[0:50] the 8 River Road, Fair Haven, New
Jersey. Public participation for this
[0:54] regular council meeting of August 17,
2026 is available by call and phone
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[1:23] 2026, posted on the Burough website, the
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[1:31] having been given, the B clerk is
directed to include this statement in
[1:34] the minutes of this meeting. Alison, may
I please have a roll call?
[1:37] » Council members call here.
>> Yes, here.
[1:41] » Griffin
>> here. Miy
[1:44] » here.
>> Olson
[1:45] » here.
>> We have administrator. Attorney
[1:49] is by Zoom. Um, Director Portinsky, BJ
Ber is by Zoom.
[1:56] And Lieutenant Dexter.
>> Okay. Uh, jumping right into it. We have
[2:02] an workshop session on our Eagle Scout
project carried from last month. Uh
[2:07] Sigret Vindas is on Zoom.
>> Yeah,
[2:12] » this is for the concession stand snack
chat rebank.
[2:18] » Hello.
>> Hi. How are you?
[2:21] » Hi. Good, thank you.
>> All right. Thanks for joining us. Um,
[2:26] usually, uh, when we have a Eagle Scout
project, uh, the potential Eagle Scout
[2:33] takes us through the project itself,
tells us a little bit about, um,
[2:39] what they're doing with it, and then we
ask, you know, sometimes there's some
[2:42] questions from some council people that
we uh, we ask at the end. Um, so that's
[2:49] usually how we do it. Do you have
something prepared to present us or
[2:54] Um, I do have a slideshow that I had. I
just need to pull it up. Sorry.
[3:02] » Sorry.
Is that going to show?
[3:07] » She can share screen. Um, let's see.
>> Um, do you guys have papers? Because I
[3:12] think that I've been I've shared with
different people. Um, I don't know if
[3:18] you guys have any, but I
>> think we had it last meeting though. I'm
[3:21] not sure. It's in our packet now.
[3:32] » Okay, we have I think we have a a binder
here, which looks probably more
[3:38] substantial than your um slideshow even
is.
[3:45] » You have one too?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, why don't you put this
[3:48] down here between you two and then
[3:55] » Okay. How about this? Why don't we start
off while you while you're doing that?
[3:58] Why don't you tell us a little bit in
general what you're doing to the snack
[4:02] shack and um give us a time frame.
[4:08] We start there.
[4:23] Oh, sorry. Can you hear me?
>> Yes.
[4:26] » Okay. Sorry about that. So, I was hoping
to renovate the snack shack at Fairbin
[4:31] Fields because um I have been a
volunteer there for a long time. My mom
[4:37] volunteered there all like as I was
growing up. So, I got to see kind of and
[4:43] I know the parts that work best and the
things that don't work as well. So, I
[4:48] was thinking there are different
aspects. I don't know if you guys should
[4:51] have pictures in the binder with you.
>> Yeah.
[4:55] » Um that depict different parts. So, one
of them, the biggest part that I would
[5:02] need the most approval on would be
painting the floor. Um, the floor has
[5:07] seen lots of wear and tear through the
years and I was thinking that that could
[5:11] be a good really big refresh for the
whole space.
[5:16] And besides that, it's more not
necessarily maintenance, but kind of
[5:23] smaller aspects of the space that just
fixing those little bits could really
[5:28] help with the overall
like
[5:32] how everything works together and how
different volunteers can use the space.
[5:40] So, one of them was there's a coffee
station and for example underneath it's
[5:46] a little bit untidy and I was thinking
that maybe if we even just organizing
[5:50] that small space could really help um
sorry I'm not finding the words
[5:58] but could really just help the
volunteers when they're there and make
[6:02] it run more smoothly.
>> It would maximize the efficiency of the
[6:07] operation while working there. said you
said you were going to paint the floors.
[6:11] Is that correct?
>> Yes, there's a specific paint that
[6:14] should also be in the binder somewhere.
Um, a list of supplies that I would
[6:18] need. I talked to a specialist and they
said that the best paint for the type of
[6:26] floor that it that it is would be the
epoxy paint that is shown in the booklet
[6:32] » with like the DPW. And I spoke with the
DPW
[6:37] » and they said that the best course of
action would be to first paint remove
[6:45] everything that's removable, which the
one thing that can't be removed is the
[6:49] sink and the refrigerator because the
refrigerator is really heavy. So to move
[6:53] it out of the doorway on its own is
going to be very difficult. So, the plan
[6:58] was paint everything around the
refrigerator and then shift the
[7:04] refrigerator over once the paint is
dried and paint underneath.
[7:11] » Is Nick here?
>> Nick is here. Nick, come up for a
[7:14] second.
>> So, um she did meet with uh DPW
[7:19] representatives and Nick um to go over
the project ahead of time before
[7:22] bringing it to the council and Nick can
share uh some of the observations that
[7:25] he had. Yeah, we we had met at the
facility, took a look at the proposed
[7:29] project, proposed improvements. Uh we
definitely made some recommendations
[7:33] about the type of paint and the type of
flooring uh covering to use and uh you
[7:39] know, we were in support of the the
project. Um obviously there's some
[7:43] details regarding logistics and
scheduling and phasing and stuff, but uh
[7:47] I think we can work through those with
the applicant and uh and come to you
[7:52] know the the appropriate action. what
what type what type of support is needed
[7:57] from DPW as far as the project goes?
>> Um, I haven't seen the final proposal
[8:02] yet, but uh I think it was basically
just uh you know helping coordinate some
[8:06] of the the the relocation of some of the
stuff into maybe the garage and um that
[8:11] was basically it. Um it wasn't it wasn't
too much of a heavy lift for DPW.
[8:17] » Great.
[8:21] » Yeah. Um sacred.
>> Yes. with this this um I love the way
[8:26] you've organized the photos because you
can it helps us identify sort of
[8:29] stations and you've taken the time to
really do that advanced planning to help
[8:34] you make plans how to organize and how
to tackle these sections understanding
[8:39] your approach.
>> Um I'm also I have used epoxy paint and
[8:44] a restaurant renovation and it works
very well and your plan is good and I'm
[8:48] sure Mr. Kinski's already supported
that. I would you say that most of these
[8:55] other than the floor most of these other
categories there's eight photos is it
[9:00] mostly organization and hiding and
>> well there's also um one of those
[9:05] aspects would be building a first aid
shelf. Um, I'm pretty sure that one of
[9:12] the pictures shows it pretty clearly
that in the corner near the entry
[9:15] there's a fridge and that is where um
the first aid usually just sits there
[9:22] whether it's some of the ice packs that
are usually there or just band-aids. And
[9:27] that also happens to be the spot, one of
the only like open areas where
[9:31] volunteers can put their bags. So, the
plan with that specific corner would be
[9:36] to build a first aid shelf to be able to
put the first aid items on and to also
[9:43] attach hooks into the walls for
volunteers to be able to have a
[9:48] designated spot to put their bags or
coats.
[9:53] » Great.
[9:57] » Um, might have one of them. Is there are
there any costs to the burrow for this
[10:03] project?
>> No, because since this is an Eagle Scout
[10:05] project, it will all be funded by the
funding. Well, I will fund the project
[10:12] by raising money. That's a part of the
Eagle Scout project.
[10:17] » Is there anything in the snack shack
where like
[10:21] um something used to be in service and
it's broken down and it's being ripped
[10:26] out and not replaced?
Um,
[10:30] no, I don't believe so.
>> I think there was some um some tables
[10:34] and some like appendages to the to the
concession area that I guess we can
[10:39] review at some point and see if they're
still needed depending on how things are
[10:42] organized. But uh generally speaking the
the scope of work was to you know make
[10:47] the make the space more safe uh more
user friendly and uh the labor was going
[10:52] to be provided by the scouts as part of
their you know as part of the project as
[10:56] well as the equipment and material. So
it's it's really just the um uh the
[11:02] scouts presentation as part of their
project, the project management side of
[11:06] the project and then ultimately
fulfilling the execution as part of the
[11:11] schedule and scope.
>> I mean is there has there been any
[11:15] objection to this project? Has any
>> No, I do have a question. So it the
[11:21] hooks on the shelf at cinder block I
see. Is is is the DPW going to be there
[11:25] to sort of help with the drilling into
that because if you it's hard to patch
[11:29] it if you do it wrong. Yeah, I'm not
sure um the final layout, but uh we can
[11:36] we can give some recommendations to the
to the scout to make sure that they're
[11:41] the appropriate height and using the
appropriate, you know, anchor materials
[11:44] so that it's it's not pulling away from
the center block or make sure the
[11:48] appropriate location makes sense.
>> Yeah. Like not by growers.
[11:51] » Yeah. And no electric or plumbing is
being
[11:55] » No, it's uh it's basically just uh I
want to say cosmetics, but it's more
[11:59] efficiency and operations type stuff.
>> Sure.
[12:04] » Just cigarette. Um I said this last
time, but I know you weren't on, but I
[12:08] appreciate all the organizational. I've
worked in there a couple times and it
[12:11] was definitely pretty disorganized. So I
love what you're doing. The only thing I
[12:15] ask is just that Nick does see the final
plan before we move forward and
[12:21] therefore yeah the big stuff. But well
done. This was really thorough. So good
[12:25] job.
>> Is there a request for signage in there?
[12:29] You know
>> signage?
[12:32] » Yeah.
>> There should be in the booklet there
[12:34] should be there's a specific page that
should say
[12:40] » that's signage for the items like first
aid station. I need there's no there's
[12:45] no information regarding Boral
>> signals
[12:49] if you're going to put up um signage
just basically dedicating the Eagle
[12:54] Scout project just connect with uh
Burough Administrator York because
[12:58] there's a standard there.
>> Yeah, we I can coordinate that with you.
[13:02] Just um they don't purchase any memorial
signage um ahead of time. We can
[13:06] coordinate that together. No, it looks
like she found a problem and is offering
[13:10] solutions that are simple and will make
everyone's life easier. So, I'm all for
[13:14] it.
>> So, we have a motion.
[13:16] » Motion to accept this plan to improve
the Eagle Scout.
[13:21] » Thank you, Nick.
>> To improve. Thank you, Nick. Improve the
[13:24] snack, the snack check.
>> Second. All in favor?
[13:28] » Anyone opposed?
>> Congratulations.
[13:32] » Congrats.
>> Thank you. Thank you all.
[13:36] Uh, next up we have a request to hold
the annual color run on October 17th.
[13:41] » It's going to be November 14th.
>> It's now going to be on November 14th.
[13:45] » It was mine. It's picked a long day.
Picked up a long day. So,
[13:49] » good. Is that a sat That's a Saturday.
>> Yes. I love the color. I think it's
[13:54] pretty fun.
>> Great. I support it.
[13:58] » Is it the same people that are running
it again this year that did it last
[14:01] year? Lisa by Tally is um has joined us
by Zoom. She's handling it. She's taking
[14:07] over.
>> You have any questions? Ask for a
[14:11] motion.
>> She's Lisa.
[14:14] » Hi. How are you all?
>> How are you? I was getting ready to ask
[14:18] for for a vote, but um thank you for
putting this together and thank you to
[14:22] the PTA. Uh great cause. Is there
anything you want to add in before we
[14:30] » uh No, the event will run similarly to
uh years past. So, um nothing really
[14:36] looking to change. We will have a couple
vendors. I connected with Allison and DJ
[14:40] about that. Um a couple local vendors,
pliables and a um coffee truck that will
[14:47] be stationed at the event and um
donating a portion of their sales back
[14:51] to the PTA. So, uh those vendors will be
available. Otherwise, just similar to
[14:55] what we've done in the past. It's just a
fun run. Uh it's not a full 5K and a DJ
[15:01] and just a fun family day. Are
>> you doing all your advertising online?
[15:07] » We are. Yes. I did I did wonder about
signage. Um we haven't done it in the
[15:12] past, but if it's a non-issue or if it's
an easy enough thing to offer, we you
[15:18] know, of course, we'd love to promote
the event as well. But if you if you're
[15:22] thinking about signage, um reach out to
the broker, uh Allison. She could take
[15:27] you through the process um to get to get
it on agenda. I mean, it's not the uh
[15:33] most difficult uh task, especially if
you're looking for temporary signs for a
[15:38] period of time. Um you know, but also if
if you're going to advertise online,
[15:43] that's great. And we can support you
through the burrow in doing that.
[15:46] » Yep. uh putting it on our um weekly
>> very even weekly we uh we can put it in
[15:52] the focus if you if you get it to us in
time and we can put it on our social
[15:56] media and the constant contact system.
>> Oh, amazing. Thank you so much.
[16:00] Wonderful.
>> Just if you want to just email me that
[16:03] information. My email is on the website.
I'm the administrator. We can we can get
[16:07] that up.
>> Understood. Thank you so much.
[16:10] Do
>> I have a motion to
[16:12] » motion to approve Colorado for 2026?
>> Second.
[16:15] » All in favor? I.
>> Anyone opposed? All right. Thank you.
[16:19] » Thank you all. Have a great evening.
>> You too. Uh, next up we have Fair
[16:23] Baseball as a banner request. Fairfield
4. Are you presenting?
[16:29] » I really don't have anything. I was just
standing here on board told me to come
[16:34] by and see what happen. So, so tonight
we're hearing on there was a request
[16:40] made a few months ago to approve banners
that are on Farad Field 4. Um,
[16:48] you know, we we we've been in contact
with Fairan Baseball uh on on a
[16:55] uh another solution as well that we we
offered to them. We haven't heard back
[17:01] from them positive or negative on that.
I think they asked for some more time,
[17:05] but in the meantime, there was the ask
to be put on the agenda. Um, so we're
[17:11] not
>> the banner up. We're not doing this, but
[17:13] that So,
[clears throat] this is obviously a very
[17:18] long story that I don't think we need to
go into detail on many months in the
[17:23] making, but the signs that are up right
there now on the outfield wall are the
[17:28] signs that Ferry Baseball applied to put
out permanent. Those are the those
[17:36] that's what we would be discussing
today. What do you mean permanently?
[17:39] » In other words, um,
>> I can direct my question to my
[17:43] » for permanent sign placement of a banner
that's already up.
[17:48] » Sure.
>> During baseball season
[17:50] » and when what and
>> on the on the basically what we're
[17:53] asking for is them to be more visible
because you can't see them right now.
[17:58] They're all way on the outfield fence.
>> We just said my question first. The
[18:01] banner is up.
>> Banners are up on the outfield.
[18:04] » Baseball season ends.
>> Baseball season's over. That's what I
[18:07] thought.
>> Well, actually, no. Well, we have fall.
[18:09] So, fall starts in September.
>> Okay.
[18:11] » So, it kind of runs from say March till
October, November.
[18:18] » November.
>> Yeah. Yeah. March till November.
[18:21] » So, the banners that are up, you want
permission to leave them there until
[18:26] October, November. Is that we've
>> Right. So right now we have a which is
[18:30] separate from this issue but right now
we have an agreement with you for only
[18:33] one field to put our advertising banners
to raise money for fairs and baseball in
[18:38] the outfield. Okay. Certain amount. Um
we have them out there now. We used to
[18:43] have them for the last two and a half
years right on the back stop of the same
[18:49] field.
We were asked to take them down this
[18:52] year and move them to the outfield. Then
we were asked to take them down from the
[18:57] outfield
until this issue was resolved and then
[19:00] we're allowed to put them back up in the
outfield again till this issue is
[19:04] resolved further. So tonight I thought
what was going to happen was the
[19:08] original banners that we get are just
allstar banners for our our all-star
[19:12] teams that win specific
um district championships, sectional
[19:18] championships within the state of New
Jersey.
[19:21] » More than one banner.
>> We have we have a few now. Well, I I
[19:24] know the banners that you stack.
>> There's three banners, but different
[19:27] different accomplishments on each one
per age group of of the last couple
[19:32] years for our baseball teams.
>> This is about three banners.
[19:35] » This is three banners in total right
now.
[19:36] » But it could be moving forward more if
they win something.
[19:39] » If we keep winning, we we obviously get
more banners. These banners are
[19:43] » when we keep winning.
>> When we keep winning,
[19:45] » they're g these banners are given to us.
We don't make them. They're given to us
[19:49] as in by Little League of America.
>> Exactly. So when we this is only when we
[19:54] win little league tournaments. So at the
end of every wreck season
[19:58] » you form an all-star team and if your
all-star team goes a certain distance
[20:04] » you know you get a but only if you reach
certain certain thresholds districts
[20:09] sectionals states regionals and then on
to Williamsport in Pennsylvania which is
[20:14] happening right now.
>> That's happening now. Right.
[20:15] » Correct. So, you know, it's quite an
accomplishment for our little town. But
[20:19] those are the banners that we had right
outside the dugout and they had the
[20:24] names of the kids that were on the team.
So,
[20:27] » three of those,
>> right?
[20:28] » And you'd like permission to leave them
up through fall ball, which
[20:33] » during baseball season, they come down
in the winter.
[20:36] » I'm going to say November. Is that
accurate? Yeah,
[20:38] » it's good to be specific.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mike.
[20:41] » Are the kids names all fair?
>> No. So, we we have um we're in a little
[20:47] league with five towns because we don't
have enough teams to make a little
[20:50] league. If we did, we wouldn't have a
little league. So, we have Rumson, Fair
[20:54] Haven,
um Shrewsbury, Red Bank, and Little
[20:57] Silver.
>> And do all the towns get a banner?
[21:00] » If they win, but the Allstars, when
Allstars comes about at the end of our
[21:04] rec, they divide the town. So, it's
Rumson and Fair Haven play in an
[21:09] all-star team. Shbury, Red Bank, and
Little Silver play in another one.
[21:14] And then the kids play together from
those towns on one all-star team and the
[21:19] other team they call it two little two
river league east and west
[21:23] » and then they go from there.
>> The sign that they give you has the
[21:25] kids' names.
>> They have the kids' names.
[21:27] » Mike, do they mostly practice at Fair
Haven? Are they practicing also at
[21:30] Rumson?
>> Both.
[21:31] » They practice them.
>> Does Rumson get one also or just
[21:35] » They do. They just don't put them up.
>> It's not that they're not allowed to,
[21:38] it's that they just don't put them.
>> Okay.
[21:41] » They don't have a great spot for them.
We have a nicer facility where people
[21:44] kind of walk by. So
>> So you're asking not to put the signs up
[21:47] where they currently are. That was just
sort of a I guess an agreement for the
[21:52] time being, but you're asking to put
them back where on the back stop.
[21:56] » Well, well,
>> but I think moving forward, I think this
[21:59] is a bigger issue, right? Or the longer
term solution or discussion that he's
[22:05] hoping for because it was a temporary
solution to have them moved and but in
[22:08] the outfield,
>> correct? So, we're looking to find out
[22:12] if they win again, what's going to
happen? Like what's the what what is our
[22:17] plan moving forward? Like what's the
>> Yeah. So, the tonight they told me to
[22:21] come here because I had been involved in
this from the beginning. I thought that
[22:24] what Joe had explained to me which is
the Joe Grogan who's the president of
[22:28] Fair Haven Baseball now. He had said you
were going to vote on tonight. I thought
[22:33] the banners that we were given um our
championship banner that we were given
[22:37] from Little League, you either going to
vote on those to accept them or not. And
[22:41] if not, you had an iteration of your own
that you were going to present and then
[22:46] I was going to bring that back to Fair
Haven and see what they want to do.
[22:49] » So I I can talk on that. That's mainly
correct except for the point of it's
[22:54] hard for us to vote on something that
wasn't really um accepted by Fair
[22:59] Baseball, right? So they're not going to
push or sign on you,
[23:02] » right? So that that's what they were
saying. I guess it was the initial vote
[23:05] on the original signs. If that's a no,
then they have to talk to that and then
[23:10] talk to baseball.
>> I wanted to put this on the agenda, but
[23:13] we didn't hear back from Fairman
baseball. Um, you know, I heard it was a
[23:17] divided response to it.
>> Oh, okay.
[23:19] » So that's the feedback that we got. So I
said, well, it's a divided response. I
[23:24] made um it clear that I was going to put
the original application which was for
[23:29] the current signs on the agenda um for
us to make a decision. Now listen, we
[23:35] could extend the temporary
signs. We can vote to enforce the
[23:40] current ordinance which is they're not
approved right now. We can approve for
[23:43] the signs instead. We could take a few
different turns on this issue. Um you
[23:48] know the only everything you said I
agree. The only question I had is I was
[23:52] under the impression Rumson doesn't
allow signs.
[23:54] » They do not allow signs.
>> Yeah. Rums does not allow signs.
[23:57] » I don't think it's a matter of them just
not putting it up. They don't allow
[24:00] signs at all. Um just just for the uh
for the discussion because
[24:07] um you know we talked about the scout
signage earlier tonight as well with
[24:12] cigarette. Um I don't know Allison if
you want to put it up on the screen. Can
[24:16] you?
So, we we thought this was a good
[24:20] solution. We're willing um you know,
obviously we need we would need approval
[24:24] from everyone and we would need approval
appro approval from Fairman Baseball on
[24:30] the final design as well, but this we
thought did a very good job celebrating
[24:34] the team accomplishments. Um
and that's what we saw it as a team
[24:40] accomplishment and uh can I talk a
little bit about the team? I want to be
[24:44] clear sort of where I stand. So, thank
you for volunteering and sharing
[24:49] doing what you do for the kids. So, I
love the idea of celebrating a team. Um,
[24:55] I think back to my alma mater and I
think about the championship the year
[24:59] kind of that's it. Um, I don't love kids
names. Um, for a couple of reasons. The
[25:06] primary one is when you say it's an
all-star team, there's kids who Romson
[25:10] that means that some kids who didn't
make the team and a Rumson kids name.
[25:14] It's sort of I don't want to I don't
want to cause a parent to
[25:19] » which was the original complaint.
>> That was the original complaint. Yeah.
[25:22] So that that's where I'm going. Um it's
obviously telling their kid, but I would
[25:28] be I would be most comfortable with just
like celebrate the team. I think that's
[25:32] simplest to avoid all that noise. Um
whether it's there or perceived or gets
[25:38] to us or not. I think that's the
cleanest um celebration team. That's
[25:43] that's my I want to be totally open with
you.
[25:45] » Okay.
>> I also one one other thing I I throw
[25:48] which I was about to go to is um when
there were signs existing for the scouts
[25:52] that were up and we came up with the new
design obviously we'd have to talk to
[25:57] the finance committee and burough admin
and CFO but the bureau was willing to
[26:01] pick up the cost to replace those signs
with the new version um just so it
[26:07] wasn't an expense for fairs and
baseball. um you know we can't do that
[26:13] allowed I'll I'll write a check for for
that myself
[26:17] » replace it.
>> Yeah. So I listen I I think this is
[26:22] starting and uh Councilman Cole has
brought up and I think it's something we
[26:26] do need to visit a signed standard. I
think this would be sort of a step in
[26:30] the right direction and it would give
the the kids because I heard that from
[26:34] some of the parents that you know the
kids would suffer. We give them the
[26:38] opportunity to always come back and see
that banner still on that outfield
[26:41] fence. Um and we make it big enough
obviously with writing like this because
[26:46] you can see um if you go see you know
Loop and all these you can see that
[26:50] [clears throat] they write their names
big and I think you would even admit
[26:54] right now it's not doing justice for
those banners on the outfield fence. You
[26:57] can't really read what's out there.
>> A design like this we think will
[27:01] » Yeah. Like like I said again, it's
really going to be something that the
[27:06] board has to bring to the baseball
parents. Again, they're the ones that
[27:09] are going to decide this. I'm kind of
just in between because I've been here
[27:12] since day one dealing with it.
>> Um
[27:15] the only thing Well, so just one one
thing you have to consider if you're if
[27:19] you're talking about picking up the tab
for this,
[27:23] » it might be something you have to pay
for an additional one every year.
[27:27] » Yeah.
>> So
[27:29] you guys are pretty confident in your
which I love.
[27:32] » Well, this is this is the thing because
it doesn't cost Fair Haven Baseball a
[27:34] dime now. They give
>> you understand
[27:38] that inject.
>> Well, can I can I just say one more
[27:43] thing? So, this this one was put
together for the for the I was under the
[27:49] impression that one of the banners was a
little bit more
[27:53] » accomplishing
away from what the other
[27:56] » This is definitely the one we got the
most push back. So, something that we
[27:59] sort of discussed maybe for the second
banner was the same sort of look, but it
[28:03] would say, and I I don't know what the
actual championship was for the other
[28:07] two, but it would it would look like
that and then instead of having its own
[28:12] banner, it would say 2024
9U, you know, diamonds white or what
[28:18] whatever it is. um 2023 and sort of like
you see in the high school where if you
[28:24] see short conference tournament
champions 1984, 1987, 1989 um obviously
[28:31] we'd have to find out from our sign
vendor how we accomplish that but that
[28:34] might be a way to do it where you're
just adding
[28:38] block lettering and quite truthfully I
mean if someone wins the big one I'm I'm
[28:42] sure um we'll find a way to get another
>> Yeah. I mean, if you think that this is
[28:46] something that could be an added to sign
where you cuz we wouldn't want you guys
[28:51] to remake a sign every year. And again,
as long as as long as Fair Haven
[28:55] Baseball and the the parents and the
baseball parents are are okay with it
[28:59] and then you guys can come to an
agreement, that's what the the message
[29:02] I'll relay.
>> The only thing I'll say is the messaging
[29:04] I got was these accomplishments were so
extremely amazing.
[29:09] » It's a big deal.
>> I hear that.
[29:11] » We didn't win one this year.
>> Doesn't happen all of a sudden. you
[29:14] know. So, I I don't think we're talking
about an expense that's going to be so
[29:18] great. And quite truthfully, like we
paid for the scouts to replace them.
[29:24] We're not paying for them going forward.
That's a discussion I think we we'd have
[29:27] to have. Yep.
>> Okay. So, that's something that's got to
[29:30] be
>> um you you said there's three signs
[29:36] » right now. Yeah.
>> And uh what was for first year?
[29:39] » 2024.
>> So, it's 2023. I'm sorry. 23, 24, and
[29:45] 25.
>> You have 23, 24, and 25. How long do you
[29:49] normally
uh keep put them up every year?
[29:53] » We We put them up in March before the
parade.
[29:55] » No, I mean, how many years do you
>> want them up?
[29:59] » Would you want the signs up?
>> I mean, if you again,
[30:03] » okay,
>> I've talked to Shane over in Rumson. He
[30:06] told me something different than what
Chris just told me. Now,
[30:10] whatever. It is what it is. I can't
speak for Rumson. That's what I've been
[30:13] told. He's on the board with me at True
River.
[30:17] » So, True River Little League, I'm on the
board with him. So, but I know that
[30:20] Shrezberry has all their banners up.
Little Silver does the same thing. Okay.
[30:25] Red Bank would they don't have as many
Crumbs in his whatever they are. But it
[30:32] it's it's something that if you go to
other baseball fields, they have these
[30:36] banners that they all they put them up
all along their fences all the time. I
[30:42] don't know what the relationship with
their town is and and what the rules
[30:45] are. It's all different, right? Every
town is different, but I mean, anybody
[30:49] who's been in baseball and and
>> can
[30:52] » So's been in baseball, you can go to
some of these facilities and you'll see
[30:55] they have a different way of doing it.
Some actually have very neat and tidy
[30:59] placards when you walk into their
municipal complex. So, it will swing,
[31:02] you know,
>> but they just have like stuff that's
[31:06] just on one placer or you can just kind
of take those little
[31:09] » kind of like your your your names on
your desk there. They come in and out.
[31:13] They slide in, slide out. There's many
options you can do.
[31:17] » Can I ask you, you mentioned um that you
want you would have to go back and talk
[31:21] to the Fair Haven parents about the
proposed change. I I'm just going to go
[31:26] back to the board and tell them what we
were talked about here and then they
[31:30] would have to if you're taking a vote on
the original science today. I don't know
[31:33] if you're doing that but I have to
basically report back to what your ideas
[31:36] are.
>> My question is do you consult other
[31:38] Robson parents also because some of
their kids are on that team right?
[31:42] » They have their own banners. They have
the same banners that our kids were.
[31:46] they just don't put them up
on their feet. So,
[31:50] » so
and and one thing I'd say is, you know,
[31:56] I don't agree with personally I don't
agree with R. I think that's too far for
[32:00] the one side. I saw a Facebook post that
came on my your feed or whatever it is
[32:06] for Tin Falls yesterday. I guess they
got some gray money. I want to find out
[32:10] where that gray money came from,
>> but to redo one of their fields. And in
[32:14] the picture, they have similar signs
like we do in the outfield fence. But if
[32:20] you remember when you guys first came
in, you asked for a certain amount. I
[32:22] think we minimized the amount. If you
asked for 24, we said, "Now we'll give
[32:26] you 16." It was something like
>> it was an agreement that we reuped. It
[32:30] was 32 and you guys went down to
>> we went down. Now Tinf Falls, you could
[32:33] look at these and I'll try and find them
and send them to you. Um, you look at
[32:37] these posts, sign after sign after sign
after sign. And personally, I thought
[32:42] that's way too far on the other side.
>> Yeah, I've seen it. I didn't feel
[32:45] » I like how we're kind of balancing this
and trying to find, you know, the right
[32:50] aesthetic for our town. Recognize the
kids without also inconveniencing
[32:56] residents that are playing as well and
might not feel the same way that, you
[33:00] know, some other people do. I think this
would be a a thoughtful solution.
[33:05] Doesn't have to be exactly like that.
That's I think why we asked for some
[33:09] feedback from Fair Baseball as well. Um
but that's that I that's kind of where I
[33:14] stand. I I
listen I have no problem personally um
[33:19] if if the governing body wants to keep
those temporary signs up until like the
[33:23] next meeting when we get a little
feedback that's fine. But I I don't see
[33:28] the current signs as the long-term
solution for the field. I just can I
[33:33] just just one thing and I don't want to
open up a canop because because I've
[33:38] been doing this and started this whole
science thing beginning. I just want
[33:42] there are some inconsistencies in town
that we the burough the the board would
[33:46] just very much like to clear up. I'm
sure Chris can probably speak to this
[33:49] too. when we see
agreements being made with like RFH with
[33:55] interlocals, okay, and these are non-
taxpaying people in our town and you
[34:01] have a a a group of of board members in
our town who are taxpayers who all the
[34:08] baseball parents are taxpayers and we do
the majority of the the majority I don't
[34:14] want anybody to get mad as but say we do
50% of the work to maintain our own
[34:19] fields
Okay. And RFH can come in and they hang
[34:24] banners.
They hang pictures of the kids with
[34:28] their names all over the tennis courts.
And they can do seems like they can do
[34:34] more to our tennis courts that they
don't own because of an agreement that
[34:38] was signed than we can do to our own
baseball fields which we maintain. Pay a
[34:43] ton of money for room. do whatever else
you guys want to want us to want to call
[34:49] it, we do it.
>> So, I can address that. Okay. Um,
[34:54] » so
your baseball banners, whatever
[34:57] approved, they were up for two and a
half years. Tennis banners go up for two
[35:01] or three weeks a year. Um, I would say
that all of our taxpayers are paying
[35:05] taxes into the RFA schools. We do have
an interlocal agreement that gives them
[35:11] the uh authority to put those up. Um as
part of that agreement um they funded is
[35:18] it half
>> they they fund they fund half of the um
[35:22] any of the improvements to the um tennis
sports and they also do that 10 months
[35:26] worth of maintenance to it.
>> So I personally like I I thought of the
[35:30] other side.
>> So we do all those things too.
[35:33] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[35:34] » All of them.
>> Sure.
[35:35] » So why should we not have the same
rights?
[35:38] » I hear what you're saying. Like I I hear
what everyone's saying.
[35:41] » That's the argument. That's that's one
of the biggest sticking points of this.
[35:44] » That's why I think there should be
bigger conversation. I agree with the
[35:47] interlocal. I also kind of go back to
the sign standard. I feel like
[35:51] » I think this is pretty and nice, but are
we trying to just make everything
[35:55] completely conforming and then but we
are allowing like we're not going to
[36:00] talk to them to RFH about the tennis
signs. Like where where are we stopping?
[36:05] Like I just I feel like we're really
inconsistent. We're like picking on the
[36:08] Eagle Scouts and we're picking on these
guys. We're trying we're trying to be
[36:11] consistent. And my answer where I was
about to go was I was trying to think of
[36:16] a single other sign in town that is
brought in
[36:23] and it becomes a permanent sign in our
town. The only other one I could think
[36:27] of was the baseball signs in the
outfield with the advertisement signs.
[36:31] We have obviously Derma Dreams comes in
and Farmers Market comes in. They're
[36:35] asking for signs for temporary amounts
of time. This this this is the tennis
[36:43] team puts up signs for a temporary
amount of time. Um these signs are up
[36:48] always. They're, you know, they're up on
the fence. They're becoming a permanent
[36:53] part of uh the beauty of our land and
and to and by ordinance
[36:59] » they are supposed to be approved. You
know,
[37:02] » I agree with the approving. I actually
think that there's a solution here
[37:06] because there's so much goodwill where
everyone's trying
[37:09] » there's definitely a solution
>> fine.
[37:11] » Yeah.
>> And um
[37:14] many times I've been in this position
before and one of the typical responses
[37:18] is to undertake a design guideline,
>> you know, a revision of the ordinances
[37:23] that allow certain things and then
there's planners and designers that can
[37:27] help you develop those guidelines. So it
doesn't require a trip to council.
[37:32] there's a manual and standards that set
forth and can be administered by the
[37:35] staff. I think a lot of us want to talk
about doing that because we see the pain
[37:42] point with the volunteers and our
residents. We feel the pain point here.
[37:46] I can identify with some of the things
you're saying. I think all of us really
[37:50] can. Um but we still have to think about
the community as a whole. Um, and that's
[37:58] and that's a lot to tackle on a one one
night while we're here. So, we're sort
[38:03] of reaching for solutions.
>> No, 100%. I agree. I agree completely.
[38:07] And listen, if this is this was finished
and then I'm sorry,
[38:10] » it's evidence that like our house is not
totally in order because we're trying to
[38:14] figure it out on the fly when there's an
application. But I I I do know that at
[38:18] least a bunch of us want to be able to
talk about taking that step to sort of
[38:22] get it figured out so that it doesn't
require this complex trick of having
[38:27] » I I agree. I agree. And listen, it I
think there is a solution here. There's
[38:32] there's not a demand. I mean, I I
thought again you guys were just going
[38:36] to vote on whether the original signs
were even going to be considered. If
[38:40] not, that was the plan. I had talked to
Joe today. We got to go back and then
[38:43] I'm sure you guys can come to some sort
of an agreement. I'm sure something
[38:47] » would love to hear from baseball like
this because if it works for if it works
[38:51] and it it's there through then it's all
>> we don't we don't want to vote on this
[38:56] and say no and then you walk away like
they're not looking to celebrate what
[39:00] was a really meaningful accomplishment.
>> No, I think they knew that.
[39:03] » That's why I brought it up tonight
though.
[39:05] » Yeah. No, no, they they knew that
because Joe texted me that today that
[39:09] what he said was they were going to vote
on the original signs whether it was yes
[39:13] or no. And then this was I hadn't seen
this but they had mocked something up
[39:18] which is fine. Listen to the reality is
it's probably the baseball moms who are
[39:23] going to have the most input on any of
this stuff. That's 100%
[39:26] » to hear from them.
>> Yes. You have to think of the
[39:30] conversation.
>> Listen, you don't they're the ones that
[39:33] stir the shift. Andrew knows it. I know
it. Anybody who's coaches or does
[39:37] anything on the board, they run
everything from behind the scenes. Can I
[39:42] ask you, are you are you looking just at
Fair Haven 4? You're not looking at any
[39:47] of the other
>> That's it.
[39:49] » You're just focusing on the four.
>> Yeah, that's it. That's the only one we
[39:53] even had an agreement to hang the the uh
the fundraising manners on.
[39:58] Do we have a um a to-do in front of us
where we need to get through the
[40:02] existing signs for some period of time?
>> After we
[40:07] remember we were arguing how long the
period whether it was going to be three
[40:11] years or one year. Do you remember what
we settled?
[40:14] » I want
>> I just think it was to renew it every
[40:17] year.
>> Are you talking about the alphab?
[40:24] So, this is it's a separate this is sort
of like do we I think the idea tonight
[40:29] is do we keep them up there until we
have more of a discussion on this?
[40:32] » That's that's up to the governing body.
I
[40:35] » will say yes.
>> Say yes.
[40:37] » They have to come down in October no
matter we take them down. We have to
[40:41] because they'll get destroyed in the
winter. All of them.
[40:44] » They all as I'm listening this I I was
an athlete. I hope my kids to be
[40:48] athletes and I know that seeing that
banner how profound it is for a young
[40:54] » uh child. So, this is my first time
seeing this. I actually I do think it
[40:58] looks great, but I know I definitely
want to hear their perspectives from the
[41:03] board.
>> Um, but as I'm listening, I'm just
[41:05] thinking of trying to find solutions.
Uh, have you ever the Knights of
[41:10] Columbus, would they hang those banners
in the winter in there
[41:13] » inside?
>> Inside
[41:15] » maybe. And maybe that could be a spot
for those specific banners and then the
[41:19] town could put this on the outfield.
Just food for thought.
[41:23] » Yeah, 100%. I never asked them about
that, but maybe. Maybe.
[41:27] » Would it would it be possible for us to
approve those banners through this
[41:32] October
>> and then you can or the members of the
[41:36] fairy baseball can come back to us and
give us their opinion on this.
[41:41] » But I I
>> I would like to see I would like to give
[41:44] you that. Yeah, they have a meeting
tomorrow. So, I was just going to tell
[41:47] them how this went
before you just the one thing I want to
[41:51] bring up that hasn't come up here
>> because he brought up something
[41:54] important which was basically precedent
is making sure that we're consistent in
[42:00] every decision that we make. So why I
also think and council I I hear what
[42:08] you're saying but also you want to be
consistent
[42:11] » because if we allow anyone to put up
what they want wherever they want to put
[42:18] it and
someone puts up something else somewhere
[42:23] else that maybe you you end up in a
position that you don't want to be in as
[42:29] a municipality. So I'm just bringing
that up. Um, someone's going to make a
[42:32] motion. I thought
>> I'll make a motion that we allow the
[42:36] signs to stand as they are this year
until October and that we revisit the
[42:44] signage in
see what baseball thinks about our
[42:48] proposed. Sorry.
>> Yeah. You let me know and I'll report
[42:52] back. I'll get this. I think Joe already
has this anyway.
[42:54] » You can take it.
>> Yeah. and then um I'll let them know and
[42:57] then they'll they'll have to get some
people together
[42:59] » just to just to uh well why don't we
vote first? Um all in favor?
[43:03] » I
>> anyone
[43:08] um as it stands now they're good till
October. If we don't vote though on a
[43:15] [clears throat] new sign or on the
existing signs they're not good for
[43:19] until there's another
>> I'll let him know tomorrow that they
[43:23] have to actually get something together.
get in touch with you. I don't know if
[43:26] they're going to want to do their own
mockup, present it to you guys,
[43:30] » whatever the bouncing of ideas is going
to be back and forth.
[43:32] » Absolutely.
>> And then go by October.
[43:35] » Uh yes. Okay. I I understand that
completely.
[43:37] » And also just on our end on the science
standards like what are our next steps
[43:42] to be able to start to put something in
place because I just feel like we're
[43:46] just going to and I said this last time
like we're just going to keep getting
[43:49] ourselves.
>> That's a communications committee. What
[43:52] committee is that? It's planning and
design.
[43:55] » Yeah. I mean, it falls on it falls under
a couple different committees. So,
[43:59] » yeah,
[44:03] » but I but I think we could um
I agree like we've talked about it
[44:08] enough. Um
>> um we could workshop it, but I would
[44:14] suggest if it's okay, can we talk about
it maybe offline? Yeah,
[44:18] » we get sort of a process that's because
I think we probably want a professional
[44:22] here to take his photo so we can look at
what it could the product could look
[44:25] like.
Okay,
[44:27] » I just don't want it fall on the way.
>> No, I think it's that okay.
[44:32] » Yeah, but planning is prime.
>> Mayor, can we just make one
[44:37] clarification? Just got a text from
recreation director. Just want one
[44:40] clarification. So when we say October,
we're going through October 31st or
[44:44] October 1st just only because their
season doesn't go through November 1st.
[44:48] Just so it's clear. We
>> When does it go through?
[44:50] » Uh November 1st it goes through. So we
putting the signs through October 31st.
[44:54] » Do you need a new motion to extend it to
November 1st?
[44:57] » October.
>> So through October October it doesn't
[45:00] even because that we can take them down.
>> Whether the baseball season is going to
[45:05] continue for another week or day from
there that would be in playoff times by
[45:09] that time, right?
We might not even be home for that. It
[45:12] might be all the way. So,
>> so we'll we'll we'll I'll make sure that
[45:16] Joe knows they're coming down October
31st. No later.
[45:21] » Thank you. Thank you.
>> I don't know if I can add one more thing
[45:24] about the Snapchat because I didn't
know. Not that it's going to I just want
[45:28] to
>> uh put it on. We're going to be on
[45:31] public comment on agenda items only
after the next thing. Save for that.
[45:34] » Oh, I got one more thing. I got one
second.
[45:38] » Yeah, just hang out. Okay. I got One
more. All right. Thank you, Mike. Uh,
[45:44] next up is Bsentennial Hall landscape
plan.
[45:49] » Welcome back.
>> Are you
[45:54] » Is the tripod in the
>> Yeah, I'll grab it.
[45:56] » Thank you.
[46:14] Is that it?
[46:17] Think that's good.
[46:29] Yeah,
>> good evening. Um, uh, I don't know how
[46:33] many of you have seen this plan in
different format. Maybe you have.
[46:37] » Um,
>> is this updated from the last session?
[46:40] » So, this is the none of it would have
been the same plan you've seen seen
[46:44] previously. Right. Right. So um so
obviously this work is being taken in
[46:48] conjunction with the uh architectural
improvements that the historic
[46:53] association is engaged in organizing.
And so um uh I was asked out of a
[46:59] landscape architect to um as you to uh
help with the uh the landscape
[47:04] improvements and um and so this plant
represents um uh basically my
[47:09] collaboration with the uh association
members. And um the overriding concept
[47:17] here was basically to create something
that would be compatible with the
[47:21] neighborhood while at the same time
respecting um this um uh fairly
[47:27] significant piece of architecture even
though architecturally it's not um you
[47:31] know not the Vatican or St. Paul's
Cathedral, but it um but it really
[47:35] warrants u being preserved. And
certainly from a landscape standpoint,
[47:40] there are a lot of different strategies
that we could pursue. Um but we we don't
[47:44] want to turn it into a a residential
landscape. Um um and um um and so the
[47:52] plan does not attempt at to include any
foundation plantings, whatnot. Um the
[47:57] the idea basically being that um um that
it needs to be cleaned up, some things
[48:04] removed, some things um added, but um we
would really like the building to
[48:09] present itself to the street in a in a
slightly more um almost like reverential
[48:15] way. um uh uh obviously it's not a
religious or not providing religious
[48:21] services now but uh but it it has that
aura about it and and so uh we wanted to
[48:27] um to respect that and so the the
landscape from the the front plane of
[48:32] the building out to Cedar um Avenue um
the idea um is to uh actually uh uh
[48:40] transplant uh the two holly trees that
are currently growing in front of the
[48:46] building. So, you actually can't even
see about a third of the building. Um,
[48:50] and so those would be those would be
transplanted to the northern property
[48:54] line, which is to the left on on this
plan. Um, and um, uh, obviously there
[48:59] there also two large oak trees um,
adjacent to the sidewalk that that would
[49:04] be um, those obviously would be
retained. And um the idea being to
[49:09] essentially to simplify um the landscape
and um and to do um to make uh gestures
[49:17] that are appropriate for the for the
building uh while also perhaps providing
[49:22] for um this the uh the site to allow for
other sorts of activities. So for
[49:27] example at the the back right hand
corner that what's proposed there is a a
[49:32] small paved uh um terrace. there would
be an all weather um surface and it
[49:37] takes advantage of what is a bit of lost
real estate um uh in that that far back
[49:45] back corner um and um and actually
pushing both the north and the south
[49:50] along the north south property lines
pushing the bed lines back because over
[49:55] time the English ivy and whatnot has
kind of crept into the the lawn. So, um
[50:00] if there were, for example, at some
point, um interest in erecting a a tent,
[50:06] um you would have a big enough area to
to allow um that that sort of um
[50:10] activity to um to take place. Um and um
uh there's also well, I guess is more
[50:18] part of the architectural um uh plan,
but the the trash receptacles will now
[50:24] be sort of stored behind behind the
building. there's a generator, small
[50:29] generator that will also be behind um
the building. Um and uh so this plan
[50:35] does does add a a brick walkway which is
an extension of the existing uh walks uh
[50:41] to gain access. Um and um from a
horicultural standpoint um um anything
[50:48] that we would be or the majority of what
we would be um adding um would be native
[50:54] plant material and um and that would
take so there different different ways
[50:59] that would be manifest on the plan. Um
one is again to be respectful to the
[51:04] neighbors since we have obviously a
commercial building to the north but
[51:07] residences to the uh on the other
property lines. Uh uh the plan would is
[51:14] suggesting that we would be adding some
evergreen trees around around the uh the
[51:19] perimeter. Um and um and and in
conjunction with that um other um
[51:25] ornamental
uh plants, but I almost had hesitate to
[51:29] use that that word because um the idea
would be to take advantage of the
[51:32] there's a tree canopy there now. So
there's a lot of shade which will
[51:36] actually limit the pallet of plant
material that can be used. And uh the
[51:40] intention is not to create like an
arboritum or whatever. It's really a
[51:44] matter of of accentuating um the uh the
existing landscape that's there which is
[51:50] basically canopy trees. Um and um um and
also dealing with the the topography uh
[51:58] which both to the uh the north and the
east on this plan uh uh is somewhat
[52:03] precipitous if you're familiar with the
site that the the topography does fall
[52:07] rather quickly. um in in both the
northerly and easterly direction. So um
[52:13] so we'll have to deal with um or part of
the landscape application here would be
[52:17] to ensure that um uh that we actually
stabilize the ground. Right. Right now
[52:23] there are some there's well there's a
combination of uh of i the English ivy
[52:28] some fina there's some native um uh the
native grape vines that are growing o o
[52:36] o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o
over things um and uh and so part of the
[52:40] project would be literally just
simplifying um the landscape and all of
[52:44] this course is done with an eye toward
toward maintenance. Um uh we all know
[52:49] that there is no no maintenance
landscape but uh but I think with the
[52:54] the proper selection of of plants um uh
essentially well as I understand now the
[53:00] DPW is does the lawnmowing and so we
would still have that as part of the the
[53:04] the scope but um but the expectation
would be that um that the ongoing uh
[53:10] landscape would u probably require like
seasonal like you know four times a year
[53:16] someone would probably a crew of two or
three people would have to walk through
[53:19] with their pruning shears and and um do
a little bit of neatening up. But um uh
[53:25] but the expectation is not to create
something that would uh would require a
[53:30] great deal of um attention. The only
place where there's anything that that I
[53:34] guess you would say is an embellishment
is immediately in front of the building
[53:39] itself where the the ex the existing um
brick uh patio is. Um the idea uh here
[53:46] was again in keeping with trying to
elevate how the building presents itself
[53:50] to the road u um the plan is showing
some low evergreens creating a couple of
[53:55] plant beds that could have perennials um
in them but but but both both of these
[54:00] little little bed areas are smaller than
the area that you're you're sitting. So
[54:05] it's it's really something that could be
quite quite manageable. Um uh so um I I
[54:12] tell everyone I can draw you Versail
Gardens if you want, but if it's not
[54:15] going to get maintained, I'd prefer not
to even get start that. Um and so um so
[54:22] there would need to be a bit of an
ongoing um attention to that that part
[54:26] of it. But um um but it would not be
other than mowing of the grass on a
[54:32] weekly or bi-weekly basis, it would not
require um you know hiring a full-time
[54:37] gardener to to take care of this. Um um
over time um uh with these sorts of
[54:45] plantings and depending on how much sort
of handing does go on, a lot of these
[54:49] things will sort of take on a life of
their own as you probably know. I think
[54:53] if we uh select the right the right
plants and especially in the areas where
[54:58] I mentioned previously the northern and
eastern property lines where the
[55:02] topography falls off having some plants
that actually um uh sort of um are
[55:07] allowed to grow to their full potential
actually would be advantageous. Um so in
[55:13] all probability and we've spoken about
the fact that um that with anything like
[55:17] this um in all probability it would be
useful for the neighbors to be um
[55:21] introduced to the to the project uh
before um too much goes on because
[55:26] obviously it's it it is something that
will um that the the visually the
[55:31] landscape it would definitely change to
for the better but um but it would be a
[55:35] change and I know frequently um uh uh uh
we don't want someone coming home from
[55:41] work one and saying, "Oh my god, what
have they done?" Um, and I think it's
[55:45] it's all going to be a very very
positive um uh improvement anyway. And I
[55:50] think it'll it'll really fill in rather
nicely with the uh with the neighborhood
[55:55] and be a nice a nice compliment um
without um without turning it into like
[55:59] an institutional looking looking
structure.
[56:03] » Uh thank you. First of all, if I recall,
you're donating your time as well.
[56:06] Correct. I want to um make sure everyone
understands that. very appreciative. Um,
[56:12] obviously an amazing job. My a few
questions. My the I think the concerns I
[56:19] have are the same as they were the last
time we discussed it. Um, is just the
[56:24] impervious surfaces that we're adding
like you said in the back corner, just
[56:28] to fill the space. I guess my question
is, are we doing it just to do it? Um,
[56:33] are we better off maybe just with with
just the shrubbery back there um for
[56:37] drainage reasons? Um, and then I think
he said there was a brick walkway behind
[56:42] this well that
>> I think those are the two things that I
[56:46] I'd probably reference and just ask the
question whether they were necessary for
[56:50] the plan and maybe they are maybe
there's an idea about you know um you
[56:55] know the theming that we want to put on
there and how we want to use those
[56:59] spaces that I'm not aware of and maybe
they're fantastic. And then you touched
[57:03] on the maintenance that was my other
concern. I didn't know if Nick had been
[57:07] um you know spoken. Yeah. If he was
consulted about if he was raped. Uh it's
[57:13] obviously what I hope. Um as far as
because you know DPW I know you s I'm
[57:18] sarcastic with the botanical gardens but
we did lose a bunch of those trees and
[57:23] some of the things that are there and
it's something every time we put more in
[57:26] we got to you got to worry about taking
care of them. Um, and then the other
[57:31] thing I want to point out is you talking
about the tree county, you just said we
[57:34] want to maximize the tree county, right?
Correct. Yeah. You don't need a study
[57:37] for that. That's a great idea. Um,
that's all I have. I mean, I I I love
[57:41] it. It looks beautiful. I just want to
make sure um, you know, there's a reason
[57:46] we're putting in that back corner that
makes sense for Fair Haven. Um,
[57:50] » like placemaking. I think that, you
know, we always talk about this race
[57:53] talks about a lot. It does give it just
something like I walked around with my
[57:56] dog. I would have sat there for a few
minutes. like I
[57:59] » it does add something, but it of course
if it makes sense with drainage like
[58:04] obviously that's a big thing. Um but I
the the pathway in the back I do think
[58:08] is good because when we were there for
love where you live day the garbages are
[58:11] on the side and I know that your
intention was to make it so the garbages
[58:15] can go in the back and so it does give
them like a flat surface to be on
[58:19] because they kind if you go there now
they're like very visible on the right
[58:22] side. So I think that's not a bad thing.
You say we're talking about putting
[58:25] garbages in the back corner on the
circle.
[58:28] » No, no, no.
>> I see the P.
[58:32] » Can I uh add a couple points to round
out what Stephen has put on offer for
[58:36] council? Um so this plan has been um
presented to the historic preservation
[58:43] commission and endorsed there the shade
tree commission and also supported there
[58:48] and the um facilities committee met with
me Nick and Rich
[58:54] I think um I don't think you were there
at that meeting but we did talk about
[59:00] the components that were being put
forward by uh ghosting park and they
[59:06] proposed bringing putting a cans to back
which I agree with by ordinance we're
[59:09] not supposed to be able to see them on
the street anyway so they should be back
[59:12] there um and uh the dedicated bicycle
rack there were a couple of things that
[59:18] were um cons part of the list of work
that the local government is planning to
[59:26] do to improve the building and the site
and this landscape plan um uh
[59:33] come included it so it so that it is all
cohesive
[59:37] where for example I'm sorry I left on
where for example the architect um
[59:41] proposed a concrete pad chain link fence
around the trash um at the facilities
[59:48] committee meeting it was discussed by
the engineer and our head of DPW that it
[59:52] it it's a little was little overkill and
that continuing the brick walk and doing
[59:58] a landscape border to to close was just
a more appropriate design response to
[1:00:04] the problem that was being solved with
maybe just two big
[1:00:09] » the back right corner. What's the thing
in that? So that it's very interesting
[1:00:13] and I what I would say for council is
when you go to look at that site
[1:00:19] what this plan will feel like compared
to what it feels like now
[1:00:24] it's easy to not understand how much of
the property is not part of how we use
[1:00:30] the site now because from the outside
edge of that circle that you can see
[1:00:35] that's at the line at the lawn it all
drops away and there was a a compost
[1:00:40] area in a farm that you know the
neighbors just sort of you know it
[1:00:44] looked neglected and unused and and uh
they didn't see a property line and so
[1:00:49] you know those things happen. So this
would essentially reclaim and capture
[1:00:54] what is the public space that
>> could that be stone dust or like you
[1:00:58] know you remember we once talked about a
parking lot that was like sort of y
[1:01:02] » impervious and it had but it had brick
in it also to give some stability.
[1:01:06] » Yeah. I I'm going to let Stephen, but
I'll just tell you a dry set brick is
[1:01:09] also it
>> there needs to be a dream future
[1:01:12] component in that corner whether we
leave it the way it is or do something
[1:01:16] to recapture a useful space for our
community and and I'll let Stephen
[1:01:20] address it. But the only other thing I
wanted to add is there at the facilities
[1:01:24] committee meeting it was discussed
whether or not we need a sprinkler
[1:01:26] system and we want to go ahead and
incorporate sprinkler system that way.
[1:01:31] you know, mostly it's has to do with the
lawn, but a drip line in the the buffer
[1:01:35] will help to ensure healthy growth and
you know, so it's a it's a little extra
[1:01:40] expense, but it's probably it's a smart
uh it's a smart move to ensure that
[1:01:45] things, you know, well, your GP is
important. I just want to be consistent.
[1:01:51] We were with the tennis fors, you know
what I mean? We were thinking about
[1:01:54] putting the asphalt path and and we
ended up going with the stone dust. You
[1:01:59] could talk about that. Yeah, the um
there are a lot of well two things. One
[1:02:04] is and we may have discussed previously
the principal generator of storm water
[1:02:09] run is obviously the building itself and
and so the the roof leaders do go into
[1:02:15] the ground. I guess we don't know
exactly
[1:02:17] » on either side of the building
>> there are dry wells there to my
[1:02:20] knowledge that they're they're actually
operating. I mean what I've driven by
[1:02:23] when it's raining I don't see any
waterfalls coming along off of uh cloud
[1:02:28] gutters or whatever. So that seems to be
working. With regard to that the uh that
[1:02:32] actual patio area, we haven't actually
selected a paver or whatever for that.
[1:02:37] But there are um pavers that are
specifically made to serve the same
[1:02:42] purpose as so-called orus asphalt, which
you you probably had seen. There are
[1:02:47] these really dramatic um uh
demonstrations of that where fire trucks
[1:02:51] will take a 4 inch fire hose and shoot
water onto porous asphalt and it
[1:02:56] literally won't go more than 10 ft. It
just dis because there's so much pore
[1:03:00] space in the asphalt. Well, there are
pavers that are made to serve the same
[1:03:04] purpose. They have about a 3/8 inch
joint and you actually put the
[1:03:09] equivalent of stone dust in that joint.
Um, and so I would expect that this
[1:03:15] patio area would actually not generate
and it would become its own dry well if
[1:03:19] you would. It has a porous base under
it.
[1:03:21] » That would be awesome. Uh, Nick, just
one question. Does this water He just
[1:03:26] said we don't know where it goes. Does
it go towards Colonial? [laughter]
[1:03:32] » No, it is nowhere near
[1:03:38] » I appreciate the question. Can I ask a
couple questions? Um I I also had the
[1:03:44] same question about stone dust for the
path around the building as well as in
[1:03:49] that back right hand corner. Are you
proposing to put benches back there? Um
[1:03:55] there there is interest and once the
landscape is developed um and we'd
[1:04:00] actually hope that this would become
part of the sort of fair haven green
[1:04:04] space if you would and that perhaps
people would want to go and spend time
[1:04:07] there and so so we would expect that
there probably would be benches um in
[1:04:12] several locations around the perimeter
where you get literally sit in the shade
[1:04:16] of of a tree and and sort of just enjoy
the the quiet. So, you mentioned uh
[1:04:22] mowing the lawn as part of the
maintenance plan. So, all of all of
[1:04:27] these new plantings and landscaping
designs that you're proposing,
[1:04:33] who is expected to maintain it? Do you
expect the burrow to maintain it or do
[1:04:38] you have volunteers that are going to do
this? Well, yeah, like I I I mentioned
[1:04:43] what the initial installation definitely
requires a bit of attention, but but
[1:04:48] ongoing I would not expect it to be
something that would have to be done on
[1:04:53] a uh you
>> mentioned four times a year,
[1:04:56] » right? Something like that would
probably be be certainly would be
[1:05:00] necessary. Yeah, that's what that that's
I mean our property
[1:05:05] » because these are not going to be plants
that that you would need to go out and
[1:05:09] shape into like little green meatballs
or anything
[1:05:13] mulched and
>> yeshm
[1:05:17] » do they take water better than or that's
standard watering the first year year
[1:05:22] and a half?
>> Um I think well we would expect that
[1:05:25] there there would be a um a drip
irrigation system for the for the new
[1:05:29] plantings. So for the first year or two
that would be that would
[1:05:33] » that factored into the cost of all of
this?
[1:05:35] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:05:37] » As part of the investment. Do we do you
have an idea of how much all this
[1:05:41] » um I'm in the process of of developing
that? But I don't have one for you
[1:05:46] tonight unfortunately.
>> Is the storm association covering that
[1:05:49] cost the landscape? It's not the burrow.
>> Yeah. But we'll let you from what I
[1:05:54] understand.
>> The maintenance is going to be the
[1:05:57] burrow. The initial installation and the
tree landscaping and stuff.
[1:06:02] » Just if we had been maintaining this
prop property for the last 20 years,
[1:06:07] we'd be in the situation anyway if we'd
have to maintain it. So like it's any
[1:06:11] other burough property. Now we're
actually going to make it look standard.
[1:06:15] So
>> you know, we're adding one or
[1:06:17] » definitely I mean it's going to add it,
but this is
[1:06:19] » a burden on DPW. I don't want that to
happen. And I I have one last question.
[1:06:25] At your last presentation, I think you
mentioned a vegetable garden.
[1:06:30] » Did you talk about that?
>> The um uh there were some members of the
[1:06:34] historic association that thought that
and it's still on the plan to the north
[1:06:39] here on the plan.
>> Right. Right. So that that that's sort
[1:06:43] of lingering on the plan. Um but I think
that's probably not as high a priority
[1:06:47] as as as it was.
Okay.
[1:06:52] » I don't know how crazy I see a liability
there.
[1:06:56] » And and other people.
So the discussion and it is lingering.
[1:07:02] It's just a it's a placeholder for a
thought. It doesn't have to happen. It
[1:07:05] can happen. It could go in be removed.
It's not a is not a permanent but it
[1:07:09] could also not go in ever you know but
[clears throat] the the thinking was and
[1:07:15] correct me where I might be off at least
is the president historic association
[1:07:18] can talk about it. There was
conversation about historic gardens and
[1:07:24] the herbs and things that were grown and
used in households
[1:07:29] in back in the day. And would it be
interesting to have programs that tied
[1:07:34] in with our history and be able to grow
those herbs or medicinal plants and
[1:07:42] flowers um to incorporate into some
educational program.
[1:07:46] » It was more of an educational tool.
[1:07:51] » Yeah. And perhaps you could get the girl
scouts or the boy scouts and that could
[1:07:54] be something that they work on.
>> And we could use
[1:07:59] a really strong. Is this is this an
issue with someone eating burrow
[1:08:04] produced product and they have some sort
of
[1:08:07] » sides?
[1:08:13] Well,
>> there's always the liability that
[1:08:15] [clears throat]
>> I love the idea.
[1:08:18] » We're not are we selling it? Are we
giving it away?
[1:08:21] » I don't know what like we said. That's a
lower. It sounds like that's a lower
[1:08:29] » on the drawing as raised bed
which should be collapsed and remove or
[1:08:35] it's easy to install after the fact. We
can even just move that discussion to
[1:08:39] down the road and just come back to it
later to see if it's still something
[1:08:43] that has merit. I mean at some point
there probably maybe there will be
[1:08:49] historic images on display and some to a
certain extent there are maybe there
[1:08:53] will be cuts and maybe maybe that'll
have a place but maybe things go in a
[1:08:57] different direction and it doesn't have
a place but it could be added later with
[1:09:01] Google.
>> Yeah, I just two more points. one um at
[1:09:04] the shade tree commission we did talk
about how he his pruning plan and I
[1:09:08] really love his approach to pruning
where it's kind of taking some out slow
[1:09:12] like in pieces so that you can see what
does maybe bloom after things that might
[1:09:17] have looked like they were dead before
can actually have life. So I loved that
[1:09:21] approach and we were talking about how
do we like
[1:09:23] » maybe as a burrow also take that
approach on more projects. The second
[1:09:27] thing is when I went over there the
other day it really does go down. I
[1:09:30] didn't realize how steep it was. So, I
think that's the big thing for me is
[1:09:35] just the safety of that and making sure
that that really is stabilized. I have
[1:09:39] to suspect that that's going to take a
little bit more of the money. Like I
[1:09:42] think that might be costly a little bit
is the stabilization of that. But that's
[1:09:46] just me as a person.
>> I want to say garrison or something.
[1:09:50] » I don't know. So stabilize it.
>> Well, you know the rule with things like
[1:09:55] that steep topography number one is
don't touch it if you don't have to. Um
[1:10:00] and walls are expensive.
>> Yeah. um if you're going to terrorist
[1:10:04] because once you get started with that
it's yeah that that corner the uh the
[1:10:08] northeast corner there um um number one
it's not obvious that your property line
[1:10:14] extends literally within six feet of
that building
[1:10:18] » and there's a little little chain link
fence that they have um and um it is
[1:10:23] over a six foot grade change
>> um it's almost a oneonone or 45 degree
[1:10:29] slope um coming up um at at this corner
So, uh, right now it has vines and
[1:10:34] things on it and so, uh, when some of
the initial cleanup gets done, um, we
[1:10:40] should really tell who's ever doing that
stay off of that until the last moment
[1:10:43] so we can really see what we have to
have to deal. Fortunately, we're not the
[1:10:47] plan doesn't direct any new storm water,
let's say, in that direction. So,
[1:10:51] there's nothing that we would need to do
to that would destabilize
[1:10:56] that. Um, but we'd want to make sure
that that long term, you know, that it
[1:11:00] takes care of itself. So, um,
>> great. Well, thank you for all these.
[1:11:04] Yeah.
>> Um, what's the ask here? Are we putting
[1:11:08] this by the introduction or are we
voting on this now? Like, what's where
[1:11:12] are we at?
>> Procedurally, that's why I mentioned
[1:11:15] that it's been to all the other, you
know, suspic
[1:11:24] Well, there's pieces. Oh, sorry.
>> It, you know what it is? It's It just
[1:11:28] seems like we're not in agreement on it.
[1:11:33] I think you're saying on the final
>> on the final
[1:11:36] » um you know this the second time I was
at I was at the first presentation it
[1:11:43] correct me if I'm wrong it seems like it
was this you know the same presentation
[1:11:47] but we haven't there hasn't been any
changes there hasn't been any motions
[1:11:50] made to accept and say like you know
remove the vegetable garden or anything
[1:11:55] like that so you could technically you
know put it on by motion and put some
[1:12:01] sort of conditions on it.
>> I'll put I'll put a motion to accept
[1:12:05] this plan so we can move forward but
maybe take out the vegetable vegetable
[1:12:09] garden.
>> Do we need Allison? Do we need a
[1:12:12] introduction and a
adoption for this or no? Because it's
[1:12:17] going to be what might be it's going to
be expensive, right?
[1:12:21] » We're not paying for it.
>> We're not paying for it.
[1:12:28] » Just a motion.
>> Yeah. possible. Right.
[1:12:31] » I'll second it.
>> What are we The one question. What are
[1:12:34] we exactly improving?
>> I The only the only reason I asked is
[1:12:38] because I heard I heard stone dust. I
you know
[1:12:41] » I I personally
>> we talked about porous surface
[1:12:43] potentially like what exactly
>> porous surface. I prefer the stone the
[1:12:50] personally the brick just so it's
consistent with the look of what we
[1:12:53] have.
>> Um but porous is very important. maybe
[1:12:56] no ve vegetable garden and make sure
it's you know stable and all the storm
[1:13:03] water you know root requirements are
part of it
[1:13:07] » and that we approve historic association
to pay for it is that the other piece of
[1:13:11] it do we have to say that
>> um
[1:13:14] » do you know if that has to be
>> well the historic association is already
[1:13:18] um already presented they're paying for
the project so maybe what I mean if you
[1:13:21] wanted to put a stipulation in that this
project would be um conducted with no
[1:13:25] cost to Burrow, you could put that in
the motion. I think that'd be fair to
[1:13:28] say.
>> Is there like a list of this is what's
[1:13:30] in the project like based like you have
the picture obviously and you discussed
[1:13:34] it. You you have a very great knowledge
of it which I heard, but is there a list
[1:13:39] of these, you know, this is the
landscaping that's going in. We're
[1:13:44] putting in 80 linear feet of, you know,
so we know what we're
[1:13:48] » Yeah. We don't uh we don't have an
official sort of uh bullet pointed.
[1:13:52] That's my That's my only thing is you
you did a great presentation, but like
[1:13:56] we're approving more of a concept in my
opinion. I I'd like to just like
[1:14:01] » a material sheet.
>> Well, a material exactly what we're
[1:14:04] doing and we come in and we literally we
know exactly what we're approving. I
[1:14:07] don't I'm not hearing any push back.
>> No,
[1:14:10] » I think this is supported
>> n at least 90% by each.
[1:14:15] » Can we say we introduce it next with the
condition or
[1:14:19] » I don't even think we need to introduce
it. I think I I'll we'll put it right
[1:14:22] back on to vote on it. But then at least
we know exactly what we're voting on. We
[1:14:26] are changing the burough
>> landscape,
[1:14:29] » but
>> pretty substantially.
[1:14:32] » But what we have to understand is there
is a cost to the burrow. So just so
[1:14:35] everyone's clear and it's not to to put
the project,
[1:14:39] » you know, to bed. It's
>> there will be ongoing maintenance that
[1:14:44] is performed by the burough. So the
resolution would right put it by way of
[1:14:48] resolution.
That's something we should have this
[1:14:52] whole time.
>> Yeah.
[1:14:55] So,
>> well, we're doing
[1:14:57] » but this this would be
>> Well, no, we're really we should have
[1:15:01] been because it's overgrown and
>> but I I think it you know a resolution
[1:15:05] should encompass that there will be
maintenance that's required of the DPW
[1:15:09] workers to
>> and that's an expense that will be borne
[1:15:14] by the burrow
>> by by the burrow. Right. I'm not I'm not
[1:15:17] saying that should be the the term here.
I'm just saying that it's something that
[1:15:20] we'd have to put out there.
>> It's going to be a deterrent. I think we
[1:15:23] need to know what we're approving
specifically as a governing body and
[1:15:28] also know what those um obviously an
idea of what those costs will be. I
[1:15:33] think we already do know, but um
>> I still like the vegetable garden.
[1:15:39] » Listen, [laughter]
if if that's if that's put on there, but
[1:15:44] at least we know we're voting on that
right now. I don't know what we're
[1:15:47] voting on. Exactly what plant and what
>> I listen
[1:15:51] » yeah like what's being removed what's
being
[1:15:54] » yeah I think how much extra footage
we're getting what's native and what's
[1:15:58] not native we you know
>> what's being
[1:16:00] » Can I ask Nick can you ask Nick can we
ask you a question what like in your
[1:16:05] opinion how much extra work do you think
this is going to be
[1:16:09] » uh generally speaking uh obviously the
addition of sprinkler system and a you
[1:16:15] know soaking hose around the perimeter
plantings There's additional cost
[1:16:19] associated with the water um for for the
landscaping and then also uh any
[1:16:26] operational type of the sprinkler has to
get damaged or broken have to get
[1:16:30] replaced and you know repaired
>> blowing out the system
[1:16:33] » um and then winterizing the system in
the in the in the fall and winter then
[1:16:38] startup associated with that as well. uh
you know obviously there's existing lawn
[1:16:43] mowing that happens uh in and around the
facility um as discussed most of the
[1:16:48] plantings that I guess are being
discussed are native plants so hopefully
[1:16:52] they don't need to be replaced or um
much pruning or much attention needed to
[1:17:00] them on a on a weekly or monthly basis
is kind of hopefully you kind of plant
[1:17:04] it you let it live and then it receds
itself on an annual basis uh with there
[1:17:10] could be some costs associated with, you
know, maybe there's a species that
[1:17:15] didn't take it didn't work and have to
it has to be replaced or amended at some
[1:17:19] point in the future.
>> Um, you know, square footage wise, um,
[1:17:24] you know, mulch, obviously right now the
the the perimeter is is is the way it is
[1:17:31] because of the steep slopes. There's
hesitation to do any type of work. You
[1:17:35] know, the ivy is obviously
not native, but it it's a good form of
[1:17:41] slope stabilization there. So,
>> we didn't really go into treating it or
[1:17:46] pulling it out because we didn't want to
cause unintended consequences to the
[1:17:49] neighbor without, you know, a solution
to kind of mitigate those things. Um,
[1:17:55] » could we leave the ivy? Could we leave
the ivy in that especially in the back
[1:17:59] corners? Is that something that's
possible or is that screw up everything?
[1:18:03] It might actually be best to as much as
we don't really like the ivy, but there
[1:18:08] are times when it's the right ground
cover. Yes.
[1:18:11] » The the only thing that um I was
confused on Nick, you said a sprinkler
[1:18:15] system. I thought you said a slow drip.
Is are those two different things?
[1:18:18] » I always drip like with a hose that
would just
[1:18:22] » that would be for the border where the
>> Yeah. I didn't know if there was a
[1:18:25] discussion about, you know, sprinkling
the lawn area and then a soaker hose in
[1:18:29] the landscape beds. I thought that was
maybe what it would be that I didn't see
[1:18:33] an irrigation plant.
>> Okay.
[1:18:35] » Is is there underground sprinkler
systems being put in?
[1:18:39] » Yes.
>> Yeah,
[1:18:40] » there are.
>> I think that's what they were initially
[1:18:42] discussing earlier.
>> I was I was I was against the
[1:18:51] » curious.
[1:18:55] Pardon me. Are you replacing water?
>> Um well any lawn work would be dependent
[1:19:01] upon uh how much um disturbance uh
resulted from the the planting or
[1:19:07] construction activities. And so um in
all probability we would just um seed
[1:19:12] over the existing lawn. Soding the
entire property would be sort of
[1:19:17] prohibited costwise and is really not
actually even necessary. Um, but having
[1:19:22] a drip irrigation system for the
plantings is really if you're investing
[1:19:26] in plants that first year is um I mean
>> you all know you try to go out and water
[1:19:33] all your trees or whatnot. Um it's it's
it's a cost effective way of it's an
[1:19:37] insurance policy on your plants. Um
>> so um but you're correct. There's a uh a
[1:19:44] cost just for the water. The uh drip
systems of course are the most efficient
[1:19:49] because they're not throwing they're
delivering it where where you need it.
[1:19:52] Um
>> drip systems work for grass.
[1:19:55] » Pardon me.
>> Can drip drip systems work for gr for
[1:19:58] lawn or just
>> No, it would just be for the just for
[1:20:01] the shrubs. Yeah, the lawns would have
to have the popup.
[1:20:04] » So that's a good example. Like I just
don't think we even knew what we were
[1:20:07] going if we can get a list of everything
that's being done for this project. It
[1:20:11] goes back on agenda. Our next meeting is
three weeks. Alison
[1:20:14] » September 14th. September 14th. I'm
assuming there won't be any huge issues,
[1:20:18] but at that time we couldn't really look
at it. Um,
[1:20:22] » let's confirm Steve can generate that
and because we were also trying to
[1:20:26] » No, I'd be happy.
>> No, no, Mayor the 14th police swearing
[1:20:31] in that night too. Said it's going to be
a long meeting just to
[1:20:34] » but what we can do is have as um it's
really it's a
[1:20:39] » it'll be in our detail and stuff like
that. So it'll be available. Is there is
[1:20:44] there
>> I think what you're saying is important.
[1:20:46] Um and I just want to give some context
though because I think for me we've been
[1:20:51] talking about this on the historic side
of things for years. So I'm like I guess
[1:20:55] I'm a little eager to get it done
because it has been kind of just fixing
[1:20:58] up bsentennial hall in general. So but I
think what all your points are important
[1:21:03] and that's a good thing for us to see
before we
[1:21:05] » Is there a timing issue on getting the
plants in the ground? Yeah.
[1:21:08] » Is this a spring thing now based on the
timing? um um anytime you know
[1:21:14] traditionally um September 1st until
snowfall is our prime time. So we would
[1:21:21] like to move this forward.
>> Let's say we gave approval. I'm talking
[1:21:24] to everyone here. Um you know is this
something that the does this go to bid?
[1:21:31] I mean they're paying for it themselves.
I I'm trying to figure out timing though
[1:21:35] like do I need to rush to put this on a
meeting when we might have a very long
[1:21:38] night. Um, or could I put it on a
meeting two meetings from now? I just
[1:21:42] want to make sure I'm moving the right.
>> We need to get this moving as soon as
[1:21:46] possible to get the the trees that need
to be eliminated eliminated and get what
[1:21:52] we need to get in the ground before it
gets too.
[1:21:55] » That's what I'm saying. We're trying to
do this for the fall.
[1:21:58] » Yeah. This has been going on.
>> So, so our plan right now is to put it
[1:22:04] on the next meeting. Assuming that we
get that list and it gives us time as a
[1:22:08] group to look at it, we'll um it'll be
back on workshop, right, Alison? Or or
[1:22:13] would you put it in a different
>> It could go if we're doing a resolution
[1:22:17] just to bullet point by this, it's being
maintained by this.
[1:22:21] » No, but the problem
>> we do that then there's going to be
[1:22:25] there might be some items that they take
out of the
[1:22:28] » we can workshop it and list a resolution
and if nobody agrees then we resolution
[1:22:32] » that sounds great. Good to go.
>> Thank you so much. Thank you.
[1:22:36] » Appreciate it. We'll move forward.
>> All right. Uh, next up, that was a very
[1:22:41] long minute. Mike, come on. Back up.
Public comment on agenda items only.
[1:22:48] » Yeah, I'm just wanted to make a couple.
I did not know that Secret was going to
[1:22:52] make that presentation, but I think it's
a good thing. Just two suggestions.
[1:22:56] » Um, the soccer and baseball use the
Snapchat the most, I think, during their
[1:23:02] season. soccer for shoot.
[clears throat]
[1:23:04] » I think you guys might want to just
touch base with the Steve Cop who I
[1:23:09] think runs soccer and probably Fair
Haven baseball
[1:23:12] » just to go in there. I don't personally
um baseball didn't use the Snapchat for
[1:23:17] many years. When I took over, I opened
it back up. I ran it for about two and a
[1:23:20] half, three years myself. There's there
is quite a bit of stuff. If if Cigar is
[1:23:25] going to go into this and and move some
machinery around, repaint the floors, I
[1:23:31] I don't think there's that much that
needs to be replaced as far as big
[1:23:35] ticket items. Again, I also don't know
who's responsible. I know Chris and I
[1:23:38] have talked about this. I never got a
clear answer about who's actually
[1:23:41] responsible for the equipment in there.
I fixed a couple of the machines myself,
[1:23:45] got them working. The hot dog machine
and pretzel machine are working now. Um
[1:23:49] the refrigerator in there is enormous.
It is definitely on its last legs. Okay.
[1:23:54] Not that it has to be thrown away and
replaced.
[1:23:57] » If you're going to go through this
process now, I think a couple things
[1:24:00] should be looked at. Again, touch base
with maybe soccer. They definitely use
[1:24:05] that place every weekend, right? I don't
know if baseball's going to continue to
[1:24:09] use it. It's it's really up to them. If
somebody has the initiative, they want
[1:24:13] to do it, they'll do it. But generally
baseball has it from March until
[1:24:20] about the beginning of the summer. Well,
I don't even think so. No, soccer takes
[1:24:24] it back over, I think.
>> Does it drive any revenue for baseball?
[1:24:27] Like when you do it or not?
>> It does. It does.
[1:24:29] » It does.
>> It It takes a lot, but um
[1:24:33] there there's a lot of rusty tables in
there. There's some machines that need
[1:24:38] probably someone to look at. Like I
would get a refrigeration guy in there
[1:24:41] to look at that refrigerator and maybe
just clean it up a little bit. It's
[1:24:44] rusted to hell. All the tables are
rusted to hell. There's a giant leak
[1:24:48] under the main sink. So, she's going to
put in the time to epoxy that floor.
[1:24:53] » That leak's got to be fixed.
>> Can I make a suggestion?
[1:24:57] [clears throat]
>> Um, in secrets process, she's an Eagle
[1:25:00] Scout
>> fan. I love that she's doing that.
[1:25:03] » But, but what you're talking about could
conceivably be too much for Scout
[1:25:08] » 100%. But what Secret could do is
interview these key leaders with the
[1:25:13] group and then generate a report for
council that would identify and maybe
[1:25:18] get Nick to to run it by Nick too to
identify.
[1:25:21] » I'm not sure if DJ's still on but he's
been coordinating with the other group
[1:25:25] discussing all those those details. So
maybe he wants to speak to that.
[1:25:29] » Yeah, maybe too. Perhaps Sacred could
identify those improvements or you know
[1:25:35] maybe investments is a better word so we
could consider investing over time
[1:25:40] because I don't think we could do all of
it at once.
[1:25:43] » No, it's just just things to consider
would help.
[1:25:45] » But I think Mike you bring up a good
point. Even the you know this the sink
[1:25:49] leaking underneath that's something we
can have DPW you know now we know about
[1:25:53] we have DBW followup in our facilities.
>> Yeah. you guys are going to be putting
[1:25:56] in this kind of effort if DBW is going
to move this stuff for her to have
[1:26:00] access to do all these repairs and
cleaning and organization.
[1:26:04] » Yeah,
>> might be time to get rid of some of that
[1:26:06] stuff.
>> And and there's a freezer. Fair Haven
[1:26:09] Baseball bought like a thousand deep
freezer that's sitting in the actual
[1:26:13] garage right now.
>> Maybe there's things that can be removed
[1:26:16] there so you guys can move that into the
space so everyone can use it and then
[1:26:20] the garage has more space too because
the BW utilizes the garage.
[1:26:25] There are some things and I think a
couple people that you should probably
[1:26:28] talk to, especially soccer that may be
able to help her with some things what
[1:26:33] to look at because these are the people
who use it the most.
[1:26:37] » All right. Thanks guys. I'll talk about
this on Wednesday. Thanks.
[1:26:42] » Take care.
>> Anyone else public comment on agenda
[1:26:45] items only?
>> Yes, I stand for fair. I just want to
[1:26:51] know for new business introduction of
ordinance. Is this the time to be
[1:26:55] talking about that or wait? Yes,
>> it's okay. So, I just had some questions
[1:27:00] about the
ordinance for the fire truck, which I
[1:27:03] think is great that we have this $1.4
million in our coffers. I guess my
[1:27:09] question is how long do we keep excess
money that's been
[1:27:15] left over from a previous bond? How long
do we keep it in our own bank account?
[1:27:22] » Are we paying interest? Are we paying
interest on that money? Like some of
[1:27:26] this is goes back to 2017.
>> So $50,000 that we've had we borrowed in
[1:27:33] 2017.
We're paying interest on it for nine
[1:27:36] years.
>> So we
[1:27:37] » and then we're going to
>> I can answer some of this and then jump
[1:27:40] in.
>> Okay. So literally just
[1:27:42] » as as long Good question. As long as the
bond deducting, we're paying interest.
[1:27:47] Whether we have it sitting aside, we're
also earning interest if it if it is
[1:27:51] sitting as something,
>> but whether we spend it or not, we're
[1:27:53] paying interest. Um I think there's a
legacy aspect to this um that has caused
[1:28:02] um some of the accounts to build up
longer than might be normal. Um it's
[1:28:07] nothing nefarious or anything. It's just
just they were sort of lingering. I
[1:28:11] think administrator York has done a
great job along with our CFO of
[1:28:14] identifying it and cleaning it up. One
thing that this is maybe news to some of
[1:28:19] us, but one thing that's that Minister
York and I picked about is maybe taking
[1:28:24] some of the money and paying down the
debt.
[1:28:26] » Well, that was reduce the interest cost,
>> right? We have an extra $5,000. Why not
[1:28:30] just
>> Yes, we're return and not pay interest
[1:28:33] on it.
>> It's it's not always an easy. So, when
[1:28:35] you sell a bond, you make an agreement
with the investor that you're not going
[1:28:38] to um pay down the bonds early for a
10-year period.
[1:28:42] » Okay?
>> Typically, on our last deal, we
[1:28:44] negotiate a seven-year lockout.
Um but there might be other ways uh to
[1:28:50] do it, which are a little more advanced,
but but it's not impossible,
[1:28:55] [clears throat]
>> but that's something we're talking
[1:28:56] about, right?
>> Because some of these monies are not a
[1:28:58] lot. $700,000 is a big chunk of change
to be paying interest on. even if we're
[1:29:03] getting interest, we're probably not
getting what we're paying.
[1:29:06] » Yeah, Bill, just and just to add to I
mean, I've obviously been here almost
[1:29:10] two and a half years now. There was a
lot of cleanup that had to get done when
[1:29:13] I did arrive. Um, and last year was
towards the end of uh Councilman
[1:29:17] Olsson's term as chair of finance
council. We had this discussion about
[1:29:21] going through all of the bonds and
determine what money was still left.
[1:29:25] Should money have been left in a bond
from 2017? No, that's that's certainly
[1:29:28] too long. So, there was a lot of cleanup
that had to be made and Nancy and I
[1:29:32] spent a good portion of this year going
through it uh to find it. The fortunate
[1:29:36] thing is we were able to find the
funding out of these bonds to be able to
[1:29:40] pay the fire truck without having to do
permanent financing for us. That's a win
[1:29:43] for everybody. And just adding on to
what Councilman Olsson said too. Um and
[1:29:47] I know Councilman Deelli who's the
shared finance council, we've had the
[1:29:50] conversation as well about it. Um to be
able to use that other money to pay down
[1:29:54] the debt and so a lot of that you those
payments did not hit the tax roles. It's
[1:29:58] another win for the taxpayers as well.
So, I think we're making a lot of good
[1:30:01] moves and with the support of the
council.
[1:30:03] » Great. Thank you very much.
>> Thanks, Bill.
[1:30:06] » Public comments.
[1:30:09] I
I came uh because I have some questions
[1:30:14] and a few
>> I'm Kathy Myum 91 Princeton Road and I
[1:30:20] live on Princeton Road and I know you're
thinking about ordinance 2026-11
[1:30:27] and I'm home during the day and cars
from the school actually don't haven't
[1:30:34] parked on my street uh is my observation
which I wanted to share. And I wondered
[1:30:41] if um perhaps uh the uh Princeton Road
could either be left off of the
[1:30:48] resolution or if you're thinking that
the kids will force be forcing
[1:30:55] themselves to park further down that
way. Also on Harvard Road, we've noticed
[1:31:02] that they don't tend to park on Harvard
Road either. is our observation when we
[1:31:08] go around the block to walk the dog. Um
so that's just food for thought.
[1:31:14] » Mayor, do you want to add to it?
>> Sure. So um
[1:31:17] » so if
>> so we have a so we have the chief's not
[1:31:21] here tonight but Lieutenant Dra is here
and we could just discuss um so going
[1:31:25] back several months ago um we did put no
parking on Cambridge and we did pretty
[1:31:30] about a little over a week and what and
the reason why we had the no parking
[1:31:34] there was to determine will the students
just not park on Cambridge or they're
[1:31:38] going to park somewhere else. Um what
happened when we did prevent the parking
[1:31:41] on Cambridge, they did park on
Princeton, they did park on Harvard,
[1:31:45] they did park on Oxford and they do
every day still park on Ruckers. That's
[1:31:49] one of the other spots as well. So they
did shift. Um the concern of why the
[1:31:53] ordinance was presented in the way it is
>> is because if we do restrict on those
[1:31:57] streets, they are just going to shift
down and park on those and then it push
[1:32:00] it doesn't solve the problem. It pushes
the problem to the other residents and
[1:32:03] now they're having the same quality of
life issue that the residents on
[1:32:06] Cambridge are talking about and some of
the residents on Ruckers. So that's why
[1:32:10] it's included. Um, but again looking at
it and I think the council when they
[1:32:14] were addressing this looked at the most,
you know, you know, non-restrictive way
[1:32:18] to do it and rather than like Rumpson
did two-hour parking or um or just not
[1:32:23] having any parking at all, they did
three-hour parking. So essentially, you
[1:32:26] know, if you if you live in that house,
you don't really have to move your car
[1:32:30] until 10 10:00 a.m. because you have 3
hours it can be parked in that zone. And
[1:32:35] if you go out during the day, like you
come home at 12:05, you know, you don't
[1:32:39] have to move your car either. So it's
only 3 hours. You can't be parked there
[1:32:43] for more than 3 hours. It's probably the
least restrictive for anybody who's
[1:32:46] there going on if they're concerned and
>> right shifting the problem
[1:32:51] » changed people's uh motus operandi I
must say in great in in quite a big
[1:32:59] fashion
um from what their habits are in the
[1:33:05] past not only for the people who live
there uh some people uh have especially
[1:33:12] live on corners they have two entrances
to their homes and that kind of thing
[1:33:17] and they they park. Right. I know my
neighbor park has his
[1:33:20] » and we're not preventing parking. I
mean, you're still allowed to park on
[1:33:23] the street. You just can't leave your
car parked in the same location on that
[1:33:28] street for more than 3 hours.
>> Well, I understand.
[1:33:30] » So, so my other my other
>> it's only between 7 and 3.
[1:33:34] » I understand. And people also have
workers in their homes and things like
[1:33:39] that who need parking. Um on our street
they have nannies and other workers.
[1:33:48] » That's why we didn't want to go to the
permit system because of things like
[1:33:51] that.
>> I the one thing I'll say is every action
[1:33:56] has a reaction,
>> right?
[1:33:58] » Move things around and it'll be a
reaction to that, right? And we're going
[1:34:01] to take that feedback and data and bring
it back up here. And if we need to make
[1:34:06] further changes or or um you know slice
the apple,
[1:34:12] » let me give you some other thoughts that
mean very important to me. I was also
[1:34:17] wondering about the amount of signage
that's going to be placed and the
[1:34:22] spacing of the signage
>> in order to make the message.
[1:34:25] » So I can answer that real quick.
>> I'm very concerned about visual
[1:34:31] uh site pollution and making the message
clear without having lots of signs.
[1:34:38] » We won't have any. So what so um we
spoke with the prosecutor to determine
[1:34:42] what was required for signage. Okay.
>> Uh technically we don't have to put any
[1:34:45] signage there as long as we advertise
the ordinance. We are not required to
[1:34:48] put any signage there for being forced.
Um we did decide we probably should have
[1:34:52] signage there so people are aware. So
there will only be two signs on each
[1:34:57] street or at the entrance. Ruckers will
only have one because it's a culde-sac,
[1:35:01] but all the other streets only have one
at each entrance. So, there'll be the
[1:35:04] least amount of signs possible. Again,
because sign pollution was certainly a
[1:35:09] concern for us. We did want to change
the character of the neighborhood.
[1:35:12] Again, we don't have to put any signs
according to the prosecutor, but again,
[1:35:15] so people are aware that the fair thing
to do with the minimum amount. So, um
[1:35:19] the entrances to the streets, so the
most would be two on each.
[1:35:23] » Perfect.
>> Okay.
[1:35:24] » Solves that problem.
Kathy, one other thing because we care
[1:35:29] about the same things you care about.
>> Oh, right.
[1:35:31] » But hopefully this forever,
>> you know,
[1:35:34] » this is what I would I had that also
here, but I wasn't going to ask.
[1:35:37] [laughter]
>> Yeah, we will see. But
[1:35:41] » yes, I know they want to get on the road
and [clears throat] go
[1:35:45] » their ways.
>> I have a lot of the same concerns as you
[1:35:48] and I still have them. Um, but I do know
something has to happen.
[1:35:52] » Yes. for I hope it's not too horror on
you guys and maybe the school will come
[1:35:57] up with their own solution which will
eliminate all of this inconvenience for
[1:36:02] our res.
>> Oh yes.
[1:36:04] » Yeah. Continue for those people on
Cambridge or Rers. I know that's
[1:36:10] terrible.
>> Okay. Thank you for clarifying that.
[1:36:13] » Thank you. Is there anyone else with
public comment on agenda items only?
[1:36:17] Alison.
[1:36:22] » All right. We're going to move to
approval of minutes July 27, 2026
[1:36:25] special meeting. Do I have a motion to
approve?
[1:36:27] » Motion.
>> A second.
[1:36:29] » Alison, may I please have a roll call?
[1:36:34] » Yes.
>> Pot?
[1:36:35] » Yes.
>> Mi?
[1:36:37] » Yes.
>> Olson?
[1:36:38] » Yes. Uh July 27th, 2026 executive
session. Motion to approve.
[1:36:43] » Motion second.
>> Alison, may I please have a roll call?
[1:36:45] Council on Miss Selling, yes. Cotch,
>> yes.
[1:36:49] » Yes.
>> Uh July 27, 2026 regular meeting motion.
[1:36:54] » Motion to amend.
>> So I So I have a motion to amend. Um
[1:37:00] it's on page eight, line nine.
It says that um
[1:37:07] » hello.
>> So it's it's
[1:37:11] » 27 page. It's the second start second
paragraph. Council me has to step back
[1:37:16] on this. There's something needs to be
done. She refers to the mayor's comment
[1:37:20] methodically debating this matter for
five years and stated that this is the
[1:37:25] first time she ever heard about this.
And that is not what I said. I didn't
[1:37:29] say this was the first time I ever heard
about this. I said this the first time
[1:37:34] we are debating this issue. And I think
there's a big distinction there.
[1:37:37] » So I'd like to make that change.
>> I'll second that. Have you guys moved?
[1:37:43] objection. [laughter]
>> That's all I have. The motion to approve
[1:37:47] or is that done?
>> We need to do we need to we just approve
[1:37:51] it with that change. Alison.
>> Yeah.
[1:37:55] » Motion to approve the amended
minutes.
[1:37:59] » Alison, may I please have a roll call?
Council
[1:38:02] » members call.
>> Yes.
[1:38:04] » Dell.
>> Yes.
[1:38:07] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[1:38:09] » Yes. make an important point where
Allison who made the motion for the
[1:38:14] special meeting.
>> I know I did.
[1:38:16] » Yeah, she wasn't there
>> and I wasn't there. I think Elsa would
[1:38:19] have flagged it if it was a sticking
point. But that was me, Alison.
[1:38:23] » Yeah, she made the council made the made
the motion seconded.
[1:38:27] » I did.
>> And she wasn't at the meeting, didn't
[1:38:28] vote the special meeting. So, should we
redo that?
[1:38:34] » Tell the executive the special meeting.
>> Yeah.
[1:38:39] So, I'd like to make a motion to approve
the special meeting next.
[1:38:42] » I'll second that.
>> Please have a roll call.
[1:38:49] » So, [clears throat] you're talking about
the tan.
[1:38:51] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[1:38:53] » One of the people
special meeting.
[1:38:58] » Wow. That was a good casual.
>> I picked sens as soon as they did and
[1:39:05] then she went to the next. I who thinks
that
[1:39:10] » so the quietest guys listening
to good
[1:39:15] » okay
>> thank you uh next up old business
[1:39:18] hearing and adoption of ordinances
2026-11
[1:39:22] supplement burough code chapter 7
sections 15 and 20 have a motion to open
[1:39:27] » motion
>> a second
[1:39:30] » all in favor
>> anyone opposed anyone up here have
[1:39:33] anything on this
>> I think it's a great compromise
[1:39:37] Um, you know, as we've all talked about,
there's lots of push and pull on a lot
[1:39:41] of these issues. We're trying to make
the best of an imperfect situation. It's
[1:39:46] not forever, hopefully. Um, so I really
think it's we've all done a great job of
[1:39:51] finding a counselor.
>> Yeah. And one thing that I've said
[1:39:54] before is that, you know, I have some
concerns. Um, but I'm willing to try
[1:39:58] this because something needs to happen.
I just want to make sure that we are
[1:40:02] looking at what's actually happening and
evaluating it very regularly because it
[1:40:06] is going to affect a lot of people in
town.
[1:40:08] » It is.
>> Yes.
[1:40:10] » Anyone in the public have anything on
this?
[1:40:14] Allison, anyone along?
>> No.
[1:40:17] » A motion to close.
>> Second.
[1:40:21] » Uh, all in favor?
>> Anyone opposed?
[1:40:25] Uh, do I have a motion to approve?
>> Motion. Second. Alison, may I please
[1:40:29] have a roll call?
[1:40:33] » Hold on. Go back to who offered
>> Betsy then Tracy.
[1:40:39] » Council member.
>> Yes. Sell. Yes. Cotch. Yes.
[1:40:44] » Yes. Alson.
>> Yes. Um and B administrator York. I
[1:40:49] assume we're going to get notice over.
Um,
[1:40:53] » I already have a thing to
>> Yeah, we're going to we're going to
[1:40:58] we're going to email. We also send a
certified as well.
[1:41:00] » Can't claim that they didn't.
>> We're certifying the streets
[1:41:04] » like every street affected.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[1:41:06] » Yeah. But we're going to send the
correspondence for the um ordinance that
[1:41:10] was approved tonight to the school both
email. We're also going to certify mail
[1:41:13] as well.
>> The residents aren't getting individual.
[1:41:16] I'm sending it to
at least the residents that attended the
[1:41:21] last meeting. See, I think spread the
word of it, but I don't think that I
[1:41:25] think it's going to be in our social
media. I
[1:41:27] » I think that's not enough because this
is a big change for every single person
[1:41:31] on each of the college streets. I think
it needs to be they need to get a letter
[1:41:35] in their mailbox or something. This is a
big change. I mean, as you said, it's a
[1:41:38] lifestyle change. So, I think that we
need to be better about getting it into
[1:41:42] every resident.
>> Why don't we discuss that in the
[1:41:44] communications meeting? When's our next
communications meeting? We don't
[1:41:49] » I mean we could I mean if we're looking
for postage and we want to we and want
[1:41:52] to send a mailer to each house as well.
We could certainly do that. I mean if
[1:41:55] that's if that's what we do,
>> you know, we want to if we want to pay
[1:41:59] for postage and send it, we can
certainly do.
[1:42:02] » I'd be happy to help other
we can just mail, you know, we did
[1:42:07] postage on and mail it.
>> That's it's something we'll need. Right.
[1:42:11] » Uh, new business introduction of
ordinances. Uh, 2026-12 bond ordinance
[1:42:17] reappropriation for acquisition of new
fire truck. Do I have a motion to
[1:42:20] approve? Motion.
>> Second.
[1:42:22] » Alison, may I please have a roll call
that was
[1:42:31] » members?
[1:42:34] Yes.
>> Yes. Thank you. 2026-13
[1:42:39] repeal ebike regulation ordinance.
>> I think it just you maybe want to say
[1:42:43] there's a state law.
>> Yeah.
[1:42:45] » And it's been superseded.
>> Superseded by state law. It's a good
[1:42:49] word there. Mayor [laughter]
[1:42:53] » Alson, may I please have a roll call?
>> Call.
[1:42:57] Yes. Yes.
>> Yes. Uh thank you. Uh, next up, consent
[1:43:01] agenda resolutions 2026 175 through
[clears throat] 2026-190.
[1:43:08] Um, before I ask for a pin, does anyone
want to separate it?
[1:43:11] » I would like to. Um, can I separate it?
2026 180.
[1:43:15] » I'd like to separate 179.
[1:43:21] » Okay. Um, do you want discussion? Um, I
just think I need to for me I need to um
[1:43:32] » be separate.
>> You can just abstain from whatever
[1:43:35] resolution.
>> I love good.
[1:43:40] » Um, so I I don't know how that works
then.
[1:43:43] » I'll just be accept.
>> Yeah.
[1:43:47] » Okay.
>> Um, and then 179 order.
[1:43:52] » Oh, you guys love it.
refusals. Okay. Um so how about this? Do
[1:43:59] we do we need do we need three separate
votes?
[1:44:01] » No, we're going to do one
for each of those. Okay.
[1:44:05] » Um so we're talking 175 through 190.
>> Um with a recusal from Brian on 179, a
[1:44:13] recusal from Michael on 180. Um do I
have a motion?
[1:44:19] » Second. Uh Alison, may
>> I please have a Council
[1:44:24] members Cole,
>> yes. Inelli,
[1:44:27] » yes. Cut,
>> yes.
[1:44:29] » Yes. Also,
>> yes.
[1:44:31] » Uh, thank you. Department reports July
2026. Um, a motion to approve all of
[1:44:38] those reports. Municipal clerk through
municipal court. Motion with a Hardy.
[1:44:42] Thank you.
>> Second.
[1:44:44] » All in favor?
>> Anyone opposed? [laughter]
[1:44:49] » Does anyone have any committee updates?
>> That's nice. that's on there and I don't
[1:44:53] notice it, I'll I'll be more prepared.
>> So, we talked about in the in the
[1:44:57] communications meeting that we would
like to make sure that we're having
[1:45:01] committee. So, we'll move forward if
anyone does not mention anything. Don't
[1:45:04] feel that you have to, but we'd love to
hear what's going on in your committee.
[1:45:08] » Sure.
>> Thank you.
[1:45:09] » Um, good to the burrow. Please stand
identify yourself by clearly stating
[1:45:13] your name and address for the record.
Please observe time of three minutes.
[1:45:17] Anyone with a burrow or public?
[1:45:22] Welcome back though. Missed
>> you.
[1:45:25] » So on your
>> name and address please.
[1:45:29] » Answer if fairly. So on the consent
resolution
[1:45:32] 2026-175
the title is [snorts]
[1:45:37] interview for police chief. The first
whereas says interview for patrolman
[1:45:43] the therefore says police chief. So I'm
just
[1:45:49] matter. It is indeed for release.
>> Do we need you? Don't need to revote on
[1:45:56] that bill.
>> Thank you, Bill.
[1:45:59] » Anyone else? Would they go to the burrow
the public? Alson, anyone on?
[1:46:05] » No.
>> How about fireman's fair? I know it's
[1:46:07] not really us, but I mean it's kind of
us. So, um, make sure you're
[1:46:11] volunteering. Everyone in the fireman's
here coming out. Very excited before our
[1:46:15] next meeting. So, to see all that.
>> Anyone else? Uh the historic association
[1:46:20] is hosting its annual garden party. Um
this year we'll be celebrating the 120th
[1:46:28] anniversary of a bar pond and um
honoring Chris Brennan on that same
[1:46:34] spirit. Many people have seen his video
which is wonderful. He's a really great
[1:46:39] historical. Brunson Hill
and it is a tremendous uh history that
[1:46:45] really includes a lot of therapy.
>> So this year it is 120 years of
[1:46:51] » please get your GPS to the phone.
>> September 26th.
[1:46:54] » September 26th. Thank you.
>> Anyone else?
[1:46:57] » Um I would like to discuss potentially I
think I'm going to reach out to all of
[1:47:02] you now that um we have the Cambridge
thing settled. I might want to send a
[1:47:06] second email. We never a second letter.
We never received um a response back
[1:47:12] from the RBR board of education. Um and
in our new rules, they still do have to
[1:47:18] cross the street across Ridge Road. So,
the safety concern still does stand and
[1:47:24] it's something that I am concerned
about. Um and we did not receive
[1:47:28] response and I'm hoping that RBR sees
that if there are kids that are going to
[1:47:33] be crossing the road that they should be
protected. So,
[1:47:35] » did we um did we communicate that to the
county?
[1:47:39] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[1:47:41] » They received they received the letters.
>> Um the other thing, just to correct the
[1:47:45] record from the finance committee, there
was a communication that went around the
[1:47:49] town today saying that we had a tax rate
of 1.427.
[1:47:53] That's incorrect. That's last year's tax
rate. Our tax rate this year is 1.395.
[1:47:58] That encompasses um the schools, the
county, everything. Um and our portion
[1:48:04] of that for the [clears throat]
municipality is 311.
[1:48:08] That's the portion that 22% that we uh
take care of. I also want to make it
[1:48:13] clear that the finance committee is
constantly meeting. We look over every
[1:48:17] single line item consistently all the
time. And the reason that sometimes we
[1:48:21] do have to cut a service is just because
of that because we have to fit it all in
[1:48:25] the pot. Um that's what I got.
>> Sure. There is a community solar event
[1:48:33] through the green team and that is on
September 13th.
[1:48:38] » Thank you.
>> Stop solar. Sorry.
[1:48:40] » We do have an executive session tonight.
>> So [laughter]
[1:48:47] » I'm going to ask to
uh No, we're going to go we're going to
[1:48:51] go out into executive session. The time
is 8:50. Do I have a motion?
[1:48:55] [clears throat]
>> Second.
[1:48:57] » All in favor?
>> Anyone opposed? Thank you.
[1:49:04] Uh motion to close the meeting at 9:01
p.m.
[1:49:07] » Motion second.
>> All in favor?
[1:49:10] » Anyone opposed?