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[clears throat]

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I now call to order the regular meeting
of the Belvadier Planning Commission.

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We'll begin with item one, open forum.
Open forum is an opportunity for any

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citizen to briefly address the planning
commission on any matter that does not

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appear on the agenda. Comments are
limited to no more than three minutes.

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Matters that appear to warrant
commission consideration may be

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agendaized for further discussion at a
later hearing. Is there anyone in the

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audience who would like to speak during
open forum?

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Anyone on Zoom? Rebecca,
>> there's no one with their hand raised on

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Zoom.
>> Okay, thank you.

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We'll move on to reports. Are there any
commissioners who would like to provide

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a report?

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Staff reports.
>> Uh, I'd just like to quickly um

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introduce our new planning commissioner,
Jacob Lanetski. We are thrilled that

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you've joined us on the commission and
look forward to um your time on the

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commission. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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Thank you.
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any public comment and reports on city
hall? Well, um probably not. So,

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» actually, I I'll just do sorry, one more
little quick update. We did I know

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everyone's interested in the Malard
Point project. We did issue the

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demolition permit on July 15th um last
week for that project.

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» Oh,
>> thank you.

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» Very good. Thank you.
We'll move on to consent calendar items.

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The consent calendar consists of items
considered to be non-controversial

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unless any item is specifically removed
by any member of the council, staff or

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public. [clears throat] The consent
calendar will be adopted by one motion.

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Items removed will be considered for the
sequence that they appear on the agenda.

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Um, I will request that we remove the
approval of the minutes because we only

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have two commissioners here that were
present at the last meeting.

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» Um, does anyone else have any requests?

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» So,
>> um, yes,

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» sorry. Um, we received a uh a letter
from a neighbor with respect to u number

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28 eucalyptus which was uh the uh the
new garage which was first approved in

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September of 2022.
Um, and I didn't know whether um whether

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we wanted to
re reopen the design review for that

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based on the letter.

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» Let's see the letter.
>> Staff is not familiar with this letter

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if you don't mind.
>> It is here on our podium.

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» Is it for 34 eucalyptus maybe?
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» Oh, sorry. Never mind. I'm fine.
>> Okay. [laughter]

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Thank you.
>> 28 34.

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» Sorry. Sorry about that. Yes.
>> I I do words, not numbers.

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» All right. Thank you. No, no need no
need to rem to remove number two.

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» Okay.
>> From the consent calendar.

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» Thank you for that clarification. So, um
with that, can I have a motion to adopt

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the items on the consent calendar with
the removal of last meetings minutes?

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Um, I'll make a motion to approve number
two on the consent on the consent

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calendar.
>> Second the motion.

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» All in favor?
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» I
>> Thank you.

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» Sorry to interrupt. Um, I didn't I was
wondering if there's any public comment

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on the consent calendar item.
>> Well, let's uh let's back up. Um, does

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anyone in the room have any thoughts on
the consent calendar?

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There's no one on Zoom either.
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» All right. So, is the motion we made
okay or do you want us to retake it?

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» It's okay.
>> It's okay.

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» All right. Thanks.

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[clears throat]

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We will now move on to the public
hearing. Um, I believe we're going to

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reorder the order that we hear the items
in. We're going to begin with

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item five,
which is design review and use permit

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for a dock expansion and boat lifts at
310 and 312 Beach Road.

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Can I have a presentation from staff,
please?

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» Thank you, Chair Cidle and members of
the planning commission. for your

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consideration this evening is an
application for design review and use

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permit to construct a dock expansion,
two boat lifts, kayak racks, and a shed.

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Uh 310 and 312 Beach Road are located on
steeply slope lots on the eastern side

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of Belvadier Island. On July 1st, 1989,
the city entered into a joint dock lease

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with the then owners of both properties
to use and maintain their private docks.

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Historically, a deed gate, fence, and
joint staircase provided access to the

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dock. The stairs, which were in
disrepair, have since been removed due

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to safety concerns. In March of this
year, the properties received planning

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commission approval to construct a
shared elevator and landing within the

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strip to access the property shared
dock. Approval was also received to

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reconstruct the stairs and connect that
connect to the existing pier.

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Staff has received many emails from
residents both in favor of the

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improvements and not in favor of the
improvements. Given the comments

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combined with the city's differing
opinions on improvements on the strip,

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the applicant has decided to remove the
pla the wood platforms from the project.

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The improvements that are under the
planning commission review tonight are

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only the dock expansion, the kayak
racks, and the sheds. The revocable

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license has been removed from the
project as well. The dock improvements

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are subject to design review and the use
permit.

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The 270 ft dock expansion is proposed on
the southern side of the existing dock

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and will be constructed using composite
decking materials.

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Two boat lifts are proposed on the
eastern side of the dock.

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And the project proposes construction of
a 36q ft storage shed measuring 8'2 in

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in height and two kayak storage racks
measuring 8 ft tall. The shed and kayak

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racks would be would feature brown
composite shingle roofing and finished

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with vertical redwood siding to match
the existing shed.

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The dock, boat lifts, kayak racks, and
sheds are located on the water beyond

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the strip in the recreation zoning
district. A use permit is required for

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these components in the resident uh
recreation zoning district. As

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mentioned, the city and then owners
enter entered into a dock lease

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agreement. Uh the lease included several
provisions regarding permissible uses of

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the dock relevant to this project. The
dock le states the dock may contain only

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facilities constructed for the docking
and mooring of boats. For this reason,

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staff has advised the applicant that the
proposed storage shed and kayak sheds

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are not allowed because they are not
directly related to the docking or

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mooring. However, staff advises that the
project may include kayak racks since

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kayaks are considered boats and the
racks are equivalent to do the

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equivalent of docking or mooring of
kayaks.

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For the commission's consideration, the
applicant provided amendments and

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additional information for the storage
rack and platforms.

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First, the kayak storage racks would be
located on the ends of the dock and

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rotated 90°.

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The applicant has also provided two
additional rack kayak rack options for

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the commission to consider in addition
to the current shed proposals.

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And finally, the plans before you show
the wood landings being removed from the

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strip circled here in red at the bottom
of the screen.

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Uh staff recommends granting design
review and use permit approvals to

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construct the two boat lifts, two kayak
docks without their sheds,

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and the 270 foot dock expansion, all
within the recreation zoning district.

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Thank you. And we're happy to answer any
questions.

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» Thank you, Sammy.
Commissioners, um you like to ask

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questions?
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storage shed that is still part of the
application. Not the kayak storage shed,

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but the matching
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the application. Staff is not
recommending approval.

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» Okay. Thank you.

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And um Sammy, when you said that the
wooden platforms have been have been

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removed,
um what is going to I mean, is there

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going to be any uh any construction of
anything on the on the strip? And how

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does one get from the elevator down to
the dock if the wooden platforms are not

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there?
>> Yeah, good question. Uh, Commissioner

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Watson, if you remember in March of this
year when the elevator got approved,

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» they also received approval for a
landing to get from the elevator down to

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the existing um uh stairs. That stairs
was also approved to be uh reconstructed

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in the same location. And so that's the
the design that the our applicant is

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going to move forward with.

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» And I have one more question. the um
uh the kayak the two kayak racks that

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are proposed for approval or
recommending approval by staff. Is it

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would that be the third option, the most
open option or

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» the That's right. the third option.
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Uh maybe Sammy, could you just go back
to the um sort of the aerial that showed

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the parcels?

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» Um so the yellow rectangle um is that
that represents your understanding of

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what we call the strip?
>> That's correct.

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» Okay. Yeah,
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know, [snorts] it's kind of hard when
you're standing on site to tell there's

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no fences or anything. Um,

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and water. [laughter]
Um, okay. Thank you. Any

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questions?
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the on the strip itself are not an issue
here. Correct.

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» Correct.
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recommending the two sheds, one of which
is already grandfathered in, there is a

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kind of a shed there already, right?
>> There is one shed there right now. Yes.

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» Okay. And the reason the staff is
recommend is not recommending it is

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because it does not neatly fit into
either the docking or the mooring

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definition. Is that correct?
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And without the two sheds, would the
land owner then remove both sheds or one

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of them is completely derelct? Would he
or both of them restore? What is the

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plan then?

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» Can you bring your mic a little bit
closer? It's hard to hear you.

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» Sorry.
>> Thank you.

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» Uh question. If if the if the sheds are
not approved,

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what is the plan to deal with the
existing shed that is pretty derelictked

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on the pier? [snorts]
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Uh but that would be the extent of the
the sheds that would be on the on the

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dock.

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» And if the owner were to build a second
shed, that would increase the square

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footage of the dock. Correct?
No, the uh the the dock is being

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proposed for an expansion. The shed
would be on the on the dock. So, it

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wouldn't increase the square footage of
the dock itself.

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» Okay. So, the dock is going to be
increased anyways by that 270 ft.

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» Yes. And and that's primarily well it
partly for the boat lifts.

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» Understood. Thank you.

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Sorry, one one more question about the
shed. Um it you referenced in your um in

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your report that there's a shed on a
neighboring dock.

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» I'll have to let me go back in.
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there.

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» I can cover that.
>> Okay. And I and I guess I was

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specifically wondering if there if the
neighboring dock had one or two sheds on

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it.
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» Thank you.

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Another question for design review of
the um kayak racks. What's triggering

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design review? Is it because they're
fixed or the height of them or what

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specifically?
Why is it part of the design review?

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» That's also a good question. I think it
was part of the design review because it

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was more of a structure. At this point,
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you know, we require design review for
permanent structure structures. So, I

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would assume there's some permanency to
a rack on a dock in the middle of the or

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in the water.

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» Okay. Um, any further questions or shall
we ask the applicant to present?

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» Is that the same one?
>> Mr. Conro is the same.

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» [clears throat]
>> have a question. I guess

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Mark, are you ready to present?
>> Yeah.

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» Okay.

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[clears throat]

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» The one at 503. Is that the right one?
>> I think I said

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[clears throat]
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Mark, does this one look right?

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» Does this one look right?
That's it.

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» Okay.

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» [clears throat]

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» promote.

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» No, we'll do it for you.
>> But make sure that mic's on. Push the

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button. So, it's green.
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and yeah, just start out with number
one. I'll go in order.

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» Well, good evening and thanks for the
background music. Kind of makes me more

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relaxed. Uh, my name is Mark Conroe. I
live at 310 Beach Road. I'm uh

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representing the applicant. First of all
and foremost, maybe I want to thank

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planning staff. I don't know if planning
commission knows, but you have some of

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the best planning staff probably in the
country. I've dealt with a lot of

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planning commissions and planning staff
and they're right up there. So, don't

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lose them. Um, I think there's a couple
things in the staff report that I wanted

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or not the staff report, the staff
presentation that I'd like to correct.

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Um, the p the aerial is incorrect. So,
we'll get to that in a second. Where is

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the strip? So, I'd basically like to uh
address four questions. What does the

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general plan say about water usage in
the docks? What are we proposing? What

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does the dock lease say about equipment
storage? And where is that darn strip?

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The general plan consistently recognizes
that Belvadier's unique identity drives

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from its intimate relationship with the
bay. It identifies maritime improvements

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including docks, floats, and boat lifts
as an important part of the hundreds of

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waterfront properties in town and
recognizes uh Belvar Cove where we front

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as a important recreational resource and
seeks to preserve the city's unique

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waterfront character.
So what are we proposing? As staff

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pointed out, we had two pieces to our
proposal. One was the dock and two was

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in the strip to add two platforms to uh
as part of our elevator improvements. Uh

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clearly the whole issue of making
improvements in the strip is very

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political politicized and so we are
advised a couple hours ago to pull that

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from the application which we did. So
the only thing we're discussing tonight

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are the dock improvements.
So, what are those dock improvements?

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And again, we'll get to where the strip
is in a second.

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We're proposing
to enlarge the existing dock that's been

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there for over 50 years by 270 square
ft. This is only 120 square feet, more

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than what was proved a couple decades
ago. This would result in the total dock

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area of being 1,50 ft shared by two
homes. This is probably to my knowledge

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the only dock in Belvadier which is
shared with two homes. Other ones it's

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one dock one home. So this results in a
dock size per home of 525 square ft. And

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I would contend it's the smallest dock
after we enlarge it in Belvadier. 525 ft

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including all walkways.
We're also proposing a boat lift for

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each owner. Let's talk about those kayak
racks and the um boat equipment storage

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shed. There's one shed being proposed.
If you can go to actually if you if

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you're are they seeing what's in blue is
what we're talk you can leave actually

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that up for one second there Sammy
please. In blue is what we're talking

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about. In red is the strip below that
red line is the strip. And I'll get to

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the legal definition and our survey in a
second. Let's go to the next definition

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or sorry, next page,
page two of the plans there. Nope,

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that's not it. Oh, yeah. Okay. Actually
enlarged that a little bit. Uh you had

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the old uh elevation. We were asked to
provide an elevation. That was what was

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in the uh if you can make it smaller so
you can see there's two parts of that

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elevation. Sammy, if you can There we
go. Keep going. Okay, perfect. That's

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sort of the before and after. The before
was uh a week ago and the current is we

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turned the only one change we made. We
turn the kayak racks 90 degrees.

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One of the main reasons for doing this
was to clarify this word structures. Uh

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you can see that there a single wall
with a roof um and they're see-through.

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As you look from the beach or the bay,
you can see the existing shed and a

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matching to be a proposed equipment boat
equipment shed. So that's what we'll

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talk about in terms of boat use and we
can talk about the kayak racks too, but

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they are covered and they match exactly
what the neighbor has except about a

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quarter of the size. Let's go to the
next slide.

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Okay, now make it a little bit smaller,
please. Okay. Actually, that's not I was

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looking uh in the plans. If you can go
to the plans, the next slide in the

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plans.

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No, not just the plans. Number one,
sheet three of number one. Yeah. Okay.

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If you you can scroll through the pages.
Okay. Go back one page. This gives it um

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overall you can see the strip borded in
red and what we're talking about in

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blue. And again I'll substantiate the
interesting on on Sammy's U slide. It

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showed the correct legal description on
the left but the incorrect aerial on the

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right. I talked to the title company why
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It's not meant to represent a legal
description. The legal description

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represents the legal description which
is what we put on our survey which is

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the lines shown in red. Those are
accurate to the to the edge. Let's go to

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the next slide in this package, please.
Okay, this is on the left. A question

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about uh is there something like this
nearby? This is a couple docks down the

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two photos on the left. The photo from
the front of it and the photo from the

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back of it that in blue lines it shows
the size of ours superimposed on the

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their existing shed. You can see it's
quite a bit bigger. Um on the right just

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are pictures of the existing boat
storage shed. If you can go to the next

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slide, please.
Okay. And that's the elevation from the

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beach. Again, the the package that uh
the presentation that Sammy showed had a

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the the prior u picture of what it
looked like, but when we we just turned

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these racks to open the Vista up. Okay.
If you can go to the the um number two

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on my
uh list of slides, please.

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That's all in that package there.

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Yeah. Okay. This is simply to make the
point of the before and after of what

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the Vista looked when we all we did is
shift the outer two structures which are

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boat sorry kayak racks 90 degrees. You
can go to number three, Sammy, please.

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So, again, we we're trying to open it
up. We're trying to address what we

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think might be concerns. Let So, a
couple hours ago, Sammy asked me, "Well,

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why don't you give me some examples of
more open kayak racks?" So, this was

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done about two hours ago. The top is
what we're proposing. Um, and that's

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what's on the plans. And it has a single
side to protect against wind, wind, and

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a roof. And again, that's what's a
couple doors down. Um, ours is much much

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smaller than that, but same idea. There
would be one for each user of the docks.

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Two alternatives. Um, if we're going to
look at if you wanted to get rid of the

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roof, you would have a single wall um
without a roof. And then the third one

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down is a rack with no protection. The
issue here is you get strong winds that

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blow across the bay and kayaks end up in
the bay uh and create hazards in the

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bay. If we had to cut the baby in half,
I would opt for the middle option. Uh

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and that is uh with no roof but just a
wall to uh both attach stuff to and to

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protect against the wind. That would be
perpendicular to the beach. So as you're

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standing in the beach, as our elevation
shows, except you would get it rid of

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the roof. So you would just see this end
of a wall and the kayaks itself. So it'

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be virtually invisible, but it would uh
help solve the problem. It also helps

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solve the problem where to put the ores
because you'd strap those to the wall on

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the bottom example. Uh I'm not sure
where they go. Uh I know where they

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would end up in the bay on a strong
strong wind. So, uh, we would prefer not

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to have the bottom option.
Okay. Uh, next. Um,

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so let me I guess that's that is the and
I can entertain any questions about

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those improvements. So, in summary, it's
uh two kayak racks, one for each of us.

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Uh, and one boat storage shed. Uh, the
boat storage set seems to be on the

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endangered lease species list. Now, in
terms of keeping it, staff's

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recommending not keeping it. The only
thing I would uh ask is where do you

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keep all the stuff? Life preservers,
ores, um uh anything you might want to

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use with the boat. Uh so I guess it's
either in our living room or garage,

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which is up the top of the mountain or
in the boat itself. Um so that would be

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um because it's quite a trek to get down
the mountain. Uh so having a 4ft by

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basically a storage shed that's smaller
than a ping pong table uh out there is

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and again matching the one that's
already out there so it's easy to

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visualize is what we were asking for but
u I understand if that's controversial

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and uh
is uh forboden then then uh we want to

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move forward so I guess that means you
take it off the uh off the list. Um just

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real quickly about the dock lease. Um
the dock lease is not specific as

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structures on a dock. It says really
just two things in the lease in two

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sentences. That the dock is for private
recreational uses and for docking of

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boats. And you heard staff say just a
second ago that the docking uh keeping

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um docking kayaks is acceptable to them.
um not sure with or without walls or or

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roof, but um but keeping boat equipment
in a storage shed is not acceptable. Um

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so there, as I said, there's a practical
issue, but um I'm not really here to

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fight city hall on on putting a storage
shed on this dock. So if that's uh

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considered precedent setting, then I
think it comes out. Um,

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so that is I just want to have one last
comment. If you could pull up the uh the

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u the the um the APN map for the uh for
the strip. There's two attachments, two

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PDFs. One's the APM map for the strip
and one's a our survey for the strip.

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Could you pull those up, Sammy, please?

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» Can you?
>> The first one you'll recognize. It's

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just a bigger version of what Sammy
showed. in your presentation mark.

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» Yeah, it's
>> Yeah, go to the slides.

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» It's probably never Let's go here and
it's under

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uh go under uh extra. That's a good
point.

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» Yeah. Okay. Go for the APM map and then
the second one.

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» Okay.
This is um public information. It's the

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APM map. The thing to glean from this
very clearly, it's a legal description.

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The strip is actually a legal parcel.
It's parcel 06. Every parcel that the

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county has has a legal description. You
can see meets and bounds on this legal

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description on this parcel. You can see
the same where our houses are. It's

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actually very easy to plot the two. And
so all I've done in the next slide is

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taken the the um the the the um the
survey that we did for the in both the

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strip and for the homes right here and
overlaid that legal description the

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piece that fronts us uh over there and
those are the green lines. So there's

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the the strip ends just above the rip
raft. There's no question about this.

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There's no evidence of anything else.
Unfortunately, there's that um

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misleading errant aerial, but that has
no no legal bearing on anything. It's

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the legal description for lots that
dictate where lots are, and that's where

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the strip is. So,
um I don't think there's any question,

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and I'm happy to entertain any other
legal descriptions that may be found of

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the strip, but that's the only one that
exists.

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So I'll and I I'll I'll end in this and
this was I think in the packages we got

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neighbors sorry letters of support from
all the abuing neighbors that literally

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the ones that abut on each side of us
and then other one others on the street.

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So there is support for this and uh I
think that's an important part of the

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proposal. Um I think that's it and I'll
entertain any questions. Thanks for

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bearing with me.
Would

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any planning commissioner like to ask
questions of the applicant?

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» Hi. Sorry to uh take us away from the
thrilling conversation about kayak

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racks. Um can you tell us about the
lighting that's planned for the dock?

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» Sure. And staff made in their staff
report of recommendation which I'm fine

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with. And we have the most uh
unobtrusive lighting you can put in

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those little puck lights that are, you
know, one inch diameter that are flush

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mounted with the docked so you don't
walk off the end of the dock. Um and I

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think they said, "Hey, there's instead
of 30, I think the numbers were we put

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architect put 32 on there and they said,
let's put 20 on there." Um that's not a

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uh a key issue to us. So staff can adopt
whatever they want with doc with respect

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to the dock lights. Importantly, they're
not it's not light pollution. Other docs

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have, you know, basically search lights
out there and these are just puck lights

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so you can see where [clears throat]
you're walking

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» and they're and they're shielded from
the top. They're not shining straight

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up. Correct. Like like you see in the
photo here.

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» Yes. That we would Yeah, that's that
represents what we're planning to do. So

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yeah, you Yeah, exactly.
Okay. So about how many feet do you have

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in between them?
>> Well, the architect put there I would

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say there's about six feet or
>> Okay.

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» 6 or 8 feet between them now. And it may
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or 12 feet apart.
>> Okay. Great. Thank you.

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» Any other questions? Could

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I make one further comment?
Oh, yes. Okay. And I I just and I'm not

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going to bore you with my pictures of
high tide, but and it's largely

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unrelated and irrelevant to the
proposal, but um just for the record, we

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support the public's use of the beach.
And to the extent it's accessible, which

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it isn't at high tide, and we have some
photographs that show the water against

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the rip raft, um we're we're all good
for that. It's not on It's not on the

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strip, but it's um again, there's been
some talk about uh public use of the

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beach and and what we're doing doesn't
change that at all.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Go ahead,
>> Mark. So, in terms of the racks, the

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kind of the three possibilities here,
um, I understand, you know, your point

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about the third one, the lowest one
being not ideal, but you could still do

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some kind of a strap-on system, right,
where you strap in the kayaks and you

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would strap in the ores. Is that still
possible or is that

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» Yes, that would certainly be the backup
plan. Um, to if you had an open

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structure like the bottom picture, then
the wind the the problematic direction

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is north south basically. Um uh 80% of
the time the wind comes from Pacific

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Ocean. We're on the backside island.
That's why Belvadier built their houses

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there first because it was a better side
without the view of San Francisco of

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course. But but the wind comes from
Mexico or Alaska about 20% of the time

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or 10% of the time and it can get
howling. Someone asked what happened to

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our g our gang way that was ripped off
in a storm and actually all the damage

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you see to the existing dock was done
last November. So it actually looked

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much different before you had three-foot
waves cresting and taking the walkway

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down. So that that's the event that I'm
trying to protect against where you get

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50 mph winds blowing across the dock and
taking things with it. So but certainly

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we either go grab everything off and try
to bring it up the hill into the house

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up to the top of the mountain or we uh
strap it down and go fishing afterwards.

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Thanks.

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[clears throat]
I think the commission is finished with

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its questions. So,
would any member of the public like to

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speak regarding this item?

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Sandy Donnell, 137 Golden Gate Avenue,
Belvadier.

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And um I guess I'm curious about what
the point of like talking about the

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strip and the water and the waters not
being part of the strip. That's one of

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my first questions. And then I just want
to make sure that everybody's aware that

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not only if if any of that land does
become privatized in the agreement

419
00:36:55,359 --> 00:37:03,520
between the um when the when the
property was conveyed to the city of

420
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:09,040
Beler by the land company in
what 1896

421
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:14,480
it was if anything is um if we don't set
up live up to the covenants that they

422
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:18,800
have um agreed to then it reverts to the
Belvadier land company. So that is at

423
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:26,320
risk that the Belvadier land company is
entitled to take all that property back

424
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:30,640
if the city um abuses that. And then um
you spoke about the um so the revocable

425
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:34,920
license. So how is the elevator coming
down if there is no revocable license?

426
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:41,440
» Um maybe staff can answer that.
>> I mean maybe you can't answer because

427
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:46,000
I'm just a person talking. But
>> do you want me to answer?

428
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:50,400
» Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The uh planning
commission approved those a few months

429
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,599
ago and it has not gone to city council
yet.

430
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:56,960
» But so there is a revocable license.
>> It has not gone to city council for a

431
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,920
revocable license yet.
>> But that's possible.

432
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,040
» It Well, yes, it will go.
>> So then, okay, it will go. Well, I

433
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,160
didn't bring my little picture here, but
you've all had it where if you see, then

434
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:12,560
it's giving away almost as much land to
a private parties as the land in their

435
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:17,119
their ownership ex, you know, in their
own lots, existing lots. So, I I think

436
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:22,800
that would be very irresponsible the
city, but avoable license is still

437
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:28,480
supposed to be open to um the public.
You can't privatize. You can't cut it

438
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:31,839
off and make it part of your yard. um it
still is something that can be used by

439
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:35,760
the um by the public. That's my
understanding. When I was on the city

440
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:41,040
council when we looked at um revocable
licenses, that was one of the um one of

441
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,400
the strong findings. And I'm going to
run back and get my little picture for

442
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,400
you. Just a sec.
>> Sure.

443
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:55,680
» Um can I
can I ask a question? I had thought that

444
00:38:53,359 --> 00:39:03,160
there was a revocable license for the
existing stairs that or I guess the

445
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,160
pre-existing stairs

446
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:16,960
» in in 2022 310 Beach received a uh
recommendation for approval for a

447
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,720
revokeable license for his own stairs to
come down to the shared dock.

448
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,760
Is it?
>> But I I had thought that the stairs that

449
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:31,400
used to be there
had a revocable license associated with

450
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,400
those stairs

451
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:40,880
» on 310 beach or 3.
>> When we discussed this having to do with

452
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:44,720
with the with the elevator, it was my
understanding that there was a revocable

453
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:48,960
license that was associated with the
stairs. The elevator was in essence

454
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:54,880
replacing
>> there. at at uh Mr. Conro's property,

455
00:39:52,320 --> 00:40:00,160
there was a revocable license on his
property to get down to the stair uh to

456
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:05,839
the stairs from his side of the
property. Um that revocable license in

457
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:11,280
March
replaced all revocable licenses in the

458
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:16,720
strip
before then before that one. So any any

459
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:22,119
revocable license that was approved
prior in the strip was no longer

460
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:30,880
and and the one that went in 2022 it was
recommended for approval by planning

461
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:34,720
commission Mark I don't recall that it
went to the city council

462
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,119
license.
>> So he had a revokeable license for that

463
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:43,000
stairs.
>> Okay. Thank you.

464
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:48,440
I'm back when it goes to the city
council.

465
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:56,920
» So, if I can just clarify, is there is
there an auto revokable license now?

466
00:40:58,898 --> 00:41:00,918
» [clears throat]

467
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,440
» But the one that I think was mentioned,

468
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,480
» so um if you could just give us one
minute. I think we are just double

469
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:25,200
checking our records down here.
>> Thank you.

470
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,440
» Thank you, Commissioner.
Could [clears throat] I make a because

471
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,640
this is of course Chris I've researched
it heavily a couple quick uh comment on

472
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:40,560
the revocal license which of course city
council is their perview but um for 50

473
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:46,800
years we had one for the stairs that
were there in 2022

474
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:51,200
that was uh I was granted one for the
stairs and that's in place now. If the

475
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,400
one that's going next month to the
council gets approved for the elevator,

476
00:41:52,960 --> 00:42:00,880
that would replace the one for the
stairs. As far as the um the use of the

477
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:04,480
strip, we we're dramatically reducing
what's been done historically. It was

478
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:08,000
and I have an exhibit for this. I didn't
think we'd be discussing this because

479
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:13,599
it's a city council matter, but we were
about 6 or 700 square feet for 50 years.

480
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:18,240
The stairs are about 5 to 600 square
feet of impact area on the strip and

481
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,480
currently we're about 230 square feet
for the hill elevator. So, and I have a

482
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:26,480
a exhibit that shows all this. So, that
we've reduced in half our impact of

483
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,079
what's been going on for 50 years. It's
the exact opposite of what people are

484
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:34,079
suggesting that we're getting more land.
We're actually giving up a lot more

485
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:38,720
land. Even if we had the platforms
approved, it' be 30% less than what I

486
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:43,119
already have a revocable license for.
Platforms don't get approved in a month.

487
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:47,359
It's 50% less than what I currently have
in my hand in terms of a revocable

488
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:52,720
license. So again, we're trying to
reduce our impact on the strip. We're

489
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,880
giving back land that's been used for 50
years. So that those are the facts

490
00:42:54,319 --> 00:43:04,319
around the revocable licenses.
>> Thank you.

491
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:07,520
We'll wait for a moment for um staff to
catch up with any

492
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:17,160
» There's an existing revocable license
for 312 beach for landscaping.

493
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:17,160
Um I'm pulling up in 2022

494
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:25,200
there is a
the [clears throat] stairs were part of

495
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:29,520
a revocable license.
I don't I don't have that recorded, but

496
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,720
I can go back to the minutes of that
meeting and see if it was approved.

497
00:43:38,065 --> 00:43:40,085
[snorts]

498
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:55,440
So, will the
landscaping license for 312 remain in

499
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:59,560
place or is that going to be
replaced by this new

500
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:08,400
» Yes. My understanding of Okay, so we're
talking about the revocable license.

501
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:13,520
Now,
my understanding of it when it goes to

502
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:18,000
the council, it will be for the
landscaping for 312, the entirety of the

503
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:23,200
strip. So, both those property owners
are willing to take on responsibility

504
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:28,319
and liability for the entire strip. If
you draw imaginary property lines down

505
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:33,760
their pro down the hill towards the
water at the edge, it would stop. And

506
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:40,280
they they both have communicated to us
that they're willing to take on that

507
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,280
liab liability and responsibility.

508
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:52,640
That may be I mean it I'm not exactly
sure how that dovtales into our

509
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:58,720
deliberations tonight, but it's probably
a very good point for us all to be aware

510
00:44:55,200 --> 00:45:03,680
of and I think it'll be clarified when
it goes if it if and when it goes to

511
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:11,040
council um for consideration at the
replicable license stage. Um, I'll just

512
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:18,000
note there haven't been any landscape
proposals for either lot

513
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:24,240
as in front of either lot on the strip.
Um, and I imagine if um there were an

514
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:30,319
intention to do landscaping there as
opposed to maintenance and debris

515
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:34,119
collection, we would see a plan. But we
haven't seen one today.

516
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:45,960
Are there any other comments from the
audience? Please come forward.

517
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:55,119
» Hello, I'm Charlie Harrington. Oh,
should I wait for the timer?

518
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,880
» Anyway, I'll I'll start. I'm Charlie
Harrington. I'm chair of the Belvadier

519
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:03,440
Parks Open Spaces and Lanes Committee.
Um, on this matter, I've been engaged uh

520
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:07,520
with city staff. Um, a couple months
ago, I met with city staff, a council

521
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,319
member, and a homeowner at the site. Uh,
we reviewed and discussed what seemed

522
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:14,400
like a great project, which was to add
the elevator, repair the existing

523
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:18,319
damaged dock, and improve pedestrian
access on the beach underneath the dock,

524
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,680
which was awesome. Um, but the project
has ballooned since then. I've written

525
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:25,599
two letters. Um, hopefully you've seen
those. Um, so I was going to talk about

526
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,000
two things. It does look like the
shoreline decks have been removed from

527
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,520
this proposal. That was one of the
things I was going to bring up, but um

528
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,440
otherwise I'll talk about the building
of the uh additional dock. So the

529
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,960
Belvadier general plan was brought up
earlier. I reviewed it when I joined

530
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,520
Parks Open Spaces Lanes. And there's an
exhibit, exhibit 3 is the land use map.

531
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:47,599
It's this colorful map showing what what
everything is. And the general plan that

532
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:52,960
map clearly shows that the waters of
Belvadier Cove are open space. Um so in

533
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:57,359
the staff report, it they're contending
the new dock would be in the R zone,

534
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,520
city's recreation zone. Um, so there's
there's some ambiguity there. So I just

535
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,119
highlight that for your attention. Um,
and then in the staff report, it talks

536
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:09,280
about the term of private recreational
land use as an acceptable way to get a

537
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,560
use permit. And in that same map, which
of course I don't have in color, uh, I

538
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,240
don't have a color printer, but there
are three locations in Belvadier where

539
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:21,119
you can have private residential land
use. It's on that map. They are the two

540
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:25,760
yacht clubs and they are the homes along
the water on Corinthian. I think those

541
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:29,040
homes interestingly own the water uh
underneath or own the land underneath

542
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,880
the water right there. But beyond that,
the general plan doesn't show any other

543
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,480
private recreational land use. So, I
wanted to highlight that. Uh, of course,

544
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:40,000
there are the grandfathered in private
recreational docks. It's my

545
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,079
understanding the city has not approved
uh another dock being construction since

546
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:47,680
the 80s. So, I just reminding like what
this project is. Um, you know, repairing

547
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,520
the existing dock is one thing, but
expanding and doubling the size of that

548
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:56,640
fixed dock, effectively building a new
dock, which the city has, as far as I

549
00:47:53,440 --> 00:48:00,160
know, hasn't done in many years. Um, so
yeah, the original project of a hill,

550
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,599
existing dock repair, and improving
pedestrian access under the dock. No

551
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,359
issues with that. And again, I
appreciate the engagement uh that we've

552
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:11,359
had so far, but I just uh think about
the precedent of giving away the city's

553
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:17,280
public zones open and recreation for
private benefit. Thank you.

554
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:22,000
Thank you,
>> Chair Cidle. Just for your uh

555
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:27,200
consideration, we did find the 2022
revocable license which was executed uh

556
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:32,240
at 310 Beach Road. It included a new
staircase, landing, and landscaping.

557
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:37,680
» Okay.
>> And and is so is that already repealed

558
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,440
or is that still in effect until
something supersedes it? That's still in

559
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,839
a
>> Yeah, that revocable license is still

560
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:51,359
recorded on the property. Um, so it
would could be repealed assuming this

561
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:54,160
project goes forward to city council.
Uh, but then there could be some

562
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:59,599
potential for harmonizing the two
revocable licenses given that this 221

563
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,599
references landscaping. I don't think
that would be disturbed, but obviously

564
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,400
the stairs and such could be impacted.
>> So we would need to harmonize them

565
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,800
assuming this project goes forward.
>> Okay.

566
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:14,960
» Thank you.
Okay. Anyone else? Uh, I'm I'm I'm

567
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:20,240
letting members of the public comment
right now, Mark. Um,

568
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,760
Rebecca, is there anyone on Zoom who
would like to say anything?

569
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:27,520
» There are no hands raised.
>> Okay. Um, Mark, if if you have one very

570
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,680
brief comment,
>> very brief comment because there is

571
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:35,760
» there is the staff report correctly
identifies recreation zone versus open

572
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:41,760
space zone. The general plan is
confusing, but but Mr. variance because

573
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:46,480
it shows open space all the way to um to
Angel Island. So it's logical conclusion

574
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:50,400
is that uh parks and open space can
regulate things all the way to Angel

575
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:55,760
Island. If you look at the current
zoning map, it clearly shows open space

576
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:01,359
is the hillside, the strip, and
recreation is the beach and the water.

577
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:04,960
That's the zoning map. Uh city staff pre
presented that to me this week. So I

578
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:09,599
think the general plan needs to be
amended to be consistent with the

579
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:15,440
current zoning map which is the hillside
is the open space. The strip the beach

580
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:24,520
and the bay are recreation zone not
perview of the um parks and open space

581
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:24,520
people. Thanks. Okay. Thank you.

582
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:33,200
So, I'm going to just give one more
opportunity if anybody wants to say

583
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:36,680
anything before I bring this back to the
planning commissioners.

584
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:45,839
Having said that, I will now close the
public hearing and bring it back to the

585
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:52,960
commission for discussion. Um, Jenna,
could you please lead the discussion?

586
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:58,880
» Sure, I'm happy to. Um, with uh your
permission, I'd stand up. I threw my

587
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:03,200
back out this past week and uh it was a
little bit painful to sit, so I'm just

588
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,760
going to I'm just going to do this.
Sorry. Um, [sighs and gasps] it's much

589
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,280
better. Um,
uh, first first of all, I want to I want

590
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:16,079
to say thank you both to the both to the
staff and to the homeowners and also and

591
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:20,079
also to, uh, to Charlie Herring to
Harrington. Um this has been a a project

592
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:24,319
that we've discussed a couple of times
and I think there's a lot of real

593
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:30,480
thoughtfulness uh that is sort of all
you know all all around on on all on all

594
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:34,720
aspects of it. Um as some of you know I
actually used to be chair of the parks

595
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:41,520
open spaces and lanes lanes commission.
So, I am I'm I'm very attuned to the

596
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:45,760
public access um issues um especially
with the beachfront properties and some

597
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:49,920
of the coordination that it takes uh
with the homeowners and um and the and

598
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:57,920
the com and the commission. So, thank
you. Um, one thing that that I that I

599
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:03,200
like about this this uh project is that
it's, you know, it's actually getting

600
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:08,720
the homeowners to to be able to use
their waterfront. One thing that I find

601
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:13,760
amazing about Belvadier is that we're
surrounded by water, yet the access to

602
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:17,200
the water is almost nil. I mean, when
you think about the the ways that the

603
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:21,520
public can access can access the water,
it's really difficult. I mean for for

604
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:26,960
those of us who don't live on and and
for those of us who live on the water um

605
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:31,599
and uh the reason why I had asked about
the revocable licenses because I think

606
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:39,119
that one of the things that makes
Belvador so great is that we do have um

607
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:45,440
as you know we do have the strip is we
do have access that's built into

608
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:52,240
um our land our land records for the for
the public and that's something I'm very

609
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:58,559
interested in. um in um in keeping um
one one thing that I want to point out

610
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:02,720
is that you know there there's two
different sections to you know to what

611
00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:06,319
we're looking at. There's the there's
the strip which I appreciate that

612
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:11,599
there's no building that's happening in
the strip now and that is in the other

613
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:15,680
building that's being covered by it is
is already covered by a revocable

614
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:22,480
license which is why I asked about that.
And then the dock itself, which in

615
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:25,480
looking at the plans, there are going to
be

616
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:33,680
six new pilings that are that are that
are going to be dug and I appreciate the

617
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:40,880
amount of work that's been done by the
um we call it the seafair seafaring

618
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:46,640
agencies um to approve that. I don't
really have that much of an opinion with

619
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:54,240
respect to
the kayak racks. I mean, I've seen

620
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:59,667
enough kayaks blown around. Um, and I
can't get that excited over whether a

621
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:05,359
kayak rack has a wall or a roof or
[laughter] no roof and no wall. So, I

622
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:12,240
will leave that to other members to talk
about. Um,

623
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:18,559
but I I do appreciate that this is a
unique project for the expansion of the

624
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:25,440
dock because it is shared by two houses.
Um and I think that the plan in its even

625
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:31,440
though it is enlarge enlarging the dock
considerably

626
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:35,760
does serve to not not
require putting a new dock in for you

627
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:40,000
know for the other for the other
homeowner and that they are sharing a

628
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:43,520
dock. And I find it amazing that in this
community that two homes next to each

629
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:49,200
other have been able to share a dock for
so long. I think that's testament to our

630
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:54,359
community quite frankly. Um
so

631
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:54,359
um

632
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,880
oh what is the expiration of the lease?

633
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:08,960
» 25 years
>> I think it's 39.

634
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:12,160
Okay.
>> And and there's no proposal right now to

635
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,520
extend that?
>> Not to my knowledge.

636
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,520
» Okay. Thank you.
Um,

637
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:27,359
all right.
That's my comments right now. Thank you.

638
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:33,040
I'm just going to continue to stand.
>> Okay. Permission granted.

639
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:36,720
Uh, is that please?
>> Yeah. Thank you. Um, I'd just like to

640
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:40,960
thank the applicant and other members of
the public who spoke. Um, uh, I really

641
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:45,280
do appreciate your efforts in working
with the staff on this project. I have I

642
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:50,720
spent a lot of time uh reading through
all the details and it's very thoughtful

643
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:54,559
application. Um I and I appreciate the
comments about the general plan. I think

644
00:55:52,400 --> 00:56:01,200
it's really important to open up access
to the water and recreational uses. Um,

645
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:08,319
however, I do think that the planning or
the city staff's uh interpretation of

646
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:14,400
the lease terms is um is something that
I will that is guiding this project as

647
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:20,720
well in terms of the storage not uh
really being allowed under the lease. um

648
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:26,799
you know that the dock expansion um I
think I agree with the uh recommendation

649
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:30,319
that it um it's in keeping with other
docks in the area. It's not oversized.

650
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,960
You know, the materials are all
compatible. Um and I think it's

651
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:43,280
consistent with the Rzzoning district as
well. Um, as far as the storage racks

652
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:49,280
for the kayak, um, I do again think that
while I appreciate, uh, the general plan

653
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:53,760
provisions, I do think that the, uh,
lease provisions are the more

654
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:58,240
restrictive here. And I think that the
the more open kayak rack seems more

655
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:04,160
appropriate. Otherwise, it becomes more
of a storage structure, which according

656
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:10,160
to staff um interpretation of the lease
um wouldn't be permitted. And again, um

657
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:14,720
I do uh think that the reduction in
lighting on the dock as proposed by

658
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,720
staff would be appropriate as well.
Thanks.

659
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:24,880
» Thank you.
Uh Jacob, can we have you weigh in on

660
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:29,359
this now? Uh
>> yeah. I

661
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:33,040
I second the comments uh that have been
made and thank you to Mark and others

662
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:38,480
who have expressed their views here as
well. Um

663
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:44,319
I come to it from I guess a very similar
perspective which is we have a pretty

664
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:48,480
derelict dock right now and it's almost
it's really an eyesore for pretty much

665
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:53,680
everybody involved and there's a plan to
fix it to renovate it um slightly

666
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:58,799
enlarge it in a way that I think will
add to the aesthetic appeal and in

667
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:04,880
essence the public benefit
there. So, for me, that's um an

668
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:09,119
important factor. As regards the rack,
um I'm of the opinion that you should

669
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:12,880
strike a balance between what's most
utilitarian, but also provides for the

670
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:17,920
safety. I don't think it's good for any
kind of plastic debris to be blown away

671
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:22,480
and floating in the bay. So, uh Mark, I
think you've expressed the opinion that

672
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:28,160
the second version is probably the one
that will provide that medium of safety,

673
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:32,240
but also of least intrusiveness.
I'm fine with that design. I think it

674
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:39,559
strikes an appropriate balance.
Um, that's my opinions.

675
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:39,559
» Thank you.

676
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:51,359
Um, there has been, I would say, a lot
of work on this application. I

677
00:58:48,319 --> 00:59:00,640
appreciate staff. I appreciate the
applicant and community members. um

678
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:06,960
parks, open space, and lanes input. Um
I've tried to diligent diligently read

679
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:13,119
and reread it all and read the deeds. Um
I think it's a uh it's been an

680
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:18,720
interesting um application to study
because it really touches on four

681
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:23,839
different parcels. Um, and there's, you
know, information going back all the way

682
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:29,599
to the 19th century to take into
consideration here. Um,

683
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:33,839
and I I
um, I should disclose I've had numerous

684
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:40,079
conversations with Mr. Conroe in the
course of this um, sort of trying to

685
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:44,160
navigate the best course. Um, I feel I I
share with um, fellow commissioners. I

686
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:50,799
think we're on a pretty good course here
now. Um the way during my admittedly

687
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:55,440
somewhat limited years on the
commission, we have had [clears throat]

688
00:59:53,040 --> 01:00:02,799
several of these applications related to
docks and transiting across the strip.

689
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:08,799
And I think so far um my impression is
that the idea even though it's not

690
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:14,400
specifically mentioned in the deed that
if you have a dock, you got to have a

691
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:20,720
way to get there. And so um that's what
this application has now not so clear

692
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:27,119
that you know expansions beyond that
within the strip are a good idea. So I

693
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:35,119
feel it's a clean application now um
with with the removal of the platforms.

694
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:40,880
Um and then um I go out to the the dock.
Um, I feel this [clears throat] is a

695
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:47,359
probably a pretty unique situation in
Belvadier where two properties are

696
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:51,839
sharing one dock. I think
given that it's a unique situation, I

697
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:58,160
can understand why each homeowner would
essentially want to have a place for

698
01:00:53,520 --> 01:01:04,400
their own boat and lift. And I don't
think the docks are excessively large.

699
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:10,559
So, um, I would be able to find in favor
of the dock. So, when you get to the

700
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:17,119
discussion of, you know, the things on
top of the dock, um, [clears throat]

701
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:22,400
you know, I'm inclined to go with the
staff interpretation, I think. Um, but

702
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:29,359
partly because in my own mind, given
that the dock is in an open space zone,

703
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:32,960
I think having less structures on it is
consistent with the idea of an open

704
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:37,760
space. I mean, it's basically a
horizontal plane with a railing. You can

705
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:42,079
mo a boat there. Um, it's not
obstructing the views of the open space

706
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:49,520
and there are people using the beach who
want to look out. Um, so

707
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:58,960
again, I appreciate the offer to remove
the shed. So that kind of leaves us with

708
01:01:52,960 --> 01:02:04,319
the kayaks. Um, I I I think it's got to
be either image two or image three. And

709
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:10,040
bear with me for a minute minute while I
vacasillate here. Um, I think that

710
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:16,640
properly
uh secured

711
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:21,119
it and probably has to be significant
strapping or something. I think that the

712
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:27,760
kayaks themselves are weatherproof. They
don't need cover. Um,

713
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:31,280
how a freestanding wall is going to
perform, it's a little hard for me to

714
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:36,799
predict
um whether it's going to add that much

715
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:44,799
safety. So, I guess I'm inclined to go
with just the rack. Um, and I would add

716
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:49,520
though as far as I'm sensitive to what
Mr. Conroe brought up about lugging

717
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:55,520
everything up to the house. You do want
to have storage for life preservers and

718
01:02:52,480 --> 01:03:00,720
paddles and so forth in a secure way.
But I um there are there are

719
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:05,599
pre-fabricated bins that are of a lower
height that to me would be acceptable.

720
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:09,359
They may not even have to be part of
the,

721
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:15,440
you know, whatever findings we make
today because I think they're um, you

722
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:20,400
know, not necessarily a fixed structure.
They would be attached to the dock so

723
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:24,880
they didn't blow away, but um to me that
would be acceptable because they would

724
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:30,640
be sort of more in the height range of a
railing. So less view obstructing but

725
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:39,200
sort of solve the storage problem which
I think is um a legit a legitimate

726
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:44,520
desire. Um so I I think that's
pretty much how I come down on it.

727
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:03,280
Does does anyone have anything further
to say or um are we It sounds like we're

728
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:08,000
relatively consistent. Someone wants to
take a stab at making a motion.

729
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:12,200
» Do you want the lawyer to do it?
>> Okay,

730
01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:12,200
» I'd appreciate it. Sure.

731
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:26,640
All right. Um
like to propose a motion to adopt the

732
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:33,839
resolution granting design review
approval to construct two boat lifts,

733
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:39,119
two wood landings, and a dock extension
for the properties located at 310 and

734
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:42,720
312 Beach Road with the
>> excuse me.

735
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:47,039
Not not the woodlandings.
>> Oh, sorry. Not the woodlanding. Sorry.

736
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:50,960
Yep.
Adopt a resolution granting design

737
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:56,799
review approval to construct two boat
lifts and a dock expansion for the

738
01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:03,520
properties located at 310 and 312 Beach
Road with the following requirements.

739
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:15,319
There be a reduction in the number of
lights as uh as as discussed.

740
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:15,319
that the kayak racks be rack number

741
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:21,359
» three
>> be rack number three in the in the

742
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:30,000
photos that were shown.
um that the new shed proposed is not is

743
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:37,280
not approved [gasps]
and that the public access is main is

744
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:43,039
maintained um along the beach in the
same degree as currently exists.

745
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,880
» If I could just clarify the motion if
you don't mind commissioner.

746
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:48,720
» Go for it.
>> Yeah. So the the shed is not before you.

747
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:52,880
It's no longer part of the application
given the duck lease. All right.

748
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:55,359
» Right. And then I believe you at the end
addressed maintenance. Is that what I

749
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:59,920
heard?
>> No, no, no. Public access.

750
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:02,559
» Oh, public access. Okay. Uh, that's not
part of design review.

751
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:06,640
» Okay.
>> But if that's something that's you

752
01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:11,359
nonetheless want to address, that's
okay. But it's not technically a design

753
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:14,160
review criteria,
>> right? We're on the designer edge view

754
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:19,920
resolution
>> and it's not that that's not part of the

755
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:26,960
project that so it's do you have the
peer they're just rebuilding that but so

756
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:31,440
and that sort of [clears throat] relates
more to the revocable license.

757
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:35,640
» Okay. All right. Then we can take we can
if it if that's not

758
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:43,119
if that's if if what's before us isn't
isn't covered by the area that that the

759
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,039
public
walks.

760
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:49,039
» Right. We're not addressing any
improvements on the street.

761
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:54,559
» All right. All right. So we have
lighting

762
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:57,039
rack number three.
That's it.

763
01:06:55,359 --> 01:07:02,000
» Yes. Thank you so much, Commissioner.
>> All right.

764
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:05,839
Okay. Do you want me to rephrase?
>> I think we have it. Unless anyone else

765
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:10,319
up on the DIS would like a read, a
further read.

766
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:15,039
» Can it be read again?
>> Of course.

767
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:19,760
» Right. Um, I'd like to propose a a
motion to adopt the resolution granting

768
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:25,760
design review approval to construct two
boat lifts and a dock expansion for the

769
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:30,640
properties located at 310 and 312 Beach
Road with the requirements that there be

770
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:38,480
a reduction in the overall lighting on
the dock as discussed in this meeting

771
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:44,240
and that the kayak racks be of the sort
shown as rack number three in the in the

772
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:46,799
photos. is pres presented at this
meeting.

773
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,799
» Perfect. Thank you so much,
Commissioner.

774
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:57,039
» Okay, we'll [clears throat]
please vote. All in favor?

775
01:07:54,079 --> 01:08:00,280
» I
thank you.

776
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:20,239
All right. Um
and then we have another motion. Okay.

777
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:24,560
Um, adopt. I would like to propose a
motion adopting resolution granting the

778
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:30,159
use permit approval to expand the
existing fixed dock the city-owned water

779
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:36,319
parcel within the R zoning district
adjacent to 310 and 312

780
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:43,040
Beach Road.
And I'd like to add subject to the

781
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:48,000
existing lease or something where I
reference the fact that the use of the

782
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:51,440
dock is covered by the lease with the
city.

783
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:53,600
» Yes, I think it's fine to reference or
include subject to the existing dock

784
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:59,839
lease.
>> Okay. Um subject subject to the exist to

785
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:03,239
the terms and conditions of the existing
doc lease.

786
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:12,560
Uh
yes, you can.

787
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:17,279
» Is the dock lease co-terminus with a
revocable license?

788
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:20,719
» No, not necessarily. So that's a very
good point. So the doc lease, as

789
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:25,839
referenced before, is set to expire on
June 30th, 2039. Revocable leases do not

790
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:29,920
necessarily have a term,
>> although something that the city council

791
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:36,239
could conceivably incorporate, but they
don't always have a term.

792
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:40,960
So it is something that we should
probably look into in that the two

793
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:44,880
documents should be co-terminous, right?
Because you can't really have a dock

794
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:48,319
without the revocable license that
allows for the access to the dock.

795
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:51,319
Correct.
So

796
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,280
» isn't the revocable license covering the
strip of land?

797
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,480
» Mhm.
>> And the strip of land is where the

798
01:09:56,719 --> 01:10:01,920
elevator and the stairs are. Without the
strip of land, without that elevator and

799
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,880
the stairs, you cannot access the dock.
Is that correct? Logically correct? Yes.

800
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:09,920
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So therefore, the two the revocable

801
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:14,880
license and the lease, the dock lease
should have the same term, the same

802
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:20,320
length would be my advice on that.
Otherwise, you can have a situation

803
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:24,239
where one expires or one is revoked, but
the other one remains

804
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:27,520
» and the land owner may have other other
remedies for it, but I don't think the

805
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,920
city would want to engage in those.
Yeah, that's a very good point,

806
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:33,120
Commissioner. We can certainly raise
that with the city council when they

807
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:36,679
consider the revocable license.
>> Thank you.

808
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,679
» Thank you.

809
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:51,320
» I think we need a second. Second motion.
>> Please vote. All in favor?

810
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,320
» I

811
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:54,920
» Thank you.

812
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:02,640
And then we do not have a motion.
>> We don't need the third one. Okay.

813
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,640
» All right. I think that concludes this
item.

814
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:24,000
Okay. Uh we are now going to return to
our regularly scheduled program. Uh, and

815
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:31,239
I will open the hearing [clears throat]
on item three, design review for

816
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:31,239
additions to 34 Eucalyptus Road.

817
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:43,800
Can we have a presentation from staff,
please?

818
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:17,920
Yeah, we're ready.
>> Thank you, Chair Cidle, and members of

819
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:21,920
the planning commission. Again, uh for
your consideration, this evening is an

820
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:27,920
application for design review to
construct two additions in a canopy at

821
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,920
34 Eucalyptus Road.

822
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:36,080
The subject property is 22,000 square
feet and on a steeply slope lot on the

823
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:40,800
southwest side of Belvadier Island. The
parcel is located near the end of a

824
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:45,199
culde-sac on the private Eucalyptus Road
and is surrounded by single family homes

825
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:50,000
in all directions. The site includes an
existing 3,697

826
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:55,040
foot residence and 600 ft detached
garage which is screened by dense

827
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:59,880
vegetation and mature trees along the
property's western, southern, and

828
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:59,880
northern sides.

829
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:07,360
The applicant proposes two additions
resulting in 289 square feet of new

830
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:12,719
floor area to be located on the lower
level of the existing residence. One

831
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:17,199
addition uh would total 55 square feet
at the northern side of the property, 23

832
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:22,800
feet from the right side property line.
The second addition consists of a 234

833
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:29,520
square ft addition beneath the footprint
of the upper level deck on the at the

834
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:33,679
rear of the residence. The 237 234t
addition will be 17 ft from the rear

835
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:38,560
property line and 45 ft from the left
side property line.

836
01:13:36,716 --> 01:13:44,000
» [snorts]
>> The 55 foot edition would include one

837
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:49,440
sliding door and one fixed window. The
234t edition would include one sliding

838
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:54,239
glass door and two fixed windows. The
additions would not increase the height

839
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:59,360
of the home. The 55 ft addition would be
9 ft 6 in in height from existing grade

840
01:13:57,021 --> 01:14:04,640
[clears throat] and the 234t edition
would be set into the sloping hillside

841
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:08,880
15 ft above existing grade. The proposed
exterior materials would match the

842
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:13,760
existing residence, including dark flint
flint rock colored wood siding and steel

843
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:16,726
windows and doors in a matte dark bronze
finish. [snorts]

844
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:26,840
The project proposes a constructing a
new 532 ft steel canopy on the existing

845
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,840
upper level deck.

846
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:36,719
The canopy structure would be 11 ft tall
and supported by four steel columns with

847
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:41,600
a matte dark bronze finish. The existing
deck would be renovated as well with the

848
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:47,080
existing seating area to be removed and
installation of new stone pavers and

849
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,080
glass guardrails.

850
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:56,600
Here are the rendering details. The look
of the stone deck and canopy. The canopy

851
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,600
would include motorized shades as well.

852
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:03,440
Exterior lighting is proposed on the new
canopy and they would include six flush

853
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:07,159
mounted exterior lights between the
canopy steel slats.

854
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:16,080
Uh the project does propose landscaping
uh that would include prairie drop seed

855
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:22,920
grass within a 27 square foot planter uh
on the entry level deck. the grass would

856
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,920
grow to a maximum height of 4 feet.

857
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:31,920
Uh for the commission's consideration,
we did re receive one letter uh about

858
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:37,120
the project uh related to a previous
approval in 2022 and that information

859
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:42,000
was sent to you and on the uh DIS for
you as well.

860
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:46,000
The project is categorically exempt from
SQA.

861
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:53,600
Uh staff recommends that the design
review uh uh be granted and the planning

862
01:15:51,120 --> 01:16:00,560
commission adopt the resolutions for
totaling 289 square feet and 532 foot

863
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:03,440
canopy on the existing upper level deck.
Thank you. And we're happy to answer any

864
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:09,719
questions.
>> Yeah. Commissioners, uh questions for

865
01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:09,719
staff.

866
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:20,400
» You [clears throat] for staff? you you
were not really counting the um canopy

867
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:23,280
as one of the additions, correct?
Because it's open to the sky. Correct.

868
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,280
» Exactly.
>> Okay.

869
01:16:27,017 --> 01:16:29,037
[clears throat]

870
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:40,320
If the um canopy were ever to be more
completely covered like more than 50%

871
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:43,280
then it would it would count as square
footage and it would be non-compliant I

872
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:45,360
presume.
>> We would then count it as square

873
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:48,840
footage. Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.

874
01:16:52,239 --> 01:17:02,560
um regarding the um letter that we have
about the lighting that um I didn't look

875
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:07,679
at the lighting when I was there. It
seems like it may not be compliant with

876
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:11,360
our the existing lighting may not be
compliant with our guidelines. Is that

877
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:16,239
something that
we can think about here or is that

878
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:22,960
something that should be handled through
another uh process?

879
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:26,000
The design review findings do take into
consideration all existing

880
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:31,280
nonconformities.
Uh I remember that that lighting that

881
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:35,360
was uh approved in 2022, it was
incorrectly approved.

882
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:38,960
So
yeah, it was it was subject to a final

883
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:43,199
lighting and landscape plan by the chair
at the time. The chair did not get a

884
01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:48,480
opportunity to review those those
lights. So,

885
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:51,920
uh, there it was approved and the
building permit was issued, but there

886
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:56,640
was no final lighting and landscaping
plan that was approved by the chair in

887
01:17:54,159 --> 01:18:04,640
2022.
Okay. Um, so that's good history. Is it

888
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:09,120
is it something that we could act on in
in this approval and ask for it to be

889
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:15,280
rectified or do we need to separate
them? And

890
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,280
» we have the points.

891
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:23,440
I think typically it would be handled
through a code enforcement action. I was

892
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:30,000
involved with some of the complaints
about the lights and I pulled up the

893
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:35,120
plans and the lights that are my
understanding in 2023 that the lights

894
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:39,440
that are on there are the are the lights
that were approved. So it sounds like

895
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:46,000
amongst staff we need to do a little
more historical research into this.

896
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:51,920
» Yeah. Um, I mean, I'm I'm sympathetic to
what the letter is expressing. However,

897
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:56,880
um, I don't have
information regarding the details of it.

898
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:02,159
So, like for me, it would be kind of
hard to to say anything at this point.

899
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:07,600
So, um, I just, um, but I think maybe
there's something that internally you

900
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:11,480
could do in terms of rectifying this the
situation if it's non-compliant.

901
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:18,320
Okay.
>> Yeah. Can we

902
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:23,920
even though this was formally approved,
can we

903
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:27,320
um encourage the applicant to change
those lights?

904
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:33,600
» Yeah, I think sorry. Go ahead.
>> Yeah, c commissioner. Yeah, certainly

905
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:36,960
one of the options is to discuss the
issue with the property owner, but it

906
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,880
sounds like again that we also need to
make sure that we understand the history

907
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:44,640
as well.
>> All right. Because I what I also noted

908
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:49,280
there are six more lights under the
canopy which we can discuss with the

909
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:54,040
applicant that um I asked him to
decrease. Okay.

910
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,040
» Okay. Thank you.

911
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:06,719
» Um
um if we have no further questions, is

912
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:10,480
the applicant here? Would they like to
speak? Yeah. Thank you.

913
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:20,560
Yeah, thank you for your time this
evening. Um,

914
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:24,080
I met with uh Marsha on Sunday and um
she had some very good ideas. We will

915
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:29,280
reduce the number of lights in the
canopy from 6 to three. And if if the

916
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:33,600
council would like us like me to replace
the lights on the on the uh deck, I

917
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:37,840
don't want it to be an issue with with
my neighbors and I'd be happy to do that

918
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:42,080
and make it conform.
want to be a good neighbor. And also,

919
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:49,199
Marcia had a very good idea about
landscaping below the add proposed

920
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:53,280
addition. And we have we the architects
uh and landscape companies sent a plan

921
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:59,040
in this evening. I don't think it made
it in time for the meeting. Uh that

922
01:20:55,679 --> 01:21:05,520
includes landscaping all under all on
the hillside and uh four oak trees, two

923
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:08,520
30-inch box oaks, and two 24inch box oak
trees.

924
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:14,440
Thank you.
>> Thank you.

925
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:21,239
» Um, any questions from the planning
commission to the applicant?

926
01:21:24,391 --> 01:21:26,411
[laughter]

927
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,520
» She's got a lot of experience, right?

928
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:43,760
Are there any comments um from members
of the audience regarding this item?

929
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:47,199
» I I have one comment. Um
if you if it's in the planning

930
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:53,440
commission's interest, we will pull up
this landscape sheet because the

931
01:21:51,360 --> 01:22:02,159
additional landscaping would require
design review. So if you can review it

932
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,800
on the dis I think that would help the
applicant out to not have to go through

933
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,679
design review again.
>> Okay.

934
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,440
» That sounds
>> I know that's putting a lot of pressure

935
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,000
on you.
>> Yeah. Well, I was going to make it a

936
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,880
condition.
>> Yeah.

937
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:16,000
» I was going to make the landscaping as a
condition of approval.

938
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:21,360
» Okay.
>> That size

939
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:25,280
have to be reviewed at a design review
level.

940
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:28,679
» Okay. So, is this a revised plan that
we're looking at?

941
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:34,320
» Yeah,
>> I don't think so. I think it's new.

942
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:39,440
» It was an addition.
>> Oh, okay. But this represents the

943
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:46,239
landscaping that you just discussed that
you so maybe you could just spend a

944
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:49,199
minute describing what this exhibit.
>> We just got it today. [laughter] So, we

945
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:55,600
can
>> it it's it's uh basically a variety of

946
01:22:53,280 --> 01:23:03,440
different shrubberries and then the four
oak trees that you see there um closer

947
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:10,159
to the uh Belvadier Avenue. Um, and we
we did that on Marsh's direction. And I

948
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:15,840
I did plan on on doing some enhancement
of landscape because there's been a lot

949
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:19,440
of work done um under the house uh air
conditioning and and some shoring up of

950
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:25,760
the
of the uh foundation. And it's pretty

951
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:29,800
much just bare land. And I wanted to
bring it up to uh

952
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:35,480
bring it up to a higher quality look.

953
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:42,080
» I think the the I think the biggest sort
of impact here are these four C oak

954
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:47,040
trees.
>> Um we don't have a size on it. I think

955
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:51,920
that can be determined um with the
planning commission chair afterwards if

956
01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:58,560
you're inclined to review this tonight.
Um the other landscaping the maximum

957
01:23:54,639 --> 01:24:02,159
height ranges from 1 foot to six feet. I
think that's sort of you know what the

958
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:06,880
planning commission tends to look at in
terms of height and potential view

959
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:11,840
impact and things like that. I think the
the biggest impact again are these trees

960
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:16,400
here um which look like they're going on
the lower side of the house.

961
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:20,560
» So I would assume it would be a while
before

962
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:23,840
No, they're going here on the side. So I
think that's a detail that can be

963
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:27,520
determined with the planning commission
chair.

964
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:30,960
» I was thinking that perhaps the
landscape plan could be it could be

965
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:34,000
conditioned but then it could be
approved by the chairman and planning

966
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:37,679
staff.
>> Yes. Okay.

967
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:42,719
» And um Rebecca, if you just scroll this
up a little bit. The area on the right.

968
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:49,840
Uh no,
move the image up. It the the deck with

969
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:51,360
the canopy is above that rectangle.
um there.

970
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:56,480
» Yeah.
>> And there's planting that's going under

971
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:59,280
the deck, I guess, if I understand that
correctly.

972
01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:02,480
» Yes.
>> So that way when people are looking up

973
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:04,239
from the street, they'll see the
planting.

974
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:09,280
» Yes.
>> Good.

975
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:15,159
» Yeah. Here's the deck area. And here
these plantings are some type of

976
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:15,159
rosemary,

977
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:22,600
» but they're they're at ground level.
They're ground. They're two feet.

978
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,600
» Yeah. Okay.

979
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:27,120
» Okay.
>> Yeah. You can't I don't think we they're

980
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:29,679
allowed to plant rosemary. They're
stringing, which is a different Yeah,

981
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:35,314
that's fine.
>> Okay.

982
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:35,314
» Yeah. Catch on fire. [laughter]

983
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:48,880
» And are are these the kind of oak that
grow to be 30 to 50 feet high?

984
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:51,760
I'm sorry. Are the Are these the kind of
oak tree that grow to be 30 to 50 feet

985
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:57,760
high?
>> No, that's not the plan. No, just I I

986
01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:04,880
think they're slow growing. I I I talked
to uh talked to landscape uh uh owner

987
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:08,560
landscape company. I think the 30-inch
box trees are maybe 12 feet high when

988
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:12,960
you plant them, and they're pretty slow
growing. They are co-live oak so I think

989
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:16,320
they have the potential but
>> right but it'll it would take longer

990
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:19,854
than for me to be here on
>> dead.

991
01:26:17,834 --> 01:26:19,854
[laughter]

992
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:28,320
» Okay. Does everyone feel like they got a
good look at that?

993
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:32,639
» Just in all seriousness, we would once
we get that final landscape plan, we

994
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:36,679
would put a max height on them. Yep.
>> Okay. Okay.

995
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:43,280
Thank you.
>> Thank you for that. Um I don't think I

996
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:47,760
asked were there anybody was there
anybody on Zoom that wanted to hands

997
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:51,199
raised say anything here?
>> No hands raised.

998
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:55,280
» Okay.
Um any do you have anything further to

999
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:58,639
add to your presentation?
>> No sir. Thank you so much for your time.

1000
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:02,080
» Thank you.
>> I'll now close the public hearing and

1001
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:05,440
bring this
>> people in the audience.

1002
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:08,840
» Oh. Oh, I didn't
>> come on up.

1003
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:16,719
» You brushed so quickly past in anybody
in the audience, so I didn't have time

1004
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:22,000
to state that.
>> I I apologize. I want to put a face to

1005
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:25,520
the letter [clears throat] A heart and I
wrote it be

1006
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:31,120
» because I was really involved in the
first um

1007
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:34,320
» permit and all that with with this
wonderful house and I want to say I

1008
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:40,400
really think you're doing something
smart. It looks like really thoughtful

1009
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:46,000
stuff. But your comment that you would
uh definitely think about taking away

1010
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:50,960
these lightsabers
warms my heart and I'm really grateful

1011
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:56,719
and I just want that to go on the record
that I just don't want to complain but I

1012
01:27:53,440 --> 01:28:02,159
also want to congratulate and thank you.
>> Thank you.

1013
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:05,159
» Thank you. Nana Hart 206 Eucalyptus
Road.

1014
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:14,000
» Okay, I'm going to bring this um back to
the commission for discussion. Um

1015
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:20,000
Missola, could you start us off, please?
>> Sure. Um I want to thank the applicant

1016
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:23,600
for uh um for the changes in the
landscaping. I think it'll be a nice

1017
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:28,080
addition. Um, yeah, I would like the
staff and the commission chair to review

1018
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:31,840
the plans finally, but I I think it
it'll be a nice addition. I also

1019
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:36,320
appreciate the reduction in the lights.
That was sort of my main concern about

1020
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:41,360
the project was whether or not uh there
was too much lighting. Um, otherwise, I

1021
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:44,239
do think the uh the the small additions
are compatible with the existing

1022
01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:48,800
structure and don't impact the
neighborhood and the um the obviously

1023
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:53,360
the canopy is quite attractive and a
nice addition as well. Thank you.

1024
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,719
Uh Jenna,

1025
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:07,360
» um I al I also I also appreciate the
project and also your willingness to uh

1026
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:12,239
to add some softening with with
landscaping and reduction of lighting,

1027
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:17,520
both existing lighting and uh and and
the and the proposed lighting. Um, and I

1028
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:25,840
think that with
um with having chair Sidell be able to

1029
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:30,960
approve um the new lighting to replace
the existing lighting and also the final

1030
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:34,239
landscaping plan. I think this I think I
can I can support this project. Thank

1031
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:42,719
you.
>> Thank you, Marca.

1032
01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:48,880
Um I I really can understand why um the
applicant would like this um awning

1033
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:53,760
because they face um southwest and they
get which I also do which I like but you

1034
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:58,480
get a lot of sun and there are no um
overhangs on this house. So I think that

1035
01:29:55,679 --> 01:30:05,679
will really help him um especially today
I'm sure you you felt it. Um, so I can

1036
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:13,520
make the findings for design review uh
for this uh project. But with the um

1037
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:19,040
condition of the additional landscape
below the house, um when when I walk by

1038
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:25,040
Belvadier Avenue and look up, even now
the deck seems to me very close even

1039
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:30,320
though it it's I guess 17 ft. And so I
think having additional trees and

1040
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:34,560
landscape there will screen the street
and also screen the house, give some

1041
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:41,440
screening to the new addition which is
on the lower level which I think will

1042
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:48,960
really help. Um and also I think we need
to have a condition of reducing the um

1043
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:54,320
lights from six to three. And if you are
willing, it would be great to take out

1044
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:58,320
the the tall the linear lights that are
on the deck and replace those if that

1045
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:03,600
can be part of the condition. That would
be great. Thank you. Um so I can make um

1046
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:09,968
the design review findings and I think
it's a great um project and um hopefully

1047
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:14,239
it'll keep you a little cooler.
[clears throat]

1048
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:18,400
» Thank you. If I may just chair for the
record, I do want to I just do want to

1049
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:22,960
document for the record that the
applicant did say yes in the audience

1050
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:28,159
and when Commissioner Laskkey read out
the condition regarding the linear

1051
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:33,600
lighting. Thank you.
So, um, I just want to start by saying,

1052
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:36,960
you know, kind of one of the interesting
things about being in this position on

1053
01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:41,760
the planning commission is getting
around and seeing all these interesting

1054
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:47,280
homes and properties in in Belvadier.
And, um, I actually think you have a

1055
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:52,080
really attractive home. Um, I think that
the additions you're planning on making

1056
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:56,080
are very consistent um, with the
character of the home. I think it'll be

1057
01:31:54,159 --> 01:32:02,159
attractive. um like my fellow
commissioners, I'll be able to make the

1058
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:10,000
design findings and um I appreciate the
additional landscape and lighting

1059
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:16,000
changes that you're offering. Um
so um any further discussion with within

1060
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:22,000
the commission or I was wondering if
Commissioner Laskkey would like to make

1061
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:28,199
the motion given that um you have some
additions and you've been involved in

1062
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:28,199
the evolution of the design.

1063
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:39,760
I move to adopt the resolution granting
design review for two additions totaling

1064
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:45,760
289 square ft and a 532 square ft canopy
on the existing upper deck at 34

1065
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:52,880
eucalyptus with the two conditions of
reducing the lighting from 6 to three um

1066
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:59,440
to replace the existing lights on the
deck um and also to add the there are

1067
01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:08,840
three conditions, sorry, to add the
landscaping below the um deck under the

1068
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:08,840
new addition with um oak trees.

1069
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:22,880
» Can I make a comment? um just that um
uh I don't know um I wonder if it's

1070
01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:29,520
better to not be too prescriptive about
the landscape um proposal uh because it

1071
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:32,159
still needs to be reviewed by staff and
um

1072
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:37,840
» right so we could say that the that the
replacement lighting um and the final

1073
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:44,480
landscape plan
is it best to have it to have it

1074
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:44,480
approved by by Chair Sidell or by staff

1075
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:53,440
both.
>> All right. Yeah, both.

1076
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:58,239
So, I guess that would be conditions two
and three, both the replacement lights

1077
01:33:55,679 --> 01:34:05,639
and the final landscaping plan to be
reviewed by staff and approved by both

1078
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:05,639
staff and chair Sidel.

1079
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:15,760
» Prior to issuance of building permit.
prior to issuing building permit.

1080
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:19,679
» Thank you, Rebecca.
And I'll second that motion.

1081
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:25,560
» Okay.
Then please vote. I

1082
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,560
» I

1083
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:34,360
» Yeah.
>> Take care.

1084
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:48,560
We will now move on to review item
number four which is design review

1085
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:56,000
demolition and floor area exception at
135 Belvadier Avenue.

1086
01:34:53,120 --> 01:35:00,080
Staff report please.
>> Thank you again chairle and members of

1087
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:05,120
the planning commission for your
consideration. Here is an application

1088
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:09,280
for design review, demolition, exception
of total floor area, and revocable

1089
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:13,880
license to construct a new single family
home at 135 Belvadier Avenue.

1090
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:23,280
The project site is on a steeply sloped
52,000t lot. The site received a lot

1091
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:27,280
merger lot merger approval in 2019,
which previously consisted of three

1092
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:32,000
parcels. The site is developed with an
existing dilapidated residence and

1093
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:35,840
wooden staircase. The existing structure
is centrally located on the lot and

1094
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:38,840
surrounded by mature unmaintained
vegetation.

1095
01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:49,520
The applicant proposes to demolish the
existing 3,764

1096
01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:56,480
ft residence and construct a new 11,223
ft residence and 495 ft junior accessory

1097
01:35:53,679 --> 01:35:59,199
dwelling unit.
The residence will be located on the

1098
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:03,920
upper third of the site where the
existing home currently sits. The home

1099
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:10,000
would be developed in two floors
including a 4,761

1100
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:17,719
ft f first story, 4,912
ft second story and 1,250

1101
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,719
ft attached garage

1102
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:26,520
16t and 5 in from the rear property
line. The project proposes a 300 foot

1103
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:26,520
boat house.

1104
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:34,560
The proposed residence will be set back
14 ft from the right sideyard, 32 feet

1105
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:37,760
from the left sideyard, and have a zero
front yard setback [clears throat] for

1106
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:42,239
the garage.
For transparency, the applicant in is

1107
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:47,360
including plans to construct a detached
ADU on site. The ADU would be reviewed

1108
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:51,239
under a separate permit and would not be
subject to design review.

1109
01:36:51,920 --> 01:37:01,040
The front of the home would include a 7
foot 10-in wide by 11t 8 inch tall glass

1110
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:06,080
entry door between two fixed windows.
Because Belvier Avenue would be 20 ft

1111
01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:12,800
below above the second story's finished
floor, the 17t 8 inch tall roof and 12t

1112
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:16,159
8 inch tall garage would be below street
level.

1113
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:19,600
Floor
to ceiling, exterior windows and doors

1114
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:24,400
are proposed on the right and left side
of the house.

1115
01:37:22,719 --> 01:37:29,400
Measured from existing grade, the
residence is proposed to be 32 ft tall

1116
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:35,920
and viewed from the rear. The project
proposes a series of Florida glass floor

1117
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,920
to ceiling glass windows and glass
guardrails.

1118
01:37:40,159 --> 01:37:45,440
The project proposes a contemporary
design with sharp vertical and

1119
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:50,159
horizontal elements, glass guard rails
and windows and canolver roofs. The

1120
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:55,440
color palette consists of soft and muted
wooden earth tones including board form

1121
01:37:52,320 --> 01:38:00,480
concrete siding in a warm white color, a
tar and multicolored gravel flat roof,

1122
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:06,800
western red cedar wood siding, and
aluminum um aluminum windows and doors

1123
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:10,320
trims in a dark bronze or black finish.
The proposed materials add architectural

1124
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:13,639
variety and help to break up the
building's massing.

1125
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:22,080
Access to the residence will be via a
new 16t 8 inch wide paved driveway and

1126
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:26,239
15t wide 6ft tall steel automo
automobile gate on the left side of the

1127
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:29,639
property which would lead to a new autoc
court and garage.

1128
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:36,800
The entry gate would be made of dark
metal horizontal rails and bordered by a

1129
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:40,040
6-ft tall concrete freestanding wall on
both ends.

1130
01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:47,840
New fencing is proposed, including a 6ft
tall vertical bar metal fence along the

1131
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:51,760
front property line, a 6ft tall wood
fence along both side property lines,

1132
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:56,360
and a galvanized steel fence that would
be painted black along the rear yard.

1133
01:38:56,639 --> 01:39:04,880
Additional improvements would include a
new 16 ftx 48 foot inground swimming

1134
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:10,719
pool and spa on the rear patio
left of the pool. The project would

1135
01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:15,600
include a 12tx 24 ft trellis structure
standing 10' 4 in tall that would

1136
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:19,719
accommodate outdoor seating, a stone
countertop, and a barbecue.

1137
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:25,840
Because the home is proposed to be
stepped back and into the hillside, it

1138
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:32,320
would reduce the structures perceived
mass and bulk. Doing so, however, would

1139
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:37,600
result in extensive grading concentrated
extensive concentrated grading at the

1140
01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:41,600
upper portions of the property. Up to 20
vertical feet of soil will be excavated

1141
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:46,960
below Belvier Avenue to construct the
proposed autocore and up to 13 vertical

1142
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:52,719
feet of soil excavated to construct the
residenc's first story. The project

1143
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:58,639
estimates 2500 cubic yards of excavation
and 1,700 cubic yards of fill. While the

1144
01:39:55,760 --> 01:40:01,440
proposed grade changes are significant,
constructing the home at the upper

1145
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:05,109
portion of the lot will preserve much of
the site's natural grade and vegetation

1146
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:07,129
below.
[clears throat]

1147
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:14,639
The project proposes a series of path
lights, wall lights, ingground lights,

1148
01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:19,040
handrail lights, and wall sconces. 62
wall lights are proposed around the

1149
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:23,280
driveway and stairs and 36 recess down
lights and wall sconces are proposed

1150
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:28,000
throughout the residence. Staff suggests
the fixture quantities are modest given

1151
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:32,639
the size of the home, but recommends the
micronite star down light by BK Lighting

1152
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:36,040
be replaced with a fixed downward-f
facing option.

1153
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:45,920
The project proposes removing 54 trees
including multiple 30 to 60 foot tall

1154
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:51,199
Monterey pines, 50 15 to 30 foot tall
coastal live oaks and one 67 foot tall

1155
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:54,719
cyprress as well as one 70 foot tall
eucalyptus. The trees are generally

1156
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:58,119
within the footprint of the proposed
home and heartscape.

1157
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:06,000
New landscaping would include a variety
of shrubs and perennials within the

1158
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:10,320
front, side, and rear yards of the home
uh to screen the proposed front yard

1159
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:15,840
fencing, retaining walls and stairs. The
project would include planting eight

1160
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:21,679
southern live oaks in 36-in boxes, which
are listed to grow to 20 ft tall.

1161
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:28,719
Eight Chinese elm are also proposed in
36-in boxes along the southern end of

1162
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,719
the right side property line.

1163
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:36,560
The applicant requests an exception of
total floor area uh approval for the

1164
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:42,800
11,223
square ft where 4850 ft are permitted.

1165
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:46,239
In order to grant the exception, the
planning commission must be able to make

1166
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:50,239
each of the following findings. These
include that primary views will not be

1167
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:54,239
significantly impaired, that there are
unusual characteristics applicable to

1168
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:57,920
the parcel which minimize the impact of
the greater floor area, that the

1169
01:41:56,159 --> 01:42:01,440
structure is appropriate in mass bulk
and character of the neighborhood, and

1170
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:07,040
that the additional square footage will
not substantially reduce privacy on

1171
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:10,880
adjoining properties.
Here staff recommends the findings can

1172
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:14,880
be made.
Primary views from adjacent properties

1173
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:19,280
will not be significantly impaired as
the subject property is above the

1174
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:23,840
adjacent 125 Belvadier and two Cliff
Road.

1175
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:26,639
Views from Belvadier Avenue and uphill
neighbors will not be impaired as a

1176
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:32,639
residence is set below the street line
and tucked into the hillside.

1177
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:36,320
[snorts] The site is unusual in that it
was historically three separate parcels

1178
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:40,639
until 2019.
The larger lot size and steep steeply

1179
01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:46,520
sloped nature of the site minimize the
buildable area and impact to the

1180
01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:46,520
additional floor area.

1181
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:54,000
The project is appropriate in mass bulk
and character for the parcel and in the

1182
01:42:51,679 --> 01:42:59,360
neighborhood and meets all design review
criteria. The 23 foot 6 inch average

1183
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:04,239
building height helps decrease the the
appearance of mass and bulk on the site

1184
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:09,600
and the 32- foot tall max height is
consistent with adjacent properties.

1185
01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:14,719
With respect to size, the proposal is
not unusual in the neighborhood. In

1186
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:20,000
2016, Cliff Road was approved for a
12,000 foot residence. In 2009, 425

1187
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:27,119
Belvadier received the approval to
construct a 15,555T

1188
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:32,000
residence and 337 Belvadier, 255 Golden
Gate Avenue, and 345 Golden Gate Avenue

1189
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:39,159
are examples on the western side of
Belvadier Island, uh, where the floor

1190
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:39,159
area permitted is exceeded.

1191
01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:46,400
Finally, the project does not
substantially reduce privacy of

1192
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:51,840
adjoining properties as the proposed
windows are not within neighboring sight

1193
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:56,520
lines and landscaping will screen uh
screening will provide an additional

1194
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,520
buffer.

1195
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:05,520
The applicant requests a revocable
license for a wood fence, gates,

1196
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:11,440
driveway, parking, and landscaping all
within the Belvier Avenue rightway.

1197
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:16,159
On the right side of Belvadier Avenue,
uh, a 6- foot tall wood fence and access

1198
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:21,520
gate are proposed. The fence would
encroach 7 feet 9 in onto city property

1199
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:26,679
and would be set 1 ft below the edge of
pavement and would appear 5t tall at

1200
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:26,679
street level.

1201
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:34,719
Also within the right ofway, the
applicant proposes to plant coffee berry

1202
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:39,280
dwarf mat rush, Fortnite lily, and
rasleberry French flour.

1203
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:44,119
Uh these shrubs and perennials are
listed to grow no taller than 4 feet in

1204
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:44,119
height.

1205
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:51,600
Additionally, the applicant would widen
Belvier Avenue from 17 ft to 24 ft 9 in

1206
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:56,639
by relocating the existing street
parking 7 ft closer to the front

1207
01:44:54,080 --> 01:45:01,040
property line. Staff recommends that
these rightway improvements provide a

1208
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:04,880
public benefit. Widening the roadway
serves pedestrians and vehicles on a

1209
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:09,280
currently narrow road. The parking
spaces are entirely public and serve as

1210
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:13,040
a public benefit. Landscaping will
enhance the aesthetic quality of the

1211
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:17,119
streetscape and the fence will serve as
a safety barrier and delineate the

1212
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:20,119
roadway from the hillside for oncoming
vehicles.

1213
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:24,600
The project is exempt from SQA

1214
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:30,480
and staff recommends the findings for
design review, demolition, exceptional

1215
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:34,719
floor area and revoke license can be
made. recommend adopting the resolutions

1216
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:41,000
before you tonight. Thank you. And we
are happy to answer any questions.

1217
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:41,000
» Thank you, Sammy.

1218
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:52,880
» I had a couple questions. Um, does this
property have an existing revocable

1219
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:57,920
license now? And what is that for?
>> It it does I could look in the records

1220
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:02,400
um to the year, but it is for the
frontage improvements and that was

1221
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:06,320
recorded. It includes
I should I don't want to speak out of

1222
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:11,119
turn. I believe it includes a trash
enclosure, but I'll double check.

1223
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:15,920
» It includes the trash enclosure. So,
they don't need another revocable

1224
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:19,840
license for the trash enclosure that it
already has one.

1225
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:22,800
» It It has one. This one would be a a new
revoke license that includes

1226
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:29,280
landscaping. So, this would be a brand
new revoke license taken to to uh the

1227
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:32,000
council. Is it replacing the old one or
it's an additional one?

1228
01:46:30,639 --> 01:46:36,960
» It would replace the current.
>> Oh, so it's replacing Okay.

1229
01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:40,480
» Yeah, because we because we reviewed the
fence here

1230
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:42,560
not terribly long ago.
>> That's right.

1231
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:49,040
» Right.
>> Um, one other question. Um, there is an

1232
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:53,920
additional five parking places near the
property. Um, but is the parking there's

1233
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:59,040
a parking place across the street. Is
that coming out?

1234
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:02,000
That's against the hillside.
>> I don't believe it's coming out, but

1235
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:05,600
» So, it's staying.
>> Yes.

1236
01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:09,840
» Okay. So, then and there two places near
the property. So, that means

1237
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:15,520
um
five, six. Okay. I was trying to see how

1238
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:20,560
many new new parking places they would
be. Um

1239
01:47:18,724 --> 01:47:23,560
[clears throat] Okay, those are my
questions.

1240
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:33,960
Okay, thank you.
>> Do any other commissioners have any

1241
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,960
questions?

1242
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:41,040
» Um, well, I well, I recognize that this
is this is a piece of property that

1243
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:46,960
hasn't been touched other than by
coyotes in in decades. Um, I do

1244
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:52,239
appreciate that there's a lot of big old
trees that are come that are coming out

1245
01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:59,199
um especially cypress trees uh which are
which are native. Um, are there any of

1246
01:47:55,520 --> 01:48:04,480
the the big trees that are able to be to
be saved? I mean, that are not under

1247
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:08,719
where the the building is currently
going to be.

1248
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:12,480
» I think that's a better question suited
for the landscape. Okay.

1249
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:18,760
» Yeah. Thank you.
>> Yeah. Okay. Yep. Thank you.

1250
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:25,719
» Sold. Did you have any questions? Okay.
Would

1251
01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:39,199
the applicant like to make a
presentation

1252
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:44,280
» any with your permission? I'm going to
stand up as well, but it's just for my

1253
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:44,280
back. Thank you.

1254
01:49:11,385 --> 01:49:13,405
» [clears throat]

1255
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:23,280
» Yeah, my name's uh David Katsub and I'm
the architect for the project. We also

1256
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:26,080
have John Merton here at Studio Green
and he can, you know, get into the

1257
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:29,600
landscaping and all those tree
questions. So, I just wanted to point

1258
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:33,440
out, you probably already know, but I
just wanted to record to show that this

1259
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:38,880
is the exact design that was approved in
June of 2017.

1260
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:45,280
So, we have not made other than the
elevator, the hillside lift, we have not

1261
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:50,080
made any changes um to that approval.
So, Sammy made a great presentation. and

1262
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:54,560
he stole all of my thunder. But this is
the drone shot we took back then. And

1263
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:59,119
the idea was is so we're going to
position the house at, you know, where

1264
01:49:56,639 --> 01:50:03,520
the existing one is. And it is sort of
upper mid from the midpoint of the lot

1265
01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:08,880
just above the midpoint. And what it
does is it orients the house in the

1266
01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:15,119
negative space of 125 Belvadier and a
little bit of two cliff road.

1267
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:20,400
And so in elevation, what's important to
this design is the fact that we keep it

1268
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:26,560
as a twostory residence versus maybe a
three or even a fourstory. Um, and so

1269
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:31,040
the the aspect ratio will be horizontal,
which I think is consistent um with the

1270
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:38,719
neighborhood and also appropriate for
this hillside. Next, so here's the site

1271
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:42,960
plan. Um, we picked the access point and
I think others that have worked on this

1272
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:47,040
property have where Belvadier Avenue is
the lowest. And what we're trying to do

1273
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:51,440
is we're trying to get down um as soon
as we possibly can to get on grade with

1274
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:57,040
the main level for this two-story
design. And so once we arrive at the

1275
01:50:54,000 --> 01:51:00,960
motor court, we basically establish um
the second floor, which is the main

1276
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:08,080
floor. And there aren't any level
changes um in that within that floor.

1277
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:12,480
So this is a graphic I did to try to
explain

1278
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:17,920
um in my mind it's it's nothing in the
ordinance or code but what I did is I

1279
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:24,159
took a contour that was 7 feet above the
lowest floor. So, I took contour 104,

1280
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:31,280
which is the lowest floor is 97. And
that yellow area is the amount of floor

1281
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:38,000
area that's cut into the hillside, which
reduces greatly, I think, the um effect

1282
01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:43,679
of the the 11,000 foot house. And that
yellow area totals out to be about 3,100

1283
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:47,760
square feet.
The other thing that we're doing because

1284
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:52,560
you know the roof is below Belvadier
Avenue and they are flat, we are

1285
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:58,760
incorporating um quite an extensive
green roof system. So those green

1286
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:58,760
pocheted areas indicate that.

1287
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:04,000
And then this is the upper level, the
main level. So just you know showing the

1288
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:08,560
organization of the house down the
center spine you peel off to the west or

1289
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:13,520
you peel off to the east to the private
bedroom or go downstairs which is the

1290
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:18,960
next slide.
And in the downstairs we you can see

1291
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:24,639
where the the part that's really up into
the hill towards Belvar Avenue is it's

1292
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:30,400
rendered out as a home theaters, a gym
and some utility. And then on the west

1293
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:35,520
side it's um utility, laundry room and
mechanical. And the orange is shaded

1294
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:41,440
area is the junior ADU and the purple is
the detached ADU.

1295
01:52:39,119 --> 01:52:46,159
And this is the section that Sammy
showed which um indicates how it is cut

1296
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:50,239
into the hill to create this two-story
design. I threw in a couple of oak trees

1297
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:54,239
after I talked to Marsha on the bank.
I'll have John talk about that.

1298
01:52:53,432 --> 01:52:58,000
» [laughter]
>> and and this and so what we think we're

1299
01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:01,760
doing here is we're opening up Belvadier
Avenue. I mean it's already opened up

1300
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:05,280
after we put in that fence which is a
temporary fence but it indicates the

1301
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:10,000
height of what our permanent fence will
be and it really opens the view up and

1302
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:15,679
removing the existing garage is I think
had a major impact for the better. So,

1303
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:19,760
in the u you know, this is the main
motor court. You get down and and we're

1304
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:24,080
framing the Golden Gate Bridge, and I
got a little water feature that I'm

1305
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:28,560
going to try to match the bay color. And
the great room, if you will, is a bridge

1306
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:32,400
between the water feature and and the
bay.

1307
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:37,760
And I think this view is a good
indicator of the articulation of the

1308
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:43,199
walls both um in horizontal and vertical
planes and also the composition of the

1309
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:50,040
materials and the juxosition of the
softer warmer wood against the darker

1310
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:50,040
steel and the natural concrete.

1311
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:57,840
And this shows the ADU which I guess
isn't under your purview today but I

1312
01:53:54,239 --> 01:54:02,800
just thought it was a cool rendering.
And this finally at the bottom, we are

1313
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:07,360
able to get some uh level outdoor space,
which I think is extremely valuable um

1314
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:14,000
on the island, especially on a site that
slopes this steeply.

1315
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:19,599
And this is the last view. Um and so the
I hope that this presentation tells the

1316
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:23,520
story of how we started and how we ended
up here. And if we have some more time,

1317
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:28,520
I think John's ready to talk about the
landscape.

1318
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:28,520
just

1319
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:38,800
» um David, the drive where the driveway
is, um when you're coming from the south

1320
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:41,840
on Belvadier Avenue, you are able to
turn right and go in without coming from

1321
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:46,400
the other direction.
>> Correct.

1322
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:53,920
» Okay. And one more question. Um on the
um cubic yards, it's about Well, the

1323
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:59,280
demolition is about 50 cubic yards. And
does that mean when you say you have the

1324
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:02,320
truck is 10 cubic yards per truck?
>> Yeah, those small trucks. So

1325
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:05,520
» that's a small truck.
>> Yeah, I think that's the maximum allowed

1326
01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:12,480
by the ordinance. I'm not sure.
>> So that would be um five trips for that.

1327
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:16,960
But then on the other cubic yards, it's
about 775

1328
01:55:14,639 --> 01:55:22,880
is the difference. Are you able to use
any of that more? Um

1329
01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:26,560
that's a lot of truck. Yeah, I mean
obviously we can look into it further

1330
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:32,159
and detail it. Those figures came from
the civil engineering that was done nine

1331
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:35,920
years ago. Um it's something that we we
definitely want to use as much as

1332
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:40,239
possible on site
>> because I know you have to you have to

1333
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:43,199
fill up the road to make it level two.
Yeah, there may be

1334
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:47,840
» um you know we also were trying to
decrease the amount of

1335
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:51,280
» truckloads on the roads and traffic etc.
I think one of the this is kind of

1336
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:55,679
almost the last lot or at least in my
opinion and you're on Belair Avenue and

1337
01:55:54,239 --> 01:55:59,760
you know then you start to get into it
gets tighter and you get around the

1338
01:55:57,199 --> 01:56:03,920
point. This is before that. So that the
one benefit I realize it's a lot of

1339
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:09,440
trucks is we're closer to um you know
Britain and way down.

1340
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:15,760
» Yes. Five corners. Yes. Um and did you
bring your did you bring color samples

1341
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:19,280
of the concrete and the wood? I I don't
have actual physical samples here today.

1342
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:23,080
It's more of the photographic.
>> All right. Thank you.

1343
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:31,599
» Uh good evening. I'm John Martin with
Studio Green Landscape Architects and

1344
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:36,480
excited to really work on this project.
I I never thought it was going to come

1345
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:40,719
back and you know other house got
approved and now this one's back and

1346
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:47,440
it's fantastic because I really um was
excited about it way back when. Uh we

1347
01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:52,320
can go to the next slide which is a site
plan.

1348
01:56:48,960 --> 01:57:00,719
Uh wait I guess that's not how about the
next slide. We can go back to this.

1349
01:56:56,080 --> 01:57:06,880
Um so this is a plan view site plan. Um
you know we we because the house sits

1350
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:12,080
down and um we really can open up the
the front from the street. Um we we feel

1351
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:16,719
like there's a huge advantage here and a
great benefit for the community. Uh you

1352
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:20,639
know his be previously it was a fence
right along the the whole street and you

1353
01:57:19,119 --> 01:57:26,080
really didn't have a view and now it
really is opened up. The majority of the

1354
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:34,480
trees in the center portion of the
property are Monterey pines. I believe

1355
01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:38,239
there's one cyprress um which the report
recommended removal because of its

1356
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:44,400
condition but also it's a fire hazard.
But in any case uh there and three four

1357
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:48,480
of the current large Monterey pines that
were in the center of the property have

1358
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:53,599
actually collapsed and fallen down since
we did this project

1359
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:57,199
um some years ago. Uh and I think one
even went through the roof of the

1360
01:57:55,119 --> 01:58:02,159
current house. Um and you can you can
see them. and they're sitting on the

1361
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:07,920
ground. Uh the uh as David was saying,
how the house is developed in this uh

1362
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:15,360
layering down into the there is sort of
a flatter area um 23 feet below the

1363
01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:22,960
street and that's the opportunity spot
to capture some flat space and and also

1364
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:27,599
for the landscape exterior uses to be
associated with the house in a really

1365
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:32,560
tight and compressed way. So, we really
when we do utilize some open space,

1366
01:58:30,639 --> 01:58:37,920
we're we're maximizing the benefit of
that um and not stretching out further

1367
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:43,560
than we have to. So, but we really are
trying to also provide for some exterior

1368
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,560
uses.

1369
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:51,119
As you can see in the slides, I think
the the renderings represent the color

1370
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:56,719
and the feel very well being that it's a
warm tones. Um, you know, we're thinking

1371
01:58:53,679 --> 01:59:04,880
of a warm concrete like the buff tones
and and and the stone being in in a warm

1372
01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:11,679
gray, very neutral, um, contemporary
uh, simple compositions. So, it's not

1373
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:17,199
complex patterning, more gridlike, very
restrained, um, almost like museum

1374
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:23,760
quality kind of of sense. Also very high
quality materials. So, it's it's not um

1375
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:27,679
there's no compromise in finishes and
glass rails and stainless steel and and

1376
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:34,159
other other finishes that will hold up
in this setting.

1377
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:37,840
the lighting for the exterior
has been commented on. Um, and

1378
01:59:36,917 --> 01:59:41,520
[clears throat] you know, we were
concerned about I mean, one of the

1379
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:44,960
things I hear about on every project we
ever do is like there wasn't enough

1380
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:49,920
light, you know, so you know, sometimes
we we go a little heavy and uh there's

1381
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:53,520
areas that we can work on and and and
I'll get back to that in a minute, but

1382
01:59:51,599 --> 01:59:58,080
you know, we're looking primarily
downwardly oriented for safety, for

1383
01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:02,800
navigation.
um there's no up lights, there's no

1384
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:10,320
drama moments, but still even within
that there there's room for maneuvering

1385
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:16,560
I think. Um as far as the plant pallet
goes, we were really focusing on

1386
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:22,239
evergreen um screening for the
neighbors. Uh so having the landscape

1387
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:27,040
that has some presence uh really
mitigating a lot of the any walls or any

1388
02:00:25,599 --> 02:00:31,360
architectural features that you might
see from offsite which there isn't much

1389
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:37,199
because of the way it's positioned. It's
positioned really well. Um concern for

1390
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:43,679
fire resistance, drought tolerance, and
also size appropriateness. We we haven't

1391
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:47,679
planted say things that are going to get
um you know 75 feet tall next to you

1392
02:00:46,159 --> 02:00:52,000
know under the eve of the house that
kind of thing. I mean it's it's kind of

1393
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:57,520
scale appropriate
and we can jump back to the previous

1394
02:00:53,920 --> 02:01:06,159
slide. Um I did have a conversation with
chairman uh or the commissioner lassi

1395
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:11,840
about the various things. Uh so what
what this slide represents is some of

1396
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:16,239
the areas that we've already now given
some thought to in terms of modifying

1397
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:22,400
this project.
So for example in the driveway we've

1398
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:28,080
taken out every other wall light. Um in
the connection from the main house down

1399
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:33,599
to the ADU we've taken out every other
uh in wall light. Uh in the service

1400
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:37,679
area, we've taken out the uh five of the
in wall lights on that retaining wall.

1401
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:42,080
We did add two pathway lights back
because they're just more general light,

1402
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:45,440
less focused on the staircase because
those tend to be have a small pool of

1403
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:50,480
light. The other one has a little
broader.

1404
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:54,719
We have uh removed the in handrail light
system that was incorporated into the

1405
02:01:52,560 --> 02:02:00,080
entire staircase going down to the dock
below which obviously from the water

1406
02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:05,360
looking up you had the chance of seeing
kind of like a you know kind of a

1407
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:10,400
disco runway kind of thing going on. So
we agree with that and and uh so that's

1408
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:14,480
gone and and we we but we do want to
have enough light that you could at

1409
02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:20,239
least navigate down without a headlamp
or flashlight necessarily.

1410
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:28,639
So, we've we're proposing um this uh the
sea uh it's a brand from Hawaii anyway.

1411
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:33,440
It's very rugged coastal uh product that
um it's a 2-in diameter base and and

1412
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:38,880
it's a downward oriented light. So, it's
very small that we can be mounted on the

1413
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:44,000
post. So, it's very very inconspicuous
and it's set on the C bay side. So, the

1414
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:50,880
post itself would mask the light source
from below. So it would be pretty uh uh

1415
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:53,199
nearly invisible we think. Um
>> is that what the is that what the blue

1416
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:56,080
dots
>> correct are? Okay.

1417
02:02:54,159 --> 02:03:00,560
» Correct. So we went to the top towards
the top and towards the bottom of each

1418
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:05,440
landing so that and not in the midspan
so that you could at least find the

1419
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:12,639
first and last step. Then uh then we've
added uh five oak trees on the downhill

1420
02:03:09,199 --> 02:03:17,440
slope and we have inserted a tree into
the turf area. um next to they're kind

1421
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:26,159
of separating where the main public
parts of the house are to a guest bed

1422
02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:33,920
bedroom courtyard. Um and let's see and
then further uh we did explore moving

1423
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:38,080
the trash enclosure which uh uh you know
the the the current house or the the

1424
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:42,480
previous house had had it up in the
street but the by moving it onto the

1425
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:47,199
property it's quite steep in that
location. Uh it turned out in order for

1426
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:52,560
you to take a can and roll it out to the
street, uh that platform would be 10 ft

1427
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:57,920
above the ground. And so we it would be
it would force us to build a slight a

1428
02:03:54,880 --> 02:04:02,400
very elevated structure because then
from the property line to the street,

1429
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:08,159
the you're you're you're getting to be
at 8 to 10 feet away from the ground in

1430
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:13,040
order for that to be a flat transition.
So, it was a lot of building uh for

1431
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:16,800
something that historically has already
had a use.

1432
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:21,040
Um I think that's that's all I have to
say for a moment. Thank you. Since we're

1433
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:25,840
sort of asking questions during your
presentation, while you're there, um I

1434
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:32,480
just wanted to
verify or clarify. I think I recall that

1435
02:04:28,719 --> 02:04:38,239
there was screen planting sort of
continuous along that wall beneath the

1436
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:42,239
pool. Um and that like these trees
aren't substituting for that. They're an

1437
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,679
in addition. Is that a tree?
>> In addition to that.

1438
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:48,719
» Yeah.
>> Uh yeah, this plan

1439
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:56,960
we did modify it from the previous
submitt to include uh taller shrubs at

1440
02:04:52,400 --> 02:05:01,679
the base of that wall and also uh uh
further extending in that in the

1441
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:08,639
direction to the east in order to give
more vegetation. And I and I believe we

1442
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:14,560
incorporated the loris novelis uh shrub
the in that area which is a really

1443
02:05:11,119 --> 02:05:21,560
evergreen um takes a lot of sun tough
rugged plant.

1444
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:21,560
» Great. Thank you.

1445
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:29,440
» I have some questions.
>> Thank you for Thank you for doing that.

1446
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:33,679
I think it'll make a big difference in
the property. I don't really want to go

1447
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:39,280
over every detail because I know on the
lighting because I know it can be gone

1448
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:45,280
over with the chairman and planning, but
um thank you for decreasing those, but

1449
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:50,639
there also is um I think an excess
amount of lights on the stairs coming

1450
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:54,560
down below the driveway and over the
barbecue. And so there are a lot of

1451
02:05:52,639 --> 02:05:59,280
different places that the lights I think
can be, but I don't want to go over

1452
02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:04,800
every one. I think it can be um gone
over um to to decrease that and it's a

1453
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:09,360
big help that you put the laurel where
you put the laurel trees that also will

1454
02:06:06,639 --> 02:06:13,280
give a great screening and thank you for
the trees and the hillside that'll make

1455
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:18,960
you know a huge difference too. I did
want to ask you one um the green roofs

1456
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:23,040
are going to really make the whole
project fit into the hillside but I

1457
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:27,840
didn't know what experience you've had
with them. We've had some in Belvadier

1458
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:32,400
actually farther on Belvadier Avenue
where there have been problems where

1459
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:36,480
they leaked and they actually ended up
taking them out. I didn't know what your

1460
02:06:34,239 --> 02:06:45,599
experience with them has been.
>> Well, I've installed a design

1461
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:52,880
maybe a dozen or something. Um we did a
project in Ross uh with David and um

1462
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:58,320
that had I don't know maybe uh thousand
square feet or maybe 1,200 square feet

1463
02:06:54,880 --> 02:07:05,040
of of roof and that was primarily uh
succulents. uh what we I have learned

1464
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:09,280
from and observed from other projects
that used

1465
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:13,760
grasses that they didn't come back and
perform well at all and the ground dries

1466
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:17,679
out very very quickly in those
especially here with like you'll have

1467
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:23,520
this constant breeze and southern
facing. So uh what we don't want to have

1468
02:07:20,639 --> 02:07:28,239
is plants that um once they dry out they
turn brown and or go dormant or

1469
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:33,840
whatever. So, this would be suitable for
more of a coastal succulent kind of

1470
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:41,760
garden. Uh, and in that we've had good
success. In fact, um, Halblivus' house,

1471
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:45,840
we did a green roof off his
bathroom terrace and that was very

1472
02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:52,719
successful.
>> Oh, good. And next to the ADU is a is a

1473
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:54,639
Chinese elm. Correct.
>> Correct.

1474
02:07:53,280 --> 02:07:59,599
» Because there's a tree there. Good. I
wanted to have a tree. Those those are

1475
02:07:56,320 --> 02:08:06,000
really beautiful. Um
so all the addition of the trees you

1476
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:13,440
made which um you had actually added
uh almost 50 30 and so that's that's

1477
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:18,719
really um I was upset about seeing 60
trees taken out and 14 going in. So I

1478
02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:23,280
think you've remedied some of that. Um
>> well I I know because the Monterey pines

1479
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:27,840
there there's so many of Monterey pines
and they're so bad. Yes.

1480
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:30,159
They're all past their climax.
>> Yes.

1481
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:34,000
» Um so they no matter what they should
come out. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah.

1482
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:38,159
» Yes. And also the lights. I think you
you did decrease the ones on the boat

1483
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:43,199
house. There were quite a few on on that
also. And the strip lights. Thank you

1484
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:46,000
for We are always discouraged something
to look like a landing strip.

1485
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:52,639
» Yeah.
>> You may get unwanted visitors if um

1486
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:58,560
» or disco. And also noted in the staff
report was already a condition to

1487
02:08:55,280 --> 02:09:02,800
replace the micro uh
night I guess it's called something like

1488
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:09,119
that and that's already in the staff
report in order to do that.

1489
02:09:06,159 --> 02:09:13,599
» Um
and I have to say

1490
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:17,840
many people are very excited about
getting that horrible fence out of

1491
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:21,840
there. [laughter]
It's nice to have a goodlook fence.

1492
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:27,119
We've been looking at that for years and
years. So that it's nice to get rid of

1493
02:09:23,599 --> 02:09:31,360
that fence. Um,
>> okay. Those are all my questions

1494
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:36,639
» for you. And you were going to talk
about the pool lights too. I think

1495
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:42,560
» Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Uh, on slide if if
we wanted to go to the uh I think it was

1496
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:50,719
nine, page nine, slide nine, it it shows
a section cut through the property. Um,

1497
02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:56,800
the sheet A4.2 two on David's package.
The the the the

1498
02:09:54,000 --> 02:10:03,360
conversation about the pool uh is that
we placed the lights on the house side

1499
02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:07,840
such that if you walk to the edge of the
deck and you look down at the pool, you

1500
02:10:05,599 --> 02:10:12,079
wouldn't see the individual lights in
your eyes. So, you would only see

1501
02:10:09,679 --> 02:10:17,119
reflection. So, then the concern would
be if that's the case, then what about

1502
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:23,520
light pollution going out? Well, in this
instance, from the bay or from uh the

1503
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:28,560
adjoining properties, they're slightly
below and there's no possibility to be

1504
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:32,719
able to see the pool whatsoever.
And they looking at it from the other

1505
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:38,880
direction.
The the street uh is entire the street

1506
02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:43,360
view is entirely blocked by the whole
house. So there's no possibility that

1507
02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:51,280
that any part of this swimming pool
could be seen off off the property.

1508
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:56,960
So therefore, a glow for the water
um while visible from inside the

1509
02:10:54,480 --> 02:11:01,040
property is not visible from anywhere
off the property.

1510
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:04,199
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1511
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:16,400
Thank you for the presentation. I have a
couple questions. I want to focus around

1512
02:11:11,599 --> 02:11:22,400
the um revocable license area and um for
either of you. Um one is the uh the

1513
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:27,440
garbage area. Um
you know, I've read through the policy

1514
02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:30,800
for revocable license and it it's um
it's discouraging things like the

1515
02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:35,520
garbage enclosure. I know that uh John
Mertin talked a bit to how difficult it

1516
02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:40,320
would be to build a structure up there,
but just want to see if if you would

1517
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:43,360
consider other locations for
>> Well, we definitely consider it. Well,

1518
02:11:41,599 --> 02:11:49,360
my question about the revocable license,
though, I mean, I have the copy of the

1519
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:55,520
recorded one. Wouldn't it have been um
issued on the on the approval that we

1520
02:11:52,079 --> 02:12:01,199
got before or did the did the project
after ours into 2023 did it supersede

1521
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:03,040
what we
because I think they had a garbage can

1522
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:08,639
closure
>> there was a garbage garbage in the

1523
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:13,599
previous project and it's been recorded
but if we go in for a new revocable

1524
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:17,599
license then previous RLS become null
and void okay

1525
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:21,199
» so the garbage
enclosure.

1526
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:24,239
» Well, we have a we have we have a little
>> It doesn't sound like there's an

1527
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:28,320
enclosure in this one, though. It's just
a fence and then it's to screen the

1528
02:12:26,719 --> 02:12:31,520
garbage can. So, we didn't really call
it a garbage enclosure. It doesn't have

1529
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:36,079
sides, doesn't have doors, it doesn't
have a lid.

1530
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:40,880
» Yeah, but I
>> Yeah, I I I mean, I think we should look

1531
02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:47,199
at this to see what the current revol I
don't know. Or do you think that that

1532
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:47,199
the city council would wouldn't

1533
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:53,199
You know, I don't know. It's just that
it's just that if we move the the

1534
02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:58,480
garbage enclosure down into the
property, the the slope is so steep it's

1535
02:12:56,000 --> 02:13:02,000
not practical.
>> Um Okay. And then

1536
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:06,639
» and the other and the other benefit, by
the way, and I don't know how much value

1537
02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:12,320
this has, but when we moved the the when
we built the new fence and we moved it

1538
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:17,920
onto the property, it revealed where 125
Belvadier has some utility hookups and

1539
02:13:14,719 --> 02:13:22,239
stuff. Now, if we keep our our garbage
screening where we want it, we screen

1540
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:25,520
all of that utility. And so, what
happens is I think it's a benefit

1541
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:30,639
because we're also widening Belvar
Avenue so much. It's kind of a averaging

1542
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:35,360
where you're you I think you're getting
more and it's a better design if we keep

1543
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:39,280
the garbage where we where we propose
it.

1544
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:44,560
» Okay. Um and then I wanted to ask too
about the fence that's proposed up at

1545
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:47,920
the street level. Um I understand that
the purpose of the fence is for public

1546
02:13:46,159 --> 02:13:51,119
safety and I think it's super it's very
important because of the uh drop off

1547
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:56,400
there.
I just wonder uh the the fence uh it

1548
02:13:54,719 --> 02:14:01,280
appears from grade level at the street
it's about four and a half feet high. I

1549
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:05,280
wonder if it needs to be that high to
provide public safety. Um it seems a

1550
02:14:04,239 --> 02:14:08,800
little high.
>> Is it six feet off?

1551
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:13,040
» It's six feet from where the grade is
where it's built and then but the

1552
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:17,280
section shows uh from the street level
it's about about four and a half ft

1553
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:20,480
high. I I just don't know if it needs to
be that high. Um,

1554
02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:24,800
» I wish I included that graphic we had.
We had I mean because the property line

1555
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:28,159
is
>> Can you get closer to the mic?

1556
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:32,079
» I think the property line's about seven
or eight feet off the edge of the road

1557
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:39,760
down slope.
>> When you have this sixoot fence, we were

1558
02:14:36,719 --> 02:14:44,719
» down well, you could easily see over the
top and with the 4ft vegetation would it

1559
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:50,480
would nearly seem as though it wasn't
there. But the the design of it

1560
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:54,639
and and then this is something that we
have to work on probably a little bit.

1561
02:14:52,079 --> 02:14:58,239
But is that the base of that would be
very stout like there's a there's a

1562
02:14:56,400 --> 02:15:02,400
plate and then we have these pickets
that rise up

1563
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:07,119
» and the the intention is that if a
vehicle were to you know edge off the

1564
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:13,840
edge of the road they couldn't make it
>> past that that barrier.

1565
02:15:10,239 --> 02:15:20,880
Um, this was a a just kind of a sketch
study

1566
02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:27,440
looking at moving a trash enclosure off
the rightway and in onto the property

1567
02:15:23,119 --> 02:15:33,440
entirely. And what I was pointing out is
that the contour line,

1568
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:40,159
say the midpoint contour line is around
130 and we're at 138.5. So it's 8 and

1569
02:15:37,599 --> 02:15:47,040
1/2 on average 8 and 1/2 ft up in the
air and and and so that and in order for

1570
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:51,599
you to then be able to roll a can not
going up or down stairs or up a ramp

1571
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:59,440
more or less across and put it in the
street for pickup. And so uh it seems

1572
02:15:56,000 --> 02:16:04,320
like a lot of construction. It's it's
making a lot of construction right

1573
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:08,880
there. Um, and so then since we already
had the revocable license, we were

1574
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:14,480
hoping that we wouldn't have to build so
much in that particular location.

1575
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:18,480
» Okay. And then and then to follow up too
about the the fence, I you know,

1576
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:24,239
» the height of the fence, it's a sixoot
fence and it's the you know, it's the

1577
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:27,440
fin style metal pickets and I suppose it
could be a five foot fence or something

1578
02:16:25,679 --> 02:16:31,520
in that ballpark, but I would want you
would want it to be a certain height.

1579
02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:35,280
» Yes. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. No. And I I
was, you know, in prepare preparing for

1580
02:16:33,439 --> 02:16:38,559
this, I was looking around, you know,
like guardrails on the freeway, which

1581
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:46,080
keep cars from going over. They're at
about 3 ft high, but um I uh I you know,

1582
02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:50,000
I was imagining cars at night coming
around the curve. You you want

1583
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:54,639
definitely want a visual barrier. Um so
I'm not saying the fence has to be from

1584
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:57,519
street level 3t high, but I don't think
I don't know that it needs to be four

1585
02:16:55,840 --> 02:17:02,319
and a half ft high. It's pretty tall. I
mean, it's probably about this height

1586
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:07,599
here. And the my my only point is with
the uh revocable license requirements is

1587
02:17:05,679 --> 02:17:12,559
that there's an intent to really not
have public land look appear to be

1588
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:15,840
privatized by things like fences or
>> well this particular part of the fence

1589
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:19,840
is on the property line because the
retaining wall for the driveways on the

1590
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:23,280
property line. So this fence would sit
on top of the that's why it's this

1591
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:28,719
style.
So the retainable curves and so these

1592
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:31,760
elements so it's really not in in the
city property

1593
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:36,000
» um is it portion of the revocable
license for the fence

1594
02:17:33,439 --> 02:17:41,200
» for the wooden fence by the trashing
>> okay

1595
02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:46,160
» yeah the uh the vertical kind of picket
style fence is entirely on the property.

1596
02:17:43,679 --> 02:17:52,240
Okay. Thanks. Thanks.
>> Um, and the the plan is to to screen the

1597
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:55,920
fence with uh with vegetation as well.
Correct.

1598
02:17:53,439 --> 02:18:01,439
» I don't I don't think my intention was
to screen the fence in in particular,

1599
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:07,599
but to have vegetation in the front,
more for aesthetic uh purposes. I I

1600
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:14,639
didn't think that the that I thought the
fence would be attractive and it's it's

1601
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:19,080
sort of a definition of space. So, Um, I
I didn't think that that was the

1602
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:19,080
purpose.

1603
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:35,479
» Did you Did you have any additional
questions?

1604
02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:45,519
» Just had some questions about the amount
of glass on the on the back of the of

1605
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:50,080
the house. Um, I I know that this is,
you know, the

1606
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:54,800
the glass and then the inter and the
interior lights are not necessarily

1607
02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:59,679
going to be seen by other other members
of the Belvadier community, but I just I

1608
02:18:57,599 --> 02:19:04,479
want
I guess I want I want to ask like is is

1609
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:10,080
this house going to be a a giant shining
beacon for the people of Salo?

1610
02:19:08,479 --> 02:19:15,840
Well, what we what we've done is we've
introduced, you know, wood lettuce

1611
02:19:12,399 --> 02:19:20,800
screening on portions of the glass
actually quite a bit. Um, and the other

1612
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:25,439
thing I was considering I'm
we'd use [clears throat] it in Lake

1613
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:28,920
Tahoe is non-reflective glass, which
might be a consideration.

1614
02:19:29,031 --> 02:19:34,719
» [clears throat]
>> Yeah, I think that would probably be be

1615
02:19:32,399 --> 02:19:40,920
good just for for the folks out out on
the water and for our slightly farther

1616
02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:40,920
away neighbors.

1617
02:19:50,646 --> 02:19:56,160
[snorts]
>> All right.

1618
02:19:54,000 --> 02:20:01,520
No further questions from planning
commission. Um, would anyone in the

1619
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:06,421
audience like to make a comment? Please
come forward.

1620
02:20:04,401 --> 02:20:06,421
[clears throat]

1621
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:15,680
» Uh, good evening, commissioners. My name
is Steve Silverstein. I live at two at

1622
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:20,800
one cliff road. I'm a 30-year resident
of Belvadier, and I have walked by this

1623
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:27,040
street uh hundreds or thousands of
times. in them. I am one of the people

1624
02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:34,960
who is really excited that that fence
has come down. Uh it's just like a whole

1625
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:40,560
new world here. Like we u I really
appreciate the people behind this of

1626
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:47,120
moving the fence away from the street
down [clears throat] uh down the hill.

1627
02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:52,399
The top of the fence is below the street
level. They did that for about three

1628
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:56,880
quarters of the fence and then one
quarter of it they did it the way the

1629
02:20:54,720 --> 02:21:01,840
old fence is as it's closer to the
street and it's it's that old uh tunnel

1630
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:08,640
effect. So you almost have the before
and the after still still there.

1631
02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:15,200
I hope that uh in all our deliberations
here that we make a condition that the

1632
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:20,160
top of the fence be below the street
level. So, I don't care if the fence is

1633
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:25,120
four feet, five feet, six feet, seven
feet, just so long as the top of it is

1634
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:30,479
below the street level. I think they uh
submitted a uh in the architectural uh

1635
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:35,520
uh things that were submitted to the
city, there's a shot here. It's in the

1636
02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:41,120
lower right hand corner. you see a
couple of uh people walking or running

1637
02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:47,200
along the uh along the street and you
can see that the there's no you can see

1638
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:52,160
the the garbage uh container over in the
back but for the whole front of the

1639
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:57,439
property there's no the fence is below
the street level. So, I hope that that's

1640
02:21:54,560 --> 02:22:03,840
what uh is in the plans all the way up
to the uh to the the driveway which is

1641
02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:07,760
on the the left side as uh as we know
there. So, that that will be a great

1642
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:11,920
improvement. And I was so super pleased
to hear that the roof is going to be

1643
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:16,640
green because you're going to look down
on top of the roof and you're going to

1644
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:22,160
see some nice uh uh plants there. It
it's going to be really uh really

1645
02:22:18,399 --> 02:22:27,600
beautiful with that. So, I I commend
this is like our fourth time on this uh

1646
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:32,640
thing here uh that this one gets done
and it gets done this way and we'll all

1647
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:37,240
be grateful for it. So, just make sure
that that happens. Thank you.

1648
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:47,960
» Thank you.
Is there anyone else present that in the

1649
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:47,960
room that would like to speak here?

1650
02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:58,560
Any hands raised on Zoom?
>> No hands raised.

1651
02:22:52,800 --> 02:23:03,920
» Okay. Um I I wonder um regarding the
last comment if I could have the

1652
02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:08,160
applicant uh come forward and just talk
about this idea that the top of the

1653
02:23:06,160 --> 02:23:13,600
fence should be below street level. What
what would be involved in that? Is that

1654
02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:18,000
possible? Um
>> I don't I I don't have

1655
02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:22,240
We'd have to Well, there's a vertical
drop and it so it has to be 42 inches

1656
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:25,280
above. Um [clears throat] so I don't
know if that how that relates to street

1657
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:28,800
level,
>> right?

1658
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:31,920
» But it has to be 42 in um minimum.
>> Correct.

1659
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:37,040
» Yeah. And so right now
>> so I I sort of know and this question

1660
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:40,160
can't perhaps cannot be answered because
>> right now it's 72 in. It has to be 42.

1661
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:44,000
Yeah. Yeah.
>> And it could be somewhere between 72 and

1662
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:47,760
42. And the other thing I'd like to
point out is the only reason that that

1663
02:23:45,439 --> 02:23:52,080
existing part is still where it was
before is a practical matter. And when

1664
02:23:50,319 --> 02:23:55,760
the new fence is in, that is totally
gone and we're back to that line that

1665
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:59,920
continues.
>> The excuse me, but the the new the fence

1666
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:01,439
is metal, isn't it? The new fence that
you can see through,

1667
02:24:00,960 --> 02:24:05,760
» right?
>> So it doesn't really

1668
02:24:03,439 --> 02:24:08,560
» block off any So if you're walking by,
you can see through it also. and and

1669
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:12,800
since it's curved in the way it's
designed, it sort of changes as you move

1670
02:24:10,880 --> 02:24:15,359
through the space. So that's why, you
know, John was saying it's an

1671
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:17,920
architectural element. The planting is
sort of a base or foreground in front of

1672
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:21,840
this architectural
>> element.

1673
02:24:20,560 --> 02:24:26,880
Okay.
>> Thank you.

1674
02:24:23,439 --> 02:24:30,600
I do think it's important
>> you don't see the fence

1675
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:43,359
» in the picture that they submitted. You
don't see the fence. Okay. The top of

1676
02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:50,160
the fence is below the street level,
right? It's not a problem.

1677
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:57,720
Okay. That's what they submitted. The
site is vertical enough [clears throat]

1678
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:57,720
to do it. So, let's just do it.

1679
02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:08,439
» Um, did you did you have something to
say?

1680
02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:20,080
I the the concern I I I I can't answer
this question because I don't I didn't

1681
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:25,840
memorize the the grade location relative
to the street and perhaps as we get

1682
02:25:23,359 --> 02:25:31,120
where the metal picket meets a wooden
fence. There could be a zone in there

1683
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:36,000
where even 42 is higher than the street
level. It's it's likely. Um certainly

1684
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:39,760
not where the vehicle gate is. We we
know it descends down some distance.

1685
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:46,479
were already going down the driveway.
So, this fence does [clears throat] have

1686
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:52,319
both a curve and a downward suite as you
come around. Uh, so, but I I can't

1687
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:58,479
answer the question technically, but I
also would like that fence to look kind

1688
02:25:56,000 --> 02:26:06,319
of beautiful from above and below. In
other words, having a gradation that is

1689
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:10,000
uniform. But I I our our in we have no
benefit for seeing the fence. So, you

1690
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:12,240
know.
>> Okay.

1691
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:16,040
» That's good. Thank you. I'm just trying
to get the picture here.

1692
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:28,399
» Um if nobody here has any further
comments, I'll close the public hearing

1693
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:33,200
and bring it back to the commission for
discussion.

1694
02:26:31,359 --> 02:26:37,479
Um, Commissioner Laskkey, would you like
to begin the discussion, please?

1695
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:44,720
» Um, this is actually, as you mentioned
in the audience, um, this is the third

1696
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:51,439
time that I have looked at a project
for, um, this site, so I think that I

1697
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:57,680
would be thrilled to see um, a house
built there. Um, and also, um, it really

1698
02:26:54,960 --> 02:27:02,800
does this where you're sighting the
house below the hillside and also with

1699
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:09,200
the green roofs really makes it fit in
to the terrain and disappear basically.

1700
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:14,720
And it's wonderful to be able to walk
along now and look over the fence and

1701
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:21,479
where the stray poles are, you can look
over. So that's where the house um is

1702
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:21,479
going to be. Um,

1703
02:27:24,080 --> 02:27:31,120
and the other advantage of having the
garage below the road is you're not

1704
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:36,399
looking at garages. And it's very
attractive to have the garage below the

1705
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:41,560
road. So, we're not looking at a garage
sitting um on the road.

1706
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:49,359
It doesn't the hum does not draw
attention to itself at all because it's

1707
02:27:46,319 --> 02:27:56,720
below the road. and the screening that
are on both um of the property lines

1708
02:27:53,359 --> 02:28:02,479
give privacy. Um and I like the fact
that um the landscape architect added

1709
02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:09,600
some pod carpus on the road that also
will give some green and some some tree

1710
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:15,520
and shade there. Um it will break up the
view a little bit. Um the wood and the

1711
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:20,640
materials I think are really beautiful.
the wood louvers

1712
02:28:17,760 --> 02:28:25,520
um that were added actually to some of
the windows. So that would screen some

1713
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:31,920
of the light and the windows that you
would look at from Salelo and or from um

1714
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:37,920
the water. It softens the house. So I
can make the findings for design review.

1715
02:28:35,840 --> 02:28:43,040
I would have liked to have seen the
colors of the materials tonight,

1716
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:52,080
especially the cement. Maybe to be sure
that the cement is not too

1717
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:59,520
um white. I think the color was a um
um can't remember now it was a buff but

1718
02:28:55,760 --> 02:29:03,680
to be sure that it's not you know white
um

1719
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:09,520
and I can make the findings for
demolition there are no hysterical not

1720
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:16,160
hysterical but historical architect
maybe hysterical too. um significance.

1721
02:29:12,960 --> 02:29:20,479
Um it's really great to clean, you know,
clean up the lots. I am concerned about

1722
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:25,743
the truckloads. So that's something I
think the city can look at. Yeah, it's

1723
02:29:23,280 --> 02:29:32,240
called buff or something. The concrete,
[clears throat] I think.

1724
02:29:28,399 --> 02:29:37,120
Um I can make the findings also for the
revocable license. I I don't know.

1725
02:29:36,224 --> 02:29:40,319
[clears throat]
I was asking whether there is an

1726
02:29:38,800 --> 02:29:46,319
existing one because I didn't know
whether you could just add a new one for

1727
02:29:44,560 --> 02:29:52,599
the parts that aren't included in the
old one. I don't know um how that how

1728
02:29:50,319 --> 02:29:59,520
how that you could do that. But
[clears throat] um it is practical to

1729
02:29:55,520 --> 02:30:05,600
have the garbage container there. Um, so
I that that really is is an ease and

1730
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:15,280
that doesn't really bother me. Um,
and you are increasing the space of the

1731
02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:23,120
road by seven feet 9 in which is um
actually a great advantage to give more

1732
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:29,200
parking. And so that is um um really a
public uh favor to add more parking and

1733
02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:33,120
increase the size of the road.
Otherwise, you know, it kind of drops

1734
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:37,760
off there.
Um [snorts]

1735
02:30:35,920 --> 02:30:43,920
yeah, and having the metal fence
see-through, I think, is an advantage,

1736
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:50,720
too, because it gives air and um
doesn't close off the whole property.

1737
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:59,120
Um I can make the uh findings also for
the exception to floor area. Um this lot

1738
02:30:54,880 --> 02:31:05,200
is three times the size of a normal lot
size. The primary views are not impacted

1739
02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:12,000
from adjoining properties and it will
also not reduce privacy um in adjoining

1740
02:31:08,240 --> 02:31:18,880
properties. It's and the way the house
is set on the on the hillside, it really

1741
02:31:15,439 --> 02:31:24,800
sits into the slope which decreases the
mass and bulk of it. Um, and in the

1742
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:30,240
years after it'll be completed, it
certainly will improve the views uh from

1743
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:35,520
the street.
And the new landscape screening also um

1744
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:43,359
is good for the neighbors and good for
the um uh neighborhood all around.

1745
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:48,960
I do I I would like to add also a
condition for tree protection because

1746
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:53,600
there are some trees that need to be
protected during the construction. some

1747
02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:58,399
of the old oak trees. And actually, I I
actually forgot to mention to John, but

1748
02:31:55,840 --> 02:32:04,880
I can give the city there are three or
four trees um I have the numbers of that

1749
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:13,120
look like things can be adjusted by a
foot or two and you could keep these oak

1750
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:18,160
trees. So, um they are
um [clears throat]

1751
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:22,880
number 28 and number 30. One's near a
boat house and one's near the ADU. But

1752
02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:29,920
it would be good to take a look at some
of these large oak trees that you are

1753
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:35,600
taking out. And sometimes it just means
a difference of a foot on the building

1754
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:39,479
to be able to keep um some trees and
that should be looked at.

1755
02:32:52,960 --> 02:33:01,520
Those are my comments. Thank you.
[clears throat]

1756
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:05,280
» Thanks. Um, Commissioner Wilson, please.
>> Yeah, thank you.

1757
02:33:04,516 --> 02:33:09,920
» [snorts]
>> Um I just wanted to say that um I also

1758
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:14,000
can make the design review findings for
this project um

1759
02:33:12,479 --> 02:33:18,960
uh with the changes with the lighting
that are proposed and um you know the

1760
02:33:16,880 --> 02:33:23,840
mention of the glazing that will be
non-reflective. I think that will be

1761
02:33:20,800 --> 02:33:29,280
very helpful. Um the project is
compatible with the the surroundings. Um

1762
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:33,200
and then as far as the demolition permit
I can also make the findings for that.

1763
02:33:31,359 --> 02:33:38,399
um you the demolition of what's on the
site will not be detrimental to the

1764
02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:43,359
city. Um as far as adopting the
resolution for the exception to total

1765
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:48,640
floor area, um I also agree with the
previous commissioner's findings um that

1766
02:33:46,240 --> 02:33:52,560
uh primary views are protected. Uh
privacy as well is not impacted and the

1767
02:33:50,960 --> 02:33:58,080
views from the street are also
protected. And finally, for the

1768
02:33:54,560 --> 02:34:04,720
revocable license, uh, I would like to
know if I would like the applicant to

1769
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:08,080
consider moving um the garbage off out
of the revocable license request. I'm

1770
02:34:06,720 --> 02:34:14,000
not I don't want to make it a condition
of approval. Um, but on balance, I do

1771
02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:18,720
think that the um uh the amenities that
are being provided with the project uh

1772
02:34:16,399 --> 02:34:21,720
support avocable license as well. Thank
you,

1773
02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:30,960
» Commissioner Watson, please.
>> Thanks. Um, I too think that this this

1774
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:36,399
this project um even even if it wasn't
replacing what is currently a coyote

1775
02:34:33,439 --> 02:34:42,560
habitat would be a great benefit to our
uh to our community and to our island.

1776
02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:47,040
Um I um I also walk walk past this uh
this lot all the all the time as I live

1777
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:52,800
on that side of the island and really
appreciate the the opening up of the

1778
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:57,280
view already. Um it's uh it's very nice
to see something that you didn't know

1779
02:34:54,479 --> 02:35:03,040
you were going to get. Um you know and
especially since it's a f it's a

1780
02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:07,520
fantastic view. Um um I can make I can
make the findings clearly clearly for

1781
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:12,720
clearly for demol for uh for for the for
the dem for the demolition. Um and also

1782
02:35:10,240 --> 02:35:17,600
for the exception to total total floor
area. Um, as the other commissioners

1783
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:24,880
already pointed out, uh, until very
recently, this was actually three lots.

1784
02:35:20,399 --> 02:35:28,399
And, um, if you assume that it is still
still three lots, it actually would

1785
02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:34,000
wouldn't have need wouldn't have needed
a an exception to total floor area. Um

1786
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:42,800
and also the way that the way that it's
uh it's cited as um does provide privacy

1787
02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:47,439
a and a sort of a a green look as well
as well as providing views for the

1788
02:35:44,399 --> 02:35:52,560
community. Um I also appreciate uh the
addition of the ADU and the Jedu so that

1789
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:57,200
there are still three housing units that
are on that are on this this uh this

1790
02:35:54,720 --> 02:36:02,319
this this property.
Um, I can also make the findings for the

1791
02:35:59,920 --> 02:36:08,319
revocable license, um, including the
garbage enclosure. Um, as it looks as

1792
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:14,640
though they're that it will have like
the lowest height practicable for for

1793
02:36:11,840 --> 02:36:18,160
actually hiding the hiding the garbage.
Um,

1794
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:22,880
my 16-year-old son is supposed to be the
one to take the garbage out up our

1795
02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:28,800
steep, you know, fairly steep driveway.
He does not. It is me. And so I I will I

1796
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:38,000
I understand just what a pain it is to
haul garbage around. Um and then um I

1797
02:36:34,479 --> 02:36:43,359
appreciate uh Commissioner Lask's um
proposal of reviewing plans for the

1798
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:48,319
protection of of trees number 28 and and
and 30. Um, one of the only things that

1799
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:52,800
I didn't like about this plan was the
the number of large old trees that are

1800
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:59,600
being removed. Even though I understand
that a number of them um are both

1801
02:36:57,359 --> 02:37:04,479
damaged, disease, past their prime, and
should be should be removed for fire

1802
02:37:01,359 --> 02:37:11,040
purposes and also uh within within the
floor plan of the of the proposed house.

1803
02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:19,040
Um I would like to condition uh the
approval on uh for the um for the design

1804
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:24,720
review on the reduction of the out of
the outside lighting um as you already

1805
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:30,560
dis discussed this evening um as well as
the protection of the existing and rema

1806
02:37:28,160 --> 02:37:34,640
and remaining large trees during uh
during construction. This is something

1807
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:40,240
that we've provided on a number of uh of
new of new house builds. Um and also on

1808
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:46,399
having non-reflective glass on the on
the large large panel large panels of

1809
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:52,063
panels of glass um on the on the house.
Um and then the approval of the final

1810
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:54,479
lighting lighting plan by
[clears throat]

1811
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:57,439
the
um by the chair and the

1812
02:37:56,319 --> 02:38:01,720
» lighting and landscape.
>> Yes, lighting and landscape. Thank you.

1813
02:38:06,240 --> 02:38:15,600
Uh so I uh I will echo um my fellow
commissioners um feelings about this.

1814
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:22,000
I'll try not to be too redundant, but
just highlight a couple of um things

1815
02:38:18,160 --> 02:38:28,800
that I observed. Um it was pretty
interesting um upon visiting the site to

1816
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:34,960
see the way the story poles situate
themselves in the site. um and also the

1817
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:41,280
the distance and the existing vegetation
that's going to be between this rather

1818
02:38:38,080 --> 02:38:48,640
large house and the adjacent neighbors.
So, um I I very much appreciate the the

1819
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:53,600
way the building has been designed and
situated into the site. I think the

1820
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:57,920
colors and materials are good. I also
think it's hard to design a really

1821
02:38:55,520 --> 02:39:02,720
attractive very large house. I guess
that's speaking from, you know, as an

1822
02:38:59,920 --> 02:39:07,840
architect. It's not an easy job and I I
think that um a very good job has has

1823
02:39:05,920 --> 02:39:13,920
been done here. So, I'll be able to make
the findings for design review. Um I'll

1824
02:39:11,439 --> 02:39:19,520
also be able to make findings for
demolition.

1825
02:39:15,439 --> 02:39:24,080
Um, again, in terms of um floor area
exemption, um, the things I just

1826
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:32,000
referenced, the way the house relates to
its lot, its neighbors, vegetation, um,

1827
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:37,920
all good. So, I can make the findings
for additional floor area. Um, and I'll

1828
02:39:36,080 --> 02:39:46,640
be able to make findings for revocable
license. Um I um appreciate Commissioner

1829
02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:54,000
Lasky's um input to the applicant on
trees. I also had a concern about um the

1830
02:39:51,520 --> 02:39:58,880
number of trees being removed. Um I
don't think we're looking for a onetoone

1831
02:39:56,720 --> 02:40:02,720
replacement at this point, but I do
think the additional landscape

1832
02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:11,040
improvements that you've described are
are good. Um I also u want to say to the

1833
02:40:08,880 --> 02:40:19,359
neighbor who's interested in the fence
height, I think that can be subject of

1834
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:24,319
of review. Um which will landscape and
lighting and fencing will come back to

1835
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:29,040
me. So at that time I'm going to try to
keep your comments in mind and see what

1836
02:40:26,880 --> 02:40:34,720
we can do and just urge you to do what
you can to keep the fence as as minimal

1837
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:40,720
as it can be. Having said that, I like
the idea of what the fence design is

1838
02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:44,000
with the the see-through slats.
So, I think we'll end up at a good

1839
02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:47,640
solution at the end of the day. And I
appreciate your comments.

1840
02:40:47,920 --> 02:40:55,600
So, um, with that, I think we're ready
to get

1841
02:40:52,880 --> 02:41:01,560
some motions on the floor and some
conditions of approval. Anyone want to

1842
02:40:57,920 --> 02:41:01,560
take a shot at that?

1843
02:41:06,960 --> 02:41:13,520
So, I'm going to go a little bit out of
order, just the easy ones first. Um, I'd

1844
02:41:11,200 --> 02:41:21,200
like to propose a propose a motion to
adopt a resolution granting a demolition

1845
02:41:16,160 --> 02:41:27,600
permit to demolish the existing 3,764
ft single family dwelling unit at 135

1846
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:30,600
Belvadier Avenue. I'll second the
motion.

1847
02:41:30,720 --> 02:41:36,479
All in favor?
>> I I

1848
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:40,560
» All right. Um I'd like to propose a
propose a motion to adopt a resolution

1849
02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:49,160
granting an exception to total floor
area to allow an 11,223

1850
02:41:44,240 --> 02:41:49,160
square ft house where a 4,850

1851
02:41:49,200 --> 02:41:57,600
square ft uh house is permitted at
number 135 Belvadier Avenue.

1852
02:41:55,520 --> 02:42:01,200
» Second.
>> All in favor? I

1853
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:07,359
» I
>> um for the revocable uh license, this is

1854
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:11,439
just a recommendation. Um so I'd like to
propose a motion to recommend the city

1855
02:42:09,520 --> 02:42:15,520
council approval of the revocable
license for the private improvements

1856
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:21,520
located in the Belvadier Avenue right
ofway at 135 Belvadier Avenue.

1857
02:42:19,439 --> 02:42:24,160
» Second.
>> All in favor?

1858
02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:29,359
» I I
>> All right. Um, and now for the motion

1859
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:33,359
for design review.
Um, I would like to propose a motion

1860
02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:38,880
adopting a resolution granting design
review to construct a new single family

1861
02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:45,200
residence and attached garage number 135
Belvadier Avenue with the following

1862
02:42:41,359 --> 02:42:50,319
conditions. Number one is that the staff
and chair Sidell um approve the

1863
02:42:47,680 --> 02:42:56,160
landscape and lighting and lighting plan
uh for the house prior to the uh

1864
02:42:54,080 --> 02:43:03,439
building permit.
Number two, to provide uh protection to

1865
02:43:01,359 --> 02:43:10,000
we'll call it the the old and larger
trees dur during during construction and

1866
02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:16,040
also to review the tree plan uh as to
whether or not trees number 28 and 30

1867
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:16,040
couldn't be kept.

1868
02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:25,439
And then number three is
um to have non-reflective glass on the

1869
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:31,080
large panels of glass on the upper story
of the back of the house. How does that

1870
02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:31,080
sound?

1871
02:43:34,720 --> 02:43:40,080
» Good. All right. I'll second.
>> We're not I don't think we're finished

1872
02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:42,560
yet, are we?
>> That was that I only had one, two,

1873
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:46,080
three.
>> Oh. Um

1874
02:43:43,279 --> 02:43:50,240
» what are we missing? Do we need to um
say something about that light fixture

1875
02:43:48,080 --> 02:43:53,760
that needs to be changed out?
>> Um I thought that was going to be under

1876
02:43:51,760 --> 02:44:00,479
the lighting plan.
>> Oh, it can't. That's fine. Okay, then I

1877
02:43:56,560 --> 02:44:05,160
can cross that off my list. So So that's
the So we have a complete motion.

1878
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:12,600
» I'll second the motion.
>> All in favor? Hi.

1879
02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:12,600
» Hi.

1880
02:44:21,920 --> 02:44:28,439
» Okay. Uh, thank you everyone. I'll now
adjourn the meeting.