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» Good morning. I'd like to call this
meeting to order for the Blackhawk

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County Board of Supervisors for
September 8th, 2026. Roll call, please.

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Miss Schwhalder.
>> Schwarz

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» here.
>> Paul

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>> Bryant

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>> Curtainbach

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>> Layen

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» here. Would everyone please join us for
a moment of silence as we reflect on

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today's actions.

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Thank you. Would you please join us for
the pledge of allegiance?

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» I pledge to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Item one is the agenda received as
proposed or as amended.

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» So moved.
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» All in favor say I.
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» I.
>> I. Same sign. The agenda is received.

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Item two is public comments. Is there
anyone here today that would like to

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speak on something that is not on
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Anyone online?

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We'll move right on to the
proclamations. A is September is hunger

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action month. Barb Prather Northeast
Iowa food bank and perhaps others are

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here today.
>> I was not feeling well today. So I'm

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Abby Turman. I'm the director of
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» Would you were you planning to say speak
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proclamation?
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and then I'll read it?
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» I've never done this one before.
>> Well, we're sorry, but yes, you're give

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your name and your
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I'm Abby Turpin. I'm director of
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communications at the Northeast Iowa
Food Bank. Um, every September is hunger

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action month. It's a time for us to
bring awareness to the community about

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what a serious problem food insecurity
is. I can tell you that currently right

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now we serve 16 counties and there's
over 45,000 people who don't know where

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their next meal is coming from. And in
Blackhawk County, that's actually one in

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five children. So over 20% of kids don't
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come from. So this month is important.
We have many events. We ask for

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everybody to wear orange on Hunger
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just to really highlight what an issue
hunger is in our community. So, thank

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you very much for having us today.
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» Karen, thank you very much for reading
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» This is a proclamation for Hunger Action
Month. Whereas hunger is a vital concern

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in northeast Iowa where 12% of people
including one in every six children

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experience food insecurity
and whereas every person deserves access

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to the food and resources they need to
live a full and healthy life yet

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millions of people in the US experience
food insecurity and when people don't

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have enough to eat it impacts their
health, education and future

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opportunities. Whereas the Blackhawk
County of Iowa is committed to taking

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steps to combat hunger in every part of
our community and to provide additional

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resources that are needed. And whereas
the Blackhawk County of Iowa is

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committed to working with the Northeast
Iowa Food Bank to educate people about

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the role and importance of the Feeding
America network and how it stands

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alongside community members facing
hunger to ensure everyone has access to

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the food and resources they need to
thrive. And whereas more than 17,000

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individuals in Blackhawk County
experience food insecurity annually. And

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whereas Northeast Iowa Food Bank
distributed more than 4.2 million meals

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throughout Blackhawk County and their
most recent fiscal year through a

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network of agency partners, food
pantries, meal programs, and other

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community organizations.
Whereas the month of September has been

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designated hunger action month to bring
communities together to elevate the

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voices of people who experience food
insecurity and inspire everyone to take

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action in the moment to end hunger. And
whereas food banks across the country,

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including the Northeast Iowa Food Bank,
will host numerous events throughout the

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month of September to bring awareness
and help end hunger in their local

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community. Now therefore, we, the
Blackhawk County Board of Supervisors,

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do hereby recognize September 2026 as
Hunger Action Month in the Blackhawk

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County of Iowa and call this observance
to the attention of our citizens.

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» Thank you very much.
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need a vote? I was going to say, would
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» Let's do it.
>> Yeah. All right. Motion.

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» I'll make a motion.
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» Okay. Um, all call vote. Please answer
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» Brandt.
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» Hall,
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» Schwarz,
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» Curtainbuck,
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» Leilen,
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» I don't know if we do without Barb or
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her. Okay.
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» Very good. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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» Yep. You can legislate. Yeah. Thank you.
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send you a copy. You guys are awesome.
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Item P is a proclamation on Labor Day
holiday. And Rich, I believe you

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submitted this.
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Labor Day, but it's again just formally
acknowledging uh the Labor Day holiday.

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Proclamation reads recognition of Labor
Day holiday. Whereas working men and

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women built this country and our county
to keep our economy running and there is

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a foundation of prosperity and vibrance
in Blockhaw County. Whereas the first

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Labor Day was observed on September 5th,
1882 when thousands of workers marched

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in New York City and working people have
gathered on the first Monday in

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September every year since to demand
working wages, decent hours, safe

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working conditions and dignity on the
job. Whereas the working people block

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our county in manufacturing and in food
processing, in construction and building

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trades, in transportation, utilities,
healthc care, education, public service,

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and agriculture and small businesses
across our communities have built the

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county we live in today.
Whereas protections that every Ians now

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take for granted, including the weekend,
the 8-hour day, workplace safety h

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standards and an end to child labor and
the employer provided benefits were

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secured through the perseverance and
sacrifice of organized workers. Whereas

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residents of Blackhawk County saw
plainly during the floods of 2008 and

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the CO 19 pandemic, the essential
workers and frontline workers carried

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this community through its hardest days.
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both to honor the progress that has been
made for the workers across Iowa and

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across the United States and recommmit
ourselves to the work that remains. Now

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therefore be resolved that the Black uh
Board of Supervisors formally designate

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September 7th, 2026, this Labor Day in
Blackhawk County, Iowa, publicly honor

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the working people, this community in
the labor that sustains our county every

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day and calls upon all residents to
observe the day with appropriate

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ceremonies and activities.

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I'll
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» Second.
It's roll call vote. Please answer your

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name is called.
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» Yes.
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» yes.
>> Schwarz,

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» yes.
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>> Item number four, presentation on the

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TechWorks proposed partnership.
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» I believe you have a presentation. Thank
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» I have a presentation.
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You said
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» Uh just here today uh to chat with you a
little bit about Tech Works. Uh I chair

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the board of Tech Works. Uh give you a
little background to me. I retired in

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banking. Uh helped found First National
Bank of Cedar Falls, now called First

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Bank as a dropped out national and went
to a state charter. uh also uh chair

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Mercy 1 northeast Iowa and I'm on a few
foundation boards too. Uh but this rolls

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back to Tech Works. Uh I don't know 15
20 years ago. Uh John Deere wanted to uh

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give the their old foundry activity
downtown to someone and obviously get a

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tax credit for that. uh individuals uh a
lot of people didn't want to take the

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liability that might uh be created with
that. Uh so uh we developed a

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corporation a 501c3
corporation and we called it Tech Works

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and the mission of Tech Works was to
develop and see what we could do with

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that manufacturing facilities.
Obviously, we took a lot of buildings

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down. Uh and today through all the years
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work uh we now have Tech 1 which uh
houses the uh University of Northern

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Iowa metal casting which there was a
nice article in the paper the other day

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about them receiving about a million
dollars to further their efforts uh in

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developing metal casting and
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4.0 5.0 uh type of thing. We recently
sold the second and third we we own

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first floor. We lease that to to you and
I. We recently sold the second and third

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floors of the facil tech 1 to Hawkeye
Community College for for them to set up

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their robotics training and workforce
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The upper three floors uh are owned by
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With the rest of the 42 acres, uh John
Deere uh put in their uh museum, tractor

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museum. Uh the city worked in putting
them the basis for a marina at some

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point in time. Maybe that will come
together. Uh the Marriott Hotel took one

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of the facilities and uh now under
construction is the entity called Court

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Works which will be uh built for
regional basketball volleyball

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tournaments. Eight basketball courts and
12 volleyball courts. With that,

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pretty much all of the uh
development uh of the real estate is

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completed.
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with $4 million
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process of investing. And then so we're
transitioning really from working with

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the the real estate piece of all of this
now to what we think our mission is to

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develop manufacturing 4.0
uh and advanced manufacturing within the

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Cedar Valley.
As part of this, as we uh

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decided to work with this, we've
identified as a 501c3

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uh we have to uh make grants because
what we're planning on doing is taking

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those funds having invested the funds,
the investment returns that we get off

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of that we want to invest back into the
Cedar Valley and create as much as we

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can manufacturing
advanced manufacturing and manufacturing

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4.0 5.0
uh as and since we're a 501c3

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we need to
make these grants out uh to charitable

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uh organizations or charitable purposes.
uh what's the situation that we have? Uh

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many of these are going to be
manufacturing types of companies. Their

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interest isn't necessarily
charity. They're they're for-profit

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organizations.
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individuals, they say if we make these
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Blackhawk County,
then as that can be a charitable purpose

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as they then
transfer these funds to the companies

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that we're looking at. Uh Tavis is on
the board uh of the uh Tech Works. Nolan

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Anderson's on the board. Uh Randy
Pilington from you and I. Drew Conrad

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from you and I. Uh Jim Miller from First
Interstate. Uh and several others. But

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and I say that just to give you an idea
that the board is, you know, very

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knowledgeable in identifying this
activity. We're not asking you for any

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work or anything that you you would have
to do. The board is uh interested in

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going out and searching and and trying
to find these opportunities

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uh for the Cedar Valley. Obviously,
Blackhawk is part of that. And uh once

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we find appropriate opportunities, we
intend to provide funding to uh develop

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it. So,
we're going to provide the expertise and

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labor actions and we're going to f
provide the funding. We just want to be

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in a partnership with Blackhawk County
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Questions?
>> Well, I'll just I'll just start. Thanks

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for for coming and speaking to the
board. I've talked with Dave a few times

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on this. Um,
I'll admit I was a little befuddled that

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he first met with Nol Anderson. Uh,
that's crazy to me. Why would you ever

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meet with N? Oh, just kidding. Um, but
the practicality of what they're looking

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at doing in each municipality seems
overly cumbersome. Uh, so for instance,

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uh, to speak a little bit more on on on
the ask, right? of establishing a fund

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that we'd be able to support advanced
manufacturing efforts throughout the

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Cedar Valley throughout Black County.
If that were reserves for just Waterlue,

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if it went to Waterl with that
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Falls with that agreement. They'd have
to go to Hudson to Evansdale to so on

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and so forth. um versus
board of supervisors who has

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jurisdiction and and and a a natural um
connection uh to these businesses um

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success.
So the the practicality of this seemed

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to make sense to me. Uh I encouraged
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um with staff. So he's met with Kathy.
Initially I envisioned it going through

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the seed out the the economic
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action planning team.
We went through a pretty extenuous uh or

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an extensive
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Economic development was one of those
areas that we prioritized in that

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strategic plan. Uh and this presents an
opportunity for us to no cash out. We

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don't have to expend dollars. Uh but we
are partners in this effort of economic

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development specifically in that area of
advanced manufacturing. After meeting

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with Kathy um Dave met with Michelle and
Mike uh just to make sure that

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everything was sort of up on the up and
up and and we were able to able to do

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something along these lines, you know,
in uh in conjunction with with state

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law. And I know Mike reviewed it. Um
Michelle heard out the proposal and I'll

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let them each speak to to how that uh
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the sense from them that we could bring
this seems like a thing to bring to the

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board um for us to to talk about and uh
and weigh if it's a a place that we want

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to uh want to engage. But it seems to me
as if uh this is a pretty lowrisk uh

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opportunity for us to engage in
meaningful economic development. Um it

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doesn't cost us dollars. Uh we're we're
working with a nonprofit uh to be able

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to to
generate uh some economic activity uh

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here within the county.
So the grant applications that are to be

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awarded to the charitable organization
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» or not.
>> Yeah. Tech works. And I sent some

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materials out to you just to give you
some guidelines.

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» You did of of how we're Yep.
>> how we're working through who we're

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going to look at, what types of uh
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looking at in that advanced
manufacturing piece. And then also we

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will work through all the you know try
to develop the grants. We'll review the

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grants. We'll then make decisions on
what we see as priorities and and

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positive things that we would try to
fund. Uh at that point once we've

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identified that grant piece, we would
then come to Blackhawk County and

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identify it and have you guys hopefully
determine that yeah, good idea. Let's

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move forward. Uh, and if you approve it,
then we would, if we're going to fund

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it, let's say we give them $100,000,
we're going to then send those funds to

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Blackhawk County, and you'll make uh
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identified.
>> But if if you approve,

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» yeah, I mean, you'll have all all the
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eligibility when I looked in there and
it said grant applications must be

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submitted by organizations recognized as
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charitable organizations which typically
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projects
>> but but this is the piece of if they

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aren't a 501c3 this is an opportunity to
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» so it's actually us receiving it
>> so Mike I'm I'm guessing how this would

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work and we can provide clarity because
I I this Sounds exciting. I'm glad that

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you came to the county for this. I want
to see how we can make this work. Um I'm

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guessing that we would be entering like
into a development agreement with these

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places and then passing the money
through cuz I know that we certainly

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can't just donate. We're forbidden from
that. Um is is that what you envision?

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Um, so essentially what would happen
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come to the county and say we have a uh
we have an organization or we have

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business that we want to provide uh some
f some economic development funding to.

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uh they would uh provide those funds to
the county if the county approved the

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economic funding to the business. Uh
economic development funding is

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permitted as a public purpose under
chapter 15A. Uh the question in my mind

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as I researched this was whether the
county could serve as a pass through of

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sorts for these funds. And we we can't
serve as a straight up pass through, but

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as long as the board retains its
discretion whether or not to approve the

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funding to the recipient business,
um it is uh permissible for us to serve

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in the capacity that uh Mr. Dver's uh
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I actually ran this by a representative
with the state auditor's office who did

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not have any concerns about it. I did my
own research on it as well. And and

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that's the key distinction. If it was if
we were required or our hands were bound

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to give it to that business, then that
would create a red flag, create a

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problem for us. But as long as the board
retains discretion as to whether to send

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that funding on, then uh then that's
permissible. In addition, I ran by uh

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both I I worked through in my own
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state auditor's representative and I
don't remember that person's name off

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the top of my head. Um but it uh it is
permissible for us to do this knowing

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that uh the tech works will not be
providing the funding to the county

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absent the approval of the business
recipient and that is also permissible.

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So then to your question about a a
funding agreement, we would we would

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have to create a county funding
agreement similar to what we do for for

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uh you know for public purpose funding
uh with the recipient business. Uh that

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would just be necessary because the
county would effectively at that point

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be providing the funding. Um do we need
to have an agreement with the uh with

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the tech works? uh technically we we
don't need to but I think it would make

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sense to have one so that you know or at
least a memorandum of understanding so

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that it's clear uh how this is going to
work structurally uh once we we begin to

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engage in this. So yeah I think we need
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the tech works from a um a practical
perspective. Uh, finally, as far as the

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as the tax avoidance for the tech works,
I did not focus my research on that. My

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understanding is Tech Works has had that
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» Yes, correct.
>> I And so I think that's pretty much

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Dave, did I get that about right?
>> Yeah, absolutely. and any other issue as

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far as this working agreement or however
you want to identify it is certainly at

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any time that Blackhawk County feels
like this doesn't work for you or or

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whatever then fine you know and probably
hopefully it'll be a good positive thing

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and even every year we can review it and
say yeah we want to keep on going but

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you know our intent is just to kind of
keep on working at it. My intent is uh

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not to work on it too much longer. I'm
getting too old. But uh at least try to

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get this up and running for a couple of
years and we'll let the rest of the kids

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play with the the deal
>> questions.

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I've got one.
Uh so where's the money come from then?

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Is that you guys already have that
liquid? when when we sold uh the the

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second and third floors,
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» uh to Hawkeye, uh we received basically
$4 million. Obviously,

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we we went through a whole lot of money
from deer as we went through the process

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of tearing down buildings and and
rebuilding the campus. Uh but, uh we're

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at the kind of the end of the road of
all of that and we've got $4 million and

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now what's the next step? And for us the
board we've identified the next step uh

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as uh moving forward with that mission
mission on advanced manufacturing type

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of thing which is of course what the
first floor is all about with you and I

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and the second third floors with
robotics and and that and at the very

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beginning we thought it might be more
biio manufacturing

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uh as we started just setting up
thinking about Iowa and all the crops

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and stuff and then John Deere but that
type of piece didn't necessarily pan

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out. So we and of course now the the
issue is you know the advanced

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manufacturing piece the AI all the all
the stuff that uh can create you know if

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you read the article you identify how uh
you and I can bring in this sand printer

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you know and then use that technology to
help other industries that you know

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small shops that don't don't have
million2 million three million dollars

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or so to to purchase some of the
advanced things. So hopefully we can

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promote and help help people develop
that develop jobs uh make this a better

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place to live.
>> That was my next question was what

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exactly is this going to fund? Education
for for would be employees or a

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combination of things that equipment
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could be equipment, could be education,
uh, bringing people in to to help

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identify pieces. Uh, you know, a little
deal that happened, a nephew that

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decided to go to Stanford when he was 15
years old, and he came out, and when he

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got done, he and a friend started a
little AI business uh, where it hooks in

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for small and medium manufacturers and
processes their orders. This AI does it

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10 times faster than the individuals.
It's 99% accurate. Uh when that they do

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the training is an individual sits with
the entity, the AI component and uh

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identifies where it's made a mistake. It
never makes the same mistake twice. So

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now he's just start he was just starting
his company. he actually sold the

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product uh to a local manufacturer and
then of course he's then he's thinking

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well shoot now I'm selling stuff I need
employees to do the input and things and

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so had we been kind of up and running we
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startup dollars for that to develop here
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» how are the uh
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candidates at like how's the grants
advertised? I'm just thinking, you know,

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I'm vaguely familiar with the Cedar
Valley Manufacturers Association,

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» right?
>> Is this like a

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a membership that you have to kind of
buy into to be to qualify?

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» No.
>> Okay. I mean, obviously that would be a

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source, you know, a group type of thing,
but no, we're we're looking and we're

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obviously we'd like to find items in
Blackhawk County. The reality is we're

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Cedar Valley, uh, type of thing. So, uh,
we'll also look at other counties in our

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Cedar Valley area. Uh but uh and if you
read through some of the stuff, it

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identifies that even even if you're not
located in the Cedar Valley or Blackhawk

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County, if what you're going to do is
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support and develop the county, then you
would you could qualify. But all of

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these things are going to, you know,
have different levels of priority. Sure.

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as we walk through it. How are we going
to identify the the opportunity of these

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grants? Well,
this is the reason I'm here is this is a

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work in process and so we'll we have a
website. So, we'll do some things on the

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website. we'll learn, you know, uh some
of our people are already uh well

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identified within the Iowa economic
development uh community. So, uh we'll

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kind of figure it out. You know, our
funds are now just in the process of

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being invested through the dollar cost
averaging types of things. That'll be

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completed at the end of the year and
then at that point we'll start to work

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through the process of granting any
funds.

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I sent uh a little bit of the uh
financial piece to you that identifies

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the 4 million. Right now we've got about
$50,000 in there. reality would say

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typically uh in a foundational type of
uh investment process four 5% after fees

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uh would what we'd be looking at you
know so couple hundred,000 250,000

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each year might be available and we
could look at it from pledge parts you

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know of identifying maybe two 200,000
for five years so it's a million dollar

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type of pledge
which they could then leverage for other

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funding uh as they develop their entity.
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» So Dave, this could be a long-term
process is what you're trying to allude

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to.
>> Yep. Absolutely. or

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if the right opportunity came up to us
and was going to put a 100 jobs in

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Blackhawk County and they needed $4
million. It might be a short process.

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It's you know
>> and the decision is made by the board. I

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mean the I guess the evaluations and the
looking at each project and

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» yeah, we're going to we'll do all that
provide you all of that materials and

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and then you can then make a final of
whether we're just a bunch of

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knuckleheads or we got really something
that would work for Blackhawk.

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» Well, I assume your the Tech Works
attorneys looked at this and knew this

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was an option considered. Well, this
yeah, this is just a piece. Yeah, a

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piece that is in process,
>> you know. I mean, first thing is, are

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you guys interested? And if you're not
interested, I guess I've enjoyed a half

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hour,
I think, with other

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» and we're on we're on to something else.
>> Would they what other options would

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there be? I mean, if the county was not
able to do this process, this pro go

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through this, what other options do you
have in trying to

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» Well, again, if Black doesn't want to do
it, maybe Chickasaw wants to do it for

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their area uh cities. I I did talk with
null uh from the city of Wateroo because

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he's on the board and I just trying to
develop how this inner play would work.

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Uh, and I of course know uh the guys
over in Cedar Falls, so I talked with

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them a little bit. Uh, but yeah, it's
just we'll put it out there. Now, let's

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say no governmental agency wants to deal
with this. Then the next piece uh is

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there are entities that we could for fee
work uh for this or uh you start then

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bringing in these expensive attorneys.
Oh. Oh, sorry Mike. I'm not worth the

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expenses.
>> You're not one of those. But you know,

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but you can bring in attorneys that
would then work through a process to

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identify that this particular case would
be charitable. So it there's other

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options. this just seemed like a
>> a good one to me

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» uh to work with you guys for and I
started with no but then as as we were

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talking it became the issue of well if
it's outside the city boundary or then

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we'd have to go to Blackhawk County and
then thinking of it as a Cedar Valley

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thing
there's a lot of cities and communities

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you know dyke and whatever you know, so
you just it just it made it more sense

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to deal with it on a county bycounty
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» Well, it looked like from the materials
you provided just you were looking at

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all six counties.
>> Yes.

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» Not just Blackhawk County,
>> right? Yeah. Well, and I I started here

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cuz I thought since we live here and
Tech Works is here and I know a few of

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you guys through the 60 years I've been
around that maybe

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if I couldn't talk with you guys then
Yikes.

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» Is there a preference for Blackhawk
County in any way?

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» No.
>> Like an advantage?

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» No. I I I would I would say not reality.
We're looking for the best projects

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» for the region.
>> For the region.

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» And Dave, you sort of already touched on
my next question. Um on the $4 million

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endowment, you're estimating about
$200,000 in revenue from that annually.

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Um well, but you said that there would
be some flexibility of, you know, really

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great opportunity that you would cut
into the endowment.

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Correct. Y
>> um what would you um ever have years

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where you were um carrying over what was
um gained in income to potentially build

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up? Okay.
>> Yes, absolutely. That's you you have all

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of that types of possibility.
uh maybe because you know we don't have

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anything that really raises to the level
that we want to give in any particular

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year but we also may know there's
something out there that is developing

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and so we may pull these resources uh
and in a couple years we would spend

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them on out
uh you know

420
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:54,320
in part of my life I I I was a chair for
the Cedar Falls public library and

421
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:58,480
redevelop some funds and I mean and
that's exactly the type of things that

422
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:04,240
we did uh and I mean the other
possibility there can be some other

423
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:09,280
foundations sometimes places what
matching funds we can be the provider of

424
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:15,119
of the matching funds and so double
money uh for entities that are working

425
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:20,720
on it or like you say you see something
that's a little bit in the future that

426
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:26,960
you might need 500,000 or so, then then
maybe the board will hold it on back. Uh

427
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:34,160
type of thing. It's
it's whatever comes

428
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:40,079
before us and try to do the best that we
can. I kind of think they should send me

429
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:44,800
to Hawaii every year, you know, with the
funds and and do something like that,

430
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,160
but the board seems to think that's not
what they want to do.

431
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:53,839
» Not the type of chair they want. and and
we're just volunteers, you know, we're

432
00:36:51,359 --> 00:37:00,320
we're not asking for any money. We're
just uh local citizens

433
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:06,320
trying to do the right thing. Dave, I've
got just two things to think about. I

434
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:10,960
love the idea of it um going forward.
But things I guess that I think about is

435
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:15,200
uh how the expenses with the county
being involved potentially in any way,

436
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:19,520
how the expenses will be accounted for
and what guard rails are in place to

437
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,960
ensure don't take this the wrong way
>> that we're not giving money using the

438
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,400
government as a passer to our friends
organizations.

439
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,359
» Sure.
>> That's my concern. I don't have any

440
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,920
reason to think that you guys would do
that,

441
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:34,000
» but we know it happens in this world
that we live in. And so I mean, those

442
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:39,680
are some things that we can work
through. Uh, you know, I

443
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,880
» I didn't necessarily come here with all
the answers, right?

444
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,800
» We don't even have all the answers of
how we're going to put this thing

445
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:52,160
together, but we've got a few months
here that we're going to work through

446
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:59,839
it. So uh but yeah obviously there'd be
we're looking also you know my years of

447
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:04,720
United Way activity there comes that
process of you're giving out funds now

448
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:09,200
you want to look back and see what were
the outcomes

449
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:13,599
» how how did those funds how how did that
organization use the dollars so we'll

450
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,480
develop some stuff like that
>> yeah because that was going to be my

451
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,240
followup really to the compliance and
the liability

452
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,920
» in this partnership wouldn't be on the
county taxpayers

453
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,680
» and and of course
>> agreement type of things to

454
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:33,599
» Yeah. And and and any of the expenses
that we're going to develop and trying

455
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:39,040
to identify uh recipients and that
obviously that's all on us too

456
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:42,800
» because I think we did start the
conversations talking as a pass through

457
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,800
the county be the pass through and Mike
really kind of clarified that we can't

458
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:50,720
be the pass through. that comes
>> not not just a straight up pass through.

459
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:56,480
We have to have discretion
>> sounds easy but there's a little more to

460
00:38:52,400 --> 00:39:00,000
it. We need to just make sure protection
>> and I think that the way it we set up

461
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,240
you know in many ways the board of
supervisors becomes one of those guard

462
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:10,640
rails because it's has to be approved by
your board first and then by us and so

463
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:17,119
um in many ways I think this can lead to
um much stronger development um um

464
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:22,079
proposals being pushed forward because
it's going to be vetted by two different

465
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:26,800
bodies. Um, so I think it's we've got
the framework for a pretty good system

466
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,240
uh here that I feel pretty comfortable
and I I definitely offer my support

467
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,119
today.
>> Yeah, if it works for the both the

468
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,720
guardrails, I think I like it with the
two entities, but I wasn't sure that

469
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,599
that was, you know, you weren't finding
the projects, working through the

470
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,520
projects and the applications and then
saying, "Here's the funding. You know,

471
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:48,960
we'd like to see this pass on."
>> No, you you're going to then then review

472
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:53,839
it. And of course, every time you do
that, then you're going to have to

473
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:58,000
listen to me tell you, "No,
well, you send me the information. You

474
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,880
guys decide if it works or not." And
>> from administratively, you don't see

475
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:05,680
that being a large staff related issue
with us other than like I said the board

476
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:13,040
involvement. That would be
>> Yeah. I mean obviously there's a

477
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:19,119
always an element of trust you know uh
and so hopefully you will understand as

478
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:23,839
we get this thing going as you see the
one or two of these things start to to

479
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:30,240
move through you'll read through it
you'll say hey uh you know these guys

480
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:38,079
know what they're doing uh these
companies look good so uh you know and

481
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:43,440
and The hope is that we create something
that's a little bit seamless that we

482
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:49,119
don't talk with a entity and then it's a
year down the road before we can provide

483
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:56,480
any funding because these things like my
nephew he was here today as he did that

484
00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:01,359
he was on his way to Ames in De Moine uh
for venture capital funds uh to fund it.

485
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:05,200
So,
we need to be able to

486
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:10,160
feel comfortable of moving things
through expeditiously as possible.

487
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:15,839
» What are you estimating for a timeline?
Would you like to have this up and

488
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:18,960
running or have you given that thought?
>> When would you like to do it?

489
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:24,800
» It's possible if there's businesses out
there that take advantage. No, I mean

490
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:31,520
our our thought process is again the
funds are now in the pro investment

491
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:38,000
process at the end of the year basically
because I mean we we work off of a

492
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:42,960
fiscal year but investments work off of
a calendar year typically. So, at the

493
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:48,560
end of this year, if we've got all the
if we're comfortable enough with all of

494
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:53,440
our processes, then we would start
looking for opportunities. This first

495
00:41:51,359 --> 00:42:01,280
year is going to be pretty minimal
because we've just getting the funds in.

496
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:07,760
We just received them this spring. So
the the real piece would be probably in

497
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:14,400
28 because then you'd have a full year
of investment activity to work with it.

498
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:19,520
But yeah, if we saw something that
$50,000 would make a difference in

499
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:22,560
Blackhawk County, why not?
>> Well, you said if you saw something four

500
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:29,680
million would make a big difference.
>> Sure. and and well and

501
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:36,640
» I I will I will tell you
because of my position with Mercy 1, I

502
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:42,160
was up in line to see our visit our new
administrator and a new board member and

503
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:47,359
the board member took me over to their
economic development individual and I

504
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:53,119
kind of walked through this a little bit
with them and she got fairly excited

505
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:59,119
because she was in the process of
looking for $3 million for an IT company

506
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:05,119
that wanted to buy a couple of buildings
downtown and bring a hundred to 150

507
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:10,560
jobs. Now, when I said we weren't really
looking to advance all the funds out

508
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:16,079
right away, different story, but yeah,
but this stuff is and of course, you

509
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:21,359
know, the other
piece of this that spins off of it, if

510
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:27,119
we can get a few of these things
happening,

511
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:32,400
you know, then other entities say, "Wait
a second, Blackhawk County is really

512
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,599
working to develop advanced
manufacturing

513
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:44,960
opportunities.
Maybe we should talk with them.

514
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:48,800
Otherwise, it may it's when I was
working through college, I went worked

515
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:54,560
at HY,
we put the milk way in the back

516
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:58,160
so that as you walk through the aisles,
you found other opportunities of thing

517
00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:02,680
that you could buy even though you're
just coming for a gallon of milk.

518
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,680
» Opportunities.

519
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:10,000
Anyway, that's the thought process.
>> Well, I was excited to to ask Dave to

520
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:15,599
come and and talk. I I really wanted to
sort of check the temp of the board. If

521
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:19,359
it's a no-go, then
>> Dave, go find somebody else so you can

522
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:24,720
get this thing moving along. if there's
an interest in working through a plan.

523
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:30,640
You know, I'm hoping that we can at
least provide some level of direction

524
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:34,160
or, you know, insight that I'm certainly
in favor of of this, but wanted to talk

525
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,359
with the rest of the board, too, to see
where you all were at.

526
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:42,160
» Guess my biggest concern is ongoing
liability for the county and additional

527
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:46,720
costs on taxpayers.
I like know more of the framework and

528
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:50,560
then hear more from Mike as far as our
ongoing liability for future situation

529
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,400
with
>> the devil's in the details part.

530
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,440
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

531
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,400
» Yeah. And
>> but if we're saying let's

532
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,760
» let's crack the crab so we can get to
the details. That's one thing. Or if

533
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,760
we're

534
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:11,160
» Yeah. I'd say let's let's begin
exploring how to make it happen and what

535
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,160
roadblocks there might be. I like it.

536
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:18,400
And perhaps we we reach a point where it
doesn't make sense to I mean at this

537
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:21,680
point I'm supportive of it
>> for what that's worth.

538
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:28,880
» Mike, you had a comment?
>> No, I all I was um commenting on was uh

539
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:34,079
I think we probably need to have a uh
work session of some sort where the

540
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:39,359
board discusses this. Um I don't uh
based on my research so far, I don't see

541
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:45,040
a lot of potential for liability
u per se. I mean there will be some

542
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:49,920
administrative costs in uh in carrying
out this role and the board will have to

543
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:55,119
decide you know what what it wants to do
relative to that and and that can be

544
00:45:52,319 --> 00:46:00,480
anything from having a fee structure to
to just deciding that that's that's the

545
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:06,000
part the county is going to take on and
and the um there is a certain kind of

546
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:11,599
regional aspect to this so it isn't
entirely for blackhawk county entities

547
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:16,240
necessarily ly, but still,
um, I can see what what Dave's saying

548
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:21,359
about the the benefits that it's going
to provide the area, the county

549
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:26,400
regardless. So, it is it isn't a big com
I I actually had some concerns early on

550
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:31,440
about the, you know, sound like a pass
through and all that, but as long as the

551
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:37,920
board retains its discretion and can say
no, um, that is where, uh, that is where

552
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:42,000
things should clear up for us. It'll be
interesting if the board ever says no

553
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:44,880
how we resolve some of that though that
that's

554
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,920
» well then the money doesn't come right
but I mean it's unfortunate

555
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,839
we find a different direction
>> supportive of it and then we have to

556
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:55,280
argue with you
>> which is always fun so

557
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,240
» I I think I
>> convince us to why we were wrong I may

558
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:03,760
have gone beyond my five to 10 minutes
>> hopefully that doesn't happen. So Dave,

559
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,000
is the money currently in an interest
bearing account where it's acrewing more

560
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:13,440
and more more?
>> Yeah. Yeah, it's

561
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:20,240
US bank. We sent it out for RFP and 23
different entities uh responded to to do

562
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:24,560
the MA funds management part. US Bank
ended up being the one that we selected

563
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:29,440
uh and they're in that process right
now. So, no, it's a and it's invested

564
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:33,119
obviously in the markets and bonds and
all the things that money managers

565
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:37,760
invest stuff in.
>> So, we could be talking closer to 5

566
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:40,240
million if it's building up over series
of years.

567
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,760
» Well, yeah. Well, I mean it could, but
that's not our intent,

568
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:46,000
» right?
>> Because our intent is to spend it as it

569
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,319
becomes available,
>> right?

570
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,560
» But yeah, I mean it
>> Okay,

571
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:54,400
» this was the initial phase, so there
could be more funding available later.

572
00:47:52,640 --> 00:48:01,440
» No, probably not. Okay.
>> Uh, you know, the the 42 acres is

573
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:07,280
developed. There's not much left to do,
which is good for the county and for the

574
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:14,000
city and everybody involved. And all of
that has finally through all the years

575
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:21,119
uh found a home for multiple entities
that uh she was the museum, the Marriott

576
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:26,720
had a one of the new heads for Mercy.
One was in town the other day to chat

577
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:32,800
and use the Marriott and uh the city
still has a the basic foundation pieces

578
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:39,040
for the marina. That may happen. There's
a couple of small lots that you could

579
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:41,680
squeeze something in, but uh you know,
>> yeah,

580
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:49,640
» maybe the supervisor would like to build
a facility for them to

581
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,640
» we don't know.

582
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:56,880
So maybe in the next few weeks,
>> just the idea of of drafting a

583
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,800
memorandum of understanding probably
seems like a natural thing for us to

584
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:07,200
work through at a work session and just
to keep the ball rolling.

585
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:10,400
Yeah. I mean, I'm here
now

586
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:16,079
because,
you know, let's get the pieces of the

587
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:22,319
puzzle put together so we're ready
>> to move when we have an opportunity to.

588
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:27,839
» Dave, you'll notice that expeditious is
not one of our core values. A wall. So,

589
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:33,200
nothing moves fast in this building.
>> Government that's intentional.

590
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:37,920
expeditious, but you know, ease like
efficiency.

591
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:41,200
Create expeditious activity.
>> Yeah. No, that's great. You'll be

592
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,839
surprised how fast you'll go through $4
million, though.

593
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,400
» Well, well, I
>> think they

594
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:50,079
does.
>> When I started the bank, they gave me $2

595
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:56,000
million.
I lost $1 million the first two years,

596
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:59,040
» but uh it's now 150 million, so it
worked out.

597
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,960
» It worked out. Thanks so much.
Yes, sir.

598
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,480
» No, thank you.
>> And I think provided your information,

599
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:09,760
my contact if anybody wanted to reach
out. So, thank you.

600
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,000
» Yes, we don't mind.
>> Take care.

601
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,119
» Item number five, claims and payments
resolution that the board of supervisors

602
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,160
approved expenditures and that the
county auditor be authorized and

603
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:24,720
directed to issue payments against the
various settlement of such claims as

604
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:29,040
allowed.
>> So moved. Second,

605
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:33,720
» Miss Weedner. Good morning, board. Our
total bill payment today is $44,7726.

606
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:40,440
The 6040 fund portion of that is
$2,95760.

607
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:48,800
There's really only one uh significant
payment today. We are purchasing the

608
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:55,280
boom lift for the road department from
Alterper for $18,750.

609
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:59,040
Everything appears to be in order. Any
questions for me today?

610
00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:03,680
No questions. I just wanted to point out
another $26,000 in out of county uh

611
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,599
expenses.
>> Yes.

612
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:09,920
» For from the sheriff's office.
>> Housing inmates. Yes.

613
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:14,880
» And I'm sorry, I almost forgot. I was
also supposed to say payroll was

614
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:20,319
1,694,000
roughly two weeks.

615
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:23,280
This is a resolution. Please answer your
names. Call

616
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,400
» Schwarz.
>> Yes.

617
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,520
» Briant.
>> Yes.

618
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,040
» Paul,
>> yes. Bach,

619
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,280
» yes.
>> Leilen,

620
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:32,720
» yes.
>> Item number six, receive project updates

621
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,559
from department heads and elected
officials.

622
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:40,160
» Good morning, board. Kathy Nicholas,
engineer.

623
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,839
I'm pleased to give you an update this
morning about our proposed new shop

624
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:49,240
facility.
I just got a real short presentation

625
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:49,240
here.

626
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:57,359
So, I'm going to talk to you about these
few things. the the site um the cost of

627
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:02,079
the facility and how we are proposing to
pay for the new facility.

628
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,520
So just to focus on the site for a few
minutes I know I believe you've all

629
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:09,200
you're all familiar that we have been
talking with the city of water you've

630
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:15,599
signed an agreement with the city of
water that we would like to move out to

631
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:21,520
their air and rail uh facility their
industrial park which is uh northwest or

632
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:26,559
west of the airport in in water. Uh we
have been looking at a few different

633
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:31,359
parcels with them, but uh last week we
we kind of collectively agreed that we

634
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:37,920
the roads department would go on the
north side of Hyper Drive.

635
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:43,760
Uh it's technically two parcels 300 by
about 900 ft each,

636
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:49,040
but collectively they add to about 14
acres. Uh the current Longfellow

637
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:54,319
facility is is about 15.9 or about 16
acres.

638
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:59,200
Uh we also asked for an easement out
like a backdoor easement or driveway out

639
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:04,880
to what's called Warp Drive and then
this goes curves right around and ties

640
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:10,000
into Lone Tree Road. So either way,
we're getting really good access to uh

641
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:15,680
Lone Tree Road, US Highway 218, and then
Dunkerton Road, which is of course a a

642
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,680
county road.

643
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:25,559
Uh all the utilities are in at these
parcels and it is pretty much ready for

644
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,559
construction this site.

645
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:32,079
Uh the cost of the new facility we are
we are relying on that study that

646
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:37,280
Envision completed for us. They
completed it last fall about this time

647
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:42,559
last fall and at that time their study
did show that or the concept was that

648
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:47,040
the engineers office would move out of
the courthouse. We would be colllocated

649
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,960
with our roads department. We would
become we would integrate into one big

650
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:56,400
department.
Uh this would include office space, warm

651
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:01,680
storage like for example this is where
we park our trucks and to get them out

652
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:07,839
of the elements and that is it's not a
cold storage facility. It is slightly

653
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:11,839
it's warm. It's not heated to the way we
would heat a home of course but it is

654
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:16,000
warm storage so that the snow is melting
off of our vehicles in the winter for

655
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:21,359
example. it wouldn't include new
mechanics bays, uh, wash bays, a sign

656
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:25,599
shop, chemical storage. So, they kind of
looked at everything we need, envisioned

657
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,839
it, and they came up with an estimate of
20 to $30 million about a year ago. And

658
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:34,480
this, of course, was just a rough
number.

659
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:38,079
In further refining that, we've uh
visited a lot of facilities. This is

660
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:42,880
this is a photo of actually the new
Faget County shop and and their new shop

661
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:46,960
is strictly office space and mechanic
space.

662
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:52,160
Uh we you know we've been thinking about
this for almost three years now working

663
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:58,240
on this for almost three years. Uh we've
been saving money for a number of years

664
00:54:54,800 --> 00:55:03,040
to purchase to to pay back to pay bonds
for a new facility. So of course that is

665
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:08,240
the way we would finance a new facility
would have it be an initial down payment

666
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:12,800
out of our secondary road fund.
We are calculating we have approximately

667
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:16,720
4 to 4.5 million in our secondary road
fund right now that we could use as a

668
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:22,480
down payment.
Uh we are calculating that the initial

669
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:27,280
cost the most we can afford
based on things being as they are right

670
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:33,119
now and I'll get get to that caveat in a
minute is that we can afford

671
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:38,400
approximately 15 to 18 million in
initial capital costs. We of course

672
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:43,119
would repay this with local option sales
tax funds which we are now cleared to

673
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:47,760
do. We are now eligible to use those
funds for uh repayment of a building

674
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:52,400
facility.
We anticipate we could repay

675
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:57,359
approximately $1.5 million a year for
about 10 years. And these are of course

676
00:55:54,319 --> 00:56:03,200
just rough numbers. We we have an we've
been working with an initial interest

677
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:07,520
rate of 4%. Uh that could change of
course especially when we're talking

678
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:12,720
this amount of money. So that's just
these are all rough estimates based on

679
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:19,839
that. Uh but we feel like 15 to $18
million is is pretty doable right now

680
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:24,240
and that we are working on an RFP and
those are the numbers we've used. Uh

681
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:28,319
currently our biggest unknown of course
is our secondary road transfer amount

682
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:32,799
and that's the amount that you transfer
to us out of the general fund and the

683
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:36,960
rural fund
into the roads department fund. So we'll

684
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:42,559
we'll see how that goes as we go through
the budget next next spring. That could

685
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:46,720
if that changes that's could affect
whether we can build a new facility or

686
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:50,720
not.
And so we we are ready to go out for

687
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:56,000
architectural services. We've been
working pretty hard the last all summer

688
00:56:52,640 --> 00:57:02,799
long on an RFP to send out to
approximately 6 to8 architects. Um, a

689
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:08,559
lot of those are who we sent our last uh
the the need study to.

690
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:14,720
Uh, they will help us determine what we
can build and determine if that 15 to$18

691
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:19,920
million is feasible. And we are hoping
that if all things go as planned, we'd

692
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:24,880
like to have an architect under contract
sometime in November.

693
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:29,920
We would allow about a year for plans
and then possibly be under construction

694
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:36,319
by late late 2027,
but probably most likely early 2028.

695
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:42,319
Uh we are ready to send out the RFPs
today. Ryan will probably send them out

696
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:45,040
today. So, can I answer any questions at
this point?

697
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,119
Just glad to hear the news. It's moving
forward.

698
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:53,079
» Thanks. I appreciate Yeah. Provided a
good update. Thank you, Debbie.

699
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:01,440
» This Chris, just a quick question maybe
for Michelle. Um just as we think of the

700
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:06,000
the budget in the coming years and the
um constrictions we'll be facing facing

701
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:10,640
because of the actions of the state
legislature this past year and past

702
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:16,799
couple of years. Um can you remind us
what approximately the annual transfer

703
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:22,400
has been on average from the general
fund to the secondary roads fund?

704
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:28,720
» The general fund it's around a million
but we also provide about 3 million from

705
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:36,799
the rural fund and then they also are
receiving about um 2 million annually

706
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:40,240
from the local option funds.
6 million tax support

707
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:45,520
» annually.
>> I'm more concerned about the constraints

708
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:48,880
we'll be facing on the general fund. I
I'm still concerned about well we'll be

709
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:54,640
facing on the royal fund, but the
general fund especially is is just going

710
00:58:51,760 --> 00:59:00,480
to be tighter and tighter
>> most likely. But that will also that

711
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:09,200
could also impact rural fund. So it's
all a intricate puzzle there. But um I

712
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:15,200
would not anticipate the board
needing I guess or choosing to

713
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:20,559
dramatically reduce the transfer. So I'm
not sure that that's a

714
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:26,559
huge concern. I think there could be
some reductions just because I don't

715
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:34,079
think it's makes sense to expect other
departments to have reductions you know

716
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:42,079
com and nothing in this department but
yeah the um didn't have a chance to

717
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:47,280
get back to Kathy but I I think that
it's possible with that if we're

718
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:51,839
planning to use 1.5 million in local
option tax to repay a bond

719
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:59,200
that could be closer to 14 million. And
there is also a balance in the in the

720
00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:04,079
load road local option tax fund. I can't
say that this morning. That could also

721
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:09,440
help fund it. So I think
>> And that was in what fund? You said 1.5

722
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:14,559
and what? They're planning to use local
option funds to repay the bonds and they

723
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:22,079
were estimating at 1.5 million which I
think like with a 12 million or 12-year

724
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:28,079
repayment you can get about 14 million
principal paid for with 1.5

725
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:32,480
» and we reduced that transfer this year
this past year.

726
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:36,640
» Actually we didn't we didn't reduce it.
We did we did not

727
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:43,280
» we we did not increase it from the
general fund but we did not reduce it

728
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:49,760
and the rural fund increased. So the
totals going to roads increased and also

729
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:55,280
the local option tax revenue has been
increasing. So there's there was

730
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:59,119
increased revenue to roads.
>> Well increased revenue but I just meant

731
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:04,240
that transfer amount that we typically
do. But the so the transfer amount was

732
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:09,119
exactly the same. The percentage
>> percentage is what I'm after. I'm

733
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:14,799
» Yes. The percentage of the maximum that
we can transfer. That's there is a

734
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:18,559
maximum in state law about what we can
transfer. Yes,

735
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:22,480
» that was reduced but not the amount, you
know, and again the the rural piece of

736
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:26,079
it
>> still had an increase. So

737
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:28,720
» it was I just meant I misspoke. It was
the amount. It was the percentage we

738
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,119
could increase.
>> Yep.

739
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:39,599
And maybe some of you can re increase
that next year

740
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,960
» for the building. You got to pay for the
building.

741
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:45,680
» Maybe.
>> We'll find out.

742
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:49,839
» I do have two other things to update you
on. I would like to schedule a work

743
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:54,960
session probably in the next two to
three weeks to talk about the speed

744
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:59,760
limit here in Blackhawk County. Uh we've
done some work on that. Had some uh

745
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:03,760
productive meetings with law enforcement
last week. Uh so we feel like we're

746
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:07,680
ready to come to you with I feel like
we're ready to come to you with some

747
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:12,079
decisions.
I can work with you all on a a time

748
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:15,760
frame for that work session. And then
the last thing I wanted to update you on

749
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:20,799
was we we were able to set beams on
Hoffro Bridge uh last week, last

750
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:25,200
Thursday. Gabby had some social media uh
out there on it and we are hopeful that

751
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:31,280
um I know they had to do the closure
pores and then put the the uh excuse me

752
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:37,040
the guardrail on and we are hopeful I
would be hopeful that we would have that

753
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:41,680
road reopened probably within two weeks.
So can I answer any other questions?

754
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:48,319
» The crane's up and running again.
No, no, no. We hired Emerson crane just

755
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:53,599
to be on site out out on Hoff to set
those beams for us. Uh we used our We do

756
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:58,160
have two cranes. We have a smaller crane
that sat at Longfellow and was able to

757
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:04,079
pick up the beams and place them on our
semi to haul them out to um Hoffro and

758
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:09,359
then we were able to set them. Emerson
was able to set them for us.

759
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:15,079
The our crane is still going to be down
possibly for six more weeks. We're

760
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:15,079
waiting on parts.

761
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:28,880
» Kathy, would would next Tuesday be too
soon on the speed limit deal? I've got

762
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:34,319
people itching to get to 60.
>> So, I did I would like to invite a few

763
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,640
other Nate, of course, I would like him
to be here. So, let me

764
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,000
» Okay,
>> we can try for that. Let me see if he

765
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:43,200
can make it for that date as well.
>> Fair enough.

766
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:48,440
» They're holding down. I'm sticking at 55
right now.

767
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,440
» They're not 56. 55.

768
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,720
» We're 62.
>> Thanks, Kathy. Good update. Anyone else

769
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:58,640
for an update for department or elected
official?

770
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:03,920
» Anyone online?
>> I have a quick one. I just wanted to say

771
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:08,079
that the capital improvement program
five-year requests are out to

772
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:13,119
departments. So hopefully they will
start figuring out what their needs are

773
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:17,160
over the next 5 years so we have a
better idea of what we're looking at.

774
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:25,599
» Anyone online with
>> And good morning board. This is Yolando

775
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:30,160
uh from Veterans Affairs. I I just had a
a couple things. I wanted to let Jim uh

776
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,680
Bush Camp know that we're here to
support you. Uh we had a walk-in first

777
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:37,680
thing this morning and I got a funeral
to go to, but we're here to support you.

778
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:42,880
But also, board, I wanted to share a
couple things uh from our commission

779
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:47,520
meeting that we had. Um if you don't
mind, I'll just go quickly through

780
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:50,960
those, just the highlights of them,
>> please do.

781
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:54,400
» And can you see the uh slides?
>> Yes.

782
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:58,640
» Okay. So, a couple things. the warrior
expedition. Uh they completed their

783
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:03,599
coast to coast ride. Uh again, I want to
take my hat off to uh supervisor uh

784
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:07,760
Tavis Hall and supporting. We we've been
doing that for Blackhawk County with our

785
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:12,720
supervisors and with the experienced
water. We been supporting for almost 6

786
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:19,039
years. Um and they've completed their
their ride uh from Washington DC to

787
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:23,440
Washington uh state using the uh Cedar
Valley Trail and the Great American

788
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:29,039
Trail. So, thank you for that support.
Um, and then just quickly, I'm going to

789
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:33,039
slide through these. Um, one thing that,
uh, hope everyone enjoyed their their

790
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:37,920
Labor Day weekend. Uh, but over the the
Labor Day weekend, um, there was some

791
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:42,799
damage to, uh, a particular banner, and
that particular banner belonged to me.

792
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:47,119
Um, as you could see, the the Veterans
Way. Usually, this is my fourth year

793
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:52,160
participating in that. Uh, but someone
took advantage to, uh, create googly

794
01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:56,319
eyes on my banner uh, over the weekend.
Maybe I do have googly eyes. I don't

795
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:00,079
know. Um but that that was a point of
emphasis. Couple of the things uh that

796
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:04,319
we talked about last Wednesday was
celebrating our oneyear anniversary. Uh

797
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:09,280
and again, my hats off to the board of
supervisors, to the um our veterans

798
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:14,799
commission, particularly Rory and his
department, uh Michelle with financing,

799
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:19,280
everyone that made this very successful.
Uh we are appreciative of being in this

800
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:22,640
facility. Uh we want to be good stewards
of this facility. Um, and we look

801
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:26,400
forward to doing great things. We
continue to get accolades from our

802
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:32,000
veterans coming in saying this is a very
conducive environment for sitting down

803
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:38,640
and doing um claims uh for veterans. So,
thank you again. Um, our hidden hero for

804
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:44,640
the month of of August uh was uh Jordan.
Uh she's a Marine uh who is actually

805
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:51,200
working with um still attending school
at UNI. uh a very active uh veteran at

806
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:54,880
the veterans organization at uni and
she's doing some great things there and

807
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:58,720
so this month we took opportunity to
recognize this young Marine and for the

808
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:02,240
great service that she's done for her
country serving as a Marine and then

809
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:06,400
what she's currently doing in the
community and then this slide is just

810
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:11,760
I'm going to pass through but the things
that we we're getting ready to celebrate

811
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:17,119
911 the 25th year we just celebrated 250
years um and now we're celebrating the

812
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:22,400
25th year of 911. Um, and I could tell
you 9/11 changed my military life and it

813
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:26,640
just kind of shows you the aftermath of
uh what's going on. But to celebrate it

814
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:30,480
is the biggest thing is to recognize the
lives that were lost uh both in the

815
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:34,319
military and the lives that were lost
civilian whether it was the towers,

816
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:39,119
whether it was the uh the Pentagon or
the aircraft and all of the lives that

817
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:43,039
were lost in the towers. Couple success
stories that uh I shared. I'm going to

818
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:47,119
spin through these because I did send
you these slides. uh but to know that

819
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,720
again interacting one to another with
another veteran, you never know how

820
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:55,920
we're going to touch that veteran's life
or that surviving spouse. And then uh

821
01:07:53,599 --> 01:08:00,880
the paragraph two was a surviving spouse
whose husband died uh from uh a

822
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:04,720
presumptive condition. She didn't know
about it till she came in and spoke with

823
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:09,520
one of the veteran service officers and
she ended up getting almost $20,000 in

824
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:14,960
retropay and now she has a benefit for
the rest of her life. Um the the third

825
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:21,040
one is the Marine who succumbed and is
still living but succumbed to some um

826
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:26,719
Marine Corps hazardous water that was
out of Camp Lun. Um he fought it fought

827
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:30,400
it and eventually uh the the VA said,
"Yeah, I agree that the conditions

828
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:36,080
you're suffering from affects your your
your ability to work and your overall

829
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:40,880
lifestyle." And they paid out $94,000 in
retropay. And now he has a benefit for

830
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:46,880
the rest of his life. again, changing
lives one claim at a time. Um, and then

831
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:51,120
the other part of that is the positive
thing is we're starting to see more uh

832
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:56,880
donations come in. Uh, I I put two
months together. So, you have the two

833
01:08:53,199 --> 01:09:01,520
months calendar year, we took in $8,385
so far in donations. A lot of them are

834
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:06,000
associated with our success that we're
having with our lunches. And then, um,

835
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:10,640
in particular, uh, the Kevin Deal
Foundation provided us $1,000 just

836
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:16,080
recently. And this morning, uh, we just
had a walk-in where they provided $300

837
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:20,319
based off the success that we've and a
lot of it has to do with Gabby promoting

838
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:23,839
our promoting the lunches on social
media. And veterans are seeing it. We've

839
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:28,400
been doing this for a while now, but
veterans are seeing how successful this

840
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:32,159
has been. And now we're starting to see
new faces come in and they're they

841
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:36,560
really like this ideal. And again, it's
all based off of your support, board of

842
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:40,880
supervisors, for allowing us to be in a
new space, a new facility that is

843
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:46,239
conducive for veterans. And then for
August, our our production for August,

844
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:51,359
you can see uh we brought in about uh
$34,000

845
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:55,280
in federal funds to uh for retro pay.
You can see our individual client

846
01:09:53,040 --> 01:10:01,040
support. And then what we're really
adding to the county about $38,000 in

847
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:05,600
additional monies that veterans and
surviving spouses are receiving. And you

848
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:11,120
can see our July report. So uh close to
almost $500,000 in the first two months

849
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:15,120
um is what my staff is doing. And again,
I take my hat off to our staff, uh

850
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:18,719
Stacy, Michelle, and Sarah. And one of
the other reasons why I'm not there in

851
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:23,360
person is Sarah's doing court duty
today. So, uh, it just adds up, but

852
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:29,440
we're still going to be able to support.
Um, and then you can see our our July

853
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:34,640
and August production. Um, where the,
uh, veterans are coming from, uh, their

854
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:39,600
service. Uh, in particular, we did see
an uptick, um, from other counties,

855
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:43,920
about 12 coming in, um, from various
counties. Um, but again, we are going to

856
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:48,640
service every veteran. A couple of the
things that I've been doing lately is

857
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:53,840
recognizing what their pay grades are of
who's filing those u disabilities. Um

858
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:57,360
and then this key slide here is kind of
talking about where we're at. You see

859
01:10:55,280 --> 01:11:03,440
that, but down at the bottom is the the
point of emphasis. Uh about 1856 are

860
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:09,840
receiving some type of compensation u
for disabilities. Uh so 502 of them are

861
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:16,719
receiving it at 100% which is close to
about 27% of those veterans out of the

862
01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:23,280
1856. Uh you also can see 328 of the
2184 that is our total number are are

863
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:29,040
receiving either a survivor's benefit or
a pension. And then lastly, I kind of

864
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:33,679
looked at okay 100, 50, and 10. And you
can proceed to percentages associated

865
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:39,280
with the veterans who are receiving a
disability at those uh percentages. And

866
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:44,320
then lastly, uh what we've done out of
county and donated funds and supporting

867
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:49,199
veterans um was a good month for us. We
didn't have to help anybody with

868
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:52,719
utilities or uh with shelter. Uh but we
did see an uptick with the gas card

869
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:58,880
production. And then the trust fund
dispersements was about $2,500 and that

870
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:04,800
was in support of a some auto repairs.
Um and then you can see our first two

871
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:09,440
months um we've only um used $1,000 out
of our 53,000 that we have quarterly

872
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:15,679
budgeted as we get ready to go into our
budgeted session uh to look at how we do

873
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:20,800
things going into FY27 and 28. Uh but I
think we're doing a great job there. And

874
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:26,800
just uh just one short slide is this is
my fourth year uh going out to the UAW

875
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:32,080
um at the veterans conference about 400
veterans attended. It gives again an

876
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:39,120
opportunity for a young guy from Iowa
which was the only presenter out of that

877
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:42,880
international um UAW veterans conference
was the only one from Iowa. Everyone

878
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:46,480
else was from all over the 50 states. Uh
but it gave me an opportunity again to

879
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:49,840
interact with other veterans, see the
great things that we're doing and some

880
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:53,600
of the things that we could add. But I
will tell you for assurance that talking

881
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:57,600
with other veteran service officers that
were in attendance and with veterans

882
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:06,000
that we interacted with as we talked for
the 3 days, um we are doing uh a job

883
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:11,040
that uh most people would say, "Hey,
wait a minute. How let me follow your

884
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:14,320
lead." And so we we had a lot of uh BSOs
say, "Hey, Yolando, how you doing that?"

885
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,719
And so it gave me an opportunity to
interact uh with other BSOs from other

886
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:23,440
states. Then we want to thank our
sponsors uh for our lunches. Again,

887
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:28,640
that's where um the road meets the
rubber, so say um this is how we really

888
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:32,239
do do a lot of our our articulation to
hey veterans, make sure you get out

889
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:36,800
there and get involved. But those are
the other things and and so I share that

890
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:43,520
with you guys to just say thank you
again for the opportunity to uh be in

891
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:47,920
this position. Um you know I I was not
elected official. I'm a darn uh what

892
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:52,320
they call a war fighter. So I'm not a
politician. I I speak from the truth. I

893
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:55,840
speak uh truth to power. And I'm just
very appreciative of everything that you

894
01:13:53,920 --> 01:14:00,640
guys have allowed us to do. And with
that first year in this uh environment,

895
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:05,280
I think it's now time for me to step
down and and allow someone else to move

896
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:10,080
into this position. So uh I'm going to
probably step down in November of this

897
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:15,040
year to allow a new BSO to come in, new
director, new executive director to come

898
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:20,679
in and move Black County forward. But I
do appreciate all the opportunities that

899
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,679
I've had in the last eight years.

900
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:27,760
» Well, I'd say Elon but not today. Go
>> ahead. No, I was just going to say thank

901
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:32,960
you much so much for your service,
Yolando, but um so sorry to hear that,

902
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:37,360
but um certainly understand you have
priorities and things to consider and

903
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:41,520
and uh other ventures in your life you
may want, but can't say enough about

904
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:46,320
your reporting and the working together
and the relationship we've had. So,

905
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:51,360
sorry to hear that news.
>> Gerando, I just want to again pass along

906
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:59,600
the words I heard at the ISAC
conference. uh four different counties

907
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:04,480
spoke very highly of your leadership and
I appreciate all your help with their

908
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:08,080
veterans from their counties. Uh you are
definitely been setting a standard for

909
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:13,600
the state of Iowa and and that setting
that role. So uh just again thank you

910
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:16,600
and just appreciate all you do over
there.

911
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:24,080
Yolanda, I just echo that. It's been an
honor to have you as the director and

912
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:28,800
you look at uh where things have
advanced over your tenure here. we've

913
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:33,360
got this brand new facility that um we
all work together to help make happen

914
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:39,040
and it's just really remarkable to to
have and just a shout out that um both

915
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:44,800
you and your wife Chakita have just been
a an awesome power couple in the service

916
01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:50,840
of veterans in this community and it's
it's been a joy to to be able to support

917
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,840
you.

918
01:15:53,360 --> 01:16:00,480
Yeah, you'll end up definitely surprised
to hear this. Uh you've been great to

919
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:05,440
lean on. Uh very easy to work with in my
short tenure here. I'm disappointed to

920
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:10,159
hear that, but at the same time, uh you
deserve to live a a good life in

921
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:16,159
retirement now and and dedicate time to
yourself and your wife. So for that, I'm

922
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:23,679
glad to hear it for you guys.
>> I'll just also add Yolando. Um

923
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:28,080
it's been about 4 years uh that I've
known you uh since seeking this role. I

924
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:33,840
think it's probably the one of the first
times I met you. Um with the exception

925
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:38,960
of course uh dating back I guess
actually to that to those to those

926
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:45,199
warrior rides. Um
your work is meaningful. Uh your

927
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:50,640
leadership is meaningful. Um it's been
an absolute pleasure getting to know

928
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:54,560
you. uh working with you uh and and
calling you a friend. So uh excited to

929
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:59,360
continue to do that uh and maybe we can
golf together a little bit more uh

930
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:05,199
moving forward. So congrats. Uh
definitely not the news I was expecting

931
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:11,560
to hear this morning. Um but uh really
honored to uh to know you and to call

932
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:11,560
you a friend. So thank you.

933
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:21,520
Any other department heads or elected
officials online with a report?

934
01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:25,040
We'll move on to item seven, minutes
approved for September 1, 2026. So move

935
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,120
second.
>> All in favor say I.

936
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:31,360
» I.
>> I. Same sign. Minutes are approved. Item

937
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,400
eight is the consent agenda. The
following items are acted upon by a

938
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,760
single resolution unless someone wishes
to remove something for discussion.

939
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,640
» Move.
>> Second.

940
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:42,400
» This resolution. Please answer. Your
name is called.

941
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,840
» Curtainbach.
>> Yes. Grant,

942
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:45,040
» yes.
>> Paul,

943
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,719
» yes.
>> Schwarz,

944
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:49,679
» yes.
>> Leilen,

945
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:53,440
» yes. Item nine, contracts and
agreements. resolution that the federal

946
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:56,640
aid agreement between Blackhawk County
and the Iowa Department of

947
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,640
Transportation agreement number
2-26-CHBP-025

948
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:10,880
for the competitive highway bridge
program grant project BRS- CHBP-

949
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:14,760
C00007
parentheses 181-GB-07

950
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:20,400
on Eagle Road over Miller Creek be
approved and direct the chair to sign

951
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,560
for same as recommended by Katherine
Nicholas, County Engineer.

952
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,760
» So move.
>> Second.

953
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:32,960
» Uh good morning again, board. So this is
our standard DOT agreement uh that says

954
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:37,360
we will receive up to $795,000
when we replace Eagle Road bridge. It

955
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:42,080
was selected as as part of a competitive
BR highway bridge program. We're

956
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:47,840
estimating that cost will be about 1.1
to$ 1.2 million. Uh we have submitted

957
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:52,080
plans. It is it should be let in
February in the in one of the DOT

958
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:56,320
February letings
and I would just ask for your approval

959
01:18:53,760 --> 01:19:03,400
that be we be allowed to move ahead. It
just uh we are agreeing to follow all

960
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:03,400
federal aid and state DOT requirements.

961
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,920
» Any questions for K?
>> This is a resolution. Please answer.

962
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,679
Your name is called
>> Schwarz.

963
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:12,640
» Yes.
>> Briant.

964
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,760
» Yes.
>> Herinbach.

965
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,440
» Yes.
>> Hall.

966
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:20,880
» Yes. Leland.
>> Yes. Item B, resolution that the lowest

967
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:25,199
responsible bid received from NB Cook
General Contractors Inc. Cedar Falls,

968
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:30,320
Iowa for the repair of the skywalk over
Lafayette Street between 225 East 6th

969
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:38,000
Street and 316 East Fifth Street in
Waterlue in the amount of $25,390.

970
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:41,679
Engineer's estimate was $30,89
be approved and the chair be authorized

971
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:46,080
to sign the contract contingent upon
receipt of certificate of insurance as

972
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,120
recommended by Rory Gbing, facilities
director.

973
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,040
» So moved.
>> Second.

974
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:53,040
» Morning.
>> Good morning board. Rory Giving,

975
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:59,920
facilities director. Uh this is as a
result uh to damage that the Skywalk

976
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:04,000
sustained uh back in October of 24 uh
from a garbage truck that had their

977
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:09,920
front uh forks lifted up a little too
high. Uh fortunately in our case uh it

978
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:16,239
was not a structural situation. It was
more of a cosmetic. Um we did reach out

979
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:21,440
to AECOM who is the uh engineering
services that put this uh project

980
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:27,280
together for us. Um, we did put it out
on our website and we've received one

981
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:30,960
proposal from uh Cook uh construction.
We're just asking for the board to

982
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:35,679
approve us to move forward with that.
And this is an insurance claim. So,

983
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:40,480
» I was going to say Ry all of this will
be from insurance.

984
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:45,840
» This will be submitted to uh uh to the
that company's insurance

985
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:49,280
and we are working with our IAP as well
just to make sure that that's a smooth

986
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:53,040
process.
Any

987
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,040
questions?
>> No.

988
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,000
» Resolution, please answer. Your name is
called.

989
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,120
» Brandt,
>> yes.

990
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,920
» Curtainbach,
>> yes.

991
01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:59,440
» Hall,
>> yes.

992
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,719
» Schwarz,
>> yes.

993
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:05,440
» Leilen,
>> yes. Item 10, other business. This is a

994
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:09,360
motion that the appointment of Jim
Bushamp as commissioner on the Veterans

995
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:14,480
Affairs Commission be approved to serve
the remaining term ending on June 30,

996
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:16,480
2027 as recommended by Yolanda Loveless,
Director of Veterans Affairs.

997
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:21,040
» So moved.
>> Second. Would you like to say a few

998
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:26,920
words, Jim? I was going to say you don't
have to, but you certainly hope we

999
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:26,920
should because your wife says no.

1000
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:37,840
» Good morning, ladies, gentlemen, board.
Um, given the information that uh uh

1001
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:43,760
Yolanda just passed out, I would like to
make a comment.

1002
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:51,120
I know Yolanda from about two years ago
when I worked with him on my own claim

1003
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:58,159
and in more recent months um working
with the uh with the commission board as

1004
01:21:54,239 --> 01:22:04,239
a private citizen and I truly appreciate
his uh kind and encouraging comments to

1005
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:10,719
me. Uh I approach this with both great
deal of humility and a great deal of

1006
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:16,719
excitement. Obviously, one of the first
elements that we're going to have to

1007
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:21,040
address is to try to find a suitable and
competent uh replacement for Yolanda,

1008
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:27,440
which is going to be exceedingly
difficult. But it is one that we will

1009
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:35,040
face and do everything that we can as a
commission to ensure that the quality of

1010
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:41,600
services that our veterans get um
remains at the same high level. Uh so

1011
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:45,280
with that
uh my comments conclude.

1012
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:49,040
» Okay. Well, thank you very much and
thanks for being here this morning to

1013
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:52,960
share comments.
>> Thanks Jim.

1014
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:57,280
All in favor say I.
>> I

1015
01:22:54,560 --> 01:23:01,840
post oppose. Same.
>> Thank you again for your service and

1016
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:06,719
congratulations on your point and your
job ahead.

1017
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:12,280
Item B, resolution that the statement of
completion and final acceptance of work

1018
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:12,280
for project LFM-5031-7X-7

1019
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:20,719
HMA resurfacing on Raymond Road be
approved and direct the chair to sign

1020
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:25,880
for same and authorize and direct the
auditor to make final payment in the

1021
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:25,880
amount of $28,641

1022
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:33,960
with a total project cost of $954,000.
954,7361

1023
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:42,440
as recommended by Katherine Nicholas,
county engineer. Project contracted

1024
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,440
at1,756,192.70

1025
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:52,639
contractor Aspro Waterloop.
>> So move second.

1026
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:56,639
» Good morning again, board. As is
customary during a final acceptance, I'd

1027
01:23:54,719 --> 01:24:00,639
like to show you some photos so you can
see what we've purchased with our $1

1028
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:05,679
million. And I will try to be
expeditious as I uh go through my slides

1029
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:10,400
here. Just a few comments about what
this road was like before. This is the

1030
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:15,840
Raymond Road portion from uh the new
fire station in Gilbertville up to the

1031
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:20,320
the four-way stop at Deuke Road. That
portion from Highway 20 north up to the

1032
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:24,880
four-way stop. That's our I believe
that's our busiest portion of roadway

1033
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:30,480
out in the county and it has probably
our most truck traffic. Uh so it gets a

1034
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:36,560
lot of wear and tear from uh the trucks
and the heavy amount of traffic. It was

1035
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:43,440
last resurfaced in 2009. So
um several years ago obviously and an

1036
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:48,320
improvement we did uh in 2018 was we
base widened the road from the Gville

1037
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:52,400
city limits up to the Raymond city
limits. And by base widening means we

1038
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:57,199
put an extra 2 ft of shoulder. We paved
the shoulder essentially 2 ft wide

1039
01:24:54,639 --> 01:25:02,480
because our maintenance crews were just
doing a lot of what we call filling in

1040
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:08,480
the edge rut. You can see that uh we get
off traffic off trafficing of the

1041
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:13,199
asphalt roadway onto the shoulder by the
large semis and they are uh constantly

1042
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:18,239
tearing away or eating away at that
asphalt shoulder creating this edge that

1043
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:22,800
that of course is dangerous a dangerous
drop off. So our uh we were spending

1044
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:28,080
quite a bit of time doing this edge
writing uh maintenance responsibility

1045
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:31,840
until we did this this uh project in
2018.

1046
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:36,320
However, as I said, it stopped at
Raymond Road. So the Raymond Road

1047
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:41,280
portion never did receive the edge the
base widening. So they were continuing

1048
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:46,159
to experience this edge rut. And this
these this photo on the right, it was

1049
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:50,239
taken in the city limits of Raymond. So
again that was we have maintenance

1050
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:54,159
responsibilities by our 28e agreement
with them that was just taking a lot of

1051
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:59,840
time for us. So we were really anxious
to when we came back and do did this

1052
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:04,639
resurfacing to improve to do the base
widening in the city of Raymond.

1053
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:09,679
Uh other than that the general condition
of the road the ride was getting pretty

1054
01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:14,560
rough at this time. Uh we done crack
sealing multiple times. It started to

1055
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:19,520
exhibit transverse cracking etc. it was
time to do a resurfacing on the roadway.

1056
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:23,600
Uh you've already given these pertinent
details. We did split the contract into

1057
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:29,520
three divisions. The city of
Gilbertville had that small share in

1058
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:35,280
excuse me about 800 ft long right in
front of their new fire station. So then

1059
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:40,639
they owned half the road and then of
course our portion was most of it and

1060
01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:46,639
then the city of Raymond
uh north up near the four-way stop was

1061
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:50,719
their portion. I just have a few uh
photos of the construction. The first

1062
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:56,320
thing we did was Aspro came in and did
milling milled several inches off the

1063
01:26:52,960 --> 01:27:02,000
entire surface. Then the base widening
in that portion of Raymond was

1064
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:10,159
completed. And that simply means milling
a hole, a trench uh 24 in wide by about

1065
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:14,560
5 in deep. And then that was filled with
a little bit of rock and then it was

1066
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:20,960
shouldered or paved. The shoulder was
paved with this small shoulder uh paving

1067
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:25,600
machine. Then after that, two lifts of
asphalt were placed with about 2 in of

1068
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:30,560
asphalt in each lift. Uh here you can
see the the uh paving crew placing the

1069
01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:34,880
first lift of asphalt. And then this was
up near the new Dollar the newer Dollar

1070
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:40,560
General up up at the four-way stop right
here. Placing the first lift of asphalt

1071
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:46,239
and then the final lift of asphalt. The
second lift was placed. And there's some

1072
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:52,719
nice photos of uh the aspro work here uh
taking care at some of the driveways.

1073
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:58,080
And then here's a final look to the uh I
guess this would be I believe to the

1074
01:27:55,040 --> 01:28:03,520
north. Uh these were our final costs
about 11% under our our contract cost

1075
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:09,040
and these were the percentages broken
out. Uh we've we have of course

1076
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:14,719
submitted bills or payment plans to uh
Gilbert Valley and the city of Raymond.

1077
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:18,960
Uh ASPRO did finish uh under the the 25
working days. So no liquidated and

1078
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:22,560
damages were assessed. It was built in
substantial conformance with the plans

1079
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:27,520
and specifications. So I am recommending
that you approve the project so that we

1080
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:32,960
be allowed to release uh the retainers
back to Aspro. Can I answer any

1081
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:38,800
questions at this time?
>> Okay. Thank you. Looks nice.

1082
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,040
» This is a resolution. Please answer.
Your name is called.

1083
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,560
» Schwarz,
>> yes.

1084
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:43,600
» Curtainbach,
>> yes.

1085
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,480
» Hall,
>> yes.

1086
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,679
» Bryant,
>> yes.

1087
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:50,000
» Layen,
>> yes.

1088
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:55,199
» Item C, discussion, possible board
action concerning the proposed animal

1089
01:28:52,239 --> 01:29:01,120
control ordinance.
>> All right.

1090
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:05,679
So, per the uh email to the board last
week, there were u

1091
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:11,520
number of changes made to the last draft
of this um proposed ordinance. I'm just

1092
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:15,520
going to highlight those right now. Uh
first of all, we redefine the appeal

1093
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:21,920
board as being the Black County Board of
Supervisors.

1094
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:28,639
Um secondly, under repeat offense,
um made a couple of changes. Number one,

1095
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:32,560
uh we made it second offense and each
subsequent offense. We've no longer

1096
01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:40,080
referenced third offense because we no
longer have a three tier uh civil

1097
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:45,600
penalty structure for this. Uh we also
uh and this was something that was at

1098
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:50,239
the suggestion of the sheriff. I put in
a line which states, "Prior violations

1099
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:54,639
of any provision of this title within
the preceding 10 years shall be counted

1100
01:29:53,040 --> 01:30:00,000
toward determining a second or
subsequent offense." Meaning that if

1101
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:06,080
it's been a decade since an offense of
this uh of this ordinance has been

1102
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:13,440
found, it's kind of like it goes off
your record at that point. Um, we define

1103
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:17,760
violation. Uh, that's number 20 on page
four.

1104
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:24,719
And moving on,
um we did make a reference

1105
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:31,600
uh because there uh section 11.03 dealt
with prohibited conduct that uh and

1106
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:36,800
prohibited acts that anybody who engages
in those in that conduct uh commits a

1107
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:40,120
violation. We reference that at the end
of 11.03.

1108
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:52,080
Um in 11.04 4. Uh, subsection 6 and
subsection 7 now state that the, uh,

1109
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:59,159
violation penalty is $500 for first
offense and $1,000 for each second or

1110
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,159
subsequent offense.

1111
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:07,960
Uh, under
11.05,

1112
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,960
5

1113
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:19,600
we have changed and this is in uh
subsection 10.

1114
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:24,239
Uh we we've talked a great amount in the
last uh board meeting where we

1115
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:29,199
considered this about the animal
disposition review committee.

1116
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:32,719
Um, at that point the board had
suggested that it be the chair of the

1117
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:40,000
board of supervisors along with the
sheriff and the director of who happened

1118
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:45,520
to be the contract animal care provider
uh which is currently the Cedarbend

1119
01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:50,800
Humane Society. Um, after that there was
some discussion I learned of

1120
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:56,800
uh with the conservation director and I
confirmed with him uh that he would be

1121
01:31:53,679 --> 01:32:04,239
willing to have himself or his designate
be named as one of the uh people on this

1122
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:07,679
commit commission or committee uh so
that the board could come off of this

1123
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:11,120
committee. There was some concern that
because the board is the final appeal

1124
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:15,199
board, they shouldn't have a member on
this committee. Uh since then, I

1125
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:19,120
understand there's been some concern
about whether we should have, and we'd

1126
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:25,520
certainly want to talk to them about
this, whether we should have the animal

1127
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:33,280
care provider provide one of these uh
committee people. And that uh that's the

1128
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:39,199
board should kind of determine at this
point. Uh it does occur to me that I can

1129
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:46,560
add a provision after this sort of a
savings clause so to speak where we say

1130
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:50,639
the uh that if anybody would be
unwilling or unable to serve who is

1131
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:57,520
listed here the board could designate
someone else and I think we should do

1132
01:32:53,440 --> 01:33:02,000
that. Um but that uh that was an idea
that came a little later that happens

1133
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:05,600
sometimes. Um, so that's something the
board ought to discuss, but I want to

1134
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:11,120
get through the rest of these highlights
first. And that means skipping all the

1135
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:16,239
way to uh 11.14.
That is our last section. And that has

1136
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:23,920
to do with appeals. And really the only
change that's been made there. It is in

1137
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:29,760
subsections 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 is
that now the board of supervisors is the

1138
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:33,679
appeal board uh for the county. So,
those are the changes that have been

1139
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:37,840
made. Um, did add a spot to put in an
ordinance number at the top. That's a a

1140
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:43,679
technicality, but it's something we
usually have that I've left out of

1141
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:47,679
earlier drafts. And so, um, if there's
an area to be discussed, unless

1142
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:53,840
something new comes up, I I assume that
it would be the animal disposition

1143
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:59,360
review committee uh, under section
11.05. Oh, and by the way, we changed

1144
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:05,199
the title number from 19 to 11. that was
at the suggestion of the concern of who

1145
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:10,400
compiles our ordinances. So I had gone
after our last one. They wanted to use

1146
01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:14,360
one of the reserve numbers. So
another technical change.

1147
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:22,480
I was going to say I know when an email
I'd sent it was really just my concern

1148
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:25,840
and and that's why I said I want
certainly others to weigh in but it was

1149
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:30,960
the fact that number one the Cedar Band
Humane Society is contracted by us for

1150
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:34,880
services and whether or not we are happy
with that or not happy with that or

1151
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:39,600
continued that service or not or whether
they needed to go out of business or

1152
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:44,159
something too that it's still that
relationship I guess because this is a

1153
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:49,280
county created ordinance. I I was just
looking out for that and and when you

1154
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:52,719
mentioned um conservation, I was pleased
that some like say with Mike and his

1155
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:57,040
background in history and that he would
be willing to sit on it, but I wasn't

1156
01:34:54,560 --> 01:35:00,080
thinking about the fact that the chair
that would take the place of the chair,

1157
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:04,480
I was looking at more the fact that it
might take this fact the role of the

1158
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:09,440
Cedarband Humane Society and remove them
kind of from any conflict or anything

1159
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:13,760
that could come up too with animal.
>> Yeah. And if uh and that that could

1160
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:18,480
happen um that would leave two because
we'd no longer have the board chair

1161
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:21,440
designate on there. And
>> are we procluded from having a board

1162
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:26,000
members?
>> No. In my opinion, I don't have an issue

1163
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:30,159
with the chair serving on that initial
committee and then if there is an appeal

1164
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:32,159
coming to the full board. I don't
personally I don't have an issue with

1165
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:36,719
that. I don't know how the other
supervisors feel. I I can understand the

1166
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:40,800
concern of one
>> being on there, but at the same time, I

1167
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:46,800
don't think it's a problem either. I
think that you're you're looking at a a

1168
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:51,920
one board member versus a five member
full board considering it on appeal.

1169
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:56,159
» I think I think the concern was more
when we tossed around the idea of two

1170
01:35:54,080 --> 01:36:00,639
board members being on there as we were
trying to fill out the committee. And so

1171
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:06,400
I'm supportive of having a board chair
for design conservation

1172
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:10,560
um and sheriff or designate. Um I think
that that takes care of it.

1173
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:15,920
» When when we say designate, does it have
to be a board member or

1174
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:22,239
as a could that be at the discretion of
the board in the negotiation with the

1175
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:26,960
animal service provider? Could that be a
design could that designate be for

1176
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:31,600
instance Cedar Band? Um, in my opinion,
it could because when you say the board

1177
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:34,239
chair or designate, that gives the board
chair the power to designate someone

1178
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:38,320
else.
>> Then we aren't requiring them to do it

1179
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:43,040
in this ordinance. But if they are
agreeable to it and we just feel like

1180
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:46,159
it's it's best to remove the board from
that, then there's

1181
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:50,560
» it could be them or anybody. It's just
it's just like not designating them as

1182
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:54,400
it I think is the only one. So then
we're committed to doing it. And I I

1183
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:58,159
know for example, in the case of Mike
Hendrickson,

1184
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:03,520
» um he would he's he's happy to have it
worded this way. He would probably

1185
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:08,320
designate someone else who was currently
in the uh in the active dealing with

1186
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:14,639
animals a little more than he is because
he has a a couple of uh of rangers who

1187
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:17,639
are dealing with pet issues pretty
frequently.

1188
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:27,520
And um should it maybe be clarified
um at least for for the board design

1189
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:33,760
that it's a board um board chair or
design as agreed to by the board of

1190
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:38,080
supervisors. Um just I don't foresee a
problem with our current makeup, but who

1191
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:44,560
knows what the board will be 10 years
from now, 20 years from now. Um and just

1192
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:48,239
to make sure there's not some funny
situation.

1193
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:51,280
I think that's just transparent anyway
bringing it before the board for the

1194
01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:54,159
decision instead of just one person
making it anyway

1195
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:59,360
for me.
>> Yeah.

1196
01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:02,000
» So a designate approved by a majority
>> of the board

1197
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:05,000
» of the board of supervisors.
>> Yep.

1198
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:13,520
» All right. Um, so as I understand it,
the kind of direction the board wants to

1199
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:16,880
take to approve a final version of this
would include the sheriff or sheriff's

1200
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:24,480
design,
the board chair or design approved by

1201
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:28,800
the board of supervisor
and the director of Blackout County

1202
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:33,360
Conservation or the conservation
director's designate. And then we would

1203
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:39,520
put a clause that would say if anyone
one is unable or unwilling to serve the

1204
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:45,600
board of supervisors shall by majority
vote designate um an alternative

1205
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:49,159
committee member in the event committee
needs to be convened.

1206
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:55,320
» We we tracking so far
>> we're tracking

1207
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:04,560
» among the many changes made. Thank you.
So, we also have as a later agenda item,

1208
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:11,600
I think it's the next one,
um the publication of notice of a

1209
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:17,360
hearing for this. I believe
that

1210
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:22,880
we could do we should probably get the
ordinance in final form and approved

1211
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:28,080
before we do this ideally. And so, I
think we should perhaps wait on that

1212
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:33,440
until next week. Um, technically you
could do it, we could change it, it

1213
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:37,199
would be in in time. Uh, but it just I I
think setting hearings should be after

1214
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:41,040
the board is satisfied that we have a
final version to vote on unless you want

1215
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:43,280
to vote on it with the changes that
we've just articulated. That would be

1216
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,800
the other
>> I'm ready to do that.

1217
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:48,400
» I'm fine to just
>> You're fine doing that bandaid off.

1218
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:53,600
» And we can do that.
>> No band-aid. We've just been working.

1219
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:57,600
» It it gets there's a fatigue effect
after a while on this. Well, we've made

1220
01:39:55,360 --> 01:40:01,600
progress in just a few weeks, so it's
taken a while, but Yeah.

1221
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:04,960
» All right. Well, then I think that uh
when you

1222
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:06,320
» So, you want possible board action to be
action?

1223
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:11,119
» Yep.
>> On the on the previous item.

1224
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:16,400
» Yep. I think that uh item D would be
where you take the action

1225
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:24,600
» and specify when you when you read this
this motion that it incorporates the

1226
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:24,600
changes previously discussed in item C.

1227
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:30,080
and you
>> and I should have a draft out to you

1228
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:36,080
fairly soon on that. Hopefully either
yet today or tomorrow

1229
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:39,760
» famous last words until fire comes up.
>> I've so far kept up the last few times

1230
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:45,119
but
>> I didn't mean anything by that like you

1231
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:48,639
you've been great. So thank you.
>> Does that sound like the motion we want

1232
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:52,400
to go ahead with item D?
>> I'll make the motion.

1233
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:56,159
» What's your motion?
>> Item D. And what was that language you

1234
01:40:54,880 --> 01:41:00,320
wanted us to add, Mike, to make?
>> Okay. So, as I understand it, the motion

1235
01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:05,440
is to direct the county auditor to
advertise for a public hearing to be

1236
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:12,800
held at 9:05 a.m. on Tuesday, September
29, 2026 in boardroom 2011 of the

1237
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Blackhawk County Courthouse, 316 Eth
Street, Waterlue, Iowa, on the proposed

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01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:26,480
animal control ordinance number 149.
with the changes discussed under item C

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01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:30,719
in today's meeting. Uh that would
provide for the supervision and control

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01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:36,159
of animals within Blackhawk County so
that animals may be kept in a manner

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01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:41,280
consistent with public health, public
safety, property rights, animal welfare,

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01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:45,600
and applicable state law.
>> Second.

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01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:50,159
» Think this is a motion. Do we want a
resolution?

1244
01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:51,840
» No. We're just advertising. This is this
is just

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01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:57,199
» All in favor say I.
>> I

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01:41:53,280 --> 01:42:02,000
» oppose. Same sign. The motion carries.
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mike. It was a lot

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01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:06,480
of work and a lot of effort in all the
changes as well as the revisions and

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01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:12,520
things to come. Item E, discussion
possible board action on temporary

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01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:12,520
security services at Pinerest.

1250
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:21,760
» Good morning board. Jim Bor giving
facilities director. Um as we're nearing

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01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:26,400
the uh completion of the uh new clinic
entryway,

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01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:32,400
um we uh our next steps are to uh move
forward with the other two entryways on

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01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:38,719
the south side of that facility. Um, and
so what that means is we'll have to uh

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01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:45,679
come up with a plan to direct uh the
general public um through the new uh

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01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:52,320
clinic doorways and uh direct them uh
through uh into the uh lobby area. And

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01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:59,360
so what we're asking for is during this
time is to allow us to uh hire a uh

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01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:05,440
security service uh one person that
would be at the entryway of that clinic

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01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:10,480
area um serving nothing more than uh
direction as far as uh for the general

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01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:18,320
public uh anybody visiting that
building. Um also uh making sure that uh

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01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:24,400
people are not uh uh going outside of
the uh general path to the lobby. Um the

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01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:29,280
health department, they do have some of
their uh

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01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:33,600
uh clinic space. Uh they do have some
equipment in there. They have

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01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:38,480
refrigerators in there with vaccines. So
although those doors are going to be

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01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:43,840
locked, uh we still feel it's necessary
uh to have somebody there to have eyes

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01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:49,679
on that uh to make sure people are going
where they're supposed to be going. Um

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01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:55,440
and so we're the goal is uh to get these
other two entryways completed within 6

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01:43:52,080 --> 01:44:01,040
weeks. Um we're asking for uh security
services not to exceed nine uh just to

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01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:04,480
cover ourselves uh just in case it uh
does go over that 6 weeks so we don't

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01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:12,000
have to come back to the board and ask
for an additional uh time. Um so the

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01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:19,600
amount uh that we estimated for those uh
um 9 weeks is $11,520.

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01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:25,280
Uh that is $32 an hour for the security
services. Um, we did look at uh

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01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:30,239
potentially other options uh doing this
in-house. It's just uh you know most

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01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:34,080
departments are running fairly lean. Our
department being one of them. We just

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01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:39,199
don't have the resources to set somebody
up there for uh 8 to nine hours a day.

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01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:45,040
So, um and I believe the health
department's probably in the same

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01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:50,080
situation. So uh if you are in agreement
um we will go ahead and make those

1277
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:54,239
arrangements with permar and uh get that
set up with them.

1278
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:59,440
» Do you have a separate contract already
made up for this then?

1279
01:44:55,679 --> 01:45:02,719
» Uh they did provide us a uh document um
for the chair to sign.

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01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:05,040
» So if we approve this is we got to
approve that contract separately or will

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01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:09,520
this
>> uh

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01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:13,040
let me let me check on that. I don't
have that in front of me. I need to see

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01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:19,360
what that verbiage says actually if it's
actual contract or if it's agreement. Uh

1284
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:25,840
but uh we could put in the in the
verbiage here um to sign

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01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:28,880
uh you know to allow the chair to sign
whether that's an agreement or a

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01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:33,280
contract. Then I wouldn't have to come
back again for a second time.

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01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:36,080
» Meaning you could put in contingent. You
could do the approval contingent on

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01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:39,119
whatever you
>> Yeah. something along those lines just

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01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:41,119
to
>> if there's some way you'd rather have

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01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:45,040
it.
>> So, this is they're not going to do

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01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:50,239
screenings or anything along those
lines. This is just sort of directional

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01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:54,960
» traffic control. Yep. A little bit of
security again. Uh making sure that uh

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01:45:53,119 --> 01:46:00,800
you know they're not wandering off into
other hallways within that clinic space.

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01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:05,920
Uh but really just traffic control into
the main lobby.

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01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:11,600
» Be cheaper. Yeah, that seems like a hell
of a lot of money. $11,000 for signs.

1296
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:15,119
» Yeah, there's
>> Yeah, there is a uh signs.

1297
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:18,960
» I think there could create some
confusion when you go in through that

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01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:25,360
just the way that clinic is designed.
There is a stairwell also um right

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01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:32,480
there. Um even though those doors going
into uh each wing are locked. Uh you

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01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:37,679
know, we should be okay there. But I
think for the sake of uh making sure

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01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:45,639
that uh people know where to go once
they get in there um and keep uh those

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01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:45,639
areas those clinic spaces safe.

1303
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:51,840
» Could we
>> we could try we could try signs for a

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01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:54,639
week or so and see how that goes. I mean
I'd be definitely open to something like

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01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:59,440
that.
>> We looked at other employment services

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01:46:56,239 --> 01:47:02,719
outside of Perar. I mean again $32 an
hour is is that's good. That's good

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01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:05,840
money for
>> Yeah.

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01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:09,199
» nine weeks though.
>> Yeah, we can search other uh we just

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01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:14,800
went with Perark because that's who we
have our existing contract through.

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01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:18,800
» I have an idea.
>> Could we use one of the health

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01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:22,800
department interns?
>> We could reach out to them. I'm assuming

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01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:27,119
that each one of their staff has, you
know, their normal duties to do. But

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01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:31,360
» um
>> I'm just being facitious.

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01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:34,320
I I would maybe we table this till next
Tuesday. I'd like to go over there today

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01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,880
after the meeting.
>> Okay.

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01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:40,159
» Walk through, see it for myself
>> and and kind of get a feel for what the

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01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:44,159
situation
>> and I can definitely go with you if you

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01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:48,320
» I mean and I don't mean to diminish it,
but if the if the scope of the service

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01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:50,400
was going to be more screening and that
sort of thing, I could understand the

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01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:56,719
permar.
>> Yeah. My my concern is just we're we're

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01:47:53,520 --> 01:48:00,480
we're basically paying $32 for a greeter
is what it sounds like.

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01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:02,719
» And that that seems
>> I don't know.

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01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:05,840
» Yeah.
>> And that security position's come up

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01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:09,679
several times.
>> Yeah. And and and screening Yeah. for

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01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:13,760
that facility. If we were going to do a
true screening, then obviously we would

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01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:18,159
have to follow the other guidelines that
we need to that are

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01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:21,440
» required here at the courthouse.
>> So yeah.

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01:48:18,639 --> 01:48:27,040
» Yeah. I' I'd like to see what one of the
temp agencies could maybe offer

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01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:32,800
um instead cuz of course that $32 an
hour um not very much of that is

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01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:36,239
actually going to the to the guard um
right

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01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:43,960
» that's mostly going to per I'd like to
see us try to utilize a a temp agency

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01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:43,960
that's taken less of the cut

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01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:49,440
» something to explore and come back to
next week

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01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:53,920
» yep please.
>> Yeah. Um, like I said, we're hoping to

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01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:59,520
have that uh clinic entryway completed
by this Friday. So, uh, as they move on

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01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:03,840
to the next ones, we'll make sure to get
this back in front of the board before

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01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:07,400
we actually close that down. So, all
right. Thank you.

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01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:15,600
» Item F, discussion, tax abatement
procedure and request.

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01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:18,480
» Do we anticipate this being more than 15
minutes? Otherwise,

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01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:21,040
» what do we think? Maybe maybe I was
going to say

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01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:26,639
» I can give you the overview real quick
and then it's going to depend on the the

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01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:31,040
uh discussion that uh that ensues.
>> Well, and I I will too kind of overview

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01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:35,040
of your overview coming what's coming up
and why this is on for an agenda item. I

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01:49:33,679 --> 01:49:39,920
was going to say we have had tax
abatement requests I mean forever um way

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01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:46,000
before me but I said they've always been
done and and they've typically always

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01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:50,400
been from a church or um a nonprofit and
there have been a variety of reasons.

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01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:55,520
Sometimes it was all that February 1st
timeline. Some met it, some had missed

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01:49:53,040 --> 01:50:02,239
it, some had forgotten just a whole host
of things um that um they'd come to us

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01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:06,159
for requests. And the board always as TJ
is always good to point out to them as I

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01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:10,159
think others have that it's kind of a
board responsibility that they make the

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01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:13,760
request they can or they don't whether
they have a recommendation or not where

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01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:18,159
the project is that we're kind of the
final step and they can make that

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01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:24,320
request. So they always do and but this
year there's been an unusual amount and

1354
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:30,639
number of unusual requests I should say.
Um there were um just that come to mind

1355
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:35,679
I know there was one from a church um
where the seller had paid the taxes but

1356
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:41,440
the church wanted to go back and have
receive an abatement um for the taxes

1357
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:46,000
because they were a church and so and
there was also a business that had

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01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:50,239
taxable properties that had requested
some properties um that receive

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01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:54,080
abatement for that. And then um in the
last few weeks we did have um someone

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01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:57,760
that had had destruction of property or
they felt their property had been

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01:50:55,360 --> 01:51:03,040
destroyed and there was a tax abatement
request they wanted to come to us that

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01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:08,880
they did too. So, um, I have learned so
much and I've kept going back to, like I

1363
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:12,239
said, TJ and Linda and and Tim and Mike
and we had to always go back to others

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01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:16,159
and kind of find out what was legal, but
what was kind of going on and why some

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01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:21,119
of these requests were, yes, the board
could override some of that, but

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01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:25,679
understanding all the the things that
had been done or needed to be done or

1367
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:29,440
clarified before you actually made that
sometimes were not something that had

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01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:33,280
been done all the previous years I'd
been there because they were pretty

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01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:37,119
standard in the types of requests and
these all seem so different that it was

1370
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:40,320
like okay what am I missing because I
wanted to learn what it was so it was

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01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:44,080
kind of I thought very helpful
information Mike's kind of been involved

1372
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:50,159
in this last one was just kind of from
another again legal standpoint but Tim

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01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:53,280
and TJ and Linda work with this all the
time and I thought that's kind of the

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01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:57,040
key people that have just been so
helpful to learn more know more and not

1375
01:51:55,280 --> 01:52:02,320
just think that oh yeah take it put it
on the board agenda and we get to say So

1376
01:51:59,679 --> 01:52:06,480
that's what led me to ask for this for I
thought it would be beneficial for all

1377
01:52:03,599 --> 01:52:10,239
of us and it always has been for me. So
it's up to you and your questions or

1378
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:12,159
anything too but Mike kind of and the
staff

1379
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:15,840
» so I want great
>> I want to know supervisor hall when do

1380
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:20,199
you have to be done here?
>> I just need to use the restroom.

1381
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,199
» You want to go

1382
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:28,960
» well maybe we uh maybe we take care of
that now and then started. Yeah.

1383
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:33,080
» Not trying to make it longer but Just
trying to be kind. But yeah,

1384
01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:42,280
» I hope I didn't just elongate this.

1385
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:48,560
» Hands are freezing.
>> See, that's what Who was it said they

1386
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:49,360
wanted to keep it this way? Tim, I
think.

1387
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:53,440
» Yeah.
>> Said, "I wish my office was the same."

1388
01:52:50,880 --> 01:53:01,599
» You got a jacket on you. Yeah, that's
>> sleeve. It is cool. My hands are cool.

1389
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:05,679
Yeah, Julie fingers are numb. Actually,
>> I was going to say I wonder if you had

1390
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:10,440
any security questions like for
Washington.

1391
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:10,440
» Well, I'm curious. I'm curious.

1392
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:15,080
» Yeah.

1393
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:21,119
» Before Decat was dissolved, that's where
their meetings were.

1394
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:26,239
» Oh, were they?
>> Up on the second, third floor. And

1395
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:31,400
» so,
>> thanks very much for coming today.

1396
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:31,400
» Congratulations, Jim.

1397
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:40,239
» It was kind of I always question the
purpose of the guard out there. didn't

1398
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:43,239
seem to have any
real

1399
01:53:47,679 --> 01:53:50,679
» obvious

1400
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:03,719
construction became like okay there's

1401
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:11,280
» always been
I'll be I'll let you guys have thoughts.

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01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:14,520
Let me know. I'll be out there.
>> Well, yeah.

1403
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:27,119
» All right. Are we are we back in
session?

1404
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,480
» I can relate.
>> We are.

1405
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:34,000
» All right.
>> Thank you. Uh so real quick I'm going to

1406
01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:38,239
give a little overview and then um and
then the the various departments that

1407
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:43,280
are involved. Uh they're represented
here uh for you know questions that

1408
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:48,320
involve their department.
First of all key distinction is

1409
01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:53,280
suspension versus abatement. Um
suspension means you're putting off the

1410
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:57,280
collection of property taxes. Uh
therefore there's not going to be any

1411
01:54:55,040 --> 01:55:02,639
enforcement of them for a period of
time. But taxes do continue to acrue for

1412
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:08,719
payment at a later time. I think a
common instance is that that payment

1413
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:15,040
occurs when the property is sold.
Uh another key principle here is that

1414
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:20,960
abatement requires statutory
authorization. So the board does not

1415
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:26,320
have general equitable discretion to
grant this grant abatement. uh the code

1416
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:30,239
must specifically
uh authorize it and we're going to talk

1417
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:36,080
about those areas that are authorized.
So most of this is go is is governed by

1418
01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:42,560
Iowa code chapter 445 but there are a
number of provisions that affect this in

1419
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:50,239
other chapters including chapter uh 331,
chapter 427 and chapter 446.

1420
01:55:46,639 --> 01:55:59,119
So specific grounds uh first of all
there is uh a ground where we can

1421
01:55:55,199 --> 01:56:05,119
suspend taxes again distinction here
uh under uh for hardship or inability uh

1422
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:11,679
to pay hardship or inability to
contribute to the public revenue and

1423
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:17,199
that is under uh sections 427 and8 and
427.10.

1424
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:21,840
So the uh in those situations, a
taxpayer needs to file a petition with

1425
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:28,239
the treasurer and most of this requires
a petition to be filed with the

1426
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:32,880
treasurer uh by March 1. Uh petition
must be sworn by the taxpayer. So there

1427
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:40,400
must be a swearing statement within it
for it to be valid. The board then has

1428
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:46,880
discretion to suspend taxes. Again, that
doesn't mean abate, but suspend taxes.

1429
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:50,560
So taxes would continue to acrue uh for
payment at a later time. We see that

1430
01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:56,800
quite frequently.
However, and this is important, the

1431
01:56:53,679 --> 01:57:03,040
board may
the board has discretion to abate

1432
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:08,080
previously suspended taxes in the event
that payment appears that it's never

1433
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:13,360
going to happen. I guess that the board
under 427.10

1434
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:18,320
10 has the discretion to abate
previously suspended taxes. Now, there's

1435
01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:22,960
not a set time frame as to when that
happens after that, and we can dig in

1436
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:27,280
further on that, but as an overview,
427.10

1437
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:33,760
gives the board authority to abate
previously suspended taxes.

1438
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:39,920
Uh, next ground, casualty loss. All
right, this is one we've dealt with

1439
01:57:35,599 --> 01:57:43,920
recently, uh, through a request. Um, it
didn't come as a matter of public

1440
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:48,480
record. I don't believe an agenda item
was created for this, but this is under

1441
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:54,480
uh section 445.62
of the code of Iowa. Board has the

1442
01:57:50,880 --> 01:58:01,040
authority to abate or refund in whole or
part taxes of any person whose

1443
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:08,560
buildings, crop, stock, or other
property has been destroyed by fire,

1444
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:13,760
tornado, or other unavoidable casualty.
uh this abatement or refund is allowed

1445
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:19,840
only to the extent that the destruction
wasn't covered by insurance.

1446
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:26,239
Now uh as the board's aware, I've
recently researched this particular

1447
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:30,639
ground. Uh case law is not 100% clear on
it. However,

1448
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:35,119
um the wording of the statute uh
together with the other authority that I

1449
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:42,080
found suggests that destruction does not
mean simply damage or repable damage. Uh

1450
01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:47,360
people generally have the obligation to
repair damage to their to their

1451
01:58:44,239 --> 01:58:53,440
property. Uh destruction means actual
destruction of property. They don't

1452
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:57,599
define that term in the code but that
term has

1453
01:58:55,520 --> 01:59:01,840
kind of understood definitions and it
goes beyond

1454
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:07,040
um beyond something for which repairs
are made.

1455
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:12,239
uh even if less than full destruction
were to be accepted for purposes of

1456
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:18,239
abatement and that's something I don't
advise the board uh consider because I

1457
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:24,560
think it could set a dangerous precedent
uh at the county level but if it less

1458
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:29,679
than full destruction were accepted the
abatement wouldn't be measured by the

1459
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:35,440
amount of destruction
uh but rather it would be measured in

1460
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:41,199
how much taxes you know value would go
down. So how much taxes would be reduced

1461
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:46,960
due to the dei the dimmonition in value
of the property. All right in the case

1462
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:51,040
of uh in the case of less than full
destruction

1463
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:55,840
um being accepted for purposes of
abatement.

1464
01:59:52,639 --> 02:00:03,920
Uh, next ground uh when the county holds
a tax sale certificate or the parcel is

1465
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:08,080
unsold at tax sale. So now the county
purchases at tax sale and I don't

1466
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:11,679
believe we currently do this. I don't
believe this has happened in the time

1467
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:16,400
I've worked here, but I know it's
legally permissible.

1468
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:22,159
uh board of supervisors can compromise
those taxes by written agreement or

1469
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:26,960
abate by resolution the tax interest
fees or costs.

1470
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:32,800
Uh if a parcel is offered at tax sale
but not sold, the county can compromise

1471
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:36,560
by written agreement or abatement by
resolution

1472
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:41,599
uh the tax interest, fees or costs. I
believe we have done some of that where

1473
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:46,880
we have a property sitting uh without
standing taxes and we enter into an

1474
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:51,920
agreement so that it can be acquired and
uh and hopefully put to productive use.

1475
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:59,760
Uh this agreement must be filed with the
treasurer. A next ground for abatement

1476
02:00:55,599 --> 02:01:05,360
late acquired exempt property. Now
there's a deadline for someone to

1477
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:11,520
petition for exemption and that is
February 1 of that you know that

1478
02:01:08,639 --> 02:01:17,520
calendar year that tax year.
Um, if someone buys, say somebody buys a

1479
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:23,840
church, uh, but they did so after the
February 1 deadline and there's still

1480
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:29,599
taxes owing on it, um, they can then
petition

1481
02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:36,880
to have that property be declared exempt
and to have that go back as though they

1482
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:42,000
were able to timely file a uh, petition
for

1483
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:46,560
uh, the exemption. So this is only good
and there's there's a very tenuous

1484
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:51,280
exception you can find under case law.
We've dealt with that I believe several

1485
02:01:48,719 --> 02:01:58,000
years ago. But technically you're not
supposed to do this unless they could

1486
02:01:55,199 --> 02:02:03,440
not meet the February 1 deadline. So if
they got that property before that, they

1487
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:07,119
need to meet that February 1 deadline.
And then of course the property is

1488
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:11,800
something that would have been exempt
under Iowa code 427.1.

1489
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:25,119
Um another uh area where the board has
discretion or authority to abate is

1490
02:02:20,719 --> 02:02:31,280
clerical error. This is under 331.301
subsection 14. So it's under county home

1491
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:36,880
rule. Um this is when it's just as it
sounds. It's when there's a clerical

1492
02:02:33,199 --> 02:02:42,000
error that resulted in assessment of uh
penalty, interest, cost, taxes that

1493
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:45,679
shouldn't have been. Then we we
typically would wave all of that in that

1494
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:52,239
circumstance.
Um in fact there's a uh

1495
02:02:49,599 --> 02:02:58,239
you'll uh you'll find later there's a
mandatory

1496
02:02:54,159 --> 02:03:02,239
um abatement in cases where there is uh
where there's an erroneous or illegally

1497
02:03:00,639 --> 02:03:06,000
paid tax and I'll get to that in a
second. So now I'm moving on to another

1498
02:03:04,239 --> 02:03:11,520
category of abatement and this is where
the board must abate. All right. Uh

1499
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:16,000
first of all and some of these by the
way are are are sort of head scratchers.

1500
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:23,440
We'll get into that in a second here.
Um, number one, uncollectable taxes

1501
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:30,800
returned by outofcount treasurer. So
when a treasurer receiving an abstract

1502
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:35,440
endorses it uncollectible
and administratively

1503
02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:40,639
impractical to collect the tax, the
board of supervisors

1504
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:48,920
shall compromise or bait the tax
interest and cost under Iowa code

1505
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:48,920
section 445.56.

1506
02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:59,360
Um, next one, impractical
when when it is impractical to collect

1507
02:03:55,360 --> 02:04:05,119
taxes after tax sale and personal
judgment remedies. So, if the treasurer

1508
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:11,199
determines that it is impractical to
pursue collection of the total amount

1509
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:16,159
due through the tax sale and through
personal judgment remedies. And by the

1510
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:21,599
way, personal judgment means that it is
that one of the remedies that is

1511
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:27,040
permitted to the treasurer is to file
suit against the taxpayer to try to

1512
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:32,960
collect through a personal judgment
against that person. We have done this

1513
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:37,440
one time uh since I've been employed by
the county. Uh we had to serve somebody

1514
02:04:35,599 --> 02:04:41,199
down in Florida for it, but then it was
later determined that it would be

1515
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:46,320
uncollectible. and the treasurer who was
then Rita Schmidt determined that we

1516
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:50,480
would not persist in in trying to
prosecute the suit. So, we dismissed the

1517
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:54,400
suit in that instance.
Uh but anyway, if the treasur determines

1518
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:59,360
that it's impractical to pursue
collection of a total amount due through

1519
02:04:56,560 --> 02:05:02,480
tax sale and personal judgment remedies,
the treasurer shall make a written

1520
02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:09,520
recommendation to the board of
supervisors to abate the amount due and

1521
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:13,920
the board of supervisors shall abate by
resolution the amount due and direct the

1522
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:19,679
treasurer to strike the amount due from
the county system. I believe we've seen

1523
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:25,520
this on occasion on recommendation by
the treasurer.

1524
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:32,880
Um, next one where we must debate are
taxes owed on state or political

1525
02:05:29,599 --> 02:05:38,800
subdivision property. All right. So
445.63

1526
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:45,760
63 uh is where we find this uh this
provision and that is when taxes are

1527
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:51,040
owing against a parcel owned or claimed
by the state or a city or county. So any

1528
02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:56,639
political subdivision
uh the taxes preeded their ownership.

1529
02:05:54,719 --> 02:06:01,199
The treasurer shall give notice to the
appropriate governing body which and

1530
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:06,800
this is the part that's kind of the head
scratcher which shall pay the amount

1531
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:11,360
due. But if they don't pay then we must
abate. So we have to give notice to the

1532
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:17,040
government that they need to pay the
taxes outstanding. But when they don't

1533
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:23,599
pay it on time then we have to abate
them. Um and so then there's a separate

1534
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:30,400
section 446.7
sub2 that's very similar municipal

1535
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:34,079
political subdivision parcels at tax
sale.

1536
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:38,960
Uh so when taxes are owing against
parcels owned or claimed by a municipal

1537
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:44,719
or political subdivision of the state of
Iowa or parcels of the state or its

1538
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:50,400
agencies, the treasurer shall give
notice to the appropriate governing body

1539
02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:57,520
of whichever government owns it claiming
ownership anyway that owns it uh that

1540
02:06:54,480 --> 02:07:02,800
they owe it and the amount due. And then
if they fail to pay the amount due, the

1541
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:08,320
board of supervisors shall abate. Um I
don't believe I've seen either of these

1542
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:12,639
circumstances arise in my time here.
Um finally, and this was the one I

1543
02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:19,360
mentioned earlier,
uh refund

1544
02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:26,079
of erroneously or illegally paid tax. So
the board of supervisors shall uh direct

1545
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:31,360
county treasurer to refund any uh to any
taxpayer any tax or portion of tax to

1546
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:36,719
have been found erroneously or illegally
paid together with all interest fees and

1547
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:41,920
costs actually paid.
Um, now it is it typically is not to be

1548
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:47,920
ordered
uh unless a claim for refund is

1549
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:52,800
presented to the board within 2 years of
the date the tax is due. There's kind of

1550
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:57,040
a statute of limitations on this one.
Um, or if it is appealed to the board of

1551
02:07:54,960 --> 02:08:02,239
review, the property assessment appeal
board uh, director revenue or district

1552
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:06,880
court within two years of the final
decision. So if they appeal it to one of

1553
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:12,639
the tax assessment appeal through the
tax assessment appeal routes and that's

1554
02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:17,599
within two two years prior then they are
effectively tolling the statute of

1555
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:21,360
limitations so they're still on time. Um
next category and I promise we're almost

1556
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:24,159
done here.
>> I'm learning more today and more than

1557
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:27,760
I've ever heard.
>> I tell you and I and one of these

1558
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:31,440
already gave me a question mark that I
have to go back and research. It's funny

1559
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:36,480
how that works though.
specific circumstances where the board

1560
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:40,320
cannot abate. And that doesn't mean
they're the only ones, but these are

1561
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:46,079
ones that that are important to keep in
mind. Number one, as I already

1562
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:51,760
mentioned, no general equitable
authority. So Iowa courts have actually

1563
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:57,440
confirmed this over the years that
there's not a general

1564
02:08:54,560 --> 02:09:02,960
uh equitable authority by either a court
or the board of supervisors to

1565
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:07,920
compromise or abate taxes just on
general equitable grounds. So again, we

1566
02:09:05,119 --> 02:09:11,920
have to have a statutory ground. Each
time one of these comes before the

1567
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:18,040
board, we have to find that statutory
ground.

1568
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:18,040
Um the uh

1569
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:27,760
with regard to uh a circumstance that
could arise, I've never seen this arise

1570
02:09:24,719 --> 02:09:32,239
here. The board of supervisors could be
put into a position where they may act

1571
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:37,920
as a board of equalization. And if that
were to happen, equalization duties are

1572
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:42,239
limited to equalizing the value of the
property assessed by the property

1573
02:09:40,239 --> 02:09:46,960
officer. Again, I don't see that ever
happening. We've had equalization

1574
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:52,239
orders. Those have been addressed by the
assessor. They happen. They have never

1575
02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:55,840
come before the board. And I'm not sure
that there's really a circumstance where

1576
02:09:54,000 --> 02:10:03,320
the board would serve in this capacity
anymore, but it does technically still

1577
02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:03,320
exist on the books. Um,

1578
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:11,199
next one. No authority to abate another
taxing body's levy. It's if it's a

1579
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:16,400
different government's taxes, our board
can't abate them. That's the bottom

1580
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:21,440
line. Um
and then uh

1581
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:25,440
other than that, you know, you just look
to the statute for your grounds to

1582
02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:30,400
abate. But if you don't have if you
don't have statutory grounds,

1583
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:34,560
um if the taxes,
you don't have general, you you can't

1584
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:39,520
just do it based on equity. Uh so you
got to have specific grounds in order to

1585
02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:42,960
abate. Now,
if

1586
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:47,040
there are, it's important to understand
the procedure here as well, and I think

1587
02:10:45,119 --> 02:10:51,280
this generally happens, but petitions
are to be filed with the treasurer by

1588
02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:59,199
March 1 in the event that there's going
to be a discretionary abatement.

1589
02:10:55,040 --> 02:11:03,760
Um, and that's under 427.8 or 427.10.
Those are the hardship abatements.

1590
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:08,360
Um
the uh abatements under 44516

1591
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:18,880
which are the where it's impractical to
collect after tax sale and personal

1592
02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:24,639
judgment remedies have been exhausted or
or found impractical.

1593
02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:29,520
Um that you know must be accompanied by
a resolution of the board and we've had

1594
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:35,679
that come before us before.
Uh mandatory abatements require written

1595
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:42,400
recommendation from the treasurer
uh before the board acts by resolution.

1596
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:47,920
And uh any suspended taxes or abatements
the county treasurer shall remain within

1597
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:54,520
the county system an official record or
the official record of those

1598
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:54,520
determinations and what was decided.

1599
02:11:55,040 --> 02:12:05,360
Um moving right along.
If in the event by the way that uh any

1600
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:08,960
taxes are abated for for and
recommendation of the treasurer, they

1601
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:13,679
shall be deemed fully satisfied and
cancelled and the records need to

1602
02:12:10,639 --> 02:12:17,599
reflect that. Now, for refunds of
erroneously or illegally paid taxes, a

1603
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:22,560
claim must be presented to the board
again within two years after the date

1604
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:27,199
tax is due or within two years of the
final decision if the matter was

1605
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:32,560
appealed. So if it goes down one of
those assessment appeals. All right. So

1606
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:37,119
the the bottom line here and the one
thing that the board needs to remember

1607
02:12:34,239 --> 02:12:41,040
on all of this is that when an abatement
and and the board's always done a good

1608
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:48,320
job of this in my opinion at least since
I've been here has when a request for

1609
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:52,560
abatement comes to the board don't ever
suggest to a taxpayer if you're the one

1610
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:56,400
talking to them that you know oh yeah
you know it sounds like you've got a

1611
02:12:53,840 --> 02:13:01,599
good case or it sounds like no we've got
to we have to find our specific statuto

1612
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:05,679
ground in order to go through with that
or we don't have the authority to abate

1613
02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:11,440
and that's the important thing to
remember. All right.

1614
02:13:08,079 --> 02:13:15,840
Um so I think that's uh my part. If you
have any questions for me right now, I

1615
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:20,560
will do my best to either record them
and come back later or to uh try to

1616
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:24,320
explain what my thoughts are.
>> Well, I know that's where like in this

1617
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:26,880
last incident where we were asked that
and it sounded like something

1618
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:32,400
legitimate. I think the person said
they'd even seen the form on other

1619
02:13:30,639 --> 02:13:36,800
county sites or whatever that they could
use and they were just looking for

1620
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:41,760
something similar on our website. And
so, um, then I reached out to, like I

1621
02:13:40,079 --> 02:13:44,719
said, I mentioned in the email, I think,
to all of us that I was going to re we

1622
02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:47,840
had to reach out to different department
heads because that would be the

1623
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:51,599
treasurer that'd be involved and be the
assessor that'd be involved. Sometimes

1624
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:55,520
it's Tim that's also involved, but we
also needed the legal counsel from Mike

1625
02:13:54,079 --> 02:13:59,599
before we just put something like that
on the agenda and approve it. And then

1626
02:13:57,679 --> 02:14:03,199
we started running into the different
aspects of it which were totally unknown

1627
02:14:01,599 --> 02:14:07,560
to me, I guess, of how it could be done
or how it was done. So

1628
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:14,880
that's the part I think that's difficult
to know to work through or how or even

1629
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:18,639
in the case of the church where um they
thought they legitimately had a com not

1630
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:22,560
a complaint but a reason to do the
abatement and typically we'd say yes you

1631
02:14:20,560 --> 02:14:26,639
did you didn't you got the property is
at this date you know and that type of

1632
02:14:24,079 --> 02:14:30,560
thing so you probably would but then
Linda suggested I can't remember what

1633
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:32,960
the document was called um
>> sales agreement

1634
02:14:31,440 --> 02:14:35,679
» like a what was it
>> a closing statementing the closing

1635
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:39,840
statement
>> and then when we got that and everybody

1636
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:45,040
took a look at that then it was then you
actually saw that that had been paid by

1637
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:48,320
the seller. So while it would have been
something that you might have put on and

1638
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:53,520
listening to the not that the church in
any way tried to mislead us but they

1639
02:14:51,599 --> 02:14:57,360
felt they were entitled to that because
they were a church and they wanted us to

1640
02:14:55,679 --> 02:15:01,599
put it on and were very frustrated and
kept saying you know hey let's do this

1641
02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:06,159
why aren't you doing this and um didn't
didn't maybe understand either. So it

1642
02:15:04,079 --> 02:15:10,000
was great to have all those individuals
have that expertise. So I guess if

1643
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:14,400
anything it's kind of reaching out to
make sure all of them including just the

1644
02:15:12,159 --> 02:15:18,800
legal aspect but of all the different
aspects of it. And I know TJ even when

1645
02:15:16,719 --> 02:15:23,599
you mentioned this last one about the
property being destroyed um and what is

1646
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:28,159
destroyed I thought you had certain
things um that if you wouldn't mind like

1647
02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:31,920
I said that was what constitutes
destroyed or not or to what level and it

1648
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:37,040
isn't just
>> having damaged roofs and things like

1649
02:15:33,599 --> 02:15:40,880
that. uh TJ Koixfeld assessor. Um we do
look we look at properties every year

1650
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:43,440
that you know not we're not seeing every
single property every single year but we

1651
02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:47,199
are reviewing properties and when he
mentioned that his property was

1652
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:50,560
destroyed and unmarketable um we
instantly tag it and then we go out and

1653
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:55,760
we take a look at it so we can verify if
it truly is unusable we'll assess we'll

1654
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:59,679
we'll assess that differently if that's
the case of January 1st. So we we assess

1655
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:03,360
as of January 1st each year. So, if they
fix it throughout the year, you won't

1656
02:16:01,360 --> 02:16:09,280
see any kind of relief at all. Um, just
because it's it was if it was damaged in

1657
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:14,880
let's just say July or April or May or
June somewhere, whatever that hail was.

1658
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:18,960
Um, they fix everything by January 1,
then it never really happened in in

1659
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:22,400
valuation ice because we value January
1st. So, that's the important thing to

1660
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:25,760
remember. And the taxes that are
currently out there now are for 2025.

1661
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:29,520
So, any kind of abatement would have
been for something that was prior to any

1662
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:34,319
damage at all anyway. uh the taxes that
will be coming out after this coming in

1663
02:16:31,199 --> 02:16:41,519
January will be um for the our 2027 year
be for uh 28 2028 in the fall. So how

1664
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:45,920
how the assessment process will will
keep up with this as it's moving along.

1665
02:16:43,359 --> 02:16:50,880
Now this is where it comes down to
cosmetic versus not hail damage on a on

1666
02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:55,200
a commercial building. You know for our
purposes I don't know if it would affect

1667
02:16:52,319 --> 02:16:59,519
assess value much. Uh we don't we we
haven't had any any kind of input or any

1668
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:04,479
kind of appraisal work or anything to
say due to hail damage it's worth 5% 10%

1669
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:08,000
less. I don't have a clue. Um you know
it there's there's no market on that

1670
02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:12,000
right now. We haven't had any
catastrophic hail like this to see hey

1671
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:15,280
this house has this house had vinyl
sighting and it's got a bunch of dimples

1672
02:17:13,519 --> 02:17:18,399
all over the side of it. What does that
mean? I I don't know. You know we'll see

1673
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:22,639
down the road if that really truly
matters or not. Um, but yeah, in this

1674
02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:29,040
case here, I can't say that it wouldn't
affect market value, but I don't know

1675
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:32,479
how much or or anything about that.
There's been nothing submitted. I'll say

1676
02:17:30,479 --> 02:17:36,000
that. So, other than just, you know,
this this should affect market value.

1677
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:39,519
That's all we've heard. We do have it
flagged at his other parcel. Um, we do

1678
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:44,319
have it flagged to come take a look at.
I believe they've been in contact with

1679
02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:49,040
them. So, but that's the process on the
values. And so, and that happens with

1680
02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:53,120
floods, um, fires, they're all treated
the same way. If you have a firehouse,

1681
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:57,359
you know, you're going to get a tax bill
still because where everything's 18

1682
02:17:54,319 --> 02:18:01,280
months in the rears. So, to bait
something like that would be basically

1683
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:06,639
getting rid of taxes that's prior to
anything that's actually happened.

1684
02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:09,439
» But TJ, do you guys ask if any of the
damage is covered by insurance and being

1685
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:14,000
repaired?
>> No. No. For us, valuation wise, we're

1686
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:17,760
just January 1st looking at evaluation.
That's all we're doing. We're not

1687
02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:20,639
» Well, and in fairness to get to your
question, I I want to make sure you

1688
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:24,800
understand this.
>> He's he's looking at value, the board

1689
02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:27,920
would consider abatement. So, the board
would be concerned about the insurance.

1690
02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:29,920
» But if if he's getting called out there
because of damage,

1691
02:18:29,439 --> 02:18:32,399
» yeah.
>> Is it going to be repaired after you've

1692
02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:35,760
been there?
>> Yeah. Well, that's the thing. We'll keep

1693
02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:40,800
up with that. But we're valuing as of
January 1st, too. So, you know, it may

1694
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:44,559
be we go out to a house that had um you
know, say had fire damage to it. we see

1695
02:18:42,559 --> 02:18:48,160
it in May, we're not going to make that
final decision till December, January,

1696
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:53,200
sometimes even February. So, hey, were
you done by January 1. And so, you know,

1697
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:57,040
and and and that happens quite a bit
where you will see fire damage and the

1698
02:18:55,120 --> 02:19:00,080
house is repaired and they never saw a
decrease in their tax bill because it

1699
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:03,599
was completed by January 1st. So, in
that situation, we wouldn't just say,

1700
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:08,719
"Hey, here's, you know, x amount of
dollars that your house or your your

1701
02:19:05,359 --> 02:19:11,920
building is worth less now." And then we
uh we would still want to know as of

1702
02:19:10,399 --> 02:19:16,080
January 1, where's it actually sitting
at, you know, has it been repaired or

1703
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:20,319
not? We Yeah, we won't just ignore it, I
guess. Yeah, we we chase them.

1704
02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:23,040
» Yep.
>> Let me ask this question. This is

1705
02:19:21,679 --> 02:19:26,800
because this is how you guys always have
helped me. Um when we get requests

1706
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:29,760
because many times they come from people
that have already worked with you and

1707
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:33,040
missed the timeline and so you really
update us and tell us this is going to

1708
02:19:31,359 --> 02:19:37,040
be the case or you know, we've already
worked with these folks. But in um like

1709
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:40,559
when someone just reaches out to us and
thinks like we'd like to request tax

1710
02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:45,280
abatement because we think we have this
reason or whatever should we refer them

1711
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:48,720
to you to start and then maybe after
that conversation would they be best to

1712
02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:53,040
help all the supervisors that
understanding I'm just looking at ways

1713
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:56,640
to help everybody I guess thinking that
it's difficult to be put in that

1714
02:19:54,560 --> 02:20:00,240
position and we don't understand any of
that and we don't work with any of that

1715
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:04,399
yet we're the ones that are able to do
the abatements and give the approval and

1716
02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:08,399
it sounds like you say when they talk to
you, it sounds like a case that maybe

1717
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:10,000
does make sense or something and then it
isn't

1718
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:14,399
» right. So then
>> yeah, it happens where you know they

1719
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:17,920
don't we we do our best to contact if we
know if we can tell that they're going

1720
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:21,760
to they're probably going to be exempt a
church selling to a church or you know a

1721
02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:25,280
nonprofit selling to a nonprofit. Some
nonprofits we're not aware of. They, you

1722
02:20:23,439 --> 02:20:28,560
know, we don't know. So we but we're
contacting who we can to say, "Hey, make

1723
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:32,080
sure you sign up if you are going to be
nonprofit." So hopefully it avoids this

1724
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:35,680
kind of issue with them just simply
forgetting. Um because a lot of people

1725
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:38,880
don't a lot of nonprofits don't know
what they have to actually file to be

1726
02:20:37,439 --> 02:20:43,120
exempt. You don't just you're not
automatic. Churches aren't just

1727
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:47,040
automatic. So when they do when they do
get um a tax bill, that's when you

1728
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:50,640
usually see it because we don't pay
taxes and here it comes. Yeah. You can

1729
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:54,160
forward on to us. I work with Tim and
the auditor's office and Linda and

1730
02:20:52,319 --> 02:20:57,760
treasur's office and you know I can tell
them on our part here's what we found.

1731
02:20:56,080 --> 02:21:00,800
They didn't sign up by February 1
deadline. they probably would have

1732
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:03,600
qualified if they would have and then
you kind of go from there on how much it

1733
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:06,399
would have been looking at closing
statements and all that kind of stuff.

1734
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:08,240
» Or does it make sense to send an email
to you, I guess, and copy the others

1735
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:11,439
since
>> Oh, I would send to everybody. Sure.

1736
02:21:10,399 --> 02:21:14,000
» Yeah, I'd send to everybody because
we're all going to be involved with it.

1737
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:16,399
» That's what I do.
>> Yeah, we all have our own little part in

1738
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:18,399
every single one of these. So, yeah, it'
be no problem.

1739
02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:23,760
» Well, we've had in the last couple of
years to a church that did um purchased

1740
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:26,160
a building or a building. There was a
business that purchased it and thought

1741
02:21:24,960 --> 02:21:29,439
they were a church and thought they were
exempt and they didn't pay the tax bill

1742
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:33,520
and it had come twice
>> and they wanted us to evade it and they

1743
02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:34,800
thought they were exempt.
>> Yeah.

1744
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:38,560
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. There's there's there's all types

1745
02:21:36,880 --> 02:21:44,800
of different scenarios out there and so
we just we just uh try to just sum up

1746
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:48,080
here's the steps of what took place and
um you know go from there. Obviously

1747
02:21:46,319 --> 02:21:50,160
it's your final call. We just can just
get

1748
02:21:48,560 --> 02:21:52,640
» all the information we need to still we
can make the

1749
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:56,960
» Yeah, you'll make the final call. Well,
we're just kind of just guiding you on

1750
02:21:54,080 --> 02:22:03,920
here's what happened and you know this
what this is the the process and then

1751
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:08,240
Mike can weigh in on the code portion.
>> I think I mean in a lot of these cases

1752
02:22:06,880 --> 02:22:14,560
I mean some I would I would think that
some of the owners would be falling on

1753
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:20,319
either the real estate agents or the um
real estate um attorneys that are often

1754
02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:24,399
times being paid a hefty amount in some
cases. You know, I know I bought my

1755
02:22:22,399 --> 02:22:27,120
house, they had to do very little. I
found the house myself.

1756
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:33,359
» Um,
>> and so I I I wonder if if the county I

1757
02:22:32,080 --> 02:22:39,600
don't know if this is your suggestion,
Mike, that we set out some more clear

1758
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:44,160
parameters within what's allowed in the
state law of what Blackhawk County is

1759
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:48,080
going to be sticking to. And maybe that
would make it more clear to folks like,

1760
02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:53,359
hey, at closing, this is something that
you need to be aware of. and and check

1761
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:58,640
those boxes.
>> I would uh this is uh kind of out of

1762
02:22:56,960 --> 02:23:04,560
left field for me, but bear with me
here. Um I have some concerns about the

1763
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:10,720
county trying to set out parameters.
Parameters are already set by state law.

1764
02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:17,439
And if the county tries to
summarize or reword those, um, we could

1765
02:23:14,479 --> 02:23:22,880
potentially be held
liable if there were a a circumstance

1766
02:23:20,319 --> 02:23:27,040
where say the state didn't agree with
our decision or something like that for

1767
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:31,040
for misstating
the rule or the law. And that in

1768
02:23:28,560 --> 02:23:34,479
addition to that, I I don't know how you
go about communicating that. you know,

1769
02:23:32,880 --> 02:23:38,240
there are, yeah, there are closing
companies, there are realtors, there are

1770
02:23:36,640 --> 02:23:42,319
real estate attorneys, there are others
who are involved, but do you actually

1771
02:23:40,479 --> 02:23:46,960
get this through to everyone? And then
if somebody doesn't see this, do they

1772
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:50,720
claim that they were somehow, you know,
left in the dark or or didn't have a

1773
02:23:48,880 --> 02:23:55,920
right somebody else had by not getting
that? Um,

1774
02:23:53,200 --> 02:24:01,520
this is one of those circumstances where
it it comes up

1775
02:23:58,800 --> 02:24:07,040
infrequently enough that I think it's
better to leave things the way they are

1776
02:24:04,319 --> 02:24:10,399
since the parameters are already set by
state code.

1777
02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:13,840
» Maybe just to me the procedural kind of
stuff helped us when we all got

1778
02:24:12,399 --> 02:24:17,760
together. I mean, it helped me
tremendously then to understand

1779
02:24:15,359 --> 02:24:21,600
everybody's role and where that was and
each had an opinion and thought on it.

1780
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:27,359
But yet it was something then to share
with the board, not just me. So

1781
02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:31,760
great. Oh, thank you. Please.
>> I was just gonna add to the closing

1782
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:36,000
statement. Uh, Linda Hinsman, treasurer.
Um,

1783
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:42,880
I think all of us communicating the
board and all of us back here, um, TJ,

1784
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:48,800
um, Tim, Ashley, and myself has been
very helpful

1785
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:53,520
on the on the church that we had. I
think where the confusion was was the

1786
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:59,120
they didn't understand what had happened
at the closing.

1787
02:24:55,920 --> 02:25:03,600
So when they closed, it wasn't like they
bought it from a business. The business

1788
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:07,920
pro the taxes were prorrated like they
should have been. They didn't actually

1789
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:13,600
receive the money in their hand. They
received basically a credit. So they

1790
02:25:10,399 --> 02:25:18,319
paid less for that building because of
the business.

1791
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:22,640
They paid what was it the September
taxes I believe. Was it September?

1792
02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:27,439
» They they had paid the September. Okay.
But when March rolled around, they were

1793
02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:31,520
confused. Well, we should be abated. And
that's where the confusion was was, you

1794
02:25:29,600 --> 02:25:39,040
know, us asking, hey, can we see your
closing statement? Um, so they had

1795
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:44,680
actually received credit of
uh where were we at? Oh, proration of

1796
02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:44,680
$154,891.

1797
02:25:45,120 --> 02:25:53,520
They didn't understand that that credit
they received upfront that they paid

1798
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:58,160
less on in the end was actually
designated to come to Black County to

1799
02:25:55,680 --> 02:26:03,520
pay the taxes. So, I think with all of
us working together, um, communicating

1800
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:09,120
was a good way to try to communicate
with that church, saying, "Hey, I I see

1801
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:13,040
where you're coming from, but I don't
think you realize that the church

1802
02:26:11,120 --> 02:26:17,920
actually
got paid the money up front. Um, they

1803
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:23,680
actually came out ahead than what the
taxes were in all honesty. But like I

1804
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:27,600
said, I just I feel like we have a great
group here and we all communicate very

1805
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:34,000
well. But I I think it's our job to
inform the public or whoever's asking,

1806
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:36,640
you know, this is why we're saying this
or this. So,

1807
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:39,920
» no, I thought it was a great job you did
for the taxpayers is really looking out

1808
02:26:38,479 --> 02:26:41,680
for the taxpayers in this, but I said
the church still doesn't feel

1809
02:26:41,439 --> 02:26:44,319
» Yes.
>> the people we're talking to.

1810
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:48,479
» Well, and and now the church knows
moving forward they're within the

1811
02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:51,439
guidelines. They're now exempt and
everybody's happy. So,

1812
02:26:49,760 --> 02:26:54,240
» yes, going forward they are. But I just
Yeah. I asked if it was resolved the

1813
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:57,439
other day and they said no, it hasn't
been. And I thought, well, it has.

1814
02:26:56,000 --> 02:27:00,080
» It's been,
>> but we're sorry.

1815
02:26:58,399 --> 02:27:04,080
» Yep. They should be happy.
>> I found it interesting that the three

1816
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:07,359
examples, one was from California,
another one was from a county in

1817
02:27:05,439 --> 02:27:12,240
Washington, and then the the
questionnaire came from Ohio. None of

1818
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:15,760
these were from Iowa. There's I don't
know if this is something something

1819
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:19,520
specific to Blackhawk County. It's
happening or is there other counties in

1820
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:22,560
Iowa don't have something already in
place similar what they're giving us?

1821
02:27:21,359 --> 02:27:26,080
» Go ahead, Tim. You want to speak to it,
too? You were talking about the history

1822
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:27,520
of when this had happened before that
one.

1823
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:32,720
» Yeah, sorry.
>> I do have four slides, but I can skip

1824
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:36,560
them. Uh Tim Jameson, real estate tax
manager in the auditor's office. First

1825
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:42,800
thing I wanted to point out, uh Mike was
talking about the casualty abatements or

1826
02:27:39,359 --> 02:27:47,120
the uh you know, flood fire. Um I did a
minute search um on our new searchable

1827
02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:51,280
minute system, which is great. Thanks
for letting us do that. I only found

1828
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:56,960
four instances where that code section
was mentioned. one where they abated the

1829
02:27:53,040 --> 02:28:01,680
taxes in 19 1983 for a person whose
house was destroyed by fire and it was

1830
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:06,160
like $114 were abated. It was half of
what what the bill was. um it was

1831
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:12,160
briefly mentioned in relation to another
uh tax abatement request, but it wasn't

1832
02:28:08,399 --> 02:28:17,840
relevant to that request in 1993.
And then in um 1994, there were two long

1833
02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:22,160
board work sessions, and there's some
extensive correspondence in those

1834
02:28:20,240 --> 02:28:26,560
minutes about what was discussed. At
that point, I think it was all related

1835
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:29,680
to the 1993 floods, if anybody remembers
those, but it was a lot of statewide

1836
02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:33,920
damage. So, a lot of counties were
talking about that policy. From the

1837
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:38,800
minutes, it sounded like only Scott
County implemented any kind of a policy

1838
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:43,200
to uh uh pay any claims on that. Pulk
County specifically said, "No way. It'll

1839
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:47,520
destroy our budget." So, um and
Blackhawk County took no action at that

1840
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:52,240
point. But I emailed you all copies of
those minutes this morning. Uh so you

1841
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:56,960
can read those yourselves um if you're
interested. It's four pages, but it's

1842
02:28:54,240 --> 02:29:01,359
from four different meetings. So, um,
the other thing I was just going to

1843
02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:04,800
mention briefly,
if I can,

1844
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:07,600
» while you're looking, I was going to say
that makes sense to you because during

1845
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:11,439
CO, remember, there were people that
came to us then and were hoping we could

1846
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:15,760
evade taxes just to kind of help out
because their businesses have been

1847
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:23,280
closed or they've had
>> uh so um when those requests for tax

1848
02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:27,680
abatement come, uh the assessor's
office, our office, and the treasures

1849
02:29:25,439 --> 02:29:31,920
office all work really closely together.
We're not making making a recommendation

1850
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:36,240
to you. Uh but we can provide some
technical information that might be

1851
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:40,319
valuable when you um make your decision.
One of the things that TJ mentioned I

1852
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:45,439
wanted to point out was that you pay the
taxes the year after you incur them. So

1853
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:50,479
uh for the tax bills that just went out,
those were based on the January 1st,

1854
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:54,479
2025 value that TJ sets. And at that
point he's also setting the

1855
02:29:52,319 --> 02:30:00,160
classification and also whether it's
exempt or taxable property. Um the taxes

1856
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:06,640
actually start in being incurred or
acrewing on July 1st of 2025 and that

1857
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:11,920
runs through June 30th of 2026. Then we
mail the bills out or or Linda mails the

1858
02:30:08,960 --> 02:30:15,200
bills out in July and you pay half of
them in September and half of them in

1859
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:19,760
March. So again, the point is you're
you're paying taxes the year after

1860
02:30:16,960 --> 02:30:23,359
you've actually incurred those. And it
works both ways. If you build a brand

1861
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:26,800
new house, the first year you're living
in it, you don't get a tax bill for that

1862
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:31,680
house, right? Because it comes a year
later. Um,

1863
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:34,319
and and and so what our office will do
when we get these requests for tax

1864
02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:38,479
abatements is just look at the
proration. So here's a here's a standard

1865
02:30:36,479 --> 02:30:42,160
proration, right? Your taxes are in are
being incurred from July 1st through

1866
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:46,160
June 30th. Well, what happens if
somebody buys your house in April? How

1867
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:49,520
do you deal with the taxes then? Because
the seller owned it for three4s of the

1868
02:30:48,160 --> 02:30:53,120
year. or the buyer is only going to
order it for a quarter of the year that

1869
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:57,760
those taxes were incurred. So, the
example being if the if the buyer was

1870
02:30:55,359 --> 02:31:02,399
getting it on April 1st of 2026 and
they're expecting a $4,000 tax bill,

1871
02:31:00,319 --> 02:31:08,960
your closing agent is going to credit
the buyer with $3,000 in taxes for that

1872
02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:12,640
34s of a year. Um, we don't in the uh
treasur's office and auditor's office

1873
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:16,800
don't bill each of you for your portion.
We build a person who owns the property

1874
02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:21,040
on July 1. So, the buyer is going to get
the full $4,000 tax bill. They should

1875
02:31:19,520 --> 02:31:25,520
have been credited if they had a good
closing agent with three grand at

1876
02:31:23,359 --> 02:31:29,359
closing as part of their closing. And I
think Linda mentioned the church had a

1877
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:36,720
closing document that showed how much
they received at closing for the taxes.

1878
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:40,000
Um, so the reason I brought this up is
when we get a request for tax abatement,

1879
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:45,040
the county gets a request for tax
abatement and we're looking at that.

1880
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:48,800
What our office does is looks to say,
well, the person that's requesting this

1881
02:31:46,880 --> 02:31:53,120
abatement, did they own it for that full
year, or did somebody else own it for

1882
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:57,040
part of that year? And if so, wouldn't
you want to know that if you're deciding

1883
02:31:54,640 --> 02:32:00,880
whether to abate those taxes? Um, maybe
you only want to abate the taxes if you

1884
02:31:58,960 --> 02:32:04,640
choose to abate the taxes for the period
that the person requesting that or the

1885
02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:09,680
current owner actually owned the
property. Um, the second thing, and we

1886
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:13,359
don't get closing statements regularly,
but if you had a situation, maybe you

1887
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:18,000
would want to ask for that to find out,
did you get those taxes at closing? Um,

1888
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:22,160
why are you asking for us to abate it if
you receive those taxes at closing? Um,

1889
02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:26,399
so that's what our office does. And then
I just wanted to note in general, and TJ

1890
02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:32,160
mentioned this, that we've we get
requests from churches, uh, 501c3s,

1891
02:32:29,439 --> 02:32:36,319
charities, um, for tax payments. they
automatically assume they just don't pay

1892
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:40,000
taxes, which is not true. Um, first of
all, just because you're a nonprofit

1893
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:44,160
doesn't mean your property is taxexempt.
You might be using it for a taxable

1894
02:32:41,680 --> 02:32:48,880
purpose. TJ's office, the assessor's
office determines that. You also have to

1895
02:32:46,399 --> 02:32:52,240
apply for that abatement uh with the
assessor's office. You don't

1896
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:56,720
automatically get it. So, by February
1st of the assessment year, you have to

1897
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:59,840
apply for that exemption. And this is
where we run into a lot of those

1898
02:32:58,240 --> 02:33:06,800
requests is they don't apply for that
exemption. A because they didn't know

1899
02:33:01,280 --> 02:33:11,840
they had to uh or B they were late. Um
and also um another misconception is

1900
02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:16,960
once you buy that property, if you're a
taxexempt uh uh organization, you don't

1901
02:33:15,359 --> 02:33:20,000
you don't prorrate the taxes in the
middle of the year and stop paying when

1902
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:25,120
you're buy it. You're exempt for the
full year. You're taxable for the full

1903
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:29,200
year. Um the second one is government
property. Uh, as Mike mentioned,

1904
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:33,359
federal, state, county, city, local
governments are exempt from taxes and

1905
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:39,040
they don't have to file applications for
that. It's automatic. Um, the exceptions

1906
02:33:37,040 --> 02:33:44,479
to that is when properties used for a
pecuniary profit, and we have plenty of

1907
02:33:41,359 --> 02:33:47,840
those examples. When cities buy a land
that they're going to use for an

1908
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:51,840
industrial park and they've got a a crop
agreement with somebody on that, it's

1909
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:54,560
taxable. the the city owns it, but they
have to pay those taxes and hopefully

1910
02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:58,080
they're getting them from the person
who's farming it. Um, you could also

1911
02:33:56,640 --> 02:34:03,200
have a building that the city owns
that's being leased uh to a for-profit

1912
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:06,000
entity. Um, the public market in Waterl
was a good example. There was a

1913
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:10,080
restaurant and a brewery in there for a
while. They were they were paying taxes

1914
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:16,960
on that even though the city owned it.
Um, when state and local governments uh

1915
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:20,800
buy taxable property midway through the
first through a through a a year that's

1916
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:25,920
being incurred, like the proration
example, um, they'll get a tax bill for

1917
02:34:23,840 --> 02:34:30,560
the full year and then they reach out uh
to the treasurer's office and we all

1918
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:34,640
work together to review those. And the
question we have for them is, did you

1919
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:38,800
collect any taxes at closing like you
were supposed to? Uh, we bought a house

1920
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:42,560
we're going to tear down. Well, uh, you
bought it in January. Did you get half

1921
02:34:40,720 --> 02:34:48,080
the year's taxes from the person you
bought it from? Um, you should have. Uh,

1922
02:34:45,200 --> 02:34:51,359
the DOT is supposed to do Well, they're
supposed to help with that. The DOT

1923
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:55,040
doesn't actually collect the prorated
taxes, but they're supposed to help us

1924
02:34:52,800 --> 02:35:00,960
collect it. I'm not sure how that really
works.

1925
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:05,920
If we're lucky, the person pays them. Um
but then um once we've worked through

1926
02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:12,160
that process, determined how much the
the cities uh should have collected in

1927
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:16,080
taxes, um and then what is legitimately
should be abated, we come to the board,

1928
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:20,399
Linda, uh the treasur's office will
bring to the board um a motion to abate

1929
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:24,720
taxes on properties that have come into
public ownership. You may remember one

1930
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:30,880
of those um from last year when
University of Northern Iowa bought a uh

1931
02:35:27,680 --> 02:35:35,040
uh $10 million apartment complex. They
bought it in January. They collected

1932
02:35:32,800 --> 02:35:39,280
taxes from the June through January
period. They remitted that check to the

1933
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:44,720
treasur's office and then asked to abate
the balance, which is what we did. So,

1934
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:49,040
um that's all I have. I'm sorry it went
long. I know it's late in the day, but

1935
02:35:46,880 --> 02:35:53,920
um all three of our offices do work
behind the scenes to provide any

1936
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:59,760
information you might need for those.
Tim, is there a place to find what is

1937
02:35:56,880 --> 02:36:05,680
the tax exempt would meet the tax exempt
um exemption or property as a nonprofit

1938
02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:11,359
or is there others are out there besides
churches or uh you know there's there's

1939
02:36:08,240 --> 02:36:17,359
ch you know any 501 churches, museums,
there's there's a huge list of what can

1940
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:22,000
be exempt in Iowa code. It's it's uh
multiple uh there's there's ones for

1941
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:26,319
wind turbines even. You don't even have
to be an exempt property. There's just,

1942
02:36:24,399 --> 02:36:30,479
as TJ knows, there's a gazillion
different exemptions out there. Um, the

1943
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:34,319
more common ones though, outside of
government ones, which would be the

1944
02:36:32,319 --> 02:36:38,240
largest category of exempt property in
our county. The more common ones are,

1945
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:43,359
uh, charitable and religious
institutions, um, which includes

1946
02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:47,040
hospitals, um, on the charitable side of
things, and then religious on the

1947
02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:53,840
churches, but you'll get like YMCA or
YW.CA. Um, and again, and I don't want

1948
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:58,479
to uh uh speak for TJ, it's just because
you're a 501c3 does not mean you're

1949
02:36:56,319 --> 02:37:05,600
taxexempt. If you're using that
property, uh if if if you're not using

1950
02:37:02,479 --> 02:37:10,160
it for an exempt purpose, you'll be
taxable. Um you'll get a tax bill. It's

1951
02:37:08,399 --> 02:37:16,000
it's not just because you're a
nonprofit.

1952
02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:21,760
If the board could uh write down one one
code number to look up, it's 427.1

1953
02:37:19,439 --> 02:37:25,920
and I kind of mentioned that earlier
that actually lists out the exemptions

1954
02:37:23,840 --> 02:37:31,280
and Tim is absolutely correct. It's a
long code section

1955
02:37:28,160 --> 02:37:36,720
and and they uh they try to explain
everything. We usually see like like he

1956
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:42,319
says, we we usually see the same ones
come up, but uh yeah, there's a lot.

1957
02:37:40,319 --> 02:37:45,840
» Okay. And typically I don't think like
say if they've come to you Paul that

1958
02:37:44,319 --> 02:37:50,000
then it's very it's a different
procedure because by then we get the

1959
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:53,600
information but these three that we've
had this year that I knew were unusual

1960
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:58,560
they all came to the supervisors first
without talking to any of you first and

1961
02:37:56,080 --> 02:38:03,920
so then it became a different
>> I think we treat the governmentowned

1962
02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:07,439
property process a little differently
because you know it's the the cities are

1963
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:10,880
getting tax bills
>> and they're reviewing those and then

1964
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:15,120
they send a
um to the treasur's office saying, "Hey,

1965
02:38:12,960 --> 02:38:19,600
we we don't think we owe taxes on this
property or this property or or you

1966
02:38:17,439 --> 02:38:23,680
know, we collected taxes and paid half
of it, so we think you should be evading

1967
02:38:21,439 --> 02:38:27,200
the rest." And so we, you know, this is
going to happen every single year on a

1968
02:38:25,439 --> 02:38:31,840
regular cadence. And so it's something
that we all look at and work with the

1969
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:35,520
cities on, you know, before Linda would
bring that motion to you. That's a lot

1970
02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:38,880
different than these tax exempt
properties where they're expected to pay

1971
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:44,880
taxes that are legally build and they
come irregularly at uh you know when

1972
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:50,640
usually around September when they see
the bill but um uh that's when they'll

1973
02:38:48,479 --> 02:38:56,479
uh I guess we don't treat those the same
way as like a regular routine situation.

1974
02:38:54,319 --> 02:38:59,479
You guys will correct me if I'm wrong,
but

1975
02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:06,000
» thank you. Well, if you have any
questions, we've got the teams in place

1976
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:10,319
obviously, but for any other time, but I
was going to say it's just great

1977
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:15,200
sometimes that they have come back with
a wealth of information that yeah, we

1978
02:39:12,240 --> 02:39:18,960
didn't have. So, thank you. Thank you
all.

1979
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:26,399
Well, we'll not going to make quite
noon, so we don't need lunch. So,

1980
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:32,640
reports for information from the board.
>> Update. Last Friday, I attended the UCCC

1981
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:38,880
uh briefing. It was down at Lynn
Countyy's building. Uh Michelle zoomed

1982
02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:45,280
in, went over the items, the list for
legislative concerns and needs for next

1983
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:51,359
year. Uh one point of discussion again
is the u cost of publishing board

1984
02:39:48,560 --> 02:39:56,880
minutes and or the thought of posting.
So um we may hear more about that coming

1985
02:39:55,200 --> 02:40:00,880
up yet in this session being one of
their issues.

1986
02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:06,880
» And I did want to remind folks uh Friday
there is another n webinar on data

1987
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:12,560
centers specifically on water issues. So
you can get signed up on that as well.

1988
02:40:10,800 --> 02:40:16,319
» Karen had contacted us. I was going to
comment on the dates that we were

1989
02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:19,760
available for that 99 county tour.
>> I did get a response if you want me to

1990
02:40:18,160 --> 02:40:22,399
share that. Well, yeah. I was going to
say, and did you get a a date for us all

1991
02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:30,399
then?
>> Yeah, just going from the responses I

1992
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:34,160
got back from the board members. Um,
from the responses I got back that both

1993
02:40:32,399 --> 02:40:38,800
dates were available. So, I sent her
that either date works. So, let me know.

1994
02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:44,800
and I actually during this board meeting
um heard back from her and so she said

1995
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:50,800
let's go with November 12th at 1 p.m.
And then the survey was a long time ago

1996
02:40:47,359 --> 02:40:54,960
but she also wants to know what um
facility that we want to use and that

1997
02:40:52,880 --> 02:41:01,920
survey we gave like I don't know three
or four different uh county options. So,

1998
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:07,040
um, we also need to just decide what
what facility if we want. I think some

1999
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:12,160
of them were using conservation
courthouse, the VA building. So, I just

2000
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:15,680
need to let them know where to meet.
>> VA.

2001
02:41:12,640 --> 02:41:18,720
» I would think VA for parking with
parking in mind so we don't have to use

2002
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:20,160
snowshoes.
>> It's available.

2003
02:41:19,680 --> 02:41:24,240
» Yeah.
>> Especially in November. Yeah. At the

2004
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:28,399
time it was this whole calendar year.
So,

2005
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:36,160
» VA Yeah. This is taken back.
>> Was that one or did you say two?

2006
02:41:30,960 --> 02:41:42,960
» November 12th at 100 p.m.
>> And we also needed a date to have the

2007
02:41:39,680 --> 02:41:48,560
work session for the budget carryover
>> and etc. That came back from the staff

2008
02:41:45,840 --> 02:41:53,600
that responded with 10. Tuesday the
September 15th Avenue had 10 afternoon

2009
02:41:51,280 --> 02:41:57,040
had 10. But what is what works for the
board? I guess too. I don't

2010
02:41:55,359 --> 02:42:02,800
» I had I was trying to read that off my
phone. I thought it was said October

2011
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:07,960
15th, not September 15th. So my response
was

2012
02:42:04,319 --> 02:42:07,960
u wrong month.

2013
02:42:08,080 --> 02:42:16,880
» So So September 15th works for me though
>> at 10 a.m.

2014
02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:19,920
» No, no, no. There were 10 people
the afternoon of that day worked

2015
02:42:19,280 --> 02:42:24,080
» done
>> for that work session.

2016
02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:31,200
So that doesn't mean it works with
everybody here.

2017
02:42:25,680 --> 02:42:35,760
» I do have um call scheduled at 1 1:30 to
2:30 probably that afternoon.

2018
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:39,760
» Does
>> you want to do three?

2019
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:44,080
» Three.
>> Is it three work?

2020
02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:46,720
» I'm completely open. I'm flexible.
>> Yep.

2021
02:42:44,720 --> 02:42:50,960
» Three o'clock is fine. That's good. Keep
it roughly hour is good. Yeah.

2022
02:42:49,359 --> 02:42:55,120
» Yes.
Yep. Okay.

2023
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:59,280
» Al, did I know you had sent an email
about

2024
02:42:57,200 --> 02:43:00,880
that downstairs
room

2025
02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:03,920
» being available?
>> Will that be available on the 15th? Do

2026
02:43:02,960 --> 02:43:07,120
we think at 3?
>> We can still use it for We just need to

2027
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:10,560
book it. We can still use it for the
meeting. It'll just be the old camera

2028
02:43:09,120 --> 02:43:13,560
angle from Yeah.
>> Okay.

2029
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:19,840
» Okay. And we've got I think the
presentations for the action committee

2030
02:43:17,439 --> 02:43:26,560
is next on the 15th, too. So that's in
the morning. Okay. 3:00 on the 15th.

2031
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:30,399
Gotcha. Thank you. That's all.
So nothing else.

2032
02:43:29,439 --> 02:43:31,840
» Motion for adjournment.
>> Some moved.

2033
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:34,080
» Second.
>> All in favor?

2034
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:40,319
» I
>> I

2035
02:43:35,200 --> 02:43:40,319
» meetings. We almost almost made it.