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[0:04] We'll start the meeting. We'll start the meeting. We'll start the meeting. We'll be in the borough chat in plain board for September 2nd.
[0:10] We'll pursue it through a farmer's deal from public meeting. Added with us that this meeting has been provided in published in the chat in courier on February 5th, 126.
[0:18] The office at which we're posted on the municipal policy board on the main floor of the municipal building in Palau, the commissioner borough secretary for secretary for a third on January 7th, 126.
[0:29] And that's a good goal of opening.
[0:33] Mayor Devesy.
[0:37] Here.
[0:40] Mathisen.
[0:52] Here.
[0:53] Mr. Zykes.
[0:55] Mr. Chairperson.
[0:57] Here.
[0:58] Mr. Keep.
[1:03] Mr. Robertson.
[1:08] Here.
[1:11] Sophie and Dr. Hall.
[1:13] Here.
[1:14] And we also have a committee.
[1:17] As our planner.
[1:18] Mr. Loughlin.
[1:19] As our attorney.
[1:20] And Mr. Bolder.
[1:21] Your all present.
[1:22] Thank you.
[1:23] At this time of his opportunity for public comment, for any member of the public, who wishes to make a comment on 90 that is not on tonight's agenda and now is our opportunity.
[1:35] Here in current, we will move on to adoption of minutes.
[1:38] We have minutes from the meeting of August 5th, 0.26, do I have a motion for those?
[1:45] How moved him?
[1:51] I moved him.
[1:52] Bruce.
[1:53] Second.
[1:55] Anyhow, is a favor?
[1:57] Right.
[2:00] In this meeting.
[2:03] Okay.
[2:03] Next up, we have two resolutions for approval.
[2:06] The first one is AJDN River Road.
[2:10] You all should have received a copy of this.
[2:13] That's exactly the same office.
[2:15] I think.
[2:16] There were several events.
[2:18] Nothing of substance as well as the board.
[2:21] We need to review any of the major issues of the approval that were received by the
[2:26] applicants attorney at our professionals, several of them were helpful corrections,
[2:30] several of those work without a good call additional details.
[2:34] So it's all in the approved by the Board of Professors.
[2:37] I mean, I think that's exactly how I recommend this to the Board.
[2:40] Thank you.
[2:42] Do I have a motion for resolution on application of 2601?
[2:55] So, did you call the one please?
[2:59] Do you want to?
[3:01] Yes.
[3:02] Yes.
[3:03] Mr. Dalton?
[3:04] Yes.
[3:05] Mr. Harris?
[3:07] I wasn't too for the final vote, so am I.
[3:09] I want to go.
[3:14] But you were here on the...
[3:20] Did you vote on the...
[3:21] They on the vote.
[3:23] I'll do that right now.
[3:24] Sorry.
[3:24] That's okay.
[3:26] This is the...
[3:27] This is the...
[3:28] The...
[3:29] Sorry.
[3:33] Mr. Zai?
[3:35] I'm going to say both.
[4:07] Yes.
[4:07] the speaker in my desk, I'll go with us, man can.
[4:13] Fire, next one is PB20602-548-Channel LLC-548-Wind Street.
[4:20] This is, I think, what's your forward line in the back of the ambulance?
[4:26] No, there were a series of conditions, I think we've done a long pretty well.
[4:30] We've been doing regular routine tests during the year, and it's a lot of shows in the
[4:34] different categories, well, as we can flex in the end, and have
[4:38] repeated reviews of resolution of the law and so I recommend that
[4:42] I want the two to the board as well.
[4:44] That's it.
[4:45] I'm a motion of the fourth, let's pass it on.
[4:47] I'll move that.
[4:50] Second.
[5:49] Okay, now we move to our remaining agenda item. This is returning the application, PB260423 South, the state, owner LLC, and 33 South, the state, owner LLC, several lots of times by the state.
[6:14] Board, I don't know if that's that, Jason's in too well,
[6:17] the attorney for the applicant has indicated that
[6:22] applicant was here at August.
[6:24] Before the board, we didn't have much time to
[6:26] present that evening when we went through our
[6:28] contextual testimony at that time.
[6:30] So just to kind of refresh everybody's memory,
[6:34] this is an application for preliminary
[6:35] final major site plan approval for a 29 unit
[6:39] residential building to be located at the property.
[6:42] It's a project that's within the first third round housing plan and part of the settlement agreement with the borough.
[6:50] The application is fully conforming with the redevelopment plan requirements with the exception of a design labor for lighting from the main design standards within the ordinance.
[7:02] So, like I said earlier, we got into architectural testimony at the last meeting, we concluded
[7:07] that.
[7:08] There were some comments and some feedback that we got from the board with respect to
[7:12] the architectural design.
[7:14] So, the goal this evening, I'm chair of the board, I'm going to call up our civil engineer
[7:20] to start, because we can do any side testimony at the last meeting.
[7:24] We'll go through the civil engineering, then we'll go to traffic, we'll talk about access,
[7:29] parking and no life. And then I will bring back the architect as there were, I would say,
[7:36] three modifications that we made and I think any of them are major, but they were important
[7:43] comments that the board had that we were responsive to, specifically regarding placing a terrorist
[7:48] on one of the affordable units. And just some other aesthetic features that the board felt,
[7:54] we shouldn't incorporate into the project. So we'll go over that and then
[7:58] final witness to be our professional planner, but you know about it later in the evening.
[8:04] I can say and I believe my colleague who presented it the first meeting probably
[8:08] indicated this, we can comply with all the comments, set forth in your board professional
[8:13] letters, we'll have our witnesses state that as well on the record. So with that, I would ask
[8:20] not to share with your permission if I could call our site in junior, Eric Duluth with
[8:26] We have not sworn or qualified him yet, so we should do that.
[8:32] I'm a sir, would you raise your idea so I could administer your growth?
[8:36] You swear that the testimony in any evidence for work,
[8:39] except you're offered to the board in this hearing would be the truth.
[8:41] And nothing but the truth is helping out.
[8:43] I did.
[8:44] For a record, would you please maybe share full name,
[8:46] spelling the last name, and your business affiliation in the address.
[8:50] Thank you.
[8:51] So Eric Bulu, B-A-L-L-O-U.
[8:55] I serve as a partner at Insight Engineering, which is at 1955, Route 34, and Wall of Nutrition.
[9:03] Thank you so.
[9:04] Thank you.
[9:05] All right.
[9:07] Council, you want me to just have Eric go through his qualifications for the board?
[9:10] I think so.
[9:11] And what she's familiar with, and what she's familiar with.
[9:13] Yeah, no.
[9:14] That's fine.
[9:14] I'll have you do it for the record.
[9:16] Eric, did you just give the board the benefit of your educational background?
[9:19] Licenses, how old and experience testifying as an expert in the state of New Jersey,
[9:23] course of oil and language support definitely. I have bachelor's degree for
[9:27] the University of Massachusetts. If I have lived in New Jersey longer than
[9:31] Massachusetts but that's where I started. I've done this over 30 years
[9:35] specializing in development and redevelopment projects across New Jersey. I
[9:40] haven't been had the pleasure of being qualified for this board. I have been
[9:45] qualified in adjacent towns, Morris town, East and over in Roxbury within the
[9:50] All right, and your license is current any good standing. That is correct. Okay, the board except Mr. Blue is an expert
[9:57] I'm safe that I'm just handsome gentlemen standing
[10:00] Next to me is just going to control the screen as an error test device, and that's okay.
[10:05] So, at the last time, at the last time,
[10:10] at the last time, there's a lot of discussion on the building.
[10:14] So, I'm going to provide what improvements are going to occur outside of the building.
[10:18] So, we'll sort of go by area, by area within the development. So, I know, when South of Saqab, our main frontage,
[10:25] We'll be replacing the curving.
[10:28] We'll be putting a six-foot-wide ADA compliant walkway
[10:32] between the walkway and the curving.
[10:35] We have street trees and ground conferred.
[10:38] As well as we'll be doing on that walkway,
[10:41] there was comments last time
[10:43] where regards to the garage opening onto the walkway
[10:47] on Suspice Acav that we will add
[10:50] detectable warning surfaces on both sides of the sidewalk
[10:55] We're opening a curse.
[10:57] I know that was the Scott's.
[10:58] We are agreeing to that.
[11:00] I'm sorry Mr. Ruff.
[11:01] I didn't get the last phrase about the surface.
[11:05] I don't know.
[11:06] Also, it'll be 80 days.
[11:08] Detectable warning surface.
[11:11] Warning.
[11:12] Thank you.
[11:13] Thank you.
[11:14] And then also a line of that.
[11:16] That sounds great.
[11:17] We'll also have lighting mounted to the building.
[11:20] for high to provide additional walkway lighting, as well, a long-south to say.
[11:26] When you walk further down south to say, to the northern end of that, that's where we have
[11:31] a park lab.
[11:33] So we have a 17 by 17 raised planner that's being proposed, approximately at sea height, so
[11:39] there'd be seating opportunities.
[11:42] That raised planter will have the same brick veneer matching up the building, and inside of
[11:47] large plants. There will also have ornamental trees and decorative planting. Around that we
[11:52] have the same pavers that you see in the parking lot today. They'll be paver material in that
[11:58] area creating a parklet at the end of the street there as anticipated within the zoning plant.
[12:06] And then we get to the northern side of the building. So this is where we're directly adjacent to the
[12:11] existing municipal lock.
[12:13] Same scenario, along that frontage that we have,
[12:17] the common area between our lock and there,
[12:19] again, we're replacing all of the curving,
[12:23] we're putting in six-volt white sidewalk.
[12:25] Again, there, we're gonna use pavers between the sidewalk
[12:28] and the curving, because that's what matches
[12:31] your design within the parking lot today.
[12:35] And then behind that, we still have opportunity
[12:37] for foundation plantings between the building
[12:40] and the sidewalk. Another improvement that we're going to be making along that edge is
[12:46] we're going to add two more lights, two more light fixtures along that edge. These light
[12:52] fixtures match the exact same fixtures that are within the parking lot. I think it's
[12:57] the chat I'm standard because we're also here at some admissible building. And just for
[13:01] the record to the exhibit or the plan that's on the screen was marked that the last
[13:06] meaning, I wanted to make sure there was the colored side line.
[13:11] Great.
[13:12] So when it comes to parking lot lighting,
[13:14] there's five different criteria to comply with for lighting.
[13:18] One of them is minimum light level, maximum to minimum light level,
[13:23] minimum to average light level, and maximum fixture height.
[13:27] So there's four criterias that we're fully compliant with.
[13:32] We are asking for a waiver to allow us to have
[13:36] average lighting level of 2.1 foot candles versus 1 foot candles. The reason why we don't
[13:45] meet that exact averaging, because we want to use the exact same fixture that's out there.
[13:49] We're looking very irregular if we've changed the fixtures. So we wanted to make sure that we had
[13:55] enough minimum lighting coverage as wide the average is slightly higher than prettier regulations.
[14:00] But overall, it'll look very similar to the lighting you have out there today.
[14:06] And the hours of those lights, since these lights will be part of the municipal lot system,
[14:12] the burrow will control those as they control all of the other lights,
[14:15] as far as when they're on and when they're off.
[14:19] As we go further down, we get to the loading area that was discussed at the last meeting.
[14:25] So, if there we had them in a joss mess, like the joss mess, the previous of the through
[14:30] burden counted United Way Project, there's three parking spaces, you can see three angled
[14:36] spaces adjacent to that loading area is.
[14:40] The original approval had those at 45 degrees.
[14:44] We've changed them to 60 degrees.
[14:46] We changed that angle to small slightly.
[14:48] reason we did that is if a vehicle was parked within that loading area that will allow cars to get in and out of those spaces without any conflicts
[15:00] So that's one of the adjustments we have for to create the loading area that was previously discussed.
[15:07] The great part about this project is that we talked about the street trees and the planting areas.
[15:14] So the overall result of that is that the project will actually decrease the overall impervious area by about 800 square feet.
[15:24] Further benefiting storm model will be right now, there's a lot of parking areas out there.
[15:30] So this considered motor vehicle surface, which is, in a sense, that simple turns
[15:34] is dirty and curvious.
[15:37] That we're actually decreasing by 19,000 square feet.
[15:41] Now, we're doing that is that, all of the parking for this project will be internal to
[15:46] the building.
[15:47] So a reduction of impervious, that will decrease runoff rates and flows.
[15:52] The decrease of motor vehicle surface will have a benefit for water quality from the project.
[16:00] Sanitary sewer, we did receive a will serve letter for the project, saying they can serve the project,
[16:06] and our connections will be made out to South Pacific Avenue.
[16:10] Similar, we also received a will serve letter for water.
[16:14] And again, those connections will also occur out to South Pacific Avenue within our frontage.
[16:22] And then as part of this project, of course we have to retain the boards of approval as one of the critical ones.
[16:29] But we also have outside agency approvals.
[16:32] So as part of this project we will obtain the Morris County Planning Board approval,
[16:37] which we have already received an exception for.
[16:40] So we have satisfied the county aspects.
[16:43] Then we have the Morris County soil conservation district.
[16:46] We submitted to them.
[16:48] They had a few comments, but I wanted to resolve any comments we have from the board at the
[16:52] same time at soil erosion, and it gets syrup and water permitting will also be required.
[16:58] As it's very clearly noted, our site is adjacent to the rail line, which is
[17:04] NJ Transit Property. So as part of this project, and as part of any projects that's directly adjacent
[17:11] to NJ Transit Property, we will have to obtain a temporary access permit to allow
[17:17] the construction methodologies adjacent to the train tracks. So that would be another approval,
[17:23] which is noted within the review ladder as well. So that gives you an understanding of
[17:28] other approvals besides the boards. All right, just just a couple of things, just a highlight
[17:33] before we conclude your direct. The lighting waiver is simply because we're using the
[17:38] part of this picture in the barrel parking lot. You know, seeing negative issues, it was a
[17:43] relates to that correct. We do not, especially since we meet four of the five criteria,
[17:46] I think the one criteria isn't as important as the other.
[17:49] So, okay.
[17:51] And the streetscape improvements that are required
[17:53] are way of the affordable housing agreement with the borough,
[17:57] where we need to include a minimum of 2,000 square feet,
[18:00] as well as certain features within those landscaping street trees,
[18:04] the park that we've complied with that correct.
[18:06] That's correct.
[18:08] And then all the zoning criteria,
[18:10] and I'll have the planar speed to this as well.
[18:12] But all of the bulk standards,
[18:14] standards as it relates to these, redevelopment plan, the applicant complies for the project
[18:18] complies. That's correct. And then you've had a chance to review Boswell's leather. I know we
[18:24] submitted a response letter to that. But can you just reiterate compliance with that letter, please?
[18:30] Yes. We were able to comply with the vast majority of all the comments already in our
[18:34] recent mission. And then the other comments are outstanding. We'll definitely be able to address
[18:39] that have inspired me of the resolution of compliance.
[18:42] Okay.
[18:45] I'm sure for this witness.
[18:48] Just to develop before you proceed further,
[18:50] is this generally going to cover the explanation
[18:52] through the board of what the details are for the encroachment
[18:55] on the barrel property?
[18:57] I understand that might be related to the certainly
[18:59] related to the board, it's not pretty too.
[19:01] Who's going to explain that encroachment,
[19:03] what's involved?
[19:04] What is it the engineer?
[19:05] What do you mean by encroachment?
[19:07] Just listen.
[19:07] Isn't there a sub-sort of encroachment
[19:09] or a drink with the barrel?
[19:10] And on barrel property?
[19:11] So, I mean, I can explain this, so the, the adjacent parcel, which is owned by the borough,
[19:20] the United Way has an approval to build on that site.
[19:24] Okay.
[19:25] We have a agreement with them to utilize the loading area.
[19:30] Okay.
[19:30] That's, that's on borough property now.
[19:32] It's going to be transferred to the United Way at some point,
[19:37] but it's borough property now.
[19:40] We have an agreement to use that word in space and we have to consent to do it and we have
[19:44] the borrowers consent as well to do it.
[19:46] So that's where the loading space is and that's where those three parking spaces are.
[19:51] In addition to that, scroll back up on the plane.
[19:55] The in our correct me from along the property line for the applicant. Okay
[20:00] Is right there. So as part of our settlement agreement with the virus, part of the negotiated housing settlement, we have to do street treat streetscape. That's what I was asking her before.
[20:12] We have a requirement to do a minimum of 2,000, but no more than 2,300 square feet of streetscape improvements there.
[20:18] that have to include and I can read you directly what it needs to include.
[20:23] Landscaping and street trees, hard scapes, sidewalk, lighting, benches, and approximately
[20:28] a 15 by 15 landscape parklet. So that is on the federal property and that is obviously
[20:35] negotiated and what the federal wanted as part of the agreement that we have with them.
[20:39] So that is pursuing to the terms of the settled exactly. I just think it's important to put
[20:43] that on the record and explain it through the boards and the board knows what that's all about
[20:47] I think you can see the best in front of any of the reviews I've seen, so I have a question.
[20:51] Yeah, the settlement agreement is, I think you guys have, or I can submit it if you don't have it.
[20:56] But yeah, that's where the encroachment onto the bottle property exists, and that's why I also adding that lighting fixture that we testified to
[21:03] comes into play because we had to add that lighting fixture, and we wanted it to be, um,
[21:08] because the exact fixture that the bottle uses, and that's why we had that slight design vapor.
[21:13] I think it's important to put down on the record, but I was quite confident that it was part of the
[21:18] settlement agreement, and the condition of the Board's Lewis, this project, for approval,
[21:23] that the terms of the settlement agreement, but for any amendments there, do it have to be comply.
[21:27] Of course.
[21:27] But I think it's important for the site of the presentation for the Board to understand exactly what that is.
[21:32] Yeah.
[21:33] That's right.
[21:34] And part of the settlement agreement, I'm glad you pointed up, was not only for the applicants
[21:38] to build the project, but also make these public improvements as part of the project as well.
[21:46] So all that being covered in the settlement agreement and the board is not pretty to that.
[21:50] And I'm not saying it's necessary.
[21:51] It's just important to lay that on the record.
[21:54] And then we can cover it appropriately in the research.
[21:56] Yeah, and we could also, I mean, if this is something the board would want.
[22:00] In our compliance document, we could just also indicate where we comply with the settlement agreement
[22:06] terms as it relates to the site of my items, just so you have it in your compliance set.
[22:11] Thank you.
[22:11] Thank you.
[22:13] Mr. Tuba, I had a question.
[22:14] Sure.
[22:15] Some process.
[22:18] The testimony was that those three angled spots that are technically part of the
[22:22] program Academy of Labor Project are now being tweaked slightly, which makes sense.
[22:27] Just want to make sure that we're not writing any of the issues with their group site plan,
[22:31] whether we have to do any kind of amendments or whatever.
[22:35] Yeah.
[22:36] application, the United Way and the Burrow can sense it to it.
[22:41] I went over that with the, at that point with the Burrow's affordable housing attorney.
[22:46] And we went through that.
[22:48] So we are demanding that site plan to answer your question.
[22:52] So that, that is part of it.
[22:57] But I know we are going to do a set plan.
[22:59] That there a lot was included in the application.
[23:01] In this set we can correct.
[23:03] Yeah, and the redevelopment plan.
[23:05] So there were two ordinances that were adopted as it relates to the housing settlement, so one relates to the proposed building and then the other related to the public property, the post office property, I'll call it, in order to ensure that we were allowed to have the loading on that site.
[23:25] So that's why there were two amendments to two different ordinances as part of the process.
[23:31] I can't do that, I can't say that all correctly.
[23:33] You had it right?
[23:35] It helped me follow.
[23:36] Yeah, no problem.
[23:37] No, I appreciate that.
[23:42] I sure release is another sliver of burrow property behind the building at the corner of the corner.
[23:48] The correct is that it's still burrow property, or is it going wrong?
[23:54] The burrow property in any way.
[24:01] Oh, that's not, I thought I saw it on the survey.
[24:02] But
[24:04] where is that drawing? Is that a link on the online content to the kitchen to find it?
[24:10] Is it able to?
[24:21] It's not as an exhibit at the last event.
[24:30] Question to on the white waiver.
[24:35] Do you have a sense of where the spillage is most significant?
[24:39] Just really at curiosity.
[24:41] So is that really so much of a spillage?
[24:43] It's the regards to the lighting intensity, the average of the lighting intensity.
[24:47] So it's not so it's the coverage, it's just that the averages are quite what the furrows requirement was for that one particular
[25:00] Can't the screening when the transformer, which is a very ocean of Holly, did you prepare plans to be planned?
[25:08] I did not, but the landscape, we have a landscape architect, my office that did prepare the plan.
[25:13] So I know that the direction was to screen it on, we have to keep one side open.
[25:19] But the direction was to screen it on three sides, but obviously we're open to suggestions on the plan species.
[25:27] Yeah, I don't like it as the weeds on Oregon, but I don't know if that particular species
[25:35] the quality has thorn assert, for at least, if it does, and that's not one that I would
[25:39] suggest being along the side of law for people who don't want to be in law theory.
[25:43] I agree, I don't believe it does, but we will ensure that it does.
[25:47] Yeah, just not so that we don't want there.
[25:51] Also, if there's a ball in it, shown in our ballers showing that areas where between the transporter
[25:56] and along the side of the building,
[25:58] would you speak to the purpose of that?
[26:00] Yeah, so I think we always place,
[26:02] it's really the results of the public utility companies
[26:05] that they always want to file their super-tech transformers
[26:08] in meters, so that's representative of the service utility
[26:12] requirements, that's why we do that.
[26:15] But along the building, part of it.
[26:18] Well, I defer to the end.
[26:20] So curious, we will agree to provide, I guess,
[26:24] followers as the necessary positive utility providers.
[26:29] So they feel that the ballard is not needed.
[26:33] We would be acceptable to not have them as well.
[26:37] Thank you.
[26:38] And then the last one, another is a lot of discussion
[26:42] last meeting on the architectural testimony
[26:44] regarding the solid that will face the burden kind of
[26:47] my way of project and something much
[26:50] of regulations, the pillars to sort of break that up
[26:52] in the garage level because you can't have windows, obviously.
[26:55] But it does appear that there is narrow landscape
[26:58] that you've been on for the United States property.
[27:02] What do you think possible to explore and support
[27:06] national bound now that we know what's happening in your
[27:08] law and what's happening on theirs?
[27:11] Sometimes landscaping in my further screen.
[27:14] That's the song?
[27:15] Yeah, so in the, we get into the details of the weeds.
[27:18] So right now the burden of county does have some shrubs
[27:21] align that edge, but we would agree to enhance those, to fill in more shrubs, align that
[27:27] common edge.
[27:28] I mean, it's a fairly narrow bed, but I think it's still, you can get something that
[27:32] has a little bit greater height, and that's if I have with that the side, so my help then.
[27:39] Thank you.
[27:39] I mean, if you were following the bird cutting in the waist, there was a dry,
[27:44] to the parking right of Birmingham in the right.
[27:49] That's correct.
[27:53] Yeah.
[27:53] I don't know if there's a building would be there anymore.
[27:55] Right.
[27:56] It's a totally different situation.
[27:59] I don't know if there's any ability to widen that landscape,
[28:02] strip along their length of the site that might be parking there
[28:05] and I don't really recall them.
[28:06] Yeah, we probably have to have side.
[28:07] We'd be encroaching onto their site.
[28:10] So we basically held the same edge of their approval.
[28:12] So we didn't propose any changes in the line that edge to respect that.
[28:18] Just make something to explore.
[28:20] Not trying to pose a crazy dirt.
[28:22] It does feel like an opportunity now that this is sort of getting filled in when we have grapes.
[28:27] I think.
[28:29] Okay.
[28:29] Thank you for that.
[28:36] Lights in Post Office Plaza are not currently working.
[28:43] There's an issue with Jersey Central Power and Light in the connection.
[28:46] So, I would recommend that Mr. Blue speak with our director, D.P.W. regarding the light
[28:57] which changed all the lights in the chat to LED.
[29:01] Sorry, you know, I don't know how that relates to, you know, your way of a request
[29:06] may or may not affect it.
[29:08] So, we did use an LED fixture for that.
[29:10] Okay.
[29:11] That same silent LED fixture file, I got a map.
[29:13] was not aware that the lights out there today were there some type of connection issue. There
[29:20] were working through a Jersey Central power in life. The other thing is we use photos cells
[29:27] on all of our lights so that that's what should probably be on. So it would be a true dust
[29:33] time, type of fetch, exactly, and also H2M, or you have reviewed the letter from H2M,
[29:44] the August 20th letter regarding water and sewer.
[29:48] Yes.
[29:48] Okay.
[29:49] So we'll address their comments as far as a wire and sewer can actually.
[29:55] To my knowledge, that's not a will-serve letter.
[29:58] I don't know that we've provided a will-serve.
[30:01] So we got a water letter from the Burrow Engineer, which is where we received it.
[30:06] Thank you.
[30:06] Not everybody's coffee.
[30:08] I love seeing that.
[30:10] Okay.
[30:10] Water letter from the state.
[30:23] But we definitely provide.
[30:29] Yeah.
[30:29] I've been in a question that's from more members for Mr. Blue and the Engineer.
[30:35] Any members of the public have a question for the engineer.
[30:44] A few questions.
[30:45] Just referencing the letter.
[30:48] The law is well-insured and they're doing 17, 12, 12, 16.
[31:03] There's some of the agreement does include the lighting,
[31:06] can't be all made for public law.
[31:09] Yes?
[31:11] That's good.
[31:13] Is there any concern with the location of food
[31:16] that is to, like, full-fictures,
[31:17] mean, it's implicit or curable?
[31:19] Distribibly, they may be set back,
[31:20] probably two and a half to the field up the curve,
[31:22] as well as eyeable of the strikes,
[31:24] so that they can protect it from legal monuments.
[31:28] So I think as long as we do the alignment, I feel comfortable with that.
[31:34] Because it's always the challenge was there, sort of a narrow area, and we felt there's probably most appropriate to have the burrow parking lights actually on the burrow property.
[31:44] So, it's something the Board may want to consider.
[31:50] It makes sense having the BIRL like some BIRL property,
[31:53] but it could be subject to being able to manage.
[31:56] We're just going to be something that the BIRL would have to maintain.
[31:59] Versus that they're set back further than it'd be on the private property.
[32:06] And then, you know, the question of who's going to maintain those,
[32:09] I guess, would have to be the second.
[32:12] It's the applicant.
[32:19] Oh, how does your case resolve it?
[32:20] Yeah.
[32:22] I'll say, because it's only a couple different locations, we could use wheel stops to make sure
[32:28] the vehicles don't encroach further into beyond the stalls, and there's a couple locations to let
[32:34] out a more protection that would be one option.
[32:45] So, right now, I don't show them on a pedestal, but we could elevate them on a concrete pedestal.
[33:02] It is correct, so we've, right, what's out there now, it's really not.
[33:06] There's not a continuous sidewalk and it's not ADA accessible, so you're right.
[33:09] This is a uniform walkway, which will be basically
[33:13] slightly above this six inch curve, the new
[33:21] curve.
[33:22] Yeah, that will not be the concept with our proposed
[33:25] at the all-level typical.
[33:29] So I'd say if you had room for the wheel stops,
[33:32] most of the many of you can pay the required parking away
[33:35] from that might be good approach.
[33:38] I have a question, but I didn't think that that's previously.
[33:42] May I have a minute?
[33:43] No, I'm not.
[33:45] I'm the last meeting you talked briefly about the issue of risk to kids coming up the
[33:53] sake towards the store area and just wondering if the ADA client, treatment that you're
[34:01] going to respond to earlier or any other accommodation that's going to kind of address
[34:06] that exposure gives up by filling up, that's pretty potentially
[34:11] conflicting with course, you know, they understand.
[34:14] So we do have a traffic engineer that's going to be next.
[34:17] I can address that, but there's more measures than just the
[34:21] detectable warnings, which also an indicator system that the traffic engineer
[34:25] can tell us about.
[34:26] So it's two different types of protection levels.
[34:31] So I'm a member of the public has a question.
[34:33] Please come up and say something.
[34:34] The name is carried, or if you can come to the mic,
[34:36] we need it for the recording.
[34:40] David, I address this as well.
[34:44] The name is Karen Borough 49.
[34:46] You said that.
[34:47] Fuller Avenue.
[34:50] This property.
[34:50] Could you please tell me a little more?
[34:52] Sure.
[34:52] Bees and Boy.
[34:53] O-R-O-F-F.
[34:55] Thank you.
[34:57] Since this property is in historic district.
[35:00] You know, three of the members of the Historic Preservation Committee are here tonight. We just want to be sure that this body gives due regard to the considerations and recommendations that were made, including landscape being ambient, lighting, and several other things. Just want to make sure that that is least considered as you go forward with this plan.
[35:22] Thank you.
[35:22] Thank you for that.
[35:24] Mr. Book, can you speak to how you respond to the HVC's letter?
[35:28] Yeah, I believe with those issues.
[35:30] Right, right.
[35:30] So I guess, like, say, the light?
[35:32] It's the architecture.
[35:33] So the light fixtures are compatible to the building architecture,
[35:36] so they blend with all of the same palette there.
[35:39] And then the landscaping, you know, we're using native species
[35:42] and things of that nature.
[35:44] So I feel that we're compliant with what they're requesting.
[35:57] Our next.
[35:58] Not actually.
[35:58] I'm sorry.
[36:04] So one of the things to do
[36:05] is your realignment of the curve in the BCUW plan to make sure that you let up with that
[36:14] a lot of five curve without the curve being in one. And here's showing that was I think
[36:21] five others. That being able to five others. But that actually shows us an E and
[36:29] on their plans, have he court-related with the 21 and the engineer for the 21 plans or?
[36:37] So we do have their plans, and that should have been, well, B&L if I asked to correct, because
[36:42] that was one of the comments that was supposed to be addressed within the review letter.
[36:47] So we're going to do the B&L as part of this project, and of course the review letter.
[36:54] That was the intention.
[36:55] And you're also modifying this mechanism as per changes as well.
[37:00] Yes, correct.
[37:01] Because right due to the changes of the angle of the stalls,
[37:04] then we have, I will say this and if they go first,
[37:10] we probably will coordinate with them to make the changes.
[37:15] Because then they would have the spaces, I don't know
[37:18] much about timing, they may need those three spaces before we get
[37:23] to build those curve violence.
[37:25] So we would coordinate with that, the bell for it
[37:28] to make the slight changes as needed.
[37:32] So one of the questions is for you
[37:33] is if you're doing the applicant is doing all
[37:36] site improvements is a site plan as far as for that.
[37:40] Yeah, we said that earlier, but we're
[37:43] mentioning that site, we're mentioning their plan
[37:46] for the loading area and the parking
[37:48] that we were proposed at the park and entering.
[37:54] And it's my point with the coordination
[37:56] is we don't want them to put in their island's wrong, then I have us rip them out and redo them.
[38:02] So that's why we want to coordinate to get it done once.
[38:04] Yeah, let's say.
[38:09] Well, I don't know if it's you or the traffic engineer, but I was thinking about facing current
[38:15] constructions.
[38:16] You can show them randomly obstruct the existing sidewalk on top of the state and there's
[38:20] not a sidewalk on the other side.
[38:22] So is there, like, a phasing plan that could, we could, we could, we could, we could do as a
[38:27] of approval. This happens a lot. I think we could do a phasing plan
[38:31] and coordinate it with your police department and the administrator
[38:34] just to make sure that you're saying that there's access in those areas.
[38:40] So, yeah, I think that's a good idea to do a traffic control plan as a condition
[38:43] ever for a moment.
[38:44] Thank you.
[38:46] Now, with respect to the lighting, you've been given the waiver for the
[38:50] like trespass. I believe testimony, the last meeting was there going to be some
[38:53] I'd like to honor them with the building, which I've also required
[38:57] a way of under 165-78 if you want to see, just because, you know,
[39:05] the lighting is being directed about the heart now.
[39:09] So just good.
[39:12] Yeah, I was, at back end, let me have the architect address that,
[39:15] because I think that was his testimony, I think his testimony was a way
[39:19] that was not required, but he's coming back so I can have him
[39:22] Do
[39:29] you think else the engineers?
[39:31] I just have a question.
[39:33] I'm sorry.
[39:34] I'm sorry.
[39:35] The H2M letter.
[39:37] So my understanding that you agreed to address the business.
[39:42] That you agreed to comply with their request.
[39:45] So we agree from the connection points and things of that nature.
[39:49] We fully agree.
[39:50] The one thing that was emitted from that letter is that there was no credit given for the existing development on the property.
[39:57] So one thing we are definitely going to discuss with...
[40:00] And that was getting credit from a connection fee stand point for the existing development. But as far as the technical connections were all good, the connection fees is where we're going to have another discussion with them.
[40:37] You know, you have to wait for the gate, but you have a physical stop sign on all of this space in the back of the sky.
[40:42] I think we, I mean, the police department commented that they didn't have any recognition with it, but if the board feels, if that's an extra layer of protection,
[40:49] I don't think we would have an issue with it at all.
[40:53] So, it's interesting.
[40:59] Okay, so we're going to take a look.
[41:01] The next one, this is our traffic engineering.
[41:03] It's a clinic with Dolmethin V. So he has not the so often testified yet, so we do the swear
[41:12] command and call for it.
[41:14] Thank you, Councillor.
[41:16] You ready, sir?
[41:17] I'm ready.
[41:18] Do you swear that the testimony in any evidence or exhibit you offer?
[41:22] I testify two before the planning board that the testimony reports will be the truth,
[41:26] and nothing but the truth itself.
[41:28] I do.
[41:29] For the record, would you give us your full name?
[41:31] having the last name, your business affiliation and address.
[41:35] Sure, my name is Douglas Polineak,
[41:37] P. is in Peter, O. L. Y. N. I. A. K.
[41:41] I'm a senior project engineer with Dolan and Dean Consulting
[41:43] Engineers located at 181 West High Street in Summerville,
[41:47] New Jersey.
[41:48] Thank you.
[41:49] All right, does that like the previous one?
[41:51] This, if you give the board the benefit of your credentials,
[41:53] education, background, licenses, health, and experience
[41:56] testifying as a traffic engineer in the state of New Jersey?
[41:59] Absolutely.
[42:00] I have a Bachelor's of Science in Civil Engineering from Lee High University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
[42:06] I acquired that degree in 1998.
[42:08] I've been working to field of traffic engineering since that time.
[42:11] I'm a licensed engineer in the State of New Jersey. My license is current invalid.
[42:15] I've been licensed for approximately the last 22 years.
[42:19] I've testified for over 120 municipal planning and zoning boards within the State of New Jersey.
[42:24] And I was recently here for the A.J.D.M. application on Riverview.
[42:28] I have a report except Mr. Funnier.
[42:31] I have a report.
[42:32] Thanks.
[42:32] Thank you.
[42:34] All right.
[42:35] So Doug, your office prepared a traffic impact statement as a release to this project?
[42:39] Yes.
[42:40] All right.
[42:40] So if you could walk the board through your findings as it relates to the trip generation and parking,
[42:45] and you've heard some of the comments from some of the board members as it relates to the exit,
[42:49] and I'm sure any of you could address those as well.
[42:52] I mean, from a traffic impact, an engineer perspective, a redevelopment for 29 residential units
[42:58] is a very light case when it applies to your trip generation during the peak hours in
[43:04] bound and outbound movements.
[43:06] In fact, with the site being occupied previously by a Delhi and a liquor store and an
[43:10] auto body facility, this development gives an opportunity for the actual chance to reduce
[43:15] peak hour traffic associated with this lot, but these two lots.
[43:18] So, to review the potential traffic impacts of this site, and it's anticipated peak hour
[43:23] trip generation, our office prepared our March 16th, 2026 traffic impact assessment.
[43:31] Within that report, we use the Institute of Transportation Engineers' 12th edition of
[43:37] the trip generation manual to estimate peak hour traffic.
[43:41] without just, so we encourage it for the record,
[43:43] I believe it's dated April 16th.
[43:46] Well, you're absolutely correct.
[43:47] I have a question.
[43:47] Okay, this one I've never, it was clear.
[43:49] 100% right, that's April 16th report.
[43:52] Yeah, thank you.
[43:54] So we used the trip generation manual prepared
[43:56] by the institution, it's the two to transportation engineers.
[43:59] We used multifamily housing low rise
[44:01] without consideration of rail access,
[44:05] which allows for a conservative analysis
[44:06] because the rail line in their station is
[44:09] approximately a third of my walk possibly even less from this development.
[44:14] So when you run those numbers for 29 units, you find that during those peak hours,
[44:20] the maximum inbound app on trips is about 15 trips.
[44:24] So like say, in the evening, which is our busy peak hour, you have nine entering vehicles
[44:27] and six exiting during that hour.
[44:31] Those are very low volumes for development.
[44:34] They equate to one movement into or out of this building, the parking lot.
[44:39] a parking garage every four minutes during that hour, which is negligible from an impact
[44:43] perspective.
[44:45] But in addition to that, the Institute of Transportation Engineers and the New Jersey Department
[44:49] of Transportation Consider 100 peak hour trips as significant need of an analysis that could
[44:56] determine if there's any off-site impacts with development.
[45:00] The site is going to generate about 15% of that volume, which basically demonstrates its minimal anticipated impact at the surrounding roadway network.
[45:08] Now, that doesn't even consider the fact that the subject property is currently occupied by a couple of commercial uses, Delhi and the liquor store.
[45:17] So we did a quick analysis to determine what your generation potential those uses have on the site and compare it to which is proposed.
[45:24] So, performing that analysis, we found that this site actually, with 29 apartments, good potentially do,
[45:30] somewhere along the lines of 20 to 30 peak hour trips less than what the trip generation
[45:35] potential is for the uses on site.
[45:37] So, as I stated earlier, the development presents a unique opportunity to reduce traffic associated with this property.
[45:44] It shouldn't have, or will not have any newer adverse negative impacts to the surrounding roadway network.
[45:50] Also, as part of our report, we reviewed the site plan for the access, circulation and
[45:57] parking, as you heard from previous testimony,
[46:03] the access will be primarily provided via
[46:05] a new inbound and outbound driveway, which will have garage doors that will be replacing
[46:12] in a solo or single vehicle access to the auto facility, which promotes or requires inbound
[46:20] an outbound vehicles, a reverse maneuver, and also the driveway in between the two buildings
[46:27] that's currently in egress on the drive, it will be replaced as well.
[46:30] The access will lead to the parking garage, which provides 56 parking spaces.
[46:35] Those spaces will be accessed via 24 foot wide, two way drive aisles, and the spaces will
[46:41] dimension 9 feet wide by 18 feet deep, and all those dimensions are consistent with
[46:45] industry standards and RSI of standards. As far as parking supply, the
[46:50] ordinance requires one and a half parking spaces per unit, which total is 44
[46:54] spaces. For the 29 units at that rate, we are at 56 parking spaces, which is about
[47:01] 1.9 per unit, which exceeds the ordinance. So based on the ordinance and based on
[47:07] proximity to the train station as well as busing opportunity in the area.
[47:15] Since history there's more than sufficient parking associated with this project for residents as well as visitors.
[47:22] With respect to the driveway, there's been some discussions regarding safety, pedestrians and through a comedy that
[47:30] to assist along with how you heard Mr. Blue had said that along the sidewalk, the applicant
[47:36] is agreed to put the detectable warning surfaces. Those are those truncated textured
[47:40] pavement, which will notify pedestrians tactically, tactically, tactily. See that, that
[47:49] there is a change in atmosphere. There's a driveway or a roadway. It'll also help with those
[47:56] If they have a visual assistance, in addition to that, a light identification will be mounted
[48:05] to the building.
[48:06] It will be actuated and it will be triggered by the garage or the car exiting the site.
[48:13] It will basically indicate to the pedestrians on mistake that a vehicle will be exiting from
[48:19] the garage.
[48:20] So, those two items are proposed as well as a redesign to recess the garage as well to provide some additional
[48:27] sight lines for drivers and pedestrians and we're agreeable all such providing stop sign and stop bars was just mentioned so.
[48:37] I think all accommodations have been made to ensure that, you know, there's an element of pedestrian safety and
[48:43] notification that there is a driveway and traffic activity at this location.
[48:48] And to me, I think it's actually, overall could be potentially an improved situation
[48:51] because we are removing the driveway that's associated with that autophacility and the
[48:58] egress driveway.
[48:59] That doesn't have any of the elements that we're proposing here with the lighting indication.
[49:05] So overall, I think the site has been designed, certainly internally, with respect to
[49:10] parking, quantity, dimensions, drive-out dimensions,
[49:15] with respect to traffic impact and volume,
[49:19] and with respect to the treatments that are being taken
[49:22] to assist with pedestrian vehicle,
[49:26] I was a conflict,
[49:29] but you know, Inter, thank you.
[49:31] That's exactly the word I was looking for.
[49:33] I think this site has been designed well,
[49:35] and I think the location is appropriate for this site.
[49:38] that thanks to just two follow-ups, the parking spaces. We obviously comply with the ordinance as
[49:44] really it's the number of spaces, but you have the opportunity to review the dimensions and the
[49:49] aisle widths in the parking areas in your professional opinion. Are they designed properly?
[49:54] Absolutely, yes. Okay. We also comply with the number of EV, as well as EVA parking space.
[50:00] Yes, the plan has been revised to provide the sufficient number of EV spaces at 7, and there's say 1 EV 80 spaces as well.
[50:08] Okay. All right. Thank you.
[50:17] It is my understanding that they will be assigned for you, it's yes.
[50:21] I think the testimony last time was that because there's an excess parking in the anticipation that there would be visitor parking available.
[50:29] So, and that would be based on coordination with the management,
[50:33] against an advance they can pass or something.
[50:36] Would they just park wherever there's an available spot?
[50:40] I mean, sorry.
[50:41] I think what would make the most sense,
[50:44] would it lead a science basis to the obviously the people that are live in the building?
[50:50] And then you would assign the rest of the spaces as visitor spaces,
[50:53] so people know where to park.
[50:54] So to your point, people aren't just driving in.
[50:56] when they're aware of the visitor space as you have, you know, if it's more, it's organized
[51:00] in a way where you have people that live there, they know where they are, and then you have
[51:04] a visitor section, I think. Yeah, I thought you would be fine with that, that's what the board
[51:08] prefers. I think so. Thank you. Sure.
[51:12] I think these spaces, these are, as I understand, six spaces where they're located on,
[51:17] I guess, the South wall, I guess, the train track wall, closest to the entrance to the garage,
[51:21] the correct? Yeah, I believe so, yes.
[51:23] And the fire departments are using this, I know that generally they like them to be as close
[51:36] I don't believe, and just let me know. I don't believe in it. I see the police, and I know I was going to see if I see a fire letter alone, sorry.
[51:48] Yeah, between the police and the fire.
[51:50] They're located where they should be.
[51:52] Yes.
[51:53] This is the bottom line.
[51:55] Last one.
[51:56] Question about the ADA spaces.
[51:59] There's one that's located what looks to be, because we move in.
[52:04] I guess that is an elevator for people moving in.
[52:08] And it's right at the head of the ADA space.
[52:10] And it's for the ADA space.
[52:11] Yeah, I think that's a city elevator, correct.
[52:13] Do you see any interesting issues with their gang instructions?
[52:17] It's not ADA space, what we're working on, and have things, which is their potential to
[52:25] designate a place while you're moving in to have your stuff, basically, so you're not
[52:29] constructing an ADA spot.
[52:32] Well, that is the path that is used from loading if there's a large vehicle to move stuff
[52:37] into the building.
[52:39] I don't necessarily see a very often conflict of an ADA part space in a moving.
[52:46] So I don't know if that necessarily is something that needs to be a comedy.
[53:02] This was the original before we saw that change of the...
[53:06] I don't know how to describe it.
[53:08] But it looks to me if I'm really describing the trucks comedy.
[53:13] This way and they pass in front of the building.
[53:16] They come up by the post of the name reverse into this loading space.
[53:19] Correct.
[53:19] And then they go out the other way.
[53:21] That's correct.
[53:21] Is there any issue now with this change of the angles of those three spaces?
[53:28] and that extend it, and sort of all, they're still enough room for the trucks to come in and come back.
[53:36] Yeah, I actually think I would testify that to your question, I was actually, we did not to improve that.
[53:41] Right.
[53:42] So this, which looks quite tight now, is alleviated by the change in that.
[53:47] The angle of the partners' basis were changed to keep people backing up away from the loading.
[53:53] Yeah.
[53:53] To give it more breathing onto your point.
[53:56] So they're going to come in one way.
[53:59] Yeah, those are what?
[54:00] Be back in and then they swing out and go around.
[54:04] That's right, this one.
[54:07] I want to take a question.
[54:08] Thank you, sir.
[54:09] But I had, because I spoiled the word.
[54:12] I used this all the time to cut through in the way.
[54:15] Main Street.
[54:16] I don't know why.
[54:16] I think you asked for a second.
[54:17] I think you asked for a second.
[54:18] I think you asked for a second.
[54:18] You asked for a second.
[54:18] Did you see any issue with the other of the garbage
[54:22] of the box truck, making the turn sort of around the post office building and out of
[54:29] ours way.
[54:30] It's a little tight as you should make that little as turn.
[54:34] It's not shown, it's not shown as a movement when we start the election plan.
[54:38] But it would be basically like you keep going and pulling it to the north.
[54:42] To the north.
[54:43] To the east.
[54:43] It goes this way all the time.
[54:46] So.
[54:49] To the right.
[54:50] To the right.
[54:51] So.
[54:52] Yeah.
[54:52] That may be a difficult turn if it could be the truck is staged and it's spot to make that right turn.
[55:01] Well, I was thinking more about the event. For example, a garbage truck is serving hours lane, and they might, I don't know if they would come in off hours lane for mainstream, if you would do that. So you would probably come through the parking lot, continue past this building, keep going into hours lane, it's a slight term. Is there any issue you foresee with a large truck making that maneuver? Do you understand what I'm saying?
[55:25] I mean, I mean, you're coming from Pasek.
[55:29] Coming this way?
[55:30] Like, into the parking lot from the north of Pasek.
[55:33] Yep.
[55:34] And the truck would continue past your building, past the loading area.
[55:37] So we're turning around around the Northern County Highway Project
[55:41] to Bauer's Lane.
[55:42] Is that an issue?
[55:44] Making that little slight turn?
[55:46] I don't think so.
[55:48] This is sort of a pinch point,
[55:50] but you still have about 20 feet, I think?
[55:51] Yeah, I think as long as there's no obstructions
[55:54] if there wasn't a truck in the loading zone,
[55:56] I think it certainly could be doable.
[55:58] Just a question.
[55:59] Is the current drive being relocated
[56:02] on the south side of the post office?
[56:05] No, I don't think so.
[56:07] So there's more things now in the course.
[56:09] Yeah, this, but I mean, trucks go through there,
[56:12] go through there all the time.
[56:14] Sounds of different track and trail of people.
[56:17] Yeah, too.
[56:18] The hardware stores, the factors.
[56:20] OK.
[56:22] Thank you.
[56:25] Anybody else?
[56:26] And the board for the question,
[56:30] any members of the public have questions on traffic parking?
[56:45] The name is Maurice Gatley, GAT, E.L.Y. I reside at 45th South Pacific Avenue. I've resided there for 20 years.
[56:54] I'm still concerned about the traffic on South Pacific.
[56:57] Rush down, even though you say one every few four minutes in South Pacific's only two blocks long,
[57:04] The only way you get out of South Pacific is you got to go on tour across Main Street.
[57:09] There's a very long traffic light there, which is, there's a really set.
[57:13] So you keep the heavy east west traffic going and not doing so.
[57:16] I have to swear to you because you're making a statement.
[57:20] We may have to address that in a minute.
[57:22] Okay. This is the part of the meeting to talk about questions.
[57:25] But you're, I assume you could ask a question, this gentleman.
[57:27] This is the applicant's traffic expert, not in the address in the board, because that's where we are at the meeting.
[57:32] So you're making a statement and nothing critical about what you believe to be the conditions that is going to be on the road
[57:39] You swear that the testimony you're providing this hearing is the truth and nothing but the chase help you got it
[57:44] I certainly do that is
[57:46] And the other way to get out is to go on the fair mouth avenue either by a second street or by a
[57:54] Firehouse Plaza, which is also pretty heavily perfect during the rush hour
[57:58] So if you consider all of those things that you're really not expecting any backouts in traffic,
[58:03] I'm sorry I can't have a dude doing much of it.
[58:10] Yeah, sure.
[58:12] I mean, that's what we consider when we reviewed our trip numbers as part of our statement.
[58:18] And if this were a vacant property, we'd be generating a handful of trips more than what is there
[58:24] over a vacant property.
[58:25] However, it is an active site, which does he traffic similar to if not more so than what we're
[58:31] opposing, but even a war in an active site, it's a very low volume, and I wouldn't anticipate
[58:37] they're being any noticeable impacts at the light of Maine, or, you know, come here, towards
[58:43] Firmham.
[58:44] It's actually likely that the park is a choice you want to improve in this lot, and not the
[58:48] downed air to it.
[58:50] Yeah, absolutely.
[58:50] You're not going to have a retail component that's, you know, in and out.
[58:53] It's more of a consistent one-way flow during the mornings and evenings.
[58:58] Anybody else from the public, question for the traffic?
[59:07] Next witness, I would like to recall Mr. Lawson.
[59:10] So he was previously sworn and accepted by the board,
[59:13] as the expert in the field of architecture.
[59:15] And Mr. Lawson has already come back to just explain some of the modifications
[59:19] that were proposing based on some of the comments that the board made that go last me.
[59:25] So, Michael, you, sir.
[59:27] So you recognize you remain under oath to suit me.
[59:29] I do.
[59:29] with record just if you're thinking your full name and your affiliation with the project.
[59:35] I might go loss in and I am a principal at the home hospital, I get some players and I was
[59:39] the project architect for this project.
[59:41] Thank you. It's really nice and it's still good for my small.
[59:44] It is.
[59:46] So thank you so much. We have three sheets of exhibit that I'd like to enter into the record.
[59:57] Yeah, so we're up to, yeah, but we're up to A6, I believe.
[1:00:01] So, if you want to do it all at one point. Yeah. So, if it's okay, we can call A6, consistent with three sheets and just indicate the date.
[1:00:08] Yeah, the date is obviously.
[1:00:11] Thank you.
[1:00:11] Thank you.
[1:00:14] Those sheets are labeled A03, A08, and A12.
[1:00:25] Three is a revision to the second floor plan.
[1:00:29] And the notation that is the revision is we did add a private small private terrace located right here for the two
[1:00:36] reportable unit in this location. It is set back from the railroad property line as well as in this location.
[1:00:45] It feels so it's appropriate and scaled appropriately for the two better reportable unit.
[1:00:49] So we did make that modification at the request of the board.
[1:00:54] The next item I'm going to move to AO8, which was a further discussion that we had about
[1:01:01] the railroad building side elevation, and if remember and recall before, we had had one
[1:01:10] consistent color of lap sighting along the existing train track area in the embankment.
[1:01:17] What we have done now is we've broken that space up into three sections, a lighter section,
[1:01:23] a darker section, and a lighter section, as well as based on comments from the boards.
[1:01:29] We have added areas of light colored lab sighting to indicate if a window could be there, it would be there to break down that massing a little bit more.
[1:01:39] I will remind the board based on the testimony before that there are some trees and vegetation that is located there.
[1:01:46] The advancement as well comes up to this existing tree track line that we've noted on the plans.
[1:01:52] So we do feel as though we've met the intentions that we talked about previously at the last
[1:01:58] here.
[1:02:01] And then the last item that I wanted to present tonight is H12.
[1:02:06] And here is a modified perspective that shows that we have extended the Eaves.
[1:02:12] That was a comment from the HPC about extending those Eaves at the top of the building.
[1:02:19] That's located right here in these different areas where we do have the standing seam
[1:02:25] bell of Ruth and in that location we've extended the ease.
[1:02:29] Originally they were between two and four inches.
[1:02:32] I agree.
[1:02:32] They were not consistent with some of the other locations throughout the downtown.
[1:02:39] Now we've increased those to eight to 12 inches, which we think is more representative of
[1:02:44] some of the other areas of your downtown area.
[1:02:46] So, those are the different items that we had in terms of the free pieces that we talked about at the last hearing.
[1:02:55] And I believe just to remind the board in terms of the HPC letter, the request was to extend those roof leaves to 8 to 12 inches that we are doing.
[1:03:07] And we did include exterior lighting now on the building.
[1:03:10] To answer the question that was brought up by Mr. Bolio, we are adding lighting to the building.
[1:03:20] We added a few different petit lights on the ground floor, as well as we did add up lighting at the corner.
[1:03:27] But that up lighting to be consistent with your ordinance is actually shot towards the front peer and does not extend past that horizontal data at the top of the building.
[1:03:36] So, we do believe that we're meeting the intent of the zoning coordinates by not shining the light directly up towards the sky,
[1:03:45] but positioning them to the date, shining towards the building, and don't go past that horizontal data,
[1:03:51] which actually helps us with the extended Eve at the top of the building.
[1:03:56] I believe that covers most of the items that I wanted to bring up tonight.
[1:04:01] I'll just find it, Mr. Washington, to go over those minor modifications, doesn't it?
[1:04:05] I just have a quick question looking at that, maybe question, this is a question being used.
[1:04:11] The borough currently has public parking spacing along that side on the weather building.
[1:04:17] As you can in this picture, you can see two cars going off the side.
[1:04:22] But those public parking spaces are going to stay now.
[1:04:26] for that help, Mr. Gayden is concerned about traffic and stuff coming down here, people
[1:04:33] being able to see the difference. If there was no parking on that side, so there was much
[1:04:39] more obvious, because coming in and out of the garage.
[1:04:43] Yeah, I mean, I believe that those experiences, so to answer your question, we were, that's
[1:04:52] in the public right of us, so we can't eliminate, we have no rights or eliminate those spaces.
[1:04:55] Yeah, that's what it's like.
[1:04:56] But it's right, so you're right.
[1:04:57] So it would really get covered in body decision.
[1:05:00] If they felt that those spaces needed to be removed. I would also say in terms of urban planning and a downtown or into area which we're in, you do want a parallel part in space against the sidewalk because they offer buffer in.
[1:05:14] And it's actually a traffic calming condition that a lot of urban planners use to actually contract it. So that you don't have a very wide roadway that people can move very quickly down.
[1:05:26] If you narrow that roadway, people will have an athlete slow their car down, and that actually
[1:05:32] makes it much more safer for pedestrians.
[1:05:36] You know, it might be something beyond your control affirming, but see, it might be something
[1:05:40] for the bird I look into is getting them sidewalk, kind of between fishing game and firehouse.
[1:05:46] There's already kind of asphaltish pavement under the tracks on that side.
[1:05:51] It's not an enormous distance.
[1:05:53] It could maybe just be asphalt.
[1:05:54] I'm just not sure if it's why I'm going to look at that, but it may not be like a compliance sidewalk, but I'm going to pay back.
[1:06:02] Why? I mean, there is sidewalk, I'm going to have a size so why would you?
[1:06:05] So that I know came up last game concerns about like kids walking from fishing game,
[1:06:09] and then they don't have to cross their own, like the one side is parking along the bike house.
[1:06:15] And that's something like that.
[1:06:15] I mean, like in the grass area.
[1:06:17] There would be walking in the street.
[1:06:19] What's next?
[1:06:23] What's next?
[1:06:25] Yeah, there's a problem.
[1:06:27] Yeah, there's a problem.
[1:06:28] Yeah, there's a problem.
[1:06:29] Yeah, there's a problem.
[1:06:29] But just not really.
[1:06:30] Can't not this happen.
[1:06:33] Control.
[1:06:34] But do you know what I'd be talking about?
[1:06:35] Yeah.
[1:06:36] The other one.
[1:06:36] The parking space is just that once the power is
[1:06:40] a project goes up, we're going to lose a lot of parking spaces.
[1:06:42] So I don't think we want to be eliminating parking spaces downtown.
[1:06:46] Yeah, I was just thinking about it.
[1:06:48] You're right.
[1:06:49] It might cause a wrap-up.
[1:06:51] People like, oh, I can really get down to the table.
[1:06:53] I don't like to be very like, but I think that's what it looks like.
[1:06:56] Which is what Susan, Susan's coming this way.
[1:06:58] I'm looking into that.
[1:06:59] I was thinking more about to make that turn into the garot,
[1:07:03] and because coming out, the garot is much more visible.
[1:07:06] Because they're not aging through and looking at the house,
[1:07:09] because
[1:07:12] I didn't record myself.
[1:07:14] But I shout to you very much.
[1:07:17] Mr. Lawson, do you have on the partial terrorist concepts?
[1:07:23] What's the square footage of that area?
[1:07:27] It looks like it's about six by ten.
[1:07:30] Do you have a sense of some one of the ballpark on the mezzanine?
[1:07:34] We know private terraces that are interior kind of how big they are.
[1:07:54] And the reason for not going all the way to the edge of that area is because it's close to the train truck, is that?
[1:07:59] Yes, it was a concern.
[1:08:01] by applicant that, you know, there might be some things that might be thrown or those different things in that location.
[1:08:08] So we wanted to make sure that that was pulled back from the dream.
[1:08:14] So whether it be a wall or something separating.
[1:08:17] There will be a pair of it, well, that reporting to inches, that is required by the link of code for ball protection.
[1:08:24] So there will be something there that comes up to that reporting to each part, that's shown on the elevations, and you will get a seed concept.
[1:08:31] I think you just fall down so I can see the area that's shown in the front of the white, which is proof.
[1:08:41] I think you just had last time it's basically just white.
[1:08:44] It's the same material as the top of the roof itself.
[1:08:47] Yes.
[1:08:47] Or would be held stone or those kinds of things that are common to be used on roof tops in those locations?
[1:08:55] I don't know if there's any consideration for a surface that's maybe slightly more attractive,
[1:08:58] if every had to be looking at an all the time.
[1:09:00] We can do as we can do a pebble-roof area there, that can do a little rather nice and
[1:09:08] increasingly maintained.
[1:09:15] Last week, because I wasn't here, but I wanted to give other folks the opportunity to ask
[1:09:18] any questions on what's presented to mind.
[1:09:25] Yeah, I did the first.
[1:09:26] Are you going to ask about the rear facade?
[1:09:30] Oh, yes.
[1:09:32] It's not really a question.
[1:09:34] It's more an opinion.
[1:09:35] If you want to go to that, Mr. Lawson.
[1:09:37] Um, I think the fake windows are worse, is my opinion, um, it feels like with the middle
[1:09:45] different color that might be enough, combined with vegetation.
[1:09:50] I want to reduce, um, I think that by just breaking down, um, having the, the kind of dark, light, dark light.
[1:10:01] And it's enough that it's not like stripes. It's anything more than that it would be. It would feel too, too, too, too.
[1:10:08] I don't think I agree. But action, that's the process. I'm talking about the rear.
[1:10:16] I got it also.
[1:10:19] Yeah, no one's going to see me.
[1:10:21] Mr. Harris, we were talking about the United Wayside.
[1:10:23] Yes.
[1:10:26] So what we can do is a resolution of ions, we can remove these kinds of areas, and that would just be one consistent color on either side, but we'll obtain a darker color in the middle.
[1:10:36] Okay.
[1:10:36] Unless anybody feels differently.
[1:10:39] What do you want us to go to the other?
[1:10:41] Yeah.
[1:10:41] So the rare is it possible to do the same kind of variation inside and on that side.
[1:10:50] Oh, okay.
[1:10:51] Great.
[1:10:52] So that you have bricks just so that you don't have them and notness.
[1:10:56] Didn't we talk about pro pulling that darker break along the bottom so that was right
[1:11:02] time?
[1:11:02] Yes, just something.
[1:11:03] Yeah, just something.
[1:11:05] So that there's a consistency of that dark break.
[1:11:07] You're saying time to take that dark break, that would be great.
[1:11:14] So just so that up here, we want the red break, yeah, we can extend it here instead of the
[1:11:20] color-baby share, whatever that is.
[1:11:22] And that would extend all the way down and then, yes.
[1:11:24] I would prefer to keep it all the same because I think that if you've done what like a light color brick in the center
[1:11:31] I think that feels like so yeah
[1:11:34] What we what you're saying is is that just to change the color of this being red brick instead of the the the
[1:11:41] See Bayes
[1:11:42] Is that a fair?
[1:11:44] Yeah, that's a much better look
[1:12:14] If you're right
[1:12:17] And even then the balance creates at the top here what is the same
[1:12:20] That's what we're just changing
[1:12:25] stuff.
[1:12:26] Just what I make sure that we're wrong.
[1:12:27] Yeah, and that's fun.
[1:12:28] Because what I was thinking more was changing the siding
[1:12:30] on the apartment level.
[1:12:32] But I think this is a better thing.
[1:12:35] I just want to make it kind
[1:12:42] of a little bit
[1:12:43] neary about a board telling you to change colors.
[1:12:47] Do you at least vet that
[1:12:51] this could not have
[1:12:52] not have a model with a whole red.
[1:12:54] I think might not be the best thing.
[1:12:57] I'm not a narcotap, I'm a millionaire.
[1:12:59] So all one colors could for me,
[1:13:01] but it may look silly.
[1:13:03] In my professional opinion, looking at these different things, yes, it will feel a little bit more
[1:13:08] monolithic, but we do only have one story. So I think I'm comfortable with the design aspects here
[1:13:14] that changing it to maroon because we have them the lapsiding above, that brings in that tan component.
[1:13:21] They still will not feel monolithic. I think it handles some of the concerns that some of the other
[1:13:26] So, from an architectural opinion, I do not see that as a detriment to the overall design.
[1:13:32] I don't know if you can.
[1:13:38] It's good, it's good.
[1:13:40] It's good to say that.
[1:13:40] I'm always talking about less manipulation.
[1:13:43] I don't know if you can do that.
[1:13:45] Yeah.
[1:13:46] For what it's good, I like that.
[1:13:55] That's why a lot of the times.
[1:13:57] And we're happy to work with the board with the reason
[1:13:59] that our contextual design, like this,
[1:14:01] doesn't usually come under the board's part because it's so subjective.
[1:14:05] But if that's a consensus, we're happy to work with the board on.
[1:14:08] It's not making that change.
[1:14:11] I'm not a bit of a super cool fellow.
[1:14:14] I'm a good couple of people.
[1:14:14] It's not a bad one.
[1:14:14] I'm a good one.
[1:14:27] I'm a good one.
[1:14:28] I'm a good one.
[1:14:29] I'm a good one.
[1:14:30] I'm a good one too.
[1:14:31] I like to do a little bit of one that everyone else in.
[1:14:42] The last thing to do.
[1:14:43] You touched about it a bit.
[1:14:45] Last time, but I know we had a member of our PMW for the Asian
[1:14:48] year, you just speak to degree the Whisture or able to incorporate
[1:14:52] their pockets.
[1:14:53] You're still fat the East and the East and the East and the East.
[1:14:55] So like we committed to doing the easing.
[1:16:18] I'm in terms of the landscape.
[1:16:49] I'm the guest of the request to consider lower and you overall
[1:17:03] understand some of the specifics on the
[1:17:11] arc of the ground. I'm in, you know, psych, what about can you see
[1:17:20] that we're not doing that?
[1:17:21] If
[1:17:42] private terrorists, there will be a railing around that private terrorists that will come up to about 36 to 42 inches.
[1:17:50] The condensers that are located adjacent to that are 42 inches or lower.
[1:17:55] So we do believe that you will be able to see those areas.
[1:17:59] We can screen them as much as possible from the private terrorists.
[1:18:02] But most likely because you don't want to have a six foot high fence or something like that,
[1:18:07] you will be able to see them adjacent to your private terrorists.
[1:18:10] And I guess it's not really, not really a different than sitting on a new debt next year,
[1:18:14] commonsor, essentially, in terms of sound also.
[1:18:18] That's exactly right, but one of the things that I will say is that we have spread those
[1:18:22] condensers out, and that works also for the logistics of the building.
[1:18:26] You want to make sure that those runs are not as long.
[1:18:29] So we're not looking at a very large amount of condensers in one single place.
[1:18:33] And by large, I would mean 20 or so or something like that, that might, you know, you would
[1:18:38] your home when they come on.
[1:18:40] We don't think these would act just like your single family home
[1:18:44] if you have one of these kind of condensers.
[1:18:46] It's a low home.
[1:18:50] OK, we still think that that's an amenity for these
[1:18:52] for these units at the message.
[1:18:58] Is there a generator proposed with a building?
[1:19:02] Currently, no, there is no generator needed
[1:19:04] for this building to be built.
[1:19:14] On sunny days, sound continuation.
[1:19:18] You tested about it to the walls.
[1:19:20] Did you, as your engineer, your voice expert, whoever
[1:19:24] It is also with different vibrations from the train tracks.
[1:19:29] They did a holistic review of this,
[1:19:32] and are proposing the construction condition
[1:19:36] that may be utilizing within our building permit documents.
[1:19:40] So they did look at all of those different items.
[1:19:43] It benefits us
[1:19:46] to make sure that there's no sound to doation.
[1:19:54] Hello, about 50 feet from the tracks.
[1:19:57] And my name is Mary Almondo.
[1:19:58] Check on the glasses sometime.
[1:20:04] The doors, so you have found last time that there are a static only, just a big fine, are the windows in the door or a glass, but the actual windows, and then clear, you won't be able to tell that there are windows too.
[1:20:19] in space, I guess? Correct. So those windows made you view windows that open up into this
[1:20:25] the areas of the open to above spaces, but they're not needed. So that's why we say that
[1:20:32] they are just access because you don't need them to be in like air qualifications or any of those
[1:20:37] different things. But it would be nice in the top-lessing unit that you have a window at that location
[1:20:45] where we make sense.
[1:20:47] That's good.
[1:20:47] I just want to do a boy like white or something.
[1:20:49] Of course.
[1:20:51] What's the material of color of the garage door, itself?
[1:20:55] Currently, we're thinking that it is matching the gas and metal,
[1:21:00] so it would be that gray color charcoal color.
[1:21:03] Let me have it in other
[1:21:06] room.
[1:21:09] I think this is the last question.
[1:21:11] I was kind of just curious about white overall
[1:21:13] for the amenity space, which is your facing.
[1:21:18] and also just the units themselves.
[1:21:20] I think I was looking at the four plans,
[1:21:23] and I'm not sure that they're 100% correct.
[1:21:27] The last four plans, there's the two bedroom,
[1:21:33] four in the winter,
[1:21:42] it's 10.
[1:21:46] These are example
[1:21:49] of a matter of several.
[1:21:51] These are example units.
[1:21:53] It's just on that particular unit,
[1:21:54] which I think is the only, okay.
[1:21:57] I guess it's the portable 945 square
[1:22:00] But if it's on the corner of that, it's not the one that's supposed to be a train track.
[1:22:05] Correct.
[1:22:06] Because that one's only going to have windows on one track.
[1:22:09] But if you notice on that, we have sufficient amount of, like, it's, I think, 30-30-3D.
[1:22:15] We know all that faces where it's the default housing.
[1:22:19] Project two get three rooms.
[1:22:23] So you're fed room, you're living room, and you're fed room.
[1:22:27] All right.
[1:22:27] Exactly.
[1:22:27] And then just in terms of having looked at lighting on the roof amenities space as well as some of the interior
[1:22:36] private areas was just to see if they're going to be lit sufficiently during the day.
[1:22:41] Yeah, I mean the building is not that large in terms of only being two stories above that old space.
[1:22:49] So you will even though you have shadow being cast from the building into that space,
[1:22:54] It's not like there's a six story building that you're going to create a came in the fact.
[1:22:58] And that's something that we looked at when we created that courtyard space.
[1:23:02] You don't want to make, you want to make sure that the height of the building is oriented towards
[1:23:06] the amount of width of the courtyard. To make sure you don't have that came in effect.
[1:23:10] And we did look into that as we were designed in the building to make sure that you did get that
[1:23:14] a bit like into that space. Now, you're not going to get full sun in different areas,
[1:23:19] especially during the winter months. But we do think that it's sufficient to get ambient
[1:23:24] might get to those areas of each of those units.
[1:23:31] I was a chance here, there's been a few questions.
[1:23:33] Anyone else from the board or professionals?
[1:23:36] Questions on architecture?
[1:23:38] I have a question on the roof and the height of the wing.
[1:23:43] When you did your selection of the hip-roof style,
[1:23:46] you were able to use the middle roof height to
[1:23:53] get
[1:23:53] pick up the buildings.
[1:23:58] What's the difference between that and adding instead of having
[1:24:02] If you had a setback with war, how much higher would the building have been, and was that not an option or did you look at that?
[1:24:13] So there were many options gone through during the settlement process of this project, including having a four story on this building.
[1:24:25] And it was the determination of the council and during that settlement agreement that a
[1:24:31] three-story building allowing for a messaging was appropriate.
[1:24:36] And that three-story reading was accomplished by having those hip and cable roofs
[1:24:39] to hide what was happening in that visiting space.
[1:24:43] If you take a look at the overall height, if you go from the actual grade to the overall height
[1:24:48] of the building of a very top of those roof structures,
[1:24:52] The building, if it was a four-story building, would not be much different.
[1:24:56] But because this is a three-story building with a mezzanine and that...
[1:25:00] Through structure hides that top floor, it does feel more residential, it feels more in line with a lot of the other buildings that are within the burrow.
[1:25:08] So that was a lot of the back and forth that was occurring during the settlement agreement.
[1:25:13] Okay, understood. The burrow does have a lot of power at the side building, flat roofs, and we do have a new one with a setback floor.
[1:25:23] So it was for myself, how does it work?
[1:25:25] I wasn't familiar with what happened with the set of heroes.
[1:25:29] Those were all options that were on the table that, you know,
[1:25:32] of this eventually became the settlement that occurred.
[1:25:35] Right. And to me, you look at the building.
[1:25:38] It has a high-up of horse story building in the end, anyway.
[1:25:42] So, what happened?
[1:25:43] I was ready.
[1:25:44] My testimony is going to be that it's a three story plus a minute.
[1:25:47] So, I don't disagree quite, but I think this is what we were.
[1:25:51] I'll get back on the set of one agreement.
[1:25:55] Any other questions from board members before we go to the public?
[1:26:00] On this way, there's questions for the architect, sir.
[1:26:13] I'm Jack Perrita, 39 Wooden Road, and also Chairman of the Historic Preservation Commission for the Burrow.
[1:26:23] Just a few items.
[1:26:26] Madam Chair.
[1:26:27] I'm sorry to ask this, I'm sorry.
[1:26:28] Can we just take a look at two minutes?
[1:26:30] That's a great thing.
[1:26:32] Sorry, I'm sorry.
[1:26:34] Sorry.
[1:26:34] I'm sorry.
[1:26:34] Hold that thought.
[1:26:37] Thank you.
[1:27:10] Yeah.
[1:27:10] Yeah.
[1:27:10] You're not.
[1:27:11] I'm not.
[1:27:13] I'm not.
[1:27:13] I'm not.
[1:27:16] You're not.
[1:27:17] I'm not.
[1:27:18] I'm not.
[1:27:19] It's a lovely one.
[1:27:20] It's a lovely one.
[1:27:22] I'm not.
[1:27:23] I do.
[1:27:24] Somewhere.
[1:27:42] Yeah, I was one of the things that I had to make sure that they didn't want us to get caught, but they didn't want us to get caught.
[1:28:53] So that's what I'm going to do.
[1:28:59] So that's
[1:29:07] what
[1:29:15] I'm going to do.
[1:29:17] That's what I'm going to do.
[1:31:36] One of the things we talked about was that our preservation commission meeting and we had some concerns about what was the use of standing seam.
[1:31:45] roofing on the building. We didn't feel as a as a as a commission. We didn't feel like that was
[1:31:52] kind of an appropriate
[1:31:54] or contextual
[1:31:56] treatment to the building.
[1:31:59] We asked that you consider not doing
[1:32:04] standing seam. It doesn't look like that's been considered or
[1:32:09] revised at this point. So we did consider it
[1:32:15] the way back and forth on that and
[1:32:17] Ultimately, we made the decision that we thought that this was a better solution with the standing seam.
[1:32:24] Metal work, we thought that it was a added architectural,
[1:32:31] more architectural elements at the corners
[1:32:34] and broke down the briefline for extensively, rather than just doing shingle in all different locations.
[1:32:40] So we did take out into consideration in my previous testimony, I did elaborate that we thought
[1:32:49] that this was the best solution for the building in terms of what we obtained was put
[1:32:54] in the writing.
[1:32:55] But we were then asking the board to write an information whether they agreed that the
[1:33:00] same sentence seen the roof was the better solution.
[1:33:04] It's asking that there was no comment back from the board that they disagreed with our interpretation and are what to keep this answer.
[1:33:14] Okay, I'll just voice as a representative of the Preservation Commission, which is tasked with helping to determine applications and review applications for buildings that are going to reside in our historic district,
[1:33:30] whether or not they kind of meet the standards,
[1:33:34] but look at the design guidelines
[1:33:35] that are appropriate for the world.
[1:33:38] So that was one of our considerations.
[1:33:42] Next item was, you've mentioned it,
[1:33:45] you've designed lighting,
[1:33:47] but I haven't seen a rendering of any sort
[1:33:51] that describes what that exterior lighting looks like,
[1:33:54] maybe you have a nighttime shot here.
[1:33:58] So
[1:34:26] as an exhibit that was added,
[1:34:33] the record that dictated that we were representing three different
[1:34:37] fixtures, two that were penned, essentially, likes that would be located along the face of the building going towards the parking lot, as well as a quarter of the building.
[1:34:49] And then, uplighting, we thought that that was a great suggestion by the HBC to have uplighting half the corners of the building on the burp pears,
[1:34:56] and making sure that those were tilted towards the building since it didn't shine.
[1:34:59] Let's do it.
[1:35:05] No issues with anything that you've described, those pictures don't offend me in any way.
[1:35:13] And we just good to understand from a nighttime shot, what does the exterior lighting look like?
[1:35:29] without seeing any kind of exhibit that displays it.
[1:35:36] And I will also see that I don't like the fake windows
[1:35:39] and the elevations facing the tracks.
[1:35:44] And that's definitely not.
[1:35:47] It's a lot of the plus and one quick follow-up.
[1:35:49] Have you had any other projects where you've used the shingle
[1:35:53] to write next to the metal scene where you've been just trying to
[1:35:57] get a sense of how that goes together?
[1:36:01] We have used the standing C metal root as an accent.
[1:36:05] Thank you very much.
[1:36:07] We have used that as an accent.
[1:36:09] I can't specifically tell you where we have.
[1:36:12] It doesn't come to mind very quickly.
[1:36:14] But I know that we have used that as an accent where in other locations of that same building.
[1:36:19] We've then used a shingle-sided for a similar condition that we have.
[1:36:24] We do think that this breaks down the building extensively and provides a hierarchy of the root
[1:36:28] To make sure that the saddening scene medals have the corners.
[1:36:31] And in those areas where we pop out the building.
[1:36:33] And that's how we're accenting on that group.
[1:36:36] We thought that it was a good, a great condition
[1:36:39] that really broke down to scale above the group.
[1:36:46] Or questions from the public?
[1:36:51] One more question.
[1:36:53] I'm going to can use choir of Viwe, you just said you had,
[1:36:55] I flipped the group.
[1:36:56] Is all standing sitting sitting sitting sitting
[1:36:59] in certain areas?
[1:36:59] It's only standing sitting in certain areas.
[1:37:01] We kind of see it here.
[1:37:04] The protection.
[1:37:05] Sorry.
[1:37:06] A15 of the original submission, the area where we have just essentially that hit roof that kind of extends
[1:37:13] sense all the way around the building is a shingles roofing material, and then at the corner
[1:37:20] as well as anywhere we have, we have like a bump out, we're accessing that way that standing
[1:37:25] scene metal material.
[1:37:27] It looks like it's the same color, but it's probably gone.
[1:37:31] But it's probably going to have more significant contrast.
[1:37:36] We had presented materials before that showed what the metal was and what the
[1:37:42] single color was and we thought that they were complementary together.
[1:37:45] Yes, we thought that the single was that's how the material was.
[1:37:49] Or did you?
[1:37:49] I believe that I did bring a big shingles.
[1:37:59] We did present that and they were complementary.
[1:38:03] not to be labored at the point, but in an engineer, I don't see certain things.
[1:38:09] What's the issue with the...
[1:38:12] Because I've started issue with using standing scene versus Schinger.
[1:38:17] What's trying to figure out what the objection is from this.
[1:38:22] I guess what I can say is that the conversation that we have with HVC was more about
[1:38:28] that they thought that the standing scene model was not appropriate in the sort nature of the furrow sound tower.
[1:38:35] But we thought that provided for a nice accent on this building that elevated that look.
[1:38:42] It's a more expensive condition.
[1:38:44] So if we were to go to a single site and that's actually a less expensive condition for the developer.
[1:38:49] But the developer is committed to creating a high level architecture here and thought that this was a cook grid.
[1:38:54] So there's no other examples of staying in the room in the barrel, necessarily.
[1:39:00] I don't think that there are any that comes in the room.
[1:39:03] on in some of the buildings with a man's sort of roof, they have other tile, right, or
[1:39:08] slain.
[1:39:10] So,
[1:39:13] there was a series of different ones, so this is a single roof on the Chattanova savings
[1:39:18] and trust building, and then you have a more Mediterranean style that's on the tile here,
[1:39:25] which is something that we did not want to go towards.
[1:39:27] They're single, you know, on the jeweler's building here, on the library, they're single as well.
[1:39:36] So we've got to use the metal seam route more as a back side piece to access that corner and to elevate the design.
[1:39:43] Like it would be a lot of shingle if you went all single.
[1:39:46] It's a big plant.
[1:39:49] I guess my only concern is how they go together.
[1:39:53] So it's an accessible.
[1:39:53] And we agree, and that's why we made sure that they were complementary and really the tones of those web
[1:40:00] The great chiecle tile and the great vettel panel really worked together.
[1:40:12] Anybody else? What's your comment?
[1:40:17] We can go to the point.
[1:40:19] Michael can just stay if you have questions.
[1:40:21] Thank you.
[1:40:23] Harold.
[1:40:24] All right.
[1:40:25] Then our final witnesses are our professional planner.
[1:40:51] We may have an idea.
[1:40:52] That was fun.
[1:41:04] Playing this,
[1:41:08] the shingle was exhibit A5, which is a darker tone shingle that matches the renderings that we have provided, and then A4 was the metal roofing material, which is a darker.
[1:41:21] That is very compatible we thought with the video rushing.
[1:41:25] Of course it is.
[1:42:02] So was a slate considered, and all the other materials similar to that?
[1:42:09] We did look it's like, unfortunately, that was not an option that we were willing to, to advance the further bit.
[1:42:17] Just looking at
[1:42:21] that.
[1:42:21] Councillor.
[1:42:22] Thank you.
[1:42:23] Thank you.
[1:42:24] Thank you.
[1:42:24] Thank you.
[1:42:24] Thank you.
[1:42:24] Thank you.
[1:42:25] Thank you.
[1:42:26] Good evening, sir.
[1:42:26] I wanted to administer your role, please.
[1:42:28] You swear that the testimony and any activity, excuse me.
[1:42:32] Any evidence or exempt you offered the board.
[1:42:34] This hearing would be the truth.
[1:42:36] I don't think about the truth.
[1:42:36] I do it.
[1:42:38] For our record, please give us your full name, spelling the last name, and your business
[1:42:42] affiliation.
[1:42:44] Please.
[1:42:44] John, Tikina, Ties, and Thomas, AI, Kays, and Kelly, I, and isn't Nicholas, I'm a principal
[1:42:52] of all things planning and development at 900 Main Street in Belmore, New Jersey.
[1:42:58] Thank you.
[1:42:59] Thank you.
[1:42:59] Thank you.
[1:43:00] Thank you.
[1:43:01] Thank you.
[1:43:03] Hi, I'm a licensed player in the state of New Jersey.
[1:43:07] I have been like a piece of my studies at Rutgers University in 1992.
[1:43:12] I've spent the last 33 years doing this, testifying for planning and zoning boards around
[1:43:17] the state and across the country.
[1:43:19] I'm half out and it's just like this.
[1:43:22] Additionally, early in my career, on the first five years or so, I was the planner of record
[1:43:27] for the National Register of Historic Districts in Ocean Grove and Planefield, New Jersey.
[1:43:32] And I was the author of the land development ordinances and historic preservation ordinances in both national register communities.
[1:43:42] I've appeared before more than 210 boards around the state, and my license is current and good standing.
[1:43:48] All right, well the board is up.
[1:43:50] It's good.
[1:43:50] Okay.
[1:43:51] So John, if you could just before we get started some foundation items, you visited the site in the surrounding area.
[1:43:58] Yes.
[1:43:59] Okay.
[1:43:59] You've also reviewed the plans.
[1:44:01] Yes.
[1:44:01] Okay, and you've had a chance to review the redevelopment plan and any applicable items as it relates to the housing element of fair share plan as it relates to this project.
[1:44:10] Yes, the adopted ordinance and the settlement agreements.
[1:44:13] Okay, if you could just speak to a conformance with that plan and also speak to the one design layer that we have in connection with the application.
[1:44:22] So, this was a project that resulted from the fourth-round challenge in settlement process.
[1:44:33] The borough entered a settlement agreement with the developer.
[1:44:36] And part of that agreement was the adoption of the B4AH district.
[1:44:40] In the downtown, a specifically provided for the 29 units that are proposed,
[1:44:45] specifically provided for three stories and 42 feet,
[1:44:48] to the midpoint of the roof. Provided for the height measured from a specific point on a property line
[1:44:55] along South Pacific Avenue, specifically provided for exclusions from-
[1:45:00] On that height, for mechanical things and rooftop equipment. This also provided for a appropriate parking ratio of 1.5 spaces per unit, inclusive of any electric vehicle credit.
[1:45:14] The ordinance further provided for maximum lock coverage and building coverage at 100%.
[1:45:18] provided for yard buffer as a zero feet for garage oil with a 24 feet standard parking
[1:45:26] 9 by 18 compact parking unit by 16 provided for six bicycle spaces being required and required
[1:45:34] the specific streets gate improvements we've talked about on South Pacific and along the post office
[1:45:42] parking lot and then finally provided for a lead silver level of design but did not require
[1:45:51] us to spend the quarter of my dollars to go get the plaque this took on the wall. Most importantly,
[1:45:57] it provided for 15% inclusion or housing development including a $63,000 payment made to the
[1:46:03] affordable housing trust fund for the fracturing unit. Specifically provided for the affordable
[1:46:12] to two-bedroom units, one which is low-income, one which is moderate income, and one
[1:46:17] three-bedroom unit that is moderate income, that further provided for building sizes that are
[1:46:22] consistent with the uniform housing affordability controls, better known as UAC, and you have the
[1:46:32] requirements also to talk about things such as materials for the building, materials for the units,
[1:46:39] where the units can be located, et cetera.
[1:46:41] And I believe the board is already certain correctly
[1:46:43] that the building is compliance with the UAC requirements.
[1:46:48] Well, the setbacks, et cetera, are all being met.
[1:46:51] The buildings on the property, which is a good thing.
[1:46:55] Parking is provided, actually, a little bit extra
[1:46:57] parking is provided, so I think it would be appropriate
[1:47:00] to, as we said, to assign some spaces for the units.
[1:47:04] and then assign some spaces for assigned some spaces for visitors.
[1:47:11] Ironically, 900 main street, my office is a building that my family is pleased to build.
[1:47:18] It's actually a 30 unit apartment building in downtown Belmore.
[1:47:24] We have 45 parking spaces, so 1.5 per unit, and I'm happy to report that we have 39 residents and 36 cars.
[1:47:34] There are every day, so the 1.5 is a number that actually works and works very well.
[1:47:40] So, sorry, John, the European special opinion the African has complied with all the redevelopment
[1:47:46] plan requirements as well as the housing plan requirements.
[1:47:49] Yes, that is correct.
[1:47:51] All right, and then can you just be to the one design waiver that we have as relates to the lighting?
[1:47:55] Certainly, so we do require one design waiver from the maximum permitted average lighting level,
[1:48:02] of one foot calendar required.
[1:48:04] We're providing 2.8, as a factor, as Mr. Blue testified
[1:48:09] of the lighting fixture matching the borough fixture.
[1:48:13] And also the fact that it is somewhat of a public parking lot,
[1:48:17] and we think that having that parking,
[1:48:19] having that parking lot lit, the way we have
[1:48:22] is an appropriate lighting design.
[1:48:25] This is a design exception in your ordinance,
[1:48:28] as you know, standard for granting exception,
[1:48:31] It's been a little different for your variants.
[1:48:34] There's three findings for the board.
[1:48:36] First of all, that the request is within the board
[1:48:39] site plan review powers.
[1:48:42] Secondly, that the request is reasonable.
[1:48:45] And third, the little enforcement would be in practical
[1:48:47] or somewhat of a hardship.
[1:48:49] Again, this exception is sought again
[1:48:51] to have a little extra light there.
[1:48:54] That is not excessive to 0.8 is not a high number,
[1:48:59] certainly not a high number for a parking lot.
[1:49:01] typical retail parking lots are to define it five and above, so 2.8 is certainly not overly
[1:49:09] lit, if you will. And it is a very small area, so it's hard to kind of spread everything out
[1:49:13] enough to get the average down to one. And again, we're kind of limited by our fixture to be able
[1:49:21] to match that fixture, kind of throws off a lot of light, which makes sense for a fixture that is in
[1:49:27] really in the public right away. And in that public parking lot. So we do think that
[1:49:32] it is appropriate. And we don't believe that having the additional light, I mean negative
[1:49:37] impact on our neighbors. Again, it's a public parking lot on ourselves. And we don't think
[1:49:43] it's going to have a negative impact on your plan.
[1:49:45] All right, so your opinion meets the standard under section 51 of the municipal line. Yes, it does.
[1:49:50] All right, that's all I have. I'm not in church.
[1:49:53] Thank you. Any questions? Any questions? Any questions? Any questions from the public for the plan?
[1:50:01] Thank you. Thank you.
[1:50:05] Thank you. Yeah, that would conclude our case in chief. I mean, do you want us to public comment before I sum up?
[1:50:13] Okay, so that. Thank you. And now at this time, if any members of the public have any comments that they would like to share, this is your opportunity.
[1:50:28] Thank the Board. But it's time, thank the Board of HBC members of the public. We've had a, I know, we've only been from this Board twice, but there's been a lot of meetings to work on this project over.
[1:50:40] or maybe two years, or maybe even longer.
[1:50:44] So the floor professionals and the bar professionals
[1:50:45] have been very helpful in this process.
[1:50:48] So through it all, that's why we have a conforming application
[1:50:51] that complies with the redevelopment plan,
[1:50:53] complies with housing plan, it complies with settlement agreement.
[1:50:57] This is the exception of that one minor waiver
[1:50:59] for the lighting.
[1:51:02] I wrote down, I know there were things
[1:51:03] that we incorporated into the plan,
[1:51:05] and the exhibits between the first meeting
[1:51:06] in the second meeting, but the whole point
[1:51:08] the site find processes, even though we're permitted to use, even though we comply with all these standards,
[1:51:14] is to see if there's any other reasonable conditions or other factors that we can make the project improve as a result of the site find process.
[1:51:22] So the process really worked perfectly. So if you look at the conditions that we've just talked about this evening,
[1:51:28] and I'm sure Mr. Walker has some of them written down too, but I have the landscape screening around the transformer,
[1:51:34] possibly removing the power if the utility company permits it, more landscaping on the burden
[1:51:41] county in a way, side if that's achievable, doing a traffic control plan with your police
[1:51:48] department during construction, providing the stop sign and the stop bar by the access point
[1:51:55] in addition to the items. We already testified to, as a result of the discussions we've had,
[1:52:01] identifying the visitor spaces versus the resident spaces from the parking area, providing
[1:52:09] that, I think, what Michael was saying, based on what the chair was indicating, that
[1:52:13] table still on the roof area, that some of the residents might look down upon removing the
[1:52:19] fake windows.
[1:52:20] I think that was the consensus of everybody on the back of the building.
[1:52:24] I think we also had getting extending the red brick around those
[1:52:30] phasasas as we felt about it. So I just probably not see it over 10
[1:52:34] conditions that we discussed due to the process and that's exactly what it's
[1:52:38] what the process is for. So I think we put on a case that demonstrates that we
[1:52:43] men are the standard for cycline approval. We have the standard for the one
[1:52:47] design labor. We obviously agree to comply with your remaining board
[1:52:51] professional comments. So with that, Madam Chair, members of the board, I would respectfully request that the board grant the application has presented for preliminary and final cyclone with the one designed way for them to be requested.
[1:53:03] So thank you very much.
[1:53:04] Thank you.
[1:53:04] So did you have any other
[1:53:09] side of the work standards?
[1:53:11] I'd like to suggest as we had the practice of the board involved all of the relevant and two meetings. First, I want to thank Council for outlining additional conditions.
[1:53:21] I've been trying to take notes and think I was on page four, so I think you had about
[1:53:26] eight, I had three or eight miles, but I think our practice of discussing conditions
[1:53:31] before we close for board discussions.
[1:53:34] So we have a chance to interact with the app that's certainly would be helpful if the board
[1:53:37] would allow that now.
[1:53:40] Yeah, the one thing that you didn't mention was the setting back in the garage, the exit.
[1:53:46] Oh, because we already put that on the client side, I can see that side's fine.
[1:53:49] I said anything that we already had those on the updated exhibit.
[1:53:53] The only thing we've got to have is on the place, even around the transformer.
[1:53:56] I know that would where I was focused, but anywhere I'm on the sidewall,
[1:54:00] I'm just not having the lack of a better term, critical things that will be sharp.
[1:54:06] Yeah.
[1:54:07] I think there were other Mollies shown in such a way.
[1:54:09] That's fine.
[1:54:10] Okay.
[1:54:10] That's fine.
[1:54:11] Thank you.
[1:54:12] I think we missed wheel stops.
[1:54:14] I didn't know.
[1:54:15] We only captured wheel stops on being...
[1:54:18] not the rights.
[1:54:19] Okay, excuse me, I thought, I actually wrote wheel stop in Circle D and I did that because
[1:54:23] I don't remember what it was for.
[1:54:24] I had a record, so.
[1:54:26] I thought it was not.
[1:54:27] No stop still.
[1:54:28] I thought it would be a repetitive, a defensive was that the devolence eventually worked as
[1:54:32] you just outlined, I won't repeat that.
[1:54:35] But there already know it.
[1:54:37] And they will have for a number of conditions to understand, to follow it.
[1:54:41] And one of them is that the site plan is proved in accordance with the plans of menace
[1:54:47] to the plants, statements during hearing, testimony in the experts, and subsequent amendments
[1:54:52] required by the conditions.
[1:54:54] So I think we've got it.
[1:54:55] The pretty thorough, shall we say, I'm a perception that covers some, covers those issues.
[1:55:00] And so, it's because I'm myself here tonight with the set of four pages, 26. Anyhow, I'll go through it. Some of them are standard.
[1:55:10] Just outline the first condition. The application is proof, and there's to be compliant with importance with deterrence conditions and requirements in the summer of the room and any amendments there too. The application is to obtain any all of the governmental equipment of criminals, utility, and other service providers.
[1:55:30] for the development and to be provided for the redeeming approval of the born in
[1:55:36] generic. That would include the utility-winserv letters. There's going to be
[1:55:42] requirement that developers agree even though there's a settlement agreement
[1:55:45] or redevelopment plan here. That'll be worth specific on the affordable set,
[1:55:50] the time and designation, etc, which we always have in our conclusion
[1:55:53] evidence. The applicant has agreed that it stipulated to comply with the
[1:55:58] in terms of conditions and requirements of the professional reviews.
[1:56:02] We've talked about the parking wheel stops.
[1:56:05] The parking spaces are to be designated and allocated
[1:56:09] to the affordable housing tenants.
[1:56:11] And the ones that are not so allocated or to be labeled
[1:56:14] would signage for visitor parking.
[1:56:17] Yeah, I think it was just to all the tenant, all the tenants
[1:56:19] that would be designed.
[1:56:21] But yes, a sign that anything that's not would be marked
[1:56:24] is it a part of the community?
[1:56:26] Thank you.
[1:56:27] This question is that these are rentals.
[1:56:29] Is there an additional fee for parking?
[1:56:30] As I included in the rent.
[1:56:32] I can find that out.
[1:56:33] I'm just going to want to say something.
[1:56:34] Wait a second before.
[1:56:40] He said it depends, but it could be either way.
[1:56:44] I think so.
[1:56:45] Could you stipulate that the
[1:56:58] information?
[1:56:59] Not usually.
[1:56:59] That would usually be covered in the dual vision.
[1:57:02] Okay.
[1:57:02] We can negotiate that with the borrower as part of the developers.
[1:57:04] I think we have done another part.
[1:57:06] Yeah.
[1:57:07] Well, we can discuss it with the affordable housing council
[1:57:10] and the developers.
[1:57:12] Just for the benefit of your client, I know you know this was to do all you'll negotiate it, but that's a standard provision
[1:57:18] Most of the communities in fact are all unfamiliar with as far as the inclusion are you answer the affordable units?
[1:57:25] Just so that we're not being created for this necessarily required, but it's common.
[1:57:31] The applicant is to present an application to the burrow sign committee for the candidate signed.
[1:57:40] The applicant is to provide bonding and we have a bonding clause that you're familiar with.
[1:57:44] But yeah, that's not an estimate.
[1:57:47] The applicant is to provide, before again, a broad merger.
[1:57:51] The applicant is to provide the approval
[1:57:52] and the jersey's transit for the encouragement.
[1:58:00] Yeah, as the five team have a civil engineer,
[1:58:02] whatever approvals are assigned also required by the rail company.
[1:58:07] The applicant is to provide a phasing plan.
[1:58:10] You've talked about this and was very helpful
[1:58:13] when I was going to suggest it that the applicant is going
[1:58:16] provide a traffic control plan and measures to be undertaken
[1:58:21] at the expense of the outcome as approved by the Burl Police Department in the Burl
[1:58:25] issue here. We've talked about the stop bar and the stop base. We've talked about the,
[1:58:31] and I used to turn truckated this app with the warning area. That's correct. The
[1:58:37] truncated domes. Yeah, that's correct. Truncated domes, domes, domes, domes.
[1:58:43] and warning on the site plan H2.
[1:58:47] The applicant is to provide it as bill plan prior to CO.
[1:58:51] We talked about the stop sign and the stop bar.
[1:58:55] We talked about the landscape, the amended landscape,
[1:58:57] the plans required for the reviewing approval
[1:59:00] to come to the things like shielding the compressor
[1:59:02] and the other areas of property.
[1:59:05] We covered the ballers as determined
[1:59:06] if required by the utility provider.
[1:59:09] We talked about the garage of our,
[1:59:11] We talked about the formula cell in the lights, the wheel stops we've already covered, the facing plan will be required.
[1:59:21] Yeah, the Gorages just was just the lighting, the lighting structure.
[1:59:25] Yeah, well, I'm assuming that when we get to draft the W might be helpful.
[1:59:30] I know you will.
[1:59:31] We talked about the facing plan.
[1:59:35] We talked about the parking spaces.
[1:59:37] I
[1:59:40] think that about a coverage of the engineer or plan I want to add supplement to other.
[1:59:47] I don't know.
[1:59:48] You got it?
[1:59:50] Can't you do it?
[1:59:51] Okay.
[1:59:53] And thanks again for your help on that.
[1:59:55] To approach taking care as far as your advancement of certain conditions.
[2:00:00] So I'm not going to helpful in the press. I'm going to just want to inform about the fire.
[2:00:06] I'm sorry about the suppression in the stand-plates.
[2:00:10] In the stir rules.
[2:00:12] I had something about the fire department in the E.G.M.S.
[2:00:15] Excuse me, there was one thing in my script, but we are.
[2:00:19] We're mentioning that there's a resolution review required by the,
[2:00:25] you can play with the neighbors.
[2:00:26] You can do it with fire in the MASH.
[2:00:30] I don't know if the fire has a lot of comment.
[2:00:32] I just want to confirm that the leads to MASH is fire suppression and the also decline
[2:00:37] of fire suppression in the standpoint.
[2:00:40] So instead of bringing back the witness, I have NFPA 13, okay, stand pipes and every stairwell.
[2:00:47] And a fully sprinkled by the voice, the leads face.
[2:00:51] Yes.
[2:00:52] But thanks for letting that conclusion do.
[2:00:54] and through the benefits of the applicant, we've had that in our other multis, and we do
[2:00:58] all that, so I appreciate the duration of that.
[2:01:00] I get an included thank you.
[2:01:14] For members of the public, we get to lift deliberations.
[2:01:20] We often, for more significant applications, get the board out there in the deliberate,
[2:01:24] while we vote.
[2:01:25] Anybody want to share any thoughts on this application, not required, but welcome to view
[2:01:30] by.
[2:01:33] I'll just take thank you for your cooperation, Mr. Development,
[2:01:36] use on the offices and as if applications, but you still, it became a little bit of a
[2:01:41] negotiation as the best pipeline usually is, so thank you. I think we helped make it better.
[2:01:47] I will entertain a motion to vote on this, to approve this application, subject to the
[2:01:52] condition as the memory of our needs to walk on. I want to entertain that motion.
[2:01:57] So,
[2:02:35] guys, and I vote for not at the last meeting, but we vote slightly at the end of the day,
[2:02:43] Thank you all.
[2:02:46] Nothing else on the agenda.
[2:02:48] I'm going to start asking, and what do we have on it?
[2:02:59] The second is 2026.
[2:03:12] And the most likely we have the approval of the solution for this.
[2:03:21] Okay,
[2:03:25] it's fine.
[2:03:27] All assumed that our meeting got locked over seven days on.
[2:03:30] It's definitely on.
[2:03:32] So.
[2:03:35] And we're going to turn it.
[2:03:48] We'll just
[2:04:38] visit on the first floor, the first floor, the third time he's done us back and went to the second floor, please.
[2:04:50] He's the only one who's there up in the middle.
[2:04:54] He's no longer practicing and now he wants to go back to the residential.
[2:05:00] That is being reviewed right now, by the end of the year. So we may not have an application, actually. We will kind of not assure it if we, but we'll probably want to get this resolution done.
[2:05:11] So we can always, I feel it happens in assuming any of that works for everybody too, considering the quality, if it's only a resolution. Resolution of the good nets.
[2:05:20] Didn't, didn't we have a full site plan on that? With other site work on the property?
[2:05:23] It's not too long and it's something with the gentleman at the wall front and switching back and forth and we have a full-site plan
[2:05:31] This time, we do not submit a site. No, I mean, let's go. Yeah, it's been a while
[2:05:40] Yeah, there's three
[2:05:41] Yeah, because it was supposed to improve the spot
[2:05:48] Well, we didn't have safe plan and you didn't have there's a lot of labor
[2:05:54] You have to have data survey and you don't have to say the same thing.
[2:05:59] We'll leave it at that until he comes.
[2:06:02] I'm just going to be adjourned.
[2:06:03] You know, a couple of administrative items.
[2:06:05] Just to remind you, during the meetings,
[2:06:07] to try to remember all of my phone,
[2:06:09] because I was quite an eye-washing,
[2:06:10] because you weren't here.
[2:06:12] You might stand on.
[2:06:13] You don't have any.
[2:06:13] I know.
[2:06:16] I know.
[2:06:17] And then the other thing is please do respond to Vanessa,
[2:06:20] which you know is about the form,
[2:06:22] because we don't want her to have to call.
[2:06:24] and how do we need that question answered.
[2:06:28] So, reminder, thank you all.
[2:06:31] Motion for adjourned.
[2:06:33] I'll see you.
[2:06:35] Hall of favor.
[2:06:36] All right.
[2:06:37] Thank you.