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Welcome everyone. Uh, I call the July

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8th, 2026 Landmark Preservation Board

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regular meeting to order.

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Before we move on to the agenda items,

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I'd like to acknowledge our hybrid

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meeting format. The city of PAL is

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providing the option to attend this

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meeting either in person or remotely

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with via Zoom. For those participating

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in Zoom, the chat and the questions

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functions are not available for use to

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ensure compliance with the open public

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meetings act. We have a public comment

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agenda item

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at the beginning of the meeting. This

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time is for comments on issues not on

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tonight's agenda. Please limit these

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comments to three minutes. Please note

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that the city of both does not tolerate

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verbal harassment. Please remember this

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during your comments. Public comment

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will be allowed both in person and via

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Zoom. Those wishing to comment via Zoom

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were asked to submit an online form by 3

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p.m. today. People wishing to submit

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written comments were also asked to

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submit those comments by 3 p.m. Email

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was encouraged as well and will be

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acknowledged. Those in attendance may

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also make comments and have been asked

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to indicate their desire to comment on

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the sign-in sheet. The imagine both

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notice city website and tonight's agenda

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all provide information to the public

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for providing comments. A call-in number

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members of the public who wish to call

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meeting. for our phone call phone in

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callers. During staff presentations,

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staff will make every effort to specify

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which materials they are referring to so

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everyone can follow along. At this

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point, I will take a moment to take the

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roll call of the board members by

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position number. Please unmute your

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microphone and say here when I call your

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name.

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Member Thomas here.

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Member Nelson,

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member Arajalof,

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uh, member Moser

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» Member Si

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» In addition, the following city staff

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are in attendance. Ray Sosa, senior

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planner, city of both. Christian Gats,

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community development deputy director.

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In addition, the following city

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consultants are attending virtually.

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Adam also work [snorts]

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cultural resource associates. Penelopey

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Kotrell Crawford will cultural resource

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associates.

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Before we begin, I'd like to reiterate

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some meeting guidelines for all media

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attendees. Please

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speak clearly and pause frequently. Mute

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your microphone when not speaking.

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Please start your state your name before

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speaking. For those making

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presentations, please pause periodically

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to ask if there are any questions. For

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speak or ask question. I will also be

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doing this when it is time to vote. If

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as I see you. This will help avoid the

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problem of two people speaking at the

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same time. Identify yourself before you

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Please mute your microphone when not

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speaking. If there are any objections,

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please raise your hand. First item on

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the agenda. Non-aggenda public comments.

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here, they may speak now about items

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that are not on the agenda for tonight.

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Seeing no one in the audience there,

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anyone online?

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No one online. Moving on to approval of

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the minutes.

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The minutes for the June 22nd, 2026

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special meeting or included in your

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packets for review. Would a board member

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like to make a motion?

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» A point of clarification for the for the

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chair. Uh without a quorum we'll we

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would like to you need to postpone

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» Voting on accepting minutes.

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» Yes. Until the next meeting.

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» Thank you.

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» Old business. There is no old business.

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Uh the first item of new business this

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evening is a city of both staff briefing

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on the downtown sub area plan update. I

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would like to introduce Cameron Kovven,

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senior planner, city of both community

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development who will give a briefing on

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the downtown sub area plan update.

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Cameron,

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thank you very much. Um I will get the

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presentation pulled up here.

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All right. Um, so as mentioned, my name

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is Cameron Culvin. I'm a senior long

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range planner in the community

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development department. Um, I know it's

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been a little while since you all have

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received an update on this particular

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project. Um, which has some significant

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overlaps with the work of this board.

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information included in your packet. So,

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I will try to summarize most of the key

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takeaways from the existing conditions

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inventory that we did as well as provide

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a couple of updates on our community

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engagement work and what we've been

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hearing from the community.

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um and then talk with you all about the

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specific elements of the plan that have

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a lot of overlap with your work and then

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uh go through next steps.

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Um so just as a quick general uh project

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status update, we are planning uh

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preparing to release the initial draft

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of the plan which will include the

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existing conditions inventory that was

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included in your packet as well as an

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initial draft uh of recommendations

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uh and strategies and actions for each

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of the topic the seven topic areas. uh

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so in terms of community engagement for

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this project, um one of our initial

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steps was recruiting community members

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to serve on the downtown ambassador

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group. And so essentially this is the

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project steering committee which is made

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up of 24 community members. We did a

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broad um casting for applications for

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this group um and ensured that we had a

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broad representation of perspectives

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based on um people's backgrounds and and

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project. Thus far we've had three

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meetings with them and we'll be holding

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the fourth in August. Um and their main

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role has been to provide a bit more

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detailed ongoing input on plan elements

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as well as to help um city staff engage

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the broader community and inform our

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engagement approach.

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couple of in-person um public walking

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tours of downtown where we um went to

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different areas of downtown that have

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either had recent improvements or have

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planned improvements uh on the near

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horizon. Um the one we hosted in

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February had about 15 participants and

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the one in March had about 35

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participants in total. Um and then the

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past two weeks we also hosted walking

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tours with um members of city council as

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well to run through the same route um

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and share kind of what we've been

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have also been attending various

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community events um throughout the year

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uh to also raise awareness about the

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plan and have had engagement materials

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at those events to solicit additional

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input. Um and so we'll be summarizing uh

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everything that we has been heard um

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which will be included as a attachment

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to the final uh downtown sub area plan

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So, moving on, I will run through some

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of the major takeaways uh and provide a

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little bit more background information

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about um downtown.

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within downtown itself, um as of 2023,

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there are about 4,800 people living

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downtown. And as part of our comp plan

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projections and growth targets, we're

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anticipating that number to nearly

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double over the next 20 years. Um,

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related to that, we have specific

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housing and job growth targets. So, in

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order to support that population and

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economic growth, we're anticipating um

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just short of 2,000 new housing units

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within downtown and about 2,000 new

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board's awareness is that the city has

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um submitted downtown to be considered

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as a King Countywide growth center. Um

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and so the main benefit of that is it

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does um make us more competitive for

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various uh funding that's available for

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infrastructure improvements. Um and the

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update we've received thus far is that

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uh King County staff are recommending

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approval of that. Um and their board

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will take action on that decision in

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demographic information for those living

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in downtown versus citywide, the major

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differences that we saw were

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particularly related to age distribution

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and household incomes. Um so a lot of

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the households uh living within downtown

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are young professionals between the age

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of 20 and 40. you'll see um both of

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those are quite a bit higher than

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overall house downtown households tend

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to earn less um than those citywide. So

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um in particular, one of the biggest

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gaps is households earning over 200k.

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of people living downtown uh of

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households that earn less than 75K as

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well. Uh, so this may reflect people

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that are uh earlier in their careers as

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well as the um smaller household size

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within downtown since it is a majority

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one and twobedroom um units within

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So overall in terms of land use and

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development um you know we're seeing a

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lot of growth that's expanding beyond

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the core um past both way as well as

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the main feedback that we've heard from

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residents is there is some concern about

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the scale of recent growth and the stark

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contrast that exists between some of the

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newer mixeduse developments and our

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historic main street. And so really

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looking at ways we can better blend

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those two experiences downtown.

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And then um we'll talk a little bit on

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some following slides that there are a

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select number of key re redevelopment

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sites that are remaining. That was a

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large impetus for a lot of the

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redevelopment that occurred over the

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past 15 years. And so looking forward um

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we've made an effort to identify those

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remaining uh redevelopment opportunities

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um in relation to

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uh what I mentioned about the

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differences in uh scale of some of the

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newer mixeduse buildings and what we

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typically see along uh the historic main

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street. Um, we've also identified uh

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some discrepancies between our existing

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height limits within the downtown

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transition area and lower Maidwood

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Maywood um as part of the comp plan

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updates last year. The height limit for

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that zoning district um was increased to

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55 ft whereas our existing downtown

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transition zones are limited to 35 ft.

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So um as part of the code updates look

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next year we'll be looking at how we can

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better um rectify that.

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Um so on your screen I have a map of the

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uh residential and mixeduse developments

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that have occurred since 2009 that are

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highlighted in brown.

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And then as I mentioned the uh kind of

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identified potential remaining

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opportunity sites are highlighted in

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pink. The two largest ones uh or most

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prominent ones being the remaining

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parcels outside of city hall and the

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parcels at Triangle Junction which are

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both undergoing environmental cleanup.

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And so once that remediation is

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complete, um there'll be opportunities

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on those sites um

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for redevelopment.

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And so as part of this project, um we

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have hired a urban design consultant to

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help us look at a couple of those key

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opportunity sites in a little more

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detail and start exploring um what

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future redevelopment could look like. um

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particularly based on the elements that

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um community members have expressed um

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that they would like to see more of

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downtown.

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In terms of housing affordability, um

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we've seen a lot of housing growth in

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downtown over the past um 15 years. And

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as I mentioned, that growth is projected

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to keep growing over the next 20 years.

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Um,

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a large part of this new development has

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been uh apartment complexes, uh,

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particularly one to two-bedroom units.

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Um, and one interesting fact that we

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found is that 45% of the existing

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housing stock now was built between 2010

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and 2019. So, a lot of new development

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that's occurred recently.

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And then on the right there, I just have

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a chart uh breaking down the existing

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housing types within downtown. And

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you'll see about 2/3 uh are apartments,

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18% single family, and so forth.

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And then one of the things we looked at

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was um the rough affordability of

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renting downtown versus ownership

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downtown over that same time period from

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2013 to 2024. Um, so what we did was

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compared the median household incomes

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for each year and compared that with

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median rents and median mortgage rates.

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Um, and so that's what that graph on the

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left hand side is showing. And you'll

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see that renting in general has been uh

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much more affordable than ownership

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options downtown over that period with

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just a brief portion um around COVID

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time crossing that 30% threshold. Um and

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then you'll notice in the figures on the

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right that they're uh due to the lower

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household incomes downtown, we also see

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a higher percentage of renters and

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homeowners that are cost burdened. So

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those spending over 30% of their incomes

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on housing and then uh a high percentage

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as well are also severely burdened which

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means that they're spending over 50% of

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income on housing.

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And then for downtown specifically, we

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do have a number of overlays that have

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um required affordable um that require

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affordable housing units um within those

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areas.

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Um the chart on the right there is our

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we have specific housing targets based

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on income bands. So, out of that um

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2,000 roughly new housing units that I

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mentioned over the next 20 years, we're

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aiming uh to make sure that serves the

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various um income brackets accordingly.

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Um so, one of the our main challenges is

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that our existing affordable uh housing

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overlays have resulted in some new

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affordable units. Um, but it's a

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relatively small percentage that will

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increase as we see lot P South come

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online. Um, and the SAM senior

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apartments are also affordable units

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that just recently came online. Um, and

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then in addition to that, uh, we're

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currently looking at potential revisions

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to our MFT program and some of the other

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voluntary incentives um to because those

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have not been as utilized as we would

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like.

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» [snorts]

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» Um

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and so meeting our housing targets

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particularly for those low and very low

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income bands are really going to take um

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a lot of effort uh across the board to

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make happen.

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looking at uh e economic development as

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I mentioned um we've seen similar growth

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in jobs uh and we're projecting about

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2,000 more over the next 20 years when

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we looked at the top sectors based on

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the number of businesses amount of

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employees and total sales revenue. um we

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see that uh downtown has a high

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concentration of health care services

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and so that came out on top in all three

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of those categories. In terms of number

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of businesses, um the other top

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categories were professional services,

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retail and restaurants. The highest

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number of employees were restaurants,

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education and government reflecting the

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high number of uh campus and city uh and

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other government employees.

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And then in terms of sale, revenue,

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retail, uh construction, restaurants and

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finance followed healthcare.

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And so downtown is a growing employment

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and business center. Um typically in

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terms of foot traffic and activity, we

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see that it's highest during the day and

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on weekends. Um so looking at

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opportunities uh for additional there's

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a lot of public interest in additional

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retail entertainment options and dining

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uh to kind of expand that into the

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evenings as well.

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And then um there are some prominent

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vacancies particularly at the end of

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Main Street um near Triangle Junction

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that remain and so working on um once

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redevelopment of Triangle Junction comes

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through hoping to fill those as well.

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And then some of the feedback we heard

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from local businesses is that they do

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face challenges related to rising costs,

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permitting, um, parking availability as

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well as variable foot traffic.

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Transportation wise, um, some of the

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previous investments that the city made

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had major impacts on downtown and really

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helped support the redevelopment that

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occurred over the past 15 years. There

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are a number of major corridor

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improvements that are on the horizon,

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including uh improvements to both way

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north of uh Reader. [snorts]

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There's also planned improvements to

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102nd, including replacement of the

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102nd Avenue Bridge, as well as um

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widening of that road to accommodate an

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extension of a shared use path. and then

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as well along Beardsley Boulevard to

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help accommodate uh planned BRT routes

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as well as to create some protected bike

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facilities along that route.

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And related to that, the uh upcoming BRT

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routes are going to have a major impact.

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Both the um sound transit and community

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transit lines will be serving um

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downtown both east to west as well as

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north south connections

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um which will help improve some of those

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connections uh to surrounding regions

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and destinations.

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And then one of the most common concerns

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we heard from residents was uh primarily

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focused around parking availability

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downtown. Um, an interesting stat from

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our economic vitality plan was that uh

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10% of visitors downtown live within one

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mile. So, it's a relatively small

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percentage while uh roughly half travel

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for more than 5 miles. So, there is a

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need to accommodate those visitors. Um,

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but there we've also heard from

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residents that they really want to

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retain the walkability of downtown. So

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looking at how we balance those two

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things and and make it accessible to

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all.

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And then the other thing we've heard is

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there's a need for better uh just

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clearer information and wayfinding about

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um both parking availability but also um

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directions to different major facilities

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um the trails uh and other networks

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downtown.

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Um, in terms of parks and open space,

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uh, downtown has a large concentration

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of parks and open space. Uh, there's

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about 74 acres in total. Um, which

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exceeds the citywide level of service,

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which is about 3.5 acres per thousand

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residents, whereas downtown is about 14.

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Um

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the one thing to note there is that

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obviously the downtown uh parks and open

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spaces serve a much broader audience

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than just those living within the

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downtown um sub area itself.

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And [snorts]

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uh as part of the pros plan updates,

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they also conducted an updated walkshed

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analysis. And we found as part of that

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that a majority of downtown highlighted

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in that blue color on the map on your

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screen is within a 10-minute walking

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distance of uh some sort of park or open

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space downtown.

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And uh one other thing I'll highlight

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here is that our existing downtown code

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um does require public open space uh as

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part of private developments. So,

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they're privately owned public spaces.

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An example of which being um the patio

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on the screen at the Pops apartments.

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There's a couple of other examples

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throughout downtown. Um and while this

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has led to new open space kind of

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distributed throughout the downtown,

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there's not a large awareness that these

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areas are open to the public. And so,

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um, as part of our efforts moving

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forward, looking at how we can better

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encourage, uh, people to utilize these

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and maybe support, uh, different types

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of programming as well throughout

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downtown.

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And then we do have a section of the

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plan specifically focused on arts,

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culture, and historic places. Um, which

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is primarily where we would, uh, like

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some feedback from this board. Um some

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of the major themes that we've heard

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from community members is that they

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really value um the existing arts

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culture and uh historic places that

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contribute to downtown's identity and

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sense of place um

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that and there's interest in expanding

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those um as we move forward to to

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increase that. Um, some of the

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additional things we've heard is that

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some of the existing regulations for

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downtown do create challenges for

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expanding art and cultural programming.

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Um, one of the examples being uh the

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expansion of murals like the example on

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the screen. Um, right now there's not a

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super clear process for design review uh

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or allowances for those types of

556
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,960
installations. And so really looking at

557
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:55,440
how we potentially streamline that and

558
00:26:52,960 --> 00:27:00,400
encourage more business owners

559
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:04,960
particularly on u empty uh building

560
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:08,679
spaces or um vacant frontages to to

561
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,679
activate those spaces.

562
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,679
And then finally, uh, natural resources

563
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,440
and sustainability.

564
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:18,640
Um,

565
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,960
in relation to the, uh, large

566
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,640
concentration of natural assets

567
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,919
downtown,

568
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,080
um, we know that projected growth will

569
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:31,039
increase pressure on those systems. And

570
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:34,080
so really looking forward as part of the

571
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:37,360
plan, how we expand existing restoration

572
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:40,320
efforts and integrate green building and

573
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:43,120
design techniques. uh as redevelopment

574
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,440
moves forward.

575
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:48,960
So, a couple of items I wanted to just

576
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:52,799
call out for this board specifically

577
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,559
um of relevance is that downtown has the

578
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:58,880
highest concentration of historic

579
00:27:54,559 --> 00:28:01,440
resources in both. Um, we have the

580
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,480
special review area that's highlighted

581
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:08,000
in that green outline that has uh

582
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,840
specific uh historic resource uh

583
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,520
regulations and architectural

584
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:17,279
requirements.

585
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:20,559
Um, we had an inventory of properties

586
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:23,600
within that area in 2019 that was

587
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:26,960
completed. um and we'll be building upon

588
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,799
that as part of the citywide inventory

589
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,120
um that you'll get a presentation on

590
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:35,840
tonight. And then also an opportunity um

591
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:38,240
to really highlight that history as part

592
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,240
of future arts, cultural and historic

593
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,240
programming.

594
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Um so some of the things that have come

595
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,720
up related to the existing special

596
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,880
review area is opportunities to clarify

597
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,240
um the guidelines versus requirements

598
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,399
within there and making it a bit um

599
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:03,840
leaning more on the requirement side to

600
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:07,919
make it more of a uh uh

601
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:11,760
more predictable uh

602
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:14,080
process for developers. Um and then

603
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,120
process to improve the consistency

604
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,600
between that particular section and our

605
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:23,520
wider historic preservation standards in

606
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:26,320
title 22. Um as well as to clarify some

607
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:29,120
of the distinctions between different

608
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,679
types of development within this area

609
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,720
between new development versus whether

610
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:37,720
it's infill or restoration or small

611
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,720
remodels.

612
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:43,919
And then, as I mentioned, there was the

613
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:46,000
2019 inventory study, um, feasibility

614
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:49,600
study that was done to look at the

615
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,080
potential for a historic district within

616
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,760
downtown rather than individually

617
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:58,720
designated properties. And so, um, just

618
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,600
a quick synop synopsis of the findings

619
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,919
from that were that, uh, a historic

620
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,960
district could potentially, uh, be

621
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:10,720
established between both way and 104th

622
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:13,039
Avenue. when they looked at the

623
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:17,039
eligibility of the properties within

624
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:19,679
that um special review area, there's 24

625
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:21,919
individually eligible properties and

626
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:24,720
about 34

627
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:29,440
um that could be considered contributing

628
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:31,520
properties for a historic district. Um

629
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,840
I'm not sure how much of this has been

630
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:38,000
talked through with this board

631
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:40,720
previously. Um, but the potential

632
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,120
benefits from my understanding are that

633
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:46,559
it does relax some of that eligibility

634
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,880
criteria when you do pursue a historic

635
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:51,679
district rather than individually

636
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,919
designated sites. Um, and does open up

637
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:56,399
available funding to help support upkeep

638
00:30:53,919 --> 00:31:00,120
and re rehabilitation of some of those

639
00:30:56,399 --> 00:31:00,120
more historic structures.

640
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,520
And then finally, as mentioned, um we

641
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,520
have several existing um art

642
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,679
installations that really highlight

643
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,480
both's history. And so looking at

644
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:18,080
opportunities moving forward um to

645
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:21,080
expand that um throughout throughout

646
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,080
downtown.

647
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:28,640
And so I know that was a lot of content.

648
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:32,320
So I'll stop there just if there are any

649
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:35,279
particular questions or comments on some

650
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:40,200
of the material I just covered. Um

651
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:40,200
before talking about kind of next steps.

652
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:49,039
Uh Ray Thomas, uh my question would be

653
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:52,240
uh you in referring to affordability,

654
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:57,080
you um mentioned the

655
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,080
» It won't let me raise my hand.

656
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000
Well,

657
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,840
» Um

658
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,799
the you mentioned the efforts that that

659
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,279
be might be required to meet some of

660
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,440
those targets and I was wondering what

661
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:18,000
kind of efforts

662
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:21,760
you know might be conceived of or

663
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:24,640
considered there. Um

664
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,640
Ray, do you want to jump in at all?

665
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Yeah.

666
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,399
Yes, I can speak a little more to that

667
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,200
as the project manager for the housing

668
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:39,519
action plan. Um, and so several efforts

669
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,360
are being taken to work on affordable

670
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,679
housing. As Cameron mentioned, we have a

671
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,159
LAP project which we worked with ARCH

672
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:48,399
who is our um main affordable housing

673
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:50,799
provider for East King County. We lined

674
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:53,200
up several state and nonprofit grants to

675
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:55,519
make that project feasible. um seeing

676
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,760
that um that those units are

677
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:59,919
significantly below market rate. Also,

678
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,320
our multif family tax exemption program

679
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:05,600
is a tax exempt program that helps

680
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,679
developers um build multif family units

681
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,080
um in exchange for providing deeply

682
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:13,120
affordable units. And lastly is our

683
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,279
zoning code. So, we have a few mandatory

684
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,000
overlays in that um in the map as you

685
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:21,039
can see there. But we also expanded our

686
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:24,000
code to allow for voluntary affordable

687
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:27,039
um housing creation. So developers can

688
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,200
voluntarily choose to opt in and in

689
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,799
exchange receive um increased density or

690
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,799
increased height depending on where they

691
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:36,080
choose. So it's a multi-pronged approach

692
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:38,960
to addressing the um affordable housing

693
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,480
shortage that we're hoping will provide

694
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,000
will help us create the units that we

695
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:49,120
need for the next 20 years.

696
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:52,320
And uh just for reference, the voluntary

697
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:55,919
um incentives and height increases, uh

698
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:58,320
the diagram on the left shows uh those

699
00:33:55,919 --> 00:34:02,360
for each of the respective zoning

700
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,360
districts downtown there.

701
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,640
» Uh Vicki, do you have a question or

702
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,079
» Can you hear me? Yes, [clears throat] we

703
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:20,639
can.

704
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:23,760
» Oh, good. I'm sorry. I'm I have a very

705
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:26,000
strange uh internet and it's very slow.

706
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,919
So, a lot of the meeting froze on me and

707
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,720
then it dropped me. So, I'm back in for

708
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:33,280
the moment. Um

709
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:35,200
two two items. [clears throat] One is

710
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,720
you're you're looking at the the

711
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,800
heights.

712
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:42,879
Um there I hope it's still in the record

713
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,159
because it's almost 20 years ago we

714
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:48,240
reviewed Heights downtown.

715
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:50,320
And

716
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:52,879
the other item is when you were

717
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,800
discussing the historic district that

718
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:58,160
has actually been in the landmark

719
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,880
board's agenda and discussions

720
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,599
since 1994.

721
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,640
And

722
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:10,000
while we would love to see that and

723
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:13,440
would love to have our

724
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:16,000
um title 22

725
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:20,000
amanable to that

726
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,520
we have had push back on a number of

727
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,800
fronts

728
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,680
uh related to property owners related to

729
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,640
well that's been in particular um

730
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:36,320
related to the city council and related

731
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:40,000
to um local developers. Um it it's been

732
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:44,079
on three fronts. So if we can move past

733
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,560
some of those that would be amazing and

734
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:49,040
I would really love to be in on the

735
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,440
discussions for that because we have had

736
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,160
this

737
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:58,160
uh as something that the landmark board

738
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:04,839
has wanted to be behind for a very long

739
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:04,839
time. That puts it at about 32 years. Um

740
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:11,280
I mean otherwise I I really appreciate

741
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:15,040
the work that's been done on this and

742
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:18,079
bringing it forward in this way with

743
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,440
community input. I've been part of the

744
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:24,359
groups who have done this community

745
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,359
input too and

746
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,400
it's

747
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:33,760
I I would really like to see how we can

748
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:36,880
involve this in our title 22 and making

749
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:40,880
our title 22 a little more flexible to

750
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:45,880
facilitate it and but at the same time

751
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,880
I'm not talking about facilitating

752
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,839
multiple increased heights that just

753
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,960
essentially dissolve our downtown. We

754
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:59,920
have four blocks here

755
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:02,480
that are some of the re main reasons

756
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:07,240
people want to live in both. They like

757
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,240
having a historic downtown.

758
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,400
That's it for the moment. Ray, thanks.

759
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:18,240
» Thank you, Vicki. Um, I just wanted to

760
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:24,560
follow up in terms of uh has has there

761
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:27,680
been outreach to property owners um

762
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:31,040
in the area to facilitate

763
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:34,720
low-income housing and um and even

764
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:36,400
parking uh facilities. Um I'm I'm

765
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,880
thinking specifically of my church which

766
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,640
is Both First Lutheran. We don't have a

767
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,760
huge parking lot compared to some

768
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:46,320
churches, but it's substantial. And I

769
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,480
don't know, you know, we would need a

770
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,760
lot of help. We couldn't probably raise

771
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:56,640
funds like the uh the Methodist church

772
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:59,920
did to uh initiate their project uh

773
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:05,359
ideas, but um we do have the space

774
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:11,040
there. And I think the property uh um

775
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:13,520
committee um has talked about um a

776
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,280
parking garage. Um I've talked with some

777
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,720
of them about a parking garage with

778
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:21,119
housing, affordable housing or human

779
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:25,200
services. I think we downtown human

780
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:28,640
services will be online pretty well when

781
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:32,560
um uh when the urban project gets

782
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:36,320
completed. But um that is a resource I I

783
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:39,280
think the city should consider that um

784
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,240
churches are are you know facing a lot

785
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:45,280
of change but they're also open to a lot

786
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:47,599
of change. So I think there's again

787
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,040
sometimes it's timing. Uh you speak to

788
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:52,320
the right people at the right time so

789
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:57,320
that it's heard. But um I I just put

790
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,320
that in your tickler file at least.

791
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,960
» Yeah. Thank you very much both of you.

792
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:07,520
Um that was really helpful context. um

793
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:10,240
Vicki and then yeah, to my knowledge, um

794
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,720
there hasn't been that level of outreach

795
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,800
to surrounding property owners, but I'm

796
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,400
sure council would be interested if

797
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,760
there are additional opportunities

798
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:24,640
downtown for um either similar projects

799
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:26,720
to lot P or um you know, other types. Uh

800
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,880
so that's definitely something we can

801
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:29,880
look into.

802
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,520
I'm not seeing any other hands raised.

803
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:40,240
Um,

804
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,400
I would just say thank you very much. I

805
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:44,160
was very pleased. Uh some of you may

806
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,000
know I wasn't very happy at the meeting

807
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:54,720
last night at city council with the um

808
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:59,599
uh lack of mention either by the arts um

809
00:39:54,720 --> 00:40:04,079
commission um or in uh some of the

810
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:07,280
planning as where uh

811
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:08,800
historic preservation, historic cultural

812
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:14,400
recognition

813
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:17,119
uh fits in. I think um you documented

814
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,200
the desire for that at least here. I I

815
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,200
don't know how deep that runs and what

816
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,400
the council's commitment to it will be,

817
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:27,960
but um I appreciate seeing it noted

818
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,960
here. Thank you.

819
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:35,040
» Um if there's no other questions, I did

820
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:38,160
just want to briefly mention um kind of

821
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,880
next steps on this project. Um so as

822
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,520
mentioned we will be releasing uh the

823
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,599
full draft including existing conditions

824
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,640
and recommendations within the next

825
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:52,160
couple of weeks. Um, and then I'd like

826
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:55,520
to invite everyone. Um, we'll be hosting

827
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:59,040
a public open house on Wednesday, July

828
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,119
22nd here in council chambers. Um, where

829
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,839
people will have an opportunity to learn

830
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:06,480
more about um, what we've heard from the

831
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:09,119
community, the draft recommendations,

832
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:14,040
and be able to provide more input um, if

833
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:14,040
we've missed anything. Um

834
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:20,000
and then uh the goal being after that

835
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,880
would be to take all feedback uh that we

836
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,960
hear over the summer, work that into

837
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,440
revising the plan, and then that will

838
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,520
come back um to the board's plan

839
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:34,200
commission and city council for final

840
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,200
review and approval later this year.

841
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:44,000
» Thank you. I've had that public meeting

842
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,000
on uh my calendar for some weeks. So,

843
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,440
thank you again for mentioning it. I

844
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,960
think it's important people be there and

845
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:56,560
go over those things, ask questions, and

846
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,160
uh be prepared to bring comments to the

847
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,800
planning commission or planning

848
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:04,359
department and the planning commission

849
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,359
and the council.

850
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:10,119
Are there any other questions or

851
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,119
concerns?

852
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:22,119
Well, thank you again for the

853
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,119
presentation. Um,

854
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:38,240
I would like to introduce um Chris Anne

855
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:40,000
Beckner and Lauren Waldrup with

856
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,160
historical research associates

857
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,119
incorporated who will give a briefing on

858
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,720
the both survey update.

859
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:48,480
Hello.

860
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,720
» Hi, thank you so much. Thank you for

861
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,480
having us this evening. Um, I'm really

862
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,079
glad we got to hear that presentation.

863
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,680
Thank you so much for having us here for

864
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:57,359
that.

865
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,119
Um, I am Chris Anne. I'm an

866
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:01,359
architectural historian with Historical

867
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:03,680
Research Associates. And as you

868
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:06,000
mentioned, my colleague Lauren Waldrup

869
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,240
is here as well. And we just wanted to

870
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,079
take the opportunity to introduce you to

871
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:13,920
historical research associates and to

872
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:16,319
ourselves and to the both city survey.

873
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,760
Um, we have a quick slide presentation,

874
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:21,119
but please let us know if you have

875
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:25,480
questions as we run through these.

876
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:25,480
Make sure that I can share this.

877
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,319
Can everybody see the presentation?

878
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,440
» Yes.

879
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:37,599
» Very good. Thank you.

880
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,839
All right. So, we are from Historical

881
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,680
Research Associates. We are a cultural

882
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:43,440
resources management firm. We are your

883
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,319
new cultural resources management firm

884
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,160
and we're going to be joining

885
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:50,319
the city of both in some survey and

886
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,839
inventory. Um we just heard a lot about

887
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:53,520
your downtown and the survey that was

888
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:55,599
done there. It'll be interesting to look

889
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,400
at other parts of both and add to the

890
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,400
data that you already have.

891
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,520
So a little bit about HR. Um, we like to

892
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,680
think we make the past accessible

893
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,680
through the collaborative,

894
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,440
equitable,

895
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,240
and principled practice of cultural

896
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,920
resources management. We also in do a

897
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,280
lot of history projects and provide a

898
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,160
lot of effective solutions for our

899
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,240
clients in our communities. Um, HR has

900
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,240
been around since 1974 and you can see

901
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,599
all those little icons. We are primarily

902
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,119
in the Northwest, but we do have

903
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,960
satellite offices throughout the

904
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:30,640
country. Uh we are currently a

905
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,200
woman-owned small business and we

906
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,760
provide consulting services in CRM,

907
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,680
litigation support, historical research,

908
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,920
interpretive services and we have a new

909
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,040
program we call AIRS the aerial imagery

910
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,880
and remote sensing services program.

911
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,319
We are really proud we have a a

912
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,640
reputation for excellence and we have

913
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:50,319
expertise in our fields and we really

914
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,079
love when we get to provide historical

915
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:54,560
architectural and archaeological studies

916
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:56,319
to clients. Um, a lot of our clients are

917
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,680
in the private, local, state, and

918
00:44:56,319 --> 00:45:02,079
federal uh, regulatory nexuses,

919
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,079
contexts, but we also work with leaders

920
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:07,960
in transportation, education, energy,

921
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,960
and public and private development.

922
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,079
Uh, just a quick rundown of the services

923
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,520
we provide. The cultural resources

924
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,440
management division, that's me and

925
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Lauren and a lot of other people. Uh we

926
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,200
do architectural studies, archaeological

927
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,280
studies and that usually is in the

928
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,040
support of um projects that are being

929
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,640
reviewed under federal regulations,

930
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,119
sometimes state and local regulations as

931
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:30,079
well. The aerial imagery and remote

932
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:32,880
sensing services. They are our cutting

933
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:36,400
edge technology team and they're using

934
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:39,040
everything from magnetic radiometry, um

935
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,560
LAR, photoggramometry in the air through

936
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,319
the use of drones to get a better

937
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,240
understanding of what's above ground,

938
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:46,240
below ground from all viewpoints.

939
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:51,760
We also do litigation support. We work a

940
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,000
lot with um cases and we do a lot of the

941
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,680
research that supports litigation. So

942
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,680
our histories delve into detailed

943
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,000
historical investigations and we supply

944
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,319
clients with accurate and contextrich

945
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,079
information for a variety of needs from

946
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:06,560
academic research to public history

947
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:08,560
projects. We also do public history that

948
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,960
is sort of our interpretive specialist

949
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,960
arm. Um, so we provide inform

950
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,560
informative histories outside the

951
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,240
traditional classroom setting and we

952
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,400
like to help our clients really tell

953
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:22,400
their stories creatively. So that's sort

954
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,160
of what our public history arm does.

955
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,240
And then for the both city survey, I

956
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,839
just wanted to share with you our team a

957
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,240
little bit about who we are and who

958
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:32,079
supports us. Um, your primary contracts

959
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,839
will be myself, Chrisanne Beckner, and

960
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,640
my colleague Lauren, who's also on this

961
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:38,880
call. Um, we both have master's degrees

962
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:41,119
in architectural history. mine from the

963
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,040
University of Oregon in 2009 and

964
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:47,119
Laurens's from the University of Georgia

965
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:49,280
in 2017. We're both SOI qualified. Um I

966
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:51,280
manage H's architectural history program

967
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,640
across all of our offices and Lauren has

968
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,359
been working in our Seattle office with

969
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,200
us since 2020.

970
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:58,800
Just briefly, we have a lot of people

971
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,240
who are supporting us in many

972
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,680
administrative ways. A few of them

973
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,079
that'll be working with us on this

974
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,760
project are listed here below. We have

975
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,520
Jen Getart who's our logistics

976
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,920
coordinator. She helps get us get get us

977
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,000
into the field. Uh we have Jen Gilpin

978
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,760
who who is our health and safety manager

979
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,520
and she makes sure that we are always

980
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,119
safe in the field. We have a health and

981
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,839
safety plan for every one of our

982
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,880
projects. We have Gabe Frasier who is

983
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:24,560
our GIS coordinator and he also works

984
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,280
really closely with Lauren, one of our

985
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,839
GIS experts, our mapping experts. So

986
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,400
she's really a fantastic asset on this

987
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:34,400
project. And then Don Vogel is our

988
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,720
editor and publications coordinator.

989
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,040
Everything that we do at H goes through

990
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:41,520
an intensive tech review process,

991
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,119
editing, production support, etc. to

992
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:48,280
make sure you get deliverables that are

993
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:48,280
accurate and complete and perfect.

994
00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:55,200
A little more about us. Um, again, I'm

995
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:56,960
Chris. I joined H in 2013. Um, I

996
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,119
specialize in program and project

997
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,560
management, architectural and survey and

998
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,560
inventory, which I've been doing for a

999
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,480
long time, and then cultural resources

1000
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,040
reporting generally under local, state,

1001
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,359
and federal regulations. I prepare

1002
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,920
survey and inventory reports, historic

1003
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:13,520
property inventory forms and wizard,

1004
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,760
nominations to local, state, and

1005
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,079
national registers of historic places,

1006
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,240
multiple property documents, HABs hair

1007
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:22,079
documentation, historic contexts,

1008
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,599
historic landscape reports, mitigation

1009
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,119
documentation. Basically, any of the

1010
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:27,440
ways that we interact with the built

1011
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:29,200
environment, we do the reporting for.

1012
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,800
Um, as I mentioned, Lauren joined us in

1013
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,520
2020, and I'd like to give her a minute

1014
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:36,319
to introduce herself. If we can unmute

1015
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:39,440
her.

1016
00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:42,160
» Yeah, I was I can do that. Um, my name

1017
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,640
is Lauren Waldrup and I moved up to the

1018
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:49,040
Pacific Northwest in 2020 and I started

1019
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:51,200
working with HA and um, since then I've

1020
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:54,160
been able to do work in several states

1021
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,559
in the Pacific Northwest. Um, but I

1022
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,839
generally specialize in architectural

1023
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:03,599
survey and inventory field and archival

1024
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:05,200
research. um mapping requests usually

1025
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,040
actually I was taking pictures of the

1026
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:11,359
his potential historic districts maps

1027
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:16,400
earlier um and cultural resources

1028
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:18,240
reporting um and I think that yeah that

1029
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,559
kind of covers it.

1030
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,920
» Thank you Lauren. So uh Lauren and I

1031
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,839
work really closely together. We've been

1032
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,520
a team on multiple projects. I have

1033
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:27,680
literally evaluated thousands of

1034
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,520
resources in Washington. Um I think

1035
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,040
Lauren's closing in on that as well.

1036
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,079
We're going to be your two contacts.

1037
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,480
We're going to be the people working

1038
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:36,319
most closely on this project. Um because

1039
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,240
Lauren is so great at GIS, we're going

1040
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:40,960
to have excellent maps along with really

1041
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:44,440
well done um reporting on all of our

1042
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,440
survey results.

1043
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,960
Okay. Are you seeing the presentation,

1044
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:52,960
may I ask, or are you seeing Lauren?

1045
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,640
» We're seeing the presentation.

1046
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,440
» Okay. Very good. Thank you very much.

1047
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Okay. Um, so we have had a chance to

1048
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,760
kick this project off, but we are still

1049
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,280
just getting started and I did sort of

1050
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,440
want to give you an idea of what our

1051
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,359
discussions have been like. Um, so far

1052
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,839
we've refined the goals for this project

1053
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:11,920
in conversation with the city of both

1054
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:14,079
and um, the list of them is here. I'll

1055
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,119
just run through them quickly. We want

1056
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:20,319
to identify any inaccurate or outdated

1057
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:22,319
wizard data for our survey population.

1058
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:25,040
We want to conduct survey and inventory

1059
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:26,800
of 100 previously undocumented

1060
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,559
resources. These will be resources that

1061
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,119
don't have inventory forms and haven't

1062
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:33,040
been part of previous studies.

1063
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:35,520
We want to conduct a windshield survey

1064
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,760
or an integrity check of an additional

1065
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,920
100 resources that have already been

1066
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,880
surveyed. Perhaps they were surveyed in

1067
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,800
an initial um survey report, but nobody

1068
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,480
has necessarily taken a look at them in

1069
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,920
the last little while. We want to make

1070
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,400
sure that you have up-to-date data

1071
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,960
regarding those resources. primarily um

1072
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,559
as it relates to integrity.

1073
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,079
And then we want to keep you informed.

1074
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,680
We want to stay in communication with

1075
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:59,040
you and with city staff and make sure

1076
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,160
that we're answering your questions and

1077
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,760
learning from you while we go on.

1078
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,359
So the approach that we put together and

1079
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,880
this was done in conversation. We had a

1080
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:08,240
really wonderful kickoff meeting and we

1081
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,480
sort of discussed what the goals of the

1082
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,720
survey were and how we could get there.

1083
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,000
So the these are sort of the approaches

1084
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:15,920
that Lauren and I are going to go

1085
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,000
through. We really want to understand

1086
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,240
the context for this study. So, we're

1087
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,720
reviewing past architectural inventories

1088
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,119
and wizard records and King and Snomish

1089
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:28,000
County tax assessor data. We're looking

1090
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:30,559
his at historic maps and aerials, local

1091
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,079
histories, other city of both records.

1092
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,240
As Lauren mentioned, the material that

1093
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,599
was being discussed earlier, um the

1094
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,040
downtown plan, that's going to be

1095
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:39,520
something we're going to take a close

1096
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,760
look at because one of our goals is to

1097
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,240
understand not just historic resources

1098
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,400
that haven't received documentation, but

1099
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:48,079
how that intersects with sort of the

1100
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,839
planning pressures that we hear you're

1101
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,280
facing. We know that development is

1102
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:52,960
happening in both. We want to get you

1103
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,440
good data for areas that maybe haven't

1104
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,520
been studied as well. So we'll be doing

1105
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,359
some land use mapping to identify areas

1106
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,640
of increased development pressure

1107
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:02,960
especially those that have minimal

1108
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,880
documentation for that reconnaissance

1109
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,440
level survey and inventory we want to do

1110
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,200
of 100 resources. So just to talk about

1111
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,520
those two phases that reconnaissance

1112
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,839
level survey will target 100 previously

1113
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,680
undocumented resources within those

1114
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:17,520
areas facing increased development

1115
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,440
pressure.

1116
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,280
within that 100. We also really wanted

1117
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,800
to give some attention to a number of

1118
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,480
resources that were identified

1119
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,079
previously that have really important

1120
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,319
cultural

1121
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:29,920
um associations. Uh there was a study

1122
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,280
done fairly recently and the data has

1123
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,720
just been shared with us. So that's

1124
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,559
going to be at least four of our

1125
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:36,000
hundred. We want to take a close look at

1126
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,520
those and see if they would be eligible

1127
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,400
for listing at the local, state or

1128
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,559
national level.

1129
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,240
For that 100 resource survey, we thought

1130
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:46,319
we should focus our attention on those

1131
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,160
resources that are likely to be eligible

1132
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:50,400
for their architectural character. So

1133
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,880
under National Register criterion C or

1134
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,480
both landmark designation criteria C, D

1135
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,400
or E for their architectural

1136
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,240
significance.

1137
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,800
For the windshield survey, we want to

1138
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,640
take a look at additional that that 100

1139
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,200
previously surveyed resources that

1140
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,640
require updated surveyed data. And for

1141
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,599
those we're going to focus on updating

1142
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,599
inaccurate or outdated data and updating

1143
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:13,280
eligibility recommendations based on

1144
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,359
existing conditions. So giving that

1145
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,359
integrity check. And part of our goal

1146
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:19,520
also is to share this information with

1147
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:21,200
the state so that Wizard is updated. We

1148
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,040
understand that the city of both has an

1149
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,960
important relationship with Wizard. You

1150
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,480
need that data be to be accurate. So we

1151
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,760
want to support you in getting the best

1152
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:32,240
data into the state's database. Um the

1153
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:35,280
deliverable will be a survey report as

1154
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:37,760
well as 200 HPIs. 100 of them will be

1155
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:41,720
new. 100 of them will be updates to

1156
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,720
previously recorded resources.

1157
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,440
We have roughed in a schedule. Um our

1158
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,599
period of performance goes until the end

1159
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,440
of December 2027. So we have about a

1160
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:56,960
year and a half for this work. As I

1161
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,319
mentioned, we had our kickoff meeting at

1162
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,760
the end of June, and that's where we

1163
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:02,160
discuss these goals and the approach

1164
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,760
with the city of both. Uh we want to

1165
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,079
keep you updated, as I said. So, we'll

1166
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,400
be sending monthly uh project reports to

1167
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:10,559
the city, and we will be checking in

1168
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,079
with the Landmark Preservation Board and

1169
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:15,119
sharing our results with you pro

1170
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:16,640
probably about this time next year.

1171
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,880
I'm just kind of roughing in our work

1172
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,319
plan for July and August of this summer.

1173
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,319
We'll be reviewing all that archival

1174
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:24,960
data that we talked about and we want to

1175
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:28,480
get to a list of resources for survey.

1176
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,160
Um it is hard to narrow down to a 100

1177
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,160
resources of both types. So that's where

1178
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,319
we're going to be using mass uh mapping

1179
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,599
and previously prepared reports. For

1180
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:37,440
instance, we know we're not going to

1181
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,960
work in the downtown area because that's

1182
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,160
already been so well documented. So

1183
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,680
we're going to look for other areas that

1184
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,280
have not received the same attention in

1185
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,040
the past.

1186
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,359
We think our fieldwork effort will

1187
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,520
likely take about a week sometime in the

1188
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:51,599
August September area depending on how

1189
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,440
quickly we can get a survey population

1190
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,880
finalized.

1191
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,240
And then we'll also be doing some

1192
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,000
research at the Washington State

1193
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,000
Archives during that time because as you

1194
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,520
guys know they have the most amazing

1195
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,200
photographic collection, historic

1196
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:06,079
photographic collection of some some of

1197
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,160
the buildings in our area.

1198
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:10,480
The draft survey report we think will

1199
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,920
probably be drafted around April 2027

1200
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,480
and that'll go through city review

1201
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,119
before it comes to you guys and then

1202
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,119
hopefully we will have a final survey

1203
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:21,920
report and those inventory forms for

1204
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:23,920
your review about this time next year.

1205
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,400
We will probably we probably will do the

1206
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,319
reporting first and save the inventory

1207
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,760
forms until they've gone through review

1208
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:31,440
since as you guys may know working in

1209
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,640
Wizard can be challenging. So we want to

1210
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,000
get them right the first time. Want to

1211
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,559
get them reviewed perfect and then

1212
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:39,880
they'll be moved. migrated into DPS

1213
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:39,880
wizard database.

1214
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,640
And that's just a quick review, a quick

1215
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:50,280
introduction. I'd love to answer

1216
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:50,280
questions or tell you more if I can.

1217
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:57,920
Ray, I have a comment.

1218
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:01,280
Of course,

1219
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:05,440
» Go ahead, Vicki.

1220
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:07,599
» Um, okay. this. First off, yes, this is

1221
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,839
so great that we're getting the

1222
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:13,680
inventory updated. It's been several

1223
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:15,920
years and a

1224
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:18,960
Oh, goodness. Without the inventory

1225
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,280
updated, we're behind on a number of

1226
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:25,119
things because that's one of our premier

1227
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:29,599
mandates for what we do. That said, this

1228
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:35,839
is the first time that I recall since 92

1229
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:40,000
that the inventory has gone um outside

1230
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:42,960
the um the landmark board. We were the

1231
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:46,480
ones who literally used our budgets to

1232
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:49,280
pay for the inventory and the upgrades.

1233
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,960
Uh I have participated in doing parts of

1234
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:58,000
the inventory as have a number of our

1235
00:56:52,960 --> 00:57:00,000
staff people. Um, I see some really good

1236
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:04,319
things on that, particularly related to

1237
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:07,520
using Wizard and and being able to um

1238
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:10,799
well, frankly, doing an inventory has

1239
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:13,839
been updated and upgraded since

1240
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:15,440
uh in leaps and bounds since we were

1241
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:18,000
doing literally our paper

1242
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,559
fill-in-theblank inventories

1243
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,280
in 92

1244
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:25,680
to 94.

1245
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,440
That said, when you mention that you're

1246
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:31,200
not going to come before the landmark

1247
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:34,400
board and update us for till next year,

1248
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:37,920
um I would really like to to see a

1249
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:40,640
review of that because we have been a

1250
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:45,280
part of the inventories

1251
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:47,440
and it's part of our our uh

1252
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:51,520
whole

1253
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:54,160
it's it's the basis for a lot of what we

1254
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:57,520
do and a lot of the projects that we do

1255
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,319
over time um

1256
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,480
waiting till next year for an inventory

1257
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:06,160
update is

1258
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:11,280
just I I just don't find it tenable for

1259
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:14,160
what we do frankly. Now that said, um we

1260
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,799
know and have had it

1261
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:21,839
uh under study on the landmark board for

1262
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:24,640
at least 15 years to get a really good

1263
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:26,559
survey of our mid-century modern

1264
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,280
properties.

1265
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:33,599
And I didn't hear any word about that at

1266
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:36,880
all. We have reviewed and

1267
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:41,520
gone through those properties that have

1268
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:45,359
been eligible up to about 15 years ago.

1269
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:47,440
Um the be Yeah. Because it's about 2015

1270
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:49,040
to 2018.

1271
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Um

1272
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:54,160
and then we started realizing that we

1273
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:58,240
need to look at those mid-century

1274
00:58:54,160 --> 00:59:00,160
moderns and we have some uh we've lost a

1275
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:04,640
couple. We've lost a couple of public

1276
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:07,119
buildings that were um

1277
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,960
would have been eligible for not just

1278
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:10,880
both

1279
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,160
um

1280
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,000
landmark list and then there was some

1281
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,400
that truly would have been eligible for

1282
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,880
the state and national.

1283
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:23,760
We were able to get one on the national.

1284
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:27,680
That was that's been incredible.

1285
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:31,359
But again, you need to work with us.

1286
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:33,440
This is part of what we do. I'm really

1287
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:35,200
glad we're getting

1288
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:38,559
um

1289
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:41,040
getting the list updated by people who

1290
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:42,720
really know what they're doing, but at

1291
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:47,119
the same time, we're pretty

1292
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:49,680
knowledgeable, too. And

1293
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:53,599
yeah, that's that's my comment for now

1294
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:55,280
on this. This is also

1295
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:58,400
the first time that I've heard a

1296
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,640
complete uh

1297
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,200
set of what your goals and what your

1298
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:09,040
intents are and generally I would have

1299
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:11,680
heard that a fair while ago and we would

1300
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:14,640
previously

1301
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:17,920
been involved in those people that we

1302
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:21,160
hired to do it if we went outside.

1303
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,160
Thank you.

1304
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:30,240
If I can just respond, Vicki, I'd very

1305
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:32,799
much like to learn from you and and talk

1306
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,160
with you and pick your brains and

1307
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:35,760
understand better what work you've done

1308
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,920
and what your priorities are. I didn't

1309
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,079
mean to suggest that would be our only

1310
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:44,160
opportunity to work with you, just that

1311
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:46,160
we wanted to target that time frame. Um,

1312
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:49,440
but we can we can hopefully stay in

1313
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:53,480
conversation throughout the process.

1314
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,480
Great. We're available.

1315
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:05,079
I'm going to ask a a

1316
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:12,000
question. Uh, and I'm not sure whether

1317
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:15,680
Ry or Adam may be in a better position

1318
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:19,280
to answer this. Um, but I would like it

1319
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:22,280
in the record. Um, why are we doing this

1320
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,280
survey?

1321
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:33,680
» I I can answer. Uh, for staff, uh, the

1322
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:36,559
the survey update has been on on the

1323
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,960
list of of items to be completed for for

1324
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:41,920
a while. This was part of a budget

1325
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:45,839
request that staff put into council as

1326
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:48,559
part of the current bienium. Um, council

1327
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:50,160
approved that. That was the that was the

1328
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:52,640
only additional that was the only budget

1329
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:57,200
item for community development that was

1330
01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:00,799
approved for the 20 2526 bienium budget.

1331
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:03,839
Um, and it's it has been on the work

1332
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:06,400
plan since I started a couple years ago

1333
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:10,319
to make sure that it is completed. Um,

1334
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:12,640
so that is that is the um the short

1335
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:14,400
answer for why are we doing this now?

1336
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:18,480
it's been on the list and the funding

1337
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,760
was allocated from council to

1338
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,000
go forward.

1339
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,720
» Uh I understand why we're doing it now.

1340
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,040
I'm I'm asking the broader question in

1341
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,119
the scope of

1342
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,400
landmarks preservation, historic

1343
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:36,240
preservation. Why are we doing this? Is

1344
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:39,280
the city required to do this? Are there

1345
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:42,640
legal requirements in terms of our

1346
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:45,280
relationship with the state, with the

1347
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,400
federal government?

1348
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:51,359
Is it just a matter of interest that we

1349
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:54,240
do this? Um

1350
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:57,280
I' I've actually had people when asked

1351
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:59,200
the question of, well, what properties

1352
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:02,160
are eligible for a register? I say,

1353
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:06,079
well, anything that's 50 years or more

1354
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:08,640
older. Uh people are amazed at that

1355
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:10,960
because for a lot of people, especially

1356
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,920
in my age group, that's not too long ago

1357
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:16,160
and those homes aren't very old uh in

1358
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,599
our minds at least. They're also not

1359
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:22,480
very significant. So I guess what I'm

1360
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:26,480
looking at is the sort of historical

1361
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:28,160
context of why we do this.

1362
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,000
» Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think you know

1363
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:33,599
within the the comprehensive plan and

1364
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:36,720
the the cultural and historic element

1365
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:38,720
the the goals and policies within there

1366
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,960
guide and and the work through the comp

1367
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:44,400
plan the multi-year comp plan work

1368
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:47,839
guided us to recognize we should look to

1369
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:49,280
see what is out there. Um, as you said,

1370
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:52,480
just because a building is old doesn't

1371
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:54,240
doesn't mean it has any um it may have

1372
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,240
value to certain individuals, but it may

1373
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:00,000
be one of

1374
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:03,520
a thousand of the same house, right? Um,

1375
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:06,640
but utilizing this opportunity to to

1376
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,720
confirm what is out there, what truly

1377
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:14,880
should rise to, you know, up on the

1378
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:16,400
list. um to kind of

1379
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,720
get rid of some of the the the white

1380
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,440
noise, the background noise of I think

1381
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,359
the the 9,300 structures that are out

1382
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,920
there that technically meet that

1383
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:27,839
50-year, but what how should we focus

1384
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,440
this where we know we have some

1385
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:31,119
information on several structures

1386
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,680
already.

1387
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:36,079
um wanting to make sure that we're we're

1388
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:40,079
fulfilling that commitment within those

1389
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:44,000
policies of the comp plan to

1390
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:46,799
uh attempt to at least create a a a

1391
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:49,119
process or at least a an an inventory

1392
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:50,799
and a list to work from. Without that,

1393
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:53,520
we don't know what's out there. It's

1394
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:56,880
just oh, we might we might find

1395
01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:00,880
something. Um but being proactive is

1396
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:03,880
really the the best way to look at this.

1397
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,880
And

1398
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,799
do we benefit in our relationships with

1399
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:13,119
the state

1400
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:18,000
um historical, archaeological, and uh um

1401
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:20,799
office uh or the federal uh landmarks

1402
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:22,799
preservation historic preservation

1403
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:25,520
offices.

1404
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:27,440
There's nothing within the the code that

1405
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:32,240
I'm aware of that identifies there's a

1406
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:36,559
requirement to do this inventory. Um

1407
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,799
but again it it is intended to be uh a

1408
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:43,680
helpful step in continuing to understand

1409
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:46,880
what is out there um what was out there

1410
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:48,799
and how does that help inform

1411
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:53,119
how we

1412
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:57,599
evaluate and and proceed forward with

1413
01:05:53,119 --> 01:06:01,280
historic preservation of of buildings?

1414
01:05:57,599 --> 01:06:04,480
Um is it all connected with the um

1415
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:06,880
certification of the city um to

1416
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:10,319
participate as a certified local

1417
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:14,000
government program?

1418
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:16,400
I understand we have that uh contract or

1419
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,839
at least um

1420
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:22,240
recognition from the state um historical

1421
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:24,799
preservation officer.

1422
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:27,119
To the best of my knowledge, um, COG

1423
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:29,200
communities are not required to do

1424
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:31,039
historic inventories, but are highly

1425
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,520
encouraged and the majority end up doing

1426
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:36,000
historic inventories as COG grants can

1427
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,599
be used to pay for that. Um, and also,

1428
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:41,799
um, it just adds to the repertoire of

1429
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:41,799
knowledge that a community has.

1430
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:48,400
Thank you both. I think you have covered

1431
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:51,440
it well there and I appreciate having in

1432
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:54,319
the record um because the public is not

1433
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,720
well informed about why we do these

1434
01:06:54,319 --> 01:06:59,039
things and why it's important. So I

1435
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:02,319
appreciate that

1436
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:04,079
and uh thank you both

1437
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:06,480
oops excuse me. Thank you both for your

1438
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:09,200
presentation. Um are there any other

1439
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:11,760
questions?

1440
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:15,520
I also would reiterate I would love to

1441
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:20,720
see some communication opportunities uh

1442
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:22,079
before uh spring of 27. Thank you.

1443
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,839
» We will make sure that we stay in

1444
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:27,680
contact with you and and get in touch

1445
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:29,039
before 2027, late 2027. Um I don't have

1446
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,400
any questions at this time though I

1447
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,000
think we are really still in the data

1448
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,000
gathering stage. If you guys have

1449
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,319
information that you think would help us

1450
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:40,160
with this process of of identifying a

1451
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:42,319
survey population, we would love to

1452
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,160
receive, review,

1453
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:47,359
have any of that information to help us

1454
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:48,480
make some decisions. Um,

1455
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:50,079
that's the only thing that I would

1456
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:54,280
request is that if you have information

1457
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:54,280
you think we could use, please share.

1458
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:05,400
» Very good. Thank you again.

1459
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,400
Thank you. We appreciate the time.

1460
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:12,640
» Does the city staff have any reports or

1461
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:16,000
announcements?

1462
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:17,839
» Only announcement from staff. Uh the two

1463
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:22,640
new members for the Landmark

1464
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:27,199
Preservation Board will be um

1465
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:29,279
sworn in or or approved by council uh

1466
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:34,640
scheduled to be done on the 14th. So,

1467
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:38,480
next Tuesday, um it is on on the agenda

1468
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:40,080
for for them to be um brought into the

1469
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:43,920
board. And so, they would they would

1470
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:46,080
join us uh in September for the next

1471
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:48,799
regularly scheduled meeting. We don't

1472
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:51,359
have any items currently on the agenda

1473
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:52,880
for the September meeting. Um if the

1474
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:57,279
board has any items that you would like

1475
01:08:52,880 --> 01:09:02,880
to include, you can let staff know. Um

1476
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:04,000
it's a it's a a ways out, but uh um

1477
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:08,000
yeah, we just don't we don't have

1478
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:11,239
anything on on the list at this point.

1479
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,239
Thank you.

1480
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:19,440
Does any board member have anything to

1481
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:22,000
report or directly related to official

1482
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:24,000
business of the board? uh directly

1483
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,799
related to historic preservation efforts

1484
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:29,799
in the city of both or our future

1485
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:29,799
agenda.

1486
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:44,880
Um not seeing any hands here. Um I do

1487
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:48,799
have a couple of things um

1488
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:53,679
in terms of um just my taking over as

1489
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:56,080
the chair. Um, I I will be assuming uh

1490
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:59,120
the responsibilities uh to coordinate

1491
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:01,440
the creation of the agenda um as

1492
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:06,719
stipulated in our bylaws uh for the

1493
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:10,480
meeting. Um and uh adding any items that

1494
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:14,800
um other board members uh may suggest.

1495
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:18,000
Um, I uh may take the prerogative uh

1496
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:21,520
under the bylaws uh to call special

1497
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:24,560
meetings um as we work toward looking at

1498
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:29,159
the code and provisions of the Landmarks

1499
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:29,159
Preservation Board. Um

1500
01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:36,159
uh

1501
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:39,520
at this point um I will simply just say

1502
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:43,280
that I hope to create uh working with

1503
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:46,800
staff u a number of uh subcommittees or

1504
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:49,600
task force that would reach out to uh

1505
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:54,239
the planning commission, the arts

1506
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:56,320
commission, um the um

1507
01:10:54,239 --> 01:11:00,400
both historic

1508
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:03,040
uh museum board um and possibly others

1509
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:05,040
as suggested. Um so that we have a

1510
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:08,239
working group to communicate more

1511
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:13,600
effectively with these uh organizations

1512
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:16,560
whose efforts uh uh directly uh affect

1513
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:19,560
um historic preservation in the city of

1514
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,560
both.

1515
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:28,880
Uh would any board member like to make a

1516
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:34,120
motion to adjurnn?

1517
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:34,120
Uh I would accept a motion to adjurnn.

1518
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:40,920
Vicki

1519
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:40,920
see your hand up.

1520
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,280
» Hand works and I've been trying to get

1521
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:54,080
it to work all evening. Oh,

1522
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:56,400
» Sorry. Um I move that witcher

1523
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:59,880
Is there a second?

1524
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,880
» I will second.

1525
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:16,400
Uh we'll uh we'll take a vote on that

1526
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:19,360
then. Uh member Thomas I.

1527
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:22,640
Uh

1528
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:23,440
member Musker

1529
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:27,000
» I

1530
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:27,000
» And member SPI

1531
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,239
» I

1532
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:37,480
» Despite a quorum we are adjourned

1533
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:37,480
for lack of a quorum. Thank you all.