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We're ready on the right.

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We'll bring to order the Bronze Accounting Board of Commission is regular meeting for November 17, 2025.

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I want to thank everybody for coming out using your time to come here and listen to what's going on in the county.

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So, it is appreciated that you are here.

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I will lead us tonight in our invocation and pledge of

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You would all rise, gentlemen, if you were in a cap, please remove it.

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Lord, we thank you for bringing us together tonight.

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We appreciate that everybody got here safe.

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We ask that you guide us, direct us, and keep us wise,

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that we make the proper decisions for all things that pertain to

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runs for county.

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We ask that you give everybody here the wisdom to please pay attention

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and understand what is going on.

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We ask that you keep all of our first responders, each and every one of them.

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Put their life on the line, every minute of the day.

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Please keep them all safe.

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and please keep everybody safe on their journey home this evening. We ask these things and

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you're most holy and precious name. Amen.

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Okay, we all have our agenda in front of us.

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Are there any adjustments to tonight's agenda? If not, I need a motion to approve.

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approval.

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Time's in Williams.

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Okay, this is the part where...

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We're going to public comments. I have quite a few names on here this evening.

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So please know the rules for public comments. Each speaker may speak for three minutes if you have a group of people, which is basically five or more.

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One person can come up and speak for eight minutes, but I don't see that on here tonight, so I don't think that's going to be the case.

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When you come to the podium, please make sure that you state your name and address for the records in the minutes.

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All comments shall be civil.

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There'll be no personal attacks, no obscenities or derogatory or slain-the-risk remarks.

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What comments regarding anybody's candidacy for office, hopefully that wouldn't even

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be the case since we just had an election or we can have it up.

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Speakers should not expect the commissioners to engage in dialogue, they'll be no backing

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back and forth.

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This is your time to state what you would like to and what it is you would like to talk

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talk about. So with that we will move on, first on a list, Timmy Evans, Timbo,

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Kmano.

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Good evening Mr. Chairman and commissioners. My name is Timmythi Dale Evans

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and I'm a property owner and taxpayer here in Brunswick County. I live at 3199 Project

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Road North West. I stand before you tonight because many of us, whether our land touches a

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club or sits miles away have lost the full use of your property. We own the property we pay taxes on

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and the property we are supposed to enjoy in peace. North Carolina Law says a human hunter must

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have written permission to step across my fence line yet the same law gives unleashed hunting dogs.

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A free pass to roam wherever they please. Packs are released from club tracks and leases and within

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minutes they are on my land. It could be your land and the land of every family in this county

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who happens to fall inside a tube to fire mile circle of those release points. This is most of us now.

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The results are simple and brutal. At my house our pets cannot be let out on the 20 acre track

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that we own in managed. He must be restrained as so as not to be attacked or attacked towns in

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established boundaries. Fluplots are abandoned crops or damages can not be picked, loss

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of revenue. The loss of any acillary use of our property such as a peaceful walk, walking

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to dog or simply enjoying the property without fear of having to engage a pack of unfamiliar

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homes. The most recent loss of our property is the rescheduling of my non-year-old mother's

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annual Christmas event, which has been held at my home for years. It had to be moved due

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the concerns of dogs and the hunters that accompany them inundating the property and creating

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an active nuisance.

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Her children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren participating in the high forties cannot

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have a family event on roughly 10 acres out of a real fear of confrontation with unwanted

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packs of dogs traversing the property.

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This is not a neighbor next to the club problem, this is a Brunswick County problem.

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Our county has more than doubled in population since 2000 from 73,000 to 153,000 souls in 2024.

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We've added 46,000 new residents since 2010.

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Thousands of new homes set on one quarter, one, two, and five acre lots.

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We've become the very picture of the development and traffic density that calls the general family decades ago

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to ban unrestrained dog deer hunting west of the dog deer line.

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The condition they banned it for about then exists here now,

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right here in Brunswick County and they are getting worse by the month.

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Commissioners, you have the power to declare that this outdated loophole

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has no place in modern rapid, rapidly growing county.

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I respectfully ask you to not to do three things.

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Direct staff to prepare a resolution stating

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clear that the current,

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dull, trespass loophole is incompatible with public safety

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and private property rights in Brunswick County.

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Direct the County Attorney to work with County staff to either

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amend or include texts that prohibits

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dolls from roaming on private properties without proof of consent.

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This can be included in the nuisance section

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of county ordinance.

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Record all-honey members to carry a copy of their lease

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electronically or paper for proof of permission to hunt marked or unmarked properties.

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Every single resident of this county deserves to use every square foot of the land we own

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without fear and without intrusion by dogs from a dog hunting club.

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I thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Timber.

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Cindy Henry?

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman and ladies and gentlemen of the Board of Commissioners.

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I'm Cindy Henry, my husband, and I live at 310 Green Hill Road in Winnebeau, and I'm here to voice

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my concerns about the tremendous amount we are paying for fire tax. We've noticed in the last

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couple of years that it has skyrocketed. This year our fire tax is almost as much as our property

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taxes. My husband owns the small business in Leland and we live on a farm land we have lived

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for 45 years, which is undeveloped land, which never will be developed because it is in the

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nature, Conservancy Land Trust, and it is all farm land and woods and our house. The

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fire tax on this property alone is over $2300. The Leeland Fire Tax adds another $800. And I

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did call and check with Mr. Smith. He was very nice to make sure that what the county was charging

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us is accurate and he did look at every account and confirmed that yes, that these were the correct

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amounts we were charged. However, this seems to be a really large amount to pay over $3,000

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just for fire tax. I have a farm in Georgia and Heritage that is of a similar size as our

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farm, farm lands, and woods, and one house, and my fire tax on that property is $60.

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I wonder what this large amount goes to, or are we just building more fire houses on every corner,

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or do we buy brand new fire trucks every year?

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I know part of the answer is with the over-development that we probably have more fires and more wrecks.

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But yet I don't think that the property owners necessarily need to be based on your acreage.

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It seems like there's some other way that fire taxes could be more equitable.

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We are just trying to maintain our land and not develop it and it seems like that we have more and more increasing taxes.

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Thank you and I would appreciate your consideration in figuring out how to fund our fire services more economically and more equitable.

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the way. In other ways than just adding more taxes to us property owners who are ready in

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her significant property taxes. Thank you. Can you go to see property address again?

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I came this evening because I was made aware that there was potentially going to be some opposition

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to the improvement building for animal control services.

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I wanted y'all to know that I have been in the animal advocacy rescue area for more than 20 years

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in this area. And our business is at 6033 Ocean Highway East, so I'm part of Fixer Friends

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newter clinic. When I learned that there may be some opposition to this

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improvement, it struck me to my heart that I felt I needed to attend this meeting

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tonight. I am not a public speaker by any stretch of the imagination.

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I just wanted to

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come and let you all know that when we cannot speak for the voiceless in our county and

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And what was brought up was a lot of other avenues that these funds could be attributed to

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and I totally understand that.

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But when we cannot advocate for the voiceless in our county, then we are not doing the

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citizens or the voiceless of this community any type of justice.

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So I'm hoping that with the considerations that are being taken tonight as far as this building

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is moving forward is that you will consider allowing them to make this improvement for animal welfare.

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It isn't anything that the private sector can handle. I'm in the private sector and we are often inundated with animal rescue.

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So to think that it's something that we can manage on the outside without the county's assistance is just not a realistic expectation.

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So I hope that we can move forward with the project that's being presented tonight to the board.

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I appreciate your time.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Bill Flith.

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I don't even see you walking, buddy.

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It even commissioners and staff members.

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I am William Flith, a resident Southport.

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I live at 620 East London Street in Southport.

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And here tonight to encourage the board to pass a resolution

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to support and support of the town of selection and funding of a proposed route for the Carolina

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Bayes Partway Extension. I attended the huge public meeting for this project at Senset

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Beach on October 23rd and later sent the following comments to the North Carolina Department

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of transportation in these of my comments. I prefer alternative 4A because alternative 4 connects

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too quickly with Highway 17 creating a potential bottleneck for miles. The ultimate goal should

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be an express road that runs parallel to US 17 until it connects to I140. Based upon the rapid

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growth and bronze at Brunswick County housing, this upgrade and infrastructure should be expedited

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as soon as possible. Unfortunately, Brunswick County has lagged behind similar transportation

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groups in nearby counties. Orary County in South Carolina has completed the bypass highway

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S.C. 31, I forwarded crosses the entire county of New Handover County.

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Tenant County has completed the bypass around St. Heo.

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Brunswick County is always indicated a weak link.

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There were multiple routes to a potential second bridge across the Cape Fierre River a few

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some years ago that led directly to the state poets.

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Now, multiple developments, particularly a bunch of force, block these routes.

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Please do not allow history to be repeated, pick a route, and then fund it.

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So these are my comments who can't see the O.T.

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And I am adding a note tonight to this board.

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Another option for this board is who publicly announced

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is trust and in CDOT, selecting the best route, and to encourage the North Carolina General Assembly to provide adequate funding in a timely manner.

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Yes, this extension is a hot-button issue, but I will quote a former president if he can't stand the heat yet out of the kids.

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Thank you.

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Surely Sullivan?

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She's not here right now.

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All right, come on up.

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We have your.

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Is this, are you going to read this or this is okay?

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Good evening. My name is Judy Andrewsack.

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I'm from Ocean Island.

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Carolina Bay's Parkway Extension Plans suck.

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None of the proposed seven roots are viable as a old dump more traffic

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to 17 in Shalot. All the routes demonstrate a four-lane highway, meant to connect two

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six-lane highways, rendering it obsolete before it's even built. You want residents to pay

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for this fiasco to the tune of close to $800 million. At that figure why not have nc.pro

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all of Brunskov's roads.

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Add more badly needed ingress.

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Gresh Road. Make 176 lanes, Georgetown 4, 904, 179, 130, Longwood, Holden Beach, 87, all 3 lanes. Run a new 4 lanes of road in supply, directly to 95, since you want more businesses and tourons. We aren't asking for these changes, we're demanding better roads. Fix what we have, dot has road and gas taxes that no one seems to know exactly where they're applied, or certainly not used and run to Wick.

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With a higher elevation construction fiber by the mass developments along our cake, two

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lane roads with no pullover areas, the ponds are too big, the retention ponds are too

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big, and too close to these roads, they'll flood the old roads.

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Token and developer landscape palm trees don't have the root systems to hold an absorb water,

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which will create more flooding and destruction.

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It's incomprehensible what this board and planning board are committing and permitting in

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runs with using, excuse, our hands are tight, while other counties are moving forward with

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eliminating PFOS, slowing growth, listening to their constituents, complaints, and suggestions

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to improve their infrastructure, while Brunswick sits complacent with their agenda.

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Wake up, we accepted you to protect our well-being livelihoods and safety, while promoting

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our culture, land, and responsible growth, none of us voted for the reckless growth catering

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developers because they fear a lawsuit. I guess it's easier to submit to a

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developers' demands than those people you're supposed to be serving. The board

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and planning board should have been studying and considering when and where

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county requires new roads, hospitals, businesses, schools, medical centers and

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expanded utilities instead of submitting to developer demands while ignoring the

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voices of their constituents. We demand strong leaders who are unafraid to make

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thoughtful decisions. We demand total inclusion in the growth process with public notices, hearings,

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and our voices. We are the voters. And we will not be excluded or silenced from any process

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as either board is rubber stamping. Thank you.

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Gary Oatspe,

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good evening. Gary Oatspe, 1156,

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Lee'sburg Drive, Leeland. I'm here tonight because of an article that appeared in next door.

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It was regarding the fact that the Brunswick County has decided to go into business, competing

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with the private sector, creating an animal adoption service.

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And the price tag, $10 million dollars, and I looked at that and I said, you got to be kidding

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me.

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We got so many infrastructure issues in this county right now because of the growth of this

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county in the last few years, we've got medical facilities that we need.

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We've got emergency services to handle the new people.

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We've got Deputy Sheriff's that we need to add to the work force, just to take care of all the new people.

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We've got recreational facilities that we need to support the people, and in addition to that, we're now in need of new schools.

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And the latest thing is, we don't have enough money to do that, so we've got to have a bond issue to take care of that.

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$10 million is a lot of money. Going back to next-door, it's very rare that you see 100% of the people

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support an issue. The only people that didn't support not giving $10 million to compete with the

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private industry were people who didn't know that services could exist already and runs with county.

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All you got to do is do a search on next-on-google and it'll tell you where all you can go if you want to

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So it's not like this is not something new but now you're going to go in business to compete with the private industry.

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I don't think that's right. All I'm trying to say is is that when you look at people and you ask them questions from the residents,

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they want their money spent on things that help their quality of life issues.

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I just listed a lot of them and you all know what those quality of life issues are.

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You got $10 million to spend, I'm going to tell you the residents want it spent on their issues first.

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Thank you.

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Carol Bridges?

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I'll say that, right?

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Or some Bridges.

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And no war at the end.

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This is Bridges.

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Pardon me?

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Carol Bridges.

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Bridges like Bridges over Madison County.

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Chubber over Bridges water.

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Bridges water?

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Bridges water?

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Yeah, you know.

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Good evening commissioners, if I could have all your attention, I have a very short comment

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to make.

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My name is Carol Bridges, and my husband and I are residents of the Wyning River community

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here in Brunswick County.

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The address is 1798, Urchin Lane, Southeast in Bolivia.

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Two years ago, this past September, I and some others formed a 501C3 called Wyning River

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Pots for a cause.

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Our goal is to raise money for no kill shelters

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in our own sheriff's animal services.

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This past October, we are proud to say

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we were able to donate $2,500

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to the sheriff's animal services medical fund

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in our second year.

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We are a community that as a whole believes

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in the sheriff's future goals

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to not only support the animals of our county,

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but also the people that own them.

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Please vote yes to forward our sheriff's office's goals to grow with the county so that all

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may have greater services.

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And I believe I'd like to correct on the last statement that it's 5 million, not 10 million.

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Thank you so much.

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Josh Kirby.

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David, how are you all doing today?

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I just wanted to speak on the agenda tonight.

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How the schools are over capacity, you're being asked tonight to approve over a million dollars for four modular classrooms.

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I don't believe those are long-term planning, those are emergency responses.

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Mr. Pete, when you must repeatedly add temporary classrooms, that is the definition of inadequate public facilities.

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facilities, which North Carolina law 160-107 identifies as a valid condition for a temporary

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development pulse. The storm water standards are not protecting people. You are also

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voting on a storm water ordinance provision that acknowledges the current system is not sufficient.

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The proposed language admits developments often can't meet a hundred-year requirement.

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The variances will regular be needed, and in some cases projects may be downvaded to a 25-year standard.

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These issues fit exactly what the moratorium law was written for.

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Public facilities are going to be adequate, if a structure can't keep up, or regulations need

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to be updated to protect public safety.

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The agenda tonight includes two separate examples of those conditions, overcrowded schools

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and insufficient stormwater protections.

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This is not about stopping growth, it's about Iranian development, the capacity to hand

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Victoria. It is fine to discuss limitations, but the law is equal to clear about your authority.

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The temporary development policy is legal when the county needs time to fix the systems that are falling behind.

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Your own agenda items show those systems are falling behind right now.

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I'm not asking for a moratorium tonight, I'm asking for an honest acknowledgement.

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And the conditions that justify temporary polls in adequate schools and in adequate storm

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water protections are apparently documented in tonight's agenda.

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Recognizing that doesn't stop growth and ensures growth is responsible, sustainable

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and safe for the people who live here.

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Thank you.

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May I be in the back with the purple shirt?

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Are you Shirley Sullivan?

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You're not on the list.

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I don't have your name on this list.

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Public hearing.

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It's just.

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Kirby.

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So I don't hear it all.

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The last name is White. That's just Josh Kirby before the

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public here. Yeah, right here. Oh, he wrote it in the wrong column.

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Me too. Come on up,

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this way.

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Good afternoon everybody. Before I start speaking tonight, I wanted to hand you

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some stuff to look over. Well I speak. The first packet of stuff is an article that

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mentions my daughter in myself about the capitalization on the AI boom and

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expansion of commores. The second one here is my well-water results.

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Tonight I'm going to represent Rosalind County Conservation Partnership talking

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about water in the expansion of commores in my daughter. Good afternoon, everyone.

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My name is Carl White. I am here today not just as a concerns citizen, but

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as a mother, and mother whose child has paid the price for someone else's pollution.

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When I look at my daughter, I see innocence, strength and resilience, but I also see paying

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calls by something that never should have entered our lives, toxic PFAS.

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Chemicals made and released for decades by commorse, favorable works plant right here in North

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Carolina.

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Since the early 1980s, this facility has dumped for ever chemicals into our air, our rivers,

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in our soil. Potaminating the cave of your river which supplies drinking water for hundreds

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and thousands of people, including families just like mine. These chemicals don't break

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down, they build up in our bodies, in our children, and the fish that we eat in the water that

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we drink. When commores now ask to expand their operations, they're not talking about progress,

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they are talking about continuing a cycle of harm. This expansion means more emissions, more

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place and more exposure.

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And every new ton of PFAS produced is another nail in the coffin, an environmental justice

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in eastern North Carolina.

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I was born in 1980, the same year that that commores plant, the parent company, the commores

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is parent company, due pot, began releasing PFAS into our water.

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Back then, nobody warned us, nobody told us that our communities would be living science

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experiments or collateral damage.

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years later, I get birthed to my daughter. I believe with every father in my being that those

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chemicals that float through our tap and into our bodies affect her development before she

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ever took her first breath. Peepas don't just pollute the environment. They change the human body.

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They disrupt hormones. They affect the brain. They affect development of the brain and call

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genetic mutations and can cause lifelong disabilities. My daughter challenges are my daily

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minor that corporate profits should never ever come before human lives. Today I

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seen here today to say enough is enough, enough poison our water, enough

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pertaining this is normal, enough sacrificing our children's future still in

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their potential for companies bottom lines. We do not need an expansion, we need

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accountability, we do not need promises, many protection, we need North Carolina

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Department of Environmental Quality and our latest officials to say no to the

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more expansion. And yes, to our rights to clean air, clean water, and to safe future for our children.

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If commercial, to expand anything, let it be their responsibility, let them expand their cleanup efforts,

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their investment, and safe alternatives, and their commitment to restoring the damage they have done,

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I will keep speaking up from my door, your children, and for everybody else's that's sitting behind me tonight.

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Also, I would like to say that with little discussion, the Wilmoton City Council recently passed a resolution

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opposing a proposed expansion of Commaure's Fayetteville Works, I hope that, Brunswick County

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can do the same.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You're Ms. Sullivan?

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Yes.

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Come on up.

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Thank you.

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Shirley Sullivan, 5-0-0-2-C record, Southport.

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I was stuck in traffic to get here.

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It took me almost an hour from Southport.

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Thank you for hearing me.

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Public safety, over-development, traffic studies,

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and zoning irregularities are my concern.

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In my review of traffic accidents per NCDOT data,

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traffic accidents have increased cumulatively,

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64% from 2010 to 2022.

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You would think that the increase would be relative to the increase in population.

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The increase in population for the same 12 years is 54%.

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The traffic impact analysis engineering reports indicate 1 or 2% for every plant development

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in Brunswick.

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County, that is what's allowed by the state. But birds a quick county population growth is more like

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four to half percent a year. And if the correct growth rate were used, it wouldn't matter. The

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traffic impact analysis process does not address public safety. It is geared to what needs to

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be changed for the existing roads to accommodate the estimated vehicle trips per day, adding a signal,

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or a term lane is not enough. Look at these large developments in unincorporated areas that

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have been approved or are upcoming in application, but not built yet. Midway Track 3612

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units, Rice Creek 3400 units, Carolina Strand 1500 units, and Make-O Track 12500 units. In my

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of a two-eleven quarters, I found that 11,000 units have been approved, but not built yet.

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With a current calculation used in TIAs, that's an additional 33,000 to 110,000 vehicles per

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day on top of the existing traffic.

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The STIP R5021 widening project of two-eleven is already outdated.

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And now we are finding that residential developments built in commercially zone parcels do not require public hearing, talk about transparency.

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Four developments in or next to the Long Beach Road extension did not require a TIA.

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As there ever been a TIA done on the extension that was finished in 2016, this is an evacuation route.

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Do you live within five miles of the Duke nuclear power plant?

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Matsu, one of the world's largest munitions depots and our Atlantic Ocean, which further demands the need for evacuation routes?

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We all acknowledge that developmental first run the state,

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Raleigh, and Brunswick County, the Brunswick Blupert

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2040 comprehensive plan acknowledged the concern for public safety

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of its residents.

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Don't you think it's time to regard the public safety of your

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residents?

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Thank you.

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Jim Bradshaw,

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Chairman, commissioners,

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pleasure to be with you tonight's been a while.

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I'm here tonight to support the animal shelter.

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expansion. But first of all, I want to compliment the sheriff's office and their staff.

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They do a fantastic job at the shelter. I appreciate all they do. I volunteer there.

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Do a great job. The thing that we're looking at tonight, the animal shelter, has been,

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was built about 40 some years ago. It's way out of date. I know in the past they have looked at

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expanding it and never came up to you all so this is an opportunity tonight to look at it and see

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how it can improve our community because there's so many animals that have been gone there and

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have been adopted and I know several of you up here and over here and myself have animals and we need

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of a facility that's up to date that can handle the demand for pets in our community.

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So I appreciate you all considering that.

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I know that it's in the CIP, it will not increase our taxes, and it will be a great benefit

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for the community.

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So thank you all.

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Sue Lampman, hope I said that correctly.

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Pardon me?

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Okay.

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Good

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evening, Mr. Chairman and Honorable Commissioners.

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My name is Pat Kane. I live at 28, 94 Saint James Drive,

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South Fort in Budsville County.

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I'm a relatively recent member of resident of Budsville County.

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I've only been here since 2019.

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I'm someone who has been involved in animal welfare since I was a teenager.

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And I will tell you this, I have worked with the sheriff's animal protective services

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before, and I have never seen the quality of professionals that I have seen in

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were counting. Never, including big cities,

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we have incredible staff, we have a

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woefully inadequate facility.

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One of the things that I did for the shelter I

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worked at the front desk and families and individuals would come in and they

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looking for a pet, a cat, or a dog. And we had a facility to show them. Not the greatest

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but we had it. And we were able to pair many individuals and families and children with

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a pet and it was so wonderful to see these people come out. They were so happy to have

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a new member of their family. So you could say, can't this be done by the private sector?

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Actually it can be for some but not for all. The private sector shelters.

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They have a very,

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high fee if you want to adopt an animal. Because they need to cover their costs. Also,

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they impose a lot of conditions on the families or individuals to adopt an animal.

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If

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you really think about it, if you're not middle class, you cannot adopt an animal from

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private shelter. But in Brentwood County,

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our shelter you can, you don't have to have a fancy

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house, you don't have to be able to provide your dog with a $5,000 operation. You don't have

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to do that. But you can, at the sheriff's shelter, you come and you want to have an animal,

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You want to have it in your family, and you're going to love that animal, and you're going to get it spader-nooted, we can provide that for you.

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The private sector cannot. I cannot tell you the smiles and the love that comes out of the families in our county.

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who rely on the shelter to have their pets, because no, you can't get it from the private

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sector. Don't these people who don't have the most money in the world, don't they have

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a right to have a pet in their family?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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that concludes our public comments we will move on to the... excuse me we will move on to the

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consent agenda.

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I'll say I can cook Williams any discussion below those in favour please say aye

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aye

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any

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to the podium, I'm going to read this from here and then I will come down and present this

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to you.

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This is a proclamation designated November 16th to 22nd 2025 as National Hunger

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and Homelessness Awareness Week in Brunswick County, North Carolina. Whereas for several years,

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the National Coalition for the Homeless and National Student Campaign Against Hunger and Homelessness

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have sponsored National Hunger and Homelessness Awareness Week and, whereas, the purpose of this

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proclamation is to educate the public about the many reasons people are hungry and homeless

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in Brunswick County and to encourage support for those serving homeless families and individuals

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as well to inform the community of service opportunities for students and school organizations.

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and whereas there are organizations committed to sheltering providing supportive services

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as well as meals and food supplies to the homeless, including faith-based ministries and

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other nonprofit organizations which recognize that hunger and homelessness continues

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to be a serious problem for many in Brunswick County, and whereas the intent of national

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hunger and homelessness awareness week is consistent with the activities of local organizations

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that assist with the needs of the hungry and homeless.

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Now, therefore, the Bronze Accounting Board of Commissioners, thus hereby proclaim November

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17th through 25th, 2025, as National Hunger and Homelessness Awareness Week, and encourages

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all residents to recognize that many people lack adequate food and housing and need support

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01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:11,620
from the community as well as governmental and non-profit service organizations. This, the

449
01:11:11,620 --> 01:11:18,960
7th day of November 2025 signed Mike Fortay, chairman. With that I will make a motion for approval.

450
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,140
I got a bunch of them.

451
01:11:21,340 --> 01:11:22,740
Darrell and you get any of those names.

452
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,860
Would everybody like to come down for this presentation?

453
01:11:27,380 --> 01:11:27,860
I'm so looking.

454
01:11:43,140 --> 01:11:44,260
I'm from Fort Wittner, Joe.

455
01:11:44,260 --> 01:11:44,600
Hi.

456
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:45,400
Hi.

457
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:47,220
You're just saying that's a door.

458
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:47,820
Good.

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01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:48,320
Good.

460
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:48,580
Good day.

461
01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:50,140
I'm back.

462
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:52,680
Good.

463
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:52,740
Good.

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,020
Good.

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01:11:54,380 --> 01:11:54,400
Good.

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01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:55,020
Good.

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01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:55,140
Good.

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:55,920
Good.

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01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:57,580
Good.

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01:11:59,220 --> 01:12:07,580
It's everybody would balance this body.

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01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,300
If I get the giant standing behind it, this is it.

472
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,540
One, two, three, one, two, three.

473
01:12:21,140 --> 01:12:21,980
Congratulations.

474
01:12:21,980 --> 01:12:25,180
We appreciate what you do.

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01:12:33,610 --> 01:12:34,490
All

476
01:12:55,870 --> 01:12:56,750
right.

477
01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:58,810
We need that back.

478
01:13:00,070 --> 01:13:00,310
OK.

479
01:13:00,570 --> 01:13:02,110
Moving on.

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01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:03,990
We have a resolution.

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01:13:04,530 --> 01:13:05,710
Commission of Williams.

482
01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:08,270
We'll be presenting.

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01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:14,490
This is a resolution opposing the Fuqua Verena Interbasin Transfer request.

484
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:16,490
So I will explain what that is.

485
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:20,530
This is also a three-page resolution, so I am not going to read the entire thing.

486
01:13:20,670 --> 01:13:24,870
I will not put you through that, because it's some pretty boring stuff, but I will summarize it.

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01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:30,050
In a nutshell, we get our drinking water from upstream in the Cape Fear.

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01:13:30,130 --> 01:13:35,550
And as we've heard tonight, there have been some problems with that, which is why we're unrelated to this and litigation with commores.

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01:13:37,090 --> 01:13:40,410
But you get your water from a specific river basin.

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01:13:40,410 --> 01:13:54,790
Upstream, Fuqua Verena has submitted a request to the state to the Environmental Management Commission to move up to possibly 8 million gallons per day of drinking water from the Cape Fear River Basin to the new River Basin.

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01:13:55,130 --> 01:13:59,130
And there's nothing in there request that shows any plan to return that back.

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01:13:59,890 --> 01:14:09,490
So all of us downstream could be affected in years to come if they are allowed to take 8 million gallons per day of water out of our River Basin without putting something back.

493
01:14:09,490 --> 01:14:15,090
Um, as another piece of information, you know, our staff and lower

494
01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:19,110
care for water and sewer authority have been fighting these kind of things for years.

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01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:24,410
It took them five years to respond to an information request, then they wanted us to turn

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01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:27,230
around and have 60 days to review the information.

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01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:30,630
It took them five years to compile and get them an answer.

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01:14:31,390 --> 01:14:35,690
So, and they have scheduled public hearings and the closest public hearing to us is

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01:14:35,690 --> 01:14:38,250
in Fayetteville, not exactly a quick drive.

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01:14:38,250 --> 01:14:43,750
So I will read the resolved clauses, which are where we state what we're stating and asking

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01:14:44,370 --> 01:14:46,510
and they will also be on the screen.

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01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:50,610
Therefore, be it resolved that the Brunswick County Board of Commissioners formally

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01:14:50,610 --> 01:14:56,250
opposes the town of Fuqua, Verena's Interbasin Transfer Certificate request and the draft

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01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:58,930
environmental impact statement as submitted and amended.

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,160
Further, that the Board opposes any interbasin transfer certificate request affecting the Cape Fear River that does not account for the return of the water that's removed.

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01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:27,640
Further, that the Board of Commissioners request that the North Carolina Environmental Management Commission to allow the Cape Fear Basin water utilities, which are us, Cape Fear Public Utility Authority and Pender County, additional time to respond and submit comments to the environmental and statement, and the request is certificate.

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01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:33,160
The further requests that any extension of time be commensurate with the delay between when we

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01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,320
requested the information and the time that it was actually delivered.

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01:15:37,420 --> 01:15:40,920
Further, that the Board of Commissioners request that the North Carolina Environmental

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01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:45,540
Management Commission hold an additional fourth public hearing on the draft environmental

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01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:50,820
statement in New Hanover, Brunswick, or Pinder County during the month of December, or January

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01:15:50,820 --> 01:15:58,520
to December 2025, or January 2026, to allow the public to attend and provide relevant

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01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:03,560
comments on the environmental statement and the requested Intervacentransfer Certificate.

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01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,180
And it would be adopted this 17th day of November 2025, and I will move a pretty

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01:16:08,180 --> 01:16:08,980
second.

516
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,680
Well, Yums and Cook, any discussion?

517
01:16:14,380 --> 01:16:15,240
Mr. Chairman, I do.

518
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,640
I was at the New Hanover Commission this morning, and they passed a summer resolution.

519
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:26,580
And then, yes, I think this is quite unfair to allow this to take place, so as a result,

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01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,380
I firmly agree with that resolution.

521
01:16:29,700 --> 01:16:30,980
So thank you for bringing it forward.

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01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:36,180
And the basic position of the water utilities in this area is if you're going to take it, put it back,

523
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,380
when you're done, you know, put back what you take out.

524
01:16:38,620 --> 01:16:42,360
And they don't want to do that because that will double their cost of building pipes from a few quavering

525
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,120
or to wherever they're trying to get it from them.

526
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:49,520
I know I see at least one mayor in here and we're going to ask our clerk to send this to all the municipalities

527
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:54,740
we would ask every municipality and runs with county to adopt this. If you're on an HOA board,

528
01:16:55,900 --> 01:17:00,760
get your HOA to adopt this. The more pressure we put on them, because they were trying to

529
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:05,340
slip this through pretty quickly. And it's important that we understand a spotlight on this.

530
01:17:05,780 --> 01:17:11,160
Yeah, great. Any other discussion? I would just say I appreciate all the work that you did to get that

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01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:17,040
move and forward. And I give our staff credit for drawing this up, so thank you to staff as well.

532
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:22,500
Okay, no further discussion, all those in favor, please say aye.

533
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:22,940
Aye.

534
01:17:23,540 --> 01:17:24,220
Any opposed?

535
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:26,140
Thank you much.

536
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:28,960
Okay, cursed eviction.

537
01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:30,880
Come on up.

538
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:32,820
Commercial development dashboard.

539
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:38,710
Good evening.

540
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:39,890
Excuse me.

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01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:43,770
We are here to share our commercial development bed dashboard.

542
01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:45,750
We are really excited.

543
01:17:46,350 --> 01:17:48,990
I am going to turn over to Garrett Huckens.

544
01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:53,430
He created it, and it maintains it, and he'll be the best one to share all the information.

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01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:58,180
Thank you, Kirstie.

546
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,340
Good evening, commissioners.

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01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:01,720
Pleasure to be with you here tonight.

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01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:09,140
As you may recall earlier this year, I was here before you guys to show you guys the residential development dashboard.

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01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:17,380
And in that presentation, I told you guys that we were going to be developing a commercial development dashboard, kind of a commercial version of that.

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01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:20,180
And so here today too, show you that dashboard.

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01:18:20,820 --> 01:18:22,080
We have completed the development.

552
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,720
It is live on the website now.

553
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,400
It's been on there for a couple of months now.

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01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:29,200
So let's get into it.

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01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,020
So again, the dashboard's purpose.

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01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,080
It was created in response to requests from the community,

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01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:39,000
and runs with county leadership, such as yourselves,

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01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,640
for an online resource to view commercial development

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01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:43,540
within the county.

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01:18:44,020 --> 01:18:47,240
Very often, especially if I was presenting this to real

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01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:52,360
others and other people of the public when we were presenting our residential dashboard very

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01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:52,640
often.

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01:18:52,780 --> 01:18:57,960
We got a question of, well, this is nice, but what about the commercial stuff, and we're

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01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:02,140
in complete agreement, that is something that we definitely wanted to have?

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01:19:03,700 --> 01:19:11,000
So, the dashboard itself, the information on the dashboard contains data for commercial and non-residential

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01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:18,140
developments from 2019 to present that have been completed or under construction or currently being

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01:19:18,140 --> 01:19:24,600
reviewed by the county planning department. This data is broken up into 11 development categories

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01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,880
and five development statuses. I'll get into that in the second year.

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01:19:31,150 --> 01:19:32,630
So concerning the categories

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01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:39,270
themselves, I won't read everything on the screen here, but there's quite a few of them and we've

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01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:44,970
working it up to represent what we think would be in understandable categories for the public

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01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:47,390
that represent the data accurately.

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01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:53,790
So this could be a civic public category that would include government facilities, police

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01:19:53,790 --> 01:20:01,970
stations, fire stations, medical offices, churches, schools, things like that.

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01:20:03,050 --> 01:20:08,370
Also all the way down to things like retail sales and service, just retail establishments,

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01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:13,230
things from grocery stores to dollar generals and things like that.

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01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:19,970
So again, I won't go through those in two detail here, but on this next slide you can

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01:20:19,970 --> 01:20:24,690
see if you're on the dashboard and you do need to view any of the descriptions of these categories

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01:20:24,690 --> 01:20:29,930
you can view those on the right side of the development by clicking one of those buttons

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01:20:29,930 --> 01:20:32,010
so it'll come up with that description for you.

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01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:37,670
A bit about the statuses, as I said, there's five of them.

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01:20:37,670 --> 01:20:47,330
So, these basically break down from start to finish what kind of steps the development is going to take in terms of permitting with us in review.

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01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:56,470
So, the first step would be under planning review. This means that a site plan has been submitted to the planning department for formal review of that development.

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01:20:57,130 --> 01:20:59,770
Step two would be that site plan being approved.

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01:21:00,370 --> 01:21:04,810
This is basically our commercial review guys in the planning department approving their site plan

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01:21:04,810 --> 01:21:08,790
and telling them they're good with them starting to apply for permits to construct.

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01:21:09,770 --> 01:21:12,170
Step three would be the zoning permit issued.

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01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:19,210
This is typically in the permitting process, the first permit that will get approved before the fire permit

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01:21:19,210 --> 01:21:21,830
before the building permit and things like that.

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01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:24,790
So that just means it's been approved.

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01:21:25,190 --> 01:21:27,470
This is still in the pre-construction phase.

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01:21:28,490 --> 01:21:31,570
Once we get to step three, pretty much all of the data

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01:21:31,570 --> 01:21:34,990
that's behind these statuses are just our permitting records,

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01:21:35,150 --> 01:21:38,150
which are pretty easily attained by any one of us

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01:21:38,150 --> 01:21:39,430
in the planning staff.

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01:21:41,370 --> 01:21:43,470
So step four would be all permits have been issued.

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01:21:44,130 --> 01:21:46,550
So that means every single permit building permit

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01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:48,010
and everything has been approved

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01:21:48,010 --> 01:21:50,310
and they have now approved to start construction

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01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:56,730
on that development. And then step five would be the projects complete. So all the inspections have been completed

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01:21:57,890 --> 01:22:02,350
and it has the certificate of occupancy. It's finished and ready to go.

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01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,620
A lot of data is on this

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01:22:07,620 --> 01:22:14,320
dashboard and in an effort to help just navigate it and filter it a bit. There is a development,

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01:22:14,540 --> 01:22:21,220
I'm sorry, a data filter tool bar at the bottom there. This tool allows the user to filter the data

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01:22:21,220 --> 01:22:23,640
to only view developments of a certain category

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01:22:24,180 --> 01:22:25,740
or of a certain status.

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01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:29,060
So in an example here at the next slide,

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you can see the user has select,

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01:22:32,580 --> 01:22:36,100
use the tool to view only retail sales and service,

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01:22:36,620 --> 01:22:38,200
developments and restaurants.

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01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,460
And we have marked it just showing ones that are complete.

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01:22:41,820 --> 01:22:45,140
So as you can see, the map has been filtered pretty greatly

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01:22:45,140 --> 01:22:47,480
and it's now just narrowed down to those developments

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01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:50,480
based on that filter, the user itself.

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01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:58,200
When you zoom into a development, you can click on it.

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01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,240
And when you click on it, there's going to be a pop-up

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01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,020
informational pop-up that'll appear.

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01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:07,620
This will include the development name, category-use description,

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01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,280
status, and if completed a completion date.

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01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,660
Also, not viewable on the screen there, but when you scroll down,

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01:23:14,780 --> 01:23:17,480
there is also an attached site plan of the development.

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01:23:21,710 --> 01:23:27,370
A couple other tools here aside from the data filter, they're located down there, highlighted

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01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:28,350
in the yellow.

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01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:34,350
These are other tools that allow you to use it to view and analyze the data in various

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01:23:34,350 --> 01:23:35,350
ways.

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01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:38,450
I'll briefly speak on those real quick here.

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01:23:39,490 --> 01:23:44,970
These are also the same tools are available on the residential dashboard as well.

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01:23:45,250 --> 01:23:48,370
See, if you've used that, you might already be familiar with a couple of these.

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01:23:48,370 --> 01:23:54,890
But firstly, the data table tool that allows you to view the data and just a central

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01:23:54,890 --> 01:24:01,230
list, kind of like an Excel sheet, speaking of Excel, this tool also allows you to export

631
01:24:01,230 --> 01:24:06,990
that data to things like Excel or that kind of thing for further analysis and just sharing

632
01:24:06,990 --> 01:24:08,190
it, that kind of thing.

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01:24:09,310 --> 01:24:14,950
This search tool that allows the user to search the map for an address, a parcel number,

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01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:22,330
Or development name. So for example one way this could be used is if you just wanted to see all the dollar generals on this development dashboard

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01:24:22,330 --> 01:24:28,050
You can simply click the search put in dollar general and it'll pull up all of those on the mail

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01:24:28,050 --> 01:24:35,910
The near me tool that allows the user to find developments within a defined distance from a selected point on the map

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01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:40,490
So this could be you just select the your home on the map and just want to know what

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01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:45,270
developments are within, like I say, a five-mile radius around your home, that allows you

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01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:47,670
to do that in a pretty easy and intuitive way.

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01:24:48,590 --> 01:24:50,290
And then finally, there's a select tool.

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01:24:50,770 --> 01:24:56,330
This is just to create custom selections of various developments, maybe not in a contiguous

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01:24:56,330 --> 01:25:02,770
geographic area, but just based on your own parameters to allow you to do custom analysis

643
01:25:02,770 --> 01:25:05,410
of developments of your choice.

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01:25:07,300 --> 01:25:12,880
So a bit about the data, as I already mentioned, this data is compiled from the planning

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01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,540
departments, commercial review files, and county permitting records.

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01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:22,220
This dashboard will be updated at least monthly if not more frequently as time allows.

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01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:29,500
Typically for both the commercial and the residential dashboard, I'm updating these following

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01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:32,160
the planning board meeting the second Monday of every month.

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01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:36,340
So usually during that week, we're updating both the residential and commercial dashboards.

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01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,060
We'll also, I didn't mention this, but at the very top of the dashboard,

651
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:45,660
like the residential one, we will place the last data was updated,

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01:25:45,820 --> 01:25:50,700
so you can know if it's been updated since last you viewed it.

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01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,160
A couple of points here, I do want to stress first,

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01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:59,260
like the residential dashboard, this data only encompasses development

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01:25:59,260 --> 01:26:04,800
and runs with county jurisdiction, this does not show development, data for municipalities

656
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:09,360
in the county with the exception of the city of Northwest, they do contract with the county

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01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:10,900
for planning and zoning services.

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01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:17,300
Another point I really want to stress here is this application like the residential one is

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01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:19,860
not currently formatted for mobile devices.

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01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,140
So good luck trying to view this or access this on an iPhone.

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01:26:24,340 --> 01:26:27,160
I'll tell you, I've tried it on my phone, it's rough.

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01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:33,260
We, I'll get to it in a sec, we are planning though on releasing mobile versions of these apps,

663
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:39,620
but currently desktop or laptops definitely the best way to go when viewing these dashboards.

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01:26:40,660 --> 01:26:46,400
Also, one little side note, if you are using an laptop or desktop, if your zoom settings on your browser

665
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:51,340
have been adjusted, you might need to readjust those if you've zoomed in or zoomed out if that makes sense.

666
01:26:51,340 --> 01:26:52,840
What about app ads?

667
01:26:53,520 --> 01:27:00,720
For iPads, it'll be okay on an iPad because you got a larger screen, especially if you've

668
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:06,100
got like a 10-inch plus type 1, I will say though, it's still not perfect.

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01:27:06,260 --> 01:27:08,440
It's not going to be the same as on the desktop or laptop.

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01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:15,340
But we are going to be releasing mobile versions, though, for tablets and for phones as

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01:27:15,340 --> 01:27:15,560
well.

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01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:18,300
Those will be a lot more formatted for those.

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01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:26,240
Accessing the dashboard where you can find it, this is going to be at the same place the residential dashboard is.

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01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:32,940
So if you go to the county's website, go to the planning department page, it will be a section in there called development dashboards and maps.

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01:27:33,260 --> 01:27:38,620
You click that section and again it will be located right under the residential development dashboard.

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01:27:41,330 --> 01:27:48,010
Upcoming initiatives, we are looking to make another dashboard, a new one, this will contain

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01:27:48,010 --> 01:27:52,290
data for rezoning variants and special use cases.

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01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:58,790
Like I had said, we are looking to, this is high on our priority here, developing and releasing

679
01:27:58,790 --> 01:28:03,350
mobile versions of both the residential and commercial dashboard, and then also expanding

680
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:08,470
the data sets, especially for the residential one, I think there could be a lot of benefit

681
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:14,030
to including some older developments that are still currently under construction that pre-

682
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:19,570
their approval though, pre-dates 2015. So we'll be working to get some of those older developments

683
01:28:19,570 --> 01:28:20,530
on there.

684
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:27,640
And that's all I got for you guys. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to me.

685
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:34,120
Do you guys have any questions? Any questions? No, I look forward to using it. All right. Yeah.

686
01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:38,860
And definitely, if you guys do have any questions while you're using it, feel free to reach out to me.

687
01:28:38,860 --> 01:28:40,340
that we have one happy to have.

688
01:28:40,340 --> 01:28:42,260
Yeah, I've got a couple of questions.

689
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,920
You know, I can use my Google Maps,

690
01:28:45,140 --> 01:28:49,100
and it can feel me how many dollar generous there are in the area.

691
01:28:50,380 --> 01:28:53,260
What's the benefit that I'm going to get out of this?

692
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,620
Well, one of the benefits is you're going to be seeing things

693
01:28:56,620 --> 01:28:58,060
that are not currently constructed.

694
01:28:58,340 --> 01:29:01,660
So Google Maps is going to show you things that are currently in business.

695
01:29:01,980 --> 01:29:06,460
But if you're looking at a piece of land that's being developed and want to know what's going

696
01:29:06,460 --> 01:29:11,520
on there, Google Maps might not be showing a, say, dollar general that's going to be coming

697
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,240
one that only exists here.

698
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:18,220
Will it show me the progress that they're having in the system?

699
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:19,120
Correct.

700
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,480
Yeah, the status is step one through five.

701
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,400
That's basically a general view of that.

702
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:30,560
So it'll give you steps for when it's first coming in to review to the planning department

703
01:29:31,340 --> 01:29:34,960
when it's, you know, being permitted when it's under construction and when it's complete.

704
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:41,660
You know, whenever you came through and showed us the residential, we had some concerns

705
01:29:41,660 --> 01:29:47,660
because the planning department is not the only department that contracts with municipalities.

706
01:29:48,780 --> 01:29:54,420
We've got code enforcement that's out there and if they can't look at this information

707
01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:59,980
or have the benefit of looking at this information, because you choose not to show the

708
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,580
Information for the municipalities, then again, it's a tool that our own employees can't benefit from, like the residential.

709
01:30:13,340 --> 01:30:24,820
That is for it, it's only for planning services that we offer. But I don't, we don't have access to those databases that shallot, for example, does their planning services.

710
01:30:24,820 --> 01:30:30,320
And that would take a lot of intensive time and I'm really not sure that we have the staff resources to include

711
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:41,520
19 towns in our processes and nor but they might not want to participate. Leeland already has our own database and and so you know, that's kind of where we're.

712
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:42,920
Okay, all right.

713
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,820
While we're on this particular topic and trying to

714
01:30:47,820 --> 01:30:57,060
look at the progress of different construction activities, how far behind are we in plan

715
01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:57,900
review

716
01:31:00,750 --> 01:31:09,330
for commercial for plan review for commercial structure for engineering is about

717
01:31:09,330 --> 01:31:16,150
four to six weeks. Okay, that we're behind, that's right. Okay, how far behind are we on

718
01:31:16,150 --> 01:31:20,530
the inspections of those commercial facilities.

719
01:31:21,070 --> 01:31:24,690
Well, we're seven days on any kind of building inspections right now.

720
01:31:24,690 --> 01:31:25,070
Okay.

721
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:26,330
We're seven days.

722
01:31:26,770 --> 01:31:27,610
We're seven days.

723
01:31:27,650 --> 01:31:27,770
Yeah.

724
01:31:28,290 --> 01:31:38,130
And if I'm not mistaken, we have hired a lot of extra staff to address, I mean, after so long

725
01:31:38,130 --> 01:31:44,170
and being behind so much, we're going to get a call or letter from the state, saying,

726
01:31:44,910 --> 01:31:51,450
we're going to come to this for you. I mean, we're not near that, are we?

727
01:31:52,350 --> 01:32:01,070
We're actually past that, but that really doesn't exist. What the state does is, in theory,

728
01:32:01,230 --> 01:32:07,490
makes some inspectors available to you if you're behind there.

729
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:11,630
Expect to turn around time and they don't have them available either.

730
01:32:11,630 --> 01:32:22,430
but I'll give you a sneak peek at your next agenda, you're going to have an agenda item asking for more building inspector positions to be funded.

731
01:32:23,490 --> 01:32:24,590
No, no.

732
01:32:25,450 --> 01:32:26,650
Hold on to that one.

733
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:32,750
I mean, it's, I mean, we, I don't know.

734
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:35,010
We can talk about it.

735
01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:37,310
That's all I got.

736
01:32:38,190 --> 01:32:38,630
Thank you.

737
01:32:38,750 --> 01:32:39,590
Any other questions?

738
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:44,490
This two quick comments one to follow up on Commissioner Thompson's comment about the municipalities

739
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:51,110
I don't know how many of them have this like I know you said Leeland does I would recommend and you're probably already doing this

740
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:55,310
But on hours have a link out to the ones that we know do and if they don't maybe

741
01:32:55,790 --> 01:32:59,570
Give them a price to opt-in to ours if they're willing to do it, but don't mean obviously

742
01:32:59,570 --> 01:33:05,610
We couldn't do it at our expense, but if they wanted to opt-in and give us that data find out what the calls for me

743
01:33:05,610 --> 01:33:14,610
Absolutely and you're not the first one to mention the links and that is something I'm wanting to do to place links for similar resources around the area on the dashboard

744
01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:16,670
I think it would be a great benefit

745
01:33:17,770 --> 01:33:19,590
Anything else down there, sir?

746
01:33:20,130 --> 01:33:20,790
Thank you.

747
01:33:20,910 --> 01:33:21,250
Thank you so much.

748
01:33:21,370 --> 01:33:22,690
Appreciate it.

749
01:33:26,150 --> 01:33:26,670
Okay.

750
01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:29,030
Moving on.

751
01:33:29,230 --> 01:33:31,030
We're into the public hearing part.

752
01:33:32,630 --> 01:33:32,690
Engineering.

753
01:33:33,230 --> 01:33:34,170
Bridget Florech.

754
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:35,030
I'm on.

755
01:33:39,010 --> 01:33:42,710
I just have one slide to kind of get things started to do so.

756
01:33:42,710 --> 01:33:43,590
Thank you.

757
01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:44,450
See, where we are.

758
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:47,390
You like the one slide, the presentation.

759
01:33:47,870 --> 01:33:48,270
Okay, good.

760
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:54,370
So, at the last commissioner's meeting or maybe a couple of commissioners meetings go, we were

761
01:33:54,370 --> 01:33:56,490
brought, told to bring this back for public hearing.

762
01:33:57,230 --> 01:34:03,570
And we originally had the preverses post or water control requirements and some buffer requirements.

763
01:34:03,570 --> 01:34:09,370
Well, we've had to remove the buffer requirements due to some legal issues that we're working through.

764
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:17,570
So the only thing on there for today for the public hearing is the adding of the 100 year,

765
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:23,170
24 hours storm is a requirement that rather than a recommendation, with an exemption for smaller sites.

766
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:30,550
If they cannot meet, they have to provide us design and documentation that they cannot meet the 100 year.

767
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:37,670
And even then we may still ask them to meet the 50 year with the 25 year being the lowest we would allow.

768
01:34:38,970 --> 01:34:42,970
That's basically all we have for the public hearing today.

769
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:49,760
And that's the hundred year for the storage but not for conveyance, is that correct?

770
01:34:53,390 --> 01:34:53,430
Correct.

771
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:54,230
I have a question.

772
01:34:56,010 --> 01:35:02,640
Okay, let's go back to what we took out.

773
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:09,060
And what we could not address, and I guess my question is to legal, is this a state issue?

774
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:09,940
Yes, sir.

775
01:35:10,460 --> 01:35:10,640
Okay.

776
01:35:11,260 --> 01:35:13,780
And so, how do we go about changing that?

777
01:35:15,650 --> 01:35:19,890
We need to do some more research, and then probably ask for state legislation.

778
01:35:21,070 --> 01:35:31,010
We believe 2015, 2017, time period, a statute was passed saying that we could risk.

779
01:35:31,010 --> 01:35:40,070
We couldn't be any more restrictive on buffers than the state or the federal government.

780
01:35:41,610 --> 01:35:48,210
And we were going to apply our buffer to more slightly more areas.

781
01:35:49,330 --> 01:35:51,990
Okay, so you're going to be coming back to us.

782
01:35:52,010 --> 01:35:52,390
Yes, sir.

783
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:53,630
With the, okay.

784
01:35:54,170 --> 01:35:59,390
And then my other question is if we adopt the hundred year,

785
01:36:00,010 --> 01:36:04,390
Why would we even consider anything below 100 years?

786
01:36:05,850 --> 01:36:06,710
Well, the way, okay.

787
01:36:07,130 --> 01:36:07,470
Well, yeah.

788
01:36:07,610 --> 01:36:09,510
I mean, it's just normal procedure.

789
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:12,310
I mean, the most government entities.

790
01:36:12,490 --> 01:36:15,430
I mean, if you look at Leeland or New Handover County,

791
01:36:16,010 --> 01:36:19,230
they can, you know, we control the, they have to provide a documentation

792
01:36:19,230 --> 01:36:21,330
that they're controlling the one year, 10 year, 25,

793
01:36:21,630 --> 01:36:23,450
or have whatever years they do.

794
01:36:23,550 --> 01:36:24,930
It's just the standard practice.

795
01:36:24,930 --> 01:36:34,430
So if we adopt and we say that we need to see it a hundred years in theory it theory if you meet the hundred year

796
01:36:34,430 --> 01:36:42,270
You should meet the other ones, but that's not always the case. I mean, because the way the design of the storm water ponds and the outlet structures

797
01:36:42,270 --> 01:36:44,810
You know, it's every once in a while. That's not the case

798
01:36:46,570 --> 01:36:50,870
And the exemption for the smaller sites that would be like if somebody's developed and

799
01:36:51,390 --> 01:36:54,230
I have acres or something and even smaller than that.

800
01:36:54,570 --> 01:37:01,630
I feel like it would be these very small, small sort of small business types, one to two acres side.

801
01:37:01,650 --> 01:37:04,570
One or two acres side and they're trying to put a store front and nothing else.

802
01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:08,550
If you build a hundred years pond, all you have is a hundred year pond and no store front.

803
01:37:08,770 --> 01:37:10,250
All right.

804
01:37:10,290 --> 01:37:10,590
Okay.

805
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:11,870
Makes sense.

806
01:37:13,050 --> 01:37:13,610
I'm good.

807
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:14,070
I'm good.

808
01:37:14,090 --> 01:37:15,230
Why do you have any questions?

809
01:37:17,450 --> 01:37:17,890
Okay.

810
01:37:18,210 --> 01:37:19,970
I need a motion to go into public hearing.

811
01:37:19,970 --> 01:37:25,790
open cover here. Second. I've got Thompson Williams and Andy was a little bit

812
01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:27,430
quick at him. That's fine.

813
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:34,420
Oh no, I'm writing this down. Okay, so the public

814
01:37:34,420 --> 01:37:41,200
hearing is open. I have two names on my list. Oh that's what I could see.

815
01:37:41,740 --> 01:37:42,560
Josh Kirby.

816
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:48,700
Again, when you come up, please state your name and address for the

817
01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:49,120
records

818
01:38:02,370 --> 01:38:07,250
is Josh Kirby, 26, 90 Stone Team, the road in supply,

819
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:14,190
it shows that the actual

820
01:38:14,190 --> 01:38:21,090
ordinance of policies that's own rule with three exemptions. If run off increases by 5%

821
01:38:21,690 --> 01:38:29,450
then they still get an exemption. It said no net increase becomes plus 5% allow. If impervious

822
01:38:29,450 --> 01:38:36,170
area is under 15 percent. They get an exemption. It says they'll just cost their homes together

823
01:38:36,170 --> 01:38:45,130
and design around it. And if it cannot meet the 100 year requirement, they let them design

824
01:38:45,130 --> 01:38:47,290
at a 25 year in the stand.

825
01:38:51,740 --> 01:38:56,680
And that y'all had removed the one cause that demanded the 100 year

826
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:57,260
analysis.

827
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:06,060
It was only on the agenda on the website.

828
01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:10,720
So I just wanted to comment. Now I think

829
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:16,400
we should have a little bit better than a hundred year. If that's what the state requires,

830
01:39:20,140 --> 01:39:20,880
thank you.

831
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:35,840
Okay. Next on my list, Jared Patterson,

832
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:46,310
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Commission members.

833
01:39:46,990 --> 01:39:48,710
Just a few comments here for you.

834
01:39:49,210 --> 01:39:53,030
Jared Patterson, I'm CEO of the Business Alliance for a Sound Economy.

835
01:39:53,490 --> 01:39:59,250
Reversing 69 area employers in 9400 collective association members.

836
01:39:59,710 --> 01:40:03,870
Our mission is to provide policy and advocacy partnerships and collaboration

837
01:40:03,870 --> 01:40:09,030
to help our region grow in a smart and sustainable way that protects our quality of life.

838
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:12,670
while also welcoming capital investment in economic growth.

839
01:40:13,330 --> 01:40:18,050
I first want to applaud the Board of Commissioners and the county staff for the foresight

840
01:40:18,050 --> 01:40:22,930
of exploring the feasibility of a stormwater utility to improve conditions and persistent

841
01:40:22,930 --> 01:40:28,770
problem areas. While recent development and runs with county meets and in many cases exceeds

842
01:40:28,770 --> 01:40:34,370
current design standards, the more notable stormwater deficiencies across the county exist

843
01:40:34,370 --> 01:40:40,010
in long established development some of which predates stormwater engineering and also in public

844
01:40:40,010 --> 01:40:40,630
infrastructure.

845
01:40:41,670 --> 01:40:47,370
A stormwater utility can provide a real solution for these existing problem areas where

846
01:40:47,370 --> 01:40:50,150
ordinances have no practical effect.

847
01:40:50,890 --> 01:40:56,850
As to the ordinance before you, I wish to share just a few points of constructive feedback.

848
01:40:57,350 --> 01:41:03,810
First, I appreciate the recognition that it is unreasonable and necessary in some cases,

849
01:41:03,810 --> 01:41:11,650
not even practical for some sites to accommodate design criteria for 100-year event, namely with

850
01:41:11,650 --> 01:41:15,310
that provision for staff being able to grant those exemptions.

851
01:41:16,270 --> 01:41:20,850
I'm concerned, however, about the level of subjectivity and discretion that that does involve,

852
01:41:21,190 --> 01:41:24,210
and that it lacks a sufficient degree of predictability.

853
01:41:25,690 --> 01:41:31,590
Perhaps alternative approaches, or a new-maraded criteria could bring greater predictability,

854
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:34,130
or objectivity to the ordinance language.

855
01:41:34,930 --> 01:41:40,450
For example, data mapping that trigger heightened design criteria rather than blanket application

856
01:41:40,450 --> 01:41:46,630
of heightened design criteria from which certain sites are then exempted just as an example.

857
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:54,010
And then secondly, many engineers and developers with whom I've spoken express to me

858
01:41:54,010 --> 01:42:00,750
that they do utilize the 100-year event in their stormwater analysis to ensure that infrastructure

859
01:42:00,750 --> 01:42:06,990
are can safely manage such an event, however, safely managing the 100-year event is not

860
01:42:06,990 --> 01:42:12,470
necessitate always detaining the 100-year event to the pre-development flow rates.

861
01:42:13,090 --> 01:42:19,330
That can result in over-designed systems which bring unintended consequences like significant

862
01:42:19,330 --> 01:42:25,410
cost increases, which directly lead to higher costs for home buyers and for local businesses,

863
01:42:25,410 --> 01:42:29,450
and can further compound affordability and workforce challenges.

864
01:42:30,290 --> 01:42:32,210
Over-designing stormwater systems,

865
01:42:32,750 --> 01:42:34,990
also requires greater surface area,

866
01:42:35,490 --> 01:42:37,410
which negatively impacts tree preservation

867
01:42:37,410 --> 01:42:39,390
and tree planning opportunities,

868
01:42:40,170 --> 01:42:43,030
as well as useful open space for residents,

869
01:42:43,650 --> 01:42:46,710
without necessarily providing additional flood mitigation value.

870
01:42:47,110 --> 01:42:50,350
That's why it's so important for stormwater ordinances

871
01:42:50,350 --> 01:42:52,910
to use the right standard and level of precision.

872
01:42:52,910 --> 01:42:58,630
And in order to effectively manage risk while also achieving the right balance for communities

873
01:42:58,630 --> 01:42:59,710
different priorities.

874
01:43:01,270 --> 01:43:07,730
So on behalf of base, I would like to welcome the opportunity to provide further insight

875
01:43:07,730 --> 01:43:12,190
from our members, which do include stormwater engineering experts and specialists.

876
01:43:12,830 --> 01:43:14,730
And I want to thank you for your time and for your service.

877
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:21,150
Did anybody else want to speak on this topic?

878
01:43:22,330 --> 01:43:24,090
I was in the only two names I had down.

879
01:43:25,470 --> 01:43:26,110
Okay.

880
01:43:28,490 --> 01:43:30,990
Before we close this public hearing,

881
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,620
I would be in favor of bringing this back on

882
01:43:37,620 --> 01:43:45,460
our January 20th meeting based on a couple of things I learned today and just listening

883
01:43:45,460 --> 01:43:55,380
to Mr. Patterson. I don't think it's just cutting dry as we might think. I'd like to do

884
01:43:56,120 --> 01:44:02,800
only have one brief meeting in December and only the one in January. I would like to

885
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:09,220
leave the public hearing open so that people can come on January 20th and bring up any

886
01:44:09,220 --> 01:44:17,660
concerns that they might have, not just close it out. So I'm going to make a motion that we

887
01:44:17,660 --> 01:44:22,760
bring this back. Leave the public hearing open and we bring this back on January 20th for

888
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:33,260
vote. Second? Well, I disagree with that because I think we need to go ahead and move forward.

889
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:38,260
But I'm sure when we take a vote, well, won't I?

890
01:44:38,900 --> 01:44:44,560
Yeah, and I too, I disagree with that. I think it needs to come to a vote this evening,

891
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:50,620
and at least move forward on this, I have any, I'm trying to get some regulations and

892
01:44:51,980 --> 01:44:59,980
It is, and I too, just like everybody else, I received all the emails from all the development companies.

893
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:13,400
Community in regards to this. You know, I can't help that out of town, developers are having issues with the things that are going on in

894
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:14,320
Brunswick County.

895
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:29,240
I would encourage this board to go ahead and address this issue and move forward with this evening. At least this, and then look at the January meeting, look for the county attorney to

896
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:35,680
come back to us with an avenue that we can pursue some of these other requirements necessary

897
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:43,020
to protect the homeowners and the citizens of Brunswick County better from some of the

898
01:45:43,020 --> 01:45:48,300
issues that we're running into with stormwater and flooding.

899
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,800
Yeah, I have a couple more.

900
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:58,700
It's important to me that we move forward because we keep moving backwards and we keep

901
01:45:58,700 --> 01:45:59,900
procrastinating.

902
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:05,860
We cannot protect our citizens if we don't move forward, even though it might be a small

903
01:46:05,860 --> 01:46:09,500
thing tonight, we still need to move forward.

904
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,940
And if we don't, then that's what happens.

905
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:17,120
We'll just deal with it, but the best we can.

906
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:18,900
Any other discussion?

907
01:46:19,140 --> 01:46:19,660
Just a question.

908
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:24,340
The motion is to table it not indefinitely, but to a specific date of January 20.

909
01:46:25,140 --> 01:46:28,880
I've got mixed emotions, because I am in principle supportive of this, but if there

910
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:33,960
details that need to be worked out, I would say, if we postpone it to January 20,

911
01:46:34,020 --> 01:46:38,380
if my comment would be, if you're one of those people who has concerns with the details,

912
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:44,180
don't think we're going to push it all past that, because I've heard from engineers who live in

913
01:46:44,180 --> 01:46:48,400
County that want to look at it, you know, people who live here work here and they work

914
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:53,020
in this all, you know, they've on a daily basis. Certainly, I'm not an engineer. It's not

915
01:46:53,020 --> 01:46:58,580
my technical area of expertise and, you know, the devil is in the details on these and I want

916
01:46:58,580 --> 01:47:02,960
us to pass it, but I also don't want to have unintended consequences. So that's my thoughts

917
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:09,000
exactly. But, you know, if you're, if you have concerns about it, get them to staff by

918
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,820
of business tomorrow, if you can.

919
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,520
Oh no, Mr. Attorney, you are.

920
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:21,840
Yes, I just wanted to say in response to, I believe it was an issue with the discretion

921
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,800
of the stormwater administrator in making some of these decisions.

922
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:32,000
There is an appeals process for that that goes to the manager and to the Board of Commissioners.

923
01:47:32,220 --> 01:47:37,140
So I wanted to make sure the Board is aware of that when they considered the proposed issues.

924
01:47:37,780 --> 01:47:38,300
Okay.

925
01:47:38,500 --> 01:47:39,380
I don't get it.

926
01:47:39,460 --> 01:47:40,440
Any other discussion?

927
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:41,820
Make some easier.

928
01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:43,860
Any other?

929
01:47:43,860 --> 01:47:43,920
Any other?

930
01:47:44,740 --> 01:47:46,680
Yeah, I was going to do it.

931
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:48,000
Of course you're trying to figure out.

932
01:47:48,260 --> 01:47:51,160
Yeah, that took my follow-up.

933
01:47:57,130 --> 01:47:58,850
I know what it was.

934
01:47:59,390 --> 01:48:04,310
You know, you said something about the engineers would like to look at it and others.

935
01:48:04,310 --> 01:48:12,930
yet they've had time because this has been brought up over month to months I'm not sure

936
01:48:12,930 --> 01:48:19,130
when we started having this discussion and so there's been time for them to look

937
01:48:19,130 --> 01:48:23,970
at it so I don't know why we're waiting to January yeah that means it's about this is

938
01:48:23,970 --> 01:48:29,990
the at least third time we've brought it before it so I don't I don't say a point

939
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:32,950
if we've already presented it three times?

940
01:48:34,750 --> 01:48:43,370
And I'll just add, we end up having stormwater issues every time that we get a substantial rainfall

941
01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:49,930
or storm, we can go back and look at the historical data on how many homes are impacted

942
01:48:49,930 --> 01:48:53,450
and communities are impacted by those issues.

943
01:48:54,090 --> 01:48:58,150
So I think we've got well enough information to move forward this evening.

944
01:48:59,750 --> 01:49:06,290
any other discussion. If not, we have a motion and a second. All those of

945
01:49:06,290 --> 01:49:12,750
favour please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed. No. Darrell and passes three

946
01:49:12,750 --> 01:49:13,610
to

947
01:49:17,130 --> 01:49:19,630
moving on. Thank you.

948
01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:24,730
Brigitte, are you worried? Brigitte, we appreciate it.

949
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:28,910
Aye. Next stop. Cheryl Soffer, so Elizabeth, come on up.

950
01:49:37,500 --> 01:49:38,880
Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Board.

951
01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:43,600
Tonight's action request is for the Board of

952
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:49,120
missioners to approve an agreement with Myers and Chapman Incorporated for the phase 1

953
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:55,120
services of a design-built project of a new animal services facility. The value of this

954
01:49:55,120 --> 01:50:05,520
contract is $639,000, $644 and these funds are part of an existing county capital reserve

955
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:11,260
un-designated fund. If you have any questions about the existing operations for the animal shelter,

956
01:50:11,260 --> 01:50:14,900
I have Sergeant Belinda Musgrove here who can help you answer any of those questions.

957
01:50:15,420 --> 01:50:19,880
If you have any questions about this contract or the associate RFQ, I'm happy to answer

958
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:20,380
what I can.

959
01:50:20,660 --> 01:50:22,840
I also have members of Myers and Chapman here tonight.

960
01:50:23,220 --> 01:50:27,500
If you have any questions for them and hopefully answer any questions, do you have?

961
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:31,190
All right.

962
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:31,990
Let's go to anybody.

963
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:33,390
Have any questions for Elizabeth?

964
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:42,550
Can you elaborate a little bit on the six arms that submitted proposals why you chose

965
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:47,430
this one. Yes, sir. Um, of our six firms, we were able to

966
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:51,050
do a little down to a top three and those top three firms were

967
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:54,410
firms that had the types of experience, types of facilities that we're

968
01:50:54,410 --> 01:50:59,910
looking to do here in Brunswick County. Um, from those three, we had all three

969
01:50:59,910 --> 01:51:04,130
firms come in here to the county to do an interview board on which included

970
01:51:04,130 --> 01:51:09,890
members of the sheriff's office, county engineering, county administration. And from

971
01:51:09,890 --> 01:51:14,810
there, we all rated and graded each of those top three firms and we're unanimous in our

972
01:51:14,810 --> 01:51:17,010
decision with Myers and Chapman Incorporated.

973
01:51:17,310 --> 01:51:18,090
Thank you.

974
01:51:18,170 --> 01:51:18,850
Yes, sir.

975
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:24,440
First of all, thank you for being here and just a few questions, you know, we had a few

976
01:51:24,440 --> 01:51:28,700
people email us and say that they don't think the county should get into the animal adoption

977
01:51:28,700 --> 01:51:29,040
business.

978
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:33,620
Can you tell us what the county currently does in that arena, how long has been doing it and

979
01:51:33,620 --> 01:51:35,900
how many animals we've adopted in the past couple of years?

980
01:51:36,140 --> 01:51:37,160
Yes, they're all deferred to.

981
01:51:37,180 --> 01:51:38,780
Sergeant Musgrave, come on up here, Berlin.

982
01:51:38,780 --> 01:51:39,580
I'm

983
01:51:43,670 --> 01:51:52,530
always walking into the hot seats, but thanks for allowing me to speak on this matter.

984
01:51:53,570 --> 01:51:58,730
So currently we function as not only animal protective services providing animal control for the community,

985
01:51:59,030 --> 01:52:05,130
but also processing and taking and making animals available for adoption, as well as making difficult decisions for you.

986
01:52:05,650 --> 01:52:11,490
So on average we're taking over for the last few years, 4,000 animals a year.

987
01:52:11,490 --> 01:52:23,170
We are doing adoptions in 2024, we did 1,689 adoptions with 1,400 and 5 animals going out through other resources.

988
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:28,290
And so that brings me to a point as well as to thank the folks who showed up for us today.

989
01:52:28,450 --> 01:52:33,470
So today you heard from adoption groups, you heard from fundraising groups.

990
01:52:34,010 --> 01:52:38,230
And it's just another way to express that we have tapped into all of our resources.

991
01:52:38,230 --> 01:52:42,410
We've created foster systems outside of the shelter itself.

992
01:52:42,510 --> 01:52:50,630
We've relied heavily on adoption groups as well as fundraising groups to help those animals that are medically in need.

993
01:52:51,250 --> 01:52:58,710
In 2025, while we still got a few weeks left to go, we're at 4,115 animals so far.

994
01:52:58,710 --> 01:53:08,090
I can recall just from October, we can October to a month in November where we took in 476 animals.

995
01:53:09,210 --> 01:53:12,270
50% of those animals were under surrenders.

996
01:53:13,230 --> 01:53:19,770
There's a need for our community for animals outside of just posting fluffy pictures.

997
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:24,810
And put in Bandanas on them and show them a big scene.

998
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:30,710
There are people in our community who are relying on us to take care of these animals, and the need,

999
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:36,370
while we understand as a big ask, and it has certainly been a topic of discussion from one

1000
01:53:36,370 --> 01:53:42,950
into the spectrum to the other, as well as you guys know, the need is there. The building is at

1001
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:50,690
its capacity. It is being used in resourceful ways. We initially were set up to use two rooms for

1002
01:53:50,690 --> 01:53:54,510
at adoption and for cat holding, we're using two storage

1003
01:53:54,510 --> 01:53:56,570
closets, two rooms, and a hallway.

1004
01:53:57,270 --> 01:54:01,050
We were set up to hold 60 to 65 animals so we could

1005
01:54:01,050 --> 01:54:04,030
shift them around for cleaning and quarantine and other purposes.

1006
01:54:04,490 --> 01:54:06,710
We are consuming all of that kind of space.

1007
01:54:07,470 --> 01:54:10,810
So we understand the ask and we understand that there

1008
01:54:10,810 --> 01:54:11,710
is also in need.

1009
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:15,270
And this goes back far beyond just this year.

1010
01:54:15,730 --> 01:54:19,670
This dates back to early dates of 2018, 2019.

1011
01:54:19,670 --> 01:54:26,150
And we are continuously doing our very best to be resourceful, but at some point we have to be proactive.

1012
01:54:29,180 --> 01:54:34,860
So how much are we following the county regulation and the state regulation on keeping animals?

1013
01:54:35,420 --> 01:54:37,200
How much are we following them?

1014
01:54:37,700 --> 01:54:37,720
Yeah.

1015
01:54:38,620 --> 01:54:42,820
And I said you received 4,000 animals in a year.

1016
01:54:44,780 --> 01:54:49,810
So are we following the policy that the county has in regards to,

1017
01:54:49,810 --> 01:54:53,530
to how long you keep the animals and all that stuff.

1018
01:54:53,590 --> 01:54:56,470
So there are minimal requirements, not maximal requirements.

1019
01:54:56,930 --> 01:54:59,450
So 72 hours is mandated by the state.

1020
01:54:59,650 --> 01:55:03,010
County ordinance would tell us that we need to hold an animal

1021
01:55:03,010 --> 01:55:05,110
for four business days at their own.

1022
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:07,850
No business days if they are owned with proof

1023
01:55:07,850 --> 01:55:10,030
and six business days if they are straight

1024
01:55:10,030 --> 01:55:11,750
before we make them available for adoption

1025
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:12,550
or even ask them.

1026
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:14,790
So how many days are you holding them?

1027
01:55:14,990 --> 01:55:17,930
Our average length of stay right now is about 12 days.

1028
01:55:19,130 --> 01:55:22,350
That's hard to believe with this many animals you have.

1029
01:55:23,290 --> 01:55:27,630
Also, too, what is the status for the rabies shots?

1030
01:55:28,630 --> 01:55:31,930
How many rabies shots were given during the year?

1031
01:55:32,710 --> 01:55:36,930
So every animal that stays over 10 days in our cares required to have a rabies vaccination,

1032
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:39,490
but we also provide them to the public as well.

1033
01:55:39,690 --> 01:55:41,590
And if you'll forgive me, I don't have that exact number.

1034
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:52,300
The other thing is there was a comment made that it was not going to be over $5 million.

1035
01:55:53,820 --> 01:56:01,260
And we know that that's not true according to the presentation that you made in 23.

1036
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,100
In 23 it was over 6 million.

1037
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:10,940
The presentation in 23 was from a needs assessment, which was looking at the entire accounting

1038
01:56:10,940 --> 01:56:16,380
population growth over the next 30 years and saying, Hey, if you want to be good to go for 30, 30

1039
01:56:16,380 --> 01:56:21,220
plus years, your facility is going to be X number of dollars. That again was just an estimate for

1040
01:56:21,220 --> 01:56:29,460
someone who was in the field, not an exact bid for a building job. So, so, but I would say with the

1041
01:56:29,460 --> 01:56:36,660
cost of building today and if you go to 10,000 square feet, it will be 10 million. It's not more.

1042
01:56:36,660 --> 01:56:43,900
That doesn't count the other stuff that we'll have to be added and are y'all planning on hiring a veterinarian

1043
01:56:45,580 --> 01:56:55,580
We we do not have plans as a bright now to hire a veterinarian because that's not cost you have a 250 or more a year because the doctor's not going to come in there and do it for free

1044
01:56:55,580 --> 01:56:59,300
So we've developed a very good relationship with our local spade new to clinic

1045
01:56:59,300 --> 01:57:01,980
We transport to them four days a week Monday through Thursday

1046
01:57:01,980 --> 01:57:05,120
So they can spade new to the animals that we make available for adoption

1047
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:11,640
Yeah, but this is going to stay up a way above what a government entity is required to do.

1048
01:57:12,140 --> 01:57:18,880
And our job here is to protect the, it's a temporary home.

1049
01:57:18,900 --> 01:57:21,340
It's not supposed to be something that's permanent.

1050
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:24,640
And y'all trying to make it something that's permanent.

1051
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:30,900
And we don't need, yes, you are, if you're getting a new building,

1052
01:57:30,900 --> 01:57:34,720
And we got other areas that are so important in this county.

1053
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:37,360
We've got classrooms.

1054
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:44,820
We just approved four more modules for the schools, where we don't have schools for our children.

1055
01:57:45,300 --> 01:57:47,020
We got children that are homeless.

1056
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:54,320
There was a preacher this week that announced it in his pulpit about 400 children homeless.

1057
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:57,700
Now, do you understand homeless?

1058
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:02,380
If I've been homeless, my daddy was an alcoholic.

1059
01:58:03,700 --> 01:58:09,500
So when we had to move, we went and found somewhere to live.

1060
01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:12,880
We didn't, we didn't study at home because we had to get out.

1061
01:58:13,740 --> 01:58:20,040
So when you get out according to DSS, your homeless, if you don't have a permanent place

1062
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:20,920
to lay your head.

1063
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:27,400
Now, there's a lot of key is in this county that are homeless, and here we are aware

1064
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:32,640
about animals more so than we are people, and I just have a problem with that.

1065
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:42,700
Just to clarify tonight's action item is $639,644 of existing capital reserve funds, so it

1066
01:58:42,700 --> 01:58:48,220
is existing funds that has been allocated to capital projects like this one is the board

1067
01:58:48,220 --> 01:58:50,880
chooses to move forward with that?

1068
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:54,600
And I just think it's overspandoned, but that's, you know,

1069
01:58:54,900 --> 01:58:55,840
is the board's decision.

1070
01:58:58,060 --> 01:59:01,200
And I think we got off on a wrong foot thinking

1071
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,600
that we were going to build a lavish building

1072
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:08,800
with golden bullets and couches and all of the extravagant things.

1073
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:12,320
We understand that there needs in our community.

1074
01:59:12,820 --> 01:59:14,260
We are families, they're in our community,

1075
01:59:14,300 --> 01:59:15,780
our children, or in these communities.

1076
01:59:15,780 --> 01:59:25,680
We are in these communities all day, every day, as a part of the Sheriff's Office, but all as our own personal initiative that we're not trying to build anything lavish.

1077
01:59:26,020 --> 01:59:32,540
We're trying to add space so that animals can be available for adoption, a care center, if you will.

1078
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:44,340
So that they have so that we can take the space that we have existing and open up so that we can claim appropriately so that we can use the building for the function that it was originally a design for.

1079
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:52,120
How much does these are the last building design, how much did it cost for the design?

1080
01:59:52,860 --> 01:59:54,580
Do we have a price?

1081
01:59:55,580 --> 01:59:57,440
How much does the health building cost?

1082
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,020
Building some round for Mayan. I'm talking about for the design. Yes, ma'am. Okay.

1083
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:16,120
And if you have any questions about the firm, again, we have representatives here who are happy to speak on that. And they cost a construction, things about the court.

1084
02:00:16,580 --> 02:00:19,280
Oh, there's a bit. I'm a one happy birthday. Thank you, sir.

1085
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:25,820
Nice to be here. I'm happy to be here. It's a great cause. It's a great project.

1086
02:00:26,220 --> 02:00:28,040
I didn't want to forget to say that. Thank you, sir.

1087
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:32,000
He caught me at a very vulnerable time.

1088
02:00:33,540 --> 02:00:42,360
June of 2011, I went to the Sheriff's Animal Protective Services and we rescued the coolest

1089
02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:43,480
little dog ever.

1090
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:52,160
And Sunny was not just our family pet, he was my companion and he was my wife's shadow.

1091
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:57,640
Well, just the other day we had to put sunny down because he had long cancer.

1092
02:00:58,460 --> 02:01:02,020
So, you got me at a very vulnerable time.

1093
02:01:03,700 --> 02:01:08,320
I haven't even picked up his cremange yet, he was just put down.

1094
02:01:11,180 --> 02:01:14,240
I am in favor of this.

1095
02:01:15,220 --> 02:01:20,520
I know, and I know that shortly, I don't know how long I'm going to be able to put my

1096
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:25,640
wife will run it out and go in adopting another dog and rescue another one.

1097
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:34,900
I would like to wait at least until after the holidays because she's still crying every

1098
02:01:34,900 --> 02:01:41,380
minute every day and she's never going to find another sonny and I can't get that to go in.

1099
02:01:41,820 --> 02:01:47,800
But we will be rescuing another, I can promise you that and I think of my wife as a way

1100
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:56,540
be chill. Is there any other discussion? One more question. You know there's a whole lot

1101
02:01:56,540 --> 02:02:04,920
of talk about public, private, investments. She with me how you afford to feed your animals

1102
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:12,500
in this shelter. Is that something that the county pays for? It is a, we have been very blessed

1103
02:02:12,500 --> 02:02:16,660
over the past several years, at least in my role as Comptroller, where our food budget is very

1104
02:02:16,660 --> 02:02:19,700
low because of so many donations that we get for food.

1105
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:25,400
When we've had to utilize our food, budget has been for, kind of, lack of a better word

1106
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:26,000
surprises.

1107
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:31,320
We've had taken a bunch of donkeys for a long time or horses, we've had to kind of find some

1108
02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:36,940
extra types of food resources, but we have incredible, incredible donations that we get

1109
02:02:36,940 --> 02:02:41,560
from the public, whereas some years we don't have to use that line and we can say that

1110
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:45,640
or transfer that to a medical line or things like that to cover some of our other operational

1111
02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:49,800
costs, but you can expand on that because I know. I mean, I think that's perfectly said.

1112
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:54,160
I think that in addition to that, we have to give out shout out to our volunteers as well.

1113
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:58,980
We were not only selfishly given their time, but they're seeing where things could be short

1114
02:02:58,980 --> 02:03:04,620
or where they could be our offer in advantage for an animal and they purchase it and help us as well.

1115
02:03:05,580 --> 02:03:09,340
Thank you. Yes, sir? Yes. One question. You mentioned volunteers,

1116
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:13,080
which was actually something I was going to ask about. That's something I don't know that

1117
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:16,700
And let somebody's involved in that program, they understand how many volunteers you have.

1118
02:03:17,220 --> 02:03:20,920
How many volunteers do you guys have engaged in this and I know you, I think you've tracked

1119
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:23,840
the dollar figure of what that would cost for paying those people.

1120
02:03:24,180 --> 02:03:27,260
Just for the animal protective services volunteers, do you know what that was for the past

1121
02:03:27,260 --> 02:03:27,560
year?

1122
02:03:28,460 --> 02:03:29,680
It's over 100, isn't it?

1123
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:30,460
That we have.

1124
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:31,640
An animal services alone?

1125
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:41,260
Yeah, so we have 99 who are regularly on rotation and we have 200 plus better signed up.

1126
02:03:41,260 --> 02:03:46,860
And as long as they come every six months and complete a shift and they say within the system,

1127
02:03:47,100 --> 02:03:51,120
but that 99 is acted, meaning that they are coming on a regular basis.

1128
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:53,180
I guess I have one more question.

1129
02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:54,420
I had a couple of comments.

1130
02:03:54,740 --> 02:03:55,620
Yeah, go ahead.

1131
02:03:56,840 --> 02:03:59,940
I've received opinions on both sides of this issue.

1132
02:03:59,960 --> 02:04:03,660
Very strongly held opinions on polar opposite ends of it.

1133
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:06,420
And my position's probably somewhere in the middle.

1134
02:04:06,620 --> 02:04:09,080
I see that there is obviously a need we have to meet.

1135
02:04:09,080 --> 02:04:19,500
You know, it's not creating a new government function as Commissioner Fortage has said he adopted a dog from your organization in 2011, so that's, at least, at 2011.

1136
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:26,660
And to me, it's about expanding our capacity to do something we're already doing, but do it better and meet a need.

1137
02:04:26,860 --> 02:04:38,280
So that's why I will follow and support of this, but also, you know, and we've, Elizabeth, you and I had this conversation, you know, we want it functional, but, you know, we want it cost effective in, you know, not a puppy palace so to speak.

1138
02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:41,800
You don't want to charge them at all. We want something, this functional and effective,

1139
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:46,220
but we also have to keep the cost down. So that's my position as I support the motion

1140
02:04:46,220 --> 02:04:51,280
tonight, but also with the comment that we do need to make sure we don't let this get out

1141
02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:55,260
of hand price. Yes, sir. And that's why we have Martin Chapman here tonight to be able to hear

1142
02:04:55,260 --> 02:05:00,600
what our board has to say, hear what our citizens have to say, and make sure that they can tailor

1143
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:05,120
this project to our needs and the county's needs. And they're very dedicated to that project.

1144
02:05:06,340 --> 02:05:10,260
The next question, I know you're closed on the weekends, right?

1145
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:12,500
Okay, what

1146
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:16,520
did they say?

1147
02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:21,620
So we are open until 2 p.m. on Saturday and then we are closed on Sunday.

1148
02:05:22,060 --> 02:05:23,580
Okay, thank you.

1149
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:25,120
Marty?

1150
02:05:25,980 --> 02:05:32,700
Well, the way this thing started, Charlie Miller called me at home and said to me,

1151
02:05:32,700 --> 02:05:40,580
What if we took the animal control facility because as we know it was in the health department previously and I said to him

1152
02:05:40,580 --> 02:05:43,120
We'll Charlie you can have it, but if if you want it

1153
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:46,040
We're gonna give you a 30 day money back here and see

1154
02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:52,280
Because if more you can handle will we'll take it back and I have to tell you it's just been amazing to watch

1155
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:57,900
Which you guys have done over the years and you've done a lot with whatever you could to make it work

1156
02:05:57,900 --> 02:06:02,600
I remember the floor was one of the first things that had to be worked on and a lot of different components

1157
02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:09,180
We, my family adopted two dogs, either one of them or with us now, but we have a lab that's

1158
02:06:09,180 --> 02:06:13,040
named Kevin and I swear he's got to be a four-year-old in a dog seat, because he knows everything

1159
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:20,200
I'm saying. But we have looked at figures and, you know, contrary to popular belief, it's not

1160
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:25,340
a $10 million acquisition. This is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of five. And we do this

1161
02:06:25,340 --> 02:06:30,040
generally with a lot of buildings in the county. Complex, people may not be aware of that. If we have

1162
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:33,620
a certain building that hasn't has to be replaced or the roots got to be replaced or

1163
02:06:33,620 --> 02:06:35,600
air conditioning or whatever like that we do that.

1164
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:40,840
Your building is old and the thing is it needs to be upgraded because the truth is when

1165
02:06:40,840 --> 02:06:45,340
it was put together it was probably about 35,000 people here and now we've got about 180,000.

1166
02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:46,580
So that's the dynamics.

1167
02:06:46,700 --> 02:06:47,680
The other thing is you're right.

1168
02:06:47,940 --> 02:06:53,380
I have gone through other services and it's expensive, it's also somewhat challenging to

1169
02:06:53,380 --> 02:06:53,940
get with some.

1170
02:06:54,100 --> 02:06:58,680
It's not even wrong with it, it's just that we ended up going with y'all for the dogs that

1171
02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:03,480
got initially. So, you know, in saying that, and I've been all over the figures with the county

1172
02:07:03,480 --> 02:07:08,720
manager today as well as with others. And, you know, that being said, I think it's a worthy

1173
02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:12,320
improvement. I think it's something we need to support. I think we need to get behind plus

1174
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:16,750
none of that. We budgeted it for it. So, the thing is, I'm very much in favour of it. Thank you.

1175
02:07:22,330 --> 02:07:30,110
Okay, now I know, in honor of my faithful companion that just left my family, I will make a motion to

1176
02:07:30,110 --> 02:07:37,090
approve. Second. I have a forte cook. Any other discussion?

1177
02:07:39,630 --> 02:07:44,430
All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed? Aye.

1178
02:07:45,610 --> 02:07:50,210
Four to one, Madam Clerk. Okay. Thank you so much.

1179
02:07:56,940 --> 02:08:01,540
I lose a bit. I lose a bit. I lose a bit. Go try to enjoy the rest of your birthday.

1180
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:03,460
I'm

1181
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:11,640
a second to get here.

1182
02:08:11,800 --> 02:08:13,440
Hold no one second. Let them.

1183
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:18,240
You don't have time to fill this up while they're doing that.

1184
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:31,050
Grant, we'll be with your mom and child.

1185
02:08:31,150 --> 02:08:32,370
Let everybody get out.

1186
02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:34,150
I'll buy you a break.

1187
02:08:35,270 --> 02:08:35,610
Don't worry.

1188
02:08:58,160 --> 02:09:01,940
God, she keeps working on it. She's working on it.

1189
02:09:02,380 --> 02:09:03,880
She's working on it. She's working on it.

1190
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:06,080
She's working on it.

1191
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:07,700
She's working on it.

1192
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:08,440
You doing it?

1193
02:09:11,280 --> 02:09:13,240
I'm texting her back and forth.

1194
02:09:13,240 --> 02:09:15,660
I was freezing early.

1195
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:17,620
I thought we were always getting hotter and hotter.

1196
02:09:18,780 --> 02:09:20,160
People fan in themselves in the back.

1197
02:09:20,160 --> 02:09:21,360
My face is red.

1198
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:22,320
One, two.

1199
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:25,240
All right.

1200
02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:28,140
Let's pick this back up again.

1201
02:09:29,020 --> 02:09:29,880
My favorite department.

1202
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:33,860
Come on, help me tell us what to eat.

1203
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:35,480
Mr. Commissioner.

1204
02:09:35,820 --> 02:09:37,260
Commissioner, thank you.

1205
02:09:38,500 --> 02:09:40,960
So I'm here today to request the Board of Commissioners

1206
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:43,880
to authorize the chairperson and clerk of the board

1207
02:09:43,880 --> 02:09:50,180
to approve contract amendment number seven with CDM Smith and the Associated Budget Amendment

1208
02:09:50,180 --> 02:09:58,000
in the amount of $1,336,000 extending the contract completion date to September 30,

1209
02:09:58,160 --> 02:10:05,640
2026 for continued construction and administrative services associated with the North West Water

1210
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:13,480
Treatment Plant Expansion. As we all know, the original contractor was unable to finish the project

1211
02:10:13,480 --> 02:10:22,120
on schedule. As a result of that, in July, the county issued a notice of termination and

1212
02:10:22,120 --> 02:10:31,040
followed a complaint against the contractor and the surety. The result of that action was that

1213
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:39,500
the surety has now taken responsibility for completing the project. The surety has now provided

1214
02:10:39,500 --> 02:10:50,040
schedule indicating that the project will be complete in late August of 2026. Therefore we need

1215
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:58,500
to request that we extend the contract with CDM Smith to allow them to continue their construction

1216
02:10:58,500 --> 02:10:59,260
services.

1217
02:11:01,800 --> 02:11:04,640
Well, let's get us across the finish line. It's just going to be the last one of these we

1218
02:11:04,640 --> 02:11:08,100
have to have. The contractor has given us a schedule.

1219
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:12,980
Yes sir. So if they do what they

1220
02:11:12,980 --> 02:11:17,320
said they will do, this will be the last one of these that we have to extend on this project.

1221
02:11:17,620 --> 02:11:22,360
Not only. And I guess if we didn't do it, the work stops and the project doesn't get done.

1222
02:11:23,620 --> 02:11:24,220
That is correct.

1223
02:11:28,240 --> 02:11:33,600
Is CDM Smith willing to give us a not to exceed on that?

1224
02:11:37,570 --> 02:11:40,130
is it not not to exceed the

1225
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:45,160
contract? Is it not to exceed?

1226
02:11:45,740 --> 02:11:48,800
I mean, this is-

1227
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:48,960
I-

1228
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:49,280
I-

1229
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:49,940
I assume.

1230
02:11:51,360 --> 02:11:51,720
What?

1231
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:52,520
What?

1232
02:11:52,740 --> 02:11:52,800
What?

1233
02:11:52,860 --> 02:11:54,920
You know what happened when you were soon?

1234
02:11:54,940 --> 02:11:56,460
You know what, I'm not to exceed.

1235
02:11:56,560 --> 02:11:57,660
I-

1236
02:11:57,660 --> 02:12:01,540
Is good through the stated time period?

1237
02:12:02,180 --> 02:12:02,260
Is-

1238
02:12:02,260 --> 02:12:02,380
Is-

1239
02:12:02,380 --> 02:12:03,580
I'll say-

1240
02:12:03,580 --> 02:12:04,620
Not an hourly number.

1241
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:05,140
This is-

1242
02:12:05,140 --> 02:12:09,660
This is 1.336 million takes us to September 30.

1243
02:12:09,660 --> 02:12:15,520
If this job goes to October 7, they're going to come here and ask us for another week's

1244
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:15,880
work.

1245
02:12:18,420 --> 02:12:23,840
I have an opinion in my head that they call them, will not allow me to say what I will

1246
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:24,380
tell them.

1247
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:25,360
Should that happen?

1248
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:30,620
Well, my concern is that this is number 7,

1249
02:12:34,300 --> 02:12:38,120
and they're a partner in this.

1250
02:12:38,120 --> 02:12:47,800
I realize that, you know, they can't stick around and make money if things are not going the way they should.

1251
02:12:48,440 --> 02:12:56,360
I do understand that, but at some point in time, they ought to be able to say we'll give you a not to exceed number.

1252
02:12:57,580 --> 02:13:00,240
And this is all we're going to charge you to get.

1253
02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:03,240
We'll say it. It doesn't say not to exceed.

1254
02:13:04,100 --> 02:13:06,320
But that's not to exceed through that date.

1255
02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:21,420
Right. I think what Commissioner Thompson is suggesting is not to exceed period. Yeah, right. And I concur. Well, and as I just heard, we've got to August 26 completion day.

1256
02:13:22,380 --> 02:13:29,800
Final completion. Yes, sir. Okay. And this is September the 30. So we're giving them 30 days.

1257
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:39,060
So they have to do work after the completion of the contractor to do all the paperwork and get everything filed, yes sir.

1258
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:39,420
Okay.

1259
02:13:39,540 --> 02:13:45,220
I will be grudgingly make a motion to approve it because I don't think there's any other legitimate option.

1260
02:13:46,540 --> 02:13:51,460
And with the caveat that I think one day this will be saw in some project management textbooks somewhere.

1261
02:13:53,200 --> 02:13:53,900
Yep, I'll be so.

1262
02:13:55,220 --> 02:13:56,800
I may write that book.

1263
02:13:58,220 --> 02:13:59,460
I have a motion.

1264
02:13:59,720 --> 02:14:00,940
I have a second.

1265
02:14:04,270 --> 02:14:04,790
Second.

1266
02:14:05,550 --> 02:14:05,870
Okay.

1267
02:14:06,070 --> 02:14:06,970
There we go.

1268
02:14:07,650 --> 02:14:08,810
I said you had a second.

1269
02:14:08,830 --> 02:14:09,090
No.

1270
02:14:09,330 --> 02:14:10,250
I said I knew.

1271
02:14:10,930 --> 02:14:11,890
William's cook.

1272
02:14:12,510 --> 02:14:13,430
Any other.

1273
02:14:14,070 --> 02:14:14,470
Excuse me.

1274
02:14:14,610 --> 02:14:15,250
William's cook.

1275
02:14:15,290 --> 02:14:16,250
Any other discussion.

1276
02:14:19,970 --> 02:14:20,470
But commission.

1277
02:14:20,730 --> 02:14:21,610
William said.

1278
02:14:22,490 --> 02:14:24,190
I will be grudgingly.

1279
02:14:26,270 --> 02:14:27,470
All those in favor.

1280
02:14:27,850 --> 02:14:28,650
Please say aye.

1281
02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:30,250
Any opposed.

1282
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:32,680
Aye.

1283
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:33,480
Thank you, Brent.

1284
02:14:33,480 --> 02:14:35,120
Thank you, sir.

1285
02:14:35,380 --> 02:14:36,100
Thank you.

1286
02:14:38,380 --> 02:14:39,580
Mr. Manager.

1287
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:42,360
What's you got?

1288
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:45,520
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and commissioners.

1289
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:52,520
Here we have an item that we actually have placed on the agenda at Commissioner Thompson's request

1290
02:14:52,520 --> 02:14:53,620
on a couple of items.

1291
02:14:54,280 --> 02:14:59,980
One to go over the statutory requirements for construction bill.

1292
02:15:12,700 --> 02:15:30,120
And I'll make a couple of comments here and then let the county attorney explain this to the degree, the board wishes. But in general, I would say, if I could do the same thing and I could be doing the same things for the city council, I would say, if I could do the same thing, I would say.

1293
02:15:30,120 --> 02:15:40,660
The burning room first for us to have ability to regulate open burning of vegetative debris

1294
02:15:40,660 --> 02:15:47,720
other than the specific areas that we are allowed to have temporary burn bands.

1295
02:15:48,440 --> 02:15:55,380
We would either have to have specific authorization, special legislation from the General Assembly

1296
02:15:55,380 --> 02:16:04,540
Or we would have to prove to the state that we had unique pollution conditions here that

1297
02:16:04,540 --> 02:16:13,940
mayerated, runs with Kelly, having its own air quality regulation and monitoring

1298
02:16:13,940 --> 02:16:22,280
program, which would require that we have all sorts of scientific and engineering studies

1299
02:16:22,280 --> 02:16:29,520
to prove that somehow this burning was a bigger impact here than in other parts of the

1300
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:37,440
state and would also require us if we did those studies to convince the environmental

1301
02:16:37,440 --> 02:16:43,960
management commission that truly a local air pollution control program was needed here.

1302
02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:50,440
We would have to have a professional staff of scientists and engineers to implement and

1303
02:16:50,440 --> 02:16:59,640
receive such a program, and that would be a very high bar, and it would also be a very

1304
02:16:59,640 --> 02:17:08,360
expensive program to implement. I'm not saying that it absolutely could not be done, but

1305
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:16,380
I suspect it would be an uphill battle to get EMC to approve a special program for Buzzwick

1306
02:17:16,380 --> 02:17:23,560
And I know it would be a significant cost for the county to actually create and operates such a program.

1307
02:17:25,380 --> 02:17:40,400
On the issue of a residential building moratorium, again the regulations spell out here in the item have a very, very high bar to be able to enact such a moratorium.

1308
02:17:40,400 --> 02:17:56,380
And I know some of this room tonight and certainly other members of the public probably disagree with me, but things like we heard mentioned tonight about modular units at schools being evidence you could do it well.

1309
02:17:56,380 --> 02:18:06,220
The truth is, in this specific case, we have both the funding available for modular units and the space for modular units.

1310
02:18:06,840 --> 02:18:19,260
So you're really not going to be able to say, we don't have space for kids, and in fact, our state constitution pretty much says, we have to make space to educate the kids.

1311
02:18:19,260 --> 02:18:29,780
So I don't really think you can use school over crowding roads and traffic concerns and accidents.

1312
02:18:30,540 --> 02:18:37,940
While they are very legitimate concerns other than the roads and turn off to subdivisions and play in development.

1313
02:18:37,940 --> 02:18:48,000
But we have no authority whatsoever, and I don't believe these regulations let us

1314
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:54,820
slow or stop development on the basis of things that happen in the state roadways.

1315
02:18:55,300 --> 02:19:01,160
I'm not even saying that's what I wish it's here, but I think that is pretty much what

1316
02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:09,640
say as public safety, there certainly are concerns about some elements of our fire service,

1317
02:19:10,680 --> 02:19:16,820
yet as recently as last week I received another letter from the State Fire Marshal's

1318
02:19:16,820 --> 02:19:24,620
office as I do several times a year saying that all the departments in the county meet the

1319
02:19:24,620 --> 02:19:33,180
state's minimum standards. And again, it's, it is a really a matter of our staff agreeing

1320
02:19:33,180 --> 02:19:39,520
or disagreeing with that. It's that the state's the body that makes that determination.

1321
02:19:40,840 --> 02:19:46,900
So at this moment in time, I don't think we meet the thresholds. Something could happen

1322
02:19:46,900 --> 02:19:54,180
tomorrow that would change that. And as I say, buying can answer as many questions as

1323
02:19:54,180 --> 02:20:00,080
like about what all these specific components are.

1324
02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:07,440
Any discussion? I've got a couple.

1325
02:20:08,380 --> 02:20:21,190
If I can. One real quick question. How many are you aware of how many open burning

1326
02:20:22,330 --> 02:20:27,810
commercial facilities we have within the county today for burning.

1327
02:20:29,730 --> 02:20:32,610
I, for vegetative debris,

1328
02:20:34,680 --> 02:20:40,480
just a note, a note, as the municipalities in act, there are no

1329
02:20:40,480 --> 02:20:46,220
barn requirements. This material is going to have to get somewhere. And I'm assuming it's

1330
02:20:46,220 --> 02:20:56,060
going to go somewhere in Brisbane County. And so I guess my question is, if someone was going

1331
02:20:56,060 --> 02:21:06,080
to enlarge their operation within the county, would that not require some type of regulatory

1332
02:21:06,620 --> 02:21:13,060
decision from planning or from this board to the air of the north or the south do that?

1333
02:21:13,060 --> 02:21:18,560
Yes, so just last week the Board of Adjustment Approved, a special use permit for an air curtain and senator.

1334
02:21:19,820 --> 02:21:24,740
A member from DEQ air quality who permits that on behalf of the state.

1335
02:21:25,240 --> 02:21:36,300
I believe he listed four air curtain and senator's currently in operation in Brunswick County.

1336
02:21:36,940 --> 02:21:41,540
And his department is the one that permits them on behalf of the state and does inspections.

1337
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:54,020
Okay, so we are going to see an increase in commercial operations for burning in the county.

1338
02:21:54,360 --> 02:21:55,200
That's what you're telling me.

1339
02:21:55,380 --> 02:21:56,460
We saw one last week.

1340
02:21:56,620 --> 02:21:57,960
I can't say what will happen from here on.

1341
02:21:58,340 --> 02:22:01,740
It doesn't have to come before this board for approval.

1342
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:03,200
No, sir.

1343
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:08,040
Through the UDO with the special use permit in the zoning district, he was in at least.

1344
02:22:08,040 --> 02:22:15,840
Okay, so whenever the gentleman is doing the review of the UDO is he putting something in there

1345
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:23,920
to where something like that needs to come that's has that big about impact on the public is he bringing it back to this board?

1346
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:31,350
I'm the air curtain insercererators are the ones that keep it from having the impact on the public.

1347
02:22:33,810 --> 02:22:35,750
I think I'm misunderstanding.

1348
02:22:37,410 --> 02:22:39,630
Any burning is burning.

1349
02:22:40,310 --> 02:22:40,530
Okay.

1350
02:22:40,670 --> 02:22:41,410
Burning is burning.

1351
02:22:42,430 --> 02:22:49,550
It burns at a high rate, but the operation is still the same.

1352
02:22:49,710 --> 02:22:50,510
It's in a pit.

1353
02:22:50,670 --> 02:22:53,710
I mean, it still works the same way.

1354
02:22:53,710 --> 02:23:03,050
And if you're increasing the amount I've loaded, then it's going to increase the amount

1355
02:23:03,050 --> 02:23:08,830
that your public has to deal with, or you're going to see a constant.

1356
02:23:09,490 --> 02:23:14,970
So I guess my question is, for something like that that impacts the public, let's

1357
02:23:14,970 --> 02:23:22,190
height the UDO would not have that going to a committee to decide, looks like it would have

1358
02:23:22,190 --> 02:23:25,090
coming to the elected body to decide.

1359
02:23:25,870 --> 02:23:35,150
The Board of Adjustment is strictly handles the quasi-judicial issues that through the

1360
02:23:35,150 --> 02:23:42,030
Unio have a higher scrutiny, such as the special use permits and the variances.

1361
02:23:43,050 --> 02:23:46,230
So if it needs higher scrutiny, that's the Board it goes to.

1362
02:23:46,510 --> 02:23:46,810
Okay.

1363
02:23:46,810 --> 02:23:52,330
So we just deal with the complaints, this is what you're telling me.

1364
02:23:53,310 --> 02:24:01,910
Okay, switching from that back over to the moratorium, you know, I granted I'm glad

1365
02:24:01,910 --> 02:24:07,390
that our fire departments all or certified fire departments, you know, we do not have a

1366
02:24:07,390 --> 02:24:13,850
fire department in this county for the past 30 years that hasn't answered a call.

1367
02:24:13,850 --> 02:24:22,590
they all answer a call. My concern is that grading a fire department and becoming a fire department

1368
02:24:22,590 --> 02:24:28,810
as far as the state's concern has nothing to do with the operation of the fire department

1369
02:24:28,810 --> 02:24:35,870
on a daily basis or an evening basis. Staffing of that department, the only thing they need to do

1370
02:24:35,870 --> 02:24:41,550
is turning a roster and if we put all those rosters together and went through them, we could

1371
02:24:41,550 --> 02:24:49,610
probably find matching names on a number of those departments just so that we can make our

1372
02:24:49,610 --> 02:24:59,430
books and get our great. My concern is that we are not having the staffing to be able

1373
02:24:59,430 --> 02:25:08,610
to make good decisions. Now we can, again, we can argue all night about whether that gets

1374
02:25:08,610 --> 02:25:14,730
us into a moratorium or not about public safety. It is a public safety issue whether or not

1375
02:25:14,730 --> 02:25:23,410
it's to the extent of a moratorium or not that that's to be decided. We haven't had a major

1376
02:25:23,410 --> 02:25:30,630
death because of it. We haven't lost any children because of it but that's not to say that

1377
02:25:30,630 --> 02:25:38,590
that couldn't happen this evening. We have been very fortunate with our response and granted we

1378
02:25:38,590 --> 02:25:42,930
have to send nine departments to a structure fire to be able to get enough firefighters to

1379
02:25:42,930 --> 02:25:51,330
go in and fight the fire or to implement a rescue, hopefully the person can hold on long

1380
02:25:52,290 --> 02:25:58,930
enough. And that's what, if the truth is known about it, that's what brought this to my attention,

1381
02:25:59,430 --> 02:26:07,170
we had one that didn't hold on long enough. And needed rescue, didn't receive rescue by the initial

1382
02:26:07,170 --> 02:26:13,990
responding department because they didn't have the staff and so it, you know, we were very

1383
02:26:13,990 --> 02:26:19,410
fortunate in that particular case, you know, the ladies obviously are going to have life

1384
02:26:19,410 --> 02:26:27,670
long issues to deal with, but you know, she survived fortunately enough, but it's, that's

1385
02:26:27,670 --> 02:26:31,510
not to say that it will happen that way next time.

1386
02:26:31,510 --> 02:26:35,130
So I do think that we've got an issue there

1387
02:26:35,130 --> 02:26:38,470
that needs to be addressed, whether or not we're saying

1388
02:26:38,470 --> 02:26:41,010
that it's to the point of a moratorium or not.

1389
02:26:41,210 --> 02:26:46,330
I realize about the roads, we can't do much about the roads,

1390
02:26:48,050 --> 02:26:50,350
the schools, the schools are what they are.

1391
02:26:51,010 --> 02:26:57,470
If you want to talk about poor planning three years ago,

1392
02:26:57,550 --> 02:27:00,430
we talked to the school system about moving forward

1393
02:27:00,430 --> 02:27:05,210
with some kind of option three years ago and we see where we're at today.

1394
02:27:06,490 --> 02:27:10,770
So I'm, you know, it's, I guess it wasn't the right time.

1395
02:27:11,450 --> 02:27:15,730
So, I don't know, but I do appreciate you coming up with the information

1396
02:27:15,730 --> 02:27:21,350
and putting it out there so that the public can understand a little bit more about the challenges

1397
02:27:21,350 --> 02:27:25,730
associated between the fire and the moratorium issues.

1398
02:27:25,730 --> 02:27:40,830
And, sir, if I could add, I don't disagree with you and our senior staff doesn't disagree with you that there are significant issues in the fire service in the county that need to be addressed.

1399
02:27:41,770 --> 02:27:54,490
I'm just saying to you one when they all have a state of a state seal of approval, and there's already such a high bar in the statute to implement a boardatorium.

1400
02:27:54,710 --> 02:28:10,010
I think that would be in a pill battle. However, at your December meeting, we're going to have an agenda item to make some suggestions to move forward with at least a minimum steps to address some of the quality and staffing concerns.

1401
02:28:10,010 --> 02:28:12,430
across our fire service.

1402
02:28:12,830 --> 02:28:13,030
Right.

1403
02:28:13,890 --> 02:28:14,670
Thank you.

1404
02:28:14,870 --> 02:28:15,630
I'm good.

1405
02:28:16,070 --> 02:28:23,490
I'd like to say one last bit to be more specific on, for example, the flood ordinance we had tonight.

1406
02:28:24,170 --> 02:28:28,310
A lot of people don't consider that that is a development regulation.

1407
02:28:28,310 --> 02:28:39,190
So, when 160D says, you cannot have a moratorium for residential uses that involves updating

1408
02:28:39,190 --> 02:28:48,190
the development regulation, the agenda item 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, there's a paragraph 6 lines

1409
02:28:48,610 --> 02:28:55,590
that lists all the development regulations from stormwater, erosion control, floodplain, historic

1410
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:58,530
preservation, housing, unified development ordinance.

1411
02:28:59,150 --> 02:29:05,730
There's a whole extensive list that if the solution to the problem is updating one of

1412
02:29:05,730 --> 02:29:12,450
these codes, then you can't have a more atorium for resident uses according to the statute.

1413
02:29:13,670 --> 02:29:20,110
So when you look at what we're doing with stormwater and say this is proof we need a

1414
02:29:20,110 --> 02:29:24,510
moratorium, that's actually specifically what the statute says you can't do.

1415
02:29:28,690 --> 02:29:55,290
Okay, I appreciate staff and Commissioner Thompson bringing up this topic because the public needs to know what we can do and what we can't do and I would like for somewhere on our website to have this information about burning so that they'll know we can't ban the burning.

1416
02:29:55,290 --> 02:29:59,970
whatever the regulation is and then the moratorium where, you know,

1417
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,660
What we can and can't do there. If we have a link on the website, then when people are constantly contacting

1418
02:30:08,660 --> 02:30:15,420
us about us getting something done, just slow down the development, we'll have information

1419
02:30:15,420 --> 02:30:22,700
there to provide them why we can't do anything. So I'd say staff are looking at it and bringing

1420
02:30:22,700 --> 02:30:26,340
to the public attention.

1421
02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:31,140
We'll get some quick links on the website to the info.

1422
02:30:31,580 --> 02:30:32,400
Is that it, Pat?

1423
02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:34,220
Mission waves?

1424
02:30:35,080 --> 02:30:37,860
Going back to Brian, you mentioned air curtain burners,

1425
02:30:38,140 --> 02:30:39,860
and I don't know a lot about those,

1426
02:30:40,040 --> 02:30:43,120
but I actually found them when I googled

1427
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:45,900
alternatives to developer open burning.

1428
02:30:47,180 --> 02:30:48,180
So, and Commissioner Thompson,

1429
02:30:48,200 --> 02:30:50,180
you may know about them from your professional life.

1430
02:30:50,180 --> 02:30:53,540
But I would love to know a little more about those,

1431
02:30:53,860 --> 02:30:56,280
as far as, you know, it sounds like it's an alternative

1432
02:30:56,280 --> 02:30:58,460
that doesn't put the same amount of smoke in the air

1433
02:30:58,460 --> 02:31:03,980
and provides it, but also if it's truly a better alternative,

1434
02:31:04,540 --> 02:31:06,480
would there be any option to maybe have one

1435
02:31:06,480 --> 02:31:08,860
on our landfill and if there's a way to put in the UDO

1436
02:31:08,860 --> 02:31:13,040
to incentivize them that they get some kind of a carrot

1437
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:14,560
for using that instead of burning.

1438
02:31:14,720 --> 02:31:17,260
I'm just thinking out loud, have no idea if that's feasible,

1439
02:31:17,440 --> 02:31:19,700
if it's legal, but if y'all could look into it.

1440
02:31:20,180 --> 02:31:45,680
I think landfill staff in the past, we could again, but I'll tell you in general, particularly when you're looking at clearing significant tracks of land, these devices are high-cost and low-volume and in many instances might not really be financially feasible.

1441
02:31:45,680 --> 02:31:56,360
And there are, I mean, the creation of landfills to put this debris in is theoretically possible.

1442
02:31:56,360 --> 02:32:00,360
And I think we may get an implication for at least one of those.

1443
02:32:01,560 --> 02:32:07,960
But the value of the material is such that that becomes costly and not very practical.

1444
02:32:07,960 --> 02:32:20,760
So in fact, one person that's considering it, tell me that's between $5 and $10,000 per parcel estimated cost to go that way.

1445
02:32:21,700 --> 02:32:26,340
And if we were going to create a landfill full of firewood, we need to make sure we have fire protection.

1446
02:32:28,380 --> 02:32:28,700
I mean.

1447
02:32:29,020 --> 02:32:31,240
Well, we have SRS to come pick it up.

1448
02:32:35,400 --> 02:32:39,340
It may not be feasible, but it was just something that occurred to me as I was researching

1449
02:32:39,340 --> 02:32:39,760
it again.

1450
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:44,740
I know very little about them except what I've read online, but if it's something we can

1451
02:32:44,740 --> 02:32:48,080
investigate and see if it is feasible, it may not be, but we won't know until we look

1452
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:48,460
into it.

1453
02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:51,180
Well, I mean, they work.

1454
02:32:51,540 --> 02:32:57,120
They burn the material at such high temperature, at least the visible smoke and particulate

1455
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:58,240
is less.

1456
02:32:58,820 --> 02:33:02,900
But as Commissioner Thompson said, the byproducts are still really there.

1457
02:33:04,580 --> 02:33:06,640
Is there a market for any of the byproducts?

1458
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:09,100
They go into the air.

1459
02:33:09,720 --> 02:33:12,800
That's almost as far as what doesn't go into the air.

1460
02:33:13,100 --> 02:33:19,240
Yeah, the applicant last week stated that he takes the ash and mixes it with the dirt to make

1461
02:33:19,240 --> 02:33:19,680
top soil.

1462
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:20,200
Top soil.

1463
02:33:21,080 --> 02:33:21,440
Yeah.

1464
02:33:21,940 --> 02:33:25,240
That's a big big big big thing out west now.

1465
02:33:25,320 --> 02:33:26,380
Top soil.

1466
02:33:26,380 --> 02:33:32,500
And going back to the air release by products, I'm assuming that would still be a lot less than with just an actual open burn.

1467
02:33:33,060 --> 02:33:33,260
Yes.

1468
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:39,380
My understanding is the fire gets so hot, it burns the smoke, which is, I don't understand so.

1469
02:33:40,740 --> 02:33:47,700
There's still, you still have some, I mean, a lot less than that.

1470
02:33:47,700 --> 02:33:51,700
Yeah, because of the burn and the reburn and the pit.

1471
02:33:51,700 --> 02:34:08,160
But you're comparing that to a big pile, and as we've already, that was the whole thing about all of this all along, and that's why we asked about forestry being in charge of it.

1472
02:34:08,160 --> 02:34:12,920
The forestry does that niche as a permit, it looks at all the piles, it says, okay, you burn

1473
02:34:12,920 --> 02:34:19,840
that pile, then you burn that pile, then you burn that pile, well, the guy that's managing

1474
02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:26,420
the operation knows that whatever all the piles are gone, he gets his money and the project

1475
02:34:26,420 --> 02:34:27,120
moves on.

1476
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:32,000
So he likes that pile, that pile, or that pile, and everybody starts calling,

1477
02:34:34,060 --> 02:34:36,100
and forestry

1478
02:34:36,100 --> 02:34:38,340
because nothing about it.

1479
02:34:38,820 --> 02:34:42,060
So that's the, I guess that's the bad part.

1480
02:34:42,540 --> 02:34:45,200
There's no, and I think Steve found this out.

1481
02:34:45,480 --> 02:34:50,160
There's no teeth in the permit process with the stake.

1482
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:53,740
I mean, our folks burning in their backyard,

1483
02:34:54,360 --> 02:34:57,060
55 gallons of drum is not, you know,

1484
02:34:57,140 --> 02:34:59,260
if you got that kind of beef with your neighbor,

1485
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:01,560
then you go have it out with your neighbor

1486
02:35:01,560 --> 02:35:03,300
and you don't work it out.

1487
02:35:03,300 --> 02:35:14,340
our problem is is clear-cut it. And in my opinion, barrestry either doesn't have the support

1488
02:35:14,340 --> 02:35:23,040
to follow up on their permit and something that some legislation needs to be stirred there.

1489
02:35:24,280 --> 02:35:30,900
But eventually, it's not going to matter because everything's already going to be burnt up in Brunswick County.

1490
02:35:30,900 --> 02:35:33,220
So we're going to be built out.

1491
02:35:35,510 --> 02:35:36,790
Any other discussion?

1492
02:35:39,160 --> 02:35:39,440
OK.

1493
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:40,580
Thank you, everybody.

1494
02:35:42,140 --> 02:35:43,140
Moving on.

1495
02:35:45,140 --> 02:35:46,660
We have a request that the Board

1496
02:35:46,660 --> 02:35:50,160
consider an appointment for Gregory Price

1497
02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:55,180
to the Bolivia Planning Board as the ETJ appointee.

1498
02:35:55,180 --> 02:35:58,380
Mr. Price is working this evening.

1499
02:35:58,660 --> 02:36:00,200
It cannot be here in person.

1500
02:36:00,860 --> 02:36:07,160
But our friend, the mayor, is back here, Nancy Cook.

1501
02:36:08,460 --> 02:36:11,980
She's been waiting very patiently for us to approve this.

1502
02:36:12,620 --> 02:36:17,280
I called her go home and don't worry about it before she started, but she wanted to be here.

1503
02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:18,100
How much approval?

1504
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:19,640
Oh, sir.

1505
02:36:21,850 --> 02:36:22,770
William's Thompson.

1506
02:36:23,530 --> 02:36:24,230
Any discussion?

1507
02:36:25,810 --> 02:36:27,490
Well, those in favor, please say aye.

1508
02:36:29,270 --> 02:36:30,130
There you go, Mayor.

1509
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:33,380
All right.

1510
02:36:33,380 --> 02:36:40,280
and please excuse me. Any other business or discussion

1511
02:36:40,280 --> 02:36:41,100
on the Board?

1512
02:36:41,720 --> 02:36:46,720
Two quick things. One is I'd love to get an update on where we are as far as getting

1513
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:51,840
moving with the feasibility study on the stormwater utility. It may be

1514
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:56,400
that at the next meeting but I'm curious about that. Secondly, the rural

1515
02:36:56,400 --> 02:37:00,120
planning organization that Commissioner Forte and I sit on adopted some

1516
02:37:00,120 --> 02:37:04,840
transportation legislative goals that I will send to this board and if you guys are interested

1517
02:37:04,840 --> 02:37:09,460
in we can adopt something similar at the next meeting they're pretty basic I don't see

1518
02:37:09,460 --> 02:37:14,500
you know one of them is for DOT to provide additional funding to maintain its ditches in the area

1519
02:37:14,500 --> 02:37:19,080
regulated by the coastal area management so things like that they would help other things we're talking

1520
02:37:19,080 --> 02:37:22,600
about but I'll send those out and if we're interested we could put those on the next meeting.

1521
02:37:24,900 --> 02:37:24,920
Okay.

1522
02:37:24,920 --> 02:37:32,780
I've got a term. One thing. I was saddened to learn this week of the passing of one of our former employees

1523
02:37:32,780 --> 02:37:41,700
Doug Ledget. It was a a a parametric or a number of you matter fact he served in a number of different

1524
02:37:41,700 --> 02:37:50,900
roles with Franz Witt County over the years but he certainly served with distinction and he certainly

1525
02:37:50,900 --> 02:37:58,740
was a pioneer in the paramedic program with private county. So I would just ask it. Remember

1526
02:37:58,740 --> 02:38:04,640
his family during this time? Yeah, I worked with him. I worked when he was in the main office.

1527
02:38:06,920 --> 02:38:12,260
Any other discussion, Marty? Well, we'll recognize the Schloat Mayor elect. The Honourable Art

1528
02:38:12,260 --> 02:38:19,340
Dornfield isn't the back, so congratulations. Another glutton for punishment sitting it out all these

1529
02:38:19,860 --> 02:38:21,520
He doesn't know what he's saying.

1530
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:26,680
Any bets on whether he keeps coming to our meetings once he has had chairs.

1531
02:38:26,940 --> 02:38:28,340
Oh heck no.

1532
02:38:35,620 --> 02:38:36,620
Anything else?

1533
02:38:37,060 --> 02:38:40,000
Mr. Terny, you want to take us into close session?

1534
02:38:40,580 --> 02:38:45,360
Chairman Fordang, give us a quick answer to Mr. Williams's question about the feasibility study.

1535
02:38:45,860 --> 02:38:51,460
It's out right now. It's on the website for Bids, for folks to put that in.

1536
02:38:51,460 --> 02:38:53,980
and they close on December 5th.

1537
02:38:53,980 --> 02:38:57,040
Okay, so we'll have what we got on December 5th.

1538
02:38:58,490 --> 02:38:59,530
Okay, Mr. Returning.

1539
02:39:00,390 --> 02:39:02,910
Yes sir, if I can get on motion to enter into closed session,

1540
02:39:02,950 --> 02:39:07,390
we're showing it to 143, 3, 8, 10, 11, A, 1, 3 and 5.

1541
02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:10,090
Approve minutes, discuss the acquisition of property

1542
02:39:10,090 --> 02:39:11,210
and consult with attorney.

1543
02:39:11,490 --> 02:39:13,090
So, look, check that out.

1544
02:39:13,250 --> 02:39:15,010
I was pretty much everybody dialing.

1545
02:39:15,030 --> 02:39:16,630
You're sighting me, yeah, we're all there.

1546
02:39:16,830 --> 02:39:17,410
I'll vote in favor.

1547
02:39:17,810 --> 02:39:19,250
Pick any two names you want.

1548
02:56:01,010 --> 02:56:20,770
That's we're back Mr. Returny. Yes, thank you. Thank you for the motion to acquire easements on parcel 02400202 and 02400202 up to an including condemnation.

1549
02:56:20,770 --> 02:56:21,870
some food.

1550
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:25,530
Cook, Thompson, any discussion?

1551
02:56:26,910 --> 02:56:27,730
All those in favor?

1552
02:56:28,310 --> 02:56:28,590
Aye.

1553
02:56:29,690 --> 02:56:32,730
Somebody please say move to adjourn.

1554
02:56:32,910 --> 02:56:35,410
There's the one I'm looking for.

1555
02:56:35,750 --> 02:56:36,230
We're done.

1556
02:56:37,150 --> 02:56:38,030
Good night, all.

1557
02:56:38,330 --> 02:56:38,470
Yeah.