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the 8 River Road, Fair Haven, New
Jersey. Public participation for this

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regular council meeting of August 17,
2026 is available by call and phone

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number or through web conference Zoom.
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until there's time for questions or
comments which will be announced. At

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that time, the public has the
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phone or through zooming by the raised
hand button and will be called on at the

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appropriate time. Notice of this meeting
was included in the schedule of meetings

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which was adopted by resolution number
2026-13

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and sent to the Aspberry Park Press in
the Two River Times on January 12th,

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2026, posted on the Burough website, the
Bolton Bo Municipal Building, and has

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remained continuously posted as required
under the statute. With adequate notice

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having been given, the B clerk is
directed to include this statement in

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the minutes of this meeting. Alison, may
I please have a roll call?

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» Council members call here.
>> Yes, here.

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» Griffin
>> here. Miy

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» here.
>> Olson

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» here.
>> We have administrator. Attorney

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is by Zoom. Um, Director Portinsky, BJ
Ber is by Zoom.

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And Lieutenant Dexter.
>> Okay. Uh, jumping right into it. We have

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an workshop session on our Eagle Scout
project carried from last month. Uh

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Sigret Vindas is on Zoom.
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» this is for the concession stand snack
chat rebank.

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» Hello.
>> Hi. How are you?

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» Hi. Good, thank you.
>> All right. Thanks for joining us. Um,

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usually, uh, when we have a Eagle Scout
project, uh, the potential Eagle Scout

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takes us through the project itself,
tells us a little bit about, um,

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what they're doing with it, and then we
ask, you know, sometimes there's some

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questions from some council people that
we uh, we ask at the end. Um, so that's

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usually how we do it. Do you have
something prepared to present us or

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Um, I do have a slideshow that I had. I
just need to pull it up. Sorry.

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» Sorry.
Is that going to show?

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» She can share screen. Um, let's see.
>> Um, do you guys have papers? Because I

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think that I've been I've shared with
different people. Um, I don't know if

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you guys have any, but I
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not sure. It's in our packet now.

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» Okay, we have I think we have a a binder
here, which looks probably more

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substantial than your um slideshow even
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» You have one too?
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down here between you two and then

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» Okay. How about this? Why don't we start
off while you while you're doing that?

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Why don't you tell us a little bit in
general what you're doing to the snack

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shack and um give us a time frame.

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We start there.

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Oh, sorry. Can you hear me?
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» Okay. Sorry about that. So, I was hoping
to renovate the snack shack at Fairbin

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Fields because um I have been a
volunteer there for a long time. My mom

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volunteered there all like as I was
growing up. So, I got to see kind of and

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I know the parts that work best and the
things that don't work as well. So, I

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was thinking there are different
aspects. I don't know if you guys should

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have pictures in the binder with you.
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» Um that depict different parts. So, one
of them, the biggest part that I would

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need the most approval on would be
painting the floor. Um, the floor has

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seen lots of wear and tear through the
years and I was thinking that that could

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be a good really big refresh for the
whole space.

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And besides that, it's more not
necessarily maintenance, but kind of

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smaller aspects of the space that just
fixing those little bits could really

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help with the overall
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how everything works together and how
different volunteers can use the space.

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So, one of them was there's a coffee
station and for example underneath it's

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a little bit untidy and I was thinking
that maybe if we even just organizing

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that small space could really help um
sorry I'm not finding the words

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but could really just help the
volunteers when they're there and make

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it run more smoothly.
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operation while working there. said you
said you were going to paint the floors.

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Is that correct?
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should also be in the binder somewhere.
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need. I talked to a specialist and they
said that the best paint for the type of

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floor that it that it is would be the
epoxy paint that is shown in the booklet

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» with like the DPW. And I spoke with the
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» and they said that the best course of
action would be to first paint remove

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everything that's removable, which the
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sink and the refrigerator because the
refrigerator is really heavy. So to move

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it out of the doorway on its own is
going to be very difficult. So, the plan

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was paint everything around the
refrigerator and then shift the

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refrigerator over once the paint is
dried and paint underneath.

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» Is Nick here?
>> Nick is here. Nick, come up for a

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second.
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representatives and Nick um to go over
the project ahead of time before

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bringing it to the council and Nick can
share uh some of the observations that

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he had. Yeah, we we had met at the
facility, took a look at the proposed

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project, proposed improvements. Uh we
definitely made some recommendations

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about the type of paint and the type of
flooring uh covering to use and uh you

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know, we were in support of the the
project. Um obviously there's some

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details regarding logistics and
scheduling and phasing and stuff, but uh

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I think we can work through those with
the applicant and uh and come to you

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know the the appropriate action. what
what type what type of support is needed

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from DPW as far as the project goes?
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yet, but uh I think it was basically
just uh you know helping coordinate some

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of the the the relocation of some of the
stuff into maybe the garage and um that

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was basically it. Um it wasn't it wasn't
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» Yeah. Um sacred.
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you've organized the photos because you
can it helps us identify sort of

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stations and you've taken the time to
really do that advanced planning to help

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you make plans how to organize and how
to tackle these sections understanding

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your approach.
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a restaurant renovation and it works
very well and your plan is good and I'm

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sure Mr. Kinski's already supported
that. I would you say that most of these

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other than the floor most of these other
categories there's eight photos is it

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mostly organization and hiding and
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aspects would be building a first aid
shelf. Um, I'm pretty sure that one of

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the pictures shows it pretty clearly
that in the corner near the entry

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there's a fridge and that is where um
the first aid usually just sits there

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whether it's some of the ice packs that
are usually there or just band-aids. And

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that also happens to be the spot, one of
the only like open areas where

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volunteers can put their bags. So, the
plan with that specific corner would be

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to build a first aid shelf to be able to
put the first aid items on and to also

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attach hooks into the walls for
volunteers to be able to have a

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designated spot to put their bags or
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» Great.

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» Um, might have one of them. Is there are
there any costs to the burrow for this

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project?
>> No, because since this is an Eagle Scout

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project, it will all be funded by the
funding. Well, I will fund the project

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by raising money. That's a part of the
Eagle Scout project.

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» Is there anything in the snack shack
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um something used to be in service and
it's broken down and it's being ripped

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out and not replaced?
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no, I don't believe so.
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and some like appendages to the to the
concession area that I guess we can

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review at some point and see if they're
still needed depending on how things are

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organized. But uh generally speaking the
the scope of work was to you know make

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the make the space more safe uh more
user friendly and uh the labor was going

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to be provided by the scouts as part of
their you know as part of the project as

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well as the equipment and material. So
it's it's really just the um uh the

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scouts presentation as part of their
project, the project management side of

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the project and then ultimately
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schedule and scope.
>> I mean is there has there been any

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objection to this project? Has any
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hooks on the shelf at cinder block I
see. Is is is the DPW going to be there

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to sort of help with the drilling into
that because if you it's hard to patch

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it if you do it wrong. Yeah, I'm not
sure um the final layout, but uh we can

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we can give some recommendations to the
to the scout to make sure that they're

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the appropriate height and using the
appropriate, you know, anchor materials

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so that it's it's not pulling away from
the center block or make sure the

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appropriate location makes sense.
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» Yeah. And no electric or plumbing is
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» No, it's uh it's basically just uh I
want to say cosmetics, but it's more

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efficiency and operations type stuff.
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» Just cigarette. Um I said this last
time, but I know you weren't on, but I

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appreciate all the organizational. I've
worked in there a couple times and it

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was definitely pretty disorganized. So I
love what you're doing. The only thing I

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ask is just that Nick does see the final
plan before we move forward and

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therefore yeah the big stuff. But well
done. This was really thorough. So good

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job.
>> Is there a request for signage in there?

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You know
>> signage?

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» Yeah.
>> There should be in the booklet there

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should be there's a specific page that
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» that's signage for the items like first
aid station. I need there's no there's

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no information regarding Boral
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if you're going to put up um signage
just basically dedicating the Eagle

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Scout project just connect with uh
Burough Administrator York because

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there's a standard there.
>> Yeah, we I can coordinate that with you.

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Just um they don't purchase any memorial
signage um ahead of time. We can

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coordinate that together. No, it looks
like she found a problem and is offering

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solutions that are simple and will make
everyone's life easier. So, I'm all for

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it.
>> So, we have a motion.

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» Motion to accept this plan to improve
the Eagle Scout.

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» Thank you, Nick.
>> To improve. Thank you, Nick. Improve the

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snack, the snack check.
>> Second. All in favor?

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» Anyone opposed?
>> Congratulations.

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» Congrats.
>> Thank you. Thank you all.

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Uh, next up we have a request to hold
the annual color run on October 17th.

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» It's going to be November 14th.
>> It's now going to be on November 14th.

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» It was mine. It's picked a long day.
Picked up a long day. So,

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» good. Is that a sat That's a Saturday.
>> Yes. I love the color. I think it's

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pretty fun.
>> Great. I support it.

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» Is it the same people that are running
it again this year that did it last

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year? Lisa by Tally is um has joined us
by Zoom. She's handling it. She's taking

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over.
>> You have any questions? Ask for a

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motion.
>> She's Lisa.

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» Hi. How are you all?
>> How are you? I was getting ready to ask

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for for a vote, but um thank you for
putting this together and thank you to

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the PTA. Uh great cause. Is there
anything you want to add in before we

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» uh No, the event will run similarly to
uh years past. So, um nothing really

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looking to change. We will have a couple
vendors. I connected with Allison and DJ

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about that. Um a couple local vendors,
pliables and a um coffee truck that will

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be stationed at the event and um
donating a portion of their sales back

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to the PTA. So, uh those vendors will be
available. Otherwise, just similar to

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what we've done in the past. It's just a
fun run. Uh it's not a full 5K and a DJ

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and just a fun family day. Are
>> you doing all your advertising online?

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» We are. Yes. I did I did wonder about
signage. Um we haven't done it in the

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past, but if it's a non-issue or if it's
an easy enough thing to offer, we you

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know, of course, we'd love to promote
the event as well. But if you if you're

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thinking about signage, um reach out to
the broker, uh Allison. She could take

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you through the process um to get to get
it on agenda. I mean, it's not the uh

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most difficult uh task, especially if
you're looking for temporary signs for a

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period of time. Um you know, but also if
if you're going to advertise online,

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that's great. And we can support you
through the burrow in doing that.

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» Yep. uh putting it on our um weekly
>> very even weekly we uh we can put it in

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the focus if you if you get it to us in
time and we can put it on our social

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media and the constant contact system.
>> Oh, amazing. Thank you so much.

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Wonderful.
>> Just if you want to just email me that

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information. My email is on the website.
I'm the administrator. We can we can get

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that up.
>> Understood. Thank you so much.

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Do
>> I have a motion to

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» motion to approve Colorado for 2026?
>> Second.

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» All in favor? I.
>> Anyone opposed? All right. Thank you.

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» Thank you all. Have a great evening.
>> You too. Uh, next up we have Fair

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Baseball as a banner request. Fairfield
4. Are you presenting?

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» I really don't have anything. I was just
standing here on board told me to come

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by and see what happen. So, so tonight
we're hearing on there was a request

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made a few months ago to approve banners
that are on Farad Field 4. Um,

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you know, we we we've been in contact
with Fairan Baseball uh on on a

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uh another solution as well that we we
offered to them. We haven't heard back

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from them positive or negative on that.
I think they asked for some more time,

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but in the meantime, there was the ask
to be put on the agenda. Um, so we're

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>> the banner up. We're not doing this, but

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that So,
[clears throat] this is obviously a very

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long story that I don't think we need to
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making, but the signs that are up right
there now on the outfield wall are the

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signs that Ferry Baseball applied to put
out permanent. Those are the those

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that's what we would be discussing
today. What do you mean permanently?

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» In other words, um,
>> I can direct my question to my

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» for permanent sign placement of a banner
that's already up.

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» Sure.
>> During baseball season

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» and when what and
>> on the on the basically what we're

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asking for is them to be more visible
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They're all way on the outfield fence.
>> We just said my question first. The

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banner is up.
>> Banners are up on the outfield.

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» Baseball season ends.
>> Baseball season's over. That's what I

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thought.
>> Well, actually, no. Well, we have fall.

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So, fall starts in September.
>> Okay.

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» So, it kind of runs from say March till
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» November.
>> Yeah. Yeah. March till November.

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» So, the banners that are up, you want
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October, November. Is that we've
>> Right. So right now we have a which is

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separate from this issue but right now
we have an agreement with you for only

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one field to put our advertising banners
to raise money for fairs and baseball in

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the outfield. Okay. Certain amount. Um
we have them out there now. We used to

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have them for the last two and a half
years right on the back stop of the same

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field.
We were asked to take them down this

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year and move them to the outfield. Then
we were asked to take them down from the

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outfield
until this issue was resolved and then

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we're allowed to put them back up in the
outfield again till this issue is

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resolved further. So tonight I thought
what was going to happen was the

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original banners that we get are just
allstar banners for our our all-star

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teams that win specific
um district championships, sectional

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championships within the state of New
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» More than one banner.
>> We have we have a few now. Well, I I

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know the banners that you stack.
>> There's three banners, but different

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different accomplishments on each one
per age group of of the last couple

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years for our baseball teams.
>> This is about three banners.

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» This is three banners in total right
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» But it could be moving forward more if
they win something.

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» If we keep winning, we we obviously get
more banners. These banners are

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» when we keep winning.
>> When we keep winning,

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» they're g these banners are given to us.
We don't make them. They're given to us

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as in by Little League of America.
>> Exactly. So when we this is only when we

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win little league tournaments. So at the
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» you form an all-star team and if your
all-star team goes a certain distance

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» you know you get a but only if you reach
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sectionals states regionals and then on
to Williamsport in Pennsylvania which is

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happening right now.
>> That's happening now. Right.

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» Correct. So, you know, it's quite an
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those are the banners that we had right
outside the dugout and they had the

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names of the kids that were on the team.
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» three of those,
>> right?

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» And you'd like permission to leave them
up through fall ball, which

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» during baseball season, they come down
in the winter.

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» I'm going to say November. Is that
accurate? Yeah,

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» it's good to be specific.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mike.

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» Are the kids names all fair?
>> No. So, we we have um we're in a little

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league with five towns because we don't
have enough teams to make a little

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league. If we did, we wouldn't have a
little league. So, we have Rumson, Fair

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Haven,
um Shrewsbury, Red Bank, and Little

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Silver.
>> And do all the towns get a banner?

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» If they win, but the Allstars, when
Allstars comes about at the end of our

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rec, they divide the town. So, it's
Rumson and Fair Haven play in an

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all-star team. Shbury, Red Bank, and
Little Silver play in another one.

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And then the kids play together from
those towns on one all-star team and the

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other team they call it two little two
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» and then they go from there.
>> The sign that they give you has the

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kids' names.
>> They have the kids' names.

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» Mike, do they mostly practice at Fair
Haven? Are they practicing also at

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Rumson?
>> Both.

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» They practice them.
>> Does Rumson get one also or just

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» They do. They just don't put them up.
>> It's not that they're not allowed to,

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it's that they just don't put them.
>> Okay.

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» They don't have a great spot for them.
We have a nicer facility where people

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kind of walk by. So
>> So you're asking not to put the signs up

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where they currently are. That was just
sort of a I guess an agreement for the

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time being, but you're asking to put
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» Well, well,
>> but I think moving forward, I think this

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is a bigger issue, right? Or the longer
term solution or discussion that he's

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hoping for because it was a temporary
solution to have them moved and but in

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the outfield,
>> correct? So, we're looking to find out

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if they win again, what's going to
happen? Like what's the what what is our

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plan moving forward? Like what's the
>> Yeah. So, the tonight they told me to

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come here because I had been involved in
this from the beginning. I thought that

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what Joe had explained to me which is
the Joe Grogan who's the president of

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Fair Haven Baseball now. He had said you
were going to vote on tonight. I thought

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the banners that we were given um our
championship banner that we were given

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from Little League, you either going to
vote on those to accept them or not. And

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if not, you had an iteration of your own
that you were going to present and then

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I was going to bring that back to Fair
Haven and see what they want to do.

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» So I I can talk on that. That's mainly
correct except for the point of it's

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hard for us to vote on something that
wasn't really um accepted by Fair

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Baseball, right? So they're not going to
push or sign on you,

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» right? So that that's what they were
saying. I guess it was the initial vote

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on the original signs. If that's a no,
then they have to talk to that and then

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talk to baseball.
>> I wanted to put this on the agenda, but

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we didn't hear back from Fairman
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divided response to it.
>> Oh, okay.

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» So that's the feedback that we got. So I
said, well, it's a divided response. I

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made um it clear that I was going to put
the original application which was for

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the current signs on the agenda um for
us to make a decision. Now listen, we

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could extend the temporary
signs. We can vote to enforce the

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current ordinance which is they're not
approved right now. We can approve for

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the signs instead. We could take a few
different turns on this issue. Um you

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know the only everything you said I
agree. The only question I had is I was

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under the impression Rumson doesn't
allow signs.

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» They do not allow signs.
>> Yeah. Rums does not allow signs.

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» I don't think it's a matter of them just
not putting it up. They don't allow

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signs at all. Um just just for the uh
for the discussion because

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um you know we talked about the scout
signage earlier tonight as well with

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cigarette. Um I don't know Allison if
you want to put it up on the screen. Can

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you?
So, we we thought this was a good

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solution. We're willing um you know,
obviously we need we would need approval

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from everyone and we would need approval
appro approval from Fairman Baseball on

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the final design as well, but this we
thought did a very good job celebrating

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the team accomplishments. Um
and that's what we saw it as a team

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accomplishment and uh can I talk a
little bit about the team? I want to be

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clear sort of where I stand. So, thank
you for volunteering and sharing

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doing what you do for the kids. So, I
love the idea of celebrating a team. Um,

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I think back to my alma mater and I
think about the championship the year

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kind of that's it. Um, I don't love kids
names. Um, for a couple of reasons. The

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primary one is when you say it's an
all-star team, there's kids who Romson

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that means that some kids who didn't
make the team and a Rumson kids name.

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It's sort of I don't want to I don't
want to cause a parent to

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» which was the original complaint.
>> That was the original complaint. Yeah.

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So that that's where I'm going. Um it's
obviously telling their kid, but I would

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be I would be most comfortable with just
like celebrate the team. I think that's

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simplest to avoid all that noise. Um
whether it's there or perceived or gets

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to us or not. I think that's the
cleanest um celebration team. That's

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that's my I want to be totally open with
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» Okay.
>> I also one one other thing I I throw

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which I was about to go to is um when
there were signs existing for the scouts

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that were up and we came up with the new
design obviously we'd have to talk to

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the finance committee and burough admin
and CFO but the bureau was willing to

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pick up the cost to replace those signs
with the new version um just so it

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wasn't an expense for fairs and
baseball. um you know we can't do that

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allowed I'll I'll write a check for for
that myself

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» replace it.
>> Yeah. So I listen I I think this is

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starting and uh Councilman Cole has
brought up and I think it's something we

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do need to visit a signed standard. I
think this would be sort of a step in

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the right direction and it would give
the the kids because I heard that from

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some of the parents that you know the
kids would suffer. We give them the

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opportunity to always come back and see
that banner still on that outfield

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fence. Um and we make it big enough
obviously with writing like this because

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you can see um if you go see you know
Loop and all these you can see that

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[clears throat] they write their names
big and I think you would even admit

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right now it's not doing justice for
those banners on the outfield fence. You

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can't really read what's out there.
>> A design like this we think will

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» Yeah. Like like I said again, it's
really going to be something that the

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board has to bring to the baseball
parents. Again, they're the ones that

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are going to decide this. I'm kind of
just in between because I've been here

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since day one dealing with it.
>> Um

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the only thing Well, so just one one
thing you have to consider if you're if

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you're talking about picking up the tab
for this,

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» it might be something you have to pay
for an additional one every year.

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» Yeah.
>> So

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you guys are pretty confident in your
which I love.

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» Well, this is this is the thing because
it doesn't cost Fair Haven Baseball a

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dime now. They give
>> you understand

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that inject.
>> Well, can I can I just say one more

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thing? So, this this one was put
together for the for the I was under the

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impression that one of the banners was a
little bit more

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» accomplishing
away from what the other

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» This is definitely the one we got the
most push back. So, something that we

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sort of discussed maybe for the second
banner was the same sort of look, but it

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would say, and I I don't know what the
actual championship was for the other

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two, but it would it would look like
that and then instead of having its own

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banner, it would say 2024
9U, you know, diamonds white or what

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whatever it is. um 2023 and sort of like
you see in the high school where if you

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see short conference tournament
champions 1984, 1987, 1989 um obviously

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we'd have to find out from our sign
vendor how we accomplish that but that

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might be a way to do it where you're
just adding

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block lettering and quite truthfully I
mean if someone wins the big one I'm I'm

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sure um we'll find a way to get another
>> Yeah. I mean, if you think that this is

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something that could be an added to sign
where you cuz we wouldn't want you guys

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to remake a sign every year. And again,
as long as as long as Fair Haven

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Baseball and the the parents and the
baseball parents are are okay with it

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and then you guys can come to an
agreement, that's what the the message

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I'll relay.
>> The only thing I'll say is the messaging

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I got was these accomplishments were so
extremely amazing.

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» It's a big deal.
>> I hear that.

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» We didn't win one this year.
>> Doesn't happen all of a sudden. you

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know. So, I I don't think we're talking
about an expense that's going to be so

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great. And quite truthfully, like we
paid for the scouts to replace them.

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We're not paying for them going forward.
That's a discussion I think we we'd have

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to have. Yep.
>> Okay. So, that's something that's got to

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be
>> um you you said there's three signs

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» right now. Yeah.
>> And uh what was for first year?

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» 2024.
>> So, it's 2023. I'm sorry. 23, 24, and

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25.
>> You have 23, 24, and 25. How long do you

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normally
uh keep put them up every year?

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» We We put them up in March before the
parade.

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» No, I mean, how many years do you
>> want them up?

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» Would you want the signs up?
>> I mean, if you again,

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» okay,
>> I've talked to Shane over in Rumson. He

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told me something different than what
Chris just told me. Now,

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whatever. It is what it is. I can't
speak for Rumson. That's what I've been

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told. He's on the board with me at True
River.

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» So, True River Little League, I'm on the
board with him. So, but I know that

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Shrezberry has all their banners up.
Little Silver does the same thing. Okay.

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Red Bank would they don't have as many
Crumbs in his whatever they are. But it

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it's it's something that if you go to
other baseball fields, they have these

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banners that they all they put them up
all along their fences all the time. I

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don't know what the relationship with
their town is and and what the rules

410
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:52,320
are. It's all different, right? Every
town is different, but I mean, anybody

411
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,399
who's been in baseball and and
>> can

412
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,960
» So's been in baseball, you can go to
some of these facilities and you'll see

413
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,120
they have a different way of doing it.
Some actually have very neat and tidy

414
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,480
placards when you walk into their
municipal complex. So, it will swing,

415
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,240
you know,
>> but they just have like stuff that's

416
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,919
just on one placer or you can just kind
of take those little

417
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,520
» kind of like your your your names on
your desk there. They come in and out.

418
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:19,679
They slide in, slide out. There's many
options you can do.

419
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:23,760
» Can I ask you, you mentioned um that you
want you would have to go back and talk

420
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:28,080
to the Fair Haven parents about the
proposed change. I I'm just going to go

421
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,679
back to the board and tell them what we
were talked about here and then they

422
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:34,640
would have to if you're taking a vote on
the original science today. I don't know

423
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:36,720
if you're doing that but I have to
basically report back to what your ideas

424
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,640
are.
>> My question is do you consult other

425
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:44,159
Robson parents also because some of
their kids are on that team right?

426
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:48,880
» They have their own banners. They have
the same banners that our kids were.

427
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:52,640
they just don't put them up
on their feet. So,

428
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:58,480
» so
and and one thing I'd say is, you know,

429
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:04,640
I don't agree with personally I don't
agree with R. I think that's too far for

430
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:08,720
the one side. I saw a Facebook post that
came on my your feed or whatever it is

431
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:12,000
for Tin Falls yesterday. I guess they
got some gray money. I want to find out

432
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:17,039
where that gray money came from,
>> but to redo one of their fields. And in

433
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:21,360
the picture, they have similar signs
like we do in the outfield fence. But if

434
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,200
you remember when you guys first came
in, you asked for a certain amount. I

435
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:28,480
think we minimized the amount. If you
asked for 24, we said, "Now we'll give

436
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:32,080
you 16." It was something like
>> it was an agreement that we reuped. It

437
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:35,279
was 32 and you guys went down to
>> we went down. Now Tinf Falls, you could

438
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:40,240
look at these and I'll try and find them
and send them to you. Um, you look at

439
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:44,320
these posts, sign after sign after sign
after sign. And personally, I thought

440
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,679
that's way too far on the other side.
>> Yeah, I've seen it. I didn't feel

441
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:53,360
» I like how we're kind of balancing this
and trying to find, you know, the right

442
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:58,240
aesthetic for our town. Recognize the
kids without also inconveniencing

443
00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:02,880
residents that are playing as well and
might not feel the same way that, you

444
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:07,679
know, some other people do. I think this
would be a a thoughtful solution.

445
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:13,039
Doesn't have to be exactly like that.
That's I think why we asked for some

446
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:16,799
feedback from Fair Baseball as well. Um
but that's that I that's kind of where I

447
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:22,080
stand. I I
listen I have no problem personally um

448
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:25,440
if if the governing body wants to keep
those temporary signs up until like the

449
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:29,760
next meeting when we get a little
feedback that's fine. But I I don't see

450
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:35,039
the current signs as the long-term
solution for the field. I just can I

451
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:40,159
just just one thing and I don't want to
open up a canop because because I've

452
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,159
been doing this and started this whole
science thing beginning. I just want

453
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,840
there are some inconsistencies in town
that we the burough the the board would

454
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:52,640
just very much like to clear up. I'm
sure Chris can probably speak to this

455
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:59,360
too. when we see
agreements being made with like RFH with

456
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:05,039
interlocals, okay, and these are non-
taxpaying people in our town and you

457
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:11,839
have a a a group of of board members in
our town who are taxpayers who all the

458
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:17,359
baseball parents are taxpayers and we do
the majority of the the majority I don't

459
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:20,320
want anybody to get mad as but say we do
50% of the work to maintain our own

460
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:25,919
fields
Okay. And RFH can come in and they hang

461
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:31,839
banners.
They hang pictures of the kids with

462
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:36,079
their names all over the tennis courts.
And they can do seems like they can do

463
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:40,480
more to our tennis courts that they
don't own because of an agreement that

464
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:47,280
was signed than we can do to our own
baseball fields which we maintain. Pay a

465
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:51,119
ton of money for room. do whatever else
you guys want to want us to want to call

466
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:56,159
it, we do it.
>> So, I can address that. Okay. Um,

467
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:58,880
» so
your baseball banners, whatever

468
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:04,240
approved, they were up for two and a
half years. Tennis banners go up for two

469
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:08,640
or three weeks a year. Um, I would say
that all of our taxpayers are paying

470
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:14,800
taxes into the RFA schools. We do have
an interlocal agreement that gives them

471
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:18,880
the uh authority to put those up. Um as
part of that agreement um they funded is

472
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:24,880
it half
>> they they fund they fund half of the um

473
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:28,400
any of the improvements to the um tennis
sports and they also do that 10 months

474
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,200
worth of maintenance to it.
>> So I personally like I I thought of the

475
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,160
other side.
>> So we do all those things too.

476
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:35,040
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

477
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,119
» All of them.
>> Sure.

478
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,480
» So why should we not have the same
rights?

479
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,480
» I hear what you're saying. Like I I hear
what everyone's saying.

480
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,520
» That's the argument. That's that's one
of the biggest sticking points of this.

481
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:49,520
» That's why I think there should be
bigger conversation. I agree with the

482
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:54,160
interlocal. I also kind of go back to
the sign standard. I feel like

483
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:58,880
» I think this is pretty and nice, but are
we trying to just make everything

484
00:35:55,839 --> 00:36:02,880
completely conforming and then but we
are allowing like we're not going to

485
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,800
talk to them to RFH about the tennis
signs. Like where where are we stopping?

486
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,079
Like I just I feel like we're really
inconsistent. We're like picking on the

487
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:13,200
Eagle Scouts and we're picking on these
guys. We're trying we're trying to be

488
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:20,800
consistent. And my answer where I was
about to go was I was trying to think of

489
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:25,760
a single other sign in town that is
brought in

490
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:29,680
and it becomes a permanent sign in our
town. The only other one I could think

491
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:34,079
of was the baseball signs in the
outfield with the advertisement signs.

492
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:38,320
We have obviously Derma Dreams comes in
and Farmers Market comes in. They're

493
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:45,359
asking for signs for temporary amounts
of time. This this this is the tennis

494
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:52,000
team puts up signs for a temporary
amount of time. Um these signs are up

495
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:56,960
always. They're, you know, they're up on
the fence. They're becoming a permanent

496
00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:01,520
part of uh the beauty of our land and
and to and by ordinance

497
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:04,079
» they are supposed to be approved. You
know,

498
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:08,480
» I agree with the approving. I actually
think that there's a solution here

499
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,640
because there's so much goodwill where
everyone's trying

500
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:11,920
» there's definitely a solution
>> fine.

501
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,000
» Yeah.
>> And um

502
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:21,760
many times I've been in this position
before and one of the typical responses

503
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:25,599
is to undertake a design guideline,
>> you know, a revision of the ordinances

504
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:30,160
that allow certain things and then
there's planners and designers that can

505
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:34,240
help you develop those guidelines. So it
doesn't require a trip to council.

506
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:38,560
there's a manual and standards that set
forth and can be administered by the

507
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:44,240
staff. I think a lot of us want to talk
about doing that because we see the pain

508
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:48,720
point with the volunteers and our
residents. We feel the pain point here.

509
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:55,280
I can identify with some of the things
you're saying. I think all of us really

510
00:37:50,960 --> 00:38:01,440
can. Um but we still have to think about
the community as a whole. Um, and that's

511
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,400
and that's a lot to tackle on a one one
night while we're here. So, we're sort

512
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:09,440
of reaching for solutions.
>> No, 100%. I agree. I agree completely.

513
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:12,960
And listen, if this is this was finished
and then I'm sorry,

514
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,160
» it's evidence that like our house is not
totally in order because we're trying to

515
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,240
figure it out on the fly when there's an
application. But I I I do know that at

516
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:24,240
least a bunch of us want to be able to
talk about taking that step to sort of

517
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:29,920
get it figured out so that it doesn't
require this complex trick of having

518
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:34,960
» I I agree. I agree. And listen, it I
think there is a solution here. There's

519
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:37,760
there's not a demand. I mean, I I
thought again you guys were just going

520
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:42,079
to vote on whether the original signs
were even going to be considered. If

521
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,440
not, that was the plan. I had talked to
Joe today. We got to go back and then

522
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,760
I'm sure you guys can come to some sort
of an agreement. I'm sure something

523
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:54,880
» would love to hear from baseball like
this because if it works for if it works

524
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,800
and it it's there through then it's all
>> we don't we don't want to vote on this

525
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:02,320
and say no and then you walk away like
they're not looking to celebrate what

526
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,800
was a really meaningful accomplishment.
>> No, I think they knew that.

527
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,640
» That's why I brought it up tonight
though.

528
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,119
» Yeah. No, no, they they knew that
because Joe texted me that today that

529
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:16,480
what he said was they were going to vote
on the original signs whether it was yes

530
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:21,359
or no. And then this was I hadn't seen
this but they had mocked something up

531
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,480
which is fine. Listen to the reality is
it's probably the baseball moms who are

532
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,760
going to have the most input on any of
this stuff. That's 100%

533
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,560
» to hear from them.
>> Yes. You have to think of the

534
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,960
conversation.
>> Listen, you don't they're the ones that

535
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:39,520
stir the shift. Andrew knows it. I know
it. Anybody who's coaches or does

536
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:45,040
anything on the board, they run
everything from behind the scenes. Can I

537
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:47,599
ask you, are you are you looking just at
Fair Haven 4? You're not looking at any

538
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:51,280
of the other
>> That's it.

539
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:56,320
» You're just focusing on the four.
>> Yeah, that's it. That's the only one we

540
00:39:53,119 --> 00:40:01,040
even had an agreement to hang the the uh
the fundraising manners on.

541
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:05,680
Do we have a um a to-do in front of us
where we need to get through the

542
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:09,920
existing signs for some period of time?
>> After we

543
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,400
remember we were arguing how long the
period whether it was going to be three

544
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,520
years or one year. Do you remember what
we settled?

545
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,920
» I want
>> I just think it was to renew it every

546
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,720
year.
>> Are you talking about the alphab?

547
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:31,280
So, this is it's a separate this is sort
of like do we I think the idea tonight

548
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:34,560
is do we keep them up there until we
have more of a discussion on this?

549
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,040
» That's that's up to the governing body.
I

550
00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:39,119
» will say yes.
>> Say yes.

551
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:43,040
» They have to come down in October no
matter we take them down. We have to

552
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,800
because they'll get destroyed in the
winter. All of them.

553
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:50,640
» They all as I'm listening this I I was
an athlete. I hope my kids to be

554
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:56,800
athletes and I know that seeing that
banner how profound it is for a young

555
00:40:54,079 --> 00:41:00,640
» uh child. So, this is my first time
seeing this. I actually I do think it

556
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,160
looks great, but I know I definitely
want to hear their perspectives from the

557
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,160
board.
>> Um, but as I'm listening, I'm just

558
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:12,240
thinking of trying to find solutions.
Uh, have you ever the Knights of

559
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,400
Columbus, would they hang those banners
in the winter in there

560
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200
» inside?
>> Inside

561
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:22,400
» maybe. And maybe that could be a spot
for those specific banners and then the

562
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:25,680
town could put this on the outfield.
Just food for thought.

563
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,920
» Yeah, 100%. I never asked them about
that, but maybe. Maybe.

564
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,359
» Would it would it be possible for us to
approve those banners through this

565
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:39,760
October
>> and then you can or the members of the

566
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,640
fairy baseball can come back to us and
give us their opinion on this.

567
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:45,920
» But I I
>> I would like to see I would like to give

568
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,839
you that. Yeah, they have a meeting
tomorrow. So, I was just going to tell

569
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:53,680
them how this went
before you just the one thing I want to

570
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,960
bring up that hasn't come up here
>> because he brought up something

571
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:04,240
important which was basically precedent
is making sure that we're consistent in

572
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:10,880
every decision that we make. So why I
also think and council I I hear what

573
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:15,839
you're saying but also you want to be
consistent

574
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:21,680
» because if we allow anyone to put up
what they want wherever they want to put

575
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:27,040
it and
someone puts up something else somewhere

576
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:31,359
else that maybe you you end up in a
position that you don't want to be in as

577
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,640
a municipality. So I'm just bringing
that up. Um, someone's going to make a

578
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:40,400
motion. I thought
>> I'll make a motion that we allow the

579
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:46,800
signs to stand as they are this year
until October and that we revisit the

580
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:50,079
signage in
see what baseball thinks about our

581
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,520
proposed. Sorry.
>> Yeah. You let me know and I'll report

582
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,280
back. I'll get this. I think Joe already
has this anyway.

583
00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:58,480
» You can take it.
>> Yeah. and then um I'll let them know and

584
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,359
then they'll they'll have to get some
people together

585
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:05,520
» just to just to uh well why don't we
vote first? Um all in favor?

586
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:11,520
» I
>> anyone

587
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:16,560
um as it stands now they're good till
October. If we don't vote though on a

588
00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:21,280
[clears throat] new sign or on the
existing signs they're not good for

589
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,880
until there's another
>> I'll let him know tomorrow that they

590
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,680
have to actually get something together.
get in touch with you. I don't know if

591
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,680
they're going to want to do their own
mockup, present it to you guys,

592
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:33,200
» whatever the bouncing of ideas is going
to be back and forth.

593
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:37,200
» Absolutely.
>> And then go by October.

594
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,160
» Uh yes. Okay. I I understand that
completely.

595
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:44,800
» And also just on our end on the science
standards like what are our next steps

596
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,760
to be able to start to put something in
place because I just feel like we're

597
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,480
just going to and I said this last time
like we're just going to keep getting

598
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:54,319
ourselves.
>> That's a communications committee. What

599
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,280
committee is that? It's planning and
design.

600
00:43:55,119 --> 00:44:02,040
» Yeah. I mean, it falls on it falls under
a couple different committees. So,

601
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,040
» yeah,

602
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:11,680
» but I but I think we could um
I agree like we've talked about it

603
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:16,400
enough. Um
>> um we could workshop it, but I would

604
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:20,560
suggest if it's okay, can we talk about
it maybe offline? Yeah,

605
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,520
» we get sort of a process that's because
I think we probably want a professional

606
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,440
here to take his photo so we can look at
what it could the product could look

607
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,160
like.
Okay,

608
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:36,480
» I just don't want it fall on the way.
>> No, I think it's that okay.

609
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:39,200
» Yeah, but planning is prime.
>> Mayor, can we just make one

610
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,880
clarification? Just got a text from
recreation director. Just want one

611
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,480
clarification. So when we say October,
we're going through October 31st or

612
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:49,119
October 1st just only because their
season doesn't go through November 1st.

613
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,839
Just so it's clear. We
>> When does it go through?

614
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,920
» Uh November 1st it goes through. So we
putting the signs through October 31st.

615
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,640
» Do you need a new motion to extend it to
November 1st?

616
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:03,839
» October.
>> So through October October it doesn't

617
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:07,280
even because that we can take them down.
>> Whether the baseball season is going to

618
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:11,280
continue for another week or day from
there that would be in playoff times by

619
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,960
that time, right?
We might not even be home for that. It

620
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,880
might be all the way. So,
>> so we'll we'll we'll I'll make sure that

621
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:23,200
Joe knows they're coming down October
31st. No later.

622
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:26,160
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> I don't know if I can add one more thing

623
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,640
about the Snapchat because I didn't
know. Not that it's going to I just want

624
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:33,119
to
>> uh put it on. We're going to be on

625
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:36,400
public comment on agenda items only
after the next thing. Save for that.

626
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,480
» Oh, I got one more thing. I got one
second.

627
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:47,040
» Yeah, just hang out. Okay. I got One
more. All right. Thank you, Mike. Uh,

628
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:52,880
next up is Bsentennial Hall landscape
plan.

629
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,520
» Welcome back.
>> Are you

630
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,280
» Is the tripod in the
>> Yeah, I'll grab it.

631
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,280
» Thank you.

632
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Is that it?

633
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,000
Think that's good.

634
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:35,280
Yeah,
>> good evening. Um, uh, I don't know how

635
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:38,160
many of you have seen this plan in
different format. Maybe you have.

636
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,640
» Um,
>> is this updated from the last session?

637
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,960
» So, this is the none of it would have
been the same plan you've seen seen

638
00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:51,760
previously. Right. Right. So um so
obviously this work is being taken in

639
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:56,560
conjunction with the uh architectural
improvements that the historic

640
00:46:53,359 --> 00:47:02,720
association is engaged in organizing.
And so um uh I was asked out of a

641
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:07,359
landscape architect to um as you to uh
help with the uh the landscape

642
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:12,640
improvements and um and so this plant
represents um uh basically my

643
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:19,280
collaboration with the uh association
members. And um the overriding concept

644
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,960
here was basically to create something
that would be compatible with the

645
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:29,359
neighborhood while at the same time
respecting um this um uh fairly

646
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:34,079
significant piece of architecture even
though architecturally it's not um you

647
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:38,640
know not the Vatican or St. Paul's
Cathedral, but it um but it really

648
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:41,520
warrants u being preserved. And
certainly from a landscape standpoint,

649
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,040
there are a lot of different strategies
that we could pursue. Um but we we don't

650
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:55,040
want to turn it into a a residential
landscape. Um um and um um and so the

651
00:47:52,000 --> 00:48:02,000
plan does not attempt at to include any
foundation plantings, whatnot. Um the

652
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:08,079
the idea basically being that um um that
it needs to be cleaned up, some things

653
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:12,720
removed, some things um added, but um we
would really like the building to

654
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:18,960
present itself to the street in a in a
slightly more um almost like reverential

655
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:24,240
way. um uh uh obviously it's not a
religious or not providing religious

656
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:30,480
services now but uh but it it has that
aura about it and and so uh we wanted to

657
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:35,839
um to respect that and so the the
landscape from the the front plane of

658
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:44,000
the building out to Cedar um Avenue um
the idea um is to uh actually uh uh

659
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:48,160
transplant uh the two holly trees that
are currently growing in front of the

660
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:52,480
building. So, you actually can't even
see about a third of the building. Um,

661
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:56,000
and so those would be those would be
transplanted to the northern property

662
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:02,319
line, which is to the left on on this
plan. Um, and um, uh, obviously there

663
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:06,240
there also two large oak trees um,
adjacent to the sidewalk that that would

664
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:12,640
be um, those obviously would be
retained. And um the idea being to

665
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:18,960
essentially to simplify um the landscape
and um and to do um to make uh gestures

666
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:26,000
that are appropriate for the for the
building uh while also perhaps providing

667
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:29,920
for um this the uh the site to allow for
other sorts of activities. So for

668
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:35,359
example at the the back right hand
corner that what's proposed there is a a

669
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:41,440
small paved uh um terrace. there would
be an all weather um surface and it

670
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:48,079
takes advantage of what is a bit of lost
real estate um uh in that that far back

671
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:52,559
back corner um and um and actually
pushing both the north and the south

672
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:57,280
along the north south property lines
pushing the bed lines back because over

673
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:02,079
time the English ivy and whatnot has
kind of crept into the the lawn. So, um

674
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:08,240
if there were, for example, at some
point, um interest in erecting a a tent,

675
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:16,480
um you would have a big enough area to
to allow um that that sort of um

676
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:21,760
activity to um to take place. Um and um
uh there's also well, I guess is more

677
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:26,720
part of the architectural um uh plan,
but the the trash receptacles will now

678
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:32,240
be sort of stored behind behind the
building. there's a generator, small

679
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:39,280
generator that will also be behind um
the building. Um and uh so this plan

680
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:45,680
does does add a a brick walkway which is
an extension of the existing uh walks uh

681
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:50,480
to gain access. Um and um from a
horicultural standpoint um um anything

682
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:56,720
that we would be or the majority of what
we would be um adding um would be native

683
00:50:54,240 --> 00:51:02,000
plant material and um and that would
take so there different different ways

684
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:06,000
that would be manifest on the plan. Um
one is again to be respectful to the

685
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:10,720
neighbors since we have obviously a
commercial building to the north but

686
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:16,079
residences to the uh on the other
property lines. Uh uh the plan would is

687
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:23,040
suggesting that we would be adding some
evergreen trees around around the uh the

688
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:27,200
perimeter. Um and um and and in
conjunction with that um other um

689
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:31,280
ornamental
uh plants, but I almost had hesitate to

690
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,880
use that that word because um the idea
would be to take advantage of the

691
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,079
there's a tree canopy there now. So
there's a lot of shade which will

692
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:42,400
actually limit the pallet of plant
material that can be used. And uh the

693
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:48,640
intention is not to create like an
arboritum or whatever. It's really a

694
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:55,200
matter of of accentuating um the uh the
existing landscape that's there which is

695
00:51:50,880 --> 00:52:00,720
basically canopy trees. Um and um um and
also dealing with the the topography uh

696
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:05,280
which both to the uh the north and the
east on this plan uh uh is somewhat

697
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:10,559
precipitous if you're familiar with the
site that the the topography does fall

698
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:15,680
rather quickly. um in in both the
northerly and easterly direction. So um

699
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:21,119
so we'll have to deal with um or part of
the landscape application here would be

700
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:25,920
to ensure that um uh that we actually
stabilize the ground. Right. Right now

701
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:33,040
there are some there's well there's a
combination of uh of i the English ivy

702
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:36,400
some fina there's some native um uh the
native grape vines that are growing o o

703
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:41,920
o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o
over things um and uh and so part of the

704
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:46,400
project would be literally just
simplifying um the landscape and all of

705
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:52,000
this course is done with an eye toward
toward maintenance. Um uh we all know

706
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:57,680
that there is no no maintenance
landscape but uh but I think with the

707
00:52:54,079 --> 00:53:02,720
the proper selection of of plants um uh
essentially well as I understand now the

708
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:07,440
DPW is does the lawnmowing and so we
would still have that as part of the the

709
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:13,839
the scope but um but the expectation
would be that um that the ongoing uh

710
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:18,800
landscape would u probably require like
seasonal like you know four times a year

711
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:22,559
someone would probably a crew of two or
three people would have to walk through

712
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:28,000
with their pruning shears and and um do
a little bit of neatening up. But um uh

713
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:32,800
but the expectation is not to create
something that would uh would require a

714
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:37,440
great deal of um attention. The only
place where there's anything that that I

715
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:42,480
guess you would say is an embellishment
is immediately in front of the building

716
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:48,079
itself where the the ex the existing um
brick uh patio is. Um the idea uh here

717
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:52,960
was again in keeping with trying to
elevate how the building presents itself

718
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:58,400
to the road u um the plan is showing
some low evergreens creating a couple of

719
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:04,160
plant beds that could have perennials um
in them but but but both both of these

720
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:07,280
little little bed areas are smaller than
the area that you're you're sitting. So

721
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:14,240
it's it's really something that could be
quite quite manageable. Um uh so um I I

722
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:17,520
tell everyone I can draw you Versail
Gardens if you want, but if it's not

723
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:24,240
going to get maintained, I'd prefer not
to even get start that. Um and so um so

724
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:30,960
there would need to be a bit of an
ongoing um attention to that that part

725
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:34,960
of it. But um um but it would not be
other than mowing of the grass on a

726
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:41,119
weekly or bi-weekly basis, it would not
require um you know hiring a full-time

727
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:47,440
gardener to to take care of this. Um um
over time um uh with these sorts of

728
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:51,440
plantings and depending on how much sort
of handing does go on, a lot of these

729
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,839
things will sort of take on a life of
their own as you probably know. I think

730
00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:00,559
if we uh select the right the right
plants and especially in the areas where

731
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:04,480
I mentioned previously the northern and
eastern property lines where the

732
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:09,920
topography falls off having some plants
that actually um uh sort of um are

733
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:15,119
allowed to grow to their full potential
actually would be advantageous. Um so in

734
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:19,040
all probability and we've spoken about
the fact that um that with anything like

735
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:24,000
this um in all probability it would be
useful for the neighbors to be um

736
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:28,319
introduced to the to the project uh
before um too much goes on because

737
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:33,599
obviously it's it it is something that
will um that the the visually the

738
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:39,839
landscape it would definitely change to
for the better but um but it would be a

739
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:43,280
change and I know frequently um uh uh uh
we don't want someone coming home from

740
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:47,200
work one and saying, "Oh my god, what
have they done?" Um, and I think it's

741
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:52,640
it's all going to be a very very
positive um uh improvement anyway. And I

742
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:57,280
think it'll it'll really fill in rather
nicely with the uh with the neighborhood

743
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:01,680
and be a nice a nice compliment um
without um without turning it into like

744
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:05,280
an institutional looking looking
structure.

745
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:09,359
» Uh thank you. First of all, if I recall,
you're donating your time as well.

746
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:15,760
Correct. I want to um make sure everyone
understands that. very appreciative. Um,

747
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:21,760
obviously an amazing job. My a few
questions. My the I think the concerns I

748
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:26,720
have are the same as they were the last
time we discussed it. Um, is just the

749
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:30,480
impervious surfaces that we're adding
like you said in the back corner, just

750
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:35,200
to fill the space. I guess my question
is, are we doing it just to do it? Um,

751
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:40,319
are we better off maybe just with with
just the shrubbery back there um for

752
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:44,480
drainage reasons? Um, and then I think
he said there was a brick walkway behind

753
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:48,720
this well that
>> I think those are the two things that I

754
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:51,920
I'd probably reference and just ask the
question whether they were necessary for

755
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:57,599
the plan and maybe they are maybe
there's an idea about you know um you

756
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:01,359
know the theming that we want to put on
there and how we want to use those

757
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:04,720
spaces that I'm not aware of and maybe
they're fantastic. And then you touched

758
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:10,480
on the maintenance that was my other
concern. I didn't know if Nick had been

759
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:15,839
um you know spoken. Yeah. If he was
consulted about if he was raped. Uh it's

760
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:20,799
obviously what I hope. Um as far as
because you know DPW I know you s I'm

761
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:24,880
sarcastic with the botanical gardens but
we did lose a bunch of those trees and

762
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:28,400
some of the things that are there and
it's something every time we put more in

763
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:32,960
we got to you got to worry about taking
care of them. Um, and then the other

764
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,920
thing I want to point out is you talking
about the tree county, you just said we

765
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:39,200
want to maximize the tree county, right?
Correct. Yeah. You don't need a study

766
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,960
for that. That's a great idea. Um,
that's all I have. I mean, I I I love

767
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:48,000
it. It looks beautiful. I just want to
make sure um, you know, there's a reason

768
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:52,079
we're putting in that back corner that
makes sense for Fair Haven. Um,

769
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,280
» like placemaking. I think that, you
know, we always talk about this race

770
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,160
talks about a lot. It does give it just
something like I walked around with my

771
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:02,160
dog. I would have sat there for a few
minutes. like I

772
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:06,640
» it does add something, but it of course
if it makes sense with drainage like

773
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:10,160
obviously that's a big thing. Um but I
the the pathway in the back I do think

774
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:13,119
is good because when we were there for
love where you live day the garbages are

775
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:17,599
on the side and I know that your
intention was to make it so the garbages

776
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:21,119
can go in the back and so it does give
them like a flat surface to be on

777
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:24,559
because they kind if you go there now
they're like very visible on the right

778
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,680
side. So I think that's not a bad thing.
You say we're talking about putting

779
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,640
garbages in the back corner on the
circle.

780
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:34,000
» No, no, no.
>> I see the P.

781
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:42,000
» Can I uh add a couple points to round
out what Stephen has put on offer for

782
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:45,280
council? Um so this plan has been um
presented to the historic preservation

783
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:51,200
commission and endorsed there the shade
tree commission and also supported there

784
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:57,200
and the um facilities committee met with
me Nick and Rich

785
00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:02,559
I think um I don't think you were there
at that meeting but we did talk about

786
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:07,920
the components that were being put
forward by uh ghosting park and they

787
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:10,559
proposed bringing putting a cans to back
which I agree with by ordinance we're

788
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:16,880
not supposed to be able to see them on
the street anyway so they should be back

789
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:22,559
there um and uh the dedicated bicycle
rack there were a couple of things that

790
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:28,160
were um cons part of the list of work
that the local government is planning to

791
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:35,760
do to improve the building and the site
and this landscape plan um uh

792
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:39,920
come included it so it so that it is all
cohesive

793
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:44,720
where for example I'm sorry I left on
where for example the architect um

794
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:50,400
proposed a concrete pad chain link fence
around the trash um at the facilities

795
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:55,440
committee meeting it was discussed by
the engineer and our head of DPW that it

796
00:59:52,960 --> 01:00:01,440
it it's a little was little overkill and
that continuing the brick walk and doing

797
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:07,599
a landscape border to to close was just
a more appropriate design response to

798
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:11,520
the problem that was being solved with
maybe just two big

799
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:16,559
» the back right corner. What's the thing
in that? So that it's very interesting

800
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:21,520
and I what I would say for council is
when you go to look at that site

801
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:26,960
what this plan will feel like compared
to what it feels like now

802
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:33,599
it's easy to not understand how much of
the property is not part of how we use

803
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:37,839
the site now because from the outside
edge of that circle that you can see

804
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:42,319
that's at the line at the lawn it all
drops away and there was a a compost

805
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:47,119
area in a farm that you know the
neighbors just sort of you know it

806
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:51,599
looked neglected and unused and and uh
they didn't see a property line and so

807
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:56,559
you know those things happen. So this
would essentially reclaim and capture

808
01:00:54,240 --> 01:01:00,079
what is the public space that
>> could that be stone dust or like you

809
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:04,400
know you remember we once talked about a
parking lot that was like sort of y

810
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:08,000
» impervious and it had but it had brick
in it also to give some stability.

811
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:11,280
» Yeah. I I'm going to let Stephen, but
I'll just tell you a dry set brick is

812
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:14,960
also it
>> there needs to be a dream future

813
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:18,559
component in that corner whether we
leave it the way it is or do something

814
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,599
to recapture a useful space for our
community and and I'll let Stephen

815
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,440
address it. But the only other thing I
wanted to add is there at the facilities

816
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,720
committee meeting it was discussed
whether or not we need a sprinkler

817
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:32,799
system and we want to go ahead and
incorporate sprinkler system that way.

818
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:38,319
you know, mostly it's has to do with the
lawn, but a drip line in the the buffer

819
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:42,880
will help to ensure healthy growth and
you know, so it's a it's a little extra

820
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:48,880
expense, but it's probably it's a smart
uh it's a smart move to ensure that

821
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:52,720
things, you know, well, your GP is
important. I just want to be consistent.

822
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:57,200
We were with the tennis fors, you know
what I mean? We were thinking about

823
01:01:54,079 --> 01:02:02,000
putting the asphalt path and and we
ended up going with the stone dust. You

824
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:06,720
could talk about that. Yeah, the um
there are a lot of well two things. One

825
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:12,079
is and we may have discussed previously
the principal generator of storm water

826
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:16,400
run is obviously the building itself and
and so the the roof leaders do go into

827
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,720
the ground. I guess we don't know
exactly

828
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:21,920
» on either side of the building
>> there are dry wells there to my

829
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:25,119
knowledge that they're they're actually
operating. I mean what I've driven by

830
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:29,599
when it's raining I don't see any
waterfalls coming along off of uh cloud

831
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:34,880
gutters or whatever. So that seems to be
working. With regard to that the uh that

832
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:39,760
actual patio area, we haven't actually
selected a paver or whatever for that.

833
01:02:37,359 --> 01:02:45,839
But there are um pavers that are
specifically made to serve the same

834
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:49,520
purpose as so-called orus asphalt, which
you you probably had seen. There are

835
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:54,079
these really dramatic um uh
demonstrations of that where fire trucks

836
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:58,799
will take a 4 inch fire hose and shoot
water onto porous asphalt and it

837
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:02,640
literally won't go more than 10 ft. It
just dis because there's so much pore

838
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:07,599
space in the asphalt. Well, there are
pavers that are made to serve the same

839
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:12,799
purpose. They have about a 3/8 inch
joint and you actually put the

840
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:17,200
equivalent of stone dust in that joint.
Um, and so I would expect that this

841
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:21,599
patio area would actually not generate
and it would become its own dry well if

842
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,839
you would. It has a porous base under
it.

843
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:27,599
» That would be awesome. Uh, Nick, just
one question. Does this water He just

844
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:31,543
said we don't know where it goes. Does
it go towards Colonial? [laughter]

845
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,920
» No, it is nowhere near

846
01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:46,319
» I appreciate the question. Can I ask a
couple questions? Um I I also had the

847
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:52,319
same question about stone dust for the
path around the building as well as in

848
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:57,920
that back right hand corner. Are you
proposing to put benches back there? Um

849
01:03:55,599 --> 01:04:02,000
there there is interest and once the
landscape is developed um and we'd

850
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:06,319
actually hope that this would become
part of the sort of fair haven green

851
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:10,480
space if you would and that perhaps
people would want to go and spend time

852
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:14,880
there and so so we would expect that
there probably would be benches um in

853
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:19,200
several locations around the perimeter
where you get literally sit in the shade

854
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:24,160
of of a tree and and sort of just enjoy
the the quiet. So, you mentioned uh

855
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:30,880
mowing the lawn as part of the
maintenance plan. So, all of all of

856
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:36,000
these new plantings and landscaping
designs that you're proposing,

857
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:40,720
who is expected to maintain it? Do you
expect the burrow to maintain it or do

858
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:46,319
you have volunteers that are going to do
this? Well, yeah, like I I I mentioned

859
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:51,680
what the initial installation definitely
requires a bit of attention, but but

860
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:55,200
ongoing I would not expect it to be
something that would have to be done on

861
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:58,640
a uh you
>> mentioned four times a year,

862
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:03,200
» right? Something like that would
probably be be certainly would be

863
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:07,680
necessary. Yeah, that's what that that's
I mean our property

864
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:11,440
» because these are not going to be plants
that that you would need to go out and

865
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:15,520
shape into like little green meatballs
or anything

866
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:20,559
mulched and
>> yeshm

867
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:23,200
» do they take water better than or that's
standard watering the first year year

868
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,440
and a half?
>> Um I think well we would expect that

869
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:32,079
there there would be a um a drip
irrigation system for the for the new

870
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:35,359
plantings. So for the first year or two
that would be that would

871
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,640
» that factored into the cost of all of
this?

872
01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:39,200
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

873
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:44,160
» As part of the investment. Do we do you
have an idea of how much all this

874
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:47,039
» um I'm in the process of of developing
that? But I don't have one for you

875
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:51,760
tonight unfortunately.
>> Is the storm association covering that

876
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:55,680
cost the landscape? It's not the burrow.
>> Yeah. But we'll let you from what I

877
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:00,480
understand.
>> The maintenance is going to be the

878
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:04,160
burrow. The initial installation and the
tree landscaping and stuff.

879
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:09,280
» Just if we had been maintaining this
prop property for the last 20 years,

880
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:13,039
we'd be in the situation anyway if we'd
have to maintain it. So like it's any

881
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:15,520
other burough property. Now we're
actually going to make it look standard.

882
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:19,119
So
>> you know, we're adding one or

883
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:22,240
» definitely I mean it's going to add it,
but this is

884
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:28,000
» a burden on DPW. I don't want that to
happen. And I I have one last question.

885
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:31,760
At your last presentation, I think you
mentioned a vegetable garden.

886
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:36,400
» Did you talk about that?
>> The um uh there were some members of the

887
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:40,640
historic association that thought that
and it's still on the plan to the north

888
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:45,520
here on the plan.
>> Right. Right. So that that that's sort

889
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:51,680
of lingering on the plan. Um but I think
that's probably not as high a priority

890
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:54,720
as as as it was.
Okay.

891
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:59,839
» I don't know how crazy I see a liability
there.

892
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:04,319
» And and other people.
So the discussion and it is lingering.

893
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:07,680
It's just a it's a placeholder for a
thought. It doesn't have to happen. It

894
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:12,226
can happen. It could go in be removed.
It's not a is not a permanent but it

895
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:17,039
could also not go in ever you know but
[clears throat] the the thinking was and

896
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:21,119
correct me where I might be off at least
is the president historic association

897
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:27,200
can talk about it. There was
conversation about historic gardens and

898
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:32,400
the herbs and things that were grown and
used in households

899
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:39,359
in back in the day. And would it be
interesting to have programs that tied

900
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:45,760
in with our history and be able to grow
those herbs or medicinal plants and

901
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:51,000
flowers um to incorporate into some
educational program.

902
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:51,000
» It was more of an educational tool.

903
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:56,880
» Yeah. And perhaps you could get the girl
scouts or the boy scouts and that could

904
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:01,440
be something that they work on.
>> And we could use

905
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:07,039
a really strong. Is this is this an
issue with someone eating burrow

906
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:10,760
produced product and they have some sort
of

907
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,760
» sides?

908
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:16,799
Well,
>> there's always the liability that

909
01:08:15,762 --> 01:08:20,480
[clears throat]
>> I love the idea.

910
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:24,000
» We're not are we selling it? Are we
giving it away?

911
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:28,520
» I don't know what like we said. That's a
lower. It sounds like that's a lower

912
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:37,679
» on the drawing as raised bed
which should be collapsed and remove or

913
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:42,400
it's easy to install after the fact. We
can even just move that discussion to

914
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:46,400
down the road and just come back to it
later to see if it's still something

915
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:52,400
that has merit. I mean at some point
there probably maybe there will be

916
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:55,839
historic images on display and some to a
certain extent there are maybe there

917
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:58,799
will be cuts and maybe maybe that'll
have a place but maybe things go in a

918
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:02,480
different direction and it doesn't have
a place but it could be added later with

919
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:06,159
Google.
>> Yeah, I just two more points. one um at

920
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:10,319
the shade tree commission we did talk
about how he his pruning plan and I

921
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:15,359
really love his approach to pruning
where it's kind of taking some out slow

922
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:19,600
like in pieces so that you can see what
does maybe bloom after things that might

923
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:22,560
have looked like they were dead before
can actually have life. So I loved that

924
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,440
approach and we were talking about how
do we like

925
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,799
» maybe as a burrow also take that
approach on more projects. The second

926
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:33,679
thing is when I went over there the
other day it really does go down. I

927
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:36,960
didn't realize how steep it was. So, I
think that's the big thing for me is

928
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:41,120
just the safety of that and making sure
that that really is stabilized. I have

929
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:44,239
to suspect that that's going to take a
little bit more of the money. Like I

930
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:48,000
think that might be costly a little bit
is the stabilization of that. But that's

931
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:52,640
just me as a person.
>> I want to say garrison or something.

932
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:58,080
» I don't know. So stabilize it.
>> Well, you know the rule with things like

933
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:02,320
that steep topography number one is
don't touch it if you don't have to. Um

934
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,600
and walls are expensive.
>> Yeah. um if you're going to terrorist

935
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:11,920
because once you get started with that
it's yeah that that corner the uh the

936
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:17,360
northeast corner there um um number one
it's not obvious that your property line

937
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:20,480
extends literally within six feet of
that building

938
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:26,320
» and there's a little little chain link
fence that they have um and um it is

939
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:32,400
over a six foot grade change
>> um it's almost a oneonone or 45 degree

940
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:37,040
slope um coming up um at at this corner
So, uh, right now it has vines and

941
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:42,000
things on it and so, uh, when some of
the initial cleanup gets done, um, we

942
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:45,280
should really tell who's ever doing that
stay off of that until the last moment

943
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:50,159
so we can really see what we have to
have to deal. Fortunately, we're not the

944
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:53,840
plan doesn't direct any new storm water,
let's say, in that direction. So,

945
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:58,080
there's nothing that we would need to do
to that would destabilize

946
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:03,440
that. Um, but we'd want to make sure
that that long term, you know, that it

947
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:05,280
takes care of itself. So, um,
>> great. Well, thank you for all these.

948
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,920
Yeah.
>> Um, what's the ask here? Are we putting

949
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:13,199
this by the introduction or are we
voting on this now? Like, what's where

950
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:17,199
are we at?
>> Procedurally, that's why I mentioned

951
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:20,440
that it's been to all the other, you
know, suspic

952
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:32,800
Well, there's pieces. Oh, sorry.
>> It, you know what it is? It's It just

953
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:32,800
seems like we're not in agreement on it.

954
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:39,760
I think you're saying on the final
>> on the final

955
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:45,120
» um you know this the second time I was
at I was at the first presentation it

956
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:48,640
correct me if I'm wrong it seems like it
was this you know the same presentation

957
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:53,600
but we haven't there hasn't been any
changes there hasn't been any motions

958
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:59,440
made to accept and say like you know
remove the vegetable garden or anything

959
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:03,120
like that so you could technically you
know put it on by motion and put some

960
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:07,280
sort of conditions on it.
>> I'll put I'll put a motion to accept

961
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,320
this plan so we can move forward but
maybe take out the vegetable vegetable

962
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:15,679
garden.
>> Do we need Allison? Do we need a

963
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:21,040
introduction and a
adoption for this or no? Because it's

964
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:22,560
going to be what might be it's going to
be expensive, right?

965
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,280
» We're not paying for it.
>> We're not paying for it.

966
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:32,560
» Just a motion.
>> Yeah. possible. Right.

967
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:36,480
» I'll second it.
>> What are we The one question. What are

968
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:40,400
we exactly improving?
>> I The only the only reason I asked is

969
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:42,000
because I heard I heard stone dust. I
you know

970
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:46,640
» I I personally
>> we talked about porous surface

971
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:51,679
potentially like what exactly
>> porous surface. I prefer the stone the

972
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,080
personally the brick just so it's
consistent with the look of what we

973
01:12:53,280 --> 01:13:00,719
have.
>> Um but porous is very important. maybe

974
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:06,159
no ve vegetable garden and make sure
it's you know stable and all the storm

975
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:10,080
water you know root requirements are
part of it

976
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:14,080
» and that we approve historic association
to pay for it is that the other piece of

977
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:15,840
it do we have to say that
>> um

978
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:19,760
» do you know if that has to be
>> well the historic association is already

979
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:23,360
um already presented they're paying for
the project so maybe what I mean if you

980
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:26,880
wanted to put a stipulation in that this
project would be um conducted with no

981
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,560
cost to Burrow, you could put that in
the motion. I think that'd be fair to

982
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:33,120
say.
>> Is there like a list of this is what's

983
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:36,960
in the project like based like you have
the picture obviously and you discussed

984
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:42,400
it. You you have a very great knowledge
of it which I heard, but is there a list

985
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:47,199
of these, you know, this is the
landscaping that's going in. We're

986
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:49,920
putting in 80 linear feet of, you know,
so we know what we're

987
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:54,719
» Yeah. We don't uh we don't have an
official sort of uh bullet pointed.

988
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:59,120
That's my That's my only thing is you
you did a great presentation, but like

989
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:02,640
we're approving more of a concept in my
opinion. I I'd like to just like

990
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:06,239
» a material sheet.
>> Well, a material exactly what we're

991
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:10,320
doing and we come in and we literally we
know exactly what we're approving. I

992
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,880
don't I'm not hearing any push back.
>> No,

993
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:18,080
» I think this is supported
>> n at least 90% by each.

994
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:20,719
» Can we say we introduce it next with the
condition or

995
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:24,560
» I don't even think we need to introduce
it. I think I I'll we'll put it right

996
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:28,640
back on to vote on it. But then at least
we know exactly what we're voting on. We

997
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,320
are changing the burough
>> landscape,

998
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:33,760
» but
>> pretty substantially.

999
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:38,320
» But what we have to understand is there
is a cost to the burrow. So just so

1000
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:42,880
everyone's clear and it's not to to put
the project,

1001
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:46,480
» you know, to bed. It's
>> there will be ongoing maintenance that

1002
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:50,400
is performed by the burough. So the
resolution would right put it by way of

1003
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,880
resolution.
That's something we should have this

1004
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:56,400
whole time.
>> Yeah.

1005
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,440
So,
>> well, we're doing

1006
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:03,600
» but this this would be
>> Well, no, we're really we should have

1007
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:06,880
been because it's overgrown and
>> but I I think it you know a resolution

1008
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:11,920
should encompass that there will be
maintenance that's required of the DPW

1009
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:14,880
workers to
>> and that's an expense that will be borne

1010
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:18,960
by the burrow
>> by by the burrow. Right. I'm not I'm not

1011
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:21,600
saying that should be the the term here.
I'm just saying that it's something that

1012
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:25,440
we'd have to put out there.
>> It's going to be a deterrent. I think we

1013
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:32,159
need to know what we're approving
specifically as a governing body and

1014
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:37,280
also know what those um obviously an
idea of what those costs will be. I

1015
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:42,159
think we already do know, but um
>> I still like the vegetable garden.

1016
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:46,400
» Listen, [laughter]
if if that's if that's put on there, but

1017
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:50,960
at least we know we're voting on that
right now. I don't know what we're

1018
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:53,360
voting on. Exactly what plant and what
>> I listen

1019
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,480
» yeah like what's being removed what's
being

1020
01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:00,320
» yeah I think how much extra footage
we're getting what's native and what's

1021
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:03,520
not native we you know
>> what's being

1022
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:07,840
» Can I ask Nick can you ask Nick can we
ask you a question what like in your

1023
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:12,400
opinion how much extra work do you think
this is going to be

1024
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:17,440
» uh generally speaking uh obviously the
addition of sprinkler system and a you

1025
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:23,120
know soaking hose around the perimeter
plantings There's additional cost

1026
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:28,480
associated with the water um for for the
landscaping and then also uh any

1027
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:32,640
operational type of the sprinkler has to
get damaged or broken have to get

1028
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:35,760
replaced and you know repaired
>> blowing out the system

1029
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:41,280
» um and then winterizing the system in
the in the in the fall and winter then

1030
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:45,679
startup associated with that as well. uh
you know obviously there's existing lawn

1031
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:50,719
mowing that happens uh in and around the
facility um as discussed most of the

1032
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:57,440
plantings that I guess are being
discussed are native plants so hopefully

1033
01:16:52,880 --> 01:17:02,480
they don't need to be replaced or um
much pruning or much attention needed to

1034
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:07,600
them on a on a weekly or monthly basis
is kind of hopefully you kind of plant

1035
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:13,360
it you let it live and then it receds
itself on an annual basis uh with there

1036
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:16,960
could be some costs associated with, you
know, maybe there's a species that

1037
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,800
didn't take it didn't work and have to
it has to be replaced or amended at some

1038
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:26,480
point in the future.
>> Um, you know, square footage wise, um,

1039
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:33,600
you know, mulch, obviously right now the
the the perimeter is is is the way it is

1040
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:38,480
because of the steep slopes. There's
hesitation to do any type of work. You

1041
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:44,080
know, the ivy is obviously
not native, but it it's a good form of

1042
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:47,840
slope stabilization there. So,
>> we didn't really go into treating it or

1043
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:52,560
pulling it out because we didn't want to
cause unintended consequences to the

1044
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:57,360
neighbor without, you know, a solution
to kind of mitigate those things. Um,

1045
01:17:55,440 --> 01:18:00,480
» could we leave the ivy? Could we leave
the ivy in that especially in the back

1046
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:05,760
corners? Is that something that's
possible or is that screw up everything?

1047
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:10,719
It might actually be best to as much as
we don't really like the ivy, but there

1048
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:13,600
are times when it's the right ground
cover. Yes.

1049
01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:17,040
» The the only thing that um I was
confused on Nick, you said a sprinkler

1050
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:21,840
system. I thought you said a slow drip.
Is are those two different things?

1051
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:24,800
» I always drip like with a hose that
would just

1052
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:27,760
» that would be for the border where the
>> Yeah. I didn't know if there was a

1053
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:31,520
discussion about, you know, sprinkling
the lawn area and then a soaker hose in

1054
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:35,280
the landscape beds. I thought that was
maybe what it would be that I didn't see

1055
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,760
an irrigation plant.
>> Okay.

1056
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,760
» Is is there underground sprinkler
systems being put in?

1057
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:40,960
» Yes.
>> Yeah,

1058
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:44,800
» there are.
>> I think that's what they were initially

1059
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:49,719
discussing earlier.
>> I was I was I was against the

1060
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,600
» curious.

1061
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:04,719
Pardon me. Are you replacing water?
>> Um well any lawn work would be dependent

1062
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:10,080
upon uh how much um disturbance uh
resulted from the the planting or

1063
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:15,600
construction activities. And so um in
all probability we would just um seed

1064
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:19,440
over the existing lawn. Soding the
entire property would be sort of

1065
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:24,320
prohibited costwise and is really not
actually even necessary. Um, but having

1066
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:31,199
a drip irrigation system for the
plantings is really if you're investing

1067
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:35,520
in plants that first year is um I mean
>> you all know you try to go out and water

1068
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:40,159
all your trees or whatnot. Um it's it's
it's a cost effective way of it's an

1069
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:47,280
insurance policy on your plants. Um
>> so um but you're correct. There's a uh a

1070
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:51,440
cost just for the water. The uh drip
systems of course are the most efficient

1071
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:53,440
because they're not throwing they're
delivering it where where you need it.

1072
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,400
Um
>> drip systems work for grass.

1073
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:00,000
» Pardon me.
>> Can drip drip systems work for gr for

1074
01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:02,880
lawn or just
>> No, it would just be for the just for

1075
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:05,840
the shrubs. Yeah, the lawns would have
to have the popup.

1076
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:09,040
» So that's a good example. Like I just
don't think we even knew what we were

1077
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:13,040
going if we can get a list of everything
that's being done for this project. It

1078
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:16,800
goes back on agenda. Our next meeting is
three weeks. Alison

1079
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:20,960
» September 14th. September 14th. I'm
assuming there won't be any huge issues,

1080
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:24,560
but at that time we couldn't really look
at it. Um,

1081
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:28,640
» let's confirm Steve can generate that
and because we were also trying to

1082
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:32,800
» No, I'd be happy.
>> No, no, Mayor the 14th police swearing

1083
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:37,840
in that night too. Said it's going to be
a long meeting just to

1084
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:42,239
» but what we can do is have as um it's
really it's a

1085
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:45,199
» it'll be in our detail and stuff like
that. So it'll be available. Is there is

1086
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,400
there
>> I think what you're saying is important.

1087
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:52,560
Um and I just want to give some context
though because I think for me we've been

1088
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:56,880
talking about this on the historic side
of things for years. So I'm like I guess

1089
01:20:55,679 --> 01:21:01,840
I'm a little eager to get it done
because it has been kind of just fixing

1090
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:04,560
up bsentennial hall in general. So but I
think what all your points are important

1091
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,360
and that's a good thing for us to see
before we

1092
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:11,199
» Is there a timing issue on getting the
plants in the ground? Yeah.

1093
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:17,840
» Is this a spring thing now based on the
timing? um um anytime you know

1094
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:23,520
traditionally um September 1st until
snowfall is our prime time. So we would

1095
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:27,840
like to move this forward.
>> Let's say we gave approval. I'm talking

1096
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:33,520
to everyone here. Um you know is this
something that the does this go to bid?

1097
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:37,199
I mean they're paying for it themselves.
I I'm trying to figure out timing though

1098
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:41,440
like do I need to rush to put this on a
meeting when we might have a very long

1099
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:44,239
night. Um, or could I put it on a
meeting two meetings from now? I just

1100
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:50,159
want to make sure I'm moving the right.
>> We need to get this moving as soon as

1101
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:53,600
possible to get the the trees that need
to be eliminated eliminated and get what

1102
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,960
we need to get in the ground before it
gets too.

1103
01:21:55,679 --> 01:22:02,000
» That's what I'm saying. We're trying to
do this for the fall.

1104
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:05,760
» Yeah. This has been going on.
>> So, so our plan right now is to put it

1105
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:10,719
on the next meeting. Assuming that we
get that list and it gives us time as a

1106
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:15,520
group to look at it, we'll um it'll be
back on workshop, right, Alison? Or or

1107
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:20,639
would you put it in a different
>> It could go if we're doing a resolution

1108
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:22,960
just to bullet point by this, it's being
maintained by this.

1109
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:27,120
» No, but the problem
>> we do that then there's going to be

1110
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:29,920
there might be some items that they take
out of the

1111
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:35,520
» we can workshop it and list a resolution
and if nobody agrees then we resolution

1112
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:39,600
» that sounds great. Good to go.
>> Thank you so much. Thank you.

1113
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:44,239
» Appreciate it. We'll move forward.
>> All right. Uh, next up, that was a very

1114
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:50,639
long minute. Mike, come on. Back up.
Public comment on agenda items only.

1115
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:54,159
» Yeah, I'm just wanted to make a couple.
I did not know that Secret was going to

1116
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:59,920
make that presentation, but I think it's
a good thing. Just two suggestions.

1117
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:04,607
» Um, the soccer and baseball use the
Snapchat the most, I think, during their

1118
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:06,080
season. soccer for shoot.
[clears throat]

1119
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:11,360
» I think you guys might want to just
touch base with the Steve Cop who I

1120
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:14,960
think runs soccer and probably Fair
Haven baseball

1121
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:18,639
» just to go in there. I don't personally
um baseball didn't use the Snapchat for

1122
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:22,960
many years. When I took over, I opened
it back up. I ran it for about two and a

1123
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:27,679
half, three years myself. There's there
is quite a bit of stuff. If if Cigar is

1124
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:33,360
going to go into this and and move some
machinery around, repaint the floors, I

1125
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:37,120
I don't think there's that much that
needs to be replaced as far as big

1126
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:40,239
ticket items. Again, I also don't know
who's responsible. I know Chris and I

1127
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:43,199
have talked about this. I never got a
clear answer about who's actually

1128
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:47,120
responsible for the equipment in there.
I fixed a couple of the machines myself,

1129
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:52,159
got them working. The hot dog machine
and pretzel machine are working now. Um

1130
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:56,000
the refrigerator in there is enormous.
It is definitely on its last legs. Okay.

1131
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,560
Not that it has to be thrown away and
replaced.

1132
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:02,719
» If you're going to go through this
process now, I think a couple things

1133
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:07,920
should be looked at. Again, touch base
with maybe soccer. They definitely use

1134
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:11,679
that place every weekend, right? I don't
know if baseball's going to continue to

1135
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:15,760
use it. It's it's really up to them. If
somebody has the initiative, they want

1136
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:22,080
to do it, they'll do it. But generally
baseball has it from March until

1137
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:25,280
about the beginning of the summer. Well,
I don't even think so. No, soccer takes

1138
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:28,480
it back over, I think.
>> Does it drive any revenue for baseball?

1139
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,080
Like when you do it or not?
>> It does. It does.

1140
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:35,520
» It does.
>> It It takes a lot, but um

1141
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:39,760
there there's a lot of rusty tables in
there. There's some machines that need

1142
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:42,639
probably someone to look at. Like I
would get a refrigeration guy in there

1143
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:46,560
to look at that refrigerator and maybe
just clean it up a little bit. It's

1144
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:50,800
rusted to hell. All the tables are
rusted to hell. There's a giant leak

1145
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:55,679
under the main sink. So, she's going to
put in the time to epoxy that floor.

1146
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:58,000
» That leak's got to be fixed.
>> Can I make a suggestion?

1147
01:24:57,923 --> 01:25:00,560
[clears throat]
>> Um, in secrets process, she's an Eagle

1148
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:05,440
Scout
>> fan. I love that she's doing that.

1149
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:10,800
» But, but what you're talking about could
conceivably be too much for Scout

1150
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:16,159
» 100%. But what Secret could do is
interview these key leaders with the

1151
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:21,040
group and then generate a report for
council that would identify and maybe

1152
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:23,520
get Nick to to run it by Nick too to
identify.

1153
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:27,840
» I'm not sure if DJ's still on but he's
been coordinating with the other group

1154
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:32,239
discussing all those those details. So
maybe he wants to speak to that.

1155
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:37,199
» Yeah, maybe too. Perhaps Sacred could
identify those improvements or you know

1156
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:42,800
maybe investments is a better word so we
could consider investing over time

1157
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:45,360
because I don't think we could do all of
it at once.

1158
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,880
» No, it's just just things to consider
would help.

1159
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:50,800
» But I think Mike you bring up a good
point. Even the you know this the sink

1160
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:55,440
leaking underneath that's something we
can have DPW you know now we know about

1161
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:58,800
we have DBW followup in our facilities.
>> Yeah. you guys are going to be putting

1162
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:02,960
in this kind of effort if DBW is going
to move this stuff for her to have

1163
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,960
access to do all these repairs and
cleaning and organization.

1164
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:07,600
» Yeah,
>> might be time to get rid of some of that

1165
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,120
stuff.
>> And and there's a freezer. Fair Haven

1166
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:14,719
Baseball bought like a thousand deep
freezer that's sitting in the actual

1167
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,480
garage right now.
>> Maybe there's things that can be removed

1168
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:22,639
there so you guys can move that into the
space so everyone can use it and then

1169
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:26,560
the garage has more space too because
the BW utilizes the garage.

1170
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:31,199
There are some things and I think a
couple people that you should probably

1171
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:35,360
talk to, especially soccer that may be
able to help her with some things what

1172
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:40,000
to look at because these are the people
who use it the most.

1173
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:43,520
» All right. Thanks guys. I'll talk about
this on Wednesday. Thanks.

1174
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,800
» Take care.
>> Anyone else public comment on agenda

1175
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:53,920
items only?
>> Yes, I stand for fair. I just want to

1176
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:57,199
know for new business introduction of
ordinance. Is this the time to be

1177
01:26:55,440 --> 01:27:01,840
talking about that or wait? Yes,
>> it's okay. So, I just had some questions

1178
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:06,239
about the
ordinance for the fire truck, which I

1179
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:12,639
think is great that we have this $1.4
million in our coffers. I guess my

1180
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:18,880
question is how long do we keep excess
money that's been

1181
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:24,239
left over from a previous bond? How long
do we keep it in our own bank account?

1182
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:29,199
» Are we paying interest? Are we paying
interest on that money? Like some of

1183
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:35,120
this is goes back to 2017.
>> So $50,000 that we've had we borrowed in

1184
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:37,360
2017.
We're paying interest on it for nine

1185
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,639
years.
>> So we

1186
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,320
» and then we're going to
>> I can answer some of this and then jump

1187
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:45,760
in.
>> Okay. So literally just

1188
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:48,960
» as as long Good question. As long as the
bond deducting, we're paying interest.

1189
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:52,159
Whether we have it sitting aside, we're
also earning interest if it if it is

1190
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:57,120
sitting as something,
>> but whether we spend it or not, we're

1191
01:27:53,600 --> 01:28:04,800
paying interest. Um I think there's a
legacy aspect to this um that has caused

1192
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:09,440
um some of the accounts to build up
longer than might be normal. Um it's

1193
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:12,639
nothing nefarious or anything. It's just
just they were sort of lingering. I

1194
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:17,120
think administrator York has done a
great job along with our CFO of

1195
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:22,080
identifying it and cleaning it up. One
thing that this is maybe news to some of

1196
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:25,679
us, but one thing that's that Minister
York and I picked about is maybe taking

1197
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:28,639
some of the money and paying down the
debt.

1198
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:31,440
» Well, that was reduce the interest cost,
>> right? We have an extra $5,000. Why not

1199
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,920
just
>> Yes, we're return and not pay interest

1200
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,199
on it.
>> It's it's not always an easy. So, when

1201
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:41,360
you sell a bond, you make an agreement
with the investor that you're not going

1202
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:43,120
to um pay down the bonds early for a
10-year period.

1203
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:47,760
» Okay?
>> Typically, on our last deal, we

1204
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:53,280
negotiate a seven-year lockout.
Um but there might be other ways uh to

1205
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:55,360
do it, which are a little more advanced,
but but it's not impossible,

1206
01:28:55,036 --> 01:28:56,880
[clears throat]
>> but that's something we're talking

1207
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:01,280
about, right?
>> Because some of these monies are not a

1208
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:05,360
lot. $700,000 is a big chunk of change
to be paying interest on. even if we're

1209
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:08,480
getting interest, we're probably not
getting what we're paying.

1210
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:11,920
» Yeah, Bill, just and just to add to I
mean, I've obviously been here almost

1211
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:16,159
two and a half years now. There was a
lot of cleanup that had to get done when

1212
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:19,360
I did arrive. Um, and last year was
towards the end of uh Councilman

1213
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:22,960
Olsson's term as chair of finance
council. We had this discussion about

1214
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:26,400
going through all of the bonds and
determine what money was still left.

1215
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:30,320
Should money have been left in a bond
from 2017? No, that's that's certainly

1216
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:33,840
too long. So, there was a lot of cleanup
that had to be made and Nancy and I

1217
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:38,080
spent a good portion of this year going
through it uh to find it. The fortunate

1218
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:42,400
thing is we were able to find the
funding out of these bonds to be able to

1219
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:45,679
pay the fire truck without having to do
permanent financing for us. That's a win

1220
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:49,520
for everybody. And just adding on to
what Councilman Olsson said too. Um and

1221
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:53,199
I know Councilman Deelli who's the
shared finance council, we've had the

1222
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:56,639
conversation as well about it. Um to be
able to use that other money to pay down

1223
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:59,760
the debt and so a lot of that you those
payments did not hit the tax roles. It's

1224
01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:02,480
another win for the taxpayers as well.
So, I think we're making a lot of good

1225
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,239
moves and with the support of the
council.

1226
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:09,239
» Great. Thank you very much.
>> Thanks, Bill.

1227
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,239
» Public comments.

1228
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:16,320
I
I came uh because I have some questions

1229
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:23,040
and a few
>> I'm Kathy Myum 91 Princeton Road and I

1230
01:30:20,639 --> 01:30:31,440
live on Princeton Road and I know you're
thinking about ordinance 2026-11

1231
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:38,159
and I'm home during the day and cars
from the school actually don't haven't

1232
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:46,800
parked on my street uh is my observation
which I wanted to share. And I wondered

1233
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:51,679
if um perhaps uh the uh Princeton Road
could either be left off of the

1234
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:57,920
resolution or if you're thinking that
the kids will force be forcing

1235
01:30:55,679 --> 01:31:04,639
themselves to park further down that
way. Also on Harvard Road, we've noticed

1236
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:12,560
that they don't tend to park on Harvard
Road either. is our observation when we

1237
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:16,000
go around the block to walk the dog. Um
so that's just food for thought.

1238
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:19,280
» Mayor, do you want to add to it?
>> Sure. So um

1239
01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:23,360
» so if
>> so we have a so we have the chief's not

1240
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:27,920
here tonight but Lieutenant Dra is here
and we could just discuss um so going

1241
01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:32,719
back several months ago um we did put no
parking on Cambridge and we did pretty

1242
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:36,880
about a little over a week and what and
the reason why we had the no parking

1243
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:40,159
there was to determine will the students
just not park on Cambridge or they're

1244
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:43,360
going to park somewhere else. Um what
happened when we did prevent the parking

1245
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:48,000
on Cambridge, they did park on
Princeton, they did park on Harvard,

1246
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:50,960
they did park on Oxford and they do
every day still park on Ruckers. That's

1247
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:55,360
one of the other spots as well. So they
did shift. Um the concern of why the

1248
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:58,239
ordinance was presented in the way it is
>> is because if we do restrict on those

1249
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:02,159
streets, they are just going to shift
down and park on those and then it push

1250
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:04,880
it doesn't solve the problem. It pushes
the problem to the other residents and

1251
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:08,000
now they're having the same quality of
life issue that the residents on

1252
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:12,719
Cambridge are talking about and some of
the residents on Ruckers. So that's why

1253
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:15,679
it's included. Um, but again looking at
it and I think the council when they

1254
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:20,719
were addressing this looked at the most,
you know, you know, non-restrictive way

1255
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:24,639
to do it and rather than like Rumpson
did two-hour parking or um or just not

1256
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:29,199
having any parking at all, they did
three-hour parking. So essentially, you

1257
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:32,880
know, if you if you live in that house,
you don't really have to move your car

1258
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:37,679
until 10 10:00 a.m. because you have 3
hours it can be parked in that zone. And

1259
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:41,199
if you go out during the day, like you
come home at 12:05, you know, you don't

1260
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:44,800
have to move your car either. So it's
only 3 hours. You can't be parked there

1261
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:49,360
for more than 3 hours. It's probably the
least restrictive for anybody who's

1262
01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:54,880
there going on if they're concerned and
>> right shifting the problem

1263
01:32:51,120 --> 01:33:01,199
» changed people's uh motus operandi I
must say in great in in quite a big

1264
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:08,320
fashion
um from what their habits are in the

1265
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:14,800
past not only for the people who live
there uh some people uh have especially

1266
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:19,199
live on corners they have two entrances
to their homes and that kind of thing

1267
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:22,400
and they they park. Right. I know my
neighbor park has his

1268
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,280
» and we're not preventing parking. I
mean, you're still allowed to park on

1269
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:29,360
the street. You just can't leave your
car parked in the same location on that

1270
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:32,239
street for more than 3 hours.
>> Well, I understand.

1271
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:37,679
» So, so my other my other
>> it's only between 7 and 3.

1272
01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:43,679
» I understand. And people also have
workers in their homes and things like

1273
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:49,840
that who need parking. Um on our street
they have nannies and other workers.

1274
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:53,440
» That's why we didn't want to go to the
permit system because of things like

1275
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:58,080
that.
>> I the one thing I'll say is every action

1276
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:00,080
has a reaction,
>> right?

1277
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:04,560
» Move things around and it'll be a
reaction to that, right? And we're going

1278
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:09,920
to take that feedback and data and bring
it back up here. And if we need to make

1279
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:14,480
further changes or or um you know slice
the apple,

1280
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:19,679
» let me give you some other thoughts that
mean very important to me. I was also

1281
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:24,480
wondering about the amount of signage
that's going to be placed and the

1282
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:27,600
spacing of the signage
>> in order to make the message.

1283
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:34,960
» So I can answer that real quick.
>> I'm very concerned about visual

1284
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:40,080
uh site pollution and making the message
clear without having lots of signs.

1285
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:44,080
» We won't have any. So what so um we
spoke with the prosecutor to determine

1286
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:47,440
what was required for signage. Okay.
>> Uh technically we don't have to put any

1287
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:50,800
signage there as long as we advertise
the ordinance. We are not required to

1288
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:54,960
put any signage there for being forced.
Um we did decide we probably should have

1289
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:59,199
signage there so people are aware. So
there will only be two signs on each

1290
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:02,960
street or at the entrance. Ruckers will
only have one because it's a culde-sac,

1291
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:06,480
but all the other streets only have one
at each entrance. So, there'll be the

1292
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:10,480
least amount of signs possible. Again,
because sign pollution was certainly a

1293
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:14,080
concern for us. We did want to change
the character of the neighborhood.

1294
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:17,520
Again, we don't have to put any signs
according to the prosecutor, but again,

1295
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:22,000
so people are aware that the fair thing
to do with the minimum amount. So, um

1296
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:24,000
the entrances to the streets, so the
most would be two on each.

1297
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:27,040
» Perfect.
>> Okay.

1298
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:30,400
» Solves that problem.
Kathy, one other thing because we care

1299
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:33,520
about the same things you care about.
>> Oh, right.

1300
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:36,239
» But hopefully this forever,
>> you know,

1301
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:38,080
» this is what I would I had that also
here, but I wasn't going to ask.

1302
01:35:37,865 --> 01:35:43,280
[laughter]
>> Yeah, we will see. But

1303
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:46,400
» yes, I know they want to get on the road
and [clears throat] go

1304
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:50,639
» their ways.
>> I have a lot of the same concerns as you

1305
01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:55,360
and I still have them. Um, but I do know
something has to happen.

1306
01:35:52,159 --> 01:36:00,159
» Yes. for I hope it's not too horror on
you guys and maybe the school will come

1307
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:02,960
up with their own solution which will
eliminate all of this inconvenience for

1308
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:07,840
our res.
>> Oh yes.

1309
01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:11,360
» Yeah. Continue for those people on
Cambridge or Rers. I know that's

1310
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:15,040
terrible.
>> Okay. Thank you for clarifying that.

1311
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:20,760
» Thank you. Is there anyone else with
public comment on agenda items only?

1312
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,760
Alison.

1313
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:27,040
» All right. We're going to move to
approval of minutes July 27, 2026

1314
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,800
special meeting. Do I have a motion to
approve?

1315
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:33,800
» Motion.
>> A second.

1316
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,800
» Alison, may I please have a roll call?

1317
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:36,480
» Yes.
>> Pot?

1318
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,520
» Yes.
>> Mi?

1319
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:41,199
» Yes.
>> Olson?

1320
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:44,480
» Yes. Uh July 27th, 2026 executive
session. Motion to approve.

1321
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:48,480
» Motion second.
>> Alison, may I please have a roll call?

1322
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:50,719
Council on Miss Selling, yes. Cotch,
>> yes.

1323
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:57,920
» Yes.
>> Uh July 27, 2026 regular meeting motion.

1324
01:36:54,639 --> 01:37:04,800
» Motion to amend.
>> So I So I have a motion to amend. Um

1325
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:10,159
it's on page eight, line nine.
It says that um

1326
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:14,800
» hello.
>> So it's it's

1327
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:18,960
» 27 page. It's the second start second
paragraph. Council me has to step back

1328
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:22,880
on this. There's something needs to be
done. She refers to the mayor's comment

1329
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:27,360
methodically debating this matter for
five years and stated that this is the

1330
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:30,800
first time she ever heard about this.
And that is not what I said. I didn't

1331
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:36,080
say this was the first time I ever heard
about this. I said this the first time

1332
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:40,159
we are debating this issue. And I think
there's a big distinction there.

1333
01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:44,480
» So I'd like to make that change.
>> I'll second that. Have you guys moved?

1334
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:48,560
objection. [laughter]
>> That's all I have. The motion to approve

1335
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:53,119
or is that done?
>> We need to do we need to we just approve

1336
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:58,639
it with that change. Alison.
>> Yeah.

1337
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:02,400
» Motion to approve the amended
minutes.

1338
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:03,760
» Alison, may I please have a roll call?
Council

1339
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,040
» members call.
>> Yes.

1340
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:08,719
» Dell.
>> Yes.

1341
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:12,320
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1342
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:15,360
» Yes. make an important point where
Allison who made the motion for the

1343
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:18,000
special meeting.
>> I know I did.

1344
01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:21,280
» Yeah, she wasn't there
>> and I wasn't there. I think Elsa would

1345
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:26,000
have flagged it if it was a sticking
point. But that was me, Alison.

1346
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,520
» Yeah, she made the council made the made
the motion seconded.

1347
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:31,040
» I did.
>> And she wasn't at the meeting, didn't

1348
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:38,320
vote the special meeting. So, should we
redo that?

1349
01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:41,440
» Tell the executive the special meeting.
>> Yeah.

1350
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:45,040
So, I'd like to make a motion to approve
the special meeting next.

1351
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:48,600
» I'll second that.
>> Please have a roll call.

1352
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,199
» So, [clears throat] you're talking about
the tan.

1353
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:56,080
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1354
01:38:53,520 --> 01:39:00,960
» One of the people
special meeting.

1355
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:08,400
» Wow. That was a good casual.
>> I picked sens as soon as they did and

1356
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:14,400
then she went to the next. I who thinks
that

1357
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:16,400
» so the quietest guys listening
to good

1358
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:20,719
» okay
>> thank you uh next up old business

1359
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:24,159
hearing and adoption of ordinances
2026-11

1360
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:28,480
supplement burough code chapter 7
sections 15 and 20 have a motion to open

1361
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:31,520
» motion
>> a second

1362
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:35,199
» all in favor
>> anyone opposed anyone up here have

1363
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:39,119
anything on this
>> I think it's a great compromise

1364
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:43,360
Um, you know, as we've all talked about,
there's lots of push and pull on a lot

1365
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:49,679
of these issues. We're trying to make
the best of an imperfect situation. It's

1366
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:53,199
not forever, hopefully. Um, so I really
think it's we've all done a great job of

1367
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:56,400
finding a counselor.
>> Yeah. And one thing that I've said

1368
01:39:54,639 --> 01:40:00,159
before is that, you know, I have some
concerns. Um, but I'm willing to try

1369
01:39:58,639 --> 01:40:04,560
this because something needs to happen.
I just want to make sure that we are

1370
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:08,159
looking at what's actually happening and
evaluating it very regularly because it

1371
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,920
is going to affect a lot of people in
town.

1372
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,639
» It is.
>> Yes.

1373
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:16,960
» Anyone in the public have anything on
this?

1374
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:20,560
Allison, anyone along?
>> No.

1375
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:23,199
» A motion to close.
>> Second.

1376
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:27,119
» Uh, all in favor?
>> Anyone opposed?

1377
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:33,000
Uh, do I have a motion to approve?
>> Motion. Second. Alison, may I please

1378
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:33,000
have a roll call?

1379
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:41,679
» Hold on. Go back to who offered
>> Betsy then Tracy.

1380
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:45,840
» Council member.
>> Yes. Sell. Yes. Cotch. Yes.

1381
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:52,719
» Yes. Alson.
>> Yes. Um and B administrator York. I

1382
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:57,040
assume we're going to get notice over.
Um,

1383
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:59,840
» I already have a thing to
>> Yeah, we're going to we're going to

1384
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,760
we're going to email. We also send a
certified as well.

1385
01:41:00,639 --> 01:41:05,679
» Can't claim that they didn't.
>> We're certifying the streets

1386
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:07,679
» like every street affected.
>> Yeah. Okay.

1387
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:12,239
» Yeah. But we're going to send the
correspondence for the um ordinance that

1388
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:14,800
was approved tonight to the school both
email. We're also going to certify mail

1389
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:18,719
as well.
>> The residents aren't getting individual.

1390
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:23,520
I'm sending it to
at least the residents that attended the

1391
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:26,960
last meeting. See, I think spread the
word of it, but I don't think that I

1392
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:29,280
think it's going to be in our social
media. I

1393
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:33,040
» I think that's not enough because this
is a big change for every single person

1394
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:37,199
on each of the college streets. I think
it needs to be they need to get a letter

1395
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:40,480
in their mailbox or something. This is a
big change. I mean, as you said, it's a

1396
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:43,119
lifestyle change. So, I think that we
need to be better about getting it into

1397
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:46,320
every resident.
>> Why don't we discuss that in the

1398
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:50,880
communications meeting? When's our next
communications meeting? We don't

1399
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:54,480
» I mean we could I mean if we're looking
for postage and we want to we and want

1400
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:57,760
to send a mailer to each house as well.
We could certainly do that. I mean if

1401
01:41:55,920 --> 01:42:00,320
that's if that's what we do,
>> you know, we want to if we want to pay

1402
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:05,920
for postage and send it, we can
certainly do.

1403
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:08,400
» I'd be happy to help other
we can just mail, you know, we did

1404
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:13,520
postage on and mail it.
>> That's it's something we'll need. Right.

1405
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:19,280
» Uh, new business introduction of
ordinances. Uh, 2026-12 bond ordinance

1406
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:21,920
reappropriation for acquisition of new
fire truck. Do I have a motion to

1407
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:24,400
approve? Motion.
>> Second.

1408
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:27,639
» Alison, may I please have a roll call
that was

1409
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,600
» members?

1410
01:42:34,639 --> 01:42:41,520
Yes.
>> Yes. Thank you. 2026-13

1411
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:44,960
repeal ebike regulation ordinance.
>> I think it just you maybe want to say

1412
01:42:43,679 --> 01:42:47,119
there's a state law.
>> Yeah.

1413
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:52,191
» And it's been superseded.
>> Superseded by state law. It's a good

1414
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,191
word there. Mayor [laughter]

1415
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:59,119
» Alson, may I please have a roll call?
>> Call.

1416
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:05,891
Yes. Yes.
>> Yes. Uh thank you. Uh, next up, consent

1417
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:10,400
agenda resolutions 2026 175 through
[clears throat] 2026-190.

1418
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:13,119
Um, before I ask for a pin, does anyone
want to separate it?

1419
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:19,320
» I would like to. Um, can I separate it?
2026 180.

1420
01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:19,320
» I'd like to separate 179.

1421
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:31,159
» Okay. Um, do you want discussion? Um, I
just think I need to for me I need to um

1422
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:37,119
» be separate.
>> You can just abstain from whatever

1423
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:42,480
resolution.
>> I love good.

1424
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:47,199
» Um, so I I don't know how that works
then.

1425
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:48,880
» I'll just be accept.
>> Yeah.

1426
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:54,800
» Okay.
>> Um, and then 179 order.

1427
01:43:52,320 --> 01:44:00,719
» Oh, you guys love it.
refusals. Okay. Um so how about this? Do

1428
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:03,520
we do we need do we need three separate
votes?

1429
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:09,920
» No, we're going to do one
for each of those. Okay.

1430
01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:17,600
» Um so we're talking 175 through 190.
>> Um with a recusal from Brian on 179, a

1431
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:22,080
recusal from Michael on 180. Um do I
have a motion?

1432
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:26,159
» Second. Uh Alison, may
>> I please have a Council

1433
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:28,480
members Cole,
>> yes. Inelli,

1434
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,639
» yes. Cut,
>> yes.

1435
01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:34,080
» Yes. Also,
>> yes.

1436
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:40,080
» Uh, thank you. Department reports July
2026. Um, a motion to approve all of

1437
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:44,320
those reports. Municipal clerk through
municipal court. Motion with a Hardy.

1438
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:46,560
Thank you.
>> Second.

1439
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:52,239
» All in favor?
>> Anyone opposed? [laughter]

1440
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:55,920
» Does anyone have any committee updates?
>> That's nice. that's on there and I don't

1441
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:58,719
notice it, I'll I'll be more prepared.
>> So, we talked about in the in the

1442
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:03,040
communications meeting that we would
like to make sure that we're having

1443
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:06,320
committee. So, we'll move forward if
anyone does not mention anything. Don't

1444
01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:08,880
feel that you have to, but we'd love to
hear what's going on in your committee.

1445
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:12,159
» Sure.
>> Thank you.

1446
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:15,280
» Um, good to the burrow. Please stand
identify yourself by clearly stating

1447
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:21,639
your name and address for the record.
Please observe time of three minutes.

1448
01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:21,639
Anyone with a burrow or public?

1449
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:26,719
Welcome back though. Missed
>> you.

1450
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:31,360
» So on your
>> name and address please.

1451
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:35,920
» Answer if fairly. So on the consent
resolution

1452
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:40,480
2026-175
the title is [snorts]

1453
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:47,199
interview for police chief. The first
whereas says interview for patrolman

1454
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:54,320
the therefore says police chief. So I'm
just

1455
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:58,320
matter. It is indeed for release.
>> Do we need you? Don't need to revote on

1456
01:45:56,320 --> 01:46:02,400
that bill.
>> Thank you, Bill.

1457
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:06,320
» Anyone else? Would they go to the burrow
the public? Alson, anyone on?

1458
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:10,000
» No.
>> How about fireman's fair? I know it's

1459
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:13,040
not really us, but I mean it's kind of
us. So, um, make sure you're

1460
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:18,400
volunteering. Everyone in the fireman's
here coming out. Very excited before our

1461
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:24,320
next meeting. So, to see all that.
>> Anyone else? Uh the historic association

1462
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:31,679
is hosting its annual garden party. Um
this year we'll be celebrating the 120th

1463
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:37,600
anniversary of a bar pond and um
honoring Chris Brennan on that same

1464
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:42,400
spirit. Many people have seen his video
which is wonderful. He's a really great

1465
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:46,719
historical. Brunson Hill
and it is a tremendous uh history that

1466
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:53,760
really includes a lot of therapy.
>> So this year it is 120 years of

1467
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:56,480
» please get your GPS to the phone.
>> September 26th.

1468
01:46:54,800 --> 01:47:00,960
» September 26th. Thank you.
>> Anyone else?

1469
01:46:57,679 --> 01:47:04,320
» Um I would like to discuss potentially I
think I'm going to reach out to all of

1470
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:09,119
you now that um we have the Cambridge
thing settled. I might want to send a

1471
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:16,239
second email. We never a second letter.
We never received um a response back

1472
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:21,199
from the RBR board of education. Um and
in our new rules, they still do have to

1473
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:25,840
cross the street across Ridge Road. So,
the safety concern still does stand and

1474
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:31,119
it's something that I am concerned
about. Um and we did not receive

1475
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:34,719
response and I'm hoping that RBR sees
that if there are kids that are going to

1476
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:38,480
be crossing the road that they should be
protected. So,

1477
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:40,080
» did we um did we communicate that to the
county?

1478
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:43,600
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1479
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:46,960
» They received they received the letters.
>> Um the other thing, just to correct the

1480
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:51,520
record from the finance committee, there
was a communication that went around the

1481
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:55,600
town today saying that we had a tax rate
of 1.427.

1482
01:47:53,679 --> 01:48:01,440
That's incorrect. That's last year's tax
rate. Our tax rate this year is 1.395.

1483
01:47:58,639 --> 01:48:05,280
That encompasses um the schools, the
county, everything. Um and our portion

1484
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:11,760
of that for the [clears throat]
municipality is 311.

1485
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:15,119
That's the portion that 22% that we uh
take care of. I also want to make it

1486
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:20,080
clear that the finance committee is
constantly meeting. We look over every

1487
01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:23,520
single line item consistently all the
time. And the reason that sometimes we

1488
01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:30,159
do have to cut a service is just because
of that because we have to fit it all in

1489
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:35,679
the pot. Um that's what I got.
>> Sure. There is a community solar event

1490
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:38,880
through the green team and that is on
September 13th.

1491
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:43,920
» Thank you.
>> Stop solar. Sorry.

1492
01:48:40,239 --> 01:48:50,000
» We do have an executive session tonight.
>> So [laughter]

1493
01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:53,600
» I'm going to ask to
uh No, we're going to go we're going to

1494
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:56,480
go out into executive session. The time
is 8:50. Do I have a motion?

1495
01:48:55,665 --> 01:48:58,719
[clears throat]
>> Second.

1496
01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:02,560
» All in favor?
>> Anyone opposed? Thank you.

1497
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:09,280
Uh motion to close the meeting at 9:01
p.m.

1498
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:13,960
» Motion second.
>> All in favor?

1499
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,960
» Anyone opposed?