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I'm going to adjourn the closed session and call the regular meeting to order.

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And before we proceed with the roll call, I'd like to announce that Vice Mayor of Sensky is

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we believe participating remotely, pursuant to government code section 54953. Vice

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Mayor of Sensky's teleconflocation has been properly noticed on the agenda and is open

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to the public. Members of the public may observe and participate from either the council

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chambers or the noticed remote location.

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Trevor, are you with us?

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Maybe not, it appears he's not.

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So we were going to proceed.

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I'll be by spare today.

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Ms. Wolf, please call the roll.

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Tell some of her words for our time.

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Here, Larga Spada, Mr. Mascensky.

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Scott, here, and Mary out.

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Here, please join me in the pledge.

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A plaque stating the fundamental rights of each member of the public is posted at the entrance

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to the meeting room for Section 4.04.03 of the City of Adhesias Open Government

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Ordnance. Under an announcement, I have mayor's office hours on the first and third

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wins the first and third Monday of each month. And if that time is not convenient for you,

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You can make an appointment through the City Manager's office.

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We have no proclamation, we have no appointments, we have no presentations.

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So we're going to be directly into the adoption of the agenda, Mr. Juliani, do we have any changes

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to the agenda?

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No changes, ma'am.

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Do we have a motion in a second to adopt?

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So moved.

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Second.

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You've got a motion in a second.

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Ms. Holf, please call the roll.

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Council members.

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For outside?

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Marcus Bada.

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Scott?

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Yes. And that takes us to public comment. And this is an opportunity for someone to bake a comment on any item not on the agenda.

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And we would ask only that you limit your talks to something that's within the purview of the city to act upon.

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And I've got three cards here, and Mr. Roberts ran right into the front, and we will

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hear you first.

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Oh, sorry.

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There you go.

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Mayor, some council members, staff.

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Christina Strawbridge, President of Venetian Main Street.

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I'm here to plug our big waterfront weekend that's this weekend, and hopefully you'll

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all be there.

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I know you've always supported it in the past.

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We've got a wonderful line up of entertainment.

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We've done the first time Venetia's taste.

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So we've got five restaurants that are going to be down there.

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Looking some amazing dishes.

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We've got some micro brew, handcraft beer,

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which is new this year along with regional wines that will be pouring.

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So we're excited about the event.

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We have a big tarp that will be covering the seating, which will make a lot of folks happy.

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So you can get out of the sun.

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We've got lots of chairs, lots of tables, and it should be just a really fun event.

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We also have partnered with the Yacht Club.

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They have now 12 boats that will be sailing up and down the straight with a race on Saturday.

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And then on Sunday we have the Outrigger Club based here in Venetia, they'll be doing demonstrations on the water and they've invited the men Outrigger U.S. A team, which will be participating next year in LA for the Olympics.

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So a lot of excitement down there at the waterfront. I did want to also kind of give your recap on for the July 3rd and 4th of July.

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And we, Main Street took over with the city of fundraising for the fourth fireworks.

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And we are still in the process of collecting money.

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But so far we have $26,471 in our hand.

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We have a pledge from Republic for $5,000.

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And we have some other outstanding pledges that are out there.

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One of the things I want to note is our can distribution, down town.

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We've collected $787 in money from the cans, but cans were, so I just want to shout out.

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I also want to point out Lori Grundman, who was amazing in our cleanup effort.

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She was out there a good part of the night and day by herself.

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State till I think 115, 130 in the morning on the fifth to make that green look pristine.

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So we're going to try and partner with Lori for next year to build a better team, but we were scrambling at the end.

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We have lots of porta pottings. Thank you to their district for their grant money.

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We had porta pottings everywhere. Even the mayor thought we had a lot of porta pottings.

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So anyway, I really appreciate the support.

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This is Main Streets.

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The waterfront weekend is our biggest fundraiser.

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It helps us do all of the events we do

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like the farmers market and perfect timing.

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We appreciate the support.

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Did the air gets to come through with the check?

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I did.

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OK, good.

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And so we'll be settling up with in paying bills.

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And we'll be sending, I'll be working with Mario on how we get extra money over to help offset

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police fire and public works.

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And next year, I know if it's not too soon to start thinking about next year, the air district

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said that they wouldn't support a drone show, but not fireworks.

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And so I've got some ideas, so I think it'll be great to sit down and discuss what the potential

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could be doing drone show and set of fireworks, we could elaborate on doing music on the fourth

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down at the green. There's a lot of people show up early and they don't have anything

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to do until 9.30 at night. So we might want to look at broadening that event itself.

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But I think we can transition. We'll see what the community says. I think drone is the way to

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is Mayor Lamar Day.

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Good evening council, Mayor.

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What triggered my desire to come here tonight is I was thinking about the comments

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do that are on Friday for the scoping for the EIR for the Rosa State's.

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It's a major major project that will bring what at least 1300 if not more units residential

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on the Sino property which is approximately 527 acres. We have another major project, though, announced by Mr.

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Gilmedi, for the Valero development area, which will be mixed use for residential, largely residential.

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I have to say, and then we have almost forgotten the arsenal project for the historic district,

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and that includes possible housing on East-H Street, and we have the Gateway Project,

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East-Eside on Fifth Street, Gateway Project, that is in process over several years.

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But my mind, with such extraordinary, large projects proposed, we, the public cannot

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be waiting for EIRs to be developed on each separate project and expect that we're going

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to get integrated planning. My proposal is that there be a committee formed, broadly

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representative of the community that gets at this proposal, or three development projects

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that are simultaneously being presented with EIRs maybe coming out sometime November or the next

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year, whatever. But they all are aware of each other, but in my history, working with EIRs,

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I know that cumulative impacts is usually a chronic failure of EIRs. Also, you can see

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that each project that's been proposed with whatever sketchy plan that's been made public online

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or in a meeting has largely had a map that only focuses on the planning area, not the whole area

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of the east side. Right now we have no integrated planning. And if we are talking about updating

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our general plan, I want to know what the values are going to be that under- under-lie,

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how we present these projects, how they will be evaluated, et cetera, et cetera. Because right now

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I'm very worried that we're relying on developers and place works to do this work. And we get to

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And then our comments, and then what happens?

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We get an EIR and then it's either,

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you guys vote on it or not.

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But that's not a public process.

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I'm sorry, and I'm really hoping you guys can agree

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that this is very necessary for our community.

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At this huge juncture point, because the changes,

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the east side is going to bear the burdens

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of a lack of planning.

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The East Side Project, the East Fist.

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Is it an example of bringing people together or dialogue, et cetera? But we don't have that now. We're the whole town, really, to be impacted. And is an east side stakeholder? I'm really concerned. Thank you.

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And you're probably aware that in our application to the air district, we are asked for money to do a whole new general plan.

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Yes, and that if that is funded and we hope that it would be that would be the opportunity and we're away overdue to have a revised general plan

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That would be the process where we would have a coordinated

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Integrated overall view look at the entire community and how these different parts

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May I just comment on that though. I'm talking about timing

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If EIRs are going to come out as soon as November

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than by the time you get any funds from the district on the General Plano, be like, hey, who's, you know, the tail's wagging the dog.

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Fair point.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is Myronissa.

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My name is Myronissa.

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And I live at the East End of Portsite Village near East E and East Fifth.

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And I just want to point out that even in the summer,

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We can have a flooding issue if the tide levels are over 60.

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The tide will back up through the storm drains and pond into the driveways,

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and can go into various homes back there.

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Last week we had tide levels of 65 and 67 feet over several nights.

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And a committee of us, my neighbors and myself, had to walk around and make sure

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that no one's home was going to be flooded and we, we would like the city's help to resolve

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this issue.

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The city isn't going to resolve this issue.

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The city should consider buying our homespack at Park of Value and let it be a collection

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on for the coming title rights.

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But this has been happening ever since I moved here 27 years ago.

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So it's not a new issue.

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Thank you.

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All right, thank you.

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Next speaker, Clay Marl.

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Good evening, Mayor, city council members.

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Clay Marl, under local government affairs representative

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for Pacific gas and electric company.

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So I just wanted to come and say hello.

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And also let you know that I'm going to be reaching out to each of you

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individually to meet and give you some updates on some things that are

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going on with the company.

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But then also see what we can do to continue to support the city of

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So I just wanted to reintroduce myself, say hello, and be looking out for some outreach.

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I mean, I look forward to meeting with each of you individually.

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Thank you.

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Welcome back.

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Next speaker is Sohai Takar.

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Good evening, Mary Young.

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And members of the council.

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My name is Sahaja Takar.

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I'm a 14 year old living in Fairfield.

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I remember the Fairfield Youth Commission and the founder of the National Association of Youth Commissions.

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This is a non-profit organization where it's to establish youth commissions and cities where they're not already present.

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which for legislation benefits for the youth and increase the youth access to government.

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We're speaking to you today on a proposal that I've seen work first-hand and is one of the best things that a city can do for its young people.

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I'm asking you to revive with H.A.S. youth commission.

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For some context, the youth commission is a group of young people, typically aged 14 to 25,

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who work to advise the city council and mayor on topics relating to the youth.

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This can range from small issues that affect a few young people of the city-wide youth issues.

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Youth Commission's are creating with the purpose of bridging the gap between the youth of the city and the city's government.

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But Nietzsche did have a youth commission operating in the city, but it ended all operations approximately ten years ago.

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I do not know why.

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The youth commission would be different in just another program.

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And that this isn't the city giving to the youth.

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It's also the youth giving to the city.

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All the city needs to do is give them the chance.

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Cities with youth commissions often see real change in new laws, for example.

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The fearful youth commission is actually working with the city to implement.

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that's a backer retail license, which guides us the issue of smoking in our schools.

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These are the types of opportunities that the need should use need.

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And this wouldn't even be difficult to implement.

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All that is needed is a resolution that would establish the commission.

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And there's, what would also be minimal cost to the city, since there would only be,

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there would only be no need to hire any new individuals,

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since the only adults involved with the commission would be an adult advisor.

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There would also be a very little administrative cost, since the only real cost

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to be holding 5 monthly or monthly meetings.

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furthermore, through the nationals.

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Association of Youth Commissions. I would be happy to offer the city youth free research on how things like cost, appointment, and scope of work to play out.

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I'm requesting the City Council to direct staff to report back on potential to have the City could take in starting commission.

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I'd also be happy to serve as a resource for the city during this process.

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If any member of the council would like to contact me, my number is 707-344-999, or you can contact me through my website, youthcommissions.org.

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If any member to counsel is interested, please contact me and we'll be happy to help out with this process.

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Thank you.

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Can you repeat your phone number again?

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Yeah, at 7.07.

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3, 4, 4, 9, 9, 9, 9.

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Thank you.

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Yes, thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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14 years old.

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And it came to my office yesterday.

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We talked about this.

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I suggest you come back tonight.

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Maybe we can follow up on this.

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Thank you, sir.

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Is there any other audience who would like to make public comment on the agenda?

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Hi.

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Good evening.

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Cathy carriage.

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One long time in Indonesia.

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The air justice.

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The city recently submitted a grant proposal to the air district for a catalyst grant,

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which came back with some suggestions for approval.

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I'd like to ask that there be before the city residents that grant that there be

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more public input into the grant,

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So that we could possibly highlight some red flags or suggest some changes.

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There are a lot of people in our community who have been going to air district years

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for at this point literally decades.

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So I think that there's a lot of valuable community input that could be given

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in order to make the grant more successful.

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And I would like to urge that there be some time before the submission

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we're at the community can review it on completely different topic.

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I want to just let the community know that on August 11th at 7 p.m.

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The Progressive Dems of Venetia will have a Zoom meeting,

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where all of the Democratic candidates for city council and school board

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will be asked to participate.

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So that will be the community's opportunity to hear from them

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and to ask them questions.

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If you'd like to participate in that meeting, you can go to our website, and we'll have contact information,

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or you can email progressive Democrats of Benisha at gmail.com, and we will send you the Zoom link.

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So, thank you very much.

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I think this will be probably one of the first chances for the public to hear from our candidates running for office.

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And we'll also be having a discussion there of measures X, Y, and Z, which the council will be discussing later tonight.

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So it'll give you also an opportunity to ask questions about that.

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Thank you, Kevin.

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Thank you very much.

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If anybody else would like to make a public comment on an item, not on the agenda.

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Seeing one of the room, Mr. Moderator, is anybody online who would like to make public comment?

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All right, then I'll close this portion of the agenda and move on to the consent calendar, and we've got

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those, half a dozen or so items, the minutes from the July 7th, special on regular meeting,

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award of a 14 B is an award of a construction contract and approval of a notice of exemption under

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for the affordable housing at East 4th and L frontage improvement project.

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14C is approval, the second amendment to an agreement with Larry Walker Associates for

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regulatory support for the storm water permit compliance. 14D is an acceptance of the military

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West Pedestrian Bridge as complete and authorizing the city manager to sign the notice

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of completion and authorizing the city clerk to file the same with the Sloan County

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Recorder's office.

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14E is an acceptance of the 2025 Citywide pavement rehab and bicycle pedestrian improvement

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project as complete and authorizing the city manager to sign the notice of completion

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authorizing the city clerk to file the same with the Solana County Recorder's office.

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14F is an acceptance of the water treatment plan, miscellaneous mechanical improvement project.

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14G is the fiscal 2526-3rd-quarter investment report.

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14H is to authorize a city manager to execute an agreement with the Sloan County Sheriff's Office

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to continue to provide animal control services for the city of Anisha.

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14I is the second reading of the adoption of an ordinance adding a new chapter 12.54 to title 12.

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Street sidewalk in public places of the municipal code that has to do with vending approvals.

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And the title 5.28 title 5 business tax slices and regulations to regulate sidewalk vendors.

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And 14J is approval away of reading of all ordinances, it's introduced or adopted pursuant to the agenda.

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I'll first ask my colleagues, are there any items on the exact calendar that they would like to have pulled?

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I see no lights. I'm going to ask the poll 14H and 14I.

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Is there anybody in the audience who would like to pull in the of these items?

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And

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he is not, yes he is present, oh yes, yes ma'am, oh okay, no I am so full, okay and Mr.

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moderating anybody online who would like to pull a night up, all right so I'll accept a motion

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on 14 A, B, C, D, E, F, G, seven, J. Second. We got a motion in a second. Ms. Wolf, please

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call the role. Council members, for it's aye. Yes. Marcus Fata. Yes.

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Ms. Sonsky? Yes. Scott. Yes. And Mary Ann. Yes. And I, okay, that takes us to then 14

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each and that was I pulled that and I got a question for the chief on this item and this

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is an agreement with animal control services out of Fairfield I assume is where animal control

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is situated and right now under our process if there is a need for animal control they call

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made up there and then they need to drive down here and deal with it. One of the biggest

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if not primary issues we have with animal control are dog's offleashes and that happens

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down on the marina and it happens up around the dog park and community park on a regular basis

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on a daily basis and considering that this contract says they requires a phone call to Fairfield

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and then an officer to be dispatched down to Venetia.

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At the time they get here, the issue is, you know, dogs usually go on.

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But my question is, is there a way we can ask or include in the contract,

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a ability to have

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a animal control officer assigned here on a intermittent basis, a couple days a week, 8am to 9am,

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something like that, so that we don't have to, so we actually have somebody here.

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what it's needed.

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Is that something we're going to add to the contract?

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There might be a cost associated with that.

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And just to clarify, for instance,

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the layout was also a contract city.

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And so a lot of the animal patrol officers

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are not maybe operating out of a building.

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They're actually mobile.

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And so their response time is usually pretty quick.

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I think our agreement is that they need response within one hour.

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But we also instructed our staff who has the ability to also write off

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citations to periodically also patrol those areas as well. And so our community serves

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officers, our patrol officers routinely patrol those areas.

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I hope you're ready to just leave it as it is.

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I am aware of the issues down there. As a matter of fact, this week we've ridden several

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off-leash citations for that specific area. And that was also done by Craig.

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And then that general area downtown, where we receive the most complaints, several citations actually.

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And those were written by the Anam Patrol Officers from Psyllot County.

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Because we have requested some additional patrol down there, and so they took care of that.

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Well, let me, we don't need to write it into the contract.

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I just wanted to bring it to your attention, their attention, that it's an ongoing issue.

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And it sounds like you are aware of it, and it's being addressed.

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We also created, you may have seen some signage that we put down there, just kind of

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notifying the public, because many people, I think, they're not aware of the

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off-leash laws, and so we put signage down there that's visible to the public, and

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we also distributed flyers as well, just to kind of educate people.

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All right, good.

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Thank you.

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With that, I will move the item.

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All right, second.

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Public comment?

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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Thanks.

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Any public comment on this item?

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Or you look like you're about to get up?

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You're a resident down there, you may have a doctor.

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If we know how many citations have been issued for off-wish animals, this contract has been given over previous years?

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Well, I certainly don't know, but if the chief goes off the top of his head, he can respond.

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I do have some notes. I don't believe I have that

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number in my notes. I can provide that to you at a later time.

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But it's in the hundreds would you say from the beginning I would say it's in the hundreds plus a bad

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I would I would estimate to be less than that. I don't have the number from me

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Okay

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Yes, since the contract was the last contract was approved

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That was a question since the last contract was approved. Yeah, I would have to do a little research

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I don't have that. Okay. All right. Thank you any other public comment on the animal control services contract

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Anybody online who would like to speak to this issue?

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No, there is.

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All right.

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Then I will make a motion to approve it.

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I will second it.

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All right.

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Ms. Wolf, please call the roll.

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Help some of your sports.

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Yes.

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Largis Fata?

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Yes.

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Ms. Sensky?

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Yes.

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Scott?

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Yes.

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And there you go.

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Yes.

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And 14.

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I pulled simply for the opportunity to vote on this separately.

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And so, I opposed it last time I will post this time, but he's one opportunity to get my vote on the record.

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So, with that I can, you want to sort of make a motion?

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I don't know, it's a public comment.

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Is there anybody who would like to speak to this issue?

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Having to do with the vendors' ordinance.

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I don't see anything in the room.

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Is there anybody on mine who would like to speak to this issue?

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All right, I will move to approve 149.

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Second, we have a motion in a second, Ms. Wolf, please go the roll.

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Council members, birdside? Yes.

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Larga Spada? Yes.

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Ms. Sandsky?

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Yes.

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Scott? Yes.

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And Mary, yeah.

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No.

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And with that, we will move on to our business items.

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And our first business item is 15A and approval to place a limited city charter and real property transfer tax ballot measure on the November 3rd, 2026 ballot.

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And that will be presented by Ms. Shockey.

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Good evening, Marya and Council.

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Yes, I'm Sarah Shockey. I'm the deputy city manager and happy to present this item to you tonight.

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And I think it's a, first of all, of course I'm here to answer questions and we're joined online by our consultant, Michael, who you've met in the past and he's here for additional questions if the council were to have those this evening.

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And I wanted to be able to kick off this item by just reminding ourselves of the why.

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I don't know why. Why are we doing this so this is really an opportunity for us to capitalize on the development that the city is going to see. We have not seen development in our town in almost 30 years. And so here we are really I think our city manager has poetically described it as planting the seeds of a tree that we won't sit under his shade.

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you know, just really thinking long-term about how investing and collecting a real property

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transfer tax will truly impact the future of our city and the opportunity that is before

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us with multiple development projects from the Rose Estate's property, the potential with

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signature development at the Valero property, along with many other sites that you're already familiar with.

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Jefferson Ridge, Potentially Uba, et cetera. There's a lot of development on the horizon.

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And when we talk about development paying its fair share, well, oftentimes that's an initial

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opportunity by securing these measures, we're ensuring that those developments end up paying into a long-term,

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long term support of city services and so with that I am bringing forward the action for the city council this evening regarding measure why the limited city charter and measure see the real property transfer tax.

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Thank you, up to not more.

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I'm going to cover three slides or just less and five slides pretty quickly.

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This slide covers the...

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covers the history of the dates that we've had the opportunity to discuss with the City Council

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in the public, dating back from our goal setting workshop, and you can also see that there was

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two publicly noticed public hearings that occurred on May 19, and June 23rd. So just really

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wanting to remind council in the public that we have discussed this on numerous occasions.

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The next slide is identifying future dates. Should the council take action this evening?

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to move to adopt the resolutions, then these are some of the next steps that would take place.

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These dates are provided by the Solano County Register of Voters.

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So these are some of the next steps.

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And then should the council take the action in November voters would have the opportunity to consider these measures.

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And then the results are then determined based on the certification of the election results.

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So, we are including a measure of why protecting beneath this future part one limited charter.

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And the ballot question is included in your resolution and it's included here in the PowerPoint.

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In addition, we have measure Z protecting beneath this future part two of the real property transfer tax.

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And so we did our best to truly, even with the way we ask the questions to interlink them to showcase that they are connected.

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Only charter cities are eligible to charge or real property transfer tax and therefore,

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but residents would need to approve both in order for them to move forward.

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And so the requested action before the City Council this evening, it would be two independent

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actions to adopt the resolution for Measure Y to place it on the November 3rd, 206

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ballot and then adopt the resolution for Measure Z. And with that, now I am finished.

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Thank you. We're available for questions.

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All right, let's first turn to my colleagues on the council to see if there's any questions for

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Sarah on her presentation, and I'll include Vice Madam of Sensky in that question.

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I did see one might from Councilor Murska.

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I just have one question about the wording, the ballot measure wording, of measure

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why.

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And I'm sorry,

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and I just wonder is it a bit confusing and can we simplify it to be a little

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more direct and also not bury the lead. And I think part of the bearing the lead is the

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one purpose only. And so is there the chance to change the wording?

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If we were going to change the wording, then this evening is the last opportunity that we

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have to do so. There are a lot of rules around the way that we ask the questions, including

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a word count and including word count and then a few other things. So if there is a specific

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recommendation, then I'm going to end up counting our, I'm going to end up counting our

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words from the dies, but if there's a specific recommendation, I'm happy to facilitate the

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I think it's also beneficial to note that this is probably like past the 100th version of this question.

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I staff has spent a lot of time invested in how we asked the question, but if there's something that we have missed or a way to make it even clearer, we ended up moving forward with something.

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Michelle the city of Benisha adopted limited city charter that does only one thing.

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Allow the real property transfer tax in measure Z to take effect if voters approve both measures

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Y and Z, while everything else about how the city is governed stays the same.

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So we were hoping that this would be something that was simple and easy to understand and connect how the two are linked.

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But again, happy to I'm going to pull up a word doc here and happy to take feedback.

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So I ask the council member if he has some proposed language.

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And I do, and it's basically just slightly rewarding it, and it is just for your consideration.

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And I would suggest, should Banisha or Sha'al Banisha adopt the limited city charter.

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Here's the change. With one purpose only to allow voters to enact a real property transfer tax under

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measures Z, nothing else about the city, is city government would change.

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Well, that doesn't change the word count. The word is actually one less word that you put in there.

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So before we, but I think the answer is we could go with that if that was the direction

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from the council.

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Mr. Stock, do you see any problem with that?

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Change?

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No, I mean, as Miss Stocky pointed out, there's some issues governing the wording, but as long

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as the, it's under 75 words and it starts in the question is shall, the election.

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and it's written in a neutral fashion.

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That is acceptable and you can make those changes tonight.

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Okay, we'll hang on to that language.

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And we will ask if there is, well first,

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we'll go to Vice Mayor Ms. Shensky.

451
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,220
Oh, I'm sorry, it's not Vice Mayor.

452
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:10,020
It's Council Member Largis.

453
00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:14,640
Through the chair, I have a question for Council Member Scott.

454
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:20,350
What's the material difference between this

455
00:36:20,350 --> 00:36:28,750
and your statement. They sound nearly identical and or maybe, maybe you see, what's your

456
00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:31,030
concern with the language has written?

457
00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:39,730
Excuse me. I think some of the reason why we lost the, while this measure died the first

458
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:46,170
time is because people felt that we were adopting, we were going to a city charter that would change

459
00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:55,270
other powers within the city. And by saying with one purpose only, it says specifically this is

460
00:36:55,270 --> 00:37:03,070
only about a real property transfer tax. We are not suggesting any other change. So it's addressing

461
00:37:03,070 --> 00:37:16,150
what I believe was the key learning that came out of the loss, particularly as I related to the

462
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:25,690
more powers. So this is a dot the limited city charter with one purpose only, and then if I

463
00:37:25,690 --> 00:37:34,670
I'm part of my direction, if I may, council number, can you read again verbatim your proposed language

464
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:40,770
so staff can document that? And just to be clear, we need to say city of Benisha. I think in your

465
00:37:40,770 --> 00:37:45,470
first version you abbreviated. So it needs to say shout of the city of Benisha, but if you could continue

466
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:50,010
Slowly read your suggested change so we can note it.

467
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:51,370
I will.

468
00:37:53,350 --> 00:37:58,410
Shell, the city of Banisha, adopted a limited city charter

469
00:37:58,410 --> 00:38:07,010
with one purpose only to allow voters to enact a real property

470
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:14,330
transferred tax under Measure Z. Nothing else about the city

471
00:38:14,330 --> 00:38:16,550
government would change.

472
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:37,770
Do you have that text in front of you? I haven't. Can you just text it to me?

473
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:41,650
Or even? I mean, no, no, I haven't. You're written. I can text you.

474
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:42,910
You can. Oh, okay.

475
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:51,350
Yeah.

476
00:38:57,060 --> 00:39:00,220
I don't see any other lights from the day, yes.

477
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,580
Vice Mayor, did you have any questions?

478
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,100
No, that's fine. Terrence and Johnson modifications.

479
00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:12,220
Then let's open it up to public comment and see if there's anybody in the room who would like to make

480
00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:19,140
public comment on the proposed language for measures X and Y. I'm sorry, Y and Z.

481
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:24,890
Don't see anybody in the audience, is there anybody online who would like to speak to this issue?

482
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:27,610
I'm sorry, we do have somebody miss Grundman.

483
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:39,820
I'll just say that I think I agree with Council Member Scott's where he's heading with this.

484
00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:56,200
I think it isn't entirely appropriate to address the concerns that some citizens had with

485
00:39:58,570 --> 00:39:59,730
potentially.

486
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:10,260
We gravitating to more and more power, even though that's not possible. The perceived potential

487
00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:20,000
with using taking more power. So I agree that you should consider that.

488
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,760
All right. Thank you. I hope you understood what I was saying. Thank you.

489
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,200
We gave Ms. Bourdain.

490
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,340
I would second that, Maurice said, I think just saying it strongly,

491
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:36,200
Shavel, and that this is the only purpose.

492
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,500
That needs to be stated flatly like that. Thank you.

493
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,900
All right. Thank you.

494
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,380
Is anybody online who would like to speak to this issue?

495
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,680
All right. Then I'll return it to the council for action.

496
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:57,620
And what the request is, the two recommendations associated with the item, the first is to move

497
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,440
and adopt a resolution shown as a attachment one, authorizing the placement of the limited

498
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,880
city charter ballot measure with the proposed ordinance to own as a attachment one exhibit

499
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,600
egg.

500
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:15,340
On the November 3rd, 2026 General Election ballot and two moved to adopt a resolution, authorizing

501
00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:19,920
the placement of the real property transfer tax ballot measure with the proposed ordinance

502
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:27,880
attachment to exhibit a on the November 3rd, 2026 general election ballot. So that is the recommendations.

503
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Do we have a presentation?

504
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,260
Yeah, that was a transfer text.

505
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:38,680
Oh, Mr.

506
00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:39,800
Yeah.

507
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:40,980
We haven't done X yet.

508
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,700
We just started with Y and Z.

509
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,820
Yeah, I'm saying that.

510
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:45,720
Yeah.

511
00:41:49,800 --> 00:42:03,840
I want to talk about, can we have the slide up again? Thank you. I think that the existing

512
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:12,260
language captures the intent of what we want to do better than with one purpose only.

513
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:19,740
We're saying that this limited city charter can only do one thing.

514
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:25,220
I think updating the language with one purpose only is

515
00:42:25,220 --> 00:42:32,120
fuzzier than a limited charter that does one thing only

516
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,420
allow the real property transfer tax and measures E.

517
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:45,120
I think with one purpose only is squishier than the current language.

518
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,100
How about if we said?

519
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:47,940
I'm sorry we don't.

520
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,020
Yeah I guess so.

521
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:49,600
No one.

522
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,400
I don't want to take off.

523
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:52,300
If you don't.

524
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,580
What if we said?

525
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,320
Joe the city of Venetia dot a limited city charter that only does one thing.

526
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,480
Go on.

527
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,100
But that does only one thing.

528
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:06,020
Yeah, that doesn't.

529
00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:09,140
But it says, you're saying move the only up?

530
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:14,340
Yeah, that only does one thing, cool, allow for.

531
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:22,330
Council, members, Scott, can you explain your reasoning

532
00:43:22,330 --> 00:43:25,570
why this doesn't work and one purpose only works?

533
00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:31,390
Because to me, with one purpose, that's a purpose.

534
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:35,030
But it doesn't say that it can only do one thing.

535
00:43:37,810 --> 00:43:38,650
Okay.

536
00:43:40,850 --> 00:43:46,550
Thank you for that. I'm going to try to figure out how to respond. I think we need to

537
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:53,710
speak in people's speak. And I think this is just typical, and I mean this with no disrespect.

538
00:43:54,530 --> 00:44:01,150
This is ballot speak. And I think that we need to talk the way people talk. I don't think

539
00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:05,770
people say that does only one thing starting with shall, et cetera.

540
00:44:06,190 --> 00:44:15,710
I think with one purpose only, I think that the key learning, again, that we got from

541
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:22,450
the last go-round, was that it was going to be used for other purposes, not other things.

542
00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:27,470
I know this is a wordsmith thing, but other purposes, the purposes are maybe giving more

543
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:32,270
power to the mayor and more purposes to change the planning or whatever it might be.

544
00:44:32,330 --> 00:44:40,470
I think it speaks directly in the language that our residents speak and understand.

545
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:45,910
Again, to me, I'll flip it back.

546
00:44:46,330 --> 00:44:51,930
I think this is just slightly a little squishy and the only one thing because I originally

547
00:44:51,930 --> 00:44:59,950
marked it up the way the mayor did. And just by moving the only. And I thought, no, I-

548
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:20,640
I think we need to be, I can't believe we're doing this. We're only creating a little bit more confusion and just say, for one purpose only, the purpose is to get to the next measure. You gotta do this in order to get to that. So that probably did not.

549
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,000
And I would support your language.

550
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,980
If I may.

551
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:28,860
If I may.

552
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:42,880
If it's the direction of council to go with the offered language by council member Scott, I would recommend a recess because we want to make sure that your offered language is legally consistent.

553
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,200
For example, it does not reference both measures that need to be approved.

554
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:57,140
It also suggests that the power only allows the voters to vote on it not actually enacted.

555
00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:04,260
So, understand as Sarah noted, the language that was vetted by staff and legal.

556
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:11,860
And so, if it's direction of counsel, I'd ask for recess so that we can make sure that it meets legal standards.

557
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:12,980
I have concerns.

558
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,300
We just vote out.

559
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,360
Well, that we've come back and change it.

560
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:24,420
So if it's the desire of counsel to be that that the recommended language by council and

561
00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:29,460
or Scott is the way you want to go, we need to take a recess to make sure that it's appropriate.

562
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:34,340
Because I think it's lacking in certain needed aspects.

563
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,100
So another option would be that only authorizes one thing.

564
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,480
rather than does only one thing. Maybe that's a good,

565
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:48,080
but

566
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,340
we need to get some consensus between the

567
00:46:55,340 --> 00:47:01,840
five of us, which of those we would like to have staff look at, and we can't take a short

568
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:11,080
recess to allow that to happen. So we got one purpose only, we've got authorizes only authorizes

569
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:16,800
one thing. If it's the will of council, and we want to modify that first sentence and substitute

570
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:24,900
out one thing for one purpose, that is a far easier fix. That has only one purpose.

571
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:43,030
I think I'm with Councilwoman Verdesi in that the language is fine as it is.

572
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:56,630
So I believe I'm with Councilwoman Verdesi this evening on this item, where the language as is clear and appropriate.

573
00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:07,310
So, I think what we have is a split ending for the vice mayor and his direction.

574
00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:11,590
And the reason why I want to point that out is I just want to make sure that there is a majority

575
00:48:11,590 --> 00:48:14,530
to move forward before we call recess these guys get right in.

576
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:16,810
And I must put this item, it takes forward.

577
00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:18,430
I support staff for recommendation.

578
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:22,390
It takes forward members of the Council to put this on the bow.

579
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:23,350
We need to forward.

580
00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:31,770
If I may, um, with the modification to reach of a city of Benisha, adopt a limited city chart

581
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:38,750
charter that has a single purpose, allow the real property transfer tax on measure z to take

582
00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:43,750
effect if voters approve both measures y and z. Well, everything else about how the city

583
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:49,190
is governed stays the same. That works for me. That has only one purpose. That's fine.

584
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:54,250
For the benefit of the city clerk, would you like me to read it one more time?

585
00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:58,650
The only changes in that first sentence are the first clause.

586
00:48:59,010 --> 00:49:06,670
Shall the city of Banisha adopt a limited city charter that has a single purpose, allow

587
00:49:06,670 --> 00:49:13,530
the real property transfer tax in measures e to take effect, and voters approve both measures

588
00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:19,090
why, and Z, well, everything else about how the city is government stays the same.

589
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,920
It does not. If the council is comfortable with that change.

590
00:49:30,940 --> 00:49:38,720
Technically, I'm not paying. Actually, vote. Okay. But for the language, put it on a doubt. Okay.

591
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,560
And vice mayor, you're okay with that?

592
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:53,340
In the proposed language. Okay. That means I think we have consensus. So let's

593
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,000
I don't want to know on the action.

594
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,500
But yes, on the language, can't do that. No, it's the language, it's the language, it's the resolution, it's the package, the resolution, it's the packet deal.

595
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:10,660
We appreciate the council members assistance for the language.

596
00:50:11,740 --> 00:50:17,320
Okay. So it's a single motion with two parts.

597
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:19,820
And I read it before.

598
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:26,050
Two motions. Two motions. Correct.

599
00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:32,310
Do we need to take two separate actions, two separate votes?

600
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:40,230
All right, so the first would be to adopt a resolution authorizing the placement of the limited city charter ballot measure.

601
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:42,150
But you could vote for if you wanted.

602
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:46,310
With the, well, I mean, it's not the transfer tax.

603
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:48,030
It's the, it's the other one.

604
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:54,330
Authorizing the placement of a limited city charter ballot measure with the proposed ordinance.

605
00:50:54,330 --> 00:50:57,890
on the November 3rd, 2026 General Election ballot.

606
00:51:00,220 --> 00:51:01,560
I will move that item.

607
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:03,000
Oh, second.

608
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,920
And Ms. Wolf, please call the roll.

609
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,760
Council members, Berzai? Yes.

610
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,420
Larga Spada? Yes.

611
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:14,600
Ms. Sensky? Yes.

612
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:16,860
Scott? Yes.

613
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:18,420
And Marianne? Yes.

614
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,200
And that takes us to the second port,

615
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,180
which is to adopt any resolution,

616
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:30,840
authorizing the placement of the real property transfer tax ballot, measure with the proposed ordinance attachment to exhibit a on the November 3rd

617
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,840
26 general election ballot. I will move that item and I'm a second that I

618
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:44,780
All right, Ms. Wolf, please call the roll count some members for it's I. Yes, Largis Bada. No

619
00:51:44,780 --> 00:51:45,760
Ms. Sonsky

620
00:51:47,660 --> 00:51:51,220
Yes, Scott. Yes, and Marianne. Yes

621
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:59,320
So, that takes us to convene B, which is the business license tax modernization measure.

622
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,000
And this is an approval of a proposed ordinance and adoption of an election resolution

623
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,500
and an approval of a ballot question, and this is presented by the City Manager, Mr.

624
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:11,040
Giuliani.

625
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:12,840
Thank you, Mayor.

626
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:19,740
As noted in the previous presentation, this slide highlights all the opportunities we have

627
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:22,640
to discuss this item with the City Council.

628
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,820
We will not kind of belabor the process and various models.

629
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:29,940
But any time I have an opportunity to talk about the business license

630
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:34,880
modernization, I think it's worth noting that should this be successful in November

631
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:41,940
more than 1,800 finishes businesses that pay a license today would pay zero next year in

632
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,800
We were at following tonight's action, should the Council approve putting it on the ballot?

633
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,600
We will have on August 7th, a registered submission deadline for our ordinance.

634
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,340
On the 12th, we have the impartial analysis.

635
00:52:57,740 --> 00:53:00,080
This is due, the 14th arguments are due.

636
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:02,900
The federal arguments are due on the 18th of August.

637
00:53:03,340 --> 00:53:05,200
The election is on November 3rd.

638
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:12,600
if passed, we would follow up with certifying that election, and the new rates would go into

639
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,380
effect in 2020, 7.

640
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,460
Here's what's most important, and I shall read it for the benefit of those in the room.

641
00:53:20,820 --> 00:53:27,640
Measure X, the Benisha Business License Modernization, shall the city of Benisha adopt a business

642
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:34,860
licensed tax measure, exempting businesses with 100,000 or less in annual receipts,

643
00:53:35,180 --> 00:53:43,860
setting tax rates by business category, ranging from $25 to $1,000 to $1,000 in receipts,

644
00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:51,660
capping those annual taxes at $1,500 in the first year with 10% annual increases until the

645
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:57,960
is $25,000. With a separate marine terminal rate of $3 per $100 in receipts, generating

646
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:03,780
approximately $590,000 in the first year until we're peeled by voters. And before members of

647
00:54:03,780 --> 00:54:09,360
the audience or council ask, I'm unlike the charter city, there are far more requirements in

648
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,060
this ballot question than was the charter. For example, we need to put in the rates,

649
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:21,180
we need to put in what the total campus of $25,000. These things are important. We have to note

650
00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:23,280
the approximate revenue that would be generated.

651
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:25,220
So those are all requirements.

652
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,920
Now, we have the staff recommended approach, however,

653
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:34,680
we also have an alternate ballot language

654
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,860
suggested by Mary Young yesterday.

655
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,460
And the only change here is we are putting the establishing

656
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:43,420
a separate rate for marine terminal

657
00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:46,420
before the other business category rates.

658
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:59,820
With that Council can provide any feedback or direction, open it up for public comment and then return to Council for a vote and like the last measure.

659
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,400
This two acquires four affirmative votes to be placed on the ballot.

660
00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:06,060
It's asking to answer any questions.

661
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,020
All right. And this seems to be a lot longer that it's still within 75 words.

662
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:11,720
Breck.

663
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:29,980
Okay. And the reason I suggested this alternate language was because I believe that the

664
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:38,880
measure the ballot language so that it focuses first on the 1800 businesses, do we want to say

665
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,160
or can we say 1800 businesses or 1900 businesses, whatever it is, or no, we had that discussion,

666
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:46,280
that's right, so that number will change.

667
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:54,490
That those two items, the exempting businesses under

668
00:55:54,490 --> 00:56:12,650
$100,000 in grocery seats and the marine terminal tax, I think are likely to be more popular with the voters and that was my only reason to suggest moving them up to the top of the language and moving the other language down to the bottom.

669
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:13,970
It's just my suggestion.

670
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:16,110
Councilwoman Birdside.

671
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:22,370
Is the city manager in the city attorney okay with this alternate language?

672
00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:24,630
Voice?

673
00:56:30,020 --> 00:56:35,350
Well, it does challenge the exception.

674
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:38,220
Good.

675
00:56:42,370 --> 00:56:44,370
Give staff a moment to take a look at this.

676
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:34,160
Okay, so to offer Council the issue that staff is dealing with now, as we go back to the original resolution,

677
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:42,480
the exempting businesses with 100,000 or less setting the tax rates by business is important,

678
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,840
because that exemption applies to those business categories.

679
00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:48,680
That exemption does not apply to the marine terminal.

680
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:55,860
And so by placing the marine terminal ahead of the business categories, it messes up the exemption.

681
00:57:58,790 --> 00:58:05,610
So with that notation, I think staff would recommend our recommended language.

682
00:58:06,030 --> 00:58:10,370
Even though they're never going to be below 100,000 dollars in growth receipts, presumably.

683
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:13,710
That's not necessarily true.

684
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:18,670
Any other questions for staff?

685
00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:20,710
I'll start with Vice President Scott.

686
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:23,290
I'm sorry.

687
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:25,450
Calvin, I was gone.

688
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:33,970
I'm a little confused about the amount that it generates.

689
00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:41,210
There's not a period in the entire sentence or it's a one sentence.

690
00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:50,490
So, is the marine, and I'm looking at it, without knowing the answer to this, all right?

691
00:58:50,590 --> 00:58:54,810
I know the answer because I've been in meetings and understanding what the marine term

692
00:58:54,810 --> 00:59:02,610
will generate, but I'm looking at it from the reader's perspective, is the marine terminal

693
00:59:02,610 --> 00:59:13,090
going to generate approximately $590,000 in the first year, or is the entire city of

694
00:59:13,090 --> 00:59:23,290
Benisha tax, the full tax modernization, including everything on business licenses and

695
00:59:23,290 --> 00:59:30,750
terminal generating a approximately $590,000 in the first year.

696
00:59:32,050 --> 00:59:39,110
Well, in vital, Michael Barrett to offer his thoughts on the generating approximate amount.

697
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:45,170
The approximate amount, to just offer, up a ride just clarity of the Michael Union

698
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:45,570
chime in.

699
00:59:45,790 --> 00:59:52,490
The 592 is the approximate amount for all taxes generated from the business license tax.

700
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:54,770
except for the marine terminal.

701
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:56,610
Except for the marine terminal.

702
00:59:57,110 --> 00:59:59,950
The marine terminal is not something that is...

703
01:00:02,540 --> 01:00:11,620
So, I'll offer Michael can offer further explanation and then seat council direction if you would like to exclude the potential revenue from re-interminal.

704
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:17,520
And if that total would be about 1.6 million, we could do that number, or you leave it at 592.

705
01:00:18,020 --> 01:00:19,540
But Michael can offer his thoughts.

706
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:32,480
So this is like a very from city attorney's office and I would characterize the 590,000 slightly differently than the city manager just did.

707
01:00:33,340 --> 01:00:47,540
I would characterize it as that is the city's staff's estimate of the annual revenue in that first year and that's the way the question is written approximately 590,000 in the first year.

708
01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:58,400
So what's suggested to summarize is that we currently estimate that there is no tax going to be generated in the first year at the Marine Terminary, is my understanding.

709
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:10,440
And so it's perhaps as much a question as a statement, but, but it is my understanding that that $592,000 represents the city's estimate of the total revenue received in the first year.

710
01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:12,500
That's what that number should reflect.

711
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:25,060
But if you have to explain it, it seems to be a little misleading because we're not going to be able to explain that when they're in the ballot and they're reading it.

712
01:01:25,180 --> 01:01:38,920
It seems as though that it includes marine terminal revenue, even though we know it's not including marine terminal revenue.

713
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:49,880
Staff is, as a council direction, staff is certainly fine with modifying the estimated revenue to be 1.6 million, 12,000.

714
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,080
That would include the marine terminal.

715
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:52,780
In the first.

716
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:53,560
Correct.

717
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,900
We're comfortable proceeding in any direction the council would like to go.

718
01:01:59,780 --> 01:02:05,700
I'm more comfortable with that because I think it's a little more transparent about the actual receipts.

719
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:15,980
And I don't think that's going to, you know, cause somebody to vote against it if it's a higher number but it's certainly necessary to talk about the potential.

720
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:23,060
And because what the 3D is, we know that we're going to lose money on exempting the 1800 businesses.

721
01:02:23,060 --> 01:02:37,540
We're depending on the tier of business you're in for the rest that's going to go up or down in the Marine Terminal we expect would generate a positive return for attacks.

722
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:44,640
So to me, the one point, what is it? 1.6? 1.6? 12,000.

723
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:50,920
To me, that's more accurate and more transparent for the voters. That would be my thought.

724
01:02:52,940 --> 01:02:58,850
I was just going to state like deja vu.

725
01:02:58,850 --> 01:03:01,530
I support the staff recommendation.

726
01:03:02,270 --> 01:03:04,330
I don't know if we're still talking about your changes,

727
01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:07,490
because if it gets clear, it's logical,

728
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:11,670
it's well structured, the commas are on the right place.

729
01:03:12,190 --> 01:03:19,430
If we want to change the revenue estimate from 592 to 1.6,

730
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:21,930
that is fine, but staff recommendation,

731
01:03:24,130 --> 01:03:26,050
that's the way it very clear, it's structured,

732
01:03:27,730 --> 01:03:30,590
I understand your intent, but putting Marina in the middle of that thing,

733
01:03:32,030 --> 01:03:36,650
had the opposite effect, I mean, it got very confusing. Okay. Okay.

734
01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:40,630
Vice Mayor, Ms. Sonsky, did you have some comments on this?

735
01:03:42,610 --> 01:03:43,790
No, no, no, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

736
01:03:43,790 --> 01:03:49,030
It's now a recommendation, I think it just makes it a little bit more concise, which will hopefully help.

737
01:03:49,030 --> 01:03:53,050
So you're good with the staff recommended language.

738
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,760
OK, do we take the public comment?

739
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,440
All right, let's open it up to public comment.

740
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,400
Is everybody in the room who would like to make comment

741
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,840
on this business-liced modernization ballot measure?

742
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,580
All right, seeing no one as anybody online who would like

743
01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:17,140
to make public comment on this item?

744
01:04:17,140 --> 01:04:18,000
No, no, no.

745
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,480
Then I'll return it back to the council for action.

746
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:26,420
What we're at being asked here is a motion to adopt a resolution, authorizing a placement

747
01:04:26,420 --> 01:04:31,480
of the business license tax ballot measure with a proposed ordinance attached from one

748
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:38,320
exhibits say through fee on the November 3rd, 2026 general election ballot and I will make

749
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:39,440
that motion.

750
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:45,100
And I will second that motion with the clarification of the estimated revenue of the change from

751
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:47,520
592.0.6.

752
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,260
Whatever the actual number do we need?

753
01:04:51,060 --> 01:04:52,900
1.6.

754
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,360
1.600,600,600,000.

755
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:58,600
So that's the motion.

756
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,960
Any other comment? If not, Ms. Wolff, please call the roll.

757
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:13,460
Council members, for example. Yes. Largis Bada. Yes. Ms. Sensky. Yes. Scott. Yes.

758
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:20,540
And Mary. Yes. And that takes us to item 15C, which is a resolution providing for and requesting

759
01:05:20,540 --> 01:05:26,460
the Solano County Board of Supervisors, to permit the ready for our voters to provide specified

760
01:05:26,460 --> 01:05:31,700
services in connection with the general municipal election to be held on November 3rd.

761
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,160
This is, well, it's going to make a presentation, something to present here as well.

762
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:41,980
Yes, this is a procedural item, and as you said, it's the proposed resolution providing for

763
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:46,480
and requesting the Board of Supervisors to make the Board of Directors to provide specified

764
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:53,180
services in connection with the general municipal election to be held November 3rd, 26, and

765
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:57,380
This required pursuant elections code 100002.

766
01:05:57,860 --> 01:06:00,440
And the recommendation is to adopt the proposed resolution,

767
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,860
which will enable the city of Benicia to obtain the services

768
01:06:03,860 --> 01:06:07,520
of the registrar voters office for the November 3rd,

769
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:08,900
2026 elections.

770
01:06:10,340 --> 01:06:12,520
All right, very good.

771
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,220
Any questions from his wolf?

772
01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:15,600
All right.

773
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,160
Is there anybody in the audience who would like to call

774
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,320
a comment on this item?

775
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,340
And is there anybody online who would like to speak to the side of Mr. moderator?

776
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,120
No, there's no.

777
01:06:27,340 --> 01:06:27,640
All right.

778
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:28,600
Then let's bring it back.

779
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:32,220
And I will move the item, which is to adopt the resolution attachment.

780
01:06:32,420 --> 01:06:35,020
And they will be in the city beneath to obtain the services.

781
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,460
The register of voters for the November 3rd, 2026 election.

782
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:39,780
Make that motion.

783
01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:41,000
And I will second.

784
01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:41,800
All right.

785
01:06:41,860 --> 01:06:42,860
We have a motion in a second.

786
01:06:43,020 --> 01:06:44,020
Ms. Wolf, please call the roll.

787
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:44,960
Council members.

788
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:45,520
First.

789
01:06:45,820 --> 01:06:46,120
Yes.

790
01:06:46,120 --> 01:07:05,120
Marcus Bada. Yes. We're Sonsky. Yes. Scott. Yes. And Mary. Yes. And that takes us to 15D, a resolution calling for the general municipal election on November 20, November 3, 20, 26, and fees related to that election. And I guess this is also from this wall.

791
01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:16,700
The proposed resolution meets the requirement of government code calling for the

792
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:21,280
original municipal election, setting the date for that election and identifying the officers

793
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,560
for the city of which the election is proposed.

794
01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:29,280
It also continues the past practice of waving the statement fees for the candidates.

795
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,600
The recommendation is to move to adopt the resolution calling for and give a notice of the

796
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:41,660
general municipal election to be held Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026, and waving fees for the

797
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:44,080
candidates, publication of their statements.

798
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:49,320
Just to read the resolutions so that you understand that it includes everything, it's the

799
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,780
resolution of the City Council of the City of Venetia calling for and giving notice of

800
01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:58,780
holding a general municipal election to be held Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026, the election

801
01:07:58,780 --> 01:08:05,520
of two city council members. Measure X, Benisha business license, modernization. Measure Y,

802
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:11,520
protecting Benisha's future, part 1, limited charter, and measure Z, protecting Benisha's future,

803
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:17,240
part 2, real property transfer tax, and as required by the provisions of the laws of the state

804
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:23,260
of California relating to the general law cities and waving the fees for candidates. And if they

805
01:08:23,260 --> 01:08:25,360
sign the voluntary code of fair campaign practices.

806
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:34,180
All right, thank you. I think that's sort of in the form of emotion. I will make that motion as described by this wolf.

807
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:38,250
Is there a second?

808
01:08:39,290 --> 01:08:40,930
We do public comment on this slide.

809
01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:48,470
Oh, yeah. Oh, I apologize. Is there anybody in the audience who would like to speak to the issue of putting this on the ballot?

810
01:08:49,710 --> 01:08:52,390
Seeing none as anybody online would like to make public comment on that.

811
01:08:53,890 --> 01:08:58,630
All right, then, in that case, I will make the motion as described by Ms. Wolf.

812
01:08:59,110 --> 01:09:00,770
And I will second it.

813
01:09:00,930 --> 01:09:01,970
Ms. Wolf, please call the roll.

814
01:09:02,150 --> 01:09:03,570
Council members, Berzai?

815
01:09:04,130 --> 01:09:04,770
Largis Fada?

816
01:09:04,930 --> 01:09:05,210
Yes.

817
01:09:05,410 --> 01:09:06,030
Ms. Sensky?

818
01:09:07,710 --> 01:09:08,030
Yes.

819
01:09:08,370 --> 01:09:08,630
Scott?

820
01:09:09,170 --> 01:09:09,430
Yes.

821
01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:10,410
And Maryja?

822
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:11,070
Yes.

823
01:09:11,250 --> 01:09:16,890
And that takes us to 15E with your zoning amendments for commercial recreation

824
01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:21,990
and outdoor food services, Ms. Torson.

825
01:09:23,730 --> 01:09:26,150
Good evening, Mayor and City Council. I'm Suzanne Torson,

826
01:09:26,330 --> 01:09:29,070
Assistant City Manager and Development Services Director.

827
01:09:29,770 --> 01:09:31,590
In this evening, I'm joined by Dave Einstein.

828
01:09:33,490 --> 01:09:37,690
Dave is ruining us as a senior planner on behalf of the City of Benisha,

829
01:09:38,250 --> 01:09:42,430
and we'll be presenting proposed zoning amendments for your consideration this evening.

830
01:09:45,540 --> 01:09:46,500
Thank you, Suzanne.

831
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:56,960
So the next item before you is a proposal for two amendments to the Benecia Municipal Code specifically to our zoning ordinance.

832
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,940
The first is...

833
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:13,000
And amendment, pertaining to commercial recreation uses in our limited industrial zone. And the second is a proposal to allow outdoor food service in our mixed use in fill zone.

834
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:24,180
The actions before you tonight, when we're done, we'll ask you to hold a public hearing on this item and introduce the ordinance that would make these amendments.

835
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:32,170
Okay, a little bit of background on each of these two items will start first with the commercial

836
01:10:32,170 --> 01:10:35,490
recreation item in our limited industrial zone.

837
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:39,230
There we go.

838
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:45,970
This item actually began as a part of a project that you may be familiar with from last year,

839
01:10:46,270 --> 01:10:51,990
the commercial streamlining project, which was a fairly large collection of amendments to

840
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:59,350
city zoning ordinance in downtown master plan with the intent of streamlining our regulations

841
01:10:59,350 --> 01:11:07,030
making it easier for businesses to locate here in Benisha. Following multiple study sessions

842
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:12,550
with the City Council, the Planning Commission, the Economic Development Board, the Planning

843
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:19,150
Commission then recommended that a wide range of amendments be made to our zoning ordinance,

844
01:11:19,150 --> 01:11:29,290
including a recommendation to create a new land use classification called commercial recreation indoor.

845
01:11:30,250 --> 01:11:37,250
And specifically, among other things, to allow it with certain limitations within our limited industrial zoning district.

846
01:11:38,230 --> 01:11:40,470
As I mentioned, there were a large number of amendments.

847
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:54,210
There was a part of an oversight, the one amendment that didn't actually make it into the final package was the change that relates to what we're looking at tonight.

848
01:11:55,990 --> 01:12:01,970
The allowance of commercial recreation indoor in our limited industrial zone.

849
01:12:02,370 --> 01:12:06,570
But really what this item does is it cleans up that oversight.

850
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:16,550
Second item is a proposal to allow outdoor food service accessory to an existing food

851
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:24,150
or beverage operation within the city's mixed use in Phil's zone. We have provisions in

852
01:12:24,150 --> 01:12:30,050
our code that allow this use in all of our industrial zones, in all of our commercial

853
01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:35,650
zones. It leaves sort of as an orphan or mixed use in Phil's zone. So I'll show you a few

854
01:12:35,650 --> 01:12:41,210
locations where that is, the intent is to make sure that there's a clear path for approval

855
01:12:42,130 --> 01:12:45,350
for this activity within our mixed use intervals.

856
01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:51,920
Okay, talk about each of the two amendments specifically,

857
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:59,660
there we go.

858
01:13:00,620 --> 01:13:08,180
Okay, the proposal is to conditionally permit, in other words, with a use permit, commercial

859
01:13:08,180 --> 01:13:11,580
recreation indoor uses with certain limitations.

860
01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:15,380
Those limitations, there's three of them.

861
01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:18,440
One is the tendency for the building.

862
01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:22,160
And in particular, the proposal is to allow them only

863
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,020
in single tenant buildings.

864
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,800
We'll talk a little bit about more about that

865
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,260
when I get to the planning commission recommendation,

866
01:13:29,460 --> 01:13:32,380
because there is a little more to discuss in that topic.

867
01:13:32,460 --> 01:13:36,180
But the proposal is to allow them only in single tenant buildings

868
01:13:36,180 --> 01:13:42,900
Only within a limited area, along good year road, the properties that are along good

869
01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:49,920
year road and along gateway Plaza Drive, that totals of about 26 acres, which of our

870
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:54,460
more than 2,000 acres of industrial land, it's less than 2% of all the industrial

871
01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:54,880
lands.

872
01:13:55,060 --> 01:14:01,320
If there are any concerns about this action tonight, we're looking to facilitate certain

873
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:07,400
locations where this activity can be available for business owners who'd like to

874
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:14,500
locate but not do it in a way that creates any risk of taking away too much of our industrial

875
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:23,460
land. The final limitation would be limitation on the actual uses that could occur and it

876
01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:29,040
seems very limited so the proposal is that the only uses that would be allowed under this

877
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:33,520
would be sports training, archery, and shooting galleries.

878
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:36,240
And that seems, again, like a very small set of uses,

879
01:14:36,980 --> 01:14:40,540
when the city created the commercial recreation indoor

880
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:45,140
land use classification, itself is its very narrow

881
01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:46,840
in the number of uses that are allowed.

882
01:14:47,380 --> 01:14:49,840
And specifically, there's eight that are called out.

883
01:14:50,140 --> 01:14:53,460
We could interpret that some other uses are similar enough

884
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:54,100
to those.

885
01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:56,980
But really, there's eight activities and staff

886
01:14:56,980 --> 01:14:59,960
as a part of this, look to see which of those act...

887
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,860
So, there are a lot of activities, really, might be more appropriate for broad set of areas, including industrial, and which ones really were not appropriate.

888
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:26,860
And so, of those eight, we have activities like a theater, billiard parlors, arcades, skating rinks, things that in staffs, as we looked at this, we felt either they were much more appropriate for commercial zones and not industrial zones.

889
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:35,240
Or there was a concern that they might bring in too many people, and you don't necessarily want lots of people congregating in an industrial district.

890
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:41,440
So those specific uses that were identified are not being recommended to you tonight.

891
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,340
That leaves three activities, sports training, archery, and shooting galleries.

892
01:15:46,340 --> 01:15:51,420
These are businesses that tend, you know, not to have large numbers of people congregating

893
01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:57,080
there, but they also might need larger spaces or spaces that may have more safety aspects.

894
01:15:57,260 --> 01:16:03,700
Two of them, and so staff is pushing the or proposing those three of the eight activities,

895
01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:06,120
as the ones that would be conditionally permitted.

896
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:11,380
So that is the first zoning amendment for you to consider.

897
01:16:12,380 --> 01:16:13,020
Second,

898
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:20,600
actually before we do that, let me highlight mentioned properties along Gateway Plaza

899
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,020
driving.

900
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:22,560
Good year, road.

901
01:16:23,180 --> 01:16:29,160
Those are accessed off of right rate at the Lake Herman eggs at off of 680 and so those

902
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,280
arrows point at those two areas again about 26 acres.

903
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:39,020
One thing we ought to note as well is that they're directly adjacent to other commercial

904
01:16:39,020 --> 01:16:40,740
activities right there.

905
01:16:40,740 --> 01:16:43,180
So there's already somewhat of a commercial character

906
01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:44,440
through that setting.

907
01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:47,640
They also have very good visibility from the freeway.

908
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:51,300
OK, moving on to the second proposed amendment,

909
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,560
this would allow outdoor food service in the mixed use.

910
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,060
It mixed use in fills zone.

911
01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:03,540
As I mentioned, our current regulations allow this activity

912
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:06,560
in all of our industrial zones, all of our commercial zones.

913
01:17:06,980 --> 01:17:09,180
This is the one area where you might

914
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:13,860
of commercial uses that are, that our zoning ordinance does not allow.

915
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:22,220
And so simply we're cleaning this up, we're making it clear that yep, in our commercial, in our mixed use infill zone.

916
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:31,080
This is also an area where if we have restaurants that we want to support their ability to also have outdoor food service.

917
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:34,260
So this amendment would allow for that.

918
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,560
There's three locations that this would occur.

919
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:42,040
There we go.

920
01:17:42,660 --> 01:17:45,940
The arrows there that you see point to those three locations.

921
01:17:45,940 --> 01:17:48,200
Two of them are shopping centers here.

922
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,360
One is the self-hampton center.

923
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:51,380
That's the top one.

924
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,720
The middle one is these one out of square shopping center.

925
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:00,300
And the final one is a collection of properties along military east,

926
01:18:00,940 --> 01:18:02,500
generally and east, L Street.

927
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:08,560
Okay, next steps.

928
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:09,400
I'll get

929
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:22,350
this change. There we go. Okay. The Planning Commission reviewed this item on June 11th.

930
01:18:22,350 --> 01:18:28,690
They conducted public hearings and they passed a recommendation that the City Council approved these two amendments.

931
01:18:29,190 --> 01:18:41,610
But they did have one change that I do want to highlight. And I mentioned earlier that the recommendation to you as a part of this is that commercial recreation activities only be allowed in single tenant buildings.

932
01:18:41,610 --> 01:18:46,970
The Planning Commission looked at that and thought, well, that might be too limiting, you

933
01:18:46,970 --> 01:18:51,670
know, a lot of our industrial buildings have multiple tenants, and they felt comfortable

934
01:18:51,670 --> 01:18:55,250
allowing this activity in a multi-tinent building.

935
01:18:56,110 --> 01:19:01,650
Staff, however, is we've looked at this more closely, we realize that poses one potential

936
01:19:01,650 --> 01:19:07,730
challenge as a part of entitling a use permit for a commercial recreation activity.

937
01:19:07,730 --> 01:19:13,610
We have a lot of control as to whether or not they get approved or not, if there are aspects

938
01:19:13,610 --> 01:19:19,030
of that building or the location that are not appropriate and concerns about that, the city

939
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:21,310
does have the ability to deny a use permit.

940
01:19:22,250 --> 01:19:28,710
If we do, however, approve a use permit and it's in a multi-tenant building, what we often

941
01:19:28,710 --> 01:19:32,710
don't control are the industrial uses that might go into those other tenant spaces.

942
01:19:32,710 --> 01:19:42,370
And so, staff is concerned that we allow a commercial recreation use and then, because many of our industrial uses don't require a use permit.

943
01:19:42,910 --> 01:19:54,150
We don't have nearly as much control and over time you could start introducing industrial users into other tenants faces that may not be compatible with the commercial recreation use.

944
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:59,970
So, staff, even though the plan commission did recommend that this be allowed in multi-tended building staff.

945
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:08,720
We have to continue to recommend, and yet as written before you and your staff report, is to allow these only in single tenant facilities.

946
01:20:09,620 --> 01:20:17,840
So, we have the Planning Commission hearing. They recommend your approval. Tonight, you will be asked to hold a public hearing and then conduct the first reading.

947
01:20:18,580 --> 01:20:21,660
And then we will have to bring this back to you.

948
01:20:21,860 --> 01:20:24,260
You may be familiar with ordinances, takes two actions

949
01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:26,120
with the first reading in the second reading.

950
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,420
We are tentatively looking at coming back on August 4.

951
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,020
It could be the meeting after that

952
01:20:32,020 --> 01:20:33,660
or the second reading in adoption.

953
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,040
And finally takes 30 days for an ordinance

954
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,040
to become effective.

955
01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:41,340
So with some certain date and September,

956
01:20:41,660 --> 01:20:43,060
if this item is approved,

957
01:20:43,580 --> 01:20:47,580
that's when this would be actual part of our municipal

958
01:20:47,580 --> 01:20:47,880
code.

959
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:54,120
So with that, last thing I want to mention is California Environmental Quality Act, who

960
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:59,640
always looked to see, first of all, is the project subject to the California Environmental

961
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:00,460
Quality Act.

962
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:06,300
In looking at it, we've concluded that there's multiple exemptions, but section 15,

963
01:21:06,460 --> 01:21:13,200
301 and 15, 305, and so there's no particular secret action that has to be included with

964
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:13,860
this.

965
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:26,620
So the recommendation is that you first of all you hold public hearing and then you moved away of the first reading read by title only an

966
01:21:26,620 --> 01:21:29,320
Introducing ordinance a mending the Venetian

967
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:35,860
With that I'll take any questions. All right. Thank you sir, and you're a new to the

968
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:43,360
By the board. I am new to this planning department. Well. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you. I'll turn first to Council. I was God

969
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:47,580
Thank you and welcome. That was great presentation. If you

970
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,580
You wouldn't mind, can we go back to slide six?

971
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:58,000
Oh, yeah.

972
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,400
Part of being new is learning where I need to point.

973
01:22:00,780 --> 01:22:02,760
Let's try that.

974
01:22:03,380 --> 01:22:04,640
Right, yeah, go ahead.

975
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:07,460
Thank you, Jeff.

976
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:08,360
There we go.

977
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:09,960
Up.

978
01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:11,840
I keep going.

979
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:12,780
Right there.

980
01:22:13,580 --> 01:22:13,880
All right.

981
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,900
A couple of questions on limitations.

982
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,880
Can you define to me what sports training is?

983
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:28,340
Yeah, the city's code doesn't go into any further details with one exception.

984
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:34,340
It does include as a parenthetical reference, identifies batting cages.

985
01:22:35,140 --> 01:22:37,540
Now does that mean batting cages are the only kind of use?

986
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:46,800
If somebody came in and said we want to have a basketball team to practice basketball, that probably

987
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:47,960
fits under that.

988
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:55,020
The only one specified activity that's under the code is batting cages, but things like that.

989
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:05,100
So, which leads me to the limited discourse training, which I think we need to find further,

990
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,520
archery and explain to me what you mean shooting gallery.

991
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,940
Is this pistol shooting gallery?

992
01:23:12,940 --> 01:23:18,240
This is live ammunition gallery, shooting gallery.

993
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,560
Is it into Java?

994
01:23:24,930 --> 01:23:30,070
Shooting galleries is carryover language from the municipal code.

995
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:39,870
So the older municipal code, but it could mean any kind of target.

996
01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:42,770
So it's my fire live ammunition.

997
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:52,770
I presume so, or it could mean not that, it could mean some other type of target, focused, recreational activity.

998
01:23:55,530 --> 01:23:59,830
That would be very concerning for me of people coming into the community.

999
01:24:00,290 --> 01:24:01,690
Well, I shouldn't be talking to this questions.

1000
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:10,730
So shooting galleries means, like, potentially live ammunition, long rifle, small pistol,

1001
01:24:10,730 --> 01:24:14,810
could be any kind because we haven't defined it yet.

1002
01:24:16,030 --> 01:24:20,410
Sports training could mean bad encages,

1003
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:26,090
could it mean Fusball, which is small,

1004
01:24:26,170 --> 01:24:29,190
small court, hard court, soccer,

1005
01:24:30,650 --> 01:24:34,230
which would be the same size as a basketball court?

1006
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:40,450
I think so if we're talking actual competition,

1007
01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:47,450
that may be different than practice. Practice and training. It could be a training

1008
01:24:47,450 --> 01:24:54,290
a can of me for a flu spolar, for soccer, or for any sport. Yeah, I think that would

1009
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:59,430
probably fall under separately induced health facility.

1010
01:25:03,790 --> 01:25:14,770
We're going to just jump in here because these limitations were actually established in the 2025 amendments and are already applicable to sites in the general industrial zone.

1011
01:25:14,770 --> 01:25:22,770
So the reason why we didn't dive deeper into the meaning of sports training is that sports, you know,

1012
01:25:23,950 --> 01:25:34,190
the popularity of a sport can come and go, and we don't want to be too prescriptive on which sports can have a training facility,

1013
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:42,790
but rather recognize that training facilities, sports training facilities can be allowed in the zone.

1014
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:44,910
So the example of batting cages given,

1015
01:25:45,490 --> 01:25:49,870
I could think of volleyball, I could think of golf,

1016
01:25:50,350 --> 01:25:53,730
I think of basketball, baseball,

1017
01:25:54,990 --> 01:25:58,790
any sort of, I would imagine the most likely scenario

1018
01:25:58,790 --> 01:26:00,750
is a youth sports training facility

1019
01:26:00,750 --> 01:26:03,090
that's who we've been contacted by in the past.

1020
01:26:03,410 --> 01:26:05,950
Typically there's not as much interest

1021
01:26:05,950 --> 01:26:08,150
in a sports training facility

1022
01:26:08,150 --> 01:26:10,070
for something that's recreational for adults.

1023
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:26,470
So we did not choose to define sports training facility just because of the fluid nature of athletics and where people want to put their children or themselves into sports at any given time.

1024
01:26:27,390 --> 01:26:32,810
Do you think that lack of definition could cause problems down the road?

1025
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:35,510
Who's going to be arbitrating that?

1026
01:26:37,300 --> 01:26:51,760
Yeah, so whenever you're writing a zoning ordinance, you know, you want to be clear about the intent and you want to be clear about the requirements and the limitations, but if it's too specific, it actually creates more problems on interpretation.

1027
01:26:52,620 --> 01:26:58,640
The zoning ordinance allows the zoning administrator, the ability to interpret and apply

1028
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:04,980
the regulations and all of our use classifications do require some amount of interpretation.

1029
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:10,120
That duty falls to the department director so at this time that is me.

1030
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:19,660
And I can delegate that to staff when needed so it's not something that we've run into so far as a big obstacle

1031
01:27:19,660 --> 01:27:24,140
on uses such as this one, but that's how that's handled.

1032
01:27:25,060 --> 01:27:26,300
Yeah, thank you.

1033
01:27:28,940 --> 01:27:29,480
Thank you, Mayor.

1034
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:40,400
So sports training facilities cannot be used for games such as Pickleball or indoor soccer.

1035
01:27:52,140 --> 01:27:52,880
We're conferring.

1036
01:28:06,850 --> 01:28:07,690
Well, you're looking that up.

1037
01:28:07,710 --> 01:28:10,030
Let me just comment that I agree with California Merza.

1038
01:28:10,170 --> 01:28:14,030
I think Pickleball in particular is one of those sports

1039
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:20,950
where there is apparently a growing demand, and there are neighborhood impacts when you

1040
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:27,390
try to put them in parks or outdoors, putting them in indoor facility, would perhaps

1041
01:28:27,390 --> 01:28:34,450
solve a lot of the neighborhood issues while continuing to allow or users.

1042
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:43,560
Yeah. Okay. We've pulled it up here. Those kinds of activities that you're venturing,

1043
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:50,480
pickleball similar to that, actually fall under a separate land use classification, sports

1044
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:56,560
and entertainment assembly. And so it has its own set of regulations and locations.

1045
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:05,940
Yeah, would that pickleball, for example, be allowed in these aisles zones under this proposal?

1046
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:07,260
Or are they all ready allowed?

1047
01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:17,740
not as part of this proposal because it doesn't fall under this particular zoning category that we're looking at.

1048
01:29:18,140 --> 01:29:23,740
So I would offer that pickleball, you're not going to get a bunch of people at the same time.

1049
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:34,140
So while I understand the use of the language and the existing language, I think,

1050
01:29:34,140 --> 01:29:49,240
If not tonight, we would like to include eventually pick a ball in the indoor pick a ball in the industrial in these same areas.

1051
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,080
My, at least I would.

1052
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:55,360
My second question.

1053
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:56,120
Go ahead.

1054
01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:57,060
Sorry if I can clarify.

1055
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,920
So um just

1056
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,820
Be clear, so if it's a facility that's providing training and practice, that would fall under commercial recreation and entertainment in door.

1057
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:21,560
If it's a facility that is providing a space for something like tournaments, that would fall under sports and entertainment assembly.

1058
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:29,040
So if somebody wanted to open a pickleball tournament facility, they would fall under the sports and entertainment assembly.

1059
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:36,680
If they want to offer pickleball training classes, then it would fall under commercial recreation indoor.

1060
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:45,300
And the reason is that any kind of a tournament activity is going to have higher participants and you'll have spectators.

1061
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:50,140
So that is a different type of land use than a practice facility.

1062
01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:51,400
So

1063
01:30:54,570 --> 01:31:13,370
if somebody wanted to build a pickleball training facility for pickleball out there, that would be allowed, and then people could go and play pickleball each, against each other as long as there wasn't spectators.

1064
01:31:14,450 --> 01:31:18,850
Yeah, as long as it's practice activity, yes.

1065
01:31:19,330 --> 01:31:26,090
Okay, my second question is, it's already, this is just clean up.

1066
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:30,190
It's already allowed along a second, correct?

1067
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,880
Oh, is a second in the aisle zone, is another way to ask that question?

1068
01:31:51,070 --> 01:31:58,550
For my years on the Planning Commission, I remember working on this and I think we zoned it as said.

1069
01:32:00,850 --> 01:32:07,470
Yes, again, as long as it's in a single tenant facility, it is allowed along the second already.

1070
01:32:09,130 --> 01:32:10,830
Thank you very much.

1071
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:12,570
Galhamers God.

1072
01:32:13,250 --> 01:32:13,690
Thank you.

1073
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:16,630
I just want to be clear what you just said.

1074
01:32:17,210 --> 01:32:23,090
You said, practices okay, and they could play against each other.

1075
01:32:24,230 --> 01:32:25,490
That's competition.

1076
01:32:26,690 --> 01:32:28,530
Competition is playing.

1077
01:32:29,410 --> 01:32:39,310
So, what is it, is it a facility that, I mean, I'm sorry to get caught in the weeds, but I apologize.

1078
01:32:40,130 --> 01:32:53,630
But it's either open to play games, practice, or learn, train, practice against each other, but no competition.

1079
01:32:54,450 --> 01:33:05,430
And the definition of the difference between playing practice and playing against each other is a spectator.

1080
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:08,210
So, and I apologize.

1081
01:33:08,510 --> 01:33:09,850
We do seem plus or I understand.

1082
01:33:10,130 --> 01:33:13,350
We've not been presented with this scenario to be quite frank.

1083
01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:20,150
So, the types of inquiries that were typically receiving are for basketball, batting cages,

1084
01:33:20,150 --> 01:33:22,210
in my time here with the city,

1085
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:23,370
occasionally soccer,

1086
01:33:24,630 --> 01:33:25,990
and they're all youth-oriented.

1087
01:33:27,050 --> 01:33:29,390
So I believe that what I expect

1088
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:31,470
is that if somebody were interested

1089
01:33:31,470 --> 01:33:33,970
in opening a pickleball facility,

1090
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:36,730
we would probably ask for a description

1091
01:33:36,730 --> 01:33:38,350
of what they plan to do,

1092
01:33:38,890 --> 01:33:40,850
and then we would evaluate that.

1093
01:33:41,330 --> 01:33:42,530
So we would want to know,

1094
01:33:42,690 --> 01:33:44,170
what is your actual business plan?

1095
01:33:44,590 --> 01:33:49,370
If you're training people on pickleball,

1096
01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:55,190
And maybe you're doing pickleball and tennis and it's all in door and it's a practice and training facility.

1097
01:33:59,580 --> 01:34:02,940
Then we presume that it includes all practice and training activities.

1098
01:34:03,820 --> 01:34:19,100
If there is a component where you're having a tournament schedule and you're selling tickets and we see stadium seats and all kinds of indicators of something that's more spectator oriented or a tournament facility.

1099
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:23,780
And then we will dive deeper and ask more about the specific business.

1100
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:29,820
What we typically do when someone is in the gray area is we present them with the options

1101
01:34:29,820 --> 01:34:32,780
that would move them towards compliance with our regulations.

1102
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:38,300
So if somebody were looking at opening a pickleball facility in the limited industrial zone,

1103
01:34:38,980 --> 01:34:41,460
we would understand what it is that they plan to do.

1104
01:34:41,740 --> 01:34:46,700
And then say, well, if you intend to open your pickleball business in this location,

1105
01:34:47,260 --> 01:34:52,800
And these are your parameters and these are the things that you shouldn't be including in

1106
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,920
your floor plan or in your project description in order for us to be able to support

1107
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,620
the project or determine that the project is permitted.

1108
01:34:59,180 --> 01:34:59,980
So we try to guide people.

1109
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:10,480
People often, it's difficult for folks to parse our zoning regulations. And if we're able to understand their intention or their business plan, we can work with them on their location.

1110
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:21,520
If they said, well, practice is actually not a very big part of this. I want to make all of my money selling tickets to pickleball games that people will come from all around to view.

1111
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:27,280
So then we would have to say, sorry, that doesn't seem like it's going to be allowed in

1112
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:31,100
the zone, but here are the zones where your tournament facility could be located.

1113
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:36,940
So we do work within the gray area with people on a regular basis, and what we do is try

1114
01:35:36,940 --> 01:35:41,560
to help them identify a pathway to achieve their goals.

1115
01:35:42,440 --> 01:35:45,460
Okay, let me, if I may, may, may.

1116
01:35:46,700 --> 01:35:49,340
All right, enough of the pickleball for a moment.

1117
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,520
The opening of the, he'll bring it back.

1118
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:55,260
Shooting galleries.

1119
01:35:56,700 --> 01:35:59,720
Again, is this, this is live ammunition.

1120
01:36:00,820 --> 01:36:03,600
Is there going to be purchase of ammunition?

1121
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:09,080
How, when they come to the facility,

1122
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:20,780
They'll be able to rent a pistol to fire, the place in Vacaville, you buy the ammo, you go in,

1123
01:36:21,420 --> 01:36:25,720
and it's a shooting range, you put your air protection on, and you go, go, go.

1124
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:32,660
So is this a shooting, and I hate to get into wordsmithing, but I was before, so I'm as

1125
01:36:32,660 --> 01:36:40,480
continue, is it a shooting gallery or is it a shooting range which then defines whether

1126
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:49,460
it's pistol or long rifle? I'm just really scared by this one.

1127
01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:57,520
So one thing I would remind the council is that this, this is a conditionally permitted use

1128
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:04,580
all instances. So someone might have live the ammunition. They might not have live the ammunition.

1129
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:11,420
You know, quite, you know, I hesitate to speculate on the range of potential uses that someone might present.

1130
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:16,040
I've not been presented with this particular use scenario in the past.

1131
01:37:18,260 --> 01:37:26,360
So it's a little challenging to answer your question, except to say that if someone does wish to come forward with a shooting gallery proposal,

1132
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:32,720
They would go through a public hearing and a conditional use process as well as all the associated

1133
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:38,080
reviews and just to kind of inform the City Council and the community, that would include

1134
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:46,640
review by all disciplines, probably including police, but police fire, building, planning,

1135
01:37:47,540 --> 01:37:53,100
engineering, with the night towards, obviously, safety of the building occupants in the community as

1136
01:37:59,470 --> 01:38:00,870
Thank you, Mayor.

1137
01:38:01,150 --> 01:38:03,870
I just wanted to bring it back to Pickleball.

1138
01:38:04,230 --> 01:38:05,830
Really quick, I just want to provide some input.

1139
01:38:06,830 --> 01:38:13,770
I think Council Member Scott's term competition is a right term.

1140
01:38:14,270 --> 01:38:18,750
And I would encourage staff to continue using that term versus tournament.

1141
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:22,270
Although tournaments can happen, but keep it simple.

1142
01:38:22,270 --> 01:38:29,690
to really look at this, the most likely use it would be competition, friendly competition.

1143
01:38:30,650 --> 01:38:35,290
That said, that use, and I think this is what staff said.

1144
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:37,290
I'm just encouraging you guys to keep repeating it.

1145
01:38:38,170 --> 01:38:39,390
Not that I'm against a pickleball.

1146
01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:42,070
I'm just trying to bring it back to what we're discussing tonight.

1147
01:38:42,510 --> 01:38:49,010
The use for competition, as I mistaken, would fall under sports, entertainment, assembly.

1148
01:38:49,670 --> 01:38:56,010
And so I guess then the question is does that apply to this zone or is it someplace else around town?

1149
01:38:57,150 --> 01:38:57,830
Thank you.

1150
01:39:07,450 --> 01:39:08,450
I recall correctly.

1151
01:39:08,630 --> 01:39:11,410
Sports and air team in assembly is permitted in the open.

1152
01:39:12,030 --> 01:39:14,310
It's conditionally permitted in the open space zone.

1153
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:23,660
So do the chair.

1154
01:39:25,620 --> 01:39:28,000
So I don't want to get too far off topic.

1155
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:28,640
Just kind of curious.

1156
01:39:28,820 --> 01:39:29,920
I'm sure someone else is going to ask.

1157
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:34,360
So does that mean if there were there was a warehouse.

1158
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:44,860
In the industrial park right now, the sports and entertainment assembly is not permitted.

1159
01:39:46,820 --> 01:39:49,220
In the industrial zone.

1160
01:39:51,050 --> 01:39:52,930
So, which is where I should go.

1161
01:39:54,130 --> 01:39:59,070
To be clear, sports and entertainment assembly is a broad definition.

1162
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:07,520
I'd use classification. That can also include arenas. It can include, it's for, it's a larger format,

1163
01:40:07,980 --> 01:40:15,800
facility than what isn't visioned or permitted within commercial recreation indoor.

1164
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:16,900
Significantly.

1165
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:18,900
So, it makes.

1166
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:20,560
Okay.

1167
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:44,520
Just to suggest, to think we're talking about two important things, but the only one is relevant at the moment, and that's looking at the zone changes that direction or suggestion for staff is to take this feedback and the feedback is

1168
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:51,480
Pickleball could be coming to Benisha and do we have a place for it or would we we

1169
01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:56,640
We have to go back and look at the zoning again. I know you mentioned it's for outdoor

1170
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:02,840
Yes, they're outdoor facilities, but in Fairfield recently. I think it's early. It's like a week or two ago

1171
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,900
They just opened a big spot

1172
01:41:04,900 --> 01:41:13,480
I don't know what that was zone four, but that's just something to be thinking about because those are I think the kind of opportunities that could come to the city

1173
01:41:13,480 --> 01:41:20,420
about being prepared and or preparing for that scenario, if it's, if we can't even make it work,

1174
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:27,900
not suggest and we try to fit, you know, a square of peg in a round hole.

1175
01:41:28,500 --> 01:41:31,680
If I may have an opportunity to correct myself, of course.

1176
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:37,460
Dave correctly pointed out sports in their team in assembly is also conditionally permitted

1177
01:41:37,460 --> 01:41:44,900
in the general commercial zone and it includes indoor and outdoor spectator oriented sports,

1178
01:41:46,500 --> 01:41:51,420
including sports staves, arenas, tournament facilities, and amusement facilities such as amusement parks,

1179
01:41:51,540 --> 01:41:58,320
and many golf, et cetera. So. Thank you, Dan. Do you want to add something?

1180
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:04,500
Thank you, Mayor. I know this for some probabilistic, it's a distinction about a difference, but there is

1181
01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:09,660
distinct difference in what's being described as training and practice facilities versus

1182
01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:17,560
game facilities. And I think from a, when you take it for sport by sport, you have facilities

1183
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:24,280
that are soccer or foot-salt training facilities. You could have what appears to be a full court

1184
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:29,340
totally permitted by what we're talking about. The moment you open it up for tournament, it is not allowed.

1185
01:42:29,340 --> 01:42:35,300
All right, with pickleball, you could have a pickleball court, it's training facility, you can play games.

1186
01:42:36,060 --> 01:42:38,840
The moment you open it up for a tournament is not allowed.

1187
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:43,100
That is the big distinction that I think we're drawing here and as Suzanne noted,

1188
01:42:43,100 --> 01:42:49,160
it's the idea of you're bringing in more people for spectator and recall this isn't industrial zone.

1189
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:55,900
Right, so we have to make sure that we understand, you know, not all the things that we would like, it's still industrial.

1190
01:42:55,900 --> 01:43:01,080
That is the makeup of what's around there.

1191
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,140
But I think it's also a middle ground when it comes to pickable.

1192
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,900
You're talking about training as an allowed use in these zones,

1193
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:13,080
not tournaments, but there are probably people out there

1194
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:17,520
because of the demand for space and courts who would like to just develop

1195
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:23,740
three or four courts indoors that they rent out to people who want to play.

1196
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:24,860
Is that a tournament?

1197
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:34,880
It's just used by individuals, and I would like to encourage that, and my question is would that be allowed under what's being proposed here?

1198
01:43:35,480 --> 01:43:37,860
So here's what I would say.

1199
01:43:38,620 --> 01:43:45,540
If somebody approaches the city and says, I would like to invest in the Nisha and open a pickleball facility.

1200
01:43:46,900 --> 01:43:48,620
Who would say what is your plan?

1201
01:43:48,620 --> 01:43:59,120
If it's just recreation or the sake of fun, we will work with them to find a use classification.

1202
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:05,680
If it's commercial, we will develop our understanding of what they would like to do.

1203
01:44:06,340 --> 01:44:12,960
And because Dave reminded me that sports and entertainment assembly is conditionally permitted in the general commercial zone,

1204
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:24,800
I have great news for that person, which is they could do training, practice, and tournament play in a single facility in the general commercial zone.

1205
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:31,520
And then they could be directed to the zoning map to find a location for themselves that would work perfectly.

1206
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:37,540
Otherwise, if they would like to tailor their project, we can also work with them on that.

1207
01:44:37,540 --> 01:44:44,980
would be happy to process their use permit. But often, it's hard to predict what a specific

1208
01:44:44,980 --> 01:44:51,180
business would be. If it's a commercial business, we have to take that into account

1209
01:44:51,180 --> 01:44:59,260
if it's just a recreation like, like, park, like you can just go play, then we would look at that

1210
01:44:59,260 --> 01:44:59,580
differently.

1211
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,780
So, there are, I guess I'm seeing there are multiple permutations of this concept that we could encounter, and I think that there is a solution within our zoning ordinance for all of them, but we would have to understeam the specifics of the business in order to accommodate it.

1212
01:45:15,780 --> 01:45:22,340
But you go at commercial and I would say if I were a entrepreneur and I want to start a little

1213
01:45:22,340 --> 01:45:30,340
applicable facility, I would rent the courts for $20 an hour. That makes it commercial.

1214
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:39,270
Would that be allowed in this zone? Not a tournament, just renting out courts,

1215
01:45:39,570 --> 01:45:45,170
their players. This is hypothetical and what we'd want to do is speak with a business owner to

1216
01:45:45,170 --> 01:45:51,670
to their plan and then guide them on the zoning requirements or direct them to the appropriate

1217
01:45:51,670 --> 01:45:52,250
location.

1218
01:45:52,810 --> 01:45:57,390
But there is the opportunity in Benisha for someone to open a facility like that, but why

1219
01:45:57,390 --> 01:45:58,230
is there a zoning framework?

1220
01:45:58,270 --> 01:46:06,470
But why would not these facilities, which are largely warehouse or empty large facilities,

1221
01:46:07,450 --> 01:46:08,690
why would that not?

1222
01:46:08,850 --> 01:46:11,410
Why shouldn't we just say that that's an eligible use also?

1223
01:46:11,410 --> 01:46:23,650
Well, if it's a practice and training facility and they're not operating tournaments, then certainly their application could proceed as a conditional use and we would be happy to bring that forward.

1224
01:46:23,790 --> 01:46:29,690
But the way I described it, I'm just going to put in courts and I'm going to read them out to individuals for 20 bucks an hour. Yes, it's commercial.

1225
01:46:30,210 --> 01:46:31,130
But it's also not a tournament.

1226
01:46:32,670 --> 01:46:37,430
Why can't that be an allowed use? Why can't we just add it as an allowed use tonight?

1227
01:46:40,760 --> 01:47:01,080
I recommend that we, I mean, I think what you're seeing this evening is that we as staff are receptive to cleanups and updates that are informed by our work with our business community and the types of things that we see coming forward.

1228
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:09,540
And my recommendation is that we have a chance to use this ordinance and apply it to businesses that come forward.

1229
01:47:10,020 --> 01:47:14,560
If there's something unreasonable that would truly prohibit a pickleball facility,

1230
01:47:15,340 --> 01:47:21,720
I can commit to you that I will identify that as a priority and work on a cleanup to address it.

1231
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:30,900
But actually have confidence that we could work with a pickleball business to find a suitable location for them.

1232
01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:33,040
depending on their business plan.

1233
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:38,900
But why would what's the downside for allowing it in these zones?

1234
01:47:39,260 --> 01:47:42,280
Well, not commercial, not sort of it.

1235
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:43,360
I mean, not commercial, not turn it up.

1236
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:48,020
Mayor, if I can be direct, I think what you're describing is a extremely specific scenario

1237
01:47:48,980 --> 01:47:50,420
that we've not encountered.

1238
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:52,600
Nobody's going to do one in the bill.

1239
01:47:52,620 --> 01:47:56,960
No one's ever said, I want to just build some courts that I just rent out to people.

1240
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:09,320
What we're encountering is people saying I want to open a facility, I want to, this is my plan, I want to have that in cages. It's intended for youth baseball.

1241
01:48:10,060 --> 01:48:14,340
These are the people that I want to serve. This is the facility that I'm looking at.

1242
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:21,380
I haven't had someone say, well, I want to open, I want to take a warehouse and turn it into an indoor sport court and then rent it out.

1243
01:48:21,380 --> 01:48:31,380
If that were to come up, and we take a look at our zoning ordinance and find that it's an adequate, I hope you understand, I would want to address that.

1244
01:48:31,620 --> 01:48:35,320
We understand recreation is important to the community and sports are important to the community.

1245
01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:40,520
But I actually feel that we have the framework in place already to accommodate those.

1246
01:48:41,220 --> 01:48:49,240
So if it's renting out space within a facility for a recreational play.

1247
01:48:50,980 --> 01:48:56,900
You know, I guess, like not quite pick up games, but some leave and people are doing.

1248
01:48:57,100 --> 01:49:00,720
And that's certainly just going to be the ones that get together that you just need to place the play.

1249
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:03,460
And they don't have stadium seating and they're not selling tickets.

1250
01:49:04,740 --> 01:49:07,280
There's a scenario in which we could consider that practice.

1251
01:49:08,380 --> 01:49:11,220
So, you know, we work with people all the time.

1252
01:49:11,420 --> 01:49:13,320
We try to find a path to yes.

1253
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:15,500
We try not to be unreasonable.

1254
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:29,980
And so I think pickle ball, while an important sport is one of many important sports, and again, I guess my hesitation, you know, it's the council's will, we will take your direction.

1255
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:36,620
You know, my hesitation is that it feels very specific to call out pickle ball practice courts.

1256
01:49:36,620 --> 01:49:44,760
It is, but I'm saying it makes it an allowable use, not that we're going to go out and look for people who want to do it.

1257
01:49:45,140 --> 01:49:50,780
But it sounds like what you said is that you're responding to inquiries that you've had.

1258
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:53,060
So has there been an inquiry for a shooting gallery?

1259
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:54,400
No.

1260
01:49:55,020 --> 01:49:57,120
That's a carryover from an older ordinance.

1261
01:49:58,480 --> 01:49:59,960
But the inquiries that we have...

1262
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:14,520
I've had over the years have been, like I said, baseball, soccer, basketball. Those are the ones, and we've not had a place for them really. And so that was the responsibility that I was speaking to.

1263
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:20,120
And I would only point to the experience of Martinez where they put an out, they converted

1264
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:26,280
tennis courts to pickleball courts in a residential neighborhood. And the neighbors lost their mind.

1265
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:32,200
And they had to end up going and tearing it out and not allowing it anymore.

1266
01:50:32,940 --> 01:50:36,780
And so the pickleball community was in an uproar, the residents were in an uproar.

1267
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:42,680
To find a place away from residential where the noise of pickleball would not be an issue

1268
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:53,920
Where it could be enclosed, I think, and I do believe there is certainly a demand out there just because somebody hasn't come to you doesn't mean there's not a demand there.

1269
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:57,300
We don't have very many pickleball courts outdoors in this community.

1270
01:50:58,340 --> 01:51:02,900
This is an opportunity. I don't understand why we wouldn't just say it's unlawable.

1271
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:11,780
Maybe we don't have anybody coming forward, but we're saying shooting galleries are allowable and we have anybody coming forward for those.

1272
01:51:11,780 --> 01:51:15,460
I think we will defer to the well of the council.

1273
01:51:16,260 --> 01:51:20,900
If I may, Mayor, just want to make you aware that Vice-Membersinski has his hand raised on Zoom.

1274
01:51:21,260 --> 01:51:21,440
Okay.

1275
01:51:23,260 --> 01:51:23,920
Vice-Members?

1276
01:51:27,150 --> 01:51:27,830
Thank you.

1277
01:51:28,210 --> 01:51:37,890
One, Suzanne, for the scenario to where it would require a conditional use permit for a batting cage in the new zone.

1278
01:51:37,890 --> 01:51:47,610
Why? I'm thinking of like the old card dealership or you know the specialty auto sales place that was over on the other side of the freeway.

1279
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:54,190
Why would you need a conditional use permit for that? Why can't we just make it an approved use?

1280
01:51:57,130 --> 01:52:01,810
Yeah, I responded that. I don't believe that that's an industrial location.

1281
01:52:03,070 --> 01:52:08,350
And so this action wouldn't create a use permit requirement for that location.

1282
01:52:08,350 --> 01:52:09,130
But

1283
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,360
we're trying to trust really, though.

1284
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:15,080
That's commercial.

1285
01:52:18,820 --> 01:52:19,340
Pretty sure.

1286
01:52:19,620 --> 01:52:20,020
OK.

1287
01:52:23,060 --> 01:52:26,800
If you could repeat your question, we see that, yes, this is an industrial zone.

1288
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:30,080
Yeah.

1289
01:52:30,340 --> 01:52:38,380
So my question is, how many understand why you want to have a conditional use permit for a sports training facility?

1290
01:52:40,340 --> 01:52:42,680
When there's a party other, I guess.

1291
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:44,400
Like the instance of this case, right?

1292
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:50,180
like there isn't an a large industrial user that would go into those spaces because there's

1293
01:52:50,180 --> 01:52:56,500
some of the square footage of some of the small, my question is why, why would that area

1294
01:52:56,500 --> 01:53:03,680
the same is like something that would be directly adjacent to a large industrial zone area that

1295
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:05,580
could be used by an industrial user?

1296
01:53:08,030 --> 01:53:11,510
Yeah, so in that area we do have a collection of other

1297
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:17,290
industrial users. And what we would want to do is everything's sort of on a case-by-case basis.

1298
01:53:17,710 --> 01:53:23,450
We would want to look at the proposal and under the use permit, we have to make certain findings.

1299
01:53:24,150 --> 01:53:31,570
Make sure that there aren't incompatibilities and with all the services over there.

1300
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:36,350
I think that's the things that the council's struggling with.

1301
01:53:36,810 --> 01:53:39,950
I guess I understand how planning works.

1302
01:53:39,950 --> 01:53:42,830
But I guess I understand how planning works.

1303
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:48,830
I'm frustrated with the fact that there wasn't enough attention to detail, put into the

1304
01:53:48,830 --> 01:53:50,890
recommendations that are being put in front of the city council.

1305
01:53:51,150 --> 01:53:55,310
That's a specific area of the community where you don't need to have the same process applied

1306
01:53:55,310 --> 01:53:58,790
because there aren't other industrial users over there. You're wrong.

1307
01:54:00,170 --> 01:54:02,610
So if you like to correct yourself, that's fine.

1308
01:54:03,250 --> 01:54:07,530
But I think you need to be very specific or we can carve it out and actually make it easier for

1309
01:54:07,530 --> 01:54:09,010
these things to come into our community.

1310
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:11,590
It's ridiculous to require a conditionally use permit.

1311
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:17,980
So yes, and I did correct myself, I apologize.

1312
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:21,680
I thought you met the across the freeway from where we are here,

1313
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,280
not across from that location.

1314
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:26,960
So I misspoke, I'm sorry about that.

1315
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:30,120
So yes, I do correct that.

1316
01:54:30,500 --> 01:54:33,980
Staff will generally, when you're looking to introduce potentially

1317
01:54:34,780 --> 01:54:37,440
incompatible uses, we just don't know.

1318
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:39,200
Everything's on a case-by-case basis.

1319
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:44,420
If you make these uses, just generally a permitted use,

1320
01:54:44,820 --> 01:54:47,560
you do lose some ability to look at that and say,

1321
01:54:48,300 --> 01:54:51,360
this is a particular case where we think...

1322
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:55,420
A degree of the RIs, that's the RIs, that's the RIs.

1323
01:54:55,420 --> 01:54:58,740
That's the RIs, that's the RIs, that's the RIs, that's the RIs, that's the RIs, that's the RIs.

1324
01:55:00,340 --> 01:55:04,320
If I write use in that area, that's my feedback.

1325
01:55:04,940 --> 01:55:07,280
Mayor, we will defer to the will of the council.

1326
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:13,520
Okay, I'm with the Vice Mayor on this, I think we want to make this as simple as possible

1327
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:19,520
and to require use permits for these types of uses seem to be overkill.

1328
01:55:20,940 --> 01:55:25,260
I would like to see these things by right. I'm not sure about the shooting gallery.

1329
01:55:25,260 --> 01:55:28,820
I share Complementary Scotts concerns about live ammunition.

1330
01:55:30,260 --> 01:55:34,260
I think we ought to look at something other than live ammunition,

1331
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:40,260
and you can still have a shooting gallery with, yes, we will.

1332
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:44,180
We're still actually asking questions, but we don't open it up.

1333
01:55:45,780 --> 01:55:48,380
That's my comment. Councilwoman Verzae?

1334
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:50,920
I would like to move to public comment.

1335
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:59,900
All right, let's do that and we'll ask for public comment on these questions, Ms. Grumman.

1336
01:56:07,650 --> 01:56:13,910
First, Mr. Feinestein, welcome to council. I apologize it's been some rough.

1337
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:15,010
That was unnecessary.

1338
01:56:19,550 --> 01:56:26,410
I hope that we can spend a little bit more time

1339
01:56:26,410 --> 01:56:29,290
on the shooting gallery.

1340
01:56:30,890 --> 01:56:33,450
I'm pretty concerned about that.

1341
01:56:33,450 --> 01:56:41,390
I didn't realize that that language existed in the BMC.

1342
01:56:41,390 --> 01:56:42,270
So,

1343
01:56:44,690 --> 01:57:10,390
I think it's at the will of the council to modify that, and I certainly hope that you do, even if it's just from existing language, and there's been no, nobody's ever wanted to open a shooting gallery, now's the time to remove that.

1344
01:57:12,030 --> 01:57:13,610
It's the Scaling Prospect.

1345
01:57:14,330 --> 01:57:14,530
Thank you.

1346
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:15,550
Thank you.

1347
01:57:15,590 --> 01:57:16,710
Ms. Board, eh?

1348
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:20,510
I'll just start that subject.

1349
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:21,570
I agree.

1350
01:57:22,510 --> 01:57:27,970
This is not the time in which we're living to invite that and put that in writing.

1351
01:57:28,630 --> 01:57:30,250
That's one of the allowable.

1352
01:57:30,690 --> 01:57:32,810
If we've never had any interest in it.

1353
01:57:33,050 --> 01:57:34,530
This is not a time to suggest.

1354
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:35,110
Oh, yeah.

1355
01:57:35,210 --> 01:57:39,170
Venetians open to have a venue for training.

1356
01:57:39,170 --> 01:57:45,710
Now, this is the word that is, for me, the trip wire about what goes on out there.

1357
01:57:45,710 --> 01:57:46,970
It's about training.

1358
01:57:47,310 --> 01:57:53,650
It's about something that helps that there's a teacher or an instructor or somebody who is

1359
01:57:53,650 --> 01:57:55,030
constantly there.

1360
01:57:55,230 --> 01:57:57,810
So it's not just for games being played.

1361
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:59,630
It could be played elsewhere.

1362
01:58:00,270 --> 01:58:09,150
And for instance, the signature property proposal included a commercial area where that kind of

1363
01:58:09,150 --> 01:58:12,350
one of the things that people call for.

1364
01:58:13,190 --> 01:58:16,030
However, there's one suggestion I would have

1365
01:58:16,030 --> 01:58:22,330
is that there are young people in this town,

1366
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:25,450
I'm sure, who are interested in climbing.

1367
01:58:26,330 --> 01:58:30,010
And that's a very personal and private kind of,

1368
01:58:30,230 --> 01:58:35,050
it can be a spot of as a sport, because people do it,

1369
01:58:35,050 --> 01:58:40,890
And, you know, but it's also about developing your own personal skill at something that's

1370
01:58:40,890 --> 01:58:46,570
very difficult, and you have to have instructors, and it's a, you know, gauge thing.

1371
01:58:46,670 --> 01:58:51,530
But if you want to attract youth, I mean, place like REI, there are places where you can

1372
01:58:51,530 --> 01:58:54,110
go to go climbing, but it's not in Venetia.

1373
01:58:54,310 --> 01:59:02,350
That would be something new, and an adventurous, and I would suggest that that is more applicable

1374
01:59:02,350 --> 01:59:06,330
all these days, then a shooting gallery.

1375
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:08,310
Thank you.

1376
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:09,230
Thank you.

1377
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:10,870
Is anybody else the audience who'd like to make

1378
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:12,290
a public comment on this item?

1379
01:59:13,230 --> 01:59:15,090
Is anybody on mine who would like to make public comment

1380
01:59:15,090 --> 01:59:16,170
on this item?

1381
01:59:17,050 --> 01:59:18,070
No, there is not.

1382
01:59:18,330 --> 01:59:20,090
All right, then let's come back to the council.

1383
01:59:20,810 --> 01:59:22,550
I mean, if I may be fortunate to see you guys

1384
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:23,930
have kind of talked about this.

1385
01:59:24,070 --> 01:59:25,270
There's several public comments.

1386
01:59:25,890 --> 01:59:27,550
The shooting gallery concept is in the code.

1387
01:59:28,210 --> 01:59:30,650
That's not before you tonight, just to be clear.

1388
01:59:30,650 --> 01:59:33,510
I was something that has been in the code for a long time.

1389
01:59:33,910 --> 01:59:36,470
If Council wants to provide direction to look into that,

1390
01:59:36,890 --> 01:59:39,190
we would need to look into whether we can ban shooting

1391
01:59:39,190 --> 01:59:41,610
galleries within the whole city.

1392
01:59:42,550 --> 01:59:43,690
We're not going to make that change tonight.

1393
01:59:43,770 --> 01:59:44,930
I wouldn't recommend that.

1394
01:59:45,370 --> 01:59:48,430
Because there might be an issue with banning them within the city.

1395
01:59:49,010 --> 01:59:50,150
Can we ban light ammunition?

1396
01:59:50,870 --> 01:59:54,610
Again, tell me what if there's a Council wants us to look at those issues.

1397
01:59:54,810 --> 01:59:55,570
We'd be happy to look at them.

1398
01:59:55,630 --> 01:59:57,470
But I don't think you should be making those amendments from the day

1399
01:59:57,470 --> 01:59:57,930
as tonight.

1400
01:59:57,930 --> 01:59:59,970
Okay, well let's talk about that

1401
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:12,240
One issue, is there consensus, or can these three of us interested in having the city attorney look into the issue of shooting gallery and in particular the use of live aviation?

1402
02:00:13,140 --> 02:00:28,740
Yes, I would be more than interested in that. I am very worried about the fact that in our society, we would be teaching people how to shoot. I know how to be teaching people how to shoot correctly, et cetera, but I don't want that in Venetia.

1403
02:00:28,740 --> 02:00:33,740
Live ammunition, bringing in guns into the community.

1404
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:39,460
What was it prepared to talk about this?

1405
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:48,500
I'll tell you that when I sat on the Solano County Fairgrounds Association,

1406
02:00:48,500 --> 02:01:10,060
I moved to Ban Gunchos and County Council walked it back. I got the votes, it passed, and then the very next meeting, County Council, under threat from the NRA,

1407
02:01:12,100 --> 02:01:12,800
walked it back.

1408
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:24,460
So we're in some serious territory when we start talking about banning, banning, training on shooting.

1409
02:01:25,260 --> 02:01:35,680
And so I will go ahead and support the decision to have staff look into it.

1410
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:42,180
I'm just, I have experience with this and, you know, we'll open ourselves up to lawsuits

1411
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:53,500
right away. Before, the day after that motion passed, County heard from the NRA and

1412
02:01:53,500 --> 02:02:01,400
an affiliated associations. So if it's the will of the council that we want, you know,

1413
02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:08,460
staff to look into it, I can support that, but I'm just giving that council in advance.

1414
02:02:11,340 --> 02:02:13,200
All right, that's what I'm going to have to say on that.

1415
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:14,420
I want to comment on this.

1416
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:21,240
Yeah, I don't think that would be a good use of the city attorney's time.

1417
02:02:23,480 --> 02:02:26,600
We haven't even looked at this.

1418
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,400
What are we solving for?

1419
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:46,600
It is everyone has entitled to their positions, their opinions, and so forth, but without at least having a conversation, which we're not going to do tonight, but what the problem would be solving for is I don't think that's a good use of the city attorney's time, so I wouldn't be able to.

1420
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:46,920
Okay.

1421
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:50,460
Vice Mayor, would you want to weigh in on this?

1422
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:51,340
Sure.

1423
02:02:51,340 --> 02:03:00,360
Yeah, I don't necessarily know that we need to tackle that this evening, and I would actually use that as a perfect example of the type of something that we should require a conditional use permit.

1424
02:03:00,580 --> 02:03:06,120
Unlike an organized training or sports recreation facility for like youth athletics, right?

1425
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:19,820
So I think that there is more community concern which would come with a decision like that, unlike a decision for a, you know, an engaged or a basketball group for, you know, sports.

1426
02:03:19,820 --> 02:03:21,320
So even if it's organized?

1427
02:03:24,970 --> 02:03:42,790
Yes, I think three of us has said, we would like the attorney to at least look into what some of the options are around this and my particular interest is can we ban the use of a live ammunition and still maintain a shooting gallery with something other than live ammunition for

1428
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:48,030
need or instruction or something like that, it's the live ammunition part, especially in

1429
02:03:48,030 --> 02:03:55,230
an area where an airant bullet could go rip through a wall, whether it's a single tenant

1430
02:03:55,230 --> 02:04:02,430
building or not, I think is problematic. So I think three of us have asked you to, at least look

1431
02:04:02,430 --> 02:04:10,910
at the issue and come back to us. So we'll put that one aside for the moment. What do we want to

1432
02:04:10,910 --> 02:04:18,290
about the issue of the sports training I assume Suzanne this would also mean fitness centers in general

1433
02:04:18,290 --> 02:04:27,090
would not fall under this category. Fitness centers were already updated in the City Council's

1434
02:04:27,090 --> 02:04:35,110
action last year. Yeah so but would they be allowed and so we're talking about a specific zone along

1435
02:04:35,110 --> 02:04:45,610
a good year in part of Parkway that are specific the IL zone, not the where the

1436
02:04:45,610 --> 02:04:53,780
Volarol site is, right? It's up a long second because we've already allowed certain types of

1437
02:04:54,100 --> 02:04:59,620
recreational uses and fitness centers within the industrial park in general.

1438
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,080
We're talking about it. A different part. Yeah, up there.

1439
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:08,080
So, itness,

1440
02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:16,600
health and fitness facilities are permitted with limitations in the limited industrial zone

1441
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:31,580
and require use permit in the general industrial zone and the limitations relate to the

1442
02:05:31,580 --> 02:05:34,520
And now, I'll talk a little bit more about that.

1443
02:05:34,580 --> 02:05:38,440
You know, Mayor, I think you and our, um,

1444
02:05:40,220 --> 02:05:42,160
Suzanne are saying the same thing.

1445
02:05:42,340 --> 02:05:44,680
And I think we're getting caught up on semantics.

1446
02:05:45,700 --> 02:05:50,740
So, you know, I, I agree with, um,

1447
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:55,480
staff's recommendation to have it, um,

1448
02:05:56,180 --> 02:06:00,920
conditional use permits because it's really important to,

1449
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:06,740
and ensure that the businesses around them are compatible.

1450
02:06:08,460 --> 02:06:14,460
And the commercial area across the freeway, that's commercial, that's different.

1451
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:19,840
And so what's before us tonight, in my mind, makes sense.

1452
02:06:19,980 --> 02:06:30,120
And I would like to keep the conditional use obligation in this ordinance.

1453
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:48,580
This is cleanup that's specific to two roads and, you know, fine with staff looking at, you know, what's permissible on the shooting gallery, but it wasn't the will of the entire council.

1454
02:06:48,880 --> 02:07:00,100
It was I'll go along with it, but with all the caveats that I said before, but I would like to move to approve what

1455
02:07:01,560 --> 02:07:07,640
before us this evening and not take away the conditional use, that's fixed.

1456
02:07:08,360 --> 02:07:08,520
Okay.

1457
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:11,720
I have to work, please. Yes, quite fair.

1458
02:07:13,020 --> 02:07:14,420
So I think it would be easy to stop.

1459
02:07:14,700 --> 02:07:16,660
So I'd like for somebody to please give me the information.

1460
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:19,140
I'd like to be going to move the item and if not, that's fine.

1461
02:07:20,060 --> 02:07:22,480
But the question I have that I still have is,

1462
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:28,560
especially auto status place that's over by star sports that has multiple

1463
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:30,060
tenants.

1464
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:32,840
Are we now in this action?

1465
02:07:33,140 --> 02:07:37,460
Removing the requirement for conditional use permit for a sports

1466
02:07:37,460 --> 02:07:38,560
training facility.

1467
02:07:41,460 --> 02:07:42,840
Vice-Nera Allerous Fund.

1468
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:50,840
The proposal is to require a use permit for commercial

1469
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:58,960
recreation indoor, which is inclusive of multiple uses, including sports training, and the reason

1470
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:06,740
is because there are factors in the industrial district that would affect the compatibility

1471
02:08:06,740 --> 02:08:14,860
of the use. There is proximity to the railway. There is proximity to existing industrial uses,

1472
02:08:14,860 --> 02:08:24,280
as well as major traffic corridors and this is the proposal that we have before you this evening

1473
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:31,380
and it's consistent with how commercial recreation indoor is addressed in the general industrial

1474
02:08:31,380 --> 02:08:40,660
zone as well. So the idea is you still have them or I guess we've been now you'd still require

1475
02:08:40,660 --> 02:08:43,080
to use permit for that area.

1476
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:46,840
Correct. The proposal before you this evening would require a conditional

1477
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:52,020
use permit for commercial recreation indoor, which is inclusive of sports training.

1478
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:57,780
If I may mirror, let me write some clarity, and the operative word is still, the action

1479
02:08:57,780 --> 02:09:02,400
tonight will allow something that is not allowed currently. That's the key point.

1480
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:07,360
Currently, you would not be allowed to do this. You even have the option of a condition

1481
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:12,540
use permit. So it's not still. It is providing a path to allow something that has been forbidden.

1482
02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:15,320
That is what we're talking about tonight.

1483
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:20,740
Yeah, but I guess the point I'm trying to make in the want to make sure staff understands this is

1484
02:09:20,740 --> 02:09:26,180
that that simple conditional use permit process is a massive barrier for small business that

1485
02:09:26,180 --> 02:09:37,340
actually wants to try to make something happening in our community. And I guess what I'm trying to

1486
02:09:37,340 --> 02:09:44,700
to the broad of a brush and not actually look at these unique zone to areas to try to actually make it easier within the community.

1487
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:53,100
And so I guess I'm not happy with the work that's been done, so I would either ask you to exclude that area specifically,

1488
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:56,480
or to continue until you've completed that work.

1489
02:10:00,780 --> 02:10:14,640
Let me ask a question, Suzanne, you mentioned the proximity to a railroad, proximity to a highway, how was that relevant to an indoor bedding cage operation?

1490
02:10:16,120 --> 02:10:25,000
It's all indoors. Why would being close to a railroad require a use permit for an indoor bedding cage facility?

1491
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:26,600
if I may.

1492
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:35,160
And this is a conversation that I've had for many years. And I want to highlight

1493
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:41,340
that this is an industrial park, so it's not so much the infringement of the activity

1494
02:10:41,340 --> 02:10:50,320
of batting cages or soccer nets. It is having that activity next to uses that are very

1495
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:55,120
industrial. So, for example, you put something in there today and it's fine, but very

1496
02:10:55,120 --> 02:11:01,020
next door, you're doing something that is an industrial nature that you might not want to

1497
02:11:01,020 --> 02:11:08,040
have children going in there at a young age with an activity next to various types of industrial

1498
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:14,480
uses on that train that is carrying industrial material. And so that is the balance that

1499
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:19,360
we're, we've tried at staff four years and years and years to accommodate a community need,

1500
02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:26,020
which is recreational in nature, balanced by the desire to insulate what is our breadbasket

1501
02:11:26,020 --> 02:11:30,780
economically and from a job standpoint when it comes to an industrial activity.

1502
02:11:31,460 --> 02:11:36,240
The count to Vice Mayor Mascinsky's point, the reason we are focusing on this specific area

1503
02:11:36,240 --> 02:11:43,380
is because it is uniquely isolated and it does certainly have certain qualities that

1504
02:11:43,380 --> 02:11:46,940
are we seeing the other industrial park, but it is unique and it's a standalone building.

1505
02:11:46,940 --> 02:11:51,100
So, there was ever going to be a place where you would park these types of things.

1506
02:11:51,700 --> 02:11:56,660
It's there, and that's why it's very, very limited, and you don't see these opportunities

1507
02:11:56,660 --> 02:11:58,220
elsewhere on our industrial park.

1508
02:11:59,020 --> 02:12:04,520
So, it is that balance to the vice-mars point out if we have identified it as the single

1509
02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:06,860
location, do we really need to use permit?

1510
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:08,840
And that is to Suzanne's point.

1511
02:12:08,940 --> 02:12:14,180
That's kind of the policy direction of council, if you'd like to proceed to that further.

1512
02:12:14,180 --> 02:12:20,240
Now, we had a conversation earlier several years ago when we talked about recreational uses

1513
02:12:21,100 --> 02:12:25,480
in the law or part of the industrial park, the more industrial portion of it.

1514
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:33,340
And the concern there was heavy equipment and sharing parking with heavy equipment and those

1515
02:12:33,340 --> 02:12:38,060
were, I think, completely legitimate issues and then they should have been addressed and we

1516
02:12:38,060 --> 02:12:39,220
did address them.

1517
02:12:39,220 --> 02:12:45,240
Here, I think you said, though, that we might also see heavy industrial uses out in this area.

1518
02:12:46,900 --> 02:12:49,480
And that's why we ought to have a requirement for a use permit.

1519
02:12:51,080 --> 02:13:00,720
I think that we have to recognize that just beyond this property is a train track that carries various materials.

1520
02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:07,960
I think the reason why staffs recommending additional use permit is we're sensitive of that activity can come in.

1521
02:13:08,680 --> 02:13:14,800
We know, obviously, that we had a refinery, we had a cement factory related to that.

1522
02:13:15,300 --> 02:13:18,340
Those things are still alive in our industrial park.

1523
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:25,800
We're just causing it of the environment in which we are allowing something that has not been allowed there before.

1524
02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:34,800
That's the point that staff's trying to make here if Council feels that it's secure and safe enough and not concerned about those other activities

1525
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:38,080
And you don't want to use permit that's the direction council can provide

1526
02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:47,860
It is the very least a step towards allowing something that was not previously permissible and so we're we're getting closer if Council wants to

1527
02:13:48,700 --> 02:13:51,720
We'll move that pause button, that's certainly up to the will of the council.

1528
02:13:52,380 --> 02:13:52,900
Thank you.

1529
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:53,780
Councilmember Scott.

1530
02:13:55,880 --> 02:13:56,480
Thank you, City Manager.

1531
02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,240
And I appreciate that.

1532
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:11,360
I appreciate the fact that we're looking at the opportunity of perhaps opening up a specific area that doesn't have some of the concern that I think was happening a number of years ago with big trucks and small cars.

1533
02:14:12,240 --> 02:14:24,460
But I really agree with Vice Mayor Massinsky, and I'm trying to understand what we're trying to solve here.

1534
02:14:24,580 --> 02:14:27,500
I don't think it's still, it's here yet.

1535
02:14:28,020 --> 02:14:34,080
And I think that any action tonight would not understanding what we are going to do about shooting galleries,

1536
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:40,500
how we really defined what is a practice facility, competition, et cetera.

1537
02:14:40,500 --> 02:14:48,700
I think there's so many unanswered questions that I think the best thing that we could do

1538
02:14:48,700 --> 02:14:55,620
at this point is, and I hope a council of Vice-Marems, since he's agreeing with me,

1539
02:14:56,440 --> 02:14:59,960
is perhaps come back and define a little bit further than difference.

1540
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,760
The conference between the conditional use permit and what we're trying to do in this one specific area.

1541
02:15:07,700 --> 02:15:23,500
It seems that we're trying to open up an area but put so many restrictions on what it can be, yet across the freeway, you can't do that, because then it's a conditional use permit.

1542
02:15:23,500 --> 02:15:28,100
I think that it's going to cause a lot of potential confusion.

1543
02:15:29,340 --> 02:15:32,480
So, could you have a suggestion on how we proceed here?

1544
02:15:32,500 --> 02:15:36,460
My suggestion is we send this back to staff.

1545
02:15:37,120 --> 02:15:40,720
I think they've heard a lot of the areas of concern

1546
02:15:41,800 --> 02:15:46,590
and represent this to us with a number of areas where

1547
02:15:47,290 --> 02:15:55,350
what is the difference between the says location citywide? Well I think it's not

1548
02:15:55,350 --> 02:16:03,110
citywide. It's a specific area identified in a zone and that other areas

1549
02:16:03,110 --> 02:16:08,610
would have to be viewed from a conditional use permit. I think we need to define

1550
02:16:08,610 --> 02:16:13,450
this a little bit further. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor Orwara as well. Thank you, Mayor.

1551
02:16:15,010 --> 02:16:17,330
One final, terrifying question.

1552
02:16:18,590 --> 02:16:24,310
I understand the point the vice mayor is making.

1553
02:16:25,670 --> 02:16:28,130
And on one hand, I agree with them.

1554
02:16:28,410 --> 02:16:31,150
Sometimes we just have to send us to make things really complicated.

1555
02:16:32,310 --> 02:16:35,470
The other hand, I understand the point staff's making.

1556
02:16:35,470 --> 02:16:55,170
So my question is, the conditional use permit or requirement, what impact would that have on the cost of an application and the timing as to review the application?

1557
02:16:55,170 --> 02:17:03,070
because crossing my fingers that maybe everyone can kind of get what they want, which is if it's a

1558
02:17:03,070 --> 02:17:10,050
bag and cage, let's keep it simple, but we just want that authority for lack of a better word,

1559
02:17:10,330 --> 02:17:19,010
to pause, to really look at this, to scan the zone, to confirm, validate, and or say, you know,

1560
02:17:19,010 --> 02:17:22,870
But this doesn't, because selling moved in six months ago, et cetera.

1561
02:17:23,630 --> 02:17:34,230
So the condition of use permit, what is the impact on the cost and the timeiness to kind of proceed?

1562
02:17:38,510 --> 02:17:46,390
So this ballpark estimate for a use permit would be probably about $7,000.

1563
02:17:48,890 --> 02:17:51,470
In terms of timeline,

1564
02:17:54,590 --> 02:18:04,390
regardless of whether there is a use permit, it will not be as simple as setting up a batting cage inside of a warehouse because this would be a change of use.

1565
02:18:05,110 --> 02:18:10,890
So, there would be the use permit process or change of change of occupancy, pardon me.

1566
02:18:11,290 --> 02:18:20,810
There's the use permit process by which we would evaluate the compatibility of, let's say, a batting cage, with the location and the surrounding businesses.

1567
02:18:21,230 --> 02:18:29,390
Bering in mind that almost all types of industrial uses are permitted in the industrial zone, without a limitation on the hazard of those uses.

1568
02:18:29,390 --> 02:18:33,890
The only limitation on the hazard of those uses is in the building and the fire codes.

1569
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:36,650
So we would take a look at the compatibility.

1570
02:18:37,030 --> 02:18:38,410
We would take a look at parking.

1571
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:45,610
We would take a look at any other conditions of approval necessary to ensure the safety and compatibility of the use.

1572
02:18:46,370 --> 02:18:50,850
It could then go into building permits because it's a change of occupancy.

1573
02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:54,590
There would be certain code requirements that come into place for life safety.

1574
02:18:55,490 --> 02:19:01,790
You know, we have some tilt-up buildings that do not have secure roof to wall attachments, for example.

1575
02:19:02,370 --> 02:19:03,550
That would need to be addressed.

1576
02:19:04,550 --> 02:19:09,050
We would also likely be looking at some upgrades for fire suppression,

1577
02:19:12,010 --> 02:19:15,650
Begress, other life safety occupants or requirements ADA.

1578
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:20,350
And then, once the permit is approved, it can be issued and proceed to construction.

1579
02:19:20,350 --> 02:19:45,750
And so while the use permit process, I would say is, you know, generally three to five months getting through all of the required permits would probably be closer to nine to 12 from start to finish just because it is a detailed process that brings in multiple code requirements beyond the city's per view.

1580
02:19:47,390 --> 02:19:48,870
Yeah, sure.

1581
02:19:49,310 --> 02:19:53,750
So what I'm hearing is, thank you.

1582
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:59,490
What I'm hearing is the purpose.

1583
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:26,980
Of the conditional use permit requirement, and I'm oversimplifying this, is to ensure that whoever moves into a unit in the industrial park, but still a real thing, that there is this review of everything you went through, whereas if the conditional use requirement wasn't in place, I'm oversimplifying it.

1584
02:20:26,980 --> 02:20:40,740
Someone could literally move in and open a batting cage without a lot of the health safety requirements that you mentioned along with a few other things.

1585
02:20:40,740 --> 02:20:49,480
So in the absence of the use permit, they could obtain their attenent, they would still need permits for their tentant improvements.

1586
02:20:49,740 --> 02:20:56,280
They'd probably be looking at building permits, fire sprinkler permits, maybe an encouragement permit.

1587
02:20:56,980 --> 02:20:59,880
But they would not have a planning permit, so there would not be a use permit.

1588
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:07,420
So the only requirements that the city would apply would be those established in state regulation in the building and fire codes.

1589
02:21:07,420 --> 02:21:15,180
We would not be applying any conditions of approval or any requirements related to parking management, for example,

1590
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:24,160
or other things that could be site-specific and necessary to ensure that it's a harmonious use with its surrounding neighbors or safe.

1591
02:21:26,600 --> 02:21:33,760
So, are you saying we don't have parking requirements through specific uses that they go in with no parking at all?

1592
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:36,580
We have parking requirements,

1593
02:21:39,500 --> 02:21:45,500
but through the use permit process, we would evaluate the parking,

1594
02:21:46,140 --> 02:21:51,540
often we're able to work with people based upon this particular business and the hours

1595
02:21:51,540 --> 02:21:58,320
of their operation to allow a more efficient scenario for parking without limiting their ability

1596
02:21:58,320 --> 02:21:59,620
to operate their business.

1597
02:21:59,620 --> 02:22:02,840
But without making them go through the use permit process,

1598
02:22:04,360 --> 02:22:06,580
is you're still going to do like safety,

1599
02:22:07,420 --> 02:22:07,740
buildings,

1600
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:09,160
code.

1601
02:22:10,220 --> 02:22:10,720
You still look at it.

1602
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:12,840
I review it of parking before.

1603
02:22:13,240 --> 02:22:14,700
We would still look at parking.

1604
02:22:16,660 --> 02:22:20,080
But probably there's not enough.

1605
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:22,760
And they go into a use permit anyway.

1606
02:22:24,380 --> 02:22:25,820
So if they need a very much.

1607
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:27,860
Right, you don't get a variance to reduce parking.

1608
02:22:27,860 --> 02:22:29,620
you get a use permit to reduce parking.

1609
02:22:30,380 --> 02:22:32,960
But then in that instance, we're only looking at parking.

1610
02:22:33,080 --> 02:22:35,860
We're not looking at the compatibility of the use.

1611
02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:39,960
Which, again, this being in an industrial park,

1612
02:22:40,520 --> 02:22:43,460
I would underscore that factor.

1613
02:22:46,730 --> 02:22:48,850
I guess I'm struggling with the compatibility

1614
02:22:48,850 --> 02:22:55,650
question of entirely enclosed operation of climbing

1615
02:22:55,650 --> 02:23:04,270
structures or bedding cages or locker, whatever it is, if it's entirely enclosed and I'm

1616
02:23:04,270 --> 02:23:10,850
struggling to figure it out what those external issues are that we would have to be concerned

1617
02:23:10,850 --> 02:23:11,970
about.

1618
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:26,470
Businesses in the vicinity with noxious, hazardous, highly flammable materials in this area.

1619
02:23:26,470 --> 02:23:30,970
in the limited industrial zone, yes, that are brought on and off site daily.

1620
02:23:32,490 --> 02:23:33,870
That already exists.

1621
02:23:34,750 --> 02:23:41,390
They, there are businesses like that in the limited industrial zone that do and will continue to exist because they're permitted.

1622
02:23:41,530 --> 02:23:42,250
They are permitted.

1623
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:56,150
So, in that case, it's not that the city would seek to prevent a batting cage, but we might want to know more about the surrounding context and allow for a hearing,

1624
02:23:56,150 --> 02:24:03,630
or allow for an evaluation or establish conditions of approval that reduce the risk to the

1625
02:24:03,630 --> 02:24:05,510
commercial users of the business.

1626
02:24:07,980 --> 02:24:11,940
So, I mean, those are the kinds of things that I would point out for you to consider.

1627
02:24:12,360 --> 02:24:19,920
That's what words I like to move to approve, wave the first reading, read by Title

1628
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:25,720
only in and move to approve this ordinance that

1629
02:24:25,720 --> 02:24:29,040
amends the Anisha Municipal Code.

1630
02:24:31,340 --> 02:24:32,520
Is there a second?

1631
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:35,020
I'll second that.

1632
02:24:37,530 --> 02:24:45,830
Before I call the vote, Ms. Vice-Mere, anything you want to add to this?

1633
02:24:47,100 --> 02:24:48,740
Yeah, I'm not sure if you're making it easier.

1634
02:24:49,060 --> 02:24:50,280
Yes, we're creating a pathway.

1635
02:24:50,960 --> 02:24:54,440
Yes, the conditional use for installing the cost $7,000, but it's

1636
02:24:54,440 --> 02:24:59,960
of the youth, which I'm trying to eliminate, because I think, again, I'll say it.

1637
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:18,020
I don't think staff did a detailed enough analysis toward the adjacencies of these uses, because if you pull up the tendencies, specifically related to the gateway, Plaza Drive 1, it starts sports uniforms, nicks custom golf carts, and then they do it only.

1638
02:25:19,860 --> 02:25:26,900
So, somebody can explain to me how hazardous uses could potentially occur there, sure,

1639
02:25:27,640 --> 02:25:29,180
because they could occur in the future.

1640
02:25:29,820 --> 02:25:34,760
So then come up with a way to buffer them from the sensitive use that we're talking about in this area.

1641
02:25:35,880 --> 02:25:38,840
I just, unfortunately, don't think we've hit the mark here.

1642
02:25:38,940 --> 02:25:40,700
So if you guys want to move forward with it, go forward.

1643
02:25:40,840 --> 02:25:42,520
I'm going to be voting now.

1644
02:25:45,180 --> 02:25:49,520
As well as we want to have the vote.

1645
02:25:50,560 --> 02:25:51,700
I want to call for the vote.

1646
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:52,520
All right.

1647
02:25:53,340 --> 02:25:54,560
This was called the role.

1648
02:25:55,720 --> 02:25:56,600
Council members.

1649
02:25:56,920 --> 02:25:57,440
Yes.

1650
02:25:58,440 --> 02:25:59,060
Larry Spada.

1651
02:25:59,280 --> 02:25:59,740
Yes.

1652
02:26:00,500 --> 02:26:01,320
Ms. Sensky.

1653
02:26:03,160 --> 02:26:03,680
No.

1654
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:03,880
Scott?

1655
02:26:04,700 --> 02:26:04,780
No.

1656
02:26:06,280 --> 02:26:06,880
And there you go.

1657
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:07,720
No.

1658
02:26:08,620 --> 02:26:12,440
So that puts us back to the question of whether we want to

1659
02:26:12,440 --> 02:26:19,860
refer this back to the staff for further explanation and further refinement of the

1660
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:30,900
specifically having to do with the definition of limited, not limited, the commercial recreation

1661
02:26:30,900 --> 02:26:35,720
portion I think is where we're sort of stuck. And I would like to see a little bit more

1662
02:26:35,720 --> 02:26:47,060
discussion and analysis of why these particular uses for sports activities should not

1663
02:26:47,060 --> 02:26:53,740
be allowable uses. That's my preference. And so I would like to make a motion that we refer

1664
02:26:53,740 --> 02:27:00,540
this item back for further analysis and return to the council for further action.

1665
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:04,420
All right, we've got a motion in a second.

1666
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:05,940
Ms. Wolf, we call the roll.

1667
02:27:08,810 --> 02:27:10,490
Sure. Yes.

1668
02:27:16,240 --> 02:27:17,040
Yes. Yes.

1669
02:27:18,480 --> 02:27:24,220
Thank you. That takes us to the council task force reports.

1670
02:27:24,580 --> 02:27:26,880
The ad hoc reports.

1671
02:27:28,540 --> 02:27:31,280
And Mayor Vice Mayor, you're remote,

1672
02:27:31,580 --> 02:27:33,820
but do you have anything you'd like to add to this report?

1673
02:27:34,840 --> 02:27:41,120
The board is part of the task force responsibilities continue to build committee questions related to

1674
02:27:41,340 --> 02:27:42,680
as we all do.

1675
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:43,520
Okay.

1676
02:27:43,740 --> 02:27:43,960
Nothing.

1677
02:27:44,620 --> 02:27:45,820
Thank you.

1678
02:27:45,900 --> 02:27:47,180
Thank you.

1679
02:27:47,180 --> 02:27:57,840
The signature has been having a number of outreach meetings and we'll host two open house sessions at the library

1680
02:27:57,840 --> 02:28:00,120
in August and September.

1681
02:28:00,120 --> 02:28:14,600
They have three or four large meetings already scheduled over the summer to conduct, and they will be posting dates and times for their open houses later this week.

1682
02:28:14,980 --> 02:28:16,080
So check their website.

1683
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:17,360
Let's go over there.

1684
02:28:17,360 --> 02:28:18,580
Nothing new to report.

1685
02:28:19,020 --> 02:28:19,240
All right.

1686
02:28:19,480 --> 02:28:26,360
And I'll talk a little bit more as I usually do about the year district grant for those who were not aware.

1687
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:34,740
Our application was ranked by staff at the air district, we did not do well.

1688
02:28:35,780 --> 02:28:40,140
The school district applied also for the catalyst grant.

1689
02:28:40,180 --> 02:28:42,700
The score substantially higher than the city did.

1690
02:28:43,460 --> 02:28:50,720
One of the issues was they submitted for very specific grants that were easy to understand.

1691
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:59,600
They had to deal with environmental improvements replacing windows in the like the problem and they asked for 25 million dollars of the 40.

1692
02:29:00,060 --> 02:29:01,200
We asked for the full 40.

1693
02:29:02,580 --> 02:29:14,900
The problem was that the school district projects had already been listed and voted upon by the public and a hundred and twenty two million dollar bond issue was approved.

1694
02:29:14,900 --> 02:29:18,760
these projects are already there and paid for.

1695
02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:23,900
And so it was the serving or certainly concerning,

1696
02:29:24,860 --> 02:29:27,420
why they would want to apply for this money.

1697
02:29:28,380 --> 02:29:32,100
I mean, the easiest explanation is there's a lot of money out there.

1698
02:29:32,220 --> 02:29:34,480
Why not go for it? Why not try?

1699
02:29:35,260 --> 02:29:37,420
And so I'm thinking that that was their approach.

1700
02:29:37,640 --> 02:29:38,660
We've already got something written up.

1701
02:29:38,740 --> 02:29:40,920
We used it for the bond issue. Why not?

1702
02:29:41,580 --> 02:29:56,400
I don't think that the raiders at the air district understood that, so there was a meeting of the community economic and housing justice, I think it's a name of the committee at the air district that I serve on.

1703
02:29:57,260 --> 02:29:59,960
They had a meeting to talk about the ranking.

1704
02:30:01,480 --> 02:30:12,160
There was a number of Venetia residents who commented, including myself. And we raised this issue with the district. We raised

1705
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:24,260
issue about the rankings. At the end of the day, the leadership of the district said, well, the rankings are done, but we want to give both the

1706
02:30:24,260 --> 02:30:31,440
the city, the right, the opportunity to go back and talk some more with us and amend their

1707
02:30:31,440 --> 02:30:40,160
applications, which was good news. And so the city now has been working hard on trying to

1708
02:30:40,980 --> 02:30:49,000
update and change our grant application, and it's due in a week, or it's due by the end of the month.

1709
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:55,520
And then what's going to happen is that the air district will come back with revised recommendations,

1710
02:30:56,520 --> 02:30:59,000
which will go to the full board on September 2nd.

1711
02:31:00,100 --> 02:31:08,140
We will know within the first couple of weeks in August what their response is.

1712
02:31:08,420 --> 02:31:18,980
And that will probably determine what our response is, at least from a community input we may end up

1713
02:31:18,980 --> 02:31:26,840
second or having people call in by Zoom and comment or alternatively maybe they give us a much

1714
02:31:26,840 --> 02:31:33,180
better ranking the second time around and we don't have to do all that. So it remains to be

1715
02:31:33,180 --> 02:31:41,140
seen the only other thing I wanted to mention is that the guidelines themselves were in my mind

1716
02:31:41,140 --> 02:31:46,120
suspect from the beginning. I didn't raise it at the time they were approved by the board because I

1717
02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:51,700
more focused on making sure the city got an exemption from the partnership requirements,

1718
02:31:51,900 --> 02:31:58,580
which we were successful in doing, which was a big deal, but the result was that the non-profits

1719
02:31:58,580 --> 02:32:04,460
who were applying for the opportunity grants did not get that exemption. And they had to go through

1720
02:32:04,460 --> 02:32:13,200
a much more elaborate application process, a very bureaucratic and top-down process. And the hardest part

1721
02:32:13,200 --> 02:32:21,540
for me to understand was a requirement that the non-profits find a partner, and that that

1722
02:32:21,540 --> 02:32:27,420
partner then would get 25 percent of whatever was granted to the non-profit.

1723
02:32:28,060 --> 02:32:33,520
And for the life of me, I don't understand what the purpose of that rule is, because in

1724
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:40,260
Benetians case, it was sort of forced some shotgun marriages for groups that may not have had

1725
02:32:40,260 --> 02:32:46,640
reason to work together, yet 25% of the money would be peeled off from the main applicants,

1726
02:32:47,480 --> 02:32:54,460
proposal, and spent, or given to this partner agency. And I'm not sure what that money

1727
02:32:54,460 --> 02:33:00,340
would be used for. So I've, I'm going to be speaking, and I have written a memo to the leadership

1728
02:33:00,340 --> 02:33:06,740
at the Air District, suggesting that they need to look at that particular rule, because although

1729
02:33:06,740 --> 02:33:08,480
So it may be too late for Benisha.

1730
02:33:09,420 --> 02:33:12,740
This is the first of many such processes

1731
02:33:12,740 --> 02:33:14,240
that the air district will go through

1732
02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:16,040
and they need to get this right.

1733
02:33:16,300 --> 02:33:17,960
And right now I don't think it is right.

1734
02:33:18,580 --> 02:33:21,360
So that's maybe a little bit too much in the weeds,

1735
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:23,520
but there's a lot of money involved.

1736
02:33:24,060 --> 02:33:26,440
And there's a lot of nonprofits who are hopeful

1737
02:33:26,440 --> 02:33:27,420
of getting something.

1738
02:33:27,780 --> 02:33:29,300
And if we're gonna make this thing work,

1739
02:33:29,440 --> 02:33:30,740
we gotta make it work right.

1740
02:33:31,320 --> 02:33:33,520
And so I'm working on that and of it.

1741
02:33:33,660 --> 02:33:35,940
I'll certainly be working once we submit

1742
02:33:35,940 --> 02:33:40,460
our application and then we're going to have to be working with the other board members to make

1743
02:33:40,460 --> 02:33:46,060
sure we can get majority support when the time has come so it to actually approve the grants

1744
02:33:46,060 --> 02:33:53,180
themselves. So the next six weeks between now and September 2nd will be critical and there's

1745
02:33:53,180 --> 02:33:58,740
a lot of money involved. It's 30 to 40 million dollars on the city side and we're also applying

1746
02:33:58,740 --> 02:34:03,620
some opportunity grants and some local non-profits are applying for opportunity grants.

1747
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:11,800
So it's a significant opportunity and we need to

1748
02:34:13,850 --> 02:34:16,010
take every opportunity we can use that

1749
02:34:16,010 --> 02:34:17,050
award to many times.

1750
02:34:17,730 --> 02:34:25,570
Every chance we can to press the city's concerns and issues with the larger air district board.

1751
02:34:25,790 --> 02:34:26,910
And I'll leave it at that.

1752
02:34:26,910 --> 02:34:29,930
So with that, we are a direct

1753
02:34:33,320 --> 02:34:35,020
recording stop.