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I want to call to order the meeting of
the Big Bear Fire Authority for

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February,
February, July 14th, 2026 is now called

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to order. Please join me in a moment of
silence.

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Director Mel, would you please lead us
in?

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» Please join join me in honoring our
country and our flag. I pledge algiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all the

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roll call, please

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» here.

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» Dctor
>> here.

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» Dr. J
>> here.

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» Dctor
>> here.

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» Dctor
here.

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» Director Ziggler.
>> Yes.

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» Director Heric is absent.
>> Director Hicks

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» still.
>> Director Melnik

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» here.
>> Director Siggoia

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» here.
>> All right. That's a forum. Thank you.

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» Moving on. Now we enter the public
comment period. As a reminder, any

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member of the public may address the
board on items within the board subject

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matter jurisdiction, but which are not
listed on this agenda during public

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comments. However, no action may be
taken on matters that are not part of

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the posted agenda agenda.
Please limit comments to three minutes

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per person. This time limit may be
shortened by the chair to accommodate a

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large number of speakers.
We have um just one for general comment

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or public comment and that would be
Patrice Dunar

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Lake directors, your recent decision to
withhold taxpayers funds from the fire

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department because quote the board voted
to abide by the JPA agreement has now

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created a public safety concern. Several
safety personnel have already left the

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department and have not been replaced,
leaving critical vacancies in our

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emergency response system. As a result,
we are currently experiencing

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perforation downstaffing because there
are not enough qualified personnel on

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the payroll available to fill shifts.
The firefighters and command staff in

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this room know this to be true. I
believe that the public should also

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recognize that the uncertainty
surrounding the future of this

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department is already affecting employee
retention. Experienced personnel,

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including your own son, Randy, are
actively looking and choosing to leave

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for other agencies rather than wait to
see what happens here. While the city

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continues to insist that everyone must
strictly abide by the agreement, I would

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remind everyone in this room that the
city itself spent $80,000 of taxpayer

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funds to hire citygate associates to
evaluate the health of the fire

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department. Earlier this year, Citygate
Representative Stuart Gray stated in his

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presentation to the community that the
JPA agreement is a skeletal agreement

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based on the best practices of 2012 and
has not been meaningfully updated since

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the authority was formed. Mr. Mr. Gray
also addressed the financial provisions

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in section 7 of the agreement by
stating, quote, "The truth was when the

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authority was formed, the 50/50 was only
the headquartered number of personnel

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and not the total number of personnel."
Let that sink in, everyone. The city's

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own consultant stated that the 50/50
cost sharing applies to admin costs and

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not the total tax revenue contributions.
Furthermore, section 7 is the sole basis

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for the city withholding funds from this
department, and it is at best an

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incomplete interpretation of the
agreement. Third party legal counsel has

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acknowledged that this is an issue that
is not clear-cut as some may have

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suggested. Separately, the agreement
outlines the process for mandatory

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dispute resolution. Sections 8 and 11
establish the requirement that CSD board

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president and fire protection district
chair first meet and negotiate in good

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faith to resolve any dispute. If those
negotiations fail, the matters to be

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sent to JAMS, a third party mediation
service. That never transpired. Rather

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than engaging in mandatory mediation
outlined by the JPA agreement, the city

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immediately threatens CSC with
litigation. Third party legal council

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has also identified this as a potential
point of contention for future legal

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proceedings against the agencies. If
this board expects every provision of

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the JPA to be enforced when it supports
its position that every provision,

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including the required dispute
resolution process, should have been

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honored as well. The city of Bidar Lake
cannot selectively enforce the

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agreement. The residents of this valley
deserve consistency, accountability, and

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decisions that place public safety ahead
of personal political disagreements.

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» Mr.

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What a good speech.
About time you're making some sense.

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[snorts] I've been watching this uh
program the last year and a half or more

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and I've never seen anything so pathetic
in my life.

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What the hell is Big Bear Lake thinking
and doing?

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It's just amazing.
The other day we had 1.8. Oh, the Brown

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Act. Yeah, you know what? What a
There'll be more paperwork on that, Mr.

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Putts.
[clears throat]

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spending more money. Two buildings over
in Big Bear Lake that haven't been used

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for probably 20 years or more.
And they want to start some type of

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office and some type of another one over
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like uh Bare Mountain

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somewhere between a,000 to $2,000 a
square foot or more. Plus, there's no

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bathrooms, no sleeping quarters there.
But yet, Big Bear Lake has their ass on

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fire to redo those buildings.
It's just find it amazing. How much

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money is that going to be? Oh, it's just
to check it out. Now, it moves it along

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to start two separate buildings over
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What? We've had this one what for the
last I don't know 20 years, 15 years,

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whatever. Brand new trucks, brand new
building. But yeah, Big Bear Lake wants

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to go out and
make a couple redo a couple more

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buildings. They don't like the trash
site against them. They did a cluster on

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that trying to move it. And I'm looking
into that because I didn't see any

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approvals on the work that was done
there with the asphalt and all the other

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things where those two ladies were
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So they were trying to move it there,
which is the dumbest thing I've ever

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seen in my life. And oh no, no, we're
not going to use it for storage. We're

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going to use it for something else.
But I hear they want to close down the

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trash site.
Isn't that amazing?

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What kind of operation is this?
Everything I see from start to finish is

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on the fault of Big Bear Lake.
They haven't been cooperative.

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They've been kind of one-sided.
Very one-sided.

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It just doesn't seem to end. They
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doing making these two other fire
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Why now?
I think it looks kind of foolish,

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but not after some of the things that
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years. It looks predictable now to me.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you, Dad. Okay, moving on to the
consent calendar. All matters on the

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consent calendar are considered routine
and are and are to be approved with one

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motion unless
a board member or staff member request

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separate action on specific items. First
item number one approve of demands check

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issues between 420
26 and 528 2026.

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Approve
approval of meeting minutes from the

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June 3rd, 2026 special meeting of Vic
Authority.

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» Number three,
>> you skip something.

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» No, you have the dates.

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» No, sorry about that.

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» Chair, I move for approval.
>> I'll second.

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All right.

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» Go ahead.
>> Can I ask that all the directors make

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sure their microphone has a green light
on?

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» And this is going to be roll call for
approving the consent calendar.

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All right. Uh, Director Hicks.
>> Hi.

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» Director Melnik. Hi.
>> Director PZ.

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» Hi. Director Bro,

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» Director Bo,
>> I heard.

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» Sorry.

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» Hi,
>> Director JRo.

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» Hi,
>> Director Russo.

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» Hi,
>> Director Walsh.

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» Hi,
>> Director Ziggler.

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» Hi,
>> Director Siggoia.

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» Hi.
>> Thank you. Passes.

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» All right, moving on to new business.
[clears throat] Excuse me. Number four,

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resolution to approve side letter
agreement to the memorandum of

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understanding January 1st, 2024 through
December 31st, 2025 between the Big Bear

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Fire Authority and the Big Bear
Professional Fire Fighters L35.

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Do any members [snorts] of the public
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Directors, do you have any comments?
>> I did have a a question for Kristen if I

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I could maybe I missed it, but um in the
agenda report um was there any mention?

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» Oh, I guess I didn't. Uh so there is no
uh financial impact of this, correct?

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» Correct. We budget each year for this
and estimated we don't know exactly

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who's going to pass or how many. So, so
this cost is budgeted for and will be

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absorbed by the current budget.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Else
motion second.

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» I'll make a motion.
Second.

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» All righty. Um, director

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Yes.
>> Director Hicks.

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» Yeah.
>> Director Melnik.

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» What was that?
>> Yes.

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» Director Puttz.
>> Yes.

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» Director Vero.
>> Hi.

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» Director Jro.
>> Hi.

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» Director Russo.
>> Hi.

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» Director Walsh.
>> Hi.

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» Director Siggoia.
>> Hi.

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» Thank you.
Moving on to the big verifier authority

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board recommendation for year 2026 2027
proposed budget.

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Chief Wagner,
>> if I could just before I turn it over to

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Kristen to address some of the comments
that have been made decisions to brown

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out positions based on the fact that uh
we don't know exactly what our budget is

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going to be, although we have a letter
that kind of states anticipated funding

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and just to be responsible the budget uh
to make sure that we can make payroll

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and move forward through this next year.
The decision was made to bring out some

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of the suppression positions and nothing
I wouldn't arbitrarily decide not to

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fill positions. I'll turn it over to
Crystal.

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» At the June 9th budget workshop, a
budget was presented as requested that

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showed both agencies contributing
equally along with multiple cuts that

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would have resulted in a reduction in
fund balance of $262,000.

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At that meeting, the board further voted
to adjust the proposed budget by

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eliminating the fire inspector position
for savings of 163,000

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and board stipens for 5200.
Additionally, the position of the HR

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payroll coordinator has become vacant
and rather than hire somebody for a

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period of less than a year,
administration is continuing to handle

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those duties on top of our own and to
remove the cost of that position from

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the final budget in the amount of
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Due to recent promotions, there was an
additional savings of 113,000 in

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salaries.
Also in a coordinated effort to reduce

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fire authority expenses and CSD workload
related to fire services,

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the annual CSD general support services,
LFCO aortionment and miscellaneous UAL

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charges from the CSD were eliminated
from the budget in the amount of

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$52,000.
These changes in total would have

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resulted in a positive fund balance
contribution in the amount of 198,000.

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On July 1st, the fire authority received
a letter from the city manager stating

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that the fire protection district will
be taking a credit in the current fiscal

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year in the amount of 899
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to offset the difference in property tax
pass through revenues between the CSD

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and protection district last fiscal
year. Additionally, staff was informed

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by the city's finance officer that they
would be withholding an additional

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$215,000
for legal expenses. That number has

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since been decreased to 68,000.
However, this update was not received in

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time to update the budget before it was
distributed last week. In order to

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partially offset this decrease in
revenue, the budget reflects a reduction

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in service in which firefighter
vacancies would not be replaced or

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backfilled resulting in brownouts.
After reducing the FPD deduction for

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legal fees from 215,000 to 68,000,
the sum total of these budget changes

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would result in a deduction in fund
balance of $240,000

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if approved today. Also, as promised, a
list of dissolution items was noted with

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loans due as of June 30th, 2027 as
follows. [snorts] SB Sarah 740,62.

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Bank of America loan number two for
truck 281 and brush engine 281 for

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$843,518.

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Bank of America loan number two for
medic engine 282 medic ambulance 281

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and Italian chief vehicle 2806
or 647,184

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and an estimated PTO payout of 1.5
million for a total of 3.7 million.

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Any questions?

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Have all of those vehicles been
delivered?

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» Have some public comments.
>> Any other directors have any other

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questions?
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To be clear, this board is not
discussing the dissolution of our fire

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department. You are discussing the steps
necessary to transfer authority for the

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department in its entirety to another
governing agency. County Fire expects to

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assume responsibility for a fully
staffed, fully functioning fire

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department. It is not expecting the
board to cut corners, sell assets,

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reduce staffing so that both agencies
can minimize their cial obligations at

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the transfers. The task before you is
not to create a winded down budget. Your

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responsibility is to adopt an operating
budget for 2627 fiscal year that

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maintains the current level of service
the service our community receives.

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Separately, a financial statement should
be prepared with input from the CFOs of

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the three participating agencies to
identify the costs associated with the

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solving the GPA relationship. What I've
seen to date is not complete. You don't

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talk about any of the assets owned by
the fire authority. The entire community

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deserves and expects full fire
protection for our tax dollars that you

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collect and are intended to provide.
Residents of Big Bear Lake need to be

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reminded that the Big Bear Lake Fire
Protection District, which is made up of

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city council members, has already
withheld 1.6 million from the current

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budget and continues to vote for
reductions to the emergency service

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budget, limiting their access to proper
emergency response. While I agree that

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the authority should refrain from
purchasing additional capital equipment

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or other assets, eliminating eliminating
board member stipens or basic

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necessities such as protein bars and
bottled water for our firefighters is

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ludicrous. These proposals demonstrate a
fundamental misunderstanding of the

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operational needs by this board of your
modern fire department. If this board

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truly is interested in reducing costs,
why is it not seriously considered the

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recommendations of its own citygate
consultant? His primary recommendation

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for immediate savings was to allocate
the fire authorities administrative

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costs back to the partner agencies
equally. Both agencies already maintain

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comparable administrative positions and
could reasonably absorb these

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approximately 5.5 full-time equivalent
positions on a temporary basis. Finally,

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I will reiterate what I said before.
Your previous budget actions combined

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with the continued public rhetoric and
hostility displayed during these

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meetings have already created a public
safety concern for our community. They

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have exposed both partner agencies and
the fire authority and potentially

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individual board members to third party
civil litigation. The people in this

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community expect responsible governance,
transparent financial planning, and an

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uninterrupted emergency services. I urge
this board to focus on those

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responsibilities rather than
implementing cuts that jeopardize public

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safety and undermine its successful
transition to the new fire service

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provider.

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Oh, sorry.
>> Well, unfortunately, Patrice has stole a

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lot. I've looked through all the
documents for the authority budget, the

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current budget coming up, and obviously
the things that she stated in her first

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comment were actually on point. So, you
the reduction in revenue, obviously, the

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only outcome we have is to be able to
cut service. Cutting service in this

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town that you've already been told is
lean in regards to what we staff is not,

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in my opinion, going to be a good look
for any board member in this room. Um,

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as you know, we have about a 100,000
people that visit. Our current model

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requires us to expand and contract here
at Big Bear Fire to meet that because we

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don't know how many people will be here.
If you choose to vote to withhold money

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that changes the operation, it will be
on all 10 of your heads.

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happens, the babies we deliver, the
people that die, the houses that burn

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down, and we only have a squad that goes
there. You're going to own it. You're

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going to own it, and you're going to
have to deal with that when it comes.

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Obviously, you're making a financial
decision, and it's just convenient.

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There's about $3 million that's going to
be being put away at the city at

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overtime. That's kind of about the
dollar amount that you need to be able

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to pay for your your divorce. I don't
think you thought your divorce through.

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Your divorce was not well thought out. I
don't think you even knew exactly what

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you were going to have to pay for. So
instead, we're winding it down by

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putting it on the back of our public
safety. And I hope you sleep well at

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night. If something happens in this
community because you're putting it on

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the back of the department because of
not a wellthoughtout divorce, then

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again, you will see me and many other
people in this community. It won't be

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pitchforks, but it'll be your political
pitchforks.

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You're making a bad choice. you have a
bill due, you're going to have to figure

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it out when the bill's done. You can't
prepare for it by cutting fire services.

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So, I would recommend again, think of
what you do when you make this choice.

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Find a better way of cutting service or
forcing the chief to cut service by a

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credit that I will tell you when you
look at the authority 2012

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administrative costs 201 what 14 to 18
we absorbed employees. [clears throat]

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What I will tell you, and I'll put this
on three of you that are in here that

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are as part of this deal, you should
have asked why we didn't do a service

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level agreement between Big Bear City
and Big Bear Lake. If you're so worried

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about why we're not getting good service
in Big Bear Lake, ask for a service

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level agreement. You obviously want it
for County Fire, you want to staff state

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the Moonidge Station, you know, put out
more money. Why don't we do that now?

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Why are you waiting till 2027?
Is it okay in 2026 that we run short?

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I would say that you should ask those
questions. So, as we move forward, I

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would really again go back to highly
recommend that you change your course of

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action and you put this place back on
the right trajectory. Thank you.

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» We got some new folks. Anyone else?
>> I'll say something again.

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I still think this whole thing was
caused by Big Bear Lake. The unequity

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of the services that are needed here in
this town

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compared to what is needed on the east
side and what some of the future things

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are. I think there are some other hidden
plans made because all of a sudden we

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have these meetings that we're going to
do this and we're going to fix that

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building and we're going to do things on
our own.

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Why hasn't this building and what
they've had it on the east side worked

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for years?
I just think there's unequity

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in the services.
You know, it's great buying all brand

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new equipment, but then also, I'm sure
it must have put somebody in the spot

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when there's five, four or five million
dollars worth of equipment.

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You know, hopefully they're all diesel
and thank God they got them before uh

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some of this battery stuff until it's
finally

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figured out.
But Big Bear Lake, why why are you doing

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all this with the other buildings?
Taking out a trash site, spending the

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money there, a stupid 2050 plan tomorrow
that's almost $2 million. Already spent

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300,000.
They're spending like drunken sailors

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and it's all leftist propaganda, leftist
crap,

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millions of dollars. And then the visit
Big Bear getting millions of dollars in

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TV IDs. What a joke. There's plenty of
money.

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They barely could should have come to an
agreement to

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split the services 6040 or something
because they're planning, you know, the

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new motel that's coming up right here on
Moon Ridge, the one at Summit,

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the 19 acres down here. They're just
itching to get those people out of there

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and and give tax credit to them. And who
knows who's going to be making money off

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of that deal. There always is. Thank
you.

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» All right, we need a vote, please. What
are we voting?

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» There hasn't been any motions or
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

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» Sorry. Um, okay. Motion and a second,
please.

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» Can we have a discussion?
>> Well, I asked for discussion. Okay. Go

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ahead.
>> [snorts]

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» I did ask for that earlier,
>> but I was in the middle of asking

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questions and then you actually public
comment.

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» Um, have we looked at the cost of inter
facility transfers yet? I know that it's

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come up month after month and that we
lose money on inter facility transfers

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and I'm just wondering um there's money
on the table there that we're we're

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taking a loss for services that we're
providing that can help to bolster the

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budget.
And

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are we going to meet with the hospital
on what's going to happen there?

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» Yes, I reached out to the CEO the day
after our board meeting when he

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requested that and he just asked for
some time to do a little research

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together and have a meeting.
>> Um,

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[snorts] do we have the figures on how
much those cost us and how much we lose?

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I don't have I would have to get back to
you on the cost, but I know that we

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bring in approximately $450,000 in
revenue that I'll have to return on you.

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It would have to be determined whether
or not we would be able to drop an

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ambulance completely. Um, but I can
certainly get those.

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» Right. But I imagine with the overtime,
with meals, with having people not on

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the hill, I mean, I followed them down
the hill multiple times. And

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» I'll get that to you. Can we do that? I
would just ask if we could do that

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sooner rather than later because my
request would be in as we're doing a

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budget to meet with Evan because if it's
costing us $100,000 a year that the

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hospital should be paying then we can
request that money and do a contract

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with the hospital to make up that
difference so we're not in a deficit

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given that ambulances lose money.
>> Absolutely. And I'm happy to follow up

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with Ev.

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» No, I'm happy to follow up with him to
have him show a little bit more urgency

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because I can't imagine that he has
urgency to have that meeting.

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Yes, director.
>> Uh, Chief, I'm I don't intend to second

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guess it, but I would like to better
understand the decision uh to not fill

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the positions and um the implications of
what exactly does a brownout mean and

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what does that look like? How does that
impact us? rounds will include one

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position per day uh suppression position
and decision to do that was based on the

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fact that we don't have a budget. I
don't know where we're headed and again

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with the potential of a credit uh the
level of funding it is at a point where

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I mean I have to make cuts somewhere
with the loss now of HR um

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administrative staff is all doing at
least two jobs. The only place left that

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I can go to for enough money to make up
for that credit without completely

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tapping out um our fund balance is to
stop back filling the vacancies that

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exist currently. They are there. We're
paying them with overtime to fill in

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currently but again it's reactionary
based on you know what we think we're

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going to receive in terms of funding
this year.

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It's one position though what that will
be filled.

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So no matter what, there will be one
less firefighter position on duty at any

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given time.
>> Depend dependent upon funding. Yes. If

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if I have enough to fund that to where
we're not, you know, going too down into

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fund balance, then my intention. Yes.
>> Well,

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help me understand the variable of if
you can fund it or not based based on if

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we were to approve this budget.
How would that impact whether or not

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you're able to fund it?
>> Kristen, can you tell me?

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» If this budget is approved, then we
won't receive the funding we need and we

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will have to run out.

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» Any other directors?

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We talk about the reserves around here
and reserve fund balance I think is the

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words you always use.
How much actual cash do we have in

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reserves in a bank account in an
investment account for this authority?

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» At the current moment we have had to
borrow TR funds. That's typically where

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we're at this time of year. So there is
So, we have no cash reserves.

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» As of right now, that's correct. That
will change in a couple of weeks when I

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get the CSD.
>> Yeah. But but then that becomes a part

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of the operating funds. Correct.
>> Um the CST.

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» Yes.
It's not so much a reserve as much as it

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goes into the operating.
>> It's one and the same. It goes through

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Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask
you another way. When we ended the 2526

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fiscal year, how much money did we have
left over

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» in cash?
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» we had $72,000.

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So after 14 years of being or however
many years we've been in business here,

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we find ourselves only 72,000 extra and
that's all the money we have in the bank

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outside of our trans loan and spending
whatever dollars come in as far as

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passroughs from the two agencies.
>> Well, just a reminder that had as in

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years past all of the fire protection
property tax revenues come through that

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number would have been million dollar
>> but all except for maybe last year and

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maybe the year before that the pass
through from fire protection district

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has always been all of the dollars
coming in to the fire protection

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district. So I think we're only talking
the last couple years if I'm not

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mistaken where there's even a question
on us paying something in excess of 50%.

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But you've answered my question. My
question again was how much money do we

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have in reserve? And clearly
we have no money in reserve. We have

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nothing in an investment account
>> at the moment. That will change in a

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couple of weeks.
>> But that money that's coming in Kirsten

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in a couple of weeks is not going to an
investment account. That money is going

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straight into the operational funds and
it will be used to pay help pay our

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bills and pay back this trans loans. So
that is not a reserve. That's an actual

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operating fund that we're going to be
spending. So again, we don't have

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anything in investment and the only
reason I ask is because if we had

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something that would have less of an
impact on possible brown out that we

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could go to that reserve, but Clearly,
we don't have one. So, that answers that

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question. Thank you,
>> Kristen. So, I know CSD owes over $2

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million. Is that correct from their last
tax payment?

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» I'd have to double check on that number,
but that's

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» I think that's a number that that you
gave me a couple of weeks ago. Do you

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have any idea when they're going to pay
it?

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» They usually pay it towards the end of
July after the final property tax

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payments come in in July. So, I'm
expecting receive that shortly in which

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case at that time we'll pay back the
trend that we've had to borrow for a

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couple of weeks and then we will be um
sufficient for a few months.

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» Um doesn't Janette when she gets the
money then she gives it to you?

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» She absolutely does. She she writes the
check calls me and I come and pick it up

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and put it in the bank. She's very
cooperative with that and helpful.

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That one more question. That $2 million
approximate is that for 2526?

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» Yes.
>> Yes. They pay late every year.

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» Okay. So,
we're having to use money6

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to survive.
When do we anticipate getting money for

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2627
from CSD? And I know we quartly if I'm

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not mistaken based on the invoices. So
when do you expect that?

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» The CSD pays us quarterly and since
nothing comes in as far as property

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taxes in the first quarter of the fiscal
year, we anticipate the the first

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payment for 2627 to come in in January
from the CS.

428
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:48,720
» I had asked Kristen for some figures and
was just surprised to see that the first

429
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:55,760
that they made
was for24.25.

430
00:34:51,280 --> 00:35:00,720
So, you know, they're always behind.
>> They have to wait to receive the final

431
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,160
property tax payments in July for the
previous fiscal year. So, once they

432
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,640
receive those, then they pass those
along to us.

433
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,040
» So, it's not like we're holding money
back.

434
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:16,560
» No, you're you're waiting for it to
arrive and then as soon as they get the

435
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:24,240
final payment, they'll write us a check.
So, is this budget for 2627

436
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:27,880
based on receiving a check from CSD in
July of 27?

437
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,640
» Yes.

438
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:38,760
Kristen, if I could help me understand

439
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:48,880
both the fire protection district and
CSD

440
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:56,560
are basically collect property tax via
the assessor. Um,

441
00:35:52,960 --> 00:36:03,440
is there something different from how
the fire protection district collects

442
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:07,920
and receives money than CSD that causes
a delay.

443
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:13,440
» Historically, before this last fiscal
year, uh the fire protection district

444
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:18,079
and the fire authority had access to the
account in which those fire protection

445
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:22,960
district property taxes came in. So, we
we had immediate access to that. Um but

446
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:28,320
that was removed from us. So now so now
we have to wait to receive a check from

447
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:33,620
the fire protection district as well. Um
historically the CSD we never had a

448
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:37,200
shared bank account so they would
[cough] write us a check. So it was

449
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,800
always it was always done a little bit
differently but now it's done more

450
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,680
similarly where we have to wait for the
fire protection district to write a

451
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,480
check as well as the CSD.
>> So is the fire protection district

452
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:51,520
behind if you will like CSD is right
now.

453
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:56,000
» Uh they're not they're not behind per
se. Um they they just chose to pay us a

454
00:36:54,640 --> 00:37:01,119
certain amount so they knew what that
number was. So they they did pay us and

455
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:05,359
we have been paid for 2526
the CSD because they can only pay us

456
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,760
exactly what they receive from the
county. They don't know what that number

457
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:13,880
is until mid July and as soon as they
know that number then we get paid.

458
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:21,520
» I apologize. I'm still having a hard
time understanding why the two entities,

459
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:27,040
if they're very similar in the way that
they collect funds, and I would assume

460
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:31,200
they'd be treated the same by the
treasur, tax assessor, whoever at the

461
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:37,040
county. I'm having a hard time
understanding why fire protection

462
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:41,520
district finds itself in a position to
pay more timely than CS. So I think it's

463
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,920
because the fire protection district
isn't paying us the full amount and

464
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:51,599
they've decided how much to pay us. So
they can pay us when they're at the

465
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:57,200
quarterly increments, but the C they
have to wait until they receive the

466
00:37:53,680 --> 00:38:00,720
money from the taxing from Sanino County
to pay us the correct amount. So that's

467
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,560
that's the difference. We get the full
amount from the CSD that they that they

468
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:09,200
are allotted and they don't know what
that is until mid July. Then they write

469
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:12,560
us a checkum and
Um it was it was the same with the fire

470
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:17,680
protection district when all of the
funds passed through. We didn't receive

471
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:22,079
all of those funds until July as well
because that's when they come in. Uh but

472
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:27,520
now that the funding structure has
changed and we're receiving

473
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:32,240
a piece of it. You guys have been paying
us ahead of time for that. So that so

474
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:36,960
that is different just in this last
year.

475
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:41,040
» Okay. I apologize. I still don't
understand the difference.

476
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:45,800
» I'd be more than willing to to show you
>> afterwards. Anyone else?

477
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,280
» Need a motion in a second.

478
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,200
» I'll second.

479
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,320
I'm not in favor of approving a budget
that reduces

480
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:12,400
service level.
this last year.

481
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:16,079
I think we have to find a way to either
cut or I know we'd have to go back to

482
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:21,359
fire protection
about how we want to determine that for

483
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,920
me it's just not something that I'm
comfortable with an obligation to

484
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:31,839
provide services to the community and if
there is funding available for that um

485
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:37,359
for me we can figure out how we account
for it and how we do things after the

486
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:42,800
fact but I'm not comfortable with having
service levels

487
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:47,400
How much is that one position a day
costing for the year?

488
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,839
» She she'll give you fully burdened
versus the overtime pay because there's

489
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:58,000
a difference between the two.
>> The fully burden crosses approximately

490
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:04,079
15,000.
>> Then what's this 596?

491
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:09,599
It's for three people.
So that's the fully burdened three and

492
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:13,119
then the overtime would be what?
>> Um I'd have to get back to you on those

493
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:16,400
exact numbers but I'll get back to
>> it would vary as well depending upon

494
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:23,160
years of service for the person that's
working over time based on where they

495
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,160
are. So it's hard to exactly

496
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:34,160
» um have you started any browning out
activities yet?

497
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:37,880
» No, I have not. Okay. So up to this
point we're still

498
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,880
minus HR.

499
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:51,440
» Okay. And um Kristen, if we don't
approve a budget tonight, tell us the

500
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:57,599
ramifications of that, please.
>> The ramifications are we would still be

501
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:02,640
operating on last year's budget.
However, the difficulty would be that

502
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:08,560
it's our understanding that the revenue
is going to be decreased whether or not

503
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:12,160
this budget is approved. So, um I guess
at that point a decision would have to

504
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:17,040
be made how to move forward because we
wouldn't be able to operate at last

505
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:21,839
year's budget level with the
understanding that funding levels are

506
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:26,079
going to be reduced regardless of
whether this budget is passed. So,

507
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:31,520
that's something that will have to be
discussed.

508
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:35,280
So the effect of not passing a budget
would be to operate under last year's

509
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,400
budget.
>> Do you need any kind of resolution or

510
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,280
anything to be able to do that or is
that happen automatically?

511
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:48,160
» Automatically.
>> Okay. And the impact of that would be we

512
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:54,160
would be operating under previous year's
budget which would not include the uh

513
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:59,760
reduction of the three positions.
>> Correct. And then the issue beyond that

514
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:05,599
would be we wouldn't necessarily have
the income to cover that budget and or

515
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:11,480
we'd have to figure out how we reconcile
that correct going forward.

516
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,480
» Okay.

517
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:19,119
» There is a potential that the amount
that comes in from CSD at the end of

518
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:23,760
July this year will be more than we
budgeted for. If that's true, and I

519
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:28,000
don't know if that's true or a
possibility, but then that money would

520
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,800
roll over to this year's budget. Is that
right? Do we have a sense of where those

521
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,560
numbers are coming in? If they're going
to be at, below, or above what you've

522
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:38,720
been budgeted,
>> it won't roll into uh this fiscal year

523
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:43,040
per se. It would be counted as property
tax revenue for last fiscal year. But

524
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,839
again, we would have it to pay for
things. Correct. Right.

525
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:50,079
» Well, that's but that's what I mean.
If it's if the amount is more than what

526
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:55,040
you needed for last year's budget, then
you take that money and that's a pool of

527
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:58,319
money that's available to offset costs
this year's budget.

528
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:02,560
» Yes. And and then to answer your second
question, we are not projecting that it

529
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:06,720
will be higher. In fact, we are
projecting it might possibly be a little

530
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,319
bit lower than budgeted,
but we will definitely keep you posted

531
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,119
as soon as the final payment comes in.
We'll let you know how we performed

532
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:17,839
against budget.
>> No, that's okay.

533
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:23,359
I'm not a budget person and I don't
pretend to be one on television either.

534
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:29,760
So when I look at this the ambulance
revenues you have in the revenue column

535
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:37,359
you have bad debt.
Explain to me why bad debt is in the

536
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:41,920
revenue column. I mean if if
are we trying to figure out how to write

537
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:47,040
off that bad debt or what are we doing
because

538
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:51,839
It's an accounting function to
accurately reflect what we actually

539
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:56,319
expect revenues to be less what we don't
expect to collect. So, and that that's

540
00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:00,480
the correct accounting place for that
line item.

541
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,720
» So, you're expecting not to receive
$235,000

542
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,960
this year.
>> That's correct. So, that relates, if I

543
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:13,200
may, it relates to if you bill somebody
for an ambulance ride and they don't pay

544
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,720
it. So, they get build. Hospitals do the
same thing. Physicians offices do the

545
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:22,480
same thing. And it's a line item called
bad debt. It's uncollectible from bill

546
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:27,599
charges that go out.
>> Okay. What What are the contractual

547
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:34,079
allowances? What is that?
>> It's a similar item. It's basically when

548
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:39,359
we bill for services like Medicare,
Medicaid, we have we bill the full

549
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:44,640
amount, but we only receive a much
lesser amount. the difference between

550
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:48,720
that is is considered that contractual
allowance. So when you when you have

551
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:52,960
your charges, your revenue charges minus
your bad minus your allowances, that's

552
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:57,440
the actual revenue that you hope to
bring in. So it's it's a conservative

553
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:01,720
actual number that you're anticipating
bringing in for that revenue item.

554
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:11,599
» We still have motions on the table.
>> There's a motion and a second

555
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,599
to

556
00:45:12,386 --> 00:45:14,406
» [clears throat]

557
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:23,200
» Let's see how
>> Yes,

558
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:28,880
» special counsel.
>> Sorry.

559
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:34,480
» Special counsel.
>> Thank you. I just want to make a quick

560
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:40,000
clarification to Can you hear me?
>> Yes.

561
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:46,160
» To the um FPD's letter about proposed
credit. So, um,

562
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:51,599
the parties
approved the budget last year with the

563
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:56,000
5050 invoices and FPD paid their share.
And what they're actually saying in

564
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:02,640
their letter is that because they paid
their share and CSD did not pay their

565
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:09,040
share to the tune of this 889 number.
Um, they're proposing a credit offset

566
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:12,880
for next year's budget, but under the
joint cars agreement,

567
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:19,280
you know, unless there's a budget
amendment, that amount has already been

568
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:25,280
paid. And this year's budget, if
approved, if it reflects that credit,

569
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:30,720
then you're approving the credit. But if
you don't approve the credit, then

570
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:36,000
you're not allowing FPD to have that
credit. For what it's worth, it's not a

571
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:42,640
they're proposing the credit in order to
allow CSD to not arguably not be in

572
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:48,640
default and actually have a 5050 split.
But the credit,

573
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:54,240
you know,
it's not um applying the credit toward

574
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:58,440
this year's payment in my mind only
works if you approve that.

575
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,480
» So are you saying
>> if your budget reflects that, then

576
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:08,640
you're approving that?
>> I just heard you say default. Is CSD in

577
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:15,440
default?
something right now.

578
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:22,960
» Well, the board approved the budget and
they approved 5050 expenses and those

579
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:27,599
bills went out and CSD didn't pay well,
the last invoice. I'm not sure where

580
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:32,079
we're at with the timing, but CSD has 60
days under the JPA to pay that bill. And

581
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,040
I understand they won't be able to pay
that entire bill.

582
00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:44,319
And the letter the letter talks about
that. I mean the letter that's included

583
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:50,319
in the agenda packet talks about
that as a contractual issue for CSD. But

584
00:47:47,622 --> 00:47:58,720
[snorts] the proposed remedy is if we
take a credit then we're at 5050.

585
00:47:53,599 --> 00:48:04,000
So, I just wanted to but I my point is
FPD's proposed credit for this year's

586
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:09,839
budget
needs to be approved by this board

587
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:16,400
in order for them to apply the credit.
Like, they only get to apply a credit if

588
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:20,400
you if this board says they do.
It's not a surefire thing that they just

589
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:26,200
get to do that. The joint powers
agreement says that stuff like credits

590
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,200
has to be approved by the board.

591
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:33,839
» Anybody else?
>> Yes.

592
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:37,839
» Perhaps a question for council. I'm not
sure. Or

593
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:42,319
if [clears throat] the board approved
the budget

594
00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:49,839
with expenditures and income which were
not 5050 and now they want to change it,

595
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:53,800
doesn't that require an amendment to the
budget that was passed?

596
00:48:54,079 --> 00:49:05,599
» So the board approved the budget showing
revenues and expenses. The revenue side

597
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:13,119
did not did not 50/50.
Um, but FPP sent a reservation of rights

598
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:16,800
letter in October of last year that said
if we approve a budget, we just want to

599
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:23,119
be clear, we're approving it as to
expenses because that's what the JPA

600
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:26,960
says. The JPA says 5050
each party has to make the contribution

601
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:31,280
to pay that party's proportionate share
of expenses. It doesn't say anything

602
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:36,880
about revenues like contemplated
revenues. It just says the budget

603
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:42,400
expenses that you approve. Each party
pays 5050

604
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:48,240
and the board approved a budget that
reflected expenses to the tune of

605
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:54,559
you know that I want to say it's like a
14 million dollar number. I don't have

606
00:49:50,400 --> 00:50:00,480
it exactly in front of me. And the 5050
of that call it 14 million is 7 million7

607
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:04,319
million. And and CSD can't pay 7 million
right? they only have six or something

608
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:10,079
like that. So
that's the that's the issue with last

609
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:13,680
year's budget that has been and in order
to remedy that you have to amend the

610
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,119
budget last year's budget which I think
has been staff has presented a couple

611
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:23,400
times now
>> but it has not been approved

612
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,400
» correct it hasn't passed

613
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:35,599
in
the JPA

614
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:43,520
is section 11 about when there is a
dispute conflict resolution.

615
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:51,520
We have never sat down to work this out
even when Mr. specifically asked twice

616
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:57,440
stating, "We can expect six million, we
cannot expect 7 million. Therefore, we

617
00:50:53,680 --> 00:51:03,040
cannot agree to spend 7 million and we
have no way short of borrowing

618
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,319
against
assets of the district to come up with

619
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:13,359
an extra million dollars.
So, I would think this should have been

620
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:19,839
discussed and I would have to say we
have a method to do that. We have a way

621
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:28,400
to put it before an administrative judge
and yet it's never been done.

622
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:35,559
So, I can't see why we would agree
to pay 7 million when we simply don't

623
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,559
have it. And we've said that all along.

624
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,400
But didn't we all vote to pass the
budget, including CSD?

625
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:52,000
» Eight out of 10 voted for it
with the understanding that it would

626
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:57,440
then be adjusted. But the adjustment now
calls, sorry, the adjustment then is now

627
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:03,359
saying we need to come up with a million
dollars from somewhere.

628
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:08,880
And I'm saying
we did not agree to that. We agreed to 8

629
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:14,040
million and 6 million revenue. That was
supposed to be the 14. U

630
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:24,880
the legal interpretation now is that
under the 5050 aortionment

631
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:30,480
is how you got to 7 million. But I'd
have to take it back to the fact that

632
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:35,200
the 5050 was for year when the only
obligation was the shared asset of the

633
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:45,200
chief.
If it was always to be 5050 instead of

634
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:50,000
CSC, Big Bear Lake and county,
you wouldn't need to say an aortionment.

635
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:53,200
You would say equal, and that's not how
the wording goes.

636
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:57,160
» It says for subsequent years. So that
would be after the first year.

637
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,359
» Correct.
>> If you look at the language of JPA, it

638
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:10,800
doesn't say the first year. It says
subsequent years. It says 5050.

639
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:16,400
The numbers listed I believe was 187750
for the two different numbers for the

640
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:19,920
first year. After that, because we knew
that the two agencies didn't have the

641
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:24,800
same number of employees, the same
number of rolling stock, the same

642
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:31,359
assets,
it was supposed to be adjusted to cover

643
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:36,079
for services provided.
>> But it wasn't, Larry. It's still black

644
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:40,079
and white document that was not
adjusted.

645
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:45,359
» Which is why I'm saying it should be put
before an administrative judge to look

646
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:49,920
at the fact that the wording did not say
equal. It said

647
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:54,160
proportional.
>> Why would you say that if it was always

648
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:57,839
supposed to be 5050?
>> Okay, we're rehashing the same thing

649
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:02,480
that we have rehashed for the last year
and a half over who is supposed to do

650
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:08,640
what, when, where, and why. My question
to you is this. if we were to declare or

651
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:13,359
I don't know if it's a one-sided deal or
how it worked that CSV is in default

652
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:20,960
because they haven't met their
obligation for last year and Perry just

653
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:26,160
pointed out that if we uh if they are in
default according to the termination

654
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:33,200
agreement the way it terminates we would
then adjust how assets are distributed

655
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:37,839
based on that default figure is Is that
a correct statement?

656
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:42,400
» Section 10.3A of the
>> I'll have to defer to special counsel on

657
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:49,040
that as well as your own council's
>> your own agency. So under under section

658
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:55,440
7.7 of the JPA, any party which defaults
in its obligation to pay or

659
00:54:52,160 --> 00:55:00,800
advance any amounts due um are
delinquent um and are deemed to have

660
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,480
waved and relinquished rights and
benefits they have under the agreement.

661
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:12,400
And then there's interest that occurs on
the amounts of uh unpaid unpaid amounts.

662
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:19,680
So that's that provision is 7.7. Um and
this this um board um any declarations

663
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:24,079
or findings that this board makes are
irrelevant to the joint powers agreement

664
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:29,359
because this body is not a party to that
agreement. The agreement is between FPD

665
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:33,520
and CSD. Those are the only two parties.
BBFA is a product of the agreement.

666
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,920
Right? You were created by the
agreement. So the authority doesn't have

667
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:42,480
standing.
Well, yes, the authority doesn't have

668
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:48,000
standing to pursue anything. It has to
be FPD and CSD directly.

669
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:53,920
» Yeah. So if FPD then says that CSD is in
default at date of termination then

670
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:58,480
according to 10.3 then we would have to
look at an allocation of assets. There's

671
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:04,000
no arbitrator there's no other
discussions as such if if I'm reading

672
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:09,200
that correct
>> only there's a dispute and what I'm

673
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:13,119
thinking is that if that is in fact the
case then

674
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:22,000
I'm sure the FBD would have to talk
about it, but we we could see that as

675
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:30,000
our credit adjustment at that and take
that out of this this budget as such.

676
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:33,359
» So, discussions between FPD and CSD
about a potential credit adjustment

677
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,079
could happen in a number of ways and I
would defer to your respective legal

678
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,359
counsel, but yes, you could do it
through the dispute resolution or

679
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:45,119
conflict resolution paragraph paragraph
11. And you could also have that

680
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:49,760
conversation and paper that agreement
whatever it is that you come to in a

681
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:56,559
termination agreement you know because
the JPA contemplates that uh the parties

682
00:56:53,440 --> 00:57:00,839
can agree on how to wind up the affairs
of the authority and distribute assets.

683
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:11,200
So there's a couple different avenues.
Um, Chief, if we don't pass a budget

684
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:15,599
tonight in light of those
uh three positions that you are

685
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:21,680
suggesting under an approved budget
would be um eliminated,

686
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:27,839
what would be your approach
with a nonpass budget operating under

687
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:32,960
last year's budget towards brownouts and
those three positions? How how would you

688
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:37,200
approach that if we leave here tonight
without

689
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:42,000
the desire to be to work to fill that.
But again, you know,

690
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:45,280
the question that circles around in my
head is are we going to maintain that

691
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,839
level of funding throughout the year?
It' be really challenging to hire some

692
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:54,160
people only to say you may or may not
have a job in the next few months and to

693
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:58,480
go through the process of hiring and all
that's involved with that. Um to only

694
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:02,480
have somebody potentially a couple
months, you know, is is it worth the

695
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:06,480
time and effort to do that? My
intentions would be if we have the

696
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:11,040
funding for the positions is to fill
them because that's the service level

697
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:18,880
that the community expects and it sounds
like it is that what you hope to see

698
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:23,240
continue on for the 25 26 fiscal year.
>> Okay. and

699
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:40,319
» so I want to make sure I'm following.
Then if we don't pass a budget,

700
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:46,400
you would be reluctant to fill those
positions and then would you backfill

701
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:49,359
with overtime?
>> They'd be back filled with overtime.

702
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:55,359
Yes. while we're working through the
budget challenges. Correct.

703
00:58:51,440 --> 00:59:04,240
» Okay. But would you assure us that until
you are directed otherwise with a new or

704
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:08,880
passed budget that's supplants last
year's budget that we'd be operating

705
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:12,960
under if we didn't pass one today that
we would not brown out positions.

706
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,760
» That's correct. I'll continue to back
those positions as long as we're

707
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:18,711
operating under last year's budget where
they were. [snorts]

708
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:27,359
If I may, so I guess what it really
comes down to is if that credit is

709
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:32,319
applied and the FDA does deduct it from
funding, then we would need to round out

710
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:35,040
those positions
>> eventually.

711
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:41,119
» Okay.
>> But if we cut that credit

712
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:46,480
down by 512,000, that would cover your
cost. Correct.

713
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:52,640
» Correct. I mean, there's frankly
multiple ways we could arrive at getting

714
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:57,440
enough money to offset the impact of
those three positions.

715
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:01,200
Budget cuts in other places, right?
Barry pointed out

716
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:06,640
» for
>> right

717
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:10,960
one area um
uh I'm not suggesting this, but another

718
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:19,440
could be that the fire protection
district could continue to overpay.

719
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:24,240
um supplement that um and you know, who
knows what what other ways uh that that

720
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:28,160
could happen. But the reality is if we
don't pass a budget, we're still going

721
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:32,319
to have to grapple with that. I would
offer that there's a lot of things that

722
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:37,920
we have to grapple with financially,
credits here, credits there, who's

723
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:42,079
paying for what, where, right? To me, it
seems like the deeper we dig and the

724
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:49,200
more questions we ask, it's almost like
the murkier uh it gets. um with how

725
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:55,920
things have been handled financially. So
I I suspect it's going to take a while

726
01:00:51,520 --> 01:01:00,799
to um first of all understand it all and
then beyond that to get hopefully some

727
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:07,599
sort of agreement so that we don't have
to go to litigation. That's something

728
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:14,240
that um we can all collectively uh agree
on that is one consistent with what we

729
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:23,040
agreed on over time whether that be the
GPA agreement, whether that be when we

730
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:29,599
voted to um support the 5050. Um we had
that motion uh and supporting funding

731
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:35,119
that way. Um but there there still will
remain lots of issues uh to figure out.

732
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:44,319
I'm inclined to agree uh with director
Melnik about I'm I'm not eager to reduce

733
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:51,280
um the service level um collectively in
in the valley um and I I would like to

734
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:57,040
figure out a way if possible to
accomplish that and hopefully that I

735
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:02,240
might be naive in a way that's fair to
everyone.

736
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:05,839
» Please stop at the side.
I'm sorry teacher.

737
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,599
» We will have whatever conversations we
need on the side. We will make sure our

738
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:13,040
mics are turned off. You don't run our
meeting. We run our meeting. Okay.

739
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:15,359
» There should be one director speaking at
a time.

740
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:18,799
» You don't run our meeting. We run our
meeting. Okay.

741
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:22,119
» There should be no side conversation.
>> There will be

742
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:28,559
» you have something to say. You can say
it.

743
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:35,440
» I'm sorry. You communicate to Al. No,
I'm She [snorts] needs to finish. But

744
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:39,760
you guys were talking as he's speaking.
>> Okay, go ahead.

745
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:44,559
» I'm going to take a deep breath and I'm
going to encourage everyone else to take

746
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:50,400
a deep breath with me um as we move
forward. Um we clearly still have to

747
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:57,920
summarize um I'm inclined to agree with
Director Melnik um that I'm not eager to

748
01:02:54,079 --> 01:03:02,880
um impact the level of service in our
valley. Uh recognizing that it will be a

749
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:07,520
heavy lift for us collectively to figure
out how we reconcile uh everything. But

750
01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:12,880
we have that ahead of us no matter what.
So there's no waiting. Um we're going to

751
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:17,760
have to slog through all this uh
hopefully to get in a place with a

752
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:27,240
minimum amount of uh disagreement with a
minimum amount of legal expenditure uh

753
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:27,240
to get this all wrapped up. So um

754
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:37,440
What if we were to and somehow put it on
paper so it's memorialized so folks

755
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:44,160
can't come back a year later and say we
didn't agree to this that um

756
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:49,839
we
assuming the fire protection will go

757
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:58,000
along with we would adjust or change our
property tax credit down by 512,000

758
01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:02,720
on for this purpes of this budget and
have as a part of this budget an

759
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:10,000
understanding that the fire protection
district is paying that 512,000

760
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:16,160
and that it is in the purpose of this
budget that on termination of this

761
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:19,319
authority that 512,000 be reimbured to
the district.

762
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,480
» Does that make sense?

763
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:31,440
I was just going to say procedurally I
think that is an agreement that you

764
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:36,079
would need to work out through this the
two separate agencies through your

765
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:41,440
councils and then bring back something
like that is worked out and I'll defer

766
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:45,440
to Adriana for their thoughts but this
board can't do that itself.

767
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:49,599
» Yeah, I agree with Nick. I think there
would you could make that

768
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:53,039
you [snorts] could say that this board
could say that when it when it approves

769
01:04:51,440 --> 01:05:01,520
the budget, but it wouldn't be
enforcable unless the respective

770
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:05,440
um councils or boards make the same
determination in in their meetings

771
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:11,559
» or at least the the fire protection
district if we're the ones that take

772
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:11,559
take the hit on it.

773
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:20,960
We need to vote on this budget.
>> We have a motion and a second.

774
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:25,280
» So this is motion by director seconded
by director

775
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:32,160
um to approve item number five. The big
bear fire authority board recommended

776
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:35,559
fiscal year 2627 proposed budget. Um
Director Siggoia.

777
01:05:35,940 --> 01:05:43,240
[snorts]
>> Director Hicks. Hi.

778
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:43,240
» Director Ziggler.

779
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:54,400
Director Walsh
>> abstain.

780
01:05:52,720 --> 01:06:00,559
» Director Rouso
>> abstain. I seems obvious that the full

781
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:06,079
board will not come to a consensus on
certain issues. So I'm abstaining from

782
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:11,200
voting on this uh issue and request that
we follow section 11.1 of the JPA and

783
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,640
bring in a mediator.
>> We just

784
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:20,680
You know what? I said what I wanted to
say.

785
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:20,680
» Director Jroin.

786
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:28,079
» Director Bro
>> abstain.

787
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:31,920
» Director Puts.
>> I'll mix it up with a no.

788
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:37,720
» Director Melik.
>> No.

789
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,720
» Motion fails.

790
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,799
Item six.
>> Show

791
01:06:50,160 --> 01:07:00,240
you any information from Kristen.
>> If we don't have a budget, does that

792
01:06:55,839 --> 01:07:03,480
automatically collapse your trans?
>> It doesn't.

793
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:20,960
Moving on to item six, introduction to
ordinance eliminating compensation for

794
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:23,960
members of the board of directors.
Um,

795
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:32,559
» good evening board members. At the last
board meeting as part of a budget

796
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:36,960
discussion, the board voted to provide
direction to eliminate the board

797
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:42,799
compensation or board site for attending
meetings. Uh, And in order to actually

798
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:46,880
accomplish that it would require both a
change to the ordinance and the violent

799
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:52,240
policies of the authority. Ordinance is
required two readings. So this would be

800
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:56,720
the uh introduction and first reading of
uh the ordinance which is titled an

801
01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:01,359
ordinance that they verify the board of
directors they verify authority from

802
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:05,440
powers authority citing the compensation
be reissued by the board of directors.

803
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:11,359
and specifically this would remove the
language from the existing ordinance uh

804
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:15,680
that provides board compensation um for
attending meetings. Uh the other board

805
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:21,759
compensation and benefits would remain
in place. Um so if this ordinance is

806
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:25,359
approved for introduction and first
reading this evening, then at the next

807
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:29,839
board meeting, there would be a second
reading and final approval as long as

808
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:33,920
well as an update to the bylaws,
including the compensation provisions.

809
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:37,520
So, um, this is being brought this
evening because it does weigh on the

810
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:41,040
budget discussion. If it's approved,
it'll be worked into the budgets that

811
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:47,480
are presented. If it is not approved,
um, that will also impact the the budget

812
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,480
that's presented in future.

813
01:08:55,679 --> 01:09:03,040
» Hi, um, I'm Theodore Trentman. Back
around 1980, a group of people made a

814
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:07,679
decision to divide this valley. Whether
that was a good idea or a bad one, we

815
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:12,080
have lived with the consequences ever
since. Today, the people making

816
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:16,400
decisions about fire protections are
entrusted with one of the most important

817
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:21,679
responsibilities there is, keeping us
all safe. You should be paid for the

818
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:25,759
work that you do to protect the valley.
But nobody should be paid to make

819
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:29,440
decisions that leave any portion of this
valley unsafe.

820
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:34,319
I want the city of Big Bear Lake to
remember something. Had this valley

821
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:39,679
never been divided, the tax base of Big
Bear City wouldn't look any wouldn't

822
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:45,600
look very different than it is today.
Those u are quality of life decisions,

823
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:50,719
but together we still form one valley
and one community. The children on my

824
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:55,520
street in Big Bear City play kickball,
ride motorcycles, and grow up looking

825
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:59,520
forward to a future here in the valley.
They are every bit as much a part of the

826
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:04,640
future of this valley as the children
who are playing in Big Bear Lake.

827
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:07,760
Whatever your disagreements are with the
CSV,

828
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:12,880
uh
maybe understand that the leaders are

829
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:18,960
working with the system created nearly
50 years ago. The tension did not begin

830
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:23,440
with today's board members or today's
elected officials. In many ways, the

831
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:28,080
bickering began the moment the valley
was divided, and it will continue unless

832
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:33,280
we finally learn how to live and work
together as a reality. Let's pay our

833
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:38,159
firefighters and pay our public
officials to keep us safe. Let's stop

834
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:42,960
using public safety as a leverage in an
old political disagreement. And perhaps

835
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:48,320
we should place a little faith in the
very divide that has com that ha that we

836
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:54,239
have complained about for decades
because it's in that very strange divide

837
01:10:52,159 --> 01:11:01,120
that has helped protect our communities,
our identities, and the way of life that

838
01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:04,280
makes this valley what it is. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

839
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:16,239
I'm Miguel Gonzalez
and I'm just going to comment on what

840
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:21,520
I'm hearing right now.
First of all, I'm appalled by some

841
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:26,239
members of this board's disrespect
to the community,

842
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:31,440
to staff,
to fellow members.

843
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:37,520
Is this how you all operate? I've known
strangers confrontation in my past, I'll

844
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:43,760
tell you now. But people deserve respect
and to disregard others just so

845
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:49,760
blatantly is really sad.
What happened to that? Nothing was going

846
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:54,320
to affect no staff members would lose
jobs. We'd have the same fire protection

847
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:59,040
people. Not to worry, it's all going to
be just fine. Now I'm hearing about

848
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:02,640
brownouts.
As Brian said,

849
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:07,440
I'm gonna get together. If people get
hurt, if people die because of this

850
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:11,679
going on, I will do my best to get
whoever we can to figure out what our

851
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:15,199
resource is because this is ridiculous.
You should be fighting to figure out how

852
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:18,480
to cut this budget. I see blame trying
to be placed everywhere, smoking

853
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:23,280
mirrors, like saying, "Well, we don't
have an investment uh account, and

854
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:25,840
forgive me, uh, Kristen, you know, and
Kristen saying, we do have a reserve.

855
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:29,360
It's an operating reserve." Well, if
it's both one and the same, then it's

856
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:33,280
one and the same. Let's not do the smok
and mirrors about well no we don't have

857
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:36,480
a reserve but we're in two in a few
weeks we're going to have $2 million

858
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:40,719
that we're going to be working on. So to
say we have no money and try to say that

859
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:45,120
there's zero money in the budget when we
know it's going to happen and that's how

860
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:49,840
it always operates just a bunch of smoke
and mirrors trying to confuse the

861
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:52,960
people. Bottom line, you all promised
that nothing was going to be affected

862
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:57,600
here and I'm hearing there's going to be
some serious changes.

863
01:12:55,280 --> 01:13:01,040
So, I hope the people who listen to this
video and when I go out and put my next

864
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,239
video compilation may not be as
professional as others, but when I go

865
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:08,880
put it out there, I'm going to let them
know to remember some of these meetings

866
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:12,880
like in May when forgive me chief, but
when the chief said that yes, the

867
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:17,440
inspection the the inspector's job can
be done not as well, but it can be done.

868
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:22,719
And then in the next meeting, oh yeah,
we can do it. So, what changes from one

869
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:25,840
month to the next? I just don't get it.
It just seems that people are relying as

870
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:28,880
in all politics that people have short
memories

871
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:35,320
and I'm going to do my best to make sure
that nobody forgets everything that's

872
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:35,320
going on. Thank you.

873
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:45,640
» Are we are we not voting on this
tonight?

874
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,640
» That's

875
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:56,719
the seconds. Excuse me.
>> Are you looking for a motion?

876
01:13:54,719 --> 01:14:00,400
» No, I'm asking, are we going to vote on
it? Yes.

877
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:04,239
» Then I'm looking for a motion.
>> Okay.

878
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:11,080
» Trying to follow
I'll move uh I'll move for approval.

879
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,080
» Second.

880
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:22,880
» All right. Uh this is a motion by
Director Put and seconded by Director

881
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:25,920
Hicks uh to approve the the reading
introduction to the ordinance

882
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:29,600
eliminating compensation for members of
the board of directors.

883
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:33,840
» Before we move on, I think I think you
and I may have skipped a step. We didn't

884
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:39,960
have a discussion of the board.
>> We could still have a discussion after

885
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:39,960
the motion if we like.

886
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:49,000
» As I said last time when this came up,
um

887
01:14:49,440 --> 01:15:00,320
the job that we do is challenging and
um certainly many of us lose money doing

888
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:06,080
it. But the idea that there should be no
compensation for it even a nominal

889
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:11,760
amount I think uh devalues the
importance of the role of boards and

890
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:19,360
electeds. Um people can agree or
disagree with the job that we do. It is

891
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:26,080
still um serious and time consuming and
um I think we all try to do our best in

892
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:31,040
what we do to serve our community. Uh to
devalue it not only for us who are

893
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:35,600
serving now, but for those who choose to
run and serve in these roles in the

894
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:40,239
future after November or December after
the election. Um I think is really

895
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:44,159
devaluing
our responsibilities and our

896
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:48,800
obligations. I understand that the fire
authority is in a challenging place

897
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:56,960
financially. There are a myriad of
reasons uh for that. I'm not convinced

898
01:15:53,360 --> 01:16:04,159
that a $5,000 stipen is the make or
break for our budget that would have set

899
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:09,600
us on a trajectory of success um
financially. Um

900
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:17,120
I said at the last meeting I'm I'm a no
on this. I would have no problem

901
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:21,440
reducing it uh to a smaller amount. um
$50, whatever it is, but the idea of

902
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:26,400
eliminating it, that would require
another vote. We all know that we can't

903
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:33,120
get to a lotment on anything as a
governing body at this point. And um so

904
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:36,719
for me, uh it will go to a vote. I think
the people who voted on it last time

905
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,880
didn't necessarily understand what they
were voting on, and that was clear when

906
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:45,360
it was brought up again after the fact,
after the vote was taken. Um so I'll

907
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:48,360
make a substitute motion depending on
Anybody

908
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:55,520
else?
>> I'm going to say the same thing that I

909
01:16:52,080 --> 01:17:02,640
said last month, which is I have devoted
a lot of time to this. And when I see

910
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:06,960
that there are still cuts that can be
made to this fire department that

911
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:11,920
haven't been made that I've been talking
about

912
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:16,640
for more than a year now,
I don't see why we should be the one

913
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:20,040
taking the when there's still cuts that
can be made.

914
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:34,880
» From my perspective is uh we're asking
folks to take a hit. We're asking

915
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:40,000
um we're seeing a possible
HR position not being filled. And I

916
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:46,000
think it's only if we're expecting
others to take a hit, we can take a hit.

917
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:52,520
That's why I motion put this on the
floor at the last meeting and I will

918
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,520
continue for it.

919
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,520
» Yes.
>> Um

920
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:07,360
I actually agree with everything that's
been said. Um and where I land on this

921
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:11,600
is is that um
clearly anybody that served in any of

922
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:17,600
these types of positions knows and
understands that

923
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:25,280
costs you money, you know, [snorts]
off of it um for a variety of reasons.

924
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:32,480
And um
I think though that under the

925
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:39,920
circumstances uh that we are in um that
it is an appropriate gesture even though

926
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:45,520
I agree that it diminishes value, you
know, all of that. I I agree with that.

927
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:51,040
I do that
it is

928
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:57,800
just that a gesture agree it's not going
to make a huge material difference um to

929
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,800
the budget

930
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:09,520
and I agree that it under
under values or minimizes the value of

931
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:14,719
the service that people give but under
the circumstances that we're in I do

932
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,719
think

933
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:24,600
Yes,
>> I'm voting no on that subject.

934
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:33,600
» I've been on this mountain for a long
time. I'm a businessman

935
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:38,080
and just what the lady said, I really
agree with the lady there right there.

936
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:42,800
What she said was a beautiful speech and
I right now I go along with her 100%. I

937
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:47,120
can make more money in my damn business.
Even though I'm all crippled up, let

938
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:53,040
alone this. And all of our other
agencies get more money than we do. It

939
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:58,159
costs money to go to these meetings. And
I think it's really wrong when you take

940
01:19:55,199 --> 01:20:03,360
my damn water away when the doctor wants
me to drink more water and take our

941
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:08,400
sandwiches away. It's insane. I mean,
are we that damn cheap? I mean, if you

942
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:14,159
people can't afford what we've been
getting on the sideline here, then maybe

943
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:20,000
I ought to go buy a whole damn truckload
of water. I'll back it up. The door will

944
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:26,239
unload it. It's ridiculous.
It's not right. It's wrong.

945
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:30,880
We uh I think we're at a turning point
here where we're just can't be getting

946
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:35,199
too damn cheap. I understand being
conservative, but this is ridiculous.

947
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:40,159
when you don't have water and when you
don't have the sandwiches after a long

948
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:44,320
day and then you got the open session
ahead of the close session and then

949
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:49,360
they've been nice enough to bring little
sandwiches and they've got us through

950
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:54,719
the night cuz I can't leave home and get
over here and and make a stop along the

951
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:58,480
way to buy dinner. It's ridiculous. And
what it cost you for water and what you

952
01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:04,480
call for sandwich, how can you be so
damn cheap? We're here to serve and

953
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:12,000
we're been here for a long time speaking
of myself and my family and so I vote no

954
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:15,120
on that subject. Thank you, master.
>> Anybody else?

955
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:20,000
» Yeah. So, what what's the actual thing?
I keep hearing back and forth. What is

956
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:25,679
Yes, we want to keep it. What is No, we
we you can take it away. Which is what?

957
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:27,920
» Nickels and dimes. Well, we do have
water.

958
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:31,040
» There's a motion and a second pending
that would eliminate compensation. The

959
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:37,800
board hasn't taken a vote yet.
>> Now, look, would that eliminate

960
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:37,800
compensation for the attorneys, too?

961
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:44,000
» You bet.
Actually, would

962
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:47,880
» Yeah, that's
>> because the money

963
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:58,000
is
>> I'd like to make a substitute motion

964
01:21:52,320 --> 01:22:08,639
that um We receive no compensation for
the fiscal year 2627 budget period only

965
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:11,639
and they are after this would return to
13.

966
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:17,501
» I'm sorry but you're taking food off of
my table. [clears throat]

967
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,080
» Call for the question.

968
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:32,719
No, no, no, no.
>> Could you please repeat what you just

969
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:38,639
said?
>> Yes. I would like to make a substitute

970
01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:47,040
motion, which is that
we agree to receive no compensation for

971
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:53,920
meetings for the period of the 2026
2027 budget period only. Given the

972
01:22:51,679 --> 01:23:01,920
challenges that the authority is facing
right now and to show our commitment to

973
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:09,280
um to taking a cut uh and thereafter it
would return to its normal level.

974
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:14,600
I'm going to go ahead and second that
discussion.

975
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:14,600
Anybody here?

976
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:18,719
» Will I still vote no on the subject?
It's wrong.

977
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,159
» I have a
>> Which question comes?

978
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:28,800
» You are leaving.
You two that are going to no st for the

979
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:34,880
rest of the year.
Three months, four months.

980
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:37,679
I thought you were suspending all
meetings for the rest of the year. So

981
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:41,000
there's no suspension anyway.
>> There's no s.

982
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:49,040
» How much are we saving?
>> Are we suspending?

983
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:53,400
I think we have a lot to do.
>> Yeah, I wouldn't recommend that either.

984
01:23:54,000 --> 01:24:02,560
» So I actually have a question for you
considering

985
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:08,159
what you're suggesting is starting now.
for the next year that we would not have

986
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:13,040
stipens
and then they would return but there may

987
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:18,880
be nothing for them to return to.
>> There may not be but I'm saying that

988
01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:23,920
while we are figuring things out in this
period of time I'm not comfortable

989
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:28,239
saying in perpetuity and I understand
that it would come back to the board if

990
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:31,920
the board wanted to have a sip again.
I'm not comfortable saying that for

991
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:36,560
people who are going to serve after me
in perpetuity that they would not be

992
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:42,159
entitled to a second. I'm willing to say
I understand for the period of time that

993
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:48,159
I am committed in continuing to serve my
community. I'm the fire authority. I'm

994
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:51,199
willing to take to lose more money. Um
and I'm willing to do that because I

995
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:54,960
understand the challenges that we are
in. And if there's any little bit of

996
01:24:53,280 --> 01:25:00,560
money, I'll bring you a sandwich next
time. Now, um you know, there's any

997
01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:03,600
little bit of money then fine I'm
willing to do that but I don't want to

998
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:08,239
make that decision for people who are
going to be serving

999
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,840
» uh in the future so I'm saying while we
are figuring out a budget and while it's

1000
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:16,639
our budget that we are responsible for
passing I'm willing to say nothing but I

1001
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:20,080
think there's a value in what we do that
all stands and I'm just willing to say

1002
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:25,840
for this year where we're figuring out a
challenging budget that we will agree to

1003
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:28,880
take nothing and there in the future
whatever happens

1004
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:34,320
that it's still on the books that there
is a that's

1005
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:39,600
» but the three new CSD people that come
in potentially new and the three new

1006
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:44,480
city council members
would be coming in to nothing

1007
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:48,560
» they will be running knowing that. So if
they ever watch one of these meetings or

1008
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:52,639
come and and see one of these meetings
or watch a city council meet, then they

1009
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,480
will know that if you're going to serve
on fire authority for the next period of

1010
01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:00,719
time during this budget, you're not
going to get if if you're running for

1011
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:04,800
the $130,
>> maybe you're not the right person to be

1012
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:07,920
running to serve the community
>> or just not show up.

1013
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:12,000
» Well, then maybe you shouldn't be
running to serve your community because

1014
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:17,120
part of it is showing up.
But I would add that if to the degree

1015
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:21,040
new people were seated and they wanted
uh something different, they could pass

1016
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:24,480
a whole new ordinance and change it
meeting if they wanted to. So they

1017
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:29,440
» see their priorities.
>> They could fix it if that was important

1018
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:35,679
to
that option as well.

1019
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:41,679
» Well, [clears throat]
I still vote no. And at the same time,

1020
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:46,480
what the lady spoke in the past here, I
agree with her. I still have a business.

1021
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:50,560
Unfortunately, I have a body that don't
want to be a roofer anymore. He don't

1022
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:55,360
want to go up the ladder. And so, if you
ever get into the position that I'm in,

1023
01:26:52,400 --> 01:27:00,080
and I'm not crying about it, but boy, it
makes a big difference. believe me

1024
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:04,719
because when you add up everything we
have in retirement when it comes to my

1025
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:08,480
beautiful wife and myself
and then we serve these meetings, well,

1026
01:27:06,719 --> 01:27:14,320
unfortunately, I can't work anymore
either. I'm done. You can see that. And

1027
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:19,199
I don't like rocks thrown at me. I've
served this community in good faith

1028
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:23,840
through the many, many years at the cost
of my family not going on vacations and

1029
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:28,639
all kinds of inconvenience.
And I'm proud of what I've done. And I'm

1030
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:33,360
proud of the way I voted. And I'm really
proud of the people that I served both

1031
01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:38,000
on CSD and here, the finest people in
the world, all qualified. What we have

1032
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:43,040
here is a damn group of people that
knows what the hell are doing. We don't

1033
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:49,679
need no fruit cakes coming on board if
we can prevent it. That's why I reran

1034
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:54,000
today because at the end of the game,
you know, some of those fruit cakes

1035
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:58,560
don't have no fruit in them. And boy
would be it's going to make could make a

1036
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:02,800
make a big change when we start thinking
about both ends of this valley and

1037
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,679
changing out some of our people. It's
going to be a hello earthquake. Thank

1038
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:11,199
you.
>> I'd like to call the question. [snorts]

1039
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,679
» Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I did not see
I did not see you over there. I would

1040
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,960
not have called the question. My
apologies.

1041
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:20,320
» So quiet.
>> Okay.

1042
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:24,080
» Does the substitute have to be voted on
before the first one? Therefore, we are

1043
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:28,320
voting on something you did not write an
ordinance for. Thank you.

1044
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:32,560
» So, I did want to clarify that. So,
>> uh

1045
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:36,480
my right now there's an ordinance in
place that says you're paid $130. An

1046
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:40,480
ordinance does need to be passed to
contravene that. So, the likely outcome

1047
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:44,960
of the approved substitute motion will
be at the next meeting. It would be an

1048
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:49,920
ordinance suspending the payments for 26
23 26

1049
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:55,199
voting on
>> correct. So that's my assumption from a

1050
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:58,480
legal perspective is that just taking an
action to suspend it is not going to

1051
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:02,000
overcome the ordinance that currently
exists. So you do need an ordinance in

1052
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:04,800
place to overcome it. So I would take it
as direction that something would come

1053
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,679
back at the next meeting to do that.
>> So

1054
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:10,719
» because right now the ordinance that is
in the agenda packet would completely

1055
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:14,239
eliminate it.
>> So if this if this substitute motion

1056
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:18,239
fails then we go
>> you go back to the main motion of the

1057
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:23,280
original of the ordinance that's in the
packet.

1058
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:29,440
Thank you.
>> If my substitute motion passes,

1059
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:33,920
but we're not having any meetings or
nobody calls a meeting, how does that

1060
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:39,760
work? Since there's been a motion to
pass an ordinance, but nobody's doing a

1061
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:44,080
meeting to make sure that we actually do
the fire's business.

1062
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:50,639
» My recollection from the prior meeting
is that um the the calendar has not

1063
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:56,320
changed, but direction to the chief was
not to schedule a meeting if there was

1064
01:29:53,520 --> 01:30:00,880
not business the chief believe needed to
be done at the time. So essentially it

1065
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:04,480
was the board is moving to quarterly
meetings after this July meeting.

1066
01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:08,880
» I mean I guess regardless of whether we
pass mine or the first if there's no

1067
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,800
next meeting it doesn't become anything
>> there are more rare meetings than they

1068
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:13,679
typically
>> and when do the payments start being

1069
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:16,960
suspended
>> upon

1070
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:20,880
» when the ordinance is finally passed. So
the second the second reading

1071
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:26,560
» so the next meeting
>> so it would and functionally if you only

1072
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:30,560
have essentially quarterly meetings and
that gets passed it would essentially

1073
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:36,080
only suspend them for the second half of
the fiscal year

1074
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:40,960
and you can't make it
>> only if you wanted staff to

1075
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:46,159
» demand that board members pay back the
assignments they receive.

1076
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:52,080
» And then there's the added wrinkle that
Depending on when the meetings are and

1077
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:55,800
how delayed that gets, it could be a
significantly different

1078
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:07,280
year.
>> There'll still be a lot of people here,

1079
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:10,280
but two or three or whatever are gone.
So,

1080
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:15,280
» well, for sure three are going to be
gone.

1081
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:20,400
» Yeah.
>> So, They don't care.

1082
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:24,239
» Yeah, I promise.
>> Well, I'm not leaving. I'll tell you

1083
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:27,679
that right now.
>> Can we call for the question?

1084
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,920
» Yeah. And Nick,
>> we have a

1085
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:37,920
» So, the board is currently considering
the substitute motion which would

1086
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:43,520
provide direction to bring back an
ordinance that would suspend board

1087
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:49,600
stipens only for the 26 27 year
>> fiscal year.

1088
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:55,120
So we're just voting on we're just
voting on to bring back another proposal

1089
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:57,840
for the ordinance. Correct.
>> That was suspended.

1090
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:02,320
Correct.
>> For this fiscal year.

1091
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:07,280
» Okay.
>> I still vote no. And if it works, don't

1092
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:12,239
fix it. We got the finest people in the
world right here. They do a good job.

1093
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:15,840
» God only knows what we're going to get
receded with.

1094
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:19,920
If we do.
>> All right. Here's roll call for this.

1095
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:24,880
» Larry, I have a question.
>> Sorry.

1096
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:28,800
» If you have to do a reading and then an
ordinance follows, it would have to take

1097
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:32,560
at least two more meetings to
>> That's correct. That's why I made the

1098
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:36,560
point that it is likely that they'll be
through half of this fiscal year by the

1099
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:45,120
time this goes into it.
>> You can all agree to to wave your siphon

1100
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:45,120
in the intro, too. Chuck did that last

1101
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:51,880
Larry did that. Larry, I'm sorry. Twice
now.

1102
01:32:56,079 --> 01:32:58,099
[clears throat]

1103
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:05,480
» All right. This is roll call for the
substitute

1104
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,480
motion.

1105
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:11,440
All right. Um, director Siggoia,
>> no.

1106
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:17,520
» Director Ziggler,
>> no. Director Walsh.

1107
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:20,960
» Hi.
>> Director Russo.

1108
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:25,120
» No.
>> Director J. Ro.

1109
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:28,120
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1110
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:34,719
» Director Bro.
>> Hi.

1111
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:37,600
» Director PZ.
>> Hi.

1112
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:40,639
» Director Melik.
>> Hi.

1113
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,520
» Director Hicks.
>> Hi.

1114
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:48,920
Motion passes.

1115
01:33:50,239 --> 01:34:02,800
Okay. On to director's closing comments.
Any directors have closing comments?

1116
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:08,320
I have something. Um,
it was news to me that we're maybe not

1117
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:15,840
having meetings. Um, I spoke with Nick
today. I would like an agenda item

1118
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:21,280
brought forth for a potential ad hoc or
meeting whatever to

1119
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:29,400
list the two parcels of property that
EBFA owns for sale.

1120
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,400
» Which one are those?

1121
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:36,960
» Right.
>> And Nick, what is what does Ky need to

1122
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:41,360
get that on the agenda?
>> Uh that's it. Any director can place an

1123
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:44,560
item on the agenda by requesting that
the chief at least one week before

1124
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:48,199
regular meeting or three or more days
before special meeting.

1125
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:54,400
» I'll concur with that.
>> Can we clarify what the two parcels are

1126
01:34:53,440 --> 01:35:02,080
though?
>> There are two parcels that were

1127
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:07,520
purchased by BBFA for a potential
>> back in what 2015?

1128
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:11,920
» I'd have to check the 2018 kind of
sticks in my head, but it was 25 acre

1129
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:20,400
partial parcels that are in between the
cemetery and the sugar park station 283

1130
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:26,880
that just sitting.
>> It was supposed to be for potential

1131
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:32,520
training center and new fire station.
>> Makes sense to get them on.

1132
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:32,520
» Yep, does

1133
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:49,760
I'm sorry, but I think it's a damn good
idea to sell it. We're never going to

1134
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:54,639
build a fire station on that damn
property. I know I won't with my

1135
01:35:51,360 --> 01:36:00,600
lifetime. It's ridiculous.
And at one time, our CSD organization

1136
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:09,520
» the uh
>> the president organization.

1137
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,760
» We can't talk about it's not on the
agenda yet.

1138
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:16,120
» It's it's going to be on
>> the next agenda.

1139
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:16,120
» Fine. Do it.

1140
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:20,800
» Take the damn money and put into working
capital. Then you don't have to borrow

1141
01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:28,719
money.
>> Uh if I can maybe uh I understand chief

1142
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:32,880
that administrative staff is starting to
double up on the different activities

1143
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:36,560
that they're performing.
>> I might offer

1144
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:43,920
you know concurren
from the city manager that the authority

1145
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:51,040
looks to take or take advantage of the
resources that we have in the city. U if

1146
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:56,639
there's a need for HR work, I think we
have sufficient staff to handle it. If

1147
01:36:53,360 --> 01:37:02,159
there's need for payroll support to take
some of the work off of Pearston, I

1148
01:36:58,639 --> 01:37:07,600
think we have the resources to do it.
And um because there's going to be a lot

1149
01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:12,000
of things to to do just to wind down
this

1150
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:19,360
administrative staff having multiple
different jobs. And I would recommend

1151
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:25,920
that you contact Eric and see what kind
of resources we can supply to again take

1152
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:31,600
the stress and workload off of these two
or three folks that you have left.

1153
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:39,159
Or have you I know doesn't CSD use a
payroll system like a company

1154
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:39,159
you guys don't do your own payroll

1155
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:49,119
» right Larry
>> to help take some of the burden off you

1156
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:53,280
package it give it to the the contract.
So if if I could chuck consistent with

1157
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:57,840
your request, which I don't disagree
with, I think it would be appropriate

1158
01:37:55,440 --> 01:38:03,119
for the fire protection district to
approve whatever additional resource it

1159
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:08,719
might be contributing to that and then
also I think it's perfect for the fire

1160
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:12,159
authority court um and especially CSD to
have an opportunity to chime in that

1161
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:17,520
they in fact want that help.
>> Yeah. No, that's whatever however it

1162
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:22,320
works. It's it's fine. I know we need to
get together I think [snorts] we'll get

1163
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:26,719
together a couple weeks to talk about
this on the table. That's why I said let

1164
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:31,159
chief write a letter to Eric express
what he needs and then we can go from

1165
01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:31,159
there.

1166
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:39,199
» And I just want to say that our role
here as a board is to provide clear and

1167
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:44,719
unified policy direction to staff so
that they may do their jobs of running a

1168
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:49,040
functional fire department. Today we
need to run the fire department for

1169
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:54,320
today. Time and time again the past year
we have encountered obstacles which have

1170
01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:59,679
made us unable to do this with the
separate votes to dissolve the JPA we

1171
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:04,000
have taken action that requires review
and intervention of outside agencies and

1172
01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:10,960
councils.
As you said director Melnik at the April

1173
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:16,880
FPD meeting we are not effectively
serving the people or getting anything

1174
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:22,320
done and we are a stagnant organization
and As you said, Director Pus at the May

1175
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:26,880
Fire Protection District meeting, we are
fighting a losing battle. It is time now

1176
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:32,960
that we take the fight outside, so to
speak. So, let's let the chief do his

1177
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:39,199
job, which he's been cutting and trying
to do. Effective safety service to this

1178
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:43,520
valley and we limit our board meetings
to the items that are essential and

1179
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:49,280
actionable.
>> Joe, one last thing if you don't mind.

1180
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:55,679
» Yes. Uh Nick, I know the city council
we're required now to uh have Zoom

1181
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:58,960
available and available for people to
call in. Are we under those same

1182
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:02,000
obligations here?
>> No. As a joint powers agency, we don't

1183
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:07,520
have the same obligations.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1184
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:11,840
» Anything else?
Okay. We will now move into close

1185
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:15,760
session which we're going to talk about
conference with legal counsel

1186
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:20,880
anticipated litigation and public
employee performance evaluation

1187
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:27,199
from position fire chief. You have
anything to add Nick?

1188
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:32,199
» Okay I end this session we will take a
brief break and I'm sorry

1189
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,880
» is there any

1190
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:48,400
Um, I just heard something that was
disappointing.

1191
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:52,239
I was a member of a group up here a few
years back which is kind of what

1192
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:58,080
catapulted me into becoming Santa Claus
last five or six years on my of my own

1193
01:40:55,440 --> 01:41:05,440
with my wife. I left that organization
because one of their comments to me was

1194
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:08,719
I was put to try to build membership and
in building membership I was talking to

1195
01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:12,800
a lot of the past members, a lot of the
current members, people crying to me

1196
01:41:10,719 --> 01:41:18,080
saying that they weren't respected, they
weren't treated well. Um I had a lot of

1197
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:22,480
individuals in the community saying they
wanted to help but they couldn't afford

1198
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:27,840
the $112
or$1

1199
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:33,119
dinner that we had every month.
And the people from that organization

1200
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:36,719
said if they can't afford $1 $112, we
don't need people like that. Maybe they

1201
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:42,000
don't belong here. Kind of heard that
today from someone that shocked me for

1202
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:47,600
saying it because there's a lot of
people in this community that can't

1203
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:53,280
afford $110 or $120 or whatever it is
for lunch or for an amount that you all

1204
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:57,840
and us pay for lunch. But there's a lot
of people that $120 is a lot. They would

1205
01:41:55,679 --> 01:42:02,400
like to serve the community. So to think
or to say that just because they can't

1206
01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:07,040
afford to give up the site that maybe
they shouldn't belong,

1207
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:13,320
that's really discounting a lot of this
community

1208
01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:13,320
» and that's the mentality issue. That's

1209
01:42:13,490 --> 01:42:22,800
[applause]
>> wait on the session items only.

1210
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:27,360
If they're only running to get $130,
then maybe that's not the appropriate

1211
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:31,760
reason to run and never discounted that
people may value the 130 or any amount

1212
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:34,880
of money is if that's the reason you're
running,

1213
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:39,199
» then that's not the right motivation.
>> Okay. The only discussion

1214
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:41,520
» I understand that you have Al Ziggler on
this council and I'm going to tell you

1215
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:45,679
something.
>> Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait.

1216
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:49,760
» Wait a minute. You you made a comment
>> that I'm going to look into a legal

1217
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:52,320
remedy where you started to talk about
people running for office that are fruit

1218
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:55,280
cakes.
>> I don't know. No, I don't care what it

1219
01:42:54,320 --> 01:43:00,719
is.
>> But if you're going to manage, it it

1220
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:05,440
isn't. Well, then I'll be contacting an
attorney about this group of people. But

1221
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:09,119
while you allow this man to serve on
this council while he's segregating

1222
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:13,440
people in your community that are
running for these offices, you'll be

1223
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:15,840
hearing from me. You just call your damn
lawyer. And I've got one, so don't worry

1224
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:18,340
about it.
>> We got that on tape, too.

1225
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:22,080
» You ain't got no damn right to get
[snorts] up there and badmouth me.

1226
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:27,119
» Excuse me. Excuse me. Go ahead.
>> We're adjourning this meeting and we

1227
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:32,360
will take a brief recess and go to close
session. Thank you.

1228
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:32,360
» A good idea.