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So, I was excited for it. Beautiful picture. Thanks.

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Before I move to live. Thank you, Jim.

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I'll call the meeting to order. Common, the roll call, please.

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Mayor Cassavan. Here.

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Councillor Emhizer. Here.

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Councillor McCurry. Here.

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Councillor Sinks here. Here.

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Councillor Quetrone. Here.

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Councillor Clearwater. Here.

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Councillor Belanger. Here.

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Councillor Reddy. Here.

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Councillor Ortiz. Here.

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Councillor Lessard. Here.

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Thank you. Just with the agenda, what we did, of course, is add a day's short workshop after

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the meeting because of an oversight that had to do with street closures. We'll pick that

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up after this. Consideration to minutes, June 18, 2020.

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Second. Seconded.

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Seconded.

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Discussion? All of you may just raise your hands.

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That is everybody. Thank you.

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Second reading, City Government Budget, fiscal year 21, moved and seconded, discussion, Jim?

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The information I provided to you on Thursday night was wrong. You had not put $500,000

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in there. I think Council Manager was correct when he noted that.

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No.

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So, we've got to amend it back to the original order, which takes 50,000 out of the contingency.

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It puts it back into the general government classification.

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I'll second that.

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I'll second it.

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Anyone from the public like to address that amendment?

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Seeing none, back to the council.

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Council, left side.

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So do we have to do that, or is this just to get us back to where we were, or if

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If we choose as a group to leave it the way that it is, we can do that too.

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What would happen is that I'd have to find $50,000 worth of cuts in the general government

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and all the rest of the lines and would have to make up for the shift.

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That was not what the council or the Budget Committee council did.

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And so when I moved or I asked you to move them based on what I thought you had done,

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and it actually reduced what you would authorize

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in all the other general government categories.

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So it doesn't have an impact on the tax rate,

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it's just which category or which bucket

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is that those are on that appropriation in.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions, comments?

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Seeing none, I'll vote with your electronic hands.

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Mr. Councilor Belanger, Clearwater,

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St. Cyr, Reddy, M. Heizer, Ortiz, McCurry,

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The next item

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is 3.2. Estimated Revenues Fund Balance Appropriations.

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No, we have to do motion as amended.

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Oh, sorry about that. I was reading the wrong screen.

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Any more discussion?

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If you would please raise your electronic hands.

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I see Councilor Sainz here.

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Belanger M. High has a clear water ready.

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Ortiz and Quattron.

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those opposed? No, this is for discussion, I thought. I was raising my hand for discussion.

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Oh, I thought it just went up simultaneously with me. Okay, let's backtrack a little bit. Go ahead.

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I want to make one last appeal. I feel like I have one straw left in my quiver, and if I can

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just put it on the scale that it will tip my way. I'm not one that spends a lot of time

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talking about my business or my family or myself, but I want to share with you how the pandemic

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has affected me to give you a little bit of an insight into how it's affected people. And

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to be quite honest, I'm sure it's not all that different than, you know, my fellow counselors

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and the rest of the citizens are fit of it. But my youngest son is unemployed and just

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recently went back to work. He's now working reduced hours. My son and his wife and their

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three kids are home working. The two of them are getting paid. The three girls are school

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age girls. They're getting paid, but they're not getting much work done. They do their

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work in the evening while they watch the kids during the day. And my daughter, who

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just came from California to Maine.

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She experienced kind of a pause in her work

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but is now back on track.

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My wife who does multiple things,

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half of which is probably still in place.

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The other half, she works part-time for a local church

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that has closed and is not yet open.

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So she's lost that part-time job.

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And she also teaches piano lessons.

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she had 10 piano students and it was immediately dropped to five and she was teaching the other

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five virtually. And then my own business, this all happened in the middle of my tax season,

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and there was a pause. But quite frankly, it doesn't really affect me that the tax season's

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now been extended and I have more time and people are taking more time to submit information.

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But as a whole, that's how it's affected me and my family.

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And I think if we went around the table, most people would probably have a similar story.

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And if it's not specific to you, it would be a family member or a neighbor or a friend

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because that's pretty common.

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And for me and my family, for the most part, it's just a short-term hit.

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We're going to be okay.

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We'll get through this.

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We're in good shape.

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My youngest son is probably the one that's in the worst shape, mostly because he's going

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to go back out into a job market that just isn't going to be there.

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He's going to be fighting for fewer jobs with more people.

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But he's young and talented and works hard and he'll be okay and quite honestly will

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help him if we have to.

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I'll begrudgingly help him if I have to.

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but the reason I share this with you is I almost feel like that's what this budget that we've

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developed and that you know we're asking to be approved is designed for. It's designed for people

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like myself and my family that for the most part has taken a hit but it's kind of a short-term hit

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it and we'll get through it and we'll be okay. And that's certainly true for me and nobody

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has to be concerned about me. But quite honestly, I don't really think that's true for most of

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the people in benefit. I, you know, we can argue over what percentage is more adversely

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affected than the rest. You know, I would say it's probably 50-50. You know, somebody

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could argue at 6040 or maybe 6535, depending on which way you want to go. But there's way

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too many people in our community that this is not only hurting now, but it's going to

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hurt, hurt longer term. And I just don't think the budget really takes that into consideration.

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You know, it's really designed, you know, as if we're all going to get through this

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and we'll all be okay. And I don't really think that's the case. I'm hopeful and I'll

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work really hard to, you know, make the economy get going again. But quite honestly, I think

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this budget, this is the mark and I still believe there's two votes out there that

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will join me and upend the thing. So I would ask, I appreciate you allowing me to share

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what I share and I would ask your final consideration. Thank you.

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Thank you, Steve. Anybody else?

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Seeing none, all in favour of the order as amended.

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Council's

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valiant clear water ready, M highs or T's and less iron. As opposed.

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Council's St.

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C and McCurry and Quattrone.

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Passes. Next item is 3.2, estimated revenues, fund

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and balance appropriations.

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No moved.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded just for the public total estimated

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revenues appropriations that are 11,593,887 dollars.

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Discussion.

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Seeing none, all in favor please raise your hand.

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Council's Clearwater, Amheiser, Belanger,

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St. Cyr, Reddy, Ortiz, Quattrone and McCurry.

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Opposed?

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Council Lussard in opposition.

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in addition.

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3.3, airport fund.

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So moved.

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Second.

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It's been moved and seconded.

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Again, the number we are looking at, we are appropriating $562,977 for that particular airport,

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with the revenues being $540,481.

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Discussion?

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Seeing none, all in favor?

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In favor,

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councilors Belanger, McCurry,

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Amhi is a clear water, ready and Ortiz, opposed?

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Council's Quattrone, Lessard and St. Cyr in opposition.

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Next item, the fund.

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So moved.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded.

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And according to this,

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we are appropriating $46,359 for the mooring fee fund

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and the revenue was estimated to be 42,000.

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Discussion?

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Seeing none, all in favor, please raise your hands.

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In favor, Council's Clearwater, Bilanja,

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M. Highs, Ortiz, Reddy, McCurry in opposition.

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Kalto's-Quattro, Lessard, and St. Cyr.

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Thank you.

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Next item, Cool Permits Fund.

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So moved.

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Second.

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Summary.

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We're appropriating the sum of $177,966 with revenues being $99,500.

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Discussion.

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Seeing none, all in favor, please raise your hands.

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In favor, Councilor Bilanje, Clearwater, M. High as a McCurry, Ortiz and Reddy.

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Those opposed.

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Health is left side, St. Cyr and Quattrone in opposition.

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Next item.

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Recreation program fund.

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So moved.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded, appropriating the sum of $850,878 for this revenue sum of $871,135.

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Discussion.

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Seeing none, all in favor, please raise your hands.

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Councilman Blanger, McCurry, Clearwater, St. Cyr, Em High, Lesser, Reddy, Ortiz and

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Quattrone, it's unanimous.

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Thank you.

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Next item.

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Parkland.

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Second.

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So moved.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded.

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Appropriate in the sum of $201,007 to $51 with the expected revenue of being $363,400.

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Discussion.

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Seeing none, all in favor, please raise your hands.

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In favor, the council is patrolling on the left side.

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Saints here.

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Clear water.

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M highs or Ortiz and McCurry.

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And Belanger.

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Opposed.

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Councilor Reddy in opposition.

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Next

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one, 3.8 is the Ambulance Fund.

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No moved.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded, appropriating the sum of $1,550,000 to the Ambulance Fund with the

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expected revenue being $1,425,000.

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Discussion?

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All in favor, please raise your hands.

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Those in favor, our council is Clearwater, Belanger, Lessard, Em Highes, McCurry,

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Ortiz, and Ready, those opposed?

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Oslo's Quattrone and St. Cyr in opposition.

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Super operations fund. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. Operations fund, totaling $5,604,882

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with estimated revenues being $4,717,311. Councillor McCurray? I just want to make sure everybody

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know is that they're besides their taxes they also have this fee that will be going up uh just

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their hidden tax that they'll be getting charged more for thanks thank you anybody else see

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none

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all fair please raise your hands those

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in favor council the lands of clearwater m highs are ready

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in Ortiz those opposed councils

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McCurry quatrone and lessard did I miss somebody on that what

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What about Steven, St. Sarah?

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How's the second act involved?

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So that goes automatically to the firmative.

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You look frozen to me.

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Yes.

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Okay, thank you.

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Next item's MDEA, the main drug enforcement agency fund.

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So moved.

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Second.

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Seconded, we appropriated a sum of $266,431,

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and the revenue would be the same.

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Discussion, Councilor Quadron?

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Sorry, I just didn't get my hand lowered in time. I don't have anything to say on this.

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Okay.

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Anybody else?

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See none. All in favor, please raise your hand.

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Councilor Belanger, McCurry, Letzard, M. Heizer, Ortiz, Reddy, and Quattrone in favor.

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Those opposed?

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Councilor Clearwater in opposition.

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Thank you.

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People Recovery Program Fund.

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Second.

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Second.

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We'll do seconded, spending the sum of $97,979, the revenues are anticipated to be the same

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to offset that discussion.

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Councilor Clearwater.

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Just real quickly, I would like to commend the police department on the use of this

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fund and the way that the city does focus on folks who are in need of recovery services.

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Also, just for the benefit of people who may have joined these budget discussions

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just today. And this is the only meeting that they've seen and we look like we're making

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real fast and avaliable decisions. I would like folks to know that we've been working

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on this now for months and I'd like to take again the opportunity to thank the city staff,

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city manager's office, Carmen, finance office, everybody who has done this work and there's

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been a lot of thought going into it and I'm really grateful for the conversations

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that we've had.

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Thank you, Amy. Anybody else?

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Seeing none. All in favor, please raise your hands.

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Those

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in favor, councilman Langer, Clearwater, Lessard, M. Heizer, Quartron, Ortiz, McCurry,

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and Ready, those opposed?

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No, I'm sorry. I'm in favor of it. Sorry about that.

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It's unanimous. Thank you.

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And for the orders of the day, CBG Fund, the corrected

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So moved. Second.

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It's been moved and seconded.

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Anyone for the public like to address the CDBG fund?

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This is the Community Development Block Grant Fund.

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Seeing no one, you're back to the council.

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All in favor, please raise your electronic hands.

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Those in favor, councilor Belanger, Clearwater,

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St. Cyr, Em Highes, Lesard, Ortiz, McCurry,

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Quantrone and Reddy, which makes that unanimous.

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4.2.

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So moved. Second.

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And this is the pre-payment interest rate on private taxes. Excuse me. It's been moved

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in second. Anyone for the public?

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I'll be back to the council. So, Council Lesser?

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Oh, sorry. Actually, yeah. Yeah, I've got a question through here. How did we come up with five

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percent?

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Folks, the recommendation is that there should be four percent. The state

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publishers every year with the maximum amount is that you can charge for an

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over for overdue taxes. This year it's 8%. You're allowed to go down to 4% lower

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than that if somebody gets an abatement. And so last year they were 9 and 5, which

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would be 8 and 4. If you do not have something then you automatically have to

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pay 8% back on the abatement. So the recommendation would be that this

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would be at the 4%, which is a little out of my state of mind.

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So I'd make a motion to amend to 4%.

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Second.

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The move is cited.

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Anyone from the public would like to address the amendment.

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Moves it back to 4%.

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Seeing none, back to the council.

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Any more commentary?

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All in favor of the amendment, please raise your hands.

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Electronically.

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Councilor Blanger, Lessard, St. Cyr, McCurry,

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McCurry, M. Heiser, Clearwater, Quattrone, Ready and Ortiz, that makes that unanimous.

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Any further discussion?

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On the left side?

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No, I'm good.

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Sorry.

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I clicked too fast.

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Okay.

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Quick draw, McGraw.

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All in favor of the motion as amended.

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Sousa is ready.

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Belanger, McCurry, Quattrone, Clearwater, St. Cyr, M. Heiser, Ortiz, and Lessard,

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making that unanimous.

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I'm showing my age.

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Quick draw, McGraw.

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Somebody don't even know who that was.

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I do.

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I'm the youngest person here. I know who quick drama bra is.

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Anybody who doesn't is just missing all of the cartoons reruns on cable.

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I watched him first hand.

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4.3 property tax commitment.

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It moved and seconded

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going out to the public first.

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A little bit of trouble here with my tablet.

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It's not registering.

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Anybody for the public address this?

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Seeing none, back to the council.

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Council M. Heizer?

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Yeah, just sort of a technical question that the approval of this

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requires the amount of the school budget.

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The school budget's getting voted on on the effect of July 13th.

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So in the very, very rare event that it doesn't pass,

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what happens to this order?

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it's an interesting question because normally the school budget would have

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already been voted. Yeah, that's why I asked. I mean, technically we won't commit

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until the school budget is actually done. The school budget when it gets passed

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by the voters, we end up then making the sole thing legal. If they don't pass

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the budget then it comes back to the council anyways because then the

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council and the school board have to work together to come up with whatever

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that the next referendum question would be built.

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And then that would have to go back up to the voters.

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We would hold off on actually doing the final commitment

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until we actually know what the final result would be

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that comes from taxes to go out to the school budget.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Councilor Kerr?

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Yeah, there's a note there with the overlay

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to be added after commitment by assessor.

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Are we assuming that we might have

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have a higher assessed value so that will leave more money in the overlay account.

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That's just the normal language, Council President, and because if you look at that last sentence,

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Council is recommending what you believe to be the tax rate that you want the assessor

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to set as I think you know at the end of the day the assessor sets that.

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Right.

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Whatever the budget is and what the assessed value is, that's the tax rate.

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We can hope this is what it is, but it could be different.

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Well, I mean, as you know, whatever the council goal was, we would hit that.

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And if for some reason we had extra money that was available because they picked up more

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valuation, we'd come back to the council and say, council, they picked up another

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$100,000.

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Do you want to apply it to the tax rate or would you like it just to fall down

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to the overlay?

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We don't believe we're going to be in that situation this year.

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But we believe that the overlay will come in very close to the 250,000 that we had built

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into the budget documents, which will still get you in at that $20.05 rate.

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If there's any changes, like I've done in the past, I would bring it back to you before

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we actually do the commitment.

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Okay.

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That's all I was getting at, just in case we had a windfall.

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Maybe Steve could get a windfall with a change in the tax rate.

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He's smiling.

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He's dreaming of that.

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that. Council, left side.

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So I actually think that the final sentence where it says $20.05 per 1,000 property valuation

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should continue reading and saying based upon a positive vote by the citizens of the city

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of Bitterford on the school department referendum question. So that way we're basing this

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on that it will be positively asked because otherwise we're doing it in reverse. I don't

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and I'm not sure that that's right. So, I'll put that in the form of a motion.

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Second.

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It's been moved and seconded. Anyone with a public like to address the amendment?

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Back to the council.

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And the reason why I put that there was because I just think that we need to say that that

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is based upon the positive vote by the citizens. If it's not included in there,

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then the cascading of how this happens with the citizens vote, it's just wrong.

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So that's why I added it there. Thank you, folks. Thank you

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Anybody else

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None all in favor of the amendment, please raise your hand. This

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is less out Belanger St. Cyr M. Heiser Ortiz McCurry in Clearwater

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Opposed council ready in opposition along with council quateron

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Any

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more discussion?

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All those in favor of the motion as amended?

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Council's Belanger, Clearwater, M. Hyzer, Reddy, and Ortiz?

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Those opposed?

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Council's McCurry, Lessard, Quattrone, and St. Cyr, in opposition.

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Thank you.

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Did you take a motion to adjourn?

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So moved.

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Second.

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All in favor please raise your hands just visually.

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That's unanimous.

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Okay, so we're going to go into workshop format.

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So

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I'll call the workshop to order. And the topic 1.1 is street closing opportunities.

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Over the last several weeks, we've been hearing from the city manager regarding the possibility

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of closing certain streets, pedestrian walkways and things of that nature. Council Quartron

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sent an email a week and a half or so ago offering some suggestions of what he thought

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might work where what's what's being talked about. Tonight's an opportunity just to look

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at the document that was sent to you yesterday from for some thoughts in terms of what you

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see or what you want to recommend and not recommend. It's no decision tonight whatsoever.

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Do you want to add anything before we jump into the conversation?

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The only thing I would add is that I asked staff back in, it probably actually was in

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April.

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Early April to identify locations in the downtown area that they thought we could actually shut

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down streets for a period of time or possible parts of the streets and that we could do

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that safely for the benefit of trying to allow commerce to happen on the outside.

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This is the work that staff came back with.

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so these are areas that they've already looked at and said, yeah, we can make it happen.

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As identified in Matthew's memo, there were some concerns about staff time and moving barriers and

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some of those kinds of things. I think those were all issues that we can work through.

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If there were other parts of the community that somebody wanted us to look at,

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Why they did look at the general downtown area, certainly we could look at more and try

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to figure out if there was a way to do it, and if it couldn't give you the rationale why we

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thought that that would not be a good alternative. So here's the list. We're here to listen

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and take direction so that we can proceed in whatever direction the council would like

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us to.

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Council McCurry?

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Yeah.

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And Council Reddy, Council Amhizer, and Council Clearwater.

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Yeah.

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I think it's a good idea to try to figure out how we can try to get some of this to come out.

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But I would also like to see, you know, at some point, even after this pandemic is over and everything is back to normal,

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Whether it's City Square or part of Main Street, so that we can have the farmer's market have vendors come in that's selling their homemade wares or whatever it is.

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I think that would be good to do on the weekend. I said that right along. I think we need to encourage that.

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And then on the list that they gave, I can sort of visualize most of it.

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But the one Franklin Street between Maine and the palace diner, the palace, what other

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restaurants are right in that little piece in there that you're talking?

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George's and Louis's Pizza.

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Yeah.

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Oh, but just from Maine to the palace?

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That's the only one, the palace.

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I don't have much sense to me. The palace could actually use part of the park like they

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did in the past, so I wouldn't be in favor of that one there. I think there's opportunity

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there for the park. I think Yettos could use part of the park on the other end if they

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wanted to, plus the sidewalk. But I also don't think any business should go from double

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or triple the size of their footprint. If they had 10 tables before, now they got 50.

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I don't know how that would work. But I think it's worth looking at and trying to come up with

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some sort of solutions. But I also like us to take a look at if the businesses want to do that,

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they should participate in putting these barriers up and taking them down in the

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So we reduced labor positions and police positions that could have helped with some of this stuff.

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So I think the businesses, if we're going to try to do this, they've got to be the ones

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that are also helping manage this, so it's not taking so much labor away from everything

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else.

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That's the only thing I see with this.

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Thank you, John.

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Councilor Reddy.

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One of the things, Jim, you mentioned to do this safely.

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I didn't see any and I don't know maybe you had the discussion with Roger but because I'm concerned about Lincoln Street and I see on Matt's statement that he's talking about Mulligan's not reopening till August.

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So maybe Main Street will be all done by then.

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But I hate to see us closing one way on Lincoln Street if the traffic is still one lane on

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Main Street from Water Street all the way up to Alfred.

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The other thing, and I really hope somebody can open my eyes on this, I wonder, I'm looking

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at what we're discussing for closing in Main Street between Washington and Alfred that

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that makes the most sense to me when I look at it.

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But I still see a lot of businesses

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that I don't look like it doesn't,

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I don't think that they'd be able to take advantage

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and maybe Matt, people have come to you like Edo's

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and said, yeah, that would work for us.

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Or I just don't know,

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you know,

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we're picking winners and losers here

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by picking the locations that we're doing this.

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And again, the idea makes all the sense

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in the world to me. It's why I was in favor of, you know, the sidewalks. It's why I was in favor

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of people being able to use part of the parks. But this part I'm really struggling with. So

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maybe somebody can address the, you know, whether we've talked to the police department about it

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and then just the picking and winners and losers. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mike. Does

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Jim, or Matt, want to answer those questions?

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Yeah, so with staff, what staff did is I asked them to take a look at all the practical places

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that they felt that they could safely do this.

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Long before businesses started coming to us to ask us if they could do that,

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and one of the pushbacks I got from staff was, well, how do we even know if businesses

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want to do that and what the impact was?

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And so the answer to your question, Mike, is that all of the department heads have looked

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at that, including Roger Scott, Jeff, Robbie, Matthew, all of them had their hands in developing

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this.

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We would still have to have – we wouldn't close something down unless there was a request

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from businesses to do that.

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And to give you an example, coming back to John's question about Franklin Street,

479
00:35:34,570 --> 00:35:37,690
even though there's only Palestine that's right there,

480
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:41,110
you may end up having businesses that are in the area

481
00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:42,510
that want to take part of that.

482
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:44,890
So for instance, around the corner on Main Street,

483
00:35:45,010 --> 00:35:46,230
if you didn't close Main Street,

484
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:48,670
there's a couple of businesses that are in that block

485
00:35:48,670 --> 00:35:51,450
that say, okay, I'd like to have a little part of that, Franklin.

486
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:53,450
Louis Pizza might want to have part of that.

487
00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:56,210
Georgia may want to have part of that.

488
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:59,050
They may not, but if we decided to proceed

489
00:35:59,050 --> 00:36:00,450
and that was something that was of interest,

490
00:36:00,910 --> 00:36:03,550
we would then try to find out who would be interested in it

491
00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:04,870
that would make sense for them

492
00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:06,950
to be able to operate out of their shop

493
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:08,650
and still have people go on those areas.

494
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:10,930
So I think you don't necessarily have to look

495
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:12,890
at these public spaces

496
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:16,570
just if somebody is immediately adjacent to it.

497
00:36:17,110 --> 00:36:19,690
And you can make it a little bit more broader

498
00:36:19,690 --> 00:36:23,490
as this is the outdoor area for somebody to be in.

499
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:26,610
And take a look at that.

500
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:28,890
I think I answered all your questions, Mike, on that.

501
00:36:28,890 --> 00:36:35,330
that. Like on Lincoln Street, if we were going to do that, there was some thought that we

502
00:36:35,330 --> 00:36:40,570
could do it, turn that into a one-way street. Obviously, when they were looking at this,

503
00:36:40,690 --> 00:36:46,430
we had, back in April, we had not quite had the CSL project on Main Street. We would

504
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:50,210
have to revisit that, but I think staff would still figure out a way to make that

505
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:53,910
happen if that was something the council wanted to do, and there were businesses

506
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:56,090
down there that wanted to make that happen as well.

507
00:36:56,090 --> 00:37:00,650
You know, you also take a look at the other side of Pearl Street, and so going to LinkedIn,

508
00:37:00,830 --> 00:37:04,450
you can do that at L.A. section of Pearl Street and make that work as well as an opportunity.

509
00:37:06,860 --> 00:37:08,780
I hope I can answer all your questions, Mike.

510
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:11,100
Thank you, Jim.

511
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:12,480
Bill?

512
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:21,200
Yeah, I wanted to ask the chair to allow maybe Matt Eddy to address the funding that

513
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,280
he's applied for and sort of describe the sources and the uses of that amount of

514
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:26,620
monies.

515
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:29,790
Sure thing.

516
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:39,170
Good evening.

517
00:37:42,110 --> 00:37:49,450
Actually, Jim identified this grant source for us. It's it's an it's odd

518
00:37:49,450 --> 00:37:57,070
in that it comes through the main CDC Center for Disease Control. I think I think it's part

519
00:37:57,070 --> 00:38:03,030
of the larger funding that the state received. They put it out as a combination of public

520
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:12,010
education, physical barrier improvements and work related to trying to make areas more accessible

521
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:15,070
and to help open main streets a little bit.

522
00:38:17,290 --> 00:38:20,450
We've put in funds for labor, for equipment,

523
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:28,470
for additional tables and share sets. And I really, it's one of those I haven't got a clue

524
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:34,090
you know what our chances are getting at or not it's it's one of those all new

525
00:38:34,090 --> 00:38:39,690
that comes through the coronavirus process I was on a call today with the

526
00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:44,490
commissioner for the ECB they she indicated that they were hoping to be

527
00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:49,090
able to make those awards by the beginning next week there was about a

528
00:38:49,090 --> 00:38:55,490
hundred communities applied the highest was one asking for 1.8 million after I

529
00:38:55,490 --> 00:39:02,550
heard that number I was a little like what we should have gone for more I feel guilty they did

530
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:08,270
mention that we were identified as one of the more affordable communities in the country and that's

531
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:14,050
why we only asked for 20 thousand so I have a pretty good I have a good feeling that we will get

532
00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:18,510
awarded the money as long as what we submitted is consistent with what the requirements are

533
00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:24,870
and I believe it will be so I feel pretty good that we'll get on those funds and what's the

534
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:32,890
amount Matt? That's 64,000. 64,000. Thank you. Thank you. Amy?

535
00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:36,360
Perfect. I have like a

536
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,600
million and five questions, but my first one is of that money that we're talking

537
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:47,240
about right now Matt, you have requested that from the CDC. Businesses

538
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:54,040
don't have to be in on that already. Is that correct? That's correct. To do

539
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,140
what we're proposing, it would be, as Jim suggested, we'd let them know and reach out

540
00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:01,140
to see who would be interested in participating.

541
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:08,360
Got it. Okay. And so if we are awarded that pool of money, I assume we will do some sort

542
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:17,420
of outreach to folks at that time. Do we know if that grant money is available for things

543
00:40:17,420 --> 00:40:24,880
like barriers to go around parking spot seating or is that it does it hinge on

544
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,920
us closing Main Street like are these two interrelated topics no no not

545
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:38,940
necessarily it could be both and we also have put in a social media public

546
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:43,160
education piece on this to let people know what we're proposing to do and we've

547
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,740
also propose to continue doing our virtual meetings with the businesses as this evolves,

548
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:56,560
because our experience thus far is as they evolve with the situation, they become more

549
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,640
and more – the businesses become more and more comfortable with the idea.

550
00:41:00,620 --> 00:41:02,960
But it's a lot to think through and how to do it safely.

551
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:10,180
And so you lead right into my next question, which is how are we engaging the business

552
00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:14,960
owners and if I hear from folks who want to know something about that should I direct them to your

553
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,640
office if there are people watching now who aren't sure what they need or what they ought to do who

554
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:28,380
should they talk to. Either my office or Delilah Delilah and Jim Labelle the chamber have been

555
00:41:28,380 --> 00:41:33,920
active participants in this program so either one would be fine and and we've been focusing

556
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:40,520
you know, we're working group through that cluster. And then, you know, going back out

557
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,880
in virtual meetings are really kind of gathering information. In the virtual meetings, we've

558
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,820
had 35 to 40 participants each time. So it's been active.

559
00:41:50,860 --> 00:41:55,220
One, the one piece I'd added Amy and the rest of the council, if somebody's looking

560
00:41:55,220 --> 00:42:02,620
to use POC space or sidewalk space and not streets, the contact person is Robbie's

561
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:06,960
office. As you know, you've already approved that process and we've got probably, I think

562
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,660
we might be up to almost 20 businesses, maybe it's 15 or so, that have taken advantage of

563
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:17,700
that. So if somebody is looking to do something on a sidewalk or public land other than a

564
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:23,520
street, Robbie is the individual you want to talk to and he's the magic man that

565
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,440
can make that happen. If the council decides you want to move ahead with something

566
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,620
like this, then we would flush out exactly how that would work and then we would

567
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:36,080
develop what that process would be for you, and then we can tell somebody right off.

568
00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:43,560
Somebody that's interested right now, but isn't sure what they want to do, then Matthew and

569
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,820
Delilah and Jim at the Chamber are the ones that you want to express interest to so that

570
00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:54,200
we know who out there is actually ready to participate compared to where we were in

571
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,380
April.

572
00:42:55,260 --> 00:43:01,720
Okay. And I see that right now we have one business owner attending this meeting who

573
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:09,960
has their hand up. I'm not sure in workshops we usually don't do public input but I'm wondering

574
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,980
what we want to do and I guess that leads me to my next question which is like I'm

575
00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:20,920
broadly supportive of this idea but what do you need from us tonight in order for you

576
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,960
to know what the next steps ought to be.

577
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:28,480
What I'm looking for is this is at a very high level.

578
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:35,640
If we get the signals from the council that you're interested and tell us what your concerns

579
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,460
are so that if there are concerns about any particular of it, then we can react to it

580
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:43,860
and then we'll go flush out the details so we can bring something back much like what

581
00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:49,200
we did with the special, you know, when we discussed how to deal with the other

582
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,200
public space areas.

583
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,560
So you gave us some information, some feedback on what you thought, how you would want it

584
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,120
to work, and then we went and developed the program and brought it back so you could try

585
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,100
to improve it one night.

586
00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:01,140
Gotcha.

587
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:01,600
Okay.

588
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:02,160
Thanks.

589
00:44:03,380 --> 00:44:03,840
Thank you.

590
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,620
If there's no opposition, I'd like to have Katie Pineda from Elements actually jump

591
00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:11,820
in here just to offer us a little bit of insight.

592
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:14,940
She's the only person attending from the business community, but...

593
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:15,480
Sure.

594
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:17,080
Yeah, I'd like to hear from her.

595
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:17,960
Me too.

596
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:21,560
Hi, Katie.

597
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,580
Can you hear me?

598
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,400
Yep.

599
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:24,920
Hey, everybody.

600
00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:26,780
Thank you so much.

601
00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:30,580
And I do want to say a couple things.

602
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:36,800
One is given that we don't foresee a time,

603
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,700
any time soon when we can reopen our inside space

604
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:44,960
safely, we do appreciate the city and the council

605
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,560
considering what our other options are to salvage

606
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,500
salvage whatever we have left of the summer season ahead of us so thank you

607
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:59,720
for for all of all of your work on this we have not applied for the outdoors

608
00:45:02,060 --> 00:45:08,300
We are not really interested in, like, taking up the parking spaces around elements because

609
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:16,400
that's, like, really vital, like, customer use for curbside pickup kind of space. We would

610
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,540
be interested in being a part of, you know, actively, like, planning and strategizing how

611
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,840
this plan could work, but it's obviously specifically around the Jefferson Street side of things.

612
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,360
I just want to throw out a few questions that Michael and I would invite you to consider.

613
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:41,380
And again, these are not questions that are going to be answered right now.

614
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:47,460
They're just things for you to know that we're being super thoughtful.

615
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:52,160
And safety obviously comes first on everything.

616
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:55,160
And secondly, it's like finances, right?

617
00:45:57,260 --> 00:46:05,840
So, number one would be like, are we talking about these spaces as being communal versus like individually permitted, right?

618
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:11,280
So, for example, we've got in our area elements, Yeto's, Jonesy's and Riley's, right?

619
00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:14,220
And again, we don't know who would even want to participate right now.

620
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:21,080
so this is all just like theoretical, right? But like, so would the Jefferson Street space be like

621
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:27,120
communally owned and permitted or like individually? And that matters for a few things. Number one,

622
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:34,880
like who's taking responsibility for like sanitizing? Who's taking responsibility for like theft? Or,

623
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:38,480
you know, that's, you know, obviously like worst case scenario, but something we always

624
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:45,100
have to think about. And then liquor licensing, right. So like if we have a liquor license

625
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:50,220
but like Jonesies doesn't like how like what's what does enforcement look like like business

626
00:46:50,220 --> 00:46:54,400
enforcement as well as like police enforcement like and how are the two working together.

627
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:59,200
So like those are things to kind of think through. And then I think the other thing

628
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,920
is like barriers being permanent versus temporary. So like if you go to Purple Square those

629
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,500
Jersey barriers seem like fairly permanent for like a while for New Moon and Kierrow

630
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:16,200
Cafe to like use those outdoor spaces. And you kind of just know at this point where you can

631
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:22,940
and cannot park in Peppermill Square because of those Jersey barriers. And so I would almost

632
00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:27,680
make an argument for permanent barriers versus barriers that you know are taken up and taken

633
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,160
down so that once people get used to like traffic patterns they're just used to them as

634
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,440
opposed to like well at this time of day I can the two way and then it's a one

635
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,460
way and that I just want to reduce like public frustration of accessing

636
00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:47,240
downtown like services and businesses you know what I'm saying so anyway so our

637
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:51,620
sense would be whatever like tables and chairs and nonsense is out there like

638
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:54,460
it's got to be durable it's got to be stuff that can't be stolen it's got

639
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:57,400
to be things that can like stay out in the rain like picking tables kind of

640
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:03,340
thing you know and and and hopefully you know the city is like involved in the

641
00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:07,420
purchases of those things hopefully through this grant program. So those are

642
00:48:07,420 --> 00:48:10,900
just a couple like off the top of our head you know kinds of things but just

643
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,020
and again I'm happy to be part of like any other strategizing conversation but

644
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:20,420
really I think the conversation the the question of like how much is the

645
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:24,560
city like owning these spaces versus how much are you expecting the

646
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,780
businesses to own these spaces is a really important thing both in terms of cost and

647
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:33,660
liability and enforcement. So I mean if you kind of leave it to us like well if you want to take

648
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:38,160
advantage of it we'll let you but you have to like take full responsibility for everything we're

649
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:43,160
probably going to pass honestly like you know there's just there's anyway there's a lot of

650
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:48,320
things to think through and we appreciate you being thoughtful about everything with us and

651
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,140
And I'll kind of leave it at that.

652
00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:51,460
Thank you, Katie.

653
00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:54,060
Norm?

654
00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:56,060
Hi.

655
00:48:56,780 --> 00:48:58,920
I like Amy have a bunch of questions.

656
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,900
But let me start at the high level.

657
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,260
And I think this concept makes sense.

658
00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:08,060
It's something that we definitely need to look into

659
00:49:08,060 --> 00:49:09,260
and to look into in more detail.

660
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:14,160
So at the 10,000-foot level, I'm in favor

661
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,060
and would like to look into some more.

662
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:21,040
I do think we need to also make sure we consider more than just the restaurants.

663
00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:24,260
This would also be an opportunity for any of the retail establishments.

664
00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:27,980
You know, they can put out clothing or storage, bring their wares outdoors,

665
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:31,800
and so we should be looking to do this to me more than just the restaurants.

666
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:34,380
We think of it generally as outdoor seating for restaurants,

667
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:36,660
but outdoor use could be for other things as well.

668
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,640
But like everything else, you know, you're playing a game of whack-a-mole here.

669
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,280
You know, we open it up and make it easier for some places,

670
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,200
but then there are other issues.

671
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,800
I mean, we need to take a look at the parking.

672
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,140
We need to make sure we have limited parking as it is.

673
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,020
Parking's been a problem downtown.

674
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,820
It's been relieved because people aren't going out.

675
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:55,520
But that problem will,

676
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,460
once again, we were talking to the head

677
00:49:57,460 --> 00:49:58,760
once we stopped moving on all this.

678
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,820
So I think that needs to be looked into.

679
00:50:01,140 --> 00:50:02,340
Not only parking generally,

680
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,600
but parking for some of these stores like a hairdresser

681
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,500
or these takeout outlets,

682
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:10,580
they may prefer to have parking right in front

683
00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:12,780
and we may be losing that if we're blocking off the road.

684
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:17,400
So, that needs to be factored into all of this as well, you know, part of the takeout.

685
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,520
And also, I would like to look at, too, would it make some sense to do this not permanently,

686
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,400
but, you know, Friday and Saturday night from, you know, eight to midnight, or, you know,

687
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,100
we may want to do it not on a permanent basis, but look at opportunities to say we'll block

688
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:35,400
these things off, kind of like we do for French Fest or something.

689
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,460
We block it off for a temporary, you know, every weekend, because we may not want

690
00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:42,140
to do it all the time, but you may want to do it just on a temporary basis.

691
00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:47,440
So I'd like all of those things explored, not only amongst the staff, but also with the people downtown.

692
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,040
So those are kind of my thoughts at, you know, off the top of my head.

693
00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:55,470
Thank you, Norm. John,

694
00:51:00,310 --> 00:51:01,290
you're muted, John.

695
00:51:05,140 --> 00:51:07,080
There you go. These buttons don't always work so well.

696
00:51:08,620 --> 00:51:14,760
I agree with what everybody is saying, you know, and at the 10,000-foot level,

697
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,700
I agree. And, you know, it may come back and I may disagree.

698
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:27,280
But some of them I have concerns with some I don't but I think we also need to take a look at if there is going to be alcohol

699
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,200
Served outside who's going to manage that you know like at at fringe fest and everything else

700
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:39,260
They got to have somebody that's tip-certified or security. I mean there's there's all sorts of issues that need to be

701
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,880
Looked into and and figure out how we're going to deal with each one of these

702
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,980
So I think at the 10,000 foot level, I'm okay with looking and let's see how we take

703
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:53,800
into all these considerations. But I do agree. We got to look at all the businesses because

704
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,080
I don't want to pick and choose winners and losers. I want everybody to have the same opportunity.

705
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:07,640
Thank you, John. Mark? So the downtown and the system is set up to support what we have

706
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:14,600
today, or what we had back in February before the coronavirus, meaning that the traffic layout,

707
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:20,460
the parking, et cetera, and the reason why the folks located to the business locations that they

708
00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:25,900
were in was because the way the system was built to support what was there before the virus.

709
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:33,780
And some of the questions have already been asked, but is this an everyday piece versus

710
00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:39,200
is like what Norm was saying, do we just do it on weekends? What are the hours? If somebody

711
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,500
is serving breakfast and they serve breakfast at six o'clock in the morning, does that mean

712
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:47,140
that there can be people outside and in the street at six o'clock when other people

713
00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:52,140
are maybe sleeping? Does it go till midnight if somebody is open late and there are

714
00:52:52,140 --> 00:52:56,680
people out on the street and having drinks and stuff like that? Does it allow music

715
00:52:57,220 --> 00:53:01,700
so a band is set up on the sidewalk so that people can be out in the street listening

716
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:07,700
to the band as part of the entertainment for the business. Is there a put-up and takedown

717
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:13,280
of all of the seats on a daily basis, or do they just stay? And if the city puts the seats

718
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,440
there, what happens to the seats once the coronavirus goes away? Where do all the tables

719
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,060
go? How do we store all of this?

720
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,880
What is the process if not followed by one? So if there's one entity on Main Street

721
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,940
that doesn't follow it? Do we punish everybody? Because there's going to be some guidelines

722
00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:37,740
as far as how they follow it or not. And what happens if there's a non-food business

723
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:42,540
because the parking changes and they have an erosion in their business? Can they raise

724
00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:45,960
their hand and say, wait a minute, this isn't working for me. We've got to go back to

725
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,480
the way that it was. Well, what's the decision going to be? Is it going to be, yeah,

726
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:54,040
we're going to or no, we're going to pick the winners and losers?

727
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,180
If somebody wants traffic again, do we have to ask the people, can we get the traffic back?

728
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:07,220
Or can we just unilaterally, as the city say, you know what, we've got to put the traffic

729
00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:08,000
back in downtown?

730
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,340
So that would have to be operating guidelines of what's allowed and what's not allowed.

731
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:18,640
What happens if we get citizens that complain that I can't drive my car downtown?

732
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,960
down. How many of the complaints make it where it goes back to the way that it used to be?

733
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:31,710
What happens if residents on Main Street, they just want to go down and use one of the tables

734
00:54:31,710 --> 00:54:35,770
with a couple of chairs that the city put there? You know, can residents who live on

735
00:54:35,770 --> 00:54:39,490
Main Street on the second, third, fourth floor, can they go downstairs and use the

736
00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:42,450
tables or are they going to get kicked out? And how is that police?

737
00:54:42,450 --> 00:54:42,570
at least.

738
00:54:46,090 --> 00:54:51,310
I understand that we're trying to do something that is righteous, okay? I understand

739
00:54:51,310 --> 00:54:57,750
that and I applaud the effort. I really, really do. And I'm not saying I'm against it. I'm

740
00:54:57,750 --> 00:55:02,050
just saying that I think in the end what's going to happen, we're going to try really

741
00:55:02,050 --> 00:55:08,710
hard and in the end we're still going to be picking winners and losers. And thank

742
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:09,110
you, folks.

743
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:19,150
Thanks. Mark brought up a lot of good questions. Everyone's brought up a lot of good questions.

744
00:55:19,630 --> 00:55:25,050
And I have faith that our staff is going to go out and figure this out for us and bring

745
00:55:25,050 --> 00:55:32,470
back solutions or considerations to us. I think this is something that we should try

746
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:41,830
doing and it could be a weekend thing. I've been to Portland and I've seen them where they've

747
00:55:41,830 --> 00:55:46,050
set up Jersey Barriers for the restaurants. The restaurants are responsible for that area.

748
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:53,890
I get a little nervous with temporary barriers if we have folks sitting in parking spaces and

749
00:55:53,890 --> 00:56:00,310
traffic around. That's the part that makes me nervous. And yeah, we do want to be fair

750
00:56:00,310 --> 00:56:05,390
and we want to open it up to everyone so everyone has an opportunity, that's the goal here.

751
00:56:06,030 --> 00:56:11,810
But I think if we can get this down and have it be successful, we will have a really good

752
00:56:11,810 --> 00:56:17,050
summer and it could be a destination point for folks to come to in the summer because

753
00:56:17,770 --> 00:56:21,310
we don't have the tourists that we had last summer.

754
00:56:21,830 --> 00:56:23,970
We have people who don't want to go out.

755
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:30,010
If we could figure out how we can get people out on the streets, walking around and

756
00:56:30,010 --> 00:56:36,630
eating out, I think we're going to benefit from it. So I'm for it. If we can just figure

757
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:42,490
out a way to answer these questions and do it safely, that'd be awesome. That's it. Thanks.

758
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:44,770
Thanks, Doris. Amy?

759
00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:52,890
Just one further, I agree with everything everybody said. There are a ton of moving

760
00:56:52,890 --> 00:57:00,230
parts here. One real easy win might be that one thing Elements has been suggesting is telling

761
00:57:00,230 --> 00:57:05,990
people where the spaces are in town where they can just go and sit on a park bench or whatever

762
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:10,870
and sit one friend at this end of the park bench, one friend at the other end of the park bench and

763
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:18,090
have a coffee chatting in real life. If there are ways that we could get better utilization of

764
00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:24,650
some of our existing public parks right now and maybe focus a little bit more staff time on

765
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:29,270
cleaning them up and making sure that we're keeping them relatively nice and orderly,

766
00:57:30,110 --> 00:57:36,250
that might be a really easy win. There are a number of places downtown or walking distance from

767
00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:41,410
all the bars and restaurants that if somebody wanted to grab sandwiches at one place and a

768
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:46,350
bottle of wine at another place, we could maybe figure out how to make that happen

769
00:57:47,710 --> 00:57:51,330
if we thought hard about it and we wouldn't have to mess with traffic.

770
00:57:52,310 --> 00:57:54,450
just might be another area to think about.

771
00:57:55,870 --> 00:57:56,690
Thank you, Amy.

772
00:57:57,350 --> 00:57:57,890
Anybody else?

773
00:58:00,630 --> 00:58:09,510
I get the sense from the discussion that everybody at the 10,000 foot or the 9,000 or 9,000 foot level are pretty well intrigued by this.

774
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:13,790
It's when you get into details that there are many questions.

775
00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:20,050
So I suspect that you're willing to allow staff to continue to investigate.

776
00:58:20,050 --> 00:58:26,210
I do think it's really important that businesses like Elements, for example, have to be part

777
00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:31,270
of this process, or businesses that just have takeover because it has to be really active.

778
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:34,350
It just can't be something casual.

779
00:58:34,590 --> 00:58:39,570
I think you've got to really reach out and go talk to these people because I worry

780
00:58:39,570 --> 00:58:40,210
about parking.

781
00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:46,130
That's always been a big issue and when you take away free parking, where do the

782
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:46,630
people park?

783
00:58:47,210 --> 00:58:47,770
I don't know.

784
00:58:47,770 --> 00:58:55,270
So I like the concept. I want to help all these different businesses, and I think we ought to proceed.

785
00:58:55,810 --> 00:58:59,890
So any other questions? Jim?

786
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:06,480
Not to be cavalier about this, but the answer to all your questions is yes and no.

787
00:59:06,940 --> 00:59:10,340
And it's really going to depend on each of the individual spaces and where you're at.

788
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,360
You know, for instance, there would be no way that we could, in my opinion,

789
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,640
and based on the information that staff has done,

790
00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:21,840
that we could permanently shut down Main Street 24-7

791
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,340
for the summer, that section.

792
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,780
Just not gonna be something that's gonna work.

793
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,840
And so, whatever we would do there

794
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,920
would have limited hours and be certain times

795
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,220
and we'd have to work through those.

796
00:59:33,860 --> 00:59:35,380
The end of Jefferson Street,

797
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,820
you might be able to do part of that

798
00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:40,220
because it's central's one way

799
00:59:40,220 --> 00:59:42,240
and we'd have to rest it through those issues.

800
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:44,560
You may end up up in a place

801
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:51,120
where the Jefferson one may be, because there's only one person who wants it, it becomes exclusive

802
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,740
for that particular business and we work through that with that particular business and work

803
00:59:55,740 --> 00:59:59,820
through how that would work. It may be that you end up having three or four businesses.

804
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,560
We want to work together as a coalition for this particular area. I will tell you that

805
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:10,340
staff has been having these conversations from day one. One of the big pushbacks when

806
01:00:10,340 --> 01:00:17,300
I challenged staff and asked them to come up with where could we possibly do it was they

807
01:00:17,300 --> 01:00:21,580
went to the businesses and the business were like, we don't even know what the heck we're

808
01:00:21,580 --> 01:00:27,920
going to do at all. And so we're not ready. So the dialogue has already been going on

809
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:36,080
And anybody that would like to do something now, the door is open, we now would reach out

810
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,900
and say to the businesses, we have a green light to explore this in more detail.

811
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,620
And conceptually, the council is interested subject to the details.

812
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:49,960
What would you like to, what would work for your business and where would it work?

813
01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:54,480
And we would work through the particulars with those, but also have to talk to other

814
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,100
people that would be impacted by that.

815
01:00:56,100 --> 01:01:01,380
So, each of the things we, in my opinion, we would bring back to you would be custom

816
01:01:01,380 --> 01:01:06,480
to that particular business in that particular area, because what we do in one part of the

817
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,640
community, we're not going to be able to do in other parts.

818
01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:15,500
And so, that's the process we'll proceed with at this point, is to let the business

819
01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:20,600
community know there's a possibility here, start having conversation with us about

820
01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:25,460
what would work for you and what would you might, how would the details work

821
01:01:25,460 --> 01:01:27,260
for you and what you'd be interested in.

822
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:28,800
That will be the next step.

823
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,820
And then we'll bring back very specific recommendations

824
01:01:32,820 --> 01:01:34,660
for anybody that would have something

825
01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:36,960
you want to do for a specific location

826
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,060
for you to react to.

827
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,240
That's what I envision the next steps would be.

828
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:43,040
Thank you, Jim, Mike.

829
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,220
And I think, and Jim, you kind of addressed it there,

830
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,060
but to me, it would be critical

831
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,620
if we're talking about closing a portion,

832
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,560
like you were talking about between Washington

833
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,580
and Alfred Street.

834
01:01:53,580 --> 01:02:01,580
How many businesses have given us a commitment but shown their interest in utilizing that

835
01:02:01,580 --> 01:02:03,220
for whatever period of time?

836
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:13,840
I have a high-time envisioning supporting multiple street closings, at least the way that I'm

837
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:14,480
looking at it.

838
01:02:14,540 --> 01:02:18,560
There may be all kinds of things that people come up with that I haven't thought of.

839
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:25,220
you know, the weekend thing obviously would be a different scenario than closing every

840
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:30,240
night of the week. The other thing Norm talked about, but some of these businesses, I'm sure,

841
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:37,060
you know, they're doing curbside pickup. If we close Washington to Alfred Street, you

842
01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:43,500
know, Cowbell, are they going to do enough business in the close-off area to make up

843
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:51,320
what they're doing already with their curbside. So I guess a long way of saying it's important to

844
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:57,260
me to know which businesses are supporting which effort that you're going to bring forward.

845
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,520
We will not be doing a field of dreams. We're not going to build something,

846
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,700
hope somebody shows up. Everything is going to be custom

847
01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:10,340
work through with the people that are going to be impacted based on what their needs are.

848
01:03:10,340 --> 01:03:16,400
This is not a case, and given that I've had some restaurant experience in my background,

849
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,700
I understand that each restaurant, business, and other businesses have a particular client

850
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:27,820
talent, a particular niche, and it's not up to us to be telling them what we can do

851
01:03:27,820 --> 01:03:28,240
for them.

852
01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:33,480
It's for us to tell us what we ought to be doing to help them out and working to find

853
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,520
solutions for them.

854
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,180
And so it's really one of those, they're going to drive the process, we're going

855
01:03:39,180 --> 01:03:41,900
to make sure it's safe and then come back to you to make sure it's good.

856
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:45,680
Anybody else?

857
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:51,680
Before we go, do you want to just like Jim to share the screen for a second?

858
01:03:51,820 --> 01:03:55,440
I just want to show you what staff came up with for Magnus, the mechanic's mark.

859
01:03:56,220 --> 01:04:00,700
A number you get back to me saying you had no problem with having staff do the review

860
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:02,780
and this was a good compromise, I think.

861
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:10,880
So if you take a look at what you're showing, you see this red area identified.

862
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:17,820
that would be where the the airstream would go and then the blue area would be the area that would

863
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:25,380
end up being the area that the Patriots would be. Robbie has made contact with the owners that

864
01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:29,740
are very comfortable with this. I like this solution. We believe that the least majority

865
01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:33,460
of the package you can see through here available for the rest of the public.

866
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:40,080
And Robbie's contacted with been in contact with our department heads as it relates to

867
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:44,160
this area. I think the last thing they're doing tomorrow is they're just making sure that

868
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:49,680
the automatic irrigation system is going to come on and all of a sudden drown out the

869
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:57,020
people that might be having a sandwich or beverage there. So based on the concerns

870
01:04:57,020 --> 01:05:01,660
from the council and the current policy, if this is okay, we're going to proceed

871
01:05:01,660 --> 01:05:07,160
down the road as if this has been approved as a secondary application and then of course

872
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:12,260
the sidewalk one that we've already signed off on works for them. I'm glad to answer any questions,

873
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,500
but I think this addresses all the concerns that the council had.

874
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,440
Anybody got questions? John, then Mark, then Mike.

875
01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:27,330
Can you put that little picture back up

876
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:37,450
where the red is where the airstream is going?

877
01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:41,070
How are they going to power that unit?

878
01:05:42,270 --> 01:05:47,950
They're going to use a generator, and the generator has to be set up in such a way that

879
01:05:47,950 --> 01:05:50,610
that it's going to comply with the new age requirement

880
01:05:50,610 --> 01:05:51,270
to the area.

881
01:05:51,830 --> 01:05:54,630
Okay, because that was going to be one concern.

882
01:05:54,990 --> 01:05:58,650
And then the blue area, that's going to be cordoned off.

883
01:05:58,850 --> 01:06:02,550
And then they are going to be responsible for cleaning it

884
01:06:02,550 --> 01:06:04,410
and everything else of that nature.

885
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:05,310
Yes.

886
01:06:06,190 --> 01:06:08,090
Okay, how are they getting the alcohol

887
01:06:08,090 --> 01:06:11,270
from across the water street there?

888
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:13,710
Yeah, my understanding is-

889
01:06:13,710 --> 01:06:16,290
I don't have to pay just walking across the street

890
01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:17,230
with a beer in their hand.

891
01:06:17,230 --> 01:06:21,710
that's what I'm yeah my understanding is they're looking to have certain limited

892
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:24,090
beverages that will be served out of the air street

893
01:06:24,090 --> 01:06:27,570
and so they would not be beverages that would be coming across the street

894
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:32,310
they still have to get their permits through the state in order to do this

895
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:36,030
and so some of those issues are going to be resolved when they go to the

896
01:06:36,030 --> 01:06:41,810
state for that particular license. Now let me I have

897
01:06:41,810 --> 01:06:45,010
not had the direct conversation so there may be a possibility that

898
01:06:45,010 --> 01:06:49,530
they're looking to be able to have their staff bring the beverages across as

899
01:06:49,530 --> 01:06:53,470
opposed to having the public. And so I just want to make you aware they

900
01:06:53,470 --> 01:07:01,170
may be thinking about that as well. And then is this going to be set

901
01:07:01,170 --> 01:07:05,150
for a certain period? I mean because we're not going to have this through the

902
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:09,610
winter months. No as you recall your ordinance expires sometime in the

903
01:07:09,610 --> 01:07:16,290
October and so all this goes away unless the council changes um that that directive so right

904
01:07:16,290 --> 01:07:22,890
now we have a hot stop and I believe it's like a week after Columbus Day or in this person's day

905
01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:28,850
it's just this this park here I mean every time I go by there's always a bunch of people in it and

906
01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:35,490
a bunch of kids in it so I I guess you know I I think one of them brought their own little

907
01:07:35,490 --> 01:07:40,370
canopy the other day and had it set up on Sunday. They had their kids' birthday party

908
01:07:40,370 --> 01:07:46,870
there or something. So I just want to make sure we have enough space for the residents.

909
01:07:47,070 --> 01:07:52,350
It looks like we do based on this right now, but I'll wait. And once I see everything else,

910
01:07:52,510 --> 01:07:52,910
thank you.

911
01:07:53,810 --> 01:07:54,350
Thank you.

912
01:07:54,550 --> 01:07:54,590
Mark?

913
01:07:55,770 --> 01:08:05,470
Yeah. One of the questions was how are they going to power the airstream, which

914
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:15,090
another entity that they want to put up a hot dog cart, you know, another air stream,

915
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:21,190
and they want to put up a generator, are we going to allow a second, a third, a fourth,

916
01:08:21,270 --> 01:08:27,390
and a fifth, you know, these other entities that want to come and also take advantage

917
01:08:27,390 --> 01:08:28,010
of the park?

918
01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:38,100
So my answer, I believe the answer is going to be unlikely. I mean at some point, we take

919
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:42,280
the public space and the public no longer has a right to that. I think you are going to

920
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:48,360
end up as the new alterable approval of this, going to decide where is that saturation point.

921
01:08:49,420 --> 01:08:55,440
So what we're going to do is we're going to allow either one or two entities, whatever

922
01:08:55,440 --> 01:09:04,580
the number is to have financial gain by using a public property. So, my next piece is, can I go

923
01:09:04,580 --> 01:09:12,720
and set up a hot dog and hamburger stand over at the beach? Because the beach is public and I want

924
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:18,120
to be able to put up an air stream over there so I can sell hamburgers and hot dogs. And I'm not

925
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:25,980
asking the questions to be flipped. I'm not. But for me, we're allowing the you in this particular

926
01:09:25,980 --> 01:09:31,000
case, we're allowing the use of a public space that's used by many people and many citizens

927
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:37,100
in that area of the city who do not have yards. They do not have the ability to go out and play

928
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:43,820
and enjoy. They go to this park, which is in excellent condition right now. And we're going

929
01:09:43,820 --> 01:09:50,080
to coordinate off a section of it for somebody to have financial gain. And, you know, I applaud

930
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:55,840
the effort and I applaud the idea, but it's

931
01:09:57,950 --> 01:10:03,130
everybody, every business would have to have

932
01:10:03,130 --> 01:10:09,690
the ability to go and locate there if they want to. It can't be just he who comes first.

933
01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:13,310
I'm sorry, folks, in my mind, that's just wrong.

934
01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:18,250
Okay, I would like to help, but for me, it's unfair.

935
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:20,550
It is. Thank you, folks.

936
01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:25,630
I just think I'd like to add to that is that, of course, it's an emergency situation.

937
01:10:26,130 --> 01:10:30,890
They invested over $100,000 in that facility and they haven't really made much because they can close down.

938
01:10:31,730 --> 01:10:37,630
My argument would be whether it's that park or the park that abuts Elm Street and Main Street or any other park.

939
01:10:37,630 --> 01:10:42,810
If we can save some businesses in the temporary short-term, I think it's incumbent upon us

940
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:44,910
just to do that to resuscitate our community.

941
01:10:46,190 --> 01:10:51,950
And it's not a perfect system, and I get what Mark's saying, but I just think that it's

942
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:54,210
something that the community, that we have to do.

943
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:55,270
Mark?

944
01:10:55,630 --> 01:11:00,950
Yeah, just one last piece, and a good point, you know, Mayor, and I appreciate that.

945
01:11:00,950 --> 01:11:09,010
but the the idea of an investment into a business is that you invest in a business with the hopes

946
01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:14,830
that it's going to be successful, but not all businesses are successful. There are other folks

947
01:11:14,830 --> 01:11:19,050
that invested in things that they have in the city, but the rules of the city have changed

948
01:11:19,050 --> 01:11:23,090
since their investments have been done and they're not making as much money for their

949
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:26,250
investments and they've invested more money than the hundred thousand dollars.

950
01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:30,010
So, Ergo, can they come to the city and say, hey, listen, I need your help.

951
01:11:30,510 --> 01:11:33,630
You know, I need to make more money because of some of the decisions that you made and,

952
01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:36,350
you know, you're helping this person, now you've got to help me.

953
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:40,530
And again, I'm not being flip, folks, I'm not.

954
01:11:41,970 --> 01:11:46,730
And I understand the argument, and Mayor, with all due respect, I respect the town.

955
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:54,390
But for me, it's looking to spread the peanut butter evenly on a piece of bread

956
01:11:54,390 --> 01:12:04,530
to not have chunky peanut butter this poison. Thank you. Amy? Yeah, so I'm already getting

957
01:12:04,530 --> 01:12:10,590
texts about this from business owners right now in real time asking if they can also get

958
01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:17,550
a quarter of that park. And so I think we need to hold off on this idea until we have

959
01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:26,450
a coherent plan about public spaces. Because at this point, we need to be sure that we're

960
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:36,150
doing things that support everybody. And I'm not at all – I am very sensitive to the needs of

961
01:12:36,150 --> 01:12:41,670
Magnus. I'm very sensitive to the needs to not use up all the parking spaces, filling them with

962
01:12:41,670 --> 01:12:47,290
two tops if we could use park space just a little bit of it that still reserves the park

963
01:12:47,290 --> 01:12:52,650
space for the people like I understand what we're talking about I like the idea of closing

964
01:12:52,650 --> 01:12:59,030
streets more than I like the idea of closing parks quite frankly but I think at this moment

965
01:12:59,670 --> 01:13:05,190
I'm very nervous to support this until we have a plan in place that addresses other

966
01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:10,830
public spaces and is more equitable among people.

967
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:15,150
Where am I, Norm?

968
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:18,830
I guess I'm somewhere between Amy and Mark.

969
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:20,930
You know, I'm comfortable.

970
01:13:21,170 --> 01:13:23,510
I mean, it's nice to do stuff equally.

971
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:25,330
Do everyone give equal opportunity.

972
01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:28,270
But we've already done stuff that isn't equal for the sake of this pandemic.

973
01:13:28,710 --> 01:13:31,970
I mean, people are allowed to have stuff outside of their restaurant.

974
01:13:32,350 --> 01:13:35,270
I'm not allowed to bring a hot dog cart outside their restaurant to sell hot dogs.

975
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:39,930
So, and again, I realized Mark was, you know, just pushing the example and pushing the envelope.

976
01:13:40,290 --> 01:13:45,350
But nonetheless, we're already doing stuff because this is a truly unusual time

977
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:49,370
to try to keep, allow people to keep their head afloat. And in this particular case,

978
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:53,570
this park space has to be, happens to be very close to Magnus on the water.

979
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:58,930
And so it's more in the mindset of, to me, the parking, you know, the sidewalks next to

980
01:13:58,930 --> 01:14:02,450
a restaurant that we're allowing some people to use and not other people. We don't allow

981
01:14:02,450 --> 01:14:08,090
anyone in town to come use it. Though I do think we need to get more public input so I don't think

982
01:14:08,090 --> 01:14:13,550
we should approve it tonight and just say to staff go ahead do it I think we you know we should

983
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:18,490
direct the staff to come back to us make sure the public has a chance to weigh in on this issue

984
01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:23,390
we may or may not agree with the public that I have to say so I do think this is a good thing

985
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:28,070
I think we should be doing stuff to throw people a lifeline so they can survive this pandemic

986
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:32,550
in this, you know, unusual times. And I don't think you necessarily make it, you know, open

987
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:36,690
it up to all in this meeting. You know, we may come up with a program. But I don't think

988
01:14:36,690 --> 01:14:40,450
we necessarily need rules for all public spaces because we've already done, to a certain extent,

989
01:14:40,770 --> 01:14:45,410
an exception with regard to sidewalks. So I think we can make an exception here too if

990
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:50,710
the council deems fit, given the particular circumstances of this particular case. Thanks.

991
01:14:51,630 --> 01:14:52,830
Thank you. Anybody else?

992
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:59,880
I mean, it's an emergency situation, I mean, every week.

993
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,860
That we missed is another week that someone's in more financial trouble. I don't think that

994
01:15:04,860 --> 01:15:10,260
there's going to be a rush there because as Norm indicated, excuse my dog, as Norm indicated

995
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:16,620
that Magus of Butts that there are really no other businesses nearby that really can take

996
01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:20,920
advantage of that the way they can. I've got my hand up.

997
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:26,200
You can do, of course, is that council authorized that, you know, some time ago that staff

998
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:33,120
can make decisions unless there were some indication that the council was questioning that then it

999
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:38,500
can come back to the council. I don't like the idea of it going to policy because it's too far away

1000
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:42,580
and then it's going to come back to the council so I have no problem whatsoever putting on the

1001
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:47,300
agenda for next Wednesday. You know if that's what the council wants to do. I have no problem

1002
01:15:47,300 --> 01:15:51,660
with saying staff do it tonight but you know obviously there's a different opinion there.

1003
01:15:52,820 --> 01:15:54,820
Is that a hand up or was one that never came down?

1004
01:15:54,820 --> 01:16:03,680
No, it's been up. It was up when Mark was talking, but his first time. The, you know,

1005
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:10,080
the Airstream is the problem because, you know, a lot of places could bring it. And Magnus

1006
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:14,180
is already, we already gave them the street and we sold them the parks. They got all

1007
01:16:14,180 --> 01:16:20,920
that other outside seating also. So it's not like they don't have a lot of outdoor

1008
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:26,440
seating that they couldn't arrange it within their own facility and on the sidewalk besides

1009
01:16:26,980 --> 01:16:33,320
if we gave them some park space. But setting an airstream up is just, you know, if you're

1010
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,760
if you're going to sell the burgers or whatever other restaurants down there that wants to

1011
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:43,800
buy an airstream because that's an investment too. So thank you.

1012
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:49,080
Amy. Yeah, I just want to clarify what I'm looking

1013
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:55,020
for from staff. I'm not saying, I did not mean to say that we should have a very detailed

1014
01:16:55,020 --> 01:16:59,960
plan about every public space, but I think we need to keep in mind that once we do this,

1015
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:05,880
the palace would like to have the back of Chetanel Park. Well, okay, that's reasonable,

1016
01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:11,100
but then the wine bar is close to there. Like, we just have to know the can of worms

1017
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:16,280
that were opening and think hard about how we're going to make those decisions

1018
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:23,540
in a way that's fair to everybody, who is a restaurant, who has some amount of outdoor

1019
01:17:23,540 --> 01:17:28,420
space, because Magnus does have quite a bit of outdoor space to start with.

1020
01:17:28,580 --> 01:17:33,400
I think it's not a terrible imposition to say, give us like one council meeting to try

1021
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:38,100
and figure this out, because I do think this is an important decision to get right for

1022
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,640
the benefit of all the other businesses in town.

1023
01:17:42,660 --> 01:17:43,260
Thank you, Bob.

1024
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:53,610
I was just going to say that I was like yourself, Mr. Mayor, I'm all in favor of doing this

1025
01:17:53,610 --> 01:17:54,930
for Magnus ASAP.

1026
01:17:55,090 --> 01:18:02,310
I know everything you guys have spoken about and I agree with some of it, but just anecdotally

1027
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:08,570
I guess, or maybe as an example, my friend owns one of the busier breakfast joints in

1028
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:09,010
Bitterford.

1029
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:12,110
On a normal Saturday she would sell 400 plates.

1030
01:18:12,110 --> 01:18:19,710
now she's down to 137 and that's with outside seating curbside and separating

1031
01:18:19,710 --> 01:18:25,530
the inside tables by every six feet so the quicker we can get these companies

1032
01:18:25,530 --> 01:18:35,030
some relief I think better and as far as making it even I look at it this way

1033
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:40,010
we drive by 99 restaurant and they have the luxury of having a big parking lot

1034
01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:45,870
And yet they were probably able to take, you know, maybe 50 square feet and turning into

1035
01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:51,170
an outside dining room, whereas some of the main street places like Caldwell can't do that.

1036
01:18:51,690 --> 01:18:54,770
So I think it's kind of just leveling the playing field.

1037
01:18:55,230 --> 01:19:01,450
I think somebody will leave Caldwell and say, well, let's put a 99 because, you know,

1038
01:19:01,550 --> 01:19:02,790
those reasons I just said.

1039
01:19:02,910 --> 01:19:06,490
So I'm all in support of doing whatever needs to be done to help these businesses

1040
01:19:06,490 --> 01:19:07,050
spread.

1041
01:19:07,450 --> 01:19:07,770
Thanks.

1042
01:19:07,770 --> 01:19:07,910
Thanks.

1043
01:19:09,790 --> 01:19:10,510
Thank you, Bob.

1044
01:19:11,890 --> 01:19:12,210
Jim?

1045
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:15,350
Yeah, just procedurally,

1046
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:20,930
the policy, the way you've set that up, is that if there was

1047
01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:24,870
some concern, it was going to go to policy, because policy could pull the meeting off

1048
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:26,870
pretty quickly and make that decision.

1049
01:19:27,090 --> 01:19:29,730
You're next official council meeting isn't until two weeks.

1050
01:19:30,930 --> 01:19:37,530
And so you would—that was the rationale the council used at that time to make it

1051
01:19:37,530 --> 01:19:38,210
go to policy.

1052
01:19:38,210 --> 01:19:44,470
So, at this point, I think that unless you tell me something different, we would work

1053
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:48,630
with the Chair of the Policy Committee to try to have a quick meeting in order to be

1054
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:54,170
able to wrestle with this based on the way it's currently set up, unless you tell me

1055
01:19:54,170 --> 01:19:56,330
something different in order to deal with that.

1056
01:19:57,130 --> 01:20:03,610
From staff perspective, we've identified the public space other than the sidewalks.

1057
01:20:03,610 --> 01:20:11,590
There is a proximity issue or relationship with these things so that the way that the policy

1058
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:18,850
or the ordinance was drafted was your business needs to be in location that or close proximity

1059
01:20:18,850 --> 01:20:20,210
to it to be able to use that.

1060
01:20:20,590 --> 01:20:28,910
So for instance, somebody could come in from, you know, a different part of the community

1061
01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:33,110
and say, I want to stop on sidewalk in front of your particular business.

1062
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:36,730
That's really, that's not the intent of the audience.

1063
01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:44,730
It has to be a relationship in terms of that the public space that a person wants to use

1064
01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:49,350
has to be close to where that business is in order to make it part of that unless we

1065
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:51,490
ended up doing a whole street.

1066
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:57,010
And then at that point when you do the street, then you can open it up to other businesses

1067
01:20:57,010 --> 01:20:58,190
that are in that area.

1068
01:20:58,650 --> 01:21:00,190
That's the way we've been approaching it.

1069
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:03,560
Thank you, Jim. Mark?

1070
01:21:05,060 --> 01:21:10,240
The biggest hurdle that I have with this particular one is being able to use an airstream. There

1071
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:16,540
are no other businesses that could set up in Chevenel Park and put an airstream.

1072
01:21:21,630 --> 01:21:23,430
I want

1073
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:29,030
to help. I mean, I really, really do. But it's opening up a can of worms because if

1074
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:36,050
If we're allowing an airstream for one entity down at Mechanics Park, why can't another

1075
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:41,130
restaurant on Main Street also use an airstream?

1076
01:21:41,290 --> 01:21:44,430
Because it doesn't have to be proximity to use an airstream.

1077
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:52,030
It's separately functioning than what the original address is for the current restaurant.

1078
01:21:52,030 --> 01:21:59,910
And beyond restaurants, if somebody has a place where they sell clothes or they sell jewelry,

1079
01:22:00,590 --> 01:22:07,470
can they now put a 24 by 36 tent, like you see at a wedding, down at the park so they

1080
01:22:07,470 --> 01:22:10,070
can have open house to be able to help them sell stuff?

1081
01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:14,950
And should they have a right to be able to use the park because now you're allowing

1082
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:16,330
somebody else to use the park?

1083
01:22:19,810 --> 01:22:20,710
Sorry, folks.

1084
01:22:21,230 --> 01:22:21,510
Thanks.

1085
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:27,570
That's all that's okay. I mean it's just a lot of good questions. I think I also don't think we're

1086
01:22:27,570 --> 01:22:31,050
opening up a can of worms. I think the can of worms is open because of the pandemic.

1087
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:36,450
Nothing's normal. I think it's the same. And so even in terms of winners and losers,

1088
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:42,850
it's, no matter what we do, we're not going to be able to satisfy or help everybody. It's

1089
01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:48,690
just the way it is. The question is what can we do for the greater good? That's what

1090
01:22:48,690 --> 01:22:55,330
going to boil down to. And I had no miracle answers myself, but I just see this as an opportunity.

1091
01:22:56,370 --> 01:23:04,430
That's where I am. Could I ask a question to see if I can help move this along? We've already,

1092
01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:09,050
from staff perspective, the sidewalk piece is already all set for them because nobody had

1093
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:14,030
concern about that. If they came back to us tomorrow and said they could do this without

1094
01:23:14,030 --> 01:23:23,410
the air stream is that comfortable for the council given their proximity and more comfortable. Yes.

1095
01:23:24,770 --> 01:23:29,970
Is that am I because I'm reading the air stream is sort of a trigger point here and I just want

1096
01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:35,710
to make sure that I'm not making a conclusion is not that it's not the fair conclusion. No.

1097
01:23:36,250 --> 01:23:41,390
I have no issue with the air stream and I wouldn't care for the company want to do it as well.

1098
01:23:41,390 --> 01:23:46,210
So either way, you guys want to do this. I'm fine because

1099
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:53,440
I see two paths three paths here

1100
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:58,420
and I just want to make sure that we're doing what the council wants us to do.

1101
01:23:58,420 --> 01:24:04,020
Path number one is we would get a hold of John and ask John to pull his policy committee

1102
01:24:04,020 --> 01:24:08,260
together to wrestle with this particular application as it stands right now.

1103
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:15,320
So, option number two is they could reconfigure this without the airstream if they wanted

1104
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:20,580
to and then find out whether or not the council is okay without the airstream that they could

1105
01:24:20,580 --> 01:24:24,820
proceed with it or is that not a fair conclusion based on the comments.

1106
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,620
I'm just trying to, I'm not trying to get you to do something.

1107
01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:32,160
I'm just trying to understand what the issue is so that I can help direct where

1108
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,040
we need to go with that.

1109
01:24:34,540 --> 01:24:35,020
John?

1110
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:43,740
I'd be I'd entertain it without the airstream. I still would you know, that's across the street

1111
01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:49,840
So I still would have to figure out everything else. We've done has been right in front of businesses. It hasn't been

1112
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:58,340
You know across the street and I just like to know what the plan is to get whatever it is across the street

1113
01:24:58,340 --> 01:25:03,700
I just wouldn't want to see patrons say um, I'm buying a beer here. I'm gonna go sit in the park. I

1114
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:10,340
I don't think the liquor license would allow them to do that, John.

1115
01:25:10,660 --> 01:25:14,880
But what I'm hearing is you would like to know what the details are on how that would

1116
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:19,700
work but not necessarily have to have it before the committee so that you could then react

1117
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:20,120
to it.

1118
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:20,900
Is that what I'm hearing?

1119
01:25:22,060 --> 01:25:22,460
Yeah.

1120
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,840
I mean, based on what everybody was saying, you could draw up a plan and if there's

1121
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:32,460
no harm in that one and you get no feedback and everybody says, okay, then we're

1122
01:25:32,460 --> 01:25:32,640
good.

1123
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:38,200
But if one counselor says there's a problem, let's pull a policy committee meeting as soon

1124
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:38,740
as we can.

1125
01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:41,340
And the last one we had at 10 o'clock in the morning.

1126
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:48,400
I mean, we could pull one together as long as Norm and Doris and everybody else can make

1127
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:48,560
it.

1128
01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:49,920
We can do it during the day.

1129
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,740
I mean, we did the last one during the day.

1130
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:55,560
Thank you.

1131
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,860
Norm and Amy, and I'm assuming Rob's hand is just up from Previsio.

1132
01:26:00,580 --> 01:26:00,860
Norm?

1133
01:26:00,860 --> 01:26:04,980
Okay. So, you know, for me, the air stream is not the issue. So I know some for some

1134
01:26:04,980 --> 01:26:08,980
people that it, but that's to me, it's not an issue. But, you know, I think, you know,

1135
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,060
if they want to come back and propose with without an air stream, I don't, you know,

1136
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,460
I don't think we should wait until the next proposal comes to start setting up that that

1137
01:26:16,460 --> 01:26:20,800
policy committee meeting, John, because it takes a time to get find people in opening

1138
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,980
the people schedule. So I would suggest let's do that on, you know, and if if

1139
01:26:24,980 --> 01:26:28,220
it turns out no one objects, we come up with something and no one objects, we

1140
01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:29,140
we can always cancel the meeting,

1141
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,120
but I would like to make sure we get on this quickly.

1142
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,480
As everyone knows, summer is short here,

1143
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:35,200
so the sooner we get this thing approved,

1144
01:26:35,740 --> 01:26:37,400
if that's where, if we're going to,

1145
01:26:37,460 --> 01:26:39,460
as soon as we act on this one way or another,

1146
01:26:39,580 --> 01:26:40,220
the better right there.

1147
01:26:40,780 --> 01:26:41,180
Thanks.

1148
01:26:41,420 --> 01:26:43,260
So then let's do this in common.

1149
01:26:43,420 --> 01:26:45,260
Can you see what the availability is?

1150
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,620
We'll give them tomorrow to come up with a plan

1151
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:51,280
availability for a policy committee meeting for Thursday,

1152
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,140
somewhere between 10 o'clock in the morning

1153
01:26:55,140 --> 01:26:57,740
and two o'clock in the afternoon?

1154
01:27:00,940 --> 01:27:03,200
Uh, Amy, then Bill.

1155
01:27:04,220 --> 01:27:05,240
Yeah, just real quickly.

1156
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:06,920
For me, it's not about the Airstream.

1157
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,500
It's about that being a public resource.

1158
01:27:09,980 --> 01:27:13,260
And if we're going to, it's not a contiguous public resource.

1159
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,660
It's not like their sidewalk.

1160
01:27:17,340 --> 01:27:20,680
It's a space that everybody has equal right to.

1161
01:27:20,980 --> 01:27:22,660
They don't have extra rights to it

1162
01:27:22,660 --> 01:27:24,700
because they're nearby, like with the sidewalk.

1163
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:32,340
And so for me if we're gonna do this I would almost rather we say like this is now the city of bit of her dining

1164
01:27:32,340 --> 01:27:37,800
Pavilion and rent a whole bunch of picnic tables and say anybody who gets take out anywhere

1165
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:43,020
Come and sit at our dining pavilion and have somebody from public works come and clean it up every night

1166
01:27:43,020 --> 01:27:48,180
Like I just want to make damn sure that we feel good about giving this away

1167
01:27:48,180 --> 01:27:52,100
Because we don't have all the parks in the world to do this for everybody

1168
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:56,980
And I'm already getting requests from various businesses who are like, okay, well, if it's

1169
01:27:56,980 --> 01:28:00,400
about proximity, can I have a corner of the Foss Street parking lot?

1170
01:28:01,020 --> 01:28:07,740
Like, I think we need to try and figure it out more strategically than just the knee-jerk

1171
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:11,840
reaction of trying to do the most good for the person who asked first.

1172
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,920
Though I want to do good for them, and I'm very sensitive to the time.

1173
01:28:16,220 --> 01:28:20,400
And speaking of time, I have a hard stop at 7.30 and have to jump on another call.

1174
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,960
I'll be interested to see how this turns out.

1175
01:28:23,140 --> 01:28:24,620
Thank you all and good night.

1176
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:27,440
Bill?

1177
01:28:28,580 --> 01:28:28,740
Yeah.

1178
01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:35,240
You know, a lot of good comments and I want to be just careful that we don't talk ourselves

1179
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:40,180
into the perfect solution here that, you know, I think, Alan, as you said, it's for

1180
01:28:40,180 --> 01:28:40,780
the greater good.

1181
01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:41,900
It's for the participants.

1182
01:28:42,940 --> 01:28:46,480
You know, it's for the people that want to go and eat there at different places.

1183
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:53,740
So the perfect solution is to do nothing because then it doesn't change anything and to me that's just not an option

1184
01:28:53,740 --> 01:28:59,760
You know that I want to be real careful. We don't talk ourselves into doing nothing. I think this is a unique time

1185
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:05,360
I think this is you know stressful for everyone for the businesses for the people who

1186
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:11,700
You know normally like to go out, you know, and so I think we need to find a solution. Let's be strategic about it

1187
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:15,520
It's not gonna be perfect, but dammit. Let's do something

1188
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:18,960
Thank you. Thank you, Doris

1189
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:27,700
I I would agree with with bill there. I feel like their stream isn't an issue for me

1190
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,260
the fairness is and

1191
01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:35,980
In the timing we know summer is short we need to get on this right away

1192
01:29:35,980 --> 01:29:38,880
So whatever we can do to figure it out would be great

1193
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,000
I'm wondering if maybe their situation could be one where

1194
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:49,520
where they can have tables in the parking spaces and also on their sidewalks.

1195
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:56,340
And they have the park next door if we decide not to go with them putting the air stream

1196
01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:56,780
in the park.

1197
01:29:57,460 --> 01:29:59,800
But again, I just wanted to say that we need to

1198
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,660
Act on this right away and try to think outside of the box and try to support them. That's it.

1199
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:07,900
Thanks, guys. Thanks, Dars.

1200
01:30:11,620 --> 01:30:12,480
Anybody else?

1201
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:18,280
So,

1202
01:30:20,830 --> 01:30:23,170
I mean, John's willing to hold a committee meeting on

1203
01:30:23,170 --> 01:30:25,690
Thursday. Is that the route people want to go?

1204
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:34,240
John? I thought we were going to see what staff

1205
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:40,200
came up with between tomorrow, send it out, and if anybody had an issue, then we were going to

1206
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,040
take a rate to policy on Thursday. We're going to give one more crack at it to come

1207
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:49,180
up with something to see if the council could all buy off on it. And if anybody objected,

1208
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:53,540
then we would take a rate to policy. So we're setting up a policy meeting for Thursday,

1209
01:30:54,260 --> 01:30:58,060
and we're giving staff tomorrow to come up with something. So if they don't come

1210
01:30:58,060 --> 01:31:02,240
up with anything that's amenable to the council, then we'll take it to policy.

1211
01:31:02,900 --> 01:31:05,560
And Carmen will work to set up a policy meeting on Thursday.

1212
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:05,800
first day?

1213
01:31:06,340 --> 01:31:11,960
My sense is, John, based on the conversation that I think it would be helpful for the policy

1214
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:18,980
to have a discussion anyways, because, you know, so, for instance, yellows, their most

1215
01:31:18,980 --> 01:31:23,880
likely space would be the small park that's next toward them. Now, there wouldn't be the

1216
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:28,420
same sort of demand like this, and it's a little different scenario, but it isn't

1217
01:31:28,420 --> 01:31:33,960
different. It is, but it isn't. And so my sense is that it probably makes sense

1218
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:39,500
for you as the policy committee to have this at least general discussion even if you don't have

1219
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:44,300
this application to be able to provide some guidance for us to be helpful as more of these

1220
01:31:44,300 --> 01:31:49,380
opportunities come along or more of these requests come based on the conversation I heard today.

1221
01:31:50,220 --> 01:32:00,340
I'm fine either way so all right. Mike. Yeah and I guess I just John had already said it I

1222
01:32:00,340 --> 01:32:05,800
I thought that was the understanding too but something that you John said is the standard on

1223
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:13,900
this that if one council has an objection then it doesn't go forward? Not on this particular item but

1224
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:19,180
on the ones that Robbie's been sending forward if someone has an objection it doesn't go forward?

1225
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:30,580
But there haven't been any objections I requested people to email me and several people did not

1226
01:32:33,180 --> 01:32:41,940
I don't know if that should be the case that one of one councilor can you know slow a whole

1227
01:32:41,940 --> 01:32:47,040
process down shouldn't it just be majority like like for everything else that's just kind

1228
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:51,140
of what I was thinking and I was going to say something similar to councilor ready about

1229
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:56,000
you know if one if one councilor objects and it goes to politics

1230
01:32:57,340 --> 01:33:02,280
I don't know. I don't know if that's the right way to do it. I think it just, it sounds

1231
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:07,880
like paralysis from over analysis. So that's all I got.

1232
01:33:09,060 --> 01:33:15,040
And I think the reason why that was somewhat put together was so that we didn't have to

1233
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:20,160
have a council meeting to vote on each and every one of these. That was the main premise

1234
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:28,040
of how that came about and policy just got picked for it, but that was the main premise

1235
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,960
so that we could move these along really fast instead of half and a half.

1236
01:33:32,140 --> 01:33:35,040
The businesses wait every two weeks to the council met.

1237
01:33:35,480 --> 01:33:42,180
We let staff do the decision and do that because otherwise if we need to go back to

1238
01:33:42,180 --> 01:33:46,060
doing every two weeks with the council meeting, that's so you can debate it.

1239
01:33:46,060 --> 01:33:51,620
That's not the question. The question is, should it be one person has an objection or

1240
01:33:51,620 --> 01:33:57,680
that stops it? And that sends it to the policy with one objection?

1241
01:33:58,440 --> 01:34:00,880
That's the way that order got voted on.

1242
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:01,880
Yeah.

1243
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:02,600
Jim?

1244
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:09,720
Yeah, the reason we stood up with that extreme was because of this very concern, because

1245
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:14,920
we anticipated from a staff perspective that we would get some request, particularly

1246
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:18,440
with the history of some of the alcohol questions in public box.

1247
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,460
And so we wanted to make sure that there wasn't something that happened

1248
01:34:22,460 --> 01:34:25,380
that blew up all the other really good items.

1249
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,100
Now that you've had, you know, maybe that's a discussion on Thursday,

1250
01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:31,240
the policy committee ought to have and say,

1251
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,080
okay, do we really still need to have it at one

1252
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:38,200
or should we save two or three members now have an injection to it?

1253
01:34:38,540 --> 01:34:41,940
Because as you, some of you know that have served on the council

1254
01:34:41,940 --> 01:34:43,880
as long as I've been the city manager here.

1255
01:34:44,820 --> 01:34:50,420
In times past, there would be a particular councilor because their particular stance on alcohol,

1256
01:34:50,860 --> 01:34:53,440
they would have an objection to any of these issues.

1257
01:34:54,340 --> 01:35:01,940
And so that may have caused us some issues in the past on that particular area.

1258
01:35:02,300 --> 01:35:06,000
So maybe that, now that you've had some chance to look at these things and understand

1259
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:11,180
it, maybe that's also a discussion that the policy committee could have on Thursday

1260
01:35:11,180 --> 01:35:19,760
as well to revisit that one one concern triggers the review. Speaking as a person that's voted against

1261
01:35:20,460 --> 01:35:26,920
allowing any alcohol in the parks I don't have a problem with this situation because typically when

1262
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:33,620
we're asked to allow you know nonprofits or whatever to as part of their event to have

1263
01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:38,260
alcohol in the parks we're not in the middle of the pandemic that's driving businesses out of

1264
01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:44,280
business through no fault of their own so I just I was I didn't realize that

1265
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:49,040
that was the intent of the vote was one person if that's that's the way it was

1266
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,380
written that's the way it was written council ready I wasn't referring to you

1267
01:35:52,380 --> 01:35:57,620
by the way no it's a but I I've said it to Robbie several times but I I wanted

1268
01:35:57,620 --> 01:36:05,740
to make clear that that's not the case this situation thank you Mike mark so

1269
01:36:05,740 --> 01:36:11,540
So my last piece on this, and yes, I want to help people just like everybody else.

1270
01:36:14,380 --> 01:36:20,320
My day job requires me to go into this type of thing, which is, well, what kind of airstream

1271
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:21,220
are we talking about?

1272
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:24,140
Is it a 12-footer or is it a 48-footer?

1273
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,680
They have, that's the length of these things.

1274
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:33,760
Is it a 1952 airstream that's all beat up and patched together with duct tape

1275
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:37,180
or is a nice brand new shiny one that will be down at the park.

1276
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,040
You know, we don't know which version that's going to be.

1277
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,080
And I would think that even though we want to allow if that was to happen,

1278
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:49,400
I think people would say, you know what, I'd rather see a brand new nice shiny one down there

1279
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:53,780
because it would look better for everything versus a old 50-year-old beat-up one

1280
01:36:53,780 --> 01:36:55,580
helped by, you know, with duct tape.

1281
01:36:55,740 --> 01:37:01,760
And I would rather have the generator be 40 decibels instead of at 78 decibels.

1282
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:08,540
you know, from a noise standpoint. So, anyways, thank you folks for your indulgence.

1283
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:15,580
So, I guess the way it's going to work is that staff will engage with them tomorrow

1284
01:37:15,580 --> 01:37:21,240
and come up with a secondary plan with or without that airstream.

1285
01:37:22,100 --> 01:37:26,000
We send it out to the council. If there's objection, it goes to policy.

1286
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:30,940
I mean, that's a pretty quick turnover time, obviously, if we can get it out by Thursday.

1287
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:34,740
Everybody happy with that?

1288
01:37:34,940 --> 01:37:38,960
I mean, not happy, but everybody, after I've already told you, it's going to be a short

1289
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:39,240
meeting.

1290
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:41,080
Is that okay?

1291
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:42,440
Yeah.

1292
01:37:42,980 --> 01:37:44,020
Any objections to that format?

1293
01:37:44,660 --> 01:37:44,960
No.

1294
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:45,360
No.

1295
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:46,500
Okay.

1296
01:37:47,420 --> 01:37:48,140
If we have one.

1297
01:37:48,300 --> 01:37:49,140
Anything, Steve?

1298
01:37:49,340 --> 01:37:49,920
Is that your hand?

1299
01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:51,460
No.

1300
01:37:51,620 --> 01:37:52,880
No, I'm ready to sign out.

1301
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:53,700
Yeah.

1302
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:54,140
Oh, my gosh.

1303
01:37:54,140 --> 01:38:05,400
all right close the workshop thank you goodnight everybody night all thanks

1304
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:05,760
everyone