[0:00] [Music]
[0:20] Sorry. Thank you for the update. Uh
Shannon, can we have a roll call,
[0:23] please? Councelor Leman here.
Waller. Mayor Bondic here. Council,
[0:30] uh, please stand if you're able and join
me for the pledge of
[0:34] allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the
flag of the United States of America and
[0:40] to the republic for which it stands, one
nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:47] liberty and justice for
[0:51] all. Okay. Item four, agenda approval.
Make a motion to approve the agenda.
[0:57] Been a motion to approve the agenda as
presented.
[1:02] There's been a motion to approve the
agenda as presented.
[1:17] regular.
There's already a motion. So, you have
[1:20] to Is that all right under your Yeah.
[1:26] Yes. We'll need a second.
[1:31] So, we will There's been a motion and a
second. We will add
[1:36] on
items 7 A and 7B.
[1:42] uh the council meeting minutes from
February and the PUC building update.
[1:48] Any more
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
[1:53] Opposed? Motion carries. Moving on to
um consent
[2:02] agenda. We have a motion to approve the
consent.
[2:08] Sorry. Have a motion and second to
approve the consent agenda. Um any
[2:13] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
I opposed. Motion
[2:19] carries. Um consent agenda items. Uh
item seven uh 7 to8 meeting minutes from
[2:27] February. Mic, please.
[2:32] All right. Um, the reason I had this
called is there's a mistake because
[2:36] councilman was here and he's not listed
as being here present. February I was
[2:41] gone. March of March. Oh, March. Did I
say February? Sorry. March.
[2:50] So there this correction
[3:03] confused me too because usually we add
it to the end of the meeting, right? We
[3:07] turned it we we changed that agenda uh
in the past so we could uh um get right
[3:13] to it versus waiting until the end while
it's So do we have to make a motion to
[3:18] approve? Yeah, we could make a motion to
approve with the correction
[3:24] support. Uh been a motion and second to
approve the March minutes of the council
[3:29] meeting. Uh is there any
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
[3:35] Motion carries. Uh
[3:43] oh, that's what and I forgot to do that
too. That we're all goofed up. That one
[3:46] thing just I'll jump back to that in
just a minute. So um good catch. Um uh
[3:54] then we'll move on to 7B for now. The
uh DC building update. Councelor Ward
[4:01] again. Okay. So, the reason I had this
pulled is um I I guess I just have I
[4:08] have a couple comments to make. It's I
know this is really a mess trying to
[4:12] find the title and all this and that and
I think if this cannot be cleared up
[4:17] within a couple months, I mean, he's
been using this building for 18 years.
[4:22] Um, only paying utilities as far as I
understand, no rent. You say that
[4:27] there's a lease here. So, is there a
signed lease? And what did what does the
[4:31] lease say?
[4:35] Yeah.
[4:41] Um, just that he uses those premises for
and pays utilities. It's the lease is
[4:46] it's a one pager and it's not. It
doesn't fill the whole page.
[4:52] paragraph. Okay. And Kathy had stated
that the roof is leaking. Um so who who
[4:59] takes care of the maintenance on the
[5:04] tenant has done that. He has done that.
Um because I mean if this is going to be
[5:08] dragging on for months then I think we
need to start looking at having a lease
[5:14] signed or some charging rent. So then if
there is are things that need to be
[5:18] fixed that we have some money to cover
those
[5:21] expenditures. So that's what I want.
[5:27] Absolutely. And I agree with her. I
[5:48] got I'm sorry. then we need to look at
another option of getting that's one on
[5:55] my objection to the building ever had a
grant and and right now this is a very
[6:03] unique situation right now what we have
is the the PUC is leasing the building
[6:09] to somebody for the cost of utilities
even
[6:13] though it's a city-owned building but we
don't have anything that shows that and
[6:19] it appears that it's not on city land.
So, it's
[6:24] and we know that we we've got pretty
good now. We know it's not sitting on
[6:28] city land. We're we're pretty sure now
because I when I saw the picture, I
[6:32] asked Jeff and he said, "No, this
they're saying is accurate and it does
[6:36] not. It's a tax forfeited land."
Yeah. And I don't know where it's going
[6:41] to shake out. I understand this sounds
really odd,
[6:46] but I don't know how a lease on this a
proper lease on this building will work
[6:53] or would work.
It's it's not in our land. We got a
[7:00] problem. I mean, I understand about the
rack and all that. We have problem,
[7:04] right? And I'm going to get into we're
getting into the weeds on discussion
[7:07] here of something that just needs to be
that was reported to be vital. So, um I
[7:11] assume that the ongoing
uh work is being done and and hopefully
[7:15] we'll have an update soon. So,
talk
[7:19] about speak again or
[Music]
[7:30] second. Have a motion and second to uh
accept the report that was pulled. Uh
[7:35] any discussion hearing none. All in
favor? opposed. Motion carries. Uh
[7:41] jumping back to number six, we threw uh
or I'm sorry, number five. Um it is
[7:47] sexual assault awareness month. Um and
we have a mayoral proclamation here and
[7:52] I apologize for goofing that up on the
agenda. I'm not used to doing these in
[7:55] the beginning. So whereas sexual assault
awareness month is intended to bring
[7:59] awareness to the fact that sexual
violence is widespread and is a public
[8:03] health concern for individuals,
families, community members, and committ
[8:06] communities as a whole. Whereas child
sexual abuse, exploitation, rape, and
[8:11] sexual harassment impact all communities
as seen by the national statistics. One
[8:15] in three girls and one in six boys will
be sexually violated by the age of 18.
[8:19] One in five children is solicited
sexually while on the internet. Onethird
[8:23] of all sexual violence cases in north
northern St. Louis County happened to
[8:26] children 17 years and younger. Whereas
in fiscal 2024, our local sexual assault
[8:31] program of northern St. County has
worked with more than 391 primary and
[8:36] secondary crime victims of sexual
violence whom reside in the car
[8:40] communities. The program has provided
more than 12,700 documented trauma and
[8:44] victim focus advocacy services with
these crime
[8:48] victims. Whereas staff, board members,
and volunteers of our local antisexual
[8:52] violence program, the sexual assault
program of Northern St. County encourage
[8:56] every person to speak out when
witnessing acts of violence, however
[8:59] small, to help survivors connect with
community allies. Whereas we must work
[9:04] together to educate, engage communities
in sexual violence awareness and
[9:08] prevention and to believe, listen,
learn, and support its victims and
[9:12] family members. Whereas a growing number
of Minnesota leaders are committed to
[9:17] sexual violence prevention. And whereas
all motans must be part of the solution
[9:21] to eliminate crimes of sexual violence.
Therefore, I as mayor of city of Lavik,
[9:25] Minnesota, do hereby proclaim the month
of April in the year of 2025 as sexual
[9:34] assault. Uh, I don't believe we need
[9:38] approval. All right, moving on. I'm
going to close the regular council
[9:43] meeting and open it up for the nuisance
hearing at 1809.
[9:52] First, I'll ask is there a
representative of the property located
[9:55] at 102 or I'm sorry, 101 Second Avenue
South. Um, there is not.
[10:04] uh council, the um in your packet there
is
[10:09] a letter that was sent to the property
owner. Uh photographs that were taken um
[10:16] and then prior to the meeting, the
updated photographs were presented
[10:22] uh as well
as some photographs shown to all of us
[10:26] by the neighbor um that he took five
minutes before coming here.
[10:32] So, does anybody have
[10:36] any comments on the
property? I just have one. This has been
[10:44] an ongoing problem since I've been on
the
[10:48] count
and we need we need to take care of. I
[10:55] mean, I don't know what else to think.
It needs to be taken care of. It's an
[10:58] ongoing problem. Not saying she, but a
lot of people do just enough to get by
[11:04] and then it goes back right to where it
was trouble
[11:09] again. And I' I've driven by this
multiple times.
[11:14] Oh, yeah. I know that place and it it
needs to stop.
[11:19] Well, there's a lot of properties in
town that we can work on. Well, I know,
[11:22] but higher priority than others. This is
a frequent flyer. So, yeah, good.
[11:28] So, is that a motion? Yeah, please. A
motion. We have a motion to abate. Is
[11:33] there a second? I'll second. We have a
motion and a second to abate the
[11:36] property at 101 Second Avenue South. Is
there any discussion?
[11:41] Hearing none. All in favor?
Opposed. Motion carries. I will close
[11:46] the nuisance hearing and reopen the
council meeting at
[11:51] 1811. U item nine, presentations. There
were no pre-registered presentations for
[11:56] us. Um, and we'll move into mayor and
council member
[12:00] reports. These are that's for Did you
pre-register?
[12:16] Well, we do public input at the for the
open forum.
[12:33] Um, I will allow it. Please go to the
podium. Turn the microphone
[12:41] on. We do generally have a Just click
the the square big square button one
[12:46] time. There you go. All right. Am I
good? Yes.
[12:51] All right.
Uh so I represent the uh uh SD2
[12:57] committee for the strategic plan having
to do with economic development and
[13:01] housing and uh the purpose of why giving
this presentation now is because uh
[13:08] developments have happened regarding the
school sites.
[13:12] Um, we all know uh that that uh the NTS
borings have shown that we've got some
[13:20] brownfield uh sites on on each side and
uh and we thought that that was just it
[13:27] and that
uh that somehow these were going to be
[13:32] remedied. Well, as it turns out, the
county is not going to remedy these. Uh
[13:38] Patty and I were at a Brownfield
conference in Virginia. Uh and uh it was
[13:46] councelor Wallard's assessment that the
city needed to be to find a developer to
[13:53] buy the property in order to get to
remediate the the uh uh brownfield
[13:59] sites. Well, in some respects that is
true, but I also know in from a person
[14:07] at the at the conference that the city
can declare itself as a developer or buy
[14:13] the property period. So, not going into
all the the weeds as uh the mayor has
[14:21] said about some other issues here. I'm
asking the council to give some
[14:26] consideration to having special session
just to talk about how we're going to
[14:30] how the city wants to handle this
land. Uh and it really comes down to
[14:37] some very basic questions. Number one,
is the city interested in buying the
[14:42] land?
Number two is there are all kinds of
[14:48] ramifications of the city buying the
land and what it's able to do. And the
[14:54] third point
is is what kind of control does the city
[14:59] want to have if it doesn't buy the land.
So what councelor Waller
[15:08] uh Oral March and myself have put
together along with uh Jeff is a
[15:15] flowchart of all kinds of and it's
exploded that it's it's actually gotten
[15:20] quite large based upon looking at
different options and this special
[15:26] meeting would essentially look at this
as kind of the basis for asking your
[15:31] questions so that you'll be better
informed.
[15:34] when it comes to making a decision about
what you'd like to do with this
[15:38] land. And the last point I'll bring up
in context here is that what we thought
[15:45] was going to be the case in that that
the council or the city would get the
[15:50] property or be offered the property or
the city would reach out to the county
[15:54] is no longer the case. the Supreme Court
case uh that that was ruled a few uh a
[16:02] couple years ago or just this past year
indicated now that tax forfeit land
[16:08] between 2016 and
2024 all must go to auction. So we don't
[16:15] have any first uh first dibs on that
property.
[16:21] I got this information last Friday.
Chris Johnson who works for the county
[16:27] and so uh I wanted to get this
information out so that you can make a
[16:32] motion hopefully make a motion or have a
discussion about this special meeting
[16:37] because I think we need to walk it
through as part of what the council
[16:41] needs and what we can provide as uh the
SD2 committee to you and that's that's
[16:47] really our mandate there is to give to
do the research. So that's all I have.
[16:52] If there are any questions, uh happy to
address
[16:57] them. Thank
you. Okay, moving on to mayor and
[17:02] council member reports. Uh we will start
council. Uh I don't have
[17:09] anything
[17:18] councel with this.
already mentioned about the depot being
[17:22] taxed forfeited land. There's other tax
for land which is the school property.
[17:28] Okay. We also Jeff found out not we Jeff
found out about Aurora having tax
[17:33] forfeited land. And so um we want to go
to the county. We want to talk about
[17:38] these pieces of land and incorporate the
depot with that. And so he and I if you
[17:44] me would like to work with Jeff on this
tax forfeited land and see if we can get
[17:48] it cleaned up. We believe after talking
Jeff and I talking we believe we can
[17:53] have more of an influence if we combine
all this tax forfeited land that is in
[17:58] wavik and uh town of white and I can't
remember was there one in white lakes so
[18:04] we think we can do more if we group
everything with the depot go to this
[18:09] meeting and push it forward so I would
like the council approval to work with
[18:13] Jeff on the tax for the land of the
areas I mentioned above plus part of the
[18:18] other citizens or council members groups
in the other community to do that.
[18:23] That's what I'm asking about.
[18:27] I have no problem in the general
consent.
[18:31] Yeah, I'm fine with that. It's probably
a good idea to get it bundled together
[18:34] and get it done and over with and then
we'll Yes. And don't expect miracles
[18:39] here. Um this is government, but I give
you a monthly report and let you know
[18:44] how we Okay. just like I did with this
last. Sounds great.
[18:53] Is that all you had?
[18:57] Sounds good. Councelor Waller. Okay.
Last month we signed an agreement with
[19:01] Wasabi East to provide services for the
youth activities coordinator position
[19:06] and I had asked how many biwic youth are
served. Um and we didn't have an answer.
[19:14] Well, I did ask Mark Gert and he cannot
provide us with the number of by youth
[19:19] that participate. Um, he did say that he
provides Jeff with the report every time
[19:25] they have a meeting. So, when was the
last time you received a report?
[19:38] It seems like it's been a while since
we've had that information. Um, so I I
[19:44] wasn't sure. I couldn't recall, but I he
said in order to get that information
[19:49] about how many biologists, he would have
to go through and like look at each
[19:54] person that signs up and and their
address to get that. So, I just wanted
[19:59] to give everybody an update on that. Um,
okay. Okay. And then a citizen contacted
[20:04] me wondering why Bowavic did not
participate in the statewide tornado
[20:09] awareness program on April 10th. The
siren should have been activated at 1:45
[20:14] and 6:45 and neither of them
were. Who is responsible for that?
[20:35] Okay. Well, they were really upset
because they said they had their family
[20:39] ready at 6:45 to practice the drill and
the sirens were activated. That's not
[20:46] automatic.
[21:18] Are you the emergency management
director in town?
[21:22] No.
[21:29] Okay. Okay.
[22:09] I can think of a lot better things to
spend 20 grand on. I I guess it's just I
[22:13] mean it's supposed to be a statewide
thing and if like Jeff if you normally
[22:18] do it and you know you're not going to
care if you could make somebody else
[22:22] maybe do it. Um, I know at school we
always all had to, you
[22:28] know, um, and then I did want to say
that when Dave spoke, um, as far as the
[22:35] brownfield sites, you you have to have a
developer in order to get funding that
[22:41] that's, you know, that that was what
that was about. But then I just want to
[22:45] kind of know how does the council feel
about having a working session on this?
[22:50] Is it something we want to do
or how do we feel about it? We want to
[22:56] set set a working session to discuss
school sites and closing and
[23:03] we we do have the on the council
workshop agenda here coming up. There's
[23:08] going to be a few other things on this
one that are pretty time sensitive. So,
[23:14] um I'm not opposed to a discussion on
that near future.
[23:19] Um, yeah, we'll just have to I think
maybe discuss put it on his agenda for
[23:25] next month. Okay. Because I guess I just
don't want I mean I think the council
[23:32] should all be on the same page. We
should all have the same
[23:37] like building.
Thank you.
[23:44] Uh, this isn't for discussion. I'm
sorry.
[23:47] I know in the past we've been used to an
open public forum, but we don't do that
[23:50] anymore.
[23:53] [Music]
When Jeff and I work with the county,
[23:58] we'll find out more about that. But
she's absolutely right. We cannot get
[24:01] funding if the developer comes in right
now. As of right now, we cannot get a
[24:06] grant for that unless we have a
developer. So, I just want to make that
[24:10] real quick. And I do have one more
thing. Um Jeff, is the water wrap still
[24:16] in the pit?
Yeah,
[24:24] it isn't. I don't know that if it's
actually in the water, but it's down at
[24:28] the end of the excess road.
Um Homes Recycling is going to come over
[24:34] and take a look at see if they call it
out for us. Because isn't the company
[24:42] that aren't they responsible for
removing that wrap or not? I thought
[24:47] they were
[24:53] There you go. Now you're on. Oh, I got a
battery signal here. So, oh, still
[24:57] working. Yeah. So, um that was not in
the agreement to remove it. Uh we kept
[25:03] it in there in case something went wrong
with the new one just so we weren't
[25:10] completely
okay. All right. Completely out of
[25:13] water. Um with the understanding that we
would then scrap it out at some point.
[25:19] Sorry. Thank you.
[25:24] Okay. Um
so I'll move on to myself here.
[25:29] Um, we definitely have an overall blight
problem in town. Um, and I've been
[25:37] saying the same thing and as I think
everybody else up here has been uh
[25:41] saying the same thing for a couple of
years. Um, I did start looking at a uh
[25:46] more comprehensive blight ordinance. Um,
I know uh attorney Mitten will be back
[25:53] um shortly and we could probably, you
know, meet in person on some of the
[25:57] suggestions that I have.
But there is uh there's definitely a
[26:01] lack of, you know, pride in in your
property and a definite lack of pride in
[26:07] the community. I mean, I just looked
over in the park and somebody's been
[26:10] disassembling the flower garden and
throwing the blocks in the middle of the
[26:14] park. So, um I will get that taken care
of probably this week. But, uh again, if
[26:22] you see something, say something that
goes above and beyond crime and
[26:27] everything else. There's I mean it's
it's an ongoing problem. So I think
[26:31] let's all work together and get this
town cleaned up because I think we're
[26:34] going to have to uh get the rules a
little more strict that way Ed doesn't
[26:37] have to keep coming here with the same
problem over and over and over. Um we're
[26:42] uh we're restarting the West Annex uh
development committee. Uh we've added
[26:47] some some other players and we'll be
meeting later this um later this month.
[26:54] There's the growing list of fire
hydrants that I would like the PUC to
[26:59] address unless that's as far as I know
that's the publicities commission's
[27:03] responsibility and uh I mean you've got
two bagged up right here. I mean if
[27:09] we've got a fire at city hall or the
pavilion I mean we've already got a
[27:14] problem or councelor Ny's house for that
matter um that needs to be taken care
[27:18] of. So Jeeoff you want to get to the PC
and get that taken care of? I'd
[27:21] appreciate it. Yep. And then we'll
discuss the PC. Okay. I can't make it to
[27:26] PUC meetings. I've got my union meeting
and Legion meeting that night on either
[27:30] side of it. So,
um uh thanks to Snowcross Racer Levi
[27:36] Leval for throwing a great uh event up
at Giants Ridge uh this weekend. Very
[27:41] well attended. Hopefully Tai wasn't too
terribly
[27:44] busy.
[27:47] Um I went home early. Um, no, it was it
was a it was a great day. Um,
[27:54] administrator Jacobson and I took the uh
bus down to the Rams Day on the hill.
[27:58] Um, Rams executive director Paul Peltier
set up a bus um set up meetings with all
[28:03] of our legislators and uh you know that
was probably my seventh trip to the
[28:08] capital this session and it was by far
the most well organized
[28:12] uh well done out of all of them and we
ended with the Ranger party at Seni. So,
[28:18] uh, turned out really well. Had a really
great chance to to not only connect with
[28:21] some other area, um, administrators and
elected officials, but talk to our
[28:28] elected officials down at the at the
capital. It was it was really good.
[28:32] Um, so, uh, in in
in conjunction with I was unable to make
[28:39] it to that, uh, Brownfield presentation.
Um and uh thankfully councelor Wallard
[28:45] agreed to cover that as well as
councelor Neim covered the east range
[28:49] cap meeting. All happened to be on the
same day that I had an appointment. Uh
[28:54] but uh since then I we've met with IT RB
um to talk to the agency about how they
[29:02] can help us out um with some of our
projects in town and some of our bigger
[29:07] projects and the
brownfield development and whatnot was
[29:12] discussed and I also discussed a few
things with Sean Haney from Northband
[29:16] Group from an East Range Powers
perspective and uh you know he sent a
[29:21] contact to us uh through ARDC on that as
well. So, we've got more to follow on
[29:26] that. It's all kind of in the works.
That's uh that's all it's all good
[29:29] things coming. So, and then on that same
note, the uh the SD2 group did come up
[29:37] with a um a statement on housing based
on their
[29:43] um you know, based on the the
group's work this uh this last year and
[29:50] realizing that a steering committee has
a hard time with uh obviously like
[29:55] supporting housing developers and
everything else. It's meant to be, you
[29:58] know, the strategic plan is meant to be
a council
[30:01] action issue. So, u the statement from
that group was SD2 wants housing for
[30:08] families, workforce housing, and
affordable and senior housing. Housing
[30:11] should include garages. Special
financing should be made available
[30:15] through government agencies. And that
was their um official statement to the
[30:20] council. And uh it just kind of got
overlooked uh first quarter. this this
[30:25] and I have not been uh part of that
group and councelor Waller has taken my
[30:29] spot. So,
um and that I believe is all I have on
[30:35] the mayor's report. So, uh moving on to
number 10, old business or I'm sorry,
[30:40] number 11, old business. We have none.
And moving on to new business, first
[30:45] reading of ordinance uh 435, managing
flood planes within the city of Bav.
[30:53] And I know we did we covered this at the
agenda meeting. Uh this is something
[30:57] that we need to adopt as the updated
flood plane after last year's uh uh
[31:05] after last year's incident. So I would
entertain a motion to have the first
[31:10] reading. I'll make the
mot I'll make the motion to do the first
[31:15] reading. Uh it's been moved and seconded
to hold the first reading of the
[31:20] ordinance 435. Any
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
[31:25] I opposed. Motion carries. So if
somebody makes a motion to dispense with
[31:31] the reading, otherwise I'm going to
start reading. So
[31:36] I'll second.
We've got an attorney. We've got a
[31:41] motion and second to uh dispense with
the reading of ordinance 435. Is there
[31:46] any discussion? Hearing none. All in
favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Uh
[31:52] we'll have a second reading and we'll
tack that on to the um special meeting
[31:56] at the end of the month. Uh item
B, resolution 202512, authorizing a
[32:04] grant application to the Department of
Iron Range Resources.
[32:09] I'll make a
motion. Uh it's been moved and seconded
[32:13] to approve the uh resolution 2025-12.
Any discussion? Um I I do have a
[32:21] question. Okay, so we have this money.
Are there other grants we can apply for
[32:26] and use it as a match or not? Yes.
[32:34] U we'll continue to go after bonding
bill money, which doesn't really bring
[32:38] in the match all that much other than
we're building up an existing project.
[32:41] Um we could potentially go after Ir
funds and uh USDA uh sorts.
[32:51] Is there any more
discussion hearing? None. Uh roll call.
[32:55] Shannet
[33:01] I resolution
[33:05] passes. Uh item 12 C resolution 202513
authorizing a grant agreement with the
[33:12] Minnesota Department of Transportation
Vocal Road Improvement Program.
[33:16] I'll make a motion.
We have a motion and second to approve
[33:20] resolution
2025-13. Is there any discussion? I'm
[33:25] just wondering are is there any
assessments to the homeowners after No.
[33:32] Is there any other discussion hearing?
None.
[33:36] Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.
Resolution passes.
[33:46] Item 12D, approval of the amenities
coordinator contract change. I'll make a
[33:52] motion to approve.
Uh, it's been moved and seconded to
[33:57] approve the updated amenities
coordinator contract. Any discussion?
[34:03] Yeah. Um, has Larry reviewed this
contract?
[34:09] [Music]
[34:14] I'm sorry, Larry. Can you say that one
more time?
[34:17] [Music]
[34:26] No objection. Okay. Um, another thing
was there are no office hours listed.
[34:32] um that was discussed and the uh the
office hours have
[34:39] been at the host discretion based on
what the needs are because the host
[34:43] knows the needs more than the people
sitting at this desk. Okay. Should that
[34:46] be stated in here?
I don't I don't believe so. Okay. And
[34:53] then Pardon? I
did. She's always done a good job
[34:59] in she does has to go to her doctor. She
always and that's what I was going to
[35:07] ask like she previously always she's
real good about okay and then it didn't
[35:12] say anything about having the
insurance previously some they always
[35:18] had to carry the home had to carry
insurance. Did I read the
[35:25] I didn't see it anywhere in here. Larry,
did you see anything about them carrying
[35:30] the insurance?
I did not.
[35:41] I missed it. You know what? I read the
amenities one and not the camp. Yeah, it
[35:46] was removed from the campground because
it's not in the amenities contract.
[35:52] wasn't the amenities one. It was in the
amenities one, but it wasn't
[35:57] uh Did we have it in the 23?
[36:02] I I would think it
[36:08] was. So I believe
[36:19] well I mean because that's something
that was still
[36:27] um so I believe we can I don't remember
who made the motion I made the motion
[36:33] but we can and I can update a version
and find that but we can find that cross
[36:37] from previous contract.
U it's it's number five in the amenities
[36:42] um contract. I think if we amended to
add number five from the
[36:48] amenities contract to the new contract.
I think if you offer I'm going to offer
[36:56] friendly amendment to do that with
number five. I see you have to update
[37:00] the mayor signature line. So I will
update both of those. I was going to
[37:04] mention that next. Um is your does is
the friendly amendment.
[37:09] Okay. Is there any more discussion?
Thank you for
[37:16] hearing none. All in favor? Go ahead,
Larry.
[37:30] highly
[37:43] [Music]
[37:51] advis before you sign anything. Oh, and
there I'm sorry, there was one more. I I
[37:56] just had some edits here. Um on number
two on the contract it says city agrees
[38:02] to pay the campground host as and for
such services pursuant to this contract
[38:07] 32,000 payable monthly. Well to me that
sounds like you're going to pay her
[38:12] $32,000 monthly and it should be in
monthly installments or something like
[38:17] that. I I would just word that a little
bit different I
[38:22] guess. And
um 3a
[38:29] Just just put a slash between at and in
camp off of
[38:37] daily. It's just a typo between and and
gets used by campus and get used by
[38:43] campus. So there just a couple
[38:49] and yeah kind of had chicks there. Yeah.
[39:04] That's an interesting
question there. I just it was there's a
[39:10] lot of miscommunication.
So,
[39:16] um it was done by several
people.
[39:21] Um and so I recommended from now on that
the uh campground
[39:31] coordinator, it's the three of us that
do it and no outsiders until we bring it
[39:37] to the
[39:40] council. question asked early,000.
[39:47] [Music]
[39:55] Yep. It was
[40:01] Yeah. And I'm gonna have Jeff do that
for you. It was 30 It was 32,000 for the
[40:05] rest of the year. Not monthly, but the
rest of the year.
[40:12] Okay. Does that make sense? And so I'll
make I'll get with Jeff and I will make
[40:18] sure you get that red marking.
[40:23] Oh, yeah. That's right. You're going to
be okay.
[40:26] Okay. I'll Yeah, Jeff and I can come in
and talk to you about it. Okay.
[40:32] Okay. Are you still comfortable with an
approval on that, Larry?
[40:38] Are you still comfortable with the
approval of the updated language adding
[40:41] in the insurance and fixing the 32,000
to be paid annually versus monthly?
[40:54] Can I make a suggestion? If we have our
monthly work meeting, can we get it
[40:59] approved then so we could just hold off
on this and get it make sure it's
[41:02] correct and that Larry reads it and we
get it done right. Um because we have a
[41:08] motion and a second on the floor, I
would ask that we vote it down and then
[41:12] vote to take Yeah.
[41:16] Um so we do have a motion and second. Uh
is there any more
[41:21] discussion? All in favor?
[41:28] I don't want to influence any.
[41:35] All right. watching
and we will need a motion to table. I
[41:39] make a motion to table this until we set
our date for the work meeting and get
[41:43] this taken care of appropriately. There
is a motion to table. Does not need a
[41:48] second and there's no discussion. So all
in favor
[41:56] I motion carries. So Robert rules of
order there. Uh review item 12E. Review
[42:02] the updated joint powers agreement for
police services.
[42:05] Gilbert. Um staff recommendation was to
direct the mayor administrator to meet
[42:09] with Gilbert officials and bring back a
contract proposal for action. I would
[42:14] like to um add to that recommendation
and have the city attorney involved in
[42:20] that as well. Anytime we're going to be
doing contract work at this point, I
[42:24] would like to have city attorney as
well.
[42:33] Second Yeah, I'm
[42:37] motion with Larry looking. Yes. Okay.
There was motion in second. Is there any
[42:45] discussion? Yeah. Um, okay. I I mean I
am happy with the police protection or
[42:52] the service that we are getting, but I
have had citizens in by contact me over
[42:58] the price. And I mean, we're going to be
paying over $100,000 more a year and
[43:06] they have suggested other options. And
I'm just wondering if the
[43:10] council how you feel about checking to
see if any other department would be
[43:16] willing to provide service. If they are
willing to provide service, what
[43:20] services would they provide and what
would they charge us? um then we have
[43:26] some research done whether or not I mean
nobody else may even want to provide
[43:32] service to us and and I do want to say I
have been happy with the services that
[43:37] we have been receiving from Gilbert but
when you have people calling and
[43:41] emailing you and saying that this is
just it's too much I mean it's what 400
[43:52] 436 Yeah. So, I guess I want to know how
the council feels about
[43:59] that if they want to check out our
options or if we just want to renew this
[44:03] contract.
I can say firsthand St. Louis County is
[44:07] not an option. Um, that's already been
asked. Well, it's already been asked.
[44:12] They don't they don't have the personnel
and they don't it sounds like they don't
[44:15] even have desire. Correct me if I'm
wrong. Correct. So, when did this take
[44:20] place?
[44:32] when we did the discussion county
[44:38] I think it was during the last
discussion on police
[44:40] service which yeah so is that so
[44:47] I have double checked the dates I mean I
I honestly I don't think there is
[44:52] anybody else that would want to provide
us service. But I just think if citizens
[44:56] are asking that that you know if we
could provide them with that information
[45:00] that would be a good thing to do. But I
don't know how everybody else on the
[45:03] council feels.
[45:08] Oh all the feedback I've gotten has been
uh Gilbert is a fantastic asset to our
[45:14] community. Um and that's in conjunction
with you know everybody else. And like I
[45:20] said, I personally have I feel that
we're getting a fair deal. I mean,
[45:24] obviously we have to have a discussion
with Gilbert at this time. Um, which is
[45:30] what this directs, but I personally
don't have any um reason or desire to
[45:36] look anywhere else. Not that I'm saying
that it's, you know, I mean, we're we're
[45:41] probably not going to find anything
cheaper than what we got, especially for
[45:45] the level of service that we get. So all
the feedback I've got has been very
[45:50] positive for Gilbert PD. I I I think
it's highly unlikely that another unit
[45:55] of government is going to um actively
bid for the service like
[46:05] uh like a construction crew or something
like that or some of the other service
[46:10] contracts we have. Um I think it's very
unlikely that any of the other agencies
[46:15] would would say well yes we would like
we'd like provided well here's our lower
[46:20] cost in order to to get you to come to
us.
[46:25] Um I think out of professional courtesy
they would decline do that
[46:32] and I'm pretty sure in that position we
would
[46:36] certainly go
to and I just have
[46:43] I feeling question I
have when was the last contact?
[46:52] Uh
2017 Okay. And if I remember, help me
[46:58] out here.
Um they are long overdue to have an
[47:05] increase. Is that not correct? because
we've been slid into that was the last
[47:09] cost increase as well 2017.
So knowing that like I do I I understand
[47:17] what you're saying. I understand what
the citizens are saying but personally
[47:21] um because of just because of that I
have no trouble with police. I've never
[47:27] heard anything contrary to this. They do
an excellent job except the cost and I
[47:32] think they've been well worth the money.
It's not
[47:36] over as I know it
[47:45] because that's just the
proposed right now. Then you're going to
[47:49] go meet with Gilbert and actually get
the the finalized number, right? But
[47:52] that's the just Yep. And I think there's
some movement on I mean we can discuss
[47:57] just the number itself um kind of the
meanings of what some of the what they
[48:01] have in here as far as actual rever
reimbursements received. I think that
[48:05] requires some clarification. So we both
so both sides know what we're talking
[48:08] about when we talk about those
categories because there is some room
[48:13] for
[48:16] interpretation. Okay. Uh is there any
other
[48:19] discussion hearing? None. All in favor?
I opposed. Motion
[48:25] carries. Jeff and I will set that up
shortly.
[48:30] Okay. Um item 12F, approval of
memorandum of understanding with uh
[48:37] local
[48:39] 49. We talked about the update in our
agenda meeting. I'll make the motion.
[48:44] There been a motion to approve the
memorandum of understanding. Support.
[48:49] It's been supported. Is there any
discussion? So, this will be accepted.
[48:54] It doesn't have to wait until a new
contract. Correct.
[48:58] Then my only question was is in here on
the new one it says deal like minor and
[49:03] major infractions like what's a minor
what's a major what who determines that?
[49:10] I think that's always a judge follow.
[49:15] Okay. Yeah. that gives us
the that gives us the ability to decide
[49:22] that which is pretty standard. So,
I'm sure there have been extended
[49:27] conversations about what's minor and
what's major um but without without a
[49:32] very very long list up to
discussion. Is there any more
[49:39] discussion hearing? None. All in favor?
I opposed. Motion
[49:44] carries. Item 12G, approval of the
application number five for Boic
[49:48] Recreation
[49:56] Area. This is the uh payment for the
finish or the final payment
[50:02] for the uh or is this the final close to
the final? One more to release the punch
[50:08] list items and the retainage and all
that stuff.
[50:11] So, this is the second to last. I
apologize. Yeah, there is still a
[50:14] $28,000 retaining. So, um, and there was
no reason not to approve it. I'll make a
[50:22] motion. Support. It's been, uh, moved
and seconded to approve the pay
[50:26] application for the campground projects.
Is there any
[50:30] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
I opposed. Motion carries. Uh
[50:39] item 12
I approval of fire equipment
[50:50] purchase 12 approval of fire.
Oh H did I say I
[50:57] sorry item 12H approval of fire
equipment purchase.
[51:06] Uh it's two budgeted items and the fire
chief uh went out and got two competing
[51:10] quotes for those items and it's
recommending that the items on the
[51:14] ultimate safety concepts or clarity
safety equipment will be approved. I'll
[51:19] make motion.
It's been moved and supported to approve
[51:23] the fire equipment purchase. Any
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
[51:29] I opposed. Motion carries. Uh item 12.
I got it right this time. Um uh you'll
[51:38] see an attachment from the uh McQueen
emergency group along with um some
[51:44] costing. Uh as everybody knows, the
firetruck task force has been meeting
[51:49] regularly and uh the fire department
worked very hard on spec and Chief
[51:55] Mackey searched out some lease to own
options and other things. Um, so if
[52:02] there's any if there's not any
discussion on this, I'm going to add
[52:06] this to the uh the city council workshop
that is denoted in item 12.
[52:19] There's no motion. It's just discussion.
So
[52:23] you check it was just it was updated on
for theformational purposes. So, but
[52:30] that will be added to the to the
workshop.
[52:34] I guess the only thing I would say is I
have not heard anything from any
[52:38] citizens. So, I mean, if somebody has an
opinion about if I want to buy a a new
[52:44] fire truck, then they should be letting
us know so we know how you're feeling
[52:49] about
this. And um Steve, I don't know if you
[52:53] wanted to say a couple of the reasons
why we need this fire.
[52:58] Well, we're trying to avoid a 30%
increase in homeowners insurance rates.
[53:02] Um, which we've already seen homeowners
insurance rates going up. This should
[53:07] actually bring our fire flow to a
standard or what is the term I'm looking
[53:13] for? Firefighters.
[53:17] Um, yeah, the fire flow you need us you
need to hit that 3,000 gallons a minute
[53:21] mark, which we don't have. So
theoretically, you should even see a
[53:25] decrease in your
uh in your insurance. Well, we never see
[53:30] a decrease. You'll see a less intrusive
increase. Um we're also running a fire
[53:36] truck that is was deemed unsafe by OSHA
in
[53:41] 1991. Um I was 10 years old then. So um
that's that's just where we're at with
[53:47] that entire fire truck process. So, um,
and I mean obviously firefighter safety
[53:55] is is number one, but number two would
be your homeowner's insurance rate. So,
[54:00] and just general discussion with local
insurance agents, it is it is about a
[54:06] 30% increase if you lose that that fire
rating. So, um, just remember when you
[54:12] call 911, the fire department comes. You
call your insurance company, they fight
[54:16] you, they fight you the whole way.
So, and I have to back up Patty. The
[54:21] citizens need to speak
up. You know, I mean, nobody says
[54:27] anything and all of a sudden if your
taxes go up to the fire truck and we
[54:30] hear about it after the council, that's
a little late. You need citizen input at
[54:36] this workshop meeting. And I'm really
stressing if you got questions, you need
[54:40] to bring them. I would say before the
work before the workshop. The workshop
[54:44] is going to be a council workshop. It's
not going to be a But you need to get
[54:48] those comments in. Yes. I I will say on
that front, um I have not had one
[54:56] person say do not buy a truck, but I've
sure had I've had people from Woodlands
[55:00] and Voyagers come and say if you need
somebody to testify, we'll be the ones
[55:05] there there to push this. And I know we
even had a citizen from Voyagers um that
[55:10] sat down with the fire department and
helped inspect the truck. So there's a
[55:15] um there's definitely a community
uh favor or you know the community's in
[55:22] favor for whom I've talked to. I've not
gotten one I've got not got one bad um
[55:28] bad review on it. So and I'm saying
that's fine. I'm playing devil because I
[55:33] know how it works. It'll be the other
side of the coin. It'll flip. And so I'm
[55:38] just saying I'd like citizens if they
have concerns or they disagree, they
[55:42] need to they need to speak up.
[55:48] Okay. Is there any more
discussion? Hearing none, we'll move on
[55:52] to item
12J. Um discussion and action on
[55:56] citywide cleanup. Um attached in your
packet, you did see
[56:02] um the old citywide cleanup um rules
which uh were not followed. Um but we do
[56:12] spend a full week plus. It's about a
week and a half now in the spring during
[56:18] the busiest time. We're trying to get a
campground ready. We're trying to get
[56:22] mowers ready. We're trying to get the
town cleaned up for the summer. Uh we
[56:26] tie up uh the every person on our public
works crew for about a week and a half
[56:33] now. We also pay uh tipping fees at the
dump. We rent a dump truck and I can
[56:42] tell you because I've got friends that
have done it. They bring in their stuff
[56:46] from out of town to their friend or
relatives house in town and the citizens
[56:51] of Aabi get to pay the bill for their
stuff to go to the dump. Uh there's also
[56:55] been uh it's it's it's it create it's
creating a blight problem now versus
[57:01] solving it as the the pickers wait for
the
[57:04] free-for-all. Um and so the I I've spoke
with the public works crew uh which you
[57:11] know obviously they're you know they
they'd rather not do it at all in the
[57:14] spring and I said well we've got to do
do some um and I would recommend that
[57:21] we see
[57:25] We're, you know, we're looking at
between tipping fees, rental equipment,
[57:29] and if we're going to factor it in man
hours that we use at our our rates, it
[57:33] cost the citizens without equipment
usage about
[57:37] $15,000. Um, in in in overhead to do
this clean.
[57:43] Um, and I would recommend personally and
like I said after talking with the with
[57:49] the public work crew about a efficient
manner getting rid of demo materials
[57:54] which is on our rules anyway so I don't
know why we've been picking them up but
[57:58] uh I would recommend we do Monday brush
Tuesday um tires off the rims and steel
[58:04] and Wednesday appliances. Um, not the
brush does have comes with a small cost
[58:10] at the dump for a tipping fee. However,
the other ones are also free and we can
[58:15] get everything
done for in three days versus a week and
[58:20] a half. And it eliminates it eliminates
all the blight that winds up in
[58:24] everybody else's yard because they run
through and pick and of course make a
[58:28] mess out of the neatly done piles that
people do put up. So,
[58:33] so you still did want the furniture
here? No, that's just the old one.
[58:38] That's the old Yep. That is the uh
that's the current.
[58:45] Yeah. And like I said, it creates it's
creating more of a blight problem than
[58:49] itself at this point. And it's costing I
mean, if you look at our next agenda
[58:53] item, we're talking about eight houses
of senior recycling that take, you know,
[58:57] two hours twice a month because of cost.
But then we're going to tie up our
[59:02] entire crew paying for everybody else
from out of town's
[59:05] garbage. I mean, it's it's ridiculous
what the cost is. Okay. So, it'll be
[59:10] household appliances, tires,
brush,
[59:16] branches, not bagged up because we we
know we wind we wind up with
[59:21] um you know, bags full of dog feces and
it's not what it's intended for. So,
[59:30] Okay. And how will we let the citizens
know about this? We'll post it, put it
[59:35] on the website, throw it on social
media, you can put the paper. I'm sorry,
[59:40] Mary. What was what was your Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday break? Uh, I guess it
[59:44] doesn't matter the day of the week, but
six foot lengths of brush um brush
[59:49] branches and
sticks. Uh, Monday, uh, Tuesday could be
[59:55] tires and scrap steel tires off the rim.
uh because we can't throw away tires on
[1:00:00] the rim because they gr they grind them.
Um and then Wednesday would be
[1:00:05] appliances. So, and I did have multiple
discussions with the public works crew
[1:00:10] to make sure that would work for them as
well. Everybody was in favor of that.
[1:00:16] So, we need a motion for this. I got a
question. And then, okay, that's spring
[1:00:22] kind of. What about fall? Anything? I
would say we do the same in the
[1:00:29] fall. So
did want to say there is um a free
[1:00:36] hazardous waste day um at the dump on
May 8th from 10 to 2. So if people have
[1:00:43] paint and things like that, you can
bring that out there for free on May 8th
[1:00:48] to Aurora. We can combine that latest
county notice with our notice. Sure.
[1:00:58] Is there any thoughts on that? That was
just what I think it's a good idea. said
[1:01:02] you got one day to brush the tires
and I have
[1:01:10] and I also did speak with the public
works crew on scheduling and I was the
[1:01:14] full four guy crew and they did say that
the week of May
[1:01:19] 12th after
um after
[1:01:25] uh opening fishing and before Memorial
Day
[1:01:29] should be a good week for
[1:01:35] I mean, I guess the demolition material,
I mean, I see people that have
[1:01:39] demolition material sitting in their
backyards waiting. And I just think if
[1:01:44] you have a contractor or if you're doing
demolition on your house, you should be
[1:01:48] able to get rid of the the materials
yourself. It shouldn't be up to the
[1:01:52] city. All of us pay for that.
[1:02:00] Is there is there a motion? I'll make
the motion to do the support.
[1:02:11] All right. There's been a motion in a
second. Is there any more
[1:02:14] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
I opposed. I'm sorry. What was the
[1:02:20] selected week? Uh May 12th.
Okay. Okay, item 12K, discussion and
[1:02:26] action on senior recycling
service. Um, I don't have any uh
[1:02:32] thoughts on this. I do agree that it
probably should be updated with the
[1:02:36] people living there, but again, speaking
with the public works group, it's about
[1:02:41] two hours twice a month. Um, does take
up a lot of time and effort. However,
[1:02:48] there probably could be some some uh
clean up of the of the list and making
[1:02:54] sure that we're, you know, making sure
that uh Adam didn't buy his house and
[1:02:58] there's a senior recycle can there and
[Laughter]
[1:03:04] he's I just know that you you purchased
the house from someone you may have
[1:03:08] taken part in.
[1:03:12] If anybody has any thoughts, I'm going
to say the seniors need to know about
[1:03:16] it.
You like to add more people to Well, I
[1:03:21] want if they
obviously but we we're healthy and we
[1:03:26] take care of our own stuff. Okay. We
don't wait for pickup and all that. We
[1:03:29] do it I think I city services for twice
in my whole life. But I'm just saying I
[1:03:36] want to make sure that the seniors know
about because I think there's some that
[1:03:40] don't know. But I could I could be
wrong. And a notice of the utility bill
[1:03:48] that you know this is available for
seniors 65 and older. I would assume
[1:03:52] that is 62 or 65. I think it was 55. Was
it 55?
[1:03:59] Oh yeah. And I'm talking about
conversations with Pen Berts and Gene
[1:04:03] Newton when I when I started here.
There's, you know, there's, you know,
[1:04:06] you can tell where I am.
[1:04:12] I'd be on 55 people. So, you can put a
notice in the utility bill saying that
[1:04:17] we have this available at 55. No, not I
think that I do too. Frankly, I kind of
[1:04:24] shocked that. I mean, we could do a
senior cycle 65 and older with mobility
[1:04:28] issues,
you know. You got mobility issues.
[1:04:33] I think that would work. I don't know if
we could. Can we do that, Larry? Is that
[1:04:37] like,
you know, we're trying to help out those
[1:04:40] that need help. Is that allowed? I guess
I don't know.
[1:04:51] Okay.
And we just don't they got right. I
[1:04:55] can't walk under my back. What are you
going to say? Go to the chiropractor or
[1:04:58] something. Yeah. So, so then they should
contact I can't remember the last time
[1:05:03] we purchased a bin or a receptacle. So,
we'll have to look into what the options
[1:05:07] are there. Right. Like I said, pan is
probably about the last, right? So, um I
[1:05:14] think it could I don't even know if we
need to take any action. I think we
[1:05:18] already have a program in place and I
think if we
[1:05:23] uh I think if we fine-tune it, you know,
administratively, I think it would be
[1:05:28] acceptable.
[1:05:32] Okay. Is there any does anybody want
want to take any specific action on it
[1:05:36] or any more discussion? I can take a
motion. Well, I was going to say if we
[1:05:42] just administrative if they administer
that's fine.
[1:05:47] Take it in place. Sure.
Uh well, you want to make that a motion?
[1:05:52] Yes, I'll make that a motion.
Okay. We have a motion in second to uh
[1:05:58] um direct the administrator to uh put in
place the senior recycle uh with the
[1:06:04] suggestions made this evening. Is there
any
[1:06:08] discussion? Uh hearing none. All in
favor? I opposed. Motion carries.
[1:06:17] Item 12M. Um, oh, I'm sorry. 12 L. 12 L.
I've had a hard time. There's just too
[1:06:24] many today. Um, discussion and action on
the city brush file. In your packets,
[1:06:30] you did see the um the reasoning behind
the the recent closure.
[1:06:38] Uh, and again, this is
a a problem for for a lot of people.
[1:06:45] I've never I've never had anybody
uh not complain about smoldering and
[1:06:52] stinking out half the town with a burn
pile. And for the amount of things that
[1:06:57] have been burned in that pile the last,
you know, 3 years, I shouldn't be able
[1:07:01] to look out this window and see a tree
anywhere in town. Um, and you know,
[1:07:06] talking to a few people, they figure
about 80 to
[1:07:09] 85% is from people out of town. We've
got contractors that don't want to pay
[1:07:15] the money to go to the dump, so they go,
um, they just go dump at Boavic. So,
[1:07:22] um, and, uh, it's, you know, burning
garbage is a problem. Minnesota statute
[1:07:29] 88.171 and county solid waste ordinance
45 both say, you know, burning of
[1:07:34] garbage. Well, that's what we've got
down there. The p the pile is still
[1:07:38] smoldering and uh we
are we're seeing garbage pile up in
[1:07:44] there already. So, um leaves and brush,
you know, in in plastic bags or you
[1:07:52] know, compost isn't supposed to be part
of the brush pile. So, you know, it's
[1:07:56] it's we had to or not we is that, you
know, city city staff made the decision
[1:08:02] to close the brush
bottle when there was a, you know, the
[1:08:08] LP bottle that was put in there was kind
of the last straw. So, as I can tell you
[1:08:13] what, I don't I don't want to see our
fire department light that brush pile up
[1:08:17] to burn it and a propane bottle blows
off in there and kill somebody.
[1:08:22] So, um, you know, I also personally have
breathing problems from toxic exposure.
[1:08:28] So, I don't think anybody's going to
convince me otherwise that we should be
[1:08:31] burning things on the edge of town, but
I don't know what everybody else thinks.
[1:08:37] Well, I guess I especially if um to put
a cap there, I'm sure he would um not he
[1:08:44] would like that.
And it has, like we said, it's, you
[1:08:50] know, had our tone covered in smoke many
times. I mean, I like the file, but not
[1:08:58] that people because people are abusing
it. I think it's something that's going
[1:09:01] to have
[1:09:05] I will say there's been some comments
about staffing and I said, what do we
[1:09:10] do? Hire another person to monitor a
free burn pile. I mean like that's we'd
[1:09:15] be better off paying for your tipping
fees at the dump to get rid of the brush
[1:09:18] be you know far cheaper. So
I think it needs to be both and I I am
[1:09:23] going to say it I think it's a shame
that a few people for a lot of people
[1:09:30] and that's usually what happens. It's
always just a few can't name them
[1:09:35] experiences. It's always a
few and this is what's happening here.
[1:09:40] And this isn't the first time it
happened up at the rail track. It
[1:09:44] happens down at recycling. People are
trying stuff. It happens all the time.
[1:09:49] And this has just got worse. And even I
tested the smoke. So when I stepped out,
[1:09:54] they were burning. And I knew it wasn't
this brush.
[1:09:58] And I've already seen already because we
closed it. Everybody's going on a
[1:10:01] snowmobile trail dumping all their stuff
out there. So, you know, I mean it you
[1:10:06] close that they're just going to bring
it somewhere else and make a mess. You
[1:10:09] know, it used to I saw it with that what
happened out there because they're
[1:10:13] matches. I mean, we fire our guns off of
hunting people and it happened out
[1:10:18] there. I mean, I saw and you're
absolutely right. And it's always just a
[1:10:22] few. That's the problem. It isn't the
majority. It's the few. And I don't I
[1:10:27] don't have an answer to be honest about
it.
[1:10:30] The only other thing I was thinking is I
mean if it's a possibility at all or
[1:10:35] not, but there is kind of open space
behind city garage. You could have like
[1:10:39] a small brush pile set up there and then
the city guys could haul it down to the
[1:10:43] burn pile later on. So at least you
could have a little bit of an idea
[1:10:46] what's in it before you move it and then
burn it. So it just be just strictly
[1:10:50] brush. You're going to have a spot for
brush and then a spot for like say
[1:10:54] compost, climbing footings, leaves, one
thing or another. So at least it's not
[1:10:59] getting mixed. Like that's what
everybody does down there. They just
[1:11:02] throw everything in the pile and then it
burns and then the grass is smoldering
[1:11:05] and making a mess. I mean that could be
an option, you know? I don't know.
[1:11:11] But it's an idea that at least, you
know, you could still have burn pile and
[1:11:16] have one and then but just move it to a
different location later on. maybe. No,
[1:11:22] it was in my idea at least. I know. They
do accept compost right up the road as
[1:11:29] well. Yeah. Um and I believe
it's I think it's about $3 for a box of
[1:11:37] Yeah. I I don't even think most towns
burn anymore since all they all
[1:11:42] chipper. Burning is just I mean for a
for a civilized nation, I think burning
[1:11:47] things in town. That's just my
[1:11:51] But it's currently closed. And I guess
my my thought is is you know what we're
[1:11:57] going to do with that site down there. I
do agree that they will have a problem
[1:12:00] with with the uh the few dirt bags and I
will call them dirt bags publicly that
[1:12:04] are dumping stuff off the um off the
snowmobile trails and anywhere else. So
[1:12:10] my hope is that we can maybe talk to DNR
too about some
[1:12:14] increased patrol around here because
that's that's completely unacceptable.
[1:12:23] Well, we have a problem and I don't I
don't have a solution. Go to the
[1:12:27] recycling. People put their cardboard
boxes. They can't even smatch them. They
[1:12:31] just throw them in there. Would that
take I mean, we got other citizens from
[1:12:36] other communities dump because they like
we have a problem. And I don't think
[1:12:42] needs to be a dumping problem.
[1:12:46] We also have a uh when I went to throw
some recycling, it's that same
[1:12:50] mentality. I opened up the thing to drop
in um you know, beverage containers, you
[1:12:55] know, milk jugs and all the plastic. And
there's a like a plant rack in there.
[1:13:01] The whole rack just thrown right in the
recycle bin because you didn't want to
[1:13:04] throw out the garbage. And I don't know
how you I don't know how you fix that.
[1:13:09] And that the the recycling part of this
is a it's a county service that just
[1:13:14] happens to be within the city of Wavik.
And Gilbert's already having the same
[1:13:17] problem at their recycling bin. Now
they're blaming the citizens of Aavic
[1:13:21] for putting cardboard in their um
recycling. And they said, "Well, we've
[1:13:26] never had cardboard recycling here." So
it's not our people that are used to um
[1:13:30] throwing cardboard in. And
so it's it's I don't know that there's a
[1:13:35] solution for for the few people that
are, you
[1:13:39] know, that are going to be they're going
to be dirt bags no matter what.
[1:13:48] Was there a motion? There there was not
yet.
[1:13:53] So it did say discussion and action. I
figured that way we could uh discuss it
[1:13:57] before making motion. Discussing
[1:14:07] I'm learning because then Larry yells at
me if I don't follow the rules. Right.
[1:14:10] So, and as far as the motion goes, keep
as far as any motion goes, keep in mind
[1:14:15] that it is what is currently closed.
So, you want to keep it closed or open
[1:14:22] it up.
But the current status is it is closed.
[1:14:28] Did we make motion to
keep we could discuss it one more month
[1:14:33] if there's any
solution for options and
[1:14:37] then
[1:14:46] closing it out? No, I'm not opposed to
you know if we're gonna if we want to
[1:14:51] explore some other options and and you
know talk with our our public works
[1:14:55] crew. I I mean I really wish we had a
giant fenced area that we could open it
[1:14:59] up. I mean we do have a a fence area at
City Garage. I don't believe those
[1:15:02] fences work anymore, but uh I know I
believe Qu Lakes and I guess I'm not
[1:15:08] sure because I've never been there, but
sounds like they have a you know
[1:15:12] recycling and different and they call it
a chipper but they've got separate piles
[1:15:16] for everything but it's all behind a
gate. Um, and in order to to do
[1:15:22] something of that nature, it's it's, you
know, obviously very costly. Yeah.
[1:15:27] So, um, like I said, especially when
you've got redundant services five,
[1:15:34] well, that's I guess that's what bothers
me that they would drive to a snowmobile
[1:15:39] trail to dump it, but they won't drive
to dump it, right? It's unbelievable.
[1:15:44] Yeah.
There's a motion uh to Was that a
[1:15:48] motion, Kathy? Well, I'll make a motion
because I'm kind of stuck to be honest.
[1:15:53] So, I recommend I make a motion to keep
up and if a solution comes up, we
[1:15:58] discuss the next.
[1:16:04] Okay, there's been a motion and second.
Is there any
[1:16:08] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
I oppos. Motion
[1:16:13] carries. Another discussion discussion
and action on uh main street landscape
[1:16:18] maintenance.
[1:16:23] Okay.
Um so Jeff, the state, if I'm right, the
[1:16:28] state contracted with the people that
are taking care of the plants right now.
[1:16:31] Is that correct?
Um right now is over. So they Yeah. So
[1:16:37] they contracted with the people that
took care of it the summer they were
[1:16:40] planted and last they had to keep
[1:16:45] um there's a through the establishment
agreement. Um so they took care of it.
[1:16:50] They replaced the dead ones. Now the now
the cooperative maintenance agreement
[1:16:55] with us in mind is that uh all the
maintenance is on our shoulders now. I
[1:17:01] thought we had until June. Did we
receive I can check the end date, but
[1:17:09] did we receive like a care plan for the
plant? I thought that was part of the
[1:17:14] contract and then that there would be
like 3 in of mulch
[1:17:18] um covering everything before we took
over.
[1:17:23] I know we're supposed to get a care
plan. The three inches of a mouth
[1:17:26] doesn't ring a bell, but it could be a
Did we get a care plan?
[1:17:35] No, not yet.
[1:17:42] I don't know why I thought that
was back in the spring
[1:17:49] and that'd be great. But I was under the
impression it was year last year.
[1:18:02] uh any you mentioned citizens being
interested taking over or taking care of
[1:18:07] the area is that this talk or they
interested um I don't know there was
[1:18:14] somebody that was interested somebody
that was involved in the selection
[1:18:17] process and was on the committee when we
did all the all the choosing of the
[1:18:21] plans and the layout um and she has a
lot of experience with that stuff. Um
[1:18:26] was going to check back with her if the
council wants to wants to look at doing
[1:18:31] a contract or paying somebody to do it
um to get a proposal from here from her
[1:18:39] to take care of these during the growing
season.
[1:18:47] Okay. The other thought I had
uh with the summer help, how could the
[1:18:55] other could one person be able to do
that those areas? Be that sort of
[1:19:02] responsibility for summer or is that
unreasonable to I I think the the labor
[1:19:07] and the watering and and stuff like that
um could be done by
[1:19:12] uh done by a summer helper or labor. Um,
the piece we're kind of missing or kind
[1:19:17] of hoping for was the the gardening
touch or the green thumb. These plants
[1:19:21] were chosen because they're hardy. They
the landscape architect knew they were
[1:19:25] going to be in a highway rideway.
They're going to get they're going to
[1:19:27] get salt on them. They're going to get
sand on them. It's a cold area. All that
[1:19:30] type of stuff. Um, and this person
actually was who we kind of got on our
[1:19:35] committee to verify that yes, these
plants are hardy enough to with stand up
[1:19:39] to the climate and everything like that.
Um, so you know the difference between
[1:19:44] somebody who's doing the labor on it to
make sure they get enough gallons of
[1:19:48] water and certain stuff is cut down
versus somebody that actually knows how
[1:19:52] to take care of the flowers and make
them look nice. Okay. So if this
[1:19:59] person they might be consultant
[1:20:10] I I think that would be an excellent
idea could find somebody to teach you
[1:20:16] know who work alongside it probably have
to be a couple
[1:20:21] um I mean that's a it's a big job to
take care of those plants and a lot lot
[1:20:25] of people don't know like what's a
what's a weed and what's not um us.
[1:20:31] So, so I mean we do we do we do need
somebody that knows about
[1:20:36] plants and then like we don't have
anybody to take care of the flower beds
[1:20:41] in the park either.
[1:20:47] We did a a volunteer group last year.
[1:20:53] So, I mean, I I guess I would make a
motion that we have to try to find
[1:20:58] somebody to take care of the the
landscape to contract.
[1:21:04] Yeah. And to work alongside the, you
know, summer use. And do you want to
[1:21:08] include options for doing the stuff
that's outside of the rightway that
[1:21:12] would be the plants that are by the
local library and stuff like that? Those
[1:21:17] in there? I Yeah, I guess. I mean, if
they're willing. I mean, I'll take care
[1:21:22] of the signs.
[1:21:31] So, I think what we're looking for then
maybe is a, you know, a proposal from a
[1:21:35] person or landscape company um as to the
rightway and then a, you know, an add-on
[1:21:42] for flower beds in uh in the park. Yeah.
Okay. Is there a second? I'll make a
[1:21:51] second. We got a motion and a second to
uh direct the attorney or I'm sorry, the
[1:21:57] administrator to seek out a landscape
maintenance person or company. Is there
[1:22:03] any more
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
[1:22:07] I opposed. Motion carries. Um approval
of summer public works summer helps.
[1:22:19] Make a motion report. Okay, we have a
motion second to approve the summer work
[1:22:25] hires. Is there any discussion? Yeah. Um
my question is who will supervise the
[1:22:39] uh will be somebody from public works.
Um, most likely the foreman could be
[1:22:43] assigned to somebody else depending on
what's going on that day or potentially
[1:22:48] this person that's might be in charge of
the
[1:22:52] uh landscaping stuff. Um, there might be
days when they're doing stuff uh for
[1:23:02] um for the PUC and working on that
stuff. And um there's a couple of uh
[1:23:09] fire department related projects that
they have we'd have ever fire department
[1:23:12] kind of
showing hybrid maintenance and painting
[1:23:16] and stuff like that where it's where
it's better to have the have the fire
[1:23:20] department directly involved on what
they're looking for some kids to do some
[1:23:24] more help to do. And do you know how old
they are? Um I don't have exact ages. I
[1:23:31] know one of them for sure is over the
age of 18.
[1:23:37] I think they all can every other town
around kids push. Oh, I thought you had
[1:23:41] to be 18.
Do a rider to do a rider.
[1:23:49] Um, and then I guess I I would like to
see a little
[1:23:53] more planning like a weekly schedule for
them because this seems really like this
[1:23:59] was not what I had in mind when I said
I'd like to see a comprehensive work.
[1:24:03] Hope that's coming close. We'll have the
crew flush that out with more detail and
[1:24:08] also breaking it up into spring, summer,
fall stuff. So, it's not only
[1:24:13] identified, it's scheduled.
And then when are they going to start
[1:24:17] working? Um, it depends on their
schedule. Um, so usually when school
[1:24:21] gets out, I know the college kids are
usually mid May and the high school kids
[1:24:24] are a little bit later. Um, and we've
got some of
[1:24:28] both kind of accommodate their schedule
if they've got a family vacation or
[1:24:32] something going on. Um,
same with the fall. They the college
[1:24:38] kids end up going back first and high
school kids. It just be nice to know the
[1:24:44] schedule so we know how many we've got
working.
[1:24:51] Okay. Yeah. The other thing I'm
concerned about is uh painting the
[1:24:56] buildings because I've heard some
complaints
[1:24:59] about painting that was done in in the
city offices here. And if you're
[1:25:05] not good at painting, you should
not inside.
[1:25:13] I guess that I I kind of have to
[1:25:19] question or not, but I've seen some
really bad paint jobs. So, I think
[1:25:24] that's a good point.
Um, speaking of st and I had my
[1:25:29] grandchildren have paint where I knew if
I had to straighten it up, I can do it.
[1:25:36] So, everybody has to learn, but you're
doing public buildings. you want a nice
[1:25:40] job, you don't want someone have them be
done, but they don't know how to paint
[1:25:46] and and some of that will take some
evaluation. But over the years, we have
[1:25:49] had some summer help
with some skill levels that were pretty
[1:25:55] impressive in some
so somebody could have been painting for
[1:26:00] years.
Well, and that would be good to assess
[1:26:05] assess those skills.
I mean there might be somebody here
[1:26:08] that's
[1:26:12] okay there's been motion and second uh
for discussion.
[1:26:17] No just one just one more and then trim
you know that the student needs to be
[1:26:23] trained so they chopping their toe off
their shoe off. Okay. Uh then or if
[1:26:29] they've had experience, you know, people
who can't have access
[1:26:35] and there so there's some organized uh
safety training that I know last year
[1:26:41] specifically targeted to the summer
kids. So yeah, getting them in place in
[1:26:45] April will give us May to get that uh
get that train through our regional
[1:26:49] safety group.
Okay. Is there any more
[1:26:53] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
I opposed. Motion carries. Uh
[1:26:59] declaration of surplus property item
120. There's a 2006 Ford ambulance
[1:27:07] that will be put on the surplus
property. I'll make a motion. All right.
[1:27:13] A motion and second to declare surplus
property. Any discussion? Hearing none.
[1:27:17] All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries.
Uh item 12P, accept resignations from
[1:27:24] fire and ambulance department. Make a
motion to accept support. Motion and
[1:27:30] seconded to support the resignations
from the fire and ambulance department.
[1:27:33] Any
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor?
[1:27:37] I opposed. Motion
carries. Uh 12Q schedule the uh city
[1:27:44] council workshop. Uh I have got written
down in my notes to
[1:27:49] uh hold the workshop at 3:30 p.m.
42925. Uh there'll be a couple of items
[1:27:57] from this agenda um that are going to go
on there. We'll do the second reading of
[1:28:02] ordinance 435. We'll do the final update
of the contract. Um, and we will, you
[1:28:09] know, the things I had on my list were a
discussion of the, um, information put
[1:28:15] forth by the fire truck task force. Um,
I know councelor Layman is on that, but
[1:28:20] I would appreciate if the, uh, any, you
know, at least another member or two of
[1:28:24] that group could could make it that day.
Um, if not, we could also set up teams
[1:28:30] meeting for that. And another item on
that agenda is whether it be discussion
[1:28:35] of
the
[1:28:38] facilities assessment that was given by
uh or not given by but sold to us
[1:28:44] by the other there may be a few other
items added on such as you know we've
[1:28:50] been discussing a capital improvement
plan for public works equipment as well.
[1:28:55] Um that will be it will all dictate as
how time progresses. I don't I don't
[1:29:01] anticipate us being here until 9:00 p.m.
So, uh, with the administrator and I,
[1:29:06] we'll we'll start to put an agenda
together for that. Um, you know, as well
[1:29:10] as a few of the other discussed items.
So, you said April 29th at 3:30. At
[1:29:14] 3:30. Is that okay with everybody? Y, I
did check with work schedules. See,
[1:29:21] you're the only work person. I'm on call
for the ambulance that night, but maybe
[1:29:26] get somebody
covered.
[1:29:32] Otherwise, you think I think I'm
otherwise I'm good.
[1:29:38] So, there's no opposition to 330
42925. We will set that as
[1:29:44] our council workshop.
[1:29:49] Okay, that concludes new business. Um,
I'm going to open it up for open public
[1:29:54] forum. If you have anything, please uh
head to the uh podium and turn the
[1:30:00] microphone. We do uh limit to five
minutes. Yeah, just to further
[1:30:06] clarification of the earlier statement
here uh to uh councelor Wallard's point
[1:30:11] and uh councelor Nimi's point, I want to
make sure that you understand one thing
[1:30:17] and she and I seem to have a different
opinion after coming from the Bronfield
[1:30:22] sites uh workshop
pardon
[1:30:28] Patty and I have a different view on
this.
[1:30:32] Um yes
indeed to remediate the brownfield sites
[1:30:38] the city should have a
developer. The city can be a
[1:30:43] developer of the sites. That doesn't
necessarily mean it has to develop the
[1:30:49] sites to the fullest extent. It only
means and it doesn't necessarily have to
[1:30:53] declare itself as a developer. The city
can buy the
[1:30:57] land at that point. then the
city can apply for these different
[1:31:03] grants from deed and so forth. And
that's where I got my information. So
[1:31:07] you could make this, you could get the
uh uh inference that Patty had uh and I
[1:31:14] was at the meeting, Jeff was at the
meeting, was sitting right next to me
[1:31:17] that the only way to do this is getting
an outside developer. No, that is not
[1:31:21] the case at all. Cities buy land all the
time. for example, land that was over in
[1:31:28] uh in Aurora that they're g they're
going to plat. So, but that
[1:31:33] property actually was uh I I believe it
was bought and the city is platting the
[1:31:39] land um and it can be designated as a
developer and so forth. So, I just
[1:31:46] wanted to make that clear. And as far as
the workshop is concerned, given the
[1:31:51] extent that you have for all those items
and so forth, I would ask you to look at
[1:31:56] having a separate workshop on this
housing. It's more complicated than you
[1:32:00] think, particularly given what Kath with
councelor Nimi said of wanting to put
[1:32:06] the school sites in with the rest of the
property. I would suggest that you talk
[1:32:10] to Chris Johnson down at the county to
find out the recent rulings that that
[1:32:16] have been uh a result of the court case
here. They should be a separate item
[1:32:22] right here. These properties will all
have to go up to auction irrespective of
[1:32:27] our wish to have done
otherwise. So that's all I have to say
[1:32:31] about that. I I housing is a huge issue,
but I want to make sure that the
[1:32:37] developer definition is understood in a
couple different ways. Thank you.
[1:32:43] I guess I would say that I do agree that
the city could be a developer, but I
[1:32:50] just personally don't see our city
having the staff or the knowledge to do
[1:32:57] that. But I do agree that the city could
be a developer.
[1:33:06] Okay. Is there anybody else that wishes
to Mr.
[1:33:14] Sakovich? You must be happy with it.
[1:33:22] You know, we're talking about
landscaping on the main street and that
[1:33:24] again. There was an issue last summer
came up about these plants that the
[1:33:28] state planted that the corner of 8th
Avenue and Highway 35 135. It's a
[1:33:35] traffic hazard. You people driving
smaller vehicles can't see through it.
[1:33:39] One of our local residents took upon
himself to solve the problem last year
[1:33:44] and got got in trouble. So what's going
to be the city's plan on that? Is that
[1:33:50] they're going to maintain the the tall
bushes or keep that included? I think
[1:33:54] that's going to be included in our
landscaping plan, but that will be
[1:33:57] addressed. I will say that it is
absolutely unacceptable for somebody to
[1:34:01] go and start hacking down things that
are not on your property. Well, I
[1:34:05] understand that, but like you know,
right? That'd be no different than
[1:34:07] grabbing a chainsaw and saying this tree
in the park is wrong and cutting it
[1:34:10] down. You just can't. There's nothing
wrong with that.
[1:34:15] There's going to
[1:34:18] be disagree or probably disagree with
you on that, but Okay. And we got two
[1:34:24] main two areas on the main
street. Why people why the city decided
[1:34:28] to plant sod there? I have no idea.
One's in front of TNT and V's in front
[1:34:35] of the one right out here too in front
of the park in front of the
[1:34:39] gazebo and this parking lot. It's
terrible. Okay. You know, you can plant
[1:34:45] all the sod you want and people don't
care. They want to walk on it. All it's
[1:34:49] going to do is become a big mudp or mud
mud pie. So, the city have any ideas and
[1:34:56] plans on that?
So, my thought was to uh fill those
[1:35:02] areas in with concrete
right here. Hang
[1:35:08] on. My son checked to make sure I'm
still alive.
[1:35:18] should be just hit the side button. I
tried that. I can't find
[1:35:21] it. Um, you know, like I said, my my
desire would be to to pour concrete
[1:35:27] there and I know that's going to come
with a little bit of heartache because
[1:35:32] and I I I I plan to hopefully get a hold
of some MDOT officials as they are going
[1:35:38] to supposedly fix a few of our sites.
You notice there's some sidewalk caving
[1:35:42] directly across the street from us um
right across from Bise where you know
[1:35:48] this the settling on their fix on the
road was unacceptable. And then we you
[1:35:52] know we requested last year they came
back and said they are going to fix some
[1:35:56] of that
um some of that sidewalk mismatching and
[1:36:01] cracking. But it would be nice to fill
those in with concrete. The problem is
[1:36:05] is when you look at it down the sight
line, you know, it's going to take a
[1:36:09] little bit of work to make your concrete
lay like this because it's the but um it
[1:36:15] would be nice to put concrete and get
rid of that. I don't know whose idea is
[1:36:19] sidewalk sidewalks. There's two areas in
town where different individuals have
[1:36:25] damaged the sidewalks. One right across
the street in the corner then across
[1:36:30] from the apartment
buildings. Damn, I wish Danny Bear was
[1:36:34] here because I pointed those out the
last year. And who's going to be
[1:36:37] responsible for that damage? That's over
two years ago now. Nothing's been done
[1:36:42] on it. And both property owners have
claimed responsibility for it. Um, and
[1:36:48] they'll be responsible for the cost when
when Midnight comes in and do the other
[1:36:53] stuff, they'll have it in the contract.
Okay. And then we can add to the uh 8th
[1:36:58] Avenue alleyway that a U-Haul truck
completely destroyed because it's
[1:37:04] mud.
So right across the street from your
[1:37:08] house.
[1:37:11] Yeah, the alley behind you know from the
storage units it's destroyed.
[1:37:17] So okay, that's all I have this time.
Huh? That's all I have. Okay, thanks
[1:37:22] Ken.
Anybody else? I'll wait.
[1:37:33] the 8th Avenue alleyway um on the what
is it the 100 block I guess that's
[1:37:39] completely destroyed from that U-Haul
truck cleaning out for that bank. So, uh
[1:37:45] that should be their responsibility to
fix that alley. And I I just noticed it
[1:37:49] yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to
uh I haven't had a chance to convey that
[1:37:53] to the administrator yet to put on the
list. So,
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[1:38:09] All right. If there is no more public
comment, I will move to or I will
[1:38:13] entertain everybody's favorite motion
toart. We have motion second to adjurnn.
[1:38:19] Uh no discussion. All in favor? I
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