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Thank you, everybody.
In accordance with the exception 3D of

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chapter 231 of the public laws of 1975
otherwise known as the Sunshine Law.

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Roll call.
>> Paul Meyer

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Jose Abreu
>> Here.

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» Jeff Paletti
Ken Schlae

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» Here.
>> Jose Medeiros

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» Here.
>> Phil Bellan

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» Here.
>> Grace Anne

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» Here.
>> Fred Nelson

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» Here.
>> Ryan MacIntyre

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» Here.
>> Alexa Carnahan

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» Here.
>> Stephen Lorenzo

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» Here.
>> Daniel McDonald

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» Here.
>> Brad Plowman

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» I'm Dexter.
>> Here.

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» Stewart
>> Please rise for the pledge.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Will there be a roll call of the public?
>> So moved.

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» Second.
>> All those in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Any comments?

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» Yeah. Yeah, uh
I think David Sanders is on the

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Okay, did you guys get the letter from
the Environmental Commission?

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Uh we wrote a letter to the mayor.
>> I was in the Traffic Committee, no. We

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don't have that.
>> You don't have that. So, it um I can

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send it to you. If at the Traffic
Committee, he didn't have it out because

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he said it was only in We're only
advisory, which is true. But, I I don't

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mind sending it to you. And also, we had
attached a model ordinance from

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Commissioner Kern, I think, Warren
County. So, I can send that all

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email it to Monica, but I was wondering
if you would like me to uh read it

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during your your comment at that time
when you get get to that agenda item.

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Okay.
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» Very good.
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Yeah, you might as well do it now so we
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stand here.
I didn't have a chance to make copies or

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email and search.
Hello mayor mayor, as members of the

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environmental commission we have been
concerned about the rapidly growing

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development of data centers across the
state and the country. We have examined

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the pros and cons of the development of
data centers in Bethlehem Township and

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have come to the conclusion that the
negatives far outweigh any positives. We

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urge the Township committee to enact an
immediate ban or long-term moratorium on

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the allowance of data centers within our
municipality. While often framed as

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clean tech investments, evidence from
across the country reveals that data

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centers operate as resource intensive
intensive industrial buildings that

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offer negligible permanent employee
employment while placing an

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unsustainable strain on environment,
community, and infrastructure. We

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request that you consider the following
evidence-based arguments for a ban.

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Number one, unsustainable resource
consumption.

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Even small data centers consume hundreds
of thousands of gallons of water daily.

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This is particularly concerning for our
Township whose residents rely 100% on

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ground water from aquifers and
frequently face

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Number two, strain on the energy grid
and increased energy costs. These

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facilities use excessive amounts of
electrical energy. This results in

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residential electric electricity rate
hikes due to a higher demand and cost of

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infrastructure improvements to
accommodate the increased load. Number

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three, job minimal job creation. Unlike
traditional industrial sectors, data

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centers are non-labor intensive. While
construction creates temporary roles, a

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finished facility will provide very few
jobs, many of which are low-wage

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security or maintenance. Number four,
health and quality of life impacts.

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Residents living near existing data
centers report constant low-frequency

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noise pollution from cooling fans and
air quality issues from industrial size

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diesel backup generators.
These generators emit nitrogen oxides

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and particulate matter linked to
respiratory and heart disease.

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Number five, environmental impact. The
heated wastewater leaving the facility

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would create new pathways and increase
the surface water temperature to the

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wetlands and
and repairing zones, which would have a

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drastic effect on wetland and stream
ecology. This would impact the water

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that recharges aquifers that supply
residential drinking water, as well as

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Spruce Run Reservoir and the
Musconetcong River. Number six, heat

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islands. Increased ambient temperatures
are being experienced for miles

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surrounding by data centers. The
increased localized heat burden is a

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nuisance for neighbors with increased
cooling costs. The potential respiratory

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health effects
on people and potential environmental

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impacts of the disrupted ecosystems due
to these microclimates are still

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unknown.
Number seven, pollution impact. If a

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closed-loop cooling system is utilized,
the water used to cool the facility

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usually contains PFAS coolants
compounds, which when they leak or need

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to be drained, will end up in the
aquifer and further contaminate the

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drinking water for residents.
Number eight, public impact. These

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facilities are giant windowless
structures that offer no public

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amenities, diminish property values to
the surrounding areas, and would ruin

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the quiet character of our community.
Bethlehem Township should prioritize the

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long-term stewardship of our water,
power, and land for the benefit of

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residents, rather than subsidizing the
expansion of tech corporations and

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chasing ratables. We urge the Township
Committee to follow the lead of other

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forward-thinking communities and protect
our future by banning this industrial

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use. Warren County Commissioner Curran
has drafted a model ordinance attached.

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Municipalities across Warren County,
across New Jersey, and across the

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country have recognized that these types
of developments are not good neighbors

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and have passed ordinance this year
banning data centers in their community

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due to all the factors listed above. We
strongly encourage the Bethlehem

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Township Committee to adopt an ordinance
to codify a ban on data centers in our

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municipality.
Thank you for letting me leave.

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» Can I Can I Can I ask you a question?
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» Did you
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environmental commission identify
anywhere where these could be built in

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Bethlehem?
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from that point of view, but we were
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small ones as well. Like, I know Mayor
Mirror had mentioned the cornfield right

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on 173. Came to the environmental
commission as a matter of fact. I

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mentioned that specific property. I
don't know if it can be built there or

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not. I don't We didn't address that. We
were just kind of in general trying to

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encourage the township to be ahead of
it rather than be proactive because

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sometimes are being sued right now. I
think Andover and another one because

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they waited and then the developer comes
in. So, no, we did not look at specific

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properties or is it feasible or not. We
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Just like warehouses, you know, have to
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» Yeah, I mean, no warehouses is actually
able to be built in Bethlehem.

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» Well, because we put that in our master
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» No, not in the master plan. Yes, we did.
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» We did put it in the master plan.
>> We did, guys.

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» That's all I'm saying.
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Yeah.
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too.
>> Yep, we know that.

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» The planning area. Highlands planning
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» Yeah, but that that isn't
That wouldn't be contiguous.

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» and that is not a question.
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trying to have the township be proactive
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» Okay,
thank you. Thank you.

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» I agree with your sentiments that
the idea, I just wonder whether or not

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it's just, you know, an ordinance
looking for something to ban because I

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just don't think that it can happen in
our town, but you

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» Until it happens.
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» It never got approved in the past.
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» is the impervious coverage of that is
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» Yeah.
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coverage in Highlands to to approve it.
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the preservation area, there's no way
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» The only advantage is you probably need
less parking lot

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for the warehouse.
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» But I think it's just like when we talk
about warehouses, putting all of our

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eggs in basket of God is will save us is
probably not wise. Cuz you just don't

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know. Everything
>> guaranteed that it's going to it can

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change. The administration can change.
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our own ship.
>> Except the Highlands has saved this

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through
probably the the most adverse

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administrations through the Highlands
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nobody was ever able to get around the
Highlands. Just as nobody's been able to

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ever get around the Pinelands.
And the Pinelands is where

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um
you know, it's it's really the what the

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model for the Highlands and the
restrictions in the Pinelands you know,

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are incredible.
You know, and they they and they have

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been around for 50 years, not just, you
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» They have plenty.
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» It's still open.
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» So, so first of all, there are some
going into Pinelands. Woodland has one.

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Second of all, in the Highlands, there's
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If so, it has to be 70% impervious
coverage or the Highlands can determine

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this parcel is is can be developed. So,
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even today loopholes that can skirt
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» And Brian, well put too because
never say never. All How many times have

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we seen things become inherently
beneficial? May not be a huge one, but

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inherently beneficial. How many of us
use our cell phone? How many times do we

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need
data centers to be honest, right?

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Otherwise, things will stop.
Everything's growing. And never say

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never. All of a sudden, something that
wasn't all of a sudden is inherently

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beneficial and can
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be allowed.
Just saying.

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» Well, we did this building in China.

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» I mean, there there there is also
discussion about having

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um
smaller servers within homes.

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That's something else that's that's
that's coming down like. So, I mean,

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they'll
Yeah, they'll offer a certain amount of

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money a month for you to host a couple
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So, that I mean, the power usage is
still going to be used. It's just going

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to be dispersed out like
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Yeah, it's
I don't know if that's something that we

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want to look at with the possibility of
of that coming down. It's not a full

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Yeah, full size data center, but you
know, if everybody has five or six

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servers in each one of our houses,
you know, thousands.

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» But, there are certain things that, you
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Our water supply. What if we got a water
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uh uh
incidents of potential pollution of

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water. And it goes right back into
you know, and and that's exactly what

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the Highlands
was designed to address. And that's why

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that's why the high and the the
Highlands was such a strong

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uh
uh law because they they had a lot of

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proof behind it that, you know, we are
the water source for the the majority of

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New Jersey. And so, you have to protect
that water source. And so, I mean, you

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know,
a lot of you here don't remember what it

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was like before the Highlands went
through. We were constantly being

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bombarded with development every single
meeting.

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You know, development after development
after development was looking to come

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into this town. And the day the
Highlands went through, that all

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stopped.
So, I mean, you know,

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I appreciate that the Highlands was
passed because it it not only did it

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stop a lot of overdevelopment in this
area, but it also, you know,

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it is it is
the legal protection that we really

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fight a lot of things under today. And I
think that that's something that that we

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need to keep in mind. And you know, I
I have no

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If if a if if any
uh data center wanted to come within 10

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miles of me, I think I would probably
not be happy about it.

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But at the same time, I think that in
Bethlehem Township, we have the

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protection that we need. Um and I'm not
one for really writing laws

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for something that, you know, that isn't
a possibility. If I saw a possibility of

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this, I would certainly want to do
something about it.

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» Thank you.
>> I would just like that I I think the way

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Ryan said it is best, and that is I'd
rather to the driver of your own bus. I

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think you're your own bus.
Again, what hap- Again, I

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I know what ifs, but
let's say it gets, you know, they wipe I

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mean,
is it unlikely? Sure. What if they get

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rid of the Highlands? Whatever. And then
we have no protection. And then, you

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know, I don't know I'd rather have
Personally, I'd rather be the driver of

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our own bus. That's just my opinion.
>> If they got rid of the Highlands, we

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would have plenty of notice.
>> Yeah.

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» And then we could pass all sorts of
things to make sure that And then, you

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know, we would certainly be much more
justified in defending the money that

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these sorts of
You know, cuz this this law

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in this form of business is not going to
be free. It's something that we have to

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pay for. And I just don't see what it is
that we're stopping

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at this point. You know, we we've got to
be careful.

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» Is there any way we could assess where
one could be built built or I mean,

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could they get
>> I know the environmental issues didn't

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look at it in that detail. We're just
trying to be proactive from a general

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point of view. Similar to the
warehouses. And never say never

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something can be built. Look at the
industrial zone on 173 that gets fire

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consumption, which is now industrial
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» The passive thing that is in the in
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in the what?
>> Most pre-existing.

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» Yeah.
>> I I agree with you both say that

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Highlands were one of the best things
that ever happened, especially for our

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area.
However, we're not just talking now 10,

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20, 30 years out. We're talking about
what could happen in the future. Well, I

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can
communities and states are making where

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these, no matter what size the data
center is, it has to be self-sufficient.

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Now, oh, I mean, I'm not an engineer by
no means. But who's to say if someone

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comes before and says, "Now, new
technology, I tap into this one's water

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supply down in Clinton. They allow me
to. I can come up here or over here or

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somebody, you know, down over in Warren
County. Yeah, we can do the water

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supply.
They'll We'll go in. And again, getting

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back to that inherently beneficial,
it's permitted. You I I do not know. I

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don't have a crystal ball either.
Although sometimes I'm called a witch,

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but I'm not.
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» What about the future? Not just talking
about ourselves.

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Talking about like we talk about
perpetuity and things like that.

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Can you head off something perhaps? Can
you put a price on that?

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» You know, I I sort of agree.
What do we wait until they come here and

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ask?
What You know, somebody developer comes

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in and builds a data center. We don't
have where

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I'm just saying.
>> It It has to be something that could be

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going into that area.
We are entirely in the preservation area

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and our in our development area is also
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the overlay.
And the overlay was done only

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for a specific purpose and it cannot be
industrial.

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I mean it it's again, we're we're
writing a law for something that can't

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happen in our town. If it ever gets to
the point where they can happen in our

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town, then we have time to to put this
law into effect.

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» Uh so I don't want to short-circuit the
conversation. So I'm going to listen to

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both of you. Sharon, we we held this
discussion Thursday night at our

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committee meeting. We had quite a few
people come out. Uh a lot of block

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counters, but
I I'll admit I didn't look at our agenda

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for tonight, otherwise I would have
reached out and asked. Uh I got to just

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give it to the mayor Mayor O'Rourke.
We're going to be taking action on both

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items.
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regarding data centers, yes, it's almost
impossible to put a data center in

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Bethlehem Township where there is only
office and storage already are.

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But, we want to make sure. And the
public safety members

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very much in the favor of doing that.
Uh, and yes, you would take on the cost

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of that, but
we have tablets that we can use. So, our

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attorney's already working on an
ordinance. We're going to introduce it

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at the township committee level. It will
come here to the master plan and

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conformance. And we would like to have
that passed before the end of the year.

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That, just
while we're on it, uh,

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the real rules are coming back as well.
So, we need to update some of the uh,

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storm water ordinances. So, those are
the two things that need to get done

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before the
come from the committee first, and then

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come here for master plan and
conformance and any other comments which

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would go back to the committee that need
to be done before the end of the year.

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» Sounds like a good plan. So, uh, just
going back to your point though, what if

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someone came in and bought
uh, Summit

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or
>> Summit Supply.

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» Bought the old warehouse on the other
side of the train tracks from him,

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bought out Charlie, bought out Fox
people, bought Fuel Ox,

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and
built those four existing buildings. I

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mean, that's a lot of square footage,
right? And put them and connected them

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all to the same network. They're not far
apart. That's going to generate a lot of

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noise and use a lot of water in existing
commercial buildings.

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» There's a They They converted that from
from what they are now.

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» Correct. To what they are now.
>> Do we have anything to stop that from

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happening?
>> I don't know that it would be

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I I guess that that would be
Yeah, that would be a change in use.

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» But, they're all commercial properties,
aren't they?

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» But, that doesn't mean the use is the is
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» We got a commercial as a defined use.
And that That center is not one of them.

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So, theoretically, I'm not the land use
law by not permitting that to be

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disallowed automatically. So, So, I my
caveat is it's not allowed.

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The comment that we made at the last
community meeting is everybody's we

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share here on it and every property
owner has the right to do at least try

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to do what they think they should do
with their property, which is why the

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variance process exists. So somebody
could purchase that, nobody could take

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away their right to come here for a
variance for that is on earth if they

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would so choose. So that's why the
ordinance

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» Just How do we define data center?
>> That's the key to the

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That's the key to the ordinance. So
Actually, I'll give Ken credit cuz he's

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throwing a wrench to our to our plans
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a lot of what we're deciding about the
size because theoretically, let's say

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you're a financial advisor and you have
a heavy duty you have a server in your

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home to work with a client, that's a
small data center.

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And so that's what was brought up as how
do we define We have This is going to be

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geared towards things that are not in
homes right now and we may need to uh

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look at that in the future because we
didn't think about kind of these you

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know, maybe there's a way to do small
connectivity data centers, but we also

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don't want to preclude somebody who has
a you know, professional or some other

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business that needs a small server in
their home. Like our our building here

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would be considered a data center based
on the size of the server that's that's

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managing your household.
So how how do that

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and
run something through our own ordinances

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by the next

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» This is a good point.
>> Can a school be considered a small

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» It'd be the same. I'm sure their servers
probably match what ours is.

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» I think I think that any government
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» But I
>> But how do you get to the point where

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you're going to police what people can
put in their homes?

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» And you know what it comes down to you
mean

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» You want me to go on?
>> You see what

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going right back to
the heating, the cooling, the amount of

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energy use, you know,
all of the sudden, you know, you you go

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from a 200-amp service and now you need
to have 600-amp service part of your

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house.
Yeah, you can do that without a battery

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at the at the at the home. So, I don't
know if anyone comes to us. Yeah, yeah.

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That that would never even come
>> Do you know your home or your basement?

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Can I say that you know let's maybe say
something you know, you can't hear it so

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you're silent. We don't know what's
there. We're not out policing.

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Um we hope that people do comply and and
if you if for some reason you aren't

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complying with the day we ask for
compliance, but the technology is going

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to change. I mean, even now Xfinity
you know, you don't realize you look at

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your cable contract. Your your boxes
that's why you don't have your own

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router in your own house anymore.
Um their Xfinity phone system somebody

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pulls into your street you're an Xfinity
customer part of your data is actually

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dedicated to the smart event system. Uh
it's one of their their nodes. You you

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sign the trip right on the contract. Uh
Denver that's the probably country is

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like in Tokyo barely has any cell tower
or 5G service. They're so that's the

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problem with the phones themselves.
Create a mesh network. Everybody's

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carrying their own network within within
these densely populated areas. So, right

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now it's the Wi-Fi but eventually cell
service may do the same. And then I got

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my own little problem.
>> You got a Comcast or any other year?

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» I don't know.
>> It's Comcast.

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» I don't know. I don't know what I have
with this stupid thing that's built in.

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» I think you have the choice to put your
own in your own

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» I guess I'm trying to say you know
>> I read the contract completely.

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» I have one one
>> He's not a sucker for saying they use

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the sewer.
>> How do we know that they're in the

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sewer? Has anybody seen them in the
accounts?

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» You know, a lot of times it's a lot of
propaganda.

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» Well, they do. I mean, you can do open
loop systems or closed loop systems.

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» And she did get back. You can absolutely
have a completely closed loop system

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that's not using
>> But then just put it in your own back

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deep into the air, right?
Yeah, which is I mean I mean

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the the data centers
themselves I don't really I'm not a fan.

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Pretty cool. But, you know,
the the thing that I worry about more

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is, you know, you're right, technology
is changing. So,

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how we write that ordinance, how does
that project into the future saying, you

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know, what could be developed into the
future

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that all of a sudden gets all around our
ordinances

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and does the whole the same.
It could amount to smalls.

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» Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
>> I mean, a giant I mean,

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» 50-acre
>> one discussion is already past anywhere.

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Just, you know, you put four servers in
your house and you're going to get a

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thousand dollars a month of acre in
that.

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You know, you start throwing around to
every single person, you know, you're

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not doing you're not you're not
controlling it. You're controlling this

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stuff remotely.
But, if you're going to get a thousand

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thousand thousand thousand, all of a
sudden everybody in town's going to be

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putting servers in.
I mean,

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» And it's the same thing that happened
with the cell towers themselves.

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» Yeah.
>> The apartments in the cities.

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They're holding the space that they even
if they don't use it, the space that and

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money that makes for those land owners
on those apartment buildings.

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» That that's that's a really good example
because 4G needed towers.

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5G has nodes that are on telephone poles
all over the place and we can't stop

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them.
You know, so our ordinance that that

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somehow, which wasn't possible to
control because of

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because all of us had our cell phone
with us right now.

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Um
and we also all have computers. So, that

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way it's like, you know, all these
things that we don't want is all well

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and good, but, you know,
unless we're willing to give up our

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computers,
we're going to have these things. And

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I'm all for putting them in China.

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» All right. I think they could go out
them the desert in Arizona or Texas or

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you know where they're like You don't
put them in a

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community. You know, you don't put them
in that area.

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» Yeah.
>> They'll be doing the marketing so what I

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can do
>> What is that called?

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» Raw watts.
>> Um that's supposedly for a data center.

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» Um
>> There's a lot of

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people that live right there and I don't
think that's a smart place to do it.

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Does New Jersey need a data center at
all? I don't know.

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» Oh, yeah.
>> The proximity of the data center is

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important, right? It's it's Microsoft or
whoever big companies building them.

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It doesn't matter really where it is as
long as it's connected to

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» means that they have wires going to And
so a lot of this is regional. Since it's

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why we have power plants regionalized.
>> But data centers are so much

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Data can travel a long distance real
fast. As long as you can

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» It's three hours it's three hours from
now that somebody on a plane would be

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getting in Arizona saying we need to
protect our open space.

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» But but I
I justify

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or not justified there and not justified
here, right? If if the desert

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desert needs to be protected and certain
desert towns shouldn't touch

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that word.
>> I think most of them they're going to

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want to build them close
>> The stuff is not always available.

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» Well, that
>> and the power plant.

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» I was going to say the real factor is
the

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business
the power so they need they actually

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need their own both substations. So it's
depending on whatever the power company

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is willing to to put with the power and
the water is kind of secondary because

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they're both in the system that they
really need. So

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» No. Yeah.
>> I think you got to bring up with the

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chance to meet Thursday night.
>> So so at least we maybe we start that.

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That's the benefit not having reliable
of

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» Don't bring your data center here or
we'll be out of power.

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» A lot of them
have packages of self-provisioning

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stations.
>> Uh

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you know, I haven't seen the data with
uh our our attorney and engineer both

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work with municipalities and have banned
uh data centers over you know, here in

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Hunterdon and other places.
They used to have I think it was only

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one I think it was like only 25, maybe
it's 30 at this point.

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» I think it's 26 at Bandom and then um
there's like

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many more that are in
>> Yeah, I think there's only like four in

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Hunterdon right now. So, I think it's I
think it's the uh I think it's smart at

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least to have something
passed through it before the end of the

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year to get it started.
Uh and maybe uh our our chairman is very

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proficient in reviewing ordinances. I
know you've done that before, so maybe

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we put on some
declarations to look like every every 18

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months to review this or every year or
something or other like that.

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» Yeah, I don't know how how much it
changed, so we can always adjust it.

428
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» Yeah, the thought I had is maybe for
future discussion. I may have been

429
00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:00,080
overthinking this, but
is one of the you know, question I asked

430
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,240
is how do you define a data center,
right? And

431
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,520
how do you define a warehouse? How do
you define a warehouse versus lightning

432
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,240
manufacturing like over in Branchburg,
you know, where they're having that

433
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,920
debate?
And instead of defining a business and

434
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,000
then
saying we don't want that,

435
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:22,320
we're better off
writing ordinances against

436
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,520
the characteristics of businesses that
we don't want.

437
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:30,600
Massive power consumption, massive
electric usage, huge number of tractor

438
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,720
trailer parking spots or parking spaces.
And don't

439
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,760
» Well, there is what you call
>> But then you have to define huge.

440
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,680
» Well, I'll I'll give you a number.
I don't know what the I don't know off

441
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,160
the top of my head how much a data
center

442
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,000
» water it uses to me.
>> I don't know if you know what a Yeah,

443
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:49,040
that's what a four family four person
residential house uses for water, but we

444
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:53,520
can easily come up with numbers and say
if your business you know if you go to a

445
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,120
restaurant I used to own one and I tried
to look at their water bill and see what

446
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:01,160
we went through in the restaurant and
brewed our own beer. Whatever we could

447
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:04,320
come up with numbers and say you know,
if you're in business or a new business

448
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,840
coming in, we're going to put a water
meter on it and this is what water

449
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,000
consumption is limited to. Like you
can't go over this or something along I

450
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,000
don't know. I'm not saying I have the
right answer. The point is what what are

451
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,520
we concerned about? We're concerned
about water usage, concerned about

452
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,720
electric usage, we're concerned about,
you know, drainage and stuff like that.

453
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,440
So if we
address the problems without putting a

454
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,560
label on it, is that a better way to go?
That's just kind of a

455
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,360
» That was the sole discussion. So there's
an idea there is a

456
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,200
our attorney and engineer who said we
had two paths in the ordinance just to

457
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,720
to ban as centers. I think it's like all
you ban data set data centers and then

458
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:46,680
put some definitions under it or
conditional ordinance which then defines

459
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,120
the conditions you're trying to avoid.
Yeah, for that. And so I think you know

460
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,640
there's an idea like yeah, we would ban
data centers and and and that's nice and

461
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,440
clear and it's easy. I think the
conditional ordinance may be a little

462
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:03,680
more complicated but may serve our
purposes better. And so uh you know, I'm

463
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,720
hoping to have something our next
meeting is September 3rd. First of all I

464
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:11,200
got to try I I think maybe I've been to
second September meeting before we

465
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,480
introduce this or at least have the
first discussion and then introduce it

466
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,000
in our first meeting in October to make
sure we have the time to

467
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,600
» It's like the statement is simple.
>> Yeah, so so so there will be some some

468
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:26,800
review and things in this. And then of
course comes here. So there will be a

469
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,960
lot of thoughts here as well. I remember
the fence ordinance I thought it would

470
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,520
be nice and smooth and that and you guys
figured out two hours worth of

471
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,760
discussion and that and you appreciate I
really do appreciate that. Yeah, I must

472
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,000
say I appreciate it.
>> I agree with

473
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,560
» I'm not saying that I agree with
you here but I'm just saying in the

474
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,720
future for any other situation in
itself. Be aware of what an error is to

475
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,800
be made.
>> It's not the fine substance, don't

476
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,960
define it. Attack the issue.
>> I agree, sir. Go back.

477
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:57,560
» I I believe that that
the way

478
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:02,080
our board is supposed to work is exactly
that, that we have, you know, we just

479
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:06,880
define it. A lot of those things in our
master plan, which is why we always ask

480
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,600
whether or not, you know,
our

481
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:16,640
ordinances conform to our master plan.
And so, you know, all those things, you

482
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:21,200
know, everything that that that the
that the that was

483
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:25,600
stipulated about what we don't like
about data centers,

484
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:31,240
I agree with. And, you know, and and
it's part of

485
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:36,160
the basis for why we we could ban
data centers. And, you know, but those

486
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:41,200
things should actually also be in our
master

487
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:45,320
plan to give heat to the to any ban that
we had. Cuz any ban that we put

488
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:49,680
together, we could say we don't like
data centers, which is not a way that

489
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,680
you're supposed to do
zoning.

490
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:57,440
Zoning is supposed to be done because
there are reasons that you've already

491
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:03,560
articulated in the master plan that say
why it is that this use should not be

492
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:08,200
allowed. And as long as we have those
those

493
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:13,480
excuses or those those reasons already
in our master plan, then we're much

494
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:19,080
safer. We could say that we don't want
data centers because of all the reasons

495
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:24,520
that they articulated. And and that
gives us the defense that we need in

496
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,200
court, so that when we do get sued, we
can win.

497
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,880
» That might actually be really the the
best reason to support more of a

498
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,760
conditional ordinance than something
more specific to data centers. Because

499
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,800
if you think about a master plan, you
talk about protecting resources and the

500
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:42,160
natural environment and all that other
stuff which would really pull very

501
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,600
neatly into that kind of information.
>> Right.

502
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,920
» And it is going to change like we were
talking about earlier what the data

503
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,160
center is going to be like 5 years from
now.

504
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,800
What is the building going to be like in
the next 15 years? They're watching and

505
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,160
they're going to be probably obsolete.
>> Well, they can be turned turned into a

506
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,400
warehouse.
>> A year ago we were talking about all

507
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,200
this stuff and who knows what we're
going to be talking about a year from

508
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,400
now. Who knows what we're going to be
talking about a year from now.

509
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960
» Everyone

510
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,880
» This is this is the end result. Exactly.
That's exactly right. Just like buying

511
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,640
things from Amazon, we're dealing with
warehouses.

512
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:27,640
So, that's that is a problem. We're all
using these components.

513
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:32,440
And they have to go somewhere, but we
don't want them. But yet, we're still

514
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:35,160
willing to to buy products from battery
companies.

515
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,920
And we still want to be able to have our
phone in the same

516
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:42,520
Yes, chat GPT with the answers.
>> I mean, I always thought

517
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,400
I always thought that the chat GPT was
such nonsense. Who needs this stuff, you

518
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:53,000
know? And then my wife started using it
to help design our new house. And it's

519
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:57,160
like you know, it's amazing. You tell it
you want this, that, the other thing and

520
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:01,800
it just draws out something that an
architect would have charged you

521
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:05,440
thousands of dollars to do. And all of a
sudden it's there. And if you don't like

522
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,919
it, just change what you don't like. You
just tell it.

523
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,520
And that's the thing, you know, it it is
>> amazing.

524
00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:15,080
» We use it all the time on the farm to
calculate fertilizer and stuff.

525
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,679
» Yeah.
>> It's so it's so much fun.

526
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,760
» All right, any emotional close to the
ball?

527
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,520
» So moved.
>> Seconded.

528
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:39,240
All in favor.
>> I think we already had our discussion.

529
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,240
» I was all the same.

530
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:47,200
» So, um
the committee's going to write something

531
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,960
up and then we'll just have to be a
minute

532
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:53,679
uh not in consistent
>> Yeah, it'll come in front of us.

533
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,880
» Okay.
>> Our discussion points.

534
00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:02,000
We're back.
Actually, they can they can take some

535
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,320
» There's another
>> All right.

536
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,880
» All right, let's do minutes.
July 27th, 2016.

537
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:21,040
I'll make a motion to approve the
minutes for July 27th, 2016.

538
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,040
» Second.

539
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,520
» Further discussion?
All those in favor?

540
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,800
» Aye.
>> Yes.

541
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,800
Seconds? Abstain?

542
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:44,400
We
are working

543
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:50,200
That didn't go in there.
No comments?

544
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,200
» I just have a question.

545
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,200
Is

546
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:02,000
» I'll be able to pick it up, so the
echoes are better than that.

547
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:06,680
» Is an amendment to the master plan more
effective than writing an ordinance?

548
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:11,560
minutes
>> That is fine. That's just a suggestion,

549
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,560
but how can I ignore the master plan?

550
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:21,720
» So, the ordinance then, if the vision
for the future doesn't match whatever is

551
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,240
on the board, can be amended?
>> Correct.

552
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,480
» Okay.
Thank you.

553
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,640
» 20
That was the word the justification you

554
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,640
were

555
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,240
We had a discussion with

556
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,320
Any other comments?
Anyone ready to close?

557
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,400
» So moved.
>> Second.

558
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,480
» All in favor.
Yes.

559
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,600
» Yes.
>> The only thing else

560
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:07,400
So, thank you for that. Here, it's good
to hear the planning board members share

561
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:10,960
their thoughts. The public was straight
by our commission. Thank you for putting

562
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,440
together the initial letter.
Good turnout of the public that shared

563
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,880
as well.
And on Zoom. The other thing that we

564
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:23,760
brought up were block changes.
Again, and then do we regulate those?

565
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:29,280
That will be coming here for ordinance.
What we're going to create is what I'm

566
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:32,440
calling a resolution of responsibility.
Well,

567
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,840
a velocity cam. They're
They're just like any other camera

568
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,440
essentially except their technology is
uh

569
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:42,040
geared towards government use much more
highly, much more detailed. So, it

570
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:46,120
tracks license plates.
Well, theoretically they track

571
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:49,200
They do the facial recognition. Uh it
tracks your cell phone.

572
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,880
Bluetooth on, it'll know if you have
added a bumper sticker throughout the

573
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:57,920
years. So, you go through exit 12. Uh if
for some reason they wanted to track

574
00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:02,240
you, it it locates your vehicle uh
very accurately. Uh

575
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:07,120
It's a show device. Yeah, so the
challenge is uh is definitely fourth

576
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:10,960
amendment issues around them as well as
privacy and

577
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:15,880
I kind of share I think a lot of people
want to battle actually for for privacy

578
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:19,520
and and and well, you know, the
moral and private lifestyle. So, I did

579
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,960
share back on past. We we don't have a
law enforcement uh

580
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:28,680
built in with the with the state police.
There are no flight cameras in Bethlehem

581
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:35,520
Township. There's two uh that actually
12 and one on corner 579 and 173 in

582
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,960
Bloomsburg. Um but the least at least
the one that actually one of those is

583
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,560
actually 12 in neighboring Bloomsburg
are are run by the

584
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,760
under county rescue office.
We even if we created an ordinance to

585
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,400
say that we don't want these cameras
here, we don't have jurisdiction. Uh and

586
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,120
and so
uh really what we're just asking for

587
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,280
with this resolution of responsibility
that we just sent to the county

588
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,000
council's office and the legislator is
just asking about responsible use of the

589
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,560
cameras cuz that's what what's
concerning. Um and also what's the

590
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:08,240
actual status of of kind of all this
monitoring We can't ban them. Can't ban

591
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:11,160
them cuz we don't have any jurisdiction.
Um so, that's what I wanted to They're

592
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:16,360
all on private property. They are not on
173. They actually put them on Private

593
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:21,000
private No, you say it also uh
This this is private business allowed to

594
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,960
have. We can't we can't tell a private
business or a house that they can't have

595
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,040
a
camera and the state police wanted to be

596
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:31,920
able to have access to your camera if
you're you're you're using the camera.

597
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,840
I'll say some some that can be useful.
Some more densely populated

598
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:38,120
municipalities that that are trying to
monitor crime are actually when people

599
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,920
come to the planning board part of their
site plan is they they the requirement

600
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,840
is you have to put two of these cameras
up or whatever they are so the police

601
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,440
have access to your parking lots and
monitor what you're what you're doing.

602
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:52,360
So,
actually certain municipalities are very

603
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:57,200
much in favor of them.
They help with car theft. They they help

604
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:01,600
with you know, I I would imagine home
theft as well tracking vehicles. They

605
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,160
help with uh
the silver alerts, the older folks that

606
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,480
that they get lost and track cars pretty
easily. But it really is the the

607
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,120
regulation who can use them, when you
can use them, how long information is

608
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,200
saved.
I just want to like

609
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,120
the the data storage came from the my
non-commissioned block camera during the

610
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,840
meeting.
asking

611
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,880
do we do we have these in West Bethel
Township? Who put them up? Was it

612
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,960
government? We I share we have cameras
at the park. They're not in block

613
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,920
cameras. We don't need that I do
technology.

614
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,400
They're they're very similar to what you
have in your home if you have a

615
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:39,080
We have cameras in the community center
mostly because

616
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,800
unfortunately we're facing more and more
storms and we've been opening that I

617
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:47,040
don't think I've ever seen that center
open as much as it has been for uh

618
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:51,480
for for shelters and sheltering
purposes. And so we have three cameras

619
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,880
in there just just monitor the space as
it's used for shelter. The same thing

620
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,440
they're not facial recognition. They're
not they're just they record and right

621
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,920
over the back of 30 days and it goes
away. Our block will store data for

622
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:06,040
three years and
it's very detailed. So, um it's just

623
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,600
those were the two
potential ordinance issues and then

624
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:14,080
there's again no ordinance on blocks.
We're going to try to start some sort of

625
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:18,840
movement on responsible use
installation of that technology.

626
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,880
Uh that's an original ordinance and then
our engineer did share the the uh real

627
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:27,520
rules
were not held in this uh some additions

628
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:32,960
to our normal order that we'll need to
adopt by um which I find ridiculous. I

629
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:36,160
love New Jersey. January 20th of 20
27.

630
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,960
Um but you can't introduce an ordinance
and cross over a year and you can't

631
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,320
introduce an ordinance and pass it on
January 20. So I'm not sure why they

632
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,840
picked that date. So that's why I
request we get this has to be approved

633
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:49,800
before the end of the year.
So those are

634
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:54,120
major updates from the
>> And even the Flock

635
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:58,120
regular video cameras are not Flock
cameras. The data that they pick up can

636
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,200
be converted to Flock
>> Yeah, there is there's there's there's

637
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,960
there's there's a lot to it. But I
wanted to address that.

638
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:10,480
So the president knew it could be if you
weren't ignoring it and then we weren't

639
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,360
you know,
proactively supporting it either. It's

640
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,400
something that we don't necessarily need
in Bethlehem

641
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,960
but you know, we state police and the
prosecutor's office I'm sure we're going

642
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:24,800
to keep putting them on state and county
roads and uh

643
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:29,040
there is there's that that is deep dot
dot com or something. It's it's the it's

644
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:32,520
a advocacy group tracking the cameras.
So it's pretty interesting. You know

645
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:35,720
that type of zip code wherever you are
in Bethlehem

646
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,400
and search the area.
Um you know, I shared you know, I had

647
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:41,760
gone all those shopping centers.
You know, Lowe's and everybody else

648
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,280
there's at least two cameras in every
single parking lot.

649
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,720
It's an old map. Two cameras in the
corners of the buildings and then the

650
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:53,040
the deep dot shows you the kind of the
angles that they record as well.

651
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:56,200
» But insurance companies are now asking
for

652
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,320
any of those any of that information if
he was to claim that he had an accident

653
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,000
like in an apartment lot or anything
like that. They're looking at this.

654
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,880
» Yeah, of course.
>> And any

655
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:11,040
» The truth of the matter is is that you
know, the crime rate in this country has

656
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:14,600
never been lower than it is the last 10
years.

657
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:19,320
And, you know, body cameras didn't do
that. You know,

658
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:22,920
and now we're introducing all these
these 1984

659
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,640
» That's your brother.
>> Big Brother type stuff. And it's like

660
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,120
» Is he an alien?
>> Yeah.

661
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,440
» Well, but it's like why do we need this
stuff when

662
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,880
» We don't already They needed to control.
>> Yes.

663
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,880
» Then it's house and safety and
protection.

664
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,880
» Oh, right.

665
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:50,720
» And then uh
>> Nothing else uh for now.

666
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,800
» I'm going to stop reading there after
the third actually cuz I'm not actually

667
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,720
reading.
>> I'm pretty sure we need that.

668
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,600
» I'm not sure if
>> Don't get it twisted.

669
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,400
» Don't get it twisted.
>> Back to 4:00.

670
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,920
» We're having a party this Friday for all
ages. Movie fireworks and movie

671
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:09,160
fireworks impress me.
>> Mhm.

672
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,160
» We're going to do fireworks. The DNA is
>> Very explicit.

673
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,320
» Yeah.
>> I've got the best view of the back porch

674
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,920
and actually see the
>> Yeah, you can do that.

675
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,080
» Yeah, that's our backyard. You can do
that.

676
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:27,480
» Save me a seat for years.
>> Unless you're invited to fall over

677
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,480
there.

678
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,720
» Uh yeah, it's something to do with the
airport.

679
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,640
» Uh so so
you can the subcommittee met. Uh we have

680
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,640
a lot of questions.
>> Is it okay if I speak now?

681
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,440
» Um
Um we have a lot of questions. This

682
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,440
property is is entirely
within the 150-ft

683
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,400
um
um

684
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,560
» I think we need to talk about the
setbacks.

685
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:59,320
» setback. And so
um we are concerned about um

686
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:06,240
» the nation.
>> D Well, D B has a

687
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:09,640
uh letter in the packet that says that
all these conditions do exist and then

688
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,000
it needs
and that this would need a DEP permit.

689
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,520
Um
and

690
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:22,240
we did not think
that it would be possible to get a DEP

691
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:27,160
permit under the conditions that this is
under at this point. So

692
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:31,640
uh we do have some questions for Tom as
for them

693
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:35,880
as to whether or not um
this is actually and there's any way

694
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:40,000
that this can be done.
Um and to that end we kind of feel that

695
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:44,720
it's a bit of a waste of time of our
time

696
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:49,440
to even review this until we know that
they do have

697
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,400
» It's a legal applicant find that
>> Right.

698
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,720
» Yeah.
>> Is this question at Mark Arndt?

699
00:46:53,120 --> 00:47:00,000
» Yeah.
>> Okay. So that is our general

700
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,200
view of this whole thing.
>> Yeah.

701
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,520
Do we have to run that by the attorney
or what?

702
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,840
» Oh yeah, good. So we're going to
schedule schedule. We have a

703
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,560
hearing scheduled
>> The same one again for the 19th.

704
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:16,560
» 26th.
>> 26th.

705
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,800
» The hearing being the 26th.
>> That would be the 26th.

706
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,320
» Yeah.
>> September 26th. It it It will show this

707
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:27,840
this property did appear before us so we
can ask the attorney some clarification

708
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:31,520
on this but because our process I agree
we don't want to waste your time but our

709
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:35,920
our process is
if you if approval's granted it's

710
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:40,520
granted.
Or you know we would get the final

711
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:46,000
agency approvals as well.
We are a fresh staff so I I don't know

712
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:48,800
if you have the ability to preempt it
because again this is this property came

713
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,720
before us
and our attorney and this is one of the

714
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:58,240
reasons we found our one of our previous
municipal zoning attorney Cara

715
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:03,600
represented landscape burner who came
before I saw this property

716
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:07,960
and did not go there because uh they
ended up with uh DP issues they couldn't

717
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,000
resolve. I don't know if somebody's
going to die differently this time or

718
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,520
there's some objections,
um but I I don't know if we have the

719
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,320
right to uh
Ted, if you don't want to we can't hear

720
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,040
it.
>> We've had numerous people come in here

721
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,120
and then disappear.
>> Yeah.

722
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,200
» For different things. One guy fixed four
clubs.

723
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,880
Nobody else.
>> On that property?

724
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,400
» Yeah.
>> Okay, so

725
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,800
» They just disappeared and they found out
that they had to go through

726
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,960
» the DPT section.
>> Yeah, I mean that may be the case. I

727
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,320
just don't know if we I mean I mean they
they

728
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:42,960
they have done quite a bit.
>> It seems they paid for it all and so

729
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:47,120
let's let's let's wait for the hearing
to be done with the difference.

730
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,400
» May I have their ward numbers or
anything?

731
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,040
» Mr. Chairman.
>> All right.

732
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,040
» From they had um they had a sub
committee meeting and they had

733
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,440
questions. Would they be putting them
together and sending them to me so that

734
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:06,680
I can put them in the file
or forwarding them over to the

735
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:10,480
uh the engineer {slash} attorney so that
we have plenty of time for them to

736
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:14,800
respond to the sub committee between now
and the time of the hearing?

737
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:17,000
» All questions have to be addressed at
the proper point which is actually a

738
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,240
hearing.
>> Okay.

739
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,640
» So
>> So then I don't have any

740
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:27,680
» The why they don't think they they
The reason why we do this is that uh

741
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,880
they can keep the applicant when it just
comes in front of us the night of the

742
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:34,640
hearing. We might not be seeing what
they had spent a lot of more time

743
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:38,440
looking at. And so they have more
questions than just the general board

744
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:42,760
members will have. And so then that
conversation can happen they can they

745
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:47,600
can open they can testify to each of
these questions and you know do that.

746
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,720
» There's a word.
>> Come back at a later time, but I think

747
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,080
it's premature to have them to ask a
bunch of questions when it's the

748
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,560
applicant doesn't
have the ability right now to answer

749
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,560
them.

750
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,680
All right.
Do you have anything else for me?

751
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:08,240
Yeah.
>> Just that um I'm not going to be at the

752
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:10,360
meeting uh September 14th.
>> Okay.

753
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,320
We'll be trying to
>> Yeah.

754
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:18,720
» So
uh we should we bring in uh City View?

755
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,160
Is it filling in there?
Yeah, I'll probably

756
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,560
» No, no, no, no.
>> Yeah, but I'm not trying to get the

757
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,000
agenda at this point. Okay.
So you can have the

758
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,640
minutes from the recording or
>> From the recording and from the video.

759
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,960
Yeah, we can do that.
>> If there are any changes, let us know.

760
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,120
» Yeah, I mean if something suddenly comes
onto the agenda,

761
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:40,520
um
and the other thing is is that we um

762
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:45,360
we have the open um
the the application of Castle Lee's that

763
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:49,760
we're we're holding on that for now.
That application for now.

764
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:54,000
» Okay.
>> Okay.

765
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:57,280
» All right. Anything else?
No.

766
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,600
Motion to adjourn?
>> I second.

767
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,040
» All in favor?
>> Aye.

768
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,960
» All right.