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Hang on a second. Four three two one.
>> Please stand for the pledge. I'm gonna

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hide that

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allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> Thank you all for coming. Getting

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started at 7 p.m.

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All right.
Everyone had a chance to look at the

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agenda. That's
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» we'll have a motion to accept it.
>> So moved.

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» Second
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» Um

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» the agenda. I was saying do we have to
do we have to accept the agenda?

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» We don't but
>> we just did. Let's do

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» I did it.
>> How dare you, sir?

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» I said so moved.
>> That was impressive. I love the

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language.
>> Yeah.

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» Yes.
>> Um,

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» yes.
>> Damian.

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» Yes.
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» Okay. Thank you.

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» There are no budget amendments.
>> No budget amendments. We'll pass on.

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We'll go to old business. Uh, first of
all, we'd like to welcome Sally Sperry

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officially. She's our new treasurer.
sworn in last week and uh yeah, nothing

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salad.
>> Thank you.

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» Uh she's already tackling some problems
and actually some issues and making some

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improvements and I'll let her uh give
the floor to her to speak on behalf of

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that since that is now officially your
office. St.

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» Uh first of all, it's fun. I'm having a
good time. Ann Kennedy is a wonderful

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trainer, a good person to be working
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Diane has been extremely helpful and um
I walked into quite a bubble. Things are

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um
well, right now, let's put it this way.

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We are working very hard to get all of
the tax returns that have been received,

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get them filed away properly and
deposit. And as of today, I think we've

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put approximately $50,000 in this in the
last basically two days. Uh we've got a

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lot more to go and we're catching up on
that rapidly.

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Unfortunately, right now I cannot do uh
reconciliation with Diane and her side

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of things because we don't know where we
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on on my side of things. So that might
be a month down the road if we're lucky.

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Ann and I are working diligently on
that. The really good news is as I try

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to catch up on what has been coming in
and needs to be deposited,

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Ann is trying to take care of the things
that Diane had some checks that need to

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go out. She's citing them and taking
care of that end of thing, our expenses.

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So, we are moving forward and I think
we're moving in the right direction.

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It's it's really kind of exciting
because there's a mess, but it's kind of

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fun to to clean it up if you know what I
mean. If you've done spring house

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cleaning and the results, you'll like
that's kind of where we are, what I'm

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doing, but it is kind of kind of neat.
Um, I don't know if you are aware, but

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with the bills,
we do have an issue.

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There was a glitch. Where it happened,
how it happened, I don't know, and I

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really don't care.
The the bills went out for the summer

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taxes and the K's through the mess
did not get their bills. We don't know

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where they went. We don't know how it
happened. As I say, we really don't

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care, but we need to resolve an issue
and I'm going to be asking the board

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right now. Um, I did talk to some free
legal advice. I have a brother who's in

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the the field and I I told him what the
problem is. And he said, "It's a

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no-brainer. What we need to do, what we
need to do is send out new bills." So,

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the bills are ready to be sent out as
soon as the board approves it. Uh, it's

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about
125 VA. It's not that many. It will run

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about
with the new postage.

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It's going to run about a little less
than $1,000 to send it, but

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we are getting the bills to the people
and they deserve to have it. It's uh,

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yes, as a taxpayer, it's my
responsibility. I know that I owe the

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government. I know I had property taxes
due, but still I expect to receive

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something in the mail. And we failed it.
However, it happened. We failed them.

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So, to be fair and equitable about the
thing, we feel I feel the best bet is

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for us to send these back out with a
color letter that says if you paid your

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bill already, you need to do nothing
else. Disregard this. If not, this is

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because we're afraid you didn't receive
it. It's due on the I think it's the

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14th of September. And if you have any
problems or issues to please give us a

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call because we're going to work with
them. I want to make sure that they're

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able to pay their bill within the time
frame. And if we have to make

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allowances,
we'll do it. We're not we'll take it

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individually. I don't want to say we're
going to extend the time. That's not

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what we're saying. But if we need to for
somebody,

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» we're going to do it. We want to make it
right so everybody can think. That's

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what we're here for.
>> We're here for you guys. So that's what

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I would propose. I would love to see a
motion saying that yes, go ahead, send

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these bills out and with the cover
letter and give us the ability to work

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with the individuals as we need to do.
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» All right. uh person want to open this
up to discussion of the board and yet

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Diane everything both said
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we're pretty confident that doesn't mean
that we wouldn't miss something else but

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we're pretty confident based on all the
calls that have been coming in that

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whatever happened happened with that K
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» so um I'm confident that it that range
and we've already highlighted the ones

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that we know we've already resubmitted
to people. So,

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» you know, we'll take that into
consideration. But, um, yeah, I I agree.

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I would move to go ahead and resend tax
bills for the range K through ME as

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necessary.
>> I'll second. Okay. Go ahead and call the

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» Sally,
>> yes.

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» Tom,
>> yes.

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» Damian, yes.
>> Thank you.

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» Motion has passed. And also on the
record would like to thank Anne Kennedy

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for her willingness to step forward and
help us. Uh that's someone who has tried

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to retire at least at least a dozen
times since I've known her and from what

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I hear she's really stepped up here and
if you're watching this and thank you. I

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did I failed to mention that uh Cindy
Benson who was uh deputary deputy

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treasurer for Megan I've asked her to
continue and she is working and I

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leverage to and she's going to be a big
asset for us

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» thanks yes to the bills on Friday
>> ready Friday

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so we happen to meet 12:30
they will how you modify it. Otherwise,

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they don't go out to Monday.
>> Gotcha. We will make Well, the I'll

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probably be stepping on those as well.
>> Gotcha. Okay. All right. Cool.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. Um, let's see.

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Is that anything else, Sally? Are you
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» I'm good. Thank you.
>> Thank you, ma'am. All right, we're going

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to move on to the I
>> just on top of that and it's a good

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place to I did talk to the auditors too
because there are things that we need to

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provide for the auditors that we haven't
been able to. Sally kind of alluded to

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some of that and um it is possible for
us to request an extension from the

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Department of Treasury on that. They've
given me the information on how to do

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that and what to do and I would like the
board's permission to enforce that

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statute.
>> I'll make that motion.

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» So second

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Roberts rules of orders. You know how
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» I wanted to say call the role please.
>> Sally.

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» Yes. Tom.
>> Yes.

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» Dam. Yes.

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» Wonderful.
Okay,

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we're going to move on to the historical
society lease. Uh, predominantly for

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this portion of the meeting, it will be
to request an extension. As most people

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may or may not be aware, um, the
historical society is operated on a a

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20-year lease agreement with the
township to use the building over by

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Nice B shop as a museum. That lease
agreement expired last month or this

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month. So, first and foremost, we're in
negotiations with uh redrawing of a new

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contract or a new lease agreement. And
it's my understanding first and foremost

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that the historical society would like
to request an extension. But before we

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get to that motion, I would ask Miss
Kathy Brown to speak on behalf of the

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Thank you.
>> I'm Kathy Brown. I'm here on behalf of

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the Boy Historical Society board. For
the past 30 years, the Joyy's Blank

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Island Historical Society has been
stewards of the island sust.

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We're proud to offer free admission as
well as three campus programs throughout

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the summer funded solely by our
donations.

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museum building technically belongs to
the township who has generously listed

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it to us for the life dollar a year for
the past 30 years. We now have received

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a new piece of the township and moved
from one paragraph to United.

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This has new economic impact to the
volunteer organization for a very tiny.

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Considering the complexity of the two
weeks, we are respectfully asking for an

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extension of six weeks so we may have
better able to formulate a response,

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investigate options, and engage with our
own board. We appreciate your support

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and please ask for this abstension.

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» Any other comments of the board?
I would propose that we do give the

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extension. I do know that Cliff's
involved and we're talking about this

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and there's some things they would like
to see. How is the lease different? Was

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talking about monetary?
>> It was it was the original lease was one

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paragraph. It was just basically we can
do this, you can do that, we'll give it

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that everybody. Cool. Yeah, that's what
it was. And now this is got a lot more.

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It involves insurance. It's And even
though it's simple compared to what most

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lease agreements are, there's still
there's a lot more meat and potatoes in

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this that both parties
>> that brings additional expense to them.

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» Yes. Potentially. Yeah. And so they are
requesting the right to reexamine this I

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would say that um but anyway is there
any discussion you have with that?

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» I'd make the motion to grant the
extension for say another month. Is that

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good enough?
>> Six weeks.

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» Six weeks. Okay. Six weeks.
>> Good with that. Okay.

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» I'll make that motion. Second. Please
call the

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» Sally the great Tom.
>> Yes. David. Yes.

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» Thank you. And I would also like to add
that per the uh the board's decision to

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have the posts removed uh that were on
the road right away uh pursuant to Meno

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County's notification those posts and
that fencing have been removed. So that

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that matter is no longer an issue there.
Go ahead. is that

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» uh there's potential in the future for a
temporary type of setup with posts that

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are have concrete weights or something
that the historical society will talk

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with the board about to make sure that's
something that works for everyone

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appeases the the road commission and
before anything gets put in but it'll be

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of a temporary nature and when you're
ready for that we place that on the

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agenda. Does that work? Thank you.
>> All right.

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All right. Now, we're moving on to the
discussion of uh it's funny banana

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boxes. When I say banana boxes, I'm
thinking like junk food or something.

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But uh yes, I want banana boxes. No. Um
this is for the family fair

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transportation boxes that people relied
on for groceries and stuff that people

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bring back and forth across the water.
The last movement on this was that the

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Harbor Commission had requested that
they be stricken from the doghouse. I

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believe the board did vote to take them
from the do house and the marina do

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house but now there's been some
renegotiating behind the scenes and I'm

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going to open the floor for Mr. Tom
Wvernowski to discuss some of that as

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he's been negotiating with several of
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Okay, I just wrote my notes out. Last
month at our meeting Tom Law asked that

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no more banana boxes be placed in the
dock shed as the boxes were crowded out

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those who came inside. And I can attest
to that. I think I've seen there's been

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a lot of boxes there in the past. Uh but
now several weeks later, Kurt gets a

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gets a message. By the way, I talked to
Kurt last week side. He he got a message

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from Amanda at Family Fair asking,
quote, "Kurt, would you please ask our

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island visitor to return banana boxes?
Our company has experienced a shortage

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making it difficult to fulfill island
orders." End quote. I called and spoke

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to Janoa and Amanda. They even uh they
even have an order in with the corporate

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for empty boxes put on a waiting list.
[clears throat] I talked with Kirk again

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and if folks started to to bring boxes
back to the dock shed Kurt would have

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them put on the ferry more often
possibly even daily so that they don't

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take up so much you know Kurt he says I
want to help people visitors it's good

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you know for the economy I mean he is
really into this thing. Uh, I spoke with

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Tom Lawer. I sent him a this this idea.
I spoke to Tom and he agrees. He gave me

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a thumbs up on my message. It's a good
compromise. And thank you, Kurt, for

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getting to our attention. Anyway, uh,
apparently I just some Tom had a new one

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today. I don't know how to deal with
that, but he

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» is kind of
he's backtracking. Kirk's ready to have

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the guys go in every day and take him
out. If you go to the boat, let's say

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we're going to go tomorrow, got a couple
new banana boxes, just take put them on

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the ferry and then the guys will put
them in the warehouse for fair to pick

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up. So anyway, I was going to say get
the word out, bring your banana boxes

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back to the dock. And if you're going
over the ferry, you have boxes, just put

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them on the ferry, but now there might
be a little over.

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» Well, um,
>> yeah. And by the way, every everybody

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banner fair loves them. They're easy to
pack. Kurt likes them because they slip

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under seats. We like them because
they're easy to carry the hands that

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they're using them. So they are
important part of people bringing stuff

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over. So
>> um I want to open up.

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» Let's let's do the motion first to take
a vote. I'll we'll make the vote. I'll

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make a motion to
allow the boxes back into the Marina Dog

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House with the conditions that we're
about to discuss. Does it work? Do I

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have a second?
>> Second.

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» Okay. Now, we can open up for
discussion. U I've read the letter that

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came from Mr. Lowour as of 2:11 p.m.
today and he does appear to be totally

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opposed to this. Uh he's got some
concerns that uh just briefing this

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highlight the fact that Mr. Plant's
business is a private business and he

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charges X amount of dollar for boxes and
all those things. Uh, so Tom's

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contention here is that it shouldn't be
something the Harbor Commission has to

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deal with when it's a private business
on government property. And he does

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raise a a genuine concern that they need
to be able to have access to that do

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house because of the server, the cash
deposit box, and other the equipment

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that can get blocked in there. So that
said, for me personally, and then I'll

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open with this up the rest of I see that
if this compromise works, if Kurt Plant

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and his crew can keep those boxes from
getting too stacked up in that room, if

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there are no more problems with it, and
if all parties can follow their end of

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the agreement here, then I say let's try
it out and see how it goes and see if

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all parties involved are end of the
deal. That's my contention. I am.

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» Well, I was just wondering if there was
another

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alternative that would work. I realize
that it's convenient to have it in the

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doghouse and the boat comes in and out,
>> but the van comes over to deliver boxes

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for mail every day. So, what if the van
just swings by the transfer station and

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picks up the boxes because we got plenty
of room to put them in the garage and

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then they take the van back on the boat
all the time anyway.

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Well, what would be wrong with class
checking the dolls once a day?

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» There wouldn't be anything wrong with
it, but it would it would eliminate the

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contention that's there. Plus, I have
been there on a rainy day before when

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you're trying to climb in. If you're not
in your vehicle and you're walking on

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and you you've got to be in the doghouse
with your luggage or whatever, it

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doesn't take too many people to fill
that thing up and you don't have room.

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» Especially somebody like me in there.
It's a some

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day a week.
>> You do it one day a week. Like on

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Tuesday, bring your boxes down and
that's the day you drop them off. You

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could be piled up pretty high by then.
Yeah.

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» Not if you can only drop them off on day
and they take them on.

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» I I thought about that too is that you
know if but I don't think Kurt wanted to

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be
>> he didn't want to have to be pinned down

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to one particular day, but if he was
going to take it every day anyway. So

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yeah.
Sally, your thoughts.

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» I like the idea of the dog bound and and
that and I also like that the idea of

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taking it to the transfer station.
>> If we had a place that we could store

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them and then Kirk can do it at his
convenience, I think everybody's happy,

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» right? That's what I thought might be
>> and I don't think it has anything to do

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with her being a private business. I'm
not he's doing us a fair This has no

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money for him,
>> right?

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» This could be a problem though is that
the trans is not not open all the time.

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» They are right now and then a long time
be at least three days a week.

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» Okay.
>> The summer is the worst time.

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» I got 20 boxes in I like the most
people.

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» And you're okay with that? That doesn't
add to your workload at all.

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» So I don't
smashing your bread or your chip or

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» Well, we have lots of room there. So
even if it means you can't pick them up

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every day.
>> So we sol we solved the problem of

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having people have a place to drop them
off,

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» right?
>> And a place for Kirk to go pick them up

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and burn.
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. What do you think

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about that? I like that idea. You okay?
Yeah. Instead of the transfer station,

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» right? It's close proximity to the
>> to the dock and his van's got to deliver

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anyway.
>> And those

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I'm Yeah, I like that idea. As I say, I
think it's mainly during the summer.

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Yes, during the off season we're going
to it's going to be closed a lot, but I

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think we can deal with that. I mean,
>> actually during the winter

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traffic is going to dial down in the
winter anyway.

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» In the winter, things won't take them
out to the airport

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» in the winter time normally. Yeah.
Things change and the boxes go out to

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the airport.
>> And that's a matter of communication and

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organization at that point that changes,
huh,

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» Kathy?
not taken back and people started

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thankfully using family fair on the same
they did not

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» okay
>> so it may be a summer only

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» okay
>> so in the winter time we're either

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storing them
>> or you're burning

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» or

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store as many as you can store and then
start

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» that's what I say I say let's let's use
what we've got to keep because this is

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not a government issue it isn't this is
not but it's something that helps the

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depot. So, let's figure out what we can
do.

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» Yeah.
>> All right. So, are you okay with

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dropping off the transfer station?
>> Absolutely.

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» Most of us who live here most know the
system. We know when you're open.

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» All right. Carl, you go with that? All
right. Okay.

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» So, I'd like to revise the motion.
>> Yeah.

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to have folks who use the system to
bring their banana boxes to the transfer

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station and we will notify Kurt Pla that
during x amount of days per week when

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Carl's there he or one of his crew can
swing by and pick them up at their

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leisure.
>> Does Kurt ever bring trash?

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» Never. I've never seen
station I've seen Brian and Wendy and

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Ted
a motion. Do we have a second? Second.

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Please call the role.
>> [clears throat]

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» Sally.
>> Yes. Damian.

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» Yes.

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» Who wants to communicate that back
propos change to Kurt?

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» I will.
>> You got this.

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» You got this. Go right ahead.
>> Kurt and I are like this.

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» I just want to make sure like this.
>> I will. No. I He He's the one who wants

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to do it. He does.
>> He does. He does. He's He's senseless.

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and it it helps. It helps. Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» All right. Uh at this time, I'm going to
open up the floor to public comment.

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We're doing this a little different to
try to save some time so I can get y'all

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out of here sooner than three hours. So,
does anybody have any public comment?

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Kathy,

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» could you speak a little louder?
>> Any any progress for the sign?

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» Oh, for the open and close sign, the new
ones that we had to do. Um yes. Um I

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apologize. I got it about four or five
days ago from uh her name is uh Lamb

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Mike Lamb's wife and she sent to me and
my printer ran out of ink. I couldn't

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print it and I got lost. I left the
island. So I do have it but so

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» the open post I thought I
>> No,

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no, we're we're talking about new sign.
>> No, I made the She's talking about the

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open post I gave you six weeks ago.
>> Open.

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» Okay, here's here's what I know. Okay. I
don't know why you made one for us,

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right?
>> Did Did they ask you to make a second

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loss?
>> No.

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» No. They determined that it's too small
because

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» because the one wouldn't wouldn't work.
It would look like it was closed from

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one side from the other side.
>> The last I heard the plan the health

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committee had talked to Tom about
wanting to get another estimate because

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they would like to propose to the board
that we go ahead and buy a whole new

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set. But I don't think anything's been
brought to us yet. No. So that's what we

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have.
>> I do have a quote and I just haven't

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been able to
>> I do I I remember now. And also you had

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an estimate and a print out
>> of the original one, right?

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» So we were just I think she's asking if
there's any time. So could we just have

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that maybe for next meeting?
>> You bet.

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» Plan to have it two weeks. Would that be
okay?

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» Okay. I'll get it to the right people
right time.

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» Yeah. You've already done this once.
We're asking you to do it again.

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» So it's uh so it's a science basically
both sides. Yeah. Instead of

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» All right. Wonderful. Thank you, Tom.
Anyone else?

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That's it. You get three times.
>> Kathy,

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obviously

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we put a sign at the end of the dock
that says island speed at 25

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island.
So the first thing they see at the end

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of the dock is what the speed limit is.
And make sure it says island. Yeah,

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» we can put that up on our property, but
I'd want to make sure that we are okay

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with not stepping on counties uh a party
to on the roads, but I don't see a

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reason we couldn't or shouldn't do that.
>> We would need to

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put it up there anyway.
>> No.

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» Well, at least they can't put it stop.
>> That would be a question then. That

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would be legal.
>> I don't think you can put anything.

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I don't think so.
>> You're not a traffic attorney on top all

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of this.
>> Yeah.

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» Smoky.
>> Well, I've seen I've seen a dish dish

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dish on a sign. Oh, really?
>> I'll tell you what. Would you write up a

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proposal for that? Do some work on it
and show up two weeks from now on the

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next meeting and let's have a
conversation about it.

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» One second. She's been waiting. Go
ahead. a letter B.

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» No, it's um Oh, go ahead, sir.
>> Just a suggestion.

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Island wide speed limit 25 miles per
hour

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unless otherwise posted which would then
allow if somebody decides speed limits

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is 15
>> post

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and wide le post somebody wants to do
driveway at 70 because he posted that's

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all posted [laughter]
>> well it's interesting

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» we got to make room for everybody don't
I like it.

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» You can't Are you saying that
arbitrarily impose?

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» No. [laughter]
>> What do you mean by unless otherwise

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all
>> all cities have changed and at least

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where I'm from to say unless otherwise
posted which means as an example where

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I'm from everything in the city and
county of Denver that's 25 miles per

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hour unless otherwise posted.
>> Yeah. If it's posted at 60, then it's

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» for instance, if if the township
>> Yeah. If the township wanted to impose a

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10 or 15 mph speed limit in the pants.
>> By the way, you said Denver, so you know

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where Council Rocks at
>> my wife's

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speed limits on the island.

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» Now, it's all we're just saying. If we
decide the pines should be 15, that's

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» Well, no, we can't. Let me speak on
that. We looked at that about

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about three or four years. We looked at
about three or four years ago. And if we

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want to get our speed limit lower by the
school, I think the state police come

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in, they do an actual
>> study.

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» Study and they may say, you know, you
can go 30 on this,

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» right?
>> But they say it's not I don't if it'll

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happen. They said, but you're opening
the door to let them come to the islands

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and look at speed limits, right?
>> And we don't know if we want to do that

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or not.
>> Not here. No. All right. Good thoughts.

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No, I'm not saying you should.
My understand

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» right. That's okay.
>> I have a couple things.

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» Yes, sir.
>> Um, first

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me with Island

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» and it concerns the sprinklers.
>> Oh, yeah. I knew this was coming. And

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we've talked to the people that have
them many many times. Some of them are

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great. I probably use them. Some of them
are terrible. Like today it was raining.

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» Yeah.
>> The second round here.

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» They've sent notices out
for the county's instruction.

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Well, they wrote it up
>> that they weren't to run unattended.

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that I haven't told them. They set them
and they leave the island.

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Anyway, you want I don't know what your
feeling is on these sprinklers, but

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they're causing troubles as you can see
in a lot of places. Some people are

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great about how they use it. But other
people just won't listen to what we tell

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them to do.
So Joe suggests that we write you guys a

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letter about it with a copy to the
county

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if you guys and the county
>> come up with a solution.

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» I would I was going to say based on what
the board would recommend.

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» We're not going to take any action
without the county's blessing because

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that's the right way. But with the
county's approval, that'd be a different

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story there.
>> Well, let's open this up to the board.

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Anybody else have any thoughts on this?
It's pretty.

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» Yeah. Some of those are some pretty big
bottles. I'll tell

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» on the road just
>> Well, and the other thing is that's our

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road project this year
>> is the miracle ma. That's our growth

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project. So, the last thing we want to
do is to put our road money into it to

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fix it and have it reverse that quickly
because

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of the sprinklers.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» And I see that as a problem. road
project wasted money versus potholes and

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continue the brain. Sally, your opinion
on this

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» do sprinklers on timers.
>> Some of them are, some of them are not,

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but some of them are on too long.
>> Some of them all they need to do is damp

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in the row
>> right before a boat arrives

416
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right to the other side of the road and
no further. The rest of them just drench

417
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:40,159
all the way up onto the sidewalk on the
other side. It's just you've got

418
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:43,360
» makes the sidewalks possible.
>> Nobody has to.

419
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,880
» Well, a water truck would be nice.
>> Times a day.

420
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:47,840
» Yes, ma'am.
>> But these rooms if they just damage the

421
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,080
low
>> and they did they used them

422
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,799
conservatively.
>> You're starting to get dust.

423
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:57,840
» They think they have to saturate the
little

424
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,799
» You can put you can put those slings on
timers with

425
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:03,519
» I think some of them aren't even
>> Well, I know them. They're on timers,

426
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:06,840
but the people here
>> because I know

427
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,080
right
control.

428
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:18,159
» So, if you would uh
>> Allan contractors write a letter

429
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,760
requesting help and send it to both and
uh whichever one of us either the county

430
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:25,760
or the board decides to take
communication, get that started. Great.

431
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:29,440
» Okay. All right.
>> I got one on me.

432
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:37,919
» No, that's it. You're limited to one. Go
ahead. She didn't go ahead

433
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:44,279
that's down at the kind of open
>> the boat

434
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,279
down in a while.

435
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,320
» You know, I had even noticed it.
>> It's been there.

436
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,440
» I have no idea whose boat it is, but I
think he's

437
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,080
» there's a lot of stuff down there now.
All of a sudden,

438
00:33:54,159 --> 00:34:00,960
» I don't think that bowl should be there.
I don't think that

439
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:06,000
» is there. There's a deer stand.
>> What's that about?

440
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:09,679
» I'm sure abandoned trailer the P.
>> There's all kind of stuff is land.

441
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,359
» Yeah.
>> Any of that should be

442
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,879
» and now we got some fishing
>> back too because her line comes almost

443
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,320
out and
>> it gets there's a lot of stuff out

444
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:22,800
there's
going to get hit.

445
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:25,200
» Yeah, they will. They've already had
some incidents out there this year

446
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,639
already.
>> Don't worry about that. We need to be

447
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,679
down where really sad
>> after tomorrow I don't know.

448
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,960
» So you're saying wait until after
tomorrow before we do anything?

449
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:46,960
» I'm sorry. What?
>> See, I was under the impression that it

450
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:51,119
was the township, but
>> I've been corrected. I I haven't had a

451
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:58,599
chance to dig that out for you with
everything going on, but no, it is a

452
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,599
lease to PING that it from the DNR.

453
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,640
» GIS system.
>> I know what the county says, but it's

454
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:09,040
wrong.
>> PG building. Actually, it's DNR ground

455
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:13,680
there. But, um,
>> the weirdest thing that's what has the

456
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:17,920
control over it through police.
>> So, the township owns all the property

457
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:21,359
around behind it.
So Ping agreed.

458
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:26,079
» This is y'all's township. How did these
things happen?

459
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:31,200
» And they've been very Ping's been very
lenient with us in basically letting us

460
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:35,839
utilize us being the township and the
people here utilize it however we need

461
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:41,760
to as long as we don't block their
access. We don't block their their

462
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:45,839
ability to get to their poles and their
equipment and stuff that's there. Um

463
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,320
they've been very good about that. Well,
it appears to be being somewhat

464
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,040
exploited.
>> Yeah.

465
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:55,040
» Today, I'd say. So,
>> uh, what do we want to do about that? Do

466
00:35:52,880 --> 00:36:00,320
we want to contact PING and make sure we
don't step on their toes and ask them to

467
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:04,320
decide who can and do what, or do we
need to take some sort of movement on

468
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:09,560
this? Because if it's DNR property,
>> they have a trailer that's grown right

469
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,560
into the ground.

470
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:19,960
» So, what do you want to do? stand.
>> It's going to be the DNR or PG's fault.

471
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,960
» I mean, I It's be

472
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,680
» Well, it's just tell them we got some
potential blight issues to worry about.

473
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:31,280
» Yeah, that's
>> for some potential trespassing issues.

474
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:37,280
» But I don't I don't know if I still have
I have I might still have

475
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:42,720
» It's a safety issue. Can't really be
asking K to move back. The thing is if

476
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,560
if this is DNR property that is leased
to PING, we don't really have any

477
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,359
authority over there. And that's what we
need to find out what we can and can't

478
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:53,280
do, which mean we got to contact that
person.

479
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:57,920
» So I would make a motion that we contact
Ping and get some clarity on who is

480
00:36:55,359 --> 00:37:02,880
allowed, who isn't allowed, and at least
put in some sort of report that uh we've

481
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:06,560
got equipment, vehicles, some parking,
possibly some light,

482
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,240
» a boat, however you want to word all
this stuff. people's just using it and

483
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:14,079
we need we need some we need some
direction on what is and what is not

484
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:19,119
allowed out there and if they don't want
us to regulate it they're going to have

485
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:24,000
to put up some fencing or something
>> everything that's parked down there

486
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:29,119
they must have their own property there
why isn't it there

487
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:31,200
have their own property here
>> no

488
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:34,079
» you mean the people parking
>> oh yeah

489
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:38,480
» well they want to use it as a as a a
farmers marketplace and everyone sells

490
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,800
Yeah, that's wrong. Right.
>> The deer blind. G.

491
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:47,520
» Those kind of things you don't
understand. Is the deer? What in the

492
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,720
world is that doing?
>> There's certainly no deer down there.

493
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:56,720
Oh, no.
>> I think isn't the deer blind just there

494
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:00,400
because it's going to auction or
>> Oh, that white jeep is the wildife

495
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:05,680
association. I think it's the rapid.
>> Well, could be parks.

496
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,720
» They got property everywhere. So, let's
find out what PIG's got to say about

497
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,359
this first and then we'll go from there.
>> I say regard it all at the

498
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:17,000
transportation. [laughter]
>> Let's just dump it on Carl. He seems

499
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,000
friendly about these sort of things.

500
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,960
» So, we'll make the motion to contact the
ING, get get some authority and some

501
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:28,480
clarity on that and then determine the
best force of action. I have a second.

502
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Second call,
>> please.

503
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:35,599
» You made the motion.
>> I did.

504
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:37,440
» You'd like to know? I got the motion.
>> Roll call.

505
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
» Sally,
>> yes.

506
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,240
» Yes.
>> Dav,

507
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:46,960
» yes.
>> Okay. Is that it for public comment?

508
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:51,520
» Uh, Mr. Supervisor, do you want me to
move all the cars and see if I can find

509
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,560
out who contacts?
>> Yes.

510
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:59,599
» I'm at the point where I don't want to
pick up any more right now. So, if I can

511
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:04,240
throw this on you. Yes, ma'am. I'll
absolutely do that.

512
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,720
Do you need a hand? No.
>> I have public comment.

513
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,960
» Public comment's over, sir.
>> Oh, go ahead. Um, in the short time I've

514
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,640
been here, I think the painting down at
the marina is making a big deal.

515
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,920
» Big difference. Even when they paint it
in person where you're standing, I heard

516
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:22,640
someone say, "Oh, stand over here now."
So, I park right down there because I'm

517
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,359
not going to park there either. But, um,
watching, I've noticed it in a while.

518
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,800
» Good.
>> Good view. And this time of year, it's

519
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,760
nice to see that kind of improvement
because that's a big frustration for the

520
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,240
fairy crew and all that. So
>> there's still a lot of people that take

521
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:40,560
» Yeah, I don't
they just think, well, I'm supposed to

522
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:43,599
be on the boat, so you're going to get
>> I think the state person

523
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:49,680
» say that
>> I think person means that that's

524
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:53,839
» Oh, I thought about that.
>> Maybe. [laughter]

525
00:39:51,280 --> 00:40:00,000
» Anyone else for public comment? Going
once, going twice. All right, new

526
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:05,200
business. Uh we have on the agenda here
a proposed reszoning. Uh this is

527
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:10,079
pertaining to
uh moratorium on

528
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:14,320
» uh a moratorum on reszoning. This is
pertinent to uh first of all a letter

529
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:18,640
that I've received and read probably
three times now. Over the last couple of

530
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:24,560
years, we've got a couple of permits to
reszone from residential commercial.

531
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:29,520
there is a need uh to to open up in some
ways room for people to develop.

532
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,200
However, uh the applications have at
least what I've read and the planning

533
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:38,240
commission is dealing with, there's no
clear direction yet on where we want

534
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,280
these resonings to take place or at
least from my understanding and I'm

535
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,280
going to open this up to the board so
that they can weigh in on their

536
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:49,119
opinions, but uh the general consensus
as far as I can tell at least from the

537
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:52,880
crowd and the planning commission
meetings that I've attended recently is

538
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,640
that we need some direction. We need
some clarity in the master plan as to

539
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:00,560
where these areas on the island are
going to be opened for commercial

540
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:05,200
reasonzoning, where we want this type of
activity to take place. And that clarity

541
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:10,160
is not there right now. It's kind of
haphazard and people are making efforts

542
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:14,240
and attempts to reszone and we want
that. We don't want to waste when we've

543
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:18,319
got private investors willing to do
stuff like that. But at the same time,

544
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:23,359
we've got a responsibility to maintain
the culture and the heritage of the

545
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:28,720
island. So, it's something we may need
to consider putting a pause on until the

546
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:32,240
planning commission can catch up in
terms of where they want this type of

547
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,240
commercial development to take place.
So, that's my opinion and I'm going to

548
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:42,160
open up to the rest of the board. Diane,
if you'd go first.

549
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:48,319
Well, I made a few notes in the way this
document is put together and some of the

550
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:54,880
answers as I read through it
were probably clarified better farther

551
00:41:51,440 --> 00:42:00,240
down in the very beginning and I'll just
read it. It says an ordinance to impose

552
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:04,960
a temporary moratorum on the reszoning
of any property to either the C1 mixed

553
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:11,359
commercial or C2 general commercial
zoning districts as well as a moratorum

554
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:18,079
prohibition on any boy township zoning
approval permit or license for any such

555
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:22,800
resoning. Okay, first of all, if we put
a moratorum on the resoning, you're not

556
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:28,319
going to have resoning. So that second
part to me is redundant. we shouldn't be

557
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:33,280
necessarily there. There's nothing
there's no permits to issue. Is do you

558
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,319
see what I'm saying? Because when I
first read it, I thought, what are you

559
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,800
trying to say? Are you trying to say
that people that are already zoned

560
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,640
commercial can't get zoning permits and
move forward? That's not what it's

561
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:50,640
saying.
It's saying they're going to put a halt

562
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:54,640
to temporarily on any reszones to
commercial.

563
00:42:52,240 --> 00:43:02,319
And in doing so, then we're also putting
a halt on any zoning applications or

564
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:07,599
permits or licenses. Well, it kind of
sounds why would you add that when we

565
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:13,200
also we've said we're not going to do
it, so you wouldn't have any permits.

566
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:17,119
Well, because in the the language they
use here in some instances where they

567
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:21,920
have a reasonzoning approval, it
requires just a permit for some

568
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:25,200
townships. For people to put in a permit
for that, they would put that to the

569
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:29,280
planning commission. Well, the planning
commission can still approve it, but

570
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:33,680
then the moratorum on accepting or
approving it at the board level would

571
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:38,000
just be delayed for however many months
the moratorum because you've got two

572
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:41,760
parts here. The first part for the
reszoning requires a public hearing and

573
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:46,319
the planning commission's involvement.
Then the second part is where the board

574
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:50,079
would say yay or nay on the final
amendment to the zone. Now, so there's

575
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,920
two portions in the resoning that have
to take place. This addresses both at

576
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:57,280
the permit planning commission level and
then at the board.

577
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,079
» But you still lost me. Why would you
even have part two if you don't have

578
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,920
part one?
>> Or why would you have part one if you

579
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,400
put part two first? Is that what you're
saying?

580
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,359
» You wouldn't put part two first. Yeah.
Right.

581
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,119
» Right.
Well,

582
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,680
» I mean,
>> maybe

583
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,240
» maybe it's to cover both.
>> I don't know,

584
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,599
» but it accomplishes the same thing.
Yeah,

585
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:23,920
» that that's fine. And then it's like um
as I'm reading through as matters are

586
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:29,680
resolved. Okay, those matters you have
to go back that they're talking about is

587
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:35,839
having a def a definite pattern or
commercial and the any necessary

588
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:40,560
reszoning of additional parcels to
commercial based on

589
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:45,760
what you decide to do in your master
plan. Okay, I get that. Those are things

590
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:52,880
that would all have to be worked on. Um
it suggests that

591
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:57,599
a limited time on the moratorum of nine
months and that that would give the

592
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:01,200
planning commission nine months then to
not only finish our updates to the

593
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,240
zoning
>> but finish and review

594
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:13,040
» master plan
>> any updates to the master plan

595
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:17,520
» as a whole. This makes sense because
okay, I get that. You know, if you

596
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:24,079
you've got to know where you're going. I
can also tell you that here on this

597
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:28,480
island, it doesn't make sense because
I know dogone well that if you came in

598
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,480
and you decided, you looked at a map and
said, "This is the area that's going to

599
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:37,680
be commercial and it's residential right
now," that every single one of those

600
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:42,880
people are going to fight it.
So, the whole idea of spot zoning, and I

601
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:48,160
realize everybody thinks those are ugly
words, spot zoning. We don't want spot

602
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:52,560
zoning. That is all you're going to get
on this island because you're going to

603
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:59,040
have to have people that are willing to
change to commercial in order to do it.

604
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:06,160
Because what what the rules say, the law
says is that if I decided that every

605
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:10,880
thing from the dock down to Fire Tower
Road was going to be commercial and we

606
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:17,319
change it to commercial, now those
people cannot sell that property for

607
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,319
anything but commercial.

608
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,000
» That's the law.
>> Okay.

609
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,160
» Is it?
>> Is it that?

610
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,520
» No.
So

611
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,520
» yeah, it runs with the land.
>> Yeah,

612
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:40,640
it
>> the DN there's a lot of propert in the

613
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:46,000
island. Uh, is it possible like um off
of Bible road, which I know it's a

614
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:51,280
that's a that's a what you call a
seasonal road

615
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:56,720
someplace down where the island boy
could buy a piece get a piece somehow

616
00:46:53,599 --> 00:47:00,880
from the DNR, carve it out and designate
that there's your commercial property.

617
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,480
If somebody wants to build some storage
units, it's a good spot for it. It's not

618
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,640
near anybody, but it's in the middle of
nowhere.

619
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:11,200
» It's what?
>> How about the old baseline road?

620
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:15,440
» Okay. Your old baseline.
>> Here's here here's what what I'm

621
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:18,960
hearing. No, I'm hearing you say the
township buy the property so that they

622
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,800
can designate that it's going to be
commercial. That's not the way it's

623
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:24,640
usually done.
>> No.

624
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:28,319
» It is not up to us to buy property and
designate it to be resold as commercial.

625
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:32,880
» Well, well, how do we get though?
because people people say there's no

626
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,359
commercial property on the aisle that
>> so that they just counter what you're

627
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,640
saying that
>> and so we have to create some

628
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,960
» that's why I'm saying what normally
would happen is the planning commission

629
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:48,000
would lay out your master plan and
looking at that you you got to think

630
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:54,400
that most of this is laid out in terms
of like a city development or a larger

631
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:58,319
area uh that that's expanding where
there's highways and they'll develop the

632
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:02,800
commercial is going to be along on the
highway that's coming through town or

633
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:06,560
whatever. We don't have that. We're a
different entity. But the planning

634
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,640
commission would designate, you'd have
hearings that says this is going to be

635
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:14,000
our commercial zone. And once that's
reszoned,

636
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:18,079
that means that property is now
commercial. Even if it's got a house on

637
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,559
it, if it's got a house on it, that's
fine. They can stay there as what's the

638
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:25,839
term? Uh non
>> lawful non-conforming.

639
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:31,040
» Not lawful non-conforming. and they can
stay there until they no longer live

640
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:36,160
there and they have to they sell it or
try to do something and then it has to

641
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:39,520
revert to to commercial use.
>> Is there a law that says we need to have

642
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,920
more commercial property?
>> No.

643
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,480
» No. There's a need on the island for
more commercial property.

644
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:49,760
» And that's my question. What kind of
need uh

645
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:54,160
storage units? Uh the grocery store? Do
we need uh another tavern? Every

646
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:58,000
everybody's everybody's opinion is
different, Tom, but there's all kinds of

647
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:03,839
things I can think of that would be
beneficial to have over there if you had

648
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:09,680
somebody to run that. But we don't want
to we don't want to turn people away

649
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:13,680
from the possibility of a business.
>> Thank you, Dian S.

650
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:15,599
» That's a tough one. It's just too tough
to

651
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:20,319
» It is a hard decision.
>> I don't know enough about it. I

652
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:26,000
understand exactly what you're saying.
Didn't you worry about zoning? I don't

653
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,000
know what else. I have I have I have I
have

654
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:30,319
» I don't want any growth, but that's me.
I

655
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,559
» No, we need Okay, but D, let me let me
stick here. We We've got

656
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:38,559
» What we have to understand is that
>> we want development. Yeah,

657
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:44,880
» we want growth. We need it. Without it,
we will starve to death. That's just a

658
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:48,960
fact. That said, if we don't have
parameters in place, this will be a

659
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:53,440
free-for-all. And I'm not okay with
that. That's irresponsible. It's

660
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:56,000
reckless to panic and say, "Well, we
can't do this and they can't do that,

661
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:00,319
and if we don't give a developer exactly
what he wants today, no, we've got

662
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:04,800
faceless corporations here now buying up
thousands of acres worth of land. We've

663
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:08,640
got PUDs that have gotten snuck in.
There's no way on God's green earth I'm

664
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,559
going to say, let's go ahead and start
reszoning the commercial." That's

665
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:16,240
foolish. So, my opinion is the
moratorium needs to go in place. The

666
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,400
planning commission needs to take this
seriously. Give us some direction and

667
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,839
quit acting like we write a blank check
here because I'm not okay with that.

668
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:28,480
» What I'm saying that is a tough thing.
>> It is a tough I'm not saying I'm against

669
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:32,800
the moratorum. I do think we need to
figure it out when it comes back to the

670
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,400
planet and I don't think we should be
reszoning right now until we figure out

671
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:41,040
a few things.
>> And I'm concerned that over 30

672
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:46,240
properties now have been purchased.
seven from one LLC and 20 well a total

673
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:49,920
of 30
>> there there's there's something going on

674
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,079
behind the scenes here and I'm not okay
with it

675
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:54,079
» and I'm where I'm concerned what what
are we looking to do or who are these

676
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,200
people and
>> n we need direction we need parameters

677
00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:00,800
tough
>> I understand what you're saying but it's

678
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:04,720
like
>> I guess I can see both sides of it here

679
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,240
guys we don't have any control over who
buys the land unless you want to buy it

680
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:12,800
yourself
>> so that's why zoning is doing what

681
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:17,599
they're doing right now and updating
everything and going through that's why

682
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,599
the PUB rulings went into place so we
had a little more control

683
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,720
» we are working the right direction and
I'm not necessarily against the

684
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:29,119
moratorum
>> with the with the parameters in there

685
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:33,520
but there's another part of here that
we're not addressing is how are you

686
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:38,000
going to give the planning commission
then the tools that they need to be able

687
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:41,760
to do all of this and get it done in
nine months

688
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,839
because that's what you're saying. We're
going to hold it for 9 months and in

689
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:54,480
nine months time you're expecting us to
be completely done with all of the

690
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:56,800
zoning reworks plus redo the the um
master plan.

691
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,559
» That's a great point.
>> Well, I would I would I would like to

692
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:04,480
offer a point of clarity here on the
ordinance u and I can't speak. First of

693
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,040
all, I know you guys have done a lot of
work and you've been doing a lot of

694
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:12,160
work. getting close on the ordinance,
>> but the ordinance itself, if if the

695
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,920
planning commission had actually stuck
to the core ordinance instead of putting

696
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,400
all this extra stuff in there, you'd
have been done already.

697
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,920
» Yeah, but all of that
>> I know the ordinance. No, no, don't

698
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:25,119
don't interrupt me. I listen to you. The
ordinance would have been done already

699
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:30,240
if we hadn't put in shipping containers,
setbacks, PUD, short-term rentals, all

700
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:33,040
this other stuff. You hired this guy to
get the core ordinance repaired and

701
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,040
done. That was supposed to have been
done last year. So if the planning

702
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,839
commission would stick to the core
ordinance, get it passed, then we can go

703
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:45,520
into reorganizing and adding other
stuff, could do that at the same time

704
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,960
you did the master plan. That way they
both synchronized together and it

705
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:52,079
wouldn't be a time crunch. But waiting
year after year after year to put off

706
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:56,480
something and say that's reason enough
to say, "Okay, green light on

707
00:52:53,920 --> 00:53:00,960
development." Not going to fly. I'm not
okay with that.

708
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,680
So I'd like to take a vote on this.
Let's decide whether or not we're going

709
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,400
to pass the moratorum. and I'll read
what it states.

710
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,960
» Well, why is it nine months? Should you
say it should be longer?

711
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:16,559
» I'm saying I don't know. I think you can
do it. I think you can do it in 9

712
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:21,440
months, but you're going to need the
help of somebody like our our planning

713
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:27,520
coordinator that we've got that's doing
it that has the experience in the master

714
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:29,680
plan side of it and doing actual
expansion planning.

715
00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:31,359
» Yeah,
>> that's what you

716
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:36,880
» that's going to cost money, too. So
here's the antenna. This is the next

717
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:40,800
September, October, November, December,
January, February, March, April. Next

718
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:44,160
eight months, a lot of us aren't going
to be here. We'll be your spot. Yes. I

719
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,680
mean, you folks in the audience, some of
those will be here to maybe there'll be

720
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:51,839
a public hearing, who knows what. Nine
months seems like it's going to be

721
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:55,119
springtime. Okay. And we'll get that
same from the people who are not here

722
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,319
saying, "How can we do this in the
middle of winter?" Well, we can do it in

723
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:02,640
middle of winter, but nine months to me
seems real short. I was surprised to see

724
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:07,040
it. I thought we were talking two years.
>> Well, uh, council, we can extend that.

725
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:10,559
Although council said we do this in
shorter interims because we don't want

726
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:13,440
to interrupt the flow of progress like
the planning commission because these

727
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,480
guys are meeting what two or three times
a month

728
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:22,160
that
>> so we don't want to disregard their work

729
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:27,760
with too much time limit on this.
>> We can extend that still.

730
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:34,000
» I think nine months is doable. My point
is we need the tools to do it and that's

731
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:37,440
going to mean and a person
>> it's going to be somebody that has more

732
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,000
experience in this than we do.
>> Correct. I agree with that.

733
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:44,079
» So we can extend it
>> if we needed to. Okay. I say all right.

734
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,079
I like that. All right. I just want
clarification.

735
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,880
» All right.
>> And respectfully, Mr. supervisor. Part

736
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:56,240
of the things that were put in there
were put in there because it was

737
00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:01,200
recommended that it is lacking in our in
our zoning ordinance by the consultant

738
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:06,319
that were working and that it needed to
be in there and added at the time.

739
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:10,400
» Uh respectfully in regard to that the
shipping container and the the steps

740
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,400
that was done before. Yes,
>> I was there. I do remember. But the

741
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:17,760
other things, yes, the the PUD and I
watched the video. I heard him

742
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:21,839
specifically say that that needed to be
in it. So, thank you for that

743
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:25,680
clarification.
>> U

744
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,720
without objection, we'll
>> uh before that u what about your

745
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:33,839
question about be about being redundant
here in the book with the big wrench? Is

746
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:38,960
that something
>> that doesn't you said ourselves? It

747
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:41,680
probably doesn't
>> doesn't matter.

748
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,599
» Doesn't mean anything that much one way
or the other.

749
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:47,119
» If we it helped,
>> but it is a point that it's not really

750
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,280
something that needed to be typed. I
don't understand.

751
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:51,280
» We want to make a change and we won't be
able.

752
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:54,880
» Well, if it confused me at first, it's
going to confuse other people.

753
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:59,359
» Okay. [laughter]
I'm sorry. Well,

754
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:03,839
» what are you saying? No, I'm not. No,
I'm easily confused. So, anyway, okay.

755
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:07,760
Let's make the motion. And when you if
we pass the motion, I'll read out the

756
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:13,520
points of it that we need to be on the
record with. Um I would make the motion

757
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:17,200
that we do pass the ordinance, the
9month moratorium on reszonings. Do I

758
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,720
have a second?
>> Yes.

759
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,640
» Please call the role.
>> Roll call. Salad.

760
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,599
» Yes.
>> Tom,

761
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,119
» yes.
>> Damian,

762
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:30,720
» yes.
>> Myself,

763
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:35,200
» yes. Um may I follow up with a second
motion along with that then? I would

764
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:39,920
also make a motion then that the board
approve the planning commission to start

765
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,920
looking for and getting estimates for
>> direction from the planning commission

766
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:49,839
» somebody to help us do this m
>> and in fact uh Greg Ransford he's

767
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:54,079
already sent in an email stating that we
would have to reconsider that because

768
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,480
what they're doing is ordinance right
now and we if we did planning that would

769
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:01,920
be a different type of contract. So
yeah. So, let's do the let's do the

770
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,520
first one. The first motion first and
then we'll take that. I think that's

771
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,000
solved.
>> We already did.

772
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:08,000
» We did. I second her motion,
>> but we got a poll of vote.

773
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:09,520
» I did.
>> We did. We did.

774
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:15,920
» Yes.
>> Told you I was confused.

775
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:18,000
» Then, uh, let me read a few things here.
>> All right. Uh, in the past, the

776
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,599
commercially zoned areas for the
township not defined a definite pattern

777
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,640
nor were carefully planned. Given growth
on the island, it may be necessary to

778
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:29,079
resone additional parcels for commercial
development and use on a limited basis.

779
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:35,920
Um, given all of the above, the township
finds it is prudent and reasonable to

780
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:39,920
enact a limited and temporary moratorium
regarding the reszoning of any property

781
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:44,000
to the C1 mixed commercial of the C2
general commercial zoning districts

782
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:47,760
until the above matters are resolved.
During that time, this will be on page

783
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:52,559
three. That time the moratorum created
pursuant to this ordinance is in effect.

784
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:56,880
There shall be no lot, parcel, or
property reszoned to either C1 mixed

785
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,680
commercial or the C2 general commercial
zoning districts.

786
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:03,359
» That's correct. While the moratorum in
this ordinance is in effect, neither the

787
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:08,079
township nor any township official,
employee, board, body or commission

788
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:13,119
shall process any application nor shall
any issue any reszoning or zoning

789
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:16,880
approval permit, liquor license,
building permit or other township

790
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:21,119
license or approval for any of the
reasonings prohibited in section three

791
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:24,960
of this ordinance. This moratorum shall
not apply to any areas of properties

792
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:29,359
already zoned as either C1 mixed
commercial or C2 general commercial

793
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:34,000
under the zoning ordinance. Down in
section 7, this moratorum shall be in

794
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:38,720
effect for 9 months following the
effective date of this ordinance. This

795
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,480
is an ordinance to impose a temporary
moratorum on the reszoning of any

796
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:46,079
property to either the C1 mix commercial
or the C2 general commercial zoning

797
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:50,880
districts as well as a moratorium
prohibition of any blah blanc township

798
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:56,799
zoning approval permit or license for
any such resigning.

799
00:58:54,319 --> 00:59:02,720
That'll be in effect. Now, the motion
you would like to make is

800
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:07,760
» I would like the um township board to
give the plan commission authority to

801
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,559
get some estimates and to seek out a
consultant

802
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,119
» to help us with this.
>> Yes, ma'am. I'd make that motion.

803
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:17,760
» Second.
>> Second. Please call the role.

804
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,720
Yes.
>> Sally. Tom.

805
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:24,119
» Yes. Danielle.
>> Yes. Yes.

806
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:33,359
All right. Thank you, man.
It's good thinking, too.

807
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,359
Ask him if he's got a busy winter
planned.

808
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:46,640
Okay. Farmers market uh post Labor Day.
This issue is uh

809
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:52,799
pertinent to the equipment that is being
moved from Rereath Riley from the marina

810
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:58,319
to the airport to begin the airport
project runway construction. Uh the

811
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:03,040
biggest concern right now in terms of
transit transiting that equipment,

812
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:07,200
they've got a paper, heavy aggregate
trucks, an asphalt planted, all kind of

813
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:11,040
heavy stuff that's coming through here.
And uh the biggest concern for that

814
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:15,440
would be obstacles in the road, vehicles
parked on the side of the road from the

815
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:18,640
marina all the way to the airport. Uh
our biggest obstacle as a township to

816
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:22,559
address and that as far as I can tell
would be farmers market parking. So, I'm

817
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:29,040
going to ask the board. I'm not sure
when their last day would be after Labor

818
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:34,880
Day anyway, but I would ask the board to
uh make the decision together that uh

819
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:38,720
after Labor Day there are no more
farmers markets to make sure the road

820
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:44,559
remains open through here as wreath
rattle begins hauling that heavy.

821
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:48,400
» Yeah, it is. Okay. But just in case and
we'll communicate with anybody else, any

822
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:53,760
vendors, any farmers in Shabboan so that
way nobody shows up have not been told

823
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:57,319
» we're worried about because they usually
come in to support

824
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:05,440
» that we're talking farmers. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

825
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:10,160
» And we can also put a note out to any of
the other businesses like knives

826
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:13,680
whatever anybody on that stretch and let
them know this is heavy equipment coming

827
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:17,280
through. We do not want vehicles on the
side of the road there and we do

828
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:21,599
whatever we can to work with Boston law
enforcement to keep that an issue.

829
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:25,680
You've got a shinook helicopter you can
just drop

830
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,747
this way.
>> Yeah. [laughter]

831
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:34,799
» Should what? Move the farmers market to
the trans station.

832
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,680
» Carl, you okay with that? [laughter] He
says no. Can't do it

833
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:40,960
» as long as you get free.
>> Well, let's let's make the motion that

834
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:45,200
way. we just make the decision
definitive and we can put the word out

835
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:48,240
to people so that we don't waste any of
their time with our energy. That be okay

836
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:51,680
with y'all.
>> So moved.

837
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:55,480
» Thank you. We have a second. Thank you.
Please call the roll back.

838
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,440
» Call Sally.
>> Yes.

839
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,400
» Tom.
>> Yes.

840
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:03,117
» Samuel.
>> Yes.

841
01:02:01,097 --> 01:02:03,117
[clears throat]

842
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:08,319
» Okay.
Then, um,

843
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,760
finally, we've got the increased
internet package for the marina. I don't

844
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:17,760
have the exact contract here. Do you
have it? I know the amount was

845
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:23,520
originally $39 or something. Uh, TDS for
them to go from there 15 megabytes per

846
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:27,200
second uh, internet speeds to 300
megabytes per second internet speeds,

847
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:31,359
mainly for the marina so they can handle
their security cameras and get higher

848
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:36,720
speed data. The cost was just
ballparking. I think $39 a month to

849
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:42,160
increase to 900 or 900
>> $99 a month. I'm sorry. $99 a month.

850
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:47,280
» Yeah, it's pretty pretty impressive
service. So, but the Harbor Commission

851
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:50,400
» the Harbor Commission uh did vote to
approve and recommend that to the board.

852
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:55,440
So,
>> notes that's all the notes I have is

853
01:02:52,480 --> 01:03:00,960
that it would increase to $99 per month
or 24 month contract. The router is

854
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,920
free, the adapters and all of that's
free. So,

855
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:08,000
» yep. And that's they verified on the
phone. I was with Brooke with TDS. It's

856
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,720
just a matter of hooking this over to
the new router and stuff like that.

857
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:15,960
Their internet speed's going to go up
out there. No other boss is associated

858
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:15,960
with it.

859
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:23,280
» You can't remember what exactly their
cost is right now. I want to say that

860
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,440
their cost right now is about 16
minutes.

861
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:34,880
» That's what I'm saying. It sounds more
like it wouldn't be about a 30.

862
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:37,680
» Okay. Okay. All right. Uh,
and that'll put their cameras in

863
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:43,280
operation. Realistically, they've got
seven high-speed cameras that upload

864
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:50,480
high high definition video to the cloud
and 15 megabytes per second is not going

865
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:53,520
to handle that. Not at all. So, um, we
did do the work on that. I've been

866
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:58,160
involved with that with TDS. I have the
contract on that and it is as valid. So,

867
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:02,079
I would make the motion to go ahead and
give them that they need to get started.

868
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,839
Do I have a second?
>> Second. Thank you, sir. Would you call

869
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,359
the LO, please?
>> Paul Sally.

870
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:08,559
» Yes.
>> Um,

871
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,000
» yes.
>> Damian,

872
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:14,799
» yes.
>> Yes.

873
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:19,760
» Motion's pass. Thank you.
>> Uh, Mr. Wyvernowski on behalf of the

874
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:24,559
harbor
also sent a request

875
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:29,280
uh and an email.
>> Mr. What did I Who did I say?

876
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:33,760
» Mr. Wyvernowski needs to read his emails
and make sure he doesn't type his name

877
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:34,799
up as Mr. Lauer. So, it's been a long
day.

878
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,640
» Yeah.
>> Uh Tom Low,

879
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,200
» right?
>> Quote, I would like to add one thing to

880
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:45,200
the agenda. Every October, the DNR
waterways division has a statewide

881
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:49,200
harbor masters meeting. Last year, we
collected much needed information which

882
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:53,839
led to the grant we obtained. I would
like permission to attend again this

883
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:58,799
year, October 12th, 13th, and 14 in
Alpena. The cost will be under 500 for

884
01:04:56,319 --> 01:05:02,000
three days of travel, meals, and hotel.
Now, to this, I'm going to respond

885
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,160
directly before asking the board to take
a vote on it. I've looked at the budget

886
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:11,920
for the Harbor Commission, and uh I
think Mr.

887
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:15,520
and his uh his fellow harbor commission
folks need to explain to the board how

888
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,480
they intend to pay for this out of which
accounts it's going to come and have

889
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:22,480
some accountability to the township on
that.

890
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:27,920
» Anybody else have anything to add?
>> They are so overbudget right now. I

891
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:31,520
can't I mean there are needs and there
are wants and there are this is not a

892
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,319
need.
>> Yeah. I mean, I know that there's

893
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:38,559
benefit in it, but I don't know what
what part of the budget he wants me to

894
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,680
take it from,
>> right? Try to get the accounting

895
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:46,880
somehow.
>> Can we do it again in a couple weeks

896
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:51,599
possibly? I I can provide we can pass
that along to him and I can provide him

897
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:56,160
a copy of the revenue and expenditure
reports the way they are right now and

898
01:05:53,359 --> 01:06:00,720
having bring it back to the board with
an answer as to

899
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:04,000
» what the recommendation is that they
take it out of

900
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,319
» Okay. Would you be okay with that table
for

901
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:11,920
» Oh, sure. Do that.
>> Motion table.

902
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:17,200
» Have a second. Second call.
Got to get back to my piece of paper to

903
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:22,240
motion 19 of
>> the committee.

904
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:24,559
» Yeah. Two weeks from now, three weeks if
>> with the request that he give us

905
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:30,000
» right
>> the account details.

906
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:35,280
We do need to pay attention to
>> as our own

907
01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:41,359
» is is it legal to like I have travel
expense money don't in my account which

908
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:45,520
I don't use don't spend like like MTA
conferences or whatever.

909
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:48,000
» Well, I can look and see how much that I
don't think you have that much in yours

910
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:52,880
either right now.
>> Okay. Because um maybe we didn't budget.

911
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:56,480
If we did that, we would have to do it
with a budget amendment that would

912
01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:01,760
actually move it from one fund because
it would be moving from

913
01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:06,000
» um the general fund to the marina, which
is not a good thing.

914
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:10,000
» I'd like to see a bill, but exactly the
>> Okay. Right. So, we have a I didn't I

915
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:14,240
didn't catch who did, but we had a
motion to table and a second.

916
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:20,079
» A motion to second it.
>> Second, Sally.

917
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:22,240
» Okay. Uh roll call. Sally. Yes. Tom.
Yes.

918
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:25,520
» Damian myself.
>> Damian, do you want to respond to him or

919
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:30,200
you want me to respond to him with the
report?

920
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,200
» You did the last one. I'll do this one.

921
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:46,520
» An upate report for you. Mhm. Work.

922
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:59,119
All right. Correspondence and meetings.
>> I don't have anything special.

923
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:02,960
» Anything else? Correspondence and
meetings. Good. Leaison to the Harvard

924
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,680
Commission.
>> Um I missed the last time I wasn't here.

925
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,920
So,
>> okay. Here's the

926
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:13,680
» All right. Uh any board department
comments who could I don't Fire's not

927
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,440
here.
>> Airport's not here. I have a question.

928
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:21,120
» Sure. Was the DNR on the island last
week? You know, I thought I could have

929
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:24,159
swore I saw a side by side. He looked
like the DNR guy. I'm just curious.

930
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,480
» I'm not aware.
>> They come once.

931
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:31,040
» It's possible when I
>> I'm just curious.

932
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:35,640
» Huh?
>> Why you hiding your deer?

933
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,640
» Yeah.

934
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,839
» Yeah, I saw that.
>> One sec. What's that thing?

935
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:44,480
» We got law enforcement.
>> Yeah. Uh nothing really to report, but

936
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:48,000
reference TDS. Is that are they the same
people that would help with figuring out

937
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:51,279
that correct issue and has anybody
talked to the county?

938
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:56,640
» I I actually I just got a message into
them today to send a tech over uh in

939
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:59,920
fact I talked to Brooke to come over and
figure out what's happening over here at

940
01:08:57,839 --> 01:09:02,560
the phone lines at least and then we've
got higher speed internet coming this

941
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:07,520
way.
>> And then I have talked to the county to

942
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:11,759
let them know that we've got to have TGS
come out and look at the whole thing and

943
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:14,000
you're not the only one. I mean there's
an issue with the clinic line and

944
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:17,600
everything. So
>> yeah, we can't even log into the wagon.

945
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:21,719
» We'll come out with a whole list of
things that have to grass.

946
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:31,839
» Anything else to report though? Yep.
>> No.

947
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:35,679
Well, did you get a uh email price or
get an extra see if we can get it extra

948
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:40,159
done?
>> I haven't gotten anything from them at

949
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:44,400
all. I don't have a contact. Do you have
an email contact there?

950
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:48,640
» Yes. Or not? Matt, I Matt,
>> you just have a phone contact?

951
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:51,839
» Yes, I actually got her like two days
ago. [clears throat]

952
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,679
» They haven't called and left any
messages here and I haven't gotten any

953
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:59,760
kind of email. If you call her again,
give her my email address.

954
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:04,239
» Did you alert?
>> TDS.net. Yeah. Nope. Haven't heard

955
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:07,679
anything.
>> Uh, would you I'm gonna write down my

956
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:12,640
email address. Do it again. Send it to
her and send it to me. Forward them to

957
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:17,360
both of us. See?
Yeah. I mean, everything slowed way

958
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:18,640
down. It did fine. But I want it now for
next year. So,

959
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,600
» right.
>> Now's the time to do it.

960
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:30,159
» I'll give you my email here after the
meeting. Anyone else for department

961
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:36,640
report? Oh. Um, I can give you a little
update on the airport. Um,

962
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:40,960
Chris Bears informed me that he had a
conversation with Mr. Joe that in terms

963
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:45,760
of the concrete steps they were
originally discussing, they may decide

964
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:49,280
to go with wooden steps because those
might just be not only cheaper to

965
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:53,360
install but easier to maintain. There's
any sort of sinking or sagging in the

966
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:57,040
soil there over time as tends to happen.
Be easier to repair this with wood

967
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:02,560
instead of concrete. Easier to install
it, too. So, we'll wait to hear back

968
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:06,080
from those two on a number. Uh Mr. Juul,
after receiving the letter the township

969
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:10,239
sent him, um
>> Oh, yes. couple weeks ago got got pretty

970
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:14,000
active and appeared to go out there and
start making some progress. Then I got a

971
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:20,000
picture that he busted looked like a
maning cylinder on his big machine. So

972
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:25,360
we're uh we're kind of
trying to keep a straight face here. But

973
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:30,560
anyway, um he's he's appears to be
underway, but I also think that in the

974
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:35,199
interim, depending on how this goes, we
may need to with Chris Beers look into

975
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:38,480
some other options to getting this stuff
cleared out.

976
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,920
uh what those are. I'm not even going to
speculate right now because that's a

977
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:45,760
whole host of of different issues we've
been going to have to go through. But

978
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:49,920
anyway, there was some progress on the
clearing and now the progress is has

979
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:54,960
kind of stopped again. So that's the
latest update on that. Outside of that,

980
01:11:52,239 --> 01:12:01,360
I don't think I have anything else.
>> I think you're

981
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:04,760
» okay. So Tom, all right, any other
questions, concerns?

982
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:12,719
All right, we'll call the meeting at
8:10 p.m. Thank you all for coming.

983
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,719
Is there a