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ready here just some little housekeeping

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are these reports that we have to sign

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as counselors tonight any of

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these yes I do have two decisions from

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the committee of adjustment so there are

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I see three of us in this room so don't

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let us leave without signing thank you

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all right we're live now may

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clop okay welcome everyone to uh our

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December 7th meetings uh we're going to

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start with our committee of adjustment

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and I'll ask uh a call to order and uh

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Chandra to do roll call

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please member klopp present member

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Ferguson present member Becker present

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member Harris

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present uh member Irvin sends his

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regrets as does member leaport member

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Vandenberg present member Walden present

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and wetstone

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present okay we have Quorum thank you uh

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counselors deputy mayor uh hope you had

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a good couple weeks uh we now uh I need

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a motion to approve the agenda as

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printed so moved Mr Mayor

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Walden

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seconded

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fenberg all those in favor of the agenda

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as printed say I I I

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any opposed hearing none opposed motion

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carries is there any disclosure

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pecuniary interest for tonight's meeting

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or the previous

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meeting hearing none we are now at uh

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point four which is adoption of the

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minutes from the previous

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meeting of November the 2nd 2020

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Committee of adjustment do I have a move

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or a second for that so moved it's a

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deputy thank you Deputy second

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wal Walden

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seconded any discussion on the uh on the

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minutes hearing no discussion I'm going

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to call the motion all those in favor of

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adopting the minutes as printed i i i

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any opposed hearing none motion carries

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thank you we're now at uh five 5.1 mv12

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D20 and planner Hallman you're there

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somewhere there you are Hannah good

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evening and this is uh the 3398 King

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Street lot 38 plan plan 531 hey West

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Ward take it away Hanah all right thank

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you chair um I will just share uh my

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presentation all right uh so as stated

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by the chair the next application is

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number mv1

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1220 um the subject property is located

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on the corner of King Street and

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Princess Street uh the the subject

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property is designated residential and

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is zoned residential low density R1 the

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property is a corner lot um and the

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portion along King Street so that

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southern lot line there um is recognized

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as the front property line with the

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exterior property line um along Princess

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Street uh just for committee's um

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understanding uh here are site photos of

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um the subject application tooken

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earlier in November um the subject appli

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is seeking to add an extension to their

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existing dwelling on the Northern side

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um so right about located right about

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here uh the elevations are provided of

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the existing dwelling um including um

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the proposed um extension to the

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dwelling um so showing the front and

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rear elevations there and the right and

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left

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elevation and here's the uh site plan

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that's provided uh the applicants

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specifically are seeking uh variants uh

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to reduce the RIS yard setback from 8 m

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to 2.1 M um so in this case it is uh it

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is along the left side of the screen um

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so it would be along the northern lot

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line that they're seeking to reduce from

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8 meters to 2.1

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Metter um the application was considered

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against the four tests of the minor

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variance um the proposed minor variance

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represents a reduction of 5.9 MERS um it

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is worth noting that the rear yard um in

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this case if it were to be considered

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the interior side yard um which might

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know to the to someone um looking at the

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property it might appear to be the

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interior side yard just because of the

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orientation of the house as well as

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other adjacent Lots if it were to them

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be the interior side yard the required

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setback would be 1.5 M so that's worth

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noting um just to the UN just due to the

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unique configuration of the lot the

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proposed construction otherwise comp uh

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follows the requirements of the R1 one

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zone uh including lot coverage uh as

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well there is proposed that the septic

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system would be located on the exterior

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sidey yard uh further limiting uh the

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available space on the property for this

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um extension as such the minor variance

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is considered uh minor and

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desirable uh as well the minor variance

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maintains the intent of the zoning Bon

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the official plan Amendment uh to

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support uh residential development uh

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within the residential designation in

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terms of comments there was one neighbor

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comment received um from the property

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owner to the north um so this is the

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property owner that's AB budding uh the

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yard that is seeking the variants um

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expressing no concerns with the proposed

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build uh but they did have concerns

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about the potential for uh the trimming

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of branches on their tree um so if I

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just go back to the site photos there is

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a tree uh located on the neighbor's

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property that does have branches that

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overhang onto the neighbor's property um

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and they just had some questions about

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whether they they were considering

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trimming these trees um so as such I

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have provided that neighbor um with the

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contact or the contact information with

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the owner so that they can discuss this

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uh between themselves uh blue water

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staff did provide comment on the

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application indicating no

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concern um they have made two specific

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comments noting that the water meter for

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the a build must be located where all

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water consumption including water for

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the dishing can be captured uh this

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comment is reflected in recommending

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addition number four uh as well um

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building staff have provided comment

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with uh respect to the proposed septic

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layout noting that the layout may need

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to be uh amended as there was some

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discrepancy between the site plan um and

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the septic layout provided um as such

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there is a condition that the sewage

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system shall comply with the Ontario

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building code AS reflected by condition

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number five uh but this is something

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that would um be expected otherwise um

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it is recommended that the application

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for the minor variant be approved to the

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conditions included in the report um

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three of which are standard so that it

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be um constructed to the foot print

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contained in the site plan that it

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follows the elevations and it's valid

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for a period of 18 months as well

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condition four and five are recognizing

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those two unique um staff comments so

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I'm happy to answer any questions that

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the committee may have well thank you uh

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is there any questions to Hannah at this

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time

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counselors hearing none as this is a

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public meeting um I'm going to ask uh

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first the applicant do they um wish to

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make any comments or do they agree with

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the planner's recommendations or have

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other thoughts is there someone here

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this evening either representing the

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applicant or the owner I believe Joe and

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Angela are

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here okay oh Angela I think I see you

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and someone behind you I gather that

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might be Joe that's Joe pleased to meet

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uh no problem um so go ahead

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you are you comfortable with what you

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have uh understood and heard from the

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planner and the staff of Blue

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Water yep I have no problem okay thank

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you council is there any questions to

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owners hearing none and again as this is

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a public meeting uh I'm going to ask is

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there anyone um in our viewing audience

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this evening that wishes to comment on

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this application has a concern or or

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wants to support it Ang uh Chandra sorry

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I have no one else registered to speak

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on this issue okay let the record show

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there was no one uh on for this public

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meeting thank

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you um council is there I'm looking for

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a motion then is there anyone prepared

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to make a motion with regards to this

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application councilor vanen Burke and

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you're making the motion to approve with

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the conditions yes I am with with the

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the conditions with the five conditions

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councelor Waldman second councelor

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Walden second councilors is there any

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discussion or you ready to for me to

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call the

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question I'm going to call the question

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all those in favor of the recommendation

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mv12 D20 to be approved with the five

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conditions say I

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Nays it's carried thank you um now uh

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Hannah do you have some instructions for

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the uh Angela and uh Joel yes thank you

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chair just before I get to that I'm just

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going to uh bring up the table for the

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motion yeah thank

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you um so in terms of the effect of

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public and agency comments I recommend

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that the committee uh select option 3A

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that public comments were received in

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support of the application the effect of

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which result in a decision to approve

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the application and option uh B for that

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comment were received from agencies on

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the issues of the water meter and the

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septic system layout the comments were

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addressed through

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conditions okay do we have a mover for

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those 3A and B4 please councelor Walden

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would move councelor Walden and uh

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councelor vandenbberg

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second any discussion hearing none all

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all in favor of uh 3A and B4 is the

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motion say I I I I any opposed hearing

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none the motion carries thank

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you Hannah all right uh yep Joe and

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Angela so you will soon uh receive a

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decision um a notice of decision

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outlining uh the appeal rights which is

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there's appeal period for 20 days after

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which uh your minor variance decision

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will be final um and then as I as stated

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by the condition it's valid for a period

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of 18 months so that's the time that you

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have to get a building

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permit okay thank you thank you good

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luck

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all right uh we're now going to move to

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application mv1

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13-20 plan 67 lot 11 part Lot 12

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Bayfield Ward Municipality of blue

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waterer and uh Hannah please go ahead

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thank you

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chair all right uh as stated the next

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application is MV

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1320 um the subject property is at 10

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Harbor Court in Bayfield the subject

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property is designated residential in

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the Blue Water ficial plan and is zoned

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residential low density R1 uh as well as

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a portion of the property is Zone

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natural environment 2 the property is

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located along uh the Bayfield River um

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so the portion of the property that's

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closer to the river um is the portion

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that is zoned uh ne2 the property

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contains an existing single detached

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dwelling along the Bayfield River

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um here's just a aerial imagery of the

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subject property um so it is lot along

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the Bayfield River um this is from 2015

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um so the single detached dwelling has

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since been fully constructed uh the

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elevations are provided of the proposed

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detach

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garage um and the application is seeking

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to increase the maximum accessory

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Building height from 6 M to 7.6 M and

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the minimum top of Bank set back from 30

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m to 3.9 M um so this top of Bank

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setback is with respect um to the

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Bayfield River um and they're seeking to

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go again from 30 MERS to 3.9 meters to

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facilitate the construction of um that

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um detach garage the application was

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considered against the four tests of the

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minor variants um first I'll speak to

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the minor variant in terms of the

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building height uh the applicant did

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provide um as included in the report the

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approximate sight line to the adjacent

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property owner is part of the survey

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sketch showing that the proposed

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detached garage is out of um the line of

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sight of the Jason property owner with

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respect to the river and the harbor um

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with the intent of Min minimizing the

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visual impact of the detach garage it is

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also worth noting that the elevation of

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the property does decrease from the

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front property line when you go

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downwards of the existing driveway uh

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further reducing the appearance of the

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height from that street level in terms

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of the SE minor variance to um reduce

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the top of Bank setback uh we primarily

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uh rely on the advice of the ABCA to

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advise on this um and they have stated

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that they have no natural Hazard

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concerns with this reduced top of Bank

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um they do note however that um a permit

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will be required from the ABCA as that

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is a separate process um as such in this

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case both of the variances are

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considered minor and desirable as well

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uh as well both of the minor variances

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maintain the intent of the zoning bylaw

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and the official plan Amendment as this

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is supporting residential development

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and they otherwise meet um all of the

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zoning Provisions there were comments

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provided uh by the ab budding neighbor

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uh to the east um inquiring about the

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minor nature of the topa bank variants

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uh as well as they did express some

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concern with the increased Building

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height um due to their experience with

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high winds in the area noting that they

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had experienced themselves with having

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to replace material on the roof um so

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that's something that they just uh

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cautiously made me aware of um and then

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there was another comment provided from

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a neighbor inquiring about the status of

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the ABCA permit um and as such that

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neighbor was referred to the ABCA as

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that as a separate process blue water

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staff did provide comment on the

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application with no concerns uh their

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comments note that their current

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utilities records indicate that either a

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water meter has not been installed on

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the property or that the water meter has

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been installed but the transmitter has

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not uh as they are currently being buil

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at a flat rate uh as such they have

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recommended condition number four be

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included to address

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this um as well uh as I spoke to a

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little bit before ABCA did provide

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comment on the application uh noting

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that they have no concerns from a

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natural Hazard perspective in terms of

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the recommendation it is recommended

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that the application be approved subject

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to the condition uh three of which are

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the standard conditions as well as um

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number four that a water meter and

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transmitter uh be installed on the

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property or that it um or confirmation

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uh be received that it already has been

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installed and that the transmitter uh be

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connected I'm happy to answer any

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questions that the committee may

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have okay counselors any questions to

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Hannah at this

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time hearing none I'm going to go here

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to the owner I see also Mr Johnson Brian

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hello um is some anyone wish to comment

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Peter um you agree with the

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with what you've heard so

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far I do uh we we've resided in the

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Bayfield area for 15 years five in this

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particular residence um having spent

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February and March this year in Bayfield

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with no garage and moving my car every

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time a snowplow came

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through I recognized how important uh it

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was to try and get this going um I want

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to also on on take a moment and thank

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the the staff of the municipality ABA

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Bluewater Council uh for keeping the

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wheels of progress in in motion during

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these unprecedented times it's uh it's

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been a tough year for everyone so thanks

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for your time and consideration on this

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well thank you for those uh words Peter

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um okay is there any questions to the uh

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to the owner here

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counselors okay um as this is a public

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meeting Peter going to ask is there

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anyone in um in our viewing audience

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wishes to uh raise any concerns or

403
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support for this uh for this

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permit chander is there anyone the only

405
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other person in attendance as you

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mentioned is Brian

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Johnson okay I see some others in the in

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the back watching in but that's uh

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there's anyone that there wishing to

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comment okay thank you uh let the record

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show that there was no one in the public

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gallery that um had any

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concerns uh at this uh for this public

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meeting okay I'm looking counselors is

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there anyone uh wishing to make a

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motion I'll move the recommendation

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councelor wetstone thank you councelor

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wetstone and that's to approve and that

419
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was the deputy I believe that's correct

420
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thank you deputy and that is for to

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approve uh the recommendations with the

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four recommendations correct thank you

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councilors is there any questions before

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I call the

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question hearing none I'm going to call

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the question to uh to approve this uh

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application all those in favor say I I I

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any opposed hearing none the motion

429
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carries and now we have to do one more

430
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motion yes thank you chair I will just

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share the

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table um so I recommend um that the

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committee uh select option 5A uh that

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public comments received on the issue of

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high winds uh with regard to the

436
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proposed increased Building height

437
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comments were thoroughly considered but

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the effect did not influence the

439
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decision to approve the application uh

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and in terms of agency comments uh

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option B4 that comments were received

442
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from agencies on the issue of the water

443
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meter these comments were addressed

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through

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conditions hey is there person ready to

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make that motion for 5A and

447
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B4 councelor venberg councelor Becker

448
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second

449
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all those in favor of that motion 5A and

450
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B4 please say I I I any opposed hearing

451
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none the motion carries Anna back to you

452
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all right thank you chair um so Peter

453
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and Brian um your next steps will be

454
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that you will receive um a notice of

455
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decision that outlines uh the appeal

456
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rights which is a 20-day appeal period

457
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uh after which assuming there's no

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appeals the decision will be final and

459
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valid for a period of 18

460
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months okay he Hannah great thank you

461
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stay stay safe everybody for sure thank

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you very much good luck in your uh in

463
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your project there sir thanks thanks

464
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Council thank you okay I'm G to call a

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motion to adjourn our U Committee of

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adjustment is there a motion to adjourn

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so move councelor Walden seconded by

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councelor

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venburg all those in favor say

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I I any opposed hearing none motion

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carries we now move into our regular

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council meeting of December the

473
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7th and I'm going to call the meeting to

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order and uh chander to confirm that we

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have uh no new additions and we still

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can consider the members that were here

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to be the same yes attendance reflects

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the same as the committee of adjustments

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okay a disclosure of prary interests at

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this time for this meeting or for

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previous meeting if

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absent hearing none and again if

483
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something comes up please um get my

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attention I'm going to ask for the

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approval of the agenda but we have one

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issue pulled Chandra and that was yes

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Council um

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[Music]

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item

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7.6.4 being the Wildwood Municipal drain

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tender award has been um moved to the

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December 21st

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okay so that's one is there anything

494
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someone wishes to add or or uh Council

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amendments to

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anything hearing none I'm G to ask for a

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mover to approve the agenda as amended

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with

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7.64 removed for this

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meeting councelor Walden seconded

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by Deputy Deputy Mayor thank you Deputy

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Mayor

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Ferguson okay all those in favor of the

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agenda as amended please say

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I any opposed motion carries we're now

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at number four delegations and

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presentations the asabo Bayfield

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conservation Authority has a report here

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uh miss vz's hand I see her in the

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corner somewhere there she is um it's uh

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take it

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away go ahead

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[Music]

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Mary were you able to share your

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screen I I don't know if she can hear us

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I I think

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she's H technical difficulties here Mary

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are you able to hear

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us

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okay oh that's unfortunate I can reach

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out to her by email if we wanted to move

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forward with um our next item

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okay I think we can do that is that okay

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with Council if we go to 4.2 and then

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we'll come back to

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4.1 yeah I see everyone okay with that

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uh slight change okay we're going to now

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do 4.2 which is the uh KPMG Service

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delivery review

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update and uh there's anah and uh go

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ahead who's going to do

532
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this thank you your worship it's

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pleasure to be here tonight my name is

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Bruce pever I'm a partner with

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KPMG and with me tonight is my colleague

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SAA Malik and we will be presenting on

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our final report on the municipality

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Bluewater Service delivery review SAA

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can you is it possible to present our

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presentation yes uh give me a second I'm

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just fing it up

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[Music]

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great thank you

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SAA if we can go to the project overview

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page that's great so your worship

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Council

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staff again I'm here tonight to present

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the final report

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and before we get into our key findings

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uh what I want to do with you is just

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review our project objectives and the

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scope of work so KPMG was engaged by the

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municipality of Blue Water to undertake

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a service delivery review the overall

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goal of the review was to better

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understand your current Municipal

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services and identify opportunities for

558
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improvements cost reductions and greater

559
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,320
efficiency next page sign

560
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:08,360
we started the engagement in

561
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,120
August and when we kicked it off and

562
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:12,760
then we proceeded into what we call the

563
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:14,399
environmental scan where we collected

564
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,279
information on your current Service

565
00:25:14,399 --> 00:25:19,480
delivery methods and we conducted

566
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:22,159
stakeholder engagement exercises and

567
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,960
surveyed five comparator

568
00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:27,360
municipalities in August and September

569
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,840
we reviewed and conducted an inventory

570
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:33,760
of your current service services and

571
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,480
then in the fall we identified a series

572
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,120
of

573
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:43,640
opportunities that you had and we've

574
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:46,559
concluded the engagement with a analysis

575
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:49,320
of your financial position so tonight we

576
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:53,000
are here to present the final

577
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,000
report on our next

578
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,880
page and SAA perhaps you can take

579
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:02,440
Council through

580
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:05,200
the top 10 opportunities for the

581
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,120
municipality sure good evening everybody

582
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,799
my name is an Malik and I was part of

583
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:12,000
this um project um what we did just to

584
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,720
before we get into the actual

585
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,919
opportunities just want to give a brief

586
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,159
background on how we came up with these

587
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:20,399
opportunities we had brainstorming

588
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:23,520
sessions with staff and management uh

589
00:26:20,399 --> 00:26:26,080
where we came up with 62

590
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,880
opportunities um we at KPMG took those

591
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,559
opportunities away we combined them and

592
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,200
we had 35

593
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:35,360
opportunities remaining with those

594
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,399
opportunities uh we had to prioritize

595
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:39,320
them to come up with the top 10 and we

596
00:26:37,399 --> 00:26:41,520
did that using certain criteria

597
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,640
including the operating impact the

598
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,320
capital impact barriers to

599
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,240
implementation uh if there were any

600
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,000
recent reviews completed on those

601
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,320
opportunities we did looked at

602
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,679
comparative analysis uh strategic

603
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,399
program alignment and client customer

604
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:58,919
impact based on the Strategic criteria

605
00:26:56,399 --> 00:27:00,559
we put those opportunities the 35

606
00:26:58,919 --> 00:27:02,799
opportunities that we had identified

607
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,960
into various Pockets today we're going

608
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:08,039
to be presenting you the top 10 that we

609
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,039
identified along with

610
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:15,039
management so the first opportunity is

611
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:17,360
to explore possibility of sharing

612
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:20,679
services and purchasing with a county

613
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:22,520
and or lower tear the rationale was that

614
00:27:20,679 --> 00:27:24,640
the municipality recognizes the

615
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,600
potential for increased Effectiveness

616
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,919
and cost savings through alternative

617
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,320
delivery models across various

618
00:27:28,919 --> 00:27:33,640
departments specific opportunities exist

619
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,720
within shared services and shared

620
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,919
purchasing and if you were to implement

621
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:42,440
this opportunity the estimated impact

622
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:42,440
would be a benefit of between 90 to

623
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,240
$450,000 the second opportunity we

624
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,159
identified was to develop Financial

625
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,320
modeling including borrowing and debt

626
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:55,240
financing of capital projects and also

627
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,640
develop Financial policies to guide the

628
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,440
municipality's financial management

629
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,799
these policies will review reserves and

630
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,760
Reserve funds debt policies and

631
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,399
financial principles to develop a

632
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,039
financial framework in corporating

633
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:11,320
leading practices in financial

634
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:13,039
policies this financial framework will

635
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,880
drive administrative efficiencies

636
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:17,360
through improved documented processes

637
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,360
and policies that provide direction to

638
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,559
staff thereby reducing the need to

639
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:23,640
consult and seek out direction for

640
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,760
specific activities and subsequent

641
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,000
Council

642
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,840
approvals and the rationale was that the

643
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,279
municipality recognized the need for

644
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,840
enhanced policies relating to Capital

645
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:36,600
debt management reserves and

646
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:39,159
Investments and the estimated impact

647
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:42,840
would be less than $990,000

648
00:28:39,159 --> 00:28:42,840
and which is considered

649
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,320
minor number three the third opportunity

650
00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:51,679
we identified was to improve integration

651
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,679
of remaining strategic plan goals as per

652
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:56,360
existing strategic plan within

653
00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:59,000
Department objectives in an effort to in

654
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:02,600
assist Municipal staff with Direction

655
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,399
goals motivation and sust sustainability

656
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,159
of

657
00:29:03,399 --> 00:29:08,159
growth the rationale is that the

658
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:10,559
municipality recognizes the need to

659
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:12,279
align Department objectives to remaining

660
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:15,200
strategic plan

661
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,000
goals departmental mandates and kpis for

662
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,440
each department should be established in

663
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,880
line with the Strategic plan staff

664
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,640
identify the inconsistency and lack of

665
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,039
understanding of these mandates and

666
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,000
kpis and there was there would be no

667
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:33,000
estimated impact for this

668
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,640
opportunity number four the opportunity

669
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,120
was to conduct a review of the cost

670
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,720
recovery model for Planning and

671
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,360
Development fees to determine

672
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,799
feasibility of increasing building

673
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,159
permit fees to ensure cost

674
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:46,120
recovery and the rationale was that

675
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:48,480
there was has been no increases to the

676
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,279
building permit schedule over the last 5

677
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,000
years which has impacted the

678
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:55,640
Department's ability to recover

679
00:29:52,000 --> 00:30:00,039
operating cost and the tax benefit of

680
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,039
this would be between 90 to 450

681
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:05,080
$50,000 number five the opportunity is

682
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,880
to redesign the municipal website to

683
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,640
improve usability so that the

684
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,320
municipality can Implement customer

685
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,880
service software improvements in the

686
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,640
future and the municipality recognizes

687
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,320
the opportunity to improve its customer

688
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,120
service level through updating its

689
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,720
website and improving the accessibility

690
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,799
of

691
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,880
information and there will be no

692
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:28,720
estimated impact for this

693
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,760
change number six the opportuni is to

694
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,159
develop Parks and Recreation master plan

695
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,960
to coordinate the service delivery model

696
00:30:33,159 --> 00:30:37,960
and the capital program for Parks and

697
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,880
Recreation the rationale is that the

698
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,559
municipality recognizes the opportunity

699
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,519
to improve the guidance to council staff

700
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:46,279
and Community stakeholders on key

701
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,760
objectives and the service delivery

702
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:50,880
model for Parks and

703
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,039
Recreation and there would be no change

704
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,080
to net

705
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:58,039
Levy number seven the opportunities to

706
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,840
conduct a review of the current it

707
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:02,600
service provider analyze value for

708
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,880
dollar and identify potential

709
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,960
alternative alternate providers or an

710
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,159
in-house

711
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,320
resource and the rationale is that the

712
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:12,279
municipality recognizes the need to

713
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,960
ensure that appropriate controls are in

714
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:16,799
place for third party risk management

715
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,080
specifically for IT

716
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:21,039
services and there would be no net

717
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,960
estimate

718
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:26,960
impact number eight the opportuni is to

719
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,639
review cemet Cemetery user fees in order

720
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,960
to move the cemetery to a more

721
00:31:28,639 --> 00:31:32,799
cost-effective business model and

722
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,000
consider other opportunities to improve

723
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:39,320
Cemetery management such as Contracting

724
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,639
Services leveraging internal systems

725
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,679
columbariums and the rationale is the

726
00:31:41,639 --> 00:31:45,679
municipality recognizes the opportunity

727
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:48,279
to improve the overall service level of

728
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:50,240
cemetery services and its cost recovery

729
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,720
through increased fees and alternative

730
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,399
Service delivery

731
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,519
models and the impact would be minor at

732
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:59,919
less than $90,000 a

733
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:01,960
year number nine There's an opportunity

734
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:04,080
to update Facilities Review and bring

735
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,320
recommendations to council with the goal

736
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,679
of either selling Municipal facilities

737
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,600
no longer in use or where it is not

738
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:13,000
financially viable to restore which

739
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,360
would have the effect of reducing the

740
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:19,080
cost of facility mendance or providing a

741
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,120
financial plan to upgrade or restore the

742
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,919
facility the rationale is that the

743
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,279
municipality currently operates

744
00:32:22,919 --> 00:32:27,120
underutilized and aging facilities and

745
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:29,559
recognizes the opportunity to reduce

746
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,679
costs through the of these facilities or

747
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:35,080
restoring facilities to improve

748
00:32:32,679 --> 00:32:38,600
operations and there would be less than

749
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:42,080
$90,000 impact of this

750
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,039
opportunity number 10 the opportunity is

751
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,720
to investigate the digitization of the

752
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:48,600
application review and permitting

753
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,760
process for building sewage and plumbing

754
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,760
applications and the rationale is that

755
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,360
the municipality recognizes the benefits

756
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,360
of digitizing services and activities to

757
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,760
assist in optimizing business processes

758
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,880
and meeting customer demand and the

759
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,960
estimated impact is less than

760
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,840
$90,000 those were our top 10

761
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,519
opportunities that we identified with

762
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,039
management what you're seeing here um on

763
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,240
this screen is that we took those 10

764
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:19,240
opportunities which are again listed

765
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:22,279
here and we plotted them on a map based

766
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:25,240
on the impact of implementation and the

767
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:28,279
effort required to implement them based

768
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,840
on the scores that we had given

769
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:32,399
and we can see the top two which is to

770
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,399
explore the possibility of sharing

771
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:37,600
resources and developing a financial

772
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:40,000
model is towards the top which is where

773
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,279
the impact of implementation is high and

774
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,279
the effort is between low to

775
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,679
medium

776
00:33:48,639 --> 00:33:53,080
okay from this point we'll take you

777
00:33:50,679 --> 00:33:54,960
through the service profiles Bruce do

778
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,360
you want to walk them through the

779
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:01,120
service profile thank you SAA

780
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,840
so if you remember uh part of our

781
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,559
engagement was to inventory your

782
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:10,000
services and we did that by creating

783
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:12,760
what we call service profiles so you can

784
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,960
see there is a column on the

785
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,159
left which

786
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,040
identifies principally the budgetary

787
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,839
information

788
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:25,399
associated with the delivery of this

789
00:34:22,839 --> 00:34:27,960
specific service which is in this case

790
00:34:25,399 --> 00:34:30,000
development services

791
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,040
and then the remainder of the page is

792
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,720
broken into four quadrants the upper

793
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:39,960
left quadrant describes the

794
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:41,720
service the lower left quadrant provides

795
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,760
some benchmarking and performance

796
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:48,879
information so you can see how the cost

797
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,119
of a building inspection per household

798
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:55,760
compares to your

799
00:34:51,119 --> 00:35:00,760
peers on the top right we include a

800
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:03,800
graph which looks at the service level

801
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,680
standard for each of the services within

802
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,000
development so you can see there's

803
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,400
building inspection there's planning and

804
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,280
there's blue

805
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:16,119
flag and what we do is we map the level

806
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:19,000
of service against the service type so

807
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:21,760
the service type is broken into four

808
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,359
groups the first one is

809
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,040
mandatory which means that there is a

810
00:35:24,359 --> 00:35:29,200
piece of provincial legislation that

811
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:33,160
says the municipality shall deliver that

812
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:36,079
service there's also essential Services

813
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:39,320
which are like mandatory except there's

814
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:41,280
no piece of legislation legislation

815
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,560
dictating the municipality deliver the

816
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,119
service so a common example in a larger

817
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,520
municipality would be public

818
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:53,240
transit third type of service is

819
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:56,000
traditional and that's uh class of

820
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:58,839
service which as the name suggests

821
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:02,480
municipalities traditionally deliver for

822
00:35:58,839 --> 00:36:04,720
example Arenas and finally there is the

823
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,040
other discretionary type service which

824
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:13,599
makes that particular service unique and

825
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:15,359
special in comparison to its peers and

826
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:19,000
mpal blue water has one of those

827
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:20,880
Services here and it's the blue flag

828
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,599
service

829
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:27,680
below the graph you can see the

830
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:29,640
rationale and the rationale explains the

831
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:33,240
the reason for the service level

832
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,960
assessment and the service type so we

833
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:37,640
have completed a number of service

834
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,920
profiles for all the different Services

835
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,960
the municipality delivers and they're

836
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:47,520
included within this final

837
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,520
report so do you want to take us now to

838
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,680
the final section of the report which is

839
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680
the

840
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,560
budget EXC

841
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:04,240
oh sorry we have the financial operating

842
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,119
model perhaps you can explain the the

843
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,920
model we developed for the

844
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:12,040
municipality sure so as part of our

845
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:15,359
deliverable what KPMG did was we created

846
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,880
a predictive model for for for the

847
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:21,240
municipality of blue water and what this

848
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:24,440
is it's an Excel spreadsheet where we

849
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,440
can predict the 10-year Capital forecast

850
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,079
for the

851
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,280
municipality we took in data historical

852
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:32,720
data the fin from the financial

853
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,960
information returns and we created key

854
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:36,640
inputs um which which the work was

855
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,839
already done so we created through

856
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,119
taxation reserves your grants we

857
00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:43,640
incorporate all that information we

858
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:46,520
created a tool which can be used to

859
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,880
predict what your Capital Financial

860
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:53,079
requirements would be in the next 10

861
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:55,319
years so and what would the impact on of

862
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:57,680
on Levy would be if you were to choose

863
00:37:55,319 --> 00:38:00,040
certain Capital expenditures so it's an

864
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,359
interactive tool we developed this we

865
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Shar it with staff and management uh we

866
00:38:02,359 --> 00:38:06,359
received good feedback from them um

867
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,200
suggested a few changes which have been

868
00:38:06,359 --> 00:38:11,280
incorporated as well so we hope that

869
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,720
this will be a a great help to the

870
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,720
municipality in the coming

871
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:25,200
years Bruce and the final piece of the

872
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:28,359
final report is the budgeting

873
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:31,920
process so son if you want to take us

874
00:38:28,359 --> 00:38:34,760
there yes thank you so we understand

875
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,960
through staff that Council has been at

876
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:40,680
the Forefront of thinking about how to

877
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,640
redo the budget process and you

878
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,560
recognize the importance of completing

879
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,839
your Budget prior to the end of the

880
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,319
calendar year in order that the

881
00:38:48,839 --> 00:38:54,960
municipality can get out into the

882
00:38:51,319 --> 00:38:58,000
marketplace and Achieve Optimum pricing

883
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:01,400
on its Capital Construction tend

884
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:04,400
ERS and I think the council and the

885
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,760
municipality are to be congratulated for

886
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:12,160
thinking that way because it's a

887
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:15,319
Innovative approach to Service

888
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:18,200
delivery so you can see here that we

889
00:39:15,319 --> 00:39:22,160
have proposed a budget process that will

890
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:25,800
allow you to achieve a approved budget

891
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:28,599
before the end of December

892
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:32,599
31st and it's a

893
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:36,079
six meeting process so it starts the

894
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:38,599
week of November 1st with what we call

895
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:41,160
the cap first capital budget meeting and

896
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:44,040
we start with the capital budget because

897
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,480
as I'm sure council's aware the capital

898
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,000
budget drives your operational budget

899
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,160
the decisions you make around what

900
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,400
Capital Equipment you might purchase or

901
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:57,680
what capital projects you might tender

902
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,359
will impact the cost of service delivery

903
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:03,160
so that's why we start with the capital

904
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:06,599
budget and we suggest you start a the

905
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:09,960
first week of November and in that

906
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:11,599
meeting that your CIO will lay out a a

907
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,920
small presentation on the financial

908
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:16,760
state of the municipality and review

909
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,079
some of the key capital projects for the

910
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,560
coming

911
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:23,560
year it's important here for Council to

912
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,599
also know that the capital budget that

913
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,760
is presented is balanced financed and

914
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:31,000
sustainable

915
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,800
the second capital budget meeting occurs

916
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,760
the following week and this gives

917
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,400
Council a chance to think about the

918
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:42,280
draft capital budget presentation and to

919
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,280
ask questions and debate and the goal

920
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,839
for this second meeting should be that

921
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:51,480
by the end of the meeting you have

922
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:54,599
provisionally adopted the capital

923
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:57,319
budget once the capital budget has been

924
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:59,720
approved on a provisional basis you move

925
00:40:57,319 --> 00:41:01,000
move into the first meeting for the

926
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:04,800
operational

927
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,720
budget and that in that meeting you'll

928
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,839
review your expenditures and revenues

929
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:12,000
and the proposed tax levy increase and

930
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:13,720
possible drivers behind the changes to

931
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,720
these

932
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:18,640
numbers the operational budget should

933
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,760
also incorporate any changes that may

934
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,520
come about from the capital budget and

935
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,839
reflect council's Direction on tax levy

936
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,960
increases the following week so the

937
00:41:26,839 --> 00:41:31,160
fourth meeting there will be a second

938
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,400
operational budget well and that will

939
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,200
provide Council a chance to really roll

940
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,599
up his sleeves and ask tough questions

941
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,240
on the

942
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,359
proposed operational expenditures and

943
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:45,040
revenues for the coming

944
00:41:42,359 --> 00:41:47,160
year and the goal here as like the

945
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,000
second capital budget meeting is to

946
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,240
provisionally adopt the operational

947
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:56,160
budget and this will allow staff then to

948
00:41:52,240 --> 00:42:00,240
take the draft capital and operational

949
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:03,960
budgets out vot to the public and

950
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:06,560
present them to the public in a public

951
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,319
meeting and that usually occurs in the

952
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,400
first week of

953
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:12,920
December following that public meeting

954
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,000
the feedback of the public is

955
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:20,040
incorporated into the budget and so that

956
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:24,119
at the council meeting in the second

957
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:26,680
week of December Council formally adopts

958
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:29,000
the capital and operational budget by

959
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,400
bylaw

960
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,480
so this is a

961
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:37,839
proven and

962
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:40,760
successful process for achieving a uh

963
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:42,720
operational and capital budget by

964
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,720
December

965
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:49,680
31st so your worship that completes our

966
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:51,480
presentation of the final report and we

967
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,319
would be pleased to take any questions

968
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:58,280
or answer any questions that you might

969
00:42:53,319 --> 00:42:58,280
have or Council might have tonight

970
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:14,040
sorry about that everyone um yes uh uh

971
00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:16,359
thank you for that uh report uh before

972
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,680
we go to council um I'm going to open it

973
00:43:16,359 --> 00:43:20,760
up to the staff who have worked with you

974
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,880
um My Hope Is I guess if they have some

975
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,680
comments it may have less questions for

976
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,440
us tonight or or new questions as

977
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:30,599
counselors so um uh Lori well I'll I'll

978
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,760
let you do the chairing of of of our

979
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:36,760
senior staff I'll be

980
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:40,040
that okay well um just overall I'd like

981
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:44,280
to thank uh Bruce pever SAA Malik Jal

982
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:46,760
Francis Hassan John um all we all of

983
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,559
whom managers have worked with to

984
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,160
provide this Service delivery review

985
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:54,000
that you're seeing this evening um the

986
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:56,280
final report we have includes analysis

987
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,960
with comparators and recommendations to

988
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,640
us for future opportunities to be

989
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,520
considered over time to improve

990
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,599
operations the addition of the

991
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:09,319
predictive capital budget model is a key

992
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:11,359
tool that Council has requested and

993
00:44:09,319 --> 00:44:14,079
which we are very pleased to have as we

994
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:17,800
move into the budget season for

995
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:20,119
20121 um this report has shown that blue

996
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,960
water is doing well and that Council the

997
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:24,440
treasurer and managers have provided

998
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,119
Good Financial oversight and stewardship

999
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,240
to ensure that we are providing good

1000
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:30,800
service and value to Residents property

1001
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:34,359
owners and Blue

1002
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,599
Water um as you can see theyve provided

1003
00:44:34,359 --> 00:44:40,680
a road map for us to take away and use

1004
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:43,400
and again we thank them you can see it's

1005
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:47,240
a living these are living tools that

1006
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:49,920
will uh continue to incorporate and uh

1007
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:52,240
for example the service profiles will be

1008
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,559
able to use every budget season to

1009
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:59,319
compare uh what we're doing um against

1010
00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:00,480
previous years and and um so that's

1011
00:44:59,319 --> 00:45:03,480
that's very

1012
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,400
worthwhile as of course as I said is the

1013
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,839
compar the predictive modeling Financial

1014
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,440
tool that they've

1015
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:15,040
produced um I don't think we will um

1016
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,400
have um managers speak to the service

1017
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,720
profiles this evening and but we can

1018
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:23,200
carry them forward into our budgeting

1019
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:26,400
process and um they can uh each manager

1020
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:31,480
can respond in their uh particular area

1021
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:33,839
to uh what the profiles say so um I I

1022
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:37,599
think um that would be the best in terms

1023
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:37,599
of time time management this

1024
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,400
evening unless counselors have questions

1025
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,960
specifically councelor wetstone I

1026
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,960
actually do have a couple questions if I

1027
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:56,240
could and I guess this is uh relating to

1028
00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:57,880
and I just want to make sure to

1029
00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:00,599
understand it thank you for the top 10

1030
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,520
opportunities some of them are uh uh

1031
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:05,280
ones that I'm not surprised in so that's

1032
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,520
that's fantastic it's sort of uh

1033
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,880
reiterates the point of of some of the

1034
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,599
thinking that some of the counselors

1035
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,599
have had so for example on number one

1036
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:17,280
when you talk about the shared

1037
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:19,559
purchasing um and it has between 90k to

1038
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,319
450k in potential

1039
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:28,280
savings so when you look at things like

1040
00:46:23,319 --> 00:46:31,119
that do you look at um for example man

1041
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,200
hours so if we were to be teaming up

1042
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,359
with here in County now all of a sudden

1043
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,880
we would there would have to be some

1044
00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:38,680
sort of shared Arrangement where we

1045
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:41,599
would be paying them for their employee

1046
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:44,680
to do some of that work are those those

1047
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:46,920
labor hours included uh within those

1048
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:50,359
cost

1049
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:52,760
savings your worship to the counselor

1050
00:46:50,359 --> 00:46:55,960
actually the approach we are thinking

1051
00:46:52,760 --> 00:47:00,599
for shared services around purchasing or

1052
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:05,760
procurement was for the county and the

1053
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:08,680
municipality to issue similar uh tenders

1054
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,520
together so basically be joint tenders

1055
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,520
okay so there wouldn't be a cost there

1056
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:16,359
should not be a cost to the municipality

1057
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:18,440
of Blue Water you know both the county

1058
00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:22,640
and the municipality for example

1059
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:25,760
purchased salt and other common

1060
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:28,480
Municipal materials and there's no

1061
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,880
reason why the two municipalities

1062
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,839
couldn't work together on that type of

1063
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,119
joint procurement to achieve greater

1064
00:47:32,839 --> 00:47:37,000
economies of

1065
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:38,440
scale understood okay thank you that

1066
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,119
clears that up for me a little better I

1067
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:44,880
want to understand that um the budgeting

1068
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:46,599
process um you know we don't week meet

1069
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,119
weekly on a normal basis but what I can

1070
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,960
tell you is anybody that's been sitting

1071
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:51,599
on Council since I've been on I've been

1072
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,599
pushing for an early budget since day

1073
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:56,359
one uh fi our finance people can uh

1074
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:57,480
attest to that as well so hopefully this

1075
00:47:56,359 --> 00:48:00,240
will be something something that we can

1076
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,559
look at and maybe we can adopt it uh I

1077
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,839
know this year we're getting we're we're

1078
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:06,280
getting closer uh it looks like we might

1079
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:08,839
uh might be it's never early enough for

1080
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,680
me I'd I'd love to have it done and set

1081
00:48:08,839 --> 00:48:12,480
December 1st and tenders out for next

1082
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,520
year within the month of December and

1083
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,680
everything else too but uh I have to

1084
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,960
understand workload and how we get

1085
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,880
through everything as well too but this

1086
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:22,440
is a good start I appreciate uh the bit

1087
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,440
of a road map for that as well thank

1088
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:28,760
you that's all the questions or comments

1089
00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:28,760
I had for now

1090
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:40,960
sorry there any other counselor's

1091
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,680
comments at this time um I will be

1092
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,119
looking for a motion that we receive

1093
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:50,599
this for information as so as uh then we

1094
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:52,200
can uh start working on it and uh but

1095
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:57,960
this point is there any other questions

1096
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:57,960
or comments to our presenters

1097
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:04,559
hello hello everybody can hear me okay

1098
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,640
uh yes we're uh how are you doing now uh

1099
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:08,040
we're we're just doing we're just

1100
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:12,319
finishing up uh the second committee

1101
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,319
report and then we'll get to you how's

1102
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:17,280
that

1103
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:20,079
okay thank

1104
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,880
you I'm looking for a motion then uh

1105
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:23,400
councils that if we want to move forward

1106
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,720
with this report we need a motion to

1107
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,839
accept it for information this evening

1108
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:30,520
counselor is anyone prepared prepared

1109
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:33,040
councelor wal sorry sorry mayor can I

1110
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,119
just ask one question please oh for sure

1111
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:38,000
even if we get it seconded we'll still

1112
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:39,280
have question okay is there a second

1113
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,880
just I'll get that out of the way if

1114
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,799
there is councelor Harris Council Harris

1115
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,400
thank you okay councelor venberg go

1116
00:49:43,799 --> 00:49:51,079
ahead y thank you mayor just going back

1117
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:54,160
to uh to Bruce then in the weeks um I

1118
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:56,720
think it was let's say week number five

1119
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,559
where the public can ask question

1120
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:01,960
question s and then the following week

1121
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:04,520
is basically the the budget gets passed

1122
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:08,960
or so but does that give everyone enough

1123
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:12,079
time from the public to ask questions

1124
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:15,359
and if there are any little hiccups or

1125
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:18,040
so or or something pops up that the

1126
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:21,000
staff can still implement the changes

1127
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:23,359
for Council to review and and pass at

1128
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:28,040
the end of week number six I think it

1129
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:31,480
was week number six cor right

1130
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:34,480
uh your worship to the counselor yes uh

1131
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,040
we have found that it does provide

1132
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,880
enough

1133
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,920
time the amount of work

1134
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,880
though should not be

1135
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:48,960
underestimated by staff and counsel in

1136
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:52,119
actually engaging the public so there

1137
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,640
you know before week or before the

1138
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:57,440
public meeting in week one of

1139
00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,880
December there has to be some work in

1140
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:04,319
setting up the public meeting ensuring

1141
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:07,359
that you have the right staff there and

1142
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:10,160
they proper advertisement is undertaken

1143
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:12,640
to get a turnout if I could provide some

1144
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,359
advice at least in your greater Toronto

1145
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,480
area don't try and hold a public meeting

1146
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:21,920
on the budget the same night the mle are

1147
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:24,040
playing for example so uh that's the

1148
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:27,040
kind of you have to think it through but

1149
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:29,400
generally we have found that you do get

1150
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:33,280
good feedback and there is enough time

1151
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,280
to incorporate that feedback from the

1152
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:39,119
public

1153
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:42,599
okay any other questions at this time

1154
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:44,720
and we have our uh two people SAA and

1155
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:47,040
Bruce here that worked on this well and

1156
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:49,880
and their team of

1157
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,240
course if not uh if I'm sure if there is

1158
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,839
questions down the road our staff will

1159
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:57,000
help fill in and also Lori and I'm I'm

1160
00:51:54,839 --> 00:51:58,160
sure they could probably uh if there's

1161
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,680
questions that stump them they could

1162
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:03,640
probably talk to Bruce or someone and

1163
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:07,280
and get it clarified I I see a nod thank

1164
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:11,119
you okay well um on behalf of council I

1165
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:14,079
I thank you uh for your work um you uh

1166
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:16,119
you did entertain the public uh you had

1167
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:19,319
lots of feedback from our community of

1168
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:22,480
blue water which uh I uh I hope was a

1169
00:52:19,319 --> 00:52:25,200
wasn't a surprise I hope it was pleasant

1170
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,920
it U I think it's been a pretty good

1171
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:31,200
process so so um at this time if there's

1172
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,040
no questions yet at this point I'm going

1173
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,119
to call the question on that we accept

1174
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:39,359
this for information and start working

1175
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:41,200
towards our goals as I think uh Lori

1176
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:45,760
said it's a living

1177
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:48,480
document are we prepared to uh call the

1178
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,040
question hearing no uh nays I'm going to

1179
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,400
call the question all in favor of

1180
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:57,240
receiving this report for information hi

1181
00:52:53,400 --> 00:53:00,200
hi hi any opposed hearing none the

1182
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:02,119
motion carries thank thank you and and

1183
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,760
thank everyone look forward to working

1184
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:07,000
with this uh with this report now and in

1185
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,680
the future thank you thank you your

1186
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,280
worship it's been a pleasure serving the

1187
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,839
municipality of blue water it's been a

1188
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:15,880
really enjoyable experience and I wish

1189
00:53:12,839 --> 00:53:19,680
yourself and Council a very Merry

1190
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:22,480
Christmas and and same to you take care

1191
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:26,960
by bye bye head out

1192
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:31,280
bye okay uh Chandra

1193
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:33,520
have we uh got our ABCA on uh on track

1194
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,799
here I think we have Mary

1195
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:41,480
now can you hear us

1196
00:53:36,799 --> 00:53:45,280
Mary she did get in she did get

1197
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:48,440
in Mary can you hear

1198
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:51,079
us I can't hear you if I'm supposed to

1199
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:54,520
talk we can hear you you can hear me

1200
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,520
okay great oh go ahead

1201
00:53:54,799 --> 00:54:01,599
then um I won't know if everybody can

1202
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:06,000
see my slides can people see my slides

1203
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:06,000
if I put them up no okay share

1204
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,760
screen okay can people see my slides now

1205
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,760
okay

1206
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:16,480
great and I'm going to go

1207
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,440
slideshow

1208
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:22,839
beginning okay so thank you very much uh

1209
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:25,280
for inviting me to speak to uh Council

1210
00:54:22,839 --> 00:54:27,839
and the mayor tonight I uh just wanted

1211
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,200
to provide a quick update about some of

1212
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:34,760
the reports that we did for the March

1213
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:37,480
2020 fiscal uh year end in March uh of

1214
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:40,480
this earlier this year we at the healthy

1215
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:44,760
watersheds Department um work with h the

1216
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:46,000
communities and agencies to um uh work

1217
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,000
on local

1218
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,319
Watershed interests and issues and we

1219
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,599
often get try to get some funding and we

1220
00:54:51,319 --> 00:54:56,680
have reports due in March of the year so

1221
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:58,680
this particular March uh when we were in

1222
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,160
lockdown uh we were quite busy with a

1223
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,240
number of reports I shared those reports

1224
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,960
with the with the board of directors at

1225
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:08,200
the asso Bayfield and July and they

1226
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:11,559
asked me to speak to some of the reports

1227
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:14,720
with your all the councils so tonight um

1228
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:16,400
in here Blue Water just a little

1229
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,960
reminder of the healthy Watershed

1230
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:22,000
program at the asso Bayfield um it

1231
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:25,680
started in 2000 and it really was in

1232
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:28,760
response to local um Community interest

1233
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:31,440
in uh environmental issues and a need to

1234
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,799
engage the community with uh local

1235
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,440
actions and then monitor how effective

1236
00:55:33,799 --> 00:55:39,760
those those actions are um so that

1237
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:42,760
program has been running since the year

1238
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,720
2000 this is just an overview of the

1239
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:48,039
asabo Bayfield jurisdiction so we're

1240
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:50,079
2400 kilm square with the Bayfield River

1241
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:52,039
500 kilm square going in at Bayfield of

1242
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:56,000
course and the asao river starting up in

1243
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:57,319
Stafa and going out um at Port Frank's

1244
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,039
um

1245
00:55:57,319 --> 00:56:01,799
the municipality of Blue Water I have

1246
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:04,599
overlin here on this map showing that

1247
00:56:01,799 --> 00:56:07,359
for the most part the area of your

1248
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:09,599
jurisdiction is uh mostly Shoreline

1249
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:11,200
tributaries smaller tributaries that

1250
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,599
flow directly to the lake but there's

1251
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:17,119
also a part of the Bayfield River and

1252
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,119
actually some of the headwaters of the

1253
00:56:17,319 --> 00:56:25,480
asabo so on to the reports uh for 2020

1254
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:27,720
um these reports really are uh reporting

1255
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,880
on some of the biology and water quality

1256
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:33,559
and land use issues that are in our

1257
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:35,799
jurisdiction um as I mentioned we do try

1258
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:38,079
to get uh funding from other levels of

1259
00:56:35,799 --> 00:56:39,680
government so that every dollar that is

1260
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:41,880
provided to the assab we can try to

1261
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,079
raise it three times or more depending

1262
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:47,039
on whether or not we're able to uh

1263
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:48,760
leverage uh landowner uh projects and

1264
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:51,559
stewardship support landowner projects

1265
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:54,200
and stewardship with additional funds um

1266
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:55,920
of course we are continuously working

1267
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,720
with the different communities so the

1268
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,119
community of Bayfield gr bent down in

1269
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:04,839
Port Franks but also some of the Inland

1270
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:07,839
communities in lukan Elsa Craig Nar um

1271
00:57:04,839 --> 00:57:10,200
and Rural Farm rural non-farm issues and

1272
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:13,839
also um agricultural issues so I'm just

1273
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,880
going to talk on a three um of these 12

1274
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:17,680
different reports I'm just going to

1275
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:20,680
speak to three of them this evening uh

1276
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:23,720
one on Wetlands one on Shoreline

1277
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:28,160
education and one on uh an unique

1278
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,160
project that we have um in Clinton

1279
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:35,280
so the first is the first topic is uh is

1280
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:38,559
Wetlands um and this report we did for

1281
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,559
the asao river but this the same

1282
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:43,160
findings could be true for different

1283
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:44,760
parts of our jurisdiction and we know

1284
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,559
that in wetlands and developed

1285
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:50,000
Landscapes are hard to maintain we have

1286
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:52,920
a very low amount of wetlands wetlands

1287
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,640
in our Watershed at about probably 2%

1288
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,559
where originally the Watershed might

1289
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,559
have had 20%

1290
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:59,880
um we know there are different

1291
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:01,520
approaches to try to get more Wetlands

1292
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,079
on the landscape some of them are

1293
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,200
related to policy and some of them are

1294
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:08,680
related to stewardship um what we know

1295
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:11,319
from a policy perspective is because the

1296
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:15,000
definitions of wetlands are are

1297
00:58:11,319 --> 00:58:17,119
extremely um variable um the policy

1298
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,280
interpretation of those definitions make

1299
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:22,760
it very hard uh in some cases to

1300
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:25,359
maintain those very small Wetlands on

1301
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:29,319
the landscape uh sometimes we don't even

1302
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:33,079
notice when they're Disturbed so it's

1303
00:58:29,319 --> 00:58:35,200
very important to maintain uh the

1304
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:38,000
existing Wetlands because we know that

1305
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,839
they have wet uh water quality benefits

1306
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,640
they have flooding benefits and they

1307
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:46,240
have um biodiversity benefits however uh

1308
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,760
one other tool some other tools that we

1309
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,119
found to have some success with is

1310
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,359
supporting uh land owners with their own

1311
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:56,359
interests in um enhancing some of the

1312
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:58,319
wet areas on their fields or in their

1313
00:58:56,359 --> 00:59:01,760
wood lot so this particular picture I

1314
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:03,960
have here shows a redeveloped wetland in

1315
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,000
a very small corner of uh somebody's

1316
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,599
field that wasn't wasn't very productive

1317
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,920
and so they've taken it out and now they

1318
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:12,799
have this place that they can enjoy and

1319
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:15,760
this was near narn we also know that

1320
00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:18,280
when we support um stewardship and

1321
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,680
helping folks with their Wetlands that

1322
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,599
that can have a multiplier effect by

1323
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,880
engaging adjacent or neighboring land

1324
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:28,480
owners and this example is in the near

1325
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,920
um Southwest part of our Watershed where

1326
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:34,640
we did undertook a fairly large Wetland

1327
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,720
restoration project um and then

1328
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:40,000
corresponding neighbors or adjacent

1329
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,880
neighbors engaged with us to um employ

1330
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,400
some other further best management

1331
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:47,039
practices and also get support and

1332
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,319
recognition from a tax perspective on

1333
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:51,680
their on their

1334
00:59:49,319 --> 00:59:55,160
Wetlands the next report that I just

1335
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,880
want to update the council about is uh

1336
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,119
this um encouraging more natural

1337
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:02,160
shorelines along the luron coast this

1338
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:04,520
was more of a understanding of some of

1339
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:07,039
the communication gaps that exist along

1340
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:10,039
our Shoreline um I'll preface this by

1341
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:13,720
saying I'm not a coastal engineer or a

1342
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:16,119
coastal um uh expert I'm a I'm a

1343
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:18,520
watershed biologist but we did work with

1344
01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:21,799
our local communities to better

1345
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:24,599
understand some of the um uh gaps in

1346
01:00:21,799 --> 01:00:28,599
Communications that could be filled um

1347
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:31,599
so what we found was that um some of the

1348
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:34,559
factors that would contribute to uh a

1349
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:36,599
less than ideal natural storeline conss

1350
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:38,720
are that there's obviously a significant

1351
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:42,799
level of existing development along our

1352
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:45,000
Shoreline there's um a limited

1353
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:47,520
understanding of the cumulative effects

1354
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:51,119
of uh certain kinds of practices along

1355
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:52,680
the shoreline and there's uh lack of the

1356
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:55,319
kinds of technical information that

1357
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:57,160
would help with certain policies that

1358
01:00:55,319 --> 01:01:00,160
would be based on cumulative effects

1359
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,839
that would able enable us to better

1360
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,720
understand some of the costs of

1361
01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:07,200
different activities on our Shoreline

1362
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:09,599
and be able to discuss the discuss those

1363
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:12,160
with um people that that live on the

1364
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:14,280
shoreline with respect to what are the

1365
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:17,319
costs to the natural processes what are

1366
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,440
the costs to um adjacent neighbors and

1367
01:01:17,319 --> 01:01:21,960
what are the costs even to themselves of

1368
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,960
certain

1369
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:28,480
practices the final project I just want

1370
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:31,160
to provide an update to council about is

1371
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:34,440
uh the Heron view demonstration farm

1372
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:38,799
this um demonstration Farm is behind the

1373
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:43,319
here on Perth public health unit and um

1374
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:46,559
working in 2008 we worked with various

1375
01:01:43,319 --> 01:01:49,559
Partners to make um restoration of the

1376
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:52,680
flood plane uh we put in some grass

1377
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:55,440
waterways we put in a Terrace um there

1378
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:59,079
was some restoration of some additional

1379
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:02,440
um near a small Creek that went in and

1380
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:05,039
at just after um 2008 the hon County

1381
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:08,440
Soil and crop Improvement Association

1382
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:11,520
and um approached the county and there

1383
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:14,640
was a agreement to rent that land for a

1384
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:18,039
dollar a year and the the soil and crop

1385
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:21,279
um Farmers started to use cover crops

1386
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:24,559
reduce tillage and nutrient management

1387
01:02:21,279 --> 01:02:26,520
practices um in they did find however

1388
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:28,359
they were still having um issues with

1389
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:31,440
erosion and felt that tile drainage

1390
01:02:28,359 --> 01:02:33,160
would help to uh support the kinds of

1391
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,640
activities they wanted to undertake

1392
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:40,559
there so in

1393
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:42,520
2018 um a a proposal was submitted to

1394
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:46,000
support an Innovative child drainage

1395
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:49,119
project that project went in the ground

1396
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:51,279
um in June 2019 and you can see here

1397
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:53,279
some of the different aspects of that

1398
01:02:51,279 --> 01:02:56,240
design where we're looking at a

1399
01:02:53,279 --> 01:02:58,480
different kind of uh innovative drainage

1400
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:02,680
Contour control drainage versus

1401
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:04,799
systematic drainage and uh no tile area

1402
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:07,279
uh so we're looking at um that over the

1403
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:10,559
more short term and of course also

1404
01:03:07,279 --> 01:03:12,599
looking at the the impact of um or the

1405
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:14,760
effect that the wetlands also have on

1406
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:17,440
Downstream water quality I encourage

1407
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,279
folks to visit the the her on view site

1408
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:22,319
it's in a lovely location right on the

1409
01:03:19,279 --> 01:03:26,240
Bayfield River and um there's lots of

1410
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:29,480
interesting things happening there

1411
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:31,200
uh I just would like to close by um

1412
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,599
going through a couple

1413
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:36,599
little pieces of how this community

1414
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:38,240
supported monitoring enhances our local

1415
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:41,200
environment we have noticed over the

1416
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,839
last 20 years a great deal of people um

1417
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,960
very interested in nature certainly we

1418
01:03:42,839 --> 01:03:46,559
saw that at the beginning in March when

1419
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,359
people were really making quite a bit of

1420
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:51,079
use of our conservation areas we have

1421
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:52,599
also learned a lot more about best

1422
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:54,640
management practices on both

1423
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:56,480
Agricultural and urban best management

1424
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,559
practices and we've been doing some

1425
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,400
monitoring to demonstrate the

1426
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:03,319
effectiveness of some of these uh

1427
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,440
practices to better understand how

1428
01:04:03,319 --> 01:04:07,559
effective they are and to also figure

1429
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:10,680
out where the best places for these

1430
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:14,000
practices would be of course um ongoing

1431
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:18,119
discussion and Outreach and Community um

1432
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:21,200
involvement helps to have uh informed

1433
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:23,000
Community about some of the different um

1434
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,119
biology and water quality issues that

1435
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,160
are in their local environment and we do

1436
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:30,279
summarize some of this information on an

1437
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:33,240
ongoing basis in our uh Watershed report

1438
01:04:30,279 --> 01:04:35,680
cards which I provided a link here for

1439
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,599
the different um smaller watersheds

1440
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:41,520
within the Asawa Bayfield

1441
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:44,720
area so just uh thank you very much to

1442
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:47,520
counil for um having me speak tonight

1443
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,240
and uh encourage you to if you're

1444
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,599
interested to follow up about some of

1445
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:54,240
the reports I'd be more than glad to

1446
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:57,640
provide with any answer any answers to

1447
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,640
your questions tonight

1448
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,000
Mr

1449
01:05:06,359 --> 01:05:14,079
Mayor about that I should add my little

1450
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:18,520
mouse here sorry um any questions to uh

1451
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:18,520
ABCA tonight counselors on this

1452
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:24,599
report I think it's pretty

1453
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:27,599
straightforward thank you for uh for uh

1454
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:29,039
reminding us what work uh you've done

1455
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:32,240
not only this year but obviously over

1456
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:34,480
the years we appreciate that I need a

1457
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,359
motion uh to accept this report for

1458
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,960
information is there anyone prepared to

1459
01:05:36,359 --> 01:05:40,160
do

1460
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,760
that councelor

1461
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,319
venberg

1462
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:46,680
seconder councelor Becker councelor

1463
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:50,240
Becker before I call the question is

1464
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,240
there anyone wish to make any

1465
01:05:51,319 --> 01:05:55,160
comments okay I'm going to call the

1466
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:56,920
question all those in favor accept this

1467
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:01,079
report for

1468
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:03,960
information hi I any opposed motion

1469
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:08,440
carries thank you and I gather you can't

1470
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:10,799
hear us but uh job well done thumbs up

1471
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:13,680
thank you

1472
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:16,319
okay uh that concludes our delegations

1473
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:19,559
and presentations we're now on consent

1474
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:21,880
agenda which is a number of them

1475
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:25,880
5.1

1476
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:29,559
to 5.25

1477
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:32,559
is there anyone wish to pull any out for

1478
01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:32,559
discussion

1479
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:38,520
counselors not hearing any I'd like to

1480
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:39,400
pull out 5.11 for some comments and

1481
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:43,799
that's the

1482
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,799
ABCA approved budget for

1483
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:54,680
2021 is there any others at this

1484
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:56,799
time okay um and what I uh the budget of

1485
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:59,920
course is we're all uh we've got the

1486
01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:04,200
report from Bayfield con from

1487
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:07,359
ABCA and um it says that uh we had a a

1488
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:11,799
slight decrease of approximately

1489
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:14,799
1% in the um in the budget and and

1490
01:07:11,799 --> 01:07:18,200
that's a fact the numbers are there but

1491
01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:21,200
I am taken back a little bit um when you

1492
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:23,240
look at the uh the breakout uh project

1493
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:26,240
Levy and general Levy and you refer it

1494
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:29,440
back to the 2020 budget and I noticed

1495
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:31,760
that Trend last year so I I the numbers

1496
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:33,880
were pretty close but when you look back

1497
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,520
at last year the general Levy which to

1498
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,279
me is your operating I I I write that as

1499
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,880
sort of the operating there's obviously

1500
01:07:38,279 --> 01:07:42,760
issues that are deal with great things

1501
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:46,440
that we do in the conservation Authority

1502
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:48,599
there's no question but last year it was

1503
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:52,680
$237,000

1504
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:52,680
$451 this year it's it's

1505
01:07:52,760 --> 01:08:01,119
24555 which is an increase of 70

1506
01:07:56,839 --> 01:08:03,079
$600 and a little over $7,600 which is

1507
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:05,440
about a 3%

1508
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:07,319
increase and that is that's going to be

1509
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,039
there next year embedded in in the in

1510
01:08:07,319 --> 01:08:12,920
the program when you look at the gr uh

1511
01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:14,520
look at what we call Project Levy and

1512
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,279
I'm working on the assumption that those

1513
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,279
are the real nuts and bolts of what a

1514
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:20,359
lot of us think when we think of

1515
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:22,440
conservation it's making sure the dams

1516
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:26,719
are working it's making sure that

1517
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:29,159
there's a flow of water can be U happen

1518
01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:31,520
moning monitoring things and doing those

1519
01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:35,560
type of projects but it's actually

1520
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:39,040
decreased from last year uh it was $

1521
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:41,080
61,63 last year so when you look at that

1522
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:44,480
that's an 18%

1523
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:46,400
decrease and my sense is that projects

1524
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:50,080
seem to go up and

1525
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:52,199
down uh I think uh probably ansur not

1526
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:55,520
asking her to comment but I but from a

1527
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:59,480
standpoint us as Council if we uh and

1528
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:03,080
you could see from the kmg report KPMG

1529
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:06,839
report we've had years of very high what

1530
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:09,400
I call capital projects so I could

1531
01:09:06,839 --> 01:09:12,880
probably say to people hey we we

1532
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:14,480
decreased your taxes a lot this year uh

1533
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,960
but then when they find out that well

1534
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:19,159
the snow plowing isn't done on every

1535
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,000
other Thursday I think a lot of people

1536
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:24,239
would be calling me and saying I was a

1537
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,120
little bit uh uh you know that was a bad

1538
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:28,279
decision uh

1539
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:32,040
they they expect that we do spend money

1540
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:35,480
so just on the principle of it I really

1541
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:38,000
think this is not the way I would do it

1542
01:09:35,480 --> 01:09:41,600
to the taxpayers of of the municipality

1543
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:43,679
of Blue Water i w I would wish that the

1544
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:46,359
my wish is that we be a bit more

1545
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:49,719
upfront uh operating which is they

1546
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:52,600
called General Levy it's gone up by

1547
01:09:49,719 --> 01:09:54,600
3% and the only reason we see a decrease

1548
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:58,000
is because there the actual projects

1549
01:09:54,600 --> 01:10:00,880
have dropped 18% this year and I want I

1550
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,199
just want to be assured that residents I

1551
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,159
am looking at these budgets carefully I

1552
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:06,880
am totally support that we uh

1553
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:10,239
conservation Authority is a good thing

1554
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:11,280
to have back in 49 the government made a

1555
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:14,120
a good

1556
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:17,040
decision uh but it also said that the

1557
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:19,960
local lower tiers are to be very much

1558
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:22,600
part of the process and be in charge and

1559
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,520
and clearly this is one area of budgets

1560
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,800
that uh that you know I think we need to

1561
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:30,000
reflect that so so I just wanted the

1562
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:33,560
rate payers to uh to to see this that

1563
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:35,920
it's um that really it was increaseed by

1564
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,840
3% the operating and that's what I

1565
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:41,239
wanted to get on the record uh obviously

1566
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:44,040
um Council has not

1567
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:47,400
officially passed a motion to support

1568
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:49,520
the budget uh that's a process that uh I

1569
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,880
guess we're supposed to do I don't know

1570
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,440
if we want to do that tonight but I

1571
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,040
wanted to get that on the record I

1572
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:57,440
appreciate council's time if there's any

1573
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:00,560
other comments on it that's fine too I

1574
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:00,560
open the floor thank

1575
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:08,000
you so if I could if I could just

1576
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,000
comment on that uh mayor Klo with

1577
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:13,120
regards to the increase in the general

1578
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,960
Levy um there's no significant increase

1579
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,679
to the ongoing operations and stuff like

1580
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,760
that a lot of that has just got to do

1581
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:21,800
with the general increase in costs from

1582
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,560
year to year because there'll be an

1583
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,960
increase in wages and benefits just

1584
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:29,000
because of the change in CPP EI and

1585
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:30,560
those kind of things and also um similar

1586
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,440
to what happens here if people are

1587
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,159
eligible for red movements for years of

1588
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:37,800
service and stuff like that that that

1589
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:40,679
also ends up reflecting in the operating

1590
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:43,719
budget and and I think that makes my

1591
01:11:40,679 --> 01:11:45,520
point uh how we do things here when we

1592
01:11:43,719 --> 01:11:47,760
tell people in the public oh we

1593
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:50,199
decreased the the cost to run the

1594
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,400
government you you point out and we have

1595
01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:54,719
it right in the reports there's a

1596
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:57,199
distinction between operating and and

1597
01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:00,159
capital projects and that's as I think

1598
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:03,840
needs to be happening also at ABCA it

1599
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:05,520
it's deceiving to me to the general

1600
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:09,280
public when they read oh we had a

1601
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:11,840
decrease in the in the operation of ABCA

1602
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:13,880
well we did but it was basically that

1603
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,440
there's less projects being done which

1604
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,360
which again most people think it's

1605
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:21,199
projects it's the road getting paved

1606
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:23,960
it's it's those things uh in our case so

1607
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:25,480
I I I do appreciate that and that drives

1608
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:30,560
my point home further that I think it

1609
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:30,560
needs to be stated a little clear to the

1610
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:35,760
public okay if there's nothing else I'll

1611
01:12:33,719 --> 01:12:37,440
uh I'll look for a motion if there's

1612
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,040
nothing else wishes to be pulled at this

1613
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:42,440
time from the budget I'm looking for a

1614
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:46,560
motion to accept the consent

1615
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:48,800
agenda so moved councelor Walden

1616
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:52,239
seconded

1617
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,239
by councelor

1618
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:58,239
vanenburg Mr Mayor yes go ahead

1619
01:12:55,639 --> 01:13:01,239
um a question and this is to you

1620
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:04,080
probably for your input um what about

1621
01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:06,199
that letter from hock Township regarding

1622
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,360
the tile drain loans did do you have any

1623
01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:10,760
comment on

1624
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:13,159
that I I don't I don't know you know I I

1625
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,440
okay I see what it says but what what

1626
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:17,239
are your what's your thoughts on that

1627
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,159
well we actually headed up at the county

1628
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:20,360
I don't know if you were in on on that

1629
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:22,440
at that moment that's in trouble we're

1630
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:24,800
not in the same room sometimes you you

1631
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:27,440
miss things so well I I I have no

1632
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:31,080
trouble supporting that um the

1633
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:32,840
tile the tile Lane loans are really

1634
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,719
relatively high in fact I I think if the

1635
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,920
government is doing it at this point

1636
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:39,120
they're they're probably making money at

1637
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:41,639
it uh because I'm I'm sure the

1638
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:45,000
government of Ontario going from my past

1639
01:13:41,639 --> 01:13:47,679
experiences on actually in this ministry

1640
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:50,159
we could get money a whole lot even at

1641
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:52,199
that time we were getting money about 1%

1642
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:56,080
less and that was back in the in the the

1643
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:58,400
old days the 1990s well I know that we

1644
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:00,440
as farmers and and and the general

1645
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:02,320
public you can get well a young fellow

1646
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:03,960
told me other day rid his loan for his

1647
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:08,280
house and it's

1648
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:11,000
1% uh now uh obviously it's for two or

1649
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,320
three years but point taken so yeah I

1650
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,360
have no trouble with that if someone

1651
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,159
wishes I mean at any time the counselors

1652
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,239
want to bring it out and vote on it I

1653
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:19,960
don't I did ask the question I didn't

1654
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:21,840
bring it up but I appreciate yourself

1655
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:24,000
sir so if you wish to have it pulled and

1656
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,120
voted on that's fine I'm the motion

1657
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,280
hasn't passed yet

1658
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:30,800
okay well um you know if it's still in

1659
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:33,239
order um yeah I think I would like to

1660
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:35,800
support it okay and I would move to

1661
01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:36,679
support that thank you so we're pulling

1662
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:40,960
out

1663
01:14:36,679 --> 01:14:43,199
5.24 for a separate motion and it's been

1664
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,800
uh requested by our Deputy Mayor is

1665
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:46,480
there a seconder can I deal with that

1666
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:50,440
right now Chandra is that how we can do

1667
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:52,360
it I would just pull it um take care of

1668
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:54,800
the consent agenda and then we'll deal

1669
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,800
with uh 5.24 well then that's what we'll

1670
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,600
do I'm looking for the flow we haven't

1671
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:01,400
had one of these for a while so thank

1672
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,400
you okay if that's the deputy mayor nods

1673
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:06,760
he understands that we're not ignoring

1674
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:09,239
them okay uh we have a motion then for

1675
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:11,679
the rest of the consent agenda councelor

1676
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:13,880
Walden made the motion is there a

1677
01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:17,440
seconder councelor

1678
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:19,280
venberg all those in favor of all the uh

1679
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:21,800
consent agenda except

1680
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:26,440
5.24 say

1681
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:28,840
I I any Nays hearing none motion carries

1682
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:32,159
we're looking at 5.24 resolution

1683
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:34,600
Township of ho tile Loan program is

1684
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:37,880
there a mover and a second we have a

1685
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:41,120
mover Deputy Mayor is there a

1686
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:44,320
second councelor Becker will

1687
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:47,320
second everyone uh read the motion or

1688
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,560
read the the letter the

1689
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,360
request seeing I think everyone's

1690
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,360
nodding their they have I'm going to

1691
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:55,520
call the question all those in favor say

1692
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,480
I I

1693
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,280
any

1694
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:03,800
opposed none the motion carries thank

1695
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:05,719
you very much for that we are now on six

1696
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,840
correspondence for Action Blue Water

1697
01:16:05,719 --> 01:16:14,040
Area Family Health Team funding request

1698
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:16,360
councilors you have read this I'm

1699
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:20,000
sure is there

1700
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:23,280
any direction comments and then

1701
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:26,440
Direction I'm looking

1702
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:29,719
for Mr Mayor may I make a comment yes

1703
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:32,199
you can Mr Mayor uh I appreciate and

1704
01:16:29,719 --> 01:16:33,639
really respect blue waterer uh Area

1705
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:36,560
Health family

1706
01:16:33,639 --> 01:16:40,159
team it's an asset in our

1707
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:44,239
community um I just have a question we

1708
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:46,840
seem to be getting options to uh get

1709
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:50,080
Federal and provincial assistance with

1710
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:52,719
our covid extra efforts and my question

1711
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:55,400
would be uh with blue waterer Family

1712
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:56,880
Health Team have they reached out and

1713
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,280
requested for some of that assistance is

1714
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,600
there some available at this stage I

1715
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,159
wouldn't want to vote positive or

1716
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,960
negative on this I would like to find

1717
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:06,920
out if there's something available for

1718
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:09,080
them at that level because we didn't get

1719
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,080
extra funding as a municipality to fund

1720
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,840
them but perhaps there's something

1721
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:17,320
provincially I don't I don't know I'd

1722
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:20,600
like to find that out okay is

1723
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,920
um I know that that staff had been

1724
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:25,719
talking to

1725
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:29,239
them uh uh is there anything can add to

1726
01:17:25,719 --> 01:17:32,040
his question or do we need to have uh

1727
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:34,679
this brought forward to them through you

1728
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,280
your worship um there is nothing that

1729
01:17:34,679 --> 01:17:40,280
they have received to date that they

1730
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:44,840
were able to tell us about

1731
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:47,600
okay um any other counselor's comments

1732
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:53,120
that's councelor wetstone here

1733
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:55,679
um I do know that uh um I did connect

1734
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:58,040
them with Bruce power as well to for

1735
01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:59,760
potential of PPE because Bruce Power has

1736
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:02,840
a program in place I'm not sure what the

1737
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:05,960
results were of that at this point in

1738
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:08,320
time um so maybe there was some success

1739
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:10,960
there from a PPE perspective I am I am

1740
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:13,560
quite surprised that the provincial or

1741
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:17,679
federal government hasn't provided money

1742
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:20,360
to these type of services I guess you

1743
01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:23,400
might want to call it

1744
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:25,639
um and as councilor Walden stated you

1745
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,920
know we haven't been and receed of

1746
01:18:25,639 --> 01:18:29,760
additional Monies to help support

1747
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,280
locally as well too so maybe they're

1748
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,560
treated something differently compared

1749
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,400
to hospitals compared to everything else

1750
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,840
I'm not sure but yeah I'm surprised that

1751
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:40,400
there hasn't been anything that's put in

1752
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:45,480
there on that it's worth

1753
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:47,560
exploring yeah um we're listening to our

1754
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:50,239
you know the federal government had a uh

1755
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:52,440
I'm gonna call it an interm budget

1756
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:56,840
update I'm probably using the wrong word

1757
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:59,679
but it was last week um I did take a a

1758
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:03,719
point I made a point to listen to it uh

1759
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:07,000
again probably affected us a bit and the

1760
01:19:03,719 --> 01:19:09,440
the billions and it is billions that

1761
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,679
they're um that they're spending and and

1762
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:13,320
they causing a deficit and one of the

1763
01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:16,159
questions was what

1764
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:17,880
about Co costs and they said we're not

1765
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:21,480
worried about the deficit we're going to

1766
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:24,120
be getting all the bills paid words to

1767
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:25,520
that effect I'm paraphrasing obviously

1768
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,800
so

1769
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,280
I'm not

1770
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:32,080
sure you know maybe to obviously today

1771
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:33,840
they haven't got funding but um the

1772
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,880
federal government says that help is on

1773
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,679
the way and so I I have a I really do

1774
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:41,280
have

1775
01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:43,560
a I do have a problem with tonight

1776
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:48,280
making a a supporting a motion to spend

1777
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:50,440
money public money when we also have our

1778
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:52,040
our our cost too and and I'm hoping that

1779
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:54,880
you know it isn't

1780
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,199
our we're not in the healthcare business

1781
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,280
The Province and the provincial

1782
01:19:56,199 --> 01:20:03,120
government so and federal government

1783
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:05,040
mayor clot may I add to that yes okay go

1784
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,719
ahead thank you um I have been

1785
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,960
corresponding with Paula croll the

1786
01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:11,520
executive director there who has in an

1787
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,080
email to me told me that the Ministry of

1788
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,719
Health does not provide additional

1789
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:18,920
funded for covid protective equipment or

1790
01:20:15,719 --> 01:20:20,679
additional Staffing costs due to the P

1791
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,159
pandemic and we did reach out to the

1792
01:20:20,679 --> 01:20:25,840
local MP's office who corroborated that

1793
01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:28,960
as well um

1794
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:32,840
so um Paula croll also provided a

1795
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:34,840
breakdown of costs and uh I know that

1796
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:39,280
the contact that councelor wetstone

1797
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:41,440
provided and a representative of the uh

1798
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:43,360
of Blue Water Health have been in

1799
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:47,000
contact with each other about the

1800
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:50,199
specifics of of the PPE which does not

1801
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:52,800
speak to some of the um Staffing time

1802
01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:56,600
that they're requesting which is uh for

1803
01:20:52,800 --> 01:21:00,679
screeners at the door but um they are

1804
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:04,440
working with um with a person at Bruce

1805
01:21:00,679 --> 01:21:04,440
power to get some of the PPE right

1806
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:15,320
now yeah and Mr Mayor go ahead uh thank

1807
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:17,679
you and I I find that um you know

1808
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:20,159
unacceptable for a provincially funded

1809
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:22,520
Medical Clinic not to be covered for for

1810
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:24,080
their cost related to co and I'm just

1811
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:27,520
going to give you a little anecdotal

1812
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:30,360
information here from uh from the here

1813
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:33,639
in Perth public health unit as you know

1814
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:36,520
I sit on that board and and um at at

1815
01:21:33,639 --> 01:21:39,480
this point we have not received any

1816
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:43,920
extra money out of out of the budgetary

1817
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:48,040
money that was already approved for Co

1818
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:50,880
but in fact the uh the health unit or

1819
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:53,840
here per health unit is keeping track of

1820
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,639
that uh of that extra cost they're

1821
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,440
funding it currently out of the current

1822
01:21:55,639 --> 01:21:59,360
Year's budget because they're not able

1823
01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:01,040
to deliver all of the other programs

1824
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,679
that they would normally deliver so they

1825
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:05,719
are covering the cost but there is an

1826
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:08,800
expectation from the Ministry of Health

1827
01:22:05,719 --> 01:22:11,960
and it has been informally communicated

1828
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:15,280
that uh they are going to receive any of

1829
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:18,239
those extra costs so you

1830
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:20,679
know I the health unit could say right

1831
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:22,239
now no they haven't received it but

1832
01:22:20,679 --> 01:22:24,880
there is an expectation that they're

1833
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:28,360
going to so I find that if if there

1834
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:30,840
isn't any expectation from this uh this

1835
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,600
health ha on in this in this health

1836
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:34,239
clinic if there isn't any expectation to

1837
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:37,719
receive that extra funding we need to do

1838
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:39,480
some lobbying for them um because it

1839
01:22:37,719 --> 01:22:40,800
should be funded as you have mentioned

1840
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:43,280
it should be funded from the higher

1841
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:46,760
levels of

1842
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:49,040
government yeah and this surely won't be

1843
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:51,600
the only family health Team we we also

1844
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:53,920
have the CHC we have like as you know

1845
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:56,679
we're we have what what about even

1846
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:59,040
private do so yeah I think there's got

1847
01:22:56,679 --> 01:23:00,560
to be some momentum there I'd like to

1848
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,480
believe them I think I believe the

1849
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,520
minister not I'd like to I think I think

1850
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:06,760
she was very clear that they're they're

1851
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,480
spending billions and and that yes it

1852
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:12,719
takes a while to get things done and

1853
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:14,760
they all that so um are we I would

1854
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:17,920
entertain I'll I'll throw this out to

1855
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:21,800
staff to to to counselors would you uh

1856
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:25,639
defer this for till a later date or or

1857
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:28,000
another decision um Mr Mayor go ahead I

1858
01:23:25,639 --> 01:23:31,840
would make a motion to defer this uh to

1859
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:34,199
a later date to uh further investigation

1860
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:37,760
if funding is available because there

1861
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:40,600
are uh screeners and at every single

1862
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:43,360
medical facility we don't have the funds

1863
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:45,600
to support all these facilities but we

1864
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:48,000
we really owe it to the Bluewater Health

1865
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,880
Team to try to Lobby or whatever you

1866
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,320
said to find something so I make a

1867
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:56,719
motion to defer decision on

1868
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:59,679
this to defer decision to a later date

1869
01:23:56,719 --> 01:24:01,719
to we find out uh more details about uh

1870
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:06,239
go higher levels of government

1871
01:24:01,719 --> 01:24:08,400
funding okay chander is that um um a

1872
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:08,400
good

1873
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:13,280
motion not a good motion you got to vote

1874
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:17,080
Yes or no just the

1875
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:19,280
process um yes I think that that's it it

1876
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,840
it has a date it gives sort of an it

1877
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:23,760
doesn't have a date but the referral

1878
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:25,760
doesn't have to have an actual date does

1879
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,960
it

1880
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:31,639
I if if I could councelor

1881
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:34,040
wetstone we're about to get into budget

1882
01:24:31,639 --> 01:24:35,560
deliberations why don't we defer it to

1883
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,800
our budget deliberations because that's

1884
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,639
where it's going to come out of anyways

1885
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,560
if we do anything is one of our

1886
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:43,840
budgets yeah he does have a that part we

1887
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:45,560
we and counselor I think we picked up on

1888
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,639
Deputy Mayor saying that we should be

1889
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,679
lobbying because it isn't just them

1890
01:24:47,639 --> 01:24:51,920
they're not the only family health Team

1891
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:54,880
this is a big issue

1892
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,639
so uh which

1893
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,960
is that what you're also gonna what I

1894
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:03,600
take from your motion councelor

1895
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:05,719
wal that that would be fine uh but not

1896
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:08,040
just that like I would like just to find

1897
01:25:05,719 --> 01:25:11,040
out if we can Lobby if there's a letter

1898
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:13,440
we get sent as support or something to a

1899
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:15,679
provincial uh Member of Parliament as

1900
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:18,080
well but definitely if we put a date on

1901
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:20,280
it until budget or or it gives a bit of

1902
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:24,000
a an hand on it I would agree to that

1903
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:25,560
yes all right we we'll say budget that

1904
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:28,239
covers is that thank you councelor

1905
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:31,199
wetstone and councelor walon for working

1906
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:32,520
that out and um and then further twoo

1907
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:36,080
we'll we'll do some lobbying that's

1908
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:37,880
still part of your motion yes sir okay

1909
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,920
everyone clear on the

1910
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:43,880
motion do we have a seconder oh sorry we

1911
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:45,520
need a seconder yes thank you I didn't

1912
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,719
write that down is there a seconder for

1913
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,719
his

1914
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:56,000
motion Deputy Mayor second thank you all

1915
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:58,199
right um are we clear on the motion any

1916
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,239
dis further discussion on the

1917
01:25:58,199 --> 01:26:03,719
motion hearing none I'm going to call

1918
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:06,159
the question all those in favor say

1919
01:26:03,719 --> 01:26:08,920
I any any

1920
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:11,320
opposed hearing none the motion

1921
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:16,239
carries uh

1922
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:19,600
7.1 uh we're at 7.11 zoning bylaw

1923
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:22,159
amendments Hannah is she back on there

1924
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:27,239
she is how are

1925
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:29,000
you okay Hannah um and this is uh file

1926
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:31,840
Zed

1927
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:33,920
09-20 part Lot 25 Bayfield Road

1928
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:36,480
concession Stanley

1929
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:39,040
East all right thank you mayor um I will

1930
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,040
just share my

1931
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:45,400
presentation so as stated um the next

1932
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:48,320
application is for uh a zoning bylaw

1933
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:50,600
Amendment um the subject lands uh were

1934
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:52,280
previously severed uh as a result of

1935
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,920
consent application

1936
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:57,320
c4020 uh which was seen uh in late

1937
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:59,440
summer going into fall the property

1938
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:01,760
contains an existing grain elevator

1939
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:05,679
operation on it which is proposed to

1940
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:08,080
expand uh during the initial um consent

1941
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:10,800
uh the property that's highlighted um in

1942
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:13,040
blue here uh was severed um for the rest

1943
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:16,119
of the lands that were zoned at General

1944
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:18,000
agriculture uh so ag1 um and the

1945
01:27:16,119 --> 01:27:20,280
rezoning that's before you tonight uh

1946
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,920
was required as a condition of consent

1947
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:25,320
and it's seeking um to take it out of

1948
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:27,920
the ag1 zone and put into the

1949
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:30,760
ag3 agricultural commercial industrial

1950
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,960
Zone uh with a special Zone added onto

1951
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,719
that um to

1952
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:37,040
recognize um reduced minimum yard

1953
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:39,280
Provisions for the existing structures

1954
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:42,560
as well as the proposed uh Silo and

1955
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:44,880
elevator uh uh leg which are proposed to

1956
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:48,280
be part of the expansion of the

1957
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:50,639
operation the reduced yard Provisions uh

1958
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:52,600
proposed are seven meters for the

1959
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:55,119
existing structures that are present in

1960
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:57,560
2020 um so the was written this way just

1961
01:27:55,119 --> 01:28:00,800
to recognize the structures at time of

1962
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:04,600
application uh a reduction to 7.8 meters

1963
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:07,159
for proposed B uh B Silo and 18 meters

1964
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:09,679
for the proposed elevator leg um and

1965
01:28:07,159 --> 01:28:13,040
currently under the ag3 Zone um the

1966
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:15,600
interior sidey yard setback is uh 15 M

1967
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:19,920
or half of the height of the subject

1968
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:22,199
structure whichever one um is

1969
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:24,320
larger um so I'll just provide a site

1970
01:28:22,199 --> 01:28:26,639
sketch um that was provided by the app

1971
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:30,000
showing the existing structures uh as

1972
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:32,280
well as the proposed Silo as well as um

1973
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,880
the elevator showing where the leg would

1974
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:38,480
be extending out to support the

1975
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:40,360
elevator um so the PPS um and the county

1976
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:42,320
and Blue Water official plans permit

1977
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:45,040
Farm related Industrial and Commercial

1978
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:47,360
operations such as this uh in Prime

1979
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:49,080
agricultural areas uh as well as

1980
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,000
official plan policy speak to

1981
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:53,840
compatibility between industrial and

1982
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,960
sensitive land uses um so just going

1983
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,960
back to the previous photo the uh as

1984
01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:00,320
counselors may recall from uh the

1985
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:02,679
consent application there is a dwelling

1986
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:05,159
uh located on a separate property right

1987
01:29:02,679 --> 01:29:08,679
uh here um just to the west of the uh

1988
01:29:05,159 --> 01:29:10,840
grain elevator um as the ex as the

1989
01:29:08,679 --> 01:29:12,760
operation is expanding a noise study was

1990
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:15,119
required to be completed with respect to

1991
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,880
the sensitive dwelling uh the study was

1992
01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:19,920
deemed to be within the limits of the

1993
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:22,800
MPC 300 limits uh which is set out by

1994
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:25,480
thee guidelines uh for their D6

1995
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:28,320
guidelines uh such there are no adverse

1996
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:30,800
impacts anticipated uh the proposed

1997
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:33,320
resoning rezoning conforms to the county

1998
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,119
and hereon official plans in terms of

1999
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,960
the reduction for the interior sidey

2000
01:29:35,119 --> 01:29:40,960
guard setbacks there's no anti

2001
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:42,840
anticipated adverse impacts um from this

2002
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:46,760
um the reductions represent a reduction

2003
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:49,159
of approximately uh 7 uh to 10.5 meters

2004
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:51,000
for each of those structures um just

2005
01:29:49,159 --> 01:29:52,920
because again going back to that

2006
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,960
original provision is based on the

2007
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:57,080
height of the structures

2008
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:59,000
um there are no um structures that are

2009
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:01,000
currently contained on the abiding

2010
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:03,400
property that shares this interior sidey

2011
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:05,840
yard uh as well any structures would

2012
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:09,679
need to um or sensitive structures would

2013
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:13,119
need to be placed um adequately far away

2014
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:16,360
from this um operation in terms of noise

2015
01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:18,840
levels um so it is not expected that

2016
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:21,040
there would be any sensitive land uses

2017
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:24,159
um in which the reduction of the sidey

2018
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,800
yard would have a negative impact on uh

2019
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:28,000
I'll just provide some site photos of

2020
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:30,199
the current operation as it exists uh

2021
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,840
today Municipal staff have provided

2022
01:30:30,199 --> 01:30:34,760
comment on the application uh citing no

2023
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,199
concerns and there were no comments

2024
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,440
received from Neighbors or members of

2025
01:30:36,199 --> 01:30:41,639
the public uh so it is recommended that

2026
01:30:38,440 --> 01:30:44,440
zoning bylaw Amendment application uh

2027
01:30:41,639 --> 01:30:47,679
z920 be approved and I'm happy to answer

2028
01:30:44,440 --> 01:30:50,600
any questions that Council may have okay

2029
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:55,800
thank you an is any questions to uh

2030
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:57,800
councelor Walden yes Mr Mayor Hannah um

2031
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,960
I understand that there's a dwelling

2032
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,840
probably zoned west of there but I

2033
01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:03,360
believe currently there's not a dwelling

2034
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:07,719
there that I think the house has been

2035
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:09,480
down for a few months um but having said

2036
01:31:07,719 --> 01:31:11,560
that the noise studies were done and

2037
01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:13,400
they were acceptable so Mr Mayor I'd

2038
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:15,520
like to make a motion to to accept this

2039
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:19,840
application for this okay is there a

2040
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:21,119
second there backer okay thank you um

2041
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,639
but we do have to go through a little

2042
01:31:21,119 --> 01:31:26,199
bit more of a process correct Anna is

2043
01:31:23,639 --> 01:31:28,840
this is a public meeting uh yes I

2044
01:31:26,199 --> 01:31:31,159
believe um the applicant and the

2045
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:33,480
potential buyer are present in the

2046
01:31:31,159 --> 01:31:35,800
meeting if they I think so I see some

2047
01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:38,280
people who wants to go first Peter

2048
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:41,080
or yeah I'm just here if there's any

2049
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:43,880
questions you know concerns if I can

2050
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:46,239
need to address them so okay you're

2051
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:50,920
satisfied with uh with what the report

2052
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:54,440
from Hannah has said oh yes okay is

2053
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:56,239
there anyone else wish to comment

2054
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:59,600
I already have a motion but go ahead

2055
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:02,119
Mike if I your worship yes M clarify on

2056
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,920
councelor Walden's uh comment he is

2057
01:32:02,119 --> 01:32:05,920
correct the house has been removed

2058
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,440
however there has been a building permit

2059
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:10,119
issued for another residents to go on

2060
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:12,159
that basically same spot so there will

2061
01:32:10,119 --> 01:32:15,480
be a residence going back there thank

2062
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:18,239
you but but they they will know that

2063
01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:21,960
there's a elevator beside them they are

2064
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:25,840
aware yes okay it's the same same

2065
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:28,000
owners yeah they they were you know it

2066
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:30,119
obviously had to be done and and and the

2067
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,960
and the owners the new owners and all

2068
01:32:30,119 --> 01:32:34,800
that have worked through it but it it is

2069
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:37,719
a bit frustrating from an from a

2070
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:40,600
business point of view in the country an

2071
01:32:37,719 --> 01:32:42,320
elevator that's been there for it's been

2072
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,239
there a long time I grant you it's

2073
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:48,520
gotten bigger smaller whatever but it's

2074
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:50,920
still been an elevator dryers Etc and

2075
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:53,080
especially maybe knowing the area

2076
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:55,119
knowing the owners that that were beside

2077
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:57,480
each other it seems a little frustrating

2078
01:32:55,119 --> 01:33:00,480
that someone has to go through that step

2079
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:03,560
but that's done fair enough I'm I'm glad

2080
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:05,760
it I'm glad that the ministry said it's

2081
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:09,440
okay uh that's I guess the most

2082
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:11,960
important part so is there anyone in the

2083
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:13,719
public wish to comment uh on this

2084
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,880
process as it is a public meeting and

2085
01:33:13,719 --> 01:33:18,360
we're changing the zoning

2086
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:21,360
bylaw I have I have no members of the

2087
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:23,320
public here tonight to comment okay I

2088
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:25,320
see some faces on my screen but I

2089
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:28,320
appreciate they're there to listen in or

2090
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:30,719
whatever so fair enough thank you um

2091
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:32,480
then are we prepared then can I call for

2092
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:35,119
that motion to come forward if there's

2093
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:38,920
no other questions of counselors to

2094
01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:41,320
uh to the uh

2095
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:43,840
owners I'm going to then assume that we

2096
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:46,000
can call the uh the question it was

2097
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,920
first it was there is a motion on from

2098
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,320
councelor Walton second by councel

2099
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:52,119
Becker that we do approve as per the

2100
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,280
recommendation of the zoning bylaw

2101
01:33:52,119 --> 01:33:55,840
Amendment

2102
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:59,760
I'm going to call the question all those

2103
01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:03,719
in favor of the amendment please say I I

2104
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:06,159
I any opposed hearing none the motion

2105
01:34:03,719 --> 01:34:09,080
carries Hannah what's is there anything

2106
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:11,880
we need to do next or comments y um we

2107
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:13,600
just have the second motion with respect

2108
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:16,600
Publican agency

2109
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:19,480
comments um so I do recommend um that

2110
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,679
Council select option 2A that no public

2111
01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:22,400
comments were received on this

2112
01:34:20,679 --> 01:34:26,800
application so there was no effect on

2113
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:28,960
the decision um and that um option 3 be

2114
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,280
selected that agency comments were

2115
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,840
received in support of the application

2116
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:34,000
the effect of which results in the

2117
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,360
decision to approve the

2118
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:39,199
application okay I need a mover for the

2119
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:41,800
for 2 a and three I believe she said so

2120
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:43,400
so moved councelor Walen seconded by

2121
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:46,199
councelor

2122
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:51,320
venberg all those in favor of the motion

2123
01:34:46,199 --> 01:34:53,719
please say I I all any opposed hearing

2124
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:56,080
none the motion carries is there any

2125
01:34:53,719 --> 01:34:58,880
comments you need to talk uh process

2126
01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:00,679
here uh yep um so Peter and Wayne um

2127
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:03,000
your next step is you'll soon receive a

2128
01:35:00,679 --> 01:35:04,719
notice of decision uh that outlines

2129
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:07,320
appeal rights so there is a 20-day

2130
01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:09,679
appeal period um after which the zoning

2131
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:11,440
bylaw will be enforced in effect um and

2132
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:14,760
then you will have another condition

2133
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:18,119
fulfilled on your original consent

2134
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:19,880
application thank you thank you uh both

2135
01:35:18,119 --> 01:35:22,679
for your uh working through this with

2136
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:25,400
staff we appreciate it um it is a it is

2137
01:35:22,679 --> 01:35:29,239
the process I guess

2138
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:30,920
okay Merry Christmas to you take care

2139
01:35:29,239 --> 01:35:35,360
right out

2140
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:40,880
bye okay consent application file c81

2141
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:40,880
D20 lot 178 plan 265

2142
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:47,199
Hensel go

2143
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:49,440
ahead um so as stated uh the next is for

2144
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:52,639
consent Opti C

2145
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:56,320
8120 uh the subject lands are located at

2146
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:58,400
176 King Street in Hensel the ls are

2147
01:35:56,320 --> 01:36:00,560
designated residential in the Blue Water

2148
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:03,560
official plan and are zoned residential

2149
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:06,040
medium density Zone R2 in the Blue Water

2150
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,040
zoning

2151
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:11,040
bylaw um so this is a current site photo

2152
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:13,320
of the property um Council should be

2153
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:15,480
aware that um the property is currently

2154
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:18,159
under construction in support of a semi

2155
01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:19,960
detached dwelling um the semi detached

2156
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:22,719
dwelling has already been granted a

2157
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:25,280
building permit on the subject lands um

2158
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:26,880
as this is already um permitted as a

2159
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:29,639
right in the

2160
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:32,239
zone um so this was done prior to the

2161
01:36:29,639 --> 01:36:34,400
consent application um the consent

2162
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:36,760
application is not necessarily needed to

2163
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:39,000
facilitate the construction of the semi

2164
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:41,639
uh but the applicant does have desire to

2165
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,960
have each unit of the semi be separately

2166
01:36:41,639 --> 01:36:46,080
conveyable in the future and they would

2167
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:49,480
also like to facilitate having separate

2168
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,679
utilities uh for each unit um so just so

2169
01:36:49,480 --> 01:36:55,520
that council is aware uh that'll help to

2170
01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:55,520
provide some context to some of the

2171
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:02,760
um so in terms of the actual um

2172
01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:04,920
Severance so the uh Severance

2173
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:08,080
application is seeking um to split the

2174
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:09,760
lot uh directly in half um so along uh

2175
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:12,440
what'll eventually be the common wall

2176
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,560
between the semidetached dwelling um so

2177
01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:16,679
each a lot both severed and retained

2178
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:19,400
will have an area of approximately 400

2179
01:37:16,679 --> 01:37:22,840
square meters uh which is around

2180
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:26,600
4,370 sare feet each and the frontage of

2181
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:29,320
each um lot will be uh approximately 9 M

2182
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:33,280
or just under 30 ft um and that'll be

2183
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:35,840
for a total of just under 18 meters uh

2184
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:38,119
for the entire building in terms of the

2185
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:40,000
analysis for the severance um in terms

2186
01:37:38,119 --> 01:37:41,719
of looking at the provincial policy

2187
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,080
statement the hon County official plan

2188
01:37:41,719 --> 01:37:46,280
and the Blue Water official plan uh they

2189
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:48,960
both direct developments such as this uh

2190
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:51,920
towards designated areas with um within

2191
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:53,679
settlement areas uh such as Hensel um

2192
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:56,639
the subject lands are located within the

2193
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:58,159
residential designation um the intended

2194
01:37:56,639 --> 01:38:00,199
Severance is promoting infill

2195
01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:02,560
development and mixed dwelling types and

2196
01:38:00,199 --> 01:38:05,239
does permit um severances to support

2197
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:07,360
residential development uh specifically

2198
01:38:05,239 --> 01:38:10,199
section 9.1 of the Bluewater official

2199
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:12,800
plan addresses uh General land division

2200
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:14,520
policies um one of which includes that

2201
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:18,320
development shall be in accordance with

2202
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:20,280
provision of the zoning bylaw um so the

2203
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:24,159
proposed uh Severance as well as the

2204
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:27,239
existing um uh uh structure that is

2205
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:29,400
under construction on the um property uh

2206
01:38:27,239 --> 01:38:31,080
does comply uh with the requirements of

2207
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:33,639
the zoning bylaw I'll just go into

2208
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:36,679
further detail about that um so the R2

2209
01:38:33,639 --> 01:38:39,080
Zone um also permits the uses within the

2210
01:38:36,679 --> 01:38:42,040
residential low density Zone uh which

2211
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:44,040
includes um a semidetached dwelling uh

2212
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:45,599
the units are proposed to be identical

2213
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:49,960
in terms of their placement on the lot

2214
01:38:45,599 --> 01:38:51,159
and dimensions um within um um so the

2215
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,920
Zone area

2216
01:38:51,159 --> 01:38:57,840
minimum um in this uh for semidetached

2217
01:38:53,920 --> 01:39:00,639
dwellings is 270 square m for each unit

2218
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:03,119
um with a lot size of 406 square meters

2219
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:06,599
which in this case is equivalent um to

2220
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:10,239
the Zone area um the proposed Severance

2221
01:39:06,599 --> 01:39:12,679
is exceeding uh the required lot area uh

2222
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:15,119
as well the maximum Zone coverage is 40%

2223
01:39:12,679 --> 01:39:16,880
for each unit uh the proposed Severance

2224
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:18,119
will result in a Zone coverage of

2225
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:21,560
approximately

2226
01:39:18,119 --> 01:39:23,440
29.6% for each proposed lot uh so it is

2227
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:25,840
meeting um The Zone coverage provision

2228
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:28,440
ision uh so the zoning bylaw also

2229
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:30,440
provides for a minimum Frontage um this

2230
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:33,040
is expressed in terms of the context of

2231
01:39:30,440 --> 01:39:35,560
the entire semidetached dwelling uh so

2232
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:38,480
the entire building for both units which

2233
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:40,480
is a minimum of 15 meters the current

2234
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:42,440
Frontage is 18 meters for the entire

2235
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:44,280
building um and is not proposed to

2236
01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:46,920
change as a result of the severance so

2237
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:48,639
this part of the zoning provision is met

2238
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:50,679
uh there are other relevant Zone

2239
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:52,560
Provisions for the proposed development

2240
01:39:50,679 --> 01:39:55,960
that will not change as a result of the

2241
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:59,159
severance um so this is things like um

2242
01:39:55,960 --> 01:40:02,639
interior yards interior yard setback uh

2243
01:39:59,159 --> 01:40:05,040
front yard setback um rear yard setback

2244
01:40:02,639 --> 01:40:08,000
all of which um are met and comply with

2245
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:10,360
the blue water uh zoning bylaw uh

2246
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:12,880
furthermore uh all properties must AB

2247
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:14,760
but um a public road uh the proposed

2248
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,920
severed and retained Lots will both have

2249
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:19,960
access to King Street um and the hon

2250
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:23,320
County Public Works has already provided

2251
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:25,800
entrance permits uh for both Lots uh

2252
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:27,520
given the or sorry for both units uh

2253
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:30,159
under the understanding that they will

2254
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:33,119
eventually the intent is to sever them

2255
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:35,000
to create two new laws um in terms of

2256
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:37,800
Municipal comments I have summarized

2257
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:39,719
them here um as there were uh some

2258
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:42,520
important key uh key points that

2259
01:40:39,719 --> 01:40:44,239
influence the conditions um the first

2260
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:46,679
one being that there will be two water

2261
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:49,000
meters and transmitters installed uh for

2262
01:40:46,679 --> 01:40:51,520
each unit or each separate lot uh

2263
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,520
reflected by condition number eight and

2264
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:55,679
as built surveyor real report is

2265
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:58,040
required as condition number six um so

2266
01:40:55,679 --> 01:41:00,760
this is to confirm um that the proposed

2267
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:03,040
interior lot line follows along um the

2268
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:05,679
common wall between the units and that

2269
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:07,080
that is accurate uh a drywall is

2270
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:09,360
required to be installed in both of the

2271
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,960
rear yards for the proposed lot um to

2272
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:13,360
deal with drainage reflected by

2273
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:15,280
condition number nine uh as well uh

2274
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:19,119
outstanding taxes and condition number

2275
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:21,599
three 911 addressing is provided as per

2276
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:22,880
condition number four um staff also note

2277
01:41:21,599 --> 01:41:24,440
that there are no Municipal drains on

2278
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:27,440
the subject lands and the fire

2279
01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:29,320
department has no concerns uh as well as

2280
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:31,080
as I spoke to earlier here on County

2281
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:33,239
Public Works has no concerns and has

2282
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:34,119
already granted uh entrance permits for

2283
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:37,000
each

2284
01:41:34,119 --> 01:41:38,719
unit in terms of public um comments

2285
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:40,880
there were public comments received from

2286
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:43,159
four different households uh these full

2287
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:45,520
comments uh were all received by email

2288
01:41:43,159 --> 01:41:48,360
and are included um in council's package

2289
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:52,080
I have summarized um the concerns in

2290
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:54,440
this table as well as um the applicants

2291
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:56,159
response uh as he did provide some

2292
01:41:54,440 --> 01:41:58,040
response to some of the main concerns

2293
01:41:56,159 --> 01:41:59,520
that were raised uh these have been

2294
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:02,639
conveyed to the neighbors and they are

2295
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:04,119
summarized as followed uh as well um the

2296
01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:05,560
planner's comments have also been

2297
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:08,239
inserted so I'm just going to go over

2298
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:10,280
those um the first concern was just uh

2299
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:12,760
in terms of privacy for the adjacent

2300
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:15,440
land owners um the owner has advised

2301
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:17,360
that he plans to install a privacy fence

2302
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:19,000
um this has been reflected by uh the

2303
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,360
planner's recommendation for condition

2304
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:25,400
number 10 to require the privacy fence

2305
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:28,480
be constructed um the second concern was

2306
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:30,960
particular due to that um the severance

2307
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:33,400
may result in separate ownership of each

2308
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:34,880
unit uh which may result in separate

2309
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:37,199
maintenance and they did have some

2310
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:39,000
concerns with the look of this the owner

2311
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:41,440
has advised that the design is to be

2312
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:43,040
consistent between both units and the

2313
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:46,000
products on the exterior will have a

2314
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:47,520
30-year warranty uh there was concerns

2315
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:50,000
about the movement of the existing

2316
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:52,880
hydrop pole I will just go back to the

2317
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:54,960
site photo um so the hydrop pole in

2318
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:57,719
question is located here uh the

2319
01:42:54,960 --> 01:43:01,520
applicant has advised um that they

2320
01:42:57,719 --> 01:43:03,639
intend to move it 1.5 met to the east um

2321
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:06,719
and that this will be maintained at 0.5

2322
01:43:03,639 --> 01:43:08,520
meter setb from um their adjacent uh the

2323
01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:11,920
adjacent property so the hydrop pole

2324
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:14,080
will remain uh on the subject lands uh

2325
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:16,719
as well there was a concern um from an

2326
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:18,800
existing neighbor uh due to as a result

2327
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:21,080
of the construction there was some

2328
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:23,320
excavation of soil that was piling up

2329
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:25,119
near the back of the lot um and they

2330
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:27,000
just had some concerns about runoff the

2331
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:28,719
owner has advised that they they intend

2332
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:31,920
to use this as backfill and it will be

2333
01:43:28,719 --> 01:43:33,520
leveled out um a dryw will be required

2334
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,719
to be installed in the RAR yard of each

2335
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,080
unit uh to reduce the potential for

2336
01:43:35,719 --> 01:43:39,320
runoff as

2337
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:41,040
well um one of the other particular

2338
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:43,520
concerns was from the northern property

2339
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:47,599
owner um just in terms of their access

2340
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:49,560
to their backyard gate and fence um so I

2341
01:43:47,599 --> 01:43:51,199
did speak to both um the neighbor and

2342
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,560
the owner about this and I asked them to

2343
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:55,000
advise if there were any existing

2344
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:56,960
easement on the subject lands that gave

2345
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,159
access to um the backyard to the

2346
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:01,800
northern neighbor um just because he

2347
01:43:59,159 --> 01:44:03,199
said it was a bit easier to um go

2348
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:05,679
through his neighbor's property to

2349
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:09,000
access his backyard and I did put them

2350
01:44:05,679 --> 01:44:10,880
in uh I did ask if they if the northern

2351
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:13,360
owner would like to be put in contact

2352
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:15,159
with um the property owner of the

2353
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,920
proposed semi- detached dwelling so that

2354
01:44:15,159 --> 01:44:18,239
they could initiate a conversation about

2355
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:20,520
this and potentially of a mutual

2356
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:21,920
agreement um and the owner has advised

2357
01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:24,440
that he doesn't have any knowledge of an

2358
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:26,280
easan on title and as well um it is

2359
01:44:24,440 --> 01:44:28,760
worth noting for council's clarification

2360
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:31,719
that the proposed development is to be

2361
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:33,719
contained within his own property um and

2362
01:44:31,719 --> 01:44:36,440
that a survey will be required as a

2363
01:44:33,719 --> 01:44:37,920
condition of consent to confirm that um

2364
01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:39,760
there was also a public comment about

2365
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:43,280
the lot sizing patibility with

2366
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:45,000
neighboring properties um as noted in my

2367
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,639
report the proposed construction

2368
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:49,440
complies with the provisions of the Blue

2369
01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:51,920
Water zoning bylaw uh and particularly

2370
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:54,199
as it um relates to setbacks of

2371
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:55,840
neighboring properties those are all met

2372
01:44:54,199 --> 01:44:58,239
uh and as well they are not proposed to

2373
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,119
change as a result of the proposed

2374
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:02,440
Severance uh there was also other

2375
01:45:00,119 --> 01:45:04,080
concerns about the construction noise um

2376
01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:05,840
Municipal staff have been made aware of

2377
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,760
this and the owner has been advised of

2378
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:10,280
applicable bylaws concerning noise or

2379
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:13,040
other nuisances um what I will say to

2380
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:15,040
summarize public comments a a lot of

2381
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:16,560
them were uh in regards to the

2382
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:18,440
construction of the semi detached

2383
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,840
dwelling not

2384
01:45:18,440 --> 01:45:23,760
necessarily um the severance or the

2385
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:27,599
splitting of the lot into two uh two

2386
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:29,800
separately conveyable Lots um however I

2387
01:45:27,599 --> 01:45:31,719
think during this process it is good to

2388
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:33,840
um address some of uh the neighbor

2389
01:45:31,719 --> 01:45:36,000
comments um so as such you know the

2390
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:37,960
privacy fence will be required as a

2391
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,880
condition of consent and uh these

2392
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,920
responses have been conveyed um to the

2393
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:44,199
neighbors uh but there are still

2394
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:46,159
existing outstanding

2395
01:45:44,199 --> 01:45:48,400
concerns um so in terms of

2396
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:50,599
recommendation uh my planner report is

2397
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:53,239
recommending approval subject to the

2398
01:45:50,599 --> 01:45:56,360
following conditions uh most of these

2399
01:45:53,239 --> 01:45:59,360
conditions are standard um I will note

2400
01:45:56,360 --> 01:46:02,560
ones that are um that may not be a

2401
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:04,679
standard uh for council's purposes um so

2402
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,599
number six providing an ebuilt surveyor

2403
01:46:04,679 --> 01:46:08,679
real report to the satisfaction of the

2404
01:46:06,599 --> 01:46:11,480
municipality um the intent of that is

2405
01:46:08,679 --> 01:46:14,080
just to ensure that the proposed uh Pro

2406
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:15,920
interior property line uh does fall

2407
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:18,520
along uh the common wall of the

2408
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:21,280
semi-detached dwelling um as well

2409
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:23,000
servicing to water meters um and that a

2410
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:25,040
drywall be installed in the rear yard of

2411
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:27,920
each proposed lot so that's condition 8

2412
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:30,040
n in terms of other conditions number 10

2413
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:32,320
is that a privacy fence be constructed

2414
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:36,480
along the um existing interior side

2415
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:39,040
property lines um and the owner has um

2416
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:41,920
expressed that he does intend um to

2417
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:44,040
construct a privacy fence I am happy to

2418
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:47,040
answer any questions that uh Council may

2419
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:47,040
have

2420
01:46:59,159 --> 01:47:02,480
oh sorry mayor I think you're

2421
01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:15,800
muted thank you um yeah a question I

2422
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:18,440
have as pointed out this building was G

2423
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:19,800
ahead because under our rules and

2424
01:47:18,440 --> 01:47:21,760
regulations they could build the

2425
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:24,760
building what they're asking for is to

2426
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:27,960
sever it with the drywall uh dry well

2427
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:30,239
was that would that have been uh already

2428
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:32,880
recommended to them regardless of the

2429
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:34,960
severance Mike maybe you can answer that

2430
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:37,719
yeah sure through you your worship yeah

2431
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:41,119
there's was currently a drywall on the

2432
01:47:37,719 --> 01:47:43,520
North portion of that property uh that

2433
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:45,880
was permitted through the uh plans

2434
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,159
review process but as they're splitting

2435
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:50,000
the property in two it was felt that a

2436
01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:52,280
drywall on each portion of that property

2437
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:55,239
would be required to ensure that no

2438
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:59,159
surface dra AG

2439
01:47:55,239 --> 01:48:01,679
um discharges onto neighboring

2440
01:47:59,159 --> 01:48:04,159
property okay thank

2441
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:06,960
you any other questions right now to

2442
01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:10,440
Hannah or to Mike if not as this is a

2443
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:14,760
public meeting is the uh is the owner or

2444
01:48:10,440 --> 01:48:19,159
applicant in this evening yes I do have

2445
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:22,599
Peter here so I I I see Peter H there is

2446
01:48:19,159 --> 01:48:26,320
are you there yes I am uh pleasure to

2447
01:48:22,599 --> 01:48:29,000
meet sir uh you're um are you um you've

2448
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:31,599
heard the recommendations are you

2449
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:35,040
satisfied with these recommendations yes

2450
01:48:31,599 --> 01:48:38,880
I am okay any comments you wish to make

2451
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:42,000
to council not at this time no thank you

2452
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:43,960
counselors any questions to the uh to

2453
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:45,920
the

2454
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:48,560
applicant any

2455
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:51,400
questions thank you as this is a public

2456
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:54,400
meeting sir uh and I'm going to ask is

2457
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:57,440
there anyone in the Gallery wishes to

2458
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:58,560
comment uh with concerns or or support

2459
01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:00,960
on this

2460
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:02,800
application I have no other members of

2461
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:05,760
the public registered to speak to this

2462
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:08,320
application okay uh note that there was

2463
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:10,760
no uh one came forward at the public

2464
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:13,000
meeting this evening thank

2465
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,760
you counselors is there any other

2466
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:18,520
general questions you have with this

2467
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:20,480
application to Mr Mayor go ahead coun

2468
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:23,400
yes I was waiting I was sorry I was

2469
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:26,599
waiting to hear uh the owner or if any

2470
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:31,960
public were to comment before uh I had

2471
01:49:26,599 --> 01:49:35,239
any questions good go ahead um so just

2472
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:37,119
uh to start off with uh I am against

2473
01:49:35,239 --> 01:49:41,239
this uh

2474
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:45,960
Severance um I have many questions

2475
01:49:41,239 --> 01:49:48,960
and to start off with I find that it

2476
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:50,679
seems like a loophole to me to apply for

2477
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:53,520
a building permit for a semidetached

2478
01:49:50,679 --> 01:49:58,960
home and once the foundation is in then

2479
01:49:53,520 --> 01:50:02,119
apply for a sence after um if given um

2480
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:04,840
two lots in Hensel uh that have 30 feet

2481
01:50:02,119 --> 01:50:06,159
of front 30 feet of Frontage uh I

2482
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:09,400
understand it's a very deep lot but 30

2483
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:12,960
feet of Frontage um you would not

2484
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:16,719
typically be able to uh build two

2485
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:19,199
properties on there um and still abide

2486
01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:21,280
by the side lot um

2487
01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:24,320
clearances

2488
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:25,880
um it's just

2489
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:28,960
I didn't have enough time to do a lot of

2490
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:30,440
research I'm not sure if those uh you

2491
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:33,119
know the condos and exter and stuff I

2492
01:50:30,440 --> 01:50:35,159
think they're on owned land and leased

2493
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:36,800
property and how they and how those

2494
01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:39,199
people buy those houses that are

2495
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:44,440
attached um maybe somebody can confirm

2496
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:47,679
that for me but it seems to me that 30

2497
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:49,679
foot Frontage is is really tiny

2498
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:52,880
considering so if that is two separate

2499
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:56,280
Lots 40 years down the road or let

2500
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:59,760
pretend or heaven forbid that the uh one

2501
01:50:56,280 --> 01:51:04,040
place where to catch fire I'm not sure

2502
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:06,800
um how you would rebuild on that um

2503
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:08,400
giving that it's two separate laws um I

2504
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:12,320
know it was

2505
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:13,920
purchased um to have as a rental

2506
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:18,400
property

2507
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:21,040
um and and then once once the building

2508
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:23,760
started the severance was applied

2509
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,599
for I I don't understand how a builder

2510
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:28,719
can give 30-year

2511
01:51:25,599 --> 01:51:32,040
warranty uh on Building Products um

2512
01:51:28,719 --> 01:51:36,159
shingles siding whatever

2513
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:39,079
um and I'm concerned about two different

2514
01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:42,960
owners owning the same house not having

2515
01:51:39,079 --> 01:51:45,480
the same ideas on how is upkept

2516
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:48,560
um I have many opinions on this I I

2517
01:51:45,480 --> 01:51:52,280
don't know how to explain them all but

2518
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:53,159
uh I understand Hannah's argument that

2519
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:55,599
it

2520
01:51:53,159 --> 01:51:57,040
it all falls in line with the blue water

2521
01:51:55,599 --> 01:52:01,520
zoning

2522
01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:04,119
bylaw but to me this just doesn't seem

2523
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:05,920
right okay well that's it's our that's

2524
01:52:04,119 --> 01:52:08,360
why we have the the public meeting and

2525
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:11,840
the discussion as counselors uh

2526
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:13,719
reflecting U what what we think

2527
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:16,280
collectively in the in the community so

2528
01:52:13,719 --> 01:52:19,199
that's counselor you you made your

2529
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:22,040
points uh at this time and I think In

2530
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:25,560
fairness like did a pretty good job uh

2531
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:28,599
so is is there other counselors um with

2532
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:31,760
another opinion or or whatever or or

2533
01:52:28,599 --> 01:52:35,440
agreen it's counselors looking for

2534
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:35,440
discussion here

2535
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:44,320
clarification Mr Mayor yes go ahead um

2536
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:46,840
Mr Mayor I respect uh counselor from

2537
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:48,199
hensel's comments and I was listening to

2538
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:53,360
Hannah's

2539
01:52:48,199 --> 01:52:55,920
input and I think I believe she said

2540
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:59,599
that the application is within

2541
01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:03,880
compliance of our planning and uh the

2542
01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:08,079
provincial planning um to for this sort

2543
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:10,800
of Housing and whether we don't like two

2544
01:53:08,079 --> 01:53:12,440
owners or not we have duplexes and I

2545
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:14,960
believe they're allowed so that was just

2546
01:53:12,440 --> 01:53:18,040
one of my concerns I'm not saying that

2547
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:19,400
it should say yes or no for it but

2548
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:21,320
because we don't like duplexes I don't

2549
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:23,280
know if we can do that or or we can we

2550
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:26,199
could say that but but if it's in

2551
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:28,199
compliance with the planning act we may

2552
01:53:26,199 --> 01:53:32,320
want to think about that that's

2553
01:53:28,199 --> 01:53:34,040
all uh Mike can I on some clarification

2554
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:36,159
here on some of these technical points

2555
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:38,280
can you help out or I don't want to try

2556
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:39,199
to put you at the spot but GNA put you

2557
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:44,000
on the

2558
01:53:39,199 --> 01:53:48,400
spot no worries through you your worship

2559
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:51,719
um I think a good example of this style

2560
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:53,560
of of um Severance would be the Bayfield

2561
01:53:51,719 --> 01:53:57,760
medals

2562
01:53:53,560 --> 01:54:01,719
So within that subdivision they do semis

2563
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:04,639
they do triplexes and quads and their

2564
01:54:01,719 --> 01:54:07,639
process is more of a lot part lot

2565
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:09,800
control um process but it's the same

2566
01:54:07,639 --> 01:54:11,599
general idea so either way they're

2567
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:14,119
building a building and then they're

2568
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:17,639
sessioning it off when the foundation is

2569
01:54:14,119 --> 01:54:20,679
in the ground um so it's not something

2570
01:54:17,639 --> 01:54:23,000
new definitely to the municipality um

2571
01:54:20,679 --> 01:54:25,440
but that that's a good example for you

2572
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:28,119
as for warranties and stuff like that

2573
01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:29,440
yeah I have no comment on that Mike can

2574
01:54:28,119 --> 01:54:33,040
I ask you a question through you Mr

2575
01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:35,199
Mayor go ahead yes uh but in in Bayfield

2576
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:39,320
Meadows uh does the person that owns the

2577
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:39,320
house actually own the property the

2578
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:46,199
land

2579
01:54:41,239 --> 01:54:50,000
yes okay yes I do now Bayfield Muse is

2580
01:54:46,199 --> 01:54:53,719
different again right but this is more

2581
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:53,719
comparable to The Meadows

2582
01:54:54,840 --> 01:55:02,679
okay um it is rather I it is rather

2583
01:54:59,679 --> 01:55:04,280
strange but I guess it's it was uh it's

2584
01:55:02,679 --> 01:55:07,679
there's always the technical things it's

2585
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:10,480
a long narrow property so they were in

2586
01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:14,480
their right to start a building

2587
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:15,880
project and then coming and asking for

2588
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:18,440
this consent

2589
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:19,480
application I guess I would have been my

2590
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:21,560
sense would have been they would have

2591
01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:22,840
started right off the bat I guess maybe

2592
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:25,480
how I would do it

2593
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:28,360
I would come to the municipality and say

2594
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:29,719
I have this lot I can build two lots but

2595
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,639
I'm I'm going to have them separed up

2596
01:55:29,719 --> 01:55:34,040
front would councelor Harris would that

2597
01:55:31,639 --> 01:55:35,480
have been maybe a little more for the

2598
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:37,920
neighbors and that to have the

2599
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:41,239
discussion a little more up

2600
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:44,320
front uh through you Mr Mayor uh

2601
01:55:41,239 --> 01:55:46,920
definitely I just I think the Builder

2602
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:49,639
himself had the intention of selling

2603
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:52,360
them individually uh but would not been

2604
01:55:49,639 --> 01:55:56,040
have been able to build the building

2605
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:58,199
that he is building now if the Lots were

2606
01:55:56,040 --> 01:56:00,960
severed due to side

2607
01:55:58,199 --> 01:56:03,520
setbacks um so he went ahead and got the

2608
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:07,800
permit to build a semi detached with the

2609
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:07,800
intent to sever uh

2610
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:15,360
after counselors any any questions to uh

2611
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:16,760
to the applicant or to Mike Hannah

2612
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:19,159
Hannah go ahead I see your hand up thank

2613
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:21,440
you yeah sure I will I'll just speak to

2614
01:56:19,159 --> 01:56:24,800
the process again um I can't speak for

2615
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:27,280
the owners intent um but uh we did

2616
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:29,360
contemplate um after the building permit

2617
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:31,320
was granted with uh the owner two

2618
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:34,360
different options so Mike did speak to

2619
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:36,679
part lot control uh which is another way

2620
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:39,239
that you can uh split a lot and that's

2621
01:56:36,679 --> 01:56:42,239
typically done again for these types of

2622
01:56:39,239 --> 01:56:44,040
multi-unit uh structures the only caveat

2623
01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:47,079
with that is at time of part lot control

2624
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:49,119
at time of application we require uh

2625
01:56:47,079 --> 01:56:51,599
professional survey so the the builder

2626
01:56:49,119 --> 01:56:53,239
needs to know exactly where um that lot

2627
01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:55,880
line is going to be and exactly where

2628
01:56:53,239 --> 01:56:58,520
their Foundation is poured um the owner

2629
01:56:55,880 --> 01:57:01,400
was not at that point yet however they

2630
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:04,159
wish to uh proceed with getting separate

2631
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:07,199
utilities um moving forward with having

2632
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:11,480
two separate entrances so as such uh the

2633
01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:13,800
consent process was posed um to Peter um

2634
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:15,560
with the intent that the survey is

2635
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:17,560
required as a condition of consent

2636
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:20,199
within one year of it being granted so

2637
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:21,880
it would provide him the time to uh

2638
01:57:20,199 --> 01:57:25,119
provisionally be granted the consent and

2639
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:27,760
the for separate entrances and utilities

2640
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:29,599
uh with the intent that the exact survey

2641
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:32,679
and the surveyor's real report would

2642
01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:34,560
follow within a year um so Peter was

2643
01:57:32,679 --> 01:57:38,440
posed with those two options he decided

2644
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:40,239
to proceed um with um a consent um again

2645
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:42,760
I will note the one benefit of the

2646
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:45,239
consent process um to the public is that

2647
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:46,800
they are notified about it and I think

2648
01:57:45,239 --> 01:57:49,560
this way you know Council was able to

2649
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:51,920
hear the neighbor concerns about this um

2650
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:54,000
with part lack control uh it's not as

2651
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:56,480
public as a process so no notice is

2652
01:57:54,000 --> 01:58:00,440
given with that respect um in terms of

2653
01:57:56,480 --> 01:58:03,199
the setback so the setbacks with the two

2654
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:05,119
um other existing properties as as they

2655
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:07,079
exist so the other two existing

2656
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:09,079
dwellings those setbacks are not

2657
01:58:07,079 --> 01:58:11,400
proposed to change as a result of the

2658
01:58:09,079 --> 01:58:15,040
severance and as well the new new

2659
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:16,760
interior uh lot line uh only doesn't

2660
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:18,880
require an interior yard setback so

2661
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:20,520
that's zero meters um so again it's

2662
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:23,159
going to follow along that built lot

2663
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:26,400
line um so as a result to the severance

2664
01:58:23,159 --> 01:58:29,520
the setbacks are not required to change

2665
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:31,360
um so I will say um the building was as

2666
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:33,320
proposed complied with the zoning at

2667
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,840
time of building permit as well as uh

2668
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:37,280
time as consent

2669
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:39,679
application um and again you know in

2670
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:42,639
terms of what application the applicant

2671
01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:44,440
chose to apply to first um you know

2672
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:45,920
that's up to them there's no set process

2673
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:48,119
that you need to do one ahead of the

2674
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:51,400
other um the building could have been

2675
01:58:48,119 --> 01:58:54,679
granted without the consent uh and there

2676
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:54,679
just would have been lot

2677
01:58:55,119 --> 01:59:00,480
there councelor Harris h thank you Mr

2678
01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:02,880
Mayor if I may comment um yes Hannah I

2679
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:05,560
do understand that the interior lot line

2680
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:08,880
in the center uh is at zero meters my

2681
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:10,840
point is if that was two separate Lots

2682
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:13,159
you would have 30 feet to build two

2683
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:17,480
separate houses on and you would not be

2684
01:59:13,159 --> 01:59:19,199
able to comply uh to a side Lot setback

2685
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:22,119
if it was two separate buildings on two

2686
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:24,000
separate lots that was my point on the

2687
01:59:22,119 --> 01:59:27,960
centered on the center lot side back or

2688
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:31,199
Center Line set back um and to follow up

2689
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:33,679
with utilities um I'm I'm absolutely

2690
01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:37,280
sure without having two separate

2691
01:59:33,679 --> 01:59:39,520
properties you can have uh um uh

2692
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:41,800
separate utilities water and sewer I

2693
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:45,440
mean apartment buildings and uh three

2694
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:49,280
story walk-ups do it all the time um and

2695
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:51,360
they're owned by one person um so

2696
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:54,560
putting the reasoning for having

2697
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:57,719
separate utility and Sewer uh as for to

2698
01:59:54,560 --> 02:00:00,320
separate the Lots uh I don't believe uh

2699
01:59:57,719 --> 02:00:00,320
is a good

2700
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:10,920
excuse all right um counselors we uh we

2701
02:00:07,079 --> 02:00:13,840
have I guess uh two options here uh Mike

2702
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:17,320
I guess is that correct or Hannah I

2703
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:21,199
guess uh it's either uh a motion

2704
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:24,719
to I guess there's three to defer or to

2705
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:26,320
approve or not approv um councilor there

2706
02:00:24,719 --> 02:00:27,599
is anyone prepared to make a motion at

2707
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:31,400
this

2708
02:00:27,599 --> 02:00:34,320
time I make a motion that we do not

2709
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:37,199
approve the severance okay is there a

2710
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:37,199
seconder for that

2711
02:00:38,119 --> 02:00:42,320
motion is there a seconder for the

2712
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:46,840
motion third time is there a seconder

2713
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:49,560
for the

2714
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:51,639
motion I I'll second it just for further

2715
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:53,520
discussions councelor wetstone thank you

2716
02:00:51,639 --> 02:00:55,800
counc

2717
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:57,639
um so I have a a question then if I

2718
02:00:55,800 --> 02:01:00,360
could too yes I think you're gonna ask

2719
02:00:57,639 --> 02:01:04,040
the question go ahead that's the reason

2720
02:01:00,360 --> 02:01:05,599
why I second it so so and again I second

2721
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:08,719
it just for further discussion more than

2722
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:11,840
anything else so I'm looking at

2723
02:01:08,719 --> 02:01:14,679
councelor Harris as

2724
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:20,400
to um he made the motion I did second it

2725
02:01:14,679 --> 02:01:20,400
again for discussion as to why the

2726
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:25,960
motion if I may

2727
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:28,440
go ahead um I'm concerned excuse me I'm

2728
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:32,159
concerned about the condition of the

2729
02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:36,079
property of what it may entail um we

2730
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:39,400
have some properties in around Hensel uh

2731
02:01:36,079 --> 02:01:44,360
that uh uh were rentals and then got

2732
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:47,119
sold off um and this being on uh blue

2733
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:51,320
waterer Highway not on a side street I'm

2734
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:52,960
concerned that uh in 10 to 15 years um

2735
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:56,400
there's going to be blue siding on one

2736
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:58,960
side and yellow siding on the other um

2737
02:01:56,400 --> 02:02:00,719
there's going to be uh one homeowner

2738
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:02,360
that likes to cut his grass and the

2739
02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:04,520
other that doesn't I mean you get that

2740
02:02:02,360 --> 02:02:07,239
from property to property I understand

2741
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:12,639
that but on a semi- detached home that

2742
02:02:07,239 --> 02:02:14,639
can be uh right on 84 uh that could be

2743
02:02:12,639 --> 02:02:19,599
possibly

2744
02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:21,920
um uh just ugly I guess you could say um

2745
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:24,199
and I think if it had one owner that was

2746
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:25,880
rental which was his first

2747
02:02:24,199 --> 02:02:29,199
intention

2748
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:32,719
um I think that person would have more

2749
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:36,400
control on on the condition and look the

2750
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:38,920
physical look of what that property uh

2751
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:38,920
is up

2752
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:47,840
kept thank you C is there any other

2753
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:49,400
comments to this

2754
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:51,920
motion

2755
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:55,639
counselors uh Mr Mayor yes go ahead go

2756
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:58,760
ahead Deputy uh thank you uh uh yeah I I

2757
02:02:55,639 --> 02:03:01,400
mean I I I understand uh the concern and

2758
02:02:58,760 --> 02:03:04,520
the points that have been raised but I

2759
02:03:01,400 --> 02:03:06,599
don't understand those as far as the

2760
02:03:04,520 --> 02:03:08,239
planning Act is concerned or this

2761
02:03:06,599 --> 02:03:12,320
Severance and how it affects the

2762
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:14,440
severance and I think uh if we do not

2763
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:19,599
recommend and we're only recommending

2764
02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:21,239
approval for this consent uh then uh

2765
02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:23,679
we'll be going down we'll be going to

2766
02:03:21,239 --> 02:03:25,639
alpat we'll be going through another

2767
02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:29,280
hearing and and we'll be going through

2768
02:03:25,639 --> 02:03:31,320
extra costs on that it does conform it

2769
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:34,719
is it took me some thinking to get

2770
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:37,119
through it but it is very similar to the

2771
02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:39,840
uh Bayfield Meadows and we do that all

2772
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:41,800
the time and uh you know it's up to the

2773
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:43,719
owners to get together and we can't

2774
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:46,800
legislate good taste and color or

2775
02:03:43,719 --> 02:03:50,320
shingles or anything like that so I

2776
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:52,800
think that I cannot support a letter a

2777
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:56,719
motion to deny

2778
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:58,639
okay um if I make uh if Council allows

2779
02:03:56,719 --> 02:04:00,719
me just to maybe fed a little more where

2780
02:03:58,639 --> 02:04:03,440
the deputy was coming from when when he

2781
02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:06,320
said he's not sure about the legal

2782
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:10,760
process I I Look to Hannah and to Mike

2783
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:13,159
and you can bounce it off but okay the

2784
02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:15,880
motion is to deny and it's denied what

2785
02:04:13,159 --> 02:04:19,079
what steps have what could steps be

2786
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:21,840
taken uh with the owner guess

2787
02:04:19,079 --> 02:04:24,280
hypothetically or where you say could go

2788
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:27,880
goes to the county well I really goes

2789
02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:30,880
the county but at this step here um yep

2790
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:33,199
um so blue water council's ability to

2791
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:34,800
approve recommend deferral in the case

2792
02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:36,639
of a deferral it would be to get more

2793
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:38,159
information or to provide more time to

2794
02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:40,480
resolve neighbor comments and then it

2795
02:04:38,159 --> 02:04:41,679
could come back to Blue Water Council uh

2796
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:43,920
for further

2797
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:46,639
consideration um if you were to approve

2798
02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:49,199
or deny uh or recommend approval of

2799
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:50,719
denial sorry uh as the deputy was

2800
02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:53,880
stating it would go to the County

2801
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:57,040
Council for DEC ision um in theory if

2802
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:59,679
that were to be um approved uh the

2803
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:01,119
neighbors would H uh would also receive

2804
02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:04,000
a notice and they would have a right of

2805
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:06,800
appeal to elpat uh alternatively if the

2806
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:08,599
application were to be Deni um the

2807
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:10,719
neighbors as well as owners would still

2808
02:05:08,599 --> 02:05:12,639
have appeal rights um and in theory you

2809
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:14,320
know the owner could appeal this um to

2810
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:16,920
the alpad so that could be considered a

2811
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:19,679
process or alternatively um the

2812
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:22,360
applicant may choose to withdraw their

2813
02:05:19,679 --> 02:05:24,040
application okay thank you

2814
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:29,159
um for the

2815
02:05:24,040 --> 02:05:32,040
clarification uh all right so Council we

2816
02:05:29,159 --> 02:05:36,599
have a a motion on

2817
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:36,599
table are we prepared to call a

2818
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:42,520
vote I'm going to call the vote the

2819
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:48,880
motion is to

2820
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:54,040
deny all those in favor say I

2821
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:55,679
I okay all those in uh for um against

2822
02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:57,719
the denial

2823
02:05:55,679 --> 02:05:59,400
say

2824
02:05:57,719 --> 02:06:05,159
n

2825
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:07,800
he hey there I heard two eyes for the uh

2826
02:06:05,159 --> 02:06:09,880
for the denial and I heard more than

2827
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:13,960
four or five I think uh I heard

2828
02:06:09,880 --> 02:06:18,480
definitely more Nays so U the the motion

2829
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:18,480
is defeated is there another

2830
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:25,000
recommendation Mr Mr Mayor I'll move

2831
02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:29,159
that uh we approve uh we recommend

2832
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:30,679
approval of the uh of the consent and uh

2833
02:06:29,159 --> 02:06:33,159
bearing in mind that there's always an

2834
02:06:30,679 --> 02:06:36,159
appeal by any party all the way along

2835
02:06:33,159 --> 02:06:38,719
the process thank you is there a

2836
02:06:36,159 --> 02:06:41,440
second Mr Mayor I would second it

2837
02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:44,119
seconded by councelor

2838
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:45,840
Walden is there any comments anyone

2839
02:06:44,119 --> 02:06:48,440
wishes to make and I appreciate we've

2840
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:52,440
had great discussion but I as a chair

2841
02:06:48,440 --> 02:06:55,079
I'll I need to ask again thank

2842
02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:57,199
you any other

2843
02:06:55,079 --> 02:06:59,520
comments hearing none I'm going to call

2844
02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:05,000
the question all those in favor of

2845
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:05,920
approval of this uh consent to uh make

2846
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:11,440
it two

2847
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:13,000
lots all those favor say I I any any

2848
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:16,040
opposed

2849
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:18,920
Nate hearing the eyes and nay I declare

2850
02:07:16,040 --> 02:07:18,920
that the motion

2851
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:25,800
carries and that's been approved

2852
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:28,599
um Hannah what's the next step here

2853
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:31,239
again uh yep um Peter um so your next

2854
02:07:28,599 --> 02:07:33,920
step will be uh going to County Council

2855
02:07:31,239 --> 02:07:36,000
um for decision um at the next available

2856
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:38,520
meeting will likely be um at the

2857
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:42,360
beginning of January so we will be in

2858
02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:46,400
contact okay thank you okay thank

2859
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:50,320
you okay we're now at

2860
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:53,079
7.2 good night Hannah uh take

2861
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:58,000
care uh we're now at

2862
02:07:53,079 --> 02:07:59,400
7.2 uh Mike Ross reports uh blue flag is

2863
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:03,079
the first one

2864
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:07,199
7.21 blue flag application I can take

2865
02:08:03,079 --> 02:08:10,199
that mayor okay thank you thank you so

2866
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:12,480
um Council it won't uh come as a

2867
02:08:10,199 --> 02:08:15,960
surprise to you that uh staff is

2868
02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:18,360
recommending not to input an application

2869
02:08:15,960 --> 02:08:22,119
for a blue flag award at Bayfield Main

2870
02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:27,360
Beach uh Bayfield Pier Beach uh for

2871
02:08:22,119 --> 02:08:31,159
2021 the um the beach is uh under great

2872
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:34,880
stress and in fact there is no parking

2873
02:08:31,159 --> 02:08:37,840
and no basic amenities left uh that can

2874
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:41,280
would allow us to even qualify so I'm

2875
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:44,800
suggesting that the program be uh put on

2876
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:48,760
Hiatus for a year till we can see what

2877
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:51,960
happens the water levels but uh so staff

2878
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:55,159
is recommending uh that uh

2879
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:58,079
Blue Water apply for a blue flag

2880
02:08:55,159 --> 02:09:01,239
application for the marina in

2881
02:08:58,079 --> 02:09:04,920
2021 uh I'm estimating the cost for the

2882
02:09:01,239 --> 02:09:04,920
delivery of the program to be

2883
02:09:05,199 --> 02:09:13,520
$642 and uh this year because of covid

2884
02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:16,520
gathering restrictions Etc the uh

2885
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:20,800
programs were not delivered uh which

2886
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:24,559
then uh so that creates a uh Savings in

2887
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:28,320
2020 that can be carried forward uh to

2888
02:09:24,559 --> 02:09:32,960
2021 that will result in a zero uh

2889
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:35,400
request for Zer for 2021 budget uh if we

2890
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:37,679
can roll over

2891
02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:41,119
$642 from

2892
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:44,800
2020 so Council my recommendation is

2893
02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:48,239
that uh three recommendations one that

2894
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:50,400
Council approve the pro proposed budget

2895
02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:52,840
for implementation of the blue flag

2896
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:55,679
program and the amount of

2897
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:59,639
6,425 and refer to the budget process

2898
02:09:55,679 --> 02:10:02,639
for information number two that Council

2899
02:09:59,639 --> 02:10:06,880
approve rolling over

2900
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:10,280
$642 from the 2020 budget balance uh to

2901
02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:12,159
the 2021 budget and number three that

2902
02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:15,480
Council approved the submission of

2903
02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:18,599
application for a 2021 blue flag award

2904
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:21,040
at Blue Water Marina in Bayfield to swim

2905
02:10:18,599 --> 02:10:24,599
drink fish who is the Canadian operator

2906
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:27,280
of the international blue flag

2907
02:10:24,599 --> 02:10:31,280
program okay counselors you've uh read

2908
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:33,960
this report I'm sure is there anyone um

2909
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:37,239
ready to speak on this or make a Rec

2910
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:37,239
make a a motion on

2911
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:43,360
recommendations councelor is looking for

2912
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:45,960
direction here councelor wetstone here

2913
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:47,440
yes go ahead so my comments on this is

2914
02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:49,599
that you know yeah it's been definitely

2915
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:51,480
a struggle as as our leene is attest to

2916
02:10:49,599 --> 02:10:52,800
for our beach here there's no doubt

2917
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:55,239
we're in serious trouble when it comes

2918
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:58,040
to that and actually our infrastructure

2919
02:10:55,239 --> 02:11:01,360
that's associated with it um so this is

2920
02:10:58,040 --> 02:11:03,440
the marina itself I mean I I I I do

2921
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:07,119
struggle even with it a little bit as

2922
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:10,280
well too as far as the blue flag um and

2923
02:11:07,119 --> 02:11:13,400
the uh the impact that blue flag may

2924
02:11:10,280 --> 02:11:16,679
have on on

2925
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:18,440
um having more impact a better impact

2926
02:11:16,679 --> 02:11:21,360
you know those type things however when

2927
02:11:18,440 --> 02:11:25,280
I'm looking at the budgetary

2928
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:28,360
issue that we have here um it's netting

2929
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:30,559
out at zero so I don't have an issue

2930
02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:31,920
moving forward the uh I don't know if we

2931
02:11:30,559 --> 02:11:33,920
have do we have to do three separate

2932
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:35,599
recommendations obviously I suspect but

2933
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:37,639
I have don't have an issue with at least

2934
02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:39,679
uh you know moving forward the first one

2935
02:11:37,639 --> 02:11:42,000
if that's the case if we how we want to

2936
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:43,800
do this so we're we're looking at a zero

2937
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:45,679
proposed budget so it's worth exploring

2938
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:50,199
and see what we can come up with this

2939
02:11:45,679 --> 02:11:53,840
year again to help us out okay um I'm

2940
02:11:50,199 --> 02:11:55,040
looking at Chandra for please I figured

2941
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:57,800
as

2942
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:59,599
much okay um all right is there someone

2943
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:03,000
willing to make the first motion then

2944
02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:05,239
for discussion and vote I'll move the

2945
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:10,119
first recommendation councelor wetstone

2946
02:12:05,239 --> 02:12:12,360
thank you second it councelor venberg

2947
02:12:10,119 --> 02:12:15,599
discussion hearing none all those in

2948
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:18,880
favor of the first

2949
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:22,239
recommendation say I

2950
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:24,960
SEC nay hearing none motion

2951
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:28,559
carries uh recommendation number two

2952
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:30,960
that it be a a move to the uh

2953
02:12:28,559 --> 02:12:35,079
20 21

2954
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:35,079
budget is there a mover for

2955
02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:43,159
that mover councelor venberg is seconded

2956
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:45,440
by councelor Harris councelor

2957
02:12:43,159 --> 02:12:47,639
Harris

2958
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:52,079
discussion G to call the question all

2959
02:12:47,639 --> 02:12:54,199
those in favor say I I any oppos

2960
02:12:52,079 --> 02:12:55,840
hearing none motion carries we're now at

2961
02:12:54,199 --> 02:12:58,880
number three Council approve the

2962
02:12:55,840 --> 02:13:01,920
submission for application for the 21

2963
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:06,199
blue flag award for the

2964
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:09,040
marina is there a motion for

2965
02:13:06,199 --> 02:13:11,880
that this time councelor wetstone

2966
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:15,440
councelor wetstone your second councelor

2967
02:13:11,880 --> 02:13:17,280
Walden councelor Walden

2968
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:19,760
discussion hearing none I'm going to

2969
02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:26,159
call the question all in favor of the

2970
02:13:19,760 --> 02:13:30,040
motion say i i i any opposed hearing

2971
02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:34,239
none motion carries thank you all right

2972
02:13:30,040 --> 02:13:37,000
thank you Marlene uh 7.22 erosion

2973
02:13:34,239 --> 02:13:42,800
control shoreline protection

2974
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:46,679
policy and Council I believe Mike will

2975
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:46,679
be any questions or

2976
02:13:46,719 --> 02:13:51,520
comments yeah through year year worship

2977
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:55,119
um I have four reports involving

2978
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:57,000
Shoreline protection the first one is um

2979
02:13:55,119 --> 02:14:00,159
an erosion control shoreline protection

2980
02:13:57,000 --> 02:14:02,520
policy so staff is asking Council to

2981
02:14:00,159 --> 02:14:05,280
direct staff to prepare an Euros control

2982
02:14:02,520 --> 02:14:08,280
policy a basically a comprehensive Co

2983
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:11,719
policy to be as transparent as we can um

2984
02:14:08,280 --> 02:14:13,199
as we know we're or as we are getting uh

2985
02:14:11,719 --> 02:14:15,360
more and more calls for shortland

2986
02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:17,559
protection of Municipal property uh

2987
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:20,679
staff feels its best to be um

2988
02:14:17,559 --> 02:14:22,360
transparent and and try to get this the

2989
02:14:20,679 --> 02:14:24,559
process down pat and everybody knows

2990
02:14:22,360 --> 02:14:26,440
what's going on uh moving forward what

2991
02:14:24,559 --> 02:14:29,079
would be required from Council from

2992
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:31,840
staff uh to make this as easy as

2993
02:14:29,079 --> 02:14:33,320
possible for everybody um within that

2994
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:35,520
report there's a bunch of bullets that

2995
02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:38,360
are questions

2996
02:14:35,520 --> 02:14:40,000
that questions that come to mind um when

2997
02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:41,480
we when we need to look at this policy

2998
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:43,880
these won't be all the questions but

2999
02:14:41,480 --> 02:14:45,760
these are definitely some of them um the

3000
02:14:43,880 --> 02:14:48,239
first one being the biggest is what type

3001
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:49,840
of agreement uh does council wish to

3002
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:52,440
proceed whether it's a license of

3003
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:54,760
occupation agreement like we did with uh

3004
02:14:52,440 --> 02:14:56,639
Mr McDonald on T Street and Bayfield or

3005
02:14:54,760 --> 02:14:58,639
is it an agreement where the

3006
02:14:56,639 --> 02:15:02,040
municipality undertakes uh the

3007
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:04,559
installation of these proposed Shoreline

3008
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:06,079
protection with the full cost going back

3009
02:15:04,559 --> 02:15:10,280
to

3010
02:15:06,079 --> 02:15:14,440
um to the requester basically uh this

3011
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:17,159
type two in my report is the preferred

3012
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:19,040
method from our legal council so just

3013
02:15:17,159 --> 02:15:20,520
giving you a heads up on that rather

3014
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:22,440
than that throw out those bullets if you

3015
02:15:20,520 --> 02:15:27,320
have any question questions regarding

3016
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:30,920
that um feel free to reach out okay

3017
02:15:27,320 --> 02:15:32,520
thank you counselors comments councelor

3018
02:15:30,920 --> 02:15:36,320
wetone here I do have a question for

3019
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:38,239
Mike if I could yep so item number two

3020
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:40,199
or Point number two under the

3021
02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:43,239
agreement

3022
02:15:40,199 --> 02:15:44,960
um this if I'm not mistaken Mike and it

3023
02:15:43,239 --> 02:15:47,000
might be in the report something says I

3024
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:49,840
did read it if I'm not mistaken this

3025
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:52,679
would entail a lot of Staff time

3026
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:54,960
obviously a pilot St time and to the

3027
02:15:52,679 --> 02:15:58,040
point with all the erosion as you

3028
02:15:54,960 --> 02:16:00,719
mentioned happening and requests coming

3029
02:15:58,040 --> 02:16:03,719
in I'm thinking we would probably be

3030
02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:05,960
looking for additional Staffing would

3031
02:16:03,719 --> 02:16:07,800
you not suggest

3032
02:16:05,960 --> 02:16:10,079
that I don't think we current our

3033
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:11,800
current headcount could bear what we

3034
02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:13,440
currently have that's my own opinion by

3035
02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:16,480
the way but because these are not

3036
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:18,800
short-term type projects either right

3037
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:21,159
but it would just be staff like we would

3038
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:22,679
still have to review the propos OS

3039
02:16:21,159 --> 02:16:24,040
drawings we would still have to draft

3040
02:16:22,679 --> 02:16:26,719
the agreement all that would stay the

3041
02:16:24,040 --> 02:16:29,119
same it would basically staffed on site

3042
02:16:26,719 --> 02:16:32,359
not 100% of the time but making sure

3043
02:16:29,119 --> 02:16:33,920
that the installation is done as per as

3044
02:16:32,359 --> 02:16:37,080
per the drawing So currently the way it

3045
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:38,679
is with the license of occupation um

3046
02:16:37,080 --> 02:16:40,000
staff doesn't get involved so basically

3047
02:16:38,679 --> 02:16:43,920
they sign the agreement these are the

3048
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:46,160
drawings okay Carry On um but if if we

3049
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:48,240
were to undertake it then we would be on

3050
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:50,439
site ensuring that it's installed as per

3051
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:51,639
the design and confirming such during

3052
02:16:50,439 --> 02:16:53,200
the process

3053
02:16:51,639 --> 02:16:54,920
there will be more staff time but I

3054
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:58,760
don't think it's as

3055
02:16:54,920 --> 02:17:00,719
orous as you're thinking it is fair

3056
02:16:58,760 --> 02:17:03,240
enough and one further question or

3057
02:17:00,719 --> 02:17:04,920
comment reading it in there is that with

3058
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:08,760
that one the municipality Bears the

3059
02:17:04,920 --> 02:17:10,679
responsibility for the risk and the LI

3060
02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:15,559
liability

3061
02:17:10,679 --> 02:17:17,120
um that makes me nervous to be honest so

3062
02:17:15,559 --> 02:17:19,599
you know there there's a whole reason

3063
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:21,880
why we uh we were doing the license of

3064
02:17:19,599 --> 02:17:25,240
occupation previously that was to get

3065
02:17:21,880 --> 02:17:28,120
away from liability was part of it

3066
02:17:25,240 --> 02:17:30,319
anyways yes

3067
02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:33,120
and you're correct the license of

3068
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:36,519
occupation does um have the

3069
02:17:33,120 --> 02:17:39,359
requestor um provide insurance coverage

3070
02:17:36,519 --> 02:17:40,960
um for the life of the wall as well as

3071
02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:43,439
for maintenance and for security if that

3072
02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:44,599
wall ever is removed now this other

3073
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:48,200
agreement definitely has not been

3074
02:17:44,599 --> 02:17:52,439
drafted yet so it could be amended any

3075
02:17:48,200 --> 02:17:54,920
way shape or form Council feel spit

3076
02:17:52,439 --> 02:17:54,920
councelor

3077
02:17:55,040 --> 02:18:02,120
venberg thank you mayor uh and to Mike

3078
02:17:58,960 --> 02:18:04,000
how would full cost recovery how would

3079
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:06,319
that

3080
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:08,960
happen What would be the steps the way I

3081
02:18:06,319 --> 02:18:10,479
foresee it happening again um this

3082
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:12,000
agreement has not been drafted and it

3083
02:18:10,479 --> 02:18:14,800
has not been presented in front of any

3084
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:17,840
legal um but the way I see it happening

3085
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:21,319
is we get um an estimate of how it's

3086
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:23,800
going to um how much the cost would be

3087
02:18:21,319 --> 02:18:24,880
and then um basically there' be a

3088
02:18:23,800 --> 02:18:26,840
financial agreement between the

3089
02:18:24,880 --> 02:18:28,439
requestor and the municipality they pay

3090
02:18:26,840 --> 02:18:31,080
all

3091
02:18:28,439 --> 02:18:33,040
cost um for the recovery of the

3092
02:18:31,080 --> 02:18:35,319
installation and there would probably be

3093
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:38,760
Securities involved in that

3094
02:18:35,319 --> 02:18:41,840
um so how would it be done um would have

3095
02:18:38,760 --> 02:18:45,760
to be hammered out in the

3096
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:47,639
agreement okay I'm just I'm just going

3097
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:51,840
with bad thoughts and saying okay now

3098
02:18:47,639 --> 02:18:55,040
it's time to pay up and people are going

3099
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:57,840
know we've got issues you know we don't

3100
02:18:55,040 --> 02:19:01,760
have the ability to pay now we need time

3101
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:05,040
to pay um and maybe other lawyers

3102
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:07,840
getting involved in that so uh I'm

3103
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:10,519
thinking like that in regards to the

3104
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:14,080
number one bullet point license of

3105
02:19:10,519 --> 02:19:16,880
occupation if we were to do that could

3106
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:21,519
we still ensure that

3107
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:23,200
staff um oversees it somewhat if if if

3108
02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:26,800
it's going to be on Municipal property

3109
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:30,960
wouldn't we want staff to make sure that

3110
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:35,040
it is being done properly just like any

3111
02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:37,880
other um build on any other property I

3112
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:40,200
guess yeah and that's what that's what

3113
02:19:37,880 --> 02:19:43,359
our our lawyer advice was is that staff

3114
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:45,960
would be on site um and take you know

3115
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:47,800
undertake the entire installation um

3116
02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:51,160
rather than just

3117
02:19:47,800 --> 02:19:53,399
having the requester ensure that is done

3118
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:54,920
appropriately right um the previous

3119
02:19:53,399 --> 02:19:57,920
license of occupation that was done I do

3120
02:19:54,920 --> 02:19:59,439
not believe has a provision in there for

3121
02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:01,479
any kind of a staff sign enough at the

3122
02:19:59,439 --> 02:20:03,920
end

3123
02:20:01,479 --> 02:20:06,240
um that's my understanding Lori if I'm

3124
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:10,280
incorrect please reach out um and

3125
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:13,960
furthermore back to your um question

3126
02:20:10,280 --> 02:20:16,200
regarding how we receive payment of fall

3127
02:20:13,960 --> 02:20:18,479
obviously the municipality would take a

3128
02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:19,880
substantial security prior to entering

3129
02:20:18,479 --> 02:20:23,240
into any kind of an agreement to make

3130
02:20:19,880 --> 02:20:25,359
sure um that will be covered up to a

3131
02:20:23,240 --> 02:20:29,840
certain point anyway and then there will

3132
02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:29,840
be drafts or payments along the

3133
02:20:30,080 --> 02:20:36,800
way okay thank you um any other

3134
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:39,640
questions of counselors Deputy Mayor Mr

3135
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:42,840
Mayor uh a couple questions or comment

3136
02:20:39,640 --> 02:20:45,359
to Mike um if if this is going to be

3137
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:47,000
done on mici property obviously we want

3138
02:20:45,359 --> 02:20:48,840
to have control of it or the

3139
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:51,040
municipality wants to have control of it

3140
02:20:48,840 --> 02:20:53,479
and to ensure that it's done correctly I

3141
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:55,479
mean would you not have the engineer

3142
02:20:53,479 --> 02:20:58,120
inspected as it was built and certify

3143
02:20:55,479 --> 02:21:00,479
that it was built as per engineered why

3144
02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:01,800
would we get into it we're not you know

3145
02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:02,760
we don't know that everything was done

3146
02:21:01,800 --> 02:21:05,840
why wouldn't we have just have the

3147
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:08,000
engineer certify it was done that's one

3148
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:10,080
question and the other question was we

3149
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:13,280
talked about liability you know what

3150
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:16,479
with joint and several liability in the

3151
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:18,640
municipal world uh all these claims go

3152
02:21:16,479 --> 02:21:19,800
to whoever has the biggest pockets in

3153
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:21,720
the end and that would be the

3154
02:21:19,800 --> 02:21:23,280
municipality there too so I mean we're

3155
02:21:21,720 --> 02:21:25,319
always going to be on the hook somewhere

3156
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:26,720
so I mean I think that's we have to

3157
02:21:25,319 --> 02:21:30,240
accept that as part of the risk and

3158
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:32,319
cover ourselves with the best agreements

3159
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:34,160
possible yeah I definitely agree with

3160
02:21:32,319 --> 02:21:36,120
your with your second comment Deputy

3161
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:38,560
Mayor um as for your first regarding an

3162
02:21:36,120 --> 02:21:40,160
engineered sign off um definitely I

3163
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:41,680
would I would like to see that and I

3164
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:44,040
will make sure that it is in whatever

3165
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:46,120
kind of an agreement that we uh that

3166
02:21:44,040 --> 02:21:48,479
Council wishes to move forward

3167
02:21:46,120 --> 02:21:53,080
on okay

3168
02:21:48,479 --> 02:21:55,640
um if I'm chime in I've uh enjoyed the

3169
02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:58,359
uh the comments of counselors you've uh

3170
02:21:55,640 --> 02:22:00,160
you've helped me a little bit uh because

3171
02:21:58,359 --> 02:22:01,880
I've been given a lot of thought uh

3172
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:04,720
there's Arguments for both yeah the

3173
02:22:01,880 --> 02:22:08,560
solicitor says that they like the the

3174
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:11,240
second method however the we we've gone

3175
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:13,560
through one we've had a couple of other

3176
02:22:11,240 --> 02:22:15,520
people I think since we've been elected

3177
02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:18,720
asking to try to uh work with us and and

3178
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:20,319
for whatever reasons that didn't proceed

3179
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:24,880
they did their own thing which is fine

3180
02:22:20,319 --> 02:22:27,399
too too um but uh on the McDonald one

3181
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:29,960
the the I know the lawyers uh agreed

3182
02:22:27,399 --> 02:22:33,319
that it was a good deal they said sign

3183
02:22:29,960 --> 02:22:37,040
it I I I think that the part about

3184
02:22:33,319 --> 02:22:39,880
significant staff time the part about we

3185
02:22:37,040 --> 02:22:42,680
are going to be a bit more responsible

3186
02:22:39,880 --> 02:22:47,280
for the risk and liability in option two

3187
02:22:42,680 --> 02:22:49,000
and at the uh uh that does scare me um

3188
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:51,920
the option

3189
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:55,000
one I think we got it pretty well as

3190
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:57,200
much as we can cornered when it says

3191
02:22:55,000 --> 02:23:00,520
well they they had to agree and they and

3192
02:22:57,200 --> 02:23:03,680
they paid for it well you know if they

3193
02:23:00,520 --> 02:23:05,200
as pointed out I think the deputy mayor

3194
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:06,479
they're gonna have some engineer or

3195
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:08,359
unless they were an engineer but they're

3196
02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:09,520
gonna have some engineer kind of giving

3197
02:23:08,359 --> 02:23:11,680
them some backup because they're

3198
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:15,040
spending serious dollars and at the end

3199
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:17,680
if we've got the documents that that

3200
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:20,920
says they're responsible if it falls

3201
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:23,279
down well it's to their best it's to

3202
02:23:20,920 --> 02:23:25,359
their benefit to make sure it's proper

3203
02:23:23,279 --> 02:23:27,080
um yes we can always go and look and

3204
02:23:25,359 --> 02:23:28,800
make sure that they're following what

3205
02:23:27,080 --> 02:23:30,479
the drawings look like but that's more

3206
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:33,000
to protect them because why wouldn't

3207
02:23:30,479 --> 02:23:34,920
they be following the documents so my

3208
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:37,600
gut feeling on this would

3209
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:39,120
be that that I think the license of

3210
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:41,279
occupation's been

3211
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:45,479
working it's worked

3212
02:23:41,279 --> 02:23:47,760
once uh uh and it's it puts a lot of

3213
02:23:45,479 --> 02:23:50,160
onus on the owner that's supposed to be

3214
02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:52,040
doing the work we obviously make sure

3215
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:54,479
that they follow the lot lines and don't

3216
02:23:52,040 --> 02:23:55,840
get into anything more we obviously have

3217
02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:58,399
all the stuff that they have to agree

3218
02:23:55,840 --> 02:24:00,920
with ABCA or whatever

3219
02:23:58,399 --> 02:24:04,560
Ministries um the bullet points which I

3220
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:06,000
think are the main uh main thing to me

3221
02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:07,640
th this is the outline at the top

3222
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:10,000
license of occupation that's where I'm

3223
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:12,000
leaning on and then of course the making

3224
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:14,319
sure we get as many of the

3225
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:16,760
concerns and that are covered or ticked

3226
02:24:14,319 --> 02:24:18,680
off as we go through the process so that

3227
02:24:16,760 --> 02:24:20,880
everybody's fair and that's on your

3228
02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:22,359
second page but on on this point that's

3229
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:24,520
where I'm leaning on the license of

3230
02:24:22,359 --> 02:24:27,439
occupation and and keep it as buttoned

3231
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:30,040
up as possible like we've been doing or

3232
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:34,520
have been doing but anyway that's my

3233
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:39,120
thoughts uh are do we want to think

3234
02:24:34,520 --> 02:24:41,439
about this a bit more this evening on

3235
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:42,880
this these two here do you want to move

3236
02:24:41,439 --> 02:24:46,399
on to the

3237
02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:49,080
other to the points of uh the bullets I

3238
02:24:46,399 --> 02:24:50,840
guess of uh what the staff kind of want

3239
02:24:49,080 --> 02:24:54,640
to make sure we hit if we if we go

3240
02:24:50,840 --> 02:24:56,960
forward then on this process well we are

3241
02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:58,600
been kind of going through for it what

3242
02:24:56,960 --> 02:25:00,200
what's uh what's your view councilors

3243
02:24:58,600 --> 02:25:02,760
it's a little awkward when we're kind of

3244
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:02,760
in Zoom

3245
02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:10,080
here do anyone want to approve the uh

3246
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:11,720
the recommendation that we will have to

3247
02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:14,720
cover those other points so they know

3248
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:18,000
how to what to develop a a policy from

3249
02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:20,399
won't they yeah I I just I just wondered

3250
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:23,319
if if they're kind of almost a do we

3251
02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:25,040
agree with the one or two there and then

3252
02:25:23,319 --> 02:25:26,840
and then we work around these others

3253
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:30,680
that's all I'm just deputy just for

3254
02:25:26,840 --> 02:25:32,800
process uh uh I'm I'm I'm open to carry

3255
02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:34,600
on and go through the go through those

3256
02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:38,080
other bullet points and if we agree that

3257
02:25:34,600 --> 02:25:40,720
they're good points that's fine but uh

3258
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:42,920
it's generally kind of which direction

3259
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:47,399
we go to on

3260
02:25:42,920 --> 02:25:50,680
the on on the uh on the overall vehicle

3261
02:25:47,399 --> 02:25:53,359
can I call it that

3262
02:25:50,680 --> 02:25:53,359
what's your thoughts

3263
02:25:53,840 --> 02:26:00,080
counselors I Deputy Mayor and yourself

3264
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:02,399
on the license of occupation and the

3265
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:04,600
owners have their Engineers that do the

3266
02:26:02,399 --> 02:26:08,200
oversight I'm sure the building

3267
02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:10,920
department will still have a hand in it

3268
02:26:08,200 --> 02:26:12,479
somewhere and move forward on that

3269
02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:15,120
aspect I'd like to hear other

3270
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:18,840
counselor's concerns

3271
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:20,920
also okay and the all

3272
02:26:18,840 --> 02:26:23,960
right I'm

3273
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:25,880
can I for process I guess that's why the

3274
02:26:23,960 --> 02:26:28,680
ministry or that's why the the process

3275
02:26:25,880 --> 02:26:30,880
is there from I I'll ask to we have a

3276
02:26:28,680 --> 02:26:32,479
motion on on what type here a license of

3277
02:26:30,880 --> 02:26:34,479
occupation or or an agreement of

3278
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:36,920
municipality can I have someone make a

3279
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:36,920
motion for

3280
02:26:38,040 --> 02:26:42,880
discussion is anyone prepared to at this

3281
02:26:40,319 --> 02:26:42,880
time councelor

3282
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:53,600
benberg sorry I just uh trying to hit

3283
02:26:50,520 --> 02:26:57,479
the mute button know I know that problem

3284
02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:59,640
Mr Mr Mayor can I have a qu like is is

3285
02:26:57,479 --> 02:27:01,439
counc Vandenberg if he's going to make a

3286
02:26:59,640 --> 02:27:04,760
motion or has a comment there I'll I'll

3287
02:27:01,439 --> 02:27:07,160
wait for him but uh if not

3288
02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:10,080
um you know the the

3289
02:27:07,160 --> 02:27:11,640
report that we looked at here was ju

3290
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:14,840
July the 29th

3291
02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:18,399
so and it said no erosion control so

3292
02:27:14,840 --> 02:27:22,160
that's that's an that is a an option

3293
02:27:18,399 --> 02:27:22,160
here too is it not

3294
02:27:22,439 --> 02:27:26,080
yeah

3295
02:27:24,040 --> 02:27:29,359
right that's

3296
02:27:26,080 --> 02:27:32,640
right I thank you

3297
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:35,319
okay that's if we don't come up with one

3298
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:37,319
of these I guess that's one yeah well no

3299
02:27:35,319 --> 02:27:39,279
actually we made a motion of council

3300
02:27:37,319 --> 02:27:43,800
that we weren't going to spend any

3301
02:27:39,279 --> 02:27:45,840
money taxpayers money on our properties

3302
02:27:43,800 --> 02:27:48,399
however then that either that night or a

3303
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:50,560
couple days later we we I don't know if

3304
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:52,240
it was a motion but it was it was and it

3305
02:27:50,560 --> 02:27:55,920
clearly did happen because two I think

3306
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:57,520
we did have two uh Property Owners

3307
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:59,560
approach us and we said we're not in

3308
02:27:57,520 --> 02:28:02,399
tuned to trying to make a deal with you

3309
02:27:59,560 --> 02:28:05,560
to help you but we're not paying for it

3310
02:28:02,399 --> 02:28:07,359
and and then they didn't come back for

3311
02:28:05,560 --> 02:28:09,960
whatever reasons they did their own

3312
02:28:07,359 --> 02:28:11,600
thing or didn't do anything uh and then

3313
02:28:09,960 --> 02:28:14,479
we finally had I guess the one was Mr

3314
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:16,920
McDonald that that came forward and we

3315
02:28:14,479 --> 02:28:19,479
uh we basically did the well we did the

3316
02:28:16,920 --> 02:28:21,600
license of occupation and we had we had

3317
02:28:19,479 --> 02:28:23,760
a a a we tried to cover everything and

3318
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:26,040
the staff we asked the staff though we

3319
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:28,640
should have a a better better policy and

3320
02:28:26,040 --> 02:28:30,800
a and and a sheet for people to see so

3321
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:33,520
it doesn't look like uh I'm paying a fa

3322
02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:36,160
favored by not adding something there's

3323
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:38,520
a checklist so there's a checklist but

3324
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:41,319
there's also which kind of vehicle do we

3325
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:44,000
run here on uh and that's sort of where

3326
02:28:41,319 --> 02:28:46,319
it's at but you are are right at at any

3327
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:48,479
time even even the option of license of

3328
02:28:46,319 --> 02:28:50,200
occupation or an agreement and these

3329
02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:52,160
bullet points the one bullet point is

3330
02:28:50,200 --> 02:28:54,880
the very end Council May for whatever

3331
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:57,920
reason say we're not going to agree to

3332
02:28:54,880 --> 02:29:01,439
this particular one happening on a

3333
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:04,640
property by by by order of motion so so

3334
02:29:01,439 --> 02:29:07,560
that that is that is in there and I'm

3335
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:10,319
hoping we keep that in there myself as

3336
02:29:07,560 --> 02:29:13,600
one of the I should always be in there

3337
02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:15,279
but um anyway is there um getting back

3338
02:29:13,600 --> 02:29:18,240
uh if I can just

3339
02:29:15,279 --> 02:29:20,640
unprocess move things along is there

3340
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:22,319
anyone wishing to make a a a what type

3341
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:24,800
of agreement well it's councelor

3342
02:29:22,319 --> 02:29:27,640
wetstone here I actually I have a I have

3343
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:29,279
a hard time making a motion on the

3344
02:29:27,640 --> 02:29:30,640
simple reasons when we look at all these

3345
02:29:29,279 --> 02:29:33,520
points that we're talking about in the

3346
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:35,760
on the next page okay I'm not the expert

3347
02:29:33,520 --> 02:29:38,359
in these I need more information on

3348
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:39,960
those so what are what are our options

3349
02:29:38,359 --> 02:29:41,920
how is pre-existing infrastructure

3350
02:29:39,960 --> 02:29:43,560
managed okay what does that mean what

3351
02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:45,920
what are our options well we can let's

3352
02:29:43,560 --> 02:29:47,479
go through it then okay well I I don't

3353
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:49,439
know if that's a today thing that could

3354
02:29:47,479 --> 02:29:51,520
be a report that comes back there could

3355
02:29:49,439 --> 02:29:53,000
be multiple things what documents there

3356
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:54,319
could be like what documents are

3357
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:57,200
required to be provided prior to

3358
02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:59,040
accepting consideration there could be

3359
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:00,720
50 different ones that we may have to

3360
02:29:59,040 --> 02:30:03,279
choose from I just don't know that's the

3361
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:05,359
whole point right so well I I don't I

3362
02:30:03,279 --> 02:30:08,080
think that that I think the bullet

3363
02:30:05,359 --> 02:30:09,520
points and help me out uh staff but my

3364
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:11,720
sense of what these bullet points are is

3365
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:14,640
we make sure that they're asked and

3366
02:30:11,720 --> 02:30:18,120
covered when someone comes if they ask

3367
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:21,120
us to do a property like the one that we

3368
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:24,439
did it didn't have a walkway way well of

3369
02:30:21,120 --> 02:30:26,160
course we didn't ask for it either but

3370
02:30:24,439 --> 02:30:29,319
but but was pointed out by staff they're

3371
02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:32,040
thinking of what ifs so do you wanna

3372
02:30:29,319 --> 02:30:34,439
when someone comes into the office we're

3373
02:30:32,040 --> 02:30:37,160
gonna they can hand them a sheet and

3374
02:30:34,439 --> 02:30:39,680
says this is the basic C this is the

3375
02:30:37,160 --> 02:30:42,160
minimum that the council's expecting you

3376
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:46,000
to take care of I think we even have one

3377
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:51,359
coming up uh laort there's an issue of

3378
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:53,560
uh of the um of our of a drain so

3379
02:30:51,359 --> 02:30:55,560
clearly we're going to I hope if we

3380
02:30:53,560 --> 02:30:56,880
agree to that if we agree to it we're

3381
02:30:55,560 --> 02:30:58,399
going to agree they pay for the drain

3382
02:30:56,880 --> 02:31:00,279
going back to that motion that Council

3383
02:30:58,399 --> 02:31:02,680
made I'm still think a majority of

3384
02:31:00,279 --> 02:31:04,840
council agrees it's going to be if they

3385
02:31:02,680 --> 02:31:06,920
we're helping someone it's not going to

3386
02:31:04,840 --> 02:31:10,439
be on the backs of the of the whole

3387
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:13,319
municipality so this just this just gets

3388
02:31:10,439 --> 02:31:15,720
it these points are made sure everybody

3389
02:31:13,319 --> 02:31:18,760
knows that they're got to be ticked off

3390
02:31:15,720 --> 02:31:20,120
to to council not ticked off in the term

3391
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:21,840
that they're that they're that they're

3392
02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:23,240
made sure they're covered and of course

3393
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:25,640
there's going to be other ones this is a

3394
02:31:23,240 --> 02:31:27,479
lied document like a lot of things so I

3395
02:31:25,640 --> 02:31:31,279
think that is where they're coming from

3396
02:31:27,479 --> 02:31:32,920
but counselor or Mike is that is that

3397
02:31:31,279 --> 02:31:36,600
what your intent was here I don't want

3398
02:31:32,920 --> 02:31:37,880
to yeah do your worship um I agree with

3399
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:40,399
with what you're trying to or what

3400
02:31:37,880 --> 02:31:43,319
you're saying um okay the intent wasn't

3401
02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:45,840
to go through Bullet by Bullet um the

3402
02:31:43,319 --> 02:31:49,040
intent was just trying to make Council

3403
02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:51,279
aware that it would be best for

3404
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:53,960
residences to as transparent as possible

3405
02:31:51,279 --> 02:31:55,279
that if we had a policy in place moving

3406
02:31:53,960 --> 02:31:57,120
forward and what they would need and

3407
02:31:55,279 --> 02:31:58,399
what would be expected um it's

3408
02:31:57,120 --> 02:32:01,200
definitely understood that everything

3409
02:31:58,399 --> 02:32:04,240
would have to come to C to

3410
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:06,720
council individually with each specific

3411
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:08,200
property it's just best if we uh made

3412
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:11,399
everybody aware of what would be needed

3413
02:32:08,200 --> 02:32:13,160
and and to move

3414
02:32:11,399 --> 02:32:14,120
forward okay well to get the ball

3415
02:32:13,160 --> 02:32:16,760
rolling in thank you for the

3416
02:32:14,120 --> 02:32:18,880
clarification uh I'll propose that a

3417
02:32:16,760 --> 02:32:20,960
motion that we uh go with the license of

3418
02:32:18,880 --> 02:32:21,840
occupation as an agreement to move

3419
02:32:20,960 --> 02:32:24,200
forward

3420
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:28,000
with okay is there a second or for that

3421
02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:30,240
motion Council coun W second of course

3422
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:32,680
uh this is a like all our motions

3423
02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:34,520
they're they're all important so I know

3424
02:32:32,680 --> 02:32:37,479
we've had discussion but I'm gonna

3425
02:32:34,520 --> 02:32:38,720
please councilor is anyone wishing to

3426
02:32:37,479 --> 02:32:42,520
have more

3427
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:46,240
discussion councelor venberg or anything

3428
02:32:42,520 --> 02:32:48,680
um yeah it's just in regards to those uh

3429
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:50,600
those bullet points and I

3430
02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:52,399
guess um

3431
02:32:50,600 --> 02:32:55,080
we're going to have to see the the

3432
02:32:52,399 --> 02:32:56,560
document the policy and what bullet

3433
02:32:55,080 --> 02:32:59,120
points

3434
02:32:56,560 --> 02:33:02,439
are are going to be there let's say for

3435
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:05,520
us to to pass a whole policy I I know

3436
02:33:02,439 --> 02:33:07,640
there's we we've done uh stairs in the

3437
02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:10,359
past where associations have approached

3438
02:33:07,640 --> 02:33:14,760
the municipality in regards to to stairs

3439
02:33:10,359 --> 02:33:16,960
so we we've kind of done that as well um

3440
02:33:14,760 --> 02:33:20,439
you know there's one bullet point in

3441
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:23,680
regards to do we sell off

3442
02:33:20,439 --> 02:33:26,120
uh lands I'm not I can't see it right

3443
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:28,920
now because it's going to be scrolled

3444
02:33:26,120 --> 02:33:31,040
down a little further but anyways it's

3445
02:33:28,920 --> 02:33:33,399
those uh yeah I guess it's the last one

3446
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:35,920
disposing of the lands I don't think we

3447
02:33:33,399 --> 02:33:38,520
want to see something uh in regards to

3448
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:40,399
that in the policy but I know it's it's

3449
02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:43,520
there a bullet

3450
02:33:40,399 --> 02:33:45,120
point through you your worship yes could

3451
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:48,680
I just make a clarification on the

3452
02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:51,800
motion um if the Mover and the seconder

3453
02:33:48,680 --> 02:33:53,840
could just conf firm is the intent that

3454
02:33:51,800 --> 02:33:56,840
what you're asking for is that the

3455
02:33:53,840 --> 02:33:59,000
policy or the draft proposed policy that

3456
02:33:56,840 --> 02:34:01,880
staff come back with is centered around

3457
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:06,080
a license of occupation

3458
02:34:01,880 --> 02:34:08,479
um yes that is correct yes yes thank

3459
02:34:06,080 --> 02:34:12,319
you that was my intention that you would

3460
02:34:08,479 --> 02:34:12,319
be bringing back a a draft

3461
02:34:12,359 --> 02:34:17,160
proposal yeah well was called draft good

3462
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:21,000
point Thank you and to and to councelor

3463
02:34:17,160 --> 02:34:23,120
uh vandenberg's point if we uh if we

3464
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:24,479
also but this is specifically on the on

3465
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:26,240
the I'm going to call it the main

3466
02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:28,200
vehicle which is the license of

3467
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:32,560
occupation and they'll come back with

3468
02:34:28,200 --> 02:34:34,560
the with the the details um fair enough

3469
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:37,960
and and the councelor Walden I believe

3470
02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:41,560
you that's your intent the motion yes Mr

3471
02:34:37,960 --> 02:34:44,279
Mayor if I may that's why I second also

3472
02:34:41,560 --> 02:34:46,319
behind my second of it is the our staff

3473
02:34:44,279 --> 02:34:47,720
has already done a lot of work on this

3474
02:34:46,319 --> 02:34:50,479
and I would like to support them moving

3475
02:34:47,720 --> 02:34:52,560
forward they're trying to be clear and

3476
02:34:50,479 --> 02:34:54,560
try to be transparent and I would like

3477
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:56,800
to support that going forward not

3478
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:59,200
jumping into it but I think that we need

3479
02:34:56,800 --> 02:35:00,200
to make this make this uh procedure

3480
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:04,399
carry

3481
02:35:00,200 --> 02:35:05,840
on good point okay if if it's okay now

3482
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:07,080
on the bullet points we're we're going

3483
02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:08,560
to make a separate motion if there's

3484
02:35:07,080 --> 02:35:10,279
something that they want pulled out for

3485
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:12,520
sure right now we're gonna kind of go

3486
02:35:10,279 --> 02:35:15,160
through it tonight or or you're willing

3487
02:35:12,520 --> 02:35:17,600
to make but that'll be a separate motion

3488
02:35:15,160 --> 02:35:20,600
on the on the on those points okay just

3489
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:22,359
to be clear with everyone so

3490
02:35:20,600 --> 02:35:24,399
can I call the question on the license

3491
02:35:22,359 --> 02:35:26,680
of occupation we understand the intent

3492
02:35:24,399 --> 02:35:28,520
and they'll come back with a little more

3493
02:35:26,680 --> 02:35:31,640
detail and we can always have that sober

3494
02:35:28,520 --> 02:35:32,840
second look at it is that okay then I'm

3495
02:35:31,640 --> 02:35:36,000
going to call the

3496
02:35:32,840 --> 02:35:38,439
question all those in favor of the

3497
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:42,190
motion license of occupation is a

3498
02:35:38,439 --> 02:35:43,439
process say I

3499
02:35:42,190 --> 02:35:47,080
[Music]

3500
02:35:43,439 --> 02:35:50,279
I any opposed hearing none opposed

3501
02:35:47,080 --> 02:35:52,880
motion carries now with regards to the

3502
02:35:50,279 --> 02:35:55,080
to the points that I referred to as the

3503
02:35:52,880 --> 02:35:56,760
bullet points is there any on there that

3504
02:35:55,080 --> 02:35:58,680
you wish that we don't have further

3505
02:35:56,760 --> 02:36:01,319
discussion on as part of the process or

3506
02:35:58,680 --> 02:36:03,560
you have have some you want added at

3507
02:36:01,319 --> 02:36:03,560
this

3508
02:36:06,840 --> 02:36:11,840
time okay I think these are all points

3509
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:13,760
for consideration there may be some more

3510
02:36:11,840 --> 02:36:16,600
as they come up but I think these are

3511
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:18,479
the minimum probably yeah U I think

3512
02:36:16,600 --> 02:36:20,800
though this will be a document that will

3513
02:36:18,479 --> 02:36:22,640
be added to I'm sure I I don't think you

3514
02:36:20,800 --> 02:36:25,000
have any trouble adding things to cover

3515
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:26,640
off uh when it comes to some of these

3516
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:28,120
things especially when it comes which

3517
02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:30,479
will be along the lake we hope that

3518
02:36:28,120 --> 02:36:33,479
water goes down and just subsides the

3519
02:36:30,479 --> 02:36:36,000
issue if we're there is a guy someone

3520
02:36:33,479 --> 02:36:37,720
that likes us up there as counselors

3521
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:41,359
councelor venberg I think I saw you had

3522
02:36:37,720 --> 02:36:43,160
your hand up yeah thank you mayor I was

3523
02:36:41,359 --> 02:36:46,200
just gonna say if we could see something

3524
02:36:43,160 --> 02:36:49,840
come back um I know staff would be

3525
02:36:46,200 --> 02:36:52,200
working hard on it and we may have to

3526
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:53,840
pick it apart a little bit maybe or or

3527
02:36:52,200 --> 02:36:56,560
add a little bit or maybe in the

3528
02:36:53,840 --> 02:37:01,160
meantime we can make suggestions to them

3529
02:36:56,560 --> 02:37:03,960
okay um but I I think if we were to go

3530
02:37:01,160 --> 02:37:06,040
through it all tonight and uh I don't

3531
02:37:03,960 --> 02:37:08,880
think it would do us any any justice to

3532
02:37:06,040 --> 02:37:11,640
do it all tonight y well as pointed out

3533
02:37:08,880 --> 02:37:13,240
these are you know Case by case that we

3534
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:15,200
that's when hey the bullet point is

3535
02:37:13,240 --> 02:37:17,160
there's pre-existing infrastructure so

3536
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:20,560
that owner has to know that they have to

3537
02:37:17,160 --> 02:37:22,960
work and satisfy coun before they can go

3538
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:24,960
ahead it's not a surprise to them that's

3539
02:37:22,960 --> 02:37:28,279
kind of how the how I think these things

3540
02:37:24,960 --> 02:37:30,120
work and so it did what what do you

3541
02:37:28,279 --> 02:37:31,920
suggest that council do you want to just

3542
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:34,359
make a note to staff that we accept

3543
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:36,680
these as in principle and look for it in

3544
02:37:34,359 --> 02:37:39,600
the final report or I'm looking for

3545
02:37:36,680 --> 02:37:42,160
suggestions Mr Mayor do we maybe did I

3546
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:43,560
miss something here did we agree to the

3547
02:37:42,160 --> 02:37:45,160
recommendation I don't remember voting

3548
02:37:43,560 --> 02:37:47,800
on the recommendation to develop a

3549
02:37:45,160 --> 02:37:50,120
policy and if we do then we could

3550
02:37:47,800 --> 02:37:51,479
include those all with it did we well

3551
02:37:50,120 --> 02:37:54,600
then then write it up then write it up

3552
02:37:51,479 --> 02:37:56,800
that way sir okay well I don't maybe I

3553
02:37:54,600 --> 02:37:59,880
missed it I might have you know I have a

3554
02:37:56,800 --> 02:38:02,840
little nap here sometimes but well

3555
02:37:59,880 --> 02:38:05,760
I I think we were we we kind of got into

3556
02:38:02,840 --> 02:38:08,040
policy yeah no I I agree we've started

3557
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:09,960
down the road but I didn't know if we

3558
02:38:08,040 --> 02:38:12,840
said yes we're going to develop a policy

3559
02:38:09,960 --> 02:38:15,359
so that's that's all well

3560
02:38:12,840 --> 02:38:18,120
I

3561
02:38:15,359 --> 02:38:22,040
iation I think I think we sort of did

3562
02:38:18,120 --> 02:38:23,399
but but u i i know I'm I can't say it

3563
02:38:22,040 --> 02:38:25,000
was a different way we did it but I

3564
02:38:23,399 --> 02:38:27,520
think we were all above board put it

3565
02:38:25,000 --> 02:38:29,520
that way um nobody was trying to pull

3566
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:33,640
anything not with these uh n not with us

3567
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:35,279
nine on this crowd I think um okay so on

3568
02:38:33,640 --> 02:38:36,960
these pullet points are we are we

3569
02:38:35,279 --> 02:38:39,359
satisfied that they should be a minimum

3570
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:41,120
that are in for tonight and and we want

3571
02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:44,040
to see it in the final report as you say

3572
02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:46,439
we can fed out the discussions at that

3573
02:38:44,040 --> 02:38:51,000
point when we see the final draft is

3574
02:38:46,439 --> 02:38:51,000
that something of that words

3575
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:55,479
moving to get this I'm hearing generally

3576
02:38:54,120 --> 02:38:57,800
we don't mind that these things are

3577
02:38:55,479 --> 02:39:01,399
written up

3578
02:38:57,800 --> 02:39:03,720
but counsel maybe uh staff could you

3579
02:39:01,399 --> 02:39:06,840
help us

3580
02:39:03,720 --> 02:39:09,600
out Lori I'm kind of looking for your uh

3581
02:39:06,840 --> 02:39:12,800
maybe your helping the magic wand here

3582
02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:12,800
as go

3583
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:21,640
between okay so um I understand um mayor

3584
02:39:18,200 --> 02:39:25,920
Klo and Council that that um you do want

3585
02:39:21,640 --> 02:39:28,479
to pass you do want to um say the

3586
02:39:25,920 --> 02:39:30,600
recommendation and and uh see where

3587
02:39:28,479 --> 02:39:33,200
people stand on it because it sounds as

3588
02:39:30,600 --> 02:39:36,160
though you are wanting a

3589
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:40,000
policy which includes all those items to

3590
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:41,920
be considered so so I think Deputy Mayor

3591
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:43,160
Ferguson is correct that you have to

3592
02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:46,040
read someone has to make a

3593
02:39:43,160 --> 02:39:48,920
recommendation make the recommendation

3594
02:39:46,040 --> 02:39:51,560
that's there okay could someone make a

3595
02:39:48,920 --> 02:39:54,920
recommend so so moved okay thank you

3596
02:39:51,560 --> 02:39:57,640
Deputy Mayor thank you is there a second

3597
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:59,960
uh for the motion councilor

3598
02:39:57,640 --> 02:40:02,080
venberg I just wanted to say I thought

3599
02:39:59,960 --> 02:40:05,520
that was all the intent when we were

3600
02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:06,960
discussing this all so well but now but

3601
02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:09,240
now it's in black and white so that's

3602
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:12,560
good well well no it's still it it's

3603
02:40:09,240 --> 02:40:14,600
it's I think how did our our CEO put it

3604
02:40:12,560 --> 02:40:16,640
these are these are points that we make

3605
02:40:14,600 --> 02:40:18,040
sure that are definitely part of the

3606
02:40:16,640 --> 02:40:19,760
discussion if they're there if there

3607
02:40:18,040 --> 02:40:21,800
stairs there the the person would have

3608
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:23,040
to know that we're not we want the

3609
02:40:21,800 --> 02:40:25,439
stairs to be talked about that you're

3610
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:27,359
paying for as as we've done historically

3611
02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:30,240
it just it just that it's on a paper for

3612
02:40:27,359 --> 02:40:31,640
people to see so we may but we may say

3613
02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:33,200
like the one about there's nothing in

3614
02:40:31,640 --> 02:40:35,680
here about there's kind of just about

3615
02:40:33,200 --> 02:40:37,439
maybe more armor Stone and not talking

3616
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:39,279
about the other well we we'll have that

3617
02:40:37,439 --> 02:40:41,319
discussion when we see the final draft

3618
02:40:39,279 --> 02:40:43,920
so we'll still have time to have uh

3619
02:40:41,319 --> 02:40:45,840
explain things out but just to keep

3620
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:48,399
moving things on you're not against

3621
02:40:45,840 --> 02:40:50,640
these ideas being on a paper that's no

3622
02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:53,359
that was that wasn't what I was talking

3623
02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:55,560
about I I think with the deputy mayor I

3624
02:40:53,359 --> 02:40:58,520
guess I'm agreeing with him that we

3625
02:40:55,560 --> 02:41:00,359
didn't say the word policy or go back to

3626
02:40:58,520 --> 02:41:02,359
the recommendation I think it was all in

3627
02:41:00,359 --> 02:41:04,880
the back of our minds that hey we were

3628
02:41:02,359 --> 02:41:06,800
discussing the policy so that that's

3629
02:41:04,880 --> 02:41:09,640
good that's what I mean it's in black

3630
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:12,439
and white I'm good with the with this

3631
02:41:09,640 --> 02:41:14,200
and what the uh the deputy mayor has

3632
02:41:12,439 --> 02:41:17,720
said

3633
02:41:14,200 --> 02:41:20,399
okay can I it's been first and seconded

3634
02:41:17,720 --> 02:41:22,840
correct can I can I call the question

3635
02:41:20,399 --> 02:41:25,520
then is everyone

3636
02:41:22,840 --> 02:41:28,200
satisfied is okay I'm going to call the

3637
02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:32,000
question all those in favor of the

3638
02:41:28,200 --> 02:41:35,080
motion with these bullet points to see

3639
02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:37,800
um what is the marual motion uh Chandra

3640
02:41:35,080 --> 02:41:39,560
just to be fair my understanding is that

3641
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:40,960
the motion is the recommendation that's

3642
02:41:39,560 --> 02:41:42,479
there in front of you that Council

3643
02:41:40,960 --> 02:41:44,439
direct staff to prepare an erosion

3644
02:41:42,479 --> 02:41:46,240
control shoreline protection policy for

3645
02:41:44,439 --> 02:41:50,200
council's consideration and

3646
02:41:46,240 --> 02:41:51,800
implementation okay thank you

3647
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:54,200
I'm going to call the question all those

3648
02:41:51,800 --> 02:41:58,920
in favor say

3649
02:41:54,200 --> 02:42:01,920
I any opposed hearing none the motion

3650
02:41:58,920 --> 02:42:03,960
carries okay thank you

3651
02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:06,760
staff is there a timeline is there a

3652
02:42:03,960 --> 02:42:06,760
timeline for

3653
02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:11,439
that I know know not I'm not because

3654
02:42:09,800 --> 02:42:14,640
we're kind of doing the

3655
02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:17,680
mess well I know but we have a number of

3656
02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:20,760
applications here that that are that

3657
02:42:17,680 --> 02:42:24,200
would relate to this and uh if this can

3658
02:42:20,760 --> 02:42:26,279
be done in some kind of uh expedient

3659
02:42:24,200 --> 02:42:28,560
timeline I'm going to suggest a

3660
02:42:26,279 --> 02:42:32,479
moratorium on all those applications

3661
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:34,840
until after the policy is developed I

3662
02:42:32,479 --> 02:42:37,960
would agree with that Deputy Mayor okay

3663
02:42:34,840 --> 02:42:40,760
so we're so that is H and that that

3664
02:42:37,960 --> 02:42:42,640
sounds very logical to myself also that

3665
02:42:40,760 --> 02:42:46,240
they've obviously been working on it so

3666
02:42:42,640 --> 02:42:48,960
I what what um it sounds like there's

3667
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:51,240
going to be a motion well we passed this

3668
02:42:48,960 --> 02:42:52,520
right so or we haven't called the

3669
02:42:51,240 --> 02:42:55,520
question yes we did call the question so

3670
02:42:52,520 --> 02:42:57,960
it's passed so can you when can you come

3671
02:42:55,520 --> 02:43:00,000
back and have it a little more

3672
02:42:57,960 --> 02:43:01,479
formalized as you pointed out there's a

3673
02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:04,800
little bit of the criteria you need to

3674
02:43:01,479 --> 02:43:07,439
word Smith even even in the uh even in

3675
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:10,760
the first document the the license of

3676
02:43:07,439 --> 02:43:13,720
occupation uh what What's your sense

3677
02:43:10,760 --> 02:43:15,240
through you your worship um I completely

3678
02:43:13,720 --> 02:43:18,439
understand that there are people in line

3679
02:43:15,240 --> 02:43:20,279
and wanting to a response on their

3680
02:43:18,439 --> 02:43:22,000
requests for Shoreline protection on

3681
02:43:20,279 --> 02:43:24,840
Municipal property and I do not want to

3682
02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:27,359
hold them up as much as much as we can

3683
02:43:24,840 --> 02:43:30,479
um my goal is to have this to you as

3684
02:43:27,359 --> 02:43:34,080
soon as possible I don't want to

3685
02:43:30,479 --> 02:43:36,760
guarantee next meeting um for sure um

3686
02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:38,920
but it will be as soon as possible this

3687
02:43:36,760 --> 02:43:40,240
will go on the top of my list uh for

3688
02:43:38,920 --> 02:43:42,880
things to get

3689
02:43:40,240 --> 02:43:45,200
done okay well it is it is important

3690
02:43:42,880 --> 02:43:47,800
because not not from about speed but we

3691
02:43:45,200 --> 02:43:50,640
want to make sure that the document is

3692
02:43:47,800 --> 02:43:52,240
as airtight as it can be and is and as

3693
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:54,200
clear for everyone down the road so we

3694
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:55,840
don't have to make major changes to it

3695
02:43:54,200 --> 02:43:58,120
that would be that would not look good

3696
02:43:55,840 --> 02:44:01,319
on anyone correct so is that fair enough

3697
02:43:58,120 --> 02:44:03,680
with everyone at this point um well

3698
02:44:01,319 --> 02:44:07,200
because he's going Mr Mayor because he's

3699
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:10,680
going to uh put a a rush on it on the

3700
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:12,479
top of his list uh I think that uh

3701
02:44:10,680 --> 02:44:14,800
formally we should deal with all those

3702
02:44:12,479 --> 02:44:16,319
other applications right now and say

3703
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:18,720
that I'm going to I'm going to propose

3704
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:21,399
we put a moratorium on them until the

3705
02:44:18,720 --> 02:44:24,200
policy is developed which I have heard

3706
02:44:21,399 --> 02:44:27,640
is going to be as quickly as

3707
02:44:24,200 --> 02:44:30,479
possible okay will move that you move

3708
02:44:27,640 --> 02:44:33,720
that I'll second it is there a there's a

3709
02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:36,880
seconder okay so may CL can I just

3710
02:44:33,720 --> 02:44:39,840
repeat the motion back Mo in the

3711
02:44:36,880 --> 02:44:41,800
seconder um so what I'm hearing is that

3712
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:43,760
Council Place a moratorium on all

3713
02:44:41,800 --> 02:44:45,520
Shoreline protection requests until a

3714
02:44:43,760 --> 02:44:47,800
policy may be

3715
02:44:45,520 --> 02:44:50,760
developed is that

3716
02:44:47,800 --> 02:44:53,520
essentially have I captured everything I

3717
02:44:50,760 --> 02:44:56,479
think that captures my intent yes well

3718
02:44:53,520 --> 02:45:01,880
maybe we this just word Smith a little

3719
02:44:56,479 --> 02:45:04,800
bit till we get a report back from Mike

3720
02:45:01,880 --> 02:45:07,600
on what uh I I just it just sounds like

3721
02:45:04,800 --> 02:45:09,680
we haven't made any decision we we get

3722
02:45:07,600 --> 02:45:10,840
we gave some direction it maybe it's the

3723
02:45:09,680 --> 02:45:11,680
same thing it's getting late in the

3724
02:45:10,840 --> 02:45:14,439
night

3725
02:45:11,680 --> 02:45:16,920
I I refer back to the clerk if she's

3726
02:45:14,439 --> 02:45:18,240
happy with it and Mike understands it I

3727
02:45:16,920 --> 02:45:20,520
what how should why should I say

3728
02:45:18,240 --> 02:45:22,279
anything think there was two words in

3729
02:45:20,520 --> 02:45:25,479
there that might change and I think it

3730
02:45:22,279 --> 02:45:27,920
said may be developed could change that

3731
02:45:25,479 --> 02:45:30,359
to will be developed yeah that's maybe

3732
02:45:27,920 --> 02:45:32,840
the word I think that's yeah will be

3733
02:45:30,359 --> 02:45:34,680
developed yeah so that Council Place a

3734
02:45:32,840 --> 02:45:36,520
moratorium on all Shoreline protection

3735
02:45:34,680 --> 02:45:39,920
requests until a

3736
02:45:36,520 --> 02:45:41,439
policy is developed thank you yeah

3737
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:44,720
thanks

3738
02:45:41,439 --> 02:45:47,399
Chandra okay you okay with that I'm good

3739
02:45:44,720 --> 02:45:49,640
with that okay and clearly the direction

3740
02:45:47,399 --> 02:45:52,640
was from what we passed on our motions

3741
02:45:49,640 --> 02:45:54,640
correct Mike and and counselors yes yes

3742
02:45:52,640 --> 02:45:56,520
okay based on that then I'm I'm that's I

3743
02:45:54,640 --> 02:45:58,120
guess just I know it sounds a little

3744
02:45:56,520 --> 02:45:59,479
just want to be clear because the people

3745
02:45:58,120 --> 02:46:01,200
are going to be asking us tomorrow

3746
02:45:59,479 --> 02:46:05,520
including all of us as we go forward

3747
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:07,439
here so um the uh I we can say if this

3748
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:09,960
motion passes we can say that you saw

3749
02:46:07,439 --> 02:46:12,840
the report with those pullet points and

3750
02:46:09,960 --> 02:46:16,840
the direction of uh of what I call the

3751
02:46:12,840 --> 02:46:20,560
the the vehicle the which is uh the

3752
02:46:16,840 --> 02:46:22,200
motion number one and and uh and then

3753
02:46:20,560 --> 02:46:23,920
that these will be the minimum points

3754
02:46:22,200 --> 02:46:25,960
that are going to be feted out some may

3755
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:28,240
be on or on some may be off but they

3756
02:46:25,960 --> 02:46:29,800
will be definitely part of it okay I'm I

3757
02:46:28,240 --> 02:46:32,240
can live with that and know fellow

3758
02:46:29,800 --> 02:46:33,920
counselors when you get the calls too so

3759
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:36,640
I think we're all on the same page if

3760
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:38,800
this motion passes is everyone clear

3761
02:46:36,640 --> 02:46:42,880
with the

3762
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:46,240
motion see no one asking

3763
02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:48,200
clarification uh I'm going to call the

3764
02:46:46,240 --> 02:46:50,520
motion but oh just before I do that to

3765
02:46:48,200 --> 02:46:52,000
be fair with everyone I realize every

3766
02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:55,120
one of these is important for the people

3767
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:56,640
and they want to know but I I just uh

3768
02:46:55,120 --> 02:46:59,080
the one that just kind of came up at the

3769
02:46:56,640 --> 02:47:00,560
last was leport street but clearly that

3770
02:46:59,080 --> 02:47:02,840
goes under the same thing we want to

3771
02:47:00,560 --> 02:47:04,880
know the we want it so it's all written

3772
02:47:02,840 --> 02:47:08,000
so everybody knows fair enough just

3773
02:47:04,880 --> 02:47:10,120
wanted just in case someone well I I can

3774
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:11,960
answer that if I get a call I I'm good

3775
02:47:10,120 --> 02:47:14,000
with that too so just as long as

3776
02:47:11,960 --> 02:47:15,080
everyone hopefully says the same thing

3777
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:18,120
if they get a

3778
02:47:15,080 --> 02:47:19,880
call okay I'm G to call the question

3779
02:47:18,120 --> 02:47:21,520
then and can I it read over one more

3780
02:47:19,880 --> 02:47:23,960
time because for the public that are out

3781
02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:25,680
there uh listening it's there I'm sure

3782
02:47:23,960 --> 02:47:29,279
they want to make sure they've got the

3783
02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:31,399
right motion too so chander could you re

3784
02:47:29,279 --> 02:47:34,000
read it please moved by Deputy Mayor

3785
02:47:31,399 --> 02:47:36,080
Ferguson seconded by councelor wetstone

3786
02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:38,319
that Council Place a moratorium on all

3787
02:47:36,080 --> 02:47:40,880
Shoreline protection requests until a

3788
02:47:38,319 --> 02:47:43,600
policy is

3789
02:47:40,880 --> 02:47:44,920
developed okay thank you and of course

3790
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:46,760
we have a verbal that it's going to be

3791
02:47:44,920 --> 02:47:48,520
coming back as soon as possible we won't

3792
02:47:46,760 --> 02:47:51,160
have that on the motion we all take that

3793
02:47:48,520 --> 02:47:53,640
as good good word of Mike and staff they

3794
02:47:51,160 --> 02:47:58,399
understand okay I'm going to call the

3795
02:47:53,640 --> 02:48:00,760
question all those in favor say I I any

3796
02:47:58,399 --> 02:48:06,520
opposed hearing not oppose the motion

3797
02:48:00,760 --> 02:48:07,560
carries unanimously thank you okay um

3798
02:48:06,520 --> 02:48:09,600
with that

3799
02:48:07,560 --> 02:48:13,680
motion

3800
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:16,160
Chandra my understanding is that then

3801
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:19,840
our other three that we're on tonight

3802
02:48:16,160 --> 02:48:23,200
will be a motion to table until we have

3803
02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:25,520
our policy in place is that is that a

3804
02:48:23,200 --> 02:48:29,600
fair

3805
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:31,520
motion yes that the next the items

3806
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:34,240
7.2.3

3807
02:48:31,520 --> 02:48:37,120
7.2.4 and

3808
02:48:34,240 --> 02:48:39,800
7.2.5 okay will come back in front of

3809
02:48:37,120 --> 02:48:42,479
council following the adoption of a

3810
02:48:39,800 --> 02:48:45,920
shoreline protection policy does that is

3811
02:48:42,479 --> 02:48:48,439
that correct Mike that would be uh I

3812
02:48:45,920 --> 02:48:50,600
agree I think that's to me is very clear

3813
02:48:48,439 --> 02:48:52,960
uh and it's and it's deferred but to a

3814
02:48:50,600 --> 02:48:55,319
Time the public then

3815
02:48:52,960 --> 02:48:57,840
knows is there any councelor wish to

3816
02:48:55,319 --> 02:48:57,840
make that a

3817
02:48:58,520 --> 02:49:05,840
motion councelor venberg seconded by

3818
02:49:02,640 --> 02:49:10,120
councelor Harris councelor

3819
02:49:05,840 --> 02:49:12,040
Harris any questions on the motion

3820
02:49:10,120 --> 02:49:14,240
clarification hearing none I'm going to

3821
02:49:12,040 --> 02:49:16,319
call the question all those in favor of

3822
02:49:14,240 --> 02:49:20,040
deferral of the three applications we

3823
02:49:16,319 --> 02:49:25,760
have now until this policy is uh in

3824
02:49:20,040 --> 02:49:28,080
place all those in favor say I I I any

3825
02:49:25,760 --> 02:49:30,000
opposed hearing none the motion carries

3826
02:49:28,080 --> 02:49:35,800
unanimously thank

3827
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:35,800
you okay we are now at uh

3828
02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:45,760
7.41 uh Mr nle uh Fleet Surplus is that

3829
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:49,000
correct sorry we've got more to do here

3830
02:49:45,760 --> 02:49:49,000
I'm sorry

3831
02:49:51,000 --> 02:49:56,319
uh we're at uh 7.31 Mr Kester ah he

3832
02:49:54,920 --> 02:50:01,200
thought he was getting off early thank

3833
02:49:56,319 --> 02:50:03,960
you counil water and wastewater Reserve

3834
02:50:01,200 --> 02:50:06,200
capacity so included and thank you your

3835
02:50:03,960 --> 02:50:08,359
worship included in the uh package

3836
02:50:06,200 --> 02:50:10,080
tonight uh this is something that I had

3837
02:50:08,359 --> 02:50:13,120
developed this year and wanted to just

3838
02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:15,200
share with Council simply uh to help

3839
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:17,160
with the awareness to some of the

3840
02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:18,920
reserve capacities for our systems that

3841
02:50:17,160 --> 02:50:20,800
we have or for our water and waste

3842
02:50:18,920 --> 02:50:22,640
systems that we have in place um it's

3843
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:25,080
simply an awareness and so I would just

3844
02:50:22,640 --> 02:50:26,319
ask that Council receive this report for

3845
02:50:25,080 --> 02:50:29,080
uh for

3846
02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:30,760
information okay uh do I have a motion

3847
02:50:29,080 --> 02:50:33,479
to receive this for information and of

3848
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:36,120
course entertain so moved councelor W to

3849
02:50:33,479 --> 02:50:39,160
move is there a

3850
02:50:36,120 --> 02:50:43,560
seconder councelor venberg is okay with

3851
02:50:39,160 --> 02:50:46,040
a second thank you um just a real quick

3852
02:50:43,560 --> 02:50:49,200
question um back when we had our Aqua

3853
02:50:46,040 --> 02:50:50,840
report and about uh the volumes of

3854
02:50:49,200 --> 02:50:53,040
what I call drinking water from the

3855
02:50:50,840 --> 02:50:54,640
plant to Bayfield uh could you just just

3856
02:50:53,040 --> 02:50:56,920
a friendly reminder to you I don't

3857
02:50:54,640 --> 02:51:00,080
recall getting that or is this in here I

3858
02:50:56,920 --> 02:51:01,640
quite frankly I I no it's it's not and

3859
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:03,120
it is something that Aqua is still

3860
02:51:01,640 --> 02:51:04,960
working on to get that information

3861
02:51:03,120 --> 02:51:08,600
pulled together um I will just make a

3862
02:51:04,960 --> 02:51:10,880
note of that well I I appreciate that

3863
02:51:08,600 --> 02:51:12,680
thank you it's not a burning issue but I

3864
02:51:10,880 --> 02:51:15,760
just I got it on my mind there I didn't

3865
02:51:12,680 --> 02:51:17,239
want to forget thank you okay um any

3866
02:51:15,760 --> 02:51:18,960
other questions with regards to these

3867
02:51:17,239 --> 02:51:21,000
numbers of course we're all know that

3868
02:51:18,960 --> 02:51:23,399
those are right because we've all been

3869
02:51:21,000 --> 02:51:25,680
watching it

3870
02:51:23,399 --> 02:51:27,520
closely okay I'm going to call the

3871
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:29,080
question and this is for information by

3872
02:51:27,520 --> 02:51:32,520
the way thank you for taking the time to

3873
02:51:29,080 --> 02:51:34,680
do this I'm sure it uh you probably need

3874
02:51:32,520 --> 02:51:38,160
to do it anyway and this is a good uh

3875
02:51:34,680 --> 02:51:40,200
little picture for us to look at too so

3876
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:42,920
appreciate the the

3877
02:51:40,200 --> 02:51:44,319
report all those in favor of the motion

3878
02:51:42,920 --> 02:51:48,720
received for

3879
02:51:44,319 --> 02:51:53,160
information I any opposed none opposed

3880
02:51:48,720 --> 02:51:58,200
motion carries your uh 7.32 alternate

3881
02:51:53,160 --> 02:52:00,880
water supply design yes so uh thank you

3882
02:51:58,200 --> 02:52:04,239
your warship um so this is just a report

3883
02:52:00,880 --> 02:52:08,720
to appoint the consultant

3884
02:52:04,239 --> 02:52:11,439
for um the design for the Zurich

3885
02:52:08,720 --> 02:52:14,359
alternative water supply um as you can

3886
02:52:11,439 --> 02:52:19,399
see there was uh three three Consultants

3887
02:52:14,359 --> 02:52:21,479
that submitted proposals for that um and

3888
02:52:19,399 --> 02:52:23,720
uh and and so evaluations were done on

3889
02:52:21,479 --> 02:52:27,520
them and it was determined to be uh the

3890
02:52:23,720 --> 02:52:29,479
BM Ross was uh was the most appropriate

3891
02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:32,239
consultant for this position or for this

3892
02:52:29,479 --> 02:52:34,000
um project rather thank you that's your

3893
02:52:32,239 --> 02:52:36,960
recommendation is there a motion to

3894
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:39,319
receive the recommendation DM Ross to do

3895
02:52:36,960 --> 02:52:42,479
the uh proposal proceed with Engineering

3896
02:52:39,319 --> 02:52:44,760
Services move Mr Mayor councelor and

3897
02:52:42,479 --> 02:52:48,600
councelor Becker seconds councelor

3898
02:52:44,760 --> 02:52:50,600
Walden made the motion Chandra

3899
02:52:48,600 --> 02:52:52,319
uh it's pretty well self-explanatory I'm

3900
02:52:50,600 --> 02:52:57,319
going to call the question all those in

3901
02:52:52,319 --> 02:53:00,520
favor say I I any opposed hearing none

3902
02:52:57,319 --> 02:53:03,560
the motion carries thank you uh the

3903
02:53:00,520 --> 02:53:07,760
environmental committee status update

3904
02:53:03,560 --> 02:53:10,760
there's some recommendation here yes so

3905
02:53:07,760 --> 02:53:14,720
um you'll recall mayor and Council that

3906
02:53:10,760 --> 02:53:17,880
earlier in the year there was a request

3907
02:53:14,720 --> 02:53:21,279
to develop a environmental committee so

3908
02:53:17,880 --> 02:53:24,200
this is the follow up to that um and uh

3909
02:53:21,279 --> 02:53:25,479
so so staff have worked to developing

3910
02:53:24,200 --> 02:53:28,279
the terms of

3911
02:53:25,479 --> 02:53:30,239
reference for that which are included

3912
02:53:28,279 --> 02:53:32,319
within there's a recommendation and then

3913
02:53:30,239 --> 02:53:35,479
additionally as part of that

3914
02:53:32,319 --> 02:53:38,680
conversation um which I believe was uh

3915
02:53:35,479 --> 02:53:41,120
through which had taken place at budget

3916
02:53:38,680 --> 02:53:44,160
um there was a conversation with respect

3917
02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:45,840
to the communities in bloom committee um

3918
02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:48,120
and so there's some information on the

3919
02:53:45,840 --> 02:53:49,120
backgrounds to the communities in bloom

3920
02:53:48,120 --> 02:53:51,359
committee

3921
02:53:49,120 --> 02:53:53,479
uh there for the purposes of discussion

3922
02:53:51,359 --> 02:53:55,399
as

3923
02:53:53,479 --> 02:53:58,680
well

3924
02:53:55,399 --> 02:54:01,399
okay Council we can you know I guess Co

3925
02:53:58,680 --> 02:54:05,359
was a prime example of all the things

3926
02:54:01,399 --> 02:54:07,800
kind of got uh um slowed up a little bit

3927
02:54:05,359 --> 02:54:10,560
but um on the

3928
02:54:07,800 --> 02:54:12,920
recommendations uh is Council still

3929
02:54:10,560 --> 02:54:15,080
feeling the the direction from back in

3930
02:54:12,920 --> 02:54:17,000
our budget days I guess we'll uh we'll

3931
02:54:15,080 --> 02:54:18,600
see here uh so on the first

3932
02:54:17,000 --> 02:54:20,880
recommendation

3933
02:54:18,600 --> 02:54:23,239
is there a mover for that motion

3934
02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:25,560
councelor Harris councelor Harris is

3935
02:54:23,239 --> 02:54:25,560
there a

3936
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:32,040
seconder councelor

3937
02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:35,000
vanenburg yes and if I can then ask a

3938
02:54:32,040 --> 02:54:38,720
question in regards to the terms of ref

3939
02:54:35,000 --> 02:54:41,760
I know it's not uh in writing but I'm

3940
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:44,800
thinking then Mr ker that it's

3941
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:47,439
encompassing all aspects of blue water

3942
02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:50,239
when it comes to the environment if it's

3943
02:54:47,439 --> 02:54:52,680
the true trees if it's the waterways

3944
02:54:50,239 --> 02:54:55,760
like a river or stream or the lake shore

3945
02:54:52,680 --> 02:55:00,720
it's all encompassing

3946
02:54:55,760 --> 02:55:05,239
that that's correct yes okay yeah it's

3947
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:07,080
it's the intent is to um for lack of a a

3948
02:55:05,239 --> 02:55:08,880
better word or to to simplify it a

3949
02:55:07,080 --> 02:55:11,840
little bit is to do better by the to the

3950
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:14,000
environments um and just do uh better

3951
02:55:11,840 --> 02:55:17,560
efforts towards uh environmentally

3952
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:17,560
conscientious projects

3953
02:55:18,520 --> 02:55:24,000
there was a a real one of the main

3954
02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:26,080
pushes was about getting rid of plastics

3955
02:55:24,000 --> 02:55:28,399
uh clearly that was kind of on the top

3956
02:55:26,080 --> 02:55:31,120
of the list but yeah it is it isn't just

3957
02:55:28,399 --> 02:55:33,120
about Plastics that's for sure is that

3958
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:38,080
but that I think has been one of the

3959
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:39,200
main focuses on uh at least on the on

3960
02:55:38,080 --> 02:55:40,720
some people's

3961
02:55:39,200 --> 02:55:43,319
minds

3962
02:55:40,720 --> 02:55:44,880
okay are you satisfied any other

3963
02:55:43,319 --> 02:55:46,479
questions are we can we call the

3964
02:55:44,880 --> 02:55:48,920
question on the first

3965
02:55:46,479 --> 02:55:50,840
one satisfied with the draft and

3966
02:55:48,920 --> 02:55:52,800
direction I guess we'll see by the

3967
02:55:50,840 --> 02:55:57,120
motion all those in favor of the rec

3968
02:55:52,800 --> 02:56:01,319
first recommendation please say I I hi

3969
02:55:57,120 --> 02:56:03,040
any opposed hearing none motion carries

3970
02:56:01,319 --> 02:56:06,840
with regards to give

3971
02:56:03,040 --> 02:56:12,319
direction we is that still the the

3972
02:56:06,840 --> 02:56:15,479
intent of uh of the council yeah so um

3973
02:56:12,319 --> 02:56:17,399
the so it contained within the uh the

3974
02:56:15,479 --> 02:56:19,080
report there was again there's some

3975
02:56:17,399 --> 02:56:21,399
information with respect to Communities

3976
02:56:19,080 --> 02:56:25,399
In Bloom um I know that there was

3977
02:56:21,399 --> 02:56:28,680
discussion with uh at the during budget

3978
02:56:25,399 --> 02:56:30,800
about um looking at the ability to

3979
02:56:28,680 --> 02:56:32,319
incorporate the two components together

3980
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:34,040
the communities and Bloom committee is

3981
02:56:32,319 --> 02:56:37,520
still active and they are still

3982
02:56:34,040 --> 02:56:40,960
participating uh in in their efforts um

3983
02:56:37,520 --> 02:56:43,520
and uh and as such uh it is something

3984
02:56:40,960 --> 02:56:45,319
that um I feel that the the the

3985
02:56:43,520 --> 02:56:49,479
committee members still obviously see

3986
02:56:45,319 --> 02:56:50,840
value in um however uh um there there

3987
02:56:49,479 --> 02:56:54,720
may be

3988
02:56:50,840 --> 02:56:58,040
Al the appetite of council to look at as

3989
02:56:54,720 --> 02:56:59,840
discussed previously uh seeing the

3990
02:56:58,040 --> 02:57:02,359
seeing a committee where where both are

3991
02:56:59,840 --> 02:57:06,120
formed or or some other

3992
02:57:02,359 --> 02:57:07,640
um uh some other iteration of that uh

3993
02:57:06,120 --> 02:57:10,920
discussion as

3994
02:57:07,640 --> 02:57:13,120
well hey Council um I I guess when we

3995
02:57:10,920 --> 02:57:16,399
went looked at the budget that time if

3996
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:18,880
if I'm remembering right a majority of

3997
02:57:16,399 --> 02:57:19,920
the like all their flower and stuff are

3998
02:57:18,880 --> 02:57:24,920
done by

3999
02:57:19,920 --> 02:57:27,600
staff or part-time staff so is the issue

4000
02:57:24,920 --> 02:57:30,439
of our of the flowers and the main

4001
02:57:27,600 --> 02:57:32,760
streets that that will continue in the

4002
02:57:30,439 --> 02:57:35,920
budget I know we talked about that it

4003
02:57:32,760 --> 02:57:37,479
was about more the fact of getting of

4004
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:41,000
working the two together they're both

4005
02:57:37,479 --> 02:57:44,960
about Community betterment tying in with

4006
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:46,399
what you said there and and also can we

4007
02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:49,600
if we're going to put some money into a

4008
02:57:46,399 --> 02:57:53,640
new committee which we did on that this

4009
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:56,960
would maybe help that portion of the

4010
02:57:53,640 --> 02:57:59,520
community In Bloom so I'm in favor of it

4011
02:57:56,960 --> 02:58:02,319
I was in favor of then um the motion

4012
02:57:59,520 --> 02:58:04,080
said feasibility integration but I think

4013
02:58:02,319 --> 02:58:06,359
the intent that I did when I motioned

4014
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:08,399
that that but let let's let's have them

4015
02:58:06,359 --> 02:58:10,399
mold together they they're both the same

4016
02:58:08,399 --> 02:58:13,279
thing so but I'm looking for Council

4017
02:58:10,399 --> 02:58:17,399
Direction here councilor

4018
02:58:13,279 --> 02:58:18,720
venberg thank you then a question um was

4019
02:58:17,399 --> 02:58:22,239
any discussion

4020
02:58:18,720 --> 02:58:25,439
uh made with the committee members of

4021
02:58:22,239 --> 02:58:28,359
community In Bloom as to what we are

4022
02:58:25,439 --> 02:58:30,160
thinking of doing to their committee

4023
02:58:28,359 --> 02:58:31,319
like what was their feedback did we have

4024
02:58:30,160 --> 02:58:34,439
that

4025
02:58:31,319 --> 02:58:37,399
discussion so uh we unfortunately did

4026
02:58:34,439 --> 02:58:40,319
not have an opportunity to uh have that

4027
02:58:37,399 --> 02:58:43,200
conversation with them yet um we did

4028
02:58:40,319 --> 02:58:45,680
make uh we did reach out to them uh but

4029
02:58:43,200 --> 02:58:46,840
at this time comments have not been uh

4030
02:58:45,680 --> 02:58:49,520
we we have

4031
02:58:46,840 --> 02:58:51,040
not uh um we haven't had a chance to

4032
02:58:49,520 --> 02:58:53,479
actually engage with the committee

4033
02:58:51,040 --> 02:58:56,319
because they have had uh difficulties

4034
02:58:53,479 --> 02:58:59,040
actually getting to having their uh

4035
02:58:56,319 --> 02:59:01,239
timelines coordinate on their end to

4036
02:58:59,040 --> 02:59:04,279
actually have their next uh meeting so

4037
02:59:01,239 --> 02:59:06,120
it just it hasn't worked in uh time from

4038
02:59:04,279 --> 02:59:08,399
from when we've developed this terms of

4039
02:59:06,120 --> 02:59:11,279
reference to uh when they've had their

4040
02:59:08,399 --> 02:59:14,520
their next subsequent

4041
02:59:11,279 --> 02:59:16,040
meeting Mr Mar if I can add add to that

4042
02:59:14,520 --> 02:59:19,279
also

4043
02:59:16,040 --> 02:59:22,399
um as youve identified and you can

4044
02:59:19,279 --> 02:59:26,279
respect uh the Mandate of communities in

4045
02:59:22,399 --> 02:59:28,760
bloom was to celebrate various aspects

4046
02:59:26,279 --> 02:59:30,239
of the community not it wasn't just the

4047
02:59:28,760 --> 02:59:31,920
flower committee and it wasn't just

4048
02:59:30,239 --> 02:59:33,680
flowers on the Main Street

4049
02:59:31,920 --> 02:59:35,920
beautification of your main street is

4050
02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:38,600
one of the objectives the environment is

4051
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:41,279
another one uh celebrating community

4052
02:59:38,600 --> 02:59:43,880
volunteers is another one and and there

4053
02:59:41,279 --> 02:59:47,800
are eight objetives within the Mandate

4054
02:59:43,880 --> 02:59:50,279
of Communities In Bloom and you can

4055
02:59:47,800 --> 02:59:52,840
understand that celebrating volunteers

4056
02:59:50,279 --> 02:59:54,279
and and uh you know doing environmental

4057
02:59:52,840 --> 02:59:56,319
initiatives and everything else in the

4058
02:59:54,279 --> 02:59:58,439
last year has been pretty hard to do

4059
02:59:56,319 --> 03:00:00,680
because uh there hasn't been any

4060
02:59:58,439 --> 03:00:04,000
committees that have been able to work

4061
03:00:00,680 --> 03:00:07,080
and work together to physically go out

4062
03:00:04,000 --> 03:00:09,319
in the community and you know carry on

4063
03:00:07,080 --> 03:00:12,760
some of the good work that they do so

4064
03:00:09,319 --> 03:00:15,800
it's it's been a difficult year to uh to

4065
03:00:12,760 --> 03:00:19,000
get everything together for sure

4066
03:00:15,800 --> 03:00:22,479
um and and uh you know the the members

4067
03:00:19,000 --> 03:00:24,720
on the community In Bloom committee are

4068
03:00:22,479 --> 03:00:27,000
you know they're still Keen uh we have a

4069
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:29,080
meeting this Thursday and right now

4070
03:00:27,000 --> 03:00:31,160
they're all uh have indicated that

4071
03:00:29,080 --> 03:00:33,720
they'll all be there so uh you know

4072
03:00:31,160 --> 03:00:36,600
there may be some more chance to discuss

4073
03:00:33,720 --> 03:00:36,600
it with them on

4074
03:00:37,080 --> 03:00:43,640
Thursday just okay and with so we so the

4075
03:00:40,840 --> 03:00:46,359
motion that we made back in back at

4076
03:00:43,640 --> 03:00:48,800
budget the council uh investigate the

4077
03:00:46,359 --> 03:00:52,439
feasibility we're we're with that having

4078
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:54,160
that discussion uh for Deputy Mayor to

4079
03:00:52,439 --> 03:00:55,880
have that discussion with them then on

4080
03:00:54,160 --> 03:00:57,279
this meeting that's that's kind of where

4081
03:00:55,880 --> 03:00:59,439
we're at tonight just to confirm that

4082
03:00:57,279 --> 03:01:00,880
can we leave it at that way then sure

4083
03:00:59,439 --> 03:01:04,160
I'd be happy to we were going to have it

4084
03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:05,760
last meeting and then you know hour

4085
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:08,680
before the meeting somebody got sick and

4086
03:01:05,760 --> 03:01:10,720
then we we didn't have Quorum so well so

4087
03:01:08,680 --> 03:01:12,479
we'll have it this meeting okay well

4088
03:01:10,720 --> 03:01:15,080
then let's uh leave it for information

4089
03:01:12,479 --> 03:01:16,439
then that uh provide Direction well

4090
03:01:15,080 --> 03:01:18,640
we're just leaving it as it is the

4091
03:01:16,439 --> 03:01:20,600
motion I don't see a motion

4092
03:01:18,640 --> 03:01:22,399
resending the motion of the budget

4093
03:01:20,600 --> 03:01:24,600
meeting or I guess we did it back in

4094
03:01:22,399 --> 03:01:26,840
budget so we're going to leave it as is

4095
03:01:24,600 --> 03:01:30,520
is that fair enough for tonight for

4096
03:01:26,840 --> 03:01:32,640
councel I'm G to take some leeway as as

4097
03:01:30,520 --> 03:01:34,920
I'm looking I'm hearing someone say no

4098
03:01:32,640 --> 03:01:38,160
so on bullet point two we're we're we're

4099
03:01:34,920 --> 03:01:40,600
we're giving no New Direction it's they

4100
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:42,120
will discuss it about working with a

4101
03:01:40,600 --> 03:01:44,680
with an Amalgamated group or whatever

4102
03:01:42,120 --> 03:01:46,160
see what they say very good is that okay

4103
03:01:44,680 --> 03:01:49,160
that's what we're going to do that's

4104
03:01:46,160 --> 03:01:52,760
fine so noted by I hopefully our clerk

4105
03:01:49,160 --> 03:01:55,279
can get that in the notes thank

4106
03:01:52,760 --> 03:01:59,399
you all

4107
03:01:55,279 --> 03:02:01,439
right uh we're going to move on then to

4108
03:01:59,399 --> 03:02:04,640
um

4109
03:02:01,439 --> 03:02:07,319
seage disposal wastewater treatment

4110
03:02:04,640 --> 03:02:10,600
plants is that correct yes that's

4111
03:02:07,319 --> 03:02:13,680
correct thank you for your

4112
03:02:10,600 --> 03:02:16,720
uh stepping in there

4113
03:02:13,680 --> 03:02:18,520
sir um you you've read the re everyone's

4114
03:02:16,720 --> 03:02:21,920
read the report

4115
03:02:18,520 --> 03:02:24,439
have we I am assuming and this has come

4116
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:28,399
about actually there was uh a at least

4117
03:02:24,439 --> 03:02:31,359
one or two people actually uh called uh

4118
03:02:28,399 --> 03:02:33,399
I think was counselor Irvin and then I

4119
03:02:31,359 --> 03:02:36,920
know I got a call from him and wanting

4120
03:02:33,399 --> 03:02:40,359
to know uh so I got a hold of a staff

4121
03:02:36,920 --> 03:02:44,319
and uh and this is how this report uh

4122
03:02:40,359 --> 03:02:47,359
came about U go ahead um fill in any

4123
03:02:44,319 --> 03:02:49,560
details you wish there Mr ker yeah I was

4124
03:02:47,359 --> 03:02:52,319
just going to make mention to the report

4125
03:02:49,560 --> 03:02:55,720
that um or just as a highlight to the

4126
03:02:52,319 --> 03:02:57,760
report um is that uh So currently right

4127
03:02:55,720 --> 03:03:00,399
now we do have included in our byon it's

4128
03:02:57,760 --> 03:03:01,760
the very last piece of uh in the in the

4129
03:03:00,399 --> 03:03:06,680
background information that we do

4130
03:03:01,760 --> 03:03:09,319
currently have um a fee for the Hol um

4131
03:03:06,680 --> 03:03:13,319
and so as such we also have uh at that

4132
03:03:09,319 --> 03:03:16,520
time or um up until recently have

4133
03:03:13,319 --> 03:03:18,399
accepted uh septage waste um now that

4134
03:03:16,520 --> 03:03:21,800
being said with Bayfield being at

4135
03:03:18,399 --> 03:03:26,359
capacity and not having the ability to

4136
03:03:21,800 --> 03:03:29,160
um to accept septage through the ea uh

4137
03:03:26,359 --> 03:03:32,479
through the ECA for both Hensel and

4138
03:03:29,160 --> 03:03:35,000
Zurich that it's it's been a a difficult

4139
03:03:32,479 --> 03:03:37,120
process for for residents at this time

4140
03:03:35,000 --> 03:03:40,319
and and during the summer months it's

4141
03:03:37,120 --> 03:03:43,520
not as critical um because most uh

4142
03:03:40,319 --> 03:03:45,160
septage that's hauled for uh or from

4143
03:03:43,520 --> 03:03:46,760
from our residents is actually land

4144
03:03:45,160 --> 03:03:50,160
applied but now we're getting into the

4145
03:03:46,760 --> 03:03:52,359
months where land app cannot happen um

4146
03:03:50,160 --> 03:03:55,239
and and so as such this is uh part of

4147
03:03:52,359 --> 03:03:57,680
where uh this the the generation of this

4148
03:03:55,239 --> 03:04:01,080
report is is important at this time as

4149
03:03:57,680 --> 03:04:02,720
well um so with that I would uh if

4150
03:04:01,080 --> 03:04:04,560
there's any questions i''d be happy

4151
03:04:02,720 --> 03:04:07,080
happy to answer

4152
03:04:04,560 --> 03:04:08,960
them is there any questions I'm gonna

4153
03:04:07,080 --> 03:04:12,319
ask that the recommendations do you need

4154
03:04:08,960 --> 03:04:12,319
all three of them separate again

4155
03:04:12,359 --> 03:04:18,399
Chandra or can they be all one all

4156
03:04:15,960 --> 03:04:20,319
separate please thank you very much

4157
03:04:18,399 --> 03:04:24,479
Mr Mayor have question go ahead

4158
03:04:20,319 --> 03:04:25,600
councelor Harris um I'm I'm curious um

4159
03:04:24,479 --> 03:04:28,720
the Hensel

4160
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:32,319
residents uh just been handed not too

4161
03:04:28,720 --> 03:04:36,720
long ago uh uh a bill for debenture on

4162
03:04:32,319 --> 03:04:40,239
Lagoon improvements in Hensel um I'm

4163
03:04:36,720 --> 03:04:43,319
curious as to how I respond to them uh

4164
03:04:40,239 --> 03:04:47,960
when they ask me um

4165
03:04:43,319 --> 03:04:50,080
why there is um septic waste put being

4166
03:04:47,960 --> 03:04:53,560
put into the hens

4167
03:04:50,080 --> 03:04:55,800
lagoons so what the intent would be

4168
03:04:53,560 --> 03:04:58,120
behind that would be that any additional

4169
03:04:55,800 --> 03:05:00,800
revenues generated would go back into

4170
03:04:58,120 --> 03:05:05,319
reserves so is that any

4171
03:05:00,800 --> 03:05:07,399
future um uh any future improvements or

4172
03:05:05,319 --> 03:05:09,520
any future maintenance would actually

4173
03:05:07,399 --> 03:05:12,080
help uh that that those costs would

4174
03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:14,680
actually be helped by this offsetting

4175
03:05:12,080 --> 03:05:18,200
component there so it would actually uh

4176
03:05:14,680 --> 03:05:21,560
go towards uh assisting in any future uh

4177
03:05:18,200 --> 03:05:24,479
maintenance and and and operational um

4178
03:05:21,560 --> 03:05:27,000
costs for that for those

4179
03:05:24,479 --> 03:05:29,399
Works true you Mr May it's gonna be a

4180
03:05:27,000 --> 03:05:32,439
tough sell

4181
03:05:29,399 --> 03:05:34,479
um to to have to respond to that

4182
03:05:32,439 --> 03:05:38,000
considering this what what they're going

4183
03:05:34,479 --> 03:05:39,680
to say to me is um so there's going to

4184
03:05:38,000 --> 03:05:43,520
be money put into

4185
03:05:39,680 --> 03:05:44,520
Reserve uh for the chance that dumping

4186
03:05:43,520 --> 03:05:47,040
septic

4187
03:05:44,520 --> 03:05:48,840
waste uh into the heads of lagoons is

4188
03:05:47,040 --> 03:05:52,479
going to cost cost the Hensel residents

4189
03:05:48,840 --> 03:05:56,600
more money no no it sorry it will not

4190
03:05:52,479 --> 03:05:59,600
cost the residents more money um it so

4191
03:05:56,600 --> 03:06:02,040
there is currently available capacity to

4192
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:03,840
treat at the Hensel Lagoon and it

4193
03:06:02,040 --> 03:06:08,279
actually there was that available

4194
03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:11,040
capacity there I'm sorry we paid for it

4195
03:06:08,279 --> 03:06:13,560
there was available capacity there prior

4196
03:06:11,040 --> 03:06:17,319
to that debenture being in place what

4197
03:06:13,560 --> 03:06:19,439
was paid for was the um was was there

4198
03:06:17,319 --> 03:06:22,920
was just work that needed to be done at

4199
03:06:19,439 --> 03:06:26,040
that facility um and so the costs that

4200
03:06:22,920 --> 03:06:27,680
would be generated now or sorry the the

4201
03:06:26,040 --> 03:06:29,840
the fees that would be generated or the

4202
03:06:27,680 --> 03:06:32,680
funds that would be generated now would

4203
03:06:29,840 --> 03:06:35,080
go towards offsetting any future Capital

4204
03:06:32,680 --> 03:06:37,600
works for that

4205
03:06:35,080 --> 03:06:39,600
facility and if also I think it's

4206
03:06:37,600 --> 03:06:42,880
important and it's proven by the

4207
03:06:39,600 --> 03:06:45,160
Bayfield if for some reason there's and

4208
03:06:42,880 --> 03:06:48,560
which is a good thing I I guess should

4209
03:06:45,160 --> 03:06:52,640
be there's increase in how closing

4210
03:06:48,560 --> 03:06:55,680
businesses in Hensel then this doesn't

4211
03:06:52,640 --> 03:06:58,600
supersede them regardless if there was

4212
03:06:55,680 --> 03:07:00,880
over say five years there was 120 there

4213
03:06:58,600 --> 03:07:04,479
was 10 loads there was 1,250 bucks or

4214
03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:06,439
whatever if at that point the rules kick

4215
03:07:04,479 --> 03:07:08,080
in that you can't use it it doesn't

4216
03:07:06,439 --> 03:07:09,800
matter that there's a motion that it can

4217
03:07:08,080 --> 03:07:12,160
be there just like what's happened now

4218
03:07:09,800 --> 03:07:15,080
at B at the Bayfield so to the residents

4219
03:07:12,160 --> 03:07:16,880
it's a good question and I that the

4220
03:07:15,080 --> 03:07:18,960
residents it isn't that they will be

4221
03:07:16,880 --> 03:07:22,439
excluded down the road because of of of

4222
03:07:18,960 --> 03:07:25,040
fee of dumping this is only if there's

4223
03:07:22,439 --> 03:07:28,080
capacity and room and there's a whole

4224
03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:30,840
lot of rules that he has to follow and

4225
03:07:28,080 --> 03:07:33,080
uh that're that they're

4226
03:07:30,840 --> 03:07:35,560
mandated so I think that needs to be

4227
03:07:33,080 --> 03:07:39,359
pointed out too yeah may I make a

4228
03:07:35,560 --> 03:07:41,120
question Mr Mayor yeah um I I I believe

4229
03:07:39,359 --> 03:07:44,840
I read that the

4230
03:07:41,120 --> 03:07:47,160
$125 is uh does not cover the

4231
03:07:44,840 --> 03:07:50,239
cost did I read that correctly down

4232
03:07:47,160 --> 03:07:51,800
lower so the fee is

4233
03:07:50,239 --> 03:07:56,680
$125

4234
03:07:51,800 --> 03:07:59,840
um I there's I would believe that we

4235
03:07:56,680 --> 03:08:01,880
should insist on total cost recovery if

4236
03:07:59,840 --> 03:08:03,520
they're going to use any of the lagoons

4237
03:08:01,880 --> 03:08:06,640
so it's $ 150 bucks or

4238
03:08:03,520 --> 03:08:08,720
$175 that blue water should charge the

4239
03:08:06,640 --> 03:08:12,080
cost at

4240
03:08:08,720 --> 03:08:14,560
least so also if I may through you your

4241
03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:16,880
warship also if I may um that is

4242
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:20,760
something that uh we are actually

4243
03:08:16,880 --> 03:08:24,399
looking to to have um identified as part

4244
03:08:20,760 --> 03:08:27,000
of our um as part of our water

4245
03:08:24,399 --> 03:08:28,560
Wastewater uh financial review if

4246
03:08:27,000 --> 03:08:31,160
Council wishes for that information to

4247
03:08:28,560 --> 03:08:33,840
be brought forward sooner than that uh I

4248
03:08:31,160 --> 03:08:36,479
can do that I I believe councel Walden

4249
03:08:33,840 --> 03:08:39,239
and I'm sure councilor Harris that agree

4250
03:08:36,479 --> 03:08:40,960
that yeah we if we're gonna uh allow

4251
03:08:39,239 --> 03:08:43,840
dumping to help people out only it's

4252
03:08:40,960 --> 03:08:46,560
only for winter time and and that yes it

4253
03:08:43,840 --> 03:08:48,239
it does show a a cost because that is

4254
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:50,479
one of the benefits

4255
03:08:48,239 --> 03:08:53,200
for our community however it does need

4256
03:08:50,479 --> 03:08:56,800
to 125 you're you point out it's got to

4257
03:08:53,200 --> 03:09:00,399
increase so yeah if this motion passes

4258
03:08:56,800 --> 03:09:02,080
tonight these recommendations I I really

4259
03:09:00,399 --> 03:09:04,520
you're on the record that that those

4260
03:09:02,080 --> 03:09:08,760
fees have to go up

4261
03:09:04,520 --> 03:09:12,120
ASAP uh um is that uh if we need to make

4262
03:09:08,760 --> 03:09:13,600
a motion on that or Direction but uh

4263
03:09:12,120 --> 03:09:15,359
let's be clear about that thank you

4264
03:09:13,600 --> 03:09:18,120
councelor Walden and councelor Harris on

4265
03:09:15,359 --> 03:09:21,800
that is mayor from

4266
03:09:18,120 --> 03:09:25,520
yep um in your report David mentions

4267
03:09:21,800 --> 03:09:29,560
that uh quote portapotty waste is not

4268
03:09:25,520 --> 03:09:32,239
acceptable um how do you justify between

4269
03:09:29,560 --> 03:09:34,239
uh gr B sanitation stopping cleaning out

4270
03:09:32,239 --> 03:09:37,200
four five Porta poies and then stopping

4271
03:09:34,239 --> 03:09:39,120
at Jim Smith to dump peptic tank um how

4272
03:09:37,200 --> 03:09:40,600
do we know that that actually isn't in

4273
03:09:39,120 --> 03:09:44,160
the same

4274
03:09:40,600 --> 03:09:49,000
truck so and and that's a good question

4275
03:09:44,160 --> 03:09:51,640
and so what um we so so we actually do

4276
03:09:49,000 --> 03:09:53,920
sampling and we would be able to uh to

4277
03:09:51,640 --> 03:09:55,880
identify that through uh through

4278
03:09:53,920 --> 03:09:56,640
sampling as well that the that some of

4279
03:09:55,880 --> 03:10:00,000
the

4280
03:09:56,640 --> 03:10:01,920
chemicals um that are used in Porta

4281
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:04,279
parties so we would actually be able to

4282
03:10:01,920 --> 03:10:06,239
identify that and then we would actually

4283
03:10:04,279 --> 03:10:09,120
um take steps to to Banning that

4284
03:10:06,239 --> 03:10:11,359
individual uh for not adhering to our

4285
03:10:09,120 --> 03:10:14,239
policy um it is detrimental to our

4286
03:10:11,359 --> 03:10:17,840
treatment process um and so as such we

4287
03:10:14,239 --> 03:10:19,319
we do want to make sure that we're not

4288
03:10:17,840 --> 03:10:22,080
um that we're not doing something that

4289
03:10:19,319 --> 03:10:25,359
is detrimental to our treatment process

4290
03:10:22,080 --> 03:10:27,640
um and and so we would we would um

4291
03:10:25,359 --> 03:10:31,439
ultimately if we had a sense we would

4292
03:10:27,640 --> 03:10:35,040
definitely um look into uh into whatever

4293
03:10:31,439 --> 03:10:35,040
we could to ensure that that's not the

4294
03:10:35,760 --> 03:10:41,800
case okay sorry Mr and what at what

4295
03:10:39,239 --> 03:10:44,000
point is it tested sorry Dave I would be

4296
03:10:41,800 --> 03:10:45,439
tested when it's dis like when when

4297
03:10:44,000 --> 03:10:48,200
they're when they're

4298
03:10:45,439 --> 03:10:50,760
discharging and that would be every time

4299
03:10:48,200 --> 03:10:52,000
somebody goes to we typically do staff

4300
03:10:50,760 --> 03:10:54,800
it every time that somebody is

4301
03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:54,800
discharging that's

4302
03:10:56,080 --> 03:11:01,439
correctol which it should be to to

4303
03:10:59,120 --> 03:11:05,319
follow the rules I guess yes that's

4304
03:11:01,439 --> 03:11:08,680
correct so um I'm gonna ask here because

4305
03:11:05,319 --> 03:11:10,560
it's been brought up and I know but uh

4306
03:11:08,680 --> 03:11:14,600
if I may I'd like to add a bullet number

4307
03:11:10,560 --> 03:11:17,120
four to this recommendations and so it's

4308
03:11:14,600 --> 03:11:19,800
clear for direction for you and for me

4309
03:11:17,120 --> 03:11:21,439
um that uh the that further the septic

4310
03:11:19,800 --> 03:11:24,520
fee

4311
03:11:21,439 --> 03:11:25,880
um whatever it's called officially also

4312
03:11:24,520 --> 03:11:29,680
be

4313
03:11:25,880 --> 03:11:31,439
um a report coming back with the with a

4314
03:11:29,680 --> 03:11:35,520
updated

4315
03:11:31,439 --> 03:11:37,640
U charges also be uh the fourth

4316
03:11:35,520 --> 03:11:40,880
recommendation so everyone's clear on

4317
03:11:37,640 --> 03:11:44,239
that is that okay with everyone Mr Mayor

4318
03:11:40,880 --> 03:11:47,239
yes I might I would be more inclined to

4319
03:11:44,239 --> 03:11:49,640
specifically say that uh when they're

4320
03:11:47,239 --> 03:11:51,640
report comes back our septic fees uh

4321
03:11:49,640 --> 03:11:54,840
discharge fees

4322
03:11:51,640 --> 03:11:56,880
must cover our costs must be set to

4323
03:11:54,840 --> 03:11:59,600
cover our cost whatever the report says

4324
03:11:56,880 --> 03:12:01,319
but the intent I believe is my my

4325
03:11:59,600 --> 03:12:03,279
comment was that it has to cover the

4326
03:12:01,319 --> 03:12:04,600
cost so whatever the report says that I

4327
03:12:03,279 --> 03:12:07,880
would make the bullet that our septic

4328
03:12:04,600 --> 03:12:09,920
fees septic discharge fees must cover

4329
03:12:07,880 --> 03:12:12,479
the cost of the

4330
03:12:09,920 --> 03:12:13,760
discharge I just saying that saying the

4331
03:12:12,479 --> 03:12:15,840
same thing a different way maybe I don't

4332
03:12:13,760 --> 03:12:17,760
know yeah no I think that's close enough

4333
03:12:15,840 --> 03:12:19,160
yeah c

4334
03:12:17,760 --> 03:12:23,120
just when we get to number three when

4335
03:12:19,160 --> 03:12:25,640
you say $4,000 included in the budget

4336
03:12:23,120 --> 03:12:29,239
that's is that like 4,000 has to be

4337
03:12:25,640 --> 03:12:31,560
spent whether there's one dump or or 50

4338
03:12:29,239 --> 03:12:35,800
or is that just if there

4339
03:12:31,560 --> 03:12:37,920
Isa that that's to amend the ECA so so

4340
03:12:35,800 --> 03:12:41,680
yes that's correct if if if there was

4341
03:12:37,920 --> 03:12:45,479
one usage or if there were 50 usage the

4342
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:48,920
the ECA would be reflective of that uh

4343
03:12:45,479 --> 03:12:52,720
of that regardless of the total

4344
03:12:48,920 --> 03:12:56,239
usage so just to be clear then covered

4345
03:12:52,720 --> 03:12:57,600
costs you won't have a one person 4,000

4346
03:12:56,239 --> 03:13:00,720
I guess well that'll stop them coming

4347
03:12:57,600 --> 03:13:02,800
for to us I guess but that keep in mind

4348
03:13:00,720 --> 03:13:03,760
this is all also only for residents of

4349
03:13:02,800 --> 03:13:06,279
blue

4350
03:13:03,760 --> 03:13:07,840
water and that also we didn't I don't

4351
03:13:06,279 --> 03:13:11,200
know if that's been clarified in this

4352
03:13:07,840 --> 03:13:14,479
report but I think it was um and sure

4353
03:13:11,200 --> 03:13:18,080
needs to be and this was again because

4354
03:13:14,479 --> 03:13:20,439
of the odd we have a few people

4355
03:13:18,080 --> 03:13:22,880
that uh came forward in municipality

4356
03:13:20,439 --> 03:13:25,479
Blue Water and they could even be in and

4357
03:13:22,880 --> 03:13:29,160
around our our hamlets too this isn't

4358
03:13:25,479 --> 03:13:31,600
just Lakeshore uh that the owner their

4359
03:13:29,160 --> 03:13:35,279
the trucking is they have to go where

4360
03:13:31,600 --> 03:13:38,120
Dave Uh Oh So currently right now uh

4361
03:13:35,279 --> 03:13:42,520
there's facilities in listol London and

4362
03:13:38,120 --> 03:13:44,000
sarna um that uh that can accept

4363
03:13:42,520 --> 03:13:46,760
additional

4364
03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:47,640
seage um are are are the ones that I

4365
03:13:46,760 --> 03:13:48,880
know

4366
03:13:47,640 --> 03:13:51,800
um are

4367
03:13:48,880 --> 03:13:54,960
available that our private companies

4368
03:13:51,800 --> 03:13:58,279
told the owners they'd be going to I

4369
03:13:54,960 --> 03:14:01,319
believe that sorry that the hauling

4370
03:13:58,279 --> 03:14:03,359
companies have have identified to the to

4371
03:14:01,319 --> 03:14:04,800
to our residents that that's where they

4372
03:14:03,359 --> 03:14:07,520
uh where they're hauling to that's

4373
03:14:04,800 --> 03:14:10,319
correct so our rates can go up

4374
03:14:07,520 --> 03:14:13,080
considerably more than 125 just to be

4375
03:14:10,319 --> 03:14:15,800
fair to everyone but I guess if they go

4376
03:14:13,080 --> 03:14:19,720
to 4,000 well then the 500 or whatever

4377
03:14:15,800 --> 03:14:21,479
they'll go to L will so it it it really

4378
03:14:19,720 --> 03:14:23,880
is about a little bit about our service

4379
03:14:21,479 --> 03:14:25,920
for our community but I totally we all

4380
03:14:23,880 --> 03:14:30,920
totally agree that the 25's got to

4381
03:14:25,920 --> 03:14:32,720
increase it's uh that's clear but just I

4382
03:14:30,920 --> 03:14:36,880
I just want to be upfront with everyone

4383
03:14:32,720 --> 03:14:40,520
cover Mr Mayor by me yeah um if this

4384
03:14:36,880 --> 03:14:43,239
gets passed and when this Go's public

4385
03:14:40,520 --> 03:14:45,439
I'm gonna have some absolute I rate uh

4386
03:14:43,239 --> 03:14:47,680
Hensel residents with the amount of

4387
03:14:45,439 --> 03:14:51,439
money that they have just spent on this

4388
03:14:47,680 --> 03:14:55,040
Lagoon and now we're asking them for for

4389
03:14:51,439 --> 03:14:58,359
all Municipal taxpayers to pay $4,000

4390
03:14:55,040 --> 03:15:03,560
for an EA so that we can have septic

4391
03:14:58,359 --> 03:15:07,800
waste pumped into our Lagoon so $4,000

4392
03:15:03,560 --> 03:15:09,600
is to get permission to put septic waste

4393
03:15:07,800 --> 03:15:13,359
into our Lagoon and that would be all

4394
03:15:09,600 --> 03:15:13,359
blue water taxpayers paying that four

4395
03:15:13,600 --> 03:15:18,200
grand is that that's correct I believe

4396
03:15:16,640 --> 03:15:22,199
right

4397
03:15:18,200 --> 03:15:24,239
so as it relates to the uh and this may

4398
03:15:22,199 --> 03:15:27,840
be detrimental to the conversation as it

4399
03:15:24,239 --> 03:15:30,800
relates to sewer it would actually be uh

4400
03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:35,080
any individuals who are paying in who

4401
03:15:30,800 --> 03:15:37,319
pay sewer fees so it would not be all

4402
03:15:35,080 --> 03:15:38,960
blue water residents it would be anybody

4403
03:15:37,319 --> 03:15:40,199
that pays oh that's all needs to be

4404
03:15:38,960 --> 03:15:43,920
clarified

4405
03:15:40,199 --> 03:15:45,800
here so so and and please understand as

4406
03:15:43,920 --> 03:15:49,199
part of the conversation that there is

4407
03:15:45,800 --> 03:15:51,800
the available capacity now so so

4408
03:15:49,199 --> 03:15:54,080
actually to to create a more viable

4409
03:15:51,800 --> 03:15:55,720
system to have addition additional

4410
03:15:54,080 --> 03:15:58,880
usership and that's where it's important

4411
03:15:55,720 --> 03:16:00,960
to have that fee uh increased to to

4412
03:15:58,880 --> 03:16:03,560
recognize full cost

4413
03:16:00,960 --> 03:16:06,439
recovery is that to actually have a a

4414
03:16:03,560 --> 03:16:09,120
system become more viable it's to get uh

4415
03:16:06,439 --> 03:16:12,640
basically to get you to as close to your

4416
03:16:09,120 --> 03:16:14,800
operating threshold as what you can uh

4417
03:16:12,640 --> 03:16:17,040
to achieve that efficiency of that

4418
03:16:14,800 --> 03:16:20,359
system um so ultimately like if you

4419
03:16:17,040 --> 03:16:21,920
could operate around 95% capacity and

4420
03:16:20,359 --> 03:16:24,120
know that no growth or anything like

4421
03:16:21,920 --> 03:16:27,439
that was going to happen um that would

4422
03:16:24,120 --> 03:16:30,840
be the best or or or optimal operating

4423
03:16:27,439 --> 03:16:32,520
scenario from a financial standpoint um

4424
03:16:30,840 --> 03:16:33,640
I mean if you could do it at 100% that

4425
03:16:32,520 --> 03:16:35,840
would be great but then you're not

4426
03:16:33,640 --> 03:16:38,520
really giving yourself any uh any

4427
03:16:35,840 --> 03:16:40,760
latitude one way or the other um but but

4428
03:16:38,520 --> 03:16:43,960
to have your system operate uh

4429
03:16:40,760 --> 03:16:45,560
financially as uh as as optimally as

4430
03:16:43,960 --> 03:16:47,239
possible that would that would give you

4431
03:16:45,560 --> 03:16:49,920
that best scenario so that this actually

4432
03:16:47,239 --> 03:16:54,040
affords us an opportunity here to have

4433
03:16:49,920 --> 03:16:55,880
our systems operate um uh at a more

4434
03:16:54,040 --> 03:16:58,080
functional capacity than what they are

4435
03:16:55,880 --> 03:16:58,080
right

4436
03:17:02,720 --> 03:17:07,680
now councelor wetstone and then uh uh

4437
03:17:05,600 --> 03:17:09,199
whoever was there there I'll let in for

4438
03:17:07,680 --> 03:17:12,880
sure councelor

4439
03:17:09,199 --> 03:17:14,520
wetstone so the $4,000 we have to we

4440
03:17:12,880 --> 03:17:17,960
have to spend up front in order to do

4441
03:17:14,520 --> 03:17:22,120
the ECA to be amended in order for the

4442
03:17:17,960 --> 03:17:24,000
for for this process to happen so how

4443
03:17:22,120 --> 03:17:27,600
does

4444
03:17:24,000 --> 03:17:29,439
one get full cost recovery of the $4,000

4445
03:17:27,600 --> 03:17:31,800
if we don't know do we have any

4446
03:17:29,439 --> 03:17:33,960
indication on how many times this is

4447
03:17:31,800 --> 03:17:36,160
going to be done I have a general

4448
03:17:33,960 --> 03:17:41,040
indication based on past practices of

4449
03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:43,680
what um of what we have received um

4450
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:46,279
previous in previous years okay so

4451
03:17:43,680 --> 03:17:47,680
you're when with that full cost recovery

4452
03:17:46,279 --> 03:17:50,040
you have a pretty good idea what that

4453
03:17:47,680 --> 03:17:52,120
number would be then as far I would look

4454
03:17:50,040 --> 03:17:55,479
to have it spread over a period of time

4455
03:17:52,120 --> 03:17:57,760
appropriate period of time based on um

4456
03:17:55,479 --> 03:18:00,000
what what typically we look at for from

4457
03:17:57,760 --> 03:18:02,880
a financial cost recovery like

4458
03:18:00,000 --> 03:18:05,399
principles um that that would be

4459
03:18:02,880 --> 03:18:07,359
appropriate I mean to to the to the

4460
03:18:05,399 --> 03:18:10,560
mayor's point of having it go to one

4461
03:18:07,359 --> 03:18:12,560
individual the first individual um it's

4462
03:18:10,560 --> 03:18:15,600
it's that's obviously not appropriate

4463
03:18:12,560 --> 03:18:19,199
but um we would we would look to spread

4464
03:18:15,600 --> 03:18:21,040
that over uh over the appropriate time

4465
03:18:19,199 --> 03:18:22,479
my comment was more I agree my comment

4466
03:18:21,040 --> 03:18:24,880
was more on okay we're gonna do this is

4467
03:18:22,479 --> 03:18:26,399
anybody gonna come it's one of those if

4468
03:18:24,880 --> 03:18:27,239
you build it they will come will they

4469
03:18:26,399 --> 03:18:30,439
really

4470
03:18:27,239 --> 03:18:32,479
come you're saying that there is a need

4471
03:18:30,439 --> 03:18:36,160
there is a need within the municipality

4472
03:18:32,479 --> 03:18:38,479
yes and and and um the other piece to

4473
03:18:36,160 --> 03:18:42,160
that is that uh it does become

4474
03:18:38,479 --> 03:18:46,279
financially detrimental uh to to haul it

4475
03:18:42,160 --> 03:18:48,760
to uh let's say list Orna just simply

4476
03:18:46,279 --> 03:18:52,199
from the the hauling standpoint that the

4477
03:18:48,760 --> 03:18:54,520
the cost of of actually discharging the

4478
03:18:52,199 --> 03:18:56,399
septage at those facilities is not that

4479
03:18:54,520 --> 03:18:59,680
significant it's it's just the drive

4480
03:18:56,399 --> 03:19:02,640
time uh that makes it um less

4481
03:18:59,680 --> 03:19:04,520
financially viable and and as such gets

4482
03:19:02,640 --> 03:19:07,840
uh downloaded to those specific

4483
03:19:04,520 --> 03:19:10,880
residents with with that need Mr Mayor

4484
03:19:07,840 --> 03:19:13,239
if I may yeah go ahead no it's to

4485
03:19:10,880 --> 03:19:16,880
councelor wetstone uh it was clarified

4486
03:19:13,239 --> 03:19:19,439
that it's actually um the Zur enhan

4487
03:19:16,880 --> 03:19:22,680
residents that will be paying

4488
03:19:19,439 --> 03:19:25,319
$4,000 no it was sorry uh if I was not

4489
03:19:22,680 --> 03:19:28,120
clear it's it's so we operate our system

4490
03:19:25,319 --> 03:19:30,279
so it would be the septics anybody sorry

4491
03:19:28,120 --> 03:19:33,000
the sewer system so anybody who pays

4492
03:19:30,279 --> 03:19:36,040
onto the sewer bills for these systems

4493
03:19:33,000 --> 03:19:38,199
that includes Bayfield correct

4494
03:19:36,040 --> 03:19:41,080
right and prior to this they were

4495
03:19:38,199 --> 03:19:44,479
basically going to Bayfield that's

4496
03:19:41,080 --> 03:19:47,120
correct and and now we can't use that

4497
03:19:44,479 --> 03:19:49,760
4,000 from that one because of way the

4498
03:19:47,120 --> 03:19:52,920
system works each each plan has to have

4499
03:19:49,760 --> 03:19:56,239
its own license each each facility has

4500
03:19:52,920 --> 03:19:59,040
its own ECA to allow it to operate

4501
03:19:56,239 --> 03:20:00,960
that's correct and and bayfield's ECA

4502
03:19:59,040 --> 03:20:03,680
last time it was incorporated or last

4503
03:20:00,960 --> 03:20:06,239
time it was open the amendment was made

4504
03:20:03,680 --> 03:20:08,720
to allow to accept

4505
03:20:06,239 --> 03:20:11,359
septage but this time you couldn't do

4506
03:20:08,720 --> 03:20:15,399
that so we we've been allowing it over

4507
03:20:11,359 --> 03:20:17,439
the years it's only been at Bayfield

4508
03:20:15,399 --> 03:20:19,239
correct all right maybe that maybe

4509
03:20:17,439 --> 03:20:22,720
that's why we're maxed out in our uh

4510
03:20:19,239 --> 03:20:25,680
lagoons I can assure you it's not I was

4511
03:20:22,720 --> 03:20:30,600
being cynical Dave I

4512
03:20:25,680 --> 03:20:34,080
know Mr Mayor yes go ahead make a com um

4513
03:20:30,600 --> 03:20:37,000
going forward should this pass uh we

4514
03:20:34,080 --> 03:20:41,800
might look at making it our objective to

4515
03:20:37,000 --> 03:20:45,120
uh include in the fees if uh if Dave has

4516
03:20:41,800 --> 03:20:48,560
an idea you know an estimate of how much

4517
03:20:45,120 --> 03:20:52,520
we're going to be using to Pro rate that

4518
03:20:48,560 --> 03:20:54,319
so that the $4,000 for sure is not

4519
03:20:52,520 --> 03:20:57,880
eventually does not come out of the

4520
03:20:54,319 --> 03:21:00,199
pockets of the three villages that have

4521
03:20:57,880 --> 03:21:02,319
sewage systems so that that somehow we

4522
03:21:00,199 --> 03:21:04,399
incorporate so it's cost really 150

4523
03:21:02,319 --> 03:21:06,560
bucks a discharge but we charge another

4524
03:21:04,399 --> 03:21:08,319
30 bucks on top of that to make sure

4525
03:21:06,560 --> 03:21:10,239
that that $4,000 eventually gets paid

4526
03:21:08,319 --> 03:21:12,120
for I believe we should try to make take

4527
03:21:10,239 --> 03:21:13,840
steps that residents don't get charged

4528
03:21:12,120 --> 03:21:15,239
for that EA to let somebody else dump

4529
03:21:13,840 --> 03:21:17,760
sewage

4530
03:21:15,239 --> 03:21:20,120
there yeah

4531
03:21:17,760 --> 03:21:22,279
um that's that's why it's a

4532
03:21:20,120 --> 03:21:24,600
little it's it's it's pointed out the

4533
03:21:22,279 --> 03:21:26,439
fees are going to go up uh we've had

4534
03:21:24,600 --> 03:21:29,319
that discussion but you're right it the

4535
03:21:26,439 --> 03:21:31,000
intent is that 4,000 should be it isn't

4536
03:21:29,319 --> 03:21:32,680
just as simple as some of the other fees

4537
03:21:31,000 --> 03:21:34,319
that we have that allow a little more

4538
03:21:32,680 --> 03:21:35,960
time frame I think this one is we're

4539
03:21:34,319 --> 03:21:39,520
doing people a bit of a

4540
03:21:35,960 --> 03:21:42,040
favor you know so I would hope that that

4541
03:21:39,520 --> 03:21:43,520
uh fee I you picked a number it would be

4542
03:21:42,040 --> 03:21:45,199
a little higher to be paid a little

4543
03:21:43,520 --> 03:21:47,199
faster but we're still doing people a

4544
03:21:45,199 --> 03:21:50,600
favor and it's getting this four or

4545
03:21:47,199 --> 03:21:53,080
5,000 paid back as fast as possible and

4546
03:21:50,600 --> 03:21:56,960
maybe some money left in the

4547
03:21:53,080 --> 03:21:59,600
kitty um okay is that

4548
03:21:56,960 --> 03:22:02,560
uh do you want to wait till we have the

4549
03:21:59,600 --> 03:22:06,880
fee structure colleagues to see it if

4550
03:22:02,560 --> 03:22:09,120
that would help I'm throwing out options

4551
03:22:06,880 --> 03:22:10,920
here I mean I don't personally I don't

4552
03:22:09,120 --> 03:22:13,040
need to see the fee structure as long as

4553
03:22:10,920 --> 03:22:14,640
I know that it's going to be 100%

4554
03:22:13,040 --> 03:22:17,199
reimbursed is kind of if you want to

4555
03:22:14,640 --> 03:22:20,199
call that or charge back to cover our

4556
03:22:17,199 --> 03:22:22,520
cost whatever that is it is what it is

4557
03:22:20,199 --> 03:22:24,279
whatever the Fe structure is I've got

4558
03:22:22,520 --> 03:22:26,359
I'm listening to Dave he's going to

4559
03:22:24,279 --> 03:22:30,640
figure that out and charge

4560
03:22:26,359 --> 03:22:30,640
accordingly in my mind

4561
03:22:30,840 --> 03:22:36,479
okay will be in the 2021 budget it will

4562
03:22:33,720 --> 03:22:38,520
be visible to the public in the 2021

4563
03:22:36,479 --> 03:22:43,680
budget that that's true we're spending

4564
03:22:38,520 --> 03:22:45,560
$4,000 on it yes and I and I appreciate

4565
03:22:43,680 --> 03:22:48,080
you did did not go unheard what you said

4566
03:22:45,560 --> 03:22:49,880
I totally agree I that's why I want

4567
03:22:48,080 --> 03:22:52,960
that's why it' make it a little easier

4568
03:22:49,880 --> 03:22:55,399
if we'd see the we've told the intent

4569
03:22:52,960 --> 03:22:57,600
today to Dave that we want it to be not

4570
03:22:55,399 --> 03:23:00,640
just that normal fairness but it has to

4571
03:22:57,600 --> 03:23:02,359
be a bit more than fair no above Fair

4572
03:23:00,640 --> 03:23:04,960
because the benefit they're getting to

4573
03:23:02,359 --> 03:23:07,040
get the 4,000 back so I can say to

4574
03:23:04,960 --> 03:23:09,439
resent from the three

4575
03:23:07,040 --> 03:23:11,319
municipalities that this 4,000 isn't get

4576
03:23:09,439 --> 03:23:13,720
stuck that it's taking 8 years to pay

4577
03:23:11,319 --> 03:23:15,000
back that's for sure it's got to be paid

4578
03:23:13,720 --> 03:23:17,439
back fairly

4579
03:23:15,000 --> 03:23:22,399
soon again we don't want a lot of people

4580
03:23:17,439 --> 03:23:23,880
using it in a way but uh it's about if

4581
03:23:22,399 --> 03:23:26,920
there's a need there and we can use it

4582
03:23:23,880 --> 03:23:28,920
and get the money back and we're assured

4583
03:23:26,920 --> 03:23:32,920
that it's not screwing the system

4584
03:23:28,920 --> 03:23:35,040
up there's the issue uh Mr Bear yeah

4585
03:23:32,920 --> 03:23:37,199
that that that is the issue and I guess

4586
03:23:35,040 --> 03:23:40,800
you know I'll I'll support this because

4587
03:23:37,199 --> 03:23:43,600
I believe that our residents on septic

4588
03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:47,040
systems need it and they but they only

4589
03:23:43,600 --> 03:23:50,239
need it in an emergency situation only

4590
03:23:47,040 --> 03:23:51,760
when this cannot be applied and it's too

4591
03:23:50,239 --> 03:23:54,239
muddy to get into the fields with a

4592
03:23:51,760 --> 03:23:56,680
truck otherwise I don't want to see it

4593
03:23:54,239 --> 03:23:59,279
to go into the uh into the lagoons and

4594
03:23:56,680 --> 03:24:01,160
the reason is not because of the fees or

4595
03:23:59,279 --> 03:24:03,800
the cost or anything else this is

4596
03:24:01,160 --> 03:24:05,840
entirely different biological processes

4597
03:24:03,800 --> 03:24:08,120
you're talking anerobic and aerobic

4598
03:24:05,840 --> 03:24:10,160
processes and you'll flip that Lagoon if

4599
03:24:08,120 --> 03:24:12,319
you put enough of that stuff in there so

4600
03:24:10,160 --> 03:24:15,600
these lagoons do not are not made to

4601
03:24:12,319 --> 03:24:18,080
take septage they will take it on a

4602
03:24:15,600 --> 03:24:20,840
limited basis and you can spread it out

4603
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:23,199
over time so I'm concerned about the

4604
03:24:20,840 --> 03:24:26,920
operation of the Lagoon more than the

4605
03:24:23,199 --> 03:24:29,000
fee and uh only be done on an emergency

4606
03:24:26,920 --> 03:24:31,359
basis and I think that needs to be

4607
03:24:29,000 --> 03:24:33,640
written up clearly too and it's only for

4608
03:24:31,359 --> 03:24:36,319
blue waterer residents it's only a

4609
03:24:33,640 --> 03:24:38,160
certain times pointed out and and that

4610
03:24:36,319 --> 03:24:40,000
they're told up front regardless of

4611
03:24:38,160 --> 03:24:41,960
whatever the fee is if they get to a

4612
03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:44,279
point there's too many we give the power

4613
03:24:41,960 --> 03:24:46,000
to Dave to say sorry you can't come here

4614
03:24:44,279 --> 03:24:46,920
and don't and yeah phone Paul clo the

4615
03:24:46,000 --> 03:24:48,920
mayor

4616
03:24:46,920 --> 03:24:51,000
there I'll say listen the rules are the

4617
03:24:48,920 --> 03:24:54,000
rules and and I'm sorry you're going to

4618
03:24:51,000 --> 03:24:57,399
have to go to somewhere else including

4619
03:24:54,000 --> 03:25:00,720
yeah can I speak finally

4620
03:24:57,399 --> 03:25:03,160
yes well I can't see sorry uh counselor

4621
03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:05,239
Becker I can't see you so don't don't

4622
03:25:03,160 --> 03:25:06,680
say finally to me I appreciate we're all

4623
03:25:05,239 --> 03:25:09,399
trying to get along here it's a long

4624
03:25:06,680 --> 03:25:11,920
night but in I accept I accept it but

4625
03:25:09,399 --> 03:25:14,600
but in but don't say I didn't try

4626
03:25:11,920 --> 03:25:17,080
to I can try to speak for the last 10

4627
03:25:14,600 --> 03:25:19,319
minutes but oh I apologize I agree with

4628
03:25:17,080 --> 03:25:21,479
our Deputy Mayor and we've been told by

4629
03:25:19,319 --> 03:25:23,800
BM Ross that we're not supposed to

4630
03:25:21,479 --> 03:25:25,800
accept this septage into our lagoons

4631
03:25:23,800 --> 03:25:29,479
because it is a different component

4632
03:25:25,800 --> 03:25:31,520
affluence and we uh in the past they

4633
03:25:29,479 --> 03:25:33,920
allowed a bit to get into the Bayfield

4634
03:25:31,520 --> 03:25:37,080
Lagoon over the years but they've

4635
03:25:33,920 --> 03:25:39,359
frowned on it immensely and I don't

4636
03:25:37,080 --> 03:25:44,359
think we're we're going to open up the

4637
03:25:39,359 --> 03:25:48,800
doors here to a wrong idea and

4638
03:25:44,359 --> 03:25:51,840
the idea should be be on the residents

4639
03:25:48,800 --> 03:25:54,720
to have their tanks pumped out on an Ann

4640
03:25:51,840 --> 03:25:57,520
or threeyear basis and do it in the

4641
03:25:54,720 --> 03:26:00,600
months that are allotted to them and if

4642
03:25:57,520 --> 03:26:03,080
we start spending $4,000 of taxpayers

4643
03:26:00,600 --> 03:26:04,560
money I agree with coun Harris there's

4644
03:26:03,080 --> 03:26:08,239
going to be

4645
03:26:04,560 --> 03:26:11,160
upgrades so just if I may uh your

4646
03:26:08,239 --> 03:26:16,000
warship um

4647
03:26:11,160 --> 03:26:19,239
the uh the larger issue here is is

4648
03:26:16,000 --> 03:26:21,120
actually not the septic systems it's

4649
03:26:19,239 --> 03:26:22,880
people with holding tanks which we do

4650
03:26:21,120 --> 03:26:27,199
have a few of them

4651
03:26:22,880 --> 03:26:30,960
are there's a handful of them um so uh

4652
03:26:27,199 --> 03:26:32,760
in the municipality and so um the the

4653
03:26:30,960 --> 03:26:35,560
majority of issues to to the deputy

4654
03:26:32,760 --> 03:26:37,160
mayor's Point um that in an emergency

4655
03:26:35,560 --> 03:26:39,359
situation let's say they have a system

4656
03:26:37,160 --> 03:26:42,080
failure whatever something like that um

4657
03:26:39,359 --> 03:26:44,160
that we would look to to having that um

4658
03:26:42,080 --> 03:26:47,359
the larger issue becomes with holding

4659
03:26:44,160 --> 03:26:50,000
tanks uh for the residents within our

4660
03:26:47,359 --> 03:26:53,439
municipality who um they just don't have

4661
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:56,239
the capacity to to to to go through the

4662
03:26:53,439 --> 03:26:59,479
entire um through the entire winter

4663
03:26:56,239 --> 03:27:01,640
season let's say uh to to wait for land

4664
03:26:59,479 --> 03:27:03,399
application to actually take place th

4665
03:27:01,640 --> 03:27:04,880
those are the ones that that end up

4666
03:27:03,399 --> 03:27:06,880
being a little bit more critical to the

4667
03:27:04,880 --> 03:27:09,520
conversation and just the points to the

4668
03:27:06,880 --> 03:27:11,319
conversation I am working with BM Ross

4669
03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:14,720
uh on this to actually come to the

4670
03:27:11,319 --> 03:27:16,880
determination on what the max value of

4671
03:27:14,720 --> 03:27:20,359
septage to be able to be

4672
03:27:16,880 --> 03:27:23,120
accepted um at at any of our facilities

4673
03:27:20,359 --> 03:27:26,439
is actually um just so we know what that

4674
03:27:23,120 --> 03:27:29,040
volume is so we're not uh we're not

4675
03:27:26,439 --> 03:27:31,840
providing a detriment to our treatment

4676
03:27:29,040 --> 03:27:35,120
process um because yes to to the whole

4677
03:27:31,840 --> 03:27:37,080
point I don't want to end up seeing that

4678
03:27:35,120 --> 03:27:39,239
uh that that our treatment process

4679
03:27:37,080 --> 03:27:41,160
actually ends up failing because of

4680
03:27:39,239 --> 03:27:44,880
accepting septage

4681
03:27:41,160 --> 03:27:48,760
waste another question uh Mr Mar if I

4682
03:27:44,880 --> 03:27:51,760
may uh since you brought it up uh the uh

4683
03:27:48,760 --> 03:27:53,840
Bayfield Lagoon was also accepting lee8

4684
03:27:51,760 --> 03:27:57,800
from the landfill at one point is that

4685
03:27:53,840 --> 03:27:59,880
still accepting that or not so we have

4686
03:27:57,800 --> 03:28:03,319
so also included in the ECA for the

4687
03:27:59,880 --> 03:28:04,960
Bayfield Lagoon is uh the ability to

4688
03:28:03,319 --> 03:28:08,080
haul leech eight we have not done that

4689
03:28:04,960 --> 03:28:11,239
in I believe two years actually okay

4690
03:28:08,080 --> 03:28:14,439
because that throws your do way B way

4691
03:28:11,239 --> 03:28:18,080
out yep that's correct and and so we're

4692
03:28:14,439 --> 03:28:21,160
actually um so we're actually making use

4693
03:28:18,080 --> 03:28:25,600
of that on site actually the lee8 we're

4694
03:28:21,160 --> 03:28:29,520
we're doing better um in uh in in in our

4695
03:28:25,600 --> 03:28:31,279
lee8 handling on site um so I I took

4696
03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:33,520
active steps to seeing that that would

4697
03:28:31,279 --> 03:28:35,439
take place uh when I started in the

4698
03:28:33,520 --> 03:28:37,359
municipality and then we're also any

4699
03:28:35,439 --> 03:28:39,520
additional materials that we are or any

4700
03:28:37,359 --> 03:28:41,640
additional Lee that is being generated

4701
03:28:39,520 --> 03:28:44,800
we're actually broadcasting it on our

4702
03:28:41,640 --> 03:28:47,600
site uh in an effort actually to Aid in

4703
03:28:44,800 --> 03:28:49,920
compaction uh actually it just through

4704
03:28:47,600 --> 03:28:52,560
through the additional fluid um

4705
03:28:49,920 --> 03:28:54,880
migrating through the system it actually

4706
03:28:52,560 --> 03:28:59,319
uh it actually AIDS in compaction of our

4707
03:28:54,880 --> 03:29:02,319
uh of our um of our Mound at our Stanley

4708
03:28:59,319 --> 03:29:04,479
facility that was good information it

4709
03:29:02,319 --> 03:29:07,040
got saved a b report for later so that's

4710
03:29:04,479 --> 03:29:08,279
good um just to I don't want to belabor

4711
03:29:07,040 --> 03:29:11,800
this but I'm going to set I guess I'm

4712
03:29:08,279 --> 03:29:14,080
going to septic is also different than

4713
03:29:11,800 --> 03:29:15,760
holding tank material holding M material

4714
03:29:14,080 --> 03:29:18,880
from what I understand is a little more

4715
03:29:15,760 --> 03:29:22,000
easy I to take for the system yes or no

4716
03:29:18,880 --> 03:29:23,439
answer it it's all still septage okay

4717
03:29:22,000 --> 03:29:26,319
all right just want to know for

4718
03:29:23,439 --> 03:29:28,080
clarification so colleagues we're we've

4719
03:29:26,319 --> 03:29:30,520
had good discussion and it needed to

4720
03:29:28,080 --> 03:29:35,199
happen uh councelor Harris was right it

4721
03:29:30,520 --> 03:29:39,279
sounds nice but oh boy you you you know

4722
03:29:35,199 --> 03:29:40,800
you're these can catch you so I'm I'm I

4723
03:29:39,279 --> 03:29:43,160
would like Council though to make some

4724
03:29:40,800 --> 03:29:45,439
decisions here if they can

4725
03:29:43,160 --> 03:29:48,120
tonight if you want more information or

4726
03:29:45,439 --> 03:29:50,720
think about it that's fine too so

4727
03:29:48,120 --> 03:29:53,160
there's the options we vote one two or

4728
03:29:50,720 --> 03:29:54,720
three see where they go or or a motion

4729
03:29:53,160 --> 03:29:57,640
you want to think about it and have it

4730
03:29:54,720 --> 03:30:00,000
come back I I I'm looking for

4731
03:29:57,640 --> 03:30:03,239
direction I have conf Mr Mayor I have

4732
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:06,640
confidence that uh our Public's Works

4733
03:30:03,239 --> 03:30:08,960
manager has it uh under control and uh

4734
03:30:06,640 --> 03:30:11,880
has given it proper consideration and

4735
03:30:08,960 --> 03:30:16,120
will uh will be aware of all of the

4736
03:30:11,880 --> 03:30:18,479
issues so I think we should move forward

4737
03:30:16,120 --> 03:30:20,319
first one or as many as we have to move

4738
03:30:18,479 --> 03:30:22,800
okay well the first recommendation is

4739
03:30:20,319 --> 03:30:26,319
that uh that Council direct staff to

4740
03:30:22,800 --> 03:30:28,960
allow hold septage generated in the

4741
03:30:26,319 --> 03:30:32,439
municipality to be discharged in Hensel

4742
03:30:28,960 --> 03:30:37,199
and Zurich lagoons is there a

4743
03:30:32,439 --> 03:30:37,199
mover can we add on an emergency basis

4744
03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:45,120
there um or something there emergency

4745
03:30:42,680 --> 03:30:47,439
yeah then it's clear then it's clear for

4746
03:30:45,120 --> 03:30:49,439
sure he's to have some other rules in

4747
03:30:47,439 --> 03:30:51,279
there to fine detail but they they like

4748
03:30:49,439 --> 03:30:53,439
to get the the main stuff written on the

4749
03:30:51,279 --> 03:30:54,960
front line that's for sure I agree

4750
03:30:53,439 --> 03:30:57,680
emergency

4751
03:30:54,960 --> 03:31:01,160
use uh there'll be dates and all that

4752
03:30:57,680 --> 03:31:02,960
all that entails right like only okay

4753
03:31:01,160 --> 03:31:05,319
yeah but so it's good to have that word

4754
03:31:02,960 --> 03:31:06,600
yeah I I I I'm fine with that I don't

4755
03:31:05,319 --> 03:31:08,520
think it I don't think it wrecks the

4756
03:31:06,600 --> 03:31:10,920
intent of the motion that's that's only

4757
03:31:08,520 --> 03:31:13,560
I'm looking at right from and of course

4758
03:31:10,920 --> 03:31:16,840
chander is still the last word on that

4759
03:31:13,560 --> 03:31:19,040
but if that if she can sees that isn't a

4760
03:31:16,840 --> 03:31:20,199
a change in the intent then uh we're

4761
03:31:19,040 --> 03:31:24,399
going to leave it

4762
03:31:20,199 --> 03:31:28,120
there so the motion reads Z lagoons and

4763
03:31:24,399 --> 03:31:28,120
includes emergency use

4764
03:31:29,439 --> 03:31:33,560
only is that clear enough for

4765
03:31:34,120 --> 03:31:38,319
everyone I'm gonna call the question is

4766
03:31:36,520 --> 03:31:40,920
there a seconder sorry I don't have a

4767
03:31:38,319 --> 03:31:43,560
seconder yet sorry you're right

4768
03:31:40,920 --> 03:31:46,439
Vandenberg will councelor Vandenberg

4769
03:31:43,560 --> 03:31:48,239
second

4770
03:31:46,439 --> 03:31:52,520
I'm going to call the question all those

4771
03:31:48,239 --> 03:31:54,520
in favor of the motion say I I any

4772
03:31:52,520 --> 03:31:58,720
opposed

4773
03:31:54,520 --> 03:32:01,920
Nate I hear I believe the eyes have it

4774
03:31:58,720 --> 03:32:05,199
I'm going to say that one as pin p

4775
03:32:01,920 --> 03:32:07,520
pass on number two that Council direct

4776
03:32:05,199 --> 03:32:09,000
staff to make the appropriate amendments

4777
03:32:07,520 --> 03:32:11,439
to the Zurich and Hensel wastewater

4778
03:32:09,000 --> 03:32:14,439
treatment facility ECA to formally

4779
03:32:11,439 --> 03:32:17,479
identify the ability to accept called

4780
03:32:14,439 --> 03:32:22,120
septage Mr May I'll move

4781
03:32:17,479 --> 03:32:23,399
that Harris Harris if I can add to it I

4782
03:32:22,120 --> 03:32:25,560
feel that that maybe should have been

4783
03:32:23,399 --> 03:32:28,479
the first recommendation so that we can

4784
03:32:25,560 --> 03:32:30,880
find out whether or not BM Ross uh

4785
03:32:28,479 --> 03:32:34,160
actually will allow the septic to be put

4786
03:32:30,880 --> 03:32:36,319
into the lagoons duly noted sir thank

4787
03:32:34,160 --> 03:32:38,680
you is there a

4788
03:32:36,319 --> 03:32:40,880
seconder councelor Walden with second

4789
03:32:38,680 --> 03:32:43,439
councelor

4790
03:32:40,880 --> 03:32:48,279
Walden your worship councelor Harris did

4791
03:32:43,439 --> 03:32:49,399
you add verbage to two number two uh I

4792
03:32:48,279 --> 03:32:53,680
just thought it should have been the

4793
03:32:49,399 --> 03:32:53,680
first recommendation is all my was my

4794
03:32:53,880 --> 03:33:00,199
opinion okay thank you for that

4795
03:32:58,040 --> 03:33:02,120
clarification so the there was nothing

4796
03:33:00,199 --> 03:33:04,720
added uh for the

4797
03:33:02,120 --> 03:33:09,040
record good comment though there was

4798
03:33:04,720 --> 03:33:10,560
good comment I'll say all right uh is

4799
03:33:09,040 --> 03:33:12,239
what's been moved and seconded I'm going

4800
03:33:10,560 --> 03:33:16,520
to call the question all those in favor

4801
03:33:12,239 --> 03:33:19,600
say I I I and any opposed

4802
03:33:16,520 --> 03:33:21,359
hearing none motion carries and number

4803
03:33:19,600 --> 03:33:24,120
three that Council direct staff to

4804
03:33:21,359 --> 03:33:27,960
include the $4,000 in the

4805
03:33:24,120 --> 03:33:30,279
21 2021 sewer budget to have Zurich and

4806
03:33:27,960 --> 03:33:35,399
Hansel water treat Wastewater Treatment

4807
03:33:30,279 --> 03:33:35,399
Facility in the ECA amended is there a

4808
03:33:38,680 --> 03:33:43,800
mover so all mve Deputy Mayor Deputy

4809
03:33:42,680 --> 03:33:46,800
Mayor thank

4810
03:33:43,800 --> 03:33:48,319
you Secor

4811
03:33:46,800 --> 03:33:50,600
sorry I wasn't hit he didn't hit the

4812
03:33:48,319 --> 03:33:52,880
mute button fast enough wetstone okay

4813
03:33:50,600 --> 03:33:54,680
thank you councelor wetstone it's been

4814
03:33:52,880 --> 03:33:57,239
moved and

4815
03:33:54,680 --> 03:33:58,479
seconded uh I think it's clear fairly

4816
03:33:57,239 --> 03:34:02,479
clear I'm going to call the question all

4817
03:33:58,479 --> 03:34:06,000
those in favor I I those

4818
03:34:02,479 --> 03:34:08,800
opposed hearing none motion carries I

4819
03:34:06,000 --> 03:34:13,760
did add a fourth bullet point that the

4820
03:34:08,800 --> 03:34:15,319
uh septage fee be updated to uh better

4821
03:34:13,760 --> 03:34:18,120
cover the cost now what's the word that

4822
03:34:15,319 --> 03:34:21,040
you asked for sir uh councelor cost

4823
03:34:18,120 --> 03:34:23,319
recovery full cost

4824
03:34:21,040 --> 03:34:25,359
recovery that that that be the fourth

4825
03:34:23,319 --> 03:34:27,319
motion is that okay with chander because

4826
03:34:25,359 --> 03:34:30,239
it wasn't in the public is it close

4827
03:34:27,319 --> 03:34:33,239
enough for the intent though of the

4828
03:34:30,239 --> 03:34:36,239
discussion if I could just repeat it was

4829
03:34:33,239 --> 03:34:39,319
um that septic discharge fees must cover

4830
03:34:36,239 --> 03:34:41,479
the cost of discharge be be updated to

4831
03:34:39,319 --> 03:34:44,479
cover to have full cost

4832
03:34:41,479 --> 03:34:46,880
recovery mayor yes would you uh

4833
03:34:44,479 --> 03:34:49,439
considering that bullet including the

4834
03:34:46,880 --> 03:34:52,239
4,000 specify including the

4835
03:34:49,439 --> 03:34:56,239
$4,000 uh for the

4836
03:34:52,239 --> 03:34:58,279
ecas like just make it specific full

4837
03:34:56,239 --> 03:34:59,439
cost recovery in in this is including

4838
03:34:58,279 --> 03:35:01,479
you know what I

4839
03:34:59,439 --> 03:35:04,600
mean you don't have to but that that

4840
03:35:01,479 --> 03:35:07,319
would specify that we're not planning to

4841
03:35:04,600 --> 03:35:11,399
to bill the sewage people that have

4842
03:35:07,319 --> 03:35:14,199
sewers for this you know what I'm saying

4843
03:35:11,399 --> 03:35:17,479
yeah Dave is that okay with

4844
03:35:14,199 --> 03:35:19,359
that yeah okay I think the intent is

4845
03:35:17,479 --> 03:35:21,160
there yeah I would have it would have

4846
03:35:19,359 --> 03:35:23,239
been included anyways but I'm I'm okay

4847
03:35:21,160 --> 03:35:25,319
with the verbage being added you miss

4848
03:35:23,239 --> 03:35:28,040
thank you I I didn't real I didn't

4849
03:35:25,319 --> 03:35:29,560
didn't totally grasp that thank you but

4850
03:35:28,040 --> 03:35:31,120
it's a good point we're we're driving

4851
03:35:29,560 --> 03:35:33,520
the point home we don't we want this

4852
03:35:31,120 --> 03:35:35,720
paid back as soon as possible and and uh

4853
03:35:33,520 --> 03:35:39,399
and and actually make some money for the

4854
03:35:35,720 --> 03:35:43,199
Kitty uh for sure okay so is that clear

4855
03:35:39,399 --> 03:35:45,160
enough updated to cover to full cost

4856
03:35:43,199 --> 03:35:46,560
recovery is that close enough you can

4857
03:35:45,160 --> 03:35:49,800
work with the

4858
03:35:46,560 --> 03:35:51,880
yes okay and and Council understands the

4859
03:35:49,800 --> 03:35:53,880
intent okay I'm going to is there a move

4860
03:35:51,880 --> 03:35:54,720
or secutive for that Council Walden

4861
03:35:53,880 --> 03:35:57,359
would

4862
03:35:54,720 --> 03:36:01,120
move Walden councelor Harris you

4863
03:35:57,359 --> 03:36:03,640
seconding why not thank you Mr Mayor for

4864
03:36:01,120 --> 03:36:06,120
discussion yes um I'd just like to say

4865
03:36:03,640 --> 03:36:07,720
thank you very much uh Mr ker for your

4866
03:36:06,120 --> 03:36:08,920
work on this we're not trying to give

4867
03:36:07,720 --> 03:36:11,160
you a hard time we're just trying to

4868
03:36:08,920 --> 03:36:12,720
make it work no that's not a problem at

4869
03:36:11,160 --> 03:36:14,319
all I don't I don't take it as you

4870
03:36:12,720 --> 03:36:16,600
giving me a hard time I take it as

4871
03:36:14,319 --> 03:36:19,760
valuable input so not a problem at all

4872
03:36:16,600 --> 03:36:21,800
thank you okay thank you I'm going to

4873
03:36:19,760 --> 03:36:28,439
call the question all those in favor say

4874
03:36:21,800 --> 03:36:28,439
I I I any opposed hearing none motion

4875
03:36:28,680 --> 03:36:34,800
carries uh is that all for your tonight

4876
03:36:32,399 --> 03:36:36,880
Mr I think that's it for me you don't

4877
03:36:34,800 --> 03:36:40,680
want to add anything yet I'm I'm good

4878
03:36:36,880 --> 03:36:43,080
right now okay thank you thank you um

4879
03:36:40,680 --> 03:36:46,080
Fleet Surplus Zurich

4880
03:36:43,080 --> 03:36:50,560
Olympia Jeff are you there hi am good

4881
03:36:46,080 --> 03:36:52,720
evening Council um Council we we've read

4882
03:36:50,560 --> 03:36:53,920
the report is there anything you wish to

4883
03:36:52,720 --> 03:36:56,520
add to it because there's a

4884
03:36:53,920 --> 03:36:59,120
recommendation here that we uh make it a

4885
03:36:56,520 --> 03:37:00,720
surplus um in the essence of time are

4886
03:36:59,120 --> 03:37:02,920
you I hope you're not

4887
03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:05,760
insulted not at all there's nothing you

4888
03:37:02,920 --> 03:37:07,680
needed to add here nope I'm gonna I'm

4889
03:37:05,760 --> 03:37:09,359
gonna ask is there a the recommendation

4890
03:37:07,680 --> 03:37:11,640
is there a moving or a second for this

4891
03:37:09,359 --> 03:37:14,520
moved councelor Walden seconded by

4892
03:37:11,640 --> 03:37:16,800
councelor vanenburg any

4893
03:37:14,520 --> 03:37:20,319
discussion all those in favor of the

4894
03:37:16,800 --> 03:37:25,359
recommendation please say I I any

4895
03:37:20,319 --> 03:37:28,640
opposed motion carries council chambers

4896
03:37:25,359 --> 03:37:30,840
update um is there anything you wish to

4897
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:32,399
add to the report I know Council spent a

4898
03:37:30,840 --> 03:37:35,560
lot of time reading this stuff like they

4899
03:37:32,399 --> 03:37:40,160
always do but is there anything

4900
03:37:35,560 --> 03:37:41,720
uh yeah um so we had just had made um a

4901
03:37:40,160 --> 03:37:43,319
recommendation that we would not move

4902
03:37:41,720 --> 03:37:45,520
forward with the painting and carpeting

4903
03:37:43,319 --> 03:37:47,960
of council chambers but we've identified

4904
03:37:45,520 --> 03:37:49,880
money in the budget this year from an

4905
03:37:47,960 --> 03:37:53,279
operational standpoint which means that

4906
03:37:49,880 --> 03:37:56,920
we could uh in fact get painting done of

4907
03:37:53,279 --> 03:37:59,600
the council chambers gallery and kitchen

4908
03:37:56,920 --> 03:38:02,840
area and it would be uh underneath a

4909
03:37:59,600 --> 03:38:06,160
$7,000 limit that we've

4910
03:38:02,840 --> 03:38:09,000
got okay now keep in mind that last

4911
03:38:06,160 --> 03:38:11,120
year's budget we we said you know we're

4912
03:38:09,000 --> 03:38:13,880
there was recommended to do all of it

4913
03:38:11,120 --> 03:38:17,080
but the council and keeping in mind that

4914
03:38:13,880 --> 03:38:20,960
the taxpayers said let's do it uh one at

4915
03:38:17,080 --> 03:38:23,680
a time so we put in the budget to do the

4916
03:38:20,960 --> 03:38:26,160
offices in Zurich yeah and as and as as

4917
03:38:23,680 --> 03:38:29,239
pointed out because Co I guess maybe in

4918
03:38:26,160 --> 03:38:31,199
one way uh had a positive for this

4919
03:38:29,239 --> 03:38:33,120
because the staff if I if I understand

4920
03:38:31,199 --> 03:38:34,920
this right we're able to do a lot of the

4921
03:38:33,120 --> 03:38:36,319
work and of course but the people not

4922
03:38:34,920 --> 03:38:38,479
being in the office they probably even

4923
03:38:36,319 --> 03:38:41,199
made some time and this time has

4924
03:38:38,479 --> 03:38:43,760
reflected in some savings and

4925
03:38:41,199 --> 03:38:45,960
so rightfully we were figuring on doing

4926
03:38:43,760 --> 03:38:47,800
it in this coming budget

4927
03:38:45,960 --> 03:38:50,479
uh it looks like we're going able to do

4928
03:38:47,800 --> 03:38:52,279
this and and um get a lot of it done and

4929
03:38:50,479 --> 03:38:54,439
not and not we'll have free up some

4930
03:38:52,279 --> 03:38:56,680
money for this upcoming budget for other

4931
03:38:54,439 --> 03:38:59,080
things is that a fair statement that's

4932
03:38:56,680 --> 03:39:01,960
correct thank you is there a motion for

4933
03:38:59,080 --> 03:39:04,160
this recommendation Council W would move

4934
03:39:01,960 --> 03:39:06,800
councelor Walden is there a

4935
03:39:04,160 --> 03:39:09,040
second councelor

4936
03:39:06,800 --> 03:39:10,600
vanenburg is everyone clear on the

4937
03:39:09,040 --> 03:39:13,239
motion and the

4938
03:39:10,600 --> 03:39:17,359
intent I'm going to call the question

4939
03:39:13,239 --> 03:39:17,359
all those in favor of the recommendation

4940
03:39:17,399 --> 03:39:21,239
any

4941
03:39:18,800 --> 03:39:22,840
opposed hearing none motion carries and

4942
03:39:21,239 --> 03:39:25,359
I just want to say also to the staff

4943
03:39:22,840 --> 03:39:28,279
thank you for for uh you know doing the

4944
03:39:25,359 --> 03:39:29,760
job but also and taking the initiative

4945
03:39:28,279 --> 03:39:32,000
and make and bringing forth this

4946
03:39:29,760 --> 03:39:34,199
recommendation to council I think that

4947
03:39:32,000 --> 03:39:36,520
bodess well on all of us and uh it does

4948
03:39:34,199 --> 03:39:42,000
not go unnoticed thank

4949
03:39:36,520 --> 03:39:45,640
you uh the second Point uh is the uh

4950
03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:46,439
resilience infrastructure correct

4951
03:39:45,640 --> 03:39:49,359
and

4952
03:39:46,439 --> 03:39:54,080
that's our

4953
03:39:49,359 --> 03:39:55,800
CEO well is she still there yes yes I am

4954
03:39:54,080 --> 03:39:58,439
thank you and uh it must be a sign of a

4955
03:39:55,800 --> 03:40:00,600
great Council that managers compete to

4956
03:39:58,439 --> 03:40:02,399
do Council reports to present before you

4957
03:40:00,600 --> 03:40:04,640
it was originally going to be mine but

4958
03:40:02,399 --> 03:40:06,760
the treasure beat me to it so I'd like

4959
03:40:04,640 --> 03:40:10,319
to defer to her since she did write it

4960
03:40:06,760 --> 03:40:13,399
so okay thank you uh I appreciate all

4961
03:40:10,319 --> 03:40:16,760
the staff sticking around by the

4962
03:40:13,399 --> 03:40:20,520
way okay um I get answorth is this who's

4963
03:40:16,760 --> 03:40:22,800
going to be yep I can I can uh feel the

4964
03:40:20,520 --> 03:40:25,199
report um basically we've set out in

4965
03:40:22,800 --> 03:40:28,239
front of you the options uh staff were

4966
03:40:25,199 --> 03:40:31,120
directed to come up with a A list of

4967
03:40:28,239 --> 03:40:34,000
projects and Council gets to make the

4968
03:40:31,120 --> 03:40:36,680
tough decision as to which one uh you

4969
03:40:34,000 --> 03:40:39,680
want us to select and fully cost and

4970
03:40:36,680 --> 03:40:42,680
enter into the system by December 21st

4971
03:40:39,680 --> 03:40:45,800
to be for the

4972
03:40:42,680 --> 03:40:48,040
funding okay

4973
03:40:45,800 --> 03:40:51,640
counselors there's

4974
03:40:48,040 --> 03:40:55,120
uh people brought in some ideas and a

4975
03:40:51,640 --> 03:40:56,920
combination of things is there anyone to

4976
03:40:55,120 --> 03:40:59,399
get things moving along is there anyone

4977
03:40:56,920 --> 03:41:00,760
wish to make a a motion or or anything

4978
03:40:59,399 --> 03:41:03,880
councelor

4979
03:41:00,760 --> 03:41:05,800
Walden yes please Mr Mayor yes if we

4980
03:41:03,880 --> 03:41:06,760
could rule rule it down to number four

4981
03:41:05,800 --> 03:41:10,680
more

4982
03:41:06,760 --> 03:41:12,840
Court um and the just that says

4983
03:41:10,680 --> 03:41:16,160
77,000 but total of

4984
03:41:12,840 --> 03:41:17,479
93 that one there uh also we also

4985
03:41:16,160 --> 03:41:19,920
discussed it could be some Bridge work

4986
03:41:17,479 --> 03:41:22,040
or some extra drain work done possibly

4987
03:41:19,920 --> 03:41:23,000
with some of this money I don't know if

4988
03:41:22,040 --> 03:41:25,439
that's

4989
03:41:23,000 --> 03:41:30,359
possible but uh I'd like to make a

4990
03:41:25,439 --> 03:41:33,760
motion for more Court oh okay so we have

4991
03:41:30,359 --> 03:41:36,880
a motion to do more Court then if I may

4992
03:41:33,760 --> 03:41:41,720
Mr Mayor my logic is that uh I believe

4993
03:41:36,880 --> 03:41:43,239
we we passed it on budget this year and

4994
03:41:41,720 --> 03:41:47,880
then when we allocated

4995
03:41:43,239 --> 03:41:50,319
our Bridge uh reserve and Road funds to

4996
03:41:47,880 --> 03:41:52,720
a different project $419,000 went work

4997
03:41:50,319 --> 03:41:54,399
Court also was bypassed again so this is

4998
03:41:52,720 --> 03:41:57,159
the the third time that I'm just trying

4999
03:41:54,399 --> 03:42:00,840
to make a an acknowledgement that this

5000
03:41:57,159 --> 03:42:03,560
needs to be done and we have potential

5001
03:42:00,840 --> 03:42:05,960
funds okay uh since there's been a

5002
03:42:03,560 --> 03:42:08,479
motion I need someone to Second it for

5003
03:42:05,960 --> 03:42:10,720
discussion uh is there someone wishing

5004
03:42:08,479 --> 03:42:13,199
to make it councelor venberg are you

5005
03:42:10,720 --> 03:42:16,680
second it yes I'll second it if I can

5006
03:42:13,199 --> 03:42:18,720
make comment too on it okay thank you uh

5007
03:42:16,680 --> 03:42:20,319
for those are you getting background

5008
03:42:18,720 --> 03:42:22,479
noise out that that aren't at the

5009
03:42:20,319 --> 03:42:25,680
meeting here because the fan came on so

5010
03:42:22,479 --> 03:42:28,800
if I'm I I'm not trying to ignore anyone

5011
03:42:25,680 --> 03:42:31,640
it's a little harder to hear so so bear

5012
03:42:28,800 --> 03:42:34,120
with me okay uh it's been moved and

5013
03:42:31,640 --> 03:42:38,239
seconded councelor venberg you wish to

5014
03:42:34,120 --> 03:42:40,640
speak yep thank you mayor

5015
03:42:38,239 --> 03:42:42,239
and we're we're caught we're we're all

5016
03:42:40,640 --> 03:42:44,080
caught in a hard place I mean there

5017
03:42:42,239 --> 03:42:46,159
there's nine items here we've got a

5018
03:42:44,080 --> 03:42:49,159
tight deadline

5019
03:42:46,159 --> 03:42:53,399
uh to to make these choices and and

5020
03:42:49,159 --> 03:42:57,760
they're all valid uh um selections as

5021
03:42:53,399 --> 03:43:00,359
well but um just to add in I I did put

5022
03:42:57,760 --> 03:43:01,680
in the request for Mo Court uh it did

5023
03:43:00,359 --> 03:43:06,439
come

5024
03:43:01,680 --> 03:43:09,000
before council at budget time and uh at

5025
03:43:06,439 --> 03:43:11,880
that time it was uh defeated and and

5026
03:43:09,000 --> 03:43:14,239
that's that's the way it is and it was

5027
03:43:11,880 --> 03:43:16,040
also to do with the it would put I

5028
03:43:14,239 --> 03:43:19,520
believe an ex

5029
03:43:16,040 --> 03:43:20,560
levy on the uh the residents as well but

5030
03:43:19,520 --> 03:43:24,800
shortly

5031
03:43:20,560 --> 03:43:29,000
after uh our our budget had passed and

5032
03:43:24,800 --> 03:43:31,239
Mr kuster could maybe correctly uh maybe

5033
03:43:29,000 --> 03:43:35,319
two weeks later three weeks later we had

5034
03:43:31,239 --> 03:43:39,960
the road uh asset uh management report

5035
03:43:35,319 --> 03:43:40,840
that came out and uh for more Court it

5036
03:43:39,960 --> 03:43:43,800
was

5037
03:43:40,840 --> 03:43:47,399
rated the worst paved Road and I say

5038
03:43:43,800 --> 03:43:49,880
paved Road in the municipalities so

5039
03:43:47,399 --> 03:43:53,800
there is an urgency to get that repaired

5040
03:43:49,880 --> 03:43:57,840
it is a an asset and uh I hate to see

5041
03:43:53,800 --> 03:44:02,000
see it being uh Ro not being maintained

5042
03:43:57,840 --> 03:44:05,040
properly so that's why I put it back um

5043
03:44:02,000 --> 03:44:06,800
into this uh request or into this fund

5044
03:44:05,040 --> 03:44:10,520
for your

5045
03:44:06,800 --> 03:44:13,080
consideration okay thank you further

5046
03:44:10,520 --> 03:44:15,920
comments questions counc Mr Mars

5047
03:44:13,080 --> 03:44:17,880
councelor Harris councel Harris yeah and

5048
03:44:15,920 --> 03:44:19,760
I agree with ccer vanderberg everybody's

5049
03:44:17,880 --> 03:44:22,279
stuck between a rock and a hard place

5050
03:44:19,760 --> 03:44:24,560
when there's nine selections and I was

5051
03:44:22,279 --> 03:44:26,239
when I first read it I was concerned on

5052
03:44:24,560 --> 03:44:28,359
how this was going to be approached to

5053
03:44:26,239 --> 03:44:30,479
be honest with you uh because there's

5054
03:44:28,359 --> 03:44:32,199
multiple things here that I think the

5055
03:44:30,479 --> 03:44:35,880
money should go towards and I'm not sure

5056
03:44:32,199 --> 03:44:38,120
how you just pick one of nine um if you

5057
03:44:35,880 --> 03:44:42,040
want to talk assets number nine being

5058
03:44:38,120 --> 03:44:43,960
the HV HC units in h both Arenas in

5059
03:44:42,040 --> 03:44:46,920
Zurich and Hensel Zurich being three and

5060
03:44:43,960 --> 03:44:48,960
one in Hensel um that's an asset that I

5061
03:44:46,920 --> 03:44:50,960
mean if you could get paid for that's

5062
03:44:48,960 --> 03:44:55,080
something that could last another 10 to

5063
03:44:50,960 --> 03:44:56,760
15 years I mean how do we pick one like

5064
03:44:55,080 --> 03:44:59,000
I don't understand like I understand

5065
03:44:56,760 --> 03:45:01,040
there's a motion out there and if I say

5066
03:44:59,000 --> 03:45:03,359
Nate then it goes to the next counselor

5067
03:45:01,040 --> 03:45:05,800
and he picks his and then it gets

5068
03:45:03,359 --> 03:45:09,560
seconded and then it gets denied like

5069
03:45:05,800 --> 03:45:12,680
how does this work well yeah

5070
03:45:09,560 --> 03:45:14,479
um the government came forth I guess the

5071
03:45:12,680 --> 03:45:15,960
good news was the government through

5072
03:45:14,479 --> 03:45:18,640
covid

5073
03:45:15,960 --> 03:45:20,399
uh and if I I understand there wasn't

5074
03:45:18,640 --> 03:45:22,479
every municipality got this maybe some

5075
03:45:20,399 --> 03:45:24,359
got more I don't know they they threw

5076
03:45:22,479 --> 03:45:27,399
this special they threw it I shouldn't

5077
03:45:24,359 --> 03:45:30,960
say Throw they put forth this

5078
03:45:27,399 --> 03:45:34,040
$100,000 that a number of municipalities

5079
03:45:30,960 --> 03:45:36,600
got it it's 100,000 it wasn't you know

5080
03:45:34,040 --> 03:45:40,120
300,000 or whatever it's still a chunk

5081
03:45:36,600 --> 03:45:42,080
of change H the criteria was as you see

5082
03:45:40,120 --> 03:45:45,560
they wanted it sort of spent on

5083
03:45:42,080 --> 03:45:47,680
something and that was tangible

5084
03:45:45,560 --> 03:45:49,319
not engineering they didn't want a lot

5085
03:45:47,680 --> 03:45:51,279
of engineering fees they were pretty

5086
03:45:49,319 --> 03:45:54,439
clear about that and a few things so

5087
03:45:51,279 --> 03:45:56,080
you're right we we we it's a lot of

5088
03:45:54,439 --> 03:45:58,080
money but it isn't a lot of money to do

5089
03:45:56,080 --> 03:46:03,040
some things

5090
03:45:58,080 --> 03:46:05,680
so we we threw it out people did make uh

5091
03:46:03,040 --> 03:46:08,680
ideas that came around this the staff

5092
03:46:05,680 --> 03:46:10,600
had some ideas too and uh and this is

5093
03:46:08,680 --> 03:46:12,920
what we ended up with at some point

5094
03:46:10,600 --> 03:46:14,520
though we do have to make a decision and

5095
03:46:12,920 --> 03:46:17,000
and the only way we do it is through

5096
03:46:14,520 --> 03:46:22,199
motion and there's a motion here right

5097
03:46:17,000 --> 03:46:24,000
now um and U we'll see where it goes uh

5098
03:46:22,199 --> 03:46:27,319
so I don't know where it'll go but we'll

5099
03:46:24,000 --> 03:46:30,600
we'll we'll just this is how it works so

5100
03:46:27,319 --> 03:46:32,840
Mr counselor yeah if I

5101
03:46:30,600 --> 03:46:35,800
could yes go

5102
03:46:32,840 --> 03:46:37,520
ahead councelor wetstone I think yeah if

5103
03:46:35,800 --> 03:46:41,760
I can and I think and I'm I'm not sure

5104
03:46:37,520 --> 03:46:45,600
if if I'm listening to councelor Harris

5105
03:46:41,760 --> 03:46:47,159
differently I'm I'm looking at it as

5106
03:46:45,600 --> 03:46:48,479
who put their hand up first to make the

5107
03:46:47,159 --> 03:46:50,680
motion

5108
03:46:48,479 --> 03:46:52,880
first that's not the way this should

5109
03:46:50,680 --> 03:46:55,080
have been done this should have been we

5110
03:46:52,880 --> 03:46:57,040
should have talked about ones and not

5111
03:46:55,080 --> 03:46:58,319
just made a motion and now we're now

5112
03:46:57,040 --> 03:47:00,359
we're just going to keep defeating

5113
03:46:58,319 --> 03:47:02,319
everything until somebody gets what they

5114
03:47:00,359 --> 03:47:03,800
want you know at the end of the day it

5115
03:47:02,319 --> 03:47:06,359
seems like we're just rushing into it to

5116
03:47:03,800 --> 03:47:08,359
get it done more than anything else

5117
03:47:06,359 --> 03:47:11,520
because to be honest we have a Paving

5118
03:47:08,359 --> 03:47:14,080
policy I'm not supporting Mo Court not

5119
03:47:11,520 --> 03:47:15,359
because I think the one in Bayfield is

5120
03:47:14,080 --> 03:47:16,520
the right one

5121
03:47:15,359 --> 03:47:18,359
I believe there's another one that's

5122
03:47:16,520 --> 03:47:22,319
more

5123
03:47:18,359 --> 03:47:24,520
important Mr Mayor may make a comment Y

5124
03:47:22,319 --> 03:47:29,399
uh Mr may my Logic for supporting more

5125
03:47:24,520 --> 03:47:31,880
court is that it was in uh dire shape

5126
03:47:29,399 --> 03:47:34,239
this year at budget time and it was

5127
03:47:31,880 --> 03:47:37,359
defeated at budget and we had other

5128
03:47:34,239 --> 03:47:39,920
Reserve funds and we didn't look at work

5129
03:47:37,359 --> 03:47:41,439
court at that time and this is a road

5130
03:47:39,920 --> 03:47:43,000
that really does need work it's

5131
03:47:41,439 --> 03:47:46,960
something that has been identified in

5132
03:47:43,000 --> 03:47:48,520
the past it's not just a new idea and uh

5133
03:47:46,960 --> 03:47:51,080
it's something that we could complete as

5134
03:47:48,520 --> 03:47:53,359
a as municipality and and say hey we did

5135
03:47:51,080 --> 03:47:56,680
that and that's that was my logic in and

5136
03:47:53,359 --> 03:47:56,680
nominating that particular

5137
03:47:59,399 --> 03:48:04,520
project

5138
03:48:01,199 --> 03:48:06,600
okay any

5139
03:48:04,520 --> 03:48:07,960
what the motion's out there we have to

5140
03:48:06,600 --> 03:48:10,080
vote on it one way or the other now

5141
03:48:07,960 --> 03:48:13,800
right

5142
03:48:10,080 --> 03:48:16,239
so well from my understanding of how how

5143
03:48:13,800 --> 03:48:18,880
it works

5144
03:48:16,239 --> 03:48:22,359
yes uh but

5145
03:48:18,880 --> 03:48:24,399
I I uh I I don't want also all of us as

5146
03:48:22,359 --> 03:48:27,560
counselors to

5147
03:48:24,399 --> 03:48:29,399
get um feeling that we're going to get

5148
03:48:27,560 --> 03:48:32,479
uh at each other if I can say it that

5149
03:48:29,399 --> 03:48:34,239
way as a chair no no that is that is

5150
03:48:32,479 --> 03:48:36,080
that that was almost I almost wanted

5151
03:48:34,239 --> 03:48:38,120
this 100,000 we didn't get it quite

5152
03:48:36,080 --> 03:48:39,600
frankly about it if you want to know

5153
03:48:38,120 --> 03:48:41,279
when I seen why why is the government

5154
03:48:39,600 --> 03:48:43,520
doing this but at the same time I think

5155
03:48:41,279 --> 03:48:45,960
you'd all want to kick somebody if if I

5156
03:48:43,520 --> 03:48:48,279
would have said to the to to the to the

5157
03:48:45,960 --> 03:48:50,319
um Member of Parliament here which she

5158
03:48:48,279 --> 03:48:52,040
uh emailed me and phoned me to say this

5159
03:48:50,319 --> 03:48:53,960
just was announced please get it on your

5160
03:48:52,040 --> 03:48:56,479
table because they're gonna pull it and

5161
03:48:53,960 --> 03:48:59,800
I I could have I almost said you know

5162
03:48:56,479 --> 03:49:02,680
Jeepers so let's just keep that in mind

5163
03:48:59,800 --> 03:49:04,680
I I I accept the responsibility put it

5164
03:49:02,680 --> 03:49:08,040
on me that I accepted a motion of a

5165
03:49:04,680 --> 03:49:09,840
counselor Okay I accept that all right

5166
03:49:08,040 --> 03:49:11,600
but don't I don't want you guys all get

5167
03:49:09,840 --> 03:49:13,640
mad at each other no no that's not the

5168
03:49:11,600 --> 03:49:15,439
case that's not the case I I appreciate

5169
03:49:13,640 --> 03:49:18,040
but I needed to say it

5170
03:49:15,439 --> 03:49:20,640
for my own news yes can I just make a

5171
03:49:18,040 --> 03:49:22,319
note procedurally um so yes the motion

5172
03:49:20,640 --> 03:49:24,000
has been moved and seconded and it's in

5173
03:49:22,319 --> 03:49:26,560
the possession of council right now but

5174
03:49:24,000 --> 03:49:28,439
if the Mover and the seconder agree um

5175
03:49:26,560 --> 03:49:30,279
it can be withdrawn if there are no

5176
03:49:28,439 --> 03:49:33,399
objections of any other members that's

5177
03:49:30,279 --> 03:49:35,159
always an option oh thank thank you for

5178
03:49:33,399 --> 03:49:39,040
thank you for that clarification

5179
03:49:35,159 --> 03:49:41,399
appreciate that and Mr Mayor if I can on

5180
03:49:39,040 --> 03:49:43,479
celer Weston's comments he's absolutely

5181
03:49:41,399 --> 03:49:46,080
right like I mean there's roads and

5182
03:49:43,479 --> 03:49:48,560
Hensel that one in particular that has

5183
03:49:46,080 --> 03:49:50,560
been in I hear about every day yeah but

5184
03:49:48,560 --> 03:49:53,880
I mean it's that that that's the the pro

5185
03:49:50,560 --> 03:49:55,319
we have a Paving policy a Paving process

5186
03:49:53,880 --> 03:49:57,159
the other road that got turned down in

5187
03:49:55,319 --> 03:49:59,199
budget was babyon line and I'm not sure

5188
03:49:57,159 --> 03:50:03,439
how many times you driven down it but

5189
03:49:59,199 --> 03:50:05,359
it's in dialect too I mean no B Babylon

5190
03:50:03,439 --> 03:50:06,399
we actually did what we did with our p

5191
03:50:05,359 --> 03:50:09,600
with our

5192
03:50:06,399 --> 03:50:12,439
housing with our U we did the same thing

5193
03:50:09,600 --> 03:50:14,760
we put enough in so that this year the

5194
03:50:12,439 --> 03:50:17,439
other half comes in and then the road

5195
03:50:14,760 --> 03:50:19,560
will be that that will be paved that's

5196
03:50:17,439 --> 03:50:22,000
how we did that and one of the reasons

5197
03:50:19,560 --> 03:50:25,600
we did that was because in Hensel when

5198
03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:28,040
we had to do pipe work we all agreed

5199
03:50:25,600 --> 03:50:29,800
that you know what that road when you're

5200
03:50:28,040 --> 03:50:32,080
ripping up the pipe to put a little bit

5201
03:50:29,800 --> 03:50:34,680
of cement we might as well fix that and

5202
03:50:32,080 --> 03:50:37,319
we put the money towards that the road

5203
03:50:34,680 --> 03:50:39,760
that you're referring to uh which is in

5204
03:50:37,319 --> 03:50:42,920
front of the uh if it's what I think it

5205
03:50:39,760 --> 03:50:45,000
is the post office um I've already uh

5206
03:50:42,920 --> 03:50:46,840
double checked with well is you know

5207
03:50:45,000 --> 03:50:49,439
part of the discussion when when the

5208
03:50:46,840 --> 03:50:51,880
Hensel Co-op came up with the idea of

5209
03:50:49,439 --> 03:50:53,840
wanting to take over part of the road uh

5210
03:50:51,880 --> 03:50:55,600
part of it for me I think probably for

5211
03:50:53,840 --> 03:50:57,600
most of you that had the discussion or

5212
03:50:55,600 --> 03:50:59,960
at least with the back of your mind if

5213
03:50:57,600 --> 03:51:01,399
they get it as is we've just saved the

5214
03:50:59,960 --> 03:51:03,720
ability for the rest of that road to

5215
03:51:01,399 --> 03:51:05,720
help in the budget process to get paved

5216
03:51:03,720 --> 03:51:08,359
because we're we're missing how many

5217
03:51:05,720 --> 03:51:10,600
feet at the other end um and I did

5218
03:51:08,359 --> 03:51:13,399
double check as part of this

5219
03:51:10,600 --> 03:51:16,720
discussion with and Dave uh might

5220
03:51:13,399 --> 03:51:20,399
remember I was why I called about about

5221
03:51:16,720 --> 03:51:22,159
when is the main street of Hensel which

5222
03:51:20,399 --> 03:51:24,640
is part of the county which will be

5223
03:51:22,159 --> 03:51:27,279
count of your county budget uh is going

5224
03:51:24,640 --> 03:51:30,040
to be up for Renewal and ripped up and

5225
03:51:27,279 --> 03:51:32,479
redone it sure makes sense at that point

5226
03:51:30,040 --> 03:51:34,840
to have it in the budget and and no

5227
03:51:32,479 --> 03:51:36,520
matter where we are in the priority list

5228
03:51:34,840 --> 03:51:40,120
it sure makes sense to have it that in

5229
03:51:36,520 --> 03:51:41,399
there now the the good news is I agreed

5230
03:51:40,120 --> 03:51:42,840
now of course Council would still have

5231
03:51:41,399 --> 03:51:45,399
to vote but I'd like to think that the

5232
03:51:42,840 --> 03:51:47,479
council with the same comment sense of

5233
03:51:45,399 --> 03:51:49,800
working together as a team that it makes

5234
03:51:47,479 --> 03:51:50,680
sense at those times uh but that won't

5235
03:51:49,800 --> 03:51:53,600
be till

5236
03:51:50,680 --> 03:51:56,199
2023 that that's happening and again

5237
03:51:53,600 --> 03:51:58,560
this 100,000 I'm not sure if the 100,000

5238
03:51:56,199 --> 03:52:03,040
would do the road properly again it's it

5239
03:51:58,560 --> 03:52:06,520
ashalt costs so dang much uh so um

5240
03:52:03,040 --> 03:52:09,120
anyway uh but that just to be fair and

5241
03:52:06,520 --> 03:52:11,479
yeah Mr may all I was saying was is not

5242
03:52:09,120 --> 03:52:13,560
that I wanted that money towards I was

5243
03:52:11,479 --> 03:52:15,319
saying that we have a PID process you

5244
03:52:13,560 --> 03:52:18,520
said it many times that was a process we

5245
03:52:15,319 --> 03:52:21,439
have a process right we also have a

5246
03:52:18,520 --> 03:52:23,359
process and then this came up and and I

5247
03:52:21,439 --> 03:52:26,000
I'm hearing some of the argument of my

5248
03:52:23,359 --> 03:52:28,239
two colleagues that you're hearing and

5249
03:52:26,000 --> 03:52:30,000
that's was their I take him at their

5250
03:52:28,239 --> 03:52:32,640
word was their intent of why they they

5251
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:37,359
thought of it anyway

5252
03:52:32,640 --> 03:52:41,319
um go ahead here yeah and and I'll I'll

5253
03:52:37,359 --> 03:52:43,720
go to uh Mr Walden if he wants to uh

5254
03:52:41,319 --> 03:52:47,159
take it off the floor I'm okay with that

5255
03:52:43,720 --> 03:52:50,520
know and we can go go through them all

5256
03:52:47,159 --> 03:52:52,359
uh I'm okay with that too so okay it

5257
03:52:50,520 --> 03:52:54,720
might be a a matter where we're g to

5258
03:52:52,359 --> 03:52:57,800
have to pick one out of the Hat then or

5259
03:52:54,720 --> 03:52:59,880
two out of the hat with a further

5260
03:52:57,800 --> 03:53:02,600
discussion on

5261
03:52:59,880 --> 03:53:05,520
matters I look to the direction of the

5262
03:53:02,600 --> 03:53:08,479
two counselors Mr Mayor uh as I said

5263
03:53:05,520 --> 03:53:10,800
before my my Logic on the motion I would

5264
03:53:08,479 --> 03:53:12,560
support a motion on any of these

5265
03:53:10,800 --> 03:53:15,359
projects this is the project that I

5266
03:53:12,560 --> 03:53:19,080
thought was most important that we could

5267
03:53:15,359 --> 03:53:21,000
achieve and uh the $100,000 is outside

5268
03:53:19,080 --> 03:53:23,120
of our policies if somebody handed us

5269
03:53:21,000 --> 03:53:25,319
$100,000 said here what can you do with

5270
03:53:23,120 --> 03:53:26,880
it this is why I made that motion so I'm

5271
03:53:25,319 --> 03:53:28,960
GNA leave the motion if it gets defeated

5272
03:53:26,880 --> 03:53:30,920
it gets defeated I understand it's not

5273
03:53:28,960 --> 03:53:34,920
about being first I think it's just the

5274
03:53:30,920 --> 03:53:39,439
recommendation that I had okay thank

5275
03:53:34,920 --> 03:53:41,840
you counselors um that uh is there any

5276
03:53:39,439 --> 03:53:41,840
further

5277
03:53:42,479 --> 03:53:47,520
discussion I will comment that uh with

5278
03:53:45,439 --> 03:53:49,439
regards to uh in know a valid point I

5279
03:53:47,520 --> 03:53:52,439
looked at they I looked at all of them I

5280
03:53:49,439 --> 03:53:54,239
thought they all for the most part well

5281
03:53:52,439 --> 03:53:55,520
Shoreline protection the Lakes up and

5282
03:53:54,239 --> 03:53:58,560
this is supposed to be sent within a

5283
03:53:55,520 --> 03:54:00,720
year I'm I appreciate I'm glad it got

5284
03:53:58,560 --> 03:54:02,960
ticked off to think about but yeah that

5285
03:54:00,720 --> 03:54:04,600
one I I got to admit that one I was not

5286
03:54:02,960 --> 03:54:08,120
on the idea that it's not a great idea

5287
03:54:04,600 --> 03:54:09,600
but I don't to fit they want this money

5288
03:54:08,120 --> 03:54:11,319
they would like this money that was part

5289
03:54:09,600 --> 03:54:14,199
of the criteria that it's be spent in

5290
03:54:11,319 --> 03:54:18,560
the coming year and be spent majority of

5291
03:54:14,199 --> 03:54:20,279
it on on hiring people to do labor um

5292
03:54:18,560 --> 03:54:22,760
Engineers are important but I guess they

5293
03:54:20,279 --> 03:54:24,840
thought they didn't want to be up all in

5294
03:54:22,760 --> 03:54:27,279
engineering fees at least that's what I

5295
03:54:24,840 --> 03:54:29,760
got the impression of when I look at U

5296
03:54:27,279 --> 03:54:32,399
so I will look at uh at the hvacs that

5297
03:54:29,760 --> 03:54:34,359
really got my attention too but as as

5298
03:54:32,399 --> 03:54:37,000
was pointed out we're talking a a maybe

5299
03:54:34,359 --> 03:54:38,680
10year life cycle when I'm looking at

5300
03:54:37,000 --> 03:54:41,199
something that I thought about this

5301
03:54:38,680 --> 03:54:43,479
100,000 it's something cander ashal

5302
03:54:41,199 --> 03:54:44,840
that's going to be 20 or 30 year

5303
03:54:43,479 --> 03:54:47,279
lifespan

5304
03:54:44,840 --> 03:54:49,520
and and get it off our table I was quite

5305
03:54:47,279 --> 03:54:51,720
frankly that the sidewalks I thought

5306
03:54:49,520 --> 03:54:53,840
might have been uh something that we put

5307
03:54:51,720 --> 03:54:56,080
20,000 in the budget for the first time

5308
03:54:53,840 --> 03:54:57,880
in a long time we we put that in the

5309
03:54:56,080 --> 03:54:59,840
budget but I thought well there you go

5310
03:54:57,880 --> 03:55:02,359
maybe that could help out some of them

5311
03:54:59,840 --> 03:55:04,840
but at the same

5312
03:55:02,359 --> 03:55:07,159
time a lot of these places like quite

5313
03:55:04,840 --> 03:55:08,800
frankly brucefield I think the residents

5314
03:55:07,159 --> 03:55:10,159
quite frankly and I agree with them I

5315
03:55:08,800 --> 03:55:12,040
think they would appreciate that we

5316
03:55:10,159 --> 03:55:15,159
start putting money away to pave the

5317
03:55:12,040 --> 03:55:19,840
lane so again the 100,000

5318
03:55:15,159 --> 03:55:21,600
um but uh so as I as I go through u i

5319
03:55:19,840 --> 03:55:23,239
there's a motion here is there any

5320
03:55:21,600 --> 03:55:25,760
further comments we'll call the question

5321
03:55:23,239 --> 03:55:27,640
and we'll and I appreciate the Mover and

5322
03:55:25,760 --> 03:55:29,319
the seconder in their uh in their

5323
03:55:27,640 --> 03:55:32,399
comments but we'll see what

5324
03:55:29,319 --> 03:55:34,479
happens Mr Mayor and I I if I'm not

5325
03:55:32,399 --> 03:55:36,439
going to support a motion I have to I

5326
03:55:34,479 --> 03:55:38,720
have to make it clear to the public and

5327
03:55:36,439 --> 03:55:40,199
Council why I'm not going to support it

5328
03:55:38,720 --> 03:55:42,840
because it is part of our asset

5329
03:55:40,199 --> 03:55:45,080
management plan uh if it's in that bad a

5330
03:55:42,840 --> 03:55:47,800
shape it should show up in the Ash

5331
03:55:45,080 --> 03:55:51,640
management replacement plan so I think

5332
03:55:47,800 --> 03:55:51,640
it'll get done when it's

5333
03:55:52,279 --> 03:55:58,680
appropriate okay that's why I just had

5334
03:55:54,920 --> 03:56:01,600
to make that clear no no very good uh is

5335
03:55:58,680 --> 03:56:05,640
there any other comments or

5336
03:56:01,600 --> 03:56:07,720
questions so the motion is uh to repay

5337
03:56:05,640 --> 03:56:12,760
more Court I'm going to call the

5338
03:56:07,720 --> 03:56:15,000
question all those in favor say I I I

5339
03:56:12,760 --> 03:56:18,880
all those against say

5340
03:56:15,000 --> 03:56:18,880
Nay n n

5341
03:56:19,479 --> 03:56:24,760
nay oh boy you guys are making it it's

5342
03:56:22,520 --> 03:56:26,960
hard to pick up here raise your hand

5343
03:56:24,760 --> 03:56:29,000
instead if it's easier right yeah that's

5344
03:56:26,960 --> 03:56:31,120
thank you counselor all those in favor

5345
03:56:29,000 --> 03:56:32,760
raise your hand now I I got a hit I'm

5346
03:56:31,120 --> 03:56:35,680
gonna have to have our because it's on

5347
03:56:32,760 --> 03:56:38,560
the book here uh where is our clerk can

5348
03:56:35,680 --> 03:56:40,279
you see everyone perhaps I can just um

5349
03:56:38,560 --> 03:56:44,279
go through the list of names and just do

5350
03:56:40,279 --> 03:56:47,399
an informal or not informal but just

5351
03:56:44,279 --> 03:56:52,520
respond when I say your name sure okay

5352
03:56:47,399 --> 03:56:54,760
so mayor yes you're in support of yep

5353
03:56:52,520 --> 03:56:56,520
Deputy Mayor

5354
03:56:54,760 --> 03:57:02,080
Ferguson

5355
03:56:56,520 --> 03:57:02,080
opposed opposed thank you councelor

5356
03:57:02,880 --> 03:57:07,720
Becker I didn't get that counselor

5357
03:57:09,840 --> 03:57:16,199
Becker I support the motion thank you

5358
03:57:12,800 --> 03:57:20,439
John uh councel Harris

5359
03:57:16,199 --> 03:57:25,279
opposed councelor uh vandenbberg

5360
03:57:20,439 --> 03:57:26,840
yes councelor Walden yes and councelor

5361
03:57:25,279 --> 03:57:30,040
wetstone

5362
03:57:26,840 --> 03:57:31,760
oppose it carries oh it does I thought

5363
03:57:30,040 --> 03:57:34,760
there's like four I was thinking there

5364
03:57:31,760 --> 03:57:37,600
was mayor CL councelor Becker councelor

5365
03:57:34,760 --> 03:57:39,159
venburg and councelor Walden in support

5366
03:57:37,600 --> 03:57:41,760
but there's two there's two counselors

5367
03:57:39,159 --> 03:57:45,040
not here right okay I I thought there

5368
03:57:41,760 --> 03:57:47,279
was only one beside me right okay

5369
03:57:45,040 --> 03:57:49,560
right so that motion carries that's

5370
03:57:47,279 --> 03:57:52,640
correct

5371
03:57:49,560 --> 03:57:54,159
okay so forward with filling in the

5372
03:57:52,640 --> 03:57:57,399
application and getting it submitted

5373
03:57:54,159 --> 03:57:59,640
before the 21st for the deadline okay

5374
03:57:57,399 --> 03:57:59,640
thank

5375
03:58:00,239 --> 03:58:04,120
you okay where are we at

5376
03:58:04,439 --> 03:58:10,319
now we're

5377
03:58:07,159 --> 03:58:15,439
at corporate

5378
03:58:10,319 --> 03:58:17,640
services corporate services 7.61

5379
03:58:15,439 --> 03:58:20,800
right Council the report is in front of

5380
03:58:17,640 --> 03:58:22,399
you um the recommendation is the council

5381
03:58:20,800 --> 03:58:24,680
approve the replacement of windows in

5382
03:58:22,399 --> 03:58:25,560
the front deck and painting oh was there

5383
03:58:24,680 --> 03:58:28,319
any

5384
03:58:25,560 --> 03:58:31,159
questions of 16 the square Sor I need a

5385
03:58:28,319 --> 03:58:31,159
a motion for the

5386
03:58:32,439 --> 03:58:37,840
recommendation councelor

5387
03:58:34,520 --> 03:58:40,520
wetstone is there a

5388
03:58:37,840 --> 03:58:43,159
seconder

5389
03:58:40,520 --> 03:58:45,359
backer any discussion I'm going to call

5390
03:58:43,159 --> 03:58:48,239
the question all those favor of the

5391
03:58:45,359 --> 03:58:52,159
recommendation I

5392
03:58:48,239 --> 03:58:54,720
iOS hearing none motion carries uh mayor

5393
03:58:52,159 --> 03:58:59,399
Klo I did just want to note that we need

5394
03:58:54,720 --> 03:59:01,920
a um a motion to move past four

5395
03:58:59,399 --> 03:59:07,880
hours we need a motion how far have we

5396
03:59:01,920 --> 03:59:07,880
got to go here um past four hours

5397
03:59:08,279 --> 03:59:14,239
okay walked into that one Deputy are you

5398
03:59:10,760 --> 03:59:17,000
making the motion or uh I guess are you

5399
03:59:14,239 --> 03:59:19,359
the motion so we can finish tonight I

5400
03:59:17,000 --> 03:59:21,800
try to redeem myself there is there a

5401
03:59:19,359 --> 03:59:24,239
Secor for the

5402
03:59:21,800 --> 03:59:26,479
motion

5403
03:59:24,239 --> 03:59:31,520
Secor councelor

5404
03:59:26,479 --> 03:59:33,760
Becker all those in favor I any opposed

5405
03:59:31,520 --> 03:59:37,319
none opposed we carry on till we get

5406
03:59:33,760 --> 03:59:39,520
done I hope all right thank you

5407
03:59:37,319 --> 03:59:44,239
um

5408
03:59:39,520 --> 03:59:45,920
7.61 we did 2021 draft budget

5409
03:59:44,239 --> 03:59:48,319
recommendation number one and there's

5410
03:59:45,920 --> 03:59:51,439
two recommendations that's

5411
03:59:48,319 --> 03:59:53,760
correct Council has read the report is

5412
03:59:51,439 --> 03:59:56,680
there any uh one prepared to make a

5413
03:59:53,760 --> 03:59:56,680
motion on the first

5414
04:00:01,080 --> 04:00:04,080
recommendation

5415
04:00:04,319 --> 04:00:11,000
anyone councelor

5416
04:00:07,439 --> 04:00:11,000
wetstone okay is there a

5417
04:00:11,439 --> 04:00:15,960
seconder wal second councelor Walden

5418
04:00:16,840 --> 04:00:22,279
any uh any questions on the budget draft

5419
04:00:20,319 --> 04:00:24,560
budget hearing none I'm going to call

5420
04:00:22,279 --> 04:00:28,640
the question all those in favor of the

5421
04:00:24,560 --> 04:00:28,640
recommendation I any

5422
04:00:28,960 --> 04:00:33,479
opposed I hearing none motion carries on

5423
04:00:31,720 --> 04:00:35,080
recommendation two the council

5424
04:00:33,479 --> 04:00:37,880
authorized staff to apply for a summer

5425
04:00:35,080 --> 04:00:41,600
student wage subsidy National

5426
04:00:37,880 --> 04:00:42,920
Trust so moved so moved so moved by

5427
04:00:41,600 --> 04:00:45,159
councelor

5428
04:00:42,920 --> 04:00:47,560
Walden

5429
04:00:45,159 --> 04:00:51,120
seconder councilor

5430
04:00:47,560 --> 04:00:52,960
vanenburg questions on the

5431
04:00:51,120 --> 04:00:55,120
recommendation

5432
04:00:52,960 --> 04:00:56,560
subsidy hearing none I'm going to call

5433
04:00:55,120 --> 04:01:01,479
the question all those in favor of

5434
04:00:56,560 --> 04:01:05,239
recommendation number two say I I any

5435
04:01:01,479 --> 04:01:10,640
opposed hearing none motion

5436
04:01:05,239 --> 04:01:13,359
carries proposed 20 21 meeting budget

5437
04:01:10,640 --> 04:01:14,920
schedule approve the 21 budget meeting

5438
04:01:13,359 --> 04:01:17,439
schedule

5439
04:01:14,920 --> 04:01:17,439
I'll move the

5440
04:01:20,640 --> 04:01:23,640
recommendation

5441
04:01:25,120 --> 04:01:28,520
okay is there a

5442
04:01:29,279 --> 04:01:33,800
seconder councelor bannenberg

5443
04:01:35,159 --> 04:01:40,720
discussion any discussion the dates are

5444
04:01:38,640 --> 04:01:41,760
there we'll try to all best we can

5445
04:01:40,720 --> 04:01:44,159
attend

5446
04:01:41,760 --> 04:01:45,840
them um I gather most of them will be

5447
04:01:44,159 --> 04:01:48,040
Zoom unless something changes

5448
04:01:45,840 --> 04:01:49,319
drastically so I'm assuming we're all

5449
04:01:48,040 --> 04:01:52,760
going to work from home just for the

5450
04:01:49,319 --> 04:01:53,880
record I don't see much point

5451
04:01:52,760 --> 04:01:57,479
[Music]

5452
04:01:53,880 --> 04:02:00,560
in Mr mayor council Becker why can't we

5453
04:01:57,479 --> 04:02:04,239
start in the morning and everybody's

5454
04:02:00,560 --> 04:02:07,319
fresh instead of starting at noon and

5455
04:02:04,239 --> 04:02:10,680
dragging out till 7 o' at night that's a

5456
04:02:07,319 --> 04:02:14,760
long day to sit there and look at

5457
04:02:10,680 --> 04:02:17,640
numbers some of us have to

5458
04:02:14,760 --> 04:02:19,159
work in the afternoon or in the evening

5459
04:02:17,640 --> 04:02:20,880
I know some people have to work during

5460
04:02:19,159 --> 04:02:23,439
the day too

5461
04:02:20,880 --> 04:02:25,000
but over the years I found that we do

5462
04:02:23,439 --> 04:02:29,800
our best

5463
04:02:25,000 --> 04:02:29,800
discussion in the mornings and up till

5464
04:02:32,279 --> 04:02:37,640
3:00 well I I guess if someone that been

5465
04:02:35,120 --> 04:02:40,080
is in the same business as you I I have

5466
04:02:37,640 --> 04:02:41,800
to juggle the chores at some point so

5467
04:02:40,080 --> 04:02:44,880
and distant

5468
04:02:41,800 --> 04:02:48,479
fairness but um

5469
04:02:44,880 --> 04:02:51,640
anyway uh this is the motion that's here

5470
04:02:48,479 --> 04:02:54,680
is uh it has been first and second it we

5471
04:02:51,640 --> 04:02:58,439
can have a if it's defeated we can or a

5472
04:02:54,680 --> 04:03:01,319
friendly Amendment I'm open to

5473
04:02:58,439 --> 04:03:04,279
suggestion just just my suggestion is

5474
04:03:01,319 --> 04:03:08,840
that I found that Council does a better

5475
04:03:04,279 --> 04:03:10,479
job getting things done by a 9 9:30

5476
04:03:08,840 --> 04:03:12,760
start in the morning till 3 in the

5477
04:03:10,479 --> 04:03:14,399
afternoon get more accomplished and

5478
04:03:12,760 --> 04:03:15,880
going late into an evening when

5479
04:03:14,399 --> 04:03:19,840
everybody's

5480
04:03:15,880 --> 04:03:22,600
tired and we got to respect your staff

5481
04:03:19,840 --> 04:03:25,640
too the second meeting is on a council

5482
04:03:22,600 --> 04:03:27,479
night you'll be leaving the zoom and

5483
04:03:25,640 --> 04:03:30,640
then going right into to a council

5484
04:03:27,479 --> 04:03:33,279
meeting within an hour and a

5485
04:03:30,640 --> 04:03:37,279
half the second meeting which one I'm

5486
04:03:33,279 --> 04:03:37,279
sorry I didn't catch that January the

5487
04:03:39,960 --> 04:03:43,960
18th oh I didn't real I didn't quite

5488
04:03:42,479 --> 04:03:47,159
sorry thank well I guess that's why are

5489
04:03:43,960 --> 04:03:50,279
there's nine of us to read these things

5490
04:03:47,159 --> 04:03:53,399
okay so we got to be wary wary of our

5491
04:03:50,279 --> 04:03:53,399
staff too that's what I'm

5492
04:03:53,800 --> 04:03:58,159
saying but if we start at 9: in the

5493
04:03:56,319 --> 04:04:03,159
morning with both meetings and get done

5494
04:03:58,159 --> 04:04:06,600
at 3 gives everybody time to unwind

5495
04:04:03,159 --> 04:04:08,199
and move forward to the next because we

5496
04:04:06,600 --> 04:04:11,120
got toble to absorb what's on the

5497
04:04:08,199 --> 04:04:11,120
council agenda

5498
04:04:11,279 --> 04:04:17,680
also if I may yes th this is staff's

5499
04:04:15,800 --> 04:04:19,159
recommendation if they were if they were

5500
04:04:17,680 --> 04:04:20,800
concerned about that they would come up

5501
04:04:19,159 --> 04:04:23,319
with a different recommendation it says

5502
04:04:20,800 --> 04:04:23,319
staff are

5503
04:04:27,040 --> 04:04:34,279
proposing okay

5504
04:04:30,399 --> 04:04:36,319
any well is there any other comments and

5505
04:04:34,279 --> 04:04:37,720
if not I'm going to call the question

5506
04:04:36,319 --> 04:04:39,840
and the question would be these are the

5507
04:04:37,720 --> 04:04:42,640
dates that we would be working with and

5508
04:04:39,840 --> 04:04:45,319
the times

5509
04:04:42,640 --> 04:04:46,800
so it's been first and second it so I

5510
04:04:45,319 --> 04:04:50,000
have to I'm gonna have to call the

5511
04:04:46,800 --> 04:04:51,760
question it's uh unless they

5512
04:04:50,000 --> 04:04:53,840
withdrawing I'm not hearing their

5513
04:04:51,760 --> 04:04:56,560
withdrawing so this I'm going to call

5514
04:04:53,840 --> 04:04:58,880
the question these are the meeting dates

5515
04:04:56,560 --> 04:05:00,800
for our U proposed meeting dates and

5516
04:04:58,880 --> 04:05:02,960
then and if we need more there going to

5517
04:05:00,800 --> 04:05:04,159
be more so don't keep that in mind too

5518
04:05:02,960 --> 04:05:07,080
but anyway these are the ones that we're

5519
04:05:04,159 --> 04:05:08,960
trying to work with G to call the

5520
04:05:07,080 --> 04:05:15,600
question all those in favor of these

5521
04:05:08,960 --> 04:05:15,600
dates say I I I any opposed

5522
04:05:16,159 --> 04:05:21,000
the eyes have

5523
04:05:17,520 --> 04:05:22,760
it and this is uh so these are the

5524
04:05:21,000 --> 04:05:26,560
carries

5525
04:05:22,760 --> 04:05:29,399
okay Community safety uh uh Wildwood has

5526
04:05:26,560 --> 04:05:32,319
been pulled for tonight 7.65 Community

5527
04:05:29,399 --> 04:05:35,239
safety and wellbeing Plan update there's

5528
04:05:32,319 --> 04:05:35,239
uh two

5529
04:05:35,359 --> 04:05:42,479
recommendations uh for

5530
04:05:38,479 --> 04:05:44,359
this uh the background you see but uh is

5531
04:05:42,479 --> 04:05:45,720
there any further comment

5532
04:05:44,359 --> 04:05:48,640
that

5533
04:05:45,720 --> 04:05:50,680
uh that uh need to be uh brought up by

5534
04:05:48,640 --> 04:05:52,960
staff with regards to

5535
04:05:50,680 --> 04:05:54,920
this uh through you your worship to

5536
04:05:52,960 --> 04:05:57,319
council I would just like to note that

5537
04:05:54,920 --> 04:06:00,359
this has been an excellent opportunity

5538
04:05:57,319 --> 04:06:01,319
for the lower tiers to partner in um a

5539
04:06:00,359 --> 04:06:04,600
plan that's

5540
04:06:01,319 --> 04:06:06,040
legislated um so we're working together

5541
04:06:04,600 --> 04:06:09,880
and

5542
04:06:06,040 --> 04:06:13,640
um the the social research and planning

5543
04:06:09,880 --> 04:06:15,439
Council are perfectly posed to carry out

5544
04:06:13,640 --> 04:06:18,040
the engagement and research aspects of

5545
04:06:15,439 --> 04:06:18,040
the required

5546
04:06:18,319 --> 04:06:23,760
plan okay so the first recommendation is

5547
04:06:21,800 --> 04:06:26,520
bylaw

5548
04:06:23,760 --> 04:06:29,000
292020 has pointed out it's been uh we

5549
04:06:26,520 --> 04:06:32,239
sort of have to do this it's been

5550
04:06:29,000 --> 04:06:34,199
mandated by our big brother so here's

5551
04:06:32,239 --> 04:06:35,840
the process is there a mover and a

5552
04:06:34,199 --> 04:06:39,439
second or for this

5553
04:06:35,840 --> 04:06:41,760
motion Council W moves councelor walon

5554
04:06:39,439 --> 04:06:41,760
is there a

5555
04:06:42,520 --> 04:06:46,920
seconder councelor

5556
04:06:45,199 --> 04:06:50,920
venberg

5557
04:06:46,920 --> 04:06:55,640
okay um all those in favor of the

5558
04:06:50,920 --> 04:06:57,920
motion say I hi any opposed hearing none

5559
04:06:55,640 --> 04:07:00,479
motion carries the second one is that we

5560
04:06:57,920 --> 04:07:04,720
need to put five approve

5561
04:07:00,479 --> 04:07:08,399
$5,000 the 2020

5562
04:07:04,720 --> 04:07:11,920
budget for in the reserve is there a

5563
04:07:08,399 --> 04:07:15,520
mover for this motion councelor Harris

5564
04:07:11,920 --> 04:07:15,520
councelor Harris seconded by

5565
04:07:16,279 --> 04:07:21,680
by

5566
04:07:18,159 --> 04:07:24,359
councelor W Walden thank

5567
04:07:21,680 --> 04:07:27,840
you mayor klopp I'll just clarify that

5568
04:07:24,359 --> 04:07:31,279
it is to roll over the 5,000 as well as

5569
04:07:27,840 --> 04:07:33,920
an additional 5,000 in the 20121 budget

5570
04:07:31,279 --> 04:07:38,080
sorry I didn't read it all I apologize

5571
04:07:33,920 --> 04:07:40,479
there the uh the faces of us of you uh

5572
04:07:38,080 --> 04:07:42,840
great counselors are in half way across

5573
04:07:40,479 --> 04:07:44,279
my sheet so I just thank you for doing

5574
04:07:42,840 --> 04:07:46,800
that

5575
04:07:44,279 --> 04:07:49,399
okay everyone's clear on the motion as

5576
04:07:46,800 --> 04:07:51,960
stated by the clerk I have a question if

5577
04:07:49,399 --> 04:07:55,040
I could go ahead and and I think I know

5578
04:07:51,960 --> 04:07:58,199
the answer but I did for um just for

5579
04:07:55,040 --> 04:08:00,439
making sure that I do this community

5580
04:07:58,199 --> 04:08:02,800
Well Community safety and wellbe plan is

5581
04:08:00,439 --> 04:08:05,720
a requirement correct yes it's a

5582
04:08:02,800 --> 04:08:07,239
legislated requirement okay and comes

5583
04:08:05,720 --> 04:08:10,239
with a cost

5584
04:08:07,239 --> 04:08:10,239
obviously

5585
04:08:11,239 --> 04:08:15,600
Grand sorry go ahead coun go ahead you

5586
04:08:13,920 --> 04:08:19,159
were about to answer my question I think

5587
04:08:15,600 --> 04:08:21,359
so I was just going to note that it is

5588
04:08:19,159 --> 04:08:23,040
um the fact that it's being shared

5589
04:08:21,359 --> 04:08:25,279
amongst all the lower tiers in here in

5590
04:08:23,040 --> 04:08:29,119
county is um helping significantly with

5591
04:08:25,279 --> 04:08:31,479
the cost um it's certainly not something

5592
04:08:29,119 --> 04:08:33,319
that staff have time to do individually

5593
04:08:31,479 --> 04:08:37,119
and partnering

5594
04:08:33,319 --> 04:08:39,520
is it's I think it's a the right way to

5595
04:08:37,119 --> 04:08:43,479
go because many of the issues that many

5596
04:08:39,520 --> 04:08:46,920
of our vulnerable individuals or groups

5597
04:08:43,479 --> 04:08:48,800
are facing are similar across the county

5598
04:08:46,920 --> 04:08:51,840
um so if we can come up with a plan to

5599
04:08:48,800 --> 04:08:54,520
assist assist those groups

5600
04:08:51,840 --> 04:08:56,960
um and and share the cost I think that

5601
04:08:54,520 --> 04:08:58,479
we're coming out ahead yeah and don't

5602
04:08:56,960 --> 04:09:01,479
get me wrong I think it's an excellent

5603
04:08:58,479 --> 04:09:02,600
plan exactly for what you stated uh I

5604
04:09:01,479 --> 04:09:04,560
just don't like when something's

5605
04:09:02,600 --> 04:09:06,239
mandated and then the cost is downloaded

5606
04:09:04,560 --> 04:09:09,600
onto the municipalities from The

5607
04:09:06,239 --> 04:09:11,279
Province yes and um I I will note that

5608
04:09:09,600 --> 04:09:14,640
there are many other counties who have

5609
04:09:11,279 --> 04:09:16,720
got together who um are paying much more

5610
04:09:14,640 --> 04:09:19,359
to have another consultant do the plan

5611
04:09:16,720 --> 04:09:21,479
for them great and thank you for

5612
04:09:19,359 --> 04:09:24,760
attending by the

5613
04:09:21,479 --> 04:09:26,319
way yes thank you uh I'm glad you got

5614
04:09:24,760 --> 04:09:27,840
those questions asked I didn't realize

5615
04:09:26,319 --> 04:09:29,439
that others were having to hire

5616
04:09:27,840 --> 04:09:32,080
consultants and we've been trying to

5617
04:09:29,439 --> 04:09:34,319
work without that so that's good to know

5618
04:09:32,080 --> 04:09:37,000
for the public thank you for asking that

5619
04:09:34,319 --> 04:09:39,319
question okay so the it's cost it about

5620
04:09:37,000 --> 04:09:42,119
5,000 a year that's why you need to roll

5621
04:09:39,319 --> 04:09:44,640
it and roll in more obviously you try to

5622
04:09:42,119 --> 04:09:47,159
okay all are we clear with the question

5623
04:09:44,640 --> 04:09:48,279
I'm going to call the question no more

5624
04:09:47,159 --> 04:09:50,800
all right I'm going to call the question

5625
04:09:48,279 --> 04:09:53,000
all those in favor of the 5,000 Levy

5626
04:09:50,800 --> 04:09:57,640
plus the rooll over of the additional

5627
04:09:53,000 --> 04:10:01,159
five all those in favor I I I any

5628
04:09:57,640 --> 04:10:03,640
opposed hearing none motion carries

5629
04:10:01,159 --> 04:10:06,199
thank you thank you councilor's

5630
04:10:03,640 --> 04:10:10,840
announcements tonight

5631
04:10:06,199 --> 04:10:13,640
anything Mr Mayor yes councelor Harris

5632
04:10:10,840 --> 04:10:17,279
go I just want to make note that the

5633
04:10:13,640 --> 04:10:21,159
Hensel fireman with the Hensel kets and

5634
04:10:17,279 --> 04:10:24,680
the Hensel Kinsman are having a drive

5635
04:10:21,159 --> 04:10:30,199
through Santa greeting this Friday night

5636
04:10:24,680 --> 04:10:34,159
from 5:30 to 7 at the fire hall oh

5637
04:10:30,199 --> 04:10:37,600
okay very good thank you that's at five

5638
04:10:34,159 --> 04:10:39,880
o'clock 5:30 to

5639
04:10:37,600 --> 04:10:42,439
7 and I didn't catch the date I was

5640
04:10:39,880 --> 04:10:43,920
sorry this Friday evening this Friday

5641
04:10:42,439 --> 04:10:47,159
Friday night

5642
04:10:43,920 --> 04:10:47,159
yeah thank

5643
04:10:47,439 --> 04:10:52,479
you any other

5644
04:10:50,359 --> 04:10:55,560
announcements councelor

5645
04:10:52,479 --> 04:10:59,760
venberg thank you mayor I'll try to be

5646
04:10:55,560 --> 04:11:02,159
uh quick on this one so I'm sitting on

5647
04:10:59,760 --> 04:11:07,920
the advisory committee for here on

5648
04:11:02,159 --> 04:11:10,479
sh's Transit uh we had meeting on Friday

5649
04:11:07,920 --> 04:11:12,800
and it's going real quick as to what

5650
04:11:10,479 --> 04:11:14,960
they're going to do so these roots were

5651
04:11:12,800 --> 04:11:17,920
kind of like predetermined before we

5652
04:11:14,960 --> 04:11:21,520
actually set on on the committee

5653
04:11:17,920 --> 04:11:24,319
so the transit will be operating on

5654
04:11:21,520 --> 04:11:28,000
December the 14th that's what the start

5655
04:11:24,319 --> 04:11:31,840
date is be free rides from December the

5656
04:11:28,000 --> 04:11:35,520
14th to January the

5657
04:11:31,840 --> 04:11:38,720
10th nothing things can change down the

5658
04:11:35,520 --> 04:11:42,239
road to but initially uh there'll be two

5659
04:11:38,720 --> 04:11:45,279
runs from Bayfield to Grand van on

5660
04:11:42,239 --> 04:11:49,199
Friday sorry Wednesday and

5661
04:11:45,279 --> 04:11:52,119
Friday uh there'll also be runs or for

5662
04:11:49,199 --> 04:11:55,319
that run in Bayfield the stop will be at

5663
04:11:52,119 --> 04:11:58,720
the Bayfield Town Hall one also at

5664
04:11:55,319 --> 04:12:03,199
Cameron and Highway 21 so we'll be on

5665
04:11:58,720 --> 04:12:03,199
Cameron Street because we don't want

5666
04:12:05,159 --> 04:12:11,479
to I'm not picking up on my mic so just

5667
04:12:08,319 --> 04:12:13,720
wonder everybody else is doing sorry

5668
04:12:11,479 --> 04:12:15,479
counselor okay I'll try again so

5669
04:12:13,720 --> 04:12:19,239
there'll be a

5670
04:12:15,479 --> 04:12:23,080
stop at the Bayfield Town Hall one at

5671
04:12:19,239 --> 04:12:26,239
Cameron in Highway 21 on Cameron Street

5672
04:12:23,080 --> 04:12:28,560
there'll be a stop at the St Joseph park

5673
04:12:26,239 --> 04:12:32,159
by the mailboxes then it'll work its way

5674
04:12:28,560 --> 04:12:36,199
down to the soes in Grand Ben there'll

5675
04:12:32,159 --> 04:12:39,479
also be a daily stop or daily route from

5676
04:12:36,199 --> 04:12:42,439
uh Grand Ben through dashwood down to

5677
04:12:39,479 --> 04:12:44,760
exitor and further down to London so

5678
04:12:42,439 --> 04:12:47,359
then there'll be

5679
04:12:44,760 --> 04:12:53,760
connecting buses that go down to sarna

5680
04:12:47,359 --> 04:12:53,760
but if you can uh here on shores areat

5681
04:12:56,560 --> 04:13:01,439
transit.com Dia Blitz through the papers

5682
04:12:59,199 --> 04:13:05,159
through radio uh they had mentioned

5683
04:13:01,439 --> 04:13:09,319
Bayfield Breeze as well to uh to launch

5684
04:13:05,159 --> 04:13:10,800
it and uh and nothing's set in stone so

5685
04:13:09,319 --> 04:13:13,199
down the road if it's three or four

5686
04:13:10,800 --> 04:13:15,760
months and we say we need to tweak the

5687
04:13:13,199 --> 04:13:19,080
schedules or the stops or whatever then

5688
04:13:15,760 --> 04:13:19,080
we will try to do that as

5689
04:13:19,359 --> 04:13:25,359
well okay thank you and and they'll be

5690
04:13:23,000 --> 04:13:30,159
uh getting that on our website I'm sure

5691
04:13:25,359 --> 04:13:34,479
too yes the

5692
04:13:30,159 --> 04:13:34,479
okay any other uh

5693
04:13:35,279 --> 04:13:42,040
announcements hearing none there was no

5694
04:13:37,520 --> 04:13:44,720
new business this evening on the um on

5695
04:13:42,040 --> 04:13:47,560
our agenda

5696
04:13:44,720 --> 04:13:50,840
okay we're at questions from the

5697
04:13:47,560 --> 04:13:52,600
gallery com your worship I did have one

5698
04:13:50,840 --> 04:13:54,760
registrant for questions from the

5699
04:13:52,600 --> 04:13:56,720
gallery but they have since felt that

5700
04:13:54,760 --> 04:13:58,040
their question was answered and they

5701
04:13:56,720 --> 04:13:59,119
have let me know that they no longer

5702
04:13:58,040 --> 04:14:02,279
will be

5703
04:13:59,119 --> 04:14:06,080
speaking okay thank you uh we're at

5704
04:14:02,279 --> 04:14:08,880
number 11 confirmatory bylaw

5705
04:14:06,080 --> 04:14:12,040
bylaw

5706
04:14:08,880 --> 04:14:15,560
209-2020 Council Harris councelor

5707
04:14:12,040 --> 04:14:15,560
Harris seconded

5708
04:14:16,800 --> 04:14:20,319
by councelor

5709
04:14:22,040 --> 04:14:30,600
vanenburg all those in favor of the

5710
04:14:24,319 --> 04:14:33,199
confirmatory bylaw say I I I any opposed

5711
04:14:30,600 --> 04:14:36,080
hearing none motion carries I need a

5712
04:14:33,199 --> 04:14:38,319
motion to

5713
04:14:36,080 --> 04:14:42,199
adjourn

5714
04:14:38,319 --> 04:14:45,040
councelor councelor wetone thank you

5715
04:14:42,199 --> 04:14:45,040
seconder

5716
04:14:45,560 --> 04:14:51,399
counselor beer

5717
04:14:47,760 --> 04:14:55,840
Becker thank you all those in

5718
04:14:51,399 --> 04:14:57,680
favor hi say say good night right good

5719
04:14:55,840 --> 04:14:59,479
night all right thank you everyone it's

5720
04:14:57,680 --> 04:15:02,479
been a we had a lot of stuff to discuss

5721
04:14:59,479 --> 04:15:06,680
tonight I appreciate your time and your

5722
04:15:02,479 --> 04:15:06,680
patience thank you