1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,929 My second period. It's almost time. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,120 » I'm ready. >> [snorts] 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,600 » Mary, go. >> Excuse me. 4 00:00:07,205 --> 00:00:10,320 » [laughter] >> I have an important meeting going on 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,880 here. Well, we got a more important meeting. 6 00:00:12,445 --> 00:00:18,080 » [laughter] >> Abby's got an important meeting. 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:22,040 » It's 6:59. Okay, now it's 7:00. >> All right. 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,520 Call meeting to order. Roll call. >> Trustee Howard. 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,560 Here. Trustee DeCola. >> Here. 10 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,560 » Trustee Chucky. >> Here. All right. Pledge allegiance to 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:34,040 the flag. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:39,800 United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,800 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:49,920 » All right. Are there any corrections to the minutes 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:55,440 from the regular meeting of July 13th, 2026? 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,840 If not, I will make a motion to approve. >> I will second. 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,000 » Vote. >> Trustee Howard. 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,120 » Yes. >> Trustee DeCola. 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,440 » Yes. >> Trustee Chucky. 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,280 » Yes. >> All right. The next trustee meeting will 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,560 be September 14th. September We moved it. 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:13,920 » 16th. >> The 16th at 5:00. 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:20,240 And we will be approving that here soon. At 1454 Rome Corners Road at 7:00 p.m. 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:26,680 I know announcements, no old business, so we'll go right into new business. 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:31,200 Motion to approve resolution 2026-8-1, authorizing execution of an agreement 26 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:36,960 for deposit of public funds with the First Commonwealth Bank, Mallowy. 27 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:41,720 » Uh that's just the general agreement between the trustees and the bank to 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:47,421 keep our money deposited in First Commonwealth Bank. 29 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:51,240 I think it runs till 2031. >> [snorts] 30 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,360 » I'll make a motion to approve that. >> I'll second it. 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,800 » Vote. >> Trustee Howard. 32 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,960 » Yes. >> Trustee DeCola. 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,960 » Yes. >> Trustee Chucky. 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:03,880 » Yes. >> Motion to approve resolution 2026-8-R1 35 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:09,759 objecting to the type two annexation section 709.023 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:15,959 to the village of Galena of 58.4 plus acres, more or less, from Berkshire 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:18,400 Township. Any questions on it? All right. I'll make a motion to 38 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,720 approve. >> I'll second that one. 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,880 » Vote. >> Trustee Howard? 40 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,640 » Yes. >> Trustee Detillo? 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:28,160 » Yes. Yes. 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:33,440 » Motion to approve resolution 2026-8-R2 approving the bid specification for roof 43 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:36,440 replacement project. Kevin. >> This is Oh, 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,440 that's really loud. Sorry about that. 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,840 Uh this is we uh found out a couple of months ago that 46 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:51,040 we have some active leaking spots in our roof, both uh on 47 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:57,480 this side and in the maintenance bays. Um had a contractor come out and 48 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:01,560 um contacted our insurance. Cuz this contractor was saying there there was a 49 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:06,280 little bit of hail a lot of hail damage. So, the insurance company decided that 50 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:10,160 uh it will cover an entire roof replacement, including the new section. 51 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,920 Um so, it's about 168,000 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,360 and change. Um the bid specs that are before you 53 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,560 have been vetted through the um 54 00:03:19,959 --> 00:03:26,000 county prosecutor and 55 00:03:23,959 --> 00:03:29,239 after this the the next item on your list is 56 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:34,600 uh sister to this. It is um 57 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,640 allowing me to advertise for bids for the project. 58 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:45,640 » Any questions? I'll make a motion. >> Make a motion to approve. 59 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,600 » I can second that. >> Vote. 60 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,760 » Trustee Howard? >> Yes. 61 00:03:47,959 --> 00:03:49,640 » Trustee Detillo? >> Yes. 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,239 » Trustee Chisholm? >> Yes. 63 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:56,560 » Motion to approve advertising the notice to for the roof replacement project of 64 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:00,840 Berkshire Township maintenance facility and Township office. Kevin just 65 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,680 explained that. So, I'll make a motion to approve. 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,720 » Second. >> Vote. 67 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,520 » Trustee Howard. >> Yes. 68 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,600 » Trustee DeTullio. >> Yes. 69 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:12,240 » Trustee Schock. >> Yes. 70 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:15,520 » Motion to approve resolution 2026-8-R3, a cooperative agreement with the 71 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,560 Delaware County Finance Authority. Chris, 72 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,320 come up and >> A moment you have when you come up. 73 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,960 » I know. >> Okay. This 74 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,680 All right. Um thank you, Mr. Chair. Um 75 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:30,760 Chris Connolly with Taft Law. Uh I'm here representing the Delaware County 76 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:36,200 Finance Authority on a project that we we've kind of called the Four Winds 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:40,840 Drive project. Basically, um north of 36 37 along Four Winds Drive, 78 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:45,200 there where that residential development is. There's both apartments and 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:50,000 single-family homes back there. Um what what the Finance Authority would be 80 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,640 looking to do would be to issue bonds through its bond fund, 81 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,800 um backed by TIF revenues that uh from the 82 00:04:55,280 --> 00:05:02,200 Township. So, back in 2017, I think, uh we uh approved 83 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:07,360 a TIF um on on that um the Township approved a 84 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:10,600 a TIF on that project back there. That project's fully built. The TIF's cash 85 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,240 flowing. Um it it's an attractive uh an 86 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:18,360 attractive project for the Finance Authority because, you know, when you 87 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:22,680 have when you take construction risk out of the mix when something's already 88 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:27,503 built, it yeah, investors like that. So, um what you have before you uh this 89 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,160 evening is a draft cooperative agreement >> [gasps] 90 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:33,600 » um that is among the Delaware County Finance Authority, the Township, the 91 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:38,160 developer here, which is Brook Dock Investments, and Argent Institutional 92 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:44,280 Trust Company, which is the trustee for the bond fund at the DCFA, and it 93 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:48,280 contains the mechanics for how the TIF dollars are used to service the debt of 94 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:53,480 the bonds. And um the township's only obligation under 95 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:58,760 that is to uh is to pledge the TIF revenues 96 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:04,560 directly to the trustee to be held by the bond trustee and then paid out 97 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:10,800 and and then paid out as as debt service is paid on those bonds. So, there's no 98 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:17,440 uh general obligation the obligation pledged from the township. There's no 99 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:21,040 uh really no financial obligation from the township other than other than 100 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,960 turning those TIF funds over. If the TIF funds are not sufficient, then the 101 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:28,640 developer bears the risk of that not happening. But, I think that's a pretty 102 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:33,760 low risk for this project considering we have good ideas to what the TIF revenues 103 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:39,280 are. So, it's similar to what what the township did for the Tanger 104 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:43,600 Outlet Mall bonds and then more recently the N20 Realty Mercedes dealership the 105 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,960 infrastructure there that was part of the CFA's bond fund last year. A similar 106 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,760 cooperative agreement that I modeled this one off of that one that that that 107 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,960 the township [clears throat] approved to to help help facilitate that project. 108 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,480 So, I'm happy to answer any questions that 109 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:05,440 anyone has. But, that's sort of a 10,000-ft summary of what the what the 110 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,440 request is that's before you tonight. 111 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:13,520 » So, I'm I'm I am a little bit confused on this. Is this 112 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,840 Do they get paid back for putting in the infrastructure? Is that what this does? 113 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,820 » Yes, it essentially the developer paid for the infrastructure. The 114 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,560 infrastructure's in. >> [gasps] 115 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:28,040 » Um and they um what and they have a TIF agreement with 116 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:32,640 the township that's existing meaning that they can get reimbursed using TIF 117 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:38,120 funds. What the ask is here is to seek a bond issuance to monetize that stream so 118 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:41,800 they can get paid right now. Um so, that that's what the ask is. Yes, the 119 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,480 infrastructure's already in, already paid for, 120 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:49,960 Um and the developer submitted proof of cost 121 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:53,560 and payment that I've gone over with administrator Vaughn and talked about 122 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:56,600 and sort of gone through that that process because that's one of the 123 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:00,880 requirements is that the developer submit a cost certification that's 124 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:04,200 signed to the township saying, "These are the costs we incurred." The township 125 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:08,680 says, "Yes, those are the the right costs. They're eligible under 126 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:12,040 under the TIF arrangement." >> So, this just gets them the money more 127 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,640 quickly. >> Rather than over time, yes. 128 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:19,240 » So, the county is holding delaying them they're holding 129 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:26,440 The developer gets the money fast, like right away, and then the county is using 130 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:30,000 the bond money to pay them. >> Yes, exactly. 131 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Exactly. So, they they they will go out there's an underwriter who will go out, 132 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:38,880 sell these bonds in the in the capital market, someone will buy the bonds, and 133 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:42,400 then that investor will get paid as the TIF revenues come in. 134 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:42,400 » Yes. 135 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:50,760 » Any other questions? >> Then we'll make a motion. 136 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,920 » You want to make a motion? I'll second it. 137 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,040 » I I'll second it. 138 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:58,560 » Vote. >> Trustee Howard. 139 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,560 » Yes. >> Trustee Detella. 140 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,440 » Yes. >> Trustee Chuck. 141 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,080 » Yes. >> Thank you. 142 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,400 » All right. Thank you. >> Thank you for the explanation. 143 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,160 » Absolutely. If if there's ever if you have any questions after this, Kevin 144 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,480 knows how to get me, don't feel free to reach out. I'm happy to 145 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,440 » Happy to talk. >> All right, thanks, Kevin. 146 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:17,080 » Thank you. >> All right. Motion to approve resolution 147 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:22,800 2026-8-R for approving the buyback and transfer 148 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:28,839 of cemetery plots 15-20-1 and 15-20-2 149 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:33,320 from Dean Zeisler at a price of $200, which is equal to the amount paid for 150 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:36,480 them in the March 2008. Pretty self-explanatory. 151 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,680 » Oh. >> Yeah. 152 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,400 Okay. >> I I'm Julie. 153 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,680 If you have any questions on this, pretty self-explanatory. 154 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,680 Okay. All right. 155 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,400 I'll make a motion to approve your address, right? 156 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,080 » Yes, 66th Street in Ohio. >> All right, Stephen made the motion. 157 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,040 » I'll make a motion. >> I'll second. 158 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,680 » Vote. >> Trustee Howard. 159 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,640 Yes. >> Trustee Detillo. 160 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,360 » Yes. >> Trustee Chock. 161 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,000 » Yes. >> Motion to accept the resignation of 162 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,800 Connor Woodford effective August 13th, 2026. 163 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,280 Um quick explanation just to 164 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:16,200 for the crowd out here. He's one of our maintenance guys and he is moving on to 165 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:20,600 a better opportunity, so we wish him well. And I will make the motion to 166 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:22,640 approve. >> Second. 167 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,800 » Vote. >> Trustee Howard. Yes. 168 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,800 » Trustee Detillo. >> Yes. 169 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,440 » Trustee Chock. >> Yes. 170 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,560 » All right. Motion to approve vacation payout for 171 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:36,320 unused vacation time to Connor Woodford in the amount of $1,405 172 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,320 and 8 cents. >> I'll second that. 173 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,920 » I first it. >> Did I first it? 174 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,600 » I thought you did. >> Okay, I will. 175 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,480 » Then I'll second. >> I already second. Vote. 176 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,680 » Trustee Howard. Yes. >> Trustee Detillo. 177 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,839 » Yes. >> Trustee Chock. 178 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,240 » Yes. >> All right, motion to approve moving the 179 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:58,839 September Trustee meeting from Monday, September 14th, 2026 180 00:10:54,080 --> 00:11:01,640 to September 16th, Wednesday at 5:00. >> I'll make that motion. 181 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,400 » And I will second that. >> Vote. 182 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,600 » Trustee Howard. Yes. >> Trustee Detillo. 183 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,720 » Yes. >> Trustee Chock. 184 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,920 » Yes. >> All right. 185 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:13,160 If there's no more for discussion, we will go into public participation, so 186 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:15,760 everyone out there if you can keep it at 3 minutes cuz 187 00:11:14,657 --> 00:11:20,120 » [laughter] >> So 188 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,120 » I'm online. 189 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,480 » Anybody? >> I do have a question if I may. 190 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:28,200 » Oh, yeah. Bring it up here. We're loaded for bear here. 191 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,120 » approved it. What's the 58 acres that Galena wanted that you're not approving? 192 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,320 How's that one? >> We're we're 193 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,200 it. >> Is that that cedar thing that road 194 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,480 courses? >> No, this is on Trenton Road. 195 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,280 Um it's further up there on Green Valley. 196 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,520 » Oh, so how can you deny it at the moment? 197 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,040 » We're just opposing it. >> We're just opposing it. Yeah, we can't 198 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,440 deny it. >> Oh, okay. 199 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:50,960 » So there's a way we can. So there's a couple of things in New Higher Revised 200 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Code that have to check boxes in order for the annexation petitioner to be 201 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,480 successful. >> Oh. 202 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:59,680 » Um as we go through those check you know 203 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:05,040 those checkpoints, one of them is that 204 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,920 the annexation cannot create an island of township. 205 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,200 And >> Oh. 206 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:15,480 » by this annexation it creates an island of township, so we're objecting to the 207 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,680 annexation petition for that reason. >> Okay, so that's the first thing we've 208 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:22,280 discussed before. Then while I'm sitting down here again 209 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,240 Mary, can I ask about the community center? 210 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,960 » Yeah, I have it. >> Oh yeah, yeah. He he meant to mention 211 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,080 that. >> Yeah, yeah. Um 212 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:33,160 so the Eastern Delaware County Joint Recreational District has been meeting. 213 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Um their last meeting was to go into 214 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:43,200 executive session to discuss specific sites. The meeting before that 215 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:50,800 two couple of meetings before that we I participated in those. Um 216 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:54,480 and it was to create a matrix for the selection of the site that they were 217 00:12:52,920 --> 00:13:01,080 going to consider and I think they wanted three to five sites for their 218 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:05,480 the board to consider um moving forward. So their last meeting as I mentioned 219 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,974 they went into executive session. I'm not on that board, so I wasn't 220 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,400 privileged to be in >> [clears throat] 221 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:14,920 » in their executive session. So um I did I haven't heard what the 222 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:20,800 outcome of that was or what sites have have or have not been selected. Their 223 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:25,520 next meeting is October 20 I'm sorry, not October, August 224 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:30,720 25th. >> I thought that was the end of 225 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:35,400 » Yeah, the 25th and it will be here. >> Oh, okay. And this is where a community 226 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:37,880 center that offers what? >> So 227 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:43,120 » That's supposed to be determined. >> Yeah, they're they're still working on 228 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:48,720 what that scope looks like. Um primarily the the main focus is a 229 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,720 recreation center like a >> Oh, but an indoor. 230 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,000 » Yes. >> Okay. 231 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:58,560 » Um secondarily, you know, can there be uh 232 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:02,120 athletic fields outside, um 233 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:06,600 some something like that. I think that that's secondary to their main purpose 234 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,320 of trying to create a uh 235 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:15,000 community recreation center for the for the 236 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:18,520 community as a whole, Sunbury, Galena, and Berkshire. 237 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,920 » And this board was created about a year and a half ago. There's two members from 238 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,880 Galena, two members from Sunbury, two members from Berkshire. 239 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:29,880 And they're working to see they done some 240 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,880 some 241 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:37,080 They've submitted various questions, um questionnaires, trying to get input 242 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,480 from the residents. Um yeah, I'm surprised you haven't heard about it at 243 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,600 all. Um and 244 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:47,800 otherwise to take but So, anyway, yeah, so um this is they're 245 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,760 and they're just trying to put it all together to make it happen and then they 246 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:56,400 would bring this package together and present it to the 247 00:14:53,600 --> 00:15:00,240 residents of these two communities cuz they'll ultimately have to vote on it 248 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,720 and whether to pass it and whether and how to pay for it. 249 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,760 » more information on this on our website, the Berkshire Township website? 250 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,160 » There isn't a whole lot of more information. 251 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:13,560 » It's still pretty light on information. >> I mean, it's really 252 00:15:11,839 --> 00:15:18,280 it's in the formation stages of >> Okay. Okay. Okay. 253 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:21,640 » They're trying hard but it's all in the They really want to get it to the 254 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:26,000 voters, I believe next spring. 255 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,000 » Yeah, probably. Yeah, you'll