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[throat clear] All right, let's call
to order the September 16th,

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2026 Big Lake City Council Workshop.

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Let the record reflect that all
council members are present.

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Before us is our agenda. Looking for
a motion to approve that.

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So moved. second. So moved by Phil
and seconded by Naughty.

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All in favor say I. I. I.

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Oppose same sign.

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Motion carries. We have an agenda.

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All right, moving on to four uh, 4A,

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2027 Street Project update.

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Lane, the floor is yours.

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Good evening, Mayor and council
members.

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So, there's two areas that we're
considering for next year.

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One is Lake Shore Drive and Hiawatha
Avenue,

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which is a mill and overlay, concrete
repairs.

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The other is continuing the extension
of Minnesota Avenue,

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that'd be phase two next year, going
across the field to the

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from the west and we're pursuing a
grant to fill a gap.

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Uh, but tonight I'm going to focus on
Lake Shore Drive

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and Hiawatha Avenue.

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Uh, pavement's in poor condition,
it's about 2.2 miles long.

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Uh, the work looks to include
milling, paving, curb

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and sidewalk replacement.

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Uh, we will need to do a seawall
repair on the north

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end of that. Uh, it's about 80 ft
long of seawall

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retaining wall next to the lake.

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We are investigating.

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We held eight open houses over the
past two weeks

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and there's general support from the
residents for that.

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27 people attended and they
represented 18 properties.

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I explained the project work and the
assessments.

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Uh, besides being supportive, uh,

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some of them had assessment questions
and access concerns.

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Uh, a couple of people also did
mention at the meetings that

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although the residents on the Lake
Shore and Hiawatha

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are being assessed,

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they thought that for the stub
streets, they should also be

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paying for Lake Shore Drive too in
Hiawatha because it's

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the only access.

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However, we do have other streets
where cul-de-sacs tie in

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and there's only one road to get in
and out.

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And our policy is to share the cost
60-40, citywide

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and we've been consistent since the
late 90s doing that.

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Everyone gets their turn and uh,
regardless if they live on a stub

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street or cul-de-sac

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or not or or on a through street.

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Hey, one quick question on that.

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So the people that live on the, you
know, so many else we said that,

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Somebody that lives on one of the
stub streets

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but has a, uh, a spot where they can
put their dock.

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Does that person get assessed because
they have

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the dock right there?

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Property on Lake Shore Drive or
Hiawatha, if they're on the lake,

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they get assessed.

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If they happen to live back on a stub
street,

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then they pay for their portion.

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Or if they live across the street,
they pay on both sides.

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Okay, so then the question.

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So like, and I don't know, so you're

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So if you're on a corner lot,

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if you're on a corner lot, you pay
one side.

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If we went through and assessed them
on their street

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that's in front of their house,

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do they still get assessed the full
for the Lake Shore

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because they're separate

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or is that like the same as a corner
lot where

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if you got two pieces, you get
assessed on the largest one

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but not the shortest one?

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They get assessed on both.

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And the reason it's the same PID.

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However, on the lake side, because
the lake side's not

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buildable, but they can put docks now
and there,

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you know, the patio, they can improve
it.

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They pay at a 50% rate compared to.

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Compared to what? So it's half of the
house.

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So let's say they both have 80 ft on
both sides of the road.

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On their house side, they they pay
the normal rate.

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But on the other side, they pay half
of the rate.

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So the person who lives like, let's
say down Westler,

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no, on one of the side streets that
just got assessed

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for the road in front of their house,

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they would get that full assessment

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and then they would get the full
assessment on the

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lake access piece too

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if it's like 20 ft wide or whatever
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Half, right? Half,

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I think I know, I think I know what
you mean.

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Uh, so let's say they live down
Westwood, five houses down. Yep.

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Three years ago, Westwood was
constructed and they had

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and on Westwood they had 80 ft,

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they paid for 80 ft at that time.

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Now we moved down the timeline three
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and now Lake Shore is getting it, but
they have a lake lot.

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Maybe they have 40 ft.

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So it only applies to the lake lot
for this project.

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But even though their property is
located over there,

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you know, the assessment gets mailed
to them,

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but it's for the property that's on
the lake.

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So they will. Okay. That was the
question.

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No, the question. No, the question,
the question.

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I use the corner for an example
because that was the only one

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I could think of that was that way.

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So that's why I was asking.

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So, so they will still get assessed
on the lake one

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because they're a part. Yep. And
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expensive. It's 50%

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Great.

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And right now the estimate of the

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what we've the information that we've

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shared at a very high level is uh
that the assessment rate is about

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$30 a foot on the hall side, that
means on the other side it'll be $15
a foot.

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Again, I have contingencies built in.

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We don't know exactly where oil's
going right now

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and that has a big impact on asphalt
and diesel.

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Um, but we'll see when we do the
engineering report how everything

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shakes out, but right now we just let
the residents know it's 30

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at a high level.

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All right, I'll just continue on
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Uh, here's a map just showing the
area.

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Um, where how Lakeshore Drive wraps
around the west side,

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and Hiawatha's on the north side of
the lakes.

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Here's a picture of near Lakeside
Park.

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Uh, I picked this picture to share
with Council because there's a couple

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things going on here.

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One, we have a street that's um, in
mean in poor shape.

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You can see Public Works has been out
there several times with a

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different colored patching material.

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But they've now had to put in um,

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it's a skim coat in the traffic lanes

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uh for this little segment right here
because it's deteriorated.

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If you notice on the other side of
the other side of the street, the far
side, the pavement

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looks like it's a good condition.

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Three years ago we did a one-inch
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It came in, milled it, patched it,
and left.

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Uh, but the other side looked fine,

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but this is accelerated.

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Another thing to note is in front of
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they're going to have curb
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You can see the curb is deteriorated
and it's gone

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in these big sections.

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Uh, we'll be replacing that curb.

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You see the curb on the other side
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Yeah, it's from this from here going
to US 10.

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It's the curb's in tough shape.

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Here's a here's a sidewalk next to
the sea wall, which is in the

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Westwood area.

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The sidewalk's cracked and settled,
moved a little bit,

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so we're going to be replacing this
and on the north, or on the far end

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of this picture, you can see there's
some saw cutting there.

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That's where, uh, we're doing an
exploration to see what's going on

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and we're going to have to fix the
wall on that end.

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Estimated cost is about $950,000.

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paid by City CIP Fund 196 and our
state aid column.

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It'll mostly be paid by state aid,
however.

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Uh, most of all the work will be
eligible.

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Special assessments have been
estimated at a very high level

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of $30 per front foot for lots with a
house or a buildable lot.

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And on the opposite side, typically
we find that's where the lake lots
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between the lake and the street, and
that is half the rate.

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Uh, previous mill and overlays have
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recently. The seawall repair may be
expensive,

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however, we're going to, we really
were looking to minimize

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the shortest section.

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With that, I'm happy to receive
comment or answer questions.

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Thanks, Lane.

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A lot of that curb, is it just
cheaper to rip it out

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than pay so me to cut this piece out
and then 8 ft. put this piece out

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and cut this piece out.

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Labor intensive wise, it's very much
more, so

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is there like a 50/50, it's one or
the other, you pay for labor, you pay

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for concrete.

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I mean, is it just cheaper to have it
rip out so much of that it's just

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junk. Rip it out and replace it?

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Uh, Mr. Mayor and Council members,

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if you look at the overall cost of
replacing it all versus just doing

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small segments,

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it's going to be cheaper to do the
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One of the reasons why is

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it costs more per foot when you do
the smaller segments rather than

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doing the longer segments.

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However, if we rip out all the curb
next to the sidewalk, we're going

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to lose the sidewalk,

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the majority of it,

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because that the foundation next to
the sidewalk will erode away,

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and the sidewalk might do this or it
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Uh, right now.

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So we want to keep the curb in place
to hold the sidewalk back and

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protect that.

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Um, the cost will probably just to
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will probably be in the neighborhood
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If we were to do long stretches, we'd
probably get it down to $40

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a foot.

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But then we're we're replacing a lot
of the curb that's in fine condition.

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Well, I'm not saying all the. I'm not
saying tear out all the curb, but

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there are sections where it's like
crap, crap, crap, crap.

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And then you get kind of towards the
other end, and there's just a little

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piece here or a little piece there,
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is it more cost beneficial that that
first area is really bad?

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Is you get going.

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One of the things we can do is we can
we can bid it out in a way where

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there's two options for the
contractor to bid,

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where they'll do, we did this in
2004, down on Harrison.

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Two to three-foot sections will have
a cost per lineal foot, that one'll

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probably be high.

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But if we exceed that and we're doing
sections maybe greater than

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6 feet, is what we or 8 feet, we do
long stretches,

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then they'd give us a different price
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because there's a cost in economy,
right, by doing longer sections.

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The other thing we want to avoid is
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doing more restoration. We're getting
into people's yards, irrigation,

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possible landscaping. So by keeping
the small slivers, it's not gonna

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look the best, but it's gonna save us
quite a bit of money. There's a

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difference between maybe a 150,000
and 300,000.

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the worst part of the curb does seems
to be on the lakeside of it.

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When you go, when you go, when you go
pedaling your bike around there, the

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side on the lake, it seems to be the
side that sucks.

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the side that sucks.

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And, I mean, I'd like to see it where
it's where it's really bad,

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where we're gonna have a three-foot
piece and a good whole three foot and

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a good three-foot and a whole three
foot we're cutting up.

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I like to see it to pend it all to
where the really bad like it's every

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five feet,

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fix it replacing that and then like
you said, the other areas where it's

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like the one piece there but it's
only one, that's different.

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But it's only one, that's different.

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But some of it is just, and some of
them are really going to pitch your

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sh will be there. It's wide.

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already.

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I mean,

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and you put new concrete next to old
concrete as it deteriorates the old

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concrete, now we're gonna new piece
and the new piece is just going to

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deteriorate. I don't know, I, I'd
like to see it where it's really bad

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bad and you don't wanna talk about
what you've been over there.

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I thought I, maybe I didn't explain
that, but that's what the plan would

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be if we have all these sections
where it's really opened up and we're

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saving very little between the
repairs then we just take it.

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repairs then we just take it.

239
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Okay.

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That's that's what you didn't say
that.

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that when we do that next to the
sidewalk it becomes problematic and

242
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and can run the costs up. Uh, Conry
Oppitts has been doing this for
decades

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where they do the slivers and it
doesn't look good.

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But we can also use a clear, a clear
curing compound instead of the bright

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white for this so it doesn't look
like a checker.

246
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I mean, it will stand out. Well, it's
gonna stand out, but it's what we did
last

247
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it will stand out. Well, it's gonna
stand out, but it's what we did last

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year, uh, up uh, north on the north
side of pineline drive.

249
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But when I do the engineering report,
I'll come back with information.

250
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We can dig into it deeper.

251
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Okay.

252
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Are we replacing any of the backside
sidewalks along there as well?

253
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The what?

254
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If the sidewalk, the square's like
cracked in the middle, are we
replacing

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any of that or? Yeah, we're gonna
have spot replacement of sidewalk

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throughout the

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throughout the 2.2 miles.

258
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So then when you do this project,

259
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this project, so next year project,
right?

260
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Yeah.

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is Hanna is it beneficial, we gotta
fix that piece by the lake.

262
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That piece by the lake is eventually
he's gonna take the Dame fence with
it.

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Is it is it better to would it be
better to would it be better to sit
on that piece and have em do the two
or two or three pieces that got to be
replaced over there at

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the same time?

265
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Mayor, he's talking about the
Esplanade.

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Um, so there is a crack on, on
Highway 10. on Highway 10. And it
shifted.

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on Highway 10. And it shifted.

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It's literally shifted and it's
holding it is the pole for the fence.

269
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Yeah.

270
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Norm has been in discussions with the
state on on this. Um, the DNR may
have to get involved as

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well but we'll have to shut down a
portion of Highway 10 in order to
yeah. So

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my question is is it is if we made it
to October

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and you're doing this next year, is
it

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financially cheaper to say, uh, if
we're gonna already gonna be over
doing

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gonna already gonna be over doing the
retaining wall and have to deal with
the

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DNR and the retaining wall, possibly.

277
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I, I don't know anything about that.

278
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I know but possibly.

279
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finding him to save money and ever.
Wait, till next year to do that one
you're saying?

280
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Well, I'm just saying if they got
both of 'em are gonna have to deal
with the DNR or

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Norm to fix that one over there and
Lane to fix the sidewalk and
retaining wall over

282
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there, is it is it going to be
cheaper to piggyback 'em?

283
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I'm not very happy though the one
over here is it is it fixed? I've
been on

284
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Norm pretty hard for this one but,

285
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is it financially better for us?

286
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I don't think we have the answers for
that right now for this conversation.

287
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Yeah. Yeah.

288
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Something to check into?

289
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We'd have to work with Norm because
he's been talking to the state about
this. So I, I know there's a timeline
that that they'll have to match up in
order to figure out if they can fix
that panel.

290
00:14:13,769 --> 00:14:18,519
Yeah. Or panels. Or panels. Maybe
they'd say it's not even going to
save us anything.

291
00:14:18,602 --> 00:14:20,631
That that could be the answer. Yep,
yep, absolutely.

292
00:14:20,714 --> 00:14:22,146
I just feel up to deal with the DNR
once. May as well.

293
00:14:22,229 --> 00:14:26,420
Yeah. Once they get a full, check it
up. Whatever.

294
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They're such friendly people.

295
00:14:27,689 --> 00:14:28,991
Okay, anything else, Lane?

296
00:14:29,074 --> 00:14:33,498
Okay. Anything else, any other
questions or comments for Lane?

297
00:14:33,597 --> 00:14:34,511
Okay, thank you.

298
00:14:34,594 --> 00:14:41,569
Oh, the only thing I wanted to add is
for next year, I would like to hold
open houses for Minnesota Avenue,
which is two property owners just for
that segment.

299
00:14:42,276 --> 00:14:49,251
Um, then to hold an open house one
evening and invite the Smith Trust
property for a presentation.

300
00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:52,246
Okay. So, if anyone had any concerns
with that,

301
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just get the ball rolling on it.

302
00:14:55,099 --> 00:14:56,428
Sounds fine to me.

303
00:14:56,947 --> 00:14:57,780
If you think it's a good idea.

304
00:14:57,863 --> 00:15:02,343
There's several hours away so if
there's an opportunity to kind of
coordinate with him,

305
00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,972
I want to be able to respond quick.

306
00:15:06,112 --> 00:15:06,945
Okay.

307
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Let's move on 4B, which is Big Lake
strategic plan

308
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discussion. Hannah, you kicking this
off?

309
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Yeah, I can kick it off.

310
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Um, so good evening everybody.

311
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This is a continuation of your
discussion from September 2nd.

312
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Um, and the only other item on
workshop this evening.

313
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Uh, so you have the memo in front of
you,

314
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uh, is what you have asked for for

315
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um more input from the management
team.

316
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The management team has provided you

317
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um some modified language to
consider,

318
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as well as uh some considerations

319
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for additional projects that are
above and beyond

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the normal work that we do everyday
service.

321
00:15:44,532 --> 00:15:48,175
Um, also included is a draft of the
outcome of

322
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September 2nd.

323
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I just want to remind you too, um,
prior to discussion that

324
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uh, the discussion is organized
around

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the five core functions of city
government,

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admin, finance, public safety,
infrastructure and

327
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utilities, land use and development.

328
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And again, please don't get um caught
up on where

329
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the projects lie within each of those
categories,

330
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uh, because the management team will
certainly

331
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take the information from your
discussions and

332
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organize it afterwards.

333
00:16:17,323 --> 00:16:19,800
Gina was nice enough to um prepare
some slides

334
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for you today.

335
00:16:21,763 --> 00:16:25,314
Um, so we have each core function
that I just listed,

336
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um, that I can go back and forth to,
however your

337
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discussion goes,

338
00:16:29,385 --> 00:16:32,371
and then we have the modified
language for you

339
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to consider as well as um additional
projects.

340
00:16:35,756 --> 00:16:38,030
So with that, I can take any
questions, but

341
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I'll just be listening and taking
notes.

342
00:16:41,724 --> 00:16:44,135
Does anybody have any questions for
Hannah right off the bat?

343
00:16:46,626 --> 00:16:47,520
Okay.

344
00:16:47,603 --> 00:16:48,931
All right.

345
00:16:49,067 --> 00:16:51,529
So, we all had a chance to read our
packets.

346
00:16:51,887 --> 00:16:53,723
Does anybody have anything they'd
like to say

347
00:16:53,806 --> 00:16:55,674
to start the discussion?

348
00:16:58,952 --> 00:17:00,865
I have a couple of things.

349
00:17:01,702 --> 00:17:03,249
Unless you want to go through these,

350
00:17:03,332 --> 00:17:05,451
does it make sense to go through them
one by one and

351
00:17:05,534 --> 00:17:06,873
give it the thumbs up or the thumbs
down?

352
00:17:07,241 --> 00:17:09,645
Uh, yeah, I think that's the only way
we really, really

353
00:17:09,728 --> 00:17:12,364
can with the list this long.

354
00:17:12,447 --> 00:17:13,280
Okay.

355
00:17:13,363 --> 00:17:15,820
One thing I was going to say about
this list,

356
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is that it's a great list. Thank you
everybody

357
00:17:17,782 --> 00:17:19,610
for your good work.

358
00:17:20,865 --> 00:17:24,997
Um, I would like to have something
that says what

359
00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:30,301
kind of putting a cost rating on it.

360
00:17:30,580 --> 00:17:32,864
Uh, some of the things on here don't
look like they're

361
00:17:32,947 --> 00:17:34,582
going to cost much of anything.

362
00:17:34,665 --> 00:17:38,909
Some might cost, might be
substantive.

363
00:17:39,049 --> 00:17:43,316
Um, even if it's like a rating of
one, two or three, or

364
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one, two, three, four, five.

365
00:17:46,263 --> 00:17:49,720
Heavy cost, almost no cost.

366
00:17:50,248 --> 00:17:54,107
Um, because I think that would help
to um,

367
00:17:54,190 --> 00:17:57,774
you know, ascertain whether we want
to whether we're

368
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going to put it in or not.

369
00:18:02,065 --> 00:18:04,918
Um, especially with you know,

370
00:18:05,001 --> 00:18:07,508
our LGA basically going away and so
on.

371
00:18:07,591 --> 00:18:10,485
So I think we need to be careful.

372
00:18:10,973 --> 00:18:13,048
But uh, like I said, a lot of it does
seem like it's

373
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going to be lower cost or maybe staff
time,

374
00:18:16,848 --> 00:18:21,664
which is a cost, but that type of
thing.

375
00:18:22,053 --> 00:18:25,294
But I would like to see that or even
if we

376
00:18:25,377 --> 00:18:31,196
do it as we go.

377
00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:33,315
But I'd like to see, I'd like to see
something on there,

378
00:18:33,398 --> 00:18:35,776
a rating of it, one, two, three, one,
two, three,

379
00:18:35,859 --> 00:18:37,703
four, five, whatever.

380
00:18:37,786 --> 00:18:42,595
So like under 50, under 150, under
three, over 500?

381
00:18:42,678 --> 00:18:43,797
Yeah, could do it like that.

382
00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,700
Yeah. I wasn't thinking of a even.

383
00:18:45,783 --> 00:18:47,573
Well, if we put it in there instead
of saying, well,

384
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look for a dollar amount, just

385
00:18:49,633 --> 00:18:52,286
the ones that are under 50,000 are
ones,

386
00:18:52,369 --> 00:18:55,534
anything from 50 to 150 is a two,

387
00:18:55,617 --> 00:19:00,384
and then anything over like 500,000
is a, oh, shaky.

388
00:19:00,782 --> 00:19:01,619
Any or whatever.

389
00:19:01,702 --> 00:19:04,768
So you know where you're at. Shaky.

390
00:19:04,851 --> 00:19:05,684
Oh, shaky.

391
00:19:05,767 --> 00:19:06,920
That's why shaky.

392
00:19:07,003 --> 00:19:08,819
That's when you coach little kids
football and you can't

393
00:19:08,902 --> 00:19:10,752
swear and you got to come up with
something because

394
00:19:10,835 --> 00:19:12,098
you're mad.

395
00:19:12,181 --> 00:19:13,014
Oh, shaky.

396
00:19:13,097 --> 00:19:13,940
Makes you feel better.

397
00:19:14,023 --> 00:19:15,876
Um, before we get into this list, in
the packet,

398
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there are also in this to consider
the following

399
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modified numbers.

400
00:19:23,067 --> 00:19:24,395
Yeah.

401
00:19:24,593 --> 00:19:25,426
Okay.

402
00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:28,660
And there's an additional um also
comment from Councilman

403
00:19:28,743 --> 00:19:33,123
Regarding, Minnesota. So don't forget
about that too.

404
00:19:33,206 --> 00:19:34,039
Okay.

405
00:19:34,122 --> 00:19:36,337
Well, let's look at um,

406
00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:38,499
So, can I just mention that this
doesn't have to be

407
00:19:38,582 --> 00:19:43,256
complete going to print today?

408
00:19:43,339 --> 00:19:44,720
No, it is.

409
00:19:44,803 --> 00:19:48,333
Um, you know, if we have to break it
down due to time where

410
00:19:48,416 --> 00:19:51,332
we go through the list, modify that,
and then do

411
00:19:51,415 --> 00:19:54,252
the cost rating

412
00:19:54,335 --> 00:19:57,570
because I we might be asking a lot
from staff at this point

413
00:19:57,653 --> 00:20:02,340
to say, well, is that 50 or or 100?

414
00:20:02,557 --> 00:20:03,739
right.

415
00:20:03,822 --> 00:20:06,479
you know what I mean that we may not
get the accuracy that we're

416
00:20:06,562 --> 00:20:09,668
Yeah. I wasn't looking at putting a
number on it tonight.

417
00:20:09,751 --> 00:20:13,623
Oh, okay. Even if we do have a number
though,

418
00:20:13,706 --> 00:20:16,503
We can still have it on the strategic
plan. Just have a

419
00:20:16,586 --> 00:20:18,977
right of what you think it costs.

420
00:20:19,097 --> 00:20:21,767
I mean, can I ask up

421
00:20:22,295 --> 00:20:27,463
Are we dealing with anything that's a
wish versus a necessity

422
00:20:27,546 --> 00:20:31,449
or a requirement on the list.

423
00:20:31,532 --> 00:20:35,089
This would be nice to have. No, this
is required to have.

424
00:20:35,418 --> 00:20:41,306
That kind of thing. Say as we go, we
can have that discussion.

425
00:20:41,964 --> 00:20:44,103
And costs is only one factor as to
the importance of

426
00:20:44,186 --> 00:20:46,474
giving us done.

427
00:20:46,557 --> 00:20:49,782
Sometimes your most expensive ones
are the most important ones

428
00:20:49,865 --> 00:20:52,057
you have done that are going to

429
00:20:52,555 --> 00:20:56,640
save efficiency and effectiveness and
play into life safety issues.

430
00:20:58,434 --> 00:21:02,237
Okay. So if we uh, let's just go
through them.

431
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,974
We got we got an hour.

432
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,614
Um, consider the following modified
language and conduct a

433
00:21:08,697 --> 00:21:11,304
comprehensive review of chapters 1
through 9 of the city code

434
00:21:11,387 --> 00:21:13,894
to ensure existing ordinances remain
legally compliant,

435
00:21:13,977 --> 00:21:16,585
operationally effective, consistent
with current City

436
00:21:16,668 --> 00:21:19,248
Council priorities and community
needs.

437
00:21:19,368 --> 00:21:21,052
That sounds fine.

438
00:21:21,968 --> 00:21:24,157
Yeah, I think this is a very
important one. This is one of

439
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,712
the top of my list.

440
00:21:25,795 --> 00:21:28,541
And there was just some confusion
with where I was at the last

441
00:21:28,624 --> 00:21:32,029
meeting as to what the parameters
were of the code

442
00:21:32,112 --> 00:21:34,709
revision.

443
00:21:34,792 --> 00:21:37,409
And I was understanding it
incorrectly as to how

444
00:21:37,492 --> 00:21:40,030
far that went.

445
00:21:40,113 --> 00:21:43,617
And through discussions, uh, we got
that worked out.

446
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:48,658
So this verbage is perfect for my
intent.

447
00:21:48,741 --> 00:21:50,940
Can we just go thumbs up or thumbs
down?

448
00:21:51,023 --> 00:21:54,796
I'm fine with it. Anybody got a
problem? Okay, thumbs up.

449
00:21:54,879 --> 00:21:57,636
Govern with integrity by maintaining
a robust finance

450
00:21:57,719 --> 00:22:00,226
and personnel policy framework

451
00:22:00,309 --> 00:22:02,916
that guarantees compliance with state
and federal laws while

452
00:22:02,999 --> 00:22:05,969
directly driving the council's key
initiatives.

453
00:22:06,806 --> 00:22:08,805
Thumbs up. Of course.

454
00:22:08,888 --> 00:22:11,884
Well, but this one here has to be
discussed just a little bit

455
00:22:11,967 --> 00:22:15,869
as what all this garbage in here says
is we're going to review our

456
00:22:15,952 --> 00:22:19,855
financial plan and our person our
financial policy, our our

457
00:22:19,938 --> 00:22:23,482
our uh personnel policy.

458
00:22:23,565 --> 00:22:27,188
Which that's that's the that's the Is
that what that guarantees?

459
00:22:27,271 --> 00:22:30,417
That's a that's a shorter shorter
term which is snaky.

460
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:31,333
Yeah.

461
00:22:31,416 --> 00:22:34,760
Yep. But the reason is is that this
language has to be put in

462
00:22:34,843 --> 00:22:38,945
there for governmental purposes.

463
00:22:39,028 --> 00:22:42,133
What language? The language that I
just read? Yes. Okay.

464
00:22:42,216 --> 00:22:44,196
So we replaced what you just said.

465
00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:45,833
We do it yearly. Okay.

466
00:22:46,371 --> 00:22:47,812
We we have to do it yearly.

467
00:22:47,895 --> 00:22:49,609
But we're understanding.

468
00:22:49,719 --> 00:22:53,591
You're understanding. Yeah, we're
understanding revision as it is now
that it can be

469
00:22:53,674 --> 00:22:56,879
maintained, but we need to get
everybody up to speed.

470
00:22:56,962 --> 00:22:59,809
But I understand that's done yearly.

471
00:22:59,892 --> 00:23:03,286
But we need to really dig into it,
so.

472
00:23:03,369 --> 00:23:04,724
What does that actually mean?

473
00:23:05,641 --> 00:23:07,106
What will be happen?

474
00:23:07,893 --> 00:23:10,131
Review and revise the City Council's
policies within

475
00:23:10,214 --> 00:23:12,194
the financial policy.

476
00:23:12,277 --> 00:23:15,452
It's just your financial policies is
policies and procedures.

477
00:23:15,535 --> 00:23:18,102
Actually, these are not like codes,
these are your policies

478
00:23:18,185 --> 00:23:20,733
and procedures.

479
00:23:20,816 --> 00:23:24,280
So this is how your finances are ran
and the personnel is

480
00:23:24,363 --> 00:23:28,126
how your personnel is ran also.

481
00:23:28,209 --> 00:23:31,255
So there is always changes, there's
always changes with

482
00:23:31,338 --> 00:23:33,626
your guys's directive.

483
00:23:33,709 --> 00:23:35,738
You need to be reviewing these
because they are brought to you

484
00:23:35,821 --> 00:23:37,073
every year.

485
00:23:37,156 --> 00:23:39,724
You need to be making sure that the
um these policies which are

486
00:23:39,807 --> 00:23:41,717
our guidelines to proceed

487
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,447
are what you guys want.

488
00:23:44,530 --> 00:23:47,197
As well as what legal says you can do
or cannot do

489
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,661
and as well as what the state and Fed
says you have to do.

490
00:23:51,744 --> 00:23:54,244
So, are we doing that already? You
said

491
00:23:54,972 --> 00:23:56,662
Well, we're yes, we're maintaining
the legality of it

492
00:23:56,745 --> 00:23:58,217
every year.

493
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:02,043
However, have we done a thorough
indepth as the council

494
00:24:02,126 --> 00:24:04,434
Right, look at it to see if the
policies that are not

495
00:24:04,517 --> 00:24:05,929
governed are what

496
00:24:06,012 --> 00:24:10,137
we're what we're intending.

497
00:24:10,286 --> 00:24:13,700
Okay. And that hasn't been done in a
long time.

498
00:24:13,783 --> 00:24:16,739
The financial end of it, I think will
be very quick.

499
00:24:16,822 --> 00:24:19,579
The personnel, we do have some
changes because of um the

500
00:24:19,662 --> 00:24:22,568
different laws that have come down
from the state that we need

501
00:24:22,651 --> 00:24:24,036
to

502
00:24:24,893 --> 00:24:27,391
Okay, look at. All right. So it's a
thumbs up then.

503
00:24:27,474 --> 00:24:30,340
Oversee the redevelopment of the City
Hall old school building

504
00:24:30,423 --> 00:24:33,528
site to attract a high quality
development project that

505
00:24:33,611 --> 00:24:36,518
maximizes the potential of one of the
community's most visible

506
00:24:36,601 --> 00:24:39,009
parcels, while increasing the city's
tax base and supporting

507
00:24:39,092 --> 00:24:41,320
long-term economic growth.

508
00:24:41,403 --> 00:24:42,924
Absolutely. Yeah.

509
00:24:43,007 --> 00:24:43,844
Thumbs up.

510
00:24:43,927 --> 00:24:46,093
What and why did that get so wordy?

511
00:24:46,176 --> 00:24:49,670
Is that a reason to or are we just
playing politics here?

512
00:24:49,753 --> 00:24:52,460
Um, there is going to be a potential,
I mean, well, there's

513
00:24:52,543 --> 00:24:55,150
a partnership with a developer and
there's going to be a lot

514
00:24:55,233 --> 00:24:57,940
of opportunity for also partnering
with the state on

515
00:24:58,023 --> 00:25:01,228
this project. So you

516
00:25:01,311 --> 00:25:02,882
need to have that language.

517
00:25:02,965 --> 00:25:05,552
I was going to say. Forget for
getting grants.

518
00:25:05,635 --> 00:25:09,647
public language for very public
purpose.

519
00:25:09,730 --> 00:25:12,749
And it needs to be pretty.

520
00:25:13,063 --> 00:25:15,146
There you go. I mean, simply stated.

521
00:25:15,753 --> 00:25:17,105
All right. Thumbs up, right?

522
00:25:17,188 --> 00:25:19,362
Yeah. Complete the wastewater
treatment facility final

523
00:25:19,445 --> 00:25:22,052
design process in preparation for a
successful 2029

524
00:25:22,135 --> 00:25:23,163
groundbreaking.

525
00:25:23,246 --> 00:25:26,835
if sufficient funding is not secured,
potentially phase the

526
00:25:26,918 --> 00:25:31,138
project to align construction with
available resources.

527
00:25:32,871 --> 00:25:33,848
Thumbs up.

528
00:25:33,931 --> 00:25:34,764
Mhm.

529
00:25:34,847 --> 00:25:35,721
Okay.

530
00:25:35,804 --> 00:25:38,770
Um, complete the public safety
facility project, transition

531
00:25:38,853 --> 00:25:42,220
City Hall and police department to
new facility.

532
00:25:43,127 --> 00:25:44,230
Okay.

533
00:25:44,313 --> 00:25:45,641
Um,

534
00:25:46,136 --> 00:25:47,049
Last one.

535
00:25:47,132 --> 00:25:50,153
Facilitate the relocation of the
current public works yard waste

536
00:25:50,236 --> 00:25:53,142
site to the wastewater treatment
facility site in coordination

537
00:25:53,225 --> 00:25:55,733
with the future wastewater treatment
facility expansion

538
00:25:55,816 --> 00:26:00,225
project, thereby improving site
safety and reducing risks.

539
00:26:01,749 --> 00:26:04,103
How much did we say that might cost?
Did somebody put a number

540
00:26:04,186 --> 00:26:05,019
on that?

541
00:26:05,102 --> 00:26:05,935
We don't know.

542
00:26:06,018 --> 00:26:06,891
investment.

543
00:26:06,974 --> 00:26:07,807
Okay.

544
00:26:07,890 --> 00:26:11,756
But it can be dovetailed in with the
the

545
00:26:12,099 --> 00:26:12,932
We're hoping so.

546
00:26:13,015 --> 00:26:15,584
the construction costs for the the
wastewater treatment

547
00:26:15,667 --> 00:26:18,000
facility too potentially.

548
00:26:18,083 --> 00:26:22,559
So, they will need to, uh, what we
believe, the contractor

549
00:26:22,642 --> 00:26:25,050
for the wastewater treatment facility
will need to

550
00:26:25,133 --> 00:26:28,781
construct a road to mobilize
equipment.

551
00:26:28,864 --> 00:26:33,564
And so what we're hoping is that this
could align with that,

552
00:26:33,647 --> 00:26:35,447
join forces, save money.

553
00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:36,363
So,

554
00:26:36,446 --> 00:26:37,774
Yeah.

555
00:26:38,251 --> 00:26:42,715
They would just Qatar that that spot
to over there.

556
00:26:43,851 --> 00:26:46,473
At the old wastewater treatment or at
the old public at the

557
00:26:46,556 --> 00:26:47,534
public works building.

558
00:26:47,617 --> 00:26:48,451
several years ago, like

559
00:26:48,534 --> 00:26:49,716
Oh, for the current compost?

560
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:50,632
10 years ago now?

561
00:26:50,715 --> 00:26:51,708
The 10 years.

562
00:26:51,791 --> 00:26:52,624
Yeah.

563
00:26:52,707 --> 00:26:54,035
It's been a while.

564
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:57,658
All right, so,

565
00:26:57,855 --> 00:26:59,081
thumbs up on that one then.

566
00:26:59,164 --> 00:26:59,997
Okay.

567
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,830
Then we move on to the staff
recommendations.

568
00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:04,746
Consider adding

569
00:27:04,829 --> 00:27:08,334
develop and implement comprehensive
cybersecurity

570
00:27:08,417 --> 00:27:11,324
policies and a business continuity
plan to protect

571
00:27:11,407 --> 00:27:16,065
city operations, data, and essential

572
00:27:18,695 --> 00:27:20,518
Thumbs up, thumbs down.

573
00:27:22,362 --> 00:27:25,970
So this is basically above and beyond
what your normal you'd

574
00:27:26,053 --> 00:27:28,207
be doing.

575
00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:30,688
This will be taking a lot of time.

576
00:27:30,771 --> 00:27:33,677
It's mostly spending time.

577
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,325
Uh, but the LMC is working with us on
this, and and that, um,

578
00:27:38,408 --> 00:27:41,215
is not a cost where there I mean,
it's a service that they

579
00:27:41,298 --> 00:27:42,306
provide us.

580
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:45,998
But it is a plan that we certainly
need to create and

581
00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:47,756
execute.

582
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:49,560
We don't have a policy around this
right now.

583
00:27:49,643 --> 00:27:51,815
Okay, thumbs up then for me.

584
00:27:52,642 --> 00:27:54,223
Okay.

585
00:27:54,306 --> 00:27:55,538
As long as we get three of them.

586
00:27:55,621 --> 00:27:58,552
Update the emergency operations
policies and standard operating

587
00:27:58,635 --> 00:27:59,963
procedures.

588
00:28:02,038 --> 00:28:03,366
Thumbs up.

589
00:28:04,529 --> 00:28:07,121
Update the city's emergency response
plan for utility

590
00:28:07,204 --> 00:28:08,421
operations.

591
00:28:08,504 --> 00:28:09,337
Okay.

592
00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:10,748
Yeah.

593
00:28:12,147 --> 00:28:15,327
Advance the city's permitting
operations by transitioning

594
00:28:15,410 --> 00:28:18,615
all building permit applications and
review processes to an

595
00:28:18,698 --> 00:28:21,604
online platform, enhancing service
delivery and

596
00:28:21,687 --> 00:28:24,389
operational efficiency.

597
00:28:24,472 --> 00:28:27,782
What do you do if you, what do you do
if grandma comes in and

598
00:28:27,865 --> 00:28:28,773
she is not

599
00:28:28,856 --> 00:28:31,269
No, it's still be we're never going
to get rid of paper

600
00:28:31,352 --> 00:28:32,300
applications.

601
00:28:32,383 --> 00:28:33,216
Yeah.

602
00:28:33,299 --> 00:28:34,419
Okay, because I thought that says.

603
00:28:34,502 --> 00:28:35,728
Yeah.

604
00:28:35,811 --> 00:28:36,644
No.

605
00:28:36,727 --> 00:28:38,427
Uh, grandma's not going to be able to
do if you talk to her.

606
00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:40,350
It does say all building permit.

607
00:28:40,433 --> 00:28:41,266
I think it's

608
00:28:41,349 --> 00:28:42,182
It does say all.

609
00:28:42,265 --> 00:28:45,385
where your what we were originally
starting was just the over the

610
00:28:45,468 --> 00:28:49,370
counter permits is what we were going
to hope to go online, but

611
00:28:49,453 --> 00:28:52,957
this would be you could do uh, brand
new residential or a

612
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,847
brand new commercial, that's what we
mean by all building

613
00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:56,938
type.

614
00:28:57,021 --> 00:28:57,854
Yeah.

615
00:28:57,937 --> 00:28:59,973
All permit type. Just all type.

616
00:29:00,056 --> 00:29:00,989
All type.

617
00:29:01,072 --> 00:29:01,916
Yep.

618
00:29:01,999 --> 00:29:03,583
So it's not confusing.

619
00:29:04,225 --> 00:29:05,058
All permit type.

620
00:29:05,141 --> 00:29:08,039
equip 100% of the city workforce with
the training

621
00:29:08,122 --> 00:29:10,430
tools and technical competencies
required to

622
00:29:10,513 --> 00:29:13,320
confidently and effectively navigate
modern municipal

623
00:29:13,403 --> 00:29:15,706
software, hardware platforms.

624
00:29:15,789 --> 00:29:17,871
Ooh, they're going to teach him the
computer?

625
00:29:18,031 --> 00:29:20,792
That would mean continue on the
trainings that we've been

626
00:29:20,875 --> 00:29:22,764
that we have started.

627
00:29:23,391 --> 00:29:26,297
So that, yes, we all know how to use
the computer.

628
00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:28,114
Okay. So, is there a

629
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:30,887
There's a call for.

630
00:29:31,601 --> 00:29:32,930
Um,

631
00:29:34,531 --> 00:29:39,054
What what's the matrix of the
accomplishment then there?

632
00:29:39,572 --> 00:29:42,070
Well, we're not writing sticky notes
and hanging them on.

633
00:29:42,153 --> 00:29:43,481
But is it

634
00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:51,879
Is there a usage? I mean, is it 100%
integration into public

635
00:29:51,962 --> 00:29:53,291
works?

636
00:29:54,927 --> 00:29:56,089
Was that?

637
00:29:56,172 --> 00:30:00,448
It would be like, so currently we
have um, technology that

638
00:30:00,531 --> 00:30:03,486
for you see uh

639
00:30:04,162 --> 00:30:06,142
somebody were to see a sign

640
00:30:06,225 --> 00:30:12,678
or a tree down, they could actually
be Public Works could have their
laptop

641
00:30:12,761 --> 00:30:16,746
out in the field, do a service order
and it's all tracked.

642
00:30:17,918 --> 00:30:22,598
But so is the, you know, so when we
look back at this,

643
00:30:22,681 --> 00:30:27,410
is it that this is being implemented
to 90% or 100%?

644
00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:29,925
Yes. You're never going to get 100%.

645
00:30:31,084 --> 00:30:33,064
Because it would be U5 too.

646
00:30:33,147 --> 00:30:34,023
So you're never going to get

647
00:30:34,106 --> 00:30:37,063
[laughter]
Thanks. Thanks.

648
00:30:38,796 --> 00:30:40,969
I mean, Ken did kill his computer
here.

649
00:30:41,058 --> 00:30:42,802
Yes. Yes.

650
00:30:43,385 --> 00:30:44,946
It's said update. I don't know.

651
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:47,118
90% would be Yeah, unrealistic.

652
00:30:47,201 --> 00:30:51,990
But they're everything on there, we
have to have some kind of qualifier

653
00:30:52,073 --> 00:30:55,142
that, you know, so anything when I
hear continued to

654
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:58,936
I I needed to know, okay, but what at
the end of continued?

655
00:30:59,019 --> 00:31:01,865
Well, you're going to always continue
to do this because you always have

656
00:31:01,948 --> 00:31:02,781
new staff.

657
00:31:02,864 --> 00:31:04,824
Well, let's keep comments on us.

658
00:31:04,953 --> 00:31:10,111
So I would say 90% is your goal. You
would want at least 90% to be

659
00:31:10,194 --> 00:31:11,523
able to

660
00:31:11,848 --> 00:31:14,429
Well, I'm okay with that if we do
something like that.

661
00:31:14,539 --> 00:31:17,584
Or even, you know, maybe you go 85,
but I would think 90.

662
00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:20,045
Whatever percentage you think is
obtainable.

663
00:31:20,128 --> 00:31:22,975
Okay. So they put equip 90 to 100%.

664
00:31:23,058 --> 00:31:25,167
Yeah, you got to leave a sweet of
life in there for somebody like me.

665
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:30,697
Another equip and the the whole
workforce, but 90% compliance

666
00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:31,613
or usage.

667
00:31:31,696 --> 00:31:34,007
Because not everybody's going to get
it.

668
00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:39,075
Okay. Well, if it's a requirement of
the job, they would they they do.

669
00:31:39,158 --> 00:31:42,934
I mean, it doesn't have to be that
fuzzy.

670
00:31:43,074 --> 00:31:45,382
Complete a water, sewer, rain study.

671
00:31:45,465 --> 00:31:50,686
And that's basically to tell us if
we're in line with other communities.

672
00:31:51,801 --> 00:31:56,640
What we're charging? No, not with
other communities, that's based on

673
00:31:56,723 --> 00:32:02,549
what it costs um, for to process
clean or process the wastewater,

674
00:32:02,632 --> 00:32:09,454
as well as maintain our water
treatment if we're charging the
correct fee

675
00:32:09,537 --> 00:32:10,370
schedule.

676
00:32:10,453 --> 00:32:14,903
Not comparing us to anybody else,
just based on what our costs are

677
00:32:14,986 --> 00:32:18,354
is our fees actually truly correct.

678
00:32:18,543 --> 00:32:20,991
You should compare to other people.
That's where you get beat up.

679
00:32:21,074 --> 00:32:23,024
I know. Is that going to balance
itself out?

680
00:32:23,107 --> 00:32:28,324
Like uh, actually we're going to pay
off the this wastewater treatment

681
00:32:28,407 --> 00:32:29,240
plant.

682
00:32:29,323 --> 00:32:35,773
I mean, what whatever number they
give us, is it all going to zero out
so

683
00:32:35,856 --> 00:32:36,689
that we're actually recovering all
the expenses?

684
00:32:36,772 --> 00:32:43,143
That's what the goal is that you're
covering for your um, depreciation

685
00:32:43,226 --> 00:32:48,862
on the equipment for replacement
costs, your bond payment for the
expansion

686
00:32:48,945 --> 00:32:52,432
is what the goal is and still
maintaining a positive cash flow.

687
00:32:53,648 --> 00:32:56,046
What does it cost to do a study like
that, you know?

688
00:32:56,129 --> 00:32:57,753
25 to 50,000.

689
00:32:59,547 --> 00:33:01,122
That could be a one.

690
00:33:01,450 --> 00:33:06,937
We were recommended, it was
recommended, it was recommended,
right? That about a year after the

691
00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:12,686
new meters were installed and and
active that that this is something

692
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:14,097
the council should consider.

693
00:33:16,041 --> 00:33:19,778
You mean a one in terms of cost or
you mean a one in terms of, okay.

694
00:33:20,475 --> 00:33:22,079
for priority level. There you go.

695
00:33:22,299 --> 00:33:23,893
Or priority level, right?

696
00:33:24,979 --> 00:33:27,261
Do we set that one on the side for a
little bit?

697
00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:29,689
Sure. I will. I will.

698
00:33:29,772 --> 00:33:31,100
Sideways?

699
00:33:31,635 --> 00:33:34,046
[laughter]
Sideways.

700
00:33:34,474 --> 00:33:38,277
We need to be able to know eventually
if what

701
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,329
is being charged is what's going to
cover the need

702
00:33:43,412 --> 00:33:47,059
or the correct. Yes.

703
00:33:48,135 --> 00:33:49,998
which I think is important.

704
00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:54,970
Is it a depreciated value of the
equipment set aside?

705
00:33:55,548 --> 00:33:57,351
Um, no, it has not been.

706
00:33:57,770 --> 00:34:02,041
So you're depreciating the value of a
piece of equipment, but you don't

707
00:34:02,124 --> 00:34:02,957
put that money anywhere to replace
that equipment.

708
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,514
So you're depreciating that using
that mathematical equation,

709
00:34:06,597 --> 00:34:10,778
but you're not actually saving it on
the side to replace that piece of

710
00:34:10,861 --> 00:34:11,894
equipment.

711
00:34:11,977 --> 00:34:15,551
Correct. We're talking about
specifically wastewater or water

712
00:34:15,634 --> 00:34:16,467
treatment.

713
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:21,449
Right. Because those are the only two
that actually truly do depreciation.

714
00:34:23,173 --> 00:34:26,099
I mean, we split it saying here's
what it should be,

715
00:34:26,182 --> 00:34:31,639
but no, we do not have 58 million
sitting in your wastewater treatment

716
00:34:31,722 --> 00:34:32,555
plant to

717
00:34:32,638 --> 00:34:33,979
That's the goal is that

718
00:34:34,062 --> 00:34:38,533
That's a tough one because you set
your you you set your rates on
depreciation

719
00:34:38,616 --> 00:34:39,449
value.

720
00:34:39,532 --> 00:34:41,162
No, we don't, we don't include that.

721
00:34:41,245 --> 00:34:43,205
It's figured in there, right?
Somewhere.

722
00:34:43,288 --> 00:34:50,110
It's in the expense that, but then
when we're actually calculating, we

723
00:34:50,193 --> 00:34:51,521
take out depreciation because that's
not a cash item.

724
00:34:54,347 --> 00:35:00,771
But the goal is that you would like
to at least have some money to
replace

725
00:35:00,854 --> 00:35:01,687
the small equipment.

726
00:35:01,770 --> 00:35:05,828
There's no way you're going to have
58 million sitting in the cap in your

727
00:35:05,911 --> 00:35:06,744
bank.

728
00:35:06,827 --> 00:35:09,966
replace uh wastewater treatment plant

729
00:35:12,835 --> 00:35:14,459
Okay, we'll set that one side.

730
00:35:15,057 --> 00:35:16,950
Um, complete what

731
00:35:17,678 --> 00:35:21,075
complete water system hydraulic
modeling.

732
00:35:21,562 --> 00:35:27,467
I I would like to say that this
bullet as well as the bullet

733
00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:28,383
underneath, now Dan, let me know if
I'm missing something.

734
00:35:28,466 --> 00:35:30,056
Um, but this is how I understand it.

735
00:35:30,139 --> 00:35:34,082
So in your draft, uh, something that
made it was

736
00:35:34,165 --> 00:35:39,715
a comprehensive analysis of the
Parks, Trails, Lakes system.

737
00:35:40,731 --> 00:35:44,484
That is basically the same thing for
utilities.

738
00:35:44,567 --> 00:35:48,440
What is the water system hydraulic
modeling and sewer system modeling?

739
00:35:48,523 --> 00:35:52,090
It's doing a comprehensive analysis
of our utilities.

740
00:35:52,624 --> 00:35:54,846
And this is that

741
00:35:55,772 --> 00:35:58,170
Yeah, that came. Yep, absolutely.

742
00:35:58,253 --> 00:35:59,582
Mhm.

743
00:36:00,605 --> 00:36:02,684
He grew up too much caffeine in her
system.

744
00:36:02,767 --> 00:36:06,025
[inaudible]

745
00:36:06,862 --> 00:36:10,147
There's multiple levels to modeling
that you go to say

746
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:15,531
just fire flows, and then future
potential growth.

747
00:36:15,889 --> 00:36:22,751
And this it's not just, okay, here
it's not just, okay, here it's not
just uh oh, $30,000 gives us done.

748
00:36:22,834 --> 00:36:26,169
It's anywhere, it's all over the
board, depends on what we really
want.

749
00:36:26,252 --> 00:36:28,504
Dan, put it by your mouth.

750
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:30,758
I don't know.

751
00:36:32,688 --> 00:36:34,552
Um, so what do we get out of that
then?

752
00:36:34,801 --> 00:36:37,012
It's protecting the city first,

753
00:36:37,095 --> 00:36:39,032
we want to get caught with their
pants down.

754
00:36:39,115 --> 00:36:41,623
You know, oh, we should have did this
before, you know.

755
00:36:41,706 --> 00:36:44,333
So if you don't do something, put 100
houses over here and we don't have
water.

756
00:36:44,416 --> 00:36:45,249
Right.

757
00:36:45,332 --> 00:36:47,590
If you do something like this, you
do, you get what happened at the

758
00:36:47,673 --> 00:36:51,177
grain elevator where you couldn't
flush the toilet or run your faucet

759
00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:55,010
at my house because they didn't know
that they didn't loop it.

760
00:36:55,093 --> 00:36:57,554
So when we hit that at the fire
department, there was no water

761
00:36:57,637 --> 00:37:00,121
on that side of town because we stole
it all.

762
00:37:00,204 --> 00:37:03,084
And then when we had the fire out
here, we did, we took every ounce

763
00:37:03,167 --> 00:37:06,272
you couldn't, you couldn't get your
plunger to stay up in your in your

764
00:37:06,355 --> 00:37:09,687
sink because there was no water on
that side of town because it wasn't

765
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:12,729
looped. So that after that, some of
our fires we had issues with,

766
00:37:12,812 --> 00:37:16,173
that's when they started to come back
and really push in the looping of the
system.

767
00:37:16,256 --> 00:37:21,753
So what Dan's doing is trying to find
out where we have the flaw before we
have another one of these.

768
00:37:21,836 --> 00:37:22,669
Yeah.

769
00:37:22,752 --> 00:37:25,880
For that Acuraf fire outside of town,
we had the same deal, we

770
00:37:25,963 --> 00:37:30,563
were plugged into a hydrant that
created problems because it wasn't

771
00:37:30,646 --> 00:37:32,852
being fed by enough places.

772
00:37:32,935 --> 00:37:33,888
So,

773
00:37:33,971 --> 00:37:36,160
That's what I is that what you're
trying to going after, Dan?

774
00:37:36,243 --> 00:37:42,516
It's it's a safety deal because your
fire department at least you can tell
them, hey, this is a dead end.

775
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:44,652
This has bad flow.

776
00:37:44,961 --> 00:37:48,608
You know, because then they'll know
if they have to relay pump if they'll
haul water or what.

777
00:37:48,727 --> 00:37:51,484
So, that's what I would take it as
for the safety side.

778
00:37:51,567 --> 00:37:58,140
It's also the same on the sewer side
of things because the pipes under the
ground can only take so much waste
water through them.

779
00:37:58,223 --> 00:38:03,311
You got 8-inch pipes, you get 12-inch
pipes, you get 12-inch pipes, 16-inch
pipes, they can only take so much
water.

780
00:38:03,394 --> 00:38:07,130
So are you saying that you you you
complete these modelings and then

781
00:38:07,213 --> 00:38:13,056
there's a whole bunch of work to fix
because we've discovered some issues?

782
00:38:13,139 --> 00:38:19,422
No, it just as we develop and grow,
it's a this is to say hey, okay, we
do

783
00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:22,694
uh, there's an interceptor line, I
know it doesn't make any sense to

784
00:38:22,777 --> 00:38:26,878
you, but there's a large pipe that
goes down 43 by port 3 and over

785
00:38:26,961 --> 00:38:28,440
to our main lift station.

786
00:38:28,523 --> 00:38:33,255
Well, back in 2004, this is I'm
speaking just wastewater, there

787
00:38:33,338 --> 00:38:38,337
was one pointed out that was put by
your club not far from you, and

788
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:42,023
go through the fields there and over
to the main lift station and

789
00:38:42,106 --> 00:38:46,108
then on the east side of town, it
would take all the stress off the

790
00:38:46,191 --> 00:38:49,334
existing sewer system that is
currently in place.

791
00:38:49,417 --> 00:38:55,186
So as we develop, it's not adding all
this water through the pipes that
have been underground since 1980.

792
00:38:55,344 --> 00:38:59,060
I think it's I think it's important
to I mean, there's there's a lot

793
00:38:59,143 --> 00:39:02,349
of things that are in play here,
there's public safety, there's

794
00:39:02,432 --> 00:39:06,733
future planning, there's uh,
maintenance which can uh, save

795
00:39:06,816 --> 00:39:09,589
greatly down the road.

796
00:39:09,672 --> 00:39:14,545
There's a lot of reasons to um, to
have this information.

797
00:39:14,994 --> 00:39:15,827
I agree.

798
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:17,238
Thumbs up.

799
00:39:17,723 --> 00:39:21,549
It's our responsibility to take care
of that stuff.

800
00:39:22,077 --> 00:39:27,438
Um, how about update programmable,
well, did we have three up three
thumbs up on that?

801
00:39:27,707 --> 00:39:33,924
Um, update programmable logic
controllers at the water and waste
water plants.

802
00:39:34,532 --> 00:39:37,999
We've been slowly working on this, I
mean this last cyber security

803
00:39:38,082 --> 00:39:43,798
thing kind of opened our eyes up that
we maybe we should go a little
quicker on this.

804
00:39:44,476 --> 00:39:47,186
Um, the wastewater one we're
obviously going to try to do with

805
00:39:47,269 --> 00:39:50,773
the project, but we've been working
on doing like the towers, the lift

806
00:39:50,856 --> 00:39:54,300
stations and the wells, which it
gives us prior parts when we get

807
00:39:54,383 --> 00:39:55,944
to the water plant.

808
00:39:56,482 --> 00:40:01,590
But um, yeah, there's they don't even
make this stuff that we have, they
don't even make anymore.

809
00:40:01,673 --> 00:40:03,002
It's just

810
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,026
Not only do they not make them, you
can't update them because they

811
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:09,942
don't support them anymore.

812
00:40:10,025 --> 00:40:11,948
This is like routine maintenance.

813
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:12,912
Yeah. Okay.

814
00:40:12,995 --> 00:40:15,186
So, with that being said, is it

815
00:40:15,884 --> 00:40:19,178
it doesn't belong here if it's
routine maintenance?

816
00:40:19,261 --> 00:40:23,415
It's not it's not a requirement.
That's why I wanted it on here
because it's

817
00:40:23,498 --> 00:40:26,425
not required by the state. I don't
understand why it's not, but it's
not.

818
00:40:26,714 --> 00:40:29,884
They just pay for people. But it's
required by your common sense.

819
00:40:29,967 --> 00:40:30,800
Exactly.

820
00:40:30,883 --> 00:40:34,197
It's recommend it's recommended the
other things are going.

821
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,452
And we have it built into the budget.

822
00:40:35,535 --> 00:40:37,605
And we've got, we try to build it
into the budget.

823
00:40:37,688 --> 00:40:39,521
and it's operational.

824
00:40:40,557 --> 00:40:42,151
So. So.

825
00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:47,539
I would say continue on with it, but
I would say continue on with it, but
I don't know if it fits in the
strategic

826
00:40:47,622 --> 00:40:48,950
plan necessarily.

827
00:40:49,086 --> 00:40:53,029
As long as we hear that and so keep
doing it.

828
00:40:53,112 --> 00:40:53,945
Yep.

829
00:40:54,028 --> 00:40:58,866
Well, let me just break in if I might
here because this is a concern mine

830
00:40:58,949 --> 00:40:59,782
from the last meeting.

831
00:40:59,865 --> 00:41:05,431
is the strategic plan is isn't
developed to

832
00:41:05,514 --> 00:41:10,829
alleviate staff of making good
choices.

833
00:41:10,912 --> 00:41:16,311
So, I mean, something major comes up
and they don't deal with it

834
00:41:16,394 --> 00:41:19,171
and they say, well, it wasn't on your
strategic plan. We're following that.

835
00:41:19,254 --> 00:41:20,087
Well, that's bullshit.

836
00:41:20,170 --> 00:41:21,003
Okay.

837
00:41:21,086 --> 00:41:24,283
And let's just get out there that
that's not what we're here for.

838
00:41:24,366 --> 00:41:27,950
We still have maintenance to do. We
still do these things.

839
00:41:28,033 --> 00:41:31,399
It's just, um, you know,

840
00:41:31,717 --> 00:41:38,242
and it's not for us to take it as to
why are you doing that because it's

841
00:41:38,325 --> 00:41:40,004
not on the street. Well, because it's
our job.

842
00:41:40,087 --> 00:41:42,886
So, let's try to keep the common
sense going here.

843
00:41:42,969 --> 00:41:44,569
And not

844
00:41:44,652 --> 00:41:47,867
get uh, you know, this isn't a uh,
uh, dividing.

845
00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:51,295
This is the whole thing is to get the
council and the staff working

846
00:41:51,378 --> 00:41:55,480
very integrated as a team on the on
the right things.

847
00:41:55,563 --> 00:42:00,094
Not to divide a line and alleviate
anybody of responsibility.

848
00:42:00,413 --> 00:42:01,956
All right, I'm off my soapbox.

849
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:03,389
We can go on now.

850
00:42:03,472 --> 00:42:04,395
Please.

851
00:42:04,478 --> 00:42:09,230
I was going to say, a lot of the
stuff that we've been talking about,
it it

852
00:42:09,313 --> 00:42:13,193
deals specifically with utility
capacity, which is a part of
infrastructure.

853
00:42:13,276 --> 00:42:17,948
And honestly, I mean, we need to, I
mean, that is the strategic plan

854
00:42:18,031 --> 00:42:23,187
item to make sure that our utility
capacity is in line with how we're
growing.

855
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:24,136
All right.

856
00:42:24,219 --> 00:42:27,215
And whatever Dan does, uh, you know,

857
00:42:27,298 --> 00:42:33,254
and like you said, it doesn't
necessarily that's not a top line
item, but it's just a

858
00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:38,523
a series of steps that he will take
to make sure that we have proper

859
00:42:38,606 --> 00:42:43,228
utility capacity, I mean, as as we're
growing and what we need.

860
00:42:44,025 --> 00:42:45,353
That makes sense.

861
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:47,632
He's smart. Smart girl.

862
00:42:48,778 --> 00:42:50,106
I hear you.

863
00:42:50,332 --> 00:42:55,081
Let's move on to complete water tower
number three rehabilitation and begin

864
00:42:55,164 --> 00:42:56,493
water tower number two
rehabilitation.

865
00:42:57,406 --> 00:42:59,977
And this is already in process, is it
not?

866
00:43:00,306 --> 00:43:01,139
We're already funding.

867
00:43:01,222 --> 00:43:02,915
And we're already budgeting for it.

868
00:43:02,998 --> 00:43:03,949
Sounds good.

869
00:43:04,032 --> 00:43:04,865
Okay.

870
00:43:04,948 --> 00:43:06,276
Right.

871
00:43:06,871 --> 00:43:07,924
Okay.

872
00:43:08,007 --> 00:43:11,653
Design onsite fueling at the Public
Works facility.

873
00:43:11,867 --> 00:43:13,195
Hmm.

874
00:43:13,666 --> 00:43:14,499
[throat clearing]

875
00:43:14,742 --> 00:43:16,313
wonder where that came from two years
ago.

876
00:43:16,396 --> 00:43:17,229
[inaudible]

877
00:43:17,881 --> 00:43:19,045
Well, we had, this is a this is a
huge one.

878
00:43:19,128 --> 00:43:22,802
We just ate a we just ate a hell a
lot of curl on this one.

879
00:43:22,885 --> 00:43:26,010
They're talking diesel fuel's going
to go to eight might go to $8 a
gallon

880
00:43:26,093 --> 00:43:28,342
and we could have bought at $4 a
gallon.

881
00:43:28,425 --> 00:43:30,983
This costs the taxpayers a lot of
money.

882
00:43:31,153 --> 00:43:34,760
This was a big and I've been after
this for a couple years.

883
00:43:35,228 --> 00:43:38,833
This one kind of this one kind of
fries me. This is a this is kind of a
little

884
00:43:38,916 --> 00:43:43,371
hot topic for me, because this should
have been dealt with and we could
have

885
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:44,287
saved the heck of a lot of money.

886
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:47,368
Just like you pre-buy propane, we
could have pre-bought our diesel fuel
from

887
00:43:47,451 --> 00:43:49,054
diesel dogs or somebody.

888
00:43:49,333 --> 00:43:51,315
for $4 a gallon.

889
00:43:51,594 --> 00:43:54,912
Figure that out on a thousand gallons
if it goes up to $8.

890
00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:56,553
Mhm.

891
00:43:56,636 --> 00:44:03,209
I don't know all the details that it
goes into doing this, but I know that

892
00:44:03,292 --> 00:44:04,125
Norm has it on radar and working on
it. So

893
00:44:04,208 --> 00:44:08,957
But it got nipped the first time and
by the by the state fire marshall and
didn't

894
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,963
follow up.

895
00:44:10,046 --> 00:44:12,906
to make adjustments and adapt to get
it done.

896
00:44:13,464 --> 00:44:16,314
So it doesn't have to be an above
ground tank.

897
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:19,861
Um, Zimmerman has below ground tanks.

898
00:44:20,628 --> 00:44:26,683
for their for the Sherman County
behind their I do believe it's behind
their new

899
00:44:26,766 --> 00:44:27,599
building, their new fire station.

900
00:44:27,682 --> 00:44:33,290
So I talked to a couple guys at work
and they're in with the one guy's way
for for

901
00:44:33,373 --> 00:44:36,071
And they went to underground because
of the plastic tanks.

902
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:39,688
You don't have to deal with the a
very plastic tank though.

903
00:44:40,664 --> 00:44:42,229
So, remind me,

904
00:44:42,627 --> 00:44:44,876
This is something he's working on,
right?

905
00:44:44,959 --> 00:44:46,938
He's supposedly working on it?

906
00:44:47,021 --> 00:44:50,926
Well, he yeah, so he got into he
designed it and then the

907
00:44:51,009 --> 00:44:55,132
fire marshal at the state didn't care
for his design.

908
00:44:55,919 --> 00:44:59,944
Um, since then, he has not had the
time to commit to it.

909
00:45:00,044 --> 00:45:06,786
And so there's been some issues with
with with that with capacity of the
ability

910
00:45:06,869 --> 00:45:07,702
to move forward with the project.

911
00:45:07,785 --> 00:45:12,883
However now with the potential for
the yard waste site to move too,

912
00:45:12,966 --> 00:45:16,201
that could open up more opportunity
like Council member

913
00:45:16,284 --> 00:45:18,596
Steve just said.

914
00:45:18,974 --> 00:45:21,332
[laughter] What do you think if I was
to talk to Hannibal this today?

915
00:45:21,415 --> 00:45:23,983
[laughter] Today, actually. And I
didn't know it was, I was like, oh,

916
00:45:24,066 --> 00:45:26,494
Why does he got five years to get it
done?

917
00:45:26,577 --> 00:45:29,114
Yeah, why is he put this on, you
know,

918
00:45:29,197 --> 00:45:31,177
where, where does it go on his
priority list then?

919
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:34,275
Well, yeah, I mean, it is above and
beyond the everyday work that he's
doing.

920
00:45:34,358 --> 00:45:36,617
So that's again bringing that up is

921
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:37,895
[crowd]

922
00:45:38,135 --> 00:45:40,805
I do. Yeah. Okay.

923
00:45:40,974 --> 00:45:45,255
Um, lobby, network, legislative,
state, federal, emphases on

924
00:45:45,338 --> 00:45:51,413
wastewater treatment facility funding
and local zoning authority.

925
00:45:51,496 --> 00:45:53,266
We added local zoning authority.

926
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:54,552
You had this in your draft.

927
00:45:54,635 --> 00:45:56,534
[chatter] So, yep. Mhm.

928
00:45:56,617 --> 00:45:57,481
Sounds good.

929
00:45:57,564 --> 00:46:01,646
I mean, we're still fighting that,
you know, issue as it comes back

930
00:46:01,729 --> 00:46:05,223
to slap everybody in the face.

931
00:46:05,306 --> 00:46:06,299
Okay.

932
00:46:06,382 --> 00:46:10,583
Support implementation of the
five-year pavement management plan

933
00:46:10,666 --> 00:46:12,606
to maintain acceptable street surface
condition

934
00:46:12,689 --> 00:46:14,808
while extending pavement life cycle.

935
00:46:14,891 --> 00:46:16,153
Yeah. [chatter]

936
00:46:16,236 --> 00:46:17,817
doing it already.

937
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:19,770
Lane, that big thumbs down.

938
00:46:19,853 --> 00:46:23,091
So, Kensa thumbs down because we're
already doing it.

939
00:46:23,799 --> 00:46:27,651
Well, really, pretty much from here
to the end is the stuff

940
00:46:27,734 --> 00:46:30,003
that we hear every council me,

941
00:46:30,086 --> 00:46:31,896
I mean, Lane does a great job on that
stuff, so.

942
00:46:31,979 --> 00:46:35,068
your five-year at the workshop, I
think.

943
00:46:35,845 --> 00:46:37,755
So, leave it, leave it off.

944
00:46:37,838 --> 00:46:38,804
[crowd]

945
00:46:39,273 --> 00:46:42,770
Just keep, keep, keep, uh, keep calm
and press on, Lane?

946
00:46:42,939 --> 00:46:46,055
Pursue funding opportunities for
infrastructure improvements,

947
00:46:46,138 --> 00:46:48,795
providing safety and connectivity
improvements, which connect

948
00:46:48,878 --> 00:46:51,475
neighborhood schools, commercial
areas, parks,

949
00:46:51,558 --> 00:46:54,773
lighting, crosswalks, sidewalks,
trails, etc.

950
00:46:54,856 --> 00:46:58,181
Again, I think we do this
continuously.

951
00:46:58,264 --> 00:46:59,396
Same thing.

952
00:46:59,479 --> 00:47:04,431
Improve GIS and mapping database to
improve staff efficiency.

953
00:47:05,059 --> 00:47:07,101
I don't know about that one.

954
00:47:07,739 --> 00:47:12,190
This I can tell you is a special
project going on right now.

955
00:47:12,273 --> 00:47:16,006
Um, we need to update all of our GIS
and mapping and there's been work

956
00:47:16,089 --> 00:47:18,646
being put into it currently,

957
00:47:18,729 --> 00:47:21,346
but it needs to be completed within
this five-year plan.

958
00:47:21,429 --> 00:47:23,462
I would say towards the beginning.

959
00:47:23,751 --> 00:47:25,079
Thumbs up.

960
00:47:25,256 --> 00:47:26,269
All right.

961
00:47:26,352 --> 00:47:29,427
Update private development standards
for City of Big Lake 2013.

962
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:33,363
Absolutely, current public works and
engineering needs.

963
00:47:33,446 --> 00:47:34,774
[chatter] Yes.

964
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,123
I don't even know what that is.

965
00:47:36,206 --> 00:47:37,039
But okay.

966
00:47:37,122 --> 00:47:39,051
[chatter] Absolutely.

967
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,881
That would be a project.

968
00:47:40,964 --> 00:47:42,177
Yes. Yes.

969
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:44,658
Who's who's uh who's wheelhouse?

970
00:47:44,741 --> 00:47:46,295
Lane. Mhm.

971
00:47:46,659 --> 00:47:48,145
That's why. Sorry. Lane?

972
00:47:48,228 --> 00:47:52,529
What does that mean, private
development, update private
development standards?

973
00:47:52,612 --> 00:47:53,445
Okay.

974
00:47:53,528 --> 00:47:56,373
So it's so it's if give me an
example.

975
00:47:56,456 --> 00:48:00,678
It is a thick book of this thick,

976
00:48:00,761 --> 00:48:03,537
okay, and it's made up of
specification details

977
00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:06,108
and everything from procedure in
there.

978
00:48:06,191 --> 00:48:07,964
Yeah, we're for uh doing.

979
00:48:08,164 --> 00:48:10,288
So our code revision on the
engineering side.

980
00:48:10,371 --> 00:48:11,204
Okay.

981
00:48:11,287 --> 00:48:15,567
And then those two at the end of the
day have to talk to each other.

982
00:48:15,650 --> 00:48:16,692
All right.

983
00:48:16,775 --> 00:48:19,702
Thumbs up. It's three course done
that's

984
00:48:19,785 --> 00:48:22,950
How about work with Min not to
minimize access restrictions to US 10

985
00:48:23,033 --> 00:48:27,367
and Minnesota 25 during upcoming
construction projects?

986
00:48:29,081 --> 00:48:31,399
Aren't you going to be involved?
Yeah, I think.

987
00:48:31,482 --> 00:48:32,357
Well, but this is

988
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,551
This has gone beyond me now.

989
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:37,258
This is one is this this does this
have to do with what we sat in

990
00:48:37,341 --> 00:48:38,932
with Mindot?

991
00:48:39,015 --> 00:48:41,881
So it's basically fighting Mindot and
making sure that our wishes

992
00:48:41,964 --> 00:48:45,720
are known.

993
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,354
Because they want to, they want to
tend that their design would make it

994
00:48:49,437 --> 00:48:52,552
difficult if you're going

995
00:48:52,635 --> 00:48:59,333
coming west to get to a business on
the other side or vice versa.

996
00:48:59,416 --> 00:49:00,249
We don't want that.

997
00:49:00,332 --> 00:49:04,744
[chatter] a strategic plan to say,
hey, we want to work with you.

998
00:49:05,332 --> 00:49:07,411
They want to put J turns at, they
want to put J turns in

999
00:49:07,494 --> 00:49:09,165
and shut some of the entrances off.

1000
00:49:09,248 --> 00:49:10,081
Yeah.

1001
00:49:10,164 --> 00:49:12,628
I said, that's exactly what they did
to highway 52.

1002
00:49:12,711 --> 00:49:14,282
I said that at the meeting.

1003
00:49:14,365 --> 00:49:15,697
I I see it when I try running.

1004
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:18,906
So they want to put a J turn in, so
if there's a semi that has to go

1005
00:49:18,989 --> 00:49:22,911
coming west, needs to go to the south
side, it's got to make a U-turn.

1006
00:49:22,994 --> 00:49:25,352
a semi.

1007
00:49:25,435 --> 00:49:31,819
Every day, all day. Highway 62,
Highway Highway 61, Highway 52.

1008
00:49:31,902 --> 00:49:33,373
And then you're going into the sun.

1009
00:49:33,456 --> 00:49:37,329
And you're going to come up on a semi
that has to go from zero to.

1010
00:49:37,412 --> 00:49:38,873
Should be happy that I can put a
fairly buffer.

1011
00:49:38,956 --> 00:49:41,703
Over off of 212, there's one on a
dang hill.

1012
00:49:41,786 --> 00:49:42,898
Right at the bottom of the hill.

1013
00:49:42,981 --> 00:49:46,356
when you say this is out of behind
you, what what does that mean?

1014
00:49:46,439 --> 00:49:51,796
Does that mean we're bring people in,
we have to hire additional?

1015
00:49:51,879 --> 00:49:53,679
We're bringing a chicken to a dog
fight or what are we doing?

1016
00:49:53,762 --> 00:49:55,247
What are we, what are we doing?

1017
00:49:55,386 --> 00:49:59,259
Leadership needs to combine with with
the township

1018
00:49:59,342 --> 00:50:02,222
and speak in one voice.

1019
00:50:02,411 --> 00:50:06,486
And getting state state
representatives and state senators.

1020
00:50:06,661 --> 00:50:09,109
that's very important. This is a high
priority.

1021
00:50:09,192 --> 00:50:10,520
Yeah.

1022
00:50:10,727 --> 00:50:12,577
what those businesses, I mean,

1023
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:15,948
And I think it's going to be
dangerous on that stretch of road.

1024
00:50:16,286 --> 00:50:18,837
They put them, I mean, they put them
in everywhere. You're

1025
00:50:18,957 --> 00:50:24,952
I I you guys could fight this one,
but I'm telling you there's been big
communities that fight them and they
just

1026
00:50:25,035 --> 00:50:29,538
The fight with this one is they want
to do three quarter of the turns.

1027
00:50:29,648 --> 00:50:33,315
They do not want to allow if you're
going westbound,

1028
00:50:33,454 --> 00:50:35,746
there will be no turn. So.

1029
00:50:36,065 --> 00:50:39,539
You have to go down, do a U and come
back and then go in.

1030
00:50:39,622 --> 00:50:43,086
They're going to allow for going to
Eastbound towards Open River,

1031
00:50:43,169 --> 00:50:46,543
you can turn and go north and go into
100 industrial

1032
00:50:46,626 --> 00:50:50,399
Boulevard and 172nd. You can make
those turns.

1033
00:50:50,482 --> 00:50:54,176
But you cannot go across if you're
going towards

1034
00:50:54,259 --> 00:50:56,706
Elk River. So they're going to allow
from the east.

1035
00:50:56,789 --> 00:50:59,599
So they're they're calling them three
quarter J turns.

1036
00:50:59,778 --> 00:51:02,698
Instead of giving us the full J
turns.

1037
00:51:03,336 --> 00:51:04,408
going both ways.

1038
00:51:04,491 --> 00:51:07,826
Right. So you can turn and go north
and south rather than

1039
00:51:07,909 --> 00:51:09,550
always having to do the U.

1040
00:51:09,633 --> 00:51:11,735
What a bunch of baloney. Three
quarter.

1041
00:51:11,875 --> 00:51:16,056
Okay. So, okay. Um, let's move on to
um, ensure new

1042
00:51:16,139 --> 00:51:19,802
developments provide public
infrastructure which does not

1043
00:51:19,885 --> 00:51:23,482
provide undue cost for operations and
maintenance.

1044
00:51:25,904 --> 00:51:30,145
This means supporting that we do uh,
that we design make sure

1045
00:51:30,228 --> 00:51:36,183
that developers design projects that
uh don't impact public works

1046
00:51:36,266 --> 00:51:38,275
operations and maintenance
essentially.

1047
00:51:38,358 --> 00:51:40,079
In other words, developers there's
different engineers

1048
00:51:40,162 --> 00:51:44,005
they come in with different designs
and from their professional

1049
00:51:44,088 --> 00:51:47,014
expertise and experience they'll say
it's fine.

1050
00:51:47,097 --> 00:51:50,405
And I'll argue with them and we'll
butt heads.

1051
00:51:50,594 --> 00:51:53,982
And I what I what this is saying that
you support

1052
00:51:54,579 --> 00:51:59,349
uh my position, Dan, and Norm's
position to

1053
00:51:59,432 --> 00:52:03,115
but heads with them and say no, give
us what we need so we can

1054
00:52:03,198 --> 00:52:05,510
operate the city more efficiency.

1055
00:52:06,247 --> 00:52:08,858
with more efficiency and
effectiveness.

1056
00:52:13,321 --> 00:52:15,002
Um, I agree that needs to be done.

1057
00:52:15,085 --> 00:52:18,918
Again is that is that something
that's on with side plans and

1058
00:52:19,001 --> 00:52:24,677
general operations and smel. I hear
your voice, your opinion's

1059
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,523
quite often on this for the
protection of the city.

1060
00:52:28,606 --> 00:52:33,129
So and planning and zoning, we need
to get engineer comments.

1061
00:52:39,267 --> 00:52:42,495
Yeah. You guys saying you guys saying
you need more about that.

1062
00:52:44,050 --> 00:52:47,295
I I There again, it's one of those,
yes, absolutely

1063
00:52:47,378 --> 00:52:51,294
necessary, but not specifically in
the strategic plan.

1064
00:52:51,513 --> 00:52:54,592
What do you need from us to say, yes,
we support that.

1065
00:52:55,369 --> 00:52:57,727
Uh, well, if it's not in this, then
if it comes up or if you

1066
00:52:57,810 --> 00:53:00,875
get a phone call from a developer
because they will go around us

1067
00:53:00,958 --> 00:53:03,974
and make phone calls. They've done it
in the past, they'll continue

1068
00:53:04,057 --> 00:53:09,574
to do it in the future and they'll
have their story and need to

1069
00:53:09,657 --> 00:53:13,330
make sure that we're all on the same
page. We're doing what we

1070
00:53:13,413 --> 00:53:17,654
need to so that uh so there isn't
something special or unique out

1071
00:53:17,737 --> 00:53:20,972
there that maybe impacts no play
because once we get nine inches

1072
00:53:21,055 --> 00:53:24,530
of snow and everything is white and
there's something that's built

1073
00:53:24,613 --> 00:53:29,631
different than anywhere else in the
city, uh, you could hit something

1074
00:53:29,714 --> 00:53:32,501
and the weight came back, go back
into the truck and we're done

1075
00:53:32,584 --> 00:53:37,167
for the year with that truck. We may
have a 100,000 repair.

1076
00:53:43,075 --> 00:53:47,220
doesn't sound like it's a strategic
plan thing.

1077
00:53:47,838 --> 00:53:50,077
It's a policy. Policy.

1078
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,451
Policy, yeah, it's

1079
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,982
Agreed. Like I said, I still think
you have your submitting

1080
00:53:57,065 --> 00:54:01,704
their engineer comments on what what
should be done when it comes

1081
00:54:01,787 --> 00:54:04,747
to planning and zoning and

1082
00:54:07,885 --> 00:54:11,469
It does it has to be written
somewhere that they'll be able

1083
00:54:11,552 --> 00:54:15,876
to see it, read it and say, this is
the way it is.

1084
00:54:15,976 --> 00:54:19,051
Well, what happens is they come up
with something that's not on

1085
00:54:19,134 --> 00:54:22,419
our radar, something that's unique.
And something that we

1086
00:54:22,502 --> 00:54:26,913
don't want, that we don't want to
support. For example,

1087
00:54:26,996 --> 00:54:29,666
Inside drops on the sanitary man
hole.

1088
00:54:29,826 --> 00:54:33,788
We in six years ago, we allowed a
second one in a man hole said

1089
00:54:33,871 --> 00:54:36,292
a development put in place.

1090
00:54:37,139 --> 00:54:39,716
And now we have, I mean,

1091
00:54:39,799 --> 00:54:43,005
Do you like going to the man hole
where by North star? Is the guy

1092
00:54:43,088 --> 00:54:45,675
dealing with it, we can damage it
because when the holes goes

1093
00:54:45,758 --> 00:54:48,963
down with our our jetting equipment,
the holes moves

1094
00:54:49,046 --> 00:54:51,324
around and there's two inside drops
and what used to have a

1095
00:54:51,407 --> 00:54:55,592
man hole 48 48 inches in diameter,
now is very small.

1096
00:54:55,722 --> 00:54:57,910
So, that's that's where the problem
comes. Some you need

1097
00:54:57,993 --> 00:55:00,790
who to thought that they'd come in
with requesting that.

1098
00:55:00,873 --> 00:55:04,247
I think we understand the problem, we
understand it.

1099
00:55:04,330 --> 00:55:05,666
This is a question of

1100
00:55:06,896 --> 00:55:09,135
Yeah, I like I say, I don't think it
belongs in the strategic plan.

1101
00:55:09,218 --> 00:55:13,050
I think we get that information
organically as we go.

1102
00:55:13,133 --> 00:55:15,704
we understand, we're going to side
with you.

1103
00:55:16,314 --> 00:55:18,476
Yeah. 100% of the time probably.

1104
00:55:18,974 --> 00:55:20,256
based on what you just told us.

1105
00:55:20,339 --> 00:55:21,532
100% probably.

1106
00:55:21,615 --> 00:55:24,713
Well, we're never going to I'm not
going to guarantee anything.

1107
00:55:25,272 --> 00:55:26,514
Well, and and you're not going to get
that.

1108
00:55:26,597 --> 00:55:30,341
This isn't a strategic plan. I don't
think progressive developers

1109
00:55:30,424 --> 00:55:32,974
coming to reach out to us.

1110
00:55:33,383 --> 00:55:37,129
As well as what you just described,
you can say, hey, this is a

1111
00:55:37,212 --> 00:55:42,048
a new idea, and I don't think it's
good because of such and such and
such.

1112
00:55:42,131 --> 00:55:46,226
And then you're a little smarter than
us to amend those issues.

1113
00:55:46,625 --> 00:55:48,857
And we're going to say okay, we'll
listen to you.

1114
00:55:49,255 --> 00:55:50,979
I think you gave you credit there.

1115
00:55:51,148 --> 00:55:52,361
Back door wise, but

1116
00:55:52,444 --> 00:55:53,789
Just a little I said.

1117
00:55:54,108 --> 00:55:57,193
It was kind of a compliment, kind of
a kick to the teeth.

1118
00:55:57,276 --> 00:55:58,604
You got it. I don't.

1119
00:55:59,388 --> 00:56:03,241
Examine all public street and utility
projects for cost savings measures

1120
00:56:03,324 --> 00:56:04,955
applicable to construction.

1121
00:56:05,038 --> 00:56:06,881
And its operation.

1122
00:56:06,981 --> 00:56:11,302
Again, I think you're doing an
amazing job on this on a weekly
basis.

1123
00:56:11,385 --> 00:56:14,361
Continue proactive and time relevant
communication with residents and

1124
00:56:14,444 --> 00:56:17,450
public regarding construction
projects.

1125
00:56:17,533 --> 00:56:19,874
That you're doing.

1126
00:56:20,352 --> 00:56:22,621
Did you just put this on in to get
the ad void or what?

1127
00:56:22,704 --> 00:56:26,397
Recognize the financial impacts of
preserving existing infrastructure,

1128
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,991
participating in state and county
projects and expanding

1129
00:56:28,074 --> 00:56:31,870
infrastructure due to growth.

1130
00:56:33,734 --> 00:56:35,129
You do a great job.

1131
00:56:36,484 --> 00:56:39,981
So comments right now then.

1132
00:56:40,399 --> 00:56:41,885
Yeah, Lane can't go to any more of
these meetings.

1133
00:56:41,968 --> 00:56:43,438
He sucks up at the end.

1134
00:56:43,707 --> 00:56:46,159
I didn't put it in.

1135
00:56:46,657 --> 00:56:48,480
But I did give her a top ten.

1136
00:56:49,367 --> 00:56:50,350
Good golly.

1137
00:56:50,433 --> 00:56:54,169
So I've got one one thing I wanted to
bring.

1138
00:56:59,470 --> 00:57:01,553
Um, the

1139
00:57:02,260 --> 00:57:08,976
just the the um, back to the money,
um, and taxes and so on.

1140
00:57:11,277 --> 00:57:14,396
I don't know if it belongs on the
strategic plan.

1141
00:57:15,343 --> 00:57:17,614
But probably not.

1142
00:57:18,003 --> 00:57:22,354
But I'd like to see like our net tax,
our city tax rate,

1143
00:57:22,437 --> 00:57:25,712
which is going to be 43% this year.

1144
00:57:25,795 --> 00:57:30,109
It was 38 like last year or two years
ago.

1145
00:57:30,328 --> 00:57:33,822
It has gone up because of the, which
we've seen because of the

1146
00:57:33,905 --> 00:57:38,146
new building, um, and LGA

1147
00:57:38,229 --> 00:57:42,693
that is being cut by our wonderful
state government.

1148
00:57:43,421 --> 00:57:46,599
Um, but it's it

1149
00:57:47,008 --> 00:57:51,079
we I just want to I want us to keep
that in mind and have it as a goal.

1150
00:57:51,162 --> 00:57:53,820
Because I'm a believer that if you if
you aim at nothing,

1151
00:57:53,903 --> 00:57:56,164
you will hit it every time.

1152
00:57:56,643 --> 00:58:01,890
So I think we need to keep that in
mind that we don't want that to get
too high.

1153
00:58:01,973 --> 00:58:04,760
And it and and it's arbitrary right
now, but I mean if we

1154
00:58:04,843 --> 00:58:08,370
keep it at like 50% or it's going to
be higher than it was.

1155
00:58:08,779 --> 00:58:12,821
Because of paying for the building,
which I maintain and I think anybody

1156
00:58:12,904 --> 00:58:17,892
that is educated on what this
building is like, would agree that

1157
00:58:17,975 --> 00:58:22,648
we're doing a good thing by replacing
this building.

1158
00:58:23,535 --> 00:58:25,577
Um, and the police station.

1159
00:58:26,574 --> 00:58:30,626
So it's going to go up for a time,
probably maybe even a couple decades,

1160
00:58:30,709 --> 00:58:33,864
it might be a little higher than but
and eventually probably will

1161
00:58:33,947 --> 00:58:37,531
come back down in my opinion, maybe
into the 30s again.

1162
00:58:37,614 --> 00:58:42,984
But I just think it's a good thing to
have a target that says

1163
00:58:43,353 --> 00:58:46,777
we're not going to let it get up in
that 60, 65,

1164
00:58:46,860 --> 00:58:53,466
or we're going to work to keep it I
would say around that 50% mark.

1165
00:58:53,665 --> 00:58:58,478
So I like I said, I don't I don't
know if that belongs in a strategic
plan.

1166
00:59:00,032 --> 00:59:02,002
It's unrealistic because you don't
know what's going to happen.

1167
00:59:02,085 --> 00:59:04,702
You're putting something in there
that's not a realistic number

1168
00:59:04,785 --> 00:59:06,113
because you don't know what's going
to happen.

1169
00:59:06,409 --> 00:59:09,256
Nobody knew we're going to vote $48
million on a waste water treatment.

1170
00:59:09,339 --> 00:59:14,291
Nobody knew we're going to waste $33
million on a public public safety
building.

1171
00:59:14,709 --> 00:59:17,529
Yeah, it's 4.4 million of it's
wasted.

1172
00:59:18,176 --> 00:59:19,731
No, that's not true.

1173
00:59:20,259 --> 00:59:21,724
You want to have that conversation?

1174
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,274
You borrow $1.6 million extra for
your first payment in 2027

1175
00:59:26,357 --> 00:59:33,331
And if you use Deb's financial number
at the interest, it creates $800,000
worth of interest that we got to pay.

1176
00:59:33,451 --> 00:59:36,221
So that's 2.4 right there.

1177
00:59:36,341 --> 00:59:39,795
And because the EDA went through the
EDA, we have to pay a higher interest
rate

1178
00:59:39,878 --> 00:59:44,009
per Deb's statement, that cost us $2
million in interest.

1179
00:59:44,092 --> 00:59:46,773
So that's $4.4 million on a project.

1180
00:59:47,211 --> 00:59:53,056
That using, and I'm not picking on
Deb, I'm not picking on Deb, but
those are words out of our financial
person's mouth.

1181
00:59:53,139 --> 00:59:54,860
Not anybody else. I didn't make them
up.

1182
00:59:54,943 --> 00:59:56,225
That was prior to the bonding.

1183
00:59:56,308 --> 01:00:01,197
In in reality, we got a a very good
deal on our sales.

1184
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,080
We're still paying more because we're
the EDA.

1185
01:00:04,613 --> 01:00:06,273
same rate as if we were to lose the
other five.

1186
01:00:06,356 --> 01:00:08,525
Yes, yes, it was like unbelievable.

1187
01:00:08,608 --> 01:00:10,279
You never said that. So that's the
point. Tammy told us.

1188
01:00:10,362 --> 01:00:13,607
I know for the numbers we had
beforehand, yes.

1189
01:00:13,690 --> 01:00:15,470
But the night of the sale.

1190
01:00:15,553 --> 01:00:16,855
always turns into worst case
scenarios.

1191
01:00:16,938 --> 01:00:20,259
However, But we still brought 1.6
extra million dollars for

1192
01:00:20,342 --> 01:00:23,730
the first payment in 2026. 2027,
sorry.

1193
01:00:23,813 --> 01:00:25,862
Correct. In 20, correct because we we

1194
01:00:25,945 --> 01:00:28,628
And then the interest of that at the
number you originally gave

1195
01:00:28,711 --> 01:00:31,890
create $800,000 of interest after 20
years. Anyway.

1196
01:00:31,973 --> 01:00:33,186
But that was 2.4.

1197
01:00:33,269 --> 01:00:34,501
What was you

1198
01:00:34,584 --> 01:00:36,002
Well, using

1199
01:00:36,085 --> 01:00:39,887
It's just a it's hard to it's hard to
put say 50% is you're

1200
01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:43,233
in there because you don't know
what's coming up.

1201
01:00:43,522 --> 01:00:45,965
You know, it's kind of like putting
and I I apologize,

1202
01:00:46,048 --> 01:00:48,709
my boss called me, so that's why I
had to step out.

1203
01:00:48,792 --> 01:00:52,525
The the freeze on borrowing except
for the waste water treatment.

1204
01:00:52,907 --> 01:00:56,128
It's that's tough because when you
put things like that in

1205
01:00:56,211 --> 01:00:58,995
there, I think it's tough because

1206
01:00:59,135 --> 01:01:01,088
what was that two years ago?

1207
01:01:01,337 --> 01:01:04,697
when we had that goofy winter where
everything went to

1208
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:07,587
Everything went bad in the roads
because of the temperatures and

1209
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:10,152
all that and we had extra roads to
do.

1210
01:01:10,235 --> 01:01:14,360
So you're never going to borrow for
for for that. It's tough because

1211
01:01:14,898 --> 01:01:18,547
if you get a bad winter, you're on
the hook, either you fix it

1212
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:21,899
or you you drive on crappy roads.

1213
01:01:21,982 --> 01:01:25,522
It was three I think three years ago
where we just killed Lane

1214
01:01:25,605 --> 01:01:27,631
with fiber.

1215
01:01:27,896 --> 01:01:29,491
Lane almost got killed with bad
roads.

1216
01:01:29,574 --> 01:01:30,431
That's because of the low interest.

1217
01:01:30,514 --> 01:01:33,208
Yeah, they're totally low interest
rates, but yeah.

1218
01:01:33,291 --> 01:01:35,303
So that was the freeze.

1219
01:01:35,782 --> 01:01:36,862
That's

1220
01:01:36,945 --> 01:01:37,778
So,

1221
01:01:37,861 --> 01:01:40,970
So could that be could that be put in
the finance policy since

1222
01:01:41,053 --> 01:01:44,756
we're reviewing that anyway that way
we'll actually be looking at

1223
01:01:44,839 --> 01:01:47,645
the numbers and we could have a
something in the financial

1224
01:01:47,728 --> 01:01:49,772
policy because

1225
01:01:49,855 --> 01:01:53,125
there again like Ken, I'm not pulling
numbers out of the air

1226
01:01:53,208 --> 01:01:56,368
saying 40, 50, 60%. I don't know.

1227
01:01:56,451 --> 01:02:00,299
But through that exercise at least
we'll be able to look at

1228
01:02:00,382 --> 01:02:05,680
anticipated numbers, come up with a
real realistic assumption, but

1229
01:02:05,763 --> 01:02:09,620
if it's in the financial policy then
it's reviewed every year also.

1230
01:02:09,703 --> 01:02:13,452
So if we do see a bad year roads

1231
01:02:13,535 --> 01:02:16,540
something something that's coming up
then we can address it

1232
01:02:16,623 --> 01:02:18,291
then with that.

1233
01:02:18,620 --> 01:02:21,526
That works for me and it to me it
just makes sense.

1234
01:02:21,609 --> 01:02:25,109
When, I mean, yes, our our residents
here, of course, we

1235
01:02:25,192 --> 01:02:28,102
all know this. I'm not telling you
anything you don't know.

1236
01:02:28,185 --> 01:02:31,785
But yes, they want a well run
community, but they also want

1237
01:02:31,868 --> 01:02:36,169
taxes that are which we do try to
make them really, uh, you

1238
01:02:36,252 --> 01:02:39,750
know, as low as as we can.

1239
01:02:39,833 --> 01:02:43,642
But I think if you keep it in mind,
it's just it's going to be

1240
01:02:43,725 --> 01:02:45,323
better.

1241
01:02:45,453 --> 01:02:46,532
If you have a goal.

1242
01:02:46,615 --> 01:02:49,521
I like what Ken said there and then
what you had started your

1243
01:02:49,604 --> 01:02:52,211
conversation off with, if you aim at
nothing, you'll hit it

1244
01:02:52,294 --> 01:02:53,622
every time.

1245
01:02:54,151 --> 01:02:55,968
So, I think it's good to have goals.

1246
01:02:56,051 --> 01:02:56,884
What is

1247
01:02:56,967 --> 01:02:59,262
And the credit goes to Deb on that.

1248
01:02:59,345 --> 01:03:00,966
I just said that by the way.

1249
01:03:01,049 --> 01:03:02,819
But

1250
01:03:02,902 --> 01:03:04,334
Oh, no.

1251
01:03:04,417 --> 01:03:08,060
no, I I thought you were Sorry, I
thought you were done. Go ahead.

1252
01:03:08,143 --> 01:03:08,976
Ken. Yes, sir.

1253
01:03:09,059 --> 01:03:12,456
So your question. So it says complete
comprehensive financial

1254
01:03:12,539 --> 01:03:17,535
analysis and needs of the parks
trails, what is that and tail?

1255
01:03:18,213 --> 01:03:19,465
because and I'm asking this this
said,

1256
01:03:19,548 --> 01:03:23,616
Yeah, I'll I'll take that one because
like um you and your

1257
01:03:23,699 --> 01:03:26,460
diesel tanks I've been talking about
this for a couple years.

1258
01:03:26,543 --> 01:03:30,192
is um you know, and you're the one
that actually kind of sparked

1259
01:03:30,275 --> 01:03:34,177
the idea when you realized that some
point the parks weren't

1260
01:03:34,260 --> 01:03:39,386
being funded in any way and so you
threw $100,000 at it.

1261
01:03:39,525 --> 01:03:40,837
Fantastic.

1262
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,255
Um however,

1263
01:03:43,242 --> 01:03:45,411
I'd like to know is that enough?

1264
01:03:45,494 --> 01:03:48,924
Is it going to the right places? What
what does our Parks and Trail

1265
01:03:49,007 --> 01:03:51,382
system actually cost to run?

1266
01:03:51,741 --> 01:03:54,767
And and the more we can get us
breaking that down the better.

1267
01:03:54,850 --> 01:03:57,736
I mean if one part, you know, and

1268
01:03:57,819 --> 01:04:00,410
it's a difficult exercise, I
understand.

1269
01:04:00,609 --> 01:04:03,870
But then you also place that with
usage and where the where the

1270
01:04:03,953 --> 01:04:07,556
people's priorities are within our
trail system and so you can

1271
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:09,931
allocate those funds correctly.

1272
01:04:10,274 --> 01:04:14,033
And it's all about proper use of
number one, making sure we have

1273
01:04:14,116 --> 01:04:17,819
the money to maintain the great
systems that we have, but number

1274
01:04:17,902 --> 01:04:21,904
two that those funds are putting are
going towards the ones that

1275
01:04:21,987 --> 01:04:25,292
are being used or wanted out in the
community.

1276
01:04:25,375 --> 01:04:30,401
So it's like no it's like any other
financial analysis.

1277
01:04:31,148 --> 01:04:35,355
Um like I say, 100 grand is great,
but I have no idea if that's

1278
01:04:35,438 --> 01:04:39,434
enough, half of what we need.

1279
01:04:39,517 --> 01:04:43,326
And I I think because we do have a
very extensive park system for

1280
01:04:43,409 --> 01:04:47,312
a town our size or a city our size
and we have a great trail

1281
01:04:47,395 --> 01:04:49,890
system.

1282
01:04:50,278 --> 01:04:53,888
And that's fantastic and uh but it's
it's expensive to maintain

1283
01:04:53,971 --> 01:04:56,761
unless we make sure we're funding
that.

1284
01:04:57,921 --> 01:05:01,162
So this is a concept of looking at.

1285
01:05:01,245 --> 01:05:02,739
So I have already. So the

1286
01:05:04,054 --> 01:05:08,236
a system of replacing parks is is

1287
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:10,737
I'm kind of against right now. No
offense.

1288
01:05:10,820 --> 01:05:13,719
We're spending over $900,000 on one
park.

1289
01:05:14,397 --> 01:05:19,236
And by the lake between the
playground equipment and skate park.

1290
01:05:19,319 --> 01:05:22,574
We're spending 900 grand on a park
that people

1291
01:05:22,657 --> 01:05:26,898
are coming to pay to use and people
have to pay to park and all that.

1292
01:05:26,981 --> 01:05:29,758
Versus the neighborhood parks where
actually the people who

1293
01:05:29,841 --> 01:05:33,458
live in our town generally go to
more.

1294
01:05:33,627 --> 01:05:36,234
That's what I have that's why I
brought this question up.

1295
01:05:36,317 --> 01:05:38,865
No offense. I've got no offense on
anything.

1296
01:05:38,948 --> 01:05:40,399
No, I mean, I was trying to explain
my

1297
01:05:40,482 --> 01:05:44,355
I'm just trying to bring it into the
financial realm

1298
01:05:44,438 --> 01:05:47,015
to make sure that they're funded
correctly,

1299
01:05:47,098 --> 01:05:50,466
funded and funded correctly and the
money's going in the same.

1300
01:05:51,861 --> 01:05:54,667
in the correct positions and it's a
big expense

1301
01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:57,656
and one that obviously has been
overlooked.

1302
01:05:57,739 --> 01:05:58,683
So.

1303
01:05:58,766 --> 01:06:00,387
Yeah, some playground equipment's
pretty darn old.

1304
01:06:00,470 --> 01:06:03,120
But for the most part it's in pretty
tough shape.

1305
01:06:03,688 --> 01:06:04,631
Okay.

1306
01:06:04,714 --> 01:06:06,524
I just asked because so it's like an
internal thing,

1307
01:06:06,607 --> 01:06:08,318
a staff internal thing?

1308
01:06:08,401 --> 01:06:09,344
No.

1309
01:06:09,427 --> 01:06:11,108
That was kind of my question to the
conference of five

1310
01:06:11,191 --> 01:06:14,246
was this something we're paying for
or is this like a staff?

1311
01:06:14,329 --> 01:06:16,687
No, because there's got to be a lot
of assumptions with this

1312
01:06:16,770 --> 01:06:18,295
and you have to realize that going
forward.

1313
01:06:18,378 --> 01:06:19,211
Okay, so.

1314
01:06:19,294 --> 01:06:20,975
That that's what I was trying to
hear. I'll just have to

1315
01:06:21,058 --> 01:06:22,968
make my own guesses and and go with
that,

1316
01:06:23,051 --> 01:06:24,183
but it's a lot better than what we
have.

1317
01:06:24,266 --> 01:06:27,205
Okay. Which is nothing. All right,
thanks.

1318
01:06:28,521 --> 01:06:31,835
So, the things that are up on the
screen right now,

1319
01:06:31,918 --> 01:06:33,848
This is, um, pulled for sure.

1320
01:06:33,931 --> 01:06:34,884
Okay.

1321
01:06:34,967 --> 01:06:38,501
Um, your draft that you guys came up
with on September 2nd.

1322
01:06:38,584 --> 01:06:43,732
So it's in addition to what we've
already gone through here with the
modified language and so on.

1323
01:06:43,815 --> 01:06:47,180
Yep, so some of the language is
modified, but then there's other
things that are

1324
01:06:47,263 --> 01:06:51,633
like on the one that you're seeing
right here, um, we didn't even talk
about today.

1325
01:06:51,716 --> 01:06:52,769
Okay.

1326
01:06:52,852 --> 01:06:54,443
Um, but you talked about it on a
second.

1327
01:06:54,526 --> 01:06:57,044
But we addressed the

1328
01:06:57,127 --> 01:07:02,049
having a goal of a target on text,
right?

1329
01:07:02,198 --> 01:07:03,142
Yeah.

1330
01:07:03,225 --> 01:07:06,988
But didn't we talk about the freeze
on borrowing and

1331
01:07:07,071 --> 01:07:10,688
We did not talk about it other than
what then can how it's covered.

1332
01:07:11,335 --> 01:07:18,021
Um, I get very nervous when you sit
here and arbitrarily put a freeze on
something because

1333
01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:22,113
quite honestly, if that need arises,
that's going to be unfrozen.

1334
01:07:22,196 --> 01:07:27,294
So basically what we're doing is
playing politics when we put a freeze
in place.

1335
01:07:27,377 --> 01:07:29,625
I don't know what that means,
politics, but

1336
01:07:29,708 --> 01:07:34,827
I think we're putting fancy words
into play where in reality,

1337
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:38,692
we have a very conservative staff
council, I mean, we

1338
01:07:38,775 --> 01:07:43,475
we look at every expenditure with a
critical eye already.

1339
01:07:43,558 --> 01:07:44,551
I'm thankful for that.

1340
01:07:44,634 --> 01:07:45,962
Yes.

1341
01:07:46,328 --> 01:07:50,749
And so putting a freeze in where we
don't know the unknowns and and being
realistic,

1342
01:07:50,832 --> 01:07:57,109
if an emergency came up where we had
to bond borrow or steal.

1343
01:07:58,305 --> 01:08:00,805
[laughter]
We're going to do it.

1344
01:08:01,094 --> 01:08:04,997
And again, this is something that
could be we already have it in the
finance policy,

1345
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:11,473
but you could finesse that section
that section that talked about what
you're willing to even bond for.

1346
01:08:11,556 --> 01:08:13,436
And the level. So I think you could.

1347
01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:17,651
So that would have more teeth if we
put it in the financial policy as to
at least the

1348
01:08:17,734 --> 01:08:22,414
top five criteria that we bond for.

1349
01:08:22,497 --> 01:08:23,739
Yes. The why do we borrow?

1350
01:08:23,822 --> 01:08:25,821
Yeah, that's what you're saying. Yes.

1351
01:08:25,904 --> 01:08:30,106
And then of course there's always
discretionary. We don't know what we
don't know,

1352
01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:31,481
but

1353
01:08:31,564 --> 01:08:34,868
um, it's pretty hard to take money
out of here as it is.

1354
01:08:34,951 --> 01:08:36,403
So.

1355
01:08:36,486 --> 01:08:38,565
I I I'm okay with that. Are you okay
with that?

1356
01:08:38,648 --> 01:08:39,751
With what?

1357
01:08:39,834 --> 01:08:41,823
Putting it into the financial plan?

1358
01:08:41,906 --> 01:08:43,234
Yeah, that's fine.

1359
01:08:43,441 --> 01:08:46,689
This could also go into the category
of we're already doing this.

1360
01:08:47,227 --> 01:08:51,398
But you're looking at your financial
policy every year anyway.

1361
01:08:51,481 --> 01:08:54,019
And something could change because
there is a debt limit in that finance
policy

1362
01:08:54,102 --> 01:08:56,849
and something could change where you
have to change that.

1363
01:08:56,932 --> 01:08:59,469
And what are the five reasons that we
borrow?

1364
01:08:59,552 --> 01:09:00,994
Why are there five?

1365
01:09:01,077 --> 01:09:04,780
No, well, like we do not borrow for
huge capital items, like a truck

1366
01:09:04,863 --> 01:09:10,977
or for operational costs. No, it is
only for a true long term.

1367
01:09:11,060 --> 01:09:14,163
My point was is that I don't know
what I'm on the financial.

1368
01:09:14,246 --> 01:09:15,079
Right.

1369
01:09:15,162 --> 01:09:19,230
And so I doubt anybody else could
answer that question. Hence the
exercise that we need

1370
01:09:19,313 --> 01:09:22,518
to learn what we're supposed to be
governing and that's part of why

1371
01:09:22,601 --> 01:09:25,508
you need to go through these
policies.

1372
01:09:25,591 --> 01:09:27,759
It's part it's tough to say the word
freeze.

1373
01:09:27,842 --> 01:09:30,918
Because Eagle Creek Road South.

1374
01:09:31,001 --> 01:09:34,236
We get one more bad winter, we drive
it on the dirt.

1375
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,504
I think it's going to pop like that
thing's going to like cold.

1376
01:09:37,587 --> 01:09:40,553
And if you say freeze, they're just
going to tell the taxpayers, well,
we're not going to borrow,

1377
01:09:40,636 --> 01:09:43,811
we're just going to sit on it and
wait.

1378
01:09:43,894 --> 01:09:45,086
That's not a road. Which road?

1379
01:09:45,169 --> 01:09:46,621
Eagle Creek Road South.

1380
01:09:46,704 --> 01:09:47,647
That thing's crapped.

1381
01:09:47,730 --> 01:09:48,607
I'm waiting on spider walk.

1382
01:09:48,690 --> 01:09:51,902
I would I would definitely drive on
the road. But that's another
discussion.

1383
01:09:51,985 --> 01:09:53,313
Right.

1384
01:09:53,489 --> 01:09:54,322
[laughter]

1385
01:09:54,555 --> 01:09:59,165
They they might not be happy if
they're paying $4,000 a year taxes
and driving on a dirt road.

1386
01:09:59,248 --> 01:10:00,577
Yeah.

1387
01:10:01,241 --> 01:10:02,549
So.

1388
01:10:02,632 --> 01:10:03,465
uh

1389
01:10:03,548 --> 01:10:07,012
next one, review and revise the City
Council's policies

1390
01:10:07,095 --> 01:10:09,543
with we talked about that one. Yep.
Yep. We already modified

1391
01:10:09,626 --> 01:10:12,256
the language there. Complete, uh
moving down to number four.

1392
01:10:12,774 --> 01:10:15,989
Complete a comprehensive financial
and needs.

1393
01:10:16,072 --> 01:10:20,098
We did that one. Complete a full
analysis of every city paid position.

1394
01:10:20,875 --> 01:10:23,552
Full analysis of every city paid
position.

1395
01:10:23,635 --> 01:10:26,006
What is that? Justification of
employment?

1396
01:10:26,465 --> 01:10:28,447
Would that be kind of, Anna?

1397
01:10:28,995 --> 01:10:30,746
Justification of employment.

1398
01:10:30,829 --> 01:10:32,283
Do we need them?

1399
01:10:33,419 --> 01:10:34,721
Um or the other way.

1400
01:10:34,804 --> 01:10:36,132
I mean it is.

1401
01:10:36,299 --> 01:10:39,119
Yeah, it's it's uh I mean that's uh

1402
01:10:39,965 --> 01:10:44,665
you know, six or seven words that
creates a a lot of work.

1403
01:10:44,748 --> 01:10:51,401
But yeah, it is making sure that
everybody here is is needed

1404
01:10:51,484 --> 01:10:54,918
and used to their full potential, but
also could identify areas

1405
01:10:55,001 --> 01:11:00,687
that we are lacking, when we're start
talking about succession

1406
01:11:00,770 --> 01:11:03,899
planning and retirement and things
like that and take this in a global
view.

1407
01:11:04,118 --> 01:11:08,548
And you have to start with what's
here and that's the full analysis

1408
01:11:08,631 --> 01:11:12,308
of like you said. Yeah, it's making
sure production is meeting standards.

1409
01:11:12,577 --> 01:11:17,327
Um but are there areas that aren't
needed? Are there positions

1410
01:11:17,410 --> 01:11:23,046
that can be combined? Um what does
the next five year when

1411
01:11:23,129 --> 01:11:25,676
people start retiring, do we have um
succession plans in place uh to

1412
01:11:25,759 --> 01:11:30,339
we won't be disrupting city services
or expending

1413
01:11:30,422 --> 01:11:34,773
a lot of money bringing in um crisis
management to get

1414
01:11:34,856 --> 01:11:39,280
through that period if we start
thinking of that now.

1415
01:11:39,898 --> 01:11:46,873
We can at least uh hope to pull off a
uh seamless transition.

1416
01:11:47,122 --> 01:11:50,337
Which is a lot cheaper than crisis
management.

1417
01:11:50,420 --> 01:11:51,911
So I like the succession and all
that.

1418
01:11:51,994 --> 01:11:54,445
Is this is this uh internal?

1419
01:11:54,744 --> 01:11:56,066
Yes.

1420
01:11:56,149 --> 01:12:00,470
Okay. This is not hiring some
organization to come in and

1421
01:12:00,553 --> 01:12:01,915
tell us that we need to hire seven
positions.

1422
01:12:01,998 --> 01:12:03,950
We're going to work internally.

1423
01:12:04,489 --> 01:12:06,279
Develop a succession.

1424
01:12:06,362 --> 01:12:08,351
Personnel committee does that.

1425
01:12:08,434 --> 01:12:09,268
They've got.

1426
01:12:09,351 --> 01:12:11,340
[laughter] Yeah. Actually, personnel
committee will be involved.

1427
01:12:11,423 --> 01:12:12,256
Good.

1428
01:12:12,339 --> 01:12:14,142
All right, what's the next slide?

1429
01:12:14,601 --> 01:12:21,575
Um well, we can go back here. I do
want to address one thing. Minnesota
Avenue. Are you guys wanting to put
language into your strat plan
regarding Minnesota Avenue?

1430
01:12:22,233 --> 01:12:23,967
Uh most definitely.

1431
01:12:25,232 --> 01:12:26,544
Yep. Then I'll highlight that.

1432
01:12:26,627 --> 01:12:27,939
Okay.

1433
01:12:28,022 --> 01:12:29,314
But then going backwards.

1434
01:12:29,397 --> 01:12:31,974
Um how many more slides do we have?

1435
01:12:32,057 --> 01:12:33,718
So it's only five core functions.

1436
01:12:33,801 --> 01:12:37,368
So admin, then we'll jump up to
public safety and yep.

1437
01:12:37,966 --> 01:12:39,294
We went through all these?

1438
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,865
On the second, you did. So maybe just
review them quickly or.

1439
01:12:42,948 --> 01:12:45,638
Oversee the construction of the
public safety facility.

1440
01:12:46,067 --> 01:12:49,032
Oversee the redevelopment of the City
Hall old school building site.

1441
01:12:49,115 --> 01:12:50,950
Lobby network legislatively.

1442
01:12:51,033 --> 01:12:51,866
Yep.

1443
01:12:51,949 --> 01:12:54,746
Review and streamline joint powers
board agreements. We did not

1444
01:12:54,829 --> 01:12:56,031
talk about that one tonight. No.

1445
01:12:56,114 --> 01:12:57,536
But on the second, said, okay.

1446
01:12:57,619 --> 01:12:59,050
So review and streamline joint.

1447
01:12:59,133 --> 01:13:01,036
I I think that's a good idea.

1448
01:13:03,378 --> 01:13:04,706
Oh, okay.

1449
01:13:04,992 --> 01:13:08,110
Oh, develop a plan for a potential
redistricting.

1450
01:13:09,306 --> 01:13:10,489
Okay.

1451
01:13:10,572 --> 01:13:11,900
Okay.

1452
01:13:13,431 --> 01:13:16,826
Promote reduction of emergency
response time.

1453
01:13:16,909 --> 01:13:18,081
Where are we like?

1454
01:13:18,164 --> 01:13:19,845
This was Minnesota Ave.

1455
01:13:19,928 --> 01:13:21,409
That's for Minnesota Ave.

1456
01:13:21,492 --> 01:13:22,820
Yeah.

1457
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:26,102
Yeah.

1458
01:13:26,185 --> 01:13:27,513
Can we?

1459
01:13:29,712 --> 01:13:31,040
No.

1460
01:13:31,685 --> 01:13:32,722
No.

1461
01:13:32,805 --> 01:13:33,638
Okay.

1462
01:13:33,721 --> 01:13:38,839
We got to core function four, which
is infrastructure and utilities.

1463
01:13:38,922 --> 01:13:40,084
Are we going to be there?

1464
01:13:40,167 --> 01:13:46,441
Prepare the groundwork for the
wastewater treatment facility and
design a financially planned for
potential relocation of the yard
waste site.

1465
01:13:46,524 --> 01:13:47,939
So we talked about that.

1466
01:13:48,268 --> 01:13:50,994
And then the last one, core function
land use and development.

1467
01:13:51,077 --> 01:13:54,714
Complete and codify the code revision
project.

1468
01:13:55,501 --> 01:13:57,162
We modified the language with that.

1469
01:13:57,245 --> 01:13:58,119
Okay. Yep.

1470
01:13:58,202 --> 01:14:01,868
Internally review and revise the
comprehensive plan.

1471
01:14:02,885 --> 01:14:04,499
I guess that's internal.

1472
01:14:04,847 --> 01:14:07,415
Complete a full assessment of all
city and owned property

1473
01:14:07,498 --> 01:14:09,876
with a recommendation following.

1474
01:14:09,959 --> 01:14:12,666
Retain, redevelop, hold, sell.

1475
01:14:12,749 --> 01:14:15,309
For that one, can we figure out what
we own?

1476
01:14:15,798 --> 01:14:16,691
We're going to do.

1477
01:14:16,774 --> 01:14:18,724
You guys laugh.

1478
01:14:18,807 --> 01:14:20,587
They they I agree with you.

1479
01:14:20,670 --> 01:14:24,961
This is still the discussion on why
we're not selling that piece of
property.

1480
01:14:25,044 --> 01:14:27,243
I'm laughing because I agree with
you.

1481
01:14:27,326 --> 01:14:28,751
Part of the assessment.

1482
01:14:29,807 --> 01:14:31,135
Okay.

1483
01:14:31,959 --> 01:14:32,902
Uh, what's next?

1484
01:14:32,985 --> 01:14:33,909
Is that it?

1485
01:14:33,992 --> 01:14:35,911
I guess next would be

1486
01:14:35,994 --> 01:14:36,918
Is there anything else?

1487
01:14:37,001 --> 01:14:37,934
Happier?

1488
01:14:38,017 --> 01:14:39,170
Five.

1489
01:14:39,253 --> 01:14:42,398
Are there any other things that you
guys would like

1490
01:14:42,481 --> 01:14:44,653
to talk about? We're not tonight for
me.

1491
01:14:44,842 --> 01:14:49,542
But I guess we leave the discussion
open yet for another month.

1492
01:14:49,625 --> 01:14:56,600
We can bring um a new based on today,
I think we got good notes. Um we'll
take uh another draft back here when
Gina and I find time within a
workshop.

1493
01:15:01,529 --> 01:15:03,792
Um, and just continue discussion.

1494
01:15:03,875 --> 01:15:05,203
Okay.

1495
01:15:05,482 --> 01:15:06,315
Yeah.

1496
01:15:06,398 --> 01:15:09,108
Does anybody have anything under
other?

1497
01:15:10,204 --> 01:15:11,576
Looking for a motion to adjourn,

1498
01:15:11,659 --> 01:15:13,751
that made by Cfield, seconded by
Nodding.

1499
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:15,810
At least he turned it off.

1500
01:15:15,893 --> 01:15:17,280
All the same sign, motion carries.