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Belvadier City Council meeting for

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Monday, July the 13th. Beth, can you

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call the role?

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» Council member Cooper

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» Present.

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» Council member Burke

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» Here.

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» Uh, Mayor Wilkinson

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» Present.

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» Council member Mark

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» Here.

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» Council member Carropet here.

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» Great. We will um adjourn into close

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session. Do I have to read the items or

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not? No. Okay.

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Sorry, not awake. Can is there any

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public comment on the close session

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agenda items?

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» There are no public present. Okay. Thank

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you. And we will adjourn.

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Great. I will reconvene our um

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city council meeting for Monday, July

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13th. There is nothing to report out

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from the close session.

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Um we will therefore move on to um item

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number three, which is reports and

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presentations. So firstly, city council

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reports. Does any council member have a

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report?

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Okay. Um, so I attended the um RBR

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meeting um this month and or actually

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last week and um we were um uh able to

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um receive funds from the Marin

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Community Foundation

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um to a grant um for the monitoring of

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the eel grass with a new submersible um

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device

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and also that the um county added to

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their 2627th budget the $300,000

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shortfall for the housing in um the

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current RBR um budget. And a big thank

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you went to Supervisor Stephanie

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Molton Peters for her championing this

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with the county and for um future county

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um resources um to provide um the

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housing u portion of RB's um mandate.

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That's it.

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Anybody else? Jane,

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» Council member Carropia and I attended

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the annual Abag meeting in June and

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unfortunately the report from them about

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the um housing element number seven um

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was not very positive. uh they think the

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numbers are going to go up and they also

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said on what they considered plus side

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that the state will be releasing the

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numbers HCD will be releasing the

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numbers a year earlier than they did in

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the past and that um uh jurisdictions

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should consider

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uh beginning their process as soon as

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they hear what their number is and not

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wait even though uh the date that

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element six is finished is uh 2031.

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So they were recommending people start

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even as soon as 2728

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uh given that the number will be given

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out at that point.

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So not a fun meeting but we were there.

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That's it. Thank you.

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» Anybody else?

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» Nothing to report.

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» Uh okay. I just wanted to uh report

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briefly on um marine clean energy or MCE

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as it's now known. Um I serve as

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Bvadier's representative um to the

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agency and MCE provides electricity

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generation to almost all residents in

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Balvadier. Um it's gone through some

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pretty significant changes over the last

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month. Um there was a very critical

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grand jury report that was published. Um

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and the longtime CEO um departed from

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the agency in the past month as well. Um

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it's a challenging time for marine clean

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energy but I regard these um changes as

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an opportunity to strengthen MCE and the

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board is working aggressively to

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hire has hired an independent governance

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consultant to look at the board

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structure um as well as put in place a

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search committee to look for a permanent

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CEO. Um, sitting on this board, I have

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always advocated for um, strong

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governance and procurement decisions

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that balance affordability, reliability

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and our climate goals and I will

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continue to do so and do think that

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these changes while difficult will will

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lead in that direction.

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Um, if nobody has any further comment

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from the dis, can I see whether there's

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any public comment on city council

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reports?

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Seeing none in the room, is there

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anything online?

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» Mayor Wilkinson, there are no hands

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raised.

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» Great. In that case, we'll move on to

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3B, which is our city manager report.

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Robert?

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» Yes. Good evening, mayor and council

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members. Uh we do have a full agenda

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tonight, so I'll be brief. I wanted to

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point out a new item category on the

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agenda this evening. It's number seven,

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future agenda items. Uh many, many

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agencies include this as part of the

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regular meetings. I think it's a helpful

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tool and a transparent way for council

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members to suggest issues or topics for

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future consideration. I'll describe the

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functionality and parameters of that

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item as we get to it later this evening.

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Uh switching gears, Malard Point has

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seen some significant movement in the

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past month. After confirming with legal,

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the city has determined that most of the

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conditions of approval for the

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demolition permit have been met. Staff

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held a community meeting last Thursday

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to discuss the nuances of the project

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with residents and answer questions. The

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city committed to double-checking again

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that all the conditions of approval for

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the permit have been satisfied and also

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posting some requested documents to the

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city's website. As of today, we do

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expect to issue the permit very soon.

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One ongoing challenge with this project

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has been communicating uh complex ideas

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and consistent updates to the community.

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To address this, the city has

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established a working group that will

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meet weekly to review the project

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status, timelines, deliverables, and

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community inquiries. On the Monday

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following each meeting, the group will

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issue a weekly update to community

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members subscribed to the Malard Point

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updates. Members of the working group

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group will include the director of

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planning, the building official, city

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engineer, and council members Burke and

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Mark.

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Um, in the meantime, the community

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members can submit questions or feedback

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via the report an issue feature that is

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on the city's website. So, that's all I

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have for now. I'm happy to take

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questions.

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» Do council members have any questions

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for our city manager?

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» Um, I did have one question about Malard

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Point. Um I know that there was a lot of

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comments at the meeting on meeting the

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COAs as you mentioned and I know in the

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past our engineer Mr. Mo had written

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completeness

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letters his most recent one was June

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22nd but I wondered if he had written a

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completeness letter for what's um what's

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complete this point. Is he planning on

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doing that or not?

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» Yes, I'm guessing it's coming soon.

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» At this point, we um

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he's finished his sort of completeness

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check and it has been deemed

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complete. However, we are double triple

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checking all of the conditions of

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approval. So, there will not be another

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completeness or incompleteness letters.

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» So, they're really incompleteness

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letters, not completeness letter.

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» Exactly. Okay, thanks for explaining

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that.

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» Sure.

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» Any other questions from council

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members?

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Seeing none, let's open this up for

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public comment. If anyone would like to

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make public comment, please come up to

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the stand

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although it's not required. If you

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wouldn't mind uh just saying your your

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your name and limit your comment to

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three minutes, please.

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» Yes, of course.

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and speaking to the mic, please. Is it

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on?

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» Is it on now? No. Yeah.

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» Closer.

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» Closer. Yes. Like that. Okay.

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» Thank you.

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» Um, good evening, council members and

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mayor Wilkinson. My name is Robin

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Watson, and I'm speaking on behalf of

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the Beladier Residents for Intelligent

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Growth, Brig. On July 9th, our attorney

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sent Director Marwick a detailed letter

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about the Malard Point demolition

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permit. That letter isn't a request to

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open the Malard Point approval. It asks

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the city to do something much simpler.

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Explain its reasoning in writing before

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22 homes come down and their residents

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displaced. Specifically, we asked the

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city to confirm that the June tenative

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map extension did not approve standalone

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demolition. We ask for a determination

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on whether demolishing first before the

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final map, infrastructure, and bulkhead

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work is a minor detail or a material

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change to the project as it was

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approved.

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And we asked the city to confirm that

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conditions marked pending or not needed

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on the compliance table are actually

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satisfied, not just checked off. None of

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this is complicated. It's simply asking

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the city to show its work. Right now,

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residents have a spreadsheet with check

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marks and no explanation. That's not

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enough when the decision is

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irreversible.

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Again, we're not asking the council to

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deny this permit outright at this time.

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We're asking that before it is issued,

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the city respond in writing to each of

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the six requests in our letter and that

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our letter be placed in the

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administrative record. Belvadier

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residents deserve to see the reasoning,

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not just the result.

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» Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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» Is there any other public comment?

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» Good evening. My name is Randy Binstock

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and I'm a Belvadier Lagoon resident and

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have been since 1984.

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I want to ask a simple question tonight.

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Why is there a rush to issue this

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demolition permit right now?

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The city's own June 8th staff report

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said the demolition permit, the

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infrastructure permit, and the bulkhead

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permit were not before the council.

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Staff said the applicant hadn't yet met

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all the required conditions. And yet,

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weeks later, we're told a compliance

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table shows everything is basically

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ready to go. Demolishing 22 homes is not

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something you can undo. Once those

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structures come down, there's no putting

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them back. If it turns out the

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sequencing wasn't authorized or the

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bulkhead work stalls or financing falls

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through. So, what is the harm in slowing

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down and making sure the conditions of

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approval are truly met? If the city is

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confident every condition is truly met,

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not just normally checked off, but

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backed by complete reviewed and publicly

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available materials, then a short delay

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costs nothing. But if the rush is

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because of pressure from the applicant's

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schedule, that is not good enough to

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it's not a good enough reason to accept

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the risk of a demol demolitioned

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unstable half-finished waterfront site.

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We're asking the council to direct staff

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to take the time needed to make these um

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determinations properly in public before

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any permit is released. Since it was the

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city council's decision to deny SQL

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involvement, the city took on the entire

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responsibility to make sure that the

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environmental conditions of approval are

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met and that the lagoon remains in the

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pristine condition it is today. Before

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any permit is released, please slow down

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and get it right. Thank you.

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» Thank you. Do we have any other public

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comment in the room?

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» Good evening,

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Mayor Wilkinson and city council. My

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name is Kathy Store and I'm a resident

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here in Belvadier. Um, I want to talk to

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you about what actually happens on the

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ground if this goes wrong. First, the

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Belvadier Lagoon, the bulkheads along

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this site are old and the Army Corps

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authorization for that work has already

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expired. The applicant's own materials

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say there's no construction or drainage

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worth including drainage work included

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in that permit in this permit. But

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demolition equipment operating right

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next to the aging unpermitted bulkheads

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is not nothing. If those bulkheads are

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dis are disturbed or destabilized during

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demolition, we could see erosion,

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sediment, and water quality impacts in

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the lagoon that this permit was never

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evaluated against. Second, think about

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what this site looks like if

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construction doesn't follow on schedule.

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This applicant has told the city there

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is no material change to its plans, but

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it's now proposing to knock down 22

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homes as a standalone first phase with

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the final mapping, financing,

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infrastructure, and bulkhead

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replacement, all still unresolved. If

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any of those pieces stall and big

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waterfront projects stall all the time,

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Belvadier is left with a fenced, vacant,

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demolished lot on the lagoon. Not for

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months, potentially for years. We are

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asking the council to require a real

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stabilization plan and a bond big enough

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to actually secure the site, not just

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cover debris debris removal, so that if

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this project stalls, Belvadier isn't

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left holding an eyesore and an

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environmental risk on the waterfront.

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Thank you.

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» Thank you. Do we have anybody else?

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Jill Barnett. And um I've been coming to

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these meetings and coming to these

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meetings because I want to keep trying

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to understand what the rules are for

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this project,

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what they require and whether they are

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being consistently followed. One

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condition says, let me read it. All

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demolition and site work including

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cleaning

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clearing of all debris and materials

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from the site shall be completed within

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75 days of issuance of a demolition

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permit. So that's 75 days. All

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demolition and site work including

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clearing of all debris and materials

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from the site shall be completed within

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75 days of issuance of a demolition

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permit. That's not just the building

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demolition. It says all demolition and

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clearing of debris and materials from

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the site. But the current demo permit

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application is only for the buildings,

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not for the bulkheads, not the roadway,

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not the utilities, not the docks. Those

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demolition permits are still to come or

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pending with unresolved technical

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issues. various approvals and expired

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agency authorization still being worked

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out. So, here's the question. How

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exactly does a 75day clock work uh work

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when major parts of all demolition and

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site work aren't even part of this demo

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permit? Is it the city applying the

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75day deadline only to this particular

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demolition permit? And doesn't that

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contradict the condition as it's

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written?

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Then what if the rest of the demolition

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work can't realistically happen in 75

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days? What happens to the site after 75?

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If bulkhead permits, site improvements,

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final map approval are still pending.

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Will it be left vacant until the

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bulldozers move in again? Before the

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demolition permit is issued, we're

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asking the city to require the applicant

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to show in writing a realistic schedule

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that actually accounts for all for the

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full scope of demolition work the

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condition requires, not just the portion

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that's convenient to schedule first.

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That seems like a reasonable request to

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make sure the city is following its own

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rules. Thank you.

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» Thank you, Jill. Is there any more

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comment in the room? Seeing none, is

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there any comment online?

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» There are no hands raised.

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» Great. In that case, we'll move on to

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3C, which is our police chief report.

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Jason, good evening.

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Just one second, please.

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Ready?

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Thank you. Good evening, Mayor

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Wilkinson, council members. Tonight, I

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am pleased to present the police

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department second quarter report for

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2026.

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During this quarter, the department

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handled 819

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incidents, which included zero part one

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offense

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and four part two offenses. The

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remaining 815 incidents were classified

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as all other incidents.

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Also during this quarter, the department

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conducted 33 traffic stops, made one

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arrest, referred one case for

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prosecution, and assisted Tibrron Police

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Department on two occasions.

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During this quarter, we also updated 27

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flexible policies in alignment with best

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practices or legislative updates. And

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these updates are detailed in the staff

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report.

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And regarding our RIPA data, officers

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detained 35 individuals stemming from 33

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traffic violations, one suspicious

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activity, and one court order violation.

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The perceived racial compositions

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consist of 26 Caucasians, seven

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Hispanics, one Asian, and one black. Of

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these 35 contacts, 33 were officer

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initiated while two were related to

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calls for service. In all, BPD issued

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seven citations, gave 26 warnings, made

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one arrest, and one a no action taken.

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» During this quarter, PD personnel also

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attended inerson or online training that

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were either mandated or for knowledge

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and skill enhancements.

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And lastly, as part of our community

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policing, we always take great pride and

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joy in participating in community

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events. And al just want to update,

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unrelated to our quarterly report

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updates, uh the PD is currently working

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with HR on the open announcement to fill

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the three-year term police officer

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position along with reserve officers

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positions. And with that, I'm available

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for questions.

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» Thank you, Chief W. Does any council

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member have a question?

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» Thank you, Chief. I appreciate that

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update. On your previous slide, you

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mentioned uh assist Tibberon officers

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who are two for this quarter. Do you

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have the reciprocal reverse of that? How

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many times did Tibon assist us?

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» Um, no. I have not been tracking those.

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However, I could start tracking those.

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» I'd just be curious. It' be interesting

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to see, you know, on a reciprocal basis

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how that works. Thank you.

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» Okay.

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» Any other questions?

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Seeing none, um Jason just like to

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comment again that um the increased

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patrols around the community are very

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much appreciated by many people in the

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community. So, thank you very much for

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um for organizing that.

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» Thank you for your kind words.

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» Um okay, let's open to public comment in

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the room.

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Seeing none, do we have anything online?

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» There are no hands raised.

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» Okay, great. Okay, we'll now move to

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item 3D, which I think most people in

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this room are here for. So, sorry to

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keep you waiting this long. Um, this is

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for the swearing and ceremony for the

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promotion of police officer Katie Cullen

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to sergeant. So, I think this is for

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you, Jason.

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» Thank you very much. Honorable Mayor

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Wilkinson, council members, and

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distinguished guests. We are here

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tonight to celebrate a major milestone

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for our department and our city. We are

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not only swearing in a new police

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sergeant, but we are also swearing in

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the first ever female police sergeant in

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the history of the Belair Police

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Department.

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It is with great pleasure that I present

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Katie Colin to the city council and the

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community as Belvadier's newest

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sergeant. Before I continue, I'd like to

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acknowledge the presence of Katie's

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parents, Captain Tom Colin, and Mary,

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siblings, Theres, Kelly, and Brian,

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Tibrron, Fire Captain Mark Fitzgerald,

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and other very close friends from

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Belvadier PD, Sheriff's Office, Mil

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Valley PD, and Tibrron PD, including her

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boyfriend, Patrick Kerslake, who will do

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the honor of pinning Sergeant Cullen's

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new badge.

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Katie began her law enforcement career

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with the Marin County Sheriff's Office

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in 2016 where she served as a deputy and

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a hostage negotiator.

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Since 2019, Katie expressed her interest

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in being part of the Belvadier Police

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Department. She was eventually appointed

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as a Belvadier police officer in May of

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2022.

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Since coming on, she has served as

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patrol officer, vehicle maintenance

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officer, certified crisis intervention

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officer, and field training officer,

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where she hoped to shape the next

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generation of officers for the

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department. In her new role, I have no

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doubt that Katie will represent the

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future of the department through her

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dedication to membership, mentorship,

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and training, commitment to community

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caretaking, and her desire for

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betterment of the community and the

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police department.

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One of the greatest honors for a police

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chief is the promotion of a highly

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qualified member within the department.

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And with that said, I would like to

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bring up Sergeant Colin and Patrick to

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take the oath of office.

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» Can I ask who our youngest audience

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member is here?

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do so.

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the will of the

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» Constitution of the United States

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» And the Constitution of the State of

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California

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» Against all enemies, foreign and

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domestic allies

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» That I will bear truth, faith, and

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allegiance

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» To the Constitution of the United States

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» The United States

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» And the Constitution of

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that I take this obligation freely

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» Without any mental reservation

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» Or purpose of evasion

556
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,400
» And that I will well and faithfully

557
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,400
discharge

558
00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:18,760
» The duties upon which I'm about to

559
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,760
enter.

560
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,960
Yes.

561
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,200
Yeah.

562
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,400
and staff is available for any

563
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,640
questions.

564
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,279
» Do we open this for Do we open this for

565
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,720
public comment or not?

566
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,840
» Yes. Okay, we'll see if there's any

567
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,600
public comment in the room.

568
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,400
» Seeing none. Is there any online?

569
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,640
» I see none.

570
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,640
» Okay, great. Congratulations, Katie. And

571
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,000
I think you are all free to go and have

572
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:41,159
your beer or whatever it is next.

573
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,159
» Thank you.

574
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,799
That's right.

575
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,640
Okay, we will move on to item 3E which

576
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,880
is an update on the beachro seaw wall

577
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,799
stabilization project. Tony, I guess

578
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,279
this this is from you. Okay, great. Go

579
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:38,799
ahead.

580
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,760
» Thank you, mayor, and good evening

581
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:43,679
council members. As you are aware, the

582
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,520
beach road stabilization project has

583
00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:47,840
been in the works for some time now and

584
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,960
is planned to move forward in the next

585
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:53,360
few weeks. Despite a late potential

586
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,919
stumbling block, the oversight committee

587
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:58,320
has met three times in person in

588
00:27:55,919 --> 00:28:00,480
February, March, and May, and staff

589
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,760
provided an update by memorandum to the

590
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,840
committee in June. City council approved

591
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,159
the award of the construction project uh

592
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,039
construction contract to Gordon N. ball

593
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:12,799
construction in April and at that time

594
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,760
the outstanding milestones for the

595
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:17,520
project were temporary construction

596
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,039
easements from the property owners of

597
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,000
the three buildings over the water on

598
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:25,200
Beach Road, environmental permits from

599
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,600
the Army Corps of Engineers and BCDC

600
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,600
and PG& schedule of work for completing

601
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,600
their utility modifications in the

602
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,960
roadway which are necessary before the

603
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,480
sheet pile wall can be installed.

604
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,399
In addition, staff were working with

605
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,559
Hadley Construction to determine how

606
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:42,159
best to address the three gangways and

607
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,320
utilities at the buildings over the

608
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:46,000
water which were required to be removed

609
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,520
and replaced for the sheet pile

610
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,679
installation.

611
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,760
This aspect of the project has proved to

612
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:54,320
be a complicated coordination of

613
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,720
carpentry and different utility services

614
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,480
both private and public and the cost

615
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,720
estimates from Hadley continued to

616
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,840
change as they grappled with the details

617
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,720
and scope of the work. Because of this,

618
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,480
the engineering team changed tack on how

619
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,039
to approach this element of the project

620
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,600
and landed on a solution which utilizes

621
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,760
soil injection of permeation grout

622
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,320
behind the seaw wall at each gangway

623
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,080
entrance. This will allow the gangways

624
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,559
and utilities to remain in place for the

625
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,960
duration of construction resulting in

626
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,640
far fewer utility disruptions for the

627
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,399
residents.

628
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,559
The actual costs of this method have

629
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:32,960
been difficult to quantify as exact

630
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,799
quantities of permeating grout to be

631
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,960
used are unknown. However, the

632
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,720
contractor's estimates put the costs in

633
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,360
the same ballpark as the Hadley's

634
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,039
estimates which are within budget.

635
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Although a small portion of the budgeted

636
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:47,120
construction contingency may be

637
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,440
required.

638
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,440
Returning to the project at large, the

639
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,039
easement agreements have been signed and

640
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,200
the environmental permits are now in

641
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:57,279
hand and staff has held a meeting with

642
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,159
the most impacted residents in the homes

643
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:01,760
over the water. A notification letter to

644
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:04,399
residents informing them of the traffic

645
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,440
and parking parking impacts was due to

646
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:10,000
be mailed last week. However, a change

647
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,240
in PG&'s schedule emailed to the city

648
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,760
last Wednesday pause the project

649
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,679
schedule.

650
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,799
P Geni informed the city that their crew

651
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:21,840
was delayed by 3 weeks and instead of

652
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:24,399
starting work on the 13th of July today,

653
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,720
they could only start on August the 3rd

654
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:30,000
with an anticipation an anticipated

655
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,240
completion date of August the 14th.

656
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,720
This would have pushed the Gordon Ball

657
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,520
uh the Gordon Nball schedule beyond the

658
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,440
October 30th deadline.

659
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,200
The city escalated its communications

660
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,600
with PG&

661
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,360
and today they informed staff that they

662
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,559
will be starting sooner than the August

663
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:51,440
3rd date, possibly on July 20th and even

664
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:53,440
possibly later this week.

665
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,919
Staff met with Gordon and Ball today to

666
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,919
share the PG update. They will be

667
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:59,760
meeting with PG later this week to

668
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:02,080
discuss whether an overlap in work

669
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,679
schedules will be possible and they've

670
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,080
expressed willingness to coordinate with

671
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:08,000
PG&E to keep the beach road project on

672
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,919
schedule.

673
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,279
If there is no option but to delay their

674
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:15,679
start to the August uh to until August

675
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:18,159
3rd, Gordon and Ball will have exactly

676
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:20,320
64 work days until October 30th to

677
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:23,360
complete their work. one less than the

678
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:28,159
scheduled 65, but a much more manageable

679
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:30,080
schedule change than two full weeks.

680
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:31,919
Finally, staff are aware that a project

681
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,159
that lasts for 3 months will have

682
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:35,840
impacts on residents, not just in the

683
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:38,320
vicinity of the project, but across the

684
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,919
city. Staff will continue to work with

685
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,240
the oversight committee on project

686
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:43,840
progress. Along with staff, the

687
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,919
construction management team of FA

688
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Engineering will have Adrien Cormier on

689
00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:49,760
the ground to interface with residents

690
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,159
on any questions or concerns they may

691
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,000
have. A web page on the city website

692
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:56,320
will go live this week and will provide

693
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,919
information and updates. And an item

694
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,519
will be included in the Bvidia Breeze

695
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:01,919
this week and likely in the coming

696
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:04,720
months to share information and updates

697
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:06,960
on this critical infrastructure project.

698
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,120
And with that, I will be happy to take

699
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,519
any questions.

700
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,840
Any

701
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:16,080
questions for Tony?

702
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,320
» Just real quick, uh you mentioned the uh

703
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,799
the breeze as well as the traffic and

704
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,720
impacts letter to the neighbors. Um

705
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,480
don't don't lowball that would be would

706
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,559
be my suggestion. Like you know, you

707
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,480
know, really let people know what it is.

708
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:30,399
I don't know if you want to, you know, a

709
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,720
single topic blast, but but but

710
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:34,159
certainly something I would I would get

711
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,640
that information out there what people

712
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:37,840
to expect as far as any traffic

713
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,279
disruptions. There's always going to be

714
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,440
parking disruptions and some traffic

715
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:42,960
disruptions during during the times, but

716
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,919
be clear and explicit about that so

717
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:50,159
people know what what to expect.

718
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:51,760
» Yeah, absolutely. And and um the letter

719
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:54,080
the not notification letter that we're

720
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,200
sending as well u includes a QR code

721
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,919
that will let people um uh go straight

722
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,760
to the web page on on the on the website

723
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:02,399
which will have a lot more information

724
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,120
available.

725
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:06,720
» What's the radius of that though? Um

726
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,279
well we we were discussing that this

727
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,760
this week um

728
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:13,919
uh because the reason because it's

729
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,360
actually quite difficult to draw a line

730
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:20,080
around uh where sort of uh impacted

731
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,480
residents uh but not uh too impacted

732
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,240
where that might be. So um at this point

733
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,519
we're looking at a citywide um

734
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,919
notification letter.

735
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,320
» Okay.

736
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:30,240
» Yeah.

737
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,880
I I would support the citywide

738
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,480
notification letter just because no

739
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,960
matter where you live, you drive down

740
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:40,159
Beach Road at some point and sometimes

741
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,880
other people do use it more

742
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:45,840
really no matter where you live. So, um

743
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,159
at some point everybody hits beach road

744
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,480
often during the week. So, it's probably

745
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:53,519
a good idea at least for that initial

746
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,480
one that everybody knows.

747
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:59,279
» Yeah. Um yeah, definitely agree.

748
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:02,080
» But that was great news. I was expecting

749
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:04,720
lots of horrible news from you. So, you

750
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,279
started out with this depressing news,

751
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,720
but you turned it around. So, about the

752
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:14,159
the walkways was great to hear. The PG&

753
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:16,879
responded to the city's requests. This

754
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:19,919
was great to hear. So, let's hope they

755
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:22,159
do what they promise.

756
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:23,839
» And Tony, thank you for that report. Um,

757
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,919
I did have one question as I was

758
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:28,639
listening to you

759
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:32,000
when you talked about that, um, they

760
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:35,200
would be able to have hopefully 64 days

761
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:39,520
to finish the project. If you get into

762
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:41,599
that position where things, days, and

763
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,119
everything start really counting, would

764
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:47,280
the city consider um looking at our

765
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,200
normal construction hours and maybe

766
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,399
allowing construction to start a little

767
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:55,599
bit earlier or even consider I know the

768
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:59,760
third rail of working on weekends if

769
00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:01,920
really got pushed into it um just so

770
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,599
that we could meet the the deadline as

771
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,000
sort of an absolute outside

772
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:07,520
consideration.

773
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,320
Yes, I think that is definitely

774
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:14,000
something that that we would look at. Um

775
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,240
and um hopefully we wouldn't have to um

776
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,119
deal with it, but um that that would be

777
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,240
one way to uh give them a little extra

778
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,359
time.

779
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,520
» Okay, great. Thank you.

780
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:25,440
» And the 65 days was was the full scope

781
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,280
of the work. Um that's not necessarily

782
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,520
the inwater work. And so hopefully they

783
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,960
can skew that to the earlier part of the

784
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,200
project. I know they can't do it

785
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,359
exclusively, but

786
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,160
some flexibility there, that's for sure.

787
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:42,160
» Yes. Yeah. And um actually a little less

788
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:44,880
flexibility than I um had um expected.

789
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,800
Um yeah, basically they've they've sort

790
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,000
of organized a very efficient sequence

791
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,480
of work. Um and the last item is to cut

792
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,119
the sheet piles down to size uh along

793
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,839
the seaw wall, which is

794
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,839
» Yeah. in the beach. Um and that's after

795
00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:01,599
cuz there's a concrete a layer of

796
00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:03,680
concrete that needs to set and cure for

797
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,960
seven days before that. And um so they

798
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,880
have to wait for that before they can

799
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,400
cut it. And yeah,

800
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,480
» Just one final quick comment. The

801
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,320
escalation that that that um Tony is

802
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,880
referring to is is some work by our

803
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,359
mayor. So thank you. Thank you on that.

804
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:20,720
» You're welcome. Um I have a couple of

805
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:22,560
questions. So the P during the PG& work

806
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,720
will there be road closures during that

807
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,359
time as well or this will only and the

808
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,960
other utility work the road

809
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:30,560
complications will only happen when the

810
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,040
actual project begins.

811
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,119
» There will there will be traffic control

812
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,599
uh traffic controls in place for PG&'s

813
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:41,200
work. They haven't um submitted any

814
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:44,640
plans for road closures or or any um uh

815
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,240
permit requests. Um, so we're

816
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,839
anticipating that the road will remain

817
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,359
open, but uh there will be traffic

818
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:51,200
controls in place. And actually this

819
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:54,000
evening on my way up here, I saw that

820
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:57,200
they've put no parking signs um up along

821
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:00,720
Beach Road. Um so they're um it looks

822
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,240
like they are um hoping to start sooner

823
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,480
rather than later.

824
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,480
» Okay. Do we have you know how Tibbron

825
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,079
has one of those boards that can give

826
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,560
information? Do we have one of those

827
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:14,000
where we can at least

828
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,520
flag direction to where wherever to to

829
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,320
get more information?

830
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,560
» Um, we we don't have one of those, but

831
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,320
we actually included it in in the RFP

832
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:28,079
documents for the contractor to provide

833
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:29,760
one. Um, and so um um we met with them

834
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,119
today and that was one of the things

835
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,880
that they brought up was that they have

836
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:35,359
it and um they're ready to bring it out.

837
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,560
So that'll probably be placed next week.

838
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:40,320
Um, and those signs are quite um there's

839
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,599
actually not much information you can

840
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,680
get on them, but um it's a good point.

841
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:47,440
We could refer people to the website for

842
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,880
uh for for more details,

843
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,480
» Right? And I agree with everybody else

844
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,839
here. The more communication and the

845
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,520
earlier we and comprehensively we can do

846
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,800
it to everybody in the community, I

847
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,520
think that's super important so that

848
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,280
people aren't caught out.

849
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,000
» Thank you. Yeah, definitely.

850
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,520
» Okay. Um, if there are no more

851
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,240
questions, we'll open it to public

852
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,400
comment. Seeing none in the room, is

853
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:13,359
there any online?

854
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,839
» Okay, great. In that case, we will

855
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:19,280
close item 3E and we're going to move on

856
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:20,960
to the consent calendar. The consent

857
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,880
calendar consists of items that the city

858
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,640
council considers to be routine or

859
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,720
council has discussed previously and do

860
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,720
not require further discussion. Unless

861
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,480
any item is specifically removed by any

862
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,800
member of the city council, the consent

863
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,720
calendar will be adopted by one motion.

864
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,640
Council will take public comment on all

865
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:39,680
items on the consent calendar when the

866
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,280
calendar is called. So, can I first ask

867
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,119
my colleagues whether anybody wishes to

868
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,440
have any item uh removed from the

869
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,440
consent calendar?

870
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,760
I don't know if I need it removed, but I

871
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:57,599
have one question about B, one question

872
00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:01,040
about C, and one question about D.

873
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:05,400
» Okay. Anybody else?

874
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,400
» B, C, and D. She said B, C, and D.

875
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,680
» Did you say B?

876
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,320
» B, C, and D.

877
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,520
» Oh, E. Okay, that was my question.

878
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,160
» Okay.

879
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,440
» Okay. Okay. So rather than pull these um

880
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480
under I can just ask the questions

881
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,920
directly

882
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,640
» Or ask Jane to ask her questions

883
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,640
directly.

884
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,839
» Yes. Let's see how simple or complicated

885
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,560
the questions are if you don't mind.

886
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,960
Mayor.

887
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,440
» Okay. And and if it can't be answered

888
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,240
now, this question could be answered

889
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:36,320
another time. It's just that it came up.

890
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:39,599
Um I was asked um to explain what the

891
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,200
980 work week literally means. And so I

892
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:43,119
don't know if you can explain that in a

893
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,640
short

894
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:47,760
» Compact way.

895
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,359
» Yeah. So most staff work the 980 it's

896
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,839
five

897
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:55,040
five days one week with an eight hour

898
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:59,040
day on Friday and then on the second

899
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:01,680
week it's four 9-hour days. So it's a 36

900
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,000
and a 44.

901
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,839
» Okay.

902
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,760
» They're always nine hours except for the

903
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:12,320
one Friday.

904
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:14,160
Okay. Four nine hour days. Okay.

905
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,760
» Nour

906
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,960
9 hour days. The second week is four

907
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,720
nines right

908
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,400
» Hours.

909
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,160
I didn't realize that. That's why it's

910
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,119
990. I never knew that.

911
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,160
» Right.

912
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,720
» 980.

913
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:32,160
» Makes sense.

914
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:34,320
» Now it helps. Okay. And then um did do

915
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,520
you want Pat to ask her B question?

916
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,359
» Which she's got D.

917
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,960
» Oh D. Okay. Sorry for C.

918
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:43,760
» Um, then in attachment A under salaries,

919
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,560
just out of curiosity, where would our

920
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:50,160
new sergeant be placed on that salary

921
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,720
schedule? Do you know that? Where in the

922
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:56,359
police salary?

923
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,359
» Uh, yes.

924
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,119
I believe she was placed at step C D C.

925
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,640
» Yes.

926
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,200
» In the hired before July 1st, 2026.

927
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,599
» Correct.

928
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,200
» Okay.

929
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:33,119
Okay. Thanks. And then for D, my

930
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,680
question is, have we really received $80

931
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:39,640
in 50 years

932
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,640
from that block grant?

933
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:47,599
There's a block grant in there and it

934
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:50,400
said we've received $80 in 50 years.

935
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:52,319
And so my question is, are we required

936
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,720
to be part of that block grant or should

937
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:58,079
we just I think it costs us more to

938
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:59,839
produce the paperwork on this.

939
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,680
» So mayor.

940
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:04,240
Yeah. So mayor, if I may offer

941
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:08,960
recommendation. Um it sounds like I

942
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:11,440
think we can proceed with items B and C

943
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,280
and maybe pull D. So Commissioner,

944
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Council Member Carropia can also pose

945
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,200
your question.

946
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,400
was the same question. $80 if that was

947
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,240
» Okay. So you want you will pull that

948
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,680
item and discuss it. Okay. Fine. So in

949
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:28,000
that case, can I get a motion from

950
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:31,760
someone to approve items 4 A through 4 C

951
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,280
and 4 E through 4 H.

952
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,079
» So moved.

953
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,520
» Second.

954
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,160
» All in favor?

955
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,400
» I.

956
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:43,920
» Great. We'll move on to uh to 4 D. So

957
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:46,800
Oh, I'm sorry. Not awake. Do we have any

958
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,000
public comment on the consent calendar?

959
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,560
» There are no hands raised.

960
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,440
» Okay, thank you. Um, okay. So, moving to

961
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,160
4D. Um, who would like to answer that

962
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,920
question?

963
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,440
» Yes. So, I'd say it's a it's a great

964
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,680
question that and they're referencing

965
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,599
all of Miranda in that statement. It

966
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,119
looks like So, I'm guessing that's

967
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:08,079
perhaps a typo. We can look into it, but

968
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:10,079
it's more than more than $80 certainly.

969
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:11,599
Um, however, is a good question about

970
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,280
how much does Belvadier receive from

971
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:15,920
that? I think historically not much if

972
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:19,119
any um just you know given the the

973
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,640
mission of this organization. So uh it's

974
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,319
possible with the housing element and

975
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,400
new housing laws we may end up tapping

976
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:26,560
into this or being eligible for this as

977
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,960
we get more affordable and affordability

978
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,119
of those types of units in Belvadier.

979
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,400
But um I think it's you know the the

980
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:34,720
takeaway is it's better to be part of

981
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,640
the program than not um at least going

982
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:40,920
into where going into this from where we

983
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,920
are with with regard to housing.

984
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,000
Most of the pre of the prerequisites are

985
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,359
are 100% affordable. Like they they

986
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,640
literally have a floor on on 100%

987
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:50,400
affordability.

988
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,960
» So maybe it was with Farley Place that

989
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,960
we got some money.

990
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,160
» Okay, with that let's open. Does that

991
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,680
sufficiently answer your question? Um

992
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,520
Beth, do we have any public comment on

993
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,319
item 4 D?

994
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,560
» Okay, so can I get a motion for 4D?

995
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:07,680
» I make a motion to approve 4D on the

996
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,480
consent calendar.

997
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,319
» Second.

998
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,400
» All in favor? I

999
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:15,359
» Great motion passes.

1000
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,160
» We will now move on to our item five

1001
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:20,800
which is our public hearings and this is

1002
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,119
uh 5A an introduction and first reading

1003
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,960
of an ordinance amending the Belvadier

1004
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,920
municipal code to establish rules for

1005
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:31,359
commercial drone delivery in Belvidia.

1006
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,079
Um is Andrew is this you or is this

1007
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:34,000
Robert?

1008
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:36,400
» Yeah I'll go ahead and start off. Uh

1009
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,640
thank you mayor. So earlier this year,

1010
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,880
uh, staff began hearing from some

1011
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:44,400
private industry experts that commercial

1012
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,079
drone deliveries specifically are

1013
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,960
expected to become an increasingly

1014
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:51,040
common as retailers, restaurants, and

1015
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,800
delivery service providers expand

1016
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,680
operations throughout the San Francisco

1017
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,839
Bay area. Uh rather than responding

1018
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,520
after commercial drone delivery becomes

1019
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:01,440
established, the proposed ordinance

1020
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,280
takes a proactive approach by

1021
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,960
establishing a local regulatory

1022
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,359
framework that addresses the ground

1023
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,440
level impacts of these operations while

1024
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:12,079
also recognizing the Federal Aviation

1025
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:15,520
Administration's ex exclusive authority

1026
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:17,040
over aircraft operations and airspace.

1027
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Consistent with that division of

1028
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,880
authority, the ordinance does not

1029
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:24,000
regulate drone overflight uh flight

1030
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,920
paths, altitude or aircraft operations.

1031
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,800
In broad terms, the ordinance does four

1032
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,119
things. Uh first, it regulates where

1033
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,160
commercial drone delivery facilities may

1034
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:36,319
be located. Second, it establishes rules

1035
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,720
for delivery related activity on both

1036
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:40,880
public and private property.

1037
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:44,079
Third, it includes standards to protect

1038
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,000
privacy, minimum nuisance uh minimize

1039
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,480
nuisance impacts, and preserve public

1040
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,400
safety. And finally, it provides the

1041
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,040
city with enforcement tools should

1042
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,720
violations occur. The ordinance is

1043
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,800
intended to ensure that commercial drone

1044
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,480
delivery can occur in a manner that's

1045
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,040
compatible with Belvier's residential

1046
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,119
character, public safety, and quality of

1047
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,720
life. Barring any changes this evening,

1048
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:06,640
staff is requesting that the city

1049
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:08,560
council will introduce the ordinance,

1050
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,359
wave a first reading, and direct staff

1051
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:14,079
to return uh for adoption at the next

1052
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:15,599
regular city council meeting. Andrew and

1053
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:18,079
myself are both available if you have

1054
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:20,880
questions.

1055
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,599
» Do any council members have questions?

1056
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,240
» Kevin,

1057
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:26,800
» I just had one. is uh in the amendment

1058
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:28,400
it was uh I think it was 20 more

1059
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,560
deliveries per month shall constitute

1060
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,319
repeated or systematic use of the

1061
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,760
property. I'm just wondering where the

1062
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:38,800
20 came from.

1063
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,880
Um that was a number that was um

1064
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,200
selected uh in consultation with the

1065
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,880
mayor and certainly that is not a number

1066
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,079
that is set in stone. Uh that is

1067
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,520
something within the council's

1068
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,079
discretion if you want to move it up or

1069
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,359
down.

1070
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:53,920
» Thank you. Any

1071
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:57,520
other questions?

1072
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:04,079
» I have a ton. Okay.

1073
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:09,640
Sorry. Um so um

1074
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:09,640
let's see. Let's go to um

1075
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:20,800
I guess a lot of my questions refer to

1076
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:25,079
things like um authorized by the city.

1077
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,079
Um so

1078
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:32,319
it's not clear in this code

1079
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,280
what that vehicle is going to be. um and

1080
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:37,920
and how we're going to um have

1081
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,280
authorized by city. Is it um going to be

1082
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,520
done with a permit? Is it going to be

1083
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:48,480
done with a license? Um the same around

1084
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:52,160
written consent? What's the vehicle? Um

1085
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:54,480
what are the control measures? Um how do

1086
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,839
we know who has or who has not given

1087
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,880
written um consent? Um is it going to be

1088
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:00,720
something that's going to be done

1089
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:05,359
online? I mean, it says we're going to

1090
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:08,319
be doing this, but um,

1091
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:10,240
you know, there there there's nothing

1092
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:13,119
here that says you have to get a permit

1093
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:15,440
or it's a license. That'll be an online

1094
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:18,240
registration. I mean, who's going to

1095
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:21,119
control this online registration of

1096
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:24,720
who's

1097
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:27,040
signed up or not? Um, you know, nuisance

1098
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:30,240
impact on neighbors.

1099
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:32,880
um you know what might be fine with me

1100
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:34,880
may not be fine with another and then

1101
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,079
that comes into how do we how do we

1102
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:41,440
define what the what a nuisance is. I

1103
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:44,079
mean do we use our noise ordinance but

1104
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:46,559
then how do we regulate the sound of a

1105
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:49,359
drone and what what that sound is

1106
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:53,200
depending on who the delivery vehicle

1107
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:56,160
is. Um

1108
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,640
um

1109
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,960
and then we're in the future going to

1110
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,920
establish a complaint and um

1111
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,079
investigation process. My questions were

1112
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:10,720
is when are we going to do that? Who's

1113
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:12,880
going to be responsible for that? Um

1114
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:14,960
and then does anybody else have

1115
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,480
questions because I could I then go into

1116
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,400
certain sections.

1117
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,760
» Why don't we because you've listed about

1118
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,319
20 questions. Should we take them one

1119
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:26,119
one by one? Is that going to be easier?

1120
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:26,119
» So, um

1121
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:33,760
is it?

1122
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,920
Oh, so that's where we are. So, in the

1123
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,839
actual staff report in the purpose of

1124
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:41,200
the ordinance,

1125
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:43,280
um in number two, um it says required

1126
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,319
conditional per permit for commercial

1127
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,040
drone delivery facility and then it says

1128
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:51,359
elsewhere in the city. I I I'm not sure

1129
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,640
if elsewhere is the right word or if it

1130
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:55,200
should have been anywhere. I just

1131
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,119
questioning that. And then in number

1132
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,839
three,

1133
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:02,319
it talks about um prohibited commercial

1134
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:06,319
drone uh deliveries and it says

1135
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:08,480
authorized by the city.

1136
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:10,480
And so

1137
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:15,599
» Use permit.

1138
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:17,760
The question is is should it be um

1139
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,520
should we be you know more more direct

1140
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,200
in that? I was just wondering you know

1141
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,599
what what vehicle are we going to be

1142
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:27,920
using? Did you want to answer these as I

1143
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:29,760
go or do you want me to just rattle on?

1144
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,839
» Well, we'll we'll try to tackle a couple

1145
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,839
at a time and we'll see how Okay.

1146
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:36,000
» So this this but then now we get down to

1147
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:38,000
Okay. For

1148
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:42,319
» Um written consent before private

1149
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,520
property is used. So,

1150
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:45,200
is there going to be an online

1151
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,599
registration?

1152
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,480
Um, how do we control? How do we know

1153
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:53,359
who's approved, not approved? Um, would

1154
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,200
it be better to do an optin or I mean an

1155
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:58,720
opt out versus an opt-in because it

1156
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:01,200
might be lesser people? Um, you know, I

1157
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:04,079
mean, what how are we going to manage

1158
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:07,200
this? Um,

1159
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:08,800
» Yeah. So if I I could take a stab at

1160
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,200
that issue if you don't mind, council

1161
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:09,839
member.

1162
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,240
» Yeah. Yeah.

1163
00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:13,920
» Yeah. So we didn't in as a first pass,

1164
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,760
we didn't build in a lot of specificity

1165
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,760
how that written authorization is to be

1166
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,280
provided. Uh certainly if the council

1167
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,119
wants to be more specific, we can

1168
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,880
certainly head in that direction. Um but

1169
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,960
I I think the idea here was to be

1170
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,280
flexible, especially since we are

1171
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,559
talking about regulating a new not

1172
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,839
necessarily sure if it's new technology,

1173
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,160
but at least a new potential business

1174
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:34,800
practice that we want to maintain some

1175
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,800
flexibility. Um certainly if if the

1176
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,440
council does preer prefer something more

1177
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,119
formal uh we certainly understand and we

1178
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,400
can build that in but it'd be helpful to

1179
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:44,559
know exactly what the council would like

1180
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,000
on that front but on the first pass I

1181
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,200
think we're trying to be flexible as a

1182
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,920
general manner

1183
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,720
» Because I think Pat there um the

1184
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:55,440
question is really valid but the deliver

1185
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:57,760
whoever's delivering the package has to

1186
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,640
get the authorization

1187
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,960
they are required if you're getting food

1188
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,319
delivery from whoever you have

1189
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,680
essentially consent to it being

1190
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:07,680
delivered on your property, but you're

1191
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,400
right. The city doesn't have any

1192
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,880
evidence that that has taken place. So,

1193
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,720
I guess your question is how do we

1194
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,319
» Well, that I I read it more that the

1195
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:20,880
city was going to be doing this versus

1196
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:23,520
the drone the drone people. Um anyway,

1197
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,960
so if that's the case and it just wasn't

1198
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,800
clear to me that we were talking about

1199
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,359
that the drone people would have to get

1200
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,839
this consent, but then how do we know

1201
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:35,760
who has consent and not? I mean, it

1202
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:38,480
becomes I, you know, I can see this,

1203
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,800
you know, my great neighbor next door to

1204
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,880
me on the right wouldn't care, but you

1205
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,280
know, my other neighbor on the left who

1206
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:48,240
wouldn't care either, but might care.

1207
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:51,520
Um, you know, I mean, and he calls and

1208
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:54,000
complains, then what where does it put

1209
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,400
the city? Are we creating a a situation

1210
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,760
that we have really no control over?

1211
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,559
» Yeah. So at least with respect to

1212
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,079
commercial drone delivery facilities, I

1213
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,760
mean that would be subject to a

1214
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,960
conditional use permit which would be

1215
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,440
granted at a you know planning

1216
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:10,079
commission hearing etc etc. So that is

1217
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:13,359
you know fairly formal in terms of

1218
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:16,640
process but in terms of for example you

1219
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:19,200
know use of certain public areas or if

1220
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,200
someone is receiving a package through

1221
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,880
the through the drone deliveries you

1222
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,720
know a low level of I guess

1223
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,440
authorization would be required and

1224
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,800
again it was intended to be flexible but

1225
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,200
again if the council feels like it needs

1226
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,720
to be more prescribed I think we're

1227
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,640
certainly open to suggestions and

1228
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,599
guidance.

1229
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,040
Yeah, I think I I think I mean I wasn't

1230
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:42,079
involved in creating it, but I've spent

1231
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,520
a lot of time with it. I I think as far

1232
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:47,359
as that issue goes, it does a good job

1233
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,119
of separating commercial drone activity

1234
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:51,119
through the use permit process, which

1235
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:53,359
can add, as Andrew talked about, far

1236
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:54,880
more specifics and far more detailed

1237
00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:56,800
requirements

1238
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,280
um if and when there's a use permit

1239
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,640
applied for. And it's providing the

1240
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:05,520
flexibility for homeowners to receive uh

1241
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,200
deliveries and or you know become a

1242
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,960
delivery not a delivery center but but

1243
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,520
have have more groundbased services um

1244
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,760
up to a to a limit to be determined. I

1245
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:17,119
mean 20 here but can be subject to um

1246
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,680
change uh with the onus on the delivery

1247
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:21,119
agent to get authorization as it says in

1248
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,200
the in the ordinance not in the staff

1249
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:25,440
report in the ordinance might only be a

1250
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,200
checkbox you know to to agree to

1251
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,760
something as as you place that order.

1252
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,119
So, it's intended to limit structure,

1253
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,480
keep it on private property, keep it

1254
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,480
away from public spaces and so forth,

1255
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,520
then limit it from commercial activity,

1256
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,440
but give the requirement that you have

1257
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,880
to have some written approval by the

1258
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,640
person who is receiving it, property

1259
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,880
owner, not just from from the property

1260
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:49,359
owner. And uh uh I I applaud it actually

1261
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,000
for for

1262
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:53,680
creating a framework but not making it

1263
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,520
over restrictively going going forward

1264
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,160
but but knocking out the big risk which

1265
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:00,800
is the commercial drone aspect of it in

1266
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,800
public spaces and even on on on private

1267
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,079
residences. I only say that because I

1268
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,720
think that knocked off a couple of your

1269
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:05,119
questions.

1270
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:08,119
» Okay.

1271
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:08,119
» Um

1272
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:16,160
» So um Okay. So then I go into Did

1273
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,960
anybody else want? No,

1274
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,160
» I

1275
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,599
» I have a lot of comments, but we'll

1276
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,040
wait. I mean, let's let's do the

1277
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,680
questions first and then we can bring it

1278
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,480
back.

1279
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,240
» I realize that the staff report is

1280
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,800
bringing up things that are in the

1281
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:33,280
municipal code. Not they're not writing

1282
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,000
in the staff report what exactly the

1283
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,440
code is more

1284
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,440
» The process. Well, I know the code is

1285
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,359
more valid, but it's it's not also

1286
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,480
addressed in the code either

1287
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:42,160
specifically.

1288
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,040
» Yeah. I mean, I had a lot of questions

1289
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,400
along the same.

1290
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:49,280
» So, I can go into the code

1291
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,599
and

1292
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,599
let's see.

1293
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,400
Oh, yeah. I question the 20 deliveries.

1294
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:12,040
Um

1295
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:12,040
so in 8.34.040B 040B.

1296
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:17,680
Um,

1297
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,359
and that has to do with the commercial

1298
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,720
delivery

1299
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:25,440
and um, it says it will not impair

1300
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:27,839
residential privacy blah blah blah blah

1301
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:33,040
blah emergency access, which I don't

1302
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:36,319
have problems with. Um, but this is in

1303
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:39,520
reference just to the boardwalk. Um I

1304
00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:42,400
just question when we say um residential

1305
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,400
privacy, quiet and enjoyment, are we

1306
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,920
knocking out the possibility of the

1307
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:50,319
boardwalk

1308
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:53,839
using any Belvadier property

1309
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:57,119
as a commercial use because they're

1310
00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:59,520
right up against the back of Cove Road.

1311
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:00,960
» I mean my view I think that comes to the

1312
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,799
planning commission for a discussion.

1313
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,000
Correct. Is that right, Andrew?

1314
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:05,599
» Yeah, that's correct. The planning

1315
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,799
commission would consider, I guess, the

1316
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:11,119
proposed facility in context. And so I

1317
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:12,400
can imagine some could be designed with

1318
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,920
appropriate respect for pedest

1319
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,880
pedestrian access. Some may go too far,

1320
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,160
but that would be in the planning

1321
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,040
commission's discretion.

1322
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,960
» Okay. And then

1323
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:26,000
» I actually

1324
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,880
» I had a question about 040 also. Do you

1325
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,520
want me to add it in?

1326
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,880
» Yeah. Yeah.

1327
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,079
» Or do you want me to come back? Go

1328
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:34,079
ahead. Start over.

1329
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:38,319
» Okay. Um, so I was curious about C in

1330
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:40,880
that section will not create repeated or

1331
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:42,799
concentrated delivery activity

1332
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:46,400
inconsistent with Belvadier's

1333
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:48,880
residential character.

1334
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,799
I don't know what that means. I mean,

1335
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,559
what what are we getting at with that? I

1336
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:55,920
» I think it's just sort of the amount of

1337
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:57,599
use that is being proposed. Um, there is

1338
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,040
no hard number in there. Certainly if

1339
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:00,319
the council did want to provide a hard

1340
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,480
number so the planning commission that

1341
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:02,160
was

1342
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,880
» I think we had a hard number somewhere

1343
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,880
else right

1344
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,760
» Yeah for the 20 that was but that was

1345
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,359
for residential

1346
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,160
» Exactly that's for residential

1347
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:12,000
» I read this Jane was um or the analogy I

1348
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,559
had for me was this would be like an

1349
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,480
Amazon warehouse of for a drone like

1350
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:18,799
what if somebody decided to set up a

1351
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,680
with a commercial use permit

1352
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:24,079
» Uh where lots of drones came for all of

1353
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,599
the Tibberon Peninsula so they were just

1354
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,799
every second there was a drone coming

1355
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,720
this was their central hub and then they

1356
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:30,400
would send it out or something. I mean,

1357
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,359
again, that would be just an excessive

1358
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,920
use of a specific location that would be

1359
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,400
out of character, I think, for our

1360
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,920
community,

1361
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,359
» Right? And this is a criteria that was

1362
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,960
intended to be flexible again, so the

1363
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:42,799
planning commission could on it

1364
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,839
» The proposed use.

1365
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:45,280
» But certainly, if you did want to

1366
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:46,319
provide a hard number, you could as a

1367
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,799
bright line.

1368
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:48,079
» I think

1369
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:49,839
» I can think there's pluses and minuses

1370
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:53,680
to either approach.

1371
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:55,760
I I think one of the problems for me is

1372
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,040
that

1373
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:02,000
we have a lot of municipal code that's

1374
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:04,799
flexible and then it get turns against

1375
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:07,119
the intent because it's too flexible and

1376
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:09,280
nobody knows what it means. So I think

1377
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:11,200
my questions

1378
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,599
um are

1379
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:19,920
you know without it first of all this

1380
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:22,720
seemed overly long and repetitive to me

1381
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:26,559
but at the same time certain parts of it

1382
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:29,200
were not very specific and I worry that

1383
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:32,079
a company that's very sophisticated

1384
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,160
» Will come in and figure out a way to

1385
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:38,079
manipulate it because it's not very

1386
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:40,640
specific. So, um, that's my concern

1387
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:42,000
going through a lot of this.

1388
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,880
» Yeah. Again, this is just the first

1389
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,720
pass. I

1390
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:48,319
» I know, but I thought that we were being

1391
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,599
asked to not have this be a second pass.

1392
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:50,960
Is that correct tonight?

1393
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,160
» No. So, as an ordinance, this will come

1394
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,119
back for a second reading in any

1395
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,640
instance

1396
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:57,040
» Or second approval.

1397
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:00,240
» But, Jenn, I mean, I'll jump in a little

1398
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,680
bit because I had some uh involvement in

1399
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,280
this. I think part of the push for this

1400
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:09,359
is that um we want something on the

1401
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:11,280
books before this comes to life um and

1402
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:13,599
to get ahead of it as much as we can and

1403
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,599
really the risk is around these drone

1404
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:18,960
delivery facilities and and what can we

1405
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:21,359
do um

1406
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,760
to provide some regulation and this will

1407
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:26,240
I'm sure evolve over time as the

1408
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,839
industry evolves but to have the biggest

1409
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:31,040
concern as everybody said is that we

1410
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:32,640
have this centralized depo where

1411
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,160
thousands of drones are flying over

1412
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,599
every day and if it is on the boardwalk

1413
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,839
and it's in Tibbron's territory, we

1414
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,760
can't control for that. And so that's

1415
01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:41,520
why in some ways there should be at some

1416
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,640
point these discussions with Tibbron to

1417
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:48,319
see whether we can have some combined

1418
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,640
regulation around this. Um so it's

1419
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:53,760
really a first attempt to put something

1420
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:56,960
on the books to to to begin that

1421
01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:00,240
discussion. But I don't know that being

1422
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,079
very prescriptive about this question of

1423
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,599
will not create repeated or concentrated

1424
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:05,760
delivery activity inconsistent with

1425
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:07,839
Belvadier's residential character. I

1426
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,880
don't think we can put a number on that.

1427
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:10,640
I mean that would be

1428
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,880
» I just wonder if it needs to be there at

1429
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,960
all. I guess it doesn't mean anything to

1430
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,480
me. It's not saying anything. It's just

1431
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,400
it's just a finding requirement for the

1432
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,559
for the per for for the for the for the

1433
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,760
use permit which gives the the the the

1434
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:25,119
planning commission um

1435
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,960
» Discretion if if it's not there they

1436
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:30,720
don't have discretion over character.

1437
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:32,799
» So I'm I guess I'm confused which I

1438
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,680
fully admit because I found this very

1439
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:40,079
confusing and I read it many times until

1440
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:42,559
I was going crazy. So

1441
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:45,520
this facility thing can only be

1442
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,720
constructed in a commercial zone, not in

1443
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,079
a residential zone.

1444
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,480
» Correct. Not allowed in residential

1445
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:51,280
areas.

1446
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:54,160
» So since it can only be in a commercial

1447
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:56,400
zone in Belvadier, our only commercial

1448
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,880
zone in Belvadier is the back parking

1449
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,000
lot of the boardwalk and maybe the

1450
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,319
nursery school.

1451
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,680
» Yes. Very small areas of Belvier.

1452
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:08,640
» So we've written this whole thing about

1453
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,559
that. those two small areas. Mhm.

1454
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,720
» And I think that's what's confusing

1455
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:15,680
about it because I don't know why we

1456
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,920
just don't say

1457
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,440
there's no, you know, these are where we

1458
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:24,079
have commercial zones and this is where

1459
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,559
it relates and then go into it rather

1460
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:30,640
than the confusion of feeling like it

1461
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:32,960
could be on private property or if

1462
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,920
someone uses it more than 19 times it

1463
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:38,880
becomes a facility but yet can't be a

1464
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:42,319
facility because it's a residential.

1465
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:45,119
So that's where my I'm just confused by

1466
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:47,440
it. We have such a little commercial

1467
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:50,640
area and I agree with Sally. I think

1468
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:53,280
it's mostly Tibbron that could have a

1469
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,040
facility there and then we really do

1470
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,040
need to work with them to figure out if

1471
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:00,640
they're going to set anything up because

1472
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:04,160
for us this is kind of this whole thing

1473
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:06,079
is only relating to a very tiny section

1474
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,680
of possibility. But if we don't have

1475
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:09,599
something on our books, Amazon just

1476
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,440
decides to buy the nursery school and we

1477
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:11,680
have nothing there and they set up their

1478
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,200
drone

1479
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,680
» Deliver nothing on the books. I'm saying

1480
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,119
this is so complicated for

1481
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,760
» But but I think it's

1482
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:21,280
» But I think it's trying to balance the

1483
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,280
need that some people are going to want

1484
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,119
to take an occasional dinner delivery

1485
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:28,640
from San Francisco and we shouldn't be a

1486
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:30,400
we shouldn't uh disallow that and some

1487
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,520
people want medical deliveries and those

1488
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,720
things should be allowed. It's a

1489
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,359
question of when does it become a

1490
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,720
nuisance to the community at large. So

1491
01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:38,880
having some cap on the number of

1492
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,880
deliveries a month and who knows what I

1493
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,200
don't know what that appropriate cap is.

1494
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,160
It

1495
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,720
» I mean 19 per household seemed very high

1496
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,160
to me.

1497
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,559
» Well I think in five years that might

1498
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:52,880
not that might be pretty regular

1499
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:56,160
» And I mean I did watch all the videos.

1500
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,920
I I mean it at this point

1501
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,680
» That we're writing it, they're only

1502
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,119
delivering things that are between two

1503
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:05,359
and four pounds.

1504
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:07,680
» They can't deliver on hills and uh

1505
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:09,760
a lot of foliage and trees. They're

1506
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,160
hovering 25 feet high,

1507
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,160
» Right?

1508
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:16,000
» And then they lower it down to a flat

1509
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:20,000
area. And if you notice in the videos,

1510
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:22,960
everything is looks more like you're not

1511
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:26,240
in California or maybe you're in Nevada

1512
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:28,319
and everything's flat, right? And and so

1513
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,319
» But the technology will evolve as well.

1514
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:32,960
» I get that. But then our

1515
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:36,480
» Code would also need to evolve. I'm just

1516
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:40,000
saying right now the high we are coming

1517
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,839
at this so early in the process that

1518
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,760
that we don't know what's going on with

1519
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:47,520
Tiburn. I'm not against having

1520
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:49,599
something. I just think this uh has a

1521
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,839
lot of loopholes and I think it's

1522
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:54,240
confusing. I think we should have

1523
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:58,240
something I'm hoping that we could have

1524
01:04:54,240 --> 01:05:01,440
something that's easier to read and

1525
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:04,640
easier to understand. And I don't know

1526
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,880
what that means. I mean,

1527
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,359
you know, I wrote like, could we use the

1528
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,440
word residential in some of these where

1529
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:13,280
it's hard to even know is it residential

1530
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:17,119
or non-residential

1531
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:19,440
and um you know, no person may use

1532
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:22,000
private property for delivery. Well, do

1533
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,480
you mean an occupant? Do you mean a

1534
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:28,440
company? What does that mean? No person

1535
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,440
may use private property,

1536
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:34,160
isn't it? A company that's delivering

1537
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,920
it. There's no person in the drone. So,

1538
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,440
» Right. But, and the idea there is that

1539
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,720
they need the property owner's consent

1540
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,559
before doing that. Okay.

1541
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,559
» Right. Before delivering the package, it

1542
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,280
needs to be the, you know, owner asking

1543
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:43,920
for it.

1544
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,680
» Right.

1545
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,200
» Right. And the other thing, if you don't

1546
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,640
put anything down on paper, if these

1547
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,280
deliveries start happening and people

1548
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,400
don't have space on their own property,

1549
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,599
because a lot of people don't, they

1550
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,480
might start getting deliveries in the

1551
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:57,280
middle of the road if we don't

1552
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,960
regulate.

1553
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,640
» I think all the public stuff should

1554
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:03,280
absolutely be there.

1555
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:06,799
» And I think specificity about the only

1556
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:09,760
appropriate place for a facility is in

1557
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:10,960
the commercial nonresidential.

1558
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,760
» Doesn't it say that?

1559
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,240
» Yeah. Can I

1560
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,000
» Does it in a lot of many places? and

1561
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,200
very confusing.

1562
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,880
» I think we should continue taking

1563
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,200
comments and do what the process is

1564
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,960
intended is to take those comments and

1565
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,319
then go through a rev.

1566
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,680
» I I three more comments.

1567
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:28,079
» Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but I think that's

1568
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,880
this is actually why we have two

1569
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:30,400
readings.

1570
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,760
» Yeah. Pat, do you want to continue with

1571
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,319
your questions?

1572
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,680
» Sure.

1573
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:40,000
» So, this one these are much easier I

1574
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:43,039
think. So, 2034.050 50 C.

1575
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:46,000
It says um interfere with emergency

1576
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:49,440
vehicle access is a public nuisance and

1577
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,880
I'm and maybe immediately abate it.

1578
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,599
Don't you think that should have a

1579
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:57,440
stronger word than maybe like shall be

1580
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:59,599
or should or must or something? I mean

1581
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,319
maybe immediately abate it. That what

1582
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:04,559
that doesn't seem for an emergency

1583
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:06,240
vehicle a very strong word.

1584
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:08,480
» Yeah, we can certainly make that change.

1585
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,880
» Okay. See, it's getting better.

1586
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:13,400
» There you go.

1587
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,400
» Then on 834.80,

1588
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:20,880
just a typo. Um I think you're um

1589
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:22,640
talking about um California. Oh, maybe

1590
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,480
it is California. I thought it was our

1591
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,960
code. Never mind. That might be right.

1592
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:30,880
California has longer code numbers. Then

1593
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:34,559
in the next sentence it says um you know

1594
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:37,280
it's saying that the commercial um drone

1595
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:40,799
may not intentionally connect collect

1596
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:44,240
use rema retain sell or disclose images

1597
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:47,720
video audio or sensor data. What says

1598
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,720
sensor data?

1599
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,119
I think sensor data could be anything.

1600
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:55,039
Uses positioning sensors to find out

1601
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:57,039
where it is in the world and it could

1602
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:58,960
somehow, you know, scan a property or a

1603
01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:02,720
house. Yeah, something like that.

1604
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:04,160
» All right, those were my questions.

1605
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,319
» Jane, do you have more questions or

1606
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,520
should we go to public comment?

1607
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:09,039
» I've got one quick question real quick.

1608
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,200
Um, I'm trying to find it, Rebecca, and

1609
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:14,799
I'm not able. Um, in our in our in our

1610
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:17,040
commercial zones, um, is there any

1611
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:20,400
misunderstanding that someone could

1612
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:22,799
identify drone deliveries?

1613
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,640
A drone delivery facility would be an

1614
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:28,279
allowable use.

1615
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,279
I don't think so.

1616
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,199
» No, it's not.

1617
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,799
» So, I mean, I don't think so either, but

1618
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,080
let me see if I can just find the MUN

1619
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:38,480
code really quickly.

1620
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:41,600
» So, that brings up another question.

1621
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:43,679
Sorry, can I ask one follow? Would it be

1622
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,719
like a warehouse type use or I guess I'm

1623
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:45,600
not

1624
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:49,199
» I I don't know that

1625
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:51,279
» Familiar with what a drone facility I

1626
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,279
know the origins of this is the is the

1627
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:56,640
is the fact that I've got a bug fly on

1628
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:59,040
me that uh

1629
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,480
I think the real risks here are the um

1630
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,960
the important things the prohibition on

1631
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:06,480
residential space and so forth but we

1632
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:08,560
don't have any um uh prohibitions or or

1633
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:11,759
or requirement for use permit within a

1634
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,199
commercial area. So my guess is someone

1635
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:15,839
would have to really thread that needle

1636
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:17,759
to currently to have that use in a

1637
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:19,839
commercial area that fits with what's

1638
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:21,199
allowed in that zone.

1639
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:22,799
So I'm just I'm just trying to gauge our

1640
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:25,359
risk about right now in in the

1641
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:27,359
commercial areas. Residentials is is an

1642
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,400
existing risk. I understand we want to

1643
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,239
clear that up.

1644
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,560
» But is it is it better to defi if

1645
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:33,600
there's any greyness? Is it better?

1646
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,960
» I agree. I'm just I'm just trying to

1647
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,480
trying to get a sense for for us all as

1648
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,199
far as the urgency to do something,

1649
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:39,440
» Right?

1650
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:41,600
» Yeah. Yes. when it comes back, I'll look

1651
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:43,520
I'll look into commercial.

1652
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:46,560
» Yeah. Just just just just to in the next

1653
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,920
report of it, you know, and and weigh

1654
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,239
in, you know, you know, from a from a

1655
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:54,159
land use perspective, how vulnerable are

1656
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:56,400
we in our commercial areas to a a a

1657
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:58,480
commercial um delivery facility, drone

1658
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:02,280
commercial facility in our in our

1659
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:02,280
existing allowable uses?

1660
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,400
» And do we really have commercial zone?

1661
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,280
Don't we have mixed use zone? It's mixed

1662
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:11,600
use and we do allow uh

1663
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,280
» Equipment rental, leasing, package

1664
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,159
delivery,

1665
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:18,000
office security. I don't know how. It

1666
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:20,239
seems like it could sort of manipulate

1667
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,880
itself into that. Yeah, one of those

1668
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:24,880
uses.

1669
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,640
» So, but do we need to change where we

1670
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,080
say our commercial zone? Because we

1671
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,960
don't really have a commercial zone

1672
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,159
anymore. We have a mixeduse zone.

1673
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,320
» We should say mixed use.

1674
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:37,280
» We should say mixed use.

1675
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,640
Um, should we go for to public comment

1676
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,440
before we bring this back for further

1677
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:43,679
discussion?

1678
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:44,960
» Beth, is there anybody online?

1679
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:47,920
» There are no hands raised.

1680
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:50,960
» Okay. All right. So, who wants to go

1681
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,320
first in terms of next steps or

1682
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,120
discussion?

1683
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:59,760
» Well, it it's it sounds like uh there's

1684
01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:02,080
a fair amount of comments on this. Uh,

1685
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,520
and it's probably not it's probably more

1686
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,159
sufficient than a second reading would

1687
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,760
would tolerate, I would imagine. Uh,

1688
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:09,360
would it just make sense to have staff

1689
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,560
consolidate the comments? Because we can

1690
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,560
all go through it here, but it might be

1691
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,000
better offline. I don't know. Uh,

1692
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:18,480
consolidate the comments, come back with

1693
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:21,440
a with a revised ordinance.

1694
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:22,960
» I think that's right. Um do we want to

1695
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:25,600
have a discussion around the number of

1696
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:28,080
deliveries in

1697
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,239
residential that it was it's just a

1698
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:34,360
stick your finger in the air. So is

1699
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:34,360
there any viewpoint there

1700
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,600
» And we've ex given exceptions for

1701
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,280
medical deliveries

1702
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,560
» Maybe start lower and you can always go

1703
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,719
up I mean you can always adjust it.

1704
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,159
» Medical um delivery doesn't count. No

1705
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:45,520
there exceptions exactly there are

1706
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:48,320
exceptions to that so we don't have to

1707
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:51,040
talk about that. So, I did a little um

1708
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:54,080
research with

1709
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:56,800
the Google one, Wing, and um actually

1710
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:58,400
they have a very nice YouTube on Wing

1711
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,960
that you can watch for several minutes.

1712
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,440
It's very interesting. Anyway, there's a

1713
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:06,080
limit of how much they can deliver and

1714
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:08,800
even Amazon Air, which is available in

1715
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:12,400
some cities, however none in California,

1716
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:16,400
um their limit is um I think five

1717
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:18,400
pounds. So, um I don't think we're

1718
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:22,480
talking, you know, like you get a big

1719
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:26,719
package from Amazon and Wing is only

1720
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:29,440
right now with Door Dash and Walmart.

1721
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:30,880
» So, um

1722
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:32,320
I'm not sure how many people use Door

1723
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,880
Dash and I'm not sure how many people

1724
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,000
use Walmart.

1725
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:38,719
» My kid daily if I'd let her.

1726
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,000
Um but I think I see the biggest stress

1727
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:43,280
is like food deliveries from San

1728
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:46,239
Francisco restaurants which

1729
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:49,600
» Yeah wanting to do that. We don't have

1730
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:51,360
any time um restrictions around this. I

1731
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,080
mean we have some thing there's a gnat

1732
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,560
flying around.

1733
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,719
» Yeah.

1734
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:58,239
» Whoever talks um we don't have any um

1735
01:12:56,719 --> 01:13:00,560
time restraints. I mean, I've looked at

1736
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:04,560
some other cities that have had drones

1737
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:07,679
like LA and Rancho Mirage and a couple

1738
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:10,960
other cities. Um, and some of them say

1739
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:13,600
it can only operate during um till um

1740
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,679
sunset. They don't allow it when it's

1741
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,360
dark. So, I don't know if that's

1742
01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:22,000
something that should be cons

1743
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:24,400
considered. Um, you know, or maybe not

1744
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,400
sunset, but say not after, you know, I

1745
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,080
mean, who wants to be in bed at 11:00

1746
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,239
for those of us who go to bed early and

1747
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,000
want to hear a drone delivery of a pizza

1748
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:34,239
next door? I mean, that would be a

1749
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,400
nuisance to me.

1750
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:41,280
» Yeah.

1751
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:43,679
And if we're talking about our two small

1752
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:46,320
um

1753
01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:49,120
potentially commercial areas for

1754
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:53,360
facility, do we want to put anything in

1755
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:56,400
there about um a distance from houses?

1756
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:59,040
Could we add something like that that it

1757
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:02,159
we we couldn't have a facility even in a

1758
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,880
commercial area unless it's more than

1759
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:07,280
200 feet from a residential

1760
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,679
a resident? I don't know if that's

1761
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:12,800
» But that wipes out the whole boardwalk.

1762
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:14,480
I mean, why do why even bother why even

1763
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,719
bother having this if we're going to be

1764
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:20,960
within 200 feet? I mean, the whole back

1765
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:22,880
of the our mixed use zone is within 200

1766
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,520
feet of houses in every direction. and

1767
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:28,320
anything that's zoned MU. So we would

1768
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:29,600
just rule out any commercial use at all

1769
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,000
if we did that.

1770
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,480
» Andrew, Andrew, we had that. Could

1771
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,000
Tibber just ignore anyway if our

1772
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:39,280
regulation said you can't come within

1773
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,239
200 ft, but it's our rules, not theirs.

1774
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,679
Could they ignore that?

1775
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:43,199
» It's just for a facility.

1776
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:45,840
» Yeah, for a facility. Meaning

1777
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:47,520
» Not for dropping off.

1778
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,120
» So if we had saying you can't have a

1779
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,199
commercial drone facility within 200

1780
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,640
feet, so essentially all of the road

1781
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:54,719
behind

1782
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,880
that could be problematic. If if Tibbron

1783
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:58,960
chooses to adopt

1784
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,880
» To allow that within the boardwalk,

1785
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,320
would our rules apply?

1786
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,760
» So, they would

1787
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,480
» I think they'd have to the operator

1788
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,080
would have to comply. Well, Tibbron can

1789
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,280
establish his own rules obviously for

1790
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,920
its jurisdiction.

1791
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,159
» Right.

1792
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,199
» Right. We can't regulate activities in

1793
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:13,920
TRON.

1794
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:16,239
» Right.

1795
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,719
» So, if it's wholly with throwing out

1796
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:21,040
200, I don't even know how far 200 is.

1797
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:22,480
Yeah, but that's I mean I I think I

1798
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,840
think council member Carat's probably

1799
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,520
right though. If it's 200 feet, it's

1800
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,159
basically saying just don't we're not

1801
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:26,640
allowing it,

1802
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:27,760
» Right?

1803
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,800
» And if that's the case, maybe we should

1804
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,239
just say it.

1805
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,000
» But

1806
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:34,880
» But I

1807
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,560
I mean over time behaviors and and

1808
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,320
expectations will change in terms of the

1809
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:41,440
community as well and what they want as

1810
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:44,719
this as this evolves. And so I think

1811
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:46,719
» Ruling things out completely

1812
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:48,960
» You can do it. Yeah. isn't necessarily

1813
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:50,560
the the the right op in in the

1814
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,800
commercial mixeduse zone isn't

1815
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,320
necessarily the right thing either.

1816
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,159
» Right. But certainly to one of your

1817
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,320
earlier comments, mayor, I mean given

1818
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:59,840
that the boardwalk is a likely location

1819
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,840
for some of these at least commercial

1820
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,760
drone activities.

1821
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,360
» I mean it does seem that cooperation and

1822
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,960
coordination with Tibbron would be

1823
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,159
ultimately be required

1824
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,320
» Required.

1825
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:11,360
» So wherever we this ordinance, I imagine

1826
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,120
it might be helpful to have a

1827
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:16,400
conversation with them.

1828
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:19,040
I mean, I I I think this is a very good

1829
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,320
conversation and I do think that the

1830
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,400
this is going to happen and it's going

1831
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,880
to happen quickly. I think what we need

1832
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,480
to optimize for is the use cases that

1833
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,000
are going to most impact the community.

1834
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:31,280
I I agree with Jane. think if we have

1835
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:34,719
such limited opportunities for um

1836
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:37,360
commercial use um cases in our mixeduse

1837
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:40,560
zones. I mean if it's just those two I

1838
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:42,719
mean really for me what I found very um

1839
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:45,520
satisfying about the ordinance is that

1840
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:48,080
it's trying to protect from all of these

1841
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:51,840
drones dropping into Belvadier using

1842
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:54,400
public space to deliver to homes. So

1843
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,719
envision sitting in your home and the

1844
01:16:54,400 --> 01:17:00,960
drones are landing in the middle of, you

1845
01:16:56,719 --> 01:17:03,440
know, Edgewater or Golden Gate Avenue um

1846
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:06,400
to deliver something to a resident. And

1847
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:08,560
so I think what this does is it it

1848
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:12,159
starts to protect those public spaces

1849
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,920
from use for residential benefit. And I

1850
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:15,120
think that's the most important thing

1851
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,199
right now because I think that's going

1852
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,960
to have the most immediate impact on our

1853
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:20,560
residents. I do think we have to have

1854
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,880
something for mixed use as well, but I

1855
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:25,520
feel like that's not an edge case, but

1856
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:27,600
it's certainly um a smaller use case

1857
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:29,360
than I think what could happen if people

1858
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:32,880
just decide they can land drones

1859
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,400
anywhere for residential deliveries

1860
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,159
because especially in Belvadier where

1861
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,840
not many people have not everyone has a

1862
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:41,760
level yard, not everyone has a driveway,

1863
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:43,760
not I mean so I think people will just

1864
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:46,000
naturally turn to public spaces in order

1865
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,679
to get these drones to deliver items.

1866
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,840
But so what are you proposing for the

1867
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:51,840
mixeduse zone?

1868
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,520
» For mixed use zones of for those two

1869
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,600
small places, I I think we should

1870
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,600
there's a lot of good thinking in the

1871
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,159
ordinance for that. Um and so I think we

1872
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,600
should definitely you know require a

1873
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,120
conditional use permit and we should go

1874
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:06,000
through planning and there's a process

1875
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:09,120
for it. But I I think for me the thing

1876
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:11,360
that is most urgent is to ensure that we

1877
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:14,719
are clear that public spaces are not

1878
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:16,480
available for drone delivery or landing.

1879
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:18,239
Um because I think residential use is

1880
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,840
going to be the primary use case in

1881
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:22,800
Belvadier at least initially.

1882
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:25,199
» Yeah. But but Jane your main point is to

1883
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,640
just s make it simpler make it easy make

1884
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:28,560
it easier to understand

1885
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,000
» Exact things that are most important to

1886
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,400
us right now.

1887
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,679
» Okay.

1888
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:35,440
» Like the public area I don't know maybe

1889
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:37,280
number of

1890
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:42,159
household

1891
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:44,560
I don't know I I think the idea of drone

1892
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:48,159
delivery is

1893
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:50,640
fantastic because of um traffic, you

1894
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:52,400
know. I mean, I think in a way it sounds

1895
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:55,440
amazing because it would cut down on

1896
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:58,800
cars going up and down our streets and

1897
01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:01,440
Tibbron Boulevard. Um so I'm not anti-

1898
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:06,000
drone delivery at all. I'm just trying

1899
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:09,199
to un this just reads very confusing and

1900
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:16,440
a lot of repetition and a lot of areas

1901
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:16,440
where it says um you know like um

1902
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:23,760
if a company I had a question of if a

1903
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:26,000
company it has repeated violations for

1904
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:28,800
either nuisance or noise or delivering

1905
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,040
in the wrong location is there a way to

1906
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:33,040
suspend that delivery? company from

1907
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,719
coming to Belvadier. I mean, you know,

1908
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,520
it's sort of like we write about a lot

1909
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:39,440
of nuisances, but what what options do

1910
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:42,080
we have? What what would be a legal

1911
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:46,800
remedy for us? And I think that was kind

1912
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:48,560
of missing. Um, so I mean people have to

1913
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,640
sign off, but what about the company

1914
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,360
signing in a way, you know? I don't

1915
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,040
know,

1916
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,040
» Right? I mean, there there are some I

1917
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:57,280
mean, we try to build or build build

1918
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,640
upon sort of existing remedies and

1919
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,080
procedures that we already have in the

1920
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,480
code.

1921
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,679
Now whether those whether those fines or

1922
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:05,040
penalties would be a sufficient

1923
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:06,880
deterrent, that's kind of another

1924
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,640
question. I mean I think we've seen in

1925
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,560
other arenas technology companies maybe

1926
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,480
not maybe sort of acting first and

1927
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:15,040
dealing with the consequences later.

1928
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:16,960
» So it's hard to say what would change

1929
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,679
that commercial behavior. I mean I'll be

1930
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:22,159
honest about that. But to go back to the

1931
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:23,360
to the earlier I guess it feels like

1932
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:24,800
people would like to move in the

1933
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,600
direction of simplifying the ordinance

1934
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,159
at least.

1935
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:30,000
» I may be the only one. I don't know. I I

1936
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:31,600
think a few have spoken to that. So I

1937
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,239
» Well, simpler is always better.

1938
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,679
» Yeah.

1939
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:35,600
» Yeah. I mean, would would it be

1940
01:20:33,679 --> 01:20:37,840
something so drastic as taking out the

1941
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,159
provisions about, you know, commercial

1942
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,600
drone facilities and commercial areas or

1943
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:44,000
mixed use areas?

1944
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,679
» No, that's an important aspect. I mean,

1945
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,000
I was I mean since people said it was a

1946
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:49,679
sort of I think I think

1947
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,679
» I think Kevin laid it out very well. the

1948
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:56,000
the the priorities just

1949
01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:58,560
you know a generation ago when pizza

1950
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,719
delivery was a big deal um you know it

1951
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:02,480
always went to if you live in a a rural

1952
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:04,400
area it would come to like a local park

1953
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:05,760
then you'd have to meet them there that

1954
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,199
might be the first step here and so this

1955
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,400
needs to protect against that needs to

1956
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:09,840
pro protect against dropping in

1957
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,000
Edgewater and Golden Gate as Kevin

1958
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,840
talked about so so I think the

1959
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,400
residential prohibition on residential

1960
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:18,480
issue and and defining how and where how

1961
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,800
and where and when it can be and when

1962
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:23,360
and as as Pat Pat talked about can be

1963
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,880
used is important. Um, and then segue to

1964
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:28,159
the commercial aspect of it where it's

1965
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,760
limited to that. Um, I I I'd be as

1966
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:31,760
flexible as possible there as you have

1967
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,360
already with with with the with the

1968
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,640
findings necessary and the types of

1969
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,080
things that you're you're you're

1970
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,679
suggesting the planning commission would

1971
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:40,400
consider because we don't know what it'd

1972
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:42,080
be. I mean, the the blank company could

1973
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,840
redevelop that property with a with a

1974
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,440
three-story building and and they have a

1975
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,640
facility on the roof that accepts all

1976
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:48,080
these things, which is probably a great

1977
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,800
solution for the area because it's above

1978
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,000
people's

1979
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,760
» People's zone and you wouldn't care

1980
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,280
about 200 feet at that point.

1981
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,719
» Um, and maybe we want all the tax

1982
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,280
revenue. Maybe we want that that that

1983
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:59,520
that adjacency. It might not be a bad

1984
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:01,120
idea. Um, so I don't know that we want

1985
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:03,040
to necessarily limit it, but we just

1986
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:05,600
want to be flexible and let the let the

1987
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:08,480
use permit on the commercial side um be

1988
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:10,320
be fully discretional discretion I can't

1989
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,960
I don't know what the word is

1990
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,400
» Discretion

1991
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,440
» At the discretion of the planning

1992
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:17,600
commission I'm sorry uh

1993
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:19,120
but I think if we can simplify it having

1994
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,120
some experience with with code it's hard

1995
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:23,199
to simplify though because you you you

1996
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,239
do get circular references all the time

1997
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:25,760
you know going back on it

1998
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:27,600
» Right so so it sounds like at this point

1999
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:30,159
we're not staff is not eliminating

2000
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,679
sections per se, but certainly looking

2001
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,199
towards where we can streamline the

2002
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:35,280
ordinance a bit. Is that

2003
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:37,199
» Maybe the flow should should should

2004
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,520
approach the priorities that that laid

2005
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:38,639
out.

2006
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,480
» I was just going to say I mean there's

2007
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:42,800
the purpose, the definition, then

2008
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:43,199
there's residential use rules.

2009
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,000
» Okay.

2010
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:46,400
» Commercial use rules and then general.

2011
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:46,880
» Okay.

2012
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:47,760
» Um

2013
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,679
» That's helpful. Thank you.

2014
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,480
» And then I think that might be more

2015
01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:53,480
straightforward.

2016
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:53,480
» Okay.

2017
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,560
» Okay. Uh, you have enough direction

2018
01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:59,520
there, Andrew

2019
01:22:58,560 --> 01:22:59,920
» And Robert.

2020
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,320
» Yes.

2021
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:04,960
» Okay, perfect.

2022
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,560
» And thank you for this because I I I I I

2023
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,120
see how it makes sense to get it on the

2024
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:12,560
books and I know it's maybe we'll be a

2025
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:14,159
model for other communities on this.

2026
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,639
» Certainly, the mayor has been helping us

2027
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:18,400
lead on this issue.

2028
01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:20,719
» Might be a big ass mistake, but let's

2029
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:24,000
see.

2030
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:27,760
Um, okay. We are moving on to other

2031
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:29,679
scheduled items. Uh number six 6 uh 6A

2032
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:31,520
is an update in discussion of the fire

2033
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:33,679
annexation with the Tibbron fire

2034
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:36,239
protection district. And the genesis of

2035
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:37,840
this was really that Robert had

2036
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:39,600
essentially said to the council members

2037
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,360
that we would we're still in process but

2038
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,880
that we'd come with a update for the

2039
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:45,280
council and the community in terms of

2040
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:48,560
where that negotiation currently stands.

2041
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:50,639
So Robert, this is all yours.

2042
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,920
» Thank you. Helga and I did discuss it

2043
01:23:50,639 --> 01:23:52,239
and she's going to be introducing this

2044
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,440
one.

2045
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:57,360
» Sorry, Helga.

2046
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:59,360
» Thank you, Mayor Wilkinson and city

2047
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:01,920
council. Before you tonight is the

2048
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:04,639
update on the city's review of long-term

2049
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:07,120
options for providing fire and emergency

2050
01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:09,760
medical services, including an

2051
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:12,560
evaluation of potential annexation to

2052
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:14,719
the Tibberon Fire Protection District.

2053
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,560
As a council is aware, the city has

2054
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:19,520
contracted with the Tibbron Fire

2055
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:21,520
Protection District since 1980. While

2056
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,920
the partnership has consistently

2057
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:26,159
provided highquality fire and EMS

2058
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:28,800
services, the current expenditure-based

2059
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:31,840
contract has become increasingly

2060
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:34,080
difficult to sustain financially. Fire

2061
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:36,800
parcel tax revenues have not kept pace

2062
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:40,239
with contract costs. And in fiscal year

2063
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:44,800
2627, the tax is projected to fund only

2064
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:47,520
about 47% of the city's 2.67 million

2065
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:50,239
dollar contract cost with the remaining

2066
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:52,159
balance paid by the general fund. Over

2067
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:54,880
the past few years, the city has

2068
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:57,199
evaluated several long-term financial

2069
01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:00,400
options to improve the sustainability

2070
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:04,000
and predictability for fire name EMS

2071
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:06,000
services. In 2023, the city explored

2072
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,320
voter feasibility polling for a

2073
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:10,159
supplemental fire tax, which showed

2074
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:13,360
support well below the twothirds

2075
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:16,719
threshold required for a special tax. In

2076
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:18,639
July of 2024, the city began exploratory

2077
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:21,440
discussion with the fire district

2078
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:24,159
regarding possible annexation, including

2079
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:27,280
a joint task force with Tibbron Fire

2080
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:29,199
District and Marin Lavco. Citygate

2081
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:31,679
associates were hired to provide

2082
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:34,080
financial modeling to evaluate a fair

2083
01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:37,040
allocation that would be sustainable for

2084
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:39,360
both agencies. In addition, the city

2085
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:40,960
obtained separate legal and financial

2086
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:43,840
analysis

2087
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:46,639
on several issues outside the scope of

2088
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:49,199
citygate. Most importantly, whether we

2089
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:51,760
could legally transfer our fire parcel

2090
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:54,800
tax to the fire district or retain it

2091
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:57,360
under an annexation agreement. The city

2092
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,679
was advised by Marin Lavco that

2093
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:02,960
annexation could increase the risk of

2094
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:05,679
the fire tax being repealed over time as

2095
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:09,280
the purpose of the annexation become

2096
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:11,600
become became less familiar to voters.

2097
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,800
The city also considered replacing the

2098
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:17,840
fire tax with a new emergency services

2099
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:20,400
tax. However, passing a new special tax

2100
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:23,520
with no sunset and twothirds voter

2101
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:27,040
approval would be very difficult and was

2102
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:29,679
ruled out. In March of 2026, the joint

2103
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:31,920
task force reconvened to discuss the

2104
01:26:29,679 --> 01:26:34,560
findings and due to the risk of the fire

2105
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:36,880
tax repeal ultimately determined

2106
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:40,159
annexation was not practical at this

2107
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:42,239
time. Based on those findings, staff and

2108
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:44,800
the fire district believe the best path

2109
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:47,360
forward is to negotiate an updated

2110
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:50,400
service contract, which was last revised

2111
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:52,000
in 2000. The joint task force will

2112
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,840
explore transitioning from an

2113
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,920
expenditure-based model to a

2114
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:58,480
revenue-based model with clear

2115
01:26:55,920 --> 01:27:00,560
definitions of the properties covered.

2116
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:02,719
The goal will be to develop a more

2117
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,800
predictable and sustainable funding

2118
01:27:02,719 --> 01:27:07,920
model while maintaining the high level

2119
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:10,239
of fire and emergency medical services.

2120
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,239
Once negotiations are complete, the

2121
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:14,320
proposed agreement will be reviewed by

2122
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:17,280
the finance committee before returning

2123
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:19,920
to the city council for recommendation.

2124
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:21,040
And with that, staff will take any

2125
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,920
questions.

2126
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:25,440
» Does anybody have questions? First off,

2127
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,760
Jane,

2128
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:30,400
» Can you remind me how Tibrron covers

2129
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,320
their how do they pay the uh Tibbron

2130
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:34,719
Fire District?

2131
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:38,639
» Um, it's through their property tax.

2132
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:39,679
They do have a small um fire tax as

2133
01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:41,199
well. So

2134
01:27:39,679 --> 01:27:43,120
» So it's not a parcel tax.

2135
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:46,480
» I mean a par they have a small parcel

2136
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:48,000
tax but they they can start and stop

2137
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:50,239
their parcel tax.

2138
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,600
» James to remind you that the district

2139
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:52,560
doesn't overlap completely with with

2140
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,800
Tibberon, right?

2141
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:56,800
» And the district um is paid for as a

2142
01:27:54,800 --> 01:28:00,880
direct appropriation of their taxes. So,

2143
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:03,360
so um uh the 1% that goes to that that's

2144
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,880
a tax a fixed percentage goes to the

2145
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:07,600
district if you're in that district and

2146
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:09,600
a lesser amount goes to the city the the

2147
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,440
town of Tibberon. In our case, we don't

2148
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,360
pay we don't have anybody going to the

2149
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:15,120
district. It comes to us and we have a

2150
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,639
special tax on top of it combined which

2151
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,560
which we pay.

2152
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:21,360
» And the reason that exists is because

2153
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:24,159
the fire district existed when Prop 13

2154
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:26,400
happened but we had an independent

2155
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:27,760
voluntary fire department. So if we had

2156
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,000
already been

2157
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:28,639
» Uh

2158
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,760
» Okay

2159
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:31,520
» There would have been an allocation

2160
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,719
directly from our taxes but there wasn't

2161
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,280
and that's why we have a contract for

2162
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:36,080
service.

2163
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:37,840
» Okay that that's the piece I was

2164
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:40,560
forgetting

2165
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:43,040
» And then yeah so about the contract is

2166
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:45,920
that something that'll come back to the

2167
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:47,760
council to discuss or how how does that

2168
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:52,159
move forward?

2169
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:54,960
So, we will the task force will work on

2170
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:57,280
a proposed contract and then it we'll go

2171
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,719
to the finance committee and then it'll

2172
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:01,719
come to council.

2173
01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:01,719
» Okay.

2174
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,520
» Any other questions?

2175
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,840
Okay. Let's open it for public comment.

2176
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,040
Beth, is there any public comment?

2177
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:11,840
» There are no hands raised.

2178
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:13,920
» Great. So, does anybody We don't need

2179
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:17,920
any. There's no motion here. Uh any

2180
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:20,800
other comments or no that was very easy.

2181
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:24,080
Uh okay in that case we will close the

2182
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:25,760
item and we will move on to item 6B

2183
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:29,280
which is a discussion and possible

2184
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:31,360
action on an RL for in the public right

2185
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:35,800
of way for the property at 180 Beach

2186
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:35,800
Road. Rebecca I think this is you.

2187
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:51,280
Can you hear me? Yes. Good evening,

2188
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:53,360
Mayor Wilkinson and council members. Uh

2189
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:55,280
for your consideration tonight, this is

2190
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:58,880
a revocable license application for an

2191
01:29:55,280 --> 01:30:01,280
existing curb and new pavers at 180

2192
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:04,400
Beach Road.

2193
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:06,159
On June 11th, 2025, the city granted

2194
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,639
design review exception for a small

2195
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:11,520
addition deck extension, hill elevator,

2196
01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:13,679
and window and door changes. As a

2197
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:16,239
project progressed, the applicant

2198
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:19,679
proposed new parking on private property

2199
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:21,760
with a small portion of the paving

2200
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:23,840
uh due to the design and angle of the

2201
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:26,159
parking space in the city right of way.

2202
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,920
So, you can sort of

2203
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:29,520
I don't know where my cursor is. I lost

2204
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,800
my cursor, but it's down at the bottom

2205
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:34,639
there, the shaded area. Um, here the

2206
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:37,280
draft revocable license shows the

2207
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:40,880
existing curb and proposed pavers shaded

2208
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:43,679
within the Beach Road rightway. Um,

2209
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,760
additionally, it was uh determined that

2210
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:48,400
the

2211
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:52,560
corner of the carport also encroaches

2212
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:54,960
into the right of way. Um, and so should

2213
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:57,679
this revocable license be approved

2214
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:59,840
tonight, we will update the exhibit and

2215
01:30:57,679 --> 01:31:03,280
shade that corner. That carport's been

2216
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:05,280
there forever. Um, it just was realized

2217
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:08,800
as we were putting the presentation

2218
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:11,120
together today. Um, and so that that

2219
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:13,840
will also be shaded as well. There's

2220
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:16,880
also that low uh the neighbors landscape

2221
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:18,719
wall. Um, I don't think it should be

2222
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,560
incumbent on this property owner to take

2223
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:22,639
on responsibility and liability of their

2224
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:26,239
neighbor's wall. So, we will address

2225
01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:28,480
that with the adjacent neighbor.

2226
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:30,560
Um, so tonight, staff recommends that

2227
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:34,000
the findings for the revocable license

2228
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:36,639
can be made um as a project benefits the

2229
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:39,199
public.

2230
01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:42,199
» Okay. Any questions from council

2231
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:42,199
members?

2232
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:49,840
» Go for it. Hi.

2233
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:53,040
Um, just to confirm, so the shaded area

2234
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:57,600
um that sort of protrudes into Beach

2235
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:59,920
Road uh is on city property and is

2236
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,880
contemplated to have pavers.

2237
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:04,320
» Correct.

2238
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:08,320
» Okay. Just comparing.

2239
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:09,040
» And is there also a curb on that shaded

2240
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:12,639
area?

2241
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:16,239
» Yes. So, they would construct a curb

2242
01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:18,159
partway along there.

2243
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:19,920
» Um,

2244
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:21,600
» There's a curb. Yeah, there there there

2245
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,960
was an existing curb and so they're

2246
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,800
going to replace the curb,

2247
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,280
» But there's no curb right now. It's all

2248
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,880
gone.

2249
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,600
» There isn't one right now because of

2250
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:32,000
their construction staging. Previously,

2251
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,719
there I think.

2252
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,520
» Yeah. Well, that's their low wall. No,

2253
01:32:34,719 --> 01:32:37,520
» That's the curve. Oh,

2254
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,360
» That is the curve. Yeah. So that'll be

2255
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,560
there'll also be a curve

2256
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,840
» Or short.

2257
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,199
» Yeah.

2258
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,600
» Can you can you pull up the next slide

2259
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:44,159
again?

2260
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,560
» Yeah.

2261
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:49,760
» That seems like a really difficult

2262
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:52,159
parking space to navigate into

2263
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,840
» Because you've got you've got the

2264
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:55,840
carport there.

2265
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,920
» Well, they have a driveway that's half

2266
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:00,080
of that carport is driveway.

2267
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,840
» Yeah. And so I think they'll level it.

2268
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:05,520
It's we it's if you go up there now it's

2269
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:06,639
like it because of their staging. But I

2270
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,480
suppose what they're going to do is

2271
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:10,719
level the driveway is pretty steep, but

2272
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:13,520
they'll bring that grade down.

2273
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:14,000
» Can you go back to the original picture?

2274
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,880
» Yeah.

2275
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:18,960
» So that whole parking area, Sally, is

2276
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,600
where that stone wall is and all those

2277
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,000
bushes.

2278
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,440
» Yeah.

2279
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:25,760
» All that's been pushed back

2280
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:28,080
back. So they where their car is right

2281
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:31,360
there, they could just go right in front

2282
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:34,159
of that park car and enter. The parking

2283
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,960
space is behind that stone wall.

2284
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:36,800
» Right. That makes sense.

2285
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:39,040
» The legal that's their property back

2286
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,760
there. So it's actually pretty easy to

2287
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:44,400
enter it. And also if the curb were not

2288
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:47,199
there, which I don't do not support the

2289
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:50,000
curb. If the curb were not there, they

2290
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:52,159
could even come in coming down the hill

2291
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,760
and just turn right into their parking

2292
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:55,679
spot in the other direction.

2293
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,880
» And if you went and visited the site,

2294
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:58,960
you would see they've already

2295
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:02,960
constructed the retaining wall behind it

2296
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:04,800
and it's all open, so you can see how

2297
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,120
it's pretty easy, right?

2298
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:09,199
» Yeah.

2299
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:11,600
» Okay. Um, any other questions for staff

2300
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:13,840
on this?

2301
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:17,159
Seeing none, we will open this for

2302
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:17,159
public comment.

2303
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,120
» Sorry. Uh, Alec Wilson has his hand

2304
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,320
raised.

2305
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,920
» The architect.

2306
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,120
» Any questions for the architect?

2307
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:30,600
Otherwise,

2308
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:30,600
» I don't think we have any questions. So,

2309
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:36,719
» No. Um, in that case, let's bring this

2310
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,880
back for um

2311
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:40,400
» For discussion. I think that Kevin wants

2312
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,639
to go first.

2313
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,440
No, I don't need to. Um,

2314
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:47,840
» Yeah,

2315
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:49,600
» I I think it's a a great way of um, you

2316
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,920
know, leaving some of the parking issues

2317
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:55,440
in in the city, and I think this seems

2318
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:57,679
like it's a a win for both the um,

2319
01:34:55,440 --> 01:35:00,560
applicant and the city. The only um

2320
01:34:57,679 --> 01:35:05,360
issue I have is with the papers that are

2321
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:08,000
in the public um, that bleed over into

2322
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:10,960
public land or city land. Um, I think

2323
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:13,280
we've made that accommodation before in

2324
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:15,920
the past and in hindsight I think it was

2325
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:17,440
a mistake. It's uh it creates confusion

2326
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:19,199
when you're driving down the road. It's

2327
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:22,080
like is that part of the road or is that

2328
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:23,840
part of somebody's home? Um, and so I

2329
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:28,000
would strongly advocate for just ending

2330
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:31,600
the pavers at the property line. Um, so

2331
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:34,960
uh we're not allowing people to change

2332
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:38,400
the physical makeup of city land to

2333
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,400
suggest that it's private land.

2334
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,840
you want to go.

2335
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:46,560
» Is there a chance that without that it

2336
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,199
could be seen as a public parking space?

2337
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,159
» Well, the

2338
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:52,239
» Well, no, because Can I Can I jump in

2339
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:54,159
real quick? Okay. First of all, um the

2340
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:56,639
um there is a parking space there,

2341
01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:58,400
correct? Which the surp doesn't doesn't

2342
01:35:56,639 --> 01:35:59,120
address.

2343
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,639
» There's a parking space.

2344
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,239
» Wouldn't that be removed? There's a

2345
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:04,880
parking space immediately outside this

2346
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:05,360
this role license area and part of it

2347
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,199
» Public

2348
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:10,880
» Public space which is going away

2349
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:14,159
» Isn't that being removed um and and and

2350
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:15,679
to the the

2351
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:17,520
drawing is misleading to what's actually

2352
01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:18,719
there because because I mean it's

2353
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:21,679
accurate but it's misleading in the

2354
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:24,000
sense that the the the fence line if you

2355
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:26,800
go complete completely um horizontal

2356
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:29,280
left of the of the of the of the gate is

2357
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:31,440
is that old curb and what they're

2358
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:33,360
proposing for the new curb going there.

2359
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:35,760
So it doesn't stick out into the road.

2360
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:37,760
There's no road be in that gray area.

2361
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,280
» So So it looks like it sticks on the

2362
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:41,280
road, but it really doesn't. Um it's

2363
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,320
that right there has always been I'm not

2364
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,840
saying it's their property, but it's

2365
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:46,800
always been defined as their property.

2366
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:48,960
If you go back to your first slide,

2367
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,760
um with with a picture of it, that's

2368
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:54,719
what that line is.

2369
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:57,280
You know, the where the old curb is,

2370
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:58,639
that's what the the gray area demarks.

2371
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:01,440
It's the same what it was.

2372
01:36:58,639 --> 01:37:03,040
» Yeah. And so it there's no confusion

2373
01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:04,800
that the road is there because the road

2374
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:08,400
is is outbound of this. In fact, there's

2375
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:10,159
a parking space there. Um I I would

2376
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:12,560
actually I do have a big problem with

2377
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:15,520
this because because they're they're

2378
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:17,199
privatizing a public parking space here.

2379
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:19,040
There was a parking space that was out

2380
01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:21,440
there that wasn't theirs. They're now

2381
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,880
taking their their property and our

2382
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:25,280
property and making a private parking

2383
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,800
space. And I was just they want to do

2384
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,639
that. They should limit their access and

2385
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,840
keep the outside parking space. meaning

2386
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:31,679
they should they should keep the curb

2387
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,280
there, keep the parking space, and have

2388
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:35,679
a more restrictive access to their

2389
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:37,600
parking space. I mean, I don't know why

2390
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:39,600
we're allowing them to have a really

2391
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:42,800
flexible private parking space with with

2392
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:45,199
with access to and from it while while

2393
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:48,000
while removing a a public parking space

2394
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:49,280
in the street. So I guess we should

2395
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,840
there should have been more context here

2396
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:53,920
because one of the main recommendations

2397
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,960
of the traffic and circulation committee

2398
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:59,040
way back when was that this congestion

2399
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,080
point is a nightmare for everybody. So

2400
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:02,239
taking away the parking space is a good

2401
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:04,239
thing is a hugely beneficial thing and

2402
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:06,239
so we so Rebecca actually approached the

2403
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:08,320
homeowners to see if they were willing

2404
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:10,159
to put a parking space on their property

2405
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,440
so that that parking space could be

2406
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,639
eliminated. It was the key

2407
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:14,800
recommendation of the traffic and

2408
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:17,280
circulation committee. So it is so it

2409
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:19,440
isn't privatizing anything. They agreed

2410
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,639
to to do that because we

2411
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:21,840
» Well, they are it is their parking

2412
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:22,800
space. I mean no one will will park

2413
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,760
there now.

2414
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,920
» Right.

2415
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,679
» Right. But I guess they were they were

2416
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:30,880
the ones that were primarily using the

2417
01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:31,600
public parking space. Correct Rebecca or

2418
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,960
not?

2419
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,960
» Oh yeah. Are people coming to their

2420
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,280
house to help out? So,

2421
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:40,480
» So, so this will eliminate that public

2422
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:42,159
space and create a more open area where

2423
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:45,280
there we all know there's a pinch point

2424
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:47,520
on Beach Road and there was recent

2425
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:49,520
police ambulance activity that you know

2426
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,000
it got up there but it it was a tight

2427
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,080
squeeze.

2428
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,280
» Okay. So, so for the record, we we want

2429
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:55,600
that space gone. Yes.

2430
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:57,199
» And it's not it's not a detriment to the

2431
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,800
public park. It's a benefit. Okay. I

2432
01:38:57,199 --> 01:38:59,920
wasn't aware of that. I'm sorry.

2433
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,920
» I should have been more clear.

2434
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,920
» Yeah.

2435
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:11,119
Um, if I can jump in. Um, I I visited

2436
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:13,360
and I saw exactly where the property

2437
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:17,600
line was in relationship to everything

2438
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:21,199
that's shown here. And I think that um

2439
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:27,040
our our code says a per a parking space

2440
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:29,760
is 8t by um 18 I think 8t wide by 18t

2441
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:33,440
long. and they seem to have more than

2442
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:35,280
more than enough space on their property

2443
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:39,280
100%.

2444
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:42,000
I am would not support uh changing our

2445
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:44,400
the street and adding pavers there. I

2446
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,639
think it should look like street which

2447
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:49,760
is what matches the driveway and

2448
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:51,760
everything else. And it does widen that

2449
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:54,560
terrible choke point there. One of the

2450
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:57,679
choke points. And as far as the curb, I

2451
01:39:54,560 --> 01:40:00,159
think the curb chokes it again. So, if

2452
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:03,040
they want a curb, I think they could put

2453
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:06,400
a curb on their property line. They can

2454
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:08,880
put a curb there, not come into uh the

2455
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:12,480
city-owned property.

2456
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:14,480
And um

2457
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:17,360
and I think they did us a favor by

2458
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:19,199
removing that curb so we didn't have to

2459
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:22,880
ask them to remove it. So, thank you for

2460
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:25,920
doing that. And I agree that the painted

2461
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:29,840
parking space should be eliminated

2462
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:31,520
there. And in fact, if I had a choice, I

2463
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:33,040
would ask the neighbors next door if we

2464
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:36,000
could eliminate the one in front of

2465
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:39,360
them, that house, because those two

2466
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:43,119
parking spaces really are horrific for

2467
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:45,520
that corner into Bay View and truck.

2468
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:48,400
Every truck gets stuck there. I walk it

2469
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:50,560
at least once a day and it's a nightmare

2470
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:53,840
anytime but terrible in the morning and

2471
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:55,760
evening. So getting rid of both those

2472
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:58,480
would be ideal. I don't I don't know if

2473
01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:00,320
we're able to do that but I don't I

2474
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:02,159
think they can do everything on their

2475
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,360
own property and that's what I would

2476
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:04,719
vote for.

2477
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,159
» Rebecca, can I ask a question though

2478
01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:08,560
because because right now until they've

2479
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:10,320
applied for this RL

2480
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:12,239
even though there isn't an existing RL

2481
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:15,280
they have that land right now. Correct.

2482
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:17,119
Exactly. It the the it won't change. The

2483
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:18,960
circumstances won't change. The road

2484
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:20,080
won't get narrower.

2485
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,679
» Right. So, they could just turn around

2486
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,400
and say, "Actually, if we take this

2487
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:25,400
away, we don't want the

2488
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,400
» RL."

2489
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,880
» They've already built it.

2490
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:32,560
» We don't. But it's already in their

2491
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:35,040
existing plans until we ask them to

2492
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:38,400
submit for this change. They effectively

2493
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:39,520
already had that land. Correct. Or not.

2494
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,760
» No.

2495
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,719
» Uh I don't know.

2496
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,719
Let me look into that.

2497
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:45,719
» Okay.

2498
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:51,600
» No, I mean they can't it's not property.

2499
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:53,840
They can't build it. Um and and they

2500
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:55,360
actually can't if they hadn't demolished

2501
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,760
it, they could have left it alone and

2502
01:41:55,360 --> 01:42:00,000
and and not sought a new robo license.

2503
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:02,159
They've demolished it. So they can't

2504
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:05,440
rebuild it now necessarily because they

2505
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:07,440
don't have a license to rebuild it.

2506
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:08,560
» So that's true, Rebecca. Even if there

2507
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:10,159
wasn't going to be a parking space,

2508
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,719
they'd have to apply for an RL right now

2509
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:15,040
because they've removed

2510
01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:17,600
» They've

2511
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:19,679
» They can fit their car in on their own

2512
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,000
property. They can fit a curb on their

2513
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:21,199
own.

2514
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:27,800
» I understand that, but I'm just trying

2515
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:27,800
to establish um the process here.

2516
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:52,360
Alec, do you mind unmuting yourself

2517
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,360
or you should be able to speak?

2518
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:56,400
» Yes.

2519
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:58,320
» Can you

2520
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:00,239
» Hello.

2521
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,679
» Alec Wilson, architect for 270 Beach

2522
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:02,960
Road.

2523
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:03,840
» 180.

2524
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,920
» Sorry.

2525
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:09,280
» Look at that. That was a good

2526
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:11,920
180. Let's have it.

2527
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:14,239
» Uh, when your original design review

2528
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:17,360
project went through, Alec, did you guys

2529
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:19,840
have any um was this that front

2530
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:21,440
retaining wall or front low curb and

2531
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:24,560
plants

2532
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:26,159
part of your original design review?

2533
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:28,320
» No, our original design review was to

2534
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:29,679
leave all of that intact,

2535
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:32,960
» But then through the construction

2536
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:34,400
staging, you demolished it.

2537
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,880
» Correct. There was a construction

2538
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:39,199
staging permit and they applied for that

2539
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:42,000
work to to create an off- streetet

2540
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:44,400
parking space for staging uh of the of

2541
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:46,480
the construction process which has been

2542
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:49,520
very useful indeed. That is an extremely

2543
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:51,760
tight, extremely dangerous corner.

2544
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:53,600
» Y

2545
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,280
» And the intention was to build it back

2546
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,719
as is.

2547
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,239
» Yeah. The original intention was to

2548
01:43:56,719 --> 01:44:00,480
build it back as is. And in

2549
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:03,760
conversations with with you and my

2550
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:07,119
clients, the the the prospect of getting

2551
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:09,679
a safer place to park outside of the

2552
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:10,960
traffic on that corner was how we came

2553
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:12,560
up with the scheme in front of you,

2554
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:14,880
which is indeed a parking space

2555
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:17,119
completely on private property. If you

2556
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:19,920
drive in and back up a little bit, then

2557
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:22,639
the car is parked on their property and

2558
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:25,760
not in the revocable license area.

2559
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:28,639
» And do you need that um curb

2560
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:31,119
in front? the curb was there. If that

2561
01:44:28,639 --> 01:44:33,440
parking space were to remain, it gives

2562
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:36,480
definition to that parking space, not

2563
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:39,679
having that parking space bleed off into

2564
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:42,480
um our client space. So, it it's about

2565
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:44,000
defining those that space and also

2566
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:45,760
defines the front entrance. Like that's

2567
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,679
the front gate and the front gate as you

2568
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:49,760
walk down there has a short curb wall on

2569
01:44:47,679 --> 01:44:51,280
both sides. It's kind of classic for old

2570
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:53,679
Belvadier Island to have those little

2571
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:56,080
curbs on either side of the gate as you

2572
01:44:53,679 --> 01:44:59,360
walk in.

2573
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:01,440
» Okay. Thank you.

2574
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:04,000
» I mean, I think he clarified that the

2575
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:07,360
curb could go on their property. I see a

2576
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:08,080
curb like a fence. It's a permanent and

2577
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,840
we don't

2578
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:11,840
» If that just as a clarification, if that

2579
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:13,280
curb was to swing onto the property, I

2580
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,320
would not be able to get the car into

2581
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,000
that space.

2582
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:18,080
» Alec, could you could you swing that

2583
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:21,440
curb? I agree with you that the the Hi.

2584
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:23,199
Hi, Alec. This is Peter. Sorry. The um I

2585
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:25,600
think the curb on on either side of the

2586
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:28,239
fence is continuity and that works well.

2587
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:30,159
Could you swing that curb around on the

2588
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:31,679
side and stop it at the new retaining

2589
01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:33,040
wall

2590
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:34,560
that's going in?

2591
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:37,280
» If you look at our drawing there, we've

2592
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:38,960
got 4 foot five approximately of of curb

2593
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:41,520
on the left side of the ent of the

2594
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:43,440
pedestrian entry as you come in. And and

2595
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:46,080
you know, if it went 4 foot five or six

2596
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:47,760
feet instead of the the 14T, I just want

2597
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:49,679
to establish that there's like

2598
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:52,080
» Pedestrian entry is separate and

2599
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:54,000
distinct from the from the vehicle

2600
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,199
entrance. That's the most important

2601
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,119
aesthetic part

2602
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:59,119
» That that that seems more in keeping

2603
01:45:57,119 --> 01:46:01,280
with what we're we're trying to trying

2604
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:03,520
to do there is to turn that curb, you

2605
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:06,080
know, as much on the on on the the

2606
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:08,719
applicant's property as possible and tie

2607
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:10,560
it into or or or buttend it to the um

2608
01:46:08,719 --> 01:46:12,639
the new retaining wall that that that

2609
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:16,239
surrounds the new parking space and

2610
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:19,199
having the the the revocal area be more,

2611
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:21,520
you know, public facing, public

2612
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:23,600
appearing and widening of the road that

2613
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:26,000
that was there. In practice, it's still

2614
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:27,199
going to be, you know, accessible for

2615
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,480
that parking space. And it actually

2616
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:30,320
makes that easier because you can go out

2617
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:31,679
forward or backwards at that point.

2618
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,760
» Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing

2619
01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:35,520
as far as widening that road for the

2620
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:37,360
people driving by is the limitation of

2621
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,760
that parking space. Once that parking

2622
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:42,080
space is gone, if that parking space is

2623
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:44,480
gone, then then that's much wider road

2624
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:46,800
at that point. Uh, one one of the things

2625
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:50,400
I was dealing with here is that the the

2626
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:52,400
existing asphalt road of Beach Road

2627
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,320
there has some kind of retaining wall

2628
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:55,920
supporting the edge of the road.

2629
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:57,920
» And the reason we're using pavers

2630
01:46:55,920 --> 01:47:00,719
instead of concrete or asphalt is so

2631
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:03,280
that the existing structure remains

2632
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:05,440
intact and then the pavers are floating

2633
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:07,280
on fill held by a new retaining wall

2634
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:09,119
rather than trying to connect all of the

2635
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:10,960
structures. And so that was the

2636
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:13,360
fundamental reason I have pavers is to

2637
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:15,360
have a flexible connection between the

2638
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:19,040
two, structurally flexible connection

2639
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:21,040
between the two rather than um uh tying

2640
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:25,119
it all together and and having a load of

2641
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:26,800
beach road beyond that parking space.

2642
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:28,400
» You also have um and you also have a

2643
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,920
grade change there, don't you? That is

2644
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,840
something.

2645
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:33,119
» Yeah. So as as you were asking earlier,

2646
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,239
so we're going to be coming in on a

2647
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:35,679
little bit warp. There's a warped

2648
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:37,280
driveway leading down to the existing

2649
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:39,199
carport which will remain. So you can

2650
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:41,440
still get into the existing carport. And

2651
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:43,679
then that warp will lead to a largely

2652
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:45,280
flatter area of that parking space. But

2653
01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:49,199
it will be set up so that the entrance

2654
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:51,199
is really primarily from the driveway

2655
01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:52,400
rather than from the nose up where and

2656
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:54,480
that's the other reason I had that curve

2657
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:57,199
was to help me differentiate the

2658
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:58,560
» The the slopes. So that that 10-ft curve

2659
01:47:57,199 --> 01:48:00,639
on the right side there helps me

2660
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:03,360
differentiate the slopes from one side

2661
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:05,440
to the other where um you know it's it's

2662
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:07,760
it's pretty steep over there.

2663
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:10,719
» Yeah. I also think that I mean to to to

2664
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:13,520
our our our goal here is to limit that

2665
01:48:10,719 --> 01:48:17,280
the 10-ft section of the curb there in

2666
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:18,880
the in the RL area. Uh having it there

2667
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:21,840
just gives the possibility someone could

2668
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:23,920
park there and not having it there

2669
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:26,159
maintains the widening that that we're

2670
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:28,080
looking for.

2671
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:30,719
» Yeah. I mean I think that I think that's

2672
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:32,719
100% true. The widening though will be

2673
01:48:30,719 --> 01:48:34,080
» Better than without the parking.

2674
01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:35,280
» But someone could still stop there. But

2675
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:38,000
someone could still park there even

2676
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:40,000
though there's no, you know, because

2677
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,840
it's still it's still 14 feet. Some, you

2678
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:44,840
know, someone could easily park there.

2679
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,840
» Yes.

2680
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:49,840
» Yeah. So, limiting the 10 foot length to

2681
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:51,280
I don't know if it it stuck out a little

2682
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,119
bit past that other wall would help with

2683
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:57,000
the transition, but uh it doesn't have

2684
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:57,000
to be 10 ft for certain.

2685
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:03,520
I would I I would propose, you know, to

2686
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,199
solve most of her problems that that

2687
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:09,040
little wall that comes out adjacent to

2688
01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:11,440
the the the entry gate um there turns

2689
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:14,400
and, you know, does the 4 and 1/2 ft and

2690
01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:16,239
makes its way. However, um the architect

2691
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,920
can integrate it into the the the

2692
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:19,760
retaining wall, but not have it go into

2693
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,760
the vocal license more than a a small

2694
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:23,119
little wedge,

2695
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,960
if at all. I mean, keep it on the

2696
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:26,800
property, that would be better still. I

2697
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:29,800
I think you could fit it all on the

2698
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:29,800
property.

2699
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:36,080
» Yeah. I I don't see a reason for the RL

2700
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:38,880
unless you have to bring us a different

2701
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:40,239
one just for that corner. But for this

2702
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,679
» Well, there still needs there still

2703
01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:44,320
needs to be an RL for them to do any

2704
01:49:41,679 --> 01:49:46,080
work to to to replace the existing

2705
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:47,520
paving in some form or another because

2706
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:49,440
it's dirt right now.

2707
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:53,199
» But it's not our property in there. No,

2708
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:54,719
it is the the gray area. Ours is ours

2709
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:55,280
and that right now is dirt.

2710
01:49:54,719 --> 01:49:56,800
» Oh, okay.

2711
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,840
» And so we need to authorize in some way

2712
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:00,639
to repair it.

2713
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:02,000
» Right. So So what's your proposal? Do

2714
01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:08,960
you

2715
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:11,280
» I see um uh Alex concern about the um

2716
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:13,040
jointing and the uh materials between

2717
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,719
the existing old paving and what they're

2718
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:16,719
doing new and the different retaining

2719
01:50:14,719 --> 01:50:18,080
structures. So I think that's aside from

2720
01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:20,159
the aesthetic aspect of it, they're

2721
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:23,920
trying to give some flexibility so it

2722
01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:28,199
has a greater long greater life time um

2723
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:28,199
based on the on the improvement. So

2724
01:50:28,639 --> 01:50:31,760
my sense is I don't know how they're

2725
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:33,440
going to resolve that grading, but I

2726
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:35,040
don't think if that were paved, it would

2727
01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:37,119
be part of the road because it's a dip

2728
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:38,320
into their into into what is perceived

2729
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:39,600
to be their property. So I don't know

2730
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,880
that you're getting the the benefit of

2731
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,880
that width there anyway, and there may

2732
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:44,880
be a grade change to do so. So, I think

2733
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,880
the the the the paving is probably okay,

2734
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:48,800
but I'll be I'll be I'd be okay with

2735
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:52,480
making that paving as well to match the

2736
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:54,800
road. But I do think that um we should,

2737
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:58,800
as Jane was pointing out, turn that that

2738
01:50:54,800 --> 01:51:01,920
small um curb retaining wall that that

2739
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:03,679
exists walking up the pathway um as as

2740
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:06,960
close to if not entirely on their

2741
01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:08,960
property as possible. Um so that it it

2742
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:12,880
retains the grace of that entrance way,

2743
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:13,840
but not blocking off. um the parking

2744
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:15,920
space because I think there is

2745
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:18,400
flexibility to get in and out of it

2746
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:20,239
without the curb there. And also we

2747
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:23,679
we're have always been striving to to

2748
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:28,840
not build um restrictive uh structures

2749
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:28,840
on our our city right away.

2750
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:35,760
» Alex, does that seem um

2751
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:37,440
uh acceptable to you?

2752
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:39,119
» Yeah, I'll have to verify that with our

2753
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:42,800
our clients, but I understand what

2754
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:45,440
you're saying. Um I I do think the the

2755
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:47,360
parking space going away or not going

2756
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:48,239
away is an important aspect of all of

2757
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:51,360
this.

2758
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:53,280
» Um and but but I understand what you're

2759
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:56,480
saying, which is is less construction in

2760
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:58,639
the uh in the street right away.

2761
01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:01,040
» Okay. Great. And unfortunately, Alex, we

2762
01:51:58,639 --> 01:52:04,080
have had, as Council Member Burke

2763
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:07,040
mentioned, instances uh one in

2764
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:09,199
particular where uh decorative paving

2765
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:12,080
was used instead of road and then

2766
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:14,159
someone put up signs and said no parking

2767
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:17,840
allowed even though it's really city

2768
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:21,920
property. and um you know so we haven't

2769
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:25,679
had a great experience with allowing

2770
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:28,400
um what is normally considered roadway

2771
01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:32,480
or cement or whatever like your driveway

2772
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:35,599
the same as the driveway um entry

2773
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:39,280
uh having it be a decorative

2774
01:52:35,599 --> 01:52:41,760
um and then all of a sudden you know

2775
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:44,239
people not pulling into it when there's

2776
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:47,440
two cars coming up against each other

2777
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:50,159
which is the point of the removing the

2778
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:53,280
public parking space there

2779
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:55,440
um is so that they could actually pull

2780
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:58,960
off a teeny bit more than what's what

2781
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:03,760
we're seeing uh existing right in the

2782
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:06,639
original photos. So, um I think that's

2783
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:09,040
part of our issue there.

2784
01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:10,480
» Yeah. No, I've I've driven up and down

2785
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:12,960
that road enough to understand exactly

2786
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:14,480
what you're saying. Um, yeah. So, I'll

2787
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:17,599
certainly review that with with our

2788
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:20,639
clients and we'll submit a revised uh

2789
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:23,040
revocable license um application uh to

2790
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:24,400
Rebecca to to show that if if my clients

2791
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,840
are comfortable with that. Uh,

2792
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:28,960
unfortunately, we're not able to join

2793
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:30,480
tonight, so I can't speak to them.

2794
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:32,719
» Peter, I had um one question just in

2795
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:34,639
terms of your suggestion is if you look

2796
01:53:32,719 --> 01:53:37,119
at the streak sort of going down, how do

2797
01:53:34,639 --> 01:53:39,440
you address or do we need to address

2798
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:41,440
just the visual symmetry of the street?

2799
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:43,360
Like is that a you know as I'm looking

2800
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:45,360
at it from the n the gate down it's like

2801
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:46,719
how does that work? So

2802
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,480
» Well

2803
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:50,080
» It doesn't look like a jagged

2804
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:54,000
» Well what they're proposing right now

2805
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:55,119
anyway I'm sorry we go back to last one

2806
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:57,520
» This visual is probably

2807
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:58,960
» Yeah that one that one here um what

2808
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,760
they're proposing is right where your

2809
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:03,280
cursor is

2810
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:04,080
» Yeah right here

2811
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,920
right here

2812
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:07,599
» On the other side of the fence. Yeah.

2813
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,679
» Right here. Right. Right. Right.

2814
01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:11,119
» Is that

2815
01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:12,239
» Can you go left again?

2816
01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:12,880
» A little more left.

2817
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:13,760
» Yeah.

2818
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,719
» Yeah.

2819
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:17,679
» Pretty much.

2820
01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:18,239
» Oops. No. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

2821
01:54:17,679 --> 01:54:19,840
Stop. Stop. Stop.

2822
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,560
» I know. I know. It's not working. Right

2823
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,320
there.

2824
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:26,000
» Nope. You're on the other side.

2825
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:27,599
» Okay. Stop there. Stop. That's good.

2826
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:29,040
» Go back a little more left. One more.

2827
01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:29,520
Click left.

2828
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:31,760
» Otherwise,

2829
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:32,719
» It's going to go too far.

2830
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,760
» It won't let me.

2831
01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:34,400
» Okay. Stop right there. Oh,

2832
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,000
» That's good.

2833
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:38,560
» Okay. That's fine. That's fine.

2834
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:41,679
» Um,

2835
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:44,480
don't move. Don't move. The um this

2836
01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:46,400
plan, the the the the gray line is

2837
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,119
intending to match this existing curb

2838
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:48,000
exactly

2839
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:50,159
» Right.

2840
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:52,800
» Except that right where your cursor is

2841
01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:54,400
or thereabouts, that wall would end.

2842
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:56,880
That little that little stone curb would

2843
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:57,679
end and all those bushes would be where

2844
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:58,639
the car parks,

2845
01:54:57,679 --> 01:55:02,960
» Right?

2846
01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:05,119
um and the property but but but that's

2847
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:08,480
there's a triangle here because the the

2848
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:10,239
the the property goes from the fence

2849
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:12,400
where the where the front door is

2850
01:55:10,239 --> 01:55:13,920
» And it angles in at a more acute angle

2851
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,560
than the street is at.

2852
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,719
» Yeah.

2853
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:18,239
» So so this it's that triangle space I've

2854
01:55:16,719 --> 01:55:21,760
shown in this in this property which

2855
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:23,840
which would be that. Um, so what the

2856
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:25,199
what what I'm proposing is that from the

2857
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,599
white fence where the where the front

2858
01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:30,159
door is to about four and a half feet,

2859
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:32,480
which is what Alec was talking about,

2860
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:34,960
right about there would turn in and

2861
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:36,400
match the back retaining wall or butt

2862
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,639
but but to it, however they resolve that

2863
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:40,239
architecturally, which is now in place

2864
01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:42,000
with with pressuret treated wood, but

2865
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:45,280
I'm sure it talks about it being a wall

2866
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:47,360
eventually. um which which which marks

2867
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:49,520
the inward part of that parking space.

2868
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:51,520
So that this this curb wouldn't exist

2869
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:53,599
anymore. Alec was proposing

2870
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:55,679
differentiating the same line with

2871
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:57,119
materials, you know, asphalt on the

2872
01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:59,280
right hand side and the pavers on the

2873
01:55:57,119 --> 01:56:01,520
left hand side, which would still retain

2874
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:04,159
the same look and feel as this road, but

2875
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:05,599
with wider um opportunity because the

2876
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:08,159
parking space wouldn't be there and you

2877
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:09,599
could dip into their into their property

2878
01:56:08,159 --> 01:56:11,599
if you need to, much like the pavement

2879
01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:14,080
down below.

2880
01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:17,119
Got it.

2881
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:19,199
Thank you.

2882
01:56:17,119 --> 01:56:22,000
» Okay. So, I guess we're just they will

2883
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:25,199
come back next month with a revised RL

2884
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:26,320
application. Is that correct?

2885
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:28,320
» Let's talk.

2886
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:29,840
» Yeah. So, perhaps one option the council

2887
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:31,040
can consider is and I understand the

2888
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,760
architect needs to still check with the

2889
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:32,159
property owner.

2890
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:35,040
» Exactly.

2891
01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:37,199
» But assuming the owner does sign off,

2892
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:38,480
I I think we can simply implement

2893
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:40,080
council's direction.

2894
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,840
» Oh, so you don't need to bring it back.

2895
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:43,599
Obviously, the owner does not agree,

2896
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:44,800
then we'll certainly need to come back.

2897
01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:45,360
» Do you need us to vote on it? I assume

2898
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:45,760
you do.

2899
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:47,920
» Yes.

2900
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:49,679
» Okay. Does that seem acceptable to

2901
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:52,000
everybody?

2902
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:55,520
» Would you like my opinion?

2903
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:58,719
» Yes. Well, I didn't think so. Anyway, um

2904
01:56:55,520 --> 01:57:02,000
I have to agree with um Council Member

2905
01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:06,639
Cooper and Burke. I don't think that the

2906
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:10,480
uh shaded area should be in um anything

2907
01:57:06,639 --> 01:57:14,000
other than uh the asphalt road. And if

2908
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:16,639
they want to do a differentiation where

2909
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:18,239
they're uh they will have the pavers on

2910
01:57:16,639 --> 01:57:21,840
there so people will actually know

2911
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:24,320
that's a private parking space. Um, I

2912
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:26,320
think the point of the road is is to uh

2913
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:28,400
widen it

2914
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:31,040
and to allow cars to be able to move

2915
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:32,400
over so two cars can pass at that pinch

2916
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:36,719
point.

2917
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:41,119
And um I'm fine with what council member

2918
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:44,239
Mark um suggested that they do a little

2919
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:46,560
curb just to define the uh front gate,

2920
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:48,960
but I agree with uh council member

2921
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:51,040
Cooper that they should be able to do

2922
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:54,880
that entirely on their property and

2923
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:57,360
connect it into that uh retaining wall.

2924
01:57:54,880 --> 01:58:00,480
And I think a visit up to the site would

2925
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:05,599
have been very clear um that all of this

2926
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:07,280
is all open and able to be navigated. Um

2927
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:10,880
and they do have some barriers because

2928
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:13,679
of the construction. Um but I agree that

2929
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:17,199
I wouldn't be able to approve this RL.

2930
01:58:13,679 --> 01:58:20,159
Um and I would kind of like to see how

2931
01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:25,040
they're going to um I think we need to

2932
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:28,800
decide if we're going to allow the

2933
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:30,560
turn of the curb to be in solely on

2934
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,400
their property or if we're going to

2935
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:34,480
allow it into the RL how much we're

2936
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:36,239
going to allow otherwise I think it

2937
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:39,239
needs to come back to this council for

2938
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:39,239
review

2939
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:48,159
and I don't know if we've actually

2940
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:52,159
satisfied are are we in sync on

2941
01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:55,040
where the dark shaded area which is the

2942
01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:58,080
um portion of the street in the RL. Are

2943
01:58:55,040 --> 01:59:02,239
are we aligned on what that is supposed

2944
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:03,679
to be, what the material is?

2945
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:05,360
» I mean, why couldn't they come back next

2946
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:07,360
month with an exhibit and put it on the

2947
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:08,639
consent calendar if it's all okay?

2948
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:10,239
» Yeah, certainly. The council would

2949
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:11,599
prefer to see the update exhibit again

2950
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:13,679
just to confirm that everyone's on the

2951
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:14,719
same page. That's certainly also fine.

2952
01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:15,199
» I'm just trying to give the council

2953
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:16,400
options.

2954
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:18,159
» It sounds like we need to reach

2955
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:19,760
agreement on the materials though. right

2956
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:23,119
now

2957
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:24,719
» I'm fine with it being paving um match

2958
01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:26,560
the road and I'm I have no problem with

2959
01:59:24,719 --> 01:59:28,080
that if that's if that's easily possible

2960
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:29,360
and I think the architect and and the

2961
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:31,840
applicant will look at see if it is

2962
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:34,719
possible the I think I think one one

2963
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:37,199
additional thing is um just from a tech

2964
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:38,400
techn technicality perspective uh I

2965
01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:42,000
would imagine they're going to have to

2966
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:45,440
repave the portion of um their driveway

2967
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:47,760
in front of their their covered garage

2968
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:50,480
that's in the city right

2969
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:53,520
that's not shown in this RL

2970
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:57,280
because that's pretty beat up too.

2971
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:58,639
And um that would go to both um Jane and

2972
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:00,400
Pat's perspective that if in fact

2973
01:59:58,639 --> 02:00:02,800
they're going to maintain the the

2974
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:05,440
asphalt, they may want to dip into that

2975
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:06,880
area as well. So it it it goes all

2976
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:09,119
across and it really creates a widening

2977
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:10,480
of the road there

2978
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:11,920
because that should be it's not just

2979
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:14,000
this section because they're obviously

2980
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:15,920
doing some repair in front of their um

2981
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:18,560
driveway, in front of their carport as

2982
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:19,679
well. And that's they obviously they I

2983
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:22,560
think technically don't have the right

2984
02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:25,679
to repair that either without a without

2985
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:28,480
a license.

2986
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:30,159
Right.

2987
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:31,440
I mean if if if they demo it and they

2988
02:00:30,159 --> 02:00:33,440
and they ruin it and they they want to

2989
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:34,800
put new concrete there, they they they

2990
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:36,639
should have a license for that in our

2991
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:38,159
space.

2992
02:00:36,639 --> 02:00:41,159
» Yes, they should have a license for the

2993
02:00:38,159 --> 02:00:41,159
driveway.

2994
02:00:41,599 --> 02:00:45,360
But I agree with Pat that it should

2995
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:47,440
definitely come back.

2996
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:49,199
» Just as a point, that could be September

2997
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:50,239
if we end up not having an August

2998
02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:51,440
meeting.

2999
02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:54,440
» They're not going to be done with their

3000
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:54,440
project.

3001
02:00:56,000 --> 02:01:00,000
» Uh okay. So that's the direction you

3002
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:01,440
Rebecca you'll they you'll come back

3003
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:04,159
next month if we have a meeting or

3004
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:06,560
September uh and we'll decide whether it

3005
02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:07,360
should go on consent or for discussion

3006
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:07,920
at the time.

3007
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:12,679
» Yes.

3008
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:12,679
» Okay. So we will close the item

3009
02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:22,639
and we're moving to item uh 6C which is

3010
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:25,520
is a discussion and possible action on

3011
02:01:22,639 --> 02:01:27,840
revocable license for the in public

3012
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:30,159
right of way for the property at 47

3013
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:31,920
Westshore Road. Is this Rebecca or

3014
02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:33,760
Sammy? Go ahead

3015
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:35,440
» Sammy on this one.

3016
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:37,599
Thank you, Mayor Wilkinson and council

3017
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:39,199
members. Uh for your consideration this

3018
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:41,599
evening is a revocable license

3019
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:43,280
application for new landscaping within

3020
02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:47,520
the public right away for the property

3021
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:49,840
at 47 West Shore Road.

3022
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:51,199
On April 21st of this year, the planning

3023
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:53,440
commission granted design review

3024
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:55,520
approval for a residential remodel, deck

3025
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:59,119
enlargement, and landscaping. The

3026
02:01:55,520 --> 02:02:02,159
project proposed new landscaping and

3027
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:05,520
maintenance of an existing 35 foot wide

3028
02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:08,320
concrete driveway and lawn area, all of

3029
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:12,760
which encroach approximately 7 ft into

3030
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:12,760
the Westshore Road rightway.

3031
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:18,400
Highlighted in yellow, the area with new

3032
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:20,480
landscaping in the right ofway includes

3033
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:23,440
two Japanese maple trees listed to grow

3034
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:26,159
up to 15 feet tall and two fan palms,

3035
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:28,560
lavender and succulents within a movable

3036
02:02:26,159 --> 02:02:31,040
pre-fabricated metal planter. The

3037
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:34,159
planter box would be 2 feet tall and 2'

3038
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:37,560
7 in deep and set approximately 7 ft

3039
02:02:34,159 --> 02:02:37,560
from the sidewalk.

3040
02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:42,480
Uh here the draft revocable license

3041
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:44,239
exhibit shows the existing and propo

3042
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:47,840
proposed improvements within the

3043
02:02:44,239 --> 02:02:49,280
rightway shaded. The driveway and lawn

3044
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:52,280
highlighted in yellow would not be

3045
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:52,280
modified

3046
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:58,080
for council's consideration. The

3047
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:59,679
proposed planners have been revised

3048
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:01,840
since the planning commission approval

3049
02:02:59,679 --> 02:03:04,320
in April. At the planning commission

3050
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:05,840
chair's request, the applicant revise

3051
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:07,599
the planners in the rightway to be

3052
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:10,599
movable rather than permanent and

3053
02:03:07,599 --> 02:03:10,599
concrete.

3054
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:15,440
So staff recommends that the findings

3055
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:17,520
for the revocable license can be made as

3056
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:19,440
the project benefits the public. The

3057
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:22,000
existing driveway permits two off

3058
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:23,679
streetet parking spaces uh and then the

3059
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:25,440
planter enhances the aesthetic quality

3060
02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:28,159
of the streetscape without placing a

3061
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:29,679
permanent structure in the right way.

3062
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:31,360
Thank you. And we're happy to answer any

3063
02:03:29,679 --> 02:03:32,880
questions.

3064
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:33,440
» Do council members have questions for

3065
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:35,599
Sammy?

3066
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:36,000
» I have two quick questions for Sammy. Go

3067
02:03:35,599 --> 02:03:39,840
ahead.

3068
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:41,599
» Um the grass area that's on the um right

3069
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:44,800
side of the driveway, it's going to

3070
02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:46,400
remain a grassy area, but it's in pretty

3071
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:50,320
poor shape. Are they going to be

3072
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:52,080
replanting that or putting in new

3073
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:53,920
seeds to get something growing because

3074
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:57,040
it's pretty brown?

3075
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:59,520
» Right. This is the here is the landscape

3076
02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:02,080
plan right now. It's just uh to be

3077
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:05,080
maintained as as a lawn area at this

3078
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:05,080
time.

3079
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:10,560
Okay. Because doesn't look very good. It

3080
02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:12,480
would be nice if they replace that. Um

3081
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:14,159
the other thing is is I don't have a

3082
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:16,480
problem with any of this. It's great

3083
02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:18,639
they change the planter. The only

3084
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:23,760
question I have was is when I looked at

3085
02:04:18,639 --> 02:04:27,119
the European um fan palm that um it's

3086
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:30,239
considered not totally

3087
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:32,639
allowed by the fire district. However,

3088
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:37,199
it's not recommended

3089
02:04:32,639 --> 02:04:39,360
um and that if it is planted that it has

3090
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:42,080
certain restrictions.

3091
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:45,599
And I just wonder um since it's not

3092
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:48,239
supposed to be within so many feet of a

3093
02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:53,360
fence if that is the proper plant for

3094
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:56,960
that um if that has been looked at um

3095
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:59,599
as a proper plant for that um location.

3096
02:04:56,960 --> 02:05:02,239
That was my only question. um because

3097
02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:04,239
they had several recommendations of how

3098
02:05:02,239 --> 02:05:07,920
they would have to maintain those uh

3099
02:05:04,239 --> 02:05:10,560
European ponds, palm trees because of

3100
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:12,400
their fonds.

3101
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:14,800
» That that's a good great point. I don't

3102
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:17,040
know that the architect knew about that

3103
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:18,080
consideration as well. She's here with

3104
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:19,760
us tonight.

3105
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:21,440
» Well, I mean I just think that that

3106
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:23,199
should be looked at. I mean I don't have

3107
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:26,000
any problem with the RL at all. It's

3108
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:28,000
just my concern was is I don't think we

3109
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:30,639
want to they they should be aware of

3110
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:33,679
what the requirements are because we

3111
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:36,560
don't want to recommend something that

3112
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:40,960
is um

3113
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:44,199
a potential fire um issue.

3114
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:44,199
That's it.

3115
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:51,280
Any other questions? No. Uh let's open

3116
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:53,199
public comment

3117
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:55,119
» There. No hands raised. Great. So, I'll

3118
02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:57,199
bring this back for discussion or a

3119
02:05:55,119 --> 02:06:00,080
motion.

3120
02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:02,800
Anybody want to go first? Jane,

3121
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:04,159
» I'm happy to make a motion unless

3122
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,199
somebody wants to discuss.

3123
02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:06,480
» Oh,

3124
02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:07,199
» Go ahead. You do it.

3125
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:09,199
» No, I'm good.

3126
02:06:07,199 --> 02:06:12,880
» Oh, only uh just one quick comment. I I

3127
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:14,400
do think and this is now I guess uh

3128
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:17,199
seven on the agenda where I can propose

3129
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:20,880
this, but I mean I I think moving the

3130
02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:22,400
planters to um movable versus permanent

3131
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:25,840
makes me more comfortable. I'm just

3132
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:28,639
trying to find um what is our consistent

3133
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:30,079
approach to RLS and what do we allow in

3134
02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:32,400
terms of being built or permanent

3135
02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:34,800
structures versus not. I mean, so I

3136
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:38,000
think this looks great um visually. Um

3137
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:40,320
but it is, you know, making city land

3138
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,679
appear to be private land and I I don't

3139
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:43,520
have an issue with this RL just based on

3140
02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:45,599
what we've approved uh over the course

3141
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:47,360
of our history as a city. But I do think

3142
02:06:45,599 --> 02:06:49,840
it just raises a question for us to

3143
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:51,760
figure out how do we better define

3144
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:54,960
what's acceptable and not acceptable in

3145
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:56,400
RL's so we can better govern both from a

3146
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:58,000
planning standpoint and a city council

3147
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:00,079
standpoint. And when I say better govern

3148
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:02,560
is just be much more consistent in our

3149
02:07:00,079 --> 02:07:03,920
application. But again, because these

3150
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:05,280
are movable, I can get comfortable with

3151
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:07,840
it. If they were permanent, I would say,

3152
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:11,400
well, no, you can't put a structure in

3153
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:11,400
um city land.

3154
02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:18,880
» Thank you for the comment, Jane. Okay.

3155
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:21,440
Uh, I, uh, would like to make the motion

3156
02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:23,280
that we approve the re revocable license

3157
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:24,880
for existing and proposed private

3158
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:27,199
improvements in the public rightway

3159
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:30,079
along Westshore Road for the property at

3160
02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:32,159
47 Westshore Road.

3161
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:36,040
» Second. All in favor? I.

3162
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:36,040
» I. Motion passes.

3163
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:49,199
Okay, we're moving on to item seven,

3164
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:52,320
which is our new item. Future agenda

3165
02:07:49,199 --> 02:07:53,920
item agenda items. City council shall

3166
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:55,840
propose and consider items for future

3167
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:57,520
meetings. City council may refer items

3168
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:00,000
to staff for further development before

3169
02:07:57,520 --> 02:08:03,280
they appear on a future agenda. Does any

3170
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:05,040
council member have a suggestion for a

3171
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:06,800
future

3172
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:12,520
Kevin? Go for it.

3173
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:12,520
» Oh, what would it be? um RL's

3174
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:18,480
I do think it's appropriate for us and I

3175
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:20,400
I think we can be um thoughtful about

3176
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:23,199
managing the timing of this but I think

3177
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:26,800
bringing RL's to the council would be a

3178
02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:30,159
very uh helpful and productive um

3179
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:32,800
process. Uh, second, if I can nominate

3180
02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:38,040
two, I would like to get the tree

3181
02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:38,040
ordinance to the council this year.

3182
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:44,560
» Um,

3183
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:46,159
do do I have to to get a vote to to

3184
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:49,159
accept these things as future agenda

3185
02:08:46,159 --> 02:08:49,159
items?

3186
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:57,440
» So, I've got some general comments.

3187
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,719
Okay,

3188
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:01,440
» Some general comments. I think it might

3189
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:03,199
be helpful if I read those out. Um I

3190
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:05,920
just how we look at this item and how we

3191
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:08,000
use it in the future. Any council member

3192
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:09,920
can suggest a future agenda item.

3193
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:11,840
However, requests requiring more than

3194
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:14,400
minimal staff time, research, and

3195
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:16,159
preparation of a future staff report

3196
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:18,960
should generally reflect the direction

3197
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:20,960
of the majority of council. So if that's

3198
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:23,440
the case, I think these I think it would

3199
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:25,040
be helpful. Um certainly if there's you

3200
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:27,599
know a difference in opinions to

3201
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:30,239
memorialize that. Um and then just from

3202
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:31,760
a Brown Act perspective too I think we

3203
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:33,440
should limit the discussion to

3204
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:35,440
identifying the topic and determining

3205
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:36,880
whether consideration is warranted

3206
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:38,079
rather than deliberating on the merits

3207
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:39,440
of the issue. Not that we've done that

3208
02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:41,520
tonight but just a reminder.

3209
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:43,040
» Okay. So can I ask um just a follow-up

3210
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:45,760
question to the staff that would be

3211
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:47,760
handling these two items within all of

3212
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:51,199
the work that you currently have on your

3213
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:53,440
plates? Um, is this these two items

3214
02:09:51,199 --> 02:09:54,960
something that you could be considering

3215
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:57,960
during the remainder of this calendar

3216
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:57,960
year?

3217
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:02,800
» Well, the the tree ordinance itself, I

3218
02:10:00,239 --> 02:10:04,639
know we spent some already considerable

3219
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:06,320
amount of time prepping that and getting

3220
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:08,239
it ready. I think there's maybe with the

3221
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:10,400
exception of one section less work on

3222
02:10:08,239 --> 02:10:10,719
that one. RLS is a big discussion,

3223
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:12,800
» Right?

3224
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:14,800
» Um, and I'll defer to Rebecca on where

3225
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:16,239
we want to fit that in. Maybe it's a

3226
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:16,960
question we can bring back to next

3227
02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:19,040
meeting,

3228
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:22,000
» Right? Because meaning do you want to

3229
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:24,320
pump this to next year as a sort of key

3230
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,679
item that the city council agrees at the

3231
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:28,159
council retreat or you feel like you

3232
02:10:25,679 --> 02:10:29,840
have the bandwidth this year to be

3233
02:10:28,159 --> 02:10:32,000
working potentially with a council

3234
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:33,679
member or two council members on this on

3235
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:35,520
this question?

3236
02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:37,440
» I think although the tree ordinance has

3237
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:39,760
been looked at in the past, it needs a

3238
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:42,159
lot of work because trees go through

3239
02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:46,079
chapter 20, chapter

3240
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:48,960
8 and chapter 19. Okay.

3241
02:10:46,079 --> 02:10:52,159
» So, to answer your question briefly,

3242
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:54,480
within the next calendar year, yes, the

3243
02:10:52,159 --> 02:10:54,800
trees, I think, should come back.

3244
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:57,360
» Okay.

3245
02:10:54,800 --> 02:10:59,920
» Um, it's been a long time coming. Uh,

3246
02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:02,400
and the RL's,

3247
02:10:59,920 --> 02:11:04,560
I guess I would need more direction from

3248
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:06,159
a council member on exactly what you're

3249
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:08,639
looking for. We have a lot of history

3250
02:11:06,159 --> 02:11:12,639
here, I think, of RL reports that have

3251
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:14,719
come to council. So,

3252
02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:16,560
» I think with a little more direction.

3253
02:11:14,719 --> 02:11:18,239
Yeah, I mean what I mean and with

3254
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:20,400
Robert's further context, I would

3255
02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:21,920
absolutely put the RL I didn't realize

3256
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:23,199
about the tree ordinance. So maybe now I

3257
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:25,920
would put both of them in the category

3258
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:28,560
of requiring a bit of a heavy lift from

3259
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:31,280
staff. And so this isn't something I

3260
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:33,440
mean the RL if we're already in July, we

3261
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:35,360
may not meet in August. That leaves

3262
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:38,719
Yeah, I mean it's unlikely for this to

3263
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:41,760
come this year. Then I would probably

3264
02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:43,280
put it as a key item to discuss on the

3265
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:45,280
at the retreat next year and we could

3266
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:47,520
decide you know when we could get it

3267
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:49,280
next year if it's a priority

3268
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:50,960
» And define scope because we would be

3269
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:51,199
able to discuss that in more depth at

3270
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:52,560
that point

3271
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:54,560
» But it is a it's a it's a meaty topic

3272
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:56,719
the RL in particular and I think it is

3273
02:11:54,560 --> 02:12:00,000
going to require quite a bit of work

3274
02:11:56,719 --> 02:12:02,719
» Okay so and I would suggest that the RL

3275
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:05,119
also we have to remember encompasses

3276
02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:08,239
different aspects of the whole community

3277
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:10,639
and certainly we've asked parks open

3278
02:12:08,239 --> 02:12:14,159
space and lane to collect information

3279
02:12:10,639 --> 02:12:16,239
along this strip for all the RLS So I

3280
02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:18,239
think all that would fold into it and

3281
02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:19,840
they were planning on coming back in

3282
02:12:18,239 --> 02:12:22,639
December I think

3283
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:24,159
» And so I think pushing it would work

3284
02:12:22,639 --> 02:12:26,159
because then it would fit with what

3285
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:27,599
we've already asked parks open space and

3286
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:30,000
lane to do

3287
02:12:27,599 --> 02:12:32,320
» Is so I think that's a great suggestion

3288
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:34,880
Kevin and so I think we you know already

3289
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:37,199
if in terms of the council retreat that

3290
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:39,760
those will be two items for discussion

3291
02:12:37,199 --> 02:12:43,079
and Kevin will be mayor and he can lead

3292
02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:43,079
all of that.

3293
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:50,400
Okay. Are there any other future agenda

3294
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:52,159
items that anybody would like to raise?

3295
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,639
» Everything on my list will be considered

3296
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:58,880
a heavy lift.

3297
02:12:54,639 --> 02:13:02,320
» You can raise it and we can

3298
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:03,760
» Very you want to go down that road. Um

3299
02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:06,560
» Beyond those two, are there other items

3300
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:09,199
that you just want to flag?

3301
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:12,480
» So, do you want to Okay. So, um it would

3302
02:13:09,199 --> 02:13:16,480
be good to know on our housing element

3303
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:20,800
um what progress we're making on our HCD

3304
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:23,920
um requirements such as our policies and

3305
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:26,480
goals, but that also encompasses a lot

3306
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:31,040
of uh code changes

3307
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:34,000
um clean up and um in our in our code

3308
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:36,400
and additions. Um

3309
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:39,920
that's two. I can go to three. I think

3310
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:42,960
we need a new

3311
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:47,040
section in our municipal code that deals

3312
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:51,280
with um development

3313
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:53,679
and how developments like

3314
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:59,360
um future developments

3315
02:13:53,679 --> 02:14:05,040
um um in our R2 and R3 zone um andor

3316
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:09,880
municipal or municipal code um mixed use

3317
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:09,880
um just because I think we

3318
02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:16,719
a code that specifically deals with

3319
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:19,040
development that doesn't fit into our

3320
02:14:16,719 --> 02:14:21,920
normal code and I think that's become

3321
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:23,679
evident in Malard Point that there's

3322
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:25,360
processes there that are different than

3323
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:28,320
what we normally do and I think we need

3324
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:31,040
to codify something um and that's a

3325
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:32,639
really super duper heavyduty lift but I

3326
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:36,159
think it's something that needs to be

3327
02:14:32,639 --> 02:14:38,719
addressed sooner versus later So that as

3328
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:40,960
we get future development, which will be

3329
02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:42,800
coming, that we do have something

3330
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:44,560
codified that addresses some of the

3331
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:47,840
things that we've learned from Malard

3332
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:51,360
Point that we should be putting into a

3333
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:53,119
development code so that it's easier for

3334
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:56,320
the community, it's easier for the

3335
02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:59,199
developer, and it's easier for staff.

3336
02:14:56,320 --> 02:15:02,079
So, um, I just think there needs to be

3337
02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:04,880
an injection into the municipal code to

3338
02:15:02,079 --> 02:15:06,639
to deal with that. And that that I admit

3339
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:08,239
it's a very heavy lift, but I think it's

3340
02:15:06,639 --> 02:15:10,960
really important. It needs to be

3341
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:13,199
something we address sooner versus later

3342
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:17,119
because we are going to get developments

3343
02:15:13,199 --> 02:15:21,040
again. And I think that um

3344
02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:23,840
um we can definitely um use what we've

3345
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:25,920
learned over the last several years and

3346
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:30,119
put it in so that it's a smoother

3347
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:30,119
process for everybody involved.

3348
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:35,000
Are you talking about like

3349
02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:40,639
I understand sort of the key takeaways

3350
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:43,199
or learning you know things we've

3351
02:15:40,639 --> 02:15:46,480
learned from Malard but are you asking

3352
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:48,480
for like a revision of the R2 and R3 in

3353
02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:51,360
terms of the zoning ordinance or are you

3354
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:52,880
saying like all multifamily developments

3355
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:54,960
» Are required to have a development

3356
02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:57,040
agreement? Here's an example of a

3357
02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:59,280
development agreement or can you give me

3358
02:15:57,040 --> 02:16:00,480
an example of what you mean by

3359
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:02,239
» Sure. like um

3360
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:06,079
» Development section of the code.

3361
02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:08,719
» So, normally our process is you're

3362
02:16:06,079 --> 02:16:11,599
building tearing something down and

3363
02:16:08,719 --> 02:16:14,159
building a new structure. You get one

3364
02:16:11,599 --> 02:16:15,920
permit with everything in it. Now, with

3365
02:16:14,159 --> 02:16:17,440
a development,

3366
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:19,360
you

3367
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:22,000
might want to have something in there

3368
02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:26,880
that breaks up that process and is more

3369
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:30,639
clear on how it can proceed through not

3370
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:32,399
so much the um

3371
02:16:30,639 --> 02:16:34,399
planning process. Well, it would help

3372
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:35,840
with the conditions of approval. So it

3373
02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:38,080
would be kind of with the planning

3374
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:41,760
process but also how it's going to

3375
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:44,719
proceed through into entitlement so that

3376
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:48,880
it's it's it's a clearer process that

3377
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:52,319
you know there could be a demo permit

3378
02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:56,439
given before you have your building

3379
02:16:52,319 --> 02:16:56,439
permit because

3380
02:16:57,120 --> 02:17:02,080
they need to demo it and then they need

3381
02:16:58,960 --> 02:17:04,160
to do their uh improvement plan i.e.

3382
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:06,080
infrastructure and then they're going to

3383
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:08,960
do their their building plan. So, this

3384
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:13,599
first process is over here and then the

3385
02:17:08,960 --> 02:17:20,399
next process is there. Um I think um

3386
02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:26,479
having things in there such as um uh u

3387
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:29,359
bonds um that would uh need to be um

3388
02:17:26,479 --> 02:17:31,359
required. Uh, I don't know if we need a

3389
02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:34,319
user fee study for something like that

3390
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:36,399
to include that in a user fee update.

3391
02:17:34,319 --> 02:17:41,280
Um, I just think that some of the things

3392
02:17:36,399 --> 02:17:43,280
could be um a little clearer um and make

3393
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:45,439
the process easier for everyone to

3394
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:47,679
understand going forward because I mean

3395
02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:51,040
there is going to be further development

3396
02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:54,800
and our our code I think is primarily

3397
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:58,800
written for single family homes and

3398
02:17:54,800 --> 02:18:00,399
duplexes there. it's not um taking into

3399
02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:03,280
consideration

3400
02:18:00,399 --> 02:18:07,760
larger projects that could come forward

3401
02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:10,240
and um I mean there's um uh for instance

3402
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:12,240
there's some communities out there that

3403
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:15,120
have a strict process they have to

3404
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:18,639
follow on the uh improvement plans and

3405
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:20,559
that's all outlined um in in the

3406
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:22,479
municipal code of if you want to get

3407
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:26,319
your improvement plans you have to you

3408
02:18:22,479 --> 02:18:29,120
know DPW says ABC and then so and Alo

3409
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:30,639
says you have to do EFG and then finally

3410
02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:32,080
you get to the point where you can get

3411
02:18:30,639 --> 02:18:35,120
your improvement plan. So I think we

3412
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:37,120
just need to look at how other cities

3413
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:39,599
handle these

3414
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:41,840
even though people don't consider it big

3415
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:44,479
development what we get in Belvadier to

3416
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:46,479
us it is big development and I just

3417
02:18:44,479 --> 02:18:49,280
think that if there is a section that

3418
02:18:46,479 --> 02:18:51,840
addresses some of these issues that it

3419
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:54,800
just would make it easier for everybody

3420
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:57,519
involved for yourself for the community

3421
02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:59,200
for the developer um just to have

3422
02:18:57,519 --> 02:19:01,200
everything kind of spelled out a little

3423
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:05,679
clearer because our code doesn't really

3424
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:10,559
go into major um redevelopment. Um it we

3425
02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:12,160
haven't had it in 60 70 years and so we

3426
02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:14,479
never addressed it because it was like

3427
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:17,200
who was going to build a duplex? Well,

3428
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:19,840
now we do have that. So I just think

3429
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:22,160
that we need to consider that kind of

3430
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:24,319
addition to our code

3431
02:19:22,160 --> 02:19:28,639
so that it's a better process for

3432
02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:31,439
everybody all the way around.

3433
02:19:28,639 --> 02:19:32,639
» Okay. Um, everybody seems to be in

3434
02:19:31,439 --> 02:19:34,160
agreement with that. Rebecca, I'm

3435
02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:35,120
assuming again that that's a giant lift

3436
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:37,280
and this is something that will be

3437
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:37,679
pushed into 2027.

3438
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:38,399
» Okay.

3439
02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:40,000
» Yeah.

3440
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:41,280
» Okay.

3441
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:43,040
» Right.

3442
02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:46,399
» Uh, or eight.

3443
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:48,640
» Exactly. Or in 2029 or whatever it is.

3444
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:49,920
Okay. Unless are there any other

3445
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:51,280
suggestions? I guess we have to open

3446
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:53,120
this for public comment. Is that right,

3447
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:53,760
Beth?

3448
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:55,120
» That is it.

3449
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:56,960
» There is no public comment.

3450
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:59,120
» Okay. Unless there's further discussion,

3451
02:19:56,960 --> 02:20:03,120
I think we can close item seven and move

3452
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:04,880
to item eight, which is our open forum.

3453
02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:06,640
This is an opportunity for any member of

3454
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:08,319
the public to briefly address the city

3455
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:09,920
council on any matter that does not

3456
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:11,600
appear on this agenda, but that is

3457
02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:13,760
within the city council's subject matter

3458
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:15,359
jurisdiction. Upon being recognized by

3459
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:16,800
the mayor, please limit your statement

3460
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:18,240
to no more than 3 minutes. Under the

3461
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:21,520
Brown Act, council members may not

3462
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:23,439
deliberate or t take action on this item

3463
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:24,960
on an item not on tonight's agenda.

3464
02:20:23,439 --> 02:20:26,880
Matters that may warrant a more lengthy

3465
02:20:24,960 --> 02:20:29,520
presentation or council consideration

3466
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:32,479
may be placed on the agenda for further

3467
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:33,920
discussion at a later meeting.

3468
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:36,479
» There are no hands raised.

3469
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:39,479
» Okay, with that we can adjourn. Good

3470
02:20:36,479 --> 02:20:39,479
night.