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or something.
>> Well, the online system's down right

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now, so I just got to record it.
>> All stand for the pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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standy

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and justice for all.
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And we need a roll call.
>> Lumpy

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» here.
>> Nestrom

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» here.
>> Walton

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» here.
>> Nikki

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» here. Galler
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» Okay.
>> And next approval of the July 23rd

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minutes. [snorts]
>> Move to approve the minutes.

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» I second.
>> All in favor?

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» I
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» Okay.

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Next on this agenda is public comments
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This is only one thing on the agenda so
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Anything not related.
Moving ahead,

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we'll now have a public hearing for 318
Ives Avenue. The Panda Bear Properties

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Jennifer Joel and Payton Scarda.
Thank you. Varian request to allow up to

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four unrelated people to reside on the
property. Property is own RP which is

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residential
professional and

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start.
>> You can start. Yes. M.

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Uh
the property as you stated um is zoned

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RP at 318 Ives and the applicant is
asking to allow the property to use for

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four unrelated people and the RP zoning
district. Uh 318 Ives is located in RP

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and the RP district only allows for
single family residential plus one

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additional occupant as the if the
property is owner occupied the

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surrounding properties majority
nonconformity in regards to the

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multifamily rental status staff is aware
that there's a high number of non

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non-conforming properties in the area of
the RP district and there's a map in

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your packet that was provided. There's
actually two maps. Uh the first map

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shows the area and the rental properties
that are in that area and how many units

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are in that rental by color. [snorts]
And then the other map is a little bit

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confusing. Um, but it shows where the R
what the like what properties are zoned

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RP in the city and then if those
properties

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have the P exemption, which means that
they're a primary resident for um

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the occupant, which
usually if something is a primary

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residence for an occupant, I'm actually
if a if it's a primary residence for an

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occupant. It's not a rental. That's
usually how we catch them like or can

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kind of figure it out because if you're
primary residence, you're not renting

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unless you have a single occupant
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So um and then it shows like which one
are active rentals, which one were um

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primary residences
um in 2007, which is when the RP

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district was established and which ones
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So that's what that map means or
[snorts] shows. Uh the RP zoning, it's

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relatively new. As I said, it was only
in 2007, which sounds not new, but in

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zoning world, that's new. Um resulting
in a high number of legal non-conforming

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properties, which means they existed
prior to that RP's district being

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established.
since the establishment of RP 318ISE had

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been used as a single family residence.
So, it was conforming to the ordinance.

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Um, since it was conforming, the
variance would be required to allow the

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non-conforming use to exist on the
property.

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The house itself is situated on par. It
gives a partial number and it has four

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bedrooms and the applicant plans to
prepare a surface in the rear yard

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adjacent to the alley for parking.

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Uh the case of the zoning board of
appeals arises from the fact that the

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majority of the surrounding properties
are legal non-conforming multifamily

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rentals. When purchasing the property,
the applicant was under the impression

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that there are area allowed for
multifamily rentals due to the high

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number in the area. During the
renovation and rental inspection

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process, the applicant was informed that
they could not rent out the unit to

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unrelated occupants because it would
classify as a multifamily rental, which

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is not permitted in the RP district.

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Um, the next section of your staff
report goes through the standards for

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variances and staff's analysis of those
standards. Uh, due to the uses of the

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surrounding property and the proposed
use of this house standing in contrast

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with the intention of the ordinance,
staff cannot recommend outright approval

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of this ordinance as there is very
limited hardship that wasn't

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self-created.

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And then the rest of the staff report is
just your motions or sample motions that

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are available for the board to use.
>> Question.

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» Yeah.
>> In relation to this map.

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» Yes.
>> Right.

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» As opposed to this map. Ives is in this
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there's no street. I when I looked
online I looked, okay, where's Locus?

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hives and all that kind of stuff. And
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» I'm making an assumption. [snorts]
Well, actually, I'm not making an

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assumption. I did that right.
>> Um, on the one with all the nice pink

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and everything.
>> Locust is that first street on this map.

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» I can't see. I got to come up.
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» The only reason I say that is Okay.
This right here, right?

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» Yeah. Here's
here's here's I This is on this picture.

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There's this. This is Locust.
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would be right down here.
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bit.
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» of this area.
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» Gotcha.
>> All right. [clears throat]

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» This one I wanted to confirm.
>> Okay. Yeah, we're good.

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Now, there's an opportunity for the
applicant to make a presentation.

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» Yep. Up there. State your name, Mary.
Liv, and uh try to

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This is a smaller group,
>> so about 10 minutes or so, whatever you

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need.
>> Okay. Um my name is Jennifer Scarta and

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that's my husband Joel Scarta. Um we're
the parents of Payton Scarta and he is

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part owner of Ives as well as a student
at Ferris.

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Um as parents of three children all
within two years of age of each other.

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We have tried to find ways to make
school affordable

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um not just for us but for um the people
that also will live with him. Um, one of

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the ways for us was to purchase a home
and allow our child to live there with

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roommates that help share the costs of
living. Um, we are asking for a variance

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to be able to use this property as an
open owner occupied student rental for a

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total of three renters.
Um, when looking for a home in the

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rental district, we did so in good faith
um with good intentions, thinking it was

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an appropriate rental district.
um as this is what we were told. Um we

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were shocked to learn um otherwise near
completion uh of the renovations.

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Um and solely the result of
misinformation, misunderstanding from

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the realer that we um had on the other
side of the transaction and we apologize

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that we have to be here for this now.
Um, however, throughout the process of

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transforming this property, we pulled
all of the proper permits. Um, we went

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above and beyond on the renovations.
The property was truly an eyesore on the

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street. It was very overgrown.
Um, the wind there were no windows on

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the um exterior or the porch on the side
of the house. Um, it was overgrown with

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vines. There were animal feces in there.
Um floors needed leveling. The kitchen

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was very dilapidated. In place of the
kitchen sink was a washer and dryer um

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that was hooked up there. The um there
was a stove plugged into the middle of

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the floor of the kitchen. So made the
kitchen basically um

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nonfunctional to the average person. Um,
bathrooms

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um
were also very outdated, 50 plus years

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um for the age of the vanities. Um older
plumbing, unsafe electrical. Um and

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those are all things that we took care
of. Um, and we're very proud that it is

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now not an eyesore and it not only um
looks beautiful, but it also helps to

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raise the property value um for the Big
Rapid School District as a whole. Um,

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but especially on that street and for
the neighboring properties.

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Um,

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let's see. Um,
we um invested in it, substantially

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improved it, and brought it back to a
condition that contributes positively to

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the neighborhood while increasing
surrounding property values. The

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proposed use is consistent with the
established residential renter character

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and actual use of this particular street
or block. Um we are are asking for a

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sight specific variance because of the
unique circumstances of this property

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and this particular block. There are in
fact students living next door that have

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moved in in this past week um there now.
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Um the property is already a rental
district or in a rental district. The

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surrounding properties are
overwhelmingly

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rentals. Um, student rentals already
exist immediately around it. Our son is

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now an owner of the property, so it will
be owner occupied and maintained. And

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the physical property has been renovated
to accommodate residential

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uh rental use. The home um was well is
well prepared to support student

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housing. It has four parking spots, not
on the street. The permit was pulled and

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approved for that. There are house rules
to keep things in order. Um, Payton will

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be maintaining the home and the yard um
and overseeing the management of the

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property. Our proposed is not [sighs]
our proposed use is not materially

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different than the use of the
surrounding properties. Um, I will also

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be stopping by uh periodically. I'm
we're we pass this town on our way more

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north of here a lot. Um
the rental division has inspected it and

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approved the home and the other things
that were approved there were um the

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plumbing and electric which we pulled
permits for. That's all new throughout

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the home. Um we aren't asking the city
to to change the character of this

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neighborhood. We're asking the city to
recognize the character that already

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exists. Um, we have demonstrated our
commitment to this property and this

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neighborhood through our substantial
investment and rehabilitation.

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Again, it would be owner occupied and we
understand that some properties have

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established or grandfathered rights. We
aren't asking the city to disregard its

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regulations. We are asking the city to
recognize that our proper property is

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similarly situated in terms of the
neighborhood character and that an owner

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occupied rental with a total of four
occupants is re is a reasonable and

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limited accommodation. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Questions anybody right now?

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» We may have questions later.
>> Okay.

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[clears throat and cough]

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Now we have an opportunity for those in
opposition to this to speak

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» hearing none. Um anything reported?
>> Uh you have you forgot those in support.

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» I'm just making sure you remember them.
And then the other is you had two emails

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in your packet that I got before I
created packets and emailed them out. So

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you have two emails in there and then
you have another email that was sitting

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to the side of your packet that I got um
since the packets.

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» Okay.
>> Right.

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And then I did not receive any phone
calls.

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» No phone calls. Is this on? Okay. Sorry.

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I don't have to read this. And we got
the two. There is two in favor. That's

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in the packet.
>> Yes.

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» Read that.
>> Okay.

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Well,
>> you have to ask if there's anybody

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supporting it.
>> You didn't give people Sorry.

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» You forgot about people who are
supporting it.

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» I forgot about people who are supporting
it.

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» Give them the opportunity to speak.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. Anybody? Yeah. Anybody in favor to
speak? Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. [laughter]

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It's been a long day for me.
>> I feel you. Really long week.

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» Yes.

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I assume that I'm supposed to come up
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» Yeah. State [laughter] name.
>> Okay. Okay. So, my name is Jody Steves.

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I live at 510 Winter, but my husband
Mark and I own right across the street

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from 318 Ives. So, we own two
properties, 321 Ives and 325 Ives. So,

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um I'm here tonight in support of
granting the variance for 318 Ives to

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allow four unrelated individuals to live
in the home. Um, I just said Mark and I

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own across the street and we've owned
those about 15 years. And in my opinion,

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318 Ives um has long been the most
rundown property on that block. And uh

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we've watched it deteriorate year after
year. Um that's why we're so glad to see

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the new owners step in and completely
renovate it this summer. They've shown a

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real commitment to upgrading the home so
that four individuals can live

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comfortably there. There's four
bedrooms, as you stated, a bath and a

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half. Um, we've toured it. It's
beautiful. Um, they've also upgraded the

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off streetet parking, which is nice um
to easily handle four cars. So, um,

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based on the significant investment
they've made, I have full confidence

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that they will continue to maintain the
property to a high standard. So, I ask

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that you grant this request. Thank you.

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» Yes. Go ahead.

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» Good evening.
First [snorts] of all, thanks for being

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here. I've sat on the ZBA for 15 years
in my township. So, I appreciate what

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you guys put into this. But my name is
Paul Leinger. I own the rental right

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behind them at 318 Hives. I purchased
that or no? Yeah, they're at 318 Hives.

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I'm at 319 Stewart. So, I'm right behind
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» Right.
>> So, I bought that the fall of 2017 when

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my daughter came up here first year at
Ferris. I went to look for her for the

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next year when she got out of the dorms
and the places were nasty. And luckily I

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was in a position to buy one and I did
and kind of like these folks did that

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the next summer I gutted it, redid it
all and I've held on to it and I've I've

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held on to for the fact that uh I've
been landing grad students. I just love

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staying in touch with these kids and
giving them a nice place. I also went

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down the rabbit hole of how hard is it
to figure out what that area would look

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like in zoning. We I'm realtor uh so I
kind of got in like to the city site. It

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was very hard for me to distinguish,
okay, why was mine approved? And I

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understand the city's responsibility to
itself to monitor where these homes, you

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know, what's going on with these homes.
That being said, like mine's a rental. I

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believe the three to the left of me are,
the ones behind are. So, I could

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certainly see there was no malicious
intent that if I looked at that, too.

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Unless I really came in and probably
spoke to the zoning director, I would

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have complete expectation that was going
to be a student rental available. And

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what's already been said, they've done a
phenomenal job of it. I haven't been in

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it. I drove by yesterday cuz I actually
had my certificate renewed yesterday.

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And uh I just know I don't know them
personally, but when you own it, you

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take care of it. And these guys, I don't
think are looking to be slumlords and

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buying 10 of them or nothing. And I hope
it works for them. That has tremendously

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helped my situation with my daughter.
She went on to grad school in Indiana

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and that has helped her substantially.
So kudos for you guys for helping your

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kids because it's a long road when they
get into college. So I just like to

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offer my support for the request.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Anybody

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else in favor to speak?

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» Please don't look at me as a closer. I
probably should have [laughter]

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» jumped up first.
>> Um, my name is Mark Spece and as you

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know, I'm married to Jodie and we
operate under Park Hill Properties and

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we actually have four houses in the RP
district. So, we kind of know the ins

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and out of RP and we still screw up.
[laughter]

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Um,
the reason that I want you to give the

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variance is that house was going
nowhere. It was in such it was in such

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horrible condition. It wouldn't have
been possible for a new a starter

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family, you know, home wouldn't have
taken on that project. It was just too

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monumental.
And the reason, even though I don't know

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these folks, the reason that I'm
very confident they're going to do a

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good job long before they got flagged,
so to speak, on the very, you know, on

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the zoning difficulty, they did
something that

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a lot of landlords don't do in this
city. They actually brought up the level

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of the windows and like on the the sun
porch, they spent a lot of money redoing

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those windows. And I've seen a lot of
folks that make a lot of money in

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rentals in this town simply cover
windows up. Have you all seen that where

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they just make a whole wall of windows
disappear because it's drafty or

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whatever? And they did that on their
own. They have a good eye and I think

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they'll be an asset. And no offense to
you, sir. I hope they do buy 10

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properties here. [laughter]
>> That's what they buy.

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» Um because uh we even though they would
be potential competitors, we we think it

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brings up it just brings up the level of
housings, you get better people, you get

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a better feel of community, and you get
more activity downtown in the walkable

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area. It's a great neighborhood and if
any of you ever want to discuss RP with

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me, I'm not going to do it here. Your
time's limited. I would love to give my

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opinion. You probably don't want to hear
it. [snorts]

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[laughter]
Thank you so much for being here and we

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know it's a lot of work and it's a
volunteer thing. Thanks so much for

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being here for the community.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Well, soon as I put this out of order, I

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guess you don't have to rebut the opp
the the favor. [clears throat]

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or whatever. Um,

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got that, got that, got that. Is there
anything else? Anybody else have to

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speak in favor?
>> Maybe just one other thing I'd add in my

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comment is it was listed on the MLS. It
was available out there and a single

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owner could have purchased it for a
single family. So, to me, it's almost

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market tested that it almost seemed to
find its own path to what it is and what

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I think it should be.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

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I want to add one more thing too. So,
for creating affordable housing, um,

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[clears throat]

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» it really would help if we could because
we

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» you get this recorded. Sorry.
>> Didn't you show up on camera?

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» Yeah.
Um just regarding affordable housing,

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Payton did live in um the College Town
Apartments last year and um while

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they're great to offer students housing,
we did not find that very affordable

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with all of their surprise fees and
things of that nature. A 12-month lease

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when the kids are here for 9 months. And
um so we're

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we're trying to be better and offer some
different options for the kids. So, a

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shorter lease, um lower monthly fees,
more um of the uh utilities included,

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and um just some options if instead of
having to move stuff out, if they wanted

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to stay there again, um they could have
a reduced rent over the summer to leave

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their items there and not have to move
them out of sto.

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Um so, that was another um goal of ours
was not just to have housing for Payton,

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but to help other kids as well.
Okay.

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» Very good. [snorts]
>> I have one quick comment.

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» And your name is again?
>> So, my name is Joel. Okay. Husband and

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Jen. Um, I just want to say I have never
met this gentleman. I've never seen him.

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I did not know that he was going to come
today. Um, I did meet Jod and Mark um

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the first week we started the renovation
and I was very um forthcoming just of

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what we're doing. There was no hidden
agenda or anything like we're going to

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sneak some kids in here because it's in
the wrong district. We truly did not

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know. Um and we found out a week before
the renovation was done and that was

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certainly our fault for not doing the
complete follow through. But as everyone

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has spoken, the whole district, the
whole area is all rentals to my left, to

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my right, across the street, it's all
we're the only single family home. And

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the renovation was substantial, six
digits. Um, no single family home or

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single family buyer in my opinion, I
have a sore throat, I'm sorry, could

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purchase that home without construction
background to be able to fix it up to

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what it was. So, that's why it sat there
stagnant. You can't rent it because it

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won't pass code and you couldn't fix up
as a single a first-time home buyer

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because it's far too much of a
renovation. So, having said that, thank

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you for your time and um I did know they
were going to speak, but I certainly

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didn't beg or plead for Jody Martin
either. And we don't know that anybody.

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[laughter]
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. Nobody else

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portion is closed and now we get to go
into fact finding.

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» Yep.
So, as I said, so they have So, there's

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three with the So, there's three across
the street to them. Three bedroom, three

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rentals around them and behind them.
>> Mhm.

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» Well, when I look at this map,
>> those aren't bedrooms.

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» Yeah.
>> This one

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» Yeah.
>> that you're looking at, those are units.

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» They're not bedrooms. So like a one unit
is just one apartment. So a lot of

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houses have been divided up. So they
might like there are houses that are

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four units but each unit could have
different amount of bedrooms.

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» Sure.
>> Gotcha. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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Um, but looking at this, if this is the
house where it's located, everything

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that's all x out are active rentals.
[snorts]

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» Is that that's correct? Except the
>> Well, [clears throat]

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» anything with crosshatch is a rental.
So, it we didn't separate out whether

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it's a rental for single family. That's
more what this map does. Like a one unit

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» could be a single family rental. It
could also be for unrelated. We didn't

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» Okay. It gets too complicated to map
like all of the different use.

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» Okay. So, remind me of the single family
is how many people unrelated?

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» Single. So, if it's
>> So, the RP district allows single

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family, which doesn't it only allows for
[clears throat]

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» a mom and dad and a kid or something,
right?

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» Yeah. There's not occupancy limits on
family.

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» Okay. And so in the RP district, it
allows for single family and if it's a

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homeowner
property or a PR property, they can also

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have one additional occupant.
>> So they're asking for

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» not related.
>> That's not related.

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» So they're asking for two more
non-related people. We're looking at

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looking at this aspect of like a R2 or
something where they get to have one if

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they owner occupied one plus
>> three others for four unrelated. That's

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basically what we're
>> basically what doing

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» they want. Yeah. Three other people now
unrelated.

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» That's why we want the variance to do
that.

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» Yes.
Um, couple questions I have and

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if probably be good to get up there. Um,
and you answer it partly,

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I think.
Of course, I can't get to where I want

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to get to, but
>> we'll see. [clears throat]

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Bear with me.
So side note for Michelle. So everything

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around them is unrelated people as
rentals.

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» No. Anything on
>> like the people who are here right now,

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they have rental homes.
>> Yes.

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» They are not. They are having nonrelated
people in those homes.

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» Some of them.
>> So anything on this map that is green

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» Yeah.
>> or red, okay,

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» are single family homes. So on that
street there's really

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» bright red.
>> Anything that's bright green, light

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green, or bright red are single family
homes.

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» Okay.
>> Right.

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» And everything else in the pink with the
hashtag is

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» anything with the hash anything with the
hashtag is a rental. So we don't we in

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our system we classify rentals whether
they're a single family rental or a

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multifamily
rental, but it's too much to map

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» all around them. And you're saying all
the pink around them is RP also.

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» All of that that Yes. Everything shown
on the map that has a color is RP.

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[snorts]
>> So they have in those house in the pink

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if it's RP, the owner is in one of the
owners is in that and then they have

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other No. Okay.
>> No.

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» So
because because the RP district was new

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in 2007,
>> right? A lot of the properties in that

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area are multifamily or for unrelated
people,

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» okay,
>> are in those rentals. I just can't

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distinguish,
>> okay,

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» which ones are single family rentals and
which ones are not. We didn't

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» But the unit one, this map that showed
you the [clears throat] units,

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» right? I mean, if you have two, three,
and four units, they could still be

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single family units. Like, one of them
could be a single occupant or a two

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occupant that are family, but they're
likely more geared towards

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» Okay,
>> the four unrelated.

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» Okay,
>> but they're all rental.

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» But I didn't map bedrooms because it
gets confusing to map units and

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bedrooms.
>> Okay.

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» All right. I found it. Thanks for
filling some there. [laughter] I

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appreciate that.
Um,

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when it says the property could not be
reasonably used for the purpose

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permitted in the zone, can you elaborate
that because your answer was all homes

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on the street are college rentals andor
rentals?

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» Um,
>> could you say why?

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» It's sub. So, the home was in such a
deteriorated condition.

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It was I mean I know there was people
that were staying there periodically as

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they passed through town for their jobs
or at least that's what we were told but

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to live there it was really gross. There
was rodent droppings everywhere. Um

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» let me speak.
>> Excuse. So I did a lot of the work

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there. Um and of course hired out
licensed professionals.

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» I'm sorry. We still like to have you up
at the mic. It just makes it easier.

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So, as I stated, the home was in such
disrepair that in my opinion, I think a

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reasonable opinion would be it would be
very, very difficult for anyone to buy

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that home and first of all see all the
rentals around them and say, "I'm going

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to buy this and move my family of three
into here and fix it up because it

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needed a massive amount." There was
$15,000 worth of electric work done. Um,

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and that was pulled with the county on
the permits done the right way. um all

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new plumbing. So that was another
permit. It was not functional. It could

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not have no conventional loan would have
approved that um let alone a FHA loan

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because it was in such disrepair. So
that was when I made that statement that

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that's why it was just bringing the
whole neighborhood down. Um and never in

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a million years did we we would have
never bought it if we knew we couldn't

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rent. We were given misinformation. Not
that that's an excuse for us not doing

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our homework. No, I just wanted to know
why a single family would have, in your

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opinion, it would be difficult.
>> They wouldn't have the means to know how

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to fix up a house. I mean, it needed
everything. All new plumbing, all new

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electrical, all new flooring, all new
kitchen, bathrooms. Um, the average

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single family person wouldn't see the
equity they could build. Got

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» to do it. And because I swing a hammer
every day, I was able to make it make

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sense. And certainly since my my son's
going to live there, it made a little

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bit more sense. Um, and no, we don't
plan on buying any more rentals in Big

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Rapids. Okay.
>> For no other reason. We're just trying

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to make it affordable for our son.
>> Gotcha.

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» Um, also in regards to what he hit on
with the with the loans, so when a

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buyer, an average family wants to buy a
home, it's more than likely going to be

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a loan. Um, a conventional loan, an FHA
loan, um, probably would have been or a

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VA loan would have been the top three
types of, um, loans to purchase the

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property. All of those are going to have
an appraisal and the appraiser that

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comes through is also going to do a
health and safety inspection which would

419
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:35,840
not have passed. Um the conventional
loan is the least strict on that but

420
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,440
they still there was a handful of so
many things there. They would have

421
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:43,279
requested the seller to repair them in
order to underwrite the home. So it

422
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,320
would have needed to be a cash sale.
>> So this thing basically could have sat

423
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:49,360
there
>> yes

424
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,760
» forever. It did. It sat there for 15
years [laughter]

425
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:57,679
» and it would continue in my opinion it
would continue to sit there to infinity.

426
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,600
» Okay. I was just looking at that
question there.

427
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,480
» Yeah.
>> Anybody have other questions? Anything

428
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,799
else before?
>> Um, no. Not yet. No.

429
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:11,359
» Yeah.
>> You use a lot about, you know, you're

430
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:14,480
talking about beautifying the area.
Obviously, you're talking about the

431
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:17,599
outside, fixing it up, doing that kind
of stuff.

432
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:24,560
» Every We did everything. Yeah. And we
had on a cute side, Payton was doing

433
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:29,679
things at this home that he doesn't even
do at our house for us. So, I know he's

434
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:33,679
going to take care of it. Like he went
when we went to Lowe's, he picked out

435
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:38,159
the plants. I showed him how to, you
know, the landscaping rules, do it in

436
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:42,879
odd numbers, do it this way, you know,
and he he did all the edging. He did the

437
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:46,399
wood chips. He was he's he's so proud to
have that place that I know he's going

438
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,200
to continue to take good care of it.
Yeah.

439
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:50,200
» All right. Thanks.

440
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,320
» Okay.
>> Um,

441
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,320
» no, that's all right.
>> I just want to get the idea of why a

442
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:07,760
single family would have a difficult
time doing that or even someone with a

443
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:11,520
business or something like that since it
was RP.

444
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:16,079
» Looks like the the the listing was
removed in 2012.

445
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,800
So when they talk about 15 years, it's
about right. Uh

446
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,720
» yeah,
>> it was in bad shape. I live in the

447
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,599
neighborhood.
>> I can

448
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,680
tell.
>> Well, that's that helps me out a little

449
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,880
bit.
>> I was just going to say if you'd like

450
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,240
before and afters and but you already
addressed it. I had no

451
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,960
» It was in terrible shape.
>> Okay.

452
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,440
» Like
>> All right. Thank you.

453
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:45,119
» I know we're a small group. We still got
to go a little protocol here.

454
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:53,920
Um,
all the other places are basically

455
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:56,640
rentals in terms whether they're single
family or whatever, renting, that kind

456
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:59,839
of stuff.
>> Well, they're according to Michelle's

457
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:04,880
thing. I mean, they're pretty much
rentals if they're one or three units

458
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,320
all around them,
>> right?

459
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,880
» The only place that's not a rental is
the United Way.

460
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,079
» I mean, it's like it goes back other
ones where you have the bedroom and the

461
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:21,520
closet like making sure
>> the eyes are dotted for our you know our

462
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:27,359
pink spot for a bedroom and as we go
through that checklist

463
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:31,520
» and as long as you know
>> is anybody anybody living there now I

464
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,720
mean
>> son does the others are moving in the

465
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:41,280
next day or two
>> so staff

466
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:46,960
in trying to be cooperative I mean we
gave them a conditional certificate of

467
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:52,640
occupancy based on or not certificate of
occupancy. We don't issue those. We gave

468
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:55,920
them a conditional rental certificate
based on this meeting with the

469
00:36:54,079 --> 00:37:01,680
understanding that if this was voted
down, they have to be out in 30 days

470
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:07,200
because they had already had kids ready
to move in and we didn't

471
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,640
want to
>> didn't want people on the street.

472
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:15,119
» Right. We were trying [clears throat] to
be cooperative.

473
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:18,480
» Legally, we don't have to give them that
certificate

474
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,240
» until this was approved or denied.
>> Has um their rental person walk through

475
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:27,040
the house.
>> A rental person has walked through the

476
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,960
house. Yes.
>> Is this

477
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,240
» sound like that was a positive?
>> Yeah.

478
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:35,920
» Thing that one unit.
>> It is one unit. Yes.

479
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:39,720
» Basically a single family home with four
bedrooms.

480
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,720
» Yes.

481
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:49,680
What do you think, Jeff? What's your
opinion?

482
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:58,720
» Well,
I'm thinking if I'm wrong, all variances

483
00:37:53,839 --> 00:38:04,079
stay with the property, not the person.
in reading when I was reading through

484
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:08,400
the zoning board
documents

485
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:13,200
if we approved this
if I understand from what they say we

486
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:16,320
allow we can put a stipulation that it
cannot be broken up into multi-units in

487
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,000
the future
>> it can't be broken up to multi-units in

488
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:25,119
the future because zoning doesn't allow
it so you can add that stipulation but

489
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:31,599
» I'm my concern is it's like it's
wonderful that they did a great job But

490
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:37,359
if we approve this to be unrelated, they
sell it. The next guy might not be

491
00:38:34,796 --> 00:38:40,560
[laughter] as nice about it. You know, I
just want to make sure that it like they

492
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,680
can't be like because my biggest problem
with the multi-units, I don't really

493
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:48,640
have one with the number of people is
when they have like outside staircases

494
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:52,320
and they start putting 13 mailboxes up.
>> So, this isn't

495
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,240
» so my fear would be that someone would
buy it and do like what they've done to

496
00:38:53,680 --> 00:39:01,119
other houses where they chop it up.
This variance isn't asking for

497
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:04,640
multi-unit. It's asking for four
unrelated people.

498
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,920
» Yeah. Yeah. That's I mean it's that that
alone will be

499
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:12,560
» pretty much say this house has to stay
the way it is. You could just have two

500
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,680
buddies, three buddies, four people
living in your house with you, but it's

501
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,160
still a single family home with four.
>> It would be limited to four.

502
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,680
» And if it's fixed up and they decide to
sell it, maybe at that point a family

503
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,680
might buy it and want to live there. You
never know.

504
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:29,200
And that's still okay in that area.
>> Yeah.

505
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,599
» Yeah. Whether it's rental.
>> Yeah. Because you're worried about like

506
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,000
putting extra kitchens in and chopping
it up and things like that.

507
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:40,560
» Yeah.
>> I did go over and look at it and that

508
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,240
you did an outstanding job out of the
house.

509
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,640
» I did too.
>> And there is enough room for parking in

510
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:51,599
the back. I went and drove in the alley.
I was really pleased because I know how

511
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:54,640
it looked before and how long the whole
time I lived here. It's been like that.

512
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:57,520
That's what the other question I was
going to have. Is there enough room for

513
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,320
four?
>> I pulled the permit with them and they

514
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,839
approved it. I widened the driveway and
absolutely.

515
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,079
» Okay.
>> There is.

516
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,079
» So, that's already done.
>> Yes.

517
00:40:07,807 --> 00:40:12,960
[snorts]
>> Okay. Because I know when here it says

518
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,560
your plan was to increase it. So,
>> it's already been done.

519
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:21,040
» That's already been done.
>> My my worry is that we keep doing this

520
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:26,480
and it's all kid and grandfa like we're
always making exceptions.

521
00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:29,520
to the rules all the time is with RB.
>> But

522
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:37,800
» down down the road,
I hate going back this and I I want to

523
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,800
say this in the in the best way.

524
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:45,760
Trying to figure out how to say this and
not say it out on term. There's a

525
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,000
there's going to be a new master plan.
>> Yeah.

526
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:52,000
replaces
>> there's going to be a new zoning

527
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,480
» organiz new
okay

528
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,160
» there is a new master plan
>> I'm sorry

529
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:00,319
» there is a new master plan
>> there is a new plan but it it still says

530
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:02,960
on the TBD [clears throat] to be
determined when it's going to be

531
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,720
implemented
>> oh yes I see what you're saying I

532
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,960
thought you were saying we're getting a
new ordinance and like

533
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:15,928
» no did the master plan
>> and they talk about mixed uses in

534
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,760
properties and areas
>> [snorts]

535
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,839
» And there has been discussion in the
past that down the road I mean are

536
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,599
everybody that we're given variances to
or they just come in too early and they

537
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:30,319
decide oh let's just make this a mixed
use don't know that and I want to say

538
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:33,119
that I can't predict the future I don't
know how that's going to work out but

539
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:37,760
you never
>> and I guess I just wish the real estate

540
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:43,200
people would do more due diligence to
tell you know potential buyers that this

541
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:46,960
is what this zone is that's not fair to
any you know to anybody you know then

542
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,720
now they're trying to catch my due,
>> right?

543
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:55,520
» So, I wish that the I wish the realtor
people would get with the program

544
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,680
» to help out buyers like this is what
this is. This is what you can and can't

545
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:04,160
do. this is a pro process you go to the
city you know and that's I feel bad that

546
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:09,599
that happened to them that their their
seller didn't you know their

547
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,920
» the criteria that people can
>> do that and and granted it's still and

548
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,599
they've amended it's still up to the
owners

549
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:22,560
» right
>> to to uh figure out is this feasible

550
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:28,640
» feasible but when you again look around
and you find out you know 90% of this

551
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:30,960
» or 95% % of this
>> is already rentals of some form or

552
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,119
another.
>> Yeah. Why can't Yeah. Why can't I do it

553
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,839
kind of thing.
>> Yeah. So that's the balancing act.

554
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,200
» Are we changing? I don't No, we're not
changing anything. The city changes the

555
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,240
commission changes it,
>> right?

556
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,680
» That's what we do. We if if this is
reasonable for variance,

557
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,680
that's what we do,
>> right? As long as like Jeff said, it

558
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:56,640
stays with that. You know, the property
doesn't change later on,

559
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,359
» right? Well, I mean, it does change. I
I've seen that. I've been here, you

560
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,160
know, we've all been here for a long
time.

561
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,359
» Yeah.
>> That when

562
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:09,920
And we're we're a university town.
Parents buy homes. They in whatever

563
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960
part.
>> I know. I did. I [clears throat] bought

564
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,599
a house for my son to go to Ferris
>> and then it and it changed.

565
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,359
» But I had no rentals though. I just
stayed here.

566
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,160
» I stayed here. Yeah. [laughter] I
graduated. I stayed. So, yeah.

567
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:24,880
» But I've seen people come and go.
>> Yeah. you know, that's what they do. And

568
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:29,440
it's still up to us. You know, if this
happens again and they leave,

569
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,560
» someone else comes in, they're going to
ask for something,

570
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,800
» right?
>> And

571
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:41,040
it may be,
you know, whoever's on the board when

572
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:45,119
that happens make this decision.
>> What do you think, Deb?

573
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:49,760
I don't personally see any reason why
they shouldn't be able to.

574
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:55,599
» No one can hear.
I I don't have any problem with with

575
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:59,119
them doing that. My neighbor um they did
the same thing there. Bought the house

576
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:03,200
and then rented it to their child and a
few of his buddies so that they could

577
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,359
split the cost and and make it more
affordable for everybody to go to

578
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:12,560
college and get their degree and when
they were done they sold the house. Um

579
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:17,200
you know and uh we have a nice family
that lives there now and so I don't I

580
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:22,480
don't have problem with it. If this was
changed and the variance was granted and

581
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:26,240
they sell another owner could come in
and say now we can rent it to four other

582
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,560
people or three other people or
whatever.

583
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,560
» Four.
>> You can have four unrelated,

584
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:36,400
» right? I mean, usually a son or a
daughter lives there and then three

585
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:41,440
other people
or is it does that make it five?

586
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,440
» Be still four. It's four no matter
whether four.

587
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,560
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Whether the I got you. I

588
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:52,240
understand that.
Um,

589
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:56,079
but they could sell it and then a family
buys it and wants to live there. That's

590
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:00,319
still reasonable.
>> I mean, that's still a doable thing in

591
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,400
that location.
>> So,

592
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:08,800
» yeah,
>> at that point. Mhm.

593
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:15,400
» And if you look at the long term, if you
look at the long-term master plan and

594
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,400
read through it, which I have,

595
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:22,560
these are some of the areas where we're
trying to have a relationship with

596
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:25,760
Ferris where students
have not that we're saying we limit it

597
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:28,800
to students. Anybody can live there. We
can't we can't say who can live in

598
00:45:28,106 --> 00:45:33,680
[clears throat] the house.
>> Oh, understood. But but as long as

599
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:38,480
students are in that area, they're
closer to campus, they're downtown. This

600
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:43,760
is kind of what the talk was when we
were going through this master plan. And

601
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:47,119
it just seems like trying to look
forward.

602
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:55,760
» We're trying [snorts] to make it look
like that. I'm not saying RP is

603
00:45:50,960 --> 00:46:00,800
archaic, but it if I understand some of
the history of that, there's not too

604
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:05,460
many cities that have an RP
type thing

605
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:08,640
or RP zone. Am I correct in saying that
[snorts] or incorrect?

606
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,880
» Um,
I mean,

607
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:21,359
» I don't know. It's such it it is a
unique type of district um to allow the

608
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:28,480
residential and professional. So to
allow

609
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:34,800
minor businesses and residential uses
um most zoning districts would be

610
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:40,240
classified more as a a like a
neighborhood mixed use like a small

611
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:45,397
scale mixeduse type district but
>> like a medium density or something like

612
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:52,160
that. Yeah. Um,
[clears throat] but as far as like how

613
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:57,040
many other places have RP district, like
something similar to ours,

614
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,079
» it's very detailed.
>> Yeah. [snorts]

615
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:08,000
» On what you can do like
>> in the RP district. It was definitely

616
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:11,040
written for purpose when they did it.
>> Yeah.

617
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,880
» Okay.
I mean, that's that's that's been my

618
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:19,599
thinking the last few years of what
we're trying to do in the future and how

619
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:23,760
things are happening. And, you know, I
think the city's going to look at that

620
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:28,480
probably in my opinion. I could be wrong
and I don't want to speak for anybody

621
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:32,520
else except for myself.
Um, so

622
00:47:32,557 --> 00:47:36,280
[snorts] going through the standards,

623
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,720
the property could not be reasonably
used for the purpose permitted in that

624
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:48,880
zone.
There wasn't anything in here for us.

625
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:54,319
Um,
now listening to him, I could see why.

626
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:57,920
The place was pretty well run down
against the property was previously

627
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:03,119
conforming. I didn't quite understand
this property was previously conforming

628
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:09,520
and can continue to be used as a single
family home either as a rental or owner

629
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:13,440
occupied rental with one person
>> or a single family

630
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:17,480
» single family.
Okay, I get it.

631
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:24,640
So I can understand, you know, like I
say, if that was

632
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:29,200
in really bad shape.
Number two, that the appeal results from

633
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:33,280
the unique circumstances peculiar to the
property and not from general

634
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,240
neighborhood conditions. When looking at
nearby property uses, it's

635
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:40,960
understandable that one would think that
they could use it. I look at the map, it

636
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:45,119
says there's a lot of rental going on in
that area.

637
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:48,480
» It does. Zoning applies to all
properties in the neighborhood and it is

638
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:53,559
the buyer's responsibility to check the
zoning.

639
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:53,559
That's true.

640
00:48:54,720 --> 00:49:00,079
But
they were also given some information

641
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:03,040
that might have been that they thought
was okay until it wasn't

642
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,319
» right. Yeah. You'd think with your
realtor that they would know what

643
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:10,160
they're talking about in their area.
>> Well, that's what I kind of feel about

644
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:12,240
these real estate people are just
>> Yeah.

645
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:16,559
» want a quick buck. I hate to say it that
way. And they're not informing all these

646
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:20,880
buyers coming to the city saying, "Hey,
this is in XYZ zone. You better check it

647
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,000
out. What is your intentions?"
>> Right.

648
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,720
» Yeah. Yeah,
>> you know that kind of thing.

649
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:30,319
» Well, I was a landlord for a year and a
half when I sold my house and we rented

650
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:34,240
it out and there are really nice
landlords around here.

651
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,480
» No, I understand. I mean, I just felt
bad that the seller

652
00:49:35,699 --> 00:49:40,040
[clears throat and snorts]
>> was informed them

653
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,240
here. [clears throat]
They were been reported from represent.

654
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:50,000
» Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
exactly.

655
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:54,960
» So, anyway, that's that's sidear
>> our issue. Um the use requested by the

656
00:49:53,200 --> 00:50:00,160
variance would not alter the basic
character of the area. Uh many of the

657
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:07,040
surrounding surrounding properties are
already un unrelated occupant rentals.

658
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:10,800
Um wouldn't all Yeah, I don't think it
would also basically it sounds like they

659
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:16,400
fix it. I drove by it. It looks really
good. I'd live there.

660
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:23,040
» I mean I went in the front and the back
and it was in really good shape. It may

661
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:27,200
be available in a few years. [laughter]
>> Likely will be.

662
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:31,599
» Son's always looking for a place.
>> Otherwise, [clears throat] it would have

663
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:36,160
been condemned in the future. It was
>> okay. Well, against the attempt for

664
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:40,800
creation of the RP zone when created was
limited unrelated document dwellings in

665
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:47,359
the area and encouraged the shift to
single family dwellings. if that was

666
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:53,960
essentially the intent. Has time gone by
and enough things change that sometimes

667
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,960
change is good?

668
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,200
» I mean, it could have been zoned R1 to
begin with one, but it wasn't.

669
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:10,079
» And the alleged hardship had not been
created by any persons presently having

670
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:15,680
interest in the property.
Well, I guess they should have been

671
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,680
consulted or or looked into a little
deeper.

672
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,200
Um, but again, given other information,

673
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:32,520
any questions on that or anything like
No questions on this.

674
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:41,359
And then the recommendation from the
staff was, which I kind of circled up,

675
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:45,680
staff cannot recommend outright
approval.

676
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:48,160
Words mean something. So if you read
anything into it, they couldn't

677
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:51,359
recommend outright approval. They didn't
say no approval.

678
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:55,119
» They just said outright approval,
>> right?

679
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:59,359
» Um, which gives us three things. We can
approve it. We can approve it with

680
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:05,680
conditions.
And we can deny it. My thought was if we

681
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:10,480
approve with conditions before I heard
that the parking lot was already fixed

682
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:15,200
up that we had to make sure that the
parking lot

683
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:20,319
had four spots.
>> Right. Well, my other thing too would be

684
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:26,280
that make sure it was rental inspected
that it was conforming to the city's

685
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,280
rental.

686
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,400
That was my question. That was
>> you know that it was everything passed

687
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:40,000
» and everything passed. Yes. Yeah.
>> So, it's like

688
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:44,800
one through 10 checks off but then Oh,
man. Just forgot to really dig deeper.

689
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,359
» It's like nine out of 10.
>> Yeah.

690
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:55,520
Y we're ready for [snorts] a motion.
>> We have to read the American what what

691
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,040
we want to do.
>> Um

692
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,599
» so when you go back and look at the
other thing uh these these four bullet

693
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:09,680
points ensure that the public services
and facilities affect is if we had any

694
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:13,839
kind of uh
um conditions are put to it. We have to

695
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:19,040
ensure that the public services facil
facilities affected by the proposal land

696
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:23,440
use or activity will be capable of
accommodating increased service and

697
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:30,079
facility loads caused by the land use or
activity. They're asking for four people

698
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:35,839
to be there. It looks like they did that
by increasing the parking or making sure

699
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:40,160
that four people can park there.
Says protect the natural environment and

700
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:45,760
conserve natural resources and energy.
Sounds like they upgraded everything and

701
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:52,520
did the property and made that look
really good. So, it's protecting the

702
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,520
natural environment,

703
00:53:53,680 --> 00:54:01,920
ensure cap uh compatibility with
adjacent use of the land.

704
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,800
They're all rentals
and some of them look pretty good, too.

705
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:10,160
I mean, actually, a lot of them look
pretty good in that area. So, it sounds

706
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:13,559
like that area is trying to keep things
Yeah.

707
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,559
» Shape

708
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:22,240
promote the use of land in a socially
and economically desirable manner.

709
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:26,640
Well,
income to the city. People are walking.

710
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:31,200
People are in that area. We're going to
get four people that are going to walk

711
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:34,400
downtown and buy stuff.
That's got to help the economics a

712
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:40,240
little bit. You say it's only three
people or four people. Multiply that by

713
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,960
how many other people there are
>> that's going to be doing the same thing

714
00:54:42,242 --> 00:54:46,227
[clears throat and cough] especially
this time of year. [snorts]

715
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:54,559
» So I can't you know you were mentioning
you were mentioning approval with

716
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:59,599
conditions of not jing it up.
>> Well I just want to that my only concern

717
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:04,000
» want to open the door for somebody to
come and just butcher it.

718
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:09,839
» Somebody else would have to come in and
>> I'm fine with it. for that.

719
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:14,960
» Let's make a motion.
>> Do I Jeff?

720
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:18,720
» I motion pass it for four unrelated
people the way it is.

721
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:22,319
» I'll second. I'll second it.
>> Okay. So, this is where this is where it

722
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:29,440
is. The motion approves the application.
I move that the use variance application

723
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:32,800
for 318 Ives Avenue 7-14-132-013
be approved to allow four unrelated

724
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:40,240
tenants. The application meets the
standards set section 13.5

725
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:43,839
and 13.7 of the zoning ordinance.
That's the motion.

726
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:46,240
» Yes.
>> Yes.

727
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:48,960
» There was a motion. There was a second.
>> Yes.

728
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,480
» Lumpy.
>> Yes.

729
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:51,760
» Einstrom.
>> Yes.

730
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:53,280
» Walton.
>> Yes.

731
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,079
» Nicholas. [cough]
>> Yes. [clears throat]

732
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,440
» Yes.
>> Passes.

733
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,119
» Passes.
>> Good. Thank you.

734
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:05,280
» Thank you.
Thank you.

735
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:09,599
» So, I'll have Craig probably it won't be
tomorrow, but um probably get in touch

736
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,680
with you guys next week.
>> I know we're not done yet.

737
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,920
» Thank you, Michelle.
>> You're welcome.

738
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,480
» Michelle,
>> is there any other thing going on that

739
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,720
anybody
>> funny backtory to this

740
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:29,040
» only if you guys have question
>> is there Mark to stay and teach about

741
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:33,119
[laughter]
>> Yeah. I'd really love.

742
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:35,680
» Is there going to be like a informative
>> card too cuz we're going to be neighbors

743
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,839
master plan or
>> sure your boy could take care.

744
00:56:37,524 --> 00:56:42,000
[laughter]
>> Well, all your rentals look great.

745
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:45,440
» Oh, your rentals look great. You've
updated me so nicely.

746
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:49,359
» I'm still trying to do some business.
So, if you want to talk that way,

747
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:53,520
» appreciate it. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you very much. You're welcome. So,

748
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:58,799
I can kind of give you a rundown on some
of the stuff in we've been talking about

749
00:56:56,319 --> 00:57:04,480
in the new zoning ordinance or like
where we're at in the process. Um, if we

750
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:09,280
don't have a case next month, I might
bring the section to the of from the for

751
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,799
the ZBA, like the section of the
ordinance for the ZBA for you guys to

752
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:17,839
review. Our planning commission has
already reviewed it. Um, and that was

753
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:23,119
one of their suggestions and I kind of
forgot about it until tonight's meeting.

754
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:27,520
So, um, we I can do that if you guys
want to have a meeting next month and I

755
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:31,200
can I'll email you out what we have as a
final draft right now for the section on

756
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:35,359
the ZBA for you guys.
>> So, like a working review type thing.

757
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:40,960
There's nothing on the dock in terms of
>> not that I have filed yet. So, and they

758
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:46,000
still have there's like two weeks left
before someone has to file. So,

759
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:51,760
» and nothing we would vote on.
>> Not right now. on

760
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:56,160
» if you to review the zoning ordinance or
to review the section on the ZVA. It's

761
00:57:53,839 --> 00:58:00,720
nothing you have to vote on. It's just,
you know, this is going to be the

762
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:04,079
section that applies to how this board
operates and what it's looking at and

763
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,640
what it's reviewing.
>> I think it's good to do that.

764
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:08,640
» So,
>> well, I'd like to do that. I'd like to

765
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,799
know. I mean,
>> yeah, it's it's going to affect you. So,

766
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:15,760
that would be a good spot to give.
You're saying you just want to do a

767
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,280
meeting next month regardless of if it
the next two weeks somebody comes in

768
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,440
there might be something to do but we're
going to have the meeting regardless so

769
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,280
we can go over that.
>> Y

770
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:27,280
um otherwise
>> a month

771
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,359
» can we push well
>> that's going to work for me to be here

772
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:36,480
» make it a different day. I can make it a
different day because it's we don't get

773
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:40,720
another filing, which I don't
>> I don't know of anything coming down the

774
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:46,960
pike. And usually I have a decent idea
of what's coming, but I don't know of

775
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:53,359
anything right now. Um so if we get if
we don't get another filing, I can pick

776
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:57,280
like we can work on a different day um
or a different week because it's just a

777
00:58:55,359 --> 00:59:01,680
work session for you guys. It's not a
public hearing.

778
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:05,760
» That's what I'm looking at. So otherwise
for our zoning ordinance, we

779
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,280
» much better
>> are cruising [clears throat]

780
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:17,520
through starting to gain some really
good momentum. Um and how we're doing it

781
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:22,400
is the steering committee for the zoning
ordinance is meeting once a month and

782
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:27,599
going through a couple sections or a
section depending on how big they are

783
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:32,160
every month. And then we have started
taking the sections the steering

784
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,680
committee has completed and taking them
piece by piece to the planning

785
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:40,000
commission so that the planning
commission isn't going to get a 300page

786
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:44,960
document and have to review it all at
once. So

787
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:50,799
» we're probably about halfway to 3/4 of
the way through with the planning

788
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:57,680
commission. Um, our goal is to have it
wrapped up by December and hopefully

789
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:01,359
adopted in December, maybe January. It's
going to get kind of just depends how

790
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,280
things go.
>> There doesn't have to be any more

791
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:08,000
public.
>> There doesn't have to be any more public

792
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:10,720
input sessions, but we do have to have a
public hearing on it.

793
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:16,480
» Got.
>> So, the planning commission will hold a

794
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:20,799
public hearing. Um, I haven't decided
yet or we haven't decided yet if we want

795
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:27,280
to do like an openhouse to give people
an opportunity to look at some of the

796
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:33,040
language that, you know, everyone's
interested in how it affects them. Um,

797
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:37,599
and so to look at, you know, some of
that language or if we just do it at a

798
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:41,280
public hearing,
I'll probably lean on my planning

799
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:46,079
commission on how they want to handle
that and city commission. Um, so that's

800
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:51,760
where we're at. We're hoping to have a
new ordinance next year.

801
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:54,720
» That's good. That's good because I'm I
don't want to keep on saying, "Hey,

802
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:58,079
there's this coming. There's this
coming." [laughter]

803
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:04,400
I'm trying not to I'm trying
>> It's a It's a long process. They put in

804
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:07,280
a lot of meetings and it's very tedious
>> meetings. When I looked at when we did

805
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,599
it, that was all that was like three
years ago.

806
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:14,240
» Yeah. um
>> the committee.

807
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:19,200
» They've made a lot of changes that one
bring our ordinance more up to date with

808
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:27,040
new kind of things that are going on
>> and also made some changes to um make

809
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:32,799
sure we're following adopted laws. Um
cuz a lot of our ordinance was

810
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:36,720
peacemealed over the years, which is not
like a dig. All ordinances are that way.

811
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:42,880
It just happens,
>> you know, 100 years. Yeah. And so, you

812
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:47,839
know, getting all that cleaned up into,
you know, new processes that are

813
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:51,119
following the w the more modern ways of
doing it is going to be helpful.

814
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,319
» Okay.
>> Right.

815
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,160
» Um, due to Wendy's schedule, um, do you
have

816
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,280
» just next month? Yeah,
>> just next month, September 23rd open,

817
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,119
Michelle,
>> let me look. It's a Wednesday.

818
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:07,760
» Better double check here.
>> Can I help you? Do you have it open? too

819
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,440
much. She has somewhere else to be on
Thursday. So she

820
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:14,160
» on that day
>> on that day on the 24th.

821
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:17,359
» So to be included Yeah. to be included
in it.

822
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,119
» Wednesday, September 23rd will not work
for me.

823
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:22,480
» Would not work for you.
>> Wednesdays aren't good for me in

824
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:25,040
September.
>> What about um

825
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:29,839
» Sorry.
>> Okay. That's why we're

826
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:33,200
» um Do you have October 1st? Is that too
late, Michelle? October. the next

827
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,920
Thursday after.
>> No, as long as it's early October.

828
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,839
» Everything is pink.
>> Or do you would you rather do the 17th?

829
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:43,680
» That's a Thursday. Do you have that open
Wendy?

830
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:47,280
» The 17th.
>> Um,

831
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:51,160
» the week before September.
>> What time? Um,

832
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:57,760
» are we talking in the evening?
>> So, I've been holding my planning

833
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:02,799
commission work sessions at 5:30.
>> So, it would be in the evening. Yeah.

834
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,839
You okay that day?
>> I'm retired. I'm good for

835
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:10,640
» Yeah, I'm good, too. I just I was making
sure Wendy can attend.

836
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:13,280
» Does the 5:30 work for everyone? It just
then you get in and out. It will only

837
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,119
» Are you good, Jeff, with that?
>> I can't imagine it's going to take

838
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:19,680
forever.
>> No, I think and I'll send it to you

839
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:24,000
beforehand, so it's not like you won't
have you'll have won't have it blind. Um

840
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:29,280
» I think it's like
>> Thursday the 17th at 5:30.

841
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:32,559
» Okay, how that works. Um,
>> no.

842
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,480
» It takes it will take us maybe a half an
hour if that.

843
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,720
» Okay.
>> Say October 17th.

844
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,480
» No, September.
>> September. Okay.

845
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:44,960
» I might meant September.
>> Thank you.

846
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:50,319
» Thank you all for
working around. It's

847
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,640
» November's here. It be a lot easier.
>> I can't think of anything else. Is that

848
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,720
it?
>> That's all I've got.

849
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:56,960
» Okay.
>> Okay.

850
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:02,039
» Ajourn.
>> All right. Thank you. [clears throat]

851
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,039
» Y