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» You still smiling?

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Good. Thank you.

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» All right. I'd like to call this meeting

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to order. Um, tonight we have a

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invitation provided by Pastor Bill

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Gilmore of the First Presbyterian

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Church.

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Good evening, sir.

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» Let's pray. Lord God, we thank you for

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the blessings that we have received,

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both known and unknown, for this

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community that we live in, that we may

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all live in peace and harmony. Dear

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Lord, help us to be good stewards of

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your creation, to be thoughtful and

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loving towards this beautiful place we

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call home, to truly appreciate and

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respect the beauty of the world that

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surrounds us. Lord God, we ask that you

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share your wisdom and grace with all who

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are in authority as they are called to

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govern our city. We pray that we all may

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share in the love of our neighbor and be

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kind and compassionate towards all that

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we meet. Lord, guide us in making good,

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sound decisions for building towards a

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future that our children and their

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children may prosper and grow in a place

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that the families may thrive in harmony

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with the beautiful world around them.

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All these we ask in Jesus name. Amen.

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>> allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for it

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stands one nation

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indivisible with liberty and justice for

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all.

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» Roll call.

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>> Council member Voguez

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>> Deputy Mayor Purden

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>> Council member Carr

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>> Mayor Gibson

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>> here.

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>> Council member Corey

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>> here. Council member Fullick

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>> Council member Fitzpatrick

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>> Thank you. All right. Uh public comment

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on budget agenda items. Any public

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comment on the budget?

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All right. Mike, you want to read the

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>> This is a resolution of the city of

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Bonita Springs, Florida, Lee County,

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Florida, adopting the final levying of

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advalorum taxes for the city of Bonita

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Springs, Lee County, Florida for fiscal

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year 2026 2027 and providing for an

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effective date. Whereas the city of

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Bonita Springs, Lee County, Florida on

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September 23rd, 2026 adopted fiscal year

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2026 2027 final millage rate following a

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public hearing as required by Florida

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statute 200.065

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and whereas the city of Bonita Springs,

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Lee County, Florida held a p public

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hearing as required by Florida statute

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200.065 065. And whereas the gross

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taxable value for operating purposes not

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exempt from taxation within the city of

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Bonita Springs, Lee County, Florida, has

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been certified by the Lee County

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Property Appraiser to the city of Bonita

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Springs as 19 bill271,813,275.

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Now therefore be it resolved by the city

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council of the city of Bonita Springs,

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Florida. Number one, the fiscal year

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2026 20227 final ad valorum operating

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millage rate is hereby adopted as 0.8470

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mills that is 0.8470

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cents per $1,000 of assessed property

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value which is greater than the rollback

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rate of 0.8411 8411 mills by 0.70%

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mills and the levy of an annual tax for

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city year is made. Number two, the final

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mill rate is established to provide

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funding for the fiscal year 2026 20227

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budget and the resulting increase in

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advorum tax revenues is necessary to

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fund various storm water improvements,

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transportation improvements,

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community aesthetics projects, and other

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capital projects. Number three, this

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resolution shall become effective

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immediately upon its adoption by city

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council.

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>> Motion to approve.

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>> Second. We have a motion in a second.

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any appetite of the council to go to the

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roll back rate?

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» I would like to see the roll back rate.

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Lisa, the roll back rate, what's the

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difference of

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um which isn't a whole lot. Um you know,

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just with the the climate, the way it's

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going with the amendment three and the

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Florida doge and everything. Yeah.

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going to have to rearrange things. But

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this is such a that for $190,000 the

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idea that we can't go back on to a roll

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back so that we're philosophically kind

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of going in the right direction.

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$190,000 problem. Okay. 109. So it's

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that's not the type of problem we're

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talking about. So if it's if amendment

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three passes, we have a significantly

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larger scale issue to deal with. That

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said, every piece of polling that I've

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seen does not show that it has the

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support and there's a bunch of money

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it from all of the special districts,

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from the sheriffs, from everybody who is

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going to have a vested interest in it. I

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think the realtors dropped money for it,

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but I think everybody, every other group

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essentially is going to be dropping a

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bunch of money against it. You have to

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have over 60. They're not at 60. So, if

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you're not at 60 and you're about to

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have the world dropped on your head, the

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chances of it passing are not

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significant. So, that's that's my honest

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analysis from what I'm seeing.

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yes, 100 and change is not a significant

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revenue sources from sales tax, from

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state shared revenue, you're talking of

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reductions of hundreds of thousands of

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dollars. Um, three years ago, the year

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commitment by council was such that we made the adjustment in in the

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millillage to go ahead and account for

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rebuilding our reserves in terms of our

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storm water and resiliency.

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uh we are at 1.5 million or something

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like that and short of our target of $10

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million and I think um to to go ahead

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even with something less than $200,000

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with a declining revenue source it

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doesn't make sense for the limited

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impact that it would have on the budget.

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discussed millage.

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should or we should or I'm sorry 109.

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increased millage and not roll back.

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not going to the roll back.

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though the number is

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not knowing what happens. Three,

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regardless of our optimism one way or

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the other, um it it's far easier to to

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keep our powder dry. Um in the event

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that it goes the other way. So, um

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amount of powder we have is going to be

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bigger issue fish to fry.

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got less sales tax. You got reduced

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impact fees which we know are going to

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be bouncing around all around the place

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and so forth. The gas tax is down and and our and we got a reduced shared

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of of state revenue. So, so I mean you

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everything all our other revenue sources

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have been cut and to just even to

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eliminate this small amount I I just

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doesn't think it

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citizens and the projects we're

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supporting I don't think it it's it's

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right to take that piece out.

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>> The the the position that you're

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articulating is the exact position that

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the citizens are in. Everybody is in a

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situation right now where affordability

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matters and a little bit of money a just

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this just reading the article that we we

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lowered it instead of being like

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everybody else and raised it at least

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maybe they're going to think hey they're

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on our side.

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itself like you said is inconsequential

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and we're feeling you know we're

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starting to feel like we have to might

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maybe tighten things up. look around our

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community. Every single person is in

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that situation. So for us to be able to

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give a little bit of relief in a

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situation when they're feeling the

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strain, we're partners in this. And I

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think that, you know, it would be

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affordability matters and every little

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bit matters. And really more than

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anything since it is an inconsequential

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amount of money, as you stated, it's a

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signal that we feel your pain. we are

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with you and we want to make sure that

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we can maintain services but ensure that

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you as the citizens uh feel like we're

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doing right by you.

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>> Thanks Mike. Um you know I I understand

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and respect everybody's feelings on this

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being out on the campaign trail and

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talking to people. Um and this is a good

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example today. Not a single person came

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up here to talk about the budget. They

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trust us. They really do. They love

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hearing the fact that our city is in

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much better financial shape than many

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other municipalities.

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And you know, three years ago, guys,

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remember we did the right thing. We

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started building the reserve fund back

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up. And thanks to Chris's efforts on,

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you know, knowing where we should be.

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We're getting there. Um, I would rather

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be able to be in a position next year

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saying to folks, hey, we're going to be able to give you some

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money back, but it's going to be a

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really, really difficult meeting next

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year during budget hearings if if three

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passes. So, do we do the responsible

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thing and say, "Guys, we're not going to

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raise the millage rate, but we're

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concerned." And nobody wants to hear, by

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the way, nobody wants to hear about

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cutting services. They really don't. And

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so I haven't had one single person say

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to me once I've said,"Well, you're

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probably talking about saving yourself a

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dollar or two," "No, leave, as long as

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you're not going to raise it, leave it

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alone." That's what the people are

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saying that I'm talking to in my

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district. Either way, we're doing a good

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thing, but I think I'd really ask all of

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you to be really pragmatic about this

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and be the parents that are saying no, increase in your allowance this year.

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Chris,

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>> well always look at

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try to break the the tax rate down into

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two pieces. One is is supporting the

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operations of the city day in and day

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out. Uh the community policing program,

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the the uh building department and what

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we try to do in terms of services to uh

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the uh voters. The second piece is the

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what the the money we collect to build

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the city and we have done an you know we

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continue to do an outstanding job I

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think in terms of building the

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infrastructure whether it's the money

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we're going to spend on BERT whether

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it's the downtown improvements whether

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it's the east side improvements or along

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the beach so you know the the mill rate

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goes for two things it goes for services

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it goes for capital improvements

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I don't see that we've had a discussion

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in the previous budget meetings about

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the need to just simply cut back the tax

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rate. I think we have a plan that to to

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provide the services needed. We have a

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plan for capital improvements and I

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think what we're here to do is to

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finalize the money that we need to

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collect in order to achieve the goals

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that we've set out in the whole budget

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process. So I would not be in favor of

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cutting back because we if we were going

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to cut that back then we should have

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been discussing it before that.

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>> Laura,

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>> I'd just like to add to Jesse. It also

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sign shows a shine of hope that we

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believe things are going to get better

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and that our downtown folks are going to

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be hit up for money [laughter]

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and because we're not having our

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services cut. We're having the best, you

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know, events and um we're not going to

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change, but we might have to go about it

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a little bit different for a little

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while to get where we need to be. So,

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I'm still inclined to go to the roll

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back

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>> and I think you need

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five.

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» Um,

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yeah. I mean, I have to look at it like

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we've said it. I mean, we say it's

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$109,000,

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but I mean, we look at how we've wanted

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to run our city and what we've wanted to

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do and the events we've wanted to plan

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and provide for our citizens. And yes,

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it's 109 and maybe that's not a lot, but

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it's going to help us be able to still

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continue to provide for what we have

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planned and what our citizens love and

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have come to see Bonita Springs grow to

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be. So, I am inclined to stay with where

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we're at at this point.

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>> Before we vote, can I ask a question?

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Does anybody know, Lisa, maybe what what

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was the adorum year-over-year like? So, what did we think we were going to

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get? What did we actually get?

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» Because my I'm just wondering if if did

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we did we get more than 109,000

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than we than what we anticipated?

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>> Um do do you mean from the taxable value

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growth? Our taxable value this year was

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relatively flat.

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>> Okay.

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>> Um I think it was 09 actually. They got

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a little bit of a bump from June to

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July, but it was on average pretty flat.

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>> Would you would you say it would be more

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than 109?

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» Um,

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I wouldn't want to speak without looking

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back. I wasn't prepared for that

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question. Um,

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possibly. I mean, if you look in your

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budget packet, um, you know, page 11,

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the total, if we stayed where we are

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now, the increase in Avalor revenue was

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365,000.

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That was from, um, some new

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construction. And and and keep in mind

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when we say roll back rate, that's

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designed um to produce the revenue that

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you uh would have earned in the prior

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year plus your new construction and new

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growth. because new construction and new

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growth means new services, new

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households or new businesses that

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require services. So it it's not flat

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completely revenue-wise. Um so does that

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answer your question, Jesse?

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>> So the answer to my question would be

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yes. It was more than 109.

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>> Yes. Yes.

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>> Okay.

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>> All right. So I just wanted to clarify

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that before the vote. So it that would

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cover the differential of what you just

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discussed. So you're worried about the

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109. What I'm saying is we brought in

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more than that. So that more than covers

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that loss that you're worried about if

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that changes anything. I'm just saying

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if if that changes anything,

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>> but it didn't cover inflation.

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>> That's fair. That's look and if we want

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to figure out what that calculation

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would be and see where we're at, that's

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fine. But I mean, I think we're all kind

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of on the same page. This this number is

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not going to make or break our budget,

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but it is going to be a signal to the

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people that we represent that we hear

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your pain. And we are also in the same

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situation,

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>> Nigel. Well, I wanted to speak uh the

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realtors. I can say that realtors in

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this area were really surprised and not

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happy about what the board of realtors,

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the Florida State Board of Realtors did.

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>> Yeah. $10 million. But that was one of

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those I guess it was somewhat fractious.

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Um but they're not in support of it. And

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when you talk about property values,

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let's be real serious. We're not going

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to have a lot more building in Benita

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Springs over the next couple of years.

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we're kind of close to build out. You've

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got um major builders who are pulling

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back on their projections for next year.

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And then you look at uh condominiums,

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single family homes are doing okay.

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Condos are not. The average condo is the sellers are having to come down in

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their prices. So when Lisa says flat

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this year, I'm saying flat next year and

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could get worse. You know, when we say

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we're sending a good message or we're

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sending the message that we feel your

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pain, I think the citizens want to hear

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that we're continuing to run the city

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and then in a year or two they're not

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going to hear we're raising your taxes

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while your incomes have gone down.

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There's nothing easy about this, but I'd

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rather be sitting in this situation next

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year saying, "Hey, we're going to be

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able to lower your taxes

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>> in this current economy." If you think

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if we had a a polling of the audience in

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this economy and we said, "Would you

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prefer we raise your taxes or or lower

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your taxes?" What do you think?

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>> Would you prefer we leave your taxes or lower them or lower them? What do you

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think that $5?

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>> That's not relevant. You want more or

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less?

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>> It's It is relevant. Come on. Just say

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to people, "We're going to we're going

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to lower your taxes $5, but we're

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probably going to have to cut back on

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services." Why would we have to cut back

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on services when again we just

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established that we had covered it?

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>> Inflation less income than we expect,

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>> right? But if we got 365 and we're at

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109, sub do subtract that and then

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calculate income and we still more than

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covered that. [clears throat]

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» Yes. Um Lisa, could you go ahead? Do we

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have more than 40,000 taxable houses

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here?

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I'm sorry, sir. I'm not.

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>> Do we have more than 40,000 taxable

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houses in the city of Bonita Springs?

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>> I thought it was like 48,000 or

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something like that, but

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>> that sounds You mean parcels? Actually,

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>> parcels that would re be receiving

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property taxes of some mean.

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>> That sounds like a fair number. I' I'd

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hate to

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>> be specific. Yes. If you take the

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40,000, you divide it into the into the

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109,000, that's $2.75.

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And I guess my question is instead of

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asking, do you want your taxes lowered?

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Do you do would would you prefer to to keep the 275 that are in your taxes

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today? Because we only charge 6.6 of

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every profit tax dollar comes to the

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city of Bonita. We are the lowest end of

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this whole thing.

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>> You're not I 100% agree with that. I

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mean the the honest to god truth is the

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schools make out the best in this entire

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deal and they're not even included in

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amendment three.

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>> I know.

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>> So I mean I mean whether

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>> my only point it's $2.75. This is this

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is not a consequential tax reduction to

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a parcel owner in the city of

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>> spring. Then why the opposition?

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>> I'm sorry.

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>> I said then why such vehement

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opposition? If it's not if it's such an

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inconsequential thing then what is the

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problem? because I value the the that

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$900,000 of income for the variety of

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issues that we confront both on a

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budgeted and an unbudgeted basis.

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>> We're at 9 109.

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>> Yeah.

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>> I mean,

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we seem to have no problem talking about

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cutting stuff when we vote for

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additional appropriations during the

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year. And from my end, 109,000 for some

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of the miscellaneous stuff that we have

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voted on the past year and so forth

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without discussing what we're going to

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cut. I mean, think about the fact just

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Byron Donald's just got us $2.8 million

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for what, Rosemary Drive or something

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like that. That wasn't that wasn't

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anything we anticipated getting. How

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much did the state give us and what and

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what for the projects they gave us? Did

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we account for that in our budgeting?

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No. Those were a hope and a prayer that

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we would get them. We got them. That's

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great. That helps our budget, but we

534
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can't pretend that things don't exist

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holistically because there are things

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that are coming in also that we aren't

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accounting for. So, you have to be you

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have to look at both sides of that. I

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respect your opinion, but the the

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reality is if you use the number of

541
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:22,559
40,000 parcels divided into 109,000s,

542
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,200
it's approximately $2.75

543
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,120
impact to the homeowner.

544
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,120
>> So you're saying 275 is

545
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,720
>> inconsequential in that I would not roll

546
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,799
back the taxes for 275.

547
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,600
>> So if you're saying that, what is 275?

548
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:38,720
>> Because of the

549
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,919
>> because what is look at our entire

550
00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:41,520
budget. How much what is 109 of our

551
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840
entire budget?

552
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,400
Is it consequential? Nope.

553
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,559
>> Okay. So,

554
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,960
>> the dinosaur in the room is amendment

555
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,440
three.

556
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,159
>> Yeah.

557
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:53,200
>> Right. So,

558
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,400
>> there's something else we're not talking

559
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,919
about is the folks on the east coast and

560
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:00,400
not disparaging anybody personally. They

561
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,520
don't seem to be able to run their

562
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,440
cities very well. You've already got

563
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,039
you've got cities over there with two

564
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:09,520
and a half% 2 plus millage rates and

565
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,039
they're in trouble over there with

566
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,919
amendment three big time. And when we

567
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:17,200
say that Tallahassee or I mean Byron

568
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,159
gets elected, great. Good for us. But

569
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:22,000
there's gonna be limited dollars. And

570
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,520
the people that'll scream the loudest

571
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,559
are the ones on the East Coast. And they

572
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,080
there's 7 million people in three

573
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,400
counties over there. We've got what, 1.6

574
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,360
here?

575
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,679
>> Yeah. I've heard him make the pitch many

576
00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:35,200
times out on the campaign trail that,

577
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,000
you know, we have how many

578
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,080
municipalities in Florida and only a

579
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,840
handful

580
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,080
over this last five to 10 years when property values have been going up

581
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,440
have ever even considered or actually

582
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,360
done a roll back. And he's like, and

583
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,679
that's the reason that people feel okay

584
00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:51,200
with something like amendment three

585
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,640
because they haven't. They they've been

586
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,080
getting more money and they never did a

587
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,080
roll back. So again, here we're we're

588
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,760
just kind of in the microcosm of the

589
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,159
same situation this year. It's we had a

590
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:02,000
little bit more, not a much more, but

591
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,679
it's we're in the decision. We're in the

592
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:04,960
inflection point of are we going to or

593
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,520
are we not going to and it's it's it is

594
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,440
I think it's it is the fact that we

595
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,559
neglected to do it. Not us, but of many

596
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:14,640
of our brethren neglected to do it for

597
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,799
so long while they're getting 2% and

598
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:18,559
their property value rates are going

599
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:20,240
through the roof that people

600
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,840
holistically start to get the idea that

601
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,159
cities can't manage their budget. We

602
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:25,840
manage our budget well. We do a great

603
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,760
job. But I'm saying that's how we got

604
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,440
here. There's people in the audience, a

605
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,720
couple right now, and there's folks

606
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,840
watching on TV. And let's say it again,

607
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,240
we haven't raised taxes here in four

608
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,520
years. We haven't raised our millage

609
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,320
rate in four years. We operate on 6 and

610
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,679
a half or 6.7 cents out of every dollar.

611
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:45,279
We're we've got I mean, we're

612
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:46,880
financially one of the soundest cities

613
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,039
in the state of Florida. And I'm saying

614
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:50,240
that because a lot of people don't

615
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,120
realize it. We're not in trouble. And

616
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,200
when some when you say it's only

617
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,760
109,000, we're sending a message. I get

618
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,880
what you're saying, Jesse, and you're

619
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,400
right. People do want to hear it because

620
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,080
some of them they're saying they're

621
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,120
going to they're going to they're going

622
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,440
to lower my taxes and then under the

623
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000
breath by $2.70

624
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,320
rather than next year it could be a

625
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,840
tough year, but at least Bonita Springs

626
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,000
will not be saying to taxpayers, we've

627
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,360
got to jump it to 1.3 1.5 because we're

628
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,279
in trouble. Well, the real but and and

629
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:21,440
just to be fair, the reality is even if

630
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,679
it passes by next budget year, this is

631
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:25,360
not going to be settled because there is

632
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,360
going to be legal challenges because all

633
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,200
of the the reality is that there's going

634
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,120
to be bond holders who have already been

635
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,039
made promises with Ed Warum dollars and

636
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:34,320
then when you cut up the Ed Warorum

637
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,600
dollars, they can't fulfill their bond

638
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,440
covenants. So now these people are going

639
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,520
to then sue the state. Bottom line, that

640
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,960
is going to create a situation where

641
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,960
it's not going to affect us next year in

642
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,480
that way because if it were to pass 150%

643
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,400
I'm telling you it's going to court.

644
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,480
>> First the first lawsuits are going to be

645
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,880
it's unconstitutional. You can't exclude

646
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,799
certain entities. I won't name them but

647
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:55,919
we have

648
00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:57,919
>> school board. But and you can't and you

649
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:00,240
cannot go back you can't make a a

650
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,640
municipality retroactively go back on a

651
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,320
bond covenant.

652
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,600
You're so you're you're saying that

653
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,440
people have to retroactively go back and

654
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,080
re renegotiate a financial deal based on

655
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,440
financials that are no longer there

656
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,799
because you took away the mech.

657
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,840
>> I mean that's an easy win because it's a

658
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,080
violation of the US Constitution and

659
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,440
it's a violation of the Florida

660
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,919
Constitution. You can't you cannot do anything to oblarm taxes

661
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:28,799
that impact a bond contract.

662
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:30,480
>> But at the end of the day, lawsuits take

663
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,440
time, right?

664
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,679
>> Well, it won't be it won't even it pass

665
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,600
before the problem is you're Chris said

666
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,159
it 100% correct but the problem is

667
00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:39,840
nothing can be done about it until it

668
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,000
passes so if it it's probably not going

669
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,080
to pass but if it does pass then Chris

670
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,000
is 100% right but then it goes to court

671
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,640
but point being this situation with the

672
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,919
budget next year oh no we're going to

673
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:51,360
have to address for amendment three no

674
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,440
you're talking two if it passed and it

675
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,559
got through the court rulings you're

676
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:55,760
talking two years before it's an issue

677
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,279
for us honestly if we're going to be

678
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,919
honest about it

679
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,440
>> if we're really going to be honest about

680
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,120
it it's It's not really a tax cut. It's

681
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,799
a tax shift. And sooner or later, people

682
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,880
are going to figure it out. Because

683
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,200
what ends up happening is if if it

684
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,200
passes, then you're going to have all

685
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,080
the the discussion about, well, in order

686
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,399
to make budgets work, we're going to

687
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,799
have to have sales taxes

688
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,200
>> or income taxes. That's where they're

689
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,240
going.

690
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,080
There there's already municipalities on

691
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,600
the other coast, I won't name them, that

692
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,080
have already instituted higher taxes in

693
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,240
anticipation of amendment three passing.

694
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,840
>> There's so many different ways to get

695
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,399
around this. You could do the Cape Coral

696
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:43,279
thing. You could do special assessments

697
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,320
uh for all over the place for supportive

698
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,039
parks, for supported libraries, for

699
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,720
supportive

700
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,399
additional support of storm water

701
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,480
resilience. You could you could play

702
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,480
that game all day.

703
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,520
uh you know the

704
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,919
but the problem is yeah I don't know

705
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,640
that I think we spent a long time

706
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,520
dealing with this budget this year staff

707
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,159
has put a long time dealing and I just

708
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:12,559
don't think the juice is worth the

709
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:16,000
squeeze on $109,000

710
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,840
and trying to figure out well what

711
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,600
capital project are we going to take it

712
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,399
out of or what

713
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:24,320
who who are we going to lay off or what

714
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,039
services are we going to uh in order to

715
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:29,760
make the budget balance to 109,000. I

716
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,520
just don't think the juice is worth

717
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,200
>> that that yes, but that's not how it

718
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,039
works. So if we're short 109,000, we're

719
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,159
not firing somebody. We're not getting

720
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:37,919
rid of a capital improvement. So

721
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,279
>> but we may not be able to close the

722
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:42,080
roads for Halloween like we want to.

723
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,679
>> Those are all decisions that are left to

724
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:44,640
us.

725
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,279
>> I mean, we have the ability to to

726
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,520
prioritize and pay for things as we

727
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,520
would like to.

728
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,679
Well, why don't we uh why don't we

729
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:54,960
>> can call the question if if I don't

730
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,480
think anybody's changing anybody's

731
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,919
>> I think that I just want to go ahead and

732
00:30:57,919 --> 00:30:59,120
basically close is that we've been

733
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,000
talking about this budget since July

734
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,760
and this whole discussion came up was

735
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,399
predicated upon where rates are today

736
00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:08,640
>> and to be back here in the 23rd hour and

737
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,159
all of a sudden finding the light of the

738
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:11,760
Lord to come down and and say that we

739
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,159
got to roll it back. Where was this

740
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:17,120
discussion three months ago?

741
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,880
were you here every single budget

742
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,320
meeting that we've had where we where I

743
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,000
said hey are we going to talk about roll

744
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,679
back we're like nope nope we have to get

745
00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:25,760
through to this part and then if you

746
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,120
want to do it then at that point you

747
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,279
would do it I three meetings in a row so

748
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,279
it's so this isn't beaming down from the

749
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:37,600
Lord this is this has been said time again on public record in front of

750
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,840
the people so this is not something that

751
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,279
I just thought of right then

752
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:42,960
>> but that was a decision that you made to

753
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,720
let it be kicked down the road

754
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760
>> no Actually,

755
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,799
>> it never was a discussion.

756
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,080
>> We never go down.

757
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,279
>> We can.

758
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:51,919
>> We always said

759
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:53,919
>> we can never go up. We can never go up.

760
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:56,240
>> Now we're saying

761
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,919
that the people are feeling

762
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:00,799
affordability is a real issue. And I

763
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,880
don't think that it's just $5 a

764
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,600
household,

765
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,760
>> $2.75,

766
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:05,919
you're

767
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:07,679
>> right. It's not $5.

768
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:08,480
>> Okay. Yeah.

769
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,559
>> Well, our city, I mean, Lisa, if we keep

770
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,559
it the same or roll back

771
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:20,080
be okay or is it going to take

772
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,240
>> it would be staff's if if that's the

773
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,159
decision of the council. We would

774
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:26,480
recommend that we look at the unassigned

775
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,120
fund balance to take the at this time

776
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,600
and then you you'd have to continue to

777
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,200
adjust that as you went forward. But we

778
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,640
have how much do we currently have in

779
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,990
the unassigned?

780
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,070
» 3.9.

781
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640
» Okay. Um I think we've discussed it

782
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,080
enough. If I just had one question for

783
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,320
Derek before we moved on. Um,

784
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,480
maintaining the current military, is

785
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,640
that part of I know they just changed

786
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,559
something where they wanted a more than

787
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,000
a regular majority.

788
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,440
>> They didn't really they didn't actually

789
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,679
really change anything, but if if as

790
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:03,279
long as you're anything above roll back

791
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,720
up to 110% of roll back requires

792
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,240
twothirds. So you would need five votes.

793
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,559
So to maintain our current millillage

794
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,799
>> would maintain the current votes

795
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,269
>> and unanimous above 110%.

796
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,029
» Okay.

797
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,519
All right. Let's uh call the vote.

798
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:26,720
>> Okay. So th this [clears throat] is a

799
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960
motion to adopt the millage rate at

800
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,760
0.8470.

801
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,840
Council member Carr. No.

802
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,600
>> Council member Fullick.

803
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,720
>> Yes.

804
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,830
Council member Bogz.

805
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,240
» Um,

806
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,919
yes.

807
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:47,279
>> Mayor Gibson,

808
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:48,480
>> no.

809
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,240
>> Council member Fitzpatrick,

810
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,679
>> yes.

811
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:52,960
>> Deputy Mayor Purton,

812
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,960
>> no.

813
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,240
>> Council member Corey,

814
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,240
>> yes.

815
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,000
>> The motion fails by a vote of four to

816
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,679
three, having not achieved the required

817
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:06,070
twothirds majority.

818
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,480
So, make a motion that we uh adopt the

819
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,839
roll back.

820
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:12,320
>> No, it goes there.

821
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:12,800
>> It just

822
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,280
>> I mean, they haven't got five votes yet.

823
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,440
>> I think we should I do, but I think it's

824
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,800
appropriate, Nigel.

825
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,240
>> No, I I do. And that's where I'm going

826
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:22,240
with this, Jesse, is okay. We We've

827
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,320
spoken. We've all had a chance to

828
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,079
>> Let's vote on the roll back.

829
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,280
>> We have a motion.

830
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,639
>> Motion for second.

831
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,480
>> A second. All right. in any discussion

832
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,440
beyond I mean my my personal feeling is

833
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,760
you know just optics wise it's the right

834
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,839
thing to do with everything going on the

835
00:34:39,839 --> 00:34:43,040
past couple years Doge and everybody

836
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,599
else looking at all the budgets um you

837
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:46,960
know I just don't want to be one that's

838
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,800
called out for not going to the roll

839
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,599
back especially when it's as we said

840
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,879
it's kind of inconsequential but so

841
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:57,440
>> so so to clarify the vote is for

842
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,800
>> the roll back

843
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,800
>> which only requires four.

844
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Right. It's a motion a second.

845
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,400
>> Council member Boggas.

846
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,200
>> I.

847
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,160
>> Mayor Gibson.

848
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,040
>> I.

849
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,480
>> Council member Corey.

850
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,680
>> No.

851
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,800
>> Deputy Mayor Purton.

852
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,000
>> Hi.

853
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,920
>> Council member Fitzpatrick.

854
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,280
>> No.

855
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,040
>> Council member Folic.

856
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,400
>> I.

857
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,599
>> Council member Quir.

858
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,119
>> Hi.

859
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,599
>> Motion carries.

860
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,880
Five to five to two.

861
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,390
All right.

862
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,800
Thank you.

863
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,910
Moving on to number seven.

864
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,839
A resolution of the city of Bonita

865
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:43,680
Springs, Florida, Lee County, Florida,

866
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,680
adopting the final budget for fiscal

867
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,520
year 2026, 2027, and providing for an

868
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,440
effective date. Whereas the city of

869
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,359
Bonita Springs, Lee County, Florida on

870
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,320
September 23rd, 2026 held a public

871
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,720
hearing as required by Florida statute

872
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,400
200.065.

873
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,480
And whereas the city of Bonita Springs,

874
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Lee County, Florida, set forth the

875
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,119
appropriations and revenue estimate for

876
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:11,359
the budget for fiscal year 2026 2022 as

877
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:14,960
follows. Expenditures. General fund

878
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,069
24,543,829.

879
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:27,430
Special revenue 5,396,295.

880
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,510
Debt service1,533,000.

881
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:37,829
Capital projects 21,88,667

882
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:43,670
total all funds 52,561,791.

883
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,760
Now therefore, be it resolved by the

884
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,200
city council of the city of Bonita

885
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,359
Springs, Florida, number one, the fiscal

886
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:52,640
year 2026 2027 final budget is hereby

887
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,720
adopted. Number two, this resolution

888
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,560
shall become effective immediately upon

889
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,720
its adoption by city council.

890
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,480
>> Do we have a motion?

891
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,599
>> Motion to approve.

892
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:04,800
>> Second.

893
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,960
>> Wait, we have just to clarify what

894
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Arlene is asking for. We would have to

895
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,200
do an amendment on the 109,000 to have

896
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,040
that come out of the unassigned funds

897
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,560
balance.

898
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,480
>> I make a motion reduce community

899
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:25,829
policing $109,000.

900
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:27,040
>> Okay.

901
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,400
>> This is just expenditures, right?

902
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:36,710
>> Just expenditures. Yes.

903
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,359
» But we had Oh, yeah. Yeah, we had we had

904
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:40,640
a motion in a second for the second.

905
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,119
>> So So does that mean like no more like

906
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,560
automatic dogs for Carmine? [laughter]

907
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,480
>> No, that's No, that's not what we're

908
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,520
discussing. There was a motion in a

909
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,800
second to approve

910
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,640
>> what's already, you know, before us.

911
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,240
>> Chris just said

912
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,680
>> I offer an amendment.

913
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,400
>> Yeah,

914
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,160
>> but there was no second to the

915
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,520
amendment.

916
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,680
>> Okay, then

917
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,839
I'll listen to anything else in terms of

918
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:05,839
where you want to actually do the cut.

919
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:07,359
>> Okay. I would recommend that we do it

920
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:10,400
from the unassigned fund balance.

921
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,800
>> That that decision doesn't have to be

922
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,680
>> made today, but it will have to be made.

923
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,160
>> I mean, I think we can make it. Does anybody have opposition to

924
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,400
>> What if we asked for don sponsorships

925
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,480
for some of our events? We spend easily

926
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,440
we could get $100,000 to support

927
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,440
>> create a budget based on asking for

928
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,680
money that

929
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,480
We own a business.

930
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,589
>> All right, let's call the question.

931
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,000
» No, I'm serious. You really want to cut

932
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,160
the unassigned surplus? We had this

933
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,599
discussion two years ago and

934
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,520
>> 100%. Yes,

935
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,359
>> we had this discussion two years ago and

936
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:53,359
we ag that that I thought there was a

937
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:55,359
pretty persuasive argument at that time.

938
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:57,119
we really needed to be up around $10

939
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:58,880
million on the end of sign.

940
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,400
>> I do remember those of us who said that.

941
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,280
>> And now we're gonna say, "Well, we don't

942
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,480
we we only got 3.9, but let's cut it out

943
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,880
of there." Is that what you're saying?

944
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,839
>> No.

945
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:14,800
>> Okay. Where do you I thought you wanted

946
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,119
to cut it out of the unassigned.

947
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,680
>> I'm sorry. Did anybody cut it out of the

948
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,960
unassigned?

949
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,119
You're willing to take the 109 out of

950
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,680
the unassigned surplus, which we agreed

951
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,280
two years ago should be about.

952
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,560
>> No, no, we didn't. Okay. So, there was

953
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,640
no that was what you said because you

954
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,200
said it doesn't mean we agreed to it.

955
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,599
>> So, there's that. And second, if my

956
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:36,960
question is, do I want to take it out of

957
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,800
Lee County Sheriff's Office or the

958
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,960
unassigned fund balance? I think that's

959
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,240
a pretty easy question and that's why

960
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,160
you didn't get a second.

961
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,079
>> So, you're perfectly willing to spend

962
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,480
over $3 million on community policing.

963
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,640
>> $3 million. Okay. So

964
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:50,880
>> yes,

965
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,520
>> 3.9 million for a city of 60,000 people.

966
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,960
Yes, I am.

967
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,760
>> That's a sterile

968
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,240
>> public safety is our number one public

969
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,640
safety is our number one responsibility.

970
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,320
So, the fact that we are getting the

971
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,079
deal that we get with Lee County, which

972
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,599
includes not only all of the tools that

973
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,680
are in the Lee County box, you're

974
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,200
talking search and rescue, you're

975
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,440
talking choppers, you're talking uh

976
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,359
drone service, you're talking dogs,

977
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:18,960
you're talking detectives, you're

978
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,480
talking all of the apparatus that comes

979
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,240
with Lee County. So, that is

980
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:24,960
>> they would provide us if we were had the

981
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,720
same policing as Astero.

982
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,640
>> Well, Astero doesn't protect its

983
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,920
citizens the way that we did. Oh, is

984
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,000
that right? It's a high crime area.

985
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,920
>> They don't put the money or the

986
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,800
resources that we do into public safety

987
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,480
because they don't they don't see the

988
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,240
necessity for public safety. And I

989
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:42,800
understand, listen,

990
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,480
>> we're a high crime area and we need

991
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,119
this.

992
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,040
>> Who said we're a high crime area?

993
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,200
>> We're the most we are the mo we are we

994
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,480
are the most uh we're the most upand

995
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,079
cominging place in all of Southwest

996
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,079
Florida. We have there are more

997
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:57,599
millionaires in Bonita Springs than the

998
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,280
city of Naples. So I don't know exactly

999
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,920
>> more billionaires in Naples.

1000
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,920
>> So are we having to decide right now

1001
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,640
where then that why are we arguing this

1002
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:09,440
at this point?

1003
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,880
>> Because we have a presentation.

1004
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,839
>> Oh because we're arguing him because

1005
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:15,200
>> but we're not going to take policing

1006
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,160
away. I mean let's

1007
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,319
>> we're not I'm saying well there $3.9

1008
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:21,359
million. We can surely find $109,000 out

1009
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:22,640
of that. That

1010
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,960
>> of all of the things that we do that is

1011
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,720
the one thing that you would choose to

1012
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,240
take money from. Chris,

1013
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,640
>> I would have chosen to do it a long time

1014
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,400
ago, but I didn't want to fight the

1015
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,720
battle until somebody decided they

1016
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,000
wanted to make a political

1017
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,839
>> Why would you want to cut for of our

1018
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,920
entire budget that we just talked about

1019
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,720
$52 million you would take out of

1020
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,599
>> out of Lee County?

1021
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:44,160
>> Loaded.

1022
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,520
>> What do we do that's more important than

1023
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,560
provide safe public safety? Chris,

1024
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,319
>> nothing. We don't do anything more

1025
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:51,839
important than that.

1026
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:54,079
>> Okay, we're going to end this part of

1027
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:55,680
the discussion. It's not It's not part

1028
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,440
of what we're voting on right now. We

1029
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,200
already have a motion and a second. Roll

1030
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,079
call, please.

1031
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,000
>> Council member Fullic.

1032
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,280
>> I.

1033
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,880
>> Deputy Mayor Purdan.

1034
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,000
>> Wait, what is this?

1035
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,560
>> So, this is the motion is second to

1036
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,480
adopt a resolution for the final budget

1037
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,640
for fiscal year 2026 2027.

1038
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,720
>> Oh, yes. No, we do that later.

1039
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:17,599
>> Oh,

1040
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,319
>> we're voting on exactly how it's in the

1041
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:21,839
>> You're only voting on the expenditures.

1042
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:23,760
I I misspoke earlier. Only voting on the

1043
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,520
expenditures. You do not have to address

1044
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:25,839
the

1045
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:26,960
>> We're not specifying

1046
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,480
>> not specifying. It's only this

1047
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,800
resolution just just regulates the

1048
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,680
expenditures.

1049
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,440
>> Okay.

1050
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,040
I'm going to begin the roll call

1051
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,880
vote from the start. Council member

1052
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Folic,

1053
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,119
>> keep it at I Mike.

1054
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,520
>> Okay. Deputy Mayor Purton.

1055
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,880
>> Council member Corey.

1056
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,160
>> No.

1057
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,839
>> Council member Fitzpatrick.

1058
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,839
>> Hi.

1059
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:49,040
>> Council member Carr.

1060
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,000
>> Hi.

1061
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,800
>> Mayor Gibson.

1062
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,160
>> Hi.

1063
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,280
>> Council member Bogz.

1064
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,480
>> Hi.

1065
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,760
Motion carries six to one.

1066
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,079
>> All right. Thank you. Moving on to item

1067
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,400
eight, public comment. Any public

1068
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:11,510
comment on tonight's budget meeting.

1069
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,079
» Ron George for Little Hickory Island. I

1070
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,119
know $109,000 isn't much, but I have to

1071
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,040
agree it's a great signal to the

1072
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,440
citizens that we are at least thinking

1073
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,560
about budget. So, I appreciate the

1074
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,640
support of that. Thanks.

1075
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,880
>> Thank you, Ron. Anyone else?

1076
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,720
Right. Is there a motion to adjurnn and

1077
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,160
move into our regular meeting?

1078
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,680
>> Motion to adjourn.

1079
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,920
>> All right. So, moved.

1080
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,560
>> All right. So, I'll call our regular

1081
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,720
meeting into order.

1082
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,240
Um, the invocation and pledge of

1083
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,680
allegiance were observed during the

1084
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,480
budget hearing. And since nobody left,

1085
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,760
uh, I think we can forgo the roll call.

1086
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,160
So, moving right into public comment on

1087
00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:01,910
agenda items for our regular meeting.

1088
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,839
» Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor, City Council,

1089
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:06,000
Kyle Moran, Felts Avenue, um in the

1090
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,640
downtown. I wanted to discuss agenda

1091
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,079
item 8 uh B. I also want to thank you

1092
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,240
for that rigorous discussion of uh the

1093
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,040
city's uh budget. You know, I think it's

1094
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,359
worth everyone remembering when you go

1095
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,040
to pay your property tax bill in the

1096
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,599
city of Bonita Springs, this city gets

1097
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,640
less than seven cents of the dollar that

1098
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,920
uh you spend on taxes. Uh the state

1099
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,880
allows the city to charge as much as 10

1100
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,720
mills, which is $10 per thousand. And um

1101
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,359
the city charges 85 cents a thousand.

1102
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:43,119
So, thank you um for your rigorous uh

1103
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:45,520
budget management. And uh what's

1104
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,880
remarkable, too, is that when you do

1105
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,000
spend, you spend wisely. And uh if you

1106
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,160
think about that BERT vote, which is the

1107
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,160
first time in the city's 26-year history

1108
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,079
that we had a real referendum in a

1109
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:57,680
community made up of 51 gated

1110
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,119
communities, a real referendum about how

1111
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,440
the leadership in this building was

1112
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,079
spending their money. And what's so

1113
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,480
remarkable about that with the massive

1114
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,200
turnout and the massive vote of approval

1115
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,680
is that people said, "We're in favor of

1116
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,680
you spending a little extra of our tax

1117
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,680
dollars to build really great community

1118
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,400
assets." I think that's an incredible uh

1119
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,200
endorsement for what you're doing. And

1120
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,280
what you're doing is so apparent in that

1121
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,000
downtown. You're you're building economy

1122
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,680
or sorry, you're building community, but

1123
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,520
you're also building economy. There's

1124
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,440
real economic development happening

1125
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,640
there. You're about to cut a ribbon on a

1126
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,560
beautifully revitalized banyan tree

1127
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,280
park, right? Once an eyesore is become

1128
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,440
going to become a great public asset,

1129
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,079
the band shell is the same. You have

1130
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,160
this wonderful collection of parks and

1131
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,520
it's being joined by a lot of private

1132
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,680
investment. And at the same time, the

1133
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,440
gateway to that downtown on that

1134
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,839
southern side is not fitting the great

1135
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,240
downtown that you're building. So when

1136
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,040
you bury those power lines with FPL,

1137
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,160
when you build a really great community

1138
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,400
entrance, you're moving towards a

1139
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,839
completion of that mission. And that

1140
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,560
mission is so important. For too long,

1141
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,800
Bonita was a place that people drove

1142
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,200
through and a result, as a result of

1143
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,839
your actions, it's increasingly becoming

1144
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:22,880
a place that people drive to, a great

1145
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,640
destination. So, I want you to know that

1146
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,800
not only do the taxpayers support what

1147
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,720
you're doing through that BERT vote, but

1148
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,200
the people that work in and invest in

1149
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,880
downtown really support what you're

1150
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,800
doing as well. I hope you'll approve

1151
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,520
agenda item 8B, and I want to thank you

1152
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,200
for all your great work on behalf of our

1153
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,400
city. Thanks.

1154
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,880
>> Thank you, Kyle. Any other public

1155
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,510
comment on agenda items?

1156
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,480
Right. Seeing none, we'll move on to uh

1157
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,000
ceremonial proclamations and

1158
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,319
presentations. Uh tonight we have a

1159
00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:58,079
presentation honoring Dr. Lawrence

1160
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,400
Antinucci, president and CEO of Lee

1161
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,359
Health upon his retirement. Deputy Mayor

1162
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:13,030
Burden handling this

1163
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,137
» microphone.

1164
00:47:18,147 --> 00:47:23,190
[laughter]

1165
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:33,030
sunlight. [laughter]

1166
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,119
» Okay, this is a certificate from the

1167
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,599
city of Bonita Springs in recognition

1168
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,760
presented to Dr. Lawrence Antinucci from

1169
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,920
Lee Health. Uh they reached out to us

1170
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,560
just a couple weeks ago and uh Chris

1171
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,200
Lopez, Mike Nf have been a great part of

1172
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,400
their team. and they're always keeping

1173
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,079
us in the loop on what's going on and

1174
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,920
sharing the good word about Lee Health.

1175
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,400
Um, as you move on to your next venture,

1176
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,760
we are very uh grateful for your

1177
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,040
contributions that you've given to

1178
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,720
Bonita Springs. So, let me give this a

1179
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,880
little read for you. In recognition of

1180
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,480
your distinguished career, come on up.

1181
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,240
In recognition of your distinguished

1182
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,720
career and enduring contributions to

1183
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,960
advocating health care excellence and

1184
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,880
enhancing the quality of life for the

1185
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,480
residents of Bonita Springs in Southwest

1186
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,480
Florida. As you embark upon a

1187
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,920
well-earned retirement, the city of

1188
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,400
Bonita Springs extend its gratitude and

1189
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,960
warmest wishes for a healthy, happy, and

1190
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,578
fulfilling new chapter.

1191
00:48:27,578 --> 00:48:36,738
[applause]

1192
00:48:36,748 --> 00:48:50,309
» [applause]

1193
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:56,388
» Thank you.

1194
00:48:56,398 --> 00:48:59,030
[clears throat and cough]

1195
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:59,760
» Thank you.

1196
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,440
Good night.

1197
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,319
>> Thank you.

1198
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:04,559
>> Where are you going?

1199
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:08,870
>> Not going anywhere.

1200
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,680
» Thank you for everything.

1201
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,240
>> Well,

1202
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,480
>> all right. Moving on to the consent

1203
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,760
agenda. Do we have a motion?

1204
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,599
>> Motion to consent agenda items.

1205
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:23,359
>> We have a motion.

1206
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:24,000
>> Second

1207
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,319
>> and a second.

1208
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:27,760
>> Council member Fitzpatrick.

1209
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,559
>> I.

1210
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,480
>> Council member Corey. Hi,

1211
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,839
>> Council Member Qu.

1212
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:32,640
>> Hi,

1213
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:33,440
>> Mayor Gibson.

1214
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,480
>> Hi,

1215
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,839
>> Council Member Bogaz.

1216
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:36,240
>> Hi,

1217
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,280
>> Deputy Mayor Purden.

1218
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,000
>> Hi,

1219
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,359
>> Council Member Full.

1220
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:43,349
>> Motion carries.

1221
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:45,359
» City attorney items.

1222
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,040
>> The only item I have for you this

1223
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,680
evening is a resolution terminating a

1224
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,359
development agreement um with the Bonita

1225
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:56,319
Beach Road Golf Community. Essentially,

1226
00:49:56,319 --> 00:49:58,800
once the project has reached its final

1227
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,880
conclusion, we're we have no more

1228
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,880
obligations. They have no obligations on

1229
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,480
the development agreement. And so,

1230
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,440
there's a request to close it out. Um

1231
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,400
staff and representative uh the

1232
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,480
community is here to answer any

1233
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,559
questions, but my understanding is that

1234
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,480
this will also allow them to finalize

1235
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,640
some of the amenity centers and other

1236
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,040
items in the community.

1237
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,760
Okay,

1238
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,119
we have a motion.

1239
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:26,240
>> Motion to approve.

1240
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:27,520
>> Second.

1241
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,359
Roll call.

1242
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:30,480
>> Deputy Mayor Purton.

1243
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,440
>> Hi.

1244
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,640
>> Council member Fullick.

1245
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,040
>> Hi.

1246
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,160
>> Council member Bogaz.

1247
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:34,720
>> Hi.

1248
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,000
>> Council member Corey.

1249
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:36,640
>> Hi.

1250
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,920
>> Council member Fitzpatrick.

1251
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,400
>> Hi.

1252
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,119
>> Mayor Gibson.

1253
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:39,760
>> Hi.

1254
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,720
>> Council member Carr.

1255
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:41,040
>> Hi.

1256
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,720
>> Motion carries.

1257
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,359
>> Right. Anything else, Jack?

1258
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:46,240
>> Nothing else.

1259
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,640
>> Thank you. City manager items.

1260
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,160
>> Thank you, mayor and council. time. Uh

1261
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,079
Laura Taylor is in the audience. Um

1262
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,599
we're going to bring forward to you an

1263
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:56,400
amendment um to the approve the

1264
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,640
restructuring of the design phase of the

1265
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,119
public safety facility. Uh we previously

1266
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,440
brought to you forward um an agreement

1267
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,720
on April 15th. Um the purpose of

1268
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,960
separating the two is to give us this

1269
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,599
would just be the design. Uh the amount

1270
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,839
also includes

1271
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:15,520
some previous design elements that were

1272
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,200
in the original quote as well. that is

1273
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,079
the 900 um $97,700.

1274
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,480
Um the purpose of this would allow us

1275
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,720
then to separate out the actual build

1276
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,040
and give us more time to hopefully

1277
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,680
achieve some outside funding sources. Um

1278
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,200
we wanted to follow the procurement

1279
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,760
policies of both federal and state uh

1280
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,079
processes. Uh the original look would

1281
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,079
have possibly been a little bit of a

1282
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:41,280
faster bill, but we're going to

1283
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,520
simultaneously keep this open, these

1284
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,920
options open so that we can um keep

1285
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,240
pursuing those outside funding sources.

1286
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,000
>> All right. Is there a motion?

1287
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,599
>> I say a motion to approve the

1288
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:54,880
restructure.

1289
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,000
>> Motion second.

1290
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:56,720
>> Second.

1291
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,200
>> Okay. Roll call.

1292
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,400
>> Council member Corey.

1293
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,119
>> Hi.

1294
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:02,319
>> Council member Carr.

1295
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:02,960
>> Hi.

1296
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,319
>> Council member Fitzpatrick.

1297
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,480
>> Hi. Council member Voguez. Hi.

1298
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,839
>> Deputy Mayor Purden. Hi.

1299
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:09,200
>> Mayor Gibson. Hi.

1300
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,760
>> Council member Full. Hi. Motion carries.

1301
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,119
>> And just to keep you all informed, we've

1302
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:14,640
continued our staff meetings and

1303
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,079
outreach meetings with our community

1304
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,440
partners. Um we've um had staff meetings

1305
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,359
with uh Tony staff as well who would be

1306
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:23,280
staffed in there and additionally Lee

1307
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,680
County Sheriff's Office um has been

1308
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,200
participating in those meetings as well.

1309
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,720
So we've continued the process moving

1310
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:31,760
forward. Um the next item we have is uh

1311
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,599
to approve the cost estimate and project

1312
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:35,520
agreement with FPNL for the

1313
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,599
undergrounding of power conversion

1314
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,240
project at Bonita Beach Road and 041. Uh

1315
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:41,359
Matt can give you a little bit more

1316
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:43,760
specifics. We did introduce this idea

1317
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,920
during the CIP and we were asked to

1318
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,359
start to pursue that project under our

1319
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:52,559
um beautifification and um placemaking

1320
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:54,880
and the funding is available currently.

1321
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,559
Um I think one of the reasons we would

1322
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,240
like to move forward now is because the

1323
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,559
process with FPNO previously has been um

1324
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:04,960
a longer process.

1325
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:05,520
>> Um

1326
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,559
>> it moves at a glacial pace. [laughter]

1327
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:09,920
>> So we're looking for your support to

1328
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,000
move this forward for the design and um

1329
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,760
if there's any questions on the project

1330
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,599
or giving that opportunity since we

1331
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,440
haven't brought any discussion forward

1332
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,200
since the CIP meeting on this.

1333
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:19,839
>> Nigel.

1334
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:21,280
>> Yeah, I don't want to be sarcastic.

1335
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,986
That's a serious question.

1336
00:53:22,986 --> 00:53:24,640
[clears throat] If they go forward with

1337
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,400
this, um, will there be any significant

1338
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,079
expenditures

1339
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,160
when we put in the pedestrian bridge

1340
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,240
over Bonita Beach Road? No. The the the

1341
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,319
short answer is this is is a really

1342
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:40,720
limited scope which is right at the

1343
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,160
intersection. Um, it it doesn't extend

1344
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,760
that far to the west.

1345
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,599
>> So, shouldn't be any surprises.

1346
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,440
>> No, there should be you you'd have the

1347
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,200
st same overhead lines that you have

1348
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,079
there today.

1349
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:53,440
>> Thanks, Matt.

1350
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,559
Motion to approve.

1351
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:55,599
>> Second.

1352
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:56,559
>> Motion. Jim.

1353
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,119
>> Yeah. Just one point. Did when I asked

1354
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,280
Arlene about this earlier, um there was

1355
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,040
also this would also facilitate the

1356
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,559
changing of the signals there. Is that

1357
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:05,359
correct?

1358
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:09,200
>> Uh it it really is inconsequential with

1359
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,040
the signals. Um you know, I think a

1360
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,960
future thing that we could coordinate

1361
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,280
with Lee County on as well is is

1362
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:15,599
changing.

1363
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,680
>> It's not part of it's strictly the

1364
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,359
bearing of the the the existing

1365
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:19,920
overhead.

1366
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,680
>> The current project is strictly bearing

1367
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,440
them. The goal would be to bring back a

1368
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,880
beautifification project which would

1369
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,200
hopefully cons consist of the mast arms

1370
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,359
which would be more hurricane sturdy as

1371
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:32,079
well as um more aesthetically.

1372
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,559
>> It'll give you the ability to do those

1373
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,880
things in phases. You could do the mast

1374
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,720
arms, you could do the the gateway

1375
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,599
feature. It gets the primary wire

1376
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,960
clutter from the FPNL. Ultimately, we

1377
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,480
will have to enter into agreements with

1378
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,319
whoever else is hanging on their poles.

1379
00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:51,040
It's usually not as significant. Uh, one

1380
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,200
thing to note which is pointed out here,

1381
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,599
we'll have to come back to you with when

1382
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:58,559
they get their design plans, we'll have

1383
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,839
to drill the conduits, which is fine. It

1384
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:03,520
actually probably speeds things along a

1385
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,800
little bit.

1386
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,240
>> It will cost us.

1387
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,319
>> Thank you for the clarification.

1388
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:09,599
>> You're welcome.

1389
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,359
>> There was a motion in a second.

1390
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:12,480
>> Mayor Gibson,

1391
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:12,960
>> I.

1392
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,240
>> Council member Bogaz.

1393
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:14,720
>> Hi.

1394
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,079
>> Council member Fitzpatrick.

1395
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:16,559
>> Hi.

1396
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:17,920
>> Council member Fick.

1397
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:18,319
>> Hi.

1398
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:19,680
>> Council member Carr. Hi,

1399
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,119
>> Deputy Mayor Purden.

1400
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:22,000
>> Hi,

1401
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,040
>> Council Member Corey.

1402
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,359
>> Hi.

1403
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:25,520
>> Motion carries.

1404
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:26,640
>> Anything else?

1405
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,160
>> The only thing that I wanted to share is

1406
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,200
we did receive a call from staff at um

1407
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,200
Congressman Donald's office about um

1408
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,880
providing some office space. I'm going

1409
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,200
to get more details on that, but um

1410
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,880
typically when it's intergovernmental,

1411
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,480
you've authorized staff to help and

1412
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,720
assist if they wanted to have office

1413
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:44,960
hours as such. We've done this for both

1414
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,119
state representatives and congressional.

1415
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:48,799
So, if you would like me to get more

1416
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:50,400
details, I would of course send that out

1417
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,079
to everyone first once we get

1418
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:53,760
finalization.

1419
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,119
>> Okay. Thank you.

1420
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:56,000
>> And that's it.

1421
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,839
>> Did they pay us?

1422
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:00,319
>> Typically, that's not

1423
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:00,960
>> That's curious.

1424
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,463
>> It's an intergovernmental courtesy.

1425
00:56:03,463 --> 00:56:05,280
[laughter]

1426
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,119
>> Uh, mayor and council member reports.

1427
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:08,319
Chris,

1428
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:10,160
>> I have nothing to

1429
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:10,720
>> Laura.

1430
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,640
>> Yeah, I'm good.

1431
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,359
>> Nigel, um, just a couple things. one

1432
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:17,040
last night. Actually, you were there

1433
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,839
too. Uh Mike, u our property appraiser

1434
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:23,680
Matt Cwell did an excellent job of u

1435
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,680
explaining to our downtown business

1436
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,599
alliance members what some of the

1437
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,640
ramifications could or could not be as

1438
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,200
far as amendment three, but he was also

1439
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,960
extremely complimentary and didn't have

1440
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,000
to be of the city of Bonita Springs and

1441
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,280
um how things are run here. um he made

1442
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,720
the comment that we're in much better

1443
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,880
shape than many other municipalities and

1444
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,760
counties. Um there's no TDC meeting in

1445
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,359
September. I said that the last meeting,

1446
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:51,839
so the next one will be in October. Um

1447
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:54,720
just a this is something the city is not

1448
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,200
paying for, but the Veterans Advisory

1449
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,559
Board uh started an initiative um almost

1450
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,200
a year ago and we want to have a Purple

1451
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,280
Heart memorial downtown in um

1452
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,960
most probably uh next to the LS Hotel

1453
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,760
and um it's going to be privately

1454
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,400
funded. So, I will just ask that uh

1455
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,880
anybody who works for a large company or an individual who feels so

1456
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,880
inclined um we've got a lot of funds to

1457
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,680
raise. Right now, we're at about 5,000

1458
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,040
which is about 10% of our goal. So, if

1459
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,720
there's somebody out there that wants to

1460
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,440
support um that initiative, uh the big

1461
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,920
question we get asked is will the

1462
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,319
sponsors or the contributor's name go on

1463
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,319
the memorial? The answer is no. But

1464
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:41,839
we're looking into an alternative of

1465
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:44,160
possibly doing bricks on the walkway.

1466
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,359
But it's going to be clean. It's going

1467
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:46,559
to be beautiful. And it's going to be

1468
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,000
appropriate. We have a number of Purple

1469
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,000
Heart recipients in our city and it

1470
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,760
would be good to honor them.

1471
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:52,960
>> Thank you.

1472
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,760
Jesse.

1473
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,000
>> Uh I don't have anything. Thank you.

1474
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:58,880
>> Come on.

1475
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,365
>> I think I think I spoke enough tonight.

1476
00:58:01,365 --> 00:58:03,119
[laughter]

1477
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,440
>> All in good fun.

1478
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,880
>> Tim, no items.

1479
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,920
Amy,

1480
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,640
>> um just one thing. Uh if you remember,

1481
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,160
we started the pilot program for the um

1482
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,520
it was beach or facility parking. Um and

1483
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,119
it was a good opportunity to see the

1484
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:26,319
interest in what our citizens um you

1485
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:28,880
know were wanting or you know would

1486
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,760
enjoy having an opportunity to have. And

1487
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,400
we did sell 37 passes which was a total

1488
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,359
of reimbursement of the city of $1850.

1489
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:39,680
So, it cost each one $10 and reimbursed

1490
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,240
them. Um, it showed that there is

1491
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,720
interest, but right now, seeing that a

1492
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,880
lot of the facilities, the bathrooms and

1493
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,240
such weren't open, um, I think we can,

1494
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,480
um, I want to see about closing it at

1495
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,720
this point as of September 30th, October

1496
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,280
1st. And um just waiting for updates

1497
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,839
since the beaches and facilities will be

1498
00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:02,480
closed or the bathrooms and the

1499
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,799
rebuilding the parking that we close it

1500
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:06,480
for the time being and waiting for

1501
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,000
updates from the county and um look at

1502
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,480
it as we receive updates to when we want

1503
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,880
to reopen that to our citizens of Indis.

1504
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,359
>> Question.

1505
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:19,440
>> So were the passes like one year from

1506
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,119
when you bought them or is it just like

1507
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:25,760
a calendar year? It was the for the year

1508
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,720
>> from when you bought it

1509
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,799
>> year for when you bought it.

1510
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:30,000
>> It was from the date of purchase.

1511
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:30,720
>> Purchase.

1512
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,319
>> Okay. Yeah. So, so it makes sense to

1513
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:33,760
hold off because they can't really use

1514
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,559
them right now. So,

1515
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:36,319
>> correct. So, at this point, I'd say to

1516
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:38,160
suspend the program until we get further

1517
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,440
updates from

1518
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,559
>> the county of our parking and bathroom

1519
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:44,720
situation and

1520
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,400
go from there with the program. I think

1521
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,920
there's interest, but I think at this

1522
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,760
time it's going to be difficult to

1523
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,119
pursue that at this point.

1524
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:56,559
>> That's good. Lori, you had a comment.

1525
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:58,480
>> Well, I was just wondering if we kept it

1526
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,400
open but said there's a highest until

1527
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,880
bathrooms are open and then those people

1528
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,040
automatically the passes are just

1529
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,920
cleared. So, the city can hold on to the

1530
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,839
money or not. I mean, $10 back and

1531
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:14,960
forth, you know.

1532
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,000
>> I mean, the

1533
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,839
$50.

1534
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:18,480
>> It's $50.

1535
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:19,280
>> $50 back.

1536
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,079
>> $10 for this.

1537
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,000
>> It's a reimbursement program. So, they

1538
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,880
have to buy the county pass first and um

1539
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,839
>> reimburse them for

1540
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:28,000
>> we reimburse them, but we're not sure as

1541
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,839
to the access availability for Fenitas

1542
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:34,319
at this point. But I think that when we

1543
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:36,480
get more updates, we could bring forward

1544
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,400
restarting it and then find the

1545
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,160
appropriate time to market it as well

1546
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,880
because we did a soft launch of it and

1547
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,640
um to start.

1548
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,160
>> I don't think staff wants to have to

1549
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,680
deal with people running back in with

1550
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,440
their passing. You never told us there

1551
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,040
were no bathrooms on the beach. I want

1552
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,559
my money back

1553
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,079
>> and no parking

1554
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:56,079
>> parking. [laughter]

1555
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:56,559
You had a

1556
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:57,280
>> daring season.

1557
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,920
>> Oh, I I'm sorry. It was I pressed. Um, I

1558
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,920
just wanted to also I forgot to remind

1559
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,079
everybody regarding the great Florida

1560
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,240
places that that does close at the end

1561
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,000
of the month. So, if they everyone could

1562
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,280
take their opportunity to vote, that

1563
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:09,920
would be great.

1564
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,240
>> And it's legal to say vote often.

1565
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,119
>> No, if you can you can try, but you

1566
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:15,680
can't.

1567
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,599
>> In the beginning, it was letting me vote

1568
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,559
for additional days, but now it's like I can't get back in anymore.

1569
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,160
>> If you have a phone and a laptop,

1570
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:23,280
>> well, yeah, you can do it from each

1571
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,280
thing. And so, whenever I visit

1572
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,480
somebody's house, I do it from their

1573
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,069
house. So,

1574
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:31,760
No, I won't be asking for that in the

1575
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,799
general election. I promise. [laughter]

1576
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:38,720
>> Um, all right. Uh, so my turn. The, uh,

1577
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,400
I just wanted to let everybody know that

1578
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,079
National Walk to School Day is coming up

1579
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,960
on October 7th. Um, I'll be joining

1580
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,040
Principal Hernandez of Bonita Elementary

1581
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,960
to walk with the students, uh, starting

1582
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,520
at 7:30 a.m., uh, they walk from the

1583
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,839
flea market on Bonita Beach Road to, uh,

1584
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:55,920
Bonita Springs Elementary. So, if

1585
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,160
anybody wanted to join me, it's uh

1586
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,359
usually fun to to walk with the kids. Um

1587
01:02:01,359 --> 01:02:03,359
meet at the uh I don't know if we meet

1588
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:05,440
at 7:30 or if we start walking at 7.

1589
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,880
Probably start walking at 7:30.

1590
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,640
>> We start walking at 7:30.

1591
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,440
>> So, be there a little early,

1592
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,280
>> a little bit earlier. And um Jane will

1593
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,960
be sending out reminders as well.

1594
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:13,280
>> Okay,

1595
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:13,760
>> perfect.

1596
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:14,480
>> Thank you.

1597
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,839
>> And it is fun.

1598
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:17,440
>> Yeah.

1599
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,680
Um and then I just also wanted to let

1600
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,119
you know how the DC trip went. Um it was

1601
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:24,319
a little different than what I was

1602
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:25,760
expecting because I really didn't know

1603
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,240
what to expect. Um but it was uh

1604
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,160
interesting. The meeting wasn't at the

1605
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,440
White House. It was just at the White

1606
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,880
House office building which is next

1607
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,440
door. Um but they had somebody from each

1608
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,280
department come and talk to us about

1609
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,119
what they do and what they can do to

1610
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,520
help the city and then said if we had

1611
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,520
any issues to reach out to them and they

1612
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,799
you know love to help us out with

1613
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:47,200
things. Uh, everybody mentioned uh

1614
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,480
different grants that were coming up,

1615
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,559
but almost all of them were like ending

1616
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,799
within days of that meeting. So, you

1617
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:54,799
know, but I'm pretty sure Ellie keeps up

1618
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:57,280
on all that anyway. So, any of those uh

1619
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,400
what we already knew about. Um, but it

1620
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,799
was u very very interesting and I was

1621
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:04,559
honored to go and and thank you so much

1622
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:07,280
for uh indulging.

1623
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,079
>> Well, I'm I'm ordering my 8 by10 photo

1624
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,079
view with both the president and the

1625
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:13,680
vice president over your left shoulder.

1626
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,119
It's heartwarming.

1627
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,559
>> So, um, and that's all I've got. So,

1628
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:21,440
public comment.

1629
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,599
>> We have one registered speaker, David

1630
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:30,069
Lux.

1631
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:31,839
» Good evening, council. Uh, David Lux,

1632
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:33,680
resident of Bonita Springs. I'm here to

1633
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,160
discuss uh signage at the Bonita Springs

1634
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,200
Dog Park and the Mayood Park playground

1635
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,079
entrance. Currently, there seems to be a

1636
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,319
uh inconsistency and lack of clarity on

1637
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:46,319
the posted park hours. The Bonita

1638
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:48,640
Springs Dog Park, there's a sign at the

1639
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,280
gate entrance that states 7 a.m. to

1640
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,760
dusk. However, there's no signage at the

1641
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,640
sidewalk entrance off of East Terry

1642
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,039
Street indicating the park's hours of

1643
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:01,760
operation. At the Mayood Park entrance

1644
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,280
located at the corner of Bonita Drive

1645
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,520
and Streetsboro Lane, the st the sign

1646
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,680
states, "Dawn to dusk." While these

1647
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:08,880
signs may seem straightforward

1648
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,799
individually, the differences in wording

1649
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:12,799
combined with the lack of signage at the

1650
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:15,520
East Terry sidewalk creates confusion

1651
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,480
for residents and visitors uh of when

1652
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,400
they're permitted to be on that park

1653
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,200
property. Uh my request to council is to

1654
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,200
provide clear and consistent information

1655
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,920
to residents and I respectfully ask that

1656
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,079
the city consider installing signage at

1657
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,280
the east terry entrance at the sidewalk

1658
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,640
uh that matches that same signage at the

1659
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,799
gate where cars would pull into the

1660
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:41,119
park. That way people on ebikes and

1661
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:43,520
pedestrians can clearly see the posted

1662
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,960
hours of that park. Um, consistent and

1663
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,720
clear posted hours at each entrance

1664
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,559
would help eliminate the confusion and

1665
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:51,839
provide residents with clear

1666
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:54,319
expectations so everyone can comply with

1667
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:56,880
city park regulations. Thank you.

1668
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:57,280
>> Thank you,

1669
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,359
>> David.

1670
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:03,670
>> Any other public comment?

1671
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,599
» All right, seeing none, motion to

1672
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,599
adjurnn.

1673
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:10,760
Thank you.