1 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,519 up for new and uh new will be on the agenda. It'll be an agenda item, so 2 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:34,000 there will be no need to have it under public comment. Before I call the 3 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:36,720 meeting to order, um when we do have public comment, if you could just keep 4 00:14:35,199 --> 00:14:40,079 your comments to three minutes or less, state your name and address up here at 5 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:45,360 the front of the podium. Even though you have it signed in here, we need it uh 6 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:48,880 verbally for the record. And um just know the public won't be able to respond 7 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:53,519 to you especially uh if there's some topics on here uh particularly we won't 8 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:57,040 be able to respond. Um any item on the agenda here I will open up for public 9 00:14:55,519 --> 00:15:00,720 comment and I think that that should cover 10 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:05,040 everything. Okay. So let's uh start out and I'll 11 00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:08,880 call the meeting to order. Will you please stand and join me in the 12 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:14,000 pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 13 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:20,000 United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation 14 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:26,120 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 15 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,120 » Thank you. Click call the role, please. 16 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,800 » Mayor Carsp >> here. 17 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,480 » Mayor Prom Murphy >> here. 18 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,480 » Trusty Hardy, >> yes. 19 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:35,839 » Trusty Alrech >> here. 20 00:15:34,959 --> 00:15:38,160 » Trusty Wing >> here. Trusty Ays 21 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,959 » here. >> Trusty Brody will be absent this 22 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:45,279 evening. >> Thank you, Clerk. All right. Next on the 23 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:50,560 agenda is citizen participation. I'm looking for anything. This all looks to 24 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:56,079 be for new except one and the one is for Richardson which we can put under the 25 00:15:52,560 --> 00:16:00,880 parks master plan update. >> That sure. Okay. So, um we'll just move 26 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,800 on now to consent. Do trustes like anything removed from consent? 27 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:08,000 Otherwise, is there a motion to approve? >> Motion to approve. consent items. 28 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:11,360 » All right. Uh, Trusty Hardy's move. Trusty Wing has seconded. Clicker, can 29 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,720 we have a roll call vote, please? >> Trusty Wing, 30 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,079 » yes. >> Trusty Hardy, 31 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,519 » yes. >> Trusty Ays, 32 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,279 » yes. >> Mayor Prom Murphy, 33 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,720 » yes. >> Trusty Alrech, 34 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,000 » yes. >> Mayor Carsback, 35 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:25,120 » yes. Thank you. >> Is Trish Werner in the uh audience 36 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,320 tonight? Welcome, Trish. If you could come to the front here. Trish is from 37 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:34,079 the League of Women Voters, and uh we have a proclamation for you tonight, 38 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:37,199 and this is for Women's Equality Day. I can uh would you like for me to read it 39 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,920 and then if you'd like to add anything or 40 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,639 » Sure. >> Okay. Great. 41 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:45,839 » Whereas on August 26th, 1920, the 19th amendment to the United States 42 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,199 Constitution was certified, securing women's right to vote and marking a 43 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:53,279 historic victory in the long struggle for women's equality. And whereas 44 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:57,519 women's equality day serves as a tribute to the generations of women who fought 45 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:01,519 tirelessly, courageously, and relentlessly for the fundamental right 46 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:05,679 to participate in our democracy. And whereas the League of Women Voters, 47 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:09,439 founded in 1920, just months before the ratification of the 19th Amendment, has 48 00:17:07,919 --> 00:17:14,000 stood at the forefront of the movement to protect and expand voting rights, 49 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:18,880 promote civic engagement, and empower voters for over a century. And whereas 50 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:24,559 despite the progress made, barriers to equality and equitable representation 51 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:29,440 persist in many areas of society, including pay, equity, reproductive 52 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:33,200 justice, representation in leadership roles, and full access to the ballot. 53 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:37,760 And whereas we honor and continue the work of trailblazers like Sojourer 54 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:42,480 Truth, Susan B. Anthony, IdB Wells, Alice Paul, and countless unnamed women, 55 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,400 especially women of color, whose voices and leadership have shaped the course of 56 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:50,720 history. And whereas the League of Women Voters remains committed to advancing 57 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:55,200 inclusive democracy, defending the right to vote, and ensuring that every voice 58 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:59,840 is heard in the dem democratic process. Now, therefore, we commemorate women's 59 00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:03,520 equality day, August 26, as a day to celebrate the importance of the women's 60 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:07,600 suffrage movement and the work to secure and expand equal rights today. Further, 61 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:13,120 let it be resolved that I, William Karpc, mayor of the town of Berth, do 62 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:18,320 hereby proclaim two Tuesday, August 26, 2025 as Women's Equality Day in the town 63 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:24,880 of Berth. And I'll go ahead and sign this 64 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:27,360 12th day of August 2025. Would you like to, you don't have to. 65 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:31,280 Would you like to add anything by chance? Okay. Well, thank you for 66 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:38,709 bringing this before us. Let's give a round of applause. 67 00:18:33,670 --> 00:18:38,709 [Applause] 68 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,520 Excellent. 69 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:52,080 Okay. Um, let's move on. Now, I'd like to bump up new, but um, we can do this 70 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,440 Excel Energy update and presentation by Hans Rodick. 71 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Is Mr. Rodick in the room tonight? Welcome. We have a full crowd. 72 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,480 » Thanks for being here. >> Picked quite the day to come and 73 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:04,240 present. Everybody gets to learn about Excel. 74 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:09,200 » That's right. >> Let's see here. Do I use the clicker? 75 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,559 Okay. Thank you, uh, Mayor Carspec and town board. Chris, thanks for having me 76 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:16,480 and coordinating. Uh, we're just going to do a quick presentation here today to 77 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:20,559 give you guys an update about who XL Energy is. Uh, it's kind of unique 78 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:25,760 timing for us as we're in conversations with uh, reestablishing our franchise 79 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:30,640 agreement with the town of Berthood. Uh, we've been serving the community for 80 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:36,080 many decades now. Um, but we're looking forward to getting that done. So, Excel 81 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:40,640 Energy, we're a uh a nationwide utility. We're a dual fuel company where we have 82 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:45,520 electric and natural gas service. Um, our our corporate headquarters is in 83 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:49,080 Minnesota with our largest secondary base here in Colorado. 84 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:56,880 Um, basically this slide kind of shows what we're This one has the right 85 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:01,760 figures on it on the left hand side there. is supposed to show what our 2005 86 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:08,720 emission levels were and what they are today in 2024. Um, we're at about a 57% 87 00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:14,160 reduction so far and on track to hit that 80% reduction by 2030. And you can 88 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:19,280 see our our energy mix here in the state of Colorado. So, we've got a pretty 89 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:24,160 unique uh blend. Actually, this is companywide. We have we have no nuclear 90 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:27,919 here in this in Colorado. So, our long range vision, we kind of 91 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:32,080 have four main pillars. We want to be safe, we want to be clean, we want to be 92 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:37,600 reliable, and we want to be affordable. So, trying to plan uh today's work to 93 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,280 ensure that those goals are met uh takes a lot of hard work, and we've got about 94 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:46,559 4,000 employees here that are working every day to achieve these goals. 95 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:50,880 But kind of diving in a little bit deeper, we've got our short-term goal of 96 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:56,240 2030 where we're on we're on track to hit that uh state mandate of an 80% 97 00:20:53,200 --> 00:21:02,080 reduction in the CO2 emissions. Uh we've got our goals related to our natural gas 98 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:06,640 service. Uh by 2035, we're going to have taken a step internally as a company to 99 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:11,280 have converted uh roughly 20% of our fleet to EVs. Actually drove here from 100 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:15,360 Gley in an EV. It's pretty sweet. Folks want to check it out in the parking lot. 101 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:20,080 You can see the wrap on it. Uh and then by 2050, looking ahead, we've got some 102 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:24,320 pretty intense uh and aggressive goals to be fully carbon-f free when it comes 103 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:28,159 to our electric generation. Uh we're going to be a net zero natural gas 104 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:33,919 service and have a lot of options for that EV infrastructure. 105 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:38,080 Turning here to the state, uh you can see this is our service territory. So 106 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:42,159 obviously we're here in Berth uh but we go basically all the way to the southern 107 00:21:39,679 --> 00:21:46,400 border out west to Grand Junction and then up north to Wyoming. Uh I'm the 108 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:51,919 area manager for northern Colorado. So I cover Lammer County, Well County, Logan 109 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:55,760 and Morgan counties and then additional uh three eastern plains counties where 110 00:21:53,679 --> 00:22:00,640 we have some of our large renewable wind assets. Uh so our our mix of customers 111 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:06,559 is pretty even there on electric and natural gas. 112 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:11,200 This is our our energy mix in Colorado. Uh we're going to be out of the coal 113 00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:15,840 business roughly by 2030. That is the target if all goes well. We're uh 114 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:20,799 converting a couple of plants to natural gas. Our pawn plant in Morgan County is 115 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:25,760 in the process of converting. And then you can see the wind and solar. Uh those 116 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:31,600 numbers are going to tick up here as we get closer to 2030. You can see uh very 117 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:39,640 substantial jumps in our wind and solar generation and we expect to be 88 8% 118 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,640 carbon-f free uh by 2030. 119 00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:48,960 So and again this is in back in 2018 we came out as the first company nationwide 120 00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:53,840 to establish uh those production those emissions reduction targets by 2030. And 121 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:59,760 we've been leading on that effort uh really over the last decade. 122 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:04,559 In 2019, uh, we got started with the Colorado 123 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:09,039 Clean Energy Plan and that portfolio was fully approved this last year by the 124 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:13,600 Colorado Public Utilities Commission, which were fully regulated by. So any 125 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:17,440 sort of our big plans to build a new power plant or build very large 126 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:23,360 transmission lines has to go through the PUC. And you can see the diverse mix of 127 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:28,080 energy resources. Uh just to your east in uh Well County, we're going to be 128 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,559 adding a couple new uh gas combustion turbines to our fleet. So to have that 129 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:38,480 firm and dispatchable generation on the system for super hot days like we're 130 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:42,480 experiencing right now. Uh we're going to be able to do all this 131 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:46,960 over the next uh five years. We're talk a little bit more about our um 132 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:52,240 substantial investment plan, but the the goal and our projections are to continue 133 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:56,640 to keep our bills uh below that national average and to keep any sort of 134 00:23:54,080 --> 00:24:04,159 increases below this standard historical rate of inflation, that that 2 to 3% uh 135 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:08,400 range, not co inflation. So, like I mentioned, over the next uh 136 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:13,120 five years as a company, we're going to be raising and deploying about 45 137 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:17,440 billion dollars of investment of of investment across our eight states. The 138 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:22,960 bulk of that is going to come here to Colorado. We're looking at roughly $22 139 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:28,080 billion. So, um, that's going to include everything from the new generation, you 140 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:33,440 know, new wind farms, new solar farms, new gas plants, uh, maybe nuclear one 141 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:37,600 day, depending on how the state uh, looks at that. And then we're going to 142 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:41,200 be doing a lot of transmission, which is kind of the backbone of the electricity 143 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:46,400 network, our grid, the big tall transmission lines that take that 144 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:49,840 generation uh, from the power plants, bring it to a substation. We're going to 145 00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:53,679 be building a lot more substations over the course of the next five years 146 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:59,120 because we're seeing more demand on our system than we ever have basically since 147 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:03,600 the 1950s and60s when AC became a thing. Um, and so it's going to be a very 148 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,200 aggressive plan. We have a lot of high hopes that it's going to go well. We got 149 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:11,520 to work with communities like yourselves to make sure that we can build our 150 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:15,200 infrastructure to serve, you know, end users like everybody here in the in the 151 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:20,080 room. So this kind of the breakdown of that 152 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:23,600 $22 billion uh generation is actually not as large as you would think it would 153 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:28,240 be. We're really going to be working a lot a lot on our distribution system. So 154 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,559 that's customer impact that increases reliability and that that increases 155 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:37,840 capacity for towns like yourselves to continue to grow and attract businesses. 156 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:41,679 You'll see a lot of transmission. Um and here in a second here we'll talk a 157 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:46,559 little bit about our wildfire mitigation. Uh, as I was driving in on 158 00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:51,840 56th, I looked at the foothills over here and saw some smoke. And so, it just 159 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:56,080 reminds us how important it is to uh for us as a utility to ensure that we're 160 00:25:54,400 --> 00:26:01,200 doing everything we can to make sure our system is safe and does not cause any 161 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:07,840 sort of catastrophic wildfires. Um, our Colorado Pathways, it's a five 162 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:11,440 roughly 500 miles of new transmission, uh, starting at Fort St. rain and doing 163 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:15,840 basically a giant horseshoe back up to Denver. Um, it's our it was our largest 164 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:20,320 infrastructure project to date as a company and we're still continuing 165 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:24,960 progress on it. This just touches on our our EV 2050 166 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:29,200 vision. I don't want to dive too much into that. I want to be respectful 167 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:33,360 everybody's time. Uh, we do have these plans before the PUC to enhance that EV 168 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:39,440 infrastructure which is really the critical uh kind of first step to making 169 00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:43,840 sure that more EVs can get on the road. a little bit of the fun stuff. We uh we 170 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,440 have a lot of programs to make sure that our customers have, you know, the most 171 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:52,559 efficient homes and businesses as possible and we really try to do a lot 172 00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:57,200 of outreach on those on those programs and uh looking forward to bringing some 173 00:26:55,279 --> 00:27:02,400 more of those resources to the community as we move forward. 174 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:07,039 just a little bit of uh our impact here in the state in terms of supporting 175 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:11,600 local jobs, supporting local communities and what we do to give back to the to 176 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:15,679 the places that we live in. Uh we got a lot of great, you know, 177 00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:18,720 stats on here, but I think it's just a great thing. Every year we do what's 178 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:23,039 called our day of service in midepptember where companywide. We get 179 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:28,000 hundreds of projects and you'll probably see a ton of people out wearing their XL 180 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:34,080 red shirts uh you know working at various projects in their communities. 181 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:39,120 We're a big military support uh company. We we love our veterans. Got a lot of 182 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:43,440 veterans actually within our various teams. So we we're highly supportive of 183 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:50,080 them and what they do for us. Real quick on the wildfire mitigation. Uh Berth is 184 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:54,480 on that on our tier two risk zone. And so tier one is our lowest, tier two is 185 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:59,360 our mid, and tier three is our our highest risk zone. The further west you 186 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:02,960 go towards the foothills, the more of a of a high risk we're going to see. We 187 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:07,360 don't have as many electric assets over there. Uh so that that's kind of a good 188 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:12,880 thing for us, but further south in Boulder County and some of those other 189 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:18,559 southern counties, very high risk. We have uh done a substantial amount of 190 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:22,320 work over the last couple of years. Uh a lot of that work is at the distribution 191 00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:28,080 system level. So replacing high-risisk poles, visually inspecting lines, using 192 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:32,159 drones to inspect our our transmission lines and those real mountainous areas 193 00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:36,640 and making sure that, you know, we're replacing any sort of equipment that is 194 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:41,440 potentially on its way out ahead of schedule. 195 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:46,240 And we've got a whole a whole plan that was actually approved by the PUC uh just 196 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:50,640 in the last couple of months to execute this work and happy to come back at any 197 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,960 time to give you guys more of an update on that. But I obviously want to make 198 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:59,039 sure you can get to the uh the hot topic here in the room. So I appreciate 199 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:03,120 everybody's time. I left everybody uh except Trusty Alrech with my card. So 200 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,360 I'll make sure you have that. If you guys ever have any questions about what 201 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:09,840 we do, what we have going on, and any other services we provide, just give me 202 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:16,120 a shout. >> Thank you. 203 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,120 You are it. We're all here for you. 204 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:21,120 » There you guys go. >> Thank you. 205 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,960 » Any questions? >> I have one. 206 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,720 So, I I um I don't know if I got it in an email or or in the US mail, but I 207 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,880 think I received a letter from Excel saying asking for us to cut our usage 208 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,640 during peak times because there was a risk that we may use our power. Can you 209 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,559 speak to that quickly and kind of what's being done to mitigate that? 210 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:48,399 » Yeah, it's a great question. So last week um with very high temperatures and 211 00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:53,200 you know very high demand on the system and some of our generation capacity uh 212 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:57,200 we were we were at risk of having to do some 213 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:02,080 controlled outages to preserve the integrity of the grid. Uh and so we made 214 00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:07,120 it what's called a call for conservation across the state. Reached out to our 215 00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:11,520 local communities and our customers. Um, we used a lot of tools in our toolbox. I 216 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,120 can't go into all of them because it's some guidelines and things that we're 217 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:20,240 not really allowed to discuss in a public setting, but we due to those that 218 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:25,679 call to conservation and the inner workings of our team, we were able to 219 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:30,320 avoid having to do any of those. Um, it's actually pretty unique timing. The 220 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:34,159 public utilities commission this week, last week, and this week has been 221 00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:40,240 debating uh our plan, one of our plans to build more generation 222 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:45,200 And um so it was a pretty unique uh I think factoid for them to consider is 223 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:49,520 that we need that firm dispatchable generation when the wind's not blowing 224 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:53,360 and the sun isn't shining and so things can happen. We have really high 225 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,880 reliability ratings. Uh but nobody is perfect. So we're continuing to you know 226 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,360 move forward with that plan to build that generation of enhanced capacity. 227 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,720 So, with the hot weather, the increased population, I don't know how many data 228 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,919 centers Colorado is getting, but obviously that'll be a draw. Yeah. Do 229 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:14,559 you think this mitigation you just discussed uh will be in effect, possibly 230 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:19,600 when so that we can avoid outages? >> Yeah, it's a good question. So, we're in 231 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:23,279 the process of building out a variety of new generation out east. Couple of new 232 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:28,640 wind farms that are going to be coming online. The uh the new combustion 233 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:34,640 turbines in Well County at Fort St. brain are expected to come on in 2028. 234 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:38,640 And it's, you know, to be honest, it's not soon enough. You get a big data 235 00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:44,960 center, you know, a hyperscaler that's 300 to 800 megawws. For comparison, our 236 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:50,640 Pawn plant in Morton County is 500 megawws. And so trying to figure out how 237 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:55,760 to make that all work and mesh is something that we're in conversations 238 00:31:52,159 --> 00:32:01,360 with the PUC right now. So, uh, yeah, it's it's a very exciting time in the 239 00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:03,440 the energy business and, uh, we will continue to move forward as best as we 240 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,760 can. >> Thank you, 241 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:11,519 » um, if I could, um, I've been following the sustainability actions Excel has 242 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:16,399 been taking for a long time, so I'd like to commend you on your work on that 243 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:21,840 ambitious goal. Um, but I did have a follow-up question on conservation 244 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:26,559 notices. Uh, we received the email, I believe it was from you, maybe like two 245 00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:29,919 hours ahead of time. Is there any way we can get that expedated so we can inform 246 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:35,600 the community? >> That's a very good point. Uh, Trusty 247 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:41,120 Murphy's, um, we were scrambling to be honest on that Thursday. Uh, we had some 248 00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:46,480 internal things happen and pop up and the the information was coming to us as 249 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:50,159 fast as we could get it. Um, I wish that we could have, you know, advanced notice 250 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,960 of it. Uh but sometimes things happen at a generation facility that then tips the 251 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:59,679 scale in the opposite direction of where we need it to be. 252 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:05,440 » Um we're the state's largest utility and we're also basically the balancing 253 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:11,120 authority on the the grid. And so when when some of our assets maybe go down or 254 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:14,320 aren't producing as as much, uh we have a real heightened level of 255 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:18,399 responsibility to make sure we do what we can. Uh, but I I'll take that back to 256 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:23,840 the team to see if there's any way we can, you know, 24 hours in advance or 257 00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:28,320 anything of that nature. But, you know, sometimes things really all the dominoes 258 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:33,039 fall in the wrong direction was really what happened on Thursday. 259 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:36,159 » No, much appreciated. And I think we're willing to forward that information onto 260 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:40,320 the community >> and we do greatly appreciate everybody's 261 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,600 assistance. I know a lot of folks uh from around the region, counties and 262 00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:50,159 town owns were forwarding and putting on social media. So, thank you guys because 263 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:54,480 every every little bit helped. >> Just a quick question. Um, the wildfire 264 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:59,200 mitigation, I appreciate all those efforts, but I was curious if you have a 265 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:03,120 what the procedure is for reinforcing infrastructure that gets taken down with 266 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:06,480 a wildfire, how we get everyone back online with utilities after an incident 267 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:13,040 occurs. >> Yeah. So, we It's a good question. We're 268 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:19,280 a um I'll take a step back. We're really in that a nationally recognized leader 269 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:25,200 in storm restoration. U Minnesota gets a lot of very intense uh storms during the 270 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:28,879 summertime. I've seen way more outages uh coming out of our Minnesota service 271 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:34,800 territory than than we have thankfully experienced this summer. Um when a big 272 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:39,280 event does happen, we are able to rely on what's called mutual aid. So you get 273 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:43,280 a bunch of other utilities nationwide who will come in and support us. So it 274 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:48,399 won't just be XL crews trying to carry that burden and getting everybody back 275 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,440 online. Um so recently we sent probably hundreds of guys from Colorado to 276 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:56,079 Minnesota to help with some of those outages. And when some of the big 277 00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:01,119 hurricanes take place, we'll send crews all down there. So in the event where 278 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,520 you know major wildfire happens and facilities get taken out, power gets 279 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:08,400 lost, it'll be an all hands-on deck effort to get drowned back out as fast 280 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,079 as possible. >> That's awesome. I know that's how the 281 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,119 fire department responds too is sharing resources, but I didn't know Excel did 282 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:19,119 that. So, that's really neat. >> Yeah, it's a pretty cool A lot of the 283 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:24,240 major utilities are part of uh trade associations and we all have these these 284 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:27,119 agreements with each other to assist. So, a line we can pull linemen from 285 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,800 anywhere in the country to come and help. 286 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:36,359 » Thank you. >> Appreciate you guys. Thanks for 287 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,359 appreciate that. 288 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:44,400 Okay, next I will bump up new farm concept park concept update. We'll have 289 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:46,640 uh Keith Null to present on this and I'm going to move it up just given the 290 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:53,560 amount of people in the audience that are here for this tonight. 291 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,560 Welcome Keith. 292 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:28,079 All right. Thank you. We can get started. Um so this is just a quick 293 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:33,920 update from the new farm um park concept update. After the last board meeting in 294 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:40,160 July, um it was brought to our attention to look into doing a conceptual design 295 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:47,520 for the new farm property. The dual farm property is a 13acre property on the 296 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:51,920 east side of uh County Line Road. And so 297 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:58,400 for the planning process, we typically have a handful of uh park properties. 298 00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:02,079 And eventually those park properties if we decide to move f further with them, 299 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:06,400 they usually go first into a conceptual design. Um before the conceptual design, 300 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,760 port committee has been talking about them. Um, as an example, the Juskowski 301 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,240 property we've had as it in our inventory since 2012. Um, every year 302 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,000 I've been on the port committee for about five, six years. We talk about 303 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,760 that property still and just um, you'll see later on that we are trying to get 304 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:26,400 further along with that property into a conceptual design. So, that would be the 305 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:31,280 next step for the the dual farm property is to move it forward into a conceptual 306 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:35,119 design. Uh, this can take anywhere from, you know, six to 12 months depending on 307 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:41,040 how uh, thorough we want to get with this concept design. Uh following that, 308 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:44,079 we go down to usually another year, year and a half to do construction documents 309 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,240 and then there's property construction. So, we're still just uh with this 310 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:51,119 property, we're just learning uh what's possible out there, what would the 311 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:56,320 community like out there, which is the port and the board uh possibly like to 312 00:37:53,359 --> 00:38:01,440 see out there in the future. And so just to follow up, the port 313 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:06,560 committee met about this property last Wednesday. Um following a presentation 314 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:10,720 from staff Sarah and Butch and public comment, the port committee recommended 315 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:16,960 moving forward with a conceptual design. Um there was then a brief discussion 316 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:23,280 following that. Uh we looked at some examples of some amphitheaters because 317 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:27,520 uh with this property there is a yearly uh concert event that takes place up 318 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:32,400 there. Um and so some ideas for the property having an amphitheater or 319 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:36,560 possibly community arts center and and those will be uh the ideas we take in 320 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:42,560 these early discussions uh with consultants as we go out for bid. So the 321 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:48,000 port committee and uh kind of talk about bike and trail access maybe golf cart 322 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:52,000 parking out there and then briefly discussed 323 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:57,680 looking at like the list of amenities that could actually fit on the property. 324 00:38:54,079 --> 00:39:01,280 Um, so it wasn't a a real deep dive and and we're not going into a real deep 325 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:05,839 dive with it tonight. Um, because we still those will be the first steps with 326 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:09,400 the consultants. So that is the update >> addresses questions. 327 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:17,760 » Pretty straightforward here. >> All right. I'll open it up now for uh 328 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,400 quite a bit of people signed up. Um, says again reminder, I'll call your 329 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,640 name. If you could state come to the podium here to the left of the room, 330 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,680 state your name and address and please keep your comments to three minutes or 331 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:30,680 less. We'll start off with Sarah Lincoln. 332 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:51,760 My name is Sarah Lincoln and I live at 236 East Highway 56, home of No Farm 333 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:57,680 Park. Um, good evening trustees. When you bought the farm from us in 334 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:03,920 January 2023 and five of you took part in that purchase. Um, we all understood 335 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:08,320 that the establishment of New Farm as a town park would preserve a cherished 336 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:11,599 farmstead while the town built a music and arts park around the protected 337 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:16,560 structures. For a couple of years since then, New 338 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:21,040 Farm Park was put on the back burner to make headway on other important parks 339 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,720 projects. Recently though, it's become apparent that New Farm Park needs to be 340 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:30,800 moved from the back burner to the front burner and kept there. And here's why. 341 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:35,280 First, developments are now occurring around the park. The town needs drawings 342 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:39,680 and words to reference when they communicate the original vision and 343 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:44,720 intended use of Noah Farm Park to others. To make my second point, I just 344 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:48,760 want to ask how many people are here for no for no park? 345 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:56,800 We hear for the past decade so many people who talk to us at the farm 346 00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:00,079 concert and in between like these folks that they want an amphitheater and they 347 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:06,400 would like it there because they know it works. Um their words are we need a 348 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:10,480 larger amphitheater and we need more concerts. 349 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,880 So to underline this point, I'd like to read from the 2024 parks and recreation 350 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:20,880 community survey where the community at large asked for this as well. And I 351 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:26,640 quote, "Overall the top rated future amenities in terms of importance include 352 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:32,319 bike and running trails, an outdoor pool, natural areas, and an 353 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:36,240 amphitheater. The town is currently making good 354 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:42,000 progress on trails, natural areas, and an outdoor pool. And that's awesome. We 355 00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:46,560 now feel we need to start on the new farm park amphitheater. 356 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:51,040 For these reasons, the port, which is the parks and wreck committee, 357 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,440 they reviewed no farm park at their August 6th meeting as Keith Null said, 358 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,839 and they unanimously recommended moving forward with a concept plan for the 359 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:04,720 park, including an amphitheater as part as part of that concept. In that review, 360 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:08,720 it was made clear that funds exist in this year's town budget to create the 361 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:13,520 Kata plan, and we need to take advantage of those funds before the year ends. In 362 00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:19,359 light of all this, I would like to make two requests in closing. First, please 363 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:24,560 vote to start the concept plan now to take advantage of available funding. And 364 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:29,520 second, please keep No Farm Park on the front burner by setting aside 2026 365 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:34,400 funding to move the park through the planning process that Keys outlined and 366 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:39,119 get to the next steps so that these folks here and the greater community 367 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:43,119 know that the amphitheater they want is coming in the not too distant future. 368 00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:46,760 Thank you. >> Thank you very much. 369 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,079 » Next would be Mr. 370 00:42:53,839 --> 00:43:01,839 Oh, hi. My name is Butch Haw. I live at 236 East Highway 56, New Farm Park. This 371 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:06,560 is my wife Sarah. You just heard Sarah mention a word several times in her 372 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:10,720 speech, and that word is community. Bertha is more than just another town 373 00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:15,520 along the road. It's a community of kind, generous people who choose to live 374 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:20,160 here because they want to. From the fifth generation farmers to the 375 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:23,520 hopefield newcomers, this valley provides some of the finest living that 376 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:28,319 can be found anywhere along the front range. And when these people speak up 377 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:33,040 and make their wants and needs known, it's only proper to listen to their 378 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:37,599 requests and act accordingly. There's nothing more powerful in 379 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:42,400 bringing a community together than the arts and music. It's the universal 380 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:47,040 language that exists in all of us, whether we realize it or not, that 381 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:51,599 transcends the challenges we face in everyday life. An independent survey 382 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:56,319 conducted last year revealed the top priorities which Sarah mentioned. In 383 00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:00,720 January 2023, Bertha had purchased New Farm with the 384 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:06,480 idea of eventually making it a music and arts park. Sarah and I would live in the 385 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:11,920 historic 1879 farmhouse until our passing from this life. Now, two and a 386 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:16,720 half years later, we find ourselves with a project nearly forgotten as developers 387 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:22,000 prepare to move dirt and build a subdivision that will surround this park 388 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:26,560 with no plans in place as to how the park will fit in with that neighborhood. 389 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:32,480 So, the next key word to remember tonight is the word wait. We can no 390 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:37,440 longer wait for New Farm Park to be planned, especially with the developers 391 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:42,640 pushing hard to keep the park from being built for its intended purpose. And 392 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:49,200 friends, waiting is an incurable disease. Every day that we wait takes us 393 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:53,040 one day closer to our last sunset. We started the farm concert 22 years ago 394 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:57,359 with a hope that the community would respond to our dream of filling the 395 00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:02,880 valley with music. 150 people showed up for the first one. 396 00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:07,160 And now we sell 500 tickets every year in less than 15 minutes. 397 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:14,960 But that's as many folks as we can handle with our current amphitheater. On 398 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:19,040 one hand, it's great to know that we'll fill our venue every year and we can 399 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:24,319 plan to pay for top tier national talent. On the other hand, only a 400 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:29,760 fraction of the people who love music and the arts are able to attend our 401 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:35,920 yearly shows. What that proved to us, to paraphrase Kevin Cosner and Field of 402 00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:40,880 Dreams, if you build it, they will come. We know after two decades of successful 403 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:45,200 shows, the people in this community will indeed come. 404 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:50,800 So, we're not asking the town to drop anything that's already in progress in 405 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:55,760 favor of New Farm Park. All we ask is for a concept plan to be initiated, paid 406 00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:01,680 for with the funds already budgeted for 25 and for additional funds to be 407 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:05,920 allocated in 26 and beyond as the new farm park moves forward toward 408 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,839 completion, taken from the back burner to the front burner, so to speak. The 409 00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:15,440 community has proven to us that they want this and they deserve to have it. 410 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:19,839 Thank you for your time, citizens. Thank you for your support. 411 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:23,880 » Thank you very much. >> Um Casey Grace. 412 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:39,359 » Hi everyone. Good evening board of trustees. I am Casey Grace. This is 413 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:43,520 Norah Grace and the reason why the farm concert isn't happening this year. So, 414 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:48,560 very cute reason. I live at 218A Cadmin Street. Um, I'm 415 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:52,240 speaking on behalf of New Farm as the operations manager of the annual farm 416 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:56,880 concert, but also as a citizen of Berthood for more than 15 years. Um, 417 00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:02,319 it's really hard to follow up the public comment after Butch and Sarah um because 418 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:06,720 they've covered this vision so well. So, this is what I can add. Uh, many of you 419 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:10,720 have been to the farm to at least see the property and take in the views. Uh, 420 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:15,839 most of you have been to at least one farm concert and have been able to see 421 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:19,280 what this magic is all about. So, I'm proud to talk to my friends and extended 422 00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:24,560 family about how the town of Bertha had bought the farm in 2023 to develop it 423 00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:28,079 further to benefit the community with ideas like a bigger amphitheater, a 424 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:32,480 performing arts center, a community center, and more. But we've reached a 425 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,839 fork in the road with Farmstead third filing where in order to work with the 426 00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:40,960 developer to make decisions that are beneficial to them and for us, New Farm 427 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:44,160 Park needs a fullyfledged concept plan. And since this filing has already been 428 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:48,560 approved, the need for a concept plan has never been stronger. 429 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,640 We've heard from the community that they want an amphitheater and and the new 430 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:57,280 farm team is committed to providing input on that concept plan and logistics 431 00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:02,640 to make it happen. So I have come here tonight to ask two things with regard to 432 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:06,800 New Farm. Number one, please tonight vote to approve moving forward with the 433 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:11,520 concept plan and thereby officially declaring the start to New Farm Park. 434 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:16,880 And two, approve funds to be allocated specifically to New Farm Park in 2026 to 435 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:21,359 keep momentum going for the development into the future. Many of our parks have 436 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:25,920 had great attention paid to them within the last 5 years like Wagner Farm Park 437 00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:29,280 and Town Park. I believe it's New Farm Park's turn to shine. Thank you very 438 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,839 much for your time. >> Thank you very much. 439 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,800 Michael Stein. 440 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:51,280 » Good evening. My name is Michael Stein and along with my wife Carla, uh we live 441 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:58,960 at 310 Victoria Street in uh Thickle Farm just uh about a mile as the crow 442 00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:04,640 flies from New Farm. And I I prompted to be here tonight both from a sense of 443 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:09,520 grief and also a sense of enthusiasm. the the enthusiasm is to en echo what's 444 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:16,559 already been said and to encourage you to move to to move the uh the project 445 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:23,680 and the and the conceptual plan for the project uh forward with with haste. Uh 446 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:27,920 the grief comes from the fact that there won't be a concert this year. There 447 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:32,400 won't be a farm concert this year. We have for the last several years 448 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:38,160 introduced people from Bertha and from around Colorado to the joy that is the 449 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:42,880 farm concert. And now we have to tell our friends that it's not going to be 450 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:47,440 here this year. And uh the only relief from that is I don't get to sit at my 451 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:51,280 computer and and and try to be one of those first people to get tickets 452 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:55,599 because it it happens fast. So you got to got to be on it. 453 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,680 But the people that we have introduced to the concert have come from other 454 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:05,359 places. Uh some of whom travel all over the world and see worldclass venues and 455 00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:10,559 worldclass acts. But they make it a point every year to want to come to 456 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:15,680 Bertha and share this with us because of not just the the talent that comes but 457 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:22,000 also the ambian ambiance that comes along with it and and I don't think you 458 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:28,559 can separate those things. Uh so so the what what speaks for this particular 459 00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:33,680 design and venue. Uh a lot of the cities around here have amphitheaters. They're 460 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:42,000 usually some kind of concrete structure. Uh but th this this concept blends 461 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:47,359 nature and blends the outdoors along with the opportunity to hear music. Uh 462 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:51,520 not only for adults but also for children. There's not a lot of places 463 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:55,760 where you can go and take kids and go listen to a concert and they can kind of 464 00:50:53,359 --> 00:51:02,720 wander around and not be in people's way and and enjoy that. So, um we we need 465 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:07,920 the amphitheater. We need expansion of the amphitheater so even more people can 466 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:14,400 enjoy it. B people from Bertha and from around the the the rest of the state who 467 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:21,040 will come and hear shows here. uh so expansion of of the venue itself and 468 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:27,520 also expansion of the opportunities for other concerts and and other events to 469 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:30,800 be there. Uh and thank you very much for your time and thank you for 470 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,800 consideration. Let's let's get this done. 471 00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:38,440 Deian Mville. 472 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:52,559 » Hello. I'm Dian Mulah Hill. I live at 1504 Chokeberry Street here in Bertha. 473 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:57,280 Good evening, council members and neighbors. I'm here tonight to speak 474 00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:02,160 about New Farm Park, specifically the proof of concept plan that has already 475 00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:06,319 been funded uh by our town budget. The funds are there. The need is clear as 476 00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:11,839 you can see and now it's time for action. Newell Farm Park is more than 477 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:17,760 just an idea on paper. It's an opportunity to create a multi-purpose 478 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:24,880 space where our community can gather together, connect, and enjoy the 479 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:29,920 outdoors in the garden spot of Colorado. This vision includes areas for children 480 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:35,359 to play, families to picnic, walking paths for all ages, and an entertainment 481 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:40,240 venue where we can host concerts, theater performances, festivals, and 482 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:46,319 other events bringing people together while preserving a piece of our 483 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:50,640 heritage. The proof of concept plan is a critical first step. It's how we take 484 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:57,200 this vision and turn it into something tangible. designs, layouts, cost 485 00:52:53,920 --> 00:53:03,200 estimates, and timeliness. Without it, the park remains a someday dream. With 486 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:09,920 it, we can move forward with purpose and momentum. Since the town has already 487 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:16,000 allocated money, the question is not if we can do it, it's when we will start. 488 00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:22,640 The longer we wait, the more likely we are to lose both community enthusiasm 489 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:27,440 and the benefit of current pricing. I'm respectfully asking the council to 490 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:32,640 prioritize this plan and direct that it be started immediately. The residents 491 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:37,839 who supported this budget item deserve to see the visible progress and our 492 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:46,079 community deserves to benefit from this investment sooner than later. I've been 493 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:52,000 asking for a concert venue since 2013. Let's take the fundraising we've already 494 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:56,720 committed and turn it into action. Let's make the new farm project proof of 495 00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:03,520 concept plan with its community gathering spaces and entertainment venue 496 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:06,880 a priority and let's begin the work now. Thank you so much for your time, your 497 00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:10,640 service to the community and your attention this evening. 498 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:16,319 » Thank you. Steve Mo. 499 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:21,040 » Uh my name is Steve Mulvahill, Deian's husband. 500 00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:26,800 Um live at 1504 Chuckberry Street in Berett 501 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:31,839 and been there uh going on 12 years. Um 502 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:37,160 I hadn't planned on speaking. So the first thing I'll say is what she said. 503 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:48,640 I can't I can't duplicate that. There is one point I'd like to ask the the board 504 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:54,240 and the mayor to consider seriously and that is as I've watched the the the 505 00:54:51,280 --> 00:55:00,800 funding grow and the projects grow for a lot of work uh worthwhile recreation 506 00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:04,720 oriented projects. It seems that the town has gotten into the either the 507 00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:12,400 habit or the the model of approving a project 508 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:17,599 and then once the project is approved, altering the project and moving the 509 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:23,680 priority to something else, leaving behind unfinished projects and projects 510 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:31,359 that vary quite a bit from the original approved uh concept by by the voters. 511 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:37,520 So, I think that most of those end up in pretty good shape, but by the same 512 00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:42,960 token, they're not exactly what people were expecting. And they do expect 513 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:48,240 things to be done and they're and I think the things that have been done 514 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:53,119 have been done very well. But we continually get into the same pattern 515 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:58,240 that we're in with New Farm. And that is we we go off on a project 516 00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:03,599 and we get it approved to a certain degree and then the next thing we want 517 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:09,839 to do is start another project and the and the project behind either gets 518 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:15,599 partially done, done late, never done. And in some cases, things are still 519 00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:19,839 sitting there and the concept is is very different than what was originally 520 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:25,200 approved. And I realize it's not possible for the board to come to the 521 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:30,640 town or the the residents every single time that they want to make a change, 522 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:36,000 but I think you should consider the fact that when you originally ask somebody to 523 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:45,040 vote for something, they vote for the package and then the the 524 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:52,160 option of providing input to the town when you go to make a change is is very 525 00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:57,760 short. It's not well distributed and the decision is made for the changes 526 00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:03,119 without consideration for completing the project. So all I'm asking is to 527 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:10,000 complete the projects that are in place and stop putting things aside and re 528 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:15,680 reassessing the whole town putting multiple projects on hold while 529 00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:20,000 something new is started. And in most cases, all these things are years down 530 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:25,040 the road to get completed. So, let's complete some stuff while we have the 531 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:33,319 money and that's it. And then what she said is more than I could have figured 532 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:33,319 out. So, thank you all for your time. 533 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,240 » Uh, next is Karen Simmons. 534 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:50,799 Um, it's probably not the right format. Um, if you could send an email, 535 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:55,920 that'd be better here. We're just doing a public comment right now. Uh, Vance 536 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:59,920 Bunker. >> Well, I don't really have much more to 537 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:04,480 say other than what everybody's already said. Um, excuse me, Vance Bunker. 538 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:10,000 Jackie Nelson, that's my wife, and we live at 1110 Fourth Street here in 539 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:14,480 Berth. Um, we're 12-year veterans of the farm concert and I think we're one of 540 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:20,079 two couples that have been married at the farm concert or at the farm. Uh, 541 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:27,520 that being Butch and Sarah and us. So, um, that place has a special spot in our 542 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:33,839 heart as well as Butch and Sarah. Um um 543 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:40,799 over the years we've seen some epic performances. Some um people like Pete 544 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:45,440 Huntinger who on his guitar played 14 different parts all at the same time. 545 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:50,799 I'm exaggerating, but um as we're watching him, you're you're you're 546 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:57,359 flabbergasted. Am I really listening to this? Is this really happening? um uh 547 00:58:54,160 --> 00:59:02,240 just um different things like Baxter Black and Kevin Davis and the Haunted 548 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:07,599 Windchimes. And one of the most magical moments that I'll probably never forget 549 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:14,079 was when Don Edwards um finished his set with the Coyote song and it's quiet. You 550 00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:19,680 could hear a pin drop out there and there's a full moon and stars and he 551 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:23,680 finishes up this set with that. It's a once in a-lifetime chance. He's now 552 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:28,880 gone. Um not not going to be around anymore. Um but year after year, that's 553 00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:33,200 the acts and the performers that we got to see that Butch brought in. People 554 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:39,119 that have so much talent, in my opinion, they're never going to be famous because 555 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:43,680 they are too talented. Um so, somebody spoke a little while ago about how 556 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:48,319 magical it is. It's extremely magical out there. I have I don't like to go to 557 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:53,839 concerts. I don't like noise. I don't like being surrounded by thousands of 558 00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:58,480 people. To go to the farm concert and be sitting around with 500 of the most 559 00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:03,520 well- behaved people um you've ever been around and then to have sound that you 560 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:08,720 can still have conversation with the person next to you and still not bother 561 01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:12,319 the people in front of you or behind you is it's incredible what they do out 562 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:16,559 there. Um, 563 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:22,240 that's only been done by Butch and Sarah and Casey and Mike. And this little baby 564 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:27,119 right here held up this year's show. That proves that this family has put 565 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:32,799 their heart and soul in this and with volunteer help, of course. Um, but it's 566 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:37,280 time for the town, especially now with the funds in place, get that concept 567 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:41,359 plan going. Let's move into a construction design. Let's figure that 568 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:46,400 out. I agree wholeheartedly that should be being designed as the development is 569 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:51,440 being designed. And the folks that get to buy houses next to that 570 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,640 if they keep putting on the same shows and the same things that have been 571 01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:58,960 happening year after year, what a blessing. They'll be able to walk out 572 01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:05,359 their back door on their deck and watch a really fabulous show. Um 573 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:09,040 it's a I think it's important. Um I don't want to see it drag on like Wagner 574 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:13,040 Farm Park. And I realize that there was other circumstances that the town didn't 575 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,880 have money back 20 years ago when that first started. 576 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,480 » Mr. Buck, we're hitting the three minutes. 577 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:22,000 » Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. >> Um, so um um I realize that was going 578 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:25,119 on. Um but yeah, we got some time and some money. Let's get this done and push 579 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,200 forward. I appreciate you guys. >> Thank you very much. 580 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,599 » Thank you. >> Was 1110 one4 Street correct? 581 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,440 » Yes. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. U Mrs. 582 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:37,160 Simmons, was there a question regarding the wolf farm by chance? 583 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:44,960 I got you. Okay, that'll be at the end of the agenda. I'm sorry to Yeah, 584 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:48,760 dismiss you on that. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh Jane Valier. 585 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:04,480 » My name is Dave Valer. I live at 980 Mountain Avenue. I've lived in Bertha a 586 01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:09,680 long, long time. Um, and I'm pleased that Port recommended the trustees begin 587 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:13,599 concept planning for New Farm Park, Muse, Music and Arts Park, I think is 588 01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:18,640 what they would like to call it. I feel this is a unique location that should be 589 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:23,359 preserved for future use as a performing arts venue. I would like to think that 590 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:28,720 our children and grandchildren will be able to enjoy the farm concerts as we 591 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:32,559 have. Um, and I echo everything that everyone has said about those concerts. 592 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:36,400 It's an unbelievable experience. And if you haven't had one, I hope you get to 593 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:41,280 come next year because it's just really something very special. Um, I understand 594 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:47,119 that you have already allocated money for the concept plan and I am here to 595 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:52,400 urge you to allocate money in 2026 budget to continue that process and move 596 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:59,040 on to the next step in making the music and arts park become a reality. The 597 01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:03,040 window of opportunity is now and I think it is critical for you to act on it 598 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:08,160 immediately. so that it doesn't get lost in a lot of other parks issues and 599 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:13,799 priorities that come to you. Thank you for your consideration. 600 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,799 » Thank you very much. 601 01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:20,440 » Mark French. Welcome. 602 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:26,960 » Yeah, I don't have a uh baby or a script, so you just have to bear with me 603 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:32,960 for three minutes. Uh, my name is Mark French and I live at 2022 French Hill 604 01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:38,640 Drive and that's south of Berth about two miles and I'm a 70 plus year 605 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:42,240 resident of Bertha and I know when everybody sees me they 606 01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:47,680 expect a history lesson so we'll make it real short. 607 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:53,280 The first event in this town in 1884 was a dance in the flower mill. Um, they 608 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:59,960 brought in the band from Longmont. They danced till sunrise. 1884. How far 609 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,960 behind are we? 610 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:08,480 Following that, for about 50 years, there was a band stand in Bertha from 611 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:13,760 the mid1 1890s to 1943. And the band stand was at a variety of 612 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:18,799 different locations from Third Street to the southeast corner of Fourth and 613 01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:25,520 Mountain uh to the school grounds which is now Fickle Park to the U area behind 614 01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:30,240 the United Brethren Church which is now the four square church. Uh we can do it. 615 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:37,520 It's now's the time is to take to take the deep dive. Uh my idea of uh this 616 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:44,240 whole project was that we would have a book end of Wagner Park on one end of 617 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:49,920 the uh community and a book in on the other end of the park and that would be 618 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:54,960 New Farm Park. Uh we're lacking one of those bookends right now. So now it's 619 01:04:52,400 --> 01:05:00,799 time to take the deep dive and move to this conceptual plan and um honor the uh 620 01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:05,359 wishes of all these uh people here tonight. Thank you. 621 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:09,200 » Thank you. >> We have no one else signed up. I 622 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:12,799 understand that the agenda item slot for this was already full. So plus I moved 623 01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:17,119 it up. Is there anyone here that wishes to speak to New Farm that did not sign 624 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:20,319 up? All right. Well, thank you everyone for 625 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:26,319 speaking. I'll close bring it back to the board for deliberation on this. 626 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:31,400 Do you have any other questions for uh staff before we go into deliberation 627 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,400 regarding this concept? 628 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:37,760 Look out again. How do we all feel? I'll just go down the row. I'll start with 629 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:42,960 Trusty Albert. >> Um well, I could not agree more with the 630 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:46,319 sentiment that's in the room. I think there's there's a lack of words 631 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:51,839 for how magical and important the space is for Berthood and the historical value 632 01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:55,039 is unparalleled and the time is now. And so I'm excited that there are 633 01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:00,319 trailblazers in this room who aren't letting this go. We're making sure that 634 01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:05,039 this stays top of mind. And I absolutely support us not only approving the funds 635 01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:08,880 to get the design work in place, but to actually have a motion in place so that 636 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:14,000 we can have a set date and time that we have that plan come back before us. And 637 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:17,920 then I'd also like to make sure that we discuss allocating funds in 2026. I'm 638 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:21,839 not sure what those would look like and what we would need to approve for 639 01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:26,079 funding and that that's where staff can weigh in, but um I definitely would like 640 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:32,079 to see this move forward and and I really resonated with um Mr. Mobile's 641 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:36,559 comments that I think sometimes we can tend to see so many projects ahead of us 642 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:40,319 and and started all on all of them and and not finish some of the more key ones 643 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:44,720 that we need to complete. And so to me, this is one that was ahead of some of 644 01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:48,640 the ones that are on our docket and it hasn't had any traction. And so I'd like 645 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:53,839 to personally see this move up in importance in our our line of events. 646 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:58,319 So, and thank you so much, Mark French, for the history lesson. It it makes me 647 01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:02,400 it makes me positively weepy when I hear about the things that they were doing, 648 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:06,960 you know, in the 1800s. So, thank you again. 649 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:12,640 » Okay. Um, administrator Kirk, on that note with this to answer this question. 650 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:15,440 So, uh, it's a $30,000 ask here or or Keith, I guess it um, when would this 651 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:21,440 come back and forth? Do you have any idea of a timeline 652 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:26,319 » of to actually see a design? I mean, sometimes it takes uh it probably take 653 01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:30,559 us a month to solicit some some bids right now and then typically takes four 654 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:34,799 to eight weeks before they start working on the design because they do some 655 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:37,359 internal research and and dive into the property a little more and then 656 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:43,280 following that it's usually you don't see a design for maybe another eight 657 01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:47,920 weeks. Um we we have had discussions with a design earlier in the year and 658 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:51,039 then that's kind of the timeline they they put on the property. Um, 659 01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:55,359 » okay. >> Just curious. 660 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:59,599 » Um, trusty. >> Um, yeah, I'm obviously super supportive 661 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:04,960 and for what it's worth for everyone, um, if it appears that we're kind of 662 01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:09,839 resting on our laurels, that's not um the face that we like to put out there. 663 01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:12,720 Um, so I'll take my own personal responsibility for that and apologize to 664 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:19,920 you all if that's if that's the appearance that it that it is. Um, 665 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:24,080 the community aspect of this possibility is amazing. Um, as all of 666 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:29,679 the points that were made, it's a bookend. Um, it's a community event. 667 01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:35,040 It's a community venue. It is a legacy of not only Butch and Sarah, but also of 668 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:38,880 the town itself, the community members. It's something that everyone takes part 669 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:45,839 in. It's something that everyone enjoys. Um, and so I think that we can't pass up 670 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:53,759 the opportunity to act as as quickly as we can in government. Um, and on top of 671 01:08:50,159 --> 01:09:01,120 that, if you guys agree, I would suggest that we also um make sure that Butch and 672 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:07,040 Sarah's vision of the property be taken at a high level when any u 673 01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:13,920 designs are being made or whenever plans are being made because they have spent 674 01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:20,880 their lives in this business with this kind of event with this kind of um 675 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:26,319 situation. and they know what they were initially looking for. And whether or 676 01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:31,839 not that comes to 100% fruition, I don't think that we can discount their um 677 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:39,640 ideas for the design and the layouts and the uh the different amenities that that 678 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,640 may or may not be put on this property. 679 01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:49,759 » Trusty Hardy, >> what Carl said. Okay. And then um 680 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:52,719 because I'm in a few words usually. So, but uh yeah, I definitely like the idea 681 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:57,360 of getting a concept plan on here just so that we don't have developers around 682 01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:02,000 the park saying they didn't know what was going on there and then having 683 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:07,600 neighborhoods and houses being purchased going complain about noises, 684 01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:14,159 » complain about noise and and things like that. So having it uh pre-planned would 685 01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:21,199 definitely be helpful for preempting any developments plans. 686 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:25,280 » Thank you for that reminder. We just received mics again. We for a while did 687 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:27,760 not have mics. So thank you for that throughout the night. All right. Thank 688 01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:32,719 you. Um Trusty Wing. >> Yeah. I'm just wondering if Mr. French 689 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:40,239 enjoyed himself at the 1884 dance. I hope you did. Just just just kidding. 690 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:44,960 Just kidding. Hey, uh I absolutely support support getting started with the 691 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:49,920 concept plan. Um I'm very excited to see the plans and uh would absolutely love 692 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:54,159 to attend a concert and there are uh there are wonderful examples of venues 693 01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:58,960 similar to this all across the country and I have a lot of faith in the town 694 01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:03,840 that will come up with a great concept. >> Thank you, Mayor Pro. 695 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:09,120 » Um I've been supportive of this project from the get-go. Um, I thought it was 696 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:14,400 really critical that we get this in the budget last year, which I'm happy staff 697 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:20,480 added. Um, going forth on this plan. I think it's time that we take this 698 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:25,040 concept and provide a foundation for all of you out here in the audience involved 699 01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:29,360 on what this property, what this park, what this concert is going to look like 700 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:34,480 in the future. I think it's important for Sarah and Butch who have made this 701 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:41,120 sacrifice to have their input considered and waited on this. Um, going beyond 702 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:46,800 that, obviously it's incredibly critical for an arts and music venue to have a 703 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:52,000 really in-depth concept plan that includes all the program and elements 704 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:56,880 that go with that. Um, so I would like to see a really detailed level of 705 01:11:54,320 --> 01:12:02,000 concept um, that accounts for a lot of the unique input that you would have 706 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:08,159 from artists or musicians as well as the audience. Um, and then seeing this come 707 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:12,719 back to review um, before us and the port I think is really critical to 708 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:17,520 getting this one right. Um, so I would really love to get this thing moving. 709 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:22,320 Um, and to everyone in the audience, thank you for attending. Thank you for 710 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:28,320 showing up and we want your input on this going forth. Uh we want you at the 711 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:34,560 port meetings to provide that niche input that a venue like this deserves. 712 01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:38,440 So like to thank you all for showing up and let's get it going. 713 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:43,600 » I agree with everything stated and uh Sarah and Butch, thank you for your 714 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:47,760 diligence. Thank you for coming before us several times uh earlier this year 715 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:52,960 recently, keeping our eye on the ball of this uh the developments coming in 716 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:58,080 around you. Um though it wasn't ideal how this all all turned out, I I'm 717 01:12:54,960 --> 01:13:01,360 really happy that you stepped up and um made some calls and we're at at the port 718 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,840 meeting and thank you Keith for um allowing Sarah to to present. I'm very 719 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:10,800 happy that port uh is recommending this going forward and very happy to see the 720 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:15,520 turnout tonight though it does not surprise me. um just the amount of of 721 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:20,719 community that has surrounded you Sarah and Butch and what you guys have done 722 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:24,960 there is truly taken on um its own wings and now part of the town. So um I'm very 723 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:29,520 happy to see this go forward and I agree with everything else the other trustees 724 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:35,199 have said. Um and I also agree too that I the consultants whoever the is chosen 725 01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:39,760 to do this concept plan do interview Sarah and Butch and uh keep them a part 726 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:45,120 of this whole process of of developing this um concept. 727 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:50,239 So that's all I have to add. Um are we all supportive of 728 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:54,560 who made this original suggestion? Trusty errors suggestion of having Sarah 729 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:58,480 Butch be part of this concept plan update interviewed. Okay. And the other 730 01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:02,000 one I think you wanted was a time frame. It sounded like it would be 731 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:05,679 » I think it'd be good to set something out there even six months to say in six 732 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,080 months we'd like to see this come back before us just so that it doesn't go to 733 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:11,760 the wayside. >> Okay, that's fair. Is everyone supported 734 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:18,080 with that? It should be done before that. But okay, great. Okay, sounds like 735 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:20,960 um in it this is level is an update. It's 736 01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:26,480 probably good we do a motion anyway since uh we're directing staff to put 737 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:28,880 30,000 into this. Um so let's say is there a motion? Go ahead 738 01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:32,960 and type >> for clarity. There's already $30,000 in 739 01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:38,000 the budget that we put in uh for this fiscal year. 740 01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:43,520 » We will receive proposals from interested design consultants we can 741 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:46,960 review and um it may or may be may or may not be $30,000. So I think it's a 742 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:50,080 you know you don't have to direct us to spend 30,000. We already have it 743 01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:52,800 budgeted. We're already planning to move forward with the concept plan. It's 744 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,840 great to hear your feedback and the feedback of the community tonight and um 745 01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:58,400 understand the timeline. We'll get it done. 746 01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:02,320 » Um May, >> if I could ask this as well, 747 01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:06,800 Administrator Kirk, um when it comes to a six-month update, would it be 748 01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:10,560 appropriate then to consider um additional supplemental funding for the 749 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:13,280 design process should we choose to go forward at that point? 750 01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:16,400 » Yes, that's our typical process. So, just as a reminder for everybody, the 751 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:20,800 way that that we typically pursue projects is uh they're either identified 752 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:25,600 in a master plan that you've approved or you've directed us to uh put a project 753 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:29,120 at the top of the priority list. Sounds like you're doing that tonight. Um and 754 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:33,440 so we would then solicit proposals from 755 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:37,199 consultants. We either do that in one fell swoop. If we have enough money 756 01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:40,560 budgeted for a larger design effort all the way through construction drawings, 757 01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:45,760 we would go ahead and solicit proposals for that entire amount. Uh at this point 758 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:48,960 we had planned to do a concept plan. Um I think before tonight there hadn't been 759 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,199 talk of expediting construction drawings. So if that's something you 760 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:56,320 want to do in the future, we can certainly do that. Um the intent was to 761 01:15:54,159 --> 01:16:00,000 get a concept plan prepared uh so that we had a kind of an agreed upon vision 762 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:04,480 for the future of that property. >> The um after we do a concept plan, that 763 01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:07,760 typically gets us a pretty good idea of what we're asking a design consultant to 764 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,960 then do from a construction drawing standpoint. That would be the next 765 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,760 phase. That gets us a better price typically because we have a better idea 766 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:17,440 of what that scope of that design work is going to be. We would bring that to 767 01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:22,080 you for approval at that point, budget the funds uh as needed and then move 768 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,800 forward with that design effort. And then once the construction drawings are 769 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:28,560 done, then if you want to build it, you ask us to go out to bid. We 770 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:35,159 » uh go find contractors to do the work and we contract for that work. That's 771 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:35,159 how we've done every park in town. 772 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:42,000 » Does that answer your question? >> Yeah. Um, 773 01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:46,640 so would it be typical to look at like a midsummer adjustment um for this? 774 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:50,960 » Uh, it it depends on how long the concept design takes. Um, 775 01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:54,960 » you know, I think we hear you loud and clear. We'll we'll move this to the 776 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:58,480 front of the list. And um >> I would be surprised if it takes six 777 01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:02,640 months to do a concept plan. >> Um, but the reality is, as you know, 778 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:06,159 there's a thousand things that happen every day. This will be one of them. 779 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,440 » Uh, and we'll work expeditiously to get it done. uh would definitely be done in 780 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:12,159 less than six months. So, if we can be done before the end of the year, you 781 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:16,800 could budget some money to do the next phase if that was your um preference. If 782 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:21,280 not, we could certainly do a meteor budget adjustment or we have um prior to 783 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,760 our mid-year budget adjustment, which typically takes place in August, as you 784 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,400 know, we're going to be doing that at our next meeting. Um, 785 01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:33,840 if you have something you want to add to the budget in March or April or some 786 01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:37,679 other time period prior to that, you know, kind of formal midyear adjustment, 787 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:42,880 you can approve and authorize us to do that work and make the motion at the 788 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:46,000 time to add funds at the midyear. So, we can kind of do that anytime and we will 789 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:49,679 formally incorporate those funds at midyear if needed, but you can authorize 790 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,640 us to do that prior to. Does that make sense? 791 01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:54,400 » Yeah. >> Yeah. And and I I guess from my 792 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:59,520 standpoint, I think we've got enough here and enough direction from port to 793 01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:04,239 for sure move forward on the concept plan and then we'll meet back six months 794 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,600 or sooner. Does that make sense? >> Yep. 795 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,400 » Okay. >> Okay. So, we're good on the direction. 796 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,360 » I think so. >> We're good. 797 01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:15,239 » Yes. >> Okay. Great. Awesome. Thank you 798 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:15,239 everyone. We're here for new. 799 01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:24,440 » Do not feel the need to stay if you don't want to. That's for sure. We 800 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:24,440 appreciate you all showing up. 801 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:32,679 We'll give it a second here. Next on our agenda will be the short-term rental 802 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,679 regulation change. 803 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:52,080 Wow, quite a turn for that. It's impressive. 804 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:55,440 » And folks, if um if so we can keep the meeting going, if you'd like to talk, if 805 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:59,880 you could please discuss outside of the uh boardroom. Thank you. 806 01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:49,159 Come on in. Take a seat. All right. 807 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:56,159 Okay. I'm going to call this meeting back to order. Next on our agenda is a 808 01:19:54,080 --> 01:20:00,000 short-term rental regulations or regulation change, excuse me. This is a 809 01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:04,880 public hearing and I'll have um our senior planning manager, Ton Hill and 810 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:09,880 Brand discuss that in in depth here. Uh thank you all for being here tonight. 811 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,880 I'll turn it over to Ton. Thank you. 812 01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:24,199 All right. Good evening, mayor, trustees, Ton Hill, Brand Town's 813 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,199 planning manager. 814 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:32,239 » Also be Thank you. This is these are all good points. I also want to shout this 815 01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:36,320 this room is notoriously terrible for song. Just since I started it has been 816 01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:38,800 generally we have uh earpieces to help out. I don't know if they're all 817 01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:42,560 deployed already. They are. Okay. Uh we're doing our best here, but there's 818 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:46,640 more remaining. Okay, there's more remaining if folks have a tough time 819 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:51,679 hearing. Thank you. Thank you. >> Excellent. Okay, so as you likely 820 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:58,320 recall, the proposed short-term rental regulations code amendment was first 821 01:20:54,159 --> 01:21:02,719 presented to you on July 22nd, 2025. This is the second reading this evening. 822 01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:08,640 There have been no changes since the last hearing on the 22nd. 823 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:13,920 Before the record, the code amendment proposes removal of the current 200 foot 824 01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:18,159 separation requirement between approved short-term rentals. Since implementing 825 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:23,280 the short-term rental regulations in September of 2024, the town has received 826 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:27,760 consistent feedback from one community member opposing the separation 827 01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:33,280 requirement and requesting its removal or requesting an exemption from the 828 01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:36,960 regulation. This individual was one of the four applicants that was not 829 01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:40,400 approved due to the separation requirement. 830 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:45,840 The planning commission heard the proposed code amendment at their meeting 831 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:51,280 on Jul July 10th, 2025 and voted unanimously to recommend denial of the 832 01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:56,560 proposed uh amendment to the short-term rental regulations to the town board. 833 01:21:54,320 --> 01:22:00,960 The planning commission cited their rationale for denial based on the 834 01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:05,600 original purpose or intent of the separation requirement to protect the 835 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:10,080 sense of community and livability of the town neighborhoods. Based on the reality 836 01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:14,880 that the proposed amendment comes at the request of only one community member and 837 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:19,280 based on the limited amount of time the separation requirement has been in 838 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:23,520 place, which is not sufficient to determine if the separation requirement 839 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:29,040 needs revision. So again, no other changes are proposed. 840 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:34,000 So I have two additional slides this evening and then we'll wrap up rather 841 01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:40,960 quickly I believe. But these slides are here um to show you examples of the 842 01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:45,280 separation requirement. So uh they provide a visual of the existing 200 843 01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:50,560 foot separation and that's per the current regulation and that is shown 844 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:55,360 here in blue and then they also show a 100 foot uh separation which was a 845 01:22:53,360 --> 01:23:00,800 number that was brought up in the p last public hearing. So um again the 100 ft 846 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:04,560 is based on that previous conversation um and we have done no additional 847 01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:08,239 research on the 100 but since it came up we just wanted to show you what that 848 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:12,080 would look like. So again, the blue is the existing 200 foot separation and 849 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:18,719 this uh what you're looking at in example one is the Heron or the yeah the 850 01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:23,840 Heron Lakes town homes. Um and then the 100 ft would be the yellow. 851 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:28,000 And of course I have one additional sign and I'm happy to go back and forth 852 01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:32,320 between the two. So, on this particular screen, this shows um an approved 853 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:36,080 short-term rental in a separate neighborhood and this is more your 854 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:40,719 standard single family detached residential lot. So, again, 200 feet is 855 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:45,840 represented with blue and then the yellow would be that 100 ft. So this 856 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:50,080 gives you an idea and as a reminder the separation requirement is measured from 857 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:56,000 center of dwelling to center of dwelling and the purpose of that is because GIS 858 01:23:52,400 --> 01:24:00,960 data sets typically uh assign the address at the center of the structure 859 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:06,400 and again for ease and management um and mapping purposes that tends to be the 860 01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:10,639 the best route. Additionally, um it should technically from be from the 861 01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:13,920 dwelling itself as that's where you're going to get any kind of disturbance or 862 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:18,560 noise or what have you. So, it's dwelling to dwelling. So, with that, 863 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,760 since there are no additional changes and this is the second hearing, I'm 864 01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:24,880 available for any questions you may have. 865 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,040 » Thank you. Planner Hill trustes questions. 866 01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,600 » I have one trust. >> Can you go back to the previous slide, 867 01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:33,840 please? I'm a little confused about the 868 01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:37,679 separation and I apologize if you've answered this previously. Um, it says on 869 01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:41,520 the bottom here, for this reason, the separation of rings of color can 870 01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:49,440 overlap. However, they cannot touch another home 871 01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:52,880 that is the center location. So, I >> Yeah, that I can see. Yes, it's be kind 872 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:58,159 of confusing. >> So, according to this plot, all four of 873 01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:01,600 And these are not real, right? These are >> these are actually four approved 874 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,360 currently approved short-term rentals in the town in the town homes at Heron 875 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:09,520 Lakes. >> Okay. So, the one that was denied its 876 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:13,679 sphere of influence was actually touching one of the other ones. 877 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:18,480 » So, yes. So, the as you see with the blue, there is overlap in the actual 878 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:22,400 sphere. But what we don't want to see because it is center of dwelling to 879 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:28,080 center dwelling. if that sphere actually touched the other residence, that's when 880 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:33,120 it it's within that 200 ft. >> So the Yes, you'll find that. Um so the 881 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:37,920 two that are there on Grand Market or adjacent to the rideway, um they're 882 01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:42,800 actually the two blue ones are further than 200 feet apart. If those spheres 883 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:45,920 started to cross even more and where you see the little house symbol in the 884 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:50,320 middle and if that sphere actually touched that house in the middle, that's 885 01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:52,880 when we would have a problem. said differently. It's a radius from dwelling 886 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:57,040 to dwelling. >> Yeah. Correct. Yes. 887 01:25:56,159 --> 01:26:01,560 » Thank you. >> Yeah. 888 01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:01,560 » Other questions? 889 01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:07,199 » Go ahead. >> Sure. 890 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:11,199 » Um, and you said because of the distance requirement, four have been denied in 891 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,920 the past year. >> That is correct. 892 01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:18,719 » And how many are currently operating? >> We have eight total within the town of 893 01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:23,440 Bered. So, we have four just in the Heron Lake town homes and there were 894 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:26,400 four four others that had applied but we had to reject their applications because 895 01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:29,760 they did not meet that separation requirement and then we have four others 896 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:33,920 throughout the town that have been approved and we've had none no others 897 01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:38,960 within the town of Bertha that have been denied due to separation requirements. 898 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,120 » And there's a max of 50. Is that correct? 899 01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:44,080 » Correct. >> Okay, I'm done now for real. 900 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:49,280 » No, that's good. Um, >> just say that again real quick. How many 901 01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:53,120 were rejected due to the 200 ft? So, four total and they're all within the 902 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:56,800 town homes. >> Okay, that was going to be mine. So, out 903 01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:00,080 of those rejected, they're all multi-unit or town homes, I should say. 904 01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:02,800 » Yeah, and just the Herald Lakes town homes. Okay, 905 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:07,199 » correct. And then um if you could refresh me, have we talked about an 906 01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:12,400 exception process that if someone were to come before court and ask and 907 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:16,880 demonstrate their property is within a reasonable distance from another 908 01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:21,679 property and that they're an exceptional STR manager that they could possibly get 909 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,920 some type of variance for their property. 910 01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:27,360 » Yes. And so we did discuss this last time as well as during the hearing 911 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:31,679 process. So generally the rule of thumb is that if you were wanting to make 912 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:36,639 exceptions to a rule then the rule should not be adopted. So it's either as 913 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:41,280 with the public hearing when this was adopted back in 2024 914 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:46,400 um right getting my dates all mixed up. I think you're right. Um 915 01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:52,239 the idea was that either you establish a hard fact the hard rule that it's 200 or 916 01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:57,040 whatever whatever denomination and then if that's truly what you are comfortable 917 01:27:53,920 --> 01:28:01,280 with it has to be applied equitably and across the board to each and every 918 01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:06,400 property. It's when you start getting into exceptions, it's then looks as if 919 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:12,080 that's very very arbitrary and additionally what why would one property 920 01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:18,159 deserve an exception over another and so it be starts to become very messy very 921 01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:25,199 quickly and so generally the idea is if you want exceptions then it's best to 922 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,199 just not go with the regulation. 923 01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:33,120 Did we discuss in the last meeting about a 100 foot for multi-unit or town homes 924 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:36,719 and 200 foot for residential or am I making this up? I thought there was some 925 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:40,159 confusion over what we would do in that kind of boundary area where multif 926 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,800 family would go up against a single family. 927 01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:47,600 » We did come up. Yes. Yep. We did discuss that. Um because again there are 928 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:51,760 challenges and again defining why there should be one separation for a certain 929 01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:57,440 housing type and not for another can become problematic. And that was one of 930 01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:02,239 those also unique scenarios that would inevitably come up is that uh when you 931 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:05,760 have town homes for instance that are adjacent to a single family residential 932 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:10,320 lot. How then do you make that distinguished? How do you define that 933 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:15,400 and how do you draw that line becomes very challenging. enforcing becomes 934 01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,400 challenging. 935 01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,480 » Okay. Thank you. Other questions? 936 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:30,880 » Okay. Well, this being a a a public hearing, um there's no other questions, 937 01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:37,040 we can now move on to the actually uh public hearing portion. 938 01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:39,920 We have three signed up. Once I state your name, if you could 939 01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:42,800 come to the front to the podium here on your left, please state your name and 940 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:46,639 address and keep your comments to three minutes or less. Thank you. Start out 941 01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,639 with Mindy Cruz. Welcome. 942 01:29:54,400 --> 01:30:01,840 » Hello. I would mention that with the um whole new farm thing, it would be great 943 01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:06,719 to have STRs for people to stay at when they come to those venues. Um I'm going 944 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:10,080 to talk really fast. Can you say your name and address real quick? 945 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:12,159 » Mickey Cruz uh 1520 airb. >> Thank you. 946 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:16,400 » So I'm going to talk really fast like a New Yorker so I can get through this. Um 947 01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:21,840 so as you already know that we bought our town home um for STR purposes and we 948 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:27,199 were operating by the metro responsible until Dante Bay happened and rather than 949 01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:32,159 that person being dealt with we were all suffered. So when you voted not to only 950 01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:37,520 limit the number of STRs but also added the distance requirement which is very 951 01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:41,840 unusual. Um, we hunted down, paid for, and created all the 12 documents that 952 01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:45,600 the planning committee uh deemed that we needed. I stood here and told you guys 953 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:49,600 at that time that that was going to cause tension within our community. And 954 01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:54,880 our pressure to hit a button at midnight, one of our four documents 955 01:30:51,520 --> 01:31:00,239 failed to send somehow. And even though we had had it and it was stamped in 956 01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:04,400 data, we were not allowed to submit it. So Dave and I at financial losses found 957 01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:10,239 a renter for nine months while we pursued the STR. This renter loved our h 958 01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:16,159 town home but was very disappointed in the neighborhood. Then knowing that we 959 01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:21,280 had a month-long rental July August, we decided to let friends and family stay 960 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:26,719 during the next 12 month uh two months. So Dave and I are full-time caregivers 961 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:31,600 of my parents 85 89 years old, both with cancer and one with dementia. So, that 962 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:36,159 does not allow us to stay in a three-level town home. It's not an 963 01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:40,800 option now, but we were hoping an option someday. The first um friends that we 964 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:44,800 had today were approached by a woman in the neighborhood and asked what they 965 01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:48,480 were doing there. They were told that they told them they were on vacation. 966 01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:53,360 Then Dave and I received a message that night saying that we were being reported 967 01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:59,679 to the village for operating illegal STR. The village is what a handful of 968 01:31:56,639 --> 01:32:05,760 ladies call themselves. Uh we have a different name but we corrected them and 969 01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:12,560 um told them that they were our friends. Um see the village feels like that they 970 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:19,840 are now empowered and emboldened uh to by the town to harass or question 971 01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:25,280 anyone that comes to stay in our place. So, I'd like to know who in this room 972 01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:29,679 has to tell the community before you have a family member come stay at your 973 01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:34,080 house if that's okay. So, next we had my brother and my family 974 01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:38,080 come. Two ladies approached them and asked them if they were renting from us. 975 01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:44,639 This harassment continued through anybody else we had staying. 976 01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:48,800 We manage a a year-long rental next to one of the ladies who wrote a long 977 01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:53,199 widely uh lying email to you guys. A young 978 01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:58,639 family of two children and they have been approached by these ladies and they 979 01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:00,560 feel like they're constantly watched. So, mayor 980 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:06,480 » um mayor >> and trustees 981 01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:13,440 » um if the speaker could focus on the issue and not the character of 982 01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:17,760 » any any person that would be appreciated. Thank you. 983 01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:22,320 » So, next we had a corporal rental uh corporate rental in August. The first 984 01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:27,520 couple of days they were constantly watched and uh scoured out. One of the 985 01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:32,159 um ladies called the community officer, Teresa, and she came out and spoke to 986 01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:36,159 two of the workers. They had no clue about their accommodations as it was 987 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:41,520 done through a corporation. They were told they told her that they 988 01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:44,000 were that we were operating a illegal STR. 989 01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:47,679 » Thank you. I'm sorry. We've hit the three minute limit. 990 01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:49,440 » Okay. Can I say one more thing really quick, please? 991 01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:58,400 » You can do one sentence here. >> Yeah. So, I'll take Dave's time. So, um, 992 01:33:55,120 --> 01:34:01,760 so our our three-month rental was, um, they sent us a message and said, "We 993 01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:07,600 want to break our contract because we feel like we're being harassed." So, 994 01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:12,719 this this has caused Dave and I a lot of not but financial problems, but also 995 01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:17,920 physical pain and emotional pain. We have now decided to sell our property 996 01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:22,400 because we've not been allowed to do the short-term rental as we bought the 997 01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:27,280 property for. Apparently, we can't have friends and family over without them 998 01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:31,280 being harassed. And now we can't have long-term rental without them being 999 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:35,520 arrested. So, the decision that you guys make today is really not going to affect 1000 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:38,719 us, but you should know that your decisions have already affected our 1001 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:43,600 community. Thank you. >> Thank you. 1002 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:49,120 » And Mr. Cruz, I'm just assuming Well, that's just going to have to go into 1003 01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:53,360 that time, too. Okay. Uh John Evans, welcome. 1004 01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:59,600 Good evening, mayor and trustees. Uh, thank you for your time tonight. Uh, as 1005 01:34:56,239 --> 01:35:03,600 I'm one of the Don Zante Bay mafia that, uh, I think was kind of referred to a 1006 01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:07,920 year ago tomorrow. >> Mr. Evans, do you mind state your name? 1007 01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:09,199 » Oh, sorry. John Evans, 3252, Donzante Bay Court. 1008 01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:15,120 » Thank you. >> Um, a year ago tomorrow, this board 1009 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:21,520 approved the now policy for short-term rents. Um 1010 01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:26,239 Ton Hillbrand just spoke to the distance separation which was highly debated 1011 01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:34,400 prior to the approval which started out at 500 feet and ultimately ended up at 1012 01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:41,120 200 feet uh at separation and if if I were to go on the VBL website today and 1013 01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:45,600 I can show you there are 10 operating short-term rentals in the Heron Lakes 1014 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:52,159 town homes. There are two and maybe three elsewhere in the town of Bertha. 1015 01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:56,880 So per Tom's own document, you know, 12 short-term rentals were applied for, 1016 01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:03,600 eight were approved, four were denied. Um I am wholeheartedly in favor of what 1017 01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:08,560 the um planning commission recommended, which is to leave it at 200 ft. We 1018 01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:13,520 haven't had the policy in place for a year yet. Having exceptions and waiverss 1019 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:18,400 will turn this into kind of a free-for-all. And I don't believe that 1020 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:24,239 there's anybody being served by that. And when we approve the town approved 50 1021 01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:28,800 and you only have eight operating, that means that there's not that much of a 1022 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:35,679 demand. And I believe the ultimate solution is look for a hotel year to 1023 01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:42,000 come into town to help strengthen the attraction tourism base. It will benefit 1024 01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:46,960 the local businesses. It will get be an anchor property to help bring other 1025 01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:52,719 growth into the community. So, I would highly recommend that you do not change 1026 01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:56,239 this uh requirement right now and give it time like the planning commission 1027 01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:59,960 said and let it play out. Thank you very much. 1028 01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,960 » Thank you. 1029 01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:09,760 » Matt Gavin, welcome. >> My name is Matthew Gavin. I live at 3270 1030 01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:13,840 Dante Bay Court. Um trustees, Mayor Tarbach, thank you for listening this 1031 01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:18,400 evening. Um I I just want to make two quick points. You you have heard me for 1032 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:22,000 the last year. I was here a lot along with a lot of my neighbors and a lot of 1033 01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:26,320 people throughout Bertha. This was a really highly contested issue. Turns out 1034 01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:30,960 it was kind of a tempest in a teapot given only 12 people applied and most of 1035 01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:34,639 them were in those town homes. But I really believe and what the city has 1036 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:38,320 said is once you set this policy, you have to make policy and study strong. 1037 01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:41,280 You need to stay there and you need to give it some time to work so that you 1038 01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:46,159 can collect data and then you can analyze and see if any changes are 1039 01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:50,480 necessary. This was a really hard fought community compromise. There were not a 1040 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:53,600 lot of happy people when that got done. But through this democratic process and 1041 01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:57,679 through people neighbors listening to one another, we came to that compromise 1042 01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:02,960 and now the city is is implementing that. I'm really hoping that one 1043 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:06,480 person's personal financial situation doesn't undo all the work that this body 1044 01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:10,159 and all the other members of the community that showed up over a year of 1045 01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:14,239 hearings um came up with this legislation. The other thing I'd like to 1046 01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:18,239 remind you all of is having been one of the people that lived on Don Sante Bay, 1047 01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:23,040 clearly there was a problem with the one property renting to 30 people at a time 1048 01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:27,360 and having conventions and parties. Um but the other problem was concentration. 1049 01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:31,760 There were seven short-term rentals in our block and now it sounds like there's 1050 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:35,600 four in the town homes. They want eight and maybe they want more. The 1051 01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:39,760 concentration is a problem. While there are bad actors, even the people that do 1052 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:45,280 this better than the others, when there's seven of them within your local 1053 01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:50,000 community, it's noise, it's disruption, it's loss of community, it's all those 1054 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:54,800 things. So again, I just urge you to take that hard thought decision. listen 1055 01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:58,560 to your uh town employees, listen to the planning commission, and let's give this 1056 01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:02,320 the time to work itself out and reconsider using data and analysis down 1057 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:04,480 the road where the entire community can participate again. Thank you for your 1058 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,480 time. >> Thank you. 1059 01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:13,280 » That's all we have signed up. Is there anyone else that wishes to speak? 1060 01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:18,440 » All right, I'll close the public hearing, bring it back to the board for 1061 01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:18,440 deliberation on this. 1062 01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:28,239 Uh trustes, do we have any uh after public hearing any questions for staff? 1063 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:32,880 » Um I'll have to answer question. Um, has the number, 1064 01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:38,239 um, based on some of the comments, I I can't remember exactly who specifically 1065 01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:43,280 said it, but um, has the number of, I guess, um, 1066 01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:48,719 I hesitate to use the word, but it illegal rentals gone down since the 1067 01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:54,719 policy has been enacted, or is it still as hard to identify uh, people who are 1068 01:39:51,440 --> 01:40:00,080 renting against um, policy? >> Uh, great question. My understanding is 1069 01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:05,280 that uh we found initially that those numbers did go down. Um but 1070 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:11,440 unfortunately I can't speak um completely um as I've had I haven't had 1071 01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:15,840 this question um with or had this conversation with Teresa Morgan who is 1072 01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:23,520 our neighborhood services officer. Um, last I knew is that through her uh, 1073 01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:30,239 evaluation of, you know, VRBO or Airbnb that she was not finding nearly as many 1074 01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:35,440 violations. Now, that's not to say that, um, individuals aren't finding unique 1075 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:40,719 ways to post their short-term rentals. Um, I know you can list them in 1076 01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:45,520 different ways that then they aren't as noticeable, if you will, and you can use 1077 01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:50,239 other platforms or even local property management um, companies can also 1078 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:56,000 advertise for them. So, that's not to say that that may be taking place. Um, 1079 01:40:52,719 --> 01:41:03,040 but I do know that Teresa does um, take steps to as when she can regulate and 1080 01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:09,040 um, find those if she can. And we do I on occasion receive com uh concerns and 1081 01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:13,760 I know we have received a few just in the course of the last few weeks. 1082 01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:18,560 » And on that note, and you may not be able to answer this because things are 1083 01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:25,040 off the books in that regard, but um for the properties that were found to be 1084 01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:30,239 operating outside of the policy, how many of those ballark, right? Um, how 1085 01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:35,760 many of those could operate within the policy even 1086 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:39,760 with the 200 foot setback? >> Oh, that's a good question. And I I'm 1087 01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:46,920 not sure since I don't know the specifics. Um, yeah, I'm not certain. 1088 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:46,920 Yeah, sorry. 1089 01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:55,760 » Okay, that's anything else for staff. >> All right. Well, we can bring it back to 1090 01:41:53,040 --> 01:42:00,320 the board here regarding um has been discussed before 1091 01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:05,280 um a separation lack of separation requirement or 1092 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:09,920 keeping it as is with the 200 foot. Um 1093 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:13,760 do we want to get initial thoughts or just go for a vote? Go ahead. 1094 01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:18,800 » I was going to say that I appreciated Ton's response about the exceptions. I 1095 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:25,360 think that makes perfect sense and I completely agree and so I think having 1096 01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:28,480 the policy be delivered equitably and the same to every person makes a lot of 1097 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:34,159 sense and so I'd like to move forward with that. I also really appreciated was 1098 01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:37,520 it Mr. Gavin his comments about the the democratic process we did go through. we 1099 01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:41,280 came, you know, out of it with a lot of compromise, making everyone virtually 1100 01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:45,440 unhappy, which is usually a good sign that you made a good compromise, right? 1101 01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,000 » Same thing at home with your kids. If everyone's mad at you, then it's 1102 01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:50,159 probably because, you know, everyone got a little bit of something they wanted. 1103 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:57,679 But >> I think I think for me, I still would be 1104 01:42:53,040 --> 01:43:01,440 open to reducing the limits to 100 ft just to make it more available to town 1105 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:05,119 homes because I think it can be a valuable thing to our community. I think 1106 01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:09,840 we do need people visiting to have an economic center in Bertha that's that's 1107 01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:15,600 viable which we don't have a lot of right now and so I I I take that really 1108 01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:21,280 seriously. Um I do not agree at all with removing the 200 the 200 or 100 foot 1109 01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:25,520 buffer entirely. I think that could be really detrimental. Um as some people 1110 01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:30,400 mentioned in the room too that I think having an entire street full of STRs 1111 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:34,560 would be would change your way of life if you lived here. So, those are just my 1112 01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:36,960 initial comments. >> Trusty, we can get down. You don't have 1113 01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:39,679 to say anything if you don't want to, but trust. 1114 01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:45,920 » Um, yeah, I would I would agree with those points. Um, and I think 1115 01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:51,920 one, the policy hasn't really been on the books for long enough for us to 1116 01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:59,760 understand the data points across the town. I think two, they are lumped in 1117 01:43:56,159 --> 01:44:06,480 certain specific areas, which is granted unfortunate for people who have had 1118 01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:14,159 financial hardships for this. Um, and um, regardless, 1119 01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:20,480 I'm still in favor of a buffer. I'm I'm okay negotiating whatever. I'm I'm I 1120 01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:26,480 don't really 200 one foot 200 feet. Um, I'm okay with having a conversation 1121 01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:31,040 about that. But the reason that I am more in favor of keeping a buffer at 1122 01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:36,480 least until we find out that it's not working is one based on the question 1123 01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:40,800 that I asked, right? How many how many might we actually have in town and is 1124 01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:45,600 there a way to make sure that they're they're following procedure and policy? 1125 01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:50,400 And two, I don't want 1126 01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:55,360 the people in areas of town that don't have HOAs or are not in a metro district 1127 01:44:52,880 --> 01:45:01,280 district to now be inundated possibly without a 1128 01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:06,239 buffer in those neighborhoods where short-term rentals are either rare or 1129 01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:13,840 not the sort of stereotypical place for a short-term rental. And so I'm I'm that 1130 01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:18,000 was kind of the reason that I was for a distance buffer even though it's unusual 1131 01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:22,400 in our in our initial meetings back a year ago was because I want to make sure 1132 01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:28,800 that the people like I said who are who don't have the infrastructure already uh 1133 01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:35,920 to protect them from um over overcrowding 1134 01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:41,840 that they now become um affected by having zero buffer and having, you know, 1135 01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:46,080 old town homes or older neighborhoods um sort of pop up neighbor to neighbor to 1136 01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:50,560 neighbor. Not that that would happen because there's not the 50 that we 1137 01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:55,760 allowed in the first place, but just in case um that were to possibly crop up in 1138 01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:58,800 a specific area in the future based on developments or or whatever that might 1139 01:45:57,199 --> 01:46:04,719 come into town that we have no idea people might want to be next to. If that 1140 01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:09,679 makes English sense. Sorry, everybody. Yeah, Trusty Hardy. 1141 01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:13,600 » Yeah, I completely agree with Ton on the whole thing about having variances. It's 1142 01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:17,440 like we shouldn't have any variances. Just tells us that there's something 1143 01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:21,920 wrong with our code. I'm I'm for either one. Either have either turn it on or 1144 01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:26,159 turn it off. Um, but there is a demand out there for people to stay and I think 1145 01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:30,639 that's where develop economic development really should be pushing 1146 01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:35,679 towards getting I don't know Marriott town suites or somebody out there to 1147 01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:38,400 build to take up this need that's out there. 1148 01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,440 » Yeah. >> Okay, 1149 01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,159 » that's about it. >> Trusty Wing. 1150 01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:46,239 » Yeah. I um I support the planning commission's unanimous decision not to 1151 01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:52,639 change anything, but I have one question. Do the shortterm rental 1152 01:46:49,679 --> 01:46:58,159 tenants get to use the metro district amenities? 1153 01:46:54,719 --> 01:47:03,199 » That'd be a Terry Smith, would you know the answer to that? 1154 01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:11,600 » I don't know the answer to that. And it may vary from district to district as to 1155 01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:13,840 how they identify in district residents. seems to me that if they were 1156 01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:17,440 identifying >> your mic, 1157 01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:23,040 » it seems to me I I think it may vary from special district to special 1158 01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:30,159 district. Um, but it seems to me that it would depend on how the district is 1159 01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:35,679 identifying in district residents and that if you have a driver's license from 1160 01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:43,600 outside of the district, you would be an outside of the district resident. So my 1161 01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:46,159 thought is that probably in that case you would not be allowed to use those 1162 01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:48,560 amenities. >> Doesn't change my decision. I was just 1163 01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:53,280 curious. Thank you, >> Mayor Pim. 1164 01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:57,840 » Um I'll just state that I stand with planning commission's decision and the 1165 01:47:55,440 --> 01:48:02,320 substantial outcry I've heard in retaining the setbacks that we have set. 1166 01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:07,440 I think it would be premature to drop those setbacks. It would be much easier 1167 01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:12,320 to go down to 100 if we've got significant public outcry for that, but 1168 01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:16,719 I don't believe we've heard that. And it would be much harder to go up from 100 1169 01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:25,679 to 200 if we do have problems in the future. So I am for um retaining the 200 1170 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:30,000 foot setback for those reasons. >> Thank you. 1171 01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:37,679 » Can I respond to that just really quick? I just I I disagree with the assessment 1172 01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:42,880 that we haven't had outcry against or against the setbacks because the people 1173 01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:46,800 who disagree with it are moving on. They're not coming to town hall and 1174 01:48:44,719 --> 01:48:52,000 raising cane. They're just moving on. And that's evidenced in the fact that we 1175 01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:56,719 had 30 and now we have how many do we have on the books? 12. And so that those 1176 01:48:55,199 --> 01:49:01,440 statistics tell us alone in the last year we've lost half of the STRs because 1177 01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:06,159 the policy and I do think setbacks were probably a key component to that among 1178 01:49:03,679 --> 01:49:10,480 other things. Um but I do think we need to understand that the people who have 1179 01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:14,159 issue with it have just left our town or have sold that property and are no 1180 01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:20,080 longer operating. They're not coming and telling us about it. Would it be equally 1181 01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:27,360 accurate to say that those people maybe didn't want to take on the regulation or 1182 01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:32,560 the duty as an SDR owner to their users to the community and moved on without 1183 01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:36,600 making those comments? I mean, how many applications did we have? 1184 01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:45,920 » Um, so to confirm, we had 12 total. >> Yeah. 1185 01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:53,360 And and I would agree there's probably many components that go into why we have 1186 01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:58,320 not seen the 30 that we're operating. Um yeah, it could very well be because of 1187 01:49:55,679 --> 01:50:02,480 probably elements such as the separation requirement or the other slew of 1188 01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:05,920 requirements that are within our short-term rental regulations. I don't 1189 01:50:04,239 --> 01:50:10,159 know that there's any indication that it would be solely because of the 1190 01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:15,760 separation. Um, I know much of our research that we did on the different 1191 01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:22,080 types, the the 200, 500, 600 that we presented during the public hearings, we 1192 01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:27,520 were using um maps of those short-term rentals we knew were existing and 1193 01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:31,760 operating um, illegally as our base, and that's what we were using for those 1194 01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:35,920 examples. Um, so I do believe some of those, from my recollection, would have 1195 01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:40,560 very well been able to meet the separation requirement. So, I don't I 1196 01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:46,080 think that would be only one component or element and probably a very small 1197 01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:49,119 percentage um may have walked away for that reason, but I don't know that it 1198 01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:52,800 would be fair to say that they solely walked away for that reason. 1199 01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:57,199 » And I wouldn't want to make any definitive statement one way or the 1200 01:50:54,880 --> 01:51:01,600 other. I'm just proposing the possibility 1201 01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:05,040 » and I do agree it could it's a variety of reasons I think people are walking 1202 01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:09,760 away. I just think this could be one of them and for us to consider that we're 1203 01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:14,480 not hearing about it because they have just decided to move on. 1204 01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:20,560 » Fair enough. >> Yeah, I'm um 1205 01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:22,800 Mr. Gav um looking out the names. I used to know 1206 01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:28,400 you guys by the back of my hand. So, thank you. This all started before what 1207 01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:31,600 happened in Don Zante. So, um, how we leave this agenda item tonight, I just 1208 01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:36,080 want to thank you, uh, no matter what, for all your hard work bringing this to 1209 01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:40,719 us, and now we actually have some type of policy. Um, I know it may or may not 1210 01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:46,560 be ideal, but it's better than how it started and what happened to you guys 1211 01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:50,639 and Don Zante. So, thank you. Um, I I'm a fan of moving it to 100. I don't 1212 01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:55,920 think uh it doesn't sound like anyone's a fan of of totally eliminating it right 1213 01:51:52,320 --> 01:52:01,520 now. Um and the not having any kind of uh exception process or appeal process. 1214 01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:04,719 I agree with that. Um but the reason I'm I think distance requirements are 1215 01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:12,159 important. So it's not neighbor to neighbor to neighbor. Um 1216 01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:15,199 ton your your um visual was actually kind of help kind of threw a wrench in 1217 01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:18,639 my spokes watching that because some of these areas could be looks like a 1218 01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:22,400 neighborto neighbor situation if it was 100 foot. 1219 01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:26,800 Um, regardless, I'd like to give it a shot. I also want to remind people that 1220 01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:30,400 this, if you're living in an HOA or an area with a metro, um, you are allowed 1221 01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:34,560 to put in regulations that are more stringent than anything the town puts 1222 01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:39,280 on. Uh, so this is really covering traditional areas of town before HOAs, 1223 01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:45,440 uh, were in place. And not having any um, 1224 01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:52,000 lodging to speak of, I' I'd like to encourage that. And uh I think we have 1225 01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:57,280 other areas in our policy that um really can manage I can't ensure but really can 1226 01:52:54,239 --> 01:53:01,199 manage uh that we have good hosts and if we have bad guests there's a way to get 1227 01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:06,480 them out promptly and uh keep the hosts accountable. U so I'm I'm a fan of 1228 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:10,400 moving it to 100. Um I'll stop there. Is there anything else 1229 01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:15,360 anyone wants to add question? >> Um 1230 01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:20,080 » maybe if I could just add one thing. I I really feel it's detrimental. I'm always 1231 01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:23,760 open to reopening these things, but the fact that we're less than a year out on 1232 01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:28,480 this policy, I think is a serious concern. Um, and 1233 01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:34,480 what does it say when we're making policy that we are making a turn this 1234 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:40,400 early in policy with very little data? Um, I 1235 01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:46,239 think that's a significant concern for me. 1236 01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:49,360 Sorry, that's all I've got. Yeah, >> if I respond to that. I think the reason 1237 01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:53,040 I wanted to reduce it is because of the town homes. U figuring there needed to 1238 01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:58,320 be a chance for them to be treated separate from single family. Um and 1239 01:53:55,440 --> 01:54:02,960 that's why kind of that compromise came. Those are my thoughts. 1240 01:54:00,719 --> 01:54:05,599 Um anything else? We want to go to a vote or I guess we have to decide how we 1241 01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:10,880 vote. >> Well, I have a a question now on based 1242 01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:19,119 on y'all's comments. Would it be worthwhile for us to discuss um I 1243 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:28,800 understand it would be difficult to um to make sure or to to sort of um police 1244 01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:36,000 the difference between town homes or um higher density houses versus single 1245 01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:42,560 family houses. If the pro if that is the sort of hangup that we're having, 1246 01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:49,040 could we not address that since that is the hangup? The the separation doesn't 1247 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:52,719 seem to be by itself the hangup. The hang-up seems to be the difference 1248 01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:56,800 between someone who lives in a higher density area and someone who lives in a 1249 01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:59,119 lower density area. And yes, it is more complicated and yes, it is more 1250 01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:05,199 difficult, >> but it seems like the spirit of the 1251 01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:11,199 decision that we're trying to make would possibly be better served with a more 1252 01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:16,159 specific policy as opposed to a one-sizefits-all policy that just does 1253 01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:19,199 not work within different districts. That that's a a genuine question. I'm 1254 01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:25,440 not making a statement one way or another. Um, if I can maybe respond, 1255 01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:32,400 trusty ears, um, I really struggle with creating any kind of differentiation 1256 01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:36,400 because of the wide variety of existing product that's out there that could be 1257 01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:41,920 used for this. You have products of all types and to define town home versus 1258 01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:48,719 single family home versus duplex or quadplex, it gets really hairy. So, um I 1259 01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:55,520 think it's important that we stick to one consistent standard and um I believe 1260 01:55:52,880 --> 01:56:01,920 the 200 accounts for the density across those areas. Um obviously in a denser 1261 01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:07,199 area it's harder. Um in a less dense area um as you kind of saw in existing 1262 01:56:04,719 --> 01:56:12,560 neighborhoods where it's homes you could have literally every other house or 1263 01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:18,000 across the street. So obviously we have to come to a balance on this. I I just 1264 01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:22,400 think the reality of the diversity of the product that's out there that could 1265 01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:29,000 be used for this is hard to define and leaves us exposed in 1266 01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:29,000 my opinion. 1267 01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:38,639 » I have a quick question. So if if the board does not want to change the code 1268 01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:41,599 and keep the 200, then we don't have any motion tonight. Is that correct? 1269 01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:45,440 » That's correct. >> Okay. or if we have a tie. I think same 1270 01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:50,080 thing, >> status quo, right? 1271 01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:55,280 » That's correct. If if unless a motion passes to adopt an ordinance that 1272 01:56:53,199 --> 01:57:00,480 changes the code, then we continue status quo. 1273 01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:04,480 » Makes sense. And the motion right now would be to 1274 01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:08,960 totally um 1275 01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:13,199 yeah repeal and replace removing any kind of distance 1276 01:57:11,599 --> 01:57:16,960 requirement >> and would that be the motion or because 1277 01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:22,560 planning commission recommended denial. Would that be the motion? 1278 01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:27,199 » Uh I think that in this case I think a lack of action is sufficient. We 1279 01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:31,679 continue status quo. There's no need to deny uh the ordinance that was that was 1280 01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:37,000 put in front of you. It just doesn't pass for lack of a a motion and a vote. 1281 01:57:38,239 --> 01:57:48,080 » Okay. >> So, is there any desire to go ahead with 1282 01:57:45,199 --> 01:57:53,440 this with a 100 foot buffer said instead of a 200? 1283 01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:55,920 I'm actually more confident um leaving it as it was 1284 01:57:54,880 --> 01:58:00,480 » 200. >> Okay. 1285 01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:05,040 » Um yeah, I would based on all of the comments on the 1286 01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:09,760 length that this policy has been in place, I would feel more comfortable 1287 01:58:06,719 --> 01:58:13,520 waiting until we come up with a better idea. 1288 01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:17,040 » Okay. Does anyone want Go ahead. No, I'm 1289 01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:21,040 concur. >> Okay. Does anyone want to try to make a 1290 01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:24,800 motion? You don't have to if you don't feel 1291 01:58:22,719 --> 01:58:27,520 passionate about this. >> Otherwise, this thing just dies. 1292 01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:32,040 » Kill it. >> For lack of a motion. 1293 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,040 » Okay. 1294 01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:39,360 » Uh yes. Ordinance 1356 never moved. So, this will uh never be 1295 01:58:37,599 --> 01:58:44,560 in existence. So, thank you all uh for the short-term rental and thank you 1296 01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:47,280 staff for all your work on this. Good to keep going. Trustees. 1297 01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:50,400 » Yeah. >> Okay. Okay, we'll move on now to item 1298 01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:56,679 number five. And this is a Habitat for Humanity Oldtown Hall 1299 01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:56,679 Town Hall concept. 1300 01:58:58,639 --> 01:59:05,880 And we have our uh director of Habitat for Humanity, Tiffany Grody, here to 1301 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,880 present. 1302 01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:12,480 Mayor Carb as Tiffany's coming up. Um, just as a quick bit of background, as 1303 01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:18,639 you may recall, the town owns the Old Town Hall property uh at the corner of 1304 01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:22,639 Massachusetts and Third Street, uh, the feed store, the Old Town Hall, 1305 01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:28,080 and the bank building adjacent to it. A few years ago, we solicited proposals 1306 01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:33,679 from interested developers to redevelop the site, turn it into um, you know, a 1307 01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:37,599 mixeduse center with some new retail uses and offices and other things. Uh we 1308 01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:41,040 got pretty far down the road on that project and unfortunately the developer 1309 01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:46,239 and the town couldn't come to an agreement that made sense for them um uh 1310 01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:51,920 in order to get financing to construct the project. Since that time um Habitat 1311 01:59:49,679 --> 01:59:54,880 has reached out to us and asked about the possibility of redeveloping that 1312 01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:59,840 site. They've prepared a concept that we've looked at um you know briefly from 1313 01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:03,760 a staff perspective but that I think is potentially exciting and and worth 1314 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:06,960 looking at. And so we asked them to bring it to you so we could get your 1315 02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:10,719 feedback uh if you want us to move forward and take some next steps and to 1316 02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:13,760 see this thing move forward. And if not, that's okay, too. But um that that's why 1317 02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:17,199 we're here tonight. We're excited to have Tiffany Brody, the executive 1318 02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:19,920 director from Habitat for Humanity to present that to you. 1319 02:00:19,119 --> 02:00:24,639 » Welcome. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. Good 1320 02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:29,119 evening, Mayor Carbc and members of the board of trustees. Thank you for 1321 02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:34,080 allowing us to present this concept. I will be presenting this evening as well 1322 02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:40,159 as Davidson and Josh McCarron with Asher Architects and Engineering 1323 02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:42,480 as uh Administrator Kirk mentioned birth at Habitat for Humanity. 1324 02:00:42,239 --> 02:00:45,199 » Yes, >> I think she is got turned on. Okay, 1325 02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:46,719 perfect. >> Is that better? 1326 02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:52,159 » Yep. >> Okay. All right. Sorry about that. Uh 1327 02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:57,440 Bertha Habitat for Humanity endeavors to partner with the town of Berth to help 1328 02:00:54,880 --> 02:01:02,080 solve the affordable housing crisis by presenting a proposed concept plan to 1329 02:00:59,679 --> 02:01:08,000 redevelop the old town hall property located at Third in Massachusetts. This 1330 02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:14,159 redevelopment will revitalize historic landmark, support economic development, 1331 02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:21,360 expand access to affordable housing, and enhance downtown vibrancy, creating a 1332 02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:26,480 lasting community asset uh that will actually serve current and future 1333 02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:30,880 generations. Furthermore, it will help position Birth at Habitat for Humanity 1334 02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:34,560 to achieve our strategic goals surrounding partnership development and 1335 02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:40,239 advocacy uh increase awareness and engagement and 1336 02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:45,360 also focus on our comprehensive fund development so that we can build more 1337 02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:51,599 homes uh like Troy here that just closed recently. She is so excited. 1338 02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:56,719 All of which will provide the needed funding to build capacity to further our 1339 02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:59,960 impact in alignment with the needs of the community. 1340 02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:11,360 And with that, as we all know, Berett is growing, but so is the housing gap. Too 1341 02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:16,560 many local families are struggling to find a home that they can afford. Based 1342 02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:22,560 on the Berford housing diversity plan by heirs associates from April of this 1343 02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:28,480 year, the housing crisis in Berford can really be summarized as a convergence of 1344 02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:34,560 rapid population growth, limited housing diversity, and rising home price prices, 1345 02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:40,719 which together threaten housing affordability and community inclusivity. 1346 02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:45,599 So the next few slides I just want to walk through quickly in an effort to 1347 02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:50,320 highlight the findings from that Berth housing diversity plan. Berth's 1348 02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:58,639 population has more than doubled since 2010 and is on track to continue growing 1349 02:02:54,000 --> 02:03:05,280 steadily by 139% I'm sorry to the tune of 139% by 2040. Median home prices have 1350 02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:11,679 increased significantly pricing out many working families. And a gap exists 1351 02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:16,480 between what the home costs and what our local workers earn, especially those in 1352 02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:22,000 education, healthcare, service, and retail. 1353 02:03:18,639 --> 02:03:26,080 This image here uh depicts the Can you still hear me? Sorry about that. Depicts 1354 02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:31,440 the community engagement efforts by AIRS Associates. When discussing the housing 1355 02:03:28,719 --> 02:03:36,639 needs assessment with community members, they attended the October Fest event. uh 1356 02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:42,719 and they were they asked the community members to take a sticker and consider 1357 02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:47,040 and indicate what types of housing they thought that we needed and what they 1358 02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:50,000 would like to see in our community. Some of you may have been there and 1359 02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:54,159 participated in that. And if you did, I really appreciate you doing so. 1360 02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:58,800 Ultimately, the town lacks the missing middle housing, which could be duplexes, 1361 02:03:57,199 --> 02:04:04,239 smaller single family homes, and affordable rentals. There is a very high 1362 02:04:01,599 --> 02:04:08,719 percentage of costburden households and that means any household spending more 1363 02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:15,599 than 30% of their gross monthly income on housing and entrylevel homeownership 1364 02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:21,119 opportunities are scarce even for dual income households. 1365 02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:27,280 So this slide talks more about the demand and the rise for affordable 1366 02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:34,080 housing for families that earn the 40 to 80% of the area median income precisely 1367 02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:38,480 the range that Beret Habitat serves. So existing and incoming residents in this 1368 02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:43,599 income bracket can really not find housing that meets their needs even 1369 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:49,599 though they work locally and contribute to our economy and community. Habitat 1370 02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:53,360 truly does serve the heart of Berthood's workforce. 1371 02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:58,719 The colored boxes you see here on the screen, I've included various scenarios 1372 02:04:55,920 --> 02:05:04,480 in order to depict who these individuals and families might be that we know. A 1373 02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:09,679 Habitat homeowner might earn 40,000 annually. And with that salary, they may 1374 02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:15,040 work at a local restaurant. They may work at Hayes Market or even be a town 1375 02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:20,719 of birth employee or perhaps a registered nurse earning 80,000 annually 1376 02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:24,639 that has has a child. Another likely scenario is a second grade teacher at 1377 02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:31,920 Ivy Stockwell or any school within the district who has two children and earns 1378 02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:36,960 91,000 a year or perhaps a dual family uh consisting of a recently hired 1379 02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:42,639 firefighter or EMT earning just shy of 72,000 where his spouse also works 1380 02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:49,280 perhaps at the library on a part-time basis with three children for a combined 1381 02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:54,320 household gross annual income of 89,000. And so these area median income levels 1382 02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:59,360 are established by the Colorado Housing and Financing Authority on an annual 1383 02:05:56,320 --> 02:06:05,199 basis. And you might be surprised to see that these annual income ranges, the 1384 02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:10,239 minimum 40% and the maximum 80. Those amounts are rather high and we 1385 02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:16,159 just don't have the housing to accommodate them. Without intervention, 1386 02:06:14,159 --> 02:06:20,639 we risk losing these teachers, caregivers, and essential workers to 1387 02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:26,080 more affordable communities, diminished economic diversity, and lack of civic 1388 02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:31,840 engagement. And so in an effort to do our part to 1389 02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:36,960 meet the growing need of increasing affordable housing stock, we are 1390 02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:43,679 proposing a bold initiative, relocating and expanding our restore and creating a 1391 02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:49,440 permanent home base for our operations. The strategic move will increase 1392 02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:53,599 revenue, improve efficiency, and give us the capacity to build more homes for 1393 02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:58,239 individuals and families in our community that need it the most. We 1394 02:06:56,239 --> 02:07:02,639 truly think that this opportunity to partner with the town is worth 1395 02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:08,560 considering given the vibrancy that this project is sure to yield along with the 1396 02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:11,599 creating inclusivity and equity for all community members. Just imagine. Well, 1397 02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:16,239 you really can't because you haven't seen it, but just wait. 1398 02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:19,840 » Our mission is not to be a developer. Rather, we see ourselves as an anchor 1399 02:07:18,079 --> 02:07:24,719 tenant. Much like House of Neighborly Services will be the anchor tenant for 1400 02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:29,840 the Sonokco project. I envision a financial structure that blends multiple 1401 02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:34,400 funding sources. A mix of public and private. Perhaps the town remains the 1402 02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:38,960 owner of the property or perhaps the partnership is formalized with the 1403 02:07:36,159 --> 02:07:43,440 developer to build out this concept. Before we unveil the concept, I also 1404 02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:48,159 want to make note that in addition to considering the data from that Berke 1405 02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:54,079 housing diversity plan, this plan also incorporates prior community 1406 02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:58,400 um I'm sorry, prior commentary in regard to proposed downtown redevelopment 1407 02:07:56,159 --> 02:08:04,560 projects, the needs and wishes expressed by many community members, and takeaways 1408 02:08:01,679 --> 02:08:10,320 from the brand assessment that the town uh just invested in created by Chandler 1409 02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:19,480 Thinks in May of is here as well. So, with that, I'm going to allow Josh to 1410 02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:19,480 get in to the goodness. 1411 02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:30,000 » Thank you, Tiffany. I'm Josh McCarten with Asher Architects and Engineers. And 1412 02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:35,280 uh so, if you all are not familiar with the site we're looking at here, it's on 1413 02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:42,079 the corner of Third in Massachusetts. Um on the uh left of this image you can 1414 02:08:38,639 --> 02:08:48,880 see the old town hall which used to be a first national bank uh way back in 1929. 1415 02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:55,760 Um converted the town hall. Uh they had used to store a a fire engine in there. 1416 02:08:52,639 --> 02:09:00,960 Um there was also a jail cell and a police magistrate in there as well. 1417 02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:09,040 uh later I believe is early 60s the addition uh was added on next door and 1418 02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:14,480 um which is not a historic aspect. Um and then the other historic building on 1419 02:09:11,199 --> 02:09:21,040 this site uh you can see uh right behind that little red Prius there is the old 1420 02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:25,760 uh scale house for the grain elevator there. And currently 1421 02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:32,079 um you know it's kind of an underutilized corner. there's not a lot 1422 02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:38,880 happening there. Um, and we took a look at this uh with Tiffany as you know 1423 02:09:36,159 --> 02:09:43,679 potential office space in the uh old town hall building and to see what we 1424 02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:50,000 could do uh um as far as you know expanding uh the restore operations 1425 02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:57,119 um to help out the community in that way. So without further ado, I'll show 1426 02:09:52,719 --> 02:10:02,079 you what we came up with here. Uh so, you know, leading off on that historic 1427 02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:10,800 point, um you know, Massachusetts did used to be the um original main street 1428 02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:16,239 in town. And as you would get off the uh train depot, uh you exit the train depot 1429 02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:20,639 and you walk off. Um you'd have a bustling downtown here, you know, um 1430 02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:27,920 hotel down at the end of the block, shops, uh goods for sale, um you know, 1431 02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:34,960 all sorts of war is available to you. And um now, you know, this corner is, 1432 02:10:32,719 --> 02:10:43,040 you know, kind of underutilized, not uh not that exciting anymore. So we um in 1433 02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:48,400 partnership with uh Habitat have uh taken a look at this site um to figure 1434 02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:54,639 out how we can uh use it, how uh we can bring uh some vibrancy back to this uh 1435 02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:59,840 corner of downtown Berthood and and connect with that history as well as 1436 02:10:57,440 --> 02:11:05,679 connect with some of the uh improvements that are already slated for Bertha. 1437 02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:11,360 So, um, what we're looking at, uh, just from a planning perspective here is, uh, 1438 02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:15,280 old town hall, uh, old town hall, uh, would be the new habitat administration 1439 02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:23,679 offices. Um, the, uh, habitat restore would be 1440 02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:31,679 contained in a first floor and, uh, a basement area. And then there would also 1441 02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:36,079 be um availability for micro retail um to help out you know small uh 1442 02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:42,560 businesses, startups, things like that. So um you know people aren't burdened by 1443 02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:45,679 you know huge rents and uh um of an enormous space. 1444 02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:47,920 » Josh, if you'll do us a favor, will you just move a little closer to the mic 1445 02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:51,040 just >> it'll pick up better if you're closer 1446 02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:53,760 and I apologize. Yeah. Thank you. Does that better everybody? 1447 02:11:51,679 --> 02:11:57,119 » I hate to have you lean down, but thank you. 1448 02:11:54,719 --> 02:12:03,920 » Try and raise this thing up here. All right. Um Oh, yeah. I can hear myself 1449 02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:12,079 now. Um All right. So, uh we also had uh space for uh restaurants and then uh to 1450 02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:18,079 help uh you know solve some of the uh um the issues with uh you know, visitors to 1451 02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:22,719 town not having a place to stay. Um, you know, we looked at, you know, where are 1452 02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:26,719 people staying when they come for events in town? Where are they staying when 1453 02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:32,400 they come for weddings? And it seemed like the perfect spot, you know, 1454 02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:39,199 historic context and all to have a hotel introduced in this area. So, um, we're 1455 02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:44,880 also proposing a, uh, you know, be a boutique, uh, hotel, you know, something 1456 02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:50,639 around 15 to 20 rooms to, uh, help with that. And so we're not losing all the uh 1457 02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:56,400 visitors uh to neighbor neighboring communities and also to kind of bring 1458 02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:59,840 people into uh into this area over here. You know, they're staying there. They're 1459 02:12:57,679 --> 02:13:06,480 walking by other shops. And this will just start to be a catalyst for um you 1460 02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:11,599 know, development uh adjacent. You know, kind of incentivize other business over 1461 02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:14,800 owners to make improvements. And the other thing we're doing here is, you 1462 02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:20,800 know, um you all are probably aware of the third street improvements that are 1463 02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:25,520 uh uh slated to happen. We're kind of looking at this as a uh you know, 1464 02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:33,040 terminus to that. So, a buffer before you get to the uh the neighborhood 1465 02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:37,520 beyond um a stopping gathering space for people. of this plaza, you know, events 1466 02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:45,360 can uh you know, bleed right off of Third Street uh into this plaza. And all 1467 02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:50,800 of these uh you know, micro retail, um restaurants, the hotel, Habitat, all 1468 02:13:48,719 --> 02:13:56,079 have increased visibility as well as all the other uh businesses in the area. 1469 02:13:54,079 --> 02:14:00,639 And uh so that kind of sums it up from our uh planning perspective. I'm going 1470 02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:06,560 to turn it over to uh uh David from our office to uh clue you in on uh how we're 1471 02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:09,719 looking at the architecture for this. Thank you. 1472 02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:17,280 » Good evening. Thank you for your time. Can you guys hear me? Okay. Is that 1473 02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:19,360 good? All right. Great. >> I want to lean in too. I think 1474 02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:20,880 » Yeah, >> I got to lean into 1475 02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:23,679 » there. You good? >> There we go. 1476 02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:27,679 » All right. One goal for this was to create a building that fits in with the 1477 02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:31,119 existing character of Berth. We all love downtown. We love the red brick 1478 02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:35,119 buildings. So, we wanted to make sure that we we fit in with that. We also 1479 02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:38,960 wanted to create a unique atmosphere that would draw people to this new 1480 02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:44,000 destination. Create a space that people want to go hang out and be within. So, 1481 02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:47,920 at the ground floor, we kept an approachable scale with features that 1482 02:14:46,079 --> 02:14:52,560 are common within buildings that are 100 years old. While the upper level is a 1483 02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:58,560 more contemporary feel, inviting guests to to explore the upstairs utilize one 1484 02:14:55,440 --> 02:15:03,199 of the upper level seating areas. As Josh mentioned, this property is 1485 02:15:00,639 --> 02:15:08,960 bookended by two historic buildings that uh will remain. And uh we've got on the 1486 02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:14,639 right hand side the old birth at elevator mill, the scale house. We've 1487 02:15:11,679 --> 02:15:19,599 got one thought here to turn that into a bakery as a potential adaptive reuse. 1488 02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:24,320 We've got a structure that reaches over top of it without touching it to comply 1489 02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:28,960 with the uh Secretary of Interior standards for historical buildings to 1490 02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:34,560 create a a new outdoor seating area upstairs that is a part of the uh the 1491 02:15:31,599 --> 02:15:38,800 hotel bar and restaurant. And then on the leftand side we have the 1492 02:15:36,639 --> 02:15:44,000 old First National Bank which as mentioned would become Habitat's 1493 02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:50,719 offices. And then next door to that to the east, we uh pulled from some older 1494 02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:56,560 kind of stylings of of downtown, you know, what what downtown was and birthe 1495 02:15:52,800 --> 02:16:01,280 it in early 1900s to create a a classy upscale Habitat for Humanity Restore. 1496 02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:05,760 This would be their primary entrance right off Massachusetts. They'd have a 1497 02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:11,440 second entrance off the pedestrian alley that's there to the right. And then just 1498 02:16:08,719 --> 02:16:15,520 to the right of Habitat's Restore is about a thousand square foot retail 1499 02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:20,320 space. Maybe that gets divided into two retail spaces if there's a need. Trying 1500 02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:25,520 to look for opportunities to create a space for a small business that someone 1501 02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:29,920 that uh can't handle the the larger rent or a larger space. A lot of the spaces 1502 02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:34,000 that are available occasionally in Berlin are are much larger than that and 1503 02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:37,679 it's tough to take on as a small business owner. 1504 02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:42,319 And then on the corner, that would be the primary entrance to what we're 1505 02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:46,719 calling the Bertha Grand Hotel. And you would enter in there to a lobby. And on 1506 02:16:44,639 --> 02:16:52,399 the second floor, we have about 1,000 square ft of indoor seating area along 1507 02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:56,000 with a kitchen area for a restaurant. And there's almost 1,000 square feet of 1508 02:16:54,319 --> 02:17:00,880 outdoor seating on the lefthand side above habitat space. That's an outdoor 1509 02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:07,760 seating area. And then on the right hand side above uh the old the old uh the 1510 02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:12,960 weight station there is another outdoor seating area. And then on the third 1511 02:17:10,319 --> 02:17:18,479 floor we have a small indoor space for the hotel bar. It's a just a rooftop bar 1512 02:17:16,719 --> 02:17:23,679 with some additional outdoor seating up there. And as Josh said, we've got 1513 02:17:21,599 --> 02:17:28,000 that's currently designed with about 20 hotel rooms. That's a mixture of of 1514 02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:33,519 double queens, single queens, and some kings and a few suites. So, it all fits 1515 02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:36,880 in here really nice. And then you can kind of see in the distance there 1516 02:17:34,719 --> 02:17:43,760 underneath the bridge, we have four more micro retail. They're all about 300 to 1517 02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:48,319 500 ft. Again, looking at small spaces, easy to rent, and the furthest structure 1518 02:17:46,319 --> 02:17:53,519 is a two-story restaurant space with another rooftop seating area there. So, 1519 02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:56,719 hopefully this allows everyone to dream a little bit. It's a It's an honor to 1520 02:17:55,519 --> 02:18:01,679 keep getting to come in front of you guys with these fun uh concepts and 1521 02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:06,439 can't wait to see some of them come to life. So, appreciate it. 1522 02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:06,439 » Thank you. 1523 02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:17,439 » Just as some samples of other communities around that have done some 1524 02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:21,359 similar things up in BV in the mountains, they've they've repurposed 1525 02:18:19,439 --> 02:18:26,160 some areas. It's these are new structures obviously, but they've it's 1526 02:18:23,439 --> 02:18:29,679 just some simple detailing that creates some charm, some character. That's 1527 02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:37,080 really what we're after. So, just wanted to show some uh some real world examples 1528 02:18:32,319 --> 02:18:37,080 of what this space could look like. 1529 02:18:40,399 --> 02:18:48,880 » Thank you both. Uh I'm just amazed at the concept plan myself. it. I am just 1530 02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:54,639 in awe of your creativity and taking all of the conversations we've had in 1531 02:18:51,840 --> 02:19:00,160 presenting this. So, thank you. Um, so in addition to the benefits to the town 1532 02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:04,399 and the economic development and filling the needs that they shared, this 1533 02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:08,559 redevelopment project also does expand our capacity to serve. So, I just want 1534 02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:14,319 to dive into that a little bit more. So, our local restore opened in 2001 1535 02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:19,519 as a donation center that sells new and gently used products in which the 1536 02:19:16,479 --> 02:19:24,559 proceeds from the sales directly support our mission of building homes and 1537 02:19:21,599 --> 02:19:29,519 improving the community. With expanded restore operations and permanent office 1538 02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:34,080 space located in the hub at Oldtown, Birth at Habitat will increase our 1539 02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:38,960 revenue to fund more affordable housing while operating more efficiently and 1540 02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:43,200 sustainably in alignment with our mission and vision, ultimately 1541 02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:47,200 contributing to the town's long-term housing stability as well as workforce 1542 02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:50,800 retention. Furthermore, the positions are restored 1543 02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:56,720 to better serve the community as a result of the increase in the retail 1544 02:19:54,080 --> 02:20:02,240 sales floor square footage. Currently, even though we have a twostory building 1545 02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:09,040 consisting of about 10,500 square ft, our main level is only 4,500 square ft. 1546 02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:13,920 So, we often have to turn away the community that want to donate to us. We 1547 02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:19,280 have to send them elsewhere because we just don't have the space. 1548 02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:22,720 So, we would be able to add the following departments. And I just want 1549 02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:27,359 to share this with the community so you know in the future if this comes to 1550 02:20:24,880 --> 02:20:32,800 fruition, we would be glad to take your donations so we can build more homes. We 1551 02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:37,439 would be able to uh accommodate appliances, building materials much like 1552 02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:42,080 a typical Habitat Restore, cabinets, doors and windows, electrical and 1553 02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:47,800 lighting, flooring, lawn and garden, outdoor patio furniture, paint and 1554 02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:47,800 plumbing. 1555 02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:55,920 So all that said, in a true collaborative spirit with partnership in 1556 02:20:52,880 --> 02:21:00,960 mind, Berth and Habitat, we respectfully request that the town board of trustees 1557 02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:06,319 consider further exploration and due diligence in search of a 1558 02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:10,880 potential right path forward. Accordingly, we at Berthood Habitat, we 1559 02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:15,120 are committed, my board is supportive, several of them are here, my staff is 1560 02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:20,399 here. We're committed to implementing a comprehensive capital campaign 1561 02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:25,200 uh inclusive of historical preservation grants and support from Habitat for 1562 02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:29,840 Humanity International in order to fund our portion of the project. The proposed 1563 02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:34,800 redevelopment, let's just get back to the goodness. The proposed redevelopment 1564 02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:39,680 at Berth's old town hall represents a unique and timely opportunity to address 1565 02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:46,000 our community's most um pressing challenges while honoring our historic 1566 02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:50,960 roots. We invite the town to join us in advancing this bold vision because when 1567 02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:58,479 we do build together, we build a better future for all. Thank you very much. 1568 02:21:55,760 --> 02:22:03,680 » Any questions for D or Tiffany? >> Yeah. 1569 02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:08,880 Um the architecture is easy easy to comprehend. You see it great ideas, 1570 02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:12,319 rooftops, restaurants, little buildings, your space. That that's to me that's the 1571 02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:15,760 easy part. >> The enigma comes in on the on the money. 1572 02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:18,880 » Sure. >> So you're talking about I think I don't 1573 02:22:17,280 --> 02:22:23,760 know what your term exactly was, but national habitat could help with the 1574 02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:29,200 funding. So is there a next phase for you where you say here's exactly what 1575 02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:33,359 we're looking for from the town? Um, we're trying to get a private investor 1576 02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:38,800 to come in for the hotel. We're going to pony up our percentage of the square 1577 02:22:36,240 --> 02:22:44,080 footage we're going to use. I'm I'm I'm lacking sort of that glue that says how 1578 02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:48,479 is this really going to going to come to fruition? Who's paying the bills? Who 1579 02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:52,800 » That's a great question. Yes. And as I stated, we our mission is not to be a 1580 02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:58,000 developer, you know, to revitalize downtown properties by any stretch of 1581 02:22:54,960 --> 02:23:01,840 the imagination, but we want to partner. What does that look like exactly? I'm 1582 02:22:59,920 --> 02:23:05,439 not sure. But I know that we have a board and we would form a targeted 1583 02:23:03,439 --> 02:23:10,319 steering committee to put heads together in the community that have financial 1584 02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:14,800 understanding and the wherewithal to create a very comprehensive capital 1585 02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:20,720 stack again for our portion of the funding. Now that being said, uh 1586 02:23:17,200 --> 02:23:24,640 trusting we would also leverage relationships that we currently have and 1587 02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:29,200 use our network to see what the possibilities are. But what I'm really 1588 02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:33,680 asking for is to collaborate with the town if to find out if you are 1589 02:23:31,439 --> 02:23:38,720 supportive of this to take it to the next step and dive in to figure out 1590 02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:44,000 actual cost. what is the scope and then to back into it that way. Almost like 1591 02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:47,520 reverse engineering if you were if I were a developer and I came here with my 1592 02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:51,840 concept planned I would obviously go through the planning commission and 1593 02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:59,920 through the process but here it's backwards to say this is truly what we 1594 02:23:55,280 --> 02:24:04,560 feel would be um a great opportunity for the town and birth of habitat so 1595 02:24:02,319 --> 02:24:08,000 together we can address affordable housing. Does that kind of answer your 1596 02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:12,560 question? I wish I had all the >> It sounds like the phase two or the next 1597 02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:15,760 step is what you just described and um you know, I commend you on thinking 1598 02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:18,640 outside of the box and bringing what looks like a nice addition to the town. 1599 02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:22,319 So, thanks for all the work you've put in so far. 1600 02:24:19,439 --> 02:24:26,720 » Sure. My pleasure. >> Questions? 1601 02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:30,560 » Is there anything else going on Habitat like this? Is there anything else going 1602 02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:32,960 on in Habitat International like this at all? 1603 02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:37,840 » That's a great question. I've talked to uh the restore division at Habitat 1604 02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:42,880 International and asked that question. They have given me contact information 1605 02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:47,760 for somebody in Philadelphia. There may be one if if at all. So, I don't exactly 1606 02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:53,439 have that answer, but I am completing that due diligence to find out because 1607 02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:57,600 I'm willing to bet this is not common because typically if you go to Fort 1608 02:24:54,960 --> 02:25:01,200 Collins, if you go to Gley, if you go to Leland, you know, these buildings, it's 1609 02:24:59,600 --> 02:25:04,560 the low rent district for lack of a better word, right? I'm in real estate, 1610 02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:10,160 not commercial. like on the residential side, but I know enough to know that 1611 02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:14,800 Habitats will, you know, move towards empty spaces, maybe an empty big lots 1612 02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:18,960 building or something like that, a strip mall, or just off the beaten path where 1613 02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:23,600 they're really not getting that community vibrancy and engagement. Um, 1614 02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:28,319 so this, in my opinion, and I'll get clarification from International, would 1615 02:25:25,760 --> 02:25:33,680 truly potentially be a model of how we can be more inclusive 1616 02:25:30,399 --> 02:25:39,760 in a community and create space I mean, think about the shopping equity there uh 1617 02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:41,920 within the community. So, I I don't know for sure, but I'll get back to you on 1618 02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:45,240 that. >> Thanks. 1619 02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:45,240 » Yeah. 1620 02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:56,240 » Go ahead, >> Mayor Carpect. Um, I search for Habitat 1621 02:25:53,600 --> 02:26:04,000 Humanity resale stores when we travel. It's just a little hobby of mine. And I 1622 02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:10,160 have seen some um more boutique style settings for some habitat in the state 1623 02:26:06,960 --> 02:26:16,080 of Washington, in California um where it is set in like a downtown 1624 02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:21,680 setting and it is more like a little shop than necessarily a restore. Now, if 1625 02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:26,160 you want to get your tile and your sinks and things like that, there will be an 1626 02:26:23,359 --> 02:26:32,399 area for that. However, the storefront with household goods and more, you know, 1627 02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:38,319 antiques and things like that. Um, there's been some juicy things at this 1628 02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:43,120 Habitat store. So, um, I just wanted to let you know that I have been to Habitat 1629 02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:49,040 resale stores where they're more set up like an antique store for that frontage. 1630 02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:52,319 » And if I could, can I jump in? Ann, you bring up some good points and I just 1631 02:26:50,479 --> 02:26:56,319 want to I brought some financial information for the last five years. I 1632 02:26:54,560 --> 02:27:00,319 have our, you know, birth at habitat financial amounts, but what I really 1633 02:26:58,160 --> 02:27:07,040 want to focus on is our restore. So 2021, our income was 622,780. 1634 02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:17,040 That's on donated goods, y'all. That is amazing. Uh 2122 we're at 633, 2223, 1635 02:27:12,160 --> 02:27:22,160 590, 23, 24, 610, 2425, 555, and then we budgeted 600,000 for this ne current 1636 02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:29,120 fiscal year. Um, so our profit margins have been they have ranged though during 1637 02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:35,120 that 5-year period uh 21% to 33%. Not too shabby. And we reinvest every 1638 02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:38,880 single dollar back into our mission. >> So are those numbers are those are those 1639 02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:42,560 net numbers after expenses? >> Those are gross are 1640 02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:46,479 » those revenue after expenses, right? >> They're after expenses. All expenses. 1641 02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:48,000 » Well, the the first figure I gave you is gross 1642 02:27:47,439 --> 02:27:52,080 » gross sales >> and then I gave you the profit margin. 1643 02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:56,479 So, I can tell you the expenses. Yeah. But I thought it'd be good to focus on 1644 02:27:53,520 --> 02:28:00,640 that income and then give you the margin and I can do that for each year if you 1645 02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:04,399 want. I'm also happy our financials are public information. So, if anybody wants 1646 02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:08,280 more information, we can definitely dive into that and take a look. 1647 02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:14,160 » Well, we just go down the line because I have trusty uh Alrech last time Trusty 1648 02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:17,760 Wing. >> I'm not exactly sure what the question 1649 02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:22,240 is. I like the concept. I like improving the town. I I like the artist's 1650 02:28:20,240 --> 02:28:25,920 rendition, the architecture. So, I it all looks like a plus to me. Um I just 1651 02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:30,160 think the devil's in the detail and there's a lot of financial questions to 1652 02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:34,000 address. So, I don't exactly know what the question is. I like the concept. I 1653 02:28:32,319 --> 02:28:37,120 » I think that is that is the answer to the question. I think the intent of 1654 02:28:35,439 --> 02:28:41,040 tonight is not to make any decisions. Obviously, the intent of tonight is to 1655 02:28:39,439 --> 02:28:45,439 present the concept, to get your initial feedback, and if this is something that 1656 02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:50,479 the town board wants us as staff to work with Habitat on uh to refine a concept, 1657 02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:53,920 to put together financial models, do all the things that we would typically do in 1658 02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:56,560 a redevelopment project like this, uh then we will do that. We just don't want 1659 02:28:55,200 --> 02:28:59,680 to spend the time and energy to do it. If you look at it and you go, "Hey, we 1660 02:28:57,760 --> 02:29:03,840 don't want to we this this is neat, but no thanks." I mean, I don't think that 1661 02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:07,920 was we didn't expect that to be the response, but we also want to make sure 1662 02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:11,920 that that you guys uh feel like this is worthy of of the town's time and money 1663 02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:14,240 to pursue this redevelopment opportunity >> based on what I've seen. I would support 1664 02:29:13,280 --> 02:29:17,280 that. >> Great. Thanks. 1665 02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:21,920 » Uh Trusty Hardy. >> Yeah, I think it's better than what's 1666 02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:25,439 there now. >> I just want to see it move forward and 1667 02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:32,000 see something happen. Be nice to get that infill completed. 1668 02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:36,720 » 50 years. Yeah. Um, possible hotel, check. Rooftop space, check. Third 1669 02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:40,800 street improvements, check. Parallels with Senako and the whatever happens 1670 02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:46,800 with the skate park, check. >> Um, it's contained within a small area 1671 02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:52,640 which doesn't add to sprawl. So, you're getting a lot of bang for for whatever 1672 02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:58,960 buck may or may not be proposed. Um and then partnership with Habitat which puts 1673 02:29:56,800 --> 02:30:04,080 money in different parts of the the money that is spent basically goes back 1674 02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:09,439 into the community which is something that we're concerned with in other areas 1675 02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:13,439 as well. So it it I mean it checks a lot of boxes and if the ask is just would 1676 02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:18,560 you like to move forward with negotiations or with planning I I think 1677 02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:22,160 that's an easy an easy yes. >> Dr. Albert 1678 02:30:19,359 --> 02:30:29,120 » yeah I completely agree. I feel like the concept and um the idea is just truly 1679 02:30:25,520 --> 02:30:34,000 inspired to put a boutique hotel in the downtown area and make it feel historic 1680 02:30:31,439 --> 02:30:38,319 and really highlight the history of the trains and people coming into town and 1681 02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:42,640 and that Massachusetts Avenue reactivating that with not only the 1682 02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:45,920 historic component but the commercial component where people can come and 1683 02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:51,359 visit and spend money. I feel like that's all very um connected. And so to 1684 02:30:49,439 --> 02:30:55,040 have a an organization our town bring that to us and you guys, you know, 1685 02:30:53,359 --> 02:30:59,120 fronting the money and doing these designs and bringing that to us is 1686 02:30:56,800 --> 02:31:03,359 really amazing. And you didn't have to do that. And so in order to move 1687 02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:07,920 forward, just please continue to let us know how we can partner and and make 1688 02:31:05,840 --> 02:31:11,920 things, you know, continue. And I think the boutique version of the Habitat's 1689 02:31:10,080 --> 02:31:16,240 going to be so awesome for our community and it's going to benefit so many 1690 02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:20,080 different people in the future. And I'm excited that it's all uh it's all going 1691 02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:24,720 to bring money to Bertha to stay in Bertha to help berth it families. So 1692 02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:29,280 thank you so much for 1693 02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:34,479 » um I did have one question. Um were something like this to proceed from a 1694 02:31:31,439 --> 02:31:39,280 habit standpoint? Uh would this take priority over homes or would side by 1695 02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:44,560 side? >> No, I I it wouldn't take priority by any 1696 02:31:42,160 --> 02:31:48,160 means. We would that capital campaign would be separate from our budget that 1697 02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:52,160 we have already approved and we're tracking towards. Um, also I didn't give 1698 02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:56,640 any history but it's in the board packet. If you all take a look to see 1699 02:31:53,840 --> 02:32:01,120 what our impact has been, we have historically only built one to one and a 1700 02:31:58,880 --> 02:32:05,600 half a year and we're a 25-year-old organization. This year, if things go 1701 02:32:03,359 --> 02:32:11,040 well and we're on track with Harvest 47, we will close six homes. So, we're 1702 02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:16,640 already, you know, um, making that impact and we would not I'm I can't 1703 02:32:13,680 --> 02:32:18,800 sleep at night if we're not doing our part to build homes for families. 1704 02:32:18,399 --> 02:32:25,240 » Okay. >> Yeah. 1705 02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:25,240 » And so, I would just second 1706 02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:32,399 uh I think it's a really great concept. We've been 1707 02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:37,439 property and I I think it really comes down to 1708 02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:40,680 what kind of looking at 1709 02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:51,080 other folks on board more than happy to investigate that. Thank you for bringing 1710 02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:51,080 this to us. 1711 02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:59,600 » I agree. I um it's just it's so novel to me. So I I'm I'm very appreciative of of 1712 02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:03,280 this. And when you brought up that these usually go into kind of lower rent 1713 02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:08,000 areas, it's so true. So, if you were to say this without having the concept plan 1714 02:33:05,680 --> 02:33:11,600 or just talk about this, I would be a little more hesitant, but 1715 02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:14,800 I'm so appreciative. And Asher, I'm appreciative that you guys are in town. 1716 02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:18,800 You guys do fantastic work. And Tiffany decided to bring them on board to see 1717 02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:23,680 how this could look. And it it looks fantastic. Um to have that kind of 1718 02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:28,479 upscale front to have all the different um possibilities of a hotel, of a 1719 02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:32,640 restaurant, different meeting areas, and then still have the Restore out back. It 1720 02:33:30,399 --> 02:33:36,160 it I think it if this works out, it's almost better than the first the first 1721 02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:40,720 go around at this where that fell through. I if this goes the way that 1722 02:33:38,399 --> 02:33:44,720 this is kind of being presented right now, this is it's a win-win. It's 1723 02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:49,040 absolutely fantastic. So, and I'd imagine I brought you're just so novel 1724 02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:53,200 in and entrepreneurial so many different areas that this hasn't been done before 1725 02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:56,399 anywhere. So, I I'm no habitat expert, but I imagine there's gonna be a lot of 1726 02:33:54,479 --> 02:34:01,200 people watching you as this goes to see how this can be brought across the 1727 02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:04,880 nation. Well, and I that leads me to share with you when we were at a 1728 02:34:02,640 --> 02:34:08,399 conference in Vale for Habitat Colorado put it on, but Habitat Capital was 1729 02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:15,200 there. Daniel Gura is his name with Habitat International. And he came up to 1730 02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:18,399 me and he said, "I remember meeting you the first time, but I just want to say 1731 02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:24,479 that I'm hearing great things are happening in Berlin." So there eyes are 1732 02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:29,200 on us. So I just think it's we need to strike while the iron's hot and leverage 1733 02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:32,160 that partnership. Awesome. Well, I'm completely supportive too of just this 1734 02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:36,800 next step and I guess the steering committee is it and working with staff 1735 02:34:33,359 --> 02:34:41,439 to figure out that next step. So, >> if I say anymore, I will start crying. 1736 02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:44,160 » So, I really appreciate your consideration and support. 1737 02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:51,520 » Thank you. >> Thank you, thanks so much, 1738 02:34:47,820 --> 02:34:55,000 [Applause] >> Mayor. Can we 1739 02:34:55,359 --> 02:34:58,399 » All right. 1740 02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:07,760 yellow. [Laughter] 1741 02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:13,520 » I'm so excited for you. >> Awesome. Thank you for the invite. 1742 02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:16,680 » The yellow door. All right. >> Pink door. 1743 02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:23,600 » Thank you very much. >> Thank you. 1744 02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:26,720 » Excuse me. Could I speak to the issue? >> Sorry. 1745 02:35:24,080 --> 02:35:31,120 » Could I speak to the issue? Um, sure. Mr. Lack, go ahead. 1746 02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:36,399 » Thank you, Brian Lack. Uh, 706 7th Street and 606 1747 02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:41,920 uh 2nd Street where my business is. This is genius. 1748 02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:48,319 This is next level. Jimmy Carter is up there in heaven. He is looking down upon 1749 02:35:45,359 --> 02:35:53,760 this and it will be a blessed thing that will happen. The only thing I would add, 1750 02:35:51,920 --> 02:35:58,399 what a great place to have a little fix it repair shop. 1751 02:35:56,399 --> 02:36:03,120 » I I hope you guys can make this happen. This would just be so awesome. 1752 02:36:01,439 --> 02:36:06,000 » Thank you. >> Uh I did this out of order, but this 1753 02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:09,280 brings up a very good point. Is there anyone here that was here for Habitat 1754 02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:15,359 that wishes to speak to that? I'm sorry for not bringing that stuff up earlier. 1755 02:36:12,399 --> 02:36:20,200 » Okay. Thank you, Mr. Lack. We want to take a five minute break. All right. 1756 02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:20,200 Let's take a five minute break. 1757 02:43:30,560 --> 02:43:36,479 for entertaining that break. I'm going to call the meeting back to order and we 1758 02:43:33,359 --> 02:43:40,720 will uh move on now to the Jesuscowski update. Here we have Keith Null back to 1759 02:43:38,479 --> 02:43:46,800 to uh present on this. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. So, this is the 1760 02:43:43,520 --> 02:43:52,880 Juskowski property concept update and I'll wait for it to 1761 02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:58,960 present on the screen. Okay, here we go. Thank you. 1762 02:43:56,319 --> 02:44:04,720 Uh, the Juskowski property is located in the northwest corner of town. It's a 78 1763 02:44:02,080 --> 02:44:07,720 acre property north of Lone Tree Reservoir. 1764 02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:16,240 The town acquired this property from Eileen Juskcowski in 2012. 1765 02:44:14,080 --> 02:44:21,840 Um, it is under a conservation easement promoting the property's agricultural, 1766 02:44:18,640 --> 02:44:25,680 natural, scenic, and open space values. Uh, historically, retriever dog training 1767 02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:29,439 was performed on the property. And if you read through the conservation ement 1768 02:44:27,279 --> 02:44:33,520 indeed, you'll see that it's brought up multiple times throughout it. 1769 02:44:32,080 --> 02:44:38,319 Uh, what you're looking at in this picture, we have the 78 acre property. 1770 02:44:36,160 --> 02:44:43,520 What's also shown in the red area is the building envelope. This is the only 1771 02:44:40,319 --> 02:44:47,800 areas of the property where uh buildings can be de uh built on. 1772 02:44:49,439 --> 02:44:58,319 So we've talked about this property with port the port committee probably over 10 1773 02:44:55,279 --> 02:45:05,520 years. Um, in 2022, uh, the poor committee decided, uh, to kind of just 1774 02:45:03,520 --> 02:45:09,920 write out some amenities and plans for the property. Uh, we were then going to 1775 02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:13,840 take those pro uh, take those plans and share them with Colorado Openlands. 1776 02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:19,040 Colorado Openlands oversees the deed on the property. They monitor it and and 1777 02:45:15,600 --> 02:45:26,640 make sure uh, we're in compliance. So after the uh the port committee at 1778 02:45:21,840 --> 02:45:33,120 that point had recommended uh disc golf course um agricultural 1779 02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:38,880 uses of the property still um the buildings have always been something 1780 02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:42,240 that are not well thought out yet. Um and that's going to be a recommendations 1781 02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:47,680 from the board tonight if they have any recommendations for them. 1782 02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:52,720 Um and then dog training was also something that was never uh the port 1783 02:45:49,920 --> 02:45:59,439 committee never said no dog training but always just said keep exploring it. Uh 1784 02:45:56,080 --> 02:46:04,000 in uh after they came up with their uses of the property, we shared that with 1785 02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:07,439 Colorado Openlands in 2023. Um Colorado Openlands has a lot of questions every 1786 02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:10,640 time you tried to describe what you'd like to do to the property. So, it 1787 02:46:08,800 --> 02:46:18,479 became clear we need a picture we're all looking at together. Um, so we can try 1788 02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:21,760 to determine uh a proper use. Uh, I think it would be I think the port 1789 02:46:20,160 --> 02:46:27,200 committee also felt this could be easy. It could it be an open space to go walk 1790 02:46:24,479 --> 02:46:31,840 trails? Yes. Uh, little development and that's that maybe was the easy way. 1791 02:46:29,200 --> 02:46:37,840 throughout the uh port meetings, anytime this um property was brought up as an 1792 02:46:34,960 --> 02:46:41,920 agenda item, we had uh members of the disc golf community show up and we had 1793 02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:45,760 usually dog training uh members also show up for the property. Uh and so 1794 02:46:43,840 --> 02:46:51,760 that's what's kind of led into the design uh where it is at now. Um so in 1795 02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:59,279 2024, we began working through the conceptual design with Wink, our design 1796 02:46:54,479 --> 02:47:03,120 consultants. And in 2025, we have a uh design to share. Um this is kind of some 1797 02:47:01,680 --> 02:47:09,600 stages of where that design went through. Uh we talked about an artist 1798 02:47:06,720 --> 02:47:14,640 um shop in some of the buildings as maybe a possible use. We talked about 1799 02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:21,920 having a dog park out there. We talked about having a 36hole disc golf course. 1800 02:47:17,359 --> 02:47:25,920 And um where we left off with now is a property. And if you start on the east 1801 02:47:23,439 --> 02:47:32,720 side, this is where the disc golf um was placed. It seemed like this area had 1802 02:47:28,880 --> 02:47:37,439 more hills and topography to work with. Uh the center of the property has ponds 1803 02:47:35,680 --> 02:47:42,640 that were historically used for retriever dog training and those areas 1804 02:47:39,680 --> 02:47:47,120 are also considered the wetland areas. And then uh the west side of the 1805 02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:52,640 property would be maintain a working farm. Uh the building areas are not 1806 02:47:50,560 --> 02:47:58,880 really uh uses aren't really figured out for them yet. There is a large arena on 1807 02:47:54,960 --> 02:48:02,880 the site. Uh there is a a condo apartment attached to that. Uh the port 1808 02:48:01,439 --> 02:48:07,920 committee had recommended maybe that'd be a good place for a public restroom if 1809 02:48:05,359 --> 02:48:12,479 that site ever was uh to be developed because the plumbing and utilities might 1810 02:48:09,680 --> 02:48:17,840 already be there. Um, there is a garage on site that's uh what could possibly be 1811 02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:23,720 a good storage or maintenance building uh for the future. And then there is 1812 02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:23,720 also a house on the site. 1813 02:48:25,439 --> 02:48:32,720 Uh throughout the property there would be trails uh working around. Now 1814 02:48:30,800 --> 02:48:41,359 discussing this concept with Colorado open lands, it is highly unlikely that 1815 02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:46,720 um we could try to uh for the the acreage of grass 1816 02:48:43,840 --> 02:48:50,880 and stuff there. It'd be hard to uh you know replant native grass in there 1817 02:48:48,240 --> 02:48:55,120 without proper irrigation installed um because they they're very hesitant to 1818 02:48:52,960 --> 02:49:00,160 disrupt a large portion of this property at one time. Um, and that's because 1819 02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:04,160 they've had history in the past where uh entities 1820 02:49:01,760 --> 02:49:09,200 uh went through trying to reestablish an area and then they're just dealing with 1821 02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:14,319 weeds. So, anytime they see any type of development, um there's a lot of 1822 02:49:12,080 --> 02:49:20,720 questions. Uh the topography we have shown some little ridges and hills, uh 1823 02:49:18,640 --> 02:49:24,560 probably those would be unlikely uh to be done on the property. Um, so 1824 02:49:22,720 --> 02:49:29,200 basically how the topography sits now is probably how it have to stay. Uh, they 1825 02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:32,560 want to see as little disturbance as possible. 1826 02:49:30,319 --> 02:49:36,479 » Keith, if I may, um, just as you're looking at this map and and if you're 1827 02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:40,800 accustomed to looking at contour maps, uh, it may be a little it may feel a 1828 02:49:38,319 --> 02:49:45,279 little, um, misleading, the contour lines on the 1829 02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:48,319 disc golf course, uh, that would normally be a little tighter. You can 1830 02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:51,279 kind of see them up in the top corner of the screen because there is more 1831 02:49:49,279 --> 02:49:55,040 topography on that east side. they've been removed so it's easier to kind of 1832 02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:59,120 see the disc golf course. So you're you're seeing the you know the kind of 1833 02:49:56,800 --> 02:50:02,160 the primary contour lines those secondary ones that would show that 1834 02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:06,160 that's a kind of a steeper there's more terrain there those are kind of cleared 1835 02:50:04,399 --> 02:50:09,920 out to make it easier to see the disc golf course arrangement. So while it 1836 02:50:08,160 --> 02:50:13,600 might look like that area is flatter that is as Keith mentioned that's the 1837 02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:19,040 kind of the hillier side and then the west side is a little bit flatter um it 1838 02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:23,279 it still has little contours weld up. >> Could I clarify on that? We're looking 1839 02:50:20,880 --> 02:50:26,000 at one foot for the lighter and then five foot for each larger. Is that 1840 02:50:25,680 --> 02:50:30,640 correct? >> I believe that's true. Yeah. Okay. 1841 02:50:29,279 --> 02:50:34,319 » But there there's some significant terrain differences out there. When 1842 02:50:31,920 --> 02:50:38,560 you're standing up on the on the south end of the property or, you know, 1843 02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:44,319 portions of the east end, you know, you're at least 15 or 20 feet above, 1844 02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:48,800 you know, where the grade where the house is. 1845 02:50:46,960 --> 02:50:52,960 » All right. Thank you. 1846 02:50:51,120 --> 02:50:57,920 Uh these are some concepts or maybe some parking up at the north side. Uh the 1847 02:50:55,279 --> 02:51:02,479 disc golf community had shared that I believe it was in Erie that a new course 1848 02:51:00,880 --> 02:51:06,560 was built and there was only about 20 parking spaces or something like that 1849 02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:10,600 and definitely not enough. So parking um was looked at a little deeper. 1850 02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:21,040 Now how this compares to our our port survey from 2024, this process started 1851 02:51:17,840 --> 02:51:28,080 before then. Um, disc golf is listed 1852 02:51:24,319 --> 02:51:32,560 uh circled there. Um, it's also listed as the least important features, feature 1853 02:51:30,319 --> 02:51:39,840 amenities as well in the survey. So, it just kind of kind of sits in the middle 1854 02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:44,560 there. Um, for the dog training, uh, like I said, we've historically had 1855 02:51:42,720 --> 02:51:51,840 different groups asked to use the property as it is now. Um, 1856 02:51:49,120 --> 02:51:55,040 and we consistently decline those requests. 1857 02:51:53,359 --> 02:51:59,200 Lawn, what's al what's brought this a little more to the forefront for maybe 1858 02:51:56,880 --> 02:52:05,920 hunting or retriever dog training is Lawn Hag long Haggler Reservoir. Uh, to 1859 02:52:03,040 --> 02:52:10,720 the northwest is a CPW maintained property. It used to allow some sort of 1860 02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:16,240 dog training. Uh, I believe along the eastern portion of it. Colorado Parks 1861 02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:21,439 and Life did a audit of all of their um state wildlife areas a couple years ago 1862 02:52:19,279 --> 02:52:26,080 and those areas are supposed to be done or used for hunting and fishing. So, dog 1863 02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:29,920 training didn't fit. So, they removed dog training out there. Um and that was 1864 02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:35,439 brought to our attention during this process. 1865 02:52:31,520 --> 02:52:40,560 Uh they uh CPW did keep a dog training area up. It's uh north of Fort Collins 1866 02:52:38,000 --> 02:52:46,240 at the Cobb Lake State Wildlife Area. Uh so about 35 minutes from here. So, there 1867 02:52:42,240 --> 02:52:54,000 is a dog training site. Um, there's a pond out there. It's uh very large up 1868 02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:58,960 in, like I said, north in Fort Collins. So, for board feedback tonight, uh any 1869 02:52:57,359 --> 02:53:02,560 comments on the conceptual design so that we can take this and the the 1870 02:53:00,960 --> 02:53:05,920 questions you ask will always my response a lot of times will be like 1871 02:53:04,080 --> 02:53:12,000 we'll check with Colorado Open Lens on that. Um so uh 1872 02:53:10,080 --> 02:53:17,600 you know feedback on the amenities disc golf the ponds the agricultural reuse uh 1873 02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:22,399 buildings and then we also have a recommendation that the port committee 1874 02:53:18,960 --> 02:53:26,640 made. Uh this is in February. Um after after the February meeting we have 1875 02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:31,520 met with Colorado Openlands a few times to discuss uh this concept before we 1876 02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:36,399 felt we could bring it to the board still. So, the port recommendation was 1877 02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:40,560 for the town board and staff to consider a trial program for dog training on the 1878 02:53:38,319 --> 02:53:45,600 property prior to full development. Um, the staff recommendation is not to open 1879 02:53:42,640 --> 02:53:50,640 a training. Um, just because it doesn't seem like it's a a birthed need and 1880 02:53:47,439 --> 02:53:56,000 birthed residents highly trying to use the property. It seems like uh groups 1881 02:53:53,279 --> 02:54:01,439 from out of town I I believe they do live in the area. A lot of them do too 1882 02:53:57,600 --> 02:54:03,439 still. Um, with that I pass it to the board for any feedback. 1883 02:54:02,880 --> 02:54:08,040 » Thank you, Keith. >> Yeah, any questions right there off the 1884 02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:08,040 bat? 1885 02:54:08,800 --> 02:54:18,000 » Are there any kind of um facts about disc golf? Is it is it 1886 02:54:15,680 --> 02:54:22,800 growing in popularity? Is it dying? Would people really use it? I mean, 1887 02:54:20,960 --> 02:54:27,040 people talk about our parks and our trails and they love all that. And I 1888 02:54:24,560 --> 02:54:31,200 just wonder is this the you know get the uh best juice for the squeeze when in 1889 02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:33,600 doing a disc golf. I I'm speaking from an area of ignorance. I just have no 1890 02:54:32,800 --> 02:54:37,760 clue. >> Right. And I I can't speak to numbers. I 1891 02:54:36,640 --> 02:54:42,319 know there are some members of the disc golf community here that could possibly 1892 02:54:39,760 --> 02:54:46,880 answer that. Um I do know we've consistently heard it uh from a small 1893 02:54:44,319 --> 02:54:52,399 group in town to have a disc golf course and this was a site that seemed like 1894 02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:56,960 it'd work. Uh it I do think they are popular. 1895 02:54:53,760 --> 02:54:59,760 you can go, you know, out of your way an hour into the mountains and there'd be a 1896 02:54:58,240 --> 02:55:05,920 disc golf course randomly and the parking lot's full out there. Um, so 1897 02:55:04,160 --> 02:55:10,800 I think it could be used. I I think it could be a decent draw pulling from 1898 02:55:07,439 --> 02:55:14,880 Lovelin as well to use this course. >> You you illustrated the the path and 1899 02:55:12,800 --> 02:55:18,720 trails in some of the diagrams, but I don't I don't see them listed as a 1900 02:55:16,399 --> 02:55:21,920 number here unless it's just the port recommendation, but our intent is still 1901 02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:25,359 to have trails all through this. Correct. 1902 02:55:22,479 --> 02:55:30,640 » Correct. Okay. Okay. Great. >> Thank you. 1903 02:55:28,399 --> 02:55:35,760 » Um, if I may, one thing about disc golf, um, it's it's typical that disc golf 1904 02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:39,760 doesn't function like traditional golf and that you don't go to the clubhouse 1905 02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:43,040 and, you know, pay for a tea time. Um, you know, it's much more informal. 1906 02:55:41,200 --> 02:55:47,760 You're able to walk. Uh, there might be other folks out walking trails nearby 1907 02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:51,439 while you're playing disc golf. Um, you know, there are disc golf courses like 1908 02:55:49,120 --> 02:55:55,520 on school sites and other places. You know, it's a 1909 02:55:54,080 --> 02:55:57,200 It's not an exclusive use of the property is I guess what I'm trying to 1910 02:55:56,800 --> 02:56:00,560 say. >> It's frisbees with steel nets, right? 1911 02:55:59,040 --> 02:56:04,479 » Yeah. And it's and it's a it's a very low impact um opportunity I think 1912 02:56:03,200 --> 02:56:10,160 relative to some of the other things. And and the real issue here uh and this 1913 02:56:07,279 --> 02:56:13,279 is one of the reasons why I'll just uh editorialize for a minute if you don't 1914 02:56:11,680 --> 02:56:15,600 mind. One of the reasons why we've had such a hard time figuring out what to do 1915 02:56:14,399 --> 02:56:19,359 with this property is the conservation easement is very restrictive. For 1916 02:56:17,600 --> 02:56:24,800 example, it says no livestock is allowed on the property. And so, um, you know, 1917 02:56:23,120 --> 02:56:28,399 when I very first started here back in 2018, uh, some of the first meetings I 1918 02:56:27,120 --> 02:56:32,960 had were with the school district and some interested folks who really wanted 1919 02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:39,120 to do FFA, uh, a collaborative relationship with the school district 1920 02:56:34,399 --> 02:56:42,640 and their FFA program or 4. Um, but we couldn't have livestock on the property. 1921 02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:45,520 And so, while it could be used as a learning center, they couldn't they 1922 02:56:44,319 --> 02:56:49,680 couldn't bring animals out there and other things. There were some real 1923 02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:53,200 limitations. Um, as Keith mentioned, Colorado Openlands that that owns and 1924 02:56:51,520 --> 02:56:58,479 holds the conservation easement does not want a significant amount of disturbance 1925 02:56:55,600 --> 02:57:04,240 on the property. And so regrading uh buildings are are very limited if if um 1926 02:57:01,760 --> 02:57:08,399 not kind of explicitly excluded in a lot of ways. There's just there are a lot of 1927 02:57:06,479 --> 02:57:13,760 restrictions on this property. So a low impact use that requires very little um 1928 02:57:11,439 --> 02:57:17,279 quote unquote development like disc golf uh is a great this is a great spot to 1929 02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:21,200 put that kind of recreational amenity. It also has some unique terrain and 1930 02:57:18,720 --> 02:57:25,439 features and other things. So, um that that's really the reason I think why 1931 02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:30,319 disc golf came to the forefront as a use for this site if that makes sense. 1932 02:57:27,840 --> 02:57:34,720 » Yeah, questions. 1933 02:57:31,680 --> 02:57:39,840 » I have a couple. Um, one question that I have is what would it take? What 1934 02:57:37,359 --> 02:57:44,960 resources and infrastructure would it take to just make this accessible to the 1935 02:57:41,840 --> 02:57:50,800 public for public use for park for just trails and recreation, 1936 02:57:48,319 --> 02:57:58,160 » right? I think uh we would typically like to see some uh proper restrooms ADA 1937 02:57:54,319 --> 02:58:03,600 um type of setup. So, you would need a whole parking area uh figured out out 1938 02:58:00,960 --> 02:58:08,240 there. you need restrooms. Um, 1939 02:58:05,439 --> 02:58:13,439 that's like the minimum. I There's the concern of what do you do with a house 1940 02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:18,640 out there and some of the other, you know, buildings. What do you how do you 1941 02:58:15,040 --> 02:58:23,279 handle that when um, you know, you do have the public showing up and there's, 1942 02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:28,240 you know, houses and stuff that people aren't living in and and monitoring, I 1943 02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:31,600 guess. So to follow up on that, are those structures are we able to remove 1944 02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:35,520 any of those structures? >> Yes. 1945 02:58:32,800 --> 02:58:39,840 » And then my third question is, can we monetize 1946 02:58:37,120 --> 02:58:43,279 anyone using the park like for disc golf or for the retriever training? Could 1947 02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:48,319 that be something that brings in money to help pay for those park improvements 1948 02:58:45,120 --> 02:58:52,720 or is that does it just have to be open? >> We'd have to confirm the exact type of 1949 02:58:51,120 --> 02:58:57,359 reservation use on the property with Colorado Openlands. commercial uses I 1950 02:58:54,720 --> 02:59:01,760 believe is not allowed on the property. Uh agricultural 1951 02:58:59,279 --> 02:59:07,120 using as a lease for that is allowed and that's currently uh one of the uses 1952 02:59:04,319 --> 02:59:15,040 that's uh happening now. And I will say um you know again this this project was 1953 02:59:11,680 --> 02:59:20,479 kind of at the top of the um burner list and it got back burned mostly because of 1954 02:59:16,800 --> 02:59:25,279 the um challenges associated with the conservation easement trying to find 1955 02:59:21,840 --> 02:59:30,319 some creative uses. U I will say I met with Colorado Openlands again very early 1956 02:59:27,680 --> 02:59:33,680 on in my tenure here. Um and and I don't say this flippantly. We we said, you 1957 02:59:31,920 --> 02:59:36,800 know, we went through this long list of things. Jeremy and I, Jeremy Olinger, 1958 02:59:35,439 --> 02:59:40,080 our deputy town administrator, and I met with them, said, "Hey, could we do this? 1959 02:59:38,479 --> 02:59:43,920 Could we do this? Could we do this?" Most of the answers were no. And the few 1960 02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:47,040 things that they said yes to were kind of like, "You'll have to show us exactly 1961 02:59:45,600 --> 02:59:52,080 how you're going to do that before before we'll say yes." Um, 1962 02:59:50,479 --> 02:59:54,960 and and you know, we threw out things like, "Could it be rented out as a 1963 02:59:53,439 --> 02:59:58,399 wedding venue? It' be it'd be a beautiful wedding destination." Nope. 1964 02:59:56,880 --> 03:00:02,240 Absolutely not. That's commercial use. Um, could we have a golf course there? 1965 03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:07,760 No, that is a commercial use because you'd be charging for um you know green 1966 03:00:05,359 --> 03:00:12,880 fees and and things like that. So I think Keith's answer is a reasonable one 1967 03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:17,920 which is any ideas we have are good ideas. Um we just need to run them past 1968 03:00:16,160 --> 03:00:21,120 Colorado openlands uh to get their feedback at the end of that very first 1969 03:00:19,840 --> 03:00:24,960 meeting. And I'll admit I was a little discouraged. Um you know we said well 1970 03:00:23,920 --> 03:00:28,800 what what should we do with the property? and they said, "Well, your 1971 03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:33,680 best bet is to sell it. Um, you know, sell it for residential use, um, for 1972 03:00:31,439 --> 03:00:36,640 farming. It'll maintain its conservation easement. Somebody could live there, 1973 03:00:34,800 --> 03:00:41,279 farm it if they want to, or just have a a great piece of property." We 1974 03:00:38,080 --> 03:00:46,479 considered that. Um, but the but the park was added into kind of our port 1975 03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:50,880 list as a as a future town park, and that then also prohibits us from selling 1976 03:00:49,200 --> 03:00:56,560 it under state law without a vote of the public. So, that that complicates those 1977 03:00:53,920 --> 03:01:02,880 things. So these are some I think having gone through um the 1978 03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:08,160 port committee process this kind of refinement of concepts back and forth 1979 03:01:05,359 --> 03:01:10,960 with Colorado open lands um we could remove the buildings. I think the 1980 03:01:09,359 --> 03:01:13,920 buildings from our perspective as staff is the biggest concern. You know you've 1981 03:01:12,720 --> 03:01:19,200 got a lot of buildings out there that are um you know that are currently 1982 03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:22,080 monitored but that with the public being out there on a daily basis wouldn't be 1983 03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:25,439 monitored enough where we'd feel comfortable that they were safe. um that 1984 03:01:24,080 --> 03:01:29,920 they were, you know, if they were not occupied, if they weren't being 1985 03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:32,800 regularly used, right? They become kind of an attractive nuisance. Today, 1986 03:01:31,279 --> 03:01:36,560 they're behind a gate in a fence. They are monitored by staff and by the police 1987 03:01:34,800 --> 03:01:39,120 and other things. And so, you know, we feel like they're they're okay today, 1988 03:01:37,840 --> 03:01:43,120 but that's because there is no public out there. Um that that dynamic changes 1989 03:01:42,080 --> 03:01:48,319 a little bit. So, I think that's an important part of the conversation um 1990 03:01:45,439 --> 03:01:53,120 for you to consider. >> I do have one more question. When we 1991 03:01:50,960 --> 03:01:56,479 have a a conservation easement, is there ever any documentation of what the 1992 03:01:54,880 --> 03:01:58,640 family's original intent for the property is? 1993 03:01:57,359 --> 03:02:03,200 » That that is exactly what the conservation easement is intended for. 1994 03:02:00,800 --> 03:02:08,240 Um, so the the conservation easement itself is a is a long document that 1995 03:02:06,479 --> 03:02:12,240 specifies, you know, these are the conservation values of the property, 1996 03:02:10,160 --> 03:02:16,160 these are the allowed uses, these are the prohibited uses. uh you know it it 1997 03:02:14,960 --> 03:02:19,680 really the deed of a conservation easement it specifies all those things 1998 03:02:18,080 --> 03:02:22,880 and that's agreed to by the property owner that gave the conservation 1999 03:02:21,279 --> 03:02:27,200 easement to Colorado openlands in the first place which was Miss Jesuski. So 2000 03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:30,399 what is included in the deed of conservation easement really reflects 2001 03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:34,160 what her intent of the property was. >> That makes sense. 2002 03:02:32,080 --> 03:02:39,359 » All right. And uh the easement was created in 2003 2003 03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:43,760 uh before that she had uh an idea of where the property was going to go to. 2004 03:02:41,600 --> 03:02:48,720 And uh like I said, the town acquired it in 2012. So I think there was a period 2005 03:02:46,560 --> 03:02:52,640 where uh other entities were being approached to 2006 03:02:51,040 --> 03:02:58,760 take on the property and they declined. I believe Lovelin declined and a couple 2007 03:02:54,960 --> 03:02:58,760 others. So 2008 03:02:59,520 --> 03:03:06,000 » questions. >> I have a question that just came to my 2009 03:03:02,080 --> 03:03:10,080 mind. Um for the I'm as far as tearing down the buildings and 2010 03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:17,040 whatnot. I'm I'm hesitant to tear down that arena whatever happens just because 2011 03:03:12,720 --> 03:03:22,880 it's a big giant building. Um do you guys know if there's a limitation 2012 03:03:19,840 --> 03:03:28,279 on the possibility of use by the fire district or sheriff's department for 2013 03:03:24,640 --> 03:03:28,279 something in that arena? 2014 03:03:29,600 --> 03:03:36,279 » I think that's something we'd want to Yeah. 2015 03:03:31,439 --> 03:03:36,279 » evaluate and run past Colorado. Yeah. 2016 03:03:36,479 --> 03:03:43,200 » Good question. A few years ago, the sheriff's department lost their Toys 2017 03:03:40,640 --> 03:03:47,760 location, but it's too late. 2018 03:03:46,319 --> 03:03:52,240 » You know, we've we've considered moving our um some of our staff out there, uh 2019 03:03:50,880 --> 03:03:56,560 you know, like our forestry team, forestry and open space department, but 2020 03:03:54,240 --> 03:04:00,080 it is it's really as far from town as you can get and still be in the town 2021 03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:04,240 limits. Um >> excluding I25. Um, but you know, it is 2022 03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:08,240 it is kind of at the edge of town and and someday as the town grows east, 2023 03:04:05,920 --> 03:04:11,920 which will inevitably happen uh and more development occurs out by a 25 and those 2024 03:04:10,240 --> 03:04:16,080 kinds of things, it'll be really at the farthest part of town. And so moving 2025 03:04:14,399 --> 03:04:20,319 staff out there, we've talked about, but um may not make sense, but using it for 2026 03:04:18,880 --> 03:04:24,319 kind of temporary or maybe even permanent or semi-permanmanent uses that 2027 03:04:21,920 --> 03:04:31,439 are public in nature might be possible. Um but we'll have to evaluate that. 2028 03:04:26,880 --> 03:04:36,640 » Indoor cough um I could car 2029 03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:41,359 » um I I just had a question for staff. What kind of security or additional 2030 03:04:38,640 --> 03:04:45,760 funding would we need to implement? Should we go forward with some sort of 2031 03:04:43,120 --> 03:04:49,840 pilot program for any user group out there? 2032 03:04:48,000 --> 03:04:55,200 Has that been considered? >> Um it I think a lot of it depends on how 2033 03:04:53,200 --> 03:04:59,279 the how the property ultimately ends up. um kind of what the uses are, when it's 2034 03:04:56,720 --> 03:05:03,040 open, when it's not open, um whether or not the buildings stay or don't stay. 2035 03:05:01,439 --> 03:05:07,200 The buildings actually provide a visual obstruction in a lot of ways. So like, 2036 03:05:05,040 --> 03:05:11,279 you know, uh and the property is large enough that, you know, a a police 2037 03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:14,319 officer can't just drive by on Canada Road 14 and see the entire property, 2038 03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:20,319 right? So you have to drive into the property. um and and even accessing the 2039 03:05:18,000 --> 03:05:24,479 southern end of the property, you really can't see a lot of that even from the 2040 03:05:22,080 --> 03:05:27,840 house without walking or driving back there. So, you know, we'd want we 2041 03:05:26,000 --> 03:05:30,880 definitely want to have cameras um in strategic locations to be able to 2042 03:05:29,680 --> 03:05:37,120 monitor and be able to see what's going on out there. We'd want gates that lock 2043 03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:39,920 um at at certain times uh to prohibit overnight use. I think that's probably 2044 03:05:38,319 --> 03:05:43,760 an important consideration out there. No camping and that kind of stuff. Um, so 2045 03:05:42,319 --> 03:05:47,600 you we talked through some of those, but I think a lot of it again depends on 2046 03:05:45,840 --> 03:05:53,240 ultimate use and whether or not the buildings stay. 2047 03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:53,240 Thank you. 2048 03:05:53,439 --> 03:05:58,080 » There's other questions right now. I know there's members of the public that 2049 03:05:55,840 --> 03:06:03,439 want to do this. >> Okay. 2050 03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:05,439 » Um, thank you state your name. 2051 03:06:04,319 --> 03:06:11,040 » Yep. >> Yep. Um, my name is Joe Soek with the 2052 03:06:07,840 --> 03:06:18,880 Plat Valley Hunter Retriever Club. Uh my address is uh 564 Marcelina in Loveland. 2053 03:06:15,279 --> 03:06:26,240 Yep. Um so I guess some of the um restrictions that uh Mr. 2054 03:06:22,800 --> 03:06:30,640 Kirk was pointing out to the property is um it's very restrictive in its use. But 2055 03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:35,359 one thing that it's not restrictive in is dog training. It's mentioned four 2056 03:06:32,960 --> 03:06:42,640 times in the in the easement and it actually says um on the section 3 2057 03:06:39,520 --> 03:06:47,600 paragraph H commercial or industry industrial activities no commercial or 2058 03:06:45,680 --> 03:06:54,399 industrial uses are allowed on the property except for dog training and 2059 03:06:51,120 --> 03:06:58,960 then it goes on to say also agriculture. So those are the two things that you 2060 03:06:56,000 --> 03:07:05,840 could actually utilize it for commercially. Um, we have proposed to 2061 03:07:02,479 --> 03:07:12,800 have a pilot program um to open up for us uh the Flatbelly Hunter Retriever 2062 03:07:09,359 --> 03:07:18,800 Club to have access to the property um on a trial basis so that when um 2063 03:07:16,160 --> 03:07:22,800 hopefully when it is opened up for the public that we would have a track record 2064 03:07:21,200 --> 03:07:26,800 and a relationship with the town of Berth so that you know what our club is 2065 03:07:24,960 --> 03:07:32,720 about, how we operate, how we take care of the property and Um 2066 03:07:30,240 --> 03:07:37,200 so so when it did open up to the public, we would also be able to work in 2067 03:07:35,040 --> 03:07:42,160 conjunction with the public for the areas that we'd want to use. Um the 2068 03:07:39,760 --> 03:07:49,840 ponds is one of the biggest things. Those ponds are cut for um dog training. 2069 03:07:46,640 --> 03:07:58,000 um specifically it has different uh types of um retriever 2070 03:07:53,520 --> 03:08:03,840 um skills and factors to train your dogs in in those ponds. Um that's why she 2071 03:08:01,040 --> 03:08:09,840 built them. I I think the contour to the land is also um big for dog training and 2072 03:08:07,600 --> 03:08:16,160 that's why she's got it laid out the way that she did. And you know that it's 2073 03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:22,560 been 13 years that Bertha has had this property and one of the biggest things 2074 03:08:19,040 --> 03:08:31,120 that she's asked for is dog training and there hasn't been any dog training and 2075 03:08:25,359 --> 03:08:36,240 we as a club can offer that without any cost to the town of Berthan. We have our 2076 03:08:33,840 --> 03:08:44,080 own insurance. We would be able to list the property um on our insurance policy. 2077 03:08:39,760 --> 03:08:49,279 Um, we monitor our members so we know who is on the property and um we can 2078 03:08:46,800 --> 03:08:54,880 tell whether or not they are members. Um, 2079 03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:59,600 and it's just uh something that Mrs. Janowski really wanted was to have dog 2080 03:08:57,359 --> 03:09:06,399 training at that property and we w we can we have the solution and 2081 03:09:03,520 --> 03:09:11,439 can offer that without any impact to the town of Berlin. 2082 03:09:09,120 --> 03:09:14,240 Can I answer any questions? Does anybody have a question on 2083 03:09:13,120 --> 03:09:16,720 » what we do? How we do >> that? I just want to see if there's 2084 03:09:15,040 --> 03:09:20,600 anyone else uh that wishes to speak to this real quick. 2085 03:09:17,600 --> 03:09:20,600 » Sure. 2086 03:09:21,279 --> 03:09:30,560 » My name is Wes Dylan, 2343 Helena Court in Loveland. Miss Djanowski was a legacy 2087 03:09:28,319 --> 03:09:36,640 member of our club and um you know the property that she 2088 03:09:33,439 --> 03:09:43,600 has is very unique. Professional dog trainers utilize properties just like 2089 03:09:39,600 --> 03:09:48,319 that for the sole purpose of developing a professional hunting retrieving dog. 2090 03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:52,720 We're not professionals, although we interact with professionals in our 2091 03:09:50,319 --> 03:10:00,399 national organization, the United Kennel Club hunting retriever group. We're a 2092 03:09:56,640 --> 03:10:06,080 certified 200 member club. Uh basically front-range membership. 2093 03:10:03,680 --> 03:10:10,000 The ability to find a property with these characteristics is virtually 2094 03:10:08,479 --> 03:10:13,520 impossible for 2095 03:10:11,600 --> 03:10:18,720 anyone other than a professional that's going to generate it like Miss Jascowski 2096 03:10:15,520 --> 03:10:26,680 did, Janowski did for her own personal use. So the value may not be commercial 2097 03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:26,680 and the value may be very 2098 03:10:27,200 --> 03:10:36,960 very unique in a in a an urban setting or a 2099 03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:43,040 community setting, but to a select group of people, it is absolutely invaluable. 2100 03:10:40,319 --> 03:10:49,279 and we drive by it all the time and realize what a waste it truly is 2101 03:10:46,240 --> 03:10:56,720 for the resource that we try to to uh develop. So whereas 2102 03:10:53,760 --> 03:11:05,760 the ultimate solution is very complex and and we've talked to you all before 2103 03:10:58,479 --> 03:11:13,600 about this. We do offer a very specific very unique solution that's specific to 2104 03:11:10,319 --> 03:11:20,160 the concept or to the um document that's been drawn up without 2105 03:11:16,720 --> 03:11:26,880 terrible cost without um anything other than a access to the property under the 2106 03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:34,240 guidance and and regulations that you set for us. Um, it's something that it's 2107 03:11:31,200 --> 03:11:40,399 a it's a shame to see it go to waste. And also, I think that that we would 2108 03:11:37,279 --> 03:11:47,439 have the ability to work with the town for the development and co-use 2109 03:11:43,600 --> 03:11:50,720 of the Frisbee golf thing is wonderful. So, you know, that would not be a 2110 03:11:48,960 --> 03:11:55,920 conflict for us at all and would welcome, you know, to have a multi-use 2111 03:11:52,640 --> 03:12:01,120 thing. However, you know, the the the key for us is the the beauty of the 2112 03:11:58,960 --> 03:12:04,880 property itself and what we can do with it. So, thank 2113 03:12:03,200 --> 03:12:08,720 you very much. I appreciate that. >> Jeeoff. 2114 03:12:06,160 --> 03:12:10,960 » Um, mayor, I move to extend the meeting to 10:30. 2115 03:12:09,520 --> 03:12:16,760 » Second. >> All those in favor say I. 2116 03:12:12,319 --> 03:12:16,760 » I. All right. 2117 03:12:16,880 --> 03:12:25,279 » Hi, my name is Jeff Miller. I live here in Bured 739th Street. Um, 2118 03:12:23,279 --> 03:12:30,560 we are members of the club. We do look for places to train. We don't have a lot 2119 03:12:27,680 --> 03:12:34,720 of places available to train with these unique features. We don't have a lot of 2120 03:12:32,479 --> 03:12:39,200 places available to let the dogs run off leash. Um, 2121 03:12:37,040 --> 03:12:44,000 the way we train, we don't get all the dogs out together and let them all run 2122 03:12:41,120 --> 03:12:48,720 and have a good time. It's usually very specific. One, maybe two dogs out at a 2123 03:12:46,399 --> 03:12:51,439 time. They're under control. We take care of the properties because 2124 03:12:50,080 --> 03:12:56,880 we respect it and we don't want to lose access to it. So, 2125 03:12:54,080 --> 03:12:59,760 I'd urge you to allow us to show you what we can do and how we would treat 2126 03:12:58,479 --> 03:13:05,640 it. >> Thank you. 2127 03:13:02,080 --> 03:13:05,640 » Is there anyone else? 2128 03:13:05,760 --> 03:13:15,200 » I'm uh I'm Chris Huber. I live on 1513 Branch Street in Berth 2129 03:13:11,920 --> 03:13:22,160 uh just uh east of this property. I'm the father of birthed resident and 2130 03:13:18,560 --> 03:13:30,160 junior world champion disc golfer Haley Huber and now a twotime major winner. We 2131 03:13:26,319 --> 03:13:37,680 have nowhere to practice in town. Um so here's a few numbers real quick. Uh 2132 03:13:33,840 --> 03:13:43,600 Centennial Park in Longmont had nine almost a thousand unique players. And 2133 03:13:40,720 --> 03:13:53,200 this is just from our scoring app that we use. Uh almost a thousand unique 2134 03:13:47,600 --> 03:13:58,880 players and uh 4,500 rounds just last year. Um 2135 03:13:55,920 --> 03:14:04,479 there was again almost a thousand unique players 2136 03:14:01,359 --> 03:14:09,760 at Lou Miller Park and 4,000 rounds played last year. 2137 03:14:06,960 --> 03:14:17,200 The West View Middle School, which is a brand new course in Longmont, had uh 355 2138 03:14:14,160 --> 03:14:21,040 unique players. And because it's on school property and it's really 2139 03:14:18,720 --> 03:14:30,239 restrictive of when we can play, there was uh 1,500 rounds. Uh River Ranch in 2140 03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:35,680 uh just off the interstate in I don't know if it's Johntown or Lovelin there. 2141 03:14:32,720 --> 03:14:41,920 Um, it's probably the least desirable course in the area. Had almost 500 2142 03:14:38,239 --> 03:14:49,680 unique players last year as well. Um, Mahaffy Park, they put us in the the the 2143 03:14:46,160 --> 03:14:55,920 wasteland of the property. So, there's no trees. Our our local club, I'm uh 2144 03:14:54,080 --> 03:15:03,120 part of the leadership board for the Longmont Club and the Lovelin Club. Um, 2145 03:14:59,200 --> 03:15:08,560 we've taken all the dead trees that the city of Lelin is cutting down and 2146 03:15:05,680 --> 03:15:16,239 putting put them on the course so we have obstacles to play with. And um 2147 03:15:13,120 --> 03:15:22,399 we also have a second set of baskets out there now donated from the club. So now 2148 03:15:20,080 --> 03:15:28,640 we have multiple baskets we could play to on on each uh 2149 03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:36,640 hole. Um so we have nowhere to go within uh you know 2150 03:15:32,720 --> 03:15:42,239 of without driving 20 minutes to play and practice. Um 2151 03:15:39,840 --> 03:15:46,720 the the sport I don't have any data to back it up but 2152 03:15:44,479 --> 03:15:52,000 I heard during co it was the second fastest growing sport on the planet. So 2153 03:15:50,239 --> 03:15:58,239 only beat by pickle ball and that was the first the first meeting I was here 2154 03:15:54,239 --> 03:16:09,520 for and there was a lot less people. Um I just uh we we desire a course near us. 2155 03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:15,680 Uh I I almost guarantee that we can put it to great use. Uh, 2156 03:16:13,120 --> 03:16:23,520 you know, there's bad apples in every group, but most of us are dedicated to 2157 03:16:20,800 --> 03:16:28,479 cleaning up after ourselves. Uh, not making a mess, not, you know, doing 2158 03:16:26,399 --> 03:16:36,160 anything irresponsible on the course except playing. Um, 2159 03:16:31,760 --> 03:16:42,319 the Longmont Club sold has just this year sold almost 400 tags, which is kind 2160 03:16:39,600 --> 03:16:47,840 of the the membership uh part of the club. And Lublin, which 2161 03:16:46,080 --> 03:16:52,399 is a couple years old now, has sold almost 2162 03:16:50,880 --> 03:16:56,640 » Oh, sorry. >> Okay. 2163 03:16:52,960 --> 03:17:02,239 » We want some disc golf. >> Is there anyone else? 2164 03:16:59,439 --> 03:17:07,760 Thank you all for speaking. Yeah, thanks for coming back up. Um, if the trustes 2165 03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:10,880 have any questions for um the uh either the count club or the disc golf course, 2166 03:17:09,279 --> 03:17:13,680 I consider you guys subject matter experts. So, bring it back up if you 2167 03:17:12,800 --> 03:17:18,160 guys have questions. >> And one question for the the importance 2168 03:17:15,680 --> 03:17:22,880 of the water for the dogs. What's what feeds those ponds and do they stay at a 2169 03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:26,479 high level all the time? Does anyone know that? There there is a little bit 2170 03:17:25,120 --> 03:17:31,840 of ground water in the property that kind of probably seeps from loan tree. 2171 03:17:28,479 --> 03:17:35,520 Uh but the water does have over, you know, 60 shares of CBT water and two 2172 03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:39,680 shares of home supply water that's tied to the property and can't be moved off 2173 03:17:37,279 --> 03:17:42,319 the property. Um so when the farmer does irrigate, that also does trickle into 2174 03:17:41,279 --> 03:17:45,200 the ponds as well. >> Okay. 2175 03:17:43,520 --> 03:17:49,279 » There used to be some I don't know if there still is, but there's some pretty 2176 03:17:46,560 --> 03:17:54,160 good largemouth bass on the in those ponds. 2177 03:17:51,359 --> 03:17:58,439 If if if it gets opened, I I suspect those ponds will be empty real fast. 2178 03:17:58,640 --> 03:18:07,680 » I guess I'd like just clarification on whether if the training takes place, 2179 03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:13,439 could that be co-used with public use or would that just be private use only? 2180 03:18:11,359 --> 03:18:17,600 Meaning like the public could use it as as recreation 2181 03:18:15,359 --> 03:18:22,000 in addition to training or would it have to be exclusive? We we got to get you in 2182 03:18:20,160 --> 03:18:25,600 front of a mic to answer that. Um Keith, do you have any thoughts on that? I 2183 03:18:22,960 --> 03:18:30,800 guess you can ask. >> I'll pass to Christie. Sorry. 2184 03:18:28,640 --> 03:18:36,560 » Um yeah. Yes, we could work simultaneously. Um the way that that 2185 03:18:33,279 --> 03:18:41,120 last plan was where the uh the farmland and then on the other side was the disc 2186 03:18:38,239 --> 03:18:47,279 golf. Um we're primarily interested in the um ponds. So on the wetlands area, 2187 03:18:44,800 --> 03:18:52,800 which is um kind of isolated by itself there. Um, it wouldn't be a problem to 2188 03:18:50,399 --> 03:18:56,880 have disc golf people out there or even people walking certain trails and stuff. 2189 03:18:54,960 --> 03:19:01,120 I mean, there might there might be a little bit of logistics depending on the 2190 03:18:59,120 --> 03:19:06,319 trail where the trails are going, but we would be able to figure that out. Um, 2191 03:19:03,279 --> 03:19:11,600 and then as far as um depending on the time of year, we would want to be able 2192 03:19:09,279 --> 03:19:16,000 to use the farmland if it's possible, depending on, you know, where the crops 2193 03:19:13,279 --> 03:19:20,560 are. if it's the off season and there, you know, it's in the winter time and 2194 03:19:18,640 --> 03:19:29,279 the crops aren't growing that we could run the dogs on that side. Um, and then 2195 03:19:23,439 --> 03:19:34,160 also um it uh you know maybe prior to or certain certain vegetations that um 2196 03:19:32,319 --> 03:19:38,800 would allow the dogs to run through it without damaging the crop. Um we would 2197 03:19:36,720 --> 03:19:44,640 like to use that also. Is that >> that's very help? 2198 03:19:41,680 --> 03:19:47,960 Any other questions? 2199 03:19:48,000 --> 03:19:55,920 » All right. How do we feel generally? >> I really good. I again I think um it's a 2200 03:19:54,239 --> 03:20:00,479 it's a beautiful piece of property, beautiful views, and for it to be not be 2201 03:19:58,399 --> 03:20:06,279 used by anybody does seem like quite a way. So I I support the uses we've 2202 03:20:03,040 --> 03:20:06,279 talked about. 2203 03:20:08,800 --> 03:20:16,080 seems like >> I don't think it'd be one of our lower 2204 03:20:13,040 --> 03:20:20,239 expensive projects because we can't really do any grading or earth moving or 2205 03:20:19,120 --> 03:20:26,560 anything like that out there. Just go plant the metal frisbee trees, tree 2206 03:20:24,640 --> 03:20:29,520 stakes, >> parking, lighting, and security. 2207 03:20:28,319 --> 03:20:31,840 » Parking, lighting, security are the biggest expenses. 2208 03:20:30,399 --> 03:20:34,800 » Yeah. And then and then obviously we'll want to have restrooms out there that 2209 03:20:33,600 --> 03:20:37,600 those >> uh being able to use an existing 2210 03:20:36,080 --> 03:20:40,319 building if we're able to do that will help bring that cost down, but there 2211 03:20:38,880 --> 03:20:43,840 there'll still be some expense there. Yes, it's likely to be one of our you'll 2212 03:20:42,319 --> 03:20:47,520 see here in a moment one of our least expensive opportunities. 2213 03:20:45,680 --> 03:20:52,160 » And what were some ideas for the large arena building um besides storage and 2214 03:20:50,160 --> 03:20:56,800 stuff? Could would that be of interest to the dog trainers for the winter to 2215 03:20:54,640 --> 03:21:00,479 use indoors or that's something the Frisbee golf would want to have a couple 2216 03:20:58,720 --> 03:21:04,239 things inside for something? I don't know. 2217 03:21:03,040 --> 03:21:07,600 » Yeah, >> there's one. 2218 03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:11,520 » Uh, that I'm not sure exactly the answer to that one. So, we the the poor 2219 03:21:09,920 --> 03:21:17,600 committee didn't really have an intended use. We've talked about uh, you know, 2220 03:21:14,720 --> 03:21:20,239 opening that up for parking, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, 2221 03:21:18,960 --> 03:21:23,840 » it's a nice size arena. >> Yeah. 2222 03:21:20,640 --> 03:21:29,040 » It's a great great space to >> you variety of those things. 2223 03:21:26,720 --> 03:21:35,840 » The farm, the current farmer has stored equipment. um or hay in there from time 2224 03:21:31,760 --> 03:21:40,120 to time uh with permission. So that's about all it's been used for lately. 2225 03:21:40,479 --> 03:21:48,160 » So what would be your reason with this uh with the hound club to not 2226 03:21:45,920 --> 03:21:53,120 a lot? I know it's not a potentially a town priority. It wasn't even in the 2227 03:21:49,840 --> 03:21:58,160 surveys and whatnot, but um do you see any other reasons not to or can you just 2228 03:21:55,520 --> 03:22:01,439 expound upon that? They're not being recommended here. Right. 2229 03:21:59,600 --> 03:22:06,000 » Right. I think so. We can't I don't think we can be exclusive to just one 2230 03:22:02,960 --> 03:22:10,000 club. So now we're, you know, opening up for possibly other clubs wanting to use 2231 03:22:07,840 --> 03:22:13,279 the property. Um so it feels like there'd need to be some type of 2232 03:22:11,040 --> 03:22:19,359 reservation system created for this. I don't think uh so then we're we're 2233 03:22:17,359 --> 03:22:25,359 figuring out the form and how to do that. Um is an automatic gate? Is are we 2234 03:22:23,359 --> 03:22:29,200 set giving a combo out? How do we handle a property? Uh I I do agree like what 2235 03:22:27,920 --> 03:22:35,600 like like they've said the property is ready for them to use. It's um and uh it 2236 03:22:34,000 --> 03:22:41,439 is a lot nicer than the Cobb Lake property. Um I'd say just because the 2237 03:22:38,080 --> 03:22:46,800 way it's been maintained um and it was built for this essentially. Um but it is 2238 03:22:45,040 --> 03:22:50,880 figuring out that reservation system and maybe not agreeing fully that it is 2239 03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:56,960 something that you can also mix disc golf with with at the same time. Um, I 2240 03:22:54,640 --> 03:23:02,880 don't think do loose dogs are very popular. Uh, I know we do allow that in 2241 03:23:00,160 --> 03:23:07,200 town in certain areas, but uh, we also do receive a lot of complaints on it as 2242 03:23:04,560 --> 03:23:08,399 well. Um, >> okay. Thank you. 2243 03:23:08,000 --> 03:23:11,760 » Mhm. >> I'm seeing here one to three hours. I 2244 03:23:10,239 --> 03:23:14,720 mean, they this would all have to be worked out if the board didn't want to 2245 03:23:12,800 --> 03:23:19,760 go ahead with this, but doesn't seem like they're projecting an everyday 2246 03:23:17,840 --> 03:23:24,800 thing, right? Seems to be pretty limited in the scope of when they want to 2247 03:23:22,640 --> 03:23:28,399 Sorry, I'm breaking my own rule here. Um, 2248 03:23:26,479 --> 03:23:31,359 I'm just, by the way, we we just got this, so I'm just reading this now, but 2249 03:23:29,760 --> 03:23:34,239 it seems like they want one to three hours with additional one to two group 2250 03:23:32,880 --> 03:23:38,960 sessions per week. So, it doesn't sound like this is a every day. 2251 03:23:37,279 --> 03:23:41,439 » Um, >> okay. Thanks. That's a question I'm just 2252 03:23:40,560 --> 03:23:45,040 thinking out loud here. >> Okay. I I think I think the con the 2253 03:23:43,760 --> 03:23:50,560 issue and the concern that we've had from the beginning is one opening it up 2254 03:23:46,960 --> 03:23:54,640 for reserved or or kind of specialized uses prior to it being open to the 2255 03:23:52,000 --> 03:23:59,680 public we think is problematic. Um, and I think I I hope everyone understands 2256 03:23:57,439 --> 03:24:04,160 that, um, practically speaking, this is a publicly owned piece of property and 2257 03:24:02,000 --> 03:24:08,080 the minute you open it up to one group, then you have a lot of other groups 2258 03:24:06,560 --> 03:24:11,520 immediately saying, well, I, you know, why can't we use it and we need to be 2259 03:24:09,760 --> 03:24:16,080 able to have it for our time? And now we're trying to balance, we're trying to 2260 03:24:13,520 --> 03:24:20,800 turn this into a scheduled, rentable asset, uh, for for a large list of 2261 03:24:19,359 --> 03:24:25,600 groups. and we've been approached by others, not just this retriever training 2262 03:24:22,800 --> 03:24:27,600 group. Um, and so I think prior to it being open to the public, that's 2263 03:24:26,560 --> 03:24:31,439 problematic. Okay. >> After it's open to the public, um, 2264 03:24:29,760 --> 03:24:37,520 whether that's with disc golf and walking trails, uh, farm or otherwise, 2265 03:24:35,520 --> 03:24:40,800 um, being able to utilize the property with some kind of reservation system is 2266 03:24:39,439 --> 03:24:43,279 something that we could work through. I don't think that that's now 2267 03:24:42,239 --> 03:24:47,120 » that was going to be my point because like you can reserve a fickle for an 2268 03:24:45,120 --> 03:24:50,399 event. You know, there's a process, but you're saying we could do this. It's 2269 03:24:48,800 --> 03:24:53,120 just out of order kind of doing that. >> But again, I think, you know, part of 2270 03:24:51,520 --> 03:24:56,399 the challenge is >> we don't have a lot of facilities with 2271 03:24:54,960 --> 03:25:01,120 the exception of our ball fields. So, we do have some that are that are like 2272 03:24:58,800 --> 03:25:04,239 rented on a very consistent basis, >> right? Where it's like, you know, we're 2273 03:25:02,319 --> 03:25:07,520 going to have it every Tuesday from this time to this time. We're going to have 2274 03:25:05,200 --> 03:25:10,239 it every, you know, once a week uh from this time to this time, and then we're 2275 03:25:08,880 --> 03:25:15,439 also going to have it on Saturdays from this time to this time. So, that um we 2276 03:25:13,040 --> 03:25:18,800 don't have a lot of those arrangements. Um, it's not to say that we can't. Um, 2277 03:25:17,680 --> 03:25:21,680 but that's just something we need to work through. But my suggestion would be 2278 03:25:20,239 --> 03:25:25,600 that we not do that until it's open to the public. Um, and part of that is 2279 03:25:24,640 --> 03:25:30,160 because I think there's going to be some missing infrastructure. Um, this again, 2280 03:25:28,880 --> 03:25:35,359 we're going to have concerns about how does the property accessed? How is it 2281 03:25:31,680 --> 03:25:40,720 managed? Um, and and frankly, you know, it it kind of speeds up that process 2282 03:25:37,920 --> 03:25:44,319 ahead of the rest of this planning and and development effort. And sometimes 2283 03:25:43,040 --> 03:25:47,680 you get the cart before the horse and then there's things that happen that you 2284 03:25:45,680 --> 03:25:50,720 wish hadn't happened uh because it throws the other pieces off. We've had a 2285 03:25:49,439 --> 03:25:55,920 lot of that conversation tonight already too about other park projects. So, um 2286 03:25:53,600 --> 03:25:59,120 you know, from our perspective, if it's not open to the public, let's 2287 03:25:57,439 --> 03:26:03,120 not open it yet. Once it's open to the public, let's work work through the 2288 03:26:00,479 --> 03:26:06,239 logistics of reserving the property for unique uses. And we're going to get a 2289 03:26:04,720 --> 03:26:08,720 lot of those requests, right? >> It's going to be a popular park. 2290 03:26:07,439 --> 03:26:10,800 » It's going to be a popular spot. It's a beautiful place 2291 03:26:09,439 --> 03:26:15,359 » because I can see it with even with the disc golf the disc golf clubs too if 2292 03:26:13,439 --> 03:26:20,640 you're if you want to host an event over there or if you want 2293 03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:24,239 » events multiple clubs wanting to >> have it. So, we're going to have to try 2294 03:26:22,080 --> 03:26:26,880 to balance all those respective users, which is a good problem to have, right? 2295 03:26:25,680 --> 03:26:29,920 If we're going to have this asset, we're going to invest the money. We want it to 2296 03:26:28,319 --> 03:26:34,560 be well utilized. We want it to be used for both its, you know, kind of 2297 03:26:32,720 --> 03:26:39,520 primarily intended purpose, but also other good public uses. Balancing all 2298 03:26:36,720 --> 03:26:44,560 those, I think, going to be the trick. >> I think I think what happens a lot is 2299 03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:48,000 that we look at the full picture of what it can be and what it can do, and it 2300 03:26:46,160 --> 03:26:52,720 tends to stall things out because we can't put all the pieces together quite 2301 03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:56,640 yet. And so I like the idea of taking it in in stride. Let's open it up. Let's 2302 03:26:55,040 --> 03:27:00,800 get it available to the public. Let's allow the public access so that it's 2303 03:26:59,359 --> 03:27:06,560 absolutely striking out there. When we did our tour, I I was just amazed how 2304 03:27:04,479 --> 03:27:10,560 beautiful it is. And I'm so grateful for the conservation ement and how 2305 03:27:08,399 --> 03:27:13,200 restrictive it is because we tend to want to build on everything that we 2306 03:27:11,920 --> 03:27:17,200 have, all of our assets. It would be really great to not do that with this 2307 03:27:14,800 --> 03:27:23,040 one and have it be just a place where you enjoy the beauty and it's not super 2308 03:27:20,000 --> 03:27:27,040 um active. I do respect greatly the groups that are coming forward with the 2309 03:27:24,720 --> 03:27:32,479 retriever training because that was the heart of the owner and I I I think 2310 03:27:30,640 --> 03:27:36,000 honoring that what that was intended to be used for is incredibly important and 2311 03:27:34,560 --> 03:27:40,319 we think we'd all want that if we donated our property to a public use is 2312 03:27:38,720 --> 03:27:44,560 that we would have specific things we want to be honored and so I'd love to 2313 03:27:42,479 --> 03:27:49,680 work with those groups to create spaces where perhaps they have private access 2314 03:27:46,960 --> 03:27:52,560 to where we where you can observe the training taking in place, but it is 2315 03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:56,319 separate from the public. So perhaps some fencing or whatever implements you 2316 03:27:54,960 --> 03:28:01,200 could put in where it's still happening simultaneously, but and you can have a 2317 03:27:58,800 --> 03:28:04,720 nature and can have public use, but they're able to use at their leisure, 2318 03:28:03,520 --> 03:28:07,840 something like that where it's happening. And when you have the 2319 03:28:06,239 --> 03:28:10,640 argument of, well, why can't we rent the park and all those people coming 2320 03:28:09,439 --> 03:28:13,760 forward, I think you could directly point to the conservation movement, just 2321 03:28:12,319 --> 03:28:17,920 like you said, that the owner's intention was to have it be used for 2322 03:28:16,080 --> 03:28:22,479 that use as well as farming. And those were the two the two laid out uses from 2323 03:28:20,399 --> 03:28:26,479 what I understand in tonight's meeting. Any other uses are probably above and 2324 03:28:24,319 --> 03:28:30,479 beyond. And perhaps we can find one of our other amazing parks to locate those 2325 03:28:29,359 --> 03:28:34,560 things because those are important to disc golf would be amazing. And having 2326 03:28:32,479 --> 03:28:38,880 locals who are just thriving at that would be amazing. But if that doesn't 2327 03:28:35,840 --> 03:28:43,439 fit in this park, I don't want to slow this project down to make everything fit 2328 03:28:41,120 --> 03:28:48,000 when perhaps it shouldn't. Does that make any sense? Cool. 2329 03:28:47,040 --> 03:28:53,359 Trusty. >> Um I I agree with everyone's points. I'm 2330 03:28:51,120 --> 03:29:03,439 all for dog training specifically because it's M. Jakowsk's um legacy um 2331 03:28:59,040 --> 03:29:08,000 disc golf seems like a good low impact um sport to be putting on the property 2332 03:29:05,600 --> 03:29:13,040 especially since it's so uh restricted in the conservation easement. Um, I am 2333 03:29:10,960 --> 03:29:16,399 concerned from the town's perspective, if you if you open it up for 2334 03:29:14,880 --> 03:29:22,080 reservations, you have to open it up equally to all reservations. Um, as far 2335 03:29:19,520 --> 03:29:27,520 as the multi-use, I'm not as concerned about having the dogs there with other 2336 03:29:24,800 --> 03:29:31,359 multi-uses because those dogs are voice commands and they're not running around 2337 03:29:29,760 --> 03:29:34,800 chasing squirrels. They're they're working. They're working dogs. They're 2338 03:29:33,279 --> 03:29:37,840 not they're not a they're out there having fun because they're dogs and 2339 03:29:36,399 --> 03:29:40,880 that's what they like to do, but they're not just kind of willy-nilly running 2340 03:29:39,600 --> 03:29:44,880 around the property and getting into everybody's business. Um they don't 2341 03:29:42,800 --> 03:29:48,399 chase frisbees. They don't, you know, run up to people and and say hello 2342 03:29:46,800 --> 03:29:51,680 because they are there to work and that's what they want to be doing at the 2343 03:29:49,680 --> 03:29:56,720 at that point. So, I'm not I'm not concerned about having it. 2344 03:29:54,319 --> 03:30:02,399 A dog park, I think, is mis a misnomer for what would be happening there. Um, 2345 03:30:00,560 --> 03:30:08,479 what to your point about kind of opening up 2346 03:30:05,520 --> 03:30:15,359 as soon as possible, is there anything keeping it from being 2347 03:30:12,000 --> 03:30:19,840 just an open space that the ponds are reserved for dog training right now 2348 03:30:18,080 --> 03:30:24,560 without any infrastructure, without any changes? 2349 03:30:22,720 --> 03:30:28,239 If people just want to go to and walk in the field because it's an open space, is 2350 03:30:26,560 --> 03:30:33,520 there anything keeping them from doing that besides possible um problems with 2351 03:30:31,760 --> 03:30:38,080 security? >> That's our biggest concern is the 2352 03:30:34,960 --> 03:30:43,600 security piece. >> How's that different than like Bertha 2353 03:30:40,880 --> 03:30:48,000 Reservoir and that property and those trails? Like how because we're not 2354 03:30:45,520 --> 03:30:53,040 necessarily monitoring closely all of our trails and and parks. So, how would 2355 03:30:51,040 --> 03:30:57,200 this one be unique? And I know the buildings are unique, but we can almost 2356 03:30:54,880 --> 03:31:01,600 we can almost section those off as to not be accessible in some way until 2357 03:30:58,800 --> 03:31:05,439 they're removed or is what is what I would assume, but I think that that's a 2358 03:31:04,000 --> 03:31:10,000 fair point. What's keeping us from just allowing people out there to use it? And 2359 03:31:08,560 --> 03:31:13,120 then could maybe there be some disclaimer for people entering the park 2360 03:31:11,760 --> 03:31:18,640 to say there's retriever training happening, you know, just, you know, 2361 03:31:15,520 --> 03:31:23,359 please be respectful of the the training that's taking place. 2362 03:31:20,479 --> 03:31:27,520 those things happen. >> Again, I think um there are illicit 2363 03:31:26,160 --> 03:31:31,439 activities that happen at the reservoir from time to time and the police have to 2364 03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:35,200 show up and and deal with them. Uh and that's true of public open spaces. And 2365 03:31:33,600 --> 03:31:39,200 so I think you know from a community design perspective 2366 03:31:37,040 --> 03:31:43,520 uh and the idea of of community policing through environmental design, 2367 03:31:41,520 --> 03:31:48,560 the intent is to create highly visible and highly active spaces, right? 2368 03:31:47,120 --> 03:31:54,080 Spaces that don't get used very frequently are also higher targets for 2369 03:31:51,520 --> 03:31:58,560 um vandalism and other illicit activities. And properties that where 2370 03:31:56,479 --> 03:32:03,200 it's very hard to monitor the entire property or to easily see. One of the 2371 03:32:01,520 --> 03:32:07,279 benefits of the reservoir is it's highly visible. Um it's visible from the 2372 03:32:05,680 --> 03:32:12,080 neighborhood. It's visible from the freeway. You know, it's clear and open, 2373 03:32:09,600 --> 03:32:17,760 right? So you can see this property has some some hiding spots. Um, not to say 2374 03:32:15,520 --> 03:32:21,600 that that's that is not uncommon with public open 2375 03:32:20,000 --> 03:32:26,479 spaces, right? That's the reality of public open spaces. So, my biggest 2376 03:32:24,479 --> 03:32:33,439 concern is the buildings. It's not so much the open space itself. I think that 2377 03:32:29,520 --> 03:32:36,960 if it is open to the public and it's um and it is not adequately monitored, 2378 03:32:35,680 --> 03:32:39,960 we're going to have problems with those buildings. 2379 03:32:40,319 --> 03:32:44,800 That's my biggest concern. I I I don't think that that will be a 2380 03:32:43,439 --> 03:32:48,479 regular and frequent occurrence. I'm hopeful that it wouldn't be, but you 2381 03:32:46,720 --> 03:32:54,479 know, we have we have buildings in the middle of town that are abandoned that 2382 03:32:50,399 --> 03:32:58,560 are regular and frequent um vandalism targets even though they're in a highly 2383 03:32:55,920 --> 03:33:01,600 visible location. And so they're also highly accessible and this 2384 03:33:00,239 --> 03:33:05,359 is a little bit farther from town, so maybe you know kids or other folks who 2385 03:33:03,920 --> 03:33:10,399 are up to no good may not want to walk out there or drive out there to go 2386 03:33:07,120 --> 03:33:14,000 damage things. But um it's just the reality is we're concerned about the 2387 03:33:11,760 --> 03:33:18,560 buildings. >> I was just going to say I would be in 2388 03:33:16,000 --> 03:33:23,359 support of just taking the steps to remove the buildings because we can't 2389 03:33:20,399 --> 03:33:27,760 quickly address that issue. It'd be a lot easier to just construct the 2390 03:33:24,640 --> 03:33:33,279 buildings that we need. Um and I'd also be in favor of constructing soft surface 2391 03:33:30,640 --> 03:33:37,760 trails similar to like Hillsdale, which isn't I don't think there's any lighting 2392 03:33:35,200 --> 03:33:42,080 on that trail either. um you'd have lighting in the parking, 2393 03:33:40,720 --> 03:33:47,359 but the trail would be lit, but that would at least provide access for 2394 03:33:43,840 --> 03:33:51,359 responders or whomever to to monitor and get around safely. 2395 03:33:48,800 --> 03:33:55,279 » There's an existing access road. Um so, you know, police officers can drive in 2396 03:33:53,439 --> 03:34:01,000 and drive around the property. Uh at night time, it'll be really dark, but 2397 03:33:56,880 --> 03:34:01,000 that's true of every open space. 2398 03:34:02,479 --> 03:34:10,880 » We do have one more question. He brought up the comments about the dogs not 2399 03:34:08,239 --> 03:34:13,520 chasing after frisbes. What about u just the general public that are taking their 2400 03:34:12,160 --> 03:34:16,560 dogs out there that aren't so well trained? 2401 03:34:14,880 --> 03:34:18,319 » That's a problem in every park we have. >> Yeah, 2402 03:34:17,120 --> 03:34:20,960 » there's lots of folks who walk their dogs off leash in areas where that's not 2403 03:34:20,000 --> 03:34:24,640 allowed. >> Um if you have a dog and you've walked 2404 03:34:23,200 --> 03:34:27,680 it in town, you've probably experienced somebody else who is not a responsible 2405 03:34:26,080 --> 03:34:30,960 owner and whose dog was not on a leash and was not despite what they said was 2406 03:34:29,840 --> 03:34:33,840 not under voice control. >> Yeah. Because you got dogs out there. 2407 03:34:32,319 --> 03:34:37,439 » We have those we have those problems on a frequent basis. got the working dogs 2408 03:34:35,680 --> 03:34:40,960 out there on leashes, you know, because they're highly trained. But then 2409 03:34:39,439 --> 03:34:46,720 someone's like, "Oh, their dog's not on a leash." But anyway, that's just one 2410 03:34:44,160 --> 03:34:48,720 thing that popped in here, 2411 03:34:47,200 --> 03:34:53,680 » right? And I I'll just bring up I know Colorado openance has expressed um 2412 03:34:51,760 --> 03:34:58,399 maintaining the way the property looks. So, in my head, I believe you'd have to 2413 03:34:56,239 --> 03:35:03,040 separate dog training and disc golf and say dog training's open 3 days a week 2414 03:35:01,920 --> 03:35:07,040 and that's all that's allowed on property and disc golf is open the other 2415 03:35:04,640 --> 03:35:11,200 four days a week. And that way the properties have time to rehab. Um, they 2416 03:35:09,200 --> 03:35:15,920 have concerns about the wetlands being destroyed by the dogs and um so they've 2417 03:35:14,479 --> 03:35:21,359 already said that dog use should be limited on the property. Um, so it's 2418 03:35:20,000 --> 03:35:24,319 I think I think there'd have had to be a balance like that that had to go 2419 03:35:22,479 --> 03:35:28,000 through. I think it I do think it'd be tough to mix both at the same time. 2420 03:35:26,479 --> 03:35:32,239 » And and I do think there was concern from Colorado openlands even about this 2421 03:35:29,680 --> 03:35:35,600 golf uh folks walking kind of through the native grass or the existing grass. 2422 03:35:34,479 --> 03:35:41,359 I don't know if it's native but whatever's been farmed out there. Um you 2423 03:35:38,640 --> 03:35:44,560 know kind of you make your own path when you're playing disc golf, right? You 2424 03:35:42,640 --> 03:35:49,439 know you're not staying on a improved trail. Uh, and there was even concerns 2425 03:35:46,640 --> 03:35:53,359 about, you know, ongoing regular use of folks walking through those those areas 2426 03:35:51,920 --> 03:35:57,200 and impacting the conservation value of the property. I think that's I think I'm 2427 03:35:55,520 --> 03:36:00,960 accurately describing that. Yeah. So, I mean, just, you know, 2428 03:35:59,439 --> 03:36:05,040 it's it's a unique property and it has some incredible assets and is a great 2429 03:36:02,640 --> 03:36:07,840 destination for I'm sure for retriever training. Um, 2430 03:36:06,560 --> 03:36:11,120 » and I think it'd be a great spot for disc golf. 2431 03:36:08,800 --> 03:36:14,160 » I'm just glad we finally got a a yes that we could do something. 2432 03:36:13,120 --> 03:36:16,960 » Yeah. Yeah, and I mean I think that's what we've been working towards is 2433 03:36:15,279 --> 03:36:21,760 getting some concurrence from Colorado Openlands and um you know if if the 2434 03:36:20,319 --> 03:36:26,640 board wants us to to work with the Retriever Training Club and um provide 2435 03:36:24,080 --> 03:36:30,000 them some access through some lease or other permitted activity, you know, we 2436 03:36:28,640 --> 03:36:33,800 can figure that out, too. So, I think that's kind of up to you guys. 2437 03:36:33,920 --> 03:36:45,840 » This is a I'm sorry. Um, this this is a really difficult property and I'm 2438 03:36:41,840 --> 03:36:49,200 kind of concerned that we have yeses, we have yeses, we have 2439 03:36:47,520 --> 03:36:55,840 nos, we have nos, we have yeses, we have nos, and we're in this feedback loop 2440 03:36:53,439 --> 03:36:59,439 where nothing is happening because everything that could happen could be a 2441 03:36:57,680 --> 03:37:05,359 no. even though it's a yes now, but if it's a if it's a no now, it it's it's 2442 03:37:02,000 --> 03:37:10,319 not going to be a yes. And we won't know unless the property is being used. And 2443 03:37:07,920 --> 03:37:15,439 if the property can't be used, maybe the best policy is to just sell it or use it 2444 03:37:13,520 --> 03:37:22,000 for something that is not open to the public. Um I just I I don't want to keep 2445 03:37:19,680 --> 03:37:26,080 going back over and over and over again with this property. And thank you guys 2446 03:37:24,080 --> 03:37:30,319 for communicating with with Oaklands and everything for the past what you say 2447 03:37:27,920 --> 03:37:34,399 since 2013. >> I mean 2448 03:37:32,000 --> 03:37:40,960 » that that's a long time, right? So if it's if it's not being used, 2449 03:37:38,000 --> 03:37:46,640 it needs to be and if through using it we violate or are in danger of violating 2450 03:37:44,800 --> 03:37:49,760 the conservation easement. Well, that answers that that answers the question 2451 03:37:48,239 --> 03:37:55,960 right there. But if we don't use it, we're never going to know whether or not 2452 03:37:51,840 --> 03:37:55,960 those uses are acceptable. 2453 03:37:58,000 --> 03:38:01,000 » Okay. 2454 03:38:01,279 --> 03:38:06,960 » Uh did we you already spoke, right? Couple times. 2455 03:38:06,479 --> 03:38:11,439 » How do you feel? >> I was I was go 2456 03:38:09,680 --> 03:38:16,640 » um just another thing. What supplemental 2457 03:38:13,520 --> 03:38:21,200 clearance do we need from open lands or are we more or less good to go? Do you 2458 03:38:18,960 --> 03:38:25,439 need the direction to take this concept further in the uses or flush those out 2459 03:38:24,319 --> 03:38:28,880 more? >> I think uh we do need to flush out the 2460 03:38:27,439 --> 03:38:32,800 uses of the buildings and stuff a little more. Uh I know we'll have to check, but 2461 03:38:31,600 --> 03:38:37,920 I believe they're going to want to see a a a management plan of the property 2462 03:38:35,920 --> 03:38:41,279 » uh for any areas we allow open for public use. And how are we going to 2463 03:38:39,200 --> 03:38:46,000 manage that? So that would have to be put together first also probably before 2464 03:38:43,200 --> 03:38:50,880 public can use the property. >> Um I guess from my perspective I'm 2465 03:38:48,080 --> 03:38:55,279 supportive of both uses. Obviously we have security concerns and it revolves 2466 03:38:53,120 --> 03:38:59,600 around the building. So I would argue the next step for us would be what are 2467 03:38:58,080 --> 03:39:04,160 our options for the building and what are we replacing most of that. Um I 2468 03:39:02,479 --> 03:39:08,720 think that makes the most sense to proceed in that direction. I hesitate 2469 03:39:06,640 --> 03:39:15,760 opening a pilot program that staff is not on board just yet. Um, but I think 2470 03:39:12,640 --> 03:39:25,040 it's worthwhile to take this to the end of the road and get to a final decision 2471 03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:30,399 on, you know, cost and use um, and what this property is going to look like for 2472 03:39:27,439 --> 03:39:36,800 us. >> Yeah, I'm thank you for speaking too. uh 2473 03:39:33,520 --> 03:39:39,920 all old disc golf too and u together this is super tough. I mean going 2474 03:39:38,479 --> 03:39:43,600 through two rounds of potentially trying to sell this property, salvaging it, 2475 03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:47,600 bringing it back. We're here. So this is a huge uh accomplishment just to even 2476 03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:51,200 have some kind of design in front of us. And I love it. I love the idea of disc 2477 03:39:49,439 --> 03:39:55,920 golf. I love the idea of folks coming here and have some kind of passive 2478 03:39:52,399 --> 03:40:00,319 recreation on this area of town. Um doesn't have anything else really other 2479 03:39:57,279 --> 03:40:04,319 than the golf course. Um, and I really like the idea of trying to 2480 03:40:02,000 --> 03:40:08,560 integrate in uh retriever retriever program. Um, 2481 03:40:06,399 --> 03:40:11,680 and it might not be and it's why we have some locals here, but you know, just if 2482 03:40:10,160 --> 03:40:15,279 it's not just locals, that's okay, too. You know, we have other things that can 2483 03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:20,720 bring people into town and maybe others will grow to use it. Um, I would love to 2484 03:40:18,560 --> 03:40:29,200 try and keep the retriever keep this idea alive here. I do agree with uh 2485 03:40:23,840 --> 03:40:32,000 trustees on it's good point that um well I think several you brought up but 2486 03:40:30,720 --> 03:40:35,439 just looking at these structures first because those always seem to get in the 2487 03:40:33,200 --> 03:40:39,040 way is the parking and the structures and I would love to also keep that arena 2488 03:40:37,040 --> 03:40:44,160 too. So it's deciding which ones are totally useless for a municipality and 2489 03:40:41,359 --> 03:40:49,359 ones that we could um use for other types of recreation from there. I I 2490 03:40:46,800 --> 03:40:55,760 agree with staff. It makes sense to not add the kennel club in until we have 2491 03:40:51,840 --> 03:40:59,600 public access and other programs. Um but I could go the other way too and have 2492 03:40:57,040 --> 03:41:05,040 kennel could do a permit with them. But um bottom line is I don't see a no. I 2493 03:41:03,760 --> 03:41:08,479 think it's just a time frame of trying to wiggle in when we could do the kennel 2494 03:41:07,279 --> 03:41:13,520 club if we wanted to do that the retriever program. So I'm not looking at 2495 03:41:10,479 --> 03:41:19,120 tonight as a no. Just it might not be uh next on the 2496 03:41:16,720 --> 03:41:22,800 next thing we look at to me I think yeah the next thing to get 2497 03:41:21,439 --> 03:41:26,479 back to Sean's point would just be to look at the structures those seems to be 2498 03:41:24,080 --> 03:41:30,239 the security concern um of tampering with and also blocking the view for 2499 03:41:28,239 --> 03:41:35,680 emergency services um once that's figured out then it's 2500 03:41:32,479 --> 03:41:39,920 just an implementation question of um what program we putting in first and I 2501 03:41:38,319 --> 03:41:43,359 agree with May if if there's multiple people saying well they get to use it we 2502 03:41:41,840 --> 03:41:49,439 do too well you can always point back to the easement that says particular 2503 03:41:45,200 --> 03:41:54,399 particularly this is for um retriever training and this is an ideal property 2504 03:41:51,359 --> 03:41:58,880 for that. So I'm for all this. I I think I guess if we needed specific next steps 2505 03:41:56,080 --> 03:42:01,279 it would be to look at the structures. >> Okay. 2506 03:41:59,439 --> 03:42:04,560 » Does that help? >> I have a couple 2507 03:42:02,720 --> 03:42:07,760 » if I could just add one more thing. I took a look at the parking schematics 2508 03:42:06,080 --> 03:42:14,239 and there is one point I wanted to bring up. I I think a hammerhead style 2509 03:42:10,399 --> 03:42:19,439 turnaround is probably negative. Um, having people back up and turn around 2510 03:42:16,239 --> 03:42:23,840 seems like trouble. Um, having some sort of circular turnaround like scheme three 2511 03:42:21,600 --> 03:42:27,359 I think would be more desirable. That's all I've got. 2512 03:42:25,760 --> 03:42:32,479 » Um, I was just going to come back to Trusty A's point about it would be I 2513 03:42:30,720 --> 03:42:36,720 think it would be beneficial to ask first responders if they could utilize 2514 03:42:34,239 --> 03:42:41,600 those buildings um before we tear them down. Perhaps it could be a type of hub. 2515 03:42:39,120 --> 03:42:47,760 I know that the fire district was going to put in a a station hub um on 287 and 2516 03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:51,279 now that is not going to move forward because that they're not building out 2517 03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:55,439 there and so perhaps a hub would be beneficial of some kind. Maybe just 2518 03:42:53,680 --> 03:42:59,359 asking the question before we move forward and then I would be in favor of 2519 03:42:57,279 --> 03:43:03,760 moving forward with putting whatever buildings that are beneficial to public 2520 03:43:01,040 --> 03:43:08,080 use. If that means tearing them down and putting in bathroom structures or an 2521 03:43:06,239 --> 03:43:12,000 office building for recreation, I'm in favor of that. I think we have to put um 2522 03:43:10,640 --> 03:43:17,600 what's beneficial to the entire community at the forefront. I do think 2523 03:43:14,479 --> 03:43:22,720 it is I think that because like the easement says that the the dog training 2524 03:43:20,080 --> 03:43:25,680 should continue. I I still would be open to sectioning that off so they'd have a 2525 03:43:24,080 --> 03:43:30,000 private entrance almost or private sections of the the property if it 2526 03:43:27,439 --> 03:43:33,520 benefited them, benefited the town. And I I would challenge us to say that this 2527 03:43:32,000 --> 03:43:38,319 may not be the right property for disco golf because it's not in the easement 2528 03:43:35,439 --> 03:43:43,120 and it is going to cause the other groups to come in and say, well, why 2529 03:43:39,920 --> 03:43:46,640 can't we do our type of recreation? I would just say let's find a different 2530 03:43:44,800 --> 03:43:50,720 property for dis golf because it is important, but perhaps this isn't it. 2531 03:43:48,399 --> 03:43:56,399 And having that one more thing in here might convolute it for our open lands 2532 03:43:53,520 --> 03:44:00,560 request. and you know when it's not specifically outlined and we can't 2533 03:43:58,800 --> 03:44:04,399 really have a trajectory of how much impact it's going to have on the land I 2534 03:44:02,319 --> 03:44:09,680 would I would recommend that we remove that as from this part of the design and 2535 03:44:07,439 --> 03:44:15,840 um have some onus in looking for additional properties for those guys. 2536 03:44:13,120 --> 03:44:21,600 » Interesting. Okay. Anyone else that wants to look into removing disc golf 2537 03:44:19,040 --> 03:44:27,520 thoughts on that? I would I guess I would ask the question before we 2538 03:44:23,600 --> 03:44:33,120 preemptively remove that. I guess what does that use look like? I mean 2539 03:44:30,080 --> 03:44:38,319 obviously it could be I don't see it as an intense use of the property. Um I see 2540 03:44:36,080 --> 03:44:43,600 it as compatible with retriever training which is the thrust of the property 2541 03:44:39,920 --> 03:44:48,399 along with the agricultural. Um I would hesitate to take that option off 2542 03:44:45,840 --> 03:44:51,279 the table just yet. I guess >> and I think 2543 03:44:49,680 --> 03:44:55,920 Keith, correct me if I'm wrong, but for clarity, the disc golf we have run past 2544 03:44:54,399 --> 03:44:59,120 Colorado openlands. They expressed some concerns about how it be managed. We 2545 03:44:58,160 --> 03:45:03,920 would definitely have to deal with that in our management plan. U but they've 2546 03:45:01,680 --> 03:45:07,520 they've kind of given us the tentative green light for disc golf. 2547 03:45:05,920 --> 03:45:13,279 » Well, I think it's different if it's just there's disc golf amenities out for 2548 03:45:10,560 --> 03:45:16,880 the public to use versus a club of disc golfers using it regularly. Those are 2549 03:45:15,199 --> 03:45:20,720 those are two different things to me. I think our our clear expectation is that 2550 03:45:18,960 --> 03:45:24,640 is a public open disc golf course. There's no there's no club use. I mean 2551 03:45:22,479 --> 03:45:28,399 other than what might be done >> similarly to dog training through some 2552 03:45:26,720 --> 03:45:31,199 reservation system for an event from time to time just like we do all of our 2553 03:45:29,920 --> 03:45:32,960 parks, but it would absolutely be an open public amenity. 2554 03:45:32,479 --> 03:45:36,279 » I see. >> Yeah. 2555 03:45:33,279 --> 03:45:36,279 » Okay. 2556 03:45:36,399 --> 03:45:43,040 » Okay. Sounds like we're largely supportive. Do you have any particular 2557 03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:47,040 questions, staff, or uh clarity you need out of us? No, I I think I'll maybe 2558 03:45:45,840 --> 03:45:51,520 bring this back to the port committee and we'll finish up this conceptual 2559 03:45:48,479 --> 03:45:56,160 design and and try to hammer out the the buildings and the parking. Maybe there's 2560 03:45:53,600 --> 03:45:59,760 a a phased approach where one amenities phase be in the other amenities phase 2561 03:45:58,399 --> 03:46:05,359 and what would that look like if one started before the other. Maybe we can 2562 03:46:01,520 --> 03:46:08,479 look into that and and bring that back. >> Excellent. 2563 03:46:06,800 --> 03:46:11,199 » Yeah, this is great feedback. Uh I think that's really what we were hoping for. 2564 03:46:10,080 --> 03:46:14,960 kind of take the board committee's recommendations, the concept plan, get 2565 03:46:12,880 --> 03:46:18,319 your feedback and understanding and take it and refine it from here. This is 2566 03:46:17,359 --> 03:46:20,880 good. Thank you. >> Okay. Yeah. Thank you. 2567 03:46:19,520 --> 03:46:27,880 » Okay. Thank you. And thank you. And we have all your stuff. Let me get ribbons. 2568 03:46:24,560 --> 03:46:27,880 » Someone has 2569 03:46:38,000 --> 03:46:44,040 those buildings. There you go. 2570 03:46:46,560 --> 03:46:49,760 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 2571 03:46:48,560 --> 03:46:54,160 » Be great to have the fire department out there. They'd be there 24 hours. 2572 03:46:51,199 --> 03:47:00,000 » Yeah. Really? Sure. Built in security. >> Okay. Our final agenda item tonight, 2573 03:46:57,199 --> 03:47:03,520 regular agenda item tonight, is the uh parks update. And this is parks master 2574 03:47:01,760 --> 03:47:07,520 plan update, excuse me. And uh I'll turn this over. Yeah, we have our deputy town 2575 03:47:05,439 --> 03:47:12,399 administrator, Jeremy Olinger. >> Yeah. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Thank 2576 03:47:09,040 --> 03:47:18,560 you. And trustees. Um I before I start I just want to say 2577 03:47:15,279 --> 03:47:21,279 yeah I am very aware it's late. Um I didn't know I didn't hear though. Do we 2578 03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:22,800 extend the meeting? Do we need we already do that? 2579 03:47:22,000 --> 03:47:25,279 » We already did that. >> I was in the restroom too. So I just 2580 03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:29,600 want to make sure that >> um also I appreciate the people that you 2581 03:47:27,680 --> 03:47:33,199 know stuck it out this late for this for this item. So I appreciate that. Um just 2582 03:47:31,920 --> 03:47:37,359 want to give you a parks master plan update. 2583 03:47:34,800 --> 03:47:41,359 um kind of kind of a big picture general kind of the projects we've been working 2584 03:47:38,479 --> 03:47:46,479 on. Some of them you know you're very um um well verssed on or fond of fond of or 2585 03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:49,199 or recently just got completed. So I'm not going to I'm going to try to get a 2586 03:47:47,520 --> 03:47:54,319 condensed version. I had an hourong presentation tonight but seeing how you 2587 03:47:51,840 --> 03:48:01,040 know it's later I'm going to try to get you fit it in about 10 minutes. So, 2588 03:47:58,560 --> 03:48:05,439 um, want to start with the the 2018 MR master plan. Um, was born out of the two 2589 03:48:03,840 --> 03:48:10,080 2016 um, port. Um, through uh, a lot of 2590 03:48:08,640 --> 03:48:15,680 previous boards or a couple previous boards, previous committee work, uh, 2591 03:48:12,319 --> 03:48:20,720 consultant work, um, citizen initiative groups, um, different 2592 03:48:18,560 --> 03:48:25,040 groups we had to put this together. And, and so we didn't have a plan before 2593 03:48:23,120 --> 03:48:28,640 this. We had lots of properties, lots of different ideas, lots of things. The 2594 03:48:26,640 --> 03:48:32,479 reason why I state this early and why it's important when when we developed 2595 03:48:30,640 --> 03:48:37,520 this parks master plan, it gave staff, you know, some direction. It gave staff 2596 03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:40,720 some a path and and so, as you'll see as I work through this, staff has been 2597 03:48:39,199 --> 03:48:45,920 following that. It's great for staff to follow uh bring you bring you um 2598 03:48:43,439 --> 03:48:49,199 projects um let you decide, you know, what you want or don't want, get the 2599 03:48:47,520 --> 03:48:54,960 community involved, um get get our communities involved. Um so in 2018 2600 03:48:52,800 --> 03:49:00,960 we um we kicked this off with we identified four properties um working 2601 03:48:57,120 --> 03:49:06,000 left to right would be Kalval um park on the other side of 287 Richardson Park 2602 03:49:03,439 --> 03:49:10,000 just north of Lovelin Reservoir. Wagner Park as you all know is home to our rec 2603 03:49:07,920 --> 03:49:15,040 center and our and our Fourth of July. And then of course Town Park. Um when we 2604 03:49:12,720 --> 03:49:20,560 started the top three except for Town Park were were just dirt. um town park 2605 03:49:17,680 --> 03:49:25,359 was was was thrown in as a as an anchor park to to the center of town at the 2606 03:49:22,960 --> 03:49:30,640 time and and desperately needed renovation. 2607 03:49:27,600 --> 03:49:34,319 Um so when we started in 2018, just wanted to bring up kind of the top the 2608 03:49:32,640 --> 03:49:38,800 the priorities that we were we were looking at um back then in 5 to 10 years 2609 03:49:37,279 --> 03:49:43,359 is you know people wanted trails and trail connections. uh rec center was 2610 03:49:41,120 --> 03:49:47,920 important uh priority with aquatics, gym, fitness and wellness. Um and and 2611 03:49:45,760 --> 03:49:51,840 that program space they they really wanted they preferred it at Wagner Farm. 2612 03:49:50,160 --> 03:49:56,239 Also the things that we talked about and and were preferred were athletic fields 2613 03:49:54,000 --> 03:50:00,000 and then more more space for special events. 2614 03:49:57,760 --> 03:50:05,840 Um so we identified some priorities. The priority was the rec center, Wagner Farm 2615 03:50:02,479 --> 03:50:11,120 and and and Town Park uh renovation. Um the other two were not as shovel ready 2616 03:50:08,720 --> 03:50:14,239 as as as the Wagner Farm Park and the rec center and and definitely not as 2617 03:50:12,479 --> 03:50:18,160 priority. People wanted rec center. Um so we went through that process. What it 2618 03:50:16,880 --> 03:50:24,319 does is just show you on the left that the what the concept um from the master 2619 03:50:21,439 --> 03:50:29,760 plan was. Um the area in red is is where the rec center's at. Just just over 25 2620 03:50:27,279 --> 03:50:37,760 acres uh developed on that northern side. um completed um just at 30 million 2621 03:50:34,720 --> 03:50:41,760 um in and opened in 2021 and and and going strong. Um people very 2622 03:50:40,319 --> 03:50:47,920 complimentary, very appreciative of that project. Um 2623 03:50:44,800 --> 03:50:52,239 after that was done or during that um we went on and and we were working on plans 2624 03:50:49,760 --> 03:50:57,680 as well for the next project is town park. We put this in two phases. Uh we 2625 03:50:55,439 --> 03:51:02,000 identified the two phases early uh mainly because in the in the second 2626 03:50:59,439 --> 03:51:06,160 phase on the eastern side of the park there's ball fields there that you may 2627 03:51:03,279 --> 03:51:11,040 or may not be aware of um that we still need today. Um we didn't have any to to 2628 03:51:08,880 --> 03:51:16,080 displace ballfield teams and softball teams and people that use that community 2629 03:51:12,319 --> 03:51:20,560 that uses those fields um on the eastern side. We needed to wait until we built 2630 03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:25,760 some more. So we we phased this as a kind of a at the time a lowhanging fruit 2631 03:51:23,199 --> 03:51:30,080 at the at the time to do phase one and get get some more park amenities for for 2632 03:51:27,840 --> 03:51:35,920 the community. So we did the left side of the hash um red line the west side um 2633 03:51:33,840 --> 03:51:40,160 and you'll see some pictures and render uh pictures from that opening. We opened 2634 03:51:38,239 --> 03:51:48,160 that last year as you guys are aware of um under this board 2024 2635 03:51:43,840 --> 03:51:54,479 in September um it's open to the public um we'll come back to phase two or in at 2636 03:51:52,319 --> 03:52:01,600 the end of the chart but phase two as you see uh is it does have design excuse 2637 03:51:58,960 --> 03:52:08,640 me construction documents uh at 100% that's that's ready to go that's ready 2638 03:52:03,120 --> 03:52:12,880 to be bid out um next week if if if um meaning that it's ready to go, not 2639 03:52:11,040 --> 03:52:16,080 meaning that it's ready to to be built. Obviously, I talked about the the 2640 03:52:14,160 --> 03:52:21,520 baseball fields, but you'll see that, you know, the plan there is um the open 2641 03:52:19,439 --> 03:52:27,199 fields. There is a a band show or an auditorium um amphitheater type um in in 2642 03:52:25,279 --> 03:52:31,920 the south southern part and then more veterans memorial um designed in there 2643 03:52:29,920 --> 03:52:39,439 as well as some more open field open areas for the community and a kind of a 2644 03:52:34,720 --> 03:52:42,600 bathroom type uh picnic area um as part of that. 2645 03:52:43,600 --> 03:52:50,640 We moved on part of the the third third area is Richardson. We uh MVP Park uh 2646 03:52:48,800 --> 03:52:55,600 Mountain Vista is what what that stands for. So we moved to that. We did that. 2647 03:52:53,840 --> 03:53:00,080 We did these plans kind of in parallel. Once the rec center got done, we picked 2648 03:52:57,359 --> 03:53:05,680 up Richardson um and Town Park. Did them in parallel. Um these are construction 2649 03:53:03,199 --> 03:53:09,680 documents as well. Ready. This area is just north of Lovelin Reservoir. Um 2650 03:53:08,319 --> 03:53:14,960 you'll see some renderings there or some concepts uh kind pictures on the side of 2651 03:53:12,640 --> 03:53:22,160 what that what that is in it could could be intended to look like. Um and then 2652 03:53:18,080 --> 03:53:25,920 Richardson um kind of the the the outlay plan. This could be phased. Uh this 2653 03:53:23,840 --> 03:53:31,439 could be done at once just depending on on the plan moving forward. But this 2654 03:53:28,319 --> 03:53:38,160 this is 100% um CDs are done and the aquatics are at 50%. for this project. 2655 03:53:36,239 --> 03:53:41,199 Um while we were doing these things, you know, like we talked about and you heard 2656 03:53:39,840 --> 03:53:45,040 earlier tonight with some projects that come in and projects that are 2657 03:53:42,720 --> 03:53:49,600 approached, um people got really excited with the rec center getting done. Um 2658 03:53:47,760 --> 03:53:54,239 wanted more the appetite. They were hungry. They were thirsty. They So this 2659 03:53:51,920 --> 03:53:58,960 was a project that um is part of Richardson property, part of MVP MVP 2660 03:53:57,040 --> 03:54:03,680 park design. Still part of the master plan. Um, but they wanted again the 2661 03:54:01,920 --> 03:54:06,560 tournament a couple years ago that kept getting thrown out as lowhanging fruit. 2662 03:54:05,359 --> 03:54:10,239 Is there something we can do for a couple million bucks to give a the 2663 03:54:08,399 --> 03:54:14,080 public amenity and this was one of them chosen? Um, so that's why it got kind of 2664 03:54:12,319 --> 03:54:17,680 accelerated as you also heard tonight. Why why things get celebrated, why 2665 03:54:16,399 --> 03:54:24,080 things get chosen, why things get shelved. The the southern portion um as 2666 03:54:21,040 --> 03:54:29,279 you go around the lake of the bike park um u was chosen to um be that lowhanging 2667 03:54:27,760 --> 03:54:36,239 fruit. So, we got this project done opened um I think it's been open for 2 2668 03:54:31,760 --> 03:54:40,399 years now uh just at 2.2 million um to do this just a little over 20 acres and 2669 03:54:38,640 --> 03:54:46,319 there's some finished pictures of the the product. All these so far been out 2670 03:54:43,520 --> 03:54:51,840 of that master plan uh staff just working through it. Um 2671 03:54:48,800 --> 03:54:57,600 this is the last um last uh property to to that uh master 2672 03:54:55,040 --> 03:55:03,520 plan. This is Canal Park. It's on the other side of 287. Um on the other side 2673 03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:08,399 of Riches Park. Um this is the southern piece of of 2674 03:55:06,399 --> 03:55:12,479 the shared with the developer. This has been master plan that's still in 2675 03:55:09,920 --> 03:55:17,439 concept. That's still at the 2018 concept. Um there hasn't been any plans 2676 03:55:15,040 --> 03:55:25,760 or any discussions of anything started on that. Um so that's still in the 2018 2677 03:55:20,399 --> 03:55:30,160 master plan concept um stage. So we started completing things, started 2678 03:55:27,600 --> 03:55:36,880 getting excited. Um started looking around. We going we still in the master 2679 03:55:31,840 --> 03:55:40,880 plan. Um the arburum came about. Um we real successful with the bike park, real 2680 03:55:38,880 --> 03:55:46,720 successful with the the rec center, real successful with the town park. Um once 2681 03:55:43,279 --> 03:55:52,880 we moved, we felt that uh developing the southern portion of the Wagner Farm Park 2682 03:55:49,359 --> 03:55:57,520 and completing that um and completing the master plan for for this property. 2683 03:55:55,600 --> 03:56:03,040 That's how this came up. This this as you guys are aware um the southern part 2684 03:56:00,640 --> 03:56:08,399 where the the red kind of the red I don't know Tetris pieces at is is the 2685 03:56:04,960 --> 03:56:13,439 where the arburum currently we're at 90% construction drawings. We we intend to 2686 03:56:10,720 --> 03:56:18,239 finish up um in November and bring that to you at 100% ready to you know 2687 03:56:16,560 --> 03:56:23,600 continue if we'd like uh into construction or out to bid as they as we 2688 03:56:20,560 --> 03:56:29,359 say. Um and and and that's going along real well. So that that'll be something 2689 03:56:26,479 --> 03:56:34,399 we'll talk about or discuss. That's come to shortly. 2690 03:56:32,000 --> 03:56:38,640 Then also we had some along the ways we we as staff goes through the master plan 2691 03:56:36,640 --> 03:56:43,760 and they kind of steer that bus and continue um their their focus is on that 2692 03:56:41,199 --> 03:56:48,160 along the way even in tonight we you get added park projects for whatever reason 2693 03:56:46,319 --> 03:56:53,920 organizations you know citizen initiative groups people that just care 2694 03:56:50,319 --> 03:56:56,880 a couple people multiple people um to come to you and say hey I want to do 2695 03:56:55,199 --> 03:57:00,640 this and you heard that earlier tonight. So in the last 3 years, you know, we 2696 03:56:59,120 --> 03:57:05,920 followed that master plan, but here's one to show also to update that kind of 2697 03:57:03,359 --> 03:57:10,160 the challenges, right, with dollars is is is what happens and and we make those 2698 03:57:08,399 --> 03:57:13,920 decisions and and they're, you know, good good, bad, or indifferent. But so I 2699 03:57:12,560 --> 03:57:18,800 just want to show you some added park projects. So a low hanging fruit, which 2700 03:57:16,720 --> 03:57:22,479 is great. uh you know the lowest probably the of the fruit um almost on 2701 03:57:21,040 --> 03:57:26,880 the ground as far as you know when you talk about money um compared to the 2702 03:57:24,399 --> 03:57:31,359 other projects was the Pioneer Park project. Really great project updated 2703 03:57:28,960 --> 03:57:35,040 that community garden over there. Um you guys approved that just under you know 2704 03:57:33,520 --> 03:57:40,960 we just I think we spent just under 100,000 with our time and our staff uh 2705 03:57:37,920 --> 03:57:46,800 involved in that. On the right is a concept plan for Robert's Park, Roberts 2706 03:57:44,800 --> 03:57:51,520 Lake Park. It's on the east side. It's an infield project. Um it's just at a 2707 03:57:49,520 --> 03:57:56,319 design level right now, design concept. Um finished um probably three years ago 2708 03:57:54,560 --> 03:58:00,080 and shelved. Um no interest yet to to revive that, 2709 03:57:58,720 --> 03:58:06,080 but I just want to show you that that concept is done for for Robert's Lake on 2710 03:58:02,800 --> 03:58:10,960 the north side. Um so you're aware that we finished that. another uh project 2711 03:58:09,279 --> 03:58:16,239 that that spawned from, you know, closed in the town park and the and the kind of 2712 03:58:13,199 --> 03:58:20,399 the used tennis courts uh transitioned into pickle ball at Town Park. You know, 2713 03:58:18,880 --> 03:58:24,800 this is one of those examples of a group coming in and saying, "Hey, you know, 2714 03:58:22,319 --> 03:58:29,520 sports popular. We'd like a place to go. Where can we go?" Um we had a spot at 2715 03:58:27,120 --> 03:58:32,960 Wagner that, you know, we chose and selected and and we were able to with 2716 03:58:31,600 --> 03:58:36,720 your guys' support and the community support and your help uh to decide the 2717 03:58:35,279 --> 03:58:41,279 eight eight new courts over there. and that's that's going well and that's a 2718 03:58:38,479 --> 03:58:44,479 that's a great project. Um and and there's eight courts over there 2719 03:58:42,560 --> 03:58:50,160 with shelters and and just on the south side of the basketball courts over 2720 03:58:45,920 --> 03:58:56,160 there. Um the next one uh just recently the outdoor pool uh at the rec center. 2721 03:58:53,600 --> 03:58:59,920 Um again just 2722 03:58:58,239 --> 03:59:04,479 importance of an outdoor pool. the the the the old pool or the the pool that 2723 03:59:02,319 --> 03:59:08,720 the town park, the outdoor pool became old, I should say. 2724 03:59:06,720 --> 03:59:14,000 Um so that was decommissioned to do the renovation at the town park. Uh we knew 2725 03:59:11,040 --> 03:59:19,520 about that. We didn't want to duplicate amenities. We had aquatics indoor at the 2726 03:59:17,920 --> 03:59:22,479 um rec center that we just completed. We developed a splash pad over at the town 2727 03:59:21,040 --> 03:59:27,279 park as part of that design and that input um at the time from from our comm 2728 03:59:25,920 --> 03:59:34,160 committees and boards and things like that. Um so what came about um through 2729 03:59:30,399 --> 03:59:38,160 port um in the community is is is um those voices um to start and look at 2730 03:59:36,720 --> 03:59:43,760 uh building an outdoor pool with the rec center. So this as you can see is is 2731 03:59:42,000 --> 03:59:47,359 some designs and and you guys worked this board has worked through those 2732 03:59:45,439 --> 03:59:52,160 currently that will come in a proposal and you'll see in the last one of the 2733 03:59:49,120 --> 03:59:56,479 last slides here um we'll bring you a proposal um in September after this 2734 03:59:54,800 --> 04:00:00,880 meeting and you'll have an opportunity to you know decide if you want to move 2735 03:59:58,960 --> 04:00:05,040 forward with that that proposal just just to begin design to give you an idea 2736 04:00:02,800 --> 04:00:08,080 was just at 650,000. So that'll get us through design, get us 2737 04:00:06,720 --> 04:00:12,080 construction plans. That's the next step. Uh as far as our process and you 2738 04:00:10,479 --> 04:00:19,840 saw some of that Keith explained some of that through the um 2739 04:00:15,359 --> 04:00:23,600 just house no um no no plan um as as part of that process. So we just want to 2740 04:00:21,120 --> 04:00:30,000 make sure we we commit to that in the next in uh next meeting possibly. So 2741 04:00:27,600 --> 04:00:35,359 these are a couple other ones and uh that you heard tonight. Chiskowski, you 2742 04:00:32,319 --> 04:00:39,120 just heard um new farm you heard earlier as well. And then I put this other one 2743 04:00:37,359 --> 04:00:42,160 on here just this recently. You don't know much about it probably unless you 2744 04:00:40,560 --> 04:00:48,479 got some emails. Hasn't been in a meeting yet. I put this up here because 2745 04:00:45,040 --> 04:00:52,479 one it it identifies another sport that you know like a disc golf and and uh 2746 04:00:51,120 --> 04:00:57,520 pickle ball and things like that. So you're used to those you know and and 2747 04:00:54,160 --> 04:01:01,520 and working through those. Also it it uh suggests potentially some properties. 2748 04:00:59,920 --> 04:01:06,080 One of them's conval which is in our master plan. So you hear about that. And 2749 04:01:03,680 --> 04:01:10,640 then lately um I think last week I think it was last Wednesday um they the 2750 04:01:08,479 --> 04:01:14,720 presentation was made at the the port level and I believe it's wellreceived 2751 04:01:12,960 --> 04:01:18,399 enough that they suggested that they come to you all. So this will be coming 2752 04:01:16,960 --> 04:01:22,880 to you just so you're aware. You don't we don't need to pick paint colors and 2753 04:01:20,560 --> 04:01:25,520 things tonight and roof shingles. But it just let I'm just saying hey I'm going 2754 04:01:24,080 --> 04:01:29,279 to throw it on here so you guys are aware of the full picture at this point 2755 04:01:27,199 --> 04:01:32,800 and it'll be coming to you September. um you guys can or maybe October depending 2756 04:01:31,040 --> 04:01:36,560 on how the meetings lay out, but it'll be coming to the soon and you guys can 2757 04:01:34,880 --> 04:01:40,479 work through that. >> One, just one quick question. The upper 2758 04:01:38,560 --> 04:01:41,920 right hand square, I can't tell where that is. 2759 04:01:40,960 --> 04:01:44,399 » Upper right hand, >> that's a property we don't currently 2760 04:01:43,520 --> 04:01:48,479 own, >> uh but that the project proponent 2761 04:01:46,560 --> 04:01:51,279 » uh said might be a great spot. >> So, 2762 04:01:49,840 --> 04:01:53,199 » we're not disclosing where it is right now. 2763 04:01:51,600 --> 04:01:57,359 » Yeah. No, it's fine. It's the property south of uh Heritage Ridge. It's called 2764 04:01:55,199 --> 04:02:01,120 the Wilson Farm. Uh we do have a portion of that farm under contract, but not the 2765 04:01:59,199 --> 04:02:04,399 entire thing. Okay. So, um >> didn't we just buy that? 2766 04:02:02,319 --> 04:02:06,960 » Uh we haven't closed. There's still, you know, some due diligence work. There's 2767 04:02:05,680 --> 04:02:10,000 annexation work that has to be done. There's a lot of things that have to 2768 04:02:08,399 --> 04:02:13,840 happened before we can close on the portion that we intend to buy. Um but we 2769 04:02:12,720 --> 04:02:17,600 are under contract. >> Thank you. 2770 04:02:14,239 --> 04:02:20,880 » The the board approved that. >> Uh trusty, I think, has a question. 2771 04:02:19,439 --> 04:02:26,800 » Yeah. Just because it came out tonight. Um so that you guys are aware part of 2772 04:02:22,479 --> 04:02:34,479 the presentation on the the conval golf um aspect was that that sort of 2773 04:02:30,479 --> 04:02:41,040 strip below the the outlined golf holes was um 30,000 foot view of a possible 2774 04:02:38,560 --> 04:02:43,760 disc golf course as well and I only bring that up because it it came up 2775 04:02:42,640 --> 04:02:47,359 earlier. >> Yeah. The the project proponent met with 2776 04:02:45,439 --> 04:02:50,479 me about this park and and I don't want to get bogged down in this one because 2777 04:02:48,479 --> 04:02:55,520 this was a idea brought to us by a resident who's also a golf pro. Um, and 2778 04:02:53,439 --> 04:03:01,120 I think it's a great it's a great idea I think for the canal park or for anything 2779 04:02:58,160 --> 04:03:05,920 else. But the idea of a golf park, community facility, trails, other 2780 04:03:03,760 --> 04:03:09,920 non-golf amenities, but also really, you know, learning focused facility, it's a 2781 04:03:07,920 --> 04:03:13,279 it's a neat idea and the port committee did recommend uh that they present that 2782 04:03:12,000 --> 04:03:17,399 to you. So, we are going to bring that to you in the next couple months. 2783 04:03:14,399 --> 04:03:17,399 » Cool. 2784 04:03:17,760 --> 04:03:24,319 So then last slide is just putting it all together. Um from the top down 2785 04:03:22,000 --> 04:03:28,800 you'll see that the progression the the top is there's the master plans. Uh as 2786 04:03:27,279 --> 04:03:31,840 you'll see staff has been following the master plan. The green is what's 2787 04:03:30,080 --> 04:03:36,720 completed. Um and I what I just ran through and and 2788 04:03:34,160 --> 04:03:39,840 and what you'll see is the projects um the current status and then the total 2789 04:03:38,399 --> 04:03:43,520 project cost whether it's been completed or it's been estimated. As we move 2790 04:03:42,160 --> 04:03:48,880 through the top where it's, you know, the master plan, you'll see the yellow. 2791 04:03:45,840 --> 04:03:53,840 The next three, those are ones that we are uh finishing up on construction 2792 04:03:51,600 --> 04:03:58,479 documents and and we spent the time and and you guys invested the money in those 2793 04:03:56,000 --> 04:04:02,720 um to get those ready for, you know, whenever it is you decide um through 2794 04:04:00,720 --> 04:04:08,319 this process. But I just want to say that as we work through we're you can 2795 04:04:04,880 --> 04:04:13,199 see we're either completed or we're uh and open to the public or we have three 2796 04:04:10,399 --> 04:04:18,720 ready to go as we you know finish out that master plan. Um so then you you 2797 04:04:16,880 --> 04:04:22,239 drop down to the next ones and with the added park projects that come in kind of 2798 04:04:20,560 --> 04:04:26,160 through you know the meetings and different deals for whatever reason and 2799 04:04:23,920 --> 04:04:31,359 and we completed some of those. That's that Pioneer Park uh community uh garden 2800 04:04:29,439 --> 04:04:34,720 um the pickle ball courts. Um, I put Farmstead play program. That's not our 2801 04:04:32,800 --> 04:04:39,520 our playground. Excuse me. Talking a little fast. Sorry. Um, I put that in 2802 04:04:37,520 --> 04:04:44,000 there in Talics. It's not our project, but you did invest in it and I wanted to 2803 04:04:41,439 --> 04:04:47,120 show that um, show you that you you know the the the dollars that went out and 2804 04:04:45,520 --> 04:04:51,520 and great investment there. But I just wanted to show that as well as that is a 2805 04:04:48,399 --> 04:04:56,319 part um part of our your park uh update for tonight. Just just to be aware of 2806 04:04:53,600 --> 04:05:01,920 that the big picture. Um the orange the outdoor pool rec center like I like I 2807 04:04:59,120 --> 04:05:08,560 suggested a proposal for design and construction uh document services 2808 04:05:04,960 --> 04:05:12,880 uh will be presented uh you know in the next meeting or so through consent. Um 2809 04:05:10,640 --> 04:05:16,640 you guys have approved us to to get you that proposal. If we move forward 2810 04:05:15,199 --> 04:05:21,359 that'll be your opportunity at that time. But that that proposal is coming 2811 04:05:18,160 --> 04:05:25,840 at 6:50 and then you heard from New Park Farm tonight. I assumed we were going to 2812 04:05:23,279 --> 04:05:31,439 move forward with the design. Um so that went orange there. So those are in 2813 04:05:27,600 --> 04:05:38,640 design. Um different stages of of moving. Um the next three just as as as 2814 04:05:37,120 --> 04:05:42,239 Keith showed you before, the design concept has been completed. He's you 2815 04:05:40,800 --> 04:05:46,640 know we're going to move to next steps um and working with the open lands and 2816 04:05:44,319 --> 04:05:51,920 and tweaking some things from that. Uh Roberts Lake Park is still shelved uh 2817 04:05:49,520 --> 04:05:55,600 for now until further notice. And then Bertha Golf Park, like I suggested, is 2818 04:05:54,239 --> 04:05:59,439 on here and it's presented to you sometime this in the next couple months. 2819 04:05:57,600 --> 04:06:04,000 Then what I did at the at the bottom and under the blue was just took everything 2820 04:06:01,359 --> 04:06:08,239 that's been completed out so you can kind of for clarity just kind of see 2821 04:06:05,760 --> 04:06:11,359 what you're working with that we have um in the bottom if you if you don't want 2822 04:06:09,840 --> 04:06:14,800 to move back and forth along the grid and things like that. I just kind of I 2823 04:06:13,520 --> 04:06:18,399 don't know cleared it up in no particular order. I just kind of threw 2824 04:06:16,239 --> 04:06:22,479 this stuff from the top to the bottom so they're not prioritized in any other 2825 04:06:20,080 --> 04:06:29,040 way. Um, that's my uh presentation for this now 2826 04:06:26,640 --> 04:06:33,279 and Chris Farley, he's gonna hopefully tag team on this with me and and let you 2827 04:06:31,359 --> 04:06:38,319 know what what we kind of the direction and the expectation I guess. 2828 04:06:35,920 --> 04:06:41,040 » Yeah. Um, you know, part of part of our intention when we originally scheduled 2829 04:06:39,600 --> 04:06:43,840 this was just to get all these projects in front of you. We have a lot of 2830 04:06:42,479 --> 04:06:49,520 competing priorities and you've heard that tonight. Juscowski, disc golf, dog 2831 04:06:46,800 --> 04:06:53,840 training, uh, new farm, amphitheater, um, you know, outdoor pools. We have a 2832 04:06:52,160 --> 04:06:57,120 lot of competing priorities and we have a limited amount of funding, right? 2833 04:06:55,199 --> 04:07:00,800 We're fortunate. The town is is healthy financially and I've said this before. 2834 04:06:59,040 --> 04:07:03,439 You probably, you hopefully recall me saying this lots of times. We're not 2835 04:07:02,080 --> 04:07:06,560 broke. We just have to decide where to spend our money. 2836 04:07:04,560 --> 04:07:14,399 » Um, we cannot build all of these things at once. And so, um, I think as as these 2837 04:07:11,840 --> 04:07:17,760 projects come before us, some driven by the original 2018 master plan, that's 2838 04:07:16,239 --> 04:07:21,680 where we've focused most of our time and attention as staff, others driven by, 2839 04:07:20,080 --> 04:07:27,520 you know, motivated user groups and other other folks who who are excited to 2840 04:07:24,239 --> 04:07:32,880 see new amenities built. Um, we need direction from you about where you want 2841 04:07:29,120 --> 04:07:38,880 us to focus. Um, you know, when we look at the the list at the bottom of the 2842 04:07:35,760 --> 04:07:43,680 page, um, that could be, uh, for clarity, um, Jeremy has the number 30 to 2843 04:07:41,279 --> 04:07:46,640 40 million for Richardson. That we don't believe that's the total cost of the 2844 04:07:45,120 --> 04:07:51,359 project. We believe that's a portion of the project. Um, the original cost 2845 04:07:49,199 --> 04:07:56,880 estimate we had done by a third party construction firm for that entire park 2846 04:07:54,479 --> 04:08:02,560 uh, was was upwards of $70 million. And so, we can't afford a $70 million park. 2847 04:07:59,840 --> 04:08:07,199 I can I can be confident of that today. Um we had proposed doing that in a 2848 04:08:04,800 --> 04:08:11,199 phased fashion starting with ball fields at the north and then kind of working 2849 04:08:08,560 --> 04:08:15,279 south to the aquatics uh center you know maybe in 10 years depending on kind of 2850 04:08:12,720 --> 04:08:18,960 how funding lays out. That's actually kind of what the outdoor pool 2851 04:08:16,800 --> 04:08:22,560 conversation I think was like hey we need an outdoor pool. This is a neat 2852 04:08:21,040 --> 04:08:26,239 pool at Richardson but if we can't get this done you know for 10 years that's 2853 04:08:24,880 --> 04:08:31,600 that's not going to work. We got to get something done sooner. So that's why we 2854 04:08:27,840 --> 04:08:36,239 pivoted to this um Wagner Farm Park concept. You know, there are there are 2855 04:08:34,239 --> 04:08:39,760 creative funding strategies. Uh there's financing. There's all kinds of things 2856 04:08:37,600 --> 04:08:43,680 that could occur, but a lot of that is driven by what are the priorities that 2857 04:08:41,520 --> 04:08:47,600 the town board sees. Uh we can certainly give you what we think are the best 2858 04:08:44,880 --> 04:08:51,199 priorities as staff. Um the poor committee has weighed in on multiple 2859 04:08:48,960 --> 04:08:56,239 occasions on a lot of of these issues. And so, um, you know, 2860 04:08:54,239 --> 04:08:59,359 we're hoping, and it doesn't have to happen tonight, right? There's no 2861 04:08:58,239 --> 04:09:03,840 there's no rush. You're not going to decide to spend $70 million tonight, 2862 04:09:01,439 --> 04:09:07,439 right? Um, but we want to start this conversation because I think what's 2863 04:09:05,760 --> 04:09:12,960 happening is we had this really defined parks master plan and we started working 2864 04:09:10,080 --> 04:09:16,319 that and it's great. Um, the rec center is a result of that. Town park is a 2865 04:09:15,120 --> 04:09:20,239 result of that. The bike park is a result of that. 2866 04:09:17,840 --> 04:09:23,120 Um, we started Richardson with the intent that that was the next phase of 2867 04:09:21,520 --> 04:09:27,680 the parks master plan. And you know, we've had a lot of these uh issues and 2868 04:09:25,120 --> 04:09:32,640 ideas come up as over the last five years. We have a lot of awesome ideas, 2869 04:09:30,319 --> 04:09:38,239 but we've got to zero in on what do we want to do as a community first so that 2870 04:09:34,960 --> 04:09:41,439 we can we can get through this list, right? We can't focus on everything. If 2871 04:09:40,239 --> 04:09:45,920 you focus on everything, you focus on nothing, right? And that's a cliche. Um, 2872 04:09:44,640 --> 04:09:49,600 so we got to say, what are we getting done first? what what's the biggest bang 2873 04:09:47,760 --> 04:09:54,319 for the buck? What's the highest need? Um and where do we want to focus our 2874 04:09:51,199 --> 04:10:00,000 money first? We may be able to be we may be financially capable of doing two or 2875 04:09:56,399 --> 04:10:04,000 three things at once. Um and again, I think from my perspective, 2876 04:10:02,800 --> 04:10:08,319 we want to start that conversation with you. We want to start you thinking 2877 04:10:05,520 --> 04:10:12,080 about, you know, maybe if money wasn't an object, what's the number one 2878 04:10:09,600 --> 04:10:17,359 priority? Where do we focus there? Right? Um and and then we figure out how 2879 04:10:15,040 --> 04:10:22,399 to get to that place. I think that's a great place to start. Um 2880 04:10:20,640 --> 04:10:26,399 if we if we work the other direction and say, "Well, hey, we have x amount of 2881 04:10:24,000 --> 04:10:33,439 money and and let's do what we can afford, I think we pigeon hole ourselves 2882 04:10:28,560 --> 04:10:37,359 into um maybe doing I think we'll get some great projects. We have some 2883 04:10:34,640 --> 04:10:41,439 awesome projects on the list and I I hope that you and the community also 2884 04:10:39,920 --> 04:10:46,960 believes that we can deliver great parks projects like we have with the rec 2885 04:10:42,560 --> 04:10:50,479 center, town park and others. Um but my suggestion would be let's not pigeon 2886 04:10:48,640 --> 04:10:54,560 hole ourselves by restricting us by funding. Let's say what is the highest 2887 04:10:52,399 --> 04:10:57,840 need? What do we want to get done first? And let's prioritize that and let's 2888 04:10:56,080 --> 04:11:02,239 figure out how to do it and then let's work down the list from there. 2889 04:11:00,640 --> 04:11:07,040 Again, you extend the meeting till 10:30. So, I will uh point out it's 2890 04:11:04,399 --> 04:11:10,080 about 10:27 right now. Um I'm sure everybody's getting tired. This isn't 2891 04:11:08,560 --> 04:11:14,560 the best decision-making time of the day. Um but I think it's important that 2892 04:11:12,880 --> 04:11:18,319 we hear public feedback if that's okay with the board. Um and maybe you guys 2893 04:11:17,279 --> 04:11:24,000 start think about that. >> So, I guess we put out our our our 2894 04:11:22,000 --> 04:11:28,880 um priorities here already. We've had multiple iterations with outdoor pool 2895 04:11:26,560 --> 04:11:32,239 with the arburitum. So, this is back in front of us and you're asking for 2896 04:11:30,239 --> 04:11:37,279 priorities again, but we just you're you're adding Richardson in here. 2897 04:11:34,880 --> 04:11:39,920 » No, I Richardson's been in from the beginning, right? That was in the 2018 2898 04:11:38,880 --> 04:11:42,800 parks master plan, >> right? 2899 04:11:40,319 --> 04:11:47,840 » Um I'm I'm concerned about New Farm Park. I'm concerned about um Richardson. 2900 04:11:45,439 --> 04:11:51,359 I'm concerned about Conneal. I'm concerned about all of those. I think 2901 04:11:49,199 --> 04:11:55,279 practically speaking, you know, from a town staff perspective, 2902 04:11:53,760 --> 04:11:59,359 we don't have a dog in the fight, right? I mean that our I live here. I have my 2903 04:11:58,000 --> 04:12:05,040 own personal views about what I'd love to see. Um from a staff perspective, I 2904 04:12:02,479 --> 04:12:08,960 think we have an idea of of what the priority needs are. 2905 04:12:06,800 --> 04:12:12,160 » Um you know, what do we need for our current programming? What do we need for 2906 04:12:10,319 --> 04:12:15,120 future programming? I think we also have an idea of what the community wants are 2907 04:12:13,600 --> 04:12:18,319 based on the surveys that we've done and the feedback that we've received in 2908 04:12:16,399 --> 04:12:22,080 these public meetings. We have to try and balance all of that. And 2909 04:12:19,760 --> 04:12:24,080 » yeah, and I'm sorry, I I phrase that wrong. Richardson is important. You guys 2910 04:12:23,279 --> 04:12:28,239 are doing a great job. >> It is. I I I'm I'm concerned is the 2911 04:12:26,640 --> 04:12:33,279 wrong word. I'm a little curious though because we've gone through pool seems to 2912 04:12:31,279 --> 04:12:37,199 be the next and then the outer >> and and I will say I think part of my 2913 04:12:34,960 --> 04:12:40,960 concern as the town administrator um part of what's driving this is that we 2914 04:12:39,120 --> 04:12:44,319 have some very big ticket items in front of us and I want to confirm that we're 2915 04:12:43,040 --> 04:12:47,439 spending the money on the things that you want and so we have talked about 2916 04:12:46,000 --> 04:12:51,600 those things but we haven't talked about them in the context of all of the things 2917 04:12:49,680 --> 04:12:55,520 in front of us. That's why I wanted to bring this to you because the arburedom 2918 04:12:53,600 --> 04:13:00,159 could be $10 million. The outdoor pool could be 10 million plus. Um new farm, 2919 04:12:58,720 --> 04:13:05,279 who knows? I mean, if we're talking about amphitheaters and music venues, 2920 04:13:02,000 --> 04:13:08,960 that could be 10 million plus. Um these aren't like the one and two million 2921 04:13:06,880 --> 04:13:12,880 dollar um lowhanging fruit projects. And I 2922 04:13:11,199 --> 04:13:17,359 think what we're staring at are big ticket items. And there's several of 2923 04:13:15,199 --> 04:13:20,479 them. We just want to make sure that as we move forward in the next two or three 2924 04:13:18,720 --> 04:13:24,000 years and we start to spend tens of millions of dollars on parks if that's 2925 04:13:21,920 --> 04:13:27,199 the board's desire that we're doing that all and I'm starting to have some 2926 04:13:25,520 --> 04:13:30,159 concerns that I'm not sure I know what your priorities are and I don't mean 2927 04:13:28,319 --> 04:13:32,640 that in a negative way. It's just we've talked about a lot of things and I think 2928 04:13:31,439 --> 04:13:33,600 we're all excited about all these projects. 2929 04:13:33,199 --> 04:13:35,359 » Yeah. Yeah. >> And I just want to make sure we're doing 2930 04:13:34,640 --> 04:13:38,720 the right thing >> because this came before us with a 2931 04:13:37,120 --> 04:13:42,399 really good job. You guys did a good presentation on Richardson with kind of 2932 04:13:40,960 --> 04:13:45,439 the funding that could be done at the time. This is why we all kind of got a 2933 04:13:44,159 --> 04:13:49,920 little cold feet. Yeah. >> And then that's when we decided to kind 2934 04:13:47,439 --> 04:13:55,680 of backtrack and just focus on put the pause and stuff, focus on the arburetum 2935 04:13:52,560 --> 04:13:58,720 and an outdoor pool or some kind of pool, right? And then that's when we 2936 04:13:57,120 --> 04:13:59,600 decided to do a survey to see where we stand. 2937 04:13:59,199 --> 04:14:02,720 » Yep. >> So, we did already look at Richard and 2938 04:14:01,120 --> 04:14:06,080 stuff like that. This just is coming to us back, but you want everything. 2939 04:14:04,960 --> 04:14:09,120 » I just want you to see it all in context. Okay. 2940 04:14:06,960 --> 04:14:12,560 » Um so that so you know, look, we've got a long list of stuff. some things that 2941 04:14:11,279 --> 04:14:17,279 would have been on the books for a while, some things that are more recent. 2942 04:14:15,040 --> 04:14:20,159 Um, some things that are very challenging to pull off like Jessowski, 2943 04:14:19,120 --> 04:14:23,279 some things that are much more lowhanging fruit, easy, and we could 2944 04:14:21,760 --> 04:14:26,960 knock out pretty quick. You know, there's just a lot in front of us. And I 2945 04:14:25,439 --> 04:14:30,000 think part of what came out of the discussion, at least from my 2946 04:14:28,720 --> 04:14:33,199 perspective, part of what came out of the discussion when we talked about 2947 04:14:31,199 --> 04:14:37,840 Richardson was we need to look at the port plan again, right? We've you could 2948 04:14:36,239 --> 04:14:42,560 see I mean out of the out of the four parks that were in the 2018 master plan 2949 04:14:40,080 --> 04:14:46,880 we've done two right and we've got a third one designed. So but we've also 2950 04:14:44,560 --> 04:14:50,960 added three or four more projects to the list. 2951 04:14:48,479 --> 04:14:55,600 So for me this is rather than go through a full new parks and open space master 2952 04:14:53,680 --> 04:14:58,960 plan. If that's what you guys want to do we could do that but that will delay 2953 04:14:56,800 --> 04:15:03,040 things a lot. I just wanted to put it all in context for you so that you could 2954 04:15:00,479 --> 04:15:07,040 see it and say these are the things we think are most important. Okay. Um and 2955 04:15:05,600 --> 04:15:10,800 and if the answer is, look, we already told you to do the outdoor pool at the 2956 04:15:08,159 --> 04:15:13,600 Wag at Wagner and the Arbreedom and we budgeted money to construct the 2957 04:15:11,920 --> 04:15:17,040 Arbreedom this year, by the way. >> Um that's fine with us. We just want to 2958 04:15:15,840 --> 04:15:21,120 make sure we're on the same page. >> Okay. So, this is like a final check. 2959 04:15:19,359 --> 04:15:24,239 » That's kind of how I feel. This is a this is a check-in and confirm that 2960 04:15:22,720 --> 04:15:27,680 we're heading in the right direction as we're preparing to spend millions of 2961 04:15:26,319 --> 04:15:31,199 dollars on park amenities in the next few years. 2962 04:15:28,319 --> 04:15:34,640 » Okay, that's fair. And so we're both on the same page that the 30 2963 04:15:33,120 --> 04:15:39,279 to 40 million didn't seem accurate. In my head, it was about 7 to 84 million. 2964 04:15:36,800 --> 04:15:41,680 It was said. So you're saying 40 is probably 2965 04:15:40,080 --> 04:15:45,199 » 40 is probably ball fields and an aquatics facility. 2966 04:15:43,040 --> 04:15:51,920 » Um it's not the community lawn. It's not the uh it's not the full ball field 2967 04:15:48,000 --> 04:15:57,439 complex. It's a portion of um it's an aquatics facility. Uh that's probably 2968 04:15:54,319 --> 04:16:03,760 scaled down a bit. Um but still nice. Um, 2969 04:16:00,319 --> 04:16:07,760 but I don't I think I also had this realization that the $70 million number 2970 04:16:05,520 --> 04:16:11,439 scared a lot of folks, myself included. Um, when we started that design project, 2971 04:16:09,840 --> 04:16:16,159 we actually told the consultant we thought our max budget was 40 and that's 2972 04:16:13,520 --> 04:16:21,040 what we were designing to. Um, and when we got to the end of the design uh, the 2973 04:16:19,359 --> 04:16:24,159 initial design phase and had it cost estimated and it was $70 million, we all 2974 04:16:22,800 --> 04:16:30,720 choked. Actually, it was more than that. we actually value engineered way down uh 2975 04:16:27,199 --> 04:16:34,720 even to that number. And so I also don't want everybody to feel like that is the 2976 04:16:32,479 --> 04:16:38,560 only option. Hey, it's 70 million or nothing. It's not. We can phase this 2977 04:16:36,800 --> 04:16:43,840 project in creative ways if that's something you want to do. We think we 2978 04:16:40,960 --> 04:16:47,600 need ball fields. Um, we can walk through all those details about how our 2979 04:16:45,760 --> 04:16:50,560 current ball fields are used, the limitations they have, how our 2980 04:16:49,040 --> 04:16:54,159 programming is capped and limited because of the amount of time and space 2981 04:16:52,880 --> 04:16:57,199 that we have on those fields. We think ball fields are an important amenity. 2982 04:16:56,080 --> 04:17:01,520 They were an important amenity in the 2018 master plan. And I don't want those 2983 04:16:59,520 --> 04:17:05,600 to get shelved either from from the town administrator perspective because we 2984 04:17:02,960 --> 04:17:11,199 have really good recreation programs that are limited in their scope because 2985 04:17:07,600 --> 04:17:14,399 we don't have the programming space. So that's part of my concern with 2986 04:17:12,319 --> 04:17:17,600 Richardson, too. I'm a little I'm concerned that we've spent this time and 2987 04:17:15,920 --> 04:17:21,040 energy and money to prepare that project and that we might put it on the shelf in 2988 04:17:19,760 --> 04:17:24,640 favor of some other things. And if that's what the board wants, that's fine 2989 04:17:22,399 --> 04:17:28,640 with us. But at the same time, that's going to limit what we can do from a 2990 04:17:26,239 --> 04:17:31,760 programming standpoint moving forward. >> We're good. 2991 04:17:29,439 --> 04:17:36,159 » Yeah. >> Okay. I'm not trying to I'm just trying 2992 04:17:33,359 --> 04:17:38,239 to give all these. So this is an issue of budget, right? because you did put a 2993 04:17:37,520 --> 04:17:40,640 30 to 40 >> 100%. 2994 04:17:38,960 --> 04:17:43,840 » If we wanted if money wasn't an issue, we'd just say do all this, right? 2995 04:17:42,319 --> 04:17:46,880 » It is an issue of of money. >> If we had $100 million, we'd just say, 2996 04:17:45,680 --> 04:17:49,359 "Let's get it all done." >> But we don't. 2997 04:17:47,760 --> 04:17:52,960 » And one doesn't preclude the other, right? So an AR rating does not preclude 2998 04:17:51,840 --> 04:17:58,239 efficiency. >> I think it we can do a couple of these 2999 04:17:56,239 --> 04:18:02,880 projects at a time. It depends on how you want to do them. So like we don't 3000 04:18:00,720 --> 04:18:07,760 have 30 or $40 million cash to build Richardson anyway. You would have to 3001 04:18:04,319 --> 04:18:14,319 finance that project. Um, we could do, you know, we could do a 3002 04:18:10,880 --> 04:18:19,520 portion of uh the arburidum and the outdoor pool. We can do um we can mix 3003 04:18:18,080 --> 04:18:21,920 and match, I guess, is what I'm saying. But I think a lot of that depends on 3004 04:18:20,720 --> 04:18:25,359 priorities and what you're willing to fund. 3005 04:18:22,960 --> 04:18:30,399 » It's 10:30 and these are huge, huge dollars and huge complex issues and I 3006 04:18:28,880 --> 04:18:33,600 don't think a lot of things are put to bed even though we think they are. I 3007 04:18:32,399 --> 04:18:37,680 think there's people that have different opinions and would like to discuss them. 3008 04:18:35,520 --> 04:18:43,040 I I would recommend that either we do a special session or we get together or we 3009 04:18:39,920 --> 04:18:46,399 set aside three or four hours where we actually can delve into the details of 3010 04:18:44,960 --> 04:18:51,040 each of these and that's not what tonight's about. 3011 04:18:48,720 --> 04:18:54,720 » If I could to respect the public here, do we have public comment on this? How 3012 04:18:53,600 --> 04:18:58,960 would you do that? >> We're just making our comments before 3013 04:18:56,720 --> 04:19:03,279 » public comment and then let's let's have a study session to discuss everything 3014 04:19:01,439 --> 04:19:08,319 that comes forward. >> Okay, no more questions from the board. 3015 04:19:05,760 --> 04:19:11,439 We're just going to Okay, let's do that. So, we have two signed up and then I 3016 04:19:09,920 --> 04:19:17,120 know a lot of folks didn't have an opportunity to call on So, we'll start 3017 04:19:13,840 --> 04:19:21,120 off with the first um 3018 04:19:19,040 --> 04:19:24,800 » Can we get a copy of this? Is Karen Shimon still in here? 3019 04:19:23,439 --> 04:19:31,000 Yes, we'll send you a copy. >> Okay. Karen was gonna speak to that. U 3020 04:19:27,120 --> 04:19:31,000 but we have Carolyn Hopson. 3021 04:19:33,520 --> 04:19:43,359 » Good evening. Good night. Uh Carolyn Hobson. I live at 817 Greenwood Drive. 3022 04:19:40,640 --> 04:19:49,920 Um, like many of you, when I checked my mail last week, uh, I found a flyer that 3023 04:19:47,199 --> 04:19:56,479 said that we could build Richardson all at once and have a pool in the next two 3024 04:19:52,479 --> 04:20:02,159 years. Um, that sounds great. Not quite what I had heard. Uh, but what do I 3025 04:19:59,439 --> 04:20:08,239 know? I'm only on the port committee the last four years. Uh, been in several 3026 04:20:05,040 --> 04:20:13,520 meetings about these projects. had hours and hours of discussions about these 3027 04:20:10,319 --> 04:20:19,520 projects. Um so given that surprising information, I had some questions for 3028 04:20:15,520 --> 04:20:26,640 town staff. Um number one, the financing, uh is it feasible to 3029 04:20:24,479 --> 04:20:31,920 take out, you know, some kind of loan and finance this project all at once, 3030 04:20:28,960 --> 04:20:38,239 build it all at once versus phasing it, which is what we were told would happen 3031 04:20:33,439 --> 04:20:46,479 in cash taking seven to 10 years. Um my second question is uh 3032 04:20:41,600 --> 04:20:51,439 oh uh sorry very late. Um can the aquatic center be built in phase one? 3033 04:20:49,199 --> 04:20:56,399 Because now we're hearing ball some ballparks and the aquatic center where 3034 04:20:54,000 --> 04:21:01,680 we were told explicitly the aquatic center had to be built last because of 3035 04:20:59,520 --> 04:21:06,159 the dirt work and where it's located on the property. We went around and round 3036 04:21:04,000 --> 04:21:12,800 on how could we make the aquatic center happen first so that it could be a less 3037 04:21:09,600 --> 04:21:16,720 expensive project be done first. Um we suggested moving it to the top of the 3038 04:21:14,720 --> 04:21:20,479 property or a different place on the property so it could be done first and 3039 04:21:18,479 --> 04:21:25,600 we were always told that is not an option. It has to be done after 3040 04:21:22,399 --> 04:21:31,760 everything else is completed. Um, so thirdly, uh, if if both of those 3041 04:21:28,960 --> 04:21:37,439 things are true, then why did we ever go down the road of a pool at the rec 3042 04:21:33,600 --> 04:21:44,000 center if we could afford to do Richardson and get a pool within a 3043 04:21:40,479 --> 04:21:48,159 couple years, then I feel silly now that I came to you all and said, "Let's find 3044 04:21:46,640 --> 04:21:52,720 out how to get an outdoor pool direct center." Because that's not what was 3045 04:21:50,159 --> 04:21:56,960 communicated to port through all of these meetings. Um, so I guess just 3046 04:21:55,120 --> 04:22:03,680 clarification on that and you did clarify the 30 million because what port 3047 04:21:59,680 --> 04:22:08,159 was communicated was 84 um in the first meeting through all the different 3048 04:22:05,120 --> 04:22:13,920 phases. So um I feel like the I understand wanting to move that number 3049 04:22:10,880 --> 04:22:19,279 down but that is not the full scope of the project. Um so I appreciate the 3050 04:22:16,399 --> 04:22:22,800 clarification on that cost difference. So thank you. 3051 04:22:20,399 --> 04:22:26,680 » Thank you. 95. 3052 04:22:23,680 --> 04:22:26,680 » Okay. 3053 04:22:27,439 --> 04:22:33,040 » Hello. Uh, my name is Laura Shafeld and I live at 940 Bruce. 3054 04:22:31,840 --> 04:22:38,479 » Thank you. >> Uh, so my house is 50 years old. It was 3055 04:22:35,760 --> 04:22:44,080 built in the 70s and it had no water issues for the first 50 years of its 3056 04:22:41,520 --> 04:22:47,359 existence. Um, once the rec center was built, there's been extensive flooding 3057 04:22:45,680 --> 04:22:51,600 in the basement. There's black mold. It's causing health issues for my 3058 04:22:49,040 --> 04:22:59,199 children that live there and for myself. So my question for all of you 3059 04:22:56,319 --> 04:23:04,000 because you all seem to be very into doing all these projects. When you plan 3060 04:23:01,680 --> 04:23:10,080 these projects or when you built the rec center, what type of impact study is 3061 04:23:06,960 --> 04:23:14,560 done looking at groundwater? Um this seems to be a very marshy area and 3062 04:23:12,319 --> 04:23:21,199 Bertha is not specifically known for strong like structural integrity and its 3063 04:23:17,120 --> 04:23:26,800 marshiness. So proceeding forward, if these pools, these ingground pools are 3064 04:23:23,279 --> 04:23:31,439 built and the pond and the atorium which is in the picture, what impact studies 3065 04:23:29,600 --> 04:23:36,239 will be done to make sure that there's not additional flooding in my house, in 3066 04:23:34,000 --> 04:23:42,159 my neighbor's houses, in any of the surrounding area. Then if there is an 3067 04:23:40,000 --> 04:23:47,760 impact study done, ideally by a third party, does the town of Berid actually 3068 04:23:45,520 --> 04:23:52,080 look at that impact? Does it look at the study and really use that data? 3069 04:23:50,399 --> 04:23:56,800 Furthermore, if you use the data or don't use the 3070 04:23:54,159 --> 04:24:00,880 data of an impact study, what are the consequences for the city of Berthid and 3071 04:23:58,880 --> 04:24:08,159 the trustees for make going ahead with projects that cause damage to the 3072 04:24:04,640 --> 04:24:15,920 community? So this has been an ongoing issue and I don't understand how these 3073 04:24:11,520 --> 04:24:20,720 projects are like move forward without looking at how the environment's 3074 04:24:17,920 --> 04:24:21,680 impacted. So that's my question. >> Thank you. 3075 04:24:21,279 --> 04:24:25,279 » Thank you. >> Okay. Thanks. We're going to take uh 3076 04:24:23,359 --> 04:24:29,680 questions right now. I'm writing down >> Cool. 3077 04:24:25,840 --> 04:24:34,199 » Write it down the address. >> Um there. Yes. Thanks. 3078 04:24:34,390 --> 04:24:42,159 [Music] Uh, so Jeff Heindman, 1024 Street. 3079 04:24:40,319 --> 04:24:47,439 I really appreciate you guys' service. It is late. I sat for 16 years on the 3080 04:24:45,520 --> 04:24:53,279 other side of that dis, so I kind of have a sense of how this goes. And it is 3081 04:24:50,560 --> 04:24:57,120 really, these are really difficult um tough issues. 3082 04:24:55,439 --> 04:25:01,439 Fortunately, we do have 1% sales tax or we wouldn't 3083 04:24:59,279 --> 04:25:05,120 be talking about any of this um stuff. So, but anyway, you're our elected 3084 04:25:03,199 --> 04:25:09,760 leaders. You're the representatives we charge to 3085 04:25:07,680 --> 04:25:14,080 solve problems and prioritize and figure out these complicated things. Um, I 3086 04:25:12,319 --> 04:25:17,920 think over the years, some of my experiences with Berth has been that 3087 04:25:15,680 --> 04:25:22,080 it's really common to come up with the reasons why things can't get done 3088 04:25:20,000 --> 04:25:28,800 instead of focusing on how to get them done. And I really believe that myself 3089 04:25:24,560 --> 04:25:34,479 and my colleagues on the 2018 town board, um, if we didn't have the can do 3090 04:25:32,239 --> 04:25:40,319 attitude that we did, the rec center and Wagner would not be there today. Um, we 3091 04:25:38,319 --> 04:25:43,520 ultimately prevailed by two votes in a special election to stop us from 3092 04:25:41,920 --> 04:25:47,680 borrowing money, which it could not have been built without financing. You just 3093 04:25:45,359 --> 04:25:54,159 can't build 30 million, $40 million projects with cash in a timely fashion. 3094 04:25:51,120 --> 04:26:00,479 But we directed staff to solve problems, overcome obstacles, and figure out how 3095 04:25:56,960 --> 04:26:05,359 to get it built. And it's okay to get new information and change your mind and 3096 04:26:02,880 --> 04:26:09,840 change course. You don't just I mean, as an elected official, I was always open 3097 04:26:07,840 --> 04:26:14,080 to changing course if something came to light. And um you know, I wish I would 3098 04:26:12,720 --> 04:26:18,560 have gotten involved in some of the outdoor pool discussions, but you know, 3099 04:26:15,920 --> 04:26:22,159 there is no news really about Bertha or what the town board's doing. So I was 3100 04:26:20,399 --> 04:26:27,840 not aware of the outdoor pool concept until uh pretty recently. But anyway, 3101 04:26:24,720 --> 04:26:33,279 the survey identified new parks, trails, and an outdoor pool as a top priority. 3102 04:26:30,239 --> 04:26:38,239 Did not identify an arboritum. And building Richardson Park in phases, 3103 04:26:35,920 --> 04:26:42,159 checks all these boxes. Following the master plan, um makes sense. And you got 3104 04:26:41,040 --> 04:26:45,439 to figure out how to weave in some of these other projects if they trump if 3105 04:26:43,920 --> 04:26:51,520 you know like so maybe conval has to wait. the new and some of these other 3106 04:26:48,319 --> 04:26:57,040 things were not on the uh list when Conval was designated in 2018. But 3107 04:26:54,960 --> 04:27:00,159 anyway, I fully support an outdoor pool. The town really needs an outdoor pool. 3108 04:26:58,720 --> 04:27:04,560 We had to close the old one because of safety concerns and it was very 3109 04:27:02,080 --> 04:27:12,479 unpopular. But we also really need ball fields. My kids are 31 and 28 and we 3110 04:27:08,399 --> 04:27:15,840 have the same number of ball fields as we did when they were playing. Right? So 3111 04:27:14,239 --> 04:27:18,960 I've lived here 30 years. We have the exact same number of ball fields. And 3112 04:27:17,120 --> 04:27:22,319 the ball fields on Fifth Street are totally inadequate. They're dangerous. 3113 04:27:20,960 --> 04:27:27,040 There's people standing in the street. There's balls hitting cars. They're just 3114 04:27:24,720 --> 04:27:32,479 they're outdated. So, we need those as much as we need an outdoor pool. Um, and 3115 04:27:30,399 --> 04:27:36,800 my dad, 89 years old, swims twice a week at the rec center. Three lap lanes is 3116 04:27:34,880 --> 04:27:40,159 not adequate for a town of 14,000 people. And it's not going to get 3117 04:27:38,239 --> 04:27:44,479 better. And the lap lanes are not just used for swimmers. They're used for fire 3118 04:27:42,720 --> 04:27:50,479 training, lifeguard training, water aerobics. So anyway, so the current plan 3119 04:27:47,600 --> 04:27:55,520 to spend $10 million in cash on the arboritum and 10 million in cash on the 3120 04:27:52,800 --> 04:28:00,399 pool at Wagner are just not the best long-term thinking. And financing makes 3121 04:27:58,720 --> 04:28:04,399 a lot of sense. It spreads out your cash. We have a guaranteed revenue 3122 04:28:02,239 --> 04:28:10,000 stream. Saving your cash will free up money to design the concept at new. And 3123 04:28:07,840 --> 04:28:13,520 um I think the reason we got here is because of the 80 million $70 million 3124 04:28:11,920 --> 04:28:18,479 number and talking about a pool 10 years down the road which is not acceptable. 3125 04:28:15,680 --> 04:28:23,279 So Richardson's bid ready. It can go out to bid. The dirt work could start this 3126 04:28:20,560 --> 04:28:28,479 year. And while the pool's designed the cost of $650,000 to design the new pool 3127 04:28:25,840 --> 04:28:32,479 at Wagner is the same about cost to finish the design of the pool at 3128 04:28:30,479 --> 04:28:37,760 Richardson and lap lanes could be added to that if you told staff to do that. 3129 04:28:34,880 --> 04:28:42,080 And so if you phase and finance and value engineer Richardson 3130 04:28:40,239 --> 04:28:45,760 um it can get started this year. The pool could start next spring and it 3131 04:28:43,760 --> 04:28:51,600 could be open the summer of 2027. They built the 30 uh 50,000 foot rec center 3132 04:28:49,120 --> 04:28:56,399 in the 30acre park. FCI built that in 16 months. It was amazing. So um appreciate 3133 04:28:55,359 --> 04:29:00,720 your time. >> Thanks. Let me just do one more. Will if 3134 04:28:59,760 --> 04:29:05,040 you don't mind. >> So a minute. 3135 04:29:02,239 --> 04:29:09,279 » Okay. Thanks. So, the 10 million for the Wagner pool can be a 20% down payment. 3136 04:29:07,920 --> 04:29:13,199 » Mr. Hyman, I'm sorry. I'm just trying to follow the rules here. 3137 04:29:10,640 --> 04:29:18,040 » Okay. >> All right. Uh, anyone else? Yeah. 3138 04:29:22,479 --> 04:29:30,960 » Lauren Roth, 1735 Exit Street. Sorry, my voice. I've been sitting for a few hours 3139 04:29:28,479 --> 04:29:34,800 just like y'all. Um, I have been on the port committee for the last four years 3140 04:29:32,399 --> 04:29:38,560 and we have been working on all of these projects and I was really excited about 3141 04:29:37,040 --> 04:29:43,840 Richardson Park. I thought it was an awesome park. I still do think it's an 3142 04:29:40,720 --> 04:29:47,840 awesome park. Um, the funding of course was a question which I don't have to 3143 04:29:46,000 --> 04:29:52,159 answer which I was really happy about. Um but when we were going through 3144 04:29:50,640 --> 04:29:56,720 everything last year looking at those plans which were not at the 100% mark in 3145 04:29:54,800 --> 04:30:01,520 terms of construction documents at that point um it came to light that it was 3146 04:29:59,760 --> 04:30:05,760 the pool at that property was going to be 8 to 10 years and that's where the 3147 04:30:03,279 --> 04:30:09,359 survey came from last year was us saying you know we probably need to ask people 3148 04:30:07,040 --> 04:30:12,960 what they want and the pool was as you saw from the survey results earlier 3149 04:30:10,960 --> 04:30:17,359 tonight number two on the list. Open parks and trails are always number one. 3150 04:30:14,960 --> 04:30:23,840 We're working on those constantly. the pool was number two. Um, and so looking 3151 04:30:21,520 --> 04:30:28,399 at Richardson Park, looking at an 8 to10 year timeline and a $70 million price 3152 04:30:26,560 --> 04:30:31,600 tag, we thought, what could we do differently? And so that's where we 3153 04:30:29,600 --> 04:30:34,319 started looking at that outdoor pool. Um, looking at the outdoor pool at the 3154 04:30:33,359 --> 04:30:38,880 rec center. There have been conversations recently saying things 3155 04:30:36,720 --> 04:30:44,080 such as that the plumbing that was at the rec center was for an indoor pool to 3156 04:30:41,120 --> 04:30:50,000 be put out there which I have never heard before just this recent 3157 04:30:46,239 --> 04:30:52,960 conversation. Um I was always just told that they had plumbed it in the 3158 04:30:51,279 --> 04:30:56,720 anticipation that something could be put there. Um the outdoor pool at the rec 3159 04:30:55,199 --> 04:31:00,960 center was something it fit the timeline, it fit the cost. It was 3160 04:30:58,800 --> 04:31:06,080 something that we could do that the town really wanted. And so that was my 3161 04:31:03,600 --> 04:31:09,920 motivator. Um, and I want to remind you all that the 100% construction documents 3162 04:31:08,239 --> 04:31:14,720 of Richardson Park and being ready to break ground on that was a conversation 3163 04:31:12,239 --> 04:31:19,600 that we had during one of our uh, meetings that 3164 04:31:17,040 --> 04:31:23,840 I think it was Chris Kirk asked if they could continue with working on 3165 04:31:21,439 --> 04:31:27,920 construction documents while we did the survey with the caveat that the survey 3166 04:31:26,399 --> 04:31:32,560 results would drive what that next project was. And so it wasn't that those 3167 04:31:30,159 --> 04:31:36,560 construction documents were there are there and ready to go because we were 3168 04:31:34,800 --> 04:31:40,720 going that direction. It's because there was the ask that we continue with that 3169 04:31:38,239 --> 04:31:44,880 because that project was already working with the caveat that we would change 3170 04:31:42,560 --> 04:31:48,800 route if those those survey results showed something different. And so I 3171 04:31:46,319 --> 04:31:52,960 think that's where I start to get a little anxious because I feel like the 3172 04:31:51,040 --> 04:31:56,720 town said something very clear in that survey that they wanted that outdoor 3173 04:31:54,399 --> 04:32:01,439 pool. And I don't think that the con that the the projects are mutually 3174 04:31:59,600 --> 04:32:05,680 exclusive either. I think like Chris said, you can work on multiple projects 3175 04:32:02,880 --> 04:32:09,359 at one time, but I do think priorities um 3176 04:32:07,199 --> 04:32:12,000 are there that that the town really does want the outdoor pool. And so I'm 3177 04:32:10,640 --> 04:32:14,640 hopeful that you guys will keep that as kind of one of those top priorities. 3178 04:32:13,520 --> 04:32:20,279 Thank you. >> Thank you. 3179 04:32:16,960 --> 04:32:20,279 » Anyone else? 3180 04:32:23,920 --> 04:32:33,600 » Hi. I'm Alex Hy 2033 Cuda Court in Berthood. Um I think just in listening 3181 04:32:30,560 --> 04:32:40,080 to everything that's gone on tonight um and I've been kind of looking on from 3182 04:32:36,399 --> 04:32:44,640 the the outside over the years um you know we want a pool or we as the 3183 04:32:42,319 --> 04:32:51,520 community it seems want a pool. We as a community need more uh ballparks. 3184 04:32:47,760 --> 04:32:57,040 I'm uh I'm not as uh call me not as supportive of my kid to drive across the 3185 04:32:54,000 --> 04:33:03,680 country to go to uh to baseball games. Um and I've had to drive to Fort Collins 3186 04:33:01,600 --> 04:33:09,920 all the way to Fort Collins every time for my my kids baseball game in a in a 3187 04:33:06,400 --> 04:33:14,879 birthed club. And um uh granted Chris goes to across the 3188 04:33:13,119 --> 04:33:20,959 country for these things, but he's he's more a committed dad than I am, I guess. 3189 04:33:17,680 --> 04:33:26,240 Um but uh I guess all I'm saying is it seems clear to me that we need ballparks 3190 04:33:23,359 --> 04:33:31,359 and we need a pool. And it seems like Richardson is the place to do both of 3191 04:33:28,320 --> 04:33:36,080 those. And if that comes at the loss of a of the arboritum or the delay of our 3192 04:33:33,520 --> 04:33:41,039 arboritum, I would think that would make a lot of sense for 3193 04:33:38,561 --> 04:33:46,080 uh what the community has been reaching out wanting to see. And so taking that 3194 04:33:44,160 --> 04:33:52,400 650,000 and plugging it into a design that would 3195 04:33:49,840 --> 04:33:58,480 um put that lap or put those pools over at Richardson to me makes a lot of 3196 04:33:54,719 --> 04:34:03,600 sense. Um but uh and then also using our cash and you know maybe I finance too 3197 04:34:01,119 --> 04:34:09,359 many things in life but using our cash towards financing to make those 3198 04:34:05,920 --> 04:34:14,959 community needs um granted. I think that would be uh uh I don't know a wise wise 3199 04:34:12,320 --> 04:34:17,920 approach but um that's all I have. Thank you. 3200 04:34:15,279 --> 04:34:21,240 » Thank you. Anyone else? 3201 04:34:21,520 --> 04:34:25,920 » All right. Thank you all for seeing in attendance tonight. I'll close the 3202 04:34:24,160 --> 04:34:30,320 public comment portion, bring it back to the board. Uh it sounds like uh we want 3203 04:34:28,320 --> 04:34:33,920 to push this into a study session. Is that correct? 3204 04:34:31,840 --> 04:34:36,320 » Okay. Um Administrator Kirk, you have any final thoughts here? 3205 04:34:35,039 --> 04:34:38,400 » You want me to answer the questions that were asked? 3206 04:34:36,799 --> 04:34:41,119 » Oh, that would be great. Uh start out with that groundwater one because I 3207 04:34:39,520 --> 04:34:43,199 don't know if that uh not really related to recreation, but how we do business. 3208 04:34:42,879 --> 04:34:46,160 So >> there is 3209 04:34:44,320 --> 04:34:48,959 » there was an extensive amount of geotechnical investigation that was done 3210 04:34:47,840 --> 04:34:57,439 during the construction of the rec center. um we drilled um test wells and 3211 04:34:54,160 --> 04:35:02,400 um took ground cores to do structural design and that's typical on any project 3212 04:34:59,760 --> 04:35:06,080 of that magnitude. Um civil engineering firms reviewed all of those and made 3213 04:35:03,840 --> 04:35:09,680 recommendations about um all the infrastructure that would get built, the 3214 04:35:08,240 --> 04:35:12,959 underground storm water infrastructure, the above ground storm water 3215 04:35:10,639 --> 04:35:17,600 infrastructure. um that pool, the indoor pool actually sits on 121 3216 04:35:15,600 --> 04:35:21,760 um concrete quesons that go down to bedrock because of the high groundwater 3217 04:35:19,600 --> 04:35:25,039 in that area. The groundwater was actually on the park in some areas, if I 3218 04:35:23,760 --> 04:35:29,920 remember right, and I'm quoting this off the top of my head. Um but if I remember 3219 04:35:28,000 --> 04:35:33,439 right from those test well observations, the groundwater was as high as three or 3220 04:35:31,520 --> 04:35:38,480 four feet below the surface before we built the park. And so, um, we have, um, 3221 04:35:37,119 --> 04:35:43,359 communicated extensively with the previous property owner who sold it in 3222 04:35:39,840 --> 04:35:49,119 2024 at 940 Bruce, uh, about that issue. Um, he I understand that he had flooding 3223 04:35:47,600 --> 04:35:53,279 in his basement. He installed a sump pump to deal with it and a trench drain 3224 04:35:51,119 --> 04:35:58,480 around the outside of the foundation or around the exterior of the foundation. 3225 04:35:56,160 --> 04:36:02,080 So >> yeah, it's I'm sorry. It's in inside the 3226 04:36:00,561 --> 04:36:06,799 basement adjacent to the foundation walls as I but 3227 04:36:04,320 --> 04:36:10,400 » Okay. So we do look at groundwater. >> Yes, absolutely. 3228 04:36:07,680 --> 04:36:13,439 » repercussions. Yeah, we verify all that. >> But you don't have any monitoring wells 3229 04:36:12,639 --> 04:36:16,879 throughout. >> I'm not I'm not trying to downplay. I 3230 04:36:15,119 --> 04:36:19,600 think you have very specific concerns. I just don't know. What I'm saying is I 3231 04:36:18,320 --> 04:36:23,920 don't know how it's I see how it's related to like if you build a pool, how 3232 04:36:22,160 --> 04:36:26,719 does that affect the groundwater? I think what needs to happen is we can 3233 04:36:25,119 --> 04:36:28,561 just sit down as a group. I think that'd be best. 3234 04:36:27,279 --> 04:36:32,080 » I would love to come to that meeting. >> Thank you. No, I would love to invite 3235 04:36:29,840 --> 04:36:32,719 you. Yeah. Okay. Do you mind emailing me? 3236 04:36:32,320 --> 04:36:35,680 » I will. >> Okay. My card is right behind you by 3237 04:36:34,400 --> 04:36:37,199 Sergeant Williamson, but I'd love to set up a meeting with you. 3238 04:36:36,561 --> 04:36:40,240 » Thank you. >> Phenomenal. 3239 04:36:37,840 --> 04:36:44,000 » Um, >> do we want to go uh Miss Hobson's 3240 04:36:42,320 --> 04:36:47,199 questions about aquatics in phase one? Uh, White Pool at Rec Center if 3241 04:36:45,279 --> 04:36:51,520 Richardson if it was in phase one of that. Um, 3242 04:36:49,840 --> 04:36:57,119 » I can answer those questions relatively briefly, I think. Um the the reason why 3243 04:36:55,600 --> 04:37:02,160 we didn't believe we could build the outdoor aquatics facility initially was 3244 04:36:59,279 --> 04:37:06,879 because of the cost. Um we didn't have the cash to fund it. Um I at the time we 3245 04:37:05,760 --> 04:37:12,480 were under the impression that we could not finance that park. Uh so the the the 3246 04:37:09,920 --> 04:37:18,959 financing mechanism that we used for Wagner uh requires the kind of the 3247 04:37:15,439 --> 04:37:24,000 building serves as collateral. And so, um, it's a it's a complicated financing 3248 04:37:22,719 --> 04:37:28,561 process. I'm not going to try to explain tonight. I'm happy to at a study 3249 04:37:25,760 --> 04:37:32,480 session. Um, but that those certificates of participation are unique from bonds. 3250 04:37:30,320 --> 04:37:35,680 It's not like a you you don't get a lump payment. You're actually paying a lease 3251 04:37:33,840 --> 04:37:38,719 payment back to a trustee who holds that. You own the property, but a 3252 04:37:37,199 --> 04:37:42,000 trustee is responsible for it, and you pay them back for the financing you 3253 04:37:40,160 --> 04:37:45,359 receive. That's the simplest way I can explain it. U, but that building serves 3254 04:37:44,240 --> 04:37:48,639 as collateral. We were under the impression that you could not do that. 3255 04:37:47,119 --> 04:37:52,799 um because there wasn't enough asset value with Richardson Park. We've 3256 04:37:51,199 --> 04:37:56,639 learned recently that may not be the case and that we could uh likely issue 3257 04:37:54,879 --> 04:38:02,000 that kind of financing in order to construct the park and literally within 3258 04:37:58,320 --> 04:38:08,400 the last you know six weeks or so. So it is possible I think um that that that 3259 04:38:04,959 --> 04:38:10,959 could be done but uh and that that was just through conversations with our 3260 04:38:09,520 --> 04:38:16,400 underwriter that helped with us with our bond issuance uh that you approved for 3261 04:38:13,279 --> 04:38:21,279 refunding the wastewater bonds. So it is possible um potentially although that 3262 04:38:19,359 --> 04:38:27,359 there's you know those financing deals take months to put together um and the 3263 04:38:25,920 --> 04:38:31,279 market has to be right in order to make them work. There's a lot of things that 3264 04:38:29,119 --> 04:38:36,000 have to be done to figure that out. I I don't want to preclude I do think what I 3265 04:38:34,160 --> 04:38:39,119 and what I think uh Miss Hobson and Miss Roth articulated was like I think 3266 04:38:37,680 --> 04:38:43,439 everybody was excited about Richardson Park including staff. it was the next 3267 04:38:41,199 --> 04:38:48,879 phase of the park's master plan. Uh from a phasing and financing perspective, it 3268 04:38:45,840 --> 04:38:52,240 it looked like it was undoable. Um and I also don't want to foreclose on the 3269 04:38:50,561 --> 04:38:59,279 opportunity to build that park if that is the preferred construction, maybe 3270 04:38:56,080 --> 04:39:04,000 with some tweaks um and and some value and some creative value engineering. But 3271 04:39:00,639 --> 04:39:08,000 if that's the preferred park project, I don't want to foreclose on it because we 3272 04:39:06,000 --> 04:39:12,400 have new information that could give us the opportunity to potentially construct 3273 04:39:09,439 --> 04:39:17,279 it. Not saying we definitely can. That requires a lot of analysis, requires 3274 04:39:14,639 --> 04:39:20,240 comprehensive, you know, financial work with an underwriter and and bond council 3275 04:39:19,199 --> 04:39:24,879 and all these things to try and figure all that stuff out. Um, but I would also 3276 04:39:23,199 --> 04:39:28,799 be remiss if we moved forward with tens of millions of dollars in cash funded 3277 04:39:26,480 --> 04:39:32,400 park projects if that was the board's priority. And I don't know that we 3278 04:39:30,561 --> 04:39:36,160 really had that conversation clearly at the time. It was, hey, we can't afford 3279 04:39:34,240 --> 04:39:38,480 this park and we can't build this pool today because we don't have the cash to 3280 04:39:37,360 --> 04:39:41,760 do that. It's going to take a lot of time for us to get there. And no, we 3281 04:39:40,080 --> 04:39:46,798 cannot build that as phase one with with the money that we have. Um, and so we 3282 04:39:44,240 --> 04:39:49,520 pivoted to to this outdoor pool concept. Um, 3283 04:39:48,320 --> 04:39:53,120 with the idea that it would be a lot simpler to build. The infrastructure is 3284 04:39:50,958 --> 04:39:55,840 already in place, generally speaking. uh there's parking, there's, you know, all 3285 04:39:54,718 --> 04:40:00,480 these other things that you don't have to construct in order to build a pool uh 3286 04:39:58,320 --> 04:40:04,000 that you would have to do at Richardson. And so I think that's what drove us down 3287 04:40:02,320 --> 04:40:09,040 that road. And admittedly, this is relatively newer information that I 3288 04:40:05,760 --> 04:40:13,360 think is relevant to the conversation. So that's why we didn't I think that's 3289 04:40:11,280 --> 04:40:16,958 why it's new information for everyone, including um the board committee and the 3290 04:40:15,760 --> 04:40:20,480 board. >> All right. So if there's nothing else, 3291 04:40:19,360 --> 04:40:23,760 trustes, it sounds like we'll just schedule this for a meeting. I don't 3292 04:40:21,840 --> 04:40:27,680 know if we can set that date tonight, but we'll have an upcoming meeting uh 3293 04:40:25,680 --> 04:40:33,280 special study session just to focus on our parks 3294 04:40:29,840 --> 04:40:36,480 master plan and priorities. >> And would you expect to have funding 3295 04:40:34,798 --> 04:40:38,958 options? We have a little bit better idea of financing. 3296 04:40:37,360 --> 04:40:42,480 » Yes. Yeah. And knowing that we would have the time, we'll give you a really 3297 04:40:40,080 --> 04:40:44,878 comprehensive overview of how that could how that could be done if that's what 3298 04:40:43,760 --> 04:40:48,958 you want to do. >> Okay. All right. Well, thank you 3299 04:40:47,200 --> 04:40:52,560 everybody. Uh we will go into executive session 3300 04:40:50,480 --> 04:40:56,040 after this. So, uh, we will do, uh, reports next 3301 04:40:57,680 --> 04:41:03,040 » and we'll start off with, uh, Trusty Wing this time. 3302 04:41:00,718 --> 04:41:05,920 » I'll bring my reports back next time at the, uh, time that we're looking at 3303 04:41:05,280 --> 04:41:11,600 right now. >> Okay. Um, Trustee Alrech. 3304 04:41:09,120 --> 04:41:18,560 » Um, I just wanted to make mention of the citizen email about having to pay to 3305 04:41:15,600 --> 04:41:22,560 take their kids to rec center. Um, I know it was a while ago that we had 3306 04:41:20,240 --> 04:41:25,920 brought up implementing some type of system where you don't have to pay. 3307 04:41:24,080 --> 04:41:30,480 You're not using the facility. You're just taking your children. So, I I don't 3308 04:41:28,160 --> 04:41:35,200 know if we have an update on when that's going to be implemented, but we'll get 3309 04:41:32,718 --> 04:41:38,878 some news soon. >> Do you have any thoughts? 3310 04:41:36,240 --> 04:41:42,718 » Um, I think we generally solved that problem. Um, 3311 04:41:40,958 --> 04:41:46,320 but it's late and I don't remember the specifics. I will make sure that I get 3312 04:41:44,320 --> 04:41:50,080 that answer back to you. U, but Amanda and I did talk about it. she reviewed it 3313 04:41:47,920 --> 04:41:55,280 with her staff. Uh we talked about all the various kind of you know u what's 3314 04:41:53,600 --> 04:42:00,400 the right term the unintended consequences um and how can we limit 3315 04:41:57,600 --> 04:42:05,600 that in kind of practical ways. So you know again anytime you're there 3316 04:42:02,798 --> 04:42:09,760 for a program like you know swim lessons or basketball we don't charge parents to 3317 04:42:07,520 --> 04:42:12,080 get in but if you're taking your kid to the pool and they're swimming during 3318 04:42:10,878 --> 04:42:16,160 open swimming we typically charge parents even if we you know if they tell 3319 04:42:14,160 --> 04:42:19,920 us they're not going to swim. There are some other ways we can handle that and I 3320 04:42:18,080 --> 04:42:22,638 think we generally dealt with that but I'll I'll I'll get a formal response. I 3321 04:42:21,920 --> 04:42:25,360 apologize. >> Okay. Thank you. 3322 04:42:23,760 --> 04:42:28,718 » Trusty. >> Um I have a few as well but I'll recall 3323 04:42:27,280 --> 04:42:31,040 them until next time. There's nothing pressing. 3324 04:42:29,520 --> 04:42:37,680 » Trusty Hardy. >> Just a quick one. Um Earth Main Street 3325 04:42:33,760 --> 04:42:40,240 is in in talks with Downtown Business Collaborative. We're going to be merging 3326 04:42:39,120 --> 04:42:43,360 it looks like. >> All right. 3327 04:42:40,878 --> 04:42:48,560 » Trying to form a new board. And part of the main street thing is to get town 3328 04:42:44,798 --> 04:42:53,280 support. So I've been speaking with Gail down at Colorado Main Street. She is 3329 04:42:51,280 --> 04:42:58,320 free September 30th to give the town trustees a 30 minute virtual 3330 04:42:55,920 --> 04:43:04,878 presentation if that's possible to get on the agenda for September 30th. 3331 04:43:02,798 --> 04:43:08,878 » I was making a note about the um rec center. I didn't want to forget what was 3332 04:43:06,480 --> 04:43:14,080 that. I was trying to ask if if we could possibly the to get main street support 3333 04:43:10,958 --> 04:43:18,080 we have to have town town support. So Gail of the Colorado Main Street wants 3334 04:43:15,760 --> 04:43:24,560 to do a virtual presentation takes about 30 minutes and September 30th she will 3335 04:43:21,040 --> 04:43:30,638 be available which is Tuesday night >> September 30th. 3336 04:43:26,080 --> 04:43:33,760 » Uh that's a fifth Tuesday. Um so we'll have to talk about do you want to 3337 04:43:32,000 --> 04:43:39,280 have a study session to talk about park priorities on that fifth Tuesday? Do you 3338 04:43:35,520 --> 04:43:43,120 want to do that sooner than that? Um, but September 30th, I think, is a fifth 3339 04:43:41,680 --> 04:43:46,400 Tuesday where we would not normally have a meeting. 3340 04:43:44,560 --> 04:43:50,160 » And you need it sooner rather than later because 3341 04:43:46,878 --> 04:43:54,200 » we can do it later, too. But let's just >> Okay. 3342 04:43:50,878 --> 04:43:54,200 » We're in motion. 3343 04:43:54,320 --> 04:43:58,798 » Well, regardless of the date, are we supportive of getting this on the agenda 3344 04:43:57,360 --> 04:44:03,760 so they can move forward? >> Yeah. I think I'd like clarification on 3345 04:44:00,560 --> 04:44:07,440 the structure, how the town's involved, um, how businesses are going to be 3346 04:44:05,440 --> 04:44:13,440 represented. Just a little bit more of that because I I basically I would like 3347 04:44:11,520 --> 04:44:16,878 to make sure we're able to help get grant funding to business owners and if 3348 04:44:15,280 --> 04:44:20,560 town staff can do that or not. I don't know if they're allowed to or if it has 3349 04:44:18,400 --> 04:44:24,320 to be a separate entity. Um, with everything Ted's done, I'm glad he's, 3350 04:44:22,480 --> 04:44:27,120 you know, heading this up. But I'd also like to see if we could get some other 3351 04:44:25,520 --> 04:44:31,200 business owners to take charge and get them invested and involved and to take 3352 04:44:29,120 --> 04:44:34,400 ownership of it. And so, you know, wanting to see if how that structure 3353 04:44:32,560 --> 04:44:38,958 works since Tim's on the board if they would feel more involved if they could 3354 04:44:36,878 --> 04:44:42,560 take the a leadership role in that. And so, just some of those questions I think 3355 04:44:40,400 --> 04:44:45,520 Tim would help us know what the structure is going to be like going 3356 04:44:43,520 --> 04:44:47,600 forward so we can get some moving parts from staff. 3357 04:44:46,320 --> 04:44:49,200 » The structures and what the board is going to look like. 3358 04:44:48,718 --> 04:44:54,878 » Yeah. >> The board and also how the town can 3359 04:44:51,600 --> 04:44:57,840 support it. Can town staff work, you know, toward grant funding alongside 3360 04:44:56,320 --> 04:45:01,040 this group since we have designated staff now 3361 04:44:59,520 --> 04:45:04,480 » um to help and can >> I think that's where the presentation 3362 04:45:02,240 --> 04:45:07,280 from Carl Main Street would be helpful to the board. 3363 04:45:05,360 --> 04:45:12,320 » Okay. Yeah, that would be awesome. Thank you. 3364 04:45:08,878 --> 04:45:15,120 » Okay. So, let's I don't know. >> Do you need that date in particular? 3365 04:45:14,000 --> 04:45:19,760 » It's just one of the dates she gave me. I think she may have calculated the 3366 04:45:17,680 --> 04:45:24,160 Tuesday night. So I can ask her if >> you mind sending that Gail's contact to 3367 04:45:22,400 --> 04:45:26,000 staff to Chris and then we can reach out. 3368 04:45:24,560 --> 04:45:30,958 » Yep. >> Awesome. Okay. Yes, sounds great. Um 3369 04:45:29,440 --> 04:45:34,480 Mayor Pro Tim, >> um just wanted to bring up thank you for 3370 04:45:32,798 --> 04:45:40,000 participating in the seed dot meeting yes or is it yesterday? I I've lost 3371 04:45:37,120 --> 04:45:45,120 track. Um anyways, they're adding additional sidewalk bars at the Ninth 3372 04:45:42,080 --> 04:45:49,760 and Mountain Crossing. Uh right now we've got engineers working on a design 3373 04:45:47,200 --> 04:45:54,080 that features largely four ballouts at that crossing along with additional 3374 04:45:51,760 --> 04:45:59,040 safety improvements they're considering. Uh it sounds like it's very likely that 3375 04:45:56,878 --> 04:46:03,920 they will have internal design funding to provide us with the design and bring 3376 04:46:01,520 --> 04:46:08,400 that forth. Um there will be confirmation on that funding in a couple 3377 04:46:05,840 --> 04:46:15,360 of weeks hopefully. Um the biggest challenge that from my understanding was 3378 04:46:11,440 --> 04:46:20,000 surveying the actual location which uh largely would require their internal 3379 04:46:17,680 --> 04:46:25,200 staff's time to go out and survey the location. Although it's a possibility 3380 04:46:22,718 --> 04:46:30,798 that consultants could be hired to go do that work. Um but that's the update I 3381 04:46:28,718 --> 04:46:34,958 wanted to provide on that and stuff. I think we had a good meeting on safety 3382 04:46:32,400 --> 04:46:40,798 improvements there. Um and C dot is moving. So, I'm pretty happy about that. 3383 04:46:38,080 --> 04:46:45,920 But, um, if there's any other additional information or if you guys would like to 3384 04:46:42,718 --> 04:46:50,480 participate in these meetings, um, I'm welcome you to join and stuff. Um, 3385 04:46:48,000 --> 04:46:53,480 otherwise, I'll continue to provide updates. 3386 04:46:54,080 --> 04:46:59,760 » Yep. >> Well done. Well, that was going to be 3387 04:46:58,400 --> 04:47:05,360 one of mine. It was Thank you for that um meeting yesterday, staying on it. 3388 04:47:02,718 --> 04:47:08,480 I mean, that's that's unbelievable. They got seat out the move. So, that's that's 3389 04:47:06,798 --> 04:47:10,080 100% testament for you taking on them. So, 3390 04:47:08,718 --> 04:47:14,480 » kind of surprised myself. >> Yeah, that was that was really cool to 3391 04:47:11,280 --> 04:47:17,680 hear. Um, sorry I couldn't be at the um transportation meeting today. 3392 04:47:15,600 --> 04:47:22,878 Administrator Kirk, I just did email out what I thought the board was interested 3393 04:47:19,760 --> 04:47:26,160 in as far as this initial um uh subcommittee for transportation. How 3394 04:47:25,280 --> 04:47:28,798 you respond to that? >> You didn't miss uh the meeting today. 3395 04:47:27,840 --> 04:47:32,480 It's next Tuesday. >> Oh, sweet. their their meeting their 3396 04:47:30,878 --> 04:47:34,400 meeting was today which is why they were kind of pressing us to give them 3397 04:47:33,760 --> 04:47:39,040 something. >> Oh, great. That's why I will be there uh 3398 04:47:36,958 --> 04:47:41,200 draft RFP to them yesterday. >> You did not miss. Carl thought he missed 3399 04:47:40,638 --> 04:47:44,560 too. So >> I told Carl he missed it. That's why. 3400 04:47:42,958 --> 04:47:49,760 All right. Well, that's good. >> Um also great job with the first uh 3401 04:47:47,760 --> 04:47:53,120 national night out. Wish Teresa was here for this, but 3402 04:47:51,280 --> 04:47:56,798 » unbelievable. I know by you. >> I know you had to be gone, but it was 3403 04:47:55,040 --> 04:48:02,240 all it was for you guys and hopefully be there next year. But Teresa did a just a 3404 04:47:59,600 --> 04:48:07,760 fantastic job. So May showed up. Uh Brett was there. Sean was there. What? 3405 04:48:05,200 --> 04:48:11,520 » Uh yeah, you the face you had when you were throwing baseballs at me or balls 3406 04:48:10,080 --> 04:48:15,200 still will haunt me for a long time coming here. But I think Brett, you hit 3407 04:48:13,600 --> 04:48:19,600 three out of three on on the targets to get me in there. So need more signups 3408 04:48:17,280 --> 04:48:24,160 next year. But um truthfully, the sheriff and uh the chief of the EMS both 3409 04:48:22,480 --> 04:48:26,638 and I have them talk to Teresa about this too, but they both volunteered to 3410 04:48:25,440 --> 04:48:29,840 do the dunk next year. >> Nice. 3411 04:48:28,320 --> 04:48:33,440 » Staff did an awesome job with that. So, thank you. 3412 04:48:30,798 --> 04:48:38,798 » Um I was out of town, so I did miss a um mental health meeting um Monday. 3413 04:48:36,160 --> 04:48:43,200 Unfortunately, I talked about driving. Anyway, um that's all I have for now, so 3414 04:48:41,360 --> 04:48:46,958 I'll turn it over to staff. The only item I'd like to cover tonight, we can 3415 04:48:44,878 --> 04:48:52,560 deal with uh any other updates in other ways. The November 11th meeting uh would 3416 04:48:50,400 --> 04:48:59,280 be a regular town board meeting that falls on Veterans Day. Um and so 3417 04:48:56,400 --> 04:49:03,280 question we have is town hall is closed. Our staff will not be here. Um no issue 3418 04:49:01,600 --> 04:49:07,440 for me. and come to the meeting. But um would you prefer to move the meeting to 3419 04:49:05,360 --> 04:49:12,160 November 10th, which would be a Monday night instead of a Tuesday or maybe the 3420 04:49:10,000 --> 04:49:16,000 12th uh which would be a Wednesday, or would you prefer to just have it on 3421 04:49:13,520 --> 04:49:18,958 Veterans Day >> or cancel it? But I I do think we'll 3422 04:49:17,680 --> 04:49:23,920 probably have items to deal with. I mean, it's uh it is uncommon for us not 3423 04:49:21,440 --> 04:49:28,400 to have agenda items, so >> I'd prefer 10. 3424 04:49:26,320 --> 04:49:33,040 » I would agree. Okay, 3425 04:49:29,600 --> 04:49:33,040 » that's a Monday night. 3426 04:49:33,680 --> 04:49:40,000 works for me. >> And we don't have to decide tonight, but 3427 04:49:38,080 --> 04:49:45,040 uh we will prioritize the 10th. We'll confirm with you. Um but if that if that 3428 04:49:43,520 --> 04:49:47,920 works for y'all, that would I think that would make sense. 3429 04:49:46,798 --> 04:49:53,400 » All right. >> Move it from the 11th to the 10th. Is 3430 04:49:49,600 --> 04:49:53,400 that what we're trying to do? 3431 04:49:53,440 --> 04:49:58,240 » Cool. Works for me. Thank you. Set that out. Uh Attorney Smith, anything? 3432 04:49:57,440 --> 04:49:59,600 » Nothing. >> All right. Anything from Sheriff's 3433 04:49:59,280 --> 04:50:01,680 Office? >> Nothing. 3434 04:50:00,240 --> 04:50:05,200 » All right. Welcome back. All right. Thank you everybody. Um let's uh have 3435 04:50:04,000 --> 04:50:11,280 someone move us into an executive session here. Anyone like to move on? 3436 04:50:09,370 --> 04:50:17,480 [Applause] >> Well, there's a particular 3437 04:50:14,000 --> 04:50:17,480 revised statute. 3438 04:50:19,920 --> 04:50:22,920 » CS24-6-42 3439 04:50:24,798 --> 04:50:27,798 Ethereation 3440 04:50:29,440 --> 04:50:36,240 developing strategy for negotiations and instructive negotiations and the 3441 04:50:34,160 --> 04:50:43,520 following details are provided. Bacon Lake Interceptor East, oil and gas lease 3442 04:50:39,760 --> 04:50:46,080 and 290 Mount. Is there a second? All right, the motion 3443 04:50:44,798 --> 04:50:47,920 has been seconded. Clerk, can we have a roll call vote, please? 3444 04:50:47,120 --> 04:50:49,280 » Trusty Wing, >> yes. 3445 04:50:48,320 --> 04:50:50,718 » Trusty Hardy, >> yes. 3446 04:50:49,680 --> 04:50:52,320 » Trusty Ays, >> yes. 3447 04:50:51,120 --> 04:50:53,920 » Mayor Prom Murphy, >> yes. 3448 04:50:52,878 --> 04:50:55,360 » Trustee Alrech, >> yes. 3449 04:50:54,320 --> 04:50:59,120 » Mayor Carsbach, >> all right. Yes. Thank you. All right. 3450 04:50:57,200 --> 04:51:02,718 So, we'll move into uh executive session in the back room there, and then we'll 3451 04:51:00,320 --> 04:51:02,718 adjourn from