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Okay. Hello everyone. Good evening. We're going to have you quiet down fees. Thank you. Okay.

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I'm calling to order a special meeting of the Berkeley City Council today's Thursday, May 7th, 2026. It is 509 p.m. Clerk, can you please take the roll? Okay. Councilmember Kisterwani.

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Here.

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Tap one.

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Presence.

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Bartlett is currently absent.

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Tragum.

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Here.

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Humver.

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Presence.

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And mayor.

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Here.

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Okay.

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Quorum is present.

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So folks tonight.

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We have two items on our action calendar.

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One is the public safety technology surveillance technology ordinance.

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the police equipment, ordinance approvals, policy updates, and contract authority.

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And one B is the social justice implications of contracts with immigration data broker

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Flock Safety, which came from the Peace and Justice Commission.

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This is a continuation from a meeting that we had on March 24th, 2026.

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A few things I want to say before we get started.

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Rhanna.

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I know there are a lot of folks here and there's a lot of energy in the room, but I really

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to ask you all to continue to be respectful as people are speaking and allow them to speak.

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Of course, you're welcome to cheer and clap and stuff when someone speaks and says something

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you want but I ask you not to boo. It's both disrespectful and against our rules of procedures.

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So the other thing is that as we are going this evening, if you have public comment and you're

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I mean, with a group, we encourage you, you don't have to, but we encourage you if you're speaking in a group that you speak, maybe have one person and then the other folks come up if you agree already with what they're saying, because that will allow for more people to speak this evening.

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Okay, so last meeting, one of the things that we did was we heard from our Berkeley Police Department,

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we heard from our PAB, our Police Accountability Board, and then we heard all of the different

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supplemental that were presented from the last meeting. So we don't have any presentations tonight.

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What we're going to be focused on are first the questions, first the questions from the council,

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and then we'll take public comment and then we will have council comments and any motions that happen.

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So just so folks have a sense of what's going to happen this evening.

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That's our little road map. And so what I do want to do is just go ahead and start

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if anyone from the council has any questions.

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Come on, I know folks have questions.

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Okay, so I will start with a question and one question that I had from last time was

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Sorry, my question list got adjusted.

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If you could speak to the difference between our current

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community registry program and the proposed CVS.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So CVS community video streams, it's our proposal to

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really expansion in a deepening of our current camera registry program.

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So, currently what we do is if a business has set a cameras that they want us to be aware of in the case that we're investigating a crime that occurs nearby, then we know that that camera is there and we can more quickly obtain evidence that we need to do the investigation.

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And where we could directly access that video footage if they allow us to. And so I propose that for that program would be that we go through an inspection process of the cameras before we would connect to them to make sure that they're not pointing anywhere that we shouldn't be able to have access to.

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We would publish on our website, the location of all those cameras, and we would require appropriate

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signage near those cameras so that the public is aware that they are connected to our system.

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I just don't want to add one more thing.

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One of the challenges we have with our current camera system, the way it works, is that a lot

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of times we'll be investigating a crime, we'll be in the moment of investigating a crime.

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The manager is the only person who has access to the room that has the camera, or there's

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reader that's associated with being able to download the file and then view it once it's taken.

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So this would allow us to both have that access, regardless of whether or not there was a

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manager on site, but also not run into the challenges we have with evidence collection right now

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we're forced sometimes to use a phone and and videotape the screen as it's playing obviously

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there's a degradation of the evidence when we do it that way. Thanks, Chief. And follow up question

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on that. Can you speak to the community video surveillance process? What has been done so

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far to help the community understand what this system would look like.

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We've gone through the surveillance technology ordinance process as required by 2.99.

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And we've submitted use policies or acquisition report.

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And that's what council is considering today.

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And if you remember we talked about it about two community meetings.

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Additionally, we covered it in a presentation talking to Pav about what that technology looks like.

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We've had a number of neighborhood watch meetings where we've gone and talked about the

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different technologies and we'll share that in the March 24th meeting with council

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when we talked about that technology.

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Thank you and I'm going to go ahead and jump to my council member colleagues and say now join

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the queue and I might have some more questions later.

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Let's go to council member Tracab.

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Thank you. I want to delve into the unmanned aerial system policy 1303. Could you speak

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to your perspective around if there were limitations in the policy that were restrictive

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of the ability of such UAS systems, yes, this is DRFTs, to surveil areas of mass gatherings,

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like protests,

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other than subject to exigent circumstances, which would be something like

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a medical emergency or an act of shooter situation.

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I'm not sure I'm completely tracking your question, is your question that would we use this

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technology to oversee a lawful gathering or a protest action, absent there being an

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exigent circumstance?

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The question is I actually trust you that you wouldn't, however in my reading of the policy,

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However, in my reading of the policy, it does not, in my reading of it, it does not specifically

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preclude a future PD from doing that.

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Could you speak to, yeah, so, in there.

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So, 3.03 prohibited uses, UAS shall not be used to conduct random or arbitrary surveillance

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activities. This prohibition includes but is not limited to first amendment

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assemblies and accordance with policy 428, first amendment assemblies. So there's a

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specific prohibit use that would be a prohibit use.

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Okay. Elsewhere in the policy, Tartino 3, there's mention of, yeah, two, so there's

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examples to us want to act of criminal activity at mass gatherings or special events.

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So, as you know, there's a awful assembly's happened, and we're guided by number of people who are there, maybe the issues that they're discussing, and our officers respond to those and have a goal of keeping the peace.

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And when a critical incident occurs, there's a language defining what a critical incident is, an event that occurs that is beyond normal capacity or normal responses.

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And so those are industry standard terms, some of those are embedded in different places

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in our use of force policy and are embedded in our 428 first amendment assembly policies

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as well.

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Thank you.

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I have one question for the city of Tornead in terms of the amount for violation that the

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If the council chooses to go that route, would it be a policy decision for us to say maybe not 75 and maybe not 150, but maybe looking at Richmond's 290 or Oakland's 200.

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Okay, for violation.

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Yes, that's squarely a policy decision that you get to make.

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And I think this might be for the city manager, but let me know.

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On the staff's supplement for procurement, there is mentioned, there's language that says

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flocks for catalog is available for purchase on the region for ESC contract.

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if it all does this relate to flux promised discount, if the procurement was completed

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by July, which is something that I also had elsewhere in the document or in a different

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document.

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Yes, so the, that procurement had the price in terms that flock proposed via the procurement.

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They are always free to negotiate discount however they wish with any potential vendor.

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Okay, and if I, that was my penultimate question, this will be my last question.

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Can you speak to what this piggyback contract was based on, I did here, or it was my understanding

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that it was based on a school district in Texas, and if so, how may the, can you speak

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to the comparisons between a U.S.D. in Texas with probably different operational needs

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than a medium-sized city, like Berkeley.

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Yes, thank you for the question. Our finance director is also on the line, so he

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may want to chime in here, but essentially, when you're piggybacking off a contract, you're

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looking at the product, in this case, that you're seeking to procure and the price.

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And so as long as it's the same product and they've bitted out at a competitive price, then

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you're then in there's a process that they went through in our P process and put that

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forth, then if our securing that product complies with their, it's the same product that

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we're trying to secure the day bid for when that satisfies it.

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So, and this is a common practice in the city where we will procure things like a move

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or a truck or something like that.

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If I'm a procurement that is either, could be from a state, could be from a county, somewhere

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in the country, excuse me, for the purposes in radio per chemit and they say, here's

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all the price in terms, here's the terms that we're looking for and the use in the product,

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If that entity applies to the solicitation and the product that we want to procure is what they proposed,

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then we have the ability to procure it.

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So just because, like for example, an Earth movement that is school,

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a big school district procurement was part of.

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Doesn't mean that like the fact that they're moving Earth on a school ground,

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rather than a park, doesn't make a difference.

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the fact that the program of camera to do security somewhere in their school district doesn't mean

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that we couldn't procure the exact same camera to do a security in the city.

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A couple questions for the Berkeley Police. I just would like to ask you a couple questions to get on the record. Hopefully a greater understanding of the nuances of the way the data is shared of the different kinds of data that are at stake.

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So first of all, the ALPR data generates like a searchable spreadsheet of license plates and locations in time, essentially, is that correct?

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Yeah, so the ALPR data allows us to search across exactly the database of those images

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that have been captured and identify whether that plate appears within our retention period of 30 days.

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Yeah, 30 days.

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Thank you.

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And can you briefly describe the process that, let's say, another officer in a just

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in a jurisdiction that we share our data with.

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By the way, if you could also just

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say quickly, like who we share with and what the rules are about that.

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And then I'd also love if you could walk us through what it would look like

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for an officer from one of those jurisdictions to search our data.

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So first, we only share with agencies within the NIMBary,

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counties in Sacramento, County.

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In agency within those counties and if they've signed a letter of agreement with us

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green to comply with state law and our

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sanctuary city ordinance.

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Once they've sent that letter, we will give them access to

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search across our network.

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And if they have a lawful reason to search, they will

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input a case number, they'll select a statute that the

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investigation is associated with, and they'll

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define the networks that they want to search across.

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And so if it includes ours, then that search will occur,

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and a little peer on our audit logs, so we'll be able to verify the information that they submitted.

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And what are their options?

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Like do they just type in whatever reason they want or what?

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They're required to give a case number.

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They're required to select a statute, and then they have the option to write an additional information.

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And I think I'm trying to confirm this with you.

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There's no immigration related justification, right?

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Because that's none of the statutes are.

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No, that's not available on the drop-down reasons.

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It's also against state law and against our local policies.

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Right. So all of the given reasons that they would have to stay at all in compliance with our saying very well.

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Thank you for clarifying that.

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And then can you talk a little bit about how that differs from the data that would be recorded by the video cameras,

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what you're proposing to acquire, because that's different.

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Yeah, that's completely different.

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We would not be sharing that with other agencies in the same way,

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except for in the same way that we share other types of evidence.

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When there's an active investigation, they come to us,

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they ask us to have this piece of evidence.

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If we did have some footage that was relevant, then we would download that

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and process it in the same way that we would have any other piece of evidence that we share.

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But just to be clear, it would be only Berkeley police officers who would be actually doing the searching and being complete control of the data sharing.

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Correct. There would be no case where another agency was given access to search through our footage that we have.

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Yeah, and just like because it's like not really searchable, you can't really type in a face, right? So it's not exactly the same.

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I think it's important to clarify the different kinds of different kinds of data that we're talking about and how they differ in terms of exposure.

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Those are my, I think I might have some more questions later, but those are my questions for the police.

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I did want to just pivot a little bit and say I did actually have a supplemental that wasn't presented last time, and if I could just, it's not like a big one.

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So it would be okay, Madam Mayor, if I just talked about it for a minute.

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I proposed, it's published in the packet, it was published yesterday, some minor changes

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to the drone use policy, I don't have it up or anything, but I could read it into the main

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changes into the record.

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The idea with my supplemental was, I'm not personally comfortable with the drones being

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being sent out for every call or just kind of for no reason.

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Like, I think that that was the vision that was presented.

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And I think I understand it.

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But I think drones, I'm not really interested in normalizing them

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as a police tool yet.

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I think that would be a big change.

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I see that they have a value in certain situations, but I would like, I'm proposing in my supplemental

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that way we restrict the times when they can be sent out to already this times when the suspect

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is believed to be on the scene or in the immediate area of the scene and could reasonably

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cause harm to those present. So this is sort of a emergency situation or a crime involving suspected

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physical violence or there's an imminent risk of physical injury due to a crime or a medical

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issue.

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So basically, the vision here is that we do send them out, but only when it really could

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make the difference in a really critical safety situation and not as was previously described

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when, you know, just to sort of check out a call to see if it's see what's going on, which

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I do understand the utility of that, but I'm not personally comfortable with that.

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So that's one of the big changes my supplemental is proposing.

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And then just to mention it also says no microphone or audio sensing device,

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he'll be activated at any time.

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And I think that's already understood as part of the expectation,

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but I did want that written into the locks.

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I don't think that drones should be able to listen to people.

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That's another kind of surveillance we do not have right now.

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And I don't want to invite it into our city.

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So that's my supplemental.

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We can table that now that I wanted to get a chance to present that.

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And yeah, I might have more questions, but I will yield to other people.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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And I appreciate you mentioning that apologies for leaving that out.

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And we did residmit our supplemental as well, but mostly just to reorganize it.

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So it was more aligned structurally with the staff.

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So it could make more sense when we are comparing them.

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So I'm curious actually, is Frog represented?

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Is there Frog representative on?

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He is on his way.

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Oh, okay.

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So, because I think there are some folks that have questions for them, so folks, please,

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all right.

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So, go ahead and Council Member Bartley.

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Thank you.

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And it's going to be back.

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Could be back.

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My question is really, at this point, around the video cameras, the fixed cameras, and particularly,

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I guess, so it's helped me to walk me through the process of how they're used, just

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high-level briefly.

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Are you talking about the fixed PTZ cameras, right?

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So, you know, if you recall originally, they were placed in intersections.

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That was pre-suppoint the ALPRs into the community, and what we realized after that first

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appointment at 6 a.m. University was that they weren't able to capture from the distance,

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they were able to really capture pedestrian activities and things like that.

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We came back to Council and explained, one we had power related issues around putting them

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the P.J., around the individual on cameras.

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And two, we wanted to place them in pedestrian heavy areas

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in our business districts to provide that ability

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to deter crime and solve crimes that occurred in those areas.

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So there would be deployed in the locations

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that Council approved with signage that says

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that the camera is there and that it's recording.

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There would be a tool that we would use access

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to pursue into the policy for various specific uses.

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But would then provide us with another investigative tool

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in a deterrent tool.

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So I guess so there's an incident robbery or to have you.

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We know it's this time, this location,

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so then when you rewind, you go into the footage

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to that moment.

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Yeah, that's correct.

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If we believe that there's ever been

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a true value on that video, the detectives would go

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and go through a process to create an audit trail,

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but they're looking at video at a certain camera,

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certain time, for a certain kind of crime.

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So at that point, and this is what I'm gonna get

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getting out here is the official recognition software.

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Are we deploying that at all?

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No, we're not.

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OK.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I also wanted to make sure folks knew

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that our interim director, please

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accountability Kathy Lee, is also sitting at the table.

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So just so folks know who you are since you

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weren't here at the last time.

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Thank you for thanks for joining.

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So if you have some big Kathy fans, OK.

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If you can, also, if folks have any questions, then you can ask her as well.

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Okay, so moving forward to, oh, Council Member Linnapara, but really quickly, I have apparently

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someone dropped a set of keys and a credit card outside.

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So if you have dropped your keys or credit card,

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maybe give a wave on this side of the barrier

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and we'll try to get back to you.

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Okay, all right, so tell us what I want to know about her.

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Go ahead.

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Thank you, and thank you for being here.

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As brought up by the PAB, can you explain the scope of prohibition on First Amendment assemblies, if, for example, a crowd

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doesn't disperse, is that criminal activity that would warrant the use of drones? Are there other instances of criminal activity at protest that would warrant the use of drones?

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So, no, we would not deploy a drone because the crowd didn't disperse the drone would be deployed

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if there's a risk of injury or there's ongoing injury, felony violence occurring

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against someone in the crowd, then we'd absolutely, an active shooter, people being assaulted.

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We would absolutely want to have the drone up to be able to go and record, identify who

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the responsible are.

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Some of the things we've learned in past activities like this is that the safest way to resolve

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instances like that is to figure out who the problematic person is, and then when there's a safe space to be able to take that person and arrest them without

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Negative the effecting the lawful assembly and that's a goal and so having that recording of the criminal activity

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It's happening for a prosecutable case as well as identifying in a

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And apprehending someone in a safer manner with that tool, but that's the kind of situation where I would expect that you would see

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drone flying in that and we would not be flying to

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simply be at a first amendment approach as or a mask gathering just to collect who's there at their location.

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I think it would be helpful to add to be more specific in the policy to make sure that we know

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when they could be used and when they couldn't. Can you elaborate on the six officer

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positions that are associated with this technology that are those positions currently

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staffed?

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It's a great question and we got a lot of convoluted because if you recall we brought

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this first item, I don't remember much earlier in the budget process.

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And so if you look at just how much it would cost for this technology in comparison to salary

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and benefits of an individual officer, it's roughly two officers.

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And however, in conversations with the union, who we consult with when we're making decisions

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about staffing levels and work status, we discuss like, hey, we want to come to the table,

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we know these technologies were bring us efficiencies, we'd like to propose that it could

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do the work of six positions.

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And so that's how we landed in the six, the number six, was in that kind of discussion.

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So that's what we brought for it.

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We've already moved past the space in the budget process where the city manager has made a proposal that identifies unnecessary cuts to our staffing.

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So we instead are now looking to what would be affected by bringing on this technology.

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And what you would see is instead of officers having to go physically to a location to gather video or to do neighborhood canvases or to have more officers on staff because you can't clear calls for service because

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You have to go individually to calls.

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We believe that we can recognize the savings in over time and reduce our over time budget.

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It could be equivalent of an addition to the cost that we would save by the implementation.

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So we're at a different space in the budget.

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And that's why we're talking about different numbers of officers and different costs savings.

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So to clarify the cost savings would be in over time, not in positions.

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Well, the proposal itself already sees a reduction of police officers positions.

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So those are happening separate from funding a technology process.

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And so those positions are either going to be preserved or eliminated pursuant to

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this council's desires around the budgeted positions for the department.

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If we are looking for ways to pay for a new technology that's going to cost money, the place

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that I will be looking at to pay for is not from new funds, which our city doesn't have

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right now, but from a reduction in my existing over time budget.

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Last year, the police department went over the over time budget.

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How would this play into those numbers,

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would it cut the overall budget allocation or the actual spending?

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Both.

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Both.

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I think you two both.

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I will share that our driver of that,

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Over time was almost all directly related to our severe staffing storage in the communication center.

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And so right now the amount of money we're spending on over time to ensure that we have the ability to answer calls that are coming in from the public.

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It said, you know, you lose it's it's one and a half percent or one and a half times an off position, a dispatcher position that you're charging in over time in order to fill those spots.

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And so we saw almost an additional $2 million this year where we're anticipating in over time as a result of that shortage.

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And so we know there's going to be that reduction then once we bring technology on board.

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And we have these greater efficiencies. We're able to reduce our minimum staffing number as we deploy in patrol with the technology. We think we can drive that number down even further. Obviously, we can't control things like special events or emergency situations that happen that sometimes unexpectedly raise our over time. But looking at the numbers and the way our shift extensions have run in over time. We believe we can drive that down with minimum staffing level changes that are only possible with technology that supports those that reduction.

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Okay, thank you. I'm curious what the training requirements are for operating drone technology.

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There are certain requirements from the FAA for drone pilots, and then we'll have additional training available to anybody that's going to be operating a drone.

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Be it a drone as a first responder or a patrol trunk deployed drone.

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To be the safety operate in those situations.

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Would that be required?

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Yes, yes.

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OK.

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Thank you.

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What protocols are in place to prevent the misuse of drone technology, such as unauthorized

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surveillance beyond the specific deployed use case?

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So, I mean, there are several layers here.

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One is the hardware limitations and how they're set to, for example, to a point

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the horizon as they're flying to a scene, not only to point down when they arrive at a scene.

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Another layer is our policies and another layer is the logging that occurs of each flight

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that gets published shortly after the flight, so the public will be able to see where a drone

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and wait shortly after it comes back and so there's a number of layers of scrutiny available

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to each drone deployment so that we can investigate any complaints but also monitor

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as these drones are getting used.

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Okay thank you and my last question is do all of the law enforcement agencies within the

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in Bay Area counties that share our data have written sanctuary city policies or sanctuary policies?

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I'm not aware of every single agency, I know many of them do, but that was certainly part of our

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intent by limiting the agencies that we share with to the local region to maximize public safety

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value without exposing ourselves to other agencies whose policies were not in control of.

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And just to be clear, we are a sanctuary state.

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We have laws that protect us as a state.

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Every single law enforcement agency in the state of California has policies and places

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that says you cannot violate state law.

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Folks, please.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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I know our local sanctuary is stronger than the states.

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So, which is why I asked.

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Thank you.

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Those are my questions for BPD, but I do have more for Flock.

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I think just to clarify real quick.

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So in order for another agency to look across our data,

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they have to agree to follow our sanctuary city policy,

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not whatever their city sanctuary policy is.

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So yeah, we hold them to that higher standard,

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in order for us to share with them.

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We would cut off access if they were doing something

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that did not comply with our city sanctuary city policy.

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Thanks, Chief.

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Okay, so we're moving on to Councilmember BlackBee,

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but I know there's a lot of folks standing.

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If you would like to sit, there are some seats throughout,

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don't feel bad about asking someone to move their belongings. I just want to make sure everyone can

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sit if they want to. Yeah, go ahead. Great. Thanks, Madam Mayor. Could I ask, is the flock

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rep here? Oh, awesome. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thank you. From the outset. No worries. I'll start with

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questions. Okay folks, please. That's not appropriate.

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Mayor, I'm glad we need to take a five minute

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All right, we will be taking a five minute break for audiovisual reasons. Thank you.

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I mean he's missed it, he's just gone now.

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He's got his friend so he's actually got his friend so he's got it.

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Enlightenment.

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These test test test test test test test test test test test

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I was fine

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on the zoom.

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Yeah.

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But now BCM doesn't have a good idea.

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Test, test, sound check,

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testing, testing,

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sound check.

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Test,

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test, audio, test, test, test,

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yes, rose muted after that.

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So,

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Med is there, is it, are you getting audio,

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S test test?

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We go, we go in there and talk to you, Rose, we go in there, where Med is an ask him if it's

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working,

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test test, test, audio test, test,

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test, test, BCM audio test, but can you hear me

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David?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay. Test, test, test, test, test, test, test, test.

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Okay. Rose is saying that Ned has thumbs.

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Okay. All right. So I think we're okay to resume.

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All right.

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Just stay close.

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That's it.

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All right. That's, it's stay close.

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Hello, Tessing, okay folks you can hear me

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If you can hear me clap twice, if you can hear me clap three times.

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Whoo, very good.

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All right.

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Thank you everyone for your patience.

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I'm so sorry.

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It seems that we are back up and running again.

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So I will call this meeting back to order.

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All right.

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And where we left off.

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Was that Council Member Black could be?

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Was just about to ask his question.

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Sorry, I'm in the back.

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Go ahead, Council Member.

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And we've just also introduced a new person to our table too.

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So perhaps, you want to introduce yourself?

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Yes, Mayor and Council, my name is Trevor Chandler.

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I'm the Senior Director of Public Affairs of Law.

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Thank you.

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OK, folks, please respect.

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Go ahead.

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Chief Louis W. Chief Tate, Mr. Momburg.

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I just wanted to appreciate your in here bringing the path forward.

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I wanted to say from the outset that I fully support your effort to provide our officers

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with the tools I need to keep us safe.

456
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:33,000
But I do have questions about who we choose to contract with and how we build the public

457
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,000
trust around the process.

458
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,360
So I want to start with a couple of questions for the department and then I have some questions

459
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,000
for Mr. Chandler.

460
00:52:42,380 --> 00:52:45,820
I wanted to focus on the community video streams piece of it because I think that's the part

461
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:47,580
we've talked about.

462
00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:53,700
I think not as much as some of the others and just from my understanding what are the circumstances

463
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:57,000
is under which you will activate those cameras.

464
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,460
So the protocols around when you use them, when you don't,

465
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,960
or they always aren't, or they not always

466
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,040
on, how does that part work?

467
00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:04,020
Yeah, only,

468
00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:08,260
and realize they're on.

469
00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:12,020
Only your spot to a specific incident or active investigation.

470
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:13,860
So we won't just be monitoring them.

471
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,160
It will only be in response to something specific.

472
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:21,180
So in the RTIC, so the idea is not,

473
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:23,300
here's all the community video stream cameras

474
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:24,580
and running all of it.

475
00:53:24,580 --> 00:53:27,980
basically, hey, there's an event happening at the Apple Store.

476
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,840
We need to activate the cameras to monitor what's going on and correct.

477
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,540
Okay, so it's some particular event that activates.

478
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,600
Okay, how does this kind of video access, you know,

479
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,300
how does it compare with how we're monitoring the other fixed cameras?

480
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,980
Is it a similar, how do you think about that?

481
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:46,100
Is this similar approach in terms of when they're activated?

482
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,840
I'm just trying to kind of square the cameras that the city would be operating

483
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,740
versus the ones that we'd be asking partners about.

484
00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:56,060
Yeah, they're very similar use policies that we propose.

485
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:59,560
So that there would be under the same permitted uses

486
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,980
and prohibited uses, and so on.

487
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:03,420
And the retention time, is it the same retention period

488
00:54:03,420 --> 00:54:03,880
for both?

489
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:05,700
So with the community of these dreams,

490
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,540
we wouldn't be retaining any footage.

491
00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:10,860
This would just be whatever that, since these cameras

492
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:11,860
already exist, right?

493
00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:14,000
The organizations already paying for them.

494
00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:15,500
And so whatever their retention policy

495
00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:18,540
is how long they would retain that video footage for it.

496
00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:21,180
And then they would decide whether to give us access

497
00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:26,000
to only the live footage or to any period of the vaccine video.

498
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,440
So if there is some evidentiary value from something,

499
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,460
you might take that and hold on to that

500
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:32,940
for the purpose of doing an investigation.

501
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,820
Sorry, but otherwise, good.

502
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:37,020
Yeah, I think about this way.

503
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:40,700
So if we learned there was a robbery at a business

504
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:41,520
and they had video.

505
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,280
We would capture that video.

506
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:44,620
We would log in capture that video.

507
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,960
It would get uploaded into our evidence collection system

508
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,860
and held pursuant to the retention period

509
00:54:48,860 --> 00:54:50,280
for that kind of crime.

510
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:59,820
If, for some reason, we learned that a crime happened at that particular business, a month ago, two months ago, six months ago, we would contact them and say, you know, do you?

511
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:09,720
So there's some kind of real-time monitoring in the moment for an event, but it's just turned on for a particular event and turned off when you don't need it.

512
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,980
And after the fact, you might ask for footage and then use it for evidence again.

513
00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:18,840
So you're only retaining the footage of stuff that has evidentiary value.

514
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:19,980
Is that right? Okay.

515
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:26,380
And are there any circumstances under which you'd be sharing any of that video with other jurisdictions or not?

516
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:31,460
This is a sense of situation with the fixed-art fixed cameras that we own.

517
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:36,320
We would never allow access to another agency to get in and do some searching, but if we

518
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,040
got contacted and said, hey, we're working this series of robberies, we believe somebody

519
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,520
was in that store that the description of such and such, right?

520
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,940
Then we could access and understand whether that evidence was there, and we would only turn

521
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:52,900
that evidence over to them if it fit within the parameters of, you know, really to an investigation.

522
00:55:53,220 --> 00:55:53,360
Right.

523
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,660
Similarly, it's like, so you have rules in terms of who you do or don't share with, and again, never

524
00:55:58,660 --> 00:56:02,760
shared with for immigration and enforcement purposes and all that.

525
00:56:02,780 --> 00:56:03,740
Absolutely, okay.

526
00:56:05,580 --> 00:56:12,560
And if, if another jurisdiction needed access to information at, like, again, maybe they have

527
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:17,560
a suspect from their jurisdiction who is involved in something at the Apple Store and Berkeley,

528
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,600
do they come through us?

529
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:27,180
So how do they get that for it? Again, does it come through you guys making that request and then you decide whether or not to share it? Or do they go directly to that?

530
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:38,010
I would say either. I mean, there's nothing that precludes them from going to the Apple store and saying, hey, we're investigating this case. Can we have it?

531
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:41,990
And a private business would share whatever manner they wanted to.

532
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:47,570
But if we were approached to ask for evidence from someone in our city, it has to go through a review process.

533
00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:52,250
process, I capped in the captain of the investigations would approve the collection of that

534
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:54,130
and the release of that to another institution.

535
00:56:54,590 --> 00:56:55,930
Great, thank you.

536
00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:59,590
A couple questions from Mr. Chandler, again, thank you for being here in the hot seat.

537
00:57:00,290 --> 00:57:04,630
From that outset, I just want to say, because I think this is something I've felt a while

538
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:10,850
and I think a lot of us feel this, that I've just been really disappointed and frustrated

539
00:57:11,770 --> 00:57:16,610
to watch how flock has sort of handled the sort of drip drip drip of complaints and reports

540
00:57:16,610 --> 00:57:22,410
about problems with an authorized data sharing with sort of the mistakenly check check boxes

541
00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:28,470
with pilot programs with CBP and sort of other agencies that give them access to these

542
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:31,450
broad look-up features without the permission of the local agencies.

543
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:36,810
And I'll just say, you know, as someone who before I had this job, I've spent a lot of years

544
00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:46,390
in public affairs and politics, it's, you know, it's really been a case study in like

545
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:51,070
So my frustration is that rather than getting out ahead of it and taking responsibility,

546
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:56,310
it's been kind of put on the local jurisdictions to sort of defend what's happened,

547
00:57:56,330 --> 00:57:59,690
which I don't think has really been fair to allow these local jurisdictions.

548
00:58:00,610 --> 00:58:06,350
And in a lot of cases, I thought the first response seemed to be blaming these agencies

549
00:58:06,350 --> 00:58:12,110
for faulty configuration without acknowledging that one error is a user error, but multiple

550
00:58:12,110 --> 00:58:15,550
errors is a product flaw, you know, that's a flock, that's a flock issue.

551
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:21,710
So, I'm not doing, I'm just doing this because, you know, I feel like we need to get this

552
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:26,590
on the table because, you know, that's a frustration, I think we all are feeling as policy makers

553
00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:28,150
who are being asked to make this sort of decision.

554
00:58:29,610 --> 00:58:32,790
So my question, I know we've talked about this in the past, but are you willing and can you

555
00:58:32,790 --> 00:58:39,510
acknowledge today, but you know, flock has made, you know, these mistakes, these are not just

556
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:43,870
jurisdictions kind of make an mistake. This is, this has been a flock piece of two and I just

557
00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:47,390
want to do that kind of talk about that and help us understand how you view that.

558
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:52,510
Absolutely. And I genuinely appreciate those remarks at the Councillor. So thank you for bringing

559
00:58:52,510 --> 00:58:59,670
it up. We have made an our our CEO has made public that we could have and should have done

560
00:58:59,670 --> 00:59:08,050
many things better. When we started addressing these issues a little over a year ago, up to that point,

561
00:59:08,050 --> 00:59:14,870
We had been providing compliance, the tools to be compliant, rather than simply mandating

562
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:20,590
compliance like we could have and making it easier for all of our customers, especially

563
00:59:20,590 --> 00:59:25,610
here in California in other states that have laws that would have just been easier for

564
00:59:25,610 --> 00:59:26,870
us to do that.

565
00:59:27,550 --> 00:59:32,450
We have sent shifted in our entire business model to start to mandate compliance.

566
00:59:32,910 --> 00:59:37,230
Now it is not possible for a single California agency to share outside the state.

567
00:59:37,230 --> 00:59:43,490
In addition, to make sure that is not allowed, we've also put in place immigration search filters.

568
00:59:43,850 --> 00:59:46,230
We've put in place reproductive health search filters.

569
00:59:46,990 --> 00:59:53,790
And we've removed all and any sharing with any federal, whether it's a national park, whether it's the post office.

570
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:59,970
And so these are things that we acknowledged one, we could have communicated the compliance features better, and that's on us.

571
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,280
Take full responsibility for that. And we could have done compliance as default, rather than simply providing the tools and letting agencies go on at case by case basis. So we're extremely proud of what we've done last year. Now we have probably, I will say definitely of all the LPR providers. We are the only LPR major LPR provider without a contract with ICE. I think that's very important to note. There's no relationship there. That distinguishes us from axon, Motorola, everyone else.

572
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:51,220
There is no contract with ICE where the only one without a contract with ICE, and we have put in place groundbreaking and industry leading transparency and accountability features, including additional audit transparency, that proactively provides potential misuse potential irregularities, so people don't have to wait until they run their audit next. I'm happy to go through more of that.

573
01:00:51,220 --> 01:00:52,120
Yeah, that's right.

574
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:53,160
Yes.

575
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:54,020
I'm going to take your comments.

576
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:58,460
There is much we could have done better and we are working to earn that trust by doing

577
01:00:58,460 --> 01:00:59,680
even more than that.

578
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,460
I appreciate that.

579
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:06,580
And one of the things we talked about in the past was I think in March, March 26th, there

580
01:01:06,580 --> 01:01:08,720
was a blog post that outlined a lot of those new safeguards.

581
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:14,380
So this is the California agencies can't share out of state or with the feds that the federal

582
01:01:14,380 --> 01:01:18,380
government is not part of the California state look up network that you require the

583
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:23,120
defense type and sort of the drop down to do a search and that the cities again this is

584
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:28,600
this confirmation this is the city's data and not you know blockstata. One of those

585
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,800
safeguards actually go into effect like when did those come online? I believe those most of

586
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:40,380
that they they came online in various iterations I believe most of them came online in August and I

587
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:46,480
can get the the specific dates for you. So it's like August of 25 plus plus or minus and then

588
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,760
or there was some communication about that I know in March

589
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,300
that kind of just laid, okay.

590
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,240
Since those safeguards,

591
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:54,140
a lot of my questions are around

592
01:01:54,140 --> 01:01:56,600
like the timeline of this process,

593
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:58,820
because if you look at sort of news reports about flock

594
01:01:58,820 --> 01:02:00,060
and what's going on,

595
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:02,040
a lot of what happens is we're also talking about things

596
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,640
that may have happened a year ago, right?

597
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:05,700
Because it's an audit that cuts it.

598
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,400
So my question sort of is,

599
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,640
since those safeguards went into effect,

600
01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:13,280
have you have any customers reported issues

601
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,320
that those safeguards went into effect,

602
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:22,560
You lock down the sort of piece, what's happened since the safeguards, and what can you look at in terms of the track record.

603
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:23,500
Since that time.

604
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:30,940
We've been notified of no instances where the previous examples have happened again.

605
01:02:31,540 --> 01:02:32,760
So I know that's the case.

606
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:40,980
I was just on a call with the other day with another California city with 100% clean audit.

607
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:46,300
There are no issues, and I've not been made aware of any additional issues since these figures.

608
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:47,540
have been put in grace.

609
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:50,920
Let me pivot a little bit to some of these kind of operational questions.

610
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:56,560
Part of these are in the draft contract, part of it is in, and I'll try and be judicious

611
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:57,460
with my time.

612
01:02:58,260 --> 01:03:05,920
Question about, if the FBI comes to you with a judicial warrant asking you for access to some

613
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,620
of Berkeley's data, what's the flux operating procedure now?

614
01:03:09,740 --> 01:03:10,160
Councillor interjecting.

615
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:10,340
Councillor interjecting.

616
01:03:10,660 --> 01:03:10,920
Councillor interjecting.

617
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:12,380
Councillor interjecting.

618
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:14,760
Councillor interjecting.

619
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,820
We are contractually obligated to notify the city of Berkeley of that request, and internally

620
01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:25,760
our process is to let that subpoenaining authority know that we do not own the data,

621
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:30,640
because contractually we do not own the data and direct them to the city of Berkeley.

622
01:03:31,380 --> 01:03:34,560
Okay, and then back to the chiefs, so if that comes to you, then what's kind of the city's response.

623
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:39,580
So, you know, the fraught comes to us and said we've got this subpoena just again to kind of confirm

624
01:03:39,580 --> 01:03:43,040
how the process would work from there. Right, so the minute that we got that subpoena,

625
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,820
we'd be in consultation with the city manager

626
01:03:45,820 --> 01:03:48,300
and the city attorney's office about proper ways

627
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:49,420
to justify that subpoena.

628
01:03:50,260 --> 01:03:50,360
OK.

629
01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:53,760
And then similarly, if instead of the FBI with a judicial warrant,

630
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,100
if it was ICE with an administrative warrant

631
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:59,740
that came to ICE and asked for access to Berkeley's data,

632
01:03:59,980 --> 01:04:01,300
what would that play out?

633
01:04:01,540 --> 01:04:02,640
Is that any different?

634
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,520
How is that play out if it's an ICE administrative warrant

635
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,500
versus an FBI judicial warrant?

636
01:04:07,980 --> 01:04:08,840
For us, there's no difference.

637
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,960
We would still direct them to you,

638
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,780
and we would alert you to that request.

639
01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:16,240
Okay, and then it would be a similar process for us.

640
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:18,900
Okay.

641
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:19,800
Good.

642
01:04:19,820 --> 01:04:20,260
Well, thank you.

643
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:25,200
Look, I appreciate you being here and we'll on this sort of answer those questions.

644
01:04:25,860 --> 01:04:27,240
I appreciate this discussion.

645
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,900
I think, you know, as we move forward, and I shouldn't hear colleagues, interested in hearing

646
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:36,620
from the public, you know, I do want to make sure that, you know, we're really thinking about

647
01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:41,620
who and, you know, what we're contracting with whom for what, as we move forward.

648
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,800
And so that'll be something I think I want to come back to later.

649
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:48,260
Just to make sure that we're making the best choice.

650
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,580
Because again, I have full confidence in what the department's doing.

651
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:55,820
I think you need to make sure that our tools meet those expectations as well.

652
01:04:56,140 --> 01:04:56,760
So anyway, thank you.

653
01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:58,220
Thank you.

654
01:04:58,300 --> 01:04:58,720
Thank you, Council Member.

655
01:04:59,460 --> 01:04:59,860
So.

656
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,300
I did want to directly thank you for being here. My first question is for you. I know it's been

657
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:16,580
sometimes since March. Could you recopituate the four principal concerns from the pub and has

658
01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:23,220
anything changed on that front? Since the last time, this was discussed.

659
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:23,240
Thank

660
01:05:25,450 --> 01:05:27,490
you.

661
01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:38,210
So from March, the concerns broadly were about the MSA with the concerns broadly were about

662
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:39,750
the NSA with Flock.

663
01:05:41,050 --> 01:05:47,990
The policy is governing drones, the community, the policies concerning drones, the community

664
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:54,810
video streams and fixed cameras, and the drone acquisition report, oh, sorry, and the

665
01:05:54,810 --> 01:05:59,830
integrated platform of surveillance services in one vendor.

666
01:06:01,390 --> 01:06:03,710
Those were the four concerns from March.

667
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:10,890
Since then, there's been additional research done about the procurement process,

668
01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:16,010
and that's what the PABs letter to you of May 4th,

669
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:18,950
which is in the Supplemental two packet outlines.

670
01:06:19,610 --> 01:06:23,950
So, I don't know if you want me to go into that right now or.

671
01:06:24,450 --> 01:06:27,130
Yeah, maybe a little later.

672
01:06:28,410 --> 01:06:32,530
But I do want to make sure I have time to ask.

673
01:06:33,110 --> 01:06:36,250
Travel some questions and thank you for being here.

674
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:43,370
So my first question is in this might also be for staff.

675
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:52,450
There's been a lot of discussion about this lookup tool, and are you willing at this

676
01:06:52,450 --> 01:07:00,390
point to make a commitment that if, partly, was to enter into a contract with Flock, it

677
01:07:00,390 --> 01:07:02,750
would be disabled entirely?

678
01:07:09,010 --> 01:07:15,970
National lookup, yes, absolutely, it's already done, it is impossible for any agency in California

679
01:07:15,970 --> 01:07:21,030
it to enter into the national search feature and we are willing if you would like to put that

680
01:07:21,030 --> 01:07:25,630
in the contract absolutely a hundred percent we would be comfortable with that as of what

681
01:07:25,630 --> 01:07:34,250
date did that change on your end approximately around August so I can double check on this specific date

682
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:43,090
but that change is already been made okay what is the highest for violation term if there is a breach

683
01:07:43,090 --> 01:07:52,750
of contract that you're willing to accept, which means is 290k, or glances 200k, we have

684
01:07:52,750 --> 01:08:00,450
on file the response from flock that you're willing to accept 150k. I'm wondering if just

685
01:08:00,450 --> 01:08:02,450
your thoughts around,

686
01:08:04,830 --> 01:08:10,030
there is actually no monetary value that can be placed on a human life

687
01:08:10,030 --> 01:08:14,290
being impacted on this, so I just wanted to ask.

688
01:08:22,380 --> 01:08:23,720
Was that a question?

689
01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:29,960
What is the highest part violation term that you're willing to accept?

690
01:08:30,820 --> 01:08:31,840
I can't speak to the highest.

691
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,300
As you said, we have the examples of Oakland enrichment.

692
01:08:35,660 --> 01:08:42,240
And I imagine we could be amenable to a similar per violation standard here.

693
01:08:44,050 --> 01:08:45,750
Thank you.

694
01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:53,810
Folks, I don't believe it's important to know since implementing those, we have never been subject to any of those

695
01:08:53,810 --> 01:08:56,990
finds for any potential, uh, uh, mystery.

696
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:59,810
Thank you.

697
01:09:00,450 --> 01:09:01,810
Um, I think this,

698
01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:10,450
do you currently, um, I, I appreciate what you said about, um, not working with ice.

699
01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:14,870
Um, that counts for a lot in my book.

700
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:23,010
Do you currently have any contracts able use or other agreements with other federal agencies such as CBP?

701
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:26,610
We have federal contracts, but not with CBP.

702
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:33,780
Can you allow us to date on other federal contracts if you do have?

703
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:40,940
We have national park contracts, United States Postal Inspection Service, those sorts.

704
01:09:40,940 --> 01:09:51,060
Yes, but we do not have a contract with us and we do not currently have any contracts with entities under the department of under the Department of Homeland Security.

705
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:53,180
Okay.

706
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:59,180
What was the date at which any of those contracts for this continued?

707
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,240
We never had a contract with CBP. We had a pilot agreement. That lasted for approximately four months.

708
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:16,840
And it was focused on human and fentanyl narcotrafficking. And that was suspended around September of 2025.

709
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,440
I can get the specific date on that. That's an estimation.

710
01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:22,500
Okay. Thank you.

711
01:10:25,340 --> 01:10:31,640
This might be a question for actually both the chief and Mr. Chandler.

712
01:10:32,380 --> 01:10:39,380
There has been discussion around, well, we've put it.

713
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:46,720
Yeah, my council member, how many just curious how many more questions you have since I think you've actually this is your second time your second period of question.

714
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,120
This will be my last question.

715
01:10:48,380 --> 01:10:49,160
Okay. Thank you.

716
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:59,880
I understand that flock is currently testing out the utilization of machine learning as part of its system.

717
01:11:00,420 --> 01:11:08,450
Can you speak to how that would be prescribed are there?

718
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:20,110
Would you be agreeable to terms in a contract or MOU that might preclude the use of machine learning?

719
01:11:20,110 --> 01:11:22,150
specific to Barclay.

720
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:23,930
Yeah.

721
01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:25,170
Thank you, Councillor.

722
01:11:25,470 --> 01:11:27,930
So we do use machine learning to increase accuracy.

723
01:11:28,170 --> 01:11:32,390
So as new vehicles come onto the market, a new camera, any number of things.

724
01:11:32,650 --> 01:11:40,010
We take accuracy very seriously, because we don't want to minimize misidentifications of vehicles and license plates as much as possible.

725
01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:41,650
As new license plates come on the market.

726
01:11:42,170 --> 01:11:44,010
We use machine learning to improve that accuracy.

727
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:46,770
We have such as an Oakland.

728
01:11:46,770 --> 01:11:55,770
Some cities have decided they want to opt out of participating in that out of it in extra abundance of caution and we would absolutely be a

729
01:11:55,770 --> 01:11:59,050
Manimble if Berkeley would want to opt out of the machine learning process

730
01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:03,130
Obviously, we want we want to continue to hopefully improve

731
01:12:03,130 --> 01:12:09,350
But if that's something that Berkeley doesn't want to be a part of then we would absolutely opt the city out of it

732
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:11,190
Thank you so much

733
01:12:11,190 --> 01:12:13,490
Thank you councilmember O'Keefe

734
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:15,570
Thanks for giving me another

735
01:12:15,570 --> 01:12:19,810
But at the Apple here, first of all, I want to say it

736
01:12:19,810 --> 01:12:22,070
Miss Lee, I'm just so happy you're here and I'm just,

737
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:22,730
thank you so much.

738
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:25,570
It's really important your important voice and just welcome to this

739
01:12:26,090 --> 01:12:28,010
Welcome to this world back to this world.

740
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:32,030
And I guess there's not going to be a presentation

741
01:12:32,030 --> 01:12:33,350
from the pub.

742
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:34,750
Is that right?

743
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:36,670
Are you prepared to know?

744
01:12:36,810 --> 01:12:39,550
I'm not aware that we will have any other presentations.

745
01:12:40,270 --> 01:12:41,790
Okay, I guess I don't have specific questions,

746
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:45,170
but I am curious to hear more about your perspective

747
01:12:45,170 --> 01:12:50,110
on the issues that were raised by the the pad letter. So I think that's what I'm

748
01:12:50,110 --> 01:12:53,690
sure you've also asked about that, but you're going to ask more later. You're asking about

749
01:12:53,690 --> 01:12:59,610
the recent pad letter. Yeah, so yes, it did. Director, if you could speak to that recent

750
01:12:59,610 --> 01:13:06,270
pad letter. Yeah, it was to hear your current thoughts. My take on it. I would agree with it

751
01:13:06,710 --> 01:13:14,090
pretty much, substantively. There was a lot of research done, a very deep dive into the series

752
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:21,690
of contracts that the department had entered into and how it seems that we ended up sort of

753
01:13:21,690 --> 01:13:30,630
piece-mailing the various components and a concern that is noted is having an integrated architecture

754
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:42,030
without a real sense of really analyzing whether that's needed, whether it needs to be provided

755
01:13:42,030 --> 01:13:51,210
by one vendor, and the research that the pad members did, what we feel that there are other

756
01:13:51,210 --> 01:14:01,510
jurisdictions that do use different surveillance technologies from different vendors and use

757
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:15,030
some other type of platform to integrate it all, and I think there is a concern to me about having

758
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:21,430
anything rely on one vendor. And this is really, and I want to emphasize that this is really

759
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:31,490
separate and apart from flock as a vendor, all the procurement issues, and having a single

760
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:43,710
vendor provide all of your systems, as the memo outlines, could be a great danger if something

761
01:14:43,710 --> 01:14:54,770
fails, that means everything could be failing without any sort of backup. And so that is a major concern.

762
01:14:54,770 --> 01:14:59,450
Sorry, just a bit about your talking about the technology itself failing like not working anymore.

763
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,480
I want to continue in discussion, but I really appreciate you being here once again. Two more questions.

764
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:13,740
Actually, this one is for, actually, I want to thank Council Member Black. I could be asking the great questions of

765
01:15:13,740 --> 01:15:18,560
a flock representative. I think that was really helpful. And I think after hearing about that, I would like to hear a little more from our

766
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:27,500
police about our auditing process. How often is it done? What do you check for if you could just help us understand how that looks a little bit more?

767
01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:38,340
Yeah, so I'll policy requires that we audit our LPR system twice a year and so that entails

768
01:15:38,340 --> 01:15:45,720
going into those logs of when other network agencies and search across our network and evaluating the

769
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,620
reasons and the information that they provided.

770
01:15:48,620 --> 01:15:52,640
As well as looking at the searches that we've done internally in making sure that they comply

771
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:53,980
with all of our policies.

772
01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:01,380
Yeah, I just want to share that's a formal auditing process, but we have three administrators

773
01:16:01,380 --> 01:16:06,140
that have access to changing the features in the flux system, the ALPR system.

774
01:16:06,980 --> 01:16:11,320
Those users are in the system on a regular basis, whether it's every day or every other

775
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,480
day, certainly during the business week.

776
01:16:13,820 --> 01:16:17,860
That's how we caught that one issue that we have that we located where we had a term that

777
01:16:17,860 --> 01:16:20,820
we weren't sure about, and then we were able to chase down, so it's not like we're waiting

778
01:16:20,820 --> 01:16:23,460
until the end of a six-month period and then looking back,

779
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,220
we're in that system regularly, doing that in formal auditing,

780
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,540
looking for irregularities, looking for connectivity issues,

781
01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:30,380
and things like that.

782
01:16:30,780 --> 01:16:32,000
Thanks so much for identifying that.

783
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:33,700
And the last question, I'm sorry.

784
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,300
I think somebody may have already asked about this,

785
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:36,580
but I wanted to get it clear.

786
01:16:36,620 --> 01:16:37,780
And actually, maybe we're a soccer representative

787
01:16:37,780 --> 01:16:40,480
who can comment on this as well.

788
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,340
It has to do with the facial recognition for the video cameras,

789
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:47,220
which is, I understand there's machine learning

790
01:16:47,220 --> 01:16:49,060
for recognizing the images of cars.

791
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:51,060
But I think there's a lot of concern about facial recognition.

792
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,440
So can you clarify if we use facial recognition

793
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,040
if what it says in the contract,

794
01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:01,740
and then I've also interested in sort of the technical ways

795
01:17:01,740 --> 01:17:04,120
of managing whether that's on and off?

796
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:04,400
Sure.

797
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,240
By policy, we do not allow facial recognition technologies.

798
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,620
And then if what can you explain how that's achieved?

799
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,020
Flock does not have facial recognition.

800
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:14,880
Don't have it.

801
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:16,820
So it can't even be turned on or off.

802
01:17:16,820 --> 01:17:20,980
It does have individual recognition because there are some of these cameras.

803
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:22,160
What does that mean?

804
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:27,720
So if a, if a goose were to fly in front of a camera,

805
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:32,260
we wouldn't want your law enforcement to constantly be getting alerts about,

806
01:17:32,260 --> 01:17:34,600
you know, a goose flying in front of a camera.

807
01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:36,700
So some of our panels zoom cameras.

808
01:17:37,060 --> 01:17:39,500
They do can identify that there is a person there.

809
01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:43,980
So or they can look for, you know, you can look for a yellow shirt.

810
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:45,880
But there is no facial recognition.

811
01:17:49,460 --> 01:17:58,880
Okay, that's helpful. Can you say a little bit when you say yellow shirt like that does sound like it's describing some aspects of the person? Can you say a little more about where is that line cut off?

812
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:14,200
Yeah, so there I mean put it frankly there is no facial recognition. There is none. There is individual there is the ability to recognize that there is a person in front of a camera. So if you are looking for a suspect with a yellow shirt, these these searches do not base on gender or race.

813
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:19,020
They are on characteristics, such as, is there someone wearing a hat?

814
01:18:19,340 --> 01:18:21,140
Is there someone wearing a yellow shirt?

815
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,440
So that is what is able to be detected, but there is no facial recognition.

816
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,500
Okay, so it's focused to make it incredibly trying to understand you.

817
01:18:29,900 --> 01:18:36,960
So, would it be fair to say you can ask for descriptions of color and items of clothing,

818
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:39,200
but nothing more specific than that?

819
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,820
Correct. You can not ask for a gender, a race, or a protected characteristics.

820
01:18:42,820 --> 01:18:49,260
Okay, or, well, shhh, that's different than what I said.

821
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:56,620
What I said is, is the limit of the search terms, is it limited to things like color and

822
01:18:56,620 --> 01:18:57,260
clothing items?

823
01:18:58,460 --> 01:18:59,000
That's it.

824
01:18:59,560 --> 01:18:59,880
Okay.

825
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:00,520
All right.

826
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:05,900
And that's just to confirm that's, we are version of the system has that capability, or will,

827
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,380
I guess we don't have this yet, but is that right?

828
01:19:08,740 --> 01:19:10,260
Or do we have this turned off also?

829
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:11,300
Yes.

830
01:19:11,300 --> 01:19:16,220
we don't have that feature on the current cameras that we run nor do we turn that feature on.

831
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,820
So the question comes up about let's say a new camera exists next week, right, or next year,

832
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:27,840
and it has that capability, but we don't turn those features on, right? So that's how we,

833
01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:34,720
we're guided by our use policy and so technology moves past what we originally acquired

834
01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:40,840
and a capability exists on a technology now. We don't we will either turn that function off

835
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:47,060
Right? Or if there was no way to turn it off and it was going to be a part of what would be our routine thing we would see?

836
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,720
Then we would come back to council and say, hey, this thing that we have now has this extra feature.

837
01:19:52,420 --> 01:19:56,640
Do you want us to stay using this technology and expand it or do we need to look for a new vendor?

838
01:19:58,340 --> 01:19:59,240
Okay, but

839
01:20:01,380 --> 01:20:25,700
So, we're talking, you have with these policy for the Pentel Zoom cameras we have now, and, of course, right now we're discussing whether we're going to be acquiring these flock cameras. So, I guess my question is if we were to get these flock cameras that have this ability for to search for, you know, basic descriptions of people would, would that, that would not be allowed under these policy if we acquired these cameras? Is that what I'm understanding?

840
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:35,700
We would be able to use a feature that allowed us to say in this footage right here, can you find us a suspect that was wearing a yellow shirt?

841
01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:42,140
We would not have, and we would not use, even if it was available any kind of facial recognition or...

842
01:20:42,380 --> 01:20:42,700
Okay.

843
01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:43,420
Thank you.

844
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:44,360
And I appreciate that clarity.

845
01:20:45,780 --> 01:20:46,740
Those are my questions.

846
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:47,280
Thanks again for coming.

847
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:47,920
Thank you.

848
01:20:47,980 --> 01:20:49,920
Moving back to your council member, Lynn Appara.

849
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:51,880
Thank you.

850
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:53,700
I have a...

851
01:20:53,700 --> 01:21:00,700
some more questions. I have some questions for Fox representative. Can you speak to Fox

852
01:21:00,700 --> 01:21:06,460
Safety's obligation to their investors? I'm specifically interested in Fox biggest investor

853
01:21:06,460 --> 01:21:12,460
and the firms and founders. I mean, she's going to let her get her question out and its founders

854
01:21:12,460 --> 01:21:18,000
anti-immigrant anti-DI and pro-Trump views and support of surveillance regulation. How that may

855
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,780
influence Fox practices and obligations.

856
01:21:26,730 --> 01:21:29,150
Is there a specific investor that you're referring

857
01:21:29,150 --> 01:21:35,290
to, it's a, we have, we have a number of investors, more curious about how, how

858
01:21:35,290 --> 01:21:40,370
Flock safety engages with, it's investors into what extent the views of the investors

859
01:21:40,370 --> 01:21:42,590
is going to affect how the company operates.

860
01:21:42,890 --> 01:21:48,270
The company operates within the law, and that's, that's the most important aspect.

861
01:21:49,330 --> 01:21:56,550
Just like folks, just as hearing California, where we have SB 34, we have fully shut off

862
01:21:56,550 --> 01:22:02,990
any sharing or disabled, any sharing outside of the state or with federal agencies, that we

863
01:22:02,990 --> 01:22:07,970
are guided by the laws of the country of the state and of the localities that we work.

864
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:11,450
Those are the people we answer to are the legislators.

865
01:22:12,610 --> 01:22:12,970
You.

866
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:14,190
Yeah.

867
01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:14,830
Oh, no.

868
01:22:14,850 --> 01:22:18,170
I was just going to say, I don't think that she was asking whether or not

869
01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:20,110
flock operates within the law.

870
01:22:20,250 --> 01:22:23,930
She's asking you about how you interact with your investors.

871
01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:25,370
So could you speak to that, please?

872
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:31,970
We interact with our investor similarly to any company. We have board meetings where we provide earnings reports.

873
01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:38,090
So that is how we engage with our investors, same as any other company.

874
01:22:40,270 --> 01:22:48,230
Okay. There are federal and state and local laws that don't necessarily align.

875
01:22:49,330 --> 01:22:53,650
And that have conflicting perspectives on the law. So how does it take that into consideration?

876
01:22:53,650 --> 01:22:58,030
Thank you so much for asking that question because I think California is the precise example

877
01:22:58,030 --> 01:22:58,810
of that.

878
01:22:59,030 --> 01:23:04,650
Where California has a very explicit law with SB 34 that this state prohibits the sharing

879
01:23:04,650 --> 01:23:08,830
of license plate reader data outside of the state so we have prevented that from happening.

880
01:23:09,130 --> 01:23:14,190
We are additionally providing groundbreaking industry leading, again, I want to say industry

881
01:23:14,190 --> 01:23:18,770
leading because no other license plate reader provider has implemented the additional changes

882
01:23:18,770 --> 01:23:23,950
above and beyond what we have, which allows cities and states to be able to choose who they

883
01:23:23,950 --> 01:23:29,010
share with and how they share with, including, again, if there is a sanctuary state law.

884
01:23:29,370 --> 01:23:34,610
If there are limits on data sharing regarding reproductive health information, we have put

885
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:40,470
in groundbreaking, in many cases, not even required by a law, guardrails to make sure that

886
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:43,510
community values do not have to come at the expense of community safety.

887
01:23:43,890 --> 01:23:45,930
And what's happened here in California is exactly that.

888
01:23:46,090 --> 01:23:47,610
We have completely shut it off.

889
01:23:47,610 --> 01:23:54,430
So that no city in California is able to share with the federal authorities or with any state or entity outside the state of California.

890
01:23:57,330 --> 01:24:08,790
Okay. Well, I'm that that I'm honestly not satisfied by that given that flock already has violated or allowed cities to violate state law.

891
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:17,470
So my next question is, is similar to Councilmember Traygub's question around violations

892
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:18,770
and fines for violations?

893
01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:24,790
How sure are you the city of Berkeley data privacy will not be violated and how much money

894
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:27,170
do you think the city should be awarded if it is violated?

895
01:24:27,970 --> 01:24:34,170
Similar to Councilmember Traygub's question, I think that we have a couple of numbers that

896
01:24:34,170 --> 01:24:40,710
out there. As was mentioned, we have an agreement with City of Oakland that's $200,000.

897
01:24:41,890 --> 01:24:49,210
So again, I would just provide to you all. You are the legislators. You are the City Council

898
01:24:49,770 --> 01:24:55,630
to have that conversation about what is what you view as necessary.

899
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:13,480
So, those are outlined in the contract, as well as under state law. So, that would be a violation of sharing that flock is responsible for that goes against the...

900
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:24,200
Yeah, I guess I'm asking if there is a violation of the contract that ends up with multiple people being affected.

901
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:30,480
Is each individual person being affected? Is that each individual instance of isolation?

902
01:25:31,340 --> 01:25:32,660
Are they all one violation?

903
01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:38,820
I will yield to your city attorney on that, specifically when it comes to the legal interpretation of the contract.

904
01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:42,520
I understand I'm curious what flux interpretation is.

905
01:25:43,060 --> 01:25:47,140
Again, I would yield to your city attorney because I know our attorneys have been talking with your attorneys,

906
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:51,700
and I feel that that would be a question that's better answered by the attorney.

907
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:53,940
So you're not willing to answer?

908
01:25:54,740 --> 01:25:57,060
I would prefer that you're a city attorney answer that question.

909
01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:59,080
Thank you.

910
01:25:59,180 --> 01:26:00,720
Those are my questions.

911
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:01,800
Okay.

912
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:02,520
Council Member Biology.

913
01:26:02,580 --> 01:26:03,540
Did you have follow up questions?

914
01:26:03,900 --> 01:26:04,120
Oh, yeah.

915
01:26:04,220 --> 01:26:04,560
Thank you.

916
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:05,040
Thank you.

917
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:05,380
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

918
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:07,740
Thank you, Mr. Flock.

919
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:08,020
Sorry.

920
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:09,320
Sorry.

921
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:10,020
Mr. Flock.

922
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:12,020
Mr. Apple.

923
01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:12,660
Thank you.

924
01:26:12,860 --> 01:26:13,260
Mr. Apple.

925
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:15,260
Meet the Flockers.

926
01:26:15,540 --> 01:26:15,900
I think it's a movie.

927
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,260
So now that you're here, I was going to ask you quickly.

928
01:26:19,260 --> 01:26:25,420
And I think this comes up a lot in conversation, the Foreign Intelligence Service surveillance

929
01:26:25,420 --> 01:26:25,800
act.

930
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,740
TV, yes, warrants or other sort of secret federal directives.

931
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,260
What's that process like for an hour situation?

932
01:26:34,340 --> 01:26:37,980
So the Pfizer warrants are the same for any company everywhere.

933
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:46,480
These are typically confidential warrants that I personally do not have any knowledge of.

934
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:52,220
what I can say in what many experts in the field have said is, if someone, if there was

935
01:26:52,220 --> 01:26:57,980
something of importance of a Pfizer warrant, is an exceptional warrant. If it goes significant

936
01:26:57,980 --> 01:27:02,500
process. If someone is going through or if someone in the government is going through the process

937
01:27:02,500 --> 01:27:09,600
to acquire a Pfizer warrant for something, a point in time, image of a vehicle that is potentially

938
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:15,700
30 days old is not likely the most effective use of a situation like that. Obviously, I can't

939
01:27:15,700 --> 01:27:20,740
to every situation, but it's more likely that it would be used on a phone, on a laptop,

940
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:26,500
on something that someone carries with them all the time, not a 30-day old picture of a

941
01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:33,020
point in time of a particular vehicle. Okay. All right. And then, so regarding the third party

942
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:39,620
platforms involved in the Flock ecosystem, you know, what are the steps you can, you can describe

943
01:27:39,620 --> 01:27:44,560
to take care of our data, so there's no data leakage from one of your partners.

944
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:46,620
What do you say partners?

945
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,760
Well, let's see about the Amazon Web servers and the servers, the camera companies,

946
01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:58,960
the transport companies, there's a whole host of application providers that make

947
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,660
a, you know, any product flow, including yours.

948
01:28:02,420 --> 01:28:07,480
Some curious, just, you know, how do you maintain operational security with these players?

949
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:13,120
Absolutely. So we make all our own cameras. These are not, we don't, you know, buy from a Nokia

950
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:21,580
factory or a camera factory. We make all of our cameras in-house in addition to our software,

951
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:27,140
all of it is in-house. We do use Amazon web servers. We have a robust data security mechanism

952
01:28:27,140 --> 01:28:32,860
including our new chief of information security officers. We have a new partnership that does

953
01:28:32,860 --> 01:28:35,080
kind of trade of testing on our servers.

954
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:38,360
We have SOC to type 2 ISO 271.

955
01:28:39,020 --> 01:28:42,160
We go above and beyond to make sure that the data,

956
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:48,460
that we are protecting, it stays protected.

957
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:52,060
And that includes regular audits, independent audits,

958
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:53,800
which we make available on our trust website

959
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,520
for all of our customers to download.

960
01:28:56,580 --> 01:29:00,100
And to we update regularly, most of them are annual,

961
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:02,360
some of them are more than annual.

962
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,580
but it's something we take extremely seriously.

963
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:06,840
Thank you.

964
01:29:06,940 --> 01:29:07,440
Thank you.

965
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,460
So at this time, if there are no more questions, I'd like to move as

966
01:29:10,460 --> 01:29:11,460
on to public comment.

967
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:17,320
There is significant number of people in this room, and there are some folks

968
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:21,980
online as well, but we will be limiting public comment to three

969
01:29:21,980 --> 01:29:22,460
hours.

970
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,240
That will be two hours in person and one hour online.

971
01:29:27,060 --> 01:29:30,120
So I would ask that if you have public comment on this item,

972
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:34,940
if you could please come forward and and a reminder to folks if you didn't hear me say earlier

973
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,240
Also, give your minute of time to folks, could you please be quiet while I'm giving the review, so that folks can hear. Thank you. So, as usual, you can give a minute of your time to another individual. Only one time and one person can speak for up to four minutes. So that means three people would be giving them a minute of their time. I ask that you please try and organize that ahead of time, so that we're not trying to figure out who's giving you the minute in the time.

974
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,600
because it eats away from the comet period.

975
01:30:32,340 --> 01:30:33,060
So, yes.

976
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:34,380
Did you?

977
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:35,620
Why is there a room spell?

978
01:30:37,060 --> 01:30:37,840
Sorry, yes.

979
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,280
So, I would like to make a motion to expand the rules

980
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,400
and limit the comet period to three hours.

981
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,340
And a second from Councilor Matriga.

982
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:46,360
OK.

983
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:47,560
Well, question question.

984
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,060
Is there a mechanism?

985
01:30:49,260 --> 01:30:51,680
Do you want to, is it all in person first

986
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:52,360
and then online?

987
01:30:52,740 --> 01:30:56,960
It will be, yeah, I was saying, so two hours in person, one hour online.

988
01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:58,620
Is there any interest in doing any alternating?

989
01:30:58,620 --> 01:30:59,740
I think that's the only other thing.

990
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,440
Is anyone interested in altering?

991
01:31:02,220 --> 01:31:02,400
I don't.

992
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:03,000
I don't know.

993
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,920
I'm willing to go to your discretion within.

994
01:31:06,580 --> 01:31:06,620
Yeah.

995
01:31:06,620 --> 01:31:06,960
Yeah, I want to go.

996
01:31:07,660 --> 01:31:07,760
Sorry.

997
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:08,980
Go ahead.

998
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:09,800
Can we take the roll, please?

999
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,200
On the most short-art, you need public comment procedures.

1000
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:14,900
Councilmember Kester Wani.

1001
01:31:15,020 --> 01:31:15,480
Yes.

1002
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:16,560
Kapplin.

1003
01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:18,740
Bartlett.

1004
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:19,300
Yes.

1005
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:20,120
Tragot.

1006
01:31:21,620 --> 01:31:24,380
Councilmember O'Keef is currently absent.

1007
01:31:25,340 --> 01:31:25,720
Black V.

1008
01:31:26,540 --> 01:31:26,980
Luna Para.

1009
01:31:27,660 --> 01:31:27,980
Yes.

1010
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:32,160
Yes, Humber, yes, and Mary, yes.

1011
01:31:32,580 --> 01:31:33,280
Okay, motion carries.

1012
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:34,500
Okay, thank you.

1013
01:31:34,660 --> 01:31:36,140
Please come on up.

1014
01:31:36,620 --> 01:31:38,020
Okay, so it's 640.

1015
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,320
Good evening to everyone.

1016
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:44,560
My name is Brenda Grisham.

1017
01:31:44,980 --> 01:31:47,180
And I just had to make one statement.

1018
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:48,640
This is my second time here.

1019
01:31:49,100 --> 01:31:51,500
And I have never heard anybody ask,

1020
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:53,840
How many lives have flocks saved?

1021
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,100
How many girls have they stopped from being traffic?

1022
01:31:56,420 --> 01:31:59,300
How many businesses they have recovered their property?

1023
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:00,860
Haven't heard any of that?

1024
01:32:00,860 --> 01:32:06,480
We all care about the immigrants, but there are residents here that want safety.

1025
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,620
And we want you guys to take that account, my daughter and my grandchildren live here.

1026
01:32:10,780 --> 01:32:15,000
And I want to be sure that their lives and the things that go on with them is important.

1027
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,280
My son was murdered in Oakland. His cases are solved and I guarantee you.

1028
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:24,440
I'm fighting for flat cameras in any city I can. Thank you.

1029
01:32:24,540 --> 01:32:26,580
Thank you. Come on up.

1030
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:36,850
My name is Veter Nika Fuxen.

1031
01:32:36,850 --> 01:32:41,150
I want to thank all of you for the questions you've asked.

1032
01:32:41,690 --> 01:32:46,810
I think all of you mean well, you care about all of us in this community, you're committed

1033
01:32:46,810 --> 01:32:47,810
to this community.

1034
01:32:48,510 --> 01:32:55,190
I think, however, it's naive to be listening to what has been said to you and think that

1035
01:32:55,190 --> 01:33:00,370
cities have canceled because there's no, there's no good reason.

1036
01:33:00,810 --> 01:33:03,550
Cities have canceled, El Salvador last night.

1037
01:33:03,550 --> 01:33:10,970
The last thing I want to say, the very last thing I want to say is that flock needs

1038
01:33:10,970 --> 01:33:13,550
Berkeley, more than Berkeley needs flock.

1039
01:33:16,770 --> 01:33:27,270
flock needs Berkeley, a sanctuary city, as a poster boy, for a community that people

1040
01:33:27,270 --> 01:33:32,830
care about their population, to do business with this company.

1041
01:33:38,850 --> 01:33:44,610
If you don't want to be in that investment, thank you.

1042
01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:46,190
Come on, then, then, come on up.

1043
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:51,700
Good evening, Council.

1044
01:33:51,940 --> 01:33:54,580
My name is Linda Livenbaum and I'm reading a statement from

1045
01:33:54,580 --> 01:33:57,480
Friends of Adeline, which with everyone from Friends of

1046
01:33:57,480 --> 01:33:59,900
Adeline, please stand or wave.

1047
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:01,500
Thank you.

1048
01:34:02,340 --> 01:34:05,040
Friends of Adeline, strongly opposed is the Berkeley Police

1049
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:09,180
Department's proposed expansion of its flocks surveillance camera network.

1050
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,860
This proposal represents the largest expansion of surveillance infrastructure in the city's

1051
01:34:14,860 --> 01:34:20,000
history and directly undermines a Berkeley's long standing commitment to being a sanctuary

1052
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:20,880
city.

1053
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:26,820
Approving this contract moves Berkeley toward a more militarized model of policing with serious

1054
01:34:26,820 --> 01:34:32,340
and disproportionate consequences for the people of our black, brown, and immigrant communities.

1055
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:06,980
Fox track record raises significant concerns despite what we've heard tonight. It is well documented that this company

1056
01:35:06,980 --> 01:35:11,040
shares that with federal law enforcement aid. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Linda.

1057
01:35:27,890 --> 01:35:29,390
Hello, my name is Sally Nelson.

1058
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:32,280
You are right

1059
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:40,200
to be concerned about providing safety for all of Berkeley. The reason announcement by the ACLU reveals

1060
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:46,940
at Flock, now claims that all data gathered by its surveillance belongs to Flock, and not to

1061
01:35:46,940 --> 01:35:47,880
this city of Berkeley.

1062
01:35:48,980 --> 01:35:55,180
Flock may then share that data with any agency or person of its choosing, including ice

1063
01:35:55,700 --> 01:35:57,100
and the CBP.

1064
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:03,800
This makes all of us less safe, whether we are people of color or undocumented immigrants,

1065
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:09,360
naturalized citizens, or citizens by birth, whose beliefs may be too progressive for

1066
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:15,680
opinions we are all at risk for being detained, imprisoned, or subjected to violence.

1067
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:21,020
We all want Berkeley to be more safe and the contract with Flock.

1068
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:26,920
The safety of your constituents depends upon your voting, no,

1069
01:36:27,180 --> 01:36:29,300
on having any contract with Flock.

1070
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:29,620
Thank you.

1071
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:30,900
Thanks for coming.

1072
01:36:32,380 --> 01:36:32,980
Thank you.

1073
01:36:42,070 --> 01:36:42,410
Hello.

1074
01:36:43,950 --> 01:36:46,470
I'm Dr. Jane Scanelberry from the...

1075
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:48,090
If you could speak into the mic, please.

1076
01:36:48,350 --> 01:36:50,490
Jane Scanelberry from the Commission on Labor.

1077
01:36:51,470 --> 01:36:53,610
And in a meeting recently,

1078
01:36:53,890 --> 01:37:00,550
we unanimously, unanimously voted to urge the city to suspend its contract with Flock

1079
01:37:00,550 --> 01:37:03,510
and to halt any further expansion of the program.

1080
01:37:04,530 --> 01:37:09,890
Because due to the company's well-documented use of overseas sweatshot labor,

1081
01:37:09,890 --> 01:37:12,410
These are some examples from the letter.

1082
01:37:13,150 --> 01:37:17,430
In 2001, first of all, just about the sweatshop procurement ordinance.

1083
01:37:17,650 --> 01:37:23,590
In 2009, the Berkeley City Council passed the sweatshop free procurement ordinance.

1084
01:37:24,850 --> 01:37:29,510
While the ordinance is specific to the procurement of a peril,

1085
01:37:29,710 --> 01:37:34,610
the wording is an expression of the Berkeley's fundamental values as a municipality.

1086
01:37:34,610 --> 01:37:39,850
the city of Berkeley, and this is from the the ordinance.

1087
01:37:40,230 --> 01:37:43,650
The city of Berkeley recognizes a public interest in avoiding payments,

1088
01:37:44,090 --> 01:37:46,790
to vendors who maintain sweatshop words.

1089
01:37:46,990 --> 01:37:48,330
This person is giving me a minute, too.

1090
01:37:48,590 --> 01:37:49,750
Thank you.

1091
01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:56,210
Including below substance wages, excessive long working, working hours, et cetera.

1092
01:37:59,190 --> 01:38:02,370
As documented in both international media and academic studies,

1093
01:38:02,370 --> 01:38:07,470
flock outstores as much of its work to low-paid gig workers in the Philippines.

1094
01:38:08,110 --> 01:38:14,210
These contractors do data annotations often refer to its crowdwork in which workers

1095
01:38:14,210 --> 01:38:21,470
view thousands of hours of video annotating the data to help train the AI algorithms.

1096
01:38:22,230 --> 01:38:27,190
This is low-wage monotonous yet high-pressure work and the workers doing this analysis

1097
01:38:28,150 --> 01:38:36,630
Our exposed to substandard labor conditions, including extremely low rates of pay and lack of labor rights and protections.

1098
01:38:37,390 --> 01:38:43,050
To outsource much of its data analysis to low paid workers in the global south companies like Flock,

1099
01:38:43,370 --> 01:38:49,110
can maximize their own profits by evading US minimum wage and working condition protections.

1100
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:50,270
Thank you.

1101
01:39:03,310 --> 01:39:04,410
My name is Martino.

1102
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:17,580
I know that some of you will be voting against this contract extension, but that most of you will probably vote for it.

1103
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:28,800
And I want to say that what that means is you are standing in opposition to the momentum of other cities in this area that are voting it down.

1104
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:43,900
And they do are standing against the tendency in history to get rid of this kind of social whatever it is.

1105
01:39:44,460 --> 01:39:49,100
And that you are, well,

1106
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:54,950
you are standing in the way of history.

1107
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:59,970
And I want to say to you that if you are going to vote for this

1108
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,200
Rep. Patent, their own patent that they filed to the U.S. patent office clearly states that their

1109
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:11,560
technology is capable of categorizing people based on height and weight, race and gender, clothes

1110
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:18,100
and accessories worn, and animals and bicycles and cars, which is how they might advertise themselves.

1111
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:25,420
Furthermore, there's 2021 DHS policy actually requires that all ALPR vendors, including flock,

1112
01:40:25,420 --> 01:40:31,700
not leave a trail of ice in any audit logs except in audit logs made available only two

1113
01:40:31,700 --> 01:40:36,400
ice. So when you go and do an audit and you don't find ice in there, that's a false negative.

1114
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:43,220
Furthermore, in your Insection 4 of your contract, there's a worldwide right's clause.

1115
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:47,260
And like my ally alluded to earlier, the reason why it's there is because they share,

1116
01:40:47,420 --> 01:40:54,160
they send the data overseas so that Filipino gig workers can analyze it for the training of the AI system.

1117
01:40:54,160 --> 01:41:00,480
Also, another lie that he said was that no more California agencies are sharing data nationally.

1118
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:01,780
That is not true.

1119
01:41:02,180 --> 01:41:07,820
Alcohol is very much still sharing data nationally, and they're actually countersuing the

1120
01:41:07,820 --> 01:41:11,160
state of California because they want to keep sharing nationally.

1121
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:17,860
And if you guys want an anecdote on how Border Patrol has used this technology, an elementary

1122
01:41:17,860 --> 01:41:23,820
school teacher in the Mademard Martinez was tracked and hunted down using flock cameras

1123
01:41:23,820 --> 01:41:29,560
for over two weeks. They shot her five times and then bragged about it with each other

1124
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:34,880
over text messages saying that they shot her five times and she had seven bullet holes

1125
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:40,080
put that in your bookboys. Why do we have to wait for someone in our community to be harmed by

1126
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:45,060
this technology to get rid of it? We should just get rid of it. Please vote no one flock.

1127
01:41:54,530 --> 01:42:01,570
This is a city of Berkeley really going to pass a mega plan to create a surveillance city.

1128
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:03,530
That's what we're really asking here today.

1129
01:42:04,990 --> 01:42:06,250
I want to read a quote from Edwards,

1130
01:42:06,430 --> 01:42:10,250
No system of mass surveillance has existed in a society

1131
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:14,090
that we know of to this point that has not been abused.

1132
01:42:14,750 --> 01:42:16,530
And so we can expect that kind of thing.

1133
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:18,810
And when the police say this is going to save us money,

1134
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:22,550
how many police officers are going to get laid off so that we can pay for this project?

1135
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:27,590
you know, not are getting laid out. So it's time to save us any money. And those who would give up

1136
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:33,330
essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

1137
01:42:33,550 --> 01:42:38,730
That's been Franklin. So we should think about that. This is big brother here in the latest

1138
01:42:38,730 --> 01:42:50,790
expansion of the surrealist state. This is an investor driven plan, much like the expansion of the

1139
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:56,030
Let's shut down free speech, so when you guys vote for this, you're shutting down free speech

1140
01:42:56,030 --> 01:42:58,550
because this is going to be a surveillance system on all of us.

1141
01:42:58,750 --> 01:43:00,130
Thank you.

1142
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:06,260
Hello.

1143
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:11,640
My name is Johnny Cocher, and I'm a member of Bay Area G's regesis, and I'm here today to

1144
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:25,220
reject the proposal to urge you to reject the proposal to use for

1145
01:43:25,220 --> 01:43:31,980
through Fox Sharing Network, because of how Fox Architecture works, it connected to all connected

1146
01:43:31,980 --> 01:43:37,100
agencies and function as a drag net touching the camera data of nearly every California law enforcement

1147
01:43:37,100 --> 01:43:39,860
of the Fox customer, including communities throughout contra Costa County.

1148
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:45,340
This is a centralized or well-in drag net surveillance technology that makes our immigrants

1149
01:43:45,340 --> 01:43:46,120
less safe.

1150
01:43:46,660 --> 01:43:49,140
This is a second and it's against our sanctuary city policy.

1151
01:43:49,300 --> 01:43:50,600
I urge you to vote no on this contract.

1152
01:43:51,020 --> 01:43:51,400
Thank you.

1153
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:52,060
Thank you.

1154
01:43:56,670 --> 01:43:58,950
Good evening, my name is COVID-19,

1155
01:43:59,090 --> 01:44:01,990
I'm a resident of long time resident of District 2,

1156
01:44:02,210 --> 01:44:03,590
and you're only 30 years resident of Berkeley.

1157
01:44:04,850 --> 01:44:08,830
It's heated, and we live in a really polarized world right now,

1158
01:44:08,830 --> 01:44:13,630
and it's really easy for folks to back into their corners and entrench,

1159
01:44:13,870 --> 01:44:17,430
and kind of plug your ears and start, say, you know,

1160
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:19,330
entrenching in your position, right?

1161
01:44:20,250 --> 01:44:22,870
And I want to, we're not all on the same side,

1162
01:44:22,990 --> 01:44:25,370
we have a real substantive difference of opinion,

1163
01:44:25,370 --> 01:44:27,590
but we are all here because we care about this community.

1164
01:44:28,150 --> 01:44:30,830
We care about each other and we want Berkeley residents

1165
01:44:30,830 --> 01:44:31,850
to be safe.

1166
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,300
To set up this safety versus civil liberties, we deserve, and we can have both. And so, when council member O'Keefe here is so that she doesn't feel

1167
01:45:12,300 --> 01:45:20,360
personally comfortable with certain elements of the drone usage, there's a whole lot of people who aren't comfortable with many parts of that.

1168
01:45:20,380 --> 01:45:22,420
Thank you. Thanks so much.

1169
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:34,560
I'm Rebecca Canita suspect in the yellow shirt. I live in El Salvador, but I grew up in Berkeley.

1170
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:39,460
My parents still live here. My partner works here, and I maintain deep connections to this city.

1171
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:43,460
On Tuesday, the El Serrida City Council voted to end its contract with Flock.

1172
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,740
And here, here are some concerns our council members cited.

1173
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:51,320
First, their city was initially presented with a new contract which you were told was better.

1174
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:55,440
But then our police chief recommended we retain the old contract and said, with no reason given.

1175
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,140
Clearly, Flock did not negotiate in good faith.

1176
01:45:58,700 --> 01:46:04,140
Second, we live under an authoritarian federal government. The Supreme Court could change a lot the drop of a hat through the shadow docket

1177
01:46:04,140 --> 01:46:05,740
to compel Flock to show data.

1178
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:07,660
California law won't protect us either.

1179
01:46:07,860 --> 01:46:09,080
The state is currently being compelled

1180
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:10,900
to share information about undocumented immigrants

1181
01:46:10,900 --> 01:46:11,940
with driver's licenses.

1182
01:46:12,580 --> 01:46:13,800
If the state can't protect itself,

1183
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:15,240
how can it protect us?

1184
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,180
Is this political environment a safe time

1185
01:46:18,180 --> 01:46:20,040
to the using experimental mass surveillance?

1186
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,380
Third, flocc only fixes issues after other groups

1187
01:46:23,380 --> 01:46:24,240
call out their failures.

1188
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:25,880
They do not make proactive fixes.

1189
01:46:26,420 --> 01:46:28,160
Fourth, what claims this product is the cameras,

1190
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,280
but it's actually the mass aggregation of data.

1191
01:46:30,500 --> 01:46:32,160
So you know, cancel the contract.

1192
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:33,120
Thank you.

1193
01:46:39,970 --> 01:46:43,030
Good evening, my name is Erin. I am a resident of District 3.

1194
01:46:43,290 --> 01:46:52,810
I am angry. I am embarrassed that we even have to be here because our council might prioritize the interest of Frost corporate tech and police brutality over the constituents who voted for you.

1195
01:46:53,090 --> 01:46:58,870
If VPD won't even be honest about basic facts about Frost, we have no reason to trust how and why they'll use it.

1196
01:46:58,870 --> 01:47:04,470
TPAB members resigned citing BPD actively makes her job impossible by obstructing records of BPD's

1197
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:04,890
conduct.

1198
01:47:05,410 --> 01:47:09,790
Frankly, I don't trust SWOT to be accountable if BPD refuses to be a hold accountable.

1199
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:14,670
BPD has made a clear that they do not represent Berkeley-Lies and Safety Council members,

1200
01:47:14,910 --> 01:47:18,170
more than a vote for a rock, betrays the people of Berkeley in favor of your own

1201
01:47:18,170 --> 01:47:19,970
comfort of safety that doesn't even exist.

1202
01:47:20,130 --> 01:47:21,230
Thank you.

1203
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:22,130
Thank you.

1204
01:47:26,990 --> 01:47:29,250
Hi, I'm just going to really honest here.

1205
01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:32,230
I don't think anyone wants to be here tonight.

1206
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:35,790
We've been doing this for months and months and months.

1207
01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:39,190
So please just do your job and listen to your constituents.

1208
01:47:40,190 --> 01:47:44,350
We have been telling you for months to not vote for this.

1209
01:47:44,890 --> 01:47:48,750
So if you don't do your job, we can always not reelect you.

1210
01:47:48,910 --> 01:47:50,890
If you're not up for reelection, we can recall you.

1211
01:47:50,990 --> 01:47:52,490
So please just do your job.

1212
01:47:53,290 --> 01:47:54,370
Thank you.

1213
01:47:55,290 --> 01:47:55,990
Thank you.

1214
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:06,100
Hello, my name is Nick in West Side and I'm a small business owner and Berkeley in a long time resident.

1215
01:48:06,940 --> 01:48:13,480
The reality is that militarized policing and surveillance technologies only assist to our slide into fascism.

1216
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:26,820
As we know, by the plight of the Palestinian people, as in Gaza, the quick murder of educators, organizers and key figures in Gaza

1217
01:48:26,820 --> 01:48:29,560
and core blood within the matter of a few months

1218
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:32,800
was only possible through surveillance technology.

1219
01:48:34,620 --> 01:48:36,660
He has really fascist government

1220
01:48:36,660 --> 01:48:39,760
operates by exterminating those,

1221
01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:42,640
and what separates us from gozans.

1222
01:48:43,020 --> 01:48:44,780
We are people just like they are.

1223
01:48:45,020 --> 01:48:47,320
And with this slide to fascism that is quickly

1224
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,660
descending upon us, I don't trust any of these surveillance

1225
01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:53,140
technologies, and I don't trust the future

1226
01:48:53,140 --> 01:48:55,060
of a militarized police state.

1227
01:48:55,060 --> 01:48:59,520
I do hope you won't know against this, so I thank you.

1228
01:49:06,540 --> 01:49:09,100
How many people in this room are for flock?

1229
01:49:09,340 --> 01:49:10,280
Who's for flock?

1230
01:49:10,980 --> 01:49:12,440
Who's not for flock?

1231
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:18,780
All right.

1232
01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:26,470
So we know we have a council member that went to the 47th Ignoration.

1233
01:49:27,330 --> 01:49:31,910
And it seems like y'all are trying to be fascist right here in Berkeley.

1234
01:49:32,650 --> 01:49:34,210
And we're not accepting that.

1235
01:49:34,210 --> 01:49:36,590
We accepting fascism and surveillance.

1236
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:19,920
First sit on the end here. So the TAV. Otherwise, I don't know, Mr. Flock is lying on what, but he's been called out. So don't believe the hype. No to Flock, say with me, no to Flock. Thank you.

1237
01:50:30,220 --> 01:50:36,640
I think that's all I need.

1238
01:50:36,820 --> 01:50:37,680
Thank you.

1239
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:42,760
Who raised their hand real quick?

1240
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:44,640
There's one, two.

1241
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:45,900
Wait, sorry.

1242
01:50:46,060 --> 01:50:47,520
Are you taking how many minutes?

1243
01:50:47,700 --> 01:50:48,360
Are you taking three?

1244
01:50:48,420 --> 01:50:49,240
I'm just taking three.

1245
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:50,120
Okay, so sorry.

1246
01:50:50,660 --> 01:50:52,360
One, two, I missed the third person.

1247
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:55,160
Three total.

1248
01:50:56,380 --> 01:50:56,780
Go ahead.

1249
01:50:58,340 --> 01:50:59,060
Thank you, Mayor.

1250
01:50:59,300 --> 01:51:00,040
And council members.

1251
01:51:00,380 --> 01:51:01,620
Thank you for being council members.

1252
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:10,840
Thank you, Council members, Bartlett, Traygub, O'Keef, who's in here, and Blockeby and Luna

1253
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:11,940
Parrot for your testimony.

1254
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:13,560
I appreciate it.

1255
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:19,200
This is really about whether Berkeley normalizes a future, where ordinary public life becomes permanently

1256
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:19,980
searchable.

1257
01:51:20,620 --> 01:51:24,580
We're told that these systems are narrow, temporary, and only for serious crime.

1258
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:28,260
But history shows us the same pattern again and again.

1259
01:51:28,260 --> 01:51:34,120
Today's exception becomes tomorrow standard, and meanwhile, the underlying conditions

1260
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:39,240
people are actually struggling with remain unsolved, surveillance doesn't lower rent,

1261
01:51:39,700 --> 01:51:44,920
it does not house people, it does not fix inequality, it does not rebuild trust in public

1262
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:45,780
institutions.

1263
01:51:47,380 --> 01:51:51,160
Thank you, technology is not a substitute for good governance.

1264
01:51:52,380 --> 01:51:58,160
What it does do is expand systems of monitoring over ordinary civic life, and when cameras

1265
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:02,600
are placed on telegraph, vancroft, and Durant in District 7.

1266
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,860
This is no longer some narrowly targeted security measure.

1267
01:52:06,300 --> 01:52:10,240
These are major public corridors, bus stops, economic streets,

1268
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:13,380
and some of the most accessible city spaces in Berkeley.

1269
01:52:14,180 --> 01:52:16,720
Students, workers, immigrants, unhoused residents,

1270
01:52:17,300 --> 01:52:20,780
organizers, shoppers, and neighbors move through these spaces every single day.

1271
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,040
Privacy is part of public safety.

1272
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:37,140
A democratic city should not mobilize mass data collection without strict limits, independent oversight, public transparency, and prove that the systems actually improve public safety, instead of simply expanding surveillance infrastructure.

1273
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:39,880
And if I'm being honest, they really shouldn't be used at all.

1274
01:52:40,340 --> 01:52:43,220
The burden is not on the public to accept being launched.

1275
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,720
The burden is on government to justify why it should.

1276
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:49,160
Thank you for your time and your testimony.

1277
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:54,960
I do want to say really quickly that I do believe that surveillance technology should be limited.

1278
01:52:55,320 --> 01:53:00,300
I do believe the city of Berkeley should be the ones that own this technology and encrypted and to end.

1279
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,480
I do believe that the facial recognition should be scattered.

1280
01:53:04,020 --> 01:53:07,240
The data should be poisoned. The AI should be off the table.

1281
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,620
You all have a chance and a ride to make the right call this day.

1282
01:53:11,620 --> 01:53:18,860
But no, this city is not ready for the artificial intelligence that's going to come in the next round of flock data.

1283
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:25,220
The city is not ready to hold guard blocks in place if that data is hacked by malicious actor.

1284
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:31,220
And so I think this city is ready to take it seriously that no, we do not want flock.

1285
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:32,960
No, we do not want surveillance.

1286
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:39,140
We are a sanctuary city, and that means we protect everyone regardless of whether they're criminal or not.

1287
01:53:39,140 --> 01:53:42,560
because they have due process and need to be seen in a court of law.

1288
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:44,820
So I thank you for your time and your energy.

1289
01:53:45,100 --> 01:53:47,120
I thank you all for your energy and your time.

1290
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:50,140
And if anyone wants to hear more, again, my name is Aiden Hill.

1291
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:52,620
I'm running for Berkeley City Council District 7.

1292
01:53:54,180 --> 01:53:57,120
So I really look forward to working with all of you on this.

1293
01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:58,940
And again, our city deserves sanctuary.

1294
01:53:59,180 --> 01:54:00,260
Thank you.

1295
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:00,820
Thank you.

1296
01:54:06,860 --> 01:54:08,780
I was given an extra minute.

1297
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:12,120
All right. Hi, everyone.

1298
01:54:13,140 --> 01:54:15,320
So I agree that it's a false dichotomy

1299
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:18,720
that we can only have civil liberty protections or safety.

1300
01:54:18,980 --> 01:54:20,460
I do think we can have both.

1301
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:23,160
But when it comes to police doing their jobs,

1302
01:54:23,340 --> 01:54:24,820
I do think they deserve a lot of support.

1303
01:54:25,540 --> 01:54:27,560
However, history has shown, again and again,

1304
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,860
that the federal government has very little regard

1305
01:54:29,860 --> 01:54:31,320
for our constitutional rights.

1306
01:54:31,660 --> 01:54:34,280
So the assurances made today about contractual obligations

1307
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:36,900
and processes are not persuasive to me.

1308
01:54:37,340 --> 01:54:39,540
And we can think about co-intel pro

1309
01:54:39,540 --> 01:54:41,640
when the FBI surveilled, infiltrated,

1310
01:54:41,780 --> 01:54:44,200
and sabotaged Dr. Martin Luther King's junior,

1311
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:49,200
the Black Panthers in the anti-war movement, but church committees revelations about the CIA and NSA

1312
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:54,240
spying on American citizens. The NSA's mass, warrantless, wire-tapping after 911,

1313
01:54:54,780 --> 01:54:59,980
exposed by Edward Snowden, the NYPD's document surveillance of entire Muslim American community.

1314
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:14,940
Social confidence that a company like this actually has the technological capability to actually keep the federal government out. We heard tonight that they have new security professionals, but I don't think many respectable information security officers would take a job with a company like this, so I asked that we find another way.

1315
01:55:17,180 --> 01:55:17,620
Thank

1316
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:24,520
you. Sorry, who's get one minute?

1317
01:55:24,860 --> 01:55:28,460
Okay. Two minutes. Two minutes. Two minutes. Two extra minutes.

1318
01:55:28,460 --> 01:55:33,280
The city attorney told you, flocks seeming willingness to agree to major overhaul the city

1319
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:38,160
proposals coupled with widespread media reports of other Jewish jurisdictions canceling their

1320
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:43,860
flock contracts, which likely has put financial pressure on the company suggests that flock

1321
01:55:43,860 --> 01:55:48,900
may be willing to agree to major changes to secure a deal, even though it's technical team will

1322
01:55:48,900 --> 01:55:54,140
not in practice be able to implement those changes, said this, your city attorney. And from

1323
01:55:54,140 --> 01:56:00,180
on website. Here's how it rewards its top sales people. A one-week group vacation that they call

1324
01:56:00,180 --> 01:56:06,000
Eagle's Club and this is what they say. Eagle's Club isn't a participation trophy. You have to outperform

1325
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:12,300
outwork and out execute in a room full of elite sellers. Eagle's Club is not something that appears at the

1326
01:56:12,300 --> 01:56:17,960
end of the year as a surprise. It becomes a steady motivator throughout. For James, that motivation extends

1327
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:23,880
beyond the individual. He said, it's always in the back of my mind. My wife's asking, where is this

1328
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:31,220
But both invested in getting there, this job brings the whole household into it, the winds, the stress, everything.

1329
01:56:31,660 --> 01:56:34,220
It's a culture thing, everyone's thinking about it.

1330
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:36,420
It's competitive, but in a motivating way.

1331
01:56:36,660 --> 01:56:40,800
That shared energy pushes people to raise their level over time.

1332
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:42,060
That's their salespeople.

1333
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:46,900
These are the people that are telling you how much fear is about keeping our data secure.

1334
01:56:47,340 --> 01:56:51,360
They're top salespeople, salivating for a contract with progressive Berkeley.

1335
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:57,180
I once worked for a company like that, where the sales people sold systems promising they could

1336
01:56:57,180 --> 01:57:00,960
do things that they actually couldn't do, that company did go out of business, but it took

1337
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:01,800
a long time.

1338
01:57:03,540 --> 01:57:03,980
Thanks, kid.

1339
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:08,840
Good evening.

1340
01:57:09,020 --> 01:57:14,360
I'm John Canard, the CEO of the Downtown Berkeley Association in 36-year resident in Berkeley.

1341
01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:21,700
We went through a strategic planning process last year, and by far, by far, safety was

1342
01:57:21,700 --> 01:57:28,140
issue number one with all of our stakeholders in our community survey copies for all of you.

1343
01:57:28,140 --> 01:57:34,460
You're in receipt of emails from university Avenue merchants visit Berkeley. The importance of safety

1344
01:57:34,460 --> 01:57:40,000
is paramount for employees, customers, residents and visitors. Today I had a conversation with

1345
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:45,700
merchants been 45 years in the downtown, said their employees don't feel safe, their people are being

1346
01:57:45,700 --> 01:57:51,300
assaulted, they're asking for help from our ambassadors and PD. We are implementing next year in

1347
01:57:51,300 --> 01:58:00,480
where to cost $250, $60,000 a safety ambassador program, because our stakeholders don't feel safe in our downtown.

1348
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:07,360
These systems have proven track record. Look at Berkeley, Berkeley scanner. Please do the right thing.

1349
01:58:07,620 --> 01:58:14,240
Provide BPD, the tools to a thanks time and provide a safety community for all of us. Thank you.

1350
01:58:16,770 --> 01:58:19,150
Okay, folks, come on.

1351
01:58:21,460 --> 01:58:22,940
I get four minutes.

1352
01:58:28,030 --> 01:58:28,470
Good evening.

1353
01:58:28,630 --> 01:58:29,990
My name is Abigail Lesbron.

1354
01:58:30,030 --> 01:58:33,010
I'm speaking on behalf of the Berkeley Immigration Collaborative,

1355
01:58:33,030 --> 01:58:35,650
or BIC, where five Berkeley-based organizations

1356
01:58:35,650 --> 01:58:38,350
with decades of experience serving immigrants

1357
01:58:38,350 --> 01:58:40,270
and asylum seekers in the Bay Area.

1358
01:58:40,930 --> 01:58:42,590
I am also a district five resident.

1359
01:58:43,430 --> 01:58:45,270
I was also born and raised in Berkeley.

1360
01:58:45,490 --> 01:58:47,870
My kids go to Berkeley schools and I work in Berkeley.

1361
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:51,070
This city council has heard from the BIC extensively

1362
01:58:51,070 --> 01:58:53,310
about the dangers of contracting with flock.

1363
01:58:53,690 --> 01:58:55,930
At this time, we want to make one thing clear.

1364
01:58:56,190 --> 01:58:58,270
If you vote yes on this contract,

1365
01:58:59,010 --> 01:59:00,850
you're breaking your commitment to sanctuary.

1366
01:59:01,230 --> 01:59:03,930
That commitment you made last year in September.

1367
01:59:05,670 --> 01:59:08,010
And you are also doing it in the exact moment

1368
01:59:08,010 --> 01:59:11,810
in this country's history when sanctuary matters most.

1369
01:59:11,970 --> 01:59:14,330
You all voted on that.

1370
01:59:15,090 --> 01:59:17,430
This technology is harmful to immigrants, yes,

1371
01:59:17,490 --> 01:59:19,390
but it's also harmful to unhoused neighbors

1372
01:59:19,390 --> 01:59:21,970
who already live under surveillance and constant displacement.

1373
01:59:22,610 --> 01:59:26,690
It's harmful to black and brown residents because this technology is documented to be racial

1374
01:59:26,690 --> 01:59:31,290
biased, and the people that misidentify are the people who are already overpoliced.

1375
01:59:31,770 --> 01:59:38,970
It's harmful to the residents in this room who leverage their privilege to show up as observers

1376
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:10,940
It is harmful to every person in Berkeley who might one day stand up to an authoritarian federal government. This is not a symbolic battle.

1377
02:00:11,820 --> 02:00:19,400
It is a battle to protect sanctuary and democratic control of our city, our technology and our privacy and our private data.

1378
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:24,840
79 jurisdictions to date have already canceled their flock contracts.

1379
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:26,620
They did it for a reason.

1380
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:32,440
In some, the police chiefs themselves led the effort.

1381
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:36,660
Just this week, El Salvador chose sanctuary over flock.

1382
02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:38,120
You can, too.

1383
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:39,940
The tide is changing.

1384
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:44,860
And the council can now choose to be on the right side of history

1385
02:00:44,860 --> 02:00:48,180
or to bear the responsibility for violating our rights

1386
02:00:48,180 --> 02:00:52,400
and are safety during the time of authoritarian overreach.

1387
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:54,000
The time is now.

1388
02:00:54,660 --> 02:00:56,280
According to public records request,

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02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:59,660
the federal government accessed Berkeley police departments

1390
02:00:59,660 --> 02:01:04,620
flocked data 86,000 times in two years.

1391
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:07,880
You say that the contract terms will protect us,

1392
02:01:08,100 --> 02:01:12,360
but our own city attorney is telling you that no contract terms

1393
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:14,800
will completely protect Berkeley's data

1394
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:20,300
And it will expose Berkeley to between 30 and 60 million dollars in legal liability.

1395
02:01:20,820 --> 02:01:26,040
I was surprised to hear nobody asked the city attorney any questions about that.

1396
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:32,840
If you approve this contract tonight, you are doing so against the advice of your own

1397
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:33,280
council.

1398
02:01:34,220 --> 02:01:35,740
This is a new attorney.

1399
02:01:35,960 --> 02:01:38,180
That is not good governance.

1400
02:01:39,480 --> 02:01:44,520
Yesterday Sarah Hamid of the Electronic Frontier Foundation told El Cereito, City Council

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02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:49,980
how flocks network architecture is broad, searchable, multi-juristic, and network where local

1402
02:01:49,980 --> 02:01:54,860
data is repurposed, relabeled, and reached through side doors that will make it impossible

1403
02:01:54,860 --> 02:01:56,040
for cities to monitor.

1404
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:01,980
What this means is that we do not and will not know the extent to which Berkeley's data

1405
02:02:01,980 --> 02:02:05,640
is being used by flocks AI modeling or federal agencies.

1406
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:10,780
The police accountability board found that no other jurisdiction uses one vendor for

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02:02:10,780 --> 02:02:15,900
of its surveillance technology and warned you against fully integrating all of Berkeley's data

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02:02:15,900 --> 02:02:21,940
with flock in this way without first analyzing the vulnerabilities. To conclude, I want to leave

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02:02:21,940 --> 02:02:27,940
you with the story of Mari Martinez at another gentleman reference. She's a U.S. citizen who's

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02:02:27,940 --> 02:02:35,760
a teaching assistant who I tracked using flock and they shot her five times, luckily they didn't

1411
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:41,540
her. Martinez said she would see bullet scars for her life, but she said in her

1412
02:02:41,540 --> 02:02:46,740
her educational hearing, and I quote, but perhaps even worse, the mental scars will

1413
02:02:46,740 --> 02:02:51,520
always be there as a reminder of the time my own government tried to execute me.

1414
02:02:51,820 --> 02:02:51,820
Thank

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02:02:58,540 --> 02:03:06,080
you. Madam City Attorney, Madam City Attorney, Madam City Attorney, did you want to

1416
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:09,800
Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor.

1417
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:15,860
Our office is aware that a privileged memo from our office was leaked to the press.

1418
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:20,940
Under established California law, the attorney client privilege

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02:03:20,940 --> 02:03:24,100
rests with the city council, the governing body of the city,

1420
02:03:24,260 --> 02:03:27,820
and unless you choose to waive it, it's preserved,

1421
02:03:28,660 --> 02:03:30,420
because you haven't waived it.

1422
02:03:30,420 --> 02:03:37,400
We will not discuss this leaked memo and urge the council members and commissioners and staff to

1423
02:03:37,400 --> 02:03:40,300
similarly refrain from discussing the contents.

1424
02:03:40,660 --> 02:03:41,440
Thank you.

1425
02:03:42,300 --> 02:03:42,500
Okay.

1426
02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:43,140
Go ahead.

1427
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:45,600
Hi.

1428
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:46,620
I'm Andrew.

1429
02:03:46,860 --> 02:03:50,480
I'm a district two voter who is voted for some of you up here tonight and I'm really hoping

1430
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:51,700
I didn't make a foolish decision.

1431
02:03:52,860 --> 02:03:57,800
I needed to make sure I come here tonight and remind you that many people fought and died

1432
02:03:57,800 --> 02:03:59,900
for my first fourth and eighth amendment rights.

1433
02:04:00,380 --> 02:04:02,480
And I'm not here going to be negotiating

1434
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:04,340
with some tech copy over them.

1435
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:07,600
Many people behind me with ethics can,

1436
02:04:07,660 --> 02:04:09,100
and we'll make great points regarding how

1437
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:11,860
master valence violates their first and fourth amendments.

1438
02:04:13,260 --> 02:04:14,840
And I'll make a case for the eighth.

1439
02:04:15,380 --> 02:04:17,360
If your history teacher was as good as mine,

1440
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:19,680
the eighth amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.

1441
02:04:20,620 --> 02:04:22,780
Every animal, except maybe Donnie Badger,

1442
02:04:23,420 --> 02:04:26,620
will have a natural justice response to being followed,

1443
02:04:26,620 --> 02:04:34,060
stock or if it feels a prey animal is there. Humans have the same response. If you set up

1444
02:04:34,060 --> 02:04:39,460
cameras everywhere, you're creating a giant psychological torture device that violates the

1445
02:04:39,460 --> 02:04:45,180
eighth amendment. Or repeat again, I am not going to negotiate over my first fourth and eighth

1446
02:04:45,180 --> 02:04:49,220
amendment rights. Cancel the contract. Good evening.

1447
02:04:54,510 --> 02:04:56,870
Good evening, Mayor ECE and council members.

1448
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,860
The Council on American Islamic Relations, and we want to express our opposition to the proposed

1449
02:05:04,860 --> 02:05:10,360
flock expansion in any ALPR alternatives. To start, flock is patently unsafe, flock's

1450
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:15,360
hackable nature makes Berkeley liable for SB 34 violations. flock has been proven to be hacked

1451
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:20,880
within 30 seconds due to 51 security vulnerabilities. In one instance, a user was able to access

1452
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:26,150
a 24-7 livestream of a children's playground in the Bay Area that is terrifying and that is

1453
02:05:26,150 --> 02:05:31,170
actionable. Flock and ALPRs are a threat to Berkeley residents at large. Berkeley residents

1454
02:05:31,170 --> 02:05:34,270
need to know that when they drive to seek legal assistance when they go to their

1455
02:05:34,270 --> 02:05:38,290
place of worship or when they attend a protest opposing Israel's genocide and

1456
02:05:38,290 --> 02:05:41,950
Gaza that they need to know that they won't be surveilled, kidnapped or killed by

1457
02:05:41,950 --> 02:05:45,350
ICE. Berkeley residents should feel safe enough to move through their city

1458
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:48,850
with a large shadow looming over them. Please meet for moments. They know to

1459
02:05:48,850 --> 02:05:50,850
Thank you.

1460
02:05:57,280 --> 02:06:02,420
Please stand up for a public safety and for a fact-driven data.

1461
02:06:03,260 --> 02:06:09,780
What's true is over 6,000 cities and communities chose

1462
02:06:09,780 --> 02:06:14,200
Block because they are effective because they help stop crying

1463
02:06:14,540 --> 02:06:21,720
because they work less than 1% did not back out of

1464
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:33,640
But so you represent the constituents that elected you and they are moderates, they are not the extremist you see here that we're rejected across the country.

1465
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:37,340
Because the beacon of radical extremism.

1466
02:06:37,540 --> 02:06:45,260
Order enough for your constituents who could not stay here to two in the morning because that's how long your meetings last, last time.

1467
02:06:45,260 --> 02:06:46,820
and they have to go to work.

1468
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:50,960
So vote with the 99% stand up for public safety.

1469
02:06:51,420 --> 02:06:55,940
There was a child, traffic or rapist that tortured a girl

1470
02:06:55,940 --> 02:06:58,340
and lit her on fire and fuck, put her away.

1471
02:06:58,640 --> 02:06:59,820
That person was in Berkeley.

1472
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:01,220
Thank you.

1473
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:04,000
Hold on.

1474
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:08,220
Before you seek folks, you need to be respectful

1475
02:07:08,220 --> 02:07:09,560
and let folks speak.

1476
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,700
This is that impact the time that everyone has to speak.

1477
02:07:12,820 --> 02:07:13,840
So please let them finish.

1478
02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:15,200
It's also disrespectful.

1479
02:07:15,560 --> 02:07:16,000
Go ahead.

1480
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:16,920
Thank you.

1481
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:27,760
So my name is Grant Thompson. I'm a district six resident. I raised my kids here. I'm a lawyer here. I am not an idiot log. I'm not an extremist. I'm your constituents.

1482
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:41,260
I wanted to comment. I saw an editorial that the pro flock of council members had written and I wanted to address a couple points that they made that a tour of us that they think about it.

1483
02:07:41,260 --> 02:07:48,600
So, it said as a defense to flock, flock does not directly give data to eyes or other federal agencies.

1484
02:07:50,840 --> 02:08:02,960
I'd like for you to sit with that a second and think about how you're going to feel about defending that to a woman who is seeing a loved one taken away and ducted by eyes because it was indirectly shared.

1485
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:10,600
That's an admission that these paper restrictions that you're talking about aren't going to work.

1486
02:08:11,140 --> 02:08:13,520
We all know this day is going to get out.

1487
02:08:14,780 --> 02:08:19,480
So you can cancel it now or you can wait until you get seen.

1488
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:19,980
Thank you.

1489
02:08:20,140 --> 02:08:21,040
And people start getting with us.

1490
02:08:21,060 --> 02:08:21,960
Thanks so much.

1491
02:08:26,970 --> 02:08:28,650
That's going to see me one minute.

1492
02:08:29,170 --> 02:08:29,430
Sorry.

1493
02:08:30,130 --> 02:08:30,510
From the, okay.

1494
02:08:30,730 --> 02:08:31,010
Thank you.

1495
02:08:32,050 --> 02:08:32,570
Thanks.

1496
02:08:32,690 --> 02:08:33,370
My name is Luis.

1497
02:08:33,370 --> 02:08:37,230
I live in Berkeley, and I had a lot of points I wanted to make today, but I just want to respond

1498
02:08:37,230 --> 02:08:42,730
to some of the points that Mr. Flock made in response to Council Member Blockeby.

1499
02:08:43,250 --> 02:08:48,910
He said that if Flock received subpoenas from the federal government, that they inform the federal

1500
02:08:48,910 --> 02:08:55,450
government that they do not own the data, and they, and they also immediately inform the local

1501
02:08:55,450 --> 02:08:57,970
agency that the data is being requested for.

1502
02:08:58,630 --> 02:09:03,110
That ignores the fact that there are many well-established pathways for federal subpoenas

1503
02:09:03,110 --> 02:09:09,450
that include a gang order, and that also directly ignores the fact that federal subpoenas

1504
02:09:09,450 --> 02:09:12,910
are not for the owner of the data, therefore anybody who has access to the data.

1505
02:09:13,250 --> 02:09:19,250
And there's a reason that Flock maintains this massive database of all of this data, a single

1506
02:09:19,250 --> 02:09:24,270
subpoena from the federal government to Flock can track the license plate of someone across

1507
02:09:24,270 --> 02:09:29,790
the entire United States, including all of California, and there can be no way of a local

1508
02:09:29,790 --> 02:09:35,290
agency or jurisdiction being made aware of that. According to the electronic frontier

1509
02:09:35,290 --> 02:09:40,590
foundation, there were hundreds of thousands of national security letters which are

1510
02:09:40,590 --> 02:09:46,050
these kind of subpoenas sent by the FBI over the last decade, 97% of them included

1511
02:09:46,050 --> 02:09:50,870
this kind of gag order, which would mean that the person being subpoenaed cannot notify anyone else.

1512
02:09:51,170 --> 02:09:55,770
And it's patently ridiculous to think that they are going to be able to just say, oh,

1513
02:09:55,790 --> 02:09:59,510
well, Berkeley technically owns the data even though I have access to all the data right here.

1514
02:09:59,510 --> 02:09:59,970
That's...

1515
02:10:23,820 --> 02:10:29,440
We're facing a budget deficit and potential layoffs risking multi million dollars lawsuits,

1516
02:10:29,620 --> 02:10:33,960
resulting from Fox welfare established practice of data misuse, will be an irresponsible, financial

1517
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:37,240
decision when the jobs of essential city workers are in your hands.

1518
02:10:37,240 --> 02:10:42,120
Exhibited police over time is already eating up millions of dollars while critical safety net

1519
02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:43,360
services are under threat.

1520
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:47,320
If you're not in good conscience allow for example, health housing and community services

1521
02:10:47,320 --> 02:10:52,980
programs that prevent crises create real public safety and still dignity to be placed on the

1522
02:10:52,980 --> 02:10:57,940
chopping block while increasing militarized policing and racial profiling to target the already

1523
02:10:57,940 --> 02:10:59,720
most over-police community members.

1524
02:11:00,180 --> 02:11:04,600
We need to balance our budget not gamble on a bad decision that's extremely unpopular

1525
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:09,700
and Berkeley. The attend to one CSU board, cove delegates and concerned members, oppose the

1526
02:11:09,700 --> 02:11:15,280
flock contract. Prioritized, Berkeley is over billionaires, services over surveillance, constituents

1527
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:20,880
of a corporate contract, contracts, and workers of a waste, no flock.

1528
02:11:40,370 --> 02:11:41,050
I have a couple of people

1529
02:11:41,050 --> 02:11:46,430
the pink and then touch. Okay, got it. Three. All right. I'm not quite sure who you counted.

1530
02:11:48,230 --> 02:11:53,170
Okay. My name is Andrew Pritch and I'm a Berkeley cop watch and I just want, and I'm also

1531
02:11:53,170 --> 02:11:57,090
about district two resident. I just want to show you all that you do not care about how we're

1532
02:11:57,090 --> 02:12:02,130
safety more than we do. So we're not here saying, we don't care about safety. We're here because

1533
02:12:02,130 --> 02:12:07,270
we care desperately about our safety. And we perceive the threat differently than you do.

1534
02:12:07,270 --> 02:12:14,190
What I want to say also is that let's be clear that the crime rate in Berkeley is going

1535
02:12:14,190 --> 02:12:14,550
down.

1536
02:12:14,710 --> 02:12:20,730
It was going down before you employed all the ALPRs and inside the flock, the new flock

1537
02:12:20,730 --> 02:12:21,090
cameras.

1538
02:12:21,690 --> 02:12:23,270
So that's a trend that's already happening.

1539
02:12:23,730 --> 02:12:30,550
And I do, I would define anybody to come up with an independent research that says that

1540
02:12:30,550 --> 02:12:32,590
flock cameras are associated with crime declines.

1541
02:12:32,990 --> 02:12:36,210
What we have is flock representatives and cops telling you that.

1542
02:12:36,210 --> 02:12:39,610
Where is the reliable research?

1543
02:12:39,770 --> 02:12:42,050
Where is the reliable data that's independent?

1544
02:12:43,050 --> 02:12:47,090
We are fully aware that we're being asked to trust Flock.

1545
02:12:47,510 --> 02:12:50,250
I want to comment about National Lookup.

1546
02:12:50,710 --> 02:12:54,310
According to CBS, the Venturist County Shaves,

1547
02:12:54,390 --> 02:12:58,510
obviously, had disabled Flock's national lookup feature in June 2023

1548
02:12:58,510 --> 02:13:02,510
to comply with California's law borrowing local agencies

1549
02:13:02,510 --> 02:13:04,930
from sharing automatic license plate reader data

1550
02:13:04,930 --> 02:13:07,310
without a statement that we're law enforcement agencies.

1551
02:13:08,370 --> 02:13:09,730
However, earlier this month,

1552
02:13:10,250 --> 02:13:14,010
deputies learned that several California law enforcement agencies reported

1553
02:13:14,010 --> 02:13:17,990
that the national look-up feature had somehow been reactivated

1554
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:19,810
without any explanation.

1555
02:13:20,930 --> 02:13:23,150
My question, whether it's deception,

1556
02:13:23,830 --> 02:13:25,730
deviousness, or incompetence.

1557
02:13:26,010 --> 02:13:28,550
How if this was a job interview, would you hire them?

1558
02:13:30,090 --> 02:13:31,230
Would you hire them?

1559
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:46,530
I'm asking you also to consider that the people of Minneapolis who protested, that they were told that the authorities would be investigating everybody who participated in the protests, that and they've got 300 flock cameras.

1560
02:13:47,110 --> 02:13:55,750
The CEO of Flock recently referred to organizers with a group called Deflock as domestic terrorists simply because they're doing what we're doing right now.

1561
02:13:55,750 --> 02:13:58,050
If our current government,

1562
02:14:00,170 --> 02:14:07,210
we have this, we've given this council a clear mandate about how we want public safety to look.

1563
02:14:08,070 --> 02:14:11,030
We did five years ago and we have not lost lack of that vision.

1564
02:14:11,490 --> 02:14:14,210
We want public safety. We want to reimagine it.

1565
02:14:14,330 --> 02:14:20,010
And we believe that if there's a crisis with cops and there's not enough cops, we already told you.

1566
02:14:20,010 --> 02:14:27,010
We need a non-police response to calls that don't require somebody with a gun on their hip.

1567
02:14:28,590 --> 02:14:35,170
That is a clear way forward that will leave the pressure on these guys and make us all feel a lot better.

1568
02:15:00,020 --> 02:15:05,840
Also, the issue of liability is real. As you well know, leaks happen.

1569
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:21,360
I can't leak the data. That would be a liability that could cost these city millions of dollars.

1570
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:29,440
So, you see how easy it is. I also want to make you aware of a bill called the surveillance accountability act that is currently before Congress.

1571
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:32,580
And what they proposed to do is to restrict

1572
02:15:32,580 --> 02:15:36,020
what was government surveillance by requiring judicial

1573
02:15:36,020 --> 02:15:40,300
ruins based on probable cause for accessing personal

1574
02:15:40,300 --> 02:15:43,300
data, including information from data brokers.

1575
02:15:44,660 --> 02:15:47,700
If that legislation goes forward, then the fundamental

1576
02:15:47,700 --> 02:15:52,540
premise of this whole totalitarian flock infrastructure

1577
02:15:53,220 --> 02:15:56,320
gets the floor taken out from under it.

1578
02:15:56,600 --> 02:15:58,580
Instead of a cop casually like, where's my girlfriend?

1579
02:15:58,580 --> 02:16:05,040
I'm going in there and checking flat database, they would have to get a judicial warrant.

1580
02:16:05,980 --> 02:16:09,260
And that fundamentally alters what is being proposed here today.

1581
02:16:09,380 --> 02:16:10,340
Thank you.

1582
02:16:18,860 --> 02:16:22,980
I've got one minute from, yeah, of course, in the back.

1583
02:16:24,640 --> 02:16:28,840
Good evening, Mayor, members of the City Council, our beautiful community and Mr. Flock.

1584
02:16:30,140 --> 02:16:33,560
I am a solid Albert, chair of the Berkeley Rental Stabilization Board, speaking in my own

1585
02:16:33,560 --> 02:16:33,900
capacity.

1586
02:16:33,900 --> 02:16:38,820
I'm speaking tonight in opposition to any relationship between the city of Berkeley and

1587
02:16:38,820 --> 02:16:39,560
Floxarellis.

1588
02:16:40,180 --> 02:16:45,520
I think that we shouldn't do this because it's a reckless, irresponsible thing to do during

1589
02:16:45,520 --> 02:16:46,260
Trump's reign.

1590
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:51,900
When ISIS shown it is willing to use every tool in its disposal legal or otherwise in

1591
02:16:51,900 --> 02:16:53,180
order to assault our immigrant community.

1592
02:16:54,240 --> 02:17:00,620
But even if that weren't the case, this no-bid contract is a massive boom-doggle for a city facing

1593
02:17:00,620 --> 02:17:01,800
a multimillion dollar deficit.

1594
02:17:02,380 --> 02:17:05,420
The draft budget proposes to lay off city workers,

1595
02:17:06,120 --> 02:17:09,420
cut services, and reduce funding for affordable housing,

1596
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:13,980
which unlike block surveillance is actually the number one priority of Berkeley voters

1597
02:17:13,980 --> 02:17:16,000
and every poll that we've ever done.

1598
02:17:19,520 --> 02:17:22,780
This is a multi-million dollar no bid contract.

1599
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:28,500
And even apart from that, the minute the city approves it, you're going to be sued.

1600
02:17:29,180 --> 02:17:30,720
And that's a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

1601
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:42,700
And, even apart from that, the minute those cameras go up, they're going to be targeted systematically for, you know, for, um, for decoration. Yeah. And that's not a threat from me. That's not, I'm not urging that. That's just a reality.

1602
02:17:42,980 --> 02:17:49,700
We've seen that already throughout the country and in our neighborhood in Oakland, right? So, how is this council going to spend public money?

1603
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:57,820
They are going to be multiple measures on the ballot this November, including potentially one from the City Council proposing a, unfortunately, regressive sales tax,

1604
02:17:57,820 --> 02:18:03,380
where the people will be asked to tax themselves to fund city services is this council really

1605
02:18:03,380 --> 02:18:08,480
going to throw the public's money into surveillance that we do not want then get sued for

1606
02:18:08,480 --> 02:18:12,820
multiple millions of dollars more of the public's money and then have those cameras all destroyed

1607
02:18:12,820 --> 02:18:18,500
and then tell the public will you give us some more money and raise your sales taxes. I think that's a

1608
02:18:18,500 --> 02:18:20,740
really stupid idea. Thank you.

1609
02:18:30,470 --> 02:18:34,850
Hi I believe I have two minutes from a friend over here and over here.

1610
02:18:35,630 --> 02:18:36,730
So thank you.

1611
02:18:36,850 --> 02:18:37,850
Three minutes total.

1612
02:18:39,570 --> 02:18:39,610
Hi.

1613
02:18:39,970 --> 02:18:41,030
My name is William Martins.

1614
02:18:41,170 --> 02:18:43,350
I'm a Berkeley resident of District 3.

1615
02:18:43,470 --> 02:18:44,510
I'm a local pastor.

1616
02:18:44,930 --> 02:18:47,930
I'm also an organizer with e-spacing e-resistance.

1617
02:18:48,450 --> 02:18:51,470
And I'm here to call you in through song again.

1618
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:55,690
Last time we had comment on this.

1619
02:18:55,690 --> 02:18:59,850
You may remember, I sent you an invitation to change your mind.

1620
02:19:00,190 --> 02:19:02,110
If you were supporting the vlog comment,

1621
02:19:02,110 --> 02:19:07,830
contract. Today, I'm going to sing for you a new song. And invite any others here who want

1622
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:14,930
to sing to join me. And this is an invitation to affirm that how we spend our money matters.

1623
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:23,830
And budgets have moral implications. And we, as a community, are calling you to spend our money in ways

1624
02:19:23,830 --> 02:19:31,370
that honor our community's values, which are being named here very clearly tonight. So you've got

1625
02:19:31,370 --> 02:19:35,370
Put your money where your heart is.

1626
02:19:36,410 --> 02:19:39,070
Find the world you long to see.

1627
02:19:40,170 --> 02:19:44,650
It's time we put our money where our heart is toward every human.

1628
02:20:00,110 --> 02:20:06,710
Let's try that together. We've got to put your money where you're hard. Son, the world, do you want to see?

1629
02:20:06,910 --> 02:20:18,050
Funds, the world you long to see. It's time we put. It's time we put our money where our heart is toward every human, living healthy, living.

1630
02:20:18,190 --> 02:20:23,890
Let's do that verse one more time. We've got to put your money where it is.

1631
02:20:23,890 --> 02:20:23,890
I

1632
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:39,480
live in free, amazing, so we're gonna do it a little bit more.

1633
02:20:39,900 --> 02:20:43,280
But now we're gonna say, it isn't flop that keeps us safe.

1634
02:20:43,720 --> 02:20:45,180
It's you and me, right?

1635
02:20:46,340 --> 02:20:48,000
Yeah, so that goes like this.

1636
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:52,380
So you can put your money where your heart, it isn't flop.

1637
02:20:53,020 --> 02:20:56,920
It isn't flop that keeps us safe, it's you and me.

1638
02:20:57,600 --> 02:21:04,880
It's time we put our money where our heart

1639
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:09,000
live in three. Well, it's time to put.

1640
02:21:12,590 --> 02:21:17,390
It's time to put. It's time to put.

1641
02:21:21,890 --> 02:21:21,890
It's time to put.

1642
02:21:21,970 --> 02:21:22,530
There's living,

1643
02:21:26,130 --> 02:21:28,850
how are we living, how are we living, how are we living, how are we living. Every

1644
02:21:28,850 --> 02:21:29,470
human,

1645
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:38,040
every

1646
02:21:46,200 --> 02:21:48,100
living, every, every.

1647
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:08,520
Way to see. I got a minute from Crochet. Okay. Thank you. Catherine. Okay.

1648
02:22:10,860 --> 02:22:13,780
So, George Lippman, I'm a member of the...

1649
02:22:13,780 --> 02:22:14,740
Let's talk in the mic.

1650
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:16,940
Member of the Peace and Justice Commission.

1651
02:22:17,340 --> 02:22:19,340
And I'm speaking with the...

1652
02:22:19,340 --> 02:22:22,120
At the request of the chair,

1653
02:22:22,480 --> 02:22:25,260
Pastor Dwayne Phillips, who senses regrets.

1654
02:22:26,480 --> 02:22:28,020
In this complex issue,

1655
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:31,700
there are some things that are very clear.

1656
02:22:33,580 --> 02:22:35,520
We now know that the city is on a 30 raise,

1657
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:41,500
strong concerns about the liability of $30 to $60 million if we go forward with this proposal.

1658
02:22:42,920 --> 02:22:48,280
Council, you're responsible for the fiscal health of this city. To go forward with this contract

1659
02:22:48,280 --> 02:22:56,660
expansion would be a gross failure of your fiduciary duty. We love Berkeley and we want to help keep

1660
02:22:56,660 --> 02:23:04,020
it safe physically as well as financially. Please take seriously your responsibility as well.

1661
02:23:04,020 --> 02:23:08,500
Then, send this troubling contract back to the drawing board.

1662
02:23:10,280 --> 02:23:17,660
In a larger frame, this is a time when the hard one reimagining public safety initiative,

1663
02:23:18,300 --> 02:23:23,780
essentially finding positive solutions to social problems is on really hard times.

1664
02:23:24,680 --> 02:23:28,840
Specialized care unit is no more, burped out, never got off the ground.

1665
02:23:29,960 --> 02:23:36,100
I want to share at this moment a few of the findings and functions that are contained in

1666
02:23:36,100 --> 02:23:42,540
the Peace and Justice Commission's mandate, findings, H, they're lettered.

1667
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:50,680
Our best protection lies in initiating, devising, and promulgating, peaceful, and just policy alternatives.

1668
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:59,700
Finding J, it is a responsibility of one and all to labor hard for peace and justice within

1669
02:23:59,700 --> 02:24:01,640
forms of appropriate scale.

1670
02:24:02,940 --> 02:24:08,960
And two of the functions, functions C, help develop proposals for the city council and the

1671
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:13,900
school board for actions in furtherance of the goals of peace and justice and help

1672
02:24:13,900 --> 02:24:16,280
publicize such actions in the community.

1673
02:24:17,440 --> 02:24:23,780
Function F, develop ways to resolve conflict which do not involve violence and which may

1674
02:24:23,780 --> 02:24:28,600
be applied on a local level as well as a national level.

1675
02:24:29,220 --> 02:24:31,960
This is now the 40th anniversary of the Peace and Justice Commission.

1676
02:24:32,740 --> 02:24:38,040
Please reach out to the Peace and Justice Commission for help, creating positive solutions,

1677
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:44,060
strengthen the police accountability board and stop undermining it, reach out to the

1678
02:24:44,060 --> 02:24:49,340
women welfare and community action commission. We are here to help. Thank you.

1679
02:24:49,440 --> 02:24:49,960
Thank you.

1680
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:09,980
It is of one of the most knowledgeable, educated cities, not just in the state or the country, but the world.

1681
02:25:14,010 --> 02:25:32,890
So, it is surprising to me that a contract with flock would be considered, proposed, rather, and then be considered for a vote, given all that we know about flock.

1682
02:25:34,570 --> 02:25:37,950
The data is before us, right, all the data that we need.

1683
02:25:38,670 --> 02:25:42,570
We've heard it from people who came before me and at the other meeting.

1684
02:25:43,090 --> 02:25:49,640
I also want to address two things that I didn't hear addressed.

1685
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:56,240
We know from the city attorney that flocked reactivated the national look-up feature.

1686
02:25:56,580 --> 02:26:01,620
After Ventura County, right here in California, deactivated it to comply with state law.

1687
02:26:01,620 --> 02:26:04,540
block to this without notice or explanation.

1688
02:26:06,060 --> 02:26:10,840
So I wonder how we can trust rock around this feature when

1689
02:26:10,840 --> 02:26:14,140
asked about it earlier today.

1690
02:26:15,140 --> 02:26:19,160
The other thing we know is that cities and towns

1691
02:26:19,160 --> 02:26:21,860
who have asked to deactivate block cameras.

1692
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:26,040
Those cameras were not deactivated,

1693
02:26:26,220 --> 02:26:28,480
and they had to cover those cameras up.

1694
02:26:28,480 --> 02:26:34,120
I didn't hear forgive me if I missed it, but I didn't hear anything to address that.

1695
02:26:34,380 --> 02:26:42,220
So I'm just wondering how we could go forward with an actor like Flock with all these breaches

1696
02:26:42,220 --> 02:26:47,220
of contracts with all these civil rights violations and the constitutional rights violations

1697
02:26:47,220 --> 02:26:49,400
that we're seeing across the country.

1698
02:26:56,200 --> 02:26:59,820
I'm also seeing a lot of people working extremely hard

1699
02:26:59,820 --> 02:27:07,840
to represent themselves before you and that's very painful to see because we elected you to represent us.

1700
02:27:15,640 --> 02:27:20,540
I'm not seeing that right now. I'm at a move because I only have 30 seconds.

1701
02:27:23,640 --> 02:27:29,580
Since I could not find a single reason, a single good reason to contract with Locke,

1702
02:27:29,620 --> 02:27:34,400
I came up with another list of reasons to contract with Locke. I'd like to share them with you.

1703
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:38,260
I have another minute from someone I'm so sorry. Thank you.

1704
02:27:39,480 --> 02:27:47,680
I'd like to share my list with you. If we want to fall behind cities, big and small, we should contract with Flock.

1705
02:27:48,680 --> 02:27:58,460
If we want to bring the shame of choosing corporate rhetoric over community safety to our city, into our city, we should contract with Flock.

1706
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:03,320
If we want to be on the wrong side of history in 2026,

1707
02:28:04,180 --> 02:28:07,620
at a time we are living under a fascist national regime,

1708
02:28:08,260 --> 02:28:09,660
we should contract with flock.

1709
02:28:11,340 --> 02:28:14,860
If we want to support the goals of that fascist national regime

1710
02:28:14,860 --> 02:28:18,620
and its unraveling of our civil rights, we should contract with flock.

1711
02:28:20,300 --> 02:28:23,960
If we want to dishonor and undermine the struggle for free speech

1712
02:28:23,960 --> 02:28:27,640
and the struggle to establish Berkeley as a sanctuary city,

1713
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:29,660
We should contract with Flock.

1714
02:28:31,480 --> 02:28:39,080
If you city council want to turn your backs on the proud immigrants, people of color, queer,

1715
02:28:40,420 --> 02:28:46,180
delibers, youth, and disabled residents and residents at large, you should contract with Flock.

1716
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:47,820
Thank you.

1717
02:28:48,660 --> 02:28:49,640
Thank you.

1718
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:50,720
Thank you.

1719
02:28:50,940 --> 02:28:51,520
Thank you.

1720
02:28:53,140 --> 02:29:00,780
So we're going to take, are you going to get extra time?

1721
02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:03,100
Okay, I think we need to take a break.

1722
02:29:03,320 --> 02:29:04,440
So I don't want to interrupt your time.

1723
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:09,180
So let's just take, yeah, we're going to take, we're just about it

1724
02:29:09,180 --> 02:29:11,760
almost one hours of two minutes shy.

1725
02:29:11,840 --> 02:29:16,360
So we're going to take a ten minute break that does not count for the public speaking time.

1726
02:29:16,540 --> 02:29:17,180
Thank you.

1727
02:29:30,280 --> 02:29:30,940
Sorry folks.

1728
02:29:31,320 --> 02:29:31,440
Sorry.

1729
02:29:31,440 --> 02:29:33,240
One more thing, if you're standing in line,

1730
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:34,700
and you're trying to keep your line,

1731
02:29:35,380 --> 02:29:38,120
we've got cards, and we're going to give you numbers

1732
02:30:07,860 --> 02:30:20,100
Okay, we're starting back up. We're starting back up, folks. Please, please come back. We lost Nathan. I think Nathan was first in line.

1733
02:30:20,680 --> 02:30:25,160
Yeah, it looked like it was Nathan myself and Moni Law,

1734
02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:45,440
a crusader.

1735
02:31:05,060 --> 02:31:08,100
Okay Nathan come on up

1736
02:31:16,810 --> 02:31:23,770
okay everyone be quiet it's Nathan's turn to speak Nathan how many minutes do you have I think I got three

1737
02:31:23,770 --> 02:31:28,970
One there the he already yielded one here two

1738
02:31:28,970 --> 02:31:32,590
Sorry wait the third one

1739
02:31:33,210 --> 02:31:35,870
Yeah, oh I don't okay. Thank you. Who's the third

1740
02:31:35,870 --> 02:31:39,990
Um, he raised his hand for somebody else.

1741
02:31:39,990 --> 02:31:45,050
No, I got, I got, no, no, no, you didn't raise your hand for someone else.

1742
02:31:45,130 --> 02:31:46,330
I haven't seen you yet.

1743
02:31:46,490 --> 02:31:47,050
So yeah, you're good.

1744
02:31:47,050 --> 02:31:47,170
You're good.

1745
02:31:47,750 --> 02:31:48,410
And this buddy.

1746
02:31:48,750 --> 02:31:49,830
He was sitting over there before.

1747
02:31:50,230 --> 02:31:51,970
I know, but I'm writing down who?

1748
02:31:53,070 --> 02:31:53,730
Seven out of Swiss.

1749
02:31:53,930 --> 02:31:54,130
Okay.

1750
02:31:54,570 --> 02:31:54,790
Okay.

1751
02:31:55,490 --> 02:31:55,830
Okay.

1752
02:31:56,430 --> 02:31:58,190
So that's four minutes total.

1753
02:31:58,490 --> 02:31:58,750
Go ahead.

1754
02:32:02,830 --> 02:32:03,270
Alrighty.

1755
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:05,270
Madam Mayor and City Council.

1756
02:32:05,950 --> 02:32:07,190
My name is Nathan Mysell.

1757
02:32:07,190 --> 02:32:09,830
I am a Remport Commissioner, speaking as individual.

1758
02:32:10,430 --> 02:32:13,210
I am the former Vice Chair of the Police Accountability Board.

1759
02:32:13,970 --> 02:32:16,530
I was the chair of the Remastering Public Safety Task Force,

1760
02:32:16,590 --> 02:32:19,790
and I served on the Fair and Improersial Policeing Working Group.

1761
02:32:21,070 --> 02:32:22,830
The facts are not much different, folks,

1762
02:32:22,910 --> 02:32:25,730
and they were, when I spoke to you, about two months ago.

1763
02:32:27,690 --> 02:32:28,930
All of y'all know the facts.

1764
02:32:30,310 --> 02:32:34,030
They've been told to you by the many public speakers here.

1765
02:32:34,090 --> 02:32:35,950
They've been told to you, and the many memos you've read,

1766
02:32:35,950 --> 02:32:37,430
and they've been told to you in the news reports.

1767
02:32:37,550 --> 02:32:39,550
They've been told to you, by your own city attorney,

1768
02:32:39,750 --> 02:32:42,790
who I want to mention here, I was quite critical

1769
02:32:42,790 --> 02:32:44,650
last meeting of the city attorney's office.

1770
02:32:46,170 --> 02:32:49,330
My bad, you nailed the analysis on this one.

1771
02:32:49,510 --> 02:32:51,070
Completely, some of these paragraphs,

1772
02:32:51,190 --> 02:32:52,050
I would have rid of myself,

1773
02:32:54,430 --> 02:32:56,970
everyone with the qualities

1774
02:32:58,170 --> 02:33:01,410
to understand the information, whether they're professionals,

1775
02:33:01,910 --> 02:33:04,450
attorneys, activists, regular people in the public,

1776
02:33:04,450 --> 02:33:08,490
Folks, you don't usually come to these meetings right here because this is important to them.

1777
02:33:08,850 --> 02:33:09,970
Everyone understands.

1778
02:33:11,330 --> 02:33:14,450
There is no place, no place for flock in our city.

1779
02:33:19,450 --> 02:33:22,010
And I know at least four of you up there understand that too.

1780
02:33:22,870 --> 02:33:24,090
I'm hoping for five.

1781
02:33:24,710 --> 02:33:26,920
And I saw the op-ed four of y'all put out.

1782
02:33:28,690 --> 02:33:29,370
That's y'all's opinions.

1783
02:33:29,930 --> 02:33:31,090
I don't think it's very well written.

1784
02:33:32,150 --> 02:33:33,010
I'm sorry.

1785
02:33:33,350 --> 02:33:34,150
I got to be honest.

1786
02:33:37,250 --> 02:33:38,170
But I'm hoping.

1787
02:33:38,170 --> 02:33:44,410
that for the one council member, we don't quite know yet what they might do, that there's some room for convincing.

1788
02:33:45,370 --> 02:33:47,050
Because that is going to change these facts folks.

1789
02:33:47,830 --> 02:33:57,230
I heard so much conversation, of course, around the numbers and the prevents crime and the chief tells you if runs crime and the guy paid by a flock to tell you to prevent crime is here as well.

1790
02:33:59,210 --> 02:34:06,590
If you take the numbers from the op-it, I think it was 52 confirmed reports and again, every crime in the city serves obviously serious crimes as serious.

1791
02:34:06,590 --> 02:34:12,520
Right, I've worked on these issues. I've been in court rooms. The folks who've been victims of crime. I think that's seriously as well

1792
02:34:13,630 --> 02:34:15,550
If you take all of that

1793
02:34:16,750 --> 02:34:18,870
Fays value no analysis of the data

1794
02:34:18,870 --> 02:34:27,050
At the counts for 0.52% of reported crime last year that is the difference we are talking about with flock

1795
02:34:27,050 --> 02:34:33,790
This is not some miracle technology is not making a 20% reduction in crime 10% reduction not even a 5%

1796
02:34:33,790 --> 02:34:38,570
The, it's making zero reduction is, it's not what it does, the technology finds things

1797
02:34:38,570 --> 02:34:46,090
after the facts, 0.52 percent improvement clearance rate, 0.52 percent, a decimal percent

1798
02:34:46,090 --> 02:34:49,530
improvement is what we're willing to sell out our values for in this city.

1799
02:34:59,760 --> 02:34:59,960
I am,

1800
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:10,580
Future where fascist surveillance is the norm. I am not resigned to a future where our trans and immigrant neighbors are surveilled by

1801
02:35:10,580 --> 02:35:17,880
technologies company and their investors who support the orange man of stairs or maybe down stairs.

1802
02:35:21,380 --> 02:35:29,880
I am not resigned to a future where a city that once dedicated itself to reimagining public safety, I was there trust me.

1803
02:35:30,540 --> 02:35:35,600
now decides that the only public safety we can be afforded is a mass surveillance network

1804
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:39,680
in the hands of a police chief who constantly violates the law.

1805
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:51,920
I am not resigned to a future where the voices of your constituents are profoundly ignored

1806
02:35:52,640 --> 02:35:58,480
and are taken for granted and are safety as the value for a technology company that doesn't

1807
02:35:58,480 --> 02:36:03,220
Give a damn about this city beyond signing a check.

1808
02:36:03,220 --> 02:36:04,580
Thank you.

1809
02:36:09,780 --> 02:36:10,120
Moni.

1810
02:36:10,260 --> 02:36:11,280
Y'all can make the share.

1811
02:36:11,300 --> 02:36:11,780
Save it.

1812
02:36:11,900 --> 02:36:12,580
It's Moni's turn.

1813
02:36:13,220 --> 02:36:14,060
Thank you.

1814
02:36:14,200 --> 02:36:15,160
You can make the right decision.

1815
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:16,000
Moni.

1816
02:36:16,020 --> 02:36:16,820
It's your turn.

1817
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:22,940
Thank you, Mama Ayana.

1818
02:36:25,100 --> 02:36:29,520
Moor, council, staff, and community.

1819
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:37,020
I speak in my personal capacity as a resident of Berkeley, a proud graduate of UC Berkeley.

1820
02:36:37,020 --> 02:36:50,520
Go Bears, proud mom of Matthew Raw, oh wait, I have stopped the clock. I forgot to get my extra minutes. Oh, I had some people offering. Can you please raise your hands with all those who offered one, two, wait, who's the second person?

1821
02:36:53,160 --> 02:37:00,060
That's one. Please, I'm sorry. I can't see you, Grace. I couldn't see you around the grace and

1822
02:37:01,940 --> 02:37:03,920
Okay, I guess I just have two and that's a total.

1823
02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:04,660
Oh, I have another.

1824
02:37:05,140 --> 02:37:05,740
What's your name here?

1825
02:37:05,760 --> 02:37:07,280
Sorry, could you stand if I can?

1826
02:37:07,440 --> 02:37:07,780
So I can see.

1827
02:37:08,020 --> 02:37:08,580
Yeah, thank you.

1828
02:37:08,880 --> 02:37:08,960
Okay.

1829
02:37:08,960 --> 02:37:09,880
I don't know your name.

1830
02:37:11,080 --> 02:37:11,800
Thank you.

1831
02:37:12,220 --> 02:37:13,400
So that's a total of four minutes.

1832
02:37:14,140 --> 02:37:15,200
I was going to say you're on her.

1833
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:16,720
I'm in a turn.

1834
02:37:17,740 --> 02:37:19,060
I think five years at that time.

1835
02:37:19,660 --> 02:37:20,940
You've used 20 seconds.

1836
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:22,800
So far so you've got three minutes, 40 seconds left.

1837
02:37:22,820 --> 02:37:23,060
Go ahead.

1838
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:24,300
Thank you.

1839
02:37:28,600 --> 02:37:30,980
I have a plea to each of you on a diet.

1840
02:37:30,980 --> 02:37:34,260
to follow the wise words of Maya Angelou.

1841
02:37:34,600 --> 02:37:38,520
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

1842
02:37:39,460 --> 02:37:44,520
I also speak as a proud employee of the city of Berkeley, a member of SCIU 1021.

1843
02:37:44,840 --> 02:37:47,980
It was one of many employees who received a letter a couple of weeks ago saying I'm on

1844
02:37:47,980 --> 02:37:52,340
the chopping block after 15 years with the city which I've been working for.

1845
02:37:52,760 --> 02:37:59,580
So I may be retired earlier than expected, but I have bumping rights, but I don't want

1846
02:37:59,580 --> 02:38:04,800
to eliminate a newer employee and have them lose their jobs so I can keep mine.

1847
02:38:04,980 --> 02:38:10,020
I ask you, is this worth it to pay for this and to lose good city employees, to lose

1848
02:38:10,020 --> 02:38:15,380
the wellness, the heating, the warming center, that's on the chopping block.

1849
02:38:15,560 --> 02:38:19,400
Other things are on the chopping block that are essential cares and needs of the city.

1850
02:38:19,500 --> 02:38:25,600
I ask you, and I ask you to think of this, finances, flux, cost is too much in litigation,

1851
02:38:25,600 --> 02:38:29,540
prior trial lawyer of 25 years continue to go practice at Washington State.

1852
02:38:30,160 --> 02:38:36,300
Other cities, 50 other cities have contracted and ended their contracts for reasons of

1853
02:38:36,300 --> 02:38:43,580
irregularity and illegality and exposure to federal offices of police that should not have

1854
02:38:43,580 --> 02:38:45,900
had our information, but they did.

1855
02:38:46,280 --> 02:38:50,500
Why would we subject ourselves with financial losses under litigation as well as well

1856
02:38:50,500 --> 02:38:51,240
it not being safe?

1857
02:38:51,260 --> 02:38:51,900
What's the safety?

1858
02:38:51,900 --> 02:39:04,060
I have started the Berkeley Community Safety Coalition, but not very clearly any members here, the definition of safety is that we feel no harm.

1859
02:39:04,620 --> 02:39:15,940
We feel no loss. We feel community connection. We feel no danger. We feel no injury. There are many people who have been harmed by a flock and we should not be among them.

1860
02:39:15,940 --> 02:39:22,380
Finally, we have Berkeley values that I plead to you to sustain.

1861
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:28,260
In Berkeley, I was proud to be part of the anti-apartied movement in South Africa and

1862
02:39:28,260 --> 02:39:31,380
Nelson Mandela, thank the people of Berkeley for our work.

1863
02:39:31,880 --> 02:39:34,120
He would not be happy with you going with flock.

1864
02:39:34,740 --> 02:39:42,340
Also our city mayor, Guestner, pork lesson, had a lack of tear gas, police dogs and helicopters.

1865
02:40:00,050 --> 02:40:12,590
That were all part of the force of safety. Again, not for harm or danger and real loss, but for safety. Finally, there are words I'd like to share in my last minute.

1866
02:40:15,870 --> 02:40:21,490
I lost my sister six weeks ago to cancer and she was a lawyer as well.

1867
02:40:21,490 --> 02:40:24,930
And my parents taught me to stand up for justice.

1868
02:40:26,030 --> 02:40:29,530
They taught me the words of Micah in the Bible 6.8,

1869
02:40:30,490 --> 02:40:35,310
to walk humbly, to act justly, and to love mercy.

1870
02:40:35,950 --> 02:40:38,150
That's the city of Berkeley that I am proud of,

1871
02:40:38,230 --> 02:40:40,890
and hope that you will sustain by your proper vote tonight.

1872
02:40:41,430 --> 02:40:43,690
No one flock, please, dear God, please.

1873
02:40:48,290 --> 02:40:48,870
Thanks, Ronnie.

1874
02:40:50,430 --> 02:40:51,370
I'm getting another minute.

1875
02:40:53,810 --> 02:40:54,750
Okay, sorry.

1876
02:40:54,890 --> 02:40:55,770
I have 34 seconds.

1877
02:40:56,590 --> 02:40:58,030
Oh, I don't.

1878
02:40:58,030 --> 02:40:59,910
Here on the clock, she's saw 30 seconds.

1879
02:40:59,910 --> 02:41:02,050
I don't think you can give your.

1880
02:41:03,390 --> 02:41:04,430
Are you were finished, right?

1881
02:41:04,570 --> 02:41:04,790
Money.

1882
02:41:05,350 --> 02:41:06,090
I guess I've finished.

1883
02:41:06,130 --> 02:41:06,730
Yeah, okay.

1884
02:41:06,750 --> 02:41:07,270
Thank you.

1885
02:41:11,010 --> 02:41:12,190
Okay, next person, please.

1886
02:41:12,830 --> 02:41:13,590
Thank you.

1887
02:41:19,940 --> 02:41:25,160
My name is Sochi Sanchez and I must date white organizing manager with the California immigrant policy center.

1888
02:41:25,580 --> 02:41:27,560
Here in solidarity with the people of Berkeley.

1889
02:41:28,500 --> 02:41:29,880
I come from Los Angeles County.

1890
02:41:29,880 --> 02:41:35,280
For more than 11 months, the federal government has unconstitutionally in illegally rated

1891
02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:41,720
work sites, school graduations, day labor centers, churches, and community gatherings

1892
02:41:41,720 --> 02:41:43,180
to target street vendors.

1893
02:41:44,100 --> 02:41:50,000
From LA, Long Beach, Ontario, and the Twin Cities of Minnesota, ICE, not only separates

1894
02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:55,100
families, they shoot to kill and have executed U.S. citizens with impunity.

1895
02:41:55,100 --> 02:42:01,860
do not use fraud to expand surveillance. As we have seen with the sharing of IRS information

1896
02:42:01,860 --> 02:42:07,740
to target item holders and now the data sharing by the California D&B, the federal government

1897
02:42:07,740 --> 02:42:15,140
will abuse this information and use it to terrorize you. You directly, your neighbors,

1898
02:42:15,740 --> 02:42:22,760
observers, protesters, people of color and the working poor. This city council must not

1899
02:42:22,760 --> 02:42:26,480
invest in weaponized technology to criminalize the people of Berkeley. Thanks.

1900
02:42:30,690 --> 02:42:34,650
Okay, folks. I know there's a lot of talking going on. Please.

1901
02:42:37,360 --> 02:42:45,660
Hi, my name is Micah. I live in district six and I am a public school therapist and social worker.

1902
02:42:45,660 --> 02:42:52,200
And when I get to work and I meet with kids and families, it's obvious who I serve.

1903
02:42:52,760 --> 02:43:00,380
When Frog exploits Filipino workers, I meet with billionaire and magazine homens, is obvious who they serve.

1904
02:43:01,180 --> 02:43:05,620
Y'all are elected public servants, so it should be obvious who y'all serve.

1905
02:43:06,940 --> 02:43:07,760
But it's not.

1906
02:43:08,860 --> 02:43:13,160
So once again, you have a room full of constituents, beautiful constituents.

1907
02:43:18,780 --> 02:43:26,880
I can't believe I have to bite my nails one thing if our sanctuary city of Berkeley is going to listen to us.

1908
02:43:27,360 --> 02:43:34,900
Or to listen to mega fascist funders. Who considers extremists and terrorists too?

1909
02:43:35,880 --> 02:43:38,300
Right now the deal does not make sense financially.

1910
02:43:39,140 --> 02:43:39,760
Thanks so much.

1911
02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:41,640
Please let us rest. Thank you.

1912
02:43:49,640 --> 02:43:55,660
Michael Lyon, I'm just listening to this conversation that's

1913
02:43:55,660 --> 02:44:00,880
going on about should this contract be accepted.

1914
02:44:04,420 --> 02:44:07,680
And all this stuff is going on about

1915
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:13,260
what the compensation should be if something should go wrong. And this is insane.

1916
02:44:15,680 --> 02:44:16,720
We're talking about

1917
02:44:16,720 --> 02:44:23,460
somebody's life, somebody's kids being, being sent out of the country. And for, for Mr.

1918
02:44:23,700 --> 02:44:34,260
flock here, this is just a cost of doing business. Every person who's kidnapped is maybe $200,

1919
02:44:34,980 --> 02:44:39,020
$200,000 out of their profits. It's nothing. It's a drop in the bucket.

1920
02:44:41,560 --> 02:44:42,140
Yeah, really,

1921
02:44:42,140 --> 02:44:44,060
book. So,

1922
02:44:47,380 --> 02:44:51,420
you know, someday we're going to be able to over throw

1923
02:44:51,420 --> 02:44:56,460
copying you and get ready. Thank you so much. Thank you.

1924
02:45:01,200 --> 02:45:26,620
I am here speaking separately on behalf of the Cal Berkeley Democrats. I would first like to recognize the community gathered here today. And remotely, a community upon which the discussions made today will either strengthen or fracture the ever precarious public trust in our institutions. By that, I mean the rapid expansion of a surveillance state.

1925
02:45:27,620 --> 02:45:32,300
Being weaponized in ways that threaten the very civil rights generations have fought to protect.

1926
02:45:33,780 --> 02:45:42,460
When Benjamin Franklin spoke of liberty over security, could he have imagined that our law-biting residents would be the primary targets of the Patriot Act?

1927
02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:46,760
And acts that has been in place longer than many of us in this room were live for.

1928
02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:50,440
A weapon that was used to discredit our Islamic community.

1929
02:45:50,440 --> 02:46:04,440
And now we are expected to sacrifice our community once more to flock and organization willing to see our people remove from a society we have poured our blood sweat and tears into all in a name of security and profit.

1930
02:46:05,560 --> 02:46:08,860
Where now do the winds blow council members.

1931
02:46:09,160 --> 02:46:14,690
By advocating for flock you have shown your distrust for the residents and the faces you see here today.

1932
02:46:15,790 --> 02:46:21,050
You are forcing our immigrant community into hiding, but the greatest humiliation of all is

1933
02:46:21,050 --> 02:46:27,410
the fact that you have forsaken morality for security in the eyes of everyone present here

1934
02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:33,330
today. I call on you to rescind your supporter flock. If not for the people standing here today,

1935
02:46:34,910 --> 02:46:39,370
then do it for the future generations that may never get to enjoy the freedom many of us take

1936
02:46:39,370 --> 02:46:45,910
granted here today. The question before you is not what keeps us safe today, but what kind of society we

1937
02:46:45,910 --> 02:46:51,610
leave behind tomorrow? Because I didn't serve my country as an emancipated 17 year-old for surveillance.

1938
02:46:52,130 --> 02:46:53,050
I did it for them.

1939
02:46:55,470 --> 02:46:59,210
The residents of Berkeley here today stand for our immigrants. We stand for

1940
02:46:59,210 --> 02:47:04,630
our vulnerable, and we stand proud because we stand strongest together. We'll be remembered here

1941
02:47:04,630 --> 02:47:10,110
today for refusing to yield to fear, for refusing to divide our community, and refusing to sacrifice

1942
02:47:10,110 --> 02:47:14,750
our freedom. The question is whether you will have the backbone to do the same.

1943
02:47:32,180 --> 02:47:36,300
My name is Clara. I'm student and a resident of District 7 and I urge you all to terminate

1944
02:47:36,300 --> 02:47:40,640
Berkeley's contract with Flock. We've heard a lot tonight about how Flock doesn't have any

1945
02:47:40,640 --> 02:47:46,360
direct contracts with ISR CVP as if that's supposed to reassure us. As if the fact that you're

1946
02:47:46,360 --> 02:47:52,620
leading the industry is supposed to impress us. Even without direct contracts to ISR CVP, these

1947
02:47:52,620 --> 02:47:56,400
agencies still have been able to obtain flock camera footage through backdoor methods.

1948
02:47:57,080 --> 02:48:00,640
Even if we are to believe the promises that the flock representative has made tonight,

1949
02:48:00,760 --> 02:48:05,340
which I do not, and I don't think any of us here do, how can flock ensure that their data

1950
02:48:05,340 --> 02:48:08,820
is not accessed by federal agencies without their knowledge or their permission?

1951
02:48:09,620 --> 02:48:14,120
We've heard a lot about how flock does not utilize facial recognition technology, as if that

1952
02:48:14,120 --> 02:48:15,700
is supposed to reassure us.

1953
02:48:16,120 --> 02:48:19,800
Even if we believe that this technology can only track people based on their clothing,

1954
02:48:19,800 --> 02:48:22,940
which I do not, and I don't think any of us do.

1955
02:48:23,360 --> 02:48:27,100
How are we to be certain that facial recognition technology will not be implemented in the future?

1956
02:48:27,420 --> 02:48:31,640
That we won't all be back here in a few months or a few years, fighting extensions to the contract.

1957
02:48:32,020 --> 02:48:34,300
The only option is to terminate the contract completely.

1958
02:48:34,580 --> 02:48:35,240
Thanks so much.

1959
02:48:42,830 --> 02:48:44,890
Heather, I think I have one more minute from the crowd.

1960
02:48:45,410 --> 02:48:45,990
Thank you.

1961
02:48:46,510 --> 02:48:49,950
I've also taken, I've heard some technical difficulties are happening on Zoom.

1962
02:48:50,450 --> 02:48:52,050
So I don't know if someone can take a look at that.

1963
02:48:52,090 --> 02:48:54,190
People are getting kicked out and have trouble rejoining.

1964
02:48:54,870 --> 02:48:56,730
So I guess I'll go ahead and start.

1965
02:48:57,050 --> 02:48:57,390
Thank you.

1966
02:49:00,150 --> 02:49:00,870
Good evening, Council.

1967
02:49:01,050 --> 02:49:04,490
My name is Jason Martens, and at 330 today,

1968
02:49:04,630 --> 02:49:08,070
I had to take my daughter to the ER, but thankfully they're fine,

1969
02:49:08,270 --> 02:49:11,950
but I'm here anyway, because that's how important this issue is.

1970
02:49:14,230 --> 02:49:16,630
I've been canvassing for months now in Berkeley.

1971
02:49:16,710 --> 02:49:20,890
I think I've easily talked to 400 Berkeley citizens about this issue.

1972
02:49:21,610 --> 02:49:29,290
And what is clear from my experience and I think corroborated in this room is that this issue is massively unpopular.

1973
02:49:30,490 --> 02:49:34,590
Many people I talked to first express surprise that we are doing this in Berkeley.

1974
02:49:35,650 --> 02:49:40,270
Then they are expressed shock that a majority of the council is supporting it.

1975
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:07,500
We all dreamed it was. To the council, I would like to know why you are supporting a proposal with overwhelming

1976
02:50:07,500 --> 02:50:15,000
opposition. What's in it for you? I would like to also like to know what motivates you to go against what is

1977
02:50:15,000 --> 02:50:24,120
clearly the desire of your constituents. So I'm here for a third time to ask you to vote no. And if you

1978
02:50:24,120 --> 02:50:28,720
Well, yes, I want you to know that we will be holding you until the contract is cancelled.

1979
02:50:30,660 --> 02:50:31,700
Thank you.

1980
02:50:31,760 --> 02:50:33,040
Thank you.

1981
02:50:37,740 --> 02:50:37,940
Hello.

1982
02:50:38,480 --> 02:50:39,940
I have two extra minutes.

1983
02:50:42,840 --> 02:50:44,060
Sorry, I saw one here.

1984
02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:45,060
Oh,

1985
02:50:47,460 --> 02:50:49,200
I can't.

1986
02:50:49,460 --> 02:50:49,660
Okay.

1987
02:50:50,160 --> 02:50:50,640
Thank you.

1988
02:50:50,920 --> 02:50:51,580
Okay, great.

1989
02:50:55,640 --> 02:50:56,580
My name is Joseph Olman.

1990
02:50:56,780 --> 02:50:57,780
I live here in Berkeley.

1991
02:50:58,320 --> 02:51:01,680
And I'm an animal cruelty investigator with an animal rights network.

1992
02:51:02,200 --> 02:51:04,580
Nonviolent called direct action everywhere.

1993
02:51:04,580 --> 02:51:16,910
I'm here tonight because I'm one of the people who flock has already been used against twice by law enforcement and this is in direct connection with my activism.

1994
02:51:18,190 --> 02:51:26,470
According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, released records documented two separate instances of law enforcement querying the flock network to surveillance.

1995
02:51:26,470 --> 02:51:34,050
name, both tied to my work exposing animal cruelty, not for violent crime, not for a public

1996
02:51:34,050 --> 02:51:40,530
safety threat for activism. I currently face two years, I'm

1997
02:51:40,530 --> 02:51:46,190
correction, two felony charges, and six and a half years, in prison, for rescuing sick,

1998
02:51:46,530 --> 02:51:53,330
amaciated baby goats from a mineberg supplier, a supplier to Whole Foods, and they use the

1999
02:51:53,330 --> 02:51:58,530
certified humane label. The goats that I'm charged with felonies for rescuing

2000
02:51:58,530 --> 02:52:05,230
were dying. Necrofts confirmed coxidiosis, severe respiratory infection, and

2001
02:52:05,230 --> 02:52:10,250
starvation at this facility here in California. Other goats from that same facility

2002
02:52:10,250 --> 02:52:16,390
were dumped by the dozens in a mass grave. This is what investigators like me

2003
02:52:16,390 --> 02:52:21,630
try to expose, and that is the kind of work that flock is being used to track.

2004
02:52:23,450 --> 02:52:29,550
The EFS investigation this past year documented that my own organization direct action everywhere

2005
02:52:29,550 --> 02:52:34,410
has been targeted across Flock Network, including nine queries by the Delaware State Police

2006
02:52:34,410 --> 02:52:36,430
in a single month last year.

2007
02:52:36,910 --> 02:52:41,630
I was charged in Delaware, in connection with that last year, and I was exposed for those charges

2008
02:52:41,630 --> 02:52:42,730
in Delaware last year.

2009
02:52:44,070 --> 02:52:48,620
The same investigation by the EFS found agencies running Flock searches, tied to

2010
02:52:48,620 --> 02:52:50,780
with no king's protests to abortion seekers

2011
02:52:50,780 --> 02:52:53,460
and using racial slurs against Romani people.

2012
02:52:54,020 --> 02:52:56,340
This is the system Berkeley is being asked to renew.

2013
02:52:57,720 --> 02:53:00,520
This op-ed, the op-ed from four council members

2014
02:53:00,520 --> 02:53:02,320
says flock is just another piece

2015
02:53:02,320 --> 02:53:04,120
of an existing surveillance landscape

2016
02:53:04,580 --> 02:53:06,260
so they're refusing to change his little.

2017
02:53:07,860 --> 02:53:10,440
With respect, that is the same exact argument

2018
02:53:10,440 --> 02:53:12,300
that's been used for the past 20 years

2019
02:53:12,300 --> 02:53:13,700
for surveillance systems.

2020
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:17,400
You're being asked tonight to a new contract

2021
02:53:17,400 --> 02:53:22,480
that has already been used to surveil a Berkeley resident for exposing corporate cruelty.

2022
02:53:23,200 --> 02:53:27,320
I am that resident. I'm asking you directly, reject flock.

2023
02:53:31,410 --> 02:53:32,310
Thank you. Thank you.

2024
02:53:34,230 --> 02:53:35,550
Come on up, my my Anna.

2025
02:53:39,830 --> 02:53:48,610
Are you taking both? Yeah. Okay, one here. I don't use and then this

2026
02:53:48,610 --> 02:53:55,410
person in the back. Okay. Thank you. Greetings council. My name is Ayanna Davis. I am currently

2027
02:53:55,410 --> 02:54:03,630
the vice president of the newly formed nonprofit equity for Black Berkeley, former executive

2028
02:54:04,130 --> 02:54:18,130
director for Healthy Black Families. While at Healthy Black Families with the mayor,

2029
02:54:18,130 --> 02:54:19,550
black Berkeley initiative.

2030
02:54:21,570 --> 02:54:26,210
And as part of that initiative over two years, we did 12 people's

2031
02:54:26,210 --> 02:54:36,690
assemblies all over the city. We had 16 weeks of advocacy training. We did three community

2032
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:08,380
I came in contact with thousands of Berkeley residents. I am a mother who lost their son to violence. They knew

2033
02:55:08,380 --> 02:55:16,560
who killed my son, even when they closed his call case, they told me they knew. Alex Goodwin,

2034
02:55:17,020 --> 02:55:25,880
my co-worker, Kamika Patterson Smith, her son was killed. The whole community knew who killed

2035
02:55:25,880 --> 02:55:30,340
it's fun. None of the murderers of our sons have been prosecuted.

2036
02:55:32,440 --> 02:55:40,780
All right, you know, but my point being in the course of my experience, and in the course

2037
02:55:40,780 --> 02:55:47,880
of our people's assembly and the data that we have that we share with the city, at no point

2038
02:55:47,880 --> 02:55:51,980
was mass surveillance, a priority for the people.

2039
02:55:53,080 --> 02:55:59,840
At no point, do we believe mass surveillance has lowered crime in Berkeley?

2040
02:55:59,900 --> 02:56:02,960
It is our work that has lowered crime.

2041
02:56:03,660 --> 02:56:09,660
It is our coming together with our neighbors and our community that has lowered time.

2042
02:56:10,220 --> 02:56:11,440
It is education.

2043
02:56:12,580 --> 02:56:13,620
It is outreach.

2044
02:56:14,080 --> 02:56:21,960
It is shared love and understanding that it is the work of the people that create

2045
02:56:21,960 --> 02:56:28,940
community and a place where our children can live and grow and thrive. Now I've lived in

2046
02:56:28,940 --> 02:56:34,800
the same house on the same street for the past 45 years. My family has been here since the late

2047
02:56:35,620 --> 02:56:42,940
1880s built historical homes that are still standing. I'm a Berkeley person and I will tell you

2048
02:56:42,940 --> 02:56:54,820
I have seen what has created crime and it is poverty, it is the red lining, it is the displacement,

2049
02:56:56,040 --> 02:56:58,380
it is the unhoused community.

2050
02:56:59,160 --> 02:57:05,500
If we're spending money on anything, it should be affordable, not just affordable housing,

2051
02:57:05,720 --> 02:57:08,940
people can live afford to live in.

2052
02:57:12,530 --> 02:57:14,550
We all need to put your phones down.

2053
02:57:14,750 --> 02:57:15,830
I just want to say that.

2054
02:57:16,230 --> 02:57:17,310
Pay attention to the people.

2055
02:57:17,510 --> 02:57:20,030
We don't have much time for our voice.

2056
02:57:20,330 --> 02:57:21,510
Listen, please.

2057
02:57:22,050 --> 02:57:22,910
Who's backfully?

2058
02:57:24,990 --> 02:57:27,730
So I say this to you.

2059
02:57:27,790 --> 02:57:31,610
We're coming together and creating a workforce development coalition

2060
02:57:31,610 --> 02:57:35,270
and a collaborative as we build the Adline Quarter.

2061
02:57:35,770 --> 02:57:39,850
We know you plan on turning San Pablo Avenue into

2062
02:57:39,850 --> 02:57:43,530
what's I hear little man hadn't,

2063
02:57:43,650 --> 02:57:45,210
who's gonna do that work?

2064
02:57:45,730 --> 02:57:47,850
We have to get people trained and ready.

2065
02:57:48,370 --> 02:57:50,770
You need to be a council with vision

2066
02:57:50,770 --> 02:57:55,050
and create a community that has employment

2067
02:57:55,050 --> 02:57:56,090
for the people.

2068
02:57:56,290 --> 02:57:57,270
Good jobs.

2069
02:57:57,830 --> 02:58:00,650
Invest in that, invest in workforce development.

2070
02:58:01,410 --> 02:58:04,010
Invest into the Black Arts and Cultural District

2071
02:58:04,010 --> 02:58:05,750
and to a hard for our youth,

2072
02:58:05,890 --> 02:58:07,110
so they can sell to your.

2073
02:58:07,270 --> 02:58:07,730
Thank you.

2074
02:58:07,790 --> 02:58:08,190
Thanks for my help.

2075
02:58:08,190 --> 02:58:08,930
I love y'all.

2076
02:58:09,650 --> 02:58:10,730
Thank you.

2077
02:58:10,810 --> 02:58:11,650
Raise your head.

2078
02:58:12,070 --> 02:58:13,690
Mommy on this drop.

2079
02:58:14,170 --> 02:58:14,350
Mommy on.

2080
02:58:14,550 --> 02:58:15,970
Thank you.

2081
02:58:25,040 --> 02:58:26,020
I believe a few people did in the game.

2082
02:58:26,020 --> 02:58:26,380
Oh, wait.

2083
02:58:26,560 --> 02:58:26,800
Sorry.

2084
02:58:28,600 --> 02:58:28,760
OK.

2085
02:58:29,260 --> 02:58:30,220
You've never been at for him.

2086
02:58:30,760 --> 02:58:31,980
So two minutes.

2087
02:58:34,360 --> 02:58:34,760
Three.

2088
02:58:35,280 --> 02:58:35,820
Oh, wait.

2089
02:58:35,820 --> 02:58:36,040
Hold on.

2090
02:58:36,040 --> 02:58:37,660
I can't see that person who's sitting there.

2091
02:58:37,920 --> 02:58:38,000
OK.

2092
02:58:38,160 --> 02:58:38,760
Thank you.

2093
02:58:39,040 --> 02:58:39,440
OK, guy.

2094
02:58:48,730 --> 02:58:49,450
Hey, you're a foretotal.

2095
02:58:59,760 --> 02:59:02,340
I would expect better from the city

2096
02:59:02,340 --> 02:59:04,800
that has these flags behind them.

2097
02:59:05,020 --> 02:59:06,440
I would expect better.

2098
02:59:06,440 --> 02:59:15,040
from the city that is this diverse, that is this noted for their civil rights work.

2099
02:59:16,990 --> 02:59:21,170
Frock is a known collaborator with the Trump administration.

2100
02:59:22,550 --> 02:59:25,990
They are a known collaborator with the H.S.

2101
02:59:26,390 --> 02:59:37,350
In fact, the H.S. has a law in place that bars Frock from actually having them show up

2102
02:59:37,350 --> 02:59:43,350
any sort of audit. People have mentioned it before. And can you remind me, what was that county,

2103
02:59:43,570 --> 02:59:46,330
or was that city that actively violates that rule?

2104
02:59:48,650 --> 02:59:51,090
A couple, I can't even figure out which,

2105
02:59:51,410 --> 02:59:57,590
because it's that notable. None of these counties, none of these cities are paying attention.

2106
03:00:00,110 --> 03:00:08,750
We do not need this needless violence brought into the Bay Area. I'm from San Jose. We fail to stop our

2107
03:00:08,750 --> 03:00:15,850
flock contract because Mayor Matt at Mayhand is bought and paid for by them. Don't make the same mistake

2108
03:00:15,850 --> 03:00:25,330
as that man. You have the chance right now to make a better world for your community, to be an example

2109
03:00:25,330 --> 03:00:31,530
to the rest of the world. Berkeley has always been an example from the civil rights perspective

2110
03:00:31,530 --> 03:00:36,710
in my opinion. Hey, put down your phone, buddy. I'm not done talking.

2111
03:00:40,320 --> 03:00:42,580
This is the moment

2112
03:00:42,580 --> 03:00:52,360
where you decide whether or not you are complicit in the hunt of vulnerable people. This is

2113
03:00:52,360 --> 03:00:58,520
moment where you decide whether or not you wish to allow

2114
03:00:58,520 --> 03:01:03,460
trans folks to be hunted, whether you allow

2115
03:01:03,460 --> 03:01:07,840
day laborers to be stalked, whether you allow

2116
03:01:08,360 --> 03:01:10,340
mothers to be killed.

2117
03:01:12,420 --> 03:01:14,680
I hope to pray to God that you

2118
03:01:14,680 --> 03:01:18,800
make the right decision here today because your decision

2119
03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:22,340
has an impact on the rest of the Bay area. Your decision

2120
03:01:22,340 --> 03:01:30,760
vision is not in a bubble here. All of these individuals have been pleading you and begging

2121
03:01:30,760 --> 03:01:37,900
you to make the right decision, the clear decision, which is, don't even bother with a contract

2122
03:01:37,900 --> 03:01:41,740
with flock. Send that man packing with nothing.

2123
03:01:43,860 --> 03:01:47,320
Because he deserves nothing from you.

2124
03:01:53,740 --> 03:01:54,120
He deserves

2125
03:01:54,120 --> 03:01:58,380
and take and take until nothing is left.

2126
03:01:58,960 --> 03:02:02,760
You will not see a dime of that money if something goes wrong

2127
03:02:02,760 --> 03:02:05,280
because they will fight it in litigation.

2128
03:02:06,600 --> 03:02:09,500
You will not see a dime of sympathy

2129
03:02:09,500 --> 03:02:12,180
from the federal government when it happens

2130
03:02:12,180 --> 03:02:13,780
and it will happen.

2131
03:02:15,610 --> 03:02:18,410
Do not be a coward and a traitor to your people

2132
03:02:18,410 --> 03:02:21,830
who are looking to you to be their voice.

2133
03:02:23,750 --> 03:02:30,750
You have the chance to make the right choice here, and in case it wasn't clear, you keep that.

2134
03:02:32,590 --> 03:02:32,770
Thank you.

2135
03:02:34,590 --> 03:02:35,410
Thank you.

2136
03:02:35,410 --> 03:02:36,990
Thank you.

2137
03:02:45,220 --> 03:02:46,580
Hi, again.

2138
03:02:47,320 --> 03:02:48,100
I'm David Allen.

2139
03:02:48,440 --> 03:02:49,040
A Berkeley resident.

2140
03:02:49,800 --> 03:02:55,020
This massive surveillance expansion is far past the point where quantitative becomes qualitative.

2141
03:02:55,720 --> 03:03:01,040
The hardware may already be used in Berkeley, but it builds a network that has the ability

2142
03:03:01,040 --> 03:03:03,920
to track a person from their work, to their appointments,

2143
03:03:04,400 --> 03:03:05,840
to their family, and their home.

2144
03:03:06,960 --> 03:03:10,320
That's facilitated by their patent pending individual recognition.

2145
03:03:11,000 --> 03:03:12,560
They're attempted digitally fingerprint

2146
03:03:12,560 --> 03:03:15,560
each of us without using the word's facial recognition.

2147
03:03:16,320 --> 03:03:19,260
There are many factors that the individual recognition

2148
03:03:19,260 --> 03:03:22,540
machine learning uses that similar left out.

2149
03:03:23,340 --> 03:03:25,780
It uses race, it uses body characteristics.

2150
03:03:26,660 --> 03:03:27,920
It uses walking aid.

2151
03:03:27,920 --> 03:03:30,920
I have that pattern in my hand.

2152
03:03:32,140 --> 03:03:33,920
It is software, not hardware.

2153
03:03:35,500 --> 03:03:40,460
And tonight, the Berkeley BD said that they would use that capability if it was available.

2154
03:03:41,560 --> 03:03:42,940
Flock pushes every boundary.

2155
03:03:43,540 --> 03:03:48,160
It took four or four media doing an expose for Flock to back off.

2156
03:03:48,300 --> 03:03:49,640
Thank you.

2157
03:03:53,690 --> 03:03:56,710
I had an additional minute from Skip.

2158
03:03:57,190 --> 03:03:58,410
It's supposed to be in the room.

2159
03:03:58,410 --> 03:04:01,690
I'm going to go switch, okay, okay, thank you, thank you.

2160
03:04:01,850 --> 03:04:07,550
Okay, flocc saying that they will not date a share with ICE or border patrol as a red

2161
03:04:07,550 --> 03:04:13,110
hearing, because under this current federal administration, everything is upside down.

2162
03:04:13,430 --> 03:04:20,590
No federal agency at this point can be trusted to not engage in abuse of power.

2163
03:04:20,590 --> 03:04:31,030
Office of Civil Rights created to protect civil rights of persons are now entrusted with

2164
03:04:31,030 --> 03:04:36,270
actually investigating transgender treatment and immigration.

2165
03:04:37,170 --> 03:04:39,310
That's what they're doing at the Office of Civil Rights.

2166
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:08,100
Including for women that are in the country under the Violence Against Women's Act, because they're immigrants.

2167
03:05:09,860 --> 03:05:22,860
A 295,000, or 295,000 dollar fine. It may sound overwhelming to us in the room, but it's nothing to a billionaire investor. It's a drop in the bucket.

2168
03:05:22,860 --> 03:05:27,920
You follow the investors, you follow the gentleman interest.

2169
03:05:29,420 --> 03:05:41,360
So, you heard recently a report from the city auditor on non-competitive contracts and there seemed to be a commitment that going forward all contracts we're going to be competitive.

2170
03:05:41,900 --> 03:05:43,420
So, what's the difference here?

2171
03:05:44,260 --> 03:05:46,380
Why is there no non-competitive content?

2172
03:05:46,440 --> 03:05:48,040
Why is there not competition here?

2173
03:05:48,200 --> 03:05:52,240
Why is everything directed towards Flock at their word?

2174
03:05:52,240 --> 03:06:04,620
And it's the same as declaring that we're sanctuary city and then engaging with flock who has violated the rights.

2175
03:06:05,940 --> 03:06:07,900
And we can't be both.

2176
03:06:08,160 --> 03:06:08,820
It's inconsistent.

2177
03:06:10,080 --> 03:06:10,720
Thank you.

2178
03:06:10,960 --> 03:06:11,520
Thanks, Carol.

2179
03:06:16,520 --> 03:06:16,660
Hi.

2180
03:06:16,820 --> 03:06:19,920
I just had something I wanted to point out, which is that earlier this meeting.

2181
03:06:20,240 --> 03:06:25,700
I heard Jen Lewis refer to a term we weren't sure about when referencing the flock database.

2182
03:06:25,700 --> 03:06:34,640
And I assume that Jen Lewis is referring to the time when Brookley's flock data was searched with the terms ice and CVP because that did happen.

2183
03:06:35,360 --> 03:06:41,900
If this is what she's talking about, I think that that's an appalling way to downplay the severity of those search terms.

2184
03:06:41,900 --> 03:06:50,560
The BD can say that they've prevented this kind of search from happening again by turning off the statewide look-up feature on the database so that other agencies can access the data.

2185
03:06:51,040 --> 03:06:58,620
But last meeting, Jen Lewis said herself that SFPD and OPD and other counties and police departments would also have access to this data.

2186
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:02,680
Any police officer from any of those counties could access and share a bookly data.

2187
03:07:03,040 --> 03:07:09,200
You can say that you own the data, but you have not addressed that the other police departments have access to it and you don't control them.

2188
03:07:09,200 --> 03:07:19,440
Floxy to base already searched that with the terms ICE and CBP. I don't know why we're speaking about federal access. I was a hypothetical. It's not hypothetical. It's already happens. Thank you.

2189
03:07:25,950 --> 03:07:28,010
No unblock reject the contract.

2190
03:07:28,150 --> 03:07:37,570
I want to speak to a Spineless and absurd op-ed that we saw come out this week. That was full of disingenuous arguments and outright lies.

2191
03:07:37,570 --> 03:07:45,650
There are some lines you should still be afraid to cross, and this is one being a foot

2192
03:07:45,650 --> 03:07:52,490
soldier of fascism is one. And if you don't care about us, which we are seeing from this

2193
03:07:52,490 --> 03:07:58,370
op-ed, is your case, you should care about the litigation that is coming your way because

2194
03:07:58,370 --> 03:08:05,470
it is coming and it is going to be brutal. When legislators fail us, it is up to litigation to

2195
03:08:05,470 --> 03:08:13,730
us and that fact is so sad and it is absurd and appalling that you could even think of bringing

2196
03:08:13,730 --> 03:08:21,470
us to that case, reject the contract, no one flock, listen to everybody here tonight, listen

2197
03:08:21,470 --> 03:08:23,390
to them. Listen to them.

2198
03:08:25,770 --> 03:08:26,750
Thank you.

2199
03:08:33,780 --> 03:08:38,160
My name is Sophia. I'm a resident of District 3. The job of any

2200
03:08:38,160 --> 03:08:43,660
place that calls itself a sanctuary city is to gum up the gears of fascism and authoritarianism

2201
03:08:43,660 --> 03:08:49,540
however we can. Why in the world would you choose instead to serve up weapons on a silver

2202
03:08:49,540 --> 03:08:54,040
platter that will be used and have already been used against not only the most vulnerable

2203
03:08:54,040 --> 03:08:58,980
and overpolice among us, but also against anyone who dares speak out against the government?

2204
03:08:59,800 --> 03:09:04,860
The only way Berkeley can prevent sharing data with ICE or with the feds is to not generate

2205
03:09:04,860 --> 03:09:10,140
and not hold that data in the first place. And certainly not to store it with flock.

2206
03:09:11,360 --> 03:09:17,640
stand with your people, reject, flock, and don't do the fascists job for them.

2207
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:18,940
Thank you.

2208
03:09:22,510 --> 03:09:24,490
Two minutes.

2209
03:09:25,910 --> 03:09:26,770
Oh, sorry.

2210
03:09:26,990 --> 03:09:27,550
Hold on.

2211
03:09:27,610 --> 03:09:28,750
I need two people to raise their hand.

2212
03:09:29,030 --> 03:09:29,470
Okay, one.

2213
03:09:30,650 --> 03:09:33,150
And then this person in the back corner can you stand.

2214
03:09:33,230 --> 03:09:34,910
So I can just, oh, thank you.

2215
03:09:38,820 --> 03:09:39,100
Go.

2216
03:09:40,160 --> 03:09:43,460
It looks as if the headlines tomorrow may sadly read,

2217
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:08,600
To deficit. Crime is down. The police chief understandably wants the latest bells and whistles, but the

2218
03:10:08,600 --> 03:10:15,780
Berkeley City Council is supposed to be the adult in the room. Other methods of fighting crime are

2219
03:10:15,780 --> 03:10:22,880
better proven less expensive, keep the money in our community and help locals. The police, again,

2220
03:10:23,100 --> 03:10:29,760
don't need every new bell and whistle. These cameras put the city at risk of liability, up to 60

2221
03:10:29,760 --> 03:10:34,920
million dollars according to the city attorney federal legislation could force us to take

2222
03:10:34,920 --> 03:10:39,480
the cameras down because of the deficit we might lose a fire station.

2223
03:10:40,100 --> 03:10:42,780
Crisis mental health services might be on the block.

2224
03:10:43,160 --> 03:10:46,460
Your constituents want fire stations not cameras.

2225
03:10:48,260 --> 03:10:52,760
We don't need to throw away two million dollars in risk multi-million dollar lawsuits

2226
03:10:53,380 --> 03:10:56,720
for new bells and whistles when crime is down.

2227
03:10:56,780 --> 03:10:58,100
Don't waste our money.

2228
03:10:59,350 --> 03:11:06,490
As the former chair of the Berkley Police Accountability Board stated, council members O'Keef

2229
03:11:06,490 --> 03:11:12,370
Humbert, Kesawani and Taplan and their published op-ed piece seem to have knowingly misrepresented

2230
03:11:12,370 --> 03:11:13,690
some things.

2231
03:11:14,430 --> 03:11:19,550
They didn't mention that the police accountability board strongly advised against this contract.

2232
03:11:19,830 --> 03:11:24,830
They didn't mention that the liability risks that they're aware of.

2233
03:11:24,830 --> 03:11:32,670
They do acknowledge that Frog has altered data sharing without permission, but imply that there's something we can do to manage that risk, which isn't the case.

2234
03:11:33,290 --> 03:11:38,510
They make false comparisons with our tracking devices on our phones, which we can control.

2235
03:11:40,350 --> 03:11:44,930
They imply that Crimes were solved, which would not have been solved without Frog.

2236
03:11:45,510 --> 03:11:50,490
Even though there's no way to prove that in a complex with the University of California Law Center analysis,

2237
03:11:50,490 --> 03:11:53,690
They don't mention that crime is markedly down already.

2238
03:11:54,190 --> 03:11:59,610
They don't mention the budget deficit that this purchase would exasperate, but black

2239
03:11:59,610 --> 03:12:05,230
of being as recent email to constituents makes similar misrepresentations and omissions.

2240
03:12:06,210 --> 03:12:11,350
Public officials who mislead their constituents should consider whether this position of trust

2241
03:12:11,350 --> 03:12:12,890
is really the right place.

2242
03:12:14,250 --> 03:12:19,610
The police accountability board says that the contract process broke city procedural rules

2243
03:12:19,610 --> 03:12:24,670
that should be enough to vote no. The police accountability board advises in general against

2244
03:12:24,670 --> 03:12:30,050
a flock contract that should be enough to vote no. The city attorney tells us that the contract

2245
03:12:30,050 --> 03:12:36,490
puts us at risk of a $60 million lawsuit. I ability that should be enough to vote no. The city

2246
03:12:36,490 --> 03:12:41,170
council members who plan to vote yes, admit this company has already shared data without permission.

2247
03:12:41,690 --> 03:12:46,570
That should be enough to vote no. The majority of citizens would have given feedback to not want

2248
03:12:46,570 --> 03:12:52,590
contract. That should be enough to vote no. There is a budget deficit and other things are

2249
03:12:52,590 --> 03:12:55,670
more important to have you enough to vote. Thank you so much.

2250
03:13:05,100 --> 03:13:09,880
These are not licensed play readers. One of them, sure. That's a licensed play reader.

2251
03:13:10,400 --> 03:13:15,940
A network of them that surrounds us and tracks our every movement puts it in a database can be

2252
03:13:17,440 --> 03:13:24,960
that's a pattern of life-logger detector. It's just wrong. And then okay, if it's just the city of

2253
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:32,100
Berkeley doing this, just for, you know, solving 50 more crimes in a year. Okay, I'm still pissed off about it,

2254
03:13:32,480 --> 03:13:41,120
but it's way worse than that. I want you to ask Mr. Flock over there, again, pointedly. If the federal government asks for

2255
03:13:41,120 --> 03:13:48,360
or police citizens data with a gag order where you give it to them, where we know, because

2256
03:13:48,360 --> 03:13:53,860
the answer is yes, they will give it to them. No, we will never know. That means we are just

2257
03:13:53,860 --> 03:14:00,220
serving ourselves up on a silver platter to fascism. Don't do this. History will not look

2258
03:14:00,220 --> 03:14:06,900
kindly on this moment. Anyone who votes yes will be shamed. Please do not vote yes. Thank you.

2259
03:14:15,040 --> 03:14:19,420
My name is Jacob. I'm on the disaster and fire safety commission, but I'm just here as an individual today.

2260
03:14:20,820 --> 03:14:28,680
In addition to what everyone else said, which I 100% agree with, one thing that I wanted to talk about is the risk of data leaking to a third party.

2261
03:14:29,140 --> 03:14:34,580
I think all of those have credit card numbers or phone numbers that are kind of out there on the internet and we can never take them back.

2262
03:14:35,460 --> 03:14:42,920
But imagine if that's where you're most likely to be at 530 on any given day or where your kids go to school.

2263
03:14:42,920 --> 03:14:52,280
Once this information is made, it can't be unmade and there's no amount of monetary compensation that can take that back.

2264
03:14:53,080 --> 03:14:57,860
And so this is something that once we take this step, it's crossing a rubicon.

2265
03:14:58,560 --> 03:14:59,560
We can't take it back.

2266
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:15,840
That district through resident and community organizer. The only thing that makes me feel safe in the city is my neighbors, other organizers who are working for affordable housing, who are working for better education, who are working for safer transit for everybody food security.

2267
03:15:16,520 --> 03:15:25,180
These people in this room who I've seen show up over and over to implore you guys to not contract with flock for all of the many, many, many reasons listed.

2268
03:15:26,020 --> 03:15:33,660
I've also been a victim of a violent crime in the East day and I have never once felt like surveillance technology would keep me safe.

2269
03:15:34,140 --> 03:15:39,080
What's kept me safe are the other people in my community on the streets looking out for each other.

2270
03:15:39,380 --> 03:15:43,140
Police don't keep us safe and surveillance certainly doesn't keep us safe.

2271
03:15:43,480 --> 03:15:46,700
So thank you to everyone I'll speak out because we keep each other safe.

2272
03:15:47,760 --> 03:15:48,620
Thank you.

2273
03:15:53,010 --> 03:15:54,330
I'm going to show you a minute please.

2274
03:15:56,110 --> 03:15:57,150
Thank you.

2275
03:15:57,150 --> 03:16:00,750
Sorry, can I I can't quite see who that person is. Oh, thank you. Good.

2276
03:16:02,870 --> 03:16:14,690
Hello, my name is Allison. I live in District 4 and I wanted to highlight one of the ways that flock data and technology has already been misused is currently being misused and that's in the

2277
03:16:14,690 --> 03:16:21,410
And the use of police, some of which are in our San Francisco police department, using license

2278
03:16:21,410 --> 03:16:26,850
plates, flocked license plate readers to stock and surveil romantic partners, their romantic

2279
03:16:26,850 --> 03:16:27,410
partners.

2280
03:16:28,970 --> 03:16:33,650
And if, you know, anything, if anyone knows anything about power and control surveillance on

2281
03:16:33,650 --> 03:16:39,090
an interpersonal level on a systemic level, surveillance is a classic tactic of power and

2282
03:16:39,090 --> 03:16:41,850
control, and power controls what constitutes abuse.

2283
03:16:41,850 --> 03:16:48,290
and so on both an interpersonal and structural level, expanding, state and police department

2284
03:16:48,290 --> 03:16:53,690
overreach to surveillance is enabling abuse on a systemic level.

2285
03:16:55,650 --> 03:17:01,970
I have worked in the domestic violence field, I have lived in, I have experienced domestic

2286
03:17:01,970 --> 03:17:06,490
violence, I have experienced domestic violence, surveillance by way of cameras and tracking

2287
03:17:06,490 --> 03:17:13,850
has always been a factor of controlling people and not causing safety. I do not feel safe

2288
03:17:14,350 --> 03:17:23,170
at the thought of police departments documented 38% of officers are documented to have domestic violence

2289
03:17:23,170 --> 03:17:31,090
cries and that's what's documented so that's a definite underrepresentation. I don't feel safe

2290
03:17:31,090 --> 03:17:33,610
putting more tools in their hands.

2291
03:17:34,490 --> 03:17:35,810
That's not my vision of safety.

2292
03:17:36,190 --> 03:17:39,010
Meanwhile, domestic violence and IPV services

2293
03:17:39,010 --> 03:17:41,970
in the Bay Area specifically are so drastically

2294
03:17:41,970 --> 03:17:45,770
underfunded, are currently at risk of being struck

2295
03:17:45,770 --> 03:17:46,350
way further.

2296
03:17:46,930 --> 03:17:49,550
And so please, I urge you to stop doing the work

2297
03:17:49,550 --> 03:17:52,970
of the Abuser, the state, the Abuser,

2298
03:17:54,310 --> 03:17:57,330
and actually invest in services that keep people safe

2299
03:17:57,330 --> 03:17:59,930
and don't traumatize survivors further.

2300
03:17:59,930 --> 03:18:03,970
The idea of being surveilled is traumatic for survivors.

2301
03:18:04,390 --> 03:18:04,630
Thank you.

2302
03:18:04,810 --> 03:18:05,910
Thank you.

2303
03:18:11,950 --> 03:18:12,750
I'm in D3.

2304
03:18:12,970 --> 03:18:14,090
Mr. Flawke could tell you that.

2305
03:18:14,190 --> 03:18:15,650
His cameras are outside my house.

2306
03:18:16,210 --> 03:18:22,330
There's a false equivalence being asserted that surveillance is safety, which is being strategically deployed tied the fact that the opposite is true.

2307
03:18:22,670 --> 03:18:24,010
Surveillance is not public safety.

2308
03:18:24,430 --> 03:18:26,990
There is no actual demonstrated need for any of this technology.

2309
03:18:27,430 --> 03:18:31,210
And even if there was, the Berkeley Criminal Law and Justice Centers independent policy review

2310
03:18:31,210 --> 03:18:34,210
showed this technology doesn't actually help solve crimes or even work.

2311
03:18:34,210 --> 03:18:39,410
If does create speed data privacy risk for the city, people will die in ice custody as a result

2312
03:18:39,410 --> 03:18:43,090
of getting fucked or getting shot in the street by fascist federal agents with the help of

2313
03:18:43,090 --> 03:18:43,790
this technology.

2314
03:18:44,570 --> 03:18:47,370
And it doesn't matter what vendor you use for your amounts surveillance, drag net.

2315
03:18:47,590 --> 03:18:50,830
Once that data is collected, no matter what encryption you use, no matter who owns the

2316
03:18:50,830 --> 03:18:55,310
data, not who exists and can be acquired with a warrant.

2317
03:18:55,710 --> 03:18:57,870
The only truly safe choice is not collecting it.

2318
03:18:57,930 --> 03:18:59,110
This is not a safety company.

2319
03:18:59,370 --> 03:19:03,670
It's a data broker who answers to the highest bidder and you're selling this out and making

2320
03:19:03,670 --> 03:19:05,710
That's pay for it.

2321
03:19:07,450 --> 03:19:08,590
Thank you.

2322
03:19:11,920 --> 03:19:14,800
Thank you.

2323
03:19:14,800 --> 03:19:14,980
Okay.

2324
03:19:15,880 --> 03:19:16,900
One second.

2325
03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:19,900
Yeah, I'm familiar with this too.

2326
03:19:20,440 --> 03:19:21,780
Yeah, I'll take a couple minutes.

2327
03:19:23,880 --> 03:19:24,960
So I'm here.

2328
03:19:25,340 --> 03:19:29,300
I was just speaking in also read a couple nights ago, where we were very successful.

2329
03:19:29,980 --> 03:19:30,500
Vanquishing.

2330
03:19:31,480 --> 03:19:32,940
The situation from our city.

2331
03:19:33,500 --> 03:19:35,060
And I was one of the core organizers there.

2332
03:19:35,060 --> 03:19:40,140
spent a lot of time, a lot of people spent quite a long time organizing that.

2333
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:07,040
Well, frankly, how they were treated by Mayor Gabe Quinto, who's up for a election in quite a short time.

2334
03:20:07,240 --> 03:20:10,540
I believe in August, running uncontested as well. I might add.

2335
03:20:11,420 --> 03:20:14,660
So, you know, there's a lot of people in this room tonight who are very motivated,

2336
03:20:15,080 --> 03:20:19,320
and there's a lot of people up here on this city council who might be coming up for election.

2337
03:20:19,860 --> 03:20:25,660
And so I would encourage everybody here if you're serious about this, you can just get the votes next time it comes up,

2338
03:20:26,040 --> 03:20:28,380
and everybody on this council maybe could consider that.

2339
03:20:29,660 --> 03:20:33,060
Furthermore, okay, I often want to cover a little bit of technical stuff.

2340
03:20:34,320 --> 03:20:40,420
So I run a small consulting company specializing in cloud infrastructure, networking, and

2341
03:20:40,420 --> 03:20:40,840
security.

2342
03:20:41,660 --> 03:20:43,660
I work for a lot of AI startups in San Francisco.

2343
03:20:45,080 --> 03:20:49,260
One of my primary objectives with these companies is to help them comply with regulations

2344
03:20:49,260 --> 03:20:51,860
around data and how it's managed.

2345
03:20:53,280 --> 03:20:57,040
So network segmentation, concepts like data sovereignty.

2346
03:20:57,040 --> 03:21:03,060
This is basically the notion of where the data lives, who owns it, what region of the world that's stored in,

2347
03:21:03,080 --> 03:21:07,600
who has access to it, under what legal frameworks can it be shared, et cetera.

2348
03:21:10,020 --> 03:21:14,980
The situation with flock is that the data is being stored in a central location.

2349
03:21:15,440 --> 03:21:18,000
It's not being co-located within your city.

2350
03:21:18,620 --> 03:21:25,240
It's being stored, I don't know, maybe you can explain what region it's being stored in, what cloud provided it's being stored in,

2351
03:21:25,240 --> 03:21:30,960
the U.S. perhaps. These are concerns. I mean, I don't know if anybody knows the answer

2352
03:21:30,960 --> 03:21:38,300
to this, but that really strongly affects the access control of the data. And the thing

2353
03:21:38,300 --> 03:21:43,600
is, no matter what they tell you about the policies and how flock managers the data, they're

2354
03:21:43,600 --> 03:21:49,280
still subject to federal law. Federal law supersedes any local law or any company policy or

2355
03:21:49,280 --> 03:21:54,680
contract stipulation, and there's a few laws on the books, the cloud act of 2019, the

2356
03:21:54,680 --> 03:22:00,060
FISA, which is from 1978, and the FBI has the ability to send national security letters.

2357
03:22:00,780 --> 03:22:06,120
Now, if the FBI sends a national security letter, oftentimes is attached with a gag order.

2358
03:22:06,540 --> 03:22:12,280
And this gag order would legally prevent flock from informing any of their clients that the

2359
03:22:12,280 --> 03:22:13,900
data was requisitioned by the government.

2360
03:22:14,620 --> 03:22:18,740
This means that even the lawyers at flock would not be informed.

2361
03:22:19,980 --> 03:22:21,820
They're all reported cases of this.

2362
03:22:22,520 --> 03:22:25,180
And so if you have time to ask him a question,

2363
03:22:25,860 --> 03:22:27,720
get him up here on the mic and tell you,

2364
03:22:28,120 --> 03:22:30,220
if the federal government asks for the data,

2365
03:22:30,720 --> 03:22:33,740
will they be legally allowed to inform you that that occurred?

2366
03:22:35,200 --> 03:22:36,680
Can I go one more minute, anybody?

2367
03:22:38,480 --> 03:22:39,340
Can I get one more minute?

2368
03:22:39,880 --> 03:22:42,060
Actually, I want to make sure we have everyone speak.

2369
03:22:42,060 --> 03:22:43,680
So, I mean, you're welcome to get on the minute,

2370
03:22:43,860 --> 03:22:45,360
but there are still folks who haven't spoken to me.

2371
03:22:45,740 --> 03:22:48,740
But I will more, very important things today, can I?

2372
03:22:48,920 --> 03:22:50,520
All right, we have one more.

2373
03:22:51,940 --> 03:22:56,760
There's a little bit more in terms of audit logs.

2374
03:22:58,060 --> 03:23:01,140
So, one of the only tools available for a city,

2375
03:23:01,260 --> 03:23:02,700
or an independent set of researchers,

2376
03:23:03,620 --> 03:23:06,720
to use to determine what flock is doing,

2377
03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:08,840
what the data is through an audit log,

2378
03:23:09,260 --> 03:23:11,440
and flock provides audit logs on their website

2379
03:23:11,440 --> 03:23:12,500
to every municipality.

2380
03:23:13,480 --> 03:23:17,560
However, there has been a recent reporting as recently as April from the website called

2381
03:23:17,560 --> 03:23:22,840
Footnote for A, where they're basically analyzing the logs that are publicly available

2382
03:23:22,840 --> 03:23:28,080
and finding that between 3% and 7% of the logs are changing.

2383
03:23:28,480 --> 03:23:29,600
Now we're talking about audit logs.

2384
03:23:29,760 --> 03:23:32,020
This should be an immutable piece of data.

2385
03:23:32,500 --> 03:23:36,560
And when this data is queried and then queried again a week later, they're finding unique

2386
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:42,640
to have changed timestamps to have changed strong circumstantial evidence that the books are being

2387
03:23:42,640 --> 03:23:44,960
cooked on the flock side.

2388
03:23:47,120 --> 03:23:50,260
I mean the question is like if they're providing audit logs can they

2389
03:23:50,260 --> 03:23:55,480
cryptographically sign the logs and can a third party. Thank you. Thank you.

2390
03:24:01,740 --> 03:24:03,860
Hello everybody. I have two

2391
03:24:03,860 --> 03:24:11,780
minutes. I have Ziggy and Paul Blake back there. So three minutes please. So let's be clear.

2392
03:24:11,780 --> 03:24:20,280
surveillance cameras are a supremacist tool of an authoritarian society.

2393
03:24:20,400 --> 03:24:27,200
Okay, I'm going to say that again, surveillance cameras are a supremacist tool of an authoritarian

2394
03:24:27,200 --> 03:24:33,640
society. How do we know? Some of you have lived under such regimes where they have been

2395
03:24:33,640 --> 03:24:39,520
where you've been surveilled. How do you think Israel was so successful at assassinating so many

2396
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:09,800
Ashes countries have surveillance. This is not a tool that we want to use here in our community. And who is safer? We keep

2397
03:25:09,800 --> 03:25:19,280
thinking, oh, this is a safety. Who is safer? We have been given, you have been provided data by the BPD. But have

2398
03:25:19,280 --> 03:25:25,720
even collect the date of how many times you wrongfully pull over people because of bad

2399
03:25:25,720 --> 03:25:32,620
data by by a flock? Okay, these cameras did they tell you all anything about this? No,

2400
03:25:32,840 --> 03:25:40,020
have you asked? How many times have they harmed people? Tremendous harm to people that they pull

2401
03:25:40,020 --> 03:25:47,240
over, detain, they've impounded cars and caused innocent people harm. We heard about a woman who

2402
03:25:47,240 --> 03:25:53,960
shot five times seven holes and a man from our community here who's an activist who has been

2403
03:25:53,960 --> 03:26:02,160
honked. Okay, so there's a lot to this story. I've taken a tally so far we've had 97 minutes.

2404
03:26:02,320 --> 03:26:09,780
That's me 97 people who oppose this. Three who have supported it. Okay, the democracy that would

2405
03:26:09,780 --> 03:26:18,240
overwhelming that of course. You represent us. We all elected you. Okay? Maybe you're with

2406
03:26:18,240 --> 03:26:23,140
my former council member before I got redistricted who doesn't have to be on the diet set this

2407
03:26:23,140 --> 03:26:28,760
moment show they'll be go unnamed when I have a private conversation with them in 2020 and I asked

2408
03:26:28,760 --> 03:26:35,700
are you getting lots of calls for you know this was about the police budget this was in 2020 with

2409
03:26:35,700 --> 03:26:44,200
George Floyd about the police budget should go up and this person said, no, but I was elected

2410
03:26:44,200 --> 03:26:49,260
to make a decision and I was elected to make a decision about what I think is best.

2411
03:26:49,760 --> 03:26:53,400
Now what the community said, but what this person literally said that to me.

2412
03:26:53,820 --> 03:26:58,920
So you all are going to take that authoritarian, like you were elected to make because you're

2413
03:26:58,920 --> 03:27:04,560
the parent and you're the big brother that you're supposed to make the decision for your

2414
03:27:04,560 --> 03:27:09,360
constituents in your community or are we part of a democracy or are you representing us?

2415
03:27:09,920 --> 03:27:12,440
Okay, on the audit, the audit was just brought up.

2416
03:27:12,860 --> 03:27:17,700
If you do vote for this, who's going to ensure compliance with this complex contract?

2417
03:27:17,860 --> 03:27:21,360
It can't be flock, it can't be BPD, who's it going to be?

2418
03:27:21,580 --> 03:27:23,920
Flip the Barclay City Council, flip BCC.

2419
03:27:24,320 --> 03:27:24,500
Thank you.

2420
03:27:24,660 --> 03:27:25,260
Check it out.

2421
03:27:33,420 --> 03:27:35,480
Go ahead and move the mic so we can hear you.

2422
03:27:37,080 --> 03:27:46,240
I'm Zandra. I'm a little worse. 50 fucking years ago, I came to California. I came to the Bay Area.

2423
03:27:46,800 --> 03:27:58,180
Why did I come here? I had a five year old child. I was 24 years old. I came here because Berkeley promised to be the kind of country.

2424
03:27:58,180 --> 03:28:04,300
I'm part of that generation that 50s and 60s generation that believed where I teach

2425
03:28:04,300 --> 03:28:11,360
us told us about social justice, about civil rights, about ending war, and Berkeley stood

2426
03:28:11,360 --> 03:28:13,160
for that when I came here.

2427
03:28:14,180 --> 03:28:21,120
I've been so proud, I've been an activist and a business owner in Berkeley for almost 50 years,

2428
03:28:21,540 --> 03:28:27,160
and I've been so proud to be here, but this is not making me proud, this is making me so

2429
03:28:27,760 --> 03:28:31,300
And I already lived in seven states before I came here.

2430
03:28:31,860 --> 03:28:35,560
So I came here, I knew what I was coming to.

2431
03:28:36,880 --> 03:28:38,380
I'm not going to say anything new.

2432
03:28:38,380 --> 03:28:39,100
Thank you.

2433
03:28:39,120 --> 03:28:41,540
I have one more thing so much.

2434
03:28:42,740 --> 03:28:44,460
I want to take that minute from the person to the back.

2435
03:28:44,820 --> 03:28:45,020
Okay.

2436
03:28:45,020 --> 03:28:45,600
Thank you.

2437
03:28:45,600 --> 03:28:47,300
I'm not saying anything new.

2438
03:28:47,740 --> 03:28:50,940
But what I am going to say, you all know.

2439
03:28:51,180 --> 03:28:52,980
You all know all the information.

2440
03:28:53,720 --> 03:28:55,620
Those of you that are voting, yes.

2441
03:28:55,620 --> 03:29:00,700
I asked you to look inside yourself and figure out what

2442
03:29:01,660 --> 03:29:08,040
rock of morality, what rock of humanity is letting you vote for this.

2443
03:29:08,300 --> 03:29:12,600
Letting you accept that we can be safe through surveillance.

2444
03:29:13,300 --> 03:29:16,720
When these women have said, we know how we're going to be safe.

2445
03:29:16,780 --> 03:29:20,460
Equity is the only thing that's going to get us safe providing

2446
03:29:20,460 --> 03:29:31,940
And in poverty, providing, caring for everyone in the city, that's the only thing that will make us safe, not surveillance, that's all.

2447
03:29:32,060 --> 03:29:32,820
Thank you.

2448
03:29:39,840 --> 03:29:41,940
I just want to check, is there two people?

2449
03:29:42,340 --> 03:29:43,420
There's two people?

2450
03:29:44,520 --> 03:29:45,340
Or three?

2451
03:29:48,520 --> 03:29:48,700
Okay.

2452
03:29:49,520 --> 03:29:49,700
Okay.

2453
03:29:49,940 --> 03:29:50,340
Got it.

2454
03:29:53,640 --> 03:29:54,380
Well, I'm a burden.

2455
03:29:54,720 --> 03:29:55,460
I'm leaving.

2456
03:29:55,600 --> 03:29:56,540
I'm in district four.

2457
03:29:56,880 --> 03:29:57,640
I'm actually sure.

2458
03:29:58,640 --> 03:29:59,980
I don't have anything else.

2459
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:16,780
Like if lock happens, it's kind of over for myself and my friends and my community. I feel you can probably guess why and the activism that I don't want to be doing.

2460
03:30:18,080 --> 03:30:24,920
Flock just doomsus. It's over. There's nothing else for us. Yeah, that's it. I'm sorry. Goodbye.

2461
03:30:24,920 --> 03:30:27,280
Thank you.

2462
03:30:31,540 --> 03:30:32,120
Good evening.

2463
03:30:32,520 --> 03:30:34,140
My name is Sophia O'Brien.

2464
03:30:34,340 --> 03:30:35,860
Can I have a minute from someone?

2465
03:30:37,040 --> 03:30:37,260
There?

2466
03:30:40,060 --> 03:30:41,360
My name is Sophia O'Brien.

2467
03:30:41,580 --> 03:30:43,560
I was born and raised in District 4.

2468
03:30:44,160 --> 03:30:49,600
At a time when this city is discussing cuts to critical public resources and safety net programs,

2469
03:30:50,100 --> 03:30:54,920
while hundreds fill your inboxes and this room to demand investment in our communities,

2470
03:30:54,920 --> 03:31:01,160
This council, well, many from this council, plans to spend millions expanding surveillance

2471
03:31:01,160 --> 03:31:06,680
infrastructure, $2 million plus millions more in inevitable lawsuits that could go towards

2472
03:31:06,680 --> 03:31:11,360
preventing crises, supporting vulnerable residents, and strengthening community services,

2473
03:31:11,600 --> 03:31:12,920
which is public safety.

2474
03:31:13,600 --> 03:31:18,580
Instead, our tax dollars are being directed toward expanding systems tied to policing,

2475
03:31:19,020 --> 03:31:22,340
federal abductions, racial profiling, and mass incarceration.

2476
03:31:22,340 --> 03:31:30,420
If you really cared about public safety, you would invest more money into our schools to make sure that our teachers can afford to live in our city.

2477
03:31:30,840 --> 03:31:37,720
You would invest more money into affordable housing and ensure the most basic social net for the most vulnerable in our community is met.

2478
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:44,500
Not sell those same people out as data points, so a billion dollar company can make more off of my community.

2479
03:31:44,500 --> 03:31:50,140
Like many have said, you are a public servant, and therefore I hope you will act in the interest

2480
03:31:50,140 --> 03:31:55,220
of your constituents, and if not, that will be a stain on this city for years to come

2481
03:31:55,220 --> 03:31:59,820
and something that you as an individual will never live down as long as you are an elected

2482
03:31:59,820 --> 03:32:01,240
official in our city.

2483
03:32:02,300 --> 03:32:07,420
To move forward with this expansion, despite the legal warnings, the oversight concerns,

2484
03:32:07,660 --> 03:32:12,380
the moral failures, and the erosion of public trust would be a profound mistake.

2485
03:32:12,380 --> 03:32:18,020
The first rule of fascism and the most important rule is do not obey an advance.

2486
03:32:18,780 --> 03:32:23,860
Now please, for the first time in forever, stand on the right side of history and do not

2487
03:32:23,860 --> 03:32:30,220
sell out your constituents the public in the interest of public safety because the public

2488
03:32:30,220 --> 03:32:33,180
is telling you exactly what will make us more unsafe.

2489
03:32:33,560 --> 03:32:39,380
So please vote no on this contract on the expansion of more flock in our city.

2490
03:32:39,380 --> 03:32:41,720
The public does not want this.

2491
03:32:41,720 --> 03:32:43,380
Thank you.

2492
03:32:49,820 --> 03:32:50,220
All right.

2493
03:32:50,320 --> 03:32:51,580
Our final in person speaker.

2494
03:32:51,920 --> 03:32:52,380
Go ahead.

2495
03:32:52,580 --> 03:32:55,300
I'm Gail Alcock from District 2.

2496
03:32:56,340 --> 03:32:56,740
And I...

2497
03:32:57,800 --> 03:33:00,000
I think flock is a big mistake.

2498
03:33:00,720 --> 03:33:03,860
And I was really proud, but I was at home,

2499
03:33:03,940 --> 03:33:07,880
to be listening to the all the information that came.

2500
03:33:08,320 --> 03:33:13,780
And I just hope that it's not news to any of things

2501
03:33:13,780 --> 03:33:19,640
that you have heard tonight, it's not news, is that correct, you didn't hear anything that

2502
03:33:19,640 --> 03:33:26,560
you didn't already know. I'm just assuming that that's the truth. But you do have these

2503
03:33:26,560 --> 03:33:33,400
commissions and they do a lot of research. And then apparently there's this very organized group

2504
03:33:33,400 --> 03:33:40,420
that is tremendously committed and dedicated and has brought so much information. But really,

2505
03:33:40,420 --> 03:33:49,680
I think that you all knew anyway, because I knew without knowing a lot of information that this is creepy.

2506
03:33:51,060 --> 03:33:53,960
I mean, you don't need to know much.

2507
03:33:54,380 --> 03:33:55,840
Thank you.

2508
03:34:00,940 --> 03:34:04,640
Okay, we're going to take, we finished with our in-person comment.

2509
03:34:05,540 --> 03:34:11,240
If you are online for online comment, we have an hour of online comment piece, raise your hand.

2510
03:34:11,240 --> 03:34:13,760
So you can get in the queue and in the meantime,

2511
03:34:13,940 --> 03:34:16,160
we are going to take another 10-minute stretch break.

2512
03:34:16,560 --> 03:34:17,340
Thank you.

2513
03:34:29,400 --> 03:34:32,260
OK, the microphones are on.

2514
03:35:00,180 --> 03:35:09,980
We are going to take on-line public comment now for item number 1A, which is the Public Safety

2515
03:35:09,980 --> 03:35:13,620
Technology, Surveillance Technology, Ordnance of Police Equipment, Ordnance of Proof of

2516
03:35:13,620 --> 03:35:20,940
Policy, Updates, and Contract Authority. So, Clara, can you please go ahead and start it?

2517
03:35:20,940 --> 03:35:24,940
The first speaker has a phone number ending in 405.

2518
03:35:28,960 --> 03:35:29,880
Hi, a drug.

2519
03:35:30,160 --> 03:35:33,580
And I heard I live in District 1.

2520
03:35:34,020 --> 03:35:37,200
I came to Berkeley in 1952.

2521
03:35:37,360 --> 03:35:39,320
I graduated in Berkeley.

2522
03:35:41,040 --> 03:35:47,820
And I look, like, not the digital person.

2523
03:35:48,860 --> 03:35:51,140
I'm saying, show me the money.

2524
03:35:52,160 --> 03:36:00,860
What gave us a billion dollars, the answer should be, no, we will not take, we will not be bought.

2525
03:36:02,200 --> 03:36:10,900
And if the ideas that we are paying to be bought is yes, I'll break this.

2526
03:36:10,900 --> 03:36:23,140
I do think that I'm on the board of directors for local corporations, the best of my knowledge,

2527
03:36:23,640 --> 03:36:31,240
not one director, not one contact with the risk corporations would vote to endorse any

2528
03:36:37,220 --> 03:36:44,830
Thank you for your

2529
03:36:51,200 --> 03:37:03,360
service and there are two questions that I have for Mr. Flock. I really just have these two questions. I'm really interested in hearing there just yes and no questions if that's possible.

2530
03:37:03,360 --> 03:37:09,340
One question is, are there any scenarios in which Floc would have to share data with the federal government?

2531
03:37:10,320 --> 03:37:19,820
And then are there any scenarios in which Floc would have to share data with the federal government and not be able to tell the city of Berkeley or the local police?

2532
03:37:21,000 --> 03:37:23,520
Yes, right now.

2533
03:37:24,060 --> 03:37:29,300
Sorry, we don't respond to questions during the common period, but those were also asked and answered.

2534
03:37:31,810 --> 03:37:32,490
Oh, thank you.

2535
03:37:33,230 --> 03:37:33,950
Okay.

2536
03:37:36,190 --> 03:37:38,890
Next is Beth Rossner.

2537
03:37:42,430 --> 03:37:46,230
Good evening, Marin Council. This is Beth Rossner, CEO of the Berkeley

2538
03:37:46,230 --> 03:37:51,430
Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber supports moving forward with thoughtfully managed public

2539
03:37:51,430 --> 03:37:57,790
safety technology and the strong oversight framework in item one A. For Berkeley businesses,

2540
03:37:58,170 --> 03:38:03,970
public safety and economic vitality are closely connected. Employees, customers and visitors

2541
03:38:03,970 --> 03:38:10,450
need to feel safe in our commercial districts and public spaces and tools that improve emergency

2542
03:38:10,450 --> 03:38:16,230
response and investigations can provide real public benefit. We're concerned about creating

2543
03:38:16,230 --> 03:38:21,650
a gap in public safety capabilities if existing systems are discontinued before replacement

2544
03:38:21,650 --> 03:38:27,590
tools or policies are fully in place. At the same time, we recognize the legitimate concerns

2545
03:38:27,590 --> 03:38:33,490
around privacy, data security and vendor accountability. Strong safeguards, transparency,

2546
03:38:33,990 --> 03:38:39,510
auditing, and local control over data must remain paramount. We appreciate the work being done

2547
03:38:39,510 --> 03:38:44,410
to strengthen oversight while protecting Berkeley's values and keeping the city safe and welcoming

2548
03:38:44,410 --> 03:38:50,450
for all. Thank you. Thank you. Next is Della Luna.

2549
03:39:01,050 --> 03:39:03,410
Yes, thank you. I was going to

2550
03:39:05,470 --> 03:39:10,530
This item is taken up so much of our time, and it feels like with so much of the public being

2551
03:39:10,530 --> 03:39:16,130
against it, it shouldn't even be on the table, it's now two committee multiple times,

2552
03:39:16,690 --> 03:39:20,050
and then I think we're up to one o'clock in the morning talking about it and now again.

2553
03:39:20,530 --> 03:39:26,070
And I feel like it just reflects that you all are not doing your jobs, because we don't

2554
03:39:26,070 --> 03:39:27,870
elect you.

2555
03:39:27,950 --> 03:39:31,410
I guess what I want to say is you all are professionals in your own rights and each of

2556
03:39:31,410 --> 03:39:38,310
as a set of expertise but no one as individuals or collectively has the expertise to sign a contract

2557
03:39:38,310 --> 03:39:43,190
that's going to murder death kill the constituents and we didn't elect you for you to then

2558
03:39:43,190 --> 03:39:47,670
negotiate contracts. So there's like a slight of hand going on where we do elect you to be

2559
03:39:47,670 --> 03:39:53,590
city council but the intention is not for you then to turn around and murder death kill us. So

2560
03:39:54,770 --> 03:39:59,970
yes you all represent the people and the people do not want this and the notion that

2561
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:05,660
We are a business association in policy advocacy organization representing nearly 400 of the region's employers.

2562
03:40:06,360 --> 03:40:13,160
Three years ago, 125 East Bay employers asked us to form a coalition and response to concerns about safety in the future of the region.

2563
03:40:13,700 --> 03:40:18,360
This coalition strongly supports the continued use of ALPR and related technology in Berkeley.

2564
03:40:19,200 --> 03:40:23,580
Technology is a critical public safety tool, particularly for departments facing staffing challenges.

2565
03:40:23,580 --> 03:40:31,200
On the ground every day, these tools help officers recover soul and property prevent human trafficking and identify suspects in violent crimes.

2566
03:40:31,860 --> 03:40:40,940
We've also seen across the East Bay and the broader region that this technology can be implemented with appropriate safeguards that balance the needs of community privacy with public safety.

2567
03:40:41,700 --> 03:40:48,960
Finally, and importantly, since many nearby cities are already applying this technology using compatible tools, strengthens coordination and safety across jurisdictions.

2568
03:40:48,960 --> 03:40:52,720
Thank you for your consideration and your continued leadership in Berkeley.

2569
03:40:55,760 --> 03:40:56,180
Thank you.

2570
03:40:57,240 --> 03:40:58,800
Tracy Rosenberg.

2571
03:41:05,470 --> 03:41:06,890
Yes, one second.

2572
03:41:11,550 --> 03:41:13,450
Tracy Rosenberg from Oakland Privacy.

2573
03:41:13,950 --> 03:41:14,590
Let's be clear.

2574
03:41:15,210 --> 03:41:19,710
While fully aware of dozens of local sanctuary ordinances.

2575
03:41:19,790 --> 03:41:22,510
California, SB 34 and SB 54.

2576
03:41:23,030 --> 03:41:30,030
So often chose to let customs and border patrol into their database and hold absolutely no one.

2577
03:41:30,030 --> 03:41:58,730
In my news today, Shaker Heights, Ohio, is sitting with a sanctuary policy announced that other agencies searched their flock database for the purpose of immigration enforcement 2773 times in the last three months this year, it is happening and it is continuing to happen every single day.

2578
03:41:58,730 --> 03:42:07,390
you can't negotiate with companies that are lying to you. No on the concept. Thank you.

2579
03:42:08,950 --> 03:42:11,570
Next speaker is Wendy Elfson.

2580
03:42:22,980 --> 03:42:27,720
Thank you. Mayor council speaking on behalf of the

2581
03:42:27,720 --> 03:42:37,340
Berkeley friends meeting in opposition to the approval of these eight items on your agenda.

2582
03:42:38,480 --> 03:42:47,660
It's like to point out that each of them merits a separate agenda with the opportunity for consideration.

2583
03:42:48,660 --> 03:42:56,360
It's been very difficult throughout this process to have any attention on the policies that underlie all of this,

2584
03:42:56,360 --> 03:43:03,260
like to point out that in addition to all of the other things that have been raised,

2585
03:43:03,260 --> 03:43:25,900
particularly by the police accountability board as you can just pay special attention to their recommendations, their most recent one of my sixth on the purchase called purchase order contracting issue, really requires.

2586
03:43:26,060 --> 03:43:31,520
Thank you. Next is Audrey Cramer.

2587
03:43:34,700 --> 03:43:40,640
Good evening, city council and mayor. My name is Audrey Cramer and I am a sophomore at UC Berkeley in a district six resident.

2588
03:43:41,280 --> 03:43:46,040
I'm currently looking at the city managers proposed 2728 budget and balancing plan.

2589
03:43:46,800 --> 03:43:51,480
And so my question for you today is why are we sitting here? Berkeley isn't a ridiculous budget deficit.

2590
03:43:52,040 --> 03:43:58,600
On page 52 of this report, the city manager outlines the eight policemen that Berkeley is firing this year.

2591
03:43:58,600 --> 03:44:03,780
Every department in the city is losing 10% of its budget, and Flock is clearly highly unpopular,

2592
03:44:04,480 --> 03:44:09,580
so I would suggest that you use this exorbitant amount of money to follow the police accountability

2593
03:44:09,580 --> 03:44:15,160
boards recommendation for an RFP on this matter, or use this money for literally anything else.

2594
03:44:15,400 --> 03:44:19,440
Thank you so much for your time. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thank you.

2595
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:08,240
I'm Latino. And when extremist ideological experiments go wrong, people die. Socialist extremist policies

2596
03:45:08,240 --> 03:45:14,360
failed Cuba and Venezuela, millions suffered. Here in California, DSA driven defunding a police

2597
03:45:14,360 --> 03:45:19,120
helped create this out of control crime wave. And now you want us to do what? Keep trusting

2598
03:45:19,120 --> 03:45:24,880
your failed social experiment. Here in Berkeley, even common sense liberals are now called fascists

2599
03:45:24,880 --> 03:45:29,820
and bullied into silence. Look, the city's number one job is still to protect residents and

2600
03:45:29,820 --> 03:45:35,300
businesses with proven tools, not gamble with public safety based on ideology and zero evidence.

2601
03:45:35,760 --> 03:45:41,280
What happens when cities turn off flock, Richmond stopped cameras a few months, auto thefts,

2602
03:45:41,440 --> 03:45:42,340
jump by a third.

2603
03:45:42,680 --> 03:45:43,200
That's not theory.

2604
03:45:43,500 --> 03:45:44,860
That's documented facts.

2605
03:45:45,500 --> 03:45:47,780
So who's paying the highest price?

2606
03:45:47,960 --> 03:45:50,720
It's working class, black and brown families.

2607
03:45:51,240 --> 03:45:56,380
Most are single-core households, and when that one car is stolen, it's not a small inconvenience.

2608
03:45:56,380 --> 03:46:02,720
People whose jobs kids miss school families lose their homes, stolen cars become stolen lives.

2609
03:46:03,000 --> 03:46:03,400
Thank you.

2610
03:46:03,620 --> 03:46:04,360
Thank you.

2611
03:46:05,220 --> 03:46:06,140
Time is up.

2612
03:46:06,160 --> 03:46:07,980
Thank you.

2613
03:46:08,700 --> 03:46:10,720
Next is Devon.

2614
03:46:18,640 --> 03:46:21,580
Devon, you should be able to unmute.

2615
03:46:27,860 --> 03:46:30,140
Last call for Devon.

2616
03:46:32,260 --> 03:46:32,560
All right.

2617
03:46:34,820 --> 03:46:37,380
Let's go to MR.

2618
03:46:40,900 --> 03:46:44,520
Hello, I'm a resident, a data engineer and a former defense technologist.

2619
03:46:44,520 --> 03:46:47,160
I'm embarrassed to have Shashana O'Keef as my representative.

2620
03:46:47,780 --> 03:46:49,460
Block is not a public safety company.

2621
03:46:49,660 --> 03:46:53,600
They are a data broker as a data near I'm telling you that the oversight narrative for

2622
03:46:53,600 --> 03:46:55,600
this contract is technically infeasible.

2623
03:46:56,160 --> 03:46:59,300
The city and the Berkeley Police Department will absolutely not have the independent

2624
03:46:59,300 --> 03:47:04,180
technical capacity to oversee monitor or manage Berkeley data generated by flock.

2625
03:47:04,720 --> 03:47:09,520
As a survivor myself, I completely reject the use of survivor trauma as justification for

2626
03:47:09,520 --> 03:47:12,220
warrantless mass surveillance, commercial surveillance

2627
03:47:12,220 --> 03:47:15,300
companies, and our products do not address the causes of violence

2628
03:47:15,300 --> 03:47:17,860
or crime, and survivors too deserve

2629
03:47:17,860 --> 03:47:19,560
want and have rights to privacy.

2630
03:47:19,900 --> 03:47:21,640
Shame on you for invoking survivor trauma

2631
03:47:21,640 --> 03:47:22,880
to enable mass surveillance.

2632
03:47:28,770 --> 03:47:30,150
Thank you, and just a reminder to folks

2633
03:47:30,150 --> 03:47:31,970
to not refer to specific council members.

2634
03:47:32,390 --> 03:47:34,450
You have to refer to us as a body.

2635
03:47:35,950 --> 03:47:39,790
OK, one more try for Devon.

2636
03:47:40,090 --> 03:47:41,470
Devon, you should be able to unmute,

2637
03:47:47,100 --> 03:47:48,260
no Devon.

2638
03:47:49,220 --> 03:47:52,400
Next is Mackay Freeman.

2639
03:47:54,320 --> 03:47:55,560
Can you give her extra time, please?

2640
03:47:55,960 --> 03:47:56,960
Thank you.

2641
03:48:00,400 --> 03:48:00,740
Good afternoon.

2642
03:48:02,580 --> 03:48:02,700
Thank you.

2643
03:48:04,140 --> 03:48:10,380
I'm about to send any order to tonight,

2644
03:48:10,580 --> 03:48:11,180
but like,

2645
03:48:12,280 --> 03:48:15,260
they'll describe the residents.

2646
03:48:17,760 --> 03:48:24,570
We usually saw the reversal of zoning rights

2647
03:48:24,570 --> 03:48:26,490
in the cell like this,

2648
03:48:28,580 --> 03:48:36,190
we know what happened, doing colonel for us, we know we have

2649
03:48:36,190 --> 03:48:46,110
a strange problem that's utterance, the pattern is, I think our fleet's, oh there's

2650
03:48:47,610 --> 03:48:49,190
a tree as well,

2651
03:48:51,230 --> 03:49:02,970
I am, I can, I am, can't have that sense of safety, but you know, all

2652
03:49:02,970 --> 03:49:08,430
on the diet. No, there's going to be excuses.

2653
03:49:11,540 --> 03:49:14,240
You are a public servant.

2654
03:49:16,570 --> 03:49:17,510
When a public

2655
03:49:18,980 --> 03:49:22,380
said no, listen,

2656
03:49:25,160 --> 03:49:34,670
I'm not going to reach out. I'm those who have been in a room and children

2657
03:49:34,670 --> 03:49:39,670
Without the parent, sharing numbers,

2658
03:49:42,490 --> 03:49:45,110
it is a false dichotomy,

2659
03:49:47,370 --> 03:49:49,810
that if you don't want the

2660
03:49:49,810 --> 03:49:59,980
field, don't care about public safety and for a part, find it.

2661
03:50:00,020 --> 03:50:01,200
Thanks, Mokai.

2662
03:50:06,390 --> 03:50:10,830
Next is a phone number ending in 4, 5, 3.

2663
03:50:13,710 --> 03:50:15,050
I think that's chair, Kaitano.

2664
03:50:24,980 --> 03:50:28,120
That's for that minute. Chair, Kaitano, can you hear us?

2665
03:50:33,040 --> 03:50:34,320
He's down mute first.

2666
03:50:37,000 --> 03:50:41,120
Phone number ending in 4, 5, 3. You should be able to unmute, star 6 to unmute.

2667
03:50:43,820 --> 03:50:44,040
There you go.

2668
03:50:44,480 --> 03:50:47,780
Hi, everyone. Josh Kaitano, chair of the police accountability board.

2669
03:50:48,180 --> 03:50:51,540
I believe I have direction minutes from people online. I think I raise a hand.

2670
03:50:51,540 --> 03:50:55,740
four minutes total could you give us their names because a lot of people are raising their hands

2671
03:50:57,000 --> 03:51:01,960
oh um I don't know what their name bill is it has um chip Adriana and Lila

2672
03:51:06,890 --> 03:51:13,660
it's one of them is calling on by some chip do you say chip yeah

2673
03:51:16,900 --> 03:51:20,140
um okay one more time chip

2674
03:51:20,140 --> 03:51:29,700
what were the other two Adriana and Lila okay I see Adriana and Lila

2675
03:51:33,220 --> 03:51:34,840
I see Adriana and Lila

2676
03:51:34,840 --> 03:51:36,360
there and do you see them mark?

2677
03:51:39,940 --> 03:51:41,320
Thank you.

2678
03:51:41,900 --> 03:51:44,100
See Adriana.

2679
03:51:44,880 --> 03:51:46,660
Layla is, you know,

2680
03:51:48,960 --> 03:51:51,020
Layla and Nassura Lahi.

2681
03:51:51,660 --> 03:51:53,200
Yes, I'm sorry.

2682
03:51:53,500 --> 03:51:55,080
I'll see you tomorrow on, though.

2683
03:51:55,780 --> 03:51:56,680
So we'll get you that.

2684
03:51:56,980 --> 03:51:58,160
Josh, we'll see if I can get you that

2685
03:51:58,160 --> 03:51:59,740
for a minute in here, but just let's

2686
03:51:59,740 --> 03:52:01,340
for now check on those other two.

2687
03:52:01,480 --> 03:52:02,500
I want to make sure we keep moving.

2688
03:52:03,140 --> 03:52:04,240
Yeah, so we've got three minutes.

2689
03:52:04,740 --> 03:52:08,100
It more gets on than that would be a fourth.

2690
03:52:08,840 --> 03:52:09,320
Oh.

2691
03:52:09,320 --> 03:52:09,980
You have a third minute.

2692
03:52:10,160 --> 03:52:11,420
I've got your third minute here.

2693
03:52:12,100 --> 03:52:13,120
Okay, so a fourth toe, right?

2694
03:52:13,240 --> 03:52:14,860
I'd like to thank you.

2695
03:52:15,700 --> 03:52:16,540
My name is Josh Kaitana.

2696
03:52:16,600 --> 03:52:18,540
I'm Chair of the Police Accountability Board.

2697
03:52:18,620 --> 03:52:21,260
I also graduated at Berkeley Law and at D3 resident.

2698
03:52:22,560 --> 03:52:25,260
First, I would just like to note that nobody has asked

2699
03:52:25,260 --> 03:52:29,620
BPD or finance about their supplemental and why they're no longer standing behind

2700
03:52:29,620 --> 03:52:31,080
their first proposed resolution.

2701
03:52:31,080 --> 03:52:33,060
And I can tell you why.

2702
03:52:33,200 --> 03:52:37,580
The PAD sent a letter this week where we explained the BPD has failed residents of Berkeley

2703
03:52:37,580 --> 03:52:42,660
by exclusively pursuing a contract with Flock without a competitive procurement process.

2704
03:52:43,060 --> 03:52:46,980
Even after the city council sent them back to the drawing board on Flock in Flock 2025

2705
03:52:46,980 --> 03:52:49,080
in the city to that again, the spring.

2706
03:52:50,000 --> 03:52:50,800
And so this had to pivot.

2707
03:52:50,920 --> 03:52:55,260
The city manager said during the common section that we do this all the time.

2708
03:52:55,420 --> 03:52:56,620
And that's exactly the issue.

2709
03:52:56,860 --> 03:52:59,280
It's one of the city auditor recently faulted the city for.

2710
03:52:59,280 --> 03:53:04,980
40% of it's contracts were not completely bid, and the default rule is a competitive process.

2711
03:53:05,440 --> 03:53:08,140
He also compared this to a contract for a truck or a pencil.

2712
03:53:08,780 --> 03:53:10,380
But we're not talking about trucks and pencils.

2713
03:53:10,460 --> 03:53:15,080
We're talking about the largest expansion of police surveillance technology in Berkeley's history.

2714
03:53:15,920 --> 03:53:18,520
Now, BPD is trying to claim that block is the best out there.

2715
03:53:18,800 --> 03:53:22,360
That nobody else has a comparable product, but this is what's best for Berkeley.

2716
03:53:22,740 --> 03:53:25,080
But they cannot back that up without a competitive process.

2717
03:53:25,520 --> 03:53:26,920
And that's something Berkeley and deserve.

2718
03:53:27,640 --> 03:53:31,600
Second, and speaking for myself now, there's also been a lot of talks about safety from

2719
03:53:31,600 --> 03:53:35,460
Fox supporters, but Fox does not keep our community safe.

2720
03:53:36,080 --> 03:53:36,580
We do.

2721
03:53:36,900 --> 03:53:40,600
I recently spoke with leaders in Helmwood and DM3, her monitoring the neighborhood around

2722
03:53:40,600 --> 03:53:43,740
Sylvia Mendez, making sure children are safe and protected for mice.

2723
03:53:44,460 --> 03:53:45,100
That is safety.

2724
03:53:45,840 --> 03:53:48,820
Now, to talk every month with members of the mayor's sanctuary city task force, the people

2725
03:53:48,820 --> 03:53:51,420
who are tirelessly coordinating each way for our community.

2726
03:53:52,020 --> 03:53:52,740
That is safety.

2727
03:53:52,740 --> 03:53:59,660
My spoke with members, some members of BPD, and with free who are building relationships and schools and on the streets with people in high risk areas.

2728
03:54:00,220 --> 03:54:00,960
That is safety.

2729
03:54:01,500 --> 03:54:02,900
Block does not make us safe.

2730
03:54:03,400 --> 03:54:04,180
We do.

2731
03:54:05,060 --> 03:54:07,840
There is also been a lot of talk from block supporters about accountability.

2732
03:54:08,780 --> 03:54:14,320
Go out to the supporters and ask them, but their track record is on police accountability in Berkeley.

2733
03:54:15,140 --> 03:54:19,260
DPD bury their audit on the last page of reports that they had identified Berkeley's

2734
03:54:19,260 --> 03:54:21,060
own data with search for ISMDHS.

2735
03:54:21,280 --> 03:54:22,700
They didn't bring that to the council of attention.

2736
03:54:23,380 --> 03:54:23,900
We did.

2737
03:54:24,500 --> 03:54:28,760
DPD did not have the courage to say what that was, and call it what it was, the material

2738
03:54:28,760 --> 03:54:30,640
of our trust, and said they explained it away.

2739
03:54:31,140 --> 03:54:34,820
And so what I hear about saying is that they don't know exactly what that was.

2740
03:54:34,880 --> 03:54:38,260
But I think that sitting there today, if they're asking for you to contract with block

2741
03:54:38,260 --> 03:54:39,740
they should admit it.

2742
03:54:40,000 --> 03:54:43,040
Why should we trust what they say if they can't admit, even with their own audit

2743
03:54:44,740 --> 03:54:50,300
The last three years, our own accountability institutions have been undermined, subverted, and

2744
03:54:50,300 --> 03:54:53,140
defunded, and tonight this accountability can start.

2745
03:54:53,720 --> 03:54:54,820
Make them make it happen.

2746
03:54:54,920 --> 03:54:55,480
Thank you all.

2747
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:09,660
Thank you. Yes, my name is Dr. Kelsey Jackson. I'm in District 1 and I'm concerned about the similarities and surveillance between Israel and the United States in this moment.

2748
03:55:10,420 --> 03:55:28,500
I'm an expert in the perceptions of intercultural empathy, peace, and the other between Palestinians and Israelis. I spent time in the Middle East. I spent time in Palestine and Israel. I walked around the inside of the wall of Palestine at a military checkpoint, where headstones littered the brush while I stared down.

2749
03:55:28,500 --> 03:55:31,120
Sorry, while I was stared down by four Israeli soldiers,

2750
03:55:31,300 --> 03:55:34,440
each holding their AK-47s as they watched me.

2751
03:55:34,620 --> 03:55:36,100
While in Palestine 10 years ago,

2752
03:55:36,240 --> 03:55:39,140
I saw firsthand the detriment of over to surveillance.

2753
03:55:39,660 --> 03:55:43,040
It saw firsthand the way it impeded the lives of Palestinians.

2754
03:55:43,880 --> 03:55:45,520
They weren't able to self-organize.

2755
03:55:45,600 --> 03:55:46,780
They weren't able to gather.

2756
03:55:46,900 --> 03:55:48,960
They weren't able to protest without threat

2757
03:55:48,960 --> 03:55:50,540
of being imprisoned or killed.

2758
03:55:51,420 --> 03:55:53,500
Israel uses the same surveillance technology

2759
03:55:53,500 --> 03:55:56,280
in their red wolf and blue wolf surveillance as flock,

2760
03:55:56,280 --> 03:56:01,220
And it's now being embedded into our cities, our communities, to our neighbors.

2761
03:56:02,380 --> 03:56:05,560
We're on the dangerous path to normalizing master valence of infringing.

2762
03:56:07,640 --> 03:56:11,840
Next is Tim McKenzie, Tim McKenzie.

2763
03:56:13,500 --> 03:56:14,940
Hi, my name is Tim McKenzie.

2764
03:56:14,940 --> 03:56:17,360
I'm a member of the Democratic Socialist of America.

2765
03:56:18,060 --> 03:56:23,860
I'm here to encourage you to get rid of ALPR's cancel the flood contract.

2766
03:56:23,860 --> 03:56:31,380
I actually believe Mr. Flock saying that they are an industry leader and honestly, that's embarrassing for the industry.

2767
03:56:32,520 --> 03:56:35,880
Flock only just introduced two factor authentication.

2768
03:56:37,000 --> 03:56:41,700
That was just admitted at Sunnyvale City Council last month.

2769
03:56:42,260 --> 03:56:46,620
They haven't had less data security than applying for a job.

2770
03:56:46,980 --> 03:56:51,880
It is really impossible to believe that they will be able to protect the data.

2771
03:56:51,880 --> 03:56:57,420
And it's been illegal in California to share data outside of the state for a decade.

2772
03:56:57,900 --> 03:57:04,560
And they have spent years doing that, having a nationwide look up to, well, they've already broken trust.

2773
03:57:04,980 --> 03:57:07,060
They cannot be relied upon.

2774
03:57:07,120 --> 03:57:08,640
You need to cancel the contract.

2775
03:57:09,120 --> 03:57:09,860
Thank you.

2776
03:57:11,970 --> 03:57:12,510
Thank you.

2777
03:57:15,130 --> 03:57:18,330
Next is Mary Lynn Morales.

2778
03:57:21,930 --> 03:57:23,170
Hi, thank you.

2779
03:57:24,130 --> 03:57:32,430
I'm a long time Berkeley resident, homeowner and a small business owner in Berkeley, and members of the city council, I'd be

2780
03:57:32,430 --> 03:57:40,450
seats you in the strongest possible terms, do not renew the flock contract as proposed.

2781
03:57:41,810 --> 03:57:44,690
I am more afraid of flock than I am afraid of crime in Berkeley.

2782
03:57:44,690 --> 03:57:50,850
Prime is already down. Everyone is talked about it. We don't need to expand our invasions

2783
03:57:50,850 --> 03:57:57,820
of privacy and further militarize our police force. Save us from the constant fear of

2784
03:57:57,820 --> 03:58:03,480
big brother. Please. Please. Thank you.

2785
03:58:03,760 --> 03:58:04,580
Thank you.

2786
03:58:07,300 --> 03:58:08,960
Next is Jordan.

2787
03:58:13,470 --> 03:58:15,750
Hi. Can you hear me? Yeah.

2788
03:58:15,750 --> 03:58:22,570
Cool. My name is Jordan. I lived in Berkeley for about 22, 23 years. Recently moved

2789
03:58:22,570 --> 03:58:28,790
still very connected to this community. I go to UC Berkeley law. And I am joining the

2790
03:58:28,790 --> 03:58:33,950
overwhelming chorus of people who are asking you to drop the flock contract. I'd like to

2791
03:58:33,950 --> 03:58:40,050
also expand upon that and say, I think that as we built this grassroots power and this

2792
03:58:40,050 --> 03:58:44,730
grassroots movement against flock, we've also seen people more broadly take a stand against

2793
03:58:44,730 --> 03:58:48,610
master valence in general and that includes drones and that includes shots,

2794
03:58:48,610 --> 03:58:52,790
spotter and that includes all of these technologies that get woven together into

2795
03:58:52,790 --> 03:58:57,910
this intricate web of master valence that we are trying to prevent and cannot escape.

2796
03:59:00,070 --> 03:59:03,510
And I had other things to say but I think you're going to vote how you're going to vote.

2797
03:59:03,750 --> 03:59:08,110
I don't know if us saying this is going to sway anyone but I want to add my voice to the

2798
03:59:08,110 --> 03:59:10,290
chorus and I hope that you listen to your constituents.

2799
03:59:11,450 --> 03:59:12,410
Thank you.

2800
03:59:19,000 --> 03:59:23,880
It's another instance of Wendy Elfson here.

2801
03:59:24,840 --> 03:59:27,180
As is Wendy or somebody else.

2802
03:59:28,180 --> 03:59:38,700
Hi, my name is Marilyn Cleveland and I'm a resident of Berkeley and a retired attorney who spent 30 years advising public entities concerning public contracts.

2803
03:59:38,700 --> 03:59:45,220
The daily cow recently published an article about a leaked city attorney memo describing

2804
03:59:45,220 --> 03:59:50,020
the city's exposure to multimillion dollar lawsuits at the council for seeds to renew

2805
03:59:50,020 --> 03:59:51,860
and expand the plot contracts.

2806
03:59:52,640 --> 03:59:57,340
The article states that the proposed contract follows flocks standard terms and conditions.

2807
03:59:58,040 --> 03:59:59,680
Public entities including Berkeley.

2808
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:13,000
Procedures from the city's form of contract, not from a standard form that the private entity trying to contract with the city provides, even if that another public entity has accepted those terms.

2809
04:00:13,640 --> 04:00:25,780
Piggy backing on another public entities contract is one way to comply with the California Public Contract Code. Piggy backing does not wave the city's responsibility to comply with the applicable state and municipal requirements,

2810
04:00:25,780 --> 04:00:30,440
including sanctuary laws and military equipment reporting requirements.

2811
04:00:30,620 --> 04:00:31,940
That's your time.

2812
04:00:35,280 --> 04:00:36,520
Next is Zachary.

2813
04:00:43,150 --> 04:00:45,010
I'm Zach, D1 resident.

2814
04:00:46,690 --> 04:00:51,510
I think that cameras and ALPRs are a useful tool for solving crimes.

2815
04:00:51,630 --> 04:00:56,330
Again, convictions, and we should stand against crime, but this is about something different.

2816
04:00:56,510 --> 04:00:57,670
This is aggregation.

2817
04:00:58,090 --> 04:01:02,230
There are other ways to get these tools that don't grant automatic third party access.

2818
04:01:02,230 --> 04:01:05,810
And this is really a conversation about civil liberties.

2819
04:01:06,630 --> 04:01:10,350
I was lucky enough to be born in a world before the Patriot Act.

2820
04:01:11,030 --> 04:01:14,310
Year after year, our rights are trimmed back.

2821
04:01:15,230 --> 04:01:21,570
And on average, we saw a drop of four deaths per year due to terrorism before and after the Patriot Act.

2822
04:01:22,550 --> 04:01:26,210
We could have asked everyone just to wear seat belts and it probably would have been more effective.

2823
04:01:26,870 --> 04:01:30,730
A contract with flock will not fix our criminal justice system

2824
04:01:30,730 --> 04:01:36,510
and it will not be in a step in the right direction, we need to aggregate, sorry, it will

2825
04:01:36,510 --> 04:01:41,110
aggregate our data into their cloud, so that it can be served up the very moment, a whiskey

2826
04:01:41,110 --> 04:01:44,930
soak, Pfizer warrant shows up with NSB07 written on it.

2827
04:01:44,930 --> 04:01:45,530
Thank you, Mr. Tom.

2828
04:01:45,530 --> 04:01:45,830
Project.

2829
04:01:48,740 --> 04:01:50,800
Next is Fabiola.

2830
04:01:53,790 --> 04:02:01,210
Uh, Fabiola D5, Madam Mayor and the City Council members, I urge you all to heed the warning from

2831
04:02:01,210 --> 04:02:07,330
the city attorney regarding the potential liability, burply faces if it renews its contract

2832
04:02:07,330 --> 04:02:08,150
with flock.

2833
04:02:08,550 --> 04:02:09,910
Please don't waste our money.

2834
04:02:10,530 --> 04:02:15,130
Regarding that, Opad, my city council member, co-wrote in the BS that claims flock keeps

2835
04:02:15,130 --> 04:02:15,730
us safe.

2836
04:02:16,210 --> 04:02:17,070
Well, that's BS.

2837
04:02:17,650 --> 04:02:21,630
The Opad talks about arrests made for crimes that were committed.

2838
04:02:22,150 --> 04:02:23,690
Where's the public safety there?

2839
04:02:23,930 --> 04:02:25,030
Crimes were committed.

2840
04:02:25,450 --> 04:02:26,510
They were not prevented.

2841
04:02:27,190 --> 04:02:28,790
Flock does not make us safe.

2842
04:02:28,790 --> 04:02:34,930
Again, this proposal represents the largest expansion of surveillance infrastructure in the city

2843
04:02:34,930 --> 04:02:42,010
history and directly undermines Berkeley's longstanding commitment to being a sanctuary city.

2844
04:02:42,750 --> 04:02:48,630
To those of our app ad writers, supporting the surveillance system is totally maga.

2845
04:02:49,030 --> 04:02:51,150
Please vote no to renew the flood contract.

2846
04:02:52,090 --> 04:02:52,450
Thank you.

2847
04:02:56,530 --> 04:02:58,810
Next is Keon.

2848
04:02:59,070 --> 04:03:00,490
Keon Bliss.

2849
04:03:05,200 --> 04:03:06,680
You hear me?

2850
04:03:06,680 --> 04:03:08,040
You hear me?

2851
04:03:08,040 --> 04:03:08,420
You hear me?

2852
04:03:14,680 --> 04:03:15,960
Colleges, can you hear me now?

2853
04:03:16,120 --> 04:03:19,260
Yep, can you hear me now?

2854
04:03:21,700 --> 04:03:33,740
Yeah, just wanted to say that BPD and Council members argue that up to two million dollars for private surveillance technology is needed to compensate for BPD staffing challenges.

2855
04:03:33,740 --> 04:03:39,260
The department is running well, because the department is running well below authorized strength,

2856
04:03:40,500 --> 04:03:41,800
but it's actually a false choice.

2857
04:03:42,080 --> 04:03:48,000
Technology and staffing have never been interchangeable and reality, LPR, cameras generate

2858
04:03:48,000 --> 04:03:53,100
leads, but require officers to actually investigate them, and BPDs reduce staffing means fewer

2859
04:03:53,100 --> 04:03:56,060
investigators available to follow up on LPR hits.

2860
04:03:56,600 --> 04:04:00,660
And peer review research already suggests LPR's effectiveness depends on dedicated units.

2861
04:04:00,660 --> 04:04:05,540
creating that capacity requires staffing, not cameras, but BPD itself calls this technology

2862
04:04:05,540 --> 04:04:12,300
a resource multiplier, even as it's ready to fund that resource multiplier by eliminating

2863
04:04:12,300 --> 04:04:14,200
up to six-worn officer positions.

2864
04:04:15,260 --> 04:04:20,620
So BPD's argument for flock actually highlights the need to actually invest in people,

2865
04:04:21,060 --> 04:04:22,440
rather than male and technology.

2866
04:04:22,560 --> 04:04:23,000
Thanks so much.

2867
04:04:25,660 --> 04:04:27,440
Next is Ralph.

2868
04:04:27,720 --> 04:04:29,540
Ralph, you should be able to unmute.

2869
04:04:45,940 --> 04:04:48,360
Ralph Brown, can you hear us? Can you please unmute?

2870
04:04:53,660 --> 04:04:54,460
They will come back to you.

2871
04:04:55,700 --> 04:04:57,320
Next is Katherine Lewis.

2872
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:00,340
Hello.

2873
04:05:02,840 --> 04:05:13,020
I'm here tonight. And can only think about how this body has failed its residents, its constituents

2874
04:05:13,540 --> 04:05:23,260
over and over again. I can only think of the infants in Gaza four days old, who were bombed

2875
04:05:23,260 --> 04:05:30,660
in their apartment because of surveillance. You've all heard of the Palestine Laboratory.

2876
04:05:32,800 --> 04:05:41,140
Well, the Berkeley City Council is complicit because they failed failed to condemn genocide

2877
04:05:41,140 --> 04:05:51,620
in Gaza and continue to fail. Don't fail the children of Berkeley as well. Say no to

2878
04:05:51,620 --> 04:05:58,520
block. We do not need this surveillance. What a waste. Look into your hearts and do the right thing.

2879
04:06:00,560 --> 04:06:01,460
Thank you.

2880
04:06:03,600 --> 04:06:07,900
Go back to Ralph Brown. Ralph, are you there?

2881
04:06:10,950 --> 04:06:11,610
And unmute.

2882
04:06:17,170 --> 04:06:19,290
Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. There you go.

2883
04:06:20,550 --> 04:06:27,170
Excellent. This morning to note from the supporters, there's a lot of money that's actually invested.

2884
04:06:27,170 --> 04:06:46,140
and in Berkeley City Council members from some of the supporters like Bay Area Council, who is most notably a prime backer of flock in the Bay Area, and that comes out to amount of that $81,000.

2885
04:06:49,500 --> 04:06:58,360
And the, also with the Berkeley police officer association for existing members of City Council.

2886
04:07:00,280 --> 04:07:02,420
I mean, it comes out to even more.

2887
04:07:04,560 --> 04:07:07,060
It should actually be listening.

2888
04:07:07,240 --> 04:07:14,840
I hope you are actually listening to what concern constituents are actually telling you to do as it comes to.

2889
04:07:14,840 --> 04:07:17,760
This surveillance is not actually keeping you safe.

2890
04:07:18,460 --> 04:07:24,220
What it is is just a field good measure for a lot of these folks, and it doesn't actually give it to you.

2891
04:07:24,360 --> 04:07:25,040
Maybe for most people.

2892
04:07:25,420 --> 04:07:25,740
Thanks.

2893
04:07:26,180 --> 04:07:27,020
Your time, sir.

2894
04:07:27,900 --> 04:07:28,980
Next is Elmira.

2895
04:07:33,680 --> 04:07:34,240
Hi there.

2896
04:07:34,540 --> 04:07:35,360
My name is Elmira.

2897
04:07:35,360 --> 04:07:37,380
I'm a resident of district five.

2898
04:07:37,840 --> 04:07:43,260
And I've done about flock for a little bit, but it wasn't until I got an email from the electronic

2899
04:07:43,260 --> 04:07:48,700
Frontier Foundation telling me that the organization that I lead direct action everywhere

2900
04:07:48,700 --> 04:07:57,750
I show up in searches that they've done looking at to flock over 50 different times and over 50 times people who have been doing

2901
04:07:58,340 --> 04:08:05,110
Public property protests have been surveilled and their license plates have been tracked and this is

2902
04:08:05,520 --> 04:08:10,860
Happening to residents of Berkeley. I am your constituent. This is happening to my friends who are your constituent

2903
04:08:10,860 --> 04:08:28,120
So, this is not a hypothetical, this has already been used to suppress free speech and intimidate people trying to make the world a better place and I strongly encourage you to vote no on this contract to protect people in Berkeley and everywhere who are fighting for a better world. Thank you.

2904
04:08:32,770 --> 04:08:38,250
Next is Mimi. Mimi, you should be able to unmute. There you go.

2905
04:08:38,250 --> 04:08:48,890
Hi there. My name is Danny. I'm I live for eight years on District 8 and I thought and hoped when I moved to Berkeley that this would be a place that reflects my values.

2906
04:08:49,970 --> 04:08:55,790
The hundreds of people that have spoken tonight and the hundreds of people that have spoken at the tier gas commission meeting.

2907
04:08:55,790 --> 04:08:58,010
Those people reflect my values.

2908
04:08:58,890 --> 04:09:01,830
The people I've been working with at our BLFD school

2909
04:09:01,830 --> 04:09:02,770
and in my neighborhood,

2910
04:09:03,130 --> 04:09:05,510
to set up community watch and mutual aid networks,

2911
04:09:06,390 --> 04:09:08,110
those people reflect my values.

2912
04:09:09,430 --> 04:09:11,570
I feel like I really shouldn't have to worry

2913
04:09:11,570 --> 04:09:13,910
about the Berkeley City Council embracing

2914
04:09:13,910 --> 04:09:15,490
and the city of Berkeley embracing

2915
04:09:15,490 --> 04:09:18,110
the approaches and tools of fascism.

2916
04:09:18,130 --> 04:09:21,610
I'm appalled and limited that we're all here again tonight.

2917
04:09:22,230 --> 04:09:24,370
This dynamic where your constituents

2918
04:09:24,370 --> 04:09:32,690
you and droves to act in our best interest. And then the council acts at the opposite. It's

2919
04:09:32,690 --> 04:09:39,990
awful, it's disgusting, it's gross and I'm begging you literally on my knees please please do not

2920
04:09:39,990 --> 04:09:42,370
even forward with flock. Thank you.

2921
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:06,980
Hi, my name is Chelsea. I grew up on military bases. Just one second, I'm fixing the echo.

2922
04:10:10,820 --> 04:10:14,940
I grew up on military bases, specifically with

2923
04:10:16,160 --> 04:10:27,680
in depth knowledge about military warfare and psychological warfare. What flock is, is it's an arm for Naziism, it's an arm for the military, and it's a tool for direct psychological warfare and control.

2924
04:10:29,600 --> 04:10:36,260
And people know this. It's obvious. Follow the money. For example, the founders and the

2925
04:10:36,260 --> 04:10:43,300
people that pay for flock, Peter Teele. He's in charge of play on tear and sales intelligence

2926
04:10:43,300 --> 04:10:50,780
tools to ice, DHS, and the Pentagon. Another example, Marita Capital, gives flock a lot

2927
04:10:50,780 --> 04:10:56,120
of money and makes a lot of decisions that's owned by the U.S. military by the Air Force.

2928
04:10:56,120 --> 04:11:02,080
None of this is subtle. These firms, bankroll companies that surveil the tain or kill on the name of national security.

2929
04:11:03,120 --> 04:11:08,080
We don't want this furthermore.

2930
04:11:09,000 --> 04:11:11,660
I'd like to.

2931
04:11:12,460 --> 04:11:13,700
No, it's not.

2932
04:11:16,480 --> 04:11:18,740
Next is J.L.

2933
04:11:23,980 --> 04:11:25,240
Hi, can you hear me?

2934
04:11:25,860 --> 04:11:26,100
Yes.

2935
04:11:27,060 --> 04:11:27,500
Thank you.

2936
04:11:27,540 --> 04:11:32,860
I'm a longtime Berkeley community member. I've seen videos where members of the public can hack into these feeds.

2937
04:11:32,860 --> 04:11:40,680
That means anyone with the tools could use these feeds to follow a women home or could access playground feed and watch kids.

2938
04:11:42,400 --> 04:11:44,160
Which has already been reported in other cities?

2939
04:11:44,720 --> 04:11:48,680
Or could follow home someone who just bought something expensive and find out where they live in order to rob them?

2940
04:11:48,980 --> 04:11:54,320
So from those perspectives, thoughts flock actually introduces the possibility for more crimes to happen.

2941
04:11:55,380 --> 04:11:59,840
I've also seen reports where police themselves have used surveillance tools to follow their ex-partners around

2942
04:11:59,840 --> 04:12:03,620
Not because the partner was part of anything criminal, but rather because the officer was

2943
04:12:03,620 --> 04:12:04,940
facking up for personal reasons.

2944
04:12:05,520 --> 04:12:09,180
As someone else has said, there's no special wording that could possibly be used in a contract

2945
04:12:09,180 --> 04:12:11,160
that could ensure the data will be safe.

2946
04:12:11,400 --> 04:12:14,700
You can introduce fines, but this is a slap on the risk to a company like Flock.

2947
04:12:15,080 --> 04:12:18,760
Many cities are realizing that these risks, these are risks they do not want to take.

2948
04:12:19,480 --> 04:12:22,860
The legal risk that it opens the city too and the actual data security risk.

2949
04:12:23,140 --> 04:12:26,640
Many have canceled their contracts, and this is what Berkeley should do.

2950
04:12:26,640 --> 04:12:31,800
And so when else has said, please heed the warning from the city attorney and do not wait for me.

2951
04:12:31,880 --> 04:12:33,140
Thanks so much for your comments.

2952
04:12:36,070 --> 04:12:37,490
Next is Willemina.

2953
04:12:40,730 --> 04:12:42,950
Hi, this is Willemina Condon.

2954
04:12:44,070 --> 04:12:45,970
I'm in District 7.

2955
04:12:46,930 --> 04:12:59,650
And I'm watching these and coming to the city council meetings and I'm completely gobsfacked at how the council has set themselves up as sort of a paternalistic

2956
04:12:59,650 --> 04:13:06,190
no all, completely disregarding their constituents.

2957
04:13:07,330 --> 04:13:11,210
To me, this issue in the city of Berkeley is outrageous.

2958
04:13:11,790 --> 04:13:12,810
It's a no-brainer.

2959
04:13:13,370 --> 04:13:16,670
There's nothing that I've studied, nothing that I've heard

2960
04:13:16,670 --> 04:13:18,730
that makes this a good decision.

2961
04:13:19,450 --> 04:13:23,810
Please start representing us, not against us.

2962
04:13:23,850 --> 04:13:24,930
We're not your enemy.

2963
04:13:25,370 --> 04:13:26,650
We voted for you.

2964
04:13:26,650 --> 04:13:33,030
we would never have voted for you if you if we imagined that you would do something like this.

2965
04:13:34,430 --> 04:13:42,000
No, I'm flock. Thank you. Thank you. Next is Todd Andrew.

2966
04:13:47,940 --> 04:13:54,680
Oh, hi, Council. Can you hear me? Yes. Hey, Todd Andrew district five. I know this is a tough decision

2967
04:13:55,720 --> 04:14:01,820
and we all know that crime was coming down before the implementation of the cameras

2968
04:14:01,820 --> 04:14:05,060
And we all know that the cameras help to solve crime.

2969
04:14:05,560 --> 04:14:10,600
So it's a tough decision, but we have a regime at the federal level who has proved

2970
04:14:10,600 --> 04:14:17,700
lawless and unaccountable, along with their immigration and customer enforcement and customs

2971
04:14:17,700 --> 04:14:19,860
and border patrol agencies.

2972
04:14:21,080 --> 04:14:25,740
And we've had capitulations on the part of media, we've had capitulations on the part

2973
04:14:25,740 --> 04:14:30,860
of law firms and other organizations in this country who's to say, flock is not going to do

2974
04:14:30,860 --> 04:14:38,200
same thing. I would urge you can we keep please maybe the hardware in place for when the

2975
04:14:38,200 --> 04:14:43,500
Trump regime has been vanquished and then turn them back on once they are the hell out of here.

2976
04:14:43,800 --> 04:14:46,180
Thanks a lot. Thanks, Todd.

2977
04:14:48,880 --> 04:14:52,160
Next is Gigi.

2978
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:28,080
Aye, I'm Jackie Geronimo. I'm a resident of Alcerito, where we just successfully beat our flock contract. And like others, I frequently come to Berkeley to visit friends, go to restaurants, and check out your parks, and so while I'm relieved that I'm not going to be surveilled at home, I don't want to be watched when I come to your city. And your decision today is not about cameras. It's about flock. And I want to talk about how bad and toxic of a company flock is. Berkeley is a reputable city with a reputation of being a beacon of progressiveness.

2979
04:15:28,080 --> 04:15:31,860
So I don't really know what you all are doing, contracting with the most, that's just

2980
04:15:31,860 --> 04:15:34,220
reputable company on the market.

2981
04:15:34,720 --> 04:15:37,240
Engaging in mass surveillance is going to harness your reputation.

2982
04:15:37,560 --> 04:15:41,280
Fifty cities have already canceled their contracts, even ring, which is a mass surveillance

2983
04:15:41,280 --> 04:15:43,040
company has canceled its contracts.

2984
04:15:44,540 --> 04:15:49,020
You all need to wake up and realize that you are living in 1939 Germany, so whatever you

2985
04:15:49,020 --> 04:15:52,540
imagine that you would do if you were alive during Nazi Germany, you are doing that right

2986
04:15:52,540 --> 04:15:53,100
now.

2987
04:15:53,300 --> 04:15:57,880
How will you feel in 6 or 12 months when one of your residents starts disappearing, because

2988
04:15:57,880 --> 04:16:01,860
They were protesting and you have to live with the realization that you green with the technology

2989
04:16:01,860 --> 04:16:02,940
that made that possible.

2990
04:16:03,320 --> 04:16:04,360
How will you say that?

2991
04:16:04,480 --> 04:16:04,760
Thank you.

2992
04:16:08,680 --> 04:16:08,780
Thank you.

2993
04:16:08,780 --> 04:16:10,060
Next is Jen.

2994
04:16:10,540 --> 04:16:12,200
Jen, you should be able to unmute.

2995
04:16:13,240 --> 04:16:13,480
Hi.

2996
04:16:13,780 --> 04:16:19,060
I'm a district five resident and I strongly oppose doing business with flock and honestly I feel

2997
04:16:19,060 --> 04:16:22,460
a real sense of despair that we're even having this debate.

2998
04:16:22,920 --> 04:16:27,680
Flock has shown itself to be untrustworthy time and again and it seems to me to be magical

2999
04:16:27,680 --> 04:16:32,360
thinking to believe that Berkeley can somehow prevent data sharing when so many other jurisdictions

3000
04:16:33,100 --> 04:16:38,500
couldn't. The question before the council tonight is not simply one of local safety. I really

3001
04:16:38,500 --> 04:16:44,140
really wish it was, but unfortunately the real question here is whether Berkeley is going to voluntarily

3002
04:16:44,140 --> 04:16:51,080
contribute to a mass surveillance network that aids in humane political agendas and imperils the

3003
04:16:51,080 --> 04:16:57,480
privacy rights well being and sometimes the lives of countless people. Dr. Maya Angelou once said

3004
04:16:57,480 --> 04:17:03,380
when people show you who they are believe them the first time. Flux safety has shown us over

3005
04:17:03,380 --> 04:17:10,660
and over who they are please believe them and vote no on continuing to do business with flock. Thank you.

3006
04:17:12,100 --> 04:17:12,900
Thank you.

3007
04:17:15,270 --> 04:17:18,530
Next is the username just says iPhone.

3008
04:17:26,340 --> 04:17:32,880
If you continue to work with Flock, you will be personally responsible for the arrest of women

3009
04:17:32,880 --> 04:17:37,740
who have abortions, like happened in Texas when police performed a nationwide search

3010
04:17:37,740 --> 04:17:45,300
of cameras, last May, Flock employees accessing videos of children's gymnastics rooms,

3011
04:17:45,660 --> 04:17:51,820
a playground, a school, a Jewish community center, and a swimming pool in Atlanta, Georgia,

3012
04:17:51,820 --> 04:18:03,620
Police drawing guns on innocent families, including children, which happened in Arkansas, police dogs mulling innocent black drivers, like happened in West Hollywood just in March.

3013
04:18:04,440 --> 04:18:15,220
The detention and subsequent torture of immigrants, because according to the ACLU, records revealed that many flock searches were carried out by local officers on behalf of ICE.

3014
04:18:15,220 --> 04:18:20,360
stalking of romantic partners by police which has already been documented 14 times per the

3015
04:18:20,360 --> 04:18:25,720
justice institute. 75-year-old grandma was being repeatedly pulled over due to misidentified

3016
04:18:25,720 --> 04:18:31,340
plates which has happened in Boulder, Colorado over the last few months and countless other

3017
04:18:31,340 --> 04:18:33,060
crying moments.

3018
04:18:37,270 --> 04:18:39,530
Next is John Lindsay Poland.

3019
04:18:41,770 --> 04:18:45,370
There have been several claims this evening that

3020
04:18:45,370 --> 04:18:50,660
Richmond turned off its flood cameras that crime went up and this is just a misreading of the data.

3021
04:18:51,730 --> 04:18:57,030
Richmond's cameras went on in April 2023. They turned them off in November of 2025.

3022
04:18:57,850 --> 04:19:05,790
During that period between 2022 and 2024, robbery rates, when the time when the flood cameras were on,

3023
04:19:05,890 --> 04:19:14,230
robbery rates went up by 29%. Sexual assault went up by 22%. Vehicle theft went up by 6.6%

3024
04:19:14,230 --> 04:19:18,770
arson went up by 15% from the times when the flood cameras were off.

3025
04:19:19,170 --> 04:19:21,410
This is just a misstatement of the facts.

3026
04:19:21,950 --> 04:19:26,070
Crime responds to a lot of other things besides whether people are being watched.

3027
04:19:26,850 --> 04:19:32,490
And this is just not one more reason that you should be convinced.

3028
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:07,080
Hey guys, I'm yet another district five resident ashamed of my representative, really, really embarrassed.

3029
04:20:08,740 --> 04:20:15,760
I know you're not listening, your own lawyer and auditor have told you not to do this, and you're pushing through anyway. Two weeks ago,

3030
04:20:15,960 --> 04:20:22,940
we were talking about the $30 million deficit, but suddenly you found the money to pay for the lawsuits that are going to come from this.

3031
04:20:22,940 --> 04:20:30,740
Really proud of you for finding the money loved to know where it came from seems like there are better ways to spend tens of millions of dollars that your own lawyer

3032
04:20:30,740 --> 04:20:32,660
have told you your opening is up to

3033
04:20:34,240 --> 04:20:43,020
BPPPPPPD staffing issues have everything to do with the erosion of community trust and the fact that they're lying to you and us to get to get more toys

3034
04:20:43,020 --> 04:20:48,420
to play with the spy on us is not helping. It's actually hurting their own staffing issues and

3035
04:20:49,600 --> 04:20:52,660
The community trust that they keep claiming they want to build

3036
04:20:53,220 --> 04:20:54,820
It's not going to be built on this.

3037
04:20:54,960 --> 04:20:56,420
You want to spy on kids playgrounds.

3038
04:20:56,500 --> 04:20:59,240
You want to track down your ex-girlfriend.

3039
04:20:59,480 --> 04:21:00,700
Do it on somebody else's dime.

3040
04:21:01,240 --> 04:21:02,160
This is a bad idea.

3041
04:21:02,560 --> 04:21:03,180
I wish you'd listen.

3042
04:21:03,380 --> 04:21:03,920
We're all just standing.

3043
04:21:04,220 --> 04:21:05,220
Your time's up right now.

3044
04:21:09,890 --> 04:21:12,590
Next is Avery Arba.

3045
04:21:23,440 --> 04:21:23,920
Avery.

3046
04:21:24,400 --> 04:21:25,040
You're unmuted.

3047
04:21:28,750 --> 04:21:29,950
Avery, you're unmuted.

3048
04:21:30,170 --> 04:21:31,030
Can you hear us?

3049
04:21:39,670 --> 04:21:40,730
Avery, are you there?

3050
04:21:44,330 --> 04:21:45,250
Maybe we come back to that.

3051
04:21:45,250 --> 04:21:46,030
We'll come back.

3052
04:21:48,300 --> 04:21:50,400
Next is Anne Dixon.

3053
04:21:50,400 --> 04:21:51,320
I,

3054
04:21:55,740 --> 04:22:02,480
my name is Anna and I live in District 1, and I just wanted to also mention that I believe

3055
04:22:02,480 --> 04:22:09,060
Trevor has Trevor Chandler, Mr. Flawke, has clear conflicts of interest in this that he's

3056
04:22:09,060 --> 04:22:18,080
been working with us. He is not only a board member of the Bay Area Council, which their

3057
04:22:18,080 --> 04:22:22,920
public safety initiative has come to these meetings twice.

3058
04:22:23,080 --> 04:22:25,200
They were in here earlier and pushed flop.

3059
04:22:25,920 --> 04:22:28,640
He's also an elected member of the San Francisco

3060
04:22:28,640 --> 04:22:30,460
Democrat party.

3061
04:22:30,820 --> 04:22:32,880
And I just, this is way too close.

3062
04:22:33,820 --> 04:22:36,020
It's inappropriate for Berkeley.

3063
04:22:36,220 --> 04:22:38,840
And I think that Flock has, once again,

3064
04:22:39,020 --> 04:22:40,920
just wasted a bunch of people's time.

3065
04:22:41,480 --> 04:22:43,280
They cannot do what they say.

3066
04:22:43,860 --> 04:22:44,920
And I mean, this is inappropriate.

3067
04:22:44,920 --> 04:22:56,300
that we cannot actually prove a contract with what is going on, right now, like this has to be talked about before that. Thank you.

3068
04:22:58,570 --> 04:23:11,850
Thank you. Just so folks know we've got about 13 speakers that, but only about 11 minutes. Oh, sorry, 13 minutes. So it's so we might lose some folks because of the timing.

3069
04:23:11,850 --> 04:23:13,630
next is Vince.

3070
04:23:17,500 --> 04:23:39,060
Hi Vince Montemann district five. Excuse me, district five. A lot of the council questions really frustrated me earlier because I think we got bogged down and questions about our sanctuary policies or what language we can put in the contractor, what about this hypothetical.

3071
04:23:41,080 --> 04:23:46,060
But we're basically saying at the end of the day, we're going to build this surveillance state.

3072
04:23:47,640 --> 04:23:51,320
But Berkeley City Council is going to have control over it.

3073
04:23:51,780 --> 04:23:55,320
And I have an issue with that. I'm not comfortable with that.

3074
04:23:55,540 --> 04:24:01,140
I don't care if you're an left wing person or a right wing person or if you're the president or if you're the city council.

3075
04:24:01,960 --> 04:24:04,800
I don't want you to be spying on me no matter who you are.

3076
04:24:04,800 --> 04:24:10,260
So, I just feel like this is the type, you know, we like to march for no kings.

3077
04:24:10,400 --> 04:24:14,400
This is the type of system that a king would build to control the people.

3078
04:24:15,000 --> 04:24:18,500
So we have to oppose this, please don't know on this item.

3079
04:24:20,200 --> 04:24:21,080
Thank you.

3080
04:24:21,640 --> 04:24:23,140
Mark, can we try to get Avery back?

3081
04:24:23,360 --> 04:24:25,500
I think Avery's got their hand up again.

3082
04:24:27,480 --> 04:24:28,360
Uh, yes.

3083
04:24:31,220 --> 04:24:31,380
Who?

3084
04:24:32,560 --> 04:24:33,000
Avery?

3085
04:24:33,000 --> 04:24:33,300
Okay.

3086
04:24:33,980 --> 04:24:35,040
Avery, you're unmeated.

3087
04:24:35,640 --> 04:24:36,680
Can you hear me this time?

3088
04:24:36,680 --> 04:24:48,700
Yes. Okay, fantastic. Good evening, mayor, night mayor and council members. My name is Avery. I'm the chair of the Berkeley tenants union and head of the Berkeley tenant organizing task force.

3089
04:24:49,320 --> 04:24:59,980
After measure VB was passed, one of the first things are first building why tenants union to enter bargaining with their landlord fought for was a data privacy safety plan to protect.

3090
04:25:03,440 --> 04:25:05,560
Next is NB.

3091
04:25:09,960 --> 04:25:11,220
Hi there.

3092
04:25:12,740 --> 04:25:17,240
So, a lot of people are talking about drones, cameras, software, keeping that safe.

3093
04:25:17,440 --> 04:25:20,520
As others have said, there's no independent evidence, such as any of that.

3094
04:25:20,740 --> 04:25:25,280
The surveillance methods decrease crime, or improve clearance rates, right?

3095
04:25:25,300 --> 04:25:26,620
There's no independent studies on this.

3096
04:25:26,940 --> 04:25:33,900
But I also want to talk about what it means for us to do this, even if it did keep us safe,

3097
04:25:33,900 --> 04:25:42,260
We would be throwing everyone else under the bus in the states and localities that Mr. Fox said this stuff is legal right they follow the law

3098
04:25:42,260 --> 04:25:51,080
That means in Texas. They harass trans people and find women getting abortions in Kansas where they overnight made trans drivers life in the legal

3099
04:25:51,080 --> 04:25:56,120
They can track them down. So why would we give our money to this company help train their AI models?

3100
04:25:56,200 --> 04:26:01,790
It's impossible to remove data from an AI model once it's been trained. We don't have that capability. Why would we do that?

3101
04:26:01,790 --> 04:26:07,590
Even if it did keep us safe, why would we throw everyone else in the country under the bus, all of our marginalized communities?

3102
04:26:16,890 --> 04:26:18,170
Devon, you should be able to unmute.

3103
04:26:19,510 --> 04:26:19,690
Yeah.

3104
04:26:20,850 --> 04:26:22,330
Yeah, here I am. Can you hear me?

3105
04:26:22,430 --> 04:26:22,750
Yes.

3106
04:26:23,350 --> 04:26:25,230
Hi, my name is Dr. Devon Pestica.

3107
04:26:25,510 --> 04:26:30,050
I've lived in Berkeley for over 20 years and have been really happy here.

3108
04:26:30,090 --> 04:26:34,150
I live in District 3 with then Bartlett as my council member.

3109
04:26:34,150 --> 04:26:42,230
And I just can't believe I just heard that the license plates are automatically imaged.

3110
04:26:44,030 --> 04:26:50,390
I just can't believe like basically a system that I don't consent to.

3111
04:26:50,790 --> 04:26:56,070
And so many of us don't consent to will be just rolled out like this.

3112
04:26:56,070 --> 04:27:04,950
And I can't believe that Elistrito voted the flock proposal down and here in this progressive left-leaning city that I really have

3113
04:27:04,950 --> 04:27:12,770
expensive excited about living, living in, that they're actually believing that a private corporation will be

3114
04:27:12,770 --> 04:27:23,610
responsible and trustworthy with all of our surveillance data. And that the courts, of course, and federal agencies can

3115
04:27:23,610 --> 04:27:24,670
Go to the courts.

3116
04:27:25,150 --> 04:27:26,170
Thanks for your comment.

3117
04:27:26,730 --> 04:27:26,970
Time's up.

3118
04:27:27,570 --> 04:27:28,390
Next is Deb.

3119
04:27:31,800 --> 04:27:32,120
Hi.

3120
04:27:32,540 --> 04:27:36,940
I just wanted to point out what hasn't been discussed that there's a potential for increasing

3121
04:27:36,940 --> 04:27:43,740
costs over time with flocks, flocks, as a subscription service that they can raise their

3122
04:27:43,740 --> 04:27:47,220
fees over time and apparently they've done that with other jurisdictions.

3123
04:27:48,000 --> 04:27:54,320
So that's kind of another cost that the current council is putting us in for going forward.

3124
04:27:54,320 --> 04:27:55,460
Thank

3125
04:27:57,830 --> 04:27:59,950
you.

3126
04:28:02,980 --> 04:28:04,880
Next is Ann Parker.

3127
04:28:13,390 --> 04:28:13,870
Are you there?

3128
04:28:14,310 --> 04:28:14,930
Ann Parker.

3129
04:28:19,610 --> 04:28:20,750
Let me start over.

3130
04:28:20,850 --> 04:28:25,410
When I hear Mass surveillance being considered as a wave life in Berkeley, I just don't recognize

3131
04:28:25,410 --> 04:28:31,310
the city I've been for years as a student, mom, grandma, pediatrician.

3132
04:28:32,390 --> 04:28:34,670
I'm sure this is not the will of Berkeley residents.

3133
04:28:35,030 --> 04:28:37,530
What's the city council missing and why?

3134
04:28:37,530 --> 04:28:47,030
This is contrary to the reason we live in Berkeley and in this country, country built on generations of people who fled fascism and autocracy.

3135
04:28:47,850 --> 04:28:53,470
Please support democracy in several civil liberties and not democracy and distrust.

3136
04:28:53,770 --> 04:29:00,250
Safety is associated with communities, supporting communities through funding its institutions and not mass surveillance.

3137
04:29:00,250 --> 04:29:15,210
Please hear us hear the majority of those thinking you hear tonight, and the majority of citizens in Berkeley, both against surveillance and begin by voting against this contract with floss for many reasons presented tonight.

3138
04:29:15,630 --> 04:29:16,910
Most of us,

3139
04:29:19,410 --> 04:29:23,330
and most law, rethink supporting fascist.

3140
04:29:23,390 --> 04:29:24,050
Thank you.

3141
04:30:00,050 --> 04:30:19,090
Hello, can you hear me? Yes. Hi, I'm a district five resident and I just wanted to come here tonight to say that like I've listened to everybody's wonderful comments. I've learned a lot from everybody here and whether or not you are

3142
04:30:19,090 --> 04:30:26,670
or against or whatever your political leanings are or whatever whether you believe that we're living under fascism and whatnot.

3143
04:30:27,850 --> 04:30:43,090
It doesn't matter that there has been decades, decades of research into the sorts of things that can be done by a community and a civil infrastructure to reduce the crime to stop crime.

3144
04:30:43,710 --> 04:31:07,090
the surveillance infrastructure is never one of those things. I mean, somebody brought up the Patriot Act earlier and I just wanted to bounce off that because the Patriot Act has been around longer than I've been alive and my whole life I've been hearing about crime crime crime and the Patriot Act is it gives intelligence agencies and the government the ability to

3145
04:31:14,300 --> 04:31:24,060
I am a black mom and tenant organizer in District 7, demanding that you reject and cancel the contract with Flock expansion of the fascist maga police surveillance state.

3146
04:31:24,740 --> 04:31:30,280
Flock is a fascist escalation diametrically and irritate considerably opposed to Berkeley sanctuary city policy.

3147
04:31:30,280 --> 04:31:35,420
There's no way to ethically vote to deploy flock in a quote-unquote sanctuary city, and there's

3148
04:31:35,420 --> 04:31:40,460
especially no way to ethically ignore a vast majority of Berkeley civilian constituents,

3149
04:31:41,100 --> 04:31:45,520
legal counsel, UC research, and the police accountability board, all of whom overwhelmingly

3150
04:31:45,520 --> 04:31:51,660
reject this, listen, no on flock, cancel the contract, reject flock, and break democracy.

3151
04:31:52,040 --> 04:31:56,800
If you still plan to vote for a flock tonight, you should just resign instead, before expanding

3152
04:31:56,800 --> 04:31:59,700
the most of various surveillance technology in the world,

3153
04:31:59,920 --> 04:32:02,300
develop resources to essential tech-like public zoom

3154
04:32:02,300 --> 04:32:05,180
meetings that don't boot constituents multiple times

3155
04:32:05,180 --> 04:32:06,580
in between pandemics.

3156
04:32:06,920 --> 04:32:09,280
Do not wait for further harm to come to your constituents,

3157
04:32:09,980 --> 04:32:11,720
community and neighbors like Martinez,

3158
04:32:11,980 --> 04:32:14,360
not five times, and the giant psychological toll

3159
04:32:14,360 --> 04:32:16,620
of knowing that we are being stalked undemocratically

3160
04:32:16,620 --> 04:32:18,180
by local police and government.

3161
04:32:18,220 --> 04:32:19,740
Right now, in a time set.

3162
04:32:20,600 --> 04:32:22,100
Next is Distavo.

3163
04:32:28,400 --> 04:32:37,400
Um, Gustavo Espinoza, high performance computing machine learning engineer, um, one thing I want to bring up is that

3164
04:32:38,740 --> 04:32:44,400
Flock the whole, I mean, in terms of an efficiency thing, the technology is just not

3165
04:32:44,400 --> 04:32:51,200
efficient. The models are open source, you're able to find them online, and you're essentially just paying for

3166
04:32:51,200 --> 04:32:59,880
Server $2 million for Server costs. That doesn't really make sense. You could just hire an engineer to do this stuff for you.

3167
04:33:02,000 --> 04:33:06,640
There's no fiscal reason why you would invest $2 million in the flock.

3168
04:33:07,380 --> 04:33:13,140
Lastly, there's something I do want to bring up. There's been a lot of parallel between Palestine and Israel

3169
04:33:13,140 --> 04:33:21,140
and it's kind of weird that Mr. Flock used to be associated with a pack up until like 2018, 2019.

3170
04:33:23,400 --> 04:33:24,920
That's kind of telling.

3171
04:33:29,700 --> 04:33:32,740
There's more to say about the title if anyone's curious.

3172
04:33:33,320 --> 04:33:34,300
Thanks for your time, sir.

3173
04:33:34,600 --> 04:33:36,160
Next is KC.

3174
04:33:36,880 --> 04:33:40,860
There's only three people left. I'd like to let them go.

3175
04:33:41,880 --> 04:33:41,960
So...

3176
04:33:41,960 --> 04:33:43,000
Well, there's more reason.

3177
04:33:43,000 --> 04:33:47,200
Well, I'm going to take those three people that we just said that we're left.

3178
04:33:48,500 --> 04:33:48,780
Hi.

3179
04:33:48,960 --> 04:33:50,000
This is Karen Chen.

3180
04:33:50,140 --> 04:33:51,860
I'm a resident of district four.

3181
04:33:52,080 --> 04:33:55,700
I've been here for the past five years in Berglien's 60 for six years.

3182
04:33:57,080 --> 04:34:02,880
I just want to encourage the council and the mayor to vote no on this contract because

3183
04:34:02,880 --> 04:34:03,860
it is.

3184
04:34:04,000 --> 04:34:08,500
This type of surveillance technology is very clearly counter to the aim of community safety

3185
04:34:08,500 --> 04:34:15,900
and obviously a drain on taxpayer resources. Thank you. Thank you.

3186
04:34:15,900 --> 04:34:20,680
And next is Kelly Hammergren.

3187
04:34:32,830 --> 04:34:38,200
Kelly should be able to show us that you're unmuted.

3188
04:34:40,950 --> 04:34:42,490
Kelly, can you hear us? You're unmuted.

3189
04:34:42,490 --> 04:34:43,290
and

3190
04:34:47,160 --> 04:34:52,640
we can come back to Kelly C Rock.

3191
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:09,760
Aye, aye, aye, give anything. Mayor and members of the city council, my name is Syracmy Kiel. I actually am right outside, but just came back from the housing advisory commission.

3192
04:35:10,640 --> 04:35:13,600
We will not be safe with any version of a flood contract.

3193
04:35:14,140 --> 04:35:19,600
Flock, which has already shared data with ICE, will not fight in a court order to protect the city's data.

3194
04:35:20,200 --> 04:35:27,060
There is nothing we can put in our contract to prevent flood from sharing this, and previous violations of the law and contract by Flock.

3195
04:35:27,060 --> 04:35:31,020
Cities were unaware of data privacy breaches until after they already happened.

3196
04:35:31,460 --> 04:35:35,360
In several cases, city officials still don't know the extent of what happened with their

3197
04:35:35,360 --> 04:35:38,600
constituent state of violations could happen without any of us knowing.

3198
04:35:39,020 --> 04:35:44,220
Law enforcement have violated, fault contracts, and use private data to detain immigrants,

3199
04:35:44,600 --> 04:35:48,160
punish people seeking abortions that even sought ex-partners of police officers.

3200
04:35:48,740 --> 04:35:53,240
And even if we believe BPD's claim that flock will result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in savings,

3201
04:35:53,240 --> 04:35:55,780
which I do not. This contract exposes the city

3202
04:35:55,780 --> 04:35:57,440
to tens of millions of dollars in liability.

3203
04:35:57,960 --> 04:35:59,660
As documented, the city attorney's memos

3204
04:35:59,660 --> 04:36:00,960
provided to the daily call.

3205
04:36:01,200 --> 04:36:02,820
Please, doesn't community and stop, fuck.

3206
04:36:03,440 --> 04:36:04,020
Thanks, Eric.

3207
04:36:05,500 --> 04:36:08,680
I see, uh, Mark, I see Kelly's iPad that probably is Kelly.

3208
04:36:08,920 --> 04:36:10,900
Yes. And that would be our last speaker.

3209
04:36:14,470 --> 04:36:16,210
Okay, can you hear me this time?

3210
04:36:16,430 --> 04:36:19,170
Yes, we can. You are a final speaker for this evening.

3211
04:36:19,910 --> 04:36:21,550
Oh, that's a big responsibility.

3212
04:36:21,550 --> 04:36:22,170
ability.

3213
04:36:25,660 --> 04:36:32,180
You know, people have said so much tonight. It's hard to even add anything to that.

3214
04:36:32,780 --> 04:36:39,280
Flock. Flock is a nationwide surveillance system. It's the wrong decision. It's the wrong way to go.

3215
04:36:39,640 --> 04:36:45,740
And I plead with you, plead with you, to say no to Flock.

3216
04:36:45,740 --> 04:36:55,760
It, um, there just isn't anything good that I have been able to find about, except looking

3217
04:36:55,760 --> 04:37:04,480
at the Flock website maybe, but everything else I pick up is about all the problems with

3218
04:37:04,480 --> 04:37:11,880
Flock and how data is shared and misused, and we just shouldn't be doing that in the city

3219
04:37:11,880 --> 04:37:20,180
Berkeley. So I plead with you to please say no. And if there hadn't been a line I'd be

3220
04:37:20,180 --> 04:37:22,460
there in person. Thanks Kelly.

3221
04:37:27,060 --> 04:37:31,220
Hey, thank you so much everyone. I appreciate hearing all of

3222
04:37:31,220 --> 04:37:35,600
the public comments. We have now had three hours of public comment, two hours in person,

3223
04:37:35,920 --> 04:37:41,540
one hour of mine. So we will now move on to council comments. Starting with council member,

3224
04:37:41,540 --> 04:37:48,020
back. Great. Thank you, Madam Mayor. So it started first. I just wanted to thank everyone

3225
04:37:48,020 --> 04:37:55,500
who came for speaking out and singing out as the case may be tonight. Over the past few weeks

3226
04:37:55,500 --> 04:38:02,120
and especially the last couple of days I've heard from many residents on all sides of this issue.

3227
04:38:02,620 --> 04:38:08,780
I appreciate all the thoughtful emails and phone calls we've received from folks in district six

3228
04:38:08,780 --> 04:38:13,060
from former colleagues on the police kind of building board, from local business owners,

3229
04:38:13,260 --> 04:38:17,020
from members of the Berkeley Immigration, Collective, and so many others.

3230
04:38:17,700 --> 04:38:22,000
And today with the benefit of that feedback and that input, I want to share how I'm making this decision

3231
04:38:22,000 --> 04:38:27,880
weighing these many factors. The concerns that I have heard, I know many of us have heard

3232
04:38:27,880 --> 04:38:34,300
from constituents are real and serious. Data privacy, the risk of federal authority is gaining access

3233
04:38:34,300 --> 04:38:38,500
the local data and the safety of vulnerable members of our community.

3234
04:38:39,260 --> 04:38:43,480
Given the Trump administration's aggressively unlawful immigration enforcement actions,

3235
04:38:43,920 --> 04:38:46,100
those worries are not abstract.

3236
04:38:46,780 --> 04:38:50,980
I take them seriously and they have shaped how I'm approaching this vote.

3237
04:38:52,180 --> 04:38:56,380
Berkeley's police department is among the finest in the country.

3238
04:38:57,160 --> 04:39:03,800
Chief Louis, Deputy Chief Tate Mr. Momburg and our officers serve our community every day

3239
04:39:03,800 --> 04:39:07,860
with professionalism, intelligence, dedication, and compassion.

3240
04:39:08,820 --> 04:39:14,360
I strongly support the work of the BPD and everything they do to keep our community safe every day.

3241
04:39:15,000 --> 04:39:19,540
I also strongly support the use of modern technology with clear guardrails and frequent

3242
04:39:19,540 --> 04:39:21,340
audits to advance public safety.

3243
04:39:22,220 --> 04:39:26,320
ALPR technology has proven, I think you'll like what I would say.

3244
04:39:26,920 --> 04:39:30,220
ALPR technology has proven to be an important investigative tool.

3245
04:39:30,220 --> 04:39:35,700
Over the past 18 months, Fawke LPRs have assisted Berkeley police in more than 161 cases,

3246
04:39:36,040 --> 04:39:40,380
contributing to 83 arrests involving serious crimes, such as attempted homicide,

3247
04:39:40,580 --> 04:39:47,680
hitting runs, car jackings, assaults, and kidnappings, including six alerts in just one day last week

3248
04:39:47,680 --> 04:39:51,160
that led to a series of investigative follow-ups.

3249
04:39:51,920 --> 04:39:53,920
Behind these numbers are real people.

3250
04:39:54,360 --> 04:39:59,480
I heard earlier tonight, people were trying to discount the numbers, but these are all real people

3251
04:39:59,480 --> 04:39:59,980
and ff

3252
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:06,060
That I got from the Department. The District 6 alone, ALPRs have helped us solve a series of home invasion

3253
04:40:06,060 --> 04:40:13,620
robberies, recover stolen vehicles, apprehend a roofing and construction scam, rain, yes,

3254
04:40:13,780 --> 04:40:22,260
those exist, and get justice for a sexual assault victim. These people matter too. Some

3255
04:40:22,260 --> 04:40:26,660
critics have suggested that we hire more police officers instead of licensing technology tools.

3256
04:40:27,340 --> 04:40:29,680
Unfortunately, this is a false choice.

3257
04:40:30,420 --> 04:40:33,000
Despite focused work on recruitment and retention,

3258
04:40:33,620 --> 04:40:37,000
BPD has been understaffed for years, not for the lack of effort,

3259
04:40:37,320 --> 04:40:40,740
but this is a hard market to recruit and retain police officers.

3260
04:40:41,460 --> 04:40:44,460
And just the past few months, Berkeley has lost six officers

3261
04:40:44,460 --> 04:40:47,040
to San Francisco's aggressive recruitment campaign.

3262
04:40:47,740 --> 04:40:50,680
We can't just hire our way out of this.

3263
04:40:50,900 --> 04:40:53,460
On the contrary, providing officers with effective tools

3264
04:40:53,460 --> 04:40:57,320
is part of how we recruit and retain them.

3265
04:40:57,700 --> 04:41:02,440
Walking away from modern technology would make our staff in problem worse, not better.

3266
04:41:03,440 --> 04:41:08,320
At the same time, the city must ensure that any public safety technology is

3267
04:41:08,320 --> 04:41:11,820
prepared from a company that can earn and maintain the public's trust.

3268
04:41:12,460 --> 04:41:16,960
That community trust is crucial to me and to everyone up here.

3269
04:41:16,960 --> 04:41:25,000
Flock has faced criticism for past data sharing practices rightfully so, involving outside agencies without local authorization.

3270
04:41:25,680 --> 04:41:29,880
These concerns of understandably created real skepticism within parts of our community.

3271
04:41:30,080 --> 04:41:32,840
We've heard much of it here tonight. I've heard much of it over the last couple of weeks.

3272
04:41:33,680 --> 04:41:36,300
They want careful consideration before moving forward.

3273
04:41:37,000 --> 04:41:43,120
I know Flock has indicated that they have taken steps to remediate, but the outcome remains to be seen.

3274
04:41:47,240 --> 04:41:49,420
As I mentioned from the start,

3275
04:41:49,420 --> 04:42:00,260
This technology is important for Berkeley, but equally important is making sure that we get this decision right, and build the public trust that we need in our decision making process.

3276
04:42:00,780 --> 04:42:06,180
I have full confidence in Chief Lewis and the professionalism of our officers in uniform and the BPD staff.

3277
04:42:07,080 --> 04:42:13,740
We should be equally sure that the tools that we license these same superior standards of performance.

3278
04:42:13,740 --> 04:42:19,360
I believe tonight it's more important to get it right than to get it fast.

3279
04:42:20,100 --> 04:42:22,180
So I propose that we do take that time.

3280
04:42:23,080 --> 04:42:29,300
So for the purposes of moving the process forward and I look forward to comments from my colleagues.

3281
04:42:30,060 --> 04:42:34,960
I've got a multiple part motion and I'll try and lay it out for Mark because I know he's

3282
04:42:34,960 --> 04:42:35,820
right and fast.

3283
04:42:36,860 --> 04:42:42,680
So the motion would be starting with the chief's updated proposal as the base motion.

3284
04:42:43,220 --> 04:42:49,800
as amended by the Supplemental from Mayor Issue, Council Member Runa Park, Council Member Traygad.

3285
04:42:50,280 --> 04:42:53,680
There are sections one through six, eight and nine.

3286
04:42:54,820 --> 04:43:00,360
Not to move forward, we will not move forward with the MSA, the full MSA execution, as proposed.

3287
04:43:01,080 --> 04:43:02,180
Do you want to see what MSA means?

3288
04:43:02,220 --> 04:43:02,580
That's all right.

3289
04:43:02,700 --> 04:43:04,980
We will not move forward with the full contract at this point.

3290
04:43:05,600 --> 04:43:10,880
We will refer to the C Manager, the Initiation of an RFP process, and consultation with police

3291
04:43:10,880 --> 04:43:14,820
kind of build a board in BPD for each of the components and for their integration.

3292
04:43:16,880 --> 04:43:22,400
Through that RFP period, extend the ALPR contract, incorporating as many contract changes

3293
04:43:22,400 --> 04:43:27,120
as possible from the Humberit BlackBee Supplementals plus the letter that we received back

3294
04:43:27,120 --> 04:43:33,460
from flock that indicated acceptance of some of those contract terms and to take no action

3295
04:43:33,460 --> 04:43:36,260
on item 1B on tonight's agenda.

3296
04:43:36,960 --> 04:43:42,020
So, yeah, I just want to thank everyone second by motion, and thank you for thanks for listening.

3297
04:43:43,380 --> 04:43:43,700
Thank you.

3298
04:43:44,100 --> 04:43:45,900
The second was from Council Member Humberg.

3299
04:43:48,940 --> 04:43:50,780
So, yeah, you're in the queue.

3300
04:43:51,400 --> 04:44:00,160
So, I would also like to ask that we sever the part of your motion that was referring

3301
04:44:00,160 --> 04:44:07,960
to our portions, the 1 through 6, 8 and 9 from the supplemental, and I can just request to do

3302
04:44:07,960 --> 04:44:08,100
that.

3303
04:44:08,240 --> 04:44:09,700
So I'm going to do that.

3304
04:44:10,260 --> 04:44:14,900
And then, yeah, does anyone else have anything about this particular motion before we

3305
04:44:14,900 --> 04:44:15,800
continue on?

3306
04:44:16,600 --> 04:44:17,360
Is it symmetrical?

3307
04:44:18,180 --> 04:44:18,580
Yes.

3308
04:44:18,900 --> 04:44:23,960
So the sections, 1 through 6, let me just pull it up.

3309
04:44:23,960 --> 04:44:30,920
And yeah, they are referring to the use the policies around the items themselves.

3310
04:44:31,820 --> 04:44:40,660
And then specifically our asking number eight is referred to the City Manager to amend

3311
04:44:40,660 --> 04:44:46,300
ordinance 2.99 to include a violation slash termination clause for surveillance technology

3312
04:44:46,300 --> 04:44:46,660
vendors.

3313
04:44:46,660 --> 04:44:59,900
And number nine was referred to the City Manager in City Attorney, additional contractual language required vendor to inform the city of any request for information, including but not limited to Sapena's discovery request.

3314
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:10,660
And through the RFP period, it is for a period of up to 12 months. If we figure out sooner and end up somewhere sooner, you know, we can move sooner, but the extension goes up to 12 months for that RFP period.

3315
04:45:11,240 --> 04:45:17,320
Okay. Thank you. All right. Let's go through the comments. Council member Trigab. Can I clarify quickly? Yes.

3316
04:45:17,320 --> 04:45:28,200
We are severing the supplemental and not the ALPR, the part of the motion that includes

3317
04:45:29,080 --> 04:45:33,240
our supplemental pieces because then we can just vote on that separately.

3318
04:45:34,940 --> 04:45:39,340
Okay, I think I'm still confused, but I'll just, okay, we can we can check in about that.

3319
04:45:39,560 --> 04:45:42,220
All right, Council Member Trigger, Vice Mayor Trigger.

3320
04:45:43,280 --> 04:45:44,500
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

3321
04:45:45,300 --> 04:45:53,120
Everyone wants to feel and be safe, and based on lived experiences, safety means different things to different people.

3322
04:45:53,920 --> 04:46:02,180
For businesses and many of our residents, it might mean having cameras and other technologies that help the poor perpetrators of workplace and workplace.

3323
04:46:02,920 --> 04:46:13,460
And to many other Barclay residents, particularly within our most vulnerable communities, it might mean being free from state surveillance and potential prosecution.

3324
04:46:13,460 --> 04:46:19,920
and just for their existence in this country, all of these perspectives are ones that I

3325
04:46:19,920 --> 04:46:25,620
heard from constituents and other Barclay neighbors. All these are to be held with equal

3326
04:46:25,620 --> 04:46:32,640
humanity as we make our decision. For my first hand experience is an immigrant, and as a member

3327
04:46:32,640 --> 04:46:38,220
of a vibrant immigrant community, I can tell you that these fears are grounded in the current

3328
04:46:38,220 --> 04:46:43,960
reality, especially now in the current national climate and current administration, where

3329
04:46:43,960 --> 04:46:49,800
data has been accessed and used in their hands in ways that could undermine Berkeley's

3330
04:46:49,800 --> 04:46:51,080
sanctuary city commitments.

3331
04:46:52,140 --> 04:46:57,280
BPD has demonstrated that there are great community partners and approach their work with

3332
04:46:57,280 --> 04:47:00,540
a strong sensitivity towards all community members.

3333
04:47:01,240 --> 04:47:07,120
I agree that providing our hardworking police officers with effective tools is critically

3334
04:47:07,120 --> 04:47:07,680
important.

3335
04:47:09,700 --> 04:47:15,320
At the same time, vetting these tools with careful consideration is equally as important

3336
04:47:15,320 --> 04:47:20,600
and makes all the difference in our community's trust and city government. Over the last several

3337
04:47:20,600 --> 04:47:25,900
months, the prevailing concern and theme among my district for constituents has been trust.

3338
04:47:26,440 --> 04:47:33,260
A quick blonde rinse of them, conservatively, nearly 95 percent of the over 150 who have contacted

3339
04:47:33,260 --> 04:47:39,840
my office have expressed grave concerns about flock. History and evidence have shown that, however,

3340
04:47:40,100 --> 04:47:45,240
well-meaning its admissions may be tonight, the vendor lacks accountability, and therefore

3341
04:47:45,240 --> 04:47:52,320
cannot be relied on as a trusted partner, I share those concerns. Tonight for being asked to expand

3342
04:47:52,320 --> 04:47:57,600
the system without comprehensive documentation of procurement requirements and without a full

3343
04:47:57,600 --> 04:47:58,860
evaluation of alternatives.

3344
04:47:59,720 --> 04:48:02,480
We're also being asked to do so without ever assessing

3345
04:48:02,480 --> 04:48:05,740
the surveillance system as a whole, not just individual

3346
04:48:05,740 --> 04:48:08,220
components like license plate readers or cameras,

3347
04:48:08,800 --> 04:48:11,500
but the combined network, including 12 and 10-year-old time

3348
04:48:11,500 --> 04:48:14,720
monitoring and its cumulative impact on cost, data use,

3349
04:48:14,920 --> 04:48:15,680
and civil liberties.

3350
04:48:16,780 --> 04:48:21,740
A competitive RFB process would allow us to define

3351
04:48:21,740 --> 04:48:24,300
our needs clearly compare multiple vendors

3352
04:48:24,300 --> 04:48:26,520
and consider a different system designs.

3353
04:48:27,520 --> 04:48:29,880
Furthermore, diversifying our vendors

3354
04:48:29,880 --> 04:48:33,160
would create resilient, senior public safety technologies.

3355
04:48:34,760 --> 04:48:37,340
Flock has made at least four changes to standard terms

3356
04:48:37,340 --> 04:48:39,520
and conditions in the last seven months,

3357
04:48:39,820 --> 04:48:43,020
leading to their most recent February, 2020,

3358
04:48:43,180 --> 04:48:44,520
six version of the contract.

3359
04:48:45,200 --> 04:48:47,900
All of these changes deserve careful consideration

3360
04:48:47,900 --> 04:48:50,580
before renewing our city's contract with Flock.

3361
04:48:51,260 --> 04:48:53,380
While the city technically owns the data,

3362
04:48:53,380 --> 04:48:58,440
The company appears to control how and when we can access it in and what format.

3363
04:48:58,720 --> 04:49:01,760
Grazing weird questions about what ownership means in practice.

3364
04:49:02,540 --> 04:49:06,460
The company now claims a perpetual right to use our data to improve its services,

3365
04:49:07,140 --> 04:49:10,560
although those terms may have been adjusted.

3366
04:49:12,280 --> 04:49:16,660
And the agreement expands protections against liability for real-full misconduct

3367
04:49:16,660 --> 04:49:22,280
across negligence shifting responsibility away from flock and taken together these changes

3368
04:49:22,280 --> 04:49:24,320
which shift control from the city

3369
04:49:24,320 --> 04:49:27,260
and towards the vendor, increasing long-term risks.

3370
04:49:29,750 --> 04:49:32,170
There are also real concerns about how data

3371
04:49:32,170 --> 04:49:34,850
might be used beyond our local control.

3372
04:49:35,370 --> 04:49:37,010
We have heard from residents who worry

3373
04:49:37,010 --> 04:49:38,930
that surveillance data could be subpoenaed

3374
04:49:39,370 --> 04:49:41,330
or accessed by federal agencies

3375
04:49:41,330 --> 04:49:44,810
in ways that conflict with partly sanctuary city values.

3376
04:49:45,690 --> 04:49:46,510
And I was.

3377
04:49:47,030 --> 04:49:49,410
The perception alone of this happening here,

3378
04:49:49,490 --> 04:49:52,030
can a world trust and public safety depends

3379
04:49:52,030 --> 04:49:59,970
on people feeling protected not monitored. For all of these reasons, I will support any

3380
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:07,240
Any effort of this council to pause an expansion of this contract and conduct a formal competitive procurement

3381
04:50:07,240 --> 04:50:13,560
process. We should evaluate alternatives fully understand the cost and risks, seek legal guidance

3382
04:50:13,560 --> 04:50:18,860
on these evolving contract terms and ensure that any system we adopt aligns with our values

3383
04:50:18,860 --> 04:50:24,320
of transparency, accountability and civil liberties. This is not about projecting technology

3384
04:50:24,320 --> 04:50:30,920
out right, it is about making sure we get it right. Tonight's decision is not just about

3385
04:50:30,920 --> 04:50:36,280
a contract. It is about whether we uphold the standards of good governance, protect the

3386
04:50:36,280 --> 04:50:41,120
rights of a resident, and build the kind of trust on which the community safety depends.

3387
04:50:41,360 --> 04:50:42,240
Thank you.

3388
04:50:42,560 --> 04:50:45,180
Thank you. Okay.

3389
04:50:49,170 --> 04:50:52,510
Tell some of our lunar par was right. I meant to sever the portion of

3390
04:50:52,510 --> 04:50:55,030
contract, which was just the extension of ALPR.

3391
04:50:55,710 --> 04:50:56,450
So, thank you.

3392
04:50:58,830 --> 04:51:01,130
So, are you changing?

3393
04:51:01,710 --> 04:51:06,930
I'm just saying the sever was just the ALPR extension piece.

3394
04:51:06,930 --> 04:51:08,350
So, we'll vote on that piece.

3395
04:51:08,450 --> 04:51:09,410
Oh, that's all.

3396
04:51:09,410 --> 04:51:11,730
Okay, everything else will stay together.

3397
04:51:12,090 --> 04:51:12,530
Yes, that's all.

3398
04:51:12,610 --> 04:51:12,890
Thank you.

3399
04:51:13,210 --> 04:51:13,450
Okay.

3400
04:51:14,350 --> 04:51:14,850
It's speaking off.

3401
04:51:14,950 --> 04:51:15,390
It's your turn.

3402
04:51:19,420 --> 04:51:21,060
Okay, thank you very much, Madam Mayor.

3403
04:51:21,580 --> 04:51:25,420
Thank you to our police chief, Deputy Chief Tate.

3404
04:51:25,420 --> 04:51:36,040
Mr. Maulberg, Ms. Lee, Mr. Chandler, as well as all of the public commenters and those who were in person,

3405
04:51:36,140 --> 04:51:43,440
as well as on Zoom and I also want to thank those who have emailed, have engaged with us in other

3406
04:51:43,440 --> 04:51:48,780
ways who are unable to be here tonight, as well as those who did so during our last meeting in March.

3407
04:51:48,780 --> 04:51:57,160
And I know this is a really contentious issue with strong opinions and I just want you

3408
04:51:57,160 --> 04:52:04,400
to know that I have heard your public comments and like my colleagues, I'm concerned

3409
04:52:04,400 --> 04:52:08,360
about the data sharing breaches that have occurred in the past with this vendor.

3410
04:52:09,160 --> 04:52:15,520
I know that we will never have what some are seeking, which is this 100% guarantee that

3411
04:52:15,520 --> 04:52:22,120
want to occur in the future. But I do feel reassured by what we heard from Mr. Chandler tonight

3412
04:52:22,120 --> 04:52:27,780
about the way that Flock has adapted to data security concerns by changing the capabilities

3413
04:52:27,780 --> 04:52:36,360
of its system. One of the public commenters asked why some of us are open to extending or renewing

3414
04:52:36,360 --> 04:52:42,180
this contract. And so I, you know, I just want to be honest about it. It's when you are an elected

3415
04:52:42,180 --> 04:52:50,460
official, you don't have the luxury of just listening to who has the time to come to the meeting

3416
04:52:50,460 --> 04:52:56,640
in person and share their opinion. You have to consider everyone that you represent. I happen

3417
04:52:56,640 --> 04:53:03,460
to represent 15,000 people in my district. Some of them have been victims of serious violent crime.

3418
04:53:04,900 --> 04:53:10,760
A big consideration for me are the crimes that have been solved by the use of automated licensed

3419
04:53:10,760 --> 04:53:15,480
plate reader technology, you know, some people are talking about stats, you know, in

3420
04:53:15,480 --> 04:53:25,440
2025, Berkeley police made at least 52 arrests for burglaries, robberies, sexual assault,

3421
04:53:25,940 --> 04:53:31,760
and homicide, homicide directly from ALPR data.

3422
04:53:32,520 --> 04:53:37,880
And they use a network to issue all 29 other cases, you can disagree, but you cannot interrupt

3423
04:53:37,880 --> 04:53:38,280
her.

3424
04:53:38,280 --> 04:53:44,920
And respectfully, I have not heard anyone against the fraught contract renewal propose how,

3425
04:53:44,920 --> 04:53:48,820
how will we solve these serious violent crimes?

3426
04:53:49,360 --> 04:53:55,100
If we fail to at least extend this contract for 12 months, to give ourselves more time

3427
04:53:55,100 --> 04:53:56,520
to weigh our options.

3428
04:54:01,080 --> 04:54:05,440
So as an elected official, I have to think about the worst outcome.

3429
04:54:05,440 --> 04:54:21,020
And that is the possibility that if we do not extend this contract for at least 12 months that I will be responsible for the serious and dangerous outcome of violent criminals who are not caught and arrested.

3430
04:54:23,040 --> 04:54:29,980
Also wait on my conscience with equal weight as the possibility of a data breach.

3431
04:54:30,660 --> 04:54:36,940
So that is why we have been elected to make these hard decisions to weigh difficult

3432
04:54:36,940 --> 04:54:38,980
competing trade-offs.

3433
04:54:39,900 --> 04:54:41,500
And that's what we are doing tonight.

3434
04:54:42,880 --> 04:54:44,280
And I thank you for listening.

3435
04:54:44,620 --> 04:54:46,640
I listen to you for three hours tonight.

3436
04:54:46,640 --> 04:54:54,980
I listen to you for maybe five hours last night, last time in March, and I thank you for listening to me.

3437
04:54:55,620 --> 04:54:56,580
Thank you.

3438
04:54:59,420 --> 04:54:59,760
Folks.

3439
04:55:02,490 --> 04:55:10,270
All right, so we're going to go to council member Luna Paa and then we're going to go online to council member Taplin.

3440
04:55:12,210 --> 04:55:26,810
Thank you. We made a promise to our immigrant residents. We told them in January 2025 to go live a normal life, to go to school, to work, to grocery store, and to believe us that we would do everything in our power to keep them safe.

3441
04:55:26,810 --> 04:55:33,830
We asked them to place their trust in us, and passing this contract would be a slap in the face to those who did trust us.

3442
04:55:36,090 --> 04:55:44,730
I feel exhausted and deeply deeply disappointed that our promises to our residents and our values of sanctuary are so shallow, so fragile,

3443
04:55:45,210 --> 04:55:48,570
that we are not willing to back them up the minute we have to give up even the smallest thing.

3444
04:55:48,650 --> 04:55:52,270
In this case, technology that we have no proof does anything to deter crime.

3445
04:55:54,800 --> 04:56:00,600
I am so frustrated that we have made our community members and organizations who spend their scarce

3446
04:56:00,600 --> 04:56:05,320
time and resources fighting endlessly on behalf of our immigrant residents facing the wrath

3447
04:56:05,320 --> 04:56:09,620
of the federal government argue with the city of Berkeley instead. They are organizing legal

3448
04:56:09,620 --> 04:56:14,040
support. They are camping out at day labor spots to watch out for ice and we are supposed to be

3449
04:56:14,040 --> 04:56:18,580
their allies and instead we are working as if we were purposely trying to waste their time.

3450
04:56:20,540 --> 04:56:26,260
It is easy to say that we support immigrants and transgender people and pregnant people

3451
04:56:26,260 --> 04:56:30,720
and activists and all marginalized people who are targets of federal government, it is easy

3452
04:56:30,720 --> 04:56:34,360
to say that we are willing to stand up to fascism and do everything we can to protect them

3453
04:56:34,360 --> 04:56:38,140
and it is much, much harder to actually do it, especially when it gets hard.

3454
04:56:38,980 --> 04:56:43,720
Yesterday, the Trump administration released its new national counterterrorism strategy.

3455
04:56:44,260 --> 04:56:49,400
It names as one of its top three national security threats, what it calls violent secular

3456
04:56:49,400 --> 04:56:54,720
political groups, whose ideology is, quote, anti-American, radically pro-transgender and anarchist.

3457
04:56:54,720 --> 04:56:56,300
It explicitly names Antifa.

3458
04:56:57,080 --> 04:57:02,580
It promises, and it's own words, to quote, rapidly, identify and neutralize these groups

3459
04:57:02,580 --> 04:57:08,040
using, again, in their words, all tools available to map their membership and cripple them

3460
04:57:08,040 --> 04:57:08,760
operationally.

3461
04:57:09,440 --> 04:57:14,040
It is truly naive to a baffling level that any of us would think that simple contract

3462
04:57:14,040 --> 04:57:17,360
language would save us from a government that is openly telling us that they think that

3463
04:57:17,360 --> 04:57:18,080
they are above the law.

3464
04:57:27,500 --> 04:57:33,980
I also want to respond to this idea that people who support flock are somehow in the silent

3465
04:57:33,980 --> 04:57:41,460
majority. In the past month there was a pretty biased survey that went around Berkeley trying

3466
04:57:41,460 --> 04:57:48,980
to find that a majority of Berkeley supports flock. And in campaigns when a survey a poll isn't

3467
04:57:48,980 --> 04:57:53,680
released that usually means it's because it didn't go your way. And we haven't seen the results

3468
04:57:53,680 --> 04:57:56,080
of that poll. So I think we can take that.

3469
04:58:02,280 --> 04:58:05,460
Okay, with that, I have two amendments,

3470
04:58:05,660 --> 04:58:10,660
friendly amendments that I would like to make it to the motion. And I'm going to share

3471
04:58:10,660 --> 04:58:16,860
my screen quickly. One of them is what I mentioned earlier around first amendment.

3472
04:58:19,940 --> 04:58:20,740
The UAS

3473
04:58:20,740 --> 04:58:27,760
First amendment authorized use to use the, can everyone see this?

3474
04:58:28,780 --> 04:58:29,580
Can you make it a bit?

3475
04:58:29,780 --> 04:58:32,780
It's amendment, amending the UAS surveillance use policy.

3476
04:58:34,360 --> 04:58:36,520
To respond to violent criminal activity,

3477
04:58:36,840 --> 04:58:38,240
I'm asking gatherings or special events,

3478
04:58:38,560 --> 04:58:40,160
only when there is probable cause of a felony

3479
04:58:40,160 --> 04:58:42,540
and an active threat of serious bodily injury.

3480
04:58:44,040 --> 04:58:47,760
And then my second amendment is to the ALPR extension,

3481
04:58:47,760 --> 04:58:55,440
and it should include a referral to include an efficacy assessment and review for compliance

3482
04:58:55,440 --> 04:58:59,140
to be presented to Council at least 30 days before the end of the extension.

3483
04:59:01,140 --> 04:59:01,220
Thanks.

3484
04:59:01,480 --> 04:59:03,260
It's acceptable to me.

3485
04:59:03,880 --> 04:59:05,940
Councillor member Humbard, do you?

3486
04:59:05,940 --> 04:59:06,160
Councillor Humbard, do you?

3487
04:59:06,440 --> 04:59:06,560
Councillor Humbard.

3488
04:59:08,300 --> 04:59:09,760
Yes, Brent has.

3489
04:59:09,920 --> 04:59:11,800
He says, Councillor Humbard, excuse me.

3490
04:59:12,080 --> 04:59:12,740
Council member Bakery.

3491
04:59:14,300 --> 04:59:14,840
Yes, okay.

3492
04:59:15,240 --> 04:59:15,900
Thank you.

3493
04:59:16,100 --> 04:59:16,520
Thank you.

3494
04:59:16,520 --> 04:59:29,180
I also was wondering if the police department could quickly explain their supplemental and just briefly go over it because I just want to make sure that everyone understands what that is changing.

3495
04:59:30,100 --> 04:59:40,960
The only thing it's changing is identifying that once we are in a space to authorize or get authority to enter into contract we want to point to the most current and comprehensive procurement vehicle that exists.

3496
04:59:41,460 --> 04:59:44,300
So that was updating to what that vehicle would have been.

3497
04:59:44,300 --> 04:59:52,300
Thank you. That's a little bit. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Going to online with Councilmember Taplin.

3498
04:59:53,320 --> 04:59:59,120
Yes. Thank you, Madam Mayor and good evening, everyone. I would like to thank city admin, legal.

3499
05:00:00,400 --> 05:00:09,640
The PD directly for your diligence and your hard work to address the concerns of the council and the community itself of this process.

3500
05:00:10,680 --> 05:00:20,880
I also want to thank my fellow co-authors, as well as council member Blackbee and the mayor for calling for additional restrictions and guardrails.

3501
05:00:24,260 --> 05:00:29,600
I completely understand the trepidation and reaction to Washington.

3502
05:00:29,600 --> 05:00:37,180
The city also needs to be able to function and provide basic tools for critical public safety services.

3503
05:00:39,080 --> 05:00:46,840
In my view, it would be logical and practical to cause for the system to come down this July.

3504
05:00:48,040 --> 05:00:50,600
And therefore I will be supporting the motion. Thank you.

3505
05:00:51,180 --> 05:00:54,320
Thank you. Moving on to Council Member Humber.

3506
05:00:55,060 --> 05:00:56,160
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

3507
05:00:57,520 --> 05:01:03,200
And I want to thank everybody who appeared here and spoke today.

3508
05:01:03,640 --> 05:01:12,620
I want to thank our police leadership and Mr. Chandler for appearing here and responding to questions.

3509
05:01:13,580 --> 05:01:16,020
I respect the positions of all my colleagues.

3510
05:01:16,700 --> 05:01:20,020
And I've listened to all the concerns that have been expressed here tonight.

3511
05:01:20,520 --> 05:01:23,360
I agree that some of the concerns at least are justified.

3512
05:01:23,360 --> 05:01:29,520
And at the same time, I think there's good evidence that automated license plate readers

3513
05:01:29,520 --> 05:01:33,920
in other technological tools are creating crucial public safety benefits.

3514
05:01:34,700 --> 05:01:38,400
A great example was just last week, there was a reference made to it.

3515
05:01:38,700 --> 05:01:42,480
The Prox system led to six apprehensions in a single day.

3516
05:01:42,700 --> 05:01:43,820
That's a real result.

3517
05:01:44,520 --> 05:01:48,560
Those are six people potentially brought to justice and potentially untold number of

3518
05:01:48,560 --> 05:01:50,520
additional crimes prevented.

3519
05:01:50,520 --> 05:01:54,380
And, you know, I'd also go further afield and mention that

3520
05:01:54,380 --> 05:02:00,680
Frock ALPRs help apprehend a heavily armed ex-police officer who apparently intended to kill

3521
05:02:00,680 --> 05:02:07,400
black Americans at a New York New Orleans jazz festival within the past couple of weeks.

3522
05:02:07,900 --> 05:02:10,100
So they do have the potential to save lives.

3523
05:02:10,320 --> 05:02:12,500
I think they probably saved lives there.

3524
05:02:13,360 --> 05:02:17,780
I believe we can get to a place where we have sufficient protections for our data

3525
05:02:17,780 --> 05:02:22,060
in the ability to get out of this agreement, such that the benefits outweigh the risks.

3526
05:02:22,980 --> 05:02:27,280
I understand and can respect the principal position that any marginal risk in this regard

3527
05:02:27,280 --> 05:02:34,980
is too much, but in my view, but my view remains that our residents face public safety risks

3528
05:02:34,980 --> 05:02:41,840
every day, robberies, gunfire, and organized theft. These are the real concrete everyday safety

3529
05:02:41,840 --> 05:02:47,620
threats against which I am rang. And I appreciate it. Councilmember Kester Wani's comments

3530
05:02:47,620 --> 05:02:52,260
on this. I am weighing the more marginal impacts of things like data leaks.

3531
05:02:54,460 --> 05:02:55,620
So I was

3532
05:02:55,620 --> 05:03:01,900
willing, that said I believe that the contract provisions I proposed alongside Councilmember

3533
05:03:01,900 --> 05:03:06,740
Staffland Kester Wani and O'Keef are essential. And I think Councilmember Blackbees and

3534
05:03:06,740 --> 05:03:13,620
amendments or appropriate. And of course, I've just seconded Council member Black Abies motion.

3535
05:03:14,920 --> 05:03:22,120
So that's really about all I have to say on it. My views have not modified since we last took

3536
05:03:22,120 --> 05:03:28,220
this up last March. Thanks. Thank you very much. Council member, I'm going to Council member

3537
05:03:28,220 --> 05:03:29,580
Thank you.

3538
05:03:29,580 --> 05:03:30,060
Thank you.

3539
05:03:30,700 --> 05:03:36,800
I have a statement, but first I want to ask about, I guess, the motion maker, about my

3540
05:03:36,800 --> 05:03:38,860
supplemental, about the drone UAS.

3541
05:03:39,180 --> 05:03:43,760
I initially thought, well, it doesn't matter anymore, because we're not really doing anything

3542
05:03:43,760 --> 05:03:49,720
on drone tonight, but I think if we are going to accept, I mean, I think there is a marginal

3543
05:03:49,720 --> 05:03:50,560
use for it.

3544
05:03:51,020 --> 05:03:52,300
So would you open to it?

3545
05:03:52,520 --> 05:03:54,280
We're going to move the use policies.

3546
05:03:54,840 --> 05:04:06,500
And I'll just say my main concern is if DFR is intended to sort of also clear cases that don't necessarily involve, like, imminent risk.

3547
05:04:07,300 --> 05:04:14,920
But smiling concern is one of the factors of using the DFR is there would be able to sort of clear cases where we don't need a center officer.

3548
05:04:16,500 --> 05:04:19,480
And so I just wanted to make sure that that was captured. That's my concern.

3549
05:04:19,480 --> 05:04:21,520
So you don't have to report my supplements?

3550
05:04:21,680 --> 05:04:24,500
If you want to have a separate vote on, I'd be able to have a vote on it.

3551
05:04:24,600 --> 05:04:26,120
Yeah, I would like that.

3552
05:04:26,360 --> 05:04:27,800
So we could suffer that.

3553
05:04:27,860 --> 05:04:30,460
So we could adopt it, but sever it.

3554
05:04:32,160 --> 05:04:35,900
Okay, so the city attorney is let me know that

3555
05:04:35,900 --> 05:04:40,520
Choose some concerns about the severability or not the severability.

3556
05:04:40,700 --> 05:04:44,740
But I guess the severability of the use policy from the fall contract specifically.

3557
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:07,020
So it's not necessarily to the severability, but there's a little bit of concern. I thought the council

3558
05:05:07,020 --> 05:05:16,600
was going to just do the vote on extending the contract and then kind of do the use policies later.

3559
05:05:17,180 --> 05:05:24,900
Some of the use policies are very, the flux specific. So I think we need to take a look at that issue.

3560
05:05:25,340 --> 05:05:26,840
How specific are the use policies?

3561
05:05:26,840 --> 05:05:29,880
I think that that was reviewed when we submitted our supplemental.

3562
05:05:30,620 --> 05:05:34,360
So we can take a quick basis to discuss that if you think that's appropriate.

3563
05:05:35,020 --> 05:05:35,760
Yeah, it would be really helpful.

3564
05:05:36,180 --> 05:05:40,460
All right, I do kind of want to let Council Member Bartlett speak, though,

3565
05:05:40,660 --> 05:05:42,520
because he gave us all the comments.

3566
05:05:42,880 --> 05:05:44,220
Yeah, I also wanted to make a statement.

3567
05:05:44,520 --> 05:05:44,860
That's okay.

3568
05:05:45,060 --> 05:05:45,740
Oh yeah, that was my preliminary.

3569
05:05:46,000 --> 05:05:46,320
Yeah, go ahead.

3570
05:05:46,420 --> 05:05:48,480
I'll make a statement and then we'll talk about the, the Dome thing.

3571
05:05:48,620 --> 05:05:52,160
Yeah, I think it, yeah, I'll let you make your comments and then I'm going to have

3572
05:05:52,160 --> 05:05:54,280
Council Member Bartlett make his comments then we'll take a quick rest.

3573
05:05:54,280 --> 05:05:56,760
First, I want to move to extend by 15 minutes.

3574
05:05:56,760 --> 05:05:57,480
second.

3575
05:06:01,470 --> 05:06:07,590
Okay. To extend to 11 15 PM. Councilmember Kesterwani. Yes.

3576
05:06:07,890 --> 05:06:14,490
Tap one. Part. Part list. Yes. Trigo. Hi. Okay. Yes. Black me. Yes.

3577
05:06:14,570 --> 05:06:22,390
In the parah. Yes. Amber. Yes. And Mary is she. No. Okay. I said I already said to everyone. I said

3578
05:06:22,390 --> 05:06:29,710
we're finishing it 11. That's it. So go ahead. Continue. I can speak. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So I'm

3579
05:06:29,710 --> 05:06:32,210
I'd be happy to support the motion made by Katzavov,

3580
05:06:32,550 --> 05:06:35,510
remember, back of the, I think it's fundamentally reasonable,

3581
05:06:35,710 --> 05:06:37,350
and I really want to thank him for bringing it so

3582
05:06:38,370 --> 05:06:40,530
thoughtfully, except for the doing part.

3583
05:06:44,250 --> 05:06:50,770
I was prepared to go forward tonight with the original proposal,

3584
05:06:51,430 --> 05:06:54,190
but really my bright line rule is retaining the ALPRs,

3585
05:06:54,210 --> 05:06:58,150
as they exist right now, and so because that's being proposed,

3586
05:06:58,150 --> 05:07:04,090
I'm happy to support it, but really been a valuable tool and I would not be okay taking them away.

3587
05:07:05,570 --> 05:07:10,950
I really believe they taking away the LPR's at this point would make our citizens less safe.

3588
05:07:11,810 --> 05:07:17,510
And I would actually be breaking a campaign promise if I were to agree to that.

3589
05:07:18,270 --> 05:07:21,090
So that is actually like, that is actually how democracy works.

3590
05:07:21,270 --> 05:07:26,870
It was something I campaigned on was allowing police to have better and more effective technology

3591
05:07:26,870 --> 05:07:36,470
and I was like that I saw that so that's important to me. Rolling out, but back to the

3592
05:07:36,470 --> 05:07:41,530
motion that we're debating, it's fine. Rolling out the newer technologies, it can take

3593
05:07:41,530 --> 05:07:45,990
more time. I think we have a good chance to hopefully build more public trust in the process

3594
05:07:45,990 --> 05:07:51,690
before making the next step and that feels appropriate. I do have a question though about whether

3595
05:07:51,690 --> 05:07:54,190
It's possible to build public trust.

3596
05:07:54,310 --> 05:07:55,870
We want survey today.

3597
05:08:01,430 --> 05:08:03,070
Were she talking about my thing?

3598
05:08:03,990 --> 05:08:05,330
Okay, that's misunderstood.

3599
05:08:06,230 --> 05:08:08,010
But I don't want to talk about that right now.

3600
05:08:08,810 --> 05:08:09,790
That's not what that was.

3601
05:08:10,530 --> 05:08:11,230
I do.

3602
05:08:11,230 --> 05:08:11,850
Okay, folks.

3603
05:08:12,350 --> 05:08:13,430
I do wonders.

3604
05:08:14,050 --> 05:08:15,070
I have to say.

3605
05:08:15,670 --> 05:08:17,750
And I really would appreciate it if you all would listen.

3606
05:08:17,950 --> 05:08:20,090
And you can yell in your after if you like.

3607
05:08:21,370 --> 05:08:24,050
I wonder about the good faith.

3608
05:08:24,050 --> 05:08:28,910
whether or not people came here in good faith, willing to consider that.

3609
05:08:29,070 --> 05:08:30,030
Public trust is possible.

3610
05:08:30,850 --> 05:08:34,710
My position on this topic has been well stated in the uped that I offered along with

3611
05:08:34,710 --> 05:08:36,070
my council colleagues.

3612
05:08:37,390 --> 05:08:43,030
So I won't believe it here except to say that it was brought up several times tonight

3613
05:08:44,330 --> 05:08:45,630
and always with criticism.

3614
05:08:46,210 --> 05:08:48,270
And while I understand many disagreed with it, that's fine.

3615
05:08:48,410 --> 05:08:50,410
I didn't expect everybody to agree with it.

3616
05:08:50,410 --> 05:08:57,470
I didn't hear anyone really refute in its fundamental logic, which is that our surveillance

3617
05:08:57,470 --> 05:09:05,690
state should do after, thank you, which is our surveillance state is really unchanged by whatever

3618
05:09:05,690 --> 05:09:14,050
it is we do here tonight. If you, okay folks, you came in here with an iPhone or whatever in your

3619
05:09:14,050 --> 05:09:17,190
I have bad news for you.

3620
05:09:17,530 --> 05:09:19,050
Stop, Nathanna.

3621
05:09:20,950 --> 05:09:22,550
Folks, let her finish speaking.

3622
05:09:23,350 --> 05:09:25,290
You're just, you're, you're using up our time.

3623
05:09:25,370 --> 05:09:26,230
Come on.

3624
05:09:28,260 --> 05:09:30,960
You're already being surveilled to a level of intensity that

3625
05:09:30,960 --> 05:09:33,540
pales in comparison to what's being proposed.

3626
05:09:34,140 --> 05:09:36,160
When I walked to work the other day,

3627
05:09:36,400 --> 05:09:39,780
I counted nine cameras that I walked past.

3628
05:09:40,040 --> 05:09:45,000
Do I have any idea if facial recognition was used on the images

3629
05:09:45,000 --> 05:09:50,500
that captured? Nope. Do I have any idea what happened to those images? Who can access them?

3630
05:09:50,840 --> 05:09:54,220
I do not. I'm sorry to tell you that that is our reality.

3631
05:09:57,480 --> 05:09:59,980
Please hate, excuse me, all I said, I understood people for nothing.

3632
05:10:00,560 --> 05:10:07,400
Okay, let her finish speaking, but I hope it has a more reality-based conversation about what's really at stake.

3633
05:10:09,820 --> 05:10:19,940
Let her finish speaking, sit down, sit down, order or we'll take our recess right now. Sit down, Nathan. Go ahead.

3634
05:10:23,020 --> 05:10:29,260
Okay, I guess, I guess. Folks. Okay, I guess I can speak in this moment now.

3635
05:10:29,260 --> 05:10:33,020
Boarder, we're hearing from Council Member Bartlett now.

3636
05:10:34,060 --> 05:10:37,900
Well, this is a very instructive.

3637
05:10:38,580 --> 05:10:40,260
Context really is king.

3638
05:10:40,940 --> 05:10:42,200
I'm a dented by the administration.

3639
05:10:43,160 --> 05:10:49,000
This council deliberated and implemented the burq dot,

3640
05:10:49,340 --> 05:10:50,500
which was a form of this.

3641
05:10:50,500 --> 05:10:54,800
This was a technology way to kind of remove police bias

3642
05:10:54,800 --> 05:10:56,300
from the automotive policing.

3643
05:10:57,340 --> 05:11:19,900
We did put some cameras up and there was a very little fanfare, is a small grouping and in that meeting, actually, if you recall, it's a couple of years ago, like I said, I thought hard for a motion that I made to air gap our data and air that means to separate it so it can't be used and can't be shared without our control.

3644
05:11:19,900 --> 05:11:22,600
I mean, that motion, I thought hard for it, and it failed.

3645
05:11:23,520 --> 05:11:30,880
Because I knew that while we were trusting a democratic president, things could change.

3646
05:11:30,940 --> 05:11:35,660
Things always change, and that the next administration, because governments can change,

3647
05:11:35,940 --> 05:11:39,060
governments can go bad, it might be a different context.

3648
05:11:39,160 --> 05:11:40,720
And now we're in the context now.

3649
05:11:42,260 --> 05:11:43,460
So it's interesting.

3650
05:11:44,240 --> 05:11:47,620
And my district, district 3 is in the house here for sure.

3651
05:11:49,100 --> 05:11:55,020
I'm going to tell you, my district is really amazing, you know, these are my family, I love all of you who's so much.

3652
05:11:55,340 --> 05:12:04,180
My district is very diverse. It has the wealthiest person in Berkeley, has homeless people, has, has my mayor.

3653
05:12:05,380 --> 05:12:08,060
Yes, my mayor and good friend, a neighbor.

3654
05:12:08,060 --> 05:12:16,980
I have African-Americans, seniors, college people, techies, who else.

3655
05:12:17,200 --> 05:12:19,900
It has people that is the center of disability rights in America.

3656
05:12:21,100 --> 05:12:25,180
It has hospital, it has an ad-bart station, a supermarket.

3657
05:12:25,840 --> 05:12:27,180
It runs the gamut.

3658
05:12:27,380 --> 05:12:32,300
It has the new homeowners, the old homeowners, and two, the person.

3659
05:12:33,660 --> 05:12:38,060
Every single person had managed me to not approve this deal.

3660
05:12:47,940 --> 05:13:08,920
And it's important because if you, if you know what, you know, our tenure, especially the work I've done to these years, you know, they're really, they're a patient, they let me do the wild things I like to do, interesting concepts, they support it, they forgive me when I mess up, they teach me, they're really amazing bunch of people.

3661
05:13:08,920 --> 05:13:24,900
And they let me kind of have my way, but every now and then, every now and then, there's an issue that they care about, and when they care about it, I care about it, because I am them and they are mean.

3662
05:13:25,920 --> 05:13:28,040
So that's my position tonight, the same as yours.

3663
05:13:30,640 --> 05:13:31,600
Thank you.

3664
05:13:31,780 --> 05:13:31,980
Okay.

3665
05:13:33,760 --> 05:13:35,340
We are going to take a brief rest.

3666
05:13:37,940 --> 05:13:38,680
Thank you.

3667
05:14:01,430 --> 05:14:03,170
All right, folks, please.

3668
05:14:04,570 --> 05:14:06,990
I need everyone to quiet down.

3669
05:14:08,270 --> 05:14:09,430
If you can hear me clap once.

3670
05:14:10,070 --> 05:14:11,150
If you can hear me clap twice.

3671
05:14:11,810 --> 05:14:13,090
If you can hear me clap three times.

3672
05:14:14,850 --> 05:14:15,810
Oh, okay.

3673
05:14:16,830 --> 05:14:17,370
All right.

3674
05:14:17,650 --> 05:14:19,210
Wow, amazing how much that works.

3675
05:14:20,830 --> 05:14:24,350
So we have some clarifications around the motions that I think

3676
05:14:24,350 --> 05:14:27,110
needs to be made and just to generally, a couple of clarifications.

3677
05:14:27,350 --> 05:14:29,830
I have some comments and then I'd like us to take a vote.

3678
05:14:30,610 --> 05:14:31,790
So did you want to clarify something?

3679
05:14:32,090 --> 05:14:34,110
Councilman, the little part of the-

3680
05:14:34,110 --> 05:14:38,830
Yeah, I wanted to clarify that the poll that I was talking about was not Council

3681
05:14:38,830 --> 05:14:42,470
Member O'Keeves' personal Google Survey for her constituents.

3682
05:14:42,670 --> 05:14:45,730
It was a separate paid official poll.

3683
05:14:46,110 --> 05:14:46,990
I just wanted to clarify that.

3684
05:14:46,990 --> 05:14:47,250
Okay.

3685
05:14:47,510 --> 05:14:48,090
Thank you.

3686
05:14:48,190 --> 05:14:48,510
Go ahead.

3687
05:14:48,510 --> 05:14:49,370
Councilor Lackaby.

3688
05:14:49,530 --> 05:14:54,730
Clerk, for case you need the motion on the on the extension portion for up to 12 months, and

3689
05:14:54,730 --> 05:14:57,610
200 k, just to be clear, there's a dollar figure attached to it.

3690
05:14:57,630 --> 05:14:58,570
Okay, a touch to it.

3691
05:14:58,710 --> 05:14:59,210
Okay, thank you.

3692
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:11,500
Did you have something? Yeah. I wanted to first of all, I appreciate this motion, and I know we're going to

3693
05:15:11,500 --> 05:15:20,280
out an item. I wanted to see if the maker and seconder would be friendly to since the

3694
05:15:21,560 --> 05:15:32,600
the exploration of what was previously in the MSA but is going to be in a potential negotiation

3695
05:15:32,600 --> 05:15:39,800
of the 12-month extension if the maker and seconder would be amenable to an exploration

3696
05:15:39,800 --> 05:15:49,700
of uping the poor violation penalty to $290,000 for violation.

3697
05:15:50,480 --> 05:15:51,920
Yeah, that's acceptable. Yes.

3698
05:15:54,740 --> 05:15:55,120
Thank you.

3699
05:15:55,200 --> 05:15:56,940
Okay. Any other qualifications? Yes.

3700
05:15:56,940 --> 05:15:58,480
Councilmember O'Keefe, did you have something?

3701
05:15:59,420 --> 05:16:03,100
Oh, yeah. I wanted to ask again if I think we've got some clarification.

3702
05:16:03,520 --> 05:16:09,940
I would like to request that we suffer out the UAS use policy both as an issue.

3703
05:16:09,940 --> 05:16:14,980
And, well, I guess, do I also make emotion, then we don't need to, you can request a separate.

3704
05:16:15,360 --> 05:16:22,940
I would like to request a separate, and then I have, I can say what I want to be wrote it on for that.

3705
05:16:23,700 --> 05:16:24,420
Substitute motion?

3706
05:16:25,480 --> 05:16:26,060
I think that's different.

3707
05:16:26,180 --> 05:16:28,520
No, we're just, we would just vote on it.

3708
05:16:28,900 --> 05:16:29,160
Yes, separately.

3709
05:16:29,440 --> 05:16:33,900
So should I say what I want us to vote on?

3710
05:16:34,320 --> 05:16:35,660
Now, or what should I wait?

3711
05:16:37,750 --> 05:16:38,050
Mark?

3712
05:16:38,370 --> 05:16:39,390
Well, I'll just take my intention.

3713
05:16:39,390 --> 05:16:42,910
And I would like my idea is I would like to vote on that separately, and I would like

3714
05:16:42,910 --> 05:16:50,970
I would make a motion for that to be my supplemental and the council member of the

3715
05:16:50,970 --> 05:16:53,890
press suggested to be able to add it to the UAS policy.

3716
05:16:54,630 --> 05:17:00,970
So you would likely need to make a motion to amend the main motion if you wanted your amendments

3717
05:17:00,970 --> 05:17:04,710
in, but the maker and the seconder were not acceptable to a friend.

3718
05:17:04,870 --> 05:17:06,590
Yeah, that's what I wanted to do.

3719
05:17:06,590 --> 05:17:13,410
So just to clarify, I think Councilmember Linnapahra's were already part of it, so, okay, they were all

3720
05:17:13,410 --> 05:17:13,670
separate.

3721
05:17:13,690 --> 05:17:18,030
If we separate out the, yeah,

3722
05:17:21,090 --> 05:17:24,150
okay, I'm being a sub-student motion to amend it with my sub-student

3723
05:17:24,150 --> 05:17:24,330
motion.

3724
05:17:24,330 --> 05:17:24,590
I'm sorry.

3725
05:17:25,510 --> 05:17:27,510
Not in motion to amend the main motion.

3726
05:17:28,770 --> 05:17:29,790
Motion to amend the motion.

3727
05:17:31,110 --> 05:17:31,790
I made that.

3728
05:17:32,110 --> 05:17:33,530
And so we will vote on that first.

3729
05:17:33,630 --> 05:17:34,150
That was second.

3730
05:17:34,530 --> 05:17:34,650
Yeah.

3731
05:17:34,650 --> 05:17:35,350
Thank you.

3732
05:17:35,350 --> 05:17:46,110
So this is a motion to amend the main motion to include Councilmember O'Keeves amendments to the UAS policy into what gets adopted.

3733
05:17:47,010 --> 05:17:51,310
So on motion to amend Councilmember Kesterwani.

3734
05:17:51,550 --> 05:17:52,090
No.

3735
05:17:52,890 --> 05:17:54,210
Tap one.

3736
05:17:57,570 --> 05:17:57,830
No.

3737
05:17:58,830 --> 05:17:58,970
No.

3738
05:17:59,450 --> 05:18:00,350
Councilmember Bartlett.

3739
05:18:01,930 --> 05:18:02,150
No.

3740
05:18:03,210 --> 05:18:03,650
Trigger.

3741
05:18:05,880 --> 05:18:06,380
O'Keeves.

3742
05:18:06,380 --> 05:18:06,840
Yes.

3743
05:18:06,840 --> 05:18:10,480
Black and B. No, Moonapara. Yes.

3744
05:18:10,780 --> 05:18:13,560
Humber. Yes. Mayor E.C. No.

3745
05:18:14,780 --> 05:18:16,620
Councilmember Tragab. Aye.

3746
05:18:17,220 --> 05:18:20,080
Okay, motion, that motion fails. Okay.

3747
05:18:20,640 --> 05:18:20,860
Okay.

3748
05:18:21,620 --> 05:18:23,560
And so we're back to the main motion.

3749
05:18:23,740 --> 05:18:26,000
Thank you. I'm going to give some comments for us in the mobile.

3750
05:18:26,740 --> 05:18:29,980
So I want to thank you all so much for being here this evening.

3751
05:18:29,980 --> 05:18:33,720
I want to thank everyone for coming for your previous presentations

3752
05:18:33,720 --> 05:18:36,140
and also for sitting and listening to our public comment

3753
05:18:36,140 --> 05:18:38,600
answering our questions and engaging in this process.

3754
05:18:39,420 --> 05:18:45,880
I want to make sure folks know that the police chief has been very helpful in answering

3755
05:18:45,880 --> 05:18:51,740
our questions and working with us as we worked on our supplemental in good faith.

3756
05:18:52,300 --> 05:18:56,640
And that my decision here tonight has nothing to do with my trust for the police department.

3757
05:18:57,220 --> 05:19:00,280
I understand that these tools have helped on a number of different cases.

3758
05:19:00,280 --> 05:19:08,080
I myself have seen so many cases that were really heart-wrenching, that would not have been

3759
05:19:08,080 --> 05:19:09,220
solved without these tools.

3760
05:19:09,800 --> 05:19:14,740
So I do understand why it is that police department is interested in having them.

3761
05:19:15,620 --> 05:19:18,040
And at the end of the day, I just don't trust FROCK.

3762
05:19:24,010 --> 05:19:27,670
I don't trust FROCK, and I don't trust our current federal administration.

3763
05:20:00,110 --> 05:20:08,410
Legal safeguards are not enough to ensure that federal authorities will respect local laws and protections. That's what we're seeing now.

3764
05:20:09,190 --> 05:20:15,850
I want to ensure surveillance technologies we adopt fully aligned with Burkese sanctuary city policies and are deeply held free speech values.

3765
05:20:16,550 --> 05:20:29,330
And Flock needs to be proactive, not just reactive. Flock has responsibility to proactively safeguard data and share compliance with contracts and uphold the legal and ethical standards of the communities that it serves.

3766
05:20:29,330 --> 05:20:34,050
When there are legitimate fears, the data could be used to target immigrant communities or

3767
05:20:34,050 --> 05:20:35,390
suppressed, first amendment rights.

3768
05:20:35,550 --> 05:20:38,830
It becomes difficult to justify the use of Fox products.

3769
05:20:40,210 --> 05:20:47,890
Concern about the mass, I'm concerned about the mass aggregation of data with interoperability

3770
05:20:47,890 --> 05:20:53,290
across all platforms and the risks that the interim director of Police Accountability, Kathy

3771
05:20:53,290 --> 05:20:58,910
Lee, and Pav site about over-dependence in one system, increasing our vulnerability as a

3772
05:21:00,250 --> 05:21:05,190
I want to make sure folks understand that the procurement process was done properly.

3773
05:21:06,230 --> 05:21:09,390
And at the same time, I don't feel that it was sufficient.

3774
05:21:09,710 --> 05:21:16,190
So I will be supporting the motion that council members, faculty, and Hamburg have made.

3775
05:21:17,050 --> 05:21:22,190
Flock may be the best technology right now, but we know that technology changes rapidly.

3776
05:21:22,650 --> 05:21:28,230
And our chief has even said that other companies might catch up not too long for now.

3777
05:21:29,270 --> 05:21:30,970
It's not ready for our city yet.

3778
05:21:31,410 --> 05:21:36,810
I don't have full confidence in a company and I can't support something that I just really

3779
05:21:36,810 --> 05:21:37,710
don't trust.

3780
05:21:38,690 --> 05:21:42,370
We've heard so much from the community, I really want to thank you all for coming out to speak.

3781
05:21:42,850 --> 05:21:45,210
I know for some of you this is a really emotional issue.

3782
05:21:48,810 --> 05:21:52,090
And at the end of the day, I know I can't support a thought contract.

3783
05:21:55,470 --> 05:22:02,950
Because if this company does not live up to our standards and our values as a city, we really can't support it.

3784
05:22:03,290 --> 05:22:06,070
So I want to thank you all again, thank you to my colleagues this evening.

3785
05:22:06,710 --> 05:22:11,150
Thank you to the city manager and city attorney and your office, all of our staff.

3786
05:22:11,690 --> 05:22:16,150
For being here and for answering our questions, there's a lot to go through on this issue.

3787
05:22:16,370 --> 05:22:20,670
It's quite complex and we have spent many, many, many hours reviewing all of it.

3788
05:22:20,670 --> 05:22:27,330
So I would like to take a vote, so we have two motions separately.

3789
05:22:28,070 --> 05:22:34,270
I'd like to vote on the first one, not the ALPR part extension, but on the rest of it first.

3790
05:22:35,330 --> 05:22:37,290
So can you please take the roll on that click?

3791
05:22:37,950 --> 05:22:48,670
Okay, so this is the severed portion of the main motion for the use policies as amended

3792
05:22:48,670 --> 05:22:55,390
with the supplemental numbers, 1 to 6 and 8 and 9 in the supplemental materials from the mayor,

3793
05:22:55,870 --> 05:23:03,350
as well as Council Member Winapara's amendments to the UAS and ALPR policies, so on that

3794
05:23:03,350 --> 05:23:10,690
portion of the, because I also include in the no full MSA, right? That's the motion of 10,

3795
05:23:10,950 --> 05:23:14,170
you know, full MSA. Okay. Thank you.

3796
05:23:14,170 --> 05:23:24,530
and no action on one B on that portion of the motion. Councilmember Kesterwani.

3797
05:23:25,650 --> 05:23:27,090
Tap one. Yes.

3798
05:23:27,930 --> 05:23:28,350
Orlet.

3799
05:23:30,050 --> 05:23:30,730
Drag-up.

3800
05:23:31,690 --> 05:23:31,930
Pass.

3801
05:23:32,770 --> 05:23:32,990
Okay.

3802
05:23:33,910 --> 05:23:34,390
Yes.

3803
05:23:35,150 --> 05:23:35,770
Black to be.

3804
05:23:36,890 --> 05:23:37,690
I'm going to parah.

3805
05:23:37,810 --> 05:23:38,170
Yes.

3806
05:23:38,890 --> 05:23:39,150
Humver.

3807
05:23:39,550 --> 05:23:39,590
Yes.

3808
05:23:40,730 --> 05:23:41,230
And Mayor E.

3809
05:23:41,250 --> 05:23:42,090
Yes.

3810
05:23:43,250 --> 05:23:43,750
Councilmember.

3811
05:23:43,750 --> 05:23:44,770
of Vice Mayor Trigger.

3812
05:23:45,550 --> 05:23:52,570
Okay, so that portion is adopted and then on the other severed portion, which is the referral

3813
05:23:52,570 --> 05:24:01,710
to the city manager for our P-Process for the other contract authority, other public

3814
05:24:01,710 --> 05:24:10,710
safety technology and the UAS, the fixed surveillance and the investigative software and the

3815
05:24:10,710 --> 05:24:15,690
extension of the and the extension of the ALPR contract for 12 months with a not to

3816
05:24:15,690 --> 05:24:21,650
see them out $200,000 with a minted contract term for $290,000 penalty

3817
05:24:21,650 --> 05:24:27,370
per violation. So on that portion of the motion, Council Member Kester

3818
05:24:27,370 --> 05:24:28,090
Yes.

3819
05:24:28,550 --> 05:24:29,490
Tap one.

3820
05:24:29,790 --> 05:24:30,030
Yes.

3821
05:24:31,010 --> 05:24:31,610
Bartlett.

3822
05:24:33,630 --> 05:24:33,870
No.

3823
05:24:34,910 --> 05:24:35,370
Trade him.

3824
05:24:35,650 --> 05:24:35,670
No.

3825
05:24:36,910 --> 05:24:37,250
Okay.

3826
05:24:37,550 --> 05:24:38,110
Yes.

3827
05:24:38,510 --> 05:24:39,130
Black could be.

3828
05:24:39,130 --> 05:24:39,670
Yes.

3829
05:24:40,230 --> 05:24:40,750
Anapara.

3830
05:24:41,950 --> 05:24:42,210
Number.

3831
05:24:43,630 --> 05:24:44,270
And Mayor Ishi.

3832
05:24:44,350 --> 05:24:44,850
No.

3833
05:24:45,830 --> 05:24:46,510
Motion carries.

3834
05:24:48,150 --> 05:24:49,050
Thank you.

3835
05:24:50,410 --> 05:24:50,810
That counts remember.

3836
05:24:50,950 --> 05:24:52,030
Keith did you want to see something else?

3837
05:24:52,210 --> 05:24:52,450
I'm sorry.

3838
05:24:52,810 --> 05:24:54,010
I saw your little.

3839
05:24:54,590 --> 05:24:54,850
Okay.

3840
05:24:55,230 --> 05:24:55,390
Sorry.

3841
05:24:56,230 --> 05:24:56,430
Okay.

3842
05:24:57,150 --> 05:24:59,970
All right. Thank you all very much for coming this

3843
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:05,120
You repeat your motion. I can just so folks, actually, can I just ask because we're nearing the end?

3844
05:25:06,180 --> 05:25:10,260
Well, actually, I think it would be helpful if you clarified for folks what we just voted on.

3845
05:25:11,560 --> 05:25:21,300
So, adopted the use policies for the various technologies to not move forward with the full MSA, with log, initiating an RFP,

3846
05:25:29,400 --> 05:25:29,980
sorry.

3847
05:25:29,980 --> 05:25:37,020
And then extending the ALPR through the period of that RFP process so that we don't go dark in that period.

3848
05:25:37,620 --> 05:25:39,060
And was voted on separately.

3849
05:25:40,160 --> 05:25:43,720
So, so the second vote was on extending the ALPR contract.

3850
05:25:44,280 --> 05:25:46,780
Was the first part, was the rest of it.

3851
05:25:47,360 --> 05:25:47,740
Thank you.

3852
05:25:48,120 --> 05:25:48,280
Okay.

3853
05:25:49,100 --> 05:25:49,360
All right.

3854
05:25:49,880 --> 05:25:54,120
So, and that case, I will see if there's a motion to adjourn.

3855
05:25:54,240 --> 05:25:55,020
So, second.

3856
05:25:55,780 --> 05:25:56,820
Can we take the roll please?

3857
05:25:56,820 --> 05:25:59,920
Okay, to adjourn the meeting, Councilmember Kisterwani.

3858
05:26:00,620 --> 05:26:01,800
Yeah, Councilmember Kisterwani.

3859
05:26:01,800 --> 05:26:02,020
Yeah, Councilmember Kisterwani.

3860
05:26:02,840 --> 05:26:03,320
Hi.

3861
05:26:04,080 --> 05:26:04,540
Bartlett.

3862
05:26:05,340 --> 05:26:05,600
Yes.

3863
05:26:05,920 --> 05:26:06,300
Tragum.

3864
05:26:06,540 --> 05:26:06,660
Hi.

3865
05:26:07,160 --> 05:26:07,340
Okay.

3866
05:26:08,280 --> 05:26:08,600
Yes.

3867
05:26:08,880 --> 05:26:09,320
Lack of ease.

3868
05:26:11,680 --> 05:26:12,320
Humber.

3869
05:26:12,640 --> 05:26:12,880
Yes.

3870
05:26:13,360 --> 05:26:14,100
And Mayor Ishi.

3871
05:26:15,060 --> 05:26:15,460
Yes.

3872
05:26:15,760 --> 05:26:16,180
Okay.

3873
05:26:16,920 --> 05:26:18,540
Meeting is adjourned.

3874
05:26:18,800 --> 05:26:19,180
Thank you, everyone.