1
00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:13,599
Okay, we are now recording and this is
the Board of Zoning Appeals meeting on

2
00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:18,560
August 24th, 2026 at 6 p.m.
>> And if I could get a motion to approve

3
00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:24,160
the minutes that I sent last week from
July 27th, 2026.

4
00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:29,679
» So moved.
>> Second. It's been moved and properly

5
00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:37,280
second that the minutes from the last
meeting will be accepted and approved.

6
00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:39,200
» All in favor? All in favor?
>> I

7
00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:44,920
» I
>> thank you. [clears throat]

8
00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,920
» No nays. All carried. Motion is carried.

9
00:00:45,195 --> 00:00:46,800
[clears throat]
Mr.

10
00:00:46,239 --> 00:00:50,640
» No.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, we are here

11
00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:55,120
tonight to hear a variance request. Uh
the request has come in from a Bobby

12
00:00:52,719 --> 00:01:01,039
Carpenter who is in attendance and
toward back.

13
00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:04,960
» Mr. Carpenter has a contract to purchase
uh contingent on zoning and and

14
00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:09,760
contingent on him being able to do what
he would like to do with the property.

15
00:01:06,479 --> 00:01:13,119
Property is being sold. Um I think is it
still in the name of Rosa J?

16
00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,000
» Jimmy
>> Jimmy

17
00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:21,759
um I think we've heard a case similar to
this probably two or three months ago.

18
00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:27,360
Somebody wanted to use the lot. It is a
40 foot wide lot,

19
00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:33,360
70 foot deep. By deed, and I've included
the deed description on the back of your

20
00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:36,479
council packet or your uh board packet.
>> Yeah,

21
00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:41,840
» it's a 40 by 70 lot. Small, it's it is
what it is. Um

22
00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,439
because it is a non-conforming or
grandfathered lot, we're not here to

23
00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:50,560
talk about how small it is. The question
is how big are the setbacks,

24
00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:55,439
» right? Okay, that's the question that's
being requested tonight. Uh, typical

25
00:01:53,119 --> 00:02:00,399
setbacks in that zoning district would
be 12 feet. If you remember, it used to

26
00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:04,399
be 15%. We were finding on these very
small lots. I'm talking about six foot

27
00:02:02,399 --> 00:02:12,080
setbacks and that wasn't enough. So, the
rules were changed two years ago uh to

28
00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,040
either be 15% or 12 feet, whichever is
greater.

29
00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:22,319
» Correct.
>> Okay. So the 12 ft is the greater than

30
00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:29,200
the 15% and uh Mr. carpenter uh floor
plan which is also included uh is a 20

31
00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:34,640
by 20. Did I get that right? 20 by 20
and uh being 40t wide.

32
00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,959
20 ft of that would be in house that
would be 10 feet on each side with a 12t

33
00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:42,879
required minimum setback in the request
is a variance from two

34
00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,400
» about two feet per side.
>> Right.

35
00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:50,080
» And that's me. That's what we're here
for. And um yeah,

36
00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:55,040
» a 16 ft house would be permissible, but
there's not a lot of models of 16 ft

37
00:02:51,840 --> 00:03:00,239
wide. This is a 20 foot wide model and
I'll leave it to the PCA and as you know

38
00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:03,040
there joint some joint property owners
here and we have people representing the

39
00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:10,000
property.
>> Okay. Okay.

40
00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:17,280
I hereby open the zone of appears
meeting for anyone for public hearing.

41
00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:24,599
Are there anyone present to speak for
this proposal and property?

42
00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,599
» Mr. carpenter.

43
00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,319
» Once again, how everybody doing

44
00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:40,480
always just wanted to put a small house
for basic seen since 44.

45
00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:45,120
That's my goal. Something that anybody
can afford. Not to use, nothing big.

46
00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:50,799
Sort of like everybody in the
neighborhood. It's one level, easy to

47
00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:55,920
get in and out. Plus, I enjoy doing it.
And I use, you know, basically my own

48
00:03:53,120 --> 00:04:00,959
apartment. I found this nice property. I
thought maybe this be nice for somebody

49
00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:07,040
neighborhood. They want brand new home,
clean, nice neighborhood already.

50
00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:11,439
» You know, not crazy. One level similar
to what they got, just small.

51
00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,480
» And this is what
And this is in y'all's plan right here.

52
00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,079
» Okay.
>> Basically, I just couldn't find them. No

53
00:04:16,762 --> 00:04:21,359
[clears throat] small. You still want to
get around kitchen. didn't want to make

54
00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:27,040
the move.
>> My goal was to make like wire the doors

55
00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:31,199
so you can get in case you
>> wheelchair

56
00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:35,440
wire the bathroom
doors. The thing the doors would just be

57
00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:39,600
a little w and uh the driveway be set
back where you can walk without walking

58
00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:43,759
a whole lot to get to the house cuz my
mom had that problem as she got old. We

59
00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:49,840
had to find somewhere for her to go
without struggle. That's all I was

60
00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:53,280
trying to do, you know, nothing. I put
up a fence in the back and see where

61
00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:58,240
they have fence. This one, let's give
everybody a new fence. If they like, you

62
00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:03,280
know, that's reason
privacy also cuz everybody like their

63
00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:08,880
own privacy, nice club, just things like
that that I want to do basically

64
00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,960
little by little myself cuz I enjoy
doing it once again and I learned it

65
00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:18,160
from my father and he learned from his
father. So that's all I'm asking. It's

66
00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:21,840
only two feet this way, but front is
where I [snorts] really probably going

67
00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,160
to be set back. I think we talked about
that.

68
00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,600
» Mhm. I I'll address it here in just a
minute because there really are two

69
00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:31,600
requests tonight on the setbacks
>> and I didn't do a very good job

70
00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:35,039
presenting it. We had the side setbacks
of two feet

71
00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:39,280
» and I don't know if we necessarily have
an issue in the front.

72
00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:45,280
» 35 down to 30. It's supposed to be 35,
but you're allowed [snorts] to build

73
00:05:41,919 --> 00:05:49,280
build in the in line with an adjacent
home. So, Miss Williams's house

74
00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:53,199
» where your line your house comes out
towards Freeman, he would logically be

75
00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:57,039
allowed to build [clears throat] in line
with that. And I don't know what exactly

76
00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:01,759
what that measurement is, but for lack
of knowing exactly what that measurement

77
00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:06,240
is, I advertise it. So, there is a
two-prong variance. It may not be

78
00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:10,639
necessary because if it stays in line
with the front of his proposed house

79
00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,880
were to stay in line when the sideline
of your house on a Freeman Street side,

80
00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:18,880
he would be within
the guidelines of the the zoning

81
00:06:16,479 --> 00:06:23,120
warrants. I don't know if how far
exactly yours is back. [snorts] So,

82
00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:28,880
because I didn't know I did advertise,
okay, but it may not be necessary, but I

83
00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:33,280
it is advertised as a as a setback
variance in the front as well. So, do we

84
00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,520
need to address both variance?
>> I think you need to do them

85
00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:40,000
individually. Yes, ma'am.
>> Well, that turn sideway.

86
00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,360
» It's in a different orientation. Miss
Williams is on face of second street.

87
00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,720
The property that you have the front is
on street.

88
00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,199
» Usually, you line that house up with the
end of that to keep the look.

89
00:06:47,919 --> 00:06:53,360
» And you are allowed to do that in
Blackstone if it's within 50 ft of the

90
00:06:51,039 --> 00:07:00,319
property line that you can
>> Yeah, you can line up with her side. So

91
00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:03,440
it keeps the houses looking like
>> they all came out.

92
00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:09,680
» You try to set it.
>> Give him that 16 foot frontage.

93
00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:14,880
» So assuming that
it doesn't line up with the adjacent

94
00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:17,759
property. He's got a 70 foot deep lot.
>> Mhm.

95
00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:26,560
» He's got 20 foot in house supposed to
have 25 in the back. 55 he would only

96
00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:33,280
logically have 15 ft in the front. So I
advertise a front setback variance. So

97
00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:39,199
to maintain 25, 20 ft for the house is
45. That would leave you what? 25 ft

98
00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:44,880
instead of 35.
But if once

99
00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:49,520
a decision is made to move forward or
granted or not granted, then we could go

100
00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:53,840
in there and and line up to see how much
if any front setback variance would be

101
00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:59,160
required. But I don't have [snorts]
>> Is this your first project like this?

102
00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,160
» No.

103
00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:05,440
» Sizewise.
>> Sizewise.

104
00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:08,639
» No, usually do uh 24 by 24.
>> Okay.

105
00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:12,160
» It's as small as I can get.
Uh 20x4 [snorts]

106
00:08:09,919 --> 00:08:16,000
by 24 usually give you a washer and
dryer. Here you really got a space for

107
00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,000
» Okay. So,
>> you know, you might can squeeze it, but

108
00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:24,720
you got to change the plan that stuff.
This is your first project of this size.

109
00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,199
» That's small.
>> Okay.

110
00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,000
» Yeah, that's small.
>> Okay.

111
00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:34,800
» Cuz the light is so small. [snorts]
>> And was this and then a 20 by 20? Is

112
00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:43,360
that one bedroom?
>> One bedroom. Okay. Bath, kitchen. Um,

113
00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:47,200
did I get the plan for that?
>> I saw the outside plans but not the

114
00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,080
inside floor plan.
I think we need

115
00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,120
» I think we included the
>> just just this one was included.

116
00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,640
» Yeah, the experience.
>> Oh, I didn't give it.

117
00:08:54,320 --> 00:09:01,120
» Do you have the other
>> I don't have the file. Okay,

118
00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:08,296
» but it's one bedroom, one bath.
Fortunately, there's no back door on the

119
00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:08,296
front because the bedrooms [snorts]

120
00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:16,880
» unless as you go to find a way to make a
back door, it's going to be hard.

121
00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,360
Would that be a safety feature?
>> No back door

122
00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:23,360
» unless unless you put it in there and
them plans is not. So I have to change

123
00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:26,800
it as I go.
>> He asked me about the plans. The plans

124
00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:30,160
don't show it. But I have to put it in
there as I go cuz on the plans it don't

125
00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,320
show it,
>> right?

126
00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:38,800
» But as you build it yourself, you can
>> you can but is that your plan to put it?

127
00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,959
» More than likely it will be. I normally
do.

128
00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:46,959
» More than likely. I mean, I can't just
if they let me get a [snorts] bill, you

129
00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:50,560
know, you got to submit that to the not
just the board. I got to take it to the

130
00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,680
» fire probably would probably wouldn't
allow it there.

131
00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,760
» Yeah, I got to take it to the, you know,
>> Yeah,

132
00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,600
» you got to take it to the planning zone
somewhere different when you start your

133
00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:03,760
bill permit.
So, I had to make that change on my bill

134
00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,536
permit before I submit.
>> This all I can come up with right now

135
00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,800
cuz [cough]
[clears throat]

136
00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:11,120
» Mr.
Normally we have back doors. We have a

137
00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,880
little back porch.
>> Yeah.

138
00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,920
» On the houses out here.
>> Mr. [clears throat] Carpenter.

139
00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:20,640
» So, look,
>> I understand your business

140
00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:26,240
and I want to thank you for that. Thank
you for choosing Blackstone. But I've

141
00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:30,560
been looking at this. I I personally
find that kind of hard. I was sitting in

142
00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:36,480
my living room today looking at I'm like
my living room is about 20 by 20

143
00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:42,320
and I'm former military. I used to live
in a tent.

144
00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:48,320
And if you got a sixman or five men in
your platoon or or or squad, back in the

145
00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,680
day when I was in, they would give you
one half

146
00:10:49,519 --> 00:11:00,160
» of your tent.
If there's only five, all I have is a

147
00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:05,279
half a tent and I can't stay there. But
we got six, we give out six shelter

148
00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:11,040
half. But in essence,
I'm finding that hard to accept. And

149
00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:15,440
then
I've never been to jail, but I've seen

150
00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,320
plenty of jails say, and it looked like
that was going to be incarceration to

151
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,240
me.
>> I live in a 24 by 24. I built it for my

152
00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:27,120
first step. I was 21 years old.
>> Okay. [clears throat]

153
00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:31,200
» I live in one of them.
>> Kind of hard for me to accept. The best

154
00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,760
thing ever happened to me because I
ain't have no [clears throat] lot of

155
00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:36,880
electric bill. I ain't had no lot of
water bill. I had no gas bill,

156
00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:41,760
» right?
>> I ain't had no kids.

157
00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:47,200
All I needed was about 20. But that was
a two bedroom real somebody come. But

158
00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,959
you [snorts] talking about 4 feet. I
actually

159
00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:58,480
in Orange County, Virginia.
>> Okay. Been there many years.

160
00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:02,720
real reason and affordable and once
again it probably be $800 a month if I

161
00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,320
was to pay the rent $7 $800 cuz don't
cost a lot to do. Only thing I would

162
00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:10,988
have to do like you said is find a way
to put a back door

163
00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:13,920
and but you have to do that as you go.
[snorts] You know what I mean? When I

164
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,920
submit the build permit I will have to
make changes which I got to architect

165
00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:22,639
it. I think I show you that that design
but he'll charge me a lot more money

166
00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:27,600
to do that right now and I haven't even
got it.

167
00:12:24,079 --> 00:12:31,600
I I can't spend $2,000 I might not get.
That's what he charged me to change them

168
00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,920
blueprints.
>> Okay.

169
00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,000
» So,
>> but that's the only [clears throat]

170
00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:42,079
that's the only thing I can see that I
can do different.

171
00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:45,839
» So, is the whole plant [cough] all open?
>> Is it all open or is there is it walled

172
00:12:44,079 --> 00:12:48,800
off for like the bathroom and the
>> Oh, no. It just showing on the

173
00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:51,360
blueprints where it show you got the
ceiling fans, you got the kitchen, you

174
00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:55,120
got
>> bathroom would have to be [snorts]

175
00:12:54,079 --> 00:12:57,839
bedroom, too. I think
>> Oh, you got a separate door for your

176
00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:02,560
bathroom. Oh, yeah. Yeah. [snorts]
>> It's a little house.

177
00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,760
» All that's going to be up. Okay.
>> Is there parking on the street or will

178
00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:11,279
he have room to put a
>> code requires off streetet parking? So,

179
00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:14,720
you'd [snorts] have to put him
on the street, but there has to be

180
00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,800
accommodation for
>> they got enough

181
00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,160
» off streetet parking
>> because of the setback. Like say the

182
00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:26,320
neighbor the house is back [snorts]
pretty deep and the average car is w cuz

183
00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:31,200
we got Lincoln or something might be a
problem but you got a regular car like I

184
00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:36,139
got you can fit in it. Mhm.
>> I mean, I [snorts] don't know how much

185
00:13:32,079 --> 00:13:40,160
space one person would really need
[clears throat] what I how many people,

186
00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:44,000
you know,
most people just need a nice living

187
00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:47,600
room, nice kitchen,
bathroom, something to call their own,

188
00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:50,639
but I don't know.
>> And you're renting this, right?

189
00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:59,720
» I was planning on renting, like I said,
too. Affordable is affordable for a

190
00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:59,720
senior sense or a first time person.

191
00:14:02,339 --> 00:14:05,839
» [snorts]
>> That's the only thing you can do cuz if

192
00:14:03,839 --> 00:14:10,399
you got this much room now you got to
figure out a way to cut a little bit

193
00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:15,600
just for that door
house to stay the same size but now you

194
00:14:12,959 --> 00:14:18,079
when you walking into your
walkway.

195
00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,639
You know what I'm saying? You got to cut
a hole out right there. That's where you

196
00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:27,519
have to put your put your back door.
Much safer to have a back door. I agree.

197
00:14:25,199 --> 00:14:31,760
But I got to draw into the plans and and
that cause all I can do is

198
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:37,040
» well not only safer. I mean I'm not I'm
not sure but it it might be something to

199
00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,320
do with fire code as well having a rear
exit.

200
00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:46,560
» Well my first thing if an architect drew
it [snorts] you're paying for that

201
00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:50,720
code knowledge. So it may not be
required. I can't imagine an architect

202
00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:54,720
would prepare a set of drawings that
were no not code compliant. So my first

203
00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:58,639
thought is maybe because of the size of
the house, one bedroom, whatever reason,

204
00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:03,680
you don't have to have a back door. But
if you wanted to put one, I think that

205
00:15:01,199 --> 00:15:07,120
this body would certainly
>> Right. Right. Right. Change the plans.

206
00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,800
They're on there right away.
>> Yeah. I can't imagine he would buy a set

207
00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:14,240
of plans,
>> you know, that were publicly made

208
00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,480
available that weren't compliant. I have
to think it was.

209
00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,600
» Okay.
>> But I did get the drawing from I see

210
00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:24,480
that drawing where they put down the
driveway. I think that's on the front

211
00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:30,000
page that you looking at
>> uh right there [clears throat]

212
00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:36,005
at the setbacks.
He did draw that out for me, but I

213
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:40,800
didn't go further. He wanted to
[snorts] just have to hold out to make

214
00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:45,120
changes.
>> Okay.

215
00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:50,399
Is there any
other statements that you could make for

216
00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:54,639
this project?
>> Um, it would it would definitely help. I

217
00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:58,399
would get people in in the neighborhood
work if they want. I need people. I'm

218
00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,120
like, I'm far away.
>> Okay.

219
00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:05,519
» I think I met one gentleman that cut
grass. I already asked him if I get it,

220
00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:10,079
would he be willing to work to help me
maintain it until I can do something. He

221
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:17,279
said, "Sure." And I [snorts] keep him
going if he'd like. So, I'm already

222
00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:19,680
trying to, you know,
keep on.

223
00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:23,920
» So, when you say that, are you
referencing as you build it, you're

224
00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,880
going to get people locally to help you
build it? Is that what you're Okay.

225
00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:28,880
» Exactly.
>> Okay.

226
00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:31,839
» Exactly. I got it.
>> Yeah.

227
00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:34,160
» You need somebody to help trim the
trees. I have to hire somebody from

228
00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:36,639
around here.
>> Mhm.

229
00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,680
» Brick, everything. Um, the hardware
store. I have to find out where the one

230
00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:43,279
at
sell roof trust. [snorts] You got to

231
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,440
find out who do what, who do plumbing,
who do quick, who do

232
00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:51,920
» escavation.
Uh

233
00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:55,360
» you have to do everything that below
because it wouldn't make sense to come

234
00:16:53,199 --> 00:16:58,000
so far with my own team and it's just
me.

235
00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,880
» I don't even know if they let you pull
your own permission.

236
00:16:59,846 --> 00:17:05,120
[cough]
>> Excuse me.

237
00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:08,799
» Almost.
And and when is this set to start?

238
00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,640
» When [clears throat] are to buy the
property first? He's only going to buy

239
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,600
the property if he can get approval.
>> Right. I mean, this is all I'm saying.

240
00:17:13,919 --> 00:17:19,039
These all the steps. [cough]
Got to get Mr. Utility involved. You got

241
00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:24,160
to [snorts]
>> see, you know, who the neighborhood sell

242
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,839
the roof. You got to submit the plans to
him so he can order the right stuff.

243
00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:32,160
It's a lot involved,
especially when you're doing it

244
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:37,760
by yourself. You got to hire people that
got license for everything. electric,

245
00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:40,480
the plumbing, the AC. That way you know
it ain't going to be and you got a

246
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:45,600
spectctor. So if not right, he not going
to let it go through anyway.

247
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:52,302
So it's going to be done right
and fair and

248
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,302
that's all I was trying to do. [snorts]

249
00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,480
Is that all?
>> Yes, sir.

250
00:17:53,679 --> 00:17:59,919
» Appreciate your time.
>> Thank you. I was uh Mr. Bagley. I was

251
00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:05,600
just looking up that uh corner Virginia
V Virginia V Virginia residential uh

252
00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:10,640
code [snorts] does only require one
hinged exterior door

253
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,200
» on a building.
>> Irregardless of size.

254
00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:17,679
» Yeah,
>> I wouldn't get that. But I I would have

255
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:23,440
been shocked if a set of publicly
available plans were not co-compliant. I

256
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,799
really thought that would be [snorts]
>> okay.

257
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:30,080
» I had a severe issue with that, but it's
>> okay.

258
00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:35,280
» It passes code. It passes code. I I I
actually have another house that's

259
00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:40,960
supposedly it has two doors. I have a
front door and then right across

260
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:45,760
maybe 10 ft away on the kitchen side. A
side door. There is no door in the back

261
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,400
for four bedrooms. And yeah.
>> So, we're going to open up our

262
00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:51,600
opposition.
>> Are we going to open it up?

263
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,120
me. But
>> are there anybody else?

264
00:18:53,360 --> 00:19:00,000
» No.
>> Um, to speak for this project before I

265
00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,559
close the public hearing.
>> Yes, ma'am.

266
00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:04,160
» For
>> for

267
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,973
» for the pro Yeah.
>> Okay. [snorts]

268
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,480
» Good evening.
>> Good evening.

269
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:16,160
» Good evening.
>> My name is Jan. I'm here representing

270
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:23,679
the owner of the lot, Mr. Lawson. I'm
with Turnkey Real Estate um in Newport

271
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:29,919
News. Um, Mr. Lawson hired me
approximately about uh almost a year now

272
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:35,360
to sell this lot um for him. Um, him and
his wife um who is deceased at this

273
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:42,880
point um had purchased the lot. Um they
had um planned it at that time. Um the

274
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:47,360
lot is small as we all have said. Um but
there was a house on this lot at one

275
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:52,799
time and this gentleman actually had I
think a little side um building which

276
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:58,000
was his barberh shop at that time right
>> um after Mr. Lawson White had passed um

277
00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:02,320
about [snorts] two years ago he decided
that he was not going to do anything

278
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:08,080
with this man and so that's why he
contracted me. Um, I'm here because this

279
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:16,480
is the second time this request have
come up um for variance. Um, and the

280
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:21,919
reality is I want to advocate for it
because I have pictures

281
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:25,919
of what's going on with the lot now.
That's a nice picture in your packet

282
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:31,200
there, but a nice the lot is nice and
empty, but this is what's going on with

283
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:37,840
the lot. Now, I have a gentleman that
rides by the lot. um just checks things

284
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:42,880
out, make sure that it's pretty I mean
it was a for sale sign on it so it got

285
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:47,039
to look like it's for sale. Sometime you
have trash bottles or whatever. It's not

286
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:52,000
over the top but we know people are
sitting there. Um currently if nobody

287
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:57,679
have moved them there are chairs sitting
there. So pretty much people just kind

288
00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:02,720
of just hang out there at that spot. Um
the gentleman that kind of checked

289
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:06,880
things out for me, he posted a no
trespassing sign because it's for sale.

290
00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:11,440
So we constantly have people riding
through people calling me. They're going

291
00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:14,720
out and looking. And so basically people
are sitting around. They're like,

292
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:19,360
"Really? Is it for sale?" Um even with
my sign. So one day he came by and the

293
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:23,840
new trespassing sign was gone because
they somebody ripped the sign down.

294
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:28,400
» And so he went and he put another one
up. People were sitting there. He didn't

295
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:33,039
say anything to them. Um then all of a
sudden my sign go missing, my real

296
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:37,600
estate sign. And I think I called
actually Miss Lim being the neighbor. I

297
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:41,679
know she's there. And I said, "Okay." I
said, "The sign is gone. This is a

298
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:45,919
mystery." He went out, he couldn't find
it. Mr. Lawson one day went out and he

299
00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:49,520
found it in some brush in the backside
of the lot. I'm glad because I don't

300
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:56,960
know how to how I'm going to explain it
to my broker. Um, so the reality is it's

301
00:21:54,080 --> 00:22:03,440
a lot of sitting there and I think the
taxes on it is probably about I think

302
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:09,200
last time I looked it was $29 a year. if
you all would grant the variance.

303
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:16,080
For me, I'm I'm real estate, so I'm not
really specializing in the variance, but

304
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:20,559
the two feet set back the five from the
front.

305
00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:30,799
To me, it's not an unreasonable request
because the reality is $29 a year versus

306
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:38,000
$29 plus every month for utilities,
water, trash, um, electricity,

307
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:42,159
um, property taxes. Once something goes
on the lot, it's going to increase the

308
00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:47,120
value of it. And so you will, the town
will be benefiting. It would be

309
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:52,400
benefiting for you all, but then it'll
be benefiting for us not to have to

310
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:58,080
worry about it as being a hangout spot
there in the neighborhood. Um, we don't

311
00:22:55,039 --> 00:23:01,440
want to use town resources calling every
single time somebody's in our lot,

312
00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:04,799
they're trespassing because there no
trespassing on, but they're still

313
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,720
sitting there. Then it's some nice
houses in that community, beautiful

314
00:23:06,650 --> 00:23:13,200
[clears throat] houses in the community.
So when you have that type of activity,

315
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,559
anybody [snorts] else that goes to sell
in the neighborhood, do they really want

316
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:20,320
to come? I see it all the time with real
estate. People are constantly looking at

317
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:24,000
the neighborhood. And so if they feel
like that it's not a neighborhood that's

318
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:27,600
kept up and people are not hanging
around, it devalues [snorts]

319
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:36,400
the neighborhood. So I think Mr.
Coffler's request is really exciting

320
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:39,440
to Mr. Lawson. We would love to see this
land being used for something more

321
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,280
beneficial [snorts]
and that will benefit him

322
00:23:40,711 --> 00:23:46,480
[clears throat]
as the seller and also the town because

323
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:50,360
of the [snorts] revenue that you offer.
Any questions for me?

324
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,866
» Thank you. [snorts]

325
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:06,256
» Do we have any questions? Anybody
else present want to speak for this

326
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:10,480
project?
[snorts]

327
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:18,320
» So I hereby close the public hearing and
open it for is there anyone present want

328
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:21,640
to speak against this project? [snorts]
>> Yes ma'am.

329
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,360
This is the first time I ever been to a
town council meeting.

330
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,760
» Speak your mic.
>> Thank you.

331
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:42,799
» Can you hear me?
>> And provide your name so we can

332
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:48,480
name the news.
>> My name is [clears throat] Patricia H

333
00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:54,727
and I live in this area.
I live on Second Street,

334
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:58,720
but I also
[snorts]

335
00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:05,600
u pretty much if you want to call it.
I've been living there for almost gosh

336
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:14,240
about 10 or 15 years. [snorts] I enjoy
the area. There's never been no trouble.

337
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:19,600
And another disrespect to you to build a
house there.

338
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:25,760
It wouldn't
fit on a small property.

339
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:30,720
First, he said there would no be a back
door.

340
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:36,000
That's not That's supposed to be safety
if you get a back door.

341
00:25:34,682 --> 00:25:40,559
[snorts] Why would you have a front
door? Don't have a back door. But yet

342
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,640
you going to wait. You get all your
contract and everything together. You

343
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:51,200
should have had this from the beginning
before you want this property.

344
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:55,642
This is a nice area.
This area is for the [snorts] kids that

345
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:58,240
run around.
>> [clears throat]

346
00:25:56,159 --> 00:26:01,840
» and play.
Why would you want to take that away

347
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:08,240
from them?
I mean, some of the people that sit on

348
00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:13,679
this property is Mr. Lawson and friend.
So, he have no right to say

349
00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:17,440
all kind of people is sitting on the
property. Sometimes first you got to

350
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:22,880
look at yourself before you talk about
anybody else.

351
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:29,600
But to build a house there right now, it
will take away the view. It is a nice

352
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:34,720
area. We all get along. [snorts] But not
to have a back door. If you got a elder

353
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:39,200
person in there [cough]
in a wheelchair, can't get out, you

354
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:43,520
better not be able to get out the front
door.

355
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:47,919
So what you supposed to do? You ain't
got no back door, so you can't go

356
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:52,480
nowhere else.
Your room,

357
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:58,240
I don't know. I'm not familiar with side
of the rooms or anything. I just know.

358
00:26:55,279 --> 00:27:04,960
But suppose this person got a room, her
bedroom, got a telephone in it. She

359
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:10,159
comes out, there's a fire going on. She
can't make it back to her phone. Can't

360
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:17,120
make it to the front door.
What door is she going?

361
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:22,720
What door is she going?
And like I [snorts] said, this is a nice

362
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:29,919
area. We all together help each other
out. Even help the elders out. I do.

363
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:36,400
I've been in nursing for
years and I walked it worked in that

364
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:45,559
area. But for to build something right
now, no, I don't think so. I think it it

365
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,559
is the wrong time.

366
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,720
Where you going to park at?

367
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,559
You suppose somebody might want to come
visit you your friends or family. What

368
00:27:55,279 --> 00:28:00,960
they supposed to do? Park out in the
street or take one car park in that

369
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:04,799
area.
You never know when a car will come by

370
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:10,640
and hit this car parked halfway in the
street.

371
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:15,240
I mean, I know he did his work and
everything, but sometime you got to

372
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,240
thank.

373
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:20,880
So that's all I'm just saying what I
wanted to say.

374
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,679
» Thank you very much.
>> I have I have a question. So the

375
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:29,760
property
owner is the one that wants to sell the

376
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:36,720
property.
>> Yes.

377
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:38,960
» So with that being said, it is the
property owner's right,

378
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,600
» right,
>> to sell his property, right? And I

379
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:46,080
understand that maybe people have been
enjoying it and kids have been playing

380
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,360
on it.
>> Also, he been on

381
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:54,799
» but it's his property.
>> I understand. [laughter]

382
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:57,600
» So his property he gets to dictate
whether or not he wants to sell it or

383
00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,880
not sell it.
>> Right.

384
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:06,640
» Um the part of the door that was brought
up according to the code and I looked it

385
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:14,080
up legally
there only have to be one door legally.

386
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:17,039
So whether we agree or disagree, legally
it's allowed,

387
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:21,360
» but technically you're supposed to have
two doors

388
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:25,760
» legally by the code of building
>> it. The state of Virginia, I understand.

389
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:30,799
I've never lived in a house with one
door. I get what you're saying and I was

390
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:36,399
the one that originally said it, but I
had to look it up. And so to be correct

391
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:41,919
and to be legally and according to the
code, it is allowed. [cough]

392
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:46,880
Whether we like it or not, it's it's
allowed. Um, and so I hear what you're

393
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:53,520
saying. You live in the neighborhood.
You know, y'all enjoy the area, but

394
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:57,520
what is your reason
other than you living in the

395
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:05,360
neighborhood,
the kids enjoying it, the door, what

396
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:10,240
would be a reason for this property to
not be sold? If the owner himself is

397
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:18,000
saying he wants to sell it, can you give
me a reason?

398
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:21,039
» Um, no, not really. But like I said,
>> why would you want to build a house with

399
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:27,200
one door?
>> Cuz it's a

400
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:32,320
» is a person [snorts] a elder person that
cannot get out the house, cannot even

401
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,320
get out the front door. That's illegal.
>> It's legal.

402
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,760
» It's legal.
>> It's legal.

403
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:41,360
» The state of Virginia,
>> but it need to be corrected

404
00:30:40,571 --> 00:30:44,640
[laughter]
here.

405
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,176
» It does, but we cannot do that. I don't
understand. [laughter]

406
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,480
» But um
right now

407
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,000
I don't
>> That's just your feelings. That's right.

408
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,520
» You Okay.
>> I don't think that it should be right

409
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,320
now. No.
>> Okay.

410
00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:03,840
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

411
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,720
» Thank you so much.
>> Is there anyone else present that like

412
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:14,031
to speak against
this project?

413
00:31:12,011 --> 00:31:14,031
[snorts]

414
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:21,120
Philip, can I ask you a question?
>> The last time this property came before

415
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,640
us, was this the one that wanted to
build a twotory

416
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,760
» twotory hub?
>> I thought so. Okay.

417
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,760
» Last time.
>> Yeah.

418
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,840
» Hello.
>> Hello.

419
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:39,200
» I'm against it because like Miss Holmes
said,

420
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:43,120
not [snorts] what I don't think is right
at this time.

421
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,440
Then where you going have your parking
at

422
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:56,840
and where you going to have your
driveway coming in?

423
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:56,840
Right now all that is the right time.

424
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,812
» Anyone else? [clears throat]

425
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:06,960
» Good evening everyone.
>> Good evening.

426
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:14,080
» Good evening.
My name is Carolyn Williams. I live

427
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:18,240
right in the back of the um the lot and
I've been there for over 40 years. It's

428
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:23,279
hard to believe, but when the current
owner was there, it was a small house.

429
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:27,919
It was like a two or three bedroom
house. And Mr. Badley did have a back

430
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:32,080
door. And I knew that because I used to
go over there and frequent him. He was

431
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:34,960
um our neighbor and stuff. Um and I
didn't know anything about a back door

432
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,799
until he said it. I was concerned about
the makeup of it because I know the last

433
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:43,840
time we was here was a twotory and now
this is a one story. Um I'm really

434
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:49,760
concerned about the parking issue in the
10 ft versus the 12 ft because as you

435
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:53,919
know that's a lot of um traffic on that
second what is that Freeman and second

436
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:58,000
we have the Monoya green right there in
front of it. A lot of those residents

437
00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:02,080
walk over and catch the bus there
because the bus stop right there at that

438
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:06,159
tree. They have a little area that they
stand up, but the but they have to walk

439
00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:10,880
over it and get on the bus right there.
So, I'll be concerned about that also

440
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:14,159
and that is a high traffic area. So, all
of those things was on my mind when I

441
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:18,159
came here today. I'm glad it's
affordable because I'm always preaching

442
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:22,159
affordable housing. However, I would
like to make sure that it's affordable

443
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:26,399
safe house, especially if we're going to
put a elderly person there. Um, want to

444
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,240
make sure they can get in and out
whether you have one door or two door.

445
00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:34,080
As I said, I didn't know the plans
didn't have any back door, but it is a

446
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,840
message from Virginia. Shame on
Virginia. Um, I'm not here to make any

447
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:43,120
new rules or anything like that, but I
think we have to take everything that

448
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:47,120
was said in consideration um today.
And I did talk to some of my neighbors

449
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:51,279
like I did last time, my neighbors in
the apartment and on the side of me, and

450
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:56,399
they said that they would not like to
see a tiny house put in our area at this

451
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:59,519
time.
>> Thank you.

452
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,519
» Thank you.

453
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:07,279
anything from the committee.
>> What What are the dimensions of a tiny

454
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,839
house? Cuz this is not considered a tiny
house, right?

455
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:13,359
» It hadn't been presented to me as a tiny
house. And our ordinances don't have a

456
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:18,159
definition. You may be able to find it
online, but I don't know if a tiny house

457
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:20,480
actually has a minimum or a maximum
square foot.

458
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:21,963
» Yeah, there's different sizes of tiny of
tiny.

459
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:26,320
» Well, we do know it's going to be
[snorts] small. A kitchen, a bathroom.

460
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:30,639
» It'll be a 20 by 20.
>> We have to be realistic. We have to

461
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:34,480
realize that's small. So we just I just
take all that in consideration.

462
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:40,320
» But it's lovable.
>> Yeah, I understand that. Um but then I

463
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:45,040
also know that the prices of rental
houses around here, the average person

464
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:47,440
can't afford it. So if this becomes
something that people actually can

465
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:51,359
afford.
>> No, that's true. My aunt

466
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:55,200
» My aunt just moved here from uh
California and she's living with my

467
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,359
grandmother cuz she can't afford the
rent.

468
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:59,119
» Can't afford it. cost around here.
>> Yeah. I mean, it's ridiculous what the

469
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,680
cost.
>> She's a she's a school teacher,

470
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:05,599
» you know, here in town and uh
>> cannot

471
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:11,200
» can't afford to rent.
>> Person cannot afford to rent these

472
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:15,760
houses that have been allowed to be put
here.

473
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:20,320
» I need to close the public hearing.
>> He has

474
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,920
I just want to count on some of the uh
things they were saying.

475
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:27,520
» All right.
>> In case they don't, you know, didn't

476
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:32,800
know. But as I was saying, there will be
enough room for a car park. I wouldn't

477
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:36,240
put my car. The tree will have to go.
First thing, that big old tree have to

478
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:40,564
be gone. And I get permission from them
for that. That's enough room to park the

479
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,880
car. The second thing I would try to put
[cough]

480
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,760
I wouldn't want my mother not to be able
to get out, but I got to get blueprints

481
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,599
for that,
>> right? Which cause I wasn't going to

482
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:54,320
send that cuz this the only thing I
could get for now. But I got architect

483
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,880
to draw up where the driveway go. Did
you get that?

484
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,280
» I did not.
>> I got

485
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:04,240
better for me today if I had a picture.
I did not. That's why I was shocked when

486
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:11,599
I heard that.
>> Yeah. I just have some drawings

487
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:18,400
» which I did pay for to show uh I think
you said you're in the back. Yeah, sure.

488
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:23,240
Whoever in the back
got on there for that person

489
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,745
to show on there. I got where the
driveway go

490
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,745
» say [clears throat]

491
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:37,440
ain't no car that long.
I'mma get two. [clears throat]

492
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:42,240
That's what y'all not looking at. That
tree got to be gone. Got to level it

493
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:45,760
out. It's ways and they do got parking
on our side.

494
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:49,920
» Well, in your statement, you did say
remove large tree at

495
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,480
» I mean, you got to put the house there.
>> I got my statement

496
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,800
» and I think you're saying that you
haven't gotten the full drawings because

497
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:58,560
you don't know if you're going to get
permission

498
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,160
or not going to buy the property.
>> Yeah. So,

499
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:08,400
» you can't give an architect [cough]
until after

500
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:12,240
fix that the back door. And I didn't say
it has to be elderly. I said affordable.

501
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:17,760
» Right?
>> You get what I'm saying? I ain't say I

502
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:22,640
mean 21 years old people got jobs at
Walmart.

503
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:28,160
» But I'm making it for either.
>> So I'm about to do it twice.

504
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:32,720
» That that's all. So it won't be like
outdoor. And I wouldn't care if the kids

505
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:37,359
still come play there until I do it
because it can't be done overnight. It's

506
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:42,920
a big project. You know, I got nieces
and nephew, brothers and sisters. I

507
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,920
don't have a problem with [snorts] that.

508
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,960
» Count the ceiling tiles.
>> Okay.

509
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,359
» And that'll tell me how far 20 ft.
>> I was looking at the room trying to

510
00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:53,920
[laughter] What are the dimensions of
this room?

511
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:58,000
» Look at those ceiling tiles. I think
they're two foot each. They are to give

512
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:01,200
you perspective.
>> 10 of those tiles would be about 20 ft.

513
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:06,320
» Correct.
>> 14 16. So

514
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,079
» where from where to here would tell me
where to start.

515
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:13,680
» So let's just say if you start at the
front

516
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:15,839
» but you know all right 2 4 6 8 14
>> that row of lights right there.

517
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,920
» So
>> yeah right there when you get right up

518
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:25,920
there this and this
>> 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 and two more

519
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,960
feet.
>> Okay wide. So, it'll be a little wider

520
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,680
than this room, but it'll be from here.
>> A little bit wider. A couple feet wider.

521
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,839
And and approximately
>> to right here.

522
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,280
» Yeah. Not quite to the wall because
there's that little screen

523
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:43,366
that that thing.
>> Okay.

524
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,366
» My thing is [cough]

525
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:52,560
I I think I know a person or so that
>> kind of sleep in the post office.

526
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:57,722
» They would love to have a 20 by 20 house
to live in versus having to stay in the

527
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:02,000
post office at night.
>> [snorts]

528
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:06,480
» And there's several people
>> in this community.

529
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:10,880
» They don't have places to live. So to
have an affordable place, even if it was

530
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:14,240
a 20 by 20, I think they' take a 20 by
20 versus sleeping in the post office.

531
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,480
» Yes.
>> And and also um

532
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:18,400
» Yes.
>> Okay.

533
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,480
» If truly we know somebody's sleeping in
the post office, we need to be proactive

534
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,320
in doing something. Don't wait till a
house get built all of a sudden because

535
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:30,000
we're not against that. We just talking
about the traffic and what our neighbors

536
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:34,400
wanted. That's the whole purpose of us
coming forward because as I said before,

537
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,400
I'm all for affordability. I've been
saying this since day one since I've

538
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:43,119
been on the council.
>> But we're talking about apples and

539
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,480
oranges. One doesn't go with the other.
We may know somebody who's sleeping in

540
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:51,280
the parking lot. I mean, it pulls up.
That's that's horrible.

541
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,480
» But we're talking about building a house
on that property.

542
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,960
» I'm talking about affordability is what
I'm

543
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:07,520
I I am a and have always been uh a
advocate of if it's your property and

544
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:11,200
it's within the law, you do what you
want on your property.

545
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:13,520
» If you ain't breaking the law and it's
your property, you do what you want with

546
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:17,520
it.
>> I don't want somebody telling me what to

547
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,200
do with my house in my yard, in my
property. That's why I don't live in a

548
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,440
HOA.
>> I have a question for that. I mean, we

549
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,920
can go on all day with this and that's
not [snorts] my intent because I just

550
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:32,640
can't.
>> If that was the case, if we have all of

551
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:37,680
these concerns that you guys have good
proposals and your your thoughts, why

552
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,839
wasn't it so the first time when all
these concerns came out about the 10 ft

553
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,800
versus 12 feet? We wouldn't be here
today.

554
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,359
» I vote I voted I voted to to do it the
first time.

555
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:51,280
» I was I was outvoted.
>> Said no. So, we wouldn't be here today

556
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,320
to that story.
could have been sold

557
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:58,400
» that was not going to conform to the
neighborhood is the reason why

558
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:04,240
» because the the biggest thing that I
recall from that meeting was the parking

559
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,960
and if it was permissible then certainly
we wouldn't be here today.

560
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,760
» Okay.
>> So I'm just saying that

561
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:16,560
» okay
>> thank all of you for your candid

562
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:19,839
statements. So the public hearing is
closed.

563
00:41:19,203 --> 00:41:28,640
[snorts]
So I will accept a motion for or against

564
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:36,880
this particular project at this time.
Um I make a motion to accept the

565
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:41,359
variance request for the 10 ft on either
side

566
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:46,480
and the also the variance requests for
the frontage. Um,

567
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,520
» I'll make that.
>> Okay.

568
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,800
» Second.
>> Okay.

569
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:55,280
» Been moved and probably second by Mr.
Quick

570
00:41:53,599 --> 00:42:02,880
» Queen. Yeah.
>> Mr. Queen, excuse me. That the variance

571
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:08,480
for the 10 foot on the side be received
and accepted and the 30 foot on the

572
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:13,839
front will be received and accepted. It
would be down to 25 ft from 35 to 25 or

573
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,079
in line with the adjacent house if
that's even closer.

574
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,839
» Okay.
>> In line with the adjacent house. Yeah.

575
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:24,960
» Would be in line with the adjacent
house. All in favor of said motion

576
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,400
» say I.
>> I.

577
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:30,560
» I.
>> I.

578
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:34,920
All opposed.
None opposed. Motion carried.

579
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,520
» Thank you.
Do you have anything else built?

580
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,400
» I don't have anything else unless y'all
have any questions of me.

581
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:48,640
» Okay.
>> Now question

582
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:53,760
» on the final drawing. Will we get to see
that again to see if that

583
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:58,560
» Well, I guess it's not that important
there about that door, but that is a big

584
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:02,720
concern. get you a copy.
Said he [clears throat] would try

585
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:07,359
» consider. He said it was legally
required,

586
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:09,920
» but anybody with a heart would make sure
that there was safe.

587
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,800
» Any questions?
>> All good.

588
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,800
» All good. So, we will adjourn and it is
6:47.