[0:09] Perfect.
Well, welcome. And we'd like to call to
[0:13] order with the roll call, please, if you
don't mind, Tony.
[0:17] » Yep. Absolutely. So, we'll start with
Chair Charlie Harrington,
[0:21] » present.
>> Vice Chair Nick Markman,
[0:23] » present.
>> Committee member Wayne Stacy,
[0:27] » present. Committee member John Sherm
present and um committee member Ma
[0:34] Burksund has uh excused herself and we
also have council leaison Jane Cooper
[0:39] » present.
>> Thank you Tony. Okay. Um we're going to
[0:44] do a slight reshuffle of the agenda.
We'd like to move uh what is item number
[0:51] five to be the next immediate item. So,
it'll happen next and that is the
[0:55] updates by the lane subcommittee on the
report to city council on the Beach Road
[0:59] Strip. Um,
great. Do I need to ask for anything
[1:06] permission for that? No, that's fine.
>> No. Um, I think it in my uh Yeah, you
[1:13] you're bringing it forward is is the way
to do it.
[1:15] » Okay, great. Um well I don't have much
of an update on this largely because uh
[1:21] the timing of our meetings as everyone
knows we meet rather infrequently um
[1:25] which I want to discuss later. Um but
there was a previous city council
[1:29] meeting um where it came up where the
lane subcommittee of this very committee
[1:35] would be providing a survey and report
to city staff and city council
[1:40] specifically on the revocable licenses
associated with the strip. Um parks,
[1:45] open spaces and lanes um responsible for
stewardship of parks, open spaces of
[1:50] lanes of which the strip being
designated as a park is one of those
[1:53] things. Um when we met with city
council, we believed uh we stated that
[1:57] we would be coordinating with the
planning department in terms of
[2:01] receiving materials. So the update we
have um on this is that we stated we
[2:06] would not be active on this during the
summer other than setting up the
[2:09] document exchange which has taken place.
So we wanted to say thank you to Rebecca
[2:12] and Sammy as well as Jane for your help
in gathering the records. Um we have
[2:17] received a number of recorded revocable
licenses, staff reports, drawings,
[2:21] photos, meeting minutes. Uh these are
all provided securely to the
[2:25] subcommittee. Um MA shares that she's
started to review those and the plan is
[2:30] that we are going to create similar to
the lane survey last year a little
[2:34] tracker document where we can look into
all of those and provide updates and um
[2:38] you know again the framing for this was
to provide an asset to city staff and
[2:42] city council when looking at these
things uh because they do come up time
[2:46] to time. Um when the survey draft is
completed, I would I believe we'll
[2:51] hopefully target
um you know early fall, we will be
[2:55] sharing it with this committee and
sharing it with uh you Tony and city
[2:59] staff. So that's mainly the update I
have on that topic. Jane,
[3:03] » can I ask a question just for
clarification for myself and everybody
[3:07] here? Uh when you say that this
committee is looking at all revocable
[3:13] licenses, are you talking about ones
that are the lanes and in public space
[3:19] or are you saying this committee is
looking at all private revocable
[3:24] licenses? So, um, if you own a home and
your, uh, pier goes down
[3:34] to the water and there's a revocable
license,
[3:37] but it's not a lane.
>> Are are we looking at private revocable
[3:43] licenses? I I don't know that I have the
exact distinction you have in mind, but
[3:47] the the lanes you can think about as one
component of what this uh survey is
[3:52] looking at and then the recreation zone
designated as the strip of which some of
[3:57] those peers and and uh docks may be
cutting across that's also in
[4:01] consideration. So, okay,
>> I think the goal is to sort of work down
[4:05] that entire stretch that is designated
as um park.
[4:10] uh and I don't have the exact list of
documents we've received, right,
[4:14] » from uh the planning department. I
expect there may be some additional
[4:17] documents that we need to request as we
start to look into that.
[4:20] » Do you have any any guidance in that
regard? No, I mean I think you know I
[4:25] think we have to be careful if we're
looking at private ownership versus okay
[4:30] » when it's on a lane which we've been
running into where the lanes uh an
[4:35] individual home has a revocable license
on the lane itself and it hasn't been
[4:42] kept up and I think that's how so that
access for the public
[4:47] » but certainly these other ones are not
public access They're privately owned
[4:53] except for going under,
>> right?
[4:55] » Anything go walking under, but other
than that, I I would not know where our
[5:02] influence would come.
>> Yeah, I the main guidance was in in
[5:07] terms of what is impacting public
access, whether it's on a lane or on the
[5:11] navigable area along the strip. But I
>> yeah just to to jump in to provide a bit
[5:17] of context um from the council's
perspective um I believe that this is uh
[5:24] part of their discussion on RL's uh in
in general and um their sort of
[5:30] protocols on how they um how they manage
their RL um approval decisions. Um so
[5:36] this is uh input into into that um
deliberation for them. Um the um
[5:44] conversation I had with with the city
manager um was that really the the value
[5:48] that the uh that this committee can
provide is um kind of digging into
[5:53] details and um discussing with with
staff how to um present those to council
[5:59] and how they can be of value to to
council um to the city council with
[6:04] their uh with their work. Um yeah and
and and apart from that I think um I
[6:10] don't think there are any specific
action items um that will you know that
[6:14] are that are lined up for this. Um I
think any of the you know if if there
[6:18] are any issues that are that are found
and and you know highlighted um you know
[6:23] the city's position is not to um to to
to police um actions that you know or
[6:29] activities that have happened you know
over over many many years. Um so um
[6:35] yeah, I think um it's it's a work in in
progress and I think it's something that
[6:40] um will be continually coordinated with
staff and uh and certain council
[6:45] members.
>> Thanks for that context. And you know
[6:48] again this falls within the um
responsibilities of this committee to
[6:52] provide these surveys and and I might
even call them acts of acts of service
[6:56] to help city council with that
periodically as requested. So thank you
[6:59] for that context.
Does the committee have any comments or
[7:03] questions on this item?
[7:07] » The my understanding is that section of
the island is half recreational, half
[7:12] open space. Are we only covering the
recreational portion?
[7:17] » Uh the remitt as I understand is to
cover both recreation and open space.
[7:22] » Thank you.
[7:27] Is there any public comment on Zoom
relating to this item?
[7:36] » Fair enough.
>> Okay. Is there any public comment in the
[7:38] in the room on this item?
>> Yes. Please step forward and if you
[7:44] don't mind stating your name and your
address and uh also pressing the button
[7:48] so your mic turns green.
That was a lot of instructions. I'm
[7:52] sorry. I can repeat them.
and I've got it green. Um Albert
[7:57] Richards, I'm at 266 Beach Road. Uh
Jane, you mentioned uh kind of in the
[8:03] preamble as we were in our discussions
that uh building isn't allowed on the
[8:08] strip. Um that's a subject of debate.
Uh, and I think I've seen in past uh um
[8:19] planning approvals a reference to an
1898 deed that says no structures are
[8:26] permitted on the strip. That begs the
legal question of what is a structure
[8:32] and how was that defined in 1898 in that
document which is unclear. The document
[8:38] itself is between the Belvadier land
company and Belvadier. The land company
[8:44] still exists. We have an opportunity to
clarify that such that it becomes
[8:51] something that does not become the
subject of multiple lawsuits in the
[8:55] future. And I would take it I would
strongly advise the city to engage uh
[9:01] with the land company to make that as
flexible as possible such that we don't
[9:07] use that document in a backhanded manner
to create someone's own definition of
[9:14] structure in order to back into a
preferred solution and instead have it
[9:20] be as flexible as possible going forward
such that the city has the remit to uh
[9:27] use the strip as it sees fit. Uh one of
the dangers there is right now is if
[9:33] there's a failure uh
and there is let's say a walkway that
[9:39] goes across is that a structure? Um and
if somebody wants to put a walkway or a
[9:45] platform, is that a structure? And if
they already exist and the city decides
[9:49] that that is a structure, the city is
basically taking the legal view that the
[9:54] strip has already reverted to Belvadier
land because Belveter land the deed says
[9:59] if there's a structure on the strip, it
reverts to Belvader land ownership.
[10:04] Uh so if you're in a situation that if
there's a failure below somebody's house
[10:10] and uh then you have two different
parties that can potentially uh uh be
[10:15] actioned. One is the city because it
owns or two is the Belvader Land Company
[10:20] because someone can claim that the land
has actually already reverted to
[10:24] Belvader Land Company because of that
deed. And that is just an incredible
[10:29] legal clagmire that I would strongly
encourage the city to have a rational
[10:35] conversation with Belvadier Land, get a
nice flexible arrangement uh that we can
[10:42] move forward as a city for the benefit
of the overall community.
[10:46] Certainly from a
uh existing standpoint and from a uh
[10:53] what's essentially the the
pattern and practice of the city has
[10:58] been to deem a walkway or a platform or
something like that not a structure
[11:03] because you've approved it a lot in the
past, most recently at our neighbors.
[11:08] And I would be more than happy to have
people come down and take a look at
[11:12] what's going on down there. Uh we have a
stairway that goes all the way down uh
[11:16] even though the lane next to us does
not. Um which is a subject of a
[11:20] different discussion. Uh
but uh I I I think if you know it it one
[11:26] of one of the things that concerns me is
in the past it appears as though people
[11:32] have been making decisions about that
area who have never visited it. And uh
[11:37] again open invitation to come take a
look. uh and uh uh I would I would
[11:44] encourage us to have a rational
conversation about what works best for
[11:48] the entire community as we go forward.
[11:52] » Thank you.
>> Yes, chair.
[11:55] » Do you remember the instructions?
>> Well, fortunately, it's still green.
[11:59] » Uh yeah, and sorry, Tony,
>> if I if I could just jump in to say um
[12:03] there is uh and I should have said this
in the beginning, but um we don't
[12:06] normally have we're not normally this
popular. Um if um there is usually a
[12:12] time limit for for comment which is 3
minutes. Y
[12:16] » okay
>> I will abide by the additional
[12:19] instruction.
>> Um two points regarding
[12:23] » sorry your name and your address 222
beach road.
[12:27] » Thank you.
>> So uh two points regarding um building
[12:31] on the strip. One is um the house at 228
Beach Road, which the Murray's currently
[12:37] own, was developed by the Tevises, who
were the original owner, some of the
[12:43] original owners of the Belvadier Land
Company. And you can find in the um
[12:48] historical records the massive staircase
that they built on the hill when the
[12:53] hill was bare that goes over the strip
to the water. They are the people that
[12:58] deeded the strip to the city. So why
would they do something that thought was
[13:05] bad? There's a little um discontinuity
there. The second thing I would say
[13:10] regarding structure is that left to its
own devices, the strip will naturally
[13:16] fall into the water.
It is to the benefit of the city to
[13:22] allow people to put walkways and other
structures and I would say even plants
[13:28] on the strip to maintain the integrity
of the hill.
[13:32] » That's it.
>> Thank you.
[14:16] I'm sorry. Is Am I up?
[14:22] » Not sure if you heard Chris there, but
we can hear you now, Mark.
[14:25] » Oh, I'm sorry. Um, well, um, I I
appreciate the prior comments. Mark
[14:31] Conroe, 310 Beach Road. Um, I I'm my
question, I guess, very fundamentally,
[14:38] is what problem are we trying to solve?
uh it seems like it's uh pedestrian
[14:44] beach access and sort of ir irrespective
of where the strip begins and ends. If
[14:50] that's the goal, then I think we should
be trying to achieve that goal. Uh and I
[14:55] would echo what Bird says is to come out
there to uh have uh anybody who wants
[15:02] two parks and wreck and others to come
out there and see what kind of beach
[15:05] access there is both under various
conditions. under high tide there is
[15:10] really no beach access because the water
comes up to the hillside and and uh as
[15:16] members of the parks and reccks know
four months ago I met with them and
[15:19] trying to facilitate a solution. I think
we came up with a solution as it relates
[15:22] to 310 and 312 beach road in terms of
having access at
[15:28] relative high tide. Um but there is in
some parts of the strip you can't get by
[15:34] certainly at high tide. Um, so again, I
would just h have us try to focus on uh
[15:40] what problem we're trying to solve. If
it's from pedestrian access along the
[15:44] beach, then I think we we can all uh try
to work together and achieve that.
[15:51] That's all.
[15:55] Thank you, Mark.
[16:00] U I I may respond directly to Mark.
Mark. Um I was among the group of people
[16:05] that went with Mark and others and uh
there were city staff and Mika and
[16:09] others went down and visited the spot
where Mark pointed out and um I'll also
[16:13] state that I tried I do personally try
to go down to the strip as much as
[16:15] possible. Even this past weekend I
jumped in at the beach and was swimming
[16:18] with my kids which was a delight. Um uh
one of the things I was going to bring
[16:23] up in my um next comments was relating
to another responsibility of this
[16:30] committee which is to be involved in
planning um commission uh responses to
[16:36] things that are adjacent to parks, open
spaces and lanes. Um I would first like
[16:41] to say thank you to the planning
department for being um very proactive
[16:45] in providing us with these materials and
I think the relationship there is uh
[16:48] really solid in terms of alerting to us
when there is a development along a lane
[16:52] or related to a park. So I think that
that's going well and it's often um it's
[16:58] often on the responsibility of the chair
to review these because this committee
[17:02] does not meet so frequently. So, um
they're representing um you know the
[17:06] stated objectives of park open space
which is to effectively steward the
[17:10] recreational zones, parks, open spaces
and lanes of which the lanes often come
[17:14] up into these considerations as does the
strip. And some of the things that we do
[17:18] look
[19:14] for stewarding these these areas. So I
think there's been lots of useful uh
[19:18] discussion today that'll be really
helpful for that. So thank you.
[19:22] » Can I get clarification? Are you seeking
comment on project?
[19:27] » Uh not at this meeting. I'm more saying
that I'll be working on uh collaborating
[19:31] on a parks open spaces lanes comment on
that project.
[19:36] I would love to have public input if you
if you don't mind.
[19:43] » Yes. Thank you.
>> Just a quick comment from a neighbor.
[19:48] Anything that helps support the
hillside, any peers that keep it from
[19:52] sliding down, that is a huge public
benefit. You mentioned public benefits.
[19:56] If that's what you're looking for, it's
a great project.
[19:58] » I appreciate it. Thank you.
And I'll just also round up by saying
[20:03] that um if anybody has any questions,
they're welcome to contact staff and um
[20:08] uh you know we can provide updates or
let people know where uh where the city
[20:14] is on it.
>> Great. And I you know again thank you to
[20:18] this committee for ongoing work in like
the working on um protecting and and
[20:24] beautifying these areas. So thank you. I
think that covers this item which was
[20:29] item number five. With that um we can
move to item number two which is
[20:34] comments from the chair of which I have
none. Um so let's move on to a report
[20:40] from public works director Tony Boyd.
[20:46] Thank you Chair Charlie.
[20:51] As we all know, we had late rains this
year and we received a flush of growth
[20:55] in vegetation and weeds and the city's
contractor is continuing trimming of
[21:00] vegetation along roadsides and lanes. Uh
this is primarily for fire fuel
[21:04] reduction and additional fire fuel work
is planned for the city's open space
[21:08] properties on West Shore, which will
consist primarily of removal of dead
[21:13] vegetation and debris. Um and Pagota
Lane, where overgrowth of ivy and weeds
[21:18] has created a thicket. This work will
improve the views from Pagod Lane as
[21:23] well as the health of the trees, but it
will likely require consistent
[21:26] additional maintenance over the next
couple of years to really improve the
[21:29] site until routine fire fuel reduction
maintenance is established.
[21:34] Artists View was trimmed a couple of
weeks ago uh in what is now annual fire
[21:38] fuel reduction work on that property.
Speaking of artists view, I can provide
[21:44] the update that structural engineering
design work is complete and the RFP
[21:49] packet has been put together uh to post
the artist view deck project um for
[21:55] bidding. Um look out for the posting on
uh Friday in the Marin INJ and um it'll
[22:02] be on in our usual online channels. The
deadline for bids is July the 30th,
[22:07] after which a contractor will be
selected and provided with a notice to
[22:11] proceed. Staff anticipates this project
to be completed in the fall.
[22:18] The city's crew has been very busy every
Tuesday since the end of June with the
[22:22] curbside pickup program. This program
encourages residents to clear fire fuel
[22:26] vegetation from their property by
offering a free pickup on Tuesdays
[22:30] through June. And this year was a very
big year as many residents clearly took
[22:35] advantage of the program.
As summer starts to warm up, irrigation
[22:40] becomes critical in the parks,
especially where turf is concerned.
[22:46] Alberto and his crew have been working
on issues with the system at Tom Price
[22:50] Park, which has led to dry areas in the
grass. The trouble appears to stem from
[22:55] the manganese deposits that have built
up over the years on the inside of the
[22:58] pipes, valves, and sprinkler heads. The
new manganese filter that was installed
[23:03] last year has improved water quality.
However, the residual deposits remain. A
[23:08] mini project to replace 19 valves is
planned for the next few weeks which
[23:12] will hopefully address this issue as
well as improve the functioning of the
[23:16] system as a whole.
And uh those are my comments and if
[23:22] anyone has any questions they're welcome
to ask.
[23:29] May we have an update on the removal of
the playground mounds,
[23:36] which I I believe is done.
>> Yes. Um well, it's partly done. Um some
[23:40] of the mounds have been removed. Um and
but I can hand it over to Chris for that
[23:44] update.
>> Yes. Just a quick update on the mound
[23:48] removal. So the tan mounds have been
removed. As you probably have seen,
[23:53] there's a remaining wave themed mound
near the tan mounds that will be
[23:57] removed. um in the next week or so. Um
that's just kind of been rescheduled
[24:03] just due to make sure the coloring is
consistent with what is existing and
[24:08] that it's more aesthetically pleasing.
Doesn't look like a repair. That's more
[24:12] of a a a themed um wave. So that's the
update. So in the next um let's see the
[24:20] eth probably by within the next two
weeks it'll be removed and replaced.
[24:24] Thank you Chris.
[24:27] question.
[24:35] » Are there any comments on staff report
from Zoom? Chris,
[24:44] » there are no comments.
>> Are there any comments from the room on
[24:49] staff report?
Okay, we can move on. Okay, we're into
[24:54] schedule items. Number four is the
update and discussion on lanes.
[24:59] Tony, I believe you gave some degree of
update of this in your report, but do
[25:02] you have anything to add for item A?
>> Yeah. Uh, yes, I can add a couple of
[25:08] details um related to maintenance and
repairs. Um, there has been tree work
[25:13] that's taken place and some handrail
repairs. Tree work was completed at Park
[25:17] Lane to improve the views from the new
seating area. Um and I can report that I
[25:22] visited the site with council leaison
Jane Cooper uh to discuss further
[25:26] improvements
um and uh enhance that view uh further.
[25:32] Um more to come on that tree work is
also was also done at the bottom of
[25:36] Hawthorne Lane or Centennial Park uh to
thin the overgrown vegetation, remove a
[25:42] plum tree and cut back two plum trees
where their branches uh were overhanging
[25:47] the pathway.
Um
[25:50] and
yeah, next in line will be Pagota Lane,
[25:55] uh where extensive work is needed for,
uh as I mentioned, both fire fuel
[25:59] reduction and general maintenance. Um
and then trimming around street lights
[26:03] at lane entrances. And I will report
back on these at the next meeting. And I
[26:09] will hand over to Chris for an update on
the handrail repairs as well as
[26:12] improvements to the park lane seating
area.
[26:17] Yeah, quick update on the hand railway
pairs. So, we've completed all those on
[26:21] MLAN Lane except for the ones on I think
we discussed this last meeting on top of
[26:25] near beiew. So, we're still kind of
scoping out how to approach that one
[26:30] because the fire hydrant we can't put
the railing on the new metal railing on
[26:34] that side. There's an existing wood with
private improvements, lighting, water
[26:39] fixtures.
So, that that's still being scoped out.
[26:43] best way to install that. Whether it's
to replace it in wood and kind or to put
[26:48] a metal railing there and then engage
with the neighbor how to relocate those
[26:55] utilities.
[27:00] » All right.
>> And Chris, you have an update on the um
[27:03] park lane seating area?
>> Yes, I do. So, I heard back from the
[27:08] contractor today, the bench brackets,
they have to be fabricated. It's
[27:13] customized because the how it bends down
the lip a little bit. So, right now
[27:17] those are in the shop getting galvanized
for protective coating. Um, so those
[27:22] will be expected to be done next
Thursday
[27:25] and then once they get those back they
can begin with the bench install. So,
[27:29] I'm anticipating the following Monday,
July 20th. Hopefully, they can get
[27:35] started on that and then it shouldn't be
too labor intensive to install that.
[27:39] They said a week, so maybe a week or two
to get that done. So hopefully by the
[27:44] end of July, beginning of August, they
can have that installed.
[27:48] » Thank you.
Well, I had a comment on um the
[27:52] maintenance and repairs on Pigota.
Are you able to describe the the scope
[27:58] of what the work is? Because I know when
you're sitting on that bench, there's a
[28:02] fair degree of overgrowth that's
preventing what could be a rather nice
[28:05] view. So, um are you able to describe
the plan? Yeah.
[28:09] » Um, yes. And without um being there or
having a picture, it's a little tricky,
[28:15] but basically there's uh there's a lot
of ivy uh that's growing up among the
[28:20] trees and um just, you know, blocking uh
a lot of light to the trees. So that the
[28:26] health of the trees is suffering. One of
the trees may need to be removed um
[28:30] because um it only has um foliage at the
very tips of its branches uh with no
[28:37] internal um uh branch structure. Um
um and that's a process that we would
[28:43] need to we will need to go through with
uh the planning department uh to remove
[28:47] a tree. Um but the majority of the work
is removing dead branches, thinning the
[28:53] trees, uh removing brushy vegetation and
ivy uh from the trees. Um there's one um
[29:00] uh area below pagod lane as you as you
walk up from beach road um as you're
[29:06] sort of walking up the hill on the right
hand side there's some there's some
[29:09] vegetation out there. There's actually a
dead tree over there that's kind of
[29:12] hanging over the road. Um and yeah, so
that's that's going to be removed. Um,
[29:17] and yeah, I mean, apart from that, it's
it's thinning and um and removing some
[29:22] of the the um uh scotch broom and some
of the weedy weedy material on the site.
[29:30] » Great. It could be useful to do it
before and after from se sitting at the
[29:33] bench. Um
>> Yeah. Okay.
[29:36] » Yeah, that's that's a great idea. Yeah.
And and one one concern, you know,
[29:41] speaking to Bartlett out there, uh, who
who will be doing the work, um, is that,
[29:47] you know, it's going to leave a lot of
bare soil. Um, and, um, that it's not
[29:53] going to look great. Um, at least
initially, uh, there's going to need to
[29:56] be some some sort of growing back by
some of the vegetation, and that's where
[30:01] a couple of years of of of work comes
in. Um, so this is really a a sort of a
[30:06] three or four year project to to make it
a little bit more groomed. Um, and even
[30:11] though it's a natural uh landscape, it
does need work uh to to uh to be
[30:16] maintained.
[30:20] » Maybe we'll go through items A and B.
Does the committee have any comments or
[30:23] questions on items A and B from this
section?
[30:28] Did we decide not to proceed with any
further landscaping on parkland? Uh
[30:31] mulch or stuff on the side that was part
of the original plan
[30:35] mostly my concern is just stabilization
but I curious
[30:42] » we did not reach a decision. I don't I
don't think I think um mulch I think um
[30:48] aesthetically would be uh would be a
good idea. Um
[30:54] and I think um I think there are quite a
few things that we can do um to improve
[31:00] improve that site. Um
and I think
[31:05] now that we've moved away from that that
area as a project area and as a general
[31:10] maintenance area, I think um you know
general maintenance funding would be uh
[31:14] probably the best way to do that. um
just have smaller maintenance projects
[31:18] out there that um you know cumul
cumulatively improve improve the site.
[31:23] Um and I know that that you um uh you
know that uh we had a couple of emails
[31:29] back and forth about about that site
some of the details there. So I'm happy
[31:33] to to continue that and and pick up
where we left off.
[31:37] » Yeah. Then maybe it go I mean if we're
doing kind of more view stuff maybe it
[31:41] kind of all gets wrapped into one just a
just overall plan versus um kind of bare
[31:46] dirt at this point.
>> Yeah. Happy happy to give some thoughts
[31:49] next time I next Thursday when I sit
down on the nice new bench I'll ponder
[31:52] it.
[31:56] » Any other comments from the committee
council member? Okay. Anyone on Zoom
[32:01] want to comment on item 4 A or 4B?
No comments from Zoom.
[32:07] » Any comments from the room? Okay, let's
go on to item 4C, which is the lane
[32:12] subcommittee update, which largely has
uh become the survey subcommittee. So, I
[32:17] gave a brief update on um the expansion
of that. Um, we originally had talked
[32:22] about earlier in our plan for this year
in our letter to city council that we
[32:26] were going to be expanding our lane
survey which we provided to city staff
[32:30] la last year to inform development of
improvement of lanes as well as
[32:35] maintenance. And Tony, you you've
acknowledged uh the utility of that
[32:38] already. We're going to be expanding
that to cover open spaces and parks and
[32:42] recreation space. Um, with the ask uh to
focus on the strip area first. that's
[32:48] pushed that um to the sort of first part
of our priority in terms of getting the
[32:52] survey done. Um but we're also still
we've built the tracker out for the
[32:57] additional parks and open spaces again
using exhibit six in the Belvadier
[33:02] general plan to inform what those are.
So we're going to go through and
[33:04] hopefully have um as useful of a survey
with photos of the different um city
[33:11] parks and things like that. So that'll
include Centennial Park, um the Oak Mini
[33:16] Park, and some of the other some of the
other areas as well as um this the large
[33:21] park here. So we plan to have that done
by end of the year and that will be part
[33:26] of the package with which we hopefully
present our next report to city council.
[33:30] We'd like to review that internally here
first. So we'll make sure that's done
[33:34] ahead of um ahead of probably our next
meeting, if not the second one. um
[33:39] regarding one of the projects which was
to develop an improved lanes map.
[33:44] Council member Peter Marks offered some
assistance in that regard from a digital
[33:49] perspective and he shared some cool
ideas there. Um I'm now just
[33:52] realistically thinking it might be nice
to incorporate feedback from the rest of
[33:56] the survey into that prior to
endeavoring on updating any maps. I also
[34:00] think this could be useful as the city's
beginning to think about the next major
[34:06] general plan and things like that to try
to be aligned with whatever document we
[34:09] produce could be helpful in that regard.
Um my other update before I go to a
[34:14] question is that I met with Roger Felton
who is um I would say the guru of the
[34:20] lane signs. Uh it was amazing. Um he's
got a lot of a flipboard of every lane
[34:26] sign and who painted it and when. It was
really fun and he and I have been
[34:29] working with city staff on improving
some of the dilapidated lane signs and
[34:33] adding some where they where they are
missing. So, um, we've got that out and
[34:38] thank you to city staff for providing us
with some of the boards to do that and
[34:41] I'm hopeful before the end of the year
we'll get some neat new signs and some
[34:45] improved signs. And that was one of the
things in the survey that we pointed out
[34:47] that some of the beautiful art is fading
away. And then the last thing update I
[34:52] have is we had talked about some
collaboration with some of the emergency
[34:56] preparedness initiatives which I've not
followed up on. I'm wondering Jane if
[34:59] you have any updates on that.
>> Uh no you know uh we didn't have a a be
[35:05] ready belvier meeting in um June
>> and so we're also behind it.
[35:11] » Okay. Okay. Well, we're here.
>> Okay. Okay.
[35:15] » That is my update on item 4 C. Any
comments or questions from the
[35:20] committee?
Okay. Anyone on Zoom?
[35:24] Sorry, Chris. We should have you sit in
that seat.
[35:27] » No, no comments on Zoom.
>> Okay. Any comments from the room?
[35:32] » Yes. Step right up.
[35:38] » Me again. Um, I have a dream and I
actually don't know if it's a lane or
[35:43] not. I I I think it might be strip. It
might not be. Um, but I walk up and down
[35:48] Beach Road quite a bit and as I come up
to the end of those big uh um uh palm
[35:56] trees next to the yacht club and then
you keep up and you look over the edge
[35:59] and you see all the erosion on the
supports for Beach Road and I know you
[36:03] guys get to work on that at some point
in time. Uh but while you're thinking
[36:06] about that, uh I would love for the
someone on the lanes committee to
[36:10] consider uh um making a walkway from the
southernmost palm tree to that lovely
[36:18] beach uh which you could do at a much
better angle with a lot fewer steps than
[36:24] the current metal graded uh walkway that
no dogs can go down. Um and uh uh it it
[36:31] if you could do that in coordination
with uh improving the supports, it's a
[36:36] it's a great little beach that gets very
little use. And uh I just think it's an
[36:41] amazing public a uh uh asset that we're
not uh maximizing. And in terms of of uh
[36:47] use and ability to access the water,
which is what we're all about, I would
[36:52] love it if you guys would consider that.
>> We have the same dream. Um, uh, that's
[36:58] the same beach that I went with, uh, my
kids this weekend. I would say it was
[37:01] not, it was not so easy, uh, to get
there. We went through that sort of deer
[37:05] path. Um, but yeah, uh, in fact, I've
actually seen some historic documents of
[37:10] some sketches of that in our minds, and
I do think that that is within the realm
[37:14] of what we've talked about for the
future, and um, would love to follow up
[37:17] on on suggestions that you or anyone
else might have in that regard. Um,
[37:21] thank you.
Okay.
[37:27] All right, I'll close out this item.
[37:31] We will now move on to item six,
discussion of the 2027 parks, open
[37:36] spaces, lanes report to city council, uh
identifi identification and selection of
[37:41] priority projects, including lane
restoration. So, why is this on here
[37:45] now? It's the middle of the year. This
report is due in January. Um I'm, you
[37:50] know, I I tend to procrastinate much
more than this. It's mainly because we
[37:53] don't meet that frequently. So, we want
to make sure that we're aligned and
[37:55] talking about this. We brought this up
in a previous meeting um using the
[37:59] feedback coming from the lane survey to
drive what our priority was. And I'll
[38:04] I'll remind folks um in prior years
there was uh a whole host of strategic
[38:10] priorities. And then it it uh when
you're prioritizing everything, it
[38:13] became hard for city council to focus on
certain actions. And for the last two
[38:18] years, we've been endeavoring to
identify one priority project. Um, and
[38:23] you know, I'm sort of giving it away
here, but including lane restoration
[38:26] projects when we last discussed um the
there was an idea that we would look at
[38:31] the lane survey results, look at the top
prioritized opportunities for lane
[38:36] improvements and come up with a
suggestion there. I will also say that
[38:39] something else that we said in our
previous letter that is still on the
[38:42] table is the uh improvements to
Centennial Park. Jane, you had some
[38:46] great suggestions on that in a previous
meeting. Um in some of the previous um
[38:53] references I was talking about about
going down to the strip, we actually
[38:56] went down with city staff on one such
lane that was identified in the survey
[39:00] as a high opportunity for water access
and this is Cliff Lane on Beach Road. Um
[39:06] there is a uh walkway to get down. Um,
some of this is some of this uh requires
[39:12] you to go through a sort of passable
gate to get down to it, but then
[39:15] eventually you come to a nice curved
track down that looks like historically
[39:20] this may have been one of the places the
boats and feries went down, but you can
[39:23] basically come all the way down to a
pocket beach. It very much looks like an
[39:26] opportunity for um restoration of one of
these lanes that would give uh water
[39:31] access. And um that's currently near the
top of what I'm I'm thinking of
[39:36] gathering together for this. But of
course, Centennial Park is something
[39:39] we've talked about for a while. Um, and
I wanted to see, you know, between those
[39:43] two or something else if the committee
has other directions that they would
[39:48] like the chair to take in drafting this
report because hopefully the chair,
[39:54] myself, um, at least for the time being,
will be preparing that for our next
[39:58] meeting. So, I'll I'll open it up for
comments or suggestions.
[40:03] » I think those are great and thank you
for all the hard work, Charlie. One
[40:06] thing I mentioned at the last meeting
that I'd like to at least think about
[40:10] for consideration for the 2027 plan is
Belvadier Way. Again, the uh the the
[40:17] road path.
>> Yep.
[40:19] » Um there's massive erosional concerns
under undermining the bench up there.
[40:25] The gates at both end are falling off.
the the the covert is a constant mess um
[40:34] when it comes to winter and getting
clogged and running over the edge and
[40:36] stuff like that. Um so maybe some of
this is general, maybe some of this is
[40:40] more in the purview of of of us, but I
think we should consider that for
[40:44] allocating some some time and energy and
at least discussion.
[40:49] » Thank you for reminding me. I know we
talked about that last time, but I'll
[40:51] I'll include that.
>> John, anything? Oh, I I agree with what
[40:57] you're flagging there and, you know,
just making sure that we're looking at
[41:00] maintenance and where there's, you know,
safe evacuation routes.
[41:04] » Thanks,
>> Wayne or Jane. That rhymes. Anything?
[41:10] » Well, I appreciate all of it. Also, um,
my dream is Centennial Park and cleaning
[41:17] that up, but I love cleaning up
everything. And I think Belvadier Way, I
[41:21] walk up and down that a lot. And it it
is um at times it seems a lot more awful
[41:29] than it is and other times it some
seemed like that erosion was held
[41:33] together but lately it really washed
away. So yeah, it's probably something
[41:39] that deserves focus on that. And then of
course the cliff lane. I did go down
[41:44] that and um I needed to be a little bit
younger but I did it and the steps were
[41:51] a little too wide for me.
>> But um but it seems like there wasn't
[41:58] there was a little bit at the top that
needed help and a little bit at the
[42:01] bottom that needed help and otherwise it
was in great shape. So it seemed worth
[42:05] really fixing up those two areas and
then that's done. Yeah,
[42:09] » that was an that's like an easy one.
>> That's how that's was has been my
[42:13] opinion there, too. So, that's why it
might be it might be nice to prioritize
[42:16] that
>> earlier.
[42:18] » Yeah,
>> Wayne, I see you reaching for your mic.
[42:21] Well, anytime anybody talks about easy
velvet construction,
[42:25] I went I was wondering if if the city's
looked at any of that in terms of what
[42:30] it would take to to bring things up to
code and make that happen just just to
[42:34] have a feel for are we in a in the realm
of budget possibility or is this a dream
[42:40] for our children? I don't know that um
Antonio, you can correct me if there's
[42:45] proactive actions you're taking outside
of recommendations from this group as it
[42:49] relates to restoration projects like
that. I I would expect that
[42:54] investigation could happen after we
direct you to look into this, but could
[42:58] you clarify?
[43:01] » Yeah. Um it's yeah, both both points
here. Um I think it isn't always as easy
[43:09] as it seems. um you know when you have
lanes that in this case have have a gate
[43:15] at the top which uh is used for for a
residence um so to remove that and to
[43:22] establish a a public uh pathway entrance
up there um would be the complication
[43:28] there physically not too difficult to do
but um you know uh having agreement on
[43:34] how that's done would be the would be
the hard part. Um
[43:39] yeah, and that's I I definitely agree
that of the lanes uh on that side of
[43:43] Beach Road, that's one of the few that's
actually a feasible construction
[43:48] project. Um
and it looks like it has served that um
[43:53] you know that's provided that service
before. Um, interesting that it has
[43:59] those um those posts, the black posts
that you see around Balvadier uh the
[44:05] very old railings, the black posts with
the round ball knob on the top. Um that
[44:10] there are some on that lane. Um so it
was clearly uh you know a city um access
[44:16] route at some point. Um, and it would be
it would be I mean it would be wonderful
[44:22] to to bring it back as a um you know
bring it back into the uh facilities
[44:28] that are that are available to
residents. Um yeah, but uh like I say, I
[44:33] mean it's um it's it's sometimes a lot
more nuanced or delicate to to work
[44:38] through the um through the issues of
what's there um and and how it's
[44:43] currently being used.
>> Yeah, I don't know that there was easy.
[44:46] It might just be relative. Um, but uh
maybe I would love with those three
[44:52] things in mind. Of course, I'll open it
up for for feedback, but maybe that's
[44:55] something I can follow up with you on in
terms of at least sketching out high
[44:59] level what um like a budget might look
like at a high level for those three
[45:03] things that we talked about. Um, and I
realize there's a lack of specificity
[45:07] particularly around Belvadier Way and
additionally Centennial Park, but maybe
[45:10] that's something you and I can
collaborate on, Tony.
[45:14] » Yeah, absolutely. Um yeah, I think um
yeah,
[45:21] as far as bringing it up to code, um I
don't think very many of the lanes are
[45:25] up to code. Um they're rustic, you know,
pathways and trails. So, um I think a
[45:31] budget could be, you know, very a very
realistic, you know, we we should be
[45:36] able to put one together fairly fairly
easily. Um and yeah, be happy to do
[45:41] that.
>> Thank you. Yeah, we I think we had
[45:42] discussed maybe like the sort of
railroad tie style approach which seems
[45:46] to be like replacing some of the stuff
that may have already existed and
[45:49] deteriorated at the top, but then as
Jane talked about, most of the rest of
[45:53] it with the exception of the the
staircase down is seemingly in in very
[45:58] good shape.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[46:00] » Right.
>> What's the property address that's goes
[46:03] with the gate? I don't know if the top
>> I I think it's 270.
[46:08] » Okay.
And we have had gates before on
[46:13] revocable licenses areas as long as
they're never locked and they're always
[46:19] open. Then um I think I remember one of
those on an upper side of Beach Road,
[46:26] not the not the beach side, but the
other one. And there was a long
[46:30] discussion about as long as the gate is
always left unlocked for public access
[46:35] should there be a need for it. So, I
don't know that you actually I mean
[46:40] that's a discussion and something to
find out about if we need to remove the
[46:44] gate or just make sure that it's always
open. And then of course there's no sign
[46:49] there so it no one would ever know it
was lane.
[46:53] » I if we were to endeavor on this as the
priority and we move forward,
[46:58] » we would put a sign, right? I'm
assuming. Yeah. And quick correction, I
[47:01] think it's 290.
>> Okay.
[47:03] » Oh, 290. Okay.
I think I think the address with
[47:11] » with the gate
>> with the gate is 290 not 270. Yeah.
[47:15] » Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah, I think it's 290. That that
[47:20] rings a bell. All right. Um, thank you
for this. I I feel empowered to with
[47:27] your ideas and and comments. Um, I'll
open it up to Zoom.
[47:35] No comments on Zoom.
>> Okay. Are there any comments from the
[47:38] room?
>> Okay,
[47:43] fantastic. Uh, we are now on item seven,
update on fiscal year 2026 27 capital
[47:50] improvement project requests. Tony,
would you take it away, please? Excuse
[47:55] me. Yes, absolutely. Um, this is really
just um I realized that um I I probably
[48:03] mentioned this before, so it's a it's an
update, but um u the the committee is
[48:08] not always aware of of the the CIP fund
funding um mechanism and how it does
[48:14] approve projects in the park. Um so just
an update on on what has been approved
[48:18] for this year. uh community park
restroom um has an upgrade and uh the
[48:24] community park ir uh irrigation well uh
which has been in the works for a while
[48:29] but um that uh has been funded and um
and then the two smaller maintenance
[48:34] ones are San Rafale Avenue uh pathway
improvements um which is just repairs to
[48:40] the the DG path out there um and then
the mulch uh replacement out there too
[48:45] um as a as a small CIP fund
So those will be happening and we're
[48:51] strategizing uh on how to get these
completed uh in the next few weeks.
[48:56] Well, the strategizing is happening in
the next few weeks, not the not the
[49:01] projects.
Um on the San Rafale Avenue
[49:06] improvements, since you brought it up,
the rocks
[49:12] that went in at the end where we are
adjacent to Tibon's property. So there's
[49:17] the culvert where the stream comes out.
Is that there? Who did that? Did we do
[49:22] that or did Tibbron do that?
>> That was
[49:24] » uh that was a Tibberon project. Yeah.
Yeah, there's a part of that. So the uh
[49:29] the jurisdiction line is is very close
to that. And um there was a part of that
[49:34] section was collapsing. So they did a a
project to just shore it up.
[49:39] » Yeah. Thank you.
>> Can I ask for details on the restroom
[49:43] improvements?
Um Well, I don't really have any
[49:48] details. Um, but um
yeah, I I uh will happily uh provide an
[49:54] update and um but what I can say is is
that um we are getting an architect on
[49:59] board. Um there's there there's a
renovation in the police department as
[50:03] well that's also been approved. Um so
we'd like to get an an architect on
[50:07] contract that can do uh work on both of
them. Um, and yeah, as soon as we have
[50:12] some some plans and and some concepts,
um, be happy to share them.
[50:17] » Um, just reminding of feedback that we
previously received around adding purse
[50:21] hooks in the stalls.
Um, and that might be possible to do
[50:26] sooner rather than later. Um, and also
just checking in on baby changing areas.
[50:32] » Thank you for the reminder.
>> Okay,
[50:36] » great. Uh, any other comments on this
item from the committee?
[50:42] Anything on Zoom, Chris?
>> No questions from Zoom.
[50:46] » Any comments from the room? No. Okay,
here we go. Item eight, discussion and
[50:52] possible motion on new committee chair
and vice chair.
[51:00] No one's No one's
>> that discussion is always very quiet.
[51:03] » Exactly. Was waiting. Um, yeah. So, this
committee meets infrequently. Um, I
[51:10] believe last time we talked about the,
you know, the term being eligible for
[51:14] two years. I don't know exactly when the
start date ends and whatnot, but it
[51:18] might we're we're approaching the cycle
where I'll be hitting two years as
[51:23] chair. I know having read the code I can
switch over to vice chair or someone
[51:28] else could step into that and you can
alternate between those two roles but it
[51:32] um it either is time or will be time
soon for uh someone to become the new
[51:37] chair.
[51:41] » Yes sir.
>> So I'd like to start with that's very
[51:43] disappointing.
>> You've done a great job.
[51:46] » Thank you. So, uh, it shouldn't go
without being said that if you get a
[51:52] third year, I'd still put you there.
>> Thank you.
[51:56] » I second that.
[52:00] » Did we
I'm forgetting stuff.
[52:05] Um, did we look at the terms? We did
that a couple meetings ago when we
[52:08] looked at the terms and we thought about
amending the terms.
[52:11] Is this anybody recalling this? Did did
we ever go anywhere with that as far as
[52:17] clarifying or amendments and did that
get pushed through?
[52:21] » Yes, it did. And um it uh it was changed
to a two-year term um as the uh I think
[52:31] one year is um standard. It can be
extended to two years if I remember
[52:36] correctly and after which a new chair
would be uh would be in place and that
[52:42] previous chair can return at some point
to be chair again.
[52:49] » So term a term limit of of two two
terms. Yeah. So Tony, when is the date
[52:56] by which we need to?
Do you know? Is it this meeting? We have
[53:01] to
>> It got It was confused because Jenna
[53:03] left. The previous chair left to go to
planning. So I don't know when I don't
[53:08] know when exactly it was. I'm sure it
could be figured out.
[53:12] » Yes. Um I'm sure it can. And um I'd be
happy to just get that clarified. Um
[53:20] » well just to make it easy is the thought
we need a new chair by next meeting.
[53:25] » I think that would be good to aim for.
Yes. Um I I think if there's any reason
[53:29] that it's not we can um skip that that
item on the next agenda. Um but I think
[53:36] it's on the agenda for discussion at
this meeting and at the next meeting um
[53:40] we should plan to u have a have a
nomination and a vote. So, I think one
[53:46] of the things that we keep running into
in the city is all the different start
[53:50] and stop dates of committee chairs. And
um I was just thinking since we're by
[53:57] the time we have another one or two
meetings that the city council makes all
[54:02] their changes on the you know who
becomes mayor, vice mayor, etc. every
[54:07] meeting in December
and so you don't have to think about it
[54:11] ever. It's always December. So maybe we
want to line up with that. So it would
[54:15] be a couple more months, but um like
maybe in if we have I forget if we have
[54:21] a meeting in November or early December,
then that would be the appropriate time
[54:25] and then we'd get on a schedule and then
I think it would be great if we could
[54:29] get planning commission also on the same
schedule and it would just make it
[54:34] easier for everybody instead of having
to remember all the different stop and
[54:38] start dates of each committee. I
definitely agree.
[54:42] » So, I don't know. Just I'm just throwing
it out there as a thought.
[54:45] » That would be that would be December.
>> December.
[54:48] » And then when Charlie, when do you
report? When do you submit or sorry,
[54:52] when do we submit our uh report?
>> We present I believe in Feb.
[54:56] » The Feb meeting.
>> I think it would be largely drafted at
[55:01] that point.
>> Okay.
[55:02] » That's all I'm solving for is kind of
handoff at the 11th hour.
[55:08] effectively it's meant to represent the
>> the prior year
[55:10] » the prior year so it'll be a report and
then this um
[55:14] » and then I think also during that
presentation I would be as former chair
[55:18] could come and comment on certain
sections and maybe like maybe I would
[55:21] give I could give a report on the
previous year and then the new chair
[55:24] could give an update on the priority for
the next year and that might be a nice
[55:27] passing of the baton.
So, I would be supportive of that we put
[55:32] this on that December agenda and then
just mark it for December turnovers.
[55:37] » Okay, I'm fine with that.
>> Okay,
[55:44] I guess is there a motion to make a
decision and switch chairs in December?
[55:51] » I move that we move in December to
switch chairs.
[55:55] » Is there a second? Second. All in favor?
I
[55:58] » I Yes. I Okay, fantastic. There any
comments on Zoom from that illuminating
[56:04] discussion?
>> There's no comments from
[56:07] » Are there any comments from the room?
Surprise. All right. Um, perfect. We're
[56:12] moving on to future items. Discussion of
possible items to be placed on the
[56:16] agenda of upcoming meetings. One thing
that did come to mind for me was whether
[56:21] or not this group, we've had a lot of
challenges scheduling this and it feels
[56:27] somewhat ad hoc. And I wonder if a um
well, it's not ad hoc, it feels ad hoc.
[56:32] Um to clarify it. I wonder if we might
consider a more regular schedule perhaps
[56:38] six times a year or five times a year
and it's like every third x every third
[56:43] Thursday or something like that. I I I
think um that would help some of this
[56:49] dialogue move along, I think. Um and
hopefully it would help with
[56:52] availability and things like that to
just bake this into your collective
[56:55] schedule. So, um right now we're on the
deck to meet four times. I would
[57:00] consider bumping that to five, if not
six, and then have maybe if it's six, it
[57:04] could be every other month on some
Wednesday or something like that. Don't
[57:07] need to debate it now, but that is my
proposal that we think about that and
[57:10] that be an agenda item for the future.
Okay.
[57:16] And try I'd love the the next time to be
able to talk about
[57:20] the budget for each of the the
priorities just so we know what's in the
[57:24] realm of possibility.
>> Great.
[57:28] » That will help with the report to city
council.
[57:30] » You mean the the each of the three
things we talked about? Okay.
[57:39] » And when I say budget, how much would be
parks and lanes? How much would be
[57:42] maintenance
standard maintenance of how it would be
[57:47] divided up?
>> Great.
[57:51] I'd love in the next meeting to get an
update from John. I know that you had
[57:54] been had some level of dialogue with the
Tibrron Parks Commission as it relates
[57:59] to opening up different access points in
Tibbron. So, if you could provide an
[58:04] update in the next meeting, that would
be helpful.
[58:06] » Absolutely. And MA is going to meet with
uh the Tan representatives in the coming
[58:11] week. Okay,
[58:15] Tony, do you have any items on your on
your docket?
[58:20] » No, I think that's a pretty good list.
>> Okay. Yeah.
[58:22] » Anyone else, Jane, or others? No. Okay.
Anyone on Zoom have any ideas?
[58:29] » Uh, no, they don't.
>> Okay.
[58:32] Any suggestions? No. Okay. With that,
we've moved on to open forum. This is an
[58:38] opportunity for any citizen to briefly
address the parks and open space
[58:41] committee on any matter that does not
appear in this agenda. Upon being
[58:44] recognized by the chair, please state
your name, address, and limit your oral
[58:47] statement to no more than three minutes.
Matters that appear to warrant a more
[58:51] lengthy presentation or committee
consideration may be agendaized for
[58:54] further discussion at a later meeting.
First, turn to Zoom. Is there anyone who
[58:58] would like to speak in the open forum?
>> There is no one on Zoom that wants to
[59:03] speak.
>> Sad. Um, anyone in the room? I knew it.
[59:09] Okay. Um, you you've heard the
instructions.
[59:13] » Three minutes and counting. Start the
timer.
[59:18] » Started yet. There we go. Um, I know you
discussed paddle board access. Um, and
[59:25] something that I would love to see which
doesn't necessarily get to paddleboard
[59:29] access is the corner of what I think is
Main Street and Beach Road. Uh, I
[59:34] believe somebody said there was actually
a plan which uh was based off of
[59:39] something in Denmark which had some
steps that went down to that beach. Um,
[59:44] and you could even make kind of a higher
place to step over so you get a bit of a
[59:48] retaining wall there as well. I would
love to see that beach accessible. Uh, I
[59:52] know parking is a bit of a concern
because people are worried people might
[59:56] bring in paddle boards. I actually have
a picture if anyone wants to see it of a
[1:00:00] gentleman taking a kayak out there. Uh
he was kneedeep uh and that's to the top
[1:00:05] of his knee in muck. So uh unless you're
at high tide, nobody's going in and out
[1:00:09] of there with paddle board. Uh the beach
though is a lovely little place. It I
[1:00:13] could see a grandkid or a dog having a
great time. I don't think it would
[1:00:17] create a parking problem because I don't
think it's going to be a big paddleboard
[1:00:21] access point except occasionally uh at
high tide. Um but just anything that can
[1:00:27] get people closer to the water I'm in
favor of. So, one minute and whatever.
[1:00:32] But
[1:00:36] » I think technically we think of it as
AR, but I think technically it's
[1:00:40] » Yeah.
>> You're the three-way intersection,
[1:00:45] right? It's a three-way intersection
there. The other road coming from
[1:00:48] Woodlands.
[1:00:52] » Okay.
Thank you. Is there a motion to adjurnn?
[1:01:00] Yes. I'll I'll move to adjurnn. Is there
a second?
[1:01:05] » Second. All in favor?
>> I
[1:01:08] » I We are journed.
[1:01:19] I love this.