
most concerning um are are covered by

2210
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:39,439
many of the conditions the storm water
drain the geotech um you know obviously

2211
02:59:37,600 --> 02:59:43,520
the peer reviews I think there's you
know condition 10 17 18 23 I mean

2212
02:59:42,319 --> 02:59:47,520
there's there's a number of conditions
again I think we just need to make sure

2213
02:59:44,800 --> 02:59:51,920
that those are delivered on fully and
completely. Um the sequencing is more

2214
02:59:50,319 --> 02:59:58,720
troubling because I don't think there's
really um much we can do about that. Um

2215
02:59:56,240 --> 03:00:03,439
again we'd have to impose a condition to
order a sequence that we prefer and we

2216
03:00:01,600 --> 03:00:08,960
are being told by legal we can't we
can't um require that um uh in the

2217
03:00:06,800 --> 03:00:13,760
context of offering an extension to the
tenative map resolution. Um that would

2218
03:00:11,840 --> 03:00:17,680
be the only way of doing it. I mean, I'm
I'm taking the developer, Bruce, at at

2219
03:00:16,399 --> 03:00:22,240
his word that they want to get this done
and get it done quickly. Um, I do know

2220
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:26,080
based on what we have in our conditions
that the sequencing between the demo and

2221
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:30,640
the bulkhead are things that we can
heavily influence. I mean, that permit

2222
03:00:28,240 --> 03:00:35,120
requires that the uh building official
and the engineer um provide a

2223
03:00:33,040 --> 03:00:40,160
recommendation as to when that bulkhead
will be um replaced. Um, and so that's

2224
03:00:38,880 --> 03:00:43,359
part of the permit. At least that's the
way I'm reading the condition is that

2225
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:48,479
you know so we have the ability to
ensure that the demo and the bulkhead

2226
03:00:45,680 --> 03:00:52,479
are um tied in a way that makes sense.
Obviously you can't demo and then let it

2227
03:00:49,920 --> 03:00:57,200
sit there throughout the winter um with
nothing happening. So again more work

2228
03:00:55,520 --> 03:01:00,960
for us to do on our part to ensure that
all of this is delivered on. I mean in

2229
03:00:59,040 --> 03:01:06,240
terms of the timing. So now to part two
what we are here to answer tonight. um

2230
03:01:04,080 --> 03:01:11,439
you know uh throughout my career I mean
we often uh used a quote to bring focus

2231
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:16,240
to some of these things and it was
nothing makes a person more productive

2232
03:01:13,359 --> 03:01:20,479
than the phrase I needed tomorrow and so
I very much agree that a shorter

2233
03:01:18,319 --> 03:01:26,000
timeline is a better timeline I know
it's uh not uh an exciting prospect to

2234
03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:29,920
think about coming back to this meeting
um uh in the near future but I think

2235
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:34,560
given the complexity given the
community's interest um given all of the

2236
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:38,720
variables I that we should we we should
take the time um even though it might

2237
03:01:36,800 --> 03:01:44,560
require a little bit more more work on
everyone's part. So I actually like the

2238
03:01:40,800 --> 03:01:50,000
suggestion um March 19th to 27 um that
we extend the tenative map uh until

2239
03:01:46,880 --> 03:01:54,640
then. Um it does co-terminate with the
design review which uh is interesting

2240
03:01:51,920 --> 03:01:58,560
but again um I do think that in a
shorter period of time I'd love to come

2241
03:01:56,240 --> 03:02:03,600
back and it just keeps the pressure on.
Um, and it sounded like from my

2242
03:02:01,359 --> 03:02:07,359
questions earlier on that, you know, we
were nearly there. A lot of the things

2243
03:02:05,200 --> 03:02:12,240
are just about to come in. Um, you know,
we're at 85%, the 15%, again, John, I'm

2244
03:02:10,399 --> 03:02:17,920
using this all against you. I'm sorry.
Um, but, uh, again, if it is true, if

2245
03:02:15,120 --> 03:02:22,560
that is in fact where we are, then, um,
that seems reasonable. Uh, and if it

2246
03:02:20,160 --> 03:02:27,359
isn't, we'll know in a short order um,
why it's not, and then we'll have to

2247
03:02:24,240 --> 03:02:33,479
make um, additional decisions. So, there
you have it.

2248
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:33,479
Um, okay. Who would like to go next?

2249
03:02:33,520 --> 03:02:45,920
So, um I um thank Vice Mayor Burke for a
very eloquent explanation

2250
03:02:42,399 --> 03:02:56,319
on um our responsibility to our
community and um I totally support and

2251
03:02:51,120 --> 03:03:02,399
stand behind what he says um about how
we need to improve and hopefully with

2252
03:02:59,040 --> 03:03:07,200
this um project coordinator
and an improved website that we will be

2253
03:03:04,560 --> 03:03:11,359
having more transparent communication to
everybody. Um, but I want the community

2254
03:03:09,920 --> 03:03:20,240
to know not to feel bad because
sometimes we don't know till the last

2255
03:03:13,040 --> 03:03:30,880
minute either. So, um uh but to um
address what we're here tonight for the

2256
03:03:23,359 --> 03:03:38,319
final map, um I I also agree that um
uh from what John Mo has said that we're

2257
03:03:34,399 --> 03:03:44,560
so close on the final map and the
improvement plans that um 3 years seems

2258
03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:51,920
excessive.
And um I think um if we had been able to

2259
03:03:49,760 --> 03:03:57,600
see their response, we might have been
able to better understand exactly where

2260
03:03:54,720 --> 03:04:02,960
we're at. But the commission is pretty
much in the same unknown space as the

2261
03:04:00,640 --> 03:04:11,680
rest of the community.
And so I sat here and after asking my

2262
03:04:07,359 --> 03:04:17,439
question on does a 60-day improve, I was
ready to give them till I believe it was

2263
03:04:13,760 --> 03:04:24,800
the May 13, 2027 date, which would be a
year, but um I am also fine with giving

2264
03:04:21,040 --> 03:04:29,279
them to the March date. Um the tenative
map always had a different date.

2265
03:04:27,600 --> 03:04:33,760
Everything was approved at the same
planning commission meeting, but the

2266
03:04:31,279 --> 03:04:40,640
tenative map had to go to city council,
and that's why it's got a two-month

2267
03:04:35,600 --> 03:04:47,040
later date. So, I mean, I I am fine with
either the May or the March date. Um, I

2268
03:04:44,880 --> 03:04:52,880
would support either one of those dates
um for an extension. And I just had one

2269
03:04:49,840 --> 03:05:01,120
more comment that I don't know who wrote
it, but condition 17 on the demo is very

2270
03:04:57,680 --> 03:05:08,000
poorly worded. Um, I would never have
said it would had to do with

2271
03:05:05,120 --> 03:05:12,319
the bulkhead or anything else. I would
have thought that it had to do with the

2272
03:05:10,000 --> 03:05:19,920
structures of the building. So I would
just say in the future um we

2273
03:05:15,760 --> 03:05:27,279
whoever does those conditions needs to
be more um watch as I have said many

2274
03:05:23,920 --> 03:05:30,800
times words matter and using the correct
words for specifically what you're

2275
03:05:28,960 --> 03:05:37,840
addressing is going to be very important
going forward. Thank you.

2276
03:05:34,399 --> 03:05:43,120
Um, Peter, you want to go next?
>> Uh, thank you. Uh, I agree, Kevin. I

2277
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:48,399
think I think you you you highlighted it
very well and using your same rubric. um

2278
03:05:46,080 --> 03:05:52,479
your first point I I agree we need to be
do do better at communicating this and

2279
03:05:50,160 --> 03:05:58,479
and I was a bit um frustrated I think
with with the community that um our

2280
03:05:56,080 --> 03:06:02,319
project manager consultant is not
involved in the upfront which Jane

2281
03:06:00,640 --> 03:06:06,720
talked about in the early part of the
meeting and

2282
03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:12,640
contract um scope notwithstanding we
absolutely this definitively talked

2283
03:06:09,359 --> 03:06:17,600
about adding some of the permit um
conditions and summaries

2284
03:06:15,520 --> 03:06:21,840
checklists, outstanding issues, key
omissions to their responsibility to

2285
03:06:19,920 --> 03:06:25,279
help us document those and outline those
for the community both online and so

2286
03:06:23,920 --> 03:06:29,120
forth. So, I would I would encourage us
to uh

2287
03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:34,160
strong encouragement. I'd really like to
ask us to uh uh better utilize that

2288
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:40,960
resource because I don't know that we're
um have the the the the bandwidth to do

2289
03:06:37,279 --> 03:06:49,680
that. um as Kevin said, um that we need
to step up that scope of work. Uh

2290
03:06:46,080 --> 03:06:53,359
tying it to the um design review
I'm okay with, but I think there's a

2291
03:06:51,439 --> 03:07:02,000
there's a complexity there in that the
design review March 20 of 2027 moves

2292
03:06:58,080 --> 03:07:07,680
with the demolition permit. So, right,
>> well, it's true. demo in. I think

2293
03:07:04,240 --> 03:07:12,560
» it has to it has to have actually both
public improvements which basically is

2294
03:07:10,960 --> 03:07:15,840
the final map.
>> Not necessarily. I mean I mean

2295
03:07:14,240 --> 03:07:21,120
» well you could hold off on the final map
for as long as you really want to.

2296
03:07:17,760 --> 03:07:25,040
» Yes. It's in this case the the public
improvements are running along with the

2297
03:07:23,040 --> 03:07:28,000
final map and the subdivision
improvement agreement and the developer

2298
03:07:26,560 --> 03:07:31,359
has to post a bond.
>> Okay. So you're you're okay with

2299
03:07:29,760 --> 03:07:35,439
understanding that the applicant can
come back and extend them all. You're

2300
03:07:32,720 --> 03:07:41,520
you're okay with Lani with that um
because because you presume that

2301
03:07:39,600 --> 03:07:44,319
that wouldn't move unless the final map
were were subsequently approved.

2302
03:07:43,760 --> 03:07:48,560
» Yes.
>> Okay, I understand. I'm okay with that.

2303
03:07:46,800 --> 03:07:52,240
I think it's shorter than the applicant
wants. Um but I I I understand your

2304
03:07:50,960 --> 03:07:57,359
perspective relative to holding their
feet to the fire. um and recognizing

2305
03:07:55,359 --> 03:08:02,160
that um if nothing else, it's a good
opportunity to to readress this as we go

2306
03:07:59,359 --> 03:08:06,399
forward.
>> Jane,

2307
03:08:02,960 --> 03:08:13,920
» hey. Um thanks. Um
I I think at after this process, I also

2308
03:08:09,920 --> 03:08:20,000
agree that we have to pay uh close
attention to what we're saying and

2309
03:08:17,040 --> 03:08:27,760
making sure it's what we mean. And so
I'm going to hold Kevin here and say uh

2310
03:08:24,319 --> 03:08:33,040
I think it's a great idea to share as
much information as possible with the

2311
03:08:29,920 --> 03:08:39,040
whole community and with the council on
where where everything is on this

2312
03:08:36,160 --> 03:08:44,080
project, but I'd like to know how you
propose that happening. So we don't just

2313
03:08:41,120 --> 03:08:48,800
say we want it, but how how a
spreadsheet that's online? uh what what

2314
03:08:47,520 --> 03:08:52,080
how do we do this?
>> So, Rebecca, can I sort of jump in there

2315
03:08:50,720 --> 03:08:54,800
because I know you're developing these
Excel spreadsheets. Do you want to talk

2316
03:08:53,680 --> 03:09:00,040
a little bit more about that and how
much you plan to share or can share with

2317
03:08:56,880 --> 03:09:00,040
the community?

2318
03:09:00,399 --> 03:09:07,840
» Sure. Yes, we have um we're almost
complete on two spreadsheets. One for um

2319
03:09:06,240 --> 03:09:14,399
that lists each condition of the
demolition, one that um lists all the

2320
03:09:12,160 --> 03:09:20,240
conditions of the tenative map. and we
will make one for the design review and

2321
03:09:16,399 --> 03:09:27,040
it's has the condition listed a column
that says check done or pending and then

2322
03:09:23,600 --> 03:09:29,760
notes. So um we are planning on getting
making those public once they're

2323
03:09:28,800 --> 03:09:33,760
complete.
>> So what do you how long is that two

2324
03:09:32,160 --> 03:09:36,880
weeks away? How long you think until
>> No, by next week.

2325
03:09:35,040 --> 03:09:40,080
» And you will update those whenever
something changes and how will you let

2326
03:09:38,399 --> 03:09:42,800
the community know? Will there be a date
that sort of states when it was last

2327
03:09:41,520 --> 03:09:45,920
updated so that
>> because it's a constantly sort of living

2328
03:09:44,240 --> 03:09:48,240
document and so we need to people need
to know.

2329
03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:51,840
» We can do that. We can do that.
>> Okay.

2330
03:09:49,840 --> 03:09:55,359
» So as things change they need to
indicate what's changed so the community

2331
03:09:53,520 --> 03:09:59,279
can can see that visually.
>> I might suggest that we consider the

2332
03:09:57,359 --> 03:10:01,520
Belvadier breeze. We put it in that.
Well that's not frequent enough

2333
03:10:00,319 --> 03:10:05,359
actually. You'd want to do it more often
than that. The other thing and we should

2334
03:10:02,880 --> 03:10:08,399
talk I mean it's the I think in those
spreadsheets it would be very helpful if

2335
03:10:06,800 --> 03:10:11,600
then there's a live link that you can
get then click through to the section of

2336
03:10:09,920 --> 03:10:15,040
the website that has the supporting
material. So if you're talking about

2337
03:10:13,040 --> 03:10:17,760
condition 31 and it's the storm water
drain yada yada yada well then you can

2338
03:10:16,640 --> 03:10:20,800
go and look at
>> you know the sub whatever I mean it's

2339
03:10:20,080 --> 03:10:24,720
most recent.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's easy to do

2340
03:10:22,640 --> 03:10:29,120
and happy to help in that regard. But I
think that kind of dashboarding approach

2341
03:10:26,720 --> 03:10:32,560
would be very helpful at giving people a
telegraphic view as to where things are

2342
03:10:31,040 --> 03:10:35,439
and then if they choose to dig in
deeper, they can then easily do that.

2343
03:10:34,640 --> 03:10:38,880
» Sure.
>> And can we put it at the top of the

2344
03:10:37,279 --> 03:10:42,720
website? I know the website's going to
get adjusted with the coordinator, but

2345
03:10:40,640 --> 03:10:47,120
he's going to take some time.
>> Probably won't be ready by next week to

2346
03:10:44,720 --> 03:10:53,520
revise the website. So if you could put
that at the top so it because it's

2347
03:10:51,040 --> 03:10:56,880
organized differently. So and it's a new
thing. So I think if it was at the top

2348
03:10:55,200 --> 03:10:59,439
it would be really helpful.
>> Sure.

2349
03:10:58,080 --> 03:11:03,200
» Okay. Jane, do you want to continue in
your comments

2350
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:08,000
» and then um thank you for that and I
agree with the um March 19th, 2027. It's

2351
03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:13,279
fine.
>> Okay. Um I have absolutely nothing to

2352
03:11:11,120 --> 03:11:15,359
add. I agree with what's been said so
far. So would somebody like to make a

2353
03:11:14,560 --> 03:11:20,479
motion?
>> I can read a resolution. Um I'd propose

2354
03:11:18,560 --> 03:11:24,160
a motion to approve the resolution of
the city of Belvadier. City Council

2355
03:11:22,479 --> 03:11:27,760
approving an extension of the tenative
subdivision map for the Malard Point

2356
03:11:25,920 --> 03:11:33,840
project at 1 through 22 Malard Point
Road to March 19th, 2027.

2357
03:11:32,160 --> 03:11:40,240
» Second. All in favor?
>> I I motion passes. Okay. Thank you to

2358
03:11:37,279 --> 03:11:45,680
everybody uh who's uh spoken. Thank you
to the applicant. Um we'll take a five

2359
03:11:42,880 --> 03:11:50,800
minute uh recess so that people can
leave if they would like to. Um and

2360
03:11:48,319 --> 03:11:56,760
we'll come back in five minutes.
Thanks.

2361
03:11:53,200 --> 03:11:56,760
» I know. Jesus.

2362
03:12:04,080 --> 03:12:10,479
Which is discussion and approval of the
city of Badir annual operating and

2363
03:12:07,840 --> 03:12:16,279
capital budget for fiscal year 2627 and
5year capital plan. Helga, I believe you

2364
03:12:12,800 --> 03:12:16,279
have a staff report.

2365
03:12:16,880 --> 03:12:23,760
» Good evening, Mayor Wilson.
Good evening, Mayor Wilkinson and

2366
03:12:21,279 --> 03:12:29,760
council members. Since the proposed
fiscal year 2627 budget was discussed in

2367
03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:34,640
detail at May, we will only focus on the
changes since then and actually there

2368
03:12:32,000 --> 03:12:39,040
have been very few revisions. On the
revenue side, based on the latest

2369
03:12:36,720 --> 03:12:45,279
estimate from Maring County, secured
property tax revenues

2370
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:51,840
are now projected to increase by 5.12%
in fiscal year 2627.

2371
03:12:48,080 --> 03:12:57,680
higher than the 4.06 growth assumed in
the proposed budget. This results in an

2372
03:12:54,319 --> 03:13:04,800
additional 73,277
in security secured property tax

2373
03:13:00,479 --> 03:13:11,279
revenue, increasing the fiscal year 2627
estimate from 7.06

2374
03:13:08,000 --> 03:13:14,960
million to 7.13 million with no changes
to other property tax revenue

2375
03:13:13,200 --> 03:13:21,439
projections.
The projected buyer tax revenue has been

2376
03:13:17,600 --> 03:13:26,479
increased by $14,416
based on updated state price and

2377
03:13:23,600 --> 03:13:32,479
population data. The preliminary budget
assumed a 3% increase while the revised

2378
03:13:29,520 --> 03:13:37,840
estimate reflects an updated growth rate
of 4.19%.

2379
03:13:35,040 --> 03:13:42,080
As a result of the higher fire tax
revenues, the amount required to be

2380
03:13:40,160 --> 03:13:46,960
transferred from the general fund to
support fire services will be reduced

2381
03:13:45,040 --> 03:13:51,760
accordingly.
The city receives donations to support

2382
03:13:49,680 --> 03:13:56,160
the concerts in the park series, which
help fund the program each summer.

2383
03:13:54,160 --> 03:14:02,880
Donations supporting the concert in the
park series are now anticipated to

2384
03:13:58,479 --> 03:14:06,640
exceed 59,000 in fiscal year 2526
compared to the original estimate of

2385
03:14:04,960 --> 03:14:12,319
32,000.
Based on this performance, the fiscical

2386
03:14:08,800 --> 03:14:18,720
year 2627 budget increases anticipated
concert in the park donation revenue

2387
03:14:14,640 --> 03:14:22,399
from 32,000 to 50,000. In addition, a
new revenue line item has been

2388
03:14:20,560 --> 03:14:28,960
established for the Belvadier Film
Festival to separately account for

2389
03:14:25,760 --> 03:14:34,399
donation supporting that event. Based on
fiscal year 2526 contributions, film

2390
03:14:32,239 --> 03:14:39,760
festival donation revenue is projected
at approximately 18,000 in fiscal year

2391
03:14:37,760 --> 03:14:44,720
2627.
And that brings us to the expenditures.

2392
03:14:42,000 --> 03:14:50,800
The wildlife mitigation funding included
in the administration budget has

2393
03:14:46,960 --> 03:14:56,880
increased from 7,000 to 13,000 in fiscal
year 2627 to support continued coyote

2394
03:14:54,160 --> 03:15:02,080
monitoring and the implementation of the
contraceptionbased rat mitigation pilot

2395
03:14:59,680 --> 03:15:09,200
program. In the police department
budget, vehicle maintenance expenditures

2396
03:15:05,279 --> 03:15:13,760
have been reduced by $30,124
from 41,263

2397
03:15:11,520 --> 03:15:18,319
to 11,139
to correct a budget entry and better

2398
03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:22,960
align the budget with actual expenditure
levels. Under the non-dep departmental

2399
03:15:21,359 --> 03:15:29,840
budget, concerts in the park
expenditures have been increased by

2400
03:15:26,000 --> 03:15:35,279
18,000 from 42,000 to 60,000 to better
reflect anticipated program costs. In

2401
03:15:32,960 --> 03:15:40,080
addition, the Belvadier Film Festival
expenditures have also been established

2402
03:15:37,600 --> 03:15:45,760
as a separate budget item with an
appropriation of 22,000 based on prior

2403
03:15:43,120 --> 03:15:50,160
year spending. The majority of these
costs are offset by donations received

2404
03:15:48,160 --> 03:15:55,279
by the city to support these community
events. As a result of these revenue and

2405
03:15:52,960 --> 03:16:00,880
expenditure changes, an additional
120,000 has been allocated to the

2406
03:15:57,520 --> 03:16:07,680
long-term capital pling planning fund in
fiscal year 2627,

2407
03:16:03,120 --> 03:16:14,880
increasing the transfer from 110
one, sorry, from 1.1 million to 1.22

2408
03:16:12,080 --> 03:16:22,560
million. This additional funding raises
the projected fund balance at the end of

2409
03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:28,160
fiscal year 20 3031 to 2.42 million, an
increase of 550,000

2410
03:16:24,880 --> 03:16:33,200
over the 1.87 million balance originally
projected, further strengthening the

2411
03:16:30,479 --> 03:16:37,760
city's long-term capacity to fund future
infrastructure needs.

2412
03:16:36,160 --> 03:16:42,640
When everything is said and done, this
budget will exceed the general fund

2413
03:16:39,439 --> 03:16:46,399
reserve policy goal by 415,000,
which is slightly less than the previous

2414
03:16:44,479 --> 03:16:50,640
version. However, it still projects that
the city will meet its reserve goals for

2415
03:16:48,560 --> 03:16:54,080
the next five years. And with that, I'd
be happy to take questions.

2416
03:16:52,640 --> 03:16:56,960
» Does anybody have any questions for
Helga?

2417
03:16:55,760 --> 03:17:02,720
Any questions?
>> I I just had one. Helga are it sounds

2418
03:17:00,640 --> 03:17:08,080
like you have to do a lot of work for
all these donations that then turn

2419
03:17:04,560 --> 03:17:13,359
around and go out. Is that is that a
huge impact on your time?

2420
03:17:10,399 --> 03:17:15,279
» Um usually our administrative tech takes
most of it.

2421
03:17:14,319 --> 03:17:22,080
» Okay. So
>> because I was thinking about the fun run

2422
03:17:18,160 --> 03:17:25,520
which also is adding to your workload.
>> No, the admin tech will handle most of

2423
03:17:24,960 --> 03:17:29,120
that.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, we don't care about

2424
03:17:27,439 --> 03:17:33,520
that. I'm just kidding.
>> No, it's fine.

2425
03:17:30,960 --> 03:17:38,840
» Okay. Thanks.
>> Okay. If there's no other questions,

2426
03:17:34,800 --> 03:17:38,840
let's open for public comment.

2427
03:17:38,880 --> 03:17:45,279
» You see none. Okay. Let's bring this
back for um any discussion and a motion.

2428
03:17:43,520 --> 03:17:48,720
And I would just caveat that this has
already been reviewed twice by the

2429
03:17:47,600 --> 03:17:50,800
finance committee.
>> Uh once

2430
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:54,960
» once by the finance committee. This is a
second reading for the city council with

2431
03:17:52,399 --> 03:18:01,920
some minor amendments. So if anybody has
any discussion, speak up. If not,

2432
03:17:56,640 --> 03:18:07,120
someone can make a uh a motion.
Anybody want to comment or

2433
03:18:04,880 --> 03:18:13,040
» just motion?
>> Uh we can make a motion to adopt the

2434
03:18:10,560 --> 03:18:17,680
attached resolution appropriating funds
necessary for fiscal year 2026 through

2435
03:18:16,479 --> 03:18:20,000
2027.
>> Second. All in favor?

2436
03:18:19,600 --> 03:18:25,760
» I.
>> I. Motion passes. Move on to item 6 C

2437
03:18:23,120 --> 03:18:30,479
discuss discussion and approval of fire
and emergency medical services special

2438
03:18:27,760 --> 03:18:33,600
tax rates for fiscal 2627. Helga, this
is you again.

2439
03:18:31,279 --> 03:18:39,040
» Yes, thank you. In your packet this
evening is a re resolution to levy the

2440
03:18:36,399 --> 03:18:44,239
previously approved special tax for fire
protection and emergency medical

2441
03:18:41,120 --> 03:18:49,120
services. This is an annual item we need
to pass to levy the tax that was

2442
03:18:46,000 --> 03:18:55,239
approved by voters in 2000. The fees per
parcel for the upcoming fiscal year will

2443
03:18:51,760 --> 03:18:55,239
be $1,143.40

2444
03:18:55,439 --> 03:19:08,720
for residential dwelling units, $1,31.50
for commercial occupancies, and $228.94

2445
03:19:05,840 --> 03:19:13,600
for vacant parcels. The revenue received
from this assessment is spent only on

2446
03:19:11,120 --> 03:19:18,800
fire services. However, it does not
cover the full cost of fire services

2447
03:19:15,760 --> 03:19:22,800
budgeted at 2.67 67 million for fiscal
year 2627

2448
03:19:20,800 --> 03:19:27,760
and will require a transfer from the
general fund of 1.41 million to cover

2449
03:19:25,840 --> 03:19:33,200
the difference. And with that, I'd be
happy to take questions.

2450
03:19:30,800 --> 03:19:36,479
Any questions for Helva? Sorry.
>> Can I make a motion?

2451
03:19:34,319 --> 03:19:40,720
» Sure, I'll go for it.
>> Oh, sorry. Can is there any public

2452
03:19:38,239 --> 03:19:45,200
comment?
>> Okay, perfect. Jane.

2453
03:19:42,800 --> 03:19:49,600
» Okay. In that case, I make a motion to
adopt the resolution levying previously

2454
03:19:47,680 --> 03:19:54,560
approved special tax for fire and
emergency medical services and fixing

2455
03:19:52,160 --> 03:19:57,359
the rates thereof for the fiscal year
2026 2027.

2456
03:19:56,640 --> 03:20:02,479
» Second.
>> All in favor?

2457
03:19:58,960 --> 03:20:07,040
» Motion passes. Moving to 6
D um introduction and first reading of

2458
03:20:05,520 --> 03:20:11,520
an ordinance amending Belvadier
Municipal Code section 3.28.080

2459
03:20:10,000 --> 03:20:16,319
080
to implement annual update of fire and

2460
03:20:14,319 --> 03:20:22,399
emergency medical services special tax
rates for fiscal 2627.

2461
03:20:20,080 --> 03:20:28,880
» Thank you. Uh this is the first reading
of a proposed amendments to Belvadier

2462
03:20:24,960 --> 03:20:34,560
Municipal Code section 3.28.080.
Chapter 3.28 28 of the municipal code

2463
03:20:31,680 --> 03:20:39,359
was enacted by voter initiative in 1980
to establish the city's fire and

2464
03:20:36,560 --> 03:20:44,640
emergency medical services tax with
section 3.28080

2465
03:20:41,680 --> 03:20:49,439
setting the applicable parcel tax rates.
The proposed administ amendments are

2466
03:20:47,359 --> 03:20:55,040
administrative in nature and update the
ordinance to reflect the fiscal year

2467
03:20:51,359 --> 03:20:58,960
2627 tax rates approved by the council,
ensuring the municipal code remains

2468
03:20:56,960 --> 03:21:03,439
current and improving clarity and
transparency. Earlier this evening, the

2469
03:21:01,760 --> 03:21:08,160
council held a public hearing and
adopted a resolution approving the

2470
03:21:05,359 --> 03:21:16,000
fiscal year 2627 fire and emergency
medical service tax rates. The approved

2471
03:21:11,120 --> 03:21:24,960
flat fees per parcel are the $1,14340
for residential dwelling units, $1,30150

2472
03:21:20,080 --> 03:21:29,520
for commercial occupancies, and $228.94
for vacant parcels. Because the

2473
03:21:27,439 --> 03:21:35,200
associated tax revenues have already
been incorporated into the fiscal year

2474
03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:40,800
2627 operating and capital budget, these
ordinance amendments have no additional

2475
03:21:37,279 --> 03:21:45,120
in fiscal impact. Staff will present
this annual ordinance update as part of

2476
03:21:43,040 --> 03:21:50,239
the June budget process to ensure the
municipal code continues to accurately

2477
03:21:47,680 --> 03:21:54,560
reflect the rates being levied. We will
bring this back to council for a second

2478
03:21:52,080 --> 03:21:59,760
reading at the July 13th meeting if
approved tonight.

2479
03:21:56,319 --> 03:22:05,439
» Uh great. Any questions for Helga?
Seeing none, is there Oh, Jane, hold on.

2480
03:22:02,560 --> 03:22:10,000
Is public comment?
>> I see none. Jane.

2481
03:22:07,760 --> 03:22:14,520
» Uh, I move that we approve the first
reading of ordinance 3.28.080.

2482
03:22:15,359 --> 03:22:17,840
» Can I get a second code?
>> Can I get a second?

2483
03:22:17,359 --> 03:22:22,319
» Second.
>> All in favor?

2484
03:22:19,200 --> 03:22:27,359
» Motion passes. Um, and I would just uh
preview that at some point during this

2485
03:22:25,359 --> 03:22:31,760
year, we'll be bringing back some
updates to all of this from what we're

2486
03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:34,720
learning through our uh conversations
around annexation. And we've learned

2487
03:22:33,359 --> 03:22:37,600
some interesting things around our fire
tax. And that will be coming uh in

2488
03:22:36,319 --> 03:22:40,479
future months.
>> Correct.

2489
03:22:38,399 --> 03:22:43,120
» Also, Hog um I I appreciate I know we
had this conversation last year because

2490
03:22:41,520 --> 03:22:46,560
we hadn't update updated our ordinance
in a while while we had updated the

2491
03:22:45,439 --> 03:22:50,560
fees. I think it's great that we're
keeping up on this so that the ordinance

2492
03:22:48,160 --> 03:22:54,080
itself has the transparency that you're
you're you're intending.

2493
03:22:52,239 --> 03:22:56,880
» Thank you.
Okay. I forgot to mention at the

2494
03:22:55,680 --> 03:23:02,160
beginning of the meeting that we have,
if it's still on anyone's agenda, 6E,

2495
03:22:59,200 --> 03:23:08,239
which is around the introduction of a
drone uh ordinance has been uh moved to

2496
03:23:06,479 --> 03:23:12,080
the next meeting. So, we will not be
discussing that tonight. Okay. We'll

2497
03:23:10,399 --> 03:23:17,600
close the public hearings and moving on
to other scheduled items. Uh 7A,

2498
03:23:15,520 --> 03:23:22,080
adoption of resolutions calling a
general municipal election on November

2499
03:23:19,600 --> 03:23:27,520
3rd, 26 and requesting the Marine County
Board of Supervisors consolidate this

2500
03:23:24,000 --> 03:23:31,680
election with the November 3rd, 2026
general election. Um is there a staff

2501
03:23:29,760 --> 03:23:35,359
report here and who's giving it?
>> Uh thank you, Mayor Wilkinson and

2502
03:23:33,359 --> 03:23:40,239
council. Be really quick. Uh in
December, the terms of office of council

2503
03:23:38,239 --> 03:23:45,359
member Jane Cooper and Peter Mark will
expire. The city must notify the c the

2504
03:23:42,880 --> 03:23:48,880
marine county of registers
the marine county register of voters of

2505
03:23:47,279 --> 03:23:53,120
the city's intention to conduct a
general municipal election on November

2506
03:23:50,880 --> 03:23:57,040
3rd 2026
um for the purpose of electing two

2507
03:23:54,640 --> 03:24:01,040
members to council. The election the
California elections code also requires

2508
03:23:59,359 --> 03:24:05,439
council to make several additional
decisions after calling an election.

2509
03:24:03,359 --> 03:24:09,760
These routine matters are also addressed
in the resolutions in front of you.

2510
03:24:07,680 --> 03:24:14,640
Staff recommends that council adopts the
two resolutions for the November 3rd,

2511
03:24:11,840 --> 03:24:19,000
2026 general municipal election.
>> Thank you. Any questions,

2512
03:24:19,680 --> 03:24:25,200
» can they be adopted together
>> or separately?

2513
03:24:24,399 --> 03:24:29,200
» It's motion.
>> It's one resolution.

2514
03:24:27,840 --> 03:24:33,760
» And I make a motion to adopt.
>> Oh my god. Open for public comment.

2515
03:24:30,560 --> 03:24:37,200
» Oh yeah. Jeez, that's smart. Hurry up.
>> Uh I see no hands raised. Okay, Jane, go

2516
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:38,960
for it.
Um,

2517
03:24:37,760 --> 03:24:44,800
» you're on a roll tonight.
>> I know. I'm really into it. Uh, I make a

2518
03:24:41,920 --> 03:24:49,040
motion that we adopt two resolutions for
the November 3rd, 2026 general municipal

2519
03:24:47,920 --> 03:24:51,520
election.
>> Second.

2520
03:24:49,680 --> 03:24:56,399
» All in favor?
>> Um, and we do have uh am I allowed to

2521
03:24:54,640 --> 03:24:59,840
ask whether our current sitting council
members are intending to run again in

2522
03:24:57,920 --> 03:25:03,040
November or is that
>> you're not allowed to ask.

2523
03:25:01,760 --> 03:25:05,520
» You should probably find another form
for that announcement. Okay. Thank you,

2524
03:25:04,399 --> 03:25:08,319
mayor.
Just out of curiosity,

2525
03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:13,920
» you're the secret.
>> Okay, we are moving on to 7B. Uh, first

2526
03:25:13,279 --> 03:25:16,720
reading and
>> we're going to have a balloon

2527
03:25:14,960 --> 03:25:22,920
announcement. What is that when you have
a baby?

2528
03:25:18,640 --> 03:25:22,920
» We're going to have a gender reveal.

2529
03:25:23,120 --> 03:25:31,600
» 7B. We're going to get through this
meeting if it kills me. 7B. First

2530
03:25:28,560 --> 03:25:36,560
reading and review of a resolution for
period July 126 through June 3029

2531
03:25:34,800 --> 03:25:40,800
establishing salaries and benefits for
miscellaneous non-represented employees

2532
03:25:38,640 --> 03:25:42,640
of the city of Balvadier. Helgar, is
this you or is this Robert?

2533
03:25:41,920 --> 03:25:47,279
» I'll take this one.
>> Okay, mayor. Uh item 7B is the first

2534
03:25:45,120 --> 03:25:51,120
reading of the resolution for employee
salary. It's going to be what's proposed

2535
03:25:49,279 --> 03:25:57,120
as a three-year contract as you
mentioned starting July 1st, 2026

2536
03:25:53,439 --> 03:26:01,439
through June 30th, 2029. The proposed
resolution implements the results of the

2537
03:25:59,120 --> 03:26:05,520
city's recently completed classification
and compensation study, which was the

2538
03:26:03,920 --> 03:26:10,319
first comprehensive review of this kind
in more than a decade. Overall, the

2539
03:26:08,399 --> 03:26:14,880
study showed that Belier's compensation
levels for some employees was low

2540
03:26:12,239 --> 03:26:19,120
compared to other Marin County agencies.
The resolution seeks to realign these

2541
03:26:16,800 --> 03:26:23,680
low positions with a one-time salary
adjustment across the board. The

2542
03:26:21,200 --> 03:26:28,239
agreement also includes a 2 and a.5%
cost of living adjustment. That's a cola

2543
03:26:26,080 --> 03:26:35,040
affected with with the f within the
first full pay period of uh July 2026.

2544
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:40,319
Uh that percentage
uh matches the consumer price index

2545
03:26:37,040 --> 03:26:44,479
inflationary data for the Bay Area. Uh
and then for the second and third year

2546
03:26:42,000 --> 03:26:50,640
of the contract, CPI based cost of
living adjustments will be applied with

2547
03:26:46,399 --> 03:26:55,359
a floor of 2% and a ceiling of 4%.
benefits generally remain unchanged with

2548
03:26:53,040 --> 03:26:58,640
only minor housekeeping updates
including a small increase in the boot

2549
03:26:57,040 --> 03:27:03,840
allowance for public works maintenance
staff. Um bothus I'll mention the

2550
03:27:02,080 --> 03:27:08,640
miscellaneous and the police departments
which we're about to hear as the next

2551
03:27:05,520 --> 03:27:13,680
item also include transitioning to a
sevenstep salary or pay schedule system.

2552
03:27:11,439 --> 03:27:17,920
We're currently on a five-step um and
that'll be effective July 1st and it

2553
03:27:15,760 --> 03:27:22,239
will only impact new employees hired
after July 1st, 2026.

2554
03:27:20,479 --> 03:27:27,840
The estimated fiscal impact is
approximately $84,000 annually over a

2555
03:27:25,200 --> 03:27:32,319
three-year term and has been assumed in
in the proposed budget that was adopted.

2556
03:27:30,720 --> 03:27:37,439
That's all I have for now and open to
questions.

2557
03:27:33,920 --> 03:27:43,359
» Questions from council?
No. Seeing none, um the $84,000 is the

2558
03:27:41,200 --> 03:27:46,880
impact of the colas or the impact of the
of the salary adjustments from the

2559
03:27:45,920 --> 03:27:50,880
compensation study.
>> I believe it's all the above, right?

2560
03:27:51,600 --> 03:27:57,120
It was an average over three years that
included both.

2561
03:27:54,880 --> 03:28:00,960
» It included both. Okay, perfect. Um
Okay. Um any public comment, Beth?

2562
03:28:00,080 --> 03:28:05,200
» See none.
>> Okay. Can I get a motion?

2563
03:28:03,520 --> 03:28:08,160
» I think it it I think we're just
considering. Is there a motion to be

2564
03:28:06,960 --> 03:28:12,359
made on?
>> It's not a first reading. It's just

2565
03:28:12,399 --> 03:28:15,399
» reading.

2566
03:28:15,760 --> 03:28:24,920
» Yeah. We we bring it back in July. So
>> yeah.

2567
03:28:20,640 --> 03:28:24,920
» Oh, how does that work then?

2568
03:28:25,120 --> 03:28:31,960
» I think the council should approve it
tonight. And it's sort of a

2569
03:28:28,960 --> 03:28:31,960
» requirement

2570
03:28:32,880 --> 03:28:36,319
because there two times.
>> Thank you.

2571
03:28:34,640 --> 03:28:40,880
» To approve a resolution for the period
of July 1st, 2026 through June 30th,

2572
03:28:38,960 --> 03:28:44,479
2029 establishing salaries and benefits
for miscellaneous non-represented

2573
03:28:42,319 --> 03:28:48,399
employees of the city of Belvadier.
>> Can I have a second? Second.

2574
03:28:46,720 --> 03:28:51,439
» Who wants it?
>> Jane can have it.

2575
03:28:50,239 --> 03:28:58,640
» All in favor?
>> I I um motion passes. Let's move on to

2576
03:28:55,760 --> 03:29:02,160
um uh 7 C, which is essentially
identical, but Robert, do you want to

2577
03:28:59,760 --> 03:29:05,760
give a quick one sentence?
>> Sure.

2578
03:29:03,840 --> 03:29:09,200
It's substantially the same as a
previous item, but does apply to

2579
03:29:07,520 --> 03:29:12,640
employees represented by the Beloved
Police Officers Association. The

2580
03:29:11,279 --> 03:29:17,200
agreement incorporates the same
compensation study adjustments and cola

2581
03:29:15,600 --> 03:29:23,520
structure that was discussed under item
7B. Um the cost to this for the city is

2582
03:29:20,319 --> 03:29:27,120
approximately $30,000 annually. Uh as
Helga mentioned, this includes both

2583
03:29:25,760 --> 03:29:31,359
items and it's averaged over a
three-year period.

2584
03:29:28,960 --> 03:29:33,920
» Perfect. Um any questions?
>> Nope.

2585
03:29:31,920 --> 03:29:39,120
» Public comment. Beth,
>> can I get a motion? I can make a motion

2586
03:29:36,880 --> 03:29:43,279
to approve a resolution for the period
of July 1st, 2026 through June 30th,

2587
03:29:41,359 --> 03:29:47,600
2029, establishing salaries and benefits
for the Belvadier Police Officers Assoc

2588
03:29:45,359 --> 03:29:48,880
Association employees of the city of
Belvadier.

2589
03:29:48,239 --> 03:29:50,479
» Second.
>> All in favor?

2590
03:29:49,680 --> 03:29:55,920
» I.
>> Motion passes. 7D. Um, this is the

2591
03:29:54,000 --> 03:29:59,439
discussion and approval of a resolution
approving an amendment to the city

2592
03:29:57,439 --> 03:30:02,960
manager employment agreement. I believe
Andrew that you wanted to take this.

2593
03:30:01,279 --> 03:30:07,040
» Yeah, thank you, mayor. Uh it seemed
appropriate for me to briefly address

2594
03:30:04,399 --> 03:30:10,399
this one. Um so this would extend uh
address the city manager salaries of the

2595
03:30:08,880 --> 03:30:14,560
next two fiscal years. In the first
fiscal year there would be increase in

2596
03:30:12,239 --> 03:30:18,479
the salary of $29,200.
In the second year there would be

2597
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:22,640
increase according to a similar simp CPI
mechanism than the other employees

2598
03:30:20,319 --> 03:30:28,160
basically adjusted for CPI with a ban of
2 to 4%. Thank you.

2599
03:30:25,760 --> 03:30:31,680
Um, I don't really have I will just add
there that this was a conversation

2600
03:30:30,000 --> 03:30:36,160
between the city council during the
performance review uh of Robert and then

2601
03:30:33,600 --> 03:30:40,399
a conversation um with Robert. Um I
think we're very pleased to be offering

2602
03:30:37,760 --> 03:30:43,359
you um this package. Um and we look
forward to the next two years of of work

2603
03:30:42,479 --> 03:30:47,200
with you.
>> Thank you.

2604
03:30:45,200 --> 03:30:51,600
» Um does anybody have any questions
before I move to public comment?

2605
03:30:49,680 --> 03:30:53,920
No. Any public comment?
>> Mayor Wilkinson, there are no hands

2606
03:30:53,040 --> 03:30:58,880
raised.
>> Great. Can I get a motion, please?

2607
03:30:57,920 --> 03:31:03,120
» We don't have anything to make.
>> I don't have it in front of me.

2608
03:31:01,680 --> 03:31:08,319
» That's the resolution for the city
manager's pay for the next two years.

2609
03:31:07,359 --> 03:31:12,080
» Second.
>> All in favor? I

2610
03:31:10,160 --> 03:31:16,160
» I
>> Okay, we're bringing it back to 7E,

2611
03:31:14,160 --> 03:31:19,200
which is a discussion of appointments
the planning commission, the finance

2612
03:31:17,520 --> 03:31:22,200
committee, and the Belvadier Tibbron
Libr.

2613
03:31:22,319 --> 03:31:32,640
Um, as we know for the finance
committee, we've had we have our two

2614
03:31:28,640 --> 03:31:36,640
uh representatives who are currently
on the

2615
03:31:34,399 --> 03:31:40,160
uh finance committee that are renewing.
So, thank you to that. And that is Bob

2616
03:31:38,080 --> 03:31:42,319
McCascal and Patrick Federer that have
renewed.

2617
03:31:41,600 --> 03:31:44,880
» Correct.
>> Yes.

2618
03:31:42,560 --> 03:31:51,040
» And so, our only discussion tonight is
around uh the appointment of Jacob

2619
03:31:48,640 --> 03:31:54,640
Lanetski to the planning commission. So,
should we deal with that one first?

2620
03:31:52,239 --> 03:31:59,160
Would anybody like to uh Is there any
discussion here? Would anybody like to

2621
03:31:55,920 --> 03:31:59,160
make a motion?

2622
03:32:02,319 --> 03:32:07,040
» Oh, go ahead.
>> No, no, no. I'm saying we go in order. I

2623
03:32:04,720 --> 03:32:11,520
mean, I think I think Jacob being the
only candidate is is our only choice. Um

2624
03:32:09,840 --> 03:32:17,439
I I see that with with the measure of
Jess. No, I'm I'm I'm thrilled to to

2625
03:32:14,160 --> 03:32:21,520
have uh the opportunity to have Jacob
join our planning commission. And I

2626
03:32:19,120 --> 03:32:28,160
think he brings uh not only the
experience um but the uh temperament,

2627
03:32:25,359 --> 03:32:33,760
the the the communication ability and I
think the um added depth that we uh have

2628
03:32:32,319 --> 03:32:37,200
come to expect on our funding commission
and I think would be a wonderful

2629
03:32:35,279 --> 03:32:38,880
addition.
>> Anybody else?

2630
03:32:37,760 --> 03:32:42,319
» I second that.
>> Yeah,

2631
03:32:39,920 --> 03:32:45,040
» agree. Okay. And so we'll make one
motion at the end. Is that okay for all

2632
03:32:43,680 --> 03:32:48,560
of these different appointments?
>> Right. And then I I I'm sure the council

2633
03:32:46,800 --> 03:32:50,640
did not mean to gloss over it, but we
did have to consider also a

2634
03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:51,439
reappointment to the planning
commission.

2635
03:32:51,120 --> 03:32:53,920
» Yeah.
>> Of

2636
03:32:53,439 --> 03:32:56,720
the
>> there's

2637
03:32:55,439 --> 03:33:00,160
there's there's two motions, right? I
mean I mean you have in the start should

2638
03:32:58,560 --> 03:33:03,279
make make a first motion to reappoint
incumbents Bob Mcascal and Patrick

2639
03:33:01,920 --> 03:33:05,279
Federer to the respective seats on the
finance committee.

2640
03:33:04,000 --> 03:33:08,479
» I was going to do it all at the end.
>> Oh, you can do it all at the end. Okay.

2641
03:33:07,120 --> 03:33:10,319
» But I just didn't want to lose that lose
sight of the reappointment. Thank you.

2642
03:33:09,840 --> 03:33:14,880
Got it.
>> Sorry. Um and so we are now moving on to

2643
03:33:12,399 --> 03:33:18,800
the Balvadier Tibberon Library Agency
board of trustees and we have two

2644
03:33:16,560 --> 03:33:23,520
applicants there for the position Tony
Hooker and Andrea Barish. Um would

2645
03:33:21,680 --> 03:33:26,800
anybody like to go first on those
deliberations?

2646
03:33:24,160 --> 03:33:33,600
» Well, I I would like to recommend that
Tony continue in his role. I think the

2647
03:33:30,880 --> 03:33:37,520
consistency of someone doing this for
four years and then having another

2648
03:33:35,200 --> 03:33:43,120
opportunity, a lot of learning
experience and he brings a lot of

2649
03:33:39,520 --> 03:33:48,479
experience anyway. And I I do feel that
Andrea would be perfect for the

2650
03:33:45,279 --> 03:33:56,960
foundation and it it just so happens
that there is a position available

2651
03:33:51,359 --> 03:34:04,720
there. and um and uh in speaking with
the library director uh she thinks that

2652
03:34:01,680 --> 03:34:08,560
some of the best way the best way to
prepare to get on the actual library

2653
03:34:06,800 --> 03:34:16,160
board is to start at the library
foundation. So, um I'm hoping that

2654
03:34:12,319 --> 03:34:21,279
Andrea would uh accept that idea and so
that we can keep her involved. As Pat

2655
03:34:18,960 --> 03:34:27,120
said, we don't want to lose a great
volunteer. And um I really think this

2656
03:34:24,560 --> 03:34:32,160
would be a terrific spot for her skills.
So um maybe when we write her the

2657
03:34:29,760 --> 03:34:33,359
letter, can we put something in about
that, Beth?

2658
03:34:33,120 --> 03:34:35,200
» Okay.
>> Well, let's hold on and see where

2659
03:34:34,479 --> 03:34:39,840
everybody is.
>> I meant if after the vote.

2660
03:34:37,279 --> 03:34:42,000
» Is is the foundation um under the
director's crystal's responsibility or

2661
03:34:41,520 --> 03:34:46,880
is it
>> I'm not sure. She said she would be

2662
03:34:44,000 --> 03:34:52,479
happy to um introduce her to the
foundation board president.

2663
03:34:49,439 --> 03:34:54,720
» So someone would you two are you you
were and you are the library, right?

2664
03:34:54,239 --> 03:34:57,279
You're not
>> we're no longer doing covering the

2665
03:34:56,160 --> 03:35:00,399
librarian library
>> because we have board members seem

2666
03:34:59,920 --> 03:35:02,880
redundant.
>> It's like the ranch or anywhere else,

2667
03:35:01,600 --> 03:35:06,080
» but but someone someone should take
someone should take the lead to

2668
03:35:05,200 --> 03:35:08,880
introduce Andrea.
>> I'm happy if we go that route to take

2669
03:35:08,319 --> 03:35:13,200
the lead.
>> I think that makes sense. Does anyone

2670
03:35:10,720 --> 03:35:18,800
else want to express their opinion?
>> Yeah, I mean I think that um

2671
03:35:16,800 --> 03:35:23,520
Andrea
um is exactly what we're looking for in

2672
03:35:20,960 --> 03:35:27,920
a volunteer in the city and it's just
unfortunate we only have one position

2673
03:35:26,160 --> 03:35:36,160
because I think she's an excellent
candidate. Um, but I agree with Jane

2674
03:35:31,120 --> 03:35:42,880
that um getting up to speed and being
able to bring that um

2675
03:35:39,120 --> 03:35:49,439
expertise to the next four years is uh
very beneficial for the library. Um and

2676
03:35:46,800 --> 03:35:54,880
I would encourage her to look at other
committees that we have available.

2677
03:35:52,239 --> 03:36:02,720
um because I think her skills are things
that um communication we could all um

2678
03:35:59,680 --> 03:36:06,239
benefit from. Um so it's just
unfortunate we don't have another

2679
03:36:04,239 --> 03:36:11,439
position because I think she would be
terrific. Uh and would like to encourage

2680
03:36:08,880 --> 03:36:18,399
her to seek other volunteer positions in
the city. Um that's my feeling.

2681
03:36:14,880 --> 03:36:22,239
» Peter, do you have a differing opinion?
I think she seems wonderful and as

2682
03:36:21,040 --> 03:36:24,800
everyone said, I hope we can find a
place for her.

2683
03:36:23,200 --> 03:36:29,040
» Yeah, I mean my only additional comment
there was I got feedback from um

2684
03:36:26,720 --> 03:36:33,279
existing library agency board members
that Tony brings some financial skills

2685
03:36:31,040 --> 03:36:37,359
that others don't have. Um and so that
might be an additional reason to keep

2686
03:36:34,720 --> 03:36:40,880
him on as our representative, but agree
with everybody else that um Andrea seems

2687
03:36:39,359 --> 03:36:48,000
to be a great candidate and we should
bring her into being involved. So, um,

2688
03:36:43,920 --> 03:36:53,200
with that, can I first, um, get a motion
to reappoint incumbents Bob McKascal and

2689
03:36:50,560 --> 03:36:55,040
Patrick Federa to the, uh, two seats on
the finance committee?

2690
03:36:54,239 --> 03:36:57,359
» Mayor Wilkinson.
>> Oh, you want me to go public comment?

2691
03:36:56,720 --> 03:36:59,200
» Public comment.
>> Any public comment?

2692
03:36:58,160 --> 03:37:03,840
» We have no public comment.
>> Okay. So, can I get a motion to

2693
03:37:01,279 --> 03:37:05,680
reappoint incumbents Bob and Patrick to
their respective seats on the finance

2694
03:37:05,279 --> 03:37:08,319
committee?
>> I can make a motion to reappoint

2695
03:37:06,880 --> 03:37:11,040
incumbents Bob McCascal and Patrick
Federer to their respective seats on the

2696
03:37:09,920 --> 03:37:12,960
finance committee.
>> Second. All in favor?

2697
03:37:12,640 --> 03:37:15,920
» I
>> I.

2698
03:37:13,279 --> 03:37:21,359
» And then can I get a motion to appoint
who wants to make the to appoint Azel

2699
03:37:18,800 --> 03:37:23,680
and Jacob Lanetski to the planning
commission

2700
03:37:22,000 --> 03:37:26,960
» and
>> and Tony Hooker

2701
03:37:24,560 --> 03:37:32,960
» and Tony Hooker to the library agency.
make a motion to appoint uh

2702
03:37:30,880 --> 03:37:41,200
starting with um Azel
>> Jumai

2703
03:37:35,600 --> 03:37:47,279
» Jama um to complete for to her four-year
term and

2704
03:37:43,120 --> 03:37:52,319
um I'm sorry um Jacob Lineski to the
complete the two-year term uh on the

2705
03:37:50,000 --> 03:37:57,840
planning commission and appoint Tony
Hooker to the library timber library

2706
03:37:56,000 --> 03:38:02,800
agency board of trust
Second. All in favor?

2707
03:37:59,920 --> 03:38:07,920
» I. Motion passes. Um, okay. I think we
are moving. Congratulations, Jacob.

2708
03:38:05,600 --> 03:38:14,200
» I'm shocked that you sat through the
entire meeting. So, welcome to Welcome

2709
03:38:10,640 --> 03:38:14,200
to Public Service.

2710
03:38:14,560 --> 03:38:18,600
» Yeah, this is a short meeting.

2711
03:38:18,880 --> 03:38:22,319
» Okay, we are not done. We are moving to
open forum.

2712
03:38:21,680 --> 03:38:24,880
» Oh, open.
>> I'm not going to read it. Is there

2713
03:38:23,680 --> 03:38:28,160
anybody here that would like to make
public comment during the open forum?

2714
03:38:26,479 --> 03:38:33,000
» Mayor Wilson, there are no hands raised.
>> Okay, with that we are ajourned. Good

2715
03:38:29,840 --> 03:38:33,000
night everybody.

2716
03:38:33,600 --> 03:38:36,319
Here, this is