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oh thank you

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thank you

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foreign

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one nation under God indivisible with

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liberty and justice for all you remain

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standing for a moment of silence

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remember those are four souls who've

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lost in Texas

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thank you emergency

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job well done

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it was excellent thank you

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um ethic statements in accordance with

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the code of ethics adopted by the

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council all council members have a duty

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to conduct the Affairs of the governing

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body and an open and public matter free

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of conflicts of interest

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is there any item on the agenda the

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outcome of which we'll have a direct

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substantial readily identifiable

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Financial impact for any member kids or

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her family or close business

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associations

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there is for me whenever we discuss

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um the town property off of E Street

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does Indiana member have a financial

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interest in any public contract coming

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before the contract Council day

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not here again there being none all

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board members of a duty and obligation

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to vote

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it will now help see this in the

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comments

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first up Lynn Swann

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yes right here remember we have three

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minutes yes sir

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I'm here to address the recreation in

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Parks budget

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the recent notice on Facebook by Nathan

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West caught my attention because the

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items scheduled for attention in the

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wreck and park budget plan being

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presented do not address much needed

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maintenance and Improvement issues that

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need current attention at Lake Tomahawk

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the drain pipe that was used to connect

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drainage for the new ecosystem water

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retention pond

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is stopped up

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not the town nor the crew installing the

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retention Pond took the time or effort

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to unstop that pipe

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while I'm on the subject of rainwater

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runoff

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the rain drains down from the upper

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level of the parking lot at the pool

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house and Crosses that drain that I just

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mentioned but it goes straight down the

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middle of the paved access and then it

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runs into the lake there or it comes out

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onto the walking path and pools there on

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the walking trail

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another issue regarding money allocation

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for wrecks and Parks as it also relates

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to storm water issues

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the concrete landing at the bottom of

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the pool stairs in front of the pool

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house

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needs a drain

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when it rains the water stands at the

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bottom of those steps at about two

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inches deep and that makes it

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inaccessible for people to get to the

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handicapped ramp or climb the stairs

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um just a couple other matters of

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attention one of the pillars in front of

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the clubhouse those beautiful brick

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pillars has some brick pieces missing

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and the clubhouse needs to be painted

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and maintained

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and it would really benefit it as a

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profit center for the clubhouse to have

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new windows with blinds built in that

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can be safely opened and closed upstairs

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in the clubhouse that would make it more

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comfortable and attractive venue for the

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renters as well as for the folks who

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attend there daily especially the senior

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center citizens thank you very much

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uh Ruth Peter

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on solar power on the use of current

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money for solar power providers

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208 Central Avenue good thank you

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um in 2015 I built a 600 square foot

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house on Central Avenue on a tiny lot

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with a storm water easement and I chose

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to complete that dedication to

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environmental action by using the five

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solar incentives that were available to

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me uh before the year 2016.

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uh I've been dedicated to solar power

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and Sustainable Building since my grade

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school years and that's a while so I

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stretched financially to incorporate

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solar in my plan because of the

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incentives and the timing

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thanks to that stretch and choice I pay

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no electric bill and then all electric

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house except the Duke power grid use fee

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which was eight dollars then has doubled

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in the eight years since and will double

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yet again in 2025 with net metering

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added as a result of the current

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Utilities Commission ruling so my

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electricity is not free even though I

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have I don't pay for it

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still using the money existing money

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that was available to you to me was a

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very smart choice

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because it has done nothing but go up

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since I put it in

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electricity will be more and more

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expensive the time to incorporate solar

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is now

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and the choice is the right choice

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whose time it has come also with more

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and more Citizen and governmental

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support and use of solar power the

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voices for electric non-polluting power

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linked to Social Power

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uh become more effective also the town

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has a chance to lead by example and to

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do the smart thing even though it's

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expensive at the right time

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thank you I appreciate it thank you very

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much for what you do on Wednesday

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afternoon to Town Square

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Karen Austin

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good evening

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my name is Karen Austin I'm a long time

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member of

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excuse me your dress oh I actually live

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in Nebo but I've been a member of Black

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Mountain Presbyterian church since 1962.

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very good I grew up in Black Mountain

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and lived there until about five years

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ago

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still active in the church and as such I

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am the leader of the church's Earth care

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team

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I'm speaking tonight on behalf of that

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team as well as just from my own heart

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this spring our team held a study of

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this book right here

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IT addresses having difficult

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conversations about a very difficult

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issue and that is climate change

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there were over 60 people who attended

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weekly meetings over the course of five

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weeks each once a week for five weeks we

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had 60 people who showed up to read this

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book and discuss the idea of having

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those conversations about climate change

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we'd like to share this resource with

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you because we think you might benefit

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from that and we have copies for each of

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you that we'll give to you later on

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tonight I would like to urge you to

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consider fast tracking solar

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installations because it's the right

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thing to do and it's the smart thing to

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do if you're spending other people's

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money

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we recently read in the Black Mountain

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news about budgeting plans that include

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renovations to several Parks and Rec

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properties

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those Renovations are necessary and they

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will benefit a lot of Black Mountain

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residents

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but moving to solar power is a pressing

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issue it will benefit every citizen in

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Black Mountain regardless of their age

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or their gender or their social class we

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feel this must be a priority

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to the group that's behind me if you're

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here to support black Mountain's move to

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solar power please stand up

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thank you

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next Gene Franklin

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good evening I'm Gene Franklin I live at

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108 Connolly Street in walking distance

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of here

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and I want to refer to two newspaper

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articles and I'm here to support more

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solar panels going up quickly first an

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article in the Asheville citizen times

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on March 3rd said humans around the

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world emitted more CO2 in 2022 than in

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any other year on record a result of air

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travel rebounding from the pandemic and

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more countries turning to low-cost coal

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however embedded in that article there's

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good news increased deployment of

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renewable energy electric vehicles and

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heat pumps helped prevent an additional

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550 megatons of CO2 emissions without

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clean energy

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the growth in CO2 emissions would have

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been nearly three times as high

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now that is actually encouraging we

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humans are helping we are finally

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getting up enough solar panels and heat

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pumps and EVS that that we're making an

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impact but we need to do more faster we

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need to see a headline next year that

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says humans emitted less CO2

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another article in the Black Mountain

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news that I think Karen just referenced

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said our town has 100 1 million 119 200

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remaining from American Rescue plan act

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funds

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it says that the Town Council met on

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April 19th and gave a cons as I

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understand it a consensus of what 11

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items to budget for good things like

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parking restrooms replacing the Gazebo

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creating a sidewalk

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um and so on all Necessary Things

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then it said Council will look at

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installing solar panels at a later date

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panels on one town owned building will

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cost two hundred thousand dollars that's

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still the article that I'm referring to

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and we would like to suggest that the

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building that uses the most electricity

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would get the panels

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then at the end of the article it said

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these decisions are not final

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citizens will have an opportunity to

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weigh in on any of this as we go through

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the budget process

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so here's what I would like to well

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first of all with great appreciation for

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you and the job you do and the things

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you've already done I believe the town

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is responsible for the panels on the

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Carver Center and the EV Chargers around

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town and things I don't even know

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but my request is please move solar

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panels to the to a top urgent position

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on the list the faster we attack this

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climate problem the better

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please make sure that the public knows

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when these panels will be discussed

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through the Black Mountain news and

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Valley echo or whatever uh

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things on Facebook or whatever because

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I'm one of these people that wakes up

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and finds out I missed the meeting and

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didn't know I have to interrupt you

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there in three minutes there please okay

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I'm actually finished okay well thank

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you thank you for your time and service

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Elizabeth Swann

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thank you for allowing me to speak this

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evening and my subject is parking at the

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Lakeview Center I have a co-lated the

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package before you and it says the um

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copies attached

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the one with the parking shows Cragmont

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Park allocated 45

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000 for additional parking that's below

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the dam there uh the center which is for

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the seniors has limited parking space

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and with the summer visitors coming into

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our beautiful Lake and that is a great

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thing however Memorial Day weekend is

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coming up and the pool will be opening

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to the public at that time parking for

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seniors are very very limited uh the lot

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at the Pavilion and the tennis courts

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are usually full and the distance is not

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at all favorable for seniors

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our seniors some have fiscal

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disabilities they use canes Walkers and

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sometimes wheelchairs will not have a

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convenient parking space so I am

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recommending that the parking there at

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the pool side be allocated for seniors

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only and a lot down next to the tennis

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court and the Pavilion be allocated for

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the pool parking

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so or build us a new parking lot

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so thank you very much

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and the attached shows

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the activities that goes on at the

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center we're open from nine till late in

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the afternoon so the senior center is

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very active

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and you're all welcome to come and join

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us for lunch someday thank you very much

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Sean Sloan

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um Sean Sloan 115 Third Street Black

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Mountain

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here representing the community garden

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um to um thank you for your considered

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support for building a new structure and

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having a proposal to fund some of it

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perfectly understandable that that was

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not going to

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um

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take care of any business

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with finale finality

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um

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I need to start my timer

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shoot never mind

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um anyway

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um I wanted to clear up a misconception

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which is that I think the Town Council

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thinks that the supporters of a new

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structure at the

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community garden the expect the town to

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pay for the structure and that is just

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not the case we first and foremost need

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permission to seek to explore the

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possibility of building a structure and

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we can't do that without an affirmative

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something from the Town Council to say

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yes we approve of the concept

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you may spend money or raise money to

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propose an uh a structure that we can

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consider and how you're going to fund it

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but without some of affirmation from the

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council we can't do anything

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um and so I just wanted to make that

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point

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um and the other thing is in terms of if

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you are in support of the structure then

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how is it going to get built right I

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mean there is the arpa funds but before

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anything happens

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you'll have to have a master plan done

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because that is where we can go to

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funders to

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corporate sponsors and people that we

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can name you know facilities after to uh

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to fund privately the structure and so

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before anything really materially can

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happen that site plan has to be done the

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master site plan for the building and

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the quote from the mcgillin company was

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fifty thousand dollars and that's a lot

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of money and I'm told it can be done for

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a lot less but wouldn't it be lovely to

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have an idea of a new structure in town

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that would enhance the give something

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new to come out of the arpa fund

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something that people can look forward

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to and so I'm asking for you to consider

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funding for the master site plan in

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which case then we can start seeking

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funding for it from corporations from

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Grants and so on I think it's a sensible

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proposal and barring that

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um I'd welcome any other path that you

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see to getting the thing out of the

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ground we're not asking for hundreds of

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thousands of dollars we're simply asking

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for a clear path forward and hopefully

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to use some of the arpa funds to get it

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started thank you

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next Robin Style

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okay

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I'm Robin Stiles I live at 206 Central

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Avenue in Black Mountain and I'm also a

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member of the earth care team at Black

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Mountain Presbyterian Church

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I encourage you to put the solar panels

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up sooner rather than later

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and I'd want to I want to tell you about

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00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:37,860
our experience with panels in 2016 we

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put solar panels on the roof of our

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newly built house primarily because we

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care deeply about the Earth

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00:31:45,059 --> 00:31:48,120
instead of using coal and fracked gas we

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wanted to use the free and harmless

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energy of the sun to generate our

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household power

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00:31:53,059 --> 00:31:55,860
since installing the panels we have paid

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only the 16 fee it probably was eight

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00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,399
dollars as Ruth said when we started to

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be connected to the grid our electric usage bill

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00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:13,020
since December of 16 has been zero

401
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we have solved we have saved the

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approximately one hundred dollars a

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month

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which is the average for a house our

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00:32:21,179 --> 00:32:23,399
size and that figure comes from a survey

406
00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:25,440
of our neighbors whose houses are about

407
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,200
the same size as ours which a

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00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,720
representative at Duke agrees is the

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best way to calculate the monthly

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00:32:32,460 --> 00:32:34,860
consumption she couldn't do it unless

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she had an address

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so she said that was a good way that

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means that within 10 years we will have

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00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:45,419
paid off the cost of our panels

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00:32:45,419 --> 00:32:47,820
and paid nothing

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00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:51,179
and electricity charges I urge you to

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00:32:51,179 --> 00:32:53,340
put the solar panel purchase among your

418
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:55,799
top priority items for the same reasons

419
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:57,000
that we did

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you care about the Earth

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you'll be using clean energy and you'll

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save the town's money in the long run

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00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:07,200
plus it's a giant step toward becoming

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the greenest little town in North

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Carolina

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thank you very good thank you and thank

427
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:18,769
you for the books you're welcome

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00:33:18,779 --> 00:33:24,950
Barbara Gaul

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foreign

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Fairway Drive here in Black Mountain

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00:33:31,740 --> 00:33:33,539
and I have just joined the Black

432
00:33:33,539 --> 00:33:35,340
Mountain Presbyterian Church earthcare

433
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:39,059
team the climate book is a book written

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00:33:39,059 --> 00:33:41,100
by Greta thurnberg

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00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:43,620
a world-renowned activist from

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00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:47,340
Switzerland at age 20 she has addressed

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00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:50,460
climate rallies across the globe

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00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:53,059
she states in her book and I quote

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despite dire warnings in the 1980s and

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00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,500
in the 1990s we have emitted more CO2

441
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:06,000
carbon dioxide since 1991 than in the

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00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,339
rest of human history

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00:34:08,339 --> 00:34:12,480
I repeat despite dire warnings in the

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00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,320
1980s and 1990s we have emitted more CO2

445
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,679
carbon dioxide since 1991 than in the

446
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,540
rest of human history

447
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:27,720
if we do our part we can help prevent a

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00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,300
severe catastrophe from happening in the

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00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:34,679
year 2030. please put solar panels on

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00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:37,379
another town building we thank you for

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00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:40,919
your service and your concern in this

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00:34:40,919 --> 00:34:42,419
urgent matter

453
00:34:42,419 --> 00:34:47,990
thank you thank you

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00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:57,910
next Rick early

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00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,839
I'm Rick early I live at 107 Oakland

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00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:03,500
Drive in Black Mountain

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00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:08,160
5.4 million dollars congratulations

458
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,720
Council

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00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,359
and staff anybody know what I'm talking

460
00:35:12,359 --> 00:35:13,500
about

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00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:16,740
stormwater Grant a storm water grant for

462
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,440
5.4 million hats off

463
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,960
thank you very much great job you know

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00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,020
there's a butt coming I can feel it last

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00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:26,760
year's budget for

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00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,140
utility fees is 355 thousand dollars

467
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:34,460
that's 15 years 5.4 million is 15 years

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00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:38,040
of storm water utility fee collections

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00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,760
the budget the last two years is 800 and

470
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,579
some thousand and there's about 500 000

471
00:35:44,579 --> 00:35:47,579
that's not spent so you kind of got 5.4

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00:35:47,579 --> 00:35:50,280
plus half a million almost got six

473
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,800
hundred thousand dollars in the bank

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00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,079
I would ask the council to seriously

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00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:57,720
consider helping out

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00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,760
the property owners in Black Mountain

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00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,359
give them some Financial relief and

478
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:06,180
suspend the collection of the storm

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00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:09,540
water utility fee at least until four or

480
00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:11,880
five million of that has been spent

481
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,400
thank you very much

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00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,270
thank you Rick

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00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,380
Jim Snyder

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00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:23,690
okay

485
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,119
uh last Ruth scherberg

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00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:31,329
Shepherd

487
00:36:31,339 --> 00:36:34,500
Ruth Shivers I live at 140 North Fork

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00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:35,880
Road in Black Mountain

489
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,740
good evening and thank you for giving me

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00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:40,200
time to express my concerns about a new

491
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,240
multi-housing development on the border

492
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,300
of our property at 140 North Fork Road

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00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:47,640
because growth doesn't pay for itself to

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what degree are we willing to sacrifice

495
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:52,260
for it my husband and I have several

496
00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:53,940
concerns regarding this rezone

497
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:56,880
multi-housing development our concerns

498
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,859
include runoff onto our property

499
00:36:58,859 --> 00:37:01,020
increased traffic on North Fork Road

500
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:03,420
disturbing the ecosystem of the nearby

501
00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:05,579
woods and the continual building of

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00:37:05,579 --> 00:37:08,220
expensive housing that is unaffordable

503
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:10,740
to many of those from our community

504
00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:12,660
on our property we have invested

505
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:14,339
thousands of dollars for water

506
00:37:14,339 --> 00:37:16,040
mitigation

507
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,240
upsetting the natural lay of the land

508
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,640
from new construction may cause more

509
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,880
runoff problems for us and more expense

510
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,560
traffic on North Fork Road has increased

511
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,420
significantly over the past few years

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00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:29,700
and this two-lane road is not set up for

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00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:32,339
the increased traffic and speed that

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00:37:32,339 --> 00:37:34,140
drivers use on the final stretch near

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Montreat Road

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00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,980
while land ownership is a privilege and

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00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:39,960
capitalistic Venture it also comes with

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00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,240
responsibility some known factors of

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00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,280
being responsible landowners in our area

520
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,400
include preserving nature maintaining

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00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,320
the Integrity of the community

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00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,660
I'd like to add a third idea providing

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00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:53,520
housing that is Affordable to families

524
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,220
in our in order not to create a divided

525
00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:57,540
class system

526
00:37:57,540 --> 00:37:59,579
many families cannot afford to live in

527
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:01,740
Black Mountain and with the prices of

528
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:04,440
houses in our town this development will

529
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,359
be yet another example of expensive

530
00:38:06,359 --> 00:38:09,359
housing for select buyers while some may

531
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:10,859
Define a prosperous town to be

532
00:38:10,859 --> 00:38:13,619
additional citizens and businesses that

533
00:38:13,619 --> 00:38:15,599
bring in more revenue and property taxes

534
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,520
to benefit the town war is not always

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00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,480
better

536
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,339
the working class residents of Black

537
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:21,839
Mountain are the ones who feel the

538
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:24,540
impact of this ongoing development many

539
00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:26,640
working-class individuals are directly

540
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,560
affected by not being able to afford

541
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,420
housing to live in this town yet they

542
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:32,400
are contributing to the success of Black

543
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,540
Mountain

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00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:35,460
the new surge in Housing Development

545
00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:37,260
over the past few years has meant

546
00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:39,540
significantly more traffic

547
00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:41,940
congested local restaurants with limited

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00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:44,820
serving staff and also a decline in our

549
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:47,280
local school enrollment I say this

550
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,839
because I'm currently a teacher at Black

551
00:38:48,839 --> 00:38:51,000
Mountain Elementary have been a teacher

552
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,640
in Owen district for 17 of my 22 years

553
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,099
and I've witnessed a decline in

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00:38:56,099 --> 00:38:58,920
enrollment and teaching positions and I

555
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,660
have some data and I'll be glad to share

556
00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,060
with you Black Mountain Elementary we

557
00:39:03,060 --> 00:39:06,000
currently have 147 students

558
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,079
in 2018 we had 224.

559
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,980
our schools are suffering and it's the

560
00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:16,700
effect of the High Cost of Living

561
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:21,480
The increased housing prices I just do

562
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,420
not feel that this

563
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:27,000
development at chinkapin is where it's

564
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,599
located the rezoning of it into another

565
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,740
Housing Development it's not necessary

566
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:37,020
we're not growing Our Town we're not

567
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:39,000
supporting our schools appreciate it

568
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,650
okay

569
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all right let's includes the first

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citizen comment of course there's

571
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,940
another section so there's a comment

572
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:51,240
later on in the NVM meeting

573
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,560
uh so Josh I will leave this please

574
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,780
sure so Mr Mayor we have communications

575
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from staff Council commissions and

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agencies and first up would be our

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00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:03,480
communication committee annual report

578
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:13,069
s

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thank you for the opportunity to share

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00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:17,520
with you tonight I'm Tucky Folkers the

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co-chair of the beautification committee

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and I'm here to tell you a bit about

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some of last year's accomplishments and

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00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:30,470
our hopes and goals for next year

585
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,060
23 years ago Willie Headley LED an

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initiative that became the

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00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,500
beautification committee our mission is

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00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,920
to honor the natural beauty around us by

589
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,260
maintaining our 53 containers Town

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Square 27 Garden sites and by sponsoring

591
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:49,619
community events

592
00:40:49,619 --> 00:40:51,920
we have an executive board of four

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00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,500
committees subcommittees people who

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assume responsibility for all the garden

595
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,900
sites and containers and a swarm of

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00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:04,450
worker bees

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00:41:04,460 --> 00:41:09,060
in 2016 the committee adopted a goal to

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provide a consistent look for honoring

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00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,220
nature in the historic downtown by

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00:41:14,220 --> 00:41:16,579
installing wooden containers with

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00:41:16,579 --> 00:41:20,160
hand-crafted metal details now several

602
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,900
of those seven-year-old containers need

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00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,320
repair Winter delayed completion of the

604
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,200
project but the 53 will soon be

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00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,800
refurbished and replanted

606
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,680
Bob Headley generously donated partial

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00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,140
funds for adding Stone steps to Town

608
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:39,859
Square and Public Works installed them

609
00:41:39,859 --> 00:41:42,540
maintenance and planting continue in the

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square with monthly weeding and seasonal

611
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:48,300
pruning workdays and arborist has

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00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,760
volunteered his services for the

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00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,740
majority of tree trimming

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00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:55,320
that needs to be done but for the larger

615
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,839
job of trimming the three big oak trees

616
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:00,599
we'll be paying for the service he will

617
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,940
also root prune a bald cypress that

618
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:05,040
threatens to break up the cement

619
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,140
sidewalk

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00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:09,480
under the capable and untiring

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00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,400
Leadership of Pat and Carl rickenbach

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00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,900
this has been a big year for revamping

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00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:18,420
maintaining and enhancing the 27 Garden

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00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:21,540
sites this year we completed one of our

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00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:24,720
largest sites the welcome site by Oli

626
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:28,380
guacamole's is 60 feet long

627
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:31,020
Harwood Funeral Home donated a granite

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00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:33,300
bench to the site and we're currently

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00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,180
working with the town to incorporate a

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00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:40,020
sidewalk which will bifurcate the site

631
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:42,839
we've also worked to solve some sight

632
00:42:42,839 --> 00:42:46,140
problems this year we removed junipers

633
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:48,599
and invasive weeds and installed new

634
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:52,140
plantings and landscape timbers in the

635
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:54,240
love parking lot

636
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:57,119
Hawaiian walk which was formerly a

637
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:58,980
one-way gravel road down from Cherry

638
00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:02,760
Street also had site problems the garden

639
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,160
next to The Veranda is now nicely

640
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,920
planted to implement that complement the

641
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,440
narrow area the garden site next to

642
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,700
Europa is temporarily bare in order to

643
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:19,319
handle future building maintenance

644
00:43:19,319 --> 00:43:21,300
this

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00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,420
beautiful new stone path below the

646
00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:27,599
museum and arts center was installed by

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00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,720
Public Works who then installed stones

648
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,660
on the lower slope of the hill to help

649
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:36,420
control erosion and to create a native

650
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:39,240
plant area

651
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,940
now this Garden you may recall because

652
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:44,700
it had leaning rotten Timbers that were

653
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:47,520
oozing down onto the sidewalk well now

654
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,319
it's been totally redone

655
00:43:49,319 --> 00:43:52,319
Pat and Carr removed trellises and

656
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:55,980
plants and stored them for reuse then

657
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:58,500
Public Works replaced the Timbers with

658
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:00,180
pressure treated wood

659
00:44:00,180 --> 00:44:02,700
after Hansen's completes its wall

660
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,819
repairs and its painting the trellises

661
00:44:05,819 --> 00:44:08,880
and plants will be reinstalled

662
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,420
Publix works next installed a raised bed

663
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:14,339
garden which you see on the slide to the

664
00:44:14,339 --> 00:44:16,920
left to give an open view to the store

665
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,060
and to complement the wall Garden

666
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:24,000
the chamber Garden is a very large site

667
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,220
which we've divided into six separate

668
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:28,920
sites because of its immensity it was

669
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,560
overgrown and it obscured the

670
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,020
informational signage that was there

671
00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:36,800
the chamber sidewalk Garden was

672
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,880
re-landscaped with help from Public

673
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,400
Works the view of the visitors center

674
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,619
from the front sidewalk has opened up

675
00:44:43,619 --> 00:44:47,690
and we think it's beautiful

676
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:52,619
Thorny Rose bushes used to be a thorn

677
00:44:52,619 --> 00:44:55,140
for people who like to sit on that wall

678
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:58,560
and take a hike they were removed and

679
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,720
plantings suitable for the site were

680
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,640
planted making the view of the garden

681
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,300
pleasing from both the street and the

682
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,290
parking lot

683
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,119
a major renovation of town hall Gardens

684
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,819
was one of our goals for 2022 and was

685
00:45:14,819 --> 00:45:18,119
completed in September Yale bromer led

686
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:19,800
the effort with support from Public

687
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,240
Works members dug in 32 shrubs and trees

688
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,300
along with countless perennials as

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00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:29,760
you've been hearing Public Works is

690
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,740
great support for all of our projects

691
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:35,690
and we truly appreciate them

692
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:39,119
in Fall we decorate with hay bales corn

693
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,339
stalks thank you mayor

694
00:45:41,339 --> 00:45:43,819
pumpkins a large spider

695
00:45:43,819 --> 00:45:46,680
scarecrows this year we added an

696
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,200
illuminated ghost

697
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,000
the primary school kids and teachers

698
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,020
made 17 flying ghosts

699
00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:58,079
kid quests and after school program at

700
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,960
the United Methodist Church made for fun

701
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,480
crows a less scary term for scarecrows

702
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,000
the day before Holly Jolly we decked the

703
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,760
four welcome signs in town square with

704
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Greenery and Bows to bring the spirit of

705
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,990
the holidays into the community

706
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,700
our biggest fundraiser of the year is

707
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:22,800
the Black Mountain Garden sale held in

708
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,480
the lower parking lot of town square

709
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,920
this year on May 19 and 20. Ronan Jones

710
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,440
chairs this event and says this year

711
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,619
it'll be bigger and better than ever

712
00:46:33,619 --> 00:46:36,960
we've enlarged the space to accommodate

713
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,319
24 vendors bringing flowers Specialty

714
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:42,780
Plants and Decor we'll have a member's

715
00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:45,780
market highlighting talented members who

716
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:49,380
donate their items and wonderful baked

717
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:52,380
goods for a bake sale

718
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:55,400
we had a successful fundraising but also

719
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,520
fundraising event at sourwood Festival

720
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,680
recruiting new members and showcasing

721
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,900
our good works for the benefits of the

722
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:05,760
town

723
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,880
Lori pasano obtained a truckload of

724
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,280
reefs and Gardens for sale to local

725
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,819
customers and for decorating the town

726
00:47:14,819 --> 00:47:19,910
and the tailgate Market

727
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,400
there we go whoa

728
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:31,010
what happened to the tailgate Market

729
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:32,339
well anyway

730
00:47:32,339 --> 00:47:35,700
the tailgate Market offered a space last

731
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:37,800
fall to sell plants from our Gardens

732
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,440
plants were donated by painters

733
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,740
Greenhouse also and Specialty azaleas

734
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:46,680
from local grower Andy Whipple we sold

735
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,140
them all at bargain prices that was the

736
00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:51,359
slide showing a bargain price for a

737
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,640
wonderful plant

738
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,540
with these fundraising opportunities the

739
00:47:57,540 --> 00:47:59,579
garden sale The Greenery sale the pop-up

740
00:47:59,579 --> 00:48:01,260
sale in sourwood

741
00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:04,440
we provide support for two Community

742
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,079
award programs

743
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:09,960
the community Improvement award is a new

744
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,900
program launched last year and developed

745
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:16,020
by Rhonda Reedy the award identifies

746
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:19,500
business and Residential Properties that

747
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,440
are well maintained pretty and have

748
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,900
recently made Landscaping improvements

749
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:28,140
we've given fifty dollar Awards to four

750
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:32,119
businesses and two residents

751
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,460
the seed money award helps local

752
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:37,920
businesses churches and neighborhoods

753
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,140
kick off their own beautification

754
00:48:40,140 --> 00:48:43,859
projects this year's winners are Black

755
00:48:43,859 --> 00:48:47,099
Mountain neuro Treatment Center Black

756
00:48:47,099 --> 00:48:50,040
Mountain Primary School the open oven

757
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,220
Cafe and the Swannanoa Valley Christian

758
00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:56,220
Ministry Hope For Tomorrow programs I

759
00:48:56,220 --> 00:48:59,099
had to write that down

760
00:48:59,099 --> 00:49:01,920
deck the trees is another example of our

761
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,500
involvement in the community thanks to

762
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,020
all who voted for trees this year as

763
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:10,079
that raises funds for the svcm heating

764
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,119
fund

765
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,579
the April spring litter sweep was well

766
00:49:14,579 --> 00:49:18,020
attended 70 people 10 organizations

767
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:22,020
collected 30 bags of trash we'll do the

768
00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:23,579
sweep again in the fall

769
00:49:23,579 --> 00:49:26,040
at the sweep we also had an educational

770
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:31,010
Earth Day recycling awareness table

771
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:34,680
each year we establish goals to either

772
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,020
complement existing programs or

773
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:39,540
strengthen the committee in general the

774
00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:43,380
goals from 2023 are the following to

775
00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:45,240
work with Public Works to maintain the

776
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:48,240
trees on Cherry and Broadway to instill

777
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,359
plant tags to identify species in Town

778
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:54,960
Square and to work with Merchants to

779
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,260
clean up debris in order to have a

780
00:49:58,260 --> 00:50:02,750
cleaner prettier town

781
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,160
these projects of course cannot be done

782
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,800
without your financial support and your

783
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,200
partnership we applied to the town

784
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,480
through the funding application for the

785
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,660
fiscal year 2024 for fourteen thousand

786
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:18,599
dollars the requested funds will be used

787
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:21,420
for the things listed the garden sites

788
00:50:21,420 --> 00:50:22,920
the Town Square

789
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,079
the plant containers and special

790
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:27,420
projects goals and garden Renovations

791
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:32,030
such as the renovation at Town Hall

792
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,680
the beautification committee supports

793
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,520
and advances the town's comprehensive

794
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,780
plan in many ways for example six of our

795
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:46,200
projects goals or hopes

796
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,020
address the towns livable and walkable

797
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:51,240
goals

798
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,160
maintaining gateways and historical

799
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,260
sites consistent plant containers

800
00:50:55,260 --> 00:51:00,470
Community Awards

801
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,780
the use of Art in the garden sites such

802
00:51:03,780 --> 00:51:05,460
as the murals on the Cherry Street

803
00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:09,359
restroom such as the well next to the

804
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:13,500
well house that Joyce blackwoods

805
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:16,559
beautifully Drew

806
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,780
four of them support the green and

807
00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:21,420
resilient goals we're trying to repair

808
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:23,640
and maintain the rain Garden behind the

809
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,040
museum trying to promote the use of

810
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,819
native plants limiter and and eliminate

811
00:51:29,819 --> 00:51:32,040
invasive plant species in our garden

812
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,859
sites and educate about the use of

813
00:51:34,859 --> 00:51:39,549
recyclable products during litter sweeps

814
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:42,839
we're all feeling that we're a part of

815
00:51:42,839 --> 00:51:45,540
Black Mountain and we enjoy working with

816
00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:48,059
you the town departments and the

817
00:51:48,059 --> 00:51:51,359
community with the goal of making our

818
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:53,760
town one of the best small towns in

819
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,900
America

820
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:56,819
thank you for your support over the

821
00:51:56,819 --> 00:51:59,220
years we look forward to working with

822
00:51:59,220 --> 00:52:02,990
you for many years to come

823
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:09,049
you do a wonderful job

824
00:52:09,059 --> 00:52:13,910
thank you thank you very much

825
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,020
once you've got Josh Anderson with the

826
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:24,890
Parks and Recreation annual report

827
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:26,819
all right good evening

828
00:52:26,819 --> 00:52:30,660
um so our 2022 annual report give you

829
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:33,540
some data here

830
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:34,920
um just kind of go over our mission a

831
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,180
little bit hopefully at the end of this

832
00:52:36,180 --> 00:52:37,740
presentation you'll be able to see how

833
00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:40,079
we're meeting that but what we do is to

834
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:41,579
provide community-based Recreation

835
00:52:41,579 --> 00:52:43,559
programs Wellness facilities and

836
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,599
services to the citizens of Black

837
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,579
Mountain

838
00:52:47,579 --> 00:52:49,859
so I want to talk a little bit about our

839
00:52:49,859 --> 00:52:51,839
reach oftentimes people will ask well

840
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:52,920
how you know how are you getting your

841
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,300
word out or we haven't seen things

842
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:55,980
posted or you know how are you getting

843
00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:57,839
information distributed so I want to

844
00:52:57,839 --> 00:52:59,119
kind of go over that a little bit

845
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:02,280
obviously we have a pretty heavy uh

846
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,140
internet and social media presence you

847
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:06,359
can see some of the the data there from

848
00:53:06,359 --> 00:53:08,520
Facebook Instagram and also our website

849
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,020
I know we we rolled out a new town

850
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:11,160
website

851
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,140
a few years ago and where we've got a

852
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:14,780
group together now that's working on

853
00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:17,700
making some edits to that but you can

854
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:19,559
see there the people who are visiting

855
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,660
the pages on our website and the

856
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:23,460
subscribers to the website and then down

857
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:25,020
at the bottom it just kind of talks

858
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:27,300
about some of the local news outlets

859
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:30,119
that we utilize to promote a lot of the

860
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:33,530
programs and things that we're doing

861
00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:35,880
uh moving to events uh these are the

862
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,980
events that we did in 2022 and just kind

863
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:40,079
of give you an idea of who showed up to

864
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,599
those as far as numbers are concerned

865
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:44,819
the one thing that kind of stands out

866
00:53:44,819 --> 00:53:46,920
um 2022 was the second year that we did

867
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,359
our pumpkin post which is a

868
00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:50,700
collaboration between the community

869
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:53,160
garden and our department which was

870
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,020
traditionally a Halloween event and we felt like we just wanted to get away

871
00:53:58,020 --> 00:54:00,059
from handing out candy to kids because

872
00:54:00,059 --> 00:54:02,760
everybody else is doing that and um we

873
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,319
had a we had a low turnout this year

874
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:06,000
because it poured down rain but you can

875
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,380
see the numbers there from some of the

876
00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:09,780
other events that we had

877
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:12,119
our youth sports program

878
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:12,960
um

879
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,760
the biggest thing here is our outdoor

880
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,800
soccer season this was a program that we

881
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,260
developed in 2021 as a result of covid

882
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:22,200
which became heavily popular to which we

883
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,780
developed two seasons so you can see the

884
00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:26,460
numbers there with the participants for

885
00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:29,700
those programs indoor soccer and youth

886
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:31,740
swim league being two of the largest

887
00:54:31,740 --> 00:54:35,870
along with outdoor soccer

888
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,800
our outdoor programs is a really

889
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,780
successful program that we have this was

890
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:42,300
also a covid project that we started in

891
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:44,339
2021

892
00:54:44,339 --> 00:54:46,920
um so this was our our 2022 was our

893
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,660
second season of doing outdoor programs

894
00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:51,059
uh all these programs are capped at 15

895
00:54:51,059 --> 00:54:53,099
people because most of them are hikes

896
00:54:53,099 --> 00:54:54,839
and small group activities and you can

897
00:54:54,839 --> 00:54:57,000
see uh the numbers there they continue

898
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,579
to grow we're doing a lot of new things

899
00:54:59,579 --> 00:55:01,319
some of the new things that we're

900
00:55:01,319 --> 00:55:02,760
starting is some trail building we're

901
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,680
going to be doing some foraging hikes

902
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:05,880
we've partnered with some organizations

903
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,040
to teach about native plants mushrooms

904
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,540
things of that nature so that'll be

905
00:55:09,540 --> 00:55:12,359
coming up this year

906
00:55:12,359 --> 00:55:15,480
and then moving on to the pool these are

907
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,240
the pool numbers from last year again uh

908
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,940
pool is always very popular

909
00:55:20,940 --> 00:55:21,559
um

910
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:25,200
2022 in 2021 we had large numbers at the

911
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,780
pool because the Buncombe Buncombe

912
00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:29,940
County Pool and Owen was closed so this

913
00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:31,380
year it did drop off a little bit

914
00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:35,520
because with that pool being open some people chose to go there instead of

915
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,990
Black Mountain

916
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,920
summer camps we do two summer camps we

917
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,079
have our Black Mountain summer camp

918
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:45,780
which we held last year

919
00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:47,160
um just to kind of give you an idea

920
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,859
there a lot of what they do is off-site

921
00:55:49,859 --> 00:55:51,480
we do a lot of things on site but they

922
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,859
are out and about and they are getting

923
00:55:52,859 --> 00:55:55,920
after it uh in the community field trips

924
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,359
arts and crafts they do some community

925
00:55:57,359 --> 00:55:59,780
service they go to a lot of other parks

926
00:55:59,780 --> 00:56:01,980
in a lot of the neighboring communities

927
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:04,500
we also hold a tennis camp which is

928
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:06,359
hosted by the Black Mountain Association

929
00:56:06,359 --> 00:56:08,000
and it takes place at the high school

930
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,770
and you can see the numbers from that

931
00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:15,839
our active aging adults uh 2022 was

932
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:17,359
probably the biggest year for them

933
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:20,280
coming out of covet in 2021 we really

934
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,260
kind of got back to our our regularly

935
00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:24,720
scheduled programming there some of the

936
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,160
things that we introduced we're bringing

937
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,839
back a lot of the group exercise classes

938
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:30,660
which I think are wildly popular along

939
00:56:30,660 --> 00:56:32,819
with an art class and chair volleyball

940
00:56:32,819 --> 00:56:34,380
if you haven't played Cherry volleyball

941
00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:36,000
you should pop in over there and check

942
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,920
it out it's pretty fun

943
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:38,940
um

944
00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:40,800
they do a lot there and they're very

945
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,240
involved you heard from from some of

946
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,109
those people tonight

947
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,819
and then our community garden

948
00:56:47,819 --> 00:56:50,040
um 2022 we hired a new community garden

949
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,980
manager this was also the year I believe

950
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:54,540
that we first really started tracking

951
00:56:54,540 --> 00:56:56,700
compost you can see that we we did a lot

952
00:56:56,700 --> 00:57:00,420
of composting uh in 2022 there is a

953
00:57:00,420 --> 00:57:01,800
slight drop off in the amount of food

954
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,079
that we produce in 2022 but I attribute

955
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,119
that to the turnover and our our former

956
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:08,339
Garden manager leaving and a new Garden

957
00:57:08,339 --> 00:57:13,680
manager coming in but you can see we are pretty much maxed out for space

958
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,180
at the community garden we have a

959
00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:16,740
waiting list I think there's maybe 20

960
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:19,020
people trying to get on a waiting list

961
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:21,000
there for plots

962
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,240
um so we are it is a very popular thing

963
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,770
and we are in need of space

964
00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:29,760
we also have a pollinator Garden

965
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,579
coordinator in our department that that

966
00:57:31,579 --> 00:57:33,839
manages several pollinator Gardens

967
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,720
throughout town a total one acre of

968
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,920
property and you can see the four

969
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,500
locations there and some of what she's

970
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:43,910
doing

971
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,520
our facility rentals facility rentals

972
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,800
remain steady

973
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,599
um you can see that the numbers and the

974
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,700
revenues from those obviously the

975
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:56,160
Lakeview Center is the most utilized

976
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,619
facility that we have and I can tell you

977
00:57:58,619 --> 00:58:00,180
just looking at the calendar right now

978
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:03,000
once once the warm season hits our

979
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,520
Pavilions are pretty much booked out for

980
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,619
the summer at this point

981
00:58:07,619 --> 00:58:09,599
um so if we're looking at projects to do

982
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,099
in the future putting more picnic

983
00:58:11,099 --> 00:58:12,839
shelters and Pavilions around town would

984
00:58:12,839 --> 00:58:17,329
definitely be of a benefit for that

985
00:58:17,339 --> 00:58:18,900
some of the things that we accomplished

986
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:20,640
in 2022 that aren't listed in the

987
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,140
previous slides one of the big things

988
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:23,819
that we did kind of coming back from

989
00:58:23,819 --> 00:58:25,140
covet especially with outdoor

990
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:27,000
programming was partnering with

991
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,579
organizations in our community

992
00:58:29,579 --> 00:58:31,319
um obviously the town doesn't have a ton

993
00:58:31,319 --> 00:58:33,540
of trails and Trail systems and hiking

994
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:37,079
and additional things like disc golf and

995
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:38,819
so we partnered with a lot of the camps

996
00:58:38,819 --> 00:58:40,440
and Conference Centers around to utilize

997
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,180
the things that they had that we did not

998
00:58:42,180 --> 00:58:45,720
have we do we play a lot of disc golf at

999
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,839
Blue Ridge assembly Ridgecrest the Black

1000
00:58:48,839 --> 00:58:50,460
Mountain Children's Home Owen High

1001
00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:52,140
School those are the sites for our youth

1002
00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:54,540
Disc Golf League we've also been doing

1003
00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:57,799
indoor climbing archery

1004
00:58:57,799 --> 00:59:00,299
at some of the Conference Centers and

1005
00:59:00,299 --> 00:59:01,619
then we also partnered with the new

1006
00:59:01,619 --> 00:59:03,900
organization called G5 Trail Collective

1007
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,660
which is I believe based out of Old Fort

1008
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:07,920
they train some of our staff on building

1009
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,839
trails and now our staff is able to go

1010
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:11,700
out and teach community members how to

1011
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:13,160
build Trails

1012
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,720
partnered with Warren Wilson they they

1013
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,339
reached out to us to do a cleanup we all

1014
00:59:17,339 --> 00:59:18,960
so partner with them with the Lakeview

1015
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,339
Center and their preschool reading

1016
00:59:20,339 --> 00:59:23,700
program we donate a lot of our

1017
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:25,440
um garden vegetables Bounty and soul

1018
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,420
some of the things that you guys funded

1019
00:59:27,420 --> 00:59:28,859
last year that we were able to do was we

1020
00:59:28,859 --> 00:59:31,020
replaced the pool cover we updated the

1021
00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:32,700
pool house lighting and electrical that

1022
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:34,200
had been there I think since the

1023
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,660
Inception of that pool house we also

1024
00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:38,400
added a new fence and a shade structure

1025
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,460
at the dog park and we completed the

1026
00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:43,500
restrooms with the part of Grant at

1027
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:48,230
Veterans Park and begin our master plan

1028
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,980
and that's all I got if you guys have

1029
00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:52,670
any questions

1030
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,480
one thing I would just suggest is that

1031
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,599
you know on The Pavilions over the years

1032
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,160
I've noticed you know you get people

1033
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,200
that rent The Pavilion for for a lunch

1034
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,240
activities

1035
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,640
for for suppers

1036
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,440
but very soon we have the same group

1037
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,020
there and it's trying to go ahead and

1038
01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:13,200
make that a dual purposes so that you

1039
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,880
could rent it I know you got to get

1040
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,099
somebody over there to clean it in

1041
01:00:17,099 --> 01:00:19,079
between but instead of thinking about

1042
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:21,540
having to build new structures this is a

1043
01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:22,920
way to go ahead and take advantage of

1044
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,960
existing structures and help increase

1045
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,000
the revenue stream we currently do two

1046
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,859
time frames so we do a nine to three and

1047
01:00:28,859 --> 01:00:31,319
three thirty nine thirty

1048
01:00:31,319 --> 01:00:34,079
glad you did

1049
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:36,660
yeah thank you for your presentation

1050
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:38,579
um and it's exciting to see so much

1051
01:00:38,579 --> 01:00:41,220
activity around town uh are we still on

1052
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:43,619
track to bring back basketball yes and

1053
01:00:43,619 --> 01:00:45,480
when will that begin it'll be this

1054
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,640
spring where this this winter spring so

1055
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,640
usually starts in February

1056
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,299
and then

1057
01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:52,619
um just

1058
01:00:52,619 --> 01:00:54,839
you may not have an answer for a

1059
01:00:54,839 --> 01:00:56,940
broadcast question like this but um

1060
01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:59,760
after getting the master plan and

1061
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,160
approving the master plan has that

1062
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,400
reshaped how your you know approaching

1063
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,400
some of uh some of the activities and

1064
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,480
some of the priorities of the department

1065
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,099
at all

1066
01:01:11,099 --> 01:01:13,020
I would say that it sheds light on

1067
01:01:13,020 --> 01:01:15,299
what's needed in the community in terms

1068
01:01:15,299 --> 01:01:16,559
of what people are interested in and

1069
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:18,299
what we can offer

1070
01:01:18,299 --> 01:01:19,619
um and so we'll we'll definitely take

1071
01:01:19,619 --> 01:01:21,299
the recommendations from that plan and

1072
01:01:21,299 --> 01:01:23,099
work that into our programming and

1073
01:01:23,099 --> 01:01:24,420
events

1074
01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:29,390
great thank you

1075
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,880
okay thanks thanks Josh

1076
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,980
and then lastly for communications from

1077
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:37,559
staff with the our Public Services

1078
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:39,660
director Jenny Matthews with the annual

1079
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:42,289
Water Report

1080
01:01:42,299 --> 01:01:44,480
good evening mayor board

1081
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,280
uh capitalizing what Josh said this is

1082
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,440
our uh

1083
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,740
2022 calendar year annual Water Report

1084
01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:53,760
um

1085
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,980
so get started we I listed a couple of

1086
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:58,740
uh projects and maintenance that we've

1087
01:01:58,740 --> 01:02:00,599
done I'll try to explain you know why we

1088
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:04,260
chose these these two uh to do in last

1089
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:06,900
year's budget uh we installed a new six

1090
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:09,299
inch ductile iron pipe water line on the

1091
01:02:09,299 --> 01:02:10,680
old toll road

1092
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,799
this was to replace an old AC line

1093
01:02:13,799 --> 01:02:17,579
that's probably just guessing between 70

1094
01:02:17,579 --> 01:02:19,500
to 100 years old that they don't even

1095
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,260
use in production anymore

1096
01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:24,119
so one of our goals is to try to replace

1097
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,520
these lines as we move forward and try

1098
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,280
to update our system we replace 400 foot

1099
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,380
of that this past year

1100
01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:33,900
we got another 800 foot that if our

1101
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:36,119
budget passes we'll do this year and

1102
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:38,099
then there's 2 000 foot total so it'll

1103
01:02:38,099 --> 01:02:39,960
probably be a three year process to get

1104
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,260
that done

1105
01:02:42,260 --> 01:02:45,119
one misprint I'd like to mention it says

1106
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,640
installed four ultrasonic flow meters we

1107
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,099
actually installed five two of those was

1108
01:02:50,099 --> 01:02:52,799
at Timber Park we got one on toll road

1109
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:55,200
Watershed two and Timber Park one to

1110
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,559
Asheville Asheville booster what that

1111
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,540
ultrasonic flow meter does is looking

1112
01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:01,920
forward into the future and trying to

1113
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,720
get water loss down

1114
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,880
is when you put these meters on these

1115
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,740
Pump Station as they pump water out into

1116
01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:10,980
the system it takes a little math but

1117
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:12,960
you let this run for several months and

1118
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,400
then you come back compare it to the

1119
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,859
billing here at Town Hall and it'll show

1120
01:03:16,859 --> 01:03:18,720
you which areas in town have the most

1121
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:19,980
water loss

1122
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:22,020
so we just got them installed last year

1123
01:03:22,020 --> 01:03:23,700
we've not done the numbers yet but I'm

1124
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:25,319
curious to see because it'll give us an

1125
01:03:25,319 --> 01:03:28,440
idea uh even further of things we need

1126
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,079
to replace moving forward in what areas

1127
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:34,579
we need to focus on it's our loss now

1128
01:03:34,579 --> 01:03:37,559
uh it varies depending but it's actually

1129
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:40,200
come down a whole bunch uh I think the

1130
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,460
last one correct me Josh I was maybe

1131
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:48,119
what 18 to 23 something like that I

1132
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:51,420
think I can get you the actual number

1133
01:03:51,420 --> 01:03:53,640
um we replace well number five it's at

1134
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,559
the end of Vance Avenue we've replaced

1135
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:57,359
the pumps we try to do that periodically

1136
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:00,119
what that does is keep the production

1137
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,040
rate up on these whales over the years

1138
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,500
as these pumps are used they use they

1139
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:07,319
lose production so we try to keep that

1140
01:04:07,319 --> 01:04:09,599
up keep it Peak so we replaced well five

1141
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,220
this year and one of my favorite place

1142
01:04:11,220 --> 01:04:13,920
we replaced pump wire the pipe the whole

1143
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,619
nine yards just like it was new again

1144
01:04:16,619 --> 01:04:19,260
uh we rebuilt altitude valve at the

1145
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:20,819
South tank which is over off of Highway

1146
01:04:20,819 --> 01:04:23,640
nine tell you a little bit about what

1147
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,579
altitude valve is is when the South tank

1148
01:04:26,579 --> 01:04:29,280
was built uh years ago it was built 10

1149
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,960
foot higher in elevation should have

1150
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,480
been 10 foot lower I don't know why I

1151
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,799
don't know what the miscalculation was

1152
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:38,099
but because of that it is connected to

1153
01:04:38,099 --> 01:04:40,020
our biggest tank which is Hemphill tank

1154
01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:42,660
so it was designed to wear a Hemphill

1155
01:04:42,660 --> 01:04:44,760
tank was supposed to push water to the

1156
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,220
South tank and then the altitude valve

1157
01:04:47,220 --> 01:04:48,960
wouldn't let it come back

1158
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,839
so when we when we realized years ago

1159
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:53,220
that that ain't what the way it was and

1160
01:04:53,220 --> 01:04:55,380
we had to put a pump in that Hempfield

1161
01:04:55,380 --> 01:04:57,480
tank that actually pushes pressure and

1162
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,460
then once it fills the South tank the

1163
01:04:59,460 --> 01:05:01,140
altitude valve holds the water and keeps

1164
01:05:01,140 --> 01:05:02,579
it from sending back

1165
01:05:02,579 --> 01:05:04,980
so we had to rebuild that that was a

1166
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:06,540
general maintenance you do every so many

1167
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:07,980
years

1168
01:05:07,980 --> 01:05:11,280
uh automated remitter installs we've

1169
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,460
replaced or installed I'm sorry 450 new

1170
01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:16,980
automated meters we've done that for the

1171
01:05:16,980 --> 01:05:19,680
past couple years we're probably halfway

1172
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,220
done and uh and when we get to our water

1173
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:24,960
budget you'll see there's more funds

1174
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,180
budgeted you know to keep going in that

1175
01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:29,460
process to install this to to complete

1176
01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:32,460
our whole system to automation

1177
01:05:32,460 --> 01:05:35,760
uh as for water transfer update we are

1178
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,460
in the phase two we have done our part

1179
01:05:38,460 --> 01:05:41,760
we are actually waiting on the state uh

1180
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,619
water supply section

1181
01:05:43,619 --> 01:05:46,140
which uh which is the hold up now as far

1182
01:05:46,140 --> 01:05:48,780
as the permit process and you know after

1183
01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:50,460
talking with them and collecting

1184
01:05:50,460 --> 01:05:51,960
information stuff I think they have

1185
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,180
suffered labor shortages just like

1186
01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:56,940
everybody across the state has and

1187
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:59,640
what used to take two or three months to

1188
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,319
get engineering plans pushed through to

1189
01:06:01,319 --> 01:06:03,359
replace lines or whatever is in some

1190
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:05,940
cases taken approximately two years

1191
01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:08,520
so it's probably been right out a year

1192
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,339
or so that we've been waiting and we

1193
01:06:11,339 --> 01:06:14,220
keep constant you know contact with the

1194
01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:16,380
engineers and the state and that's

1195
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:18,480
basically what our holdup is and

1196
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,339
as soon as we can get that then we can

1197
01:06:20,339 --> 01:06:22,020
move forward but like I say we got our

1198
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:24,000
part complete you know as far as the

1199
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,500
pump house and stuff we're just waiting

1200
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:28,549
on the permit process

1201
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:30,599
so I like showing these totals this is a

1202
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,660
total work orders for 2022 I give a

1203
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:34,740
three year

1204
01:06:34,740 --> 01:06:37,020
these pretty stay pretty consistent but

1205
01:06:37,020 --> 01:06:38,819
they fluctuate a little bit that could

1206
01:06:38,819 --> 01:06:39,960
be for

1207
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,059
multiple reasons it could be because of

1208
01:06:42,059 --> 01:06:43,619
Labor shortages it could be for the type

1209
01:06:43,619 --> 01:06:45,359
of job or whatever but we stay

1210
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:48,480
consistent in the 3000 mid 3000s per

1211
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,809
year

1212
01:06:50,819 --> 01:06:54,359
uh this is a breakdown of those of that

1213
01:06:54,359 --> 01:06:57,660
work order system so line locates which

1214
01:06:57,660 --> 01:07:00,059
I always I look at that as far as

1215
01:07:00,059 --> 01:07:01,920
building and stuff that goes on within

1216
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,680
town because out of that 1730

1217
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,859
when I say line locates that's other

1218
01:07:07,859 --> 01:07:11,099
Utility Services Power phone

1219
01:07:11,099 --> 01:07:13,140
um anything that's underground you know

1220
01:07:13,140 --> 01:07:15,599
we do our own water

1221
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:16,260
um

1222
01:07:16,260 --> 01:07:18,359
but it could be fiber optic it could be

1223
01:07:18,359 --> 01:07:20,400
anything so when they're calling in it

1224
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:21,900
could be MSD so when they're called in

1225
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:23,400
it could be maintenance or it could be

1226
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,520
for Building purposes but we ourselves

1227
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:31,859
have 1730 water locates a year uh on in

1228
01:07:31,859 --> 01:07:33,720
2022.

1229
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,319
water cut on 612 that could be from uh

1230
01:07:37,319 --> 01:07:39,720
new customers coming in cutting water on

1231
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,140
or it can be from going back and cutting

1232
01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:45,240
uh water on from water cutoffs which was

1233
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,339
556 last year

1234
01:07:47,339 --> 01:07:50,880
at 65 leaks 56 leak checks

1235
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,180
uh 331 meter maintenance and then

1236
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:56,339
rechecks for meter reading you know

1237
01:07:56,339 --> 01:07:58,440
sometimes you'll get rechecks because

1238
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,059
the customer has a question whatever we

1239
01:08:00,059 --> 01:08:01,559
run back out and rechecks we had

1240
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:04,140
approximately 200 of those

1241
01:08:04,140 --> 01:08:06,720
and then Watershed maintenance well well

1242
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,940
house maintenance and then miscellaneous

1243
01:08:08,940 --> 01:08:10,980
water could be anything from a burnt

1244
01:08:10,980 --> 01:08:12,900
washer and a meter right on down to just

1245
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:16,620
checking for a leak hydrant maintenance

1246
01:08:16,620 --> 01:08:18,480
um I know during the year we usually

1247
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:20,160
have it seems like here lately one or

1248
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,020
two hydrants that these trucks making

1249
01:08:22,020 --> 01:08:24,060
these tight turns around town usually

1250
01:08:24,060 --> 01:08:25,920
run over one and we have to replace it

1251
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,319
or we take one of the older hydrants and

1252
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,120
we have to get a rebuild kit and just

1253
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,580
rebuild it

1254
01:08:32,580 --> 01:08:34,739
so this is a very interesting one right

1255
01:08:34,739 --> 01:08:36,839
here that that uh

1256
01:08:36,839 --> 01:08:39,480
that you'll be interested in so

1257
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:42,239
this is how much water we pump versus

1258
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:44,460
how many gallons of water we purchased

1259
01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:46,080
from Asheville so if you see on the

1260
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:46,980
bottom

1261
01:08:46,980 --> 01:08:48,960
in 2020

1262
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,199
we actually pumped 179 million you know

1263
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:54,660
179.5 million

1264
01:08:54,660 --> 01:08:59,160
and then 2022 we only pumped 138 million

1265
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,460
if you look at Asheville in 2020 we

1266
01:09:02,460 --> 01:09:05,640
purchased 70 million thereabouts 71

1267
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,020
close to

1268
01:09:07,020 --> 01:09:11,699
in 2022 the first 187 and a half million

1269
01:09:11,699 --> 01:09:13,739
so the reason that number is that way is

1270
01:09:13,739 --> 01:09:15,779
for for a few reasons

1271
01:09:15,779 --> 01:09:16,560
um

1272
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,600
whale number one which is one on the

1273
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,600
golf course we took offline for many

1274
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,219
reasons the whale's having a lot of

1275
01:09:23,219 --> 01:09:24,779
trouble it's having a lot it was failing

1276
01:09:24,779 --> 01:09:26,699
a lot of our samples that we have to

1277
01:09:26,699 --> 01:09:29,160
send to the state so it was best to shut

1278
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,660
it down and it was one of our less

1279
01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:33,120
producers so it's offline so now we're

1280
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,279
down to 11 Wells

1281
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,799
well number 17 which is one of our

1282
01:09:37,799 --> 01:09:40,080
biggest producers by looking at the the

1283
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,080
records uh when it was installed

1284
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,239
produced 200 gallons a minute that's a

1285
01:09:45,239 --> 01:09:47,759
lot for a weld

1286
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:51,779
but over the years the school would call

1287
01:09:51,779 --> 01:09:54,000
or a lot of places would call and they

1288
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,800
would say the water was milky well

1289
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,480
anytime you got milky water you got iron

1290
01:09:57,480 --> 01:10:00,179
the system so it led us to do more

1291
01:10:00,179 --> 01:10:02,580
research and got to thinking that maybe

1292
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:04,620
you know it has to be coming from one of

1293
01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:06,480
the whales

1294
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:07,980
well I know when we had some water

1295
01:10:07,980 --> 01:10:10,739
shortages in the past the state requires

1296
01:10:10,739 --> 01:10:13,140
you to pump water 12 hours on 12 hours

1297
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:14,400
off

1298
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,739
but during emergencies if you get

1299
01:10:16,739 --> 01:10:18,660
approval from the state you can pump 24

1300
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:20,640
hours around the clock which we've done

1301
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,260
a couple times in the past and that's

1302
01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:24,480
when we would notice the Milky water

1303
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,580
so we budgeted last year to do a

1304
01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:28,260
drawdown on one of our top producing

1305
01:10:28,260 --> 01:10:30,480
whales which was whale 17 that's in the

1306
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:31,920
Watershed

1307
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,460
well after doing the the draw down which

1308
01:10:35,460 --> 01:10:37,320
to explain you know to people don't know

1309
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,300
in the public a drawdown is where you

1310
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,940
put one of those flow meters on that

1311
01:10:41,940 --> 01:10:44,640
well which measures the water coming out

1312
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,260
and then you put what they call a depth

1313
01:10:46,260 --> 01:10:47,699
gauge on the head of the well which

1314
01:10:47,699 --> 01:10:49,679
shoots a ping down to the top of the

1315
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:51,360
water sends the signal back and tells

1316
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,219
you the depth of the well

1317
01:10:53,219 --> 01:10:55,980
you pump the water to the whale yields

1318
01:10:55,980 --> 01:10:57,719
as much water as it can yield and it

1319
01:10:57,719 --> 01:10:59,040
can't yield no more and that'll tell you

1320
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,020
how many gallons per minute you get

1321
01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:03,659
so after that draw down and the record

1322
01:11:03,659 --> 01:11:05,900
showing is getting 200 gallons a minute

1323
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:09,060
it bounced back and forth between 75 and

1324
01:11:09,060 --> 01:11:10,739
90 gallons a minute

1325
01:11:10,739 --> 01:11:12,659
so that well is not producing anything

1326
01:11:12,659 --> 01:11:14,460
like it did when it was put in years ago

1327
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:16,620
and the reasons for that is and I've

1328
01:11:16,620 --> 01:11:18,420
stated this before

1329
01:11:18,420 --> 01:11:19,860
of course you don't see it with a naked

1330
01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:21,679
eye but the ground does shift and

1331
01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:24,780
aquifer is underground you know they

1332
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:28,560
shift also and over time Wells can

1333
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,140
they can't almost say go dry but they

1334
01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:32,880
can relocate to where you don't have

1335
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,420
that water no more so that could be one

1336
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:38,340
of the reasons too and then the other

1337
01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:41,340
reason is is after we took over all the

1338
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:43,620
Asheville customers you know it's a

1339
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:46,679
bigger Demand on the system so

1340
01:11:46,679 --> 01:11:48,719
that's your three main reasons for that

1341
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:51,659
number being so high you get more water

1342
01:11:51,659 --> 01:11:53,699
usage for the customers you take over

1343
01:11:53,699 --> 01:11:55,500
and then we're not pumping as much water

1344
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:58,080
as we used to because we're well short

1345
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:59,820
and we're not pumping as many gallons

1346
01:11:59,820 --> 01:12:03,000
per minute as we as we did

1347
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:03,780
um

1348
01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:06,360
you know we we can keep replacing well

1349
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,699
pumps going through the years to try to

1350
01:12:08,699 --> 01:12:10,679
keep them efficient pumping as many

1351
01:12:10,679 --> 01:12:13,620
gallons as we can and uh and keep an eye

1352
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,239
on it and we can also keep doing

1353
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:18,000
drawdowns on our wells to see you know

1354
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,800
what they're pumping but with without

1355
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,020
that

1356
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:23,880
that's why we're buying the amount of

1357
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,500
water that we are

1358
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:27,179
do you have a senses that I'll help you

1359
01:12:27,179 --> 01:12:29,699
the other Wells are as far as what the

1360
01:12:29,699 --> 01:12:31,199
producing we've got our whale head

1361
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:33,780
protection plant or plan that's got all

1362
01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:35,760
that information in it that's got the

1363
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,400
all the information on the whales from

1364
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,199
when they was put in the you know the

1365
01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:42,480
documentation that that we inherited

1366
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:44,159
that we got and that's sort of what I'm

1367
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,500
going by and then double checking to see

1368
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:48,900
how these changes are are changing

1369
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:50,699
through the years but uh but yes that

1370
01:12:50,699 --> 01:12:52,380
information is in there

1371
01:12:52,380 --> 01:12:54,239
and when was the last time we drilled a

1372
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:56,100
new well

1373
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:58,199
I don't remember the year the mayor may

1374
01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:00,600
remember better than me the last ones

1375
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,699
we've done was in Rocky Branch if I'm

1376
01:13:02,699 --> 01:13:04,620
correct about that and I think they was

1377
01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:06,140
three or four

1378
01:13:06,140 --> 01:13:09,860
and because of uh

1379
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:12,300
bacteria issues and the sampling and

1380
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:14,280
stuff or maybe too much of one thing in

1381
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,020
it they were the state required them to

1382
01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:17,280
be shut down

1383
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,500
some of the places that we that we could

1384
01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:21,440
possibly look at because we pretty much

1385
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:24,780
exhausted amongst others would be Blue

1386
01:13:24,780 --> 01:13:25,980
Ridge

1387
01:13:25,980 --> 01:13:27,960
yes but it was the same like Blue Ridge

1388
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,400
is Blue Blue Ridge or something yeah

1389
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,920
correct yeah so that would be we're

1390
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,000
going to look at trying to do some

1391
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,860
wealth I think that's that's where we

1392
01:13:34,860 --> 01:13:36,600
ought to look that went up and spoke

1393
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,179
with Roger Hibbert years ago about the

1394
01:13:39,179 --> 01:13:41,760
board was receptive to it you know

1395
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,980
we'd have to pay them something but I

1396
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:45,420
just and then they just kind of went

1397
01:13:45,420 --> 01:13:48,179
dormant so and I think that's a lot of

1398
01:13:48,179 --> 01:13:50,040
the problems having the you know the

1399
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,719
land to do it

1400
01:13:51,719 --> 01:13:53,460
um has been part of the issue for the

1401
01:13:53,460 --> 01:13:55,140
town in the past just like the Rocky

1402
01:13:55,140 --> 01:13:58,500
Branch uh we do own that land but we

1403
01:13:58,500 --> 01:13:59,940
can't drill a well there we've drilled

1404
01:13:59,940 --> 01:14:01,440
three or four and none of them's

1405
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,420
produced so I think they run a short

1406
01:14:03,420 --> 01:14:04,860
period of time and then we had to shut

1407
01:14:04,860 --> 01:14:07,800
them down so it was just uh I don't want

1408
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,540
to say wasted money because it's just a

1409
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:12,000
chance you take but you know it cost a

1410
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,620
lot more during Wales now than it did

1411
01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:16,380
back then so

1412
01:14:16,380 --> 01:14:19,980
but all in all we've got a great system

1413
01:14:19,980 --> 01:14:22,080
um you know as far as technology and

1414
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,020
stuff and being up and current it's just

1415
01:14:25,020 --> 01:14:28,440
uh whales are a logistical thing and you

1416
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:30,780
know they change you know you just don't

1417
01:14:30,780 --> 01:14:32,940
know how often or how long but they they

1418
01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:36,350
will change so

1419
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:36,920
um

1420
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,239
but that's the reason that number's so

1421
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:41,940
high and then getting questions or

1422
01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:43,800
comments or anything I'll be more than

1423
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,709
glad to answer them if I could

1424
01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:54,790
okay thank you thank you yes sir

1425
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,659
all right next item please we can send

1426
01:14:57,659 --> 01:14:59,640
agenda consists of four items this

1427
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,440
evening uh first one being adoption of

1428
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:05,460
minutes April 6 April 10th April 19th

1429
01:15:05,460 --> 01:15:08,040
and April 26th next you have a budget

1430
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,940
amendment for the nclm RMS safety Grant

1431
01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:14,820
5c is a budget amendment for the 2023

1432
01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:18,000
Valentine Greenway Challenge and lastly

1433
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,760
is a special Revenue fund excuse me

1434
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,219
special Revenue Grant fund ordinance for

1435
01:15:23,219 --> 01:15:24,780
the Governor's crime commission grant

1436
01:15:24,780 --> 01:15:26,760
for the police department that'll be

1437
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,260
your consent agenda

1438
01:15:28,260 --> 01:15:30,900
I was noticing in there in the minutes

1439
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:33,960
for the citizen comments we were missing

1440
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:38,400
one comment and that was from Rick early

1441
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,990
I spoke

1442
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,880
you're on April to April 10th okay yeah

1443
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,209
okay

1444
01:15:47,219 --> 01:15:49,440
yeah that was not in there that was

1445
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:50,940
about how the Planning Commission had

1446
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:53,040
made a mistake

1447
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,340
with the zoning request

1448
01:15:56,340 --> 01:15:59,689
thank you

1449
01:15:59,699 --> 01:16:01,260
and

1450
01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:04,620
I'm missing the April 26 minutes I have

1451
01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:09,830
March 29th

1452
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,820
so I would I would recommend that we

1453
01:16:11,820 --> 01:16:14,400
pull that so that we can look at those

1454
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,500
next month how about the April 6th and

1455
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:18,780
the April 19th

1456
01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:21,080
okay

1457
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:29,750
that's all that good

1458
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,270
oh good by me

1459
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,260
any other comments on the bed I mean

1460
01:16:37,260 --> 01:16:39,600
I'll be cassette agenda if not do I hear

1461
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,010
a motion

1462
01:16:43,020 --> 01:16:44,159
sumo

1463
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:47,100
okay any more discussion on it

1464
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:57,590
not all in favor all right passes

1465
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,940
now we're on unfinished business Josh we

1466
01:16:59,940 --> 01:17:04,790
have a citizen comment section uh

1467
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,380
anybody work to speak to the remaining

1468
01:17:07,380 --> 01:17:19,370
items of each other

1469
01:17:19,380 --> 01:17:22,080
yeah give your name and address please

1470
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,420
if you got three minutes Elizabeth Swann

1471
01:17:24,420 --> 01:17:27,540
207 gatchel Street uh Josh with

1472
01:17:27,540 --> 01:17:29,159
Recreation and Parks is talking about

1473
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:32,460
the increased use of the Pavilion and

1474
01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:36,239
the pool and that just reinforces my

1475
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:39,060
statement about parking because from

1476
01:17:39,060 --> 01:17:42,060
nine to say one o'clock in the afternoon

1477
01:17:42,060 --> 01:17:44,880
seniors are coming in to do their

1478
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,840
activities and to have their lunch and

1479
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,900
parking spaces is very limited when the

1480
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:54,719
pool is open and some of these

1481
01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:57,900
I won't say elderly older folks or you

1482
01:17:57,900 --> 01:18:00,600
know has some disabilities walking using

1483
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,580
the canes and Walkers so we do need

1484
01:18:02,580 --> 01:18:06,120
additional parking for that area and I

1485
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:07,260
don't know where it's going to come from

1486
01:18:07,260 --> 01:18:09,900
unless the builders

1487
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:14,760
up and down so put that on the agenda to

1488
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,040
consider I appreciate it thank you very

1489
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,850
much

1490
01:18:19,860 --> 01:18:22,739
and nobody else has a wish

1491
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:26,090
as this uh

1492
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:35,229
yes yes

1493
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:40,920
Sean Sloan 115 3rd Street Black Mountain

1494
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,080
um I want to comment on the offer that

1495
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,420
the town is considering to sell some

1496
01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:46,739
land

1497
01:18:46,739 --> 01:18:47,640
um

1498
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,880
I've given a lot of thought to

1499
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,940
what's being proposed and I'm basing it

1500
01:18:53,940 --> 01:18:56,400
on what is written in the letter that

1501
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:00,480
was sent to you outlining the terms

1502
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:01,080
um

1503
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,719
why are you even entertaining this offer

1504
01:19:03,719 --> 01:19:07,860
it is a half acre of land with front a

1505
01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:09,960
road Frontage on E Street

1506
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,980
with Frontage on the creek it's flat

1507
01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:16,380
and it yes it floods and that's where

1508
01:19:16,380 --> 01:19:17,820
you put parks

1509
01:19:17,820 --> 01:19:21,360
and it's in an underserved neighborhood

1510
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:25,440
Mr Hayes said lamented last meeting oh

1511
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:27,780
we'd like to be able to use it for a

1512
01:19:27,780 --> 01:19:30,600
pocket park in the future what's the big

1513
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,620
deal except not having imagination

1514
01:19:34,620 --> 01:19:37,739
wouldn't the community garden serve to

1515
01:19:37,739 --> 01:19:39,900
occupy that space wouldn't the

1516
01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:42,000
neighborhood like to have a pitch of

1517
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,400
grass that the kids can play on and put

1518
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,500
a picnic table next to the creek and

1519
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:48,420
chain it down so it doesn't get flooded

1520
01:19:48,420 --> 01:19:50,880
I just don't understand it's a public

1521
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,739
good and you're thinking of letting it go for

1522
01:19:55,739 --> 01:19:56,840
nothing

1523
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,420
there's a Greenway proposed to run

1524
01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:02,400
through that Park

1525
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,280
to that property and um

1526
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,380
have you considered the fact that we

1527
01:20:07,380 --> 01:20:09,480
might need parking for the greenway so

1528
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:12,300
people can get on the greenway

1529
01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:14,760
that people are in the future you know

1530
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,040
if we sell that property and they're

1531
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,140
walking down the greenway and there's a

1532
01:20:19,140 --> 01:20:22,080
fence there or no trespassing signs that

1533
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,580
they're going to look back and they're

1534
01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:25,500
going to say what were they thinking

1535
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:28,380
this is something that is not a big ask

1536
01:20:28,380 --> 01:20:31,260
to develop into a park it's a public

1537
01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:34,920
good and it's not that big a deal to

1538
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,900
make to give some love to the thing and

1539
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:38,940
post a sign you know come and play here

1540
01:20:38,940 --> 01:20:41,940
so I think you're way off base in terms

1541
01:20:41,940 --> 01:20:44,280
of even thinking about it to say nothing

1542
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,980
of the fact that the offer for thirty

1543
01:20:46,980 --> 01:20:48,500
five thousand dollars

1544
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:51,659
is a is and the tax value the market

1545
01:20:51,659 --> 01:20:54,780
value is 86.9 so that's an insult of an

1546
01:20:54,780 --> 01:20:58,199
offer the the Mr Sneed in the past has

1547
01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:01,020
referred to the tax value as a bona fide

1548
01:21:01,020 --> 01:21:04,679
value for the property and so why are we

1549
01:21:04,679 --> 01:21:06,659
entertaining an offer that's

1550
01:21:06,659 --> 01:21:09,300
fraction of what the land is worth I

1551
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:11,280
don't think you've gotten uh an

1552
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,980
appraisal of it and so we're giving it

1553
01:21:13,980 --> 01:21:16,500
away and we're taking it away for from

1554
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:20,580
future generations of Park and sure it

1555
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:22,739
doesn't look good now but clean it up

1556
01:21:22,739 --> 01:21:25,199
you know put grass on there we'll put a

1557
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:27,780
garden on there or put a blueberry patch

1558
01:21:27,780 --> 01:21:29,640
like the gentleman next door wants to do

1559
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,860
and then it'll be ours and everybody can

1560
01:21:31,860 --> 01:21:33,719
enjoy it instead of putting it in the

1561
01:21:33,719 --> 01:21:36,540
private hands I think this is a

1562
01:21:36,540 --> 01:21:39,060
no-brainer as far as I'm concerned thank

1563
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:42,770
you

1564
01:21:42,780 --> 01:22:03,189
foreign

1565
01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:05,520
concerns in our last meeting different

1566
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,040
questions came up I know looking at

1567
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:09,840
research these two specific pieces of

1568
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,880
properties were not female FEMA buyout

1569
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,699
properties these were those were other

1570
01:22:14,699 --> 01:22:17,280
properties actually in that general area

1571
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,260
that were FEMA bio properties not these

1572
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:20,400
two properties

1573
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,920
it also did include for you on at least

1574
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,780
on the screen so this is a map from the

1575
01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:27,420
flood risk information system from FEMA

1576
01:22:27,420 --> 01:22:28,679
and North Carolina emergency management

1577
01:22:28,679 --> 01:22:31,440
which shows you the flood plain in the

1578
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:32,840
area the floodway

1579
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,940
so this whole whole area is encumbent

1580
01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:38,280
obviously about flood water when we do

1581
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,620
have extensive rainfall amounts can you

1582
01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:43,320
with your cursor show where

1583
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,890
oh

1584
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:49,080
whereabout that would be

1585
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:53,699
the property a veteran in this area

1586
01:22:53,699 --> 01:22:55,739
it's right in the corner if that's the

1587
01:22:55,739 --> 01:22:57,420
road right there it says right in that

1588
01:22:57,420 --> 01:23:01,140
corner yeah right here

1589
01:23:01,140 --> 01:23:02,940
this is the house on the other side of

1590
01:23:02,940 --> 01:23:05,880
the river on Factory

1591
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,620
and can you talk a little bit about the

1592
01:23:07,620 --> 01:23:08,640
difference between a floodway and a

1593
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,460
flood zone and what that means for um it

1594
01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:12,600
typically means you cannot build

1595
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,640
anything in it you cannot have a rise in

1596
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,060
any kind of flood waters um

1597
01:23:17,060 --> 01:23:19,560
It's just tough to build anything in the

1598
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:20,520
floodway

1599
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,560
the source of floating that is in the

1600
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,659
blue that's your aeson which is your 100

1601
01:23:24,659 --> 01:23:27,780
Year foot plane you have to build to a

1602
01:23:27,780 --> 01:23:30,300
certain base flood elevation over what

1603
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:31,800
that would be it would require a survey

1604
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,860
to shoot that AMC but if it's not two

1605
01:23:34,860 --> 01:23:36,960
feet what's that I said we have an

1606
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,280
ordinance whether it's two features

1607
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,460
that's correct BFE so if it was 900

1608
01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:43,679
figured out the building at 92.

1609
01:23:43,679 --> 01:23:45,840
at the base of the house

1610
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,020
it's buildable but it's just

1611
01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:54,169
it's not as straightforward

1612
01:23:54,179 --> 01:23:56,699
and maybe even mistaken so maybe you can

1613
01:23:56,699 --> 01:23:58,739
correct me I believe that all of the

1614
01:23:58,739 --> 01:24:00,600
property in question is within the flood

1615
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:04,850
way not not to flood zone

1616
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:07,679
um I don't know that I could correct you

1617
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:10,500
or confirm that council member hay does

1618
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:12,120
a stream run up the middle of the heart

1619
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,520
like the diagonal line typically okay

1620
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:34,189
then it's in the flood boy

1621
01:24:34,199 --> 01:24:36,840
Josh tell us about the process I'm sorry

1622
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,860
the allergies are getting together

1623
01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:42,360
process you're talking about if you

1624
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,060
decide if we were to decide to move

1625
01:24:45,060 --> 01:24:47,940
forward and that offer is not the amount

1626
01:24:47,940 --> 01:24:49,920
it's not a final offer there will be

1627
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,199
opportunities for upset hits things of

1628
01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:53,820
that nature will just follow what the

1629
01:24:53,820 --> 01:24:55,199
general statute tells us such a couple

1630
01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:57,120
of different options the one coming to

1631
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,060
my mind is upset bid so if you decide to

1632
01:25:00,060 --> 01:25:02,460
take that offer then we'd post that

1633
01:25:02,460 --> 01:25:05,219
someone has a chance to upset that bed

1634
01:25:05,219 --> 01:25:07,800
together I think you give a week

1635
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,800
at a time how that works

1636
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,400
10 days 10 days

1637
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:21,550
foreign

1638
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,360
Josh uh

1639
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,060
I think I know the answer to this based

1640
01:25:27,060 --> 01:25:30,840
on a conversation you and I had we

1641
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,120
haven't the town

1642
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:38,280
hasn't had this property uh

1643
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,340
hadn't had an appraisal done correct yes

1644
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:42,560
sir or

1645
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,500
a broker opinion on value that's our

1646
01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:51,250
keys it was that's right

1647
01:25:51,260 --> 01:25:53,940
Mr slope said the tax value for both

1648
01:25:53,940 --> 01:25:57,239
pieces together is around 80. 161 and I

1649
01:25:57,239 --> 01:25:59,760
think once just short of I guess just

1650
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:05,330
over 20 but

1651
01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:08,699
well by I mean from going and looking at

1652
01:26:08,699 --> 01:26:10,440
it

1653
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:14,030
um

1654
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,880
it's a pretty rough piece of property uh

1655
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,600
I think it floods a lot constantly and

1656
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:22,980
you know

1657
01:26:22,980 --> 01:26:24,300
if you

1658
01:26:24,300 --> 01:26:26,400
put a playground in there I think you'd

1659
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,199
be replacing a playground pretty

1660
01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:31,260
constantly I mean I don't know but I

1661
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:33,020
would be

1662
01:26:33,020 --> 01:26:36,600
interested and I would feel more

1663
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,120
I'm not opposed to the idea but I'd feel

1664
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,860
more comfortable

1665
01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:42,780
having some

1666
01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:46,280
better idea from a third party value

1667
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,380
as to whether or not I mean this could

1668
01:26:49,380 --> 01:26:52,620
be the top price I don't know I have no

1669
01:26:52,620 --> 01:26:53,840
idea

1670
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,540
that's building

1671
01:26:56,540 --> 01:27:00,950
discomfort that I happened

1672
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,940
you putting forth an idea that maybe we

1673
01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:04,199
need to go ahead and get it to raise

1674
01:27:04,199 --> 01:27:08,340
them before we continue on well I mean I

1675
01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:10,860
think our choices are an appraisal which

1676
01:27:10,860 --> 01:27:13,020
would probably cost you about a thousand

1677
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:16,620
bucks maybe or you're also going to get

1678
01:27:16,620 --> 01:27:19,139
a broker opinion on value which might be

1679
01:27:19,139 --> 01:27:20,639
two or three hundred bucks and that's

1680
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:23,940
not as fancy

1681
01:27:23,940 --> 01:27:26,209
um

1682
01:27:26,219 --> 01:27:29,030
but

1683
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,500
for my mind I mean I'd be happy with the

1684
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:35,760
broker opinion on value experience

1685
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:37,860
real estate broker and say here's what I

1686
01:27:37,860 --> 01:27:39,780
think it's worth and they use a pretty

1687
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:45,770
good idea

1688
01:27:45,780 --> 01:27:47,840
I'll just tell you the concern I have

1689
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,960
but maybe you all can address

1690
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,179
is its wooded piece of property right

1691
01:27:54,179 --> 01:27:56,400
now so for any of these alternate uses

1692
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,620
and I am a big fan of pocket Parks don't

1693
01:27:58,620 --> 01:28:00,480
get me wrong I would have loved to do it

1694
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:01,560
but

1695
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,840
you're going to have to cut down some

1696
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,000
trees and then then the flooding

1697
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,280
problems are even worse

1698
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,980
and since we keep preparing Veterans

1699
01:28:10,980 --> 01:28:15,239
Park and Flat Creek I'm just concerned

1700
01:28:15,239 --> 01:28:17,219
about creating another liability that

1701
01:28:17,219 --> 01:28:19,260
we're going to have to keep repairing

1702
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:21,420
going forward

1703
01:28:21,420 --> 01:28:23,520
um

1704
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,980
I was able to research a little bit and

1705
01:28:25,980 --> 01:28:28,139
find some video previous floods down

1706
01:28:28,139 --> 01:28:29,159
there

1707
01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:30,840
and oh my goodness we're not talking

1708
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,120
about a few inches of water we're

1709
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,480
talking about raging torrents that went

1710
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:39,960
it's very very deep and very very wide

1711
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,420
so um

1712
01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:44,100
I'll just you know I'm just putting out

1713
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:46,139
my concerns and if maybe you all are

1714
01:28:46,139 --> 01:28:48,360
free thought all that through and have

1715
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,100
answers about that I'd be glad to hear

1716
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:55,129
it

1717
01:28:55,139 --> 01:28:56,940
I think I spent a lot of time thinking

1718
01:28:56,940 --> 01:28:58,739
about this and uh

1719
01:28:58,739 --> 01:29:01,620
was able to walk to Parker or not the

1720
01:29:01,620 --> 01:29:03,420
property over the weekend

1721
01:29:03,420 --> 01:29:05,820
um and I mean as other people have said

1722
01:29:05,820 --> 01:29:08,340
it's uh it is in quite disrepair at the

1723
01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:10,739
moment uh and it's hard to even imagine

1724
01:29:10,739 --> 01:29:13,920
with the amount of flood damage uh

1725
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,280
that's in the existing park right now or

1726
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,620
existing property right now that a park

1727
01:29:19,620 --> 01:29:21,780
would even be feasible

1728
01:29:21,780 --> 01:29:22,679
um

1729
01:29:22,679 --> 01:29:25,100
I still have a

1730
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:29,280
strong concern over just the idea of

1731
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,199
even selling a piece of land that the

1732
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:32,820
town owns um

1733
01:29:32,820 --> 01:29:34,560
you know regardless whether we're using

1734
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,480
it at the park I think the comprehensive

1735
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,760
plan outlined a need for additional

1736
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,340
Green Space and trees and you know

1737
01:29:41,340 --> 01:29:47,280
thinking about preserving some of that land feels uh feels important to me

1738
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:48,480
um

1739
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:51,600
as you said Pam right now it's trees and

1740
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,940
that acts as a buffer if we were to sell

1741
01:29:53,940 --> 01:29:54,960
it then we wouldn't have any control

1742
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,000
over what the next person could do with

1743
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,199
it I know that Mr um

1744
01:30:00,199 --> 01:30:02,760
Alexander Alexander

1745
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,800
um you know his vision for it sounds

1746
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,020
great and and sounds like a much better

1747
01:30:07,020 --> 01:30:09,480
use for the property than than it is

1748
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:10,679
right now

1749
01:30:10,679 --> 01:30:12,300
um my fear is though that you know what

1750
01:30:12,300 --> 01:30:15,000
happens next and and um and so even if

1751
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,800
we did nothing with it even if we didn't

1752
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,199
turn it into a pocket park I wonder if

1753
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:20,820
that's better than 10 years from now

1754
01:30:20,820 --> 01:30:24,600
seeing it seeing it uh clear-cut and and

1755
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:30,530
you know use for something else

1756
01:30:30,540 --> 01:30:32,880
there is the uh the kind of question

1757
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,860
mark around the greenway that Mr

1758
01:30:34,860 --> 01:30:37,139
Alexander has the easement for the

1759
01:30:37,139 --> 01:30:37,980
greenway

1760
01:30:37,980 --> 01:30:40,679
um through uh I guess it would come up

1761
01:30:40,679 --> 01:30:41,880
through

1762
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,100
Vice mayor's property if we were to

1763
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:46,139
follow the current plan I would come up

1764
01:30:46,139 --> 01:30:47,760
with the investigative property and then

1765
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,199
from Australia's English property and

1766
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:50,460
then into this property that we already

1767
01:30:50,460 --> 01:30:52,440
own and so we don't need an easement for

1768
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:54,179
property we already own but whether or

1769
01:30:54,179 --> 01:30:56,040
not he would be um

1770
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:02,100
willing to still give us an easement for his current property uh it's I guess

1771
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:03,420
a question

1772
01:31:03,420 --> 01:31:05,580
that I don't have an answer to you know

1773
01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:07,020
so it's nice to think that we could have

1774
01:31:07,020 --> 01:31:08,460
that he's been on the way all the way up

1775
01:31:08,460 --> 01:31:10,440
although if it floods as much as as

1776
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:12,600
we've all kind of seen and done research

1777
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,060
on I wonder how reasonable it is to

1778
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:18,719
think that we could have a Greenway there that it doesn't get

1779
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:23,270
washed out every couple of years anyway

1780
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:24,780
and would it be worth looking at that

1781
01:31:24,780 --> 01:31:26,760
feasibility

1782
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,280
as we consider this property I mean

1783
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,520
would would that Greenway

1784
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,440
I mean would that even be an option or

1785
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:36,840
if calculating into a decision because I

1786
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,460
think that's kind of my top priority

1787
01:31:38,460 --> 01:31:40,620
with this property is is the way that

1788
01:31:40,620 --> 01:31:42,360
this could Extend A Flat Creek Greenway

1789
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:43,679
and

1790
01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:46,129
um

1791
01:31:46,139 --> 01:31:49,970
so

1792
01:31:49,980 --> 01:31:51,719
I don't know that we have that answer

1793
01:31:51,719 --> 01:31:53,639
without without doing more research on

1794
01:31:53,639 --> 01:31:54,960
it

1795
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,699
I think I think the concerns are well

1796
01:31:56,699 --> 01:31:57,780
stated

1797
01:31:57,780 --> 01:32:00,120
tonight

1798
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,520
so we've worked Bill about his concerns

1799
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:04,320
on the value of it and of course then

1800
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,780
Doug just what he just gave um

1801
01:32:06,780 --> 01:32:09,179
and that we could you know ask the

1802
01:32:09,179 --> 01:32:11,040
gentleman

1803
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,020
people right away across his existing

1804
01:32:13,020 --> 01:32:14,280
property

1805
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:15,719
as possible

1806
01:32:15,719 --> 01:32:19,080
it's part of the contingency by this I

1807
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,080
believe he he shared a letter I think I

1808
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,639
saw somewhere that uh that said that if he were to purchase the property then

1809
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:30,300
he would yeah I get right away right across this

1810
01:32:30,300 --> 01:32:35,870
is

1811
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,920
in the letter that's the only reason I'm

1812
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,790
saying

1813
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,440
so so absolutely so we've got a chance

1814
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:45,780
for that so that's not a so as far as

1815
01:32:45,780 --> 01:32:47,219
the greenway guys The Greenway looks to

1816
01:32:47,219 --> 01:32:51,179
be taken care of it well I mean he's

1817
01:32:51,179 --> 01:32:53,520
offering this if we sell the property I

1818
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,820
think this is ability right I mean

1819
01:32:56,820 --> 01:32:59,159
I can't speak to the velocity of the

1820
01:32:59,159 --> 01:33:01,080
water coming through when it floods I

1821
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:02,280
mean there's a big difference between

1822
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,159
you know a gentle soaking of water a

1823
01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:08,689
versus rushing

1824
01:33:08,699 --> 01:33:11,880
but I I guess if he

1825
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:15,239
is willing to give and he's I mean he

1826
01:33:15,239 --> 01:33:17,340
spent whether we ever use it or not if

1827
01:33:17,340 --> 01:33:18,659
he gets it

1828
01:33:18,659 --> 01:33:21,060
it's secured

1829
01:33:21,060 --> 01:33:23,460
um whether you actually want it or it's

1830
01:33:23,460 --> 01:33:27,970
been usable right it is

1831
01:33:27,980 --> 01:33:30,120
so what I'm hearing good is that the

1832
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,280
right away seems to be taken care of as

1833
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,320
far as just actually having to be right

1834
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,080
away the value of the property seems to

1835
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:38,820
be in question if you're interested

1836
01:33:38,820 --> 01:33:42,649
astronaut

1837
01:33:42,659 --> 01:33:44,820
I'm happy to do either

1838
01:33:44,820 --> 01:33:48,590
y'all would like to do

1839
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,179
it sounds like really important ready to

1840
01:33:51,179 --> 01:33:53,159
act is that pretty much correct is that

1841
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:55,560
if we follow that and get the Brokers is

1842
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:57,860
there anything else we need to look into

1843
01:33:57,860 --> 01:34:01,080
before the next meeting then

1844
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:03,480
I would be curious

1845
01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:04,739
um

1846
01:34:04,739 --> 01:34:07,560
before we were to get a praise if

1847
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,739
there's consensus or interest in

1848
01:34:10,739 --> 01:34:13,440
actually if say the value came back at

1849
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:15,780
50 000 or whatever we were interested in

1850
01:34:15,780 --> 01:34:17,940
selling it at that point there

1851
01:34:17,940 --> 01:34:18,900
yeah

1852
01:34:18,900 --> 01:34:21,840
to me it's the value the money we get

1853
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,639
out of it's not the determining Factor

1854
01:34:23,639 --> 01:34:26,699
as much whether it's 35 or 15. I mean

1855
01:34:26,699 --> 01:34:30,060
it's money I get it but um

1856
01:34:30,060 --> 01:34:32,280
I think your argument was persuasive

1857
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,620
about even if we never do anything to it

1858
01:34:34,620 --> 01:34:38,689
we still own it

1859
01:34:38,699 --> 01:34:41,639
I found that um to be

1860
01:34:41,639 --> 01:34:47,510
really persuasive to me

1861
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,460
well is zero motion

1862
01:34:50,460 --> 01:34:52,500
should put this to bed one way or the

1863
01:34:52,500 --> 01:34:54,649
other

1864
01:34:54,659 --> 01:34:56,820
I would move to uh

1865
01:34:56,820 --> 01:34:58,560
do not

1866
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,960
entertain the selling of this property

1867
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:06,600
and thank Mr Alexander for the offer and again it's nothing against his idea

1868
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,280
and proposal I think it's great but I

1869
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:09,420
think

1870
01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:11,820
okay so that's a form of emotion yes

1871
01:35:11,820 --> 01:35:12,780
okay

1872
01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:15,239
any more discussion

1873
01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:18,780
all right all in favor of selling the

1874
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:20,820
property

1875
01:35:20,820 --> 01:35:26,930
you know just all in all along

1876
01:35:26,940 --> 01:35:29,060
getting corn fused

1877
01:35:29,060 --> 01:35:31,860
so all those that they were not selling

1878
01:35:31,860 --> 01:35:33,960
the property

1879
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,000
well should we do the motion of selling

1880
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,040
it and then I can vote no is that what

1881
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:39,500
we should do

1882
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:44,600
no motion to reject the other motion

1883
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,159
you make that much I'd make that that

1884
01:35:47,159 --> 01:35:49,620
motion all in favor of that motion all

1885
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:54,310
right opposed

1886
01:35:54,320 --> 01:36:01,199
all right next is the storm water

1887
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:04,139
management utility Enterprise fund you

1888
01:36:04,139 --> 01:36:05,880
know call up our finance director Tammy

1889
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,229
Holland to lead us through this

1890
01:36:09,239 --> 01:36:17,450
things

1891
01:36:17,460 --> 01:36:20,159
mayor board we are

1892
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:21,440
um presenting

1893
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:23,520
amendments to the school and water

1894
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,199
ordinance

1895
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,440
um there is a lot of

1896
01:36:28,440 --> 01:36:31,139
red striking I'm sure that you saw from

1897
01:36:31,139 --> 01:36:34,800
the attorneys previous ordinance where

1898
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,719
we made changes

1899
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:39,000
a lot of those changes were just in the

1900
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,520
flow of of the ordinance in itself

1901
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,219
that's why there was so many

1902
01:36:44,219 --> 01:36:48,060
um the major part of the ordinance

1903
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:50,100
um that I wanted to make sure that you

1904
01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:53,639
were aware of was the changing of the

1905
01:36:53,639 --> 01:36:55,679
collection and the billing of the

1906
01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:57,960
stormwater fees

1907
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,239
with the ordinance the storm water

1908
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,400
utility fees would be assessed monthly

1909
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,380
instead of yearly

1910
01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:05,940
the billing and collection of the

1911
01:37:05,940 --> 01:37:08,159
charges and fees related to storm water

1912
01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:10,380
would be administered by myself the

1913
01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:12,420
finance director

1914
01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:15,300
the stormwater charges will be billed to

1915
01:37:15,300 --> 01:37:17,719
the customer receiving the service

1916
01:37:17,719 --> 01:37:20,340
currently they are all billed to the

1917
01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:22,679
property owner

1918
01:37:22,679 --> 01:37:25,139
um with this change they would be to

1919
01:37:25,139 --> 01:37:28,500
whoever is regarding at that property if

1920
01:37:28,500 --> 01:37:33,960
the person that is um if there is not a

1921
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:35,520
utility service there if they don't have

1922
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,920
water and sewer to us then it would be

1923
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,139
billed to the property owner and that

1924
01:37:40,139 --> 01:37:42,179
would be able to be billed at a monthly

1925
01:37:42,179 --> 01:37:44,760
service rate also through the Utility

1926
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,810
Billing System

1927
01:37:47,820 --> 01:37:49,080
um

1928
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:54,659
the uh when the charges if someone pays

1929
01:37:54,659 --> 01:37:56,880
um less than the payment is due on our

1930
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,679
utility bill the payments would be

1931
01:37:58,679 --> 01:38:00,840
applied first to the delinquent

1932
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,780
stormwater fees then to the delinquents

1933
01:38:03,780 --> 01:38:06,540
Water and Sewer fees then the current

1934
01:38:06,540 --> 01:38:09,120
stormwater fees then the current water

1935
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,580
and sewer charges

1936
01:38:11,580 --> 01:38:13,500
the disconnection of utility service

1937
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:15,900
resulting from unpaid fees and charges

1938
01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:17,699
will be handled

1939
01:38:17,699 --> 01:38:19,260
um according to our current Utility

1940
01:38:19,260 --> 01:38:22,500
Billing policy and procedures

1941
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:25,139
stormwater charges are the subject to

1942
01:38:25,139 --> 01:38:26,639
the phase penalties and collection

1943
01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:29,100
methods outlined in our utility billing

1944
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:30,120
process

1945
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,960
that we currently use

1946
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:36,960
that is the major changes I believe in

1947
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,719
the ordinance and ranking

1948
01:38:39,719 --> 01:38:41,880
yeah it's it looks like a lot of change

1949
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,340
but the real change is the small part of

1950
01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:48,890
the building collection

1951
01:38:48,900 --> 01:38:50,340
is there any

1952
01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:53,639
questions comments so it would be build

1953
01:38:53,639 --> 01:38:56,890
monthly yes

1954
01:38:56,900 --> 01:38:59,159
it's done monthly

1955
01:38:59,159 --> 01:39:02,400
um if if the customer does not have a

1956
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,320
utility bill they're welcome to pay the

1957
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,139
whole amount and we just use that credit

1958
01:39:07,139 --> 01:39:09,900
right and to offset that charge each

1959
01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:11,880
month

1960
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,699
um it will like if they have a 72 dollar

1961
01:39:14,699 --> 01:39:16,440
storm water bill then it's gonna be six

1962
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:19,860
dollars a month on their water bill

1963
01:39:19,860 --> 01:39:22,320
so hopefully it would help

1964
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,179
some of the financial burden that people

1965
01:39:24,179 --> 01:39:26,940
have and they will also be subject to if

1966
01:39:26,940 --> 01:39:29,340
they need financial assistance they're

1967
01:39:29,340 --> 01:39:32,639
able to uh to reach out to sources for

1968
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:34,620
that which they currently cannot do with

1969
01:39:34,620 --> 01:39:37,679
the stormwater charged separately

1970
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:39,600
explain that a little bit more details

1971
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:40,920
so

1972
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,620
um there is non-profit organizations

1973
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:45,480
that help customers with their utility

1974
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:47,520
bill if they have a financial hardship

1975
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,060
with the storm water bill is built on

1976
01:39:51,060 --> 01:39:54,000
the utility bill then those agencies

1977
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,860
would also help pay that stormwater Bill

1978
01:39:55,860 --> 01:39:59,460
if the customers reached out

1979
01:39:59,460 --> 01:40:02,760
this original order was passed what that

1980
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:08,159
thing here May 11 2020. sounds right so

1981
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:11,880
that's been about two years three years

1982
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:14,940
yeah 21. okay and when we started when

1983
01:40:14,940 --> 01:40:18,540
we started building the stormwater fees

1984
01:40:18,540 --> 01:40:19,260
um

1985
01:40:19,260 --> 01:40:22,320
we did not have a way to add the

1986
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,900
stormwater fees to our utility

1987
01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:27,420
program at the time because we've

1988
01:40:27,420 --> 01:40:28,920
changed softwares now we have that

1989
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:30,480
ability

1990
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:32,840
and I will tell you that researching it

1991
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:36,300
the school of government did

1992
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:39,719
a study and 60 percent of the

1993
01:40:39,719 --> 01:40:42,179
municipalities charged stormwater fees

1994
01:40:42,179 --> 01:40:44,219
on the utility bills

1995
01:40:44,219 --> 01:40:49,320
um 20 20 odd percent did it on property

1996
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:50,820
tax bills

1997
01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:53,280
and then you had about 10 percent that

1998
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:54,780
was standalone

1999
01:40:54,780 --> 01:40:57,960
and those 10 that were Standalone they

2000
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,719
were mostly municipalities that did not

2001
01:41:00,719 --> 01:41:04,199
have a were not able to Bill utilities

2002
01:41:04,199 --> 01:41:06,540
or their taxes they were done by

2003
01:41:06,540 --> 01:41:09,060
probably the county so they did not have

2004
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:12,900
a way to attach those bills to those the

2005
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:17,350
stormwater bills to those existing bills

2006
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,219
I just just reading through this because

2007
01:41:20,219 --> 01:41:21,960
this was passed before I was on the

2008
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:23,159
board here

2009
01:41:23,159 --> 01:41:25,560
it says all developed land in the town

2010
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:26,880
where the public proprietor should be

2011
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:28,980
subject I mean subjected to a storm

2012
01:41:28,980 --> 01:41:30,600
water service charge set up a Town

2013
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,000
Council and then we look over here and

2014
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,960
we see tier four and tier four says each

2015
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:38,520
partial own but the title black mountain

2016
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:39,780
state of North Carolina or the United

2017
01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:41,460
States of America

2018
01:41:41,460 --> 01:41:42,600
oh

2019
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,820
why would it even be in there

2020
01:41:44,820 --> 01:41:48,840
because the legislature said so

2021
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:52,440
yeah we can't we can't we can't charge

2022
01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:54,840
this we can't charge the state we can't

2023
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:57,239
charge the feds and to charge ourselves

2024
01:41:57,239 --> 01:41:58,320
if we take that out of our right hand

2025
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,300
pocket put it or left yeah but the state

2026
01:42:00,300 --> 01:42:02,100
and feds are Exempted whether we like it

2027
01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:06,780
or not and so we're calling this this is this is a thing

2028
01:42:06,780 --> 01:42:09,360
it's a utility team so it's a utility

2029
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,560
piece so all the different private uh

2030
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,060
non-profit organizations well patients

2031
01:42:15,060 --> 01:42:20,820
also have to have to pay that's correct okay uh how much isn't

2032
01:42:20,820 --> 01:42:24,129
the fun now

2033
01:42:24,139 --> 01:42:27,239
so you know

2034
01:42:27,239 --> 01:42:30,239
the first year we got 350 000 okay now

2035
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:32,040
that's not in the fund that pays for

2036
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:33,840
salaries it pays for

2037
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,659
Insurance it pays for materials so that

2038
01:42:36,659 --> 01:42:38,940
whole budget information we have one

2039
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:41,400
full-time employee however there are

2040
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,739
many other employees that get their

2041
01:42:43,739 --> 01:42:45,000
salaries allocated to that department

2042
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,679
because they do storm water work like

2043
01:42:46,679 --> 01:42:49,199
Jamie's crew cleaning out storm drains

2044
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:51,480
picking up leads we have to record all

2045
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:52,739
that information and send it to the

2046
01:42:52,739 --> 01:42:55,080
state every bit of it so could you give

2047
01:42:55,080 --> 01:43:00,850
me a copy of that how that's broken down

2048
01:43:00,860 --> 01:43:04,440
I'm sorry to interrupt um so in 22 we

2049
01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:06,840
had approximately 10 percent

2050
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,040
um of the stormwater bills that were

2051
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:10,679
unpaid that was about forty thousand so

2052
01:43:10,679 --> 01:43:12,540
far this year we have about 30 percent

2053
01:43:12,540 --> 01:43:16,560
that's unpaid about 108 000. so we have

2054
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,500
a total of 148 000 unpaid stormwater

2055
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:24,239
fees and we have no way to really

2056
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:29,400
um collect those because there's no recourse if people do not pay

2057
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,739
currently

2058
01:43:31,739 --> 01:43:34,209
um

2059
01:43:34,219 --> 01:43:38,280
well yeah we can eventually but

2060
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:39,179
um

2061
01:43:39,179 --> 01:43:40,920
it's sort of we can't say well we're

2062
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:42,780
going to cut off your storm water we

2063
01:43:42,780 --> 01:43:46,020
can't stop it from raining so

2064
01:43:46,020 --> 01:43:48,900
um there's if we send it to collections

2065
01:43:48,900 --> 01:43:51,239
I mean

2066
01:43:51,239 --> 01:43:53,639
a lot of them also we can't send it to

2067
01:43:53,639 --> 01:43:55,260
collections unless the Bill's over fifty

2068
01:43:55,260 --> 01:43:56,400
dollars

2069
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:57,719
so

2070
01:43:57,719 --> 01:43:59,580
um you also have the fees associated

2071
01:43:59,580 --> 01:44:02,520
with that on top you know

2072
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:06,360
the staff's time of having to do all

2073
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:09,420
that could you explain then that D part

2074
01:44:09,420 --> 01:44:12,360
the combined utility bill built because

2075
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,900
it sounds like from what what I read it

2076
01:44:14,900 --> 01:44:16,980
that the first amount of money that

2077
01:44:16,980 --> 01:44:18,540
anyone pay would go towards their

2078
01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:21,900
delinquent fee so and so that would mean

2079
01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:26,760
then that if they did want to pay their six dollars they would still it

2080
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:28,199
would probably be six dollars short on

2081
01:44:28,199 --> 01:44:31,320
their water bills

2082
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:35,159
is that that way that's the way it reads

2083
01:44:35,159 --> 01:44:35,810
that's correct

2084
01:44:35,810 --> 01:44:38,280
[Applause]

2085
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:41,639
so that's sort of giving us the um the

2086
01:44:41,639 --> 01:44:43,500
utility service because we can

2087
01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:45,239
disconnect the water we can't disconnect

2088
01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:47,460
storm water but

2089
01:44:47,460 --> 01:44:49,139
um but now that that's going to be built

2090
01:44:49,139 --> 01:44:51,300
on all the same bill we can disconnect

2091
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:54,239
for that yes that's what I would hope

2092
01:44:54,239 --> 01:44:56,280
that sometimes we would look at this fee

2093
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,080
especially considering how much money

2094
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,340
that we got

2095
01:44:59,340 --> 01:45:00,900
especially professionally coming here

2096
01:45:00,900 --> 01:45:03,719
that's for one project Mr

2097
01:45:03,719 --> 01:45:06,780
system but that 5.4 million dollars is

2098
01:45:06,780 --> 01:45:07,800
one project

2099
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:10,560
it was it's big money but it came with

2100
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:11,960
strings

2101
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,239
we're not just sitting there sitting on

2102
01:45:15,239 --> 01:45:18,360
that money one um one other thing is

2103
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:20,880
that it's got here that uh

2104
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,100
the plane director should prepare a

2105
01:45:23,100 --> 01:45:24,900
storm water credit incentive manual

2106
01:45:24,900 --> 01:45:26,100
setting forward the appropriate credit

2107
01:45:26,100 --> 01:45:27,840
applications process though to build a

2108
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,159
criteria extended upon which such

2109
01:45:29,159 --> 01:45:31,560
credits are given after we do we have

2110
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,000
that we do not have that ready yet we

2111
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,600
are working on that

2112
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,040
just put forward it's not immediate with

2113
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:39,380
the rest of it

2114
01:45:39,380 --> 01:45:42,000
understanding we need to collect a

2115
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:44,340
couple years of data before there was a

2116
01:45:44,340 --> 01:45:46,500
means of coming up with a formula of how

2117
01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:48,780
to credit somebody if they put in say

2118
01:45:48,780 --> 01:45:51,420
devices that control storm water just

2119
01:45:51,420 --> 01:45:52,739
didn't have the information to create

2120
01:45:52,739 --> 01:45:54,540
that formula yet

2121
01:45:54,540 --> 01:45:56,639
so so at some point in the future that

2122
01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:58,560
we're going to be debating that and we

2123
01:45:58,560 --> 01:45:59,940
could be debating some other stuff too

2124
01:45:59,940 --> 01:46:02,580
like folks that put in a rain Garden are

2125
01:46:02,580 --> 01:46:04,880
still being charged seven to two dollars

2126
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:08,580
yet yet they've got to pay each year or

2127
01:46:08,580 --> 01:46:11,040
every other every third year to have it

2128
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:12,540
that's correct tense manual that's

2129
01:46:12,540 --> 01:46:14,520
correct which is by law that's not

2130
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:20,510
something we created

2131
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,860
so as proposed we have the room to

2132
01:46:22,860 --> 01:46:28,440
explore that Nuance down the road once staff has enough information to

2133
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:30,600
start presenting you with a formula and

2134
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,540
you can look at those difference

2135
01:46:33,540 --> 01:46:35,699
control devices and see what effect

2136
01:46:35,699 --> 01:46:37,679
they're having yeah how much benefits

2137
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:39,719
your system that's stormwater utility

2138
01:46:39,719 --> 01:46:41,280
doesn't just pay for keeping the water

2139
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:45,000
clean push the devices do uh it's a it's

2140
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,340
a matter of everything in our storm

2141
01:46:47,340 --> 01:46:49,619
water completely drainage conveyances

2142
01:46:49,619 --> 01:46:50,940
and everything

2143
01:46:50,940 --> 01:46:52,619
did this go in front of the planner

2144
01:46:52,619 --> 01:46:55,440
board for them to talk about no sir no

2145
01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:58,320
sir

2146
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,000
it's not required to so we did not say

2147
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,129
anything

2148
01:47:03,139 --> 01:47:05,699
I mean they're they're recommending

2149
01:47:05,699 --> 01:47:08,580
board to this to this Council they are I

2150
01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:13,310
think for them to this is

2151
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:17,520
this was not done when there were many meetings and a huge amount of

2152
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,280
discussion and many reports and studies

2153
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:24,169
it was not well

2154
01:47:24,179 --> 01:47:27,360
this particular issue here I I think it

2155
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,040
makes a lot of sense it makes it a lot

2156
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,260
easier and

2157
01:47:31,260 --> 01:47:34,860
will streamline it if I'm not mistaken

2158
01:47:34,860 --> 01:47:37,139
we we

2159
01:47:37,139 --> 01:47:40,560
constructed like several months ago to

2160
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,080
make this shift from

2161
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,239
to monthly so this is just implementing

2162
01:47:45,239 --> 01:47:47,760
what we discussed it has to be approved

2163
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,430
by the board please

2164
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:53,639
as long as we're here can I ask a

2165
01:47:53,639 --> 01:47:55,440
question I'm not sure if it's you

2166
01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:59,219
but in the tier system

2167
01:47:59,219 --> 01:48:02,940
does the same does a little business say

2168
01:48:02,940 --> 01:48:05,340
downtown pay the same rate as say a

2169
01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:09,060
giant structures they angles

2170
01:48:09,060 --> 01:48:10,380
so which

2171
01:48:10,380 --> 01:48:16,490
where do they evolve

2172
01:48:16,500 --> 01:48:18,239
your large places like Ingles or a big

2173
01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:20,820
strip mall development falls into that

2174
01:48:20,820 --> 01:48:23,580
um to that higher category which is more

2175
01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:25,980
than your your bank or your dentist

2176
01:48:25,980 --> 01:48:32,030
office

2177
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:34,380
yeah Industrial

2178
01:48:34,380 --> 01:48:36,920
heavy industrial including

2179
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:39,119
asphalt lining warehousing and

2180
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:40,920
processing facilities that includes

2181
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,380
angles grocery store no I'm not talking

2182
01:48:43,380 --> 01:48:44,760
about the Distribution Center the

2183
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:46,800
grocery store

2184
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,080
it used to say

2185
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:52,260
um it would have the like strip malls

2186
01:48:52,260 --> 01:48:54,139
style large

2187
01:48:54,139 --> 01:48:58,679
retail large retail development

2188
01:48:58,679 --> 01:49:01,139
they have a bit distorted didn't assess

2189
01:49:01,139 --> 01:49:03,540
that higher rate

2190
01:49:03,540 --> 01:49:05,699
I guess I just didn't see retail in here

2191
01:49:05,699 --> 01:49:10,629
it was all about asphalt and lining

2192
01:49:10,639 --> 01:49:13,199
is retail established

2193
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:15,540
right tier two would be more like a

2194
01:49:15,540 --> 01:49:24,229
little downtown places right yes

2195
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:26,159
you can make that text move around like

2196
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:28,139
the Ingalls has been assessed the larger

2197
01:49:28,139 --> 01:49:29,880
rate instead had all those larger strip

2198
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:32,940
malls there are five or seven of them I

2199
01:49:32,940 --> 01:49:34,380
can think of all time that have been

2200
01:49:34,380 --> 01:49:36,300
assessed and made that higher rate well

2201
01:49:36,300 --> 01:49:38,040
I just wondered because I've been asked

2202
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,199
and um I want to make sure we weren't

2203
01:49:40,199 --> 01:49:41,760
charging we'll see if you store downtown

2204
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:47,229
the same as yeah

2205
01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:49,920
it's a little Charming sports that's

2206
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,669
what I know

2207
01:49:52,679 --> 01:50:00,709
they are

2208
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:03,780
we we will clear up the language in that

2209
01:50:03,780 --> 01:50:06,360
um in the motion for this if you want

2210
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,280
that it's an easy thing to do I also

2211
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:11,580
wanted to check about a date effective

2212
01:50:11,580 --> 01:50:13,080
for this

2213
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:16,440
May 11th 2020 was the just acknowledging

2214
01:50:16,440 --> 01:50:18,300
that we needed to have a stormwater

2215
01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:21,890
program

2216
01:50:21,900 --> 01:50:26,420
well isn't it January 1 2024 the new

2217
01:50:26,420 --> 01:50:29,219
you know that question about um

2218
01:50:29,219 --> 01:50:31,980
starting monthly that we would have an

2219
01:50:31,980 --> 01:50:33,480
interim period

2220
01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:35,699
between now and when this becomes

2221
01:50:35,699 --> 01:50:38,940
affected where we send out another round

2222
01:50:38,940 --> 01:50:42,300
of final final for really like amnesty

2223
01:50:42,300 --> 01:50:45,480
period uh anything that is over fifty

2224
01:50:45,480 --> 01:50:46,860
dollars

2225
01:50:46,860 --> 01:50:48,960
um to or actually for everybody I'm

2226
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:50,460
sorry hundreds of dollars for everybody

2227
01:50:50,460 --> 01:50:52,860
to try to see people who can catch up

2228
01:50:52,860 --> 01:50:56,340
before the this all becomes effective

2229
01:50:56,340 --> 01:50:59,040
we have been gearing up for that so we

2230
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:00,480
were hoping for it I think we're going

2231
01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:02,940
to discussed a date effective

2232
01:51:02,940 --> 01:51:06,540
um sometime between now and August 20 60

2233
01:51:06,540 --> 01:51:08,040
days

2234
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:11,820
um for people to get called up for this

2235
01:51:11,820 --> 01:51:14,450
prospective

2236
01:51:14,460 --> 01:51:17,699
so if we add something to the motion

2237
01:51:17,699 --> 01:51:20,100
like retail over a certain square

2238
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:23,159
footage is that appropriate I would do

2239
01:51:23,159 --> 01:51:25,440
we do descriptors of like strip mall

2240
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:27,060
development

2241
01:51:27,060 --> 01:51:30,239
um big box there's this or more helpful

2242
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:40,070
okay to tierify

2243
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:43,320
so if if someone is behind on their

2244
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,219
payments now when this goes into effect

2245
01:51:46,219 --> 01:51:49,020
if that whatever their they owe will be

2246
01:51:49,020 --> 01:51:51,420
on that next utility bill so if they

2247
01:51:51,420 --> 01:51:54,659
haven't paid the 70. 72 and that will be

2248
01:51:54,659 --> 01:51:56,639
added to their first utility bills we

2249
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:58,380
make an add it but we wouldn't be able

2250
01:51:58,380 --> 01:52:00,600
to disconnect the water services because

2251
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,360
of it because this is happening after

2252
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,840
okay so none of the

2253
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:08,940
okay they could go to collection they

2254
01:52:08,940 --> 01:52:10,440
can still go to collections but we

2255
01:52:10,440 --> 01:52:12,239
wouldn't be able to follow

2256
01:52:12,239 --> 01:52:14,460
their their payment coming in being

2257
01:52:14,460 --> 01:52:17,940
applied to that first rule on those so

2258
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:20,520
what two months three months

2259
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,920
something like that before that one kick

2260
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:24,780
in

2261
01:52:24,780 --> 01:52:27,600
yes and so it's it's gonna look me now

2262
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,780
so into July versus August the date

2263
01:52:30,780 --> 01:52:33,540
affected would be and what are the the

2264
01:52:33,540 --> 01:52:37,940
five uh charges for tier one three five

2265
01:52:37,940 --> 01:52:42,300
tier one sorry the costs yeah the tier

2266
01:52:42,300 --> 01:52:45,659
one is 72 dollars tier two is 240 and

2267
01:52:45,659 --> 01:52:47,340
you have

2268
01:52:47,340 --> 01:52:49,020
um undeveloped which is nothing and you

2269
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:50,520
have certain categories that represent

2270
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,860
those places that we cannot compel

2271
01:52:52,860 --> 01:52:55,860
payment and then you have the the more

2272
01:52:55,860 --> 01:52:57,540
intense reason that's

2273
01:52:57,540 --> 01:53:00,780
well what is it

2274
01:53:00,780 --> 01:53:05,470
it's 1200 a year

2275
01:53:05,480 --> 01:53:09,540
and that's part of our budget right

2276
01:53:09,540 --> 01:53:11,940
so that that's in the fee schedule and

2277
01:53:11,940 --> 01:53:14,820
it's been the same since it was starting

2278
01:53:14,820 --> 01:53:17,760
but so this next billing cycle for the

2279
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:23,100
utility bill will it starts when August that's what we've been sending

2280
01:53:23,100 --> 01:53:25,380
them out okay the new ones have been

2281
01:53:25,380 --> 01:53:29,330
going out in August okay

2282
01:53:29,340 --> 01:53:30,920
yeah

2283
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:33,780
so if we pass it today you're asking for

2284
01:53:33,780 --> 01:53:34,800
the grace period you're gonna pass it

2285
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:36,360
today next month's bill wouldn't have

2286
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:39,659
the six dollars that's right okay

2287
01:53:39,659 --> 01:53:41,880
thank you we originally tried to follow

2288
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:43,139
like the tax schedule because we were

2289
01:53:43,139 --> 01:53:45,239
running on a calendar year and now we

2290
01:53:45,239 --> 01:53:47,820
will be able to run to August and then

2291
01:53:47,820 --> 01:53:54,129
that won't matter anymore

2292
01:53:54,139 --> 01:53:56,300
questions

2293
01:53:56,300 --> 01:54:05,290
your emotion I just died

2294
01:54:05,300 --> 01:54:12,169
I move we approve and it's presented

2295
01:54:12,179 --> 01:54:14,840
or any more discussion

2296
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:17,460
we could add the language around a large

2297
01:54:17,460 --> 01:54:21,060
hotel as amended

2298
01:54:21,060 --> 01:54:23,100
and are we putting in this 60-day

2299
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:24,960
amnesty period to

2300
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:26,400
does that become part of this document

2301
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,820
as well maybe become effective

2302
01:54:28,820 --> 01:54:31,990
it's

2303
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,340
the I don't think this bill is just a

2304
01:54:35,340 --> 01:54:37,560
drastic amending it the 60-day grace

2305
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:40,320
period is basically what staff have had

2306
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:41,760
apparently we've been sit on the board

2307
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,739
is going to get people so we can get

2308
01:54:43,739 --> 01:54:46,080
those past dudes caught up that I

2309
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:47,660
haven't got a collection

2310
01:54:47,660 --> 01:55:03,250
[Music]

2311
01:55:03,260 --> 01:55:05,340
so that's what's

2312
01:55:05,340 --> 01:55:08,159
on the motion also

2313
01:55:08,159 --> 01:55:10,560
any more discussion

2314
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:14,930
I'm David

2315
01:55:14,940 --> 01:55:24,129
all right next

2316
01:55:24,139 --> 01:55:26,699
item will be the bill of Honor Parade

2317
01:55:26,699 --> 01:55:28,679
Kiwanis Club of Black Mountain just want

2318
01:55:28,679 --> 01:55:30,420
to know uh and I have

2319
01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:32,100
a few folks here that want to talk to

2320
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:35,040
Mandy please come up

2321
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:49,149
and address mayor and Council

2322
01:55:49,159 --> 01:55:53,760
I'm Lynn deese uh 127 Fairway Drive and

2323
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:54,960
current president of Black Mountain

2324
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:58,139
Swannanoa Kiwanis Club we are sponsoring

2325
01:55:58,139 --> 01:56:02,100
a field of Honor in September first time

2326
01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:05,100
we've tried this community project and

2327
01:56:05,100 --> 01:56:07,020
it's been very successful in other

2328
01:56:07,020 --> 01:56:10,760
places we are working with a non-profit

2329
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:15,380
Colonial Flag Foundation to get

2330
01:56:15,380 --> 01:56:19,199
103 by five foot flags on eight foot

2331
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:21,900
poles flagstaffs and they'll be up in

2332
01:56:21,900 --> 01:56:24,360
the lot between the Methodist Church and

2333
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,639
harwood's home funerals

2334
01:56:26,639 --> 01:56:29,580
so it'll be right in the center of town

2335
01:56:29,580 --> 01:56:32,580
we would like to have a parade for the

2336
01:56:32,580 --> 01:56:36,119
kickoff uh opening session of it which

2337
01:56:36,119 --> 01:56:39,119
will be September 11th and this um

2338
01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:41,460
Colonial Flag Foundation was founded

2339
01:56:41,460 --> 01:56:44,400
because they wanted to honor the uh

2340
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:47,400
victims of September 11. when the

2341
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,380
terrorist bombed the brought down the

2342
01:56:49,380 --> 01:56:51,360
towers in New York so this has been

2343
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:53,520
going on for about 20 years and we want

2344
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:56,340
to bring this here it will be uh we'll

2345
01:56:56,340 --> 01:56:59,400
be honoring all of our veterans living

2346
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:02,040
or dead active duty military First

2347
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:05,040
Responders including police and fire and

2348
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:06,480
EMS

2349
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:09,179
uh with with Flack anybody who wants to

2350
01:57:09,179 --> 01:57:11,280
get a flag for someone that they'd like

2351
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:14,760
to honor and we need permission to have

2352
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,099
a parade from

2353
01:57:17,099 --> 01:57:21,000
um Tractor Supply down to the lot there

2354
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:25,070
at Harwood home for funerals

2355
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:27,239
I think you have a letter

2356
01:57:27,239 --> 01:57:30,470
from from us

2357
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:34,260
you just remind the board real quick if the board decides they want to go

2358
01:57:34,260 --> 01:57:36,860
through this we staff will put together

2359
01:57:36,860 --> 01:57:39,060
essentially an ordinance that we need to

2360
01:57:39,060 --> 01:57:40,980
send to dot for them to bless they have

2361
01:57:40,980 --> 01:57:42,300
to look over it and make sure they're

2362
01:57:42,300 --> 01:57:44,639
okay with it and then it would and that

2363
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:46,320
would be I think you have to give 60

2364
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:48,119
days to them to do that so that would

2365
01:57:48,119 --> 01:57:51,179
give us enough time for them to comment

2366
01:57:51,179 --> 01:57:53,159
but we really we don't know what they're

2367
01:57:53,159 --> 01:57:54,540
going to say until we submit it to them

2368
01:57:54,540 --> 01:57:55,679
so

2369
01:57:55,679 --> 01:57:57,900
I moved it we go ahead and approve this

2370
01:57:57,900 --> 01:57:59,880
request

2371
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:03,709
very good any discussion

2372
01:58:03,719 --> 01:58:05,639
thank you thank you my only suggestion

2373
01:58:05,639 --> 01:58:06,960
is

2374
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:09,900
perhaps before traffic's really bad oh

2375
01:58:09,900 --> 01:58:11,460
we are we're looking at one o'clock

2376
01:58:11,460 --> 01:58:13,320
because we will get some of our uh

2377
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:15,540
student uh service leadership programs

2378
01:58:15,540 --> 01:58:17,520
at Kawana sponsors and schools involved

2379
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:20,460
with Owen High and elements Elementary

2380
01:58:20,460 --> 01:58:26,450
School and yeah

2381
01:58:26,460 --> 01:58:29,219
I'm not seeing any other discussion all

2382
01:58:29,219 --> 01:58:32,520
in favor all right opposed very good

2383
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:40,390
thank you good project thank you

2384
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:43,619
next item is our public hearing a public

2385
01:58:43,619 --> 01:58:45,300
hearing for voluntary annexation for a

2386
01:58:45,300 --> 01:58:46,860
portion of property owned by events and

2387
01:58:46,860 --> 01:58:49,260
maybe Snelling for this

2388
01:58:49,260 --> 01:58:59,990
that's 23 opening

2389
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:03,900
we got some Republican okay so um we're

2390
01:59:03,900 --> 01:59:05,400
gonna be talking about two things back

2391
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:07,560
to back I don't want to confuse them and

2392
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:09,060
there's a lot of potential for legal

2393
01:59:09,060 --> 01:59:10,380
jargon to happen I'm going to try to

2394
01:59:10,380 --> 01:59:12,540
steer clear of it

2395
01:59:12,540 --> 01:59:13,380
um

2396
01:59:13,380 --> 01:59:16,739
so the annexation is the area that is in

2397
01:59:16,739 --> 01:59:21,780
blue it is about 1.36 acres and the

2398
01:59:21,780 --> 01:59:25,440
parent parcel is 8.41 Acres it's a North

2399
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:26,880
Fork Road and you see in Holly Avenue

2400
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:28,320
right there

2401
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:30,060
um and so the rest of it is out in the

2402
01:59:30,060 --> 01:59:32,580
county and the applicant wishes for this

2403
01:59:32,580 --> 01:59:34,320
lower section

2404
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:37,080
um to be holy within the town limits

2405
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:39,179
just like the little triangle funny part

2406
01:59:39,179 --> 01:59:41,760
at the top is in town limits how the

2407
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:44,400
town limit line came to be at this angle

2408
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,800
I don't know the answer to that

2409
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:49,619
um but that that diagonal line does

2410
01:59:49,619 --> 01:59:52,080
create some an odd little configuration

2411
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:55,199
there that they're seeking to rectify

2412
01:59:55,199 --> 01:59:57,239
um you will see that there are three

2413
01:59:57,239 --> 01:59:59,520
lots proposed there

2414
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:02,280
um don't let that that's not up for

2415
02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:04,619
approval that's not something that can

2416
02:00:04,619 --> 02:00:07,199
be considered in your vote for

2417
02:00:07,199 --> 02:00:10,560
annexation or zoning decision

2418
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:11,280
um

2419
02:00:11,280 --> 02:00:14,400
so the applicant

2420
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:16,199
um like Josh said events and Libby

2421
02:00:16,199 --> 02:00:18,300
Snelling um they made these they've

2422
02:00:18,300 --> 02:00:19,500
submitted this application went to

2423
02:00:19,500 --> 02:00:20,820
planning board planning board does not

2424
02:00:20,820 --> 02:00:22,500
make a vote on annexation they just make

2425
02:00:22,500 --> 02:00:24,239
comment and they felt that this was a

2426
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:26,699
reasonable thing um for you all to

2427
02:00:26,699 --> 02:00:29,460
consider I did once yeah

2428
02:00:29,460 --> 02:00:31,380
I was confused because the resigning

2429
02:00:31,380 --> 02:00:34,199
worksheets blank from the zone

2430
02:00:34,199 --> 02:00:36,540
that's it's the where we're doing

2431
02:00:36,540 --> 02:00:41,629
annexation it's okay but

2432
02:00:41,639 --> 02:00:45,080
all right step one annexation

2433
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:49,010
same questions

2434
02:00:49,020 --> 02:00:50,580
yeah it's y'all that's y'all's to fill

2435
02:00:50,580 --> 02:00:52,440
out

2436
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:54,599
so I just want to point out that elevate

2437
02:00:54,599 --> 02:00:55,800
Black Mountain our comprehensive plan

2438
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:57,719
does provide guidance for criteria when

2439
02:00:57,719 --> 02:00:59,280
you're talking about other service

2440
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,400
extensions or um annexation criteria

2441
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:03,780
um I think there are nine of those there

2442
02:01:03,780 --> 02:01:05,760
are three that are most relevant to this

2443
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:08,099
particular application and that is that

2444
02:01:08,099 --> 02:01:09,599
it aligns with the comprehensive plan

2445
02:01:09,599 --> 02:01:11,340
and the future land use map of the

2446
02:01:11,340 --> 02:01:12,719
mountain residential area which is

2447
02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:16,020
primarily residential in nature the

2448
02:01:16,020 --> 02:01:18,060
proposed area makes for more contiguous

2449
02:01:18,060 --> 02:01:20,280
and reasonable Town limits which I would

2450
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,500
argue that currently or not either of

2451
02:01:22,500 --> 02:01:23,639
those things

2452
02:01:23,639 --> 02:01:25,920
um and the Newtown boundary is um more

2453
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,420
logical

2454
02:01:27,420 --> 02:01:29,760
um and that it is also contiguous

2455
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:31,440
obviously to the existing this is not a

2456
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:32,940
satellite annexation

2457
02:01:32,940 --> 02:01:35,699
so those three criteria fully met

2458
02:01:35,699 --> 02:01:40,330
um with within this request

2459
02:01:40,340 --> 02:01:43,139
that's it the lots that are on the left

2460
02:01:43,139 --> 02:01:46,199
side of the road those I would assumed

2461
02:01:46,199 --> 02:01:48,599
were in the county

2462
02:01:48,599 --> 02:01:50,699
at some previous point

2463
02:01:50,699 --> 02:01:53,580
the federal examiners have probably now

2464
02:01:53,580 --> 02:01:55,199
it was brought into the town like

2465
02:01:55,199 --> 02:01:57,000
they're asking here probably at some

2466
02:01:57,000 --> 02:02:08,870
previous point don't know where

2467
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:12,290
I didn't make any more questions

2468
02:02:12,300 --> 02:02:14,340
just give me some quickly speak to the

2469
02:02:14,340 --> 02:02:17,760
benefits of connecting property

2470
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:20,880
well when you again zoning control of

2471
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:22,679
that property that you are making it

2472
02:02:22,679 --> 02:02:24,960
more consistent with the town limits

2473
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:28,199
that it is surrounded by I don't want to

2474
02:02:28,199 --> 02:02:31,619
go into those those lists of things on

2475
02:02:31,619 --> 02:02:33,179
how they're different quite yet

2476
02:02:33,179 --> 02:02:35,280
um but you do gain control of that that

2477
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:36,840
regulatory sense whereas you do not have

2478
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:39,060
control of that now

2479
02:02:39,060 --> 02:02:41,699
um and certainly any sort of minor tax

2480
02:02:41,699 --> 02:02:43,199
base that would you know come from a

2481
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:44,820
couple of houses that had potential to

2482
02:02:44,820 --> 02:02:50,089
be built there

2483
02:02:50,099 --> 02:02:52,380
primarily those dogs can't build on that

2484
02:02:52,380 --> 02:02:54,840
honestly it's 81.

2485
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:56,820
they might be able to reduce and get two

2486
02:02:56,820 --> 02:03:00,360
lots of it we all shared will but

2487
02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:03,480
otherwise they couldn't tap on to Black

2488
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:05,840
Mountain Water

2489
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:10,080
not necessarily so anyways

2490
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,179
if you walk down water and you're

2491
02:03:12,179 --> 02:03:14,219
outside of town you have to ask to be

2492
02:03:14,219 --> 02:03:17,400
annexed the town can still decide not

2493
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:19,560
the annex can still provide count water

2494
02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:20,940
I think there's also an exception for

2495
02:03:20,940 --> 02:03:22,280
single family houses

2496
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:24,840
for requested and frantics you could

2497
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:26,820
have out of town service and not be in

2498
02:03:26,820 --> 02:03:28,560
town limits if you're a single family

2499
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:31,980
residence on the Water Service

2500
02:03:31,980 --> 02:03:33,780
let me just charge out down right that's

2501
02:03:33,780 --> 02:03:35,280
right

2502
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,320
so they could tap on there is water and

2503
02:03:37,320 --> 02:03:42,350
Public Utilities in this area

2504
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:44,820
so you're gaining 1.36 acres for the

2505
02:03:44,820 --> 02:03:47,940
town of the black mountains jurisdiction

2506
02:03:47,940 --> 02:03:51,719
is there any implication then that

2507
02:03:51,719 --> 02:03:54,000
the rest of that property looks like

2508
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,520
it's surrounded by the town but then

2509
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:58,139
they come back and say hey we want to be

2510
02:03:58,139 --> 02:04:00,780
in there too because we're in there so

2511
02:04:00,780 --> 02:04:02,940
there are not parcel lines on that the

2512
02:04:02,940 --> 02:04:05,280
parent portal is irregularly shaped it

2513
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:09,179
is not a nice tidy piece right above it

2514
02:04:09,179 --> 02:04:10,080
um

2515
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:12,960
there is no cooling off period required

2516
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:16,980
for annexation petitions

2517
02:04:16,980 --> 02:04:28,089
this is

2518
02:04:28,099 --> 02:04:31,260
could you address a little bit

2519
02:04:31,260 --> 02:04:33,480
the concerns that this

2520
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:36,540
I'm sorry was it Mrs Shivers

2521
02:04:36,540 --> 02:04:38,699
um that's about runoff and so on on her

2522
02:04:38,699 --> 02:04:41,400
property no I've not issued the town has

2523
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:43,739
not issued a multi-family permit

2524
02:04:43,739 --> 02:04:46,500
um so I'm guessing it it's an adjacent

2525
02:04:46,500 --> 02:04:49,199
parcel in the county

2526
02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:51,300
um so

2527
02:04:51,300 --> 02:04:53,760
we have not issued I mean she mentioned

2528
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,619
a multi-family development which is not

2529
02:04:55,619 --> 02:04:57,239
from us

2530
02:04:57,239 --> 02:04:58,739
um

2531
02:04:58,739 --> 02:05:00,599
that's actually sure where it is but

2532
02:05:00,599 --> 02:05:07,729
it's not in towns jurisdiction

2533
02:05:07,739 --> 02:05:22,550
so it wouldn't be under our regulations

2534
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:24,719
all right question about the public

2535
02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:26,219
hearing process since it's been a little

2536
02:05:26,219 --> 02:05:28,080
while um there is a time for public

2537
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,780
comment during the public hearing

2538
02:05:30,780 --> 02:05:31,440
um

2539
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:36,360
you present it and open it up and then there's public comments that's

2540
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:37,980
correct

2541
02:05:37,980 --> 02:05:40,800
so so before we take action we would uh

2542
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:42,000
allow

2543
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:52,010
the public comments

2544
02:05:52,020 --> 02:05:53,639
you want to avoid them we need to get a

2545
02:05:53,639 --> 02:05:55,560
motion to open it

2546
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:57,900
public hearing oh we haven't done that

2547
02:05:57,900 --> 02:05:59,280
no no

2548
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:02,159
I moved to open the public hearing okay

2549
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:04,980
any discussion not all in favor all

2550
02:06:04,980 --> 02:06:06,960
right okay

2551
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:12,109
we have a we have a public hearing

2552
02:06:12,119 --> 02:06:15,239
do we have anyone wishing to speak

2553
02:06:15,239 --> 02:06:17,940
at the public here

2554
02:06:17,940 --> 02:06:19,920
please come forward this is on

2555
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:24,169
annexation

2556
02:06:24,179 --> 02:06:28,189
give your name and address

2557
02:06:28,199 --> 02:06:31,679
Kathy Phillips 26 Highview Drive in

2558
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:33,719
Black Mountain as you know I'm on the

2559
02:06:33,719 --> 02:06:35,280
planning board

2560
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:37,739
um we did discuss this

2561
02:06:37,739 --> 02:06:43,199
um annexation and it is a weird shape it

2562
02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:46,560
may sense only if we put it in context

2563
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:50,580
of it was very difficult to

2564
02:06:50,580 --> 02:06:53,699
um divide annexation and rezoning we did

2565
02:06:53,699 --> 02:06:56,699
not support annexation if the Sony was

2566
02:06:56,699 --> 02:06:58,280
in the Ura

2567
02:06:58,280 --> 02:07:01,619
but we would support annexation of his

2568
02:07:01,619 --> 02:07:04,679
sr2 and the property owner agreed to

2569
02:07:04,679 --> 02:07:07,080
that so it's kind of hard without

2570
02:07:07,080 --> 02:07:09,480
having the whole picture to try to

2571
02:07:09,480 --> 02:07:12,239
decide this without before you hear the

2572
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:13,679
rest of the story

2573
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:16,500
that is ours

2574
02:07:16,500 --> 02:07:17,940
um we did not want to have a high

2575
02:07:17,940 --> 02:07:19,800
another

2576
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:23,510
high density

2577
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:27,119
um what is it development going up the

2578
02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:29,460
steep slope like we have in other areas

2579
02:07:29,460 --> 02:07:30,659
of town

2580
02:07:30,659 --> 02:07:33,239
so that was our

2581
02:07:33,239 --> 02:07:36,060
that was the reason for our decision

2582
02:07:36,060 --> 02:07:39,659
to support annexation

2583
02:07:39,659 --> 02:07:42,360
only with the lower density

2584
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:44,159
presenting

2585
02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:48,199
which you can't discuss until the next

2586
02:07:48,199 --> 02:07:52,020
that I'll remind you thank you okay

2587
02:07:52,020 --> 02:07:55,440
anybody else wish to speak

2588
02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:59,629
please

2589
02:07:59,639 --> 02:08:02,840
uh Tim Shivers 140 North Fork

2590
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:05,460
these lots are laid out here in this

2591
02:08:05,460 --> 02:08:06,420
diagram

2592
02:08:06,420 --> 02:08:09,060
is these or is this the lots that are

2593
02:08:09,060 --> 02:08:12,179
going to be proposed for the development

2594
02:08:12,179 --> 02:08:15,239
of this eight Acres or do we not know

2595
02:08:15,239 --> 02:08:17,639
because I haven't seen any

2596
02:08:17,639 --> 02:08:21,300
yeah Maps I think as it is now it has to

2597
02:08:21,300 --> 02:08:24,179
be voted on that is to bring the land in

2598
02:08:24,179 --> 02:08:27,119
okay I understand I understand 1.36

2599
02:08:27,119 --> 02:08:29,040
Acres the rest of it is not being

2600
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:32,040
annexed okay well I'm this is an Annex

2601
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:33,840
question this is more of the development

2602
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:35,159
and maybe it might need to wait till

2603
02:08:35,159 --> 02:08:36,060
later

2604
02:08:36,060 --> 02:08:39,360
but as far as uh we live right next to

2605
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:42,540
it and we really have no idea of the

2606
02:08:42,540 --> 02:08:44,400
layout of how the land is going to be

2607
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:46,080
broken down into

2608
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:48,659
different laws so is what I'm asking

2609
02:08:48,659 --> 02:08:50,460
here is that diagram pretty much close

2610
02:08:50,460 --> 02:08:53,280
to the way they want to you know the way

2611
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:59,629
the seller wants to break that down yes

2612
02:08:59,639 --> 02:09:01,860
this is a minor subdivision it is not

2613
02:09:01,860 --> 02:09:03,540
subject to the planning board it is it

2614
02:09:03,540 --> 02:09:04,860
is used by right

2615
02:09:04,860 --> 02:09:07,260
okay it's an administrative process I

2616
02:09:07,260 --> 02:09:09,599
just want to know if it was similar it's

2617
02:09:09,599 --> 02:09:13,020
a little I perf I couldn't could not

2618
02:09:13,020 --> 02:09:15,119
erase those that cannot make your

2619
02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:17,159
decision for annexation or reasoning

2620
02:09:17,159 --> 02:09:20,219
based on the potential you have to

2621
02:09:20,219 --> 02:09:22,980
consider all the potential things and

2622
02:09:22,980 --> 02:09:24,480
we'll talk more about that in the zoning

2623
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:27,060
part okay thank you appreciate it it

2624
02:09:27,060 --> 02:09:29,639
will be clearer Kathy's not wrong it

2625
02:09:29,639 --> 02:09:30,780
does make more sense we talk about it

2626
02:09:30,780 --> 02:09:33,060
together but they are legally separate

2627
02:09:33,060 --> 02:09:35,460
things and I don't want to muddy the

2628
02:09:35,460 --> 02:09:38,400
waters too much anybody else yeah sure

2629
02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:45,970
oh sorry

2630
02:09:45,980 --> 02:09:49,020
my name is Sharon Tabor I live at 141

2631
02:09:49,020 --> 02:09:51,780
North Fork Road which is across the

2632
02:09:51,780 --> 02:09:54,360
street from Ruth

2633
02:09:54,360 --> 02:09:58,800
um my concern is about

2634
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:01,199
the additional traffic

2635
02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:04,500
there is right at Holly Avenue between

2636
02:10:04,500 --> 02:10:08,119
chenkopin and Holly there is a hill

2637
02:10:08,119 --> 02:10:10,619
and every morning I have to look three

2638
02:10:10,619 --> 02:10:12,540
times before I pulled out of my driveway

2639
02:10:12,540 --> 02:10:14,520
because you never know when the cars are

2640
02:10:14,520 --> 02:10:16,800
coming over there and I can't pull out

2641
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:19,920
of the upper drive because it's blocked

2642
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:21,780
you can't see over that Hill

2643
02:10:21,780 --> 02:10:26,820
and my in my concern is that

2644
02:10:26,820 --> 02:10:29,820
how do you control the extra traffic the

2645
02:10:29,820 --> 02:10:32,099
people coming out of chinkapin

2646
02:10:32,099 --> 02:10:34,380
um the extra traffic and being hit

2647
02:10:34,380 --> 02:10:37,199
because it's their site visibility issue

2648
02:10:37,199 --> 02:10:40,139
thank you

2649
02:10:40,139 --> 02:10:48,609
anybody else wish to speak

2650
02:10:48,619 --> 02:10:51,179
my name is Dan Hall

2651
02:10:51,179 --> 02:10:54,540
I I live on pinhill uh 21

2652
02:10:54,540 --> 02:10:56,780
chinkapin Hill

2653
02:10:56,780 --> 02:11:01,920
and currently that is a private Drive

2654
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:04,380
my question is

2655
02:11:04,380 --> 02:11:07,920
how are these New Lots going to be

2656
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:09,900
accessed

2657
02:11:09,900 --> 02:11:11,940
and

2658
02:11:11,940 --> 02:11:14,460
it's my understanding that

2659
02:11:14,460 --> 02:11:16,679
on a private road you can only have

2660
02:11:16,679 --> 02:11:20,750
three houses

2661
02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:25,619
I don't know if that's on a 15-foot line private

2662
02:11:25,619 --> 02:11:27,719
driveway and I think chinkapins about 50

2663
02:11:27,719 --> 02:11:29,820
feet wide

2664
02:11:29,820 --> 02:11:33,420
okay

2665
02:11:33,430 --> 02:11:34,920
[Applause]

2666
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:36,739
um my other question is

2667
02:11:36,739 --> 02:11:41,699
if the town is going to Annex this area

2668
02:11:41,699 --> 02:11:43,860
are they going to be responsible for

2669
02:11:43,860 --> 02:11:47,030
maintenance of that road

2670
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:49,739
currently I'm the only one

2671
02:11:49,739 --> 02:11:53,820
who is taking care of the road

2672
02:11:53,820 --> 02:11:56,040
yeah the answer that's not we would not

2673
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:57,599
be responsible for that right because

2674
02:11:57,599 --> 02:12:00,000
the request is not the pan exchange

2675
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:02,350
again

2676
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:06,060
if I may jump in at this point

2677
02:12:06,060 --> 02:12:07,860
I've got an ordinance floating around

2678
02:12:07,860 --> 02:12:10,020
that's not in your packet that describes

2679
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:12,320
the property being annexed

2680
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:14,820
and because what we have is this

2681
02:12:14,820 --> 02:12:17,099
referenced the the Acres were not

2682
02:12:17,099 --> 02:12:18,840
annexing or personal proposed to be

2683
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:21,000
annexed and I've prepared a legal

2684
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:22,739
description that does include the

2685
02:12:22,739 --> 02:12:24,599
footprint of chinkapin and these three

2686
02:12:24,599 --> 02:12:25,980
lots

2687
02:12:25,980 --> 02:12:28,440
it makes no sense for us to Annex on

2688
02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:30,360
both sides of the private road and leave

2689
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:34,189
that strip of land outside the town

2690
02:12:34,199 --> 02:12:36,599
what's the chicken pan is already in the

2691
02:12:36,599 --> 02:12:39,420
town a private road can be brought up to

2692
02:12:39,420 --> 02:12:42,260
town standards and offered that's

2693
02:12:42,260 --> 02:12:44,880
it's always an option but it's their

2694
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:46,980
existence as an Intel on this does not

2695
02:12:46,980 --> 02:12:50,990
make it by definition of Public Road

2696
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:53,820
you see that blue stripe that cuts

2697
02:12:53,820 --> 02:12:55,500
across lots and then diagonally across

2698
02:12:55,500 --> 02:12:58,139
chinkapin yeah that puts almost

2699
02:12:58,139 --> 02:13:00,300
well better than a third of chinkapins

2700
02:13:00,300 --> 02:13:05,169
already in the city limits

2701
02:13:05,179 --> 02:13:08,760
the lower part is the town doesn't have

2702
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:13,069
any responsibilities

2703
02:13:13,079 --> 02:13:14,940
Fair policy toward taking over the

2704
02:13:14,940 --> 02:13:16,980
maintenance of roads that are private

2705
02:13:16,980 --> 02:13:20,099
and developments and subdivisions is if

2706
02:13:20,099 --> 02:13:21,840
somebody wants to be taken in they have

2707
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:23,699
to build it to town standards and then

2708
02:13:23,699 --> 02:13:25,800
offer it and if they do offer under

2709
02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:27,840
those conditions we're not obligated to

2710
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:30,000
take it yeah

2711
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:31,920
Ron can you

2712
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:36,800
I'm confused but it's blue line up here

2713
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:40,380
that is the town limits uh how that

2714
02:13:40,380 --> 02:13:42,420
happened in the past I don't have a clue

2715
02:13:42,420 --> 02:13:45,659
it's just so so all a lot more and

2716
02:13:45,659 --> 02:13:48,420
two-thirds of lot two or inventory or in

2717
02:13:48,420 --> 02:13:51,000
town currently in a tiny bit of line

2718
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:52,639
three

2719
02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:55,800
I'm sorry

2720
02:13:55,800 --> 02:13:57,599
so it's extra confusing at the County

2721
02:13:57,599 --> 02:13:59,699
website because the county line is in

2722
02:13:59,699 --> 02:14:02,520
three different places oh my but this

2723
02:14:02,520 --> 02:14:03,719
came over

2724
02:14:03,719 --> 02:14:06,540
the green line jogs down and it catches

2725
02:14:06,540 --> 02:14:08,940
the top of three from the top of two

2726
02:14:08,940 --> 02:14:12,119
that's correct the bottom the bottom all

2727
02:14:12,119 --> 02:14:14,579
of lot one and two-thirds of lot two are

2728
02:14:14,579 --> 02:14:16,380
in the county currently we're gonna

2729
02:14:16,380 --> 02:14:18,860
count oh I see so this is

2730
02:14:18,860 --> 02:14:21,840
the town yes so with the blue what you

2731
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:23,400
can't see is that there's a green line

2732
02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:26,460
that yeah I was trying to make it

2733
02:14:26,460 --> 02:14:30,310
clearer apparently no no no no

2734
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:33,260
it's the north part of the lighter

2735
02:14:33,260 --> 02:14:37,099
blocks are in the town that's right

2736
02:14:37,099 --> 02:14:40,619
so this would not address that other lot

2737
02:14:40,619 --> 02:14:42,960
on the other side of chinkapin that's

2738
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:47,229
Orange

2739
02:14:47,239 --> 02:14:52,209
thank you

2740
02:14:52,219 --> 02:15:02,270
talk thanks

2741
02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:05,820
Scott Russell 15 Theresa way and I'm the

2742
02:15:05,820 --> 02:15:09,960
realtor for the the uh applicant

2743
02:15:09,960 --> 02:15:11,699
um

2744
02:15:11,699 --> 02:15:15,300
so the gray area is

2745
02:15:15,300 --> 02:15:18,060
Buncombe County

2746
02:15:18,060 --> 02:15:21,360
and for some reason on GIS that green

2747
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:24,360
line is a zigzag that comes across the

2748
02:15:24,360 --> 02:15:25,760
north side

2749
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:28,380
of light three

2750
02:15:28,380 --> 02:15:31,860
and zigzags back left

2751
02:15:31,860 --> 02:15:33,540
to North Fork

2752
02:15:33,540 --> 02:15:35,639
and it goes back right

2753
02:15:35,639 --> 02:15:37,920
we don't know why there was confusion

2754
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:40,079
between the county and the and the town

2755
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:41,340
of

2756
02:15:41,340 --> 02:15:43,679
who has

2757
02:15:43,679 --> 02:15:45,360
um

2758
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:50,689
you're good I'm good yeah so

2759
02:15:50,699 --> 02:15:54,119
the three lots were surveyed out

2760
02:15:54,119 --> 02:15:57,960
and propose to uh the reason we chose

2761
02:15:57,960 --> 02:15:59,880
that

2762
02:15:59,880 --> 02:16:03,060
North uh line across the top of lot

2763
02:16:03,060 --> 02:16:06,239
three is because that evens up that line

2764
02:16:06,239 --> 02:16:08,579
with the red properties to the left of

2765
02:16:08,579 --> 02:16:15,420
jenkopin all the way to the line coming down Genesis it kind of felt like it should be in the

2766
02:16:15,420 --> 02:16:18,119
town anyway and now it'll be nice and

2767
02:16:18,119 --> 02:16:19,199
even

2768
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:22,320
and then that's how we came up with

2769
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:25,800
we wanted a minor subdivision

2770
02:16:25,800 --> 02:16:27,060
um

2771
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:28,800
not a major so that's how we came up

2772
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:31,619
with three lots and then because of the

2773
02:16:31,619 --> 02:16:35,939
0.7 acre size sr2 was fine we actually

2774
02:16:35,939 --> 02:16:38,639
applied for your only because all the

2775
02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:40,380
red stuff you see

2776
02:16:40,380 --> 02:16:43,439
is Ura

2777
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:46,439
so that little trying green triangle

2778
02:16:46,439 --> 02:16:48,660
that's currently in the red in the Ura

2779
02:16:48,660 --> 02:16:50,280
there on the left side

2780
02:16:50,280 --> 02:16:53,040
is that county is that

2781
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:56,099
or is that just yeah so on the gis it's

2782
02:16:56,099 --> 02:17:00,059
blue and green over the overlaid

2783
02:17:00,059 --> 02:17:05,820
uh it's I can show you the this weird I so that bottom triangle is in the

2784
02:17:05,820 --> 02:17:06,679
count

2785
02:17:06,679 --> 02:17:10,620
on that red parcel yes

2786
02:17:10,620 --> 02:17:13,200
if you look at it on GIS it looks like

2787
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:15,139
it's both

2788
02:17:15,139 --> 02:17:20,399
you can see two colors on that triangle

2789
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:23,219
I I can't explain it it's just I I

2790
02:17:23,219 --> 02:17:25,979
thought it was a GIS glitch

2791
02:17:25,979 --> 02:17:31,669
but the county said we we don't know

2792
02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:34,019
but the rest of the property going up

2793
02:17:34,019 --> 02:17:37,859
the mountain is is counting

2794
02:17:37,859 --> 02:17:41,939
in the grass and the cinquapin road that

2795
02:17:41,939 --> 02:17:44,639
is currently the like bottom third

2796
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:46,580
that's in the county

2797
02:17:46,580 --> 02:17:49,979
the bottom third next to lot one would

2798
02:17:49,979 --> 02:17:55,330
be in this town

2799
02:17:55,340 --> 02:17:58,019
according to GIS currently it is

2800
02:17:58,019 --> 02:18:01,669
everything

2801
02:18:01,679 --> 02:18:04,019
really basically basically so this is

2802
02:18:04,019 --> 02:18:07,380
oriented North up

2803
02:18:07,380 --> 02:18:10,620
everything below the Blue Line the top

2804
02:18:10,620 --> 02:18:12,660
blue line

2805
02:18:12,660 --> 02:18:17,169
is in the town

2806
02:18:17,179 --> 02:18:19,380
I'm sorry I'm sorry you're right sorry

2807
02:18:19,380 --> 02:18:21,179
see even I'm confused I've been doing

2808
02:18:21,179 --> 02:18:23,639
this for six months so you're right that

2809
02:18:23,639 --> 02:18:26,880
that's a zigzag I've done um so it's

2810
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:30,370
late Bill I'm tired man

2811
02:18:30,380 --> 02:18:33,899
yeah the the zigzag part had me messed

2812
02:18:33,899 --> 02:18:37,559
up so it's like a little sliver of town

2813
02:18:37,559 --> 02:18:39,960
between two slivers of

2814
02:18:39,960 --> 02:18:41,099
County

2815
02:18:41,099 --> 02:18:43,679
this map on our pack is almost easier to

2816
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:46,200
understand than that one I guess the

2817
02:18:46,200 --> 02:18:48,240
blue line is the blue light is the area

2818
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,880
you would get that's that's what we

2819
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:51,840
brought

2820
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:53,880
in house that's the subject that's the

2821
02:18:53,880 --> 02:18:57,330
1.36 Acres yeah okay

2822
02:18:57,330 --> 02:18:59,939
[Laughter]

2823
02:18:59,939 --> 02:19:04,070
okay

2824
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:05,820
um it will comments or do we have

2825
02:19:05,820 --> 02:19:08,280
anybody else's feet

2826
02:19:08,280 --> 02:19:11,580
and to I was going to address Dan Hall's

2827
02:19:11,580 --> 02:19:14,160
question about the road

2828
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:16,859
uh missing out Miss snelling's property

2829
02:19:16,859 --> 02:19:19,740
is already it has the data access from

2830
02:19:19,740 --> 02:19:23,040
shinkman and she will

2831
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,439
bring those three lots into road

2832
02:19:25,439 --> 02:19:27,899
maintenance on that road

2833
02:19:27,899 --> 02:19:30,479
so when she sells them which is the plan

2834
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:32,099
eventually

2835
02:19:32,099 --> 02:19:34,260
they'll be subject to road maintenance

2836
02:19:34,260 --> 02:19:37,260
up to the top of lot three

2837
02:19:37,260 --> 02:19:39,899
there is no further plan for the acreage

2838
02:19:39,899 --> 02:19:41,840
above that

2839
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:45,359
yeah I mean they're they're my dollars

2840
02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:47,880
there there's not there is not

2841
02:19:47,880 --> 02:19:50,520
okay

2842
02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:53,340
any more comments tell everybody else

2843
02:19:53,340 --> 02:19:57,530
wish to speak if not here

2844
02:19:57,540 --> 02:19:58,859
silver

2845
02:19:58,859 --> 02:20:00,859
all in favor

2846
02:20:00,859 --> 02:20:04,439
okay passes now

2847
02:20:04,439 --> 02:20:06,359
do we have a motion to adopt the

2848
02:20:06,359 --> 02:20:09,479
ordinance as presented I was if you

2849
02:20:09,479 --> 02:20:12,300
don't mind Mr Mayor I'd rather adopt

2850
02:20:12,300 --> 02:20:14,479
this ordinance as written

2851
02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:18,200
it hasn't made some balance description

2852
02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:22,140
it properly identifies the orange uh the

2853
02:20:22,140 --> 02:20:23,939
snailings that put that property into a

2854
02:20:23,939 --> 02:20:26,700
trust the ordinance wreath that is owned

2855
02:20:26,700 --> 02:20:29,220
by the trust and the description the

2856
02:20:29,220 --> 02:20:30,540
beats and Bounds that I put together

2857
02:20:30,540 --> 02:20:33,479
from their survey now it's overlapping

2858
02:20:33,479 --> 02:20:35,520
some area that's already in town but it

2859
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:37,320
gives you a legal description that's

2860
02:20:37,320 --> 02:20:39,720
mappable uh and somebody can find on the

2861
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:41,220
ground next year

2862
02:20:41,220 --> 02:20:52,809
maybe we'll send it to Martin County

2863
02:20:52,819 --> 02:21:20,630
but yeah

2864
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:46,150
foreign

2865
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:48,479
but there's nothing stopping someone

2866
02:21:48,479 --> 02:21:51,300
from building on the slots now right

2867
02:21:51,300 --> 02:22:00,550
that's correct

2868
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:08,770
the next twisters

2869
02:22:08,780 --> 02:22:13,730
it just says 2304

2870
02:22:13,740 --> 02:22:17,090
yeah okay

2871
02:22:17,100 --> 02:22:29,330
gotcha thanks

2872
02:22:29,340 --> 02:23:05,929
foreign

2873
02:23:05,939 --> 02:23:07,640
um

2874
02:23:07,640 --> 02:23:09,899
we've got we've got a big development

2875
02:23:09,899 --> 02:23:12,120
over here at the golf course that

2876
02:23:12,120 --> 02:23:14,760
originally came into the town and was

2877
02:23:14,760 --> 02:23:17,040
I'm going to be part of that affordable

2878
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:19,969
housing project

2879
02:23:19,979 --> 02:23:23,700
unfortunately the recession 2008 took

2880
02:23:23,700 --> 02:23:27,060
out the owner of it on the chocolate box

2881
02:23:27,060 --> 02:23:29,399
out by somebody else

2882
02:23:29,399 --> 02:23:31,439
and so um

2883
02:23:31,439 --> 02:23:36,530
again

2884
02:23:36,540 --> 02:23:40,450
said we'll just follow what they did

2885
02:23:40,460 --> 02:23:43,560
what happens

2886
02:23:43,560 --> 02:23:45,300
we don't have any teeth remarkable

2887
02:23:45,300 --> 02:23:47,460
abortions in that that development there

2888
02:23:47,460 --> 02:23:49,220
has no important

2889
02:23:49,220 --> 02:23:51,359
there's more would come down in the

2890
02:23:51,359 --> 02:23:52,859
future

2891
02:23:52,859 --> 02:23:55,319
um look at look at ways to go ahead and

2892
02:23:55,319 --> 02:23:57,479
putting species into something

2893
02:23:57,479 --> 02:24:23,570
more affordable housing

2894
02:24:23,580 --> 02:24:24,899
so

2895
02:24:24,899 --> 02:24:35,750
what are we okay

2896
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:40,010
understand what we're doing

2897
02:24:40,020 --> 02:24:42,840
let's see amended one that has the

2898
02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:44,460
correct legal description is that

2899
02:24:44,460 --> 02:24:46,380
correct it is the description drafted

2900
02:24:46,380 --> 02:24:49,380
from the survey that the applicant

2901
02:24:49,380 --> 02:24:52,500
provided uh which and does pick up the

2902
02:24:52,500 --> 02:24:54,540
piece of chinkapin on this little short

2903
02:24:54,540 --> 02:24:57,000
strip that's in the county because in

2904
02:24:57,000 --> 02:25:00,479
fact uh they own it they own the dirt on

2905
02:25:00,479 --> 02:25:29,420
dry

2906
02:25:29,430 --> 02:25:37,429
[Applause]

2907
02:25:37,439 --> 02:25:39,840
we're done

2908
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:42,540
Mr Mayor I moved the adoption of the

2909
02:25:42,540 --> 02:25:45,800
ordinance has amended by our attorney

2910
02:25:45,800 --> 02:25:52,250
any discussion if not all in favor

2911
02:25:52,260 --> 02:25:56,100
all right let's move on to the B public

2912
02:25:56,100 --> 02:25:57,899
hearing I'll pass somebody down the

2913
02:25:57,899 --> 02:25:59,939
zoning ordinance before something orders

2914
02:25:59,939 --> 02:26:01,680
suspended also

2915
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:05,410
yes

2916
02:26:05,420 --> 02:26:09,720
yeah and the only change to that is to

2917
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:12,540
insert correct name of the applicant and

2918
02:26:12,540 --> 02:26:15,840
the legal description okay sure

2919
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:17,880
so here's the zoning part that

2920
02:26:17,880 --> 02:26:19,140
everybody's more accustomed to talking

2921
02:26:19,140 --> 02:26:20,760
about

2922
02:26:20,760 --> 02:26:22,680
um I am not going to read you word for

2923
02:26:22,680 --> 02:26:24,540
word the staff report you have that in

2924
02:26:24,540 --> 02:26:27,060
your agenda packet um but most notably

2925
02:26:27,060 --> 02:26:31,260
the area to be rezone we said 1.36 Acres

2926
02:26:31,260 --> 02:26:34,680
um the average slope is 18.3 for the

2927
02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:37,260
total parent parcel that is how the

2928
02:26:37,260 --> 02:26:39,060
steep slope calculator works we cannot

2929
02:26:39,060 --> 02:26:40,859
parse it out for a little subsection

2930
02:26:40,859 --> 02:26:43,439
it's an it's undeveloped mostly wooded

2931
02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:45,240
area it's not subject to any sort of

2932
02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:46,620
zoning overlay or anything of that

2933
02:26:46,620 --> 02:26:48,420
nature and it is serviceable by public

2934
02:26:48,420 --> 02:26:51,000
utilities the initial application was

2935
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:52,859
for ur8 just because that's what they

2936
02:26:52,859 --> 02:26:54,359
were surrounded by

2937
02:26:54,359 --> 02:26:56,340
um but when planning Board review this

2938
02:26:56,340 --> 02:27:01,140
application they discussed creating a

2939
02:27:01,140 --> 02:27:03,000
split zone so the part of this that's

2940
02:27:03,000 --> 02:27:06,120
coming in would actually be sr2 this did

2941
02:27:06,120 --> 02:27:07,380
not require any kind of change to be

2942
02:27:07,380 --> 02:27:09,180
made by the applicant

2943
02:27:09,180 --> 02:27:10,979
um with their concept

2944
02:27:10,979 --> 02:27:12,540
um like no application for subdivision

2945
02:27:12,540 --> 02:27:14,399
you know has been made but conceptually

2946
02:27:14,399 --> 02:27:16,920
they exceed the requirements for sr2 as

2947
02:27:16,920 --> 02:27:21,000
it is sr2 was preferable um to planning

2948
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:23,700
board because of the steep slope in the

2949
02:27:23,700 --> 02:27:25,020
area and this would

2950
02:27:25,020 --> 02:27:25,920
um

2951
02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:28,580
allow these lots to stay in

2952
02:27:28,580 --> 02:27:30,899
make it harder to subdivide them and

2953
02:27:30,899 --> 02:27:33,240
reduce the density in the area

2954
02:27:33,240 --> 02:27:36,180
it does create a spot Zone by doing this

2955
02:27:36,180 --> 02:27:38,160
because we're surrounded by Orange and

2956
02:27:38,160 --> 02:27:39,500
now we're talking about something else

2957
02:27:39,500 --> 02:27:41,939
that is not prohibited in North Carolina

2958
02:27:41,939 --> 02:27:44,760
it just means it it has to be subject to

2959
02:27:44,760 --> 02:27:46,380
additional scrutiny it has to rise to

2960
02:27:46,380 --> 02:27:47,700
the occasion

2961
02:27:47,700 --> 02:27:49,740
um Mr Snead felt that the environmental

2962
02:27:49,740 --> 02:27:51,240
concerns and steep slope that were

2963
02:27:51,240 --> 02:27:52,979
expressed by the planning board Rose to

2964
02:27:52,979 --> 02:27:54,840
that occasion it was comfortable moving

2965
02:27:54,840 --> 02:27:57,180
forward with that recommendation and the

2966
02:27:57,180 --> 02:27:59,040
planning board voted unanimously to

2967
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:02,220
recommend that sr2 designation with the

2968
02:28:02,220 --> 02:28:04,800
blessing of the owner

2969
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:06,359
so I want to point out when we talk

2970
02:28:06,359 --> 02:28:08,100
about the advantages of having it

2971
02:28:08,100 --> 02:28:10,979
brought in to the town the sr2

2972
02:28:10,979 --> 02:28:12,540
designation is significantly more

2973
02:28:12,540 --> 02:28:15,000
limited in the types of uses

2974
02:28:15,000 --> 02:28:16,979
um compared to those in the county we

2975
02:28:16,979 --> 02:28:19,140
have only a handful of very

2976
02:28:19,140 --> 02:28:21,060
um low intensity uses primarily being

2977
02:28:21,060 --> 02:28:22,740
residential

2978
02:28:22,740 --> 02:28:26,939
um now the minimum lot size in sr2 is

2979
02:28:26,939 --> 02:28:28,920
half an acre as opposed to the one acre

2980
02:28:28,920 --> 02:28:33,780
in its current County zoning but there

2981
02:28:33,780 --> 02:28:36,960
is that the number of uses is much much

2982
02:28:36,960 --> 02:28:40,800
smaller so not only do I bring you into

2983
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:43,319
the town are you actually reducing the

2984
02:28:43,319 --> 02:28:46,020
number of variety of uses that could be

2985
02:28:46,020 --> 02:28:47,939
developed right in a pocket of what is

2986
02:28:47,939 --> 02:28:50,280
otherwise surrounded by the town you're

2987
02:28:50,280 --> 02:28:52,020
also making it subject to our stormwater

2988
02:28:52,020 --> 02:28:53,939
ordinances our stream buffer ordinances

2989
02:28:53,939 --> 02:28:56,399
and things of that nature that um that

2990
02:28:56,399 --> 02:28:58,979
we have locally that the county does not

2991
02:28:58,979 --> 02:29:00,899
necessarily have so you are gaining some

2992
02:29:00,899 --> 02:29:03,600
environmental controls in that way

2993
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:04,260
um

2994
02:29:04,260 --> 02:29:07,200
and that's it for the zoning if you have

2995
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:09,000
any questions

2996
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:11,520
can you do I have any motion to open up

2997
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:17,170
the public hearing reset

2998
02:29:17,180 --> 02:29:20,520
all right

2999
02:29:20,520 --> 02:29:23,460
Betty wishes to speak to rezoning

3000
02:29:23,460 --> 02:29:25,260
of this property

3001
02:29:25,260 --> 02:29:32,150
yes

3002
02:29:32,160 --> 02:29:35,520
my name is Charlene Hall I live at 21

3003
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:37,220
chinkapin Hill

3004
02:29:37,220 --> 02:29:45,060
and my concern is the runoff from three

3005
02:29:45,060 --> 02:29:49,020
additional homes on chincopen as well as

3006
02:29:49,020 --> 02:29:52,800
the potential for any that might be in

3007
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:53,840
the future

3008
02:29:53,840 --> 02:29:57,140
above those three homes

3009
02:29:57,140 --> 02:30:00,840
the runoff is an issue right now when we

3010
02:30:00,840 --> 02:30:05,520
have a heavy rain it washes out what

3011
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:08,040
essentially is is chinkapin Hill is

3012
02:30:08,040 --> 02:30:10,920
essentially a driveway it is

3013
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:14,280
um you know mostly some gravel because

3014
02:30:14,280 --> 02:30:18,420
we have done that and bonded Etc but um

3015
02:30:18,420 --> 02:30:21,660
it a lot of the dirt washes out and when

3016
02:30:21,660 --> 02:30:25,620
we have we have we have built ditches on

3017
02:30:25,620 --> 02:30:30,300
both sides to and and uh

3018
02:30:30,300 --> 02:30:36,479
um to try to alleviate that problem

3019
02:30:36,479 --> 02:30:40,340
um what what concerns me most is having

3020
02:30:40,340 --> 02:30:44,100
additional people on that

3021
02:30:44,100 --> 02:30:46,080
driveway

3022
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:48,899
um if someone is coming down that

3023
02:30:48,899 --> 02:30:52,800
driveway and I am pulling in to go up

3024
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:55,800
the driveway there's no place there's no

3025
02:30:55,800 --> 02:30:58,800
way for two cars to pass on chinkapin

3026
02:30:58,800 --> 02:30:59,520
Hill

3027
02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:02,520
so that would mean I've got to back out

3028
02:31:02,520 --> 02:31:06,600
into North Fork Road in the dip and in

3029
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:07,979
the curb

3030
02:31:07,979 --> 02:31:10,140
um so that somebody else can come down

3031
02:31:10,140 --> 02:31:13,260
the driveway so these are just some of

3032
02:31:13,260 --> 02:31:15,060
the concerns that I have the

3033
02:31:15,060 --> 02:31:17,760
environmental concerns when they start

3034
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:21,780
building and taking down trees

3035
02:31:21,780 --> 02:31:24,859
Etc then there will be even more issues

3036
02:31:24,859 --> 02:31:29,420
with the seriousness of the runoff

3037
02:31:29,420 --> 02:31:32,520
actually causes you know that washboard

3038
02:31:32,520 --> 02:31:35,760
effect and then we have somebody come in

3039
02:31:35,760 --> 02:31:39,660
and grade the driveway and put down the

3040
02:31:39,660 --> 02:31:40,680
bonding

3041
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:43,620
Etc too but we have to do that about

3042
02:31:43,620 --> 02:31:46,859
three times a year now that we are

3043
02:31:46,859 --> 02:31:50,460
paying for by ourselves so that is a

3044
02:31:50,460 --> 02:31:53,280
concern and especially since I'm now

3045
02:31:53,280 --> 02:31:54,380
told

3046
02:31:54,380 --> 02:31:58,859
the town will not be helping assisting

3047
02:31:58,859 --> 02:32:00,300
with

3048
02:32:00,300 --> 02:32:02,280
um any kind of of

3049
02:32:02,280 --> 02:32:03,359
uh

3050
02:32:03,359 --> 02:32:06,680
helping with with that driveway so

3051
02:32:06,680 --> 02:32:11,660
that's my concern thank you thank you

3052
02:32:11,660 --> 02:32:15,479
anybody else have any comments before we

3053
02:32:15,479 --> 02:32:18,830
close the public hearing

3054
02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:27,110
oh just please

3055
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:30,420
um so I made this Point earlier about I

3056
02:32:30,420 --> 02:32:32,700
would just say that by having three more

3057
02:32:32,700 --> 02:32:35,580
neighbors you you would have three more

3058
02:32:35,580 --> 02:32:38,520
people contributing to road maintenance

3059
02:32:38,520 --> 02:32:39,899
and

3060
02:32:39,899 --> 02:32:42,060
if in the future

3061
02:32:42,060 --> 02:32:44,040
those neighbors wanted to get together

3062
02:32:44,040 --> 02:32:45,720
to

3063
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:49,859
redo this road to town specifications

3064
02:32:49,859 --> 02:32:57,780
that could do so and it would be a much cheaper per neighbor project

3065
02:32:57,780 --> 02:33:00,000
or they could keep it gravel and let it

3066
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:01,740
be maintained by

3067
02:33:01,740 --> 02:33:04,200
three more people than it is now it

3068
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:07,670
sounds like now it's just one

3069
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:11,939
anyway that's all okay thank you

3070
02:33:11,939 --> 02:33:15,410
anybody else

3071
02:33:15,420 --> 02:33:18,180
not seeing anybody rushing up here do I

3072
02:33:18,180 --> 02:33:22,550
hear them

3073
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:24,300
some moved

3074
02:33:24,300 --> 02:33:27,899
discussion all in favor all right all

3075
02:33:27,899 --> 02:33:30,420
right he passes we're closed now

3076
02:33:30,420 --> 02:33:34,080
to adopt the zoning ordinance that Sneed

3077
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:36,600
and sent out here this is a revised one

3078
02:33:36,600 --> 02:33:38,819
too correct

3079
02:33:38,819 --> 02:33:40,920
it's it's amended to have a prescription

3080
02:33:40,920 --> 02:33:45,290
correct the names of the petition

3081
02:33:45,300 --> 02:33:47,520
Jessica would you mind as a refresher

3082
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:49,979
for us and also for the community

3083
02:33:49,979 --> 02:33:51,060
um

3084
02:33:51,060 --> 02:33:52,680
talking about the differences between

3085
02:33:52,680 --> 02:33:56,160
sr2 and Ura going on a broad level I

3086
02:33:56,160 --> 02:33:57,540
know there's many well the greatest

3087
02:33:57,540 --> 02:33:59,640
being the density you know you are eight

3088
02:33:59,640 --> 02:34:02,220
you're going to have a eight units up to

3089
02:34:02,220 --> 02:34:04,979
eight units or acre as opposed to two

3090
02:34:04,979 --> 02:34:06,660
and

3091
02:34:06,660 --> 02:34:08,520
um to some of the concerns were being

3092
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:10,140
discussed this property can already be

3093
02:34:10,140 --> 02:34:11,939
developed in a number of ways in the

3094
02:34:11,939 --> 02:34:13,080
county

3095
02:34:13,080 --> 02:34:15,240
um by annexing it and Zoning it you are

3096
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:17,760
not making it buildable or useful it's

3097
02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:19,380
just subject to our rules as opposed to

3098
02:34:19,380 --> 02:34:21,240
the counties

3099
02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:23,040
um we have we have storm water

3100
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:25,800
regulations available to us locally that

3101
02:34:25,800 --> 02:34:28,200
the county does not have

3102
02:34:28,200 --> 02:34:30,600
um and certainly if there's things built

3103
02:34:30,600 --> 02:34:32,640
outside of the Town limits we can't

3104
02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:35,819
influence how that works

3105
02:34:35,819 --> 02:34:36,600
um

3106
02:34:36,600 --> 02:34:40,200
and so we actually have less impact and

3107
02:34:40,200 --> 02:34:42,420
greater controls under our regulations

3108
02:34:42,420 --> 02:34:45,979
than the counties and with our zoning

3109
02:34:45,979 --> 02:34:50,270
so just to keep it clear

3110
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:52,260
if we don't

3111
02:34:52,260 --> 02:34:54,920
and exit

3112
02:34:54,920 --> 02:34:57,240
I'm sorry I'm sorry we've already did

3113
02:34:57,240 --> 02:34:58,880
that so

3114
02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:01,380
if we don't rezone it I'm sorry that's

3115
02:35:01,380 --> 02:35:04,500
what I meant to say if we don't result

3116
02:35:04,500 --> 02:35:05,460
um

3117
02:35:05,460 --> 02:35:08,399
then it's still going to stay under Ura

3118
02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:10,260
is that what it is right now so right

3119
02:35:10,260 --> 02:35:12,479
now it's no right now it is zoned in the

3120
02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:14,040
county there's pieces that are in the

3121
02:35:14,040 --> 02:35:17,870
county it's rld

3122
02:35:17,880 --> 02:35:21,290
believe anything

3123
02:35:21,300 --> 02:35:30,660
if we if you're meeting right now it is you all right no no you have to it has not been zoned that's what you're

3124
02:35:30,660 --> 02:35:33,720
doing now okay so if we fail when your

3125
02:35:33,720 --> 02:35:36,300
attorney can answer that question yeah

3126
02:35:36,300 --> 02:35:38,100
you've got as far as the owning

3127
02:35:38,100 --> 02:35:40,080
regulations go right at the moment you

3128
02:35:40,080 --> 02:35:42,660
have no man's way exactly but we do need

3129
02:35:42,660 --> 02:35:48,849
to donate itself yeah yes

3130
02:35:48,859 --> 02:35:51,600
no one has ever done that to me

3131
02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:55,800
[Laughter]

3132
02:35:55,800 --> 02:35:59,520
rld and sr2 are similar districts um but

3133
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:01,620
we have fewer

3134
02:36:01,620 --> 02:36:02,460
um

3135
02:36:02,460 --> 02:36:05,160
we have fewer allowable uses and more

3136
02:36:05,160 --> 02:36:07,500
stringent roles so it's in great it's in

3137
02:36:07,500 --> 02:36:10,260
Greater control under our rules than the

3138
02:36:10,260 --> 02:36:11,819
counties that's what I wanted to know

3139
02:36:11,819 --> 02:36:17,750
thank you you're welcome

3140
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:20,399
any motion

3141
02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:22,500
to Zone this

3142
02:36:22,500 --> 02:36:24,540
piece of property

3143
02:36:24,540 --> 02:36:26,700
I'll just make a comment

3144
02:36:26,700 --> 02:36:29,700
um two comments I guess and one is is to

3145
02:36:29,700 --> 02:36:31,399
the neighbors

3146
02:36:31,399 --> 02:36:35,520
that um I can completely understand uh

3147
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:38,040
your your concerns around

3148
02:36:38,040 --> 02:36:40,140
um you know what it's essentially I

3149
02:36:40,140 --> 02:36:41,700
believe just wooded area now and the

3150
02:36:41,700 --> 02:36:44,040
thought of having homes built in there

3151
02:36:44,040 --> 02:36:46,560
than being a lot loted out

3152
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:48,120
um is I mean I would need to be

3153
02:36:48,120 --> 02:36:49,680
concerned as well

3154
02:36:49,680 --> 02:36:51,300
you know uh it kind of changes the feel

3155
02:36:51,300 --> 02:36:52,680
of the neighborhood

3156
02:36:52,680 --> 02:36:53,580
um

3157
02:36:53,580 --> 02:36:56,760
uh and so I I just want to acknowledge

3158
02:36:56,760 --> 02:36:58,920
that and then and say that I think that

3159
02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:01,620
uh that the planning board uh I

3160
02:37:01,620 --> 02:37:02,880
appreciate their recommendation to go

3161
02:37:02,880 --> 02:37:04,920
from the ra to the sr2 I think that's a

3162
02:37:04,920 --> 02:37:10,200
more reasonable uh zone for for this land and um

3163
02:37:10,200 --> 02:37:12,359
and you know I can do that so that's

3164
02:37:12,359 --> 02:37:14,819
probably the or that's how I will be

3165
02:37:14,819 --> 02:37:17,389
voting

3166
02:37:17,399 --> 02:37:19,680
any other comments I just wanted to say

3167
02:37:19,680 --> 02:37:21,180
thank you to the planning board as well

3168
02:37:21,180 --> 02:37:23,100
I know they spent a lot of time

3169
02:37:23,100 --> 02:37:25,920
reviewing this whole plan and project

3170
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:28,260
and um

3171
02:37:28,260 --> 02:37:30,120
yeah I haven't done all that research

3172
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:32,880
and all those discussions makes our job

3173
02:37:32,880 --> 02:37:35,580
a little bit easier and I appreciate it

3174
02:37:35,580 --> 02:37:37,680
okay

3175
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:40,080
before entertaining emotional or after

3176
02:37:40,080 --> 02:37:42,540
entertaining emotion and going through

3177
02:37:42,540 --> 02:37:44,640
discussion I think you need to at least

3178
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:46,859
take a look at the resorting worksheet

3179
02:37:46,859 --> 02:37:50,280
uh for a couple reasons there's statutes

3180
02:37:50,280 --> 02:37:52,859
require now that you find that it's

3181
02:37:52,859 --> 02:37:56,040
reasonable uh it is a spot zone so it's

3182
02:37:56,040 --> 02:37:57,899
got to reach a little bit higher level

3183
02:37:57,899 --> 02:38:00,660
or reasonableness and the information

3184
02:38:00,660 --> 02:38:03,300
you have before your course is it's the

3185
02:38:03,300 --> 02:38:04,740
steeper slope and the environmental

3186
02:38:04,740 --> 02:38:07,979
impact a lesser impact by larger Lots

3187
02:38:07,979 --> 02:38:10,740
but I think the council needs to look at

3188
02:38:10,740 --> 02:38:12,720
that resulting worksheet if you don't

3189
02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:14,700
take a look at those they make those at

3190
02:38:14,700 --> 02:38:17,340
least discussion before the vote you

3191
02:38:17,340 --> 02:38:34,929
have a challengeable ordinance

3192
02:38:34,939 --> 02:38:45,429
thank you okay

3193
02:38:45,439 --> 02:38:55,200
yeah no no no there's no motion yeah well I'd suggest we review the

3194
02:38:55,200 --> 02:38:57,240
rezoning worksheet before we have a

3195
02:38:57,240 --> 02:39:03,530
motion okay okay

3196
02:39:03,540 --> 02:39:07,140
that's the problem of opening it out

3197
02:39:07,140 --> 02:39:10,080
uh so it looks like to me is that there

3198
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:13,439
are several factors there the overall

3199
02:39:13,439 --> 02:39:15,840
size of the track to the land proposed

3200
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:19,319
for rezoning is or is not reasonable

3201
02:39:19,319 --> 02:39:21,060
compared to the size of the zoning

3202
02:39:21,060 --> 02:39:23,880
District in which the property is

3203
02:39:23,880 --> 02:39:26,330
located

3204
02:39:26,340 --> 02:39:28,740
well the interesting thing there is not

3205
02:39:28,740 --> 02:39:33,060
locating any zoning District right now

3206
02:39:33,060 --> 02:39:35,880
right but you make no man's land that's

3207
02:39:35,880 --> 02:39:40,220
this it is surrounded by Ura okay

3208
02:39:40,220 --> 02:39:43,439
so you've got to verbalize why you're

3209
02:39:43,439 --> 02:39:45,479
actually more restrictive zoning on this

3210
02:39:45,479 --> 02:39:48,359
little pocket of property and right and

3211
02:39:48,359 --> 02:39:49,740
the biggest points you've heard are they

3212
02:39:49,740 --> 02:39:52,920
right so with it with me the steep slope

3213
02:39:52,920 --> 02:39:55,979
uh and

3214
02:39:55,979 --> 02:39:57,000
um

3215
02:39:57,000 --> 02:40:00,359
and the greater

3216
02:40:00,359 --> 02:40:06,290
ability uh for the rules to um

3217
02:40:06,300 --> 02:40:08,220
to come into play on

3218
02:40:08,220 --> 02:40:12,230
um environmental things

3219
02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:16,560
seems to me to be good reasons too uh

3220
02:40:16,560 --> 02:40:19,319
to to do this different zoning rather

3221
02:40:19,319 --> 02:40:24,410
than you are eight

3222
02:40:24,420 --> 02:40:26,660
I agree

3223
02:40:26,660 --> 02:40:30,600
sorry oh sorry it occurs to me we're

3224
02:40:30,600 --> 02:40:33,899
talking about I mean lots that are

3225
02:40:33,899 --> 02:40:36,000
diagonally cut I mean when we talk about

3226
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:38,220
rezoning

3227
02:40:38,220 --> 02:40:42,120
how how does that work with a partial

3228
02:40:42,120 --> 02:40:43,439
tract

3229
02:40:43,439 --> 02:40:45,720
part of it's in town already part of

3230
02:40:45,720 --> 02:40:48,720
it's being annexed and you're rezoning

3231
02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:57,590
results at all even though yeah okay thank you

3232
02:40:57,600 --> 02:40:59,700
one of the things about maps in North

3233
02:40:59,700 --> 02:41:02,720
Carolina they're all flat

3234
02:41:02,720 --> 02:41:07,560
but the lamb is not and it can vary a

3235
02:41:07,560 --> 02:41:10,260
lot from one little place to another

3236
02:41:10,260 --> 02:41:12,000
yeah and I think this particular

3237
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:14,880
property refers

3238
02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:18,240
uh several times already is a very steep

3239
02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:21,180
slope so for me it makes it appropriate

3240
02:41:21,180 --> 02:41:24,420
for sr2 I agree right

3241
02:41:24,420 --> 02:41:27,899
because it would impact the neighboring

3242
02:41:27,899 --> 02:41:29,580
properties

3243
02:41:29,580 --> 02:41:31,500
greater if it was

3244
02:41:31,500 --> 02:41:37,790
a pra yeah

3245
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:40,020
which is an item number three checklist

3246
02:41:40,020 --> 02:41:46,910
that's right that is correct well done

3247
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:49,800
so can you talk about is it a consistent

3248
02:41:49,800 --> 02:41:52,020
or inconsistent with a comprehensive

3249
02:41:52,020 --> 02:41:53,819
plan

3250
02:41:53,819 --> 02:41:56,460
I think that zoning this sr2 is

3251
02:41:56,460 --> 02:41:58,560
consistent with the comprehensive plan

3252
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:00,660
and the future land use map particularly

3253
02:42:00,660 --> 02:42:02,040
in the mountain residential that is

3254
02:42:02,040 --> 02:42:06,600
primarily a low density residential area

3255
02:42:06,600 --> 02:42:07,319
um

3256
02:42:07,319 --> 02:42:09,899
and you know along with all the

3257
02:42:09,899 --> 02:42:11,580
environmental qualities that you just

3258
02:42:11,580 --> 02:42:12,780
mentioned Environmental Protection and

3259
02:42:12,780 --> 02:42:14,040
preservation

3260
02:42:14,040 --> 02:42:16,740
um with those natural spaces

3261
02:42:16,740 --> 02:42:20,770
okay

3262
02:42:20,780 --> 02:42:23,220
well I did think that it was a split

3263
02:42:23,220 --> 02:42:25,800
zone is it is it not

3264
02:42:25,800 --> 02:42:27,899
well not when we get done

3265
02:42:27,899 --> 02:42:31,500
okay because right I've flipped the

3266
02:42:31,500 --> 02:42:33,300
zombie way up I gotta feel an air piece

3267
02:42:33,300 --> 02:42:35,939
of the triangle if zoned it all is you

3268
02:42:35,939 --> 02:42:36,840
are a

3269
02:42:36,840 --> 02:42:39,899
great and part of it is unzoned at the

3270
02:42:39,899 --> 02:42:42,660
moment right but with the description

3271
02:42:42,660 --> 02:42:44,280
you have in there it will make all of

3272
02:42:44,280 --> 02:42:47,660
this area I've described continues okay

3273
02:42:47,660 --> 02:42:51,730
srts

3274
02:42:51,740 --> 02:42:53,960
that's right

3275
02:42:53,960 --> 02:42:58,319
zoning No Man's Land too correct to

3276
02:42:58,319 --> 02:43:01,020
reflect them as a cohesive tract

3277
02:43:01,020 --> 02:43:04,610
even better

3278
02:43:04,620 --> 02:43:07,140
it just leaves number four I think the

3279
02:43:07,140 --> 02:43:09,180
allowed uses with the proposing District

3280
02:43:09,180 --> 02:43:11,760
are are not similar comparable to the

3281
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:15,960
permitted uses as currently zoned

3282
02:43:15,960 --> 02:43:17,819
they are very comparable we have we are

3283
02:43:17,819 --> 02:43:19,920
more restrictive but the ones that are

3284
02:43:19,920 --> 02:43:22,979
existing are on both sides

3285
02:43:22,979 --> 02:43:26,630
it's still all resonates

3286
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:34,510
foreign

3287
02:43:34,520 --> 02:43:39,370
Mr Mayor I'd make a motion that we

3288
02:43:39,380 --> 02:43:43,080
adopt the revised

3289
02:43:43,080 --> 02:43:45,359
uh ordinance

3290
02:43:45,359 --> 02:43:49,680
and Zone this sr2 to reflect the uh Mr

3291
02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:50,700
Sneed

3292
02:43:50,700 --> 02:43:51,740
the

3293
02:43:51,740 --> 02:43:53,819
owner's name and then the legal

3294
02:43:53,819 --> 02:43:55,319
description

3295
02:43:55,319 --> 02:43:57,120
taking all the property as he's

3296
02:43:57,120 --> 02:44:00,300
described okay any more discussion not

3297
02:44:00,300 --> 02:44:02,640
all in favor

3298
02:44:02,640 --> 02:44:04,280
okay

3299
02:44:04,280 --> 02:44:08,929
all right thank you Jessica

3300
02:44:08,939 --> 02:44:14,410
communication is that

3301
02:44:14,420 --> 02:44:16,740
do you want your legislative updated

3302
02:44:16,740 --> 02:44:20,530
you'd rather not know

3303
02:44:20,540 --> 02:44:23,399
there's actually some good news

3304
02:44:23,399 --> 02:44:25,859
well I will give you the good news and

3305
02:44:25,859 --> 02:44:28,859
then I'll give you the grain of salt

3306
02:44:28,859 --> 02:44:29,600
um

3307
02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:33,540
the bill Senate Bill 299 which was the

3308
02:44:33,540 --> 02:44:35,040
to uh

3309
02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:39,240
basically uh imposed on towns a huge

3310
02:44:39,240 --> 02:44:41,760
penalty if you don't file your audit on

3311
02:44:41,760 --> 02:44:47,640
time uh is that house bill stalled and

3312
02:44:47,640 --> 02:44:50,340
so we're safe on that point the senate

3313
02:44:50,340 --> 02:44:54,889
had a more modest version that

3314
02:44:54,899 --> 02:44:58,319
is still as brutal unfortunately

3315
02:44:58,319 --> 02:45:00,540
I mean I'm sorry Senate Bill didn't move

3316
02:45:00,540 --> 02:45:03,000
and the and the

3317
02:45:03,000 --> 02:45:05,280
house bill has moved has gone to the

3318
02:45:05,280 --> 02:45:07,319
Senate there's a chance you'll still end

3319
02:45:07,319 --> 02:45:09,899
up with that that penalty for being late

3320
02:45:09,899 --> 02:45:11,760
you're on it it's not a big deal for

3321
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:13,920
Black Mountain uh you guys have always

3322
02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:15,960
been timely I always had an auditor

3323
02:45:15,960 --> 02:45:18,720
online there is a bill pay companion

3324
02:45:18,720 --> 02:45:21,660
bill to sort of

3325
02:45:21,660 --> 02:45:25,140
get more Auditors online very few firms

3326
02:45:25,140 --> 02:45:27,060
are qualified to audit towns and that's

3327
02:45:27,060 --> 02:45:28,560
pretty good I've been a problem they're

3328
02:45:28,560 --> 02:45:31,920
trying to help that uh

3329
02:45:31,920 --> 02:45:34,439
there was a Senate Bill 254 I mentioned

3330
02:45:34,439 --> 02:45:37,140
last time which is exposes more of your

3331
02:45:37,140 --> 02:45:39,540
public your Public Employee records as

3332
02:45:39,540 --> 02:45:41,939
public records uh that is stolen the

3333
02:45:41,939 --> 02:45:44,160
senate committee so that's not moving so

3334
02:45:44,160 --> 02:45:45,000
far

3335
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:49,380
the house bill 140 uh and Senate Bill

3336
02:45:49,380 --> 02:45:53,700
251 uh the house bills passed that's the

3337
02:45:53,700 --> 02:45:55,439
one that allows the towns that they want

3338
02:45:55,439 --> 02:45:58,439
to use private crash investigators I

3339
02:45:58,439 --> 02:45:59,700
haven't heard a whole lot of towns that

3340
02:45:59,700 --> 02:46:03,120
are interested in it but some are uh on

3341
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:06,000
the affordable housing front there was

3342
02:46:06,000 --> 02:46:08,040
one that was supposed to

3343
02:46:08,040 --> 02:46:11,160
create a credit or give you the ability

3344
02:46:11,160 --> 02:46:13,260
to get some money for infrastructure we

3345
02:46:13,260 --> 02:46:14,640
didn't qualify anyway we don't have

3346
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:16,800
enough zoning districts but it's never

3347
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:18,899
made out of the house the reason I'm

3348
02:46:18,899 --> 02:46:20,640
talking about that point May 4th of the

3349
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:22,859
crossover day if a bill didn't pass in

3350
02:46:22,859 --> 02:46:25,620
one branch by May 4th and make it over

3351
02:46:25,620 --> 02:46:27,960
the other it's theoretically done the

3352
02:46:27,960 --> 02:46:29,479
water for this term

3353
02:46:29,479 --> 02:46:33,240
uh the workforce housing that's the one

3354
02:46:33,240 --> 02:46:35,939
that the lead was up in arms about

3355
02:46:35,939 --> 02:46:37,680
that's the one says if I go out there

3356
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:39,600
and I start a development of 10 acres or

3357
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:42,240
more and I call it Workforce housing a

3358
02:46:42,240 --> 02:46:44,220
town cannot Zone this state will tell

3359
02:46:44,220 --> 02:46:45,960
you what the zoning is fortunately

3360
02:46:45,960 --> 02:46:48,300
that's still stuck in the Zenith in the

3361
02:46:48,300 --> 02:46:49,439
Senate

3362
02:46:49,439 --> 02:46:51,780
and did and didn't make it make the

3363
02:46:51,780 --> 02:46:53,700
cross every day

3364
02:46:53,700 --> 02:46:57,420
uh House Bill 409 uh the one that would

3365
02:46:57,420 --> 02:47:00,540
require everybody to allow secondary

3366
02:47:00,540 --> 02:47:02,580
dwellings on all their residential lots

3367
02:47:02,580 --> 02:47:04,920
not a real concern to us we do that

3368
02:47:04,920 --> 02:47:07,500
anyway there are some restrictions on

3369
02:47:07,500 --> 02:47:10,200
the use sorry the inability to restrict

3370
02:47:10,200 --> 02:47:11,880
that second residence which we don't

3371
02:47:11,880 --> 02:47:13,500
particularly do anyway so that's not an

3372
02:47:13,500 --> 02:47:14,939
issue

3373
02:47:14,939 --> 02:47:16,979
um

3374
02:47:16,979 --> 02:47:21,540
the bill and the house to basically

3375
02:47:21,540 --> 02:47:23,460
speed up approvals for developments

3376
02:47:23,460 --> 02:47:25,560
which puts on burden on staff the

3377
02:47:25,560 --> 02:47:27,780
planning board that passed the house and

3378
02:47:27,780 --> 02:47:29,460
to go the Senate so that could end up

3379
02:47:29,460 --> 02:47:32,150
being law

3380
02:47:32,160 --> 02:47:34,140
the short-term rentals

3381
02:47:34,140 --> 02:47:36,780
uh has not made it out of the Senate

3382
02:47:36,780 --> 02:47:38,939
that the Senate bill

3383
02:47:38,939 --> 02:47:42,540
uh that's the one that literally removed

3384
02:47:42,540 --> 02:47:44,640
your ability to Outlaw short-term rounds

3385
02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:46,920
they give you some modest abilities to

3386
02:47:46,920 --> 02:47:49,859
control it uh that that it made out of

3387
02:47:49,859 --> 02:47:51,359
the house

3388
02:47:51,359 --> 02:47:54,110
um

3389
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:56,520
did not make it out did not make it out

3390
02:47:56,520 --> 02:47:58,680
of the house that means it's dead for

3391
02:47:58,680 --> 02:48:01,020
this session that's where the that's the

3392
02:48:01,020 --> 02:48:04,140
theory yeah unless they decide that the

3393
02:48:04,140 --> 02:48:06,840
reality yeah the reality is there's a

3394
02:48:06,840 --> 02:48:08,220
couple ways they're going to get you and

3395
02:48:08,220 --> 02:48:10,080
this is a big year to put play don't you

3396
02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:12,540
because those bills could come alive

3397
02:48:12,540 --> 02:48:15,479
again and it is an amendment to another

3398
02:48:15,479 --> 02:48:19,140
bill our legislature has even gone to

3399
02:48:19,140 --> 02:48:20,760
the point of taking the topic about

3400
02:48:20,760 --> 02:48:22,740
don't meet your horse take everything

3401
02:48:22,740 --> 02:48:24,960
about the horse out of that and stick in

3402
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:27,180
a housing ordinance statute and running

3403
02:48:27,180 --> 02:48:28,439
on through anyway

3404
02:48:28,439 --> 02:48:31,020
the big worry this term is we have

3405
02:48:31,020 --> 02:48:33,359
Medicaid expansion which has been tied

3406
02:48:33,359 --> 02:48:35,760
to the adoption of a budget you folks

3407
02:48:35,760 --> 02:48:36,960
remember we went a couple years without

3408
02:48:36,960 --> 02:48:38,220
a budget

3409
02:48:38,220 --> 02:48:40,979
if we don't adopt a budget then we don't

3410
02:48:40,979 --> 02:48:44,520
the Medicaid doesn't expand uh what a

3411
02:48:44,520 --> 02:48:47,460
golden opportunity to tag on stuff that

3412
02:48:47,460 --> 02:48:49,439
one party doesn't like because the

3413
02:48:49,439 --> 02:48:52,680
governor cannot be seen to veto a

3414
02:48:52,680 --> 02:48:57,180
Medicaid expansion bill so there there's some big risks you'll see some

3415
02:48:57,180 --> 02:49:00,420
of these come back before it's over okay

3416
02:49:00,420 --> 02:49:02,660
and that's the fun this week

3417
02:49:02,660 --> 02:49:05,780
thank you

3418
02:49:05,780 --> 02:49:07,859
all right

3419
02:49:07,859 --> 02:49:10,680
um do we have any comments from the

3420
02:49:10,680 --> 02:49:13,439
councils that they'd like to make

3421
02:49:13,439 --> 02:49:15,780
I just wanted to note that it's national

3422
02:49:15,780 --> 02:49:19,740
teacher and staff Appreciation Week Mrs

3423
02:49:19,740 --> 02:49:22,560
Shivers way to go and we have lots of

3424
02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:24,540
teachers in our community and School

3425
02:49:24,540 --> 02:49:25,800
staff

3426
02:49:25,800 --> 02:49:27,660
if you know one please let us know how

3427
02:49:27,660 --> 02:49:29,479
much you appreciate

3428
02:49:29,479 --> 02:49:32,580
one anybody else

3429
02:49:32,580 --> 02:49:34,920
not doing her emotions go into closed

3430
02:49:34,920 --> 02:49:36,960
sessions

3431
02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:39,650
so

3432
02:49:39,660 --> 02:49:43,939
all in favor all right