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Good evening everyone. We will reconvene
our board of supervisors meeting today.

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And tonight on the agenda, we have two
public hearings. That is item 16 and 17.

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On the agenda, we will uh open these
public hearings. So if you wish to

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speak, please submit a uh form. You can
find these in the back and Celeste will

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be happy to take those for you. Um the
first one, item 16, we will go ahead and

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to begin. I will invite Mr. McCoy
up to share with us the details of this

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proposal.

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All right. Good evening, Madam Chair,
members of the board. Before you tonight

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is a request for a special exception
permit for a cabin or cottage resort in

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the Amsterdam district. Before I get
started, I'll read the legal

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advertisement for the record. The answer
in district Peak Vista Properties LLC

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requests a special exception permit for
a cabin or cottage resort on a 13.9 acre

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portion of three combined parcels
totaling 110.147

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acres in the agricultural A1 use
district with possible conditions. This

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parcel is located at 365 Shauny Trail
identified on the tax map as 88-9,

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88-17,
and 88-18B.

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Flip the slide on me real quick there. I
think I remembered the last one. So

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before you on the screen is a zoning
map. The parcels in question are

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outlined in red. Um you'll see the green
uh color there is all A1 zoning. You've

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got some rural residential zoning in
gray. You'll notice the proximity to the

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Ram district very near to where we are
tonight. That's the Greenfield

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Industrial Center. And you'll see just a
hair of flood plane on parcel 88-17.

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On the back end of that parcel, there is
a small stream that runs in there with

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plane.

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» This uh is an aerial of the property
seen here off Shaunie Trail. Um it's a

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hilly property. It's an active farm use
right now. You'll see the three parcels

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and a small drive access that goes to a
barn that's standing today. Um it is an

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active farm use as I mentioned.

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Um the applicant wishes to operate a
cabin cottage resort. So what that means

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is you'll see in the bottom right of
this picture here the conceptual site

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plan uh six units with two bedrooms each
uh for short-term rental. Um so there is

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a drive access that provides uh parking
as well as access into the property

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itself. He is combining the three
parcels into two and basically removing

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the back end of those long skinny lots
and combining it into the larger parcel.

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The applicant has also included um some
conceptual designs of the property uh at

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large. He is intending to operate it uh
in agricultural use as he does today,

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but then also offer the cabins up for
rental on a short-term basis. Um, it's

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intended to provide kind of a a rural
escape for folks that don't always have

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the opportunity to enjoy the outdoors
like we do today. Um, and bring them

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onto the property to experience the farm
life as well.

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This is a zoomed in version of it. Um,
so as I mentioned, there's six units of

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two bedrooms each. You'll see the
hatched lines on there represent the um,

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septic fields. There are three fields
for six cabins. He's also included um

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the proposed pond and water feature
there as well as the access drive. This

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is off of Shauny Trail just before you
get into a curve. The uh speed limit on

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Shauny Trail is 35 and I believe as you
get into the curve it drops down to 25

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is the suggested speed there.

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The applicant submitted some photos and
wanted to just show those on the screen

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for you. Um this is the property uh as
it exists just a couple weeks ago. um

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showing the proposed access to the
property in those two middle photos and

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the curve that exists to the right as
you pass the property itself. He's also

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included some photos of the property in
active a use.

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So this table here shows the conditions
that are both required by the ordinance.

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So even if staff does not suggest any
conditions at all, if the planning

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commission had never recommended any
conditions, if approved, the applicant

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would have to do these required by
ordinance on the left. So there are four

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there. There are also four conditions
that were recommended by the planning

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commission if the um SCP is granted. So
those one suggested by staff is that

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there shall be no more than six
two-bedroom cottages on the property.

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Per our zoning code, the applicant can
do one unit per acre. So, he could

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technically go up to 13 acres there. He
is capping it or wishes to cap it at

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six. Uh the development of the property
shall be undertaken in substantial

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conformance with that conceptual site
plan that you all saw. We have a

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catchall here too and our generic kind
of uh condition that we include with all

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SCPs is that the noise generated by the
development shall not violate provisions

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of the Bottom County noise ordinance and
that all of those specifications and

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general provisions shall be met as
required by the the zoning ordinance.

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So the requested action from you all
this evening is to approve or deny the

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cabin or cottage resort on the property
of Peak Vistas LLC. If you have any

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questions for me, I'd be happy to answer
them. The applicant is also here tonight

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and would be happy to expand on anything
I may have missed.

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» Thank you. Any questions for Mr. McCoy?
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» have one. [clears throat] And that the
code specifies two adults per bedroom.

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[snorts]
Um, but I didn't find anything that

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addresses children.
>> Sure. So, I believe that piece of the

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code um is a reflection of the health
department kind of ordinances when it

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comes to septic fields and how many
folks can be in a bedroom to maintain um

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the appropriate draining of the septic
tank. We don't have anything about

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children and I wouldn't be able to tell
you if they have any different um

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bathroom tendencies than adults. uh
tongue and cheek, but um if you have

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some concerns about that, that is what
is in the ordinance and we could explore

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maybe a different condition if you'd
like. Um however, I think this probably

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captures what the concerns might be
there on the property, but we're happy

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to explore other options if you'd like.
Um, one other, uh, my sister and her

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husband whenever they retired, uh, they
bought themselves a 3/4tonon pickup and

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a fifth wheel trailer. And I see in here
that trailers would be prohibited. And I

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can picture my sister and her husband
going to something like this as they

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were traveling around.
um this cast in stone on the the use of

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trailers or is it just that you can't
use uh you know like they use the term

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dry camping?
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» Yeah, the applicant um made that
statement at the planning commission

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meeting. That is not a condition that's
included um with the recommendations

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from planning commission. Um, so whether
the applicant said it or did not say it,

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he's not held to that by our zoning
ordinance or the conditions placed on it

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right now. If you wanted to see some
greater um condition in there that would

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prohibit or otherwise speak to travel
trailers or RVs to a certain degree

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there parked in the property, um, we
would have to come up with a condition

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there. Um, that's that's kind of what
we're looking at right now. I think his

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his parking is designed to have two
spaces per unit and right now they're

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probably not shown to have um the
capacity to store an RV or another

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travel trailer of some sort there. Um
we've not gotten into that much detail

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as to the size of those parking spaces
and that's probably something we would

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look at when it comes to the actual
submitt of um building permits. Um but

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as of right now there's nothing holding
the applicant to not having those travel

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trailers or RVs on the property. Thank
you. Absolutely.

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» So it with that question, maybe we could
ask the applicant to come up and and

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share their um thoughts on this project.

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That would be probably a good question
for them. We'll ask them directly about

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that.
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Hi.
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Um,
wanted to start off with um, the Bush

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family owned this farm since the 60s and
uh, they rented to a couple farmers when

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I purchased it in 23. They decided to
sell it and it sat on the market for two

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years. Um,
and it was actually under contract, I

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think, for about a year, according to
um, the Bush family, and developers were

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attempting to develop it and put 161
homes, um, on it, and I guess they

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couldn't get access for sewer or water.
I'm not sure which, maybe both. Um, and

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so, um, I purchased the farm under my
LLC in 2023, and we, our intention has

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been to farm since the beginning. We
have over about 70 head of cattle, about

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50 head of sheep that all are in one
pasture or excuse me, one uh paddic and

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they do that of course in in nature to
protect themselves and they move

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themselves to a new pasture and and um
and obviously spreading it uh the manure

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and the fertilizer all throughout the
farm. And we control the uh farming with

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portable electric fencing to keep them
out of the waterways, keep it

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sustainable. Um and then of course you
saw the chickens on one of those

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pictures. People like uh you have
chickens out on a mo chicken mobile. Uh

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that's our pasture sanitization program
actually. Uh that is cleaning up the

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pastures. Um they do produce a really
good egg also. But um they uh do

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actually clean up they follow the cows
about 3 to 4 days intentionally to clean

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up the pastures. And um we do want to be
selling um

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u honey and other farm products uh from
the farm under the a uh program. And

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we've applied for the cabin cottage
resort which it does have a maximum

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density of one dwelling per acre. Uh we
intentionally only wanted six. Um even

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though I think the experts, architects
and consultants were saying you could

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get 13 or we have 110 acres altogether.
We could technically do the whole farm,

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right? Do 110, but we don't want to. Our
intention is to actually build on the

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farm. Um on that map, um it does have I
might be going back there. Out here is a

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proposed uh future residence that we're
going to be living there. So, we really

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don't want 100 uh homes right,
short-term rentals next to our own

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residence as well. Um, so neighbors have
raised concerns um about the current the

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entrance uh which we hired Pearson
Engineering and Surveying who I think

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has been working in the county for 30
years um recommended that location given

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that it has 385 ft of sight distance
both ways. Um, if V dot is obviously

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ultimately the one that would approve
that. If V dot says that is not a go,

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then obviously we would look at plan B
and C, which we clearly have um 500 ft

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of sight distance all along Shauny Trail
just be a longer driveway. Um so um and

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a lot of people have con expressed
concerns about traffic. Um the average

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occupancy for short-term rentals across
the nation is about 50%. Um so meaning

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that 50% of the time they're vacant.
There's no one in them. There's no cars

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coming and going. They're not going to
the store. They're not there. So that

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means we're really almost asking for
three two-bedroom homes. Um technically

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uh right there along Shauny Trail and
Country Club, it doesn't show it uh

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right there, but there's 3200 ft of
water or excuse me of road frontage. Um

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that we could subdivide 21 times and put
septics and wells and build 21 homes. We

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have no intention to do that. Um so
we're trying to keep it contained into a

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small area. Um the pictures don't
indicate that there's actually cedar

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trees that are protecting most of the
cottages that would be built for

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privacy, not just for people driving by,
but the guests as well. And so that was

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really the main reason. Um there's not a
lot of hover on the farm. It's very open

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uh along Country Club and Shauny Trail.
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um we have um named the cottages the
farmhouse cottages and actually

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purchased a domain farmhouse
cottages.com

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and going with a theme of the farmhouse
look and cottage style. Classy, it's

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elegant and it's timeless. Doesn't go
away. Um the farmhouse right down the

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street's up for sale. I think it's built
in the 1810s and it's still beautiful.

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So, um, obviously these cottages
generate short-term rental sales tax

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revenue for the county and the dollars
that guests spend have an even larger

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impact on the small businesses that they
do patronize. Um, we currently have

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seven non-family employees that help on
the farm and also help maintain the

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properties. Um, four of them actually
live within 2,000 ft of the cottage

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entrance. So, we're able to attend to
maintenance issues or complaints about

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noise or whatever could be going on. Um
there was a concern about travel

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trailers or RVs uh that was brought up
at the last meeting and this one as

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well. And we will not allow them. Um
just because well a we don't want the uh

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there's there's a lot of reasons why.
Let's just say we're not going to allow

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them. There's not a lot of room there.
It's a ridge. Um and so um and honestly

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we have another Airbnb down the road. Uh
we've had that question come up and um

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but it's it's been very rare honestly.
Most of the people are going to stay in

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a nice home that's heated and cooled and
not you know towing their their fifth

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wheel there. So, um, but we, um, do want
to, of course, uh, thank the neighbors

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who've been encouraging us and ob
obviously very nice about telling us to

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continue to farm. That's our intention.
Um, it's also going to be a place where

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we can uh some of the trainings that we
will do on the other parcels to teach

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people how to do this kind of farming
because it is different.

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um I had have been taught this and spent
thousands of dollars going to other

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farms across the country to learn how to
do it and so uh we want that for them to

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be able to stay on the farm and
experience the farm um right here where

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they can walk over and experience it.
So, we hope to uh create a wonderful

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experience for our guests who stay at
the farmhouse cottages regardless of

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visiting family or anniversary or a
wedding, which we've had that all happen

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at our other short-term rental, which is
at 32 country club. Um be surprised how

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many people actually come just to stay
in beautiful Bonat. So, um

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do you guys have any other questions?
>> You any questions for the applicant?

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So, I I would just want to uh expand a
little bit. You said that your intention

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is to keep this as a working farm.
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» Um and then hopefully some of your
guests might be interested in learning

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some of the techniques that you're
using.

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» Um do you have any other plans? You have
cows, you have sheep, you have chickens.

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Any other um farming endeavors that
you're considering?

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» Uh bees. So, we actually have an intern
that's uh developed that on other farms

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and so he's already done it a few times
and so that obviously you can't do it

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this time of year. So, um that'll be
springtime when that comes and then um

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so if you want to come get stung, we'll
charge you $25 per beasting. Um that's

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quite an experience. Um no, so then we
also do want to have some green houses.

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um maybe not necessarily on this parcel,
the 13 acres, but on the larger parcel

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uh green houses where we'll, you know,
have some fruits and vegetables and that

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sort of thing as well, but that's all
maybe we'll have, you know, chickens,

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but all the meat is processed through a
USDA uh facility, right? It's not

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processed on the farm. So, it's driven
all the way to the USA facility,

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packaged and labeled with a little
stamp, and then brought back and then

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either would be sold locally at the farm
store or shipped. So,

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» fantastic. Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

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» Other questions?
>> Okay. Thank you. We will open the public

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hearing at this time. I have some
requests for um speaking. So, the public

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hearing is now open. I do want to note
for the minutes uh and for the official

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record, Supervisor Clinton joined us
earlier today via um remote access. He

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is uh not feeling well and uh was with
us for the earlier part of our meeting

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today. He is not online tonight. So, he
will not be part of these public

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hearings and these board actions. So, I
just wanted to clarify that before we

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got started. So, the first public
comment that I have listed, Greg Riley,

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» speaking this one, right?
>> Speak into any microphone. If you're

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speaking, please say your name, your
address, and you have three minutes for

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comment. Okay. My name is Greg Riley. I
live at 588 Country Club Road,

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Troutville.
You know, all of this sounds wonderful.

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Bees, honey, cattle, sheep, quaint
little country store, maybe a nice

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little uh rental cottages. But as an
adjoining property owner, I've been

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receiving these registered letters um
for months about this proposed

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development. I decided to come to the
last planning commission meeting and

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find out more about it. The reason I
hadn't gotten involved earlier that like

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most of my neighbors, I thought it
sounded like a pretty cool idea. A few

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rental cabins and quaint little country
getaway and things like that sound like

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a nice idea. But after digging in, I
found out that some people had been told

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different things uh in addition to the
rental cottage, maybe a a meat packing

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plant or something, another good thing
for the community and for the farmers in

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Batide. But then at the end of the
meeting, the elephant in the room came

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out that if this is not profitable in a
few years, we have the ability to put

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apartments here if it was not
profitable. Well, anybody can tell you

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that a few cottages rental a rural
getaway in right over the hill from a

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noisy data center that is going to be an
asphalt and concrete jungle for several

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years is probably not going to be as
profitable as apartments. So it's very

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easy to set a precedent and come back in
and say, "Okay, I'm not making enough

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money." And we have seen the same
pattern with other developers before. So

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it makes perfect sense for them to come
back in and say, "Hey, I'm not making

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enough money here." And so what's going
to happen? Again, the elephant in the

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room is apartments, apartments,
apartments. And I remember talking to

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Mr. Clinton a few years ago and he said,
"When we approved Ashley Plantation, we

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never dreamed that it would turn into
this." And I would just like to say that

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the planning commission often gets out
in front of the board

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in how they approve different things. I
would like to thank the board because in

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the years that I've observed the board,
you've always taken a cautious and

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fastidious approach in these things. Of
course, apartments are here to make

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money. So, let's just be honest about
what's coming in a few years or six

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months or whatever.
I would like to ask that you table this

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project until more questions can be
asked and more information can be

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obtained. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Next comment is Carl Porter.

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I'm Carl Porter, 592 Country Club Road.
What concerns me is what will be the

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special exemption for the next phase and
then the next phase. I believe special

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exemptions should be a rare occurrence
considering the time, energy, and money,

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taxpayer money that was used to create
the comprehensive plan and future land

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use. [snorts]

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Thank you, Jerry Riley.

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Hello, [clears throat] my name is Jerry
Riley. Live in the Fin Castle District

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on Country Club Road.
Mainly, I came here to get information.

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There's been a lot of rumor going around
about this project and very little

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facts.
I came here hoping to get more facts and

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honestly I haven't. There seems to be a
lot of questions and

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for one I see that it's approved one
septic for each two cottages instead of

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one septic for each dwelling. And
there's also two adults per bedroom.

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That's four adults per septic system. So
I think that that needs to be relooked

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at. Also,
um, at the very end of his talk, out of

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just a little slight
comment, there was a mention of a farm

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store. I hadn't heard anything about a
farm store before. Have y'all heard

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about a farm store? If you have, how
come we haven't heard about it? What

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does that entail? So, I think if there
is a farm store planned, it should be

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brought up and talked about separately.
If there's no farm store, then let's

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settle that right now and say no,
there's not going to be a farm store

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there.
Then the last thing, and has been

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mentioned before, the elephant in the
room, apartments. Where did that come

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from? I heard no mention of apartments
before, so why is it being brought up

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now?
I think there's a lot of questions about

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this project that need to be answered
and a lot more work needs to be done and

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a lot more public information given out
to the residents before you approve

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something of this nature. Thank you for
your time.

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» Thank you,

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» Sharon Porter.

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Sharon Porter, 592 Country Club Road,
Fincastle District. My request is

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simple. It's punctuation.
So, there's a comma after cottage. So,

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we were It looks like it's a cottage
resort. Is it a cabin or a cottage or a

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resort? Or is it a cottage resort?
There's a big difference between a

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resort and a cottage. So, I guess I need
to remove that comma and say it's a

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cottage resort. A resort is of course
it's a it's a let's see a resort is a um

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all it's a comprehensive experience
which includes shopping, restaurants,

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and entertainment. So, I don't think
we're talking about a resort. So, if

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it's a cottage resort, then just say
it's a cottage resort. So, the planning

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commission has recommended six
two-bedroom cottages. If this is

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approved, just remove that comma and so
we don't make sure that it's not a

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resort. Thank you.
>> Thank you,

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Charles Glatty.

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» Glad you I'm sorry.
You may have heard that before.

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» [laughter]
>> Thanks, Gladoo.

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My name is Ah, sorry. My name is Charles
Gladia. I live at uh

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803 Shauny Trails, just down from this.
I drive by it every day. I was seriously

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worried
years ago when they started there. The

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previous
attempt at buying this was

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conditional on another special exemption
from the board. Didn't have to come to

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that because they declined because some
of the property owners between them and

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where they were going to have to access
water and sewer were going to fight them

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and they didn't feel like fighting it.
I'm all for Mr. Bowen's attempt at

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trying to keep it a farm. He's had a
farm before. I think he wants to make

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this a farm. He is a businessman. He's
trying to make a profit. I understand

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that. I agree with one of these
gentlemen here that said we taxpayers

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have spent money for this comprehensive
plan and so forth and so on. And I can

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go into a litany of things including the
Bailey property that oh well it's

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adjacent to the Daleville Town Center,
so we'll just let it be a pud, too.

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Guys, if you're going to spend the money
on the comprehensive plans,

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please use the special exemptions
judiciously.

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The um
Wawwa that's going in now, special

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exemption. I had a lady on the board
say, "Well, it's not our job to tell us

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to tell people who can build there and
so forth." Well, when the propertyy's

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there and it has conditions or the land
use has conditions and somebody comes to

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you and you give them special
exemptions, you are picking who's going

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to use it because maybe somebody else
would have used it if they could have

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had special things. But Wawwa wasn't
going to do it if they didn't get access

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to Glee Road and Tighter Dimensions so
forth to put their charging units. I've

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been to a lot of y'all's meetings and I
agree with this gentleman on the special

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exemptions being overused.
And yes, once you start down the road,

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is this going to be an additional
special exemption? I've only known Mr.

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Bowen for about a year. I think I like
him.

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I don't know him well enough. We don't
have a history to where I trust him

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with, you know, this, that, or the
other. But I've helped him out. He's

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helped me out. I like him. I take him at
his word what he's saying. And I think

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he wants the the farm store, as I
understand it from a previous meeting,

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that can be done on any farm. It doesn't
require special permission or anything.

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So my whole thing is
even if you, and I hope you do, allow

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this to go forward. I'd kind of like to
see where it goes. But please guard

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those special exemptions and realize
what you're starting a road down if you

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incrementally just allow all the A1 to
start becoming everything else.

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» Thank you. Would anyone else like to
comment on this proposal?

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Seeing and hearing no one, I will close
the public hearing and um open this up

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to the board for discussion and
questions.

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» Madam Chair, I was wondering if you
could come back down answer some of the

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things about
>> Yeah, that's what I was going to if Mr.

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McCoy could come first. I think um a
couple things might be clarified. Uh Mr.

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McCoy, could you first address the comma
issue? Uh is this as as written cabin

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comm or cottage comma resort comma on
the property? Is that correct?

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» Yes ma'am.
>> And does that does that use

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allow the definition that we just heard
of resort?

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» Yes to both. So cabin or cottage, resort
is the exact name in the ordinance. So

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we don't try to hide or offiscate what
the terms are. I use the exact term from

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the ordinance when somebody applies for
it. and that is what's in the the uh the

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advertisement as well. Um the use that
you were considering tonight falls very

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nicely into that use definition.
>> Okay.

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» So, it is a cabin or cottage common
resort. I'll agree it's not a great

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name. We would have to do a text
amendment to change that name.

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» We're not doing that tonight, but yes,
it is a cabin or cottage resort that Mr.

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Bowen has requested and it does fall
underneath that definition.

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» Okay. But [clears throat] the use would
be um

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defined as what was presented tonight.
Correct.

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» Um the other question I I thought of to
ask you

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if five years he decides he wants
apartments that use that word has come

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up several times. What would be required
for apartments to be built on this

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property?
>> Apartments cannot be built on this

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property just full stop without a
reasonzoning to R3 or R4 and access to

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public water or sewer. There is no
public water or sewer here. It is not

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being reszoned to R4. Therefore, no
apartments can be built on this property

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now or in the future without the board
approval to do so.

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» And that's a reasonzoning, not a special
exception.

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» Correct.
>> So, just to clarify that process. Other

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questions for Mr. McCoy?
>> The septics have been approved by health

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department.
>> The health department has reviewed this

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application, has indicated that these
are suitable for the use as Mr. Bowen

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has described and do not have issues
with the use as presented to the board.

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» Very good.
>> They have done as soil um they've done

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soil analysis to make sure that it would
meet the requirements of the Virginia

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Department of Health and that has been
already um tested and and looked at by

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the Department of Health.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» One other note too, the the and this did
come up in the planning commission and

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one that I failed to bring up earlier
tonight. The farm store, if there were

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to be a farm store, is separate from
this special exception permit. The

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special exception permit has nothing to
do with the farm store in any way,

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shape, or form. Mr. Bowen, um, as the
owner and operator of an a use on a

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agriculturally zoned piece of property,
could potentially do a farm stand there

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that may be permitted by state code, and
it pre preempts us from requiring him to

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do a special exception permit to do so.
Um, Mr. Bowen, whether he does one or

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not, this is not related to the Cavern
Cottages. And regardless of whether he

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came before you tonight in any way,
shape, or form, he could potentially

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have done that without our approval in
any way, shape, or form. So, I just

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wanted that to be clear as well that
this use in front of you has nothing to

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do with the rest of his property.
>> Thank you.

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» Very good. Other questions,

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comments?

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Hearing none, I will entertain a motion.
There are, if we could go back to the

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options that
>> presentation. Yeah,

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» the options for motions are before you.

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» Most before you. Getting there.

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So, I would entertain a motion of
approval or to deny.

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I'll move to approve the special
exception permit for the cabin or

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cottage resort on the property of Peak
Vista as recommended by the planning

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commission.
>> So we have a motion to approve. Do I

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have a second?
>> I have a second. Any [clears throat]

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discussion?

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» I think that this is a good thing. It's
low volume traffic. uh

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in the A1 with remaining properties out
there. Uh I think it's a little over 100

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acres
or that that could result in 40 plus

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houses big lot with well and septic.
I I'd much rather see this in the farm

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continue.
>> I I would agree with Supervisor Nicely.

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I think that um there's obviously
interest in this county of preserving

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our farmland and keeping it in
agriculture. That doesn't always pay the

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bills. And this is a way to allow this
owner to supplement the income but keep

410
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:21,440
the majority of the property in
agriculture, true agricultural use. I

411
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:27,760
think that it is uh a good uh endeavor
to for him to support his farming habit

412
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:31,599
this way. So I would support it for
those reasons as well. Supervisor

413
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,359
nicely.
Other comments?

414
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,119
Nope.
>> All in favor?

415
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:45,480
» I I
>> All opposed.

416
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,480
Any abstensions?

417
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,280
That motion carries.

418
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:02,640
» Yeah. Do you want to do a voice vote?
Okay. Would you do a voice vote, please?

419
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Yes. A roll call.
>> Yes.

420
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:11,200
» Yes.
>> Yes. Yes.

421
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:18,079
» That motion carries. Again, I think we
can celebrate that this land is going to

422
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:25,760
remain in agricultural use. So, we will
move on now to agenda item 17,

423
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:30,760
the valley district.
Mr. Lindsay is going to present this

424
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,760
one.

425
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,400
We're getting there.

426
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,800
There we go.

427
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Maybe.

428
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:26,160
All right. There we go. Good evening,
Madam Chair, members of the board. Um,

429
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:29,760
I'm here to prevent to present uh the
reasonzoning request from Journey Church

430
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:34,160
and Journey Church, Inc. They are
requesting a reszoning from the

431
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:38,240
agricultural A1 and residential R1 use
to residential R3 use district with

432
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:43,200
possible proper conditions and a
commission permit in accordance with

433
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:46,960
15.2-2232
of the Virginia state code. These

434
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:53,440
properties are located at, between, and
adjacent to 3574 Reed Mountain Road and

435
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:58,400
3468 Reed Mountain Road and at the Reed
Mountain Road State Route 654 and Bonny

436
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:04,400
View Lane intersection identified on the
tax map as 107-91

437
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:08,720
199, 107-201,
107-202,

438
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:12,680
107 C15,
and 107 C11.

439
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:21,200
As you can see here, um the largest of
the five parcels is zoned uh A1

440
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:26,640
currently with the remaining four being
zoned R1. Um as I stated, Journey Church

441
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:34,240
and Journey Church, Inc. are requesting
a reszoning of this 12.37 acres from A1

442
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:37,680
and R1 to R3. Um the applicant has
indicated that the proposed development

443
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:42,000
includes the construction of 72
residences as well as new streets and

444
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:46,160
sidewalks to serve the neighborhood. Um
the proposed community per the applicant

445
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,480
is proposed to address a shortage of
housing for those looking to downsize

446
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,480
such as retirees and empty nesters. Um
as you can see here there are a few

447
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:58,320
existing uh structures on the property.
Uh the former Journey Church location

448
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,320
there on the north side of the property
as well as an existing single family

449
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:08,720
home to the south.
Um, in addition to the 72 residences,

450
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:12,160
which you will see here, um, the site
will include a 10-ft vegetative buffer

451
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:16,640
along Reed Mountain Road and along the
north and south sides of the property,

452
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:21,200
as you can see here, bringing the, uh,
property. Uh, this buffer will include a

453
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:26,560
mix of evergreen and deciduous trees,
um, as well as a fence between the

454
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:30,640
property on between that and lot 60. Um
the site has been updated since the

455
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,960
initial hearing to also include the
potential uh to turn around for school

456
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:38,720
buses that you can see in the culde-sac
on the west side of the property and the

457
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:44,640
turnaround at the south side of the
property. Um as well as uh some

458
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:49,440
additional storm water management on the
north end of the property.

459
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,640
Um, as it stands, the Bodak County
zoning ordinance does not prevent the

460
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:59,280
construction of single family attached
homes by right in A1 or R1. Um, the

461
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:04,320
density proposed in this application uh
is 5.8 units per acre, which should not

462
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:08,880
be allowed in either zoning district.
Um, however, reszoning this to R3 would

463
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:13,920
allow for this type of development.
Um, in the comprehensive plan, this area

464
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:20,320
is um
looked at as um,

465
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:25,280
sorry, I lost my place,
medium density. Correct. Um, this is in

466
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:31,359
line with the development along this
stretch of Reed Mountain Road. Um, so in

467
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:37,440
terms of traffic, uh, Reed Mountain Road
has a average daily traffic volume of

468
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:42,160
9,800 cars. Um Bonnie View Lane does not
report any um as this is a private

469
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:47,599
street. Uh since 2016, there have been
seven crashes in the vicinity. U most of

470
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:52,240
these being minor uh and deer strikes.
Um this is lower, it's important to

471
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,400
note, than uh other portions of Reed
Mountain Road. Um, it's also important

472
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:00,800
to note that nearby Cloverdale Road and
Reed Mountain Road intersections have

473
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:04,240
been identified as a high crash location
with uh state studies looking into

474
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:09,119
recommendations to improve that
intersection. Um, in terms of utilities,

475
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,040
uh, the site is served by public water
and sewer, public water being served by

476
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:18,400
Aqua Virginia and sewer being provided
by West Virginia Water Authority. Um,

477
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,920
since the first hearing, we have
received some public comment, uh,

478
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:26,880
including concerns regarding access
along Boniview Lane. Um, concerns

479
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:32,800
regarding the buffer between the
proposed development and existing

480
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:39,440
houses, as well as water supply, um,
being served by a well. Um, however, as

481
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:43,440
I stated before, um, the applicant does
not intend to use Bonaview Lane as an

482
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:47,200
access point. Um, and there have been
additional buffers between existing

483
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:51,400
homes in the proposed development and
water will be served by Aqua.

484
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,760
As you can see on the board here, these
are the proper conditions uh that have

485
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,960
been offered by the applicant. Um, the
first one being the propo property shall

486
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,960
be developed in substantial conformance
with the concept plan which is showed on

487
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:10,400
the previous page. Um, all residential
dwelling units shall be uh restricted in

488
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,640
height to no more than two stories
excluding walkout basements. Uh, the

489
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,839
development shall include a 10-ft buffer
with a mixture of evergreen and

490
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,800
deciduous trees also shown in that
concept plan. And then the last one

491
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:26,240
here, um, we have received this, so that
is not in your packet. Um, a privacy

492
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,480
fence shall be erected along the
southern terminus of the access road

493
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:35,920
near lot 60 as shown on the concept plan
to show Bonniew Lane from headlights of

494
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:40,079
vehicles using the access road. Um, the
applicant is here, so if you have any

495
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,880
questions, I'd be happy to answer those
as well as the applicant.

496
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:46,240
» Thank you.
>> Absolutely.

497
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:51,160
» I would invite the applicant down to
share your thoughts on this project.

498
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,880
» Thanks.
>> Absolutely.

499
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:09,599
Uh, Madame Chairman, members of the
board, I'm Dale Wilkinson. Uh, with me

500
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:16,880
is Seth Wilkinson, another member of our
team, Bobby Wampler, who represents ECI,

501
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:21,839
our consultant on this. Uh, I appreciate
the opportunity to talk to you tonight.

502
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:27,520
I am a longtime Bat resident. I think
I've lived here 35 or 40 years. I live

503
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:35,599
at 185 Park Drive in the Blue Ridge
area. Uh we uh want to make this clear.

504
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,599
This has been a collaborative effort on
this.

505
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,960
It's not just been our project. We have
walked this door to door, talked to

506
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:48,319
neighbors who have made changes, talked
to planning commission members, members

507
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:52,160
of this board that have inquired about
certain aspects of this. And we've

508
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:56,640
revised our plan to try to make this
collaborative and make this something

509
00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:02,319
that in fact does fit in with the
comprehensive plan and the future land

510
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:07,680
use which it does. That is a
deliberative process that does use

511
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:13,359
taxpayer funds. It does take a lot of
time. It has a significant amount of

512
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:20,720
public input, citizen input in planning
that. Uh I give credence to the planning

513
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:25,760
department for their foresight and we
fully comply with the future land use

514
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:31,560
plan. We uh it may be good Seth if we
can go through the proper conditions. We

515
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,560
had a

516
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:40,319
fairly simple
we are in will be uh developing this in

517
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:46,079
substantial conformance with this
concept plan. uh

518
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:51,359
will restrict the height on these. We
anticipate doing one-story uh villas

519
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:57,040
rather than
uh certainly apartments. There it's

520
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:01,680
worth noting uh I I'd like to bring up
the fact that uh there are places for

521
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:09,520
apartments in
various localities. This is not one. Uh

522
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:16,480
this is not maximizing the density on
that site. We have tried to be

523
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:22,480
responsive to neighbors by undulating
these homes, these single family homes.

524
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:27,760
Th this project is meeting what is
commonly referred to as the missing

525
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:35,280
middle. And I I just like to stress to
the board the need for

526
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:41,839
uh consideration of these kinds of
projects. We're doing a lot to bring in

527
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:49,760
jobs and to keep folks that have lived
generations in Bodat County uh here and

528
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:53,680
also to encourage workforce housing uh
where folks can can live in the

529
00:45:51,599 --> 00:46:00,800
community and contribute in the
community by ownership and this project

530
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:05,760
will allow that and we we need to be
doing more of it. uh these will not be

531
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:12,240
at uh
an extreme end of the price point. We're

532
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:16,400
trying to make this where folks who are
contributing to this community can

533
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:22,319
afford a home in Bodatat and u I think
we've succeeded in our plan in doing it.

534
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:26,800
The the other um
point I want to bring up here on the

535
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:32,240
profer conditions is point three. We had
a neighbor and planning commission

536
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:37,040
member who was very interested in seeing
that the surrounding the perimeter of

537
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:42,079
the property be fully landscaped in
deciduous trees. We've agreed to do

538
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,560
that. And then we had a neighbor,
frankly, at the planning commission

539
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:49,359
meeting that came up to me and said,
"Dale, can we can we get a fence? We

540
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:54,800
don't want lights uh that might
interfere with our our lifestyle." And

541
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:59,839
of course, we readily agreed to Mr.
Cooper and his and ask him to design it.

542
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:07,680
Frankly, the uh the fence that will be
put up, we'll we'll also be um

543
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:13,520
we'll also be constructing an entrance
uh that

544
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:16,640
is uh not just signage, but it allows
you to see that you're coming into a

545
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:23,280
neighborhood. you're coming into a
community with speed limits and the

546
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:28,319
desire for for folks to slow down a bit
and be respectful of the uh the

547
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:33,760
residents of the of the of the
neighborhood. So, u last item on the

548
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:38,640
privacy. I'm rambling on a little bit.
Um I'd be happy to answer any questions

549
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:40,880
you have. Uh
leave it at that.

550
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,040
» Thank you. Any questions for the
applicant?

551
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:49,920
» I have four.
>> Yes, sir. Um [clears throat] the first

552
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:55,760
one will these be all single story?
>> Uh we have we have the right we'll show

553
00:47:52,560 --> 00:48:02,400
you a couple slides here Mr. uh
Michaels. Um,

554
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:09,119
we plan for them all to be one-story
villas as shown in this plan, but we

555
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:17,359
wanted to
provide ourselves the opportunity to

556
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:21,839
undulate these homes and should the
market be two story that we have that

557
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:26,960
option. Our plan at this point is to
keep the price point down and make them

558
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:32,640
make them one story. But I understand
your position of

559
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:37,760
needing to be very clear about this and
I I'd profer to you that it will be one

560
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,760
of these two things. It could be a
twotory. Not likely, but it's possible.

561
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:47,839
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yes sir. Uh the second one

562
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:54,720
uh do you have any feel for approximate
cost to the whoever purchased this for a

563
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:57,520
single story or a twostory just a
ballpark?

564
00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:03,359
» Well, it's it's missing middle and I'm I
I my age is coming to me. I I can't for

565
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,079
the life of me understand how folks pay
$2,000 a month for an apartment, but

566
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:13,920
there's very little to buy in Bodatak
County for $2,000 a month on a mortgage

567
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:17,680
payment. And you know, uh, we would hope
that these would fall down in what I

568
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:21,599
consider to be a lot of money, but
probably in the $350,000

569
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:26,880
range.
>> Okay. The reason for the question is

570
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:31,200
there had been some talk whether this
would be what they're referring to as

571
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:35,119
affordable housing or or not.
>> I have no idea really what that means. I

572
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:42,720
I want it to be affordable for folks.
There's absolutely no subsidy or any uh

573
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:52,160
monies coming for the financing from any
state or federal housing sources. Uh

574
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:58,720
we expect them all to be homeowners that
are looking for a shot to live near

575
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:01,280
their work or to retire and stay in
bottom.

576
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:06,880
» Okay. Okay. Thank you.
>> Yes sir. Then the third one is uh who

577
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:10,240
will be responsible for maintaining the
open areas?

578
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:14,079
» There'll be [snorts] a um and there are
a number of extra open space areas there

579
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:18,319
I might add but uh there'll be a
homeowners association. There will be

580
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:24,079
covenants and restrictions that are put
in place uh that will cover the maint

581
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:29,359
ongoing maintenance of this of the uh
all the public areas.

582
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:35,200
» Okay. And u the last one will there be
any rental units? Not that I expect. No

583
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:39,079
sir.
Thank you. Yes sir.

584
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:45,119
» Other questions for the applicant
>> covered.

585
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:50,400
» Questions
>> just on the square footage

586
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:56,920
range square footage
>> uh 1,500 square feet to um 2,000.

587
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:06,000
Thank you.
There are no other questions at this

588
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:10,720
time. I will open the public hearing. Is
there anyone from the community that

589
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,720
would like to comment on this proposed
project

590
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:29,119
hearing? And seeing none, last call. I
will close the public hearing.

591
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:33,520
and entertain discussion from the board.
>> Yeah, Madam Chair, long time ago, I had

592
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:38,559
talked to we spoke some about the the
process of, you know, maybe building

593
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:43,359
town homes and in this little area as we
had taken a look at our plan long time

594
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:47,839
ago. We had looked at infill in this
area and this fills that little spot.

595
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:51,680
Uh, I think this is a good idea. Um,
what I do appreciate is that, you know,

596
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,000
going out there and talking to the
neighbors, knocking on the door and

597
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:58,960
saying, "Hey, you know, what do you
think? what can we do to make this

598
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:01,839
better? That is, I think, somebody
that's out there trying to make

599
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:08,760
something better when he puts a plan
together. So, I appreciate him going uh

600
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,760
for his neighbors.

601
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,559
» Thank you. Other discussion points?

602
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:22,079
No other discussion or questions. I will
entertain a motion.

603
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:29,240
» Move to approve.
>> We have a motion to approve.

604
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,240
We have a second. Any discussion?

605
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:34,559
» Yep.
>> Yes.

606
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:38,640
» We'll have to do the commission.
>> Yes. First one's commission commission.

607
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:43,760
Let's entertain a motion for the
commission permit first.

608
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:49,440
» So move back. So, I have a motion and a
second to uphold the approval of the

609
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:55,839
commission permit on the basis that the
proposed streets are substantially in

610
00:52:52,000 --> 00:53:00,559
accordance with the comprehensive plan.
Any discussion?

611
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:04,000
All in favor?
>> I.

612
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:09,599
» Any opposed?
Any abstensions?

613
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:16,559
That motion carries. Now we will
entertain the motion for reszoning.

614
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:22,400
» Move to approve. Second.
>> So we have a motion and a second to

615
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:26,480
approve the R1 um to approve the R3
resoning request for the property of

616
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:30,559
Journey Church and Journey Church
Incorporated as recommended by the

617
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:35,359
planning commission with the profits.
That's that's accept the profers. The

618
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:39,280
profers with the profers.
>> Any discussion?

619
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:43,119
All in favor?
>> I.

620
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:49,240
» Any opposed?
Any abstensions?

621
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,240
That motion carries.

622
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:56,800
With no further business, I would
entertain a motion for adjournment.

623
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:00,440
» So moved.
>> We are adjourned.