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All right, we'll call the June town
council meeting to order.

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Welcome everybody.
See first item for

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consideration is um adoption of the
agenda.

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Are there amendments or

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other on on the agenda

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including the consent agenda? I would
like to remove the item seven cash

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management policy and item eight fund
balance policy from the consent agenda.

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Just for want me to be here and share
some updates, a couple quick things. Uh

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I would say it slowed down a little bit
after graduation. It is not. Crown is on

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campus. So we see a lot of uh high
school students running around and next

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week we start some more camps. But since
the last time we were together, we

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hosted a Memorial Day event as well as
graduation. So we appreciate every came

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out to those events of celebration and
remembrance as well. Um, tickets are on

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sale for our summer concert series at
the amphitheater at the Brinkley

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Amphitheater. Uh, Robbie Marcales and
Philadelphia big brass concert is this

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Saturday. Um, so it's not too late to
get your tickets, but hurry up. It's

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coming quick. Uh, Carl Carti and special
guest is on July 20th and we're working

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on a third concert in August. We're not
quite ready to announce the name yet

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because we're still in the contract
negotiations with that artist, but stay

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tuned. That'll be coming out soon.
Speaking of tickets, football season

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tickets are now on sale. Two time
defending champions. Come out and watch

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them. Uh they are back on campus and I
can tell you they are getting bigger and

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bigger every year. Uh we we have grown
men walking around the uh the cafeteria

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now. And then as a reminder to everyone
in town, the Starbucks and Chick-fil-A

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are open with modified hours. Please
come out, grab a cup of coffee in the

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morning, grab a lunch at Chick-fil-A.
And then the last thing I have is an

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academic update. You may have seen it,
but we're excited to announce that

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anyone who has attended and graduated
from Cleveland Isoothermal and Gaston

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Community College is looking to come
through one of our nursing pathways. We

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now have what we call the Foothills
Nursing Promise, which is a 50% off

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tuition for them. Just another way that
we're trying to serve the backyard first

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uh and making sure we're taking care of
the region and the community first and

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foremost. So, thank you guys for the
opportunity to be here.

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Is there anyone that has signed up for
public comment that is not on the

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agenda? Please step forward state your
name.

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Yeah, my name is Matthew. I'm a general
contractor here in town. Been here 25

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years. Uh mine is fairly simple. I'm
really looking for just um putting a

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little bit of idea before the board on
system development fees that are just

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part of your online 23 24 budget. Um
I've got access or we own 25 plus lots

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within the city of town springs. So for
us, you know, when we get into lots that

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are pre-tapped with water and sewer
historically when we these properties

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they're they're pre-tapped. Now, if
we've got new business, it's something

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different, but majority of what we have
is is purchased pre-tapped. So, we're

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used to paying water tap numbers and
sewer tap numbers for connection fees,

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but I've got the new 2324 stuff for all
of these that are have system

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development fees tied to them. So, these
system development fees for each lot

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come to around $4,500.
That's $112,000

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on just
that we have here in town for the same

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things that are already pre-tapped. You
know, we're not we're not adding any

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more work. We're just hooking on to
existing tax.

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Um other municipalities Shel half price
basically Cleveland County uh whether

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it's Gaffne P County
all these are probably 50% of what we're

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doing here. So I'm just kind of putting
toward you guys to see if there's uh

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something we can do for uh properties
that are pre-tapped or just connection

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fees versus new work, new builds, new
money for new developments coming in.

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I've got all existing stuff.

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Yeah.

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Next on the agenda is adoption of the
consent agenda of course minus items

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number seven and eight. Is there a
motion to adopt the consent agenda?

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So move that motion from Councilman
Wood. Is there a second?

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Second.
Second. Council Green. Any further

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discussion on the consent agenda?
If not, all those in favor say I.

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Oppos? Likewise. Consent agenda is
adopted.

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That will take us to regular business
and we will begin with the cash

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management policy. And Mr. Parker, I'll
let you take over.

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Yes. So, if you all would turn to page
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of your agenda, this is the substantive
change to that cash management policy.

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And so, uh, this policy has been in
place. It's policy that affects our

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finance department. It's part of Miss
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so, this policy spells out how we will
assess

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our
um our monthly utility payments. And so,

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Substantive change is again there on
page 21 under a deposits third paragraph

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down. Utility payments will be applied
as follows.

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Um this amendment to the policy is
including item two listed there which is

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yardbulk
waste. So what happens is if you have a

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$50 bill from the town of Boiling
Springs and you say I am only going to

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pay $19 which is what you charge me for
water we will then apply that bill in

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the order listed under utility payments
will be applied. So we apply to

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penalties first then yard bulk waste
then recycling garbage waste water then

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water. The reason for that is that we
cannot turn off your sewer use but we

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can actually we can turn your water off.
And so you as the consumer will tell us

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where to apply the money. Council has
said that. And so that's what this uh

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policy update does. It incorporates the
yard bulk waste item that's located in

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the proposed budget that can be
incorporated even if uh that fee the fee

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schedule is set at zero. It just updates
the policy to reflect that.

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And Rhonda is nodding at me.
I had to check to make sure

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is not
she's nodding at me. Rhonda is not

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questions or comments from council.

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I have a couple questions on
section A number item.

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Are we g are we giving cash receipts to
customers?

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Yes.
Yes. Who reconciles cash receipts or who

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reconciles receipts to deposit?
Emily does that every day?

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Yes, Emily reconciles what is in what is
reported in utility billing.

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Emily reports what is reconciles what is
reported in utility billing with the

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receipts that were taken in. And then I
match those um those those documents

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with what is actually hitting the bank.
Okay. And general statute requires that

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we deposit cash daily
cash and check

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$250 or more.
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just to clarify there. The only change
was um what Mr. Parker said that um we

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were adding the yard waste fee but it
has a long time since it was passed. So

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there may not any.
Okay. And item C the two random risk

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space and time.
Are we are we doing that?

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I do that. Um I probably do it more
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And section B item D annual supplies
inventory. We taking an annual supply

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inventory.

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Tell me which
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is
okay inventory.

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So that physical inventory like

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a physical inventory of supplies.
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I mean I don't know that we necessarily
take a physical inventory. So I I would

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say no with an aster that we only order
supplies when needed.

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purchased.
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Yes.
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And then the dual signatures for tab
checks. Who's approved to sign checks?

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Rhonda and I.
Right now it's just us.

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Okay.
And we do not employ I mean it allows us

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to use electronic signatures but we do
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Okay. That was all the questions I had.
Anybody else?

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Other comments or questions on the cash
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My question would be you say that uh you
expensive when you buy them. Are we cash

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or acrual basis?
Cash basis for budget purposes and acral

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basis for reporting purposes.
So both sides of the street.

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I am on both sides of the street. Yes, I
have to report. That would be cash basis

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when you expense them with your
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At the end of the year, I will acrew um
we get an invoice that comes in in July

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for something that was done in May or
June. Of course, I will acrew that

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accounts payable and it'll get reported
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next year.

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That leads to your question. But yeah,
we budget for cash, but we have to

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report for approval.

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But each individual would have to do an
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right? Yeah.

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I guess what?
Yeah. You know, we don't really, I

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guess, take an inventory, per se, but
Emily pretty much keeps up with what we

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need in orders. If I happen to notice, I
see all of the bills when they come in.

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If I happen to notice something is we've
ordered a lot of paper in a month, then

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I might question that. Or I have
questioned before, if we're ordering

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envelopes and we shouldn't be needing
them, then I'll question that. But, you

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know, as far as going out and counting
how many rings of paper we have, we

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really don't need that. Does apologist
need to protect that?

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If it's there, then we and we don't do
it. We either need to do it or we need

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to take it out.
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As far as Yeah. taking an actual
physical count. Emily routinely goes and

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make sure that we don't need anything.
But with our with the admin side, the

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police probably do something similar on
their side. And I'm sure do something

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similar on their side.
Yeah, I know state I have to deal with

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that. We do semianual and annual
inventory and that's how we do our

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ordering and that's how we set our
budget

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but
we don't need to have that in there.

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It probably is.
I'll look at it.

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And it's just weird like open this box
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So it really
for me I would consider that immaterial

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but now
if Mike has pipes and whatever I'm sure

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that is material and he probably does
keep an inventory of that but I read the

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paper's immaterial for us. So
we're talking versus copper fittings

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and I'm sure the police have their own
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We don't think we have anything that's
worth

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anything that's listed as as an asset is
all now master asset list. So we do have

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an am
asset management list and so all that

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some of it's listed physically some of
it the lion share of especially with

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regard to public department and the
broader greenway uh is listed in an

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electronic database that we use called
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Is there is this something that we that
you feel we should we should table until

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next meeting to discuss this particular
item or

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I I would be okay if they just
we approve it as amended take that take

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that

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section

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I think it's the number of assets I
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Well, if you can if you don't if you
take out the whole um

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the the nonmaterial assets, if you look
at what Mike and them have, it may be

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material because it's not just what we
have.

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Well, whatever whatever the policy said
we should do. So, if it says policy says

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we should count, then you should count
too. Everybody's account or we need to

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have sections of the policy that says
Mike will do his inventory and and chief

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will do his inventory and
and you won't you know whatever the

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policy says I think we should do or we
should the policy should be what we do I

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guess
and I guess we can set a dollar on that

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it's an item x number of dollars greater
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yearly

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paper and pens,
papers, pens and paper clips.

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You sort of get into the weeds a lot.
So, I wanted to make it straight

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forward.
I guess that's what I consider is what

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is material. Um, we've got a box of
paper sitting inside the copy or is that

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really material to the
rest of the town and its assets?

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And I and I agree. I don't consider it,
but I think, you know, Mike, he's he he

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has
he could have a handful of things could

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be worth thousands of dollars.
So, I think it's I think it's different,

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but I think the policies should reflect
what what we're doing some way or

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another. It should say office supplies
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something.
I think whatever policy should say what

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we're doing policy says now we
everybody's counting

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and we are going to this is part of what
was in our manager's report we are going

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to undertake over the next two months a
comprehensive review of our policies for

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that are internal policies um to make
sure that they align with what we're

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doing and we're going to also work on
developing common procedures and plans

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for for what we pertain to So this was
we're going to look at this again in the

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coming
June July. So that again

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comprehensively.
So is it something that that could wait

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to be approved or does this need to be
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I would recommend since we're adding the
yard to go ahead and approve it. And if

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we wanted to amend it
um as Mr. said, Commissioner said, that

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would be appropriate and we can always
revisit if there's something else in

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there.
And I want to make sure you understand

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I'm not in any way saying I think you
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whatever policy
I agree absolutely that's why we have

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policy.
And if I were an author, that's I'd say

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you're in violation of that policy.
Policy says you should count. Says you

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are count.
Well, yeah. It doesn't

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doesn't differentiate between

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how you maintain appropriate levels if
you don't

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some periodic basis.
Right. And that's what so I think we can

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we will undertake a thorough review of
this policy going forward. So if council

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this evening just wants to change the
section that has yard waste, we will

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revisit this and it can be as soon as
the July meeting or August meeting or

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whenever
Rod and I can can sit down and she can

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tear this thing apart and tell me what
needs to be what.

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That's up to you all.

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Is there a motion to move forward?

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I'm okay moving forward as long as we,
you know, review it and I don't want to

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make it, but I do think, you know, we
should follow it. But I'm okay for

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evalu

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I think the the changes due to um you
know 8% of Boiling Springs is a lot

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different than 8% of the city of
Charlotte's budget and it's to reflect

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that.
Questions or comments? Further questions

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or comments on fund balance?
Well, I had two questions. So, I think

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you just answered one. So, this is not
new. No,

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not
down toward the middle where it says

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finance director shall prepare report
document status of the fund balance

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available to town council as part of the
hand budget prep.

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That is something I will make my best
I'll give it my best attempt.

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Let you know what it is the previous
year for sure.

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Is that going to be determined per the
audit

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or is the audit the previous previous
year?

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The audit determines what the final of
course percentage is. Um I can do my

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best but there will always be
adjustments that they will make that

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will affect that. Um, I can just
recommend we need to try to put some

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aside because our fund balance is a
little low or we think we've got this

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that we can spend this year. We need to
move some money out of um out of the

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unrestricted fund balance.

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Yeah, I can't speak for Mr. L, but I
think that's what we've been asking

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several times in your question
discussion. What was the restricted fund

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balance? What do we have? where we apply
it, how do we apply it in the future?

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So, I think that would be very helpful,
but I know it's a moving target

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a lot of different things and I don't
know how you really put that into a

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document.
It is difficult because at any given

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time during the year, our fund balance
will be different. If you if I check our

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fund balance in October, it's going to
be great because we've just received a

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lot of tax money again if we check it in
January. But now, when you don't get a

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whole lot of tax money. The May and
June, you know, from then on it's going

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to go down because we don't get that
influx of of tax money coming in to the

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general fund. So, you know, I I do my
best to to try to and and depreciation

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also, everything, you know, um goes into
that calculation um which isn't

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calculated until the very end.

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I I can't obviously calculate it unless
it's something that's purchased at the

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end of the year. We make adjustments for
uh debt service payments and

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other questions or comments.

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I think

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so.

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Yeah, we need
another person to

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work with
her. She might retire or something.

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I got that.
Sorry.

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Is there a motion to adopt the fund
balance policy?

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Councilman Green with the motion. Is
there a second? Second from Council

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Ellis, I believe. Further discussion,
questions.

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All those in favor say I. I. Likewise.
Fund balance policy is adopted.

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Moving on with regular business. Uh
final item in regular business, the Ruby

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Hunt YMCA agreement. Mr. Parker. Thank
you, Mr. Mayor. You all have a paper

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copy of this here in front of you. Um
this agreement is what um we

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approved back in 2223.
And so this was at the request of the

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YMCA that we use this agreement. This
was my understanding the last yearong

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agreement that the town had with the
YMCA.

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I believe after this agreement we went
to the sixmonth

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interim agreements which we are
currently in the second half of one of

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those and is set to expire the end of
this month.

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The big substantive changes
between the two agreements

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are on page two
under item five, recreation services.

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Uh number one, town residents will
receive a minimum of a 10% discount off

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the joining fee. Currently
that is 50% off the joining fee.

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Participation in athletic reads and
programming were at a reduced rate. What

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I did was I went back and figured out
what council at the time felt like were

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the issues with this specific agreement.
Um and then tried to to preempt what we

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thought they would be again. Um and so
you uses reduced rate and there was some

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trepidation about what that means. Um
let's see here.

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Item four uses the language reasonable
daily fee

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and council at the time felt like we
needed to firm up exactly what that

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meant. Um and then there was just a a
note on there about baseball and item

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seven though the current agreement
doesn't doesn't call out baseball. It

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spec says that the recreation management
program or recreation program will be

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left to the discretion of the YMCA. But
this is a

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here proposed agreement that we received
from the YMCA. It will need to go back

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to the YMCA if you all choose to adopt
it. Um it will need to go back to them

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for their signature and approval.
There is also an additional request that

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moving forward
um oh I left a piece off. Sorry that's

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why I've got the notes. Uh we did remove
article 4 under facilities.

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Item B, the one that you have does not
say

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uh that the YMCA will share 25% of
renovations and major repairs at the

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town park.
The YMCA requested that we take that

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language out. That language was taken
out of the sixmonth agreements.

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Where where is that specific conclusion?
Where was it?

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It was under B. So under uh section 4
facilities on page two B town park

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maintenance.
It was in that section and it said that

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the town would fit 75%
of maintenance costs and the YMCA would

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do 25. That is not currently in the
agreement we have with the YMCA.

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It was taken out at some point.
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and so this is a $48,000 one-year
contract.

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The YMC is also requesting that in
subsequent years, um, the town considers

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a request that the recreation budget
um, percentage that's according to the

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YMCA be set at 1.25%
of the total town budget from the

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contract agreement.

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And I can run that number for you.

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Where where is that specifically?
That's the first time we have seen this

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and I mean it's the first time I've seen
it. That's why I'm asking so many

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questions.
Yes. Um so that part is not in this

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deal. That part is is for future
consideration

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as we move. So under the assumption that
council agreed to this current document.

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Um the YMCA is requesting as we move
into next year we consider

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earmarking 1.25%
for of the total budget

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total budget. Yeah.
Yes.

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How much is it?

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60. Let's see here. 45.

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Approximately 56,000 of this year's
56 or 66

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56 of this year's budget approximately.
So

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almost two cents.

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I'm not in favor of adding that.
Yeah. And so that was I think that's

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what they're thinking for next year
which we

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still obviously know we've got time to
look at that again to figure out why

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subcommittee want to get together
discuss that robustly.

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Yeah. Let's let's take up the agreement
as it is.

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First of all didn't didn't we approve
this agreement on the town level what we

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want to present to
we did.

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Yes sir we did. We submit
at all levels.

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Yes, sir. Okay.
And then they come back with this

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document.

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Yes.

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And we're seeing this for the first
time.

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Yes, sir.
And we're being asked to consider how

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this plays into our budget and how that
deals with the 48,000.

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Yes, sir.

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Further comments, questions?

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I have a question.
Uh the 48,000 that we're speaking of as

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far as the budget that we're presenting
tonight,

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would if we table this agreement as it's
written from the Y

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The 48,000 is is earmarked for the Y.
But if we passed the budget and we did

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not pass the Y agreement, we'd have
$48,000

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for possibly setting up our own sports
leagues and using that money from

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something else. So that $48,000 would be
used for something for the town. So we

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could still leave that 48,000 in there.
We don't have to pull it out. We can

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leave it in. It may not go to the Y
else. Is that correct?

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Yes, sir. So, when you all pass a budget
ordinance, what you are directing me and

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Miss Ally is that these are these seven
buckets

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and you are giving us the dollar amount
that goes in each bucket. We do not the

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statutes don't allow us to budget by
line item. And so, Miss Allen and I are

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able to move those line items and that's
part of the budget ordinance as well.

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And so it may say that that we're
putting it in a you know whatever fund.

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We might call it salaries today, but in
a year from now we didn't need it in

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salaries. Miss Allen and I may have
needed to use that money to renovate

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Hannah's coffee house until we can we
can do that.

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We can make those adjustments.
It will be under contracted services as

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it is now, but it come out of contracted
services if if the law agreement doesn't

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pass.
Yes, sir.

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Do we currently have a
representative to the max?

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No, sir. It's my understanding that we
do not.

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And that's been part of every agreement
that we've had for years and years and

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years and years and years. How many
years?

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And we've had contract type issues were
relative

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application. Why would we go back to a
22 23 agreement that we already had

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difficulties with

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we already passed something that we had
talked about in house and we said hey

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this is what we want to see as far as
the contract.

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That's my question to the other council
members. Imagine many years ago if we

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took that same amount of money, that
$800,000, we put it into a town called

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Parks and Recreation and we had our own
facility,

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where would we be today?
I feel like we've been faithful partner

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to the YMCA and from my understanding
they rejected what we have offered

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with something much less.

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I say we don't I say we gave them what
we wanted and they rejected

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and we could take the money we could set
aside in a special park and recreation.

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We develop our own department and begin
implementing our park master plan. We

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could look at funding if we're doing
1.25% % of budget and let's put that in

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our own facilities as our own projects
because right now it's it's really a

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struggle over control. We give them
money under contract. We ask them to

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fill the obligations. We ask for metrics
and sometime

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so
to me if we had any other type of

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service we had this type of contract
issues with Republic with

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animal control with the physical
management of soft

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any other contract service. Would we
cancel that service or we continue?

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That's a question of answer.

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Further comments, questions.

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I think we considered the contract that
they predicted

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we as signed by
we don't have

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effective June 30th
I guess I mean this is for next year but

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You know, we've had a a long partnership
for 17 18 years and

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I think at some point it's just healthy
and some point to step back from

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to consider where we are as far as the
town and look at whether we're all in

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and we're going to do something with our
parks and recreation or if not we're

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going to keep contracting that we need
to be all in and commit to the so they

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can do their strategic planning as well.
I don't We could we're sort of riding

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the fence here both ways, right?
So, I think tonight we need to make a

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pretty difficult decision about things.
Maybe not tonight. Maybe we'll

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pass it on down the road for a little
while, but it does have a budget

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tonight.

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Other comments?
We got this tonight. There's there's too

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many unknowns in it for me to

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support.
And if we supported this, why did we

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change it?
You know, why don't we amend it? If we

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we were okay with it, why why did we
amend it? You know, if we're okay with

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it, we should have just kept kept on.
So,

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I'm very disappointed.
And

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I don't I don't think I've ever heard
since I've been on the council when we

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when we when we come up every year we
tell how much money we allocate for

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them. I don't think I've ever heard
somebody come before this council say we

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appreciate your money.
It's always it ain't enough.

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We're the only no other municipality who
who attends or uses the Ruby W

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contributes
and to my knowledge they never solicit

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money from Moberore Kingtown.

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I think we've been a faithful partner
for a long time. We're the largest

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contributor to the Y.
It's not not the B Springs wise, but

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down Frank was the largest contributor
to the construction of the

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up.

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I think that's the part that a lot of
people our citizens people do not see.

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They just see that bigger contract. They
don't understand that we've been

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partners with them a long time and have
put a lot of money in it as

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council talked about. I don't know the
exact figure, but it's a lot. It's six.

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So,

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and I think I would be remiss if I
didn't basically say I know that the

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YMCA is a gathering place in town. I
know that it is a wonderful opportunity

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for kids, for senior citizens, for
everybody, but I also know that not

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every person uses the YMCA and I still
feel that we are subsidizing recreation

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for greater western county and beyond
and

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00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:57,359
and we just have some budget constraints
this year that we're looking at funding

437
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:03,040
major projects and we're looking at
where we go with infrastructure and CIP

438
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:08,000
and many things. It's not we don't
provide funding for recreation, but it

439
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,040
gets to a point where my opinion if
we're going to provide a certain level

440
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:17,560
funding and we need to keep it all in
house so we have internal controls

441
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,560
internal policies on what

442
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,480
I also would like to say I think I think
Miss Pitch does a wonderful job

443
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:31,200
operation.
I think she does commendable job there.

444
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:35,599
And I and I've said this a thousand
times. I don't think anybody believes

445
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:40,720
it, but I am not anti-wise.
I think the Y is is a great institution.

446
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:46,800
I'm glad we've got it. But when I put on
my town commissioner hat, we're talking

447
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:54,320
about the town the town citizens and and
the representation that servicing

448
00:39:49,599 --> 00:40:02,400
everybody. I think I think the dollars
just don't add up. I think and like

449
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:06,960
Councilman Thomas said, if if we had if
we had a if Mike had 45 $46,000 in his

450
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:13,280
budget, he couldn't tell us where he
spent every penny of it,

451
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,960
we'd have issues with that. If McGill or
somebody couldn't fulfill the contract

452
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,640
obligations, we wouldn't continue those
contracts.

453
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:26,240
And we had we had a conversation about
the cash budget and counting all the

454
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:32,160
beans here and either we need to count
the beans of all that those beans or we

455
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,359
need to give freely with the
understanding that hey we'll loosen the

456
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:40,000
controls and I think there was a there
was a young lady at the Ruby Hunt board

457
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:44,400
and she was in finance and I remember
what she said very clearly she said

458
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:49,520
would there be any opportunity to reduce
um the town's control over the funds and

459
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:53,599
keep the funding at the same amount of
money and I think that's what this

460
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:58,560
agreement in essence is trying
And I told her truthless no that's not

461
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:02,160
what my feelings would be that we would
loosen the controls. In fact we want to

462
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:07,640
see greater metrics about where the
money is and that's just from a physical

463
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,640
standpoint.

464
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:21,680
So I'm not sure how we proceed. Mr.
Mayor, is there a motion to proceed?

465
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,960
to proceed.
Question.

466
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:30,640
I guess we have a couple considerations.
We could consider um tableling this

467
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:35,599
agreement and continue working on the
agreement at a later date to be able to

468
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,680
bring that back and we could do budget
amendments to reflect that whether we

469
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:47,079
reduce our amount from that based on
this contract

470
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,079
or whether we increase our bas

471
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,839
if
if the Y wants to come back to the table

472
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:58,560
and work. But I think if the shoe was on
the other foot and we had given the Y a

473
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:04,480
contract that was changed or had some
stuff omitted, I don't think they would

474
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:08,480
be approving it on the same day that
I'm not complete understanding.

475
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,599
I think I think we're just kicking the
can.

476
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:16,800
I mean, I'm willing to go back to the
table and talk with them if that's what

477
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:22,079
they're willing to do. But if they're
not, then I don't know which way to go

478
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:25,079
because this contract's too for me to
approve.

479
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:32,160
So we've approved a contract and they
rejected and now they approve the

480
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:36,960
contract to us.
We either have to reject it or approve

481
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:39,680
it and effectively ending the contract.
What kind of notice do we have to give

482
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:46,000
to the
mean under the current contract?

483
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:52,800
So I think you said expired anyway. So
you you are not under any obligation

484
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:57,680
this evening to approve or deny any or
table for that matter any deal because

485
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:02,400
we have a deal until June 30. Now that
deal will expire and so that means that

486
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:06,720
effective July 1, we will be out of the
contract period. If council wants us to

487
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:13,680
pick back up with an additional
contract, we will just date it after

488
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:18,880
July one, whatever that contract may be.
It seems to me we are always the one

489
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:22,640
that's
having to

490
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,480
renegotiate.
I I thought I thought we were very

491
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:33,040
adamant when we gave them this contract
that that was the contract that we felt

492
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:36,040
good with and they rejected it
which

493
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:43,280
I I think we should move on with our
budget and I think our budget I don't

494
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:47,440
think we should change the the
that a rate we're going to win anything

495
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:53,760
because of the Ruby Hunt, but I think we
should just proceed with our budget

496
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:59,680
without the Y agreement and then we can
decide if we want to how we want to use

497
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:03,839
those funds. We want to hire our own
recreation director or we want to hire

498
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:07,920
somebody part-time. Do we want to do we
can decide that ourselves?

499
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:14,560
That's that's what I think we should do.
I think we should move on. I think we

500
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,560
should consider their contract.

501
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:25,200
And that would not require action
because I mean this is presented to you

502
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:31,440
for your consideration but no action
required unless I mean if you do nothing

503
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:37,520
to it it goes away.
If you want to keep it then we need to

504
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:42,880
take it but if you take no action then
it will just be recorded that it was

505
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:47,680
presented in the minutes and no action
was taken and so it just naturally goes

506
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:54,400
away. I will say
um kind of to bridge

507
00:44:51,680 --> 00:45:00,640
you all also allocate funding for the
Ruby Hunt Library and so if if your

508
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:06,079
instruction to staff is that we need to
take away the funding for rep services

509
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:12,319
there is not to my knowledge an
agreement we've discussed this before

510
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:16,319
there's no kind of written contract that
I have found and I reached out to

511
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:20,560
Cleveland County to They have Cleveland
County contributes $18,000 a year.

512
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:25,760
That's a line item on their budget
that's earmarked. They give it to the

513
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:32,240
town. Rhonda then takes $8,000
from the town budget and adds it to and

514
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:35,760
they she flips that to the YMCA.
Um

515
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:38,160
I want to bring that up just because
while we're talking about this, it's

516
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:43,760
something that that you all have
mentioned to me before.

517
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:46,160
And so there is that potential $8,000 as
well.

518
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,280
Is it under administration? I'm going
off memory now. Rhonda,

519
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:58,319
it's a recreation.
Is it? I couldn't remember. So, it's

520
00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:02,880
under parks and wreck as well.
Yes.

521
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:08,160
8,000 parks and as well. So, there's 48
and then our additional 8,000 that we

522
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:12,000
get. Now, the 18 from the county is
recorded

523
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:17,200
on the revenue sheet as library
donation. And so, comes in at 18 goes

524
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:23,040
out at 18. So it breaks
and it's allocated for the county.

525
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:29,760
The county has listed it in their budget
as Borland Springs library.

526
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,880
So if we and I'm not I'm not anybody
saying that they should do this, but if

527
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:41,040
we
stop our eight, they still get the 18.

528
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:45,599
I'm not I'm not suggesting that. I mean,
yeah, I made a promise to Nancy.

529
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,640
If you know Nancy.
Oh yeah, I know you should make I know

530
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,400
you shouldn't make promises to her
either.

531
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:56,400
She she talked to me about continuing
funding for the library. This been a

532
00:46:54,240 --> 00:47:03,720
long many many years ago and that she
hoped that we could continue funding the

533
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,720
library and I would not be in

534
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:12,480
but she was a strong advocate for that
for libraries and for reading and she

535
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,319
still
and it is the western Cleveland County

536
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:19,359
Library and that's why the county
provides funding for it.

537
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:24,359
I guess she wouldn't mention mind
mention apologize to remember.

538
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:32,960
So is there a motion to
adopt the agreement? Is there a motion

539
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:38,240
to table the agreement?
And

540
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:45,040
or if none then no action is required. I
do want to offer the opportunity for a

541
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:48,040
motion to table if that is
desirable.

542
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,520
So what's the difference between table
and no action?

543
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:57,280
Tabling means that we will
bring it back.

544
00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:03,119
No action means that it will expire at
the end of the month.

545
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:06,160
Wouldn't preclude
further discussions or negotiations or

546
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,119
anything else. It would just be starting
from scratch.

547
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:20,400
All right, hearing none.
Moving on

548
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:25,520
uh to
public hearing for lease agreement on

549
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:29,000
103 North Main Street.
I will open

550
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,480
after the public meeting has been
opened. Citizen speakers will be

551
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,000
acknowledged in the order in which
they've signed up as a speaker and will

552
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:46,079
address all comments to the council as a
whole and not one individual. Council

553
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:50,480
members speakers will address the
council from the speaker podium at the

554
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:53,280
front of the room and will begin their
remarks by stating their name and

555
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:56,800
address. Discussions between speakers
and members of the audience will not be

556
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:00,400
allowed. Public hearing is not intended
to require the council to answer any

557
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:04,079
impromptu questions. Speakers are
expected to be civil in their language

558
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,760
and presentation. All comments from the
speaker shall be directly related to the

559
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:11,440
subject of the public hearing. Each
speaker is allotted three minutes.

560
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker is not permitted to share,
reserve, or relinquish any remaining

561
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:18,960
time allocated to them to another
speaker. Any written materials,

562
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:25,200
petitions, photographs, and or other
documents may be delivered to the town

563
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:32,359
clerk. With that, we will open the
public hearing for the lease agreement

564
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:32,359
for 103 North Main Street at 7:21.

565
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,040
and

566
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,440
discuss

567
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:49,920
people to speak. Yes. And I can start
off by saying this is our lease

568
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:56,000
agreement with Laura England for the
property uh list at 103 North Main

569
00:49:53,119 --> 00:50:00,880
Street. We all call it Satara. And so
this is a 16month agreement. The reason

570
00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:07,280
it's a 16-month agreement is because
this will then bring the STAR property.

571
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:12,319
Uh that lease to the same term as the
post office building

572
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:19,200
because the build the lease for the post
office is also expiring on October 31st

573
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:25,119
of 25. Um, you've got a letter there
from real estate appraiser Bill McCarter

574
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:29,520
which says that uh $710 is the fair
market value for that building due to

575
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:36,160
its age and condition.
If there are any questions on the staff

576
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:40,960
side, we are here to answer questions or
comments from council.

577
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:46,319
Question is Miss England.
Yes.

578
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:49,200
approved and ready to sign.
I think it did reflect like a $10

579
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,480
increase or something like that.
Yes, sir.

580
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:57,280
So, one question I had is, you know, she
mentioned that she her husband did

581
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:02,480
substantial upgrades to that building.
How's that ever factored into I guess

582
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:06,480
negotiations on I know we've already
purchased property and all that stuff,

583
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,920
but is that just the risk that you doing
the upgrades?

584
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:14,319
I spoke with Morer about that because
I'm not I don't know about commercial

585
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,800
real estate. Um and he said yes that is
the risk that you took when she

586
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,640
renovated the building.
If she if it's a fix to the building it

587
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:26,400
becomes part of the building. If it's
quicker or something like that remove it

588
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:31,599
but it's part of the structure it's part
of the structure you can't remove.

589
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:40,000
A lot of laces, especially the ones with
the state, if there's a significant

590
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:43,000
amount of upill dollars required, then
less

591
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:55,119
is the landlord in other words typically
recoups that over a time period

592
00:51:50,880 --> 00:52:01,640
all typically. But now if the lease the
renter is doing it then like council gr

593
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:10,480
and I think the the understanding that
I've always kind of and vicious does

594
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:13,839
significant amount of of commercial uh
lease work in his practice but I think

595
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:19,760
that kind of the thought we've always
had is the town does not really so we

596
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:23,040
the first thought was we don't really
want to go into the lease business but

597
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,599
we've blown through that one a little
bit. That's fine. Uh and then the second

598
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:31,119
kind of thing is we really don't want to
be in the business of upfitting and

599
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:36,319
fixing a lot of that. We would much
rather have tenants who are willing to

600
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:40,880
do that. Um and we have been lucky so
far and that we have found tenants who

601
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:47,440
are willing to to do that or a
significant portion of

602
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:52,880
I had one question about light. You know
it it says in there light pictures.

603
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:56,960
Okay. They put up a light fixture then
it's a fixed in the building that that

604
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:02,160
belongs to the landlord if they leave
but I couldn't find anywhere in there

605
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:07,839
where it addresses light
and I'm possibly overlooked

606
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:11,920
that's been a sticking point in a lot of
the state leases that I've had

607
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,760
experience with over years and finally
went back in there they went state

608
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:23,319
property went back in there and put a
specific wording in there that says who

609
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,319
is responsible for tubes.

610
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,440
If it's in there, you can point it out
to me.

611
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:40,319
Light tubes, light bulbs.
In commercial properties, you typically

612
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,960
have light tubes.
A lot of people gone to LEDs. So, you

613
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:47,280
don't have those anymore.
But typically, if you've got things like

614
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:51,359
light fixtures, you know, you know, and
they have just standard, they want like

615
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,760
this
could do that

616
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:05,200
would allow for a tenant to restore it
back to the way it was when they vacate

617
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:08,640
the property and just take that back
out. they restored the property and at

618
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:11,640
their expense made sure that it was done
right

619
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,760
if they got a burnout light they call to
send somebody

620
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:29,680
that would be possibility
and I don't think it's spelled out but I

621
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:35,119
mean it doesn't necessarily have to be
feel good about it's not spelled out if

622
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:40,680
picture don't work that should be our
the physical

623
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,680
system

624
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:51,319
all
I assume you'd be talking like if it's

625
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:51,319
got a just a regular res

626
00:54:55,599 --> 00:55:03,359
but we wouldn't be required to
fix

627
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,359
the other

628
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,319
Is there anyone from the public signed
up for this?

629
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:23,079
Are there any further questions or
comments from council before we close

630
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:23,079
the public hearing?

631
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:28,359
Close this public hearing at 7:27.

632
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:36,640
And what is the pleasure of council
regarding

633
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:42,319
police agreement 103?
Police agreement 103 be approved. Motion

634
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:47,119
from council green. Is there a second?
Second second council Thomas. Further

635
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:54,720
discussion questions.
All those in favor say I. I. Likewise.

636
00:55:51,599 --> 00:56:00,640
This agreement is entered into. Before
we move into the second, I just want to

637
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:05,920
be clear after opening, we'll do the
staff report and then we'll have public

638
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:11,599
input and then we'll have council uh
comments just to to clear up that

639
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:17,680
process. All right. So, we will open up
a public hearing uh for lease agreement

640
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:20,680
at 145 South Main Street. That's the gym
728.

641
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:25,440
And Mr. Parker?
Yes, sir.

642
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:29,920
Thank you, Mr. Mr. Mayor, this is the
town owned gym behind the old town hall.

643
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,680
This is currently being used by the
Gardenwood University wrestling

644
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:38,000
department. This is a lease amendment
and so it still follows those same

645
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:44,720
requirements. We are just changing the
original lease dated uh here while ago.

646
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:48,559
I'm sorry. U it was the lease deal back
in 2020

647
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:56,319
uh that we had originally signed with
with Gardner web. The substantive change

648
00:56:52,960 --> 00:57:02,640
is twofold. Firstly, the uh proposed
rent on this property is going from $100

649
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:08,319
per month to $500 per month. And you
have a email chain there from me and Mr.

650
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:15,520
Marter which suggests that that is the
fair market value of that building. Um,

651
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:23,839
and then the this is for a three-year
term with two additional optional

652
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:27,520
renewal periods. Um, the tricky thing
with this one, because it is an

653
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:31,440
amendment, Mr. Schwepy and I needed to
renegotiate parts of it with with the

654
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:37,599
university because we cannot lease
property for longer than 10 years unless

655
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:41,440
we undergo the conveyance procedures as
if we were selling the property. So,

656
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:45,119
once we after a 10 year period, we have
to pretend that we're selling it to. And

657
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:49,200
so that's why we want to keep this one.
This will keep the life of the lease at

658
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:54,000
nine total years.
And so this just allows us that that

659
00:57:51,839 --> 00:58:01,280
three year initial period, Mr. Mayor.
And I'm here for questions if is anyone

660
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:06,640
signed up to speak on this. Thank you.
Does that mean that for n for the nine

661
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:12,079
terms of lease it'll be $500 a month?
Yes.

662
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:18,319
years that captures that's starting the
original plus amendments. So it's not

663
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:20,880
starting a new nine yearly. This is um
three years and then two

664
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,559
three and two.
Yeah.

665
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,799
Yes sir.
But but the the rental will be locked in

666
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:32,559
at $500.
It will for the first three years and

667
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:37,200
then we have the option to renew
um in two additional terms. So if at

668
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:41,440
that point we decide we do not want to
renew, we're under no obligation to

669
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:46,079
renew, then we can say, "Hey, Bill, what
is the fair market value of this

670
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:50,400
property now?" And he can say 550 and
then we will

671
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:55,280
Well, I just I'm not I just thought, you
know, things could happen

672
00:58:53,760 --> 00:59:00,200
maybe somebody maybe somebody else come
by and say, "I'll give you $1,000."

673
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,200
Right.

674
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:12,640
And so what happens when If we get to
demolish the entire property

675
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:18,000
when we discussed this last that the gym
was uh not something the council wanted

676
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:24,720
to look at demolishing and so when we
had looked at that back in March I

677
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:30,960
believe is what it was. U we had gotten
prices on demolishing our entire portion

678
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:38,720
and then also prices to demolish just
the uh the property less. And so um at

679
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:42,319
that point my recollection was that
council wanted to move forward with the

680
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:47,680
lease
because we we want to keep the gym for

681
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:55,280
either cultural and historic value and
or for its utility. But moving forward

682
00:59:51,440 --> 01:00:01,079
we have enterprise to go there. The
lease would not necessarily limit us to

683
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:01,079
demolish.

684
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:13,319
So we would be locked into three years
back in contract, right? At least three

685
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:13,319
years

686
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:19,680
that
yes, we would need to

687
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:23,680
we have to wait three years before we
could demolish that.

688
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:32,079
I think we need to clarify that we're
not right now not considering that. I

689
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:36,520
mean
think that

690
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:44,720
and I wouldn't I think it does not
knowing that the college has

691
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:48,640
a substantial investment there in that
property. They have upgraded that

692
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,680
property and they they maintain it well.
So

693
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:55,480
you know we talked about
and how she did that

694
01:00:55,839 --> 01:01:03,359
with this facility.
They've been a good

695
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,480
and I agree with that. But I also see a
time that maybe it would be mutual

696
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:10,040
beneficial for the town and for the
university that

697
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:21,520
I do and you know I see maybe not but I
see they might come to look at maybe

698
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:28,480
their own recreation program maybe.
always brings a fitness center and

699
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:35,480
but I would also
I don't think the council ever just say

700
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,480
hey you're out tomorrow

701
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:43,520
would be
mutually agreed upon as possible if you

702
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:49,200
put in that time
other questions and comments for council

703
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:53,920
regarding the lease agreement at 145
I make motion agreement be approved.

704
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:57,119
Motion for Mr. Green. Is there a second?
Uh yes, we do. Uh we will end the public

705
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:04,040
hearing.
Any other further comments? Okay. Uh

706
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,040
we'll end the public hearing at 7:33.

707
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,880
Mr.

708
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:15,520
Motion from Mr. Green to renew the
lease. Second from Councilman Ellis,

709
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:20,799
excuse me. And uh any further questions,
comments, discussion? All those in favor

710
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:26,000
of renewing the agreement with 145 South
Main Street. Say

711
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:32,960
I likewise and
that carries.

712
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:36,839
Thank you Daniel for being really a good
not good very often.

713
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:42,319
All right, we will we have one more
public hearing. This probably won't take

714
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:48,000
long.
Um, so we will open up the public

715
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:55,280
hearing for the proposed budget for
fiscal year 25 at 7:34.

716
01:02:53,520 --> 01:03:02,559
Mr. Park,
thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, and I, Miss

717
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:08,160
Holland is coming up the budget
presentation. I will start off by saying

718
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:14,000
that this is the third edit uh to the
slideshow so that I can exercise the

719
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:20,559
maximum amount of brevity that you all
are used to receiving from me but on a

720
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:23,920
very serious note you know I appreciate
council's willingness to work and this

721
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:27,839
is in the slideshow but I'll say it now
appreciate you all uh for what you've

722
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:32,640
done your willingness to work appreciate
the department heads and our town staff

723
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:37,920
as you all know this budget has been
labor of love for us for the past

724
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:41,640
several months. And so it's definitely
something that we

725
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:50,960
definitely something that we've worked
on both uh as a group of seven as a

726
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:53,920
group of of council and department heads
and then we've received some public

727
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:59,839
input. I'm sure that you all have as
well. So it's definitely something that

728
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:07,440
um I think we we can all be proud of
where we're potentially headed. Um, you

729
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:15,440
all received a copy of my official
budget message and you have got the 2425

730
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:19,680
budget ordinance staff report there. Um,
you are being presented this evening

731
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:25,920
with two options. And so option number
one or option A,

732
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:34,640
I don't really
surprise you. Option A, yes, it's okay.

733
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:41,440
to levy the adorum tax rate at 41 cents
per property valuation. Option B uh is

734
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:48,640
to levy the adalorum tax rate at 40
cents per $100 property valuation.

735
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:55,440
Um the the substantive difference
between the two is that option A would

736
01:04:52,240 --> 01:05:00,160
allocate an additional $33,000 to the
solid waste department where option B

737
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:05,359
would not allocate that additional
$33,000 and council has expressed an

738
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:11,640
interest that that $33,000 be put into
the reserve for a trash truck fund.

739
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,200
And we are now up and running.

740
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,559
[Music]

741
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:45,680
relationship with the dog.
Yes, that's that is Leo. Yes, the town.

742
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:51,079
Tracy keeps wanting us to have that for
that's a whole another topic.

743
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:51,079
That's a whole deal. We'll get to that.

744
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:59,640
We are
just

745
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:10,720
all right. So, we started off uh with a
tax rate of 38 cents. Um, you have all

746
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:14,880
heard me say that one penny is $33,000.
That's an approximate number. The actual

747
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:20,000
is $32,800.
Uh, but I can't I can't think that way.

748
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:24,880
So, I have to round up. Um, with the
consumer price index, um, projected

749
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:29,440
inflation rate at what I checked today
was 3.4 uh, percent.

750
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:33,039
and the North Carolina League of
Municipalities suggesting that we

751
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:39,200
decrease our sales tax revenue by 7%
which equates to approximately $45,000.

752
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:44,799
Um, and we also started the year off by
increasing our debt service by $102,000

753
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:49,760
and some change. This is what staff
considered when we began the budget

754
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:54,240
process.
Next, um, and so from there, we worked

755
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:58,319
with with you all in council. We
received feedback from council. We

756
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:03,599
worked uh department heads and tried to
put our heads to use the people's money

757
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:08,640
to accomplish the goals uh that council
has in mind for the upcoming year. Um

758
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:13,200
these are just the highlights from the
six uh departments. There are seven in

759
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:17,680
the budget ordinance, but I combined
streets into one. And so it tells you on

760
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:21,599
there administration, we're focusing on
intersection improvements while also

761
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:26,480
making sure that we meet those debt
service obligations at the post office

762
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:31,119
and sat property. uh upgraded equipment
for our police department and also

763
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:39,039
allocating money for animal control. The
fire service 8.75 cent tax uh which is

764
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:43,200
based on our total property valuation.
Um the streets department which is

765
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:47,280
divided into two parts paddle bill and
non-paddle bill. Palville money comes

766
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:53,920
from the state. We use that for paving
and sidewalks. Non-paddle bill money the

767
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:57,920
overwhelming majority of that goes to
Um there's also the safe streets for all

768
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:03,599
grant in that line item as you're
looking at your budget ordinance there.

769
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:08,000
Um the next one is solid waste and so we
were met with some challenges in our

770
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:12,799
solid waste department both in terms of
an increase in tipping fees from the

771
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:19,440
Cleveland County landfill but also a 5%
increase in recycling fees from Republic

772
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:25,920
which is our third party vendor. Um, and
the cost of trash cans continuing to

773
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:32,640
increase. Right now at $69 per can, that
is trash and recycling. Uh, both.

774
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:37,199
And then, um, recreation, including the
YMCA agreement, ongoing maintenance to

775
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:41,679
our park, which is in the budget for us
to replace ceiling tiles, sinks, and

776
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,759
toilets at both of our bathrooms at the
shelter facility. Making sure that the

777
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:49,759
town's long-standing commitment to the
Broad River Greenway is continue to be

778
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:54,719
realized, which I know is a priority for
council. Um, and then making sure that

779
01:08:52,880 --> 01:09:02,279
we continue to invest in our community
events, including music on main websock,

780
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:02,279
the Christmas tree lighting,

781
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:11,719
which I
was that it.

782
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,719
Oh, okay. Next.

783
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:17,520
Um, and so then totaling the general
fund, the total general fund will be

784
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:22,719
approximately
4.54.65

785
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:28,679
million. That is a 2% year-over-year
increase uh when you compare it to last

786
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:28,679
year's budget.

787
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:38,159
Um, and then in the water sewer fund to
just always remind us that it is an

788
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,920
enterprise fund and so by definition it
is designed to make money. We have to

789
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:46,400
run it a little bit differently than we
do the general fund. Uh we inherited a

790
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:49,920
4% water increase from the city of
Shelby, a recommended 2 and a half%

791
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:55,199
increase from the North Carolina Royal
Water Association, which is how we uh

792
01:09:53,120 --> 01:10:02,320
staff settled on our recommended
increase amount at 6.5%.

793
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:06,800
This will go to fund um capital assets
in the water sewer fund. As council has

794
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:11,679
reiterated several times, we are
concerned about our capital capital

795
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:16,960
asset condition ratio which is currently
at 50%.

796
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:22,000
Um though on the upcoming audit, as Miss
Keller discussed, we are in danger of

797
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:26,320
taking below that number. And so the
only way to get that number back up is

798
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:30,640
to replace our capital assets with with
new assets. And so we've got to get some

799
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:35,600
of those older depreciated things off.
Um that's going to happen equipment

800
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:42,400
purchases.
Sorry, equipment purchases, but then

801
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:47,199
also um through our capital projects
like the South Main Street water line

802
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:51,760
replacement
um and upgrading that line, which

803
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:57,520
services all of University from a cast
iron pipe to iron pipe, but then also

804
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:01,600
undertaking some some needed and
critical upgrades at our wastewater

805
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:07,520
treatment plant. And I put this in my
letter and I meant it. Um, you all have

806
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:12,800
always reiterated to me that you want
our infrastructure to be the envy of

807
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:17,600
this region of the state and to be a gym
uh that we have here in town. And we

808
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:20,640
have heard that. Um, we were on the
phone with someone from North Carolina

809
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:25,920
Department of Environmental Quality.
He's one of our regulators, Mike. Um,

810
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:30,880
Todd Isaac and I were were on a team's
call with him the other week and he

811
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:35,760
said, "I am frequently told that you
cannot have crystal clear water if it

812
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:40,960
comes through the UV process." And I
always tell people, Boiling Springs uses

813
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:46,080
UV bulbs and their water is sparkling
crystal clear. And that is the

814
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:50,560
reputation that we want to have. Um, and
so that is what we kept in mind as we

815
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:56,159
looked at recommending water sewer
increases.

816
01:11:53,120 --> 01:12:01,600
Um I promise to be brief and so you all
have before you two options option A

817
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:06,320
which is to levy that add the alarm rate
of 41 cents per 100 a 6 and a half%

818
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:14,560
increase in the water sewer rate and
adopting the proposed feed schedule. Um

819
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:19,760
that option allocates $33,000 to a
capital reserve line there in the budget

820
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:22,800
which would be used for a trash truck.
That is the option that staff

821
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:29,199
recommends.
Um option B is to levy the adalore rate

822
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:33,120
at 40 cents 6 and a half% increase in
the water sewer rates and the adoption

823
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:39,280
of the attached fee schedule. The only
difference in the two options is that

824
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:43,840
option A includes the additional penny
on the rate and that money then goes to

825
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:48,719
the capital reserve for potential
purchase of a trash truck. And with

826
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:53,120
that, Mr. Mayor, I conclude our Thank
you. Is there anyone from the public

827
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:56,159
signed up to speak regarding the budget?
Nobody signed up for the public hearing.

828
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:59,960
Y'all had me read that statement at the
beginning. I thought we were going to

829
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,960
get

830
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:08,320
uh council comments, questions. Of
course, this is something that we spent

831
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:12,960
a lot of hours with and I know there's
probably some

832
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:18,480
um desire to move forward with one or
the other, but as always, your

833
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:23,600
thoughtful discussion is I respect it
and appreciate it. So, uh with that,

834
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,920
floor is open for whoever wants to
comment or ask questions.

835
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:32,080
I I'll comment
as as I've stated before, I'm in favor

836
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:39,120
41.
$33,000 reserve

837
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:44,440
because uh I think
how much new how much would a new

838
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,440
garbage truck cost Mike

839
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:51,679
$250.
So 250 $300

840
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:55,199
if if we had to purchase a new truck
today,

841
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:59,120
we'd be looking at raising taxes 10
cents,

842
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:04,000
wouldn't we?
So I think if we're going to be

843
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:09,440
proactive, we need to start having some
money put back. Also, we're in danger of

844
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:15,440
our fund balance to be falling below
that amount.

845
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:21,440
I know you look up there and probably
majority of the citizens look 40 or 41.

846
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:24,800
I'll take 40. But I think it I think if
they if they really understand what

847
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:31,520
we're doing with that is rather than
having a drastic property tax increase

848
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:36,320
when that happens then we have
been proactive in preparing for that and

849
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:44,159
not
be looking at a steep increase.

850
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:49,199
I also
council

851
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:53,840
41. I was on the council when we started
putting money back and boy we were glad

852
01:14:52,000 --> 01:15:00,239
we put it back when we had to get that
garbage truck. We had to put extra money

853
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:05,360
in. We had something to start.
So I think that all things that we

854
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:10,480
didn't want to do
the citizens of springs which got

855
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,719
things in there and I don't know what we
cut out

856
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,280
further comments or questions.

857
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:25,040
So, we're just doing comments now. We're
not we're not motioning for anything.

858
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:31,520
So, my comments would be to to go with
the option B, the 40 cents. Um,

859
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:37,600
we're talking about that 33,000 I think
it is go forward to trash truck.

860
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:42,480
We pretty much got that money for uh
that we didn't have on the budget for

861
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:46,320
the retail strategies that Cleveland
County gave us. If we were going to cut

862
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:54,480
anything, it was going to be retail
strategies. Retail strategies got funded

863
01:15:49,199 --> 01:16:01,560
through the county. So, u I I say I I
would comment that I would lean towards

864
01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:01,560
the 40 cent rather than 40. Option B.

865
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:12,320
So how does the that 48,000 that was was
going to be allocated? We could to

866
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:18,239
change we can change any of those
numbers now and we can make an amendment

867
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:23,760
saying we want to put a line of 35,000
for recreation or parttime whatever and

868
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:27,920
we could allocate 13,000 from that
toward

869
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:31,520
trash.
I mean we we could make some

870
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:36,480
recommendations to change stuff like
One thing that I don't know that I agree

871
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:42,800
with in the budget is 3% 3% merit. I
would suggest 3% 2% merit 1% which is

872
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:50,239
roughly $12,000
11,000 something

873
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:56,679
11,000 with 13,000 $24,000 for a trash
and we still accomplish the same thing

874
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:56,679
by having 24,000 set aside

875
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:04,320
and
on the hunt.

876
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:08,880
But it reduces that 48,000 recreation
down to where we have 35,000 and there's

877
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:12,880
a lot of consideration going in that
compete with the YMCA on providing

878
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:19,440
baseball league. What does that look
like? Do we then charge fee if the YMCA

879
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:22,239
wants to use the baseball
league and that generates revenue?

880
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:26,320
There's a lot of lot of things could
happen with that. or we just setting

881
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:30,719
aside $48,000 to say we're going to do
something recreation

882
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:35,040
and I'm not I don't know that I would
agree just let that money just sit there

883
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:40,679
for
so I don't know that's just my ide

884
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:50,800
for me would be 40 looking at reducing
some of this funding and it's not that

885
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:55,640
I'm not promp employee I just think what
I'm looking at across the board 5%

886
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:01,760
cost everything 5%. I mean I know that
still affects the bottom line but that

887
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,920
that gives the town some money to be
able to put in reserve for trash and

888
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:08,920
accomplish our goals without heavy
taxation.

889
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:18,719
So, so you were saying that you'd want
to change the budget to say 2% from

890
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:24,800
three to two
uh 3% cola 2% merit and then that that

891
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:30,960
1% saving add that to capital reserve
for which I think is 11,000 12,000

892
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:33,840
I think it's 11600 now we went off
memory.

893
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:38,800
Yes. 11600 plus 13,000 would give us
$24,600 that we can put aside. That's

894
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:43,040
that's a pretty good
And I think that would be something that

895
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:49,480
I would like to see. But that's just my
opinion of trying to crunch numbers and

896
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,480
trying to be a good steward of dollars

897
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:59,280
because we do need to set aside.
But with the YMCA agreement going to

898
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:02,880
end, what do we do? I mean, either we
need to earmark that money for a project

899
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:06,800
specific purpose or what's what's the
plan now?

900
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:11,679
I'd like to $1,000. We can discuss that
later. That there that we don't need to

901
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:17,679
decide where that money goes tonight.
I don't I agree, but I have a question

902
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:23,920
that would be in I don't know in that
discussion. Could that $48,000 go to It

903
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:32,080
would be in park to recreation would it
not? Could it go to uh the some upgraded

904
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:38,159
park? It can. It can go to whatever. So
the 40,000. So if you all will look at

905
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:44,400
the budget that it's got FY2425 budget
ordinance, it doesn't matter which one

906
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:51,199
you look at, you all are telling Rhonda
and many would agree, but most that you

907
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:57,440
are that you are accepting that a column
we're getting this much money, but that

908
01:19:53,360 --> 01:20:05,280
you put that money in these spaces
and that's all you're doing. So if we

909
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:12,080
Rhonda and I move up to 10% of a total
account out. And so like if you all said

910
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:18,000
to me, Zach, we want to take of the 48 I
Rhonda and I can take up to 26,000

911
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:21,440
roughly out of that 48,000 without it
ever coming to you. So you can say,

912
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:26,480
"Hey, we want to do this." It doesn't
require a budget amendment. Ronda and I

913
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:31,280
can move that money without much hoopla.
anything over that 10% threshold between

914
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:37,520
the departments, Rhonda and I will come
to you all and say we are moving X

915
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:44,040
amount of dollars from recreation to
trash truck reserve or whatever you all

916
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,040
choose

917
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:49,880
as long as I get the non.
But is the line,000?

918
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:57,360
It says YMCA contract with the line
item. The state doesn't allow us to

919
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:02,080
budget by line item.
And so though you all have seen the line

920
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:05,199
items, those are not reflected at all in
the budget or

921
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:09,360
you contracted services.
It's contracted services YMCA, but you

922
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:16,320
all are just putting them into big
buckets. these buckets and then Rhonda

923
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:20,000
and I move them interchangeably between
items. So it we could put in there

924
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:26,400
whatever we want to and call it
whatever. We can move them around

925
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:30,080
with no issue. So we don't earark money
in the same way that in the traditional

926
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:34,480
sense where it has to be used for that
purpose. That's not that's not an action

927
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:38,560
that you all are taking. If you want to
do that, we can. There's a another way

928
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:43,600
that we do that.
What about under expended accounts.

929
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:47,920
If we get toward the end of the year,
those underexpended accounts, can any of

930
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:54,239
that money be
earmarked for trash?

931
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:59,440
We can as we uh so I think probably and
what normally happens is at the end of

932
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:02,719
the year, so June 30, Mary Grace will
get all the auto paperwork together and

933
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:09,280
start compiling that and then all of
that any overages where we have more

934
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:16,480
revenues than those undered
to fund balance automatically. Now, if

935
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:21,199
you want to say we need to restrict x
amount of $33,000 for a trash and I

936
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:23,760
don't want anyone to touch that money,
then that's a that's a different ball

937
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,560
game.
That's a restricted.

938
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:31,520
Yes.
Right. Then it comes out of that regular

939
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:38,480
that regular pot and it goes into its
own separate account there.

940
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:45,120
You have any idea about
how much that might be unexpended.

941
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:49,600
I do not not right now. I don't
Would it be a substantial amount? Would

942
01:22:46,719 --> 01:22:53,840
it be I mean just from years past maybe.
I'm not I'm not

943
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:59,040
Gosh, every year so different. Um
this year has been pretty tight, but

944
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:04,560
we've had some
um vacancies in the police department

945
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:08,480
budget. So, I'm still trying to hit
moving targets at this point. I have

946
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:12,159
some accounts that need some money, some
accounts that have some money. So, this

947
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,679
is that time of year where I'm hitting
moving targets

948
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:19,600
before the
right now. Yes, it is.

949
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:24,239
Yes, sir.
How about lap salaries? How is that

950
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:31,840
treated? You have a you have a position
vacant for a month, two months.

951
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:39,360
How can we treat lap salary dollars? So
that is um like with the upfit to the

952
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:44,239
old the old post office what will become
Hannah there's in the police department

953
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:48,480
there was a because there were two
positions that were not filled until

954
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:53,199
recently. So there was extra money in
salaries. Well Rhonda and I can pull

955
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:57,920
that out and put it somewhere else so
long as it's under the 10% of the total

956
01:23:54,960 --> 01:24:02,000
account. Um we can do that. So that's
how we did not have to do a fund balance

957
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:06,239
appropriation to cover the up and
renovation of that building because we

958
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:10,400
use salary money that was left over to
plug that hole. And so that's what we do

959
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:16,480
on items that
lines where they have gone over. We can

960
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:22,639
just internally move that again as long
as it's not over the 10%.

961
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:28,639
And so Ron and I make those adjustments
as needed to, you know, I'll give you

962
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:34,239
the prime example. Street lighting is
going to be over. Uh because Doom Energy

963
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:38,239
is going up, you know, that left and
right. And so we are we have to just

964
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:43,280
naturally find money somewhere in the
budget to plug that hole. And the merit

965
01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:48,719
is a a natural place where we can do
that. So by having money allocated to

966
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:53,679
the merit bonus
um we're able to have more flexibility

967
01:24:51,520 --> 01:25:00,679
and we can use that money to fill in the
gaps with whatever issues may arise that

968
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,679
that we don't budget for.

969
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:10,639
I can agree with Councilman Thomas on
the 40 rate and a 5% raise. I think the

970
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:13,639
5% is consistent with
municipalities

971
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:23,920
across the state of North Carolina.
There'll be a lot of people They don't

972
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:28,239
get 3% 4%.
But

973
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:33,880
they're going to have to fund all the
increases that potentially pass this

974
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,880
budget.

975
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:45,360
So I have a question, I guess.
So what we're looking at now is adding a

976
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:51,040
third option, option C, which is just
like option B except for the merit. Is

977
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:57,719
that correct?
So I guess possibly we'll have three

978
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,719
votes possibly.

979
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:07,719
Are there any other comments or
questions before we end the

980
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:16,159
not in favor of
reducing from six to five. And you know,

981
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:20,239
I know
I and I don't I don't mean it's exactly

982
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:23,760
like it sounds, but to me, I'm not
worried about what everybody else is

983
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:28,400
doing. To me, I'm looking at what I
think we need to be doing. And I think

984
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:32,639
we have examples all over the board
where we can't find people fill

985
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:39,719
positions. And I think one way you do
that is by treating them well when they

986
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:39,719
get here. So

987
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:47,880
I'm in favor of of the proposal budget
as it was far as

988
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:56,159
I think you had projected like 2.3%. I
mean because of the longevity of the

989
01:26:54,000 --> 01:27:00,560
employees and stuff like that not
everybody's going to receive.

990
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:07,040
Yes sir.
Not rest assured if it is 2% not

991
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:12,560
everyone will receive 2%. We are running
a meritocracy here at the town of

992
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:18,880
Springs. Um and so when you say to me we
put in 2% 3% 12% merit. What you are

993
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:22,880
saying is every employee does not get
that or we would have called it a cost

994
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:27,199
of living adjustment.
And the town's been really good in the

995
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:32,719
past few years
with inflation several things. ARPA

996
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:38,000
funds we've done 7% I think at point and
continue to look at percentages.

997
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:43,280
Is that not correct? Couple years ago 7%
last year it was 7%

998
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:45,920
and uh so so we I definitely agree with
Mr.

999
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:50,360
circumstance. We want to continue to
retain good employees and

1000
01:27:52,880 --> 01:28:01,239
maybe that's why police department
it had been pulled in.

1001
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,239
Yeah, there's a lot of variage.

1002
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:16,239
Yeah, it's a whole package but we looked
at adding um insurance plans and

1003
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:22,320
different things. So, so I think in
general the the board has been extremely

1004
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:27,600
promployed and trying to keep the stable
workforce. I I don't think that would if

1005
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:31,199
reducing it that 1% this year to say
that they're not fulfilling their

1006
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:36,960
obligations. It's just we have other
financial obligations. We're trying to

1007
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:42,960
spread spread the budget as we can
still providing that 5% increase

1008
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:47,159
$1,000
$1,600 is that

1009
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:51,639
it goes towards something.

1010
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:09,120
Any other questions before we difficult
close the public hearing

1011
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:13,840
continue to have discussions? Mr. Park,
I have a um so if

1012
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:23,520
I'm open to whatever uh you all leave
that indirect. If we are going to make

1013
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:28,239
these adjustments,
we cannot approve the ordinance as it is

1014
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:32,239
written because you have to tell us
exactly how much money Rhonda can put in

1015
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:37,760
every bucket. So, we'll need to meet
again. I think that the same thing can

1016
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:45,280
be accomplished
by approving option B.

1017
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:51,199
Then we can do a proposed budget
amendment at our next meeting.

1018
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,920
So that would be before July.
Well, so if we approve option B tonight,

1019
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:59,440
that sets the rate at 40 cents, which I
think Councilman Thomas is what I

1020
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:04,400
understood
more.

1021
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:10,480
Okay. And so then we set it at 40 cents
and that does not fund a trash truck.

1022
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:16,719
But if that is council's desire, when we
reconvene either July one or whenever.

1023
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:23,600
You all can then say to to Miss Allen
and myself, we want to take what would

1024
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:26,800
have been $48,000
in the um

1025
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:32,159
YMCA
in the YMCA general and take 33 of that

1026
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:36,320
and put it in the trash truck fund. Does
that make sense? And then I can also

1027
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:42,639
norm
the um I can build in and norm the merit

1028
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:46,800
based increases
because you the personnel policy gives

1029
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:52,800
me discretion over creating the rubric
by which we assess merit based increases

1030
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:59,600
and so I develop that that rubric. I can
norm that so that um we we give out a 2%

1031
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:04,560
max. I can do that without it being an
issue if that's what you all want to do.

1032
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:09,040
That way we you're not coming back in
another week or two because Ron and I if

1033
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:12,000
we do start rearranging things these
numbers on the page are going to change

1034
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:18,239
and Ron and I have to the numbers have
to be correct for the major assignment.

1035
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:21,520
So you can nor it's 2%. I can understand
that.

1036
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:25,920
I I think it is important to state that
the reason why uh the increases have

1037
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:31,199
happened over the past couple of years
for staff pay and and benefits is

1038
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:37,920
because with the salary studies we had
done we were well below uh m

1039
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:42,560
municipalities of our comparable
municipalities. So I I don't it's it's

1040
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:47,280
not as if we have just been boosting
salaries for the heck of it. we are

1041
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:52,560
trying to catch up and still are not
caught up. Um I do I do think it's worth

1042
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:54,560
uh mentioning that. So that's that's all
we're

1043
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:59,120
Yeah, we were not we're not even to this
point.

1044
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:03,360
I I have one other and I probably don't
know how I feel about it, but if if

1045
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:06,400
we're going to start moving that $48,000
and everybody's on agreement here that

1046
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:12,400
doesn't matter what the Y does, they
come back and you know want to

1047
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:16,679
renegotiate and that that door's closed,
we're spending the money somewhere else.

1048
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:23,679
I mean, I just everybody needs to know,
you know, we start moving that money and

1049
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:28,280
even if like we tabled it tonight or
something and it like

1050
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:36,000
our attorney says,
uh, that doesn't preclude us from

1051
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:39,280
starting all over from scratch if they
come back if if that's the desire. But I

1052
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:45,280
just want to make sure everybody
understands if we move that money out,

1053
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:49,120
we're pretty well saying at least for
the next year or we got to come up with

1054
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,760
that money somewhere.
We haven't moved any money out at this

1055
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:57,040
time.
And we will not move any money out until

1056
01:32:54,000 --> 01:33:01,760
you all meet. So that 48
if we and I may be just reading the

1057
01:32:59,679 --> 01:33:05,440
desire. If if you would like us to
rewrite the ordinance, we gladly will do

1058
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:10,400
that. that will just require us to meet
again in toward the end of June. If

1059
01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:12,480
that's what you all want to do, that's
perfectly fine, too.

1060
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,800
Yeah.
But my my point was maybe they don't

1061
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:20,320
come back till
August

1062
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:24,159
and the money's
and the money's gone. We already that's

1063
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:27,600
too late
and and I'm okay with that myself. I

1064
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:31,239
just want to make sure everybody
understands, you know,

1065
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:38,480
let's um let's close the public hearing
and then we can move on with motions and

1066
01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:42,199
discussion and action. So we'll close
the public hearing at 85.

1067
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:54,960
What's the pleasure of the council
regarding the budget for this year?

1068
01:33:50,320 --> 01:34:04,880
Well, I motion that we adopt motion.
All right, councilman Wood

1069
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:04,880
with a motion for option B.

1070
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,520
Is there a second?

1071
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:26,560
Hearing none.
That fails. I move we adopt option A.

1072
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:32,639
All right. Councilman Green.
A motion to adopt

1073
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:38,920
option A. Councilman Ellis with
The second

1074
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:38,920
discussion from council.

1075
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:54,639
Any comments? We have a motion and a
second on the table.

1076
01:34:52,159 --> 01:35:00,639
With no comments or discussion, we'll
call the question. All those in favor

1077
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:06,400
say I. And let's do raise your hand so
that we can

1078
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:15,400
All those opposed like sign. So that
fails. So we have

1079
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:15,400
failed on option A and option B. Um

1080
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:24,400
so we will now have perhaps another
option. Uh but this is going to require

1081
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:28,080
we'll need to set a date.
We're going to have subsequent budget.

1082
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:32,480
Yeah. We'll have to have a we have to
get this done before July 1.

1083
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:38,159
Uh and we have to have 10 days or
whatever when we present the new

1084
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:43,440
document. Uh and so we'll have to
uh once we figure out well I guess we

1085
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:48,080
could we could come up with what we want
to present in the document tonight and

1086
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:53,360
that could be hashed out or we could not
and then we'd have to have another

1087
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:58,560
meeting before
uh so uh back to council. I guess you

1088
01:35:55,679 --> 01:36:01,560
could enter another
Another

1089
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:09,760
motion for option two.
No, I mean I guess we could return back.

1090
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:13,719
I mean, so since we proposed both of
those, could we not have another

1091
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:19,960
option or

1092
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:28,080
I'm not sure about option B because
there was not a second.

1093
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:33,400
Motion was reconsidered.
my

1094
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:33,400
one time.

1095
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:37,159
Um,

1096
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:44,040
you would have to reconsider.

1097
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,639
So, option

1098
01:36:50,480 --> 01:37:02,679
option A is now because it failed. So it
is beyond.

1099
01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:02,679
Yes. Uh option B

1100
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:09,880
it failed for lack of a second but it
wasn't necessarily voted down. I

1101
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:18,080
think I think it'll have to be a change.
I think whoever made the motion

1102
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:24,840
potentially make a change. I think
failed failed for

1103
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:24,840
that motion did for sure.

1104
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:31,280
But it's still going to require you to
come back.

1105
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:36,000
So, Councilman Wood would need to modify
his motion.

1106
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:42,000
I wouldn't know what to modify because
if I modify it, I'm going to make it I'm

1107
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:49,199
going to make it option C with changing
the u uh the cost of living, leaving it

1108
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:55,520
the same, and changing the uh the merit
raise 2% which Mark uh Councilman Thomas

1109
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:59,679
uh mentioned that you said if we did
that we'd have to come back even

1110
01:37:57,199 --> 01:38:03,119
right I think the mayor was saying
pretty

1111
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,360
we could tell what we want to do we have
to come back

1112
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:08,719
right
kind

1113
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:13,000
discussion like we had
especially budget discussion it sounds

1114
01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:22,719
for you to come back you would crunch
the number based on just like you did

1115
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:29,920
with a budget discussions you're doing a
motion the next whenever

1116
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:38,719
the substantive change I think from B
could potentially be that we option B

1117
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:45,840
with the addition of a $33,000
just to move $33,000 from the recreation

1118
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:51,119
budget and put it into
the um

1119
01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:55,679
sanitation budget or solid waste. if you
wanted to put it in the the trash truck

1120
01:38:53,520 --> 01:39:00,159
item line item.
I don't know.

1121
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:03,560
Would that be a because that's a change
in the motion.

1122
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:11,639
I don't I think I think you're going to
have to come back.

1123
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:21,199
So June 25th,
uh the 18th is the planning board

1124
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:29,360
meeting. So we are not bound to
Tuesdays. Um, we can do the 13th. That

1125
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:34,080
is a Thursday. Well, well I have we
decided we got to come

1126
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:37,199
decide not to meet again.
Yeah.

1127
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:42,080
Gentlemen, we've we've been at this for
a dozen hours now.

1128
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:46,639
Can we not? not a his
we've been at this for a dozen hours

1129
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:50,239
and with the motions on the table, no
one was offering any comments and we're

1130
01:39:48,719 --> 01:39:53,119
just kind of spinning our wheels here.
I agree.

1131
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:57,280
And it's it's just a little bit
disappointing. Now, please go ahead,

1132
01:39:54,960 --> 01:40:00,320
Council L.
And I think we all knew what the two

1133
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:02,960
options were going to be when we got
here.

1134
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:08,880
And and I didn't need any comment
because that's what I voted on. A

1135
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:12,960
Yeah, we got a second. There was no
comments from me because I knew what I

1136
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:17,600
wanted and I think I'm not speaking for
council green but that those two votes

1137
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:23,440
were there.
Now what what do we need? I I'm confused

1138
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:27,840
on what's
was that I mean are you asking for that

1139
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:34,239
report? I mean I'm just you're going to
have to come to you know basically

1140
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:40,080
either a budget meeting now or or or
sometime enough time 10 days notice to

1141
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:45,080
you know vote again you know have
something present to the counter for the

1142
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,080
public review.

1143
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:55,000
just mean
to further hash this out.

1144
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:01,360
My goal record is saying whatever is
brought back, I'm going to vote against

1145
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:05,960
it,
but I'll support whatever the vote is.

1146
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:18,280
I'm happy to
continue resolutions if we can't come to

1147
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:18,280
the

1148
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:26,800
There are um though every day that we go
after July 1st that we're in a

1149
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:30,639
continuing resolution the expenses of
that day are immediately deducted from

1150
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:36,800
our funds upon the passage of the
budget.

1151
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:44,560
Is is it possible to take a five minute
recess and find out if a

1152
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:49,840
motion fails to get a second can
actually

1153
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:56,760
So, so do we need a motion for a
fiveminut recess? Is there a motion for

1154
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:56,760
a fiveinut recess? Motion for five.

1155
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,760
Maybe

1156
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:24,600
brick
river.

1157
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:51,639
This is all
I do.

1158
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:56,600
Like I said,

1159
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:11,000
appreciate you coming

1160
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:19,000
up.
Reconider

1161
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:19,000
motion.

1162
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:55,000
So that's
that's different.

1163
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:38,520
Yeah, he can't.
Whatever he says.

1164
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,239
You can't

1165
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,000
process

1166
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:01,000
the issue.

1167
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:07,400
failed.
Canision

1168
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:26,040
problem with that is because

1169
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,159
I mean seriously.

1170
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:20,639
How's the Kit Kat today?
Good.

1171
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:25,760
Took it to the vet and
his paw.

1172
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:28,639
He sent a picture.
Oh,

1173
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:31,199
well, he's so stinking cute.
Leave Tyler alone. They say it was a

1174
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:35,280
boy.
I thought it was a boy, but tell him

1175
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:38,719
they're real little, but
Yeah,

1176
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:43,639
that's right. Um, but they didn't say
what was wrong with this.

1177
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,639
I didn't say

1178
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,840
what you're saying.

1179
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,239
I know, right?

1180
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:31,239
So, he's pretty healthy then.

1181
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:41,239
It's a little kitten. A
it got stuck in a car

1182
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:41,239
up in like the wheel. Well

1183
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:52,320
you got any pet?
I got all pet I need.

1184
01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:58,719
Okay.
Same. I got a few I can give away.

1185
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:02,159
My babies.
Every time Woody sends me another

1186
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:05,040
picture of another doll. Like that's
grounds. That's grounds.

1187
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:11,280
I thought you were talking about getting
rid of Woody. That's what I thought you

1188
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:14,639
got to get rid of.
Well, he'd probably go before my dogs.

1189
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:18,880
Don't tell him that.
Who causes more trouble around the

1190
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:24,719
house?
Depends on the day.

1191
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:29,159
I'm going to get my put up so
that way you can grow up with a dog.

1192
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,920
Yeah.

1193
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:58,719
We're calling the meeting back door
recesses ended. Um, with with no second,

1194
01:48:54,400 --> 01:49:06,320
it is as if the motion never happened
and could be brought back up. Uh, if

1195
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:11,360
there is a desire for that, just to put
that on the table. The the option A was

1196
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:18,000
voted down
uh 3 to two and so it cannot be

1197
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:24,320
reconsidered. Option B because there was
no second was as it is as if it never

1198
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:29,360
occurred
um and can maybe be in introduced again.

1199
01:49:27,679 --> 01:49:34,719
Can the same person introduce it?
So someone had to

1200
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:40,320
you can kind of treat this as as a as a
motion to reconsider if the prevailing

1201
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:44,880
side. Well, there's no so anybody can
make a motion

1202
01:49:42,639 --> 01:49:52,600
clean slate.
Well, I make the motion to reconsider

1203
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:52,600
option B. All right. Councilman Woodri

1204
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:57,000
it's not reconsideration.

1205
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:07,520
Okay. I make the motion once again that
we uh approve option B.

1206
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:12,000
All right. Council with a motion for
option B. Is there a second?

1207
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:17,360
Second.
Second from Councilman Thomas.

1208
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:21,920
Is there discussion
for option B?

1209
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:30,639
I want to hear back from the manager
again about the possibility of

1210
01:50:26,639 --> 01:50:36,719
the 3% raise and how to change that into
roots to 2% down the road if we would

1211
01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:42,440
amend a budget possibly amend the budget
down the road. Let's talk about

1212
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:42,440
marriage.

1213
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:52,159
Yeah,
I came from you.

1214
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:56,400
It did come from I mean I can I can do
that. I can say hey y'all guess what bad

1215
01:50:54,480 --> 01:51:02,480
news three if you got to get 100 to get
3%. Right. And no one's going to get

1216
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:07,280
100. So I can do that now. But the
reason that the budget is normed at an

1217
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:12,159
expense level
and so the revenues I mean if you go

1218
01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:17,920
later and amend the budget and you were
to say

1219
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:22,800
to me I want you to figure out what 1%
merit is that we budgeted for across the

1220
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:26,639
board and take that from the individual
salary lines allocated to each

1221
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:29,920
department because that that's what
you're asking. Um,

1222
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:37,360
that's what I understood. You said,
"Yes, I mean, and I can I can do that.

1223
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:43,560
Um, is there a place that you would want
the approximate one $11,600 to go?"

1224
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:54,159
We can do that. I mean, that certainly
can. Um, you wouldn't need to

1225
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:59,199
I mean, you can amend the budget to move
money into a reserve line item at

1226
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:02,800
anytime.
Okay,

1227
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:08,520
that requires three people to agree on.
But I mean obviously it either happens

1228
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:08,520
or it

1229
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:17,199
answers my question.
What he's saying is like weren't able to

1230
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:20,719
do that.
Yes.

1231
01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:24,880
Yes, sir.
Any other comments, discussion, or

1232
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:28,880
questions?
Option B has a motion.

1233
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:39,520
If none we will call the question on
option B. All those in favor say I.

1234
01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:46,480
I.
All right. And those opposed?

1235
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:52,040
Okay. That carries three to two.
So option B is adopted.

1236
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:55,400
All right.

1237
01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:03,840
Thank you for your patience.
Um,

1238
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:06,840
Mr. Parker. Yes, sir.
Um,

1239
01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:13,679
couple things here. So, I've already
talked about over the summer months.

1240
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:17,280
We're going to work on reviewing uh some
ordinance information. I'm going to skip

1241
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:22,080
that one. The town of Baltimore would
like me to convey a thank you to the

1242
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:29,520
town council for not increasing their
base sewer rate uh this year. Um Kim

1243
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:34,719
Duran and Renee Welsh are in Mon at the
Southeast Tourism Marketing College. TDA

1244
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:37,520
sent both of these individuals and Kim
will graduate with her three-year

1245
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:42,639
certificate in tourism marketing and
festivals and event planning and she

1246
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:47,520
asked me to tell you all about that um
and to thank you for our continued

1247
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:52,719
support to the TDA. The TA had an intern
this spring who worked on media contact

1248
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:59,280
list, itineraries, etc. But uh an
important item of note, the TDA is now

1249
01:53:55,280 --> 01:54:02,880
suspending uh grant applications due to
some uncertainty around the American

1250
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:07,920
hotel.
Um

1251
01:54:05,440 --> 01:54:13,280
sign update. We have a new battery that
we are testing out. It is a lithium

1252
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:17,599
battery um on the monument sign on West
College. We purchased that. that came in

1253
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:23,360
and was installed yesterday. Um, and
Mike can monitor the battery on an app

1254
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:28,880
from his telephone. So, he will be doing
that to see it alerts him to when it is

1255
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:34,880
dead. That would be of interest. Uh, the
town won the 2020 Ford Vision Zero

1256
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:38,960
Safety Award for hitting the ground
running and making strides and keeping

1257
01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:43,679
momentum. So, I wanted to share that
with all of you. Related to our

1258
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:48,080
continued support of uh Vision Zero
Communities,

1259
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:54,239
does the uh is there a desire on the
board to not have the July meeting is my

1260
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:59,320
last item that requires a vote from you
all to cancel that meeting if you so

1261
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:59,320
desire.

1262
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:03,760
And with that, Mr.

1263
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:15,199
All right. Uh, is there any appetite to
push the next meeting until August?

1264
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:19,920
Uh, seeing that we've met several times
in May, not only for the council, but

1265
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:23,159
for the staff.
We're scheduing

1266
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:31,480
that one in August is August 6th.

1267
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:38,119
motion

1268
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:49,599
council Thomas with a motion second from
Council Ellis. Discussion on that

1269
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:54,719
matter.
All those in favor say I. I.

1270
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:59,360
Likewise. Okay.
That passes unanimously. Um we will go

1271
01:55:57,040 --> 01:56:03,760
from right to left tonight. Council
Green

1272
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:09,040
just like to commend the staff on all
the hard work on the budget. I know

1273
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:13,360
haven't done that for 18 years. That is
not an easy task and

1274
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:20,400
I want to commend you on the job that
you do and how you do it. Uh the only

1275
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:27,040
other thing is I had a GCL meeting went
well. Uh council Linton would know that

1276
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:34,719
I was elected vice chair of that. Well,
the chair

1277
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:40,880
relocated. So I am now on the chair.
Found out in my last meeting, but

1278
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:45,280
so things are going well there. Highway
funds, you know, all the a lot of good

1279
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:49,040
projects and we have some good ones
there. There's no money, you know,

1280
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:53,679
they're really struggling with more
electric vehicles, not paying road tax.

1281
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:59,360
The road tax is really really suffering.
That's a that's a dilemma really dilemma

1282
01:56:56,080 --> 01:57:03,840
for the country not just for for North
Carolina but

1283
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:07,000
keeping along maybe somewhere we'll get
some money

1284
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:17,280
and the foot meeting is next week
and not present so I'll be on approve

1285
01:57:14,639 --> 01:57:23,800
next week
far away that's all I got

1286
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:23,800
Thomas

1287
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:32,080
This budget cycle has been a challenging
time and I'm just thankful to be working

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01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:37,679
with this group of individuals and the
staff to be able to come up with some

1289
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:41,599
options for the town and it's very
difficult to consider all the different

1290
01:57:39,679 --> 01:57:45,119
pieces and how they fit in. So I'm
thankful that we can have discussions

1291
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:48,960
and
work through these

1292
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:53,199
when Rhonda was talking about financials
and things earlier. I just want to say a

1293
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:59,199
special thank you to her. She
She looks after town in a great way. I

1294
01:57:56,080 --> 01:58:05,760
appreciate that.
I attended the Ruby Hunt YMCA advisory

1295
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:12,440
board meeting just recently. And I came
away from that meeting discouraged and

1296
01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:12,440
sort of felt like the end of

1297
01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:22,159
I want to express my thanks to the YMCA
and to really and to the previous town

1298
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:27,520
council members who saw that through
that facility and to have that as a part

1299
01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:33,360
of our community
consider where we go with recreation and

1300
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:38,239
what we're going to do and how we fund
and it's just not always easy easy

1301
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:44,000
decision but I'm thankful to be here and
working through many different steps

1302
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:50,000
thank you to the staff
regress me I'd like to have read to the

1303
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:54,880
record that talk with some of the other
board members who

1304
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:59,280
made the point to let me know that
Council Thomas represented as well. They

1305
01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:04,639
were very impressed with the way he
conducted himself and the way he

1306
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:08,599
presented our issues. So, I think that
our becom

1307
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:17,679
No, I don't think what I understand you
didn't fail at all. I think you did a

1308
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:22,719
great job.
And if it was because of something I

1309
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:22,719
said or something I did,

1310
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:30,480
Nobody I've talked to a couple and
nobody has indicated that to me at all.

1311
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:35,040
Excellent. Council
thank you to Rhonda and staff for

1312
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:39,840
working on the budget. Rhonda, thank you
for answering questions. They're not

1313
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:43,560
pointing at you. We're just you just
happen to be the person.

1314
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:50,320
I didn't at first I didn't see you
tonight. I thought who's going to answer

1315
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:54,400
the question? So I'm glad we're here. I
appreciate you answering that. Uh if

1316
01:59:52,719 --> 01:59:59,679
there was any information that came out
of that web followup, I'd like to see

1317
01:59:56,800 --> 02:00:05,440
that at some point, please.
Uh I would also like to

1318
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:10,719
look at the original agreement between
the Y and the T if

1319
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:16,080
I need to come over here and dig through
the minutes. I'll do

1320
02:00:13,199 --> 02:00:20,480
I would like to see
the very first one.

1321
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:25,119
The very first one.
graduated

1322
02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:30,960
scale as far as
was that 2007 2008

1323
02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:36,119
or 8 n somewhere in that ballpark I
think right I don't know who I look

1324
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:41,360
I also did online
we'll find it

1325
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:45,280
we can find it I mean don't put it top
of the priority list but I mean if you

1326
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:51,920
can find it or if I need to come over
here and search I'll be glad to

1327
02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:55,599
Can you narrow down for me on that
website

1328
02:00:53,520 --> 02:01:01,040
follow up? Are there specific things
that you're looking at?

1329
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:07,080
Well, the town and regard
meeting with any kind of minutes or

1330
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:07,080
anything that came out of that.

1331
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:20,080
I was just curious.
That's all. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

1332
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:24,880
Councilman Wood.
Uh, yeah. I was I was thinking when I

1333
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:31,280
got elected for this position that I
had, as I've gone through this, I had no

1334
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:35,599
idea what I had gotten myself into. Um,
I remember the day after I was elected,

1335
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:39,840
I drove through town and I thought, you
know, this is really my town. I make a

1336
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:43,040
difference in this town. And I felt a
little different. And I still feel a

1337
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:47,760
little different. But I'm telling you
what, this budget process, I guess now

1338
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:53,040
I'm a full-fledged council member for
the town of Springs, it's been tough.

1339
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:59,040
And the other council members have
talked about it's been tough. They've

1340
02:01:55,440 --> 02:02:04,880
been through other budget meetings or
going through other budgets. But these

1341
02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:08,639
guys, all of us, we may not agree on
everything, but when it's all done and

1342
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:13,679
said with, I think about what Councilman
Green said from the very beginning. Once

1343
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:16,800
the votes had, then we're still the
council and we're united with whatever

1344
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:20,960
the vote is. Whether we agree or
disagree, when the votes over with,

1345
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:24,560
we're one council. And I think we
represent the town of Orman Springs as

1346
02:02:22,639 --> 02:02:27,840
one council, not individuals on the
council. And I'm proud to serve with

1347
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:32,639
each and every one of these. And I'm
glad we got a mayor that'll

1348
02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:36,159
circle wagons and get us get us back in
the direction. I'm glad we got an

1349
02:02:34,159 --> 02:02:39,119
attorney that can help us get things
worked out where we don't have to have

1350
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:43,119
another budget meeting and start this
process over again. So, I'm just glad

1351
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:48,880
we're leaving here with with a voting on
budget tonight. So, I appreciate Ronda

1352
02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:54,320
and Tracy and
Isaac. And Rhonda, I'm gonna have to say

1353
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:59,639
about you.
You make Zach look a whole lot better

1354
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:59,639
than he really is.

1355
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:10,560
But no, we got we got we got a great
staff. Chief Phillips, everybody, Mike,

1356
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:14,560
the whole everybody. And I mean, I can't
say enough about how much we appreciate

1357
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:18,960
you all. I hope you don't feel bad that
maybe we took 1% of your merit raise

1358
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:24,159
away tonight.
We should feel bad. We didn't

1359
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:28,000
but I mean I I just I don't I don't want
them to feel underappreciated or

1360
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:32,080
underserved because we thank the world
of just say that's just that's all I got

1361
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:35,360
to say.
Thank you sir.

1362
02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:41,760
I think when I lay my head on that pill
I just think what a place to live.

1363
02:03:37,360 --> 02:03:46,320
Amen. I mean, and our staff. I say it's
I want to take care of our staff because

1364
02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:51,520
they take care of us and our citizens
and uh and it's the leadership, Zach,

1365
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:55,040
and his position, but it's all the
people tonight, especially Rhonda, you

1366
02:03:53,360 --> 02:04:00,159
were kind of put on the spot for a
little bit, I thought, and you came

1367
02:03:56,960 --> 02:04:04,400
through with flying colors. I just I
think we live in the best town in

1368
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:08,639
America, and I still believe that I want
to live here. Thank you for taking care

1369
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:12,880
of us.
Can I

1370
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:18,719
So now that we have a budget, I think
it's important we communicate while we

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02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:22,400
have is there a way that we are
communicating

1372
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:26,639
the increases? People are going to ask
risk increases. I mean, is there a way

1373
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:30,000
that we can do that either
and some type of written communication,

1374
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:33,199
some type of something because
somebody's gonna say, "Hey, my water

1375
02:04:31,599 --> 02:04:37,199
bill went up.
I'm having to pay all this extra fees.

1376
02:04:35,599 --> 02:04:42,480
And I think if we get ahead of that and
we say, well, the reason we're doing

1377
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:47,679
this because we want to continue
the citizens. So, I don't know if that's

1378
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:53,840
something that's commonly done
or is that something we even want to do,

1379
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:59,840
but for me, sometimes it might
explain it to me. I got to see

1380
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:04,239
I think I think it's very valid. I think
we if we're going to remain united,

1381
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:08,560
I think we all need to be talking the
same thing. So, I I would I think it'd

1382
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:14,320
be great if you come up maybe some
bullet talking points for us. We're all

1383
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:16,880
We're not out there saying
I'm I'm not out there saying, "Well, I

1384
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:21,840
didn't I didn't book it."
It's not my

1385
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:26,960
I mean, you know, page 75 in our
wide proposed increase and it names 4%

1386
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:31,040
increase in from
the water the water's easy. I mean, the

1387
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:34,800
only thing I don't know, it says
increased lab fees, increased utility

1388
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:39,440
costs, inflationary pressures, increased
permitting costs from the state, but now

1389
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:44,239
the ongoing CIP efforts. I don't know if
I could tell my neighbor what that is.

1390
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:49,280
He probably didn't know either.
So, the 6 and 12% increase to water

1391
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:53,440
sewer, 4% came from the city of Shelby,
2% came from the North Carolina Rural

1392
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:59,280
Water Association's recommendation that
council approved and adopted a few years

1393
02:05:55,840 --> 02:06:06,000
ago. A two cent tax increase covers the
post office debt service of $102,000 a

1394
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:10,480
year less $33,000
approximately. Um which leaves us with

1395
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:18,560
about $66,000 that we're on the hook
for. And so that's that's the two cents.

1396
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:24,320
Mr. Mayor comment um no one came to look
at the budget. It was open. Did anybody

1397
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:28,400
come to see the budget? So that's that's
probably not happened a lot. And There

1398
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:33,280
wasn't very few people here about that.
But I I'm the same way. I think we need

1399
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:36,560
to be able to tell the people this is
why we're doing it. They may not agree

1400
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:39,920
with at least we can tell them this is
why. So I think that bullet like you're

1401
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:43,040
talking about is a good thing
and we can make something that goes in

1402
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:46,639
the newslet.
Well, I think that's good. I mean I

1403
02:06:45,119 --> 02:06:50,239
think we I think we all should be able
to defend whatever

1404
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:53,840
I think we should be defending it by the
same things. Exactly.

1405
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:57,599
And maybe maybe I don't and I don't
necessarily think we need to go out just

1406
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:59,520
I think it'd be good in the news, but I
think we should be prepared when they

1407
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:02,880
question.
Exactly.

1408
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:07,760
To be able to say well because some will
some will be concerned about the yard.

1409
02:07:05,679 --> 02:07:11,199
Some will be concerned about sewer rate.
So they'll be concerned about different

1410
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:15,760
things. So I think
and some will be concerned about the Y2.

1411
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:18,480
So my hope is that we can get ahead of
those things and it's about

1412
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:24,159
transparency. It's about open
communication. It's about what what we

1413
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:27,760
do and it's not an easy decision but
it's in the long run that we find some

1414
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:35,360
way of communicating that and that we
have a unified message and we're sorry

1415
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:38,480
that's not in the town manager letter
and that's probably the most thorough

1416
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:43,599
letter I've ever seen
it is

1417
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:46,880
I see a lot of people open their water
bill and they look at the water bill

1418
02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:50,159
they don't read that you know somebody
asked me something said well that was in

1419
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:54,560
the newsletter I had one guy said
Where'd you get that newsletter?

1420
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:59,119
Oh, you know, I'm serious. You didn't
need just got the bill out.

1421
02:07:57,119 --> 02:08:02,000
I said
I That's what I told him. I said, "You

1422
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:06,320
need to read it."
I like I prepared the budget graphics

1423
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:10,320
for you all that those kind of things. I
can We have that. That's not anything

1424
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:14,480
that's fancy or new or innovative. We
can prepare something like that that

1425
02:08:12,719 --> 02:08:19,520
says, "Hey, this is what your guard your
yard waist fee goes to this. These are

1426
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:24,560
the you know, if you want me to can
inflation. I could put sales tax goes

1427
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:29,760
rur whatever. So whatever I think you
all know I have a problem with depth. Um

1428
02:08:27,119 --> 02:08:34,239
so I will go into the weeds very quickly
and so I will have the staff read that

1429
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:39,360
and tell me where I need to cut but to
whatever level you all are comfortable.

1430
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:44,320
I mean I'm happy to do that. Yeah. Just
something basic and as transparent as we

1431
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:49,199
can be. So something needs to be sent
out as a draft. We can

1432
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:52,639
I guess give it a thumbs up.
That's important that we communicate

1433
02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:58,079
that because we don't have a whole lot
of people here. Maybe they're live

1434
02:08:54,320 --> 02:09:01,079
streaming. I don't know what.
Yeah.

1435
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:06,960
And so we, you know, I always think and
I ask my wife and I ask a lot of

1436
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:10,800
neighbors, do they know what really goes
on,

1437
02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:14,639
you know, and they like no,
but then we get asked a serious question

1438
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:17,679
by a few people and I just think it
would be very helpful. So

1439
02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:22,320
citizens and taxpayers should also be
more engaged. Anybody

1440
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:26,560
else?
All right. Um, a couple things before

1441
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:31,040
and then we we have a close session
together. Um, I really am looking

1442
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:35,360
forward to July 20th. Um, I know that
not to dismiss the jazz man coming up

1443
02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:38,960
this weekend, but uh, I've known Carl
Carti for quite a long time and so

1444
02:09:36,960 --> 02:09:42,320
having him back is uh, is going to be a
really big deal and that's going to be a

1445
02:09:40,719 --> 02:09:47,280
big day for the town as well because
that's our memorial for for Mr. Hinsley

1446
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:50,719
as well. Uh, July 20th, we got a little
bit of music. on that day. I'm right on

1447
02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:52,320
that day, am I?
You are.

1448
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:53,760
Are you serious?
Yeah.

1449
02:09:52,639 --> 02:09:59,119
Yes, sir. You are correct.
But then that will follow. All that will

1450
02:09:55,520 --> 02:10:05,920
follow and it'll be an amazing day. Um I
will say that the um most positive and

1451
02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:12,000
unified that I get feedback from from
the town is when the uh the green and

1452
02:10:08,639 --> 02:10:17,760
gold charger flags are flying in town.
And really what that is is a huge thank

1453
02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:22,400
you to the educators and
a a pat on the back to the students.

1454
02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:28,560
We're a town that's built on education.
Uh we have two of the finest elementary

1455
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:32,719
schools around in our town. Our middle
school, Crest High School, is number one

1456
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:37,520
in the county in terms of test scores.
Has been for the past several years. Um

1457
02:10:35,119 --> 02:10:43,440
we are only trailing elementary schools
who have fewer metrics. I just wanted to

1458
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:48,159
toot our horn just a little bit. Um but
so many of our kids are graduating and

1459
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:52,880
going to step on to campus and become
running bulldogs and we just support

1460
02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:58,560
each other. And to be a town that's
built on education is what I'm about. Uh

1461
02:10:56,079 --> 02:11:06,800
and and I'm so proud to be a part of the
entire package from prek all the way to

1462
02:11:03,199 --> 02:11:10,960
graduate school uh at Gardener Web. Um
so thank you to everyone who is involved

1463
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:17,520
in that. And finally, we've done a lot
of the respectful part of the respectful

1464
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:22,960
growth over the past eight years. Um,
we've been very careful and have been

1465
02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:27,119
very respectful and this budget steps
into the growth part. And I think that's

1466
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:31,199
why it has been painful because there
are really difficult decisions that

1467
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:36,000
we've had to make, tough choices, but
we're moving. We're moving places.

1468
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:41,520
Things are going to begin
to happen, right? Aren't they going to

1469
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:46,960
to happen. But seriously, I I apologize
if I lost a little bit of my temper. Um

1470
02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:52,159
I don't think I've ever hit that gabble
before.

1471
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:56,639
Good. Felt a little felt really good. I
didn't. But seriously, I always

1472
02:11:54,159 --> 02:12:02,159
appreciate the the the efforts that the
staff put in day in and day out. But I

1473
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:06,960
say it every week and I really don't say
it just to say it. the wisdom and

1474
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:11,760
forwardlooking
uh vision of this council. It is a

1475
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:15,520
privilege to get to work with. So, thank
you for what you've done. Thank you for

1476
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:22,320
the efforts that we've put in um and
honored. Um with that, we do need a

1477
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:26,960
motion. Got one more comment. I'd like
to say that how much we appreciate your

1478
02:12:24,719 --> 02:12:31,760
leaders. I think I think you do a fine
job and I think uh you get a little

1479
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:36,400
heated when you need to get a little
heated. I think you get us back on

1480
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:40,960
track. So, I think I think we should we
talk about the council, but I think

1481
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:43,360
you're you're kind of the head of the
pack here.

1482
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:46,480
We got the results. That's all.
You lead us. So,

1483
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:50,719
thank you, sir.
Uh, is there a motion to go into close

1484
02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:52,480
session? So, motion from Mr. Council
Thomas. Is there a second?

1485
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:57,040
Second.
Second from Council Green. Uh, all those

1486
02:12:54,800 --> 02:13:02,520
in favor say.
You guys are welcome to stick around.

1487
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Some of you have to stick around.

1488
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Yeah, we'll go in the we'll go in the
conference room uh if you guys need to

1489
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take a quick bathroom break. But listen,
we'll make it quick.

1490
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Three minutes. And
we've got a couple of issues. Mr.