1 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:27,519 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for attending our town council 2 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:33,920 meeting this evening, September 8th, 2026. 3 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:34,799 And if you would please roll call. Cat 4 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:36,000 » Perry >> here. 5 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,120 » David Harwood >> here. 6 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,040 » Wayne Miller >> here. 7 00:03:38,239 --> 00:03:45,599 » Doug Matson's here. >> Thank you. All right. Very good. If you 8 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,599 would please stand for the pledge of allegiance. 9 00:03:51,280 --> 00:04:00,560 I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic 10 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:09,480 for which it stands. [clears throat] One nation under God, indivisible, with 11 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,480 liberty and justice for all. 12 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:24,400 » All righty. Council approval of minutes. August 11th, 2026, regular session. 13 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:27,440 August 28th, 2026, special meeting minutes. Do I have a 14 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:30,080 motion? >> So move. 15 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:34,240 » Do I have a second? >> Second. 16 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:39,040 » Any any discussion? No changes. Okay. How do we vote? Cat 17 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,960 » I. >> David. 18 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,919 » I. >> Doug. 19 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,040 » Hi. >> Melissa. 20 00:04:42,479 --> 00:04:47,840 » Hi. >> Okay. All right. Regular agenda 21 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:53,840 adoption. We've got a few little changes right here. Uh council, I'm requesting 22 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:59,840 when we pull the art in the park. Uh there was some uh changes that need to 23 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:04,320 be made on this so we follow proper protocol 24 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:14,960 um as far as dates and so on. So they're going to resubmit in October. 25 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:20,880 Okay. Uh secondly, make note uh citizens that uh we will have a closed session 26 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:27,759 this evening. There might be a decision made after close session but uh I don't 27 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:34,160 have my crystal balls so I can't tell you and uh so just want to let you know. 28 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,160 Okay. Alrighty. 29 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:44,000 All right. Council, that covered all, you think? 30 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:48,160 » Thank you. Uh, council, do I have a motion to approve the regular agenda 31 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,800 with the change? >> So, move. 32 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:54,560 » Have a second. >> Second. 33 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,080 » Any discussion? >> Okay. Cat 34 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:56,880 » I. >> David. 35 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,840 » I. >> Wayne. 36 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,560 » I. >> Doug. 37 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,440 » Hi. >> Melissa. Hi. 38 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:06,720 » Okay. [clears throat and cough] Consent agenda. Monthly department 39 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:13,120 reports 2026 August purchasing policy fireworks 40 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:20,080 approval country club go bond project list update we removed art the park if 41 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:23,759 it's not on there and TDA board vacancy advertisement. Do I have a motion to 42 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:25,840 approve? >> So moved. I 43 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:30,000 » have a second. Second. >> Okay. Normally no discussion on consent. 44 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,960 How do you vote? Cat. >> Hi, 45 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:32,479 » David. >> Hi, 46 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,280 » Wayne. >> Hi, 47 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,800 » Doug. >> Hi, 48 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,800 » Melissa. All right. Okay. Public comments. 49 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:55,520 I know most of you did not come tonight to see your beautiful council and your 50 00:06:50,880 --> 00:07:01,120 mayor. So, if you're here to speak on uh the stop signs, it's not a public 51 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:06,800 hearing, but you can speak during the three minutes if you wish. So, 52 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:14,360 uh let's see. Bob Hartull, 53 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,360 how you doing, Bob? 54 00:07:15,039 --> 00:07:21,120 » If you would just state your name and address for the record, 55 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:25,360 » just like in front of the grand jury. Um, [laughter] 56 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:32,000 my name is Robert Hartnett. I live in 180 Twin Springs Road and I have done so 57 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:40,080 for 44 years. I realized the other day I'm here for the stop sign information. 58 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:50,400 The new h the house that was formerly owned by the Dun is under construction 59 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:57,440 to build a big um back apartment. Therefore, all the employees are working 60 00:07:53,759 --> 00:08:04,960 parking on the street. Therefore, we are practically a one- lane road right at 61 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:13,360 the corner. So my suggestion is that either we create two things that they at 62 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:20,560 least have to park two car lengths back from the corner cuz as you come uh down 63 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:27,039 from Laurel Park, [cough] you can't see what's there. In fact, yesterday or a 64 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:33,680 day before yesterday, Gigi and I were in tandem by happens and a 65 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:40,719 worker who was in a hurry to get home, I guess, to his family 66 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:46,800 sped by broke out from a parking space and he could not have been that much. 67 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:53,120 I I did not have time to salute him with a single finger, but I tried and then he 68 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:59,760 was gone before. But I'm still aware of where he is. So my suggestion is if you 69 00:08:56,959 --> 00:09:04,880 either stop sign or a no parking sign for that two and that will solve part of 70 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:07,839 the problem. There's some that think it's more of a problem than I do. That's 71 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:13,040 my only suggestion. >> Bob, for the record, uh which location 72 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:19,680 are you speaking of for the stop signs? Oh, Laurel Park and and Twin and um 73 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,560 Dogwood. Okay. >> Oh, I thought I didn't realize there 74 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:28,399 were more. >> Thank you, sir. 75 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:34,720 » All right. Jim Butler. >> Hey, Jim. 76 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:39,279 » I'm Jim Butler, 177 Dogwood Lane. Occasionally, I agree with Bob. Not 77 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:44,959 tonight. I'm here to oppose the stop sign. uh 78 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:49,200 that's proposed. It's unnecessary. It's unwarranted and it's inconsistent with 79 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:56,560 North Carolina DOT regulations and requirements for the installation of an 80 00:09:52,160 --> 00:10:01,680 AWS and allway stop. So here we have one road which goes up to Main Street which 81 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:07,920 is Laurel Park. Dogwood Lane tease into it. Uh my wife's family has lived in 82 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:13,760 that particular location since 1972. We purchased the house some 24 years ago. 83 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:20,000 There's never been a single accident at that intersection. And so what I always 84 00:10:16,959 --> 00:10:24,880 defer to is what does the law say? And North Carolina DOT is the one that sets 85 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:30,160 up requirements. And what they require is an engineering evaluation of the 86 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:35,360 intersection which is an analysis of traffic volumes, crash history, site 87 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:39,680 distance, and you performed then a field investigation and you render your 88 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:44,560 engineering report at the proposed location and volume is low. There's no 89 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:49,839 history of crashes. There's adequate site distance. There is the cost to the 90 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:54,480 town of putting up signs and maintaining them. There's a cost to the traveling 91 00:10:52,079 --> 00:11:01,519 public of the burden of the stop sign that's totally unnecessary and unlawful 92 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:06,640 under how North Carolina applies the the federal manual. Believe it or not, there 93 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:11,519 is a federal manual of uniform traffic control devices that determines whether 94 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:16,959 an intersection is appropriate for an all-way stop. The all-way stop is 95 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:21,120 appropriate if you've had and crashes is the number one item. if you've had four 96 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:26,480 crashes within 12 months at that location or five crashes within 36 97 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:32,240 months. The other characteristic that's used is volume. You look at the volume 98 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:38,720 which includes all cars, all trucks, all pedestrians, all bicyclists, and it 99 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:43,200 needs to exceed 300 units per hour on an 8 hour average. You couldn't get that 100 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:47,680 many people on Dogwood Lane and Laurel Park after the parade. 101 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:50,800 So again, it's unnecessary. We're contravening what the appropriate 102 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:56,399 standards are that are applied in North Carolina and I request it to be either 103 00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:00,480 tabled until you can do an engineering study or turn down. 104 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:02,320 » Once again, would you please state the streets you're speaking of for the 105 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:08,160 record? >> Dogwood Lane and Laurel Park. 106 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:11,800 » Thank you so much. Appreciate it. >> Miss Jenny Miller. 107 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:27,440 Yes. Um, my name is Jenny Miller. I live at 490 Go Forth Road. Thank you, town 108 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:32,959 manager, mayor, and city council for listening to me and to the public. I'm 109 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:37,920 here to ask that a task force 110 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:40,800 um be created maybe through the town council or appointed by the town 111 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:45,600 manager, [clears throat] however it's deemed necessary to look at an ordinance 112 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:51,760 that would ban feeding of the deer in the town limits to Blowing Rock. Um on a 113 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:56,320 recent doctor visit, my I have an internist, she said, "Jenny, we've had 114 00:12:53,360 --> 00:13:02,320 hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Lyme tick disease and um blowing and um 115 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:06,959 Rocky Mountain." And the and the third one that bites you and then you can't 116 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:11,040 eat meat, that one is even being tested for up here right now because the ticks 117 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:16,399 are coming down from the north and that's the last one to come down, but 118 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:21,360 it's here. And feeding the deer just invites more ticks. And the deer have 119 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:25,600 plenty to eat. You know, they can go into the woods. They can go into the n 120 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:31,279 they can go into mother nature. Oh, I should be talking to you. They should 121 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:36,399 they can go into um the woods. But a little town, I think it was Edon, North 122 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:42,320 Carolina, um they they did a ban on deer and the um bird feeders because of the 123 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:47,279 deer and the bear. They banned the bird feeders. And I know that would be a huge 124 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:52,079 protest in this town, but they had an overabundance of bear and now they have 125 00:13:49,839 --> 00:13:56,160 not had one bear in five years because there are just no bird feeders. So the 126 00:13:53,839 --> 00:14:01,680 bears don't come in. And then the second one is the ordinance with the um deer 127 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:05,440 with um feeding the deer. if you know maybe somebody could um make it a point 128 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:12,160 to look into that or form a committee or something but it might not be going on a 129 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:17,360 lot but I see enough of it to warrant you know some questions. So that's it 130 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:24,440 and um thank you for listening. >> Thank you Miss Miller. Thank you 131 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,440 » Will Miller. 132 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:29,904 It must be Miller night. It's Miller time. [laughter] 133 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:40,480 You okay, Wayne? Uh uh thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. Um I'm coming to 134 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:45,199 speak about the other intersection um with a different um point of view. This 135 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:49,920 is Yeah, this is a >> where Country Club Lane dead ends and I 136 00:14:47,839 --> 00:14:56,880 guess it goes left and right goes down to the Country Club Lakehouse. Um, I 137 00:14:53,519 --> 00:15:01,120 think that's on the agenda. And, um, Jim just really ruined everything I was 138 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:05,839 going to say over here with his legal, but sometimes you you can do go with an 139 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:10,959 objective and sometimes subjective. He's talking subjective. This is objective. 140 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:15,839 Um, because the club has opened up the lakehouse facility uh, for a lot more 141 00:15:14,079 --> 00:15:19,519 use, lunch, dinner, and everything. And I think if you have further questions 142 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:23,600 about this, I think Paul Beavenzy, the managers, club manager here, he could 143 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:28,079 speak to it, but it's you that there's a ton of more traffic in the last year 144 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:33,519 going through that intersection. Right now, [clears throat] it's it's a T 145 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:38,880 intersection with only one stop sign. And the the stop sign that's there is 146 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:42,399 hardly visible and it's not if I was going to put one anywhere, I wouldn't 147 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:45,760 have put it there. But that said, there's a lot of stuff going traffic 148 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,680 coming through there. I don't think would show up on any vehicle count 149 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:56,639 because so much of it is golf cart traffic. Um at some point in time, uh if 150 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,560 we don't really sign and put signs up, there should be three stop signs and 151 00:15:58,079 --> 00:16:05,120 maybe a stop ahead sign on country club just to let people know because a lot of 152 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:09,440 people come through there aren't um don't live here. They're coming here for 153 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:13,519 weddings or or receptions or you name it and they're [clears throat] just unaware 154 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:19,839 because there's no signage. um at some point there is going to be an 155 00:16:15,839 --> 00:16:24,560 accident where a car and a um golf cart um get together and that won't be good 156 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:28,880 for the people in the golf cart. So I I would hope that the that the police and 157 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:33,839 the and the first responders would really be in favor of this idea u 158 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:40,000 because I don't think any one of us want to make a decision or or lack making a 159 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:46,959 decision that might save a life. Thank you. Well, if you would uh I don't think 160 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:51,519 you live with uh Wayne Miller. Could you state your address? 161 00:16:48,079 --> 00:16:55,316 » Yeah, I'm sorry. 370 Wonderland Drive. >> Um but I'd like to live with Wayne. 162 00:16:53,296 --> 00:16:55,316 [laughter] 163 00:16:55,519 --> 00:17:03,120 » All right. Um and since we're going forward, would the general manager of 164 00:17:00,959 --> 00:17:08,520 the Bo Country Club, Paul, would you like to say something for a minute or 165 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,520 two? 166 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:20,079 Good evening everyone. Paul Benzi, >> which address would you like? 167 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,799 » 2001. Okay. >> 200 drive. 168 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:29,039 » Okay. >> Uh I I do not live there. I work there. 169 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:34,160 » Um the lakehouse opened this past season uh after a remodel and a refresh and so 170 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:38,640 it has revitalized, rejuvenated what we are doing down there. Uh it is a 171 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:44,400 seasonal operation open from Memorial Day to Labor Day. Um with no real 172 00:17:41,919 --> 00:17:49,039 operation outside of that uh outside of that time frame. 173 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:52,880 The lunch service down there is six days a week with dinner service 4 days a 174 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:58,480 week. We did have a couple of pre-season or 175 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:04,000 you know pre-opening uh receptions down there and a couple of 176 00:18:01,679 --> 00:18:09,280 postseason receptions that we have planned for this upcoming year. So I 177 00:18:05,679 --> 00:18:13,440 think it's four non-member wedding style uh rehearsal dinner style events. Uh the 178 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:18,640 majority of the traffic that we do see through that area is obviously members. 179 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:25,280 Uh so it is repeat traffic. about a third to maybe a half of that traffic 180 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:30,880 would be golf cart traffic. Uh not u car traffic. 181 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:36,160 And um I would say on average our lunch volume down there is [clears throat] 182 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:43,360 predominantly golf cart traffic with 60 to 70 diners per meal period with our 183 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:50,799 dinner averages about 110 to 120 per evening down there. Um again, um 184 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:57,120 predominantly cart traffic, obviously weather dependent. If if it's raining, 185 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,480 the car traffic gets much higher. Good. 186 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,880 » Thank you, Paul. >> Thank you. 187 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:08,559 Okay, I guess we'll move on here. Thank you 188 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:13,679 everyone for your comments. Uh this is a presentation from Foothills 189 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:17,880 Consery and Andrew Cota. 190 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:26,080 » Welcome. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and members of the 191 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:30,720 council. My name is Shane Pris. I live at 208 Sherwood Place, Morgan, North 192 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:34,400 Carolina. Um I realized I thought I was in the right town, but um when I saw our 193 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:38,799 former finance director, but I realized we were just borrowing her from you all. 194 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,559 So um glad to see that. Andrew, how's Andrew doing? 195 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,840 » He's doing great. Um >> Oh, there he is. 196 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:48,240 » Andrew is joining us as well. Um I'll be giving the presentation today um on 197 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:53,360 behalf of the organization. Um what we're here to talk to you about tonight 198 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:58,480 is giving you all an update on our uh study that we've done for a potential 199 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:03,840 public trail on the 330 acre property we conserved adjacent to the Blowing Rock 200 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:07,520 attraction. U but I'll step back a little bit. Um we are Foothills 201 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:13,919 Conservancy of North Carolina. We are a 501c3 nonprofit land trust. Our job is 202 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:18,400 to conserve and protect special places and land and water resources in our 203 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:23,919 8ount service area that includes Cwell County and comes right up to the edge of 204 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:28,720 Blowing Rock and into it. Um specifically, uh if you mind advancing 205 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:34,320 the slide, um we have over the last 30 years uh conserved almost 75,000 acres. 206 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:38,320 And this is my favorite number because every time I put it on a slide, it's 207 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:42,080 already out of date. Um, that means that we're working hard for you all to keep 208 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,440 this place special. Um, as you know, it all is. And a lot of people who've been 209 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:51,679 here a long time, it is a special place. Um, and we live in a special region. But 210 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:57,280 we want to talk specifically about um, our property here in the Blowing Rock 211 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:00,960 community, our 330 acre John's River Headarters Preserve. That means that 212 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:06,000 it's something that the conservancy is going to own. um in perpetuity so that 213 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:10,000 we can manage it and protect it and ideally eventually have a level of 214 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:14,880 public access to it because we think that it's really important that people 215 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:19,280 be connected to the almost 75,000 acres and soon to be almost 78,000 acres of 216 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:24,320 land that we've conserved. So this property is really special. Um it's got 217 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:28,880 a bunch of source water for um that flows into the Kataba. Over 3 million 218 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:33,520 people rely on it. Um it is spectacularly beautiful. Um, as you 219 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:37,760 drive into town, um, you notice you look off to the left where Wheelies used to 220 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:42,000 be and you see nothing except for you see everything. And the idea is that 221 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:46,080 that is how it's going to look forever. Um, that's what we want. And when you 222 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:50,799 get down in the property, it is even more spectacular. Um, there are really 223 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:55,600 exciting things in the property. Um, if you mind going back a slide, I want to 224 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:59,520 point out some um, 225 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:04,880 it's okay. um want to point out a few things about the property particularly 226 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:09,840 um where it is situated on the land. Um so one thing that we do want to um point 227 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:16,320 out specifically on this is that you can see that it is pretty landlocked um with 228 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:21,919 other properties. Uh we have one public access point on this whole project and 229 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:26,000 you can see it is up on Pinnacle A. um it does abut the national forest but 230 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:31,520 does not directly connect with Globe Road and that is important when we were 231 00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:36,320 considering how to get the public in and out of this property. Access is one of 232 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:39,520 the most important things um that how are people going to come and go um where 233 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,360 we're going to bring them in. We looked at the forest service but their priority 234 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:47,600 right now is recovering from the hurricane Helen damage that is they are 235 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,640 five years out from having a conversation about anything new. not 236 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,240 doing anything new, having a conversation about it. They have a lot 237 00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:57,840 of work to do. Um, and we are helping them in some capacities with other 238 00:22:55,679 --> 00:23:02,640 nonprofits in the organization, but it rebuilding our infrastructure will take 239 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,919 time. So, we went and did this study. I took a look at it. I had some concepts, 240 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:11,120 but you said, "Hey, let's get a second opinion. Let's hire Nature Trails LLC, 241 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:14,880 um, a reputable um, recognized trail firm that works in North Carolina. It's 242 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:19,440 based out of North Carolina." and they did the trail study on the next slide as 243 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:23,600 well as flagging on the ground. And that's an important step to tell us 244 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:28,720 where the flagging um flagging tells you where the trail is going to be. Thank 245 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:34,880 you. And um as you can see, we thought that the upper portion of the property 246 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:40,080 is much more suitable for a positive um environmentally sustainable trail 247 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:43,760 experience. And with that comes the access question. And the question we're 248 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:48,000 here to present to you tonight um and looking for help is getting people in 249 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:52,559 and out. As you can see up in the corner there where it says Cliff Drive right 250 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:58,559 there is um the one point where this property touches road and has legal road 251 00:23:55,919 --> 00:24:04,400 access. So that presents us with kind of two options. One is go through a 252 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:08,880 reszoning process for a small parking lot. That is not necessarily ideal 253 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:12,559 situation for us. Um it is in a neighborhood. It doesn't have a lot of 254 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:17,919 space and like most of the properties here in Blowing Rock it goes downhill 255 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:24,159 pretty quickly. So at best maybe five cars more likely three. An alternative 256 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:29,840 that we're looking at is we call it at grade um access point. So that would be 257 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:33,440 along DOT right ofway. It would be connecting in with the existing sidewalk 258 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:38,640 system which at this point is on the far side of 321 which there are some 259 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:43,360 existing crossings already um by the end in other places could potentially be 260 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:48,000 another one for this but sidewalk coming up to that point as well is another 261 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:51,840 option. There are possibly other alternatives that we have not thought of 262 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:55,840 yet. Um so if you don't mind advancing the next slide. Thank you. 263 00:24:53,679 --> 00:25:00,799 um we want to present our information to you all and really open up for questions 264 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:04,480 and um seek help. We have not moved forward with fundraising or anything 265 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:09,440 past the point of doing a basic trail study which was funded by some partners 266 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:13,279 and interested um parties into looking into this so that we can have these 267 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:16,960 conversations well before we talk about the next steps. So want to thank you so 268 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,799 much for your time. I know you have a big packed agenda today. So, um, really 269 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,799 want to open up to any questions that, um, we can talk about and, um, present 270 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:29,320 this idea to you and further conversations in the future. Thank you. 271 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:37,840 » Do you uh do you have a timeline established? 272 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:42,640 » Uh, at this stage, no. Um, we really do need to figure out the access question 273 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:47,520 of what's the best way to go forward. Um, and we haven't delved into that too 274 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:51,679 deeply other than from the trail study to say that this is likely the best 275 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:58,240 access point that we have um, legal right to. 276 00:25:54,799 --> 00:26:03,440 » Does this encompass uh, Cherry Tree Holler right there at the base of what 277 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,320 was canyons at the end of the parking lot? 278 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:10,640 » Yes, it does. So, um I believe we owned that property before um we purchased 279 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:16,159 this second larger property um when it was available for protection. So, we've 280 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:19,799 added to that and the uh um uh conservation holdings. 281 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:29,679 » So, essentially your request, what you're looking at doing, if I may 282 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:35,279 council, um is making a trail head up above canyons, the old canyons. Is that 283 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:41,919 correct? Um, that is a possibility, Mr. Mayor. Um, we're looking for solutions 284 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:46,880 of what's the best way um for the community to get people in and out of 285 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:50,760 this if we are to develop public access into this property. 286 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:57,440 » Um, that would have to be reszoned, would it 287 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:02,159 not, Kevin? 288 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:06,919 for I don't know. 289 00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:06,919 » Okay. 290 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,240 » And >> say the Forest Service is not 291 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:15,440 cooperating much for Globe Road. >> I I wouldn't say that they're 292 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:19,679 uncooperative. I would say that they have a massive they're they have a lot 293 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:25,120 of priorities that come far before talking to us about this one. 294 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:29,039 » Um but yes, Mr. Mayor, that is one of the possibilities. The other would be 295 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:33,919 some sort of sidewalk or interconnection with parking um at another location for 296 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:39,600 people who are interested in visiting the property. Um we don't have um 297 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,880 particular plans in one way or another. That's why we wanted to present it to 298 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:47,039 the community to see what is the best option for everyone collectively and 299 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:51,039 what do we feel is is the right option for the community to move forward and 300 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:56,679 look at pursuing um at that point. So that's why we want to present it to you 301 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,679 and the group as a whole. 302 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:09,919 I think we would have to rely on trail engineering experts obviously. I 303 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:14,559 mean that is a very dangerous property I would think for the public to access. 304 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:20,799 Um, >> I mean I I don't know all the entry 305 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:24,080 point or possible entry points, but >> I can tell you without a trail, yes, I 306 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:29,039 agree fully it would be a dangerous property access having done it several 307 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:35,120 times myself um and slid down mostly. Um, we would have um I have been working 308 00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:39,760 for 16 years in this field. So, um, feel comfortable with also the design that we 309 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:44,399 hired from another professional firm to do that we could build a sustainable 310 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,440 safe experience out there. It would still be rugged. It is quite a rugged 311 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,279 property. That's why it goes straight down the hill, but we would do so in a 312 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,440 way that would meet all of the applicable trail standards and be safe 313 00:28:53,120 --> 00:29:00,159 for the public to access when we were ready to open it. 314 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:05,679 » Okay. So essentially the only access from the town of Blowing Rock would be 315 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:10,159 that location uh because otherwise you're bordered by 316 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:11,760 private property. Correct. 317 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:16,960 » That is correct. >> Okay. Or Globe Road 318 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:20,880 » which would be through the Forest Service and also put you at the bottom 319 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:25,600 of the property. And we did feel that the top was more suitable um just from 320 00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:31,360 what you can see there. The way the rivers lay a lot less rodendrin 321 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,200 um and it it it's a bit of a slog to get from the bottom to the top I'll tell 322 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,745 you. So >> going down is not a problem. I'm just 323 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,745 wondering [laughter] 324 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,960 » I'm invite Andrew up to help answer some questions as well. 325 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:50,600 » How much is actually in the city limits of Born Rock? 326 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,000 in the city. >> Hi, thanks for having us. 327 00:29:53,760 --> 00:30:00,880 » Doug had a question for you, Andrew. >> I um how much of the property is in the 328 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:05,120 city limits? I'm not sure of the exact acreage, but we know that the the 329 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:12,399 northern sliver of the property is encompassed by the uh Blowing Rock city 330 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:16,559 limits. Um, and our our our conundrum is that we 331 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:22,320 have good legal access to the property along 332 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:30,080 Pinnacle Avenue, but that that site or that lot is insufficient for a public 333 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:34,559 access trail head parking area. So, how do we safely get people to that 334 00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:39,440 location? And we think it would be meaningful coming from town to allow 335 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:45,919 people to to explore along the the the sidewalk system from downtown out 336 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:51,919 towards 321, you know, to in in the uh uh the direction of Green Park area and 337 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:57,200 cross at the old restaurant and up up the hill along Pinnacle to get onto the 338 00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:01,600 property itself. So it would connect it would connect that that preserve to the 339 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:08,320 town, provide another option for the public to um to have outdoor recreation 340 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:13,760 experience close to town. Um uh much like Glenn Bernie in the other 341 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:18,640 direction. Uh but you know getting from there's not a crossing there's not a 342 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:25,039 safe crossing across 321 from the existing sidewalk to Pinnacle and to the 343 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:30,720 lot with the the former restaurant area. So that's that's really what 344 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:36,720 our our question our conundrum is in you know getting people onto the the 345 00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:41,760 tractive land safely. Um and I you know will mention the support that we 346 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:45,840 received from from the Blowing Rock community to be able to purchase and 347 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:50,960 permanently protect this this tract of land a few years ago. It was 348 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:55,360 overwhelming support um from many people in this room that helped raise millions 349 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:59,039 of dollars essentially to ma help match some of the the state funded grant 350 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:03,840 sources that we brought to to this project. And um you know at that time we 351 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:09,120 had we had discussed with those supporters our our willingness and and 352 00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:14,559 ability to to pursue a public trail project on the property as as you've 353 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:18,720 seen and we've done pretty extensive um uh surveying of the land with with 354 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:23,600 professionals and Shane is one of those professionals. Um so we know that this 355 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:27,919 is possible but it's it's the it's the the point of access that is challenging 356 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:33,039 at this point. So, we're hopeful that the the town would recognize this, 357 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:39,039 acknowledge this, and maybe support some type of solution. Uh, work with us on 358 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:45,240 some type of solution. council. My recommendation I think would be that um 359 00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:52,799 that they need to get with our zoning department, [clears throat] 360 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:59,360 get clearance there and recommendations from our zoning and planning 361 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:07,760 and come back with a plan uh on where exactly 362 00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:12,640 um and if you decide you're you're going going to need some kind of access for 363 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:16,960 emergency vehicles at least up top. Am I >> not? I'd also have them talk with Chief 364 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:21,600 Graham. >> Have them talk with Chief GR. 365 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:26,240 » I think I you know that's just my take on it council. I think that guys need to 366 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:35,440 come up with a firm plan and then come back talk to zoning planning 367 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:40,960 our our chief fire chief. Uh because as Doug can relate to, Doug when he was 368 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:45,919 chief, he made many trips down Glenn Bernie Trail of which he didn't really 369 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:49,600 want to do, but he had to to bring people out. 370 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:54,320 » We went down through Tree Holler, too. So, it's a it's steep down through 371 00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:00,559 there. >> And no, no matter how 372 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:04,000 what good physical shape people are in, somebody can always trip. 373 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:08,320 » Yes. And so >> that's just my thought council. I mean 374 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:11,639 you all feedback from you guys. I >> Great suggestion. 375 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:20,399 » How long would this trail be? >> Approximately three miles in length. 376 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:24,320 » Is it an out and back or a >> It's a It's a loop loop system. 377 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:27,119 » Okay. >> Yeah. You got to come back up that hill. 378 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,480 » Yes. >> Okay. [laughter] 379 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:33,839 » You're not installing a chair lift, are you? 380 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,839 » No. Again. 381 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:42,240 You had mentioned five parking spaces. Does is that adequate for your needs or 382 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:47,599 is that just what you think you can support there? 383 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,919 » Councilman, that was just a off the napkin, back of the napkin kind of 384 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:58,720 estimate. I would say three to five maybe. um is just it's not a very wide 385 00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:04,640 parcel and there's not a lot of room to go uh deep into it before it kind of 386 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:08,720 tapers off. Um so I more to make a point of not very many and especially if 387 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:13,440 you're trying to provide um some space specifically for emergency access as 388 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:17,359 well that would take one or two out um just from the off the top. 389 00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:22,960 » Okay. Thank you. What worries me there is as it grows more popular is that 390 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,200 » that may not be enough, >> right? 391 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:32,480 » You know, and and then do you have room there to 392 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:35,040 enlarge without getting on private properties? 393 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:39,280 » Yeah, that's a good question. We haven't done an engineering or design study for 394 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:44,160 parking and I think that's one of the suggestions. 395 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:47,520 um and and having access to the planning department or at least you know the 396 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:52,560 ability to set up a meeting to start speaking with emergency management 397 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:58,880 services so we can evaluate that area. Um but we don't think that it 398 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:05,200 will be sufficient for if it grows in popularity which it it very well could. 399 00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:09,359 Um it it's a spectacular area and and anything engineered, a trail, an 400 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:14,800 approach that would be engineered to get down into the the tract of land would be 401 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:19,920 um you know an expensive endeavor but something that safety would be you know 402 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:25,359 uh at the top of the list to to ensure for the public. Um but it is a spec it 403 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:30,480 would be a spectacular experience for the public for years to come and that's 404 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:35,119 really what we're what we're going for here. So, 405 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,320 » looks like you got about a third of an acre to work with up there. 406 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:41,520 » I I think that's >> before it really gets steep. 407 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,520 » Yeah, that's probably about right. >> That seem about right. 408 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:51,839 » I think the that entire parcel is about three acres in size, but like you 409 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:57,520 mentioned, we may have an acre uh at most that's relatively level before the 410 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,920 land drops off. >> Okay. 411 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,880 » Y'all good with that? >> Yes, sir. So, yeah, get with planning, 412 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:09,359 zoning, Kevin Rothrock, get with our uh public safety, 413 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:14,880 uh coordinate with Alice, >> and uh come up with a plan that uh can 414 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,119 be brought back to council for further review. 415 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,720 » Okay. Thank you all. >> Thanks for everything. Appreciate it. 416 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:31,680 » All righty. Okay. This next session is a public 417 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:36,640 hearing. Ordinance 20265, revision of land use code parking 418 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,960 requirements to parking recommendations. Kevin Rothrock. 419 00:37:40,431 --> 00:37:42,451 [clears throat] 420 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:53,520 » Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um, bringing before you tonight a u a draft 421 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:58,320 ordinance. Uh the unique thing about it is that 422 00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:07,200 we're a little bit ahead and and not reacting to to issues. But uh this 423 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:12,320 ordinance is to revise our land use code parking requirements 424 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:18,240 uh to make those parking recommendations. 425 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:23,040 Uh in this year, the North Carolina General Assembly ratified House Bill 426 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:27,920 162, which made significant changes to local parking regulations. 427 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,520 So on January 1st of this coming year, local governments can no longer require 428 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:35,839 minimum off street parking standards for any new development. Instead, property 429 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,520 owners and developers will have the option to choose the number of parking 430 00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:44,640 spaces they deem appropriate to satisfy their proposed development needs. Local 431 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,320 ordinances still can still regulate minimum parking space dimensions, 432 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,640 parallel parking space dimensions, and parking lot aisle and circulation 433 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:56,720 configurations. In anticipation of this new prohibition, 434 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,880 the following draft ordinance is hereby submitted to correct the land use 435 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:07,280 ordinance consistent with North Carolina law. The table of parking regulations 436 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:11,839 has been changed to recommendations and moved to an appendix appendix H if 437 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:17,839 developers choose to use the current parking ratios as a guide. 438 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:22,079 Um we presented this to planning board in August and they recommended approval 439 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:26,720 of the draft ordinance with some clerical clerical modifications 440 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,560 and those have been reflected in this in this draft ordinance before you. In 441 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,560 addition, the plan board asked that staff consult with the town attorney to 442 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:40,320 see whether loading zones could be eliminated from that ordinance. And uh 443 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:45,599 in talking with Joey uh last week uh he his understanding was 444 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:49,200 that requiring off- streetet loading zones would be inconsistent with the new 445 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:54,000 state law. So the draft ordinance removes that requirement as well for um 446 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,320 loading zones, off- streetet loading zones. 447 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:03,040 Uh, I want to point out too the land use code or any land use code changes in 448 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:07,839 North Carolina must have a statement of uh, consistency related to the town's 449 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:11,520 comprehensive plan, land use plan, whatever it may be called, depending on 450 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:15,119 the jurisdiction. The ordinance is not required to be 451 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:20,480 consistent with that comp plan, not in North Carolina, but there has to be a 452 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:27,119 statement that acknowledges the plan. um this particular ordinance 453 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:32,079 from the staff uh opinion is that it's inconsistent with our comprehensive plan 454 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:37,440 um but it's consistent with the state law and so I reflected that in the first 455 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:41,119 in the opening uh preamble of the ordinance there 456 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:45,440 uh the sixth one down it says this 457 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:50,640 ordinance and the amendments herein as as proposed are inconsistent with the 458 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:55,680 2024 comprehensive a plan update including the following plan objectives. 459 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:59,839 One or a uh review and amend parking recommendations requirements, excuse me, 460 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,880 established in lane use code, including parking standards, provisions for 461 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:07,440 satellite parking and similar requirements to ensure that parking is 462 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:11,680 adequately addressed. And parking is something we talk about all the time. We 463 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:15,440 don't have enough parking. Uh, 464 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,800 another item of the comprehensive plan, study park and performance standards for 465 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,560 all short-term rental and lodge uses. And we we had done that when we made 466 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:26,880 some changes a few years ago for short-term rentals. And then C, 467 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,880 implement the recommendations of the downtown park and management study and 468 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:38,800 update the study regularly to incorporate changes over time. So 469 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:44,319 these items um show that this ordinance would be inconsistent with our comp plan 470 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:49,440 from the staff's opinion. Uh it would be dependent on you if you agree with that. 471 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:55,280 Um but although inconsistent with our comp plan, it would be consistent with 472 00:41:51,280 --> 00:42:00,720 state law. Um after the planning board um 473 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,920 after their decision to move forward with the draft ordinance, we made a few 474 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:12,240 additional staff changes uh minor. I wanted to point those out. As as I said, 475 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:17,839 we moved appendix H uh moved the recommendations into one 476 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:22,880 table. Uh we had two. We had a parking table for 477 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:26,400 downtown and the and the town center and then we had a separate parking table for 478 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:32,480 everything else. So, we've combined them just into one and left it um 479 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,280 the one that was for everything else. And we made a few other changes. One, we 480 00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:41,760 removed the uses that are not currently allowed in our land use code. So, we 481 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,520 just struck those out. That was colleges and drive-ins, racetracks, and 482 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:50,160 scrapyards. We don't allow those in anywhere in town. there is a place for 483 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:54,560 them. We don't allow them. And so there was a parking requirement for those 484 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:58,480 uses, but we just struck those out. And the other thing is that the 485 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:05,200 recommendation was for restaurant parking from one space for every 100 486 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:10,720 square feet to one per 200. In downtown, it's one per 250. Out in general 487 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:15,040 business is one per 100. And uh staff recommendation was just to make that to 488 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:19,680 one to 200. Again, these are all recommendations. Developer does not have 489 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:27,079 to choose to go by that. They have the option to choose what how much parking 490 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,079 meets the needs that they are proposing. 491 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:35,040 » If that's not too confusing, I'll be glad to answer any question. [laughter] 492 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:38,359 » Okay, council. We're opening this up for public hearing. 493 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,680 Sure. 494 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:52,599 » Would any of the public like to speak on this matter? 495 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,599 » Um, 496 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:58,880 I guess it's pretty much I mean, we need to follow state guidelines. 497 00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:04,280 » It's all recommendation. >> If not, we're going to keep Joy busy all 498 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,280 the time. 499 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:10,720 » Okay. Do I have a motion to close the public hearing? move. 500 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:19,520 » I have a second. >> Second. 501 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:22,079 » Okay. Uh council thoughts, motions >> is 502 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:26,480 » motion. Yes. Yes, ma'am. >> We don't really have a choice. Right. 503 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:29,920 » Well, uh I just looked at it and the few people that signed off on that from the 504 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,480 state, I don't think we want to mess with. Okay. 505 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:36,480 » That's what I thought. [laughter] >> So, 506 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:40,720 » it was pretty divi, uh not divisive, decisive. Yeah, 507 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:44,960 » it was >> the House and Senate level 508 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,520 » pretty convincing. I don't think it's going to change. 509 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:52,480 » Pretty much nonpartisan from what I saw. >> Yeah. So, 510 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:54,640 » so I mean it doesn't seem like there's even 511 00:44:52,960 --> 00:45:00,000 » All we need is a motion from you, Melissa. 512 00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:05,839 » So, I move that we adopt the new ordinate parking ordinance as described. 513 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,960 Is that >> have a second? 514 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,800 Second. >> Any other discussion? Okay. Cat 515 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,240 » I. >> David. 516 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,760 » I >> I 517 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,760 » Okay. >> All right. 518 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:22,319 » Thanks, Kevin. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. 519 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:26,196 » When you figure all this out, will you call me? 520 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,196 » Yeah. [laughter] 521 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:41,119 » Alrighty. Let's see here. We're now into regular 522 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:47,640 agenda. wrong proclamation. H you know seems like just yesterday 523 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,640 but 524 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:56,160 Rahm is celebrating 15th anniversary 525 00:45:54,079 --> 00:46:00,960 that is the Bling Rock Art and History Museum. 526 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:05,599 So would you like to speak on something before I read the proclamation? 527 00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:10,560 Well, I think it's customary that I state my name and my address if that's 528 00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:16,160 correct, sir. That would be [laughter] >> Yes. I'm Steven Dragzik and I reside at 529 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:20,720 150 Celestial Drive here in Blenrock, North Carolina. And I am the Terresa and 530 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:25,440 Don Kane executive director for the Blowenrock Art and History Museum, but 531 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,960 our friends call us Braum. So, we are preparing on October the 1st to 532 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,599 celebrate our 15th anniversary here in the community. So, that is why I'm here 533 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:40,319 tonight. Thank you. Um, I will say that Braum 534 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:47,040 um have done a great job of promoting Blowing Rock for arts and history and I 535 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:53,440 I think Mr. Hardwood was involved early on and I think it says a lot for our 536 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:58,760 citizens support the community support. My hats off to you. So that being said, 537 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:06,880 okay, whereas Braum Blowing Rock Art and History Museum was created through the 538 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:11,680 vision, determination, generosity of community members who believe that art, 539 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:17,359 history, and cultural traditions of Blowing Rock and the surrounding region 540 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:22,640 served a permanent home. And whereas since opening its doors in 2011, Braum 541 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:27,119 has become an important cultural institution in the town of Blowing Rock, 542 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,880 preserving and sharing the stories of our community while presenting 543 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:36,560 exhibitions and programs that connect the high country with artists, ideas, 544 00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:43,040 and audiences from across North Carolina and beyond. And whereas Braum carries 545 00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:49,119 forward its mission to curate, preserve, educate, inspire, celebrating the artist 546 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:53,040 heritages of Appalachia while creating opportunities for new generations of 547 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:58,079 artists, students, residents, and visitors. And whereas through 548 00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:03,040 exhibitions, educational programs, lectures, performances, community 549 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:08,079 partnerships, and the preservation of its growing permanent collection, Braum 550 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:13,520 enriches the cultural life of Blowing Rock and contributes to the town's 551 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:18,640 identity as a destination for arts. And whereas Bron welcomes residents and 552 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:24,400 visitors with free admission, ensuring that art, history, creativity, and 553 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:30,079 learning remain accessible to the widest possible audience. And 554 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:36,960 whereas the museum's success over the past 15 years reflects the extraordinary 555 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:42,319 commitment of its founders, trustees, trustees, staff, volunteers, dosent, 556 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:48,559 artists, members, donors, community partners, and friends. And whereas as 557 00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:52,720 Braum celebrates his 15th anniversary in 2026, 558 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:58,880 the museum honors the people and stories that shape its first 50 years. while 559 00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:03,520 looking forward to its next chapter of service to Blowing Rock and the broader 560 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:08,640 high country. Now therefore, be it procla proclaimed that the mayor and 561 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:16,040 town council of town of Blowing Rock recognize and celebrate the 15th 562 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,040 anniversary of Braum. 563 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:23,920 Am I missing the page? >> Page two. 564 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:28,000 and recommend that the museum for 15 years of enriching our community through 565 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:33,680 art and history, education, creativity, and service be it further proclaimed 566 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:40,960 that October 1, 2026 be recognized in the town of Blowing Rock as Prom's 50th 567 00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:45,119 anniversary day, 15th anniversary day in celebration of this milestone in 568 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:49,119 appreciation of Brahm's continued contribution to the cultural life and 569 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:54,694 future of our community. Do you write that? 570 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,714 That's pretty good. [laughter] [applause] 571 00:50:05,174 --> 00:50:07,194 » [applause] 572 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:18,800 » I love >> mayor. If I could have a point of 573 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:23,599 privilege always. 574 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,520 » I want to recognize someone who's in our audience. Okay. 575 00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:33,200 » And she is not going to be happy about it, but on the back row is our the first 576 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,670 executive director of Braum, JOANNE MITCHELL. 577 00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:36,670 » [applause] 578 00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:51,920 » AND JOANNE singlehandedly wrestled this museum into being into 579 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:56,800 existence. sometimes strong arm, 580 00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:02,880 but uh the money that was raised to build 581 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:08,000 that building, to foster that dream, and to encourage people to believe in that 582 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:14,800 dream, uh rest squarely at Joanne Mitchell's 583 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:19,000 feet and um I want to just recognize her for that and thank her for that. 584 00:51:25,085 --> 00:51:27,105 » [applause] 585 00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:41,359 » I know [laughter] 586 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:48,160 because I came many times, Kevin, to this council, this room with other 587 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:52,559 members to uh plead our case for different 588 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:58,400 And I think it's about time for the town and the council to recognize the good 589 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:02,000 work that Stephen and many others have done since David and I started this 590 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,695 whole thing. >> Yes. 591 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:09,280 » So, thank you, David, that you are. [laughter] 592 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:14,960 » Nothing's changed. >> Thank you, Miss Mitchell. 593 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:22,000 All right. Thank you, Braing Rock Art History Museum. What was your 594 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:27,760 address again? Oh, good. That's good. Okay. Stop signs request. Laurel Lane, 595 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:34,960 Dogwood, and Country Club. Uh, Chief Nathan Kurt. Chief, 596 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:39,160 come on down. >> Good evening, Chief. 597 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,160 » Good evening, 598 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:50,880 » Mayor Council. I believe the agenda said Laurel Park 599 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:54,319 Road first. So, I'll start off with that staff recommendation. 600 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,800 Uh, the Blowing Rock Police Department recommends that the town council 601 00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,720 authorize the installation of a three-way stop at the intersection of 602 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,440 Laurel Park Road and Dogwood Lane. Specifically, the Blown Rock Police 603 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,880 Department recommends that stop signs be installed on the approaches to the 604 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:10,960 intersection as necessary to require vehicles traveling on Laurel Park Road 605 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:15,040 and Dogwood Lane to stop before entering the intersection, creating an all-way 606 00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:19,359 three-way stop configuration appropriate to the roadway layout. The intersection 607 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,720 of Laurel Park Road and Dogwood Lane is located within a residential area of 608 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:26,800 Blowing Rock and serves as an access point for residents, visitors, and other 609 00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:30,480 motorists traveling between Laurel Lane or excuse me, Laurel Park Road and 610 00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:35,280 Dogwood Lane. The town's previous traffic regulations identify Laurel Park 611 00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:40,079 Road northbound at Dogwood Lane as a yield intersection. A change was made 612 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:44,000 about 10 11 months ago to this intersection. Remove the yield sign and 613 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:47,280 replace it with a stop sign at Dogwood Lane. 614 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:51,200 The police department has reviewed the current traffic control configuration 615 00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:55,040 and believes that additional positive traffic control at this intersection 616 00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:59,119 would improve driver awareness, provide a clear rightway determination, and 617 00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:04,720 enhance overall safety for motorists, pedestrians, and nearby residents. 618 00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:07,440 Excuse me. And [clears throat] uh there's also a 619 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:12,800 signed petition out there from the residents wanting that. So, and I've 620 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:18,007 also seen videos from where they've taken it from motors coming on Laurel 621 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,319 Park and traveling [cough] around that [clears throat] retaining wall that's 622 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:26,480 right there and going into the opposite lane of travel. That also influenced our 623 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:31,440 uh recommendation on this one. The next recommendation 624 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:36,079 is for a three-way stop at Country Club Drive and Country Club Lane by the 625 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,880 Lakehouse driveway. The Blowing Rock Police Department 626 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,720 recommends against the installation of a three-way stop at this location where 627 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,000 Country Club Drive and Country Club Lane meet near the driveway providing access 628 00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:49,440 to the Blowing Rock Country Club Lakehouse. Currently, the lakehouse 629 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:53,839 driveway has a stop sign for traffic turning onto Country Club Drive or 630 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:57,760 Country Club Lane. After consideration of the roadway configuration, traffic 631 00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,480 movements, and the purpose of stop control devices, the police department 632 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,880 does not believe that the installation of an additional stop sign at this 633 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:08,559 location is warranted at this time. The department recommends maintaining the 634 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,680 existing traffic control configuration and continuing to monitor the 635 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,280 intersection for traffic conflicts, crashes, and other documented safety 636 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:19,200 concerns. The police department does also recommend that the dividing lines 637 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:24,160 be repainted to assist motorists with the proper deliation of the roadway. 638 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:29,839 They are quite faded down there on Country Club and Country Club Lane. I 639 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:34,480 also pulled the trash or crash data for both roads 640 00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:41,359 for the past six years. So on Country Club Drive, we have had one uh traffic 641 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:45,200 incident that was on March 2023. That was a FedEx truck. No other vehicles 642 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:49,440 were involved and it was weather related on a snow-covered road that day in 643 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:53,760 March. And then we had two other incidents uh on Country Club, but that 644 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:58,640 happened in the PVA, the country club, backed into another vehicle in 22. And 645 00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:03,920 then 21, the delivery truck actually hit the awning of the country club. 646 00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:08,559 And then Laurel Park and Dogwood, we had one recorded traffic incident within 647 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:12,400 this six uh six-year time frame. September of 2020, a truck and trailer 648 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:15,640 was backing out and hit a retaining wall down there. 649 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:24,160 » Council, keep in mind each one of these you'll need to vote on separately. Okay? 650 00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:27,359 So, keep that in mind. So, you address it how you wish. [snorts] 651 00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:32,480 » Chief, I have a question. >> Yes, ma'am. based on the crash data, 652 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:37,119 » why did you recommend one be approved and one not be approved? 653 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,920 » So, the reason I recommended the one on Laurel Park Road in Dogwood Lane, um, is 654 00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:45,040 because there's more information with that one. So, we've done traffic studies 655 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:50,400 down there. We've had officers down there dedicated. We've done checkpoints 656 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:54,000 to measure that. And seeing the videos where these cars are coming off, I don't 657 00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:57,599 think there's a safe way that you can do this where they're not crossing into the 658 00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:01,599 other lane of travel. So, they're going over the the dividing yellow line to 659 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:07,520 make that turn that's coming from Main Street and off of Laurel Park Road. Um, 660 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:12,400 and the signed petition that was provided from the community down there 661 00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:16,319 in favor for the three-way stop. The one on Country Club, I'll be honest with 662 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:20,799 you, I don't have a lot of data down there. Uh, this was the first that I've 663 00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:25,119 heard about this being an issue. Um, I wasn't aware that the lakehouse actually 664 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:29,359 opened up for all this new additional traffic and things like that for dinner 665 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:32,480 and lunch and things like that. So, I think that we should go forward and try 666 00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:36,559 to collect some more data and things like that. But, when I went down there 667 00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:39,920 and looked at the site, I mean, it's very hard to even see where the the 668 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:45,839 yellow dividing line is. So, I think that needs to be updated. 669 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:49,760 » But did you just say that Laurel >> that was on Country Club? I'm sorry. I 670 00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:52,720 mean, Country Club has had more accident more crashes in the last few years than 671 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:56,559 Laura. >> They both had one. Yeah. One pertaining 672 00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:02,020 to the roadway. >> Okay. 673 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:06,000 » Thank you. And currently at there is [snorts] a stop sign at Dogwood and 674 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:10,720 Laurel or not? >> So, yes, there is a stop sign at Dogwood 675 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:15,359 where it goes back into Laurel Park. It used to be a yield sign about 11 months 676 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:20,480 ago. I brought it before council then and we changed the yield sign to a stop 677 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:23,359 sign. So after that, we observed and the videos came in and things like that and 678 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,440 I talked to community members and they said that it's not working. So to safely 679 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,200 travel through that intersection, they would like a three-way stop. 680 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:34,640 » Thank you. >> You said this was signed by the 681 00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:39,240 residents >> of Laurel Park and Dogwood. 682 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,240 » Mhm. 683 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:51,599 Uh, Chief, do you know how many residences 684 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:57,760 in Laurel Park Dogwood area are full-time, permanent, full-time? 685 00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:01,280 » I do not have that information. It's 686 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:03,680 » I don't even want to take a guess at you. I could probably get that 687 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,520 information for you, though. >> I I have it. 688 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:16,480 » Perfect. [laughter] [clears throat] It's 11 689 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:25,599 out of 53 53 houses in that um I don't know which one area and um but out of 53 690 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:28,599 11 are full-time. So 691 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,359 it's not that many. It's not Yeah. 692 00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:46,400 Okay, council, would you like to weigh in on a decision 693 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:50,839 on the intersection of Laurel Park Road and Dogwood Lane first? 694 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:58,960 Would you like to make a motion to approve? 695 00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:03,040 We'll make a motion with >> I'll make a motion to approve. I mean if 696 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:04,319 the residents want it at least 697 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:10,680 » okay >> vote on can I ask a question 698 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,680 » what 699 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:17,680 » there's a misperception that the res >> you you can't when we're in session I'm 700 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:22,400 sorry that's that's why I gave you all the three minutes earlier 701 01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:28,240 » I have a question the chief how many residents signed the petition in favor 702 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:31,559 of this >> one Thank you. 703 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,040 » It's all for the same. >> Yeah. 704 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,599 So that's 27. 705 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,599 Except different. 706 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,640 I can't find 707 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,160 » We've got 79 signatures on this, Melissa. 708 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,240 » 79. >> 79. And that includes Twin Springs, I 709 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:32,960 believe, as well. >> Dogwood Lane, Laurel Park, Quail Hollow 710 01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:36,160 Drive, and Twin Springs. 711 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:40,079 » Okay, thank you. >> Okay, we have a motion on the table. Do 712 01:02:39,088 --> 01:02:44,319 [clears throat] we have a second? >> Wait a minute. What's the motion? 713 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:50,200 » To approve. >> Okay, 714 01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:50,200 » we have a second. 715 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:57,280 » Doug seconded. Any further discussion on this one? Okay. Cat. 716 01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,480 » No. >> David. 717 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,240 » I >> I 718 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,040 » I >> I 719 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:12,079 » Okay, the next one is Country Club. 720 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:18,079 So, do we have additional questions for the chief on Country Club Drive? 721 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:24,240 This is the line that I'm talking about here. This is your dividing line of the 722 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:28,880 road. presly that 723 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,160 » we ever get our new pan. >> Good. Okay. 724 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,920 » I also make a I'll make a motion on that. 725 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:38,319 » I'm sorry, Doug. Go ahead and hear you. >> I'll make a motion in favor of that. 726 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:43,039 » You make a motion in favor of the three-way stop at Country Club. Okay. Do 727 01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:45,520 we have a second? >> A second. 728 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,640 » We have a second. Any further discussion, council? 729 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:55,039 » Yes, ma'am. Does that need to be a three-way stop or 730 01:03:50,559 --> 01:04:00,240 just a one stop as you approach the >> at the end of Country Club? 731 01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:05,599 » So, so the way it is right now, give me some more reaching room here. There's 732 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:08,799 your stop sign. This is the the driveway >> that goes down to the lakehouse, right? 733 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:12,400 » So, you have a stop sign here. And the way this road is, it just continues 734 01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:16,240 around, >> comes up. So, this is the dividing line, 735 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:21,440 Country Club Drive. And then when you get down here, Country Club. 736 01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:26,480 » Okay. >> So, you're wanting to add a stop or 737 01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:31,119 Well, the proposal is to add another stop sign 738 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:33,839 » both directions on Country Club, >> correct? Or Country Club Drive, 739 01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:37,680 » right? >> That's what we're Yes. So, we want to 740 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:42,319 turn this into a three-way stop. My recommendation is not to turn it into a 741 01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:45,559 three-way stop at this time. Okay. >> Thank you. 742 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:53,200 Maybe I missed it, Chief, but could you elaborate on that decision? 743 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:57,520 » Yeah, David. So, the reason I made this decision is because the only data that I 744 01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:01,440 really have to go off of here is the very limited crash data I have for the 745 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:06,400 past six years. There was one traffic incident, and what that traffic incident 746 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:11,200 occurred was a FedEx truck came down and came to rest on that uh young lady's 747 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:15,520 timber right there in her little cart near. 748 01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:20,079 He came down snow covered road and he just kept going. 749 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:24,160 » So what what's precipitated this coming before us then? What's changed? Why is 750 01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:28,960 this here? >> It came up in a staff meeting. So I 751 01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:32,720 started looking into it. Someone reached out to me and said that they have asked 752 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:40,079 for this um that it was a safety issue that they asked before. Um including the 753 01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:45,280 council members um but it uh just never got formally I guess recommendation was 754 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:50,559 never formally made and council never formally considered it. So it was part 755 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:55,720 of a list of a list of things that were outstanding. 756 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,720 » I see. 757 01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:04,319 Personally, I almost feel like I would like to see 758 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:07,680 this with uh the line painted, you know, and let's see how that works. 759 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,520 » Mhm. >> And and 760 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:15,240 » the entire roadway is faded. >> Yeah. And now we do have a new paint 761 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:18,559 machine. I'm happy to announce. [laughter] 762 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:22,445 » I agree with you, David. When you look at that, 763 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:26,400 if you don't know which way. [clears throat] 764 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:32,240 Well, we have a first. We have a second in favor of it. Uh, how do we vote? Cat, 765 01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,400 » I. >> David, 766 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,319 » no. >> I 767 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,880 » I >> I 768 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:43,039 » Okay. And, 769 01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:47,359 uh, please make note on that, Hillary, in the minutes that the po the road 770 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:51,760 definitely needs realigning if you would. 771 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:54,799 » Thank you, Chief. Thank you. Okay. 772 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:59,000 All righty. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, 773 01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:06,839 » it's onet. 774 01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:28,480 All right, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to say our hearts and prayers 775 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:32,799 should go out to the 911 victims 25 years ago. 776 01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:39,599 Very unfortunate, very sad. It happened in many locations 777 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:44,960 as we all are aware. So keep your hearts and prayers mine for all those that were 778 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:52,160 lost and the families that are having to struggle. So, uh, that's it for me. C, 779 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:57,422 » we got a we got a little position reclassification. I got 780 01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:01,119 flustered with everybody leaving. Okay. [laughter] 781 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:07,319 » Okay. Sorry about that. Margaret, please come on up. Thank you guys. [laughter] 782 01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:07,319 I mean, I was already 783 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:13,200 » You're all done. I got it. >> Go ahead. It's all you. 784 01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:17,520 » Council, thank you for uh speaking with me this evening. I want to start off 785 01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:21,120 this position reclassification quest by uh thanking Holly Autry for her service. 786 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:25,040 She's been with the town for a number of years and we certainly appreciate 787 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:29,440 everything she's done. She started out part-time utilities and moved on 788 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:33,600 full-time and left for a bit and then came back to help us with the 789 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:36,480 receivables and the front desk. She's found another opportunity that she's 790 01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:40,640 really excited about and we're very happy for her. But we do want to thank 791 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:45,759 her for that and recognize what she's meant to this town and the service she's 792 01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:49,679 provided. Um, but with her leaving, it provided an opportunity for us to look 793 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:54,159 at our structure and maybe determine what might be the best way to refill 794 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:59,839 this position. And I would like to request we consider uh renaming it and 795 01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:06,159 reclassifying it to a full-time deputy finance officer. Doing this is going to 796 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:10,880 provide some significant change and strengthen the town's town's financial 797 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:14,480 operations, maintain compliance with North Carolina local government finance 798 01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:20,239 and payroll requirements. It's going to improve our internal controls and really 799 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:24,719 ensure some more accurate and timely financial transactions going on with the 800 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:29,759 town. I think this is a great opportunity to bring some real uh depth 801 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:36,080 and knowledge into the finance and administration area that I feel is 802 01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:40,480 needed. Um I put you several more comments in the memo and happy to read 803 01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:45,679 them to you, but I'm I'm also happy just to take any questions. 804 01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:48,640 » Questions, council. Do we have a motion to approve this 805 01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:51,120 position? >> So moved. 806 01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:56,800 » Do we have a second? >> Second. Any further discussion? 807 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,800 » Cat. >> I 808 01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:06,880 » Thank you, Margaret. Sorry about the delay. I got a little flustered. 809 01:10:05,803 --> 01:10:11,679 [laughter] >> You know, it uh I mean, these two these 810 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:17,360 two were supposed to kick me when I miss a section. Okay. Nobody kicked me. 811 01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:23,440 » All right. All right. Once again, thank you. Uh thank you, Margaret. And please, 812 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:27,600 let's keep those 9/11 victims and families in your prayers. 813 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,320 » Yes. >> Dad, got anything? 814 01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:31,600 » I have no comments. >> David, 815 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,159 » none for me. >> Wayne, 816 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:39,440 » Doug, uh, >> thank you, Doug. [laughter] 817 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:47,120 » As usual for me, two or three things. Uh, one, I would like to thank the two 818 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:53,360 ladies on council for uh, a bring the house down act that they 819 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:59,920 both had at groovy nights and it was for, you know, uh, for the charity that 820 01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:04,560 is for for the scholarships, the the children is great and and uh, y'all 821 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:10,640 brought the house down and it was good and thank y'all. 822 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:16,880 » Thank you. Uh other one um you know the uh on the way out I think I left this 823 01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:23,199 one out last month uh where they had passed you know legislation about the 824 01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:29,360 occupy tax can only be uh cannot be used for public safety you 825 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:36,880 know uh keruck is going to be allowed only through the court system is is how 826 01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:41,360 they're going uh I along with Charlie. Uh 827 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:47,760 would like to say uh do remember September 11th. Take time to honor those 828 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:53,840 that lost their lives. Some gave all, all gave some. Some remember the first 829 01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:59,280 responders and volunteers as we say goodbye to many of our brave 830 01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:06,239 and generous people who gave themselves to help the families and the communities 831 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:09,360 affected. uh like you please. >> Thank you. 832 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:12,000 » Always remember. >> Listen. 833 01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:17,520 » Well, I I certainly agree with that sentiment and I would like to say Doug, 834 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:21,520 you did quite a remarkable performance yourself, but I thought you were going 835 01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:23,920 to wear your wig tonight. So, we were all doing a double take because he 836 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:29,120 looked >> very young. 837 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:32,880 » Joey Alice, yours. 838 01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:37,679 » Thank you, Mayor Councel. Um, I'll try to make it brief. Uh, software update 839 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:41,840 August 3rd. I reported at the last month's meeting the town issued an RFP 840 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:47,760 for enterprise resource planning software and implementation services. 841 01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:51,920 Um, the RFP was meant to seek a modern cloud-based platform integrating our 842 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:59,199 core administrative and financial functions that include payroll, um, HR, 843 01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:04,960 finance, uh, utility billing, and we received five proposals and those 844 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:11,120 proposals were received on August 31st. Uh, team of staff has been reviewing and 845 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:16,719 scoring these and now scheduling vendor demonstrations. We anticipate awarding a 846 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:24,800 contract in October with a projected go live date of May 1st, 2027. 847 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:31,040 An update on the fire station roof. Um RFP was issued on June 10th with bids 848 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:36,080 due on July 8th. Two uh two bids were submitted and lowest responsive bid was 849 01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:42,320 $99,646. The contract and notice to proceed was 850 01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:48,960 uh provided. Work began August 31st and was 98% complete as of this past Friday. 851 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:53,760 Uh the contractor expects to be finished this week. He has one more day of 852 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:57,920 scheduled work and that is just to replace a damaged roofto-all vent. So 853 01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:03,600 that project will be closed out and complete this week. 854 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:08,719 Crosswalks and this is another project that I'm happy to say is closed out and 855 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:13,520 complete. Uh lot of talk about crosswalks since coming on board and in 856 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:18,080 your budget time. Um previously reported requested a revised proposal because the 857 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:25,199 original did not address the side street areas on the crosswalks. Uh August 18th 858 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:28,199 a we received that revised quote for $92,47460. 859 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:36,880 Um, this again was for completing 14 crosswalks [clears throat] 860 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:41,920 along Main Street and the side streets. August 19th, uh, staff along with McGill 861 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:48,159 reviewed the proposal and selected the color and the patterns. October or 862 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:55,199 August 28th, DOT, um, approved the encroachment permit. And August 30th, we 863 01:14:52,239 --> 01:15:01,120 started um, and finished on September 2nd. Everything wrapped up. Um, traffic 864 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:05,360 control was completed with public works, so I thank them for their help in 865 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:12,400 keeping the uh costs down as well and keeping everybody safe. Um, and we also 866 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:19,280 amended the scope slightly to include restriping of the white crosswalk lines 867 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:25,760 on Main Street for an additional $7,500. Um once uh once the crosswalks were done 868 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:30,320 and I went and looked at them, it was obvious that those um needed refreshed 869 01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:34,239 as well. There was a lot of areas with chipped and missing paint. So we were 870 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:38,880 able to knock those out while we were while we were there. 871 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:45,360 Um, also during the project I inquired to DOT about the crosswalk location down 872 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:51,760 near Chatola to see if we can incorporate in that into the crosswalk 873 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:58,880 striping as well. Um, I was informed that this area did not qualify because 874 01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:06,800 of the 25 mile per hour speed limit and relatively low pedestrian volume. So, 875 01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:10,800 the signs are still located um in that location, but [clears throat] we did not 876 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:17,120 stripe that. So, I'm sure that'll be a question as to to why we didn't restripe 877 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:21,520 that area, but I did inquire the DOT and uh they did not um give the approval to 878 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:25,760 do that. Main Street, uh thank you to the 879 01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:30,800 landscaping department for a lot of the fall flowers that they put up this 880 01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:36,159 month. Um those are new this year. the hanging baskets and uh several leaning 881 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:42,960 light poles on Main Street were reported to um Blue Ridge Energy. Uh replacement 882 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:47,120 street lights are scheduled on Wallingford that were out for the past 883 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:52,719 several months. That's scheduled this week for replacement. And the trash can 884 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:57,360 replacements are scheduled for this week as well. 885 01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:01,600 So, a good a good bit happening on Main Street. 886 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:06,159 uh policies. Work continues on town policies and procedures. Uh tonight's 887 01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:10,880 consent agenda included the purchasing payables policy and procedures manual. 888 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:15,920 Thank you, Margaret. And to all staff for their assistance and we are in the 889 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:21,120 process of updating the personnel policy. Um I expect to have this before 890 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:26,159 council for cons consideration in October or November at the latest. That 891 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:32,480 completes my report. >> Thank you, Alice. Thank you. 892 01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:37,840 And we are going to take a recess, but we will fall under 893 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:43,679 » close session. North Carolina General Statute 143-318 894 01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:49,040 111A3 to consult with an attorney employed by 895 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:57,480 the town in order to preserve the attorney client privilege and North 896 01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:57,480 Carolina General Statute 143-31811A6 897 01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:06,239 to consider the qualifications competence or conditions of a 898 01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:13,760 prospective public officer or employee employee and to hear or investigate a 899 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:20,800 complaint or grievance by or against an individual public officer or employee 900 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:25,920 » the count uh citizens there there might be a decision made when we come out of 901 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:29,760 close session but I'm not sure can you find an attorney so that being said 902 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:34,719 we're going to take a fivem minute recess oh thank you so much for 903 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,719 attending this evening