[0:05] Welcome everyone. Uh, I call the July
[0:08] 8th, 2026 Landmark Preservation Board
[0:11] regular meeting to order.
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[1:57] Member Thomas here.
[2:00] Member Nelson,
[2:04] member Arajalof,
[2:08] uh, member Moser
[2:12] » Here.
[2:13] » Member Si
[2:17] » Here.
[2:19] » In addition, the following city staff
[2:21] are in attendance. Ray Sosa, senior
[2:23] planner, city of both. Christian Gats,
[2:25] community development deputy director.
[2:28] In addition, the following city
[2:29] consultants are attending virtually.
[2:32] Adam also work [snorts]
[2:35] cultural resource associates. Penelopey
[2:38] Kotrell Crawford will cultural resource
[2:41] associates.
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[4:00] The minutes for the June 22nd, 2026
[4:04] special meeting or included in your
[4:06] packets for review. Would a board member
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[4:12] » A point of clarification for the for the
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[4:21] » Yes. Until the next meeting.
[4:22] » Thank you.
[4:35] » Old business. There is no old business.
[4:40] Uh the first item of new business this
[4:43] evening is a city of both staff briefing
[4:44] on the downtown sub area plan update. I
[4:47] would like to introduce Cameron Kovven,
[4:50] senior planner, city of both community
[4:52] development who will give a briefing on
[4:55] the downtown sub area plan update.
[5:00] Cameron,
[5:02] thank you very much. Um I will get the
[5:04] presentation pulled up here.
[5:14] All right. Um, so as mentioned, my name
[5:16] is Cameron Culvin. I'm a senior long
[5:19] range planner in the community
[5:20] development department. Um, I know it's
[5:23] been a little while since you all have
[5:26] received an update on this particular
[5:28] project. Um, which has some significant
[5:32] overlaps with the work of this board.
[5:35] Um, there was a fair amount of
[5:38] information included in your packet. So,
[5:41] I will try to summarize most of the key
[5:44] takeaways from the existing conditions
[5:47] inventory that we did as well as provide
[5:50] a couple of updates on our community
[5:52] engagement work and what we've been
[5:54] hearing from the community.
[5:56] um and then talk with you all about the
[6:00] specific elements of the plan that have
[6:03] a lot of overlap with your work and then
[6:06] uh go through next steps.
[6:09] Um so just as a quick general uh project
[6:13] status update, we are planning uh
[6:18] preparing to release the initial draft
[6:20] of the plan which will include the
[6:23] existing conditions inventory that was
[6:26] included in your packet as well as an
[6:29] initial draft uh of recommendations
[6:34] uh and strategies and actions for each
[6:36] of the topic the seven topic areas. uh
[6:39] included in the plan.
[6:44] And
[6:47] so in terms of community engagement for
[6:51] this project, um one of our initial
[6:54] steps was recruiting community members
[6:56] to serve on the downtown ambassador
[6:58] group. And so essentially this is the
[7:02] project steering committee which is made
[7:04] up of 24 community members. We did a
[7:07] broad um casting for applications for
[7:10] this group um and ensured that we had a
[7:14] broad representation of perspectives
[7:16] based on um people's backgrounds and and
[7:20] lived experiences.
[7:21] And so we'll be meeting with this group
[7:24] four times over the course of the
[7:26] project. Thus far we've had three
[7:28] meetings with them and we'll be holding
[7:30] the fourth in August. Um and their main
[7:34] role has been to provide a bit more
[7:36] detailed ongoing input on plan elements
[7:40] as well as to help um city staff engage
[7:43] the broader community and inform our
[7:45] engagement approach.
[7:51] In addition to that, um we hosted a
[7:53] couple of in-person um public walking
[7:56] tours of downtown where we um went to
[8:01] different areas of downtown that have
[8:03] either had recent improvements or have
[8:06] planned improvements uh on the near
[8:09] horizon. Um the one we hosted in
[8:12] February had about 15 participants and
[8:14] the one in March had about 35
[8:16] participants in total. Um and then the
[8:20] past two weeks we also hosted walking
[8:22] tours with um members of city council as
[8:26] well to run through the same route um
[8:28] and share kind of what we've been
[8:30] hearing from the community thus far.
[8:37] And then just in addition to that, we
[8:40] have also been attending various
[8:42] community events um throughout the year
[8:44] uh to also raise awareness about the
[8:46] plan and have had engagement materials
[8:49] at those events to solicit additional
[8:52] input. Um and so we'll be summarizing uh
[8:56] everything that we has been heard um
[8:59] which will be included as a attachment
[9:01] to the final uh downtown sub area plan
[9:04] with more details.
[9:10] So, moving on, I will run through some
[9:13] of the major takeaways uh and provide a
[9:16] little bit more background information
[9:18] about um downtown.
[9:21] So, looking at just population growth um
[9:25] within downtown itself, um as of 2023,
[9:29] there are about 4,800 people living
[9:31] downtown. And as part of our comp plan
[9:35] projections and growth targets, we're
[9:37] anticipating that number to nearly
[9:39] double over the next 20 years. Um,
[9:44] related to that, we have specific
[9:47] housing and job growth targets. So, in
[9:50] order to support that population and
[9:53] economic growth, we're anticipating um
[9:56] just short of 2,000 new housing units
[9:58] within downtown and about 2,000 new
[10:01] jobs.
[10:02] And one thing I'll mention um for the
[10:06] board's awareness is that the city has
[10:10] um submitted downtown to be considered
[10:13] as a King Countywide growth center. Um
[10:17] and so the main benefit of that is it
[10:19] does um make us more competitive for
[10:23] various uh funding that's available for
[10:25] infrastructure improvements. Um and the
[10:29] update we've received thus far is that
[10:31] uh King County staff are recommending
[10:33] approval of that. Um and their board
[10:37] will take action on that decision in
[10:39] September.
[10:47] And then uh when we looked at
[10:50] demographic information for those living
[10:52] in downtown versus citywide, the major
[10:56] differences that we saw were
[10:58] particularly related to age distribution
[11:01] and household incomes. Um so a lot of
[11:05] the households uh living within downtown
[11:08] are young professionals between the age
[11:11] of 20 and 40. you'll see um both of
[11:14] those are quite a bit higher than
[11:17] city-wide averages.
[11:19] Um and then similarly, we see that
[11:23] overall house downtown households tend
[11:26] to earn less um than those citywide. So
[11:31] if you look at the chart on the right,
[11:33] um in particular, one of the biggest
[11:36] gaps is households earning over 200k.
[11:40] Um, but there's also a higher percentage
[11:43] of people living downtown uh of
[11:46] households that earn less than 75K as
[11:50] well. Uh, so this may reflect people
[11:52] that are uh earlier in their careers as
[11:55] well as the um smaller household size
[11:59] within downtown since it is a majority
[12:02] one and twobedroom um units within
[12:05] downtown.
[12:11] So overall in terms of land use and
[12:13] development um you know we're seeing a
[12:16] lot of growth that's expanding beyond
[12:18] the core um past both way as well as
[12:22] along 104.
[12:24] Um
[12:26] the main feedback that we've heard from
[12:28] residents is there is some concern about
[12:30] the scale of recent growth and the stark
[12:33] contrast that exists between some of the
[12:35] newer mixeduse developments and our
[12:38] historic main street. And so really
[12:40] looking at ways we can better blend
[12:43] those two experiences downtown.
[12:46] And then um we'll talk a little bit on
[12:48] some following slides that there are a
[12:51] select number of key re redevelopment
[12:53] sites that are remaining. That was a
[12:56] large impetus for a lot of the
[12:58] redevelopment that occurred over the
[13:00] past 15 years. And so looking forward um
[13:04] we've made an effort to identify those
[13:06] remaining uh redevelopment opportunities
[13:08] as well.
[13:12] um in relation to
[13:14] uh what I mentioned about the
[13:16] differences in uh scale of some of the
[13:20] newer mixeduse buildings and what we
[13:22] typically see along uh the historic main
[13:25] street. Um, we've also identified uh
[13:29] some discrepancies between our existing
[13:32] height limits within the downtown
[13:34] transition area and lower Maidwood
[13:37] Maywood um as part of the comp plan
[13:40] updates last year. The height limit for
[13:43] that zoning district um was increased to
[13:46] 55 ft whereas our existing downtown
[13:50] transition zones are limited to 35 ft.
[13:53] So um as part of the code updates look
[13:56] next year we'll be looking at how we can
[13:59] better um rectify that.
[14:06] Um so on your screen I have a map of the
[14:11] uh residential and mixeduse developments
[14:14] that have occurred since 2009 that are
[14:17] highlighted in brown.
[14:20] And then as I mentioned the uh kind of
[14:24] identified potential remaining
[14:26] opportunity sites are highlighted in
[14:29] pink. The two largest ones uh or most
[14:33] prominent ones being the remaining
[14:35] parcels outside of city hall and the
[14:38] parcels at Triangle Junction which are
[14:40] both undergoing environmental cleanup.
[14:42] And so once that remediation is
[14:45] complete, um there'll be opportunities
[14:48] on those sites um
[14:51] for redevelopment.
[14:55] And so as part of this project, um we
[14:58] have hired a urban design consultant to
[15:01] help us look at a couple of those key
[15:03] opportunity sites in a little more
[15:05] detail and start exploring um what
[15:08] future redevelopment could look like. um
[15:11] particularly based on the elements that
[15:16] um community members have expressed um
[15:19] that they would like to see more of
[15:20] downtown.
[15:27] In terms of housing affordability, um
[15:30] we've seen a lot of housing growth in
[15:32] downtown over the past um 15 years. And
[15:36] as I mentioned, that growth is projected
[15:38] to keep growing over the next 20 years.
[15:42] Um,
[15:43] a large part of this new development has
[15:46] been uh apartment complexes, uh,
[15:49] particularly one to two-bedroom units.
[15:52] Um, and one interesting fact that we
[15:55] found is that 45% of the existing
[15:58] housing stock now was built between 2010
[16:02] and 2019. So, a lot of new development
[16:05] that's occurred recently.
[16:07] And then on the right there, I just have
[16:09] a chart uh breaking down the existing
[16:11] housing types within downtown. And
[16:14] you'll see about 2/3 uh are apartments,
[16:18] 18% single family, and so forth.
[16:26] And then one of the things we looked at
[16:28] was um the rough affordability of
[16:33] renting downtown versus ownership
[16:36] downtown over that same time period from
[16:39] 2013 to 2024. Um, so what we did was
[16:44] compared the median household incomes
[16:46] for each year and compared that with
[16:49] median rents and median mortgage rates.
[16:53] Um, and so that's what that graph on the
[16:55] left hand side is showing. And you'll
[16:57] see that renting in general has been uh
[17:00] much more affordable than ownership
[17:03] options downtown over that period with
[17:06] just a brief portion um around COVID
[17:08] time crossing that 30% threshold. Um and
[17:14] then you'll notice in the figures on the
[17:16] right that they're uh due to the lower
[17:19] household incomes downtown, we also see
[17:21] a higher percentage of renters and
[17:24] homeowners that are cost burdened. So
[17:26] those spending over 30% of their incomes
[17:30] on housing and then uh a high percentage
[17:34] as well are also severely burdened which
[17:36] means that they're spending over 50% of
[17:39] income on housing.
[17:48] And then for downtown specifically, we
[17:50] do have a number of overlays that have
[17:53] um required affordable um that require
[17:57] affordable housing units um within those
[18:00] areas.
[18:01] Um the chart on the right there is our
[18:05] we have specific housing targets based
[18:08] on income bands. So, out of that um
[18:13] 2,000 roughly new housing units that I
[18:16] mentioned over the next 20 years, we're
[18:19] aiming uh to make sure that serves the
[18:23] various um income brackets accordingly.
[18:26] Um so, one of the our main challenges is
[18:29] that our existing affordable uh housing
[18:32] overlays have resulted in some new
[18:34] affordable units. Um, but it's a
[18:36] relatively small percentage that will
[18:40] increase as we see lot P South come
[18:42] online. Um, and the SAM senior
[18:46] apartments are also affordable units
[18:48] that just recently came online. Um, and
[18:52] then in addition to that, uh, we're
[18:53] currently looking at potential revisions
[18:56] to our MFT program and some of the other
[18:58] voluntary incentives um to because those
[19:02] have not been as utilized as we would
[19:04] like.
[19:05] » [snorts]
[19:05] » Um
[19:07] and so meeting our housing targets
[19:10] particularly for those low and very low
[19:12] income bands are really going to take um
[19:15] a lot of effort uh across the board to
[19:18] make happen.
[19:22] looking at uh e economic development as
[19:25] I mentioned um we've seen similar growth
[19:28] in jobs uh and we're projecting about
[19:31] 2,000 more over the next 20 years when
[19:35] we looked at the top sectors based on
[19:39] the number of businesses amount of
[19:42] employees and total sales revenue. um we
[19:45] see that uh downtown has a high
[19:48] concentration of health care services
[19:51] and so that came out on top in all three
[19:53] of those categories. In terms of number
[19:56] of businesses, um the other top
[19:59] categories were professional services,
[20:02] retail and restaurants. The highest
[20:04] number of employees were restaurants,
[20:06] education and government reflecting the
[20:09] high number of uh campus and city uh and
[20:13] other government employees.
[20:15] And then in terms of sale, revenue,
[20:18] retail, uh construction, restaurants and
[20:20] finance followed healthcare.
[20:25] And so downtown is a growing employment
[20:27] and business center. Um typically in
[20:31] terms of foot traffic and activity, we
[20:33] see that it's highest during the day and
[20:35] on weekends. Um so looking at
[20:37] opportunities uh for additional there's
[20:41] a lot of public interest in additional
[20:43] retail entertainment options and dining
[20:46] uh to kind of expand that into the
[20:48] evenings as well.
[20:50] And then um there are some prominent
[20:53] vacancies particularly at the end of
[20:56] Main Street um near Triangle Junction
[20:58] that remain and so working on um once
[21:02] redevelopment of Triangle Junction comes
[21:04] through hoping to fill those as well.
[21:09] And then some of the feedback we heard
[21:10] from local businesses is that they do
[21:12] face challenges related to rising costs,
[21:15] permitting, um, parking availability as
[21:19] well as variable foot traffic.
[21:25] Transportation wise, um, some of the
[21:28] previous investments that the city made
[21:30] had major impacts on downtown and really
[21:33] helped support the redevelopment that
[21:35] occurred over the past 15 years. There
[21:38] are a number of major corridor
[21:41] improvements that are on the horizon,
[21:43] including uh improvements to both way
[21:46] north of uh Reader. [snorts]
[21:50] There's also planned improvements to
[21:52] 102nd, including replacement of the
[21:55] 102nd Avenue Bridge, as well as um
[21:59] widening of that road to accommodate an
[22:03] extension of a shared use path. and then
[22:06] as well along Beardsley Boulevard to
[22:09] help accommodate uh planned BRT routes
[22:11] as well as to create some protected bike
[22:14] facilities along that route.
[22:19] And related to that, the uh upcoming BRT
[22:23] routes are going to have a major impact.
[22:26] Both the um sound transit and community
[22:30] transit lines will be serving um
[22:33] downtown both east to west as well as
[22:36] north south connections
[22:38] um which will help improve some of those
[22:40] connections uh to surrounding regions
[22:43] and destinations.
[22:46] And then one of the most common concerns
[22:48] we heard from residents was uh primarily
[22:51] focused around parking availability
[22:53] downtown. Um, an interesting stat from
[22:57] our economic vitality plan was that uh
[23:01] 10% of visitors downtown live within one
[23:05] mile. So, it's a relatively small
[23:07] percentage while uh roughly half travel
[23:10] for more than 5 miles. So, there is a
[23:14] need to accommodate those visitors. Um,
[23:17] but there we've also heard from
[23:19] residents that they really want to
[23:21] retain the walkability of downtown. So
[23:24] looking at how we balance those two
[23:26] things and and make it accessible to
[23:27] all.
[23:30] And then the other thing we've heard is
[23:31] there's a need for better uh just
[23:34] clearer information and wayfinding about
[23:37] um both parking availability but also um
[23:41] directions to different major facilities
[23:44] um the trails uh and other networks
[23:47] downtown.
[23:51] Um, in terms of parks and open space,
[23:54] uh, downtown has a large concentration
[23:56] of parks and open space. Uh, there's
[23:59] about 74 acres in total. Um, which
[24:02] exceeds the citywide level of service,
[24:06] which is about 3.5 acres per thousand
[24:09] residents, whereas downtown is about 14.
[24:12] Um
[24:14] the one thing to note there is that
[24:16] obviously the downtown uh parks and open
[24:19] spaces serve a much broader audience
[24:21] than just those living within the
[24:23] downtown um sub area itself.
[24:27] And [snorts]
[24:28] uh as part of the pros plan updates,
[24:32] they also conducted an updated walkshed
[24:34] analysis. And we found as part of that
[24:37] that a majority of downtown highlighted
[24:40] in that blue color on the map on your
[24:42] screen is within a 10-minute walking
[24:45] distance of uh some sort of park or open
[24:48] space downtown.
[24:53] And uh one other thing I'll highlight
[24:56] here is that our existing downtown code
[24:59] um does require public open space uh as
[25:03] part of private developments. So,
[25:05] they're privately owned public spaces.
[25:08] An example of which being um the patio
[25:11] on the screen at the Pops apartments.
[25:14] There's a couple of other examples
[25:16] throughout downtown. Um and while this
[25:19] has led to new open space kind of
[25:22] distributed throughout the downtown,
[25:24] there's not a large awareness that these
[25:26] areas are open to the public. And so,
[25:30] um, as part of our efforts moving
[25:32] forward, looking at how we can better
[25:34] encourage, uh, people to utilize these
[25:37] and maybe support, uh, different types
[25:39] of programming as well throughout
[25:42] downtown.
[25:45] And then we do have a section of the
[25:47] plan specifically focused on arts,
[25:49] culture, and historic places. Um, which
[25:52] is primarily where we would, uh, like
[25:54] some feedback from this board. Um some
[25:58] of the major themes that we've heard
[26:00] from community members is that they
[26:03] really value um the existing arts
[26:06] culture and uh historic places that
[26:10] contribute to downtown's identity and
[26:12] sense of place um
[26:15] that and there's interest in expanding
[26:18] those um as we move forward to to
[26:22] increase that. Um, some of the
[26:24] additional things we've heard is that
[26:26] some of the existing regulations for
[26:28] downtown do create challenges for
[26:30] expanding art and cultural programming.
[26:33] Um, one of the examples being uh the
[26:37] expansion of murals like the example on
[26:39] the screen. Um, right now there's not a
[26:43] super clear process for design review uh
[26:46] or allowances for those types of
[26:48] installations. And so really looking at
[26:50] how we potentially streamline that and
[26:52] encourage more business owners
[26:55] particularly on u empty uh building
[27:00] spaces or um vacant frontages to to
[27:04] activate those spaces.
[27:09] And then finally, uh, natural resources
[27:11] and sustainability.
[27:13] Um,
[27:15] in relation to the, uh, large
[27:18] concentration of natural assets
[27:20] downtown,
[27:22] um, we know that projected growth will
[27:25] increase pressure on those systems. And
[27:28] so really looking forward as part of the
[27:31] plan, how we expand existing restoration
[27:34] efforts and integrate green building and
[27:37] design techniques. uh as redevelopment
[27:40] moves forward.
[27:43] So, a couple of items I wanted to just
[27:45] call out for this board specifically
[27:48] um of relevance is that downtown has the
[27:52] highest concentration of historic
[27:54] resources in both. Um, we have the
[27:58] special review area that's highlighted
[28:01] in that green outline that has uh
[28:04] specific uh historic resource uh
[28:08] regulations and architectural
[28:09] requirements.
[28:11] Um, we had an inventory of properties
[28:17] within that area in 2019 that was
[28:20] completed. um and we'll be building upon
[28:23] that as part of the citywide inventory
[28:26] um that you'll get a presentation on
[28:28] tonight. And then also an opportunity um
[28:33] to really highlight that history as part
[28:35] of future arts, cultural and historic
[28:38] programming.
[28:42] Um so some of the things that have come
[28:44] up related to the existing special
[28:47] review area is opportunities to clarify
[28:50] um the guidelines versus requirements
[28:52] within there and making it a bit um
[28:56] leaning more on the requirement side to
[28:58] make it more of a uh uh
[29:03] more predictable uh
[29:07] process for developers. Um and then
[29:11] process to improve the consistency
[29:14] between that particular section and our
[29:17] wider historic preservation standards in
[29:19] title 22. Um as well as to clarify some
[29:23] of the distinctions between different
[29:26] types of development within this area
[29:29] between new development versus whether
[29:31] it's infill or restoration or small
[29:34] remodels.
[29:37] And then, as I mentioned, there was the
[29:40] 2019 inventory study, um, feasibility
[29:43] study that was done to look at the
[29:46] potential for a historic district within
[29:49] downtown rather than individually
[29:52] designated properties. And so, um, just
[29:55] a quick synop synopsis of the findings
[29:58] from that were that, uh, a historic
[30:01] district could potentially, uh, be
[30:03] established between both way and 104th
[30:06] Avenue. when they looked at the
[30:10] eligibility of the properties within
[30:13] that um special review area, there's 24
[30:17] individually eligible properties and
[30:19] about 34
[30:21] um that could be considered contributing
[30:24] properties for a historic district. Um
[30:29] I'm not sure how much of this has been
[30:31] talked through with this board
[30:33] previously. Um, but the potential
[30:38] benefits from my understanding are that
[30:40] it does relax some of that eligibility
[30:43] criteria when you do pursue a historic
[30:46] district rather than individually
[30:48] designated sites. Um, and does open up
[30:51] available funding to help support upkeep
[30:53] and re rehabilitation of some of those
[30:56] more historic structures.
[31:02] And then finally, as mentioned, um we
[31:04] have several existing um art
[31:07] installations that really highlight
[31:09] both's history. And so looking at
[31:11] opportunities moving forward um to
[31:14] expand that um throughout throughout
[31:18] downtown.
[31:21] And so I know that was a lot of content.
[31:24] So I'll stop there just if there are any
[31:28] particular questions or comments on some
[31:32] of the material I just covered. Um
[31:35] before talking about kind of next steps.
[31:42] Uh Ray Thomas, uh my question would be
[31:45] uh you in referring to affordability,
[31:49] you um mentioned the
[31:52] » It won't let me raise my hand.
[31:58] Well,
[32:02] » Um
[32:04] the you mentioned the efforts that that
[32:07] be might be required to meet some of
[32:10] those targets and I was wondering what
[32:13] kind of efforts
[32:15] you know might be conceived of or
[32:18] considered there. Um
[32:21] Ray, do you want to jump in at all?
[32:24] Yeah.
[32:30] Yes, I can speak a little more to that
[32:32] as the project manager for the housing
[32:34] action plan. Um, and so several efforts
[32:37] are being taken to work on affordable
[32:39] housing. As Cameron mentioned, we have a
[32:41] LAP project which we worked with ARCH
[32:43] who is our um main affordable housing
[32:46] provider for East King County. We lined
[32:48] up several state and nonprofit grants to
[32:50] make that project feasible. um seeing
[32:53] that um that those units are
[32:55] significantly below market rate. Also,
[32:57] our multif family tax exemption program
[32:59] is a tax exempt program that helps
[33:02] developers um build multif family units
[33:05] um in exchange for providing deeply
[33:07] affordable units. And lastly is our
[33:10] zoning code. So, we have a few mandatory
[33:13] overlays in that um in the map as you
[33:15] can see there. But we also expanded our
[33:18] code to allow for voluntary affordable
[33:21] um housing creation. So developers can
[33:24] voluntarily choose to opt in and in
[33:27] exchange receive um increased density or
[33:29] increased height depending on where they
[33:30] choose. So it's a multi-pronged approach
[33:32] to addressing the um affordable housing
[33:36] shortage that we're hoping will provide
[33:38] will help us create the units that we
[33:40] need for the next 20 years.
[33:44] And uh just for reference, the voluntary
[33:49] um incentives and height increases, uh
[33:52] the diagram on the left shows uh those
[33:55] for each of the respective zoning
[33:58] districts downtown there.
[34:02] » Uh Vicki, do you have a question or
[34:11] » Can you hear me? Yes, [clears throat] we
[34:13] can.
[34:16] » Oh, good. I'm sorry. I'm I have a very
[34:20] strange uh internet and it's very slow.
[34:23] So, a lot of the meeting froze on me and
[34:26] then it dropped me. So, I'm back in for
[34:27] the moment. Um
[34:30] two two items. [clears throat] One is
[34:33] you're you're looking at the the
[34:35] heights.
[34:36] Um there I hope it's still in the record
[34:40] because it's almost 20 years ago we
[34:42] reviewed Heights downtown.
[34:46] And
[34:48] the other item is when you were
[34:50] discussing the historic district that
[34:52] has actually been in the landmark
[34:54] board's agenda and discussions
[34:58] since 1994.
[35:00] And
[35:03] while we would love to see that and
[35:06] would love to have our
[35:10] um title 22
[35:13] amanable to that
[35:16] we have had push back on a number of
[35:20] fronts
[35:21] uh related to property owners related to
[35:24] well that's been in particular um
[35:27] related to the city council and related
[35:30] to um local developers. Um it it's been
[35:36] on three fronts. So if we can move past
[35:40] some of those that would be amazing and
[35:44] I would really love to be in on the
[35:46] discussions for that because we have had
[35:49] this
[35:51] uh as something that the landmark board
[35:54] has wanted to be behind for a very long
[35:58] time. That puts it at about 32 years. Um
[36:04] I mean otherwise I I really appreciate
[36:08] the work that's been done on this and
[36:11] bringing it forward in this way with
[36:15] community input. I've been part of the
[36:18] groups who have done this community
[36:19] input too and
[36:24] it's
[36:26] I I would really like to see how we can
[36:30] involve this in our title 22 and making
[36:33] our title 22 a little more flexible to
[36:36] facilitate it and but at the same time
[36:40] I'm not talking about facilitating
[36:47] multiple increased heights that just
[36:50] essentially dissolve our downtown. We
[36:53] have four blocks here
[36:56] that are some of the re main reasons
[36:59] people want to live in both. They like
[37:02] having a historic downtown.
[37:09] That's it for the moment. Ray, thanks.
[37:12] » Thank you, Vicki. Um, I just wanted to
[37:14] follow up in terms of uh has has there
[37:18] been outreach to property owners um
[37:24] in the area to facilitate
[37:27] low-income housing and um and even
[37:31] parking uh facilities. Um I'm I'm
[37:34] thinking specifically of my church which
[37:36] is Both First Lutheran. We don't have a
[37:38] huge parking lot compared to some
[37:40] churches, but it's substantial. And I
[37:43] don't know, you know, we would need a
[37:46] lot of help. We couldn't probably raise
[37:48] funds like the uh the Methodist church
[37:51] did to uh initiate their project uh
[37:56] ideas, but um we do have the space
[37:59] there. And I think the property uh um
[38:05] committee um has talked about um a
[38:11] parking garage. Um I've talked with some
[38:13] of them about a parking garage with
[38:15] housing, affordable housing or human
[38:18] services. I think we downtown human
[38:21] services will be online pretty well when
[38:25] um uh when the urban project gets
[38:28] completed. But um that is a resource I I
[38:32] think the city should consider that um
[38:36] churches are are you know facing a lot
[38:39] of change but they're also open to a lot
[38:42] of change. So I think there's again
[38:45] sometimes it's timing. Uh you speak to
[38:47] the right people at the right time so
[38:49] that it's heard. But um I I just put
[38:52] that in your tickler file at least.
[38:58] » Yeah. Thank you very much both of you.
[38:59] Um that was really helpful context. um
[39:02] Vicki and then yeah, to my knowledge, um
[39:07] there hasn't been that level of outreach
[39:10] to surrounding property owners, but I'm
[39:12] sure council would be interested if
[39:14] there are additional opportunities
[39:16] downtown for um either similar projects
[39:19] to lot P or um you know, other types. Uh
[39:24] so that's definitely something we can
[39:26] look into.
[39:32] I'm not seeing any other hands raised.
[39:35] Um,
[39:37] I would just say thank you very much. I
[39:40] was very pleased. Uh some of you may
[39:42] know I wasn't very happy at the meeting
[39:44] last night at city council with the um
[39:48] uh lack of mention either by the arts um
[39:54] commission um or in uh some of the
[39:59] planning as where uh
[40:04] historic preservation, historic cultural
[40:07] recognition
[40:08] uh fits in. I think um you documented
[40:14] the desire for that at least here. I I
[40:17] don't know how deep that runs and what
[40:19] the council's commitment to it will be,
[40:21] but um I appreciate seeing it noted
[40:24] here. Thank you.
[40:29] » Um if there's no other questions, I did
[40:32] just want to briefly mention um kind of
[40:35] next steps on this project. Um so as
[40:38] mentioned we will be releasing uh the
[40:40] full draft including existing conditions
[40:43] and recommendations within the next
[40:45] couple of weeks. Um, and then I'd like
[40:48] to invite everyone. Um, we'll be hosting
[40:52] a public open house on Wednesday, July
[40:55] 22nd here in council chambers. Um, where
[40:59] people will have an opportunity to learn
[41:01] more about um, what we've heard from the
[41:03] community, the draft recommendations,
[41:06] and be able to provide more input um, if
[41:09] we've missed anything. Um
[41:14] and then uh the goal being after that
[41:17] would be to take all feedback uh that we
[41:20] hear over the summer, work that into
[41:22] revising the plan, and then that will
[41:24] come back um to the board's plan
[41:27] commission and city council for final
[41:29] review and approval later this year.
[41:38] » Thank you. I've had that public meeting
[41:40] on uh my calendar for some weeks. So,
[41:44] thank you again for mentioning it. I
[41:46] think it's important people be there and
[41:49] go over those things, ask questions, and
[41:52] uh be prepared to bring comments to the
[41:56] planning commission or planning
[41:58] department and the planning commission
[42:00] and the council.
[42:05] Are there any other questions or
[42:07] concerns?
[42:16] Well, thank you again for the
[42:17] presentation. Um,
[42:30] I would like to introduce um Chris Anne
[42:33] Beckner and Lauren Waldrup with
[42:38] historical research associates
[42:40] incorporated who will give a briefing on
[42:42] the both survey update.
[42:45] Hello.
[42:46] » Hi, thank you so much. Thank you for
[42:48] having us this evening. Um, I'm really
[42:50] glad we got to hear that presentation.
[42:52] Thank you so much for having us here for
[42:54] that.
[42:55] Um, I am Chris Anne. I'm an
[42:57] architectural historian with Historical
[42:59] Research Associates. And as you
[43:01] mentioned, my colleague Lauren Waldrup
[43:03] is here as well. And we just wanted to
[43:06] take the opportunity to introduce you to
[43:08] historical research associates and to
[43:10] ourselves and to the both city survey.
[43:13] Um, we have a quick slide presentation,
[43:16] but please let us know if you have
[43:17] questions as we run through these.
[43:21] Make sure that I can share this.
[43:28] Can everybody see the presentation?
[43:30] » Yes.
[43:32] » Very good. Thank you.
[43:35] All right. So, we are from Historical
[43:37] Research Associates. We are a cultural
[43:39] resources management firm. We are your
[43:41] new cultural resources management firm
[43:43] and we're going to be joining
[43:46] the city of both in some survey and
[43:48] inventory. Um we just heard a lot about
[43:50] your downtown and the survey that was
[43:51] done there. It'll be interesting to look
[43:53] at other parts of both and add to the
[43:55] data that you already have.
[44:00] So a little bit about HR. Um, we like to
[44:03] think we make the past accessible
[44:05] through the collaborative,
[44:07] equitable,
[44:09] and principled practice of cultural
[44:11] resources management. We also in do a
[44:14] lot of history projects and provide a
[44:15] lot of effective solutions for our
[44:17] clients in our communities. Um, HR has
[44:20] been around since 1974 and you can see
[44:22] all those little icons. We are primarily
[44:24] in the Northwest, but we do have
[44:25] satellite offices throughout the
[44:27] country. Uh we are currently a
[44:28] woman-owned small business and we
[44:30] provide consulting services in CRM,
[44:33] litigation support, historical research,
[44:35] interpretive services and we have a new
[44:37] program we call AIRS the aerial imagery
[44:39] and remote sensing services program.
[44:43] We are really proud we have a a
[44:44] reputation for excellence and we have
[44:46] expertise in our fields and we really
[44:48] love when we get to provide historical
[44:50] architectural and archaeological studies
[44:52] to clients. Um, a lot of our clients are
[44:54] in the private, local, state, and
[44:56] federal uh, regulatory nexuses,
[44:59] contexts, but we also work with leaders
[45:02] in transportation, education, energy,
[45:04] and public and private development.
[45:08] Uh, just a quick rundown of the services
[45:10] we provide. The cultural resources
[45:12] management division, that's me and
[45:13] Lauren and a lot of other people. Uh we
[45:15] do architectural studies, archaeological
[45:17] studies and that usually is in the
[45:19] support of um projects that are being
[45:21] reviewed under federal regulations,
[45:23] sometimes state and local regulations as
[45:24] well. The aerial imagery and remote
[45:27] sensing services. They are our cutting
[45:30] edge technology team and they're using
[45:32] everything from magnetic radiometry, um
[45:36] LAR, photoggramometry in the air through
[45:39] the use of drones to get a better
[45:40] understanding of what's above ground,
[45:42] below ground from all viewpoints.
[45:46] We also do litigation support. We work a
[45:48] lot with um cases and we do a lot of the
[45:51] research that supports litigation. So
[45:54] our histories delve into detailed
[45:55] historical investigations and we supply
[45:57] clients with accurate and contextrich
[46:00] information for a variety of needs from
[46:02] academic research to public history
[46:04] projects. We also do public history that
[46:06] is sort of our interpretive specialist
[46:08] arm. Um, so we provide inform
[46:10] informative histories outside the
[46:12] traditional classroom setting and we
[46:14] like to help our clients really tell
[46:16] their stories creatively. So that's sort
[46:18] of what our public history arm does.
[46:22] And then for the both city survey, I
[46:24] just wanted to share with you our team a
[46:26] little bit about who we are and who
[46:27] supports us. Um, your primary contracts
[46:30] will be myself, Chrisanne Beckner, and
[46:32] my colleague Lauren, who's also on this
[46:33] call. Um, we both have master's degrees
[46:36] in architectural history. mine from the
[46:38] University of Oregon in 2009 and
[46:41] Laurens's from the University of Georgia
[46:43] in 2017. We're both SOI qualified. Um I
[46:47] manage H's architectural history program
[46:49] across all of our offices and Lauren has
[46:51] been working in our Seattle office with
[46:52] us since 2020.
[46:55] Just briefly, we have a lot of people
[46:57] who are supporting us in many
[46:58] administrative ways. A few of them
[47:00] that'll be working with us on this
[47:01] project are listed here below. We have
[47:04] Jen Getart who's our logistics
[47:05] coordinator. She helps get us get get us
[47:07] into the field. Uh we have Jen Gilpin
[47:09] who who is our health and safety manager
[47:12] and she makes sure that we are always
[47:13] safe in the field. We have a health and
[47:15] safety plan for every one of our
[47:17] projects. We have Gabe Frasier who is
[47:19] our GIS coordinator and he also works
[47:22] really closely with Lauren, one of our
[47:24] GIS experts, our mapping experts. So
[47:27] she's really a fantastic asset on this
[47:29] project. And then Don Vogel is our
[47:32] editor and publications coordinator.
[47:34] Everything that we do at H goes through
[47:36] an intensive tech review process,
[47:39] editing, production support, etc. to
[47:41] make sure you get deliverables that are
[47:43] accurate and complete and perfect.
[47:49] A little more about us. Um, again, I'm
[47:51] Chris. I joined H in 2013. Um, I
[47:55] specialize in program and project
[47:56] management, architectural and survey and
[47:59] inventory, which I've been doing for a
[48:00] long time, and then cultural resources
[48:02] reporting generally under local, state,
[48:04] and federal regulations. I prepare
[48:07] survey and inventory reports, historic
[48:09] property inventory forms and wizard,
[48:11] nominations to local, state, and
[48:13] national registers of historic places,
[48:15] multiple property documents, HABs hair
[48:18] documentation, historic contexts,
[48:20] historic landscape reports, mitigation
[48:22] documentation. Basically, any of the
[48:23] ways that we interact with the built
[48:25] environment, we do the reporting for.
[48:27] Um, as I mentioned, Lauren joined us in
[48:29] 2020, and I'd like to give her a minute
[48:30] to introduce herself. If we can unmute
[48:33] her.
[48:36] » Yeah, I was I can do that. Um, my name
[48:39] is Lauren Waldrup and I moved up to the
[48:42] Pacific Northwest in 2020 and I started
[48:44] working with HA and um, since then I've
[48:49] been able to do work in several states
[48:51] in the Pacific Northwest. Um, but I
[48:54] generally specialize in architectural
[48:56] survey and inventory field and archival
[48:59] research. um mapping requests usually
[49:03] actually I was taking pictures of the
[49:05] his potential historic districts maps
[49:07] earlier um and cultural resources
[49:11] reporting um and I think that yeah that
[49:16] kind of covers it.
[49:18] » Thank you Lauren. So uh Lauren and I
[49:20] work really closely together. We've been
[49:21] a team on multiple projects. I have
[49:23] literally evaluated thousands of
[49:25] resources in Washington. Um I think
[49:27] Lauren's closing in on that as well.
[49:29] We're going to be your two contacts.
[49:31] We're going to be the people working
[49:32] most closely on this project. Um because
[49:34] Lauren is so great at GIS, we're going
[49:36] to have excellent maps along with really
[49:38] well done um reporting on all of our
[49:40] survey results.
[49:45] Okay. Are you seeing the presentation,
[49:48] may I ask, or are you seeing Lauren?
[49:50] » We're seeing the presentation.
[49:52] » Okay. Very good. Thank you very much.
[49:54] Okay. Um, so we have had a chance to
[49:57] kick this project off, but we are still
[49:59] just getting started and I did sort of
[50:01] want to give you an idea of what our
[50:03] discussions have been like. Um, so far
[50:05] we've refined the goals for this project
[50:07] in conversation with the city of both
[50:09] and um, the list of them is here. I'll
[50:11] just run through them quickly. We want
[50:14] to identify any inaccurate or outdated
[50:17] wizard data for our survey population.
[50:20] We want to conduct survey and inventory
[50:22] of 100 previously undocumented
[50:25] resources. These will be resources that
[50:26] don't have inventory forms and haven't
[50:28] been part of previous studies.
[50:31] We want to conduct a windshield survey
[50:33] or an integrity check of an additional
[50:35] 100 resources that have already been
[50:37] surveyed. Perhaps they were surveyed in
[50:39] an initial um survey report, but nobody
[50:42] has necessarily taken a look at them in
[50:44] the last little while. We want to make
[50:46] sure that you have up-to-date data
[50:47] regarding those resources. primarily um
[50:50] as it relates to integrity.
[50:52] And then we want to keep you informed.
[50:54] We want to stay in communication with
[50:56] you and with city staff and make sure
[50:57] that we're answering your questions and
[50:59] learning from you while we go on.
[51:02] So the approach that we put together and
[51:03] this was done in conversation. We had a
[51:05] really wonderful kickoff meeting and we
[51:06] sort of discussed what the goals of the
[51:08] survey were and how we could get there.
[51:10] So the these are sort of the approaches
[51:12] that Lauren and I are going to go
[51:14] through. We really want to understand
[51:15] the context for this study. So, we're
[51:18] reviewing past architectural inventories
[51:20] and wizard records and King and Snomish
[51:22] County tax assessor data. We're looking
[51:25] his at historic maps and aerials, local
[51:28] histories, other city of both records.
[51:30] As Lauren mentioned, the material that
[51:32] was being discussed earlier, um the
[51:34] downtown plan, that's going to be
[51:35] something we're going to take a close
[51:37] look at because one of our goals is to
[51:39] understand not just historic resources
[51:41] that haven't received documentation, but
[51:44] how that intersects with sort of the
[51:46] planning pressures that we hear you're
[51:48] facing. We know that development is
[51:49] happening in both. We want to get you
[51:51] good data for areas that maybe haven't
[51:52] been studied as well. So we'll be doing
[51:55] some land use mapping to identify areas
[51:57] of increased development pressure
[51:59] especially those that have minimal
[52:00] documentation for that reconnaissance
[52:02] level survey and inventory we want to do
[52:04] of 100 resources. So just to talk about
[52:07] those two phases that reconnaissance
[52:09] level survey will target 100 previously
[52:11] undocumented resources within those
[52:13] areas facing increased development
[52:15] pressure.
[52:17] within that 100. We also really wanted
[52:19] to give some attention to a number of
[52:21] resources that were identified
[52:22] previously that have really important
[52:24] cultural
[52:26] um associations. Uh there was a study
[52:28] done fairly recently and the data has
[52:29] just been shared with us. So that's
[52:31] going to be at least four of our
[52:32] hundred. We want to take a close look at
[52:34] those and see if they would be eligible
[52:36] for listing at the local, state or
[52:37] national level.
[52:40] For that 100 resource survey, we thought
[52:42] we should focus our attention on those
[52:44] resources that are likely to be eligible
[52:46] for their architectural character. So
[52:48] under National Register criterion C or
[52:50] both landmark designation criteria C, D
[52:52] or E for their architectural
[52:54] significance.
[52:56] For the windshield survey, we want to
[52:58] take a look at additional that that 100
[53:00] previously surveyed resources that
[53:02] require updated surveyed data. And for
[53:05] those we're going to focus on updating
[53:06] inaccurate or outdated data and updating
[53:09] eligibility recommendations based on
[53:11] existing conditions. So giving that
[53:13] integrity check. And part of our goal
[53:15] also is to share this information with
[53:17] the state so that Wizard is updated. We
[53:19] understand that the city of both has an
[53:21] important relationship with Wizard. You
[53:23] need that data be to be accurate. So we
[53:24] want to support you in getting the best
[53:26] data into the state's database. Um the
[53:29] deliverable will be a survey report as
[53:32] well as 200 HPIs. 100 of them will be
[53:35] new. 100 of them will be updates to
[53:37] previously recorded resources.
[53:47] We have roughed in a schedule. Um our
[53:49] period of performance goes until the end
[53:51] of December 2027. So we have about a
[53:53] year and a half for this work. As I
[53:55] mentioned, we had our kickoff meeting at
[53:56] the end of June, and that's where we
[53:58] discuss these goals and the approach
[53:59] with the city of both. Uh we want to
[54:02] keep you updated, as I said. So, we'll
[54:03] be sending monthly uh project reports to
[54:06] the city, and we will be checking in
[54:08] with the Landmark Preservation Board and
[54:10] sharing our results with you pro
[54:12] probably about this time next year.
[54:15] I'm just kind of roughing in our work
[54:16] plan for July and August of this summer.
[54:18] We'll be reviewing all that archival
[54:20] data that we talked about and we want to
[54:22] get to a list of resources for survey.
[54:24] Um it is hard to narrow down to a 100
[54:28] resources of both types. So that's where
[54:30] we're going to be using mass uh mapping
[54:32] and previously prepared reports. For
[54:34] instance, we know we're not going to
[54:35] work in the downtown area because that's
[54:37] already been so well documented. So
[54:38] we're going to look for other areas that
[54:40] have not received the same attention in
[54:41] the past.
[54:43] We think our fieldwork effort will
[54:45] likely take about a week sometime in the
[54:47] August September area depending on how
[54:49] quickly we can get a survey population
[54:51] finalized.
[54:53] And then we'll also be doing some
[54:54] research at the Washington State
[54:56] Archives during that time because as you
[54:58] guys know they have the most amazing
[55:00] photographic collection, historic
[55:01] photographic collection of some some of
[55:03] the buildings in our area.
[55:06] The draft survey report we think will
[55:08] probably be drafted around April 2027
[55:10] and that'll go through city review
[55:11] before it comes to you guys and then
[55:14] hopefully we will have a final survey
[55:17] report and those inventory forms for
[55:19] your review about this time next year.
[55:21] We will probably we probably will do the
[55:23] reporting first and save the inventory
[55:26] forms until they've gone through review
[55:28] since as you guys may know working in
[55:29] Wizard can be challenging. So we want to
[55:31] get them right the first time. Want to
[55:32] get them reviewed perfect and then
[55:34] they'll be moved. migrated into DPS
[55:36] wizard database.
[55:41] And that's just a quick review, a quick
[55:43] introduction. I'd love to answer
[55:44] questions or tell you more if I can.
[55:53] Ray, I have a comment.
[55:56] Of course,
[55:57] » Go ahead, Vicki.
[56:01] » Um, okay. this. First off, yes, this is
[56:05] so great that we're getting the
[56:07] inventory updated. It's been several
[56:09] years and a
[56:13] Oh, goodness. Without the inventory
[56:15] updated, we're behind on a number of
[56:18] things because that's one of our premier
[56:21] mandates for what we do. That said, this
[56:25] is the first time that I recall since 92
[56:29] that the inventory has gone um outside
[56:35] the um the landmark board. We were the
[56:40] ones who literally used our budgets to
[56:42] pay for the inventory and the upgrades.
[56:46] Uh I have participated in doing parts of
[56:49] the inventory as have a number of our
[56:52] staff people. Um, I see some really good
[56:58] things on that, particularly related to
[57:00] using Wizard and and being able to um
[57:04] well, frankly, doing an inventory has
[57:07] been updated and upgraded since
[57:10] uh in leaps and bounds since we were
[57:13] doing literally our paper
[57:15] fill-in-theblank inventories
[57:18] in 92
[57:20] to 94.
[57:23] That said, when you mention that you're
[57:25] not going to come before the landmark
[57:27] board and update us for till next year,
[57:31] um I would really like to to see a
[57:34] review of that because we have been a
[57:37] part of the inventories
[57:40] and it's part of our our uh
[57:45] whole
[57:47] it's it's the basis for a lot of what we
[57:51] do and a lot of the projects that we do
[57:54] over time um
[57:57] waiting till next year for an inventory
[58:00] update is
[58:02] just I I just don't find it tenable for
[58:06] what we do frankly. Now that said, um we
[58:11] know and have had it
[58:14] uh under study on the landmark board for
[58:16] at least 15 years to get a really good
[58:21] survey of our mid-century modern
[58:24] properties.
[58:26] And I didn't hear any word about that at
[58:29] all. We have reviewed and
[58:33] gone through those properties that have
[58:36] been eligible up to about 15 years ago.
[58:41] Um the be Yeah. Because it's about 2015
[58:45] to 2018.
[58:47] Um
[58:49] and then we started realizing that we
[58:52] need to look at those mid-century
[58:54] moderns and we have some uh we've lost a
[58:58] couple. We've lost a couple of public
[59:00] buildings that were um
[59:04] would have been eligible for not just
[59:07] both
[59:08] um
[59:10] landmark list and then there was some
[59:14] that truly would have been eligible for
[59:16] the state and national.
[59:18] We were able to get one on the national.
[59:20] That was that's been incredible.
[59:23] But again, you need to work with us.
[59:27] This is part of what we do. I'm really
[59:31] glad we're getting
[59:33] um
[59:35] getting the list updated by people who
[59:38] really know what they're doing, but at
[59:41] the same time, we're pretty
[59:42] knowledgeable, too. And
[59:47] yeah, that's that's my comment for now
[59:49] on this. This is also
[59:53] the first time that I've heard a
[59:55] complete uh
[59:58] set of what your goals and what your
[1:00:00] intents are and generally I would have
[1:00:03] heard that a fair while ago and we would
[1:00:09] previously
[1:00:11] been involved in those people that we
[1:00:14] hired to do it if we went outside.
[1:00:17] Thank you.
[1:00:25] If I can just respond, Vicki, I'd very
[1:00:27] much like to learn from you and and talk
[1:00:30] with you and pick your brains and
[1:00:32] understand better what work you've done
[1:00:34] and what your priorities are. I didn't
[1:00:35] mean to suggest that would be our only
[1:00:37] opportunity to work with you, just that
[1:00:40] we wanted to target that time frame. Um,
[1:00:44] but we can we can hopefully stay in
[1:00:46] conversation throughout the process.
[1:00:49] Great. We're available.
[1:01:00] I'm going to ask a a
[1:01:06] question. Uh, and I'm not sure whether
[1:01:09] Ry or Adam may be in a better position
[1:01:12] to answer this. Um, but I would like it
[1:01:15] in the record. Um, why are we doing this
[1:01:19] survey?
[1:01:26] » I I can answer. Uh, for staff, uh, the
[1:01:30] the survey update has been on on the
[1:01:33] list of of items to be completed for for
[1:01:36] a while. This was part of a budget
[1:01:38] request that staff put into council as
[1:01:41] part of the current bienium. Um, council
[1:01:45] approved that. That was the that was the
[1:01:48] only additional that was the only budget
[1:01:50] item for community development that was
[1:01:52] approved for the 20 2526 bienium budget.
[1:01:57] Um, and it's it has been on the work
[1:02:00] plan since I started a couple years ago
[1:02:03] to make sure that it is completed. Um,
[1:02:06] so that is that is the um the short
[1:02:10] answer for why are we doing this now?
[1:02:12] it's been on the list and the funding
[1:02:14] was allocated from council to
[1:02:18] go forward.
[1:02:19] » Uh I understand why we're doing it now.
[1:02:22] I'm I'm asking the broader question in
[1:02:24] the scope of
[1:02:27] landmarks preservation, historic
[1:02:29] preservation. Why are we doing this? Is
[1:02:32] the city required to do this? Are there
[1:02:36] legal requirements in terms of our
[1:02:39] relationship with the state, with the
[1:02:42] federal government?
[1:02:45] Is it just a matter of interest that we
[1:02:48] do this? Um
[1:02:51] I' I've actually had people when asked
[1:02:54] the question of, well, what properties
[1:02:57] are eligible for a register? I say,
[1:02:59] well, anything that's 50 years or more
[1:03:02] older. Uh people are amazed at that
[1:03:06] because for a lot of people, especially
[1:03:08] in my age group, that's not too long ago
[1:03:10] and those homes aren't very old uh in
[1:03:13] our minds at least. They're also not
[1:03:16] very significant. So I guess what I'm
[1:03:19] looking at is the sort of historical
[1:03:22] context of why we do this.
[1:03:26] » Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think you know
[1:03:28] within the the comprehensive plan and
[1:03:30] the the cultural and historic element
[1:03:33] the the goals and policies within there
[1:03:36] guide and and the work through the comp
[1:03:38] plan the multi-year comp plan work
[1:03:40] guided us to recognize we should look to
[1:03:44] see what is out there. Um, as you said,
[1:03:47] just because a building is old doesn't
[1:03:49] doesn't mean it has any um it may have
[1:03:52] value to certain individuals, but it may
[1:03:54] be one of
[1:03:56] a thousand of the same house, right? Um,
[1:04:00] but utilizing this opportunity to to
[1:04:03] confirm what is out there, what truly
[1:04:06] should rise to, you know, up on the
[1:04:08] list. um to kind of
[1:04:14] get rid of some of the the the white
[1:04:16] noise, the background noise of I think
[1:04:18] the the 9,300 structures that are out
[1:04:21] there that technically meet that
[1:04:23] 50-year, but what how should we focus
[1:04:25] this where we know we have some
[1:04:27] information on several structures
[1:04:29] already.
[1:04:31] um wanting to make sure that we're we're
[1:04:33] fulfilling that commitment within those
[1:04:36] policies of the comp plan to
[1:04:40] uh attempt to at least create a a a
[1:04:44] process or at least a an an inventory
[1:04:46] and a list to work from. Without that,
[1:04:49] we don't know what's out there. It's
[1:04:50] just oh, we might we might find
[1:04:53] something. Um but being proactive is
[1:04:56] really the the best way to look at this.
[1:05:00] And
[1:05:04] do we benefit in our relationships with
[1:05:06] the state
[1:05:08] um historical, archaeological, and uh um
[1:05:13] office uh or the federal uh landmarks
[1:05:18] preservation historic preservation
[1:05:20] offices.
[1:05:22] There's nothing within the the code that
[1:05:25] I'm aware of that identifies there's a
[1:05:27] requirement to do this inventory. Um
[1:05:32] but again it it is intended to be uh a
[1:05:36] helpful step in continuing to understand
[1:05:38] what is out there um what was out there
[1:05:43] and how does that help inform
[1:05:46] how we
[1:05:48] evaluate and and proceed forward with
[1:05:53] historic preservation of of buildings?
[1:05:57] Um is it all connected with the um
[1:06:01] certification of the city um to
[1:06:04] participate as a certified local
[1:06:06] government program?
[1:06:10] I understand we have that uh contract or
[1:06:14] at least um
[1:06:16] recognition from the state um historical
[1:06:19] preservation officer.
[1:06:22] To the best of my knowledge, um, COG
[1:06:24] communities are not required to do
[1:06:27] historic inventories, but are highly
[1:06:29] encouraged and the majority end up doing
[1:06:31] historic inventories as COG grants can
[1:06:33] be used to pay for that. Um, and also,
[1:06:36] um, it just adds to the repertoire of
[1:06:37] knowledge that a community has.
[1:06:42] Thank you both. I think you have covered
[1:06:44] it well there and I appreciate having in
[1:06:48] the record um because the public is not
[1:06:51] well informed about why we do these
[1:06:54] things and why it's important. So I
[1:06:56] appreciate that
[1:06:59] and uh thank you both
[1:07:02] oops excuse me. Thank you both for your
[1:07:04] presentation. Um are there any other
[1:07:06] questions?
[1:07:09] I also would reiterate I would love to
[1:07:11] see some communication opportunities uh
[1:07:15] before uh spring of 27. Thank you.
[1:07:20] » We will make sure that we stay in
[1:07:22] contact with you and and get in touch
[1:07:23] before 2027, late 2027. Um I don't have
[1:07:27] any questions at this time though I
[1:07:29] think we are really still in the data
[1:07:30] gathering stage. If you guys have
[1:07:32] information that you think would help us
[1:07:34] with this process of of identifying a
[1:07:36] survey population, we would love to
[1:07:40] receive, review,
[1:07:42] have any of that information to help us
[1:07:44] make some decisions. Um,
[1:07:47] that's the only thing that I would
[1:07:48] request is that if you have information
[1:07:50] you think we could use, please share.
[1:07:57] » Very good. Thank you again.
[1:08:01] Thank you. We appreciate the time.
[1:08:07] » Does the city staff have any reports or
[1:08:10] announcements?
[1:08:12] » Only announcement from staff. Uh the two
[1:08:16] new members for the Landmark
[1:08:17] Preservation Board will be um
[1:08:22] sworn in or or approved by council uh
[1:08:27] scheduled to be done on the 14th. So,
[1:08:29] next Tuesday, um it is on on the agenda
[1:08:34] for for them to be um brought into the
[1:08:38] board. And so, they would they would
[1:08:40] join us uh in September for the next
[1:08:43] regularly scheduled meeting. We don't
[1:08:46] have any items currently on the agenda
[1:08:48] for the September meeting. Um if the
[1:08:51] board has any items that you would like
[1:08:52] to include, you can let staff know. Um
[1:08:57] it's a it's a a ways out, but uh um
[1:09:02] yeah, we just don't we don't have
[1:09:04] anything on on the list at this point.
[1:09:08] Thank you.
[1:09:14] Does any board member have anything to
[1:09:17] report or directly related to official
[1:09:19] business of the board? uh directly
[1:09:22] related to historic preservation efforts
[1:09:24] in the city of both or our future
[1:09:26] agenda.
[1:09:36] Um not seeing any hands here. Um I do
[1:09:41] have a couple of things um
[1:09:44] in terms of um just my taking over as
[1:09:48] the chair. Um, I I will be assuming uh
[1:09:53] the responsibilities uh to coordinate
[1:09:56] the creation of the agenda um as
[1:09:59] stipulated in our bylaws uh for the
[1:10:01] meeting. Um and uh adding any items that
[1:10:06] um other board members uh may suggest.
[1:10:10] Um, I uh may take the prerogative uh
[1:10:14] under the bylaws uh to call special
[1:10:18] meetings um as we work toward looking at
[1:10:21] the code and provisions of the Landmarks
[1:10:24] Preservation Board. Um
[1:10:30] uh
[1:10:33] at this point um I will simply just say
[1:10:36] that I hope to create uh working with
[1:10:39] staff u a number of uh subcommittees or
[1:10:43] task force that would reach out to uh
[1:10:46] the planning commission, the arts
[1:10:49] commission, um the um
[1:10:54] both historic
[1:10:56] uh museum board um and possibly others
[1:11:00] as suggested. Um so that we have a
[1:11:03] working group to communicate more
[1:11:05] effectively with these uh organizations
[1:11:08] whose efforts uh uh directly uh affect
[1:11:13] um historic preservation in the city of
[1:11:16] both.
[1:11:22] Uh would any board member like to make a
[1:11:25] motion to adjurnn?
[1:11:28] Uh I would accept a motion to adjurnn.
[1:11:35] Vicki
[1:11:37] see your hand up.
[1:11:46] » Hand works and I've been trying to get
[1:11:47] it to work all evening. Oh,
[1:11:49] » Sorry. Um I move that witcher
[1:11:54] Is there a second?
[1:11:56] » I will second.
[1:12:10] Uh we'll uh we'll take a vote on that
[1:12:13] then. Uh member Thomas I.
[1:12:16] Uh
[1:12:19] member Musker
[1:12:22] » I
[1:12:23] » And member SPI
[1:12:27] » I
[1:12:29] » Despite a quorum we are adjourned
[1:12:32] for lack of a quorum. Thank you all.