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I will call this Bloomington City Council meeting to order tonight as Monday, September 14, 2026. Thank you

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to everyone joining us here in the council chambers. Thanks to everybody watching online. We will

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begin our council meeting as we always do if you are able, please stand and remove any head

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covering and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United

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State of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty

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Once again, welcome and thank you for joining us this evening.

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Council, our first official order of business is the approval of tonight's agenda, and as I'm sure you noticed, it is a key fee one tonight.

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We've got a lot on our agenda this evening, and it's going to take us a bit to get through it.

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Our first introductory item is item 2.1.

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It's a proclamation for the International Day of Peace, and item 2.2 is our second proclamation of the evening for suicide prevention month and week.

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And in 2.3, we will be celebrating our 2026 Hatch Bloomington program winners and looking forward

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to that, to celebrating them and the work that they have done, item 2.4, an introduction

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of new employees, and item 2.5, we are going to make an appointment to our merit board.

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Our consent agenda this evening has 24 different items on it, council member read us, I think

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has our consent agenda this evening, thank you for doing that council member, under item

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For our hearings resolutions and ordinances, we have eight different hearings resolutions and ordinances.

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The first item 4.1 and 4.2, those are resolutions would be adopting the preliminary 2027 tax levy,

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and our 2027 general fund budget and the conceptual general fund, 2028 general fund budget.

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Our discussion about the preliminary tax levy will provide an opportunity for public comment for folks in the chambers.

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Then we go into public hearings.

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We've got five or six of them.

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Item 4.3 is a public hearing regarding our delinquent water,

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sewer, stormwater drainage, garbage recycling,

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and organic assessments.

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Item 4.4, public hearing on our tree removal assessments.

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4.5, weed, brush removal assessments.

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4.6 are public nuisance of bait and assessments.

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And 4.7 are public hearing for civil fines

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for property-related violation assessments.

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But item 4.8 is a public hearing regarding a rezoning for the James Avenue City Homes, and our organizational business will wrap up with our City Council policy and issues update as it always does.

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As I said, Council is going to be a busy one, so looking forward to the conversation, also looking forward to making sure that all of our comments are to the point and brevity is our friend this evening, so let's keep that in mind.

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Council on this, there are any changes or anything to add.

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I would move approval of our agenda as stated tonight.

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Motion in a second by Council Member Rivas to accept tonight's agenda as stated.

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With no other discussion on this, I will note that Council Member Carter is remote this evening,

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and so all of our votes are going to have to be roll call votes.

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I'm just going to add also to where the time we spend this evening.

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So I'm going to turn it over, Ms. Ryash, you could call it the roll please.

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Council Member Carter.

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Aye.

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Donald Sandro, aye.

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Reeves?

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Aye.

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Nelson?

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Loman?

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Robert's in?

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Motion carries 70 and we have an agenda.

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And the first item on that agenda is a couple of proclamations, and I'm going to head down to the podium.

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As I mentioned, our first proclamation this evening is for the International Day of Peace,

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and I think we have a lake in Kennedy is our youth commissioner for HRC is here as lake in here with us at 30.

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Laken is TBD okay, we will wait, we will welcome him if he arrives, so very good.

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So the proclamation for the International Day of Peace here in the city of Bloomington,

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September 21st, 2026. Whereas the shared goal of peace inspires and

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unifies people across the world as one of the humanities deepest hopes.

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And whereas the theme for this 2026 United Nations International Day of Peace

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is invest in peace for everyone everywhere every day.

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This powerful quality action honors the grassroots architects of stability, reminding us that

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long lasting harmony is built through daily, local acts of compassion, equality, and community dialogue.

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And whereas our journey of peace and the priority to create a connected welcoming community is defined and emphasized in Bloomington's strategic plan.

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And whereas in light of the ongoing repeated tragedies in our communities, including the killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretty,

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Our resolve for peace takes new life and meaning amid the heartbreaking impacts on our neighbors, friends, and families.

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And whereas the year 2026 marks 19 years of civic plaza as a peace site, which represents our commitment to seek peace within ourselves and others.

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Reach out in surface, pursue environmental sustainability, respect diversity, foster inclusivity, and be responsible citizens of the world.

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Now, therefore, I, Mayor Tim Bussey, do here by proclaim September 21st as the

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International Day of Peace, day to this 14th day of September 2026.

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As the Proclamation indicates, this is an annual Proclamation that we do read and I do recall

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when the Civic Plaza was designated as a place of peace and our peace poll out front indicates

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that.

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And I think it's a good reminder every day that it's something that we can't just take for granted

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and it's something that we have to work toward.

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And I appreciate this proclamation every year.

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And I'm happy to present it on behalf of the movement.

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So in a blanket, Lincoln shows up.

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We're going to make sure a little bit later.

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Very good.

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Item 2.2 on our agenda is our second proclamation.

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And this is for our National Suicide Prevention Month

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and National Suicide Prevention Week.

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The month, of course, is September and the week

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is September 13th through the 19th.

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And so we are in the midst of National

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suicide prevention week. I believe we have with us Jen Owens, the director for programs

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for Save. Are you here, Jane?

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Come on up, please. Please.

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You can join me here and I will do the proclamation and I'll turn

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the microphone over to you.

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All right.

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Proclamation for national suicide.

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Next slide, prevention month, September 26th, and National Suicide Prevention Week, September 13th through the 19th, 2026.

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Whereas Suicide is a major community issue that requires vigilent attention and preventative action with 845 Minnesotans dying by Suicide in 2025.

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And whereas each step by Suicide directly impacts numerous family members, friends, loved ones, and by extension the entire community.

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And whereas the city of Bloomington is committed to ensuring that those in need have access

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the services by healthcare providers trained in best practices to reduce suicide risk and

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to reducing the stigma associated with using behavioral health treatment or losing a loved one

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to suicide. And whereas the city of Bloomington recognizes organizations such as suicide awareness

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voices of education or save and its own internal Bloomington cares team for their efforts in educating

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the public and providing services for those at risk.

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And whereas the Bloomington Police Department is utilizing the first of its kind in Minnesota,

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local outreach to suicide survivors, it's a team initiative.

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The loss team provides immediate direct support to people and families in Bloomington who

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have experienced the loss of a loved one to suicide.

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And whereas the month of September is recognized as suicide prevention month and September

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The 13th through the 19th is recognized across the United States as suicide prevention week.

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Now therefore I may or 10 bus you do here by proclaim September as suicide prevention month

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and September 13th through the 19th as National Suicide Prevention Week in the City of

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Bloomington, Minnesota and call upon the people of Bloomington to observe this month and

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week by working with your families, friends, neighbors, co-workers and leaders to become

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more informed of mental health issues that contribute to suicide.

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day to this 14th day of September, 2026. This is also an annual proclamation that we do

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here in Bloomington. I think it's one of the more important ones because we don't often

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do proclamations that actually directly and impactfully affect people's lives and talk about the

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need for people to step in and to support and to do what we can to prevent the terrible tragedy of suicide

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in our community. So Jen, director of programs at Save, we're so glad you are here this evening.

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I'm going to turn over the microphone to you.

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Well, thank you, Mayor.

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And thank you to the City of Bloomington for this

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Proclamation recognizing Suicide Prevention Month, the

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September and Suicide Prevention Week, which is this week.

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While September is an important time to elevate Suicide Prevention,

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I especially want to recognize the City of Bloomington for your

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support of our post-vention work through our

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lost teams that you mentioned in the Proclamation.

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A loss team stands for local outreach to suicide survivors is a community-based team that connects with individuals and families after a suicide loss, offering connection, resources and support from people who've been there. They've experienced a similar loss.

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We believe that post-fension is prevention. When we support people after a suicide, we can help further reduce isolation that often survivors feel after a loss.

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We can connect survivors to resources much sooner than they would naturally reach out for care or for support.

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And we can also connect them to ultimately helping prevent further harm that can come from a suicide loss.

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So we're incredibly grateful for this partnership.

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We have with the City of Bloomington with Bloomington Cares and the Bloomington Police Department,

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which all makes this program possible.

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We value this collaboration deeply.

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We look forward to another year of working together to support this community.

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So thank you again for this recognition and for being a part of the work to build a community

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where people can find hope, connection and support.

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If you want to learn more about Save and R work, you can head to our website Save.org.

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And then I also just wanted to highlight 988.

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If you or someone you know is currently struggling with emotional distress, thoughts of suicide

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or even issues around substance misuse, you can call text or chat 988. They're there to offer support 24-7.

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So thank you all for your time tonight.

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You're gripping green?

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Thank you.

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Thanks for being here.

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Of course.

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Next on our agenda council is item 2.3, which is our half-blooming to 2026 program celebration.

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Sean Lundy is going to come up and lead us through this and we're going to do then eventually meet

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our winners this year. I think that the video explains it if not Sean Will, but this is a

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remarkably successful program for the past three years in the city of Bloomington. Hatch is

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absolutely a success item that we can be proud of and that as I've said in the past,

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when cities do good work, other good cities copy it and we copy this and I'm Blooming, now

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other Minnesota cities are trying to copy us as well. So we're very proud of that. Sean,

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Thank you for being here this evening. Welcome.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Good evening, city council members.

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As the mayor pointed out, my name is Sean Lundy.

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I am the special projects and initiatives manager.

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With the city of Bloomington.

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So I wanted to just talk a little bit about the hatch program before we recognize these five winners.

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I want to showcase the impact of the program as a whole.

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Talk about some past success stories

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and then invite them up here to be recognized.

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I'm

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going to start dancing here in a second.

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So the $100,000 Hatch Bloomington pitch competition was launched in 2024, originally to

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be in support of entrepreneurs looking to launch the retail brick and mortar space in

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the city of Bloomington.

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Under that design, we had two successful winners over the past, first two years of that program.

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As you can see in the slide, year one winner in 2024 was Scramling Egg.

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They were a food truck that was looking for a retail spot to move into and expand throughout the city.

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Year two, we had bookmother with the Founder Twilight Dang.

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That is an independent bookstore designed as a welcoming third space.

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And she is moving towards getting a retail spot open later this year.

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So this is where we get to brag a little bit about the program.

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So beyond direct financial assistance, the small businesses, the program also shapes the wider conversation about the city of Bloomington that's taking place in the media ecosystem.

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Since 2024, the program has gained significant traction across all media platforms, and it's in the media ecosystem, even as recently as this past weekend.

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So I just wanted to draw your attention to a couple key numbers that you see on the slide.

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Across online and print media to include radio, TV, YouTube, and social media platforms,

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Hatches reached an estimated audience of about 250 million eyeballs.

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This resulted in an estimated publicity value for the city of Lumington of $11.7 million.

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This coverage includes WCCO CVS, KSTP, Carol 11, Fox 9 morning news, Axios Twin Cities, the Minneapolis

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St. Paul Business Journal, and like I said, even as recently as this past week in the start,

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you'd be in red and article.

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So getting into your three, what we're here to celebrate tonight,

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the start of this year brought significant and broad economic pressure to the wider Minnesota small business community.

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exposing Bloomington's ecosystem to additional financial strain.

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So for the 2026 program, we adjusted our strategy to meet the small business community

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where they were at.

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Instead of awarding $100,000 in financial assistance to one entrepreneur,

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the 2026 hash program was redesigned to support multiple existing local businesses

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that are facing challenges or looking to expand in the city of Bloomington.

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The winners of this year's competition are here tonight and they're all sitting behind me here and we are excited to recognize them

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but first we want to play a quick video.

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We've been serving the Bloomington community for 12 years now.

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We do repair mechanical as well as anything that has to do with collision.

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This was a dream that my husband had.

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We both worked side by side until he passed us here.

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We want to keep going not only because it's something that we built with him

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but it's something now that I'm filled with my daughter

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who is my right hand now.

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We get a lot of visitors from other states.

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We get a lot of orders from the airport.

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We serve authentic Afghan cuisine.

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I own this restaurant with my brother and my family.

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We've got five greenhouses that we fill in this springtime.

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Korki is kind of the best way to describe our place.

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We wanted to feel light and fun.

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We are a brewery in tap room.

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the first in Wilmington. It has been a Wilmington endeavor. All of our investors are either

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from Wilmington originally or the current for living Wilmington. We really wanted to be part of

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the community. The next place has been around in the Wilmington community for a little over 40 years

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now. My dad and mom are the current owners. This will be our 21st year where just a more classic

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diner that offers a lot of burglars sandwiches and roasted chicken. I think some of these initiatives

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by the city are going a long way to really promote the fact that the city is open to small businesses

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encouraging small businesses. My brother told me about the hatch program and I applied for it

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because I was so convinced with the program and the way it's going to affect my business.

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So I was so excited. I really appreciated the fact that Bloomington was investing back into

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what is already here because there's so many amazing little spots and Bloomington that people don't

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know about. It's kind of exciting the city wants to keep us here. It's flattering. It feels like

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part of Loomington and people care out there, even the locals, how many people found out about

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they had. Like customers will come up and tell us, it's so nice that you got selected,

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they high-five you, and I don't know how they know. It goes to show that people follow us down.

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I know we saw our community for the last 12 years, but this last year we felt a lot of support

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from the, when she was amazing to have them stop by and just checking on us, things to everyone

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who has helped us and supported us all this time.

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There's like Mayor Busy to come down here.

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Thank you, Sean.

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And Sean said, we had two very successful hatch

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of limiting years, starting entrepreneurs, new businesses

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in the city of Bloomington.

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And we got to it this year and realized

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that we had a lot of folks who wanted to start a new business,

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but we also had a lot of businesses

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that were already here that were paying rent,

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paying employees, serving our community,

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becoming a part of the community,

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and they needed some help.

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And so this pivot to hatch Bloomington loves local really came as an understanding and an

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acknowledgement that we want to keep them to keep businesses.

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We want to keep them in town.

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We want to have them keep hiring employees.

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Keep serving our community.

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Keeping part of this community.

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And so I'm very proud of first of all the work that Sean and the rest of our staff did to pull all of this together.

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They did outstanding work.

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As I said, this is the envy of a lot of cities in Minnesota.

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would love to have something like this and to be able to do something like this. I'm so proud

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of all the businesses that applied and we're going to meet five of them tonight, but there

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were a lot of folks who applied and all of them had a definite need and we definitely want

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to support them. I also want to thank our Bloomington Port Authority. Originally, we started

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with this pot of $100,000 that we were looking to distribute to our winners and when we saw

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the value and the quality of what our winners were doing, our port authority led by Holly

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Macyk and I thought Holly was here, she was here earlier, don't need a contribute in

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an extra $24,000, so with the total budget of $124,000 we are able to fund and support

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five different businesses in town.

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So this is a community-wide effort, and I'm so proud of our winners tonight, I'm proud

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of the community that supports this, I'm proud of our past winners and staff.

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This is really something very cool and you need to the city of Bloomington so give yourselves a round of applause

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So thank you so very much

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and now we're just going to do the official formalities here get everybody up here to receive your plaques

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To do the gripping grin and to make sure that you get a chance to to for people to see who you are

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We are going to start with autos autobody collision and repair center

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Come on up

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come on up, get hold on to that. Everybody smile and wave.

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Now I will say I've not brought

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my car to your business because I've never had a car worth fixing honestly. So I just

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don't bother. So I apologize to that if I can eventually afford a car worth fixing.

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I'll definitely look you out by promise. I have also, unfortunately, not been yet, not been yet to afghan,

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dover. Join us. Thank you.

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I have, in fact, been to nine miles once or twice.

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So congratulations to Bloomington Brewing in taproom, our nine mile brewing folks. Bob, congratulations.

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And I have also been many times and spent a lot of money with our friends at the Bloomington Garden Center in landscape company.

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And I will say the folks at Zeex Place, Zeex became a special place for my family when we were going through a rough patch with my mom,

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who was sick, and we would meet a lot of times at Zeex,

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because it was kind of a central point,

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and that's kind of, it became an important place in our lives.

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So I'm happy to present this to Zeex,

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please, as well.

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Let's give all of our viewers a big round of applause, please.

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Council next in our agenda, as we have our hatch folks,

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work their way out, introduction of our new employees.

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We've got three new public work employees,

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and Tim Barrett, from our public work staff,

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is going to do some introductions,

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and we're going to say hello to them.

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It's pretty good evening.

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Good evening Mayor and council members.

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It is my privilege tonight to introduce

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three of our newest public works employees.

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I will start with Amy Hayum.

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Amy came to us from a neighboring city.

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She was smart enough to cross the border.

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I want to say which city but we can kind of imagine who it is.

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So Amy holds a certification and vehicle title in

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registration which helps process motor vehicle documents,

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which is perfect because she works in our fleet

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vision as our office sports specialist. Amy grew up in Bloomington, so she is a local resident

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as well. She loves spending time outside work traveling with family and spending time with

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your family. So, Amy, welcome.

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Hello.

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Glad to be here.

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Welcome, we're very glad to have you here. Welcome.

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In our next employee, Evelie Goldman is our equipment operator within our street division.

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It really comes with 20 years of equipment operation, experience, and most recently working

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with a local asphalt company.

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He holds a class A commercial driver's license, and when he's not working, he enjoys spending

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time exploring national parks with his wife and three kids, along with snowboarding and

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skiing in the mountains.

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Everley?

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Welcome.

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Thanks for being here.

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And third but not last is Jacob Stone.

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Jacob Stone is a service technician within our facilities of vision.

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He has over 15 years experience in facility maintenance operations.

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Some of his work includes maintaining public schools and county facilities and most recently

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he directed management maintenance at a, sorry, at a assistive living facility.

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Jacob Poles and Minnesota first class see boiler's license, the class the wire operator

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license and a commercial pool operator certification.

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Jacob grew up in Richfield and outside of work enjoy something fishing camping and hiking and pretty much anything that gets them outdoors.

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Welcome, Jacob.

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Thank you.

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Glad to be here.

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Well, thank you all for being here.

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Thank you, Jim, for the introductions.

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Thanks for joining us here at the City of Bloomington.

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We're very happy about that.

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I tell all of our new employees.

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It's a big responsibility because for a lot of folks you are the face of Bloomington.

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They may or may not know who sits up here, but they'll certainly know the people who are working out there.

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either on the streets or in our public works department.

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So it's a big responsibility, but I've got complete confidence that you're going to be able to manage it and do very well with it.

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So look forward to seeing you around town and look forward to working with you.

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Welcome aboard.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Council, our last item under our introductory items is an appointment to the merit board.

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We had an opening on the merit board due to the tragic passing of John Locke.

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John was a long time merit board member and was a great leader in this community and we're going to miss him a lot.

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but we realized we needed to make the appointment

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and so we put out the call for applicants.

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And as we do with all of our boards or commissions,

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we had an interview process.

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We had, I think, officially five applicants

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and four people that we did interview.

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And the interviewers, it was Peter Zuna and myself

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that did the interview for this.

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And so it was standard.

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It was the basic things that we do as we,

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as I said, fill all of our boards and commissions.

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And I do want to say, I want to thank everybody

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who did apply. We had a nice group of applicants with, they were willing to step forward.

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They were willing to serve their community. They put the time in the process into the application

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and I appreciate that. As I know, you all know the merit board requires judgment, fairness,

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and the ability to carefully consider different perspectives from a variety of different perspectives.

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And I'm confident any of our applicants would have done this very well. I'm also confident

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they would have been thoughtful and deliberative in their approach, and after considering all

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of our applicants in Peter and I had a good conversation, I had, I believe, and we are

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making the recommendation that Page Roman is the strongest choice for the appointment

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to this position.

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For a variety of reasons, first of all, Page brings extensive leadership and management experience

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at the University of Minnesota, where he has served in senior leadership roles, overseen

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the operations, budgets, and significant number of employees.

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In this current role, he leads operations across the system with more than $250 million in budgets and more than 1100 employees.

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That experience gives him strong understanding of organizational management and the responsibilities that come with making big decisions that affect him.

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Second page also has substantial experience with labor relations, policy interpretation, and with sensitive personnel management, management and issues, which obviously plays right into the merit boards, responsibilities.

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And finally, page head six years of service on the Bloomington Planning Commission, and he would be especially valuable. I think as a merit board member, the experience means he already understands how Bloomington operates. He has first hand experience with the responsibilities of public service, obviously.

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And he knows the importance of applying city policies fairly and even the across the board.

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So I really do think that all of that experience, that background, that information,

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the knowledge that page brings, it will allow him to step right into the merit board with

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a good level of understanding.

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And again, I want to thank the applicant pool.

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I think they've done a wonderful job coming forward, and I think they would all do well,

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But it is my recommendation to a point page to the member of the merit board.

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So that's the recommendation of the interview panel.

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And as we always do, you are free as we take a vote now to vote for any one of the applicants

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and you have the list of applicants there in front of you.

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We will call the roll and everybody will have one vote on this and we will see if we get

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to four votes and if not we will take our next steps that we will decide what is next.

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So everybody clear on that.

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Very good. Mr. Raik, could you call the voting please?

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Carter.

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Page Roman.

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Talessandro.

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Alkenkar Roman.

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Rivas.

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Roman.

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Nelson.

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Roman.

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Roman.

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Page Roman.

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Robertson.

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Mayor Busy.

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At Page Roman.

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Council.

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With the 70 vote, I would make a motion to appoint Page Roman to the Mayor Board for a term

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from the date of appointment, which would be today and tell December 31st of 2026.

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So moved.

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Motion by Council Member,

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Loman and Second by Council Member Dallisandro to appoint

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Page Roman to the Mayor of Borden.

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No further counsel to the discussion on this?

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Ms. Wright.

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Carter.

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Aye.

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Dallisandro.

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Rebus.

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Aye.

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Nelson.

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Loman.

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Robert Sun.

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Merbus.

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Aye.

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Motion carries 70.

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Congratulations, Paige, and welcome to Bloomington's Mayor Board.

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Next in our agenda council is our consent business.

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Council Member Revis has the consent agenda tonight.

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Council Member Revis.

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Sorry to interrupt, but I can't hear anything.

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So I'm not sure.

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We're not quite there yet.

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Council Member Revis.

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You have any holds.

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Do you have any holds?

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Council Member Cary?

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Nope.

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I move items 3.1 to 3.11.

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And item 3.12 to 3.24.

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I'm holding item 3.12.

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I'm holding item 3.12.

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We have a motion.

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Do we have a second?

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Second.

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Motion by Council Member Rivas.

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Second by Council Member Lomond.

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And to clarify, this is to approve item 3.133.11.

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And then 3.13 to 3.24.

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24. No further counsel discussion on this?

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Who's right?

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Carter?

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Aye.

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Talessandro? Aye.

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Reeves? Aye.

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Nelson?

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Aye.

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Lowman? Aye.

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Robertson? Aye.

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Merbusy?

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Aye. Motion carries 7-0.

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Item 3.12.

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Council member Lowman.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I don't want to make this into a big deal.

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I just don't agree with the changes that are being suggested here with the

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loss for the advisory board of health and rules procedure. I think everybody pretty much knows

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my background on that so I don't need to elaborate on all that but I just wanted to hold this

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I could vote no. Very good. With that, council member Rivas, could you please move item 3.12

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fleet? For us.

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We need your microphone, council member. I move item 3.12. I can.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Motion.

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My council member, Rivas, second.

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My council member, Dala Sando, to accept item 312 on the consent agenda this evening,

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that is to approve the advisory board of health by laws and rules of procedure.

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No further counts of discussion on this.

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Ms. Wright.

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Carter.

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I.

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Dala Sando.

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I.

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Rivas.

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Aye.

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Nelson.

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I.

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Loman.

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No.

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Robertson.

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Aye.

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position. Thank you, Council Member Rivas. Appreciate it. Moving on to our hearings, resolutions,

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and ordinances. Item 4.1 on tonight's agenda is the resolution adopting the 2027 preliminary

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tax lobby with an opportunity for public comment. Cardi Carlson from our finance staff is going

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to lead us through this one. And what the plan is, we will do the presentation and then we

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able to speak on the on the resolution. And there'll be a two minute limit per for our comments

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and then the council will take it up after that. That's Carlson, good evening. Welcome.

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Good evening. Good evening, Mayor and council. So yes, tonight I will walk through the preliminary

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2027 tax lovy and general fund budget along with the conceptual preliminary 2028 tax lovy and

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general fund budget.

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So here's our agenda for tonight. So I will walk through basically

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what's driving the changes and some key highlights around the budget and then we'll open

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it up for a public comment and then council discussion and consideration of the resolutions.

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So before we get into the 2027, Levy, I want to provide some historical context. So in

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The preliminary levy was 9.44%, but we were able to bring that down to 6.96% by final adoption.

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And then over the last four years, our preliminary tax levy increases have averaged 10.23% for preliminary average compared with an average final increase of 8.32%.

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So, just this shows that the preliminary levy is a starting point and we will continue working to reduce that before final adoption.

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So here is the proposed twenty twenty seven preliminary city tax levity. It is one hundred point two million dollars. And that is an increase of six point two four million dollars or a six point six four percent increase.

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And you can see on this table that the largest increase is in the general fund, which will break down in more detail in the next few slides.

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And then you can also see that that increase is partially offset by a 1.9 million dollar reduction in debt payments and a 150,000 reduction in the Normandale Lake District Tax Abitment Capital Projects Libby.

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You'll also see that a forestry, we're moving that from a special revenue fund and to the general fund.

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And also shifting $200,000 of a levy from the ice carton to the community health and wellness center to help prepare for operations and opening in late fall of 2027.

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So here's a combined bloomington levy with the HRA in the port.

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So in this chart, the city levy itself is increasing.

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And the previous chart, we showed that the city by itself is increasing by 6.64 percent from last year.

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Also, when we combine the city, the H&O port levies, the total combined levies, also increasing 6.64 percent.

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And of that combined increase, the contribution from the city is 6.26 percent, or percentage points from that combined city levies.

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So now, looking ahead to 2028, and I want to stress that this is a conceptual

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levy for planning purposes, but since the reason for that is that the actual 2028

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levy will be established next year. And at this point, we're just rejecting a total

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of about 110.1 million, which is an increase of 9.85 million or 9.82 percent, and that increase

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is primarily driven by the general fund and the debt payments for tax levee. And then also

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we're projecting out an increase for community health and wellness center, just as that facility

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moves into its first full year of operations. So we'll continue, of course, for finding both

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general fund and a debt levy as we move through the 2028 budget process next year.

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And I just want to point out without that increase in debt service that the projected levy

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increase would be about 7.14%.

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And then also as a combined preliminary,

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conceptual preliminary for 28. When we take city, HRA port levy's together,

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It's about 116.5 million in overall increase of 9.5.9.

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So this city accounts for the vast majority of the increase, smaller increases for the each

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or a import that we're projecting, as I mentioned on the previous slide, a significant portion

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of the city increase is that $2.7 million increase in debt service.

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So again, without that, the city portion would be around 7.14.

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And again, to say these are conceptual numbers, and we will be refining them before that's

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next year.

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So this slide just shows how our tax base has changed over the last five years.

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So after significant growth in 2023, the growth has been much more modest in recent years.

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And then if you look at the last line of that chart for 2027, the local rate tax capacity is

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to 0.1%, and the residential values are growing 2.6%, while commercial and industrial and

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apartment values are essentially flat. So we're seeing tax-based growth, but it's also a

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shift toward residential property.

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And so, because the median value home increased by 2.9%

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last year. And the Homestead Market Value Exclusion decreased as a result. This shows how

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a 6.64% tax of the increase would translate to about a 7.75% increase for the median value home.

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And that is roughly $2.47 per week increase for a month that's $10.71 or for a year it's $128.49.

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getting

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into our budget direction. As we've talked about before, our budget mission for

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2027 and 2028 has these two guiding principles to sustain and enhance the excellent quality

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of life that makes Bloomington an adorable and remarkable community where people want to be

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and to develop a budget that is sensitive to the economic stress and shifting demographics at

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in our community and so as we developed the budget we continue to focus on these priorities

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on finishing what we've started and improving how we serve the community staying financially

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strong and being disciplined on taxes and ultimately the goals to make sure our budget decisions

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align our resources with the city's overall priorities and

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as we move forward with our budget

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direction. We also need to stay in sync with what's happening across our workforce. So,

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personal costs do make up 74% of our general fund budget. So, changes in our workforce

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do have a significant impact on the budget. We're seeing changing workforce expectations,

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Minnesota paid leave, and other state policy changes as well as continued recruitment,

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retention, and succession planning needs. And at the same time, we need to make sure our staff

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keeps pace with service needs. So while we're being thoughtful about adding new positions,

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there are areas where additional staffing is needed, especially in the fire department,

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and also in the new community health and wellness center. So it's just part of balancing the

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service needs and supporting our workforce and then also keeping the budget sustainable.

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So one of the ways we've been talking about this year to help manage the levy is through our

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capital and debt management fund. So for 2027, we're reducing the debt

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level by about 1.89 million. And we're able to do that by using

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available fund resources to reduce the property taxes that are needed for

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debt payments for paying off eligible bonds early and also using some cash

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for capital projects where it makes sense rather than issuing additional

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debt. And so that helps lower our

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me today, while it also reduces future borrowing and debt costs.

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And then in addition to the debt.

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We've identified another $910,000 in reductions in the 2027 budget. And so, as I mentioned before, this does include reductions to the Normandale Lake District Taxes of Bateman-Levy and the elimination of the ice-guard and levy, along with reductions throughout the general fund.

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So, within the general fund, departments reduced professional services, seasonal staffing, and overtime, training and travel, technologies, supplies, equipment, and other operating costs.

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And these reductions are part of our ongoing effort just to manage the tax of the while maintaining our core services.

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So just talking about investments in this budget, so the first area of investment is really about finishing what we've already started.

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And about 1.79 million of that, 2027 budget increase as it continues investments that are already underway.

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So, the largest piece is fire, so we have nine additional positions as we continue the transition to a combination full-time and part-time department.

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Along with new equipment for the new hires and a new fire cadet program.

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We're also continuing our investment in the Community Health and Wellness Center with the facility that's scheduled to open in late fall of 2027.

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And we need to begin staffing and preparing for operations so we're ready when we open the doors.

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So we're also continuing along with that investments in urban forestry, preventative park maintenance, and climate action plan initiatives.

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And another area of investment is public safety technology.

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So the goal is to increase the capacity of our existing

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a police staff by using technology to work more efficiently and effectively.

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So we've included an additional $500,000 of both,

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2027 and 2028 for tools such as AI and workflow technology,

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drone first responder program, and an integrated axon platform.

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And while the drone first responder program is primarily a police investment, drones can also be used for fire, public works, parks and other departments.

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There's also potential that there could be an additional 558,000 on top of that beginning in 2020-29 as this work continues.

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So this will allow us to make these investments now while continuing to just evaluate the longer term needs and longer term costs.

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So let's break down these numbers a little bit.

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So here we have the general fund revenues.

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And you can see the property tax levy is our largest revenue source

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and the general fund at over 69% of the total.

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And next is lodging and admission taxes.

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Local lodging and admission taxes are the next largest source.

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Followed by permits and licenses, grants, and transfers from other funds.

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So overall, the 2027 preliminary general fund budget is about $129.9 million in revenues.

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And here, this next slide is just a chart illustrating, really illustrating the impact

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of the general fund is on the property tax lobby.

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So nearly 70% almost seven out of every $10 of the general fund revenue comes from property

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taxes while all other revenue sources combined make up about 30% so it shows why changes in

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our other revenue sources can help but ultimately the property tax level has the greatest

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impact on our ability to fund our general fund services and then going to the expenditure

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side for the 2027 preliminary general fund budget it's also $1209.9 million. Public safety

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makes up nearly half of the general fund budget. So when you take police and fire together,

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that's about 48% of the expenditures and then public works, parks and recreation and the next

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largest areas followed by community development and public health. So the remaining departments

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make a bunch smaller portion of the overall budget is shown on this slide. You can see when you see it

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a pie chart gives you more of a visual sense

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of how those expenditures are distributed across the city services.

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So it looks like the titles

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and come over this moment we put this out here,

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but we'll fix that in the packet

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if it's not like that in the engine of materials.

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But so you can see though, what is showing

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is that police fire public works of parks and recreation

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are making up a large portion of that chart there

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and what's not showing the next kind of pink magenta slice there that's community development and then the lighter green one next to that is public health and then the next three smaller slices of that chart are finance and legal administrative city council and communication so you can see it's a much smaller portion of our overall general fund expenditures.

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And so, in the last time we were here and showing some preliminary preliminary budget information,

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there was some requests to show this tax-loving broken out in different ways.

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So these next few slides are going to do that.

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So this one is a breakdown by department.

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So this shows the 6.64% loving increase by department.

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So public safety you can see is the largest driver of the increase with fire and police together.

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county for 4.23%, and then after that, Parks and Recreation and Public Works are each around

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0.85% of that increase, and then the smaller increases are in the other areas.

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And you can see, looking at the change between 26 and 27, that for finance legal administration

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communications is actually a very slight decrease.

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Another way to break out that 6.64% tax

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the increase is to look at it by category. So you can see salaries and benefits are low-largest

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driver. So it's almost 7% of the levy. And then material supplies and services are about 1.64%

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just a little bit of an impact from capital outlay. And but those increases then are offset by that

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1.9 million reduction in debt payments. So that's another way to look at the 6.64%

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than I have one more.

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And so this is looking at by kind of budget drivers.

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So when we talk about what increases necessary

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for maintaining our current services,

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that accounts for 6.22 percentage points,

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we talked about the finishing investments

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that are already underway.

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That's another 1.9 point nine points.

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And then the new public safety technology

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that we're talking about adding is about half of a percentage point. And then again, showing

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how the reduction for the debt level.

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That we are using from capital and that management fund, how that affects that.

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And then just here's a graphic, just to kind of help put all of that together more visually.

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And a kind of a vertical chart there. So you can see that cost of maintaining services is really the primary driver of the increase.

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And then the investments are continuing to make in the new public safety technology add to that and then that

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that love you reduction provides a bit of an offset.

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And then, talk about some highlights here.

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So, for community engagement, we've had a lot of community engagement throughout the budget process.

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We've provided a variety of ways for residents to participate, both in person and virtually.

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So that includes let's talk Bloomington online.

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We've been at community events such as the farmers market.

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There's been there was a questionnaire and the briefing that people mailed in.

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Really the goal has been just going to meet people where they are and provide multiple opportunities for residents to learn about the budget,

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ask questions to share their priorities with us.

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And here's the map that we had in the in-person events that I have shown in the past,

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which is to show it again that we talked with people at community events and shows where they live throughout the community.

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We had a different color for each event, but you can see that we did hear from residents that were spread out across Bloomington.

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And then when we summarized the feedback across all that engagement, we've heard some consistent themes.

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residents value Bloomington, they're proud to live here in the services that the city provides,

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but definitely affordability and rising property taxes are a real concern.

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They want us to demonstrate as a city the value for their tax dollars, they want us to prioritize

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investments carefully and, you know, reassess when circumstances change and continue thinking about

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the city's long-term financial sustainability.

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And then here is the calendar that we've been working

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through for the 27 28 budget process and many of the opportunities in dates have passed, we've

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got the yellow highlight around September 14th tonight. It's color coded, I'll just say again,

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the dark blue boxes were things that city staff did. The light blue were our community budget

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information tables. The orange represents public common opportunities late tonight. It's also part

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screen because we have a representation for Council.

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And then right now, as I said, we're at the Preliminary

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Loving and Budget Stage, but there still are several

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opportunities for Council discussion and public input

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before this budget is finalized in December.

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And before I end, I also want to make sure

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residents are aware of Minnesota's property tax

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refund program, both homeowners and renters may qualify

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for a refund based on their individual circumstances. This is a state program and the department

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of revenue website, the phone numbers and a QR code are included here for anyone who would

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like more information or wants to see if they qualify. And then also I want to highlight

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there's another option specifically for seniors and the states property tax deferral program.

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So for eligible homeowners, age 65 and older, property taxes are limited based on household income with the remaining amount deferred by the state.

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And so there are additional eligible eligibility requirements, but you can ask our city assessors office.

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They are happy to help residents understand the program and whether it be maybe an option for them.

676
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:36,440
And with that, that concludes my presentation.

677
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,040
So at this point, I will turn it over to the leader.

678
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:40,300
Thank you, Ms. Carlson.

679
00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:43,100
Once again, very informative and we'll put together

680
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:45,460
and I appreciate the different breakdowns of the increase

681
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:47,180
and where it comes and where it falls in.

682
00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:49,440
And I think it responds to what the council was asking for.

683
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:50,840
So thank you for doing that.

684
00:56:50,860 --> 00:56:51,280
That's helpful.

685
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,680
Council, any questions of Ms. Carlson?

686
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:55,240
Before we get to the public comment?

687
00:56:59,120 --> 00:56:59,480
All right.

688
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:03,100
Let us dive into our public comment opportunity here.

689
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:17,160
First of all, just kind of, the ground rules here, anybody is able to speak, come on up and you just introduce yourself, make sure you tell us who you are, and then you can sign in, we have a clipboard here, you can sign in after you're done.

690
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:21,680
You can have to take the clipboard and step to the side and then we'll get the next person up and speaking also.

691
00:57:22,340 --> 00:57:30,820
We have two minutes per speaker and our handy little clock on the wall will let you know when the two minutes are up and when the two minutes are up, I will stop you.

692
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:37,140
Not because I'm a mean guy, just because I want to make sure that everybody has the same amount of time to speak and we all have a fair shot at this.

693
00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:43,200
So, and we will hold if you have specific, if you have comments, we certainly want to hear the comments if you have specific questions.

694
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:49,900
What will do will collect all the questions and answer those questions or do our best answer those questions at the end of the public comment.

695
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,660
We'll collect them all and when everybody's done then we'll try and answer those questions.

696
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:03,820
So with that said, I will open our public comment period tonight. Is there anybody in the chambers who wishes to speak regarding the proposed

697
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:05,560
2027

698
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,480
General fund budget or the proposed levy for next year.

699
00:58:18,460 --> 00:58:21,020
Mr. Hall, I saw you back there would have been disappointed if you didn't come back.

700
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,640
You know it.

701
00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:27,680
I know for a fact, I do not have enough time to read this entire thing.

702
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,720
and I, because of the great presentation that was presented, I learned some things, I do have to

703
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:40,380
make some edits. But I came here mostly two, well, three reasons, sorry, three reasons. One,

704
00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:45,060
I actually think the love of you isn't high enough, but I think that there could be like

705
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:50,340
exceptions and ways to move stuff around, and as you were saying with the home her, as was

706
00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:55,720
presented with the homestead, exception, clearly there's ways to make this more equitable than

707
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:03,100
either a regressive policy or a blanket policy, but I don't believe from what's coming in

708
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:14,520
our future in terms of Trump's policies about energy, foreign policy, the bond market, the economy

709
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:19,760
in general, and all the other federal services that have been caught in the past few years, and

710
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:28,720
on top of it, El Nino, which is going to change climate into the real emergency that we are

711
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:35,880
not prepared at all to face right now. So that's that's point number one. Point number two is

712
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:45,400
that axon is essentially the sister or the competitor to flock. And I remember last November,

713
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,660
a resident spoke about the many warnings against these kinds of cameras and I distinctly

714
00:59:50,660 --> 00:59:54,240
remember the council saying that there was no budget for them and not to worry about

715
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:54,400
it.

716
00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:55,580
That was obviously last year.

717
00:59:55,860 --> 00:59:56,580
This is this year.

718
00:59:56,860 --> 00:59:59,980
I don't know who proposed that, but if it came from BP.

719
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,580
Indeed, who has stated publicly that they are not working with ICE, axon is a direct connection to ICE. Axon shares data with ICE.

720
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:23,160
It is the same technologies as flock. It is just as corrupt towards ICE and Trump. Both of them are personally benefiting of these these funds.

721
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:29,540
So that would mean that the city of Bloomingtown, Maryland, I'm afraid your time is up directly paying.

722
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:31,160
Thank you.

723
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:34,260
Thank you for your comments.

724
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:36,600
Others wishing to speak?

725
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:44,480
Greetings.

726
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:45,560
Good evening.

727
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:45,720
Good evening.

728
01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:49,020
My name is Dan Bell, Longtime resident of Bloomingtown.

729
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,260
And I have a slightly differing view on budgets and spending.

730
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:57,860
It seems like it's a pretty miniscule amount.

731
01:00:57,860 --> 01:01:04,040
And the budget was put together very well by Miss Carlson, in terms of understanding where

732
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:10,100
it's spent and how it spent, but each one of these little pieces that affect the older

733
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:19,020
folks, making under $100,000, that's a pretty tough barrier to even finance a horse and

734
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:20,720
live in a house with that kind of income.

735
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:26,860
And so when it's booming, 10 that raises its greater, greater than the rate of inflation,

736
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,760
Not maybe in recent years, but what's being proposed is slightly ahead of where the budgets have been.

737
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,640
I just think that you have to think about how that money spent, how we can do it more efficiently.

738
01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:41,860
And it just keeps adding up.

739
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,640
It's a little piece from booming terrain.

740
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,520
It's a bigger piece from head up in county.

741
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:47,980
It's a bigger piece.

742
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:49,480
Everything time is spent at all.

743
01:01:49,620 --> 01:01:50,860
It's 10%.

744
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:52,880
And so it really hurts.

745
01:01:52,880 --> 01:02:04,660
Every time you see spending go up, I'm very happy with at least the thought process that's used in terms of how

746
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:11,440
our money is spent. But I look around the city and I go, wow, some of this stuff is pretty done pretty

747
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:18,280
inefficiently. So I think there are some opportunities to do better. So that's all I really have to say.

748
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,800
I appreciate your comments. Thank you.

749
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:25,760
Others?

750
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,260
Is right? Do we have anyone on the phone machine

751
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:32,040
to speak?

752
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,660
They would do not have anyone online.

753
01:02:37,890 --> 01:02:39,070
Last call. Anyone in the chambers?

754
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:43,310
All right.

755
01:02:43,890 --> 01:02:47,410
With the council, I will close our public comment opportunity on item 4.1.

756
01:02:48,750 --> 01:02:50,870
And I appreciate the comments made by folks.

757
01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:55,630
And I heard comments that didn't hear any specific questions.

758
01:02:55,630 --> 01:02:56,690
And I do appreciate that.

759
01:02:56,850 --> 01:03:01,110
And Mr. Belly, I appreciate the, it all adds up context is absolutely right.

760
01:03:01,450 --> 01:03:03,270
And I will not deny that.

761
01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:10,070
And Mr. Halit, the work, yes, the work that we're trying to make it more equitable, I think we need to,

762
01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:15,730
we need, as a community, but we also need, on a broader scale, a larger look at things.

763
01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:19,850
We need to look at how we pay for things in a more equitable fashion, especially public

764
01:03:19,850 --> 01:03:20,350
services.

765
01:03:21,110 --> 01:03:23,390
And don't disagree about the climate emergency discussion.

766
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:30,790
And regarding axon and flock, I don't know that they're direct, you know, they're exact

767
01:03:30,790 --> 01:03:31,490
cousin to brothers.

768
01:03:32,110 --> 01:03:34,890
I would have to get back to you on that because I'm not sure exactly.

769
01:03:35,470 --> 01:03:43,350
I do know that BPDs specifically would not work toward flock, didn't want flock for the

770
01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:44,090
variety of reasons.

771
01:03:44,310 --> 01:03:48,730
I don't know that whether axon is an equivalent to it, I just don't know off the top

772
01:03:48,730 --> 01:03:49,090
of my head.

773
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:50,650
Thank you.

774
01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:57,730
Council, with that information to us, it's up to us now, we've had a number of different

775
01:03:57,730 --> 01:04:01,530
meetings on this. We've been talking about this for a couple of months now. We're looking

776
01:04:01,530 --> 01:04:08,430
at a resolution establishing our preliminary tax levy for the year of 2027. With the

777
01:04:08,430 --> 01:04:12,570
understanding, as I think we all know and as bears repeating every time, that whatever

778
01:04:12,570 --> 01:04:19,470
levy we set as a preliminary levy, it cannot go up, it can come down as we move forward

779
01:04:19,470 --> 01:04:21,610
into our budget process here.

780
01:04:22,350 --> 01:04:27,870
So based on what we've heard, based on what we understand where we're sitting right now at

781
01:04:27,870 --> 01:04:31,510
this level, appreciate your comments, Council, and see where we go.

782
01:04:31,890 --> 01:04:32,330
Council member Loman.

783
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:38,670
Mayor and Manager, I had just a few questions I wanted to just be sure I was clear about

784
01:04:38,670 --> 01:04:44,050
just to kind of make sure I'm framing and understanding this correctly, in terms of the CPI,

785
01:04:44,050 --> 01:04:49,050
The 12 month CPIU through August is about 3.4 percent.

786
01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:52,170
Our proposed level is 6.64 percent.

787
01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:53,250
Roughly twice that.

788
01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:56,410
I wanted to clear our explanation so that residents could follow

789
01:04:56,410 --> 01:04:58,610
and understand the municipal cost drivers

790
01:04:59,590 --> 01:05:01,390
out based standard inflation.

791
01:05:01,910 --> 01:05:03,470
We kind of talked about a little bit that in there,

792
01:05:03,550 --> 01:05:07,050
but just so that folks could understand that.

793
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:08,230
Mr. Walker?

794
01:05:08,990 --> 01:05:09,930
Yes. Thank you, Mayor.

795
01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:17,030
It's a fair question, but I would say it's probably not the best measure.

796
01:05:18,990 --> 01:05:25,050
CPI is really a measure of, as defined by the Department of Labor, a market basket of goods

797
01:05:25,050 --> 01:05:29,410
across a wire array of consumer items.

798
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:33,510
At the city, we're not buying things like beef and milk and eggs.

799
01:05:33,570 --> 01:05:35,650
I mean, the fire department might be, but the rest of us.

800
01:05:38,190 --> 01:05:40,090
That was a joke.

801
01:05:44,330 --> 01:05:46,290
Instead, we're in the people business.

802
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:49,130
You saw that 74% of our costs are in person now.

803
01:05:49,850 --> 01:05:57,770
So we are largely tied in our budget to things like cost of hiring and compensating

804
01:05:57,770 --> 01:06:02,550
our employees, health insurance, our property and liability insurance for the services

805
01:06:02,550 --> 01:06:03,450
that we provide.

806
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:10,530
Commodities and goods for the infrastructure that we maintain or add into the city, so

807
01:06:10,530 --> 01:06:16,570
It's important to continue to monitor our spending the line is well taken that it all adds up

808
01:06:16,570 --> 01:06:21,550
But I just that's really not the best apples to apples comparison when you're looking at

809
01:06:22,730 --> 01:06:26,250
City spending and the cost increases behind it

810
01:06:26,530 --> 01:06:29,730
Appreciate that and with that being said then the service and the quality

811
01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:32,970
baseline as we reduce the spending to manage the

812
01:06:32,970 --> 01:06:36,170
levee. I wanted to confirm that we're not compromising the

813
01:06:36,170 --> 01:06:39,790
the service delivery and that we are holding the line and

814
01:06:39,790 --> 01:06:43,490
that residents satisfaction stays insulated.

815
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:48,170
Yeah, I would say that as our budget core team has

816
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:52,050
deliberated and we've worked with our staff across the city and

817
01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:54,670
getting to this point in the process and again this is not

818
01:06:54,670 --> 01:06:58,610
the end of the process. One of the key

819
01:06:58,610 --> 01:07:02,110
tenants for us has been.

820
01:07:02,530 --> 01:07:07,450
Let's not compromise a really good thing and in Bloomington we have really high levels of

821
01:07:07,450 --> 01:07:14,230
citizen satisfaction with our services, with the perception of the value that a resident

822
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:19,810
gets relative to the taxes that they pay and we want to make sure that while we are continuing

823
01:07:19,810 --> 01:07:25,330
to look at ways to contain spending increases, it's happening in such a way that residents

824
01:07:25,330 --> 01:07:27,770
start noticing a decrease in the number of

825
01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:29,510
equality of services that they're receiving.

826
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:29,970
And I think...

827
01:07:30,110 --> 01:07:33,270
To this point in the conversation, we've met that objective.

828
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:38,870
Just a couple more here. The thing I'm most concerned about is unforeseen economic pressures.

829
01:07:39,030 --> 01:07:46,250
August alone, we saw gasoline prices up 3.9%. We run a plow fleet service and construction programs with different

830
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:49,330
things we're building. What are our reserve conclusions and

831
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:53,430
componenty costs if they spike mid-year or next year?

832
01:07:54,590 --> 01:08:00,830
In our budget deliberations, when we've been meeting with staff and department leadership,

833
01:08:01,630 --> 01:08:07,030
one of the things I think we have done a good job of is to the degree possible forecasting.

834
01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:12,390
Those known increases that are there and where those trends could go.

835
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:18,070
So I think we struck a good balance of trying to tie our spending to some of those historical

836
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:22,450
averages, but also then understanding where some of those vulnerabilities and pressures

837
01:08:22,450 --> 01:08:28,170
could be, and I would say, as you dig into the granular detail of the budget, areas like that

838
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:33,650
that you're referencing do have some forecasted increases built into those. Of course, things

839
01:08:33,650 --> 01:08:39,070
are as was referenced by one of the speakers very vulnerable and unpredictable at best right

840
01:08:39,070 --> 01:08:45,050
now. But with the information that we have available, I think our staff have done a good job

841
01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:48,530
of trying to forecast and budget in a responsible way for that.

842
01:08:48,530 --> 01:09:13,170
Then I think finally here I'll just tie these last things together here, you know, the staff training and retention and wanted to just make sure that as we look to make these reductions that we're not cutting the pipeline development to save short term dollars in a way so that we later on have to pay higher wages later on just wanted to make sure really that we're our long term fiscal sustainability.

843
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:22,550
our resources, we're not just making these short time cuts here in order to make sure that we can still sustain this type of level as we get in through the end of the decade.

844
01:09:23,270 --> 01:09:38,730
Good question. One of the things also that I think our staff have done a good job to this point in the development process has been to look at historical averages in our spending and find the places where maybe our budget has been higher than actual spending.

845
01:09:38,730 --> 01:09:46,130
and then try to true up our proposed budget this year closer to what those historical averages have been.

846
01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:51,130
Thank you, Manager and Marin, based on that, I think I can support this.

847
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:52,030
Council Member Carter.

848
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:55,210
Thank you, Mayor.

849
01:09:56,310 --> 01:10:00,770
I just want to thank the staff for all of their really hard work on this.

850
01:10:02,350 --> 01:10:09,230
I think I guess I'll just say personally, I'm kind of pleasantly surprised at where we're at for our preliminary tax levy.

851
01:10:09,870 --> 01:10:24,010
And I know a lot of really hard diligent work has gone into getting to this number, and I know that you're going to continue to look for those areas that we can improve efficiencies and reduce costs without compromising our service.

852
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:31,630
And so really thank you so much. Oh, I also want to thank you because I'm thinking about all the feedback that we provided at the last conversation.

853
01:10:31,630 --> 01:10:37,490
and I think all of it is represented in this presentation tonight, so thank you for incorporating

854
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:42,930
all of our desires and what we wanted to see in this discussion. I think you did a really

855
01:10:42,930 --> 01:10:47,230
really good job. I also want to thank the residents who showed up against tonight's testifying

856
01:10:47,230 --> 01:10:53,970
all the residents who engaged throughout the process. I do have a question based on the comments tonight

857
01:10:53,970 --> 01:10:59,630
and I was wondering it myself because of everything going on at the federal level and some of the

858
01:10:59,630 --> 01:11:06,450
changes that might be happening. What what would we do in an emergency situation should we need?

859
01:11:07,890 --> 01:11:12,890
And like we need we just need to find some additional funding to adjust XYZ, whatever it might be.

860
01:11:13,870 --> 01:11:17,310
Or maybe we lose a ton of federal funding because of some of the changes that might be need.

861
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:24,830
Like what is that kind of emergency valve that we could pull if something did happen and we need

862
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:26,810
some additional funds.

863
01:11:27,550 --> 01:11:28,050
Mr. Walker.

864
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:29,470
Thank you Mayor.

865
01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:30,710
Thank you councilmember Carter.

866
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:35,610
In those situations, I would say the city would be faced with really two choices.

867
01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:43,810
One would be more drastic, which should be, are we desiring to continue on the budget

868
01:11:43,810 --> 01:11:44,710
that we have adopted?

869
01:11:45,790 --> 01:11:50,250
And if so, then we would need to tap into the city's reserves.

870
01:11:52,210 --> 01:11:58,450
Consistent, of course, with our financial policies and recognizing that we need to keep minimum reserve levels.

871
01:11:58,830 --> 01:12:04,250
The other option would simply be immediate reduction of spending, whether that is

872
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:11,190
Seizing services or hiring freezes or other things like that that would provide.

873
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:22,230
Some one time relief while we got to our next fiscal cycle and then made decisions about what we wanted the city's operating budget to look like in light of those drastic changes.

874
01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:33,770
All right, thank you. I do also just kind of want to point out that we have had a situation like this like when the pandemic hit and we all of a sudden lost a ton of revenue that we were expecting.

875
01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:41,630
And that's when we had the citizen advisory board and paid lots of hard decisions and kind of did go through a process.

876
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:47,990
And so we do have experience in that kind of situation. Obviously not a situation any of us want to be in again.

877
01:12:48,850 --> 01:12:59,130
But thank you for that explanation and kind of the reminder that we do have reserves and we do have the ability to modify our budget and our spending should something happen.

878
01:12:59,130 --> 01:13:01,950
So, so thank you for that.

879
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:04,110
I do have a couple other questions,

880
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:07,750
but the answers are not going to impact how I vote tonight.

881
01:13:07,950 --> 01:13:10,550
And so, I will be voting in support

882
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:12,770
of this preliminary tax levy.

883
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:15,130
You know, I think we're in a good spot

884
01:13:15,130 --> 01:13:17,950
and given everything going on in the country right now,

885
01:13:18,510 --> 01:13:21,250
I actually don't know if I'd want to go much lower at this point.

886
01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:24,630
So, so I will be supporting tonight.

887
01:13:24,830 --> 01:13:25,330
Thank you.

888
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:26,950
Thank you, John's member.

889
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:31,380
Thanks, Mr. Mayor.

890
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:36,240
I want to echo the appreciation I have for the staff work on pulling this together.

891
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:41,260
I think I've been an advocate for trying to make sure that people can walk out of

892
01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:45,740
these conversations with a clear understanding of what it costs to do what we do today,

893
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,580
what it costs for us to make the investments we've been telling people about for a while,

894
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,420
and then what is it on top of that that we need to consider?

895
01:13:53,020 --> 01:13:54,000
And what does that do to our level?

896
01:13:54,000 --> 01:14:03,540
So, you know, the fact that we, hopefully everybody who is here tonight listening to us can walk away answering that question in a very easy way is really important.

897
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:08,900
That's the way I think about things too, right? So, so I appreciate it very much.

898
01:14:09,340 --> 01:14:17,760
And I know this isn't the end of the line for us. I know that you'll keep working on the pencils with the pencils and everything, so very much appreciate that.

899
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:41,080
There's one question on the strategic side around our fire department work that I wanted to throw out there is something that maybe we can bring into the context of that as we continue to work on refining that investment, and that is just simply that I think we've talked a little bit about the fact that the, you know, it does cost us something to not have the full time fire department that we have.

900
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:51,680
It may cost us in our insurance calls, it costs us in the potential for economic distress associated with not meeting our obligations from SLA perspective and all that kind of stuff.

901
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:59,980
And so I'm wondering if there's a chance for us to look at those in comparison to say that this investment is also going to offset operationally long.

902
01:15:02,140 --> 01:15:12,340
So I just haven't asked that question before and it feels like something that when we think about these strategic projects, we might want to think about how why we've chosen to make the investments.

903
01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:20,940
I think the threat has been lost a little bit because we started the conversation on the fire department way back in 2022 or whatever about why we decided to do this.

904
01:15:20,940 --> 01:15:26,780
And it came down to the fact that we couldn't run a truck, meaningfully, with enough staff

905
01:15:26,780 --> 01:15:33,540
to meet our obligations, not just from a legal perspective or an insurance-oriented perspective,

906
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:40,980
but a moral one, frankly, like an ethical one, and so how do we continue to make sure folks

907
01:15:40,980 --> 01:15:45,560
understand that each of these investments that we're making with their capital or operational

908
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:52,180
are against that thing, right, no different really than the climate conversation or the federal

909
01:15:52,180 --> 01:15:56,240
conversation should we have to come back and say, here's what happened to the money that

910
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:01,160
we thought we would have. It went away because of XYZ policy. Now we have to do something

911
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:06,580
differently, and if we can continue to make sure that those threads are clear, you know, it's

912
01:16:06,580 --> 01:16:10,500
it's a, you have to agree with it, but at least you can explain it. And I think that that's

913
01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:15,360
an really important thing. I like to be able to walk out of here being able to say, this is why

914
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,040
what we're doing. So happy to support this today knowing that it is not the end of the conversation,

915
01:16:20,740 --> 01:16:25,580
but a really well done thoughtful perspective. I'm hoping this implies that priority-based

916
01:16:25,580 --> 01:16:29,200
budgeting is actually working right now. So I'd love to hear more about that at some point too.

917
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:31,780
Thanks. Thank you, council member.

918
01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:34,370
Others?

919
01:16:35,770 --> 01:16:41,010
That's member Robinson. Thank you, Mayor. I'll do my best to keep it brief. To echo what my colleagues

920
01:16:41,010 --> 01:16:47,290
are saying. I think I'm pleasantly surprised to use council member Carter's phrase.

921
01:16:47,970 --> 01:16:52,130
at where the number is. I'm happy to support this today, certainly saying the same as

922
01:16:52,130 --> 01:16:56,210
Council member Delicendro. This isn't the end of the conversation. I'm really, really,

923
01:16:56,250 --> 01:17:02,130
I have to say very impressed by all the work that's gone into this and this, I just have to note,

924
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:08,330
on page 22 of the PECC Council packet, that beautiful graphic that I know Council member Delicendro is a

925
01:17:08,330 --> 01:17:14,290
huge fan of as well. For me, at least, that was a great visual to help understand where all the

926
01:17:14,290 --> 01:17:18,090
is going, why it has to increase it all, and I just thought that was really great.

927
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:24,710
So, certainly, again, this isn't the end of the conversation, and I think bringing up the

928
01:17:24,710 --> 01:17:28,930
concerns about potential change in energy costs is huge and something we really need to be

929
01:17:28,930 --> 01:17:32,750
talking about all the time, especially with the news over just the past few days.

930
01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:36,870
And so, again, I think this is a good jumping off point.

931
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:37,930
It's not the end of things.

932
01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:41,570
I think this is really, really helpful information, and I certainly appreciate the folks who

933
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:43,630
came out to speak to us tonight.

934
01:17:44,210 --> 01:17:47,270
We appreciate your time, and so yeah, I'm happy to support this as it is.

935
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:50,630
And I'm also excited to see where the conversation goes.

936
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:51,430
So.

937
01:17:51,650 --> 01:17:52,110
Thanks, Council Member.

938
01:17:57,580 --> 01:18:01,060
Well, my two cents council, it boils down to actually a couple of numbers

939
01:18:01,060 --> 01:18:07,880
and you've heard of me say them before that 81% of our budget goes to police, fire, public

940
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,820
works, community development, parking recreation.

941
01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:14,820
Those are the five absolute cornerstone building blocks of what city government should do.

942
01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:17,200
and 81% of our budget goes to that.

943
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,540
And of that total budget, more than 70% goes to people.

944
01:18:22,420 --> 01:18:23,340
We don't make widgets.

945
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:25,800
We provide services as a city.

946
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:29,860
And those services are provided by our city employees and by our people.

947
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,620
And that's where those costs come from.

948
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:36,820
And that's if we expect that type of service delivery that we have come to expect.

949
01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:38,320
As residents, we're all residents.

950
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:42,000
We've come to expect that service delivery within our city.

951
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,480
That's what the cost of doing it is.

952
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:54,240
The one comment that I would make, I'm still, to see our debt load continue to increase,

953
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,460
but now taking the steps to reduce that debt load.

954
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:03,580
I appreciate that with our new fund, and I forgot in what we renamed it, the debt reduction fund,

955
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:04,920
or however we named it.

956
01:19:05,180 --> 01:19:08,080
I think that's a positive step forward.

957
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:13,340
And I think it's a better use of that fund rather than to use it as a strategic priorities fund.

958
01:19:13,340 --> 01:19:15,200
I'd like that as a use of it.

959
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,360
And frankly, I wonder if we had used it in that way

960
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,720
over the past 10 years, what would you be looking at right now

961
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:20,840
in terms of our overall debt?

962
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:21,900
And it might be a little different.

963
01:19:22,860 --> 01:19:24,860
So I think there's work to be done on that.

964
01:19:25,540 --> 01:19:29,260
But overall, I think this is a good starting point

965
01:19:29,260 --> 01:19:31,320
as we continue this conversation and a good place

966
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,740
for us to jump off on with an official stamp

967
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,920
and move forward with all of this.

968
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:43,110
And Council, if there's no more comments on this,

969
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:44,390
Councilmember Lomit.

970
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:54,250
Mayor, I'll move to adopt a resolution of a pulmonary, a levy

971
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:58,490
establishment at a tax levy for the city of Blomiton for the year

972
01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:59,150
2022.

973
01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:02,890
Motion by Councilmember Lomiton, second by Councilmember

974
01:20:02,890 --> 01:20:14,560
Robertson, to adopt a resolution establishing tax levy for the city of Blomiton for the year of

975
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:23,620
Carter, I, Dalsandrol, I, Rivas, I, Nelson, I,

976
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,960
Loman, Robertton, I, Merbusy, I, motion carries seven zero.

977
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,860
With item 4.1, comes item 4.2, Council Member Loman.

978
01:20:34,820 --> 01:20:39,340
Merile move, resolution adopting a preliminary 27 general fund budget.

979
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,940
Second, motion by Council Member Loman, second by Council Member Robertson,

980
01:20:42,940 --> 01:20:48,220
would adopt a preliminary 2027 general fund budget. No further counts of discussion on this?

981
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:53,400
Ms. Wright. Carter. Aye. Thomas Hondrow.

982
01:20:54,180 --> 01:20:58,960
Rebus? Aye. Nelson? Aye. Loman? Aye. Robertson? Aye. Airbusy?

983
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:03,060
Aye. Motion carries 7-0. And one more, council member, uh, council member,

984
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,620
Dallas Hondrow. Mr. Mayor, apologize. I just wanted to make sure because

985
01:21:06,620 --> 01:21:11,300
because of the way that it was presented, we had 6.64 percent was the number, but that was 6.24

986
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:17,760
plus than the HRA and port authority levies, so so if I can just get a clarification on what

987
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:24,060
exactly we're passing for the city of Bloomington versus that I know that some stuff was in our

988
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:27,380
consent agenda as well. So I just wanted to lay it out if that's okay.

989
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:27,880
Absolutely.

990
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,040
I can answer that question. Mayor council members, council members,

991
01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:35,680
they actually have to be the exact same percentage. When you do the combined and the city

992
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:40,880
by itself, just how the math works out, thank you. Appreciate it. So clarification for that then

993
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:49,220
six point six four as the preliminary. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Very good. We have a second half of item four point two, where we need a

994
01:21:49,220 --> 01:21:50,880
A motion for the

995
01:21:51,460 --> 01:21:57,460
Conceptual preliminary 2028 General Fund budget. Thanks. Remember moment. Thank you for clarifying that from the head and see that.

996
01:21:57,500 --> 01:22:03,320
Mayor, I'll move to Dr. Resolution approving a conceptual preliminary 2028 General Fund budget.

997
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,440
Second. Motion by Council Member Loam and Second by Council Member Robertson to accept the resolution approving a

998
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:13,620
conceptual preliminary 2028 general fund budget. No further counts of discussion on this?

999
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,820
I'll just remember moment. Just so we're clear, I know I heard it during the presentation

1000
01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:25,400
about the 2028 general fund conceptual budget that that is in itself just conceptual. It's not binding.

1001
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,780
I think that's that's what conceptual means yes.

1002
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,900
This is not a clear right. Just want to call that for the right. If we could put another wiggle word in there we would have.

1003
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:42,560
All right. Any further counsel discussion on this? If not, Ms. Wright.

1004
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:48,680
Carter? Aye. Donald Sandra? Aye. Rebus? Nelson? Aye.

1005
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:55,700
Lowellman? Robert's in? Aye. Mayor Bessie? Aye. Motion carries, seven zero. Thank you to our budget staff for the work on this.

1006
01:22:55,700 --> 01:23:24,420
And as I think we have been set a couple of times, thanks for your response to the council request for different presentation different looks of things way it looks I think it's you met the council's needs and a lot of things and I appreciate that thank you to our folks who spoke this evening and looking forward to continue this discussion we'll have additional opportunities for public comment and public hearings as we move through all of this and I appreciate that we're I think had an a pretty good direction here and with more work to do certainly with more work to do thank you miss Carlson.

1007
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:25,420
Thank you.

1008
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:34,980
Council, next on our agenda, our series of public hearings regarding assessments, and we do

1009
01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:35,980
this on an annual basis.

1010
01:23:36,220 --> 01:23:43,980
It's an opportunity for the city to move and act on delinquent assessments or tree removal

1011
01:23:43,980 --> 01:23:45,240
assessments and so on.

1012
01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:50,740
So what we'll do is typically, we'll have a presentation on this, and I believe all the

1013
01:23:50,740 --> 01:23:56,140
presentations will come as one, and yes, and we will all come as one, and then we will

1014
01:23:56,140 --> 01:24:03,060
public hearings on all of all of the different ones. So item 4.3 through item 4.7 will break those

1015
01:24:03,060 --> 01:24:08,200
out and have specific public hearings on that. But the presentation will be all rolled into one

1016
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,320
of the Miss Academy Scholar who has done this many times and knows how to lead us through this very

1017
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:16,940
well. I will be doing just that. So good evening and welcome. Good evening, Mayor and Council.

1018
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:23,640
With the items that you have before you, the five of them are agenda to the evening is just a

1019
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:29,540
quickly going through the different definitions of what the assessment types are, the timelines

1020
01:24:29,540 --> 01:24:35,700
that we used in 2026, and then we'll go through the public hearings and as May have mentioned

1021
01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:37,060
each of these separate hearings.

1022
01:24:40,780 --> 01:24:43,600
So in the definitions, the delinquent utilities cover

1023
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:50,160
waters, sewers, storm drain, garbage, recycling, and organics. In the tree removal, and it's

1024
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:55,320
removal of dead or disease trees for the weeds in brush removal, it's

1025
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:59,640
mowing weeds in brush removal, public nuisance and abatement, property

1026
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:04,620
conditions to clear to be nuisance, affecting public's peace, welfare, and

1027
01:25:04,620 --> 01:25:09,300
safety, and then civil fines, nuisance, surface calls, and the

1028
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:10,980
administration penalties and orders.

1029
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:16,700
And then the type of move, way, way,

1030
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:17,580
one, two, best.

1031
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:21,020
On the timeline,

1032
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,600
all of the assessments were mailed and sent

1033
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,460
out on July 1st, which is the State statute date right for us.

1034
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:35,720
On August 13th, we published in the Sun Current at the notice of all the legal advertisements.

1035
01:25:36,860 --> 01:25:42,260
On August 26th, there was a administrative hearing held hearing at the city, and there was

1036
01:25:42,260 --> 01:25:46,300
a neutral third party administrative judge taking care of that.

1037
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,960
And then this evening we have the Council assessment hearings, and then November 24th, we'd

1038
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,580
be the last day to make the payments on those before they get certified onto the property

1039
01:25:55,580 --> 01:25:57,440
tax is for next year.

1040
01:26:02,610 --> 01:26:05,050
And so we'll start with a public hearing first for

1041
01:26:05,050 --> 01:26:06,910
selling what utilities and

1042
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:13,270
that would be the motion, but I'll go back one

1043
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:15,930
for the public hearing piece on that.

1044
01:26:18,650 --> 01:26:19,370
Thank you, Ms.

1045
01:26:20,170 --> 01:26:25,330
Academy Scholar. Council, any questions or comments regarding what we just

1046
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:30,270
heard? As I said, a pretty straightforward kind of thing. We've done this

1047
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:34,810
in the past. So what we will do then is go through each of the different public

1048
01:26:35,250 --> 01:26:40,530
And everybody will have the opportunity to come up to speak if you have something in specific that you want to talk about.

1049
01:26:41,230 --> 01:26:43,050
And we will just work our way through all of this.

1050
01:26:43,310 --> 01:26:45,610
So when you start with item 4.3 is our public hearing.

1051
01:26:46,130 --> 01:26:52,070
For a delinquent water, sewer, stormwater, drainage, garbage, recycling, and organics assessments.

1052
01:26:52,570 --> 01:26:53,810
I will open that public hearing now.

1053
01:26:54,710 --> 01:26:58,330
Is there anyone in the council chambers who wishes to speak to item 4.3 this evening?

1054
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:05,170
Ms. Ride, do we have anyone on the phone?

1055
01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:07,690
May we do have someone online.

1056
01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:18,230
caller with phone number 507. Do you wish to speak on public hearing for 0.3?

1057
01:27:20,490 --> 01:27:31,050
I have a general comment, I'm not sure which one it is. It's regarding exhibit B on page 254

1058
01:27:32,430 --> 01:27:42,950
and the dismissal of debt. I'm wondering why the city isn't somehow recording that

1059
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:49,130
to ensure that when a property is sold, that the title company or the closing company

1060
01:27:50,590 --> 01:27:59,050
uncovers it, and should the city be doing something differently to ensure those signs are no

1061
01:27:59,050 --> 01:28:06,970
one when a property sells, and one thing I thought of is if I assume they would find water trash

1062
01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:16,690
We were that when they do their title search, and if that's the case, could any sort of

1063
01:28:16,690 --> 01:28:23,070
fine somehow be added to the utility, so some to ensure any other kinds of debts show up.

1064
01:28:23,570 --> 01:28:30,750
It just seems ridiculous to be letting someone sell a property without paying those fines

1065
01:28:30,750 --> 01:28:32,490
or resolving them some way.

1066
01:28:32,770 --> 01:28:33,590
That's all I have to say.

1067
01:28:34,110 --> 01:28:37,850
Thank you. Could you identify yourself so we have it for the record, please?

1068
01:28:38,110 --> 01:28:38,450
Marlison.

1069
01:28:39,550 --> 01:28:41,710
Marlison, thank you very much for your comments.

1070
01:28:42,490 --> 01:28:48,670
Officially, this is part of item 4.7, so I appreciate that you were on 4.3,

1071
01:28:48,710 --> 01:28:52,510
and this is part of item 4.7, and I appreciate you bringing us forward.

1072
01:28:53,170 --> 01:28:57,090
What I'm going to do, you asked a good question there, and what I'm going to do is look down the table here

1073
01:28:57,610 --> 01:29:02,630
to our city attorneys and see if they can work on an answer by the time we get to item 4.7

1074
01:29:02,630 --> 01:29:04,570
and when it's appropriate to answer that,

1075
01:29:04,690 --> 01:29:06,930
we will definitely do just that if that would be okay,

1076
01:29:07,290 --> 01:29:08,990
but I appreciate your bringing this up.

1077
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:11,420
Thank you.

1078
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:12,600
Thank you very much.

1079
01:29:16,420 --> 01:29:17,700
Is there anyone in the chambers wishing to speak

1080
01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:21,020
at a 4.3, Mr. Allen?

1081
01:29:24,980 --> 01:29:27,020
So I need it some time to think about it.

1082
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,000
So for this one specifically, I feel like it's though,

1083
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,800
it feels though debt for given a,

1084
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,040
there should be a path for debt for given us on this one.

1085
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:43,980
Specifically, essentially copying as a policy in Denver, as a policy in a rural Colorado.

1086
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:54,620
Now, I think on entire state policy in Colorado, as well as several other self-western states that will pay you to convert your lawn.

1087
01:29:54,940 --> 01:29:59,980
So it's a different program than the lottery system that Minnesota currently has for grants.

1088
01:30:00,660 --> 01:30:11,260
And it pays you a think of like $14 an hour, or sorry, $14 a square foot to convert your lawn. And if we adopted a program that's

1089
01:30:11,260 --> 01:30:19,980
like this, water uses usage would assuredly go down and it could build a pathway for people to do it themselves.

1090
01:30:21,020 --> 01:30:30,080
I'm looking specifically actually what really inspired this was the stormwater drainage section. So there's actually an ability to

1091
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:36,220
do a curb cut for a ring garden. And if you do a curb cut for a ring garden, cost you the

1092
01:30:36,220 --> 01:30:42,220
homeowner, whoever owns the curb or whoever is at the curb, about $800 to do. So that's a pretty

1093
01:30:42,220 --> 01:30:51,900
steep thing, but that's also, it also essentially removes the need for watering anymore. So for residents

1094
01:30:51,900 --> 01:31:01,060
who wanted to have an out, if they give them to debt for this, the path to debt or to remove

1095
01:31:01,060 --> 01:31:06,300
that debt could be a payment plan or something like that, but one version of that payment plan

1096
01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:11,200
could be to be on conversion into native plants, which is now legal. I've worked on that

1097
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:20,060
ordinance. I can assure anyone if you have an established native garden, you don't need

1098
01:31:20,060 --> 01:31:21,100
to water it anymore.

1099
01:31:23,060 --> 01:31:26,820
So that solves the problem in perpetuity after it's done,

1100
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:28,460
which seems like a pretty good solution.

1101
01:31:29,580 --> 01:31:30,520
Thank you Mr. Hallett.

1102
01:31:34,050 --> 01:31:35,930
Others wishing to speak to that in 4.3.

1103
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:41,470
Is there anybody new online?

1104
01:31:42,490 --> 01:31:44,170
We do not have anyone new online.

1105
01:31:44,430 --> 01:31:45,930
Council, we've heard from folks in the chambers.

1106
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:48,490
We have no one on line or on the phone wishing to speak.

1107
01:31:49,450 --> 01:31:50,950
Seeing no one coming forward, I look for a motion

1108
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:53,110
to close the public hearing on that in 4.3.

1109
01:31:54,350 --> 01:31:58,610
Motion by Council Member Dallas,

1110
01:31:58,610 --> 01:32:03,130
0.3. No further counsel discussion on this? Ms. Rye.

1111
01:32:04,030 --> 01:32:05,410
Pardon? I.

1112
01:32:05,930 --> 01:32:08,350
Rivas? Aye. Nelson?

1113
01:32:09,850 --> 01:32:14,410
Robert's in? Aye. Verbusy? Aye. Motion carries seven zero closing the public hearing.

1114
01:32:15,490 --> 01:32:17,350
Concentrate clown in Sirworth thoughts on this.

1115
01:32:18,050 --> 01:32:24,010
I would turn to staff and hope they took notes on what Mr. Hallett brought forward on a possible debt forgiveness.

1116
01:32:24,010 --> 01:32:31,630
I think it would be something at least worth looking into at least as a consideration for the city not this year obviously as we're trying to work through this year

1117
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:38,190
With that council, I would look for action at an end of 4.3 or questions council member Dallas

1118
01:32:38,190 --> 01:32:42,890
I don't know if you don't mind me making a comment, Mr. Mayor, but I'm happy to move the item as well

1119
01:32:44,010 --> 01:32:51,190
Yeah, I think the last the one of the challenges I think we've talked about in the past on this is to try to understand why this happens in the first place

1120
01:32:51,190 --> 01:33:03,390
because I think that to, if it is about long usage, if it is about inability to pay due to economic factors,

1121
01:33:03,670 --> 01:33:06,850
if it's, you know, there's lots of things that could come into this.

1122
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:13,130
I think early on in my time here, I even said, would it be possible for me to round up my utility bill

1123
01:33:13,130 --> 01:33:15,830
and put that towards a fund to help people offset their bills?

1124
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:22,050
right. We've talked, I know I talked with Ms. Conneve Scholar about that early on in my tenure here.

1125
01:33:22,350 --> 01:33:26,270
You know, there are there are absolutely ways to do this, but I, one of the challenges we have

1126
01:33:26,270 --> 01:33:31,050
is simply that we don't know why this is occurring for people. And that's a hard question to ask people.

1127
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:34,650
Is that a hard question to ask? Why are they having trouble paying their bills? Some people don't

1128
01:33:34,650 --> 01:33:40,290
want to pay them. That's fine. But some people do and can't. And, you know, understanding that the

1129
01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:43,430
is an equity consideration to some degree.

1130
01:33:44,110 --> 01:33:50,110
So anyway, I would encourage us to continue to look at ways we can mitigate this problem,

1131
01:33:50,170 --> 01:33:54,910
whether it's providing them with capacity to reduce the utility use in the first place.

1132
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:59,950
You all know I have two rain gardens and a 20 solar panels.

1133
01:34:00,330 --> 01:34:05,990
So I am definitely on board with that piece of the puzzle here, but so I try to lead by

1134
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:11,190
example in that front, but it also does make a difference to the, I have not watered my

1135
01:34:11,190 --> 01:34:17,970
lawn this year at all. I haven't. Doesn't look great, but I don't care. You know, but

1136
01:34:17,970 --> 01:34:25,490
it's nice and clean and you know, and butterflies and bees like it. So anyway, I just say that

1137
01:34:25,490 --> 01:34:30,410
because I think that there are options for everyone, and a little bit goes a long way when

1138
01:34:30,410 --> 01:34:34,550
the community as a whole is doing it. So with that, I'd be very happy to make the motion to

1139
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:36,090
adopt the assessment role for the

1140
01:34:36,090 --> 01:34:37,610
link with water sewer storm water

1141
01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:39,510
drainage garbage recycling and

1142
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:41,470
organics utility charges.

1143
01:34:42,030 --> 01:34:43,030
Motion by council member

1144
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:44,430
Dallas, under a second by council member

1145
01:34:44,430 --> 01:34:47,150
Rebus to adopt the resolution for

1146
01:34:47,150 --> 01:34:47,950
the assessment role for

1147
01:34:47,950 --> 01:34:49,650
the link with water storm sewer

1148
01:34:49,650 --> 01:34:50,890
storm water drainage garbage

1149
01:34:50,890 --> 01:34:52,410
recycling and organic utility

1150
01:34:52,410 --> 01:34:53,170
charges.

1151
01:34:53,770 --> 01:34:54,370
Don't forget the council

1152
01:34:54,370 --> 01:34:56,510
discussion on this is right.

1153
01:34:57,630 --> 01:34:57,990
Carter.

1154
01:34:59,070 --> 01:35:00,230
I'm Dallas, Andrew.

1155
01:35:01,170 --> 01:35:01,750
Rebus.

1156
01:35:02,290 --> 01:35:02,610
Nelson.

1157
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:05,550
Lowman Robertson, I bear Bessie.

1158
01:35:05,810 --> 01:35:07,610
I motion carries seven zero.

1159
01:35:08,570 --> 01:35:10,310
We'll move on to item 4.4.

1160
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:11,750
This is another public hearing.

1161
01:35:11,770 --> 01:35:13,890
This is regarding our tree removal assessments.

1162
01:35:17,530 --> 01:35:21,730
And I will open and we do have three different motions on this.

1163
01:35:22,490 --> 01:35:24,170
We do have these assessments.

1164
01:35:24,410 --> 01:35:27,430
As people get their trees removed, the city can do it.

1165
01:35:27,550 --> 01:35:30,050
And then we have options for people to have those tree removal

1166
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:32,950
costs spread over three, five or ten years.

1167
01:35:33,090 --> 01:35:37,670
This I think is in response to a couple of years ago, we realized just how expensive it was

1168
01:35:37,670 --> 01:35:43,390
to remove a lot of those dying ash trees and opted to give folks this option to be able

1169
01:35:43,390 --> 01:35:45,430
to spread the cost out over a number of years.

1170
01:35:46,170 --> 01:35:50,270
And that continues because we continue to remove trees and lose trees in our yards.

1171
01:35:50,970 --> 01:35:55,750
But this is the public hearing regarding this and then the tree remove costs that come

1172
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:56,230
with that.

1173
01:35:56,230 --> 01:35:58,790
So with that, I will open the public hearing

1174
01:35:58,790 --> 01:36:02,170
and item 4.4 is there anyone who wishes to speak

1175
01:36:02,170 --> 01:36:03,970
on item 4.4 this evening,

1176
01:36:04,290 --> 01:36:05,730
regarding tree removal assessments.

1177
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:10,440
Mr. Allen.

1178
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:11,380
Yep, for sure.

1179
01:36:12,340 --> 01:36:14,540
So there is a company called,

1180
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,700
oh my gosh, am I really gonna forget it right now?

1181
01:36:19,940 --> 01:36:22,560
There is a tree company, I can't remove whole trees.

1182
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:24,400
So there's a tree company,

1183
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,660
sorry, there is a company based in Wisconsin

1184
01:36:26,660 --> 01:36:28,360
and called hold, hold trees.

1185
01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:33,140
W-H-O-L-E, I don't know why I got the fostered

1186
01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:33,880
and I was spelling me there.

1187
01:36:34,780 --> 01:36:37,820
So hold trees will buy your tree.

1188
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:38,900
It will buy your tree.

1189
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,120
Not just pay, it will pay for the removal.

1190
01:36:41,300 --> 01:36:42,540
It will buy your tree.

1191
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,760
If it meets certain criteria that they're looking for

1192
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,660
because what they're trying to do is take a tree

1193
01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:50,840
and use it as biophilic architecture

1194
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:54,060
that we could have been using for our community center

1195
01:36:54,060 --> 01:36:55,460
or any other future type of thing.

1196
01:36:55,460 --> 01:37:00,560
So essentially what they are doing, they're grabbing your tree, they're trying to sell it and put it into a nice looking building or a structure.

1197
01:37:01,500 --> 01:37:05,580
It's a great thing to do. We should absolutely be doing it.

1198
01:37:05,620 --> 01:37:08,180
It could say people thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars.

1199
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:13,800
That's number one. The second thing you can do is turn it into biochar or activate a charcoal.

1200
01:37:14,180 --> 01:37:16,340
Activate a charcoal super super valuable.

1201
01:37:17,340 --> 01:37:20,560
Great first request to carbon that we are currently wasting.

1202
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,900
And you can use it to clean water.

1203
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:29,980
In fact, I think I saw somebody make a poster or comment about it.

1204
01:37:30,860 --> 01:37:59,580
How they're concerned about push-lake. Obviously there's been a huge debate about, about my, my, my, no, my, no, my, no, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, I definitely get into the, uh, the minutes of the river. Um, but all of these type of things, they don't have enough funding to really solve. It's extremely expensive to do. And, um, it's a cost saving measure that we should be taking advantage of. So, um, hold trees, activate a charcoal biochar. Do all three of them. Thank you. Thank you.

1205
01:38:02,590 --> 01:38:09,530
Other than chambers, wishing to speak to item 4.4, Ms. Ride, we have anyone on phone, on the phone.

1206
01:38:09,870 --> 01:38:11,450
Maybe we do not have anyone on the line.

1207
01:38:11,710 --> 01:38:13,130
Last call for anybody in the chambers.

1208
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:18,490
Council, no one in the chambers coming forward, no one on the phone wishing to speak to item 4.4,

1209
01:38:18,530 --> 01:38:23,030
or look for a motion to close the public hearing on item 4.4.

1210
01:38:23,210 --> 01:38:26,010
Motion by Council Member Reeves, second by Council Member Robertson,

1211
01:38:26,010 --> 01:38:27,950
to close the public hearing on item 4.4.

1212
01:38:28,670 --> 01:38:30,730
No further counsel discussion on this, Ms. Ride.

1213
01:38:31,950 --> 01:38:32,390
Carter?

1214
01:38:38,710 --> 01:38:39,590
Sorry about that.

1215
01:38:40,410 --> 01:38:40,830
Dallas, Andrew.

1216
01:38:41,870 --> 01:38:42,010
Rivas.

1217
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:43,210
Nelson.

1218
01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:44,630
Lower me.

1219
01:38:44,890 --> 01:38:45,850
Robert's Robertson.

1220
01:38:46,030 --> 01:38:46,050
Hi.

1221
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:46,570
Very nice.

1222
01:38:46,770 --> 01:38:47,070
Hi.

1223
01:38:47,230 --> 01:38:49,270
Motion carries seven zero.

1224
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:50,850
Nelson, any thoughts on this?

1225
01:38:50,910 --> 01:38:52,930
Any conversation we need to have on this one?

1226
01:38:55,100 --> 01:38:55,540
No.

1227
01:38:55,540 --> 01:38:57,100
I'm just going to endorse Mr. Mayor.

1228
01:38:57,220 --> 01:38:59,160
Everything that Matt says because I like it.

1229
01:39:00,220 --> 01:39:00,460
No.

1230
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:01,380
To be serious.

1231
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,780
I do think that there's opportunities for innovation all around here.

1232
01:39:04,780 --> 01:39:08,000
and we should be unearthing, no pun intended, all of them.

1233
01:39:08,180 --> 01:39:09,220
I don't disagree.

1234
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:10,360
We take a look into things.

1235
01:39:10,580 --> 01:39:11,000
Right on.

1236
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:11,720
Yeah.

1237
01:39:12,260 --> 01:39:12,280
Yep.

1238
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:13,820
Happy to make the motion if you'd like.

1239
01:39:14,340 --> 01:39:15,100
Councilmember Dallas, Andrew.

1240
01:39:15,340 --> 01:39:15,780
All right.

1241
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:19,300
I'm moving a resolution adopting the assessment role

1242
01:39:19,300 --> 01:39:21,720
for tree removal cost three year levy.

1243
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,260
Motion by Councilmember Dallas, Andrew, second by Councilmember Robertson,

1244
01:39:25,420 --> 01:39:28,300
to adopt the resolution for a assessment role

1245
01:39:28,300 --> 01:39:30,560
for the tree removal cost for the three year levy.

1246
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:32,700
Can I do all three of them?

1247
01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:33,940
It says A and on here.

1248
01:39:33,940 --> 01:39:35,800
I think we have to do them individually.

1249
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:36,500
Okay, perfect.

1250
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:40,300
No further counsel discussion on this?

1251
01:39:40,740 --> 01:39:41,780
Ms. Wright.

1252
01:39:42,580 --> 01:39:42,860
Carter?

1253
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:44,240
Aye.

1254
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:45,480
Talessandro? Aye.

1255
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:46,760
Reebass? Aye.

1256
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:47,360
Nelson?

1257
01:39:48,420 --> 01:39:48,660
Lowman?

1258
01:39:49,220 --> 01:39:50,020
Robertson? Aye.

1259
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:50,560
Mayor Bussie?

1260
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,240
Aye. Motion carries 7-0.

1261
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:53,140
Councilmember Dellessandro?

1262
01:39:53,620 --> 01:39:56,360
I will move to a resolution adopting the assessment role

1263
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:58,340
for tree removal costs 5-year-letty.

1264
01:39:58,640 --> 01:39:58,820
Second.

1265
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:02,070
Motion by Councilmember Dellessandro? Second by Councilmember Robertson?

1266
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:05,830
Robertson for the resolution adopting the assessment role for tree removal cost in the five year

1267
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:09,330
level. No further counsel discussion. Ms. Rye.

1268
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:11,070
I.

1269
01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:12,430
Tell Sandra. I.

1270
01:40:13,010 --> 01:40:13,490
Rebus.

1271
01:40:14,150 --> 01:40:14,250
I.

1272
01:40:14,990 --> 01:40:15,470
Lohman.

1273
01:40:16,110 --> 01:40:16,590
Robertson.

1274
01:40:16,710 --> 01:40:16,810
I.

1275
01:40:17,070 --> 01:40:17,530
Maribassie.

1276
01:40:17,530 --> 01:40:17,750
I.

1277
01:40:17,970 --> 01:40:19,850
Motion carries seven zero and council member.

1278
01:40:20,050 --> 01:40:20,330
Tell Sandra.

1279
01:40:20,430 --> 01:40:21,110
Last one.

1280
01:40:21,370 --> 01:40:24,230
Resolution adopting the assessment role for tree removal cost 10 year

1281
01:40:24,230 --> 01:40:24,610
level.

1282
01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:26,450
Motion by council member.

1283
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:27,730
Tell Sandra. Second by council member.

1284
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:31,170
Robertson to adopt the resolution for the assessment role for the tree removal

1285
01:40:31,170 --> 01:40:35,630
cost and a 10 year levy. No further counts of discussion. All those in, I'm sorry, Ms.

1286
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:41,910
Rye. Carter. Aye. Jala Santro. Aye. Rivas.

1287
01:40:43,130 --> 01:40:48,490
Nelson. Lowman. Robert Sun. Aye. Merbusy. Aye. Motion carries 7-0.

1288
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:50,070
Item 4.

1289
01:40:52,210 --> 01:40:54,750
Item 4.5 is our next public hearing. This is regarding

1290
01:40:54,750 --> 01:41:01,350
weed and brush removal assessments. Pretty straight forward there. I believe I will

1291
01:41:01,350 --> 01:41:05,090
up on the public hearing at an 4.5, where a weed and brush removal assessments.

1292
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:08,350
Is there anyone on the council chambers wishing to speak that in 4.5?

1293
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:14,600
Ms. Ryan, is there anyone on the phone?

1294
01:41:15,140 --> 01:41:16,580
There, we do not have anyone online.

1295
01:41:17,060 --> 01:41:18,200
Last call for anyone on the chambers?

1296
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:23,530
Council, no one coming forward, no one on the phone wishing to speak.

1297
01:41:23,670 --> 01:41:28,250
I look for a public, or I look for a motion to close the public hearing on an item 4.5.

1298
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:34,840
Motion to my council member Robertson, second by council member Rebus to close the public hearing at an 4.5.

1299
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:36,860
No further council discussion on this, Ms. Ryan.

1300
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:38,200
Carter.

1301
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:39,420
Aye.

1302
01:41:39,700 --> 01:41:40,300
Dallas, Andrew.

1303
01:41:41,260 --> 01:41:41,740
Rebus.

1304
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:43,240
Nelson.

1305
01:41:44,060 --> 01:41:44,220
Lohman.

1306
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:45,580
Robertson.

1307
01:41:45,860 --> 01:41:45,920
Aye.

1308
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:46,380
Maribassine.

1309
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:46,660
Aye.

1310
01:41:46,780 --> 01:41:49,300
Motion carries seven zero closing the public hearing.

1311
01:41:49,740 --> 01:41:49,920
Constantly.

1312
01:41:54,580 --> 01:41:55,060
Constantly.

1313
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:55,340
Constantly.

1314
01:41:56,340 --> 01:41:56,580
Oh,

1315
01:41:59,250 --> 01:41:59,990
I'm moving it.

1316
01:42:00,250 --> 01:42:00,710
Thank you, Mayor.

1317
01:42:01,110 --> 01:42:02,210
I, well, I didn't know.

1318
01:42:03,130 --> 01:42:06,770
I moved to adopt the resolution adopting the assessment role for weed and brush room.

1319
01:42:07,110 --> 01:42:07,350
Second.

1320
01:42:07,870 --> 01:42:08,530
Motion by Constantly.

1321
01:42:08,710 --> 01:42:09,790
Second by Constantly.

1322
01:42:09,790 --> 01:42:13,310
to the assessment role for the Rush from Mobile Cost.

1323
01:42:13,790 --> 01:42:15,250
No further counsel discussion on this?

1324
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:15,830
Ms. Rye.

1325
01:42:16,730 --> 01:42:17,030
Carter?

1326
01:42:18,270 --> 01:42:18,390
Aye.

1327
01:42:18,630 --> 01:42:19,150
Tell Sandra?

1328
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:19,930
Aye.

1329
01:42:20,110 --> 01:42:20,690
Rebus?

1330
01:42:21,310 --> 01:42:21,670
Nelson?

1331
01:42:22,410 --> 01:42:22,590
Loan?

1332
01:42:22,850 --> 01:42:23,450
Robert?

1333
01:42:23,710 --> 01:42:24,010
Aye.

1334
01:42:24,610 --> 01:42:26,090
Motion carries 70.

1335
01:42:27,530 --> 01:42:32,770
And in 4.6 is our public hearing regarding the public nuisance of base abatement assessments.

1336
01:42:33,670 --> 01:42:36,090
Mr. County, may you show them or explain this one?

1337
01:42:37,010 --> 01:42:38,850
I'll send a questions on this.

1338
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:41,930
If not, I will open the public hearing at an end of 4.6.

1339
01:42:41,950 --> 01:42:45,050
This is a public hearing regarding the public nuisance abatement assessment.

1340
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:48,330
Anyone in the chamber is wishing to speak at an end of 4.6 this evening.

1341
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:52,960
Good evening.

1342
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:54,620
Thank you for your patience with us.

1343
01:42:55,380 --> 01:42:56,820
If you could pull the microphone down.

1344
01:42:57,420 --> 01:42:58,060
There you go.

1345
01:42:58,200 --> 01:42:58,600
Thank you, sir.

1346
01:42:59,260 --> 01:43:01,000
My name is Mohammed Abdel Hafiz.

1347
01:43:01,660 --> 01:43:05,740
I live in Minnesota for 47 years.

1348
01:43:06,780 --> 01:43:14,540
36 years in Blomukton, I live in a corner of 86 and Quest of Odin and 12th Avenue.

1349
01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:25,520
For the last 36 years we've been collecting the leaf after the three like these days.

1350
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:32,770
We'll put them in the bag and we remove some and we keep some.

1351
01:43:32,770 --> 01:43:46,650
We keep some using for to prevent the device from getting into our bedroom because our house is in the corner of 12th Avenue and 86

1352
01:43:46,650 --> 01:43:53,210
So we use the live bootluck about you. Okay, could we please have you around please?

1353
01:43:54,770 --> 01:43:57,190
The bill of the house

1354
01:43:57,190 --> 01:44:00,870
There it is. Okay, in the house

1355
01:44:00,870 --> 01:44:10,450
It is my house, okay, it is my bedroom, we collect some of the leaves, in a bag, in a garbage bag,

1356
01:44:11,230 --> 01:44:18,850
like a black bag, put them in a front of the bedroom to prevent the draft getting into the house,

1357
01:44:19,110 --> 01:44:28,450
to try to save some money for the eat during the winter. Unforge, unfortunately, last winter,

1358
01:44:29,290 --> 01:44:37,750
about January. I had to go to Egypt. My mother was so sick, she's dying. I had to

1359
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:43,310
leave. So we went me and my wife, we only went me and my wife, leaving the house. We went

1360
01:44:43,310 --> 01:44:51,910
to Egypt. And we didn't realize that can cause a lot of problems. Somehow, in respect to

1361
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:59,290
whatever best buy and see that he got one of their guide.

1362
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,940
I will move these bags. And he sent it to me in notice. But we were not here. If I'm here, I will move. Otherwise, that's a big block. Anyway, they sent it to me in notice. We are not here, unfortunately, we came back. And the guy at call call me, handy, self-assman. Here, a charge, $155 for nine bags.

1363
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:41,780
9 bags, 9 leaf bags, you see over 9 leaf bags, and each charge 155 dollars, and as he said,

1364
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:48,460
the garlic to the paper here, according to the paper, he said that here, according to his

1365
01:45:48,460 --> 01:45:58,260
paper, it's 1 and a half hour to move 9 leaf bags, that means 10 minutes for each bag, that

1366
01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:06,970
mean you go outside this building and come back 10 minutes, okay? And that's not that only

1367
01:46:07,220 --> 01:46:21,600
each house a $75 an hour, $75 an hour. And my 47 years I never made $75 an hour. I never.

1368
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:34,920
So, $75, then that means each bag is $17, $20, $17, and $20 for each leaf of bag that

1369
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:42,380
unbelievable. And nobody in the city asked that guy, where did he do? What did he do with

1370
01:46:42,380 --> 01:46:48,280
one and a half? What did he do with one $55? Can you believe it?

1371
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:51,140
So, and now this is part of the assessment of all is that correct?

1372
01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:52,560
Yes, it is, okay.

1373
01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:56,500
Yes, one, two, five, Bella, four, nine, leave them back.

1374
01:46:56,580 --> 01:46:59,840
I appreciate that we're going to finish the public hearing and then we'll discuss this,

1375
01:47:00,020 --> 01:47:04,000
but I appreciate your brain this forward, and I think maybe we can, we can find a way,

1376
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:05,840
we can find a path forward here for this.

1377
01:47:05,980 --> 01:47:09,520
But please, I appreciate your brain this forward, and we're going to draw the time now,

1378
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:10,060
but I'm going to have to...

1379
01:47:10,060 --> 01:47:14,120
Maybe you feel that is the best state in the whole world.

1380
01:47:14,380 --> 01:47:14,720
Thank you.

1381
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:16,580
And I love the justice here.

1382
01:47:17,340 --> 01:47:17,860
Thank you.

1383
01:47:17,860 --> 01:47:19,280
Thank you.

1384
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:24,720
Anyone else wishing to speak on item 4.6 this evening?

1385
01:47:34,710 --> 01:47:35,670
I can catch your name.

1386
01:47:37,820 --> 01:47:40,160
So Muhammad actually inspired me a little bit because

1387
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:44,360
One thing I didn't get to mention or I forgot to mention was that the

1388
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:46,940
Organics recycling is going to be extremely important next year.

1389
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:52,640
His specific issue with his leaves has multiple different solutions.

1390
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,320
Obviously, I think you guys are going to talk about the policy one,

1391
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:57,060
but he can either leave him in the yard,

1392
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:00,680
Garden, Chuck him in there, but usually doesn't catch any

1393
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:04,580
finds or anything like that. It shouldn't, because native gardens do it all the time.

1394
01:48:05,180 --> 01:48:09,520
It's a very common way of over wondering a any type of garden.

1395
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:13,840
But, and you're going to hear this in the next listening session on the map.

1396
01:48:14,780 --> 01:48:18,400
With the risk and the brutalness of our food system,

1397
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,280
specifically with how logistics is going to work in the future,

1398
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:23,500
how El Nieniel is going to impact us.

1399
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,660
And there's a lot of stuff that's in the air that I'm waiting basically this week to see

1400
01:48:26,660 --> 01:48:29,900
is to how it's going to land before I get an accurate idea.

1401
01:48:30,460 --> 01:48:38,660
to tell you, but in his case, and we're for volunteer core, which is growing, there is opportunity

1402
01:48:38,660 --> 01:48:45,340
to say, hey, this is organic material, we need to get it, we need to put it someplace else,

1403
01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:47,400
it could be used for something, right?

1404
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:52,680
That doesn't cost anything if people can actually get connected and do that type of work.

1405
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:55,880
Willing to do it, and plenty of other people are going to be willing to do it, there's going

1406
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:57,940
to be a lot more people who are going to want to do it next year.

1407
01:48:58,260 --> 01:48:58,460
Thanks.

1408
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:00,780
Thank you, Mr. Hallett.

1409
01:49:04,030 --> 01:49:05,130
Others, wishing to speak?

1410
01:49:06,610 --> 01:49:07,910
Ms. Raider, we haven't anyone on the phone?

1411
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:10,410
May we do have some non-line wishing to speak.

1412
01:49:14,380 --> 01:49:19,440
Caller with phone numbers starting with 507-7-2 wish to speak on item 4.6?

1413
01:49:25,230 --> 01:49:32,110
Comment, it really applies to all these points, 4.1 to 4.7.

1414
01:49:32,490 --> 01:49:38,950
If there's been a finer assessment made, then it should be done in a way that it shows

1415
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:41,690
up for closing your title company searches?

1416
01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:46,720
I'm sorry, could you give us a name?

1417
01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:48,500
Could you provide your name for us, please?

1418
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:49,660
I live with Mara Lipp again.

1419
01:49:49,900 --> 01:49:50,160
Mara Lipp again.

1420
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:51,640
Mara Lipp, yes, yes.

1421
01:49:52,100 --> 01:49:58,620
OK, I do know that I think ultimately, if we have unpaid assessments

1422
01:49:58,620 --> 01:50:02,140
that does show up and it is paid upon the sale of the home.

1423
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:05,780
So I appreciate you bringing that up.

1424
01:50:06,060 --> 01:50:06,320
OK.

1425
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:07,280
Thank you.

1426
01:50:09,860 --> 01:50:10,120
Others?

1427
01:50:13,180 --> 01:50:17,220
Council, no longer on the phone and no one coming forward wishing to speak on item 4.6

1428
01:50:17,220 --> 01:50:20,860
I look for a motion to close the public hearing on item 4.6.

1429
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:28,040
Motion by Council Member Dalesandro, the second by Council Member Robertson to close the

1430
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:31,920
public hearing on item 4.6, no further Council discussion on this?

1431
01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:32,860
Ms. Wright.

1432
01:50:32,860 --> 01:50:33,600
Carter,

1433
01:50:38,780 --> 01:50:39,200
right?

1434
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:40,420
Dallas, Andrew?

1435
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:42,160
Reeves?

1436
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:43,340
Nelson?

1437
01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:44,980
Lowman?

1438
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:46,220
Robertson?

1439
01:50:46,340 --> 01:50:46,620
Aye.

1440
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:47,060
Merbusy?

1441
01:50:47,180 --> 01:50:47,420
Aye.

1442
01:50:47,540 --> 01:50:48,660
Motion carries 70.

1443
01:50:49,860 --> 01:50:51,460
Council, any discussion on item 4.6?

1444
01:50:52,020 --> 01:50:52,480
I'll just remember.

1445
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:53,280
Elvisandro.

1446
01:50:53,540 --> 01:50:54,120
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1447
01:50:54,460 --> 01:50:58,280
This is probably a comment related to this one in maybe 4.7.

1448
01:50:58,440 --> 01:51:02,040
But this is where we are in 4.6, right?

1449
01:51:02,340 --> 01:51:02,360
Yeah.

1450
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,000
So, there's part of me.

1451
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:11,580
we say at the city of Bloomington that we work towards compliance, right? The goal is towards compliance.

1452
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:19,220
And what I'm a little nervous about with the fairly sharp uptick on both this one and I could guess,

1453
01:51:19,220 --> 01:51:23,740
I could say the same thing related to 4.7 uptick in the number of finds that we're going to

1454
01:51:23,740 --> 01:51:30,060
assessments with is that that may not be working. And I want to be, I want to be, I want to make sure

1455
01:51:30,060 --> 01:51:39,360
If we think that we should be doing something different, I'm not a huge fan as you know already Mr. Mayor of having laws we don't intend to enforce.

1456
01:51:40,540 --> 01:51:43,420
I don't know why they're on the books if we're not going to enforce them, right?

1457
01:51:43,860 --> 01:51:47,300
And the intent of these things is to ensure compliance.

1458
01:51:47,520 --> 01:52:00,040
But there's a mismatch if people can not comply and paying the fines or not paying the fines doesn't necessarily ensure that they're actually cleaning up.

1459
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:05,480
the act anyway. And so given the uptick and the number of folks that are going to assessment

1460
01:52:05,480 --> 01:52:09,640
here, plus the uptick and the number, I shouldn't say I know that there's an uptick,

1461
01:52:09,860 --> 01:52:14,660
but given the number of people that have contacted me in the last year with concerns in

1462
01:52:14,660 --> 01:52:20,240
these two spaces specifically, I don't know if we have an opportunity potentially in an upcoming

1463
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:27,760
year-work plan item to look at this particular section of our system and whether or not we can do

1464
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:29,560
a little bit better for it.

1465
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:47,360
It's just been something that my my my constituents have stated more often. And I don't know if people are unwilling to pay the fines, whether they're actually doing the work of compliance anyway, and that makes me a little concerned.

1466
01:52:52,300 --> 01:52:53,020
Thank you.

1467
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:53,940
Thank you.

1468
01:52:54,060 --> 01:52:54,260
Yes.

1469
01:52:54,460 --> 01:52:55,220
No worries.

1470
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:55,780
Thanks.

1471
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:57,620
Thank you, Mayor.

1472
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:03,120
So just kind of looking at this situation kind of directly here.

1473
01:53:03,300 --> 01:53:05,700
And my numbers aren't adding up.

1474
01:53:05,860 --> 01:53:07,240
So I need a little bit of help with that.

1475
01:53:07,580 --> 01:53:08,960
I've seen something like.

1476
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:12,760
If I cut the numbers right, I think I saw like 142.

1477
01:53:15,780 --> 01:53:18,120
Maybe there's some other piece that I'm missing.

1478
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:21,460
maybe there's some kind of administrative piece that gets it up to 150.

1479
01:53:22,180 --> 01:53:28,020
But if we had nine bags, and we're just, you know,

1480
01:53:28,140 --> 01:53:31,880
a couple of us counselors are up here looking to see what that would have cost.

1481
01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:36,080
If we had charged the bag fee, which would have been 481,

1482
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:38,660
which I know these are again, you know,

1483
01:53:38,780 --> 01:53:40,420
Mayor, two different services.

1484
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:44,460
I know for removing something that's, you know, completely different kind of thing.

1485
01:53:44,460 --> 01:53:48,100
But just trying to get a picture for what this might cost

1486
01:53:49,860 --> 01:53:53,100
if our service had picked up before 81 a bag.

1487
01:53:53,620 --> 01:53:57,300
And so if we did nine by that, 43, 29, again,

1488
01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:58,720
just the bag picked up itself.

1489
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:02,120
So just trying to figure out, you know,

1490
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:10,840
it's certainly we could try to eliminate the whole thing,

1491
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:15,740
given the circumstances that he was in.

1492
01:54:16,340 --> 01:54:19,680
And his family was in and when they've gotten the notification anyways,

1493
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:21,980
and I think there's some good sense to kind of do in that.

1494
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,200
Or, you know, alternatively maybe another way to do it as well.

1495
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:30,880
Yeah, that's true, but, you know, there is a cost to do in doing this.

1496
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:36,160
So maybe a one way to go would be that to the 481 per bag.

1497
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:40,540
I'm kind of open both ways, but I wanted to just kind of throw a couple ideas out there.

1498
01:54:40,540 --> 01:54:47,190
So we could kind of kick around and see what kind of makes sense before other thoughts.

1499
01:54:49,670 --> 01:54:50,330
Let's remember Nelson.

1500
01:54:51,530 --> 01:54:51,690
Yeah.

1501
01:54:51,690 --> 01:54:52,310
Thanks, Mayor.

1502
01:54:55,980 --> 01:55:00,060
So am I right to understand the bags were just sitting in against the house?

1503
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:01,100
They were.

1504
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:05,130
They were.

1505
01:55:05,130 --> 01:55:08,240
I don't know if you could see the picture.

1506
01:55:08,540 --> 01:55:09,320
You could see the picture.

1507
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:11,880
The bags were like preventing.

1508
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:15,280
Yeah, no, but they were put on the party afterwards from what I understand.

1509
01:55:15,660 --> 01:55:19,620
The bags were actually in the bushes preventing the wind from blowing doors

1510
01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:24,160
house. That's what the purpose of the bags being at the location that he had him. What I don't

1511
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:28,260
understand is how one of the bags are still there and four of them are at the door.

1512
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:31,780
That's the

1513
01:55:31,780 --> 01:55:37,420
one part that I didn't quite get and I don't want to do it. And that's what I've done to myself.

1514
01:55:37,940 --> 01:55:45,200
It's also going to have the photo at the end of the door. That's what I understood it to be as

1515
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:51,560
So, yeah, you know, I'm sympathetic to the situation, and I think there's a reasonable way to work this out.

1516
01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:58,020
I also would just note that maybe we should connect him with our team that can get him in touch with Excel

1517
01:55:58,020 --> 01:56:06,840
because they will come and do an energy audit and they will provide you things to stop that when to weatherproof that door

1518
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:11,840
and help you out with those things who get a more permanent solution than utilizing your leaves and stuff.

1519
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:15,840
And it's a, you know, it's a good way, it's a good thing to do for your entire home.

1520
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:17,940
But there are programs that will help you with that.

1521
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:19,580
And so I just want to make sure.

1522
01:56:19,940 --> 01:56:20,600
He's aware of that.

1523
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:22,120
I think we can help with that.

1524
01:56:22,500 --> 01:56:25,980
You know, I was looking out with councilmember Loman and, you know, I mean,

1525
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:31,400
if we sent, if he had been in a position to make the phone call to get those

1526
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:33,960
bags picked up, it would have cost him $4.81.

1527
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:37,640
That's a bag for the city service to do that.

1528
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:41,280
And somebody did come pick them up, but I don't know why we're allowing somebody to

1529
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:47,280
more than what our our FES for picking up a leaf bag.

1530
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:52,620
Don't disagree and I and I also question why this became such an urgent issue.

1531
01:56:53,060 --> 01:56:54,880
It looked like that that bill was marked in March.

1532
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:58,300
I don't know why it's an urgent issue to be picking up, you know,

1533
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:00,440
bags in March.

1534
01:57:01,980 --> 01:57:03,120
I would agree.

1535
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:05,620
I'm sympathetic to this also based on the circumstances.

1536
01:57:06,420 --> 01:57:09,800
I do understand from staff that the fine was was waived.

1537
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:17,640
has already been waived, but I do think it might be appropriate to waived at the cost of the

1538
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:22,320
removal as well, because I just, I think, extend your waiting circumstances, and I guess

1539
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:26,420
I'm not exactly sure why this became an issue in March of the year.

1540
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:30,400
So, we go with that.

1541
01:57:30,740 --> 01:57:36,100
So what we will do then, staff, I'm going to make the motion that we adopt the Residolution,

1542
01:57:36,100 --> 01:57:40,200
adopting the assessment role for public nuisance abatements,

1543
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:49,080
exempting the assessment at 87-24 Crest Road.

1544
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:51,640
I will make that note.

1545
01:57:52,300 --> 01:57:55,900
Second, motion in the second by council member,

1546
01:57:55,900 --> 01:57:57,040
by council member Loman,

1547
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:02,320
to accept the resolution for the assessment role

1548
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,080
for the public nuisance abatements,

1549
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:12,800
while exempting 87-24 Crest Road. Any further counsel discussion on this? Hearing none, Ms.

1550
01:58:12,980 --> 01:58:21,640
Wright. Carter, I, Dallas, Andrew, I, Rebus, Nelson, Blooming, Robertton, I, where

1551
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:25,640
Busty, I, Motion carries 7-0. Thank you very much.

1552
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:32,200
Our last public hearing on this topic is

1553
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:36,520
item 4.7. This is regarding civil fines for property-related violation assessments.

1554
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:40,860
I will open the public hearing and item 44.7 right now.

1555
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,680
We're getting civil fines for property related violation assessments.

1556
01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:47,660
So anyone in the council chamber is wishing to speak to that in 4.7 tonight.

1557
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:55,920
Ms. Ride, do we have anyone on the phone?

1558
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:58,220
May we do not have anyone new online.

1559
01:58:59,260 --> 01:59:01,360
Last call for anybody in the chambers.

1560
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:06,420
If not, council, I will look for a motion to close the public hearing and item 4.7.

1561
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:07,340
So move.

1562
01:59:08,060 --> 01:59:12,140
Motion by council member Loman, second by council member Rivas to close the public hearing and item 4.7.

1563
01:59:12,140 --> 01:59:16,000
No further discussion on this, Ms. Rye.

1564
01:59:16,140 --> 01:59:16,460
Carter?

1565
01:59:17,540 --> 01:59:18,700
All right, Dallas, Andrew.

1566
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:19,760
Rebus?

1567
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:20,780
Nalton?

1568
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:21,560
Lowman?

1569
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:22,640
Robertson?

1570
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:23,000
Aye.

1571
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:23,500
Mayor Bessie?

1572
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:25,340
Aye. Motion carries a seven zero.

1573
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:26,980
That's what I need to add to that.

1574
01:59:27,660 --> 01:59:32,060
I just wanted to make sure that the caller, I think,

1575
01:59:32,060 --> 01:59:35,200
I think the reason the caller said what they did.

1576
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:39,360
Mr. Mayors, because in the packet, it states clearly that

1577
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:48,100
the reason behind the waiver of the assessment in certain cases was because the prior, it was

1578
01:59:48,100 --> 01:59:52,860
assessed by the prior owner and the new owner didn't know anything about it so we weighed it.

1579
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:58,020
Which implies that it isn't getting dealt with that title. And that's why I believe that

1580
01:59:58,020 --> 01:59:59,980
the question was asked. So I would like for a-

1581
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,380
Just to potentially just take a deeper look at that and make sure we understand how that works and

1582
02:00:04,380 --> 02:00:07,500
this council has a thought.

1583
02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:14,480
I think that's a good point, council member, Ms. Mayer, members. This is largely a timing matter.

1584
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:20,060
So when assessments are in their pending stage, what is very common practice in the

1585
02:00:20,060 --> 02:00:24,920
industry is that the realtor or the telecompanier, someone calls the city, and we tell them.

1586
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:28,520
We tell them what all the different pending assessments that might be on the property.

1587
02:00:29,740 --> 02:00:32,320
And they do what they do with that information.

1588
02:00:34,260 --> 02:00:39,600
And so often those are gotten captured and reflected in the final paperwork.

1589
02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:44,400
When that comes on later in the year, it gets picked up in this part of the process.

1590
02:00:45,100 --> 02:00:50,140
But there is a period of time just based on the assessment schedule where some of those charges are sitting there pending.

1591
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:54,520
So we do our best to share all that information, but they have to reach out.

1592
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:57,140
We can't keep track of every single sale that's pending.

1593
02:00:57,140 --> 02:01:03,420
understood is there an opportunity for us to add any details around this to this time of sale

1594
02:01:03,420 --> 02:01:07,820
disclosures that we do I know we do it for energy disclosures today or whatever I was curious

1595
02:01:07,820 --> 02:01:14,940
whether or not I mean is it is it I agree with you that it's the burden shouldn't be on us to get

1596
02:01:14,940 --> 02:01:20,560
that and so what you're basically saying is there's no requirement that that's disclosed we will

1597
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:27,920
close it to the purchaser if they request it, but we are not under obligation to provide

1598
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:28,720
it.

1599
02:01:28,980 --> 02:01:31,480
Yeah, Mayor members, we would certainly always provide it.

1600
02:01:31,540 --> 02:01:34,500
Whenever we were asked, we just don't know when there are pending shorts.

1601
02:01:35,540 --> 02:01:41,400
So they reach out, we always share the information, and then it's reflected typically in the

1602
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:45,080
closing statements, and it gets sorted out in the closing process.

1603
02:01:45,700 --> 02:01:47,960
So we share everything we have.

1604
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:54,000
We can certainly look into whether it's possible to put something specific in the time of sale process if it isn't already there.

1605
02:01:54,100 --> 02:01:55,820
I haven't had the opportunity to look short.

1606
02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:57,900
I might be awaited to do that.

1607
02:01:57,900 --> 02:02:03,940
The open question would be whether or not the city deserves to recruit those dollars in which I think we're saying we do,

1608
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:06,180
which is why we do this in the first place.

1609
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:07,220
Thanks Mr. Mayor.

1610
02:02:07,620 --> 02:02:08,960
Thank you.

1611
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:09,600
That's Premier Nelson.

1612
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:14,040
I'd point out that in a real estate transaction,

1613
02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:21,740
the sellers obligated to provide all material information and I would think that would be all potential

1614
02:02:21,740 --> 02:02:29,140
assessments and costs and things like that. They have a affirmative duty to do that. So if they

1615
02:02:29,140 --> 02:02:32,620
don't do that, that's on them not us. Thank you, Councilmember.

1616
02:02:34,970 --> 02:02:37,450
With that aside, Council. Any other

1617
02:02:37,450 --> 02:02:45,430
questions? Comments on this? If not, I look for action on an 4.7. Sure, happy to make the

1618
02:02:45,430 --> 02:02:50,310
So moving a resolution adopting the assessment role for unpaid civil penalties and fines.

1619
02:02:51,010 --> 02:02:54,330
Motion by Council Member Dahlisandro, Second by Council Member Robertson, to adopt the

1620
02:02:54,330 --> 02:02:57,410
assessment role for unpaid civil penalties and fines.

1621
02:02:58,170 --> 02:02:59,450
No further counts of discussion on this.

1622
02:02:59,630 --> 02:02:59,950
Ms. Rye.

1623
02:03:02,430 --> 02:03:02,650
Aye.

1624
02:03:03,030 --> 02:03:03,490
Dahlisandro?

1625
02:03:04,670 --> 02:03:05,150
Reeves?

1626
02:03:05,890 --> 02:03:06,250
Nelson?

1627
02:03:06,990 --> 02:03:07,290
Lowman?

1628
02:03:07,350 --> 02:03:07,890
Aye.

1629
02:03:07,890 --> 02:03:08,430
Robertson?

1630
02:03:08,770 --> 02:03:09,330
Merbusy?

1631
02:03:09,410 --> 02:03:09,710
Aye.

1632
02:03:09,770 --> 02:03:11,110
Motion carries 7-0.

1633
02:03:12,150 --> 02:03:17,610
Thank you very much for that, Miss Academy Scholar, and thanks for our staff who stuck around to lead us through this as necessary.

1634
02:03:18,890 --> 02:03:25,110
We will move on to item 4.8, and thank you for the patience of the folks who are here for that item, and I know there's more than a couple of you.

1635
02:03:25,470 --> 02:03:34,690
What I'm going to do, Council, because I know this is going to take us more than a half hour, I'm going to move that we extend our adjournment time to no later than 9.30 this evening.

1636
02:03:34,690 --> 02:03:36,150
All right, we'll make that motion.

1637
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:40,870
Motion in the second two extend our adjournment time to no later than 930.

1638
02:03:41,630 --> 02:03:42,250
No further counsel.

1639
02:03:42,410 --> 02:03:43,930
Discussion is right.

1640
02:03:44,630 --> 02:03:44,930
Carter.

1641
02:03:46,010 --> 02:03:46,150
Aye.

1642
02:03:46,510 --> 02:03:46,970
Talessandro.

1643
02:03:47,870 --> 02:03:48,430
Reverse.

1644
02:03:48,930 --> 02:03:49,250
Nelson.

1645
02:03:49,930 --> 02:03:50,370
Lowman.

1646
02:03:52,860 --> 02:03:53,760
Lowman is stepped away.

1647
02:03:54,220 --> 02:03:54,780
Robertson.

1648
02:03:55,700 --> 02:03:57,120
Motion carries 6-0.

1649
02:03:57,460 --> 02:03:58,960
Extend to no later than 930.

1650
02:03:59,780 --> 02:04:02,460
With that, we will move on to item 4.8.

1651
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:05,760
This is a public hearing regarding the James Avenue City Homes rezoning.

1652
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:07,720
The final site in building plans.

1653
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:11,220
Plating for 9025 and 9033 James Avenue.

1654
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:13,920
Miso day, you're with us once again.

1655
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:15,440
Regarding one of these, thank you.

1656
02:04:15,900 --> 02:04:17,220
Yes, thank you, Mayor.

1657
02:04:17,860 --> 02:04:22,140
In city council members, the last public hearing on your agenda is for

1658
02:04:22,140 --> 02:04:23,980
James Avenue City Homes.

1659
02:04:26,300 --> 02:04:31,400
The subject property address is 9025 and 9033 James Avenue.

1660
02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:37,820
South, just located off 90th Street and James Avenue, just a little bit north of City Hall here,

1661
02:04:38,140 --> 02:04:44,120
surrounding land uses, are mostly single family dwellings with a place of assembly directly

1662
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:51,080
to the East and some industrial properties further to the South. So the applicant is requesting

1663
02:04:51,080 --> 02:04:57,380
a series of entitlements, the first including a rezoning from R1 to R3,

1664
02:04:57,380 --> 02:05:03,060
Funnels that imbilling plans to construct nine detached town homes and then a flat

1665
02:05:03,980 --> 02:05:10,180
to replad two single-family residential lots into nine detached town homes lots and one outlot.

1666
02:05:12,380 --> 02:05:15,860
So the subject properties are guided as medium density residential in the

1667
02:05:15,860 --> 02:05:19,840
compound. The subject properties have been guided this way in multiple

1668
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:27,220
comprehensive plan iterations going back as far as 1981. The guidance allows a minimum of five units

1669
02:05:27,220 --> 02:05:33,780
in acre up to 15 units in acre and the proposed density is 9 units in acre.

1670
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:40,380
So, the two single family homes are currently zoned our one single family residential.

1671
02:05:40,980 --> 02:05:46,700
The applicant is choosing to rezone to R3, which is consistent with the land use guidance.

1672
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:54,040
So, staff reviews the purpose and intent of the R3 zoning district.

1673
02:05:54,040 --> 02:06:01,480
And so the R3's on and district allows up to 12 units in Icar, it's consistent with the existing land use guidance.

1674
02:06:02,180 --> 02:06:09,860
Detached town homes are similar in design with single family dwellings, so therefore it's compatible with nearby low-density residential.

1675
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:19,100
These properties are closed in proximity to 35W, as well as 90th Street, is a close proximity to Logan Playlot.

1676
02:06:19,100 --> 02:06:26,360
And then about directly to place of assembly and industrial area to the south, and it's also worth mentioning that

1677
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:31,560
90th and Penn and 90th and Lindell are also very close by.

1678
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:39,100
So the one evaluating resounding applications, there are no state statute findings.

1679
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:47,400
Therefore we kind of evaluate the request based on the consistency with the comprehensive plan and public benefit.

1680
02:06:47,400 --> 02:06:55,180
The goals and strategies in the 2040 comp plan include providing a range of housing options and identified new areas for housing.

1681
02:06:55,800 --> 02:07:05,120
Recently adopted missing middle housing ordinance was recently adopted earlier this year and so this provides a missing middle housing type.

1682
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:12,520
So getting into site photos that were taken earlier a couple weeks ago, the property at

1683
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:18,420
1995, James Avenue, the home was demolished, I think, about three years ago, but the property

1684
02:07:18,420 --> 02:07:21,400
at 93, James Avenue is still standing.

1685
02:07:24,020 --> 02:07:27,440
So getting into the site plan, there'd be one curb cut

1686
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:29,960
off of James Avenue, nine total.

1687
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:53,980
Total detached shone homes, five would be on the north side, a four on the south side with a private driveway, and the end of the private driveway would end in a cul-de-sac, with two gas spaces, located just south of the cul-de-sac, and plans identify two stalk rages with a double-eye driveway. The applicant is also proposing a boven blow-ground infiltration systems.

1688
02:07:56,190 --> 02:08:03,830
Getting into a little bit of the traffic, the project is anticipated to generate 85 trips a day,

1689
02:08:04,110 --> 02:08:09,550
which is in that increase of 66 trips when you take away the trips from the single family dwellings.

1690
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:18,190
James Avenue has a standard width of 32 feet, with a sufficient capacity to handle the increase,

1691
02:08:18,750 --> 02:08:21,350
and has James Avenue has no parking restrictions.

1692
02:08:24,580 --> 02:08:31,860
So, the applicant is not pursuing any vertical construction at this time and is developing

1693
02:08:31,860 --> 02:08:37,080
the lots for sale, but building plans are required to be submitted for a final-same

1694
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:42,820
building plan applications, so the plans that are provided with the application are conceptual,

1695
02:08:43,240 --> 02:08:48,960
but the plans do show that the structures of B20 feet tall, floor plans show one bedroom,

1696
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:54,800
750 square feet, building materials will be made out of stone veneer and lap sighting.

1697
02:08:55,840 --> 02:09:00,460
So the design will likely change, but the plans must be code complying.

1698
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:09,640
Getting into parking and sidewalks, two stalls of unit are acquired and they're showing it.

1699
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:16,480
Excuse me, two stalls of unit are being proposed and then two guest parking spaces are provided

1700
02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:22,000
on the southeast corner, and then as far as public sidewalks, a six-foot wide public sidewalk

1701
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:24,260
is required along James Avenue.

1702
02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:32,160
Then getting into the landscape plan, 18 trees and 54 shrubs

1703
02:09:32,160 --> 02:09:37,700
are required, and that's what's being shown on the plans kind of scattered all throughout the site.

1704
02:09:38,220 --> 02:09:47,340
And then this project is not required tree preservation, so just to note about the tree removal

1705
02:09:48,620 --> 02:10:03,140
And then lastly, getting into the plat, which just shows the individual lots, and the outlots for the private driveway, just to note that the stormwater sidewalks and other site improvements must be completed with the plat approval.

1706
02:10:04,660 --> 02:10:18,120
And lastly, just getting before the recommendation, just to note that plenty commission reviewed the application at the August 20th meeting and ultimately recommended approval with the addition of a construction management plan condition.

1707
02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:22,880
which followed concerns raised by the Planning Commission and the public.

1708
02:10:23,480 --> 02:10:28,260
The management plan with specifically address items like project phasing,

1709
02:10:28,820 --> 02:10:30,900
contractor parking hours of construction,

1710
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:35,100
desk control, signage, equipment deliveries, and storm water in a

1711
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:35,960
region control.

1712
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:39,580
So with that, Planning Commission and staff are recommending approval

1713
02:10:39,580 --> 02:10:42,060
and I know the applicant is here for any questions.

1714
02:10:43,620 --> 02:10:47,420
Very good. First council any questions for Miss Oday.

1715
02:10:52,990 --> 02:10:58,670
Questions? I know that the applicant is here. I ask if anything like to add. Mister.

1716
02:10:59,710 --> 02:11:00,430
For a long.

1717
02:11:02,490 --> 02:11:03,030
Well, I'm sorry.

1718
02:11:04,170 --> 02:11:07,170
Council member Carter is the question of Miss Oday on this one.

1719
02:11:09,530 --> 02:11:13,630
You know what I accidentally raised me in. I do have a question, but I will wait until after.

1720
02:11:13,790 --> 02:11:15,130
I have written hand. Very good.

1721
02:11:16,310 --> 02:11:17,970
This is for a long day, Dad.

1722
02:11:18,350 --> 02:11:19,050
Yeah, it's a good evening.

1723
02:11:19,250 --> 02:11:20,350
Council members, Mayor Busy.

1724
02:11:20,950 --> 02:11:23,430
Thank you for hearing this application.

1725
02:11:23,790 --> 02:11:28,550
So our intent here obviously is to create places for new homeowners to build a house.

1726
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:31,130
Kind of new, kind of a new thing for Bloomington.

1727
02:11:32,170 --> 02:11:34,450
Brief history of the site here.

1728
02:11:34,650 --> 02:11:38,630
So we acquired the single family home in 1925,

1729
02:11:38,630 --> 02:11:40,310
James, about four years ago.

1730
02:11:40,670 --> 02:11:41,710
It was uninhabitable.

1731
02:11:42,310 --> 02:11:47,150
and so we raised that structure and since then we're looking for plans to

1732
02:11:47,150 --> 02:11:52,030
redevelop this site and I had a neighborhood meeting about three years ago to

1733
02:11:52,030 --> 02:11:56,450
talk about ways we could use that one single parcel maybe build a twin home or

1734
02:11:56,450 --> 02:12:00,850
a duplex something like that and then the opportunity for us to acquire 93

1735
02:12:00,850 --> 02:12:06,030
three James came along making the site the full acre that we're discussing

1736
02:12:06,030 --> 02:12:06,870
this evening.

1737
02:12:09,010 --> 02:12:13,090
So, the financial feasibilities are developing this site. We're not great. We looked

1738
02:12:13,090 --> 02:12:18,270
at twin-home plans. We looked different ways to create different layouts and nothing really seemed

1739
02:12:18,270 --> 02:12:25,070
to pencil out very well on a pro-forma until the missing middle housing ordinance was enacted.

1740
02:12:25,830 --> 02:12:32,330
And that allows us now to present this plan if the site is to be rezoned to our three

1741
02:12:32,330 --> 02:12:39,690
where we can make this financially feasible and doing it as lots reduces our capital burdens

1742
02:12:39,690 --> 02:12:46,830
that reduces our risk and it offers the purchasers of these and opportunity to create a home

1743
02:12:46,830 --> 02:12:53,460
for themselves that is more attainable. And so I think for those reasons it's a great plan.

1744
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:58,910
A few notes from planning commission that I picked up a question was raised about these

1745
02:12:58,910 --> 02:13:03,010
becoming rentals. We're not going to prohibit that, but the intent here is not opportunity

1746
02:13:03,010 --> 02:13:07,310
if someone to buy a lot and build a house for themselves. So we're not looking to build

1747
02:13:07,310 --> 02:13:15,210
this out as a rent rental build out. So that's not the intent. Another question was if what

1748
02:13:15,210 --> 02:13:19,830
if one house gets built, what happens? Well, the developer is going to maintain control the site

1749
02:13:19,830 --> 02:13:25,850
until all nine lots are sold. So we'd be responsible for maintaining the site until it's completely

1750
02:13:25,850 --> 02:13:32,430
developed. The construction management plan so I learned something new every time I come up with one of these

1751
02:13:32,430 --> 02:13:40,170
and this time was in this site due to the size and the number of units I can't imagine having nine

1752
02:13:40,170 --> 02:13:45,530
homes under construction here at the same time. And I told the commissioners a planning commission

1753
02:13:45,530 --> 02:13:50,030
will let the builders figure that out but I don't I don't I don't think we want to do that so I think

1754
02:13:50,030 --> 02:13:55,130
the construction management plans are really good idea and maybe something along the lines of

1755
02:13:55,130 --> 02:13:58,770
after discussing with staff here and thinking about this.

1756
02:13:58,990 --> 02:14:00,770
And I think about this house down the street

1757
02:14:00,770 --> 02:14:03,290
for me that had a new roof put on last this summer.

1758
02:14:03,910 --> 02:14:08,430
And just how that was, disruption in my day,

1759
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:11,210
I think it makes sense to probably limit us

1760
02:14:11,210 --> 02:14:15,130
to maybe three shells under construction at one time

1761
02:14:15,130 --> 02:14:18,250
is probably feasible to minimize the impact

1762
02:14:18,250 --> 02:14:18,930
in the neighborhood.

1763
02:14:19,790 --> 02:14:23,130
And then have that be a first come first serve

1764
02:14:23,130 --> 02:14:30,410
on the permit process, so I'll create some construct around that so that we don't have

1765
02:14:30,410 --> 02:14:35,010
nine different framing crews in here all at the same time trying to build nine houses,

1766
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:39,130
all at once in this space. I don't think it will work. There were some other questions too

1767
02:14:39,130 --> 02:14:42,910
about group homes in the neighborhood. We're not talking about group homes to be constructed here.

1768
02:14:43,190 --> 02:14:50,930
I don't know what that is, but then traffic, it sounds more like there was a routing of traffic

1769
02:14:50,930 --> 02:14:55,550
to this neighborhood is more of an issue than what this development will create as you heard

1770
02:14:55,550 --> 02:14:59,270
from missile day, the new trip generations only 66.

1771
02:15:00,270 --> 02:15:28,530
I do have something additional to add. We're talking about money earlier this evening, and there's this new federal innovation fund that I spoke in with staff about this. And the basics of this are, the federal allocation is an annual $200 million to municipalities that adopt forward thinking housing policies that yield creation of additional housing units.

1772
02:15:28,530 --> 02:15:53,470
And Bloomington's already well underway on this and so I think a project like this, what the HRA is doing, the town homes in 86th street, all those things, I think that lines up Bloomington very well, first from additional CBDG funds and I know that we could use some of those dollars for sewer infrastructure, so that's something else I'm thinking about.

1773
02:15:53,470 --> 02:15:56,450
The last thing I have, unless you have questions for me,

1774
02:15:56,810 --> 02:16:00,030
is I'm not a far off corporate capitalist.

1775
02:16:00,130 --> 02:16:02,650
I've been a resident of Bloomington for 23 years.

1776
02:16:03,110 --> 02:16:06,610
I do this for fun largely, which I usually get laughed at.

1777
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:07,990
Like, why would you do this for fun?

1778
02:16:08,570 --> 02:16:10,370
I thought about this as if I'm a neighbor,

1779
02:16:10,650 --> 02:16:12,950
and I want the neighborhood to know that I'm available

1780
02:16:12,950 --> 02:16:14,550
through this process.

1781
02:16:14,770 --> 02:16:17,270
I recently mailed out my contact information

1782
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:18,930
to everyone in the neighborhood again.

1783
02:16:19,210 --> 02:16:20,650
Please call me with questions.

1784
02:16:20,650 --> 02:16:25,930
If we gain approval and we're under way, the neighborhood's always welcome to reach out to me.

1785
02:16:25,930 --> 02:16:27,390
I'm happy to be available.

1786
02:16:28,110 --> 02:16:29,650
Thank you very much.

1787
02:16:30,690 --> 02:16:31,410
Thank you, Mr. Furlong.

1788
02:16:31,770 --> 02:16:33,190
Council any questions, Mr. Furlong?

1789
02:16:33,710 --> 02:16:34,350
Council member Loman.

1790
02:16:35,250 --> 02:16:36,210
Just a real quick one.

1791
02:16:36,350 --> 02:16:47,790
You had mentioned with regards to your financing and how many you placed on that particular couple of parcels there.

1792
02:16:47,790 --> 02:16:53,210
could you talk a little bit more about that in terms of you know why nine is the number and you can't do

1793
02:16:53,210 --> 02:17:00,110
eight or four and oh that's a question that just typically been raised what it would take to kind of

1794
02:17:00,110 --> 02:17:05,230
and again I don't I'm not trying to you know be a developer up here but just want to ask that

1795
02:17:05,230 --> 02:17:09,610
question so that I understand that and so that the public has the better understanding of what that means.

1796
02:17:10,550 --> 02:17:15,750
Councilmember Loman, Councilmember Mr. Mayor, excellent question. Be happy to take

1797
02:17:15,750 --> 02:17:20,430
anyone who would like to through a pro-forma and show you what it costs.

1798
02:17:20,890 --> 02:17:24,470
This site seems relatively simple. You look at the site plan. It's a single drive. It's

1799
02:17:24,470 --> 02:17:30,050
nine lots. There's a cul-de-sac at the end. What should it take? Maybe a bulldozer? A few hours.

1800
02:17:30,290 --> 02:17:36,390
The car of this thing out. No, it's $400,000. Just to put the street curb gutter and pipes in.

1801
02:17:36,830 --> 02:17:43,930
And that's before a single house gets built. So that in itself is almost $50,000. And then

1802
02:17:43,930 --> 02:17:48,230
to acquire 93, I'm not buying that property at a discount,

1803
02:17:48,570 --> 02:17:52,290
I'm buying it at Market Value, and the cost that we already have

1804
02:17:52,290 --> 02:17:57,450
into the civil engineering, the planning, the serving, the planning,

1805
02:17:58,490 --> 02:18:04,870
the document creation, all those things, our costs are likely to be

1806
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:08,090
about 100,000 a lot or more.

1807
02:18:08,550 --> 02:18:13,150
And so if you take a lot away, now you have to increase the price

1808
02:18:13,150 --> 02:18:19,170
of each one of those additional lots to make up for that and so it's this is a risky business

1809
02:18:19,170 --> 02:18:24,810
and one of the first things one of the planners told me when I came into this building 15

1810
02:18:24,810 --> 02:18:30,290
years ago is I've seen many a very good developer go bankrupt and this business will be

1811
02:18:30,290 --> 02:18:36,330
careful what you're doing but I think the risk is worth taking because of our community we

1812
02:18:36,330 --> 02:18:41,610
desperately need more housing we need opportunity for people to build a house in our city and

1813
02:18:41,610 --> 02:18:47,330
Right now there are about one, I think it was about one opportunity for someone to buy a lot

1814
02:18:47,330 --> 02:18:48,470
and build a house themselves.

1815
02:18:50,130 --> 02:18:55,230
So I'd be happy to run through a poor form, although it's nine as a necessary number in order

1816
02:18:55,230 --> 02:18:57,570
to spread the horrors of the past out.

1817
02:18:58,550 --> 02:19:03,710
So we can keep our lot price as attainable as we possibly can.

1818
02:19:04,290 --> 02:19:07,750
Thank you for clarifying that in terms of the attainability and the affordability of the

1819
02:19:07,750 --> 02:19:09,470
Thank you.

1820
02:19:09,630 --> 02:19:11,490
And I might have missed it in your statements.

1821
02:19:11,950 --> 02:19:15,190
What is the expected list price for these homes?

1822
02:19:16,030 --> 02:19:23,470
Mr. Mayor, council members, as an excellent question, to want to do not have an exact precise answer for at this point.

1823
02:19:24,110 --> 02:19:31,650
I will say that there have been single family lots in Bloomington that I have been able to sell for under 120,000.

1824
02:19:31,650 --> 02:19:39,930
And so just simple ratios, if the cost of a lot is 20% of the overall build price,

1825
02:19:40,090 --> 02:19:46,190
the expectation is that you should be able to create a housing unit for if the, if the

1826
02:19:46,190 --> 02:19:53,170
lot is 120,000 a housing unit for under 600,000, which sounds expensive, but when you look at the

1827
02:19:53,170 --> 02:19:58,930
broader south metro, there isn't a new construction single family detached home for less than a

1828
02:19:58,930 --> 02:20:01,410
million until you get down to like new market.

1829
02:20:03,050 --> 02:20:07,490
So for someone acquiring one of these lots to build a house for themselves, they eliminate

1830
02:20:07,490 --> 02:20:13,530
the builders' risk, the builders' profit margin, the builders' carrying costs, and you

1831
02:20:13,530 --> 02:20:18,150
might be able to create a new housing unit here for 400,000 if you did it, right, potentially.

1832
02:20:19,970 --> 02:20:23,970
So just to be clear here, so you won't be building and developing the homes, you'll be selling

1833
02:20:23,970 --> 02:20:24,490
the lots.

1834
02:20:24,510 --> 02:20:25,190
Is that correct?

1835
02:20:25,770 --> 02:20:27,350
Mr. Mayor, councilmember, is that correct?

1836
02:20:28,430 --> 02:20:28,770
Very good.

1837
02:20:28,770 --> 02:20:33,770
I, when I heard development, town home development, I thought perhaps you would be constructing

1838
02:20:33,770 --> 02:20:34,490
and then selling.

1839
02:20:36,010 --> 02:20:41,830
But even though it's, you're not building the style of home, the look of the home, it has

1840
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:45,050
to meet the standards of what you prescribe, is that correct?

1841
02:20:45,950 --> 02:20:47,530
Mr. Mayor, council members, that is correct.

1842
02:20:47,570 --> 02:20:52,490
It would have to meet anything that's within the association bylaws for requirements,

1843
02:20:53,310 --> 02:20:54,930
which are intent to secate minimal.

1844
02:20:55,750 --> 02:20:59,050
and secondarily it has to mean all city code and all state building code and course

1845
02:20:59,050 --> 02:21:02,850
arguments. Okay, thank you. Other questions council?

1846
02:21:05,710 --> 02:21:07,230
Why don't we, we'll save the

1847
02:21:07,230 --> 02:21:09,590
comments what we'll get to that eventually. Let's get through the questions in the

1848
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:13,590
public hearing and then we'll make some comments about that. Any other additional

1849
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:18,830
questions or questions of Ms. Odae on this one? I have a quick question. Yeah, I

1850
02:21:18,830 --> 02:21:24,630
can't remember. Curt. Yeah, so I guess at least in my time on council, I don't

1851
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:30,830
we've had a proposal like this, brought forward, and how common is it to, you know, just

1852
02:21:30,830 --> 02:21:35,910
like have lots that people buy and then they kind of build their own town homes within

1853
02:21:35,910 --> 02:21:44,390
kind of the constraints of the HOA and obviously city regulations and state regulations and then

1854
02:21:44,390 --> 02:21:48,710
have an HOA. Like I guess I'm just kind of, I'm wondering how typical this model is.

1855
02:21:50,390 --> 02:21:53,530
And not saying I'm not supportive of it, if we move it forward, but I just am curious.

1856
02:21:53,530 --> 02:21:59,770
It's for a lot, Council Member Carter, Council Member Mr. Mayor, it's not that common.

1857
02:22:00,670 --> 02:22:08,070
Typically in cities where we have a lot of single-family developments like what we had in Lakeville

1858
02:22:09,930 --> 02:22:16,050
and other South Metro communities, a developer would create a subdivision and then sell a

1859
02:22:16,050 --> 02:22:17,550
block of those locks to builders.

1860
02:22:18,210 --> 02:22:23,470
and that could be the case here. I would certainly entertain builders wanting to acquire

1861
02:22:23,470 --> 02:22:28,590
two, three, four of these lots and maybe build a speck home and then offer the others.

1862
02:22:29,370 --> 02:22:29,970
That's common.

1863
02:22:30,530 --> 02:22:45,410
So, a builder might own four lots, build one spec home, model home, and then allow the home owners to come in and acquire the other three lots and have that builder build a house for them.

1864
02:22:45,730 --> 02:22:56,950
So, this isn't that far removed from that type of process, where a homeowner to be would purchase a lot from us, contract with a builder of their choice and have the home build.

1865
02:22:58,310 --> 02:22:59,970
Okay, thank you.

1866
02:23:00,730 --> 02:23:06,010
I have one other question and this might be from a so day, but if we were to make this

1867
02:23:06,010 --> 02:23:13,370
zoning change, and let's just say worst case scenario, there's not a lot of interest

1868
02:23:13,370 --> 02:23:19,170
in building on the different lots and maybe Steve decides, you know what I want to put up

1869
02:23:19,170 --> 02:23:21,650
just like a one big house or a couple, like whatever.

1870
02:23:22,530 --> 02:23:26,830
But would that be allowed to be a minimum amount of units that have to be created once

1871
02:23:26,830 --> 02:23:28,850
to make the change, or is it just a maximum?

1872
02:23:29,130 --> 02:23:29,670
I can't remember.

1873
02:23:37,640 --> 02:23:41,560
Thank you, Mayor, the minimum amount of units is zero,

1874
02:23:42,220 --> 02:23:45,740
but the maximum, what do you say is five?

1875
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:48,000
Sorry, different.

1876
02:23:48,120 --> 02:23:51,620
I think it was, yeah, and I was more curious about the minimum.

1877
02:23:51,940 --> 02:23:53,260
I didn't think we had a minimum,

1878
02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:56,080
so if it sat empty, if it was just sat empty for a while,

1879
02:23:56,320 --> 02:23:57,820
let's, it is what it is, right?

1880
02:23:59,300 --> 02:24:00,760
Yeah, Mayor, council members.

1881
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:02,840
So our three doesn't have a minimum.

1882
02:24:03,400 --> 02:24:07,920
The conference of plan has a minimum of five units to the acre, and that's the guidance today.

1883
02:24:08,440 --> 02:24:15,060
So any subsequent entitlements or zoning actions, we would be evaluating it in terms of its consistency with the comp plan.

1884
02:24:15,380 --> 02:24:20,320
So that could present a wrinkle in terms of, you know, what are minimum expectations are for unit creation in that.

1885
02:24:20,340 --> 02:24:24,440
They'd have to go through back through an entitlement process with the preliminary and final plan.

1886
02:24:25,060 --> 02:24:27,800
You certainly have to move those lot boundaries if the plan was recorded.

1887
02:24:28,620 --> 02:24:31,680
So we'd basically be going back to the drawing board, I would say.

1888
02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:35,940
Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. I don't have any more questions. Thank you.

1889
02:24:35,960 --> 02:24:38,380
Thank you. You can't remember. Councilmember Lomen.

1890
02:24:39,880 --> 02:24:49,600
I know this will probably have other parts in here, but I just had a question in terms of the discretion that we have with regards to these four motions that are here.

1891
02:24:49,660 --> 02:24:56,960
I just want to be sure that as we're kind of working our way down this, I see I see a plating on here and I'm just a little bit nervous about

1892
02:24:58,200 --> 02:25:06,560
And what which one fits with that just want to make sure I'm clear in terms of what we need to be concerned about as we work our way down through this.

1893
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:08,380
We are.

1894
02:25:09,860 --> 02:25:10,800
Staff is checking on that one.

1895
02:25:11,340 --> 02:25:15,160
One we want to keep this moving along and we can double back to it if we could.

1896
02:25:15,240 --> 02:25:15,900
How about that?

1897
02:25:18,230 --> 02:25:22,990
I can take a crack at it if the city attorney wants to kind of affirm what I'll share with you.

1898
02:25:22,990 --> 02:25:27,690
But I didn't mean that like a bad way.

1899
02:25:28,330 --> 02:25:29,110
Sorry, oops.

1900
02:25:30,670 --> 02:25:33,130
The rezoning is a more discretionary action.

1901
02:25:33,270 --> 02:25:35,030
You're looking to the guidance of the comprehensive plan

1902
02:25:35,030 --> 02:25:37,150
and those things, the platt and the final site

1903
02:25:37,150 --> 02:25:38,790
and building plans is quasi-judicial.

1904
02:25:38,830 --> 02:25:40,890
That's where your subject to findings of fact

1905
02:25:40,890 --> 02:25:42,210
in the city code.

1906
02:25:44,290 --> 02:25:44,530
That's great.

1907
02:25:44,970 --> 02:25:47,850
And the fourth motion is just a resolution

1908
02:25:47,850 --> 02:25:50,410
of summary publication, which is at your discretion.

1909
02:25:50,410 --> 02:25:52,590
And I'm related to the rezoning action.

1910
02:25:54,110 --> 02:25:54,910
Thank you.

1911
02:25:57,260 --> 02:25:57,640
Thank you.

1912
02:25:59,700 --> 02:26:02,600
All right, Council, we ready to get into the public hearing here?

1913
02:26:03,060 --> 02:26:03,940
Let's do that.

1914
02:26:04,420 --> 02:26:07,380
We're going to open the public hearing at an 4.8 this evening.

1915
02:26:09,240 --> 02:26:12,560
This is a reminder that what I mentioned earlier stands here as well.

1916
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:14,240
You'll have an extra minute.

1917
02:26:14,940 --> 02:26:16,660
So you're up to three minutes for your comments,

1918
02:26:16,900 --> 02:26:18,200
but I will cut you off at three minutes.

1919
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:20,700
As you come up, please do state your name.

1920
02:26:21,180 --> 02:26:23,260
And then be sure, as you finish up,

1921
02:26:23,260 --> 02:26:27,900
If you could sign in, and I think our clipboard is up here somewhere, so you can find the clipboard and sign in.

1922
02:26:28,900 --> 02:26:35,780
We will hold all questions until we get to the end of the public hearing, and we'll try to answer the questions best we can, and everybody gets one bite of an apple.

1923
02:26:36,140 --> 02:26:36,900
So that's what we do.

1924
02:26:37,660 --> 02:26:40,740
So I will open the public hearing on item 4.8 this evening.

1925
02:26:41,080 --> 02:26:46,140
This is a public hearing regarding the James Avenue City Homes, the rezoning, the final sight and building plans,

1926
02:26:46,140 --> 02:26:49,920
planning and this these addresses are ninety twenty five and ninety thirty three

1927
02:26:49,920 --> 02:26:52,940
James Avenue. When the council chambers would like to speak tonight.

1928
02:26:59,890 --> 02:27:00,470
We are we are

1929
02:27:00,470 --> 02:27:01,290
plenty patient.

1930
02:27:16,920 --> 02:27:21,920
It's my bedtime. I am Kathy Jones and I have the pleasure of living

1931
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:27,260
next door to where Mr. Furlong wants to do this project. So I would like to start with

1932
02:27:27,260 --> 02:27:32,700
do we have to change it to our three? Is there a reason it can't stay our one and still

1933
02:27:32,700 --> 02:27:41,140
meet some of the middle housing hole that Bloomington has in its system, because my understanding

1934
02:27:41,140 --> 02:27:46,280
is our one keeps us too little smaller profile home, which is the conceptual design that

1935
02:27:46,980 --> 02:27:53,480
he's proposing, excuse me, and would maybe let grass grow in my backyard instead of having

1936
02:27:53,480 --> 02:27:56,300
mini mansions over towering my yard.

1937
02:27:56,300 --> 02:28:04,240
My other concern that I have, Steve, if it's too expensive, don't buy 93, just build the

1938
02:28:04,240 --> 02:28:10,260
half that you already own, and keep that cost off your books for having to come up with

1939
02:28:10,260 --> 02:28:10,800
more money.

1940
02:28:11,540 --> 02:28:18,700
I believe there are little math that they have for 85 cars, or 66 additional cars coming in

1941
02:28:18,700 --> 02:28:19,700
and not a James Avenue.

1942
02:28:20,100 --> 02:28:24,840
That's all great if they think they're just going to go 300 feet to 9.5, but you'd

1943
02:28:24,840 --> 02:28:29,860
surprised how many people cut through our little 12-block neighborhood and go out on 91 and

1944
02:28:29,860 --> 02:28:36,540
a half street because you can't get out on 90th. So it makes a huge difference not being able

1945
02:28:36,540 --> 02:28:41,580
to just shoot down the street and turn. You have to go through the neighborhood and it's very,

1946
02:28:41,580 --> 02:28:49,920
very annoying for the other people who live there. The other thing that I'd like to add are we going

1947
02:28:49,920 --> 02:28:54,580
to end up with an empty lot of sounds like there's a chance we might, if the lots don't sell,

1948
02:28:55,000 --> 02:29:01,900
It'll sit like 86th in pen, which has been in limbo since 2019, and I guess I'd be okay with that

1949
02:29:01,900 --> 02:29:05,980
Because then I don't have to worry about having many mansions next door to me. Right now

1950
02:29:05,980 --> 02:29:11,080
I've got an empty lot that's been next to me for four years and I've learned to adjust to that being empty

1951
02:29:11,080 --> 02:29:19,960
So I think that's a big avenue and of course, you know, you sit and you write down all this stuff and you think you got a good notes, and then it's like

1952
02:29:21,160 --> 02:29:27,280
but you know it's it's just really challenging because it's going to take the population on my half of the block

1953
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:35,360
it's going to increase by 140% by putting in nine homes on that one acre there's only going to be five homes on one side

1954
02:29:35,360 --> 02:29:42,960
and we're going to take it up by 140% and I don't think it's only going to be 66 trips up and down James per home

1955
02:29:42,960 --> 02:29:46,060
I think it's going to be a lot more than that so

1956
02:29:46,060 --> 02:29:50,120
Only get one bite of an apple and I got 30 seconds to go. What else do I want to see?

1957
02:29:51,960 --> 02:29:55,680
I'm just very concerned. I want to make sure that Steve gets to

1958
02:29:56,980 --> 02:29:59,980
celebrate being a bloomington resident and do what he can for the sake.

1959
02:30:04,300 --> 02:30:14,040
So I would love to see him develop 9025, put a couple of homes on 9025, leave 9033 alone. Keeps his cost low. Let's

1960
02:30:14,040 --> 02:30:19,000
everyone still get a little bit of something and I also want to take a few seconds and say thank you,

1961
02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:21,020
She, um, I sent her an email.

1962
02:30:21,220 --> 02:30:24,940
We asked her to come and she worked on Habitat for Humanity One Day.

1963
02:30:24,980 --> 02:30:29,120
Came over to my home and met with a handful of neighbors and answered a few questions.

1964
02:30:29,780 --> 02:30:31,880
And then she even responded back to an email.

1965
02:30:32,020 --> 02:30:34,620
So she's been very supportive and I appreciate all that.

1966
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:38,300
Now if we can just tell me why we just stay our one.

1967
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:40,120
Our time is up, but thank you very much.

1968
02:30:40,300 --> 02:30:41,160
So that's my question.

1969
02:30:41,160 --> 02:30:42,560
That's a question before I go home.

1970
02:30:42,700 --> 02:30:43,340
We got that.

1971
02:30:43,360 --> 02:30:43,980
All right. Thank you.

1972
02:30:43,980 --> 02:30:45,280
Thank you.

1973
02:30:45,380 --> 02:30:46,280
And I'll sign in.

1974
02:30:46,460 --> 02:30:46,700
Please.

1975
02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:47,340
Yeah.

1976
02:30:48,460 --> 02:30:48,880
I'm slow.

1977
02:30:52,430 --> 02:30:55,070
I'm up here alone.

1978
02:30:56,870 --> 02:30:58,050
Hi, my name is Louin.

1979
02:30:59,690 --> 02:31:00,210
Louin, thank you.

1980
02:31:00,830 --> 02:31:00,930
Thank you.

1981
02:31:01,270 --> 02:31:02,750
Thank you.

1982
02:31:02,770 --> 02:31:20,410
I would like to address the traffic analysis that James Avenue has sufficient capacity to accommodate the additional trips and no significant impacts to the Jason traffic patterns.

1983
02:31:20,410 --> 02:31:27,630
I feel that we've addressed the concerns on the August 20 meeting and the amount of current

1984
02:31:27,630 --> 02:31:33,850
traffic flow in 90th Street, James, since 92nd have additional 80 approximately 85 more

1985
02:31:33,850 --> 02:31:34,290
trips.

1986
02:31:34,910 --> 02:31:41,630
So on the meeting, Julie had said that they use the generation manual calculator, which

1987
02:31:41,630 --> 02:31:44,270
averages 90 average trips a day.

1988
02:31:44,270 --> 02:31:50,030
I use the calculator for James' total traffic with proposed town homes.

1989
02:31:50,410 --> 02:31:58,330
There are 17 homes, 17 signs, 9 is 153 trips, 85 daily trips per proposed development,

1990
02:31:59,190 --> 02:32:02,210
making it 238 daily trips.

1991
02:32:02,490 --> 02:32:04,990
This is just the people that live on James.

1992
02:32:05,410 --> 02:32:08,250
That does not include Amazon FedEx, food delivery,

1993
02:32:08,250 --> 02:32:13,430
of us at garbage recycling yard waste trucks mailed delivery daycare's group homes.

1994
02:32:14,010 --> 02:32:19,730
James is a two-block street, start set 90 a street, which is the entrance and exit

1995
02:32:19,730 --> 02:32:24,630
for James, because James ends at 90 second.

1996
02:32:25,070 --> 02:32:32,410
How could a two-block street have sufficient capacity to handle approximately 238 daily trips

1997
02:32:32,410 --> 02:32:43,450
Just the people that live on it plus the added other traffic that I just mentioned and have no significant impacts to the Jason traffic on 90's

1998
02:32:43,450 --> 02:32:52,050
90's street is the entrance 90's is a feeder to the 35 W during different times and backs up and blocks off James

1999
02:32:52,050 --> 02:32:59,710
Because it's close to the freeway getting across all four lanes can be a real challenge to stop lights at 35 W

2000
02:32:59,710 --> 02:33:04,950
backs up front of James and light goes to get go forward.

2001
02:33:05,990 --> 02:33:11,930
On West Nineties and East of Pan Avenue, very close to our neighborhood, there is 30

2002
02:33:11,930 --> 02:33:17,690
Penn Village town homes and one apartment building and the only entrance is out

2003
02:33:17,690 --> 02:33:21,930
on to Nineties Street. All that traffic goes up and down Nineties Street, past

2004
02:33:21,930 --> 02:33:27,670
James and past our area. So a little boundaries of our neighborhood east to

2005
02:33:27,670 --> 02:33:36,530
It's one 91st and a half street, two James, and 90th street to 92nd street is 2 blocks.

2006
02:33:37,970 --> 02:33:43,950
92nd is a tea street that runs along Oliver Newton, Morgan Logan, Knox, and James,

2007
02:33:44,350 --> 02:33:48,630
and it feeds out to 91st and a half street, which goes out to Penn.

2008
02:33:49,290 --> 02:33:52,190
There's four entrances into our little neighborhood,

2009
02:33:52,190 --> 02:33:57,570
east side, no entrance, south side, no entrance, west side,

2010
02:33:57,690 --> 02:34:01,430
90 first and a half street, only one entrance on to Penn.

2011
02:34:01,790 --> 02:34:03,830
This McGill, your time is up, I'm sorry.

2012
02:34:04,870 --> 02:34:06,490
It goes fast, doesn't it? I know, I'm sorry.

2013
02:34:13,370 --> 02:34:13,570
Others,

2014
02:34:16,540 --> 02:34:17,500
don't forget to sign in, please.

2015
02:34:21,190 --> 02:34:22,790
Hi, my name is Jan Miller.

2016
02:34:22,930 --> 02:34:26,650
I live across the street from the possible development.

2017
02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:32,370
I agree with the two previous people about the traffic,

2018
02:34:32,370 --> 02:34:40,930
especially. And also the need for rezoning, I don't see the need to change it from the R1,

2019
02:34:41,070 --> 02:34:47,530
where he can develop that vacant lot. I would also like to keep the home that is there at

2020
02:34:47,530 --> 02:34:55,510
93-3. It's always well maintained. The people have lived there for a number of years and have

2021
02:34:55,510 --> 02:35:05,190
bit well into the neighborhood. The R1, with my understanding, the difference is like the

2022
02:35:05,190 --> 02:35:14,670
setbacks and I think R1 is more compatible to the current neighborhood. We're not, our

2023
02:35:14,670 --> 02:35:21,710
homes are not right on the street. We all have pretty decent front yards. If you have an R3

2024
02:35:21,710 --> 02:35:26,610
And you're able to build closer to the street.

2025
02:35:27,830 --> 02:35:30,650
It just is not compatible with the neighborhood.

2026
02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:37,670
And I think that many homes that number is far too many

2027
02:35:37,670 --> 02:35:39,410
for our small neighborhood.

2028
02:35:39,910 --> 02:35:45,250
So I do not see a need to rezone the building on what

2029
02:35:45,250 --> 02:35:48,130
he can and wants on the vacant lot.

2030
02:35:48,130 --> 02:35:55,450
I would prefer that he keeps the other home there, and I guess that's it.

2031
02:35:56,410 --> 02:35:56,950
Thank you Ms. Miller.

2032
02:36:11,360 --> 02:36:13,800
Dan Belligan could be talking to you.

2033
02:36:13,800 --> 02:36:16,560
This is the issue that that concerns me the most.

2034
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:19,460
We have a property on 91.99.

2035
02:36:20,480 --> 02:36:26,500
And when people talk about traffic and winding through and you can't get out on 90th

2036
02:36:26,500 --> 02:36:35,940
during rush hours, so you can just see the people that will be coming up and down the street and again it's a natural.

2037
02:36:36,120 --> 02:36:42,320
I mean, most of our lots, the way neighborhoods are currently constructed are a quarter of an acre.

2038
02:36:42,960 --> 02:36:52,340
So even if you said, you know, for, you know, the offsets to the street, it wouldn't fit in.

2039
02:36:52,340 --> 02:36:58,580
I wasn't quite sure on some of the numbers that were given to us that the low number was

2040
02:36:58,580 --> 02:36:59,940
400,000 producing.

2041
02:37:00,560 --> 02:37:00,900
Mr. Bell?

2042
02:37:00,900 --> 02:37:02,240
I don't think if you could address that.

2043
02:37:02,900 --> 02:37:10,580
Lower cost was 400,000 up to 500,000, and we're calling it affordable housing.

2044
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:16,620
I'm telling you, if you do the mortgage payment on something like that, you're not going

2045
02:37:16,620 --> 02:37:20,500
to be living in a 400,000 dollar house.

2046
02:37:20,500 --> 02:37:26,680
You're going to be able barely be able to afford rent, you know?

2047
02:37:27,480 --> 02:37:29,980
I mean, a payment when you figure the asset.

2048
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:40,920
As tax value and all the other costs, I don't see how that's solving much of a problem anyways. And to change the whole makeup of the neighborhood, change the traffic pattern.

2049
02:37:41,820 --> 02:37:57,740
I sure wouldn't want that next door to me like this for a woman's having. And there's this new, there's this twin home that was built on 9-Death. And I know there's rules and regulations about how many cards you can have in the driveway.

2050
02:37:57,740 --> 02:38:04,500
but I swear I don't there's at least five or six it's right across from the new

2051
02:38:04,500 --> 02:38:10,540
bike park there's five cars in that driveway or more on a pretty regular basis

2052
02:38:10,540 --> 02:38:16,220
plus two in the garage and the next one and I can just imagine that I did

2053
02:38:16,220 --> 02:38:21,280
here they were single family I mean single single family but I don't know if

2054
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:26,920
they're single room multiple room I don't know how big these houses are

2055
02:38:26,920 --> 02:38:32,960
planning to be with square footage and you know they are and the design is a little bit

2056
02:38:32,960 --> 02:38:40,360
uncertain so to me the only way you could do is go up and you have to bait for the storm

2057
02:38:40,360 --> 02:38:44,660
and all that other stuff that adds a tremendous amount of cost is just a natural to the

2058
02:38:44,660 --> 02:38:53,010
whole neighborhood and I would just like to echo the fact that switching it from R1 to R3 just

2059
02:38:53,010 --> 02:39:01,150
seems over the top, and I understand the goal of trying to provide affordable, livable housing

2060
02:39:01,150 --> 02:39:07,890
for the middle class, but I don't see this providing that solution either when you do

2061
02:39:07,890 --> 02:39:13,110
the numbers on a mortgage on a $400,000 house with taxes insurance and everything that goes

2062
02:39:13,110 --> 02:39:14,250
along with it.

2063
02:39:15,050 --> 02:39:16,450
Thank you, much.

2064
02:39:18,440 --> 02:39:20,080
I'll sign it again.

2065
02:39:25,700 --> 02:39:27,000
Others wishing to speak tonight.

2066
02:39:41,660 --> 02:39:42,260
What do you think?

2067
02:39:42,760 --> 02:39:43,140
Good evening.

2068
02:39:44,220 --> 02:39:45,620
My name is Scott Thereves.

2069
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:47,820
I live on 90th Street.

2070
02:39:48,440 --> 02:39:51,940
My backyard walks up to the journey in property.

2071
02:39:53,420 --> 02:39:54,160
I've been in resident.

2072
02:39:57,140 --> 02:39:59,920
I've lived in that home 47 years.

2073
02:40:01,220 --> 02:40:03,800
I'm not sure if you people understand,

2074
02:40:03,800 --> 02:40:27,820
But what the plan shows is that the first house on the property will be 40 feet in front of Kathy's house, and it'll be built 10 feet away from Kathy's property line and vice versa on the other side.

2075
02:40:27,820 --> 02:40:36,900
Um, I can't believe anyone would ever want someone to have a house that I close to.

2076
02:40:37,740 --> 02:40:43,720
Um, we're, we're not in Minneapolis where people are squeezed in and we're, that's

2077
02:40:43,720 --> 02:40:45,080
why we bought in the suburbs.

2078
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:47,180
I

2079
02:40:51,180 --> 02:41:04,400
also did watch the development on 80, 6th Street or whatever it was and that you all voted

2080
02:41:04,400 --> 02:41:11,060
for it, so I'm very concerned that this is going to happen.

2081
02:41:12,780 --> 02:41:28,280
I do want to know if is there a privacy fancy need it to be put if this happens between

2082
02:41:28,280 --> 02:41:40,560
R1 and R3 development and if so why not I mean if you don't have it why not and if so

2083
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:47,980
I would think the developer would be in charge of putting up the fence because he's asking for the

2084
02:41:47,980 --> 02:42:02,700
rezoning. And then I guess we found out about the possible management plan and so and then

2085
02:42:02,700 --> 02:42:06,940
according to some of the literature that was sent out in the packet,

2086
02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:23,360
So we need to be sure that the deliveries and stop are done between the hours of 7 and 10 and

2087
02:42:23,360 --> 02:42:30,060
no construction parking on the street is part of what it said on the stipulations.

2088
02:42:30,860 --> 02:42:37,600
So I don't know how it's some of it said in that packet said, all construction and post construction

2089
02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:45,320
park in and storage of equipment and materials must be on site use of public streets and private

2090
02:42:45,320 --> 02:42:50,240
construction park in which there's your time is up. I'm sorry. Thank you.

2091
02:43:03,310 --> 02:43:10,690
My name is Sue Winchester. Going up what he said. They're saying anyone who buys a lot can

2092
02:43:10,690 --> 02:43:19,690
build take their own builder. That could be nine different builders. We don't know how many are

2093
02:43:20,230 --> 02:43:25,690
And there's going to be no room to move in there unless they there's poor houses built.

2094
02:43:26,130 --> 02:43:30,430
Where are these construction vehicles going to park but on the street?

2095
02:43:31,230 --> 02:43:34,390
And all the people that have to come there to work, they're going to be parking on the street.

2096
02:43:35,130 --> 02:43:40,750
When people move in, they're going to have company, they're going to have parties, somebody might be running a daycare.

2097
02:43:41,370 --> 02:43:44,790
That's all extra traffic, all extra people coming into our neighborhood.

2098
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:53,070
right now we have 128 homes of their neighborhood, not counting the nine times nine trips that was

2099
02:43:53,070 --> 02:44:04,230
1,152 trips a day just in our neighborhood. They're talking also about one bedroom house. Nobody's

2100
02:44:04,230 --> 02:44:12,390
going to buy a one bedroom 750 foot house for $400,000 with no yard. It's going to be two story

2101
02:44:12,390 --> 02:44:22,150
houses, they can build up to 50 feet they sat last time, which is more people are going

2102
02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:28,030
to be there, more cars, people visiting, it's just going to be a mess for the whole

2103
02:44:28,030 --> 02:44:32,350
neighborhood. Would you want to sit in your neighborhood? Would you want this across the

2104
02:44:32,350 --> 02:44:37,790
street or next door to you? No, why build it right in someone's neighborhood? In the middle

2105
02:44:37,790 --> 02:44:44,390
neighborhood. Most of us have been there for 40, 50, 60 years. And you're driving people out of

2106
02:44:44,390 --> 02:44:50,970
Bloomington. People are talking about selling in their homes because of what's going on. And I

2107
02:44:50,970 --> 02:44:52,470
think it's totally ridiculous.

2108
02:44:57,350 --> 02:44:58,130
Thank you Ms. Winchester.

2109
02:45:02,140 --> 02:45:05,420
No, you cannot. Doesn't work that way, sorry.

2110
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:10,900
Anyone else?

2111
02:45:17,840 --> 02:45:20,300
Mr. Hall, it's going for a new indoor record, I think tonight.

2112
02:45:22,940 --> 02:45:28,220
So here are a lot of good points, and I don't want to invalid anyone's point. I just want to offer a couple of suggestions.

2113
02:45:28,220 --> 02:45:28,920
So,

2114
02:45:31,320 --> 02:45:36,380
I don't know what's talking about the major structural differences between the different types of zoning,

2115
02:45:37,020 --> 02:45:44,760
but what I do remember asking the plane division about how this could potentially work as a general concept.

2116
02:45:45,780 --> 02:45:50,440
My ideas were stemming from eco villages such as Kalash in Portland and there's another,

2117
02:45:51,180 --> 02:45:55,540
I can't remember the one in Arizona, but the one in Arizona is actually really important because

2118
02:45:55,540 --> 02:45:57,420
I took a, like, while everyone was speaking,

2119
02:45:57,880 --> 02:45:59,480
I took a really quick look at Google Maps

2120
02:45:59,480 --> 02:46:03,280
and there is a seek center, literally right behind the lot.

2121
02:46:04,400 --> 02:46:08,380
And we keep running into time to come with this community center

2122
02:46:08,380 --> 02:46:10,140
or any other structure that we're building.

2123
02:46:10,520 --> 02:46:13,080
We keep running into the problem of parking minimums.

2124
02:46:13,100 --> 02:46:14,220
And I know this is saying that building commission

2125
02:46:14,220 --> 02:46:15,580
is currently working on that.

2126
02:46:15,780 --> 02:46:17,440
In fact, there's a whole bunch of stuff

2127
02:46:17,440 --> 02:46:19,480
that I would love, after this meeting,

2128
02:46:19,640 --> 02:46:21,280
I'd love to talk to you about this stand building commission

2129
02:46:21,280 --> 02:46:22,120
because there's a ton of people

2130
02:46:22,120 --> 02:46:25,300
of wealth of knowledge to help make the buildings more

2131
02:46:25,300 --> 02:46:28,000
sustainable and more affordable affordable.

2132
02:46:29,400 --> 02:46:32,040
There's a concept called the street car suburb.

2133
02:46:32,320 --> 02:46:35,620
I believe I heard and when the presentation was going on

2134
02:46:35,620 --> 02:46:37,280
that there's a sidewalk being built

2135
02:46:37,960 --> 02:46:40,260
because I looked at the map, James,

2136
02:46:40,460 --> 02:46:42,880
or I think it's sorry, James Rojo, James Avenue,

2137
02:46:43,880 --> 02:46:46,180
goes directly to City Hall right here.

2138
02:46:46,420 --> 02:46:48,500
And from here, there's buses.

2139
02:46:48,840 --> 02:46:53,520
So that means that there is access via again,

2140
02:46:53,520 --> 02:46:59,520
another protected bike lane. Going down James Road, sorry, Avenue, I can't believe I'm messing

2141
02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:06,800
up the Holy Street names. Another protected bike lane. Get ourselves off of this continuous

2142
02:47:06,800 --> 02:47:14,860
cycle of continuously forcing more cars in and becoming more and more problematic while solving

2143
02:47:14,860 --> 02:47:20,280
all these other issues of the middle housing and respecting people who already live here.

2144
02:47:20,280 --> 02:47:23,540
I'm from Richfield. I've already gone through all this. I can tell you that there's definitely

2145
02:47:23,540 --> 02:47:27,720
a wrong way of doing it and a right way of doing it. I've seen both happen repeatedly

2146
02:47:28,920 --> 02:47:36,120
and middle housing in general is not the enemy. It's just how it's done. Washington, DC,

2147
02:47:36,320 --> 02:47:40,500
also has the most green risk-based adoption in the country because of the stormwater policies

2148
02:47:41,980 --> 02:47:45,760
and this also this whole thing of ripping up the curb and all this other stuff that was talking

2149
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:49,640
about the stormwater goes right back into the ordinance

2150
02:47:49,640 --> 02:47:51,000
that I was talking about essentially

2151
02:47:51,000 --> 02:47:53,360
of the question of what does restoration mean.

2152
02:47:54,480 --> 02:47:56,740
And if we build an eco village,

2153
02:48:00,100 --> 02:48:01,120
use better materials.

2154
02:48:01,780 --> 02:48:03,140
I personally didn't like the architecture.

2155
02:48:04,280 --> 02:48:05,940
I believe it's probably something kind of like it

2156
02:48:05,940 --> 02:48:08,320
extends from the suburbs of Lakeville,

2157
02:48:08,400 --> 02:48:10,000
rather than the street car suburb,

2158
02:48:10,460 --> 02:48:15,400
which I find much more appealing and easier to do

2159
02:48:15,400 --> 02:48:21,120
Eco village style stuff where you wind up with more food. Oh, I'm not taking it running a time anyway

2160
02:48:22,380 --> 02:48:24,260
That's it. Thank you, Mr. Hallett.

2161
02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:30,120
Anyone else

2162
02:48:33,290 --> 02:48:33,750
is right?

2163
02:48:33,810 --> 02:48:38,430
We have anyone on the phone wishing to speak to this topic. Where we did not have anyone online

2164
02:48:39,470 --> 02:48:41,150
Last call for anybody in the chambers

2165
02:48:43,590 --> 02:48:49,590
Council no one coming forward no one on the phone. I'd look for a motion to close the public hearing and I know 4.8 to see so moved

2166
02:48:50,250 --> 02:48:55,770
Motion by Councilmember Lomann Second by Councilmember Robertson to close the public hearing and I know of item 4.8.

2167
02:48:56,030 --> 02:48:59,030
No further council discussion on this? Ms. Wright.

2168
02:48:59,890 --> 02:48:59,930
Carter.

2169
02:49:01,150 --> 02:49:02,230
I'm Dallas, Andrew.

2170
02:49:03,350 --> 02:49:03,750
Rivas.

2171
02:49:04,430 --> 02:49:04,730
Nelson.

2172
02:49:05,510 --> 02:49:05,770
Lomann.

2173
02:49:06,450 --> 02:49:06,830
Robert.

2174
02:49:07,150 --> 02:49:07,410
Hi.

2175
02:49:08,210 --> 02:49:10,790
Motion carries a seven zero closing the public hearing.

2176
02:49:12,610 --> 02:49:14,530
If we could answer a couple of questions, I think about that.

2177
02:49:14,530 --> 02:49:21,330
we're brought up. And I'll just pick them off here. The Ms. Jones asked, is there a need to

2178
02:49:21,330 --> 02:49:25,550
resume to R3 or is it somehow doable in R1?

2179
02:49:27,650 --> 02:49:29,670
Ms. McHale talked about a traffic analysis

2180
02:49:29,670 --> 02:49:34,130
and a calculator. Is there actually a calculator out there? Somewhere that you can access

2181
02:49:34,130 --> 02:49:38,430
really. I didn't know that. That would be interesting. And the trip numbers differed from

2182
02:49:38,430 --> 02:49:44,510
the trip numbers that we had been talking about. Privacy fences between R1 and R1 and

2183
02:49:44,510 --> 02:49:50,030
are three. I think there were questions about construction management plan. Other questions

2184
02:49:50,030 --> 02:49:54,690
that we had heard, who wants to tackle some of these. I know you were writing them down

2185
02:49:54,690 --> 02:49:55,150
as well.

2186
02:49:55,350 --> 02:50:02,030
I will start Mayor and Council. So the main difference between R1 and R3 are the setbacks.

2187
02:50:02,150 --> 02:50:10,690
So the minimum setback in R1 is 30 feet for a dwelling. R3 is 20. So if this were to be kept

2188
02:50:10,690 --> 02:50:16,230
as R1, I imagine one or two lots would be eliminated due to the increase

2189
02:50:16,230 --> 02:50:25,550
setback in R1. As far as Fencing goes, it's not identified on the plans. I know that

2190
02:50:25,550 --> 02:50:29,730
Steve may be addressed at Planning Commission that it's potentially an option. I defer

2191
02:50:29,730 --> 02:50:37,470
to him to speak to the Fencing. I heard traffic. I defer to Kirk Roberts. Robert,

2192
02:50:37,470 --> 02:50:38,950
Let's do a little bit of pull-up to find.

2193
02:50:39,970 --> 02:50:40,590
Yeah, okay.

2194
02:50:44,030 --> 02:50:47,230
Mr. Roberts, there's a lot of questions about traffic.

2195
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:49,570
The actual number of cars there,

2196
02:50:49,890 --> 02:50:56,290
what the capacity might be, backups on 90th and diverting traffic

2197
02:50:57,370 --> 02:50:57,850
through.

2198
02:50:58,130 --> 02:50:59,830
Mr. Mayor, council members, yeah, there were.

2199
02:51:00,170 --> 02:51:02,650
And so let me run through these with you.

2200
02:51:02,670 --> 02:51:04,450
You know, be brief about it.

2201
02:51:05,050 --> 02:51:07,490
In terms of the traffic calculator, that is me.

2202
02:51:07,510 --> 02:51:08,590
I am the traffic calculator.

2203
02:51:08,590 --> 02:51:09,110
They're all the way.

2204
02:51:09,270 --> 02:51:14,510
I will say, this is Mick Hale's traffic calculation for pretty good, and I really appreciate

2205
02:51:14,510 --> 02:51:14,910
that.

2206
02:51:14,910 --> 02:51:19,030
Anyone that's willing to calculate traffic in his, I have a connection with.

2207
02:51:20,510 --> 02:51:24,570
One of the first things I want to touch on is the residents didn't see road tubes out here.

2208
02:51:25,070 --> 02:51:26,610
We rely less and less on road tubes.

2209
02:51:26,690 --> 02:51:32,490
We actually have data providers that we can get this data from using like GPS devices and

2210
02:51:32,490 --> 02:51:33,150
things like that.

2211
02:51:33,170 --> 02:51:36,290
So we do have traffic volumes for the local roadways here.

2212
02:51:36,290 --> 02:51:43,330
James Avenue, which is the hot topic tonight, has about 200 cars a day, all of the roads

2213
02:51:43,330 --> 02:51:50,990
in this area are about 300 cars per day or less. And in terms of context, that's a pretty quiet

2214
02:51:50,990 --> 02:51:56,770
local street. We don't even start thinking hard about streets until they're over 500 cars a day

2215
02:51:56,770 --> 02:52:04,570
for a local street. And those the volumes can range 800 or more. And in how that affects residents,

2216
02:52:07,050 --> 02:52:10,650
people's sensitivity to traffic varies, but generally if these little volumes, we don't

2217
02:52:10,650 --> 02:52:11,490
hear a lot of complaints.

2218
02:52:11,610 --> 02:52:13,530
We don't get a lot of requests for traffic calming.

2219
02:52:14,030 --> 02:52:17,810
It's not to say that there isn't somebody that makes everybody in the neighborhood really angry

2220
02:52:17,810 --> 02:52:19,150
because they drive faster.

2221
02:52:19,410 --> 02:52:21,410
That every neighborhood has somebody like that.

2222
02:52:21,690 --> 02:52:26,950
But in general, in these neighborhoods, the traffic is fairly quiet.

2223
02:52:27,690 --> 02:52:29,970
And so, moving up.

2224
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:41,140
In the volume numbers here, 90th Street, 12,400 cars a day, there is your approach, 35W. Penn Avenue is a lower volume, 800 vehicles per 8,000 vehicles per day on Penn Avenue.

2225
02:52:41,900 --> 02:52:54,940
You remember the 86th Street town homes? We were looking at that. That was about 5,000 cars a day. So this is a much higher volume situation. That's a three lane collector. And this is four lanes to handle that volume as you approach the freeway.

2226
02:52:55,580 --> 02:53:04,020
Now, the question, and one of the points we heard a lie is, James Avenue is difficult to

2227
02:53:04,020 --> 02:53:08,940
use sometimes in that peak hour, and I believe that the traffic approaching 35W, you

2228
02:53:08,940 --> 02:53:15,760
get those cues that build up. It is probably some residents already likely divert to other

2229
02:53:15,760 --> 02:53:19,840
roads, just depending on where their destination is by its time of day, in those morning

2230
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:23,440
and evening peak hours. That happens pretty much in every neighborhood.

2231
02:53:24,500 --> 02:53:29,720
as people sort of select based on their trip and where they feel comfortable going to.

2232
02:53:30,160 --> 02:53:34,100
And so this new development is going to generate about 66 new trips.

2233
02:53:35,240 --> 02:53:38,240
And what does that do? How does that affect neighborhood traffic?

2234
02:53:38,920 --> 02:53:40,840
Well, it's going on to James Avenue.

2235
02:53:41,660 --> 02:53:46,120
Most traffic in Bloomington wants to take the shortest route to the highest, the highest status road.

2236
02:53:46,300 --> 02:53:49,800
So in this case, that's going to be most traffic is going to want to get up to 90th Street.

2237
02:53:49,800 --> 02:53:59,100
If I were real serious about these numbers here, I would probably put two thirds of the traffic wants to go out to 90th and then another third is going to

2238
02:53:59,100 --> 02:54:05,080
I want to remove through the sort of weave through the neighborhood or to pin out a new use 90 first and a half street.

2239
02:54:06,680 --> 02:54:09,340
And what happens to traffic when they do that?

2240
02:54:10,120 --> 02:54:16,880
So, worst case, you add about 50 trips on James Avenue and you add another on some number of trips to 90 second street.

2241
02:54:16,880 --> 02:54:20,380
You are still looking at very low volume local streets

2242
02:54:20,380 --> 02:54:23,700
that look like the majority of streets in this city.

2243
02:54:24,220 --> 02:54:27,080
So in other words, there are 300 cars a day or less.

2244
02:54:27,360 --> 02:54:29,560
They're well under that 500 car a day threshold.

2245
02:54:29,840 --> 02:54:32,920
So we're not real concerned about the need

2246
02:54:32,920 --> 02:54:35,900
to do traffic calming traffic mitigation, traffic management.

2247
02:54:38,340 --> 02:54:39,660
Go ahead and do my comments.

2248
02:54:44,310 --> 02:54:45,770
Yeah, I think I covered most of the comments.

2249
02:54:45,810 --> 02:54:47,770
Council, there's others that you want me to touch on.

2250
02:54:47,770 --> 02:54:48,550
Please let me know.

2251
02:54:48,550 --> 02:54:54,410
But in general, the trips generated by this development,

2252
02:54:54,430 --> 02:54:58,210
the proposed development, one other thing that's

2253
02:54:58,210 --> 02:55:00,770
we're touching on is the context, that's the other thing

2254
02:55:00,770 --> 02:55:05,610
that if you have a business inside of a residential neighborhood,

2255
02:55:06,090 --> 02:55:07,950
or you just have straight up cut through traffic,

2256
02:55:08,090 --> 02:55:09,450
where it's coming from outside the neighborhood,

2257
02:55:09,450 --> 02:55:11,370
through the neighborhood and back out,

2258
02:55:11,890 --> 02:55:14,070
that's the kind of thing that really drives people crazy.

2259
02:55:14,350 --> 02:55:15,230
This isn't that.

2260
02:55:15,230 --> 02:55:16,430
It's residential traffic.

2261
02:55:16,510 --> 02:55:17,350
This is your neighbors.

2262
02:55:17,350 --> 02:55:21,810
that doesn't tend to generate the kind of complaints that we hear about when we have straight

2263
02:55:21,810 --> 02:55:22,990
up cut through traffic.

2264
02:55:23,810 --> 02:55:28,990
And that's why I think probably James Avenue has a nice, the curves there, the diverters

2265
02:55:28,990 --> 02:55:35,030
is because everything to the east is industrial, so it's a traffic, and then everything obviously

2266
02:55:35,030 --> 02:55:35,390
up.

2267
02:55:35,550 --> 02:55:40,150
James Avenue to the north is all residential, and so they just divided those up to eliminate

2268
02:55:40,150 --> 02:55:41,810
the issues that you sometimes hear about.

2269
02:55:42,250 --> 02:55:43,910
So that's what I have for traffic and transportation.

2270
02:55:44,110 --> 02:55:45,750
If there's other questions, I'm happy to answer them.

2271
02:55:45,750 --> 02:55:49,060
Does member Rivas?

2272
02:55:50,140 --> 02:55:51,660
Quick, quick.

2273
02:55:52,460 --> 02:55:53,360
I'm just curious.

2274
02:55:54,160 --> 02:56:00,720
I have never heard you or anybody from the city actually have had an actual traffic

2275
02:56:00,720 --> 02:56:01,300
study.

2276
02:56:01,760 --> 02:56:04,440
Like you would see on the highway when you drive you have to do this.

2277
02:56:04,640 --> 02:56:10,420
The cable sensors across the road, and then when cars actually drive over those, they're

2278
02:56:10,420 --> 02:56:11,280
counting cars.

2279
02:56:12,020 --> 02:56:16,480
And also they are using GPS sensors above that.

2280
02:56:16,480 --> 02:56:22,840
So, have we ever had an actual study like that in the city that you can bring to us?

2281
02:56:23,000 --> 02:56:27,000
I've always been curious about that, I mean, because I've never seen the cables outside,

2282
02:56:27,480 --> 02:56:30,920
and I've never seen the GPS sensors out there either.

2283
02:56:31,480 --> 02:56:35,160
So, can you kind of enlighten me on that either, please?

2284
02:56:35,240 --> 02:56:38,880
Yeah, Mr. Mayor, Council Member Rivas, we do the two counts all the time.

2285
02:56:38,980 --> 02:56:42,460
We have an entire program throughout the summer to do those two counts.

2286
02:56:42,700 --> 02:56:45,040
A lot of that is to report back to our state aid.

2287
02:56:45,040 --> 02:56:52,660
As for our allocation of the federal gas tax, we have to report back on the volume on most of our local and arterial roadways.

2288
02:56:53,140 --> 02:57:03,260
You don't see that tube counts done as frequently inside neighborhoods, just because we have fewer questions about those and those don't have to be reported the same way.

2289
02:57:03,360 --> 02:57:11,540
But we do indeed do studies using tube data and we collect tube data pretty much continuously throughout the summer months.

2290
02:57:12,240 --> 02:57:27,620
Often the studies that we do now, if it's a very specialized thing like this, will engage the services that we can solve in just for workload, especially the larger studies that we do like the corridor studies, and they do that, more and more that tubes are being also replaced by video.

2291
02:57:28,440 --> 02:57:35,140
And so when we want that accuracy, they'll put video cameras up, and that's an automated system that just counts the traffic using that.

2292
02:57:37,040 --> 02:57:38,080
Thank you.

2293
02:57:38,080 --> 02:57:42,980
Also, despite our best intentions, I'm a new make-a-motion that we adjourn

2294
02:57:42,980 --> 02:57:45,040
no later than 10 o'clock. Let's see if we can get our work done.

2295
02:57:45,680 --> 02:57:48,760
Second. Motion to extend until no later than 10 o'clock. Second by

2296
02:57:48,760 --> 02:57:52,180
Dallas, Andrew. No further counts at the discussion, Ms. Rhyme.

2297
02:57:52,660 --> 02:57:56,280
Carter. I, Dallas, Andrew. I, Rebus.

2298
02:57:56,340 --> 02:58:00,060
Aye. Nalton. Lowman. Robertton. Aye. Where are bussy?

2299
02:58:00,180 --> 02:58:01,620
Aye. Motion carries 7-0.

2300
02:58:02,940 --> 02:58:07,680
Let's go on, so any additional questions that we need answered based on the questions that

2301
02:58:07,680 --> 02:58:11,120
you heard from residents or questions that you had?

2302
02:58:12,320 --> 02:58:13,040
That's Maradelle Senator.

2303
02:58:13,120 --> 02:58:14,640
Yes, Mr. Mayor, thank you.

2304
02:58:15,000 --> 02:58:20,580
I would like, I don't know if, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Johnson can answer this question.

2305
02:58:21,640 --> 02:58:26,920
But one of the conditions that we put in here is the construction management plan.

2306
02:58:26,920 --> 02:58:35,060
And it came out of planning commission trying to provide a mitigation for some of the resident

2307
02:58:35,060 --> 02:58:40,240
concerns around what does it mean to build in the neighborhood during the period of time, etc.

2308
02:58:40,780 --> 02:58:45,040
But what we're looking at right now doesn't tell us anything about what's in that construction

2309
02:58:45,040 --> 02:58:52,180
management plan. And so my question would be, like, what can we expect from a construction management plan?

2310
02:58:52,180 --> 02:58:54,620
has this ever been done before, number one,

2311
02:58:54,660 --> 02:58:59,220
putting a condition of approval on this like this.

2312
02:58:59,220 --> 02:59:00,820
And then what is it going to look like

2313
02:59:00,820 --> 02:59:02,160
so that we can have some understanding

2314
02:59:02,160 --> 02:59:05,000
of what it is we're expecting to be supporting

2315
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:06,800
if we choose to support it.

2316
02:59:07,000 --> 02:59:07,980
Mr. Johnson tells about it.

2317
02:59:07,980 --> 02:59:10,060
Yeah, Mayor Concemer, we'll send her a thank you for the question

2318
02:59:10,060 --> 02:59:11,100
and actually it's really helpful

2319
02:59:11,100 --> 02:59:14,760
if the council kind of voices or shares their ideas

2320
02:59:14,760 --> 02:59:16,480
about what they would like to see in that document

2321
02:59:16,480 --> 02:59:19,400
because we have done it for other larger scale projects.

2322
02:59:19,400 --> 02:59:21,740
We haven't done it as frequently for smaller

2323
02:59:21,740 --> 02:59:26,940
middle-scale projects. But the things that are typically in it have to do with kind of the

2324
02:59:26,940 --> 02:59:30,840
Cummings and goings of all of the contractors and staff who are constructing the project.

2325
02:59:31,280 --> 02:59:35,400
On the front end of things, that's the roadway that's the utilities, those things. A lot of times

2326
02:59:35,400 --> 02:59:39,880
they can create a construction parking area or a lay-down area for all the equipment and materials.

2327
02:59:40,960 --> 02:59:44,620
But then you'll have the vertical construction of the homes and the concern that was raised around

2328
02:59:44,620 --> 02:59:49,160
having multiple crews going at one time. I mean I heard the applicant tonight say that

2329
02:59:49,160 --> 02:59:59,980
He would find it acceptable if there was limitations around the number of homes being construction under one time, so that's something that's certainly under consideration another construction management plans we've done I can think of

2330
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,380
Friendship Village, the large expansion that happened at Friendship Village. Public works actually didn't allow parking on the public street on a highwood.

2331
03:00:07,760 --> 03:00:15,280
So the number they had to either park within the campus itself during construction or they actually had to shuttle some staff in for the construction of those buildings.

2332
03:00:15,460 --> 03:00:18,240
Obviously that's a much larger project than what we're talking about here.

2333
03:00:18,620 --> 03:00:29,240
But these are the kinds of things that if there's some sensitivity or some impacts that could be visited upon adjacent property owners that we would take a closer look to figure that out.

2334
03:00:29,240 --> 03:00:33,360
In terms of the staff teams that would be involved in informing the contents of that document,

2335
03:00:33,740 --> 03:00:37,880
which I won't public works, the building official planning staff, in some cases in

2336
03:00:37,880 --> 03:00:40,920
environmental health because they're doing the enforcement on noise or other things.

2337
03:00:41,580 --> 03:00:45,480
So we try and pull a team together and try and think through okay what are all the potential

2338
03:00:45,480 --> 03:00:49,320
impacts that could cause harm to adjacent properties during the construction.

2339
03:00:49,880 --> 03:00:53,520
And we try and mitigate that through the contents of the management plan.

2340
03:00:53,860 --> 03:00:57,720
But we actually invited planning commission to give us their thoughts when they added this condition.

2341
03:00:57,720 --> 03:01:02,440
So, the more things you can put on the record that gives us more than just our own expertise,

2342
03:01:03,160 --> 03:01:03,740
it kind of helps.

2343
03:01:04,100 --> 03:01:08,000
And the applicant being in the room, it helps set the expectation of what the city wants to see,

2344
03:01:08,080 --> 03:01:11,160
as far as being sensitive to the neighboring private owners.

2345
03:01:11,620 --> 03:01:11,740
Okay.

2346
03:01:12,020 --> 03:01:12,800
So, thank you for that.

2347
03:01:12,920 --> 03:01:14,300
So, a follow-up question to that.

2348
03:01:14,520 --> 03:01:20,100
Does the construction, has the construction major or can the construction management plan also include,

2349
03:01:22,040 --> 03:01:22,920
you know,

2350
03:01:22,920 --> 03:01:30,720
of some of the limitations that bridge the gap between what is being proposed as concepts

2351
03:01:30,720 --> 03:01:34,460
here and what actually is allowed by the ordinance.

2352
03:01:35,020 --> 03:01:39,000
Most specifically, I'm thinking about the fact that what we are seeing in front of us

2353
03:01:39,000 --> 03:01:44,500
here today is houses that are 20 feet tall and yet in R3 should we pass those own changes,

2354
03:01:44,880 --> 03:01:45,920
it could be up to 50.

2355
03:01:46,600 --> 03:01:51,000
We don't want that, like I heard it very clearly, the residents don't want 50 foot tall buildings

2356
03:01:51,000 --> 03:01:57,680
in these areas. It won't be preventable, but if it was a condition in the construction management

2357
03:01:57,680 --> 03:02:01,700
plan, we could add that. I just don't know if that's the kind of thing you can put in a

2358
03:02:01,700 --> 03:02:06,780
construction management plan. That's why I'm asking the question, because it will help me understand

2359
03:02:07,540 --> 03:02:11,660
what the boundaries of that are. I appreciate that. So, Mayor Concerning, I would say no,

2360
03:02:11,820 --> 03:02:20,560
and the reason being is that the construction management plan is really focused on the

2361
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:25,500
term following its construction. So that's kind of the boundaries of that document. If you

2362
03:02:25,500 --> 03:02:31,360
well, now certainly you have the right or the question to impose other conditions of approval.

2363
03:02:31,480 --> 03:02:35,940
So long as it meets an essential nexus, the issue that we have sometimes is that if you're

2364
03:02:35,940 --> 03:02:42,420
imposing conditions on a code complying application with respect to a project that meets our code,

2365
03:02:42,720 --> 03:02:46,580
that does take some back and forth or some collaboration with the applicant in terms of whether

2366
03:02:46,580 --> 03:02:51,400
not they're willing to entertain those types of conditions. So I would certainly invite them.

2367
03:02:51,400 --> 03:02:55,900
If you're thinking along those lines, I would invite them to at least raise that with them

2368
03:02:55,900 --> 03:03:00,380
to see if they're open to a condition along those lines specifically to structure height.

2369
03:03:00,700 --> 03:03:04,400
One thing I would say just to clarify that issue a little bit is it's true that the height map

2370
03:03:04,400 --> 03:03:09,040
allows structures up to 50 feet. I mean, I invite the applicant to speak to this and I know we

2371
03:03:09,040 --> 03:03:13,560
did have the townhome project on recently, so I'm sure that's a top of mind a little bit.

2372
03:03:13,560 --> 03:03:21,880
But in terms of what we see for new single-family home or villa law construction, where the market typically does not build a three-story villa

2373
03:03:21,880 --> 03:03:33,720
I don't see that product very often. In addition to that, specifically for the lots that are closer to single-family homes and to the south of them, that's when you have the greatest impact from a structure head standpoint

2374
03:03:33,720 --> 03:03:38,540
is your casting shadows. Our code does have provisions in it that does offer protections that if

2375
03:03:38,540 --> 03:03:42,980
you're casting shadows at both in the morning and the afternoon and it's most impactful in the winter

2376
03:03:42,980 --> 03:03:48,900
months, of course, when the sun is lowest, you're not allowed to do that. And so in those particular

2377
03:03:48,900 --> 03:03:54,240
lots, it would be staffs expectation that the architect is providing a shadow study for their

2378
03:03:54,240 --> 03:03:59,440
specific home to ensure that those shadow components are being complied with in our code. So that's a

2379
03:03:59,440 --> 03:04:02,280
bit for you to chew on and don't know if it resolves the question.

2380
03:04:02,580 --> 03:04:07,960
No, it helps and you know Mr. Johnson, you're always super thorough and I totally appreciate

2381
03:04:07,960 --> 03:04:11,800
that no one to thank you for being willing to address my concerns.

2382
03:04:13,360 --> 03:04:21,040
You know, I guess from my perspective, I guess the last question I would have is we are being

2383
03:04:21,040 --> 03:04:26,260
provided with conceptual studies here of what houses might look like and I could choose to say

2384
03:04:26,260 --> 03:04:34,020
like them, or don't like them, but they're based on, we've been asked to look at a table

2385
03:04:34,020 --> 03:04:40,820
that says, here's the requirement, here's the proposed thing, right, over and over again,

2386
03:04:40,940 --> 03:04:44,480
except they're not the proposed thing, because as soon as this is over, that could be something else.

2387
03:04:44,480 --> 03:04:49,460
And that's the thing that I'm trying to have struggling with. So I guess the third question I would ask

2388
03:04:49,460 --> 03:04:53,400
is, what is there within our framework?

2389
03:04:54,000 --> 03:05:01,720
Can we do, to say, these are the home plans

2390
03:05:01,720 --> 03:05:03,580
that you can build in this area.

2391
03:05:04,260 --> 03:05:06,640
It's almost like a planned development, right?

2392
03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:10,680
Where it has sets of conditions, and it has pre-approved,

2393
03:05:10,960 --> 03:05:14,540
if you will, construction concepts.

2394
03:05:14,540 --> 03:05:20,740
Um, you know, it just, so that we're not at a point where, you know, two years down the road,

2395
03:05:20,820 --> 03:05:24,120
two of the homes have been built kind of sort of an alignment with what we've seen today.

2396
03:05:24,120 --> 03:05:28,940
And then somebody comes in and, you know, is a completely off, completely outrageous.

2397
03:05:29,840 --> 03:05:33,120
I don't mean to be like, I like lots of different kinds of architecture.

2398
03:05:33,340 --> 03:05:37,080
So I'm not necessarily going to be the guy that goes, what in the world you built a castle.

2399
03:05:37,900 --> 03:05:42,960
Um, but, I mean, somebody might try to build a castle, like, you know, a really tall castle with turrets.

2400
03:05:42,960 --> 03:05:47,500
and they can't we can't really say no at that point and that's I'm trying to just understand

2401
03:05:47,500 --> 03:05:52,780
what what we can be doing now to put bumpers around what looks reasonable for these property

2402
03:05:52,780 --> 03:05:58,260
owners that are adjacent to this to this neighborhood. Yeah first mayor first I'd say like all

2403
03:05:58,260 --> 03:06:02,040
this discussion is really helpful for planning step because we're taking notes we're taking

2404
03:06:02,040 --> 03:06:06,920
note of your conversations around what our standards should be in these particular instances and

2405
03:06:06,920 --> 03:06:11,800
that's going to inform future policy work that we do right so I appreciate it comes from Nelson's

2406
03:06:11,800 --> 03:06:16,380
months, maybe at the end of the last meeting, or if our standards are on, let's change our standards.

2407
03:06:17,140 --> 03:06:22,660
So that's just kind of my first more broad comment to that. As far as the imposition of

2408
03:06:22,660 --> 03:06:29,360
additional height conditions on it, no I don't think that we can say that it has to be this style,

2409
03:06:29,600 --> 03:06:35,380
or this design of the home, that's typically what HOAs do, and as they were mentioning kind of

2410
03:06:35,380 --> 03:06:39,420
mass builders, yes, they give you five options and you pick one, and that's how they do their work

2411
03:06:39,420 --> 03:06:44,540
as that scale. This is a different situation, but I think we're finding that in the space of missing

2412
03:06:44,540 --> 03:06:48,660
metal housing, it's going to take different types of developers to deliver that product because

2413
03:06:48,660 --> 03:06:55,300
there isn't the scale of the national builders or the big builders use. So to back to your question

2414
03:06:55,300 --> 03:06:59,980
about what conditions you can add, again, I mean, I invite the city attorney to speak to this to a

2415
03:06:59,980 --> 03:07:05,500
little bit, but every condition you impose on development should meet some essential nexus is the

2416
03:07:05,500 --> 03:07:12,060
that it's called. So what is the condition doing? Is it reasonable to solve the problem that you have

2417
03:07:12,060 --> 03:07:18,540
identified? In this particular case, the city code allows 50 feet if the site is rezoned to R3.

2418
03:07:19,100 --> 03:07:25,020
And so that's where I mentioned that I think it does necessitate some discussion or some invitation to the applicant to see

2419
03:07:25,020 --> 03:07:29,940
what they're willing to, what their appetite is to allow for additional.

2420
03:07:30,760 --> 03:07:46,920
Conditions around structure height. If that's of, if they're amenable to that and the council wants to do that, then I think you're kind of a kumbaya and you're in a good place and then maybe you add that condition, but if they're not amenable to that, that's kind of where you have a, it's a trickier question to answer because it is coat complying.

2421
03:07:47,180 --> 03:07:49,900
Minus the shadow issue that I mentioned before.

2422
03:07:50,240 --> 03:07:51,640
Thank you. Appreciate your help.

2423
03:07:53,080 --> 03:07:59,520
So I heard Mr. Furlong say something about an association and is that basically what we're talking about?

2424
03:07:59,520 --> 03:08:11,260
I mean, the association determining heights and styles and that kind of thing to help limit or determine what a different house could look like.

2425
03:08:15,880 --> 03:08:25,940
But Mr. Mayer, I thought I thought that the whole idea because these are nine individually developed places and yes, there would be a requirement for an HOA.

2426
03:08:25,940 --> 03:08:32,800
I guess for a common space in area, but it wouldn't necessarily have the whole standing on the building.

2427
03:08:32,800 --> 03:08:34,920
And I'm here in Councilor Dalson, just to clarify,

2428
03:08:35,160 --> 03:08:39,440
state law doesn't allow us to require an HRA any more.

2429
03:08:39,440 --> 03:08:39,720
Enjoy.

2430
03:08:40,380 --> 03:08:42,460
HOLA, excuse me, but it's my understanding that

2431
03:08:42,460 --> 03:08:43,660
is they're planned to have an HOLA.

2432
03:08:43,900 --> 03:08:45,260
Yes, they can have private rules,

2433
03:08:45,720 --> 03:08:48,360
but the city can not enforce an HOLA's private rules.

2434
03:08:48,480 --> 03:08:50,220
So I think what I'm talking about,

2435
03:08:50,380 --> 03:08:53,940
what I think you're talking about is some type of condition

2436
03:08:53,940 --> 03:08:57,160
of approval on the final site and building plan approval.

2437
03:08:57,760 --> 03:09:00,460
But again, when you're in a situation where the code says

2438
03:09:00,460 --> 03:09:01,520
that you're allowed to do that,

2439
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:03,020
I think that takes some given takers,

2440
03:09:03,140 --> 03:09:05,220
some discussion with the applicant on whether they're

2441
03:09:05,220 --> 03:09:06,080
amenable to that.

2442
03:09:07,940 --> 03:09:08,680
Let's move on to moment.

2443
03:09:09,500 --> 03:09:09,920
Thank you, Mayor.

2444
03:09:10,420 --> 03:09:12,180
I guess I'm a little confused.

2445
03:09:13,780 --> 03:09:14,260
So

2446
03:09:16,760 --> 03:09:19,880
we're trying to go from R1 to R3.

2447
03:09:20,420 --> 03:09:23,760
But it seems like the building that's going to be built

2448
03:09:23,760 --> 03:09:26,660
is built in a style that's an R1.

2449
03:09:27,380 --> 03:09:29,560
And this is where I'm having a difficult time

2450
03:09:29,560 --> 03:09:33,140
trying to ascertain or just figure that out.

2451
03:09:33,140 --> 03:09:36,880
that's a really confused with that. So that's kind of my first question. I'm confused about

2452
03:09:36,880 --> 03:09:41,560
that if you could help me kind of understand that. In a secondary thing that I'm trying to

2453
03:09:41,560 --> 03:09:47,540
understand is, you know, we have a comprehensive plan in this space where this area is guided towards

2454
03:09:47,540 --> 03:09:53,200
R3. Is that my understanding or guided towards a part of me towards a higher density?

2455
03:09:54,320 --> 03:09:58,100
Yeah. Mayor Combsman to Loman. So the R3's only district was designed to be

2456
03:09:58,100 --> 03:10:02,960
that gentle density district, it was designed to accommodate missing middle types of different

2457
03:10:02,960 --> 03:10:08,940
forms, not kind of more higher density medium, like a multiplex or a small apartment building,

2458
03:10:10,020 --> 03:10:15,480
but detached townhomes, cottage courts, townhomes, attached townhomes. That's what our three

2459
03:10:15,480 --> 03:10:20,860
can accommodate. So is it a medium density residential district planning staff would actually argue that

2460
03:10:20,860 --> 03:10:31,420
If it's in both the high end of low density residential and the high end of low density and the low end of medium density. Does that make sense?

2461
03:10:33,000 --> 03:10:36,680
So I think I just confused you more. I get your point.

2462
03:10:36,680 --> 03:10:47,800
The point is is that you can build some of these missing middle types if you recall the missing middle policy, but there's subject to different standards. There's greater restrictions on height and there's bigger setbacks if it is our one.

2463
03:10:47,800 --> 03:10:53,880
I don't want to speak for the developer, but I think from following this process along, the reason they've decided to seek

2464
03:10:53,880 --> 03:11:02,260
rezoning to R3 is based on two things. One, the site is guided, medium-density residential, and two, it offers them reduced structure setbacks,

2465
03:11:02,580 --> 03:11:12,200
which allows them to gain more units back to the point he made about the pro forma. So that's just my analysis of it. I'm not trying to be objective for neutral in that

2466
03:11:12,200 --> 03:11:17,220
I appreciate that. And my understanding that correctly with the R1 to R3.

2467
03:11:17,560 --> 03:11:22,280
So that's what we're trying to do. So there's first couple of motions here trying to get us into that thing.

2468
03:11:22,540 --> 03:11:30,140
I guess the dilemma I'm having is, I don't know what it is that's going to be there.

2469
03:11:31,200 --> 03:11:34,320
And so I just, I can't, I'm having a hard time figuring out.

2470
03:11:34,440 --> 03:11:41,980
And I get what's, you know, the developers trying to do a thing is trying to make it so you can basically build your own home.

2471
03:11:41,980 --> 03:11:50,960
But if you want to build your own home, what's the restriction from stopping you from going and building it all the way to the R3 standards?

2472
03:11:52,500 --> 03:12:05,440
Right, so Mayor Council member Loman, there are structure setback requirements in R3. You have to have a minimum 5 foot separation or 10 foot separation between each dwelling, which effectively is a 5 foot side guard setback on both sides.

2473
03:12:05,440 --> 03:12:11,880
So there are standards within the code, when the building get that, but there's a level between

2474
03:12:12,580 --> 03:12:18,540
what I'm hearing being proposed and what the final person that's going to, since they're

2475
03:12:18,540 --> 03:12:21,760
not controlling that, can do with that.

2476
03:12:22,320 --> 03:12:35,420
That's where I'm a little bit hesitant to do that that are three parts, because they just don't

2477
03:12:35,420 --> 03:12:41,200
that we're trying to achieve, and that's the part that I'm confused with is that, you know,

2478
03:12:41,360 --> 03:12:46,680
and then they could do whatever they want. So there's no real restriction here. So I'm reluctant

2479
03:12:46,680 --> 03:12:50,880
to want to make that move to the R3 until I have a much better understanding of that. And there's

2480
03:12:50,880 --> 03:12:55,220
some other things that are here that are going on here to the sewer and some other things through

2481
03:12:55,220 --> 03:13:00,140
that I have questions about. So I'm just, you know, I've never done this before, so I want to do

2482
03:13:00,140 --> 03:13:08,940
this right. And so I'm just at this point, Mayor, when I look at this today, I'm not ready

2483
03:13:08,940 --> 03:13:13,680
to make this decision tonight. You know, I want to kind of have a little more understanding

2484
03:13:13,680 --> 03:13:19,420
in terms of what this R3 thing looks like. And I think it's a great innovative idea, but

2485
03:13:19,800 --> 03:13:25,160
this could be a lot of different things in that neighborhood. And I don't really know what that

2486
03:13:25,160 --> 03:13:27,920
And it's one thing if you're coming back near goal here.

2487
03:13:27,960 --> 03:13:33,360
This is exactly what it is, and it's going to be two stories.

2488
03:13:33,780 --> 03:13:37,060
And by just, again, I asked the question again,

2489
03:13:37,240 --> 03:13:41,800
a $600,000 house for one bedroom, that didn't seem

2490
03:13:41,800 --> 03:13:43,860
to quite fit what's going on here.

2491
03:13:44,560 --> 03:13:46,500
So there's something's not making sense to me here.

2492
03:13:46,560 --> 03:13:49,940
So I'm just trying to make this make sense to me.

2493
03:13:50,760 --> 03:13:53,080
So if, you know, I'm not ready for this right now.

2494
03:13:53,080 --> 03:13:55,860
and the way this is presented to me.

2495
03:13:56,100 --> 03:13:56,560
Thank you, Council member.

2496
03:13:58,220 --> 03:13:59,060
Council member Rivas.

2497
03:13:59,200 --> 03:14:01,680
I had a comment to make.

2498
03:14:02,840 --> 03:14:09,160
My only common is, I like the fact that the builder,

2499
03:14:09,660 --> 03:14:14,560
or the developer, stated the facts, why, nine, and not 304.

2500
03:14:14,920 --> 03:14:20,920
It all comes down to money, and the realities

2501
03:14:20,920 --> 03:14:27,280
for an investor to put their capital into anything and they had to look for profit.

2502
03:14:28,680 --> 03:14:35,300
We live in this world that is the capital of this world, so you know that said, I did

2503
03:14:35,300 --> 03:14:41,860
like your explanation, you know, that's reality and it's good for the public to hear that.

2504
03:14:43,300 --> 03:14:50,060
That was my comment and I do understand what's going on with the amount of land and how

2505
03:14:50,060 --> 03:14:59,980
you can make a profitable and fit as many units as possible because of the 30 to 20 is a yard chip.

2506
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:31,390
What is the yards, right? Feet, actually, for two to three to twenty feet, right? I understand all of that. My only question is, it comes down to, there are going to be, whoever the builder is, even if they are all, the council is there, they have guidelines already from what I understand that they will have to follow, even if let's say I buy one of them and I build something, the interior could be very different than the others, but the outside would have to assimilate the other.

2507
03:15:31,410 --> 03:15:36,050
You know, it's right or correct me if I'm wrong from what I understand

2508
03:15:37,170 --> 03:15:41,250
Go ahead, Mr. forgive me. I can't remember you asking me to describe that question

2509
03:15:41,250 --> 03:15:49,030
one more time. What I'm saying is that the, you know, within the guidelines the guidelines that the city has and everything that we have in the ordinance is right

2510
03:15:49,690 --> 03:15:55,370
Even if there are nine different builders in there the outside of the builders will be very similar

2511
03:15:55,370 --> 03:16:00,310
The only things that I can think the owners would do almost in any like in any other development

2512
03:16:00,310 --> 03:16:05,890
And you only design the inside of a home as a private owner.

2513
03:16:06,150 --> 03:16:10,090
You go in and you ask your architects or engineers to do whatever you want.

2514
03:16:10,270 --> 03:16:13,910
And they set up and that you want in the interior of the house.

2515
03:16:14,270 --> 03:16:16,510
But the other side has to follow standards, right?

2516
03:16:16,750 --> 03:16:20,950
Yeah, maybe Mayor of Constable, maybe I can answer address.

2517
03:16:21,390 --> 03:16:26,010
Constable Roman's question and your question together, if I can, is when we have a lot

2518
03:16:26,010 --> 03:16:28,730
in Bloomington, it's just a typical single family lot, right?

2519
03:16:28,730 --> 03:16:29,650
We get a building permit.

2520
03:16:29,650 --> 03:16:33,670
We review it to meet all of our zoning standards, height, setbacks.

2521
03:16:34,350 --> 03:16:36,970
The building code has requirements around exterior materials.

2522
03:16:37,590 --> 03:16:40,770
We do have zoning standards for exterior materials, for our commercial industrial,

2523
03:16:41,330 --> 03:16:45,430
our high density buildings. We don't have exterior material requirements for

2524
03:16:45,430 --> 03:16:49,350
a single family homes or detached town homes or villas, whatever you want to call these.

2525
03:16:49,750 --> 03:16:53,930
And so to the question of, you know, to the question of, we're not knowing kind of what's going

2526
03:16:53,930 --> 03:16:57,270
to happen here or what exactly is the application seeking.

2527
03:16:57,270 --> 03:17:02,050
And every single one of these lots, if a building permit comes in, for a new dwelling, we

2528
03:17:02,050 --> 03:17:05,890
will review it according to the standards of the zoning code, just like we would a typical

2529
03:17:05,890 --> 03:17:11,950
single family home, setbacks, height, all of those things that we typically impervious surface,

2530
03:17:12,370 --> 03:17:15,130
all of those things that we typically look at, make sure that it's meeting our parking

2531
03:17:15,130 --> 03:17:15,670
requirement.

2532
03:17:16,170 --> 03:17:20,130
So I know it's a little bit different that this is conceptual in terms of the building plans

2533
03:17:20,130 --> 03:17:26,770
that they've provided to you in the packet, but it's very similar to actually if you were

2534
03:17:26,770 --> 03:17:32,090
just subdivide if you were to subdivide one lot into three single family lots. We would review the

2535
03:17:32,090 --> 03:17:37,050
building permit of each individual three single family homes according to the requirements of

2536
03:17:37,050 --> 03:17:40,950
our zoning code through the submission of a building permit and that building permit would not

2537
03:17:40,950 --> 03:17:46,350
get issued until we verify that it complies with our zoning so it's very similar to that process.

2538
03:17:46,610 --> 03:17:52,450
I don't know if that cleaned anything up or clear anything up maybe not but that's to me thank you.

2539
03:17:52,450 --> 03:17:57,470
Council, based on a discussion, I can't tell which direction we're going to go here.

2540
03:17:57,670 --> 03:17:59,450
I don't know that we've got an answer one way or another.

2541
03:18:00,030 --> 03:18:06,390
But what I hear is all kinds of confusion and misunderstanding or lack of understanding

2542
03:18:06,390 --> 03:18:07,870
of what we're voting on, to be honest.

2543
03:18:09,370 --> 03:18:15,170
I think it might be prudent for us to table this, ask staff to maybe regroup a little bit

2544
03:18:15,170 --> 03:18:21,110
and come back to us and get a bit more information, wherever we want to go, however we want

2545
03:18:21,110 --> 03:18:21,550
to go with this.

2546
03:18:21,550 --> 03:18:31,570
I don't it's it's up to this group, but I want to at least make sure that we understand what we're voting on what we're talking about here, and so and I don't hear that right now in the questions that are being asked in the discussion that we're having.

2547
03:18:32,690 --> 03:18:39,650
So I don't know I would look to staff are we we're not on any under any time constraints or maybe we are.

2548
03:18:41,500 --> 03:18:43,860
The one twenty day is November 12th.

2549
03:18:43,940 --> 03:18:44,900
Oh, so we do have a time.

2550
03:18:45,920 --> 03:18:50,520
I do think Council that that makes the most sense right now because I'm not hearing

2551
03:18:51,080 --> 03:18:54,700
understanding or comfort in this decision that we're making either way that we're making

2552
03:18:54,700 --> 03:18:57,060
and I don't hear comfort in that.

2553
03:18:57,460 --> 03:18:58,860
So, Councilmember Nelson.

2554
03:19:00,180 --> 03:19:00,280
Yeah.

2555
03:19:00,420 --> 03:19:00,900
Thanks, Mayor.

2556
03:19:00,920 --> 03:19:02,140
Can I just address a couple of things.

2557
03:19:02,300 --> 03:19:03,580
I don't disagree with your direction.

2558
03:19:04,120 --> 03:19:09,760
But just quickly, construction management plan, city of Minneapolis has one St. Louis

2559
03:19:09,760 --> 03:19:15,720
part that could be templates, I happen to very for different reasons, help write the Minneapolis

2560
03:19:15,720 --> 03:19:24,840
one. So it's probably not that good. And in terms of an HOA, I mean, they're very flexible.

2561
03:19:25,340 --> 03:19:29,680
I think Mr. Furlong indicated be fairly limited, so they could put all sorts of requirements

2562
03:19:29,680 --> 03:19:34,980
in terms of aesthetics and extra stuff. And you hear the horror stories of HOA and you can't

2563
03:19:34,980 --> 03:19:41,040
pink flamingo's out or whatever, but you can make it much more limited and it's just a group

2564
03:19:41,040 --> 03:19:47,060
that takes care of road maintenance, trash, hauling, utilities, that sort of thing. So that can be very limited.

2565
03:19:47,380 --> 03:19:53,440
In terms of if this is rezoned to R3 anything that meets the standards of R3 could be built.

2566
03:19:54,320 --> 03:20:00,140
I mean it would probably have to be replatted because of the plating, but anything that meets any of those standards

2567
03:20:00,140 --> 03:20:07,200
could be built if it's resound. So I mean I understand that they have conceptual stuff. It could go

2568
03:20:07,820 --> 03:20:12,000
my wrong. Can I address that just one second? I'm Mr. Johnson. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

2569
03:20:12,120 --> 03:20:17,600
Here comes the question. Maybe we should just, maybe we should just put applause on this.

2570
03:20:17,700 --> 03:20:20,860
It's getting late. I think there are more questions in answers right now. There's more confusion

2571
03:20:20,860 --> 03:20:27,100
than understanding. If we back this off until October 12th, perhaps? Or we could do it maybe the

2572
03:20:27,100 --> 03:20:28,480
Monday that I'm in Kansas City.

2573
03:20:28,660 --> 03:20:29,520
Maybe we could do it that way.

2574
03:20:30,200 --> 03:20:36,320
So thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2575
03:20:36,600 --> 03:20:39,080
I appreciate the willingness to send that to me

2576
03:20:39,080 --> 03:20:40,440
for acting Mayor, Deities.

2577
03:20:41,100 --> 03:20:46,420
I'm going to move that we table item 4.8 until I

2578
03:20:46,420 --> 03:20:47,760
took the October 12 meeting.

2579
03:20:47,980 --> 03:20:51,580
Direct staff to direct counsel to forming

2580
03:20:51,580 --> 03:20:54,680
questions and get to staff and get your better understanding

2581
03:20:54,680 --> 03:20:57,680
and direct staff to see what we can do to try and make a better

2582
03:20:57,680 --> 03:21:02,000
sense of this and so we can come to a decision based on an understanding of what we're making

2583
03:21:02,000 --> 03:21:03,220
that decision on.

2584
03:21:04,580 --> 03:21:05,260
Motion in a second.

2585
03:21:05,500 --> 03:21:09,240
Any additional questions or conversation on this?

2586
03:21:09,560 --> 03:21:13,080
Mayor, just to note that the public hearing is closed, so there will not be a subsequent

2587
03:21:13,080 --> 03:21:13,740
public hearing.

2588
03:21:13,740 --> 03:21:14,720
Very good.

2589
03:21:14,740 --> 03:21:15,520
October 12th.

2590
03:21:15,520 --> 03:21:16,460
And again, October 12th.

2591
03:21:16,480 --> 03:21:21,080
Unless we want to go to September 26th, it's a 28th, no, very good.

2592
03:21:22,100 --> 03:21:23,540
We have a motion in a second to table.

2593
03:21:23,540 --> 03:21:27,120
and tell our October 12th. No further discussion? Ms. Rye.

2594
03:21:27,620 --> 03:21:30,440
Carter. I'm Tala Sandra.

2595
03:21:30,520 --> 03:21:32,900
Hi. Rivas. Nelson.

2596
03:21:33,740 --> 03:21:35,420
Loman. Robertson.

2597
03:21:35,520 --> 03:21:36,220
Hi. Mary Busy.

2598
03:21:36,320 --> 03:21:37,800
Hi. Motion carries seven zero.

2599
03:21:38,460 --> 03:21:39,380
Thank you for your patience.

2600
03:21:40,500 --> 03:21:41,840
Both the developer and neighbors.

2601
03:21:41,980 --> 03:21:42,660
Thanks for the patience.

2602
03:21:42,800 --> 03:21:44,580
I want to make sure that we understand what we're talking about.

2603
03:21:44,700 --> 03:21:45,320
We get this right.

2604
03:21:45,840 --> 03:21:47,380
And so appreciate your patience.

2605
03:21:47,420 --> 03:21:49,060
Appreciate your sticking it out with us.

2606
03:21:49,320 --> 03:21:50,300
This laid on to a Monday night.

2607
03:21:50,300 --> 03:21:53,020
but you're seeing the sausage being made.

2608
03:21:53,060 --> 03:21:54,680
I hope you enjoy it, it's how it works.

2609
03:21:54,900 --> 03:21:55,540
So, thank you.

2610
03:21:57,460 --> 03:22:00,080
Council, that concludes our agenda this evening.

2611
03:22:00,200 --> 03:22:02,620
We are up to Council Policy and Issue Update.

2612
03:22:02,940 --> 03:22:04,540
We didn't have a listening session,

2613
03:22:04,760 --> 03:22:06,980
so I have no listening session to report on.

2614
03:22:08,040 --> 03:22:09,140
Mr. Walker, do you have anything tonight?

2615
03:22:09,420 --> 03:22:10,920
Very quickly, Mayor, some good events.

2616
03:22:11,020 --> 03:22:13,480
The community should be aware of this Saturday,

2617
03:22:14,260 --> 03:22:17,440
September 19th from noon to 4 p.m.,

2618
03:22:17,440 --> 03:22:19,060
there will be the 50th anniversary

2619
03:22:19,060 --> 03:22:23,980
of the Norman Dell Japanese Garden at Norman Dell Community College, believe the program

2620
03:22:23,980 --> 03:22:29,980
itself starts at noon, but there are events throughout the day. Also Saturday, keep the fun.

2621
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:50,620
We're going at the Bloomington Street Arts Festival in 9 Mile October Fest. That runs from 10 AM to 6 PM. And then on no meeting next week, but there will be a boards and commission, connect opportunity for council and our board and commission members to get together and update and dialogue that'll be from 6 to 8 PM here in council chambers.

2622
03:22:52,180 --> 03:22:57,300
Very good. Council anything to add? Hearing none, I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

2623
03:22:58,220 --> 03:22:59,000
Motion by.

2624
03:22:59,300 --> 03:23:01,940
Mr. Dales-Handro, second by council member Robertson to adjourn.

2625
03:23:02,060 --> 03:23:04,220
No further discussion in Ms. Rye.

2626
03:23:04,540 --> 03:23:05,020
Carter?

2627
03:23:06,260 --> 03:23:07,120
I, Dales-Handro.

2628
03:23:07,740 --> 03:23:08,260
I, Rivas?

2629
03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:09,420
Nelson?

2630
03:23:10,180 --> 03:23:10,380
Loman?

2631
03:23:10,540 --> 03:23:10,820
I.

2632
03:23:11,100 --> 03:23:11,580
Robertson?

2633
03:23:11,840 --> 03:23:12,460
I, Mayor Busy.

2634
03:23:12,520 --> 03:23:13,920
I, motion carries seven zero.

2635
03:23:14,040 --> 03:23:14,560
We are adjourned.

2636
03:23:14,800 --> 03:23:15,240
Thanks much everybody.

2637
03:23:15,500 --> 03:23:16,500
Thanks for the conversation tonight.

2638
03:23:17,040 --> 03:23:18,280
Thanks to our neighbors who joined us.

2639
03:23:18,420 --> 03:23:18,820
Thanks to staff.

2640
03:23:18,980 --> 03:23:20,260
Well done. Have a good rest of your week.