[0:01] [throat clear] All right, let's call
to order the September 16th,
[0:04] 2026 Big Lake City Council Workshop.
[0:07] Let the record reflect that all
council members are present.
[0:13] Before us is our agenda. Looking for
a motion to approve that.
[0:16] So moved. second. So moved by Phil
and seconded by Naughty.
[0:21] All in favor say I. I. I.
[0:23] Oppose same sign.
[0:25] Motion carries. We have an agenda.
[0:28] All right, moving on to four uh, 4A,
[0:30] 2027 Street Project update.
[0:34] Lane, the floor is yours.
[0:37] Good evening, Mayor and council
members.
[0:45] So, there's two areas that we're
considering for next year.
[0:47] One is Lake Shore Drive and Hiawatha
Avenue,
[0:49] which is a mill and overlay, concrete
repairs.
[0:52] The other is continuing the extension
of Minnesota Avenue,
[0:55] that'd be phase two next year, going
across the field to the
[0:59] from the west and we're pursuing a
grant to fill a gap.
[1:06] Uh, but tonight I'm going to focus on
Lake Shore Drive
[1:08] and Hiawatha Avenue.
[1:11] Uh, pavement's in poor condition,
it's about 2.2 miles long.
[1:15] Uh, the work looks to include
milling, paving, curb
[1:16] and sidewalk replacement.
[1:19] Uh, we will need to do a seawall
repair on the north
[1:21] end of that. Uh, it's about 80 ft
long of seawall
[1:23] retaining wall next to the lake.
[1:29] We are investigating.
[1:30] We held eight open houses over the
past two weeks
[1:33] and there's general support from the
residents for that.
[1:38] 27 people attended and they
represented 18 properties.
[1:42] I explained the project work and the
assessments.
[1:44] Uh, besides being supportive, uh,
[1:46] some of them had assessment questions
and access concerns.
[1:50] Uh, a couple of people also did
mention at the meetings that
[1:54] although the residents on the Lake
Shore and Hiawatha
[1:56] are being assessed,
[1:59] they thought that for the stub
streets, they should also be
[2:02] paying for Lake Shore Drive too in
Hiawatha because it's
[2:05] the only access.
[2:08] However, we do have other streets
where cul-de-sacs tie in
[2:11] and there's only one road to get in
and out.
[2:14] And our policy is to share the cost
60-40, citywide
[2:18] and we've been consistent since the
late 90s doing that.
[2:22] Everyone gets their turn and uh,
regardless if they live on a stub
[2:25] street or cul-de-sac
[2:28] or not or or on a through street.
[2:31] Hey, one quick question on that.
[2:32] So the people that live on the, you
know, so many else we said that,
[2:36] Somebody that lives on one of the
stub streets
[2:37] but has a, uh, a spot where they can
put their dock.
[2:43] Does that person get assessed because
they have
[2:45] the dock right there?
[2:46] Property on Lake Shore Drive or
Hiawatha, if they're on the lake,
[2:49] they get assessed.
[2:51] If they happen to live back on a stub
street,
[2:54] then they pay for their portion.
[2:57] Or if they live across the street,
they pay on both sides.
[3:00] Okay, so then the question.
[3:01] So like, and I don't know, so you're
[3:04] So if you're on a corner lot,
[3:05] if you're on a corner lot, you pay
one side.
[3:07] If we went through and assessed them
on their street
[3:09] that's in front of their house,
[3:13] do they still get assessed the full
for the Lake Shore
[3:15] because they're separate
[3:18] or is that like the same as a corner
lot where
[3:20] if you got two pieces, you get
assessed on the largest one
[3:24] but not the shortest one?
[3:27] They get assessed on both.
[3:29] And the reason it's the same PID.
[3:30] However, on the lake side, because
the lake side's not
[3:32] buildable, but they can put docks now
and there,
[3:34] you know, the patio, they can improve
it.
[3:36] They pay at a 50% rate compared to.
[3:41] Compared to what? So it's half of the
house.
[3:43] So let's say they both have 80 ft on
both sides of the road.
[3:47] On their house side, they they pay
the normal rate.
[3:51] But on the other side, they pay half
of the rate.
[3:53] So the person who lives like, let's
say down Westler,
[3:56] no, on one of the side streets that
just got assessed
[3:58] for the road in front of their house,
[3:59] they would get that full assessment
[4:01] and then they would get the full
assessment on the
[4:04] lake access piece too
[4:06] if it's like 20 ft wide or whatever
it is.
[4:09] Half, right? Half,
[4:10] I think I know, I think I know what
you mean.
[4:13] Uh, so let's say they live down
Westwood, five houses down. Yep.
[4:17] Three years ago, Westwood was
constructed and they had
[4:19] and on Westwood they had 80 ft,
[4:21] they paid for 80 ft at that time.
[4:24] Now we moved down the timeline three
years
[4:28] and now Lake Shore is getting it, but
they have a lake lot.
[4:30] Maybe they have 40 ft.
[4:33] So it only applies to the lake lot
for this project.
[4:36] But even though their property is
located over there,
[4:39] you know, the assessment gets mailed
to them,
[4:43] but it's for the property that's on
the lake.
[4:45] So they will. Okay. That was the
question.
[4:46] No, the question. No, the question,
the question.
[4:48] I use the corner for an example
because that was the only one
[4:50] I could think of that was that way.
[4:52] So that's why I was asking.
[4:54] So, so they will still get assessed
on the lake one
[4:56] because they're a part. Yep. And
that.
[4:59] expensive. It's 50%
[5:01] Great.
[5:03] And right now the estimate of the
[5:05] what we've the information that we've
[5:08] shared at a very high level is uh
that the assessment rate is about
[5:11] $30 a foot on the hall side, that
means on the other side it'll be $15
a foot.
[5:16] Again, I have contingencies built in.
[5:18] We don't know exactly where oil's
going right now
[5:20] and that has a big impact on asphalt
and diesel.
[5:24] Um, but we'll see when we do the
engineering report how everything
[5:28] shakes out, but right now we just let
the residents know it's 30
[5:30] at a high level.
[5:34] All right, I'll just continue on
here.
[5:36] Uh, here's a map just showing the
area.
[5:39] Um, where how Lakeshore Drive wraps
around the west side,
[5:42] and Hiawatha's on the north side of
the lakes.
[5:47] Here's a picture of near Lakeside
Park.
[5:50] Uh, I picked this picture to share
with Council because there's a couple
[5:54] things going on here.
[5:55] One, we have a street that's um, in
mean in poor shape.
[5:58] You can see Public Works has been out
there several times with a
[6:01] different colored patching material.
[6:04] But they've now had to put in um,
[6:09] it's a skim coat in the traffic lanes
[6:12] uh for this little segment right here
because it's deteriorated.
[6:17] If you notice on the other side of
the other side of the street, the far
side, the pavement
[6:20] looks like it's a good condition.
[6:22] Three years ago we did a one-inch
mill and overlay with a contractor.
[6:25] It came in, milled it, patched it,
and left.
[6:29] Uh, but the other side looked fine,
[6:30] but this is accelerated.
[6:32] Another thing to note is in front of
this person's driveway,
[6:35] they're going to have curb
replacement.
[6:36] You can see the curb is deteriorated
and it's gone
[6:38] in these big sections.
[6:40] Uh, we'll be replacing that curb.
[6:42] You see the curb on the other side
too.
[6:45] Yeah, it's from this from here going
to US 10.
[6:48] It's the curb's in tough shape.
[6:53] Here's a here's a sidewalk next to
the sea wall, which is in the
[6:55] Westwood area.
[6:59] The sidewalk's cracked and settled,
moved a little bit,
[7:01] so we're going to be replacing this
and on the north, or on the far end
[7:03] of this picture, you can see there's
some saw cutting there.
[7:07] That's where, uh, we're doing an
exploration to see what's going on
[7:10] and we're going to have to fix the
wall on that end.
[7:14] Estimated cost is about $950,000.
[7:18] paid by City CIP Fund 196 and our
state aid column.
[7:21] It'll mostly be paid by state aid,
however.
[7:25] Uh, most of all the work will be
eligible.
[7:29] Special assessments have been
estimated at a very high level
[7:32] of $30 per front foot for lots with a
house or a buildable lot.
[7:36] And on the opposite side, typically
we find that's where the lake lots
are,
[7:39] between the lake and the street, and
that is half the rate.
[7:43] Uh, previous mill and overlays have
been in the mid 20s
[7:47] recently. The seawall repair may be
expensive,
[7:50] however, we're going to, we really
were looking to minimize
[7:52] the shortest section.
[7:55] With that, I'm happy to receive
comment or answer questions.
[7:59] Thanks, Lane.
[8:00] A lot of that curb, is it just
cheaper to rip it out
[8:03] than pay so me to cut this piece out
and then 8 ft. put this piece out
[8:06] and cut this piece out.
[8:09] Labor intensive wise, it's very much
more, so
[8:13] is there like a 50/50, it's one or
the other, you pay for labor, you pay
[8:16] for concrete.
[8:17] I mean, is it just cheaper to have it
rip out so much of that it's just
[8:20] junk. Rip it out and replace it?
[8:22] Uh, Mr. Mayor and Council members,
[8:24] if you look at the overall cost of
replacing it all versus just doing
[8:27] small segments,
[8:30] it's going to be cheaper to do the
small segments.
[8:33] One of the reasons why is
[8:35] it costs more per foot when you do
the smaller segments rather than
[8:37] doing the longer segments.
[8:40] However, if we rip out all the curb
next to the sidewalk, we're going
[8:42] to lose the sidewalk,
[8:45] the majority of it,
[8:46] because that the foundation next to
the sidewalk will erode away,
[8:50] and the sidewalk might do this or it
might do it in the future.
[8:54] Uh, right now.
[8:55] So we want to keep the curb in place
to hold the sidewalk back and
[8:58] protect that.
[9:00] Um, the cost will probably just to
replace these short sections of curb
[9:06] will probably be in the neighborhood
of $60 a foot.
[9:09] If we were to do long stretches, we'd
probably get it down to $40
[9:12] a foot.
[9:14] But then we're we're replacing a lot
of the curb that's in fine condition.
[9:18] Well, I'm not saying all the. I'm not
saying tear out all the curb, but
[9:20] there are sections where it's like
crap, crap, crap, crap.
[9:23] And then you get kind of towards the
other end, and there's just a little
[9:25] piece here or a little piece there,
but
[9:28] is it more cost beneficial that that
first area is really bad?
[9:32] Is you get going.
[9:34] One of the things we can do is we can
we can bid it out in a way where
[9:37] there's two options for the
contractor to bid,
[9:39] where they'll do, we did this in
2004, down on Harrison.
[9:42] Two to three-foot sections will have
a cost per lineal foot, that one'll
[9:45] probably be high.
[9:48] But if we exceed that and we're doing
sections maybe greater than
[9:51] 6 feet, is what we or 8 feet, we do
long stretches,
[9:55] then they'd give us a different price
for that.
[9:58] because there's a cost in economy,
right, by doing longer sections.
[10:02] The other thing we want to avoid is
when we're replacing more curb, we're
[10:06] doing more restoration. We're getting
into people's yards, irrigation,
[10:11] possible landscaping. So by keeping
the small slivers, it's not gonna
[10:16] look the best, but it's gonna save us
quite a bit of money. There's a
[10:20] difference between maybe a 150,000
and 300,000.
[10:22] the worst part of the curb does seems
to be on the lakeside of it.
[10:26] When you go, when you go, when you go
pedaling your bike around there, the
[10:32] side on the lake, it seems to be the
side that sucks.
[10:32] the side that sucks.
[10:35] And, I mean, I'd like to see it where
it's where it's really bad,
[10:42] where we're gonna have a three-foot
piece and a good whole three foot and
[10:43] a good three-foot and a whole three
foot we're cutting up.
[10:44] I like to see it to pend it all to
where the really bad like it's every
[10:52] five feet,
[10:52] fix it replacing that and then like
you said, the other areas where it's
[10:56] like the one piece there but it's
only one, that's different.
[10:57] But it's only one, that's different.
[10:58] But some of it is just, and some of
them are really going to pitch your
[11:02] sh will be there. It's wide.
[11:03] already.
[11:05] Um,
[11:06] I mean,
[11:07] and you put new concrete next to old
concrete as it deteriorates the old
[11:14] concrete, now we're gonna new piece
and the new piece is just going to
[11:15] deteriorate. I don't know, I, I'd
like to see it where it's really bad
[11:18] bad and you don't wanna talk about
what you've been over there.
[11:20] I thought I, maybe I didn't explain
that, but that's what the plan would
[11:23] be if we have all these sections
where it's really opened up and we're
[11:28] saving very little between the
repairs then we just take it.
[11:29] repairs then we just take it.
[11:30] Okay.
[11:31] That's that's what you didn't say
that.
[11:32] that when we do that next to the
sidewalk it becomes problematic and
[11:36] and can run the costs up. Uh, Conry
Oppitts has been doing this for
decades
[11:39] where they do the slivers and it
doesn't look good.
[11:42] But we can also use a clear, a clear
curing compound instead of the bright
[11:48] white for this so it doesn't look
like a checker.
[11:50] I mean, it will stand out. Well, it's
gonna stand out, but it's what we did
last
[11:53] it will stand out. Well, it's gonna
stand out, but it's what we did last
[11:54] year, uh, up uh, north on the north
side of pineline drive.
[11:59] But when I do the engineering report,
I'll come back with information.
[12:02] We can dig into it deeper.
[12:04] Okay.
[12:05] Are we replacing any of the backside
sidewalks along there as well?
[12:10] The what?
[12:11] If the sidewalk, the square's like
cracked in the middle, are we
replacing
[12:15] any of that or? Yeah, we're gonna
have spot replacement of sidewalk
[12:19] throughout the
[12:20] throughout the 2.2 miles.
[12:22] So then when you do this project,
[12:24] this project, so next year project,
right?
[12:26] Yeah.
[12:27] is Hanna is it beneficial, we gotta
fix that piece by the lake.
[12:34] That piece by the lake is eventually
he's gonna take the Dame fence with
it.
[12:39] Is it is it better to would it be
better to would it be better to sit
on that piece and have em do the two
or two or three pieces that got to be
replaced over there at
[12:48] the same time?
[12:49] Mayor, he's talking about the
Esplanade.
[12:50] Um, so there is a crack on, on
Highway 10. on Highway 10. And it
shifted.
[12:56] on Highway 10. And it shifted.
[12:57] It's literally shifted and it's
holding it is the pole for the fence.
[13:01] Yeah.
[13:02] Norm has been in discussions with the
state on on this. Um, the DNR may
have to get involved as
[13:08] well but we'll have to shut down a
portion of Highway 10 in order to
yeah. So
[13:12] my question is is it is if we made it
to October
[13:14] and you're doing this next year, is
it
[13:18] financially cheaper to say, uh, if
we're gonna already gonna be over
doing
[13:22] gonna already gonna be over doing the
retaining wall and have to deal with
the
[13:26] DNR and the retaining wall, possibly.
[13:29] I, I don't know anything about that.
[13:30] I know but possibly.
[13:31] finding him to save money and ever.
Wait, till next year to do that one
you're saying?
[13:36] Well, I'm just saying if they got
both of 'em are gonna have to deal
with the DNR or
[13:40] Norm to fix that one over there and
Lane to fix the sidewalk and
retaining wall over
[13:44] there, is it is it going to be
cheaper to piggyback 'em?
[13:48] I'm not very happy though the one
over here is it is it fixed? I've
been on
[13:51] Norm pretty hard for this one but,
[13:52] is it financially better for us?
[13:55] I don't think we have the answers for
that right now for this conversation.
[14:00] Yeah. Yeah.
[14:01] Something to check into?
[14:03] We'd have to work with Norm because
he's been talking to the state about
this. So I, I know there's a timeline
that that they'll have to match up in
order to figure out if they can fix
that panel.
[14:13] Yeah. Or panels. Or panels. Maybe
they'd say it's not even going to
save us anything.
[14:18] That that could be the answer. Yep,
yep, absolutely.
[14:20] I just feel up to deal with the DNR
once. May as well.
[14:22] Yeah. Once they get a full, check it
up. Whatever.
[14:26] They're such friendly people.
[14:27] Okay, anything else, Lane?
[14:29] Okay. Anything else, any other
questions or comments for Lane?
[14:33] Okay, thank you.
[14:34] Oh, the only thing I wanted to add is
for next year, I would like to hold
open houses for Minnesota Avenue,
which is two property owners just for
that segment.
[14:42] Um, then to hold an open house one
evening and invite the Smith Trust
property for a presentation.
[14:49] Okay. So, if anyone had any concerns
with that,
[14:52] just get the ball rolling on it.
[14:55] Sounds fine to me.
[14:56] If you think it's a good idea.
[14:57] There's several hours away so if
there's an opportunity to kind of
coordinate with him,
[15:03] I want to be able to respond quick.
[15:06] Okay.
[15:07] Let's move on 4B, which is Big Lake
strategic plan
[15:10] discussion. Hannah, you kicking this
off?
[15:12] Yeah, I can kick it off.
[15:13] Um, so good evening everybody.
[15:14] This is a continuation of your
discussion from September 2nd.
[15:18] Um, and the only other item on
workshop this evening.
[15:21] Uh, so you have the memo in front of
you,
[15:24] uh, is what you have asked for for
[15:27] um more input from the management
team.
[15:30] The management team has provided you
[15:32] um some modified language to
consider,
[15:35] as well as uh some considerations
[15:38] for additional projects that are
above and beyond
[15:41] the normal work that we do everyday
service.
[15:44] Um, also included is a draft of the
outcome of
[15:48] September 2nd.
[15:50] I just want to remind you too, um,
prior to discussion that
[15:54] uh, the discussion is organized
around
[15:56] the five core functions of city
government,
[15:59] admin, finance, public safety,
infrastructure and
[16:01] utilities, land use and development.
[16:03] And again, please don't get um caught
up on where
[16:06] the projects lie within each of those
categories,
[16:11] uh, because the management team will
certainly
[16:12] take the information from your
discussions and
[16:15] organize it afterwards.
[16:17] Gina was nice enough to um prepare
some slides
[16:19] for you today.
[16:21] Um, so we have each core function
that I just listed,
[16:25] um, that I can go back and forth to,
however your
[16:27] discussion goes,
[16:29] and then we have the modified
language for you
[16:32] to consider as well as um additional
projects.
[16:35] So with that, I can take any
questions, but
[16:38] I'll just be listening and taking
notes.
[16:41] Does anybody have any questions for
Hannah right off the bat?
[16:46] Okay.
[16:47] All right.
[16:49] So, we all had a chance to read our
packets.
[16:51] Does anybody have anything they'd
like to say
[16:53] to start the discussion?
[16:58] I have a couple of things.
[17:01] Unless you want to go through these,
[17:03] does it make sense to go through them
one by one and
[17:05] give it the thumbs up or the thumbs
down?
[17:07] Uh, yeah, I think that's the only way
we really, really
[17:09] can with the list this long.
[17:12] Okay.
[17:13] One thing I was going to say about
this list,
[17:15] is that it's a great list. Thank you
everybody
[17:17] for your good work.
[17:20] Um, I would like to have something
that says what
[17:25] kind of putting a cost rating on it.
[17:30] Uh, some of the things on here don't
look like they're
[17:32] going to cost much of anything.
[17:34] Some might cost, might be
substantive.
[17:39] Um, even if it's like a rating of
one, two or three, or
[17:43] one, two, three, four, five.
[17:46] Heavy cost, almost no cost.
[17:50] Um, because I think that would help
to um,
[17:54] you know, ascertain whether we want
to whether we're
[17:57] going to put it in or not.
[18:02] Um, especially with you know,
[18:05] our LGA basically going away and so
on.
[18:07] So I think we need to be careful.
[18:10] But uh, like I said, a lot of it does
seem like it's
[18:13] going to be lower cost or maybe staff
time,
[18:16] which is a cost, but that type of
thing.
[18:22] But I would like to see that or even
if we
[18:25] do it as we go.
[18:31] But I'd like to see, I'd like to see
something on there,
[18:33] a rating of it, one, two, three, one,
two, three,
[18:35] four, five, whatever.
[18:37] So like under 50, under 150, under
three, over 500?
[18:42] Yeah, could do it like that.
[18:43] Yeah. I wasn't thinking of a even.
[18:45] Well, if we put it in there instead
of saying, well,
[18:47] look for a dollar amount, just
[18:49] the ones that are under 50,000 are
ones,
[18:52] anything from 50 to 150 is a two,
[18:55] and then anything over like 500,000
is a, oh, shaky.
[19:00] Any or whatever.
[19:01] So you know where you're at. Shaky.
[19:04] Oh, shaky.
[19:05] That's why shaky.
[19:07] That's when you coach little kids
football and you can't
[19:08] swear and you got to come up with
something because
[19:10] you're mad.
[19:12] Oh, shaky.
[19:13] Makes you feel better.
[19:14] Um, before we get into this list, in
the packet,
[19:15] there are also in this to consider
the following
[19:19] modified numbers.
[19:23] Yeah.
[19:24] Okay.
[19:25] And there's an additional um also
comment from Councilman
[19:28] Regarding, Minnesota. So don't forget
about that too.
[19:33] Okay.
[19:34] Well, let's look at um,
[19:36] So, can I just mention that this
doesn't have to be
[19:38] complete going to print today?
[19:43] No, it is.
[19:44] Um, you know, if we have to break it
down due to time where
[19:48] we go through the list, modify that,
and then do
[19:51] the cost rating
[19:54] because I we might be asking a lot
from staff at this point
[19:57] to say, well, is that 50 or or 100?
[20:02] right.
[20:03] you know what I mean that we may not
get the accuracy that we're
[20:06] Yeah. I wasn't looking at putting a
number on it tonight.
[20:09] Oh, okay. Even if we do have a number
though,
[20:13] We can still have it on the strategic
plan. Just have a
[20:16] right of what you think it costs.
[20:19] I mean, can I ask up
[20:22] Are we dealing with anything that's a
wish versus a necessity
[20:27] or a requirement on the list.
[20:31] This would be nice to have. No, this
is required to have.
[20:35] That kind of thing. Say as we go, we
can have that discussion.
[20:41] And costs is only one factor as to
the importance of
[20:44] giving us done.
[20:46] Sometimes your most expensive ones
are the most important ones
[20:49] you have done that are going to
[20:52] save efficiency and effectiveness and
play into life safety issues.
[20:58] Okay. So if we uh, let's just go
through them.
[21:02] We got we got an hour.
[21:05] Um, consider the following modified
language and conduct a
[21:08] comprehensive review of chapters 1
through 9 of the city code
[21:11] to ensure existing ordinances remain
legally compliant,
[21:13] operationally effective, consistent
with current City
[21:16] Council priorities and community
needs.
[21:19] That sounds fine.
[21:21] Yeah, I think this is a very
important one. This is one of
[21:24] the top of my list.
[21:25] And there was just some confusion
with where I was at the last
[21:28] meeting as to what the parameters
were of the code
[21:32] revision.
[21:34] And I was understanding it
incorrectly as to how
[21:37] far that went.
[21:40] And through discussions, uh, we got
that worked out.
[21:43] So this verbage is perfect for my
intent.
[21:48] Can we just go thumbs up or thumbs
down?
[21:51] I'm fine with it. Anybody got a
problem? Okay, thumbs up.
[21:54] Govern with integrity by maintaining
a robust finance
[21:57] and personnel policy framework
[22:00] that guarantees compliance with state
and federal laws while
[22:02] directly driving the council's key
initiatives.
[22:06] Thumbs up. Of course.
[22:08] Well, but this one here has to be
discussed just a little bit
[22:11] as what all this garbage in here says
is we're going to review our
[22:15] financial plan and our person our
financial policy, our our
[22:19] our uh personnel policy.
[22:23] Which that's that's the that's the Is
that what that guarantees?
[22:27] That's a that's a shorter shorter
term which is snaky.
[22:30] Yeah.
[22:31] Yep. But the reason is is that this
language has to be put in
[22:34] there for governmental purposes.
[22:39] What language? The language that I
just read? Yes. Okay.
[22:42] So we replaced what you just said.
[22:44] We do it yearly. Okay.
[22:46] We we have to do it yearly.
[22:47] But we're understanding.
[22:49] You're understanding. Yeah, we're
understanding revision as it is now
that it can be
[22:53] maintained, but we need to get
everybody up to speed.
[22:56] But I understand that's done yearly.
[22:59] But we need to really dig into it,
so.
[23:03] What does that actually mean?
[23:05] What will be happen?
[23:07] Review and revise the City Council's
policies within
[23:10] the financial policy.
[23:12] It's just your financial policies is
policies and procedures.
[23:15] Actually, these are not like codes,
these are your policies
[23:18] and procedures.
[23:20] So this is how your finances are ran
and the personnel is
[23:24] how your personnel is ran also.
[23:28] So there is always changes, there's
always changes with
[23:31] your guys's directive.
[23:33] You need to be reviewing these
because they are brought to you
[23:35] every year.
[23:37] You need to be making sure that the
um these policies which are
[23:39] our guidelines to proceed
[23:41] are what you guys want.
[23:44] As well as what legal says you can do
or cannot do
[23:47] and as well as what the state and Fed
says you have to do.
[23:51] So, are we doing that already? You
said
[23:54] Well, we're yes, we're maintaining
the legality of it
[23:56] every year.
[23:58] However, have we done a thorough
indepth as the council
[24:02] Right, look at it to see if the
policies that are not
[24:04] governed are what
[24:06] we're what we're intending.
[24:10] Okay. And that hasn't been done in a
long time.
[24:13] The financial end of it, I think will
be very quick.
[24:16] The personnel, we do have some
changes because of um the
[24:19] different laws that have come down
from the state that we need
[24:22] to
[24:24] Okay, look at. All right. So it's a
thumbs up then.
[24:27] Oversee the redevelopment of the City
Hall old school building
[24:30] site to attract a high quality
development project that
[24:33] maximizes the potential of one of the
community's most visible
[24:36] parcels, while increasing the city's
tax base and supporting
[24:39] long-term economic growth.
[24:41] Absolutely. Yeah.
[24:43] Thumbs up.
[24:43] What and why did that get so wordy?
[24:46] Is that a reason to or are we just
playing politics here?
[24:49] Um, there is going to be a potential,
I mean, well, there's
[24:52] a partnership with a developer and
there's going to be a lot
[24:55] of opportunity for also partnering
with the state on
[24:58] this project. So you
[25:01] need to have that language.
[25:02] I was going to say. Forget for
getting grants.
[25:05] public language for very public
purpose.
[25:09] And it needs to be pretty.
[25:13] There you go. I mean, simply stated.
[25:15] All right. Thumbs up, right?
[25:17] Yeah. Complete the wastewater
treatment facility final
[25:19] design process in preparation for a
successful 2029
[25:22] groundbreaking.
[25:23] if sufficient funding is not secured,
potentially phase the
[25:26] project to align construction with
available resources.
[25:32] Thumbs up.
[25:33] Mhm.
[25:34] Okay.
[25:35] Um, complete the public safety
facility project, transition
[25:38] City Hall and police department to
new facility.
[25:43] Okay.
[25:44] Um,
[25:46] Last one.
[25:47] Facilitate the relocation of the
current public works yard waste
[25:50] site to the wastewater treatment
facility site in coordination
[25:53] with the future wastewater treatment
facility expansion
[25:55] project, thereby improving site
safety and reducing risks.
[26:01] How much did we say that might cost?
Did somebody put a number
[26:04] on that?
[26:05] We don't know.
[26:06] investment.
[26:06] Okay.
[26:07] But it can be dovetailed in with the
the
[26:12] We're hoping so.
[26:13] the construction costs for the the
wastewater treatment
[26:15] facility too potentially.
[26:18] So, they will need to, uh, what we
believe, the contractor
[26:22] for the wastewater treatment facility
will need to
[26:25] construct a road to mobilize
equipment.
[26:28] And so what we're hoping is that this
could align with that,
[26:33] join forces, save money.
[26:35] So,
[26:36] Yeah.
[26:38] They would just Qatar that that spot
to over there.
[26:43] At the old wastewater treatment or at
the old public at the
[26:46] public works building.
[26:47] several years ago, like
[26:48] Oh, for the current compost?
[26:49] 10 years ago now?
[26:50] The 10 years.
[26:51] Yeah.
[26:52] It's been a while.
[26:56] All right, so,
[26:57] thumbs up on that one then.
[26:59] Okay.
[27:00] Then we move on to the staff
recommendations.
[27:03] Consider adding
[27:04] develop and implement comprehensive
cybersecurity
[27:08] policies and a business continuity
plan to protect
[27:11] city operations, data, and essential
[27:18] Thumbs up, thumbs down.
[27:22] So this is basically above and beyond
what your normal you'd
[27:26] be doing.
[27:28] This will be taking a lot of time.
[27:30] It's mostly spending time.
[27:33] Uh, but the LMC is working with us on
this, and and that, um,
[27:38] is not a cost where there I mean,
it's a service that they
[27:41] provide us.
[27:42] But it is a plan that we certainly
need to create and
[27:46] execute.
[27:47] We don't have a policy around this
right now.
[27:49] Okay, thumbs up then for me.
[27:52] Okay.
[27:54] As long as we get three of them.
[27:55] Update the emergency operations
policies and standard operating
[27:58] procedures.
[28:02] Thumbs up.
[28:04] Update the city's emergency response
plan for utility
[28:07] operations.
[28:08] Okay.
[28:09] Yeah.
[28:12] Advance the city's permitting
operations by transitioning
[28:15] all building permit applications and
review processes to an
[28:18] online platform, enhancing service
delivery and
[28:21] operational efficiency.
[28:24] What do you do if you, what do you do
if grandma comes in and
[28:27] she is not
[28:28] No, it's still be we're never going
to get rid of paper
[28:31] applications.
[28:32] Yeah.
[28:33] Okay, because I thought that says.
[28:34] Yeah.
[28:35] No.
[28:36] Uh, grandma's not going to be able to
do if you talk to her.
[28:38] It does say all building permit.
[28:40] I think it's
[28:41] It does say all.
[28:42] where your what we were originally
starting was just the over the
[28:45] counter permits is what we were going
to hope to go online, but
[28:49] this would be you could do uh, brand
new residential or a
[28:53] brand new commercial, that's what we
mean by all building
[28:55] type.
[28:57] Yeah.
[28:57] All permit type. Just all type.
[29:00] All type.
[29:01] Yep.
[29:01] So it's not confusing.
[29:04] All permit type.
[29:05] equip 100% of the city workforce with
the training
[29:08] tools and technical competencies
required to
[29:10] confidently and effectively navigate
modern municipal
[29:13] software, hardware platforms.
[29:15] Ooh, they're going to teach him the
computer?
[29:18] That would mean continue on the
trainings that we've been
[29:20] that we have started.
[29:23] So that, yes, we all know how to use
the computer.
[29:26] Okay. So, is there a
[29:29] There's a call for.
[29:31] Um,
[29:34] What what's the matrix of the
accomplishment then there?
[29:39] Well, we're not writing sticky notes
and hanging them on.
[29:42] But is it
[29:45] Is there a usage? I mean, is it 100%
integration into public
[29:51] works?
[29:54] Was that?
[29:56] It would be like, so currently we
have um, technology that
[30:00] for you see uh
[30:04] somebody were to see a sign
[30:06] or a tree down, they could actually
be Public Works could have their
laptop
[30:12] out in the field, do a service order
and it's all tracked.
[30:17] But so is the, you know, so when we
look back at this,
[30:22] is it that this is being implemented
to 90% or 100%?
[30:27] Yes. You're never going to get 100%.
[30:31] Because it would be U5 too.
[30:33] So you're never going to get
[30:34] [laughter]
Thanks. Thanks.
[30:38] I mean, Ken did kill his computer
here.
[30:41] Yes. Yes.
[30:43] It's said update. I don't know.
[30:45] 90% would be Yeah, unrealistic.
[30:47] But they're everything on there, we
have to have some kind of qualifier
[30:52] that, you know, so anything when I
hear continued to
[30:56] I I needed to know, okay, but what at
the end of continued?
[30:59] Well, you're going to always continue
to do this because you always have
[31:01] new staff.
[31:02] Well, let's keep comments on us.
[31:04] So I would say 90% is your goal. You
would want at least 90% to be
[31:10] able to
[31:11] Well, I'm okay with that if we do
something like that.
[31:14] Or even, you know, maybe you go 85,
but I would think 90.
[31:17] Whatever percentage you think is
obtainable.
[31:20] Okay. So they put equip 90 to 100%.
[31:23] Yeah, you got to leave a sweet of
life in there for somebody like me.
[31:25] Another equip and the the whole
workforce, but 90% compliance
[31:30] or usage.
[31:31] Because not everybody's going to get
it.
[31:35] Okay. Well, if it's a requirement of
the job, they would they they do.
[31:39] I mean, it doesn't have to be that
fuzzy.
[31:43] Complete a water, sewer, rain study.
[31:45] And that's basically to tell us if
we're in line with other communities.
[31:51] What we're charging? No, not with
other communities, that's based on
[31:56] what it costs um, for to process
clean or process the wastewater,
[32:02] as well as maintain our water
treatment if we're charging the
correct fee
[32:09] schedule.
[32:10] Not comparing us to anybody else,
just based on what our costs are
[32:14] is our fees actually truly correct.
[32:18] You should compare to other people.
That's where you get beat up.
[32:21] I know. Is that going to balance
itself out?
[32:23] Like uh, actually we're going to pay
off the this wastewater treatment
[32:28] plant.
[32:29] I mean, what whatever number they
give us, is it all going to zero out
so
[32:35] that we're actually recovering all
the expenses?
[32:36] That's what the goal is that you're
covering for your um, depreciation
[32:43] on the equipment for replacement
costs, your bond payment for the
expansion
[32:48] is what the goal is and still
maintaining a positive cash flow.
[32:53] What does it cost to do a study like
that, you know?
[32:56] 25 to 50,000.
[32:59] That could be a one.
[33:01] We were recommended, it was
recommended, it was recommended,
right? That about a year after the
[33:07] new meters were installed and and
active that that this is something
[33:12] the council should consider.
[33:16] You mean a one in terms of cost or
you mean a one in terms of, okay.
[33:20] for priority level. There you go.
[33:22] Or priority level, right?
[33:24] Do we set that one on the side for a
little bit?
[33:27] Sure. I will. I will.
[33:29] Sideways?
[33:31] [laughter]
Sideways.
[33:34] We need to be able to know eventually
if what
[33:38] is being charged is what's going to
cover the need
[33:43] or the correct. Yes.
[33:48] which I think is important.
[33:52] Is it a depreciated value of the
equipment set aside?
[33:55] Um, no, it has not been.
[33:57] So you're depreciating the value of a
piece of equipment, but you don't
[34:02] put that money anywhere to replace
that equipment.
[34:03] So you're depreciating that using
that mathematical equation,
[34:06] but you're not actually saving it on
the side to replace that piece of
[34:10] equipment.
[34:11] Correct. We're talking about
specifically wastewater or water
[34:15] treatment.
[34:16] Right. Because those are the only two
that actually truly do depreciation.
[34:23] I mean, we split it saying here's
what it should be,
[34:26] but no, we do not have 58 million
sitting in your wastewater treatment
[34:31] plant to
[34:32] That's the goal is that
[34:34] That's a tough one because you set
your you you set your rates on
depreciation
[34:38] value.
[34:39] No, we don't, we don't include that.
[34:41] It's figured in there, right?
Somewhere.
[34:43] It's in the expense that, but then
when we're actually calculating, we
[34:50] take out depreciation because that's
not a cash item.
[34:54] But the goal is that you would like
to at least have some money to
replace
[35:00] the small equipment.
[35:01] There's no way you're going to have
58 million sitting in the cap in your
[35:05] bank.
[35:06] replace uh wastewater treatment plant
[35:12] Okay, we'll set that one side.
[35:15] Um, complete what
[35:17] complete water system hydraulic
modeling.
[35:21] I I would like to say that this
bullet as well as the bullet
[35:27] underneath, now Dan, let me know if
I'm missing something.
[35:28] Um, but this is how I understand it.
[35:30] So in your draft, uh, something that
made it was
[35:34] a comprehensive analysis of the
Parks, Trails, Lakes system.
[35:40] That is basically the same thing for
utilities.
[35:44] What is the water system hydraulic
modeling and sewer system modeling?
[35:48] It's doing a comprehensive analysis
of our utilities.
[35:52] And this is that
[35:55] Yeah, that came. Yep, absolutely.
[35:58] Mhm.
[36:00] He grew up too much caffeine in her
system.
[36:02] [inaudible]
[36:06] There's multiple levels to modeling
that you go to say
[36:10] just fire flows, and then future
potential growth.
[36:15] And this it's not just, okay, here
it's not just, okay, here it's not
just uh oh, $30,000 gives us done.
[36:22] It's anywhere, it's all over the
board, depends on what we really
want.
[36:26] Dan, put it by your mouth.
[36:29] I don't know.
[36:32] Um, so what do we get out of that
then?
[36:34] It's protecting the city first,
[36:37] we want to get caught with their
pants down.
[36:39] You know, oh, we should have did this
before, you know.
[36:41] So if you don't do something, put 100
houses over here and we don't have
water.
[36:44] Right.
[36:45] If you do something like this, you
do, you get what happened at the
[36:47] grain elevator where you couldn't
flush the toilet or run your faucet
[36:51] at my house because they didn't know
that they didn't loop it.
[36:55] So when we hit that at the fire
department, there was no water
[36:57] on that side of town because we stole
it all.
[37:00] And then when we had the fire out
here, we did, we took every ounce
[37:03] you couldn't, you couldn't get your
plunger to stay up in your in your
[37:06] sink because there was no water on
that side of town because it wasn't
[37:09] looped. So that after that, some of
our fires we had issues with,
[37:12] that's when they started to come back
and really push in the looping of the
system.
[37:16] So what Dan's doing is trying to find
out where we have the flaw before we
have another one of these.
[37:21] Yeah.
[37:22] For that Acuraf fire outside of town,
we had the same deal, we
[37:25] were plugged into a hydrant that
created problems because it wasn't
[37:30] being fed by enough places.
[37:32] So,
[37:33] That's what I is that what you're
trying to going after, Dan?
[37:36] It's it's a safety deal because your
fire department at least you can tell
them, hey, this is a dead end.
[37:42] This has bad flow.
[37:44] You know, because then they'll know
if they have to relay pump if they'll
haul water or what.
[37:48] So, that's what I would take it as
for the safety side.
[37:51] It's also the same on the sewer side
of things because the pipes under the
ground can only take so much waste
water through them.
[37:58] You got 8-inch pipes, you get 12-inch
pipes, you get 12-inch pipes, 16-inch
pipes, they can only take so much
water.
[38:03] So are you saying that you you you
complete these modelings and then
[38:07] there's a whole bunch of work to fix
because we've discovered some issues?
[38:13] No, it just as we develop and grow,
it's a this is to say hey, okay, we
do
[38:19] uh, there's an interceptor line, I
know it doesn't make any sense to
[38:22] you, but there's a large pipe that
goes down 43 by port 3 and over
[38:26] to our main lift station.
[38:28] Well, back in 2004, this is I'm
speaking just wastewater, there
[38:33] was one pointed out that was put by
your club not far from you, and
[38:38] go through the fields there and over
to the main lift station and
[38:42] then on the east side of town, it
would take all the stress off the
[38:46] existing sewer system that is
currently in place.
[38:49] So as we develop, it's not adding all
this water through the pipes that
have been underground since 1980.
[38:55] I think it's I think it's important
to I mean, there's there's a lot
[38:59] of things that are in play here,
there's public safety, there's
[39:02] future planning, there's uh,
maintenance which can uh, save
[39:06] greatly down the road.
[39:09] There's a lot of reasons to um, to
have this information.
[39:14] I agree.
[39:15] Thumbs up.
[39:17] It's our responsibility to take care
of that stuff.
[39:22] Um, how about update programmable,
well, did we have three up three
thumbs up on that?
[39:27] Um, update programmable logic
controllers at the water and waste
water plants.
[39:34] We've been slowly working on this, I
mean this last cyber security
[39:38] thing kind of opened our eyes up that
we maybe we should go a little
quicker on this.
[39:44] Um, the wastewater one we're
obviously going to try to do with
[39:47] the project, but we've been working
on doing like the towers, the lift
[39:50] stations and the wells, which it
gives us prior parts when we get
[39:54] to the water plant.
[39:56] But um, yeah, there's they don't even
make this stuff that we have, they
don't even make anymore.
[40:01] It's just
[40:06] Not only do they not make them, you
can't update them because they
[40:09] don't support them anymore.
[40:10] This is like routine maintenance.
[40:12] Yeah. Okay.
[40:12] So, with that being said, is it
[40:15] it doesn't belong here if it's
routine maintenance?
[40:19] It's not it's not a requirement.
That's why I wanted it on here
because it's
[40:23] not required by the state. I don't
understand why it's not, but it's
not.
[40:26] They just pay for people. But it's
required by your common sense.
[40:29] Exactly.
[40:30] It's recommend it's recommended the
other things are going.
[40:34] And we have it built into the budget.
[40:35] And we've got, we try to build it
into the budget.
[40:37] and it's operational.
[40:40] So. So.
[40:43] I would say continue on with it, but
I would say continue on with it, but
I don't know if it fits in the
strategic
[40:47] plan necessarily.
[40:49] As long as we hear that and so keep
doing it.
[40:53] Yep.
[40:54] Well, let me just break in if I might
here because this is a concern mine
[40:58] from the last meeting.
[40:59] is the strategic plan is isn't
developed to
[41:05] alleviate staff of making good
choices.
[41:10] So, I mean, something major comes up
and they don't deal with it
[41:16] and they say, well, it wasn't on your
strategic plan. We're following that.
[41:19] Well, that's bullshit.
[41:20] Okay.
[41:21] And let's just get out there that
that's not what we're here for.
[41:24] We still have maintenance to do. We
still do these things.
[41:28] It's just, um, you know,
[41:31] and it's not for us to take it as to
why are you doing that because it's
[41:38] not on the street. Well, because it's
our job.
[41:40] So, let's try to keep the common
sense going here.
[41:42] And not
[41:44] get uh, you know, this isn't a uh,
uh, dividing.
[41:47] This is the whole thing is to get the
council and the staff working
[41:51] very integrated as a team on the on
the right things.
[41:55] Not to divide a line and alleviate
anybody of responsibility.
[42:00] All right, I'm off my soapbox.
[42:02] We can go on now.
[42:03] Please.
[42:04] I was going to say, a lot of the
stuff that we've been talking about,
it it
[42:09] deals specifically with utility
capacity, which is a part of
infrastructure.
[42:13] And honestly, I mean, we need to, I
mean, that is the strategic plan
[42:18] item to make sure that our utility
capacity is in line with how we're
growing.
[42:23] All right.
[42:24] And whatever Dan does, uh, you know,
[42:27] and like you said, it doesn't
necessarily that's not a top line
item, but it's just a
[42:33] a series of steps that he will take
to make sure that we have proper
[42:38] utility capacity, I mean, as as we're
growing and what we need.
[42:44] That makes sense.
[42:45] He's smart. Smart girl.
[42:48] I hear you.
[42:50] Let's move on to complete water tower
number three rehabilitation and begin
[42:55] water tower number two
rehabilitation.
[42:57] And this is already in process, is it
not?
[43:00] We're already funding.
[43:01] And we're already budgeting for it.
[43:02] Sounds good.
[43:04] Okay.
[43:04] Right.
[43:06] Okay.
[43:08] Design onsite fueling at the Public
Works facility.
[43:11] Hmm.
[43:13] [throat clearing]
[43:14] wonder where that came from two years
ago.
[43:16] [inaudible]
[43:17] Well, we had, this is a this is a
huge one.
[43:19] We just ate a we just ate a hell a
lot of curl on this one.
[43:22] They're talking diesel fuel's going
to go to eight might go to $8 a
gallon
[43:26] and we could have bought at $4 a
gallon.
[43:28] This costs the taxpayers a lot of
money.
[43:31] This was a big and I've been after
this for a couple years.
[43:35] This one kind of this one kind of
fries me. This is a this is kind of a
little
[43:38] hot topic for me, because this should
have been dealt with and we could
have
[43:43] saved the heck of a lot of money.
[43:44] Just like you pre-buy propane, we
could have pre-bought our diesel fuel
from
[43:47] diesel dogs or somebody.
[43:49] for $4 a gallon.
[43:51] Figure that out on a thousand gallons
if it goes up to $8.
[43:55] Mhm.
[43:56] I don't know all the details that it
goes into doing this, but I know that
[44:03] Norm has it on radar and working on
it. So
[44:04] But it got nipped the first time and
by the by the state fire marshall and
didn't
[44:09] follow up.
[44:10] to make adjustments and adapt to get
it done.
[44:13] So it doesn't have to be an above
ground tank.
[44:17] Um, Zimmerman has below ground tanks.
[44:20] for their for the Sherman County
behind their I do believe it's behind
their new
[44:26] building, their new fire station.
[44:27] So I talked to a couple guys at work
and they're in with the one guy's way
for for
[44:33] And they went to underground because
of the plastic tanks.
[44:36] You don't have to deal with the a
very plastic tank though.
[44:40] So, remind me,
[44:42] This is something he's working on,
right?
[44:44] He's supposedly working on it?
[44:47] Well, he yeah, so he got into he
designed it and then the
[44:51] fire marshal at the state didn't care
for his design.
[44:55] Um, since then, he has not had the
time to commit to it.
[45:00] And so there's been some issues with
with with that with capacity of the
ability
[45:06] to move forward with the project.
[45:07] However now with the potential for
the yard waste site to move too,
[45:12] that could open up more opportunity
like Council member
[45:16] Steve just said.
[45:18] [laughter] What do you think if I was
to talk to Hannibal this today?
[45:21] [laughter] Today, actually. And I
didn't know it was, I was like, oh,
[45:24] Why does he got five years to get it
done?
[45:26] Yeah, why is he put this on, you
know,
[45:29] where, where does it go on his
priority list then?
[45:31] Well, yeah, I mean, it is above and
beyond the everyday work that he's
doing.
[45:34] So that's again bringing that up is
[45:36] [crowd]
[45:38] I do. Yeah. Okay.
[45:40] Um, lobby, network, legislative,
state, federal, emphases on
[45:45] wastewater treatment facility funding
and local zoning authority.
[45:51] We added local zoning authority.
[45:53] You had this in your draft.
[45:54] [chatter] So, yep. Mhm.
[45:56] Sounds good.
[45:57] I mean, we're still fighting that,
you know, issue as it comes back
[46:01] to slap everybody in the face.
[46:05] Okay.
[46:06] Support implementation of the
five-year pavement management plan
[46:10] to maintain acceptable street surface
condition
[46:12] while extending pavement life cycle.
[46:14] Yeah. [chatter]
[46:16] doing it already.
[46:17] Lane, that big thumbs down.
[46:19] So, Kensa thumbs down because we're
already doing it.
[46:23] Well, really, pretty much from here
to the end is the stuff
[46:27] that we hear every council me,
[46:30] I mean, Lane does a great job on that
stuff, so.
[46:31] your five-year at the workshop, I
think.
[46:35] So, leave it, leave it off.
[46:37] [crowd]
[46:39] Just keep, keep, keep, uh, keep calm
and press on, Lane?
[46:42] Pursue funding opportunities for
infrastructure improvements,
[46:46] providing safety and connectivity
improvements, which connect
[46:48] neighborhood schools, commercial
areas, parks,
[46:51] lighting, crosswalks, sidewalks,
trails, etc.
[46:54] Again, I think we do this
continuously.
[46:58] Same thing.
[46:59] Improve GIS and mapping database to
improve staff efficiency.
[47:05] I don't know about that one.
[47:07] This I can tell you is a special
project going on right now.
[47:12] Um, we need to update all of our GIS
and mapping and there's been work
[47:16] being put into it currently,
[47:18] but it needs to be completed within
this five-year plan.
[47:21] I would say towards the beginning.
[47:23] Thumbs up.
[47:25] All right.
[47:26] Update private development standards
for City of Big Lake 2013.
[47:29] Absolutely, current public works and
engineering needs.
[47:33] [chatter] Yes.
[47:35] I don't even know what that is.
[47:36] But okay.
[47:37] [chatter] Absolutely.
[47:39] That would be a project.
[47:40] Yes. Yes.
[47:42] Who's who's uh who's wheelhouse?
[47:44] Lane. Mhm.
[47:46] That's why. Sorry. Lane?
[47:48] What does that mean, private
development, update private
development standards?
[47:52] Okay.
[47:53] So it's so it's if give me an
example.
[47:56] It is a thick book of this thick,
[48:00] okay, and it's made up of
specification details
[48:03] and everything from procedure in
there.
[48:06] Yeah, we're for uh doing.
[48:08] So our code revision on the
engineering side.
[48:10] Okay.
[48:11] And then those two at the end of the
day have to talk to each other.
[48:15] All right.
[48:16] Thumbs up. It's three course done
that's
[48:19] How about work with Min not to
minimize access restrictions to US 10
[48:23] and Minnesota 25 during upcoming
construction projects?
[48:29] Aren't you going to be involved?
Yeah, I think.
[48:31] Well, but this is
[48:32] This has gone beyond me now.
[48:34] This is one is this this does this
have to do with what we sat in
[48:37] with Mindot?
[48:39] So it's basically fighting Mindot and
making sure that our wishes
[48:41] are known.
[48:45] Because they want to, they want to
tend that their design would make it
[48:49] difficult if you're going
[48:52] coming west to get to a business on
the other side or vice versa.
[48:59] We don't want that.
[49:00] [chatter] a strategic plan to say,
hey, we want to work with you.
[49:05] They want to put J turns at, they
want to put J turns in
[49:07] and shut some of the entrances off.
[49:09] Yeah.
[49:10] I said, that's exactly what they did
to highway 52.
[49:12] I said that at the meeting.
[49:14] I I see it when I try running.
[49:15] So they want to put a J turn in, so
if there's a semi that has to go
[49:18] coming west, needs to go to the south
side, it's got to make a U-turn.
[49:22] a semi.
[49:25] Every day, all day. Highway 62,
Highway Highway 61, Highway 52.
[49:31] And then you're going into the sun.
[49:33] And you're going to come up on a semi
that has to go from zero to.
[49:37] Should be happy that I can put a
fairly buffer.
[49:38] Over off of 212, there's one on a
dang hill.
[49:41] Right at the bottom of the hill.
[49:42] when you say this is out of behind
you, what what does that mean?
[49:46] Does that mean we're bring people in,
we have to hire additional?
[49:51] We're bringing a chicken to a dog
fight or what are we doing?
[49:53] What are we, what are we doing?
[49:55] Leadership needs to combine with with
the township
[49:59] and speak in one voice.
[50:02] And getting state state
representatives and state senators.
[50:06] that's very important. This is a high
priority.
[50:09] Yeah.
[50:10] what those businesses, I mean,
[50:12] And I think it's going to be
dangerous on that stretch of road.
[50:16] They put them, I mean, they put them
in everywhere. You're
[50:18] I I you guys could fight this one,
but I'm telling you there's been big
communities that fight them and they
just
[50:25] The fight with this one is they want
to do three quarter of the turns.
[50:29] They do not want to allow if you're
going westbound,
[50:33] there will be no turn. So.
[50:36] You have to go down, do a U and come
back and then go in.
[50:39] They're going to allow for going to
Eastbound towards Open River,
[50:43] you can turn and go north and go into
100 industrial
[50:46] Boulevard and 172nd. You can make
those turns.
[50:50] But you cannot go across if you're
going towards
[50:54] Elk River. So they're going to allow
from the east.
[50:56] So they're they're calling them three
quarter J turns.
[50:59] Instead of giving us the full J
turns.
[51:03] going both ways.
[51:04] Right. So you can turn and go north
and south rather than
[51:07] always having to do the U.
[51:09] What a bunch of baloney. Three
quarter.
[51:11] Okay. So, okay. Um, let's move on to
um, ensure new
[51:16] developments provide public
infrastructure which does not
[51:19] provide undue cost for operations and
maintenance.
[51:25] This means supporting that we do uh,
that we design make sure
[51:30] that developers design projects that
uh don't impact public works
[51:36] operations and maintenance
essentially.
[51:38] In other words, developers there's
different engineers
[51:40] they come in with different designs
and from their professional
[51:44] expertise and experience they'll say
it's fine.
[51:47] And I'll argue with them and we'll
butt heads.
[51:50] And I what I what this is saying that
you support
[51:54] uh my position, Dan, and Norm's
position to
[51:59] but heads with them and say no, give
us what we need so we can
[52:03] operate the city more efficiency.
[52:06] with more efficiency and
effectiveness.
[52:13] Um, I agree that needs to be done.
[52:15] Again is that is that something
that's on with side plans and
[52:19] general operations and smel. I hear
your voice, your opinion's
[52:24] quite often on this for the
protection of the city.
[52:28] So and planning and zoning, we need
to get engineer comments.
[52:39] Yeah. You guys saying you guys saying
you need more about that.
[52:44] I I There again, it's one of those,
yes, absolutely
[52:47] necessary, but not specifically in
the strategic plan.
[52:51] What do you need from us to say, yes,
we support that.
[52:55] Uh, well, if it's not in this, then
if it comes up or if you
[52:57] get a phone call from a developer
because they will go around us
[53:00] and make phone calls. They've done it
in the past, they'll continue
[53:04] to do it in the future and they'll
have their story and need to
[53:09] make sure that we're all on the same
page. We're doing what we
[53:13] need to so that uh so there isn't
something special or unique out
[53:17] there that maybe impacts no play
because once we get nine inches
[53:21] of snow and everything is white and
there's something that's built
[53:24] different than anywhere else in the
city, uh, you could hit something
[53:29] and the weight came back, go back
into the truck and we're done
[53:32] for the year with that truck. We may
have a 100,000 repair.
[53:43] doesn't sound like it's a strategic
plan thing.
[53:47] It's a policy. Policy.
[53:50] Policy, yeah, it's
[53:52] Agreed. Like I said, I still think
you have your submitting
[53:57] their engineer comments on what what
should be done when it comes
[54:01] to planning and zoning and
[54:07] It does it has to be written
somewhere that they'll be able
[54:11] to see it, read it and say, this is
the way it is.
[54:15] Well, what happens is they come up
with something that's not on
[54:19] our radar, something that's unique.
And something that we
[54:22] don't want, that we don't want to
support. For example,
[54:26] Inside drops on the sanitary man
hole.
[54:29] We in six years ago, we allowed a
second one in a man hole said
[54:33] a development put in place.
[54:37] And now we have, I mean,
[54:39] Do you like going to the man hole
where by North star? Is the guy
[54:43] dealing with it, we can damage it
because when the holes goes
[54:45] down with our our jetting equipment,
the holes moves
[54:49] around and there's two inside drops
and what used to have a
[54:51] man hole 48 48 inches in diameter,
now is very small.
[54:55] So, that's that's where the problem
comes. Some you need
[54:57] who to thought that they'd come in
with requesting that.
[55:00] I think we understand the problem, we
understand it.
[55:04] This is a question of
[55:06] Yeah, I like I say, I don't think it
belongs in the strategic plan.
[55:09] I think we get that information
organically as we go.
[55:13] we understand, we're going to side
with you.
[55:16] Yeah. 100% of the time probably.
[55:18] based on what you just told us.
[55:20] 100% probably.
[55:21] Well, we're never going to I'm not
going to guarantee anything.
[55:25] Well, and and you're not going to get
that.
[55:26] This isn't a strategic plan. I don't
think progressive developers
[55:30] coming to reach out to us.
[55:33] As well as what you just described,
you can say, hey, this is a
[55:37] a new idea, and I don't think it's
good because of such and such and
such.
[55:42] And then you're a little smarter than
us to amend those issues.
[55:46] And we're going to say okay, we'll
listen to you.
[55:49] I think you gave you credit there.
[55:51] Back door wise, but
[55:52] Just a little I said.
[55:54] It was kind of a compliment, kind of
a kick to the teeth.
[55:57] You got it. I don't.
[55:59] Examine all public street and utility
projects for cost savings measures
[56:03] applicable to construction.
[56:05] And its operation.
[56:06] Again, I think you're doing an
amazing job on this on a weekly
basis.
[56:11] Continue proactive and time relevant
communication with residents and
[56:14] public regarding construction
projects.
[56:17] That you're doing.
[56:20] Did you just put this on in to get
the ad void or what?
[56:22] Recognize the financial impacts of
preserving existing infrastructure,
[56:26] participating in state and county
projects and expanding
[56:28] infrastructure due to growth.
[56:33] You do a great job.
[56:36] So comments right now then.
[56:40] Yeah, Lane can't go to any more of
these meetings.
[56:41] He sucks up at the end.
[56:43] I didn't put it in.
[56:46] But I did give her a top ten.
[56:49] Good golly.
[56:50] So I've got one one thing I wanted to
bring.
[56:59] Um, the
[57:02] just the the um, back to the money,
um, and taxes and so on.
[57:11] I don't know if it belongs on the
strategic plan.
[57:15] But probably not.
[57:18] But I'd like to see like our net tax,
our city tax rate,
[57:22] which is going to be 43% this year.
[57:25] It was 38 like last year or two years
ago.
[57:30] It has gone up because of the, which
we've seen because of the
[57:33] new building, um, and LGA
[57:38] that is being cut by our wonderful
state government.
[57:43] Um, but it's it
[57:47] we I just want to I want us to keep
that in mind and have it as a goal.
[57:51] Because I'm a believer that if you if
you aim at nothing,
[57:53] you will hit it every time.
[57:56] So I think we need to keep that in
mind that we don't want that to get
too high.
[58:01] And it and and it's arbitrary right
now, but I mean if we
[58:04] keep it at like 50% or it's going to
be higher than it was.
[58:08] Because of paying for the building,
which I maintain and I think anybody
[58:12] that is educated on what this
building is like, would agree that
[58:17] we're doing a good thing by replacing
this building.
[58:23] Um, and the police station.
[58:26] So it's going to go up for a time,
probably maybe even a couple decades,
[58:30] it might be a little higher than but
and eventually probably will
[58:33] come back down in my opinion, maybe
into the 30s again.
[58:37] But I just think it's a good thing to
have a target that says
[58:43] we're not going to let it get up in
that 60, 65,
[58:46] or we're going to work to keep it I
would say around that 50% mark.
[58:53] So I like I said, I don't I don't
know if that belongs in a strategic
plan.
[59:00] It's unrealistic because you don't
know what's going to happen.
[59:02] You're putting something in there
that's not a realistic number
[59:04] because you don't know what's going
to happen.
[59:06] Nobody knew we're going to vote $48
million on a waste water treatment.
[59:09] Nobody knew we're going to waste $33
million on a public public safety
building.
[59:14] Yeah, it's 4.4 million of it's
wasted.
[59:18] No, that's not true.
[59:20] You want to have that conversation?
[59:22] You borrow $1.6 million extra for
your first payment in 2027
[59:26] And if you use Deb's financial number
at the interest, it creates $800,000
worth of interest that we got to pay.
[59:33] So that's 2.4 right there.
[59:36] And because the EDA went through the
EDA, we have to pay a higher interest
rate
[59:39] per Deb's statement, that cost us $2
million in interest.
[59:44] So that's $4.4 million on a project.
[59:47] That using, and I'm not picking on
Deb, I'm not picking on Deb, but
those are words out of our financial
person's mouth.
[59:53] Not anybody else. I didn't make them
up.
[59:54] That was prior to the bonding.
[59:56] In in reality, we got a a very good
deal on our sales.
[1:00:01] We're still paying more because we're
the EDA.
[1:00:04] same rate as if we were to lose the
other five.
[1:00:06] Yes, yes, it was like unbelievable.
[1:00:08] You never said that. So that's the
point. Tammy told us.
[1:00:10] I know for the numbers we had
beforehand, yes.
[1:00:13] But the night of the sale.
[1:00:15] always turns into worst case
scenarios.
[1:00:16] However, But we still brought 1.6
extra million dollars for
[1:00:20] the first payment in 2026. 2027,
sorry.
[1:00:23] Correct. In 20, correct because we we
[1:00:25] And then the interest of that at the
number you originally gave
[1:00:28] create $800,000 of interest after 20
years. Anyway.
[1:00:31] But that was 2.4.
[1:00:33] What was you
[1:00:34] Well, using
[1:00:36] It's just a it's hard to it's hard to
put say 50% is you're
[1:00:39] in there because you don't know
what's coming up.
[1:00:43] You know, it's kind of like putting
and I I apologize,
[1:00:46] my boss called me, so that's why I
had to step out.
[1:00:48] The the freeze on borrowing except
for the waste water treatment.
[1:00:52] It's that's tough because when you
put things like that in
[1:00:56] there, I think it's tough because
[1:00:59] what was that two years ago?
[1:01:01] when we had that goofy winter where
everything went to
[1:01:04] Everything went bad in the roads
because of the temperatures and
[1:01:07] all that and we had extra roads to
do.
[1:01:10] So you're never going to borrow for
for for that. It's tough because
[1:01:14] if you get a bad winter, you're on
the hook, either you fix it
[1:01:18] or you you drive on crappy roads.
[1:01:21] It was three I think three years ago
where we just killed Lane
[1:01:25] with fiber.
[1:01:27] Lane almost got killed with bad
roads.
[1:01:29] That's because of the low interest.
[1:01:30] Yeah, they're totally low interest
rates, but yeah.
[1:01:33] So that was the freeze.
[1:01:35] That's
[1:01:36] So,
[1:01:37] So could that be could that be put in
the finance policy since
[1:01:41] we're reviewing that anyway that way
we'll actually be looking at
[1:01:44] the numbers and we could have a
something in the financial
[1:01:47] policy because
[1:01:49] there again like Ken, I'm not pulling
numbers out of the air
[1:01:53] saying 40, 50, 60%. I don't know.
[1:01:56] But through that exercise at least
we'll be able to look at
[1:02:00] anticipated numbers, come up with a
real realistic assumption, but
[1:02:05] if it's in the financial policy then
it's reviewed every year also.
[1:02:09] So if we do see a bad year roads
[1:02:13] something something that's coming up
then we can address it
[1:02:16] then with that.
[1:02:18] That works for me and it to me it
just makes sense.
[1:02:21] When, I mean, yes, our our residents
here, of course, we
[1:02:25] all know this. I'm not telling you
anything you don't know.
[1:02:28] But yes, they want a well run
community, but they also want
[1:02:31] taxes that are which we do try to
make them really, uh, you
[1:02:36] know, as low as as we can.
[1:02:39] But I think if you keep it in mind,
it's just it's going to be
[1:02:43] better.
[1:02:45] If you have a goal.
[1:02:46] I like what Ken said there and then
what you had started your
[1:02:49] conversation off with, if you aim at
nothing, you'll hit it
[1:02:52] every time.
[1:02:54] So, I think it's good to have goals.
[1:02:56] What is
[1:02:56] And the credit goes to Deb on that.
[1:02:59] I just said that by the way.
[1:03:01] But
[1:03:02] Oh, no.
[1:03:04] no, I I thought you were Sorry, I
thought you were done. Go ahead.
[1:03:08] Ken. Yes, sir.
[1:03:09] So your question. So it says complete
comprehensive financial
[1:03:12] analysis and needs of the parks
trails, what is that and tail?
[1:03:18] because and I'm asking this this
said,
[1:03:19] Yeah, I'll I'll take that one because
like um you and your
[1:03:23] diesel tanks I've been talking about
this for a couple years.
[1:03:26] is um you know, and you're the one
that actually kind of sparked
[1:03:30] the idea when you realized that some
point the parks weren't
[1:03:34] being funded in any way and so you
threw $100,000 at it.
[1:03:39] Fantastic.
[1:03:40] Um however,
[1:03:43] I'd like to know is that enough?
[1:03:45] Is it going to the right places? What
what does our Parks and Trail
[1:03:49] system actually cost to run?
[1:03:51] And and the more we can get us
breaking that down the better.
[1:03:54] I mean if one part, you know, and
[1:03:57] it's a difficult exercise, I
understand.
[1:04:00] But then you also place that with
usage and where the where the
[1:04:03] people's priorities are within our
trail system and so you can
[1:04:07] allocate those funds correctly.
[1:04:10] And it's all about proper use of
number one, making sure we have
[1:04:14] the money to maintain the great
systems that we have, but number
[1:04:17] two that those funds are putting are
going towards the ones that
[1:04:21] are being used or wanted out in the
community.
[1:04:25] So it's like no it's like any other
financial analysis.
[1:04:31] Um like I say, 100 grand is great,
but I have no idea if that's
[1:04:35] enough, half of what we need.
[1:04:39] And I I think because we do have a
very extensive park system for
[1:04:43] a town our size or a city our size
and we have a great trail
[1:04:47] system.
[1:04:50] And that's fantastic and uh but it's
it's expensive to maintain
[1:04:53] unless we make sure we're funding
that.
[1:04:57] So this is a concept of looking at.
[1:05:01] So I have already. So the
[1:05:04] a system of replacing parks is is
[1:05:08] I'm kind of against right now. No
offense.
[1:05:10] We're spending over $900,000 on one
park.
[1:05:14] And by the lake between the
playground equipment and skate park.
[1:05:19] We're spending 900 grand on a park
that people
[1:05:22] are coming to pay to use and people
have to pay to park and all that.
[1:05:26] Versus the neighborhood parks where
actually the people who
[1:05:29] live in our town generally go to
more.
[1:05:33] That's what I have that's why I
brought this question up.
[1:05:36] No offense. I've got no offense on
anything.
[1:05:38] No, I mean, I was trying to explain
my
[1:05:40] I'm just trying to bring it into the
financial realm
[1:05:44] to make sure that they're funded
correctly,
[1:05:47] funded and funded correctly and the
money's going in the same.
[1:05:51] in the correct positions and it's a
big expense
[1:05:54] and one that obviously has been
overlooked.
[1:05:57] So.
[1:05:58] Yeah, some playground equipment's
pretty darn old.
[1:06:00] But for the most part it's in pretty
tough shape.
[1:06:03] Okay.
[1:06:04] I just asked because so it's like an
internal thing,
[1:06:06] a staff internal thing?
[1:06:08] No.
[1:06:09] That was kind of my question to the
conference of five
[1:06:11] was this something we're paying for
or is this like a staff?
[1:06:14] No, because there's got to be a lot
of assumptions with this
[1:06:16] and you have to realize that going
forward.
[1:06:18] Okay, so.
[1:06:19] That that's what I was trying to
hear. I'll just have to
[1:06:21] make my own guesses and and go with
that,
[1:06:23] but it's a lot better than what we
have.
[1:06:24] Okay. Which is nothing. All right,
thanks.
[1:06:28] So, the things that are up on the
screen right now,
[1:06:31] This is, um, pulled for sure.
[1:06:33] Okay.
[1:06:34] Um, your draft that you guys came up
with on September 2nd.
[1:06:38] So it's in addition to what we've
already gone through here with the
modified language and so on.
[1:06:43] Yep, so some of the language is
modified, but then there's other
things that are
[1:06:47] like on the one that you're seeing
right here, um, we didn't even talk
about today.
[1:06:51] Okay.
[1:06:52] Um, but you talked about it on a
second.
[1:06:54] But we addressed the
[1:06:57] having a goal of a target on text,
right?
[1:07:02] Yeah.
[1:07:03] But didn't we talk about the freeze
on borrowing and
[1:07:07] We did not talk about it other than
what then can how it's covered.
[1:07:11] Um, I get very nervous when you sit
here and arbitrarily put a freeze on
something because
[1:07:18] quite honestly, if that need arises,
that's going to be unfrozen.
[1:07:22] So basically what we're doing is
playing politics when we put a freeze
in place.
[1:07:27] I don't know what that means,
politics, but
[1:07:29] I think we're putting fancy words
into play where in reality,
[1:07:34] we have a very conservative staff
council, I mean, we
[1:07:38] we look at every expenditure with a
critical eye already.
[1:07:43] I'm thankful for that.
[1:07:44] Yes.
[1:07:46] And so putting a freeze in where we
don't know the unknowns and and being
realistic,
[1:07:50] if an emergency came up where we had
to bond borrow or steal.
[1:07:58] [laughter]
We're going to do it.
[1:08:01] And again, this is something that
could be we already have it in the
finance policy,
[1:08:05] but you could finesse that section
that section that talked about what
you're willing to even bond for.
[1:08:11] And the level. So I think you could.
[1:08:13] So that would have more teeth if we
put it in the financial policy as to
at least the
[1:08:17] top five criteria that we bond for.
[1:08:22] Yes. The why do we borrow?
[1:08:23] Yeah, that's what you're saying. Yes.
[1:08:25] And then of course there's always
discretionary. We don't know what we
don't know,
[1:08:30] but
[1:08:31] um, it's pretty hard to take money
out of here as it is.
[1:08:34] So.
[1:08:36] I I I'm okay with that. Are you okay
with that?
[1:08:38] With what?
[1:08:39] Putting it into the financial plan?
[1:08:41] Yeah, that's fine.
[1:08:43] This could also go into the category
of we're already doing this.
[1:08:47] But you're looking at your financial
policy every year anyway.
[1:08:51] And something could change because
there is a debt limit in that finance
policy
[1:08:54] and something could change where you
have to change that.
[1:08:56] And what are the five reasons that we
borrow?
[1:08:59] Why are there five?
[1:09:01] No, well, like we do not borrow for
huge capital items, like a truck
[1:09:04] or for operational costs. No, it is
only for a true long term.
[1:09:11] My point was is that I don't know
what I'm on the financial.
[1:09:14] Right.
[1:09:15] And so I doubt anybody else could
answer that question. Hence the
exercise that we need
[1:09:19] to learn what we're supposed to be
governing and that's part of why
[1:09:22] you need to go through these
policies.
[1:09:25] It's part it's tough to say the word
freeze.
[1:09:27] Because Eagle Creek Road South.
[1:09:31] We get one more bad winter, we drive
it on the dirt.
[1:09:34] I think it's going to pop like that
thing's going to like cold.
[1:09:37] And if you say freeze, they're just
going to tell the taxpayers, well,
we're not going to borrow,
[1:09:40] we're just going to sit on it and
wait.
[1:09:43] That's not a road. Which road?
[1:09:45] Eagle Creek Road South.
[1:09:46] That thing's crapped.
[1:09:47] I'm waiting on spider walk.
[1:09:48] I would I would definitely drive on
the road. But that's another
discussion.
[1:09:51] Right.
[1:09:53] [laughter]
[1:09:54] They they might not be happy if
they're paying $4,000 a year taxes
and driving on a dirt road.
[1:09:59] Yeah.
[1:10:01] So.
[1:10:02] uh
[1:10:03] next one, review and revise the City
Council's policies
[1:10:07] with we talked about that one. Yep.
Yep. We already modified
[1:10:09] the language there. Complete, uh
moving down to number four.
[1:10:12] Complete a comprehensive financial
and needs.
[1:10:16] We did that one. Complete a full
analysis of every city paid position.
[1:10:20] Full analysis of every city paid
position.
[1:10:23] What is that? Justification of
employment?
[1:10:26] Would that be kind of, Anna?
[1:10:28] Justification of employment.
[1:10:30] Do we need them?
[1:10:33] Um or the other way.
[1:10:34] I mean it is.
[1:10:36] Yeah, it's it's uh I mean that's uh
[1:10:39] you know, six or seven words that
creates a a lot of work.
[1:10:44] But yeah, it is making sure that
everybody here is is needed
[1:10:51] and used to their full potential, but
also could identify areas
[1:10:55] that we are lacking, when we're start
talking about succession
[1:11:00] planning and retirement and things
like that and take this in a global
view.
[1:11:04] And you have to start with what's
here and that's the full analysis
[1:11:08] of like you said. Yeah, it's making
sure production is meeting standards.
[1:11:12] Um but are there areas that aren't
needed? Are there positions
[1:11:17] that can be combined? Um what does
the next five year when
[1:11:23] people start retiring, do we have um
succession plans in place uh to
[1:11:25] we won't be disrupting city services
or expending
[1:11:30] a lot of money bringing in um crisis
management to get
[1:11:34] through that period if we start
thinking of that now.
[1:11:39] We can at least uh hope to pull off a
uh seamless transition.
[1:11:47] Which is a lot cheaper than crisis
management.
[1:11:50] So I like the succession and all
that.
[1:11:51] Is this is this uh internal?
[1:11:54] Yes.
[1:11:56] Okay. This is not hiring some
organization to come in and
[1:12:00] tell us that we need to hire seven
positions.
[1:12:01] We're going to work internally.
[1:12:04] Develop a succession.
[1:12:06] Personnel committee does that.
[1:12:08] They've got.
[1:12:09] [laughter] Yeah. Actually, personnel
committee will be involved.
[1:12:11] Good.
[1:12:12] All right, what's the next slide?
[1:12:14] Um well, we can go back here. I do
want to address one thing. Minnesota
Avenue. Are you guys wanting to put
language into your strat plan
regarding Minnesota Avenue?
[1:12:22] Uh most definitely.
[1:12:25] Yep. Then I'll highlight that.
[1:12:26] Okay.
[1:12:28] But then going backwards.
[1:12:29] Um how many more slides do we have?
[1:12:32] So it's only five core functions.
[1:12:33] So admin, then we'll jump up to
public safety and yep.
[1:12:37] We went through all these?
[1:12:39] On the second, you did. So maybe just
review them quickly or.
[1:12:42] Oversee the construction of the
public safety facility.
[1:12:46] Oversee the redevelopment of the City
Hall old school building site.
[1:12:49] Lobby network legislatively.
[1:12:51] Yep.
[1:12:51] Review and streamline joint powers
board agreements. We did not
[1:12:54] talk about that one tonight. No.
[1:12:56] But on the second, said, okay.
[1:12:57] So review and streamline joint.
[1:12:59] I I think that's a good idea.
[1:13:03] Oh, okay.
[1:13:04] Oh, develop a plan for a potential
redistricting.
[1:13:09] Okay.
[1:13:10] Okay.
[1:13:13] Promote reduction of emergency
response time.
[1:13:16] Where are we like?
[1:13:18] This was Minnesota Ave.
[1:13:19] That's for Minnesota Ave.
[1:13:21] Yeah.
[1:13:25] Yeah.
[1:13:26] Can we?
[1:13:29] No.
[1:13:31] No.
[1:13:32] Okay.
[1:13:33] We got to core function four, which
is infrastructure and utilities.
[1:13:38] Are we going to be there?
[1:13:40] Prepare the groundwork for the
wastewater treatment facility and
design a financially planned for
potential relocation of the yard
waste site.
[1:13:46] So we talked about that.
[1:13:48] And then the last one, core function
land use and development.
[1:13:51] Complete and codify the code revision
project.
[1:13:55] We modified the language with that.
[1:13:57] Okay. Yep.
[1:13:58] Internally review and revise the
comprehensive plan.
[1:14:02] I guess that's internal.
[1:14:04] Complete a full assessment of all
city and owned property
[1:14:07] with a recommendation following.
[1:14:09] Retain, redevelop, hold, sell.
[1:14:12] For that one, can we figure out what
we own?
[1:14:15] We're going to do.
[1:14:16] You guys laugh.
[1:14:18] They they I agree with you.
[1:14:20] This is still the discussion on why
we're not selling that piece of
property.
[1:14:25] I'm laughing because I agree with
you.
[1:14:27] Part of the assessment.
[1:14:29] Okay.
[1:14:31] Uh, what's next?
[1:14:32] Is that it?
[1:14:33] I guess next would be
[1:14:35] Is there anything else?
[1:14:37] Happier?
[1:14:38] Five.
[1:14:39] Are there any other things that you
guys would like
[1:14:42] to talk about? We're not tonight for
me.
[1:14:44] But I guess we leave the discussion
open yet for another month.
[1:14:49] We can bring um a new based on today,
I think we got good notes. Um we'll
take uh another draft back here when
Gina and I find time within a
workshop.
[1:15:01] Um, and just continue discussion.
[1:15:03] Okay.
[1:15:05] Yeah.
[1:15:06] Does anybody have anything under
other?
[1:15:10] Looking for a motion to adjourn,
[1:15:11] that made by Cfield, seconded by
Nodding.
[1:15:14] At least he turned it off.
[1:15:15] All the same sign, motion carries.